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Dhyan Kaise Karein, How to Meditate

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Dhyan Kaise Karein, “How to Meditate”, Bombay 29 May 1976. I told you at Dadar how, in Sahaj Yoga, you first go into the state of tadatmya (oneness with the Divine). After the tadatmya one can attain the stage of samipya (Nearness to God) and then salokya (Companionship with God). But on achieving tadatmya, a person’s interest itself changes. On achieving the state of tadatmya, due to his experiences, a person immediately doesn’t desire to go down into the state of salokya and samipya. That means, when vibrations start flowing into your hands and when you feel the Kundalini of others and can raise their Kundalini, then your attention goes towards watching the Kundalini of others and understanding your own. You want to be alert about your chakras and understand other’s chakras also. If you look up towards the sky, even if there are clouds, you will see many types of Kundalinis, because now your attention has gone to Kundalini. Whatever you want to know about Kundalini, whatever you want to see, whatever desires you have, these will be revealed to you. Your interest in Kundalini grows and all other interests disappear by themselves. You can understand it like this: as you enter into adulthood, leaving behind the childhood, you have the interests of your adult life: your job, business, wife, family; you take interest only in these and all other interests drop off, old experiences fade away and your attention goes towards new experiences. Or you can understand it this way: a person who was not interested in music, and somehow he has become interested in classical music, then he is not going to enjoy any other non-classical music concert. Your condition in Sahaj Yoga should also be similar. Your other habits and interests are acquired gradually and intentionally developed and thus those interests become deeply imbibed in you. Sahaj Yoga has brought about a complete transformation in you. You have come into a state of new awareness. You can now feel the vibrations and the Kundalini of others. You can give Realisation to many people. You have cured thousands of people. You have entered into a new power and you are nourished by it. But, in doing all this, there is only one shortcoming, and that is that you have not made any effort and everything has happened by itself, effortlessly. Perhaps that’s the reason why, even though many people receive vibrations in Sahaj Yoga and also rise to a very high state, their attention never stabilises on Paramatma, Atma, or Kundalini and it repeatedly goes towards wrong things. You asked me, “What is to be done after getting Realisation?” After Realisation you have to give. It is absolutely necessary to give after receiving your Realisation, otherwise it has no meaning. And while giving, only one small point, must be kept in mind that - with this body, this mind (manas), this intellect (buddhi), that means the whole personality, with which you are giving such an unrivalled thing, that itself should be very beautiful. Your body should be very clean. There should be no disease in it. Perhaps there may be many Sahaj Yogis having diseases. Before coming to Sahaj Yoga they must be getting worried and wishing that the disease should be somehow cured. But after Realisation the attention does not go onto your sickness and you start saying, “It will be alright, does not matter.” But this is wrong. Whatever may be your problem, even if it’s very minor, you can cure yourself by placing your hand on that spot. You can keep your physical side very clean. There is not much to be done: just meditate and keep yourself clean, keep your physical side clean. However, for you I have told you one important thing. As it is said that everyone must go to bathroom and clean oneself after getting up in the morning, similarly, for Sahaj Yogis, it is extremely important to do footsoaking for at least five minutes before going to bed. However highly evolved you may be, and even if you may not be getting caught, but it doesn’t matter: you must do footsoaking for at least five minutes. Even I do footsoaking sometimes, so that my Sahaj Yogis will imbibe this habit. It’s a very good habit. All Sahaj Yogis must do footsoaking for at least for five minutes every day. All Sahaj Yogis should light a lamp before the photograph, apply sindur, put your hands dip their feet in the water and sit in this fashion, opening out both the palms towards the photograph. If you do this, more than half of your problems would be solved automatically. Whatever happens, it is not difficult to spare five minutes. All should sit like this before going to sleep. That will stop more than half of your catches. We must also get up early in the morning. Our Sahaj Yoga is a daytime activity, not of night. So one must sleep early at night. I am not asking you to sleep at 6pm, but by 10pm all must go to sleep. You should not stay awake after 10. You must get up early in the morning. In the morning, after getting up early and taking your bath, one must sit for meditation. In the morning one must sit for meditation. Like, in our country, we have been getting up early in the morning and washing our mouths since ages and have been doing it all our lives. In the same way all Sahaj Yogis must get up early and meditate in the morning. It is a question forming a habit. But I have seen that, for many, it is very difficult to get up early at 4am or 5am. There is reason for that. I have done in-depth study about human beings. It is very joyful to study them. It is very interesting to see how a human being runs away from himself and argues against himself. It is quite interesting to see how he gives explanations about himself and makes himself an object of ridicule. Some people tell me, “Mother we cannot get up early in the morning.” I say, “When did you go to sleep last night?” “at midnight. But I had decided Mother, that I would get up at 4 o’clock.” That is impossible! You must somehow sleep early one day to get up early next morning. Then you will also fall asleep early that day, you will not be able to keep awake . You do that for two or three days and your body will get used to it. When you get up early in the morning your receptivity is more. Not only that, at that early hour in the world also extremely beautiful….(sound of the tape recorder - So Mother says in Marathi « This is a machine so it is normal. But it happens sometimes to human beings also. Suddenly he gets flare up without any reason »)…So from the point of view of the body I have told you. And also that one must meditate in the morning. Now how to meditate? Think about it. How to meditate early in the morning? First, bow down in your heart; humble down yourself. If someone thinks that he has achieved a lot or, “I am a very big saint,” then know that he is a gone case; he is about to go out of Sahaj Yoga. One should ask permission and sit peacefully before the photograph with palms spread out and with great humility one must bow towards one’s heart. One has to ask for forgiveness repeatedly. So, even at that time, one must ask for forgiveness that, “O God, if we have committed any mistake, please forgive us and take us into meditation.” Then we pray. We should forgive all those who have done any harm to us and if we had harmed anyone then, “Please forgive us Lord.” At this point bring very holy feelings in your heart and then go into meditation and meditate with your eyes closed. Now, one should not ask, “For how many minutes?” It is very wrong to ask such questions. Whether you meditate for five minutes or ten minutes, for those five or ten minutes one must meditate with complete concentration. Humbly bow down and meditate. But before meditation, try to understand it very carefully. Before meditating give a bandhan to the place where you are going to sit for meditation. Give yourself a bandhan. Give your body a bandhan. Seven times give your body a bandhan. Give that place a bandhan. Give bandhan to my photograph. This is not be done in a mechanical way, like many people do, but with full concentration and shraddha (faith) one must give bandhan in complete silence, as if one is doing a puja. It should not happen like in a puja where people say « bring this, bring that….. » After that, give your mana (mind) a bandhan. Now where is the mana? You have never asked me, “Mother, where is the mana?” Mana is here, it starts from here. Meaning you must give a good bandhan to Vishuddhi and Agnya chakras. Mana has to be given a bandhan. While giving bandhan one must have this thought that, “O Lord, let us remain in your bandhan and nothing untoward may happen to us.” Bow down with great humility. At that time, just assume that you are in the witness state and detached from everything. We are Nirmal pure (Nirmal). Just make yourself detached from everything and meditate. If you try this daily, it will become a habit. With deep faith one must meditate early in the morning: maybe for ten minutes or half an hour, it does not matter. While meditating, do not move your hands. Just watch the photograph and slowly close your eyes while meditating, and do not move your hands or feet. At that time, whichever chakra is having an imbalance, it can be corrected by just watching it because, as I have said, Divine vibrations are more in the morning. Now, after having purified your chakras, meditate on your Atma tattwa (essence of spirit). Take your attention to your Spirit. Nobody has ever asked me, “Mother where is Atma ?” Atma is in our heart but its seat is on our Sahasrara. That is why I had said that: bow down to your heart and take your attention to your Sahasrara and be surrendered to your Spirit. With thought, be surrendered towards the Spirit. What is the essence of Atma tattwa? Atma tattwa is purity. One should say, complete, nirmal, purity. Take your attention towards that. That is completely detached. It is not attached to anything. Because you are clinging on to certain things, you are away from your Spirit. Meditate on Atma tattwa. And this Atma tattwa is love. Meditate on this. It is a very Great thought – Atma tattwa is love. Many religions have established in this world, but nobody has been able to describe love in any of those religions. Because of this there have been many inversions in them. Love cannot be defined, but love is that power that is flowing from your hands. This is the chetana that people know as awareness, but they do not know that this is love. They comprehend ‘awareness’ as any other power like electricity. But, no, Atma tattwa is love. By saying one word, ‘love’, you are liberated from many bondages. Whatever is false, untruth, is against love. Even if you are scolding someone and telling them about Truth, you are loving him. You yourself have become love, that’s why by just meditating on Prem tattwa you can get into Atma tattwa. While meditating do not get stuck into any one thought. But now you can say that, “I am that Prem tattwa. I am that Atma tattwa. I am that power of God Almighty.” You can say like that. This way, by just saying two or three times you will feel blessed. Because you are saying the Truth, vibrations start flowing from your being with great force. Now what should be done in day to day life? In your daily life, you must know that the power within you is of Prem tattwa. Whatever you do, are you doing it in love or you are just trying to show off that you are a great Sahaj Yogi? If I say something to anybody or if I get angry with someone, then I notice that he speaks against me to other Sahaj Yogis and then he asks me, “Why have I lost my vibrations?” If you are indulging in such foolishness then it is better that you leave Sahaj Yoga. Only those who are desirous of getting something can stay in Sahaj Yoga. He does not have the right to give anything. He only has to accept it from me. If he wants to give then, when his powers are developed then it would be very good. But you can give only when you are able to absorb. Therefore first learn to absorb. Try to see your shortcomings. In our day to day activities we should see what are we giving ? Are we giving love. Are we standing in love? We fight with everyone, we argue with everyone, we trouble others and we think we are Sahaj Yogis. We should not live with this false impression. We should live with ourselves like a mirror, meaning we should watch ourselves all the time. Like, if something is sticking on to my forehead and you inform me about that, I can wipe it. In the same way you should watch yourself and wipe off anything that is sticking to you. In your day to day life, you should live a brighter life. There should be radiance on your face. Your behaviour has to be beautiful. Love should flow from you. If you are an individual without love then you are not a Sahaj Yogi, you should know this. You have become a Sahaj Yogi without any desire for it and without proving your worth and I am tolerating you and you are sitting here today. If you cannot improve then please forgive me and stop coming to Sahaj Yoga. Such people will themselves go out of Sahaj Yoga in a few days time. Those who are devoid of love, those who think they are highly evolved, are useless for Sahaj Yoga. Such people should go to other kugurus (false gurus) and get kicked by them and stay with them. Here in Sahaj Yoga you have come to become the instrument of God Almighty. You should be extremely humble, extremely humble. You should give up ego completely. Others say that one has to take sanyasa (renunciation), I say first take sanyas from your ego, your anger. By taking out your clothes you have not renounced anything. Renunciation means giving up anger, lust, attachment, pride, greed, jealousy etc.; giving up these shadripus (six enemies) is called sanyasa – sanyast. We are not talking about superficial renunciation. You should be extremely loving and peaceful while dealing with others. You should be talking about Sahaj Yoga with your family, children and friends. Change your friends and acquaintances. Sahaj Yogis are your real relations. You should talk to them. They will tell you that we have entered into a new world, we have new vibratory awareness. Whenever you travel anywhere - like someone was telling me that he has come from Rahuri - just as we carry our personal items while travelling, we also carry teertha. The water vibrated by my feet is called teertha, also other vibrated items like kumkum etc. If we find any sick person on the way, we give him teertha to drink. If someone talks about religion we show him Mother’s photograph and tell him about Mother and that She can give you your Self-realisation. Whoever they meet on the way they talk about Sahaj Yoga. They apply kumkum to some and ask them how they feel, they show them my photo and talk about me and tell them that they can get their Realisation from this photograph. All the time they only talk of Sahaj Yoga and only think how they can manifest Sahaj Yoga. By doing this you shall find your depth. There are also some people who come to Sahaj Yoga like they visit a temple and going away , and because of this they get adverse results. You see people sitting here, who used to be very sick earlier, but ever since they have received their Realisation they have never fallen ill. They have never visited a doctor after their Realisation, they have never taken any medicine either and there are some old people too, who always used to visit doctors and hospitals that have stopped doing so since taking to Sahaj Yoga. There are many such examples. Not only this, but they have also helped others. The reason is that whatever is required to be done as a Sahaj Yogi for one’s health, they kept on doing that and got cured. You should all meet each other. Among yourselves, you are all doctors and are all patients. Just as doctors do not take fees from one another, in the same way, you also do not take any fees when you help one another. You should treat (cure) each other and discuss among yourself and you should not mind. If someone tells you that your Sahasrara is caught up then it is a matter of shame because getting caught at Sahasrara means being against me; then you should ask others to correct you and try to find out how you got caught up. You should never have anything to do with any person who is criticising Sahaj Yoga. If you do that your Sahasrara will catch. You must tell such a person to stay away and should close your ears. Do not talk to him and advise him not to talk to you. Tell him that you have met him because of Mother and that he should shut up. If you keep talking to such a person then your Sahasrara gets caught up followed by other chakras and after a few days you will come to me and say, “Mother I have got cancer.” One or two persons had it, but now they are cured. You must know that cancer is a disease of the Sahasrara. If you have to be free from cancer then keep your Sahasrara pure. If your Sahasrara starts getting caught up then know that it is the beginning of cancer. You should always keep your Sahasrara clean because if you do not do so then after a few years you will come and say that you have developed cancer. Then why not keep yourself clean from now? Not only that, why not work for Sahaj Yoga for which we are in the Kingdom of God? Tomorrow, when such people are chosen from this world who belong to God’s kingdom, then you shall be the chosen ones. Why not put our efforts in this direction ? We are just wasting our time meeting friends, having food with relations, criticising others. Let’s leave all that and improve our ways. We should lead a life that will be remembered for that. Let’s think like that. Nobody should think that he is left with very few years in life and it is difficult to achieve it now. You do not die. When you die you are then reborn and this goes on. The why not come out of this cycle (of births) in a year’s time - or if you desire you can do that in a week’s time - you only have to decide should do something special with your live once, just once so that you can be immensely benefited by Sahaj Yoga You should be surrendered completely. It is not necessary that you touch my feet but should be surrendered to me from your heart. Some people touch my feet but are not surrendered in their heart. One has to be completely surrendered to me from within. If you are completely surrendered from within your Kundalini remains established on your Atma tattwa just like the flame of a lamp, without any flickering. But one must remain surrendered for that. In the surrendered state one experiences Joy, Bliss and God-realisation. Sahaj Yoga is an incomparable, unique & special thing. Please try to understand this and be committed to it. The more you identify yourself with it , the more your Atma tattwa shines. Nothing is important, except that you yourself become the Light. Those who are indulging in nonsensensical activities all the time are suggested to leave us These things are not for them. I am telling you one last time. Please take note of it and act on it thoughtfully. Within us lie many evil tendencies, and within us lies much negativity. They influence us to do evil deeds. To act under their influence is like becoming a Satan yourself. Now it is up to you to either become a Satan or become God. Now if you wish to become Satan then it is a different thing and I am not your Guru for that. But if you wish to become God then I am your Guru. But you should save yourself from becoming Satan. First thing to note is that on the night of new-moon and full-moon always there are dangers on your left and right sides. Especially on these two days, the nights of new moon and full moon, you should sleep very early at night. After singing bhajans, bow down before the photograph, meditate, and keep your attention on Sahasrara and go to sleep after taking bandhan. That means you go into the Unconscious the moment your attention is at your Sahasrara. There, give yourself a bandhan and you are saved. During these two nights it should be observed particularly. The night of new moon, you should meditate especially on Shri Shiva. You should sleep after meditating on Shri Shiva, that is the Spirit, and completely surrender yourself to Him. On the night of full moon, you should meditate on Shri Rama and surrender yourself to Him for protection. The meaning of the word Ramchandra is ‘creativity’. You should completely dedicate your creative powers to Him. Thus you have to take special care of yourself on these two days. However, on the seventh day (saptami) and ninth day (navami) of the Lunar fortnights you have my special blessings. Remember that you are specially blessed by me on these two days. Make some special arrangements so that you can have proper meditation on these days. You must do collective meditation only at those places which have been purified by my feet (where I have physically visited). You should not be doing collective meditation at your home by inviting someone. Even with your relations also you should not be doing collective meditation. You should be doing collective meditation only wherever I have told you to do so. You should also not be discussing about Sahaj Yoga for a very long time at such a place where I have not put my feet because at such places, bhoots start talking through you and you start fighting amongst yourselves. I am saying this because even now you are not free from the clutches of bhoots. You are not able to know when the bhoot enters into your being and takes over. This is how you should protect yourself. And whenever you are going out, leaving your home, give yourself a bandhan. Always be in the bandhan. If you come across someone having a catch on Agnya, give him a bandhan, even with your attention it can be done. Never argue with a person who’s caught on Agnya; it is foolishness to do so. Can you ever argue with a person who is a bhoot who is caught on Agnya? Do not argue with a person who is caught on Agnya, never. Just agree with him for whatever he says. Go on saying, “Yes, yes, you are correct.” Because whenever we have a mad person we say, “Yes, yes whatever you are saying is correct.” You should neither argue with a person who is caught on Vishuddhi. You should also not be arguing with a person who is caught on Vishuddhi. And never go near a person who is caught on Sahasrara! Have no contact with him. Tell him to improve his Sahasrara first. You should not be hesitant in telling him, “Your Sahasrara is caught. Put it right.” Sahasrara should be kept clean. If anyone has started catching on Sahasrara, then he should immediately take help from other Sahaj Yogis, “Do something and clear my Sahasrara!” If someone who is caught on Sahasrara talks to you, you should tell him, “You are my enemy.” Never talk to him as long as he is caught on Sahasrara. As regards a person caught on Heart, you should help that person, as far as possible. Put bandhan on his heart, put your hand on your heart and take him to the photograph of Shri Mataji. You must take care of the Heart Chakra. Perhaps sometimes one may get a problem on the Heart Chakra. You must also help others to clear their Heart Chakra. But many people have no heart, they are very dry personalities, and you cannot do anything for such dry persons even if you wish to, so you should leave them alone. However, if they come to you and ask for your help then advise them to first leave Hatha Yoga, and then ask them to leave other unimportant things in life. They should be asked to learn to love others and if they cannot love human beings then they should at least start loving dogs or cats. Love everyone, love children. Never be aggressive to children. In fact one should never be aggressive to anyone. Never hurt anyone. Nobody should beat the children. No Sahaj Yogi should ever beat their children with their hands. Never beat others with your hands, never. Never get angry with anyone. Particularly Sahaj Yogis should never get angry. Instead of getting annoyed they should improve everything tactfully and intelligently. Never get angry. You must pray for how the day to day life of a Sahaj Yogi should be. One should think about it. I have told you in many ways. Similarly this organisation that we have of Anant Jeevan (Life Eternal Trust), for which eight to ten people should get together and consider what should be done. You must all contribute to it and should give your services for it. All those who still haven’t given their names should give them to Mr. Pradhan. And we are going to start a quarterly publication in which all my letters, messages, lectures will be printed and, apart from that, if you have any experiences to be shared then do it so that these can also be printed in it. Whatever experiences we get from all over India, some of them would be printed in that. Therefore if you have any experiences keep writing to them. Apart from that if you can write an article on Sahaj Yoga please write and send it for printing. This way there shall be a quarterly in which there will be some articles in Hindi, some in Marathi, some in English, and some in Gujarati. So we shall be starting printing either together in all these languages or one by one. Everything happens slowly in Sahaj Yoga. For that you must contribute, give your subscription and take advantage of it. If you have any questions on this then raise them and I shall answer all of them together. We are first starting a quarterly which later be a monthly and then weekly and finally daily. But for now it shall be a quarterly publication. If you have questions, any problems then please send a letter in my name to Mr Pradhan. Please don’t write many letters to me as I do not have time. After that, do not say, “Mother has written to him and not to me.” Do not talk in such foolish ways. Sahaj Yoga is not for such people. You know that your Mother loves you all equally. For some reasons I may not write to some people. Sometimes She writes to you and sometimes not. Sometimes I cannot write to some persons though I wish very much to write to them. But they never mind. And now I am not going to care about those who feel bad if I don’t write to them. I have cared enough for such people and the result is that those evil people have remained that way and never improved and we have been troubled. All those with whom I have been patient thinking that one day they shall improve, have not shown any progress and have remained wicked. They have not transformed even a wee bit and we have been troubled because I had decided that no human being shall be destroyed in this Kali Yuga. I shall not torture any human being. I have given him complete freedom to go either to hell or towards God. I have given you complete freedom. If someone wants to go to hell then I say, “Take faster steps towards it,” so that I will be freed from you. That arrangement also I have done. If you wish to go to hell then I have made arrangements for that also. But if you wish to go to the feet of God, that also is arranged for you. So I am telling all those who have troubled me, disturbed me or tormented me, that I have been patient enough and now if anyone troubles me or disturbs me then I have to say very clearly to such persons that, “Now we have no relation with you and that you should leave Sahaj Yoga.” Such people, while going out of Sahaj Yoga, show their true colours and disturb us again. Their true nature is exposed. But I have to tell you that you should think about your own benevolence. There is no need to follow them and go to hell. They have met you in Sahaja yoga and now it is time to seperate from them. Think about your own well-being. There is no need to argue with anyone. They shall remain as they were earlier. They are very difficult to get transformed because they are evil. Those who are good, they may commit mistakes but get transformed very easily. Those who are evil are impossible to transform, I have discovered. I have tried enough but such people shall remain as they were. You can never transform them. They shall never have wisdom. That’s why there is no need to argue with such people. I have to request you, not to have any kind of relationship with such people. Slowly they shall be out of Sahaj Yoga. They are here because they want to destroy whatever spiritual accent you have accomplished. You should save yourself from such people. In Sahaja yoga you have received your vibrations. There was a person who wanted to sell us a house, I went to his house and gave him realisation. Afterwards another person who went to him and told him that in the group of Shri Mataji (Sahaja yoga) there are all dishonest people. I had given him realisation and he felt the vibrations but he did not want to believe me. He told me « Mataji I cannot sell you the house because I was told (bad things about your group) ». So I said you can sell it to the person who gave you this information. Now nobody is ready to buy his house and he is incurring a loss. He calls me everyday asking me to buy the house and that he is sorry. I said now you sell it to the other person only. Finished. You have the complete freedom. He feels that I am unhappy with him. For me it’s not the question of being unhappy. I told him you sell the house who (mis)informed you. So all those who think they are very intelligent, if they want to go to hell I can issue them a ticket to hell. It is all under my control. All those desirous of going to hell can have the ticket from me and I am willing to give it. Those who want to go the Kingdom of God I can also issue their ticket. A ticket clerk can issue ticket for any destination, but the ticket clerk will inform you that if you go this way there will be a derailment and immediately on reaching there your train will break. There is no return from there. You cannot come back from there. A return ticket is not available from there. That’s why I am informing you. But I do not have to say much about hell, as you know all about it. I have told you all this so that you can keep your own instrument clean and always keep your gaze upward. You should not gaze downwards but upward. You have to rise higher. Never look down. You have to rise higher. I am with you at every step, at every place, everywhere. Wherever you are, at whichever place you are, I am with you, completely: in person, in Spirit, and by my word, completely. This is my promise to you. But those who wish to go to hell will also be sucked down. That is also arranged so be careful. Take to the higher life. Now I am going to London and when I come back I want to see that each one of you should have given Realisation to at least ten persons. Call others, talk to them about Sahaj Yoga openly. Don’t feel shy. Tell them about Sahaj Yoga how truthful it is. It is the religion of Truth. It is real. Gather people, talk to them wherever you find them. Every one of you should take the photograph and each one should give photo in ten homes. It is a very good way that each person contributes to take ten photographs. Give these photos to ten such homes where there will be respect towards the photo, where it will be worshipped and where Sahaj Yoga can be accepted. By this way, only, we can spread Sahaj Yoga. We do not want to have much publicity because whenever we do publicity then dirty people are also attracted and the good people do not come. Therefore it is better to serve Sahaj Yoga all the time and make yourself (spiritually) wealthy by it. May God bless you! My complete blessings are with you. My heart, mind, body are always engaged in your service. I am not away from you even for a moment. Whenever you will remember me anywhere just by closing your eyes , at that moment I shall come to you with all my powers, “Shankha, chakra, gada, padma, Garuda lay siddhari”. It’ll not take even a moment, but you will have to be mine. This is very important. If you are mine then it’ll not take even a moment to be with you. May God bless you all and give you wisdom.

Dhyan Kaise Karein, “How to Meditate”, Bombay 29 May 1976. I told you at Dadar how, in Sahaj Yoga, you first go into the state of tadatmya (oneness with the Divine). After the tadatmya one can attain the stage of samipya (Nearness to God) and then salokya (Companionship with God). But on achieving tadatmya, a person’s interest itself changes. On achieving the state of tadatmya, due to his experiences, a person immediately doesn’t desire to go down into the state of salokya and samipya. That means, when vibrations start flowing into your hands and when you feel the Kundalini of others and can raise their Kundalini, then your attention goes towards watching the Kundalini of others and understanding your own. You want to be alert about your chakras and understand other’s chakras also. If you look up towards the sky, even if there are clouds, you will see many types of Kundalinis, because now your attention has gone to Kundalini. Whatever you want to know about Kundalini, whatever you want to see, whatever desires you have, these will be revealed to you. Your interest in Kundalini grows and all other interests disappear by themselves. You can understand it like this: as you enter into adulthood, leaving behind the childhood, you have the interests of your adult life: your job, business, wife, family; you take interest only in these and all other interests drop off, old experiences fade away and your attention goes towards new experiences. Or you can understand it this way: a person who was not interested in music, and somehow he has become interested in classical music, then he is not going to enjoy any other non-classical music concert. Your condition in Sahaj Yoga should also be similar. Your other habits and interests are acquired gradually and intentionally developed and thus those interests become deeply imbibed in you. Sahaj Yoga has brought about a complete transformation in you. You have come into a state of new awareness. You can now feel the vibrations and the Kundalini of others. You can give Realisation to many people. You have cured thousands of people. You have entered into a new power and you are nourished by it. But, in doing all this, there is only one shortcoming, and that is that you have not made any effort and everything has happened by itself, effortlessly. Perhaps that’s the reason why, even though many people receive vibrations in Sahaj Yoga and also rise to a very high state, their attention never stabilises on Paramatma, Atma, or Kundalini and it repeatedly goes towards wrong things. You asked me, “What is to be done after getting Realisation?” After Realisation you have to give. It is absolutely necessary to give after receiving your Realisation, otherwise it has no meaning. And while giving, only one small point, must be kept in mind that - with this body, this mind (manas), this intellect (buddhi), that means the whole personality, with which you are giving such an unrivalled thing, that itself should be very beautiful. Your body should be very clean. There should be no disease in it. Perhaps there may be many Sahaj Yogis having diseases. Before coming to Sahaj Yoga they must be getting worried and wishing that the disease should be somehow cured. But after Realisation the attention does not go onto your sickness and you start saying, “It will be alright, does not matter.” But this is wrong. Whatever may be your problem, even if it’s very minor, you can cure yourself by placing your hand on that spot. You can keep your physical side very clean. There is not much to be done: just meditate and keep yourself clean, keep your physical side clean. However, for you I have told you one important thing. As it is said that everyone must go to bathroom and clean oneself after getting up in the morning, similarly, for Sahaj Yogis, it is extremely important to do footsoaking for at least five minutes before going to bed. However highly evolved you may be, and even if you may not be getting caught, but it doesn’t matter: you must do footsoaking for at least five minutes. Even I do footsoaking sometimes, so that my Sahaj Yogis will imbibe this habit. It’s a very good habit. All Sahaj Yogis must do footsoaking for at least for five minutes every day. All Sahaj Yogis should light a lamp before the photograph, apply sindur, put your hands dip their feet in the water and sit in this fashion, opening out both the palms towards the photograph. If you do this, more than half of your problems would be solved automatically. Whatever happens, it is not difficult to spare five minutes. All should sit like this before going to sleep. That will stop more than half of your catches. We must also get up early in the morning. Our Sahaj Yoga is a daytime activity, not of night. So one must sleep early at night. I am not asking you to sleep at 6pm, but by 10pm all must go to sleep. You should not stay awake after 10. You must get up early in the morning. In the morning, after getting up early and taking your bath, one must sit for meditation. In the morning one must sit for meditation. Like, in our country, we have been getting up early in the morning and washing our mouths since ages and have been doing it all our lives. In the same way all Sahaj Yogis must get up early and meditate in the morning. It is a question forming a habit. But I have seen that, for many, it is very difficult to get up early at 4am or 5am. There is reason for that. I have done in-depth study about human beings. It is very joyful to study them. It is very interesting to see how a human being runs away from himself and argues against himself. It is quite interesting to see how he gives explanations about himself and makes himself an object of ridicule. Some people tell me, “Mother we cannot get up early in the morning.” I say, “When did you go to sleep last night?” “at midnight. But I had decided Mother, that I would get up at 4 o’clock.” That is impossible! You must somehow sleep early one day to get up early next morning. Then you will also fall asleep early that day, you will not be able to keep awake . You do that for two or three days and your body will get used to it. When you get up early in the morning your receptivity is more. Not only that, at that early hour in the world also extremely beautiful….(sound of the tape recorder - So Mother says in Marathi « This is a machine so it is normal. But it happens sometimes to human beings also. Suddenly he gets flare up without any reason »)…So from the point of view of the body I have told you. And also that one must meditate in the morning. Now how to meditate? Think about it. How to meditate early in the morning? First, bow down in your heart; humble down yourself. If someone thinks that he has achieved a lot or, “I am a very big saint,” then know that he is a gone case; he is about to go out of Sahaj Yoga. One should ask permission and sit peacefully before the photograph with palms spread out and with great humility one must bow towards one’s heart. One has to ask for forgiveness repeatedly. So, even at that time, one must ask for forgiveness that, “O God, if we have committed any mistake, please forgive us and take us into meditation.” Then we pray. We should forgive all those who have done any harm to us and if we had harmed anyone then, “Please forgive us Lord.” At this point bring very holy feelings in your heart and then go into meditation and meditate with your eyes closed. Now, one should not ask, “For how many minutes?” It is very wrong to ask such questions. Whether you meditate for five minutes or ten minutes, for those five or ten minutes one must meditate with complete concentration. Humbly bow down and meditate. But before meditation, try to understand it very carefully. Before meditating give a bandhan to the place where you are going to sit for meditation. Give yourself a bandhan. Give your body a bandhan. Seven times give your body a bandhan. Give that place a bandhan. Give bandhan to my photograph. This is not be done in a mechanical way, like many people do, but with full concentration and shraddha (faith) one must give bandhan in complete silence, as if one is doing a puja. It should not happen like in a puja where people say « bring this, bring that….. » After that, give your mana (mind) a bandhan. Now where is the mana? You have never asked me, “Mother, where is the mana?” Mana is here, it starts from here. Meaning you must give a good bandhan to Vishuddhi and Agnya chakras. Mana has to be given a bandhan. While giving bandhan one must have this thought that, “O Lord, let us remain in your bandhan and nothing untoward may happen to us.” Bow down with great humility. At that time, just assume that you are in the witness state and detached from everything. We are Nirmal pure (Nirmal). Just make yourself detached from everything and meditate. If you try this daily, it will become a habit. With deep faith one must meditate early in the morning: maybe for ten minutes or half an hour, it does not matter. While meditating, do not move your hands. Just watch the photograph and slowly close your eyes while meditating, and do not move your hands or feet. At that time, whichever chakra is having an imbalance, it can be corrected by just watching it because, as I have said, Divine vibrations are more in the morning. Now, after having purified your chakras, meditate on your Atma tattwa (essence of spirit). Take your attention to your Spirit. Nobody has ever asked me, “Mother where is Atma ?” Atma is in our heart but its seat is on our Sahasrara. That is why I had said that: bow down to your heart and take your attention to your Sahasrara and be surrendered to your Spirit. With thought, be surrendered towards the Spirit. What is the essence of Atma tattwa? Atma tattwa is purity. One should say, complete, nirmal, purity. Take your attention towards that. That is completely detached. It is not attached to anything. Because you are clinging on to certain things, you are away from your Spirit. Meditate on Atma tattwa. And this Atma tattwa is love. Meditate on this. It is a very Great thought – Atma tattwa is love. Many religions have established in this world, but nobody has been able to describe love in any of those religions. Because of this there have been many inversions in them. Love cannot be defined, but love is that power that is flowing from your hands. This is the chetana that people know as awareness, but they do not know that this is love. They comprehend ‘awareness’ as any other power like electricity. But, no, Atma tattwa is love. By saying one word, ‘love’, you are liberated from many bondages. Whatever is false, untruth, is against love. Even if you are scolding someone and telling them about Truth, you are loving him. You yourself have become love, that’s why by just meditating on Prem tattwa you can get into Atma tattwa. While meditating do not get stuck into any one thought. But now you can say that, “I am that Prem tattwa. I am that Atma tattwa. I am that power of God Almighty.” You can say like that. This way, by just saying two or three times you will feel blessed. Because you are saying the Truth, vibrations start flowing from your being with great force. Now what should be done in day to day life? In your daily life, you must know that the power within you is of Prem tattwa. Whatever you do, are you doing it in love or you are just trying to show off that you are a great Sahaj Yogi? If I say something to anybody or if I get angry with someone, then I notice that he speaks against me to other Sahaj Yogis and then he asks me, “Why have I lost my vibrations?” If you are indulging in such foolishness then it is better that you leave Sahaj Yoga. Only those who are desirous of getting something can stay in Sahaj Yoga. He does not have the right to give anything. He only has to accept it from me. If he wants to give then, when his powers are developed then it would be very good. But you can give only when you are able to absorb. Therefore first learn to absorb. Try to see your shortcomings. In our day to day activities we should see what are we giving ? Are we giving love. Are we standing in love? We fight with everyone, we argue with everyone, we trouble others and we think we are Sahaj Yogis. We should not live with this false impression. We should live with ourselves like a mirror, meaning we should watch ourselves all the time. Like, if something is sticking on to my forehead and you inform me about that, I can wipe it. In the same way you should watch yourself and wipe off anything that is sticking to you. In your day to day life, you should live a brighter life. There should be radiance on your face. Your behaviour has to be beautiful. Love should flow from you. If you are an individual without love then you are not a Sahaj Yogi, you should know this. You have become a Sahaj Yogi without any desire for it and without proving your worth and I am tolerating you and you are sitting here today. If you cannot improve then please forgive me and stop coming to Sahaj Yoga. Such people will themselves go out of Sahaj Yoga in a few days time. Those who are devoid of love, those who think they are highly evolved, are useless for Sahaj Yoga. Such people should go to other kugurus (false gurus) and get kicked by them and stay with them. Here in Sahaj Yoga you have come to become the instrument of God Almighty. You should be extremely humble, extremely humble. You should give up ego completely. Others say that one has to take sanyasa (renunciation), I say first take sanyas from your ego, your anger. By taking out your clothes you have not renounced anything. Renunciation means giving up anger, lust, attachment, pride, greed, jealousy etc.; giving up these shadripus (six enemies) is called sanyasa – sanyast. We are not talking about superficial renunciation. You should be extremely loving and peaceful while dealing with others. You should be talking about Sahaj Yoga with your family, children and friends. Change your friends and acquaintances. Sahaj Yogis are your real relations. You should talk to them. They will tell you that we have entered into a new world, we have new vibratory awareness. Whenever you travel anywhere - like someone was telling me that he has come from Rahuri - just as we carry our personal items while travelling, we also carry teertha. The water vibrated by my feet is called teertha, also other vibrated items like kumkum etc. If we find any sick person on the way, we give him teertha to drink. If someone talks about religion we show him Mother’s photograph and tell him about Mother and that She can give you your Self-realisation. Whoever they meet on the way they talk about Sahaj Yoga. They apply kumkum to some and ask them how they feel, they show them my photo and talk about me and tell them that they can get their Realisation from this photograph. All the time they only talk of Sahaj Yoga and only think how they can manifest Sahaj Yoga. By doing this you shall find your depth. There are also some people who come to Sahaj Yoga like they visit a temple and going away , and because of this they get adverse results. You see people sitting here, who used to be very sick earlier, but ever since they have received their Realisation they have never fallen ill. They have never visited a doctor after their Realisation, they have never taken any medicine either and there are some old people too, who always used to visit doctors and hospitals that have stopped doing so since taking to Sahaj Yoga. There are many such examples. Not only this, but they have also helped others. The reason is that whatever is required to be done as a Sahaj Yogi for one’s health, they kept on doing that and got cured. You should all meet each other. Among yourselves, you are all doctors and are all patients. Just as doctors do not take fees from one another, in the same way, you also do not take any fees when you help one another. You should treat (cure) each other and discuss among yourself and you should not mind. If someone tells you that your Sahasrara is caught up then it is a matter of shame because getting caught at Sahasrara means being against me; then you should ask others to correct you and try to find out how you got caught up. You should never have anything to do with any person who is criticising Sahaj Yoga. If you do that your Sahasrara will catch. You must tell such a person to stay away and should close your ears. Do not talk to him and advise him not to talk to you. Tell him that you have met him because of Mother and that he should shut up. If you keep talking to such a person then your Sahasrara gets caught up followed by other chakras and after a few days you will come to me and say, “Mother I have got cancer.” One or two persons had it, but now they are cured. You must know that cancer is a disease of the Sahasrara. If you have to be free from cancer then keep your Sahasrara pure. If your Sahasrara starts getting caught up then know that it is the beginning of cancer. You should always keep your Sahasrara clean because if you do not do so then after a few years you will come and say that you have developed cancer. Then why not keep yourself clean from now? Not only that, why not work for Sahaj Yoga for which we are in the Kingdom of God? Tomorrow, when such people are chosen from this world who belong to God’s kingdom, then you shall be the chosen ones. Why not put our efforts in this direction ? We are just wasting our time meeting friends, having food with relations, criticising others. Let’s leave all that and improve our ways. We should lead a life that will be remembered for that. Let’s think like that. Nobody should think that he is left with very few years in life and it is difficult to achieve it now. You do not die. When you die you are then reborn and this goes on. The why not come out of this cycle (of births) in a year’s time - or if you desire you can do that in a week’s time - you only have to decide should do something special with your live once, just once so that you can be immensely benefited by Sahaj Yoga You should be surrendered completely. It is not necessary that you touch my feet but should be surrendered to me from your heart. Some people touch my feet but are not surrendered in their heart. One has to be completely surrendered to me from within. If you are completely surrendered from within your Kundalini remains established on your Atma tattwa just like the flame of a lamp, without any flickering. But one must remain surrendered for that. In the surrendered state one experiences Joy, Bliss and God-realisation. Sahaj Yoga is an incomparable, unique & special thing. Please try to understand this and be committed to it. The more you identify yourself with it , the more your Atma tattwa shines. Nothing is important, except that you yourself become the Light. Those who are indulging in nonsensensical activities all the time are suggested to leave us These things are not for them. I am telling you one last time. Please take note of it and act on it thoughtfully. Within us lie many evil tendencies, and within us lies much negativity. They influence us to do evil deeds. To act under their influence is like becoming a Satan yourself. Now it is up to you to either become a Satan or become God. Now if you wish to become Satan then it is a different thing and I am not your Guru for that. But if you wish to become God then I am your Guru. But you should save yourself from becoming Satan. First thing to note is that on the night of new-moon and full-moon always there are dangers on your left and right sides. Especially on these two days, the nights of new moon and full moon, you should sleep very early at night. After singing bhajans, bow down before the photograph, meditate, and keep your attention on Sahasrara and go to sleep after taking bandhan. That means you go into the Unconscious the moment your attention is at your Sahasrara. There, give yourself a bandhan and you are saved. During these two nights it should be observed particularly. The night of new moon, you should meditate especially on Shri Shiva. You should sleep after meditating on Shri Shiva, that is the Spirit, and completely surrender yourself to Him. On the night of full moon, you should meditate on Shri Rama and surrender yourself to Him for protection. The meaning of the word Ramchandra is ‘creativity’. You should completely dedicate your creative powers to Him. Thus you have to take special care of yourself on these two days. However, on the seventh day (saptami) and ninth day (navami) of the Lunar fortnights you have my special blessings. Remember that you are specially blessed by me on these two days. Make some special arrangements so that you can have proper meditation on these days. You must do collective meditation only at those places which have been purified by my feet (where I have physically visited). You should not be doing collective meditation at your home by inviting someone. Even with your relations also you should not be doing collective meditation. You should be doing collective meditation only wherever I have told you to do so. You should also not be discussing about Sahaj Yoga for a very long time at such a place where I have not put my feet because at such places, bhoots start talking through you and you start fighting amongst yourselves. I am saying this because even now you are not free from the clutches of bhoots. You are not able to know when the bhoot enters into your being and takes over. This is how you should protect yourself. And whenever you are going out, leaving your home, give yourself a bandhan. Always be in the bandhan. If you come across someone having a catch on Agnya, give him a bandhan, even with your attention it can be done. Never argue with a person who’s caught on Agnya; it is foolishness to do so. Can you ever argue with a person who is a bhoot who is caught on Agnya? Do not argue with a person who is caught on Agnya, never. Just agree with him for whatever he says. Go on saying, “Yes, yes, you are correct.” Because whenever we have a mad person we say, “Yes, yes whatever you are saying is correct.” You should neither argue with a person who is caught on Vishuddhi. You should also not be arguing with a person who is caught on Vishuddhi. And never go near a person who is caught on Sahasrara! Have no contact with him. Tell him to improve his Sahasrara first. You should not be hesitant in telling him, “Your Sahasrara is caught. Put it right.” Sahasrara should be kept clean. If anyone has started catching on Sahasrara, then he should immediately take help from other Sahaj Yogis, “Do something and clear my Sahasrara!” If someone who is caught on Sahasrara talks to you, you should tell him, “You are my enemy.” Never talk to him as long as he is caught on Sahasrara. As regards a person caught on Heart, you should help that person, as far as possible. Put bandhan on his heart, put your hand on your heart and take him to the photograph of Shri Mataji. You must take care of the Heart Chakra. Perhaps sometimes one may get a problem on the Heart Chakra. You must also help others to clear their Heart Chakra. But many people have no heart, they are very dry personalities, and you cannot do anything for such dry persons even if you wish to, so you should leave them alone. However, if they come to you and ask for your help then advise them to first leave Hatha Yoga, and then ask them to leave other unimportant things in life. They should be asked to learn to love others and if they cannot love human beings then they should at least start loving dogs or cats. Love everyone, love children. Never be aggressive to children. In fact one should never be aggressive to anyone. Never hurt anyone. Nobody should beat the children. No Sahaj Yogi should ever beat their children with their hands. Never beat others with your hands, never. Never get angry with anyone. Particularly Sahaj Yogis should never get angry. Instead of getting annoyed they should improve everything tactfully and intelligently. Never get angry. You must pray for how the day to day life of a Sahaj Yogi should be. One should think about it. I have told you in many ways. Similarly this organisation that we have of Anant Jeevan (Life Eternal Trust), for which eight to ten people should get together and consider what should be done. You must all contribute to it and should give your services for it. All those who still haven’t given their names should give them to Mr. Pradhan. And we are going to start a quarterly publication in which all my letters, messages, lectures will be printed and, apart from that, if you have any experiences to be shared then do it so that these can also be printed in it. Whatever experiences we get from all over India, some of them would be printed in that. Therefore if you have any experiences keep writing to them. Apart from that if you can write an article on Sahaj Yoga please write and send it for printing. This way there shall be a quarterly in which there will be some articles in Hindi, some in Marathi, some in English, and some in Gujarati. So we shall be starting printing either together in all these languages or one by one. Everything happens slowly in Sahaj Yoga. For that you must contribute, give your subscription and take advantage of it. If you have any questions on this then raise them and I shall answer all of them together. We are first starting a quarterly which later be a monthly and then weekly and finally daily. But for now it shall be a quarterly publication. If you have questions, any problems then please send a letter in my name to Mr Pradhan. Please don’t write many letters to me as I do not have time. After that, do not say, “Mother has written to him and not to me.” Do not talk in such foolish ways. Sahaj Yoga is not for such people. You know that your Mother loves you all equally. For some reasons I may not write to some people. Sometimes She writes to you and sometimes not. Sometimes I cannot write to some persons though I wish very much to write to them. But they never mind. And now I am not going to care about those who feel bad if I don’t write to them. I have cared enough for such people and the result is that those evil people have remained that way and never improved and we have been troubled. All those with whom I have been patient thinking that one day they shall improve, have not shown any progress and have remained wicked. They have not transformed even a wee bit and we have been troubled because I had decided that no human being shall be destroyed in this Kali Yuga. I shall not torture any human being. I have given him complete freedom to go either to hell or towards God. I have given you complete freedom. If someone wants to go to hell then I say, “Take faster steps towards it,” so that I will be freed from you. That arrangement also I have done. If you wish to go to hell then I have made arrangements for that also. But if you wish to go to the feet of God, that also is arranged for you. So I am telling all those who have troubled me, disturbed me or tormented me, that I have been patient enough and now if anyone troubles me or disturbs me then I have to say very clearly to such persons that, “Now we have no relation with you and that you should leave Sahaj Yoga.” Such people, while going out of Sahaj Yoga, show their true colours and disturb us again. Their true nature is exposed. But I have to tell you that you should think about your own benevolence. There is no need to follow them and go to hell. They have met you in Sahaja yoga and now it is time to seperate from them. Think about your own well-being. There is no need to argue with anyone. They shall remain as they were earlier. They are very difficult to get transformed because they are evil. Those who are good, they may commit mistakes but get transformed very easily. Those who are evil are impossible to transform, I have discovered. I have tried enough but such people shall remain as they were. You can never transform them. They shall never have wisdom. That’s why there is no need to argue with such people. I have to request you, not to have any kind of relationship with such people. Slowly they shall be out of Sahaj Yoga. They are here because they want to destroy whatever spiritual accent you have accomplished. You should save yourself from such people. In Sahaja yoga you have received your vibrations. There was a person who wanted to sell us a house, I went to his house and gave him realisation. Afterwards another person who went to him and told him that in the group of Shri Mataji (Sahaja yoga) there are all dishonest people. I had given him realisation and he felt the vibrations but he did not want to believe me. He told me « Mataji I cannot sell you the house because I was told (bad things about your group) ». So I said you can sell it to the person who gave you this information. Now nobody is ready to buy his house and he is incurring a loss. He calls me everyday asking me to buy the house and that he is sorry. I said now you sell it to the other person only. Finished. You have the complete freedom. He feels that I am unhappy with him. For me it’s not the question of being unhappy. I told him you sell the house who (mis)informed you. So all those who think they are very intelligent, if they want to go to hell I can issue them a ticket to hell. It is all under my control. All those desirous of going to hell can have the ticket from me and I am willing to give it. Those who want to go the Kingdom of God I can also issue their ticket. A ticket clerk can issue ticket for any destination, but the ticket clerk will inform you that if you go this way there will be a derailment and immediately on reaching there your train will break. There is no return from there. You cannot come back from there. A return ticket is not available from there. That’s why I am informing you. But I do not have to say much about hell, as you know all about it. I have told you all this so that you can keep your own instrument clean and always keep your gaze upward. You should not gaze downwards but upward. You have to rise higher. Never look down. You have to rise higher. I am with you at every step, at every place, everywhere. Wherever you are, at whichever place you are, I am with you, completely: in person, in Spirit, and by my word, completely. This is my promise to you. But those who wish to go to hell will also be sucked down. That is also arranged so be careful. Take to the higher life. Now I am going to London and when I come back I want to see that each one of you should have given Realisation to at least ten persons. Call others, talk to them about Sahaj Yoga openly. Don’t feel shy. Tell them about Sahaj Yoga how truthful it is. It is the religion of Truth. It is real. Gather people, talk to them wherever you find them. Every one of you should take the photograph and each one should give photo in ten homes. It is a very good way that each person contributes to take ten photographs. Give these photos to ten such homes where there will be respect towards the photo, where it will be worshipped and where Sahaj Yoga can be accepted. By this way, only, we can spread Sahaj Yoga. We do not want to have much publicity because whenever we do publicity then dirty people are also attracted and the good people do not come. Therefore it is better to serve Sahaj Yoga all the time and make yourself (spiritually) wealthy by it. May God bless you! My complete blessings are with you. My heart, mind, body are always engaged in your service. I am not away from you even for a moment. Whenever you will remember me anywhere just by closing your eyes , at that moment I shall come to you with all my powers, “Shankha, chakra, gada, padma, Garuda lay siddhari”. It’ll not take even a moment, but you will have to be mine. This is very important. If you are mine then it’ll not take even a moment to be with you. May God bless you all and give you wisdom.

5/29/1976

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Sahaja Yoga Integrates Everyone -May 29th 1976, Mumbai Seminar [English translation from Marathi] You are realized yogis now by Sahaja yoga, and some are going to get their realization now. Many of you know what is Kundalini, what is Kundalini yoga, Different chakras are now working in us. Chakras names and their deities I have given information of all that to all. Not only that but you have taken experiences of it then new seekers if they take information from old yogis then that would be great. Now the question is after getting a realization of what we have to do, this question they ask me all the time. This question is like the, "Mother we have earned money and what do we have to do?" After earning you have to start spending. When you start earning and save the money, or in a bank account you start putting money, and save the money for your future. Now how to spend that I will tell you. Some people use that money in a very nice way. Some people asked, "If we don’t use this account then what will happen?" God has chosen us with love and this is a very big work of the world. Now God has selected us with this great work, and has given us vibrations because of some reason. And we know that because of this Vibration we can bring others into the Kingdom of God, and they can also feel the joy of peace. Not only that but we can be connected with the all-pervading power of God Almighty. Now the question is, "This power is flowing from our hands. If it’s not used then it should not get over. That is the people to insist. Now what we think? That this, the thing has to be done or that thing should not be done?" Those things are not in God’s Kingdom. God’s Kingdom is very at the very highest level. We can’t order that you do this and do that. His Kingdom [Power] is the highest of all. His [God] work is done with Love, depth, and efficient way. Now after receiving vibrations, if you sit nicely with relax and say, "Shri Mataji has given us this great experience, now we feel joyful." If you keep doing that and when I come after 3 or 4 months then you will say, "Shri Mataji we lost our Vibrations" or "We feel burning on our palms. Are there any mistakes have we committed? Have you taken our vibrations?" That’s what they start asking. I want to tell that if you don’t use your Vibrations for people then He [God Almighty] will take Vibrations back. That’s why after receiving vibrations it has to be used. That means people think that Mataji wants us to give everything to Sahaja Yoga, I want to say that you cannot give anything to Sahaja Yoga. What you will give? What do you have, stone and sand? You don’t give anything to Sahaja Yoga. If you give then He [God Almighty] gives you more. From your hand great power is flowing by His Grace and once that power starts flowing then you will know how far you are great. He has made you so capable [abilities] and for that, you don’t receive any Ego. Now we have so many people who have cured others in large numbers, but in their mind, they don’t think that they cured people. If they cured or not, they don’t think if it’s done or not done. Something is going from hand [vibrations]. No one says that, "I have done this and that." Now, whoever is saying that then he will be gone. Whoever is saying that, "It’s happening by me" then he will come down. Then some people ask, "Mataji we have cured so many people, how come our vibrations are gone?" The reason is that you started feeling that you are doing it. Since you are here and with I-ness, with the mindset of Ego and Superego, this was not there because of your realization, it’s taken away. That’s why you felt oneness with God Almighty. Now you are here. Now what you are, you are not that one that you started feeling from beginning. Now you have taken birth at one place [house]. To begin with this are my parents. Secondly, this is my name, then this is my country, then this is my house, then this is our community, this is my caste, etc. These are the misidentifications, which you are not that one. What you are? You are great power of God Almighty, that is a fact. Still, if you are outside thinking that, "I am this and that", then the power of God Almighty won’t get enlightened within you completely. That’s why, "I am not that but I am that", you think in your heart [of higher personality], it means after realization, not before, so There is no point if you say before your realization. That means you are still outside. When you go inside and say, "I am that and other things are nothing", then it will start happening, and whoever will say, that person will get God’s realization. Inside the power is flowing, not only that it flows with tremendous power, then you will receive answers to all your questions. Now, most people ask Mataji, "We came to you and our poverty did not go away." There are so many like that. Now you have come to me, that is not that you are doing a favour to me or God. We have to change our thinking. You and I came here out of our busy schedule. You are not doing any favour to me but you are doing a favour to yourself. You came here and you are benefited greatly. This big thing you have received it, this joy is entered within you. That is the great thing itself that you received it. In that you have not done any favour to God, He blessed you very highly and has given you the wealth of Love. This has not happened in previous lives of anyone, and today these people are sitting in front of me. They are all saints. And these saints were wandering. Now they are having families and now they have settled down and immersed in the supreme. And that’s why this is possible, it looks sahaj. But how come this is happening? It requires big penance from so many past lives! There is a reason that I am also here. How come that you ask these Yogis? I don’t want to say anything but it’s happening! God is ready to give you blessings, ready to give you all the things. He is doing a big favour to you. If come to Him with your wisdom, He will open the doors and say, "Come, come." But still, some people will not go to him. Nothing less for Him, He is ready to give you whatever you ask, but for that, you should deserve that. [It means you have to have a bag to fill it and it has to have that capacity to fill it.] Your thought of taking from Him is different [means it's different of that, "If I have come to God then I have to get gold bracelet", means thinking of getting material things from God]. For God He doesn’t have any importance of gold. For Him gold is just like stones or rocks. He wants to give Nectar to His children; He is the storehouse of Nectar. Would He give you stones or rocks? [Mother is comparing stones with gold or material things.] Nobody received real joy out of material things, it will be of no use. That doesn’t mean that He will give you poverty, it’s not like that. That means what you have you don’t enjoy; what you have, they are their consumable intellect, not yours. Now see, a rich person is crying and poor is also crying. Do we have the power to consume [enjoy] anything small that we have? No! Means when we look at the thing of another person then we think, "Oh, he has a nice thing and I don’t have it." What we have that we don’t see but what he has that we see. Why did you receive [earn] this great thing if you can’t enjoy it? We keep on looking to get one thing, then another one. There is no end to it. The idea of Happiness is coming from God Almighty. He gives you that Joy or Happiness. After that you don’t ask for anything. Your demands are fulfilled. Here His part is over, nothing is seen beyond that. He brings you into such a midpoint. You don’t see anything when you stand on your midpoint that is outside. But when you are under His blessings you are diving in the ocean of Joy. Everything is for Happiness, isn’t it? But do we receive that Happiness? So, when we receive an ocean of Happiness [Joy] from that thing then why would you go to another one? We are asking for only Joy. Whatever we ask that is only thinking of getting Joy. It doesn’t look subtle but it is. Then once you receive that Joy, why you want to look for other things? What a great thing of Sahaja Yoga. I have talked about it a day before yesterday that the power of Sahaja Yoga is tremendous. Once you receive this power of God Almighty then you enter into new Kingdom, and God is the king of that Kingdom himself. You don’t have to say this later that, "Don’t speak in Marathi, don’t speak in Hindi, don’t speak in ten languages [many languages]." You only speak one language, have one kingdom. Unify the whole country! There should be only one United Nations. It happens that way because you all are one, that you have only taken in a way that we are different, or you think it’s given by this form by God. We are different, you are different, and you are all one from inside. That is, it has the power to connect, it is inside to connect. Even the word 'connected' is not right. You are one from inside. You are the only one in infinity, means the power to show that you all are one is awakened. It means Sahaja Yoga is unified and bringing everyone together. This means it integrates everyone, it brings integration to each other. Everyone seems to be doing well. It’s good in this culture, it’s good in that culture. Someone is better in that and the other one is better in another. And that way whatever is good in them it gets integrated. This means there are quarrels around the nations that go away. And person comes and stands at that point where he doesn’t find any difference with others. Now we are all one, means say that this is Self-Actualization. That is one experience, it’s not like lectures. You all are brothers and sisters. How can a mother say like this, how it’s possible? "That’s not right", means you are brothers and sisters think artificially there is no meaning on this. There is no point if it says that forcefully that you are brothers and sisters. You will ask how that can be a possible mother. But after getting into this, you become brothers and sisters. Those relationships are different because now you are not different anymore. Once when this power starts flowing through your hand then you will understand the Sahaja Yoga, where is this and that. Whole attention is on Kundalini. You will not pay attention outside or, what he has, what kind of clothes he wears. Where their Kundalini stops, that they will tell you immediately. Whether he is a child or an adult, when a person is realized then he can see the Kundalini. There are two methods, we have to pay attention to it. On your left side, there is one type of arrangement. And the right side is having other arrangements. Another word: 'left side' is called 'a collective subconscious' or you can say 'collective latent consciousness'. And the 'right side' is called 'supra-conscious' or you can call it as 'super consciousness'. What is the word in Marathi that doesn’t know about the right side? So 'left' is 'dead sub consciousness' and 'right' is 'dead super consciousness'. There is a reason for that. Those who are dead, they also want the place, means people who were lazy and not good for anything, they go on the left side. People who were overworking or ambitious, they go to the right side. People who have gone afterlife, they slowly become small and waiting for the day to their rebirth. Some of them decide on their own, "Where should I take birth, when and who will be my parents?" I am not going to say much about it. But there are some people like that. Some people were insatiable. Those kinds of souls [insatiable] are more here in Kali Yuga. There is a big queue for them. This kind of people are among you and they are close to you. That’s why a person if he goes on the extreme side of both or crosses the limit, it might happen that’s why some gurus are doing these kinds of wrong things. They will push you here or another side. If he goes on extreme then he will be gone completely another side. That’s why that kind of person is among one of you. For example, Mahesh Yogi he takes to the right side. Now what happens if you go too much on the right side? Dead people who were right-sided or insatiable [those desires did not get fulfilled] they enter into you. They have the kept their names from God’s name. Now see their cunningness. They will tell you to take Shiva’s name, Rama’s name. You will think, "I am taking God’s name." But you have to think that God is not your servant, that you will call him like this. What right [authority] do you have to call Him? You are not authorized to call God. If you call like this then some servant kind of people only will come to you. They might be on top of you or they are like learning from you. So, this kind of people who have come are of supra-conscious people. With their entry [supra conscious people] everything will be changed for you. Your blood count will change, your lifestyle will change, the reason that they have taken yours in charge. Your body will feel different, you become dynamic, you will start getting thoughts of different nature, and you will be surprised where these thoughts are coming. For example, one person is there, he doesn’t know anything of Sanskrit and one scholar of Sanskrit comes and he started saying Shlokas of Sanskrit. One lady has come. She was a very ordinary lady, she was washing the dishes at people’s homes and she started speaking in Sanskrit, many of having heard her. That means this kind of incident takes place and they think, "We have become now big people. Something has come in us." But after 4, 5 years their legs and hands start shaking. Their lives are very short, and then for them, it’s hard for them to live. And even their body keeps on moving on bed. [They get badly sick.] The reason is everywhere here is a kingdom of God, they can’t do wrong things. Once that bad spirit [bhoot] has gone from the body, then it’s done. Even if the bad spirits are there in the body, they lose their powers. Then they don’t care about anything. This kind of situation happens. They just see the money. Now look at the other side. This kind of people are lazier, dirty, they do dirty work and they put them [bad spirits] in your body. They teach you bad work, means smuggling, etc. And then you will be surprised and think, "Wow getting more money, God is helping me." Got money from here and there. Even troubling others, hold their neck and do killing also. These kinds of bad works they do. But these kinds of gurus don’t get angry at you, "You all are saints, its ok if you do smuggling. Give me some share of that money then its ok." Even if a lady is a prostitute, that’s ok. "You are a goddess. Whatever you have earned, bring that money and offer at my feet as per your faith." Once you give the money your guru [false guru] will be happy. "Then I will garland you. Yours and my relations are only one that means you are a saint and I am a guru. Our main relation is whatever you have earned. Give us the income tax. Why you want to pay to Government?" Because of these kinds of crimes that a person gets arrested. Then people come to me and tell me, "Mataji please save us." Then I will tell them, "How come it’s possible? He was your guru. Why did you believe in him, why did you accept him as a guru? For what work you have kept him. He flatters you. How come he becomes guru? He did not tell you that, 'Don’t do these kinds of work [smuggling and other bad work]?' A person who never tells you anything, why you want to keep him as a guru?" Then you will say, "Because other people believed him as guru then we also kept him as a guru. We have not done anything other than going to his feet." Now, this head has been created by God. How important is this head, do you know that? This head how it’s evolved from the animal stage to the human stage? That I don’t have to tell, that head has been raised. That head if you bow to wrong and dirty people then God will not forgive you. But in Sahaja Yoga, all your sins are forgiven, that I have seen. In front of me so many people get realization. People used to tell some people, "Oh he was like this and that". I forgive, everything is forgiven. God is great! But a person comes from the wrong guru, God doesn’t forgive him. That person I will tell him, "Please you go to your guru, forgive me, I am not ready to work very hard for 3 to 4 years." He is not ready to leave that guru. What did that guru give you? Nothing. "We have kept the photo of that guru." Ok, now after keeping the photo have you find any difference? 'Guru' means 'one out of so many' [lacs of people]. In Maharashtra, some great Gurus have taken birth, which means we are some special people, that’s what I have to say. Land of Maharashtra has something extraordinary. Or you can say that because of that soil, lotus bloomed. Those Gurus were very great. Before some years back we had great Guru of Shirdi Sai Nath. No doubt about it, He was an incarnation of Shri Dattatreya. There is no doubt about his incarnation. He was a Muslim. You recognized him, that is important. But there now you have built temples, big priests have come there. How they would do Puja for him or worship him? What authority they have, who are they? And in front of them you put the money. Means what is going on, what he taught, what he said? Only going to temple and sitting there, you will say, "Sai Baba has fulfilled our wishes", means he has done our work. He does that because he is very kind. Once you surrender to Him, he will do your work. But what you have done for him? He is angry because you are taking his name. I have seen so many of his devotees. I have to tell him, "Forgive them they don’t know." We are not qualified to take his name. He is very great, for me. I am ok if you have taken my name for so many times, there is no problem. I will not get angry; I am your Mother. But for him to take his name, or to see him with big eyes is a big thing. These kinds of great saints we had. When they were alive, then they were tortured, that you have to accept. Now they are not here. Whatever happened it happened. But now also how you are behaving! Are we behaving as per them? In Maharashtra so many saints were there. There is one group Shiva Sena [Hindu national political party] is created. Some others are also created. This kind of dirty things we are doing now. I want to say it means what it’s not a political thing, but to envy someone or think bad about others or seeing someone less than you or big than you, etc. These things should not happen by devotees of Shirdi Sainath. Let other people do that. Keeping Sai’s [Sainath's] photo at home and say that Hindus, Muslims are different! That kind of thing you can’t spread, admitted that Muslims are bad that they have done something wrong or harassed someone, admitted Hindus are bad they have harassed someone! But when you are keeping his [Sai’s] photo where you stand, you are at his feet. But if you are a disciple of anyone, fine. But if you are a disciple of Sai then you are all one. Then you don’t have to have different feelings. This is a simple fact that he (Sai) said that to condemn any religion is a big sin. How many people are like that? Fine! Where have all come from? What you have understood about religion? Building temple of Ganesha! Have you become righteous [religious]? Ganesha is not there. Do you understand that? That’s why what is Dharma, understand through sahaja way! What you have to understand about Dharma [Religion], what is Dharma? What human beings receive through Dharma? Through Dharma how to know where are we? Shirdi Sainath was great. I have seen today’s Shankaracharya. None of them are realized. It’s different about Adi Shankaracharya, he and Shirdi Sainath are one. Great pope is not realized at all, what we can do about him? You make him pope, but he's not realized, that’s what I can say after seeing him. Christ said, "Those who are not against me are with me." How greatly he said that before. Do these Christians will understand this? They will say, "No." Means those who are Christians, who made them Christians, what right do they have? Christ is angry at them to compare to you. These are all the confusions of religions. On the name of Religion [Dharma] there are some misunderstandings [confusions]. But if today if you have Sahaja Dharma then you will understand that it is eternal and residing in everyone. It’s there in everyone. Not only is that but Its Kingdom is there in the whole world. For that, you have to go beyond Dharma. And that state is very sahaj. In that there is no need to say anything or do anything that has been given by God Almighty to you very spontaneously. How far this is a big thing. We talk about big things, about international. But it has to happen inside us. Which is a great thing like you all. I have many children in London. In America too I have more children. They will come now, you will meet them Everyone’s language is of Vibrations, not necessary to know other languages. Moreshwar knows this language, one English boy from England also knows this language. Americans also know this language. They will, "This finger Mother", they will say accurately which one is blocked. That is their Science. If you ask them, "What is Love?", then they will not understand that. "Hay [desire] is good?" they will not understand. The word 'Lajja' [shame], will not understand. That’s why they only know other things, like stones. It’s very difficult to tell or explain people. Now the disease called cancer is there. I am telling you again that without Sahaja, cancer will not get cured. Not Possible. Then they will come. That’s why God has given cancer, now you take to Sahaja. Without that people will not understand. Now what are the benefits of Sahaja? You only understand. I have explained to you everything very well. Now we will go into Meditation. New People have come, give them realization and then you see. In Sahaja it’s not like that today is done, not we will go next time. It is not like that. You have to come to the Kingdom of God. You have to enjoy it and it should be marketed in fun. It’s like when you come to Mumbai and not going to stay here. Then how would you know what is the joy or fun in Mumbai? It’s like that in this you have to get into it. Here most people have progressed well and ordinary people also progressed well. Now the things have come like some people said that, "How would rich people come among ordinary people?" People who are feeling very successful or great, for them there is no Sahaja Yoga. If you want to come then come and sit at this place. If anyone person or king is there or a very ordinary person or big officer is there, if everyone wants to become one in front of God, then only they will get into Sahaja. We are not sitting here idle. If you have a big ego then we are not ready even to come to your bungalow to give you realization. Then they said they will not come to Sahaja. I said we don’t want these kinds of people. If they have these kinds of low understanding or thoughts ['shudra people' means 'those who are very low category people', who is shudra]. These people with low understanding will come to you for Sahaja. I told you very clearly that they will not be benefited from Sahaja. You can stay in your big house or car. That means I am not against rich people. So many rich people are there, they come and sit with us and they ask for their realization. But if you think, "I am the great or rich", they come with these kinds of strange ideas. You have to develop some understanding and wisdom. Wisdom is hard to come by. Foolishness is most people do. So better to have wisdom. I am Mother so whatever is foolishness or bad things are there, then I will tell you that you don’t do. This is for your benevolence. I am not Guru; I don’t want anything from you. I only want your betterment and wellbeing. It’s good for you, that’s why I am telling you, so don’t feel bad. Now new people have come, I will tell them too. Whoever feels bad then their vibrations will go away. Many people come here with weird ideas. So, you keep to wisdom. To get wisdom is a difficult thing. It's easy to be crazy. Thus, you keep to wisdom. I am your Mother. If you do anything silly, anything wrong, I will have to tell you do not do this, it’s for your benevolence. I am not like Gurus; I do not want anything from you. I only want your benevolence. Whatever is good for you, I will tell you, so please do not feel bad about it. There are some new people here, I also tell for them. If you feel bad about it, if you feel guilty, then it's of no use, vibrations will disappear, on its own. (Some lines not easy to hear.) Are you feeling cool in your hands? Nice! Let doctors know that this is control of the parasympathetic. Did you feel cool? Now you doctors have to come out. Doctors have their brains lost, no one wants to listen. What I can I do? I do not understand. They may keep a photo of a Deity at home, but if I say I will show connection between a Deity and cancer, then they do not want to listen. Then how can I talk to them? It’s a problem. Those who have not got realization keep your hands like this. And those who are sitting in meditation, watch like this. Are you feeling cool? See if you are feeling cool in your hands. Nice, very good. See with hands like this, see. (Music.) The sound which you heard just now, is similar to the sound of ‘Aum’ as we call it. Please understand that this energy is flowing. While the energy is flowing, but it’s not fully channelized yet then you get such sound. Once it starts channelizing then you get the sound like this, like Aum. Sometimes you may feel this noise in ears, sometime in your head, which means that the energy is not fully adjusted and channelized, that’s why you are hearing this noise. So, if you hear this noise, you need to know that the energy is not fully established. You need to fix it, and that cannot be done by a regular screw, has to be fixed by the screws of a mind if you are able to fix this, using screws of your mind, as this machine is different. So, if you manage to fix the screws of your mind, then the wastage of this energy which today you are hearing in your ears, in your head, will disappear and it will become pure silence, complete silence. This is a best position, where the energy is in complete silence, then you will understand that you are at that stage, then you can use this energy. Do you understand that? Now, Aum, people say you get sound of Aum. Seven types of sounds, they get it. But that’s not correct, you should not get any sound from the energy. There are different sounds. So, if you are getting sounds, mean this machine is not properly set, the energy is not adjusted correctly. Same like that, if you hear the sound of Aum, people say, "We achieved something great", they actually have half knowledge. That’s why they do not understand that actually they are wrong. Actually, you should not get any noise. In the beginning if you get the noise, its ok. You are hearing a noise, which means energy is flowing, but then you have to adjust. What is happening? Once you get adjusted, you should know. Now this is fine. Now, you have to use this energy to receive and to give, both. For example, this microphone, if this has other noise, then how it can project my sound? So, if you need adjustments in your energy then how can you reflect God’s voice through you? How can His energy flow through you? That’s why this machine should be fully silent. Similarly, your inner energy should be completely silent inside. To get to the complete silence is the best activity. The energy should be every subtle delicate level fully silent, that’s the best. Then what comes from above [from the Divine], comes in your speech. So, let me tell you one thing. Other day, I was reading a book on Hata Yoga, just wanted to see what they wrote. They explained in the book what is the meaning if you hear a noise. This means the machine is damaged. I made this machine; thus, I know it's ruined. Do not keep hearing the machine, which is damaged, that’s not good. You hear the noise, because machine is not adjusted. You will experience this. If you are sick or you have problem, you may hear a noise in your head. Because you have problem you will hear the noise. If you are completely relaxed, you will be in complete silence, and at peace. Then these two things will be established within you, i.e. Silence and Peace. Other thing I wanted to say, is that today we have short time. Once you all start coming to my feet, you break those. So, I request you, I need my feet. I have not insured those, so I request you, "Please do not now touch my feet. It has lot of energy, but these are delicate. So, delicately if you can bow down will be good. You need not press my feet strongly, do not show your Marathi strength." Other day, people pressed my feet so badly that my daughter asked me, "Why these are so many blues on your feet?" I understand that it's out of love, but you should not go the extremes out of love. Rather you can show this love, with delicacy, with faith, with care. That’s what I would like to request. Finally, Mother is a mother. Even if She is Goddess, She feels leaving Her children.

Sahaja Yoga Integrates Everyone -May 29th 1976, Mumbai Seminar [English translation from Marathi] You are realized yogis now by Sahaja yoga, and some are going to get their realization now. Many of you know what is Kundalini, what is Kundalini yoga, Different chakras are now working in us. Chakras names and their deities I have given information of all that to all. Not only that but you have taken experiences of it then new seekers if they take information from old yogis then that would be great. Now the question is after getting a realization of what we have to do, this question they ask me all the time. This question is like the, "Mother we have earned money and what do we have to do?" After earning you have to start spending. When you start earning and save the money, or in a bank account you start putting money, and save the money for your future. Now how to spend that I will tell you. Some people use that money in a very nice way. Some people asked, "If we don’t use this account then what will happen?" God has chosen us with love and this is a very big work of the world. Now God has selected us with this great work, and has given us vibrations because of some reason. And we know that because of this Vibration we can bring others into the Kingdom of God, and they can also feel the joy of peace. Not only that but we can be connected with the all-pervading power of God Almighty. Now the question is, "This power is flowing from our hands. If it’s not used then it should not get over. That is the people to insist. Now what we think? That this, the thing has to be done or that thing should not be done?" Those things are not in God’s Kingdom. God’s Kingdom is very at the very highest level. We can’t order that you do this and do that. His Kingdom [Power] is the highest of all. His [God] work is done with Love, depth, and efficient way. Now after receiving vibrations, if you sit nicely with relax and say, "Shri Mataji has given us this great experience, now we feel joyful." If you keep doing that and when I come after 3 or 4 months then you will say, "Shri Mataji we lost our Vibrations" or "We feel burning on our palms. Are there any mistakes have we committed? Have you taken our vibrations?" That’s what they start asking. I want to tell that if you don’t use your Vibrations for people then He [God Almighty] will take Vibrations back. That’s why after receiving vibrations it has to be used. That means people think that Mataji wants us to give everything to Sahaja Yoga, I want to say that you cannot give anything to Sahaja Yoga. What you will give? What do you have, stone and sand? You don’t give anything to Sahaja Yoga. If you give then He [God Almighty] gives you more. From your hand great power is flowing by His Grace and once that power starts flowing then you will know how far you are great. He has made you so capable [abilities] and for that, you don’t receive any Ego. Now we have so many people who have cured others in large numbers, but in their mind, they don’t think that they cured people. If they cured or not, they don’t think if it’s done or not done. Something is going from hand [vibrations]. No one says that, "I have done this and that." Now, whoever is saying that then he will be gone. Whoever is saying that, "It’s happening by me" then he will come down. Then some people ask, "Mataji we have cured so many people, how come our vibrations are gone?" The reason is that you started feeling that you are doing it. Since you are here and with I-ness, with the mindset of Ego and Superego, this was not there because of your realization, it’s taken away. That’s why you felt oneness with God Almighty. Now you are here. Now what you are, you are not that one that you started feeling from beginning. Now you have taken birth at one place [house]. To begin with this are my parents. Secondly, this is my name, then this is my country, then this is my house, then this is our community, this is my caste, etc. These are the misidentifications, which you are not that one. What you are? You are great power of God Almighty, that is a fact. Still, if you are outside thinking that, "I am this and that", then the power of God Almighty won’t get enlightened within you completely. That’s why, "I am not that but I am that", you think in your heart [of higher personality], it means after realization, not before, so There is no point if you say before your realization. That means you are still outside. When you go inside and say, "I am that and other things are nothing", then it will start happening, and whoever will say, that person will get God’s realization. Inside the power is flowing, not only that it flows with tremendous power, then you will receive answers to all your questions. Now, most people ask Mataji, "We came to you and our poverty did not go away." There are so many like that. Now you have come to me, that is not that you are doing a favour to me or God. We have to change our thinking. You and I came here out of our busy schedule. You are not doing any favour to me but you are doing a favour to yourself. You came here and you are benefited greatly. This big thing you have received it, this joy is entered within you. That is the great thing itself that you received it. In that you have not done any favour to God, He blessed you very highly and has given you the wealth of Love. This has not happened in previous lives of anyone, and today these people are sitting in front of me. They are all saints. And these saints were wandering. Now they are having families and now they have settled down and immersed in the supreme. And that’s why this is possible, it looks sahaj. But how come this is happening? It requires big penance from so many past lives! There is a reason that I am also here. How come that you ask these Yogis? I don’t want to say anything but it’s happening! God is ready to give you blessings, ready to give you all the things. He is doing a big favour to you. If come to Him with your wisdom, He will open the doors and say, "Come, come." But still, some people will not go to him. Nothing less for Him, He is ready to give you whatever you ask, but for that, you should deserve that. [It means you have to have a bag to fill it and it has to have that capacity to fill it.] Your thought of taking from Him is different [means it's different of that, "If I have come to God then I have to get gold bracelet", means thinking of getting material things from God]. For God He doesn’t have any importance of gold. For Him gold is just like stones or rocks. He wants to give Nectar to His children; He is the storehouse of Nectar. Would He give you stones or rocks? [Mother is comparing stones with gold or material things.] Nobody received real joy out of material things, it will be of no use. That doesn’t mean that He will give you poverty, it’s not like that. That means what you have you don’t enjoy; what you have, they are their consumable intellect, not yours. Now see, a rich person is crying and poor is also crying. Do we have the power to consume [enjoy] anything small that we have? No! Means when we look at the thing of another person then we think, "Oh, he has a nice thing and I don’t have it." What we have that we don’t see but what he has that we see. Why did you receive [earn] this great thing if you can’t enjoy it? We keep on looking to get one thing, then another one. There is no end to it. The idea of Happiness is coming from God Almighty. He gives you that Joy or Happiness. After that you don’t ask for anything. Your demands are fulfilled. Here His part is over, nothing is seen beyond that. He brings you into such a midpoint. You don’t see anything when you stand on your midpoint that is outside. But when you are under His blessings you are diving in the ocean of Joy. Everything is for Happiness, isn’t it? But do we receive that Happiness? So, when we receive an ocean of Happiness [Joy] from that thing then why would you go to another one? We are asking for only Joy. Whatever we ask that is only thinking of getting Joy. It doesn’t look subtle but it is. Then once you receive that Joy, why you want to look for other things? What a great thing of Sahaja Yoga. I have talked about it a day before yesterday that the power of Sahaja Yoga is tremendous. Once you receive this power of God Almighty then you enter into new Kingdom, and God is the king of that Kingdom himself. You don’t have to say this later that, "Don’t speak in Marathi, don’t speak in Hindi, don’t speak in ten languages [many languages]." You only speak one language, have one kingdom. Unify the whole country! There should be only one United Nations. It happens that way because you all are one, that you have only taken in a way that we are different, or you think it’s given by this form by God. We are different, you are different, and you are all one from inside. That is, it has the power to connect, it is inside to connect. Even the word 'connected' is not right. You are one from inside. You are the only one in infinity, means the power to show that you all are one is awakened. It means Sahaja Yoga is unified and bringing everyone together. This means it integrates everyone, it brings integration to each other. Everyone seems to be doing well. It’s good in this culture, it’s good in that culture. Someone is better in that and the other one is better in another. And that way whatever is good in them it gets integrated. This means there are quarrels around the nations that go away. And person comes and stands at that point where he doesn’t find any difference with others. Now we are all one, means say that this is Self-Actualization. That is one experience, it’s not like lectures. You all are brothers and sisters. How can a mother say like this, how it’s possible? "That’s not right", means you are brothers and sisters think artificially there is no meaning on this. There is no point if it says that forcefully that you are brothers and sisters. You will ask how that can be a possible mother. But after getting into this, you become brothers and sisters. Those relationships are different because now you are not different anymore. Once when this power starts flowing through your hand then you will understand the Sahaja Yoga, where is this and that. Whole attention is on Kundalini. You will not pay attention outside or, what he has, what kind of clothes he wears. Where their Kundalini stops, that they will tell you immediately. Whether he is a child or an adult, when a person is realized then he can see the Kundalini. There are two methods, we have to pay attention to it. On your left side, there is one type of arrangement. And the right side is having other arrangements. Another word: 'left side' is called 'a collective subconscious' or you can say 'collective latent consciousness'. And the 'right side' is called 'supra-conscious' or you can call it as 'super consciousness'. What is the word in Marathi that doesn’t know about the right side? So 'left' is 'dead sub consciousness' and 'right' is 'dead super consciousness'. There is a reason for that. Those who are dead, they also want the place, means people who were lazy and not good for anything, they go on the left side. People who were overworking or ambitious, they go to the right side. People who have gone afterlife, they slowly become small and waiting for the day to their rebirth. Some of them decide on their own, "Where should I take birth, when and who will be my parents?" I am not going to say much about it. But there are some people like that. Some people were insatiable. Those kinds of souls [insatiable] are more here in Kali Yuga. There is a big queue for them. This kind of people are among you and they are close to you. That’s why a person if he goes on the extreme side of both or crosses the limit, it might happen that’s why some gurus are doing these kinds of wrong things. They will push you here or another side. If he goes on extreme then he will be gone completely another side. That’s why that kind of person is among one of you. For example, Mahesh Yogi he takes to the right side. Now what happens if you go too much on the right side? Dead people who were right-sided or insatiable [those desires did not get fulfilled] they enter into you. They have the kept their names from God’s name. Now see their cunningness. They will tell you to take Shiva’s name, Rama’s name. You will think, "I am taking God’s name." But you have to think that God is not your servant, that you will call him like this. What right [authority] do you have to call Him? You are not authorized to call God. If you call like this then some servant kind of people only will come to you. They might be on top of you or they are like learning from you. So, this kind of people who have come are of supra-conscious people. With their entry [supra conscious people] everything will be changed for you. Your blood count will change, your lifestyle will change, the reason that they have taken yours in charge. Your body will feel different, you become dynamic, you will start getting thoughts of different nature, and you will be surprised where these thoughts are coming. For example, one person is there, he doesn’t know anything of Sanskrit and one scholar of Sanskrit comes and he started saying Shlokas of Sanskrit. One lady has come. She was a very ordinary lady, she was washing the dishes at people’s homes and she started speaking in Sanskrit, many of having heard her. That means this kind of incident takes place and they think, "We have become now big people. Something has come in us." But after 4, 5 years their legs and hands start shaking. Their lives are very short, and then for them, it’s hard for them to live. And even their body keeps on moving on bed. [They get badly sick.] The reason is everywhere here is a kingdom of God, they can’t do wrong things. Once that bad spirit [bhoot] has gone from the body, then it’s done. Even if the bad spirits are there in the body, they lose their powers. Then they don’t care about anything. This kind of situation happens. They just see the money. Now look at the other side. This kind of people are lazier, dirty, they do dirty work and they put them [bad spirits] in your body. They teach you bad work, means smuggling, etc. And then you will be surprised and think, "Wow getting more money, God is helping me." Got money from here and there. Even troubling others, hold their neck and do killing also. These kinds of bad works they do. But these kinds of gurus don’t get angry at you, "You all are saints, its ok if you do smuggling. Give me some share of that money then its ok." Even if a lady is a prostitute, that’s ok. "You are a goddess. Whatever you have earned, bring that money and offer at my feet as per your faith." Once you give the money your guru [false guru] will be happy. "Then I will garland you. Yours and my relations are only one that means you are a saint and I am a guru. Our main relation is whatever you have earned. Give us the income tax. Why you want to pay to Government?" Because of these kinds of crimes that a person gets arrested. Then people come to me and tell me, "Mataji please save us." Then I will tell them, "How come it’s possible? He was your guru. Why did you believe in him, why did you accept him as a guru? For what work you have kept him. He flatters you. How come he becomes guru? He did not tell you that, 'Don’t do these kinds of work [smuggling and other bad work]?' A person who never tells you anything, why you want to keep him as a guru?" Then you will say, "Because other people believed him as guru then we also kept him as a guru. We have not done anything other than going to his feet." Now, this head has been created by God. How important is this head, do you know that? This head how it’s evolved from the animal stage to the human stage? That I don’t have to tell, that head has been raised. That head if you bow to wrong and dirty people then God will not forgive you. But in Sahaja Yoga, all your sins are forgiven, that I have seen. In front of me so many people get realization. People used to tell some people, "Oh he was like this and that". I forgive, everything is forgiven. God is great! But a person comes from the wrong guru, God doesn’t forgive him. That person I will tell him, "Please you go to your guru, forgive me, I am not ready to work very hard for 3 to 4 years." He is not ready to leave that guru. What did that guru give you? Nothing. "We have kept the photo of that guru." Ok, now after keeping the photo have you find any difference? 'Guru' means 'one out of so many' [lacs of people]. In Maharashtra, some great Gurus have taken birth, which means we are some special people, that’s what I have to say. Land of Maharashtra has something extraordinary. Or you can say that because of that soil, lotus bloomed. Those Gurus were very great. Before some years back we had great Guru of Shirdi Sai Nath. No doubt about it, He was an incarnation of Shri Dattatreya. There is no doubt about his incarnation. He was a Muslim. You recognized him, that is important. But there now you have built temples, big priests have come there. How they would do Puja for him or worship him? What authority they have, who are they? And in front of them you put the money. Means what is going on, what he taught, what he said? Only going to temple and sitting there, you will say, "Sai Baba has fulfilled our wishes", means he has done our work. He does that because he is very kind. Once you surrender to Him, he will do your work. But what you have done for him? He is angry because you are taking his name. I have seen so many of his devotees. I have to tell him, "Forgive them they don’t know." We are not qualified to take his name. He is very great, for me. I am ok if you have taken my name for so many times, there is no problem. I will not get angry; I am your Mother. But for him to take his name, or to see him with big eyes is a big thing. These kinds of great saints we had. When they were alive, then they were tortured, that you have to accept. Now they are not here. Whatever happened it happened. But now also how you are behaving! Are we behaving as per them? In Maharashtra so many saints were there. There is one group Shiva Sena [Hindu national political party] is created. Some others are also created. This kind of dirty things we are doing now. I want to say it means what it’s not a political thing, but to envy someone or think bad about others or seeing someone less than you or big than you, etc. These things should not happen by devotees of Shirdi Sainath. Let other people do that. Keeping Sai’s [Sainath's] photo at home and say that Hindus, Muslims are different! That kind of thing you can’t spread, admitted that Muslims are bad that they have done something wrong or harassed someone, admitted Hindus are bad they have harassed someone! But when you are keeping his [Sai’s] photo where you stand, you are at his feet. But if you are a disciple of anyone, fine. But if you are a disciple of Sai then you are all one. Then you don’t have to have different feelings. This is a simple fact that he (Sai) said that to condemn any religion is a big sin. How many people are like that? Fine! Where have all come from? What you have understood about religion? Building temple of Ganesha! Have you become righteous [religious]? Ganesha is not there. Do you understand that? That’s why what is Dharma, understand through sahaja way! What you have to understand about Dharma [Religion], what is Dharma? What human beings receive through Dharma? Through Dharma how to know where are we? Shirdi Sainath was great. I have seen today’s Shankaracharya. None of them are realized. It’s different about Adi Shankaracharya, he and Shirdi Sainath are one. Great pope is not realized at all, what we can do about him? You make him pope, but he's not realized, that’s what I can say after seeing him. Christ said, "Those who are not against me are with me." How greatly he said that before. Do these Christians will understand this? They will say, "No." Means those who are Christians, who made them Christians, what right do they have? Christ is angry at them to compare to you. These are all the confusions of religions. On the name of Religion [Dharma] there are some misunderstandings [confusions]. But if today if you have Sahaja Dharma then you will understand that it is eternal and residing in everyone. It’s there in everyone. Not only is that but Its Kingdom is there in the whole world. For that, you have to go beyond Dharma. And that state is very sahaj. In that there is no need to say anything or do anything that has been given by God Almighty to you very spontaneously. How far this is a big thing. We talk about big things, about international. But it has to happen inside us. Which is a great thing like you all. I have many children in London. In America too I have more children. They will come now, you will meet them Everyone’s language is of Vibrations, not necessary to know other languages. Moreshwar knows this language, one English boy from England also knows this language. Americans also know this language. They will, "This finger Mother", they will say accurately which one is blocked. That is their Science. If you ask them, "What is Love?", then they will not understand that. "Hay [desire] is good?" they will not understand. The word 'Lajja' [shame], will not understand. That’s why they only know other things, like stones. It’s very difficult to tell or explain people. Now the disease called cancer is there. I am telling you again that without Sahaja, cancer will not get cured. Not Possible. Then they will come. That’s why God has given cancer, now you take to Sahaja. Without that people will not understand. Now what are the benefits of Sahaja? You only understand. I have explained to you everything very well. Now we will go into Meditation. New People have come, give them realization and then you see. In Sahaja it’s not like that today is done, not we will go next time. It is not like that. You have to come to the Kingdom of God. You have to enjoy it and it should be marketed in fun. It’s like when you come to Mumbai and not going to stay here. Then how would you know what is the joy or fun in Mumbai? It’s like that in this you have to get into it. Here most people have progressed well and ordinary people also progressed well. Now the things have come like some people said that, "How would rich people come among ordinary people?" People who are feeling very successful or great, for them there is no Sahaja Yoga. If you want to come then come and sit at this place. If anyone person or king is there or a very ordinary person or big officer is there, if everyone wants to become one in front of God, then only they will get into Sahaja. We are not sitting here idle. If you have a big ego then we are not ready even to come to your bungalow to give you realization. Then they said they will not come to Sahaja. I said we don’t want these kinds of people. If they have these kinds of low understanding or thoughts ['shudra people' means 'those who are very low category people', who is shudra]. These people with low understanding will come to you for Sahaja. I told you very clearly that they will not be benefited from Sahaja. You can stay in your big house or car. That means I am not against rich people. So many rich people are there, they come and sit with us and they ask for their realization. But if you think, "I am the great or rich", they come with these kinds of strange ideas. You have to develop some understanding and wisdom. Wisdom is hard to come by. Foolishness is most people do. So better to have wisdom. I am Mother so whatever is foolishness or bad things are there, then I will tell you that you don’t do. This is for your benevolence. I am not Guru; I don’t want anything from you. I only want your betterment and wellbeing. It’s good for you, that’s why I am telling you, so don’t feel bad. Now new people have come, I will tell them too. Whoever feels bad then their vibrations will go away. Many people come here with weird ideas. So, you keep to wisdom. To get wisdom is a difficult thing. It's easy to be crazy. Thus, you keep to wisdom. I am your Mother. If you do anything silly, anything wrong, I will have to tell you do not do this, it’s for your benevolence. I am not like Gurus; I do not want anything from you. I only want your benevolence. Whatever is good for you, I will tell you, so please do not feel bad about it. There are some new people here, I also tell for them. If you feel bad about it, if you feel guilty, then it's of no use, vibrations will disappear, on its own. (Some lines not easy to hear.) Are you feeling cool in your hands? Nice! Let doctors know that this is control of the parasympathetic. Did you feel cool? Now you doctors have to come out. Doctors have their brains lost, no one wants to listen. What I can I do? I do not understand. They may keep a photo of a Deity at home, but if I say I will show connection between a Deity and cancer, then they do not want to listen. Then how can I talk to them? It’s a problem. Those who have not got realization keep your hands like this. And those who are sitting in meditation, watch like this. Are you feeling cool? See if you are feeling cool in your hands. Nice, very good. See with hands like this, see. (Music.) The sound which you heard just now, is similar to the sound of ‘Aum’ as we call it. Please understand that this energy is flowing. While the energy is flowing, but it’s not fully channelized yet then you get such sound. Once it starts channelizing then you get the sound like this, like Aum. Sometimes you may feel this noise in ears, sometime in your head, which means that the energy is not fully adjusted and channelized, that’s why you are hearing this noise. So, if you hear this noise, you need to know that the energy is not fully established. You need to fix it, and that cannot be done by a regular screw, has to be fixed by the screws of a mind if you are able to fix this, using screws of your mind, as this machine is different. So, if you manage to fix the screws of your mind, then the wastage of this energy which today you are hearing in your ears, in your head, will disappear and it will become pure silence, complete silence. This is a best position, where the energy is in complete silence, then you will understand that you are at that stage, then you can use this energy. Do you understand that? Now, Aum, people say you get sound of Aum. Seven types of sounds, they get it. But that’s not correct, you should not get any sound from the energy. There are different sounds. So, if you are getting sounds, mean this machine is not properly set, the energy is not adjusted correctly. Same like that, if you hear the sound of Aum, people say, "We achieved something great", they actually have half knowledge. That’s why they do not understand that actually they are wrong. Actually, you should not get any noise. In the beginning if you get the noise, its ok. You are hearing a noise, which means energy is flowing, but then you have to adjust. What is happening? Once you get adjusted, you should know. Now this is fine. Now, you have to use this energy to receive and to give, both. For example, this microphone, if this has other noise, then how it can project my sound? So, if you need adjustments in your energy then how can you reflect God’s voice through you? How can His energy flow through you? That’s why this machine should be fully silent. Similarly, your inner energy should be completely silent inside. To get to the complete silence is the best activity. The energy should be every subtle delicate level fully silent, that’s the best. Then what comes from above [from the Divine], comes in your speech. So, let me tell you one thing. Other day, I was reading a book on Hata Yoga, just wanted to see what they wrote. They explained in the book what is the meaning if you hear a noise. This means the machine is damaged. I made this machine; thus, I know it's ruined. Do not keep hearing the machine, which is damaged, that’s not good. You hear the noise, because machine is not adjusted. You will experience this. If you are sick or you have problem, you may hear a noise in your head. Because you have problem you will hear the noise. If you are completely relaxed, you will be in complete silence, and at peace. Then these two things will be established within you, i.e. Silence and Peace. Other thing I wanted to say, is that today we have short time. Once you all start coming to my feet, you break those. So, I request you, I need my feet. I have not insured those, so I request you, "Please do not now touch my feet. It has lot of energy, but these are delicate. So, delicately if you can bow down will be good. You need not press my feet strongly, do not show your Marathi strength." Other day, people pressed my feet so badly that my daughter asked me, "Why these are so many blues on your feet?" I understand that it's out of love, but you should not go the extremes out of love. Rather you can show this love, with delicacy, with faith, with care. That’s what I would like to request. Finally, Mother is a mother. Even if She is Goddess, She feels leaving Her children.

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Letter The environment plays a big role in the reaction of a person. The sensitivity of the chakras becomes dull after the first few shocks to them. Then a human being starts living with all the shocking habits very easily. He exists, but in a very superficial manner and does not want to go down into his depth as he cannot face the shocks that are stored within. He tries to forget them as that helps him to exist. But mere existence is not accepted by people like you and many others who face themselves. They are brave and courageous children of mine. Sahaja Yoga can help only those. You have been worried about others. To the extent that you want their emancipation I am willing to agree. But this is only possible if you can see the purpose of emancipation. The purpose is to introduce to their awareness the Kingdom of God, His laws and His glory. The responsibility of every individual as an instrument is to accept Him in his full freedom. The object of Sahaja Yoga is complete liberation hence nothing can be done arbitrarily by Adi Shakti. The only thing I can do is to lead you and guide you to awaken your divinity in full freedom. ...... A cat has to change seven places to save her children. ......

Letter The environment plays a big role in the reaction of a person. The sensitivity of the chakras becomes dull after the first few shocks to them. Then a human being starts living with all the shocking habits very easily. He exists, but in a very superficial manner and does not want to go down into his depth as he cannot face the shocks that are stored within. He tries to forget them as that helps him to exist. But mere existence is not accepted by people like you and many others who face themselves. They are brave and courageous children of mine. Sahaja Yoga can help only those. You have been worried about others. To the extent that you want their emancipation I am willing to agree. But this is only possible if you can see the purpose of emancipation. The purpose is to introduce to their awareness the Kingdom of God, His laws and His glory. The responsibility of every individual as an instrument is to accept Him in his full freedom. The object of Sahaja Yoga is complete liberation hence nothing can be done arbitrarily by Adi Shakti. The only thing I can do is to lead you and guide you to awaken your divinity in full freedom. ...... A cat has to change seven places to save her children. ......

9/22/1976

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Letter Those who are real seekers of truth do not give up their seeking by their frustrating finding of untruth. There are plastic flowers. That does not mean there are no real flowers. The religions manifested as real flowers on the tree of religion but people removed the flowers from the tree and made them dead flowers, as their own property. Once you know the reality, you can know all the incarnations of divine manifestation and their functions To know the reality, you have to be born again. You have to know the unconscious. Your attention has to jump in the unconscious. In the human state you cannot know the unconscious. Hence it should not be discarded but should be accepted as unknown. When you jump into your unconscious, as you have seen, you become collectively conscious. You “become”! But not that you think or feel, but you are endowed with awareness. That knows about the other people’s Kundalini and chakras on your fingers, spontaneously. From you heart, like a mild electric current, the Divine Power [Shakti] starts flowing. They are the divine vibrations [chaitanya lahari]. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.html

Letter Those who are real seekers of truth do not give up their seeking by their frustrating finding of untruth. There are plastic flowers. That does not mean there are no real flowers. The religions manifested as real flowers on the tree of religion but people removed the flowers from the tree and made them dead flowers, as their own property. Once you know the reality, you can know all the incarnations of divine manifestation and their functions To know the reality, you have to be born again. You have to know the unconscious. Your attention has to jump in the unconscious. In the human state you cannot know the unconscious. Hence it should not be discarded but should be accepted as unknown. When you jump into your unconscious, as you have seen, you become collectively conscious. You “become”! But not that you think or feel, but you are endowed with awareness. That knows about the other people’s Kundalini and chakras on your fingers, spontaneously. From you heart, like a mild electric current, the Divine Power [Shakti] starts flowing. They are the divine vibrations [chaitanya lahari]. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.html

10/12/1976

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Letter about Dharma (also Pyramids and Tajmahal). London, 12 October 1976. It is very true that some human beings in the prehistoric times were very wise and dynamic.Maybe they were realized but such people, in ancient civilization, must have been very much accepted as higher people. Otherwise how can you account for building a pyramid in Egypt, which is, from inside, all vibrated. (The human brain is also a "pyramid like" but not yet perfected. The proportions of Pyramid are Divine. (This is all supported by a scientist in his book on "the super nature" where he found that dead bodies do not decay). There are many such instances.Specially artists who were of higher awareness (realized souls) were accepted and that is how the Tajmahal works (the dome gives resonance and there are lots of vibrations as the dome has a special shape). So these are no more make believes. They are all beyond the conception of even modern men. The reason for this acceptance comes from the fact that human beings at large, at that time, accepted virtue (the expression of Dharma) for the pattern of their life. They did not get "liberation" from virtue, socially or politically. Dharma was accepted as something to adhere to. There must be clear-cut ideas as to the formal religions appropriated by people who "talk about God". They are not realized and those who are realized also are not fully aware of themselves. The talk about God leads to the rationalization of formal religions. The mythical organized religions have befooled human beings to such an extent that it looks like a joke, which has turned into a cold-blooded murder. I do not know whether to laugh or to be angry or to weep with anguish. This is how I describe Dharma in short.Dharma is the sustenance of all things that are born or created. It is super nature that gives valences to atoms in an element. It is Dharma that is expressed as the quality of these elements. For instance, gold has a quality that it is untarnishable.The human beings are like perfected instruments, like computers. Of course, if their Dharma is in balance, they are the best receptors. You can understand that the divine awareness is like the main electrical current which starts the computer (Self-realization). If the Dharma in the instrument is lacking, self-realization does not give full results. It becomes like a second hand car. Dharma is the fulcrum and the one who is in Dharma never gets into imbalance. So the attention has to be on "Dharma", the point where the gravity of sin does not act.The information of Dharma comes from the Unconscious but the movement from the fulcrum can take the human attention so much in one dimension or so much like a seesaw that ultimately the beam of life tilts towards one side, either towards hell or towards destruction. Because, if the extreme movements are like a seesaw, the delicate flower of human awareness becomes confused and people suffer from all kind of diseases. So what must we do? The human beings have to come to the state of Gautama who became the Buddha. He searched in all earnestness and honesty. He gave up first all fake worldly preoccupations. This is not required but when he gave up all hopes of searching (the occupation of the mind), he accepted his defeat. He felt tired and fell at the feet of the Holy Ghost. Buddha had dharma. His body was clean, His mind the attention, did not find any joy in the worldly greed or desire. His cup was ready and it emptied when he was tired and surrendered and that was the moment: like torrential rain, the "Shakti" filled His cup and made Him the "Shakta", the Enlightened One. So, when you are talking of virtue, you are warning them to keep the cup intact and clean. Sahaja yoga is the proof of all the scriptures that are challenged. But I had to come to explain, to give realization and to tell you the "know how". In science first a hypothesis is propounded and then experimented. If we get the results, it becomes the scientific law. In the same way, so far, religions or ideas of God was a hypothesis but how this hypothesis becomes the law through sahaja yoga is to be seen. Sahaja yoga is more concerned with the Mahalakshmi Power – evolutionary power - which also integrates all the three powers at the point beyond the brahmarandra (top of the head). With this integration, the sahaja yoga discovery proves that the human being is a perfected instrument, a computer built in various period which, when put to the mains, starts giving information.It proves that all religions are living flowers on the tree of life and they describe the Truth. All Incarnations are "true". All this can be proven at the time of Kundalini awakening. It creates a human awareness, which can have a dialogue with the Unconscious.

Letter about Dharma (also Pyramids and Tajmahal). London, 12 October 1976. It is very true that some human beings in the prehistoric times were very wise and dynamic.Maybe they were realized but such people, in ancient civilization, must have been very much accepted as higher people. Otherwise how can you account for building a pyramid in Egypt, which is, from inside, all vibrated. (The human brain is also a "pyramid like" but not yet perfected. The proportions of Pyramid are Divine. (This is all supported by a scientist in his book on "the super nature" where he found that dead bodies do not decay). There are many such instances.Specially artists who were of higher awareness (realized souls) were accepted and that is how the Tajmahal works (the dome gives resonance and there are lots of vibrations as the dome has a special shape). So these are no more make believes. They are all beyond the conception of even modern men. The reason for this acceptance comes from the fact that human beings at large, at that time, accepted virtue (the expression of Dharma) for the pattern of their life. They did not get "liberation" from virtue, socially or politically. Dharma was accepted as something to adhere to. There must be clear-cut ideas as to the formal religions appropriated by people who "talk about God". They are not realized and those who are realized also are not fully aware of themselves. The talk about God leads to the rationalization of formal religions. The mythical organized religions have befooled human beings to such an extent that it looks like a joke, which has turned into a cold-blooded murder. I do not know whether to laugh or to be angry or to weep with anguish. This is how I describe Dharma in short.Dharma is the sustenance of all things that are born or created. It is super nature that gives valences to atoms in an element. It is Dharma that is expressed as the quality of these elements. For instance, gold has a quality that it is untarnishable.The human beings are like perfected instruments, like computers. Of course, if their Dharma is in balance, they are the best receptors. You can understand that the divine awareness is like the main electrical current which starts the computer (Self-realization). If the Dharma in the instrument is lacking, self-realization does not give full results. It becomes like a second hand car. Dharma is the fulcrum and the one who is in Dharma never gets into imbalance. So the attention has to be on "Dharma", the point where the gravity of sin does not act.The information of Dharma comes from the Unconscious but the movement from the fulcrum can take the human attention so much in one dimension or so much like a seesaw that ultimately the beam of life tilts towards one side, either towards hell or towards destruction. Because, if the extreme movements are like a seesaw, the delicate flower of human awareness becomes confused and people suffer from all kind of diseases. So what must we do? The human beings have to come to the state of Gautama who became the Buddha. He searched in all earnestness and honesty. He gave up first all fake worldly preoccupations. This is not required but when he gave up all hopes of searching (the occupation of the mind), he accepted his defeat. He felt tired and fell at the feet of the Holy Ghost. Buddha had dharma. His body was clean, His mind the attention, did not find any joy in the worldly greed or desire. His cup was ready and it emptied when he was tired and surrendered and that was the moment: like torrential rain, the "Shakti" filled His cup and made Him the "Shakta", the Enlightened One. So, when you are talking of virtue, you are warning them to keep the cup intact and clean. Sahaja yoga is the proof of all the scriptures that are challenged. But I had to come to explain, to give realization and to tell you the "know how". In science first a hypothesis is propounded and then experimented. If we get the results, it becomes the scientific law. In the same way, so far, religions or ideas of God was a hypothesis but how this hypothesis becomes the law through sahaja yoga is to be seen. Sahaja yoga is more concerned with the Mahalakshmi Power – evolutionary power - which also integrates all the three powers at the point beyond the brahmarandra (top of the head). With this integration, the sahaja yoga discovery proves that the human being is a perfected instrument, a computer built in various period which, when put to the mains, starts giving information.It proves that all religions are living flowers on the tree of life and they describe the Truth. All Incarnations are "true". All this can be proven at the time of Kundalini awakening. It creates a human awareness, which can have a dialogue with the Unconscious.

10/21/1976

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Letter, Diwali

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Translation of a Hindi letter, 21 October 1976. My dear Sahaja Yogis, my dear children, Let this Diwali enlighten you with light of love. You yourself are the lamps which burn high and don’t get pressed by the cover. They become much more powerful than the cover. It is their own asset. When they are hit upon, they are disturbed and extinguished. Why are our lamps disturbed? You should think over it. Is there no transparent sheath around them? Have you forgotten your Mother’s love and therefore you are so disturbed? As the glass protects the lamp, in the same way my love will protect you. But the glass should be kept clean. How can I explain? Have I to say like Shri Krishna, “Leave all religions and surrender to me” or as Shri Jesus, “I am the way, I am the door”? I want to tell that I am that destination. But will you people accept it? Will this fact go to your hearts? Although what I say is distorted, the Truth will always stand. You cannot change what It is. Only you will remain ignorant and backward. I am unhappy because of that. Diwali is the day of real aspirations. Invoke the whole universe. Many lamps have to be lit and looked after. Add the oil of love. Kundalini is the wick and awaken the Kundalini of others with light of the Spirit within you. This flame of Kundalini will be kindled and once within you will become the torch. Torch is not extinguished. Then there will be spotless sheath of my love. It will neither have any limits nor any end. I will be watching you. My love for you is showering as many, many blessings. Yours always loving Mother NIRMALA (Here is another translation.) Dear Sahaja Yogis, my children, May this Diwali enlighten you all with its light! You are the lamps yourself. The lamps that are lit, can’t be suppressed by covering over. On the contrary, they will get more powerful. This is their own treasure [quality]. When there is an attack on them, they get unstable [flicker] and extinguish. Why do your lamps [flames] get unstable? This must be given some thought. Isn’t there a conspicuous armour on them? Have you forgotten your Mother’s love? Is that the reason that you are unstable? Just as a glass shields the lamp, my love is going to protect you. But you must keep this glass clean. How do I explain? Would I have to say like Krishna, "Give up all your dharmas, and take refuge with only One” [that’s I, Krishna] or like Jesus Christ must have said, “I’m the path, I am the door”? I want to tell you that I am the destination. But can you accept this and can the concept be assimilated? Whatever I say, even if it would be portrayed as the opposite, whatever is the truth will remain so. You can’t change its form. [If you try] you will stay ignorant and backward. That’s what makes me sad. Diwali is the day of new invocation. Go invoke the whole world. Many lamps are to be lit. We’ve to decorate them. Put the oil of love in these, the wick [for the flame] is the Kundalini and using the light within you, awaken the Kundalini within others. As the flames of the Kundalini light up, torches will light up within. Torches don’t extinguish. And my pure love will provide a spotless veil, which will have no limit or end. I will keep watching you. My love for you is coming out in form of many blessings [ashirwad]. These are the greetings for Diwali. Your forever loving Mother, Nirmala”

Translation of a Hindi letter, 21 October 1976. My dear Sahaja Yogis, my dear children, Let this Diwali enlighten you with light of love. You yourself are the lamps which burn high and don’t get pressed by the cover. They become much more powerful than the cover. It is their own asset. When they are hit upon, they are disturbed and extinguished. Why are our lamps disturbed? You should think over it. Is there no transparent sheath around them? Have you forgotten your Mother’s love and therefore you are so disturbed? As the glass protects the lamp, in the same way my love will protect you. But the glass should be kept clean. How can I explain? Have I to say like Shri Krishna, “Leave all religions and surrender to me” or as Shri Jesus, “I am the way, I am the door”? I want to tell that I am that destination. But will you people accept it? Will this fact go to your hearts? Although what I say is distorted, the Truth will always stand. You cannot change what It is. Only you will remain ignorant and backward. I am unhappy because of that. Diwali is the day of real aspirations. Invoke the whole universe. Many lamps have to be lit and looked after. Add the oil of love. Kundalini is the wick and awaken the Kundalini of others with light of the Spirit within you. This flame of Kundalini will be kindled and once within you will become the torch. Torch is not extinguished. Then there will be spotless sheath of my love. It will neither have any limits nor any end. I will be watching you. My love for you is showering as many, many blessings. Yours always loving Mother NIRMALA (Here is another translation.) Dear Sahaja Yogis, my children, May this Diwali enlighten you all with its light! You are the lamps yourself. The lamps that are lit, can’t be suppressed by covering over. On the contrary, they will get more powerful. This is their own treasure [quality]. When there is an attack on them, they get unstable [flicker] and extinguish. Why do your lamps [flames] get unstable? This must be given some thought. Isn’t there a conspicuous armour on them? Have you forgotten your Mother’s love? Is that the reason that you are unstable? Just as a glass shields the lamp, my love is going to protect you. But you must keep this glass clean. How do I explain? Would I have to say like Krishna, "Give up all your dharmas, and take refuge with only One” [that’s I, Krishna] or like Jesus Christ must have said, “I’m the path, I am the door”? I want to tell you that I am the destination. But can you accept this and can the concept be assimilated? Whatever I say, even if it would be portrayed as the opposite, whatever is the truth will remain so. You can’t change its form. [If you try] you will stay ignorant and backward. That’s what makes me sad. Diwali is the day of new invocation. Go invoke the whole world. Many lamps are to be lit. We’ve to decorate them. Put the oil of love in these, the wick [for the flame] is the Kundalini and using the light within you, awaken the Kundalini within others. As the flames of the Kundalini light up, torches will light up within. Torches don’t extinguish. And my pure love will provide a spotless veil, which will have no limit or end. I will keep watching you. My love for you is coming out in form of many blessings [ashirwad]. These are the greetings for Diwali. Your forever loving Mother, Nirmala”

12/18/1976

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2nd Talk

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Marathi

2nd Talk, Mumbai, India 1976-12-18 I have come to Khare village today to meet all of you. These coincidences are predestined from our earlier lives. We’ll not understand easily why they happen because we do not know our previous lives. But as these meetings are predestined, it is the right time to meet all of you in this life time also. Sahajayoga will prosper in rural areas .I know that. Because the people living in the city consider themselves very wise. Most of them are book worms. If they do not think that way, then they consider themselves something special on the basis of money and power. They think that they have created the whole world. He also created the sky. And they are the lords of the world. And there is no such thing as God in the world. Whenever they do any unrighteous thing they do not fear of displeasing God and they never think that they are doing this unrighteous deed. The rural population of our country or rural Mumbai still remembers God. Our India is a land of yoga. And Ram and Sita have sanctified all the land by travelling on foot. They have made it sacred. In the rural society there is simplicity, innocence and devotion to the Lord. (not clear) people do but many people extract money by telling lies. Money is extracted from innocent people by telling them some lies about God and creating strange feelings in them. It is happening in every village. This is very sad. But Lord Shankara is behind the innocent people and protects them. Lord is enticed by simple people, and he always stands by them. But faith in the Lord must not be lost even for a moment. You have to remember simple things that Lord cannot be bought in the market .Or a person who represents the Lord cannot take any money from you. If he robs money from you, he is not a man of the Lord. So if he is asking for money for any reason, you have to tell him straight away that we have nothing to do with you. Secondly in the cities there are more diseases than in the rural areas. It is quite surprising. It is because of the clean air environment as well as the sacred work. People's minds are pure. But our Sahajayogis have also done a great job in eradicating the disease, and once you have attained the degree of enlightenment in Sahaja yoga, you don't need anything like a doctor, and all diseases, mental or physical, are gone forever. You don't have to pay any money for Sahaja yoga, you don't have to do any special work for it, there is no hard work, just like a seed grows by itself, the seed in you sprouts. There is a sprout in you, and that sprout is called Kundalini by [UNCLEAR]. As every seed has a seedling, in the same manner there is a seedling in each one of you but if one seed is not (inaudible) or the seed is not fully grown, then the sprouting takes time. We just pour the water of our love on that seed or that bud and do nothing else. Anyway one cannot do much about it since the seed grows automatically. In the same way, the bud that the Lord has placed in you will come up automatically. Only difference is that, even if you have a lamp that you have decorated, it does not burn automatically, it should be brought near a burning lamp. In the same way, even in Sahaja yoga, the lamp that is lit can light the unlit lamp. But when other lamps are lit, they can also light other lamps. So that's the process. If the wick of a lamp has slipped down, a lamp is broken, or when there is a shortage of oil in a lamp, these things can be rectified beforehand easily in Sahaja yoga. Kundalini is your mother. And she accompanies you in each of your previous lives and you know how sacred a mother is. This holiness is your mother and she is waiting for the right moment. Whenever she encounters someone who is so overwhelmed with love she arises and you are realised. Today we are going to experiment a bit here. And I hope, for many of you, it will happen so easily that no one will believe that you got it so quickly because you have to fast for it, you have to do this and that (to obtain it). Also he should go to the forest and do penance. It’s like if someone does not know the way to Kalwa he would have to come on foot from Mumbai in search of the place. About fifty years ago, it would have taken him many hours. But if we came by car today, it did not take us that long. It would have even taken hours or days. But we started from there and reached here. In the same way, the progress that we have made in modern times in the material world is like a growth of a tree. If it is grown outside then the roots have definitely grown. Thus this (what I am talking about) is the growth of the roots thus it is not very easy to understand. Because the outside progress of the tree is noticed, the progress of the root cannot be noticed without seeing it first .This is the work of the roots. If the root is able to find the source (of water) or a spring then there is no question of the tree dying or suffering in any way. It can get the water even if it grows a lot. In the same way Sahaja yoga is found in this modern Kali Yuga. And everyone should use it. Only it is not meant for very shallow minded (unmatured) people . If there are people who make fun of others and are very superficial, even if they have vibrations, they will lose them easily. Faith is needed towards God. If you have no faith in Him why should he do good to you. You say heal our son, but Mataji, we don't have faith in you, so why should I heal him? Just think, even if I say it out of love that I will heal you, there are many Gods involved who will do it. They must agree. Hanuman should agree, Ganesha should agree, Shankara should agree, Krishna should agree that this man is right, otherwise they say there is no need to help him. They are just shallow minded people who have come here for their selfish purposes and there is no point in helping them. Thousands of people have been healed through Sahaja yoga. The diseases are cured. Apart from that, thousands of people who have been realised are also curing other people. In Sahaja yoga, it should be kept in mind that man does not know everything about himself, he does not understand what happens to us after we die. Who we were before we were born? What will happen in the future? When he doesn't know all these things about himself, he has to follow some rules of Sahaja yoga. I mean, it's a small thing that you don't allow to put kumkum on you except from a realised person. You should not allow others to touch your forehead. So usually you will ask the question, Mataji, why is that? (Inaudible) waves are flowing. As we say, someone has a good hand or someone’s hand is not good, his hand is good for agriculture, his hand is good for medicine. It is because these waves (vibrations) are flowing from your hands. If the person from whose hand the bad vibrations flow touch your forehead, you may start having bad thoughts . So you should be very careful with your forehead. This is a rule in Sahaja yoga that the foreheads of men are made by God after giving it a lot of thought. That is why we should think twice before bowing to anyone. If you walk around bowing your head in front of everyone and one of them is a monster then the vices in him will easily come to you. These are some of the rules, if you follow them, you will be able to settle in Sahaja yoga. And Sahaja yoga is a great gift. You may be surprised if some people here tell you about the experiences of Sahaja yoga. Once a Sahaja yogi was travelling by a train and the train met with an accident. The whole train was upside down but not one person was injured. There was a small child who was thrown far away but nothing happened to him. People were surprised. How did it happen? Accidents like this are avoided. You might say how does this happen? Now we have a lot of faith in Hanuman. Every now and then we ask him for his help. There is also a Hanumana temple in the village. But we do not realise that he is everywhere. We are not connected to him otherwise as soon as we ask for his help he immediately available. Not only that but a Sahaja yogi’s connection is established with God and he is always protected. Ganapati is also everywhere. We have an impression that Ganapati is only found in the temples. But he is everywhere helping everyone. If a Sahaja yogi is in trouble then Ganapati helps him out. We believe in Ganapati, Maruti, we have to celebrate Dattatraya Jayanti, Shankar is also there. We can see our body which is visible. But these deities are everywhere and keeping a guard. We’ll not be able to realise this unless we are connected to God and meet (feel) him. It’s like this mike. Unless and until it is connected to the mains you will not hear anything. In the same way, unless and until you are united with God or get your realisation, whenever you take His name He cannot hear you. But we continuously take his name and call him day and night (inaudible) as if he is our servant. We always ask Him to do some things. Do this do that. Help my father, help my son but do we have any right on Him? What have we done for God? Are we connected with God? It's like we have a president of India. If you want to meet him then you have to send him a letter, take his permission. But instead if you go and sit before him (office/house) and ask him to come and do your work, then won’t the police come and arrest you? So one should have a right and the proof of the right (authority) is that you should feel the vibrations as Shankaracharya has said. And this is exactly what is happening today. It’s not just talk about God. We can prove the existence of God. Even you can do it. But it is not meant for Tom, Dick and Harry (Yerya gabalache kaam nohe). One should have devotion. If you are a simple and an innocent person with an urge to realise God then you can attain great heights. (Inaudible) We do not become saints by simply wearing saffron clothes or shaving off the hair. Otherwise a sheep is shaved daily. Does it become a saint? We do not become saints by changing clothes. Changing outside attire do not make you a saint. We (in Maharashtra) have known a lot of saints. We had Saint Tukaram. He had not taken an ascetic life. No saint requires to take to asceticism as he is an ascetic from inside. From inside he is changed so he does not require to make a show outside. Whatever has to happen, happens inside and we feel it inside. It's possible that some persons might feel that we have felt the vibrations for some time. Maybe ten persons might feel them and four persons might not feel. So these four persons who have not felt will start speaking with hatred that it is all falsehood, this and that. So that these ten persons who have felt will also start following those four persons because a human being’s brain is partial. This is a very new experience. And one should establish in this experience. You can say that it should happen in a split of a second or in a minute. It happens quickly but to be established in this new state you should steady yourself. Some efforts are needed. Thus you should do it (efforts) after realisation, not before. Today they have called me to Kalwa. But I do not know what is the further programme. I wish that everyone should go into meditation and if you can get your realisation in the meditation it will be a good thing. Later on I can also see some persons who are not well. But if you have any questions you can ask. I’ll be glad to answer them. Do you have any questions? Yes you can come forward and ask In Hindi: Question: With your grace I received my realisation but……… Shri Mataji: OK This thought does not come to us that this is a cemetery. Cemeteries must be always outside the village. But some people try to occupy them even if it a cemetery. In Mumbai there is a cemetery near my house and they have built a playing ground for small children. So these children will certainly be affected because there are all the graveyards. Human beings do not take into consideration these things. Modern man does not have this wisdom. In the same way there are buildings constructed (colonies). Thus both of you should take some Kumkum with you to protect you. Later on when you will know, you will realise that you have been protected from a big trouble. People become mad, go to a (mad) asylum, get sick and die but they do not realise how did it happen in our house? Even small children (are affected). Since you do not know about yourself how can you know about others? What happened to this person? Who is he? Just take a small example. You go to the temple. God is in the temple thus we have to bow before him. Having temple is necessary. But if the priest in the temple is a thief and is doing all sorts of bad things, doing black magic and he gives you a prasad. Will it not go in your stomach? If you are a simple person you will not know but if you are a Sahaja yogi, as soon as you eat such things you will vomit and throw it out. They cannot stay in your stomach. Otherwise you come home have a stomach-ache which may become worse and thus have to be admitted to the hospital and you die. We did not understand what happened Shri Mataji? All these things can be understood once you start understanding yourself and thus others also. Because you have not known yourself. You have to first realise the strength of the power you have within yourself. As soon as you realise that you will understand what is the wrong with this person or that person. If his defect is causing you a problem then you can even protect yourself from him after identifying the problem. Hindi: (Inaudible) Shri Mataji: You also try come there (to the centers). They will make you a master of the kundalini. Those who are sitting here are masters in the knowledge of kundalini. They have cured thousands of people. This person is from Dhulia, She opened a center and has cured thousands of people. Her son is also a doctor and another son is a big landlord. When they opened a center they could cure thousands of people. Those who are cured told that, now they do not take medicine even of one paisa. Their children are realised and everyone is realised. Now in your Kalwa you should all do it (open a center), put your mind to it and get it. In Sahaja yoga that you get your realisation on one day and you forget it the next day. You should understand that if I give you electricity but not tell you how to put it on then how will you know (the benefits of it)? You should learn a few things. There are only 2 to 4 things to be remembered. If you remember these things then you will not have any problems. You should give bandhan to yourself, foot soak. Only doing a few things can make you alright. It is not necessary to do many things. But you should do it otherwise it does not work. It’s the work of God so you have to learn some things. For a small thing like electricity people take years to learn. But this is the work of God so you have to learn certain things. Even you have to learn which finger to use during the puja, which sort of flower to offer. There is a meaning to all these small things which you should try to learn. Shri Mataji: You can ask questions. Do you have any questions? (………….) Like drinking alcohol. I do not forbid to drink alcohol but after being in Sahaja yoga you cannot drink alcohol. If you drink alcohol immediately you will vomit. It cannot stay inside you. It will be difficult. You will have problems if you smoke. After Sahaja yoga if you try to smoke then you will have problems. Then your mind will say I will not smoke and quit smoking. With us (Sahaja yogis) nobody smokes. They quit smoking by themselves- automatically. I do not tell them not to smoke but they quit smoking by themselves. There was a gentleman in Singapore. He used to drink (alcohol) a lot. His wife brought him to me so that he quits smoking. He got his realisation. Afterwards, it so happened that whenever he tried to drink, he used to have a fragrance. The fragrance was so strong that he quit drinking and started inhaling only the fragrance.

2nd Talk, Mumbai, India 1976-12-18 I have come to Khare village today to meet all of you. These coincidences are predestined from our earlier lives. We’ll not understand easily why they happen because we do not know our previous lives. But as these meetings are predestined, it is the right time to meet all of you in this life time also. Sahajayoga will prosper in rural areas .I know that. Because the people living in the city consider themselves very wise. Most of them are book worms. If they do not think that way, then they consider themselves something special on the basis of money and power. They think that they have created the whole world. He also created the sky. And they are the lords of the world. And there is no such thing as God in the world. Whenever they do any unrighteous thing they do not fear of displeasing God and they never think that they are doing this unrighteous deed. The rural population of our country or rural Mumbai still remembers God. Our India is a land of yoga. And Ram and Sita have sanctified all the land by travelling on foot. They have made it sacred. In the rural society there is simplicity, innocence and devotion to the Lord. (not clear) people do but many people extract money by telling lies. Money is extracted from innocent people by telling them some lies about God and creating strange feelings in them. It is happening in every village. This is very sad. But Lord Shankara is behind the innocent people and protects them. Lord is enticed by simple people, and he always stands by them. But faith in the Lord must not be lost even for a moment. You have to remember simple things that Lord cannot be bought in the market .Or a person who represents the Lord cannot take any money from you. If he robs money from you, he is not a man of the Lord. So if he is asking for money for any reason, you have to tell him straight away that we have nothing to do with you. Secondly in the cities there are more diseases than in the rural areas. It is quite surprising. It is because of the clean air environment as well as the sacred work. People's minds are pure. But our Sahajayogis have also done a great job in eradicating the disease, and once you have attained the degree of enlightenment in Sahaja yoga, you don't need anything like a doctor, and all diseases, mental or physical, are gone forever. You don't have to pay any money for Sahaja yoga, you don't have to do any special work for it, there is no hard work, just like a seed grows by itself, the seed in you sprouts. There is a sprout in you, and that sprout is called Kundalini by [UNCLEAR]. As every seed has a seedling, in the same manner there is a seedling in each one of you but if one seed is not (inaudible) or the seed is not fully grown, then the sprouting takes time. We just pour the water of our love on that seed or that bud and do nothing else. Anyway one cannot do much about it since the seed grows automatically. In the same way, the bud that the Lord has placed in you will come up automatically. Only difference is that, even if you have a lamp that you have decorated, it does not burn automatically, it should be brought near a burning lamp. In the same way, even in Sahaja yoga, the lamp that is lit can light the unlit lamp. But when other lamps are lit, they can also light other lamps. So that's the process. If the wick of a lamp has slipped down, a lamp is broken, or when there is a shortage of oil in a lamp, these things can be rectified beforehand easily in Sahaja yoga. Kundalini is your mother. And she accompanies you in each of your previous lives and you know how sacred a mother is. This holiness is your mother and she is waiting for the right moment. Whenever she encounters someone who is so overwhelmed with love she arises and you are realised. Today we are going to experiment a bit here. And I hope, for many of you, it will happen so easily that no one will believe that you got it so quickly because you have to fast for it, you have to do this and that (to obtain it). Also he should go to the forest and do penance. It’s like if someone does not know the way to Kalwa he would have to come on foot from Mumbai in search of the place. About fifty years ago, it would have taken him many hours. But if we came by car today, it did not take us that long. It would have even taken hours or days. But we started from there and reached here. In the same way, the progress that we have made in modern times in the material world is like a growth of a tree. If it is grown outside then the roots have definitely grown. Thus this (what I am talking about) is the growth of the roots thus it is not very easy to understand. Because the outside progress of the tree is noticed, the progress of the root cannot be noticed without seeing it first .This is the work of the roots. If the root is able to find the source (of water) or a spring then there is no question of the tree dying or suffering in any way. It can get the water even if it grows a lot. In the same way Sahaja yoga is found in this modern Kali Yuga. And everyone should use it. Only it is not meant for very shallow minded (unmatured) people . If there are people who make fun of others and are very superficial, even if they have vibrations, they will lose them easily. Faith is needed towards God. If you have no faith in Him why should he do good to you. You say heal our son, but Mataji, we don't have faith in you, so why should I heal him? Just think, even if I say it out of love that I will heal you, there are many Gods involved who will do it. They must agree. Hanuman should agree, Ganesha should agree, Shankara should agree, Krishna should agree that this man is right, otherwise they say there is no need to help him. They are just shallow minded people who have come here for their selfish purposes and there is no point in helping them. Thousands of people have been healed through Sahaja yoga. The diseases are cured. Apart from that, thousands of people who have been realised are also curing other people. In Sahaja yoga, it should be kept in mind that man does not know everything about himself, he does not understand what happens to us after we die. Who we were before we were born? What will happen in the future? When he doesn't know all these things about himself, he has to follow some rules of Sahaja yoga. I mean, it's a small thing that you don't allow to put kumkum on you except from a realised person. You should not allow others to touch your forehead. So usually you will ask the question, Mataji, why is that? (Inaudible) waves are flowing. As we say, someone has a good hand or someone’s hand is not good, his hand is good for agriculture, his hand is good for medicine. It is because these waves (vibrations) are flowing from your hands. If the person from whose hand the bad vibrations flow touch your forehead, you may start having bad thoughts . So you should be very careful with your forehead. This is a rule in Sahaja yoga that the foreheads of men are made by God after giving it a lot of thought. That is why we should think twice before bowing to anyone. If you walk around bowing your head in front of everyone and one of them is a monster then the vices in him will easily come to you. These are some of the rules, if you follow them, you will be able to settle in Sahaja yoga. And Sahaja yoga is a great gift. You may be surprised if some people here tell you about the experiences of Sahaja yoga. Once a Sahaja yogi was travelling by a train and the train met with an accident. The whole train was upside down but not one person was injured. There was a small child who was thrown far away but nothing happened to him. People were surprised. How did it happen? Accidents like this are avoided. You might say how does this happen? Now we have a lot of faith in Hanuman. Every now and then we ask him for his help. There is also a Hanumana temple in the village. But we do not realise that he is everywhere. We are not connected to him otherwise as soon as we ask for his help he immediately available. Not only that but a Sahaja yogi’s connection is established with God and he is always protected. Ganapati is also everywhere. We have an impression that Ganapati is only found in the temples. But he is everywhere helping everyone. If a Sahaja yogi is in trouble then Ganapati helps him out. We believe in Ganapati, Maruti, we have to celebrate Dattatraya Jayanti, Shankar is also there. We can see our body which is visible. But these deities are everywhere and keeping a guard. We’ll not be able to realise this unless we are connected to God and meet (feel) him. It’s like this mike. Unless and until it is connected to the mains you will not hear anything. In the same way, unless and until you are united with God or get your realisation, whenever you take His name He cannot hear you. But we continuously take his name and call him day and night (inaudible) as if he is our servant. We always ask Him to do some things. Do this do that. Help my father, help my son but do we have any right on Him? What have we done for God? Are we connected with God? It's like we have a president of India. If you want to meet him then you have to send him a letter, take his permission. But instead if you go and sit before him (office/house) and ask him to come and do your work, then won’t the police come and arrest you? So one should have a right and the proof of the right (authority) is that you should feel the vibrations as Shankaracharya has said. And this is exactly what is happening today. It’s not just talk about God. We can prove the existence of God. Even you can do it. But it is not meant for Tom, Dick and Harry (Yerya gabalache kaam nohe). One should have devotion. If you are a simple and an innocent person with an urge to realise God then you can attain great heights. (Inaudible) We do not become saints by simply wearing saffron clothes or shaving off the hair. Otherwise a sheep is shaved daily. Does it become a saint? We do not become saints by changing clothes. Changing outside attire do not make you a saint. We (in Maharashtra) have known a lot of saints. We had Saint Tukaram. He had not taken an ascetic life. No saint requires to take to asceticism as he is an ascetic from inside. From inside he is changed so he does not require to make a show outside. Whatever has to happen, happens inside and we feel it inside. It's possible that some persons might feel that we have felt the vibrations for some time. Maybe ten persons might feel them and four persons might not feel. So these four persons who have not felt will start speaking with hatred that it is all falsehood, this and that. So that these ten persons who have felt will also start following those four persons because a human being’s brain is partial. This is a very new experience. And one should establish in this experience. You can say that it should happen in a split of a second or in a minute. It happens quickly but to be established in this new state you should steady yourself. Some efforts are needed. Thus you should do it (efforts) after realisation, not before. Today they have called me to Kalwa. But I do not know what is the further programme. I wish that everyone should go into meditation and if you can get your realisation in the meditation it will be a good thing. Later on I can also see some persons who are not well. But if you have any questions you can ask. I’ll be glad to answer them. Do you have any questions? Yes you can come forward and ask In Hindi: Question: With your grace I received my realisation but……… Shri Mataji: OK This thought does not come to us that this is a cemetery. Cemeteries must be always outside the village. But some people try to occupy them even if it a cemetery. In Mumbai there is a cemetery near my house and they have built a playing ground for small children. So these children will certainly be affected because there are all the graveyards. Human beings do not take into consideration these things. Modern man does not have this wisdom. In the same way there are buildings constructed (colonies). Thus both of you should take some Kumkum with you to protect you. Later on when you will know, you will realise that you have been protected from a big trouble. People become mad, go to a (mad) asylum, get sick and die but they do not realise how did it happen in our house? Even small children (are affected). Since you do not know about yourself how can you know about others? What happened to this person? Who is he? Just take a small example. You go to the temple. God is in the temple thus we have to bow before him. Having temple is necessary. But if the priest in the temple is a thief and is doing all sorts of bad things, doing black magic and he gives you a prasad. Will it not go in your stomach? If you are a simple person you will not know but if you are a Sahaja yogi, as soon as you eat such things you will vomit and throw it out. They cannot stay in your stomach. Otherwise you come home have a stomach-ache which may become worse and thus have to be admitted to the hospital and you die. We did not understand what happened Shri Mataji? All these things can be understood once you start understanding yourself and thus others also. Because you have not known yourself. You have to first realise the strength of the power you have within yourself. As soon as you realise that you will understand what is the wrong with this person or that person. If his defect is causing you a problem then you can even protect yourself from him after identifying the problem. Hindi: (Inaudible) Shri Mataji: You also try come there (to the centers). They will make you a master of the kundalini. Those who are sitting here are masters in the knowledge of kundalini. They have cured thousands of people. This person is from Dhulia, She opened a center and has cured thousands of people. Her son is also a doctor and another son is a big landlord. When they opened a center they could cure thousands of people. Those who are cured told that, now they do not take medicine even of one paisa. Their children are realised and everyone is realised. Now in your Kalwa you should all do it (open a center), put your mind to it and get it. In Sahaja yoga that you get your realisation on one day and you forget it the next day. You should understand that if I give you electricity but not tell you how to put it on then how will you know (the benefits of it)? You should learn a few things. There are only 2 to 4 things to be remembered. If you remember these things then you will not have any problems. You should give bandhan to yourself, foot soak. Only doing a few things can make you alright. It is not necessary to do many things. But you should do it otherwise it does not work. It’s the work of God so you have to learn some things. For a small thing like electricity people take years to learn. But this is the work of God so you have to learn certain things. Even you have to learn which finger to use during the puja, which sort of flower to offer. There is a meaning to all these small things which you should try to learn. Shri Mataji: You can ask questions. Do you have any questions? (………….) Like drinking alcohol. I do not forbid to drink alcohol but after being in Sahaja yoga you cannot drink alcohol. If you drink alcohol immediately you will vomit. It cannot stay inside you. It will be difficult. You will have problems if you smoke. After Sahaja yoga if you try to smoke then you will have problems. Then your mind will say I will not smoke and quit smoking. With us (Sahaja yogis) nobody smokes. They quit smoking by themselves- automatically. I do not tell them not to smoke but they quit smoking by themselves. There was a gentleman in Singapore. He used to drink (alcohol) a lot. His wife brought him to me so that he quits smoking. He got his realisation. Afterwards, it so happened that whenever he tried to drink, he used to have a fragrance. The fragrance was so strong that he quit drinking and started inhaling only the fragrance.

12/18/1976

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Sahajyogyan Madhe Dharma Sthapna Zali Pahije 18th December 1976 Place Mumbai Seminar Sahaja Yoga work is very special. I told you earlier that I have created you all of a new model like Ganpati [Shri Ganesha]. This is a new method. You took it especially because you deserve that to accept it. I did not give an improper donation. I know your worthiness step by step. All that can be said is that due to the love of the mother, very gently, lovingly, very carefully, this work has been done, but if we did not have that ability, it would not have happened. Today, thousands of people are running from one place to another. People are crazy. Do not think that what has been said in the scriptures to this day is a testimony to the great philosophers, and great Lord Krishna, from time immemorial. Why don’t these people think about it? In any scripture, whether it is written by Muhammad or recited by Christians or recited by Lord Krishna in the Gita, the principle is that you should know the Self’ within yourself and you gain its power. But with that being said, people are reluctant to do this because people don’t understand the truth. If it is untrue, it will be understood immediately and it will be accepted because of the habit of walking on the path of untruth. What is the last step that human beings have reached by holding on to more lies? They are moving towards the hell. Hell is in a state of desperation. You can see it in Kali Yuga. The father does not trust the child, the child does not trust the mother. The whole world is in turmoil. In such a situation, people are hesitant, to tell the truth. It is as if someone is suddenly brought out of the darkness and his eyes light up and he does not want to go back as light. Then in Sahaja Yoga, many people will not come at once and whatever comes will fall and collapse. Even if I put them in place, they will run back. This condition will continue for some time to come, but the only cure for it is to do what Sahaja Yoga is. Called permanence or world-famous, no matter what we are, we don’t have any features or we don’t get anything. We have been what we are from birth. So, we have nothing to give or take. If we were then, people would only say that Mataji was Adishakti. Since they are Adishakti themselves, what do you tell us about them? Then, people will look at you all and see what has changed in Sahaja Yoga, "Was their religion established? Because Dharmasthapana [establishment of Dharma] was not the first time. Did Mataji establish Dharma for the first time in Kali Yuga? Where will she do it? In your navel chakra? Whether it is a religion from you or not, whether you are religious or not, if this is proved first?" Some people should look at you and say what has changed between them, "What a man! He has a wonderful glow." If we have a lamp, people will say, "It has been a lamp in the sky for many days. What is his greatness? Many came and went. The lamp we [had to] lit was never lit. [In Marathi: the lights went on.]" So, it shouldn’t happen. People should understand from your light that we decorated Diwali with lamps and there can be no bigger public news than this. Tomorrow we'll appear in the newspaper, the photo came. Then what Mataji’s photo is there! It is real. Of course! So, what’s next ‘No matter how much you say that, "Adishakti, but what about us?" So why do you go to that false guru? "So, I want to go to the false guru that he is just showing his best, his tricks." He is glad if you give him some money! But they say to Mataji, "You show the maximum." That’s where Mataji misses. They want to do what they want to do, but they expect us to do it, "If you want money, we will give it." Let’s do hard work, but we should establish Dharma. We should see love. People in the world should say, ‘What a shining man" This is a very difficult task, then how can Sahaja Yoga come together because, "We will continue to do the business we want to do."? I told you yesterday, I had gone to Singapore, where a Guru Baba was fleeing. Because he told everyone to smuggle, do anything, keep as many wives, keep men, but give money here. Eventually, all their smuggled goods were seized. That’s when they came to me, said, "Now go and ask them." So this thing doesn’t appeal to a man at all. Take anyone now, I say, "I saw so many realized monks. Saw a lot."! He was from Ambernath, he was our Maharaj. Some don’t do anything to anyone. And said, "Maharaj, why don’t you say something?" "Let them die because they say that they have no merit. Why give them?" I do not say so. I have already said that you deserve it. It is said that there is merit and it is true that it is given. No one, no one among you, doubts that. So that’s how different it is inside. We have to look inside to see how far he has come and look at the mistakes we have made or the side and see our weaknesses. A Sahaja Yogi is like a lighthouse. Tell me why I have to work so hard after establishing so many Ganeshas? What do I need to break the straps, if I have one like your fit? Kundalini you can lift. People can cross. Millions of rupees will come to your feet if you sit in a monastery. Why should I work so hard? The only thing missing is that you still don’t understand what you have got! Ah, even those who did not have domestic awareness built the ashram of the ashram. “We are ordinary people, we are householders.” It happened on the outside. What are you from the inside? Obstacles will run from where the feet fall. I know, if you have the power to separate water, if it doesn’t come out of the milk, then I don’t know what to say to him first. What is Chakra Dharatay [imbalance of Chakra]? You don’t have to work so hard. Just standing as a witness in absolute neutrality will break the whole cycle. Because everything is a lie. Just look at why everything falls apart as soon as you stand where you are! Just stick it there. I want to take a little bit of attention inside. You are standing there. The clothes are the same. Behavior is the same. There is a husband, there is a wife, there are children, there is the whole world, there is society. But if you go inside the mind, you have to remember that the devotion of the whole world is behind you. This is your Mother earth standing up for your protection. All the stars are there for your protection, whatever you want. But to put it bluntly, you are ashamed like a new bride. I have said hundreds of times that there is no Sahaja Yoga for half-people. If you are strong and brave, then come. If there are some then also works, but they should be brave. I gave him a horse, put him on a horse, taught him how to ride a horse, but still crying people! Then tell me what to do? Now shall I stick you to a horse? Your chakras should not catch. Truly your chakras don’t catch. Now, look at this. If you understand how Maya is in this, you will know you are an instrument. You are an instrument like a computer. You tell the news you get. Now suppose if one’s Agnya is catching, then that information of Agnya catching comes to you. But he is your brother, then Mataji should remove his Agnya problem! That is, you became obedient. "This is my brother, this is my cousin, this is my aunt, this is my son", what to do? I mean, hold on. Who is yours? You wander in your own, monotonous, within you, in your joy, in your state. And what is there is yours. And will always be? It should be left a little on the outside so that the chakras do not catch. Only information is coming. Some will get more, some will get less. Then you will feel that chakras will not catch. Then your attention is there. You said, "Mother, this chakra is blocked." Why? How is that you have been caught? Because you have been caught by a neighbour? It is a lie to know. What is his fear? I mean, as we call bagulbuwa, you’re just holding on. You really can’t hold anything in it. Many people now say that if someone was a guru, if they gave something to someone, they would get the disease, "He was cured by tobacco, he got sick." Many of you have cured these people by giving them vibrations. Do you know who got a sickness? In reality, here Ganga washes your feet, from morning till evening. And you stood here saying, "This one catching that one is catching." People sitting on thrones should not do that. That is to say, the behavior on the outside is due to the inner cowardice, the inner cowardice. Must live like a king. A day before yesterday met a gentleman in Delhi. He said to me, "I am very simple. Live simply. Mataji, don’t you mind?" You are a king. So, if the first thought of personality stands up, it should feel like someone is standing up, like a decent person. So, if we stand up easily, it seems that these people have come from some prison. Remember how much power you have, that Mataji has given you something special. It’s very special, I said, "I also learned the alchemy of this. Because of your scams, it’s all stuck in your Kundalini." How to solve them and get you on this path? All the hard work on how to get you here has been done first and then you have been saved. We must first establish our religion. Religion is very important. If a person has his religion, then Sahaja Yoga is not possible. Religion is a very simple task. Extremely forbidden. The first thing to do is to give up whatever is excessive, not to come in the middle! Don’t overdo it. There should be no excess in anything. Don’t be stubborn. It should not be like following someone like crazy. Easy even laughing-playing. Ati Varjayate is now a simple thing in Dharma. Do not drink alcohol. Don’t smoke. Such are these monstrous plants. Alcohol is a kind of monstrous alcoholic beverage. There are such. There are monstrous things in the world. Don’t use that. Don’t overdo it. This is especially a problem for householders. When it comes to eating, there is a bit too much curiosity about eating. How much cooking do they know? "Let’s make some different dishes [recipe]!"Then the women sat on the men’s heads, after spoiling their tongue. So too much to eat, like from morning to evening. Eating spoils children. It is also a madness for a wife to spoil her husband and then the liver is spoiled. ‘Too taboo. If not fasting. No eating at all, fasting! Don’t want to eat it, don’t want to eat that. Seven days a week do fasting and just eat fruits. Don’t overdo and overthink about food. Even the clothes. Whether stay without clothes or change clothes three times a day. Whether something works in the centre or not? Wear clean, neat, well-fitting clothes. Don’t pay too much attention to it either. The householder is very much in need. And the only advantage they have is that they can’t overdo it because they have a baby. After all, the kids draw well. If there is such a lunatic in the house, people laugh when he was overwhelmed. What to do? We should not be overly concerned about the things that are in Satan’s kingdom. Now, what is the greatest religion of man? If someone asks me, "Mataji, what is the religion of man?", now seeing so many people, the only thing I think is very important is that this is your head don’t bend to anyone. Once this head bent then difficult to get your realization. All false gurus have come, don’t bend your head in front of them. There is no need Sahaja Yogis to bend to anyone, even no need to bend to Sahaja Yogi or Yogi. Are you less than others? Once Agnya gets blocked then it’s difficult to get over with that blockage. If you are in form of Shri Ganesha, then Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh [Lord Shiva] even can't go ahead of you. You can see with this law. See and check on vibrations what I am saying, is that right or wrong. Only as my name is Nirmala that way you keep yourself nirmal [pure]. This only the word, Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh [Lord Shiva] even can’t touch you. You don’t have to bow down your head to anyone. So many Gurubaba [Gurus] can’t touch my head. Even River Ganga can’t climb on my head. But you can touch my head. Did you understand? You are in a good position, sitting on a higher level. If you don’t image good about yourself, that is not sahaj. Means no need to be egoistic, means someone will ask, "You are Adishakti, are you proud yourself?", means, "I am that, why would I feel egoistic?" It means there is no special about this, means what I am, I am that only, like that if you are a Sahaja Yogi, you are that. For that why to have an ego? If, for example, one diamond is there, then it will shine. For that diamond, would diamond feel ego? Ego comes to them who is not a diamond, putting more on their head. It’s opposite in Western countries. Over there so much ego is there in people. They believe themselves demons. That is why they went there from here, to cheat them, sent people [exported from here], some bad people went there. Their ego has to break it. No need to say anything. Carrying big cigarettes and moving like the donkey. They are foolish, more than foolish. I can’t describe their foolishness, will tell you sometime later. Now there are kids and children. No need to say anything. They have received awards of foolishness in their ego. This means no need to give any other awards that much they are foolish. They do whatever they like in their foolishness. It means here even mad people will not do that. One way, and yours is another way. How much it will be said but you will stay like that; how much I have said, "Be humble, keep your heads down", but it will not happen that way. These two kinds of people where we are a little bit of space. We have got it because of Sahaja Yogis, in the centre little space, that has to increase. Then you see our work. Now what Sahaja Yogis have to do, establish the Dharma. Then work, have to know in this matter and bring the auspiciousness, look at the other ladies other than your wife in the form of Mother. Not difficult, it’s a very easy thing. But in Kali Yuga so much inauspiciousness is spread which goes in nose, eyes. In the olden days, our parents used to say everyone has to walk with eyes down on mother earth. If anyone walked with her eyes up, the neighbours would immediately go to her mother and tell her, "Your daughter was walking with her eyes up." Well. Then we committed many crimes and then the mother would shout at the girls. If someone said to the father, "Hey, your grandfather was walking on his eyes up", then there will be a problem. No food and water for him to eat and drink. "Why were you staring up, where was your attention?’" The first question used to be, "Where the attention is?" This is the story I am telling of twenty-five years ago. Now, that you have become independent, you have to keep your eyes on the ground. She is your grandmother. Always keep your eyes on the ground. To live in her blessings, we must humble ourselves and remember the earth. The third thing is the meaning, in terms of money; how a person should behave in terms of money. He does not get money by greed for money like that or he does not get money by looking around like another person has more than two things and he does not get money by cutting his throat because he has money. And you have seen that even those who get money do not get happiness and joy. Now with wisdom, you can perpetuate the idea that money does not bring happiness. So, what does it bring? Money is a part, so what is the part of the money? At that time, I had mentioned the form of Lakshmi before, the form should be satisfied, satisfied attitude. Man becomes a king in accepting what he gets. Ah, the satisfied one is the king. He who is not satisfied is a beggar. There is a simple calculation. He who is not satisfied, no matter how great he may be, is a beggar no matter how great he may be, and he who is satisfied, even if he looks poor, is a king. So, satisfaction should be considered and not difficult for you. We have given it to you in Sahaja Yoga, satisfaction. Now I will tell you a little bit about how to assume and how to do it because all these questions come to a person because of thoughts. Thoughts don’t come, then questions will not come. So, if you start thinking too much about anything, if you go too far, you will pick up the thought and throw it at the feet of Mataji, which we call unconscious mind. Unconscious mind, it is there. He used to throw all his thoughts there. Then we pick it up. If you have a question about tomorrow’s income tax, then don’t think. He would bring it and throw it at our feet. It’s not going to be the way you want it to be but what is good for you will happen, it will be beneficial. And that is what is beneficial!

Sahajyogyan Madhe Dharma Sthapna Zali Pahije 18th December 1976 Place Mumbai Seminar Sahaja Yoga work is very special. I told you earlier that I have created you all of a new model like Ganpati [Shri Ganesha]. This is a new method. You took it especially because you deserve that to accept it. I did not give an improper donation. I know your worthiness step by step. All that can be said is that due to the love of the mother, very gently, lovingly, very carefully, this work has been done, but if we did not have that ability, it would not have happened. Today, thousands of people are running from one place to another. People are crazy. Do not think that what has been said in the scriptures to this day is a testimony to the great philosophers, and great Lord Krishna, from time immemorial. Why don’t these people think about it? In any scripture, whether it is written by Muhammad or recited by Christians or recited by Lord Krishna in the Gita, the principle is that you should know the Self’ within yourself and you gain its power. But with that being said, people are reluctant to do this because people don’t understand the truth. If it is untrue, it will be understood immediately and it will be accepted because of the habit of walking on the path of untruth. What is the last step that human beings have reached by holding on to more lies? They are moving towards the hell. Hell is in a state of desperation. You can see it in Kali Yuga. The father does not trust the child, the child does not trust the mother. The whole world is in turmoil. In such a situation, people are hesitant, to tell the truth. It is as if someone is suddenly brought out of the darkness and his eyes light up and he does not want to go back as light. Then in Sahaja Yoga, many people will not come at once and whatever comes will fall and collapse. Even if I put them in place, they will run back. This condition will continue for some time to come, but the only cure for it is to do what Sahaja Yoga is. Called permanence or world-famous, no matter what we are, we don’t have any features or we don’t get anything. We have been what we are from birth. So, we have nothing to give or take. If we were then, people would only say that Mataji was Adishakti. Since they are Adishakti themselves, what do you tell us about them? Then, people will look at you all and see what has changed in Sahaja Yoga, "Was their religion established? Because Dharmasthapana [establishment of Dharma] was not the first time. Did Mataji establish Dharma for the first time in Kali Yuga? Where will she do it? In your navel chakra? Whether it is a religion from you or not, whether you are religious or not, if this is proved first?" Some people should look at you and say what has changed between them, "What a man! He has a wonderful glow." If we have a lamp, people will say, "It has been a lamp in the sky for many days. What is his greatness? Many came and went. The lamp we [had to] lit was never lit. [In Marathi: the lights went on.]" So, it shouldn’t happen. People should understand from your light that we decorated Diwali with lamps and there can be no bigger public news than this. Tomorrow we'll appear in the newspaper, the photo came. Then what Mataji’s photo is there! It is real. Of course! So, what’s next ‘No matter how much you say that, "Adishakti, but what about us?" So why do you go to that false guru? "So, I want to go to the false guru that he is just showing his best, his tricks." He is glad if you give him some money! But they say to Mataji, "You show the maximum." That’s where Mataji misses. They want to do what they want to do, but they expect us to do it, "If you want money, we will give it." Let’s do hard work, but we should establish Dharma. We should see love. People in the world should say, ‘What a shining man" This is a very difficult task, then how can Sahaja Yoga come together because, "We will continue to do the business we want to do."? I told you yesterday, I had gone to Singapore, where a Guru Baba was fleeing. Because he told everyone to smuggle, do anything, keep as many wives, keep men, but give money here. Eventually, all their smuggled goods were seized. That’s when they came to me, said, "Now go and ask them." So this thing doesn’t appeal to a man at all. Take anyone now, I say, "I saw so many realized monks. Saw a lot."! He was from Ambernath, he was our Maharaj. Some don’t do anything to anyone. And said, "Maharaj, why don’t you say something?" "Let them die because they say that they have no merit. Why give them?" I do not say so. I have already said that you deserve it. It is said that there is merit and it is true that it is given. No one, no one among you, doubts that. So that’s how different it is inside. We have to look inside to see how far he has come and look at the mistakes we have made or the side and see our weaknesses. A Sahaja Yogi is like a lighthouse. Tell me why I have to work so hard after establishing so many Ganeshas? What do I need to break the straps, if I have one like your fit? Kundalini you can lift. People can cross. Millions of rupees will come to your feet if you sit in a monastery. Why should I work so hard? The only thing missing is that you still don’t understand what you have got! Ah, even those who did not have domestic awareness built the ashram of the ashram. “We are ordinary people, we are householders.” It happened on the outside. What are you from the inside? Obstacles will run from where the feet fall. I know, if you have the power to separate water, if it doesn’t come out of the milk, then I don’t know what to say to him first. What is Chakra Dharatay [imbalance of Chakra]? You don’t have to work so hard. Just standing as a witness in absolute neutrality will break the whole cycle. Because everything is a lie. Just look at why everything falls apart as soon as you stand where you are! Just stick it there. I want to take a little bit of attention inside. You are standing there. The clothes are the same. Behavior is the same. There is a husband, there is a wife, there are children, there is the whole world, there is society. But if you go inside the mind, you have to remember that the devotion of the whole world is behind you. This is your Mother earth standing up for your protection. All the stars are there for your protection, whatever you want. But to put it bluntly, you are ashamed like a new bride. I have said hundreds of times that there is no Sahaja Yoga for half-people. If you are strong and brave, then come. If there are some then also works, but they should be brave. I gave him a horse, put him on a horse, taught him how to ride a horse, but still crying people! Then tell me what to do? Now shall I stick you to a horse? Your chakras should not catch. Truly your chakras don’t catch. Now, look at this. If you understand how Maya is in this, you will know you are an instrument. You are an instrument like a computer. You tell the news you get. Now suppose if one’s Agnya is catching, then that information of Agnya catching comes to you. But he is your brother, then Mataji should remove his Agnya problem! That is, you became obedient. "This is my brother, this is my cousin, this is my aunt, this is my son", what to do? I mean, hold on. Who is yours? You wander in your own, monotonous, within you, in your joy, in your state. And what is there is yours. And will always be? It should be left a little on the outside so that the chakras do not catch. Only information is coming. Some will get more, some will get less. Then you will feel that chakras will not catch. Then your attention is there. You said, "Mother, this chakra is blocked." Why? How is that you have been caught? Because you have been caught by a neighbour? It is a lie to know. What is his fear? I mean, as we call bagulbuwa, you’re just holding on. You really can’t hold anything in it. Many people now say that if someone was a guru, if they gave something to someone, they would get the disease, "He was cured by tobacco, he got sick." Many of you have cured these people by giving them vibrations. Do you know who got a sickness? In reality, here Ganga washes your feet, from morning till evening. And you stood here saying, "This one catching that one is catching." People sitting on thrones should not do that. That is to say, the behavior on the outside is due to the inner cowardice, the inner cowardice. Must live like a king. A day before yesterday met a gentleman in Delhi. He said to me, "I am very simple. Live simply. Mataji, don’t you mind?" You are a king. So, if the first thought of personality stands up, it should feel like someone is standing up, like a decent person. So, if we stand up easily, it seems that these people have come from some prison. Remember how much power you have, that Mataji has given you something special. It’s very special, I said, "I also learned the alchemy of this. Because of your scams, it’s all stuck in your Kundalini." How to solve them and get you on this path? All the hard work on how to get you here has been done first and then you have been saved. We must first establish our religion. Religion is very important. If a person has his religion, then Sahaja Yoga is not possible. Religion is a very simple task. Extremely forbidden. The first thing to do is to give up whatever is excessive, not to come in the middle! Don’t overdo it. There should be no excess in anything. Don’t be stubborn. It should not be like following someone like crazy. Easy even laughing-playing. Ati Varjayate is now a simple thing in Dharma. Do not drink alcohol. Don’t smoke. Such are these monstrous plants. Alcohol is a kind of monstrous alcoholic beverage. There are such. There are monstrous things in the world. Don’t use that. Don’t overdo it. This is especially a problem for householders. When it comes to eating, there is a bit too much curiosity about eating. How much cooking do they know? "Let’s make some different dishes [recipe]!"Then the women sat on the men’s heads, after spoiling their tongue. So too much to eat, like from morning to evening. Eating spoils children. It is also a madness for a wife to spoil her husband and then the liver is spoiled. ‘Too taboo. If not fasting. No eating at all, fasting! Don’t want to eat it, don’t want to eat that. Seven days a week do fasting and just eat fruits. Don’t overdo and overthink about food. Even the clothes. Whether stay without clothes or change clothes three times a day. Whether something works in the centre or not? Wear clean, neat, well-fitting clothes. Don’t pay too much attention to it either. The householder is very much in need. And the only advantage they have is that they can’t overdo it because they have a baby. After all, the kids draw well. If there is such a lunatic in the house, people laugh when he was overwhelmed. What to do? We should not be overly concerned about the things that are in Satan’s kingdom. Now, what is the greatest religion of man? If someone asks me, "Mataji, what is the religion of man?", now seeing so many people, the only thing I think is very important is that this is your head don’t bend to anyone. Once this head bent then difficult to get your realization. All false gurus have come, don’t bend your head in front of them. There is no need Sahaja Yogis to bend to anyone, even no need to bend to Sahaja Yogi or Yogi. Are you less than others? Once Agnya gets blocked then it’s difficult to get over with that blockage. If you are in form of Shri Ganesha, then Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh [Lord Shiva] even can't go ahead of you. You can see with this law. See and check on vibrations what I am saying, is that right or wrong. Only as my name is Nirmala that way you keep yourself nirmal [pure]. This only the word, Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh [Lord Shiva] even can’t touch you. You don’t have to bow down your head to anyone. So many Gurubaba [Gurus] can’t touch my head. Even River Ganga can’t climb on my head. But you can touch my head. Did you understand? You are in a good position, sitting on a higher level. If you don’t image good about yourself, that is not sahaj. Means no need to be egoistic, means someone will ask, "You are Adishakti, are you proud yourself?", means, "I am that, why would I feel egoistic?" It means there is no special about this, means what I am, I am that only, like that if you are a Sahaja Yogi, you are that. For that why to have an ego? If, for example, one diamond is there, then it will shine. For that diamond, would diamond feel ego? Ego comes to them who is not a diamond, putting more on their head. It’s opposite in Western countries. Over there so much ego is there in people. They believe themselves demons. That is why they went there from here, to cheat them, sent people [exported from here], some bad people went there. Their ego has to break it. No need to say anything. Carrying big cigarettes and moving like the donkey. They are foolish, more than foolish. I can’t describe their foolishness, will tell you sometime later. Now there are kids and children. No need to say anything. They have received awards of foolishness in their ego. This means no need to give any other awards that much they are foolish. They do whatever they like in their foolishness. It means here even mad people will not do that. One way, and yours is another way. How much it will be said but you will stay like that; how much I have said, "Be humble, keep your heads down", but it will not happen that way. These two kinds of people where we are a little bit of space. We have got it because of Sahaja Yogis, in the centre little space, that has to increase. Then you see our work. Now what Sahaja Yogis have to do, establish the Dharma. Then work, have to know in this matter and bring the auspiciousness, look at the other ladies other than your wife in the form of Mother. Not difficult, it’s a very easy thing. But in Kali Yuga so much inauspiciousness is spread which goes in nose, eyes. In the olden days, our parents used to say everyone has to walk with eyes down on mother earth. If anyone walked with her eyes up, the neighbours would immediately go to her mother and tell her, "Your daughter was walking with her eyes up." Well. Then we committed many crimes and then the mother would shout at the girls. If someone said to the father, "Hey, your grandfather was walking on his eyes up", then there will be a problem. No food and water for him to eat and drink. "Why were you staring up, where was your attention?’" The first question used to be, "Where the attention is?" This is the story I am telling of twenty-five years ago. Now, that you have become independent, you have to keep your eyes on the ground. She is your grandmother. Always keep your eyes on the ground. To live in her blessings, we must humble ourselves and remember the earth. The third thing is the meaning, in terms of money; how a person should behave in terms of money. He does not get money by greed for money like that or he does not get money by looking around like another person has more than two things and he does not get money by cutting his throat because he has money. And you have seen that even those who get money do not get happiness and joy. Now with wisdom, you can perpetuate the idea that money does not bring happiness. So, what does it bring? Money is a part, so what is the part of the money? At that time, I had mentioned the form of Lakshmi before, the form should be satisfied, satisfied attitude. Man becomes a king in accepting what he gets. Ah, the satisfied one is the king. He who is not satisfied is a beggar. There is a simple calculation. He who is not satisfied, no matter how great he may be, is a beggar no matter how great he may be, and he who is satisfied, even if he looks poor, is a king. So, satisfaction should be considered and not difficult for you. We have given it to you in Sahaja Yoga, satisfaction. Now I will tell you a little bit about how to assume and how to do it because all these questions come to a person because of thoughts. Thoughts don’t come, then questions will not come. So, if you start thinking too much about anything, if you go too far, you will pick up the thought and throw it at the feet of Mataji, which we call unconscious mind. Unconscious mind, it is there. He used to throw all his thoughts there. Then we pick it up. If you have a question about tomorrow’s income tax, then don’t think. He would bring it and throw it at our feet. It’s not going to be the way you want it to be but what is good for you will happen, it will be beneficial. And that is what is beneficial!

12/22/1976

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"Spirits of the Dead," Bombay (India), 22 December 1976 Now, the question is, for a modern man, whether to believe that there are [dead] spirits or not. Because it’s a very unknown area. And the unknown area, unless and until it is fully explored and found out, always creates a hallucination that it is something divine. So, we have to know even about spirits: who are they, how they act, and how they work out. Now, many will say that, “We do not believe in spirits.” Whether you believe it or not — but they are there. Christ, He was not a liar. He took out spirits and put them in the pig. And He is the man who very clearly said that, “Keep away from the spirits.” The spirits are the people. We can be spirits tomorrow if we want to be. When we die, we do not die fully. Only the element of earth, which has created us… for appearance, or which is the… we can say, the Jala Tattva [Water Principle], with the gross form — that portion only dies, the rest of it remains. And it goes into an area which we call as Pretaloka [the world of the dead], where it starts becoming smaller and smaller till it comes to the size of a foetus, or, you can say, a very small foetus. It waits there. But some of the people, when they die, they are dissatisfied souls. In Sanskrit, we call them as atrupta atma [unsatisfied soul]. Means, in life they have been hankering after things too much, and they couldn’t get to their goals, and they died. For example, a mother dies during labour pains. Her child is born; she sees the child and dies. She is worried about looking after that child. A father dies suddenly in an accident. His children are left behind, and he is worried about his children they’re looked after. There are some people who are very ambitious in life — very, very ambitious — and they die before fulfilling their ambitions. They also become spirits. There are people who have been tortured and troubled and killed. They also die, and they don’t want to live in the Pretaloka, but they want to trouble the people who have troubled them. So, there are types and types of people who become spirits. We can divide them into two types. One type is the one which is very aggressive, ambitious, egoistical, oppressive person, who dies and becomes a spirit. That area is known as the 'supraconscious area'. So many gurus and sadhus [ascetics] who renounce the world and go to the Himalayas, and break their necks, and do all kinds of frantic things, which we call as 'dravidi pranayam' [a roundabout way of doing a thing; literally means catching the nose for holding the breath by bringing the right hand over the head] — when they die without Realisation, they also are on the 'supraconscious side'. And they remain on the right-hand side of the human being: (On the left-hand side…) “Human being” because human being is a reflection or, we can say, is the same microcosm of the macrocosm, which is the Virata. Hence, they are reflected on the right-hand side of the Virata, and so we should say that they are available on our right-hand side. The other ones, we can say that they are [on the left-hand side]... they belong to the category of the people who are suppressed, who are oppressed, who are tortured, who are troubled, who are debased, who are insulted. Such people, when they die, they want to take their revenge by their sly methods. So, they remain on the left-hand side of the Virata and thus are reflected in us also, in the 'collective subconscious', which is on the left-hand side. Basically, these are the two styles of people who are becoming spirits. But there can be a mixture, there can be every type of a spirit. There could be good spirits also, good people, who are trying to only help their families and things like that. These spirits try to manifest. For example, the supraconscious type spirits. There was a doctor in London, who died. His name was Dr Lang. When he died, he had discovered lots of things, and he wanted to continue with his practice in London — and he was a surgeon — but he could not do it, because he suddenly died. So, his spirit entered into a soldier who was living in… who was fighting in Vietnam. And when the spirit entered into him and told him that, “I am such and such doctor, you must go and meet my son and my brother and tell them that I am within you”, the soldier could not believe it. But then he said that, “You come along with me, and I’ll guide you to that place.” And he took him to that hospital where this doctor was working. The hospital was closed, the surgery was closed, so he went and saw the son, and he told him about this spirit entering into his body. The son could not believe it. So, he said that, “I will tell you all the secrets of our life that we spent together and which no one knows.” And when he started telling him all these things, he was amazed, he said, “All right, I’ll open the centre.” So, they opened a very-big-news organisation known as Late Dr Lang’s International Curative Centre in London. Now, this organisation started working long time back, about, I think, eleven or twelve years back. Actually, I came to know about it because somebody who was suffering from the treatment of one of these people, she came to me and she told me all about this, and she gave me a pamphlet in which they had written all this story about Dr Lang. And what they used to say — that, “You should write to us about your illness whatever it is. And when you write to us, then we will organise it in such a way that at such a time, at such a point, at such a place — whichever place you suggest — something will happen to you: you’ll start shaking in the body and you’ll get those spirits into you and you’ll be cured.” It happened with this lady, the one who came to me first when she told me. Then afterwards I’ve met many of them, even in England I’ve met some of them. So, when she came to me… You see, what was her trouble was… she said that, “I had some trouble.” I think she had some minor trouble, which was cured but was very inconvenient thing for her — sort of a… it was a nuisance, the trouble was. She was definitely cured with that. But after, say, five, six years or so, she started, you see, shaking her body completely. Her nervousness was so much that she couldn’t see me. When she sat before me, she started shaking, her hands started shaking, body started shaking as if a lunatic would do that before me. So I told her, “See, this gentleman has come from lunatic asylum, and he is behaving the same way as you are behaving.” She says, “I know. Because I have a pain here, I have a problem here… And I know there’s something wrong. I am not thinking properly, and I cannot remember anything. I am a lost soul, and I know what has happened to me. Now what can You do about it?” Of course, I then cured her, no doubt. Because in Sahaja Yoga you can — through vibrations of love, this Divine Love which I told you yesterday — you can give a bondage to those spirits. By that bondage, you can make that bondage pass into the Pretaloka, and they disappear. But some of these are controlled by some of these ambitious so-called gurus. Now, these so-called gurus that you know of — so-called, they call themselves gurus — what do they do? They go… you see, if they find some evil genius dies somewhere — they know he is an evil genius — then they follow his body, they go to a smashan [burning-ground], they try to collect a part of his body, and they keep it with them. Now, the spirit, till thirteen days, moves around the body, and it starts watching what is the body doing. So, when the spirit, you see, sees that his own part of his body — which is to form again in his own body later on — is missing through these people and they will be doing something, so it appears before them. And they know how to talk. It’s easy to talk. Even ordinary spirit person, if he comes here, I can make them talk, and they talk quite a lot, all kinds of nonsense, and they also tell about these people what these people have been doing. So, that spirit then, you know, is captured by these people, and they start using these supraconscious spirits. These people being crooked and very intelligent people, they start acting into their hands. Now, these spirits are given some names. Like, they can call them 'Ram', 'Krishna'… Some people say 'Aim', some says 'Hrim', some says 'Klim' — all Goddess’s names, you see. They can even give the name of Jesus or something like that. So, what happens — that, when these… when you go to these gurus, then, when you ask them, they say, “We’ll give you a mantra.” Now, you think that the mantra-giving is a very great thing. You see, so many people will come and tell me — in Marathi also, Maharashtrians are special ones for this — that, “Mataji, mala kani guru mantra dila [some guru gave me a mantra]." After all, a mantra can be given, say, "Kay dila mantra 'Ram' [what if mantra 'Ram' is given]"? Why do you need a guru to tell you this? Use your brains! Now, they go on saying, ‘Ram’ and this fellow has already connected them with the Ram whom they have appointed to get into this fellow. So the Ram enters into the psyche of this person. Mostly it is through this Agnya Chakra, which I told you. Yesterday I described the whole Kundalini and its places and everything. So it enters through this into the psyche. When it enters into the psyche on the right-hand side, you see, on the ego side it enters into, and it starts making the man very egoistical. He’ll beat his wife, he’ll beat his children, he’ll rave and try to show off. Sometimes such a man might get a promotion, and he’ll become so dynamic, he will… people will say, “Oh, what has happened to him?” and… sort of, you see, his attention, which was… was spent in doing other things, will be diverted to very ambitious style of work. Now, he becomes very ambitious, but he has no dharma in him, no love in him, no compassion in him, but he becomes a very so-called successful man. For a short time. But after… I’ve met many like them in Delhi also, those who have been “initiated” like that by paying quite a lot of money to these swamis and sadhus — and before me they were just rattling like this. And they said, “Mataji, this is such a lot we are rattling before You, but even if we take a… even if we burn a udbatti [kind of incense sticks] in the name of God Virata, we can’t go near a temple, we can’t go near a church. If we see anything of God, we start rattling like this.” And they all have resigned from their jobs and are settled down as useless people. This has happened to them within five, six years' time. Young people, very young. In Singapore I’ve met one fellow, no, Kuala Lumpur — you would not believe he is only twenty-two years of age, and he is like that now. And this is the supraconscious style — they call it transcendental thought. This is the trance they use. So, just by giving you one name — you must also think! After all, you cannot call like that your God, the Almighty, by just a name?! How can you call Him! Is He your servant? “Rama gari [fellow, man, man servant], come along.” Can you call Him like this? “You do my job, You look after my father, You look after my mother.” Who are you? Are you entitled to call like that? And can you just tell Him that, “You have to… You better look after everything that I tell You, otherwise I’ll give You up. I have no faith in You.”? The man in his ego starts thinking these nonsensical things. You have to surrender to God. You have to become one with Him, you have to be authorised. Then only you can ask His help. The another supraconscious people are another type of… they work out in this way that, you see, these people are the Hatha yogis — so-called Hatha yogis, because I call them neo-Hatha yogis. They are not real Hatha yogis. The real Hatha yogis never stay with the human… normal… what you call them… citizens of a city or a village. They stay in the forest with gurus. In the Patanjali Shastra, who is the original writer of Hatha Yoga, he has told there are six things a Hatha yogi has to do. He has to stay in the jungle with a guru who is a realised-soul, and he does not have to lead a married life. He has to be a brahmacharya, a celibate person. And he has to do six things together. In that, meditation is there, prana pratishtha [calming of the breath], pratyahar [withdrawal of the senses], yama-niyama [“dos” and “don’ts”]… All these things mean he has to regulate his life, he has to lead a very chaste and holy life. It is not meant for people who are householders. Here now, for fashion’s sake, the Hatha Yoga has come to all the people, and all Hatha yogis as such get heart attacks. Yes, they do. I’ve met a doctor here — you might be knowing him also very well, he was a very well-known doctor — and he was preaching Hatha Yoga, and he had a heart trouble. And he was a heart specialist! And when I met him, I told him, “Doctor, be careful about your heart. You are catching on your heart.” He said, “How can that be? I’ve taken my cardiogram!” I said, “Doctor, be careful and don’t do this Hatha Yoga.” Because it is an extreme type of a sadhana [spiritual practice], which is to be done with a person who can balance you, where no other energy is exhausted, but only thing is, it is just done for the sadhana, and your guru works it out. It is done by very few people. But nowadays everybody wants to become a cinema actor and a cinema actress. Every girl wants to be (UNCLEAR) certain shapes that are described in the beauty contest. I tell you, these proportions are absolutely satanic. I’ve read those proportions — they are not the proportions of goddesses. Or of gods. These proportions that are described in these beauty contest things are absolutely of dirty women. These proportions, if they exist in any human being, only bad vibrations will come out. That’s why, you must have seen, once they win that test, then you have seen how they become funny. These are all human conceptions, but all the human conceptions are such foolish things that they do not know that they are playing into the satanic forces. The idea about cinema actresses, you see — all the ladies, these days, even in London, even ninety-year-old women want to be actresses. Are they mad? They don’t want to be mothers. And then they will do all kinds of dieting, torture their husbands, and they will… I don’t know what they are up to. You have to be good wives, decent wives. You have to be good mothers first of all. You are married women; you are not actresses. And the husbands also want to be actors or what, I don’t know, that they are at Hatha Yoga. They want to make their body very perfect in those dimensions that they are described. Who has said that these dimensions are the best? I mean, these days, when you see it, men, they don’t look like men, and women don’t look like women. Women have started looking like men or like horses, and men have started looking like women. It’s a wretched system. We have to be women in the full way, and men have to be men in the full way. You have heard about Shivaji, Rana Pratap [legendary Indian warrior kings] … You have seen their personalities. You see, all the descriptions of these personalities going to drop down like anything when you see these “actors” and “actresses”, teeny-leeny people: somebody slaps them once on the face, the husband falls down dead, and the wife is running away with another man. All sorts of things going on in this ghor [terrible] Kali Yuga, this is only you are playing into the satanic forces. Nothing else. But these, I tell you, these supraconscious people are teaching you all these things. Then there are people of extreme nature, women specially, who are pativrata [devoted to a husband], you see. They are also nonsensical people. Because, you see, they think they love their husband, the whole gods must fall onto them. Of course, a pativrata is a very powerful personality. But she has to be a realised person. Otherwise, she is not realised, and she is all the time making the husband, you see, a noose around his head all the time — and using God for it. Is absurd! She must allow all the freedom to the man, to man to understand the complete play of life. These women also, when they die, you see, they are afraid that their husband might marry somebody else or whatever it is. They sit on the husband’s head only. Then the mothers, some of the mothers who are so much involved and selfish and self-centred, only love their own children. They’ll say: “He is the only son I have,” “She is the only daughter I have.” But what does that mean? Why are you so misidentified? How many times you have been born in this world? How many children you have had before? Why are you so much involved into it, so much misidentified? That does not mean that you kick your children. Either they will kick their children or they will be absolutely downtrodden by the children. This is the extreme type of temperament. Normal people, who love their children, love other children also, live in a normal way, normal pious married life, don’t run after other men and don’t run after other women. These normal people, when they die, they go to Pretaloka, and then they are born again as good people, and they, if they are born today, they get Realisation. There are kinds and kinds and types and types. I don’t want to waste your time and my time in describing all these horrid people. But on the other side, on the left-hand side, the debased and the sly and the horrid and the murderers and all that — they are all there. Oh, these are another type. Now, what these people try to do? You see, sometimes they will do some sly things. But when these people enter, these debased ones, when they enter into your psyche, you become lunatic or mad, or something happens. They teach you all kinds of things. They’ll teach you how to drink, to take to drugs, to do these things; or if you are taking drinks, they’ll enter into you. Because they are drunkards, so they want to drink more — so they will drink. You’ll be amazed, you won’t believe that in Cuba I met a lady, she was a very dainty-darling and she told me that she can take one whisky neat, one full bottle. I mean, I can’t even look at that bottle the way she showed me. I said, “How do you manage that?” And her husband said, “Really, it is true, sometimes she does it.” So, she says, “Do you know, there’s a very big, huge Negro who enters into my body. And then he drinks, not I.” She sees him coming inside this body. So, these types of people are the other side, on the left-hand side. Now, there are mixture types, some of them. You see, they are the people who believe in God, and they haven’t found God, and they have worked very hard… sort of people. So, they try to give you little, sometimes, assurances. For example, yesterday one lady came, and she told me, “Mataji, suddenly I found that there were some chanas [chickpeas] lying in my house. I thought they must have been given by Mataji, so I ate them, and I got cured.” I said, “Am I mad to give you chanas and diamonds and this and that?” And there are some gurus also who are working out the so-called materialisation. This is nothing, you see. Sometimes, you see, you find, in Bombay… now, you find that suddenly your something is missing. Most of the missing things you’ll find there. And these are the things they are passing out to people like this — "Come along!" — in a jadu me [in a magic way]. It is… it is a spirit, which is transparent. It is not opaque thing; you cannot see it. So, it comes round, picks up anything it feels like, and it goes away. And it just disappears. And it goes, and it can also give it to some people there. And this is all the vidya [knowledge, lore] of spirit. Now, how are you to know that this is spirit and not God? Only ask one question: what is the interest of God in giving us all these nonsensical things which we are going to leave here only? When we die, all our diamonds, all our ornaments — everything is going to lie down here. So why should God give us these things? Is He mad? You see, if He loves you, He’ll give you the highest, the eternal, the greatest, the one that is promised in all the scriptures. And you read all the scriptures. Do you find this kind of a nonsense anywhere that Krishna came and He brought out some rings and gave it to somebody? He did not. I mean, it can be done by Him. If He wants to do, He can do anything, but He is not going to steal things. So, this kind of supraconscious spirits and these things do exist, believe me, they do. But there’s nothing important for us, because one exists in the future and another exists in the past. We have to be conscious of the present, present moment — and this is what Sahaja Yoga is. That now, at this moment; you must understand the dynamics of this moment, the spontaneity of this moment. So now people will say, “Then that means, Mataji, You don’t believe in planning.” I do not. I do not believe in human planning at all. Because when human beings plan, you know what is the mess they create. Everywhere in the whole world, wherever there have been planners, what has been done? I’ll give you a simple example. You plan a wedding, A to Z. Now, you’ll find, suddenly, when the bridegroom has to come from this place to that place, something will happen and he won’t move. He may have to go to the bathroom; maybe he wants to meet his mother, he will be emotionally tied up; maybe his mother will come there, and she might start crying… If you want to make it a living marriage, then you should not plan in such detail. You must allow the spontaneity, the blessing of God to work out. In manner…I’ll give you one example. You see, I do not plan out much, and I don’t bother so much about this planning out. Today we wanted to come here very early. These people said we must reach there at six thirty. I was just laughing. I knew when I had to reach, I would reach, because, whatever they may try, we cannot reach early. (UNCLEAR)? And I just could not. So why worry? Because I know we are not going to reach early. Of course, I mean, today supposing I have to go tomorrow, so I have to just buy the ticket for tomorrow. Is all right, there’s no planning. That is to be done today. But A to Z you start planning everything, and suddenly you find this is missing and the whole thing goes off. Let the spontaneity, at least in human relationship — because you are such planners, you cannot do everything else — but human relationship, at least, try the spontaneity to work out. Now, in the Western countries, people are understanding the value of spontaneity, but they are stupid people, they don’t know how to harness it. I cannot even tell you to what stupidity they go. If I tell you, you won’t believe. There are small children, otherwise I would have told you. It is impossible to believe how stupid they are that they believe in the spontaneity and the kind of spontaneity they have done. All the developing countries are now developing to be the developed countries, but we must also see in (UNCLEAR) these developed countries are. They are stupid people. They are all right as far as their work is concerned — they are all in time, their things are all clean, spick and span. But if you see, their families are broken up. Stupidity to such a limit — a ninety-year-old woman having a love affair with a nineteen-year-old man, and on the front page their love letters are posted. Every newspaper you have to read, that is the first break news coming, and all the men reading this “great” Romeo-Juliet going on. Stupid, absolutely stupid! When you talk to them, you find they’re such stupid people! You don’t know where to look and what to say. You have no idea to what extent they have gone in stupidity. Of course, they have Cadillacs, and they have big cars, and they have big houses. But sometimes I feel it is donkeys living inside these beautiful houses. In certain matters, they are absolutely stupid. In certain matters. Absolutely, we are crooked. They are innocent, simpletons, but they are stupid people. We are crooked. Now, that point I’ll touch later on. So, let us see now that how these two types of spirits enter into us, into our psyche. They can enter through this, they turn this thing. They turn this portion and put inside. Now, what happens with that, with the spirit thing? There are some — like Ravan was there, who could only with speech he could make people naked, absolutely. We have got one here, exactly the same type. If he goes on giving speech, people start taking out their clothes. Now, just think how stupid we are not to think: “By taking out clothes, are we going to go near God?” I mean, what sort of a logic is this? When we take our bath, we are all naked. Are we nearer God by that? All sorts of absurd things are being taught, and people are accepting. Thousands of people! In your great Bombay, there are so many intellectuals, aren’t there? Doing such silly, stupid things. Then you will find lots and lots of people just… organised. For what? “Oh, there is some gentleman has come, you know, and he speaks very well on this thing. And he is very good at this, he’s a very great speaker.” — “What does he speak?” — “He speaks about how Radha and Krishna loved each other.” Very good idea. You can have free cabaret, and you can have free discourses on all the nonsensical things debasing God Himself. All these things are so interesting to human beings! Are they really seeking the truth? Are they really asking the reality? They will never read Shankaracharya. Yesterday I told you. They will never go and find out what Markandeya had written, they have no time to find out what Jesus has to say about it. They don’t know what Mohammed Sahib has said. Nanak has said so many things, Kabira has said so many things. They are all fools. These vices have come from somewhere to teach us about all the satanic methods that they want to employ on us. So, beware. Be careful. This is the ghor Kali Yuga. All these satanic forces are acting. Krishna has said that, “Whenever there is need to establish the Dharma and to kill the dushtas [evil people] and to save the sadhus [good people], I am born again and again.” But, I find, who is the sadhu and who is the dushta? It is such a mixture! The Satan has entered into all the sadhus, and sadhus are absolutely in a conflict. This is what Kali Yuga is. It’s a very delicate matter. So, in our own being, as I said it, on the right-hand side is the supraconscious area, and on the left-hand side is what we call as the collective subconscious. Nearer your own being is the subconscious on the left-hand side, which we call as the psyche part, where we store everything that is dead, of this life and past life. And on the right-hand side, is the preconscious mind, which we call as 'mana', by which we — I don’t know, 'mana' is also very confusing thing, but English word is better, is “preconscious mind” — with which we plan and with which we think, and this body is maintained through our right-hand side power. In the centre, we have got the evolutionary power. By this power only, we have evolved, which is the conscious mind, this moment, now, at this moment. We can say that the past and future cross like that, and in the centre is that point. Or we can say like this: that the past… the future and the past, they pass like this in the centre, and they pass out. So, the thoughts from the past come to the future, and the future to the past, but they cannot stay at conscious. For example, I say, “Now, at this moment, stop it.” You cannot. Why? Because of thoughts, the thought rises, goes up and falls down, and disappears like that. Again, another thought rises, rises and again falls, and disappears. Now, you can see the rising of the thought, but you cannot see the falling of the thought. In between these two thoughts, there is a little gap known as vilamba [delay] in the Sanskrit language. That is the point of conscious mind. The thoughts can come from the supraconscious side, or can come from the collective subconscious, can even come from the preconscious, or can even come from the subconscious. That’s how the thoughts waves are. But if you have to jump into the conscious mind itself — now, at this moment — you cannot do it, because at that point there is no thought. I am not telling you all these things of my own, because this has been already discovered by many psychologists — that one has to jump into thoughtless awareness, not into the so-called trance but into awareness, which you are completely aware, but inside there is silence. Now, this silence has been described by all the scriptures. And while jumping into that… even the psychologists, so many of them said that you jump into an unconscious mind, which — 'unconscious' means 'which is not known to us', 'achetan mana' — which is collectively conscious, which is universal. For example, we can say Jung is one of the greatest psychologists, and I respect him very much. He has done a lot of work on the unconscious, and he has taken many years to experiment on thousands and thousands of people to find out how the unconscious works through dreams and symbols. Now, he has found out many symbols appear in the dreams. For example, a triangle like this appears in a dream of one man, pointing downward. Invariably in all the cases, wherever such a dream has appeared, such a man has murdered someone. Or if the triangle is just upside down, means the top is the pointer, then invariably all these people who saw this in the dream and reported to him, they were murdered. There are many such things he has found out. He has found out another thing about the Universal Unconscious — that it always gives you a balance. By different experiments. Now, the medical science people have found out many things which they cannot answer. I have told you already that they have found out that the acetylcholine and adrenaline, which act through the parasympathetic and the sympathetic nervous system, they act very funnily in the body, and they don’t know how they are controlled, by whom, and why they act. They say the mode of action of these two chemicals is not known. That means one thing is sure — that they cannot explain. So, we have to think: "Why? Why a chemical should react separate, differently?" Because there is a deity sitting within them! There is a deity, a living deity which handles the chemicals in the way that it likes. The other day also I asked you a question: a medical person, if you go and ask him, “If everything, every foreign body is thrown out of the body, how is it a foetus is accepted, not only that but nurtured in the body?” So, we should know that there is an Unconscious Universal Being, which is being accepted by many people in the West. And that’s why they say: “Let the Unconscious look after. Let us have the spontaneity, let It work out spontaneously.” But they cannot, they are so complicated now. They have such an analytical mind that they’ll go on analysing, and they cannot allow the spontaneity to work out. They are trying all their methods to work out the spontaneity, but somebody has to give an impetus, has to give that triggering, as you can say. Because through rationality if you want to jump into unconscious, you cannot. Rationality is a very limited stuff. If you want to go to something unlimited and universal — which is collectively conscious — then you have to learn to be unlimited yourself. Now, how will you do it? Somebody has to trigger it. You see a light, a dip [lamp, candle] which is not yet lighted. It is a limited stuff. But when you light it, it becomes unlimited. But for lightening this light, you have to take another light near it. When you bring another light near it, it doesn’t do. It’s just like a catalytic agent. It just touches this, and it starts burning. It gets unlimited light. The light becomes unlimited with a limited dip. In the same way, somebody has to trigger this. I give a very, I should say, a contemporary, or a very modern example which is very simple for people to understand. You see, in our houses, we have seen all these Bombay gas lights, we have seen there’s a little flicker going on. Nobody can see that. In the same way, in the heart there is the Spirit, the reflection of God that is there. And the flow of the gas is stopped, is kept ready. In the same way, in you the Kundalini is kept there, and somebody has to open that. And when that is just opened, the Kundalini rises and meets that flicker, and the light spreads. And this is what happens when the light spreads — that the vibrations start coming. Thus, you jump into your unconscious awareness, means you become a different personality. As I told you, you are a computer. But you are not a working computer. Once you are connected with the mains, you become a computer which is giving information; suddenly you start feeling on your fingers all these things. You start feeling what is… what are the centres on the other person, what are not working. And these centres, as I explained to you yesterday, have all the physical, mental, and emotional sides, which they control, and you can make out what’s wrong with the person. You can cure them also by giving them these vibrations. So, through this computer, now you get information, you give information, and also you can correct it. You can execute also information. Now, our computers that we have, they cannot execute. (Somebody interrupts Shri Mataji, and She asks not to interrupt Her.) You see, lecturing about Divine has been done by many. I am talking about actualisation. You become that! Now, always people say that, “How can it be possible, Mataji?” I mean, I cannot understand this question. Supposing I say there is a diamond lying here. Will you ask such a question? You’ll immediately come pick it up. I mean, you don’t have to lose anything by this. You are not paying me anything. It’s all free. By doing this, you have seen here, people have been cured. But once you get it, fifty percent of you will feel very happy, go home and say, “All right, forget it.” One or two will criticise: “Oh, mala kahi jhala sei, we didn’t feel anything,” as if they are very great people. If they haven’t got it, there’s something wrong with them. They should get it. And fifty percent will think about it, will come again and again, work it out. There are now in Bombay some of them, very highly placed Sahaja yogis, who are curing people. They have cured cancer. They are very ordinary people. We have one here, a teacher in the school, and he has cured people who were suffering from elephantiasis, from cancer… so many things he has cured. He is a very, very ordinary person in life. There are so many like that who are doing it. You can also do it. But you are great babus [respectable people], you are great people. You have no time for all this. When I’ll be no more, then you will be beating your heads, I know: “I wish we had done something about it!” Some of them have definitely learned the art. Like, I said that “There’s a fan here. If I open the fan, you’ll get cool breeze.” So you’ll say, “All right. Please open the fan immediately, we want to have it.” Normally people would say that. Then I would say, “All right, I’ll open the fan. Cool down. Now you feel nice?” — “Yes.” Then I will tell you how this fan is made, how the electricity is produced, all the engineering I’ll tell you. But I have also told you a little bit of engineering. All people want to listen to lectures. Aren’t you fed up of them? Why don’t you have it? This is the blessing of God. You have to jump into the Kingdom of God, and you just see how you are protected, how you are looked after. There are seven chakras, and all the seven blessings are bestowed upon you with a stroke. We have here people who have been nothing in life after Sahaja Yoga [Shri Mataji probably means “before”] — even this one I will give you as a… as a little chocolate over the castor oil, as they say — that they are also very much improved materially because it is Lakshmi who is sitting in the Nabhi. This may appeal to many in India that Lakshmi is cured and you improve even materially. People get promotions, they become this, that… One example is our Dr. Nagensi. He got his Realisation, and see where he has got. Many people like that. He is a Sahaja yogi. So many people are Sahaja yogis who have achieved things in life, but they are busy people, some of them are. But if you could devote a little time for sadhana, and if you come here and see for yourself and give more, then you get more. Because why should God give you all the time vibrations when you are not going to use them? There’s a gentleman sitting here, his son was suffering from too much of drug. He was a young schoolboy, and he was being cheated, and poor boy has been tried. He has spent twenty thousand rupees just curing him. People were just giving him drugs to sleep and drugs to sleep, only tranquillisers. And in one day he’s cured, and today he’s sleeping nicely without anything. He had brought and showed me a prescription which, he says… Kiti paise bata (tell me how much was it)? Charsor rupaye — four hundred rupees poor man had to shell out. And for what? Not for curing! To make that boy sleep off. I mean, that’s also a kind of a drug. And that boy is so normal today. But there will be some satanic here who can create problem for you. So, you decide for yourself. (Shri Mataji says a phrase in Marathi.) (Shri Mataji asks the audience in Hindi to ask Her questions.) (A Seeker asks a question.) Shri Mataji: How one gets it, isn’t it? All right, sit down. That’s what I’ve been saying — that it just works out. It is a spontaneous happening. Now, we’ll see one thing, that how does a little seed gets into a tree? It’s a living process. You’ll just say it just works out. It is already there, that’s why it is sahaja. 'Saha' means 'with'; 'ja' means 'born'. It is absolutely spontaneous. I am an enlightened person, is a fact. And when I touch you, you get enlightenment yourself. It’s a very, very simple thing. All right? Another question? This was a nice one, because we always say of “how”. Seeker: Enlightenment through other methods, with siddhis [supernatural powers]? Shri Mataji: Huh? Seeker: With siddhis, that’s what they are called. Shri Mataji: No, no, is wrong. That is always been banned. You see, in the olden days also we had people who were misled. That is the history. There are some people… now, for example, if we had Hitler, that doesn’t mean he’s a praman [right measure, authority]. If we had somebody like… a satanic force like Ravan, doesn’t mean that he was praman. For us, pramani is whatever achieved the maximum. So, the praman always remains the best. You see, all such people who say that it gives siddhis are the people who are Tantrikas [followers of the Tantra doctrine]. And they were all thrown out. These are all known as kshudrata [insignificance, meanness]. But some of the people who have written books on these things are not themselves Realised, have read this book, that book, and then they have said that their siddhis are also there. Siddhis are nothing but you move on to your supraconscious side. And when you move on to a supraconscious side, a spirit comes into you. And then what happens — you start producing something from your hand… We had one lady in our Sahaja Yoga, she came to us, and, you know, when I went to America, she started showing all kinds of chamatkaras ["miracles"]. She started telling people that “Where is your money’s lost, you can find there,” like that. And she became very popular, and she used to get one thousand people every day coming to her. And ultimately, she started telling them even the number of the (UNCLEAR). So, the supraconscious things can be like that. ESP, you become an 'extrasensory perceptive man', and all that is nothing but another spirit. But human beings sit tight. You’ll be surprised, from America two great scientists came just to see me. For what? They said, “You must teach us how to fly in the air. We want to leave our body.” I said, “Why? Are you not flying already on our heads? Now what do you want to do?” They said, “Now we want to leave our bodies and fly in the air.” So I said, “But if I tell you that this is done through the spirits, will you do it?” — “Yes, still we want to do it.” I said, “Why?” They said, “Because Russians are doing the same, so we want to do.” (Shri Mataji says a phrase in Marathi.) Then I said… and they would not, you see. Then I asked them, “Who told you?” So they said, “Patanjali.” You know, Patanjali is a newspaper man. And Patanjali… I said, “Look at this fellow, he came for treatment because he used to get this kind of a… experience that used to leave his body, and he came to me for getting cured.” And he is telling them, "You go to Mataji and She’ll make you that!" And these fools, you know, they would not listen to me! So, the knowledge that we have… we do not have a proper method of discrimination. We don’t know what is absolute knowledge. This is wrong. For that, you must have vibrations. With vibrations. Now you can ask all those who are Realised, you can ask, “Is there God or not?” See the answer you’ll get. (UNCLEAR) means 'yes'. All answers come, and you can record it on your hands. Even to a small thing. You must hear Pharkay, today he was telling me about this, that when he… some gentleman was somewhere, and he said that, “You just find his vibrations.” So, he put his hands there, and he said, “Let me see the vibrations” — and nothing was coming, and nothing you could feel, and nothing of the chakras. So he then said, “He cannot be there, because I cannot feel anything.” So, this man thought of him: “Oh, yes, yes. He must be on the aeroplane; he is not there.” To such an extent it goes! In London, there’s one gentleman, he said, “Mataji, can I feel somebody’s vibrations?” I said, “You can.” — “Can I feel my father’s?” I said, “Yes. All right, you put your hands and ask a question.” Immediately his Vishuddhi Chakra started burning. He said, “Mother, this is burning.” I said, “You telephone to him just now. Ask how he is.” So his mother said, “He cannot talk to you, his throat is very bad.” And the father was very far away. “He cannot talk to you, his throat is very bad” — Vishuddhi Chakra is catching. All the information you get on your hand, on your vibrations. And then, when you’ll see these books, you’ll be surprised they’ll be burning your hands. (Shri Mataji says a phrase in Hindi.) You’ll be amazed that how you find out who is a real guru and non-real guru. It’s so correct with this! We have got here a case of one lady. She told me that somebody came to see her, and, I mean, somebody came to stay with her, her own brother or someone very near. And she started burning all the time, this and that. So she said, “Do you go to Satya Sai Baba?” He said, “No.” She said, “No, but how can that be? I am getting terrible burning, as I get it from a disciple of Satya Sai Baba. You must have been somewhere. You must have been.” He said, “I’ve never been there.” So she said, “Really?” And she was searching him out, and nothing was there. So, she opened his box, and in the box there was a Satya Sai Baba’s photograph. Our (UNCLEAR) is here, you can ask him. His wife… his daughter-in-law was a big problem in London. And they didn’t know how to locate why she was behaving like this and she was giving them burning like that. They opened her purse one day, and in the purse was that photograph. The day they threw it away, everything is all right. Otherwise, it was going to be a divorce, for nothing at all — the poor lady was vomiting, doing all kinds of things. There are so many cases like that. I mean, the proof is there. (Shri Mataji says a few phrases in Marathi.) He called us to some place where there was a centre of Satya Sai Baba. He said, “Mataji, You must save those people.” When I sat there, so many children just fainted. Then they told us that, “These children have been fainting like this. You have to do something about it. And so many children are lost. They just go away. God knows how they are lost.” I told him, “Baba, his centre, let him look after now. I am fed up.” What am I to do now? I must first of all create some doctors, some realised-souls. When I have some more people to work it out, we can work it out. But one thing is there: after getting Realisation you must come, and learn it, and master everything. You become… I tell you, each and everything of Kundalini, you can just master it. It’s very easy. It is so easy and it helps you. You know this is the power of love; you must know how it is worked out. We know all the power of hatred only. Supposing somebody is very unkind to you. I’ll tell you about my husband’s secretary. She got her Realisation. And she said, “I have got neighbours, some three, four young boys, and they are horrible hippies. They are making noise, and they are troublesome, and they call me an old hen. What have I to do if they just make fun of me?” I said, “All right, what will you do?” She said, “I’m really fed up, I’m going to give up the house.” I said, “You just don’t do like that. You just go and put a bandhan on their house, every day thrice, like this, and just think of me with love.” Now she says that it is quiet like a churchyard. “They are very quiet. And they are very kind, they open the lift for me. When I go, they help me.” (A Seeker asks a question in Hindi. Shri Mataji answers first in Hindi and then continues in English.) You are the instrument. You are the instrument, you are the medicine, you are the curer, you are the doctor, you are the computer, you are everything. But you should become your Self. You have to become your Self. (Shri Mataji continues to speak in Hindi.)

"Spirits of the Dead," Bombay (India), 22 December 1976 Now, the question is, for a modern man, whether to believe that there are [dead] spirits or not. Because it’s a very unknown area. And the unknown area, unless and until it is fully explored and found out, always creates a hallucination that it is something divine. So, we have to know even about spirits: who are they, how they act, and how they work out. Now, many will say that, “We do not believe in spirits.” Whether you believe it or not — but they are there. Christ, He was not a liar. He took out spirits and put them in the pig. And He is the man who very clearly said that, “Keep away from the spirits.” The spirits are the people. We can be spirits tomorrow if we want to be. When we die, we do not die fully. Only the element of earth, which has created us… for appearance, or which is the… we can say, the Jala Tattva [Water Principle], with the gross form — that portion only dies, the rest of it remains. And it goes into an area which we call as Pretaloka [the world of the dead], where it starts becoming smaller and smaller till it comes to the size of a foetus, or, you can say, a very small foetus. It waits there. But some of the people, when they die, they are dissatisfied souls. In Sanskrit, we call them as atrupta atma [unsatisfied soul]. Means, in life they have been hankering after things too much, and they couldn’t get to their goals, and they died. For example, a mother dies during labour pains. Her child is born; she sees the child and dies. She is worried about looking after that child. A father dies suddenly in an accident. His children are left behind, and he is worried about his children they’re looked after. There are some people who are very ambitious in life — very, very ambitious — and they die before fulfilling their ambitions. They also become spirits. There are people who have been tortured and troubled and killed. They also die, and they don’t want to live in the Pretaloka, but they want to trouble the people who have troubled them. So, there are types and types of people who become spirits. We can divide them into two types. One type is the one which is very aggressive, ambitious, egoistical, oppressive person, who dies and becomes a spirit. That area is known as the 'supraconscious area'. So many gurus and sadhus [ascetics] who renounce the world and go to the Himalayas, and break their necks, and do all kinds of frantic things, which we call as 'dravidi pranayam' [a roundabout way of doing a thing; literally means catching the nose for holding the breath by bringing the right hand over the head] — when they die without Realisation, they also are on the 'supraconscious side'. And they remain on the right-hand side of the human being: (On the left-hand side…) “Human being” because human being is a reflection or, we can say, is the same microcosm of the macrocosm, which is the Virata. Hence, they are reflected on the right-hand side of the Virata, and so we should say that they are available on our right-hand side. The other ones, we can say that they are [on the left-hand side]... they belong to the category of the people who are suppressed, who are oppressed, who are tortured, who are troubled, who are debased, who are insulted. Such people, when they die, they want to take their revenge by their sly methods. So, they remain on the left-hand side of the Virata and thus are reflected in us also, in the 'collective subconscious', which is on the left-hand side. Basically, these are the two styles of people who are becoming spirits. But there can be a mixture, there can be every type of a spirit. There could be good spirits also, good people, who are trying to only help their families and things like that. These spirits try to manifest. For example, the supraconscious type spirits. There was a doctor in London, who died. His name was Dr Lang. When he died, he had discovered lots of things, and he wanted to continue with his practice in London — and he was a surgeon — but he could not do it, because he suddenly died. So, his spirit entered into a soldier who was living in… who was fighting in Vietnam. And when the spirit entered into him and told him that, “I am such and such doctor, you must go and meet my son and my brother and tell them that I am within you”, the soldier could not believe it. But then he said that, “You come along with me, and I’ll guide you to that place.” And he took him to that hospital where this doctor was working. The hospital was closed, the surgery was closed, so he went and saw the son, and he told him about this spirit entering into his body. The son could not believe it. So, he said that, “I will tell you all the secrets of our life that we spent together and which no one knows.” And when he started telling him all these things, he was amazed, he said, “All right, I’ll open the centre.” So, they opened a very-big-news organisation known as Late Dr Lang’s International Curative Centre in London. Now, this organisation started working long time back, about, I think, eleven or twelve years back. Actually, I came to know about it because somebody who was suffering from the treatment of one of these people, she came to me and she told me all about this, and she gave me a pamphlet in which they had written all this story about Dr Lang. And what they used to say — that, “You should write to us about your illness whatever it is. And when you write to us, then we will organise it in such a way that at such a time, at such a point, at such a place — whichever place you suggest — something will happen to you: you’ll start shaking in the body and you’ll get those spirits into you and you’ll be cured.” It happened with this lady, the one who came to me first when she told me. Then afterwards I’ve met many of them, even in England I’ve met some of them. So, when she came to me… You see, what was her trouble was… she said that, “I had some trouble.” I think she had some minor trouble, which was cured but was very inconvenient thing for her — sort of a… it was a nuisance, the trouble was. She was definitely cured with that. But after, say, five, six years or so, she started, you see, shaking her body completely. Her nervousness was so much that she couldn’t see me. When she sat before me, she started shaking, her hands started shaking, body started shaking as if a lunatic would do that before me. So I told her, “See, this gentleman has come from lunatic asylum, and he is behaving the same way as you are behaving.” She says, “I know. Because I have a pain here, I have a problem here… And I know there’s something wrong. I am not thinking properly, and I cannot remember anything. I am a lost soul, and I know what has happened to me. Now what can You do about it?” Of course, I then cured her, no doubt. Because in Sahaja Yoga you can — through vibrations of love, this Divine Love which I told you yesterday — you can give a bondage to those spirits. By that bondage, you can make that bondage pass into the Pretaloka, and they disappear. But some of these are controlled by some of these ambitious so-called gurus. Now, these so-called gurus that you know of — so-called, they call themselves gurus — what do they do? They go… you see, if they find some evil genius dies somewhere — they know he is an evil genius — then they follow his body, they go to a smashan [burning-ground], they try to collect a part of his body, and they keep it with them. Now, the spirit, till thirteen days, moves around the body, and it starts watching what is the body doing. So, when the spirit, you see, sees that his own part of his body — which is to form again in his own body later on — is missing through these people and they will be doing something, so it appears before them. And they know how to talk. It’s easy to talk. Even ordinary spirit person, if he comes here, I can make them talk, and they talk quite a lot, all kinds of nonsense, and they also tell about these people what these people have been doing. So, that spirit then, you know, is captured by these people, and they start using these supraconscious spirits. These people being crooked and very intelligent people, they start acting into their hands. Now, these spirits are given some names. Like, they can call them 'Ram', 'Krishna'… Some people say 'Aim', some says 'Hrim', some says 'Klim' — all Goddess’s names, you see. They can even give the name of Jesus or something like that. So, what happens — that, when these… when you go to these gurus, then, when you ask them, they say, “We’ll give you a mantra.” Now, you think that the mantra-giving is a very great thing. You see, so many people will come and tell me — in Marathi also, Maharashtrians are special ones for this — that, “Mataji, mala kani guru mantra dila [some guru gave me a mantra]." After all, a mantra can be given, say, "Kay dila mantra 'Ram' [what if mantra 'Ram' is given]"? Why do you need a guru to tell you this? Use your brains! Now, they go on saying, ‘Ram’ and this fellow has already connected them with the Ram whom they have appointed to get into this fellow. So the Ram enters into the psyche of this person. Mostly it is through this Agnya Chakra, which I told you. Yesterday I described the whole Kundalini and its places and everything. So it enters through this into the psyche. When it enters into the psyche on the right-hand side, you see, on the ego side it enters into, and it starts making the man very egoistical. He’ll beat his wife, he’ll beat his children, he’ll rave and try to show off. Sometimes such a man might get a promotion, and he’ll become so dynamic, he will… people will say, “Oh, what has happened to him?” and… sort of, you see, his attention, which was… was spent in doing other things, will be diverted to very ambitious style of work. Now, he becomes very ambitious, but he has no dharma in him, no love in him, no compassion in him, but he becomes a very so-called successful man. For a short time. But after… I’ve met many like them in Delhi also, those who have been “initiated” like that by paying quite a lot of money to these swamis and sadhus — and before me they were just rattling like this. And they said, “Mataji, this is such a lot we are rattling before You, but even if we take a… even if we burn a udbatti [kind of incense sticks] in the name of God Virata, we can’t go near a temple, we can’t go near a church. If we see anything of God, we start rattling like this.” And they all have resigned from their jobs and are settled down as useless people. This has happened to them within five, six years' time. Young people, very young. In Singapore I’ve met one fellow, no, Kuala Lumpur — you would not believe he is only twenty-two years of age, and he is like that now. And this is the supraconscious style — they call it transcendental thought. This is the trance they use. So, just by giving you one name — you must also think! After all, you cannot call like that your God, the Almighty, by just a name?! How can you call Him! Is He your servant? “Rama gari [fellow, man, man servant], come along.” Can you call Him like this? “You do my job, You look after my father, You look after my mother.” Who are you? Are you entitled to call like that? And can you just tell Him that, “You have to… You better look after everything that I tell You, otherwise I’ll give You up. I have no faith in You.”? The man in his ego starts thinking these nonsensical things. You have to surrender to God. You have to become one with Him, you have to be authorised. Then only you can ask His help. The another supraconscious people are another type of… they work out in this way that, you see, these people are the Hatha yogis — so-called Hatha yogis, because I call them neo-Hatha yogis. They are not real Hatha yogis. The real Hatha yogis never stay with the human… normal… what you call them… citizens of a city or a village. They stay in the forest with gurus. In the Patanjali Shastra, who is the original writer of Hatha Yoga, he has told there are six things a Hatha yogi has to do. He has to stay in the jungle with a guru who is a realised-soul, and he does not have to lead a married life. He has to be a brahmacharya, a celibate person. And he has to do six things together. In that, meditation is there, prana pratishtha [calming of the breath], pratyahar [withdrawal of the senses], yama-niyama [“dos” and “don’ts”]… All these things mean he has to regulate his life, he has to lead a very chaste and holy life. It is not meant for people who are householders. Here now, for fashion’s sake, the Hatha Yoga has come to all the people, and all Hatha yogis as such get heart attacks. Yes, they do. I’ve met a doctor here — you might be knowing him also very well, he was a very well-known doctor — and he was preaching Hatha Yoga, and he had a heart trouble. And he was a heart specialist! And when I met him, I told him, “Doctor, be careful about your heart. You are catching on your heart.” He said, “How can that be? I’ve taken my cardiogram!” I said, “Doctor, be careful and don’t do this Hatha Yoga.” Because it is an extreme type of a sadhana [spiritual practice], which is to be done with a person who can balance you, where no other energy is exhausted, but only thing is, it is just done for the sadhana, and your guru works it out. It is done by very few people. But nowadays everybody wants to become a cinema actor and a cinema actress. Every girl wants to be (UNCLEAR) certain shapes that are described in the beauty contest. I tell you, these proportions are absolutely satanic. I’ve read those proportions — they are not the proportions of goddesses. Or of gods. These proportions that are described in these beauty contest things are absolutely of dirty women. These proportions, if they exist in any human being, only bad vibrations will come out. That’s why, you must have seen, once they win that test, then you have seen how they become funny. These are all human conceptions, but all the human conceptions are such foolish things that they do not know that they are playing into the satanic forces. The idea about cinema actresses, you see — all the ladies, these days, even in London, even ninety-year-old women want to be actresses. Are they mad? They don’t want to be mothers. And then they will do all kinds of dieting, torture their husbands, and they will… I don’t know what they are up to. You have to be good wives, decent wives. You have to be good mothers first of all. You are married women; you are not actresses. And the husbands also want to be actors or what, I don’t know, that they are at Hatha Yoga. They want to make their body very perfect in those dimensions that they are described. Who has said that these dimensions are the best? I mean, these days, when you see it, men, they don’t look like men, and women don’t look like women. Women have started looking like men or like horses, and men have started looking like women. It’s a wretched system. We have to be women in the full way, and men have to be men in the full way. You have heard about Shivaji, Rana Pratap [legendary Indian warrior kings] … You have seen their personalities. You see, all the descriptions of these personalities going to drop down like anything when you see these “actors” and “actresses”, teeny-leeny people: somebody slaps them once on the face, the husband falls down dead, and the wife is running away with another man. All sorts of things going on in this ghor [terrible] Kali Yuga, this is only you are playing into the satanic forces. Nothing else. But these, I tell you, these supraconscious people are teaching you all these things. Then there are people of extreme nature, women specially, who are pativrata [devoted to a husband], you see. They are also nonsensical people. Because, you see, they think they love their husband, the whole gods must fall onto them. Of course, a pativrata is a very powerful personality. But she has to be a realised person. Otherwise, she is not realised, and she is all the time making the husband, you see, a noose around his head all the time — and using God for it. Is absurd! She must allow all the freedom to the man, to man to understand the complete play of life. These women also, when they die, you see, they are afraid that their husband might marry somebody else or whatever it is. They sit on the husband’s head only. Then the mothers, some of the mothers who are so much involved and selfish and self-centred, only love their own children. They’ll say: “He is the only son I have,” “She is the only daughter I have.” But what does that mean? Why are you so misidentified? How many times you have been born in this world? How many children you have had before? Why are you so much involved into it, so much misidentified? That does not mean that you kick your children. Either they will kick their children or they will be absolutely downtrodden by the children. This is the extreme type of temperament. Normal people, who love their children, love other children also, live in a normal way, normal pious married life, don’t run after other men and don’t run after other women. These normal people, when they die, they go to Pretaloka, and then they are born again as good people, and they, if they are born today, they get Realisation. There are kinds and kinds and types and types. I don’t want to waste your time and my time in describing all these horrid people. But on the other side, on the left-hand side, the debased and the sly and the horrid and the murderers and all that — they are all there. Oh, these are another type. Now, what these people try to do? You see, sometimes they will do some sly things. But when these people enter, these debased ones, when they enter into your psyche, you become lunatic or mad, or something happens. They teach you all kinds of things. They’ll teach you how to drink, to take to drugs, to do these things; or if you are taking drinks, they’ll enter into you. Because they are drunkards, so they want to drink more — so they will drink. You’ll be amazed, you won’t believe that in Cuba I met a lady, she was a very dainty-darling and she told me that she can take one whisky neat, one full bottle. I mean, I can’t even look at that bottle the way she showed me. I said, “How do you manage that?” And her husband said, “Really, it is true, sometimes she does it.” So, she says, “Do you know, there’s a very big, huge Negro who enters into my body. And then he drinks, not I.” She sees him coming inside this body. So, these types of people are the other side, on the left-hand side. Now, there are mixture types, some of them. You see, they are the people who believe in God, and they haven’t found God, and they have worked very hard… sort of people. So, they try to give you little, sometimes, assurances. For example, yesterday one lady came, and she told me, “Mataji, suddenly I found that there were some chanas [chickpeas] lying in my house. I thought they must have been given by Mataji, so I ate them, and I got cured.” I said, “Am I mad to give you chanas and diamonds and this and that?” And there are some gurus also who are working out the so-called materialisation. This is nothing, you see. Sometimes, you see, you find, in Bombay… now, you find that suddenly your something is missing. Most of the missing things you’ll find there. And these are the things they are passing out to people like this — "Come along!" — in a jadu me [in a magic way]. It is… it is a spirit, which is transparent. It is not opaque thing; you cannot see it. So, it comes round, picks up anything it feels like, and it goes away. And it just disappears. And it goes, and it can also give it to some people there. And this is all the vidya [knowledge, lore] of spirit. Now, how are you to know that this is spirit and not God? Only ask one question: what is the interest of God in giving us all these nonsensical things which we are going to leave here only? When we die, all our diamonds, all our ornaments — everything is going to lie down here. So why should God give us these things? Is He mad? You see, if He loves you, He’ll give you the highest, the eternal, the greatest, the one that is promised in all the scriptures. And you read all the scriptures. Do you find this kind of a nonsense anywhere that Krishna came and He brought out some rings and gave it to somebody? He did not. I mean, it can be done by Him. If He wants to do, He can do anything, but He is not going to steal things. So, this kind of supraconscious spirits and these things do exist, believe me, they do. But there’s nothing important for us, because one exists in the future and another exists in the past. We have to be conscious of the present, present moment — and this is what Sahaja Yoga is. That now, at this moment; you must understand the dynamics of this moment, the spontaneity of this moment. So now people will say, “Then that means, Mataji, You don’t believe in planning.” I do not. I do not believe in human planning at all. Because when human beings plan, you know what is the mess they create. Everywhere in the whole world, wherever there have been planners, what has been done? I’ll give you a simple example. You plan a wedding, A to Z. Now, you’ll find, suddenly, when the bridegroom has to come from this place to that place, something will happen and he won’t move. He may have to go to the bathroom; maybe he wants to meet his mother, he will be emotionally tied up; maybe his mother will come there, and she might start crying… If you want to make it a living marriage, then you should not plan in such detail. You must allow the spontaneity, the blessing of God to work out. In manner…I’ll give you one example. You see, I do not plan out much, and I don’t bother so much about this planning out. Today we wanted to come here very early. These people said we must reach there at six thirty. I was just laughing. I knew when I had to reach, I would reach, because, whatever they may try, we cannot reach early. (UNCLEAR)? And I just could not. So why worry? Because I know we are not going to reach early. Of course, I mean, today supposing I have to go tomorrow, so I have to just buy the ticket for tomorrow. Is all right, there’s no planning. That is to be done today. But A to Z you start planning everything, and suddenly you find this is missing and the whole thing goes off. Let the spontaneity, at least in human relationship — because you are such planners, you cannot do everything else — but human relationship, at least, try the spontaneity to work out. Now, in the Western countries, people are understanding the value of spontaneity, but they are stupid people, they don’t know how to harness it. I cannot even tell you to what stupidity they go. If I tell you, you won’t believe. There are small children, otherwise I would have told you. It is impossible to believe how stupid they are that they believe in the spontaneity and the kind of spontaneity they have done. All the developing countries are now developing to be the developed countries, but we must also see in (UNCLEAR) these developed countries are. They are stupid people. They are all right as far as their work is concerned — they are all in time, their things are all clean, spick and span. But if you see, their families are broken up. Stupidity to such a limit — a ninety-year-old woman having a love affair with a nineteen-year-old man, and on the front page their love letters are posted. Every newspaper you have to read, that is the first break news coming, and all the men reading this “great” Romeo-Juliet going on. Stupid, absolutely stupid! When you talk to them, you find they’re such stupid people! You don’t know where to look and what to say. You have no idea to what extent they have gone in stupidity. Of course, they have Cadillacs, and they have big cars, and they have big houses. But sometimes I feel it is donkeys living inside these beautiful houses. In certain matters, they are absolutely stupid. In certain matters. Absolutely, we are crooked. They are innocent, simpletons, but they are stupid people. We are crooked. Now, that point I’ll touch later on. So, let us see now that how these two types of spirits enter into us, into our psyche. They can enter through this, they turn this thing. They turn this portion and put inside. Now, what happens with that, with the spirit thing? There are some — like Ravan was there, who could only with speech he could make people naked, absolutely. We have got one here, exactly the same type. If he goes on giving speech, people start taking out their clothes. Now, just think how stupid we are not to think: “By taking out clothes, are we going to go near God?” I mean, what sort of a logic is this? When we take our bath, we are all naked. Are we nearer God by that? All sorts of absurd things are being taught, and people are accepting. Thousands of people! In your great Bombay, there are so many intellectuals, aren’t there? Doing such silly, stupid things. Then you will find lots and lots of people just… organised. For what? “Oh, there is some gentleman has come, you know, and he speaks very well on this thing. And he is very good at this, he’s a very great speaker.” — “What does he speak?” — “He speaks about how Radha and Krishna loved each other.” Very good idea. You can have free cabaret, and you can have free discourses on all the nonsensical things debasing God Himself. All these things are so interesting to human beings! Are they really seeking the truth? Are they really asking the reality? They will never read Shankaracharya. Yesterday I told you. They will never go and find out what Markandeya had written, they have no time to find out what Jesus has to say about it. They don’t know what Mohammed Sahib has said. Nanak has said so many things, Kabira has said so many things. They are all fools. These vices have come from somewhere to teach us about all the satanic methods that they want to employ on us. So, beware. Be careful. This is the ghor Kali Yuga. All these satanic forces are acting. Krishna has said that, “Whenever there is need to establish the Dharma and to kill the dushtas [evil people] and to save the sadhus [good people], I am born again and again.” But, I find, who is the sadhu and who is the dushta? It is such a mixture! The Satan has entered into all the sadhus, and sadhus are absolutely in a conflict. This is what Kali Yuga is. It’s a very delicate matter. So, in our own being, as I said it, on the right-hand side is the supraconscious area, and on the left-hand side is what we call as the collective subconscious. Nearer your own being is the subconscious on the left-hand side, which we call as the psyche part, where we store everything that is dead, of this life and past life. And on the right-hand side, is the preconscious mind, which we call as 'mana', by which we — I don’t know, 'mana' is also very confusing thing, but English word is better, is “preconscious mind” — with which we plan and with which we think, and this body is maintained through our right-hand side power. In the centre, we have got the evolutionary power. By this power only, we have evolved, which is the conscious mind, this moment, now, at this moment. We can say that the past and future cross like that, and in the centre is that point. Or we can say like this: that the past… the future and the past, they pass like this in the centre, and they pass out. So, the thoughts from the past come to the future, and the future to the past, but they cannot stay at conscious. For example, I say, “Now, at this moment, stop it.” You cannot. Why? Because of thoughts, the thought rises, goes up and falls down, and disappears like that. Again, another thought rises, rises and again falls, and disappears. Now, you can see the rising of the thought, but you cannot see the falling of the thought. In between these two thoughts, there is a little gap known as vilamba [delay] in the Sanskrit language. That is the point of conscious mind. The thoughts can come from the supraconscious side, or can come from the collective subconscious, can even come from the preconscious, or can even come from the subconscious. That’s how the thoughts waves are. But if you have to jump into the conscious mind itself — now, at this moment — you cannot do it, because at that point there is no thought. I am not telling you all these things of my own, because this has been already discovered by many psychologists — that one has to jump into thoughtless awareness, not into the so-called trance but into awareness, which you are completely aware, but inside there is silence. Now, this silence has been described by all the scriptures. And while jumping into that… even the psychologists, so many of them said that you jump into an unconscious mind, which — 'unconscious' means 'which is not known to us', 'achetan mana' — which is collectively conscious, which is universal. For example, we can say Jung is one of the greatest psychologists, and I respect him very much. He has done a lot of work on the unconscious, and he has taken many years to experiment on thousands and thousands of people to find out how the unconscious works through dreams and symbols. Now, he has found out many symbols appear in the dreams. For example, a triangle like this appears in a dream of one man, pointing downward. Invariably in all the cases, wherever such a dream has appeared, such a man has murdered someone. Or if the triangle is just upside down, means the top is the pointer, then invariably all these people who saw this in the dream and reported to him, they were murdered. There are many such things he has found out. He has found out another thing about the Universal Unconscious — that it always gives you a balance. By different experiments. Now, the medical science people have found out many things which they cannot answer. I have told you already that they have found out that the acetylcholine and adrenaline, which act through the parasympathetic and the sympathetic nervous system, they act very funnily in the body, and they don’t know how they are controlled, by whom, and why they act. They say the mode of action of these two chemicals is not known. That means one thing is sure — that they cannot explain. So, we have to think: "Why? Why a chemical should react separate, differently?" Because there is a deity sitting within them! There is a deity, a living deity which handles the chemicals in the way that it likes. The other day also I asked you a question: a medical person, if you go and ask him, “If everything, every foreign body is thrown out of the body, how is it a foetus is accepted, not only that but nurtured in the body?” So, we should know that there is an Unconscious Universal Being, which is being accepted by many people in the West. And that’s why they say: “Let the Unconscious look after. Let us have the spontaneity, let It work out spontaneously.” But they cannot, they are so complicated now. They have such an analytical mind that they’ll go on analysing, and they cannot allow the spontaneity to work out. They are trying all their methods to work out the spontaneity, but somebody has to give an impetus, has to give that triggering, as you can say. Because through rationality if you want to jump into unconscious, you cannot. Rationality is a very limited stuff. If you want to go to something unlimited and universal — which is collectively conscious — then you have to learn to be unlimited yourself. Now, how will you do it? Somebody has to trigger it. You see a light, a dip [lamp, candle] which is not yet lighted. It is a limited stuff. But when you light it, it becomes unlimited. But for lightening this light, you have to take another light near it. When you bring another light near it, it doesn’t do. It’s just like a catalytic agent. It just touches this, and it starts burning. It gets unlimited light. The light becomes unlimited with a limited dip. In the same way, somebody has to trigger this. I give a very, I should say, a contemporary, or a very modern example which is very simple for people to understand. You see, in our houses, we have seen all these Bombay gas lights, we have seen there’s a little flicker going on. Nobody can see that. In the same way, in the heart there is the Spirit, the reflection of God that is there. And the flow of the gas is stopped, is kept ready. In the same way, in you the Kundalini is kept there, and somebody has to open that. And when that is just opened, the Kundalini rises and meets that flicker, and the light spreads. And this is what happens when the light spreads — that the vibrations start coming. Thus, you jump into your unconscious awareness, means you become a different personality. As I told you, you are a computer. But you are not a working computer. Once you are connected with the mains, you become a computer which is giving information; suddenly you start feeling on your fingers all these things. You start feeling what is… what are the centres on the other person, what are not working. And these centres, as I explained to you yesterday, have all the physical, mental, and emotional sides, which they control, and you can make out what’s wrong with the person. You can cure them also by giving them these vibrations. So, through this computer, now you get information, you give information, and also you can correct it. You can execute also information. Now, our computers that we have, they cannot execute. (Somebody interrupts Shri Mataji, and She asks not to interrupt Her.) You see, lecturing about Divine has been done by many. I am talking about actualisation. You become that! Now, always people say that, “How can it be possible, Mataji?” I mean, I cannot understand this question. Supposing I say there is a diamond lying here. Will you ask such a question? You’ll immediately come pick it up. I mean, you don’t have to lose anything by this. You are not paying me anything. It’s all free. By doing this, you have seen here, people have been cured. But once you get it, fifty percent of you will feel very happy, go home and say, “All right, forget it.” One or two will criticise: “Oh, mala kahi jhala sei, we didn’t feel anything,” as if they are very great people. If they haven’t got it, there’s something wrong with them. They should get it. And fifty percent will think about it, will come again and again, work it out. There are now in Bombay some of them, very highly placed Sahaja yogis, who are curing people. They have cured cancer. They are very ordinary people. We have one here, a teacher in the school, and he has cured people who were suffering from elephantiasis, from cancer… so many things he has cured. He is a very, very ordinary person in life. There are so many like that who are doing it. You can also do it. But you are great babus [respectable people], you are great people. You have no time for all this. When I’ll be no more, then you will be beating your heads, I know: “I wish we had done something about it!” Some of them have definitely learned the art. Like, I said that “There’s a fan here. If I open the fan, you’ll get cool breeze.” So you’ll say, “All right. Please open the fan immediately, we want to have it.” Normally people would say that. Then I would say, “All right, I’ll open the fan. Cool down. Now you feel nice?” — “Yes.” Then I will tell you how this fan is made, how the electricity is produced, all the engineering I’ll tell you. But I have also told you a little bit of engineering. All people want to listen to lectures. Aren’t you fed up of them? Why don’t you have it? This is the blessing of God. You have to jump into the Kingdom of God, and you just see how you are protected, how you are looked after. There are seven chakras, and all the seven blessings are bestowed upon you with a stroke. We have here people who have been nothing in life after Sahaja Yoga [Shri Mataji probably means “before”] — even this one I will give you as a… as a little chocolate over the castor oil, as they say — that they are also very much improved materially because it is Lakshmi who is sitting in the Nabhi. This may appeal to many in India that Lakshmi is cured and you improve even materially. People get promotions, they become this, that… One example is our Dr. Nagensi. He got his Realisation, and see where he has got. Many people like that. He is a Sahaja yogi. So many people are Sahaja yogis who have achieved things in life, but they are busy people, some of them are. But if you could devote a little time for sadhana, and if you come here and see for yourself and give more, then you get more. Because why should God give you all the time vibrations when you are not going to use them? There’s a gentleman sitting here, his son was suffering from too much of drug. He was a young schoolboy, and he was being cheated, and poor boy has been tried. He has spent twenty thousand rupees just curing him. People were just giving him drugs to sleep and drugs to sleep, only tranquillisers. And in one day he’s cured, and today he’s sleeping nicely without anything. He had brought and showed me a prescription which, he says… Kiti paise bata (tell me how much was it)? Charsor rupaye — four hundred rupees poor man had to shell out. And for what? Not for curing! To make that boy sleep off. I mean, that’s also a kind of a drug. And that boy is so normal today. But there will be some satanic here who can create problem for you. So, you decide for yourself. (Shri Mataji says a phrase in Marathi.) (Shri Mataji asks the audience in Hindi to ask Her questions.) (A Seeker asks a question.) Shri Mataji: How one gets it, isn’t it? All right, sit down. That’s what I’ve been saying — that it just works out. It is a spontaneous happening. Now, we’ll see one thing, that how does a little seed gets into a tree? It’s a living process. You’ll just say it just works out. It is already there, that’s why it is sahaja. 'Saha' means 'with'; 'ja' means 'born'. It is absolutely spontaneous. I am an enlightened person, is a fact. And when I touch you, you get enlightenment yourself. It’s a very, very simple thing. All right? Another question? This was a nice one, because we always say of “how”. Seeker: Enlightenment through other methods, with siddhis [supernatural powers]? Shri Mataji: Huh? Seeker: With siddhis, that’s what they are called. Shri Mataji: No, no, is wrong. That is always been banned. You see, in the olden days also we had people who were misled. That is the history. There are some people… now, for example, if we had Hitler, that doesn’t mean he’s a praman [right measure, authority]. If we had somebody like… a satanic force like Ravan, doesn’t mean that he was praman. For us, pramani is whatever achieved the maximum. So, the praman always remains the best. You see, all such people who say that it gives siddhis are the people who are Tantrikas [followers of the Tantra doctrine]. And they were all thrown out. These are all known as kshudrata [insignificance, meanness]. But some of the people who have written books on these things are not themselves Realised, have read this book, that book, and then they have said that their siddhis are also there. Siddhis are nothing but you move on to your supraconscious side. And when you move on to a supraconscious side, a spirit comes into you. And then what happens — you start producing something from your hand… We had one lady in our Sahaja Yoga, she came to us, and, you know, when I went to America, she started showing all kinds of chamatkaras ["miracles"]. She started telling people that “Where is your money’s lost, you can find there,” like that. And she became very popular, and she used to get one thousand people every day coming to her. And ultimately, she started telling them even the number of the (UNCLEAR). So, the supraconscious things can be like that. ESP, you become an 'extrasensory perceptive man', and all that is nothing but another spirit. But human beings sit tight. You’ll be surprised, from America two great scientists came just to see me. For what? They said, “You must teach us how to fly in the air. We want to leave our body.” I said, “Why? Are you not flying already on our heads? Now what do you want to do?” They said, “Now we want to leave our bodies and fly in the air.” So I said, “But if I tell you that this is done through the spirits, will you do it?” — “Yes, still we want to do it.” I said, “Why?” They said, “Because Russians are doing the same, so we want to do.” (Shri Mataji says a phrase in Marathi.) Then I said… and they would not, you see. Then I asked them, “Who told you?” So they said, “Patanjali.” You know, Patanjali is a newspaper man. And Patanjali… I said, “Look at this fellow, he came for treatment because he used to get this kind of a… experience that used to leave his body, and he came to me for getting cured.” And he is telling them, "You go to Mataji and She’ll make you that!" And these fools, you know, they would not listen to me! So, the knowledge that we have… we do not have a proper method of discrimination. We don’t know what is absolute knowledge. This is wrong. For that, you must have vibrations. With vibrations. Now you can ask all those who are Realised, you can ask, “Is there God or not?” See the answer you’ll get. (UNCLEAR) means 'yes'. All answers come, and you can record it on your hands. Even to a small thing. You must hear Pharkay, today he was telling me about this, that when he… some gentleman was somewhere, and he said that, “You just find his vibrations.” So, he put his hands there, and he said, “Let me see the vibrations” — and nothing was coming, and nothing you could feel, and nothing of the chakras. So he then said, “He cannot be there, because I cannot feel anything.” So, this man thought of him: “Oh, yes, yes. He must be on the aeroplane; he is not there.” To such an extent it goes! In London, there’s one gentleman, he said, “Mataji, can I feel somebody’s vibrations?” I said, “You can.” — “Can I feel my father’s?” I said, “Yes. All right, you put your hands and ask a question.” Immediately his Vishuddhi Chakra started burning. He said, “Mother, this is burning.” I said, “You telephone to him just now. Ask how he is.” So his mother said, “He cannot talk to you, his throat is very bad.” And the father was very far away. “He cannot talk to you, his throat is very bad” — Vishuddhi Chakra is catching. All the information you get on your hand, on your vibrations. And then, when you’ll see these books, you’ll be surprised they’ll be burning your hands. (Shri Mataji says a phrase in Hindi.) You’ll be amazed that how you find out who is a real guru and non-real guru. It’s so correct with this! We have got here a case of one lady. She told me that somebody came to see her, and, I mean, somebody came to stay with her, her own brother or someone very near. And she started burning all the time, this and that. So she said, “Do you go to Satya Sai Baba?” He said, “No.” She said, “No, but how can that be? I am getting terrible burning, as I get it from a disciple of Satya Sai Baba. You must have been somewhere. You must have been.” He said, “I’ve never been there.” So she said, “Really?” And she was searching him out, and nothing was there. So, she opened his box, and in the box there was a Satya Sai Baba’s photograph. Our (UNCLEAR) is here, you can ask him. His wife… his daughter-in-law was a big problem in London. And they didn’t know how to locate why she was behaving like this and she was giving them burning like that. They opened her purse one day, and in the purse was that photograph. The day they threw it away, everything is all right. Otherwise, it was going to be a divorce, for nothing at all — the poor lady was vomiting, doing all kinds of things. There are so many cases like that. I mean, the proof is there. (Shri Mataji says a few phrases in Marathi.) He called us to some place where there was a centre of Satya Sai Baba. He said, “Mataji, You must save those people.” When I sat there, so many children just fainted. Then they told us that, “These children have been fainting like this. You have to do something about it. And so many children are lost. They just go away. God knows how they are lost.” I told him, “Baba, his centre, let him look after now. I am fed up.” What am I to do now? I must first of all create some doctors, some realised-souls. When I have some more people to work it out, we can work it out. But one thing is there: after getting Realisation you must come, and learn it, and master everything. You become… I tell you, each and everything of Kundalini, you can just master it. It’s very easy. It is so easy and it helps you. You know this is the power of love; you must know how it is worked out. We know all the power of hatred only. Supposing somebody is very unkind to you. I’ll tell you about my husband’s secretary. She got her Realisation. And she said, “I have got neighbours, some three, four young boys, and they are horrible hippies. They are making noise, and they are troublesome, and they call me an old hen. What have I to do if they just make fun of me?” I said, “All right, what will you do?” She said, “I’m really fed up, I’m going to give up the house.” I said, “You just don’t do like that. You just go and put a bandhan on their house, every day thrice, like this, and just think of me with love.” Now she says that it is quiet like a churchyard. “They are very quiet. And they are very kind, they open the lift for me. When I go, they help me.” (A Seeker asks a question in Hindi. Shri Mataji answers first in Hindi and then continues in English.) You are the instrument. You are the instrument, you are the medicine, you are the curer, you are the doctor, you are the computer, you are everything. But you should become your Self. You have to become your Self. (Shri Mataji continues to speak in Hindi.)

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The Spirit 01 Jan 1977. [The Spirit is] the most precious thing that we have within ourselves. The preciousness of your Spirit is immeasurable and that's why it is called as a thing of eternal value - because it is infinite. You cannot measure [it]. Now God, The Almighty, we say is Sat-Chit-Anand. 'Sat' means 'the Truth'. The truth we understand in human terminology is relative. But the Sat I am telling you [about] is the Absolute from where all the relations start. Example I will tell you how to understand it: This Earth has got oceans and rivers and all kinds of waters, you can say. But Earth is enveloping all of them. If the Mother Earth was not there, there could not have been any of these existing. So we can say that Mother Earth is the support of all the things that exist on her. She is enveloping us. In the atoms she exists. In the big mountains she exists. Because the elements are part of that Earth. In the same way God Almighty, the Sat part of Him, the Truth, is the support of all the things that are created or not created. Another example you try to understand: how the Sat is the Purusha, is the God, who does not take actual part in The Creation itself but is a catalyst. The example can be like this: that I am doing all the work, I am creating everything but I have a light in my hand. Without the light I cannot do anything. Light is the support of my work. But the light does not in any way do anything about what I do. In the same way God Almighty is just a witness like a light. But His another quality is His Chitta, is His attention. When it is excited - in Sanskrit there is a very good word spuran, is 'pulsates' - when it pulsates, His attention when it pulsates, then through His attention He starts creating. And He has [a] third quality which we call as Anand. Anand is the feeling of joy that He gets by His perception by His creation. The joy that He gets. All these three things, when they are at a zero point where they meet, then they become the Principle of Brahma; where these things are one, where there is complete silence. Nothing is created, nothing is manifested, but the joy is one with the attention. Because attention has reached and merged into joy and joy has become one with the Truth. This combination of three qualities separates and creates three types of phenomena. The Anand, the joy, in God, moves with His creation and with the Truth. When the joy starts moving with the creation, the creation starts moving down, from first the Truth stage to asat [untruth], from Sat to untruth, to maya, to illusion. And [at] that time the creation starts on the right-hand side. The creative forces start working out and when it starts working out the joy in it which is on the left-hand side - is the emotional side of God - also starts becoming grosser and grosser. The Creation starts becoming grosser and the joy in it also starts becoming grosser, and the Sat, the light of God, also starts becoming grosser and grosser and grosser till they reach a stage where there is, we can say, a complete darkness of Tamoguna, the complete creation of the creativity. And the complete sleeping of the joy element exists. Clearer? Do you understand now Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati? That's why Christ said, “I am the light.” Because He represents the Sat, the light of God. And light of God becomes absolutely gross, dormant, dead, when it reaches the seventh stage of creation. All these things go deeper and deeper becoming grosser and grosser. That's one part of the parabola. Now, the another part of the parabola starts when you are ascending back to God Almighty. That grossness now gradually starts becoming higher and higher subtler and subtler and finer and finer. In that refinement you find, ultimately, [that] the light works for the evolutionary process. Gradually the grosser parts start becoming enlightened. You find the lower animal is not that much enlightened as the higher animal is. Gradually even the joy starts becoming subtler and we can call it ‘beautiful’. Human joys are much more beautiful than that of animals. So the joys also start changing their manifestation, in the sense [that] you start seeing more and more and wider range of joy comes into your hand. For example: to a dog, beauty has no meaning, decency has no meaning. So at such stage when you reach, when you are a human being, to that extent you develop your Sat, which is awareness. To that extent you also develop your joy. And to that extent you also develop your creative action. Now you see how the creativity of God passes into the hand of man when He turns around; how the joy of God passes into the hand of man and how His light comes into the heart of man as Spirit. It’s beautiful! And at that stage when you have become a human being - people say human beings have a soul. Not that others do not have but the light starts burning in a human being only. Because of that light we talk of religion, we talk of God and we talk of eternal things. But it’s a very precarious stage that is to be human beings because at this stage you have to jump only a little bit that side while you start jumping this side and that side. Because this jumping is not possible unless and until the awareness reaches that stage where you become independent and in that independence you find your own glory. This is the position, because your glory cannot be yours unless and until you are independent. As long as you are slaves or under bondage of something that is gross, how can you enjoy that eternal joy that is within you? So it is for you to expose yourself more to that joy by opening out yourself [your Self] more and more, getting subtler and cleaner, so that you feel that joy. Once you know this point that, after getting Self-realisation, unless and until these three things start merging together, you cannot feel that you have established yourself. The joy within you must be felt through your awareness, otherwise you cannot feel it. Supposing you had no eyes, how can you see me? If you were not aware to see me, how will you feel me? If you are not aware to feel me, how can you see me? If you are not aware to hear me, how can you understand me? And, once that awareness comes to you, then only the joy awakens within you because only through these subtle feelings of awareness you are going to absorb the joy. As just now you felt Him and you said, “Oh, what a beautiful thing it is!” You felt very happy. You are feeling the joy of this Creation that is taken place. And man is the summit of Creation. But only the crowning part is such a little thing, very little it is. It’s a very little distance. It crosses in no time. But only thing is that these three things have to be combined. And that's why I find that, even you get Realisation, you do not feel the silence because you have not become the light. You do not feel the joy because you have not become the Anand. That is the left side of yourself [your Self]. In everything there is joy. As human beings, only, you start seeing joys in the patterns. You see a tree bark, you open it out, you see the patterns - you call it the veneer, you call it the roughness and the smoothness - and the harmony of it! You start seeing in the matter the joy of its creation. But now, after realisation, you start feeling the joy of Creation. The summit of Creation is the human being. And that’s why, for a Sahaja Yogi, he must realise that if he tries to be say friendly or interested or involved in a person who is at a lower level, he can never get joy from that person. Only thing, what he can do, is to raise that person higher to his own level and make him also feel the same joy as you are getting. Supposing a man who is an artist marries a blind girl - what’s the use? She cannot enjoy the art created by this man. In the same way, if you are interested in your family people, in your relations, in your friends, the first thing and the highest and the greatest thing that you can give is to give them Self-realisation - means the joy of your Spirit. Expose them to the joy of their Spirit which is the most precious thing. And this is the reason why people flicker and they fiddle and they feel uneasy. They lose their joy very easily at a small thing that has passed and finished. It’s like the Ocean before you and I am there and I want you all to come into it and enjoy. It is all for you the whole thing was created for your enjoyment. You have to become subtler and subtler. We are wasting lot of time here on very gross things. You have noticed it.

The Spirit 01 Jan 1977. [The Spirit is] the most precious thing that we have within ourselves. The preciousness of your Spirit is immeasurable and that's why it is called as a thing of eternal value - because it is infinite. You cannot measure [it]. Now God, The Almighty, we say is Sat-Chit-Anand. 'Sat' means 'the Truth'. The truth we understand in human terminology is relative. But the Sat I am telling you [about] is the Absolute from where all the relations start. Example I will tell you how to understand it: This Earth has got oceans and rivers and all kinds of waters, you can say. But Earth is enveloping all of them. If the Mother Earth was not there, there could not have been any of these existing. So we can say that Mother Earth is the support of all the things that exist on her. She is enveloping us. In the atoms she exists. In the big mountains she exists. Because the elements are part of that Earth. In the same way God Almighty, the Sat part of Him, the Truth, is the support of all the things that are created or not created. Another example you try to understand: how the Sat is the Purusha, is the God, who does not take actual part in The Creation itself but is a catalyst. The example can be like this: that I am doing all the work, I am creating everything but I have a light in my hand. Without the light I cannot do anything. Light is the support of my work. But the light does not in any way do anything about what I do. In the same way God Almighty is just a witness like a light. But His another quality is His Chitta, is His attention. When it is excited - in Sanskrit there is a very good word spuran, is 'pulsates' - when it pulsates, His attention when it pulsates, then through His attention He starts creating. And He has [a] third quality which we call as Anand. Anand is the feeling of joy that He gets by His perception by His creation. The joy that He gets. All these three things, when they are at a zero point where they meet, then they become the Principle of Brahma; where these things are one, where there is complete silence. Nothing is created, nothing is manifested, but the joy is one with the attention. Because attention has reached and merged into joy and joy has become one with the Truth. This combination of three qualities separates and creates three types of phenomena. The Anand, the joy, in God, moves with His creation and with the Truth. When the joy starts moving with the creation, the creation starts moving down, from first the Truth stage to asat [untruth], from Sat to untruth, to maya, to illusion. And [at] that time the creation starts on the right-hand side. The creative forces start working out and when it starts working out the joy in it which is on the left-hand side - is the emotional side of God - also starts becoming grosser and grosser. The Creation starts becoming grosser and the joy in it also starts becoming grosser, and the Sat, the light of God, also starts becoming grosser and grosser and grosser till they reach a stage where there is, we can say, a complete darkness of Tamoguna, the complete creation of the creativity. And the complete sleeping of the joy element exists. Clearer? Do you understand now Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati? That's why Christ said, “I am the light.” Because He represents the Sat, the light of God. And light of God becomes absolutely gross, dormant, dead, when it reaches the seventh stage of creation. All these things go deeper and deeper becoming grosser and grosser. That's one part of the parabola. Now, the another part of the parabola starts when you are ascending back to God Almighty. That grossness now gradually starts becoming higher and higher subtler and subtler and finer and finer. In that refinement you find, ultimately, [that] the light works for the evolutionary process. Gradually the grosser parts start becoming enlightened. You find the lower animal is not that much enlightened as the higher animal is. Gradually even the joy starts becoming subtler and we can call it ‘beautiful’. Human joys are much more beautiful than that of animals. So the joys also start changing their manifestation, in the sense [that] you start seeing more and more and wider range of joy comes into your hand. For example: to a dog, beauty has no meaning, decency has no meaning. So at such stage when you reach, when you are a human being, to that extent you develop your Sat, which is awareness. To that extent you also develop your joy. And to that extent you also develop your creative action. Now you see how the creativity of God passes into the hand of man when He turns around; how the joy of God passes into the hand of man and how His light comes into the heart of man as Spirit. It’s beautiful! And at that stage when you have become a human being - people say human beings have a soul. Not that others do not have but the light starts burning in a human being only. Because of that light we talk of religion, we talk of God and we talk of eternal things. But it’s a very precarious stage that is to be human beings because at this stage you have to jump only a little bit that side while you start jumping this side and that side. Because this jumping is not possible unless and until the awareness reaches that stage where you become independent and in that independence you find your own glory. This is the position, because your glory cannot be yours unless and until you are independent. As long as you are slaves or under bondage of something that is gross, how can you enjoy that eternal joy that is within you? So it is for you to expose yourself more to that joy by opening out yourself [your Self] more and more, getting subtler and cleaner, so that you feel that joy. Once you know this point that, after getting Self-realisation, unless and until these three things start merging together, you cannot feel that you have established yourself. The joy within you must be felt through your awareness, otherwise you cannot feel it. Supposing you had no eyes, how can you see me? If you were not aware to see me, how will you feel me? If you are not aware to feel me, how can you see me? If you are not aware to hear me, how can you understand me? And, once that awareness comes to you, then only the joy awakens within you because only through these subtle feelings of awareness you are going to absorb the joy. As just now you felt Him and you said, “Oh, what a beautiful thing it is!” You felt very happy. You are feeling the joy of this Creation that is taken place. And man is the summit of Creation. But only the crowning part is such a little thing, very little it is. It’s a very little distance. It crosses in no time. But only thing is that these three things have to be combined. And that's why I find that, even you get Realisation, you do not feel the silence because you have not become the light. You do not feel the joy because you have not become the Anand. That is the left side of yourself [your Self]. In everything there is joy. As human beings, only, you start seeing joys in the patterns. You see a tree bark, you open it out, you see the patterns - you call it the veneer, you call it the roughness and the smoothness - and the harmony of it! You start seeing in the matter the joy of its creation. But now, after realisation, you start feeling the joy of Creation. The summit of Creation is the human being. And that’s why, for a Sahaja Yogi, he must realise that if he tries to be say friendly or interested or involved in a person who is at a lower level, he can never get joy from that person. Only thing, what he can do, is to raise that person higher to his own level and make him also feel the same joy as you are getting. Supposing a man who is an artist marries a blind girl - what’s the use? She cannot enjoy the art created by this man. In the same way, if you are interested in your family people, in your relations, in your friends, the first thing and the highest and the greatest thing that you can give is to give them Self-realisation - means the joy of your Spirit. Expose them to the joy of their Spirit which is the most precious thing. And this is the reason why people flicker and they fiddle and they feel uneasy. They lose their joy very easily at a small thing that has passed and finished. It’s like the Ocean before you and I am there and I want you all to come into it and enjoy. It is all for you the whole thing was created for your enjoyment. You have to become subtler and subtler. We are wasting lot of time here on very gross things. You have noticed it.

1/3/1977

http://amruta.org/?p=8447

Samarpan, Surrender

India

Mumbai

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English, Hindi

1977-01-03 Samarpan: Kuch bhi nahi karnahai (Surrender) [English Transcript] It is inaction. When you say how we should do it, then you are thinking, that is not Sahaj. You cannot go back saying that I don’t do anything. You are all the time forward, moving forward, saying how? [Hindi to English Translation] How will you go forward? Accepting that this event takes place towards consciousness and that consciousness itself makes it happen, we should stop trying to make any effort completely. When we are in inaction / akarma then only this consciousness happens. That means you don’t have to do anything at all. This is a very difficult task for human being. If nothing else, man keeps thinking. But when this event takes place then your thoughts stop as well because till now whatever sadhana (daily spiritual practice / effort) you have seen involves some kind of an action from you, and these actions/efforts take you outwards. Sahaja Yoga is an event that happens inside. When people ask how do you surrender, it is straight-forward, you do not have to do anything, then you are surrendered. Human beings have never walked on this path or in this direction, so this is a new thing and a new way for man in which he does not have to do anything. Instead, things happen on their own. Because man has done a lot and has gone very far away from his inner self, and that is why it is very difficult to pull such a person inwards. That is why someone’s Kundalini gets awakened instantaneously and they get their self-realization, whereas for some even their awakened Kundalini falls down again. Not doing anything, that is what surrender is. If you reach that point where you don’t do anything, where you are wordless, thoughtless. But this also is an action. For human beings, even this is doing something. So leave it all to the one who will do it. You do not have to do anything. Just leave it. If someone new has come and asks what do we need to do, then just open your palms towards me, that is it. Just keep your hands straight like this and it will happen. For those for whom this does not happen, these people here will help you afterwards. Today there are so many Sahaja Yogis here and each of them have achieved their self-realization. Not only that, they have a very deep knowledge of the Kundalini science / shastra. Each person seated here is proficient in the Kundalini science and can raise the Kundalini of thousands of people by just using their hand and finger movements, and not only that, they can also give them self-realization. And you may ask why don’t they do it then? The reason is that people do not come to Sahaja Yoga very easily. It is very difficult for a human being to come to such a place where it is told that you don’t have to give any money, where you don’t have to do anything, but just have to sit in silence. But when they are sinking, then they come. That is why Sahaja Yoga cannot work too fast because you have to give up some things in Sahaja Yoga. Meaning that all the time thinking we have to do something, we have to think about something, or we have to stand on our head or we have to perform some dravidi pranayam (Hatha yoga) or we have to read some books or we have to memorize some texts or we have to say some mantras, just leave all of this. Then after getting your self-realization you become deserving. Then whatever needs to be done happens. Akarma / Inaction only comes into action, karm rath (karm = action, rath = chariot) takes place. So how? See for yourself. Whatever has to happen will happen and whatever should not will not. There is no compulsion in this, no arguments. For whom it has to happen will happen, and for whom it doesn’t have to it won’t. If someone has blockages in chakras preventing self-realization so be it. These chakra blockages can be cleared but not argued with. People have various issues. People say we did not do it. But if they have issues then they do. These issues should be cleared. Now look out for your own swartha / selfishness. Know the meaning of Swa (Swa means self and artha means meaning). This is not going to benefit me, it benefits only you, fully. Only you are going to get all the benefit. Understand this and open your palms like this. When the event takes place, then first the kundalini rises and crosses the agnya chakra. When this happens you become thoughtless / Nirvichar. It can be called Samadhi, but Samadhi does not mean being unconscious, going into trance. But instead, you are totally conscious and aware. You are fully alert but at the same time you are thoughtless and silent. But you are listening to everything and there are no thoughts arising inside from your ego or superego. You are in peace and joy. And when Kundalini pieces your Brahmarandra / Fontanel bone then inside you these chaitanya / vibrations, about which Shankaracharya has spoken, start flowing. It is so straight-forward. You don’t have to do anything in this. Like one lit lamp can instantaneously light another, and takes the lamp from the finite to the infinite, this happens in the same way. There is no role of intelligence in this. Everyone keep your hands like this and sit comfortably. Those who have not received their self-realization yet should keep their eyes open for some time. If you have a problem sitting down, you can sit on chair. Are you sitting comfortably? If someone’s hands are shaking then keep eyes open, otherwise keep your eyes closed. Even with the eyes closed if the eye-lids are moving then you can open your eyes. Those who are swimmers they will first teach you how to swim. So keep sitting peacefully. Don’t move your hands or feet. They will come and teach you. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Are your eyes moving? Do you have any guru?

1977-01-03 Samarpan: Kuch bhi nahi karnahai (Surrender) [English Transcript] It is inaction. When you say how we should do it, then you are thinking, that is not Sahaj. You cannot go back saying that I don’t do anything. You are all the time forward, moving forward, saying how? [Hindi to English Translation] How will you go forward? Accepting that this event takes place towards consciousness and that consciousness itself makes it happen, we should stop trying to make any effort completely. When we are in inaction / akarma then only this consciousness happens. That means you don’t have to do anything at all. This is a very difficult task for human being. If nothing else, man keeps thinking. But when this event takes place then your thoughts stop as well because till now whatever sadhana (daily spiritual practice / effort) you have seen involves some kind of an action from you, and these actions/efforts take you outwards. Sahaja Yoga is an event that happens inside. When people ask how do you surrender, it is straight-forward, you do not have to do anything, then you are surrendered. Human beings have never walked on this path or in this direction, so this is a new thing and a new way for man in which he does not have to do anything. Instead, things happen on their own. Because man has done a lot and has gone very far away from his inner self, and that is why it is very difficult to pull such a person inwards. That is why someone’s Kundalini gets awakened instantaneously and they get their self-realization, whereas for some even their awakened Kundalini falls down again. Not doing anything, that is what surrender is. If you reach that point where you don’t do anything, where you are wordless, thoughtless. But this also is an action. For human beings, even this is doing something. So leave it all to the one who will do it. You do not have to do anything. Just leave it. If someone new has come and asks what do we need to do, then just open your palms towards me, that is it. Just keep your hands straight like this and it will happen. For those for whom this does not happen, these people here will help you afterwards. Today there are so many Sahaja Yogis here and each of them have achieved their self-realization. Not only that, they have a very deep knowledge of the Kundalini science / shastra. Each person seated here is proficient in the Kundalini science and can raise the Kundalini of thousands of people by just using their hand and finger movements, and not only that, they can also give them self-realization. And you may ask why don’t they do it then? The reason is that people do not come to Sahaja Yoga very easily. It is very difficult for a human being to come to such a place where it is told that you don’t have to give any money, where you don’t have to do anything, but just have to sit in silence. But when they are sinking, then they come. That is why Sahaja Yoga cannot work too fast because you have to give up some things in Sahaja Yoga. Meaning that all the time thinking we have to do something, we have to think about something, or we have to stand on our head or we have to perform some dravidi pranayam (Hatha yoga) or we have to read some books or we have to memorize some texts or we have to say some mantras, just leave all of this. Then after getting your self-realization you become deserving. Then whatever needs to be done happens. Akarma / Inaction only comes into action, karm rath (karm = action, rath = chariot) takes place. So how? See for yourself. Whatever has to happen will happen and whatever should not will not. There is no compulsion in this, no arguments. For whom it has to happen will happen, and for whom it doesn’t have to it won’t. If someone has blockages in chakras preventing self-realization so be it. These chakra blockages can be cleared but not argued with. People have various issues. People say we did not do it. But if they have issues then they do. These issues should be cleared. Now look out for your own swartha / selfishness. Know the meaning of Swa (Swa means self and artha means meaning). This is not going to benefit me, it benefits only you, fully. Only you are going to get all the benefit. Understand this and open your palms like this. When the event takes place, then first the kundalini rises and crosses the agnya chakra. When this happens you become thoughtless / Nirvichar. It can be called Samadhi, but Samadhi does not mean being unconscious, going into trance. But instead, you are totally conscious and aware. You are fully alert but at the same time you are thoughtless and silent. But you are listening to everything and there are no thoughts arising inside from your ego or superego. You are in peace and joy. And when Kundalini pieces your Brahmarandra / Fontanel bone then inside you these chaitanya / vibrations, about which Shankaracharya has spoken, start flowing. It is so straight-forward. You don’t have to do anything in this. Like one lit lamp can instantaneously light another, and takes the lamp from the finite to the infinite, this happens in the same way. There is no role of intelligence in this. Everyone keep your hands like this and sit comfortably. Those who have not received their self-realization yet should keep their eyes open for some time. If you have a problem sitting down, you can sit on chair. Are you sitting comfortably? If someone’s hands are shaking then keep eyes open, otherwise keep your eyes closed. Even with the eyes closed if the eye-lids are moving then you can open your eyes. Those who are swimmers they will first teach you how to swim. So keep sitting peacefully. Don’t move your hands or feet. They will come and teach you. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Are your eyes moving? Do you have any guru?

1/19/1977

http://amruta.org/?p=11232

Public Program

India

Satara

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Marathi

1/26/1977

http://amruta.org/?p=1026

Seminar Day 1, Questions and Answers, Advice to Realised Souls

India

Bordi

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis

English

Advice to Realised Souls, Bordi (India), 26 January 1977. I’ll try to cover most of the points that you have asked but I must say that I was very happy to hear most of the questions because that shows that your enquiry is getting subtler and subtler; that you already know about the gross side of chakras and now you want to know the subtler forms. Now the first question, which should be taken up first, is the one - “How the chakras come into human beings? What time? What stage of life?” because that should be the first question. This question is something like if we ask, “What time a primule comes into the being of a seed?” is something like that, that, a human being, when he dies - as I have told you before, he does not die fully - only a part of him dies, which is mostly the Earth element, and the rest of the elements remain there. The rest of the body disappears and we can’t see it because it is not a complete human form. It goes on decreasing in size and the Kundalini leaves the body and stays outside, outside the body. And the Atma, what we call the Spirit, also leaves the body, and stays outside the body, which is the remaining body. The constitution of this new body is different from our constitution. A light that is extinguished has all the body except for the light. But the light goes out of that body now. In the same way, in a human being who dies, the Spirit and the Kundalini leave the body, but they are around that body. And it’s a great procedure that follows which is fantastic. It’s unbelievable how the body disappears into different elements also. But first of all, let us see, when such bodies which remain like that, they go into what you call the Pretalok (प्रेत लोक - Spirit world). There they become seeds or they become smaller and smaller and smaller till one body forms an ova and what you know as a sperm. In one body it is formed. I don’t know if you have seen the division of chromosomes how it takes place? It’s a complete division. If the chromosome is like that, it’s a complete vertical division and a complete separation takes place. That is why marriages and selection of partners, all these have a great place. For ordinary bodies it does not matter for the Divine; they take place in such a manner that there can be at random connections established. For example an ova of one may combine with the sperm of another. It happens at a very lower stage of evolution; among human beings also it happens like that for some people who are just not very evolved. But mostly the ova rejects the sperms. It only accepts that sperm which is meant to be accepted. Now it is such a minute work. It is so fantastic that it is unbelievable. We have no idea as to how God works out in those. It’s absolutely tremendous that even the ova, rejects, goes on rejecting, the sperm that is not the second part of itself! And that’s how so many sperms are wasted and so many ova’s are wasted. So you can imagine that there is a tremendous machinery, which is working out this. Specially people who are realised, when they are reborn, all the forces of the Divine combine to see that these, this ova is placed with a person who is ultimately going to meet the person who has the proper sperm so that there is no problem as far as the meeting is concerned. And the Divine takes all the care of these great souls. The work of the Divine is very, very fantastic and it is beyond human conception to understand how the awareness of God can look after all the minute small things of the world. You cannot do even a small thing like attaching this to this one, unless and until you pay some human attention. So you can imagine the attention of God, who embeds so many seeds in this Mother Earth and gives you such huge, big trees! I mean, you have taken them for granted, but if you watch you will see this Fantastic, Dynamic Force behind it also, which thinks it, which does it, so perfectly. But we think that it is all automatic and that’s how we can bear it, and that’s how we can bear Sahaj yoga also, thinking that it is all automatic. The second question is, “When did the chakras that are in the body [get] embedded?” They exist in the body and they go on existing. Of course they get corrected every time the body takes birth and goes into a new seeking. And the Kundalini also, every birth you are born, is watching you as to what you are doing, how your chakras are developing, how it is working out. And through the method of balancing you or [by your] parasympathetic system, or you can call universal unconscious, the chakras are brought to its proper shape and to its proper condition by evolution. A man makes mistakes. He makes searches. He searches from one place to another. For example, he may start his search in money, then he starts his search in power, then he starts his search in love, I mean the carnal love, or he may start his search in some emotional expressions, then in art and all those things. Ultimately he finds that the search has not been alright because he has not been able to achieve any state of joyous existence. And with his search these chakras go on evolving and understanding. Now we have to know that these chakras are absolutely living entities. Because when a person is supposed to be dead, that time, all the Deities are not in the working state. But the living man has the chakras, which has got the Deities, which work out the different functions of the chakra. And it’s a very, very subtle working and these can be called as the reflecting mirrors, at different levels of our awareness, where the Deities, which are placed in the Primordial Being, the Viraata, are reflected and they, once awakened, start working out the plans of the Divine. In some of the human beings, when they are searching, these chakras find that the person or the subject is going to the extremes of things and this comes because a human being has got freedom to choose. And in his freedom he goes to the extremes, and by going to the extremes the chakras get damaged. Going to the extremes is what we call is ‘sin’. To be in the centre, to lead a moderate, simple, balanced life and stick to the values of our sustenance, is the best life. But if you start going to the extremes then the sin starts. And the sin, in the Bible it is written that, “The wages of sin is death.” So the death occurs. Now the death actually doesn’t take place but what happens is that the part of the chakra gets damaged. It can be a physical hankering, it can be mental, it can be emotional, it can be spiritual, it can be anything. If you go on working out an imbalanced solution then these chakras get spoilt at different points. That’s how your chakras get spoilt. The chakras are, according to our awareness, in different states. For example for a doctor or for all of us, we know that we have plexuses in our body, we know we have different plexuses. Like you can say pelvic plexus, we have got solar plexus, we’ve got aortic plexus, we have got cardiac plexus, we have got cervical plexus, we have got optic chiasma, we’ve got limbic area to act, or we can say pituitary and pineal bodies at optic chiasma, and then we have got limbic area where we have got certain points which are active. This every doctor knows because they have even tested the limbic area of some monkeys and they found that, if you excite the limbic area of the monkeys, with electricity, they feel very joyous. So all these chakras, in the body of a human being, are only felt as gross expressions, which we call as ‘plexuses’ in the parasympathetic and sympathetic channels. They are all connected as I have told you, that, the sympathetic comes from both the sides and creates the central channel, and that is the parasympathetic. So it depends on the balance of both these sympathetics that the parasympathetic works out well. When the balance breaks up, any imbalance can upset both of them and, when it is completely broken, then they become on their own, and that is how it is the complete so-called, ‘liberation’ of man from Gods grace. Once he’s completely ‘liberated’ from that thing he starts falling into the state of, as you call them, rakshasas. He goes to hell, he goes to the other kind of awareness where there is no feeling, no consciousness of conscience. He doesn’t think twice. He can kill a hundred people without even feeling bad about it. He loses all his emotional side and also he loses all his wisdom. What remains in him is his own ambitions and his own desires or his depravity. And he goes on without feeling any compunction or any binding from the Divine or his own dharma. So these chakras are very important for us because, first of all, they give us the balance for our everyday existence. They give us... (break in recording)...God, and we can think of subtle things and abstract things. This all comes through the help of the chakras. If you ask Me if the animals have the chakras - they have. But they don’t have all of them separated, sometimes they are confused chakras and all the chakras are not separated from each other and they are not all opened out because their evolutionary process is not yet complete. But some animals I have seen have got an awakened Kundalini and they are realised animals I have seen it. So it is possible, even for animals, to be very [much more] dharmic than men are. And sometimes it’s surprising how they can discriminate better than human beings can. Apart from that animals are kept under the bondage of God and whatever is their sustenance is done by them; they don’t have to think about it. For example a dog is a dog, a cat is a cat, and a tiger is a tiger. It’s only the human beings can be a dog, can be a scorpion, can be a snake and can be a saint. So it’s only a possibility in the human being that you can find all the animals existing side by side, and can be any time [that] these animals can come out and you may be surprised at yourself the way they suddenly jump out and start barking at you! So that is what human beings are because whatever has been in our past is within us; whatever animals we have been, is within us. So all that is there but whatever we are going to be, also is there. And whatever we are going to achieve is also there. For human beings the future, past, present exists, but for God it does not. So for Him to plan and to organise and arrange is a very easy stuff because, if you do not have such demarcating things, you just organise things much better. And His methods are because of His own awareness, status, almightiness; or it’s just His nature that He’s like that, that He can manage things very well. And you cannot explain them with one event after another event, how He has managed and how it has happened. He does it just because He is capable of doing that. He need not do it, all that, with understanding or thinking about it, as human beings do, because he does not have to think either, because He is that. He is the power and He does everything. He is the consciousness, so he does everything without putting any effort into it. And is a very different state, which perhaps you can understand, as Sahaja Yogis that, just you move your hands and you find the Kundalini moving the other side! And you may say, “Why is it moving?” after all, you must think about it. You are realised so you can do it, but not a person who is not realised; if he put’s hand like that a hundred times nothing is going to work out. Only you can raise the Kundalini. The reason is: your awareness is different and his awareness is different; your powers are different and his powers are different. So, in the same way, God, who is All Powerful, for Him, even [by] moving His finger He can move the whole Universe, after all He is God. And that’s why for human beings it is said that you better have faith in God, because that’s the best way you can solve your problem. If you go on thinking about Him you’ll all go crazy! So we have to go to a point where we can understand Him otherwise we will all go crazy understanding Him (laughing) and we all will become mad thinking, “What all these things? It’s beyond us, it is too much!” But, because in Sahaja Yoga, now your awareness has come really to such subtler forms, one can understand so many things and can understand the subtler ways of God’s doing and also understand what is possible for you through subtle methods. We can talk on subtler things but talking this to anybody who is not a Sahaja Yogi would be something madness! They wouldn’t understand a word that I’m saying. It’s only meant for the people who are Sahaja Yogis. So we came to a point where I said that, “In the gross they are expressed as plexuses in the human being.” Now this is known as the gross way. Now the subtle form you have seen, the sukshma as they call it - the subtle form. The subtle form exists in the human being, which you can see - you have seen it - the subtle form as energy when it starts pulsating, you have seen the pulsation. But this subtle form is in two forms: one is a sukshma and [the other is] ati sukshma (very subtle). Because in the sukshma you can see and a person who is a realised soul, if you are a realised soul then you see even the chakras, in the sense you can feel the chakras on your fingers. A unrealised soul can see the pulsation of the Kundalini and the different chakras with his own eyes. He can, if he watches it clearly, he can see the different chakras clearly. And you as Sahaja Yogis can feel them on your fingers and also can feel them within yourself in the collective consciousness. There is, you can say, in the second stage of sukshma, there are three stages as you can say: sukshma (सूक्ष्म), sukshmatara (सूक्ष्मतर - subtler) and sukshmatam (सूक्ष्मतम - very subtle, subtlest). These three things you can see. The first stage you see is on your fingers is the sukshmatara. But with the eyes [what] you see is a sukshma. And if your fingers or on your chakras when you feel, it is sukshmatam. So you see them in three forms. If some of the people do not feel it on the fingers [they] can feel it on the chakras also. So you can feel it in three ways. But there’s a fourth way where you can say it is in the karana, karana state. That’s a higher state where a realised soul can feel it, who is born as a realised soul can feel it. And in that state they just know like a computer. They don’t bother as to which is the one, and they don’t put hands or anything, they just feel it, it is so. As you have seen in my granddaughter’s case, she just knows what is what. Just see, you ask her, she’ll immediately say, “This is this, this is this,” - like that. It comes plain to them, absolutely -“This is this.” Now you may say that how do they know? But this procedure becomes such a compact thing - it just happens to you. Like [if] you pin prick me here and immediately the hand goes back. The whole reflex action is so quick that we can say there’s no procedure as such but it’s just a reflex action. In the same way it acts as a reflex action, so that you don’t have to worry about the purpose of it. That is the state where we say the karana state is reached. And the mahakarana state. Now this is the third stage is it? And even in the karana stage there are three stages into which one feels it. Now that is, I would say that, I need not explain because that’s beyond you people. But if you are born realised you will understand that imbalance in a personality of the three gunas is immediately perceived by a born realised person - immediately perceived! He can see through. That’s the wisdom he has gained in his previous lives and previous births and immediately they can see the imbalance that comes in. And whatever they say is so wise and they understand because they can see the imbalance of these three gunas. And, according to their own gunas, whichever are prevalent in them, these three stages exist in them the way they say. For example, some people are more tamogunis: means the ones who are very emotional type people, among them some are very emotional. So they see a person through the emotions, the way they feel in themselves. They call it a feeling. “I had a feeling for such a person. I felt that way.” That is the word they use. But supposing the person is a rajoguni, he has been working on the rajoguna, like praying to Surya and doing Gayatri [mantras] and praying to all the heavenly bodies and also the five elements, like that. If he has been doing yAgnyas and all those things he’s a rajoguni. Such people see them as lights, as electrical forms; so they see them as colours and things. So one sees it as an emotional thing another sees it as a colour or as any form. They see them as forms, as colours, lights. They see as electrical currents and some them as a different flowers. Now they are feelings and also they are these rajoguni expressions, which you can see with your eye [like] The Creation itself. But they are also feelings. So those who can see feelings more, a person who has been very loving and has dealt in this side of life, who has been a bhakti man, a dedicated man, who has been praying to God and crying for Him and asking for His help and weeping before Him with all his heart - such a man will feel a person more and a person who is a more dedicated to forms and things, [he] will see them in a different way as forms. So then they see them in colours because they’re also colours. They’re also colours and they’re also sounds. So the sound is also one of the elements, so they can see a sound. And they also see them when their Kundalini moves, they see the sound moving. Most of the people who have seen this have been the people who have been meditating through the Patanjali style of meditation where they were single people - Parashurama style (austere). And they saw these forms and they saw the movement of the Kundalini through the chakras; when it passes, it creates a sound, a word. And so they studied every sound how, which sound was created, what sound was created what colour was there. And so it is the one-sided knowledge of the right-hand side, of the people who went to the right-hand side that they say that, “This thing was created, that thing was created and then this sound was created.” Then they formed the language - it’s the original Sanskrit language which was formed. That’s why it’s called as a Devavani. And that’s why these Deities understand Sanskrit the best. When you say Sanskrit mantras they absolutely understand them very fast because this has come originally from there. They studied that and then it closed off. But other languages in India, most of the languages, were taken from Sanskrit converted into something else, brought to another form and then another Sanskrit came in - Takruta Sanskrit, then these five languages - Magadi, Paishachi, Marathi, all these languages came in. So it is derivation [of Sanskrit]. Other languages in other countries that came up was also of course the expression of the Kundalini, but they learnt it more from say, the words came from the outside; the sound of the air flowing they call it ‘ssss’, so they call it ‘s’ like that. And from the nature, whatever they learnt from outside because the approach has been more objective. So objective approach is always little less than the subjective because subjective is from inside and objective is from outside. So when you go from the objective, the deviation into the main sound that are coming from the inside, the purity is little bit deviated. And you know what is objective and subjectivity approach. So this has happened with some languages. Some languages are very, very close to Sanskrit but they too took a turn according to their gunas. Now, the Satvaguni (सत्त्वगुणि), the central path or the Satvaguni as they call it, they are also the people who have Satvaguna more in them; they see chakras in the right form. But Satvagunis should not be confused with the people who believe that if you eat this then this is satvik (centred), if you eat that that is tamasik (left-sided) or if you say this, this is satvik or if you do not kill anybody then it is satvik. In this the right perception comes in. For example, you have to explain why Krishna killed so many rakshasas. It was absolutely satva; is dharmic, absolutely dharmic. Why Durga killed so many rakshasas? She had to eat the blood of so many rakshasas. So whatever is dharmic, the wisdom, the right path comes through such people who are neither too much this side, neither that side and they know exactly what is the right way of looking at life. Such born realised people: this is a very, very far-fetched stuff; they are very few. I would say perhaps Buddha and Mahavira are the only two human beings who have gone through many lives. From one extreme to another they went and ultimately they found out that going to the extremes is not proper. Still they have not reached the complete height of an incarnation. So a model was to be created who would all the time be giving a fixed point for a person to rise to that. And these are the different models which are placed within us on our chakras. And these models are perfect points belonging to those chakras. So according to the nature of the person who is watching these chakras, one sees them and gives them importance also. Now for a person like say, [Adi] Shankacharya: Shankacharya is a born realised soul many a times. He’s not born realised once, but many a times he’s born realised, and he’s in the centre of it you can say. One of them, you can call him. So when he talks of his Mooladhara chakra, he has already done the path many-a-times and now he’s going to the subtler and subtler and subtler form. So when he says that, the Mooladhara chakra [when it] is opened out then you can walk on the water it’s correct. Because he is at that subtle stage of ascendence. One has to ascend once, second time, third time, forth time, and then you reach a stage where you start ascending. But even then it is not so important to walk on the water. What is so important to walk on the water? It’s nothing so important because it’s easy, you can take a boat and walk! It’s nothing so important! So walking on the [water], means also on the right hand side; it’s a right-hand side [power] to walk on the water or to fly in the air, all this is the right-hand side things which also can be done with the help of a boat, or what you call an aircraft or even you can use a bhoot! For that you can use a dead entity and we can make him take us to any place we feel like. It can be done! This ESP business is only that. So it can be done by other methods also. So it is nothing important. It’s sometimes very confusing when we see that some people can fly in the air! They say [that] in the subtle form they have gone. You don’t see the body moving but you see that they can feel it. The difference being that the people who are realised can guide themselves and can see the body moving but those who are not realised they find that their subtle-being is being taken out and their consciousness going with them somewhere else and they’re sitting on top of the house; from there watching themselves and they’re sitting there and they see themselves sitting down like that. These phenomenon take place. That is absolutely nothing but a soul being ridden by a dead entity. So there’s nothing great about it. That is also right-side stuff. The left hand side as I told you is the emotional feeling about things. You feel tremendous love for others and sometimes people, I would say Sainath was one of them who had this left hand side gift with him, and he was love personified. And he was so much full of love for people that once there was a woman who was very poor and she couldn’t celebrate her Diwali day and he couldn’t bear it so he gave her some water and the water became like oil and she burnt lights in that; and it’s a fact, you can do that, it’s possible. And with this power you can increase food, you increase the food stuff, like Christ did it. That’s also [using] one side (left side). So all these things come in a personality; some people have one more, another has some more, and some people have all these qualities. Some, those who are incarnations have everything. They can do everything that they want to. And they will use whatever they want to do and if they don’t want use any powers they will not use. So it’s nothing important. Supposing you see something, alright, there you can see it is a good thing. But that doesn’t mean that you should stick on to those things but you must try to do what you don’t see. For example, now you see the light coming out of somebody’s head, now that’s one side of looking at things. Another is that you can feel the another person. Don’t you feel the another person? How he is, how he meets you, how you are coming closer to that person. Can you feel that compassion for him that he’s not where you are? That also is another balancing stuff. But this should be done [only when you are solid]. This is very dangerous for some people who try to be helpful to others when they are not themselves solidified properly. So I would again warn you that when you start seeing lights and all that, try to remember that you are going on one side - you are seeing more. Then be more compassionate in your tongues, in your talking, in your behaviour. Try to have more love. Means right hand side is more developing, the left is less; is the heart. So you have to raise your Kundalini from right and left. But this is all mechanical it works out. It’s only thinking about it, “Oh, I have to develop my heart more,” the balance has to be there. This also should be there, the feeling for others. Now the feeling for others cannot be explained as I feel for others. I just, if somebody is crying anywhere, I get tears into my eyes automatically. Even if you are not crying and if you are feeling hurt about things I get this hurt feeling within Myself. Like that, you should really feel that hurt feeling and that desperate feeling and that cry. Of course it comes to some people too much but they do not have the other side. So you should have both the sides and both the balancing directors within you. So those who are seeing things more should not go on bothering about what they are seeing. “It’s coming that way, alright” because they have done that kind of tapasya so they see things. And it helps Sahaja Yoga very much because you can see for yourself who is realised who’s not realised, this thing, that thing. But still the dryness is in you. So, if it is in you, you should try to develop it. So whatever you don’t have you try to develop that. Whatever you have don’t be satisfied with that. That’s the best way you can rise. Those people who can see things should try to feel others. Those who can feel others should try to see things and it will work out that way. So this is what it is. And in the mahakarana state where the mahakarana is, that is a very, very subtlest form of state where the chakras which have got the Deities are connected with, are a reflection of, the Deities of the Viraata. Now these Deities in the Viraata are reflected in you, are awakened in you and they start moving and making the whole thing work out as it should be. Up to the karana state it is very good. But mahakarana state is the stage where it is the real - what you call the object - object and reflection. When you can come up to the object which is a really deep state of mind where you are with the object and when you are at the object you are very close to an incarnation state. So as far as you people are concerned, you should try to understand up to karana state, because beyond that how to jump and how to go is not the question just now. What’s the use of telling you about something which is a far-fetched stuff? So we’ll talk about it later. But this is how it is the four states of chakras. Now, tentza prashna? Ah, te chakra. Ha. (Marathi: His question? Ah, about chakras, yes.) He says you see it [moving] anti-clockwise. You do see, because most of the people who have seen it have seen it on other people and when you see on other people from the backside, you see it on the anti-clockwise side. But, if you see it from the front, it is clockwise, that’s why. Yogi: No, what I am saying is - you feel the chakras moving, you are outside your own body, still the chakras are moving in an anti-clockwise manner. Shri Mataji: Yes it depends on, you know, what I’ve just now told you: that the chakras, say for example, for an ordinary human being the chakras are nothing but ordinary plexuses; for a realised soul it is more than that. So the more you move into a greater wheel of your own awareness that’s how the chakras start manifesting. Now for example my chakras are working all over. All over. Do you see the difference? So it depends on the awareness of the person. As much as the light now say; that much is the extension of the light, as much [as] is the power. So that is what it is. Now is there are any questions left on chakras? Yogi: About the number of petals. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Number of petals is also gross stuff. Till you go to a certain stage where your petals are being created, because there’s a little mathematics about it, little mathematics. And all this mathematics has been worked out in a human being - how it is. But these are the…we can say that now for example, in a person now, a light is there: say 25 watts. Now 25 watts are to be converted to 60 watts or something like that. So you have to see the dimension into which the person is, [that] that portion is going to grow. It’s a big mathematics about you - the dimension to which that can grow and into what sphere it is going to penetrate. For example, the Mooladhara chakra you can take for an example now. Mooladhara chakra is actually fourth that way, because it covers the four sides of the human personality. It’s in the abstract calculation, it is the fourth side of the personality. And the fifth side, the movement in the fifth dimension, doesn’t take in the Mooladhara chakra. It takes above the Mooladhara chakra. So the fourth dimensions as shown by that. These are the different dimensions of a man. At those levels how many dimensions you touch by these tattwas (principles) - it is calculated like that. In My book I have given most of these in very great details as to what are the dimensions one touches in this state and how far you go. But the same Mooladhara becomes only two later on. But it is such a subtle and sharp two, which penetrates just like this, all over. So it depends on…you can say in a machine you have different types of bones and different types of screws and with different dents. Now what is the calculation? Is there an engineer who can say why it is so? So it is a very detailed work and it’s all worked out because the dimensions into which a human being will be going, all that is worked out and on that chakra only these is dimensions you achieve. So it has a meaning. But it’s not only four [sub] chakras. It’s not only four. It has got many petals inside and it’s a very interesting one. Actually on Mooladhara I have written a big chapter, complete. How many folds are inside and how these things work out and how many folds, what do they suggest and how far they open out, because it’s all a dimension which is worked out. For example, if you take a banyan tree, the seed is so small. A banyan tree has the smallest seed. Now why is it so? And why is it so microscopic? Because it is so dynamic. For you this is all worked out like a capsule. And it’s a capsule which is to work this dimension [and] it has to work that dimension. So it is rather a calculated stuff - which I have described. I have only described Mooladhara really in the full [way] because it makes such a big volume of one Mooladhara chakra, that I gave up about others. I have just mentioned [briefly] about them. But only Mooladhara itself, when I started describing, it became such a big, huge thing. So I gave in I said, “Now better not do other ones (chakras).” But it’s quite a complicated stuff and, God has his own stage or style of planning and we can’t question Him. He does it according to His own whim. He has his own style. But [even] His whim has understanding - everything has. You will find that sometimes, if you try to study, that if you ask Me certain things I try to answer it in a different way. Because there are His ways of doing things and He understands and that’s how He does it. But still I have tried to bring out at least Mooladhara chakra, so that human beings must understand that how complicated they are made, how God has been so careful to place their Mooladhara so well and how He has put the force there, how it’s a living machinery, how it’s working out so that people should understand the importance of their chakras and importance of their being, how important you are. You are not ordinary people. Even if there’s an ordinary tape recorder we are so careful about it. How much we should be careful about our own machinery, which is being created in ages with such great understanding, with such mechanism! Every chakra if you take up, even if you take up three yugas (ages), you won’t understand one chakra - it is such a tremendous working inside. I have of course given only the description of it and the reason why is a stage which will make you really mad! But I have tried to explain in that. You have read my [description of] Mooladhara did you? It’s quite an elaborate stuff. Gregoire: In Delhi, the question was “what is the purpose of life?” Buddhism said the purpose, I mean, of all these incarnations is to go in nirvana, which is nothingness, where nothing happens. Then in the Christian tradition, it is also ‘perfection’ which is perceived as a total union with God which is immobility. Now you said it is not like this, you are going to incarnate again and again. Then the question I would like to ask in connection with the chakra is ‘What is the purpose of life?’ I understood before that the supreme thing is to be united with God, whatever this means, and when I am united because there is no movement anymore but… Shri Mataji: But that stage I never cancelled it, that stage is not today. You see, when I said it that - just now you have to incarnate again and again - you are not at that stage. But when the whole thing…you see, nothing is wrong in any one of these. When they say, “There is a day of judgement.” But before that God is going to give you a chance. He is going to give you full chance to improve yourself [and] go to that position. Like that, we can say that, first the trees are brought into being by sowing the seeds. Then the trees grow up. Then there are flowers, then the flowers are again, they become seeds. Then again the trees and again this thing, until again they reach a certain stage, till they have completely ripened then they remove the whole thing and the whole thing becomes the Brahma itself. And whatever is a waste matter is thrown out. So ultimately it’s the union. But the union of your being means with God. It’s a much greater state. First of all it’s the purification point. For your purification you are to be born again. You have not reached that stage where you should become mahanirvana, have you? If you become, might be [that] you might land up in hell so better not try that! See, you must understand that just now, at this stage you have to go further, purifying yourself till you reach a certain stage where, when you reach a certain stage, at that time, God has given you enough chance, enough chance to improve yourself. [But if] still you are rakshasas then you are not going to be tried any more. But it’s quite near, I must say. You cannot now allow it to take to chance it’s not, it’s quite near. One of the butchery is going to be very close, is very close; I mean I would say can be anytime. So you be careful! I mean, it’s just there. So many have to be neutralised because they are just very troublesome. So it can be quite close. So just be careful about it. So, if everything fits into everything else but what happens is every religion, part of it is said so this cuts out the other. Supposing I say, “You have to go to this room,” now if I say that, “You have to come two steps that side,” and then I say, “You have to come three steps this side,” these are all connected stuff but because it is said only three steps here so you say, “Then in that religion it is said three steps inside you and what about those two steps?” I have to tell about them also. Because I have to tell about all those two steps [that] you have to take first, I better not tell about these three steps because you’ll put your eyes, “oh, very nice!” It’s not going to come in a plate (easily). You have to work it out consciously. Understand now. Yogi: Where do the chakras go after death? Shri Mataji: Chakras exist within you, chakras is a play. They just only exist within you. Yogi: Within the Earth element? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. They are in the body only, they are in the body. The body is itself like a seed, you become like a seed. But they are potent (potential?). You can’t see them. Chakra is a state. Yogi: I think chakra and Kundalini must be together? Shri Mataji: No, no. It is something like a light going out and the tube is still there. It is like that the Kundalini. But it stays on top of the head of the person. The only difference is, supposing, the light goes out and stays nearby. You see the potential is there in the light. It is like that. The place for the light to pass is there. Question: And one more thing you have said about sympathetic and parasympathetic, when they separate out then that person goes to the extremities, the extremes and in that case, you know what happens, before our realisation whether they are separated. Shri Mataji: No, no. They’re already separated in the gross they are separated; inside also they’re separated but there’s a void because yes, that is the only problem. The Kundalini gets enlightened when it faces me and it immediately starts rising. Or when you people [also], because you are also Sahaja Yogis. It doesn’t happen with anybody else you will be amazed you know. So now what is the other question? Question: How do the chakras move in the body; is it horizontally? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. That is true, they are moving horizontally. They are moving horizontal but when you move them like this, you see; like you have seen the wheel… Question: Why not you go this way? Shri Mataji: No it doesn’t work out. It works out better this way. Because these are the things that are emitting. If you do it like this it goes down. This way these are moving you can move this. You have seen that in a watch there are some like this parallel and some are like this. Ata dusra kai prashna ahe? (Marathi: now what other question is there?) Yogini: Mataji, the fake gurus have damaged the chakras. How do they do it? And what should be done about it? Shri Mataji: You see, what gurus do is they use different chakras for introducing into the sympathetic nervous system some entities which they have controlled. They do not control many entities as such, but what happens, for example now I would say, during war many people died just like that; killed there. In those countries, those souls, they never had a [normal] human life and they were treated just like animals and they were very much tortured. So they had that feeling in their minds that, “We should also torture these people.” So when they die they do not die really and they do not get into the pretloka. They stay in the atmosphere and that’s why wars are very bad things, because wars create such human beings much more, with accidents and people who are very depraved in life, very dissatisfied who are doing all kinds of depraved actions and secretive things and all kinds of horrid things. All such people, all of them, when they die they do not really go to pretaloka because they don’t think of their salvation but they are just thinking of their lust, greed or possessions, those who are grabbing things, thieves and all sorts of people. We can call ‘evil’ people and satanic people, when they die they find they become much more subtler and they can be better off if they act in a subtle body. So they use their subtle body for acting into people and such people are easily available. So these gurus, what they do, that they themselves are evil geniuses, and they have a way of capturing those people and they use them. And they introduce to you through your different chakras. For example, Ravana had a capacity to speak and in his speech he used to introduce rakshasas into the human beings in Ceylon. Otherwise imagine in Lanka, people should never fight Rama, because at that time the sensitivity of people was so great that they knew that Rama was an incarnation. They were not gross as today they are, that one has to tell that, “Oh, here I am the incarnation.” That time it was not Kali Yuga so they knew he was an incarnation. And so many of them, I mean some of them did not, but quite a lot of them knew and despite that nobody could oppose it because their mind was captured by these entities put [into them] by Ravana and they fought Him. So, it was so, even at the time of Krishna: people knew who He was at least they had quite an idea, even Kauravas new about it. But this Kali Yuga is a wretched thing, nobody see anything clearly. But those times were not like that. People knew who was an incarnation and they understood it. And that time also, these people had to use some sort of a way of putting them off and they used this method of enticement. And when they used this method of enticement, in that use, they learned also subtler ways and subtler ways which they are using in the Kali Yuga very well. They are actually rakshasas and they know these methods how to entice people. There are so many ways of doing it. And when you bend your head before them that is the best time when they can put it into your ego and they can finish you off for once and for all. So that’s how they do it. And you are no more yourself! First of all they act on your heart: you become a nervous person your hands start shaking your feet start shaking; they act on your heart chakra. You lose the power of raksha (रक्षा - protection) which is the basic point of the heart chakra. And then, once you start losing the grip over your nerves you find that [it’s] as if somebody is doing for you. And if you take somebody’s name you start jumping and you don’t know anything - it’s an experience. There are so many things they do like that - thousand and one. But human beings, as a whole in the Kali Yuga, instead of improving has gone down absolutely in his conception of Divinity and in everything, I mean he’s a hopeless case otherwise! But by God’s grace Sahaja Yoga may save him. They way it is I mean he’s very, very blunt, he cannot think, he’s very insensitive. And he carries on all kinds of his malpractices thinking that he’s the rarest saint ever born. That’s another great quality of Kali Yuga! This is the problem. They have no conscience left now to tell them that this is wrong or that is wrong, they’ve killed it. Everywhere it is so. Tumhi shalid chi mulad ka? (Marathi: your kids are in school?) Yogi: Ho. (yes) Shri Mataji: Achcha (ok). Ata dusra prashna (Marathi: now another question) Yogi: How music works on the five chakras? Shri Mataji: All these five elements are very important in our body and they are the body of the chakras also as I have told you. So what happens that, when you sing the music, the vibrations can go through the musical sound and can excite certain chakras. For example, for the hrday (heart) chakra it is very good or also for the Vishuddhi chakra it is very good. Not for all the chakras. But certain chakras it does. But supposing you say a mantra, that’s the sound, with beautiful music and a realised soul then it is very effective. For example, Ganesha you can excite him with a beautiful sloka if you are a realised soul and if your Ganesha is correct, you can excite the Ganesha of another person very easily, I mean such a person can do it. So music, sound, all these things have an effect and we are now using that method very extensively. But supposing now, we go in a mass meditation and many people are there and some chakra is caught, say Vishuddhi is caught, I can correct their Vishuddhi by just putting My finger on this, like this, because this has the sound, this is in the chakras, there is a micro-sound which is carrying the vibrations. Actually the part of the vibrations is the micro-sound also, micro-light, micro-sound and all the five elements are micro there. So when I put my finger the micro sound can carry the rest of them and the person can be corrected. We can do it. Specially Vishuddhi. Very easy to correct Vishuddhi on that. You can correct most of the things but certain things are very easily corrected. Vishuddhi, which is responsible for the sound, made from the sound element. As we have seen that water element is very good for treating people for the lower chakras, up to the heart chakra, because the water and salt can help you for the Nabhi chakra because salt is the earth element and it is essence of the ocean and the essence of the ocean is in the bhavasagara. So we can use salt water for clearing the lower chakras. We can use light for the eyes because, this is made out of the prakash, the light, light element. Like that different things can be done. And with these different elements if you use them, you can make all the dirt or all the obstructions, which are collected in your particular chakra by putting them back into the same element and cleansing them out so the element takes it away. For Mother Earth also, She has so many elements in Her that She can take away so many of your problems which are troubling you, in your being, because of some imbalance of the Mother Earth element. This is all due to the imbalance of these elements in you, accumulated more beyond than what you want it. That’s why I said, “the extreme of it.” Bhu tattwa (Earth element) is expressed through Shri Ganesh and Shri Ganesh is the form of the purified principle of the Earth element and is the same. In a flute you have two notes -the first and the last are the same. In the same way in a human being the seven notes, the first one is a Ganesha and the last one is also a Ganesha. So these seven notes are the same. And these seven notes make the Earth element and not completely Earth element but started with earth element purified. When it loses its Earth element problems completely it is Parabrahma, it becomes all Brahma. Because Earth element is, outside is the Earth element but inside is dhara, is dhara, is dharana - is the power to sustain, is the power to sustain. And that power is the purest form of Earth principle (tattwa). So, that you become later on; gradually the whole Earth element drops down and you become that. So it is the dharana shakti as they call it: the power of sustenance. Is the Ganesha. So, like that, in every chakra you have a very subtle and subtle-most point. And that subtle-most point is the note that the Divine is playing at that point, because every note has a different frequency, a different intonation, a different sound, which helps in the melody of this Universe. So, like that, we have seven chakras and the seven notes. And they are different notes but these notes then create permutations and combinations and that is how a chakra gets into a swara (musical note) and then it becomes a sound, and from a sound it becomes a word, and from word it becomes a language and like that it goes on and the same subtle form starts becoming something else. For example if I have love for my children: how [do] I express it? I make a house for them, I make a place to live for them, I cook food for them, I make a bed for them. It’s a gross expression of that subtle love I have. In the same way whatever is subtle within us is expressed outside with the help of the elements that are outside, to express the subtle through our gross behaviour or gross material things we do. So, it’s the same subtle which is expressing outside. But then we become so gross later on that we forget the inner part of it. A Mother may create something, all these things and then she becomes so possessive of her children, she’ll think, “I’ve done so much for my children,” that she wouldn’t even think why she has made it! She forgets the love part of it and she becomes nothing but the gross thing. She just starts scolding the children, even for breaking a small thing here and there. She does this for love, and then she forgets it. That’s what is an extreme behaviour. Extreme behaviour means, from the subtle, you get to the gross and the gross, and the grosser. Once you become grosser you are dead. Ata kai prashna? (Marathi: Now what question?) Yogi: (asks question about badhas) Shri Mataji: Those who can see badhas are on the emotional side. They can see the badhas. There also you can see two types of people. Those who already themselves in badha, they can see badhas, very clearly; they can see the dead persons. Those who are already badha can see that another person has got a badha because they are in the collective subconscious themselves, so they can see. And a person can see, the one who is a drunkard - he can see. A person who is drunk can see a badha in another person because he is a subconscious type, he likes it. But some people can achieve a state in an emotional way that they can see badha clearly. If they are realised souls, the emotional state, people say, the bhakti people can see a badha there. But even the supra-conscious people can see a light coming before them, they can see somebody standing before them like a light and then say that, “There’s a light coming.” They might get fragrance or things like that can happen. They are called as tanmatras (तन्मात्र – subtle element) is the causal principle of all the Universe, causal - tanmatras. Means for Earth the causal principle is fragrance. So, supposing somebody has done a lot of search in the field of say, Earth element, so such a person can get a lot of fragrance, he can. It is a variety everywhere created because of their different searches and because of their different seeking. You see badha, just say somebody has a badha or not. If he has Agnya and a heart it’s definitely a badha. And you just ask the person to put their hands before the photograph and he starts shaking. Normally he shakes. I don’t know how you should make it out but it’s very easy you can make out; they cannot put their eyes towards my photograph. If you ask them to close their eyes their eyes will start flickering, hands will start shaking, eyes will always flicker. slightest ?? will show on the eyelids - like this. Badha, can be of many types. Some people just have for the time being, some people have permanent residence, some have bags full! So you just can’t say what it will be. You just don’t worry about these things. The thing is, people think that there’s only one type of badha - is emotional badha. There can be both types. A person who is very egotistical also is dominated by somebody else. Abnormal area, abnormal behaviour, who is not a normal person, can come from anywhere. There is no difference between sunlight and sun, moonlight and moon. So there is no difference at all. It is only the human beings who think there are two stuffs. It is an advaita (अद्वैत -non-duality), which one and the same thing. For example, now, this bangle is beautifying my hand. So what is the difference between this bangle and the beautification? Is the quality of a person. Is the quality. It’s like the ?? and ??. You will take out the rest of it and you will say that this is all useless. It’s not that. In everything this is all there, it’s one. What is the essence of sunlight and sun? Sun has no meaning without sunlight. Sunlight has no meaning without sun. It is not essence, it is everything but. You can say water and a ice. There is no difference at all. Human beings cannot conceive it, that’s the trouble with the human mind, because it is an advaita. Human beings cannot see it, they think of two (manifold) things always. Through perception it is not possible for you to perceive it, but you can understand by analogies. Many things human beings can’t understand. You just cannot, because you have a limited brain, you have a limited awareness, you have limited love.

Advice to Realised Souls, Bordi (India), 26 January 1977. I’ll try to cover most of the points that you have asked but I must say that I was very happy to hear most of the questions because that shows that your enquiry is getting subtler and subtler; that you already know about the gross side of chakras and now you want to know the subtler forms. Now the first question, which should be taken up first, is the one - “How the chakras come into human beings? What time? What stage of life?” because that should be the first question. This question is something like if we ask, “What time a primule comes into the being of a seed?” is something like that, that, a human being, when he dies - as I have told you before, he does not die fully - only a part of him dies, which is mostly the Earth element, and the rest of the elements remain there. The rest of the body disappears and we can’t see it because it is not a complete human form. It goes on decreasing in size and the Kundalini leaves the body and stays outside, outside the body. And the Atma, what we call the Spirit, also leaves the body, and stays outside the body, which is the remaining body. The constitution of this new body is different from our constitution. A light that is extinguished has all the body except for the light. But the light goes out of that body now. In the same way, in a human being who dies, the Spirit and the Kundalini leave the body, but they are around that body. And it’s a great procedure that follows which is fantastic. It’s unbelievable how the body disappears into different elements also. But first of all, let us see, when such bodies which remain like that, they go into what you call the Pretalok (प्रेत लोक - Spirit world). There they become seeds or they become smaller and smaller and smaller till one body forms an ova and what you know as a sperm. In one body it is formed. I don’t know if you have seen the division of chromosomes how it takes place? It’s a complete division. If the chromosome is like that, it’s a complete vertical division and a complete separation takes place. That is why marriages and selection of partners, all these have a great place. For ordinary bodies it does not matter for the Divine; they take place in such a manner that there can be at random connections established. For example an ova of one may combine with the sperm of another. It happens at a very lower stage of evolution; among human beings also it happens like that for some people who are just not very evolved. But mostly the ova rejects the sperms. It only accepts that sperm which is meant to be accepted. Now it is such a minute work. It is so fantastic that it is unbelievable. We have no idea as to how God works out in those. It’s absolutely tremendous that even the ova, rejects, goes on rejecting, the sperm that is not the second part of itself! And that’s how so many sperms are wasted and so many ova’s are wasted. So you can imagine that there is a tremendous machinery, which is working out this. Specially people who are realised, when they are reborn, all the forces of the Divine combine to see that these, this ova is placed with a person who is ultimately going to meet the person who has the proper sperm so that there is no problem as far as the meeting is concerned. And the Divine takes all the care of these great souls. The work of the Divine is very, very fantastic and it is beyond human conception to understand how the awareness of God can look after all the minute small things of the world. You cannot do even a small thing like attaching this to this one, unless and until you pay some human attention. So you can imagine the attention of God, who embeds so many seeds in this Mother Earth and gives you such huge, big trees! I mean, you have taken them for granted, but if you watch you will see this Fantastic, Dynamic Force behind it also, which thinks it, which does it, so perfectly. But we think that it is all automatic and that’s how we can bear it, and that’s how we can bear Sahaj yoga also, thinking that it is all automatic. The second question is, “When did the chakras that are in the body [get] embedded?” They exist in the body and they go on existing. Of course they get corrected every time the body takes birth and goes into a new seeking. And the Kundalini also, every birth you are born, is watching you as to what you are doing, how your chakras are developing, how it is working out. And through the method of balancing you or [by your] parasympathetic system, or you can call universal unconscious, the chakras are brought to its proper shape and to its proper condition by evolution. A man makes mistakes. He makes searches. He searches from one place to another. For example, he may start his search in money, then he starts his search in power, then he starts his search in love, I mean the carnal love, or he may start his search in some emotional expressions, then in art and all those things. Ultimately he finds that the search has not been alright because he has not been able to achieve any state of joyous existence. And with his search these chakras go on evolving and understanding. Now we have to know that these chakras are absolutely living entities. Because when a person is supposed to be dead, that time, all the Deities are not in the working state. But the living man has the chakras, which has got the Deities, which work out the different functions of the chakra. And it’s a very, very subtle working and these can be called as the reflecting mirrors, at different levels of our awareness, where the Deities, which are placed in the Primordial Being, the Viraata, are reflected and they, once awakened, start working out the plans of the Divine. In some of the human beings, when they are searching, these chakras find that the person or the subject is going to the extremes of things and this comes because a human being has got freedom to choose. And in his freedom he goes to the extremes, and by going to the extremes the chakras get damaged. Going to the extremes is what we call is ‘sin’. To be in the centre, to lead a moderate, simple, balanced life and stick to the values of our sustenance, is the best life. But if you start going to the extremes then the sin starts. And the sin, in the Bible it is written that, “The wages of sin is death.” So the death occurs. Now the death actually doesn’t take place but what happens is that the part of the chakra gets damaged. It can be a physical hankering, it can be mental, it can be emotional, it can be spiritual, it can be anything. If you go on working out an imbalanced solution then these chakras get spoilt at different points. That’s how your chakras get spoilt. The chakras are, according to our awareness, in different states. For example for a doctor or for all of us, we know that we have plexuses in our body, we know we have different plexuses. Like you can say pelvic plexus, we have got solar plexus, we’ve got aortic plexus, we have got cardiac plexus, we have got cervical plexus, we have got optic chiasma, we’ve got limbic area to act, or we can say pituitary and pineal bodies at optic chiasma, and then we have got limbic area where we have got certain points which are active. This every doctor knows because they have even tested the limbic area of some monkeys and they found that, if you excite the limbic area of the monkeys, with electricity, they feel very joyous. So all these chakras, in the body of a human being, are only felt as gross expressions, which we call as ‘plexuses’ in the parasympathetic and sympathetic channels. They are all connected as I have told you, that, the sympathetic comes from both the sides and creates the central channel, and that is the parasympathetic. So it depends on the balance of both these sympathetics that the parasympathetic works out well. When the balance breaks up, any imbalance can upset both of them and, when it is completely broken, then they become on their own, and that is how it is the complete so-called, ‘liberation’ of man from Gods grace. Once he’s completely ‘liberated’ from that thing he starts falling into the state of, as you call them, rakshasas. He goes to hell, he goes to the other kind of awareness where there is no feeling, no consciousness of conscience. He doesn’t think twice. He can kill a hundred people without even feeling bad about it. He loses all his emotional side and also he loses all his wisdom. What remains in him is his own ambitions and his own desires or his depravity. And he goes on without feeling any compunction or any binding from the Divine or his own dharma. So these chakras are very important for us because, first of all, they give us the balance for our everyday existence. They give us... (break in recording)...God, and we can think of subtle things and abstract things. This all comes through the help of the chakras. If you ask Me if the animals have the chakras - they have. But they don’t have all of them separated, sometimes they are confused chakras and all the chakras are not separated from each other and they are not all opened out because their evolutionary process is not yet complete. But some animals I have seen have got an awakened Kundalini and they are realised animals I have seen it. So it is possible, even for animals, to be very [much more] dharmic than men are. And sometimes it’s surprising how they can discriminate better than human beings can. Apart from that animals are kept under the bondage of God and whatever is their sustenance is done by them; they don’t have to think about it. For example a dog is a dog, a cat is a cat, and a tiger is a tiger. It’s only the human beings can be a dog, can be a scorpion, can be a snake and can be a saint. So it’s only a possibility in the human being that you can find all the animals existing side by side, and can be any time [that] these animals can come out and you may be surprised at yourself the way they suddenly jump out and start barking at you! So that is what human beings are because whatever has been in our past is within us; whatever animals we have been, is within us. So all that is there but whatever we are going to be, also is there. And whatever we are going to achieve is also there. For human beings the future, past, present exists, but for God it does not. So for Him to plan and to organise and arrange is a very easy stuff because, if you do not have such demarcating things, you just organise things much better. And His methods are because of His own awareness, status, almightiness; or it’s just His nature that He’s like that, that He can manage things very well. And you cannot explain them with one event after another event, how He has managed and how it has happened. He does it just because He is capable of doing that. He need not do it, all that, with understanding or thinking about it, as human beings do, because he does not have to think either, because He is that. He is the power and He does everything. He is the consciousness, so he does everything without putting any effort into it. And is a very different state, which perhaps you can understand, as Sahaja Yogis that, just you move your hands and you find the Kundalini moving the other side! And you may say, “Why is it moving?” after all, you must think about it. You are realised so you can do it, but not a person who is not realised; if he put’s hand like that a hundred times nothing is going to work out. Only you can raise the Kundalini. The reason is: your awareness is different and his awareness is different; your powers are different and his powers are different. So, in the same way, God, who is All Powerful, for Him, even [by] moving His finger He can move the whole Universe, after all He is God. And that’s why for human beings it is said that you better have faith in God, because that’s the best way you can solve your problem. If you go on thinking about Him you’ll all go crazy! So we have to go to a point where we can understand Him otherwise we will all go crazy understanding Him (laughing) and we all will become mad thinking, “What all these things? It’s beyond us, it is too much!” But, because in Sahaja Yoga, now your awareness has come really to such subtler forms, one can understand so many things and can understand the subtler ways of God’s doing and also understand what is possible for you through subtle methods. We can talk on subtler things but talking this to anybody who is not a Sahaja Yogi would be something madness! They wouldn’t understand a word that I’m saying. It’s only meant for the people who are Sahaja Yogis. So we came to a point where I said that, “In the gross they are expressed as plexuses in the human being.” Now this is known as the gross way. Now the subtle form you have seen, the sukshma as they call it - the subtle form. The subtle form exists in the human being, which you can see - you have seen it - the subtle form as energy when it starts pulsating, you have seen the pulsation. But this subtle form is in two forms: one is a sukshma and [the other is] ati sukshma (very subtle). Because in the sukshma you can see and a person who is a realised soul, if you are a realised soul then you see even the chakras, in the sense you can feel the chakras on your fingers. A unrealised soul can see the pulsation of the Kundalini and the different chakras with his own eyes. He can, if he watches it clearly, he can see the different chakras clearly. And you as Sahaja Yogis can feel them on your fingers and also can feel them within yourself in the collective consciousness. There is, you can say, in the second stage of sukshma, there are three stages as you can say: sukshma (सूक्ष्म), sukshmatara (सूक्ष्मतर - subtler) and sukshmatam (सूक्ष्मतम - very subtle, subtlest). These three things you can see. The first stage you see is on your fingers is the sukshmatara. But with the eyes [what] you see is a sukshma. And if your fingers or on your chakras when you feel, it is sukshmatam. So you see them in three forms. If some of the people do not feel it on the fingers [they] can feel it on the chakras also. So you can feel it in three ways. But there’s a fourth way where you can say it is in the karana, karana state. That’s a higher state where a realised soul can feel it, who is born as a realised soul can feel it. And in that state they just know like a computer. They don’t bother as to which is the one, and they don’t put hands or anything, they just feel it, it is so. As you have seen in my granddaughter’s case, she just knows what is what. Just see, you ask her, she’ll immediately say, “This is this, this is this,” - like that. It comes plain to them, absolutely -“This is this.” Now you may say that how do they know? But this procedure becomes such a compact thing - it just happens to you. Like [if] you pin prick me here and immediately the hand goes back. The whole reflex action is so quick that we can say there’s no procedure as such but it’s just a reflex action. In the same way it acts as a reflex action, so that you don’t have to worry about the purpose of it. That is the state where we say the karana state is reached. And the mahakarana state. Now this is the third stage is it? And even in the karana stage there are three stages into which one feels it. Now that is, I would say that, I need not explain because that’s beyond you people. But if you are born realised you will understand that imbalance in a personality of the three gunas is immediately perceived by a born realised person - immediately perceived! He can see through. That’s the wisdom he has gained in his previous lives and previous births and immediately they can see the imbalance that comes in. And whatever they say is so wise and they understand because they can see the imbalance of these three gunas. And, according to their own gunas, whichever are prevalent in them, these three stages exist in them the way they say. For example, some people are more tamogunis: means the ones who are very emotional type people, among them some are very emotional. So they see a person through the emotions, the way they feel in themselves. They call it a feeling. “I had a feeling for such a person. I felt that way.” That is the word they use. But supposing the person is a rajoguni, he has been working on the rajoguna, like praying to Surya and doing Gayatri [mantras] and praying to all the heavenly bodies and also the five elements, like that. If he has been doing yAgnyas and all those things he’s a rajoguni. Such people see them as lights, as electrical forms; so they see them as colours and things. So one sees it as an emotional thing another sees it as a colour or as any form. They see them as forms, as colours, lights. They see as electrical currents and some them as a different flowers. Now they are feelings and also they are these rajoguni expressions, which you can see with your eye [like] The Creation itself. But they are also feelings. So those who can see feelings more, a person who has been very loving and has dealt in this side of life, who has been a bhakti man, a dedicated man, who has been praying to God and crying for Him and asking for His help and weeping before Him with all his heart - such a man will feel a person more and a person who is a more dedicated to forms and things, [he] will see them in a different way as forms. So then they see them in colours because they’re also colours. They’re also colours and they’re also sounds. So the sound is also one of the elements, so they can see a sound. And they also see them when their Kundalini moves, they see the sound moving. Most of the people who have seen this have been the people who have been meditating through the Patanjali style of meditation where they were single people - Parashurama style (austere). And they saw these forms and they saw the movement of the Kundalini through the chakras; when it passes, it creates a sound, a word. And so they studied every sound how, which sound was created, what sound was created what colour was there. And so it is the one-sided knowledge of the right-hand side, of the people who went to the right-hand side that they say that, “This thing was created, that thing was created and then this sound was created.” Then they formed the language - it’s the original Sanskrit language which was formed. That’s why it’s called as a Devavani. And that’s why these Deities understand Sanskrit the best. When you say Sanskrit mantras they absolutely understand them very fast because this has come originally from there. They studied that and then it closed off. But other languages in India, most of the languages, were taken from Sanskrit converted into something else, brought to another form and then another Sanskrit came in - Takruta Sanskrit, then these five languages - Magadi, Paishachi, Marathi, all these languages came in. So it is derivation [of Sanskrit]. Other languages in other countries that came up was also of course the expression of the Kundalini, but they learnt it more from say, the words came from the outside; the sound of the air flowing they call it ‘ssss’, so they call it ‘s’ like that. And from the nature, whatever they learnt from outside because the approach has been more objective. So objective approach is always little less than the subjective because subjective is from inside and objective is from outside. So when you go from the objective, the deviation into the main sound that are coming from the inside, the purity is little bit deviated. And you know what is objective and subjectivity approach. So this has happened with some languages. Some languages are very, very close to Sanskrit but they too took a turn according to their gunas. Now, the Satvaguni (सत्त्वगुणि), the central path or the Satvaguni as they call it, they are also the people who have Satvaguna more in them; they see chakras in the right form. But Satvagunis should not be confused with the people who believe that if you eat this then this is satvik (centred), if you eat that that is tamasik (left-sided) or if you say this, this is satvik or if you do not kill anybody then it is satvik. In this the right perception comes in. For example, you have to explain why Krishna killed so many rakshasas. It was absolutely satva; is dharmic, absolutely dharmic. Why Durga killed so many rakshasas? She had to eat the blood of so many rakshasas. So whatever is dharmic, the wisdom, the right path comes through such people who are neither too much this side, neither that side and they know exactly what is the right way of looking at life. Such born realised people: this is a very, very far-fetched stuff; they are very few. I would say perhaps Buddha and Mahavira are the only two human beings who have gone through many lives. From one extreme to another they went and ultimately they found out that going to the extremes is not proper. Still they have not reached the complete height of an incarnation. So a model was to be created who would all the time be giving a fixed point for a person to rise to that. And these are the different models which are placed within us on our chakras. And these models are perfect points belonging to those chakras. So according to the nature of the person who is watching these chakras, one sees them and gives them importance also. Now for a person like say, [Adi] Shankacharya: Shankacharya is a born realised soul many a times. He’s not born realised once, but many a times he’s born realised, and he’s in the centre of it you can say. One of them, you can call him. So when he talks of his Mooladhara chakra, he has already done the path many-a-times and now he’s going to the subtler and subtler and subtler form. So when he says that, the Mooladhara chakra [when it] is opened out then you can walk on the water it’s correct. Because he is at that subtle stage of ascendence. One has to ascend once, second time, third time, forth time, and then you reach a stage where you start ascending. But even then it is not so important to walk on the water. What is so important to walk on the water? It’s nothing so important because it’s easy, you can take a boat and walk! It’s nothing so important! So walking on the [water], means also on the right hand side; it’s a right-hand side [power] to walk on the water or to fly in the air, all this is the right-hand side things which also can be done with the help of a boat, or what you call an aircraft or even you can use a bhoot! For that you can use a dead entity and we can make him take us to any place we feel like. It can be done! This ESP business is only that. So it can be done by other methods also. So it is nothing important. It’s sometimes very confusing when we see that some people can fly in the air! They say [that] in the subtle form they have gone. You don’t see the body moving but you see that they can feel it. The difference being that the people who are realised can guide themselves and can see the body moving but those who are not realised they find that their subtle-being is being taken out and their consciousness going with them somewhere else and they’re sitting on top of the house; from there watching themselves and they’re sitting there and they see themselves sitting down like that. These phenomenon take place. That is absolutely nothing but a soul being ridden by a dead entity. So there’s nothing great about it. That is also right-side stuff. The left hand side as I told you is the emotional feeling about things. You feel tremendous love for others and sometimes people, I would say Sainath was one of them who had this left hand side gift with him, and he was love personified. And he was so much full of love for people that once there was a woman who was very poor and she couldn’t celebrate her Diwali day and he couldn’t bear it so he gave her some water and the water became like oil and she burnt lights in that; and it’s a fact, you can do that, it’s possible. And with this power you can increase food, you increase the food stuff, like Christ did it. That’s also [using] one side (left side). So all these things come in a personality; some people have one more, another has some more, and some people have all these qualities. Some, those who are incarnations have everything. They can do everything that they want to. And they will use whatever they want to do and if they don’t want use any powers they will not use. So it’s nothing important. Supposing you see something, alright, there you can see it is a good thing. But that doesn’t mean that you should stick on to those things but you must try to do what you don’t see. For example, now you see the light coming out of somebody’s head, now that’s one side of looking at things. Another is that you can feel the another person. Don’t you feel the another person? How he is, how he meets you, how you are coming closer to that person. Can you feel that compassion for him that he’s not where you are? That also is another balancing stuff. But this should be done [only when you are solid]. This is very dangerous for some people who try to be helpful to others when they are not themselves solidified properly. So I would again warn you that when you start seeing lights and all that, try to remember that you are going on one side - you are seeing more. Then be more compassionate in your tongues, in your talking, in your behaviour. Try to have more love. Means right hand side is more developing, the left is less; is the heart. So you have to raise your Kundalini from right and left. But this is all mechanical it works out. It’s only thinking about it, “Oh, I have to develop my heart more,” the balance has to be there. This also should be there, the feeling for others. Now the feeling for others cannot be explained as I feel for others. I just, if somebody is crying anywhere, I get tears into my eyes automatically. Even if you are not crying and if you are feeling hurt about things I get this hurt feeling within Myself. Like that, you should really feel that hurt feeling and that desperate feeling and that cry. Of course it comes to some people too much but they do not have the other side. So you should have both the sides and both the balancing directors within you. So those who are seeing things more should not go on bothering about what they are seeing. “It’s coming that way, alright” because they have done that kind of tapasya so they see things. And it helps Sahaja Yoga very much because you can see for yourself who is realised who’s not realised, this thing, that thing. But still the dryness is in you. So, if it is in you, you should try to develop it. So whatever you don’t have you try to develop that. Whatever you have don’t be satisfied with that. That’s the best way you can rise. Those people who can see things should try to feel others. Those who can feel others should try to see things and it will work out that way. So this is what it is. And in the mahakarana state where the mahakarana is, that is a very, very subtlest form of state where the chakras which have got the Deities are connected with, are a reflection of, the Deities of the Viraata. Now these Deities in the Viraata are reflected in you, are awakened in you and they start moving and making the whole thing work out as it should be. Up to the karana state it is very good. But mahakarana state is the stage where it is the real - what you call the object - object and reflection. When you can come up to the object which is a really deep state of mind where you are with the object and when you are at the object you are very close to an incarnation state. So as far as you people are concerned, you should try to understand up to karana state, because beyond that how to jump and how to go is not the question just now. What’s the use of telling you about something which is a far-fetched stuff? So we’ll talk about it later. But this is how it is the four states of chakras. Now, tentza prashna? Ah, te chakra. Ha. (Marathi: His question? Ah, about chakras, yes.) He says you see it [moving] anti-clockwise. You do see, because most of the people who have seen it have seen it on other people and when you see on other people from the backside, you see it on the anti-clockwise side. But, if you see it from the front, it is clockwise, that’s why. Yogi: No, what I am saying is - you feel the chakras moving, you are outside your own body, still the chakras are moving in an anti-clockwise manner. Shri Mataji: Yes it depends on, you know, what I’ve just now told you: that the chakras, say for example, for an ordinary human being the chakras are nothing but ordinary plexuses; for a realised soul it is more than that. So the more you move into a greater wheel of your own awareness that’s how the chakras start manifesting. Now for example my chakras are working all over. All over. Do you see the difference? So it depends on the awareness of the person. As much as the light now say; that much is the extension of the light, as much [as] is the power. So that is what it is. Now is there are any questions left on chakras? Yogi: About the number of petals. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Number of petals is also gross stuff. Till you go to a certain stage where your petals are being created, because there’s a little mathematics about it, little mathematics. And all this mathematics has been worked out in a human being - how it is. But these are the…we can say that now for example, in a person now, a light is there: say 25 watts. Now 25 watts are to be converted to 60 watts or something like that. So you have to see the dimension into which the person is, [that] that portion is going to grow. It’s a big mathematics about you - the dimension to which that can grow and into what sphere it is going to penetrate. For example, the Mooladhara chakra you can take for an example now. Mooladhara chakra is actually fourth that way, because it covers the four sides of the human personality. It’s in the abstract calculation, it is the fourth side of the personality. And the fifth side, the movement in the fifth dimension, doesn’t take in the Mooladhara chakra. It takes above the Mooladhara chakra. So the fourth dimensions as shown by that. These are the different dimensions of a man. At those levels how many dimensions you touch by these tattwas (principles) - it is calculated like that. In My book I have given most of these in very great details as to what are the dimensions one touches in this state and how far you go. But the same Mooladhara becomes only two later on. But it is such a subtle and sharp two, which penetrates just like this, all over. So it depends on…you can say in a machine you have different types of bones and different types of screws and with different dents. Now what is the calculation? Is there an engineer who can say why it is so? So it is a very detailed work and it’s all worked out because the dimensions into which a human being will be going, all that is worked out and on that chakra only these is dimensions you achieve. So it has a meaning. But it’s not only four [sub] chakras. It’s not only four. It has got many petals inside and it’s a very interesting one. Actually on Mooladhara I have written a big chapter, complete. How many folds are inside and how these things work out and how many folds, what do they suggest and how far they open out, because it’s all a dimension which is worked out. For example, if you take a banyan tree, the seed is so small. A banyan tree has the smallest seed. Now why is it so? And why is it so microscopic? Because it is so dynamic. For you this is all worked out like a capsule. And it’s a capsule which is to work this dimension [and] it has to work that dimension. So it is rather a calculated stuff - which I have described. I have only described Mooladhara really in the full [way] because it makes such a big volume of one Mooladhara chakra, that I gave up about others. I have just mentioned [briefly] about them. But only Mooladhara itself, when I started describing, it became such a big, huge thing. So I gave in I said, “Now better not do other ones (chakras).” But it’s quite a complicated stuff and, God has his own stage or style of planning and we can’t question Him. He does it according to His own whim. He has his own style. But [even] His whim has understanding - everything has. You will find that sometimes, if you try to study, that if you ask Me certain things I try to answer it in a different way. Because there are His ways of doing things and He understands and that’s how He does it. But still I have tried to bring out at least Mooladhara chakra, so that human beings must understand that how complicated they are made, how God has been so careful to place their Mooladhara so well and how He has put the force there, how it’s a living machinery, how it’s working out so that people should understand the importance of their chakras and importance of their being, how important you are. You are not ordinary people. Even if there’s an ordinary tape recorder we are so careful about it. How much we should be careful about our own machinery, which is being created in ages with such great understanding, with such mechanism! Every chakra if you take up, even if you take up three yugas (ages), you won’t understand one chakra - it is such a tremendous working inside. I have of course given only the description of it and the reason why is a stage which will make you really mad! But I have tried to explain in that. You have read my [description of] Mooladhara did you? It’s quite an elaborate stuff. Gregoire: In Delhi, the question was “what is the purpose of life?” Buddhism said the purpose, I mean, of all these incarnations is to go in nirvana, which is nothingness, where nothing happens. Then in the Christian tradition, it is also ‘perfection’ which is perceived as a total union with God which is immobility. Now you said it is not like this, you are going to incarnate again and again. Then the question I would like to ask in connection with the chakra is ‘What is the purpose of life?’ I understood before that the supreme thing is to be united with God, whatever this means, and when I am united because there is no movement anymore but… Shri Mataji: But that stage I never cancelled it, that stage is not today. You see, when I said it that - just now you have to incarnate again and again - you are not at that stage. But when the whole thing…you see, nothing is wrong in any one of these. When they say, “There is a day of judgement.” But before that God is going to give you a chance. He is going to give you full chance to improve yourself [and] go to that position. Like that, we can say that, first the trees are brought into being by sowing the seeds. Then the trees grow up. Then there are flowers, then the flowers are again, they become seeds. Then again the trees and again this thing, until again they reach a certain stage, till they have completely ripened then they remove the whole thing and the whole thing becomes the Brahma itself. And whatever is a waste matter is thrown out. So ultimately it’s the union. But the union of your being means with God. It’s a much greater state. First of all it’s the purification point. For your purification you are to be born again. You have not reached that stage where you should become mahanirvana, have you? If you become, might be [that] you might land up in hell so better not try that! See, you must understand that just now, at this stage you have to go further, purifying yourself till you reach a certain stage where, when you reach a certain stage, at that time, God has given you enough chance, enough chance to improve yourself. [But if] still you are rakshasas then you are not going to be tried any more. But it’s quite near, I must say. You cannot now allow it to take to chance it’s not, it’s quite near. One of the butchery is going to be very close, is very close; I mean I would say can be anytime. So you be careful! I mean, it’s just there. So many have to be neutralised because they are just very troublesome. So it can be quite close. So just be careful about it. So, if everything fits into everything else but what happens is every religion, part of it is said so this cuts out the other. Supposing I say, “You have to go to this room,” now if I say that, “You have to come two steps that side,” and then I say, “You have to come three steps this side,” these are all connected stuff but because it is said only three steps here so you say, “Then in that religion it is said three steps inside you and what about those two steps?” I have to tell about them also. Because I have to tell about all those two steps [that] you have to take first, I better not tell about these three steps because you’ll put your eyes, “oh, very nice!” It’s not going to come in a plate (easily). You have to work it out consciously. Understand now. Yogi: Where do the chakras go after death? Shri Mataji: Chakras exist within you, chakras is a play. They just only exist within you. Yogi: Within the Earth element? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. They are in the body only, they are in the body. The body is itself like a seed, you become like a seed. But they are potent (potential?). You can’t see them. Chakra is a state. Yogi: I think chakra and Kundalini must be together? Shri Mataji: No, no. It is something like a light going out and the tube is still there. It is like that the Kundalini. But it stays on top of the head of the person. The only difference is, supposing, the light goes out and stays nearby. You see the potential is there in the light. It is like that. The place for the light to pass is there. Question: And one more thing you have said about sympathetic and parasympathetic, when they separate out then that person goes to the extremities, the extremes and in that case, you know what happens, before our realisation whether they are separated. Shri Mataji: No, no. They’re already separated in the gross they are separated; inside also they’re separated but there’s a void because yes, that is the only problem. The Kundalini gets enlightened when it faces me and it immediately starts rising. Or when you people [also], because you are also Sahaja Yogis. It doesn’t happen with anybody else you will be amazed you know. So now what is the other question? Question: How do the chakras move in the body; is it horizontally? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. That is true, they are moving horizontally. They are moving horizontal but when you move them like this, you see; like you have seen the wheel… Question: Why not you go this way? Shri Mataji: No it doesn’t work out. It works out better this way. Because these are the things that are emitting. If you do it like this it goes down. This way these are moving you can move this. You have seen that in a watch there are some like this parallel and some are like this. Ata dusra kai prashna ahe? (Marathi: now what other question is there?) Yogini: Mataji, the fake gurus have damaged the chakras. How do they do it? And what should be done about it? Shri Mataji: You see, what gurus do is they use different chakras for introducing into the sympathetic nervous system some entities which they have controlled. They do not control many entities as such, but what happens, for example now I would say, during war many people died just like that; killed there. In those countries, those souls, they never had a [normal] human life and they were treated just like animals and they were very much tortured. So they had that feeling in their minds that, “We should also torture these people.” So when they die they do not die really and they do not get into the pretloka. They stay in the atmosphere and that’s why wars are very bad things, because wars create such human beings much more, with accidents and people who are very depraved in life, very dissatisfied who are doing all kinds of depraved actions and secretive things and all kinds of horrid things. All such people, all of them, when they die they do not really go to pretaloka because they don’t think of their salvation but they are just thinking of their lust, greed or possessions, those who are grabbing things, thieves and all sorts of people. We can call ‘evil’ people and satanic people, when they die they find they become much more subtler and they can be better off if they act in a subtle body. So they use their subtle body for acting into people and such people are easily available. So these gurus, what they do, that they themselves are evil geniuses, and they have a way of capturing those people and they use them. And they introduce to you through your different chakras. For example, Ravana had a capacity to speak and in his speech he used to introduce rakshasas into the human beings in Ceylon. Otherwise imagine in Lanka, people should never fight Rama, because at that time the sensitivity of people was so great that they knew that Rama was an incarnation. They were not gross as today they are, that one has to tell that, “Oh, here I am the incarnation.” That time it was not Kali Yuga so they knew he was an incarnation. And so many of them, I mean some of them did not, but quite a lot of them knew and despite that nobody could oppose it because their mind was captured by these entities put [into them] by Ravana and they fought Him. So, it was so, even at the time of Krishna: people knew who He was at least they had quite an idea, even Kauravas new about it. But this Kali Yuga is a wretched thing, nobody see anything clearly. But those times were not like that. People knew who was an incarnation and they understood it. And that time also, these people had to use some sort of a way of putting them off and they used this method of enticement. And when they used this method of enticement, in that use, they learned also subtler ways and subtler ways which they are using in the Kali Yuga very well. They are actually rakshasas and they know these methods how to entice people. There are so many ways of doing it. And when you bend your head before them that is the best time when they can put it into your ego and they can finish you off for once and for all. So that’s how they do it. And you are no more yourself! First of all they act on your heart: you become a nervous person your hands start shaking your feet start shaking; they act on your heart chakra. You lose the power of raksha (रक्षा - protection) which is the basic point of the heart chakra. And then, once you start losing the grip over your nerves you find that [it’s] as if somebody is doing for you. And if you take somebody’s name you start jumping and you don’t know anything - it’s an experience. There are so many things they do like that - thousand and one. But human beings, as a whole in the Kali Yuga, instead of improving has gone down absolutely in his conception of Divinity and in everything, I mean he’s a hopeless case otherwise! But by God’s grace Sahaja Yoga may save him. They way it is I mean he’s very, very blunt, he cannot think, he’s very insensitive. And he carries on all kinds of his malpractices thinking that he’s the rarest saint ever born. That’s another great quality of Kali Yuga! This is the problem. They have no conscience left now to tell them that this is wrong or that is wrong, they’ve killed it. Everywhere it is so. Tumhi shalid chi mulad ka? (Marathi: your kids are in school?) Yogi: Ho. (yes) Shri Mataji: Achcha (ok). Ata dusra prashna (Marathi: now another question) Yogi: How music works on the five chakras? Shri Mataji: All these five elements are very important in our body and they are the body of the chakras also as I have told you. So what happens that, when you sing the music, the vibrations can go through the musical sound and can excite certain chakras. For example, for the hrday (heart) chakra it is very good or also for the Vishuddhi chakra it is very good. Not for all the chakras. But certain chakras it does. But supposing you say a mantra, that’s the sound, with beautiful music and a realised soul then it is very effective. For example, Ganesha you can excite him with a beautiful sloka if you are a realised soul and if your Ganesha is correct, you can excite the Ganesha of another person very easily, I mean such a person can do it. So music, sound, all these things have an effect and we are now using that method very extensively. But supposing now, we go in a mass meditation and many people are there and some chakra is caught, say Vishuddhi is caught, I can correct their Vishuddhi by just putting My finger on this, like this, because this has the sound, this is in the chakras, there is a micro-sound which is carrying the vibrations. Actually the part of the vibrations is the micro-sound also, micro-light, micro-sound and all the five elements are micro there. So when I put my finger the micro sound can carry the rest of them and the person can be corrected. We can do it. Specially Vishuddhi. Very easy to correct Vishuddhi on that. You can correct most of the things but certain things are very easily corrected. Vishuddhi, which is responsible for the sound, made from the sound element. As we have seen that water element is very good for treating people for the lower chakras, up to the heart chakra, because the water and salt can help you for the Nabhi chakra because salt is the earth element and it is essence of the ocean and the essence of the ocean is in the bhavasagara. So we can use salt water for clearing the lower chakras. We can use light for the eyes because, this is made out of the prakash, the light, light element. Like that different things can be done. And with these different elements if you use them, you can make all the dirt or all the obstructions, which are collected in your particular chakra by putting them back into the same element and cleansing them out so the element takes it away. For Mother Earth also, She has so many elements in Her that She can take away so many of your problems which are troubling you, in your being, because of some imbalance of the Mother Earth element. This is all due to the imbalance of these elements in you, accumulated more beyond than what you want it. That’s why I said, “the extreme of it.” Bhu tattwa (Earth element) is expressed through Shri Ganesh and Shri Ganesh is the form of the purified principle of the Earth element and is the same. In a flute you have two notes -the first and the last are the same. In the same way in a human being the seven notes, the first one is a Ganesha and the last one is also a Ganesha. So these seven notes are the same. And these seven notes make the Earth element and not completely Earth element but started with earth element purified. When it loses its Earth element problems completely it is Parabrahma, it becomes all Brahma. Because Earth element is, outside is the Earth element but inside is dhara, is dhara, is dharana - is the power to sustain, is the power to sustain. And that power is the purest form of Earth principle (tattwa). So, that you become later on; gradually the whole Earth element drops down and you become that. So it is the dharana shakti as they call it: the power of sustenance. Is the Ganesha. So, like that, in every chakra you have a very subtle and subtle-most point. And that subtle-most point is the note that the Divine is playing at that point, because every note has a different frequency, a different intonation, a different sound, which helps in the melody of this Universe. So, like that, we have seven chakras and the seven notes. And they are different notes but these notes then create permutations and combinations and that is how a chakra gets into a swara (musical note) and then it becomes a sound, and from a sound it becomes a word, and from word it becomes a language and like that it goes on and the same subtle form starts becoming something else. For example if I have love for my children: how [do] I express it? I make a house for them, I make a place to live for them, I cook food for them, I make a bed for them. It’s a gross expression of that subtle love I have. In the same way whatever is subtle within us is expressed outside with the help of the elements that are outside, to express the subtle through our gross behaviour or gross material things we do. So, it’s the same subtle which is expressing outside. But then we become so gross later on that we forget the inner part of it. A Mother may create something, all these things and then she becomes so possessive of her children, she’ll think, “I’ve done so much for my children,” that she wouldn’t even think why she has made it! She forgets the love part of it and she becomes nothing but the gross thing. She just starts scolding the children, even for breaking a small thing here and there. She does this for love, and then she forgets it. That’s what is an extreme behaviour. Extreme behaviour means, from the subtle, you get to the gross and the gross, and the grosser. Once you become grosser you are dead. Ata kai prashna? (Marathi: Now what question?) Yogi: (asks question about badhas) Shri Mataji: Those who can see badhas are on the emotional side. They can see the badhas. There also you can see two types of people. Those who already themselves in badha, they can see badhas, very clearly; they can see the dead persons. Those who are already badha can see that another person has got a badha because they are in the collective subconscious themselves, so they can see. And a person can see, the one who is a drunkard - he can see. A person who is drunk can see a badha in another person because he is a subconscious type, he likes it. But some people can achieve a state in an emotional way that they can see badha clearly. If they are realised souls, the emotional state, people say, the bhakti people can see a badha there. But even the supra-conscious people can see a light coming before them, they can see somebody standing before them like a light and then say that, “There’s a light coming.” They might get fragrance or things like that can happen. They are called as tanmatras (तन्मात्र – subtle element) is the causal principle of all the Universe, causal - tanmatras. Means for Earth the causal principle is fragrance. So, supposing somebody has done a lot of search in the field of say, Earth element, so such a person can get a lot of fragrance, he can. It is a variety everywhere created because of their different searches and because of their different seeking. You see badha, just say somebody has a badha or not. If he has Agnya and a heart it’s definitely a badha. And you just ask the person to put their hands before the photograph and he starts shaking. Normally he shakes. I don’t know how you should make it out but it’s very easy you can make out; they cannot put their eyes towards my photograph. If you ask them to close their eyes their eyes will start flickering, hands will start shaking, eyes will always flicker. slightest ?? will show on the eyelids - like this. Badha, can be of many types. Some people just have for the time being, some people have permanent residence, some have bags full! So you just can’t say what it will be. You just don’t worry about these things. The thing is, people think that there’s only one type of badha - is emotional badha. There can be both types. A person who is very egotistical also is dominated by somebody else. Abnormal area, abnormal behaviour, who is not a normal person, can come from anywhere. There is no difference between sunlight and sun, moonlight and moon. So there is no difference at all. It is only the human beings who think there are two stuffs. It is an advaita (अद्वैत -non-duality), which one and the same thing. For example, now, this bangle is beautifying my hand. So what is the difference between this bangle and the beautification? Is the quality of a person. Is the quality. It’s like the ?? and ??. You will take out the rest of it and you will say that this is all useless. It’s not that. In everything this is all there, it’s one. What is the essence of sunlight and sun? Sun has no meaning without sunlight. Sunlight has no meaning without sun. It is not essence, it is everything but. You can say water and a ice. There is no difference at all. Human beings cannot conceive it, that’s the trouble with the human mind, because it is an advaita. Human beings cannot see it, they think of two (manifold) things always. Through perception it is not possible for you to perceive it, but you can understand by analogies. Many things human beings can’t understand. You just cannot, because you have a limited brain, you have a limited awareness, you have limited love.

1/26/1977

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Collectivity and Responsibility

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Talk on Attention, Bordi, 26-01-1977 How they work it out. This is the reason why when Mohammad Sahib came in, he preached that you should not bow to anyone, whatsoever. Because bowing he knew that when the real person will come, you will recognize him in any case. But there was a general view, even Nanak Sahib could not change. And Nanak Sahib organized [UNCLEAR a book] just a symbol of wisdom of many great souls that you can only go and bow to that and not to anybody else. Preaching of Mohammad Sahib was just the same, but the followers as usual have committed such blunders that it appears that they are not the followers, but they are the enemies of these great incarnations.It is nice that in Sahaja Yoga when you get self-realization, in the beginning, may not be but little later, you start yourself feeling the pangs of sin, and also of the sinful people. So you avoid the company of sinful people. You have to. If you remain in the company of sinful people then you know you get headaches, you get agnya catching, you get all kinds of complications and you want to run away from such a place. And nobody tells you that you run away but you just run away you can’t bear it, your body has become different. But the best way to strengthen yourself is to be together as Sahaja Yogis. You must attend the programs when there is a collective, aarti or puja or meditation. You are seeing that when you collect together something happens to you. If you sit at home and do something, nothing works out much. Anywhere, when there are people sitting together in meditation, Sahaja Yoga itself manifests, because it is a collective phenomenon. It is such a collective phenomenon. I will give an example of Gregoire, one day he was sitting with me and he was not feeling any vibrations and he was very much worried about it. I was looking out from the window and he was just facing me, and another Sahaja Yogi was coming up the hill to my house. Immediately he said I am getting the vibrations. He said how is it suddenly the vibrations have started? I said look back and see who is coming. And he saw another Sahaja Yogi plodding up the hill. His presence there, his coming only, added to his vibrations. It is a collective phenomenon. How it works out collectively, why it works out collectively, is again a question which is my job, it’s not yours. But I can say there’s a mathematics about it. There is a mathematics about it! You must know that for everything there is a Mathematics. Everything works out in a mathematics. Why it is so? It is being made like that. And Sahaja Yoga works out after, actually, there are more than seven people. [Talks in Marathi]. You have to understand that how a collective phenomenon works out. If there is a realized soul, then he is surrounded by at least [UNCLEAR 2 or 3] divine [UNCLEAR beings], at least. But in certain cases when there is a realized soul and he is not yet, say that good, say for example if he smokes, take an example. And let’s say there is only one following such a man. If all his chakras are bad and despite he smokes also and he also drinks and things like that. Then maybe there is only one, maybe with him or may not be even one sometimes. But mostly there’s at least one, minimum one you can put it. So every realized soul has got some people with them. And if somebody does some sinful act for a short time say for example, he does something bad, actually very bad. Then all of them might depart for the time being but they again come back to him. Now when such a man is struggling to have a, an experience, if there is another positive person, a very positive person comes in, he may be having more people with him, so he may be able to spare some of his people to prop up this man. So it acts like a, just like the valencies of the atoms. But the only difference is between the two is that human beings can accumulate as much as they want, they can change, but the atoms cannot change. Those people who just innocently commit some mistakes and something like that and they are very active in Sahaja Yoga and good people, they also find it difficult, hard, sometimes to overcome their habits, it is so. So they must know if at that time if they go to another Sahaja Yogi who does not have this habit, a particular habit, say of eating the snuff, snuff taking. Another person does not have this habit of snuff taking. Then the other person’s guides who are hovering on him can help this man much more than the another person who is about to take a snuff and if you go next to him, then he’s already occupied and he’ll take away all the three that you had. So you both will have a nice snuff taking. See. But they do not enter into your psyche, the difference is this. They do not enter into your psyche, but they bring about a cosmic change around. But supposing a person is suffering from bhoot badha (negativity), or he has been to some gurus, so the guru will also fix certain entities with that fellow. They tell us like that. Now, when this one is trying to do something bad then he will be supported by another bhoot badha wala (a negative person). The fraternity works very hard. You have seen the example of that in our groups. You see, if there is one person who has a bhoot badha, you must ask Pradhan because his son is suffering from that. He is so much interested in people who have got bhoot badha. So, what happens such a person when he goes and talks about his bhoot badha, the another one will come immediately to support him. He will be forced up. There will be no freedom in it. He will just go, just like a magnet he will be attracted towards that person who has a bhoot badha, immediately. And he becomes weak. Not only that, it can be that a person who has a stronger bhoot badha will attract a person of a smaller bhoot badha and will influence and spoil that person. Now what is the difference? In first case you have to choose to be in the company of a Sahaja Yogi who does not have these habits. Say for example somebody is a hot- tempered fellow. Such a man when he gets into hot-temper, if he can think of somebody who is a very silent by temperament, immediately he will be surprised, his temper will go away. If a man who is so silent that he does not even mind his Mother being insulted and he feels bad about it that I can’t say anything about it then such a man, if he thinks of someone who would not tolerate stuff like this then immediately he gets the power. But the difference is very big. There is tremendous difference between the two. One you have to choose with freedom, another you have forced it. But you’ll find so many Sahaja Yogis also, they get attracted to negativity just like this. They don’t know how they get interested into that, but to positivity they have to exert themselves. This is a thing and it is a system which works out sometimes. That’s why I tell people that do not keep combinations of the people who have the same weakness. When I say that people feel hurt sometimes. But you’ll find always, friendship is there. Say there are two Sahaja Yogis who talk ill of Sahaja Yoga, morning till evening finding faults with Sahaja Yoga. They will combine together because they keep a good company, you see. It is better to have diverse company so that you supplement each other better than to be attracted towards people who are of the same nature especially from one family. Supposing they are people of one family, so you don’t discuss Sahaja Yoga among them. Either they will fight or they will combine together in Sahaja Yoga.So best thing to do in Sahaja Yoga is to first find out your faults, sitting down. Write it down what are my faults? These are my defects. Somebody is a show off, he shows off all the time. You see he must say something to show off, now another show off should run away from him. He should sit with a person who is a shy person. And this is another style which is very different from that of the negative people, because in negativity, two negatives must join together nicely to become real negative. But in Sahaja Yoga two opposites must meet to be good Sahaja Yogis. But this must be done in complete freedom, in complete understanding. [He must do it in freedomtalks in Marathi]. What is the realm of being good Sahaja Yogis? In one word you can understand. Only one small thing is to be responsible. If you are a responsible Sahaja Yogi, you will find your own way. If you are not, you will go to doom. Because if you are responsible then only God is going to give you more. If you behave irresponsibly, you talk irresponsibly, if you do not think what you can do for Sahaja Yoga, you just come to Sahaja Yoga as a sort of a liability on Sahaja Yoga, and you always go like those are responsible… [ They have not done it so how can I do-talks in Marathi]. She should have done it, why should I? What can I do? I mean who is he, who are you? He is a Sahaja Yogi, you are also a Sahaja Yogi. The people who are responsible in every way, in their behaviour. Mohammad Sahib has been very very particular on this and he did say very clearly that while doing Namaz in the presence of the divine you should not budge even from where you are sitting, you should not move, your eyes should not rove about, you should not yawn. There are so many things if you ask me I can’t even tell you how many things he has said it. To all the details in behaviour he has said great things. Once you start feeling responsible you yourself will know how to behave, what to do, what not to do. Then, when you are responsible you will be amazed you will drop out most of your habits, automatically, any habit. Supposing somebody is a very talkative person. That habit will drop out because you will find out that by talking too much sometimes you are committing mistakes. So it comes to a balance. If somebody doesn’t talk at all, he will find being responsible that it doesn’t help, you have to talk. He starts talking. Only one word is to be responsible. Once you take the responsibility of Sahaja yoga on your shoulders, immediately all the dimensions of your new life will open out. Knowledge will pour into you. You will get related to life in a new way. And a new style of understanding will develop. The subtleties of life will open out before you. The joy will pour onto you, when you will sleep, you feel as if the Ganges (a holy river) is flowing over your Sahasrara, the Jamuna (a holy river) is washing your feet. You really feel that. But you have to be responsible. I see very young people also being very… our Moresco is a very responsible boy, he is so young. Whatever is possible he would like to do for Sahaja Yogis, he is so very young, he is so responsible. For that you don’t have to have money, don’t have to have anything but to be responsible. That doesn’t mean that if you come to my house ten times and if you are with me, next to my room, then you are responsible. This is a wrong idea. Responsible also means that others should be given chance, others should be there, why should I? And when you start leading a responsible Sahaja Yogi life, thousands of evolved souls will hover around you. You will have a different light on your face. You will be amazed when you speak you will be amazed that how you are speaking. How things are happening, how at every moment how things are working out. As it is you know how things are Sahaja, how it works out, you know that every moment it is working. Only you are for a simple to be responsible on the stage, otherwise there will be thousands of them working for you. There are very few people on the stage. Behind the stage, there are thousands. The example is of these three people in Rahuri (India). How responsible they are and how responsibly they have behaved. And when you start thinking on those lines that I am responsible for this, just find out ways and methods. If you think you are responsible for your family, you will find out all the ways and methods for running your family. But now you are responsible for Sahaja Yoga. The sense of responsibility can only come through your freedom, this is the problem of Sahaja Yoga. But for a negative person it comes to him automatically jolly well. Everyone I have seen these guru is negatively charged, he just starts talking about it. He may not have seen his guru at all, he may not have got one pie worth of things of, but he will be talking about it. You ask him what has happened, what is he good at and nothing. Because he is negatively charged, there is no freedom. Does that mean that in freedom human beings cannot be responsible? Is it that human beings are not yet evolved to be responsible? They must be dominated by somebody or driven by somebody otherwise they cannot do something responsibly. So in Sahaja Yoga when we think of our own development and our own emancipation. We have to be responsible. I did not say anything to you at all. I even feel very hurt while saying anything to you. I don’t like it. Because it is not a good taste for me to say anything to anyone. I know many a times, many things I know about because it is not good for me to talk like that. After all it is very hard to be a mother and a teacher. It is a very very difficult task. You have no idea. Because I love you so much I can’t bear to say something harsh to you. If I say anything I feel very hurt and I weep sometimes I have to say. If you could be little responsible more every day. Every person must think that at least 10 persons I must bring to Sahaja yoga. It is our responsibility. Ten persons I must bring to Sahaja yoga and in such a manner that they are done up well. They are prepared well. They are ready. Find out the ways and methods.. Nobody has given me any schemes as to how to increase the activities of Sahaja Yoga. Sit down, think about it. I have already told that one method would be to have a program in a house of a Sahaja Yogi and all of you should go there and invite the neighbors saying that in our house we are going to have a program. Even for a small haldi-kumkumyou can get at least 500 women easily. So for Sahaja you can. Find out ways and methods. Find out ways and methods. How you can bring more people to Sahaja Yoga? One person is more responsible than another. It should not be so. And there are so many other things which you should also understand. For example, people write letters to me about lots of things I have to meditate, I have to do some penances so I have to write book, like that, I am busy. You know I do not spare myself much. I do not write letters back. Sometimes I cannot. Even if you do not receive a letter you will be looked after. Remember that. But you must write letters. There are people who just do not write letters. I have seen it. Just do not write. You must learn to write letters. Today I received a very sweet letter from Mrs Knight and her husband. It is like a puja. So beautiful it was. You must write beautiful letters This is not the way to be responsible. Just you do not write. At least minimum you should write letters to me and to other Sahaja Yogis thatI would say Shirayu she is very responsible. I never write to her, seldom I have time. She writes to me. She has so many problems. She has her children, she has her husband. But she writes to me beautiful letters. And even if I do not write to her she never minds me. [UNCLEAR] If she was not have written letters to me she would not have composed such beautiful poems. Another is Raul Bai. I seldom have time to write to her. But she writes to me. If I cannot answer you, you should not feel bad about it. This is one thing you must decide. That your Mother is very pre-occupied, and She is very busy. Your letters of course give me great happiness and you must write to me. But people seldom write. Seldom. Very few people really write to me. And they have no time for writing letters you see. This is not the way. Now I will tell you the secret. It is very very simple. You have read so many scriptures and you have read Ishwar Stuti or Devi Stuti all these things you have read. What do we write on our invitation cards? Come [UNCLEAR]. Jagadamba Prasanna (pleased). That is the Mother is in such pleasures you can say. She has been so happy. Or She is very happy about it. So you must just find out what will make Mother happy. What makes me happy. When you do something just weigh it out, will She be happy if we do like this. If we talk like this and say like these things. Will She be happy? It is very simple. You know me too well that I am not going to like it. I may not say about it, I may keep quiet. But I am not going to like it. That is a very good judging point. Do not do what you want to do and you like it. That is a wrong style. Absolutely wrong. But you must do what I would like you to do. And you know Me very well. And that is what it should be that Mataji Prasanna(pleased). This is a sort of a certificate as we take as we write Mataji Prasanna. In our house such and such wedding is going to take place. That She is happy. So do everything with that permission. As it is I am very happy I must say this time because you have opened out very much this time and there has been a big progress. There is a big rise. But it should be done regularly, and it must be kept up. I do not know how to tell you what has happened to you actually because it is a very big process which came into play. And it has worked out very well. And now you will be seeing your small small faults of your chakras which you are separated from and you are not bothered about it. So, when you have a problem on your chakras try to clear them and keep them clean. And respect yourself and your responsibilities as Sahaja yogis. This is a very historical meeting of very very few people. And everything that we have done here has been of great help. Carry no malice in your heart but joy that you found a place where there is a goodwill of so many Sahaja yogis who are realized souls. And when they increase in number the ratio increases of the evolved souls who surround them in multiple proportions. Or you can say geometrical proportions, that is the correct way, that is mathematics. So, the more you are the better it is and it is now your responsibility to be wise and to show some results till I am in Bombay and also in India. Let us see now everybody, how he goes about. And the programs are going to be in Bharatiya Vidhya Bhawan. Sometimes it shocks Me when I see that in big programs Sahaja yogis are the last to come. All the rest of the people are there and Sahaja yogis are missing. So first of all find out ten people who will come for Sahaja yoga. Next program I do not know he will announce it where it is I do not know we have not yet decided. [3 & 4 in Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan & 2 - 4 in Ghatkopar- talks in MarathiConversation with another yogi in Marathi]. In Bharatiya Vidhya Bhawan three and four. So you should find out people why they are doing like this. Why should not they come into it and go ahead with it. I even know Sahaja yogis which are lost you can go and talk to them and work it out if possible. If not, forget them. Let new people talk to them and tell them about Sahaja yoga. And I hope this three and four will be a very good program. Now everybody should be responsible. Should find out if somebody needs flowers somebody can bring flowers. Somebody can bring UdBatti (lncense sticks), somebody can bring something for the program. And somebody can bring… You see even when I go there then the adjustment starts of the radio and there this thing and that thing and such a waste of time and that is not good. But it is you see we find faults with others. We never find out ourselves what we have done about it. You see supposing somebody has not brought say the loudspeaker. So that fellow has not brought the loudspeaker so it is very wrong you see. But what have you done about it? Have you done something about it, have you found out something about it? And if everybody works it out, how to decorate, how to put it right and everything, how we are going to expand it, then the things will be alright. Another program which all of you should know is on the 21st of March and I would like all the other people to also come. You can bring some people from Rahuri, those people who want to come. 21st of March. 19, 20 and 21. At least if you can come for one day it is alright [if you come in 2-3 days then also fine upto that we will find place to live so problem of living will get solve-conversation with another yogi in Marathi]. 19, 20, 21 we can have regular three-day program in that place. But in any case we organize something better this time 19, 20, 21. [Now we have program in Delhi, ask those people - conversation with another yogi in Hindi].

Talk on Attention, Bordi, 26-01-1977 How they work it out. This is the reason why when Mohammad Sahib came in, he preached that you should not bow to anyone, whatsoever. Because bowing he knew that when the real person will come, you will recognize him in any case. But there was a general view, even Nanak Sahib could not change. And Nanak Sahib organized [UNCLEAR a book] just a symbol of wisdom of many great souls that you can only go and bow to that and not to anybody else. Preaching of Mohammad Sahib was just the same, but the followers as usual have committed such blunders that it appears that they are not the followers, but they are the enemies of these great incarnations.It is nice that in Sahaja Yoga when you get self-realization, in the beginning, may not be but little later, you start yourself feeling the pangs of sin, and also of the sinful people. So you avoid the company of sinful people. You have to. If you remain in the company of sinful people then you know you get headaches, you get agnya catching, you get all kinds of complications and you want to run away from such a place. And nobody tells you that you run away but you just run away you can’t bear it, your body has become different. But the best way to strengthen yourself is to be together as Sahaja Yogis. You must attend the programs when there is a collective, aarti or puja or meditation. You are seeing that when you collect together something happens to you. If you sit at home and do something, nothing works out much. Anywhere, when there are people sitting together in meditation, Sahaja Yoga itself manifests, because it is a collective phenomenon. It is such a collective phenomenon. I will give an example of Gregoire, one day he was sitting with me and he was not feeling any vibrations and he was very much worried about it. I was looking out from the window and he was just facing me, and another Sahaja Yogi was coming up the hill to my house. Immediately he said I am getting the vibrations. He said how is it suddenly the vibrations have started? I said look back and see who is coming. And he saw another Sahaja Yogi plodding up the hill. His presence there, his coming only, added to his vibrations. It is a collective phenomenon. How it works out collectively, why it works out collectively, is again a question which is my job, it’s not yours. But I can say there’s a mathematics about it. There is a mathematics about it! You must know that for everything there is a Mathematics. Everything works out in a mathematics. Why it is so? It is being made like that. And Sahaja Yoga works out after, actually, there are more than seven people. [Talks in Marathi]. You have to understand that how a collective phenomenon works out. If there is a realized soul, then he is surrounded by at least [UNCLEAR 2 or 3] divine [UNCLEAR beings], at least. But in certain cases when there is a realized soul and he is not yet, say that good, say for example if he smokes, take an example. And let’s say there is only one following such a man. If all his chakras are bad and despite he smokes also and he also drinks and things like that. Then maybe there is only one, maybe with him or may not be even one sometimes. But mostly there’s at least one, minimum one you can put it. So every realized soul has got some people with them. And if somebody does some sinful act for a short time say for example, he does something bad, actually very bad. Then all of them might depart for the time being but they again come back to him. Now when such a man is struggling to have a, an experience, if there is another positive person, a very positive person comes in, he may be having more people with him, so he may be able to spare some of his people to prop up this man. So it acts like a, just like the valencies of the atoms. But the only difference is between the two is that human beings can accumulate as much as they want, they can change, but the atoms cannot change. Those people who just innocently commit some mistakes and something like that and they are very active in Sahaja Yoga and good people, they also find it difficult, hard, sometimes to overcome their habits, it is so. So they must know if at that time if they go to another Sahaja Yogi who does not have this habit, a particular habit, say of eating the snuff, snuff taking. Another person does not have this habit of snuff taking. Then the other person’s guides who are hovering on him can help this man much more than the another person who is about to take a snuff and if you go next to him, then he’s already occupied and he’ll take away all the three that you had. So you both will have a nice snuff taking. See. But they do not enter into your psyche, the difference is this. They do not enter into your psyche, but they bring about a cosmic change around. But supposing a person is suffering from bhoot badha (negativity), or he has been to some gurus, so the guru will also fix certain entities with that fellow. They tell us like that. Now, when this one is trying to do something bad then he will be supported by another bhoot badha wala (a negative person). The fraternity works very hard. You have seen the example of that in our groups. You see, if there is one person who has a bhoot badha, you must ask Pradhan because his son is suffering from that. He is so much interested in people who have got bhoot badha. So, what happens such a person when he goes and talks about his bhoot badha, the another one will come immediately to support him. He will be forced up. There will be no freedom in it. He will just go, just like a magnet he will be attracted towards that person who has a bhoot badha, immediately. And he becomes weak. Not only that, it can be that a person who has a stronger bhoot badha will attract a person of a smaller bhoot badha and will influence and spoil that person. Now what is the difference? In first case you have to choose to be in the company of a Sahaja Yogi who does not have these habits. Say for example somebody is a hot- tempered fellow. Such a man when he gets into hot-temper, if he can think of somebody who is a very silent by temperament, immediately he will be surprised, his temper will go away. If a man who is so silent that he does not even mind his Mother being insulted and he feels bad about it that I can’t say anything about it then such a man, if he thinks of someone who would not tolerate stuff like this then immediately he gets the power. But the difference is very big. There is tremendous difference between the two. One you have to choose with freedom, another you have forced it. But you’ll find so many Sahaja Yogis also, they get attracted to negativity just like this. They don’t know how they get interested into that, but to positivity they have to exert themselves. This is a thing and it is a system which works out sometimes. That’s why I tell people that do not keep combinations of the people who have the same weakness. When I say that people feel hurt sometimes. But you’ll find always, friendship is there. Say there are two Sahaja Yogis who talk ill of Sahaja Yoga, morning till evening finding faults with Sahaja Yoga. They will combine together because they keep a good company, you see. It is better to have diverse company so that you supplement each other better than to be attracted towards people who are of the same nature especially from one family. Supposing they are people of one family, so you don’t discuss Sahaja Yoga among them. Either they will fight or they will combine together in Sahaja Yoga.So best thing to do in Sahaja Yoga is to first find out your faults, sitting down. Write it down what are my faults? These are my defects. Somebody is a show off, he shows off all the time. You see he must say something to show off, now another show off should run away from him. He should sit with a person who is a shy person. And this is another style which is very different from that of the negative people, because in negativity, two negatives must join together nicely to become real negative. But in Sahaja Yoga two opposites must meet to be good Sahaja Yogis. But this must be done in complete freedom, in complete understanding. [He must do it in freedomtalks in Marathi]. What is the realm of being good Sahaja Yogis? In one word you can understand. Only one small thing is to be responsible. If you are a responsible Sahaja Yogi, you will find your own way. If you are not, you will go to doom. Because if you are responsible then only God is going to give you more. If you behave irresponsibly, you talk irresponsibly, if you do not think what you can do for Sahaja Yoga, you just come to Sahaja Yoga as a sort of a liability on Sahaja Yoga, and you always go like those are responsible… [ They have not done it so how can I do-talks in Marathi]. She should have done it, why should I? What can I do? I mean who is he, who are you? He is a Sahaja Yogi, you are also a Sahaja Yogi. The people who are responsible in every way, in their behaviour. Mohammad Sahib has been very very particular on this and he did say very clearly that while doing Namaz in the presence of the divine you should not budge even from where you are sitting, you should not move, your eyes should not rove about, you should not yawn. There are so many things if you ask me I can’t even tell you how many things he has said it. To all the details in behaviour he has said great things. Once you start feeling responsible you yourself will know how to behave, what to do, what not to do. Then, when you are responsible you will be amazed you will drop out most of your habits, automatically, any habit. Supposing somebody is a very talkative person. That habit will drop out because you will find out that by talking too much sometimes you are committing mistakes. So it comes to a balance. If somebody doesn’t talk at all, he will find being responsible that it doesn’t help, you have to talk. He starts talking. Only one word is to be responsible. Once you take the responsibility of Sahaja yoga on your shoulders, immediately all the dimensions of your new life will open out. Knowledge will pour into you. You will get related to life in a new way. And a new style of understanding will develop. The subtleties of life will open out before you. The joy will pour onto you, when you will sleep, you feel as if the Ganges (a holy river) is flowing over your Sahasrara, the Jamuna (a holy river) is washing your feet. You really feel that. But you have to be responsible. I see very young people also being very… our Moresco is a very responsible boy, he is so young. Whatever is possible he would like to do for Sahaja Yogis, he is so very young, he is so responsible. For that you don’t have to have money, don’t have to have anything but to be responsible. That doesn’t mean that if you come to my house ten times and if you are with me, next to my room, then you are responsible. This is a wrong idea. Responsible also means that others should be given chance, others should be there, why should I? And when you start leading a responsible Sahaja Yogi life, thousands of evolved souls will hover around you. You will have a different light on your face. You will be amazed when you speak you will be amazed that how you are speaking. How things are happening, how at every moment how things are working out. As it is you know how things are Sahaja, how it works out, you know that every moment it is working. Only you are for a simple to be responsible on the stage, otherwise there will be thousands of them working for you. There are very few people on the stage. Behind the stage, there are thousands. The example is of these three people in Rahuri (India). How responsible they are and how responsibly they have behaved. And when you start thinking on those lines that I am responsible for this, just find out ways and methods. If you think you are responsible for your family, you will find out all the ways and methods for running your family. But now you are responsible for Sahaja Yoga. The sense of responsibility can only come through your freedom, this is the problem of Sahaja Yoga. But for a negative person it comes to him automatically jolly well. Everyone I have seen these guru is negatively charged, he just starts talking about it. He may not have seen his guru at all, he may not have got one pie worth of things of, but he will be talking about it. You ask him what has happened, what is he good at and nothing. Because he is negatively charged, there is no freedom. Does that mean that in freedom human beings cannot be responsible? Is it that human beings are not yet evolved to be responsible? They must be dominated by somebody or driven by somebody otherwise they cannot do something responsibly. So in Sahaja Yoga when we think of our own development and our own emancipation. We have to be responsible. I did not say anything to you at all. I even feel very hurt while saying anything to you. I don’t like it. Because it is not a good taste for me to say anything to anyone. I know many a times, many things I know about because it is not good for me to talk like that. After all it is very hard to be a mother and a teacher. It is a very very difficult task. You have no idea. Because I love you so much I can’t bear to say something harsh to you. If I say anything I feel very hurt and I weep sometimes I have to say. If you could be little responsible more every day. Every person must think that at least 10 persons I must bring to Sahaja yoga. It is our responsibility. Ten persons I must bring to Sahaja yoga and in such a manner that they are done up well. They are prepared well. They are ready. Find out the ways and methods.. Nobody has given me any schemes as to how to increase the activities of Sahaja Yoga. Sit down, think about it. I have already told that one method would be to have a program in a house of a Sahaja Yogi and all of you should go there and invite the neighbors saying that in our house we are going to have a program. Even for a small haldi-kumkumyou can get at least 500 women easily. So for Sahaja you can. Find out ways and methods. Find out ways and methods. How you can bring more people to Sahaja Yoga? One person is more responsible than another. It should not be so. And there are so many other things which you should also understand. For example, people write letters to me about lots of things I have to meditate, I have to do some penances so I have to write book, like that, I am busy. You know I do not spare myself much. I do not write letters back. Sometimes I cannot. Even if you do not receive a letter you will be looked after. Remember that. But you must write letters. There are people who just do not write letters. I have seen it. Just do not write. You must learn to write letters. Today I received a very sweet letter from Mrs Knight and her husband. It is like a puja. So beautiful it was. You must write beautiful letters This is not the way to be responsible. Just you do not write. At least minimum you should write letters to me and to other Sahaja Yogis thatI would say Shirayu she is very responsible. I never write to her, seldom I have time. She writes to me. She has so many problems. She has her children, she has her husband. But she writes to me beautiful letters. And even if I do not write to her she never minds me. [UNCLEAR] If she was not have written letters to me she would not have composed such beautiful poems. Another is Raul Bai. I seldom have time to write to her. But she writes to me. If I cannot answer you, you should not feel bad about it. This is one thing you must decide. That your Mother is very pre-occupied, and She is very busy. Your letters of course give me great happiness and you must write to me. But people seldom write. Seldom. Very few people really write to me. And they have no time for writing letters you see. This is not the way. Now I will tell you the secret. It is very very simple. You have read so many scriptures and you have read Ishwar Stuti or Devi Stuti all these things you have read. What do we write on our invitation cards? Come [UNCLEAR]. Jagadamba Prasanna (pleased). That is the Mother is in such pleasures you can say. She has been so happy. Or She is very happy about it. So you must just find out what will make Mother happy. What makes me happy. When you do something just weigh it out, will She be happy if we do like this. If we talk like this and say like these things. Will She be happy? It is very simple. You know me too well that I am not going to like it. I may not say about it, I may keep quiet. But I am not going to like it. That is a very good judging point. Do not do what you want to do and you like it. That is a wrong style. Absolutely wrong. But you must do what I would like you to do. And you know Me very well. And that is what it should be that Mataji Prasanna(pleased). This is a sort of a certificate as we take as we write Mataji Prasanna. In our house such and such wedding is going to take place. That She is happy. So do everything with that permission. As it is I am very happy I must say this time because you have opened out very much this time and there has been a big progress. There is a big rise. But it should be done regularly, and it must be kept up. I do not know how to tell you what has happened to you actually because it is a very big process which came into play. And it has worked out very well. And now you will be seeing your small small faults of your chakras which you are separated from and you are not bothered about it. So, when you have a problem on your chakras try to clear them and keep them clean. And respect yourself and your responsibilities as Sahaja yogis. This is a very historical meeting of very very few people. And everything that we have done here has been of great help. Carry no malice in your heart but joy that you found a place where there is a goodwill of so many Sahaja yogis who are realized souls. And when they increase in number the ratio increases of the evolved souls who surround them in multiple proportions. Or you can say geometrical proportions, that is the correct way, that is mathematics. So, the more you are the better it is and it is now your responsibility to be wise and to show some results till I am in Bombay and also in India. Let us see now everybody, how he goes about. And the programs are going to be in Bharatiya Vidhya Bhawan. Sometimes it shocks Me when I see that in big programs Sahaja yogis are the last to come. All the rest of the people are there and Sahaja yogis are missing. So first of all find out ten people who will come for Sahaja yoga. Next program I do not know he will announce it where it is I do not know we have not yet decided. [3 & 4 in Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan & 2 - 4 in Ghatkopar- talks in MarathiConversation with another yogi in Marathi]. In Bharatiya Vidhya Bhawan three and four. So you should find out people why they are doing like this. Why should not they come into it and go ahead with it. I even know Sahaja yogis which are lost you can go and talk to them and work it out if possible. If not, forget them. Let new people talk to them and tell them about Sahaja yoga. And I hope this three and four will be a very good program. Now everybody should be responsible. Should find out if somebody needs flowers somebody can bring flowers. Somebody can bring UdBatti (lncense sticks), somebody can bring something for the program. And somebody can bring… You see even when I go there then the adjustment starts of the radio and there this thing and that thing and such a waste of time and that is not good. But it is you see we find faults with others. We never find out ourselves what we have done about it. You see supposing somebody has not brought say the loudspeaker. So that fellow has not brought the loudspeaker so it is very wrong you see. But what have you done about it? Have you done something about it, have you found out something about it? And if everybody works it out, how to decorate, how to put it right and everything, how we are going to expand it, then the things will be alright. Another program which all of you should know is on the 21st of March and I would like all the other people to also come. You can bring some people from Rahuri, those people who want to come. 21st of March. 19, 20 and 21. At least if you can come for one day it is alright [if you come in 2-3 days then also fine upto that we will find place to live so problem of living will get solve-conversation with another yogi in Marathi]. 19, 20, 21 we can have regular three-day program in that place. But in any case we organize something better this time 19, 20, 21. [Now we have program in Delhi, ask those people - conversation with another yogi in Hindi].

1/27/1977

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Seminar Day 2, Attention and Joy

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Attention and joy, (2nd Day of 3 day shibir), Bordi (India), 27 January 1977. ...wobbling too much and how to fix the attention. Now the quality of attention changes according to the state of your evolution. For example, in an animal... So where is the attention placed in the human being? It is not a fixed point. You can say, attention is the surface or the edge of awareness. Wherever we are made aware, the attention gets diverted to that point. If you can find some analogy, all the files (filings) of iron have got a power to be attracted towards the magnet. Where is that power, you cannot locate - it is all over. Wherever the magnet is placed the files are attracted. Our attention is also like that, that wherever we are attracted, our attention goes there. It is existing in the whole body, in the sense that it can be diverted anywhere, outside the body. Also inside the body, in case if there is any pain or there is any trouble. It floats over the nerves, it floats over the whole nervous system, but there is a controlling centre in the brain. If it is hit then we can remain conscious, but without any attention. Also, if somebody is hit on the Vishuddhi Chakra, it can happen. It can happen even in the lower chakras if somebody is hit. That portion will lose its attention because you cannot feel, in that part. The difference is this, that you can pay attention to those points, if you want to, even if they are numbed. For example, if my hand is numb I can pay attention to that, means I can look at it, I can think of it. But there is a point in our being [which], if that is hit then we cannot even think, we are just lying unconscious they say, but eyes are open, hands are moving, legs are moving. That point is at the point of Vishuddhi Chakra here. And if you can draw a line from here to the point where is the peetha of Vishuddhi Chakra is inside, inside the brain; along that line if you are hit anywhere you become attention-less, you cannot pay attention anywhere. This line passes through, also, Agnya Chakra. Because when this point is connected with Vishuddhi Chakra at the back, in here, and at the peetha inside, then a kind of a triangle is formed and all this line or this area can affect your attention. Your heart is moving, your limbs are moving but you are not paying attention anywhere. So when you pay attention to something, actually you pay attention, normally - when you are not realised - through your brain centres. After realisation, you can pay attention through your other centres also. You do pay. This is a very big difference between a person who is realised and who is not realised. Or you can say that you can become effective through your other centres by paying attention to them. You can feel the centres which are obstructed in your body, which you never felt before. Not only that, but you can feel the centres of other people. That means your central nervous system is being blessed by a new awareness by which it can convey to you, communicate to you, the attention paid by your centres and also it can take your attention in a subtler way into the centres of others. So, first thing that happens to you is that your attention becomes subtler. Attention becoming subtler means you start understanding deeper things. For example, a bird can see a flower but cannot feel the beauty of a flower. And a unrealised person can see the beauty of a flower, but cannot see the vibrations of the flower. So you become subtler, your attention becomes subtler. You definitely are at a higher evolutionary stage than the other people are. Now we have to see how we use our attention. You have seen, even when you were not realised, that, supposing you start developing an art in your hand from your very childhood, then you develop the deftness of that particular art, because a kind of a myelin sheath grows on the nerves. In the same way, when you are realised, I would say when you are a newly born person, if you start respecting your attention then gradually you develop a deftness for Sahaja Yoga. But so many people, when they get realised, they hardly come second time. Even if they come second time, they do not develop the feeling of vibrations more, they still go on being busy with their day-to-day work, wasting their attention on things which do not give you the subtler feeling. So the subtleness, the deftness of the art of Sahaja does not develop itself. For example, I would say a person who is over-read, as soon as he gets his realisation he starts tallying it with what he has read, this makes his attention again wasted. As it is, his attention has been fixed by these conventional ideas; some of them are correct, some are incorrect, some are absolutely faulty, some are useless. Some are only because they wanted to make money, they have published some trash.As soon as you get realisation, you go back to your own gross awareness and start tallying this subtle with the gross, so you start again losing your vibrations. Actually after getting realisation I have seen, with small children, they sleep for very long hours. They become little inactive for some time. But if an elder gets it he will immediately go to the book store, buy one book on Kundalini and start reading about it. Then some of you, not understanding that you have become somebody else, take it for granted, "Alright, Mataji has been very kind; She says I am far, but how am I to believe?" As if by believing it they are going to give some money to Me or I don't know what they are going to give. "I can see the vibrations coming, but what's the use of getting the vibrations? Why did She give us vibrations?" Again come back to the gross idea of utility, because that's human nature, has been so far, to make everything into utility. Everything must be utilised, you see. Man thinks no end of himself. So he starts putting his realisation into utility. "What utility it has? How many people are going to get it? What is going to happen? What is the ratio? What is the schedule? What is this? What is that?" You have been given this subtleness to enjoy. Like, if we enjoy the beauty of flower, we just enjoy. Do we go to the books and find out, "What we should do about with this enjoyment of ours? How to enjoy this flower?” And then “What to do?” And, “Who has described about the flowers, so let us see if this is fitting into that?" But is done very commonly and I really don't know how to say, because it's such a foolish thing. And I am only afraid that, sometimes, if I say, they will feel hurt, and, as human beings are, they get hurt for nothing at all. That's very foolish. Children are very sensible that way. Once they get it they start enjoying it. They just enjoy it. They just sleep off! They are not bothered. They think, that it’s something that is to be enjoyed, “Let us enjoy it." So at the very outset it happens like that. And the man doesn't know that how he has made himself even much more gross than he was ever in this Kali Yuga, in these modern times: by organising things according to his own ideas and conceptions. He has become so unnatural, so foolish that discrimination between joy and ugliness, he does not have. He's so confused. So, first of all, it is not only one reason but there are many reasons. And as I described to you, inherently, it is the human, gross activities before realisation. If you understand the disease, from where it has come, sometimes it's easier to correct it. You cannot just correct the disease without understanding the history behind it. If you are a student of history you will know how human beings have behaved. I mean, you just start wondering, what's wrong with these people? God created one world! I mean just think, a person like Me coming on this earth, suddenly you find there are so many countries being created. Alright created, you can have separate countries if you cannot manage the whole world together, but then the fighting going on, killing each other. All kinds of problems for nothing at all, I mean it's such a madhouse! So historically if you see how man has made himself mad - it's not easy (laughing) to compile all that in one lecture, you'll have to write volumes. I think there are already written volumes. So, there is [a] historical background, which has spoilt your attention.Physically, those who come for physical handicap or physical trouble or something like that because they are sick, are sometime little better than the people who do not have this, because they definitely get the relief part of the joy. If they get their relief, there is a little shadow of joy that they feel and, then they start understanding that it is to be enjoyed. But I would say, they too once they get the relief they just disappear. Not understanding that there is something greater than this to be tasted and enjoyed.And the physical enjoyment in Sahaja Yoga, itself, is sufficient to keep your attention subtler. You do not have to fix your attention but you have to get subtler and subtler in your attention. Fixing up of your attention, as you know, is a very wrong method. That was done by some yogis and you know what is the result of that: their chakras were all broken and finished. When they fixed their attention onto Agnya Chakra, you have seen that Agnya Chakra is broken. You are not to fix any attention but you have to make your attention subtler and subtler. As I told you that a magnet, when brought say near the stones nothing happens to the stones, they are just there; you move the magnet any way you like. But when you take it to the iron filings, only, the filings are attracted towards the magnet. In the same way the attention of a Sahaja Yogi should be so subtle that he should feel the vibrations, he should think of vibrations, he should eat vibration, drink vibration and enjoy them. On the physical side, many people tell Me that, "We went to their house and they offered me laddoos and I had to eat. What can you do, Mataji?" Actually, you see, they felt attracted towards the shape of the laddoos. They ate it, but they didn't see the vibrations of those laddoos, they just ate it off and then they had a stomach trouble. When they have a stomach trouble, then they said, "Mataji, we have lost our vibrations, now what to do? We ate the laddoos." But if you had seen that there are no vibrations in that laddoo, you should have said that, "Today I am not supposed to eat anything," or something like that, and you should not have eaten them!If you see a born-realised child, he will never eat. Even the mother beats the child, he'll say, "Alright, beat me but I'm not going to eat it!" Because they are not going to eat the filth, such children are supposed to be very obstinate, they think they are obstinate. Because they know, "There is no vibration, so why should we eat because we are not going to enjoy." So on the physical side, there are so many such mistakes you have committed. If you take to now, say habits you have, supposing you have a habit of say, pulling your hair. There was some lady who had a habit of pulling her hair and she used to become bald here, then bald here, then bald here and the hair used to grow this side, then she used to have a bald head here. Then she will pull her hair here. Such a person! So she came to Me for treatment. Imagine! So I told her, "Why do you do like this?" She says, "Now my attention is like that, it always starts pulling my hair." I said, "What to do? Such an attention you have got!" So, you know her elder sister used to beat her on her hand, any time she put her hand. She said, "You must beat me, if you don't beat me I'll beat you." But the beating was on and everybody used to look at them, "What are they doing between each other?" And still, you see, she could not stop it! All habits are like this monkey business. All of them are like that, because the matter is trying to sit on top of our attention, all the time, and so we form habits. Certain habits are alright, convenient, and convenience like that. I mean some people to break habits, you know, they say "We'll not sit on the ground nor sit on the chair." "So where will you sit?" "We'll sit in a sitting pose and we'll practice that sort of a thing."I mean you need not do such a nonsense. I'm meaning that certain things are alright, don't go to extremes. But certain habits that we acquired, is mostly because of fashions. And we start, because somebody's smoking, he forces you, he says “Alright”, and one bad habit we have got, is not to say no to anyone. "How to say 'No', you see, they were all drinking and they offered us drinks and we said 'No,' but they were just forcing us. Then it looked very bad, you know, not to drink and... And they offered one cup, glass of drink to me and then I said, 'Alright, I'll have very little sip,' you know one day and then I had it like that. And then my relations, you see, they came and they invited us for dinner and we had to go, and then they started a cabaret dance, you know, and we had to see, after all it would look very bad not to see a naked woman."(laughing)“Oh, we are very innocent people!” So we go on explaining, "What to do now, this is the society, this is the fashion, this is the style, this is how it is." But a Sahaja Yogi is a special one, he's a chosen one. Because you haven't got your own value. tumala kimat nai sataji (Marathi) You have not valued yourself as I have valued you. This is a fact which very few realise really, that to get realisation like this, there must be something tremendous that Mataji must have done. She must have put in lot of labour, to work this out Herself; She must have done tremendous tapasyas in all Her lives. And even in this life She must have worked very hard, day in and day out. And here we are when we get it, how common place the whole thing is, how we are about it. I thought by giving realisation you will immediately see your value and you'll think that you are something great and that you have got this realisation and the sakshatkar, but it is not so. And you start compromising with gross things in life.There is a huge populace which is to be led by one of you. One of you can lead all of them. Leaders do not compromise, leaders do not solve the problems of the people whom they lead, but they give them problems to be solved. They stand above them, they are much above them, they do not compromise, they do not bend. Others bend before them. If the light starts falling and faltering on the roads, what will the person do who is carrying the light in the hand? You all are like the torches and what kind of life you should have and a personality you should have, it is for you to decide. That's the attention - gives the priorities. When you understand how your physical bringing, presence, this body of yours, has to be clean, has to be beautiful, has to be soft, kind, has to be elegant, dignified.I have seen people in groups, when you are sitting down, behaving in a manner [that] even an ordinarily educated person won't behave. The reason is, you have not yet realised that you are the leaders and people are watching you. There should be a kind of a masti, should be satisfied with yourself. So on the physical aspect, what you eat, what you see, what you like, the whole priorities must change. What should be most important is Sahaja; in every circumstance, in every method, a habit - sahaja.Sahaja means is born with you, Sahaja doesn't mean easy. Many people confuse. You have now got your right; that one was born with you. So for you, it is necessary to know that you are a Sahaja and that you are not going to accept anything that is asahaja. Sahaja means that! Sahaja means that you take the light of Sahaja above everything else over the darkness and not to accept darkness which is asahaja. So how can you have any habits which give you sympathetic bondage? Sahaja means you have a special, subtle awareness. A king doesn't clean the streets. On the physical side your attention is lost like that, because you indulge into all asahaja methods that you had before, that others have. You get lost into the asahaja system of life. You have to change the complete system of the whole world in which people become Sahaja and not asahaja. Then only the whole thing will become a Sahaja for you. It is a big misunderstanding about Sahaja Yogis. They think "Oh! When it will come sahaja, then we will do this work, then we'll go around and talk to people - it should come sahaja," nothing doing. This is a very wrong attitude. ‘Sahaja’ means that you have got the light of Sahaja within you and how can you tolerate anything… (break in recording) ...of your life is concerned, means you must know what to dress up, how to talk, where to go, whom to meet, who are your brothers, who are your sisters, who are your sons and who are your parents. That is how your attention is lost. Then your gross habits: your old life that was there which has to be just chiseled out, is to be finished. And you cannot go on, because if you go on, you will catch up here and catch up there, then you'll break your neck, you'll come to Me, "Mother, I have broken my back and this has happened, that has happened, it's paining, I'm getting hot, I'm getting headache, I am doing this." Till you become Sahaja it will go on working on you. But why not become your Self? For example a human being cannot sleep like a dog, for example. If he starts sleeping like a dog because there are all dogs around, then he is going to get the pain. In the same way if you are going to be asahaja because all are asahajas, you are going to get into trouble. Because the dog doesn't feel, though he might be getting pain, but he doesn't feel it. But you definitely feel it. The person who is not yet to reborn, doesn't feel it, he gets the problem but he doesn't feel it, you can feel it, and you jolly-well have to give it up, sooner the better! If you don't give it up then you are again going back to the same darkness and this new darkness may be hellish, it can be terrible.It’s better to die as human beings then, because then you can go on being born again as animals, this, that. But to be born again and knowing [the Truth], [if] you go on back again to your former habits, it can be very dangerous. That's how I fix your attention, with little fear into your mind, to your subtler being. The subtler being can only enjoy. In the morning you did enjoy the meditation, you had become subtler, I pushed you down there. But you have to keep yourself subtler by remembering, by remembering what has happened, how physically you felt nice. One of the worst habits that human beings have is to see the watch. It’s so painful to Me when I'm talking, people see the watch. I just can't bear it! Because now you are beyond time, beyond space. What are you going to do by saving time? What have you done so far? That shows your priorities. Our priorities must change and you can change them easily once you start enjoying. Once you have tasted the nectar of Divine Love, the Amruta, then you are not going to drink dirty water. But you first of all remember that, the joy that you enjoyed. That is one way of fixing, so-called fixing, your subtleties.It's the attention which gets covered by gross things of life, even in the emotional side of it, for example, you have relationships. We have seen some Sahaja Yogis being lost like that. They had some very gross relationships with people, even gurus and some of them were friends and some other dirty relationships, you can say, and they couldn't give up and they are lost. So you have to sit down and find out, "Why am I not enjoying myself? I am the loser. Because those things, if they were joy-giving, I would not have run towards them from one to another. They never satisfied me fully; so why to go back to them again?" The emotional enjoyments, which you regard as something very important, are also to be weighed in the new dimension of your attention and the subtleties. You consider somebody as your very-near-and-dear and you have a business relationship, or some sort of a…I don't know, what sorts of human relations people have. You must know that it is very superficial and you cannot have any joy out of it. Like you drink water from a cup, now the cup itself is superficial, the water is superficial; the most important thing is your tongue which can feel the water. If the tongue cannot feel the water and if the water feels like stones, what's the use of taking water? So the most important thing is the taste in the tongue, in the essence. In the same way the essence of our enjoyment is the joy and the joy is in feeling the vibrations. So wherever you get the joy, you should have it. But the new awareness is not so much gone into your being, that's why this is a problem. Otherwise for human beings it is not difficult to tell him that, "This is nice, you drink." He takes it and he knows it is nice. He won't eat something that is bitter. If you have to give him something horrible tasting, you'll have to give him chocolate first and chocolate later. But human beings, when they become evolved, I have seen that they are more prone towards the horrible things because of their previous attractions. So, put your attention fully towards divine, pull it out, completely towards It. So that there is no attention left towards the gross side.Even now I find people coming and asking Me, "Mataji, I have a problem, I want a job, what should I do? Mother, this is to be done, that is to be done?" Of Course that is by-the-way is alright. But if that attracts your attention, means you have lost sense of your understanding that you are a Sahaja Yogi and that your joy is in the subtler form, and you can enjoy it. So these gross things are never going to give you joy, so why not ask for something that is going to give you that subtle joy which you can enjoy; only you can enjoy. So this is what happens to our attention. We get lost because of our previous ideas and our emotional bindings. And we can also say that our spiritual bindings, so-called, "We are Hindus, Muslims, Christians; we are vegetarians, non-vegetarians; we are -" I don't know, "We are Brahmins, non-Brahmins, and all kind of things we are”, but we are not what we are.And, all these things again also come back to you that, "We are Jains, so we are Jains, so we are very great people." You get Me any Jain from anywhere or anyone from anywhere, does he have the sense of vibrations? Then how is it that person becomes your guru or that person can teach you about these things. You are now a master. Does the headmaster come and learns from the boys who are admitted in the schools?I have seen even a newcomer who comes in, if he has a badha, he can entice away at least 5% of Sahaja Yogis, easily. He will talk big, he will show-off and he can bring some guru inside and five percent will run after that, minimum. How do you explain it? Only thing is that you should not be one of them. Everyone should think for oneself and not for others. You should think that this, you are capable of or not? So in spiritual bindings also your attention is lost like that and all these dimensions are outside. Now in a description of Gokul, of Vrindavan, you must have read that when Krishna used to play His flute, all the women who were working - the gopis in the household - would leave every work, everything. The milk would be while boiling and they - work was half-done or full-done; they were eating their food or in whatever pose they were sitting, they would just get up and run towards that murli (flute). And when they would go there; they would stand just like a picture, chitrawat se thade - just like a picture, no movement in the body, nothing, just standing and listening with full attention. What was so…? He was not even speaking. Just a murli being played and all of them just listening, like a picture. What was it? The enjoyment that they were feeling; the enjoyment they were enjoying within themselves, the joy that was pouring into them with that murli - just standing and listening, that's all. What is that? That is the subtleness of that enjoyment. Just like meditation they would stand. In the same way your attention and mind should be on Sahaja, on your being one with God. You are one with God; put your centrifugal force towards God, completely. Put yourself in connection, all the time, with God and the rest of the work is done, yantrawat, just like instruments, the whole thing will start working. The human mind is used to do things in a ritual way. That they think that, if you have to raise this house now you have to dig the…first the foundation, then the pile, piling up and then you have those pillars and then you have to have the roof. And, that is how, one after another they plan out things. But in God's own kingdom there is no planning, you just sit down and you just enjoy! If your attention is there, all the work is done. Full attention and then He takes out work. And give full priority to that! Do not compromise your way through. You have to help others also to come up, so [you] must remember, for that also, your attention should be on your Atma, on your Spirit, on God - completely one with Him in that joy. The whole heart is there and with your both hands and with your both feet, with all your attention you can pull out people, because your attention is all the time fed, nurtured and looked after. Then you will enjoy also the lifting of the people. Nothing can be alright, unless and until you develop the subtleties of your attention. And, they develop, by receding your attention from all that is gross. Recede your attention! Whenever it goes too much into any thought like that, "Oh, Forget it!" But into vibrations pay full attention. Seeing vibrations, you pay full attention; seeing your own vibrations, pay full attention. Other things you need not worry, they will be all looked after. That is how your attention is subtler in the Kingdom of God. The style is different.When the lotus is in the mud and it has to come out. It finds its way through many crevices and many holes in that mud. But when it is out, out in the open, absolutely liberated, free, then it does not go on dashing here and there, but just opens out and receives the beautiful dew. And the dew melts the fragrance in the lotus; automatically the fragrance starts flowing. It's a different style altogether, its different method; it's a different way of life - that is being Sahaja. Just whether you are sleeping or you are awake, keep your attention...

Attention and joy, (2nd Day of 3 day shibir), Bordi (India), 27 January 1977. ...wobbling too much and how to fix the attention. Now the quality of attention changes according to the state of your evolution. For example, in an animal... So where is the attention placed in the human being? It is not a fixed point. You can say, attention is the surface or the edge of awareness. Wherever we are made aware, the attention gets diverted to that point. If you can find some analogy, all the files (filings) of iron have got a power to be attracted towards the magnet. Where is that power, you cannot locate - it is all over. Wherever the magnet is placed the files are attracted. Our attention is also like that, that wherever we are attracted, our attention goes there. It is existing in the whole body, in the sense that it can be diverted anywhere, outside the body. Also inside the body, in case if there is any pain or there is any trouble. It floats over the nerves, it floats over the whole nervous system, but there is a controlling centre in the brain. If it is hit then we can remain conscious, but without any attention. Also, if somebody is hit on the Vishuddhi Chakra, it can happen. It can happen even in the lower chakras if somebody is hit. That portion will lose its attention because you cannot feel, in that part. The difference is this, that you can pay attention to those points, if you want to, even if they are numbed. For example, if my hand is numb I can pay attention to that, means I can look at it, I can think of it. But there is a point in our being [which], if that is hit then we cannot even think, we are just lying unconscious they say, but eyes are open, hands are moving, legs are moving. That point is at the point of Vishuddhi Chakra here. And if you can draw a line from here to the point where is the peetha of Vishuddhi Chakra is inside, inside the brain; along that line if you are hit anywhere you become attention-less, you cannot pay attention anywhere. This line passes through, also, Agnya Chakra. Because when this point is connected with Vishuddhi Chakra at the back, in here, and at the peetha inside, then a kind of a triangle is formed and all this line or this area can affect your attention. Your heart is moving, your limbs are moving but you are not paying attention anywhere. So when you pay attention to something, actually you pay attention, normally - when you are not realised - through your brain centres. After realisation, you can pay attention through your other centres also. You do pay. This is a very big difference between a person who is realised and who is not realised. Or you can say that you can become effective through your other centres by paying attention to them. You can feel the centres which are obstructed in your body, which you never felt before. Not only that, but you can feel the centres of other people. That means your central nervous system is being blessed by a new awareness by which it can convey to you, communicate to you, the attention paid by your centres and also it can take your attention in a subtler way into the centres of others. So, first thing that happens to you is that your attention becomes subtler. Attention becoming subtler means you start understanding deeper things. For example, a bird can see a flower but cannot feel the beauty of a flower. And a unrealised person can see the beauty of a flower, but cannot see the vibrations of the flower. So you become subtler, your attention becomes subtler. You definitely are at a higher evolutionary stage than the other people are. Now we have to see how we use our attention. You have seen, even when you were not realised, that, supposing you start developing an art in your hand from your very childhood, then you develop the deftness of that particular art, because a kind of a myelin sheath grows on the nerves. In the same way, when you are realised, I would say when you are a newly born person, if you start respecting your attention then gradually you develop a deftness for Sahaja Yoga. But so many people, when they get realised, they hardly come second time. Even if they come second time, they do not develop the feeling of vibrations more, they still go on being busy with their day-to-day work, wasting their attention on things which do not give you the subtler feeling. So the subtleness, the deftness of the art of Sahaja does not develop itself. For example, I would say a person who is over-read, as soon as he gets his realisation he starts tallying it with what he has read, this makes his attention again wasted. As it is, his attention has been fixed by these conventional ideas; some of them are correct, some are incorrect, some are absolutely faulty, some are useless. Some are only because they wanted to make money, they have published some trash.As soon as you get realisation, you go back to your own gross awareness and start tallying this subtle with the gross, so you start again losing your vibrations. Actually after getting realisation I have seen, with small children, they sleep for very long hours. They become little inactive for some time. But if an elder gets it he will immediately go to the book store, buy one book on Kundalini and start reading about it. Then some of you, not understanding that you have become somebody else, take it for granted, "Alright, Mataji has been very kind; She says I am far, but how am I to believe?" As if by believing it they are going to give some money to Me or I don't know what they are going to give. "I can see the vibrations coming, but what's the use of getting the vibrations? Why did She give us vibrations?" Again come back to the gross idea of utility, because that's human nature, has been so far, to make everything into utility. Everything must be utilised, you see. Man thinks no end of himself. So he starts putting his realisation into utility. "What utility it has? How many people are going to get it? What is going to happen? What is the ratio? What is the schedule? What is this? What is that?" You have been given this subtleness to enjoy. Like, if we enjoy the beauty of flower, we just enjoy. Do we go to the books and find out, "What we should do about with this enjoyment of ours? How to enjoy this flower?” And then “What to do?” And, “Who has described about the flowers, so let us see if this is fitting into that?" But is done very commonly and I really don't know how to say, because it's such a foolish thing. And I am only afraid that, sometimes, if I say, they will feel hurt, and, as human beings are, they get hurt for nothing at all. That's very foolish. Children are very sensible that way. Once they get it they start enjoying it. They just enjoy it. They just sleep off! They are not bothered. They think, that it’s something that is to be enjoyed, “Let us enjoy it." So at the very outset it happens like that. And the man doesn't know that how he has made himself even much more gross than he was ever in this Kali Yuga, in these modern times: by organising things according to his own ideas and conceptions. He has become so unnatural, so foolish that discrimination between joy and ugliness, he does not have. He's so confused. So, first of all, it is not only one reason but there are many reasons. And as I described to you, inherently, it is the human, gross activities before realisation. If you understand the disease, from where it has come, sometimes it's easier to correct it. You cannot just correct the disease without understanding the history behind it. If you are a student of history you will know how human beings have behaved. I mean, you just start wondering, what's wrong with these people? God created one world! I mean just think, a person like Me coming on this earth, suddenly you find there are so many countries being created. Alright created, you can have separate countries if you cannot manage the whole world together, but then the fighting going on, killing each other. All kinds of problems for nothing at all, I mean it's such a madhouse! So historically if you see how man has made himself mad - it's not easy (laughing) to compile all that in one lecture, you'll have to write volumes. I think there are already written volumes. So, there is [a] historical background, which has spoilt your attention.Physically, those who come for physical handicap or physical trouble or something like that because they are sick, are sometime little better than the people who do not have this, because they definitely get the relief part of the joy. If they get their relief, there is a little shadow of joy that they feel and, then they start understanding that it is to be enjoyed. But I would say, they too once they get the relief they just disappear. Not understanding that there is something greater than this to be tasted and enjoyed.And the physical enjoyment in Sahaja Yoga, itself, is sufficient to keep your attention subtler. You do not have to fix your attention but you have to get subtler and subtler in your attention. Fixing up of your attention, as you know, is a very wrong method. That was done by some yogis and you know what is the result of that: their chakras were all broken and finished. When they fixed their attention onto Agnya Chakra, you have seen that Agnya Chakra is broken. You are not to fix any attention but you have to make your attention subtler and subtler. As I told you that a magnet, when brought say near the stones nothing happens to the stones, they are just there; you move the magnet any way you like. But when you take it to the iron filings, only, the filings are attracted towards the magnet. In the same way the attention of a Sahaja Yogi should be so subtle that he should feel the vibrations, he should think of vibrations, he should eat vibration, drink vibration and enjoy them. On the physical side, many people tell Me that, "We went to their house and they offered me laddoos and I had to eat. What can you do, Mataji?" Actually, you see, they felt attracted towards the shape of the laddoos. They ate it, but they didn't see the vibrations of those laddoos, they just ate it off and then they had a stomach trouble. When they have a stomach trouble, then they said, "Mataji, we have lost our vibrations, now what to do? We ate the laddoos." But if you had seen that there are no vibrations in that laddoo, you should have said that, "Today I am not supposed to eat anything," or something like that, and you should not have eaten them!If you see a born-realised child, he will never eat. Even the mother beats the child, he'll say, "Alright, beat me but I'm not going to eat it!" Because they are not going to eat the filth, such children are supposed to be very obstinate, they think they are obstinate. Because they know, "There is no vibration, so why should we eat because we are not going to enjoy." So on the physical side, there are so many such mistakes you have committed. If you take to now, say habits you have, supposing you have a habit of say, pulling your hair. There was some lady who had a habit of pulling her hair and she used to become bald here, then bald here, then bald here and the hair used to grow this side, then she used to have a bald head here. Then she will pull her hair here. Such a person! So she came to Me for treatment. Imagine! So I told her, "Why do you do like this?" She says, "Now my attention is like that, it always starts pulling my hair." I said, "What to do? Such an attention you have got!" So, you know her elder sister used to beat her on her hand, any time she put her hand. She said, "You must beat me, if you don't beat me I'll beat you." But the beating was on and everybody used to look at them, "What are they doing between each other?" And still, you see, she could not stop it! All habits are like this monkey business. All of them are like that, because the matter is trying to sit on top of our attention, all the time, and so we form habits. Certain habits are alright, convenient, and convenience like that. I mean some people to break habits, you know, they say "We'll not sit on the ground nor sit on the chair." "So where will you sit?" "We'll sit in a sitting pose and we'll practice that sort of a thing."I mean you need not do such a nonsense. I'm meaning that certain things are alright, don't go to extremes. But certain habits that we acquired, is mostly because of fashions. And we start, because somebody's smoking, he forces you, he says “Alright”, and one bad habit we have got, is not to say no to anyone. "How to say 'No', you see, they were all drinking and they offered us drinks and we said 'No,' but they were just forcing us. Then it looked very bad, you know, not to drink and... And they offered one cup, glass of drink to me and then I said, 'Alright, I'll have very little sip,' you know one day and then I had it like that. And then my relations, you see, they came and they invited us for dinner and we had to go, and then they started a cabaret dance, you know, and we had to see, after all it would look very bad not to see a naked woman."(laughing)“Oh, we are very innocent people!” So we go on explaining, "What to do now, this is the society, this is the fashion, this is the style, this is how it is." But a Sahaja Yogi is a special one, he's a chosen one. Because you haven't got your own value. tumala kimat nai sataji (Marathi) You have not valued yourself as I have valued you. This is a fact which very few realise really, that to get realisation like this, there must be something tremendous that Mataji must have done. She must have put in lot of labour, to work this out Herself; She must have done tremendous tapasyas in all Her lives. And even in this life She must have worked very hard, day in and day out. And here we are when we get it, how common place the whole thing is, how we are about it. I thought by giving realisation you will immediately see your value and you'll think that you are something great and that you have got this realisation and the sakshatkar, but it is not so. And you start compromising with gross things in life.There is a huge populace which is to be led by one of you. One of you can lead all of them. Leaders do not compromise, leaders do not solve the problems of the people whom they lead, but they give them problems to be solved. They stand above them, they are much above them, they do not compromise, they do not bend. Others bend before them. If the light starts falling and faltering on the roads, what will the person do who is carrying the light in the hand? You all are like the torches and what kind of life you should have and a personality you should have, it is for you to decide. That's the attention - gives the priorities. When you understand how your physical bringing, presence, this body of yours, has to be clean, has to be beautiful, has to be soft, kind, has to be elegant, dignified.I have seen people in groups, when you are sitting down, behaving in a manner [that] even an ordinarily educated person won't behave. The reason is, you have not yet realised that you are the leaders and people are watching you. There should be a kind of a masti, should be satisfied with yourself. So on the physical aspect, what you eat, what you see, what you like, the whole priorities must change. What should be most important is Sahaja; in every circumstance, in every method, a habit - sahaja.Sahaja means is born with you, Sahaja doesn't mean easy. Many people confuse. You have now got your right; that one was born with you. So for you, it is necessary to know that you are a Sahaja and that you are not going to accept anything that is asahaja. Sahaja means that! Sahaja means that you take the light of Sahaja above everything else over the darkness and not to accept darkness which is asahaja. So how can you have any habits which give you sympathetic bondage? Sahaja means you have a special, subtle awareness. A king doesn't clean the streets. On the physical side your attention is lost like that, because you indulge into all asahaja methods that you had before, that others have. You get lost into the asahaja system of life. You have to change the complete system of the whole world in which people become Sahaja and not asahaja. Then only the whole thing will become a Sahaja for you. It is a big misunderstanding about Sahaja Yogis. They think "Oh! When it will come sahaja, then we will do this work, then we'll go around and talk to people - it should come sahaja," nothing doing. This is a very wrong attitude. ‘Sahaja’ means that you have got the light of Sahaja within you and how can you tolerate anything… (break in recording) ...of your life is concerned, means you must know what to dress up, how to talk, where to go, whom to meet, who are your brothers, who are your sisters, who are your sons and who are your parents. That is how your attention is lost. Then your gross habits: your old life that was there which has to be just chiseled out, is to be finished. And you cannot go on, because if you go on, you will catch up here and catch up there, then you'll break your neck, you'll come to Me, "Mother, I have broken my back and this has happened, that has happened, it's paining, I'm getting hot, I'm getting headache, I am doing this." Till you become Sahaja it will go on working on you. But why not become your Self? For example a human being cannot sleep like a dog, for example. If he starts sleeping like a dog because there are all dogs around, then he is going to get the pain. In the same way if you are going to be asahaja because all are asahajas, you are going to get into trouble. Because the dog doesn't feel, though he might be getting pain, but he doesn't feel it. But you definitely feel it. The person who is not yet to reborn, doesn't feel it, he gets the problem but he doesn't feel it, you can feel it, and you jolly-well have to give it up, sooner the better! If you don't give it up then you are again going back to the same darkness and this new darkness may be hellish, it can be terrible.It’s better to die as human beings then, because then you can go on being born again as animals, this, that. But to be born again and knowing [the Truth], [if] you go on back again to your former habits, it can be very dangerous. That's how I fix your attention, with little fear into your mind, to your subtler being. The subtler being can only enjoy. In the morning you did enjoy the meditation, you had become subtler, I pushed you down there. But you have to keep yourself subtler by remembering, by remembering what has happened, how physically you felt nice. One of the worst habits that human beings have is to see the watch. It’s so painful to Me when I'm talking, people see the watch. I just can't bear it! Because now you are beyond time, beyond space. What are you going to do by saving time? What have you done so far? That shows your priorities. Our priorities must change and you can change them easily once you start enjoying. Once you have tasted the nectar of Divine Love, the Amruta, then you are not going to drink dirty water. But you first of all remember that, the joy that you enjoyed. That is one way of fixing, so-called fixing, your subtleties.It's the attention which gets covered by gross things of life, even in the emotional side of it, for example, you have relationships. We have seen some Sahaja Yogis being lost like that. They had some very gross relationships with people, even gurus and some of them were friends and some other dirty relationships, you can say, and they couldn't give up and they are lost. So you have to sit down and find out, "Why am I not enjoying myself? I am the loser. Because those things, if they were joy-giving, I would not have run towards them from one to another. They never satisfied me fully; so why to go back to them again?" The emotional enjoyments, which you regard as something very important, are also to be weighed in the new dimension of your attention and the subtleties. You consider somebody as your very-near-and-dear and you have a business relationship, or some sort of a…I don't know, what sorts of human relations people have. You must know that it is very superficial and you cannot have any joy out of it. Like you drink water from a cup, now the cup itself is superficial, the water is superficial; the most important thing is your tongue which can feel the water. If the tongue cannot feel the water and if the water feels like stones, what's the use of taking water? So the most important thing is the taste in the tongue, in the essence. In the same way the essence of our enjoyment is the joy and the joy is in feeling the vibrations. So wherever you get the joy, you should have it. But the new awareness is not so much gone into your being, that's why this is a problem. Otherwise for human beings it is not difficult to tell him that, "This is nice, you drink." He takes it and he knows it is nice. He won't eat something that is bitter. If you have to give him something horrible tasting, you'll have to give him chocolate first and chocolate later. But human beings, when they become evolved, I have seen that they are more prone towards the horrible things because of their previous attractions. So, put your attention fully towards divine, pull it out, completely towards It. So that there is no attention left towards the gross side.Even now I find people coming and asking Me, "Mataji, I have a problem, I want a job, what should I do? Mother, this is to be done, that is to be done?" Of Course that is by-the-way is alright. But if that attracts your attention, means you have lost sense of your understanding that you are a Sahaja Yogi and that your joy is in the subtler form, and you can enjoy it. So these gross things are never going to give you joy, so why not ask for something that is going to give you that subtle joy which you can enjoy; only you can enjoy. So this is what happens to our attention. We get lost because of our previous ideas and our emotional bindings. And we can also say that our spiritual bindings, so-called, "We are Hindus, Muslims, Christians; we are vegetarians, non-vegetarians; we are -" I don't know, "We are Brahmins, non-Brahmins, and all kind of things we are”, but we are not what we are.And, all these things again also come back to you that, "We are Jains, so we are Jains, so we are very great people." You get Me any Jain from anywhere or anyone from anywhere, does he have the sense of vibrations? Then how is it that person becomes your guru or that person can teach you about these things. You are now a master. Does the headmaster come and learns from the boys who are admitted in the schools?I have seen even a newcomer who comes in, if he has a badha, he can entice away at least 5% of Sahaja Yogis, easily. He will talk big, he will show-off and he can bring some guru inside and five percent will run after that, minimum. How do you explain it? Only thing is that you should not be one of them. Everyone should think for oneself and not for others. You should think that this, you are capable of or not? So in spiritual bindings also your attention is lost like that and all these dimensions are outside. Now in a description of Gokul, of Vrindavan, you must have read that when Krishna used to play His flute, all the women who were working - the gopis in the household - would leave every work, everything. The milk would be while boiling and they - work was half-done or full-done; they were eating their food or in whatever pose they were sitting, they would just get up and run towards that murli (flute). And when they would go there; they would stand just like a picture, chitrawat se thade - just like a picture, no movement in the body, nothing, just standing and listening with full attention. What was so…? He was not even speaking. Just a murli being played and all of them just listening, like a picture. What was it? The enjoyment that they were feeling; the enjoyment they were enjoying within themselves, the joy that was pouring into them with that murli - just standing and listening, that's all. What is that? That is the subtleness of that enjoyment. Just like meditation they would stand. In the same way your attention and mind should be on Sahaja, on your being one with God. You are one with God; put your centrifugal force towards God, completely. Put yourself in connection, all the time, with God and the rest of the work is done, yantrawat, just like instruments, the whole thing will start working. The human mind is used to do things in a ritual way. That they think that, if you have to raise this house now you have to dig the…first the foundation, then the pile, piling up and then you have those pillars and then you have to have the roof. And, that is how, one after another they plan out things. But in God's own kingdom there is no planning, you just sit down and you just enjoy! If your attention is there, all the work is done. Full attention and then He takes out work. And give full priority to that! Do not compromise your way through. You have to help others also to come up, so [you] must remember, for that also, your attention should be on your Atma, on your Spirit, on God - completely one with Him in that joy. The whole heart is there and with your both hands and with your both feet, with all your attention you can pull out people, because your attention is all the time fed, nurtured and looked after. Then you will enjoy also the lifting of the people. Nothing can be alright, unless and until you develop the subtleties of your attention. And, they develop, by receding your attention from all that is gross. Recede your attention! Whenever it goes too much into any thought like that, "Oh, Forget it!" But into vibrations pay full attention. Seeing vibrations, you pay full attention; seeing your own vibrations, pay full attention. Other things you need not worry, they will be all looked after. That is how your attention is subtler in the Kingdom of God. The style is different.When the lotus is in the mud and it has to come out. It finds its way through many crevices and many holes in that mud. But when it is out, out in the open, absolutely liberated, free, then it does not go on dashing here and there, but just opens out and receives the beautiful dew. And the dew melts the fragrance in the lotus; automatically the fragrance starts flowing. It's a different style altogether, its different method; it's a different way of life - that is being Sahaja. Just whether you are sleeping or you are awake, keep your attention...

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Letter The other argument that I gave in my book is about a doctor who thought that the second birth is possible only through sex and I told him that: “you were born because of your parent and not by your own activity. To say that, when you love fully you must have sex that means you love someone for sex and that without it your love is not expressed. The absolute value of love is thus challenged. Also, how can you have sex with all the people all the time? It is not possible. Then how can you love the people “fully” all the time?,,,it so foolish and absurd that I cannot argue on such empty grounds. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

Letter The other argument that I gave in my book is about a doctor who thought that the second birth is possible only through sex and I told him that: “you were born because of your parent and not by your own activity. To say that, when you love fully you must have sex that means you love someone for sex and that without it your love is not expressed. The absolute value of love is thus challenged. Also, how can you have sex with all the people all the time? It is not possible. Then how can you love the people “fully” all the time?,,,it so foolish and absurd that I cannot argue on such empty grounds. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

2/1/1977

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Nabhi Chakra. February 1977. This talk was given in India during the western yogis' first India tour (Jan-March 1977). Precise location unknown. The Nabhi chakra, is placed at the centre of gravity, of every human being. If it is not there, that means it is going to be a little problem, for you to get it in its right place. There is a kind of a trouble which most of you suffer from, is maybe due to drugs or maybe nervous problems, due to war, or maybe some sort of a shock to your sustenance. For example, during war, people lost their values, because, they lost faith in God. Chaste women who believed in chastity, were brutally assaulted. Very religious people, were persecuted, families were broken., many men were killed, and children, women, and old people, were scattered. A very horrible atmosphere of insecurity, overpowered all these nations. Then came the concentration camps, you see, also, which shattered human beings, because human beings are very delicate instruments. They are the coveted creations, they are the highest and they were dominated by things like bombs, which are matter. Thus, the Spirit in man, died out. People lost faith in righteousness, in love.Then a new pattern of securities were built up. The industrial revolution followed it, as a result and the artificial sense of joy, of security, of love, was accepted by the society. This is what man did with his freedom, because wars are created by man, this is not God’s doing. But along with it, very great seeking souls, took their birth on this Earth. They started seeking beyond these artificial securities, like materialism. The seekers had no proper leaders, to organize them, and to lead them to the right path. So the mistakes committed by them, created a hurdle. So, apart from the hurdles of human awareness, so many other hurdles were added [Aside Shri Mataji : Yes] so many other hurdles were added, which made Sahaja Yoga a difficult process for them.The countries who took part in the war, only became the developed countries. As a reaction, no its a reaction, they are the only developed people, who are actually taking part in the war. And those who did not, are underdeveloped. So, on one side, we have countries, who are trying to seek, because they are overdeveloped, because they are affluent, but their seekers have lost their moorings, because of anti-feeling. Alright? While other countries are not yet developed, so the seekers there, are still seeking in money. At this juncture, Sahaja Yoga was found out, this was the stage by which the promised union of human awareness with God is established, through which you feel your unconscious, the Power of God, which is All-pervading, which thinks, organizes, and plans. Only through Kundalini Yoga of Sahaja, Sahaja Kundalini Yoga, only through Sahaja Kundalini Yoga, human beings are going to evolve. But those who are going to evolve, have to have their dharma intact.

Nabhi Chakra. February 1977. This talk was given in India during the western yogis' first India tour (Jan-March 1977). Precise location unknown. The Nabhi chakra, is placed at the centre of gravity, of every human being. If it is not there, that means it is going to be a little problem, for you to get it in its right place. There is a kind of a trouble which most of you suffer from, is maybe due to drugs or maybe nervous problems, due to war, or maybe some sort of a shock to your sustenance. For example, during war, people lost their values, because, they lost faith in God. Chaste women who believed in chastity, were brutally assaulted. Very religious people, were persecuted, families were broken., many men were killed, and children, women, and old people, were scattered. A very horrible atmosphere of insecurity, overpowered all these nations. Then came the concentration camps, you see, also, which shattered human beings, because human beings are very delicate instruments. They are the coveted creations, they are the highest and they were dominated by things like bombs, which are matter. Thus, the Spirit in man, died out. People lost faith in righteousness, in love.Then a new pattern of securities were built up. The industrial revolution followed it, as a result and the artificial sense of joy, of security, of love, was accepted by the society. This is what man did with his freedom, because wars are created by man, this is not God’s doing. But along with it, very great seeking souls, took their birth on this Earth. They started seeking beyond these artificial securities, like materialism. The seekers had no proper leaders, to organize them, and to lead them to the right path. So the mistakes committed by them, created a hurdle. So, apart from the hurdles of human awareness, so many other hurdles were added [Aside Shri Mataji : Yes] so many other hurdles were added, which made Sahaja Yoga a difficult process for them.The countries who took part in the war, only became the developed countries. As a reaction, no its a reaction, they are the only developed people, who are actually taking part in the war. And those who did not, are underdeveloped. So, on one side, we have countries, who are trying to seek, because they are overdeveloped, because they are affluent, but their seekers have lost their moorings, because of anti-feeling. Alright? While other countries are not yet developed, so the seekers there, are still seeking in money. At this juncture, Sahaja Yoga was found out, this was the stage by which the promised union of human awareness with God is established, through which you feel your unconscious, the Power of God, which is All-pervading, which thinks, organizes, and plans. Only through Kundalini Yoga of Sahaja, Sahaja Kundalini Yoga, only through Sahaja Kundalini Yoga, human beings are going to evolve. But those who are going to evolve, have to have their dharma intact.

2/1/1977

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The Heart Chakra and Omkara February 1977. This talk was given in India during the western yogis’ first India tour (Jan-March 1977). Precise location unknown. Transcript from Audio Now this left-hand side of the heart is concerned with your Mother and with Shiva, the existence. You get your existence through your mother. And Shiva and Parvati, they are your parents, both of them are your parents as far as your existence is concerned.And it is such a beautiful centre is your, heart centre. You want somebody to do something for your first, you want that somebody should yield or something, you find somebody very obstinate, well I have told you that you can beat them with shoes, do all those things. But there’s a very simple way if you know how to do it. You see, you just think of their hridaya [center heart], their heart and put a bandhan to that. And you can do it so beautifully, you can melt a person without any difficulties if you know how to handle their heart. You have to appeal to their heart and that’s the best attraction I tell you and the best secret method by which you can bring good in them when you are talking to somebody.Supposing I now, intellectually if I start quarrelling with you, you will give Me up in no time, but I have to use your heart power and I have to enter into your heart and that is how it works.So always when you want to do something like that, just humble down yourself in your heart, that is first. First of all you must humble down yourself in your heart and from there, work on the heart of others, just put a bandhan and you will see, a person will melt away. We melt our intelligence, our ego, everything, even your superego, in your heart. So it’s a very easy thing if you know how to approach people through their heart.And that is only possible if you are genuine because genuineness is something that a heart recognizes. You can befool a person with your cunning methods but the heart will recognize it later on and the person will hate you. Even if you talk to someone: “Oh, very nice, oh, very good, thank you very much, very nice” … and the heart knows: “Oh he’s trying to befool me and he’s very cunning", the heart’s going to hate such a person. And heart has the attitude to see and feels the person.So if you could appeal to somebody’s heart and put a bandhan on the heart you can melt that person. And if you love someone and if you want that person should be corrected -supposing such a person is a drunkard or a person who beats you and is torturing you because he’s under the spell of some drugs or some sort of a foreign thing - then you just put bandhan to his heart and you will see, they’ll be changing. They will be changing very fast.And that’s why you say 'change of heart'. Everywhere you find. In every scripture it is written : change of heart is needed, not the change of clothes. So it’s not an intellectual changing but a rational changing, but it is the change of heart.And that is brought about by moving the heart chakra, on the right hand side, in the clockwise manner. That is the heart itself in the clockwise manner. If you can do that, you can really do marvels. And that’s how on a collective basis, the heart is sort of the innermost, innermost string of the collective, one string that is passing through all of us. So if you could strike at the innermost - because in a three and a half circle that’s the innermost point - if you touch there, it passes over this. Supposing you touch somewhere else then it might break, but at the beginning if you start striking it, it goes very nicely and passes into complete circumference.Now the centre one I’ve told you is the heart plexus which we call as cardiac plexus and it has got ten sub-plexuses and the English names for that I will - again I’m going to give you the complete list. I don’t know when we’ll have time to go through the medical journal but I’ll find out all, all of them, and I’m going to tell you what they call it in, in the medical terminology. But they know that there are ten sub-plexuses which are supplying to the muscles of the heart, to the lungs and to the right side lungs and that’s how they divide it - But they do not know that it is already three parts and then there are ten petals which are working it out - I’m sorry, twelve petals, that are working it out. So three divided into twelve is four each side. But actually it is not so. It is the twelve petals are together in the centre, and the centre one is known as the “sacred heart.” In the Bible it is called as “sacred heart” and this is the sacredness of that heart in the abstract form is the motherly love of God. That’s why the Jagadamba, Mother of the Universe, resides there. And these, those twelve petals act according to the Mother of the heart and that’s why we cannot allow them to this side or that side, because it is 'She' who actually makes them pulsate. So here 'She' becomes a dominant person and not the heart.There are the Spirit rules. So Spirit rules by Itself and it is ruled with the help of the reflection of God Almighty Himself. It is on its own, it is arbitrary. It sees, it watches, it is the witness. It watches the play of these ten petals, 12 petals here, but if it finds that there’s too much of strain on the centre one, it just switches off, and when it’s switched off, the whole thing stops, you see. So you must understand the difference between the other chakras and this one, is that there is the Spirit on one side and the Mother, on the other side is a human, perfect personality [Shri Rama], three things are all together. Now, if you reduce them to our three powers, you’d understand. On one side is the instrument or you can say the nucleus for the left hand side working. In the centre it is - Or you can say left hand side working you can say the Mahakali’s working. In the centre you can say it is for the Mahalakshmi working. And the nucleus for the working of the right hand side is in the heart, on the right hand side, where Rama resides. Because we can call it a nucleus, the reason is because He was active, He was active without feeling, without feeling the witness state. Now they combined here where Krishna came and 'He' felt the witnessed state and 'He' called it as Leela, is the whole play. Rama never called it as play but He called it as play. So that’s why Krishna here is completed and that’s why we call Him as Sampoorna, is a complete incarnation, Adi. Do you know that Christ was here and I’ve told you about Christ in that book. I’ve read it out to you, the Devi Mahatmyam, what they have described about Him, how He was created and how is that he was brought here, He was Mahavishnu and how He was put there. But that is not - just now we are discussing, we are just now discussing about these three parts of the heart. Now what is the connection of these three parts? Why should they be placed at that time? Because at this juncture, we have three nucleus working together in, on three different channels and they are to be connected somehow.. They are to be connected, otherwise, you see, in a human being, there is not so much of connection established because there’s no Kundalini awakening. There is parasympathetic is halfway hanging, dangling and how are they to connect between the heart which is existence, between the heart which is evolution, between the heart which is activity?So at this juncture which is kept connected, once the heart stops, everything stops simultaneously. But when you are on this then your horoscope works out. Horoscope can work out only up to this point because if you predict a person is going to die according to a horoscope - Now say, they say, "He’s going to die", say "tomorrow." But he receives his Realization today, he is not going to die tomorrow, he will die much later. Or he’ll die whenever he feels like possibly, it has happened. Because he goes beyond this limit, where these three things are connected. So you see, they say that you have got limited number of heart beats, you have got limited number of breathing. When the breathing becomes so slow after Realization, the rate of breathing is so slow that, as it is realized, it is much elongated and the connection becomes very much different. Because the heart stops once you stop it, it cannot stop because other activities are stilled. So first of all, when a Realized soul dies, the Kundalini has to pass out from here and then the heart stops. It’s a different phenomena. And that’s why when a Realized soul dies, they find out that the prana, the life, has not passed through the mouth or from the nose, but it passes through here, and you find a clot of blood over here. But that is the sign that a person was Realized of a very high height. But those [realized] who die, even before such an achievement, they do not die with their eyes open, neither with nose bleeding or with their mouth open, but there is just no bleeding at all from the nose or from the mouth, no bleeding at all. And it could be they have to take pressure tests from them. Otherwise, in every other death, there is a bleeding. Eyes in some people may be opened, but if they are fully Realized then they’ll be closed. So this is the difference is. But at this level everything works out your [personality?], because here you are still at a level where you have not reached the witness state and that is the reason your horoscopes are working out your, all material things are working out at this level. And that’s how you become miraculously different.I’ll give another example of that, how you become miraculous. For example, a Realized soul is travelling by a train. We have got this example, a concrete example in India. There was a Realized soul travelling by a train and the train collided and not a single person was killed in that and there was - it has taken so many somersaults and nobody could explain. There was one car accident where one Realized soul was going by that car. It was a very big car and many boys were there and some of them were caught up together and they were all drunk and they were singing and he didn’t know what to do. But he was there somehow or other and not a single person died in that when this happened, which people were surprised how it had happened.Even if a Realized person is walking and if there is an accident that is going to come up, he’ll find suddenly something will happen that the accident will be averted. If you could put a bandhan at that time, you can immediately avert that accident.So you see, such a person who is Realized, who has gone beyond this state and has become in a witness state, such a person not only saves himself but saves others. So all your horoscopes and all these things you see, go into in different categories for a Realized soul because the whole thing changes. The whole thing changes, absolutely changes and he becomes a different person. His hands changes, his lines changes and people start saying, “Oh you must have been this and you must have been that” and then you see, those people who are not Realized, if they see your hand they might depict the spiritual change that has come into it. But still they stick onto certain things and they say some things, you see, that they cannot see. But if it is a Realized soul, he can tell you immediately that at what age you will get your full Realization, what will happen, all sorts of things, if he’s a fully Realized person. But actually, people after realization have no interest left in all these things, so seldom are. I’ve not know anyone who’s a Realized soul and still busy telling hands and some things like that. He has no interest left. But now this coming back to the heart again. On the right hand side we have got Rama’s place. Now Rama was known for His obedience to Swaddha, if you know his story. His father was in Ayodhya. He was ruling there and he had three wives. The third wife had no- I mean he had two children, sons, but she could not see Rama getting the throne. She [Kaikeyi]- was a very nice mother but somebody you see, some lady went and told something to her and she listened to her and she told her husband that, “If you want to give me my boon, the promised boon, you have to make Rama go into the jungle for 14 years, and give the throne to my son Bharata.” And when the Dasharatha heard this, he fainted, he fainted with this request but Rama was there. He heard it and He immediately told her that, "I am going to the forest and I’ve accepted it and your point your son has developed for Me. It’s all right." And that’s how He went, see. Just to obey the order of His father, because father had not even ordered but because he was compelled. He had given his wife two boons, that once you see in the war she saved his life, so he said that whenever you want you can ask for these two boons and they were. She never knew that she would use them in such a funny way. Later on she repented because Bharata came and he refused to accept the throne and he put only Rama’s slippers there and ruled there, and everything was different. But Dasharatha died, because when Rama went away, he just died.So, you see, Rama’s life shows how He was obedient to His parents. He suffered so much. Anyone who has not been respectful to His parents - you see, [End of audio of sound track]You see, if your parents have been unkind, you have every right to tell them that they should not be unkind to you and that you feel hurt, but you have no business to answer them back and you have to be respectful. You have to be respectful because they represent your Primordial Parents. You are not to shout at them and misbehave. You have to be respectful to them.They may be bad people you could not have being born to God, you have really chosen them and you said: “These are going to be my parents.” So if they are your parents, they are there because of certain reasons, because you have been seeking them into your previous lives and that’s how you are there.For example now, you see, you meet some parents and you think they are very good parents to their children. She said, “Oh God, can I get them as my parents?” Oh! You have it. Unless you have it, you know what it is to be their children. Then you start misbehaving with them, that’s not the way. Now only best way is to get the best out of them so that at least next time you do not come with such mistakes of choosing wrong parents and be respectful to them and it comes as a blessing. It is always very blissful. Your parents will be very hard, disciplining time, misunderstanding time, I know it’s very hard. And with the education that you have, and with the understanding you have of the whole world, you think they’re absolutely foolish and babyish and childish and immature. And specially when you have vibrations, you feel even worse about them because they can be quarrelling, addicted to things and they could be quite slaves. But you must understand that you see they have got these troubles. You could have been the same if you had not come to Sahaja Yoga, you could have been much worse. So let us understand them, try to help them out and if you are respectful I tell you, you can be very sure, if you are respectful to them, you can change them.19:50Elders, you can never change them by telling them off, never, that’s not the way to change your elders. By being respectfull, so they think they are to be respected. So they start behaving in a manner that they should be respected. This is, I’m telling you the secret, how to handle your parents is to be extremely respectful to them so they realize: “Oh God, when he respects me so much, how dare I misbehave in their presence?” This is the secret of handling your parents and not by shouting at them. Not that you have to do with children [?] but not with your elders. With your elders you have to create a feeling in them that they are to be respected. Like this, you see, you try, you try this thing with your elders. If you want anybody your elder to be nice to you, try to be extremely respectful and the person starts wondering: “Now what should I do to keep up my respect so I should not loose it?”20:41And what they value the most is the respect. Elders, they value the most is the respect. And if you give them the respect they will not give it up for anything. You can make them do whatever you like if you really show them the respect. And they will fight to keep that by giving up anything that, you see, lures them away from you, to keep the respect.But you see, it happens like that, you find your parents not doing what is right, you start suspecting them, then they think: “There it is, we have lost the respect, what are we going to gain now?” Because you see, these things do not sort of create any, any recording in their brains.We had a case, you see, some boy, he told Me about his father, that he’s been like this and he’s going down with a another woman and this and that, he’s behaving in such a manner, and it’s very wrong of him. I said: “I agree. It’s very wrong of him he should not do it” and so I said, “What are you doing?” He said: “We are hitting him and we are getting angry, we are abusing him.” And I said: “That’s not the way, that’s not the way. When he comes home you try to be very respectful. Try.” It worked. He gave up the woman. Because he cares for the respect.And you know how much is the respect! After all, most of the people if you see in this world, they want respect. If you respect someone, that person is willing to give up anything for that respect. And a father deserves it, because he’s your father and once you accept: “Yes, father, yes, yes,” and in a respectful way, you just try, and you see it will work.You see if you want something, all right, what will you have, just ask, “But can we stop it at that point? Let us talk about something”, you can direct the attention of your father only by being respectful, you just try with your mother and father. You’re not to boss over them, it’s real. I’m telling you the secret. Is not for anything for, you see, to make you change your ways or anything, but I’m just telling you the secret because you have lost the idea of the secretive methods of winning over people and understanding them and managing them, and really you will have your way. Only thing is to respect them. Now you might have some questions to start [inaudible]. Music But Bible is a book which is being compiled by various people at different places at different stages and all this was revealed to them by the Unconscious. All the knowledge that you find in the Bible was revealed to them by the Unconscious and they could not actually understand the full text of it. Whatever they understood or gathered, they put it down. Part of it was lost because it was not immediately recorded and also because the original bible itself was lost. So all explanations, all the things were left behind and that’s how people have a very good loophole to make whatever they feel like about all the great words that are in the Bible. For example, "The word." What is 'the word'? Is it logos or something? What is that? What is it comprising of, what does that mean, how it starts, from where it has come? It is OM. OM comes from three words: UH, OOH, MUH. UH, OOH, MUH. UH stands for the first creation of the left-hand side, what we call the Mahakali power. First only in the world manifestation of the superego took place, so we can say that UH stands for the beginning when only up to the stage when life was not created. OOH stands for the other stage, where now sound is the same. Sound is the same, manifestation is different. The voice is the same, My sound is the same. For example whatever is My sound, you can make it out wherever I speak, this is Mataji's speaking. Maybe the manifestation is different in UH, OOH, MUH. So first UH starts, then comes to OOH, which is Mahasaraswati power. We can say the three notes which we have as, I don’t know in English what you say to the notes but we say, SAH, UH SAH …, the basic three notes. So the second note is that of Mahasaraswati by which the life, Sun life, started working. And the third one is the MUH through which evolution started taking its place. So that is the Mahalakshmi stage. So you have got these three powers working together and that is, in a very short form, we say it is OM. But it is not only that human beings have said it. When you meditate you have seen that OMMMMMMMMMMMM I’m saying, that these three powers have a third, these three sounds, and that’s how this word is created of OM. For a realized soul, OM is a most powerful thing. For example, if you want to protect yourself, the word OM itself can protect; and when these three powers combine as OM we say that this only the child or the Sun God represents in its purest form OM. That’s why in the life of Christ or we can say in the life of a personality that represented the son of God, OM is very important because He embodies that OM within Himself. All these three powers are in Him and in the most innocent form. What I’m trying to say is this way, now you take any other deity, any other deity except for this one. Take any other deity, you will find they have more of this power, of that power. For example if you take say Vishnu who stands for evolution, if you take, say, Brahmadeva, he stands for creation. If you take Mahesha, he stands for the what you call the superego side, even if you take Krishna, He stands for evolution. But when you rise here, then only you find that all these three powers combine here at the Agnya. Till Agnya they are separated. At the Agnya they combine. That’s why it is very important that all these three powers are controlled by Christ and that’s why Jesus Christ is the most important Deity as far as Sahaja Yogis are concerned, because evolution is all right but the complete coordination and protection of a human being is only possible if you have all these three powers in your hands. She got her evolution quite all right, she got her realization quite all right, but then she found that her left side is broken. But supposing even if she’s evolved, what has she to do if the left side is overpowering her? Only Christ can save. Now supposing the right side is overactive. Some people it is, you know that very well. That right side of many people is active when you find their ego is too much temper. For them also, supposing they get evolved, what will happen? They’ll shoot all. But if they’re attacked by their ego, only Christ is the person who is going to give them a balance. And if you see Christ, Christ is nothing but a complete balance. It is a complete balance at a higher position. Have you seen a balance, how it is? Balance if you see which is kept at a higher position that the center. And that’s how it is, He balances, and that’s why He is the Omkara Himself, the embodiment of an Omkara because as we know that He is Ganesha and Ganesha is Omkara personified. In this sound of Omkara, the complete sounds of the worlds are there. All the permutations and combinations, the complete melody of these universes within these three sounds: UH, OOH, MUH. It is based on OM. When the Kundalini moves also, it moves in three ways: UH, OOH, MUH, because in the lower portion it is the UH. In the center portion it is the OOH, and here it is the MUH. Meaning that at the lower portion of the human being we are what was created as dead matter. In the center we are what is creation means creativity, and in the third is the evolutionary. So even we are divided in three ways, is, we are, our upper part is MUH, central part is OOH and the lower part is UH. That is how we are, and when you say OM in a proper way, you find the Kundalini rises. There is no difference at all as far as Bible is concerned and Sahaja Yoga is concerned, as far as Koran is concerned and Gita is concerned. Only the people with very limited vision see the difference. The one who has seen the internal of it cannot see any difference because it’s just the same. Only thing is because of circumstances, because of different methods by which it was manifested, you find a little difference in them, but as far as the matter is concerned and the substance is concerned, it is just the same. I do not find even a word which I cannot explain in the Bible or in the Koran or in the Gita. Everything can be explained very clearly but the problem with people is they cannot think in a unified manner, human beings cannot. They must try to find out the shell or a kind of a pool to stagnate. That’s human nature. They want to become worms all the time. Because they were once, they want to again become worms and amoeba. I think they’ll end up with being. I don’t know what to say. That’s why they cannot see the one universal truth that is flowing into them and that is the reason which has killed religions, all over, because once you know that there is one sound that is passing through all of these beautiful religions, the flowers of universal creation, then there cannot be any problem or fight. And by creating this kind of death for all the religions they have allowed these horrible people to come up and occupy the stage now. So you have them very nice to overcome all our physical, emotional and mental problems. OM works like anything. Now you may say that, "Where is the word OM in the Christian religion?" It is in Amen. Amen is nothing but OM because MUH means a nasal sound and end of a nasal sound and NUH also means nasal sound because in the Arabic language it’s written like a NEE, you see, and NEE with My name you say NOOH. With My name starts NUH, also written with a dot. All of them have got a dot. It’s a dot which shows that it’s a NUH. And in the Sanskrit language, 'dot' means 'NUH'. And that is why it is MUH and NUH. Amen is the same as OM. Now the problem is everything as evolution goes up, changes and that’s why OM was brought to the level of Amen. UH became AH and OOH became MUH, and MUH became NUH. As I told you that Christ came as a human being but He was Ganesha. And the swastika became the cross. The same way, OM is Amen. So after every prayer you are supposed to say 'Amen'. Why not 'Amen'? What does that mean? From there the word OM ends in English language. If you see, even in the word, in the languages, the universality is ringing but we have no eyes to see the universality. We think, “Oh we are Christians. We believe in Christ. We don’t believe in all this nonsense. Because others are all nonsensical.” But how are you related to Christ? How much do you know of Christ? That nobody knows, you see. And that is how all the problems of all the religions are now coming before you, that people just don’t believe in anything. They say that believing in religion is tomfoolery. All this tomfoolery going on. Why was such a lot of money on churches? Why should we have any popes and why should we have any big organizations in the name of God? Why should we have temples? Why should you? I mean, there are, as here, we have everywhere people who are revolting against all these so-called, they say so-called religions. But everything that has come into being in the name of God, in the purity of heart of people has come to them from God Himself. The only problem is, when it is communicated to a human being who is not yet realized. Even realized, how far are they realized? You have seen now, how much Kevin knows and how much you know. So even those are slightly realized, how much are they going to know what He wants to communicate? And that’s why this kind of foolish separation started among human beings and once you disintegrate religion into religions, finished. That was the best way of finishing religion, because they did not give the substance, the importance to the substance. They just tried to give importance to something that is so superficial and that superficiality also was created by these horrid people who just wanted to use Christ as their pocketbook, Krishna as if He belongs to their household. This OM has been used all over the world in a very, very subtle way, and the MUH’s word means Ma, and you know that all of us, for a Mother, say Ma. You go anywhere in the whole world, they understand the word Ma. Nobody has problem as far as the word Ma is concerned, because it ends up into that, that means the whole creation ends up at the feet of the Mother. Even Christianity you can understand that it is the Mother, even is love. When they talk of Mahommed Sahib, they must know that He had to take the help of five women to be there. And they were all one better than the other, all of them were UH OOH MUHs, with him, the powers. They were the powers that He had and that’s how He had to marry so many. None understands what was it. For example his own first wife Hadjia was nobody else but Mahasaraswati. His own daughter was nobody else but Mahalakshmi. So it was all His powers expressed as His wife or sister or daughter, who helped Him in His lifetime, sustaining His powers. Now the same word OM is used by negative forces also. How do they use it? They will give this name to some devil. Normally they do not because this is one of the purest words which cannot be contaminated. Normally they will not, normally they will not. I have not met anyone so far who has got a devil on him with the name 'OM' and nobody so far has given this name to anyone but I have seen people giving names like … These are the names, different: 'Imee' stands for Mahakali, 'Bree' for Mahasaraswati, 'Glee' for Mahalakshmi. I’m sorry, 'Imee' for Mahakali, 'Bree' for Mahalakshmi and 'Glee' for Mahasaraswati. So they will give these names, separately I have seen, to the devils whom they want to put. For example I will take the name of the gentleman, you know him, who calls himself transcendental and all that. He uses these names. Of course, out of them, the first one 'Imee' is now tied up somewhere. Now these 'Imee' 'Bree' 'Glee', though they are the names of the Goddesses, he can use. But he cannot use the name of OM and he cannot use the name of Jesus. He cannot give the name of Shri Ganesh. These names are beyond their … you see because they are terrible. A Mother can forgive, but these people are, they just burn them out, and that’s why they dare not put these names. You will not find, though they will say it like this that, "In the name of Jesus", you see, they might say. They might use the word 'Jesus', you see, "In the name of Jesus I give you this", like that. And they say, "The photograph of Jesus" and all that. And they might even use cross because you can see cross made by these people only. They can put them. But they cannot give the name of Jesus to these devils. They cannot ask you, “Say 'Jesus', 'Jesus'.” They will never say that. But they say … They might say all kinds of OOHMs and everything. But with all of these they can attack someone. Like this they say, “OM Namo Shivaya.” It’s all right, "OM Namoh Shiva." Now 'OM' you have put it. In that it neutralizes. They perhaps do not know it neutralizes a little bit, “OM Namoh Shivaya.” (End of side one) So somebody’s name is 'Namoh Shivaya' and he comes into it. And it means so great, means you bow to Shiva, that aspect of God which is eternal. But they will say that you take the name, “OM Namoh Shivaya” because with that the thing you see, it’s overpowered by Shiva and that’s how they will put 'OM' with that, but they’ll never give a single word as 'OM' at … point, because no devil will own that name, it’s too great. And these are the tricks these people play with the word 'OM' and you should play with the same. Whenever you feel like that, you just say 'OM'. Don’t say anything else. Say 'OM'. For you, every sentence has an end, even if you say, “OM Namoh Shivaya” … But even if you say, “OM Jesus”, it’s enough. Now in a circle. If you take the complete universe into a circle, then you make three portions of that, you get three arches. Say one is UH, another OOH, another MUH. When you try to reconstruct them, then you get UH OOH and MUH. There are three arches, you reconstruct them. First arch is bent like this, UH ; OOH, second one like that, and the third one is MUH. And the dot on that is the center point. Is the center point of the circle, dot on that. Now you have seen how OM is written down and that is how it is, the three arches are described like that. So the whole creation and the center dot, which is the God Himself, all put together makes the OM, and that is how it is being named. I think I have told you. Now first of all when the creation took place, how first the OM was formed? Did I tell you with the parabola, with the drawing? So the first sound, the first sound that started because of the separation, the first separation when it took place between the two identities, God and His Power, that was the time the sound started and that sound is nothing else but OM. That sound will be there and will work out till these two identities become one. Then there is no relativity left and so there is nothing. So people think the world has come out of nothing because there is no relativity. When they become two then there is something. Otherwise they are one and absolute and so there is nothing. When the sound merges or finishes or, as we say, disappears … (inaudible), that is the time when the whole creation merges into one action. So that is the point where one has to go. Now in your own being it happens. First you feel the OM. You feel it sometimes the sound coming. Sometimes you feel some sort of tingling going on, because there are seven sounds which are easily discernible out of this OM. Easily. But there are many, but I am saying at least seven you can easily find out. If you sit down sometimes you might hear some sort of a bell ringing, sometimes you’ll hear as if there is a waterfall and sometimes you’ll hear as if in the night the small crickets are singing. You see all kinds of sounds are coming, you see. You feel that they are there, something is happening, in the night, you see, that sort of a feeling you’ll get. All different types of sounds there are but seven sounds you can easily find out and all of them put together make the OM. So, if you play all of them in a proper manner, in a melodious manner, well we can say in a harmonious manner, then you’ll hear the sound OM. Now when there is a suggestion coming to you from somewhere, you’ll always feel there is a sound coming in your ears, so you’ll be alerted. You are alerted and you just pay attention what ideas are coming and then suddenly you get an idea. Note it down. These are the ideas coming from the unconscious. Just wait, a sound will come. And the sound will suggest that there is a suggestion coming, you note it down. But with the devil, such a thing will never happen. You will never get the sound. You also will get Ad… or something … with maybe little fragments because they carry as fragments, just … But mostly you get horrid smell of, as of burnt leather, or something like rotten egg. Horrid smells you get from such people who are possessed. So this OM is, is a sound that understands, that talks, that organizes, that informs and that is the sound of the Divine love. This is the electrical feeling that you get on your hand. But this is the sound. So we have got also five very subtle type of expression of five elements and those are this fine sound of OM. The vibrations are the electrical. There is a magnet in that sound or in that powered, for a person who is, who is realized. The person who is blessed by God has a magnetic power. That person attracts. That person may not even speak about, but people know about these things. They know that he’s a man who’s realized, there’s something special about him. Immediately you can find it out what he is. It is because of this sound and the magnet. You must have heard that sound when we converted into matter. In the same way, all these things are converted, the sound becomes a magnet, the magnet becomes the vibrations, the vibrations can become the Spirit. So these are all convertible and part and parcel of the same thing, the same energy which is the Divine love, which is love. Love has a sound and love has electricity, it has got magnetism and it has got the power. When all these subtle powers are poured on to any human being, it acts, it acts and people start improving in their health. You must have heard of experiments where people have tried music on some people who are not well and they have been cured. And what happens is that they, the subtler, subtler powers of the sound that we are manifesting, that behind it, the power that is manifesting it, comes into play. Which is a very small thing there. But with you people, when you put your hand, this is the sound of OM which is vibrating. It is so micro, micro waved vibrations, that you cannot see with a magnifying glass, you will not see My finger shaking at all. You’ll say they are very steady but they’re very microwaves. And the microwaves, when they pass into the body of the human beings or anything, there they awaken the microwaves that are sleeping in the body of the human beings or whatever things you use and they start generating the second, what you call, phase as the … of the outside … For example, I’ll tell you how. Now, I put My hand to a person who is sick. Now here I put it and he is sick on this part, he has got some trouble. What happens? These waves, they’re passing to there and whatever are sleeping inside you see, they are sort of regenerated. And they start getting awakened and they start getting strengthened. Now they generate the other manifested ones or we can say the apparent ones, by which the person feel cured. For example we put like this. Now the blood is clotted here, there’s no blood flow. You put your vibrations there. What happens, that the blood clot starts dissolving because the dissolution power of the blood is with the Vitamin K. And the Vitamin K is excited because these vibrations passing through that. And the Vitamin K is excited there later on by the microwaves which are receding and that’s how it works. But you cannot see that. They just work. They are abrusha(?). They are invisible. But they are there. To record them is impossible. Because human beings do not have any such instruments. Now at least, thank God, the scientists have accepted that we haven’t got ears to record everything that is in the sound. So, in the same way, they haven’t got records to record the vibrations of these microwaves. Now, when you people say OM, realized people, when you say OM, the sound waves of OM, you just try on a person who is, just now you are having some pain there. All right. Now just now you put your hand there and say OM. Try it (Music) Talk from: https://www.amruta.org/1979/03/11/talk-about-gandhi-hindi-part-1979/ I want to first tell you about My meeting and why Gandhi is so important. Perhaps you have never realized what a tremendous instrument Gandhiji was. At the age of seven years he just picked Me up from My family and I stayed with him very, very close, extremely close, and he used to call Me as Nepali. That was My name. And everybody knew Me by that name. After 40 years, or say 45 years or so, suddenly I met … in the wedding of his own son. And I went to him. I saw immediately he recognized Me. He said, “What, Nepali, how are you here?” And just tears started rolling down My eyes. That was Gandhiji. He was a tremendous hard master also and I always used to say that, "You can be hard but how can you be hard with all these people?" He would make us get up at 4 o’clock. It was very easy for Me to get up at four because you see, My body had no habits. I can get up any time and sleep any time. But I speak for others ... get up at four o’clock, and they had to clean their temples, they had to even, they sometimes had to clean, clean the bathrooms and the lavatories and everything with their own hands. He was a tremendous hard master but an extremely loving and compassionate person. He, as just now, as everyone has said, he definitely always used to talk to Me in a way as if I was a grandmother, you see, and he used to discuss things with Me, most surprising to all others in a way, and I was big and wiser to everyone and he would make Me say(?). And he said that guidance can be heard better from some children than from the older people. Even when I again went to Gamlasha (?) this time, My husband told Me the same thing, “Do You remember he used to say so.” I said, “I remember that.” But somehow he had recognized Me and he knew about Me, you see by … who had recognized Me and somehow or other, by which we have not been able to know, by which there were some people … (large section inaudible) Somewhere near there … (?) there were people who were absolutely standing an areas of … (?). They would not tolerate anything that was wrong for themselves. First thing they had was to keep themselves like that, in dharma. And Gandhiji used to really … (?) and ask us … (large section inaudible). He was a tremendous personality. And the thing that I have learnt from him, I should say, was one of the things which I could never have understood otherwise, is a sense of public money. Actually I have no sense of money at all, I am so… (?). I do not know what is bank, I do not know how to cash a check. I still, you know, I mean, I must have cashed lots of checks but I don’t know how to do it. Even today if you want to teach Me I just can’t learn. I am no good for that. But I’ve seen Gandhiji’s sense of public money. He was so keen, so keen and so sharp that anybody who has lived with him, I cannot understand how can they take to this kind of cheap dealing with public money. Once we had a meeting of all the big leaders and they came to Nandi ashram where we all girls were staying and some boys were there, looking after them, giving them pamphlets and things, and suddenly Gandhiji realized that it is very late and they should have their lunch in the ashram itself. So he said that, “Why not have your lunch here?” They said, “All right, if you think you will have, all right.” So he got up, he always had … [keys?] with him because … was not there. So he came down and he told us, “Let us weigh food for them and take it out.” So then we had to weigh according to the number of people who were there. He said, "I am a 'bakhta pavya'. You must properly weigh everything and take it out." And then he took about 15 minutes to do all that. Then again he took the piece, put it back and went on with his work. I think it was Maulana Azad or someone who was there who said, “Babu I never give, we never mean that you’ll be put to so much trouble for our sakes. We could have gone back a little later and had … .” He said, “Trouble, what trouble? No.” "The way you got up and had to take away (?),you are so cautious and careful about it." You know the word he said you know, “This is the blood of my people. I cannot allow it to be wasted or in any way spilled.” Just imagine he said, “Nibhani dani mira droga” I mean I cannot forget his sense of understanding. And even I have seen Mr. Shastri do the same. I mean, there was nothing like a double standard. On the contrary, the closer you get to them, you respected them much more, because they are so clean and so clean, and they thought with that they’d maintain that cleanliness and that standard. We are really very lucky to have such great people born in this country of ours. Only the trouble is that we have forgotten what great contribution they have done, that Gandhiji was one who came on this earth to save us from this fallen domination. In such a unique manner he laid down the basis for Sahaja Yoga. Actually in every way he laid down. For example if you see his ideas, economic ideas, are absolutely in tune with Sahaja. Now after the Industrial Revolution and Industrial Revolution as they call it in the west, people have gone so far in creating aggressive economy that they are astounded the way now things are working out in those countries. The aggression that started with the industry, the machinery, is now directed towards the human beings themselves. In England, you’ll be amazed, which is the soberest country among all others. In England, every week two children are killed by their parents is the statistics. Can you imagine? Good children. They are not illegitimate children. No family is safe from this aggression. The aggression is now towards oneself, is absolutely self-destructive. The machinery, the child that started creating things, also made human beings machines, and these machines had no feelings within them and the feelings started drying up and drying up to such an extent that human beings have become feelingsless. They have no emotions left. I don’t know if Gandhiji could have sensed it to that extent because you know, it is difficult for a saint to see the forces of evil, how far they can harm. It’s a very difficult thing. He did see something of it, so he was warning that, "Don’t go in for heavy industries. Heavy industries are very dangerous." And he threw out … that tried to keep… place in industries. With all this advancement in the West, you’ll be surprised that the condition is such that you cannot get anything fresh. The food that you get is nothing. But God knows what kind of a chemistry they have adopted, that all the time you feel you are eating chemicals. You do not feel you are eating any food. If you talk to people, you feel they are stumped/stunned(?), they are shocked and afraid of each other. There is no love, there is no trust, there is no give and take. It’s such a ridiculously absurd society that has been created, that it is important for us, so called developing countries, to look where have they fallen, to what ditches they have gone and stand by and see for yourself that though you are trying to use science and use these industrial achievements of other countries as a tool to our advancement, you should know that they can completely destroy us as they have destroyed those people. The destruction is not from outside so much. Of course it is in a way, the way we have created Hiroshima and all that, but the destruction is from within and that destruction is settling in such a big way that it’s impossible now to stop. Only way is to turn the whole thing into a new dimension by which you can control it and that is only possible through Sahaja Yoga. Thank God, My husband was elected and I went to London, that we have now a base. Bajanawi (?) you’ll be amazed, it is all based on the different chakras, one after another. All that Bajanawi will start from one to another. Is just like how we do it for our Kundalini awakening. It is based one after another, from one chakra to another chakra, to another chakra, to another chakra, though he has not mentioned anything else. Apart from that, we in Sahaja Yoga, we have to take account of all the incarnations, of all the prophets, of all the great primordial masters, who came on this earth and adjust accordingly the different movements of the Kundalini. Because according to Sahaja Yoga all these incarnations are within us and they help us and we have to awaken them. Same thing Gandhiji has done is to tell us that we have to look around, we have to know Bible, we have to know Gita, we have to know all these great scriptures and great people and integrate. Of course, that part is left to Me, is the actualization of what he wanted to do. Though he definitely had prepared the base economically, then political base also, he never believed in aggression. Never. And he said that sharing should be brought. He always believed even capitalism should be conquered through enlightenment. Though he was so busy with this emergency job of saving the whole nation, that he could not pay much attention to the subtler side of Sahaja Yoga, which I call 'awakening of the Kundalini' or 'Self realization'. But he always talked of, he always said about it. Most surprising he’s the only one I have seen so far who was not doing Self realization but was so close to it and could see clearly that Self realization is the only way for emancipation of human beings. His values and his styles were so correct. As a mother also, I was a child but I was a mother throughout and I would always feel that Gandhiji was little too strict and I used to say that, “You are too strict, I just can’t bear it” and tears used to come into My eyes. I said, “This is a bit too much.” He said, “No. We are in emergency. We have to be disciplined. We have to be disciplined and we have to tell them.” So once I told him, “Babu, if you want to discipline people, why not give them discipline from within?” He said, “How to get to their place?” I said, “It is very easy. You can do it.” He said, “Not just now. Not just now. First of all, let us be free. If you are not free, what can we enjoy? We cannot talk about it. People will say that we are not even free. How can we talk of freedom of Spirit? We should be free from the foreign domination.” I would say in emergency supposing we use a boat to cross over, then we do not carry the boat on our heads but we do carry the experiences of our crossing and those experiences are very great. And the greatness about Gandhiji was that he created great only by his personal character and by his dynamic, absolutely dynamic leadership. And the area when this has happened, I have seen those people were absolutely regenerated. You cannot believe how sacrificing they were. I have seen My own father, that today I think he was a legendary man, if I tell you how great he was. I mean, every way, I cannot find a single fault in his life as a leader. But today it’s very different and very sad that those who were supposed to be Gandhiji’s people, followers... The other day I talked to somebody that, "Why not start with basic education because we don’t live in cities. Why should we have this education? It doesn’t go to the villages." So he said, “That’s very different, it’s very different proposition” and all that. I was amazed, he was a Gandhini, how could he talk like that? It is not at all difficult to adopt Gandiji’s ways in India. As Gregoire told you, I have been to China and Mao has definitely followed Gandhiji. He has copied everything that Gandhiji has done. I was amazed because when I was there I saw even ………… being practiced by him. All the things that Gandhiji thought of, he has done and he has improved China. And today China is like a tiger. People are afraid. You see, this tiger has now awakened. Now what is it going to do? It has got its own power. And this is what Gandhiji had dreamt. Imagine that Mao should use it and why not our people? I don’t know. I should blame the bureaucrats or the congressmen or the politicians who never understood that Gandhiji was the most practical man and now Sahaja Yoga I’m sure will re-establish his ways. Definitely it has to be established. Too much of asking, too much of elaborations, too much of materialism makes you a slave of material. You’ll be amazed, we are supposed to be poor people. We are supposed to but we’re are not. In London or in America, American people are such miserly people that I’m absolutely shocked. Absolutely shockingly miserly. To spend five rupees for us is nothing, for somebody who comes to our house or something, but Americans are such miserly people, even if they have to spend one rupee they’ll think ten times. Same in England I find. And same in other places. Terribly, miserly calculating people. I have known some people, if you go to their house they’ll count heads and give you sandwiches accordingly. Horrid! And they behave in such a ridiculous manner. All the time they are thinking about money, how to make this money, how to make that money, how to keep it. You cannot imagine, this affluence so called has made them so poor. Absolutely absurd. I always felt that through these material gains they might become sort of satisfied people and would take to less materialism. But it’s not so. It’s just the opposite. People have taken to materialism as a religion and it is so maddening, so maddening that you can’t take it. You are just absolutely by the materialistic ideas you have, the values (?). It is such a mad world that if you stay there, then only you realize how maddening they are. So as a result, these people that are here, you can see them, they revolt. They could not bear it any more. They say, “We’ll get out of it.” But still the clutches of materialism are so great that they have to live with them and they find it very difficult. Only through Sahaja Yoga they have been able to establish themselves and steady themselves. I would say these are the great pioneers who will change the whole of the West. They are the foundations of tomorrow’s beautiful West, otherwise West is now a wasteland, nothing but a wasteland I can tell you. I hope these people will take to Sahaja Yoga in the right earnest (?) and will spread the message of Sahaja Yoga and will create that atmosphere as just now Dr. ………. was saying, the beautifying, the transforming atmosphere. In all these Western countries, run about, work it out and bring the dawn of a new world in which we all live together as human beings and as real brothers and sisters. Sahaja Yoga has done a great service to humanity and it has given you antar yoga within yourself. It has given you antar yoga between the Sahaja yogis. And it is so great that some of these people have been in India many a times. They have never been able to come close to Indians because all the Indians, those whom they met, were all westernized without ………. . They had the same ideas, the same philosophy, the same everything, and they were, they were enamored by the West and they were just praising the western culture and western way. But the first time they say, when they have come now, they went to Indian religious and the way they have come and embraced all these villagers and the way they danced together and the way they enjoyed, this is the real antar yoga, the real love between all of them, the real enjoyment and the real oneness that one feels. It is not just talking or saying of ideal things that, "We are brothers and sisters" and you are listening that you are all brothers and sisters, and nothing which is you just become, is the actualization: you cannot just help it helping another person. For example now, if I am sitting here and if I say that I have cured, I am doing no good. I am not doing it for any of you, I am doing it because you are part and parcel of My whole (?). I have to jolly well cure you if I want to feel all. I can feel you within Myself. This is the actualization of collective consciousness. And once that happens, you just start feeling the oneness. And today I am going to talk about collective consciousness to you through Sahaja Yoga. How we get it, it’s an actualization, not brainwashing or lecturing. This is the difference between the way people have been talking, we talk before it happens. But now the time has come, it is to happen.

The Heart Chakra and Omkara February 1977. This talk was given in India during the western yogis’ first India tour (Jan-March 1977). Precise location unknown. Transcript from Audio Now this left-hand side of the heart is concerned with your Mother and with Shiva, the existence. You get your existence through your mother. And Shiva and Parvati, they are your parents, both of them are your parents as far as your existence is concerned.And it is such a beautiful centre is your, heart centre. You want somebody to do something for your first, you want that somebody should yield or something, you find somebody very obstinate, well I have told you that you can beat them with shoes, do all those things. But there’s a very simple way if you know how to do it. You see, you just think of their hridaya [center heart], their heart and put a bandhan to that. And you can do it so beautifully, you can melt a person without any difficulties if you know how to handle their heart. You have to appeal to their heart and that’s the best attraction I tell you and the best secret method by which you can bring good in them when you are talking to somebody.Supposing I now, intellectually if I start quarrelling with you, you will give Me up in no time, but I have to use your heart power and I have to enter into your heart and that is how it works.So always when you want to do something like that, just humble down yourself in your heart, that is first. First of all you must humble down yourself in your heart and from there, work on the heart of others, just put a bandhan and you will see, a person will melt away. We melt our intelligence, our ego, everything, even your superego, in your heart. So it’s a very easy thing if you know how to approach people through their heart.And that is only possible if you are genuine because genuineness is something that a heart recognizes. You can befool a person with your cunning methods but the heart will recognize it later on and the person will hate you. Even if you talk to someone: “Oh, very nice, oh, very good, thank you very much, very nice” … and the heart knows: “Oh he’s trying to befool me and he’s very cunning", the heart’s going to hate such a person. And heart has the attitude to see and feels the person.So if you could appeal to somebody’s heart and put a bandhan on the heart you can melt that person. And if you love someone and if you want that person should be corrected -supposing such a person is a drunkard or a person who beats you and is torturing you because he’s under the spell of some drugs or some sort of a foreign thing - then you just put bandhan to his heart and you will see, they’ll be changing. They will be changing very fast.And that’s why you say 'change of heart'. Everywhere you find. In every scripture it is written : change of heart is needed, not the change of clothes. So it’s not an intellectual changing but a rational changing, but it is the change of heart.And that is brought about by moving the heart chakra, on the right hand side, in the clockwise manner. That is the heart itself in the clockwise manner. If you can do that, you can really do marvels. And that’s how on a collective basis, the heart is sort of the innermost, innermost string of the collective, one string that is passing through all of us. So if you could strike at the innermost - because in a three and a half circle that’s the innermost point - if you touch there, it passes over this. Supposing you touch somewhere else then it might break, but at the beginning if you start striking it, it goes very nicely and passes into complete circumference.Now the centre one I’ve told you is the heart plexus which we call as cardiac plexus and it has got ten sub-plexuses and the English names for that I will - again I’m going to give you the complete list. I don’t know when we’ll have time to go through the medical journal but I’ll find out all, all of them, and I’m going to tell you what they call it in, in the medical terminology. But they know that there are ten sub-plexuses which are supplying to the muscles of the heart, to the lungs and to the right side lungs and that’s how they divide it - But they do not know that it is already three parts and then there are ten petals which are working it out - I’m sorry, twelve petals, that are working it out. So three divided into twelve is four each side. But actually it is not so. It is the twelve petals are together in the centre, and the centre one is known as the “sacred heart.” In the Bible it is called as “sacred heart” and this is the sacredness of that heart in the abstract form is the motherly love of God. That’s why the Jagadamba, Mother of the Universe, resides there. And these, those twelve petals act according to the Mother of the heart and that’s why we cannot allow them to this side or that side, because it is 'She' who actually makes them pulsate. So here 'She' becomes a dominant person and not the heart.There are the Spirit rules. So Spirit rules by Itself and it is ruled with the help of the reflection of God Almighty Himself. It is on its own, it is arbitrary. It sees, it watches, it is the witness. It watches the play of these ten petals, 12 petals here, but if it finds that there’s too much of strain on the centre one, it just switches off, and when it’s switched off, the whole thing stops, you see. So you must understand the difference between the other chakras and this one, is that there is the Spirit on one side and the Mother, on the other side is a human, perfect personality [Shri Rama], three things are all together. Now, if you reduce them to our three powers, you’d understand. On one side is the instrument or you can say the nucleus for the left hand side working. In the centre it is - Or you can say left hand side working you can say the Mahakali’s working. In the centre you can say it is for the Mahalakshmi working. And the nucleus for the working of the right hand side is in the heart, on the right hand side, where Rama resides. Because we can call it a nucleus, the reason is because He was active, He was active without feeling, without feeling the witness state. Now they combined here where Krishna came and 'He' felt the witnessed state and 'He' called it as Leela, is the whole play. Rama never called it as play but He called it as play. So that’s why Krishna here is completed and that’s why we call Him as Sampoorna, is a complete incarnation, Adi. Do you know that Christ was here and I’ve told you about Christ in that book. I’ve read it out to you, the Devi Mahatmyam, what they have described about Him, how He was created and how is that he was brought here, He was Mahavishnu and how He was put there. But that is not - just now we are discussing, we are just now discussing about these three parts of the heart. Now what is the connection of these three parts? Why should they be placed at that time? Because at this juncture, we have three nucleus working together in, on three different channels and they are to be connected somehow.. They are to be connected, otherwise, you see, in a human being, there is not so much of connection established because there’s no Kundalini awakening. There is parasympathetic is halfway hanging, dangling and how are they to connect between the heart which is existence, between the heart which is evolution, between the heart which is activity?So at this juncture which is kept connected, once the heart stops, everything stops simultaneously. But when you are on this then your horoscope works out. Horoscope can work out only up to this point because if you predict a person is going to die according to a horoscope - Now say, they say, "He’s going to die", say "tomorrow." But he receives his Realization today, he is not going to die tomorrow, he will die much later. Or he’ll die whenever he feels like possibly, it has happened. Because he goes beyond this limit, where these three things are connected. So you see, they say that you have got limited number of heart beats, you have got limited number of breathing. When the breathing becomes so slow after Realization, the rate of breathing is so slow that, as it is realized, it is much elongated and the connection becomes very much different. Because the heart stops once you stop it, it cannot stop because other activities are stilled. So first of all, when a Realized soul dies, the Kundalini has to pass out from here and then the heart stops. It’s a different phenomena. And that’s why when a Realized soul dies, they find out that the prana, the life, has not passed through the mouth or from the nose, but it passes through here, and you find a clot of blood over here. But that is the sign that a person was Realized of a very high height. But those [realized] who die, even before such an achievement, they do not die with their eyes open, neither with nose bleeding or with their mouth open, but there is just no bleeding at all from the nose or from the mouth, no bleeding at all. And it could be they have to take pressure tests from them. Otherwise, in every other death, there is a bleeding. Eyes in some people may be opened, but if they are fully Realized then they’ll be closed. So this is the difference is. But at this level everything works out your [personality?], because here you are still at a level where you have not reached the witness state and that is the reason your horoscopes are working out your, all material things are working out at this level. And that’s how you become miraculously different.I’ll give another example of that, how you become miraculous. For example, a Realized soul is travelling by a train. We have got this example, a concrete example in India. There was a Realized soul travelling by a train and the train collided and not a single person was killed in that and there was - it has taken so many somersaults and nobody could explain. There was one car accident where one Realized soul was going by that car. It was a very big car and many boys were there and some of them were caught up together and they were all drunk and they were singing and he didn’t know what to do. But he was there somehow or other and not a single person died in that when this happened, which people were surprised how it had happened.Even if a Realized person is walking and if there is an accident that is going to come up, he’ll find suddenly something will happen that the accident will be averted. If you could put a bandhan at that time, you can immediately avert that accident.So you see, such a person who is Realized, who has gone beyond this state and has become in a witness state, such a person not only saves himself but saves others. So all your horoscopes and all these things you see, go into in different categories for a Realized soul because the whole thing changes. The whole thing changes, absolutely changes and he becomes a different person. His hands changes, his lines changes and people start saying, “Oh you must have been this and you must have been that” and then you see, those people who are not Realized, if they see your hand they might depict the spiritual change that has come into it. But still they stick onto certain things and they say some things, you see, that they cannot see. But if it is a Realized soul, he can tell you immediately that at what age you will get your full Realization, what will happen, all sorts of things, if he’s a fully Realized person. But actually, people after realization have no interest left in all these things, so seldom are. I’ve not know anyone who’s a Realized soul and still busy telling hands and some things like that. He has no interest left. But now this coming back to the heart again. On the right hand side we have got Rama’s place. Now Rama was known for His obedience to Swaddha, if you know his story. His father was in Ayodhya. He was ruling there and he had three wives. The third wife had no- I mean he had two children, sons, but she could not see Rama getting the throne. She [Kaikeyi]- was a very nice mother but somebody you see, some lady went and told something to her and she listened to her and she told her husband that, “If you want to give me my boon, the promised boon, you have to make Rama go into the jungle for 14 years, and give the throne to my son Bharata.” And when the Dasharatha heard this, he fainted, he fainted with this request but Rama was there. He heard it and He immediately told her that, "I am going to the forest and I’ve accepted it and your point your son has developed for Me. It’s all right." And that’s how He went, see. Just to obey the order of His father, because father had not even ordered but because he was compelled. He had given his wife two boons, that once you see in the war she saved his life, so he said that whenever you want you can ask for these two boons and they were. She never knew that she would use them in such a funny way. Later on she repented because Bharata came and he refused to accept the throne and he put only Rama’s slippers there and ruled there, and everything was different. But Dasharatha died, because when Rama went away, he just died.So, you see, Rama’s life shows how He was obedient to His parents. He suffered so much. Anyone who has not been respectful to His parents - you see, [End of audio of sound track]You see, if your parents have been unkind, you have every right to tell them that they should not be unkind to you and that you feel hurt, but you have no business to answer them back and you have to be respectful. You have to be respectful because they represent your Primordial Parents. You are not to shout at them and misbehave. You have to be respectful to them.They may be bad people you could not have being born to God, you have really chosen them and you said: “These are going to be my parents.” So if they are your parents, they are there because of certain reasons, because you have been seeking them into your previous lives and that’s how you are there.For example now, you see, you meet some parents and you think they are very good parents to their children. She said, “Oh God, can I get them as my parents?” Oh! You have it. Unless you have it, you know what it is to be their children. Then you start misbehaving with them, that’s not the way. Now only best way is to get the best out of them so that at least next time you do not come with such mistakes of choosing wrong parents and be respectful to them and it comes as a blessing. It is always very blissful. Your parents will be very hard, disciplining time, misunderstanding time, I know it’s very hard. And with the education that you have, and with the understanding you have of the whole world, you think they’re absolutely foolish and babyish and childish and immature. And specially when you have vibrations, you feel even worse about them because they can be quarrelling, addicted to things and they could be quite slaves. But you must understand that you see they have got these troubles. You could have been the same if you had not come to Sahaja Yoga, you could have been much worse. So let us understand them, try to help them out and if you are respectful I tell you, you can be very sure, if you are respectful to them, you can change them.19:50Elders, you can never change them by telling them off, never, that’s not the way to change your elders. By being respectfull, so they think they are to be respected. So they start behaving in a manner that they should be respected. This is, I’m telling you the secret, how to handle your parents is to be extremely respectful to them so they realize: “Oh God, when he respects me so much, how dare I misbehave in their presence?” This is the secret of handling your parents and not by shouting at them. Not that you have to do with children [?] but not with your elders. With your elders you have to create a feeling in them that they are to be respected. Like this, you see, you try, you try this thing with your elders. If you want anybody your elder to be nice to you, try to be extremely respectful and the person starts wondering: “Now what should I do to keep up my respect so I should not loose it?”20:41And what they value the most is the respect. Elders, they value the most is the respect. And if you give them the respect they will not give it up for anything. You can make them do whatever you like if you really show them the respect. And they will fight to keep that by giving up anything that, you see, lures them away from you, to keep the respect.But you see, it happens like that, you find your parents not doing what is right, you start suspecting them, then they think: “There it is, we have lost the respect, what are we going to gain now?” Because you see, these things do not sort of create any, any recording in their brains.We had a case, you see, some boy, he told Me about his father, that he’s been like this and he’s going down with a another woman and this and that, he’s behaving in such a manner, and it’s very wrong of him. I said: “I agree. It’s very wrong of him he should not do it” and so I said, “What are you doing?” He said: “We are hitting him and we are getting angry, we are abusing him.” And I said: “That’s not the way, that’s not the way. When he comes home you try to be very respectful. Try.” It worked. He gave up the woman. Because he cares for the respect.And you know how much is the respect! After all, most of the people if you see in this world, they want respect. If you respect someone, that person is willing to give up anything for that respect. And a father deserves it, because he’s your father and once you accept: “Yes, father, yes, yes,” and in a respectful way, you just try, and you see it will work.You see if you want something, all right, what will you have, just ask, “But can we stop it at that point? Let us talk about something”, you can direct the attention of your father only by being respectful, you just try with your mother and father. You’re not to boss over them, it’s real. I’m telling you the secret. Is not for anything for, you see, to make you change your ways or anything, but I’m just telling you the secret because you have lost the idea of the secretive methods of winning over people and understanding them and managing them, and really you will have your way. Only thing is to respect them. Now you might have some questions to start [inaudible]. Music But Bible is a book which is being compiled by various people at different places at different stages and all this was revealed to them by the Unconscious. All the knowledge that you find in the Bible was revealed to them by the Unconscious and they could not actually understand the full text of it. Whatever they understood or gathered, they put it down. Part of it was lost because it was not immediately recorded and also because the original bible itself was lost. So all explanations, all the things were left behind and that’s how people have a very good loophole to make whatever they feel like about all the great words that are in the Bible. For example, "The word." What is 'the word'? Is it logos or something? What is that? What is it comprising of, what does that mean, how it starts, from where it has come? It is OM. OM comes from three words: UH, OOH, MUH. UH, OOH, MUH. UH stands for the first creation of the left-hand side, what we call the Mahakali power. First only in the world manifestation of the superego took place, so we can say that UH stands for the beginning when only up to the stage when life was not created. OOH stands for the other stage, where now sound is the same. Sound is the same, manifestation is different. The voice is the same, My sound is the same. For example whatever is My sound, you can make it out wherever I speak, this is Mataji's speaking. Maybe the manifestation is different in UH, OOH, MUH. So first UH starts, then comes to OOH, which is Mahasaraswati power. We can say the three notes which we have as, I don’t know in English what you say to the notes but we say, SAH, UH SAH …, the basic three notes. So the second note is that of Mahasaraswati by which the life, Sun life, started working. And the third one is the MUH through which evolution started taking its place. So that is the Mahalakshmi stage. So you have got these three powers working together and that is, in a very short form, we say it is OM. But it is not only that human beings have said it. When you meditate you have seen that OMMMMMMMMMMMM I’m saying, that these three powers have a third, these three sounds, and that’s how this word is created of OM. For a realized soul, OM is a most powerful thing. For example, if you want to protect yourself, the word OM itself can protect; and when these three powers combine as OM we say that this only the child or the Sun God represents in its purest form OM. That’s why in the life of Christ or we can say in the life of a personality that represented the son of God, OM is very important because He embodies that OM within Himself. All these three powers are in Him and in the most innocent form. What I’m trying to say is this way, now you take any other deity, any other deity except for this one. Take any other deity, you will find they have more of this power, of that power. For example if you take say Vishnu who stands for evolution, if you take, say, Brahmadeva, he stands for creation. If you take Mahesha, he stands for the what you call the superego side, even if you take Krishna, He stands for evolution. But when you rise here, then only you find that all these three powers combine here at the Agnya. Till Agnya they are separated. At the Agnya they combine. That’s why it is very important that all these three powers are controlled by Christ and that’s why Jesus Christ is the most important Deity as far as Sahaja Yogis are concerned, because evolution is all right but the complete coordination and protection of a human being is only possible if you have all these three powers in your hands. She got her evolution quite all right, she got her realization quite all right, but then she found that her left side is broken. But supposing even if she’s evolved, what has she to do if the left side is overpowering her? Only Christ can save. Now supposing the right side is overactive. Some people it is, you know that very well. That right side of many people is active when you find their ego is too much temper. For them also, supposing they get evolved, what will happen? They’ll shoot all. But if they’re attacked by their ego, only Christ is the person who is going to give them a balance. And if you see Christ, Christ is nothing but a complete balance. It is a complete balance at a higher position. Have you seen a balance, how it is? Balance if you see which is kept at a higher position that the center. And that’s how it is, He balances, and that’s why He is the Omkara Himself, the embodiment of an Omkara because as we know that He is Ganesha and Ganesha is Omkara personified. In this sound of Omkara, the complete sounds of the worlds are there. All the permutations and combinations, the complete melody of these universes within these three sounds: UH, OOH, MUH. It is based on OM. When the Kundalini moves also, it moves in three ways: UH, OOH, MUH, because in the lower portion it is the UH. In the center portion it is the OOH, and here it is the MUH. Meaning that at the lower portion of the human being we are what was created as dead matter. In the center we are what is creation means creativity, and in the third is the evolutionary. So even we are divided in three ways, is, we are, our upper part is MUH, central part is OOH and the lower part is UH. That is how we are, and when you say OM in a proper way, you find the Kundalini rises. There is no difference at all as far as Bible is concerned and Sahaja Yoga is concerned, as far as Koran is concerned and Gita is concerned. Only the people with very limited vision see the difference. The one who has seen the internal of it cannot see any difference because it’s just the same. Only thing is because of circumstances, because of different methods by which it was manifested, you find a little difference in them, but as far as the matter is concerned and the substance is concerned, it is just the same. I do not find even a word which I cannot explain in the Bible or in the Koran or in the Gita. Everything can be explained very clearly but the problem with people is they cannot think in a unified manner, human beings cannot. They must try to find out the shell or a kind of a pool to stagnate. That’s human nature. They want to become worms all the time. Because they were once, they want to again become worms and amoeba. I think they’ll end up with being. I don’t know what to say. That’s why they cannot see the one universal truth that is flowing into them and that is the reason which has killed religions, all over, because once you know that there is one sound that is passing through all of these beautiful religions, the flowers of universal creation, then there cannot be any problem or fight. And by creating this kind of death for all the religions they have allowed these horrible people to come up and occupy the stage now. So you have them very nice to overcome all our physical, emotional and mental problems. OM works like anything. Now you may say that, "Where is the word OM in the Christian religion?" It is in Amen. Amen is nothing but OM because MUH means a nasal sound and end of a nasal sound and NUH also means nasal sound because in the Arabic language it’s written like a NEE, you see, and NEE with My name you say NOOH. With My name starts NUH, also written with a dot. All of them have got a dot. It’s a dot which shows that it’s a NUH. And in the Sanskrit language, 'dot' means 'NUH'. And that is why it is MUH and NUH. Amen is the same as OM. Now the problem is everything as evolution goes up, changes and that’s why OM was brought to the level of Amen. UH became AH and OOH became MUH, and MUH became NUH. As I told you that Christ came as a human being but He was Ganesha. And the swastika became the cross. The same way, OM is Amen. So after every prayer you are supposed to say 'Amen'. Why not 'Amen'? What does that mean? From there the word OM ends in English language. If you see, even in the word, in the languages, the universality is ringing but we have no eyes to see the universality. We think, “Oh we are Christians. We believe in Christ. We don’t believe in all this nonsense. Because others are all nonsensical.” But how are you related to Christ? How much do you know of Christ? That nobody knows, you see. And that is how all the problems of all the religions are now coming before you, that people just don’t believe in anything. They say that believing in religion is tomfoolery. All this tomfoolery going on. Why was such a lot of money on churches? Why should we have any popes and why should we have any big organizations in the name of God? Why should we have temples? Why should you? I mean, there are, as here, we have everywhere people who are revolting against all these so-called, they say so-called religions. But everything that has come into being in the name of God, in the purity of heart of people has come to them from God Himself. The only problem is, when it is communicated to a human being who is not yet realized. Even realized, how far are they realized? You have seen now, how much Kevin knows and how much you know. So even those are slightly realized, how much are they going to know what He wants to communicate? And that’s why this kind of foolish separation started among human beings and once you disintegrate religion into religions, finished. That was the best way of finishing religion, because they did not give the substance, the importance to the substance. They just tried to give importance to something that is so superficial and that superficiality also was created by these horrid people who just wanted to use Christ as their pocketbook, Krishna as if He belongs to their household. This OM has been used all over the world in a very, very subtle way, and the MUH’s word means Ma, and you know that all of us, for a Mother, say Ma. You go anywhere in the whole world, they understand the word Ma. Nobody has problem as far as the word Ma is concerned, because it ends up into that, that means the whole creation ends up at the feet of the Mother. Even Christianity you can understand that it is the Mother, even is love. When they talk of Mahommed Sahib, they must know that He had to take the help of five women to be there. And they were all one better than the other, all of them were UH OOH MUHs, with him, the powers. They were the powers that He had and that’s how He had to marry so many. None understands what was it. For example his own first wife Hadjia was nobody else but Mahasaraswati. His own daughter was nobody else but Mahalakshmi. So it was all His powers expressed as His wife or sister or daughter, who helped Him in His lifetime, sustaining His powers. Now the same word OM is used by negative forces also. How do they use it? They will give this name to some devil. Normally they do not because this is one of the purest words which cannot be contaminated. Normally they will not, normally they will not. I have not met anyone so far who has got a devil on him with the name 'OM' and nobody so far has given this name to anyone but I have seen people giving names like … These are the names, different: 'Imee' stands for Mahakali, 'Bree' for Mahasaraswati, 'Glee' for Mahalakshmi. I’m sorry, 'Imee' for Mahakali, 'Bree' for Mahalakshmi and 'Glee' for Mahasaraswati. So they will give these names, separately I have seen, to the devils whom they want to put. For example I will take the name of the gentleman, you know him, who calls himself transcendental and all that. He uses these names. Of course, out of them, the first one 'Imee' is now tied up somewhere. Now these 'Imee' 'Bree' 'Glee', though they are the names of the Goddesses, he can use. But he cannot use the name of OM and he cannot use the name of Jesus. He cannot give the name of Shri Ganesh. These names are beyond their … you see because they are terrible. A Mother can forgive, but these people are, they just burn them out, and that’s why they dare not put these names. You will not find, though they will say it like this that, "In the name of Jesus", you see, they might say. They might use the word 'Jesus', you see, "In the name of Jesus I give you this", like that. And they say, "The photograph of Jesus" and all that. And they might even use cross because you can see cross made by these people only. They can put them. But they cannot give the name of Jesus to these devils. They cannot ask you, “Say 'Jesus', 'Jesus'.” They will never say that. But they say … They might say all kinds of OOHMs and everything. But with all of these they can attack someone. Like this they say, “OM Namo Shivaya.” It’s all right, "OM Namoh Shiva." Now 'OM' you have put it. In that it neutralizes. They perhaps do not know it neutralizes a little bit, “OM Namoh Shivaya.” (End of side one) So somebody’s name is 'Namoh Shivaya' and he comes into it. And it means so great, means you bow to Shiva, that aspect of God which is eternal. But they will say that you take the name, “OM Namoh Shivaya” because with that the thing you see, it’s overpowered by Shiva and that’s how they will put 'OM' with that, but they’ll never give a single word as 'OM' at … point, because no devil will own that name, it’s too great. And these are the tricks these people play with the word 'OM' and you should play with the same. Whenever you feel like that, you just say 'OM'. Don’t say anything else. Say 'OM'. For you, every sentence has an end, even if you say, “OM Namoh Shivaya” … But even if you say, “OM Jesus”, it’s enough. Now in a circle. If you take the complete universe into a circle, then you make three portions of that, you get three arches. Say one is UH, another OOH, another MUH. When you try to reconstruct them, then you get UH OOH and MUH. There are three arches, you reconstruct them. First arch is bent like this, UH ; OOH, second one like that, and the third one is MUH. And the dot on that is the center point. Is the center point of the circle, dot on that. Now you have seen how OM is written down and that is how it is, the three arches are described like that. So the whole creation and the center dot, which is the God Himself, all put together makes the OM, and that is how it is being named. I think I have told you. Now first of all when the creation took place, how first the OM was formed? Did I tell you with the parabola, with the drawing? So the first sound, the first sound that started because of the separation, the first separation when it took place between the two identities, God and His Power, that was the time the sound started and that sound is nothing else but OM. That sound will be there and will work out till these two identities become one. Then there is no relativity left and so there is nothing. So people think the world has come out of nothing because there is no relativity. When they become two then there is something. Otherwise they are one and absolute and so there is nothing. When the sound merges or finishes or, as we say, disappears … (inaudible), that is the time when the whole creation merges into one action. So that is the point where one has to go. Now in your own being it happens. First you feel the OM. You feel it sometimes the sound coming. Sometimes you feel some sort of tingling going on, because there are seven sounds which are easily discernible out of this OM. Easily. But there are many, but I am saying at least seven you can easily find out. If you sit down sometimes you might hear some sort of a bell ringing, sometimes you’ll hear as if there is a waterfall and sometimes you’ll hear as if in the night the small crickets are singing. You see all kinds of sounds are coming, you see. You feel that they are there, something is happening, in the night, you see, that sort of a feeling you’ll get. All different types of sounds there are but seven sounds you can easily find out and all of them put together make the OM. So, if you play all of them in a proper manner, in a melodious manner, well we can say in a harmonious manner, then you’ll hear the sound OM. Now when there is a suggestion coming to you from somewhere, you’ll always feel there is a sound coming in your ears, so you’ll be alerted. You are alerted and you just pay attention what ideas are coming and then suddenly you get an idea. Note it down. These are the ideas coming from the unconscious. Just wait, a sound will come. And the sound will suggest that there is a suggestion coming, you note it down. But with the devil, such a thing will never happen. You will never get the sound. You also will get Ad… or something … with maybe little fragments because they carry as fragments, just … But mostly you get horrid smell of, as of burnt leather, or something like rotten egg. Horrid smells you get from such people who are possessed. So this OM is, is a sound that understands, that talks, that organizes, that informs and that is the sound of the Divine love. This is the electrical feeling that you get on your hand. But this is the sound. So we have got also five very subtle type of expression of five elements and those are this fine sound of OM. The vibrations are the electrical. There is a magnet in that sound or in that powered, for a person who is, who is realized. The person who is blessed by God has a magnetic power. That person attracts. That person may not even speak about, but people know about these things. They know that he’s a man who’s realized, there’s something special about him. Immediately you can find it out what he is. It is because of this sound and the magnet. You must have heard that sound when we converted into matter. In the same way, all these things are converted, the sound becomes a magnet, the magnet becomes the vibrations, the vibrations can become the Spirit. So these are all convertible and part and parcel of the same thing, the same energy which is the Divine love, which is love. Love has a sound and love has electricity, it has got magnetism and it has got the power. When all these subtle powers are poured on to any human being, it acts, it acts and people start improving in their health. You must have heard of experiments where people have tried music on some people who are not well and they have been cured. And what happens is that they, the subtler, subtler powers of the sound that we are manifesting, that behind it, the power that is manifesting it, comes into play. Which is a very small thing there. But with you people, when you put your hand, this is the sound of OM which is vibrating. It is so micro, micro waved vibrations, that you cannot see with a magnifying glass, you will not see My finger shaking at all. You’ll say they are very steady but they’re very microwaves. And the microwaves, when they pass into the body of the human beings or anything, there they awaken the microwaves that are sleeping in the body of the human beings or whatever things you use and they start generating the second, what you call, phase as the … of the outside … For example, I’ll tell you how. Now, I put My hand to a person who is sick. Now here I put it and he is sick on this part, he has got some trouble. What happens? These waves, they’re passing to there and whatever are sleeping inside you see, they are sort of regenerated. And they start getting awakened and they start getting strengthened. Now they generate the other manifested ones or we can say the apparent ones, by which the person feel cured. For example we put like this. Now the blood is clotted here, there’s no blood flow. You put your vibrations there. What happens, that the blood clot starts dissolving because the dissolution power of the blood is with the Vitamin K. And the Vitamin K is excited because these vibrations passing through that. And the Vitamin K is excited there later on by the microwaves which are receding and that’s how it works. But you cannot see that. They just work. They are abrusha(?). They are invisible. But they are there. To record them is impossible. Because human beings do not have any such instruments. Now at least, thank God, the scientists have accepted that we haven’t got ears to record everything that is in the sound. So, in the same way, they haven’t got records to record the vibrations of these microwaves. Now, when you people say OM, realized people, when you say OM, the sound waves of OM, you just try on a person who is, just now you are having some pain there. All right. Now just now you put your hand there and say OM. Try it (Music) Talk from: https://www.amruta.org/1979/03/11/talk-about-gandhi-hindi-part-1979/ I want to first tell you about My meeting and why Gandhi is so important. Perhaps you have never realized what a tremendous instrument Gandhiji was. At the age of seven years he just picked Me up from My family and I stayed with him very, very close, extremely close, and he used to call Me as Nepali. That was My name. And everybody knew Me by that name. After 40 years, or say 45 years or so, suddenly I met … in the wedding of his own son. And I went to him. I saw immediately he recognized Me. He said, “What, Nepali, how are you here?” And just tears started rolling down My eyes. That was Gandhiji. He was a tremendous hard master also and I always used to say that, "You can be hard but how can you be hard with all these people?" He would make us get up at 4 o’clock. It was very easy for Me to get up at four because you see, My body had no habits. I can get up any time and sleep any time. But I speak for others ... get up at four o’clock, and they had to clean their temples, they had to even, they sometimes had to clean, clean the bathrooms and the lavatories and everything with their own hands. He was a tremendous hard master but an extremely loving and compassionate person. He, as just now, as everyone has said, he definitely always used to talk to Me in a way as if I was a grandmother, you see, and he used to discuss things with Me, most surprising to all others in a way, and I was big and wiser to everyone and he would make Me say(?). And he said that guidance can be heard better from some children than from the older people. Even when I again went to Gamlasha (?) this time, My husband told Me the same thing, “Do You remember he used to say so.” I said, “I remember that.” But somehow he had recognized Me and he knew about Me, you see by … who had recognized Me and somehow or other, by which we have not been able to know, by which there were some people … (large section inaudible) Somewhere near there … (?) there were people who were absolutely standing an areas of … (?). They would not tolerate anything that was wrong for themselves. First thing they had was to keep themselves like that, in dharma. And Gandhiji used to really … (?) and ask us … (large section inaudible). He was a tremendous personality. And the thing that I have learnt from him, I should say, was one of the things which I could never have understood otherwise, is a sense of public money. Actually I have no sense of money at all, I am so… (?). I do not know what is bank, I do not know how to cash a check. I still, you know, I mean, I must have cashed lots of checks but I don’t know how to do it. Even today if you want to teach Me I just can’t learn. I am no good for that. But I’ve seen Gandhiji’s sense of public money. He was so keen, so keen and so sharp that anybody who has lived with him, I cannot understand how can they take to this kind of cheap dealing with public money. Once we had a meeting of all the big leaders and they came to Nandi ashram where we all girls were staying and some boys were there, looking after them, giving them pamphlets and things, and suddenly Gandhiji realized that it is very late and they should have their lunch in the ashram itself. So he said that, “Why not have your lunch here?” They said, “All right, if you think you will have, all right.” So he got up, he always had … [keys?] with him because … was not there. So he came down and he told us, “Let us weigh food for them and take it out.” So then we had to weigh according to the number of people who were there. He said, "I am a 'bakhta pavya'. You must properly weigh everything and take it out." And then he took about 15 minutes to do all that. Then again he took the piece, put it back and went on with his work. I think it was Maulana Azad or someone who was there who said, “Babu I never give, we never mean that you’ll be put to so much trouble for our sakes. We could have gone back a little later and had … .” He said, “Trouble, what trouble? No.” "The way you got up and had to take away (?),you are so cautious and careful about it." You know the word he said you know, “This is the blood of my people. I cannot allow it to be wasted or in any way spilled.” Just imagine he said, “Nibhani dani mira droga” I mean I cannot forget his sense of understanding. And even I have seen Mr. Shastri do the same. I mean, there was nothing like a double standard. On the contrary, the closer you get to them, you respected them much more, because they are so clean and so clean, and they thought with that they’d maintain that cleanliness and that standard. We are really very lucky to have such great people born in this country of ours. Only the trouble is that we have forgotten what great contribution they have done, that Gandhiji was one who came on this earth to save us from this fallen domination. In such a unique manner he laid down the basis for Sahaja Yoga. Actually in every way he laid down. For example if you see his ideas, economic ideas, are absolutely in tune with Sahaja. Now after the Industrial Revolution and Industrial Revolution as they call it in the west, people have gone so far in creating aggressive economy that they are astounded the way now things are working out in those countries. The aggression that started with the industry, the machinery, is now directed towards the human beings themselves. In England, you’ll be amazed, which is the soberest country among all others. In England, every week two children are killed by their parents is the statistics. Can you imagine? Good children. They are not illegitimate children. No family is safe from this aggression. The aggression is now towards oneself, is absolutely self-destructive. The machinery, the child that started creating things, also made human beings machines, and these machines had no feelings within them and the feelings started drying up and drying up to such an extent that human beings have become feelingsless. They have no emotions left. I don’t know if Gandhiji could have sensed it to that extent because you know, it is difficult for a saint to see the forces of evil, how far they can harm. It’s a very difficult thing. He did see something of it, so he was warning that, "Don’t go in for heavy industries. Heavy industries are very dangerous." And he threw out … that tried to keep… place in industries. With all this advancement in the West, you’ll be surprised that the condition is such that you cannot get anything fresh. The food that you get is nothing. But God knows what kind of a chemistry they have adopted, that all the time you feel you are eating chemicals. You do not feel you are eating any food. If you talk to people, you feel they are stumped/stunned(?), they are shocked and afraid of each other. There is no love, there is no trust, there is no give and take. It’s such a ridiculously absurd society that has been created, that it is important for us, so called developing countries, to look where have they fallen, to what ditches they have gone and stand by and see for yourself that though you are trying to use science and use these industrial achievements of other countries as a tool to our advancement, you should know that they can completely destroy us as they have destroyed those people. The destruction is not from outside so much. Of course it is in a way, the way we have created Hiroshima and all that, but the destruction is from within and that destruction is settling in such a big way that it’s impossible now to stop. Only way is to turn the whole thing into a new dimension by which you can control it and that is only possible through Sahaja Yoga. Thank God, My husband was elected and I went to London, that we have now a base. Bajanawi (?) you’ll be amazed, it is all based on the different chakras, one after another. All that Bajanawi will start from one to another. Is just like how we do it for our Kundalini awakening. It is based one after another, from one chakra to another chakra, to another chakra, to another chakra, though he has not mentioned anything else. Apart from that, we in Sahaja Yoga, we have to take account of all the incarnations, of all the prophets, of all the great primordial masters, who came on this earth and adjust accordingly the different movements of the Kundalini. Because according to Sahaja Yoga all these incarnations are within us and they help us and we have to awaken them. Same thing Gandhiji has done is to tell us that we have to look around, we have to know Bible, we have to know Gita, we have to know all these great scriptures and great people and integrate. Of course, that part is left to Me, is the actualization of what he wanted to do. Though he definitely had prepared the base economically, then political base also, he never believed in aggression. Never. And he said that sharing should be brought. He always believed even capitalism should be conquered through enlightenment. Though he was so busy with this emergency job of saving the whole nation, that he could not pay much attention to the subtler side of Sahaja Yoga, which I call 'awakening of the Kundalini' or 'Self realization'. But he always talked of, he always said about it. Most surprising he’s the only one I have seen so far who was not doing Self realization but was so close to it and could see clearly that Self realization is the only way for emancipation of human beings. His values and his styles were so correct. As a mother also, I was a child but I was a mother throughout and I would always feel that Gandhiji was little too strict and I used to say that, “You are too strict, I just can’t bear it” and tears used to come into My eyes. I said, “This is a bit too much.” He said, “No. We are in emergency. We have to be disciplined. We have to be disciplined and we have to tell them.” So once I told him, “Babu, if you want to discipline people, why not give them discipline from within?” He said, “How to get to their place?” I said, “It is very easy. You can do it.” He said, “Not just now. Not just now. First of all, let us be free. If you are not free, what can we enjoy? We cannot talk about it. People will say that we are not even free. How can we talk of freedom of Spirit? We should be free from the foreign domination.” I would say in emergency supposing we use a boat to cross over, then we do not carry the boat on our heads but we do carry the experiences of our crossing and those experiences are very great. And the greatness about Gandhiji was that he created great only by his personal character and by his dynamic, absolutely dynamic leadership. And the area when this has happened, I have seen those people were absolutely regenerated. You cannot believe how sacrificing they were. I have seen My own father, that today I think he was a legendary man, if I tell you how great he was. I mean, every way, I cannot find a single fault in his life as a leader. But today it’s very different and very sad that those who were supposed to be Gandhiji’s people, followers... The other day I talked to somebody that, "Why not start with basic education because we don’t live in cities. Why should we have this education? It doesn’t go to the villages." So he said, “That’s very different, it’s very different proposition” and all that. I was amazed, he was a Gandhini, how could he talk like that? It is not at all difficult to adopt Gandiji’s ways in India. As Gregoire told you, I have been to China and Mao has definitely followed Gandhiji. He has copied everything that Gandhiji has done. I was amazed because when I was there I saw even ………… being practiced by him. All the things that Gandhiji thought of, he has done and he has improved China. And today China is like a tiger. People are afraid. You see, this tiger has now awakened. Now what is it going to do? It has got its own power. And this is what Gandhiji had dreamt. Imagine that Mao should use it and why not our people? I don’t know. I should blame the bureaucrats or the congressmen or the politicians who never understood that Gandhiji was the most practical man and now Sahaja Yoga I’m sure will re-establish his ways. Definitely it has to be established. Too much of asking, too much of elaborations, too much of materialism makes you a slave of material. You’ll be amazed, we are supposed to be poor people. We are supposed to but we’re are not. In London or in America, American people are such miserly people that I’m absolutely shocked. Absolutely shockingly miserly. To spend five rupees for us is nothing, for somebody who comes to our house or something, but Americans are such miserly people, even if they have to spend one rupee they’ll think ten times. Same in England I find. And same in other places. Terribly, miserly calculating people. I have known some people, if you go to their house they’ll count heads and give you sandwiches accordingly. Horrid! And they behave in such a ridiculous manner. All the time they are thinking about money, how to make this money, how to make that money, how to keep it. You cannot imagine, this affluence so called has made them so poor. Absolutely absurd. I always felt that through these material gains they might become sort of satisfied people and would take to less materialism. But it’s not so. It’s just the opposite. People have taken to materialism as a religion and it is so maddening, so maddening that you can’t take it. You are just absolutely by the materialistic ideas you have, the values (?). It is such a mad world that if you stay there, then only you realize how maddening they are. So as a result, these people that are here, you can see them, they revolt. They could not bear it any more. They say, “We’ll get out of it.” But still the clutches of materialism are so great that they have to live with them and they find it very difficult. Only through Sahaja Yoga they have been able to establish themselves and steady themselves. I would say these are the great pioneers who will change the whole of the West. They are the foundations of tomorrow’s beautiful West, otherwise West is now a wasteland, nothing but a wasteland I can tell you. I hope these people will take to Sahaja Yoga in the right earnest (?) and will spread the message of Sahaja Yoga and will create that atmosphere as just now Dr. ………. was saying, the beautifying, the transforming atmosphere. In all these Western countries, run about, work it out and bring the dawn of a new world in which we all live together as human beings and as real brothers and sisters. Sahaja Yoga has done a great service to humanity and it has given you antar yoga within yourself. It has given you antar yoga between the Sahaja yogis. And it is so great that some of these people have been in India many a times. They have never been able to come close to Indians because all the Indians, those whom they met, were all westernized without ………. . They had the same ideas, the same philosophy, the same everything, and they were, they were enamored by the West and they were just praising the western culture and western way. But the first time they say, when they have come now, they went to Indian religious and the way they have come and embraced all these villagers and the way they danced together and the way they enjoyed, this is the real antar yoga, the real love between all of them, the real enjoyment and the real oneness that one feels. It is not just talking or saying of ideal things that, "We are brothers and sisters" and you are listening that you are all brothers and sisters, and nothing which is you just become, is the actualization: you cannot just help it helping another person. For example now, if I am sitting here and if I say that I have cured, I am doing no good. I am not doing it for any of you, I am doing it because you are part and parcel of My whole (?). I have to jolly well cure you if I want to feel all. I can feel you within Myself. This is the actualization of collective consciousness. And once that happens, you just start feeling the oneness. And today I am going to talk about collective consciousness to you through Sahaja Yoga. How we get it, it’s an actualization, not brainwashing or lecturing. This is the difference between the way people have been talking, we talk before it happens. But now the time has come, it is to happen.

2/3/1977

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis

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Talk to Yogis (English/Hindi) [English transcript] I will be giving you the information about Kundalini. At the same time, the Kundalini would be rising. You won’t feel the rising of the Kundalini. So please put your hands like this. The hands are asking for realization, so in the hands, there should be a feeling, I mean you must ask, the hands should be placed in such a manner that you are asking- Straight like this not like that and on your laps. [Hindi translation] Keep hands towards me. Humans should ponder, why has Paramatma made us? Is there a purpose for our life or God has made us just like that from amoeba to human? After taking so much trouble for so many yugas, after passing through so many vagaries, Paramatma has made a beautiful handiwork of human beings, He must have done this for some reason. Maybe he (human) has not reached that state where he can know this- why has this handiwork been made? Maybe he has not understood why he has been created. But there definitely must be some or other reason why humans have been made from amoeba. If there is a reason, it is absolutely necessary for the human to find it out. When he cannot find it out, cannot know it, it is quite natural for him to be upset. It is natural that he is worried, upset and nervous. He does not know what is causing this nervousness. Why is he so busy and moving about with anger? Sahaja Yoga is the answer to this question. Sahaja- Saha means with you, ja means born. The right which was born with you to entitle you to yoga, to become one with Paramatma, that is called Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga was there when he was primitive and when he was an amoeba. And when he became four-legged it was there, when he became two-legged it was there, when he became human then also it was there. The purpose of today’s Sahaja Yoga is to show the human, the meaning of his life, the ultimate goal. Research has been carried out in India from time immemorial by the sages and they found out many things which are inside us through meditation. In the time of Parashuram (sixth incarnation of Lord Vishnu), when he was born, people tried to find an answer in the jungles. Keeping away from the world, observing gross celibacy, hiding in a small cave, they have done penance for many years. And after that, they found the subtle, hidden secrets inside the human. From their finding, very few people could benefit. Because this job was very subtle and doing this being in society was difficult. These people had described these subtle things in many ways in the scriptures and books. But in kali yuga, in these modern times, now the time has come which we can call the spring. Like on a tree in the beginning only a few flowers bloom, only a few fruits are present. This keeps happening for many years. When the spring arrives subsequently many flowers bloom, and many flowers bloom and suddenly they turn into fruits. Easily their fruition happens. How it happens, why it happens nobody knows. Today they are all flowers and tomorrow they will turn into fruits. Today in the same way in this kali yuga, spring has arrived. And your right to know who you are, what does your existence mean and why you have come into this world. Know this thing. This is your own wealth. Like a lamp is fully readied, oil is poured in it and the wick is placed and during the festival day of Diwali, they are placed in one line. Then with one lighted lamp, you can light many lamps. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga is an extremely simple, natural method. And human should not wonder why it is so simple. In matters of religion, human always thinks in the opposite way. Earlier if you had to go to Kasi you had to walk for three to four months. But today if you have to go to Kasi, you are here in the morning and by evening you can reach Kasi. Why does not a human think, we hear, we have to gather a lot of articles, we have to do tough penance, only then we may reach. If in the matter of Sahaja Yoga also if some special arrangement has been made, why should there be so much discussion. If you are going to get something important and if you are going to definitely benefit from it, why should you doubt it so much? And also you should doubt only in cases where there is some give and take. Or if something is demanded. Or if someone is saying for this you have to do a three-year course, you have to come every day, you have to give this much fee, or you have to die of hunger. Or if we ask you to stand on your head. We don’t say all these things. Then why should doubt and think- how can this happen? It can happen. In this hall, there are at least 50% of people who have experienced this. And it should happen to you also. But human’s thinking goes along these lines. Now, in reality, is such an arrangement present inside us? Is there such a germ inside us, like it is present in all seeds and as a result of which you get your rebirth. Gyaneshwar, Janak, Nanak, Kabir Das Ji, Yog Vashist, Markandeya Ji, and above all Adi Shankaracharya Ji, have described many times about Kundalini. If you read Devi Mahatmyam or Devi Sahasranam, in the description it is written about where all She is present, on what chakras She is present, through which path She raises, etc. We have become English and for us, this appears Greek and Latin to us and we don’t know anything about our own things. Some mantras are being recited in the house, we listen and we give ten or fifteen rupees to the pandit and that is the end of it. He has recited the mantras and gone and the puja is over, all the ceremony is over and we have pleased Devi. Because of this thought process, we do not identify with any of our religion’s thoughts. In the western countries where people have progressed a lot, they have earned a lot of power and fortune, who have collections of all types of gadgets, whatever they could amass on the material front, they have done it. Now they turn back and say, the joy we were looking for, where have we lost it? We have not obtained that joy. Let us leave aside all these- material things, what for- there is no joy. This is some maze. We are lost in this, this is some illusion, let us leave it. Their children have left it. They have given their homes and all they are wearing the clothes of sanyasis and have started consuming ganja-marijuana. Is this proper? You notice thousands loiter here, they are all sadhus. They are seeking Paramatma. They also consume ganja and think that in that process they can reach God. In such times Sahaja Yoga became available. You have to seek it inside not outside. Many times reputed poets have said Nanak was the incarnation of Raja Janak and Nanak said,’ kahe re vana khojan jayi, sada nivasi sada alepa tohe sang samaye’, he is saying it is all built-in you, why are you going out. Inside you it is in Atma Swaroop, why are you looking for it outside? What is that thing? Who is it? How is it? I will tell you all about it. Sahaja Yogis should not come late. People’s attention gets disturbed. Sir, You look here, have you not seen women? Put your attention here for a minute. I am telling you to seek yourself. It is a matter of taking your attention to you. If you take your attention here and there, how can I pull your attention inwards? Put your attention here for some time. Be calm, because this is very subtle. This is extremely subtle and attained with absolute devotion. Inside our body there is an arrangement called an autonomous nervous system- we call it a self-propelled system. This system is present in three ways. Doctors know it by the names of the right and left sympathetic nervous system and parasympathetic nervous system. According to Sahaja Yoga Shastra, all these three systems are made of matter, appearing outside as gross. The driving system for these is located in the spine as I am showing here by means of these three lines. You see it here. These are the three nadis. Among these, one is called Ida, the other is called Pingla and the central one is called Sushumna. These three nadis are present or not, whether these are inside our body are not, whether these are active in the subtle form are not, because you can see the sympathetic and parasympathetic. These subtle nadis you can’t see. They can only manifest in Sahaja Yoga. But to see anything subtle, first, you have to become subtle. This is indisputable. Without becoming subtle how will you see, know a subtle thing? Even then you have eyes and you are at the human level, I can show you the pulsation of Kundalini. You can see the movement of Kundalini. You can see the rising of Kundalini if you are a human whether you are realised or not. In our body the subtle system which is made in us, these three powers dwell in us. The power which is on the right side and crosses over to the left side is called Mahakali Shakti. Now you will find this name strange, how is Shri Mataji calling it Mahakali. The English could not discover it, how can I tell the English name? This is the Mahakali power because of which the whole world exists. This is responsible for the rhythm in the world, an apocalypse happens. Like we are alive because of our heart, when the heart stops we can die. This Shakti nourishes your heart. Its name is Mahakali Shakti. It is our emotional side which the English call Psyche. This is activated by the left side sympathetic nervous system. Doctors will not agree with this. They do not know the difference between the right and the left. Even the doctor and psychologist don’t agree with each other. I do not have any quarrel with them. But they have their differences. The psychologist will not be able to convince the doctor and the doctor will not be able to convince the psychologist. A human is psychology, psyche and the body, and the emotion and the mind also. He is everything. Sahaja Yoga looks at the human as complete and analyses, it does not analyse each differently as done in science. But on every aspect of science, it fits in properly. The nadi on the left-hand side, we call it Mahakali Shakti. The position of a human is governed by this power. The position of the entire world is also governed by this power. If this position is not present if this power is not present, his position can’t be made, he can’t exist, the whole world can’t exist. But you take it that it is the emotional side of Paramatma. It is not active, it is a state. When it is activated in us, whatever is dead, whatever thoughts come, rise and perish, whatever past is there it is operated by this. It keeps storing it. All the conditioning in us is stored by this, recorded by this. We consider this as Mahakali Shakti. And the other power which passes through the left and comes to the right, we call that Mahasaraswati shakti. All our work gets done through Mahasaraswati shakti. Creation, thinking, movement of limbs and whatever work we do for the future and whatever planning we do, whatever thinking we do for the future, all that happens with the right-hand side power which we call Mahasaraswati shakti. The power which is in the center is called Mahalaxmi shakti. Our growth happens because of this power. Our evolution takes place and today we have become human from amoeba only because of this power. The present-day human form is also because of this power. The power establishes its particular dharm-attribute in each material. When I say, do not be upset. Dharm means its innate nature. Like the nature of gold, it doesn’t get spoiled. It is untarnishable. Carbon has a valency of four. Every molecule and atom has its nature. A scorpion is like a scorpion. A snake is like a snake. Likewise human behaves like a human. Human dharma is also established by this power. Only because his dharma is established he has reached his present state. There are different qualities of humans that keep coming and going and when the ten dharmas are established in him, he get created. Because of this Mahalaxmi Shakti, he can reach his mandated destination – evolutionary power. This is your today’s present, what you are now, that power. In this manner, all the three times past, future and present exist inside you at this very moment. This way the three powers exist in a human and only because of these three powers he has reached his present state. Now as we know this mike is made or any other machine is made, we do not understand its use till we take out the coil from inside and connect to the mains, its use is not evident. In the same way, until the human is connected to the mains, till such time there can be no purpose for his existence. After that there is only one purpose for this, mike, my voice has to flow through this, it becomes a hollow thing. This instrument has been made so that it can carry my voice. Later we realise that we also become a hollow thing and through us, that power is transmitted from inside us and starts flowing. Inside this becomes Chaitanya ki Lahren-waves of enlightenment and flow through our hands, which we believe is the all-pervading power of the divine and that is the power of love which is flowing beyond these three powers, taking with it all the powers and flowing as one; it has all the three Shaktis. If we look at this picture of Paramtma’s , if we are the reflection of Paramatma, then these three powers are operational in Paramatma. And as if we are tiny cells made inside Him. Like if this is a macrocosm, we are a microcosm. This way we are sitting inside Him like Him. We have to just get awakened for the all-pervading Paramatma’s shakti to flow through us. Until this happens you can’t get the joy. Until you do not get the movement, you cannot reach your life’s goal. You may possess whatever material thing of this world, still you will not get happiness. You will not be joyful. You are watching in front of you, I have shown you many chakras and Kundalini rises only after passing through these chakras. Now I will describe the seven chakras which are inside this. Don’t keep doubting whether they are there or not or Mataji is just talking like that. Even if you are a scientist, you must have an open mind. I am placing before you a hypothesis. You accept, you look at it. If it happens, if it is good, if it manifests, then you accept it. These seven subtle chakras inside us can definitely be seen from outside and the doctors call them plexus. Simultaneously, I will also tell their names which are present in their subtle manifestation in the form of plexus, a gross matter, which can be seen. You can understand that there are some arrangements inside us over which we have no control. Like your heart, it is working on its own. Your stomach’s movement is happening by itself. Your breathing is happening on its own. There are many tasks which are happening by themselves. Out of these, you can increase your heart rate. If you start running, your heart rate can go up. But it comes down by itself, you can’t reduce it. You can increase your breathing rate but can’t reduce it. The process of reduction is also self-propelled. One is which you can increase, bring into use in an emergency, which you can grab, that is the sympathetic nervous system. There is another over which you have no control that is the parasympathetic nervous system. And as I said, the sympathetic nervous system is propelled by Ida and Pingala nadis and the Parasympathetic nervous system in the center is propelled by the Sushumna nadi. There are some centers inside us that are sustained by these three nadis. In these centers, many deities are seated. Many will say, Mataji don’t talk about deities, this is not scientific. But can people of science answer all the questions? If you ask a simple question, ask a doctor. If any foreign thing is introduced in our body, it is thrown out by the body immediately. It makes all efforts to throw it out of the body. But when a mother has a baby in her womb that is not thrown out. It is groomed, taken care of, and nourished. Who does this? Who takes this decision? Where does this discretion come from? Does anybody think about this? How does this happen? When a baby comes into a mother’s womb, the grooming starts instead of throwing that out. There are so many questions like this and doctors can’t give a reply to any of these questions. There are two chemicals by the name acetylcholine and adrenaline and when they enter our body or when they operate in our body their action is different. Like when it has to relax, i.e. augment, it cuts down. Doctors say we can’t explain the action mode of these. In such matters, they give a stereotyped reply, ‘We can’t explain it’. Alright, their reply is also true. In this there is an important truth, at least they accept it. Because their search is from outside, in the dark when you go somewhere, you can’t see the totality, you get one thing, then another, etc. they can’t be connected. When you take one thing and keep on analysing it, you reach a point where you forget the whole thing. You know that one doctor examines one eye and another doctor examines the other eye. If you have to get your whole body examined, you have to pay at least 60 doctors. When a human is one and his art, his music, his poetry where do they come from? No one has any idea about it. Because when a man searches from outside this is what happens. But one thing is possible; if in this dark room there is illuminated suddenly, everything can be known at once. This is our Sahaja Yoga. Inside us is placed at the bottom part in a triangular bone- can you see here?- in three and a half coils, a Shakti called Kundalini. I have already told you whether it is there or not, I will show it. This power is in a dormant state. It will be in a dormant state till an authorised person comes before it. The authorised person will very rarely be there, almost non-existent. I have not found anyone at least since my birth, in this janma. There are some people in this world whom I can say are realised, but no one is around, they are in jungles. Very few. Almost negligible-may be one or two. When someone comes in, it will manifest, because it is Chaitanya, awareness. This thinks, understands, organises. We cannot think of a power that thinks, understands and coordinates and loves. We cannot understand any such power. But if we can do all these there must be some or other source. After all, how do we do all these works? What is not present in the tree, how can it be there in the fruit? There must be a source for this, it must be located somewhere, which we love, think, and does all works. A small trace of that power flows through you and everyone in the Sushumna nadi and is seated in these three and a half coils- there are math and shastra in this also- and there is a beautiful arrangement inside. And it remains dormant. Many claim that we can awaken Kundalini. I come across many. Many have also written books. If you come here after reading those books, you will be jittery, ‘Mataji Kundalini is a frightening thing’. If it is your mother, can your mother be frightening? The entire world can be frightening, but not a mother. She is your mother and is born with you in all your lives. The mother who gave you birth may change, but she will not change. The kundalini moves with you, stays with you, it stays inside you, she knows you, she knows your mistakes, she knows your good deeds, she is familiar with your deeds. Such an entity, can it harm you? How can it? But one who is not authorised only can talk ill. If you see below Kundalini, there is a center with four petals. Where Kundalini is seated, it is called Mooladhar, because the base of the origin is located there; It is its residence. Placed outside this residence, much below is a center called Mooladhara Chakra. There is a big difference between Mooladhar and Mooladhara chakra. Mooladhara chakra is below and Mooldhar is above. In Mooladhar, your mother kundalini is seated in the Gouri shakti form. Gouri is taking a bath and below Ganesha is protecting Her. In this first center, Shri Ganesha dwells. Someone may say how is Shri Ganesha coming into the picture. Whether Shri Ganesha is there or not we will see later. Shri Ganesha is a symbolic form. He is symbolic of an eternal child. Shri Ganesha is an eternal child. We have many symbolisms in us, this the psychologists believe. They have worked hard on this. They say there is an all-pervading universal unconscious, which is inside us in a symbolic form and gives us dreams. They didn’t have the power of meditation, otherwise, they would have seen it. But if one can have the power to go into meditation, he can see it; the existence of Shri Ganesha at this place. Whether it is true or not I Will show you as we proceed in the Kundalini Yoga. All those who are here have experienced it. You have not. You will also experience it. Shri Ganesha has his place here. Shri Ganesha is seated in this chakra because when you want Kundalini to be awakened, your Maa Gouri to be awakened, you should have towards your mother the innocence of a child, you should have the same innocence towards sex. Because Shri Ganesha who is sitting on the four-petalled chakra, sex is also controlled from this chakra. There is no other way for going towards Paramatma, absolutely not. If someone trespasses into this path Shri Ganesha gets angry; Can you have sex with your mother? Those who are talking about sex this way, they are teaching this - you can have sex with your mother. A Hindustani (Indian) can easily understand this; there can be no greater misdeed ,sin, curse than this. In the Mooladhara chakra, Shri Ganesha is protecting His mother’s modesty. These days lots of people go around claiming to be Krishna Ji and they are propagating dirty ideas like sublimate your sex. You are already sublimated, note it. Mooladhara chakra is below and Kundalini is seated above. Only because you indulge in such activities, you feel the heat inside you which is due to Shri Ganesha’s anger. He gets angry with you and only because of his anger Kundalini gets lightened. Kundalini does do anything, It is stationed at its place. Kundalini does not move. It is because of Shri Ganesha’s anger, beyond Kundalini-there being no role of Kundalini- the sympathetic nervous system is damaged and you will have many types of discomforts inside you. Some will get blisters all over. I have seen it. I have to treat those who are affected by this. Blisters appear all over the body. Such is the anger of Shri Ganesha. Many have problems with their hands and legs. Some people start shouting, some start screaming. Some undress themselves. Some get intoxicated. Some start murmuring, some start seeing light. All kinds of things happen. I went to a place called Kolhapur. A person was sitting with his legs towards me. People told him, you should not sit with your legs facing Shri Mataji. He said, ’Let me sit like this, otherwise I will jump like a frog’. I asked why do you jump like a frog? He said,’ My guru has raised my Kundalini and that is why I jump like a frog’. Do not raise Kundalini by mere talk. What more disrespect can be shown towards something Which is there for your benefit, your happiness, your joy than this. There should be no such symptoms. Yes, if your health is not okay, maybe your Kundalini raises a little bit and goes to the place where there is a problem and stops there. It will stay there for one or two days. It may so happen that you have some heat in the body. There was a person who had a complaint, and he had his thumb shaking like this, not much. Because you should have Indications also. When this Kundalini is awakened, it passes through six chakras because the seventh one, Mooladhara chakra is at the bottom and it can’t be pierced. That is why we call shat chakra-six chakras- See how real this is, the Mooladhara chakra can’t be pierced. That is why we should not talk about it when referring to the Kundalini. Yes, if you are an impure person and licentious, if you have not cared for your Ganesh Ji even a little bit, if you have spent your life foolishly, then surely a vacuum will form inside you and whenever the Kundalini tries to ascend, it slides down immediately. This can happen. That is another matter. If you have not cared for Ganesh Ji, this can happen. But in Sahaja Yoga this is forgiven, I have seen. Even if you were like this before, you are forgiven. It is very important that when you are in front of Paramatma and you desire His blessings, you check your purity. Do I have purity? You understand the difference between a mother and a sister or not. It is very important. When Mooladhar chakra deteriorates, one gets many problems related to sex. You can have problems such as constipation etc. because this chakra is just below the anus. Just above this chakra in the center of stomach, you will see what we call the Nabhi chakra. This is also called Manipura chakra- Nabhi chakra or Manipura chakra. Manipura chakra is behind the Nabhi- navel in the spine in this place (the chart is shown). And the plexus which is operated by this chakra is called solar plexus. The chakra is in the spine but the plexus is in the front. It is located outside the spine and this is gross. The subtle chakra is inside the spine and is called the medulla oblongata. It is in the medulla oblongata in the spine. The solar plexus operates all the organs in the stomach. You will see another chakra that comes out of this chakra and moves all around. This is called Swadishthan chakra. This chakra has six petals. Shri Brahmadev dwells here and Shri Saraswati is his shakti. In the Nabhi chakra dwells Shri Vishnu and Laxmiji is his shakti. If someone is very poor, it is possible his Nabhi chakra is impaired. Nabhi chakra of our country is impaired. That is why there is so much poverty here. You do lots of pujas on Laxmiji, do anything, you will not gain. Till such time your Nabhi chakra is not alright, your condition will not be good. But Laxmiji does not mean money. Listen carefully. Today I will tell you about these two chakras and make you meditate and tomorrow I will tell the rest. I will tell only about Laxmi Ji and Saraswatiji. This is not imagination, it is real, actual. Because Nabhi chakra establishes righteousness in us. There are ten dharmas of humans. They should be there. If one is unable to follow all of them, he is not useful for Sahaja Yoga. His dharmas have to be bound. He can’t be awakened. These are the ten dharmas. These should be inside us, as a minimum. Only when he has these he can go beyond dharma. Laxmiji is in feminine form. It means She should have a mother’s heart, who has money. One can be called Laxmipati only when he is extremely good-hearted and who has a motherly instinct. Secondly, Laxmiji is standing on a lotus, light. That means that a Laxmipati should be very light about himself, So much simplicity that he can stand even on a lotus. I observe that if someone has a little money, he becomes so arrogant. He will tell me, ‘Look Mataji, I want to get realisation but I can’t come to that hall and be among those people, You have to come to my house’. I said why is it because you have more money? And you can’t sit with others? Such a person shouldn’t have even a wee bit of arrogance, then only he is a Laxmipati. If he has arrogance because of money, then he is ruined. Then how is he rich? One who is actually rich, he has everything of his own, he is never arrogant of anything. Only when he has knocked it from others, he will become arrogant. Or he lacks something that is why he is arrogant. If he has everything he is never arrogant. Do we go around showing arrogance that we have noses, eyes, ears? Laxmiji has pink coloured lotuses in her both hands. These pink lotuses are fully bloomed. Like that Laxmipati should have an open heart like these lotuses. He should be an open-hearted man. If someone comes, he starts barking, how can he be Laxmipati? He is a dog then; He can’t be a Laxmipati. Like a lotus whose fragrance is spread in the whole world, people will know that there lives Laxmipati here and they bow to him.. Laxmi has all over this man. He is a moneyed man, he can’t be Laxmipati. Behind his back they will say he is a drunkard, he is that, etc,.He is a black marketer and so on. No one praises him. He has no grace. There is no beauty. There are some people like that. Where I was born there was a person. He was called Laxminarayan, a very rich man. You can call him Laxmipati. Extremely unassuming, very simple, His nature was like that of a child. I have seen many but very few are like him. And their house should be like a lotus, beautiful, rose-like, in which there should be rose shade in the heart, pull of the heart, people accept him, people should visit that house. Coral like creature also finds a place in the lotus. And make them feel comfortable and make them rest and they feel cozy. The heart should be soft. Have you seen anyone like that? If you come across one, please let me know. Very difficult. They got money and became donkeys. If not anything, they will drink or gamble. What kind of nature is that? Once he makes money his wisdom takes a beating, his intellect is worse than that of a horse. I am surprised when I think of it. If he can’t get a good sense from money, what is the use of such money? Only such money is of value which gives good sense to the human. His righteousness is awakened. Paramatma gives you more money for you to take up religious works. The world is blessed. I will tell you that there is a close relationship between religion and money, whether you believe it or not. Yesterday I told you that I went to someone’s house and they said you must definitely come here, there is important work here. They are very rich people etc.I said I don’t understand money, I will go. They said, ‘It is in your way’. As soon I stepped in I said this house is cursed, you may be rich or whatever. They said how? I said it is cursed. When I saw their young two adolescent children and they were seated in the chairs all the time, legs and hands spread like this. They are like this from the time they are born. What do you do with that money? You move around on an elephant. Your two children are like this. Outside the house itself, I could feel that this house is cursed. You are cursed with money, your earning, your spending has no religion involved. In the same way, many houses have been cursed. Someone’s wife has gone mad, some had this problem, some had some other problem. Someone says we did not get a child, some other person says this has happened. Not having children is not a curse. But the way it affects them is the curse. That is why there is a tight relation between money and religion.

Talk to Yogis (English/Hindi) [English transcript] I will be giving you the information about Kundalini. At the same time, the Kundalini would be rising. You won’t feel the rising of the Kundalini. So please put your hands like this. The hands are asking for realization, so in the hands, there should be a feeling, I mean you must ask, the hands should be placed in such a manner that you are asking- Straight like this not like that and on your laps. [Hindi translation] Keep hands towards me. Humans should ponder, why has Paramatma made us? Is there a purpose for our life or God has made us just like that from amoeba to human? After taking so much trouble for so many yugas, after passing through so many vagaries, Paramatma has made a beautiful handiwork of human beings, He must have done this for some reason. Maybe he (human) has not reached that state where he can know this- why has this handiwork been made? Maybe he has not understood why he has been created. But there definitely must be some or other reason why humans have been made from amoeba. If there is a reason, it is absolutely necessary for the human to find it out. When he cannot find it out, cannot know it, it is quite natural for him to be upset. It is natural that he is worried, upset and nervous. He does not know what is causing this nervousness. Why is he so busy and moving about with anger? Sahaja Yoga is the answer to this question. Sahaja- Saha means with you, ja means born. The right which was born with you to entitle you to yoga, to become one with Paramatma, that is called Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga was there when he was primitive and when he was an amoeba. And when he became four-legged it was there, when he became two-legged it was there, when he became human then also it was there. The purpose of today’s Sahaja Yoga is to show the human, the meaning of his life, the ultimate goal. Research has been carried out in India from time immemorial by the sages and they found out many things which are inside us through meditation. In the time of Parashuram (sixth incarnation of Lord Vishnu), when he was born, people tried to find an answer in the jungles. Keeping away from the world, observing gross celibacy, hiding in a small cave, they have done penance for many years. And after that, they found the subtle, hidden secrets inside the human. From their finding, very few people could benefit. Because this job was very subtle and doing this being in society was difficult. These people had described these subtle things in many ways in the scriptures and books. But in kali yuga, in these modern times, now the time has come which we can call the spring. Like on a tree in the beginning only a few flowers bloom, only a few fruits are present. This keeps happening for many years. When the spring arrives subsequently many flowers bloom, and many flowers bloom and suddenly they turn into fruits. Easily their fruition happens. How it happens, why it happens nobody knows. Today they are all flowers and tomorrow they will turn into fruits. Today in the same way in this kali yuga, spring has arrived. And your right to know who you are, what does your existence mean and why you have come into this world. Know this thing. This is your own wealth. Like a lamp is fully readied, oil is poured in it and the wick is placed and during the festival day of Diwali, they are placed in one line. Then with one lighted lamp, you can light many lamps. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga is an extremely simple, natural method. And human should not wonder why it is so simple. In matters of religion, human always thinks in the opposite way. Earlier if you had to go to Kasi you had to walk for three to four months. But today if you have to go to Kasi, you are here in the morning and by evening you can reach Kasi. Why does not a human think, we hear, we have to gather a lot of articles, we have to do tough penance, only then we may reach. If in the matter of Sahaja Yoga also if some special arrangement has been made, why should there be so much discussion. If you are going to get something important and if you are going to definitely benefit from it, why should you doubt it so much? And also you should doubt only in cases where there is some give and take. Or if something is demanded. Or if someone is saying for this you have to do a three-year course, you have to come every day, you have to give this much fee, or you have to die of hunger. Or if we ask you to stand on your head. We don’t say all these things. Then why should doubt and think- how can this happen? It can happen. In this hall, there are at least 50% of people who have experienced this. And it should happen to you also. But human’s thinking goes along these lines. Now, in reality, is such an arrangement present inside us? Is there such a germ inside us, like it is present in all seeds and as a result of which you get your rebirth. Gyaneshwar, Janak, Nanak, Kabir Das Ji, Yog Vashist, Markandeya Ji, and above all Adi Shankaracharya Ji, have described many times about Kundalini. If you read Devi Mahatmyam or Devi Sahasranam, in the description it is written about where all She is present, on what chakras She is present, through which path She raises, etc. We have become English and for us, this appears Greek and Latin to us and we don’t know anything about our own things. Some mantras are being recited in the house, we listen and we give ten or fifteen rupees to the pandit and that is the end of it. He has recited the mantras and gone and the puja is over, all the ceremony is over and we have pleased Devi. Because of this thought process, we do not identify with any of our religion’s thoughts. In the western countries where people have progressed a lot, they have earned a lot of power and fortune, who have collections of all types of gadgets, whatever they could amass on the material front, they have done it. Now they turn back and say, the joy we were looking for, where have we lost it? We have not obtained that joy. Let us leave aside all these- material things, what for- there is no joy. This is some maze. We are lost in this, this is some illusion, let us leave it. Their children have left it. They have given their homes and all they are wearing the clothes of sanyasis and have started consuming ganja-marijuana. Is this proper? You notice thousands loiter here, they are all sadhus. They are seeking Paramatma. They also consume ganja and think that in that process they can reach God. In such times Sahaja Yoga became available. You have to seek it inside not outside. Many times reputed poets have said Nanak was the incarnation of Raja Janak and Nanak said,’ kahe re vana khojan jayi, sada nivasi sada alepa tohe sang samaye’, he is saying it is all built-in you, why are you going out. Inside you it is in Atma Swaroop, why are you looking for it outside? What is that thing? Who is it? How is it? I will tell you all about it. Sahaja Yogis should not come late. People’s attention gets disturbed. Sir, You look here, have you not seen women? Put your attention here for a minute. I am telling you to seek yourself. It is a matter of taking your attention to you. If you take your attention here and there, how can I pull your attention inwards? Put your attention here for some time. Be calm, because this is very subtle. This is extremely subtle and attained with absolute devotion. Inside our body there is an arrangement called an autonomous nervous system- we call it a self-propelled system. This system is present in three ways. Doctors know it by the names of the right and left sympathetic nervous system and parasympathetic nervous system. According to Sahaja Yoga Shastra, all these three systems are made of matter, appearing outside as gross. The driving system for these is located in the spine as I am showing here by means of these three lines. You see it here. These are the three nadis. Among these, one is called Ida, the other is called Pingla and the central one is called Sushumna. These three nadis are present or not, whether these are inside our body are not, whether these are active in the subtle form are not, because you can see the sympathetic and parasympathetic. These subtle nadis you can’t see. They can only manifest in Sahaja Yoga. But to see anything subtle, first, you have to become subtle. This is indisputable. Without becoming subtle how will you see, know a subtle thing? Even then you have eyes and you are at the human level, I can show you the pulsation of Kundalini. You can see the movement of Kundalini. You can see the rising of Kundalini if you are a human whether you are realised or not. In our body the subtle system which is made in us, these three powers dwell in us. The power which is on the right side and crosses over to the left side is called Mahakali Shakti. Now you will find this name strange, how is Shri Mataji calling it Mahakali. The English could not discover it, how can I tell the English name? This is the Mahakali power because of which the whole world exists. This is responsible for the rhythm in the world, an apocalypse happens. Like we are alive because of our heart, when the heart stops we can die. This Shakti nourishes your heart. Its name is Mahakali Shakti. It is our emotional side which the English call Psyche. This is activated by the left side sympathetic nervous system. Doctors will not agree with this. They do not know the difference between the right and the left. Even the doctor and psychologist don’t agree with each other. I do not have any quarrel with them. But they have their differences. The psychologist will not be able to convince the doctor and the doctor will not be able to convince the psychologist. A human is psychology, psyche and the body, and the emotion and the mind also. He is everything. Sahaja Yoga looks at the human as complete and analyses, it does not analyse each differently as done in science. But on every aspect of science, it fits in properly. The nadi on the left-hand side, we call it Mahakali Shakti. The position of a human is governed by this power. The position of the entire world is also governed by this power. If this position is not present if this power is not present, his position can’t be made, he can’t exist, the whole world can’t exist. But you take it that it is the emotional side of Paramatma. It is not active, it is a state. When it is activated in us, whatever is dead, whatever thoughts come, rise and perish, whatever past is there it is operated by this. It keeps storing it. All the conditioning in us is stored by this, recorded by this. We consider this as Mahakali Shakti. And the other power which passes through the left and comes to the right, we call that Mahasaraswati shakti. All our work gets done through Mahasaraswati shakti. Creation, thinking, movement of limbs and whatever work we do for the future and whatever planning we do, whatever thinking we do for the future, all that happens with the right-hand side power which we call Mahasaraswati shakti. The power which is in the center is called Mahalaxmi shakti. Our growth happens because of this power. Our evolution takes place and today we have become human from amoeba only because of this power. The present-day human form is also because of this power. The power establishes its particular dharm-attribute in each material. When I say, do not be upset. Dharm means its innate nature. Like the nature of gold, it doesn’t get spoiled. It is untarnishable. Carbon has a valency of four. Every molecule and atom has its nature. A scorpion is like a scorpion. A snake is like a snake. Likewise human behaves like a human. Human dharma is also established by this power. Only because his dharma is established he has reached his present state. There are different qualities of humans that keep coming and going and when the ten dharmas are established in him, he get created. Because of this Mahalaxmi Shakti, he can reach his mandated destination – evolutionary power. This is your today’s present, what you are now, that power. In this manner, all the three times past, future and present exist inside you at this very moment. This way the three powers exist in a human and only because of these three powers he has reached his present state. Now as we know this mike is made or any other machine is made, we do not understand its use till we take out the coil from inside and connect to the mains, its use is not evident. In the same way, until the human is connected to the mains, till such time there can be no purpose for his existence. After that there is only one purpose for this, mike, my voice has to flow through this, it becomes a hollow thing. This instrument has been made so that it can carry my voice. Later we realise that we also become a hollow thing and through us, that power is transmitted from inside us and starts flowing. Inside this becomes Chaitanya ki Lahren-waves of enlightenment and flow through our hands, which we believe is the all-pervading power of the divine and that is the power of love which is flowing beyond these three powers, taking with it all the powers and flowing as one; it has all the three Shaktis. If we look at this picture of Paramtma’s , if we are the reflection of Paramatma, then these three powers are operational in Paramatma. And as if we are tiny cells made inside Him. Like if this is a macrocosm, we are a microcosm. This way we are sitting inside Him like Him. We have to just get awakened for the all-pervading Paramatma’s shakti to flow through us. Until this happens you can’t get the joy. Until you do not get the movement, you cannot reach your life’s goal. You may possess whatever material thing of this world, still you will not get happiness. You will not be joyful. You are watching in front of you, I have shown you many chakras and Kundalini rises only after passing through these chakras. Now I will describe the seven chakras which are inside this. Don’t keep doubting whether they are there or not or Mataji is just talking like that. Even if you are a scientist, you must have an open mind. I am placing before you a hypothesis. You accept, you look at it. If it happens, if it is good, if it manifests, then you accept it. These seven subtle chakras inside us can definitely be seen from outside and the doctors call them plexus. Simultaneously, I will also tell their names which are present in their subtle manifestation in the form of plexus, a gross matter, which can be seen. You can understand that there are some arrangements inside us over which we have no control. Like your heart, it is working on its own. Your stomach’s movement is happening by itself. Your breathing is happening on its own. There are many tasks which are happening by themselves. Out of these, you can increase your heart rate. If you start running, your heart rate can go up. But it comes down by itself, you can’t reduce it. You can increase your breathing rate but can’t reduce it. The process of reduction is also self-propelled. One is which you can increase, bring into use in an emergency, which you can grab, that is the sympathetic nervous system. There is another over which you have no control that is the parasympathetic nervous system. And as I said, the sympathetic nervous system is propelled by Ida and Pingala nadis and the Parasympathetic nervous system in the center is propelled by the Sushumna nadi. There are some centers inside us that are sustained by these three nadis. In these centers, many deities are seated. Many will say, Mataji don’t talk about deities, this is not scientific. But can people of science answer all the questions? If you ask a simple question, ask a doctor. If any foreign thing is introduced in our body, it is thrown out by the body immediately. It makes all efforts to throw it out of the body. But when a mother has a baby in her womb that is not thrown out. It is groomed, taken care of, and nourished. Who does this? Who takes this decision? Where does this discretion come from? Does anybody think about this? How does this happen? When a baby comes into a mother’s womb, the grooming starts instead of throwing that out. There are so many questions like this and doctors can’t give a reply to any of these questions. There are two chemicals by the name acetylcholine and adrenaline and when they enter our body or when they operate in our body their action is different. Like when it has to relax, i.e. augment, it cuts down. Doctors say we can’t explain the action mode of these. In such matters, they give a stereotyped reply, ‘We can’t explain it’. Alright, their reply is also true. In this there is an important truth, at least they accept it. Because their search is from outside, in the dark when you go somewhere, you can’t see the totality, you get one thing, then another, etc. they can’t be connected. When you take one thing and keep on analysing it, you reach a point where you forget the whole thing. You know that one doctor examines one eye and another doctor examines the other eye. If you have to get your whole body examined, you have to pay at least 60 doctors. When a human is one and his art, his music, his poetry where do they come from? No one has any idea about it. Because when a man searches from outside this is what happens. But one thing is possible; if in this dark room there is illuminated suddenly, everything can be known at once. This is our Sahaja Yoga. Inside us is placed at the bottom part in a triangular bone- can you see here?- in three and a half coils, a Shakti called Kundalini. I have already told you whether it is there or not, I will show it. This power is in a dormant state. It will be in a dormant state till an authorised person comes before it. The authorised person will very rarely be there, almost non-existent. I have not found anyone at least since my birth, in this janma. There are some people in this world whom I can say are realised, but no one is around, they are in jungles. Very few. Almost negligible-may be one or two. When someone comes in, it will manifest, because it is Chaitanya, awareness. This thinks, understands, organises. We cannot think of a power that thinks, understands and coordinates and loves. We cannot understand any such power. But if we can do all these there must be some or other source. After all, how do we do all these works? What is not present in the tree, how can it be there in the fruit? There must be a source for this, it must be located somewhere, which we love, think, and does all works. A small trace of that power flows through you and everyone in the Sushumna nadi and is seated in these three and a half coils- there are math and shastra in this also- and there is a beautiful arrangement inside. And it remains dormant. Many claim that we can awaken Kundalini. I come across many. Many have also written books. If you come here after reading those books, you will be jittery, ‘Mataji Kundalini is a frightening thing’. If it is your mother, can your mother be frightening? The entire world can be frightening, but not a mother. She is your mother and is born with you in all your lives. The mother who gave you birth may change, but she will not change. The kundalini moves with you, stays with you, it stays inside you, she knows you, she knows your mistakes, she knows your good deeds, she is familiar with your deeds. Such an entity, can it harm you? How can it? But one who is not authorised only can talk ill. If you see below Kundalini, there is a center with four petals. Where Kundalini is seated, it is called Mooladhar, because the base of the origin is located there; It is its residence. Placed outside this residence, much below is a center called Mooladhara Chakra. There is a big difference between Mooladhar and Mooladhara chakra. Mooladhara chakra is below and Mooldhar is above. In Mooladhar, your mother kundalini is seated in the Gouri shakti form. Gouri is taking a bath and below Ganesha is protecting Her. In this first center, Shri Ganesha dwells. Someone may say how is Shri Ganesha coming into the picture. Whether Shri Ganesha is there or not we will see later. Shri Ganesha is a symbolic form. He is symbolic of an eternal child. Shri Ganesha is an eternal child. We have many symbolisms in us, this the psychologists believe. They have worked hard on this. They say there is an all-pervading universal unconscious, which is inside us in a symbolic form and gives us dreams. They didn’t have the power of meditation, otherwise, they would have seen it. But if one can have the power to go into meditation, he can see it; the existence of Shri Ganesha at this place. Whether it is true or not I Will show you as we proceed in the Kundalini Yoga. All those who are here have experienced it. You have not. You will also experience it. Shri Ganesha has his place here. Shri Ganesha is seated in this chakra because when you want Kundalini to be awakened, your Maa Gouri to be awakened, you should have towards your mother the innocence of a child, you should have the same innocence towards sex. Because Shri Ganesha who is sitting on the four-petalled chakra, sex is also controlled from this chakra. There is no other way for going towards Paramatma, absolutely not. If someone trespasses into this path Shri Ganesha gets angry; Can you have sex with your mother? Those who are talking about sex this way, they are teaching this - you can have sex with your mother. A Hindustani (Indian) can easily understand this; there can be no greater misdeed ,sin, curse than this. In the Mooladhara chakra, Shri Ganesha is protecting His mother’s modesty. These days lots of people go around claiming to be Krishna Ji and they are propagating dirty ideas like sublimate your sex. You are already sublimated, note it. Mooladhara chakra is below and Kundalini is seated above. Only because you indulge in such activities, you feel the heat inside you which is due to Shri Ganesha’s anger. He gets angry with you and only because of his anger Kundalini gets lightened. Kundalini does do anything, It is stationed at its place. Kundalini does not move. It is because of Shri Ganesha’s anger, beyond Kundalini-there being no role of Kundalini- the sympathetic nervous system is damaged and you will have many types of discomforts inside you. Some will get blisters all over. I have seen it. I have to treat those who are affected by this. Blisters appear all over the body. Such is the anger of Shri Ganesha. Many have problems with their hands and legs. Some people start shouting, some start screaming. Some undress themselves. Some get intoxicated. Some start murmuring, some start seeing light. All kinds of things happen. I went to a place called Kolhapur. A person was sitting with his legs towards me. People told him, you should not sit with your legs facing Shri Mataji. He said, ’Let me sit like this, otherwise I will jump like a frog’. I asked why do you jump like a frog? He said,’ My guru has raised my Kundalini and that is why I jump like a frog’. Do not raise Kundalini by mere talk. What more disrespect can be shown towards something Which is there for your benefit, your happiness, your joy than this. There should be no such symptoms. Yes, if your health is not okay, maybe your Kundalini raises a little bit and goes to the place where there is a problem and stops there. It will stay there for one or two days. It may so happen that you have some heat in the body. There was a person who had a complaint, and he had his thumb shaking like this, not much. Because you should have Indications also. When this Kundalini is awakened, it passes through six chakras because the seventh one, Mooladhara chakra is at the bottom and it can’t be pierced. That is why we call shat chakra-six chakras- See how real this is, the Mooladhara chakra can’t be pierced. That is why we should not talk about it when referring to the Kundalini. Yes, if you are an impure person and licentious, if you have not cared for your Ganesh Ji even a little bit, if you have spent your life foolishly, then surely a vacuum will form inside you and whenever the Kundalini tries to ascend, it slides down immediately. This can happen. That is another matter. If you have not cared for Ganesh Ji, this can happen. But in Sahaja Yoga this is forgiven, I have seen. Even if you were like this before, you are forgiven. It is very important that when you are in front of Paramatma and you desire His blessings, you check your purity. Do I have purity? You understand the difference between a mother and a sister or not. It is very important. When Mooladhar chakra deteriorates, one gets many problems related to sex. You can have problems such as constipation etc. because this chakra is just below the anus. Just above this chakra in the center of stomach, you will see what we call the Nabhi chakra. This is also called Manipura chakra- Nabhi chakra or Manipura chakra. Manipura chakra is behind the Nabhi- navel in the spine in this place (the chart is shown). And the plexus which is operated by this chakra is called solar plexus. The chakra is in the spine but the plexus is in the front. It is located outside the spine and this is gross. The subtle chakra is inside the spine and is called the medulla oblongata. It is in the medulla oblongata in the spine. The solar plexus operates all the organs in the stomach. You will see another chakra that comes out of this chakra and moves all around. This is called Swadishthan chakra. This chakra has six petals. Shri Brahmadev dwells here and Shri Saraswati is his shakti. In the Nabhi chakra dwells Shri Vishnu and Laxmiji is his shakti. If someone is very poor, it is possible his Nabhi chakra is impaired. Nabhi chakra of our country is impaired. That is why there is so much poverty here. You do lots of pujas on Laxmiji, do anything, you will not gain. Till such time your Nabhi chakra is not alright, your condition will not be good. But Laxmiji does not mean money. Listen carefully. Today I will tell you about these two chakras and make you meditate and tomorrow I will tell the rest. I will tell only about Laxmi Ji and Saraswatiji. This is not imagination, it is real, actual. Because Nabhi chakra establishes righteousness in us. There are ten dharmas of humans. They should be there. If one is unable to follow all of them, he is not useful for Sahaja Yoga. His dharmas have to be bound. He can’t be awakened. These are the ten dharmas. These should be inside us, as a minimum. Only when he has these he can go beyond dharma. Laxmiji is in feminine form. It means She should have a mother’s heart, who has money. One can be called Laxmipati only when he is extremely good-hearted and who has a motherly instinct. Secondly, Laxmiji is standing on a lotus, light. That means that a Laxmipati should be very light about himself, So much simplicity that he can stand even on a lotus. I observe that if someone has a little money, he becomes so arrogant. He will tell me, ‘Look Mataji, I want to get realisation but I can’t come to that hall and be among those people, You have to come to my house’. I said why is it because you have more money? And you can’t sit with others? Such a person shouldn’t have even a wee bit of arrogance, then only he is a Laxmipati. If he has arrogance because of money, then he is ruined. Then how is he rich? One who is actually rich, he has everything of his own, he is never arrogant of anything. Only when he has knocked it from others, he will become arrogant. Or he lacks something that is why he is arrogant. If he has everything he is never arrogant. Do we go around showing arrogance that we have noses, eyes, ears? Laxmiji has pink coloured lotuses in her both hands. These pink lotuses are fully bloomed. Like that Laxmipati should have an open heart like these lotuses. He should be an open-hearted man. If someone comes, he starts barking, how can he be Laxmipati? He is a dog then; He can’t be a Laxmipati. Like a lotus whose fragrance is spread in the whole world, people will know that there lives Laxmipati here and they bow to him.. Laxmi has all over this man. He is a moneyed man, he can’t be Laxmipati. Behind his back they will say he is a drunkard, he is that, etc,.He is a black marketer and so on. No one praises him. He has no grace. There is no beauty. There are some people like that. Where I was born there was a person. He was called Laxminarayan, a very rich man. You can call him Laxmipati. Extremely unassuming, very simple, His nature was like that of a child. I have seen many but very few are like him. And their house should be like a lotus, beautiful, rose-like, in which there should be rose shade in the heart, pull of the heart, people accept him, people should visit that house. Coral like creature also finds a place in the lotus. And make them feel comfortable and make them rest and they feel cozy. The heart should be soft. Have you seen anyone like that? If you come across one, please let me know. Very difficult. They got money and became donkeys. If not anything, they will drink or gamble. What kind of nature is that? Once he makes money his wisdom takes a beating, his intellect is worse than that of a horse. I am surprised when I think of it. If he can’t get a good sense from money, what is the use of such money? Only such money is of value which gives good sense to the human. His righteousness is awakened. Paramatma gives you more money for you to take up religious works. The world is blessed. I will tell you that there is a close relationship between religion and money, whether you believe it or not. Yesterday I told you that I went to someone’s house and they said you must definitely come here, there is important work here. They are very rich people etc.I said I don’t understand money, I will go. They said, ‘It is in your way’. As soon I stepped in I said this house is cursed, you may be rich or whatever. They said how? I said it is cursed. When I saw their young two adolescent children and they were seated in the chairs all the time, legs and hands spread like this. They are like this from the time they are born. What do you do with that money? You move around on an elephant. Your two children are like this. Outside the house itself, I could feel that this house is cursed. You are cursed with money, your earning, your spending has no religion involved. In the same way, many houses have been cursed. Someone’s wife has gone mad, some had this problem, some had some other problem. Someone says we did not get a child, some other person says this has happened. Not having children is not a curse. But the way it affects them is the curse. That is why there is a tight relation between money and religion.

2/15/1977

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Sat Chit Anand

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Sat Chit Anand, Advice given on 15th February 1977 at New Delhi. [Translation from Hindi] ….. anybody picks up a pen and starts writing. Most of the writers, most of them, have self-interests vested. They have some or other interests like befooling people, making money or showing off etc. By grace of almighty few great saints have been there and they also wrote something. However, they did not publish anything themselves but later their scripts were published, for example Kabir Das ji, Guru Nanak, Ramdas Swami, Tukaram. In ancient times, we had Sage Valmiki, Yog Vashishtha and many other saints. But people would find it difficult to identify right and wrong ones amongst them all. Thirdly we have Swami Markandey and Adi Shankaracharya. We call ourselves Hindu, this and that but no one reads Adi Shankaracharya’s work. Even after reading it no one could understand him well. He was such a big devotee of Mother that he won’t do anything other than offering prayers to Mother. All the time he kept praying to Mother Bhagwati and he knew nothing else. He would suggest only to pray to the Mother and anything shall be done. And this is absolutely correct. He said whatever Yoga etc. you do, will not help you find Divine. You can find [divine] only when Mother endows Her blessings, otherwise you just can’t find Him. He mentioned this very clearly. But in our country, everyone is practicing Hatha-Yoga. What Hatha yoga you people are practicing? It is something not meant for family people. Here they have made it compulsory. Yesterday cops came to check out, if we teach Hatha-yoga. It’s like Hindi Idiom: Karela Neem Chadha – Bitter gourd flavoured with Neem.” Hath Yogis are so angry people that God save us. Their wives just run away. You look at any Hath Yogi, Hath Yoga enters the house and wife runs away, and the man runs after with stick. And if wife becomes Hath Yogini then God save, her man is in trouble. Because it is prohibited to practice it while leading a worldly life. It is practiced very carefully in celibacy under guidance of a Guru, following six strict regimes of Rules and regulations [Yam, Niyam] etc. Now, whoever studies Hath-Yoga, comes over and starts lecturing me on this matter that, "Mataji so is written in that book." Oh dear, who has authored that book? Now amongst those people who is right or wrong, who is real or fake? Amongst real ones also there are two types. One, who are still searching for God and second those who have found. Those who are still searching, what’s the point in studying their work, as they are still searching? If a blind follows another blind person, what’s the point? Those who have already found the God, study their work, e.g., Kabir Das ji, Guru Nanak ji. If you talk about Surdasji, I would say no. Surdasji wrote good poetry of separation [emotional/virah]. He sang separation [emotional poetry], but you must read one, who talks about Union. One who talks about Union, actually only such person can show you the path because he has already found it. Nowadays everyone is like that, so many such people have cropped up all over. You just mentioned about J. Krishmurty. But he does not talk about Union. He is actually a very disconcerted individual. He knows nothing. He is just seeking in dark and making everyone else (his followers) fall down flat. And whoever reads his books, starts singing the same tune. Just by talking you don’t get God Almighty, this event has to happen within. In Sahaja, this event takes place within us, due to which our Attention enters a new dimension, a new event takes place within. Until this happens, what are we talking? Just singing Krishnamurty’s tunes? He is like a blind man and so are you. I keep listening with surprise to all big things this boy is talking all over, that this happens, that happens in this. If I ask who said this, answer is Krishnamurty. Now, Krishnamurty is not realized soul for sure. If he was in real, won’t talk like this. A realized soul talks with authority that, "It’s like this, that, and see this." Take case of anyone. Krishna said “Leave all Religions [Dharmas], duties, and come in my shelter [surrender to me].” He had no fears and said very clearly. Christ said “I am the door, I am the path, (inaudible), I am the Light”. He was not afraid of anyone, just said that, "I AM". How Kabira has said, “I will take control of all five elements, will tie them all with a single thread”. How courageous! He said.. “I will DO it.” It’s not that he had to coax in front of Almighty “Hey God, I did not…” One who has found it, why would he sing song of separation [Viraha]? So, if you say that we must read all, it’s wrong. If you are seeking, then read someone who has already found it. Now if you are seeking and the other person [author/writer] is also seeking, if you read such a person’s work, you will also go into ditch along with that person. Assume that he is already in ditch, then you will also fall. How would you know whether he is right or not? So now you have read J. Krishnamurty, he has not mentioned anywhere that, “I have found it" or "I had such experience.” The enjoyment we get in reading work of such people is because he is in sorrow and we are also in sorrow just like him. We enjoy Surdas’s bhajans because we are seeking God and he is also seeking in a way coaxing to Almighty that, "When will you meet?" And if someone is singing songs of union [with God], we don’t like it. Because one feels jealous that, "See he has already found God and see we are still just here." New Seeker: Krishnamurty talks of fundamental revolution (not clear) too. Shri Mataji: He just talks. Right! Ya ya. Son, talking is one thing and actually doing is another. He only talks. How does it help? You will also talk. Talks and only talks. Blah blah blah… Times of just talks is behind us. Now it’s time to do something, to act, to see something. New seeker: Until someone shows us something practically, we don’t know what’s right or wrong, we just keep studying all. Shri Mataji (amusingly): See, I am working so hard on you, I have already poured so much of oil upon you. If you say I will massage you too. (Jokes and laughs.) See it is like this, one has to be 'Nirachir Vichar' [not sure of meaning]. If you say that, "I want to try everything", then how your Mother would be able to stop you? You try everything, how can I stop you? I will not so No to everyone. But Divine is only one and finding him is also only one thing. Being one with Him is the only work we have, rest all is meaningless, this is true. Anything else if you want to do, then keep trying… You will try all in this birth or next but when will you try this thing? If someone asks me, I would say that follow only this and get it. I have nothing to do with anything else. Alright. And if trying something else benefits you, I would definitely say go ahead, Son. But it does not work, see it has only caused damage. Now you see, you have been trying hard three days and right in front of you so many people have got it, but only you could not get. Is it not true? I don’t have to settle any scores with you, right? But you have not got it. But okay, on first day I think you had got it but later you caught up [negativity]. Other seeker: I have the same problem. Shri Mataji: Yes, you also have same issue and there is a reason behind it. You have studied it all and they all are sitting inside your minds. That’s why I call them bhoots [ghosts, negativity]. Seeker: Please cleanse me today. Shri Mataji: That’s fine. I will cleanse you today but you should follow a different route to home today, not only this I will get your dress also changed. (Mother laughs and then reassures seekers) Don’t worry, it’s okay, today I will cleanse you. Actually, what to say but falsehood sticks very quickly but truth does not. One has to earn it hard and establish himself in truth. Truth has its own prestige. Mosquitos will be after you, wherever you go, because they have to suck your blood. But if you have to visit a king then one has to take permission, it would have some protocols, one has to buy good clothes, take prior appointment, one has to go very gracefully and bow your head before king. Truth is one like that, which is self-glorified. That Truth has such a big prestige that you have to bow your head. If you show arrogance, Truth will not accept you but you have to accept the truth. But falsehood will catch you very quick. If you just found Truth here, you visit that place and falsehood will immediately catch you. This falsehood catches so fast. just like dust. This dust sticks very fast but cleansing takes time. That’s the problem and that’s how you caught some negativity yesterday. You had got it yesterday but then again you had some catches. One should not catch, if you go little deep inside then you would not catch again. You must go deep, Sahaja Yoga is for those who have depth, not for superficial people. Those who know everything superficially, Sahaja yoga is not for such people. If you want your welfare/bliss, then you must go down deep. Have to go deep. However, I don’t test you people like other Gurus, I don’t torture you. Just look at other Gurus. Let me tell you an instance, in Ambarnath [holy place of Lord Shiva] there was a Guru and he had a poor disciple Jagannath Ji called Baba Jagannathji. He sent Jagannathji to a place near Bombay, known as Ambarnath. He was told to do penance for 12 years there. After 12 years Shri Mataji will herself come there and clear his Agnya Chakra, which was caught. Just think about it. After 12 years, I went to Ambarnath, as I had a program there. Jagannathji arrived there and said, "Shri Mataji my Guru had told me like this before and he himself has arrived here too." I said okay. When I went there, asked his Guruji that his Agnya Chakra had to be cleared, "Why didn’t you do that?" On this he replied, “Let him die.” I asked, “Why let him die?”. He says, “I have earned it so hard and was able to open my Agnya Chakra after so long. Why should I grant him just like that?”. There was no Love. Then I cleared his Agnya Chakra. So Guruji said, "He will catch again." Then I asked, "Why will he catch?" On this Guruji replied that because he smokes. I asked him, "Why don’t you ask him not to smoke?" He says, "Let him die." He had reservations even in telling to that person not to smoke. He says, "Why should I tell him? Let him learn himself. He must learn himself." And if I say something to you people, you feel bad about it. I tell you people just because this is against your Dharma [righteousness], This, this is not right, you should not do it. All those [Gurus] tell me, there are many such. One is in Pondicherry, another in Kalikat. Instead, other way round they tell me that there is no use of working on these people, these people belong to this world [society] are all very worldly [materialistic]. They will get it today and get lost tomorrow, then again get it just to lose it again. They are not going to be established in it (realization). And I have to show them that these same people will get it. And they have got it, they are well established. You have seen how these people are, these 6-7 people have come from England, like them there are others too, about 20-25 in all. They are very solid, well established people [Sahaja Yogis]. To find Divine, one has to establish himself. It’s not something like, you can buy it from any shop. It’s not like that. One has to establish himself. And for whom, our own benevolence. What benevolence will happen to Mataji? I am one beyond benevolence, only you have to be blessed. You only are going to get it, you must establish in it, go little deep. Some or the other deformity is anyways there. However, many people get realization but then their boat keeps tottering unsteadily, they don’t get established. Now I told some of them after they got realization that we do take a treatment of photograph. This photograph of mine emits vibrations, just keep your hands opened towards photograph, your both legs in water and add some salt in water. Do this for seven days so that you will get established to good extent. Because by doing this, your faith improves as vibrations get better and all those impurities [internal] are cleansed [in water]. It’s because you come across many impure things every day in this world. There is another person, who lives in Gagangarh. He told these people that he has been doing penance ever since he was in state of a frog, "I did penance for thousands of years, only then I got these vibrations and Shri Mataji is giving you vibrations so early. What have you done? All of you are useless. Tell me how many of you would give life for Mataji?" Now all these boys got scared. Not these people but there was a poor man, who used to trouble me a lot, so I told him to go and see this Maharaj as he had asked to send someone. Then after 15-20 days this poor man returned, he walked up to me with both legs hanging by his neck. I said, "What’s all this?" On this he started saying, "This Maharaj is a showman or what?" I asked, "What did he do?" He told, "This Maharaj roams around riding on a lion and his lion threw me down. He did not give me food for 4 days, broke my both legs, starved me for four days, then on fifth day he offered me four rotis [bread]. After that he told me, 'To carry these broken legs on my neck to your Mataji, only she will cure you. I will throw you down again otherwise'." Therefore, you must also cooperate little bit and you must understand that while living in this world, walking amid amongst common people many types of negative thoughts, negative powers are all active around us. In this Kali Yuga sixteen devils have taken birth, the big ones who were killed by Devi. Even killing them is of no use, as they all are back with all their weapons. They have returned in even more nasty forms and trying to enter into your psyche. All kinds of businesses are going on, some of them have come in disguise of gods, and they are very affluent. They have so much of money that they can buy you also. And when you pour money who will say a word? Once money is shown, you get sold out. They have very big organisations; our very senior retired officers are their secretaries. They can buy anyone on their wish but they all are devils. Definitely devils! They are worst of devils and are well described in Devi-mahatma [holy book]. They all are sitting on our heads and we have to honour/accept them. Because they have earned great publicity, their style is different, they would hypnotise you, mesmerise you and you all start running after them. It’s okay for them as they don’t have any conscious, wisdom or intellect. They have no fear of God, they have been to hell thousands of times and have built immunity now. They feel nothing, what can be done? Anyways hell is all full there and what’s point in sending them to hell now? Only you people will have to accept Truth in your total freedom. In Total freedom. How can I enforce it on you? Even if we make someone a king forcefully, would he sit there? In Sahaja Yoga, many things have become very simple in its current form. Sahaja Yoga has been there since eternity. I will tell you later in what all forms Sahaja yoga has been there. But in current form of Sahaja Yoga, many things have become simple except one thing is scarce, or as in English language we call it 'loophole', is that even Divine is surrendered to the freedom on human being. In this, my hypnosis is not at all possible. I can’t put you in any illusion. You must remain in your conscious, follow your own intellect. You must take full permission of Self before stepping towards Divine, nobody can push you for this. If you understand this thing, Sahaja yoga will be very beneficial to you within no time that, “Your freedom is well respected.” [English] Today I’m going to tell you, yesterday I told you, what are the mental stratas or what is the totality of man. Whatever I have told you about it, about the totality of man, all his four sides, is: on top is the super-consciousness, on the right-hand side is the supra-conscious state, and this side is the sub-conscious state, and down below is the hell. You can see that after Realisation, not before. Before it, if I tell you that this man is not correct, that man is correct, you are not going to like it. You will think that I am criticising someone. Why should I criticise? One person I say he’s good, another person is not good. Later on, once you are Realised and you have gone deep into it, then you become so sensitive that even the name of such a person gives you a heat in the hand, you start burning, you don’t like it. So, this strata of super-consciousness, I told you, I will be discussing today. Because yesterday we discussed it too. Now you might say that, “We must do even the collective subconscious and also this collective supra-conscious, we should try to do everything.” But you are side-tracked. Not only [that] but you are affected, you are hurt. But the worst part of the whole thing is that after human state, if you go to any one of these stratas, you go to the pishacha state. On the left-hand side you become a pishacha, and on the right-hand side you become a rakshasa. Even after Realisation a person like Ravana became a rakshasa. He was a Realised-soul. He was a Brahmin, no doubt, he was. But even after that, you see, he had such a weakness for women. When he tried to do that, again he fell down, he became a rakshasa. The trouble is, after this state, you become either a superman, or a what you call 'the devata' or, you can say, the Realised-soul, or you become a rakshasa. So, you have to choose. Now human state is such a state that either you go this way, that way, or you go to hell. And when you go to the extremes you come down to hell. Supposing you have been to somebody who has been a tantrika. Take the case of a tantrika. He has been trying all these things and all that – unknowing. Also, he does not know he’s a tantrika. Supposing you have been to him. [When] you come to me, immediately we find out that there has been a problem with you. If you go to a Realised-soul, immediately I will know that he has been. Today one gentleman came to me. I asked him, “Who is your Guru?” And he told me his name. He’s a Realised-soul, I know. In Kanchi, the Shankaracharya of Kanchi, the old one. He’s a Realised-soul. Not the new one. The new one is not. None of them are, except for one, the Kanchi one. When he told me I said, “You will get your Realisation, no problem!” Because if he’s a Realised-soul, they will have no complications. He got his Realisation; he was alright in no time. So, no question. But if you go to, say, somebody else who is a tantrika, bend your head before that, you can’t get your Realisation. Now, there is nothing to criticise. Why should I? I mean, I am not a politician. I don’t want anything. I don’t want any money. Nothing. I don’t have to know even about Kundalini. I know each and every thing about it! Absolutely complete! I don’t have to have anything from you. Then why should I say that this man is not alright? Because I can, even a child can, say it. If a child is Realised, he will say it. My granddaughter she went in Ladakh to see some lama. She went to Ladakh and saw the lamas' place. These lamas are, none of them are Realised. Surprisingly none of them are Realised! It’s a fact. I am telling you. If they were Realised, I would have said, “They are Realised,” but if they are not, I will say, “They are not.” Pope is not a Realised person. This is not politics. This is Absolute Truth. So, this little girl – she was hardly that time three or four years of age – so she looked at him and said, “Yeh, kya sar munay ke chauga pinaa ke, aise ban ki waite hai. Karam kaige.” Immediately she said it because she could feel it. She’s a child! We had once a program, and another granddaughter of mine she had come, and a big "sadhu baba" in Bombay. I will not name him, because you all know him. He is not a Guruji but he’s running a big mission there. He was sitting on the dais [stage] and this my granddaughter was sitting with someone in front – she’s a small girl, very small; now she’s hardly five-and-a-half; that time she might be about four-and-a-half or so. She saw from there this gentleman sitting there. They had called me as a chief guest and he was the Chairman or something like that. So, she saw from there. She said, “Nanny, nanny yeh jo maxi-panti baitha, is ko baga bahar to sab garam garam aar raha hai. Waha se chill aa rahe!” It was so embarrassing (Hindi) He’s telling you the Truth; why do you call him obstinate? He’s a very brilliant boy, very brilliant. (Hindi) He’s so particular and one day he was saying that, “(Hindi).” Just he can’t bear it. One father came to see my brother, and my brother was about to touch his feet. He said, “If you would have touched his feet otherwise, I would have hit the father very nicely. Why should you touch his feet?” So, you see, the thing is, this is the Absolute Knowledge. It is the Knowledge by which you know what is the Truth, what is not the Truth. Seeker: We people, having limited consciousness, anybody talks about wisdom… Shri Mataji: I know. That is the reason why I am so sorry. You see, why my attitude is very different from these Gurus is, I don’t say that you spoil yourself, “Go to this one, go to this one. Alright, die there!” You see, I don’t say like that. I am looking after you because I know you are seekers. And I feel sorry because the seekers have suffered. I feel very sorry. Now the hippies abroad – you see my centre is just in the centre of the hippie village. Why? Because I know they are the seekers. Poor things, they are suffering because they are the seekers. All my sympathies, all my heart goes to them because they are the seekers. You know how much I am working with you. You know that very well. Because I realise that you are a seeker and, in your ignorance, you have gone to these people. Now you can say that, “Why didn’t God give us this sensitivity?” God had. God had given you. Human beings, you were very sensitive at the time of Sitaji. At the time of Radhaji also they were very sensitive. But now man, in his freedom, has become so materialistic. What impresses is a good dress, good features, big car. Somebody coming in a big car – “Oh big thing!” We are becoming, day-by-day, very gross. This is the reason. And this grossness has grown into us. That’s why you do not feel it. But there are many people, I tell you, who could not bear J. Krishnamurti. They said, “Oh he’s singing! What are we to get from him?” It’s a simple [thing] you see. Use your brains. Either use your sensitivity of your heart or use your brains. God has given you brains. If you read J.Krishnamurti you’ll know [whether] he’s seeking. It’s very easy to find out the one who is seeking and the one who is not seeking. Yesterday that singer was singing all the viraha ke songs [songs of longing/separation]. Then he got Realised and I said, “Now don’t sing viraha. Now you’ve got it.” But still [if] he goes on [with] viraha, so God will say, “Alright, let him not have his vibrations.” So, you lose his vibrations. In small things I have seen [that] people lose their vibrations. Such a precious thing has been brought down to them, and for a small thing they lose it. There was a man who got Realisation and he went somewhere, Kashi or some place. From there he bought some black thread and he was wearing it. Now see the human mind, you say that we are, but this is stupidity. There, he gave that black thread to him. Now what is a black thread? You tell me what is the worth of a black thread? He lost his vibrations. When he came to me, I said, “My son, throw away this black thread.” He cannot throw. He said, “No, no, no, no. I cannot throw black thread.” I said, “Now what to do?” I said, “Who has given you this black thread? Use your brains.” I spent one hour discussing with him, then he threw the black thread. I said, “This man has taken, for this one small, little thing, five rupees from you. You must know this man is making money. His bad vibrations hang out. And why are you attached to it?" Now do you know why he’s attached? Because he’s possessed by that. What is there in a black thread? You tell me. And he’s an educated man! He’s not a foolish man. That thread he could not throw. You see you are attached to these small, small things of life and not to the eternal things. That’s why, that’s why you lose it. I don’t ask you to sacrifice anything, I don’t even ask you to throw away anything. I don’t say that you give up anything. There are people who smoke, drink. I don’t even say [about] that, because I know – even if I say that, they will run away. I know that. Human beings are like that. I please you. I plead. I chastise. I chide you. I do everything. But you must know one thing, that I want that you should stick onto Reality. I will not allow you to have falsehood within you. There are methods that a Mother employs. There was a great smoker who came to me and he told me, “I cannot give up smoking that’s why I can’t come to Sahaja yoga.” I said, “No, no, you don’t give up smoking! You can come to me. There’s no need for you to give up Sahaja Yoga.” He came, and you know what happened, a lot of smoke started coming from his nose and mouth and things. He started getting the fragrance of udbatti [incense]. He said, “What’s this happening?” I said, “All your smoke is coming back!” Now whenever he smoked, he used to get that fragrance of udbatti, [so] he gave up! I play some tricks also to help you. But it’s for your good only. If it is for your hita, for your kalyana, you should not mind. There was a question: people said that, “It is said that: ‘Say the Truth and also it should be pleasing – priyam’." How can you say satya [truth] and priyam [pleasing] together? Because if you say some satya people don’t like it. It is not priyakar. Because supposing I say, “You give up this habit of yours!” Then you don’t like it. But that is a fact. If I say, “You don’t do this job. It is not a good job; you should not do it.” So, you don’t like it. So, what to do? So, Krishna has found out: He says that, “You tell them the hitam.” 'Hitam' is 'in between'. Whatever is hita for your Atma must be told. So, though it may not be priya just now, after some time it becomes priya. Because he realises, “What I have got out of you.” Of course, I don’t want to lose any one of you, I do not want you to lose your vibrations in any way. Never! How can I want it? I want you to have it. But you must know what your mind is up to. Yesterday one gentleman was here; his Kundalini could not rise because he has had a some sort of an obsession. See the human mind how it works. Then he showed me a photograph. I was telling, “I will not tell you.” He was after my life, “You tell me what is this, what happened to me? I had become like this for three days. I went into trance. I had these things.” I didn’t want to tell him, because I know it would upset him. So, I gave it [the photo] to one of these Sahaja yogis. They started burning their hands! They gave him back. Still, he was after my life, “You must tell me! You must tell me!” So, I told him. I told him, “You are very possessed!” He was so angry with me. He was telling, “This is not Kundalini this can be anything!” "You can see the Kundalini rising, you can see this breathing of it, you can see the rising of it, you can see the acting of it, you can see the people who know about it, who know about collective consciousness." But he got angry with me for that and he went away. Now what am I to do? You see yourself in this. This is the darpana [mirror] I am showing you! There was another fellow who came – you have seen that hatha yogi. He was a police-walla [policeman]. So I told him, “You have read Patanjali?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “In Patanjali it is said that it is not meant for householders. It is meant for Sanyasies who are sitting in the jungles with a Guru. It’s yama, niyama, brahmacharya and everything. He said, “Yes, it’s true. There are eight things [ashtanga] to be done.” I said, “Are you doing eight things?” He said, “No.” “What is your relationship with your wife?” “She’s run away.” “Then?” “I have become very hot-tempered. Even my Guru is a big, hot-tempered man.” “Now you are teaching this to police people? God save us!” Oh God! They will have no heart left because if you do Hatha Yoga the heart becomes just like this. You have seen Durvasa and that horrible fellow Vishwamitra. Do you want to become that? They had no love for anyone. I have seen all these Hatha Yogis. I wish they married, all of them. Those who are sitting in the jungle, who are Realised souls. They have no heart. They have no feeling. I’ve told you what is their feeling. They have no karuna [compassion] within themselves. They just say, “You are a Mother so you have the karuna.” No, but what about all the great saints – they had karuna. They were married people. All the Hatha Yogis, if you find anybody who’s doing Hatha Yoga, whether a wife or a husband, they can never live with this, because all the chakras are spoiled; no brahmacharya is there. (Someone asks some questions in Hindi, Mother scolds them in Hindi for a few minutes.) Seeker: I have some personal problem. I would like some of your time, tomorrow, day after. Half an hour’s time after the program. Shri Mataji: You have some problem of Kundalini or what? Doubts? Seeker: I have some doubts I want to clarify. Shri Mataji: Doubts – first of all, did you get your Realisation?” Seeker: No it’s not a question of getting realisation, but I was doing something; I would like to talk to you about it. Shri Mataji: You have been doing something? (Hindi)’ Seeker: I have given it up. Shri Mataji: Don’t you worry! We’ll see now supposing… You see what I’m saying. Alright, so it’s a good thing. You just sit down just now, we’ll see. If you get your Realisation – well and good. No problem, forget it. If you do not get, supposing there is a problem in you already existing, they will immediately know on your chakras. Is me discuss karne ka kya [what is the use of discussing]? (Mother talks Hindi for a minute) You see the Kundalini comes up and falls down. So, what am I to do now? (Hindi for 2 minutes) Everybody can understand Hindi? Ah. Can’t follow? That would be too much? If I say in English, will you all follow? Yes? (Hindi) They have never bothered about the Spirit, you see, so we have to use some common language which speaks about Atma. English language is not sufficient enough. I must tell you. They do not have those experiences because this is so far they have not gone deep into it. And we are very old people, ancient people. Our culture has been to know God, and everything has come in Sanskrit because Sanskrit is really a devavani [divine language/sounds]. Apart from that, when the Kundalini moves, She makes sounds, She makes different sounds, which, they are really devanagari sounds, all of them are, on all different chakras they are. If I have time, I may tell you all those sounds that It makes. So, our Sanskrit is really a devavani, and even when you say mantras then, through the Sanskrit language or devanagari pronunciations only, you can excite them better. Try to learn if not Sanskrit at least Hindi, because it’s a more, sort of, a simpler language and, it being a phonetic language, you see, it has a sound and that sound gives that vibratory effect. You try to learn it. Hindi is not my mother tongue. My mother tongue is Marathi. I speak Hindi because, after all, I know the importance of it. I also know a little bit of English and I speak in English also. So, it is better to know at least Hindi. It’s not much. When we can know a foreign language, we can know our own one national language; there’s no harm in it. I mean this, I do not want to make it a political stuff, but what I’m saying is that – for conveying our…Marathi is alright for me, Bengali is alright. I don’t know much of Tamil or Telugu. But [with] Telugu also, Tamil also, you can, because this is a yoga bhoomi. This is a great country of yoga. You don’t know. Every particle of this bhoomi, you will be surprised, is vibrating. You see, these scientists, and all that, cannot understand this. When we start accepting all that the West is saying, we are going to lose all that we had, which is so great. Of course, that it is not going to be lost. But the thing is that they are not going to utilise it for our purpose. We have to close all that on one side and we’ll have to accept something, which is just a foreign, alien thing, and nothing so much comprehensive. You can say [that] it is not samakar [samagra-?], it doesn’t envelope everything. So English language is alright – I can speak and I can talk to you and explain – but I would request you that little bit of Hindi language, if you learn, it’s a good thing. Because I find it very difficult. You know, there’s one speech of mine they have written in English and that was translated in Marathi, and what a tremendous thing it was, and in English I think it’s a poor show, absolute poor show. Maybe my English is very poor, maybe that. I don’t know, but maybe that. So, we were talking about Sat Chit Ananda. Again, I have to use Sanskrit words; see now, what can I do? Sat Chit Ananda is the super consciousness, the All-pervading Power. Chit is attention, the consciousness, conscious. You are just now conscious listening to me. Every moment you are conscious, but every moment is becoming dead into the past. Every moment coming from the future to the present. But you are conscious at this moment, listening to me. A thought rises like this and falls. You can see the rising of the thought but not the falling of the thought. In between the thoughts, there is a space which, in Sanskrit, we call it as vilamba. Of course, in English there isn’t, because they haven’t found it out. So, there is a vilamba and in that vilamba if you can stop, then you get to the conscious mind, and there exists the Sat Chit Ananda. Sat Chit Ananda is the condition of mind, you can say, or is the state of mind where there is no thought, but you are aware. First there is no thought – Nirvichar – but you are aware. That is the first state, where you jump into, into the super-consciousness. So, some people may think that, by Realisation, you must achieve something as Adi Shankaracharya had. It’s not possible. With some it may be [but] with very few, but not with everyone. First state is Nirvichar. You become thoughtlessly aware. That’s just the first state. That happens when the Kundalini rises above the Agnya Chakra – means enters into the limbic area. At that time your attention just touches the Sat point, the Sat. The reality separates from mithya (myth). You are separated. You become two personalities. At that state you start separating. Like in the milk, when you put lime it starts separating into water and the curd. In the same way the beginning starts, the beginning starts – the beginning. This is the state where you can say the Kundalini has been awakened only. You must understand the different stages as it happens. I am giving you a very slow picture. But normally the Kundalini shoots off in most of the people. But in some people, it does not, it takes time. It is lost in the Swadishthana, it is lost into the Nabhi. It doesn’t go much higher. It is arrested by the Hrday Chakra [heart] or maybe it may not even rise at all. But in case it crosses this door of Agnya Chakra, then you get into the state of thoughtless awareness. With thoughtless awareness, as like whatever state you get, supposing, you become a governor, so you get a certain power. With that [awakening] you get certain powers. But, at this state, to leave the Kundalini is not a good thing. Because the Kundalini can, at that stage, start moving this side and that side, can, it’s possible. So, it can go to the supra-conscious, or can go to the subconscious, collective subconscious. The siddhis [powers], people get mostly at this stage. Not the shudra siddhis but the higher siddhis. Like, you see, they can predict. They can say, “This is going to happen.” If the Kundalini has moved to the supra-conscious. If the Kundalini has moved to the collective subconscious, then they can start seeing things. A person who is like that, [if] he comes to me, he can see who I was in my previous lives. I do not have to convince them. This is the same thing as anybody who is possessed gets. A person who takes drugs, supposing he is a real alcoholic of the last word and he’s a good soul, means he is still seeking God – such a person can see me in a different form. He can see my past. He can be very much enamoured by me. He would know that I was. Because, you see, people think the past is better than the present always! “Because the past has been much greater than todays.” Though I have never given Realisation to anyone previously but, “It was a great past!” Because human beings are like that. So, he gets enamoured when he sees things like that. This happens with people who are on the subconscious level, if they move out. This happens to people if they move out onto the left-hand side, that is, into the past. Those who move out on the right-hand side can see me as light. They see light. They see all the five elements. They can see me as a waterfall or a iceberg. They start seeing the tanmatra. Now again it’s a Sanskrit word. It means the causal essence, causal essence of the elements. It may help them to get convinced. Because such a person gets convinced about me, no doubt. Such a person is much more convinced than you are. Now, there are so many tantrikas who know who I was, they are afraid of me, they talk about me, they tell about me. There was an ordinary maidservant, who came to my programme and she got into this. She started speaking Sanskrit and she described me completely! Fifteen slokas she said. First time. I never said anything about myself. That’s how it started [the recognition of Mother]. So, at that stage I would not like to leave your Kundalini. Because you can cure people. Curative can be done with your Kundalini, even in the limbic area. I am very anxious, always, that it should come out of the Brahmarandhra. At that stage you start getting the vibrations. But at this stage you are just a Chitta only, and you just touch Sat point. Your attention is only charmed by the Spirit, only the attention part. Spirit, as I told you, is like a flicker of light in a gas lamp, and Kundalini is like a gas which touches the Spirit. And the light of the Spirit spreads in the central nervous system. But only the Chitta part. The outer core is the Chitta, means the attention part. At that stage when the Kundalini opens the Brahmarandhra, at that time what you feel is the vibrations from your hand, and you can feel the another person also, because you become collectively conscious – collectively conscious only! Again, out of the Sat Chit Ananda you just touch the Chitta point. So, you start feeling the Chit of your Chitta becoming the Chitta of the collective consciousness. Means you drop into the ocean of Sat Chit Ananda in which you only feel the collective consciousness. That means you can feel another person’s Kundalini. Yesterday there was another gentleman, as you have seen it, he was arguing with me that we have suspended his intelligence, and all that. I said, “What is this “suspended? I don’t know about this thing.” So, I told him. He said, “I am in a turyadasha.” I said, “If you are in turya you can feel the Kundalini of another person. You cannot certify yourself like that. Can you feel the Kundalini of another person?” He said, “No.” Then I said, “How can you be in the turya? If you go into turya, that means, if you cross this stage, then you have to feel the Kundalini of another person." Now you have seen there are many who can feel it. And they all say the same thing, the same language, whether they are English, Indians or anything. They say the same thing, that, “His chakra, this chakra is catching, that chakra is catching. It is not working.” Because you start seeing your Kundalini, you start seeing the Kundalini of others. Because on the fingers you can feel it. You can feel it on the fingers, what is happening. So, you just feel the Chitta, not the Ananda part. First stage is only Chitta: that you feel the Kundalini of another person, you can raise the Kundalini of another person, you can give Realisation also, after a little while, to another person – of course, my photograph has to be used – but still you can. But the Ananda stage is not yet touched. So, in the beginning you just feel the cool breeze in the hand. You feel the peace, tranquility also. There’s no thought, you feel the thoughtless awareness. But the ananda part is not felt at the first outset. Because now I have studied thousands of human beings and I have seen their problems, and this is a fact. But there are some, as I’ve told you, who reach the last stage – very few, very, very few. But among us we have here one or two persons whom – you can say – who have reached that stage also. They are not aware of it, perhaps, but Anand they can feel it. So [to] the first stage when you come, it is the Chitta stage, the consciousness stage. You touch the Sat, means you start seeing the reality. Is one thing that you are flowing, there’s something flowing. Then you start saying, “It’s going, it’s coming.” Just now you said, “It’s coming.” You didn’t say, “I am receiving, I am giving.” That ‘I’ goes out of your language. But still the ego and superego are not completely gone down. They are still there but your attention has come up and you feel the Chitta. With this collective consciousness you can cure people, you can give them Realisation, as I told you, and also you can feel the Kundalini of any person in the whole world. And also you can cure the Kundalini of that person. I mean cure, not the Kundalini, but I’m saying cure the chakras or improve the chakras of the other person. Sitting down here, you can do it. You can tell about the condition of the Kundalini of another person sitting down here, if you take interest. Wherever you attention goes it works – Chitta. So, your attention becomes universal. Your drop of your attention becomes one with the ocean of Sat Chit Anand [but] out of that, the attention part only. Listen to me for this very carefully because many people at this stage drop out. Only the attention becomes effective wherever they put attention, sitting down here. Now I’ll tell you about a disciple of mine who had come from England. One day he was sitting and was thinking of his father, suddenly he got a burning on his finger, this finger, so he rang up his father. He said, “How are you keeping?” So, the mother said that, “He is very sick, he has got throat trouble.” This boy did something to his finger and all that – the father got alright. He can do it. Now he might think, he is very powerful. He does not. He cannot think that way, he cannot think [that], because, you see, because the hole has been made there [Brahmarandhra]. So he just says, “Mother, I felt it and I did like this and he was alright.” He never says that, “I cured.” ‘I’ do goes out. In the language, in the words that you use you don’t say, “I did it.” You say, “It came. It went. It did. It’s not coming up.” Even then you will also say this, “Mother, today my Agnya is catching.” “Mother, my heart is catching.” They come and say like this about themselves. Now say, Agnya is catching, means it’s a little maddening! But one doesn’t feel bad about it because he’s not attached to his chakras but to his Atma. So he says, as an Atma, he says, “Oh my this chakra is caught, that chakra is caught.” A person now who is suffering, say, from cancer, does not know he is suffering from cancer. But a Realised person who gets his Realisation, his attention will tell him that these chakras are out of gear. And so many chakras out of gear means cancer. He needs not go to the doctor. He can diagnose himself. But he will not diagnose the way the doctors do, that, “You have got the cancer of the heart and cancer of this thing and cancer of that.” But he will say, “It is these chakras are caught up, the left or the right.” Now from where it is coming, how far it is going, he can give the depth of the chakras. Because the chakras start from here to here, and this is the Void. So, the depth of the chakras he can tell you, “It is from here, she’s catching from here.” “She’s catching from there and she’s catching from there.” But there are many abstract things that happen – this is a very important thing. Once you get your Realisation the chiranjivas [angels] surrender. They are watching you. You become their responsibility. All the deities are awakened within you. If you do anything against the deities, immediately they will give you a heat. A person who has got Realisation, if he goes in a place which is not to be seen or which is not to be felt, which is not a good place, or a Guru or somebody like that, immediately he will feel heated up. If he doesn’t run away, if he still goes on and on and on, he’ll lose his vibrations, and he’ll become just like the other person. So, it’s a very transitory state still because still, at this point, the repulsion is not so great that the man does not accept it. Because if you accept it, you become just like that. If you do not accept it, that maybe little bodily problem you might have, you might little bit burn your fingers or might get little burning here or something like that. But if you are not afraid of these bodily things, and if you do not want to accept it, then you start rising higher. But, as I told you, all the chiranjivas start guiding you, looking after you. If there is one Realised person in a train, there cannot be an accident, and if there is an accident nobody will die in that train. If a Realised soul… Yogi/Seeker: They can be wounded. Shri Mataji: Ah, wounded, can be. But see, we remember we have seen of one incident where it happened: they were so slightly wounded that they didn’t take them to the hospital, any one of them. I mean, a little bit scratching might have been but, that’s what they told me. There was one Realised soul who was traveling by train which collided near Thane [Mumbai] or some place. Then, if a Realised soul is walking on the road. And now, a Realised soul who is in nirvichara I am saying. You see, we have to grade them up! Walking on the road and if he sees a mishap, his attention goes there, immediately the mishap is averted. Yogi/Seeker: Accident cannot happen then? Shri Mataji: Yes; if he sees a mishap, then it is averted. Attention- you see, his attention he’s been blessed. Now, this is, for a scientist, cannot understand. Seeker: But he is being guided by internal God. Then he can’t do anything by himself. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no! The internal Gods are his own part and parcel! As you can say, “I am guided by my brain so I can’t do anything else.” You see, Gods are your internal parts, your Self. What is self left then? What is your Self? Seeker: When you are united. Shri Mataji: When you are united with that, then you are finished now. You become a hollow personality. Then you do not have this feeling of self. Then all the time what you say, “It is happening, “It is going,” “It is flowing,” “It is working.” 'It': you can even say like this; this little girl says 'Pragnya'. She says, “This Pragnya won’t go, she’s very obstinate. Just now her Agnya is caught so she won’t go.” She stands outside from herself and she criticises herself. She says, “Her Agnya is caught; she won’t go, she is very obstinate”. She is not Pragnya. Even children say like that, many a times, if you notice, like a third person. You start looking at yourself as a third person. You do not identify your Self with yourself. It happens like that. You will see these people how they are working. Then also there is a part of little enjoyment, which you must know, the joy – Anand. You see, normally you will find most of the Sahaja yogis will gather round a person who is a Realised-soul, who is Realising, who is not a difficult person. Moreover, if there is somebody who comes on my foot, who is a very great soul: I’ll tell you, in Calcutta I went there, and I was staying in a hotel, and there was a very nice man who came to see me. He was not Realised but a very saintly person with a great purva sampada, and he just touched my feet, and other Sahaja Yogis with other rooms they all rushed there! I said, “Why did you come?” He said, “Great joy started coming within us so we came.” And they were standing. He was all the time on my foot and they were standing. I said, “Neither is he going to leave me nor you are going to leave me!” For fifteen minutes he was just drinking the nectar of my feet and they were enjoying his nectar and the fragrance of it. So, the joy of enjoying another human being also starts. So, the three things. How you enjoy nirvichar samadhi as they call? 'Samadhi'doesn’t mean going into unconscious but the unconscious becomes conscious. Whatever is not yet conscious becomes conscious. The unconscious, the Universal Unconscious becomes conscious. So, this is the first stage when it takes. There are many things like this and variety of things happen. Supposing you have been doing lot of light puja, what you call the jyoti puja, in your previous life then you can see my vibrations. There are two, three people who can see my vibrations coming, going; they see all the movement. Supposing you have been doing Devi puja. Say you are at Devi puja: you have a sampada [wealth] of that, of a Devi puja. Then you see something of Devi’s pramaan [evidence] as you can say. You can see that also. That is a better thing than to see before [Realisation] because if you see before Realisation [it] means you are a possessed person, somebody is giving you, ideas. After Realisation [if] you start seeing certain things, then it has some meaning. So, the gradual growth of the flower starts. Then the second stage, where you become Nirvikalpa, where there is no vikalpa [doubt]. Just now in Delhi there are very few who are like that, very few, because, first of all, by temperament they are vikalpis. The reason is, here is a complete atmosphere of vikalpa. If you say something another one will pull you down by saying something else. So, the thing is, the whole atmosphere is so vikalpi that you are not yet subtle about it, about the Sahaja Yoga, still in vikalpa. But we have some very great Sahaja yogis also in Delhi, very great. So, the vikalpa is there. Now you will say, “How do you become Nirvikalpa?” Supposing you are in the water, you are afraid of getting drowned. You are picked up and put in the boat, so you are not afraid of becoming drowned. But when are you settled? When you are settled. I mean, it is such a state that – when are you settled in a boat? When you are settled in a boat! I mean, that’s how I can answer it. You have to be settled. But, with that, you get certain powers. Your Kundalini starts showing. We have, in Bombay, some people whose Kundalini is at least one foot higher, one foot higher. You can see. You can it. I mean you may not, but so many people can see that. And they are a very deep people, very deep. At the Nirvikalpa state the Collective Consciousness becomes very subtle – subtler, subtler. At that stage you can understand very deep significances of things and the reality starts becoming clearer. For example: You start understanding the working of the Kundalini. You start understanding how it penetrates. You start understanding how it works out. You can use it for experimentation. With your own hand you can move it as you like it. You can cure people and you can show the Kundalini is working in different ways. You can combine, and permutations and combinations of Kundalini you can do. You can say, that in the first year of music, you just learn the seven notes and two others notes, just that, and ordinary ragas. But when you grow subtler and higher, then you know all the minute points, how to create. So, at the Nirvikalpa you need not put your hand towards a person, nothing. Sitting down you know where it is, what is happening, who is catching, what is the problem, what is the collective problem! Then you have no doubts about Sahaja Yoga, nor about Kundalini, nor about anything; no doubts at all. But at that time, you start experimenting with it. You start using it. Mastery starts. At this stage the Chitta, the consciousness, becomes subtler. Now, somebody was sitting with me. Outside they knew that, “This gentleman is going to get Realisation.” They knew that Mother was giving Realisation to someone. Such people are very satisfied people. They do not grudge and grumble about small things. They do not enter into small things at all. They are not bothered. They live in a big way. They are not touched. Their attention is [not] in the gross. They have no time for outside gross things. So, their attention is very deep into the subtle forms. They are not bothered. Such people are satisfied souls. Such people are the ones who are going to create a pillar for Sahaja Yoga. Because when somebody sees such a person, a transformed person like that, [they are] shocked. He says, “Look at this man! He’s such a great person, and he was such a horrid man, and how has he become like this? How is he transformed?” At this stage, at the Nirvikalpa state, the vibrations emit. Then you can sit with me here, you start. Then there is no questioning at all. And such a man can get into a terrible temper if he sees somebody misbehaving with me. He can’t bear misbehaving with me. Christ said, “Forgive all those, because they do not know what they are doing.” But supposing they had done anything against His Mother, He would not have forgiven even this much, I can tell you, even this much. And in the Bible it is written that, “Nothing will be tolerated against the Holy Ghost!” And Holy Ghost is His own Mother, is the Adi Shakti. (End of audio for transcript verification.) Hence you cannot tolerate anything against your Mother or Sahaj yoga and one can get into a tremendous temper or a samhara shakti which they develop. It is said that such a man if anybody tries to do some harm, he will immediately bring him down through their devotion towards their Mother. We have a notion that a realised person should never lose his temper. It is a very wrong idea. Then you will say, “Why Krishna killed Jarasandha? Why did he kill Kansa?” How do you explain the violence of Krishna? How do you explain Devi who killed demons when she came and got into her Temper? She used to get into tremendous temper and then she used to kill. The temper of Shiva! How do you explain this? It is a foolish idea to say that they should not get into the temper even if someone tries to kill them. Even Christ had to take the whip () in his hand and drive them away. You have a right to get into a temper, if you are in a Nirvikalpa state since you are given that right of even raising one’s own voice when need arises. I am using all the ayudhas, if you have noticed in my hand, the Chakra, the parasha etc. They are there and I have to use them and you cannot stop me from using them. This is what I say that by reading people don’t understand things. A man who is quietly sitting and is being pestered by everybody is called a realised person. What nonsense! How dare you spite at such a man? Is the spite of a Devi to be borne by a realised soul? To say that a realised soul should not get into a temper is a wrong thing! Now all those rishis I have talked about and all those people who have talked about me and whose names I have given you, they are all above Nirvikalpa, but they are very hot tempered. These saints cannot tolerate hypocrisy but I can and I have to. No rakshas can go near them but if anybody goes, they are put into a noose and are hanged on the tree. That’s why I say never go near the babaji! They are higher people, no doubt, better than you all are and they know me very well and they fall at my feet. They are very innocent and simple like children to me. More important is Shri Ganesha. If he gets angry it is not so easy to control him. It is easier to control Shri Shiva’s but not Ganesh’s anger. Beware of him. That is why during Kundalini Awakening, you get burning sensation and you start dancing or jumping, all this is Ganesha’s anger. If you have insulted him by any chance, or insulted his Mother, He gets into a tremendous fury. It is true that after Nirvikalpa, the Ganesha becomes really jagrut [awakened]. Such a person is not tempted by any women. No temptation for another women will exist, except for his own wife, where he goes on living like a celebrated husband, because husband and wife are united in a bond of matrimony. Otherwise, he is a sanctified householder. He does not have temptation for any alcohol or anything like smoking and is beyond temptation. A Nirvikalpa man cannot have any temptation. One man came to me and told me that he was a Realised-soul. I said, “How can it be? If you are a realised Soul, how are you taking to these things? You cannot!” Now for me, I will tell you, it is an impossibility. I have never taken anything. Once my doctor gave me a little brandy as a medicine. I don’t know why, but he felt like giving it to me without informing me; due to which I vomited so much of blood, since my stomach is religious or sacred. If I see a woman who has dressed provocatively or something like that or sometimes, I have to accompany my husband to parties and they start a cabaret or some such thing, immediately I start getting vomiting sensation like hell and more. So, when we are the chief guest, I make their lives miserable since something happens in my stomach when I see these half-dressed women. Now what can I do with my stomach is the point because the dharma is born within our stomach. So, the stomach becomes the dharma itself. At this stage the subtle style of things starts. Your Mooladhara becomes chastity itself. It just cannot bear these things. You don’t have to tell them. They have just no interest in such women. They do not flirt nor have they any interest in all these things. They do not bother too much to dress up in such a way that they would be very attractive to other women or men and at that time they believe like very simple people. They get to simplicity dignified. Then suddenly they become very creative also. There is one gentleman in Bombay who got into Nirvikalpa state. He came to me when he was jobless. So I told him, “Why don’t you start interior decoration work?” He said that he did not know different types of wood nor could differentiate between one type and another so what could he do? I said, “Now, you are in Nirvikalpa so start it.” Today he is a very rich man. It just becomes dynamic, because you start seeing the beauty, the saundarya of the nature. You see, aesthetics are born in a person who is a Realised Soul. He starts seeing aesthetics in everything. The beauty of talking improves. The movements of the hands improve and your style also improves. You become a beautiful person aesthetics come in. You can become suddenly a great poet. We have two people like that who have written beautiful poems, and you can also be a great painter if you are already a painter. You get new ideas about painting, new aesthetics. In music, you start understanding absolutely. You may not know what classical music is but you will start understanding the subtle music. From the classical music you will know which is the best for your Atma. You see the Atma starts judging everything on that level. If you appoint such a person to judge a drama or a painting, whether it is good or bad, he will correctly judge it good or bad. Then you put his selection to all the critics of the world and they will say it is the best judgment Now, you will ask me, “How does he know?” Because he can feel by vibrations and complete harmony in everything. You give him a Statue of a deity and ask him all about this statue whether it is alright or not. He might say that it is not alright. You can feel the subtle vibrations, whether it is in dharma or otherwise. Now can we say say that Ashta-vinayakas [eight Ganesh Swayambus] are living Gods? How do you know? Jyotirlingas are living. How will you know unless you know the integration of all the great souls together? And how are you going to judge them? That is why you must get Realisation. This is what my father told me. I should say he was my first Guru, as he was a realised soul. He told me, “It is of no use talking about realities etc., because you will create another Bible or Gita. You do a practical thing. You find out a mass-media.” and I knew that was my mission So I worked on everybody’s Kundalini and tried to find out permutations, combinations, of their mistakes and why these people are like this. You will be surprised that so many-people never knew that they were even in Nirvichara. They did not know that they were highly placed Spirits. If they would have known, then they would not have told many things which have conditioned you. They have said, “Sach bolo!” [speak the truth.] Who is going to speak truth? They did not know what Human beings are? They are incarnations, a great people. They did not know much about the human beings and how cunning they are or how they are all the time against each other. They could not come to the subtle human level. For that one has to have a human self-realisation, as I now have. As such I know human beings but some things, of course, I do not understand. When you get into the Nirvikalpa state, the Ananda starts settling in you. When you see cities, any beautiful picture or scene, immediately what you find is a great flow of Ananda coming down. This is the Grace that you are just lost into it; like the Ganges flowing over you, you are completely drowned into it. Your Consciousness becomes Ananda. In reality you come to know that till now we have never known there is a Sarvavyapi Shakti but now we are aware of the same. We can feel it coming in our fingers. This is the Reality. There is Chaitanya all around us, which thinks, which understands, organises and loves us. All this you come to know the knowledge part of it. Then the Ananda which is the Hridaya starts emitting it. Later on, what you get is Valaya into Ananda. At that stage complete Self-realisation takes place. At that stage you can control the sun, you can control the moon, you can control every element. Beyond that there is God’s Realisation. There are three stages to that also. But just now I have told about this Sat-Chit-Ananda state. The God’s Realisation is the stage which, Gautam Buddha and Mahavira only had achieved and settled down in our brain. Christ is also here. These two are not incarnations. They are born as Human beings. They were born to Sita, as Lava and Kusha. Then they were born as Buddha and Mahavira and Adi Shakti was their Mother once again. Later on, they were born to Fatimabai as Hassan and Hussein. They are the two milestones you have got, by which you can know to what height a Human being can rise. Now today they are like incarnations. There are other styles of personalities like Chiranjivas, Bhairava, Ganesha. There are all incarnations. Hanumana later on appeared as Gabriel the Angel. Bhairavnath came as Saint Michael. The names are different, but they are the same personalities. Devi has also incarnated. There is no doubt about it. The scientist will not understand this but a Sahaja Yogi can. Because they can immediately feel their vibrations and can ask questions. You can ask questions about me also and you will get the vibrations. For that at least your Deities have to rise and say “Yes”. You may or you may not get Realisation but the answer you will definitely get. May God bless you! H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Sat Chit Anand, Advice given on 15th February 1977 at New Delhi. [Translation from Hindi] ….. anybody picks up a pen and starts writing. Most of the writers, most of them, have self-interests vested. They have some or other interests like befooling people, making money or showing off etc. By grace of almighty few great saints have been there and they also wrote something. However, they did not publish anything themselves but later their scripts were published, for example Kabir Das ji, Guru Nanak, Ramdas Swami, Tukaram. In ancient times, we had Sage Valmiki, Yog Vashishtha and many other saints. But people would find it difficult to identify right and wrong ones amongst them all. Thirdly we have Swami Markandey and Adi Shankaracharya. We call ourselves Hindu, this and that but no one reads Adi Shankaracharya’s work. Even after reading it no one could understand him well. He was such a big devotee of Mother that he won’t do anything other than offering prayers to Mother. All the time he kept praying to Mother Bhagwati and he knew nothing else. He would suggest only to pray to the Mother and anything shall be done. And this is absolutely correct. He said whatever Yoga etc. you do, will not help you find Divine. You can find [divine] only when Mother endows Her blessings, otherwise you just can’t find Him. He mentioned this very clearly. But in our country, everyone is practicing Hatha-Yoga. What Hatha yoga you people are practicing? It is something not meant for family people. Here they have made it compulsory. Yesterday cops came to check out, if we teach Hatha-yoga. It’s like Hindi Idiom: Karela Neem Chadha – Bitter gourd flavoured with Neem.” Hath Yogis are so angry people that God save us. Their wives just run away. You look at any Hath Yogi, Hath Yoga enters the house and wife runs away, and the man runs after with stick. And if wife becomes Hath Yogini then God save, her man is in trouble. Because it is prohibited to practice it while leading a worldly life. It is practiced very carefully in celibacy under guidance of a Guru, following six strict regimes of Rules and regulations [Yam, Niyam] etc. Now, whoever studies Hath-Yoga, comes over and starts lecturing me on this matter that, "Mataji so is written in that book." Oh dear, who has authored that book? Now amongst those people who is right or wrong, who is real or fake? Amongst real ones also there are two types. One, who are still searching for God and second those who have found. Those who are still searching, what’s the point in studying their work, as they are still searching? If a blind follows another blind person, what’s the point? Those who have already found the God, study their work, e.g., Kabir Das ji, Guru Nanak ji. If you talk about Surdasji, I would say no. Surdasji wrote good poetry of separation [emotional/virah]. He sang separation [emotional poetry], but you must read one, who talks about Union. One who talks about Union, actually only such person can show you the path because he has already found it. Nowadays everyone is like that, so many such people have cropped up all over. You just mentioned about J. Krishmurty. But he does not talk about Union. He is actually a very disconcerted individual. He knows nothing. He is just seeking in dark and making everyone else (his followers) fall down flat. And whoever reads his books, starts singing the same tune. Just by talking you don’t get God Almighty, this event has to happen within. In Sahaja, this event takes place within us, due to which our Attention enters a new dimension, a new event takes place within. Until this happens, what are we talking? Just singing Krishnamurty’s tunes? He is like a blind man and so are you. I keep listening with surprise to all big things this boy is talking all over, that this happens, that happens in this. If I ask who said this, answer is Krishnamurty. Now, Krishnamurty is not realized soul for sure. If he was in real, won’t talk like this. A realized soul talks with authority that, "It’s like this, that, and see this." Take case of anyone. Krishna said “Leave all Religions [Dharmas], duties, and come in my shelter [surrender to me].” He had no fears and said very clearly. Christ said “I am the door, I am the path, (inaudible), I am the Light”. He was not afraid of anyone, just said that, "I AM". How Kabira has said, “I will take control of all five elements, will tie them all with a single thread”. How courageous! He said.. “I will DO it.” It’s not that he had to coax in front of Almighty “Hey God, I did not…” One who has found it, why would he sing song of separation [Viraha]? So, if you say that we must read all, it’s wrong. If you are seeking, then read someone who has already found it. Now if you are seeking and the other person [author/writer] is also seeking, if you read such a person’s work, you will also go into ditch along with that person. Assume that he is already in ditch, then you will also fall. How would you know whether he is right or not? So now you have read J. Krishnamurty, he has not mentioned anywhere that, “I have found it" or "I had such experience.” The enjoyment we get in reading work of such people is because he is in sorrow and we are also in sorrow just like him. We enjoy Surdas’s bhajans because we are seeking God and he is also seeking in a way coaxing to Almighty that, "When will you meet?" And if someone is singing songs of union [with God], we don’t like it. Because one feels jealous that, "See he has already found God and see we are still just here." New Seeker: Krishnamurty talks of fundamental revolution (not clear) too. Shri Mataji: He just talks. Right! Ya ya. Son, talking is one thing and actually doing is another. He only talks. How does it help? You will also talk. Talks and only talks. Blah blah blah… Times of just talks is behind us. Now it’s time to do something, to act, to see something. New seeker: Until someone shows us something practically, we don’t know what’s right or wrong, we just keep studying all. Shri Mataji (amusingly): See, I am working so hard on you, I have already poured so much of oil upon you. If you say I will massage you too. (Jokes and laughs.) See it is like this, one has to be 'Nirachir Vichar' [not sure of meaning]. If you say that, "I want to try everything", then how your Mother would be able to stop you? You try everything, how can I stop you? I will not so No to everyone. But Divine is only one and finding him is also only one thing. Being one with Him is the only work we have, rest all is meaningless, this is true. Anything else if you want to do, then keep trying… You will try all in this birth or next but when will you try this thing? If someone asks me, I would say that follow only this and get it. I have nothing to do with anything else. Alright. And if trying something else benefits you, I would definitely say go ahead, Son. But it does not work, see it has only caused damage. Now you see, you have been trying hard three days and right in front of you so many people have got it, but only you could not get. Is it not true? I don’t have to settle any scores with you, right? But you have not got it. But okay, on first day I think you had got it but later you caught up [negativity]. Other seeker: I have the same problem. Shri Mataji: Yes, you also have same issue and there is a reason behind it. You have studied it all and they all are sitting inside your minds. That’s why I call them bhoots [ghosts, negativity]. Seeker: Please cleanse me today. Shri Mataji: That’s fine. I will cleanse you today but you should follow a different route to home today, not only this I will get your dress also changed. (Mother laughs and then reassures seekers) Don’t worry, it’s okay, today I will cleanse you. Actually, what to say but falsehood sticks very quickly but truth does not. One has to earn it hard and establish himself in truth. Truth has its own prestige. Mosquitos will be after you, wherever you go, because they have to suck your blood. But if you have to visit a king then one has to take permission, it would have some protocols, one has to buy good clothes, take prior appointment, one has to go very gracefully and bow your head before king. Truth is one like that, which is self-glorified. That Truth has such a big prestige that you have to bow your head. If you show arrogance, Truth will not accept you but you have to accept the truth. But falsehood will catch you very quick. If you just found Truth here, you visit that place and falsehood will immediately catch you. This falsehood catches so fast. just like dust. This dust sticks very fast but cleansing takes time. That’s the problem and that’s how you caught some negativity yesterday. You had got it yesterday but then again you had some catches. One should not catch, if you go little deep inside then you would not catch again. You must go deep, Sahaja Yoga is for those who have depth, not for superficial people. Those who know everything superficially, Sahaja yoga is not for such people. If you want your welfare/bliss, then you must go down deep. Have to go deep. However, I don’t test you people like other Gurus, I don’t torture you. Just look at other Gurus. Let me tell you an instance, in Ambarnath [holy place of Lord Shiva] there was a Guru and he had a poor disciple Jagannath Ji called Baba Jagannathji. He sent Jagannathji to a place near Bombay, known as Ambarnath. He was told to do penance for 12 years there. After 12 years Shri Mataji will herself come there and clear his Agnya Chakra, which was caught. Just think about it. After 12 years, I went to Ambarnath, as I had a program there. Jagannathji arrived there and said, "Shri Mataji my Guru had told me like this before and he himself has arrived here too." I said okay. When I went there, asked his Guruji that his Agnya Chakra had to be cleared, "Why didn’t you do that?" On this he replied, “Let him die.” I asked, “Why let him die?”. He says, “I have earned it so hard and was able to open my Agnya Chakra after so long. Why should I grant him just like that?”. There was no Love. Then I cleared his Agnya Chakra. So Guruji said, "He will catch again." Then I asked, "Why will he catch?" On this Guruji replied that because he smokes. I asked him, "Why don’t you ask him not to smoke?" He says, "Let him die." He had reservations even in telling to that person not to smoke. He says, "Why should I tell him? Let him learn himself. He must learn himself." And if I say something to you people, you feel bad about it. I tell you people just because this is against your Dharma [righteousness], This, this is not right, you should not do it. All those [Gurus] tell me, there are many such. One is in Pondicherry, another in Kalikat. Instead, other way round they tell me that there is no use of working on these people, these people belong to this world [society] are all very worldly [materialistic]. They will get it today and get lost tomorrow, then again get it just to lose it again. They are not going to be established in it (realization). And I have to show them that these same people will get it. And they have got it, they are well established. You have seen how these people are, these 6-7 people have come from England, like them there are others too, about 20-25 in all. They are very solid, well established people [Sahaja Yogis]. To find Divine, one has to establish himself. It’s not something like, you can buy it from any shop. It’s not like that. One has to establish himself. And for whom, our own benevolence. What benevolence will happen to Mataji? I am one beyond benevolence, only you have to be blessed. You only are going to get it, you must establish in it, go little deep. Some or the other deformity is anyways there. However, many people get realization but then their boat keeps tottering unsteadily, they don’t get established. Now I told some of them after they got realization that we do take a treatment of photograph. This photograph of mine emits vibrations, just keep your hands opened towards photograph, your both legs in water and add some salt in water. Do this for seven days so that you will get established to good extent. Because by doing this, your faith improves as vibrations get better and all those impurities [internal] are cleansed [in water]. It’s because you come across many impure things every day in this world. There is another person, who lives in Gagangarh. He told these people that he has been doing penance ever since he was in state of a frog, "I did penance for thousands of years, only then I got these vibrations and Shri Mataji is giving you vibrations so early. What have you done? All of you are useless. Tell me how many of you would give life for Mataji?" Now all these boys got scared. Not these people but there was a poor man, who used to trouble me a lot, so I told him to go and see this Maharaj as he had asked to send someone. Then after 15-20 days this poor man returned, he walked up to me with both legs hanging by his neck. I said, "What’s all this?" On this he started saying, "This Maharaj is a showman or what?" I asked, "What did he do?" He told, "This Maharaj roams around riding on a lion and his lion threw me down. He did not give me food for 4 days, broke my both legs, starved me for four days, then on fifth day he offered me four rotis [bread]. After that he told me, 'To carry these broken legs on my neck to your Mataji, only she will cure you. I will throw you down again otherwise'." Therefore, you must also cooperate little bit and you must understand that while living in this world, walking amid amongst common people many types of negative thoughts, negative powers are all active around us. In this Kali Yuga sixteen devils have taken birth, the big ones who were killed by Devi. Even killing them is of no use, as they all are back with all their weapons. They have returned in even more nasty forms and trying to enter into your psyche. All kinds of businesses are going on, some of them have come in disguise of gods, and they are very affluent. They have so much of money that they can buy you also. And when you pour money who will say a word? Once money is shown, you get sold out. They have very big organisations; our very senior retired officers are their secretaries. They can buy anyone on their wish but they all are devils. Definitely devils! They are worst of devils and are well described in Devi-mahatma [holy book]. They all are sitting on our heads and we have to honour/accept them. Because they have earned great publicity, their style is different, they would hypnotise you, mesmerise you and you all start running after them. It’s okay for them as they don’t have any conscious, wisdom or intellect. They have no fear of God, they have been to hell thousands of times and have built immunity now. They feel nothing, what can be done? Anyways hell is all full there and what’s point in sending them to hell now? Only you people will have to accept Truth in your total freedom. In Total freedom. How can I enforce it on you? Even if we make someone a king forcefully, would he sit there? In Sahaja Yoga, many things have become very simple in its current form. Sahaja Yoga has been there since eternity. I will tell you later in what all forms Sahaja yoga has been there. But in current form of Sahaja Yoga, many things have become simple except one thing is scarce, or as in English language we call it 'loophole', is that even Divine is surrendered to the freedom on human being. In this, my hypnosis is not at all possible. I can’t put you in any illusion. You must remain in your conscious, follow your own intellect. You must take full permission of Self before stepping towards Divine, nobody can push you for this. If you understand this thing, Sahaja yoga will be very beneficial to you within no time that, “Your freedom is well respected.” [English] Today I’m going to tell you, yesterday I told you, what are the mental stratas or what is the totality of man. Whatever I have told you about it, about the totality of man, all his four sides, is: on top is the super-consciousness, on the right-hand side is the supra-conscious state, and this side is the sub-conscious state, and down below is the hell. You can see that after Realisation, not before. Before it, if I tell you that this man is not correct, that man is correct, you are not going to like it. You will think that I am criticising someone. Why should I criticise? One person I say he’s good, another person is not good. Later on, once you are Realised and you have gone deep into it, then you become so sensitive that even the name of such a person gives you a heat in the hand, you start burning, you don’t like it. So, this strata of super-consciousness, I told you, I will be discussing today. Because yesterday we discussed it too. Now you might say that, “We must do even the collective subconscious and also this collective supra-conscious, we should try to do everything.” But you are side-tracked. Not only [that] but you are affected, you are hurt. But the worst part of the whole thing is that after human state, if you go to any one of these stratas, you go to the pishacha state. On the left-hand side you become a pishacha, and on the right-hand side you become a rakshasa. Even after Realisation a person like Ravana became a rakshasa. He was a Realised-soul. He was a Brahmin, no doubt, he was. But even after that, you see, he had such a weakness for women. When he tried to do that, again he fell down, he became a rakshasa. The trouble is, after this state, you become either a superman, or a what you call 'the devata' or, you can say, the Realised-soul, or you become a rakshasa. So, you have to choose. Now human state is such a state that either you go this way, that way, or you go to hell. And when you go to the extremes you come down to hell. Supposing you have been to somebody who has been a tantrika. Take the case of a tantrika. He has been trying all these things and all that – unknowing. Also, he does not know he’s a tantrika. Supposing you have been to him. [When] you come to me, immediately we find out that there has been a problem with you. If you go to a Realised-soul, immediately I will know that he has been. Today one gentleman came to me. I asked him, “Who is your Guru?” And he told me his name. He’s a Realised-soul, I know. In Kanchi, the Shankaracharya of Kanchi, the old one. He’s a Realised-soul. Not the new one. The new one is not. None of them are, except for one, the Kanchi one. When he told me I said, “You will get your Realisation, no problem!” Because if he’s a Realised-soul, they will have no complications. He got his Realisation; he was alright in no time. So, no question. But if you go to, say, somebody else who is a tantrika, bend your head before that, you can’t get your Realisation. Now, there is nothing to criticise. Why should I? I mean, I am not a politician. I don’t want anything. I don’t want any money. Nothing. I don’t have to know even about Kundalini. I know each and every thing about it! Absolutely complete! I don’t have to have anything from you. Then why should I say that this man is not alright? Because I can, even a child can, say it. If a child is Realised, he will say it. My granddaughter she went in Ladakh to see some lama. She went to Ladakh and saw the lamas' place. These lamas are, none of them are Realised. Surprisingly none of them are Realised! It’s a fact. I am telling you. If they were Realised, I would have said, “They are Realised,” but if they are not, I will say, “They are not.” Pope is not a Realised person. This is not politics. This is Absolute Truth. So, this little girl – she was hardly that time three or four years of age – so she looked at him and said, “Yeh, kya sar munay ke chauga pinaa ke, aise ban ki waite hai. Karam kaige.” Immediately she said it because she could feel it. She’s a child! We had once a program, and another granddaughter of mine she had come, and a big "sadhu baba" in Bombay. I will not name him, because you all know him. He is not a Guruji but he’s running a big mission there. He was sitting on the dais [stage] and this my granddaughter was sitting with someone in front – she’s a small girl, very small; now she’s hardly five-and-a-half; that time she might be about four-and-a-half or so. She saw from there this gentleman sitting there. They had called me as a chief guest and he was the Chairman or something like that. So, she saw from there. She said, “Nanny, nanny yeh jo maxi-panti baitha, is ko baga bahar to sab garam garam aar raha hai. Waha se chill aa rahe!” It was so embarrassing (Hindi) He’s telling you the Truth; why do you call him obstinate? He’s a very brilliant boy, very brilliant. (Hindi) He’s so particular and one day he was saying that, “(Hindi).” Just he can’t bear it. One father came to see my brother, and my brother was about to touch his feet. He said, “If you would have touched his feet otherwise, I would have hit the father very nicely. Why should you touch his feet?” So, you see, the thing is, this is the Absolute Knowledge. It is the Knowledge by which you know what is the Truth, what is not the Truth. Seeker: We people, having limited consciousness, anybody talks about wisdom… Shri Mataji: I know. That is the reason why I am so sorry. You see, why my attitude is very different from these Gurus is, I don’t say that you spoil yourself, “Go to this one, go to this one. Alright, die there!” You see, I don’t say like that. I am looking after you because I know you are seekers. And I feel sorry because the seekers have suffered. I feel very sorry. Now the hippies abroad – you see my centre is just in the centre of the hippie village. Why? Because I know they are the seekers. Poor things, they are suffering because they are the seekers. All my sympathies, all my heart goes to them because they are the seekers. You know how much I am working with you. You know that very well. Because I realise that you are a seeker and, in your ignorance, you have gone to these people. Now you can say that, “Why didn’t God give us this sensitivity?” God had. God had given you. Human beings, you were very sensitive at the time of Sitaji. At the time of Radhaji also they were very sensitive. But now man, in his freedom, has become so materialistic. What impresses is a good dress, good features, big car. Somebody coming in a big car – “Oh big thing!” We are becoming, day-by-day, very gross. This is the reason. And this grossness has grown into us. That’s why you do not feel it. But there are many people, I tell you, who could not bear J. Krishnamurti. They said, “Oh he’s singing! What are we to get from him?” It’s a simple [thing] you see. Use your brains. Either use your sensitivity of your heart or use your brains. God has given you brains. If you read J.Krishnamurti you’ll know [whether] he’s seeking. It’s very easy to find out the one who is seeking and the one who is not seeking. Yesterday that singer was singing all the viraha ke songs [songs of longing/separation]. Then he got Realised and I said, “Now don’t sing viraha. Now you’ve got it.” But still [if] he goes on [with] viraha, so God will say, “Alright, let him not have his vibrations.” So, you lose his vibrations. In small things I have seen [that] people lose their vibrations. Such a precious thing has been brought down to them, and for a small thing they lose it. There was a man who got Realisation and he went somewhere, Kashi or some place. From there he bought some black thread and he was wearing it. Now see the human mind, you say that we are, but this is stupidity. There, he gave that black thread to him. Now what is a black thread? You tell me what is the worth of a black thread? He lost his vibrations. When he came to me, I said, “My son, throw away this black thread.” He cannot throw. He said, “No, no, no, no. I cannot throw black thread.” I said, “Now what to do?” I said, “Who has given you this black thread? Use your brains.” I spent one hour discussing with him, then he threw the black thread. I said, “This man has taken, for this one small, little thing, five rupees from you. You must know this man is making money. His bad vibrations hang out. And why are you attached to it?" Now do you know why he’s attached? Because he’s possessed by that. What is there in a black thread? You tell me. And he’s an educated man! He’s not a foolish man. That thread he could not throw. You see you are attached to these small, small things of life and not to the eternal things. That’s why, that’s why you lose it. I don’t ask you to sacrifice anything, I don’t even ask you to throw away anything. I don’t say that you give up anything. There are people who smoke, drink. I don’t even say [about] that, because I know – even if I say that, they will run away. I know that. Human beings are like that. I please you. I plead. I chastise. I chide you. I do everything. But you must know one thing, that I want that you should stick onto Reality. I will not allow you to have falsehood within you. There are methods that a Mother employs. There was a great smoker who came to me and he told me, “I cannot give up smoking that’s why I can’t come to Sahaja yoga.” I said, “No, no, you don’t give up smoking! You can come to me. There’s no need for you to give up Sahaja Yoga.” He came, and you know what happened, a lot of smoke started coming from his nose and mouth and things. He started getting the fragrance of udbatti [incense]. He said, “What’s this happening?” I said, “All your smoke is coming back!” Now whenever he smoked, he used to get that fragrance of udbatti, [so] he gave up! I play some tricks also to help you. But it’s for your good only. If it is for your hita, for your kalyana, you should not mind. There was a question: people said that, “It is said that: ‘Say the Truth and also it should be pleasing – priyam’." How can you say satya [truth] and priyam [pleasing] together? Because if you say some satya people don’t like it. It is not priyakar. Because supposing I say, “You give up this habit of yours!” Then you don’t like it. But that is a fact. If I say, “You don’t do this job. It is not a good job; you should not do it.” So, you don’t like it. So, what to do? So, Krishna has found out: He says that, “You tell them the hitam.” 'Hitam' is 'in between'. Whatever is hita for your Atma must be told. So, though it may not be priya just now, after some time it becomes priya. Because he realises, “What I have got out of you.” Of course, I don’t want to lose any one of you, I do not want you to lose your vibrations in any way. Never! How can I want it? I want you to have it. But you must know what your mind is up to. Yesterday one gentleman was here; his Kundalini could not rise because he has had a some sort of an obsession. See the human mind how it works. Then he showed me a photograph. I was telling, “I will not tell you.” He was after my life, “You tell me what is this, what happened to me? I had become like this for three days. I went into trance. I had these things.” I didn’t want to tell him, because I know it would upset him. So, I gave it [the photo] to one of these Sahaja yogis. They started burning their hands! They gave him back. Still, he was after my life, “You must tell me! You must tell me!” So, I told him. I told him, “You are very possessed!” He was so angry with me. He was telling, “This is not Kundalini this can be anything!” "You can see the Kundalini rising, you can see this breathing of it, you can see the rising of it, you can see the acting of it, you can see the people who know about it, who know about collective consciousness." But he got angry with me for that and he went away. Now what am I to do? You see yourself in this. This is the darpana [mirror] I am showing you! There was another fellow who came – you have seen that hatha yogi. He was a police-walla [policeman]. So I told him, “You have read Patanjali?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “In Patanjali it is said that it is not meant for householders. It is meant for Sanyasies who are sitting in the jungles with a Guru. It’s yama, niyama, brahmacharya and everything. He said, “Yes, it’s true. There are eight things [ashtanga] to be done.” I said, “Are you doing eight things?” He said, “No.” “What is your relationship with your wife?” “She’s run away.” “Then?” “I have become very hot-tempered. Even my Guru is a big, hot-tempered man.” “Now you are teaching this to police people? God save us!” Oh God! They will have no heart left because if you do Hatha Yoga the heart becomes just like this. You have seen Durvasa and that horrible fellow Vishwamitra. Do you want to become that? They had no love for anyone. I have seen all these Hatha Yogis. I wish they married, all of them. Those who are sitting in the jungle, who are Realised souls. They have no heart. They have no feeling. I’ve told you what is their feeling. They have no karuna [compassion] within themselves. They just say, “You are a Mother so you have the karuna.” No, but what about all the great saints – they had karuna. They were married people. All the Hatha Yogis, if you find anybody who’s doing Hatha Yoga, whether a wife or a husband, they can never live with this, because all the chakras are spoiled; no brahmacharya is there. (Someone asks some questions in Hindi, Mother scolds them in Hindi for a few minutes.) Seeker: I have some personal problem. I would like some of your time, tomorrow, day after. Half an hour’s time after the program. Shri Mataji: You have some problem of Kundalini or what? Doubts? Seeker: I have some doubts I want to clarify. Shri Mataji: Doubts – first of all, did you get your Realisation?” Seeker: No it’s not a question of getting realisation, but I was doing something; I would like to talk to you about it. Shri Mataji: You have been doing something? (Hindi)’ Seeker: I have given it up. Shri Mataji: Don’t you worry! We’ll see now supposing… You see what I’m saying. Alright, so it’s a good thing. You just sit down just now, we’ll see. If you get your Realisation – well and good. No problem, forget it. If you do not get, supposing there is a problem in you already existing, they will immediately know on your chakras. Is me discuss karne ka kya [what is the use of discussing]? (Mother talks Hindi for a minute) You see the Kundalini comes up and falls down. So, what am I to do now? (Hindi for 2 minutes) Everybody can understand Hindi? Ah. Can’t follow? That would be too much? If I say in English, will you all follow? Yes? (Hindi) They have never bothered about the Spirit, you see, so we have to use some common language which speaks about Atma. English language is not sufficient enough. I must tell you. They do not have those experiences because this is so far they have not gone deep into it. And we are very old people, ancient people. Our culture has been to know God, and everything has come in Sanskrit because Sanskrit is really a devavani [divine language/sounds]. Apart from that, when the Kundalini moves, She makes sounds, She makes different sounds, which, they are really devanagari sounds, all of them are, on all different chakras they are. If I have time, I may tell you all those sounds that It makes. So, our Sanskrit is really a devavani, and even when you say mantras then, through the Sanskrit language or devanagari pronunciations only, you can excite them better. Try to learn if not Sanskrit at least Hindi, because it’s a more, sort of, a simpler language and, it being a phonetic language, you see, it has a sound and that sound gives that vibratory effect. You try to learn it. Hindi is not my mother tongue. My mother tongue is Marathi. I speak Hindi because, after all, I know the importance of it. I also know a little bit of English and I speak in English also. So, it is better to know at least Hindi. It’s not much. When we can know a foreign language, we can know our own one national language; there’s no harm in it. I mean this, I do not want to make it a political stuff, but what I’m saying is that – for conveying our…Marathi is alright for me, Bengali is alright. I don’t know much of Tamil or Telugu. But [with] Telugu also, Tamil also, you can, because this is a yoga bhoomi. This is a great country of yoga. You don’t know. Every particle of this bhoomi, you will be surprised, is vibrating. You see, these scientists, and all that, cannot understand this. When we start accepting all that the West is saying, we are going to lose all that we had, which is so great. Of course, that it is not going to be lost. But the thing is that they are not going to utilise it for our purpose. We have to close all that on one side and we’ll have to accept something, which is just a foreign, alien thing, and nothing so much comprehensive. You can say [that] it is not samakar [samagra-?], it doesn’t envelope everything. So English language is alright – I can speak and I can talk to you and explain – but I would request you that little bit of Hindi language, if you learn, it’s a good thing. Because I find it very difficult. You know, there’s one speech of mine they have written in English and that was translated in Marathi, and what a tremendous thing it was, and in English I think it’s a poor show, absolute poor show. Maybe my English is very poor, maybe that. I don’t know, but maybe that. So, we were talking about Sat Chit Ananda. Again, I have to use Sanskrit words; see now, what can I do? Sat Chit Ananda is the super consciousness, the All-pervading Power. Chit is attention, the consciousness, conscious. You are just now conscious listening to me. Every moment you are conscious, but every moment is becoming dead into the past. Every moment coming from the future to the present. But you are conscious at this moment, listening to me. A thought rises like this and falls. You can see the rising of the thought but not the falling of the thought. In between the thoughts, there is a space which, in Sanskrit, we call it as vilamba. Of course, in English there isn’t, because they haven’t found it out. So, there is a vilamba and in that vilamba if you can stop, then you get to the conscious mind, and there exists the Sat Chit Ananda. Sat Chit Ananda is the condition of mind, you can say, or is the state of mind where there is no thought, but you are aware. First there is no thought – Nirvichar – but you are aware. That is the first state, where you jump into, into the super-consciousness. So, some people may think that, by Realisation, you must achieve something as Adi Shankaracharya had. It’s not possible. With some it may be [but] with very few, but not with everyone. First state is Nirvichar. You become thoughtlessly aware. That’s just the first state. That happens when the Kundalini rises above the Agnya Chakra – means enters into the limbic area. At that time your attention just touches the Sat point, the Sat. The reality separates from mithya (myth). You are separated. You become two personalities. At that state you start separating. Like in the milk, when you put lime it starts separating into water and the curd. In the same way the beginning starts, the beginning starts – the beginning. This is the state where you can say the Kundalini has been awakened only. You must understand the different stages as it happens. I am giving you a very slow picture. But normally the Kundalini shoots off in most of the people. But in some people, it does not, it takes time. It is lost in the Swadishthana, it is lost into the Nabhi. It doesn’t go much higher. It is arrested by the Hrday Chakra [heart] or maybe it may not even rise at all. But in case it crosses this door of Agnya Chakra, then you get into the state of thoughtless awareness. With thoughtless awareness, as like whatever state you get, supposing, you become a governor, so you get a certain power. With that [awakening] you get certain powers. But, at this state, to leave the Kundalini is not a good thing. Because the Kundalini can, at that stage, start moving this side and that side, can, it’s possible. So, it can go to the supra-conscious, or can go to the subconscious, collective subconscious. The siddhis [powers], people get mostly at this stage. Not the shudra siddhis but the higher siddhis. Like, you see, they can predict. They can say, “This is going to happen.” If the Kundalini has moved to the supra-conscious. If the Kundalini has moved to the collective subconscious, then they can start seeing things. A person who is like that, [if] he comes to me, he can see who I was in my previous lives. I do not have to convince them. This is the same thing as anybody who is possessed gets. A person who takes drugs, supposing he is a real alcoholic of the last word and he’s a good soul, means he is still seeking God – such a person can see me in a different form. He can see my past. He can be very much enamoured by me. He would know that I was. Because, you see, people think the past is better than the present always! “Because the past has been much greater than todays.” Though I have never given Realisation to anyone previously but, “It was a great past!” Because human beings are like that. So, he gets enamoured when he sees things like that. This happens with people who are on the subconscious level, if they move out. This happens to people if they move out onto the left-hand side, that is, into the past. Those who move out on the right-hand side can see me as light. They see light. They see all the five elements. They can see me as a waterfall or a iceberg. They start seeing the tanmatra. Now again it’s a Sanskrit word. It means the causal essence, causal essence of the elements. It may help them to get convinced. Because such a person gets convinced about me, no doubt. Such a person is much more convinced than you are. Now, there are so many tantrikas who know who I was, they are afraid of me, they talk about me, they tell about me. There was an ordinary maidservant, who came to my programme and she got into this. She started speaking Sanskrit and she described me completely! Fifteen slokas she said. First time. I never said anything about myself. That’s how it started [the recognition of Mother]. So, at that stage I would not like to leave your Kundalini. Because you can cure people. Curative can be done with your Kundalini, even in the limbic area. I am very anxious, always, that it should come out of the Brahmarandhra. At that stage you start getting the vibrations. But at this stage you are just a Chitta only, and you just touch Sat point. Your attention is only charmed by the Spirit, only the attention part. Spirit, as I told you, is like a flicker of light in a gas lamp, and Kundalini is like a gas which touches the Spirit. And the light of the Spirit spreads in the central nervous system. But only the Chitta part. The outer core is the Chitta, means the attention part. At that stage when the Kundalini opens the Brahmarandhra, at that time what you feel is the vibrations from your hand, and you can feel the another person also, because you become collectively conscious – collectively conscious only! Again, out of the Sat Chit Ananda you just touch the Chitta point. So, you start feeling the Chit of your Chitta becoming the Chitta of the collective consciousness. Means you drop into the ocean of Sat Chit Ananda in which you only feel the collective consciousness. That means you can feel another person’s Kundalini. Yesterday there was another gentleman, as you have seen it, he was arguing with me that we have suspended his intelligence, and all that. I said, “What is this “suspended? I don’t know about this thing.” So, I told him. He said, “I am in a turyadasha.” I said, “If you are in turya you can feel the Kundalini of another person. You cannot certify yourself like that. Can you feel the Kundalini of another person?” He said, “No.” Then I said, “How can you be in the turya? If you go into turya, that means, if you cross this stage, then you have to feel the Kundalini of another person." Now you have seen there are many who can feel it. And they all say the same thing, the same language, whether they are English, Indians or anything. They say the same thing, that, “His chakra, this chakra is catching, that chakra is catching. It is not working.” Because you start seeing your Kundalini, you start seeing the Kundalini of others. Because on the fingers you can feel it. You can feel it on the fingers, what is happening. So, you just feel the Chitta, not the Ananda part. First stage is only Chitta: that you feel the Kundalini of another person, you can raise the Kundalini of another person, you can give Realisation also, after a little while, to another person – of course, my photograph has to be used – but still you can. But the Ananda stage is not yet touched. So, in the beginning you just feel the cool breeze in the hand. You feel the peace, tranquility also. There’s no thought, you feel the thoughtless awareness. But the ananda part is not felt at the first outset. Because now I have studied thousands of human beings and I have seen their problems, and this is a fact. But there are some, as I’ve told you, who reach the last stage – very few, very, very few. But among us we have here one or two persons whom – you can say – who have reached that stage also. They are not aware of it, perhaps, but Anand they can feel it. So [to] the first stage when you come, it is the Chitta stage, the consciousness stage. You touch the Sat, means you start seeing the reality. Is one thing that you are flowing, there’s something flowing. Then you start saying, “It’s going, it’s coming.” Just now you said, “It’s coming.” You didn’t say, “I am receiving, I am giving.” That ‘I’ goes out of your language. But still the ego and superego are not completely gone down. They are still there but your attention has come up and you feel the Chitta. With this collective consciousness you can cure people, you can give them Realisation, as I told you, and also you can feel the Kundalini of any person in the whole world. And also you can cure the Kundalini of that person. I mean cure, not the Kundalini, but I’m saying cure the chakras or improve the chakras of the other person. Sitting down here, you can do it. You can tell about the condition of the Kundalini of another person sitting down here, if you take interest. Wherever you attention goes it works – Chitta. So, your attention becomes universal. Your drop of your attention becomes one with the ocean of Sat Chit Anand [but] out of that, the attention part only. Listen to me for this very carefully because many people at this stage drop out. Only the attention becomes effective wherever they put attention, sitting down here. Now I’ll tell you about a disciple of mine who had come from England. One day he was sitting and was thinking of his father, suddenly he got a burning on his finger, this finger, so he rang up his father. He said, “How are you keeping?” So, the mother said that, “He is very sick, he has got throat trouble.” This boy did something to his finger and all that – the father got alright. He can do it. Now he might think, he is very powerful. He does not. He cannot think that way, he cannot think [that], because, you see, because the hole has been made there [Brahmarandhra]. So he just says, “Mother, I felt it and I did like this and he was alright.” He never says that, “I cured.” ‘I’ do goes out. In the language, in the words that you use you don’t say, “I did it.” You say, “It came. It went. It did. It’s not coming up.” Even then you will also say this, “Mother, today my Agnya is catching.” “Mother, my heart is catching.” They come and say like this about themselves. Now say, Agnya is catching, means it’s a little maddening! But one doesn’t feel bad about it because he’s not attached to his chakras but to his Atma. So he says, as an Atma, he says, “Oh my this chakra is caught, that chakra is caught.” A person now who is suffering, say, from cancer, does not know he is suffering from cancer. But a Realised person who gets his Realisation, his attention will tell him that these chakras are out of gear. And so many chakras out of gear means cancer. He needs not go to the doctor. He can diagnose himself. But he will not diagnose the way the doctors do, that, “You have got the cancer of the heart and cancer of this thing and cancer of that.” But he will say, “It is these chakras are caught up, the left or the right.” Now from where it is coming, how far it is going, he can give the depth of the chakras. Because the chakras start from here to here, and this is the Void. So, the depth of the chakras he can tell you, “It is from here, she’s catching from here.” “She’s catching from there and she’s catching from there.” But there are many abstract things that happen – this is a very important thing. Once you get your Realisation the chiranjivas [angels] surrender. They are watching you. You become their responsibility. All the deities are awakened within you. If you do anything against the deities, immediately they will give you a heat. A person who has got Realisation, if he goes in a place which is not to be seen or which is not to be felt, which is not a good place, or a Guru or somebody like that, immediately he will feel heated up. If he doesn’t run away, if he still goes on and on and on, he’ll lose his vibrations, and he’ll become just like the other person. So, it’s a very transitory state still because still, at this point, the repulsion is not so great that the man does not accept it. Because if you accept it, you become just like that. If you do not accept it, that maybe little bodily problem you might have, you might little bit burn your fingers or might get little burning here or something like that. But if you are not afraid of these bodily things, and if you do not want to accept it, then you start rising higher. But, as I told you, all the chiranjivas start guiding you, looking after you. If there is one Realised person in a train, there cannot be an accident, and if there is an accident nobody will die in that train. If a Realised soul… Yogi/Seeker: They can be wounded. Shri Mataji: Ah, wounded, can be. But see, we remember we have seen of one incident where it happened: they were so slightly wounded that they didn’t take them to the hospital, any one of them. I mean, a little bit scratching might have been but, that’s what they told me. There was one Realised soul who was traveling by train which collided near Thane [Mumbai] or some place. Then, if a Realised soul is walking on the road. And now, a Realised soul who is in nirvichara I am saying. You see, we have to grade them up! Walking on the road and if he sees a mishap, his attention goes there, immediately the mishap is averted. Yogi/Seeker: Accident cannot happen then? Shri Mataji: Yes; if he sees a mishap, then it is averted. Attention- you see, his attention he’s been blessed. Now, this is, for a scientist, cannot understand. Seeker: But he is being guided by internal God. Then he can’t do anything by himself. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no! The internal Gods are his own part and parcel! As you can say, “I am guided by my brain so I can’t do anything else.” You see, Gods are your internal parts, your Self. What is self left then? What is your Self? Seeker: When you are united. Shri Mataji: When you are united with that, then you are finished now. You become a hollow personality. Then you do not have this feeling of self. Then all the time what you say, “It is happening, “It is going,” “It is flowing,” “It is working.” 'It': you can even say like this; this little girl says 'Pragnya'. She says, “This Pragnya won’t go, she’s very obstinate. Just now her Agnya is caught so she won’t go.” She stands outside from herself and she criticises herself. She says, “Her Agnya is caught; she won’t go, she is very obstinate”. She is not Pragnya. Even children say like that, many a times, if you notice, like a third person. You start looking at yourself as a third person. You do not identify your Self with yourself. It happens like that. You will see these people how they are working. Then also there is a part of little enjoyment, which you must know, the joy – Anand. You see, normally you will find most of the Sahaja yogis will gather round a person who is a Realised-soul, who is Realising, who is not a difficult person. Moreover, if there is somebody who comes on my foot, who is a very great soul: I’ll tell you, in Calcutta I went there, and I was staying in a hotel, and there was a very nice man who came to see me. He was not Realised but a very saintly person with a great purva sampada, and he just touched my feet, and other Sahaja Yogis with other rooms they all rushed there! I said, “Why did you come?” He said, “Great joy started coming within us so we came.” And they were standing. He was all the time on my foot and they were standing. I said, “Neither is he going to leave me nor you are going to leave me!” For fifteen minutes he was just drinking the nectar of my feet and they were enjoying his nectar and the fragrance of it. So, the joy of enjoying another human being also starts. So, the three things. How you enjoy nirvichar samadhi as they call? 'Samadhi'doesn’t mean going into unconscious but the unconscious becomes conscious. Whatever is not yet conscious becomes conscious. The unconscious, the Universal Unconscious becomes conscious. So, this is the first stage when it takes. There are many things like this and variety of things happen. Supposing you have been doing lot of light puja, what you call the jyoti puja, in your previous life then you can see my vibrations. There are two, three people who can see my vibrations coming, going; they see all the movement. Supposing you have been doing Devi puja. Say you are at Devi puja: you have a sampada [wealth] of that, of a Devi puja. Then you see something of Devi’s pramaan [evidence] as you can say. You can see that also. That is a better thing than to see before [Realisation] because if you see before Realisation [it] means you are a possessed person, somebody is giving you, ideas. After Realisation [if] you start seeing certain things, then it has some meaning. So, the gradual growth of the flower starts. Then the second stage, where you become Nirvikalpa, where there is no vikalpa [doubt]. Just now in Delhi there are very few who are like that, very few, because, first of all, by temperament they are vikalpis. The reason is, here is a complete atmosphere of vikalpa. If you say something another one will pull you down by saying something else. So, the thing is, the whole atmosphere is so vikalpi that you are not yet subtle about it, about the Sahaja Yoga, still in vikalpa. But we have some very great Sahaja yogis also in Delhi, very great. So, the vikalpa is there. Now you will say, “How do you become Nirvikalpa?” Supposing you are in the water, you are afraid of getting drowned. You are picked up and put in the boat, so you are not afraid of becoming drowned. But when are you settled? When you are settled. I mean, it is such a state that – when are you settled in a boat? When you are settled in a boat! I mean, that’s how I can answer it. You have to be settled. But, with that, you get certain powers. Your Kundalini starts showing. We have, in Bombay, some people whose Kundalini is at least one foot higher, one foot higher. You can see. You can it. I mean you may not, but so many people can see that. And they are a very deep people, very deep. At the Nirvikalpa state the Collective Consciousness becomes very subtle – subtler, subtler. At that stage you can understand very deep significances of things and the reality starts becoming clearer. For example: You start understanding the working of the Kundalini. You start understanding how it penetrates. You start understanding how it works out. You can use it for experimentation. With your own hand you can move it as you like it. You can cure people and you can show the Kundalini is working in different ways. You can combine, and permutations and combinations of Kundalini you can do. You can say, that in the first year of music, you just learn the seven notes and two others notes, just that, and ordinary ragas. But when you grow subtler and higher, then you know all the minute points, how to create. So, at the Nirvikalpa you need not put your hand towards a person, nothing. Sitting down you know where it is, what is happening, who is catching, what is the problem, what is the collective problem! Then you have no doubts about Sahaja Yoga, nor about Kundalini, nor about anything; no doubts at all. But at that time, you start experimenting with it. You start using it. Mastery starts. At this stage the Chitta, the consciousness, becomes subtler. Now, somebody was sitting with me. Outside they knew that, “This gentleman is going to get Realisation.” They knew that Mother was giving Realisation to someone. Such people are very satisfied people. They do not grudge and grumble about small things. They do not enter into small things at all. They are not bothered. They live in a big way. They are not touched. Their attention is [not] in the gross. They have no time for outside gross things. So, their attention is very deep into the subtle forms. They are not bothered. Such people are satisfied souls. Such people are the ones who are going to create a pillar for Sahaja Yoga. Because when somebody sees such a person, a transformed person like that, [they are] shocked. He says, “Look at this man! He’s such a great person, and he was such a horrid man, and how has he become like this? How is he transformed?” At this stage, at the Nirvikalpa state, the vibrations emit. Then you can sit with me here, you start. Then there is no questioning at all. And such a man can get into a terrible temper if he sees somebody misbehaving with me. He can’t bear misbehaving with me. Christ said, “Forgive all those, because they do not know what they are doing.” But supposing they had done anything against His Mother, He would not have forgiven even this much, I can tell you, even this much. And in the Bible it is written that, “Nothing will be tolerated against the Holy Ghost!” And Holy Ghost is His own Mother, is the Adi Shakti. (End of audio for transcript verification.) Hence you cannot tolerate anything against your Mother or Sahaj yoga and one can get into a tremendous temper or a samhara shakti which they develop. It is said that such a man if anybody tries to do some harm, he will immediately bring him down through their devotion towards their Mother. We have a notion that a realised person should never lose his temper. It is a very wrong idea. Then you will say, “Why Krishna killed Jarasandha? Why did he kill Kansa?” How do you explain the violence of Krishna? How do you explain Devi who killed demons when she came and got into her Temper? She used to get into tremendous temper and then she used to kill. The temper of Shiva! How do you explain this? It is a foolish idea to say that they should not get into the temper even if someone tries to kill them. Even Christ had to take the whip () in his hand and drive them away. You have a right to get into a temper, if you are in a Nirvikalpa state since you are given that right of even raising one’s own voice when need arises. I am using all the ayudhas, if you have noticed in my hand, the Chakra, the parasha etc. They are there and I have to use them and you cannot stop me from using them. This is what I say that by reading people don’t understand things. A man who is quietly sitting and is being pestered by everybody is called a realised person. What nonsense! How dare you spite at such a man? Is the spite of a Devi to be borne by a realised soul? To say that a realised soul should not get into a temper is a wrong thing! Now all those rishis I have talked about and all those people who have talked about me and whose names I have given you, they are all above Nirvikalpa, but they are very hot tempered. These saints cannot tolerate hypocrisy but I can and I have to. No rakshas can go near them but if anybody goes, they are put into a noose and are hanged on the tree. That’s why I say never go near the babaji! They are higher people, no doubt, better than you all are and they know me very well and they fall at my feet. They are very innocent and simple like children to me. More important is Shri Ganesha. If he gets angry it is not so easy to control him. It is easier to control Shri Shiva’s but not Ganesh’s anger. Beware of him. That is why during Kundalini Awakening, you get burning sensation and you start dancing or jumping, all this is Ganesha’s anger. If you have insulted him by any chance, or insulted his Mother, He gets into a tremendous fury. It is true that after Nirvikalpa, the Ganesha becomes really jagrut [awakened]. Such a person is not tempted by any women. No temptation for another women will exist, except for his own wife, where he goes on living like a celebrated husband, because husband and wife are united in a bond of matrimony. Otherwise, he is a sanctified householder. He does not have temptation for any alcohol or anything like smoking and is beyond temptation. A Nirvikalpa man cannot have any temptation. One man came to me and told me that he was a Realised-soul. I said, “How can it be? If you are a realised Soul, how are you taking to these things? You cannot!” Now for me, I will tell you, it is an impossibility. I have never taken anything. Once my doctor gave me a little brandy as a medicine. I don’t know why, but he felt like giving it to me without informing me; due to which I vomited so much of blood, since my stomach is religious or sacred. If I see a woman who has dressed provocatively or something like that or sometimes, I have to accompany my husband to parties and they start a cabaret or some such thing, immediately I start getting vomiting sensation like hell and more. So, when we are the chief guest, I make their lives miserable since something happens in my stomach when I see these half-dressed women. Now what can I do with my stomach is the point because the dharma is born within our stomach. So, the stomach becomes the dharma itself. At this stage the subtle style of things starts. Your Mooladhara becomes chastity itself. It just cannot bear these things. You don’t have to tell them. They have just no interest in such women. They do not flirt nor have they any interest in all these things. They do not bother too much to dress up in such a way that they would be very attractive to other women or men and at that time they believe like very simple people. They get to simplicity dignified. Then suddenly they become very creative also. There is one gentleman in Bombay who got into Nirvikalpa state. He came to me when he was jobless. So I told him, “Why don’t you start interior decoration work?” He said that he did not know different types of wood nor could differentiate between one type and another so what could he do? I said, “Now, you are in Nirvikalpa so start it.” Today he is a very rich man. It just becomes dynamic, because you start seeing the beauty, the saundarya of the nature. You see, aesthetics are born in a person who is a Realised Soul. He starts seeing aesthetics in everything. The beauty of talking improves. The movements of the hands improve and your style also improves. You become a beautiful person aesthetics come in. You can become suddenly a great poet. We have two people like that who have written beautiful poems, and you can also be a great painter if you are already a painter. You get new ideas about painting, new aesthetics. In music, you start understanding absolutely. You may not know what classical music is but you will start understanding the subtle music. From the classical music you will know which is the best for your Atma. You see the Atma starts judging everything on that level. If you appoint such a person to judge a drama or a painting, whether it is good or bad, he will correctly judge it good or bad. Then you put his selection to all the critics of the world and they will say it is the best judgment Now, you will ask me, “How does he know?” Because he can feel by vibrations and complete harmony in everything. You give him a Statue of a deity and ask him all about this statue whether it is alright or not. He might say that it is not alright. You can feel the subtle vibrations, whether it is in dharma or otherwise. Now can we say say that Ashta-vinayakas [eight Ganesh Swayambus] are living Gods? How do you know? Jyotirlingas are living. How will you know unless you know the integration of all the great souls together? And how are you going to judge them? That is why you must get Realisation. This is what my father told me. I should say he was my first Guru, as he was a realised soul. He told me, “It is of no use talking about realities etc., because you will create another Bible or Gita. You do a practical thing. You find out a mass-media.” and I knew that was my mission So I worked on everybody’s Kundalini and tried to find out permutations, combinations, of their mistakes and why these people are like this. You will be surprised that so many-people never knew that they were even in Nirvichara. They did not know that they were highly placed Spirits. If they would have known, then they would not have told many things which have conditioned you. They have said, “Sach bolo!” [speak the truth.] Who is going to speak truth? They did not know what Human beings are? They are incarnations, a great people. They did not know much about the human beings and how cunning they are or how they are all the time against each other. They could not come to the subtle human level. For that one has to have a human self-realisation, as I now have. As such I know human beings but some things, of course, I do not understand. When you get into the Nirvikalpa state, the Ananda starts settling in you. When you see cities, any beautiful picture or scene, immediately what you find is a great flow of Ananda coming down. This is the Grace that you are just lost into it; like the Ganges flowing over you, you are completely drowned into it. Your Consciousness becomes Ananda. In reality you come to know that till now we have never known there is a Sarvavyapi Shakti but now we are aware of the same. We can feel it coming in our fingers. This is the Reality. There is Chaitanya all around us, which thinks, which understands, organises and loves us. All this you come to know the knowledge part of it. Then the Ananda which is the Hridaya starts emitting it. Later on, what you get is Valaya into Ananda. At that stage complete Self-realisation takes place. At that stage you can control the sun, you can control the moon, you can control every element. Beyond that there is God’s Realisation. There are three stages to that also. But just now I have told about this Sat-Chit-Ananda state. The God’s Realisation is the stage which, Gautam Buddha and Mahavira only had achieved and settled down in our brain. Christ is also here. These two are not incarnations. They are born as Human beings. They were born to Sita, as Lava and Kusha. Then they were born as Buddha and Mahavira and Adi Shakti was their Mother once again. Later on, they were born to Fatimabai as Hassan and Hussein. They are the two milestones you have got, by which you can know to what height a Human being can rise. Now today they are like incarnations. There are other styles of personalities like Chiranjivas, Bhairava, Ganesha. There are all incarnations. Hanumana later on appeared as Gabriel the Angel. Bhairavnath came as Saint Michael. The names are different, but they are the same personalities. Devi has also incarnated. There is no doubt about it. The scientist will not understand this but a Sahaja Yogi can. Because they can immediately feel their vibrations and can ask questions. You can ask questions about me also and you will get the vibrations. For that at least your Deities have to rise and say “Yes”. You may or you may not get Realisation but the answer you will definitely get. May God bless you! H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

2/16/1977

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Mahashivaratri Puja: Sat-Chit-Ananda

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1977-02-16 Mahashivratri:Sat Chit Anand, Delhi, India How much blissful day it is today, that on the day of Mahashivratri, all of us are singing Shiv Stuti collectively. Shiva, infact Sadashiva is the beginning of this creation and ends in Him. First of all if you understand Bramha, from Bramha, Shakti and Shiva, as within a cell is its nucleous, the same way Shiva and Shakti establishes first of all within Bramha. How did the creation take place, how did this event take place, how did Bramha, appear in the form of Shiva and Shakti, all this I will tell you on Saturday and Sunday. But when this Shakti while coming out of Shiva moves around in the form of a paraboly, when it takes one round, then each universe is created. Many such (pradakhshanas) were taken by Shakti. I will tell you about it later. Many universes were created, many Bhuvanas were created and destroyed as well. Shakti creates universe after separating from Shiva. Shiva only witnesses. He goes on seeing Shakti’s play. If He cannot understand Shakti’s play, Then He can sucks in His own Shakti, whenever He wants. The whole play comes to an end. Only He is the seer(Drashta). He is the one who sees this play. Only He is the enjoyer of this play. This play is because of Him only. So, if He does not exist, the whole play comes to an end. He is the state. It is because of Him only that there is existence. A man is considered as living because of His heart. When his heart stops functioning, he is considered as dead. When Shiva closes His eyes, He is called destroyer (Samharak). He only is the state and He only is the (Laya), because He can be a state, He can also be (Laya). I had told you about Shiva’s place in Kundalini Shastra. In a man’s heart, He always enlightens like the light of a lamp. Because of which the knowledge of right-wrong, discretion remains awakened, which goes on forbidding us, don’t do this, this is wrong, this is unrighteous. This is wrong, this is deceitfulness, this is is greed, this is pride, this is jealousy, this is Adharm, this is below the dignity of a man, this is not worthwhile. But the independence that a man has, is used by him very badly and he disregards Shiva. Shiva drinks the poison of the whole world. Whatever amount of poison is settled in our heart, aversion towards others, evil etc., very impure thoughts, our heart becomes poisonous, when Shiva awakens within us, He drinks that poison. Shiva’s food, His drink is poison, whatever intoxicating things are there, the intoxicants etc., all that is injurious to consciousness is consumed (prashaan) by Shiva. He consumes all the poison of this type, of the world, inside His own being. For the same reason, we offer Him (Bhang) etc., intoxicants symbolically. From this, a human being concludes that if Shiva can take (Bhang), we shall also take. If he drinks wine, we shall also have it. Are you Shivji ? Are you at par even to the dust of His feet. He who consumed the whole poison of the world, also needs some who can drink. Devi eats all the bhoots. Devi licked each drop of the blood of Rakhtabeeja that used to fall in the world. Can you lick that? Where do you stand in comparison to Him, that you came out to take Bhang like Shiva. Even if Shiva drinks bhang of the whole world, He doesn’t get intoxicated. Is it the case with you? Shiva belongs to Divine Estate (Sampada), is an incarnation. We do not understand what an incarnation is. Its metal is different. Its arrangement is different. Are you formed in that way? Are you made for the work that you will consume the poison of whole world. Many people say, Mother some drinks do not intoxicate us. There can be no greater falsehood than this. Some great gurus too like Sai Nath of Shirdi, was also an incarnation. He smoked a funnel shaped clay pipe for smoking (Chillum). Now everybody started smoking a pipe. Are you Sai Nath? He would smoke, so that you do not come in contact with Chillum at all. He smoked everybody’s Chillum once for all. He would smoke to digest everybody’s Chillum. Have you got the power to smoke Chillum? He could not be attacked by cancer. Those who are devotees of Shiva, should not even touch wine. They should not even go near it. They should run far away from it. On the contrary, all the tantrikas own five houses. What do they do? They call themselves (shaakt). Call themselves devotees of Shakti, devotees of Shiva, and adulterous to such an extent! Shiva and adultery! Shiva who is complete Bramhaswarupa, making such an enormity while taking His name, is causing complete downfall of their own. Because of being your Mother, I am telling you that never be under this wrong impression. The method of Tantra is absolutely mischevious. Today on the day of Mahashivratri , I want to tell you something about that definitely. The system of Tantra is that whatever is not liked by God, is not liked by Devi, do that only. All the wrong practices were done in the presence of Devi only. Adultry, all types of mockery, so that the Devi abandons that place out of hatered. In the beginning Devi acts violently over them. They Jump, dance, shout, scream, there is lot of heat, boils come out on skin. Many people call it the awakening of kundalini too. Many people came to me for treatment who say that they are feeling as if thousands of bacteria are biting inside their being. Our kundalini has awakened. And even some say they got big blisters on their body. Here in the institute there is a doctor, whose name I forgot. What is his name? Dr. Paul. He had come to me. He was saying, that somebody awakened his kundalini and thousands of scorpions bit his body. And poor fellow, while jumping stood near me, saying, “Mother, save me, save me.” I brought down his kundalini. Within one minute, I cooled down his kundalini. It was not kundalini, Shri Ganesha, who is the son of Shivji , who is the son of Shakti. It was His anger. When I asked him I understood. He told Me the name of the person who had awakened his kundalini. He doesn’t tell anyone his name out of fright, out of nervousness. That helpless person feels nervous just by thinking of Kundalini. They reduced him to such a condition and told him that your Kundalini has been awakened. All over the body there were blisters and hands and feet had burnt. Within one minute the kundalini was calm, fell asleep. Only Ganesha, Shri Ganesha because He knows me. There is a need to be away from such tantrikas. Going in front of the Devis, you go and see it in Khajuraho, what a mess these tantrikas have created. In the sixth century, after Shankaracharya, they started a new war. As soon as he said about Devi, they thought that now Mother’s reign is about to set in, so let us be after Her. The rulers of that time were very low charactered. Looked at Devi with evil eyes. How much evil minded people were ruling at that time? Full strip from here till Bengal and their ministers were these people only, jains. Among Jains, with regard to their food habits, they move out with a flap covering their mouth. There is no dispute related to women. With strips tied to their mouth, take a walk, think that they are out. They call Krishna as samharak (destroyer). Call Rama as Samharak. Although Mahavira is a higher personality. As I have set them in their proper place, the same way Jainis too set Mahavira at His proper place. These are the unique ways of everybody. They started this practice that let us send young boys and girl too to ashrams, as Pope does. Because of that, immorality was so much on the increase, so much compulsion, that even brahmins raised the issue that even after marriage, the people should be under control and in celibacy. Absolutely unnatural concepts, that pressure resulted in the completion of dirty displayings at Khajuraho. Although I will certainly say that the artists have done a great job. Wherever they have made idols, they have made big idols of Gods and Goddesses, having thick dia because, Gods and Goddesses are of thick stature. Because they need lot of water, so many wheels are moving continuously, so water is required from above. Otherwise how can it work? And the rest of these tall and thin they fixed just to please the king. But the person who was tantric of Konark, what to talk about him. And there only, you see there are some temples too, where these leftists (vammargis) go and put Devi into discontentment. Take some intoxicating drink, wine and indulge in adultery. And when Devi diverts Her attention from there, even from My photograph if you check, you will get vibrations right now, but if any scene of adultery is started in front of it, I will be missing from the photograph. You will not get any vibration. My attention gets away from there. There is no more attention, because why should Devi live where there is adultery and filth. Shivji sits at such places, for a pretty long time and there lashes out too. Bhairavnath also sets in there. Without His lashes people do not come round. First they get lot of lashes, their condition worsens. Even then they go on doing all this nonsensically. They call it penance (Tapasya). They fall sick, face problems, vomit, blood comes out, everything happens. Lot of heat generates in their body, but still they stick to it. Then even Shivji too disappears from there. Then they settle down there, make a solution of Charas (Charas is the name given to a hashish form of cannabis, for smoking) and Bhaang ( an intoxicating drink) and these cannabis smokers assemble and all adultery during the night takes place. And after that spirits are invited and with those spirits in their hands, they do all the trade about which I told you yesterday. This is the height of Shivji’s innocence. He is an embodiment of such innocence, that when Ravana told Him that now you better give me your Shakti, He (Shiva) gave Him even that. Such an innocence! So much Ingenuous! One who doesn’t know what is evil ! Consume evil, consume everything, get and consume whatever is to be consumed. As it is said that all the evils are washed out. So you can understand, that the evils are washed out in Ganga because it has come out of Shivji’s matted hair (Jatta). The evils that are washed out just by touching the Jatta of Shiva, if He is himself sakhshat, what will He be ? (How much powerful He will be?) Just tell! One who simply sakhshat by doing, sinks the vices, one whose rememberance only by devotion, all the badhas of Bhavsagar, all those who like animals and birds are stuck up, whatever dirt, living or non living, are brought to an end. For such Shivji people say that He gets happy by such adultery. In such a world what can be talked about? These Tantrikas are Shivji’s enemies, they will die in hell like worms. They will be in hell for thousands of years. There is no doubt about it. But those who get mesmerised by them, and follow their advice, use spirits , destroy others, they too are going to be destroyed after them. On the day of this great festival of Shivji, all the Sahajyogis should take a vow that their heart should be absolutely pure. It should have simplicity, complacency (Sajjanta). We should introspect ourselves and feel ashamed that are we so rogue that we think like that? Look at your heart and ask,” Are we so miser and low charactered people that we are thinking like that?” To keep Shivji awakened, man should be extremely simple hearted. Shivji was innocent, such people are very innocent and people say that such people are cheated. Even if the whole world cheats them, he doesn’t lose anything. You lose everything, if you cheat. Don’t cheat anyone. As such it is not an act of bravery, that you act foolishly. If you cheat anyone even once, you cannot be forgiven for that. You may be cheated by someone thousand times, you won’t lose anything. One who is innocent, cannot be cheated by anyone. These are emotional feelings that such and such a person deceived him, that person deceived him. What do you collect by cheating? Wealth? How much harmful is the money procured by cheating, you don’t have any idea. Recently in Rahuri, a gentleman came to Me and said, “our ancestor’s some money has been dug in the land, Mother, we know it has been dug there. Earlier, three generations before somebody tried to take it out. The same day, there were three deaths in the family. After that, second generation started to take it out. That time also there were three deaths in the family. Then same thing happened fourth time. Now we are there. Now what should we do?” I said,” forget this wealth, forget it absolutely. Let it dissolve. There is no need to touch it.” After killing somebody, keeping somebody’s children hungry, after torturing somebody’s spirit, you have got this money. That their spirits are in great agony, is a great thing. There is furious Shakti. That will consume your children, their children and their children. That is Shivji’s job. Shivji is very innocent, but you are not aware of His wrath. His wrath is dangerous. The snake around His throat, understands everything. Whosoever will bother such a spirit , because Shivji resides in Atma, his condition will be such for generations together. I am not telling a lie. You are saying, Mataji talks like that only! Recently, in Hyderabad, in a gentleman’s house, started telling Me,”Please come, he is very rich, is very this, is very that.” I said,”I am not concerned with the riches. I am poor and am ok with My poverty.” He insisted too much saying,”Mother please come. He has invited, invited with reverence.” I said,” Ok! If it will be on the way, I will go.” As soon as I put My step in their house, I put one step back. They asked, “What happened?” I said,” This house is under the influence of a great curse.” They asked Me,” How do you know? I told them,” Is it so or not? Tell Me the truth. I won’t step inside. Tell the truth.” They admitted, “Yes, It is!” Two young children of that family have been sitting like this always in a chair. Both hands and feet in the same position, they eat like that only, sleep too in the same position. They requested Me to cure them. I said, “Please forgive Me, I am leaving.” Soon I came out. I said to them,”Even now, you are doing the same job, that your ancestors have done.” They started telling,”In our family two children have been always like that.” And still the same thing is going on? “These are the only two children in this generation. There is no third one. So what will the future of this family?” I said,” You think of family, think of money, and lick that and eat. And Paste it all around and if you can’t do that, take out a procession.” To torture somebody’s Atma (spirit), especially to depress a poor man, to invoke Ah (curse) from his Atma, you must know that Shivji’s reign goes a long way. Outwardly you feel that you have collected everything, you have come back and brought all the belongings of his home. Daughter-in-law has come at home, her mother-in-law is torturing her. She feels a great pleasure in torturing her. She is deceiving her. My mother-in-law tortured me so much, I too shall torture her. Don’t invoke her curses. Don’t invoke a poor man’s curses. Don’t invoke the curses of anyone’s heart. Never do that. Know that, there resides Shivji and the more a person is innocent, the more Shivji ‘s reign will prevail there. Never take the advantage of an innocent man. Always be surrendered to an innocent man because Shivji is awakening there. That is why he is innocent. A human being happens to be innocent only when, Shivji is awakening within him. People torture an innocent man, cheat him. Specially those who are money conscious, those who go on counting each penny, they make fun of an innocent person. Money you will get sometime or other, but you cannot escape Shivji’s curse. You will say that Mother you are scaring us just for nothing! I am not scaring you. I am cautioning you. Be alert! Shivji’s workout is very deep and going to be for a very long time, because Shivji is going to be till the end. When there will be total Laya, even then Shivji will be there and when there will be beginning, even then Shivji will be there. And in between, afterwards when I shall tell you, I will tell you when Vishnuji comes. Today, on the day of Mahashivratri, all of us have to make a determination, that we will not invoke any curse. We will not do injustice to anyone for anything. Somebody is poor, some needy, some inferior to us, some dependant on us, whosoever is like that, it is Shivji’s kingdom there. Treat them with complacency.They are the servants of their home. They won’t give them anything to eat, grab their money, people beat their servants just for two paisas (little pennies), overlooking that Shivji has established in their being and shivji’s wrath can harm you.I am telling you the truth. Not even a single word or a single drop is untruth. If you want, you can check it by vibrations also, all the sahajyogis check it, how much strong vibrations you get for this. If I am telling untruth even a single word, your vibrations will stop flowing. To do injustice to anyone is to be a culprit in front of Shivji. Gentlemanliness, courtesy, politeness, bowing down, being cheated too is ok. There should be no false knowledge of Shivji. My Dear, “Did you get cheated? Don’t worry, I will see to it.” Oh! Bhairav Nath is standing by his side. He will give you one rod, all of you will get set. You have not yet understood tricks of Bhairav Nath. He doesn’t grab even a single penny. All over, He uses His rod all around and he hits in such a way, that the impact will be for generations together. For generations! In this respect, Hanumanji is slightly milder. He is slightly better. But don’t meddle with Bhairav Nath ji. So, those who are inferior to you, those who are schedule caste, those who rely on you, those who are dependant on you, have mercy on them, must shower your love and compassion to them. Just see Shivji! Where is He sitting! In the graveyard, where nobody can sit, He is sitting on the ashes. You cannot find any communist better than him. He came for the wedding, with ashes all over, Snakes around His neck and riding on a bull. Just Think, does anyone sit on a bull, with ashes all over, in a strange attire, matted hair, with bare minimum clothing, wrapped lion’s skin around. And with Him, all the bhoots, one better than the other were following. And their wives, some of them having one eye, two noses and some having four horns were following them. All the disfigured, lunatics and those who are as fast as lightening, those whom we look down upon with inferiority, some are physically deranged, we laugh at them, cut jokes at them. If somebody is deaf, is made fun of. Thank God that both of your ears are ok. Thank God that your both the eyes are ok. You never held the hand of a blind person. On the contrary, you feel a great pleasure, in pushing him. Look at such God Shivji, that His bharat is coming and at Parvati ji’s house all the great people are there. Her brother Vishnuji is standing by Her side. All the sophiscated people are on one side and this bharat of Shivji is proceeding on the other side. But nobody dared to laugh at Shivji or at those people. He is coming with all having ugly and monstrous faces, disfigured and cruel people graciously.. Not with any inferiority complex. If our father is poor and if he is asked to come to our office, we will tell him ,”Don’t come”. We will not even give him clothes. We feel ashamed even of our father. We are so down trodden people. He is coming graciously with all of them, How great he is! Some nude, some half nude (nang, dhunang), some short of clothes, nothing, they are coming in their normal attire with Shivji. And Parvatiji is getting nervous on seeing that My groom has come to My house, He is just making it disgraceful for Me. At least He should have brought some good people in the front row. But now what to say? Bhairavnathji is coming in the forefront. Just think, what type of marriage it is! But in Parvatiji’s heart only He has a place. She doesn’t like anyone else. Whatever they are, whatever the people from in-laws are, although the women from their side have only one eye, but even then they are Her husband’s home people. Their respect, their food, to look at them with her eyes down (is Her duty), because I am from the family of Vishnuji, My brother like vishnuji is standing, in whose house Kuberas fill water and I myself am the daughter of Himalayas. With such a thought of Parvatiji in mind, we should think that in this world, the Shivji whom we pay regard, on whom the whole world is dependant, who can destroy us in a moment, when there will be destruction, He comes out of the form of eleven Rudras, destroyes everything. And whosoever is watching this play in a witness state, for whom everything of the world, creation etc., is just nothing and He who in a witness state is enjoying the world and who is awakened in every innocent person, who lives at such places where nobody can go, the most violent, rude and poverty stricken. He doesn’t decorate Himself, no great grandeur, but without Him nothing is brilliant. To such shivji whosoever pays regard, is a real human being because he pays regard to humanity. Not because that particular person is a senior officer, because that particular person has a lot of money, because that particular person is so educated, the other person has this, but because he is a noble human being. May be he is poor, maybe he is rich, maybe he is of low profile, or of high profile, but he is a great noble human being and a noble human being is one who is personified at the feet of Shivji. Today it is not such a day that I should even make you feel sad, because today is a very auspicious day. But one thing I will tell definitely that there is no need to fast on the day of Shivratri. It is totally the opposite. Whosoever has said it, don’t know what is the basis of this in scriptures. I ask any priest to tell me in which Shastra it is written that on the day of Shivji’s marriage you will fast. Why? Gentlemen, tell Me any basis of this Shastra, I want to know. Shastras too have been misrepresented, but even then I want to know, what is the basis of this Shastra that at a wrong place………. Today, rejoice, make merriment. Today is the day of merriment. How many people have come here after observing fast? Raise your hands. Those who have been on fast, cannot get their realisation today. Try it! And those who have got their realisation, you too will be saved today. You are not going to get vibrations. Try it! Try and check! Are you getting vibrations? (Some say,” Are not getting, they are faint”.) Don’t tell a lie! (a sahajyogini--I have started getting such cool vibrations) You are not fasting, So I am happy with you today! You didn’t fast today? Good! You are a loving child! Today, you don’t have to fast. Today you eat a lot. Take laddoo after reaching your home. Fast after eating food? [one Sahajyogini,“No, I took phalahar (fruits).”] Why phalahar? Today you have to take a lot. His food is almonds and pistachio. Eat, eat a lot. He eats chickpeas (channa). Deviji takes Chickpeas. You also take chickpeas. Who takes fruits and flowers? They all talk nonsense. You should check from health related scripture that if our Shivji is established, is existing, what is needed for existence? What should you take? Say! You know it is carbohydrates. We cannot get energy without that. Today all of us should take carbohydrates of every type. Or we should take proteins. The more proteins you take, the better it is. Take more and more proteins. Chickpeas contains proteins. Chickpeas is only proteins. Whatever protein is there, should be taken for Shivji. For heart what a wonderful thing it is. If you are of devoid of love for others, you should also take carbohydrates. But the most important thing is that you should take proteins. And today you will take fruits which should not be taken. I do not understand any such basis of it in scriptures but the concept is going on and everybody is following it. Right now, whosoever has started it, must be the tantrikas only. He cannot be some one else. I cannot understand, that there is anyone else, that anyone will do so delibrately. One should think naturally that the day it is someone’s birthday or marriage, people do not remain hungry. That day people rejoice, they are happy. The day when somebody dies, people should remain hungry. In our country, It is like this, that the day somebody dies, or the doors of hell are open, they don’t fast, that day they eat on getting early! So, today eat happily and enjoy! But, on the day of Narak chaturdashi, you should fast. So that day, take bath early, after getting up early at 4 o’clock and take their break fast. See how opposite it is! Now if I say so, you can’t say I am like Kabir, You will say that Mataji is telling all the opposite. But Whatever is categorical, accept it in straight forward manner. And whatever is opposite, will have to be accepted as opposite because whatever is truth, is nothing but truth. Nobody can destroy it, nobody can deteriorate it. And whether it is truth or untruth, check by your vibrations. Whatever I am telling, if it is untruth, you will come to know with the help of your vibrations. All your computers have started working on their own. Many people’s computers are working. Those whose are not working, they too will work soon. You will surely get vibrations for this. Yes? ( one sahajyogini,”Getting a lot of fragrance.”) Especially, within your being Shivji’s establishment is too much. You are too innocent! Yes, now tell Me. Let us meditate for some time, because they were saying that many people for realisation….have your friends come for realisation?

1977-02-16 Mahashivratri:Sat Chit Anand, Delhi, India How much blissful day it is today, that on the day of Mahashivratri, all of us are singing Shiv Stuti collectively. Shiva, infact Sadashiva is the beginning of this creation and ends in Him. First of all if you understand Bramha, from Bramha, Shakti and Shiva, as within a cell is its nucleous, the same way Shiva and Shakti establishes first of all within Bramha. How did the creation take place, how did this event take place, how did Bramha, appear in the form of Shiva and Shakti, all this I will tell you on Saturday and Sunday. But when this Shakti while coming out of Shiva moves around in the form of a paraboly, when it takes one round, then each universe is created. Many such (pradakhshanas) were taken by Shakti. I will tell you about it later. Many universes were created, many Bhuvanas were created and destroyed as well. Shakti creates universe after separating from Shiva. Shiva only witnesses. He goes on seeing Shakti’s play. If He cannot understand Shakti’s play, Then He can sucks in His own Shakti, whenever He wants. The whole play comes to an end. Only He is the seer(Drashta). He is the one who sees this play. Only He is the enjoyer of this play. This play is because of Him only. So, if He does not exist, the whole play comes to an end. He is the state. It is because of Him only that there is existence. A man is considered as living because of His heart. When his heart stops functioning, he is considered as dead. When Shiva closes His eyes, He is called destroyer (Samharak). He only is the state and He only is the (Laya), because He can be a state, He can also be (Laya). I had told you about Shiva’s place in Kundalini Shastra. In a man’s heart, He always enlightens like the light of a lamp. Because of which the knowledge of right-wrong, discretion remains awakened, which goes on forbidding us, don’t do this, this is wrong, this is unrighteous. This is wrong, this is deceitfulness, this is is greed, this is pride, this is jealousy, this is Adharm, this is below the dignity of a man, this is not worthwhile. But the independence that a man has, is used by him very badly and he disregards Shiva. Shiva drinks the poison of the whole world. Whatever amount of poison is settled in our heart, aversion towards others, evil etc., very impure thoughts, our heart becomes poisonous, when Shiva awakens within us, He drinks that poison. Shiva’s food, His drink is poison, whatever intoxicating things are there, the intoxicants etc., all that is injurious to consciousness is consumed (prashaan) by Shiva. He consumes all the poison of this type, of the world, inside His own being. For the same reason, we offer Him (Bhang) etc., intoxicants symbolically. From this, a human being concludes that if Shiva can take (Bhang), we shall also take. If he drinks wine, we shall also have it. Are you Shivji ? Are you at par even to the dust of His feet. He who consumed the whole poison of the world, also needs some who can drink. Devi eats all the bhoots. Devi licked each drop of the blood of Rakhtabeeja that used to fall in the world. Can you lick that? Where do you stand in comparison to Him, that you came out to take Bhang like Shiva. Even if Shiva drinks bhang of the whole world, He doesn’t get intoxicated. Is it the case with you? Shiva belongs to Divine Estate (Sampada), is an incarnation. We do not understand what an incarnation is. Its metal is different. Its arrangement is different. Are you formed in that way? Are you made for the work that you will consume the poison of whole world. Many people say, Mother some drinks do not intoxicate us. There can be no greater falsehood than this. Some great gurus too like Sai Nath of Shirdi, was also an incarnation. He smoked a funnel shaped clay pipe for smoking (Chillum). Now everybody started smoking a pipe. Are you Sai Nath? He would smoke, so that you do not come in contact with Chillum at all. He smoked everybody’s Chillum once for all. He would smoke to digest everybody’s Chillum. Have you got the power to smoke Chillum? He could not be attacked by cancer. Those who are devotees of Shiva, should not even touch wine. They should not even go near it. They should run far away from it. On the contrary, all the tantrikas own five houses. What do they do? They call themselves (shaakt). Call themselves devotees of Shakti, devotees of Shiva, and adulterous to such an extent! Shiva and adultery! Shiva who is complete Bramhaswarupa, making such an enormity while taking His name, is causing complete downfall of their own. Because of being your Mother, I am telling you that never be under this wrong impression. The method of Tantra is absolutely mischevious. Today on the day of Mahashivratri , I want to tell you something about that definitely. The system of Tantra is that whatever is not liked by God, is not liked by Devi, do that only. All the wrong practices were done in the presence of Devi only. Adultry, all types of mockery, so that the Devi abandons that place out of hatered. In the beginning Devi acts violently over them. They Jump, dance, shout, scream, there is lot of heat, boils come out on skin. Many people call it the awakening of kundalini too. Many people came to me for treatment who say that they are feeling as if thousands of bacteria are biting inside their being. Our kundalini has awakened. And even some say they got big blisters on their body. Here in the institute there is a doctor, whose name I forgot. What is his name? Dr. Paul. He had come to me. He was saying, that somebody awakened his kundalini and thousands of scorpions bit his body. And poor fellow, while jumping stood near me, saying, “Mother, save me, save me.” I brought down his kundalini. Within one minute, I cooled down his kundalini. It was not kundalini, Shri Ganesha, who is the son of Shivji , who is the son of Shakti. It was His anger. When I asked him I understood. He told Me the name of the person who had awakened his kundalini. He doesn’t tell anyone his name out of fright, out of nervousness. That helpless person feels nervous just by thinking of Kundalini. They reduced him to such a condition and told him that your Kundalini has been awakened. All over the body there were blisters and hands and feet had burnt. Within one minute the kundalini was calm, fell asleep. Only Ganesha, Shri Ganesha because He knows me. There is a need to be away from such tantrikas. Going in front of the Devis, you go and see it in Khajuraho, what a mess these tantrikas have created. In the sixth century, after Shankaracharya, they started a new war. As soon as he said about Devi, they thought that now Mother’s reign is about to set in, so let us be after Her. The rulers of that time were very low charactered. Looked at Devi with evil eyes. How much evil minded people were ruling at that time? Full strip from here till Bengal and their ministers were these people only, jains. Among Jains, with regard to their food habits, they move out with a flap covering their mouth. There is no dispute related to women. With strips tied to their mouth, take a walk, think that they are out. They call Krishna as samharak (destroyer). Call Rama as Samharak. Although Mahavira is a higher personality. As I have set them in their proper place, the same way Jainis too set Mahavira at His proper place. These are the unique ways of everybody. They started this practice that let us send young boys and girl too to ashrams, as Pope does. Because of that, immorality was so much on the increase, so much compulsion, that even brahmins raised the issue that even after marriage, the people should be under control and in celibacy. Absolutely unnatural concepts, that pressure resulted in the completion of dirty displayings at Khajuraho. Although I will certainly say that the artists have done a great job. Wherever they have made idols, they have made big idols of Gods and Goddesses, having thick dia because, Gods and Goddesses are of thick stature. Because they need lot of water, so many wheels are moving continuously, so water is required from above. Otherwise how can it work? And the rest of these tall and thin they fixed just to please the king. But the person who was tantric of Konark, what to talk about him. And there only, you see there are some temples too, where these leftists (vammargis) go and put Devi into discontentment. Take some intoxicating drink, wine and indulge in adultery. And when Devi diverts Her attention from there, even from My photograph if you check, you will get vibrations right now, but if any scene of adultery is started in front of it, I will be missing from the photograph. You will not get any vibration. My attention gets away from there. There is no more attention, because why should Devi live where there is adultery and filth. Shivji sits at such places, for a pretty long time and there lashes out too. Bhairavnath also sets in there. Without His lashes people do not come round. First they get lot of lashes, their condition worsens. Even then they go on doing all this nonsensically. They call it penance (Tapasya). They fall sick, face problems, vomit, blood comes out, everything happens. Lot of heat generates in their body, but still they stick to it. Then even Shivji too disappears from there. Then they settle down there, make a solution of Charas (Charas is the name given to a hashish form of cannabis, for smoking) and Bhaang ( an intoxicating drink) and these cannabis smokers assemble and all adultery during the night takes place. And after that spirits are invited and with those spirits in their hands, they do all the trade about which I told you yesterday. This is the height of Shivji’s innocence. He is an embodiment of such innocence, that when Ravana told Him that now you better give me your Shakti, He (Shiva) gave Him even that. Such an innocence! So much Ingenuous! One who doesn’t know what is evil ! Consume evil, consume everything, get and consume whatever is to be consumed. As it is said that all the evils are washed out. So you can understand, that the evils are washed out in Ganga because it has come out of Shivji’s matted hair (Jatta). The evils that are washed out just by touching the Jatta of Shiva, if He is himself sakhshat, what will He be ? (How much powerful He will be?) Just tell! One who simply sakhshat by doing, sinks the vices, one whose rememberance only by devotion, all the badhas of Bhavsagar, all those who like animals and birds are stuck up, whatever dirt, living or non living, are brought to an end. For such Shivji people say that He gets happy by such adultery. In such a world what can be talked about? These Tantrikas are Shivji’s enemies, they will die in hell like worms. They will be in hell for thousands of years. There is no doubt about it. But those who get mesmerised by them, and follow their advice, use spirits , destroy others, they too are going to be destroyed after them. On the day of this great festival of Shivji, all the Sahajyogis should take a vow that their heart should be absolutely pure. It should have simplicity, complacency (Sajjanta). We should introspect ourselves and feel ashamed that are we so rogue that we think like that? Look at your heart and ask,” Are we so miser and low charactered people that we are thinking like that?” To keep Shivji awakened, man should be extremely simple hearted. Shivji was innocent, such people are very innocent and people say that such people are cheated. Even if the whole world cheats them, he doesn’t lose anything. You lose everything, if you cheat. Don’t cheat anyone. As such it is not an act of bravery, that you act foolishly. If you cheat anyone even once, you cannot be forgiven for that. You may be cheated by someone thousand times, you won’t lose anything. One who is innocent, cannot be cheated by anyone. These are emotional feelings that such and such a person deceived him, that person deceived him. What do you collect by cheating? Wealth? How much harmful is the money procured by cheating, you don’t have any idea. Recently in Rahuri, a gentleman came to Me and said, “our ancestor’s some money has been dug in the land, Mother, we know it has been dug there. Earlier, three generations before somebody tried to take it out. The same day, there were three deaths in the family. After that, second generation started to take it out. That time also there were three deaths in the family. Then same thing happened fourth time. Now we are there. Now what should we do?” I said,” forget this wealth, forget it absolutely. Let it dissolve. There is no need to touch it.” After killing somebody, keeping somebody’s children hungry, after torturing somebody’s spirit, you have got this money. That their spirits are in great agony, is a great thing. There is furious Shakti. That will consume your children, their children and their children. That is Shivji’s job. Shivji is very innocent, but you are not aware of His wrath. His wrath is dangerous. The snake around His throat, understands everything. Whosoever will bother such a spirit , because Shivji resides in Atma, his condition will be such for generations together. I am not telling a lie. You are saying, Mataji talks like that only! Recently, in Hyderabad, in a gentleman’s house, started telling Me,”Please come, he is very rich, is very this, is very that.” I said,”I am not concerned with the riches. I am poor and am ok with My poverty.” He insisted too much saying,”Mother please come. He has invited, invited with reverence.” I said,” Ok! If it will be on the way, I will go.” As soon as I put My step in their house, I put one step back. They asked, “What happened?” I said,” This house is under the influence of a great curse.” They asked Me,” How do you know? I told them,” Is it so or not? Tell Me the truth. I won’t step inside. Tell the truth.” They admitted, “Yes, It is!” Two young children of that family have been sitting like this always in a chair. Both hands and feet in the same position, they eat like that only, sleep too in the same position. They requested Me to cure them. I said, “Please forgive Me, I am leaving.” Soon I came out. I said to them,”Even now, you are doing the same job, that your ancestors have done.” They started telling,”In our family two children have been always like that.” And still the same thing is going on? “These are the only two children in this generation. There is no third one. So what will the future of this family?” I said,” You think of family, think of money, and lick that and eat. And Paste it all around and if you can’t do that, take out a procession.” To torture somebody’s Atma (spirit), especially to depress a poor man, to invoke Ah (curse) from his Atma, you must know that Shivji’s reign goes a long way. Outwardly you feel that you have collected everything, you have come back and brought all the belongings of his home. Daughter-in-law has come at home, her mother-in-law is torturing her. She feels a great pleasure in torturing her. She is deceiving her. My mother-in-law tortured me so much, I too shall torture her. Don’t invoke her curses. Don’t invoke a poor man’s curses. Don’t invoke the curses of anyone’s heart. Never do that. Know that, there resides Shivji and the more a person is innocent, the more Shivji ‘s reign will prevail there. Never take the advantage of an innocent man. Always be surrendered to an innocent man because Shivji is awakening there. That is why he is innocent. A human being happens to be innocent only when, Shivji is awakening within him. People torture an innocent man, cheat him. Specially those who are money conscious, those who go on counting each penny, they make fun of an innocent person. Money you will get sometime or other, but you cannot escape Shivji’s curse. You will say that Mother you are scaring us just for nothing! I am not scaring you. I am cautioning you. Be alert! Shivji’s workout is very deep and going to be for a very long time, because Shivji is going to be till the end. When there will be total Laya, even then Shivji will be there and when there will be beginning, even then Shivji will be there. And in between, afterwards when I shall tell you, I will tell you when Vishnuji comes. Today, on the day of Mahashivratri, all of us have to make a determination, that we will not invoke any curse. We will not do injustice to anyone for anything. Somebody is poor, some needy, some inferior to us, some dependant on us, whosoever is like that, it is Shivji’s kingdom there. Treat them with complacency.They are the servants of their home. They won’t give them anything to eat, grab their money, people beat their servants just for two paisas (little pennies), overlooking that Shivji has established in their being and shivji’s wrath can harm you.I am telling you the truth. Not even a single word or a single drop is untruth. If you want, you can check it by vibrations also, all the sahajyogis check it, how much strong vibrations you get for this. If I am telling untruth even a single word, your vibrations will stop flowing. To do injustice to anyone is to be a culprit in front of Shivji. Gentlemanliness, courtesy, politeness, bowing down, being cheated too is ok. There should be no false knowledge of Shivji. My Dear, “Did you get cheated? Don’t worry, I will see to it.” Oh! Bhairav Nath is standing by his side. He will give you one rod, all of you will get set. You have not yet understood tricks of Bhairav Nath. He doesn’t grab even a single penny. All over, He uses His rod all around and he hits in such a way, that the impact will be for generations together. For generations! In this respect, Hanumanji is slightly milder. He is slightly better. But don’t meddle with Bhairav Nath ji. So, those who are inferior to you, those who are schedule caste, those who rely on you, those who are dependant on you, have mercy on them, must shower your love and compassion to them. Just see Shivji! Where is He sitting! In the graveyard, where nobody can sit, He is sitting on the ashes. You cannot find any communist better than him. He came for the wedding, with ashes all over, Snakes around His neck and riding on a bull. Just Think, does anyone sit on a bull, with ashes all over, in a strange attire, matted hair, with bare minimum clothing, wrapped lion’s skin around. And with Him, all the bhoots, one better than the other were following. And their wives, some of them having one eye, two noses and some having four horns were following them. All the disfigured, lunatics and those who are as fast as lightening, those whom we look down upon with inferiority, some are physically deranged, we laugh at them, cut jokes at them. If somebody is deaf, is made fun of. Thank God that both of your ears are ok. Thank God that your both the eyes are ok. You never held the hand of a blind person. On the contrary, you feel a great pleasure, in pushing him. Look at such God Shivji, that His bharat is coming and at Parvati ji’s house all the great people are there. Her brother Vishnuji is standing by Her side. All the sophiscated people are on one side and this bharat of Shivji is proceeding on the other side. But nobody dared to laugh at Shivji or at those people. He is coming with all having ugly and monstrous faces, disfigured and cruel people graciously.. Not with any inferiority complex. If our father is poor and if he is asked to come to our office, we will tell him ,”Don’t come”. We will not even give him clothes. We feel ashamed even of our father. We are so down trodden people. He is coming graciously with all of them, How great he is! Some nude, some half nude (nang, dhunang), some short of clothes, nothing, they are coming in their normal attire with Shivji. And Parvatiji is getting nervous on seeing that My groom has come to My house, He is just making it disgraceful for Me. At least He should have brought some good people in the front row. But now what to say? Bhairavnathji is coming in the forefront. Just think, what type of marriage it is! But in Parvatiji’s heart only He has a place. She doesn’t like anyone else. Whatever they are, whatever the people from in-laws are, although the women from their side have only one eye, but even then they are Her husband’s home people. Their respect, their food, to look at them with her eyes down (is Her duty), because I am from the family of Vishnuji, My brother like vishnuji is standing, in whose house Kuberas fill water and I myself am the daughter of Himalayas. With such a thought of Parvatiji in mind, we should think that in this world, the Shivji whom we pay regard, on whom the whole world is dependant, who can destroy us in a moment, when there will be destruction, He comes out of the form of eleven Rudras, destroyes everything. And whosoever is watching this play in a witness state, for whom everything of the world, creation etc., is just nothing and He who in a witness state is enjoying the world and who is awakened in every innocent person, who lives at such places where nobody can go, the most violent, rude and poverty stricken. He doesn’t decorate Himself, no great grandeur, but without Him nothing is brilliant. To such shivji whosoever pays regard, is a real human being because he pays regard to humanity. Not because that particular person is a senior officer, because that particular person has a lot of money, because that particular person is so educated, the other person has this, but because he is a noble human being. May be he is poor, maybe he is rich, maybe he is of low profile, or of high profile, but he is a great noble human being and a noble human being is one who is personified at the feet of Shivji. Today it is not such a day that I should even make you feel sad, because today is a very auspicious day. But one thing I will tell definitely that there is no need to fast on the day of Shivratri. It is totally the opposite. Whosoever has said it, don’t know what is the basis of this in scriptures. I ask any priest to tell me in which Shastra it is written that on the day of Shivji’s marriage you will fast. Why? Gentlemen, tell Me any basis of this Shastra, I want to know. Shastras too have been misrepresented, but even then I want to know, what is the basis of this Shastra that at a wrong place………. Today, rejoice, make merriment. Today is the day of merriment. How many people have come here after observing fast? Raise your hands. Those who have been on fast, cannot get their realisation today. Try it! And those who have got their realisation, you too will be saved today. You are not going to get vibrations. Try it! Try and check! Are you getting vibrations? (Some say,” Are not getting, they are faint”.) Don’t tell a lie! (a sahajyogini--I have started getting such cool vibrations) You are not fasting, So I am happy with you today! You didn’t fast today? Good! You are a loving child! Today, you don’t have to fast. Today you eat a lot. Take laddoo after reaching your home. Fast after eating food? [one Sahajyogini,“No, I took phalahar (fruits).”] Why phalahar? Today you have to take a lot. His food is almonds and pistachio. Eat, eat a lot. He eats chickpeas (channa). Deviji takes Chickpeas. You also take chickpeas. Who takes fruits and flowers? They all talk nonsense. You should check from health related scripture that if our Shivji is established, is existing, what is needed for existence? What should you take? Say! You know it is carbohydrates. We cannot get energy without that. Today all of us should take carbohydrates of every type. Or we should take proteins. The more proteins you take, the better it is. Take more and more proteins. Chickpeas contains proteins. Chickpeas is only proteins. Whatever protein is there, should be taken for Shivji. For heart what a wonderful thing it is. If you are of devoid of love for others, you should also take carbohydrates. But the most important thing is that you should take proteins. And today you will take fruits which should not be taken. I do not understand any such basis of it in scriptures but the concept is going on and everybody is following it. Right now, whosoever has started it, must be the tantrikas only. He cannot be some one else. I cannot understand, that there is anyone else, that anyone will do so delibrately. One should think naturally that the day it is someone’s birthday or marriage, people do not remain hungry. That day people rejoice, they are happy. The day when somebody dies, people should remain hungry. In our country, It is like this, that the day somebody dies, or the doors of hell are open, they don’t fast, that day they eat on getting early! So, today eat happily and enjoy! But, on the day of Narak chaturdashi, you should fast. So that day, take bath early, after getting up early at 4 o’clock and take their break fast. See how opposite it is! Now if I say so, you can’t say I am like Kabir, You will say that Mataji is telling all the opposite. But Whatever is categorical, accept it in straight forward manner. And whatever is opposite, will have to be accepted as opposite because whatever is truth, is nothing but truth. Nobody can destroy it, nobody can deteriorate it. And whether it is truth or untruth, check by your vibrations. Whatever I am telling, if it is untruth, you will come to know with the help of your vibrations. All your computers have started working on their own. Many people’s computers are working. Those whose are not working, they too will work soon. You will surely get vibrations for this. Yes? ( one sahajyogini,”Getting a lot of fragrance.”) Especially, within your being Shivji’s establishment is too much. You are too innocent! Yes, now tell Me. Let us meditate for some time, because they were saying that many people for realisation….have your friends come for realisation?

2/19/1977

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Talk To New Yogis, Problems From Fake Gurus

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Talk To New Yogis - Problems From Fake Gurus. New Delhi, 19 February 1977. [Translation from Hindi to English] Many of you have got realization, means you have started feeling vibrations in your hands. I have already told you about the Chakras. I know that many of you are feeling the vibrations in your hands, but many have still not felt it. One thing I am not able to understand (disturbance … Mr. Verma is telling you not to keep getting up from our seats. It causes disturbance). Those who have got realization, those who are feeling vibrations in their hands, and who have become thoughtless, if we tell them anything, then even those who have not got their realization should also listen, so that very soon they will also get realization. As many as possible should get their realization. And they will. Mostly everyone gets it. But if there are some people who have already collected some knowledge from other sources, regarding realization, regarding dharmas, and other ideas; for them it takes a longer time, because we have to bring them into the right path. Like for someone who has proceeded on the wrong road, like the information that someone told Me just now, that was completely wrong, and these false gurus have been doing this business of misleading people into the wrong path. All these people who go into these paths get completely destroyed. Now those who have gone to their destruction .. I am making an estimate that in this country alone, at least 3 crore people have been systematically sent to their destruction, and it is impossible to retrieve them. And even if a few of them come to us, they come in the last stages of destruction, and we cannot do anything for them. Then we just have to let them go and take their rebirth, and then get realization. Now the experience that you have had there, will not be the same for others. Some will get distressed and suffer, some will get influenced and do all what they are told to do by these various teachers. We must understand that our attitude towards Sahaja Yoga should be that we have to achieve something out of it. I have to take something inside, and that is why I have to receive something. We have to recognize and accept the truth. Or like someone said just now, “Shri Mataji You do not take any money” and this appeals to you and you come. But this feeling is not correct that we are gaining something out of you. From your talk it appears that you feel we are obligated, not you. Mostly people who say this is wrong with me, or that is wrong with me, and please correct it, we can understand. So the attitude should be that you have to acquire or achieve something from Sahaja Yoga On one side you are there, and on the other are the deities. The deities have their places already made on the Chakras. If you have insulted or injured them by your behavior, then to awaken them again will require a lot of work and effort. And whatever efforts we make to reinstate them and bring their attention on those chakras, if there is no acceptance or alignment from your side, then there is nothing we can do. Suppose there is a man living in a house, just for a worldly example. Because worldly people like worldly examples. If you have to go to a minister to get a house, you have to go to him and ask him to give you a house. But if the minister sees that you are not agreeable to take the house, then how will the minister sanction you a house. In the same way we have to understand that in Sahaja Yoga God Almighty has made arrangements inside you to enlighten your lamp, and you are being invited to come inside and light your lamp. But if you start arguing and hesitating about irrelevant things, that it is like this, and it is like that. Like many people ask Me why I wear only white sarees. If I wear red, then they will ask why red! This is on the matter of human brains. Because in Sahaja Yoga you have full freedom . If you want to come inside you come, and if you want to leave, then you can go outside. We are never going to stop you. We will never catch your hand and make you stay. If you come of your own free will and stay with us, we will look after you. But if we force you nothing thing can happen, nor do we put any constraint on you to come. Neither do we say that if you leave us and go, bad things will happen. You come and improve yourself. When you reach the understanding that there is no bandhan of Mother on us; I have come here, I am sitting here to take something from Mother. The second thing is that now I have come to Mother, I must have faith in Her or not. If you say that I do not have belief or faith in You, but you give me, then why should I give. My relationship with the gods is that of a Mother. If a Mother says the word “son”, then nothing more is required. But all these great ones who are sitting around all of you, can know at once, all those who have shraddha (faith) towards Mother. You will have to have a little faith. I am telling you the inside story. You will have to have a little bit of faith in Me. Otherwise it wont work out. Secondly, if there is anything wrong with your health, some illness or something else, it will take longer. If you have any other problems like some may have mental problems, some who are possessed, in whom there may be bhoots or badhas. Others have other problems which may be a hindrance. But the most difficult are those, like the gentleman who showed Me the letter. These poor souls get ensnared by going to the wrong gurus and bowing their heads to them. The Kundalinis of such people do not rise at all. [Shri Mataji asks for a letter to be read. A yogi reads the following:] [English Transcript] Dear Mataji, A few years ago, Swami Muktananda initiated me in his yoga. He calls it Siddha Yoga. It is supposed to be a form of Kundalini Yoga. Since then, I have been suffering from a heavy pressure in the head and spine, inability to think clearly or concentrate, some sort of movement in the backbone which certainly isn't pleasant, nervousness, difficulty in facing people and situations, bad memory, obsession with the past and some sort of involuntary fixation with sex. Perhaps the Kundalini has been activated. Whatever it is, there is nothing spiritual about it. There is no sign of peace or silence or impersonal love. I am sure I have not benefitted spiritually through my contact with him. For all I know I was a better person spiritually before I met him. Would You please help me at least to get normal. Pranamas. Ibrahim Khan - A seeker. Shri Mataji: Absolutely correct. And I must congratulate him for this bold action that he has taken; is a very bold action. Of course we have some others here who will share his thoughts, very much who have suffered. And those- Yogi: He's here. Shri Mataji: He's here. And there are many who have suffered on account, they have taken him out and they are much better now. And they are very good and absolutely what you have said is correct. It has to be a spiritual experience of bliss and joy, first thing. It has to be, secondly, a thing that enriches you, makes you much wiser, makes you sharper and alert. It has to be a energy-giving thing. Apart from that you are made a much better person; there's a regular transformation in your being. Now there are, you will be surprised like this, at least sixteen big ones, sixteen of them, they are doing this kind of job. And people are sending thousands of rupees to these people, thousands! He came from Lond- some place, America or somewhere, he has brought crores of foreign exchange. Crores of foreign exchange, how did he manage? You have been a religious man and that's why you have been opposing it. And by God's grace you are going to get the reality, no doubt. The person who is initiated and is not a religious man will get into the mood. He'll start misbehaving, he'll take to ganja [marijuana — ed], he'll take to all kinds of drugs, he will take to bad sexual habits, he'll be perverted man, he will start becoming a smuggler and a thief and he'll do all the things. But a man who is a really, a religious man by heart will resist it and because of resistance he will get all these symptoms. But I'm happy you have resisted him and I promise that I will give you realization here and here. And I'm very happy that you have done it. But so many like this. I've already told you that even with gross calculation three crores [30 million - ED] already on a way to doom. Of course some are going to be saved not out of those three crores are absolutely towards their doom. Then they come and argue with Me. The thing is, they have done so much wrong to themselves by wrong things and then they come and argue with me; this is something I can't understand. You cannot argue it out. If I can cure you I will give My life, every... every part of My being, I would say, every drop of My blood to save humankind. I will go out of the way for saving them, but you must understand that this is not spirituality. Spirituality is promised in all the scriptures whether it is Koran, it is Geeta, anywhere, that you are born again. You become a transformed personality and a higher personality. [Translation from Hindi to English] [Shri Mataji asks a lady]: How are you? Are you better than before. Yes? It has started slowly. Yours also. Yes, you will also start feeling, because he has started feeling. Sit like this with your hands open. Like you sit for namaz (prayer). Relax. Now those of you who have got realization, I am saying this for you. But those who have not yet got it, they will also get. To give realization, you don’t get it by any lecture. This is a straightforward thing. You get realization not by any lectures, but by being exposed. Exposing yourself. Because this Sakti is present within us. We are only required to expose. When this Shakti enters your being in a most subtle way, then your Kundalini becomes aware of Whom we are facing. Who is in front of us. She knows Me, but you do not. And She rises from Her abode. And she comes up and breaks the fontanelle bone area, the Brahmarandhra. Then by this, within you, you feel the cool breeze. The cool breeze flowing within you. Slowly slowly, as you grow into it, as you master the techniques, then you have no doubts. When you receive this Shakti within you, then you realize how great it is, and you start giving it to the whole world. Those who have already got their realization, they are doing a lot of work. But in Delhi, out of those who have got realization, very few of them come out. This is a very sad state. After realization, they feel that they are enjoying, and they should go home and sleep and rest. This is very wrong. You should be there to help others to get it. And because of this the people here don’t get trained properly. Realised people of other places get trained very well, but in Delhi this is a great weakness, that they just sit in their houses and don’t come out for the spreading programs. Do to this many people don’t get their realization. In Mumbai thousands have got realization. The least numbers are in Delhi. I don’t know why. People from all states live here. Now all of you sit with your hands like this. This is for people who have got their realization. You don’t have to do anything special. In Sahaja Yoga you know all the arrangements are built in within you. Only it is a matter of igniting. All the system is built in within you, seven chakras and if there is a problem in a chakra, then the Kundalini does not rise. Otherwise it is sitting in 3.1/2 coils, and rises on Her own, and does the complete job. If there is a problem in any chakra, She stops there and repairs any damage. Sometimes She can even be seen pulsating at a particular chakra. Tomorrow I will show you. Wherever there is a catch in a chakra, Kundalini can be seen at that spot, doing Her job. I am telling you about the state after realization. Those who have just got their realization should listen carefully and also those who have not yet got it, should also listen. But all of you should keep your hands open like this. All. I had told you in the beginning that the Kundalini is inside you like this cord. Now you are like a computer, and your cord has to be connected to the mains. I have connected it through the Brahmarandhra, in the middle. Now what information is coming to you through this new connection, like Jung has said, there is the Universal Unconscious, and from the Unconscious messages keep coming. Then he says there is a Shakti called Universal Unconsciousness, which we call as the All Pervading Love of the Paramatma, or God Almighty. (someone asks “Universal Unconsciousness?”). Unconscious! It is called Universal Unconscious, because it is not in our consciousness. So it is called Unconscious (A-chetan), which has not yet come into our chetana (consciousness). Once it comes into our chetana, then Universal Consciousness comes into us. This does not come by any lectures. It happens. There is a happening that takes place inside you. This begins to flow inside you. And you come into a new, absolutely new, awareness. Like a blind man cannot see. Also a human being knows what is beauty. Animals do not. So in this way you come into a new awareness state, where you become Collectively Conscious. Means, what happens, that on your hands you can feel the chakras of others and the state of their Kundalini. Instantaneously. At that moment. Like as soon as you get your realization, you can put your hands towards a0nother person and read the state of his chakras. Now this knowledge is subjective. There are two kinds of knowledge. One, which you understand from outside, and the other which you know from the inside. Like, if we are the manager of an office, then we know everything abot that office. But if someone comes from outside, he can only see what is outside. But the man who works in the office, knows it from inside. This is how it works. When you put your hands towards any realized soul, you will get cool breeze on your hands. On the fingers you have five chakras. This is the sixth, and this is the seventh. This is the first chakra, the Mooladhara, which is the chakra there on the chart. Mooladhara Chakra is the seat of Shri Ganesha. Now there is a left and a right. The two hands have a left side and a right side. There is the Left Sympathetic Nervous System and the Right Sympathetic Nervous System. Now, there was a need for someone to teach you the decoding of the system. So I have come. Because if no one teaches you how to decode the system, how will you work your computer. Now in the hand, in this place, is the Mooladhara Chakra. Mooladhara Chakra is placed right down. As I told you, it has four petals. This is the seat of Shri Ganesha. Now, all of you realized souls, ask a question – Is Mooladhara Chakra the seat of Shri Ganesha. Ask Shri Ganesha, “Is Mool-adhara Your place? Are You on this Chakra?” You will get a response. As realized souls, if you ask, you will get strong vibrations. Because the question is a solemn one. Are you feeling it. Do you get extra vibrations your hands? More than before? Ask Kundalini. Just ask the question. Put your hands towards Me and ask. Is it coming. In this place? Is something happening here. For those who have just got their realisatio, it should happen. When you place your hands on others you will feel it. Sometimes when you put your hands towards a person, even a child, you will have a burning sensation on your fingers. This left side is the emotional side, and the right side is the physical side. If you feel a burning on the emotional side, the left side, it means that someone has used bad techniques to raise his kundalini. Mostly those who try wrong methods of raising the Kundalini, they have a burning on this left hand. Because they use sublimation of sex on the left side, and completely ruin this chakra. So the catch, the burning, is here. And if you get it on the other hand, the right hand, there is some problem with that person about sex. If it gets numb, then there may be impotency. If there is numbness, then we can understand that that man is impotent. And if it comes higher up on the right side, then the person is suffering from constipation. As you practice more and more, your hands will become very sensitive. And those who are born realized, even if you blindfold them, they will register the catches. I am just telling you in a general way. I cannot tell you in detail just now. I am writing a book in which I will explain everything in detail, and you will be able to understand it all. Now these two fingers, thumbs, they represent the Swadishtana Chakra. This one is the Swadishtana. The thumbs of the right hand, the right side of this chakra, is creativity as I told you. The Swadishtana is the seat of Shri Brahmadeva and his Shakti is Shri Saraswati. If a man thinks too much, or plans a lot, he uses the energy of this chakra. And the chakra which is shown in the thub, rotates around, and on the edges whatever organs are there it supplies energy. Means the kidneys, upper and lower part of the liver, and your spleen. And the uterus in women. It looks after all these organs. Now if this chakra gets a catch, then you can know that you have diabetes, in a general way, or some problem with the spleen. When both sides of this chakra are caught up badly, then cancer has set in; and with the overactivity of this chakra it becomes galloping. When this happens we can understand that some outside badha or entity, has entered and is working on this chakra. (Someone interrupts). So, you understand. Now if there is a lady, and her husband’s first wife has died, just suppose, and she did not have any children, and her husband marries another woman, the first lady dies in an accident or unnatural circumstances, and she never had a child, so her entity might enter into this second wife, and she may come back. The mental side. Now mentally if she is disturbed about it, and thinks about it, that she had no child, I also may not have a child – if she has a fear about it, it will act on the uterus and she will also not have children. This is the emotional side of it. English part: If there is a lady and her, you see her, the first wife has died. Supposing take a question, and she has had no children or something like she died as an atrupta atma and the husband marries another woman. And the first lady died in a mess or in a atrupta way and she never had a child. So she, her entity might enter into this woman's entity and she may come into that woman. You see this is a, this is a emotional side, so emotionally if she is disturbed about it, if she thinks about it that she had no child, "I may not have a child," if she has a fear like that or something, it will act on the uterus and she will also not have children. That's the emotional side of it. And the right hand side if you have a uterus trouble and uterus problem or anything like that, then also you cannot have. But when these two meet together, a galloping sort of a movement starts of both the sympathetic nervous system and then you can say that it is a cancer has been set in. But cancer is set into us every moment and is destroyed every moment by parasympathetic. Because if the activity of the sympathetic nervous system is the cause of cancer means everybody has it. You see, is possible it is and the more - if you do it over-activity, more than what is needed - it sets in. A man who is a great planner say, he's a very great planner and he's a very great this thing, and he gets, sort of all his time devoted to work and work and work, he develops a deficiency in the spleen because this also supplies to the spleen. And that's how spleen and then your liver and kidney all put together give you the disease known as diabetes. Diabetes is only caused among people who think too much. Diabetes will not happen among the people who are poor because they don't sit down and think and bother about things. So diabetes is caused among such people. Mostly it is caused among men, less among women. Doctors do not know the cause of diabetes. Now if I tell them Swadishthana Chakra and Brahmadeva's activities, they will say, "Mataji, this is beyond us." But if tell them imbalance, if there is imbalance in life, if there is imbalance in life, then it is caused. It is due to the imbalance in life because such a man, you see when he starts planning too much, thinking too much, he has no time for emotional activities. Like, you see he has no time for his children, he has no time for his wife, he has no time for anybody to, you see express themself. If he can have the balance between the two, if he's a very loving man then the balance is maintained. But mostly what happens, a man who takes to hard work, he has no time for his children. Then if he gets a little time for his children, children think, "Oh it's a great thing." And such a, such a personality has diabetes. And the diabetes has such a vicious circle that it goes on increasing and increasing and increasing. Then it increases up to the - you see it can go up to the eyes you may start getting very weak eyes with diabetes. And I mean anything can happen because you start, lets say the sugar in the... sugar in the blood is not consumed, so for such a person who suffers from diabetes there's a very simple method, if he's a realized soul. You see, if he's a realized soul - that's one "if" is there. If he's not, then nothing can work out; all these things are for realized people. You have to put your - now as you say that your right side is weak, your right is being used too much, your left side is weak. So what you have to do is to put the left hand towards the photograph raise your left hand and put it to the right hand, like this. Now what happens when the left side is weak, you see there is... on the top of the head there are two balloon-like structures, one of them goes on to the front and another goes at the back. But one comes from the right, another comes from the left. Now the one which comes on the left because it crosses over, so the left one is responsible for the right hand, and the right one is responsible for the left hand. So by doing like this what you do is to press your ego backward and that's how you get a complete balance there and the Kundalini rises in between. Because one side is too much pressed and the another side is suppressed. Raise your left hand side like this, all right, raising it like this. Left hand side, left hand, left hand yes teek hai. Left with the right hand you will have to raise. [Translation from Hindi to English] Left hand towards Me. Raise it like this. From here. And put like this and bring it down here. Now raise it again. Now what you are doing is... English part: Now what are you pushing back here? By pushing this thing on this side you are pushing it this way. Now left side you are raising the super ego and right side you are pushing the ego, because such a man develops ego also, because he works through his ego. We plan through our ego. Ego doesn't mean egoistical. Ego everyone has, if you do not have ego you are a realized soul. But you have, ego and superego both are there, they are there, they exist. So what happens, too much of ego develops because of planning because we do all this planning and everything through ego. So the ego is pushed back and you get the balance. And this what the doctors do not think of: balancing a person, because we are not only physical being, we are emotional being, we are also a intellectual being, we are also a spiritual being. So there should be a balance between all these beings and they should be all integrated. But doctors do not think like that, so the imbalance works like that and that's how you get into problem. [Hindi speaker asks a question indistinctly.] Shri Mataji: You see ego or superego both in imbalance is not a good state for Kundalini rising. If the ego is too much developed, for example, it is pressing your superego. Now the superego is suppressed, for example all the developing countries. All the developed countries have a big ego. So too much ego they press the superego. Because of pressing of the superego, what happened that their ego developed too much; the superego gave them a bump, because if you press too much it has a reaction. So in their society, people just became sort of what you call the hippies, they gave up. They said, "This planning when... finish it off. We are going to lead another kind of life." So they took to superego and superego is all these drugs and these serious things to get towards the suppression of your self. You see, first these people were violent outside but then they became violent to themselves. So both things are wrong whether you are violent to yourself or violent to others. [Man indistinctly]: Sorry, Mother, isn't it about one's body, it's only about one's mind. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, you see, the ego and superego are both things, are two forces within us which is balanced, is balanced, then only the Kundalini can rise otherwise this [?] there should be a gap between the two, actually it creates a gap. But if one side is overdeveloped any one of them, a person who is possessed has a superego mostly, but a person can be also possessed by a egoistical bhoot. For example this Transcendental people all of them have their ego side developed too much. You cannot push them back. Because there is, you see, anything can bloat. Somebody, egoistical man can enter into you, you see and you can have a superego on you. Sort of you can start thinking that you are a very great dynamic man, you think no end of yourself. And actually it is somebody else who is putting ideas into your head and you are a bloated person. Translation from Hindi: Like people say his brain has gone off. God save us from him. Don’t they say like this. That’s what it is. People’s brains go out of order. English part You spoil your head because you get into that over-ego, double ego if somebody else is acting in you. Sometimes you yourself can develop your ego too much, but sometimes somebody else comes into you and tells you. And he talks as if you wont believe, he talks like a, like a Hitler. You think that "What is this come up?" Man: That means that he can possess your ego? Shri Mataji: He possesses your ego, enters into your ego and supplies information through your ego. It can - Mostly it enters through your superego, mostly because most of them are depraved people. So these depraved people also can enter into your left hand side and they can also give you ideas and you can become - you see they do not really give you ideas, but they make your life miserable. Such people when they enter into you, you become giddy. You feel terrible, you will get a headache, or sometimes if you start acting according to them, then you can become a very depraved man also. Actually the ego people cannot see. You see a man can never see his ego, it's rather difficult and they think, "Oh, I'm correct after all I'm such-and-such so I, whatever I'm doing is correct." You see? It's very difficult to see your ego. Because human beings can see their superego very easily as it harms them, physically also. If you have got a possession on you, you are harmed but if there is a ego you are not harmed. By ego you harm others so you are not harmed. But by superego you are harmed, so you can see that. But ego it harms others and you go on harming others; you don't know what you are doing and you think, "Oh I'm very correct, whatever I'm doing is correct." So these are the two types of balloons which covers your head. In between them is the space which we call the vilamba. That space is created through the Kundalini rising. But actually when the Kundalini rises, first what She does, She comes up to the Agnya, below the Agnya, on this on this plate which we call as moordha [Sanskrit for "head" - ED] plate, the lower plate of the brain, it touches it, you see. And then it comes down again on these two channels of ida and pingala which cools it down. And by cooling it down it fills it up and the cooling brings down both the ego and superego a little bit and a space is created. And then when the Kundalini really rises upward, then it passes through that space. Actually you can see here with some people who get realization, a big depression. Sometimes people have depression here. If they have a badha in their Nabhi then they get a depression here, or sometimes they get a depression here. A regular depression you can get here, if you feel it, even those who are realized can feel it, is a soft thing if you can press it, you know it can work out, you must feel it. You put your right hand towards Me you can feel it. There's a little depression you can press it down, you feel better. You feel better with that. Pressing a little bit makes you better, feeling much better. [Translation from Hindi to English] Left hand towards Me. Press it like this. English part: Now the situation in all the developing countries is that their ego is overdeveloped now. Now, when they are trying to develop themselves, because they are developing; all the developing countries are doing it through their ego, so naturally their ego is very much developed, that's why I'm saying that, "Put your right hand." But in the countries which are really over developed now, who are fed up of their ego and fed up, they call themselves as "colossal egoistical people" and they condemn themselves for that. All the time what they are doing is to condemn themselves, this is the superego acting. To condemn themselves they'll go out of the way to do all kinds of hazardous thing. If you tell them, "You stand on your heads," they will stand on their heads. They will do everything that you tell them and they will try to, sort of, give trouble to their body, they'll say, "What's the use of having a nice house, let us sleep on the ground." And they'll do all these things just to torture themselves because their superego starts acting on the ego. And by which you see they again go to the other extreme. What you have to do is to be in balance. [Shri Mataji talks to someone in front] Now let Me down, ha. You keep your question till the end, you should say. Are you sitting in the front for that? Now you don't disturb everyone please, for heavens sake. Shri Mataji: No, no, it is a disturbance because My thoughts are going and you just now keep quiet because I'm reading everybody's mind and answering. All right, just keep quiet because everybody's disturbed. So, now what happens, that the thought - you see of thoughts of a superego is just to make the ego look down. So it pushes down and it suggests such ideas like, "We should sacrifice everything, why should we have a household, why should we have children, why should we have all these junky, affluent things? Let us lead a life of a ascetic." But in the asceticism in their asceticism they take to drugs because it is a superego style. Drug is a superego style. If you take to drinks, if you take to these things too much then you are going to the superego style. Ego style would be, would be not to take to drinks. Asceticism is to kill yourself, comes from the left hand side, in the sense that the superego tells you that you just give up things. But actually it is not, because the main thing is that they do it, they do all these things, but actually in the heart of hearts or what you can say, the mind of minds, what they want to do is to indulge into a very superego activity and the superego activity is drinks, drugs and sex, these three. Actually this is the main thing but they think they have given up, you see, they believe in it, they believe in it. Not that they are in any way... they are genuine, they are genuinely believing in it. They believe that by doing sex, over-activity of the sex, by doing, taking drugs and by being a sort of very licentious and very permissive, they have been trying to go to God. Actually they believe in it, I tell you, you don't condemn them because it is their faith. They think that these people have been keeping to these rules and regulation, it has come as a reaction, you see. See, in England they the had those straight coats, and you could have five types of glasses on the table and you have to use this for the whiskey, that for the thing and this for that and so much of regimentation that when they wanted to give it up they said, "Now let us give it up completely." So when they gave it up, as a reaction, it worked so well that they have given up, they think they have given up everything, but they have given up all that was good, all that was nice and whatever was bad they have taken it up, even in a worse way - means licentiousness, permissiveness, drinks, drinking, drugs and sex. So this how the sup- this thing works out. Now the right hand side: the egoistical man. He may be a man who might be a absolutely a, absolutely a puritanical, he can be puritanical also. You might find many like this. For example we can see in our scriptures, we have people like Harishchandra... the one who was torturing Harishchandra, [Shri Mataji asks for the name in Hindi]: What was his name? Man: Vishwamitra. Shri Mataji: Vishwamitra. Then we have got many others, you know, so many of them like hot-tempered people, very hot-tempered, you cannot touch them. But you see, because they had no wife, no children, nothing, no balancing, they lived a, you see, with eating what you call these grass or some leaves and things and celibacy, forced celibacy, all sorts of you know, frantic things they did. Naturally such people had to be hot tempered. You know they were heated up by their, this forced thing. I mean going through another extreme of things, you see, to - I mean whatever was natural. God has given you all these natural things - live in a sanctified, natural way. But either you will have ten women or you will have no woman some sort of a, you see an extreme behavior from one to another, going to one extreme to another. And when they went to another extreme, the ego, you see they were so egoistical, you have read about these people but you must have met many people, even in the government office you might see that, you see you cannot just look at them, if you even if you look at them they'll just punch at you thinking that, you see, you have insulted them by raising your eyes to them, sort of people, you will find some of them around. So this type of temperament develops because of extreme activity of the ego that you cannot talk to them. If you say anything they'll say, "Oh... I will see him, I will put him right, I will do this." If you say anything, they will give you two slaps on the face and finished, so is better not to talk to such people. Now we'll take an example of Hitler. Now see Hitler's personal life you see he was an ascetic. He married one woman, lived with one woman and that too secretly and he thought that sex life was a bad thing and, I mean, there's no question of Himmler or anybody having any sex life whatsoever. But they were very good at killing people the way they hated. So I mean that is so bad as this is so bad. Both things are equally bad. Some people say that, "You see, we are seeing some people who say that 'We do not drink, we don't do all these things and they are very bad people.'" So I said, "But that is bad is bad, whether they drink or not." But drinking is also bad, that doesn't mean that drinking is good. They are not good because they are drinking, they are not drinking. It is because drinking on one side and the another is the, you see the whole thing is: "I'll give up this, I'll give up that and I'll become this." You see, for example government servants say, "No, I am sacrificing my life for this country." All these nonsensical ideas fill up your ego only. What are you sacrificing, what are you doing? You are getting a pay for what you are doing. You see these kind of ideas, "You see we are doing this for the government, this for people and..." Some social workers are like that. They think that "We are doing this social activity, we are trying to help the blind, we are trying to help this organization." See all these things crop up to make you a very egoistical man. So whom are you helping? Who is the other? There is nobody else. That should be a part and parcel of your being. All these ideas come to you from a very false conception of yourself. You see if I am doing anyth ... just now he said that "You cure people, You don't take any money." I jolly well have to because I feel sick if you are sick - what can I do? I'm not taking money because it helps Me. It's no question of My trying to be very good or anything, nothing can. I cannot help it! If you are sick I have to cure you; if I do not cure you, I'll feel sick. It is so much so. It is so much of lena dena [give and take - ED] that I cannot do, live without giving it to you; if I do not give it to you I will fall sick, it is like that. Who is the other when we think of helping others, doing others? So these two things come up: is one with the ego another with the superego. It can come in anything. You know ego is such a subtle thing that people don't see it works, you cannot see it. It just works just like that. People accept it because it helps them, people say, "Oh, what a dynamic man! He's done this, he's done that." If you see that man, is assuming one should see him like that, he has not enjoyed life at all, if you go and meet that person. But you think, "What a successful man, he's done this, he's ..." and the ego is bloated again. Then again his ego is bloated. And ultimately he finds when nobody stands near him, "nobody's [INDISTINCT]. They'll say that "He's such a big bore, who'll go near him? You cannot stand him for five minutes. All the time he's talking about himself or he's talking about his business about his work; it's all right in the office but in the house..." Nobody would like to go near him. They all run away as if they are facing a tiger. So this is what it is. A man has to be a sweet person; he has to be a very balanced person, very interesting person and very, very harmonious in temperament. On the contrary such a man is - maybe, I don't know if such people help anyone but they are quite awkward to be with, you see? There's something wrong with them and people, children don't like them, dogs don't like them, there are many human beings who don't like them. Only those who can use them may like them but otherwise it's rather difficult to agree with such temperaments. So you see these two things are there. [Hindi: Speaks to Sharma] So you have remembered. So you see these two types of people are to be avoided; I mean both the extremes must to be avoided. So how we should be, people ask Me, "How should, we should be?" Because human beings cannot be but extremes. If you tell them one thing, they'll go on doing it and doing it. If somebody says, "Bhagawan ka naam lo [ take the name of God - ED]," so the whole night they'll be singing God's praise, the whole day they will be singing God's praise and the God will be tired. He'll say, "Now let Me sleep, what are you doing to Me?" There should be some time for it, you see. The other day I was with my grandchild, she's a born-realized child and she's, you know, because they have a innate understanding and intelligence of the whole thing. And in their neighborhood there's a temple and some people were singing "Sita Ram, Sita Ram" - so she was saying, "Nani, ye log pura raat pura din Bhagwan ka naam Sita Ram Sita Ram, wo dono Sita Ram to udhar se bhaag hi gaye honge. Aur main bhi yahaan se bhaag hi jaoongi. Aur, itna satate kahe ko hain bhagwan ko? Unka sirf gala kharab ho jata hai" [ Grandmother! These people are taking the name of God- Sita Ram, Sita Ram - whole day and night, the two Sita Ram must have run away from there. And I'll also run away from here. Why do they torture God like this? They only spoil their throats -ed]. And is very true you know all such people develop a Vishuddhi Chakra, you know these Hare Rama -Hare Krishna people, so many come to Me, they all suffer from the cancer in the throat. When you are not connected with God, all the time if you go on like that like mechanical thing - you see this Vishuddhi Chakra is used mechanically like that - you are going to catch on your Vishuddhi Chakra. And once you catch on Vishuddhi Chakra, you develop a cancer of the throat. You see, like mad people, I mean one should understand by saying these things if you are going to go to God then I mean God has no play in the matter. It's only you, what you do, what madness you take to, that is how God is going to come to you. I mean people are really crazy as far as the religion is also concerned. They are very...

Talk To New Yogis - Problems From Fake Gurus. New Delhi, 19 February 1977. [Translation from Hindi to English] Many of you have got realization, means you have started feeling vibrations in your hands. I have already told you about the Chakras. I know that many of you are feeling the vibrations in your hands, but many have still not felt it. One thing I am not able to understand (disturbance … Mr. Verma is telling you not to keep getting up from our seats. It causes disturbance). Those who have got realization, those who are feeling vibrations in their hands, and who have become thoughtless, if we tell them anything, then even those who have not got their realization should also listen, so that very soon they will also get realization. As many as possible should get their realization. And they will. Mostly everyone gets it. But if there are some people who have already collected some knowledge from other sources, regarding realization, regarding dharmas, and other ideas; for them it takes a longer time, because we have to bring them into the right path. Like for someone who has proceeded on the wrong road, like the information that someone told Me just now, that was completely wrong, and these false gurus have been doing this business of misleading people into the wrong path. All these people who go into these paths get completely destroyed. Now those who have gone to their destruction .. I am making an estimate that in this country alone, at least 3 crore people have been systematically sent to their destruction, and it is impossible to retrieve them. And even if a few of them come to us, they come in the last stages of destruction, and we cannot do anything for them. Then we just have to let them go and take their rebirth, and then get realization. Now the experience that you have had there, will not be the same for others. Some will get distressed and suffer, some will get influenced and do all what they are told to do by these various teachers. We must understand that our attitude towards Sahaja Yoga should be that we have to achieve something out of it. I have to take something inside, and that is why I have to receive something. We have to recognize and accept the truth. Or like someone said just now, “Shri Mataji You do not take any money” and this appeals to you and you come. But this feeling is not correct that we are gaining something out of you. From your talk it appears that you feel we are obligated, not you. Mostly people who say this is wrong with me, or that is wrong with me, and please correct it, we can understand. So the attitude should be that you have to acquire or achieve something from Sahaja Yoga On one side you are there, and on the other are the deities. The deities have their places already made on the Chakras. If you have insulted or injured them by your behavior, then to awaken them again will require a lot of work and effort. And whatever efforts we make to reinstate them and bring their attention on those chakras, if there is no acceptance or alignment from your side, then there is nothing we can do. Suppose there is a man living in a house, just for a worldly example. Because worldly people like worldly examples. If you have to go to a minister to get a house, you have to go to him and ask him to give you a house. But if the minister sees that you are not agreeable to take the house, then how will the minister sanction you a house. In the same way we have to understand that in Sahaja Yoga God Almighty has made arrangements inside you to enlighten your lamp, and you are being invited to come inside and light your lamp. But if you start arguing and hesitating about irrelevant things, that it is like this, and it is like that. Like many people ask Me why I wear only white sarees. If I wear red, then they will ask why red! This is on the matter of human brains. Because in Sahaja Yoga you have full freedom . If you want to come inside you come, and if you want to leave, then you can go outside. We are never going to stop you. We will never catch your hand and make you stay. If you come of your own free will and stay with us, we will look after you. But if we force you nothing thing can happen, nor do we put any constraint on you to come. Neither do we say that if you leave us and go, bad things will happen. You come and improve yourself. When you reach the understanding that there is no bandhan of Mother on us; I have come here, I am sitting here to take something from Mother. The second thing is that now I have come to Mother, I must have faith in Her or not. If you say that I do not have belief or faith in You, but you give me, then why should I give. My relationship with the gods is that of a Mother. If a Mother says the word “son”, then nothing more is required. But all these great ones who are sitting around all of you, can know at once, all those who have shraddha (faith) towards Mother. You will have to have a little faith. I am telling you the inside story. You will have to have a little bit of faith in Me. Otherwise it wont work out. Secondly, if there is anything wrong with your health, some illness or something else, it will take longer. If you have any other problems like some may have mental problems, some who are possessed, in whom there may be bhoots or badhas. Others have other problems which may be a hindrance. But the most difficult are those, like the gentleman who showed Me the letter. These poor souls get ensnared by going to the wrong gurus and bowing their heads to them. The Kundalinis of such people do not rise at all. [Shri Mataji asks for a letter to be read. A yogi reads the following:] [English Transcript] Dear Mataji, A few years ago, Swami Muktananda initiated me in his yoga. He calls it Siddha Yoga. It is supposed to be a form of Kundalini Yoga. Since then, I have been suffering from a heavy pressure in the head and spine, inability to think clearly or concentrate, some sort of movement in the backbone which certainly isn't pleasant, nervousness, difficulty in facing people and situations, bad memory, obsession with the past and some sort of involuntary fixation with sex. Perhaps the Kundalini has been activated. Whatever it is, there is nothing spiritual about it. There is no sign of peace or silence or impersonal love. I am sure I have not benefitted spiritually through my contact with him. For all I know I was a better person spiritually before I met him. Would You please help me at least to get normal. Pranamas. Ibrahim Khan - A seeker. Shri Mataji: Absolutely correct. And I must congratulate him for this bold action that he has taken; is a very bold action. Of course we have some others here who will share his thoughts, very much who have suffered. And those- Yogi: He's here. Shri Mataji: He's here. And there are many who have suffered on account, they have taken him out and they are much better now. And they are very good and absolutely what you have said is correct. It has to be a spiritual experience of bliss and joy, first thing. It has to be, secondly, a thing that enriches you, makes you much wiser, makes you sharper and alert. It has to be a energy-giving thing. Apart from that you are made a much better person; there's a regular transformation in your being. Now there are, you will be surprised like this, at least sixteen big ones, sixteen of them, they are doing this kind of job. And people are sending thousands of rupees to these people, thousands! He came from Lond- some place, America or somewhere, he has brought crores of foreign exchange. Crores of foreign exchange, how did he manage? You have been a religious man and that's why you have been opposing it. And by God's grace you are going to get the reality, no doubt. The person who is initiated and is not a religious man will get into the mood. He'll start misbehaving, he'll take to ganja [marijuana — ed], he'll take to all kinds of drugs, he will take to bad sexual habits, he'll be perverted man, he will start becoming a smuggler and a thief and he'll do all the things. But a man who is a really, a religious man by heart will resist it and because of resistance he will get all these symptoms. But I'm happy you have resisted him and I promise that I will give you realization here and here. And I'm very happy that you have done it. But so many like this. I've already told you that even with gross calculation three crores [30 million - ED] already on a way to doom. Of course some are going to be saved not out of those three crores are absolutely towards their doom. Then they come and argue with Me. The thing is, they have done so much wrong to themselves by wrong things and then they come and argue with me; this is something I can't understand. You cannot argue it out. If I can cure you I will give My life, every... every part of My being, I would say, every drop of My blood to save humankind. I will go out of the way for saving them, but you must understand that this is not spirituality. Spirituality is promised in all the scriptures whether it is Koran, it is Geeta, anywhere, that you are born again. You become a transformed personality and a higher personality. [Translation from Hindi to English] [Shri Mataji asks a lady]: How are you? Are you better than before. Yes? It has started slowly. Yours also. Yes, you will also start feeling, because he has started feeling. Sit like this with your hands open. Like you sit for namaz (prayer). Relax. Now those of you who have got realization, I am saying this for you. But those who have not yet got it, they will also get. To give realization, you don’t get it by any lecture. This is a straightforward thing. You get realization not by any lectures, but by being exposed. Exposing yourself. Because this Sakti is present within us. We are only required to expose. When this Shakti enters your being in a most subtle way, then your Kundalini becomes aware of Whom we are facing. Who is in front of us. She knows Me, but you do not. And She rises from Her abode. And she comes up and breaks the fontanelle bone area, the Brahmarandhra. Then by this, within you, you feel the cool breeze. The cool breeze flowing within you. Slowly slowly, as you grow into it, as you master the techniques, then you have no doubts. When you receive this Shakti within you, then you realize how great it is, and you start giving it to the whole world. Those who have already got their realization, they are doing a lot of work. But in Delhi, out of those who have got realization, very few of them come out. This is a very sad state. After realization, they feel that they are enjoying, and they should go home and sleep and rest. This is very wrong. You should be there to help others to get it. And because of this the people here don’t get trained properly. Realised people of other places get trained very well, but in Delhi this is a great weakness, that they just sit in their houses and don’t come out for the spreading programs. Do to this many people don’t get their realization. In Mumbai thousands have got realization. The least numbers are in Delhi. I don’t know why. People from all states live here. Now all of you sit with your hands like this. This is for people who have got their realization. You don’t have to do anything special. In Sahaja Yoga you know all the arrangements are built in within you. Only it is a matter of igniting. All the system is built in within you, seven chakras and if there is a problem in a chakra, then the Kundalini does not rise. Otherwise it is sitting in 3.1/2 coils, and rises on Her own, and does the complete job. If there is a problem in any chakra, She stops there and repairs any damage. Sometimes She can even be seen pulsating at a particular chakra. Tomorrow I will show you. Wherever there is a catch in a chakra, Kundalini can be seen at that spot, doing Her job. I am telling you about the state after realization. Those who have just got their realization should listen carefully and also those who have not yet got it, should also listen. But all of you should keep your hands open like this. All. I had told you in the beginning that the Kundalini is inside you like this cord. Now you are like a computer, and your cord has to be connected to the mains. I have connected it through the Brahmarandhra, in the middle. Now what information is coming to you through this new connection, like Jung has said, there is the Universal Unconscious, and from the Unconscious messages keep coming. Then he says there is a Shakti called Universal Unconsciousness, which we call as the All Pervading Love of the Paramatma, or God Almighty. (someone asks “Universal Unconsciousness?”). Unconscious! It is called Universal Unconscious, because it is not in our consciousness. So it is called Unconscious (A-chetan), which has not yet come into our chetana (consciousness). Once it comes into our chetana, then Universal Consciousness comes into us. This does not come by any lectures. It happens. There is a happening that takes place inside you. This begins to flow inside you. And you come into a new, absolutely new, awareness. Like a blind man cannot see. Also a human being knows what is beauty. Animals do not. So in this way you come into a new awareness state, where you become Collectively Conscious. Means, what happens, that on your hands you can feel the chakras of others and the state of their Kundalini. Instantaneously. At that moment. Like as soon as you get your realization, you can put your hands towards a0nother person and read the state of his chakras. Now this knowledge is subjective. There are two kinds of knowledge. One, which you understand from outside, and the other which you know from the inside. Like, if we are the manager of an office, then we know everything abot that office. But if someone comes from outside, he can only see what is outside. But the man who works in the office, knows it from inside. This is how it works. When you put your hands towards any realized soul, you will get cool breeze on your hands. On the fingers you have five chakras. This is the sixth, and this is the seventh. This is the first chakra, the Mooladhara, which is the chakra there on the chart. Mooladhara Chakra is the seat of Shri Ganesha. Now there is a left and a right. The two hands have a left side and a right side. There is the Left Sympathetic Nervous System and the Right Sympathetic Nervous System. Now, there was a need for someone to teach you the decoding of the system. So I have come. Because if no one teaches you how to decode the system, how will you work your computer. Now in the hand, in this place, is the Mooladhara Chakra. Mooladhara Chakra is placed right down. As I told you, it has four petals. This is the seat of Shri Ganesha. Now, all of you realized souls, ask a question – Is Mooladhara Chakra the seat of Shri Ganesha. Ask Shri Ganesha, “Is Mool-adhara Your place? Are You on this Chakra?” You will get a response. As realized souls, if you ask, you will get strong vibrations. Because the question is a solemn one. Are you feeling it. Do you get extra vibrations your hands? More than before? Ask Kundalini. Just ask the question. Put your hands towards Me and ask. Is it coming. In this place? Is something happening here. For those who have just got their realisatio, it should happen. When you place your hands on others you will feel it. Sometimes when you put your hands towards a person, even a child, you will have a burning sensation on your fingers. This left side is the emotional side, and the right side is the physical side. If you feel a burning on the emotional side, the left side, it means that someone has used bad techniques to raise his kundalini. Mostly those who try wrong methods of raising the Kundalini, they have a burning on this left hand. Because they use sublimation of sex on the left side, and completely ruin this chakra. So the catch, the burning, is here. And if you get it on the other hand, the right hand, there is some problem with that person about sex. If it gets numb, then there may be impotency. If there is numbness, then we can understand that that man is impotent. And if it comes higher up on the right side, then the person is suffering from constipation. As you practice more and more, your hands will become very sensitive. And those who are born realized, even if you blindfold them, they will register the catches. I am just telling you in a general way. I cannot tell you in detail just now. I am writing a book in which I will explain everything in detail, and you will be able to understand it all. Now these two fingers, thumbs, they represent the Swadishtana Chakra. This one is the Swadishtana. The thumbs of the right hand, the right side of this chakra, is creativity as I told you. The Swadishtana is the seat of Shri Brahmadeva and his Shakti is Shri Saraswati. If a man thinks too much, or plans a lot, he uses the energy of this chakra. And the chakra which is shown in the thub, rotates around, and on the edges whatever organs are there it supplies energy. Means the kidneys, upper and lower part of the liver, and your spleen. And the uterus in women. It looks after all these organs. Now if this chakra gets a catch, then you can know that you have diabetes, in a general way, or some problem with the spleen. When both sides of this chakra are caught up badly, then cancer has set in; and with the overactivity of this chakra it becomes galloping. When this happens we can understand that some outside badha or entity, has entered and is working on this chakra. (Someone interrupts). So, you understand. Now if there is a lady, and her husband’s first wife has died, just suppose, and she did not have any children, and her husband marries another woman, the first lady dies in an accident or unnatural circumstances, and she never had a child, so her entity might enter into this second wife, and she may come back. The mental side. Now mentally if she is disturbed about it, and thinks about it, that she had no child, I also may not have a child – if she has a fear about it, it will act on the uterus and she will also not have children. This is the emotional side of it. English part: If there is a lady and her, you see her, the first wife has died. Supposing take a question, and she has had no children or something like she died as an atrupta atma and the husband marries another woman. And the first lady died in a mess or in a atrupta way and she never had a child. So she, her entity might enter into this woman's entity and she may come into that woman. You see this is a, this is a emotional side, so emotionally if she is disturbed about it, if she thinks about it that she had no child, "I may not have a child," if she has a fear like that or something, it will act on the uterus and she will also not have children. That's the emotional side of it. And the right hand side if you have a uterus trouble and uterus problem or anything like that, then also you cannot have. But when these two meet together, a galloping sort of a movement starts of both the sympathetic nervous system and then you can say that it is a cancer has been set in. But cancer is set into us every moment and is destroyed every moment by parasympathetic. Because if the activity of the sympathetic nervous system is the cause of cancer means everybody has it. You see, is possible it is and the more - if you do it over-activity, more than what is needed - it sets in. A man who is a great planner say, he's a very great planner and he's a very great this thing, and he gets, sort of all his time devoted to work and work and work, he develops a deficiency in the spleen because this also supplies to the spleen. And that's how spleen and then your liver and kidney all put together give you the disease known as diabetes. Diabetes is only caused among people who think too much. Diabetes will not happen among the people who are poor because they don't sit down and think and bother about things. So diabetes is caused among such people. Mostly it is caused among men, less among women. Doctors do not know the cause of diabetes. Now if I tell them Swadishthana Chakra and Brahmadeva's activities, they will say, "Mataji, this is beyond us." But if tell them imbalance, if there is imbalance in life, if there is imbalance in life, then it is caused. It is due to the imbalance in life because such a man, you see when he starts planning too much, thinking too much, he has no time for emotional activities. Like, you see he has no time for his children, he has no time for his wife, he has no time for anybody to, you see express themself. If he can have the balance between the two, if he's a very loving man then the balance is maintained. But mostly what happens, a man who takes to hard work, he has no time for his children. Then if he gets a little time for his children, children think, "Oh it's a great thing." And such a, such a personality has diabetes. And the diabetes has such a vicious circle that it goes on increasing and increasing and increasing. Then it increases up to the - you see it can go up to the eyes you may start getting very weak eyes with diabetes. And I mean anything can happen because you start, lets say the sugar in the... sugar in the blood is not consumed, so for such a person who suffers from diabetes there's a very simple method, if he's a realized soul. You see, if he's a realized soul - that's one "if" is there. If he's not, then nothing can work out; all these things are for realized people. You have to put your - now as you say that your right side is weak, your right is being used too much, your left side is weak. So what you have to do is to put the left hand towards the photograph raise your left hand and put it to the right hand, like this. Now what happens when the left side is weak, you see there is... on the top of the head there are two balloon-like structures, one of them goes on to the front and another goes at the back. But one comes from the right, another comes from the left. Now the one which comes on the left because it crosses over, so the left one is responsible for the right hand, and the right one is responsible for the left hand. So by doing like this what you do is to press your ego backward and that's how you get a complete balance there and the Kundalini rises in between. Because one side is too much pressed and the another side is suppressed. Raise your left hand side like this, all right, raising it like this. Left hand side, left hand, left hand yes teek hai. Left with the right hand you will have to raise. [Translation from Hindi to English] Left hand towards Me. Raise it like this. From here. And put like this and bring it down here. Now raise it again. Now what you are doing is... English part: Now what are you pushing back here? By pushing this thing on this side you are pushing it this way. Now left side you are raising the super ego and right side you are pushing the ego, because such a man develops ego also, because he works through his ego. We plan through our ego. Ego doesn't mean egoistical. Ego everyone has, if you do not have ego you are a realized soul. But you have, ego and superego both are there, they are there, they exist. So what happens, too much of ego develops because of planning because we do all this planning and everything through ego. So the ego is pushed back and you get the balance. And this what the doctors do not think of: balancing a person, because we are not only physical being, we are emotional being, we are also a intellectual being, we are also a spiritual being. So there should be a balance between all these beings and they should be all integrated. But doctors do not think like that, so the imbalance works like that and that's how you get into problem. [Hindi speaker asks a question indistinctly.] Shri Mataji: You see ego or superego both in imbalance is not a good state for Kundalini rising. If the ego is too much developed, for example, it is pressing your superego. Now the superego is suppressed, for example all the developing countries. All the developed countries have a big ego. So too much ego they press the superego. Because of pressing of the superego, what happened that their ego developed too much; the superego gave them a bump, because if you press too much it has a reaction. So in their society, people just became sort of what you call the hippies, they gave up. They said, "This planning when... finish it off. We are going to lead another kind of life." So they took to superego and superego is all these drugs and these serious things to get towards the suppression of your self. You see, first these people were violent outside but then they became violent to themselves. So both things are wrong whether you are violent to yourself or violent to others. [Man indistinctly]: Sorry, Mother, isn't it about one's body, it's only about one's mind. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, you see, the ego and superego are both things, are two forces within us which is balanced, is balanced, then only the Kundalini can rise otherwise this [?] there should be a gap between the two, actually it creates a gap. But if one side is overdeveloped any one of them, a person who is possessed has a superego mostly, but a person can be also possessed by a egoistical bhoot. For example this Transcendental people all of them have their ego side developed too much. You cannot push them back. Because there is, you see, anything can bloat. Somebody, egoistical man can enter into you, you see and you can have a superego on you. Sort of you can start thinking that you are a very great dynamic man, you think no end of yourself. And actually it is somebody else who is putting ideas into your head and you are a bloated person. Translation from Hindi: Like people say his brain has gone off. God save us from him. Don’t they say like this. That’s what it is. People’s brains go out of order. English part You spoil your head because you get into that over-ego, double ego if somebody else is acting in you. Sometimes you yourself can develop your ego too much, but sometimes somebody else comes into you and tells you. And he talks as if you wont believe, he talks like a, like a Hitler. You think that "What is this come up?" Man: That means that he can possess your ego? Shri Mataji: He possesses your ego, enters into your ego and supplies information through your ego. It can - Mostly it enters through your superego, mostly because most of them are depraved people. So these depraved people also can enter into your left hand side and they can also give you ideas and you can become - you see they do not really give you ideas, but they make your life miserable. Such people when they enter into you, you become giddy. You feel terrible, you will get a headache, or sometimes if you start acting according to them, then you can become a very depraved man also. Actually the ego people cannot see. You see a man can never see his ego, it's rather difficult and they think, "Oh, I'm correct after all I'm such-and-such so I, whatever I'm doing is correct." You see? It's very difficult to see your ego. Because human beings can see their superego very easily as it harms them, physically also. If you have got a possession on you, you are harmed but if there is a ego you are not harmed. By ego you harm others so you are not harmed. But by superego you are harmed, so you can see that. But ego it harms others and you go on harming others; you don't know what you are doing and you think, "Oh I'm very correct, whatever I'm doing is correct." So these are the two types of balloons which covers your head. In between them is the space which we call the vilamba. That space is created through the Kundalini rising. But actually when the Kundalini rises, first what She does, She comes up to the Agnya, below the Agnya, on this on this plate which we call as moordha [Sanskrit for "head" - ED] plate, the lower plate of the brain, it touches it, you see. And then it comes down again on these two channels of ida and pingala which cools it down. And by cooling it down it fills it up and the cooling brings down both the ego and superego a little bit and a space is created. And then when the Kundalini really rises upward, then it passes through that space. Actually you can see here with some people who get realization, a big depression. Sometimes people have depression here. If they have a badha in their Nabhi then they get a depression here, or sometimes they get a depression here. A regular depression you can get here, if you feel it, even those who are realized can feel it, is a soft thing if you can press it, you know it can work out, you must feel it. You put your right hand towards Me you can feel it. There's a little depression you can press it down, you feel better. You feel better with that. Pressing a little bit makes you better, feeling much better. [Translation from Hindi to English] Left hand towards Me. Press it like this. English part: Now the situation in all the developing countries is that their ego is overdeveloped now. Now, when they are trying to develop themselves, because they are developing; all the developing countries are doing it through their ego, so naturally their ego is very much developed, that's why I'm saying that, "Put your right hand." But in the countries which are really over developed now, who are fed up of their ego and fed up, they call themselves as "colossal egoistical people" and they condemn themselves for that. All the time what they are doing is to condemn themselves, this is the superego acting. To condemn themselves they'll go out of the way to do all kinds of hazardous thing. If you tell them, "You stand on your heads," they will stand on their heads. They will do everything that you tell them and they will try to, sort of, give trouble to their body, they'll say, "What's the use of having a nice house, let us sleep on the ground." And they'll do all these things just to torture themselves because their superego starts acting on the ego. And by which you see they again go to the other extreme. What you have to do is to be in balance. [Shri Mataji talks to someone in front] Now let Me down, ha. You keep your question till the end, you should say. Are you sitting in the front for that? Now you don't disturb everyone please, for heavens sake. Shri Mataji: No, no, it is a disturbance because My thoughts are going and you just now keep quiet because I'm reading everybody's mind and answering. All right, just keep quiet because everybody's disturbed. So, now what happens, that the thought - you see of thoughts of a superego is just to make the ego look down. So it pushes down and it suggests such ideas like, "We should sacrifice everything, why should we have a household, why should we have children, why should we have all these junky, affluent things? Let us lead a life of a ascetic." But in the asceticism in their asceticism they take to drugs because it is a superego style. Drug is a superego style. If you take to drinks, if you take to these things too much then you are going to the superego style. Ego style would be, would be not to take to drinks. Asceticism is to kill yourself, comes from the left hand side, in the sense that the superego tells you that you just give up things. But actually it is not, because the main thing is that they do it, they do all these things, but actually in the heart of hearts or what you can say, the mind of minds, what they want to do is to indulge into a very superego activity and the superego activity is drinks, drugs and sex, these three. Actually this is the main thing but they think they have given up, you see, they believe in it, they believe in it. Not that they are in any way... they are genuine, they are genuinely believing in it. They believe that by doing sex, over-activity of the sex, by doing, taking drugs and by being a sort of very licentious and very permissive, they have been trying to go to God. Actually they believe in it, I tell you, you don't condemn them because it is their faith. They think that these people have been keeping to these rules and regulation, it has come as a reaction, you see. See, in England they the had those straight coats, and you could have five types of glasses on the table and you have to use this for the whiskey, that for the thing and this for that and so much of regimentation that when they wanted to give it up they said, "Now let us give it up completely." So when they gave it up, as a reaction, it worked so well that they have given up, they think they have given up everything, but they have given up all that was good, all that was nice and whatever was bad they have taken it up, even in a worse way - means licentiousness, permissiveness, drinks, drinking, drugs and sex. So this how the sup- this thing works out. Now the right hand side: the egoistical man. He may be a man who might be a absolutely a, absolutely a puritanical, he can be puritanical also. You might find many like this. For example we can see in our scriptures, we have people like Harishchandra... the one who was torturing Harishchandra, [Shri Mataji asks for the name in Hindi]: What was his name? Man: Vishwamitra. Shri Mataji: Vishwamitra. Then we have got many others, you know, so many of them like hot-tempered people, very hot-tempered, you cannot touch them. But you see, because they had no wife, no children, nothing, no balancing, they lived a, you see, with eating what you call these grass or some leaves and things and celibacy, forced celibacy, all sorts of you know, frantic things they did. Naturally such people had to be hot tempered. You know they were heated up by their, this forced thing. I mean going through another extreme of things, you see, to - I mean whatever was natural. God has given you all these natural things - live in a sanctified, natural way. But either you will have ten women or you will have no woman some sort of a, you see an extreme behavior from one to another, going to one extreme to another. And when they went to another extreme, the ego, you see they were so egoistical, you have read about these people but you must have met many people, even in the government office you might see that, you see you cannot just look at them, if you even if you look at them they'll just punch at you thinking that, you see, you have insulted them by raising your eyes to them, sort of people, you will find some of them around. So this type of temperament develops because of extreme activity of the ego that you cannot talk to them. If you say anything they'll say, "Oh... I will see him, I will put him right, I will do this." If you say anything, they will give you two slaps on the face and finished, so is better not to talk to such people. Now we'll take an example of Hitler. Now see Hitler's personal life you see he was an ascetic. He married one woman, lived with one woman and that too secretly and he thought that sex life was a bad thing and, I mean, there's no question of Himmler or anybody having any sex life whatsoever. But they were very good at killing people the way they hated. So I mean that is so bad as this is so bad. Both things are equally bad. Some people say that, "You see, we are seeing some people who say that 'We do not drink, we don't do all these things and they are very bad people.'" So I said, "But that is bad is bad, whether they drink or not." But drinking is also bad, that doesn't mean that drinking is good. They are not good because they are drinking, they are not drinking. It is because drinking on one side and the another is the, you see the whole thing is: "I'll give up this, I'll give up that and I'll become this." You see, for example government servants say, "No, I am sacrificing my life for this country." All these nonsensical ideas fill up your ego only. What are you sacrificing, what are you doing? You are getting a pay for what you are doing. You see these kind of ideas, "You see we are doing this for the government, this for people and..." Some social workers are like that. They think that "We are doing this social activity, we are trying to help the blind, we are trying to help this organization." See all these things crop up to make you a very egoistical man. So whom are you helping? Who is the other? There is nobody else. That should be a part and parcel of your being. All these ideas come to you from a very false conception of yourself. You see if I am doing anyth ... just now he said that "You cure people, You don't take any money." I jolly well have to because I feel sick if you are sick - what can I do? I'm not taking money because it helps Me. It's no question of My trying to be very good or anything, nothing can. I cannot help it! If you are sick I have to cure you; if I do not cure you, I'll feel sick. It is so much so. It is so much of lena dena [give and take - ED] that I cannot do, live without giving it to you; if I do not give it to you I will fall sick, it is like that. Who is the other when we think of helping others, doing others? So these two things come up: is one with the ego another with the superego. It can come in anything. You know ego is such a subtle thing that people don't see it works, you cannot see it. It just works just like that. People accept it because it helps them, people say, "Oh, what a dynamic man! He's done this, he's done that." If you see that man, is assuming one should see him like that, he has not enjoyed life at all, if you go and meet that person. But you think, "What a successful man, he's done this, he's ..." and the ego is bloated again. Then again his ego is bloated. And ultimately he finds when nobody stands near him, "nobody's [INDISTINCT]. They'll say that "He's such a big bore, who'll go near him? You cannot stand him for five minutes. All the time he's talking about himself or he's talking about his business about his work; it's all right in the office but in the house..." Nobody would like to go near him. They all run away as if they are facing a tiger. So this is what it is. A man has to be a sweet person; he has to be a very balanced person, very interesting person and very, very harmonious in temperament. On the contrary such a man is - maybe, I don't know if such people help anyone but they are quite awkward to be with, you see? There's something wrong with them and people, children don't like them, dogs don't like them, there are many human beings who don't like them. Only those who can use them may like them but otherwise it's rather difficult to agree with such temperaments. So you see these two things are there. [Hindi: Speaks to Sharma] So you have remembered. So you see these two types of people are to be avoided; I mean both the extremes must to be avoided. So how we should be, people ask Me, "How should, we should be?" Because human beings cannot be but extremes. If you tell them one thing, they'll go on doing it and doing it. If somebody says, "Bhagawan ka naam lo [ take the name of God - ED]," so the whole night they'll be singing God's praise, the whole day they will be singing God's praise and the God will be tired. He'll say, "Now let Me sleep, what are you doing to Me?" There should be some time for it, you see. The other day I was with my grandchild, she's a born-realized child and she's, you know, because they have a innate understanding and intelligence of the whole thing. And in their neighborhood there's a temple and some people were singing "Sita Ram, Sita Ram" - so she was saying, "Nani, ye log pura raat pura din Bhagwan ka naam Sita Ram Sita Ram, wo dono Sita Ram to udhar se bhaag hi gaye honge. Aur main bhi yahaan se bhaag hi jaoongi. Aur, itna satate kahe ko hain bhagwan ko? Unka sirf gala kharab ho jata hai" [ Grandmother! These people are taking the name of God- Sita Ram, Sita Ram - whole day and night, the two Sita Ram must have run away from there. And I'll also run away from here. Why do they torture God like this? They only spoil their throats -ed]. And is very true you know all such people develop a Vishuddhi Chakra, you know these Hare Rama -Hare Krishna people, so many come to Me, they all suffer from the cancer in the throat. When you are not connected with God, all the time if you go on like that like mechanical thing - you see this Vishuddhi Chakra is used mechanically like that - you are going to catch on your Vishuddhi Chakra. And once you catch on Vishuddhi Chakra, you develop a cancer of the throat. You see, like mad people, I mean one should understand by saying these things if you are going to go to God then I mean God has no play in the matter. It's only you, what you do, what madness you take to, that is how God is going to come to you. I mean people are really crazy as far as the religion is also concerned. They are very...

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The Creation

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"The Creation", New Delhi (India), 20 February 1977 Tonight we had decided to talk about Creation but our management has not been able to provide me with a chalk and with a blackboard so, I don't know, I'll try to explain it without drawing. It's a very difficult subject. And I'll try to make it intelligible. But I would request you to pay full attention for such a difficult subject like Creation. The greatest blessing today is that many of you can feel the vibrations. And not only that but you also know and realise that they can think and they can love. It's a very big blessing. Of course, some of you haven't got it, but those who have got it know that these vibrations organise, because they raise the Kundalini, they go to the place where it is needed, out of compassion, to that portion where there is deficiency. They understand, they organise they are universal in nature and they love. They answer to your questions, when you ask them some questions - you receive answer from them. They are living vibrations. These vibrations are from the Divine. This Divine is called as Brahma, Brahma Tattwa, Principle of Divine. We can say that the process of Creation is an eternal process. Means a seed becomes a tree and the tree becomes a seed, and the seed becomes a tree, and it goes on and on - it's eternal. So, it cannot have a starting point and it cannot have an ending point. It goes on and on and on. That's why it can have different states of existence, you can say, state of being. So, the first, just the being, is Brahma, where nothing exists. We say 'nothing'. When we say nothing, it is a relative word: because we do not exist, so we say 'nothing exists' - it's a relative word. When we are not existing, for us everything is 'nothing'. There is something, but that is not ourselves. And that's why, relatively, we say it is ‘nothing'. It's only the word Brahma, we can say. You can think of an energy, if you want to, an energy-form that exists. But the energy accumulates at a point and forms a nucleus. The energy that thinks, energy that is distributed, accumulates at a point, concentrates on a point, you can say, and this point is the point we call as Sadashiva. This happens because that energy desires, thinks, organises, loves. When it wants to create, when the desire is felt in that energy to create, at that time a nucleus is created. This nucleus we call as Sadashiva. This nucleus does not disappear. You can think of a nebula. I mean, it is something which is all relative you can think, you cannot think something in absolute form. So, with thinking you cannot conceptualise the whole thing, but if you can think of a state, where it's just an energy and no creation. But not the energy of electricity, magnetism - all these things. Is the combination, the synthesis of all the things which goes into laya which becomes that, dissolves into that. It coagulates on a point, that may be a [suitable] word, coagulates at a point which we can call as a nucleus. This point we call as Sadashiva. This Sadashiva is the Ishwara, is the God Almighty. We call it now “God” because now it has a limitation. In the sense that we can call it something. But if it is just an energy we just call it a Brahma. You can say like this: when the water becomes ice, a follicle of ice is formed, you can differentiate between the water and the ice, but still, it's a relative, relative understanding. At this state God Almighty, Parameshwara, takes its form as an identity. That's why we can say that it is not Brahma, but an identity. Identity has its aura, has its aura, we can say, its light. This light is the Divine Love. It goes into various forms but Sadashiva remains as He is. Now, the desire to create is transferred to the aura. The aura is the Power of God, Shakti. Ishwara has certain things beyond Him also and before Him. God Almighty has something beyond Him that He cannot control: one, He cannot control His eternal nature. It is His nature to be eternal, He cannot stop it. He will go on changing His form, it is His nature, it just... it is His swabhava. He cannot change it, His eternal nature. He will be eternally. Eternity is His temperament, His nature, He cannot overcome that. For example, God cannot take away your freedom to choose the Truth. He cannot. Once He has granted, He’s not going to take it away. You have to choose it in all your freedom. He will not force you to take it. Many people have hopes like that - they are sadly mistaken. At this juncture only lies the problem of complete destruction or complete resurrection. It is left into the hands of human beings to decide whether they want to accept the Truth or if they want to follow the falsehood. So, you have [been] given complete freedom to choose. I won't go into the details about God Almighty, because it's a very subtler subject and requires much more attention. I have talked about it before to many people and all His nature, they know that. But He is the Witness, He is the Sakshi (witness) in the form of a Sakshi. What is He witnessing? He is witnessing the Creation. And the power that creates the Creation is the Shakti, is His power, is His consort. Now, for us, human beings, we don't understand that a wife and a husband could be that one (unified). For example, you can understand like a Sun and a sunlight, Moon and the Moonlight - as these two things are one and the same. Or the meaning and the word. In the same way, Shiva and Shakti are one together. For example, you can be a father, you can be a mother. You can be a father, you can be a brother, you can be a son - three things you are doing together. In the same way, you can be your Self and your power. You know: you and your Self and your power are different, but you are one. You have a power to write, but you are not your power. Neither your power is your Self. In the same way, Shiva and Shakti are two persons to be identified, but they are part and parcel of one uniform thing known as ‘Brahma’. But these horrible Tantrikas - again they come round here - have spoiled the relationship between Shiva and Shakti. Not that they were human beings, that's why they established all these funny ideas and talked about these nonsensical things. Because they are the people who are nothing but their sex-points. They are nothing nobler than that. They are very depraved and diseased and debased people. They suffer from such a terrible disease that no way they can see anything else but this. Ashvameda has also described as something to do with sex. Everything they look, they see sex there. It's like a person, as we call it in Hindi - [HINDI 13:00 mins] - who is wearing the glass of sex and watching through that life, everything becomes sex, sex, sex, they are such debased and horrible depraved people, even God, they are bringing to that level. Unless and until they are bringing to that level, they cannot exist. How will they justify themselves, the way they are? Sex has nothing to do with Shiva and Shakti. What is Sun and sunlight? Is there any sex involved there? Is there nothing existing without sex for these horrible tantrikas? Is there no relationship that exists without sex? So, Shiva is the God Almighty - we should call him as Sadashiva. I'll try to draw a little bit, let us see how it works out. Now forming into a nucleus like this. Now, this is the remains of the nucleus, you can say, which forms its power here into a valaya. How does it form? He moves supposing backwards, you can say. Then what happens when he moves backwards...kara noko (marathi: don’t do that)...this, whole thing like this, remains here and all of this passes, forms a shell around it and the waves cross over and settle onto the shell - here. Now, this is the situation: when all inside forms another nucleus here by concentration - this is the Shakti. And this is the Sadashiva. This is the Mahashakti, you can say ‘Adi Shakti’ and this is the Sadashiva. Now here, Shiva, once the Shakti forms Her personality, or we can say, Her ego is established, She is a different identity from Shiva. Because the whole process is to create the play for the witness to see. He is the One who is going to watch the play. She is the One who is going to create it. So, She accumulates Her ego onto a point here and becomes Shakti, assumes a position there. And the first thing She does as a Shakti is to go round in a parabolic...in a parabola around Her Lord. This point one must understand. She is a Shakti, is the Power of God. And the whole Creation is only meant for God Almighty to be seen. He’s the only spectator of the play of Shakti. And if He doesn't like the play, for example, He doesn't like the way it is or the way people are that are created, He can immediately stop the play by closing His eyes, by denying the play, by showing His annoyance or by His stopper, He can just stop it. That's why He is also called as a destroyer. But the whole thing is meant for His amusement. And if it doesn't give Him pleasure, He can stop it. That's why the first one who must be pleased is the One who is the spectator. Because of this, Shiva is garlanded by Her, is a parabola and that's why parabola is the symbol of Adi Shakti. This is sort of a certificate to Her, a sort of a granting Her the varadan, as we call it in Sanskrit language, is the varadan that 'go ahead with your work.' This is a sanction given to Him. When She completes this parabola, the sanction has been granted and that's why She is a parabola. Here the question of men dominating the women and women dominating the men does not come in, because this is predominantly in our heads, you see. When we think of it, we think of men and women, it is nothing of the kind. It's just complete Oneness. Can we think of one couple which is absolutely united with each other? We cannot. Because we are all incomplete people. But if you could stretch your imagination to such a point that both of them are meant for each other only and the One who is active, is the Adi Shakti, is only active to please the God Almighty Who is the only spectator of Her play and He’s to be pleased first. So, She surrenders Herself before Him, takes the sanction through the parabola. Now, parabola is a very important thing. You know that everything travels through parabola, never in a straight line. For example, if you love someone, our love goes round that person and comes back to us as love. But if you hate that person, then our hatred goes round that person and comes back to us as a terrible hatred. So, the parabola is taken, but you might say 'why a parabola?' The question can be: "Why should there be a parabola and not a circle?" The reason is: parabola is the shortest distance to go round another point, is the shortest. And that's why it's a parabola. It is even in our ordinary life, you will find this happening: that whatever you do to others, it comes back to you in some form, whether you do good or bad. And that's why our karmic ideas and that of our doing punyas are all there. Because whatever we emit through us, will come back to us. In the same way, if you bless the whole world, the blessings of the whole world will come to us. As I told you, the process is not that simple as it can be drawn, because it's a living process of a big dimension but I'm just trying to make it simpler for you to understand. Now, this parabola, when, here now, when She is, She goes into the motion of a parabola and Shiva sanctioned Her, sanctions Her - it's a living process, again you must understand, it's a living process, it's as human as we are. Both of them are as human as we are, we should say, they are thousand times more human than we are. So, here the Wife, His Consort, says that: “I am very happy just like this. I won't go any further with it.” Because Creation is not an easy thing for Her, She doesn't want to depart from Her Creation. Creation is the child and She says, “I would not like to have children now, because I will lose you.” So, She pushes Herself towards Him and He pushes Her back and disappears, opening out from here. Now She is in this form. So, the beginning of the Om starts. Parabola, first of all, gets converted into Om. Then She pushes Herself down and settles down for a while to meditate and to find out how She is going to work it out, we can say like this. You see, it is Her desire which must be aroused. If Her desire is not aroused, She will not conceive the Creation. So, a kalpa is spent in that. Quite a lot of time is spent in Her own thinking - which way She should do it. She has created many universes. It is not one universe She has created. She has created universes after universes and I will show you how She has created so many universes. And some of them are still lingering on, some of them are destroyed. But today before us: this Universe, this Earth, on this Earth, India and in India, Delhi, you are sitting attending this place. It's like that. So, at this moment, whatever is the thing, is not the past, nor the future, but I'm telling you about the present moment we are here. But many universes have been created by Adi Shakti; even before us. And She has tried many other things also. Ultimately She has tried this. She has created Earth and then created us. Now, how She has done that we'll see later on. Just now let us see how She assumes her powers. When She decides to create, She is endowed with three powers: She has three powers of God which are granted to Her. By one power, first of all, is the existence, the desire to exist, She desires to exist with God. The second power is to create and the third power is to sustain. First power is existence, second is to create and the third is the evolving power or sustenance power by which gradually you sustain something and you become something. These are the three powers She assumes. In short, we can say that She forms three powers of Mahakali, Mahasaraswati and Mahalakshmi. These are the three powers She assumes within Herself. Now, She uses again Her parabolic systems. You know, supposing, I have come to this house by this way, I know this way. Then I take that way, I know that way. I know the middle way, everything. Now, I know these three ways and I know all about it: with that knowledge, I can do something else. So, She again uses Her parabolic movements. Actually, Her three movements, of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati, are all the time with Her, with the Adi Shakti. She can separate them and put them into three different channels. She can combine them and synthesise them and use it as a parabola - you understand this? That's why when we put a bandhan to you, we say “put a parabola,” is a parabola, because the vibrations are all in... all the three powers are flowing this way. So, we have got, you know that, three powers - the Mahakali power you can say, I need not write, “Mahakali power”. By Mahakali power She desires, as I've told you, is the emotional side of God, you can say. She represents the emotional side of God, She desires. Is the desire is that of God. God Almighty, Who is the spectator, He is the Sakshi. And She puts that Sakshi into your heart, She reflects that into your heart which is kept all the time burning to watch what you are doing. To see your play after your creation. Her Mahasaraswati power, now, moves in a parabola. She can move in any angle, 360 angles She can move, from one point. Sometimes, She goes round and round at a point. When She goes round and round at a point, Her Mahasaraswati power can get consolidated; you can say, it becomes dense. You see, that's the trouble with English language! It becomes dense, it becomes so very dense that it cracks out. These cracks occur due to the momentum of the movement of the Mahakali power, Mahasaraswati power. Because it is moving in a round and round fashion, they also get into the momentum of that movement, they start moving. For example, this part starts moving, this part starts moving, this part starts moving. And when they start moving, they become rounds, they lose their angularities and then they become round. Now I'm telling you, very much in short because it’s a...they become round. These rounds again are put into friction with each other. And that is how, we can say - now forget about other universes, where other styles were also created - but about this one we can say, was created. Now, you must all the time remember that this Power thinks, understands, organises, loves and is an identity. So, She creates the Earth. Earth is not created so easily. Part of the Sun is removed just like this, with the hand, you can say. We must understand why the Sun became so cold. Sun is, from the Sun it is removed very much far away first, to the farthest point so that it freezes completely. Also like Moon, it was taken very far away. It just freezes completely and is then brought near the Sun again, like a pendulum. It is moved again towards the cold side, again it is brought to the hot side. It is brought to a point, to the medium point where Earth is made, is made - again I'm saying, it's not a chance of nature - is made deliberately, habitable for human beings, the temperature was brought in. It has been done by Adi Shakti, the Mother. She has done it deliberately, it's not easy to conceive of such a Mother. But She has done it. And She brings this Earth to a point where life can begin. So the combination of Moon and the combination of Sun gives you hydrogen from the Moon, oxygen from the sun, gives you water, the freezing and heating. The freezing and heating gives you the water. In the water, when the Earth is made, spirally, to move upward, again the heating and cooling starts. By heating and cooling, life comes into being as amino-acids. Is done deliberately! What I am saying: it is not done by something, by chance. On this also one has to think once: “How is it?” It is not chance! If you read De Noüy [Pierre Lecomte De Noüy (1883-1947), mathematician, biologist] , is a very big biologist, I mean, I think he’s one of the greatest biologists who has really gone into the calculations of how much time should it take for a simple amoeba to be created out of the matter and he has calculated that it should take much more time than even what we have had so far - billions of billions of years are needed just by chance. Law of chance is there, which I don't know if I should tell you elaborately, but law of chance is that, if you have in one tube 50 red pebbles and 50 white pebbles and if you start shaking them and make them absolutely in a chaotic order, it takes so much, so much times shaking to make it again the same as it is, or to bring it into order. So, even to create an orderly living protoplasm, a cell, would have taken much more time than it has taken so far: much more, many times more, billions of billions. And it has taken only 5 billion years for Earth to secede from the Moon. And only 2 billion years for it to cool down. So, he says, it is beyond any understanding - only thing that can explain it, what we can say, is that there is a ‘Juggler’ behind it. And there is a Juggler, about which our great rishis and munis know that - that Juggler is nobody else but Adi Shakti, the Primordial Mother. The Primordial Father is Sadashiva and the Primordial Mother is Adi Shakti. And are we going to discuss about their sex? Are we going to do that way with the tantrikas? Is that the way to pay homage to your parents? We have to understand that it's a very, very solemn subject, we are discussing here the sanctum sanctorium of the love of our Primordial Parents. It's a very, very holy thing. We are not holy people, we are yet full of lots of greed and lust, but they are above everything. So, when we are discussing them, we have to know, we have to do it with great shraddha, and with our head bowed before them that it is our luck and we are very fortunate that we have been able to learn something about these two Primordial Parents who have brought forth this Creation, their child. So, one of these then again cracks and becomes a surya-mandal, and a surya-mandala has got, as you know, Earth and Moon and all these things and I have told you how Earth is created. After the Creation of Earth, first, you know that amino-acids were formed, the vegetation started and then the human being started. Now, the matter, also, is a very systematic thing. Matter is not unsystematic, it is systematic, but it is not organised - there is difference between the two. The systematic things are dead, can be dead. You can put five stones here in a systematic manner, but they are not organised, because they are not living things. There's a difference between the two. So, first, the systematic things were laid down. Perhaps, if you know about the...Eight different types of elements were created. These were created and were put into proper places through Shri Ganesha. You know that the carbon... carbon is in the centre of these periodical elements that appear. That means a element which has got one valency, two valency, three valency and four valency, the three are the plus ones, then you've got one C, carbon, which has got four valences. Then you have got, again, minus one, two, three and four - is a complete eight. Like that, the whole matter has been organised. To organise the matter, some deity was to be created for that, and first deity that was created was that of Shri Ganesh. Let us see now how She created here. You have seen that one part of Her, which is the Mahasaraswati, has created the matter. Mahasaraswati has created the matter. Now, Mahakali has to give them existence. How do you get an existence? Is through your sustenance or, you can say, through your quality - whatever you are. So, Mahakali gives that existence to those material things, not human beings or living things but matter, through a deity known as Shri Ganesh. Mahakali... In the heart of the Virata, as you see, - you'll see Viraata also He comes in, because that I will tell you later on - but in the heart of Virata, is the Primordial Being, the complete Primordial Being, the Mahakali is settled down. What She does, She goes three and a half from the heart: one up, one down like that - three and a half times and comes to the end of the three and a half, down-way. Three and a half. Now, She comes at the end of it. And if you put three and a half like that and if you cut it straight, you get 7 centres cut in. Is there a drawing person who knows how to draw? You should start from like that, you can put it like this. She comes down here. She comes down here and from here She penetrates. You see, She cuts at seven points here. At this point, She creates the first deity, little below, of Shri Ganesh. I mean, this is not done in one day, is not done in one year, not done in one Yuga, it is done in many Kalpas. The first step is to create Shri Ganesh, this is Her abode and She puts Shri Ganesh. Now, he is emitting his vibrations through all this. He passes through all this whatever She has created. On this picture is settled the work of the Mahasaraswati, you can say. She comes down with all Her programs like this and She makes it. And She gets joined here again. So, Shri Ganesha emits His vibrations through her. First, Shri Mahakali creates Shri Ganesha and then Mahasaraswati comes down, She creates all these things and gets connected to Shri Ganesha. So, the vibrations of Shri Ganesha start flowing through all the creation of Mahasaraswati. Before creating all this, the complete thought of what is going to happen in future comes in a clear-cut vision of the Adi Shakti. And She puts Her plans through. First of all, the Mahalakshmi power comes down and creates the Shri Ganesha. You can understand now how important it is that we have to be holy people. First, She created the holiness on this Earth. First thing, Her relationship with the child was established, because the Creation is going to be created in the image of Her child. That's why Shri Ganesha was created first. And then from here, say, is the Adi Shakti, the other power, Mahasaraswati, on Her way, She comes down and gets connected with Shri Ganesha. And that's how the Shri Ganesha establishes the relationship and emits His vibrations through this. Because of His vibrations passing through the matter that She has created. For example, our Mother Earth: through this passes the, you know that through it passes the axis. Nobody has seen the axis, but they say, there is an axis, from the way it moves. There is a kind of an axis. Now, this is the power of Mahakali passing through the [axis]. We can say, it's the power of Shri Ganesh passing through the axis of the Mother Earth, which has got magnetic power in it. And that's how, through that, it controls its speed, its movement, and also it looks after us. Why don't we think that when we put a little seed in the soil it sprouts, automatically? You have seen now, many of you who have been suffering from certain troubles and diseases, that the Mother Earth herself took down your problems, She sucked them out. It is a fact, you can see it in Sahaja Yoga, that after realisation if you have any problem, if your head is heavy, if you are a realised soul, otherwise She doesn't listen, because you should be activated or you should be granted a certificate from the Adi Shakti that you're a realised person, otherwise why should She accept you? You just put your head on the soil, put your both the hands on the Mother Earth and you'll find the whole thing will be sucked out from your forehead. It has been done with many, even from the legs it can take out. Mother Earth is actually, is the Mother of Adi Shakti, you can say. She is the Mother, they say, because She is made in such a way that She takes all the weights of the world in Herself. She controls all the weights of the world and She can consume all your weight. She’s the dharaa. Now, weight means everything that... your weight is what we weigh in: that's not the thing. Weight means also your sins, also your punyas. It means everything. If you have too many sins in you, then Mother Earth feels hurt. Wherever there is too much of sin, then Mother Earth has to ask help. And then some other deity has to, like Vishnu himself, has to come on this Earth to save Her from this too much of overloading of sins upon this Earth. Is a fact! It is not I'm telling you a mythical story, is a fact. Which you have to verify after getting vibrations. Before getting vibrations, you cannot find out from the Mother Earth. If you want to find out some time, if you are realised, you just stand on the Mother Earth and ask her "Will you take away my sins, oh Mother Earth? Will you take away my karmas? I have been realised." Immediately, She’ll start drawing you. You'll be surprised. You'll feel so much lighter. You have to use Her. That is how Mother Earth has been created. But also Adi Shakti through Her Mahasaraswati power has created the five elements. Before everything else, She created tanmatra (subtle elements) as you call it, I mean, if I go into details, it’s going to be too much for you! But first of all, the causal essences were created by Her. But if I say like this, there won't be anything false. If I say that just by seeing by Her sight, by her drushti (sight), She has created this light. Just by Her breathing, She has created air, because Her desire is the last point. Because She desired there should be air, She created air. Like that, She has, Her smell has created the causal, gandha, which has created this mother Earth. And it has started from Her only, from Her desires, by Her desiring it - it was created for Her and that's how it was created in the whole Universe, which was later on made into Earth, Moon, Sun and all these things. Actually, it was Her mere desire which brought forth these. For us it is impossible to understand someone like that, who, just by mere desire can create. But when we think of somebody who is above all the powers of the world, the One the, who is the highest of all: She can do anything She feels like. Can't we think like that? We cannot think of someone like that. We think of God, who is Almighty, we call Him, but when we talk of His mights we start laughing. How can it be? But She can do anything She wants to. It is only Her mere desire that has brought forth all these creations and all this things that you see in this world are created only by Her desire. She created akasha. She created all these five elements, which you know, and then She started Her another form which we call as the Mahalakshmi form. Before that, I think, I should tell you about Shri Ganesha's existence in the matter. He acts in the matter as vibrations, as Mahasaraswati vibrations. They are electromagnetic vibrations, Mahasaraswati vibrations are electromagnetic vibrations, we can say, that electromagnetic and also there is sound, and all these five elements are expressed in that. You can record them - because if you take a sulphur dioxide, for example, a sulphur dioxide and two oxygen and one sulphur and if you watch them properly under a very highly micro - you can try, I don't know if people have tried, but you can try to find out - and put it under, let's say, a very highly developed micro - microwave- microscope, you can say, you can see that the oxygen things and sulphur, - sulphur is stationary, - but these two are vibrating. They are vibrating, there’s a vibration going between these bonds. They can be isometric also, they can be symmetric, they can be even, uneven and they can be expanding, and closing like that. So, there are three types of vibrations, we find. And the fourth side is nothing but Shri Ganesha himself who is controlling. So, this we can see with our naked eyes, if you want to see, even if you are realised or not. From where do these vibrations come in the minutest paramanu, as you call, the molecules? In a molecule, how do you get these vibrations, can you explain this? It is so much, sukshma, parasukshma. The powers of Ganesha are very, very subtle and they enter into the matter and create this kind of vibrations, which you can even see and record, electromagnetic vibrations, in, even, a one small, little molecule. So, we have in these, as I told you, into the periodic level, periodic laws of elements, you can find out that all the elements are divided into eight types. Just see! How can all the elements be divided into eight parts without somebody being there? Can you do something without organising a proper chart of these elements? Just think about it! You see, when we challenge God, we have to understand that in this world everything is so well organised, there are eight elements spread out so well, placed so well. And it has a particular style of behaviour and every element is different in numbers and protons and these numbers are very well calculated in such a manner that the end of it, that the last circle, that the last circle of all the protons should be eight. If it is not eight, if it is less than eight then it creates a valency problem. It is so well organised, then, even if you study this, if there is anybody who knows little bit of chemistry, you know, so if you know chemistry, it's such a wonderful thing. We take it for granted! We think it is our right to have the matter so well organised for us! But the valencies are all depending on such a nice organisation of this eight protons at the outer thing. This is all done through the Mahasaraswati power. But the vibrating force...Now see, there is a vibrating force: this is all done through the, as I told you, through the Mahasaraswati power. She creates. Now the vibrating force: He exists, matter also exists. It must exist. If it does not exist, nothing can exist. So, the existence force is given through the Mahakali force, which is acting through Shri Ganesh, who is sitting at the nucleus. He is sitting at the nucleus of every [atom]. Can you imagine how much it must be? Every molecule and every atom. You cannot understand the finiteness of it. Now, see, say, take one element like gold, how many molecules it has? Can you calculate? [It’s] beyond us! How many, you can say, atoms it has? We just cannot calculate it. And then how many Ganesha's pictures must be there? How is it achieved? Is another thing which I will tell you if I come in the way. How infinite reflections are caught into and why there are two things like Shiva and Adi Shakti? The reason is it has to create an infinite reflection. How do you create an infinite reflection? Do you know that? Anybody who knows physics? If you place in the centre of two mirrors something, then the reflections are infinite. So, the first mirror is the Adi Shakti and the second mirror is this Creation, and that's how you can get infinite reflections on this Earth. This is the reason why you can get infinite reflections. And that's why you had to create another one who reflects it. And that's why there have to be three identities, one, the God Almighty, then Adi Shakti and then the whole Universe. It had to be that way, otherwise you cannot create infinite reflections. Now, somebody who has done this job must be a very clever man, no doubt. When human beings think that they can know God through their buddhi, they must know, how can you reach this Buddhi, it's supreme. How much labour He has taken to create us! After creating the matter, then He, or I should say, His power as Mahalakshmi descends on this Earth. Mahalakshmi helps in sustenance. Sustenance means all the scanning of all these elements. When they create the matter, the matter is differently created, created for different purposes. Now, what is the ultimate? The Creation has its ultimate aim is to create human beings - this creation, just imagine! You people are so great that for you all these troubles have been taken. Such an important thing is a human being that all these troubles are taken, - all matter, all, everything, is used just to create you. This is the ultimate aim. Sort of a stage has to be laid down and you come, the Sahaja Yogis come on the scene, you can say. Just the instrument of man is to be created. Now, why God wanted to create an instrument of man? Because He wanted to create an instrument which could feel Him, which could understand Him, which could emit, like Krishna creating his 'murli' (flute). He just wanted to play through our instruments His power. But He didn't want to do it through the dead instruments like these but through the living instruments. Supposing, if this (microphone) can understand, can love, has a human mind, and if my voice is passing through it like a hollow personality then we can say that this is a Realised personality. But this is not a living being, you are a living being. You are made specially with all these difficulties for millions of years, have been worked out so carefully, so delicately, one after another. We have to now jump to the evolution part, because you see, it's a very long thing. Shri Mataji: Kiti wasle (Marathi: what time is it?) Yogi: Saha wasle (six o’clock) So, now we have to come to the most important part which is evolution, which we should understand, because we know evolution through science. When these three forces came into being, before creating any earth or before creating this universe or anything, first they had to draw out a proper picture about it and a proper understanding of it, you see. As before doing anything, say, we have to plan out things, we have a planning commission, first of all, we sit down with a planning commission. In the same way, first, they had to form a stage where they just plan out the things. This stage we can call it as the 'Vaikuntha state'. Because this (current stage) is not the earliest state, this is created later on. First, the planning state is known as the vaikuntha state. At this stage they created all the incarnations. Incarnations were not created after the Earth has been created, which is a very wrong idea. They created all the incarnations at the vaikuntha state. Where you or I never existed at that time, this Earth never existed and nothing existed that you see with your naked eyes now. But a state of existence, the first one, known as the vaikuntha state, existed. In that vaikuntha state the planning of the whole Universe and the whole cosmos and all that was decided. So, the first person who had to come on this was Shiva, because without him nothing can exist, but where to settle Him down, because He is to be reflected onto something. If Shiva has to be reflected onto someone, you have to create a reflector. So, they had to, first, think of the one Primordial Being or a, one Huge Identity you can call it, known as Viraat. They created Virata. This will be the Viraata, this will be the complete form of the Primordial Being. This is the one I'm telling you about, this Reflector, The First One. The God Almighty has to be reflected, so, first, let us create, first of all, the Primordial Being, the Virata. In the Virata they created different incarnations. Incarnations are not created from human beings. I don't know why people think like that. They cannot be created by human beings. But they were first created. You see, evolution is alright from amoeba to human beings, but there is no evolution for incarnations. They are made like that from the very beginning. As you have seen in the Virata, I have shown you the picture of the Viraat, the three powers of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati met at the Agnya Chakra, and there they produced two children each - it’s not a story, is a fact, again - as brothers and sisters. And these brothers and sister means the relationship is of a temporary nature but of a subtler temperament. And then they were married, inter-communication took place. Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati and Mahakali created all together six children, who were married. Inter-marriage took place. By that inter-marriage they got an entity which was a kinetic personality and a potential energy within it, such a combination. And they placed those incarnations on different chakras. They brought from these, from the top, all of them were brought from the Agnya downward and placed onto all the chakras. These incarnations, as you know, are placed on different chakras of the Viraata. Many people won't understand this and won't like to hear this also, because human beings are so egoistical that they cannot understand that there is a God, Who is Almighty, Who is going to do everything, He has His own ways of doing it. Now, whether I'm telling the Truth or not, you can verify it on vibrations. You can see for yourself how Incarnations were created. And all these Incarnations were placed in the Viraata state. Here, to create the reflection on the other side, Shiva was removed from the Shakti, as it was removed in the beginning and it was placed on top of the Virata's head as the Sadashiva's pitha. In the same way, we, too, have a Sadashiva's pitha on our head. You see, we are the reflection of the reflector. So, we, too, have the same style, we, too, have a Sadahsiva's peetha on our head. He’s also placed here only. But when the Kundalini enters into the being, when he is in the womb of the mother, that time this Sadashiva peetha, or we can say, Sadashiva from this peetha descends into the heart. And that's how you hear the first throb in the heart. It is just the same as it happened in the Viraata. But at the vaikuntha stage this was not created, the second reflector here was not created, only the first one. So, only the Viraata was created and in His Being, in the planning stage, first of all, these officers, you can say, in charge of these chakras were created by Adi Shakti. God is the witness and She is doing the play and She creates those chakras. In the chakras She places all these deities to govern. Now, there is the existence, there is the creation, creative force, and there is the evolutionary force - all inside the Viraata state. Now, this is at the vaikuntha state, we say, because this state is on this first reflection. It is not in us, or we cannot feel it, the vaikuntha state, because it is in the first thing. Then another state was created, then third was created. But the fourth one is the bhavasagara, is the state at which all of us were born. First, in the fourth state…now, can you think of a four strata personality which is facing a mirror? Now, which is the first one [that] shows? Is the topmost. And that's why the topmost shows is the Bhavasagara. But if you can go deep down into your state, you can feel all the other three. But first of all, the one which you can see and feel it, is the Bhavasagara. So, you are born in the Bhavasagara. At this state you are at the bhavasagara state. At this Bhavasagara state, now, you are created and you have to evolve. At this time the Mahalakshmi power acts to evolve you. You already know how evolutionary things have taken place but I will tell you how evolution has taken place according to our puranas (ancient scriptures), and which is a fact. The Evolution of Man started, first from the amoeba, you can say; because the life came into being into water, as I told you [that] first the water was created. In the water the amino-acids were formed, amoeba were formed, fishes were formed and fishes, when they were formed, they found, the smaller fishes found it difficult to exist because of the bigger fishes were trying to eat it. It comes as a reciprocal thing, they were absolutely fed up of this destruction that was going on. At this time, Shri Vishnu Himself, the One who is the evolutionary force, descended on this Earth as the Matsya-Avatara. He helped some of the fishes to cross across the shores. By crossing across they had that courage, She was the leader. And then others started crossing across. This was the first evolutionary stage which we know. These fishes became reptiles later on; as you know, in the evolutionary stages that they became reptiles. But how did they become reptiles? There must be someone who must have given them the lead. It was again Shri Vishnu, who came on this Earth as a Kurma and lots of things were done at this time in the vaikuntha stage, before He came on this Earth as a Kurma Avatara. At the vaikuntha stage, when they created this Earth, when they created, they planned this whole Viraata and wanted to create, on this side of the reflector the whole planning and the whole thinking and all that process brought forth some sort of a waste matter. It brought forth the waste matter. This waste matter got contaminated or, we can say, got stagnated on to one side which was neglected somehow, and through it started coming out some satanic forces and there was a big fight between the satanic forces and the good forces. It actually happened in the third stage, not at the vaikuntha stage, but at the third stage, because when the planning started, the working out started, these satanic forces started working out. Now, people may say, "Why God created satanic forces?" He did not, but eventually they turned out to be because at the second stage, when some of the Devas, who were created. Again, they were not evolved people, they were created, Devas, in charge of all these elements and all the working, you see, you have to create also officers or people who have to go in the field and work out. All these Devas and Devatas: out of their working, what happened [is] that they got lost, some of them, and became satanic forces. Sort of a waste-product came in, and with that waste-product, satanic forces started and they acted in such a way that there was a war during the Kurma-Avatara between Rakshasas and the Suras, as they call it. So, the good people who were in charge of the elements, all the working in the office of God started fighting with the satanic forces. At that time, He Himself worked out this and you know what happened in the amrut-mantan which took place, and this is, - people don't understand how can the amrut-mantan take place in the bhavasagara, - it did not. It took place at a stage which is not bhavasagara. At the bhavasagara it did not take place. Now, we are at the bhavasagara state. At the bhavasagara state the same Kurma, the same one took birth and came on this Earth and gave us a understanding how to become a proper reptile. Like that we grew up. So, the whole thing will take too much time, I need not go into that. But, ultimately, a human being was created. All this is done by Mahalakshmi power, which has acted through Vishnu, which I have told you how evolution has taken place, how you are made. Now, what is going to happen? You reach this point, up to this point, till Christ came in. Christ was also an incarnation and his Mother was nobody else but Radhaji Herself, the Mahalakshmi. And they brought forth up to this stage the human beings. After this, now, what man has to become? - is to enter into a state where he becomes nirvichar, means there is no more the consciousness of the bhavasagara, but you go little beyond it. From this stage you dive into a state of Universal Unconscious, as they call it, it's nothing but the same power which exists here, which is a synthesis of all the three powers, is the synthesis of all the three powers. That is the Adi Shakti's power. Adi Shakti's power is all-pervading, exists everywhere, but we never feel it otherwise. Why? Because we are very grossly placed. We can say, that a tube, which has got, say four layers, out of which it can only use the outer tube, because the inner tubes are all closed. When the innermost tube is opened out, you become absolutely Self-realised, but when even the second tube is opened out, you can feel the all-pervading force of God Almighty, which is, we call it as Sampovapi achetan. But it is no more achetan (unconscious) for you because you are conscious of it. That is how you start your dialogue with God. What happens is that here, the reflection here, the reflector, that is reflecting work, from here you ascend into this part. You ascend onto this part. You do not become this but you ascend into this area. From here you ascend into this area. And this area is filled with the all-pervading power of Adi Shakti. Till you reach to this stage, you have to go up to this stage of an incarnation, which, of course, is a big gap. But I can say that Mahavira and Buddha, both of them rose to that height. But look at their disciples! For example, Buddha’s disciples, they have decried Shiva, they have decried all the Gods and Goddesses, I mean as if they did not know much about it. And the way they have shown in certain statues - that a Goddess is standing on top of a Shiva and a Parvati and is trying to kill; She is hitting Shri Ganesha and this is something so non-sensical. I mean, they completely killed the image of One United Force, acting the whole thing, in One united idea, with One united mind. Only whenever they had not united, they became Rakshasas and formed the satanic force. As I told you it's a very, very difficult subject and I've tried to handle it in English, is even worse. So, I've tried my level best to do it, but still if you have any questions, anything, you can ask me, some time, you can write to me, we can find it out. For tomorrow...Now, this is the only thing is, I wanted to tell you about this, that now you have got thoughtless awareness, no doubt. Most of you have got thoughtless awareness, you have got vibrations, but you have to jump into Nirvikalpa. Nirvikalpa. And [to] that you have to jump through deep meditation and through deep exposure. Otherwise, you see, it is no use only having this little state of Nirvichara, you have to jump into Nirvikalpa. That is a stage, little, as I've told you here, that a little ahead of this reflector, you have moved. But still you are going up and down, so many of you. This is a state known as satori in the Zen system of religion, they call it as 'satori': where, you see, if a person is going up and down, is catching, doing this, that. This stage has to be overcome. Then you go to the Nirvikalpa state. At the end of the Nirvikalpa state you just don't catch much. You are not bothered. So far, I haven't met any human being like that. You see, I have seen very great saints and realised people and I can say that they are definitely Self-realised, they are even controlling nature, some of them do, but still they catch on their chakras, is something surprising. But, you see, human beings are like that, they’ll go on catching and again, perhaps, they jump into the third state of Self-realisation completely, but they are again in a satori state and they come back and go back and, like that, may be. But I have seen that, so far, I have not met one human being whom I will say he is fully Self-realised, who doesn't catch. Except for me, I find, everybody is catching. It's most surprising. But when you don't catch - what happens, when you don't catch? Actually, this is a state rather difficult to achieve. But if you don't catch, if you think you don't catch - how you should do it ?- is to see this way: that if, supposing, you are catching Agnya, maybe. You must know that when you are catching your Agnya, you should not think you are catching your Agnya, but you should think that you are gathering a force here to combat the another person. If you can do like that. Supposing you are catching on the Vishuddhi chakra, instead of thinking that you are catching on Vishuddhi chakra and getting upset about it, if you start thinking that this is a force you are accumulating just to counterbalance his Vishuddhi chakra. Then, I think, it will work out better. That's why I always say that: extend your hands to others and see for yourself. This has helped many people because if they catch on Agnya and if they give vibrations to somebody who is Agnya caught, they find they are released. Such things are happening to very few but it's happening. So, this is what you can try: that don't think you are catching but you should think: a force has been accumulated to expel the Agnya of another person who is facing you. In the beginning, of course, it's a very, very slow process, but gradually you can do it and only people who start giving others. This is a collective thinking, is a collective thinking: that, supposing, now you can say like that, that if, supposing, there is a malaria attack on Me, then My own blood, My own blood cells are trying to combat it. And they are combating it. You see, if I give in, if I give in, then I become malarious. But if I do not give in, I become victorious. In the same way, if you could think this way while giving vibrations: that if you catch it is actually a force being accumulated into you and then you have to give it, then you are going to be much faster than all the munis put together, I can tell you. But that thinking is rather difficult for human beings, because once they catch, they get little worried, “I’m catching,” they start taking out their own. If you don't take out your own and go all out to give it to others, it will work out better. And this I've been, I've experimented with one or two people, I'm saying, and it has worked. Everybody does not have that capacity. So, gradually you rise, because you are just now newly born children, you have still to grow, you have to grow more. You might be learned, you might be knowing a lot, that doesn't mean, as far as your spirituality is concerned, you have just have come out of your satori state, some of you, and some of you are still in the satori state. So, be careful about it. I would like to meet you again, perhaps, after two years, I don't know when. Tomorrow we are having a meditation here, then I won't speak much. Tomorrow we have a meditation. We have a meditation centre here, where you should go and meet, when you meet in a group then it is a samuhik, is a group activity, I will be there. You'll be surprised that my vibrations cannot be felt anywhere so much as they can be felt in a group, about which I know that such and such group is working here. So, we have already three groups which are working in Delhi. And they are made quite closer to the places. After all, we must know that we don't have to go to Himalayas, as people went down, we don't have to do all these things. Only thing we have to go is to a place which is very much closer to us, it has been brought to our doors. The whole thing has been brought to your doors: the knowledge, the vibrations, the realisation and everything is made so easy. It's made easy.... But it should not mean that we should take it for granted. It has been made easy through a very, very great tapasya on my part, I should say. In many ages I've been living now for thousands of years and I've been working it out on so many human beings and so many things and, at long last, I've been able to find out most of the permutations and combinations of most of the human beings and that's how it has been worked out in such a large mass-scale. It would not have been possible if I had not worked it out in that way. And that's how if it has worked out it has to click with most of the people except for one type is very, very difficult, I must say, those who are bound to people who are rakshasas. If they are born rakshasas and if your head has touched their feet, it's a very difficult thing. So, I would warn you, that before you touch feet of anybody, you'd be careful about it. May God bless you all! It's already very late for all of you and such a difficult subject to be brought to such a short time, it's very difficult. I hope to write some book on Sahaja Yoga: ‘I hope’, I am saying, because, so far, I've never written any book. [I’m] trying to write some book, but before that some other people are writing. I hope, I may be able to write something. In any case, you try not to bother too much about these things. This is not so important as your own realisation and your own ascent [because] the whole knowledge will be dawned upon you. You don't have to bother! Every word now you read, you will have a meaning about it and you will understand. The first thing is that you must get your realisation, second thing is you must ascend. You must ascend much more and give more time to this. Do not take it for granted. It is a very important thing which you should do. After all there are other things, they are important. But this is the most important thing which has to be done. By God's grace, if it works out I'll be very happy. As it is, I'm extremely happy because in none of my lives I've been able to give realisations to so many people. So as it is, I am over-satisfied with Myself. But as far as you are concerned, you should not be satisfied, you should ask for more and more and more and it will be granted. Because you are the people who are on the stage, you are created for this purpose. One has to do it. God has to do it. If He does not do it, He cannot fulfil His own desires. And His Creation, He is not going to destroy. May God bless you! H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

"The Creation", New Delhi (India), 20 February 1977 Tonight we had decided to talk about Creation but our management has not been able to provide me with a chalk and with a blackboard so, I don't know, I'll try to explain it without drawing. It's a very difficult subject. And I'll try to make it intelligible. But I would request you to pay full attention for such a difficult subject like Creation. The greatest blessing today is that many of you can feel the vibrations. And not only that but you also know and realise that they can think and they can love. It's a very big blessing. Of course, some of you haven't got it, but those who have got it know that these vibrations organise, because they raise the Kundalini, they go to the place where it is needed, out of compassion, to that portion where there is deficiency. They understand, they organise they are universal in nature and they love. They answer to your questions, when you ask them some questions - you receive answer from them. They are living vibrations. These vibrations are from the Divine. This Divine is called as Brahma, Brahma Tattwa, Principle of Divine. We can say that the process of Creation is an eternal process. Means a seed becomes a tree and the tree becomes a seed, and the seed becomes a tree, and it goes on and on - it's eternal. So, it cannot have a starting point and it cannot have an ending point. It goes on and on and on. That's why it can have different states of existence, you can say, state of being. So, the first, just the being, is Brahma, where nothing exists. We say 'nothing'. When we say nothing, it is a relative word: because we do not exist, so we say 'nothing exists' - it's a relative word. When we are not existing, for us everything is 'nothing'. There is something, but that is not ourselves. And that's why, relatively, we say it is ‘nothing'. It's only the word Brahma, we can say. You can think of an energy, if you want to, an energy-form that exists. But the energy accumulates at a point and forms a nucleus. The energy that thinks, energy that is distributed, accumulates at a point, concentrates on a point, you can say, and this point is the point we call as Sadashiva. This happens because that energy desires, thinks, organises, loves. When it wants to create, when the desire is felt in that energy to create, at that time a nucleus is created. This nucleus we call as Sadashiva. This nucleus does not disappear. You can think of a nebula. I mean, it is something which is all relative you can think, you cannot think something in absolute form. So, with thinking you cannot conceptualise the whole thing, but if you can think of a state, where it's just an energy and no creation. But not the energy of electricity, magnetism - all these things. Is the combination, the synthesis of all the things which goes into laya which becomes that, dissolves into that. It coagulates on a point, that may be a [suitable] word, coagulates at a point which we can call as a nucleus. This point we call as Sadashiva. This Sadashiva is the Ishwara, is the God Almighty. We call it now “God” because now it has a limitation. In the sense that we can call it something. But if it is just an energy we just call it a Brahma. You can say like this: when the water becomes ice, a follicle of ice is formed, you can differentiate between the water and the ice, but still, it's a relative, relative understanding. At this state God Almighty, Parameshwara, takes its form as an identity. That's why we can say that it is not Brahma, but an identity. Identity has its aura, has its aura, we can say, its light. This light is the Divine Love. It goes into various forms but Sadashiva remains as He is. Now, the desire to create is transferred to the aura. The aura is the Power of God, Shakti. Ishwara has certain things beyond Him also and before Him. God Almighty has something beyond Him that He cannot control: one, He cannot control His eternal nature. It is His nature to be eternal, He cannot stop it. He will go on changing His form, it is His nature, it just... it is His swabhava. He cannot change it, His eternal nature. He will be eternally. Eternity is His temperament, His nature, He cannot overcome that. For example, God cannot take away your freedom to choose the Truth. He cannot. Once He has granted, He’s not going to take it away. You have to choose it in all your freedom. He will not force you to take it. Many people have hopes like that - they are sadly mistaken. At this juncture only lies the problem of complete destruction or complete resurrection. It is left into the hands of human beings to decide whether they want to accept the Truth or if they want to follow the falsehood. So, you have [been] given complete freedom to choose. I won't go into the details about God Almighty, because it's a very subtler subject and requires much more attention. I have talked about it before to many people and all His nature, they know that. But He is the Witness, He is the Sakshi (witness) in the form of a Sakshi. What is He witnessing? He is witnessing the Creation. And the power that creates the Creation is the Shakti, is His power, is His consort. Now, for us, human beings, we don't understand that a wife and a husband could be that one (unified). For example, you can understand like a Sun and a sunlight, Moon and the Moonlight - as these two things are one and the same. Or the meaning and the word. In the same way, Shiva and Shakti are one together. For example, you can be a father, you can be a mother. You can be a father, you can be a brother, you can be a son - three things you are doing together. In the same way, you can be your Self and your power. You know: you and your Self and your power are different, but you are one. You have a power to write, but you are not your power. Neither your power is your Self. In the same way, Shiva and Shakti are two persons to be identified, but they are part and parcel of one uniform thing known as ‘Brahma’. But these horrible Tantrikas - again they come round here - have spoiled the relationship between Shiva and Shakti. Not that they were human beings, that's why they established all these funny ideas and talked about these nonsensical things. Because they are the people who are nothing but their sex-points. They are nothing nobler than that. They are very depraved and diseased and debased people. They suffer from such a terrible disease that no way they can see anything else but this. Ashvameda has also described as something to do with sex. Everything they look, they see sex there. It's like a person, as we call it in Hindi - [HINDI 13:00 mins] - who is wearing the glass of sex and watching through that life, everything becomes sex, sex, sex, they are such debased and horrible depraved people, even God, they are bringing to that level. Unless and until they are bringing to that level, they cannot exist. How will they justify themselves, the way they are? Sex has nothing to do with Shiva and Shakti. What is Sun and sunlight? Is there any sex involved there? Is there nothing existing without sex for these horrible tantrikas? Is there no relationship that exists without sex? So, Shiva is the God Almighty - we should call him as Sadashiva. I'll try to draw a little bit, let us see how it works out. Now forming into a nucleus like this. Now, this is the remains of the nucleus, you can say, which forms its power here into a valaya. How does it form? He moves supposing backwards, you can say. Then what happens when he moves backwards...kara noko (marathi: don’t do that)...this, whole thing like this, remains here and all of this passes, forms a shell around it and the waves cross over and settle onto the shell - here. Now, this is the situation: when all inside forms another nucleus here by concentration - this is the Shakti. And this is the Sadashiva. This is the Mahashakti, you can say ‘Adi Shakti’ and this is the Sadashiva. Now here, Shiva, once the Shakti forms Her personality, or we can say, Her ego is established, She is a different identity from Shiva. Because the whole process is to create the play for the witness to see. He is the One who is going to watch the play. She is the One who is going to create it. So, She accumulates Her ego onto a point here and becomes Shakti, assumes a position there. And the first thing She does as a Shakti is to go round in a parabolic...in a parabola around Her Lord. This point one must understand. She is a Shakti, is the Power of God. And the whole Creation is only meant for God Almighty to be seen. He’s the only spectator of the play of Shakti. And if He doesn't like the play, for example, He doesn't like the way it is or the way people are that are created, He can immediately stop the play by closing His eyes, by denying the play, by showing His annoyance or by His stopper, He can just stop it. That's why He is also called as a destroyer. But the whole thing is meant for His amusement. And if it doesn't give Him pleasure, He can stop it. That's why the first one who must be pleased is the One who is the spectator. Because of this, Shiva is garlanded by Her, is a parabola and that's why parabola is the symbol of Adi Shakti. This is sort of a certificate to Her, a sort of a granting Her the varadan, as we call it in Sanskrit language, is the varadan that 'go ahead with your work.' This is a sanction given to Him. When She completes this parabola, the sanction has been granted and that's why She is a parabola. Here the question of men dominating the women and women dominating the men does not come in, because this is predominantly in our heads, you see. When we think of it, we think of men and women, it is nothing of the kind. It's just complete Oneness. Can we think of one couple which is absolutely united with each other? We cannot. Because we are all incomplete people. But if you could stretch your imagination to such a point that both of them are meant for each other only and the One who is active, is the Adi Shakti, is only active to please the God Almighty Who is the only spectator of Her play and He’s to be pleased first. So, She surrenders Herself before Him, takes the sanction through the parabola. Now, parabola is a very important thing. You know that everything travels through parabola, never in a straight line. For example, if you love someone, our love goes round that person and comes back to us as love. But if you hate that person, then our hatred goes round that person and comes back to us as a terrible hatred. So, the parabola is taken, but you might say 'why a parabola?' The question can be: "Why should there be a parabola and not a circle?" The reason is: parabola is the shortest distance to go round another point, is the shortest. And that's why it's a parabola. It is even in our ordinary life, you will find this happening: that whatever you do to others, it comes back to you in some form, whether you do good or bad. And that's why our karmic ideas and that of our doing punyas are all there. Because whatever we emit through us, will come back to us. In the same way, if you bless the whole world, the blessings of the whole world will come to us. As I told you, the process is not that simple as it can be drawn, because it's a living process of a big dimension but I'm just trying to make it simpler for you to understand. Now, this parabola, when, here now, when She is, She goes into the motion of a parabola and Shiva sanctioned Her, sanctions Her - it's a living process, again you must understand, it's a living process, it's as human as we are. Both of them are as human as we are, we should say, they are thousand times more human than we are. So, here the Wife, His Consort, says that: “I am very happy just like this. I won't go any further with it.” Because Creation is not an easy thing for Her, She doesn't want to depart from Her Creation. Creation is the child and She says, “I would not like to have children now, because I will lose you.” So, She pushes Herself towards Him and He pushes Her back and disappears, opening out from here. Now She is in this form. So, the beginning of the Om starts. Parabola, first of all, gets converted into Om. Then She pushes Herself down and settles down for a while to meditate and to find out how She is going to work it out, we can say like this. You see, it is Her desire which must be aroused. If Her desire is not aroused, She will not conceive the Creation. So, a kalpa is spent in that. Quite a lot of time is spent in Her own thinking - which way She should do it. She has created many universes. It is not one universe She has created. She has created universes after universes and I will show you how She has created so many universes. And some of them are still lingering on, some of them are destroyed. But today before us: this Universe, this Earth, on this Earth, India and in India, Delhi, you are sitting attending this place. It's like that. So, at this moment, whatever is the thing, is not the past, nor the future, but I'm telling you about the present moment we are here. But many universes have been created by Adi Shakti; even before us. And She has tried many other things also. Ultimately She has tried this. She has created Earth and then created us. Now, how She has done that we'll see later on. Just now let us see how She assumes her powers. When She decides to create, She is endowed with three powers: She has three powers of God which are granted to Her. By one power, first of all, is the existence, the desire to exist, She desires to exist with God. The second power is to create and the third power is to sustain. First power is existence, second is to create and the third is the evolving power or sustenance power by which gradually you sustain something and you become something. These are the three powers She assumes. In short, we can say that She forms three powers of Mahakali, Mahasaraswati and Mahalakshmi. These are the three powers She assumes within Herself. Now, She uses again Her parabolic systems. You know, supposing, I have come to this house by this way, I know this way. Then I take that way, I know that way. I know the middle way, everything. Now, I know these three ways and I know all about it: with that knowledge, I can do something else. So, She again uses Her parabolic movements. Actually, Her three movements, of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati, are all the time with Her, with the Adi Shakti. She can separate them and put them into three different channels. She can combine them and synthesise them and use it as a parabola - you understand this? That's why when we put a bandhan to you, we say “put a parabola,” is a parabola, because the vibrations are all in... all the three powers are flowing this way. So, we have got, you know that, three powers - the Mahakali power you can say, I need not write, “Mahakali power”. By Mahakali power She desires, as I've told you, is the emotional side of God, you can say. She represents the emotional side of God, She desires. Is the desire is that of God. God Almighty, Who is the spectator, He is the Sakshi. And She puts that Sakshi into your heart, She reflects that into your heart which is kept all the time burning to watch what you are doing. To see your play after your creation. Her Mahasaraswati power, now, moves in a parabola. She can move in any angle, 360 angles She can move, from one point. Sometimes, She goes round and round at a point. When She goes round and round at a point, Her Mahasaraswati power can get consolidated; you can say, it becomes dense. You see, that's the trouble with English language! It becomes dense, it becomes so very dense that it cracks out. These cracks occur due to the momentum of the movement of the Mahakali power, Mahasaraswati power. Because it is moving in a round and round fashion, they also get into the momentum of that movement, they start moving. For example, this part starts moving, this part starts moving, this part starts moving. And when they start moving, they become rounds, they lose their angularities and then they become round. Now I'm telling you, very much in short because it’s a...they become round. These rounds again are put into friction with each other. And that is how, we can say - now forget about other universes, where other styles were also created - but about this one we can say, was created. Now, you must all the time remember that this Power thinks, understands, organises, loves and is an identity. So, She creates the Earth. Earth is not created so easily. Part of the Sun is removed just like this, with the hand, you can say. We must understand why the Sun became so cold. Sun is, from the Sun it is removed very much far away first, to the farthest point so that it freezes completely. Also like Moon, it was taken very far away. It just freezes completely and is then brought near the Sun again, like a pendulum. It is moved again towards the cold side, again it is brought to the hot side. It is brought to a point, to the medium point where Earth is made, is made - again I'm saying, it's not a chance of nature - is made deliberately, habitable for human beings, the temperature was brought in. It has been done by Adi Shakti, the Mother. She has done it deliberately, it's not easy to conceive of such a Mother. But She has done it. And She brings this Earth to a point where life can begin. So the combination of Moon and the combination of Sun gives you hydrogen from the Moon, oxygen from the sun, gives you water, the freezing and heating. The freezing and heating gives you the water. In the water, when the Earth is made, spirally, to move upward, again the heating and cooling starts. By heating and cooling, life comes into being as amino-acids. Is done deliberately! What I am saying: it is not done by something, by chance. On this also one has to think once: “How is it?” It is not chance! If you read De Noüy [Pierre Lecomte De Noüy (1883-1947), mathematician, biologist] , is a very big biologist, I mean, I think he’s one of the greatest biologists who has really gone into the calculations of how much time should it take for a simple amoeba to be created out of the matter and he has calculated that it should take much more time than even what we have had so far - billions of billions of years are needed just by chance. Law of chance is there, which I don't know if I should tell you elaborately, but law of chance is that, if you have in one tube 50 red pebbles and 50 white pebbles and if you start shaking them and make them absolutely in a chaotic order, it takes so much, so much times shaking to make it again the same as it is, or to bring it into order. So, even to create an orderly living protoplasm, a cell, would have taken much more time than it has taken so far: much more, many times more, billions of billions. And it has taken only 5 billion years for Earth to secede from the Moon. And only 2 billion years for it to cool down. So, he says, it is beyond any understanding - only thing that can explain it, what we can say, is that there is a ‘Juggler’ behind it. And there is a Juggler, about which our great rishis and munis know that - that Juggler is nobody else but Adi Shakti, the Primordial Mother. The Primordial Father is Sadashiva and the Primordial Mother is Adi Shakti. And are we going to discuss about their sex? Are we going to do that way with the tantrikas? Is that the way to pay homage to your parents? We have to understand that it's a very, very solemn subject, we are discussing here the sanctum sanctorium of the love of our Primordial Parents. It's a very, very holy thing. We are not holy people, we are yet full of lots of greed and lust, but they are above everything. So, when we are discussing them, we have to know, we have to do it with great shraddha, and with our head bowed before them that it is our luck and we are very fortunate that we have been able to learn something about these two Primordial Parents who have brought forth this Creation, their child. So, one of these then again cracks and becomes a surya-mandal, and a surya-mandala has got, as you know, Earth and Moon and all these things and I have told you how Earth is created. After the Creation of Earth, first, you know that amino-acids were formed, the vegetation started and then the human being started. Now, the matter, also, is a very systematic thing. Matter is not unsystematic, it is systematic, but it is not organised - there is difference between the two. The systematic things are dead, can be dead. You can put five stones here in a systematic manner, but they are not organised, because they are not living things. There's a difference between the two. So, first, the systematic things were laid down. Perhaps, if you know about the...Eight different types of elements were created. These were created and were put into proper places through Shri Ganesha. You know that the carbon... carbon is in the centre of these periodical elements that appear. That means a element which has got one valency, two valency, three valency and four valency, the three are the plus ones, then you've got one C, carbon, which has got four valences. Then you have got, again, minus one, two, three and four - is a complete eight. Like that, the whole matter has been organised. To organise the matter, some deity was to be created for that, and first deity that was created was that of Shri Ganesh. Let us see now how She created here. You have seen that one part of Her, which is the Mahasaraswati, has created the matter. Mahasaraswati has created the matter. Now, Mahakali has to give them existence. How do you get an existence? Is through your sustenance or, you can say, through your quality - whatever you are. So, Mahakali gives that existence to those material things, not human beings or living things but matter, through a deity known as Shri Ganesh. Mahakali... In the heart of the Virata, as you see, - you'll see Viraata also He comes in, because that I will tell you later on - but in the heart of Virata, is the Primordial Being, the complete Primordial Being, the Mahakali is settled down. What She does, She goes three and a half from the heart: one up, one down like that - three and a half times and comes to the end of the three and a half, down-way. Three and a half. Now, She comes at the end of it. And if you put three and a half like that and if you cut it straight, you get 7 centres cut in. Is there a drawing person who knows how to draw? You should start from like that, you can put it like this. She comes down here. She comes down here and from here She penetrates. You see, She cuts at seven points here. At this point, She creates the first deity, little below, of Shri Ganesh. I mean, this is not done in one day, is not done in one year, not done in one Yuga, it is done in many Kalpas. The first step is to create Shri Ganesh, this is Her abode and She puts Shri Ganesh. Now, he is emitting his vibrations through all this. He passes through all this whatever She has created. On this picture is settled the work of the Mahasaraswati, you can say. She comes down with all Her programs like this and She makes it. And She gets joined here again. So, Shri Ganesha emits His vibrations through her. First, Shri Mahakali creates Shri Ganesha and then Mahasaraswati comes down, She creates all these things and gets connected to Shri Ganesha. So, the vibrations of Shri Ganesha start flowing through all the creation of Mahasaraswati. Before creating all this, the complete thought of what is going to happen in future comes in a clear-cut vision of the Adi Shakti. And She puts Her plans through. First of all, the Mahalakshmi power comes down and creates the Shri Ganesha. You can understand now how important it is that we have to be holy people. First, She created the holiness on this Earth. First thing, Her relationship with the child was established, because the Creation is going to be created in the image of Her child. That's why Shri Ganesha was created first. And then from here, say, is the Adi Shakti, the other power, Mahasaraswati, on Her way, She comes down and gets connected with Shri Ganesha. And that's how the Shri Ganesha establishes the relationship and emits His vibrations through this. Because of His vibrations passing through the matter that She has created. For example, our Mother Earth: through this passes the, you know that through it passes the axis. Nobody has seen the axis, but they say, there is an axis, from the way it moves. There is a kind of an axis. Now, this is the power of Mahakali passing through the [axis]. We can say, it's the power of Shri Ganesh passing through the axis of the Mother Earth, which has got magnetic power in it. And that's how, through that, it controls its speed, its movement, and also it looks after us. Why don't we think that when we put a little seed in the soil it sprouts, automatically? You have seen now, many of you who have been suffering from certain troubles and diseases, that the Mother Earth herself took down your problems, She sucked them out. It is a fact, you can see it in Sahaja Yoga, that after realisation if you have any problem, if your head is heavy, if you are a realised soul, otherwise She doesn't listen, because you should be activated or you should be granted a certificate from the Adi Shakti that you're a realised person, otherwise why should She accept you? You just put your head on the soil, put your both the hands on the Mother Earth and you'll find the whole thing will be sucked out from your forehead. It has been done with many, even from the legs it can take out. Mother Earth is actually, is the Mother of Adi Shakti, you can say. She is the Mother, they say, because She is made in such a way that She takes all the weights of the world in Herself. She controls all the weights of the world and She can consume all your weight. She’s the dharaa. Now, weight means everything that... your weight is what we weigh in: that's not the thing. Weight means also your sins, also your punyas. It means everything. If you have too many sins in you, then Mother Earth feels hurt. Wherever there is too much of sin, then Mother Earth has to ask help. And then some other deity has to, like Vishnu himself, has to come on this Earth to save Her from this too much of overloading of sins upon this Earth. Is a fact! It is not I'm telling you a mythical story, is a fact. Which you have to verify after getting vibrations. Before getting vibrations, you cannot find out from the Mother Earth. If you want to find out some time, if you are realised, you just stand on the Mother Earth and ask her "Will you take away my sins, oh Mother Earth? Will you take away my karmas? I have been realised." Immediately, She’ll start drawing you. You'll be surprised. You'll feel so much lighter. You have to use Her. That is how Mother Earth has been created. But also Adi Shakti through Her Mahasaraswati power has created the five elements. Before everything else, She created tanmatra (subtle elements) as you call it, I mean, if I go into details, it’s going to be too much for you! But first of all, the causal essences were created by Her. But if I say like this, there won't be anything false. If I say that just by seeing by Her sight, by her drushti (sight), She has created this light. Just by Her breathing, She has created air, because Her desire is the last point. Because She desired there should be air, She created air. Like that, She has, Her smell has created the causal, gandha, which has created this mother Earth. And it has started from Her only, from Her desires, by Her desiring it - it was created for Her and that's how it was created in the whole Universe, which was later on made into Earth, Moon, Sun and all these things. Actually, it was Her mere desire which brought forth these. For us it is impossible to understand someone like that, who, just by mere desire can create. But when we think of somebody who is above all the powers of the world, the One the, who is the highest of all: She can do anything She feels like. Can't we think like that? We cannot think of someone like that. We think of God, who is Almighty, we call Him, but when we talk of His mights we start laughing. How can it be? But She can do anything She wants to. It is only Her mere desire that has brought forth all these creations and all this things that you see in this world are created only by Her desire. She created akasha. She created all these five elements, which you know, and then She started Her another form which we call as the Mahalakshmi form. Before that, I think, I should tell you about Shri Ganesha's existence in the matter. He acts in the matter as vibrations, as Mahasaraswati vibrations. They are electromagnetic vibrations, Mahasaraswati vibrations are electromagnetic vibrations, we can say, that electromagnetic and also there is sound, and all these five elements are expressed in that. You can record them - because if you take a sulphur dioxide, for example, a sulphur dioxide and two oxygen and one sulphur and if you watch them properly under a very highly micro - you can try, I don't know if people have tried, but you can try to find out - and put it under, let's say, a very highly developed micro - microwave- microscope, you can say, you can see that the oxygen things and sulphur, - sulphur is stationary, - but these two are vibrating. They are vibrating, there’s a vibration going between these bonds. They can be isometric also, they can be symmetric, they can be even, uneven and they can be expanding, and closing like that. So, there are three types of vibrations, we find. And the fourth side is nothing but Shri Ganesha himself who is controlling. So, this we can see with our naked eyes, if you want to see, even if you are realised or not. From where do these vibrations come in the minutest paramanu, as you call, the molecules? In a molecule, how do you get these vibrations, can you explain this? It is so much, sukshma, parasukshma. The powers of Ganesha are very, very subtle and they enter into the matter and create this kind of vibrations, which you can even see and record, electromagnetic vibrations, in, even, a one small, little molecule. So, we have in these, as I told you, into the periodic level, periodic laws of elements, you can find out that all the elements are divided into eight types. Just see! How can all the elements be divided into eight parts without somebody being there? Can you do something without organising a proper chart of these elements? Just think about it! You see, when we challenge God, we have to understand that in this world everything is so well organised, there are eight elements spread out so well, placed so well. And it has a particular style of behaviour and every element is different in numbers and protons and these numbers are very well calculated in such a manner that the end of it, that the last circle, that the last circle of all the protons should be eight. If it is not eight, if it is less than eight then it creates a valency problem. It is so well organised, then, even if you study this, if there is anybody who knows little bit of chemistry, you know, so if you know chemistry, it's such a wonderful thing. We take it for granted! We think it is our right to have the matter so well organised for us! But the valencies are all depending on such a nice organisation of this eight protons at the outer thing. This is all done through the Mahasaraswati power. But the vibrating force...Now see, there is a vibrating force: this is all done through the, as I told you, through the Mahasaraswati power. She creates. Now the vibrating force: He exists, matter also exists. It must exist. If it does not exist, nothing can exist. So, the existence force is given through the Mahakali force, which is acting through Shri Ganesh, who is sitting at the nucleus. He is sitting at the nucleus of every [atom]. Can you imagine how much it must be? Every molecule and every atom. You cannot understand the finiteness of it. Now, see, say, take one element like gold, how many molecules it has? Can you calculate? [It’s] beyond us! How many, you can say, atoms it has? We just cannot calculate it. And then how many Ganesha's pictures must be there? How is it achieved? Is another thing which I will tell you if I come in the way. How infinite reflections are caught into and why there are two things like Shiva and Adi Shakti? The reason is it has to create an infinite reflection. How do you create an infinite reflection? Do you know that? Anybody who knows physics? If you place in the centre of two mirrors something, then the reflections are infinite. So, the first mirror is the Adi Shakti and the second mirror is this Creation, and that's how you can get infinite reflections on this Earth. This is the reason why you can get infinite reflections. And that's why you had to create another one who reflects it. And that's why there have to be three identities, one, the God Almighty, then Adi Shakti and then the whole Universe. It had to be that way, otherwise you cannot create infinite reflections. Now, somebody who has done this job must be a very clever man, no doubt. When human beings think that they can know God through their buddhi, they must know, how can you reach this Buddhi, it's supreme. How much labour He has taken to create us! After creating the matter, then He, or I should say, His power as Mahalakshmi descends on this Earth. Mahalakshmi helps in sustenance. Sustenance means all the scanning of all these elements. When they create the matter, the matter is differently created, created for different purposes. Now, what is the ultimate? The Creation has its ultimate aim is to create human beings - this creation, just imagine! You people are so great that for you all these troubles have been taken. Such an important thing is a human being that all these troubles are taken, - all matter, all, everything, is used just to create you. This is the ultimate aim. Sort of a stage has to be laid down and you come, the Sahaja Yogis come on the scene, you can say. Just the instrument of man is to be created. Now, why God wanted to create an instrument of man? Because He wanted to create an instrument which could feel Him, which could understand Him, which could emit, like Krishna creating his 'murli' (flute). He just wanted to play through our instruments His power. But He didn't want to do it through the dead instruments like these but through the living instruments. Supposing, if this (microphone) can understand, can love, has a human mind, and if my voice is passing through it like a hollow personality then we can say that this is a Realised personality. But this is not a living being, you are a living being. You are made specially with all these difficulties for millions of years, have been worked out so carefully, so delicately, one after another. We have to now jump to the evolution part, because you see, it's a very long thing. Shri Mataji: Kiti wasle (Marathi: what time is it?) Yogi: Saha wasle (six o’clock) So, now we have to come to the most important part which is evolution, which we should understand, because we know evolution through science. When these three forces came into being, before creating any earth or before creating this universe or anything, first they had to draw out a proper picture about it and a proper understanding of it, you see. As before doing anything, say, we have to plan out things, we have a planning commission, first of all, we sit down with a planning commission. In the same way, first, they had to form a stage where they just plan out the things. This stage we can call it as the 'Vaikuntha state'. Because this (current stage) is not the earliest state, this is created later on. First, the planning state is known as the vaikuntha state. At this stage they created all the incarnations. Incarnations were not created after the Earth has been created, which is a very wrong idea. They created all the incarnations at the vaikuntha state. Where you or I never existed at that time, this Earth never existed and nothing existed that you see with your naked eyes now. But a state of existence, the first one, known as the vaikuntha state, existed. In that vaikuntha state the planning of the whole Universe and the whole cosmos and all that was decided. So, the first person who had to come on this was Shiva, because without him nothing can exist, but where to settle Him down, because He is to be reflected onto something. If Shiva has to be reflected onto someone, you have to create a reflector. So, they had to, first, think of the one Primordial Being or a, one Huge Identity you can call it, known as Viraat. They created Virata. This will be the Viraata, this will be the complete form of the Primordial Being. This is the one I'm telling you about, this Reflector, The First One. The God Almighty has to be reflected, so, first, let us create, first of all, the Primordial Being, the Virata. In the Virata they created different incarnations. Incarnations are not created from human beings. I don't know why people think like that. They cannot be created by human beings. But they were first created. You see, evolution is alright from amoeba to human beings, but there is no evolution for incarnations. They are made like that from the very beginning. As you have seen in the Virata, I have shown you the picture of the Viraat, the three powers of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati met at the Agnya Chakra, and there they produced two children each - it’s not a story, is a fact, again - as brothers and sisters. And these brothers and sister means the relationship is of a temporary nature but of a subtler temperament. And then they were married, inter-communication took place. Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati and Mahakali created all together six children, who were married. Inter-marriage took place. By that inter-marriage they got an entity which was a kinetic personality and a potential energy within it, such a combination. And they placed those incarnations on different chakras. They brought from these, from the top, all of them were brought from the Agnya downward and placed onto all the chakras. These incarnations, as you know, are placed on different chakras of the Viraata. Many people won't understand this and won't like to hear this also, because human beings are so egoistical that they cannot understand that there is a God, Who is Almighty, Who is going to do everything, He has His own ways of doing it. Now, whether I'm telling the Truth or not, you can verify it on vibrations. You can see for yourself how Incarnations were created. And all these Incarnations were placed in the Viraata state. Here, to create the reflection on the other side, Shiva was removed from the Shakti, as it was removed in the beginning and it was placed on top of the Virata's head as the Sadashiva's pitha. In the same way, we, too, have a Sadashiva's pitha on our head. You see, we are the reflection of the reflector. So, we, too, have the same style, we, too, have a Sadahsiva's peetha on our head. He’s also placed here only. But when the Kundalini enters into the being, when he is in the womb of the mother, that time this Sadashiva peetha, or we can say, Sadashiva from this peetha descends into the heart. And that's how you hear the first throb in the heart. It is just the same as it happened in the Viraata. But at the vaikuntha stage this was not created, the second reflector here was not created, only the first one. So, only the Viraata was created and in His Being, in the planning stage, first of all, these officers, you can say, in charge of these chakras were created by Adi Shakti. God is the witness and She is doing the play and She creates those chakras. In the chakras She places all these deities to govern. Now, there is the existence, there is the creation, creative force, and there is the evolutionary force - all inside the Viraata state. Now, this is at the vaikuntha state, we say, because this state is on this first reflection. It is not in us, or we cannot feel it, the vaikuntha state, because it is in the first thing. Then another state was created, then third was created. But the fourth one is the bhavasagara, is the state at which all of us were born. First, in the fourth state…now, can you think of a four strata personality which is facing a mirror? Now, which is the first one [that] shows? Is the topmost. And that's why the topmost shows is the Bhavasagara. But if you can go deep down into your state, you can feel all the other three. But first of all, the one which you can see and feel it, is the Bhavasagara. So, you are born in the Bhavasagara. At this state you are at the bhavasagara state. At this Bhavasagara state, now, you are created and you have to evolve. At this time the Mahalakshmi power acts to evolve you. You already know how evolutionary things have taken place but I will tell you how evolution has taken place according to our puranas (ancient scriptures), and which is a fact. The Evolution of Man started, first from the amoeba, you can say; because the life came into being into water, as I told you [that] first the water was created. In the water the amino-acids were formed, amoeba were formed, fishes were formed and fishes, when they were formed, they found, the smaller fishes found it difficult to exist because of the bigger fishes were trying to eat it. It comes as a reciprocal thing, they were absolutely fed up of this destruction that was going on. At this time, Shri Vishnu Himself, the One who is the evolutionary force, descended on this Earth as the Matsya-Avatara. He helped some of the fishes to cross across the shores. By crossing across they had that courage, She was the leader. And then others started crossing across. This was the first evolutionary stage which we know. These fishes became reptiles later on; as you know, in the evolutionary stages that they became reptiles. But how did they become reptiles? There must be someone who must have given them the lead. It was again Shri Vishnu, who came on this Earth as a Kurma and lots of things were done at this time in the vaikuntha stage, before He came on this Earth as a Kurma Avatara. At the vaikuntha stage, when they created this Earth, when they created, they planned this whole Viraata and wanted to create, on this side of the reflector the whole planning and the whole thinking and all that process brought forth some sort of a waste matter. It brought forth the waste matter. This waste matter got contaminated or, we can say, got stagnated on to one side which was neglected somehow, and through it started coming out some satanic forces and there was a big fight between the satanic forces and the good forces. It actually happened in the third stage, not at the vaikuntha stage, but at the third stage, because when the planning started, the working out started, these satanic forces started working out. Now, people may say, "Why God created satanic forces?" He did not, but eventually they turned out to be because at the second stage, when some of the Devas, who were created. Again, they were not evolved people, they were created, Devas, in charge of all these elements and all the working, you see, you have to create also officers or people who have to go in the field and work out. All these Devas and Devatas: out of their working, what happened [is] that they got lost, some of them, and became satanic forces. Sort of a waste-product came in, and with that waste-product, satanic forces started and they acted in such a way that there was a war during the Kurma-Avatara between Rakshasas and the Suras, as they call it. So, the good people who were in charge of the elements, all the working in the office of God started fighting with the satanic forces. At that time, He Himself worked out this and you know what happened in the amrut-mantan which took place, and this is, - people don't understand how can the amrut-mantan take place in the bhavasagara, - it did not. It took place at a stage which is not bhavasagara. At the bhavasagara it did not take place. Now, we are at the bhavasagara state. At the bhavasagara state the same Kurma, the same one took birth and came on this Earth and gave us a understanding how to become a proper reptile. Like that we grew up. So, the whole thing will take too much time, I need not go into that. But, ultimately, a human being was created. All this is done by Mahalakshmi power, which has acted through Vishnu, which I have told you how evolution has taken place, how you are made. Now, what is going to happen? You reach this point, up to this point, till Christ came in. Christ was also an incarnation and his Mother was nobody else but Radhaji Herself, the Mahalakshmi. And they brought forth up to this stage the human beings. After this, now, what man has to become? - is to enter into a state where he becomes nirvichar, means there is no more the consciousness of the bhavasagara, but you go little beyond it. From this stage you dive into a state of Universal Unconscious, as they call it, it's nothing but the same power which exists here, which is a synthesis of all the three powers, is the synthesis of all the three powers. That is the Adi Shakti's power. Adi Shakti's power is all-pervading, exists everywhere, but we never feel it otherwise. Why? Because we are very grossly placed. We can say, that a tube, which has got, say four layers, out of which it can only use the outer tube, because the inner tubes are all closed. When the innermost tube is opened out, you become absolutely Self-realised, but when even the second tube is opened out, you can feel the all-pervading force of God Almighty, which is, we call it as Sampovapi achetan. But it is no more achetan (unconscious) for you because you are conscious of it. That is how you start your dialogue with God. What happens is that here, the reflection here, the reflector, that is reflecting work, from here you ascend into this part. You ascend onto this part. You do not become this but you ascend into this area. From here you ascend into this area. And this area is filled with the all-pervading power of Adi Shakti. Till you reach to this stage, you have to go up to this stage of an incarnation, which, of course, is a big gap. But I can say that Mahavira and Buddha, both of them rose to that height. But look at their disciples! For example, Buddha’s disciples, they have decried Shiva, they have decried all the Gods and Goddesses, I mean as if they did not know much about it. And the way they have shown in certain statues - that a Goddess is standing on top of a Shiva and a Parvati and is trying to kill; She is hitting Shri Ganesha and this is something so non-sensical. I mean, they completely killed the image of One United Force, acting the whole thing, in One united idea, with One united mind. Only whenever they had not united, they became Rakshasas and formed the satanic force. As I told you it's a very, very difficult subject and I've tried to handle it in English, is even worse. So, I've tried my level best to do it, but still if you have any questions, anything, you can ask me, some time, you can write to me, we can find it out. For tomorrow...Now, this is the only thing is, I wanted to tell you about this, that now you have got thoughtless awareness, no doubt. Most of you have got thoughtless awareness, you have got vibrations, but you have to jump into Nirvikalpa. Nirvikalpa. And [to] that you have to jump through deep meditation and through deep exposure. Otherwise, you see, it is no use only having this little state of Nirvichara, you have to jump into Nirvikalpa. That is a stage, little, as I've told you here, that a little ahead of this reflector, you have moved. But still you are going up and down, so many of you. This is a state known as satori in the Zen system of religion, they call it as 'satori': where, you see, if a person is going up and down, is catching, doing this, that. This stage has to be overcome. Then you go to the Nirvikalpa state. At the end of the Nirvikalpa state you just don't catch much. You are not bothered. So far, I haven't met any human being like that. You see, I have seen very great saints and realised people and I can say that they are definitely Self-realised, they are even controlling nature, some of them do, but still they catch on their chakras, is something surprising. But, you see, human beings are like that, they’ll go on catching and again, perhaps, they jump into the third state of Self-realisation completely, but they are again in a satori state and they come back and go back and, like that, may be. But I have seen that, so far, I have not met one human being whom I will say he is fully Self-realised, who doesn't catch. Except for me, I find, everybody is catching. It's most surprising. But when you don't catch - what happens, when you don't catch? Actually, this is a state rather difficult to achieve. But if you don't catch, if you think you don't catch - how you should do it ?- is to see this way: that if, supposing, you are catching Agnya, maybe. You must know that when you are catching your Agnya, you should not think you are catching your Agnya, but you should think that you are gathering a force here to combat the another person. If you can do like that. Supposing you are catching on the Vishuddhi chakra, instead of thinking that you are catching on Vishuddhi chakra and getting upset about it, if you start thinking that this is a force you are accumulating just to counterbalance his Vishuddhi chakra. Then, I think, it will work out better. That's why I always say that: extend your hands to others and see for yourself. This has helped many people because if they catch on Agnya and if they give vibrations to somebody who is Agnya caught, they find they are released. Such things are happening to very few but it's happening. So, this is what you can try: that don't think you are catching but you should think: a force has been accumulated to expel the Agnya of another person who is facing you. In the beginning, of course, it's a very, very slow process, but gradually you can do it and only people who start giving others. This is a collective thinking, is a collective thinking: that, supposing, now you can say like that, that if, supposing, there is a malaria attack on Me, then My own blood, My own blood cells are trying to combat it. And they are combating it. You see, if I give in, if I give in, then I become malarious. But if I do not give in, I become victorious. In the same way, if you could think this way while giving vibrations: that if you catch it is actually a force being accumulated into you and then you have to give it, then you are going to be much faster than all the munis put together, I can tell you. But that thinking is rather difficult for human beings, because once they catch, they get little worried, “I’m catching,” they start taking out their own. If you don't take out your own and go all out to give it to others, it will work out better. And this I've been, I've experimented with one or two people, I'm saying, and it has worked. Everybody does not have that capacity. So, gradually you rise, because you are just now newly born children, you have still to grow, you have to grow more. You might be learned, you might be knowing a lot, that doesn't mean, as far as your spirituality is concerned, you have just have come out of your satori state, some of you, and some of you are still in the satori state. So, be careful about it. I would like to meet you again, perhaps, after two years, I don't know when. Tomorrow we are having a meditation here, then I won't speak much. Tomorrow we have a meditation. We have a meditation centre here, where you should go and meet, when you meet in a group then it is a samuhik, is a group activity, I will be there. You'll be surprised that my vibrations cannot be felt anywhere so much as they can be felt in a group, about which I know that such and such group is working here. So, we have already three groups which are working in Delhi. And they are made quite closer to the places. After all, we must know that we don't have to go to Himalayas, as people went down, we don't have to do all these things. Only thing we have to go is to a place which is very much closer to us, it has been brought to our doors. The whole thing has been brought to your doors: the knowledge, the vibrations, the realisation and everything is made so easy. It's made easy.... But it should not mean that we should take it for granted. It has been made easy through a very, very great tapasya on my part, I should say. In many ages I've been living now for thousands of years and I've been working it out on so many human beings and so many things and, at long last, I've been able to find out most of the permutations and combinations of most of the human beings and that's how it has been worked out in such a large mass-scale. It would not have been possible if I had not worked it out in that way. And that's how if it has worked out it has to click with most of the people except for one type is very, very difficult, I must say, those who are bound to people who are rakshasas. If they are born rakshasas and if your head has touched their feet, it's a very difficult thing. So, I would warn you, that before you touch feet of anybody, you'd be careful about it. May God bless you all! It's already very late for all of you and such a difficult subject to be brought to such a short time, it's very difficult. I hope to write some book on Sahaja Yoga: ‘I hope’, I am saying, because, so far, I've never written any book. [I’m] trying to write some book, but before that some other people are writing. I hope, I may be able to write something. In any case, you try not to bother too much about these things. This is not so important as your own realisation and your own ascent [because] the whole knowledge will be dawned upon you. You don't have to bother! Every word now you read, you will have a meaning about it and you will understand. The first thing is that you must get your realisation, second thing is you must ascend. You must ascend much more and give more time to this. Do not take it for granted. It is a very important thing which you should do. After all there are other things, they are important. But this is the most important thing which has to be done. By God's grace, if it works out I'll be very happy. As it is, I'm extremely happy because in none of my lives I've been able to give realisations to so many people. So as it is, I am over-satisfied with Myself. But as far as you are concerned, you should not be satisfied, you should ask for more and more and more and it will be granted. Because you are the people who are on the stage, you are created for this purpose. One has to do it. God has to do it. If He does not do it, He cannot fulfil His own desires. And His Creation, He is not going to destroy. May God bless you! H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

2/22/1977

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About the different Chakras and their Deities. Delhi, (India), 22 February 1977. … that the source of joy is within your Self. Unless and until you seek your Self you cannot seek God.They have all talked about the second birth. What we call the baptism is also the same where you have to be born again. Is not just a formal one that is done by unauthorized people. Even the word "Musalman", Mohammed Sahib has again and again talked of a rebirth.You have to find your Self. How do we find our Selves is the problem. Is there something like "Self”? Is there really something like "God" or it’s all a myth? Is there any fact in following the religious holy life that you get your salvation?So far, we have had no proof of it. Naturally, in this scientific world today you have to give the proof of everything to convince people so that they seek them Selves. But the science tells us that we were evolved from a little amoeba to a human being. Why? Why God took so much trouble? If you don’t believe in God you can say nature. Why nature worked so hard to create a human being out of a small little amoeba? Supposing we assemble some screws, and we try to work out something, a passer-by would ask, “Why? What are you going to make out of this instrument? What are you doing?”There must be some reason why we have become human beings after so much of evolution. But science doesn’t think of “why.” It just tells you, “This is.” And whatever is not there, it says, “We can’t explain.” The instrument, whatever it is, supposing has to work on electrical energy or on any energy whatsoever will come into force or will start working out when it is connected to the mains. Otherwise it is still in the making process or you can say it is in transition.Human being as such is in transition. It has not found its own meaning. He does not know why he exists, what is the purpose of his life. It’s a meaningless life. So, you have to be connected to the mains. That’s what everybody has been saying that you have to be reborn, you have to become that.Now, those who talked of this were born on the tenth storey. The rest of them are on this earth. When they talked it all went over their heads. You have to at least reach the first or second storey to understand that there is something beyond this human consciousness, this human awareness. There’s something more to this awareness. There’s a more opening. There’s a greater dimension which one has to achieve to understand your own meaning. About Kundalini all the scriptures, I must say, have described, all the scriptures without exception.Of course, in India there has been a very deep meditation tendency thousands of years back and some of the seers long time back found out about Kundalini, and even in [Dhirenja Sangita?] Kundalini is described. That’s as old, I should say, about Vedas. We cannot say the origin of these books. Kundalini has been described in them.Kundalini has been again and again described and also abused and misused and misrepresented. All sorts of things have been done about Kundalini. In the Bible Kundalini has been described in such a manner that it is not called as Kundalini, but they call it as “Tree of Fire,” “Tongues of Flames.” Many such adjectives, descriptions are used, but they have not used the word Kundalini itself because it is not written in Sanskrit language. So, there must be some mechanism within us by which we are reborn, no doubt. There has to be some mechanism.If I’m speaking through this mike to you, there must be some mechanism which is doing the job. In every seed there is a premule, the mechanism which germinates and creates a big tree out of it. In the same way we have a mechanism placed within us. But this is a very subtle thing while human beings are absolutely gross. In this Kali Yuga, modern times, they are even worse, extremely gross and they cannot think of something subtle.If I tell you there is an energy which thinks, organizes, loves, you cannot think of such an energy. But how do we organize? How do we think? How do we love? From where do we get that energy?Why shouldn’t we think about it? But as I said that modern man doesn’t think of “how,” he takes it for granted. So, today I want to tell you about this mechanism that exists within you. It should not be just a mental feat with you. No! It should not be the so-called knowledge of Kundalini from outside but it’s a happening where the Kundalini rises and you get that whatever is promised in all the scriptures.Today the time has come to prove the existence of the Divine Power of God all around us.We have been going and praying to God. Does He listen to us? Are we connected to Him? We do namaz, we spread our hands towards God Almighty, are we connected with Him or we are just doing a mechanical thing? Even so many people are doing Hatha Yoga. They think they are doing it in the name of God. Is it a correct method? Can we do anything about it?If it is a living process, if it is an evolutionary process, we must think we have done nothing for our own evolution so far. From amoeba to this stage we have come without doing anything about it. We have taken our human life for granted.So what can we do about it? If it is a living process, it has to be spontaneous, it has to work by itself, like a seed which is planted germinates by itself. At the most a gardener can pour little water.I can pour the water of My love on your seed – at the most but the seed has to germinate by itself spontaneously. It is a living process and not the mechanical process. Perhaps we never realize what is a living process because we take it for granted. You see so many flowers turning into fruits but we never think how it happens. We have no idea of spontaneity. We think by doing something we are being spontaneous.So one has to be effortless because Kundalini is born with you. 'Sahaja': 'born with you'. 'Saha' means 'with'. Born with you. 'Ja' means 'born'.So awakening is a happening which happens to you when somebody who is awakened, like an enlightened light or a candle, comes near other lights which are not yet enlightened and enlightens it spontaneously.Now you cannot argue it out, you cannot. You cannot rationalize it because rationality is a limited thing. You have to go to something that is unlimited. How can you do it with a limited mind? This is beyond mind you have to rise. If you argue it out, you are going to be away from it.But in science we have found out many things which indicate, which actually prepares the stage for Sahaja Yoga, which prepares us to know that there’s something beyond.We have accepted in the medical science that we have autonomous nervous system which works by itself. We call it 'auto': souayam [somatic-?], chyme. Who is this “auto”? Who is this “one”? The one who beats your heart, the one who digests your food? When we said that it is done by a system, you just give it a name. But how do you explain? You cannot do it. You may be able to increase the rate of your heart beat but you cannot decrease it. It happens spontaneously, automatically. How does it happen? By giving it a name you do not explain. In psychology people have found out that there is something like a universal Unconscious. There is that "sarvavyapi achetan" [all-pervasive action] which gives symbolic suggestions in the dreams which are universally the same. They’ve accepted this. They have proved it by experiments that there is a universal unconscious, so many of them. I shouldn’t say all of them because, you see, after all there will be always a controversy till you reach the truth. Human mind must have something to eat. But they have, they talk of it.Scientists cannot explain many things. There is another thing which science cannot explain is why certain things act differently in a human body. For example there are two chemicals known as adrenaline and acetylcholine. They have certain chemical reaction. But in the body they react differently. They cannot explain, they just say the mood of action of these chemicals in the human body cannot be explained. Finished. In the human body or in any body as such whichever is living, any foreign matter is thrown out. But when a mother conceives a child in the womb it is not thrown out, but it is nurtured and looked after. Who does that? Who understands that this is not a foreign matter, but is a future child? Is there somebody thinking inside your uterus or something that is controlling, who takes the decision? There must be someone or for [you], at least minimum of a human level who thinks for you?So already there are questions for scientists to ask and they all can be answered. Because the knowledge of science is analytical, is in different corners, it gives you part-knowledge. Now Kundalini can be seen, you can see it. The pulsation of the Kundalini you can see at least. Many doctors have seen it now. In Delhi of course we don’t have any doctors so far. I don’t know if among you there are any doctors. But you can see with your own eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini very clearly. If you have a stethoscope you can even feel it, the rising of the anahata, means the throbbing. It can be done.But how long are we going to sit asking for proof of a Kundalini? Let us now see.As I told you this morning you must accept this as the hypothesis. Modern times are the worst times for one reason that you have to explain everything which is a very simple thing as far as religion is concerned. As far as other things are concerned you don’t have to explain, people just accept. For example, if you have to put on this light I have to just tell you that you go and switch on. That’s all, nobody argues. But today in the morning I told somebody to put his hands towards Me like this, he started arguing on this point only, “Why should I do it?” Now I said, “I have to tell you the whole thing, why it is to be done?” Is a simple gesture he could not do. And he has come here for the Kundalini rising, you know, with all the rights on Me.You can’t even put your hands towards Me? Arguments have brought you nowhere. You must understand. This talking “bla, bla” has led you nowhere. What have you achieved in that?You think you have done this job, built this building you’ve done. It’s all dead, all dead things, dead converted into another dead. What living work have you done so far? What have you done so far that you can call as living? You cannot do even a seed sprout! The One who does millions and millions of such things, billions and billions of these seeds sprouted, when we have to know Him, at least let us have the humility to know that through your rationality and so-called intellect you are not going to know Him.A little drop wants to know the whole of the ocean! How can you explain to an ant the human civilization and the human problems, and how can you explain to a human being the working of the subtle, divine forces. God has been challenged by man. See the greatness! That’s why in all the scriptures it is written, “Humble down yourself in your heart.” That doesn’t mean that you give up your intellect, doesn’t mean at all, but you must have the balance of your heart also. So, with all these apologetic words and introduction, I am now telling you about the Kundalini, where It exists, because now don’t start from the very beginning doubting. Please keep your mind open. Later on when you get your realization through Sahaja Yoga, when you practice it … Now we have many here who have got it. And they have seen the working of the Kundalini and have confirmed what I’ve been saying about it. But to you it will be quite shocking. I know it will be because you cannot believe that such a thing can be inside us.Of course the mechanism has been simplified because this is just a, I should say, a primary class, the first standard. So, it has not been that complicated as it is. I’ll try to make it simpler and simpler. But you must know that it is a subtle thing which you have not seen yourself, you’ve not felt it, you’ve not known it so far. It’s something out of the blue for you and in this so called scientifically enlightened world it may sound quite foolish to you that I’m saying these things. But it is like this. Do not be fanatic about things. Even there are scientists who are real fanatics. Science is another obsession which has really killed their foresight. Can you see from here? Now, this is the picture.As they say man is made in the image of God. We can say now, let us see, 'Liver's Tone' means 'the Object of which you are the reflection'. So we’ll start from the top.When the child is in the womb of the mother, the energy which you do not know, the energy that is all pervading called as Chaitanya, is the divine power of love of God which is all around us. This sounds quite poetic only to people; [for] many people is just a poetry. But it is not, it’s a fact. Because we have never tried this power before, we only know the power of hatred.So this power of divine love of God which is all pervading, which is all around us, descends within us. Yes, it does in the human beings also, when the child is in the womb of the mother.The brain of the man is evolved in such a manner that it gets a shape of a prism, of a prism which has got three sides and a base. When this energy enters into the brain, then it passes into all the surfaces of the brain, and some passes through the center on top here. You can say not the center but the apex as shown here.At the back it passes through the brain straight into the medulla oblongata that is in the spinal chord and forms your central nervous system, as you call it as C.N.S.On the other side of the brain, left side of the brain, it comes down this way but when it has to pass through the brain it goes into the fraction because of different densities and then passes into the medulla oblongata loosing some of its resultant on the side into the spinal chord through the medulla oblongata.Another one which falls on the right hand side goes to the left hand side through the refraction. Again it looses some of its outside as a resultant, is divided into two, one going down, and one this way and goes down in the medulla oblongata.The one which falls on the apex of the brain passes through the center, and part of it, quite a part of it, escapes into the triangular bone as Kundalini.This is the arrangement made when you are born by God. I call it God because it is so. Of course, if there is God or not that we’ll see later on. That proof I have to give you but not just now.This happens in a very subtle manner because as I told you, is a subtle energy but is expressed in the gross way in our being as three autonomous nervous systems. The central one is known as the parasympathetic nervous system, is expressed as the parasympathetic nervous system. There are two sympathetic nervous systems, left and right.But in the subtle form – which Kabira has described, Kabira has described very clearly – in the subtle form the channels that are carrying those subtle energies are: in the center the channel is called as Sushumna Nadi, on the right hand side one channel it is called as the Pingala Nadi and the left hand side one is called as the Ida Nadi. These are the subtle things which are existing inside the medulla oblongata, not outside. So, you see, when the doctor opens the medulla oblongata the person dies.How can you see? How can you see a subtle form of energy through your eyes? You cannot see even your electricity through your eyes unless and until there is a lamp which is enlightened. So, you cannot see those energies which are at work inside in a subtle form but you can see the expression of it in the gross form outside.Now these three energies are like the breath which flows through a flute.The breath that flows through a flute passes through seven holes. In the same way there are seven chakras, basically, main. When we say seven holes, actually there are more. Basically I am saying. I will tell you about the other ones later on.Just now I am telling you the, absolutely, as I told you in the primary, first standard class. I am telling you the basic things.So these chakras, the centers that are placed within our being which are there, existing there and acting there, and which are in a subtle form are expressed outside as plexuses which doctors know. Is there any doctor in this room? All right. They are expressed as plexus and doctors know about the plexuses because they can see the plexuses outside.But what are the centers that are controlled them? I do not know if the medical science has gone that far to accept that there are centers inside the medulla oblongata which is controlling these centers. I don’t know. I have done medicine for the same reason because I had to talk to these doctors and scientists later on. So, I’ve done it. But at that time it was not so. Even in My nomenclature, you see, I’ll be using those old terminologies which I learned in My young age, and if there’s any difference you shouldn’t mind because it, you people are changing your nomenclature every now and then. So, these subtle centers that are placed inside the medulla oblongata act on the gross plexuses that are outside. Doctors will accept that much, I know. They won’t have an objection to that but little further they will not go. They cannot. They should not as doctors but as Sahaja Yogis they will. Once you have the experience and once you have found out, then why will you say, “No.”But one thing we must know that if there is no microscope how can you see something that is in a cell?? With these eyes you may not be able to see something. But supposing you get those eyes which are microscopic, and if you tell others, they are not going to believe because they must also get the microscopic eyes. This is a little problem of Sahaja Yoga that it has to happen to you, that you could see all these things what I’m talking about.Now, let us see what are these centers.Now when I describe them you need not get a fright. You need not accept. Again and again I’m trying to describe that.You see, with children, it is very difficult. You have to take them this way, that way. God knows where their mind will just slip out. You see they will find out some loophole somewhere and just disappear. So, I have to take your attention properly, so that you get the sap that you are here for, that you get what you have within yourself, you get your own powers so that you know your Self. So, I have to, you see, “child” to you and look after you and manage you very well, so that there is no problem.Don’t allow your attention to just capture you, your mind to take you away, you see, because your mind will be playing tricks with you. So be careful. Of course, you should not also get brainwashed by what I’m saying. You can judge Me very well whether whatever I’m saying is correct or not. Now, the lowest chakra. This chakra, this center which is a subtle, again I’m saying, it is a subtle center, is not a gross center, is a subtle center placed outside the human body and the subtle is not localized at a point.You see, it’s an energy outside the spinal chord in the prostrate gland, and is known. And now somebody might say that if the prostrate gland is removed then it exists still but it has…Supposing there’s a chair I’m sitting on it, I say, ”She’s sitting on the chair.” Now the chair is removed, I’m not removed. Or if the, they say that men have prostrate glands, so what about the women. You see, like that the questions can come up. So I’m saying it’s a living subtle center. So you don’t worry about their chairs. I’m just giving you a little location which may not be the same for everyone.And it acts on the pelvic plexus which we call as Mooladhara Chakra in the Sanskrit language, because that time there was no English language.That doesn’t mean that I’m preaching anything Hinduism or anything like that. All the saints, I will tell you. I will also tell you about Christ where He exists. I’ll also tell you about Mohammed Sahib where He exists, about all of them. So it is no question of one religion or anything. But these are different things which came in the evolutionary process of man, and all the evolution that took place in every human being is within himself, is recorded, and he’s standing on that. For example as you come up to first storey you should know that the whole first storey is there, second storey, it exists, third storey, it exists.In the same way all these storeys that you have climbed in your own evolutionary process are on these seven steps which I’m telling you.So, the first step is that of Mooladhara Chakra which is controlled by a deity, is a symbol. Same from the universal unconscious I’m telling is a symbol, and this symbol is that of Shri Ganesha.This is going to shock everyone. They are very few, they will have a photograph of Shri Ganesha, no doubt, but we’ll believe that this is a living symbol that exists within us on this point. It does. What is the proof and everything I will tell you. But first now, just now you see for yourself. Is Shri Ganesha.And then if I tell you the same Shri Ganesha which is a symbol here has incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. He is the symbol of eternal childhood, of holiness. And as you know that this center controls the sex also, this symbol suggests that in religion you must have innocence of Shri Ganesh. Those who say that sex can be sublimated, tantrikas who use sex for sublimation are the greatest sinners on this earth. Sex has to be sanctified and holy. If you do not have a sanctified and holy sex you cannot get your realization, I’m sorry. Those who talk of liberation at sex must realize this: they are ruining their Kundalini completely because Kundalini is like a mother, Gauri who is sitting inside them. And for Indians it is very easy to understand that you cannot have sex with your mother. Those who talk of exciting sex for Realization are the greatest sinners because this is the greatest sin. And those who excite their own ideas about sex by accepting all these licentious and permissive things about their sex which is the holiest of holy are killing their tabernacle. They are completely finishing off themselves. There is no saving for such people. Is going to be very, very hard for them.One has to work very hard for these people. And if you come to My London center they will tell you what happens, how difficult it is. One shudders to see how we have played foolishly with ourselves by experimentations. Will you experiment yourself with these electrical appliances? Let me see anybody who puts their hands into the oven to experiment! Without holiness you cannot talk of God. Take it from Me.You may not like it. No. Many won’t like it. Because their guru must sit down here and say, “Yes, yes, you must do.” You need a guru also for such a thing, imagine. Human beings as they are they keep a guru who says, “This is the greatest dharmic thing you must do.” Imagine. Tomorrow you have to face God remember, even if you do not get your Realization.Those who try these tricks are punished in this life time. They don’t have to take course to any other life or after death. In this life time, you have to have a sanctified holy married life.Marriage institutions according to human beings it is made by human beings. It is not. It is made by God. I’m not here to please you. I have to tell you the fact and the truth of life. One has to lead a very holy life. That is the essential part.And I’m very sorry for one thing that Christ who was the incarnation of that holiness, who is worshipped in those countries is being insulted completely by those people. He was a celibate person throughout and today they are making a picture on the sex life of Christ.In India is not possible. Thank God, here it is not possible. They dare not talk like this, shamelessly and vulgarly. There is no shame about it in those people. They have forgotten God.And that’s why when I talk of Shri Ganesha, you must know that you have to be like a child when you want to have the blessings of Kundalini because She’s your mother and She’s all the time following you. She’s born again and again within you and She’s watching you and She’s recording all that you have been doing.And who is doing the recording? In the heart you find there is the flicker of Spirit, of Atma which is the reflection of God Almighty. That is the Spirit which records because it witnesses. It’s a "sakshi", it’s a witness whatever you are doing in life. And is all recorded in the Kundalini, and at the time of Kundalini awakening She shows. Many people ask Me, “Mother, how do you know?” Because the Kundalini is My part, She tells Me all that. And I know about their problems because She tells Me. It’s all recorded like a tape recorder you have got the cassette, the spindle, it is there. And the Kundalini is in the form of Gauri who is a virgin just married to Shiva. It’s a symbolic expression, is a poetic expression that She’s sitting and having Her bath before meeting Her Lord. And Shiva is in the heart the Atma. And Ganesha She creates out of Her vibrations. On Her own being She takes out the mala as they call it, the dirt, and makes a Ganesha. Ganesha is created by Mother, as Christ was created by Mother Herself. And She places Him behind the bathroom, you can say, to safeguard Her lajja, you can say 'Her chastity'. So, He looks after Her protocol. Nobody can enter through that side, it is prohibited.Who can rise to the status of Shri Ganesha who is beyond all contamination, who is holiness personified? He’s like a lotus born out of the mud.We worship Ganesha in the house and we do all kinds of things with ourselves. We are not bothered about holiness, about keeping our dignity. How can He be pleased here? But Ganesha doesn’t come in the Kundalini rising because Kundalini is placed higher. Already She is placed higher in all of us. We are already sublimated. So, He’s the only one who sanctions. He’s in charge. Then you find a very white round center which is called as the Nabhi Chakra. Those who understand Hindi or Marathi or Sanskrit know what is Nabhi. Is the navel, you can call it the navel Chakra. Then the Nabhi Chakra is also called as Manipur Chakra in the Sanskrit language.But for our practical purposes name does not matter. Is the Nabhi Chakra we can say, everybody understand what is a nabhi. But it is not here in the nabhi, it is at the back, in the medulla oblongata it is placed.Now, this Nabhi Chakra or the Manipur Chakra is the center which controls the solar plexus in the human beings. This is the center, is the center of dharma, of religion. When I talk of religion, everybody will say, “Oh, Mataji believes in religion.” Now, you must understand what is the word 'dharma' means. 'Dharma' means 'Dharayati sa dharma', 'your sustenance'.Carbon has four valances. Every element has got a different property that is the dharma of every element. Every animal has got a certain quality, that is the dharma of an animal. Human beings also have some sustaining qualities. They are human beings. Otherwise they are pischachas or rakshasas or devils or satanic or they are sub-human.To be a human being minimum of minimum you must have those ten qualities, ten dharmas within yourself. If you do not have, you are not a human being. You become satanic. You become sub-human. Your awareness goes down, it’s lowered. These are above the ten commandments I should say, above because there are certain things which are not mentioned in them clearly, in the Bible. These are the ten basic qualities in a human being one should have, and if you do not have then there are problems.For example, we should not shock people – means drinking. People say, “What’s wrong in drinking, Mataji?” Simple thing, it goes against your awareness. See these drinks and all these alcohols they are not created for drinking at all. They were created by God no doubt, but for polishing. You see if you want to polish a diamond, you have to use gin. Gin is not meant for drinking, for human consumption. It is not meant. This is human brain, you know, is such a wonderful thing that it is using gin for their stomach which spoils their liver, gives them cancer. And you blame God for all these calamities of the world.Smoking, now of course, many are saying smoking causes cancer. Thank God. What is tobacco meant for? Is for insecticide, it’s an insecticide. I’m telling the truth. But 'you' use it for intoxication or what you call, I don’t know. Now when all the gurus, even Moses, they told about this. All the gurus have told. Incarnations have not but gurus have. I mean the real ones. I’m not saying these fake ones that are these days, modern days are just making a business proposition of everything. I’m not talking about them but the real ones, who are all born in this void – the void described by the Zen system of religion – all the ten gurus. We can say the same there again the ten gurus are incarnated, they tell us about the dharma.The center Nabhi Chakra is governed by the deity called as Vishnu and His power is Lakshmi. Now, if your Nabhi Chakra is caught whatever you may try you cannot get the blessings of Lakshmi. You cannot get. And even if you have lakshmi it will disappear. It’s a fact which can be proved. This Nabhi Chakra is controlled by a deity, Vishnu, which is the sustaining aspect of God. Vishnu gives the different dharmas to us. That’s how He has evolved us from amoeba to human beings. He Himself has incarnated as a leader many a times. We call it Dashavatara and He has led us through these incarnations.And His power is Lakshmi, is the Goddess of welfare they say, or you can call it is wealth. It is not. It’s a very subtle thing, very subtle. That’s a symbol one should understand because is concerned with us.Lakshmi has got a womanly figure, a mother’s figure. She doesn’t have an actresses figure, you see. They show of actresses and this beauty what you call 'beauty contests', are not good vibrations at all. They do not emit any vibrations. On the contrary they emit very dirty vibrations, I must say, very vulgar, very filthy.Lakshmi is a mother. She doesn’t use Her body for provocating expressions. No. She’s a mother. So, a lakshmipathi, a man who is supposed to be adorned by a lakshmi, a rich man, should have the personality of a mother, a one who is lajjasheela as we call it, who is chaste, who respects the chastity, who is loving, generous, affectionate like a mother. Mother tolerates all the nonsense of the people, of the children.Then in Her two hands She has two beautiful pink colored lotuses, two flowers of lotuses. The lotus expresses the Shri. 'Shri' means 'the grace'.If I say 'beauty', immediately your eyes will go to those beauty contests. I do not mean they are not beautiful. 'Beautiful' is not a word which these days means 'provocating'. No. Beauty means the complete personality that emits vibrations, which is a form or is the same as joy and ananda, that we call ananda, joy and also consciousness. That is a very complicated thing. So, I would just say that is the form that emits the vibrations of joy.In Her hands are two lotus flowers which are pink. Means such a person has to be a warm person, has to be a cozy personality, and his house should be as cozy. It should not be all polished and varnished. And if somebody comes in the house, he drops anything, flowers there, the woman starts getting angry or the man says, “Oh, you have dirtied my house. Will you please clean it.” Such a house is not a home.It has to be a home for all the people. Such a man is lakshmipathi. Otherwise morning till evening the fighting going on between husband and wife, “You didn’t keep the house clean. You must clean this and you must sweep that.” As if the cleanliness has become the main part of human life. I can understand a basic cleanliness should be there.For Indians we should not tell this because they lack that completely. They are the other extreme, "Raste me chalet chalet jaha deko thook dhena ka." Of course. But another extreme also is not good that all the time the divorces are taking place because of cleanliness so fussy that you can’t live together. You develop a sort of a mania or sort of … You become abnormal people. You suffer from the sickness of cleanliness morning till evening. Afraid, “This is to be done, otherwise it will be dirty.” You think ten steps forward march that the place should not be dirty. Of course it should not be dirty, is a simple thing. But it should not be that much worked out that the home becomes a hospital. Home is a home. Children must feel it’s a home. Let them play, let them spoil. In London you’ll be surprised my husband’s secretary told Me that, "My children were coming, that aren’t You worried?” I said, “Why?” She said, “Your house will be all spoiled.” I said, “What? My children are coming, My grand-children are coming, I’m looking forward for everything that I can do for them. How did it come into your head that My house will be spoiled?”It can be cleaned. You have so many ways of cleaning the house. So the house should be cozy and comfortable.And such a person who is rich is not a lakshmipathi. But a lakshmipathi is a rich person, he receives people with a big heart. So the coziness of the lotus should be in that lakshmi.In another hand, in the two other hands, one hand has this symbol like this, another is like this. This suggests that such a man must do "dhan" [altruism]. Now, in English I don’t know what is the word for 'dhana' because nothing is that dignified. 'Dhan' means 'giving alms'. But it is not dignified word. Gavin, what word will you say for 'dhan', tell Me in English? 'Charity' is also little bit, you see, 'to be charitable' means you see, you are higher than the person whom you charity. 'Offering' if you say then it’s a different meaning in. But, I would say 'dhan' means 'by which sharing is expressed', 'sharing'. 'Generosity', you think it’s nearest. All right. 'Generosity'. But 'generosity', you can say at the most 'generosity'. But 'giving your generosity' you can say. And by this is ashraya, means there should be people depending on such a person. So, you have to be an enlightened person, so that people should depend on you.A rich man has to be a dignified person. But normally it is not. A rich man first of all he will start dressing up like a teenager. He might be the age of sixty years. You find many like that. Immediately all his dignity is fallen off, as soon as [he becomes?]. Then he must go to races, he must take to drinks, he must be found on the street, some policeman must… and it must appear in the paper. Now, I’ve seen some also horrid things about women who are rich. I must say that this happened in England. But it’s funny, for you people it will be funny, but it’s common there. A ninety year old woman, rich woman, ninety year old rich woman having a love affair with a nineteen year old boy. She’s a rich woman, you see. I mean, I do not know what to call this stupidity.They aren't rich in India, God save. No enlightenment of any kind they have. If they had there would have been no problems at all. So, this is a symbol of Lakshmi at this stage. The sustaining power is the Lakshmi. The sustenance, what should be the dharma and all that. Now I find if I discuss it will be too much. But I told you for example drinking goes against the dharma of life. It goes against the dharma of man because it goes against the awareness of man. If you loose your awareness how are you going to rise to a higher awareness?Now, people know by drinking these things happen but they will say, “What does it matter, Mataji, if we drink a little bit for our society?” And what does it matter if I take a little poison? You’ll get used to it. Gradually you’ll start taking poison.There are so many people, in this country specially, if they take a little of tobacco they feel giddy and fall on the ground, this tobacco. There must be some in you also. They cannot even look at tobacco. There must be some. But there are some who can take tons, tons inside their being. How is it? Both are human beings.So, by little and little, those countries who have accepted this as a social thing have done the greatest harm to themselves. Because in the beginning they were taking only little, little.That was I should say about 100 years back, you can say about 200 years back. But today if you go and see them, they are alcoholic. They can’t live without. So the pioneers were the little ones and the sufferers are those now who are fed up with alcohols. Because they think it doesn’t mean intoxicate, so they have taken to drugs also. And they think it is another experiment.So you have more police force, you do all kinds of things to control it. It’s not possible. Mohamed Sahib has clearly said, “No intoxications. Nothing, nothing at all." Nanak has said the same. They are both the same people you’ll be surprised. Same people born at different times, same people teaching the same thing. Nanak said the same thing, “No smoking, nothing.”But today there are no Sikhs. In the morning they were, Sikhs are fighting in London that, “We should not wear the helmet.” Imagine. Where is it written? In which book Nanak Sahib has written this, "I would like to see, that helmet." On the contrary He said, “Vesh ka kya payda ka”, "What is the use of changing your dress?" And they are fighting on this point.But the way the Sikhs drink in London, I mean the British are ashamed. I mean they think they are no good compared to Sikhs, the way they can consume. And they are fighting in the name of religion. Is a fact I’m telling you that the helmet they cannot wear because they must have a right and freedom to crack their heads on a scooter. What is this? And there is a big procession every, I think every Sunday they take it out “against protecting.” My head off to all these people. That is what they have done out of Nanak Sahib. And the Muslims, think of them, they have written poetry on drinking.Now, if I say you don’t have to drink, they will think this lady is talking some of about ten thousand years back. But is a fact I’m telling you, it is not meant for human consumption at all, none of these. Now they might say that Christ was drinking wine. Now, 'wine' never means 'alcohol'. I mean grape juice which is fresh, which is unfermented is different. But the fermented, even molasses, anything you can ferment, it becomes an alcohol, which is satanic. Is a process only to be used for polishing things. You are drinking the polish and all your intestines all are polished off nicely. And your liver is ruined. And then you come to Mataji, “Mataji, our liver is ruined. Now what to do? How to cure it?”Now, if I tell you, “Don’t drink. It’s very bad.” But these days there are gurus like that you know, they say, “You drink. Do whatever you like. Only thing, give your purse please behind me. You can do whatever thing, can even smuggle", you see. There was a guru who was teaching smuggling, actually smuggling to people. And all the Sehasas [Sikhs] were caught in Jakarta when they were smuggling. They lost billions and billions of dollars there. And when I went to Singapore they came to Me, “This has happened.” I said, “Now where is your guru?” “She has gone to Switzerland.” I said, “Very nice.”He said, “You do whatever you like. Bring the purse here, that’s all. If you cannot look after your wife and children leave them here also. You sacrifice everything in the name of God and give everything to me, very nicely. You sacrifice."They are many who will support it. They are not gurus. If I tell you they are rakshasas, they are demons. Otherwise nobody can do like this. These are demonic things. They are not afraid of anything. They have no conscience. Those who have no conscience are devils, are devils. They are not afraid of God and they are doing everything in the name of God. Tomorrow they have to face God. No doubt.But you will have to also face. And when God will ask you, “What have you been doing?,” then you’ll find that you have no answer. You’ll say, “I have kept a guru there. I was paying money to him. I was looking after him. He did this much.” He says, “What about your Kundalini? What about your awakening? What about your Realization?” You say, “That I don’t know. I have kept one guru, you see, and I was paying him.” He said, “All right, where the guru has gone, you also go there.” And you’ll find the guru settled down very nicely among the worms in the hell, in the deepest forest of hell. Take it from Me.There is no need even for these people to die. They will face it in this life time. All such people have faced. You have seen what has been the condition of gurus. So this is the center part of void which has to look after. And another center that you find there is the center known as Swadishthan Chakra which creates, which is a creative power within us. By this center we think, we plan, and also our bodies cater to.Now, other day only I discovered that doctors do not know what is the reason for diabetes. I’m surprised. I’ll tell them. You can verify. It’s very easy.This is the center which does two things: it thinks, plans.You know in Delhi everybody’s Swadishtan Chakra is caught. Why? Because too much of planning is going on here. Everybody’s planning like mad. But there has to be certain balance between your thinking and between your emotions. You must have also a little balance. I don’t know whether doctors think of the balance of the emotions with this. They do not. So the diabetes is caused because of this imbalance.You are all the time using this center for too much thinking, too much planning. But the same center looks after the upper part of the liver, spleen, kidneys, and also the uterus, and also the thinking. So if you are thinking too much you are using the energy on one side, and there is no way of filling the petrol back. Then what happens that your spleen suffers. It doesn’t get the energy, and you get the disease known as diabetes which is only known to the people who think too much. Is not known to the poor people. They eat such a lot of sugar. They don’t have to stop sugar. They eat such a lot of carbohydrates and such a lot of sugar, especially sugar but they do not get diabetes because they do not think too much.Now thinking has become like a disease with people. They cannot stop it also. It goes like a horn in their head I tell you. All the time thinking, thinking, thinking, they go mad and they say, “How to stop it?”It can only be stopped when the Kundalini rises above this: you go beyond thought. And the thinking creates within us on the left-hand side of the brain through the Pingala Nadi, through the right side channel, it creates the ego. Is the ego. All thinking is done through ego. Those which are developed countries have worked out their developing through their ego.So, the ego developed so much in that country that they got fed up of it. So what has happened? As a reaction the other side of it started growing. The younger people there started taking to drugs, taking to sedatives, which created in them the superego. The ego gave … Douglas is laughing. Is a fact. He knows. He’s done it and he has crossed it, and he has overcome it and he has won it. So he’s laughing.And the superego has risen now to push back the ego. For a Westerner always they say, “Oh. I’m so bad. I’m no good. I’m good for nothing.” Is not humility, is the superego. Is the superego that is acting. While in India the ego is rising.Be careful. You have to be in balance with ego and superego. If it is in the center then only I can raise the Kundalini. If there is an imbalance, I have to remove the imbalance. And it is removed. The center known as the Swadishthan Chakra, which also controls the aortic plexus outside, is governed by a deity which we know very well, is Brahmadeva and His power is Saraswati.He has incarnated only once on this earth and you’ll be surprised if I tell you who was that – is Hazrat Ali. He was the son-in-law of Mohammed Sahib. Mohammed Sahib is the incarnation of the primordial master or the Adi Guru who incarnated in the Void, in the Bhavasagara. And He’s the same as Nanak. But if I tell this to Muslims, they’ll kill Me, or the Sikhs will kill Me. One of the two. I don’t know who will come first. I don’t think this time they are going to crucify but they are not going to like it.They are the same people. There are ten of them born like that. They are the same people born again and again. And they are the people, if you accept them, in only one incarnation. They are not going to accept it. You have to accept them in all their incarnations.I’ll give an example. There was a doctor who was suffering from the cancer of stomach, Muslim. He met Me in London and when I told him that, "You have to worship Dattatreya", he got a shock of his life. He said, “You mean to say I must give up my religion?” I said, “Your religion is in imbalance. He was the same as Mohammed Sahib. Actually Dattatreya incarnated as Mohammed Sahib." He said, “I cannot do that. I only believe in Mohammed Sahib.” I said, “All right, I cannot cure your cancer because cancer is because of imbalance. It’s too much activity on one side.”Over-activity of the sympathetic nervous system causes cancer. You write it down today and you can verify it. And that’s why when people say I’ve cured cancer, I have. No doubt. Not only Me but even this doctor who is here he has cured cancer.Cancer is only curable through the balance of Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise it’s not possible. Take it from Me.So the imbalance of this man, he would not listen but cancer is a great thing that way. He had to come back, “All right Mother, I accept.” I said, “All right. Now will you pray to Dattatreya?”A Muslim has to become a Hindu and a Hindu has to become a Muslim. A Sikh has to become a Muslim and a Muslim has to become a Sikh.How can you divide God into so many ways? This division is like the atom being split. You are splitting. You are finding all ways and methods of splitting each other. And what you are gathering is the volcanic force of destruction within yourself. So, the so-called drunkards who call themselves Muslims and the so-called drunkards the Sikhs must know that they are very far away from the gurus whom they worship as their leader. And as Christ said, “You’ll be calling Me ‘Christ, Christ’ and I won’t recognize who you are”, it’s going to be that.For cancer you have to have balance of understanding the complete integrated form of God which has come on this earth, incarnated as different flowers on the same one tree of life, which has been at different levels. Like in a tree you have sometimes, first you have leaves, then you have the flowers, then you have the fruits.But these are the flowers of the same tree, have been taken away by different people, just to create problem of dead flowers. They are living on the same living tree of life. So, I have told you already about one chakra that is Mooladhara Chakra, the Mooladhara where the Kundalini resides.Then about the Nabhi Chakra from where it rises to Swadishtana Chakra which moves round and round and creates the Bhavasagra.I’ve also told you about the Spirit, the flicker of light that exists in the Heart, which is looked after by Shiva.The flicker of light which is the Sakshi, which is the Witness, it is like a flicker that you find in a gas light. Now the gas itself is not enlightened. The gas itself is the energy but is not enlightened. The flicker is enlightened. When the gas passes over to the flicker it also gets enlightened. That is what is Sahaja Yoga is. That is what is the Kundalini awakening when it touches that flicker. But the flicker has got the seat on top of the head here, which is known as the seat of the Sadashiva.And this is the form or aspect of God which is existence is. God Shiva is existence. And this is the first form which emerges into all these forms, like the seed emerges into the whole tree and becomes the seed, and ultimately at the dissolution point also, it becomes Shiva. That is why it is known as Shiva, means the permanent form. It doesn’t go into any formations. It doesn’t incarnate. It is a witness which watches. That’s the aspect of God. So, you have got three aspects of God. The first one which is the Shiva, which is the existence, the second one which is the creator, which is Brahmadeva and the third one which is Vishnu, which is the sustenance, which evolves, which gives evolutionary movement, which incarnates, which has incarnated ten times. Now the chakra above that, you see, in the center, which we call as Sacred Heart, is in the center, is known as the cardiac center, you can say “Hridaya Chakra.” You all know what is Hridaya, Hridaya Chakra, is placed here, behind, in the medulla oblongata, but outside also is the cardiac plexus. Now this center, the cardiac center, is governed by the deity Jagadamba, the Mother of the Universe. Parvati, wife of Shiva, the power of Shiva takes Her place here, to help these struggling evolutionary human beings who are trying to evolve themselves, to protect them from the satanic, from the demonic forces. She’s known as Lalita. She’s known by many names. They say She has been incarnated 108 times. She has been incarnated many a times. She has incarnated as an Amsha [from Amshavatarana, partial incarnation] also, as a part of Her has also being incarnated. She is the essence of raksha, is the protection. A person who suffers from insecurity gets this throbbing here, he gets disturbed. People who suffer from fear have this problem here. She gives us the protection. She’s the protector. And She’s the Mother of this world, Jagadamba. On the right-hand side of the heart exists, left-hand side I’ve already told you, right-hand side exist the symbol of Shri Rama, and His power is Sita. Shri Rama at an evolutionary stage, came as a leader on this earth, as an incarnation of Vishnu, 8th incarnation. And He tried to show the political leadership of a divine nature. He incarnated on this earth twelve thousand years back. And at that time in the whole awareness of human beings the idea of a leader, as a political leader, was born. He’s responsible for creating the political awakening within us, twelve thousand years back, in the human awareness. His power was Sita, His wife, who was a very simple woman. But She was the form of Adi Shakti. We know She was because at that time the people were very sensitive, they could see that. These days people are not. They cannot make out a Ravana from Sita. See that is what is the condition of our sensitivity. This is the central force, is known as the force of Mahalakshmi. So, the Lakshmi is born as Sita for the first time as a human being. On the left-hand side force is known as the force of Mahakali. [Shri Mataji talks to an Indian lady] So, the left-hand side power is known as Mahakali’s power, and the right-hand side known as the Mahasaraswati’s power. Now, the central power is for evolution. The central power, or you can say the central ascending column is meant for the evolution of man. So you are born all of us in the Bhavasagara state. Now you have to ascend from one to another, to another, to another. The higher one than that is as I told you, on the right-hand side is that of Shri Rama and His power is Sita. The complete form of Vishnu came to human beings six thousand years back as Shri Krishna. That is at this chakra known as Vishuddhi Chakra.Shri Krishna is the complete form. Why we say the complete? Because for Him the whole play, the whole leela was to be just seen, this whole creation was nothing but just a play created.He had reached that state, and He talked of it. He said, “Nainam Chianti shastrani, nainam dahati pavaka”, “You cannot be killed by any instrument or by anything.” And He did samhara. His greatest quality was that He killed a many demons on this earth.Now those who talk of non-violence will say, “Oh, He was a violent man.” There is a divine method which has to be employed to kill those demons. That was needed and He did kill.He was the incarnation of a diplomat. What is a diplomat? Diplomat is a person who is a sakshi, who is a witness who plays the divine diplomacy. He played the divine diplomacy, and you are still in that diplomacy when you read Gita, very much.I’ll tell you in two sentences how to understand His diplomacy in Gita, very necessary.He said in the very beginning, at the very outset that you seek in within yourself. He told Arjuna, “You seek in within yourself. You have to become a sakshi.” Arjuna being a mediocre, asked Him a question that, “You are saying that, 'You must seek in within yourself, you should become a sakshi, a witness' and here you are telling me to go on the war, to kill people, kill my own brothers, kill my own relation!” What He wanted to say that it’s all a play. But it only becomes a play when you become that witness, when you are Realized.That’s what He told him. But Arjuna was a mediocre in this respect. So He being a Father, He understood. Like a father who comes out of his hut and see his son beating the cart, so he tells him, “You bring the horse in front of the cart then only the cart will going to move on.” But the child, the son, doesn’t want to listen to his father. He says, “No, I am going to beat the cart.”So, He plays the diplomacy, the Father. The Mother does not. Mother tells you the fact. So, He played the diplomacy there, divine diplomacy. He says, “All right you go on beating but keep your attention on the horse and you will go forward.” That’s an absurd, absurd thing. It cannot happen, you know. He told something absurd. So, He says, “All right, do your karmas but put it at the feet of the Lord.” You cannot do it. It cannot be done. This is something an impossibility because there is the ego in you. If you do any work and if you think, “Oh, I’m putting everything at the feet of the Lord,” you are just deceiving yourself. This is His diplomacy He played it here. You cannot. Those who believe in such a thing should know that it’s a deception. It can only happen when you become a hollow personality. For these people now, those who are Realized, you will see them saying, “It’s going, it’s coming.” They do not say that, “I’m giving, I’m doing.” You have to become a hollow thing like this which just stands and sees and passes through it. The Divine has to flow through you. And about bhakti, about the devotion, dedication, is another diplomacy. You see, His words, you see, nobody sees I’m surprised. They have written five hundred books on Gita. Nobody has seen this simple point that He has played a diplomacy with you because you do not know that you are not beyond ego yet. You have to go beyond it to be there.(End Part 1) So, He says about bhakti also, “Pushpam, palam toyam”, “Whatever you give Me, flower, this, I will accept but while giving,” – you know, see the diplomacy, one word He plays – “in devotion you must do Ananya Bhakti.” See the word 'ananya'. 'Ananya' means 'when you are not the other, when you are united, when you are one with it'. When you become one? When you are realized!Everybody will say, “Oh, yes, yes you must do bhakti, take Krishna’s name, ‘Hare Rama, Hare Krishna', develop a cancer of the throat." Yes, they do, all of them, I tell you. So many have come to Me for treatment and I said, “Now what am I to tell them?" Because "Hare Rama, Hare Krishna", you’ll get to God? Very easy method, you know. You go on jumping on the Oxford Street, you dance, wear a dhoti which is falling off, you get to God? (Mother is laughing.) What a stupid idea. But there are many.They are now begging in [Gantura?]. I went there. They’ve settled down nicely, “Hare Rama, Hare Krishna. Everybody, they came to Me, “Are You an Indian?” “Yes,” I said, “by chance I am.” “Will you buy this book? Only give me five annas.” It’s all right. I will not mind five annas. I said, “Thank you very much.”And they are near God? Begging like poor people, they have no shame, in the name of God. Taking His name and begging! 'You have to do Ananya Bhakti' means you have to be a Realized soul.Now how do you know a person is a Realized bhakti or not?Very easy. A person who speaks of separation, like Surdas, he was not a Realized soul. Those who talk of their tortures, “Oh, God, when are You going to meet me?” they are not realized souls. But those like Kabir and Nanak, like Christ. Christ was an incarnation. But those who talk and sing the praise of meeting are the people who are realized. I mean a person who has met God why should he talk of separation? Very simple thing.But we like the songs of the people who talk of their – you see, I don’t know what you call that – who killed himself, who started calling himself, “Oh Lord, Oh Lord when are you going to meet me?”, broke his neck there, he broke his head there. What is the need to do all this? They are fasting. Why are you fasting? I don’t understand. Why do you want to make your body weak? In this body, the Lord is going to come, and this body is fasting? If fasting people have to get God, at least thirty percent people of this country should get it automatically. They are made to fast.Some Yogi: [Hindi]Shri Mataji: Hum? Dakare?Sahaja Yogis: About women?Shri Mataji: Women? “Santoshi Ma” fast? Any fast, you know, they’ve gone to such an absurd limit. And these Brahmins I will put them responsible. They have given all wrong ideas, absolutely just opposition. How? On a Sankashti, the day when Shri Ganesh is born in the family, see, imagine, that day you must fast! Imagine the argument behind it. That day! You see, supposing somebody is born in your family. I mean you celebrate it, you are so happy. [Us din kush raho, shok rehana chayiye?] Supposing I come to your house and you are fasting. I run away the next moment. [Shir Mataji is laughing]You see, if you write, “Today we are fasting,” nobody’s going to come to your house.If you have to share in fasting, you can do, like “karva chauth”, they share in fasting. You should fast on only one day, definitely you must. That is Naraka Chaturdeshi. That day they will eat. Because that day Narakasura was killed and he was put in the “Naraka”, means the Hell. He was put down there. And the gates of the Hell were opened for him, and all such people are put on that day into the Hell. So, that day you should not get up early in the morning, sleep in your bed.Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear about calendar]Shri Mataji: See, with the calendar I don’t know who has made.Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear]Shri Mataji: You see, but we must use our brains. What is Naraka Chaturdeshi meant? Actually, these must be some rakshasas, must be some devils who must have created these calendars for us, some of them. That you must fast. I don’t know who has written such a nonsensical thing! The day when the gates of the Narakas are opened that day, they will get up at four’o clock, take their baths and nicely eat. All the rakshasas will be going with the food inside the stomach, in the Nabhi Chakra.The picture has come of- the picture has appeared of some Santoshi Ma [since 1960, so-called goddess worshiped by fasting]: everybody fasting on Friday. Then the absurd ideas about “eating food that makes a difference”. Also, this has been introduced. In Gita also I’m sure there are so many things which have been brought which are wrong. To say that you are born a Brahmin and that it’s post-natal or pre-natal as they call it, prenatal. And how can that be? You just think it over. Use your brains. I would say you use your brains. Vyasa, the author of Gita, author of Gita, Vyasa, whose son was he, do you know? He was a son of a fisher woman, illegitimate son. You know all of you, of Parashurmuni. And he’s going to write that you have to be born as a brahmin? Those who think that by being born as brahmins you become brahmins, I must say are sadly mistaken. Brahmin means a person who is reborn, who is a Realized soul, who has known the Brahma. It describes a tendency of a person who is seeking God, is the brahmin cast [unclear], is a tendency. How can Vyasa write like this, you just tell me? How can Vyasa write like this? Now, this is being put on to his head, just pinned on to him. Like the tantrikas. Oh, God. They are the worst of all. They have spoiled all our scriptures, they’ve spoiled all our shilpa shastras, they have spoiled everything dearly. The greatest demons that could be born in this country were the tantrikas. They have ruined all the beauties of our scriptures. Even our aswameda yagna they connected with sex. I mean there's a limit to things! And that’s why when the people go to Konarak they think, “Oh, Konarak! Most enchanting place in the whole country. Nothing more better than that.” They think, "This Khajuraho!" Actually that’s the only aspect which has spoiled all the beauty of that place. If they didn’t have that it would have been much better. Konarak, of course, the architect himself was a tantrika. So, I cannot say anything about such a horrid fellow he was. But here the poor architects were given prizes by these licentious and permissive kings to produce the new styles and new types of these horrible erotic pictures. There was a competition held and it entered into our shilpa shastras, into our sculptures.It has gone up to the South. And you’ll be amazed in the South there’s a temple where they have shown a bad relationship between Gauri and Ganesha. Can you believe it? And are we to accept it because it was done by some foolish ancestors of ours? And everybody says, “Why? It’s all right. In your country also, you see, you have these things. We have seen it, very nice.”And they have written books on kama shastra, koka shastra, this, that. What is the shastra needed for this thing? I don’t understand. Do the animals read any shastras for creating children? For a simple thing like that why do you have to read and make so much deliberations? Are you gone mad?All these artificial things I don’t understand. For a natural thing, which everyone knows, why should they go into such things?And the result, I’m sorry to say, is seventy per cent impotency today in America. Because all artificiality, the spontaneity is lost, the sanctity is lost. All kinds of diseases, every third person is diseased, every third person. You also are following them.After all the sahabs have gone, but now we are all becoming all sahabs. The sahabs have come from England wearing our kurta pyjamas and our sahabs are wearing ties. (Mother is laughing.) Because, you see, somebody told Me that we used to think,” Where are our lords lost.” They are in India, "Unse kuch sikne ka nahin hai. Aap jaan lejeye. Unse kuch jan-ne ka nahin hai."Of course dress doesn’t matter. Whatever you wear it makes no difference. But main thing is that to know yourself, to be yourself. Is a very, very subtle happening for this God has placed all these chakras within us.So, the outside does not matter so much, no doubt. But in a way it does, in the sense that when there is a deeper light, you have to have the earthen pot all right, you have to have the proper amount of oil in it, you have to have a wick properly put up, and then only you can enlighten. If these three things are not all right, then I cannot enlighten you. So these three things are also important. So, your dharma has to be all right. Of course, I’m not saying that if you are drinking you cannot get realization. You can. And you can also get the power to get over your habits in no time, because once you get realized, you get intoxicated by your Self only, by your own powers. You can feel in your hand the power flowing like vibrations, cool vibrations. If you use them then you will know that you can cure people with these. After some time you can give awakening of the Kundalini. When you will raise your hand the Kundalini will move in another person.There are many now. You have got Subramanyam here. He has cured. Gavin, he’s a government servant just like you, he has given awakening to so many people, he has given realization to so many people. You can also do it. The power exists within you which becomes intelligible or conscious in your central nervous system also, and you can feel it flowing. You can work it out. Now, you will know why people have described in the Kundalini awakening this thing happens, that thing happens. If you go from the wrong side, it is going to happen.You have to be an authorized person. Tomorrow you put your hand in an electrical appliance and you said, “There is so many problem.” You should not do it. Only the engineer can do it, the authorized person can do it. This is all unauthorized. The first and foremost thing is that such a person has to be a realized person, and not only realized, but has to be a holy person.Three, four air hostesses are friends of such and such person, and he is giving Kundalini awakening. He’s eloped with his wife, he is smuggling that side, he is smuggling gold from London, he’s bringing down by air, and he is giving Kundalini rising.There should be some sense in what people talk. This is a very holy happening, has to happen in the holiest way. Now, there is another chakra here, where is My, this red spot is. We all put it here but we do not know why we put it there.This is the center which is placed where the crossing of the optic nerves takes place. You can call it the optic thalamus at that point, at that point it is placed. And this center controls the pituitary and pineal glands, which control, pituitary controls the ego and the pineal controls the superego.For a doctor he knows about the pineal and the pituitary but he does not go further than that to know that it controls your ego and superego. Even if he knows, he does not know how to control. Now, with Sahaja Yoga, you can see that they are two balloons in your head. You can see them. It starts from the Vishuddhi Chakra here, petal, where Shri Krishna reigns, whose power is Radha. And they rise in our head and move like this. There are two balloons which cover up our head completely about the age of 12 years or so, completely. Calcification is complete at that time though to feeling it is earlier. And that’s how you develop a separate personality. You are Mr. so and so, he’s Mr. so and so. Is the articulation. Iit is like a shell of a egg you are made. You are made like that because you have to grow inside, inside the shell of your own being. You are a separate… (Apart)You are a shell. You are a shell, he is a shell. And you are given the warmth kept there developed. In the end the egg is broken here, and through it comes out a new personality, a new person within which is a very different person from the one which was before. This is Sahaja Yoga. So, that center which is here placed at the crossing point of the optic nerves is known as the Agnya Chakra, and the deity placed there is Mahavishnu.I don’t know how far people have read about Devi or Devi Mahatmya or Markandeya or even Adi Shankaracharya. Now, Mahavishnu is a creation of Radhaji, is the son of Radha. She had created Him out of Shri Ganesha’s essence and in a special way. And this child was created in the Vaikuntha stage, in the heaven we can say, and He incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ was not a human being. He took a form but His body was completely chaitanya. He’s a complete, His body also was completely divine, specially created by His Mother who was Mary. But actually She was Radha Herself. Sita be-came Radha and then She became Christ’s Mother. She is Adi Shakti. Mary is not an ordinary woman, She is Radha Herself. And if you read about Mahavishnu’s birth you will know that exactly the same is Christ. The name is Mahavishnu and here it is Christ.Now, Jesus Christ see.Jesus, Jesu or Yeshu, this is the name of Yeshoda, was given by Radha to Her son. We say Jesu or Yeshu. And 'Christ' is His surname.Krishna’s name came from the word 'krishi'. 'Krishi' means 'agriculture', is the man who has sown the seed. Krishna came and He has sown the seed of that awareness by which you can become the sakshi of this play, the witness of this play. And Christ’s name is 'krist', is the same as Krishna’s name. When He talks of His father, He talks of Shri Krishna. Shri Krishna was His father. Then He describes Him, all the time of His father, it is Shri Krishna. And in the Vaikuntha state it is described very clearly how Shri Krishna Himself came to bless Him and told Him that, “You will be placed even higher than Me because Your body will be made out of chaitanya.”What is the English word for 'chaitanya'? Of consciousness? But consciousness cannot be chaitanya. Divine awareness. Of the divine awareness, you can say. The divine awareness itself, the divine vibrations are shown in us. In the same way, He’s made out of that like Shri Ganesha is. Now if He’s so or not, because most of you are Indians here, you might challenge it. You may. I can prove it to you because is the same swastika. The ayurdas or the weapons of Shri Ganesha have become "avyakt", are not expressed, because He used one weapon for all of them, is of forgiveness. And that is the greatest weapon of all, and that’s why at this stage when the Kundalini goes, you have to take His name or you have to forgive people. Forgiveness is the greatest weapon that God has given us. Now, it is for you to verify whether I say is correct or not. But crucifixion is not the message.Crucifixion is the explanation of what Krishna preached that the chaitanya, the divine awareness does not vanish, does not. It is akshaya, it does not get killed. You cannot control it. And this was to be proved in His life through His resurrection. The resurrection is the message of Christ. But as in India you have done all the mess of all these incarnations, they have done the mess of Christ in two ways. One, by not respecting the celibacy of life. He was a celibate person. He was a holy person. Of course He respected the marriage institution because He attended the marriage. You have crucified Him again. And secondly which is His power of forgiveness, complete power of forgiveness.But they had empires. They now want to have the economic controlling power and all kinds of these things they are doing under the name of political, I don’t know what they call it.They have to be Christians, all that was against Him is now done today.As we Indians have done all that what was against Hinduism. When Shankaracharya himself has told, “Na Yogena Sankena", still we are having Hatha Yoga. Now we are going to have Hatha Yoga in the college. Patanjal Shastra, himself Patanjali has said not to have Hatha Yoga for the married people, for the householders. It is meant for very few who go to the jungles, stay with their gurus. Every tikalpa, every person is having here Hatha Yoga.Now, this boy today he was suffering because of Hatha Yoga. Of course, I’ve stopped it. But still. You’ll have heart troubles, you’ll have everything. Now you teach your students here in the … And let them to have sex also. In the West very nice, Hatha Yoga is very good because everybody wants to become an actress. Hatha Yoga is not meant for us, for the householders. It is meant for these standing-on-the-heads type. Let them go and break their necks there. One will get after thousands of years. It has been said by many, those who are realized. Now, I know them. They are sitting on the hills. They have told My disciples also that, “We have taken thousands of years to get this and Mataji is just giving you like that.” It is!In the same way so called Christians have done all that was necessary to kill the image of Christ. It’s rather surprising but I think the opposites are attracted. The drunkards will become the disciples of Mohamed Sahib, all the licentious will become the disciples of Christ and all the, that we call in Sanskrit 'Dravidic Pranay Pranayn', will become the Hindus. That’s how it is. Just the opposite. The last is the center of Sahasrara with one thousand petals, is the limbic area which is surrounded by one thousand petals of [inaudible].In the Bible it is said, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” It is like tongues of flames, living tongues of blue flames and white flames and crystal flames, and they are very silent flames. You can see that. Some of you have seen it. And they are like the - they act on our nerves.Now the doctors will argue that there are 982 nerves. Yes, there was argument on that also, 982 nerves, and eight motor nerves and these nerves, and all of them do not become one thousand. I mean that’s not the thing. I’ve not counted them. One thousand they are, no doubt.So, these one thousand petals are the one thousand hands, imagine, in your brain. And this is the Kingdom of God inside which is the limbic area.When ‘you’ cross this door of Agnya, you enter into that and this is ruled by the Adi Shakti, by the Primordial Mother, and She opens it out. She does it, it is Her job. At the end of it, is the gate or the hole known as the Brahmarandra on top here which presses the ego and the superego on both the sides and takes your attention into that all pervading Power which is all pervading.When the Kundalini crosses the Agnya, you become thoughtlessly aware. Thoughtlessly aware means you are aware but there is no thought, you become silent. When It crosses the Brahmarandra then the vibrations start flowing through you and you get cool vibrations.This morning about five, six people got it. Of course, we have many here who are Realized people. All these people who have come from the West are Realized people. And they have experimented and they know all about it. And there are many others who have come from Bombay and those from Delhi also, we have many who are Realized, who have those vibrations flowing through them. It happens. It has to happen to you all. You all should get it.Then what happens? By that you become collectively conscious. I said, “You become.” I did not say that, “You have to become.” You become. You get that awareness. Immediately you start feeling the vibrations of other people.That little girl, Pragnya, who came here, she’s a born Realized. There are many children who are born Realized. My two grand-children in Bombay, they are grand-daughters, and they are both Self-realized. The younger one is hardly ten months and she knows all about Kundalini. You ask her, “What is caught?” You see, you can feel it on the fingers. Now, there’s a book which one of My disciples has written – I should say My son or My child has written – it’s in Marathi. So far Hindi? [Mai nahin huya aaj tak-?]. No, nothing has been done in Hindi. English also they have published one of My lectures. But, in this Marathi book we have given the indications on what things you can feel the chakras. You can feel the centers which are caught in your fingers here and you can see. And that’s how as a by-product you cure people, that’s how the diagnosis comes through and you can feel it. It’s tomorrow morning we are going to have meditation starting exactly at 8.30. I would request you tonight to go sleep off. Early in the morning clean yourself and come here at 8.30 so that we finish the session for you to go to your work. 8.30 early in the morning you have to come here, and then the Kundalini rising and everything can be done. Because people are more interested in the lecture, what am I to do? So, I’m not doing any awakening today because it’s already very late for you. Now if some of you want to have it, I can work it out.(Short dialogue with Sahaja Yogis.) Word 'Realization' means 'when you separate your Self from your gross awareness and become the subtle being', is the realization. That’s the beginning. In that first stage, I’m going to tell you tomorrow evening all about it, how in different three stages it works out. The first stage is of nirvichar where you become thoughtlessly aware and collectively conscious through your vibrations.Then in the second stage you become nirvikalpa in which you start giving realization to others.And the third stage is a complete Self-realization where you become completely the master of Kundalini of others and your own, and you can work it out and also sitting down here you can feel the Kundalini of all the people all over the world, and also you can control many elements and events.

About the different Chakras and their Deities. Delhi, (India), 22 February 1977. … that the source of joy is within your Self. Unless and until you seek your Self you cannot seek God.They have all talked about the second birth. What we call the baptism is also the same where you have to be born again. Is not just a formal one that is done by unauthorized people. Even the word "Musalman", Mohammed Sahib has again and again talked of a rebirth.You have to find your Self. How do we find our Selves is the problem. Is there something like "Self”? Is there really something like "God" or it’s all a myth? Is there any fact in following the religious holy life that you get your salvation?So far, we have had no proof of it. Naturally, in this scientific world today you have to give the proof of everything to convince people so that they seek them Selves. But the science tells us that we were evolved from a little amoeba to a human being. Why? Why God took so much trouble? If you don’t believe in God you can say nature. Why nature worked so hard to create a human being out of a small little amoeba? Supposing we assemble some screws, and we try to work out something, a passer-by would ask, “Why? What are you going to make out of this instrument? What are you doing?”There must be some reason why we have become human beings after so much of evolution. But science doesn’t think of “why.” It just tells you, “This is.” And whatever is not there, it says, “We can’t explain.” The instrument, whatever it is, supposing has to work on electrical energy or on any energy whatsoever will come into force or will start working out when it is connected to the mains. Otherwise it is still in the making process or you can say it is in transition.Human being as such is in transition. It has not found its own meaning. He does not know why he exists, what is the purpose of his life. It’s a meaningless life. So, you have to be connected to the mains. That’s what everybody has been saying that you have to be reborn, you have to become that.Now, those who talked of this were born on the tenth storey. The rest of them are on this earth. When they talked it all went over their heads. You have to at least reach the first or second storey to understand that there is something beyond this human consciousness, this human awareness. There’s something more to this awareness. There’s a more opening. There’s a greater dimension which one has to achieve to understand your own meaning. About Kundalini all the scriptures, I must say, have described, all the scriptures without exception.Of course, in India there has been a very deep meditation tendency thousands of years back and some of the seers long time back found out about Kundalini, and even in [Dhirenja Sangita?] Kundalini is described. That’s as old, I should say, about Vedas. We cannot say the origin of these books. Kundalini has been described in them.Kundalini has been again and again described and also abused and misused and misrepresented. All sorts of things have been done about Kundalini. In the Bible Kundalini has been described in such a manner that it is not called as Kundalini, but they call it as “Tree of Fire,” “Tongues of Flames.” Many such adjectives, descriptions are used, but they have not used the word Kundalini itself because it is not written in Sanskrit language. So, there must be some mechanism within us by which we are reborn, no doubt. There has to be some mechanism.If I’m speaking through this mike to you, there must be some mechanism which is doing the job. In every seed there is a premule, the mechanism which germinates and creates a big tree out of it. In the same way we have a mechanism placed within us. But this is a very subtle thing while human beings are absolutely gross. In this Kali Yuga, modern times, they are even worse, extremely gross and they cannot think of something subtle.If I tell you there is an energy which thinks, organizes, loves, you cannot think of such an energy. But how do we organize? How do we think? How do we love? From where do we get that energy?Why shouldn’t we think about it? But as I said that modern man doesn’t think of “how,” he takes it for granted. So, today I want to tell you about this mechanism that exists within you. It should not be just a mental feat with you. No! It should not be the so-called knowledge of Kundalini from outside but it’s a happening where the Kundalini rises and you get that whatever is promised in all the scriptures.Today the time has come to prove the existence of the Divine Power of God all around us.We have been going and praying to God. Does He listen to us? Are we connected to Him? We do namaz, we spread our hands towards God Almighty, are we connected with Him or we are just doing a mechanical thing? Even so many people are doing Hatha Yoga. They think they are doing it in the name of God. Is it a correct method? Can we do anything about it?If it is a living process, if it is an evolutionary process, we must think we have done nothing for our own evolution so far. From amoeba to this stage we have come without doing anything about it. We have taken our human life for granted.So what can we do about it? If it is a living process, it has to be spontaneous, it has to work by itself, like a seed which is planted germinates by itself. At the most a gardener can pour little water.I can pour the water of My love on your seed – at the most but the seed has to germinate by itself spontaneously. It is a living process and not the mechanical process. Perhaps we never realize what is a living process because we take it for granted. You see so many flowers turning into fruits but we never think how it happens. We have no idea of spontaneity. We think by doing something we are being spontaneous.So one has to be effortless because Kundalini is born with you. 'Sahaja': 'born with you'. 'Saha' means 'with'. Born with you. 'Ja' means 'born'.So awakening is a happening which happens to you when somebody who is awakened, like an enlightened light or a candle, comes near other lights which are not yet enlightened and enlightens it spontaneously.Now you cannot argue it out, you cannot. You cannot rationalize it because rationality is a limited thing. You have to go to something that is unlimited. How can you do it with a limited mind? This is beyond mind you have to rise. If you argue it out, you are going to be away from it.But in science we have found out many things which indicate, which actually prepares the stage for Sahaja Yoga, which prepares us to know that there’s something beyond.We have accepted in the medical science that we have autonomous nervous system which works by itself. We call it 'auto': souayam [somatic-?], chyme. Who is this “auto”? Who is this “one”? The one who beats your heart, the one who digests your food? When we said that it is done by a system, you just give it a name. But how do you explain? You cannot do it. You may be able to increase the rate of your heart beat but you cannot decrease it. It happens spontaneously, automatically. How does it happen? By giving it a name you do not explain. In psychology people have found out that there is something like a universal Unconscious. There is that "sarvavyapi achetan" [all-pervasive action] which gives symbolic suggestions in the dreams which are universally the same. They’ve accepted this. They have proved it by experiments that there is a universal unconscious, so many of them. I shouldn’t say all of them because, you see, after all there will be always a controversy till you reach the truth. Human mind must have something to eat. But they have, they talk of it.Scientists cannot explain many things. There is another thing which science cannot explain is why certain things act differently in a human body. For example there are two chemicals known as adrenaline and acetylcholine. They have certain chemical reaction. But in the body they react differently. They cannot explain, they just say the mood of action of these chemicals in the human body cannot be explained. Finished. In the human body or in any body as such whichever is living, any foreign matter is thrown out. But when a mother conceives a child in the womb it is not thrown out, but it is nurtured and looked after. Who does that? Who understands that this is not a foreign matter, but is a future child? Is there somebody thinking inside your uterus or something that is controlling, who takes the decision? There must be someone or for [you], at least minimum of a human level who thinks for you?So already there are questions for scientists to ask and they all can be answered. Because the knowledge of science is analytical, is in different corners, it gives you part-knowledge. Now Kundalini can be seen, you can see it. The pulsation of the Kundalini you can see at least. Many doctors have seen it now. In Delhi of course we don’t have any doctors so far. I don’t know if among you there are any doctors. But you can see with your own eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini very clearly. If you have a stethoscope you can even feel it, the rising of the anahata, means the throbbing. It can be done.But how long are we going to sit asking for proof of a Kundalini? Let us now see.As I told you this morning you must accept this as the hypothesis. Modern times are the worst times for one reason that you have to explain everything which is a very simple thing as far as religion is concerned. As far as other things are concerned you don’t have to explain, people just accept. For example, if you have to put on this light I have to just tell you that you go and switch on. That’s all, nobody argues. But today in the morning I told somebody to put his hands towards Me like this, he started arguing on this point only, “Why should I do it?” Now I said, “I have to tell you the whole thing, why it is to be done?” Is a simple gesture he could not do. And he has come here for the Kundalini rising, you know, with all the rights on Me.You can’t even put your hands towards Me? Arguments have brought you nowhere. You must understand. This talking “bla, bla” has led you nowhere. What have you achieved in that?You think you have done this job, built this building you’ve done. It’s all dead, all dead things, dead converted into another dead. What living work have you done so far? What have you done so far that you can call as living? You cannot do even a seed sprout! The One who does millions and millions of such things, billions and billions of these seeds sprouted, when we have to know Him, at least let us have the humility to know that through your rationality and so-called intellect you are not going to know Him.A little drop wants to know the whole of the ocean! How can you explain to an ant the human civilization and the human problems, and how can you explain to a human being the working of the subtle, divine forces. God has been challenged by man. See the greatness! That’s why in all the scriptures it is written, “Humble down yourself in your heart.” That doesn’t mean that you give up your intellect, doesn’t mean at all, but you must have the balance of your heart also. So, with all these apologetic words and introduction, I am now telling you about the Kundalini, where It exists, because now don’t start from the very beginning doubting. Please keep your mind open. Later on when you get your realization through Sahaja Yoga, when you practice it … Now we have many here who have got it. And they have seen the working of the Kundalini and have confirmed what I’ve been saying about it. But to you it will be quite shocking. I know it will be because you cannot believe that such a thing can be inside us.Of course the mechanism has been simplified because this is just a, I should say, a primary class, the first standard. So, it has not been that complicated as it is. I’ll try to make it simpler and simpler. But you must know that it is a subtle thing which you have not seen yourself, you’ve not felt it, you’ve not known it so far. It’s something out of the blue for you and in this so called scientifically enlightened world it may sound quite foolish to you that I’m saying these things. But it is like this. Do not be fanatic about things. Even there are scientists who are real fanatics. Science is another obsession which has really killed their foresight. Can you see from here? Now, this is the picture.As they say man is made in the image of God. We can say now, let us see, 'Liver's Tone' means 'the Object of which you are the reflection'. So we’ll start from the top.When the child is in the womb of the mother, the energy which you do not know, the energy that is all pervading called as Chaitanya, is the divine power of love of God which is all around us. This sounds quite poetic only to people; [for] many people is just a poetry. But it is not, it’s a fact. Because we have never tried this power before, we only know the power of hatred.So this power of divine love of God which is all pervading, which is all around us, descends within us. Yes, it does in the human beings also, when the child is in the womb of the mother.The brain of the man is evolved in such a manner that it gets a shape of a prism, of a prism which has got three sides and a base. When this energy enters into the brain, then it passes into all the surfaces of the brain, and some passes through the center on top here. You can say not the center but the apex as shown here.At the back it passes through the brain straight into the medulla oblongata that is in the spinal chord and forms your central nervous system, as you call it as C.N.S.On the other side of the brain, left side of the brain, it comes down this way but when it has to pass through the brain it goes into the fraction because of different densities and then passes into the medulla oblongata loosing some of its resultant on the side into the spinal chord through the medulla oblongata.Another one which falls on the right hand side goes to the left hand side through the refraction. Again it looses some of its outside as a resultant, is divided into two, one going down, and one this way and goes down in the medulla oblongata.The one which falls on the apex of the brain passes through the center, and part of it, quite a part of it, escapes into the triangular bone as Kundalini.This is the arrangement made when you are born by God. I call it God because it is so. Of course, if there is God or not that we’ll see later on. That proof I have to give you but not just now.This happens in a very subtle manner because as I told you, is a subtle energy but is expressed in the gross way in our being as three autonomous nervous systems. The central one is known as the parasympathetic nervous system, is expressed as the parasympathetic nervous system. There are two sympathetic nervous systems, left and right.But in the subtle form – which Kabira has described, Kabira has described very clearly – in the subtle form the channels that are carrying those subtle energies are: in the center the channel is called as Sushumna Nadi, on the right hand side one channel it is called as the Pingala Nadi and the left hand side one is called as the Ida Nadi. These are the subtle things which are existing inside the medulla oblongata, not outside. So, you see, when the doctor opens the medulla oblongata the person dies.How can you see? How can you see a subtle form of energy through your eyes? You cannot see even your electricity through your eyes unless and until there is a lamp which is enlightened. So, you cannot see those energies which are at work inside in a subtle form but you can see the expression of it in the gross form outside.Now these three energies are like the breath which flows through a flute.The breath that flows through a flute passes through seven holes. In the same way there are seven chakras, basically, main. When we say seven holes, actually there are more. Basically I am saying. I will tell you about the other ones later on.Just now I am telling you the, absolutely, as I told you in the primary, first standard class. I am telling you the basic things.So these chakras, the centers that are placed within our being which are there, existing there and acting there, and which are in a subtle form are expressed outside as plexuses which doctors know. Is there any doctor in this room? All right. They are expressed as plexus and doctors know about the plexuses because they can see the plexuses outside.But what are the centers that are controlled them? I do not know if the medical science has gone that far to accept that there are centers inside the medulla oblongata which is controlling these centers. I don’t know. I have done medicine for the same reason because I had to talk to these doctors and scientists later on. So, I’ve done it. But at that time it was not so. Even in My nomenclature, you see, I’ll be using those old terminologies which I learned in My young age, and if there’s any difference you shouldn’t mind because it, you people are changing your nomenclature every now and then. So, these subtle centers that are placed inside the medulla oblongata act on the gross plexuses that are outside. Doctors will accept that much, I know. They won’t have an objection to that but little further they will not go. They cannot. They should not as doctors but as Sahaja Yogis they will. Once you have the experience and once you have found out, then why will you say, “No.”But one thing we must know that if there is no microscope how can you see something that is in a cell?? With these eyes you may not be able to see something. But supposing you get those eyes which are microscopic, and if you tell others, they are not going to believe because they must also get the microscopic eyes. This is a little problem of Sahaja Yoga that it has to happen to you, that you could see all these things what I’m talking about.Now, let us see what are these centers.Now when I describe them you need not get a fright. You need not accept. Again and again I’m trying to describe that.You see, with children, it is very difficult. You have to take them this way, that way. God knows where their mind will just slip out. You see they will find out some loophole somewhere and just disappear. So, I have to take your attention properly, so that you get the sap that you are here for, that you get what you have within yourself, you get your own powers so that you know your Self. So, I have to, you see, “child” to you and look after you and manage you very well, so that there is no problem.Don’t allow your attention to just capture you, your mind to take you away, you see, because your mind will be playing tricks with you. So be careful. Of course, you should not also get brainwashed by what I’m saying. You can judge Me very well whether whatever I’m saying is correct or not. Now, the lowest chakra. This chakra, this center which is a subtle, again I’m saying, it is a subtle center, is not a gross center, is a subtle center placed outside the human body and the subtle is not localized at a point.You see, it’s an energy outside the spinal chord in the prostrate gland, and is known. And now somebody might say that if the prostrate gland is removed then it exists still but it has…Supposing there’s a chair I’m sitting on it, I say, ”She’s sitting on the chair.” Now the chair is removed, I’m not removed. Or if the, they say that men have prostrate glands, so what about the women. You see, like that the questions can come up. So I’m saying it’s a living subtle center. So you don’t worry about their chairs. I’m just giving you a little location which may not be the same for everyone.And it acts on the pelvic plexus which we call as Mooladhara Chakra in the Sanskrit language, because that time there was no English language.That doesn’t mean that I’m preaching anything Hinduism or anything like that. All the saints, I will tell you. I will also tell you about Christ where He exists. I’ll also tell you about Mohammed Sahib where He exists, about all of them. So it is no question of one religion or anything. But these are different things which came in the evolutionary process of man, and all the evolution that took place in every human being is within himself, is recorded, and he’s standing on that. For example as you come up to first storey you should know that the whole first storey is there, second storey, it exists, third storey, it exists.In the same way all these storeys that you have climbed in your own evolutionary process are on these seven steps which I’m telling you.So, the first step is that of Mooladhara Chakra which is controlled by a deity, is a symbol. Same from the universal unconscious I’m telling is a symbol, and this symbol is that of Shri Ganesha.This is going to shock everyone. They are very few, they will have a photograph of Shri Ganesha, no doubt, but we’ll believe that this is a living symbol that exists within us on this point. It does. What is the proof and everything I will tell you. But first now, just now you see for yourself. Is Shri Ganesha.And then if I tell you the same Shri Ganesha which is a symbol here has incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. He is the symbol of eternal childhood, of holiness. And as you know that this center controls the sex also, this symbol suggests that in religion you must have innocence of Shri Ganesh. Those who say that sex can be sublimated, tantrikas who use sex for sublimation are the greatest sinners on this earth. Sex has to be sanctified and holy. If you do not have a sanctified and holy sex you cannot get your realization, I’m sorry. Those who talk of liberation at sex must realize this: they are ruining their Kundalini completely because Kundalini is like a mother, Gauri who is sitting inside them. And for Indians it is very easy to understand that you cannot have sex with your mother. Those who talk of exciting sex for Realization are the greatest sinners because this is the greatest sin. And those who excite their own ideas about sex by accepting all these licentious and permissive things about their sex which is the holiest of holy are killing their tabernacle. They are completely finishing off themselves. There is no saving for such people. Is going to be very, very hard for them.One has to work very hard for these people. And if you come to My London center they will tell you what happens, how difficult it is. One shudders to see how we have played foolishly with ourselves by experimentations. Will you experiment yourself with these electrical appliances? Let me see anybody who puts their hands into the oven to experiment! Without holiness you cannot talk of God. Take it from Me.You may not like it. No. Many won’t like it. Because their guru must sit down here and say, “Yes, yes, you must do.” You need a guru also for such a thing, imagine. Human beings as they are they keep a guru who says, “This is the greatest dharmic thing you must do.” Imagine. Tomorrow you have to face God remember, even if you do not get your Realization.Those who try these tricks are punished in this life time. They don’t have to take course to any other life or after death. In this life time, you have to have a sanctified holy married life.Marriage institutions according to human beings it is made by human beings. It is not. It is made by God. I’m not here to please you. I have to tell you the fact and the truth of life. One has to lead a very holy life. That is the essential part.And I’m very sorry for one thing that Christ who was the incarnation of that holiness, who is worshipped in those countries is being insulted completely by those people. He was a celibate person throughout and today they are making a picture on the sex life of Christ.In India is not possible. Thank God, here it is not possible. They dare not talk like this, shamelessly and vulgarly. There is no shame about it in those people. They have forgotten God.And that’s why when I talk of Shri Ganesha, you must know that you have to be like a child when you want to have the blessings of Kundalini because She’s your mother and She’s all the time following you. She’s born again and again within you and She’s watching you and She’s recording all that you have been doing.And who is doing the recording? In the heart you find there is the flicker of Spirit, of Atma which is the reflection of God Almighty. That is the Spirit which records because it witnesses. It’s a "sakshi", it’s a witness whatever you are doing in life. And is all recorded in the Kundalini, and at the time of Kundalini awakening She shows. Many people ask Me, “Mother, how do you know?” Because the Kundalini is My part, She tells Me all that. And I know about their problems because She tells Me. It’s all recorded like a tape recorder you have got the cassette, the spindle, it is there. And the Kundalini is in the form of Gauri who is a virgin just married to Shiva. It’s a symbolic expression, is a poetic expression that She’s sitting and having Her bath before meeting Her Lord. And Shiva is in the heart the Atma. And Ganesha She creates out of Her vibrations. On Her own being She takes out the mala as they call it, the dirt, and makes a Ganesha. Ganesha is created by Mother, as Christ was created by Mother Herself. And She places Him behind the bathroom, you can say, to safeguard Her lajja, you can say 'Her chastity'. So, He looks after Her protocol. Nobody can enter through that side, it is prohibited.Who can rise to the status of Shri Ganesha who is beyond all contamination, who is holiness personified? He’s like a lotus born out of the mud.We worship Ganesha in the house and we do all kinds of things with ourselves. We are not bothered about holiness, about keeping our dignity. How can He be pleased here? But Ganesha doesn’t come in the Kundalini rising because Kundalini is placed higher. Already She is placed higher in all of us. We are already sublimated. So, He’s the only one who sanctions. He’s in charge. Then you find a very white round center which is called as the Nabhi Chakra. Those who understand Hindi or Marathi or Sanskrit know what is Nabhi. Is the navel, you can call it the navel Chakra. Then the Nabhi Chakra is also called as Manipur Chakra in the Sanskrit language.But for our practical purposes name does not matter. Is the Nabhi Chakra we can say, everybody understand what is a nabhi. But it is not here in the nabhi, it is at the back, in the medulla oblongata it is placed.Now, this Nabhi Chakra or the Manipur Chakra is the center which controls the solar plexus in the human beings. This is the center, is the center of dharma, of religion. When I talk of religion, everybody will say, “Oh, Mataji believes in religion.” Now, you must understand what is the word 'dharma' means. 'Dharma' means 'Dharayati sa dharma', 'your sustenance'.Carbon has four valances. Every element has got a different property that is the dharma of every element. Every animal has got a certain quality, that is the dharma of an animal. Human beings also have some sustaining qualities. They are human beings. Otherwise they are pischachas or rakshasas or devils or satanic or they are sub-human.To be a human being minimum of minimum you must have those ten qualities, ten dharmas within yourself. If you do not have, you are not a human being. You become satanic. You become sub-human. Your awareness goes down, it’s lowered. These are above the ten commandments I should say, above because there are certain things which are not mentioned in them clearly, in the Bible. These are the ten basic qualities in a human being one should have, and if you do not have then there are problems.For example, we should not shock people – means drinking. People say, “What’s wrong in drinking, Mataji?” Simple thing, it goes against your awareness. See these drinks and all these alcohols they are not created for drinking at all. They were created by God no doubt, but for polishing. You see if you want to polish a diamond, you have to use gin. Gin is not meant for drinking, for human consumption. It is not meant. This is human brain, you know, is such a wonderful thing that it is using gin for their stomach which spoils their liver, gives them cancer. And you blame God for all these calamities of the world.Smoking, now of course, many are saying smoking causes cancer. Thank God. What is tobacco meant for? Is for insecticide, it’s an insecticide. I’m telling the truth. But 'you' use it for intoxication or what you call, I don’t know. Now when all the gurus, even Moses, they told about this. All the gurus have told. Incarnations have not but gurus have. I mean the real ones. I’m not saying these fake ones that are these days, modern days are just making a business proposition of everything. I’m not talking about them but the real ones, who are all born in this void – the void described by the Zen system of religion – all the ten gurus. We can say the same there again the ten gurus are incarnated, they tell us about the dharma.The center Nabhi Chakra is governed by the deity called as Vishnu and His power is Lakshmi. Now, if your Nabhi Chakra is caught whatever you may try you cannot get the blessings of Lakshmi. You cannot get. And even if you have lakshmi it will disappear. It’s a fact which can be proved. This Nabhi Chakra is controlled by a deity, Vishnu, which is the sustaining aspect of God. Vishnu gives the different dharmas to us. That’s how He has evolved us from amoeba to human beings. He Himself has incarnated as a leader many a times. We call it Dashavatara and He has led us through these incarnations.And His power is Lakshmi, is the Goddess of welfare they say, or you can call it is wealth. It is not. It’s a very subtle thing, very subtle. That’s a symbol one should understand because is concerned with us.Lakshmi has got a womanly figure, a mother’s figure. She doesn’t have an actresses figure, you see. They show of actresses and this beauty what you call 'beauty contests', are not good vibrations at all. They do not emit any vibrations. On the contrary they emit very dirty vibrations, I must say, very vulgar, very filthy.Lakshmi is a mother. She doesn’t use Her body for provocating expressions. No. She’s a mother. So, a lakshmipathi, a man who is supposed to be adorned by a lakshmi, a rich man, should have the personality of a mother, a one who is lajjasheela as we call it, who is chaste, who respects the chastity, who is loving, generous, affectionate like a mother. Mother tolerates all the nonsense of the people, of the children.Then in Her two hands She has two beautiful pink colored lotuses, two flowers of lotuses. The lotus expresses the Shri. 'Shri' means 'the grace'.If I say 'beauty', immediately your eyes will go to those beauty contests. I do not mean they are not beautiful. 'Beautiful' is not a word which these days means 'provocating'. No. Beauty means the complete personality that emits vibrations, which is a form or is the same as joy and ananda, that we call ananda, joy and also consciousness. That is a very complicated thing. So, I would just say that is the form that emits the vibrations of joy.In Her hands are two lotus flowers which are pink. Means such a person has to be a warm person, has to be a cozy personality, and his house should be as cozy. It should not be all polished and varnished. And if somebody comes in the house, he drops anything, flowers there, the woman starts getting angry or the man says, “Oh, you have dirtied my house. Will you please clean it.” Such a house is not a home.It has to be a home for all the people. Such a man is lakshmipathi. Otherwise morning till evening the fighting going on between husband and wife, “You didn’t keep the house clean. You must clean this and you must sweep that.” As if the cleanliness has become the main part of human life. I can understand a basic cleanliness should be there.For Indians we should not tell this because they lack that completely. They are the other extreme, "Raste me chalet chalet jaha deko thook dhena ka." Of course. But another extreme also is not good that all the time the divorces are taking place because of cleanliness so fussy that you can’t live together. You develop a sort of a mania or sort of … You become abnormal people. You suffer from the sickness of cleanliness morning till evening. Afraid, “This is to be done, otherwise it will be dirty.” You think ten steps forward march that the place should not be dirty. Of course it should not be dirty, is a simple thing. But it should not be that much worked out that the home becomes a hospital. Home is a home. Children must feel it’s a home. Let them play, let them spoil. In London you’ll be surprised my husband’s secretary told Me that, "My children were coming, that aren’t You worried?” I said, “Why?” She said, “Your house will be all spoiled.” I said, “What? My children are coming, My grand-children are coming, I’m looking forward for everything that I can do for them. How did it come into your head that My house will be spoiled?”It can be cleaned. You have so many ways of cleaning the house. So the house should be cozy and comfortable.And such a person who is rich is not a lakshmipathi. But a lakshmipathi is a rich person, he receives people with a big heart. So the coziness of the lotus should be in that lakshmi.In another hand, in the two other hands, one hand has this symbol like this, another is like this. This suggests that such a man must do "dhan" [altruism]. Now, in English I don’t know what is the word for 'dhana' because nothing is that dignified. 'Dhan' means 'giving alms'. But it is not dignified word. Gavin, what word will you say for 'dhan', tell Me in English? 'Charity' is also little bit, you see, 'to be charitable' means you see, you are higher than the person whom you charity. 'Offering' if you say then it’s a different meaning in. But, I would say 'dhan' means 'by which sharing is expressed', 'sharing'. 'Generosity', you think it’s nearest. All right. 'Generosity'. But 'generosity', you can say at the most 'generosity'. But 'giving your generosity' you can say. And by this is ashraya, means there should be people depending on such a person. So, you have to be an enlightened person, so that people should depend on you.A rich man has to be a dignified person. But normally it is not. A rich man first of all he will start dressing up like a teenager. He might be the age of sixty years. You find many like that. Immediately all his dignity is fallen off, as soon as [he becomes?]. Then he must go to races, he must take to drinks, he must be found on the street, some policeman must… and it must appear in the paper. Now, I’ve seen some also horrid things about women who are rich. I must say that this happened in England. But it’s funny, for you people it will be funny, but it’s common there. A ninety year old woman, rich woman, ninety year old rich woman having a love affair with a nineteen year old boy. She’s a rich woman, you see. I mean, I do not know what to call this stupidity.They aren't rich in India, God save. No enlightenment of any kind they have. If they had there would have been no problems at all. So, this is a symbol of Lakshmi at this stage. The sustaining power is the Lakshmi. The sustenance, what should be the dharma and all that. Now I find if I discuss it will be too much. But I told you for example drinking goes against the dharma of life. It goes against the dharma of man because it goes against the awareness of man. If you loose your awareness how are you going to rise to a higher awareness?Now, people know by drinking these things happen but they will say, “What does it matter, Mataji, if we drink a little bit for our society?” And what does it matter if I take a little poison? You’ll get used to it. Gradually you’ll start taking poison.There are so many people, in this country specially, if they take a little of tobacco they feel giddy and fall on the ground, this tobacco. There must be some in you also. They cannot even look at tobacco. There must be some. But there are some who can take tons, tons inside their being. How is it? Both are human beings.So, by little and little, those countries who have accepted this as a social thing have done the greatest harm to themselves. Because in the beginning they were taking only little, little.That was I should say about 100 years back, you can say about 200 years back. But today if you go and see them, they are alcoholic. They can’t live without. So the pioneers were the little ones and the sufferers are those now who are fed up with alcohols. Because they think it doesn’t mean intoxicate, so they have taken to drugs also. And they think it is another experiment.So you have more police force, you do all kinds of things to control it. It’s not possible. Mohamed Sahib has clearly said, “No intoxications. Nothing, nothing at all." Nanak has said the same. They are both the same people you’ll be surprised. Same people born at different times, same people teaching the same thing. Nanak said the same thing, “No smoking, nothing.”But today there are no Sikhs. In the morning they were, Sikhs are fighting in London that, “We should not wear the helmet.” Imagine. Where is it written? In which book Nanak Sahib has written this, "I would like to see, that helmet." On the contrary He said, “Vesh ka kya payda ka”, "What is the use of changing your dress?" And they are fighting on this point.But the way the Sikhs drink in London, I mean the British are ashamed. I mean they think they are no good compared to Sikhs, the way they can consume. And they are fighting in the name of religion. Is a fact I’m telling you that the helmet they cannot wear because they must have a right and freedom to crack their heads on a scooter. What is this? And there is a big procession every, I think every Sunday they take it out “against protecting.” My head off to all these people. That is what they have done out of Nanak Sahib. And the Muslims, think of them, they have written poetry on drinking.Now, if I say you don’t have to drink, they will think this lady is talking some of about ten thousand years back. But is a fact I’m telling you, it is not meant for human consumption at all, none of these. Now they might say that Christ was drinking wine. Now, 'wine' never means 'alcohol'. I mean grape juice which is fresh, which is unfermented is different. But the fermented, even molasses, anything you can ferment, it becomes an alcohol, which is satanic. Is a process only to be used for polishing things. You are drinking the polish and all your intestines all are polished off nicely. And your liver is ruined. And then you come to Mataji, “Mataji, our liver is ruined. Now what to do? How to cure it?”Now, if I tell you, “Don’t drink. It’s very bad.” But these days there are gurus like that you know, they say, “You drink. Do whatever you like. Only thing, give your purse please behind me. You can do whatever thing, can even smuggle", you see. There was a guru who was teaching smuggling, actually smuggling to people. And all the Sehasas [Sikhs] were caught in Jakarta when they were smuggling. They lost billions and billions of dollars there. And when I went to Singapore they came to Me, “This has happened.” I said, “Now where is your guru?” “She has gone to Switzerland.” I said, “Very nice.”He said, “You do whatever you like. Bring the purse here, that’s all. If you cannot look after your wife and children leave them here also. You sacrifice everything in the name of God and give everything to me, very nicely. You sacrifice."They are many who will support it. They are not gurus. If I tell you they are rakshasas, they are demons. Otherwise nobody can do like this. These are demonic things. They are not afraid of anything. They have no conscience. Those who have no conscience are devils, are devils. They are not afraid of God and they are doing everything in the name of God. Tomorrow they have to face God. No doubt.But you will have to also face. And when God will ask you, “What have you been doing?,” then you’ll find that you have no answer. You’ll say, “I have kept a guru there. I was paying money to him. I was looking after him. He did this much.” He says, “What about your Kundalini? What about your awakening? What about your Realization?” You say, “That I don’t know. I have kept one guru, you see, and I was paying him.” He said, “All right, where the guru has gone, you also go there.” And you’ll find the guru settled down very nicely among the worms in the hell, in the deepest forest of hell. Take it from Me.There is no need even for these people to die. They will face it in this life time. All such people have faced. You have seen what has been the condition of gurus. So this is the center part of void which has to look after. And another center that you find there is the center known as Swadishthan Chakra which creates, which is a creative power within us. By this center we think, we plan, and also our bodies cater to.Now, other day only I discovered that doctors do not know what is the reason for diabetes. I’m surprised. I’ll tell them. You can verify. It’s very easy.This is the center which does two things: it thinks, plans.You know in Delhi everybody’s Swadishtan Chakra is caught. Why? Because too much of planning is going on here. Everybody’s planning like mad. But there has to be certain balance between your thinking and between your emotions. You must have also a little balance. I don’t know whether doctors think of the balance of the emotions with this. They do not. So the diabetes is caused because of this imbalance.You are all the time using this center for too much thinking, too much planning. But the same center looks after the upper part of the liver, spleen, kidneys, and also the uterus, and also the thinking. So if you are thinking too much you are using the energy on one side, and there is no way of filling the petrol back. Then what happens that your spleen suffers. It doesn’t get the energy, and you get the disease known as diabetes which is only known to the people who think too much. Is not known to the poor people. They eat such a lot of sugar. They don’t have to stop sugar. They eat such a lot of carbohydrates and such a lot of sugar, especially sugar but they do not get diabetes because they do not think too much.Now thinking has become like a disease with people. They cannot stop it also. It goes like a horn in their head I tell you. All the time thinking, thinking, thinking, they go mad and they say, “How to stop it?”It can only be stopped when the Kundalini rises above this: you go beyond thought. And the thinking creates within us on the left-hand side of the brain through the Pingala Nadi, through the right side channel, it creates the ego. Is the ego. All thinking is done through ego. Those which are developed countries have worked out their developing through their ego.So, the ego developed so much in that country that they got fed up of it. So what has happened? As a reaction the other side of it started growing. The younger people there started taking to drugs, taking to sedatives, which created in them the superego. The ego gave … Douglas is laughing. Is a fact. He knows. He’s done it and he has crossed it, and he has overcome it and he has won it. So he’s laughing.And the superego has risen now to push back the ego. For a Westerner always they say, “Oh. I’m so bad. I’m no good. I’m good for nothing.” Is not humility, is the superego. Is the superego that is acting. While in India the ego is rising.Be careful. You have to be in balance with ego and superego. If it is in the center then only I can raise the Kundalini. If there is an imbalance, I have to remove the imbalance. And it is removed. The center known as the Swadishthan Chakra, which also controls the aortic plexus outside, is governed by a deity which we know very well, is Brahmadeva and His power is Saraswati.He has incarnated only once on this earth and you’ll be surprised if I tell you who was that – is Hazrat Ali. He was the son-in-law of Mohammed Sahib. Mohammed Sahib is the incarnation of the primordial master or the Adi Guru who incarnated in the Void, in the Bhavasagara. And He’s the same as Nanak. But if I tell this to Muslims, they’ll kill Me, or the Sikhs will kill Me. One of the two. I don’t know who will come first. I don’t think this time they are going to crucify but they are not going to like it.They are the same people. There are ten of them born like that. They are the same people born again and again. And they are the people, if you accept them, in only one incarnation. They are not going to accept it. You have to accept them in all their incarnations.I’ll give an example. There was a doctor who was suffering from the cancer of stomach, Muslim. He met Me in London and when I told him that, "You have to worship Dattatreya", he got a shock of his life. He said, “You mean to say I must give up my religion?” I said, “Your religion is in imbalance. He was the same as Mohammed Sahib. Actually Dattatreya incarnated as Mohammed Sahib." He said, “I cannot do that. I only believe in Mohammed Sahib.” I said, “All right, I cannot cure your cancer because cancer is because of imbalance. It’s too much activity on one side.”Over-activity of the sympathetic nervous system causes cancer. You write it down today and you can verify it. And that’s why when people say I’ve cured cancer, I have. No doubt. Not only Me but even this doctor who is here he has cured cancer.Cancer is only curable through the balance of Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise it’s not possible. Take it from Me.So the imbalance of this man, he would not listen but cancer is a great thing that way. He had to come back, “All right Mother, I accept.” I said, “All right. Now will you pray to Dattatreya?”A Muslim has to become a Hindu and a Hindu has to become a Muslim. A Sikh has to become a Muslim and a Muslim has to become a Sikh.How can you divide God into so many ways? This division is like the atom being split. You are splitting. You are finding all ways and methods of splitting each other. And what you are gathering is the volcanic force of destruction within yourself. So, the so-called drunkards who call themselves Muslims and the so-called drunkards the Sikhs must know that they are very far away from the gurus whom they worship as their leader. And as Christ said, “You’ll be calling Me ‘Christ, Christ’ and I won’t recognize who you are”, it’s going to be that.For cancer you have to have balance of understanding the complete integrated form of God which has come on this earth, incarnated as different flowers on the same one tree of life, which has been at different levels. Like in a tree you have sometimes, first you have leaves, then you have the flowers, then you have the fruits.But these are the flowers of the same tree, have been taken away by different people, just to create problem of dead flowers. They are living on the same living tree of life. So, I have told you already about one chakra that is Mooladhara Chakra, the Mooladhara where the Kundalini resides.Then about the Nabhi Chakra from where it rises to Swadishtana Chakra which moves round and round and creates the Bhavasagra.I’ve also told you about the Spirit, the flicker of light that exists in the Heart, which is looked after by Shiva.The flicker of light which is the Sakshi, which is the Witness, it is like a flicker that you find in a gas light. Now the gas itself is not enlightened. The gas itself is the energy but is not enlightened. The flicker is enlightened. When the gas passes over to the flicker it also gets enlightened. That is what is Sahaja Yoga is. That is what is the Kundalini awakening when it touches that flicker. But the flicker has got the seat on top of the head here, which is known as the seat of the Sadashiva.And this is the form or aspect of God which is existence is. God Shiva is existence. And this is the first form which emerges into all these forms, like the seed emerges into the whole tree and becomes the seed, and ultimately at the dissolution point also, it becomes Shiva. That is why it is known as Shiva, means the permanent form. It doesn’t go into any formations. It doesn’t incarnate. It is a witness which watches. That’s the aspect of God. So, you have got three aspects of God. The first one which is the Shiva, which is the existence, the second one which is the creator, which is Brahmadeva and the third one which is Vishnu, which is the sustenance, which evolves, which gives evolutionary movement, which incarnates, which has incarnated ten times. Now the chakra above that, you see, in the center, which we call as Sacred Heart, is in the center, is known as the cardiac center, you can say “Hridaya Chakra.” You all know what is Hridaya, Hridaya Chakra, is placed here, behind, in the medulla oblongata, but outside also is the cardiac plexus. Now this center, the cardiac center, is governed by the deity Jagadamba, the Mother of the Universe. Parvati, wife of Shiva, the power of Shiva takes Her place here, to help these struggling evolutionary human beings who are trying to evolve themselves, to protect them from the satanic, from the demonic forces. She’s known as Lalita. She’s known by many names. They say She has been incarnated 108 times. She has been incarnated many a times. She has incarnated as an Amsha [from Amshavatarana, partial incarnation] also, as a part of Her has also being incarnated. She is the essence of raksha, is the protection. A person who suffers from insecurity gets this throbbing here, he gets disturbed. People who suffer from fear have this problem here. She gives us the protection. She’s the protector. And She’s the Mother of this world, Jagadamba. On the right-hand side of the heart exists, left-hand side I’ve already told you, right-hand side exist the symbol of Shri Rama, and His power is Sita. Shri Rama at an evolutionary stage, came as a leader on this earth, as an incarnation of Vishnu, 8th incarnation. And He tried to show the political leadership of a divine nature. He incarnated on this earth twelve thousand years back. And at that time in the whole awareness of human beings the idea of a leader, as a political leader, was born. He’s responsible for creating the political awakening within us, twelve thousand years back, in the human awareness. His power was Sita, His wife, who was a very simple woman. But She was the form of Adi Shakti. We know She was because at that time the people were very sensitive, they could see that. These days people are not. They cannot make out a Ravana from Sita. See that is what is the condition of our sensitivity. This is the central force, is known as the force of Mahalakshmi. So, the Lakshmi is born as Sita for the first time as a human being. On the left-hand side force is known as the force of Mahakali. [Shri Mataji talks to an Indian lady] So, the left-hand side power is known as Mahakali’s power, and the right-hand side known as the Mahasaraswati’s power. Now, the central power is for evolution. The central power, or you can say the central ascending column is meant for the evolution of man. So you are born all of us in the Bhavasagara state. Now you have to ascend from one to another, to another, to another. The higher one than that is as I told you, on the right-hand side is that of Shri Rama and His power is Sita. The complete form of Vishnu came to human beings six thousand years back as Shri Krishna. That is at this chakra known as Vishuddhi Chakra.Shri Krishna is the complete form. Why we say the complete? Because for Him the whole play, the whole leela was to be just seen, this whole creation was nothing but just a play created.He had reached that state, and He talked of it. He said, “Nainam Chianti shastrani, nainam dahati pavaka”, “You cannot be killed by any instrument or by anything.” And He did samhara. His greatest quality was that He killed a many demons on this earth.Now those who talk of non-violence will say, “Oh, He was a violent man.” There is a divine method which has to be employed to kill those demons. That was needed and He did kill.He was the incarnation of a diplomat. What is a diplomat? Diplomat is a person who is a sakshi, who is a witness who plays the divine diplomacy. He played the divine diplomacy, and you are still in that diplomacy when you read Gita, very much.I’ll tell you in two sentences how to understand His diplomacy in Gita, very necessary.He said in the very beginning, at the very outset that you seek in within yourself. He told Arjuna, “You seek in within yourself. You have to become a sakshi.” Arjuna being a mediocre, asked Him a question that, “You are saying that, 'You must seek in within yourself, you should become a sakshi, a witness' and here you are telling me to go on the war, to kill people, kill my own brothers, kill my own relation!” What He wanted to say that it’s all a play. But it only becomes a play when you become that witness, when you are Realized.That’s what He told him. But Arjuna was a mediocre in this respect. So He being a Father, He understood. Like a father who comes out of his hut and see his son beating the cart, so he tells him, “You bring the horse in front of the cart then only the cart will going to move on.” But the child, the son, doesn’t want to listen to his father. He says, “No, I am going to beat the cart.”So, He plays the diplomacy, the Father. The Mother does not. Mother tells you the fact. So, He played the diplomacy there, divine diplomacy. He says, “All right you go on beating but keep your attention on the horse and you will go forward.” That’s an absurd, absurd thing. It cannot happen, you know. He told something absurd. So, He says, “All right, do your karmas but put it at the feet of the Lord.” You cannot do it. It cannot be done. This is something an impossibility because there is the ego in you. If you do any work and if you think, “Oh, I’m putting everything at the feet of the Lord,” you are just deceiving yourself. This is His diplomacy He played it here. You cannot. Those who believe in such a thing should know that it’s a deception. It can only happen when you become a hollow personality. For these people now, those who are Realized, you will see them saying, “It’s going, it’s coming.” They do not say that, “I’m giving, I’m doing.” You have to become a hollow thing like this which just stands and sees and passes through it. The Divine has to flow through you. And about bhakti, about the devotion, dedication, is another diplomacy. You see, His words, you see, nobody sees I’m surprised. They have written five hundred books on Gita. Nobody has seen this simple point that He has played a diplomacy with you because you do not know that you are not beyond ego yet. You have to go beyond it to be there.(End Part 1) So, He says about bhakti also, “Pushpam, palam toyam”, “Whatever you give Me, flower, this, I will accept but while giving,” – you know, see the diplomacy, one word He plays – “in devotion you must do Ananya Bhakti.” See the word 'ananya'. 'Ananya' means 'when you are not the other, when you are united, when you are one with it'. When you become one? When you are realized!Everybody will say, “Oh, yes, yes you must do bhakti, take Krishna’s name, ‘Hare Rama, Hare Krishna', develop a cancer of the throat." Yes, they do, all of them, I tell you. So many have come to Me for treatment and I said, “Now what am I to tell them?" Because "Hare Rama, Hare Krishna", you’ll get to God? Very easy method, you know. You go on jumping on the Oxford Street, you dance, wear a dhoti which is falling off, you get to God? (Mother is laughing.) What a stupid idea. But there are many.They are now begging in [Gantura?]. I went there. They’ve settled down nicely, “Hare Rama, Hare Krishna. Everybody, they came to Me, “Are You an Indian?” “Yes,” I said, “by chance I am.” “Will you buy this book? Only give me five annas.” It’s all right. I will not mind five annas. I said, “Thank you very much.”And they are near God? Begging like poor people, they have no shame, in the name of God. Taking His name and begging! 'You have to do Ananya Bhakti' means you have to be a Realized soul.Now how do you know a person is a Realized bhakti or not?Very easy. A person who speaks of separation, like Surdas, he was not a Realized soul. Those who talk of their tortures, “Oh, God, when are You going to meet me?” they are not realized souls. But those like Kabir and Nanak, like Christ. Christ was an incarnation. But those who talk and sing the praise of meeting are the people who are realized. I mean a person who has met God why should he talk of separation? Very simple thing.But we like the songs of the people who talk of their – you see, I don’t know what you call that – who killed himself, who started calling himself, “Oh Lord, Oh Lord when are you going to meet me?”, broke his neck there, he broke his head there. What is the need to do all this? They are fasting. Why are you fasting? I don’t understand. Why do you want to make your body weak? In this body, the Lord is going to come, and this body is fasting? If fasting people have to get God, at least thirty percent people of this country should get it automatically. They are made to fast.Some Yogi: [Hindi]Shri Mataji: Hum? Dakare?Sahaja Yogis: About women?Shri Mataji: Women? “Santoshi Ma” fast? Any fast, you know, they’ve gone to such an absurd limit. And these Brahmins I will put them responsible. They have given all wrong ideas, absolutely just opposition. How? On a Sankashti, the day when Shri Ganesh is born in the family, see, imagine, that day you must fast! Imagine the argument behind it. That day! You see, supposing somebody is born in your family. I mean you celebrate it, you are so happy. [Us din kush raho, shok rehana chayiye?] Supposing I come to your house and you are fasting. I run away the next moment. [Shir Mataji is laughing]You see, if you write, “Today we are fasting,” nobody’s going to come to your house.If you have to share in fasting, you can do, like “karva chauth”, they share in fasting. You should fast on only one day, definitely you must. That is Naraka Chaturdeshi. That day they will eat. Because that day Narakasura was killed and he was put in the “Naraka”, means the Hell. He was put down there. And the gates of the Hell were opened for him, and all such people are put on that day into the Hell. So, that day you should not get up early in the morning, sleep in your bed.Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear about calendar]Shri Mataji: See, with the calendar I don’t know who has made.Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear]Shri Mataji: You see, but we must use our brains. What is Naraka Chaturdeshi meant? Actually, these must be some rakshasas, must be some devils who must have created these calendars for us, some of them. That you must fast. I don’t know who has written such a nonsensical thing! The day when the gates of the Narakas are opened that day, they will get up at four’o clock, take their baths and nicely eat. All the rakshasas will be going with the food inside the stomach, in the Nabhi Chakra.The picture has come of- the picture has appeared of some Santoshi Ma [since 1960, so-called goddess worshiped by fasting]: everybody fasting on Friday. Then the absurd ideas about “eating food that makes a difference”. Also, this has been introduced. In Gita also I’m sure there are so many things which have been brought which are wrong. To say that you are born a Brahmin and that it’s post-natal or pre-natal as they call it, prenatal. And how can that be? You just think it over. Use your brains. I would say you use your brains. Vyasa, the author of Gita, author of Gita, Vyasa, whose son was he, do you know? He was a son of a fisher woman, illegitimate son. You know all of you, of Parashurmuni. And he’s going to write that you have to be born as a brahmin? Those who think that by being born as brahmins you become brahmins, I must say are sadly mistaken. Brahmin means a person who is reborn, who is a Realized soul, who has known the Brahma. It describes a tendency of a person who is seeking God, is the brahmin cast [unclear], is a tendency. How can Vyasa write like this, you just tell me? How can Vyasa write like this? Now, this is being put on to his head, just pinned on to him. Like the tantrikas. Oh, God. They are the worst of all. They have spoiled all our scriptures, they’ve spoiled all our shilpa shastras, they have spoiled everything dearly. The greatest demons that could be born in this country were the tantrikas. They have ruined all the beauties of our scriptures. Even our aswameda yagna they connected with sex. I mean there's a limit to things! And that’s why when the people go to Konarak they think, “Oh, Konarak! Most enchanting place in the whole country. Nothing more better than that.” They think, "This Khajuraho!" Actually that’s the only aspect which has spoiled all the beauty of that place. If they didn’t have that it would have been much better. Konarak, of course, the architect himself was a tantrika. So, I cannot say anything about such a horrid fellow he was. But here the poor architects were given prizes by these licentious and permissive kings to produce the new styles and new types of these horrible erotic pictures. There was a competition held and it entered into our shilpa shastras, into our sculptures.It has gone up to the South. And you’ll be amazed in the South there’s a temple where they have shown a bad relationship between Gauri and Ganesha. Can you believe it? And are we to accept it because it was done by some foolish ancestors of ours? And everybody says, “Why? It’s all right. In your country also, you see, you have these things. We have seen it, very nice.”And they have written books on kama shastra, koka shastra, this, that. What is the shastra needed for this thing? I don’t understand. Do the animals read any shastras for creating children? For a simple thing like that why do you have to read and make so much deliberations? Are you gone mad?All these artificial things I don’t understand. For a natural thing, which everyone knows, why should they go into such things?And the result, I’m sorry to say, is seventy per cent impotency today in America. Because all artificiality, the spontaneity is lost, the sanctity is lost. All kinds of diseases, every third person is diseased, every third person. You also are following them.After all the sahabs have gone, but now we are all becoming all sahabs. The sahabs have come from England wearing our kurta pyjamas and our sahabs are wearing ties. (Mother is laughing.) Because, you see, somebody told Me that we used to think,” Where are our lords lost.” They are in India, "Unse kuch sikne ka nahin hai. Aap jaan lejeye. Unse kuch jan-ne ka nahin hai."Of course dress doesn’t matter. Whatever you wear it makes no difference. But main thing is that to know yourself, to be yourself. Is a very, very subtle happening for this God has placed all these chakras within us.So, the outside does not matter so much, no doubt. But in a way it does, in the sense that when there is a deeper light, you have to have the earthen pot all right, you have to have the proper amount of oil in it, you have to have a wick properly put up, and then only you can enlighten. If these three things are not all right, then I cannot enlighten you. So these three things are also important. So, your dharma has to be all right. Of course, I’m not saying that if you are drinking you cannot get realization. You can. And you can also get the power to get over your habits in no time, because once you get realized, you get intoxicated by your Self only, by your own powers. You can feel in your hand the power flowing like vibrations, cool vibrations. If you use them then you will know that you can cure people with these. After some time you can give awakening of the Kundalini. When you will raise your hand the Kundalini will move in another person.There are many now. You have got Subramanyam here. He has cured. Gavin, he’s a government servant just like you, he has given awakening to so many people, he has given realization to so many people. You can also do it. The power exists within you which becomes intelligible or conscious in your central nervous system also, and you can feel it flowing. You can work it out. Now, you will know why people have described in the Kundalini awakening this thing happens, that thing happens. If you go from the wrong side, it is going to happen.You have to be an authorized person. Tomorrow you put your hand in an electrical appliance and you said, “There is so many problem.” You should not do it. Only the engineer can do it, the authorized person can do it. This is all unauthorized. The first and foremost thing is that such a person has to be a realized person, and not only realized, but has to be a holy person.Three, four air hostesses are friends of such and such person, and he is giving Kundalini awakening. He’s eloped with his wife, he is smuggling that side, he is smuggling gold from London, he’s bringing down by air, and he is giving Kundalini rising.There should be some sense in what people talk. This is a very holy happening, has to happen in the holiest way. Now, there is another chakra here, where is My, this red spot is. We all put it here but we do not know why we put it there.This is the center which is placed where the crossing of the optic nerves takes place. You can call it the optic thalamus at that point, at that point it is placed. And this center controls the pituitary and pineal glands, which control, pituitary controls the ego and the pineal controls the superego.For a doctor he knows about the pineal and the pituitary but he does not go further than that to know that it controls your ego and superego. Even if he knows, he does not know how to control. Now, with Sahaja Yoga, you can see that they are two balloons in your head. You can see them. It starts from the Vishuddhi Chakra here, petal, where Shri Krishna reigns, whose power is Radha. And they rise in our head and move like this. There are two balloons which cover up our head completely about the age of 12 years or so, completely. Calcification is complete at that time though to feeling it is earlier. And that’s how you develop a separate personality. You are Mr. so and so, he’s Mr. so and so. Is the articulation. Iit is like a shell of a egg you are made. You are made like that because you have to grow inside, inside the shell of your own being. You are a separate… (Apart)You are a shell. You are a shell, he is a shell. And you are given the warmth kept there developed. In the end the egg is broken here, and through it comes out a new personality, a new person within which is a very different person from the one which was before. This is Sahaja Yoga. So, that center which is here placed at the crossing point of the optic nerves is known as the Agnya Chakra, and the deity placed there is Mahavishnu.I don’t know how far people have read about Devi or Devi Mahatmya or Markandeya or even Adi Shankaracharya. Now, Mahavishnu is a creation of Radhaji, is the son of Radha. She had created Him out of Shri Ganesha’s essence and in a special way. And this child was created in the Vaikuntha stage, in the heaven we can say, and He incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ was not a human being. He took a form but His body was completely chaitanya. He’s a complete, His body also was completely divine, specially created by His Mother who was Mary. But actually She was Radha Herself. Sita be-came Radha and then She became Christ’s Mother. She is Adi Shakti. Mary is not an ordinary woman, She is Radha Herself. And if you read about Mahavishnu’s birth you will know that exactly the same is Christ. The name is Mahavishnu and here it is Christ.Now, Jesus Christ see.Jesus, Jesu or Yeshu, this is the name of Yeshoda, was given by Radha to Her son. We say Jesu or Yeshu. And 'Christ' is His surname.Krishna’s name came from the word 'krishi'. 'Krishi' means 'agriculture', is the man who has sown the seed. Krishna came and He has sown the seed of that awareness by which you can become the sakshi of this play, the witness of this play. And Christ’s name is 'krist', is the same as Krishna’s name. When He talks of His father, He talks of Shri Krishna. Shri Krishna was His father. Then He describes Him, all the time of His father, it is Shri Krishna. And in the Vaikuntha state it is described very clearly how Shri Krishna Himself came to bless Him and told Him that, “You will be placed even higher than Me because Your body will be made out of chaitanya.”What is the English word for 'chaitanya'? Of consciousness? But consciousness cannot be chaitanya. Divine awareness. Of the divine awareness, you can say. The divine awareness itself, the divine vibrations are shown in us. In the same way, He’s made out of that like Shri Ganesha is. Now if He’s so or not, because most of you are Indians here, you might challenge it. You may. I can prove it to you because is the same swastika. The ayurdas or the weapons of Shri Ganesha have become "avyakt", are not expressed, because He used one weapon for all of them, is of forgiveness. And that is the greatest weapon of all, and that’s why at this stage when the Kundalini goes, you have to take His name or you have to forgive people. Forgiveness is the greatest weapon that God has given us. Now, it is for you to verify whether I say is correct or not. But crucifixion is not the message.Crucifixion is the explanation of what Krishna preached that the chaitanya, the divine awareness does not vanish, does not. It is akshaya, it does not get killed. You cannot control it. And this was to be proved in His life through His resurrection. The resurrection is the message of Christ. But as in India you have done all the mess of all these incarnations, they have done the mess of Christ in two ways. One, by not respecting the celibacy of life. He was a celibate person. He was a holy person. Of course He respected the marriage institution because He attended the marriage. You have crucified Him again. And secondly which is His power of forgiveness, complete power of forgiveness.But they had empires. They now want to have the economic controlling power and all kinds of these things they are doing under the name of political, I don’t know what they call it.They have to be Christians, all that was against Him is now done today.As we Indians have done all that what was against Hinduism. When Shankaracharya himself has told, “Na Yogena Sankena", still we are having Hatha Yoga. Now we are going to have Hatha Yoga in the college. Patanjal Shastra, himself Patanjali has said not to have Hatha Yoga for the married people, for the householders. It is meant for very few who go to the jungles, stay with their gurus. Every tikalpa, every person is having here Hatha Yoga.Now, this boy today he was suffering because of Hatha Yoga. Of course, I’ve stopped it. But still. You’ll have heart troubles, you’ll have everything. Now you teach your students here in the … And let them to have sex also. In the West very nice, Hatha Yoga is very good because everybody wants to become an actress. Hatha Yoga is not meant for us, for the householders. It is meant for these standing-on-the-heads type. Let them go and break their necks there. One will get after thousands of years. It has been said by many, those who are realized. Now, I know them. They are sitting on the hills. They have told My disciples also that, “We have taken thousands of years to get this and Mataji is just giving you like that.” It is!In the same way so called Christians have done all that was necessary to kill the image of Christ. It’s rather surprising but I think the opposites are attracted. The drunkards will become the disciples of Mohamed Sahib, all the licentious will become the disciples of Christ and all the, that we call in Sanskrit 'Dravidic Pranay Pranayn', will become the Hindus. That’s how it is. Just the opposite. The last is the center of Sahasrara with one thousand petals, is the limbic area which is surrounded by one thousand petals of [inaudible].In the Bible it is said, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” It is like tongues of flames, living tongues of blue flames and white flames and crystal flames, and they are very silent flames. You can see that. Some of you have seen it. And they are like the - they act on our nerves.Now the doctors will argue that there are 982 nerves. Yes, there was argument on that also, 982 nerves, and eight motor nerves and these nerves, and all of them do not become one thousand. I mean that’s not the thing. I’ve not counted them. One thousand they are, no doubt.So, these one thousand petals are the one thousand hands, imagine, in your brain. And this is the Kingdom of God inside which is the limbic area.When ‘you’ cross this door of Agnya, you enter into that and this is ruled by the Adi Shakti, by the Primordial Mother, and She opens it out. She does it, it is Her job. At the end of it, is the gate or the hole known as the Brahmarandra on top here which presses the ego and the superego on both the sides and takes your attention into that all pervading Power which is all pervading.When the Kundalini crosses the Agnya, you become thoughtlessly aware. Thoughtlessly aware means you are aware but there is no thought, you become silent. When It crosses the Brahmarandra then the vibrations start flowing through you and you get cool vibrations.This morning about five, six people got it. Of course, we have many here who are Realized people. All these people who have come from the West are Realized people. And they have experimented and they know all about it. And there are many others who have come from Bombay and those from Delhi also, we have many who are Realized, who have those vibrations flowing through them. It happens. It has to happen to you all. You all should get it.Then what happens? By that you become collectively conscious. I said, “You become.” I did not say that, “You have to become.” You become. You get that awareness. Immediately you start feeling the vibrations of other people.That little girl, Pragnya, who came here, she’s a born Realized. There are many children who are born Realized. My two grand-children in Bombay, they are grand-daughters, and they are both Self-realized. The younger one is hardly ten months and she knows all about Kundalini. You ask her, “What is caught?” You see, you can feel it on the fingers. Now, there’s a book which one of My disciples has written – I should say My son or My child has written – it’s in Marathi. So far Hindi? [Mai nahin huya aaj tak-?]. No, nothing has been done in Hindi. English also they have published one of My lectures. But, in this Marathi book we have given the indications on what things you can feel the chakras. You can feel the centers which are caught in your fingers here and you can see. And that’s how as a by-product you cure people, that’s how the diagnosis comes through and you can feel it. It’s tomorrow morning we are going to have meditation starting exactly at 8.30. I would request you tonight to go sleep off. Early in the morning clean yourself and come here at 8.30 so that we finish the session for you to go to your work. 8.30 early in the morning you have to come here, and then the Kundalini rising and everything can be done. Because people are more interested in the lecture, what am I to do? So, I’m not doing any awakening today because it’s already very late for you. Now if some of you want to have it, I can work it out.(Short dialogue with Sahaja Yogis.) Word 'Realization' means 'when you separate your Self from your gross awareness and become the subtle being', is the realization. That’s the beginning. In that first stage, I’m going to tell you tomorrow evening all about it, how in different three stages it works out. The first stage is of nirvichar where you become thoughtlessly aware and collectively conscious through your vibrations.Then in the second stage you become nirvikalpa in which you start giving realization to others.And the third stage is a complete Self-realization where you become completely the master of Kundalini of others and your own, and you can work it out and also sitting down here you can feel the Kundalini of all the people all over the world, and also you can control many elements and events.

2/23/1977

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The Normal Human Awareness

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Beyond Human Consciousness – Delhi (India), 23 February 1977 And I already spoke on Kundalini yesterday for two hours. Those who want to hear My speech can arrange it with Mr. Rai and can come sometime and listen to it. But today, after telling you about the three powers which govern our autonomous nervous system and the seven centres which look after all our autonomous behaviour, which are the milestones of our evolutionary different stages… The centres carry the symbols of deities who are responsible for our evolution, who have helped us to evolve by leading us, by giving us a leadership. The whole action has been sahaj. As I have told you yesterday, ‘Sahaja’: ‘Saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’, born with you. In a seed, the complete map of the tree and all the trees that are coming in future is microscopically placed. In the same way, in our being, the complete map was placed. We have crossed quite a long distance to be human beings from the state of amoeba or even earlier. Today I’m going to tell you about what lies around the normal human consciousness.We have to understand man in his complete totality. It is very necessary to know all that is unknown, because whatever that is unknown is not Divine. We should not mistake everything that is unknown as a Divine force. And to understand the complete totality of man you have to open your mind, listen to Me like a scientist would listen or understand a hypothesis, and later on if you are realized – if you are; that is a very big “if” with some people, with some people it is not – you all can testify, you can find out, but as a scientist you must have an open mind. If you are a fanatic, even if you are science-obsessed person, you cannot understand. Science does not know anything of love; it does not know anything of religion. It does not know anything of incarnations. But it can be proved today that there exists a force which is the synthesis of all the forces that are working. And there exists the all-pervading power of Divine love. But for that, you have to be a subtler personality. With this gross human attention, you cannot realize it. You have to be a subtler being and to be that subtle being you are already blessed with a mechanism that works out this happening spontaneously. It is Sahaja, spontaneous, effortless. Somebody has to trigger it. Yesterday I have told, quite elaborately, all the chakras and their names and their deities and all the three forces, but today I’m going to tell you what lies beyond these lines, beyond the human awareness. Is a subject of psychology, you can say, though psychology is such a child’s science and the knowledge is so limited because they are probing from outside. It’s an objective knowledge in the sense that you come from outside and see things. You grope at something and you say, “This is this.” Then you grope at another thing and say, “This is this.” You have heard the story of six blind men trying to understand an elephant. As I told you yesterday that there can be a method by which you can put the light on and one can see clearly the complete, the total picture of man. In this picture I’ve not been able to show that part but in the human mind, as you all know, there are different strata’s of consciousness. Now you are listening to Me, paying attention to Me, your Chitta is towards Me. This attention is the conscious mind. You know that you are conscious of what I’m speaking. Moment to moment you are listening to Me. This present moment now, at this moment, this moment as it is, it’s slipping, is becoming the past and the future is coming in you. Every moment is disappearing and a new moment is coming. You cannot stop the present; you cannot stop your attention at present. Now, to be at this moment, you cannot be, that’s the difficulty. You either think of the past or of the future, but you cannot think of the present, of this moment. So, we have our past and our future, in a simple work. The past, they call it as subconscious mind. Subconscious mind, they call it as psyche sometimes. I don’t know what do they mean by psyche, they are so confused, but we have a subconscious strata, in which we store all that we collect, experiences, conditionings, everything. This work is done by the left-hand side channel, known as Ida Nadi, which is worked by the power of Mahakali. Now this word should not shock all the English knowing scientists. This Mahakali power works with storing of all the experiences, all the thoughts that are coming to you from the present into the past, is done by Mahakali power. Thinking of the future, planning of the future, organizing the future is done by the right-hand side power of Mahasaraswati which acts through the Pingala channel. In the gross form they are expressed left and right sympathetic nervous systems. But for a doctor, both the systems act simultaneously. They are so interconnected that it is very difficult for them to verify two different functions which are allotted to them because the ways and methods are so gross. The left side attends to our emotional being, the lower left side to our physical. We can say psychosomatic side. The right side – the lower to our physical being and the upper right side to our thinking. The center channel of Sushumna is a completely independent system which works out our sustenance. In the beginning, when a person wants to drink, he wants, all the parasympathetic activities are performed through the subtle action of this channel known as Sushumna and the power that acts is known as Mahalakshmi. This power evolves us, it gives us Dharma, is a sustenance. The complete periodic table, if you have studied chemistry, is amazingly organized. The carbon is placed as a tetravalent element, with four hands just like a Ganesha. I do not want to go into the details of the periodic table but it is so well organized that every atom of every element has to have the last circle with eight protons. If there are less or if there are more than four, they either become the negative or the positive element. What a tremendous planning it is. And when we say there is no God, we must understand such a tremendous planning could not have been achieved by just chance. It doesn’t work out by that law of chance. Alright forget about God, because suddenly if you talk of God the scientists get a shock. But He exists and these are His three powers which perform these three actions in our being. By the first we build up our past, by the second we build up our future and by the center, the Sushumna Nadi we exist in the conscious mind. The problem of future and past is created for human beings by a special method, as I told you yesterday, that this brain assumes a shape of a prism and that when these powers enter into the brain on both the sides they lose part of it. The one that enters from the right-hand side passes to the left-hand, losing something on the left-hand side. This one is the Mahakali power which loses outside, this one is the reaction to the past. You see someone, I see this gentleman, suddenly I remember of My past experiences with him. The whole past of him comes to Me through that part. And as a reaction I develop a superego, a conditioning in My brain, which I have shown on the other side like a balloon. I’ll give you a simple example to understand the superego and the ego, how it develops in a little child. A child is nursed by the mother and he’s in complete joy, one with the mother, enjoying fully. Suddenly the mother removes the child from one side to another side, he doesn’t like it. The child doesn’t like and he puts down his foot there. That is the development of ego. He asserts himself. Ego develops gradually on the left side in the brain but comes forward. When the child is then corrected by mother, she says, “Don’t do, don’t do like this”, he is conditioned. By that, he accepts it, and the superego as a reaction develops on the right-hand side of the brain from this side and covers it gradually, at the age of about twelve years because language is another way by which they are strengthened. And here, when they meet completely, a man is made into an egg, an articulation takes place, everyone develops a separate personality. He is Mr So-and-So, he is Mr So-and-So, he is Mr So-and-So and the misidentification starts. There are many misidentifications we suffer from; we call them ‘mythia’. We know they are myth, our name. I’ve known people, somebody’s name was Dharamdhar and he was the greatest adharmi ever born. There are so many misidentifications. We are attached to our name. If somebody says that, “You Mr So-and-So, you are a very bad man”, one feels very hurt and bad you see, your anger comes up, “What do you say? This was ‘my’ name.” We are attached to so many misidentifications all our lives. The mythia syths starts collecting and we become covered with so much of that misidentification. Our ego and superego completely overlap all our wisdom.So the ego is created as a by-product I can say, or you can say by the over activity of the right hand side channel. The fumes of that activity, like in a factory you see, are collecting the ego. And the activity of the left hand side collects the superego. And that’s how you have ego and superego developed in your brain. So that is how the human being is. He has got his Mahakali power which is looking after his subconscious activity, his Mahasaraswati power which is looking after the supra-conscious activity, and his Mahalakshmi power which is looking after the conscious activity. Now, there are regions which lie beyond this, about which we are not aware. On the left hand side, beyond the Mahakali region, lies the collective subconscious mind. The collective subconscious mind where all that is dead is collected, that is the collective subconscious. Beyond the Mahasaraswati channel, beyond this region, lies the collective supra-conscious mind. We are part of that also though we are not conscious of it. We are not conscious of it so we can call it as still unconscious to us. Now, beyond the central path of Sushumna, beyond the conscious mind, lies the collective consciousness. That is the all-pervading consciousness which we know as Sat-Chit- Anand. It is all-pervading. Below the Mooladhara Chakra, which I have shown you there down below, lies the most fearful area of hell. It exists. It is there. We maybe not believe in it but it is there and it can be proved. In the collective subconscious, as I have told you, when we die we get into it, normally, not abnormally but normally. Those people who have been extremely unhappy in life, who have been tortured and suppressed, who are being made very miserable and have a malice burning in their hearts, when they die they still have the vindictiveness and they want to make everyone else a miserable personality. They can’t see happiness around. Such people, even if when they die they linger along in this area, which is not gone into the collective subconscious. The collective subconscious receives a normal personality who has just accepted death as a transition. Actually, when we die we really do not die. Only part of us, the earth element drops down, and part of the water element also. But the rest of the elements that form this body, the different koshas plus the Kundalini that goes out and the Atma that rises, all that put together as soul you can call it, all that goes into the collective subconscious and starts going smaller and smaller, into the area of that collective subconscious, where it is to be placed for getting smaller and smaller. But the people who die, as I told you, as the great sufferers with great desires and lust, very depraved and debased people, who indulge in alcoholism and drugs and sex, who make their life miserable, who are violent to themselves and not to others, who are not aggressive but are aggressed, who commit suicide, they do not go to the appointed place, they stick on around and some of them are really busybodies. They try to torture other souls. All the mental cases that you find in this world, suffer from the obsession or the possession by these entities. We call them as bhoot and pishacha. You may not believe it because people don’t believe in bhoots. You believe it or not but they exist. These people are not ambitious people but they are sly, they are mysterious but they are afraid. So they try to find out this type of people, they enter into the psyche of such people and they make them even worse. They make their lives miserable and they make such a person absolutely abnormal. When the psychology starts treating such abnormal people they perhaps do not know what they are up to. The psychologists, when they get in contact with such abnormal people, they themselves are influenced or contaminated. They catch from these depraved and debased, lusty, sexy people, and they themselves become so abnormal. Because they seldom have any relationship with normal people then they start putting up theories absolutely abnormal. An abnormal personality is made as a normal personality and is made to be accepted by everyone. So they start with the theory that you should not suppress your desires, you should become very expressive and absolutely liberated as far as these desires are concerned. All right, go ahead. But they are not aware of the other side of the human beings that those who do like this can get into the other trap and can become egoistical. It starts as a trip of their ego then they become so egoistical that they forget what is saint, what is God, what is holiness. That is what has happened in the Western countries. Perhaps maybe the war, in the war so many people were killed like that, they must have possessed these people. And such patients must have gone to these psychologists and these psychologists must have come out with these unique ideas of psyche being conditioned if you tell them about religion. Psyche is conditioned, no doubt. If you all the time tell the child, “Don’t do this, don’t do that”, the child gets conditioned, no doubt. If you discipline a person too much, he might get conditioned, no doubt. But if you are a model yourself, if the father and mother both are the models of goodness then the child accepts it without being conditioned. This is the central path of evolution. That’s why I say that the family is the most important unit of every nation. All efforts must be done to retain the holiness, the respect and the greatness of marriage institution. That’s why all the incarnations have been married people. And even the Gurus, like Guru Nanak and all these people, have been married and have been leading a normal married life. You go to the West and you are surprised at the tomfoolery and the stupidity to which they are taking. You cannot believe how foolish they have become. We don’t have to learn anything from them in this respect. They have broken their families; they have divorced their wives. Alright, now women have divorced their husbands. Ten men divorcing ten women, marrying each other all the time, ending up in a anahatal [unsure-endlessness] and the children have taken to drugs. What a nice society. The husband comes home the wife has disappeared, taking a divorce saying, “I didn’t like my husband, there was no compatibility.” And the psychologists are very nicely helping them to build up a society of chaos and the religion has been thrown to waste because they think it conditions people. It will if it is a false religion, if it is a suppression. For example Christianity never preached such things that these people are following. Christ never talked of sanyasa sanyasa of any kind. He Himself was a great celibate born personality. He was an incarnation. But his Mother was married and He attended marriages. But the Roman Catholics started a suppressed type of institution where they preached complete celibacy. Martin Luther came in, he said, “No, this is wrong, it should be spontaneous.” He was correct. At that point he was correct but he went wrong that he did not recognize Mother of Christ. That was the greatest mistake because from where do you get the sense of celibacy, from where do you get the sense of holiness, in what relationship – In the Mother and the Son. That’s how Christianity has gone to the dogs, in that country. As I told you yesterday, they are making a picture of sex of Jesus Christ. Can you imagine such a picture? Can you tolerate in this country? So we have people who are teaching us who are actually possessed. Most of the psychologists are possessed and they deal only with abnormal people and they cannot normalize these ideas for the normal people. But by doing that they have created abnormal personalities and you can find all kinds of absurd things in that country. That a ninety year old woman having a love affair with a nineteen year old boy. Can you think of such a thing in this country? Is a common thing there. There is a law in England imagine and England is such a traditional place that a father cannot have bad relations with the daughter and that the mother cannot have with the son. A ‘law’, we don’t need a law like that. I mean we cannot have a law that you cannot eat the filth. You do not make law like that. I mean, human beings know that. But they have a law.Now, the trouble is they are asking, imagine, thanks to the psychologists, they are asking that this law should be taken away so that they should be made free to do what they like in this respect. What do you say to this? You can’t believe it but it is so. There was a minister here, Mr Vidya Rao, he went to America and he gave Me a terrible experience when I was going to America. He said, “Don’t go there; they will never understand you, Mother. Please don’t go.” I said, “What happened?” He said, “I went down to see my daughter. She was away, living away from the main city, so I said, ‘I’ll stay over here with her.’ So the landlady said, ‘No you can’t do that with your father.’ She said, ‘What’?’ ‘No, no, he can’t stay. Any other man can stay but not your father.’ She said, ‘You can’t sleep with her.’ She gave her a big slap. But this man said such filth. Where they think doing so wee.” He cannot understand these things just now. They also never understood this thanks to these psychologists who never accepted… Thank God we do not know so much of English to read that psychology of theirs. The way they are ruining these innocent people by their preaching! They are worse than all the horrible preachers ever known. With a very little knowledge of this Kundalini on the left hand side, they have ruined such a great place, such great people. So many saints are born in that America and England. Oh I weep to see all that. They are all ruined by these people, by telling them these stories which they call as freedom and disciplining their thoughts was conditioning. But disciplining through a model they could not understand. Now, I will tell you how in our country also people have used these entities. We had the greatest saints and the greatest incarnations in this country, no doubt, I agree, but we have the greatest thugs also, the two extremes. On the other side also we have the supra-conscious people die. I’ll put them together and tell you all the various types of things they do. The people who are great planners and great sort of thinking all the time, “What am I going to do this, what am I going to do that” and they cannot fulfil their desires and they are sort of absolutely identified with their desires and very egoistical. They are power drunk about women also. They want to have many women around; women want to have many men around. All kinds of things you see, all these complicated types. They are not satisfied with one wife or one husband these sort of people, all abnormal. And also those who think that, like Napoleon you see, these kind of egoistical people who think no end of themselves and try to identify themselves with their false ambitions, like Hitler. When they die, they go to the other side, on the right-hand side, the supra-conscious. They are very dynamic people and they are the people who are very aggressive. They can also possess you. And you do not know how you get possessed by them. So, there are two types of people: one the depraved and another, the aggressive. So the thugs, who are always waiting for an opportunity to learn, use these entities for their own purpose. You want Me to tell how they do it, that would be bit too much. They have a way, they work in the samshana smashana [cemeteries] known as a bhoot vidya,samshana smashana vidya, preta vidya, I know everything, but you need not know. They capture those entities and control them by controlling some of their parts of their bodies, especially the skull and all that.We had one Ananda Margi you know that and more will be coming forward. You’ll see them one after, they’ll be exposed gradually. So these people capture the entities in their power, some the supra-conscious and some the subconscious, and they try to capture the people through that. We have had, say, Ravana. Ravana had a capacity to hypnotize. All hypnosis, all what you call this ESP, all these extra things are done by these entities who can be bhoots, can be depraved, can be very bad. In London there is an organization known as Late Doctor Lang’s International Curative Center. ‘Late’, he is dead. So the Curative Center is working. This Dr Lang, when he died, he had discovered something which he wanted that he should implement immediately. I mean, this is written in their pamphlet, imagine. It is open; they are not making a sort of a ‘thugee’. They do not call it ‘God’ and all that, thank God. Others call it ‘God’, but they openly say, “No it is not, it is a spirit.” So the spirit of Dr Lang entered into the body of one soldier fighting in Vietnam. This they have written already on their pamphlet, it’s not My own. And that spirit told this man that, “You go and tell my son that I am so-and-so and that you open the clinic, the surgery.” So the man possessed with this spirit went down and told the son and he was taken aback but he gave him such secret information that the son had to accept this information and they opened the Late Dr Lang’s Curative International Center. So the thing started working. Many doctors who died with this kind of behaviour also started working through that organization. So now they would say that, “If you are suffering from some disease you let us know, we’ll give you the time; that time will work it out.” Exactly on that date, that time the man would start shivering, “Ho, ho, ho, that’s a bhoot I am.” Something entering into their body and the person would get rid of his troubles. But after five, six years that man would rattle like a junkie car. And now he is completely finished. I have had many patients from so-called Dr Lang’s horrible institution and it’s very difficult to cure them because they are such horrible depraved souls that they do not want to leave the body of these people. You can use these spirits for many tricks. It’s a very common thing. In our group there was a lady who was a disciple of some sort of a man like this, who used to carry a snake around and all that. She came to Me, I gave her the realization quite all right, but she was like this, not all right. So I told her, “You have to give up this horrible Guru of yours and your ambition to be one of those so-called people with power. If you accept it, then only this realization will stay, otherwise it will disappear.” She would not listen to Me. By going to America I told her, “Madam, be careful. You’ll get those powers but you should not accept them.” She said, “No, I will never accept, I do not want these dead powers, I do not want this, I want the Supreme, I want the Parama.” I said, “All right, we’ll see.” But she started getting some kumkum out of her hand and some rice out of her hand that made her think it’s a good idea. She’s started her center now, giving away things. She starting showing all sorts of magical things. It ended up by giving the number of the horse that is going to come. She used to have a big stick in her hand; she used to beat people when they came to her. She became a satanic personality, horrible face. Such horrible face she had, I mean, I could not recognize her when I came back. When they told me, when they told Me that this lady is doing all these miracles I was most embarrassed, I didn’t know what to do. And she had put up My photograph just there and I had disappeared from the photograph long time back. When I came back you know, she called Me in her house, she brought thousands of people. For such a people there are thousands because you can tell horses number naturally, you see. Here I have less but that lady had thousands. And she washed My feet and did all that. I was so embarrassed; I could see in her house all those entities moving very nicely, jeering at Me how they have captured the woman. So I told her, when she came to Me, that these are not your powers. And she got the shock of her life. I said, “Now you say what you know before Me,in my presence .” So she started telling another person, “You have a house like this, you have like that.” He said, “No, no, nothing of the kind, it’s all wrong.” So she told it to somebody else who was sitting there that, “In your office there is a man of this name.” He said, “Nothing of the kind, it’s all wrong.” So she just fell at My feet, said “Mother, have you taken away all my powers?” I told her, “Oh, My child, these were never your powers. I would have put you on My head, I would have loved you, kissed you, but these are not your powers, these are the powers of somebody else and they have disappeared like that.” She got even worse and she said, “Mother, please get rid of them.” But then, when she went back home, all her thousands of disciples waiting there to know all these things, now what a temptation. She went on and on and now she is in the lunatic asylum. And all her disciples will be filling up that Thana I see. Thana hospital is very bad. Some of the ones who were affected by her came to Me, I didn’t know what to do with them. Such a headache for Me. You can work them out in so many ways. Not only by this, but there are so many ways by which you can use these entities. But for a normal person who is sitting down there, suddenly I get a snake in My hand, “Oh, Mataji is the most powerful person here.” With My own eyes I have seen. I met an ambassador somewhere outside, he was wearing a nickel thing in his neck and he was singing the praise of the man who has given them. I said, “What for a nickel? At least you should have had a diamond. After all you are an ambassador.” He got a little, you know, hurting there. I said, “You are the cream of the nation, like a fool you are running after these nickel things? Did you go to asking for these things?” He said, “No, I went for Supreme.” Then I said, “Then why don’t you throw it on his face?” There’s another one who came to Me. They had got a diamond ring. Rich man, very, very rich and I said, “How many diamond rings you have got? Only the rich; “Huh.” “Otherwise why don’t they solve our economic problems? Easy thing, bring diamonds, solve the problems.” Now the scientists, if they want to know how I can tell them there are bhoots, they are not going to believe Me. So they bring out. This gentleman came to Me with a diamond ring, “Oh this is a diamond ring I have got”. I said, “Very nice, now what do you want from Me? I haven’t got diamonds.” He said, “No Mother, I just ask You for the Supreme.” “But why did you take the ring? You can purchase the ring in the market. How many do you have?” He says, “I have many.” “Can you purchase God in the market?” He’s a smuggler, he’s everything and the Guruji has no objections, Guruji himself drinks whisky. And the gentleman, he’s a great worshiper of the Guruji, he also drinks whisky. Guruji does not mind, as long as he passes on two or three bottles of foreign whiskey to him. And then he comes to Mataji. So Mataji asks, “Now why Me sir? What am I to do about it?” He said, “Mataji I have a problem.” I said, “What’s the problem?” “I am losing lots of diamonds.” “Oh. What about your wife?” “Oh she’s completely dedicated to him, and she goes and stays there for months together. She’s not bothered about the husband, about the children, about anything. Oh, she has dedicated herself to the Guruji!” So, the wife was brought to Me. The lady is completely possessed. “Oh God,” I said, “Now what am I to do with this woman? What question am I to ask her?” Then I took out her bhoot, did lots of things – took out. She’s a lady doctor. I asked her, “If you are a lady doctor, what have you been up to?” She said, “I don’t know. Somebody inside me tells me these are all stones, give these to Guruji.” “These are stones for you!” I said, “Mad woman, if these things are stones for you, for a married woman diamonds are stones, so they should be dust for that Guruji of yours who claims he’s a Sanyasi! Why are you giving him these stones? And did you tell your husband?” She said, “No, I never told him. He was about to report it to the police and the Guruji would have been in difficulty.” But despite all that and the husband getting heart attack thrice, they came to Me again for the curing of the husband. Diamonds disappearing but the wife cannot get rid of the gentleman at all. They are so possessed – very difficult. And thousands of them will run after such a man because it’s very easy to hypnotize. Even they can look at you and hypnotize you. Hypnosis is a simple mass hypnosis which they have mastered, which they are using on people and working it out this way and people are running after them. And whenever you ask anyone of them they will say, “No, we didn’t ask for diamonds.” Why are you impressed by him? Did he give anybody realization? Anybody has got Chaitanya? Does he talk of Kundalini; does he know anything about parasympathetic nervous system? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He just says that, “I’m God”, very nicefair enough. And we all should accept it, anybody saying that, “I am God”? There should be somepramaan pramas [premises?]. This is one style. There are many like this. Surprisingly, Christ was a man who… Of course Nanaka has written, I must say Nanaka has written such a lot against them, thank God. I hope the Sikh people are not running after such people, I hope so. But Kabir has written, Tukaram has written. Kabir has lashed these people with threatening and this and that, lashed them completely. But who reads Kabir? These pishachas [demons], these rakshasas [evils], have been lashed by so many poets of this country. They have told not to go near these people who divert your attention from the subtle to the grossest things. But nobody reads them. So they go to other styles of people. Now Christ was one incarnation who has clearly told that you have nothing to do with spirits, with the dead. But all the Christian nations are ‘religiously’ spirit worshippers – religiously. In London, you go four steps and you find one spiritualist sitting there. I’m not telling you falsehood, we have some English people – they’ll tell you. You can ask them, all kinds of spiritualists. Even among Christians there are Pentecostals who get possessed, and they say that the Holy Spirit has descended upon them. Tantricas started this in India about sixth century. It has gone to such a foolish nonsense that in the temples of Mahalakshmi in Bombay they are having this kind of a nonsense going on there. And when I told the trustees that, “You stop all this otherwise I will not come to your temple to address”, they would not listen. They said, “How can we? That’s how we gather crowds. People, these cretin women, these working women, they get possessed, they start doing “ho, ho, ho, ho”, people come and ask them some questions.” That Mahalakshmi has some sense or not that is she going to come to thesecretin cretin women who are doing all kinds of things there? Some of them are prostitutes. Is She going to enter into the body of these people to tell you the questions, “What your father is going to get tomorrow?” Is that the interest of God? Use your brains. Why God should be interested in such useless, worthless, momentarily existing things? How can you connect it with God? I cannot understand by what intellect you connect it. And very great scientists, you see, are trying to discover and investigate.That that is their attitude. So, we have types and types. I’ve told you in London we have many types. Scientology, another thing they started in America. God! But what is the ulterior motive of this is? One is power, one is money. It’s all a money making proposition. When I say that you cannot pay anything for your salvation, people get a shock of their live. They cannot understand a Mother’s love; they cannot, that a Mother can work like this, morning till evening, just to give us salvation. They cannot think of a personality like that, impossible, that she doesn’t ask for anything. It’s impossible for them to believe. In America I went there, people said that, “Such and such person is charging 275 dollars for introducing one bhoot into people. What about you? Why don’t you charge when you are giving people the Reality?” I said “How much can you give Me? How much have you got? What is the value? You put Me in the balance, can you sell your Mother?” I said, “You have asked Me once, never raise such a question to insult Me. All right, you have to build a place. Supposing we want to have a place for meeting place, all right, you have to pay for this pandal. Alright collect money, have a pandal. But you cannot have Realization with money.”We have to understand one small thing, that supposing I say, “All right come My son, live in My house without paying any money, nothing, you just live like a parasite”, will you accept? Anyone one of you, will you accept? And these parasites are living on your money, other people’s money. Every cloth that they have, every morsel that they eat, every house they have, every Mercedes they ride, belongs to others. The society which permits such parasites will get parasites. It is what we have deserved. Why should we pay for God? I cannot understand. Already we have had many of these pundits and these thugs sitting in like pundas (pundits). And then the archbishops of the Thugs have come as Bhagwans and Gods with all the special knowledge of how to befool, and we the simple householders, and these the parasites who call themselves as the Sadhus and the Sanyasis, living on our earnings, why should we pay them? Why do you pay to these Sadhus and Sanyasis? Sitaji has very clearly told that, “Have nothing to do with Kashaya’s – nothing to do with the Bhagwans, and no Sadhu should stay in a village for more than two days and one night.” She has said, “No woman should have a man as a Guru”, because Adi Shakti, Sita Herself, was deceived by this horrible Ravana, who is born today, who is a Bhagwan these day, you don’t know him. You will know him by his tricks, by the methods, the way he threatened Sitaji that, “If you do not accept my proposals I’m going to make your Indian women naked” and he’s doing it. And we are seeing with our open eyes that photos are blown up and sold in America and the fellow is a multi-millionaire. And I don’t know what the income tax is doing here. It’s a fact. We are very passive people, I must say, in this respect. Why can’t we find it out? Is it our culture? This can be done also, nice cabaret show arranged free of cost and people enjoy, you see. They talk very much because, after all, you see, in the name of religion and God you want to bring prostitution? You want to kill the Dharma? You want to make everybody a Satan? No use killing these horrid people, they have been killed many a times and are again back here. I can only appeal to your senses and to your dignity that try to understand and rise. Then, we see the other side. You see there are many styles which I cannot go into details and nothing so important. Better to talk of God than to talk of these horrid people. On the other side of the human beings lies the supra-conscious, what they call ‘supra-mental’ and all these names are given. On the right-hand side there the people who are extra dynamic exist. They are also used by some people. For example, it’s better to give them, these entities – some names of God. For example they’ll give a name, say, of Ram. We say, “Oh, we must take the name of Ram.” They are taking name, “Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram.” Now we must understand. What is our right to call Ram? Is He our servant? That we go, “Oh Ram, come here! Look after my father’s health, give me food, supply these, do this.” Is He our servant? He’s Shri Rama the incarnation of God. You want to call Him just like this? What is your right to call Him, “Ram, Ram, Ram”? Because the great saints have said, “Sumi Rana Karo”, so we are doing Sumi Rana. Is it Sumi Rana? Do you have that heart to do Sumi Rana?

Beyond Human Consciousness – Delhi (India), 23 February 1977 And I already spoke on Kundalini yesterday for two hours. Those who want to hear My speech can arrange it with Mr. Rai and can come sometime and listen to it. But today, after telling you about the three powers which govern our autonomous nervous system and the seven centres which look after all our autonomous behaviour, which are the milestones of our evolutionary different stages… The centres carry the symbols of deities who are responsible for our evolution, who have helped us to evolve by leading us, by giving us a leadership. The whole action has been sahaj. As I have told you yesterday, ‘Sahaja’: ‘Saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’, born with you. In a seed, the complete map of the tree and all the trees that are coming in future is microscopically placed. In the same way, in our being, the complete map was placed. We have crossed quite a long distance to be human beings from the state of amoeba or even earlier. Today I’m going to tell you about what lies around the normal human consciousness.We have to understand man in his complete totality. It is very necessary to know all that is unknown, because whatever that is unknown is not Divine. We should not mistake everything that is unknown as a Divine force. And to understand the complete totality of man you have to open your mind, listen to Me like a scientist would listen or understand a hypothesis, and later on if you are realized – if you are; that is a very big “if” with some people, with some people it is not – you all can testify, you can find out, but as a scientist you must have an open mind. If you are a fanatic, even if you are science-obsessed person, you cannot understand. Science does not know anything of love; it does not know anything of religion. It does not know anything of incarnations. But it can be proved today that there exists a force which is the synthesis of all the forces that are working. And there exists the all-pervading power of Divine love. But for that, you have to be a subtler personality. With this gross human attention, you cannot realize it. You have to be a subtler being and to be that subtle being you are already blessed with a mechanism that works out this happening spontaneously. It is Sahaja, spontaneous, effortless. Somebody has to trigger it. Yesterday I have told, quite elaborately, all the chakras and their names and their deities and all the three forces, but today I’m going to tell you what lies beyond these lines, beyond the human awareness. Is a subject of psychology, you can say, though psychology is such a child’s science and the knowledge is so limited because they are probing from outside. It’s an objective knowledge in the sense that you come from outside and see things. You grope at something and you say, “This is this.” Then you grope at another thing and say, “This is this.” You have heard the story of six blind men trying to understand an elephant. As I told you yesterday that there can be a method by which you can put the light on and one can see clearly the complete, the total picture of man. In this picture I’ve not been able to show that part but in the human mind, as you all know, there are different strata’s of consciousness. Now you are listening to Me, paying attention to Me, your Chitta is towards Me. This attention is the conscious mind. You know that you are conscious of what I’m speaking. Moment to moment you are listening to Me. This present moment now, at this moment, this moment as it is, it’s slipping, is becoming the past and the future is coming in you. Every moment is disappearing and a new moment is coming. You cannot stop the present; you cannot stop your attention at present. Now, to be at this moment, you cannot be, that’s the difficulty. You either think of the past or of the future, but you cannot think of the present, of this moment. So, we have our past and our future, in a simple work. The past, they call it as subconscious mind. Subconscious mind, they call it as psyche sometimes. I don’t know what do they mean by psyche, they are so confused, but we have a subconscious strata, in which we store all that we collect, experiences, conditionings, everything. This work is done by the left-hand side channel, known as Ida Nadi, which is worked by the power of Mahakali. Now this word should not shock all the English knowing scientists. This Mahakali power works with storing of all the experiences, all the thoughts that are coming to you from the present into the past, is done by Mahakali power. Thinking of the future, planning of the future, organizing the future is done by the right-hand side power of Mahasaraswati which acts through the Pingala channel. In the gross form they are expressed left and right sympathetic nervous systems. But for a doctor, both the systems act simultaneously. They are so interconnected that it is very difficult for them to verify two different functions which are allotted to them because the ways and methods are so gross. The left side attends to our emotional being, the lower left side to our physical. We can say psychosomatic side. The right side – the lower to our physical being and the upper right side to our thinking. The center channel of Sushumna is a completely independent system which works out our sustenance. In the beginning, when a person wants to drink, he wants, all the parasympathetic activities are performed through the subtle action of this channel known as Sushumna and the power that acts is known as Mahalakshmi. This power evolves us, it gives us Dharma, is a sustenance. The complete periodic table, if you have studied chemistry, is amazingly organized. The carbon is placed as a tetravalent element, with four hands just like a Ganesha. I do not want to go into the details of the periodic table but it is so well organized that every atom of every element has to have the last circle with eight protons. If there are less or if there are more than four, they either become the negative or the positive element. What a tremendous planning it is. And when we say there is no God, we must understand such a tremendous planning could not have been achieved by just chance. It doesn’t work out by that law of chance. Alright forget about God, because suddenly if you talk of God the scientists get a shock. But He exists and these are His three powers which perform these three actions in our being. By the first we build up our past, by the second we build up our future and by the center, the Sushumna Nadi we exist in the conscious mind. The problem of future and past is created for human beings by a special method, as I told you yesterday, that this brain assumes a shape of a prism and that when these powers enter into the brain on both the sides they lose part of it. The one that enters from the right-hand side passes to the left-hand, losing something on the left-hand side. This one is the Mahakali power which loses outside, this one is the reaction to the past. You see someone, I see this gentleman, suddenly I remember of My past experiences with him. The whole past of him comes to Me through that part. And as a reaction I develop a superego, a conditioning in My brain, which I have shown on the other side like a balloon. I’ll give you a simple example to understand the superego and the ego, how it develops in a little child. A child is nursed by the mother and he’s in complete joy, one with the mother, enjoying fully. Suddenly the mother removes the child from one side to another side, he doesn’t like it. The child doesn’t like and he puts down his foot there. That is the development of ego. He asserts himself. Ego develops gradually on the left side in the brain but comes forward. When the child is then corrected by mother, she says, “Don’t do, don’t do like this”, he is conditioned. By that, he accepts it, and the superego as a reaction develops on the right-hand side of the brain from this side and covers it gradually, at the age of about twelve years because language is another way by which they are strengthened. And here, when they meet completely, a man is made into an egg, an articulation takes place, everyone develops a separate personality. He is Mr So-and-So, he is Mr So-and-So, he is Mr So-and-So and the misidentification starts. There are many misidentifications we suffer from; we call them ‘mythia’. We know they are myth, our name. I’ve known people, somebody’s name was Dharamdhar and he was the greatest adharmi ever born. There are so many misidentifications. We are attached to our name. If somebody says that, “You Mr So-and-So, you are a very bad man”, one feels very hurt and bad you see, your anger comes up, “What do you say? This was ‘my’ name.” We are attached to so many misidentifications all our lives. The mythia syths starts collecting and we become covered with so much of that misidentification. Our ego and superego completely overlap all our wisdom.So the ego is created as a by-product I can say, or you can say by the over activity of the right hand side channel. The fumes of that activity, like in a factory you see, are collecting the ego. And the activity of the left hand side collects the superego. And that’s how you have ego and superego developed in your brain. So that is how the human being is. He has got his Mahakali power which is looking after his subconscious activity, his Mahasaraswati power which is looking after the supra-conscious activity, and his Mahalakshmi power which is looking after the conscious activity. Now, there are regions which lie beyond this, about which we are not aware. On the left hand side, beyond the Mahakali region, lies the collective subconscious mind. The collective subconscious mind where all that is dead is collected, that is the collective subconscious. Beyond the Mahasaraswati channel, beyond this region, lies the collective supra-conscious mind. We are part of that also though we are not conscious of it. We are not conscious of it so we can call it as still unconscious to us. Now, beyond the central path of Sushumna, beyond the conscious mind, lies the collective consciousness. That is the all-pervading consciousness which we know as Sat-Chit- Anand. It is all-pervading. Below the Mooladhara Chakra, which I have shown you there down below, lies the most fearful area of hell. It exists. It is there. We maybe not believe in it but it is there and it can be proved. In the collective subconscious, as I have told you, when we die we get into it, normally, not abnormally but normally. Those people who have been extremely unhappy in life, who have been tortured and suppressed, who are being made very miserable and have a malice burning in their hearts, when they die they still have the vindictiveness and they want to make everyone else a miserable personality. They can’t see happiness around. Such people, even if when they die they linger along in this area, which is not gone into the collective subconscious. The collective subconscious receives a normal personality who has just accepted death as a transition. Actually, when we die we really do not die. Only part of us, the earth element drops down, and part of the water element also. But the rest of the elements that form this body, the different koshas plus the Kundalini that goes out and the Atma that rises, all that put together as soul you can call it, all that goes into the collective subconscious and starts going smaller and smaller, into the area of that collective subconscious, where it is to be placed for getting smaller and smaller. But the people who die, as I told you, as the great sufferers with great desires and lust, very depraved and debased people, who indulge in alcoholism and drugs and sex, who make their life miserable, who are violent to themselves and not to others, who are not aggressive but are aggressed, who commit suicide, they do not go to the appointed place, they stick on around and some of them are really busybodies. They try to torture other souls. All the mental cases that you find in this world, suffer from the obsession or the possession by these entities. We call them as bhoot and pishacha. You may not believe it because people don’t believe in bhoots. You believe it or not but they exist. These people are not ambitious people but they are sly, they are mysterious but they are afraid. So they try to find out this type of people, they enter into the psyche of such people and they make them even worse. They make their lives miserable and they make such a person absolutely abnormal. When the psychology starts treating such abnormal people they perhaps do not know what they are up to. The psychologists, when they get in contact with such abnormal people, they themselves are influenced or contaminated. They catch from these depraved and debased, lusty, sexy people, and they themselves become so abnormal. Because they seldom have any relationship with normal people then they start putting up theories absolutely abnormal. An abnormal personality is made as a normal personality and is made to be accepted by everyone. So they start with the theory that you should not suppress your desires, you should become very expressive and absolutely liberated as far as these desires are concerned. All right, go ahead. But they are not aware of the other side of the human beings that those who do like this can get into the other trap and can become egoistical. It starts as a trip of their ego then they become so egoistical that they forget what is saint, what is God, what is holiness. That is what has happened in the Western countries. Perhaps maybe the war, in the war so many people were killed like that, they must have possessed these people. And such patients must have gone to these psychologists and these psychologists must have come out with these unique ideas of psyche being conditioned if you tell them about religion. Psyche is conditioned, no doubt. If you all the time tell the child, “Don’t do this, don’t do that”, the child gets conditioned, no doubt. If you discipline a person too much, he might get conditioned, no doubt. But if you are a model yourself, if the father and mother both are the models of goodness then the child accepts it without being conditioned. This is the central path of evolution. That’s why I say that the family is the most important unit of every nation. All efforts must be done to retain the holiness, the respect and the greatness of marriage institution. That’s why all the incarnations have been married people. And even the Gurus, like Guru Nanak and all these people, have been married and have been leading a normal married life. You go to the West and you are surprised at the tomfoolery and the stupidity to which they are taking. You cannot believe how foolish they have become. We don’t have to learn anything from them in this respect. They have broken their families; they have divorced their wives. Alright, now women have divorced their husbands. Ten men divorcing ten women, marrying each other all the time, ending up in a anahatal [unsure-endlessness] and the children have taken to drugs. What a nice society. The husband comes home the wife has disappeared, taking a divorce saying, “I didn’t like my husband, there was no compatibility.” And the psychologists are very nicely helping them to build up a society of chaos and the religion has been thrown to waste because they think it conditions people. It will if it is a false religion, if it is a suppression. For example Christianity never preached such things that these people are following. Christ never talked of sanyasa sanyasa of any kind. He Himself was a great celibate born personality. He was an incarnation. But his Mother was married and He attended marriages. But the Roman Catholics started a suppressed type of institution where they preached complete celibacy. Martin Luther came in, he said, “No, this is wrong, it should be spontaneous.” He was correct. At that point he was correct but he went wrong that he did not recognize Mother of Christ. That was the greatest mistake because from where do you get the sense of celibacy, from where do you get the sense of holiness, in what relationship – In the Mother and the Son. That’s how Christianity has gone to the dogs, in that country. As I told you yesterday, they are making a picture of sex of Jesus Christ. Can you imagine such a picture? Can you tolerate in this country? So we have people who are teaching us who are actually possessed. Most of the psychologists are possessed and they deal only with abnormal people and they cannot normalize these ideas for the normal people. But by doing that they have created abnormal personalities and you can find all kinds of absurd things in that country. That a ninety year old woman having a love affair with a nineteen year old boy. Can you think of such a thing in this country? Is a common thing there. There is a law in England imagine and England is such a traditional place that a father cannot have bad relations with the daughter and that the mother cannot have with the son. A ‘law’, we don’t need a law like that. I mean we cannot have a law that you cannot eat the filth. You do not make law like that. I mean, human beings know that. But they have a law.Now, the trouble is they are asking, imagine, thanks to the psychologists, they are asking that this law should be taken away so that they should be made free to do what they like in this respect. What do you say to this? You can’t believe it but it is so. There was a minister here, Mr Vidya Rao, he went to America and he gave Me a terrible experience when I was going to America. He said, “Don’t go there; they will never understand you, Mother. Please don’t go.” I said, “What happened?” He said, “I went down to see my daughter. She was away, living away from the main city, so I said, ‘I’ll stay over here with her.’ So the landlady said, ‘No you can’t do that with your father.’ She said, ‘What’?’ ‘No, no, he can’t stay. Any other man can stay but not your father.’ She said, ‘You can’t sleep with her.’ She gave her a big slap. But this man said such filth. Where they think doing so wee.” He cannot understand these things just now. They also never understood this thanks to these psychologists who never accepted… Thank God we do not know so much of English to read that psychology of theirs. The way they are ruining these innocent people by their preaching! They are worse than all the horrible preachers ever known. With a very little knowledge of this Kundalini on the left hand side, they have ruined such a great place, such great people. So many saints are born in that America and England. Oh I weep to see all that. They are all ruined by these people, by telling them these stories which they call as freedom and disciplining their thoughts was conditioning. But disciplining through a model they could not understand. Now, I will tell you how in our country also people have used these entities. We had the greatest saints and the greatest incarnations in this country, no doubt, I agree, but we have the greatest thugs also, the two extremes. On the other side also we have the supra-conscious people die. I’ll put them together and tell you all the various types of things they do. The people who are great planners and great sort of thinking all the time, “What am I going to do this, what am I going to do that” and they cannot fulfil their desires and they are sort of absolutely identified with their desires and very egoistical. They are power drunk about women also. They want to have many women around; women want to have many men around. All kinds of things you see, all these complicated types. They are not satisfied with one wife or one husband these sort of people, all abnormal. And also those who think that, like Napoleon you see, these kind of egoistical people who think no end of themselves and try to identify themselves with their false ambitions, like Hitler. When they die, they go to the other side, on the right-hand side, the supra-conscious. They are very dynamic people and they are the people who are very aggressive. They can also possess you. And you do not know how you get possessed by them. So, there are two types of people: one the depraved and another, the aggressive. So the thugs, who are always waiting for an opportunity to learn, use these entities for their own purpose. You want Me to tell how they do it, that would be bit too much. They have a way, they work in the samshana smashana [cemeteries] known as a bhoot vidya,samshana smashana vidya, preta vidya, I know everything, but you need not know. They capture those entities and control them by controlling some of their parts of their bodies, especially the skull and all that.We had one Ananda Margi you know that and more will be coming forward. You’ll see them one after, they’ll be exposed gradually. So these people capture the entities in their power, some the supra-conscious and some the subconscious, and they try to capture the people through that. We have had, say, Ravana. Ravana had a capacity to hypnotize. All hypnosis, all what you call this ESP, all these extra things are done by these entities who can be bhoots, can be depraved, can be very bad. In London there is an organization known as Late Doctor Lang’s International Curative Center. ‘Late’, he is dead. So the Curative Center is working. This Dr Lang, when he died, he had discovered something which he wanted that he should implement immediately. I mean, this is written in their pamphlet, imagine. It is open; they are not making a sort of a ‘thugee’. They do not call it ‘God’ and all that, thank God. Others call it ‘God’, but they openly say, “No it is not, it is a spirit.” So the spirit of Dr Lang entered into the body of one soldier fighting in Vietnam. This they have written already on their pamphlet, it’s not My own. And that spirit told this man that, “You go and tell my son that I am so-and-so and that you open the clinic, the surgery.” So the man possessed with this spirit went down and told the son and he was taken aback but he gave him such secret information that the son had to accept this information and they opened the Late Dr Lang’s Curative International Center. So the thing started working. Many doctors who died with this kind of behaviour also started working through that organization. So now they would say that, “If you are suffering from some disease you let us know, we’ll give you the time; that time will work it out.” Exactly on that date, that time the man would start shivering, “Ho, ho, ho, that’s a bhoot I am.” Something entering into their body and the person would get rid of his troubles. But after five, six years that man would rattle like a junkie car. And now he is completely finished. I have had many patients from so-called Dr Lang’s horrible institution and it’s very difficult to cure them because they are such horrible depraved souls that they do not want to leave the body of these people. You can use these spirits for many tricks. It’s a very common thing. In our group there was a lady who was a disciple of some sort of a man like this, who used to carry a snake around and all that. She came to Me, I gave her the realization quite all right, but she was like this, not all right. So I told her, “You have to give up this horrible Guru of yours and your ambition to be one of those so-called people with power. If you accept it, then only this realization will stay, otherwise it will disappear.” She would not listen to Me. By going to America I told her, “Madam, be careful. You’ll get those powers but you should not accept them.” She said, “No, I will never accept, I do not want these dead powers, I do not want this, I want the Supreme, I want the Parama.” I said, “All right, we’ll see.” But she started getting some kumkum out of her hand and some rice out of her hand that made her think it’s a good idea. She’s started her center now, giving away things. She starting showing all sorts of magical things. It ended up by giving the number of the horse that is going to come. She used to have a big stick in her hand; she used to beat people when they came to her. She became a satanic personality, horrible face. Such horrible face she had, I mean, I could not recognize her when I came back. When they told me, when they told Me that this lady is doing all these miracles I was most embarrassed, I didn’t know what to do. And she had put up My photograph just there and I had disappeared from the photograph long time back. When I came back you know, she called Me in her house, she brought thousands of people. For such a people there are thousands because you can tell horses number naturally, you see. Here I have less but that lady had thousands. And she washed My feet and did all that. I was so embarrassed; I could see in her house all those entities moving very nicely, jeering at Me how they have captured the woman. So I told her, when she came to Me, that these are not your powers. And she got the shock of her life. I said, “Now you say what you know before Me,in my presence .” So she started telling another person, “You have a house like this, you have like that.” He said, “No, no, nothing of the kind, it’s all wrong.” So she told it to somebody else who was sitting there that, “In your office there is a man of this name.” He said, “Nothing of the kind, it’s all wrong.” So she just fell at My feet, said “Mother, have you taken away all my powers?” I told her, “Oh, My child, these were never your powers. I would have put you on My head, I would have loved you, kissed you, but these are not your powers, these are the powers of somebody else and they have disappeared like that.” She got even worse and she said, “Mother, please get rid of them.” But then, when she went back home, all her thousands of disciples waiting there to know all these things, now what a temptation. She went on and on and now she is in the lunatic asylum. And all her disciples will be filling up that Thana I see. Thana hospital is very bad. Some of the ones who were affected by her came to Me, I didn’t know what to do with them. Such a headache for Me. You can work them out in so many ways. Not only by this, but there are so many ways by which you can use these entities. But for a normal person who is sitting down there, suddenly I get a snake in My hand, “Oh, Mataji is the most powerful person here.” With My own eyes I have seen. I met an ambassador somewhere outside, he was wearing a nickel thing in his neck and he was singing the praise of the man who has given them. I said, “What for a nickel? At least you should have had a diamond. After all you are an ambassador.” He got a little, you know, hurting there. I said, “You are the cream of the nation, like a fool you are running after these nickel things? Did you go to asking for these things?” He said, “No, I went for Supreme.” Then I said, “Then why don’t you throw it on his face?” There’s another one who came to Me. They had got a diamond ring. Rich man, very, very rich and I said, “How many diamond rings you have got? Only the rich; “Huh.” “Otherwise why don’t they solve our economic problems? Easy thing, bring diamonds, solve the problems.” Now the scientists, if they want to know how I can tell them there are bhoots, they are not going to believe Me. So they bring out. This gentleman came to Me with a diamond ring, “Oh this is a diamond ring I have got”. I said, “Very nice, now what do you want from Me? I haven’t got diamonds.” He said, “No Mother, I just ask You for the Supreme.” “But why did you take the ring? You can purchase the ring in the market. How many do you have?” He says, “I have many.” “Can you purchase God in the market?” He’s a smuggler, he’s everything and the Guruji has no objections, Guruji himself drinks whisky. And the gentleman, he’s a great worshiper of the Guruji, he also drinks whisky. Guruji does not mind, as long as he passes on two or three bottles of foreign whiskey to him. And then he comes to Mataji. So Mataji asks, “Now why Me sir? What am I to do about it?” He said, “Mataji I have a problem.” I said, “What’s the problem?” “I am losing lots of diamonds.” “Oh. What about your wife?” “Oh she’s completely dedicated to him, and she goes and stays there for months together. She’s not bothered about the husband, about the children, about anything. Oh, she has dedicated herself to the Guruji!” So, the wife was brought to Me. The lady is completely possessed. “Oh God,” I said, “Now what am I to do with this woman? What question am I to ask her?” Then I took out her bhoot, did lots of things – took out. She’s a lady doctor. I asked her, “If you are a lady doctor, what have you been up to?” She said, “I don’t know. Somebody inside me tells me these are all stones, give these to Guruji.” “These are stones for you!” I said, “Mad woman, if these things are stones for you, for a married woman diamonds are stones, so they should be dust for that Guruji of yours who claims he’s a Sanyasi! Why are you giving him these stones? And did you tell your husband?” She said, “No, I never told him. He was about to report it to the police and the Guruji would have been in difficulty.” But despite all that and the husband getting heart attack thrice, they came to Me again for the curing of the husband. Diamonds disappearing but the wife cannot get rid of the gentleman at all. They are so possessed – very difficult. And thousands of them will run after such a man because it’s very easy to hypnotize. Even they can look at you and hypnotize you. Hypnosis is a simple mass hypnosis which they have mastered, which they are using on people and working it out this way and people are running after them. And whenever you ask anyone of them they will say, “No, we didn’t ask for diamonds.” Why are you impressed by him? Did he give anybody realization? Anybody has got Chaitanya? Does he talk of Kundalini; does he know anything about parasympathetic nervous system? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He just says that, “I’m God”, very nicefair enough. And we all should accept it, anybody saying that, “I am God”? There should be somepramaan pramas [premises?]. This is one style. There are many like this. Surprisingly, Christ was a man who… Of course Nanaka has written, I must say Nanaka has written such a lot against them, thank God. I hope the Sikh people are not running after such people, I hope so. But Kabir has written, Tukaram has written. Kabir has lashed these people with threatening and this and that, lashed them completely. But who reads Kabir? These pishachas [demons], these rakshasas [evils], have been lashed by so many poets of this country. They have told not to go near these people who divert your attention from the subtle to the grossest things. But nobody reads them. So they go to other styles of people. Now Christ was one incarnation who has clearly told that you have nothing to do with spirits, with the dead. But all the Christian nations are ‘religiously’ spirit worshippers – religiously. In London, you go four steps and you find one spiritualist sitting there. I’m not telling you falsehood, we have some English people – they’ll tell you. You can ask them, all kinds of spiritualists. Even among Christians there are Pentecostals who get possessed, and they say that the Holy Spirit has descended upon them. Tantricas started this in India about sixth century. It has gone to such a foolish nonsense that in the temples of Mahalakshmi in Bombay they are having this kind of a nonsense going on there. And when I told the trustees that, “You stop all this otherwise I will not come to your temple to address”, they would not listen. They said, “How can we? That’s how we gather crowds. People, these cretin women, these working women, they get possessed, they start doing “ho, ho, ho, ho”, people come and ask them some questions.” That Mahalakshmi has some sense or not that is she going to come to thesecretin cretin women who are doing all kinds of things there? Some of them are prostitutes. Is She going to enter into the body of these people to tell you the questions, “What your father is going to get tomorrow?” Is that the interest of God? Use your brains. Why God should be interested in such useless, worthless, momentarily existing things? How can you connect it with God? I cannot understand by what intellect you connect it. And very great scientists, you see, are trying to discover and investigate.That that is their attitude. So, we have types and types. I’ve told you in London we have many types. Scientology, another thing they started in America. God! But what is the ulterior motive of this is? One is power, one is money. It’s all a money making proposition. When I say that you cannot pay anything for your salvation, people get a shock of their live. They cannot understand a Mother’s love; they cannot, that a Mother can work like this, morning till evening, just to give us salvation. They cannot think of a personality like that, impossible, that she doesn’t ask for anything. It’s impossible for them to believe. In America I went there, people said that, “Such and such person is charging 275 dollars for introducing one bhoot into people. What about you? Why don’t you charge when you are giving people the Reality?” I said “How much can you give Me? How much have you got? What is the value? You put Me in the balance, can you sell your Mother?” I said, “You have asked Me once, never raise such a question to insult Me. All right, you have to build a place. Supposing we want to have a place for meeting place, all right, you have to pay for this pandal. Alright collect money, have a pandal. But you cannot have Realization with money.”We have to understand one small thing, that supposing I say, “All right come My son, live in My house without paying any money, nothing, you just live like a parasite”, will you accept? Anyone one of you, will you accept? And these parasites are living on your money, other people’s money. Every cloth that they have, every morsel that they eat, every house they have, every Mercedes they ride, belongs to others. The society which permits such parasites will get parasites. It is what we have deserved. Why should we pay for God? I cannot understand. Already we have had many of these pundits and these thugs sitting in like pundas (pundits). And then the archbishops of the Thugs have come as Bhagwans and Gods with all the special knowledge of how to befool, and we the simple householders, and these the parasites who call themselves as the Sadhus and the Sanyasis, living on our earnings, why should we pay them? Why do you pay to these Sadhus and Sanyasis? Sitaji has very clearly told that, “Have nothing to do with Kashaya’s – nothing to do with the Bhagwans, and no Sadhu should stay in a village for more than two days and one night.” She has said, “No woman should have a man as a Guru”, because Adi Shakti, Sita Herself, was deceived by this horrible Ravana, who is born today, who is a Bhagwan these day, you don’t know him. You will know him by his tricks, by the methods, the way he threatened Sitaji that, “If you do not accept my proposals I’m going to make your Indian women naked” and he’s doing it. And we are seeing with our open eyes that photos are blown up and sold in America and the fellow is a multi-millionaire. And I don’t know what the income tax is doing here. It’s a fact. We are very passive people, I must say, in this respect. Why can’t we find it out? Is it our culture? This can be done also, nice cabaret show arranged free of cost and people enjoy, you see. They talk very much because, after all, you see, in the name of religion and God you want to bring prostitution? You want to kill the Dharma? You want to make everybody a Satan? No use killing these horrid people, they have been killed many a times and are again back here. I can only appeal to your senses and to your dignity that try to understand and rise. Then, we see the other side. You see there are many styles which I cannot go into details and nothing so important. Better to talk of God than to talk of these horrid people. On the other side of the human beings lies the supra-conscious, what they call ‘supra-mental’ and all these names are given. On the right-hand side there the people who are extra dynamic exist. They are also used by some people. For example, it’s better to give them, these entities – some names of God. For example they’ll give a name, say, of Ram. We say, “Oh, we must take the name of Ram.” They are taking name, “Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram.” Now we must understand. What is our right to call Ram? Is He our servant? That we go, “Oh Ram, come here! Look after my father’s health, give me food, supply these, do this.” Is He our servant? He’s Shri Rama the incarnation of God. You want to call Him just like this? What is your right to call Him, “Ram, Ram, Ram”? Because the great saints have said, “Sumi Rana Karo”, so we are doing Sumi Rana. Is it Sumi Rana? Do you have that heart to do Sumi Rana?

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Birthday Puja: Understanding Sahaja Yoga Through Heart

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54th Birthday Puja, Understanding Sahaja Yoga Through Heart Mumbai (India), March 21st, 1977 … the most honorable sahaja yogi, Justice Vaidya, and his most loving wife. Mr. Bakshi, (…tape interruption…) Dhumal, Mr. Gavin Brown who is an archeologist, Dr. Pramila Sharma, who is a Professor of Hindi and is a Master of Kabira’s literature, and then Mrs. Jane Brown who is a geologist, they are from Cambridge University; and our wise chairman Mr. Zachre, also the gracious singer Mrs. Shobha Gotu who has been very kind to come and sing, and in Marathi she said: "I am unable to do anything else, so Mother, I will just sing two bhajans for You." All the sahaja yogis who have come here, all the other people who have joined us here, who are celebrating this earthly birthday of Mine, I am very thankful, very grateful and I am filled with great joy and happiness. And my vibrations are flowing from My eyes as tears to see that, in this Kaliyuga also, there are people who are grateful to a Mother who just gives a abstract thing known as vibrations. Actually I do not give you, I cannot give or take, you’ll be surprised. It’s just emitted through me. It is my ‘swabhava’ [innate nature]. It has to be that way, I can’t help it. It is a ‘being’ that is being. You cannot make it something else. It acts on its own; it goes on working. It is beyond Me to control Myself from loving all of you. I do not know how people learn to hate. I haven’t got sufficient time even to love people. I find twenty-four hours much less! I do not know how people sit down and manipulate and think in a ice-cold manner how to be hateful. Hatred has no power but of destruction - of yourself and others. On this day I would request you to think of love all the time. Love is all knowledge. Knowledge is all love. There’s nothing beyond them. If you have knowledge, it has to pass the test of love. If you know a person, it makes no record on you because you know him from outside. But if you love a person, then you know the person out and out. You know him so well, you know him everything, the way he is. It is this knowledge that is what we call is the ‘para’ [beyond] knowledge. That is the knowledge we have to seek. All these books are only signaling towards that. They are the milestones, which are telling us, “Go ahead, go ahead.” They do not solve the problem of entering into the kingdom of God. I request you that you all should come to the stage of understanding the Divine within you, the love of God that is within you, which is trying to overflow from you, and enjoy the sense of emitting and giving. Giving has the greatest joy and pleasure. There is no pleasure in taking. And when you receive it, you start giving. You have heard Dhumal talking about how he has done work in Rahuri. In Rahuri, when I was going to Rahuri University, the people in the nearby village knew that our car will be going that way. They are ordinary villagers. They have never read any Yoga; they don’t understand anything more about vibrations than these feelings that you get. It’s a subjective knowledge. It has no words. It’s a subjective experience, which you feel on your fingers, in your being - the bliss of God. And as I was going, I just felt a jerk in the car, because so many people were just lying on the road and some were standing on the road stopping the car, and they started shouting My ‘jai’ [Victory]. I was wonderstruck! I said, “How did you know that I was in this car?” He said, “Mataji, You have given us vibrations. We knew this was the car, which was bringing us vibrations. So, now You have to get down here.” I just got down; I embraced all of them, and our sahaja yogis were waiting at the other end. I said, “ Doesn’t matter.” This is what is Sahaja - such loving people! And at that time, I just thought of how once with Rama - how you felt those things with people, with very simple people, of very simple heart with ‘Shraddha’ [Faith], how they had those feelings of receiving your love and feeling it. Everyone needs love in this world; you cannot exist without love. Your whole being is based on love. And I wish all of you in this country to understand that unless and until there is love in your heart, don’t try to do anything outside because if you do it you will be found out in no time. Every human being understands what is love. There are lots of things that are happening within you. There are cosmic changes that are taking place today within you. I know that it’s happening. The Shri Chakra itself has descended on this Earth and already the Satya Yuga has started. This is the reason, why you are feeling these vibrations on your fingers and none of these Gurus and Rishis and all those people have mentioned these things. Because this is only possible when the Shri Chakra is brought down. It is here. You have to feel it and understand it. It is for all of you to accept it with an open heart. I do not want anything from you. What can you give me? I do not want anything, but I want My children to be happy. I pray for their happiness. I live for them and all the time, whether I am asleep or awakened or in the middle state, when they call the ‘sabhranta’, I’m just with you. Every moment you are in My thoughts. I wish all of you a very, very happy New Year today because it is Navroz and Navroz is the day when Zartosht [another name of Zarathustra] started His work on this world. He was a great sahaja yogi. He was an incarnation of Dattatreya Himself. [Not clear] has told you about Mohammad sahib. I have to tell you that He was My father [Fatima was an incarnation of Shri Mataji] and He was the incarnation of Dattatreya Himself. He was not an ordinary person. Though the people tortured His life. Every moment that He lived they tortured Him. And Hazrat Ali [The son-in-law of the prophet Mohammad] is a very, very great incarnation where only once, only once Brahmadeva has incarnated and He has incarnated as Hazrat Ali. So, these people are so great! You cannot criticize them. They are so great - every word that they have spoken is a Mantra. Everything they have told you about this ‘namaaz’, it is nothing but Kundalini ‘jagruti’ [awakening]. Mohammad Sahib has done the greatest work in Sahaja Yoga and has done the greatest advancement as far as the Kundalini jagruti is concerned. How can you criticize Him? I can’t bear to hear even a word about - against Him. I know how much He has been tortured. And the same people, today, are born in this country who are talking against Him. When you cannot reach even at His feet, why should you take such a big step? Understand what have you done in life? What have you got with yourself, that you are criticizing these great personalities? Khwaja Nizamuddin Saheb was a great Auliya [saint] – no doubt about it. And a horrible king like Khilji tried to trouble Him, and he was himself murdered! And his name has gone to the dying dust. Today, Khwaja Nizamuddin Saheb… you go and see the vibrations there! You go and see a Chisti… Chisti’s Maqbara [tomb] also at Ajmer Sharif [a town in India] – you will see the same. At Patna, you go and see Patna Saheb, where you have got our Mahavir Saheb also - vibrations are there. All these people are speaking of the same truth I am telling you. But today you can make them out. You will know who they are. Please try to humble down yourself. First of all, get this eternal truth within yourself. Let your being be that subjective instrument, to understand what is God. Don’t be driven away by few readings here and few readings there. Don’t be driven away by the small-hearted ideas and the egoistical tomfoolery that is going on - is to make fun of everyone. Oh Man! Please awaken yourself to this great occasion of understanding. This dynamic force is dying to bubble out of you. We have to change this world and transform it into a beautiful creation, because the Creator will not allow His creation to be destroyed. If you do not accept the truth, you will be destroyed. So please, please, again as a Mother, I ask you to accept the Divine truth, the Divine love and to be one with it. I wish all of you, all the sahaja yogis and all the people who are seeking God, the greatest of greatest, highest of highest achievement in the awareness of God and His love. That is what it is. Otherwise, the rest of it is all useless. Those who have sought other kind of satwik [pertaining to the central channel] or tamasik [pertaining to left channel] things in life have gone to waste. They have gone to hell and they are completely destroyed. You do not want to do that. You are simple people, ordinary people and that’s why you are the best people, because you do not suffer from any extremes. You have a very simple heart. You are leading a very religious life and a sanctified married life. This place is for the people who are in the middle path of Lord Buddha. Sahaja Yoga is the integration of all the truths of life and I can prove it to you, on the Kundalini, that what I say is the fact – is the fact. Unless and until you take Hazrat Ali’s name, your Swadishthan Chakra cannot be cured, and all the sahaja yogis know about it. And in the sahaja yogi Puja we have to take the name of Mohammed Saheb again and again and that of Hazrat Ali. And also we have to take the name of Jesus the Lord, who is the ‘Ashraya’ [Refuge] of all this world, described by Shri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita - He was the Mahavishnu. You can read it for yourself and you will be surprised that all the things described about Mahavishnu are absolutely the same as Jesus Christ was. So, I request you not to be so small-minded. You have not known the truth so far. So, try to understand it – to be subjective, to feel it, to understand it. All the books are saying the same thing as I am saying. Only thing, I can do it. I am not doing it. It is just happening. I have come on this Earth just for this ignition. This is the last point of ignition. This has to happen and this will happen. Let us see, in this country, in this beautiful Yoga Bhumi [Yoga's Land], how many people accept it. May God bless you all. Again and again I bless you. I am going to now London on the 25th and hope, all of you who have got realization in last two days, will again come to our program in Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan on Tuesday we have at 6.30. We have also a very nice center in Altamount road. You can take the address from here, on Altamount Road there is a very nice ground floor flat we have got, in front of the beauty parlour - Kamal beauty parlour or something like that. It is the flat of Miss Moraji who has kindly given us this flat for use. I hope all of you will take deeper interest into Sahaja Yog, learn all the methods and master the Kundalini. There are so many people among us who know about it and you can talk to them; even in the programs you can listen to my lectures by which you will understand. But it is not the understanding through your hearing, but it is the understanding through your heart and through your feeling of vibrations only, you can judge the Kundalini. Yesterday I have very much requested you and again I am requesting you that to understand Sahaja Yoga, you don’t need too much of brains. What you need is a heart, is a 'Shraddha-van' [with faith] heart. And if you have that, it will work out. The time has come for many flowers to be fruits. The time is there. I thank you again and again for showing this great love to Me. It’s like a… when I feel the ocean of My love, when it flows to the shores of all your hearts, the shore gives it back as a reaction. It’s a parabolic movement. When My love passes through you and comes back to Me as love, I enjoy it. It is such a beautiful experience. I mean, it is a different experience, perhaps, that cannot be coined or put into these mortal words. Thank you very much again and again. I thank all the trustees and all of you again and again. May God bless you with all His prosperity, with all His goodness, kindness and the Eternal. The Paramachaitanya should descend on you and on your awareness. (Applause)

54th Birthday Puja, Understanding Sahaja Yoga Through Heart Mumbai (India), March 21st, 1977 … the most honorable sahaja yogi, Justice Vaidya, and his most loving wife. Mr. Bakshi, (…tape interruption…) Dhumal, Mr. Gavin Brown who is an archeologist, Dr. Pramila Sharma, who is a Professor of Hindi and is a Master of Kabira’s literature, and then Mrs. Jane Brown who is a geologist, they are from Cambridge University; and our wise chairman Mr. Zachre, also the gracious singer Mrs. Shobha Gotu who has been very kind to come and sing, and in Marathi she said: "I am unable to do anything else, so Mother, I will just sing two bhajans for You." All the sahaja yogis who have come here, all the other people who have joined us here, who are celebrating this earthly birthday of Mine, I am very thankful, very grateful and I am filled with great joy and happiness. And my vibrations are flowing from My eyes as tears to see that, in this Kaliyuga also, there are people who are grateful to a Mother who just gives a abstract thing known as vibrations. Actually I do not give you, I cannot give or take, you’ll be surprised. It’s just emitted through me. It is my ‘swabhava’ [innate nature]. It has to be that way, I can’t help it. It is a ‘being’ that is being. You cannot make it something else. It acts on its own; it goes on working. It is beyond Me to control Myself from loving all of you. I do not know how people learn to hate. I haven’t got sufficient time even to love people. I find twenty-four hours much less! I do not know how people sit down and manipulate and think in a ice-cold manner how to be hateful. Hatred has no power but of destruction - of yourself and others. On this day I would request you to think of love all the time. Love is all knowledge. Knowledge is all love. There’s nothing beyond them. If you have knowledge, it has to pass the test of love. If you know a person, it makes no record on you because you know him from outside. But if you love a person, then you know the person out and out. You know him so well, you know him everything, the way he is. It is this knowledge that is what we call is the ‘para’ [beyond] knowledge. That is the knowledge we have to seek. All these books are only signaling towards that. They are the milestones, which are telling us, “Go ahead, go ahead.” They do not solve the problem of entering into the kingdom of God. I request you that you all should come to the stage of understanding the Divine within you, the love of God that is within you, which is trying to overflow from you, and enjoy the sense of emitting and giving. Giving has the greatest joy and pleasure. There is no pleasure in taking. And when you receive it, you start giving. You have heard Dhumal talking about how he has done work in Rahuri. In Rahuri, when I was going to Rahuri University, the people in the nearby village knew that our car will be going that way. They are ordinary villagers. They have never read any Yoga; they don’t understand anything more about vibrations than these feelings that you get. It’s a subjective knowledge. It has no words. It’s a subjective experience, which you feel on your fingers, in your being - the bliss of God. And as I was going, I just felt a jerk in the car, because so many people were just lying on the road and some were standing on the road stopping the car, and they started shouting My ‘jai’ [Victory]. I was wonderstruck! I said, “How did you know that I was in this car?” He said, “Mataji, You have given us vibrations. We knew this was the car, which was bringing us vibrations. So, now You have to get down here.” I just got down; I embraced all of them, and our sahaja yogis were waiting at the other end. I said, “ Doesn’t matter.” This is what is Sahaja - such loving people! And at that time, I just thought of how once with Rama - how you felt those things with people, with very simple people, of very simple heart with ‘Shraddha’ [Faith], how they had those feelings of receiving your love and feeling it. Everyone needs love in this world; you cannot exist without love. Your whole being is based on love. And I wish all of you in this country to understand that unless and until there is love in your heart, don’t try to do anything outside because if you do it you will be found out in no time. Every human being understands what is love. There are lots of things that are happening within you. There are cosmic changes that are taking place today within you. I know that it’s happening. The Shri Chakra itself has descended on this Earth and already the Satya Yuga has started. This is the reason, why you are feeling these vibrations on your fingers and none of these Gurus and Rishis and all those people have mentioned these things. Because this is only possible when the Shri Chakra is brought down. It is here. You have to feel it and understand it. It is for all of you to accept it with an open heart. I do not want anything from you. What can you give me? I do not want anything, but I want My children to be happy. I pray for their happiness. I live for them and all the time, whether I am asleep or awakened or in the middle state, when they call the ‘sabhranta’, I’m just with you. Every moment you are in My thoughts. I wish all of you a very, very happy New Year today because it is Navroz and Navroz is the day when Zartosht [another name of Zarathustra] started His work on this world. He was a great sahaja yogi. He was an incarnation of Dattatreya Himself. [Not clear] has told you about Mohammad sahib. I have to tell you that He was My father [Fatima was an incarnation of Shri Mataji] and He was the incarnation of Dattatreya Himself. He was not an ordinary person. Though the people tortured His life. Every moment that He lived they tortured Him. And Hazrat Ali [The son-in-law of the prophet Mohammad] is a very, very great incarnation where only once, only once Brahmadeva has incarnated and He has incarnated as Hazrat Ali. So, these people are so great! You cannot criticize them. They are so great - every word that they have spoken is a Mantra. Everything they have told you about this ‘namaaz’, it is nothing but Kundalini ‘jagruti’ [awakening]. Mohammad Sahib has done the greatest work in Sahaja Yoga and has done the greatest advancement as far as the Kundalini jagruti is concerned. How can you criticize Him? I can’t bear to hear even a word about - against Him. I know how much He has been tortured. And the same people, today, are born in this country who are talking against Him. When you cannot reach even at His feet, why should you take such a big step? Understand what have you done in life? What have you got with yourself, that you are criticizing these great personalities? Khwaja Nizamuddin Saheb was a great Auliya [saint] – no doubt about it. And a horrible king like Khilji tried to trouble Him, and he was himself murdered! And his name has gone to the dying dust. Today, Khwaja Nizamuddin Saheb… you go and see the vibrations there! You go and see a Chisti… Chisti’s Maqbara [tomb] also at Ajmer Sharif [a town in India] – you will see the same. At Patna, you go and see Patna Saheb, where you have got our Mahavir Saheb also - vibrations are there. All these people are speaking of the same truth I am telling you. But today you can make them out. You will know who they are. Please try to humble down yourself. First of all, get this eternal truth within yourself. Let your being be that subjective instrument, to understand what is God. Don’t be driven away by few readings here and few readings there. Don’t be driven away by the small-hearted ideas and the egoistical tomfoolery that is going on - is to make fun of everyone. Oh Man! Please awaken yourself to this great occasion of understanding. This dynamic force is dying to bubble out of you. We have to change this world and transform it into a beautiful creation, because the Creator will not allow His creation to be destroyed. If you do not accept the truth, you will be destroyed. So please, please, again as a Mother, I ask you to accept the Divine truth, the Divine love and to be one with it. I wish all of you, all the sahaja yogis and all the people who are seeking God, the greatest of greatest, highest of highest achievement in the awareness of God and His love. That is what it is. Otherwise, the rest of it is all useless. Those who have sought other kind of satwik [pertaining to the central channel] or tamasik [pertaining to left channel] things in life have gone to waste. They have gone to hell and they are completely destroyed. You do not want to do that. You are simple people, ordinary people and that’s why you are the best people, because you do not suffer from any extremes. You have a very simple heart. You are leading a very religious life and a sanctified married life. This place is for the people who are in the middle path of Lord Buddha. Sahaja Yoga is the integration of all the truths of life and I can prove it to you, on the Kundalini, that what I say is the fact – is the fact. Unless and until you take Hazrat Ali’s name, your Swadishthan Chakra cannot be cured, and all the sahaja yogis know about it. And in the sahaja yogi Puja we have to take the name of Mohammed Saheb again and again and that of Hazrat Ali. And also we have to take the name of Jesus the Lord, who is the ‘Ashraya’ [Refuge] of all this world, described by Shri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita - He was the Mahavishnu. You can read it for yourself and you will be surprised that all the things described about Mahavishnu are absolutely the same as Jesus Christ was. So, I request you not to be so small-minded. You have not known the truth so far. So, try to understand it – to be subjective, to feel it, to understand it. All the books are saying the same thing as I am saying. Only thing, I can do it. I am not doing it. It is just happening. I have come on this Earth just for this ignition. This is the last point of ignition. This has to happen and this will happen. Let us see, in this country, in this beautiful Yoga Bhumi [Yoga's Land], how many people accept it. May God bless you all. Again and again I bless you. I am going to now London on the 25th and hope, all of you who have got realization in last two days, will again come to our program in Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan on Tuesday we have at 6.30. We have also a very nice center in Altamount road. You can take the address from here, on Altamount Road there is a very nice ground floor flat we have got, in front of the beauty parlour - Kamal beauty parlour or something like that. It is the flat of Miss Moraji who has kindly given us this flat for use. I hope all of you will take deeper interest into Sahaja Yog, learn all the methods and master the Kundalini. There are so many people among us who know about it and you can talk to them; even in the programs you can listen to my lectures by which you will understand. But it is not the understanding through your hearing, but it is the understanding through your heart and through your feeling of vibrations only, you can judge the Kundalini. Yesterday I have very much requested you and again I am requesting you that to understand Sahaja Yoga, you don’t need too much of brains. What you need is a heart, is a 'Shraddha-van' [with faith] heart. And if you have that, it will work out. The time has come for many flowers to be fruits. The time is there. I thank you again and again for showing this great love to Me. It’s like a… when I feel the ocean of My love, when it flows to the shores of all your hearts, the shore gives it back as a reaction. It’s a parabolic movement. When My love passes through you and comes back to Me as love, I enjoy it. It is such a beautiful experience. I mean, it is a different experience, perhaps, that cannot be coined or put into these mortal words. Thank you very much again and again. I thank all the trustees and all of you again and again. May God bless you with all His prosperity, with all His goodness, kindness and the Eternal. The Paramachaitanya should descend on you and on your awareness. (Applause)

3/22/1977

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Advice at Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan (Question and Answers). Bombay (India), 22 March 1977. [ This light is given to you because you give light to others. If you do not give it to others, then slowly this light fades away. You should keep this light on such a path where people are wandering in the dark, and not keep this light under the table where it gets extinguished. You people come there, if you have some problem, someone is sick then we will tell about it also (cure) & in the same way these people will tell you about Sahaj yoga - Mother speaks in Hindi] [Fadke & other Sahaj yogi go there. Tell them about kundalini & Sahaj yoga. It will not get finish in 2 days. It takes time. Now we have people with us who are really very good, they know everything about kundalini - Mother speaks in Marathi] They have mastered the Kundalini completely. There are some, you know that, but there are some who have got realization last five years and they don’t know a word. On the contrary, they’ll just come and ask us, “My mother is ill. So please treat her.” “My father is ill.” “You treat me.” “My this thing is ill.” That’s all. They are good for nothing. So now you have to also give to others and you have to realize yourself and to be the light of Sahaja Yoga. It’s a great pleasure. It’s a greatest joy to give it to others, and you don’t have to spend any money for that and you don’t have to earn any money for that. It is just a free flow. But you must give. Otherwise, if you do not give then you stagnate; absolutely, it stagnates. Today we have so many people over here, I’m very happy to see. I hope you’ll keep up the number. At least on a Monday keep it. [Instead of going to Siddhivinayak and stand for 1 hour come for meditation of Shri Mataji. You will find records there, they may turn on something there, listen to it & take notes. After that they will do discussion about it, those 5-6 Sahaj yogi will come to tell you. It will be beneficial for everyone. Mother speaks in Marathi] You all achieve depth in Sahaj Yoga & not to be just on shallowness - Mother speaks in Hindi ] Sahaja Yoga is not a thing to be taken that frivolously. It works. It works in you in no time effortlessly, but after realization for all human beings, it is necessary to understand the complete working of the Kundalini and of the vibrations. You must know the complete science. Otherwise, what is the use of getting money which you do not know how to spend or use? So best thing is to get to it and by you will find that even if you are sick and cured by Sahaja Yoga, you’ll find you’ll become so much healthier and better. You’ll be enriched much more. If you do not take to Sahaja Yoga, gradually you’ll find your vibrations will be lost after some time, because God doesn’t want to waste His vibrations on people who do not want to give it to others. There are some people who give explanations, “We have a family. How are we to give up?” Now I have also family. You know I have grandchildren also. This is the only good thing you can do without paying a single pie [small coin]. You have got it without paying a single pie and you have to distribute also without paying a single pie and you have to enjoy yourself. Only you can enjoy if you can give. You have to learn all these things. By God’s grace you have so many people here. Here now at least fifty percent people, I would say, are such that they can tell you about Kundalini quite well and you they are going to work out with you. They are going to tell you about this; nothing to feel bad, because once you master the Kundalini you will become just the same. So there is nothing to feel superior or inferior or anything. Only thing is that you today you have jumped into the sea and you have learnt how to swim, and they have learnt it long time back, and gradually you’ll pick up very fast. Some people pick up so fast that it’s sometimes astonishingly speedy, and even the people who have been with Me for years cannot beat them. So, it is only your simplicity and earnestness to be that. You work it out very well. Aata, I would like you to ask Me questions because when I go away I don’t want the half-hearted people to ask questions because then the, if the questions start, then the murmuring souls will start and they will try to bring out people who are not yet half-baked, and then they will fizzle out. So, you have to completely mature into Sahaja Yoga. Do not listen to anybody because he says so. You ask him, “What is your authority? Do you know anything about Kundalini? Have you, how many how many people you have given realization to? How many people you have given jagruti to? None. Then you keep quiet.” That’s all. You have seen Kundalini moving. You have seen its pulsation. You have felt the vibrations. Now, anybody who talks about against Sahaja Yoga is very easy, anybody can, any Dick, Tom and Harry can say, very easy to criticize anything, very easy because how much does it take? You don’t need any capital for that. You need not be knowing a word about Kundalini. Some might say it’s a myth, it’s a psychological thing; all kinds of nonsense they will say. But if you are a serious people, then you must understand that you have felt the vibrations, they are there, and that you are going to proceed further. It is for your own good and for your own asking you should get it. If there are certain problems on your chakras they must be corrected. So, what is the question now? Yogi: What is the ego & superego & Why God has given this to us? Shri Mataji: Ego and superego; these are the two institutions. They grow within us as we grow older and older because when we start growing. I’ll give you an example how the ego and super-ego grow. A mother is nursing the child, and the child is in complete peace and bliss. The mother is in complete bliss when the child is being nursed. Now, what happens, when the mother moves the child to another side, then the child doesn’t like it. So he puts in a reaction. This reaction comes in [Don’t look there. They are not minister. He wears cap so everyone thinks he is minister. Your attention is not here. He is just a lawyer - Mother speaks in Marathi] for your information haan… [ Now remove that cap otherwise everyone will again think that some new minister has come (Everyone is laughing) Now we should meet them last time my son did not get job. You will think about it then. Mother is asking a person as why did you wear that cap now everyone is thinking that you are a minister. Now people will bring application to you so don’t tell me. (Mother is laughing) I will answer his question he has asked about ego & superego. Did you get my point? Now if someone go then all will see that person. How can I get benefit from that? Why human brain is so frivolous. You have something & god has given you a big head. You should give respect to it. Do not turn your eyes. Which is the thing which attract your attention? Attention is very big thing. [Unclear] Attention should be pure. This is a bad habit to turn eyes - Mother speaks in Marathi] Our eyes are ruined by because of the turning our eyes all the time here and here. Our Agnya chakra gets spoilt. You completely lose control over your eyes. Eyes are the most important things. They carry the light of your heart of your Aatma and Spirit. At every small spot must you see? [If you want to sit then sit & want to go then go - Mother speaks in Marathi] And this is the problem with us, that we don’t understand our own values and we don’t understand what should be our priority for what are we here. We must have that seriousness about ourselves. Anybody comes in or goes in or anything happening, your attention should be on to yourself. It’s very necessary at this time when you are in meditation. This is the first time we are trying to see ourselves. So why should anybody interest us? It is only a very short time when we are – so now I’m telling you a very important thing [ At that time you come & everybody was looking at you. It should not happen. Someone will come & someone will go but you should not look at them. Now subject is very deep. Why god has given us ego & super-ego. It’s a very big question. Mother speaks in Marathi]Why God has created this ego and super-ego within us? From our stomach the medh, what you call the fat globules, you can say medh, in the stomach rises into our brain, passing through all these centers, evolving to be the cells of the brain. Did you follow this point? Because medh even the brain is made of fat cells, what you call the mendu. So for the medh to become the mendu it has to evolve to achieve a certain amount of charges of awareness of human awareness, and the brain, human brain, is the most precious one because it has a dimension, which animals do not have, a mental dimension, you can say, an emotional dimension. Its physical dimension also has another dimension. We can say that on every dimension we have four sides. Emotionally we understand love. We understand how to receive, how to reciprocate. We understand beauty, we understand poetry, we understand sweet gestures. We can create these things also. On the mental level our dimension has a fourth dimension, I should say, by which we create things. Animals cannot create; we can create. On the physical also we have a special advantage that we have lifted our heads up, our hands act in a different way than our feet, we have a better capacity to hold things. Not only that but we can use this body to lift much higher things that are here; for example, we can create a crane and lifted it. So, we have also got a power by which we can have mastery over the matter. This is not among the animals. So, we have already a higher dimension which is reached in our brain. Now, such a beautiful human brain is created. So, at this stage of human evolution when man has reached this stage, we should say it is still in a transition. A little more he has to jump, and he becomes that for which he has created. So, in this transition it is necessary to protect that brain very carefully – one purpose; secondly, to make this brain independent of the will of God and to make it use by itsel,f so it develops another dimension of wisdom. By faltering, by making mistakes, by correcting, by falling, by going into extremes, man starts coming in the center and understands that this is the position. Now see in our country the political news how from the British we came to – British had to give us up, then we – now the new this thing we started that didn’t fail; that failed. So, we started another style. So, we started another style like that. You see, you go on changing from this to another, experimenting, and you reach a position where you see this is the position by which you really progress. All this is done by a human brain. So, a human brain is the most coveted thing, most evolved thing, and with the brain heart also, human heart also, has to be co-related to the brain, and so the both the things evolve very well. Our stomachs are evolved very well. Actually, our stomachs are much more subtle, and they cannot take gross things. They require very fine and sophisticated things for digestion, and so many things as you know that we are different from animals. Now at this stage to protect this brain also you need a kind of a hard covering. So, God has created this system by which you just get completely covered up, by creating an ego and super-ego which is just a sort of, you can say, a by-product of your activities. Any activity a human-being does, has a reaction. For example, if he tries to say “no” to something it has a reaction: he creates his ego. If he accepts something he creates his super-ego. This is also done because it is done with the help that the brain of the man is made triangular and prismatic in nature, prismatic. It’s prism-like plane, and in the prism of the brain when the rays of God’s divine power flows in, it goes into refraction, into different angles, and by the principle of parallelogram of forces, part of it escapes outside, this side and this side. That’s why a man can think of the future and of the past, but the animal does not think of these things. So that’s how our brain is a specially made one. It is protected by creating a ego and a super-ego completely by which our taalu, where the fontanel bone is covered, you are separated from the All-pervading Power, by which you get your independence and freedom, to act as you like, to use your brain as you like, to learn, because the evolution if it has to go any further this is the transition period when you have to try. We can say like this for a simile because simile should not be drawn too far. But supposing this instrument I prepare. After preparing it, I first try it on a small cell separately and then I put to the mains. In the same way, first it is tried separately, individually with an articulation. The other day I gave a simile of a, of an egg, which might have sounded little funny to Marathi people, I don’t know why, that an egg is created by articulating it completely. It’s protected till it reaches a complete stage of its re-birth, is dwijah. Then only, you see, the mother bird pierces the egg and the, there is a re-birth of the little chick. In the same way, you are made protected so that you are made ready. Ultimately, you reach a stage where you are just ready to jump into another state, and it happens. In the incubator also, if you put these eggs with the warmth, you see they feel the warmth – warmth is the love – and with that they grow and at a point all of them hatch out, I mean not simultaneously, but we can say little difference, but most of them hatch out within two three days’ time. It is in the same manner today’s Sahaja Yoga is working out, that you are just ready to have it. You’ve had a very great past, you’ve been seeking, you have been going round, you have no ideas to what you have been doing. And today you are wearing ordinary dresses like ordinary people and today you are here for a lecture with Me and at this time this happens. This is the greatest miracle for some people, but for Me it is just a happening. It has to happen at this time. For us if we see lots of flowers turning into fruits, we never call it a miracle because we have taken it for granted. So many miracles of life we have taken it for granted, but it has to happen to human-beings, and when it happens it happens like that. Naturally for you, you see, it’s My child’s play. It is for Me, it is My child’s play because that is My job is to give you moksha. I am mokshadayani; no doubt about it. If that is My nature, if that is My nature then I will do it. If the nature of the sun is to give you the rays of the sun, it will give. It is not difficult because that is the nature. You see, if it is your nature as a human being to see things and colors you will see. What is so great about it? What is to be proud about it? I mean, I don’t understand; if you are that, you are that. What is there to be higher or lower? I can’t just understand. This is all because of a human ego that a man has evaluations. He thinks this is higher; that is lower. In a way human beings are higher than men and human beings are much higher than gods and much higher than God Almighty sometimes, because He has to beg of you to come to Sahaja Yoga, because unless and until you are absolutely freely accepting Sahaja Yoga it doesn’t work out. You have to be absolutely free. I cannot entice you. I cannot hypnotize you. I cannot do anything. It has to be there. And that’s why if it works just like that,why should you feel that there is something wrong in it? It has worked with so many people. So many people have felt it. You will also feel it. It is your due. So, you are feeling it, and supposing there is something wrong with the seed or something wrong with the flower, then we will correct it also. May take two days more; doesn’t matter. It is not something extraordinary for Me. Yes, it is in a way, because in all My previous lives I have not done it. So, I feel very happy. For example, when you are a leaf you can’t do the things of a flower, when you are a root you are not doing that at all, but when you are a flower then a bee can come and do it. What is so much surprising about it? Because it has been promised. Many a time it has been said. Even Vivekananda has said that, “Mother will come and She will do the job.” He has also said that, “Buddha is just a part, a little drop.” He has said all these things. When you quote Vivekananda, read him properly. He also says, ‘I can’t do anything. It’s Mother is going to do. Everybody is putting on that Mother.” Shankaracharya said, “Mother will come.” In the Bible if you read John’s Revelation, written that, “A Woman will come, and She will be giving re-birth and She’ll be afraid of giving re-birth. She’ll be protecting Her child.” All these things are there, and now when the Mother comes in you say, “Why are you there, Mother?” Now who the Mother must come with a horn or what should She do? But if I’m the Mother Who has to do the job, I have to do the job. Now you start finding faults with Me. So, what to do with you people? I mean, after all, what should I have? Whatever I thought proper, I have. What else do you want Me to have? See if the, if Ganesha has a trunk of a elephant it has a meaning, and if somebody has something else it has a meaning. We say that Surabhi the cow, the first cow which appeared in the Brindavana – in the, in the Vaikuntha stage she appeared ? all the Gods were inside her. We accept a cow but we can’t accept a human being who has got these powers. It’s all right. Don’t accept. I’m saying not that you should flatly accept Me because once I say that there are many Mataji’s all over now. What I’m saying, you should feel the vibrations yourself. You should take them. If you feel them, if you see the Kundalini rising, that is the first sign. If you see the Kundalini rising, you should. When I went to Ambernath there was one Janardhan Maharaj. He had come, you see, because he had heard about Me. He came just to take My pareeksha (test), whatever it is. So he was sitting near the stage, and people told Me that, “He may not accept You, Mataji.” I said, “Let Me see. If he is a realized soul he may,” and when I went inside on the stage he just fell flat on My feet. Then he told Me, “I saw everybody’s Kundalini rising as soon as You stepped inside, I could see.” They can see also. He saw everybody’s Kundalini rising as soon as I came in. They would not rise but the Kundalini rose. “We wish You welcome.” So, if they know, many people know. Gagangarh Maharaj knows. He’s told many people. I have not met him. He has told many people about Me. I never met him before. Then I went to see him, and he talked to Me as if he would talk to an incarnation, he would. He never talked to Me as if he would talk to Mrs. C.P. Srivastava. He didn’t know. He asked Me [This world has so many bad people. How can you do it? Do they trouble you? How do you incarnate suddenly? We saw Shri chakra opening so we realized that Shri Mataji is born. Akar ,ukar & makar has also come before Shri chakra. We saw Shri Ganesh, Dattatreya, coming here before you came here. He said it so clearly. It is recorded. He said that Shri Mataji has given you so much - Mother speaks in Marathi], “Why has She given you? What have you done? How many of you are going to give your life for Her? She has given you this precious thing. You cannot part with one farthing. What are you going to do for Her?” He scolded all of them. He said all these things; it is on the tape. There’s another person Mr. – his name is Mr. Pralahad Brahamachaari. He’s from Calicut. He went to America. He told people about Me. They know about Me. He told that, “She has come now. There’s nothing to worry.” But for you people, you see, you people are so egoistical that you cannot bear to hear such a thing about anyone. That is the trouble: you are too egoistical. Adhajal gagri chalkat jaaye. Empty vessel makes too much sounds. It’s a sign of emptiness. You see, they, those people are telling me even that [aside: what was his name from Ambernath] Naagnath Baba, he said, “Mataji, they can never accept. They never accepted any incarnation and they are not going to accept You, try Your level best.” And Maharaj says, “For twelve years You try. If they are all right, then I’ll come down.” Otherwise they are all hiding themselves. They are afraid of human beings. Really, it is true. There are so many like that. Three very old people came to see Me in Haridwar. They said the same thing. Now are you going to behave yourself or are you going to behave in a manner that is going to be detrimental to your progress in spiritual life? What are you going to do, it is for you to decide. If you are, if you have read few books you cannot sit, settle Me into those books. You see, there is Yoga shastra. Now take Yoga shastra. Now yesterday he told you there is saatwik yogashastra this. What should by yogashastra for Me what is it? Did Rama read any books or Krishna read any book and I am going to read any book? Am I going to use this Yogashastra? You see, this is for people, for human beings who have to climb up. I know everything. So why should I worry about these things? I have to just pull you out; that’s all. I know all the job. The person who knows the job doesn’t have to do this. And it comes to this that I have to tell you these things, you yourselves should realize that if Mataji is doing like that just by chitta. Now see today there was, I’ll tell you a case. Today there yesterday they told me about somebody who, who is a brother [Is it our brother - Mother speaks in Marathi] who drinks too much and he is in Goa. I said, “What to do? How can he come?” He, he came today [aapo aap]. He came just like that. Just it is My attention, you see. If you put anything to My attention it just works. I don’t have to bother. It is something like a human being can lift this. Now an ant will say, “How did you lift it?” I mean, it is possible for a human being to lift it the, and for Me it is easy to lift your Kundalini’s and to do all these miscellaneous things like that because it is My attention, My attention, chitta. My attention itself is Ananda. It is itself, is bliss and it is itself, is the knowledge. I don’t need any intelligence to know anything because I know everything in My head there is all the libraries there. Now you have read one book that fellow has found out something from somewhere. Now how am I to tell you how this mad man has found out something where from somewhere and how did he find in darkness he what did he find? He might have found somebody’s leg and was thinking it is somebody’s hand. Now for a person like Me it is so difficult to go to every person. Anybody who has read a book there, a sentence here, will come down. I said, “Now leave it. Now you want your realization. Come along have it.” And then the greatest problem is all this is love. I mean, I’m just a form of love; that’s all. It’s nothing but love. It’s just love, you see, which expands, gives you vibrations, again recedes back, expands, it comes back. It goes in a parabolic like that, what you call the pradakshina of a shakti you are seeing. What is shakti is, shakti’s this thing is a parabolic, and now Einstein is talking about parabolic. We had a parabolic long time back here. We knew it was shakti. See, you can explain all your science and everything. In this life I learnt English language and little bit of science and psychology and this time I have learnt English language & all that, but these psychologists are so one-sided people. Yoga shastras are so one-sided people. Now they do not match each other. I’m telling you the basic principle between the two. Both are human efforts. I’m a different person. Now what should I do if I’m like that? How can I become like you? I mean, if I know how to come up, how should I become like a little baby and say, “Oh, no, I must crawl up now gradually.” [Mother is laughing] I’m an old woman of thousands of years. So I know everything. You are still little babies. So how can I become like you? See, the simple thing and today is the day I thought I better tell you about it that you just don’t worry about things how I do things. I really do it. I cure people. Now here is a gentleman. He’s a heart patient, ask. Even before I met him he got quite cured, and I cured him. There are so many people here who will say that. [We told about our illness to Mataji - Mother speaks in Marathi] Why? The question, the person who asked me the question, you ask him. He has a friend who is in, who’s a Frenchman, and the Frenchman asked Me a question about the Western life. So I didn’t answer it. I started saying something else. He’s a very intelligent boy, this Rajesh. So Rajesh said, “Now, you see, Mataji has not answered your question. That means She has recorded it and it will act,” because in his case it has acted. So God, whatever He has done it is for your good. He has given you ego and super-ego not to get spoiled and finished. Now you can’t blame God for that. Supposing God has given you light to go that way. He has told you, “Now take an independent light to find out that.” And if you start burning yourself with that light, what can God do? It is not God’s mistake. Many people think that this ego is horrid. Ego you must have. Ego you must have. You are not to fight this ego. Only thing is that your ego should become one with that of God. That’s all. It’s a very simple thing. If you just become one with that God – now supposing this has a ego, how can I talk on this? I’ll say something; it will say some. But if it has no ego, its ego has become one with My saying, then it carries My voice. It carries My sayings, everything. It is so simple. What is so much complicated when people start telling Me about big, big things I really get a fright. I think, what is so complicated? It is like, you see, somebody wanted to know how do we make puris, you see. So a foreigner had come, a lady. So, she learnt, you know, how you make puris this thing, and one lady just tried to make fun of the whole thing. She said, “We make one roti here, one roti there. Then we put it one on top of another and then, all sorts of things. And inside we put something just to make it big and then we blow it out with a phunkni,” and all those things. So this poor lady, she said that, “How are you making it just like this, coming up like that. You are putting in the kadhai, it’s coming up?” They said, “It is working out because it’s the simplest thing to do,” but for her she said, “No, I was using a blower, blowing in because I thought that that’s the only way you can do it.” It is, it is a simple thing for any housewife to create this thing. So you see for, when I hear all these big, big things about yoga, this, that, then I said, “Baba, what are you doing?” Now it is very simple. It is a very simple thing, but you can’t do it, is the point. So I’m here. Once you are awakened, once your light has come, you can do it also. Why not? And I’ve told Gagangarh Maharaj, when he started telling Me, “Why I cannot give realization to people like this the way these. I’ve gone so much and I’ve done so much of this thing [ I have given to one & now he is of no use - Mother speaks in Marathi] and useless and how are You, how are these people doing it? They will become very egoistical.” I said, “They will not.” He said, “How do you know?” I said, “They are made after the pattern of Shri Ganesh; same powers they will have. Even with the finger moving My sons can give realization. They can. Who are you to challenge and ask Me?” He kept quiet. He said, “You are a Mother. Do what you please, but yedya gabade che kaam nave. [ It is not for foolish people]” I said [Mother speaks in Marathi] I’m not giving to them. It is a fantastic thing, that’s why. You see, it is rather difficult for people to understand, but anything like this has to be fantastic. And we have to prove the existence of God. We have to prove that He exists and He works, and all those people, chaitanya lahiris and all that talks about Kabira and Nanaka and Hiranya Sanhita and all your yoga, I’m going to prove it to you before. Have you ever seen any Kundalini pulsating before? I will show you the pulsation of a Kundalini. You have never heard that there are on the fingers anywhere the vibrations are coming, nothing, but you have felt it not only but you can diagnose a person. You can tell a person what he’s suffering from. You can cure a person. Now you will say, “How is it possible?” and somebody says, “Ten thousand years before we never heard of these things.” Everything must happen ten thousand years ago. Then why are we proceeding further? Better go back. What kind of a argument is this? After all, we have discovered going to the moon. Then we never say, “Why did we go to moon?” You see, that’s a simple question there. We do not. But we have to know that somebody is searching inside for you, and I’ve found it out. I’ve visited all these rakshasas also. I’ve visited all these gurus, all of them, very nicely befooling them, and I tried to find out what are they up to. Now I also know their tricks. I know what they have done to you, and that’s how I can correct. So I’ve studied all the permutations and combinations and everything, everything of Kundalini, whatever is possible because, you know, it’s not so simple with human beings. They are very, very easily, they are very easily can be persuaded. They can be enticed. They can be hypnotized – I cannot be hypnotized – but you can be very easily hypnotized. Anybody can hypnotize you like that. I’ve seen thousands of people getting hypnotized, taking out their clothes, dancing, jumping. I’ve seen some people just making all kinds of faces, like this, like that, all sorts of things. It can be done, and the hypnosis is so much that when they come before Me also they start doing that. They just get into the hypnosis because they are used to it. It’s like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. They just become Mr. Hyde, and Dr. Jekyll is lost. You become that; it’s very common. So for you it is wise to understand that I know all these things and I will tell you everything. I’ve got it for you specially and I know all the permutations and combinations. You don’t have to do any research about it. No money is needed to be spent. Still, you see, there are people who have been with Me for seven years. Still they are saying, “Mother, every time You say something we have to learn.” This is this, this is that, this is combination, that is combination, everything. Even five lives will not be sufficient for you to know a little bit about this knowledge. So why worry about these research and things? Just listen to Me and use your hands and learn and discover also for yourself that this is the truth, and don’t listen to everyone, third person coming round the corner, somebody selling the paan there will tell you [Mother speaks in Marathi] done. As if we have no brains at all, you see. So, you should not listen to everyone. You should not listen to rumors. You must, you are special people. By God’s grace you have got vibrations. This is a very big thing. Those who haven’t got will also get it. I would request you every day you have to sit on the water for seven days to see that you are cleared out now after realization and also later on whenever you are tired. It’s better; that’s a bath for you. Every day do that treatment yourself. It’s a bath. You cleanse yourself because you gather. I do not gather. I, nothing happens to Me, but it happens to you. So, you must have a bath in the night, take out all the problems on that water, throw it away. Water with salt is a sea which takes away all your problems. So try to do that, and there are so many ways. We can use akasha. We can use prithvi. There are people; they can tell you; they know. I’ve told them that five-six people should come here. We have a brain trust. They will be all sitting down here and talking to you. So next time when you come, if you have any problem you can ask . Now maybe you are learned but you can learn from them. Even person like Justice Vaidya told Me that, “I must know more about Sahaja Yoga.” So I said it is more practical than theoretical, and if he comes to the program or if somebody can go to him or if he can work it out with his hand, gradually he will be become a master of this because as it is he has knowledge. It will fit into it as if, as if the Ganges will flow into the, all the, all the ditches or all the things that are made to receive the water and it will just go and settle into it, perfectly. Your reading is not going to be wasted, but you will know what is right what is wrong. Now if there is another question for one question I’ve taken so much time because it was a very important question. Seeker: What is bath? [Bath means you have to kept my photograph in front of me - Mother speaks in Marathi] The photo has the vibrations; is a fact. Also, there are many things that have vibrations. For example, even this statue has got vibrations. Even these two statues have, but not so much as they are from Me. First of all, I am a living being. Another is that their proportions may be wrong because they are created by human beings, by their imagination, but the 'swayambhu lingas', all of them have got. For example, now supposing you have a prostate gland problem, if you go to the, say, to any of these [What is their name? Where did we went to that Ganapati? No Titwala - Mother speaks in Marathi] Raanjhan gaaon, Raanjhan gaaon Ganapati. You see, I went there. It has complete vibrations. Titwala because it is, you see, too much visited by people. So it gets crowded sometimes, but Raanjhan gaaon I found still all right; but as soon I say Raanjhan gaaon everybody will go to Raanjhan gaaon and the Raanjhan gaaon also will be spoiled. Because after all these are the, these are the special statues which have come out by Mother Earth. She’s thrown them. Mother Earth thinks, She creates these things and She throws these things and they give vibrations. So, you take vibrations from them all. But My photograph is a photograph as a reality. [Nobody has clicked the photo of Ram or Krishna - Mother speaks in Marathi]. Another thing is, you see, whatever I speak, because I’m that, it is pranava flowing. It is actual pranava. By every talk, everything, is a mantra going into, and when I just put My finger also into it I found that My vibrations can be turned around. Even when I [Mother blows air from her mouth] do like this, those who are realized can feel it. On their Sahasrara they can feel; is a fact. So why should it look so funny to people? [What is their question? If you see all their chakra [Unclear] Please read it. They have asked about bath - Mother speaks in Marathi] It is a simple method. You put my photograph in a proper place, put a little light before it. Candle will do, or you can put a 'niranjan' [oil lamp], whatever you like. Put both the hands towards the photograph. Now you put both the hands towards the photograph and feet in the water with a little salt. You can have little hot water, cold water or warm water according, according to the need. Supposing you are sick, suffering from cold, so better to take a warm water. Put a little salt in it. Put your hands towards the photograph. You’ll be amazed that the whole trouble will go away into the water, and you can throw away the water in the W.C. and you’ll be very much clear. Now this gentleman, you ask. He did that. He had a heart attack. It was very serious. Everybody can do it. Now for Vishudhhi chakra, especially this chakra, another simple thing you can try is to put your right hand towards the photograph first and take out the left hand. Supposing you find the vibrations are flowing into it, then you put left hand towards the photograph and right hand outside and you will be surprised that the whole thing will clear out this chakra very well. And if you keep your eyes open towards the photograph and put your hands like this or sometimes like this on the 'akash' (ether), you’ll be surprised that your eyes can be improved, very much with this. Mother Earth also;if you put your head on the Mother Earth, just touch her with your forehead and say, “Mother forgive me for touching you with my feet,” and She’s your grandmother. You ask for anything and you will get. They are all waiting to give you whatever you want. You can ask the help of Hanumana. You can ask the help of Ganesha. The other day the newspaper people told Me, they are two disciples of Mine who are correspondents and they were going somewhere and they had there My photograph with them. They said, “It was so amazing that we were coming and while coming driving our driver just bumped into a truck and we said, ‘We are all finished,’ and we closed our eyes. When we opened our eyes the truck was ahead and we were here. We didn’t know how we were saved, all of us. And the driver had also closed his eyes. We didn’t know how the truck went that side and how we were here.” So accidents are avoided. Things can happen, and people have seen. They live long and you have good health. Everything is there. After all, we have to, we have jumped into the kingdom of God. Only thing is keep your seeds all right for the time being. Then the whole thing will be lifted up like this into satyugaa. Already, the Satya Yuga has started. [What is the question? - Mother speaks in Marathi] Seeker: If we see all the six chakras nearly each one there exist some or the other endocrine gland. What relation this chakra has with this gland? Shri Mataji: Now endocrine glands are controlled by the chakras also. For example, now we can say Mooladhara chakra controls this prostate like that. Even the Agnya chakra controls the pituitary and pineal, both of them, and that’s how it controls the ego and super-ego. So it has a controlling effect on that very much. They are the growth agents of that. You see, for example, to control all the nature God has fixed up the stars. Certain stars are there, nine, nine stars mostly; the seven stars, as you know, and two more are placed there to control the Universe and the everything. It is controlled through those points, and you know so it affects our physical, material life, the whole planet. Seeker: Respected Mataji, please give me the knowledge and show me more clearly the way. First, what are the vibrations (physiologically, scientifically and spiritually)? 2. Where do they, these vibrations come from – from You, cosmos or atmosphere? What way do the vibrations benefit us? What are the do’s and don’ts for Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Very good question, very good. Who has asked the question, very good. First question is about what are these vibrations. I told you yesterday that in our heart there is a flicker of light which is burning all the time, which is the Aatma which is the reflection of Paramatma in our heart. In short I’ll tell you; the details I will not. Now what happens, the Kundalini rises, she opens the Brahmarandhra and there is the seat of the Sadashiva, the pitha. You see, the pitha is here, but Shiva is in the heart reflected as the Atma. You see the pitha and the pitha is created because, you see, the pitha receives the subtle, you see. It receives the subtle energy which is all-pervading, the gross. Inside all the pervading, for example, this collects My voice. Voice is a subtle energy which is collected through this. Here now we have all kinds of pictures and all kinds of music going on, but if you have a radio it can capture. In the same way, the pithas are in the brain and the pitha of the Sadashiva is higher up here which is opened out so that the subtle, the sukshama in the gross passes into our heart through a very subtle channel and just like a gas light it has a flicker and when the gas opens out the prakashsa comes in. Now the vibrations are, are the, that prakasha going through us.These vibrations start flowing through us. Now what do I do? You will say, “Mataji what do You do?” I do nothing but I just try to give you that force which is the, we can say, the gas power. That is the gas power because the Kundalini knows that when I am before you, she rises, she opens out and it starts flowing. It is flowing through Me throughout, but unless and until you are subtle you cannot feel it and you have it. It is, you can say that I am like a, you can say that I am the finite in the infinite, or you can say the infinite in the finite; infinite into the finite and also the finite into the infinite. I’m both. [Did you understood – Mother speaks in Marathi] So the energy that is emitted into all the subtle energy is passing through Me, is the Virata. From the Virata, say, the whole thing passes. It is going into the all-pervading. It is all-pervading everybody. Everywhere it is going. Even it is in a cell in everything. In a carbon atom it is there. Into all atoms, into all arrangements it is working. It is the subtle energy that is emitted through Me. When you become subtle you become like a radio; you start receiving it. Now how will you know what is correct what is incorrect? You ask the subtle, and the subtle answers you, and you get the answers on your hands. It is like that. So, these are the vibrations which you receive from the All-pervading Power and the All-pervading Power is emitted out and you receive it from Me or from the All-pervading. It’s just the same from everywhere these are the vibrations. But the Self-realization means, which is a very subtle point, which you try to understand now that it is so far is an unconscious for you. Your aatma is in the unconscious. It is not in your awareness; it is in the achetana. It is in your unconscious, means it is in the 'achetana'. You are not yet chetit about it. You are not aware of it, all right? But once you are Realized, it starts flowing into your awareness, means you start feeling it in your central nervous system, because your central nervous system is your chetna, is your awareness. The human awareness is nothing but is central nervous system, but his central nervous system starts feeling now the vibrations, the light of the aatma through it. So that, that is why it is known as 'samadhi'. 'Samadhi' means the unconscious. When the unconscious becomes the conscious, it is called as 'samadhi'. So people think beshudha (Unconscious) hone, 'beshudha nahin'. It means you become aware of the unconscious. Not only that, but first you become Nirvichara, then Nirvikalpa and then a complete Self-realization. So, the 'samadhi' is a word, a great confusion. 'Samadhi' just means an universal unconscious. It means the universal unconscious and unconscious [People think that become unconscious is samadhi [Unclear] - Mother speaks in Marathi]. If you are unconscious in the sense, now supposing somebody gives you an injection or you take a drug you become unconscious, means what? You go into subconscious or into supra-conscious, but this is a superconsciousness and superconsciousness is all-pervading sarvavyaapi, 'sukshama'. Yesterday, what he told you about three types of saadhnaas: saatvik and raajasik and taamasik. Taamasik goes to the left side, means into the subconscious and collective sub-conscious connected with the libido on the left hand side, and right side is the supra-conscious connected with the Pingala naadi which is the willpower, as you call it, and connected to the supra-conscious side, goes to the collective supra-conscious. Dev and all these people are sitting that side, dev, devtaas and these are officers, you see. Ganas are on this side on the top, and all those who fail into that, they go into hell. But the center is the super-conscious. For the Sushumna the human beingrise above the super-consciousness. They gradually start becoming more and more aware. They have the same body. For example, if you look at a cell of the brain, is the same as the cell of a fat globule, but there is a difference. So, the difference starts taking, and by the time you open out from here, then there is given a greater dimension to that cell, your brain, that it starts receiving the vibrations and can understand it. And then even is a greater, in Nirvikalpa you get another dimension where you have no doubts; you are knowledge. And the last is the Self-realization where you are just in joy, complete in joy, no problems. You do not catch; nothing happens. I would say our Vaidya saheb is very much near Self-realization, very much near. The way he got his Self-realization itself is remarkable because he felt two ice cubes coming into him and melting out, but he doesn’t catch, you know. I told him about somebody. He said, “I know he is no good. He is a tamasic fellow. Let him go according to his karmas, Mataji. What to do?’ You see, he doesn’t catch, but you people will catch. [Now the next question is about physiological - Mother speaks in Marathi] Physiological, physiological, you can feel it on the hand. You can feel on the fingers. [Read that Marathi book. Everything is written in that - Mother speaks in Marathi] Seeker: Tell scientifically Shri Mataji: [What to tell scientifically in this - Mother speaks in Marathi] You see, scientifically you can say the parasympathetic gets activated. You get the control of the parasympathetic. You jump into the unconscious, the universal unconscious. These are the two points you can say. Now what is the [Told spiritually - Mother speaks in Marathi] Seeker: Where do the vibrations come from? From me, from Her? Shri Mataji: From everywhere. I am the emitting force, all right. Accept it. Seeker: What are you doing to have it..[inaudible]..what way? Shri Mataji: Now this is the vital force of life. You see it; it gives you a complete balance. It corrects your physical being, it corrects your mental being, it corrects your emotional being, it gives you a complete spiritual oneness with God and it integrates you completely. I mean, as far as I am concerned, I have no pashchataap (repentance). I don’t understand what is pashchataap(repentance).. I don’t understand what is temptation. I don’t understand these things because I am complete one with Myself. Every, every finger I move, every hand I move, everything I do, it means something. I have to do, I mean, it is done without thinking, but there is a big thought behind it. It is done because I say haan, I say haan, I say haan. Haan means there is a noose, you know it. There is a formation of a circle which works. Now it’s difficult you know my mechanism is different from you. So I can’t explain what I do because you don’t have those mechanics within you, but it is like that. Even saying huun, haan, hein, all these are tremendous words. They create a kind of a force and a kind of a whirlwind, we can say. A kind of a formation takes in which it engulfs all the bad things that are there or all the rakshasas and all those things and can pull them out. Now I gave it in the matka; just I put My breath in that. It’s pranava itself, complete, and that pranava, you see in the night when they will be sleeping, will come out and take out all these things gradually and bind them and put them inside. You have seen many mad people are cured like this, but to look at it looks like matka and people say, “What is this Mataji is telling matka matka?” and this and that. And I have told you about the Civil Surgeon of Ahmedabad, what happened to him. He told Me, “I can’t do all these nonsensical things.” He was so angry. “You want me to befool me. I can’t listen to all this.” I said, “All right, you go ahead. I don’t say,” and he had become little bit loony. I said, “All right, I don’t say. All right, don’t bring matka,” and third day when I was giving a lecture he was coming there with such a big matka on his head. So I said, “Doctor,” after the lecture. I couldn’t help laughing. After the lecture, I said, “Why did you bring such a big matka? I had not asked you to bring such a big matka. I had asked you to bring such a small matka.” He said, “Mataji, your Maya. That’s how you have killed my ego completely because in the market there was no small matka available. Only this big one was available. So I had to bring such a big matka.” And he was walking through the whole thing, and I was looking at him and I didn’t know where to look. I said, “Look at the Civil Surgeon,” and that convinced people. [Oh Civil Surgeon, a big man carrying such a big matka on his head & going towards Shri Mataji . Inside is bhoot or mad? - Mother speaks in Marathi] Poor Civil Surgeon, but he is a very good man and he’s cured, thank God. So it is like this. Then he retired also after that, and he is a very good Sahaja Yogi, still. So it doesn’t matter. You know these things are not important. Mother says, “All right, matka to matka.” [Shri Krishna cracked Matka. Everything has a meaning. I will tell you everything & listen it. He told sahajayoga in Gokul. It is fun. Why did he crack matka ? Does it have meaning? Mother speaks in Marathi] You will not find it in any book. You will not know it anymore but Mataji knows. She knows all the tricks of Krishna. After all, She’s told you all His tricks also. [And if it is false you see it. Now questions are finished - Mother speaks in Marathi] Seeker: What are the dos and don’ts of Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Don’ts and dos; first and foremost, things that a Sahaja yogi cannot smoke or drink. One absolutely one hundred percent sure, because if you drink or smoke you will find after some time you either you’ll lose your vibrations or you’ll start vomiting. You cannot smoke. If you smoke your Vishudhdhi will be caught. If you drink your Nabhi chakra will be caught and whenever you’ll place your hand towards the photograph all the Nabhi chakra will be burning absolutely. So you’ll say, “What is this happening?” And you’ll give up. You sort of, many people have done it without any difficulty. They do not have any difficulty; they just give up. So this is one of the most important things that you have to gradually give up. Just take My name; you can work it out. We have people here, they will tell you they were alcoholic, they were taking drugs and they were doing all kinds of things. They’ve given up all that and now they are absolutely normal people. First thing is that: don’t drink and don’t smoke. Secondly, don’t fast. When Mother is there you are not to fast. Only fast on Naraka Chaturdashi; that’s all. One day you should not have pharal [Breakfat] [On that day, wake up at 12:00 PM. Eat well - Mother speaks in Marathi]. If you don’t feel like eating, eat something else but don’t leave your stomach empty. You can have some fruit juice or milk or whatever you like. These are certain things about the food and the stomach, Nabhi chakra. Secondly, the eyes are very important things where you have to be careful not to move your eyes very fast anywhere. Try to keep your eyes steady and mostly on the Mother Earth. You see, you have heard about Lakshamana. He never saw the feet of Sitaji, never, never saw Her face. He only saw Her feet. How can that be? He was always living with Her. He had never seen her face; he had just seen His feet. So, you can imagine what should be the position, and for fourteen years he had to lead a complete brahmacharyaa’s life. He just, She was like his mother. He knew She was Adi Shakti, but he just saw Her feet. That should be our case, this thing, that we should lead a sanctified married life. Now supposing somebody is married; then he should not run away with other women, and the other women should not run away with other men. And lead a sanctified life, create a nest of family, a proper family house, try to adopt, compromise, adjust, make your wife realize or make your husband realize and bring peace in the family because there are many great souls who want to take birth, many of them. As soon as you’ll find that such marriages will take place they’ve seen now in our case, you can ask some people from we have here. Ask these girls. There I told them that you must marry. So, one girl married and she has a daughter absolutely realized. So many people have got realized children. [unclear].So many those who got married like this, they have all realized people. So, you must try to get a family life, a proper family, proper relationship. Do service to your parents, to your mothers. Don’t find faults with your parents and try to be kind to them, also to the kind to the wife’s mother parents also and try to be good in the family. Try to bring more peace if they are difficult. I mean, it’s all right. Don’t spoil the children also. Correct them, make them loving. Make a nice society. Every one of you should be the carrier of love of your Mother, everywhere. That is one thing, If you are Sahaja yogis and if you change and transform in your behavior, naturally Sahaja Yoga will have its own reputation and everybody will start taking to Sahaja Yoga [Doing Sahaj yoga & smuggling doing is no good. It will not happen - Mother speaks in Marathi]; impossible. If you do anything like that, immediately your vibrations will go away. There was a gentleman in America, who got realization, and he started a ashram of Sahaja Yoga, started taking money. When he came here people told Me, “Mataji, we get a chakker with this man. What’s wrong with him, You tell me.” Immediately in meditation I knew what was it is. I said, “Give Me the pamphlet.” He gave Me the pamphlet. I said, “You can’t earn money. If you earn money you’ll have a bad time,” and he had a very bad time after that and he had earlier also. Now he’s all right. He says, “I will do some other work.” You cannot earn any money from Sahaja Yoga. Do not have Sahaja yogis for business partnership. No, they are Sahaja yogis. Do not use Sahaja Yoga for making money [Someone stole pair of shoes the other day - Mother speaks in Marathi]. You see, this kind of this limit, this type of people can never be Sahaja Yogis. You have to be generous people. You have to be absolutely honest [Someone stole my things. It is a nonsense. Are you to theft? - Mother speaks in Marathi]. They are thieves. They just come here for thieving. They are not Sahaja Yogis. So such people are also there. [They take pair of shoes - Mother speaks in Marathi] This should not be done. There are Ten Commandments, as you say, and you should not take anybody’s things, and be satisfied in your heart. This is a very simple way of doing things, but you have to lead a chaste life and you have to also see chaste things. For example, [Bad movies is not good - Mother speaks in Marathi] you will not like it also. Your priorities will change. Your friends will change gradually. You will not like dirty jokes, nothing. You’ll just change and you’ll run away from them. I’ve seen these foreigners; now they are telling Me that they just cannot stand all these things now. Once upon a time whatever they could tolerate and enjoy also sometimes, they just cannot stand it and bear it because now you have become saintly. You have to be decent people. [No need to do politics. [Unclear] - Mother speaks in Marathi] So don’t dabble into all these rumors and frivolous things. Don’t waste your precious life. You are Sahaja yogis. Not a single moment to be wasted on all nonsensical things. Every moment should be spent in having dignity for yourself, for others, for loving others. [If someone wants something give it to them - Mother speaks in Marathi]. Don’t be misers at all. Miserly people are against Sahaja Yoga, and if miserly people come I give them trouble. If you are miserly you get lots of trouble. So you don’t get miserly, haan, I’m telling you and don’t be too talkative also, become too talkative and troublesome. I can stop your talking, and if you don’t talk at all that’s also not good. Means don’t go to extremes of anything. These are certain things which you have to know. And don’t, women should not dress up like men, and men should not behave like women. All these nonsenses you should not do. You should be yourself. Supposing you are something in something you are doing you should wear the dresses as you are; now no need to wear funny dresses and go round and have your hair up to this much or try to show off. You see, all these are mythical things. Be normal, natural people and lead a normal, natural, decent life, and it’s not so important. Food is not so important. Whatever you get you get you eat, and don’t talk too much of comfort and don’t also sleep on the thorns, no, no, no, but don’t be absolutely a waster. Be in the center; is a very simple thing for Sahaja yogis. And you see with your vibrations if you have to take a decision, “Should I take this house or not?” Take the vibrations. Anything you see, “What should I do? Should I have, who should I have as a Prime Minister?” Now, see for yourself whom do you want to have a Prime Minister. See four people you put in; see the vibrations. Who has the best? Now, you think of the person. He will not be the one the Prime Minister. You cannot say that he will be because maybe that there are so many horrible people. In a democracy anybody can be brought in but the one, who is a good one, is a Sahaja Yogi. He should be the Prime Minister, and you should ask. If the more people ask for it, he may be. So, decide everything with vibrations, for yourself, for collectiveness or anything, and the most important is you give it to others. And Sahaja Yoga doesn’t work in your houses, families, or in small little groups but it works here in Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan when all of you are here because I’m here. It is a collective work. All of you are cells of one body, and the more cells are awakened, the more the body is active. So, you have to come together, to be together. Love each other. Mix up with others. Do not form groups, no. You should talk to each other very freely, whatever is your language, nationality or whatever it is. And you should mix up with others; is not proper, is a sense of insecurity is expressed if you have a group [Now we are bramhan so they all Brahman will sit together- Mother talks in Marathi]. This kind of a small thing is not there [Muslims sitting together in a group - Mother talks in Marathi] Foreigners are sitting together in a group like that. You see what I’m saying: there should be no grouping done; no need. Be open. All of us, all of us are born of one Mother, we should not feel insecure, we should be not together. It is not that you should avoid also, if you are together all right, now together is all right we are all brothers and sisters.Be very friendly and kind and do not analyze others and criticize others. Better to criticize yourself than to analyze others. Will sit down, “He’s like this because like that.” [He is like these & like that & what about you? Pay attention towards yourself - Mother talks in Marathi]. We should watch ourselves and not others. Why somebody is behaving like that, you just don’t worry. How are you behaving yourself? Are you all right? Are your vibrations all right? And that’s how with love, patience, understanding, I’m sure one day we all will feel the oneness, all of us, and we should help each other. If somebody is sick, we should help. Somebody tells you [If he told you that your heart chakra is catching - Mother speaks in Marathi] somebody. So, there is nothing to get angry. Actually, it’s a great thing he has told you that he can cure you and you cannot see [In the past time this was a problem. If someone is saying that your heart chakra is not clear then he will say, How can you say that my heart chakra is catching ? It is obvious because this finger is burning - Mother talks in Marathi]. So, it is a story told by a person who is not connected. So, you should not sort of identify with yourself. You should identify yourself with the eternal life that is within you and you are going to enjoy it very much. So don’t feel insecure, don’t have too many desires for something and you’ll be surprised that suddenly you’ll find [If it happened or not happens nothing matters - Mother speaks in Marathi]. If it works out, well and good; doesn’t work out well and good, because we are there after all. And if the car gets punctured, all right, we are there after all. Even if the car is not there we are there. We are not lost. So don’t think of the future, don’t think of the past but think of the present and enjoy. That is the message of Sahaja Yoga, and perhaps I’ve covered most of the points for you people, and never try to criticize anyone, never, never, never. And be firm and know that you have just now crossed, so many of you just crossed. So be steady, steadily [Look at front - Mother talks in Marathi] what is going to happen, let us see. Let us see. Be with that. Suddenly, don’t be bumptious about it and otherwise you’ll be rippled back again, you see. So gradually grope the whole thing. When you have got the mastery over it then grip it. But if you are bumptious, anybody can push you down saying that [It is not good - Mother speaks in Marathi]. There are many like that. So be careful. You see, everybody is trying to push you down. In this world there are satanic forces, and you are very special chosen people. That’s why you have got vibrations. There are so many people in Bombay but how many have felt it? You are the very few who have felt it. So be careful about it and meet together in this same number. All of you can be realized fully if you come together and sit together. They say when Mataji is here, they are here. Then Mataji is only busy all of the time. [That’s why I didn’t came to Mumbai this time. Mataji is curing everyone’s catches - Mother speaks in Marathi] Those eight or ten people who have been attending it regularly are the best and they are also busy cleaning you [Don’t do like that. Put on one day Tuesday. Today is the last day. I will come back - Mother speaks in Marathi]. Today is the last day because I’m going on the 25th evening. I’ll be back again in December, I hope so, for one or two days. We’ll have a program, not a long program because we are going on a holiday ? first time in My husband’s life. So, I hope you won’t mind. Then again I’ll come back next summer perhaps I don’t know maybe or maybe next year I may not come. By that time, I hope you people will keep to the [program – Unclear].

Advice at Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan (Question and Answers). Bombay (India), 22 March 1977. [ This light is given to you because you give light to others. If you do not give it to others, then slowly this light fades away. You should keep this light on such a path where people are wandering in the dark, and not keep this light under the table where it gets extinguished. You people come there, if you have some problem, someone is sick then we will tell about it also (cure) & in the same way these people will tell you about Sahaj yoga - Mother speaks in Hindi] [Fadke & other Sahaj yogi go there. Tell them about kundalini & Sahaj yoga. It will not get finish in 2 days. It takes time. Now we have people with us who are really very good, they know everything about kundalini - Mother speaks in Marathi] They have mastered the Kundalini completely. There are some, you know that, but there are some who have got realization last five years and they don’t know a word. On the contrary, they’ll just come and ask us, “My mother is ill. So please treat her.” “My father is ill.” “You treat me.” “My this thing is ill.” That’s all. They are good for nothing. So now you have to also give to others and you have to realize yourself and to be the light of Sahaja Yoga. It’s a great pleasure. It’s a greatest joy to give it to others, and you don’t have to spend any money for that and you don’t have to earn any money for that. It is just a free flow. But you must give. Otherwise, if you do not give then you stagnate; absolutely, it stagnates. Today we have so many people over here, I’m very happy to see. I hope you’ll keep up the number. At least on a Monday keep it. [Instead of going to Siddhivinayak and stand for 1 hour come for meditation of Shri Mataji. You will find records there, they may turn on something there, listen to it & take notes. After that they will do discussion about it, those 5-6 Sahaj yogi will come to tell you. It will be beneficial for everyone. Mother speaks in Marathi] You all achieve depth in Sahaj Yoga & not to be just on shallowness - Mother speaks in Hindi ] Sahaja Yoga is not a thing to be taken that frivolously. It works. It works in you in no time effortlessly, but after realization for all human beings, it is necessary to understand the complete working of the Kundalini and of the vibrations. You must know the complete science. Otherwise, what is the use of getting money which you do not know how to spend or use? So best thing is to get to it and by you will find that even if you are sick and cured by Sahaja Yoga, you’ll find you’ll become so much healthier and better. You’ll be enriched much more. If you do not take to Sahaja Yoga, gradually you’ll find your vibrations will be lost after some time, because God doesn’t want to waste His vibrations on people who do not want to give it to others. There are some people who give explanations, “We have a family. How are we to give up?” Now I have also family. You know I have grandchildren also. This is the only good thing you can do without paying a single pie [small coin]. You have got it without paying a single pie and you have to distribute also without paying a single pie and you have to enjoy yourself. Only you can enjoy if you can give. You have to learn all these things. By God’s grace you have so many people here. Here now at least fifty percent people, I would say, are such that they can tell you about Kundalini quite well and you they are going to work out with you. They are going to tell you about this; nothing to feel bad, because once you master the Kundalini you will become just the same. So there is nothing to feel superior or inferior or anything. Only thing is that you today you have jumped into the sea and you have learnt how to swim, and they have learnt it long time back, and gradually you’ll pick up very fast. Some people pick up so fast that it’s sometimes astonishingly speedy, and even the people who have been with Me for years cannot beat them. So, it is only your simplicity and earnestness to be that. You work it out very well. Aata, I would like you to ask Me questions because when I go away I don’t want the half-hearted people to ask questions because then the, if the questions start, then the murmuring souls will start and they will try to bring out people who are not yet half-baked, and then they will fizzle out. So, you have to completely mature into Sahaja Yoga. Do not listen to anybody because he says so. You ask him, “What is your authority? Do you know anything about Kundalini? Have you, how many how many people you have given realization to? How many people you have given jagruti to? None. Then you keep quiet.” That’s all. You have seen Kundalini moving. You have seen its pulsation. You have felt the vibrations. Now, anybody who talks about against Sahaja Yoga is very easy, anybody can, any Dick, Tom and Harry can say, very easy to criticize anything, very easy because how much does it take? You don’t need any capital for that. You need not be knowing a word about Kundalini. Some might say it’s a myth, it’s a psychological thing; all kinds of nonsense they will say. But if you are a serious people, then you must understand that you have felt the vibrations, they are there, and that you are going to proceed further. It is for your own good and for your own asking you should get it. If there are certain problems on your chakras they must be corrected. So, what is the question now? Yogi: What is the ego & superego & Why God has given this to us? Shri Mataji: Ego and superego; these are the two institutions. They grow within us as we grow older and older because when we start growing. I’ll give you an example how the ego and super-ego grow. A mother is nursing the child, and the child is in complete peace and bliss. The mother is in complete bliss when the child is being nursed. Now, what happens, when the mother moves the child to another side, then the child doesn’t like it. So he puts in a reaction. This reaction comes in [Don’t look there. They are not minister. He wears cap so everyone thinks he is minister. Your attention is not here. He is just a lawyer - Mother speaks in Marathi] for your information haan… [ Now remove that cap otherwise everyone will again think that some new minister has come (Everyone is laughing) Now we should meet them last time my son did not get job. You will think about it then. Mother is asking a person as why did you wear that cap now everyone is thinking that you are a minister. Now people will bring application to you so don’t tell me. (Mother is laughing) I will answer his question he has asked about ego & superego. Did you get my point? Now if someone go then all will see that person. How can I get benefit from that? Why human brain is so frivolous. You have something & god has given you a big head. You should give respect to it. Do not turn your eyes. Which is the thing which attract your attention? Attention is very big thing. [Unclear] Attention should be pure. This is a bad habit to turn eyes - Mother speaks in Marathi] Our eyes are ruined by because of the turning our eyes all the time here and here. Our Agnya chakra gets spoilt. You completely lose control over your eyes. Eyes are the most important things. They carry the light of your heart of your Aatma and Spirit. At every small spot must you see? [If you want to sit then sit & want to go then go - Mother speaks in Marathi] And this is the problem with us, that we don’t understand our own values and we don’t understand what should be our priority for what are we here. We must have that seriousness about ourselves. Anybody comes in or goes in or anything happening, your attention should be on to yourself. It’s very necessary at this time when you are in meditation. This is the first time we are trying to see ourselves. So why should anybody interest us? It is only a very short time when we are – so now I’m telling you a very important thing [ At that time you come & everybody was looking at you. It should not happen. Someone will come & someone will go but you should not look at them. Now subject is very deep. Why god has given us ego & super-ego. It’s a very big question. Mother speaks in Marathi]Why God has created this ego and super-ego within us? From our stomach the medh, what you call the fat globules, you can say medh, in the stomach rises into our brain, passing through all these centers, evolving to be the cells of the brain. Did you follow this point? Because medh even the brain is made of fat cells, what you call the mendu. So for the medh to become the mendu it has to evolve to achieve a certain amount of charges of awareness of human awareness, and the brain, human brain, is the most precious one because it has a dimension, which animals do not have, a mental dimension, you can say, an emotional dimension. Its physical dimension also has another dimension. We can say that on every dimension we have four sides. Emotionally we understand love. We understand how to receive, how to reciprocate. We understand beauty, we understand poetry, we understand sweet gestures. We can create these things also. On the mental level our dimension has a fourth dimension, I should say, by which we create things. Animals cannot create; we can create. On the physical also we have a special advantage that we have lifted our heads up, our hands act in a different way than our feet, we have a better capacity to hold things. Not only that but we can use this body to lift much higher things that are here; for example, we can create a crane and lifted it. So, we have also got a power by which we can have mastery over the matter. This is not among the animals. So, we have already a higher dimension which is reached in our brain. Now, such a beautiful human brain is created. So, at this stage of human evolution when man has reached this stage, we should say it is still in a transition. A little more he has to jump, and he becomes that for which he has created. So, in this transition it is necessary to protect that brain very carefully – one purpose; secondly, to make this brain independent of the will of God and to make it use by itsel,f so it develops another dimension of wisdom. By faltering, by making mistakes, by correcting, by falling, by going into extremes, man starts coming in the center and understands that this is the position. Now see in our country the political news how from the British we came to – British had to give us up, then we – now the new this thing we started that didn’t fail; that failed. So, we started another style. So, we started another style like that. You see, you go on changing from this to another, experimenting, and you reach a position where you see this is the position by which you really progress. All this is done by a human brain. So, a human brain is the most coveted thing, most evolved thing, and with the brain heart also, human heart also, has to be co-related to the brain, and so the both the things evolve very well. Our stomachs are evolved very well. Actually, our stomachs are much more subtle, and they cannot take gross things. They require very fine and sophisticated things for digestion, and so many things as you know that we are different from animals. Now at this stage to protect this brain also you need a kind of a hard covering. So, God has created this system by which you just get completely covered up, by creating an ego and super-ego which is just a sort of, you can say, a by-product of your activities. Any activity a human-being does, has a reaction. For example, if he tries to say “no” to something it has a reaction: he creates his ego. If he accepts something he creates his super-ego. This is also done because it is done with the help that the brain of the man is made triangular and prismatic in nature, prismatic. It’s prism-like plane, and in the prism of the brain when the rays of God’s divine power flows in, it goes into refraction, into different angles, and by the principle of parallelogram of forces, part of it escapes outside, this side and this side. That’s why a man can think of the future and of the past, but the animal does not think of these things. So that’s how our brain is a specially made one. It is protected by creating a ego and a super-ego completely by which our taalu, where the fontanel bone is covered, you are separated from the All-pervading Power, by which you get your independence and freedom, to act as you like, to use your brain as you like, to learn, because the evolution if it has to go any further this is the transition period when you have to try. We can say like this for a simile because simile should not be drawn too far. But supposing this instrument I prepare. After preparing it, I first try it on a small cell separately and then I put to the mains. In the same way, first it is tried separately, individually with an articulation. The other day I gave a simile of a, of an egg, which might have sounded little funny to Marathi people, I don’t know why, that an egg is created by articulating it completely. It’s protected till it reaches a complete stage of its re-birth, is dwijah. Then only, you see, the mother bird pierces the egg and the, there is a re-birth of the little chick. In the same way, you are made protected so that you are made ready. Ultimately, you reach a stage where you are just ready to jump into another state, and it happens. In the incubator also, if you put these eggs with the warmth, you see they feel the warmth – warmth is the love – and with that they grow and at a point all of them hatch out, I mean not simultaneously, but we can say little difference, but most of them hatch out within two three days’ time. It is in the same manner today’s Sahaja Yoga is working out, that you are just ready to have it. You’ve had a very great past, you’ve been seeking, you have been going round, you have no ideas to what you have been doing. And today you are wearing ordinary dresses like ordinary people and today you are here for a lecture with Me and at this time this happens. This is the greatest miracle for some people, but for Me it is just a happening. It has to happen at this time. For us if we see lots of flowers turning into fruits, we never call it a miracle because we have taken it for granted. So many miracles of life we have taken it for granted, but it has to happen to human-beings, and when it happens it happens like that. Naturally for you, you see, it’s My child’s play. It is for Me, it is My child’s play because that is My job is to give you moksha. I am mokshadayani; no doubt about it. If that is My nature, if that is My nature then I will do it. If the nature of the sun is to give you the rays of the sun, it will give. It is not difficult because that is the nature. You see, if it is your nature as a human being to see things and colors you will see. What is so great about it? What is to be proud about it? I mean, I don’t understand; if you are that, you are that. What is there to be higher or lower? I can’t just understand. This is all because of a human ego that a man has evaluations. He thinks this is higher; that is lower. In a way human beings are higher than men and human beings are much higher than gods and much higher than God Almighty sometimes, because He has to beg of you to come to Sahaja Yoga, because unless and until you are absolutely freely accepting Sahaja Yoga it doesn’t work out. You have to be absolutely free. I cannot entice you. I cannot hypnotize you. I cannot do anything. It has to be there. And that’s why if it works just like that,why should you feel that there is something wrong in it? It has worked with so many people. So many people have felt it. You will also feel it. It is your due. So, you are feeling it, and supposing there is something wrong with the seed or something wrong with the flower, then we will correct it also. May take two days more; doesn’t matter. It is not something extraordinary for Me. Yes, it is in a way, because in all My previous lives I have not done it. So, I feel very happy. For example, when you are a leaf you can’t do the things of a flower, when you are a root you are not doing that at all, but when you are a flower then a bee can come and do it. What is so much surprising about it? Because it has been promised. Many a time it has been said. Even Vivekananda has said that, “Mother will come and She will do the job.” He has also said that, “Buddha is just a part, a little drop.” He has said all these things. When you quote Vivekananda, read him properly. He also says, ‘I can’t do anything. It’s Mother is going to do. Everybody is putting on that Mother.” Shankaracharya said, “Mother will come.” In the Bible if you read John’s Revelation, written that, “A Woman will come, and She will be giving re-birth and She’ll be afraid of giving re-birth. She’ll be protecting Her child.” All these things are there, and now when the Mother comes in you say, “Why are you there, Mother?” Now who the Mother must come with a horn or what should She do? But if I’m the Mother Who has to do the job, I have to do the job. Now you start finding faults with Me. So, what to do with you people? I mean, after all, what should I have? Whatever I thought proper, I have. What else do you want Me to have? See if the, if Ganesha has a trunk of a elephant it has a meaning, and if somebody has something else it has a meaning. We say that Surabhi the cow, the first cow which appeared in the Brindavana – in the, in the Vaikuntha stage she appeared ? all the Gods were inside her. We accept a cow but we can’t accept a human being who has got these powers. It’s all right. Don’t accept. I’m saying not that you should flatly accept Me because once I say that there are many Mataji’s all over now. What I’m saying, you should feel the vibrations yourself. You should take them. If you feel them, if you see the Kundalini rising, that is the first sign. If you see the Kundalini rising, you should. When I went to Ambernath there was one Janardhan Maharaj. He had come, you see, because he had heard about Me. He came just to take My pareeksha (test), whatever it is. So he was sitting near the stage, and people told Me that, “He may not accept You, Mataji.” I said, “Let Me see. If he is a realized soul he may,” and when I went inside on the stage he just fell flat on My feet. Then he told Me, “I saw everybody’s Kundalini rising as soon as You stepped inside, I could see.” They can see also. He saw everybody’s Kundalini rising as soon as I came in. They would not rise but the Kundalini rose. “We wish You welcome.” So, if they know, many people know. Gagangarh Maharaj knows. He’s told many people. I have not met him. He has told many people about Me. I never met him before. Then I went to see him, and he talked to Me as if he would talk to an incarnation, he would. He never talked to Me as if he would talk to Mrs. C.P. Srivastava. He didn’t know. He asked Me [This world has so many bad people. How can you do it? Do they trouble you? How do you incarnate suddenly? We saw Shri chakra opening so we realized that Shri Mataji is born. Akar ,ukar & makar has also come before Shri chakra. We saw Shri Ganesh, Dattatreya, coming here before you came here. He said it so clearly. It is recorded. He said that Shri Mataji has given you so much - Mother speaks in Marathi], “Why has She given you? What have you done? How many of you are going to give your life for Her? She has given you this precious thing. You cannot part with one farthing. What are you going to do for Her?” He scolded all of them. He said all these things; it is on the tape. There’s another person Mr. – his name is Mr. Pralahad Brahamachaari. He’s from Calicut. He went to America. He told people about Me. They know about Me. He told that, “She has come now. There’s nothing to worry.” But for you people, you see, you people are so egoistical that you cannot bear to hear such a thing about anyone. That is the trouble: you are too egoistical. Adhajal gagri chalkat jaaye. Empty vessel makes too much sounds. It’s a sign of emptiness. You see, they, those people are telling me even that [aside: what was his name from Ambernath] Naagnath Baba, he said, “Mataji, they can never accept. They never accepted any incarnation and they are not going to accept You, try Your level best.” And Maharaj says, “For twelve years You try. If they are all right, then I’ll come down.” Otherwise they are all hiding themselves. They are afraid of human beings. Really, it is true. There are so many like that. Three very old people came to see Me in Haridwar. They said the same thing. Now are you going to behave yourself or are you going to behave in a manner that is going to be detrimental to your progress in spiritual life? What are you going to do, it is for you to decide. If you are, if you have read few books you cannot sit, settle Me into those books. You see, there is Yoga shastra. Now take Yoga shastra. Now yesterday he told you there is saatwik yogashastra this. What should by yogashastra for Me what is it? Did Rama read any books or Krishna read any book and I am going to read any book? Am I going to use this Yogashastra? You see, this is for people, for human beings who have to climb up. I know everything. So why should I worry about these things? I have to just pull you out; that’s all. I know all the job. The person who knows the job doesn’t have to do this. And it comes to this that I have to tell you these things, you yourselves should realize that if Mataji is doing like that just by chitta. Now see today there was, I’ll tell you a case. Today there yesterday they told me about somebody who, who is a brother [Is it our brother - Mother speaks in Marathi] who drinks too much and he is in Goa. I said, “What to do? How can he come?” He, he came today [aapo aap]. He came just like that. Just it is My attention, you see. If you put anything to My attention it just works. I don’t have to bother. It is something like a human being can lift this. Now an ant will say, “How did you lift it?” I mean, it is possible for a human being to lift it the, and for Me it is easy to lift your Kundalini’s and to do all these miscellaneous things like that because it is My attention, My attention, chitta. My attention itself is Ananda. It is itself, is bliss and it is itself, is the knowledge. I don’t need any intelligence to know anything because I know everything in My head there is all the libraries there. Now you have read one book that fellow has found out something from somewhere. Now how am I to tell you how this mad man has found out something where from somewhere and how did he find in darkness he what did he find? He might have found somebody’s leg and was thinking it is somebody’s hand. Now for a person like Me it is so difficult to go to every person. Anybody who has read a book there, a sentence here, will come down. I said, “Now leave it. Now you want your realization. Come along have it.” And then the greatest problem is all this is love. I mean, I’m just a form of love; that’s all. It’s nothing but love. It’s just love, you see, which expands, gives you vibrations, again recedes back, expands, it comes back. It goes in a parabolic like that, what you call the pradakshina of a shakti you are seeing. What is shakti is, shakti’s this thing is a parabolic, and now Einstein is talking about parabolic. We had a parabolic long time back here. We knew it was shakti. See, you can explain all your science and everything. In this life I learnt English language and little bit of science and psychology and this time I have learnt English language & all that, but these psychologists are so one-sided people. Yoga shastras are so one-sided people. Now they do not match each other. I’m telling you the basic principle between the two. Both are human efforts. I’m a different person. Now what should I do if I’m like that? How can I become like you? I mean, if I know how to come up, how should I become like a little baby and say, “Oh, no, I must crawl up now gradually.” [Mother is laughing] I’m an old woman of thousands of years. So I know everything. You are still little babies. So how can I become like you? See, the simple thing and today is the day I thought I better tell you about it that you just don’t worry about things how I do things. I really do it. I cure people. Now here is a gentleman. He’s a heart patient, ask. Even before I met him he got quite cured, and I cured him. There are so many people here who will say that. [We told about our illness to Mataji - Mother speaks in Marathi] Why? The question, the person who asked me the question, you ask him. He has a friend who is in, who’s a Frenchman, and the Frenchman asked Me a question about the Western life. So I didn’t answer it. I started saying something else. He’s a very intelligent boy, this Rajesh. So Rajesh said, “Now, you see, Mataji has not answered your question. That means She has recorded it and it will act,” because in his case it has acted. So God, whatever He has done it is for your good. He has given you ego and super-ego not to get spoiled and finished. Now you can’t blame God for that. Supposing God has given you light to go that way. He has told you, “Now take an independent light to find out that.” And if you start burning yourself with that light, what can God do? It is not God’s mistake. Many people think that this ego is horrid. Ego you must have. Ego you must have. You are not to fight this ego. Only thing is that your ego should become one with that of God. That’s all. It’s a very simple thing. If you just become one with that God – now supposing this has a ego, how can I talk on this? I’ll say something; it will say some. But if it has no ego, its ego has become one with My saying, then it carries My voice. It carries My sayings, everything. It is so simple. What is so much complicated when people start telling Me about big, big things I really get a fright. I think, what is so complicated? It is like, you see, somebody wanted to know how do we make puris, you see. So a foreigner had come, a lady. So, she learnt, you know, how you make puris this thing, and one lady just tried to make fun of the whole thing. She said, “We make one roti here, one roti there. Then we put it one on top of another and then, all sorts of things. And inside we put something just to make it big and then we blow it out with a phunkni,” and all those things. So this poor lady, she said that, “How are you making it just like this, coming up like that. You are putting in the kadhai, it’s coming up?” They said, “It is working out because it’s the simplest thing to do,” but for her she said, “No, I was using a blower, blowing in because I thought that that’s the only way you can do it.” It is, it is a simple thing for any housewife to create this thing. So you see for, when I hear all these big, big things about yoga, this, that, then I said, “Baba, what are you doing?” Now it is very simple. It is a very simple thing, but you can’t do it, is the point. So I’m here. Once you are awakened, once your light has come, you can do it also. Why not? And I’ve told Gagangarh Maharaj, when he started telling Me, “Why I cannot give realization to people like this the way these. I’ve gone so much and I’ve done so much of this thing [ I have given to one & now he is of no use - Mother speaks in Marathi] and useless and how are You, how are these people doing it? They will become very egoistical.” I said, “They will not.” He said, “How do you know?” I said, “They are made after the pattern of Shri Ganesh; same powers they will have. Even with the finger moving My sons can give realization. They can. Who are you to challenge and ask Me?” He kept quiet. He said, “You are a Mother. Do what you please, but yedya gabade che kaam nave. [ It is not for foolish people]” I said [Mother speaks in Marathi] I’m not giving to them. It is a fantastic thing, that’s why. You see, it is rather difficult for people to understand, but anything like this has to be fantastic. And we have to prove the existence of God. We have to prove that He exists and He works, and all those people, chaitanya lahiris and all that talks about Kabira and Nanaka and Hiranya Sanhita and all your yoga, I’m going to prove it to you before. Have you ever seen any Kundalini pulsating before? I will show you the pulsation of a Kundalini. You have never heard that there are on the fingers anywhere the vibrations are coming, nothing, but you have felt it not only but you can diagnose a person. You can tell a person what he’s suffering from. You can cure a person. Now you will say, “How is it possible?” and somebody says, “Ten thousand years before we never heard of these things.” Everything must happen ten thousand years ago. Then why are we proceeding further? Better go back. What kind of a argument is this? After all, we have discovered going to the moon. Then we never say, “Why did we go to moon?” You see, that’s a simple question there. We do not. But we have to know that somebody is searching inside for you, and I’ve found it out. I’ve visited all these rakshasas also. I’ve visited all these gurus, all of them, very nicely befooling them, and I tried to find out what are they up to. Now I also know their tricks. I know what they have done to you, and that’s how I can correct. So I’ve studied all the permutations and combinations and everything, everything of Kundalini, whatever is possible because, you know, it’s not so simple with human beings. They are very, very easily, they are very easily can be persuaded. They can be enticed. They can be hypnotized – I cannot be hypnotized – but you can be very easily hypnotized. Anybody can hypnotize you like that. I’ve seen thousands of people getting hypnotized, taking out their clothes, dancing, jumping. I’ve seen some people just making all kinds of faces, like this, like that, all sorts of things. It can be done, and the hypnosis is so much that when they come before Me also they start doing that. They just get into the hypnosis because they are used to it. It’s like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. They just become Mr. Hyde, and Dr. Jekyll is lost. You become that; it’s very common. So for you it is wise to understand that I know all these things and I will tell you everything. I’ve got it for you specially and I know all the permutations and combinations. You don’t have to do any research about it. No money is needed to be spent. Still, you see, there are people who have been with Me for seven years. Still they are saying, “Mother, every time You say something we have to learn.” This is this, this is that, this is combination, that is combination, everything. Even five lives will not be sufficient for you to know a little bit about this knowledge. So why worry about these research and things? Just listen to Me and use your hands and learn and discover also for yourself that this is the truth, and don’t listen to everyone, third person coming round the corner, somebody selling the paan there will tell you [Mother speaks in Marathi] done. As if we have no brains at all, you see. So, you should not listen to everyone. You should not listen to rumors. You must, you are special people. By God’s grace you have got vibrations. This is a very big thing. Those who haven’t got will also get it. I would request you every day you have to sit on the water for seven days to see that you are cleared out now after realization and also later on whenever you are tired. It’s better; that’s a bath for you. Every day do that treatment yourself. It’s a bath. You cleanse yourself because you gather. I do not gather. I, nothing happens to Me, but it happens to you. So, you must have a bath in the night, take out all the problems on that water, throw it away. Water with salt is a sea which takes away all your problems. So try to do that, and there are so many ways. We can use akasha. We can use prithvi. There are people; they can tell you; they know. I’ve told them that five-six people should come here. We have a brain trust. They will be all sitting down here and talking to you. So next time when you come, if you have any problem you can ask . Now maybe you are learned but you can learn from them. Even person like Justice Vaidya told Me that, “I must know more about Sahaja Yoga.” So I said it is more practical than theoretical, and if he comes to the program or if somebody can go to him or if he can work it out with his hand, gradually he will be become a master of this because as it is he has knowledge. It will fit into it as if, as if the Ganges will flow into the, all the, all the ditches or all the things that are made to receive the water and it will just go and settle into it, perfectly. Your reading is not going to be wasted, but you will know what is right what is wrong. Now if there is another question for one question I’ve taken so much time because it was a very important question. Seeker: What is bath? [Bath means you have to kept my photograph in front of me - Mother speaks in Marathi] The photo has the vibrations; is a fact. Also, there are many things that have vibrations. For example, even this statue has got vibrations. Even these two statues have, but not so much as they are from Me. First of all, I am a living being. Another is that their proportions may be wrong because they are created by human beings, by their imagination, but the 'swayambhu lingas', all of them have got. For example, now supposing you have a prostate gland problem, if you go to the, say, to any of these [What is their name? Where did we went to that Ganapati? No Titwala - Mother speaks in Marathi] Raanjhan gaaon, Raanjhan gaaon Ganapati. You see, I went there. It has complete vibrations. Titwala because it is, you see, too much visited by people. So it gets crowded sometimes, but Raanjhan gaaon I found still all right; but as soon I say Raanjhan gaaon everybody will go to Raanjhan gaaon and the Raanjhan gaaon also will be spoiled. Because after all these are the, these are the special statues which have come out by Mother Earth. She’s thrown them. Mother Earth thinks, She creates these things and She throws these things and they give vibrations. So, you take vibrations from them all. But My photograph is a photograph as a reality. [Nobody has clicked the photo of Ram or Krishna - Mother speaks in Marathi]. Another thing is, you see, whatever I speak, because I’m that, it is pranava flowing. It is actual pranava. By every talk, everything, is a mantra going into, and when I just put My finger also into it I found that My vibrations can be turned around. Even when I [Mother blows air from her mouth] do like this, those who are realized can feel it. On their Sahasrara they can feel; is a fact. So why should it look so funny to people? [What is their question? If you see all their chakra [Unclear] Please read it. They have asked about bath - Mother speaks in Marathi] It is a simple method. You put my photograph in a proper place, put a little light before it. Candle will do, or you can put a 'niranjan' [oil lamp], whatever you like. Put both the hands towards the photograph. Now you put both the hands towards the photograph and feet in the water with a little salt. You can have little hot water, cold water or warm water according, according to the need. Supposing you are sick, suffering from cold, so better to take a warm water. Put a little salt in it. Put your hands towards the photograph. You’ll be amazed that the whole trouble will go away into the water, and you can throw away the water in the W.C. and you’ll be very much clear. Now this gentleman, you ask. He did that. He had a heart attack. It was very serious. Everybody can do it. Now for Vishudhhi chakra, especially this chakra, another simple thing you can try is to put your right hand towards the photograph first and take out the left hand. Supposing you find the vibrations are flowing into it, then you put left hand towards the photograph and right hand outside and you will be surprised that the whole thing will clear out this chakra very well. And if you keep your eyes open towards the photograph and put your hands like this or sometimes like this on the 'akash' (ether), you’ll be surprised that your eyes can be improved, very much with this. Mother Earth also;if you put your head on the Mother Earth, just touch her with your forehead and say, “Mother forgive me for touching you with my feet,” and She’s your grandmother. You ask for anything and you will get. They are all waiting to give you whatever you want. You can ask the help of Hanumana. You can ask the help of Ganesha. The other day the newspaper people told Me, they are two disciples of Mine who are correspondents and they were going somewhere and they had there My photograph with them. They said, “It was so amazing that we were coming and while coming driving our driver just bumped into a truck and we said, ‘We are all finished,’ and we closed our eyes. When we opened our eyes the truck was ahead and we were here. We didn’t know how we were saved, all of us. And the driver had also closed his eyes. We didn’t know how the truck went that side and how we were here.” So accidents are avoided. Things can happen, and people have seen. They live long and you have good health. Everything is there. After all, we have to, we have jumped into the kingdom of God. Only thing is keep your seeds all right for the time being. Then the whole thing will be lifted up like this into satyugaa. Already, the Satya Yuga has started. [What is the question? - Mother speaks in Marathi] Seeker: If we see all the six chakras nearly each one there exist some or the other endocrine gland. What relation this chakra has with this gland? Shri Mataji: Now endocrine glands are controlled by the chakras also. For example, now we can say Mooladhara chakra controls this prostate like that. Even the Agnya chakra controls the pituitary and pineal, both of them, and that’s how it controls the ego and super-ego. So it has a controlling effect on that very much. They are the growth agents of that. You see, for example, to control all the nature God has fixed up the stars. Certain stars are there, nine, nine stars mostly; the seven stars, as you know, and two more are placed there to control the Universe and the everything. It is controlled through those points, and you know so it affects our physical, material life, the whole planet. Seeker: Respected Mataji, please give me the knowledge and show me more clearly the way. First, what are the vibrations (physiologically, scientifically and spiritually)? 2. Where do they, these vibrations come from – from You, cosmos or atmosphere? What way do the vibrations benefit us? What are the do’s and don’ts for Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Very good question, very good. Who has asked the question, very good. First question is about what are these vibrations. I told you yesterday that in our heart there is a flicker of light which is burning all the time, which is the Aatma which is the reflection of Paramatma in our heart. In short I’ll tell you; the details I will not. Now what happens, the Kundalini rises, she opens the Brahmarandhra and there is the seat of the Sadashiva, the pitha. You see, the pitha is here, but Shiva is in the heart reflected as the Atma. You see the pitha and the pitha is created because, you see, the pitha receives the subtle, you see. It receives the subtle energy which is all-pervading, the gross. Inside all the pervading, for example, this collects My voice. Voice is a subtle energy which is collected through this. Here now we have all kinds of pictures and all kinds of music going on, but if you have a radio it can capture. In the same way, the pithas are in the brain and the pitha of the Sadashiva is higher up here which is opened out so that the subtle, the sukshama in the gross passes into our heart through a very subtle channel and just like a gas light it has a flicker and when the gas opens out the prakashsa comes in. Now the vibrations are, are the, that prakasha going through us.These vibrations start flowing through us. Now what do I do? You will say, “Mataji what do You do?” I do nothing but I just try to give you that force which is the, we can say, the gas power. That is the gas power because the Kundalini knows that when I am before you, she rises, she opens out and it starts flowing. It is flowing through Me throughout, but unless and until you are subtle you cannot feel it and you have it. It is, you can say that I am like a, you can say that I am the finite in the infinite, or you can say the infinite in the finite; infinite into the finite and also the finite into the infinite. I’m both. [Did you understood – Mother speaks in Marathi] So the energy that is emitted into all the subtle energy is passing through Me, is the Virata. From the Virata, say, the whole thing passes. It is going into the all-pervading. It is all-pervading everybody. Everywhere it is going. Even it is in a cell in everything. In a carbon atom it is there. Into all atoms, into all arrangements it is working. It is the subtle energy that is emitted through Me. When you become subtle you become like a radio; you start receiving it. Now how will you know what is correct what is incorrect? You ask the subtle, and the subtle answers you, and you get the answers on your hands. It is like that. So, these are the vibrations which you receive from the All-pervading Power and the All-pervading Power is emitted out and you receive it from Me or from the All-pervading. It’s just the same from everywhere these are the vibrations. But the Self-realization means, which is a very subtle point, which you try to understand now that it is so far is an unconscious for you. Your aatma is in the unconscious. It is not in your awareness; it is in the achetana. It is in your unconscious, means it is in the 'achetana'. You are not yet chetit about it. You are not aware of it, all right? But once you are Realized, it starts flowing into your awareness, means you start feeling it in your central nervous system, because your central nervous system is your chetna, is your awareness. The human awareness is nothing but is central nervous system, but his central nervous system starts feeling now the vibrations, the light of the aatma through it. So that, that is why it is known as 'samadhi'. 'Samadhi' means the unconscious. When the unconscious becomes the conscious, it is called as 'samadhi'. So people think beshudha (Unconscious) hone, 'beshudha nahin'. It means you become aware of the unconscious. Not only that, but first you become Nirvichara, then Nirvikalpa and then a complete Self-realization. So, the 'samadhi' is a word, a great confusion. 'Samadhi' just means an universal unconscious. It means the universal unconscious and unconscious [People think that become unconscious is samadhi [Unclear] - Mother speaks in Marathi]. If you are unconscious in the sense, now supposing somebody gives you an injection or you take a drug you become unconscious, means what? You go into subconscious or into supra-conscious, but this is a superconsciousness and superconsciousness is all-pervading sarvavyaapi, 'sukshama'. Yesterday, what he told you about three types of saadhnaas: saatvik and raajasik and taamasik. Taamasik goes to the left side, means into the subconscious and collective sub-conscious connected with the libido on the left hand side, and right side is the supra-conscious connected with the Pingala naadi which is the willpower, as you call it, and connected to the supra-conscious side, goes to the collective supra-conscious. Dev and all these people are sitting that side, dev, devtaas and these are officers, you see. Ganas are on this side on the top, and all those who fail into that, they go into hell. But the center is the super-conscious. For the Sushumna the human beingrise above the super-consciousness. They gradually start becoming more and more aware. They have the same body. For example, if you look at a cell of the brain, is the same as the cell of a fat globule, but there is a difference. So, the difference starts taking, and by the time you open out from here, then there is given a greater dimension to that cell, your brain, that it starts receiving the vibrations and can understand it. And then even is a greater, in Nirvikalpa you get another dimension where you have no doubts; you are knowledge. And the last is the Self-realization where you are just in joy, complete in joy, no problems. You do not catch; nothing happens. I would say our Vaidya saheb is very much near Self-realization, very much near. The way he got his Self-realization itself is remarkable because he felt two ice cubes coming into him and melting out, but he doesn’t catch, you know. I told him about somebody. He said, “I know he is no good. He is a tamasic fellow. Let him go according to his karmas, Mataji. What to do?’ You see, he doesn’t catch, but you people will catch. [Now the next question is about physiological - Mother speaks in Marathi] Physiological, physiological, you can feel it on the hand. You can feel on the fingers. [Read that Marathi book. Everything is written in that - Mother speaks in Marathi] Seeker: Tell scientifically Shri Mataji: [What to tell scientifically in this - Mother speaks in Marathi] You see, scientifically you can say the parasympathetic gets activated. You get the control of the parasympathetic. You jump into the unconscious, the universal unconscious. These are the two points you can say. Now what is the [Told spiritually - Mother speaks in Marathi] Seeker: Where do the vibrations come from? From me, from Her? Shri Mataji: From everywhere. I am the emitting force, all right. Accept it. Seeker: What are you doing to have it..[inaudible]..what way? Shri Mataji: Now this is the vital force of life. You see it; it gives you a complete balance. It corrects your physical being, it corrects your mental being, it corrects your emotional being, it gives you a complete spiritual oneness with God and it integrates you completely. I mean, as far as I am concerned, I have no pashchataap (repentance). I don’t understand what is pashchataap(repentance).. I don’t understand what is temptation. I don’t understand these things because I am complete one with Myself. Every, every finger I move, every hand I move, everything I do, it means something. I have to do, I mean, it is done without thinking, but there is a big thought behind it. It is done because I say haan, I say haan, I say haan. Haan means there is a noose, you know it. There is a formation of a circle which works. Now it’s difficult you know my mechanism is different from you. So I can’t explain what I do because you don’t have those mechanics within you, but it is like that. Even saying huun, haan, hein, all these are tremendous words. They create a kind of a force and a kind of a whirlwind, we can say. A kind of a formation takes in which it engulfs all the bad things that are there or all the rakshasas and all those things and can pull them out. Now I gave it in the matka; just I put My breath in that. It’s pranava itself, complete, and that pranava, you see in the night when they will be sleeping, will come out and take out all these things gradually and bind them and put them inside. You have seen many mad people are cured like this, but to look at it looks like matka and people say, “What is this Mataji is telling matka matka?” and this and that. And I have told you about the Civil Surgeon of Ahmedabad, what happened to him. He told Me, “I can’t do all these nonsensical things.” He was so angry. “You want me to befool me. I can’t listen to all this.” I said, “All right, you go ahead. I don’t say,” and he had become little bit loony. I said, “All right, I don’t say. All right, don’t bring matka,” and third day when I was giving a lecture he was coming there with such a big matka on his head. So I said, “Doctor,” after the lecture. I couldn’t help laughing. After the lecture, I said, “Why did you bring such a big matka? I had not asked you to bring such a big matka. I had asked you to bring such a small matka.” He said, “Mataji, your Maya. That’s how you have killed my ego completely because in the market there was no small matka available. Only this big one was available. So I had to bring such a big matka.” And he was walking through the whole thing, and I was looking at him and I didn’t know where to look. I said, “Look at the Civil Surgeon,” and that convinced people. [Oh Civil Surgeon, a big man carrying such a big matka on his head & going towards Shri Mataji . Inside is bhoot or mad? - Mother speaks in Marathi] Poor Civil Surgeon, but he is a very good man and he’s cured, thank God. So it is like this. Then he retired also after that, and he is a very good Sahaja Yogi, still. So it doesn’t matter. You know these things are not important. Mother says, “All right, matka to matka.” [Shri Krishna cracked Matka. Everything has a meaning. I will tell you everything & listen it. He told sahajayoga in Gokul. It is fun. Why did he crack matka ? Does it have meaning? Mother speaks in Marathi] You will not find it in any book. You will not know it anymore but Mataji knows. She knows all the tricks of Krishna. After all, She’s told you all His tricks also. [And if it is false you see it. Now questions are finished - Mother speaks in Marathi] Seeker: What are the dos and don’ts of Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Don’ts and dos; first and foremost, things that a Sahaja yogi cannot smoke or drink. One absolutely one hundred percent sure, because if you drink or smoke you will find after some time you either you’ll lose your vibrations or you’ll start vomiting. You cannot smoke. If you smoke your Vishudhdhi will be caught. If you drink your Nabhi chakra will be caught and whenever you’ll place your hand towards the photograph all the Nabhi chakra will be burning absolutely. So you’ll say, “What is this happening?” And you’ll give up. You sort of, many people have done it without any difficulty. They do not have any difficulty; they just give up. So this is one of the most important things that you have to gradually give up. Just take My name; you can work it out. We have people here, they will tell you they were alcoholic, they were taking drugs and they were doing all kinds of things. They’ve given up all that and now they are absolutely normal people. First thing is that: don’t drink and don’t smoke. Secondly, don’t fast. When Mother is there you are not to fast. Only fast on Naraka Chaturdashi; that’s all. One day you should not have pharal [Breakfat] [On that day, wake up at 12:00 PM. Eat well - Mother speaks in Marathi]. If you don’t feel like eating, eat something else but don’t leave your stomach empty. You can have some fruit juice or milk or whatever you like. These are certain things about the food and the stomach, Nabhi chakra. Secondly, the eyes are very important things where you have to be careful not to move your eyes very fast anywhere. Try to keep your eyes steady and mostly on the Mother Earth. You see, you have heard about Lakshamana. He never saw the feet of Sitaji, never, never saw Her face. He only saw Her feet. How can that be? He was always living with Her. He had never seen her face; he had just seen His feet. So, you can imagine what should be the position, and for fourteen years he had to lead a complete brahmacharyaa’s life. He just, She was like his mother. He knew She was Adi Shakti, but he just saw Her feet. That should be our case, this thing, that we should lead a sanctified married life. Now supposing somebody is married; then he should not run away with other women, and the other women should not run away with other men. And lead a sanctified life, create a nest of family, a proper family house, try to adopt, compromise, adjust, make your wife realize or make your husband realize and bring peace in the family because there are many great souls who want to take birth, many of them. As soon as you’ll find that such marriages will take place they’ve seen now in our case, you can ask some people from we have here. Ask these girls. There I told them that you must marry. So, one girl married and she has a daughter absolutely realized. So many people have got realized children. [unclear].So many those who got married like this, they have all realized people. So, you must try to get a family life, a proper family, proper relationship. Do service to your parents, to your mothers. Don’t find faults with your parents and try to be kind to them, also to the kind to the wife’s mother parents also and try to be good in the family. Try to bring more peace if they are difficult. I mean, it’s all right. Don’t spoil the children also. Correct them, make them loving. Make a nice society. Every one of you should be the carrier of love of your Mother, everywhere. That is one thing, If you are Sahaja yogis and if you change and transform in your behavior, naturally Sahaja Yoga will have its own reputation and everybody will start taking to Sahaja Yoga [Doing Sahaj yoga & smuggling doing is no good. It will not happen - Mother speaks in Marathi]; impossible. If you do anything like that, immediately your vibrations will go away. There was a gentleman in America, who got realization, and he started a ashram of Sahaja Yoga, started taking money. When he came here people told Me, “Mataji, we get a chakker with this man. What’s wrong with him, You tell me.” Immediately in meditation I knew what was it is. I said, “Give Me the pamphlet.” He gave Me the pamphlet. I said, “You can’t earn money. If you earn money you’ll have a bad time,” and he had a very bad time after that and he had earlier also. Now he’s all right. He says, “I will do some other work.” You cannot earn any money from Sahaja Yoga. Do not have Sahaja yogis for business partnership. No, they are Sahaja yogis. Do not use Sahaja Yoga for making money [Someone stole pair of shoes the other day - Mother speaks in Marathi]. You see, this kind of this limit, this type of people can never be Sahaja Yogis. You have to be generous people. You have to be absolutely honest [Someone stole my things. It is a nonsense. Are you to theft? - Mother speaks in Marathi]. They are thieves. They just come here for thieving. They are not Sahaja Yogis. So such people are also there. [They take pair of shoes - Mother speaks in Marathi] This should not be done. There are Ten Commandments, as you say, and you should not take anybody’s things, and be satisfied in your heart. This is a very simple way of doing things, but you have to lead a chaste life and you have to also see chaste things. For example, [Bad movies is not good - Mother speaks in Marathi] you will not like it also. Your priorities will change. Your friends will change gradually. You will not like dirty jokes, nothing. You’ll just change and you’ll run away from them. I’ve seen these foreigners; now they are telling Me that they just cannot stand all these things now. Once upon a time whatever they could tolerate and enjoy also sometimes, they just cannot stand it and bear it because now you have become saintly. You have to be decent people. [No need to do politics. [Unclear] - Mother speaks in Marathi] So don’t dabble into all these rumors and frivolous things. Don’t waste your precious life. You are Sahaja yogis. Not a single moment to be wasted on all nonsensical things. Every moment should be spent in having dignity for yourself, for others, for loving others. [If someone wants something give it to them - Mother speaks in Marathi]. Don’t be misers at all. Miserly people are against Sahaja Yoga, and if miserly people come I give them trouble. If you are miserly you get lots of trouble. So you don’t get miserly, haan, I’m telling you and don’t be too talkative also, become too talkative and troublesome. I can stop your talking, and if you don’t talk at all that’s also not good. Means don’t go to extremes of anything. These are certain things which you have to know. And don’t, women should not dress up like men, and men should not behave like women. All these nonsenses you should not do. You should be yourself. Supposing you are something in something you are doing you should wear the dresses as you are; now no need to wear funny dresses and go round and have your hair up to this much or try to show off. You see, all these are mythical things. Be normal, natural people and lead a normal, natural, decent life, and it’s not so important. Food is not so important. Whatever you get you get you eat, and don’t talk too much of comfort and don’t also sleep on the thorns, no, no, no, but don’t be absolutely a waster. Be in the center; is a very simple thing for Sahaja yogis. And you see with your vibrations if you have to take a decision, “Should I take this house or not?” Take the vibrations. Anything you see, “What should I do? Should I have, who should I have as a Prime Minister?” Now, see for yourself whom do you want to have a Prime Minister. See four people you put in; see the vibrations. Who has the best? Now, you think of the person. He will not be the one the Prime Minister. You cannot say that he will be because maybe that there are so many horrible people. In a democracy anybody can be brought in but the one, who is a good one, is a Sahaja Yogi. He should be the Prime Minister, and you should ask. If the more people ask for it, he may be. So, decide everything with vibrations, for yourself, for collectiveness or anything, and the most important is you give it to others. And Sahaja Yoga doesn’t work in your houses, families, or in small little groups but it works here in Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan when all of you are here because I’m here. It is a collective work. All of you are cells of one body, and the more cells are awakened, the more the body is active. So, you have to come together, to be together. Love each other. Mix up with others. Do not form groups, no. You should talk to each other very freely, whatever is your language, nationality or whatever it is. And you should mix up with others; is not proper, is a sense of insecurity is expressed if you have a group [Now we are bramhan so they all Brahman will sit together- Mother talks in Marathi]. This kind of a small thing is not there [Muslims sitting together in a group - Mother talks in Marathi] Foreigners are sitting together in a group like that. You see what I’m saying: there should be no grouping done; no need. Be open. All of us, all of us are born of one Mother, we should not feel insecure, we should be not together. It is not that you should avoid also, if you are together all right, now together is all right we are all brothers and sisters.Be very friendly and kind and do not analyze others and criticize others. Better to criticize yourself than to analyze others. Will sit down, “He’s like this because like that.” [He is like these & like that & what about you? Pay attention towards yourself - Mother talks in Marathi]. We should watch ourselves and not others. Why somebody is behaving like that, you just don’t worry. How are you behaving yourself? Are you all right? Are your vibrations all right? And that’s how with love, patience, understanding, I’m sure one day we all will feel the oneness, all of us, and we should help each other. If somebody is sick, we should help. Somebody tells you [If he told you that your heart chakra is catching - Mother speaks in Marathi] somebody. So, there is nothing to get angry. Actually, it’s a great thing he has told you that he can cure you and you cannot see [In the past time this was a problem. If someone is saying that your heart chakra is not clear then he will say, How can you say that my heart chakra is catching ? It is obvious because this finger is burning - Mother talks in Marathi]. So, it is a story told by a person who is not connected. So, you should not sort of identify with yourself. You should identify yourself with the eternal life that is within you and you are going to enjoy it very much. So don’t feel insecure, don’t have too many desires for something and you’ll be surprised that suddenly you’ll find [If it happened or not happens nothing matters - Mother speaks in Marathi]. If it works out, well and good; doesn’t work out well and good, because we are there after all. And if the car gets punctured, all right, we are there after all. Even if the car is not there we are there. We are not lost. So don’t think of the future, don’t think of the past but think of the present and enjoy. That is the message of Sahaja Yoga, and perhaps I’ve covered most of the points for you people, and never try to criticize anyone, never, never, never. And be firm and know that you have just now crossed, so many of you just crossed. So be steady, steadily [Look at front - Mother talks in Marathi] what is going to happen, let us see. Let us see. Be with that. Suddenly, don’t be bumptious about it and otherwise you’ll be rippled back again, you see. So gradually grope the whole thing. When you have got the mastery over it then grip it. But if you are bumptious, anybody can push you down saying that [It is not good - Mother speaks in Marathi]. There are many like that. So be careful. You see, everybody is trying to push you down. In this world there are satanic forces, and you are very special chosen people. That’s why you have got vibrations. There are so many people in Bombay but how many have felt it? You are the very few who have felt it. So be careful about it and meet together in this same number. All of you can be realized fully if you come together and sit together. They say when Mataji is here, they are here. Then Mataji is only busy all of the time. [That’s why I didn’t came to Mumbai this time. Mataji is curing everyone’s catches - Mother speaks in Marathi] Those eight or ten people who have been attending it regularly are the best and they are also busy cleaning you [Don’t do like that. Put on one day Tuesday. Today is the last day. I will come back - Mother speaks in Marathi]. Today is the last day because I’m going on the 25th evening. I’ll be back again in December, I hope so, for one or two days. We’ll have a program, not a long program because we are going on a holiday ? first time in My husband’s life. So, I hope you won’t mind. Then again I’ll come back next summer perhaps I don’t know maybe or maybe next year I may not come. By that time, I hope you people will keep to the [program – Unclear].

3/23/1977

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Prem Dharma, the Dharma of Love

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Prem Dharma, the Dharma of Love, Mumbai, India, 1977-03-23 Translation from Hindi Many people wonder when they see this for the first time if this is Kundalini awakening or some child’s play? For Kundalini awakening so much has been said, one has to stand on his head, take a whole lot of trouble, how does Kundalini awakening happen naturally? Those who have got their Realisation, many that are present here have got it, you did not know how it happened, but when you watch others who got their Realisation, then you will realise you have got it, because you reached the moon suddenly. How you reached there and what you did for that, you don’t know. There is a reason for that and also there is a purpose for that. Only when the time comes for fruition comes, the fruits are borne. But this does not mean whatever was happening before this was not necessary, that was also necessary, now the fruition is also necessary. Some say that in the last ten thousand years no one attained it, now why is it happening? Ten thousand years ago no one went to the Moon, now how have they gone? If it is happening now, why should you doubt it? Ramdas Swami said, ‘There are some people in this world who are called "padat moorak", idiots; those who read a lot and become idiots. The same thing poet Kabir Das said, ‘Padi, padi pandit moorak baye’- "A scholar who reads a lot becomes an idiot". A doubt of this type lingers on- whether it is during the period of Christ, Gnaneshwar, Sankaracharya or Gardus. Anytime! Those who think they are very helpful, special people, those who think they are scholars existed and will always be there. They will always create obstacles and spend priceless moments in such activity. There is no cure for it. Even in Kali-Yuga, some such people have read all the books. Such a person will lose his mind because he has spent so much money to purchase these books and read them. He does not understand, he has read so many books, worked hard, did worship, he did not get it and Mataji waves Her hand and they have got their Realisation! What is this?! There is something or other in Me, that you can make out. Assume that there is a very rich man. If someone asks him for money if he wants he just writes a cheque and the job is done. Some or other wealth I have accumulated. There is some tremendous hard work behind this. For this I will have to put in some hard work, then you will get it clean and tidy. You neither have to work hard or read anything. You just have to attain it. But one thing is certain. The foundation of Sahaja Yoga is dharma (righteousness). Dharma does not mean religion, Hindu, Muslim, etc., it is not that. Dharma means the human attribute, the attribute of humanity. Even this many people take it to mean serving others, giving money to others. Many people cheat some people and build a temple and they will claim they have donated a lot. The second type of people who trouble and torture their daughter-in-law, but they will spread religion in the world. The third type of people will shave their heads, wear ochre-coloured clothes, wear a joge (Dress of a monk) and go around taking the name of Paramatma (God). Another type of people thinks that only they are religious and others are non-religious and go around putting them down. The system of religion is already established within us. Human is born in religion and when he goes against it, then he will decline and he will not be useful for Sahaja Yoga. That is why some attain it-Realisation- and some don’t. Some don’t make progress and some attain it faster. First, you should bind your dharma. But the essence of all religions is the same- love element. If you have the love element in you and if you are filled with the love element, if it influences you absolutely, if it has become part of your life, then there can’t be a bigger attribute than this. Love does not mean you wear some jewelry and go around advertising-I am a great lover and I have done so many favours in this world and I am a lover and a mother lover. This is an attribute from within. You have seen in the life of Rama, b.. (unclear, so using Shabari, the woman ascetic’s name) gave him some berries. You know that in Sahaja Yoga you vibrate all foods before eating it and until it is vibrated you don’t eat it. Until you find grace in it, you don’t eat it. But Ramachandra Ji ate Shabari’s berries straight away. Shabari had put her teeth in them. She tasted each berry. Such partly eaten berries Ramachandra Ji ate them with reverence. The reason for this was Shabari was full of love. Her love for God was guileless, steady. She knew that Ram Ji was an incarnation and she deeply loved Him. She got the berries and she tasted them before giving them to Him and ensured that Ram did not get sour berries and He is not troubled with the sourness. And with this thought, she tasted berries and gave to Ram and Ram ate them. Shabari’s power of love, she would not have listened to any religious discourse and she may not know the difference between a good deed and a sin, she may not be aware of any worldly matter, she does not know what is being rich and what is being poor, maybe she is living in jungles and caverns. She may not be caring for the clothes she is wearing, she may not have invariableness, nor a manifestation of shame. But she had so much love for Ram, she tasted each berry and offered to Ram with extreme innocence and said, ‘ See, I have tasted each berry by putting my teeth in them’. When a human is in love, he becomes guileless, impeccable. Love comes out of practice. It is not done, it happens. Till such time the element of love is not awakened in you, Sahaja Yoga will not settle in you. Many Sahaj Yogis tell me, ‘Mother we meditate for one hour. Okay. We do such and such a thing for four hours and this happens to us. But what is your feeling? When the love for Paramatma descends, when you are absorbed in the love of Paramatma, then you will love with your full heart, the entire creation made by Him and you will love all the creatures made by Him. If you can’t do that, then there is something lacking in your love. When we give a lecture to others and when we tell them you should not have done that, you should not have done this, why did you do this, he should have not said this way, then we do not realise that what we told this man, did we say this out of love, if you say something or do something with a lot of love it does not feel bad. The essence of all religions is love. Parameshwar is the embodiment of love. In Sahaja Yoga only love is complete; there is nothing except love. In that sacrifice happens by itself. In that no other thought whatever comes when sacrificing anything, because the power of love makes one sacrifice. In love, the object will be to love and be loved. And it does not want anything in life. But if there is a fault in you and if you love is not pure, when you give vibrations to others, is there a motive behind it that you should get some benefit from it or profit from it or use it, if you are giving vibrations with these in mind or plan to use it later, then there is something lacking in your love. While you are giving vibrations to someone if you find that there are one or two faults with a chakra or so, you should stimulate it with great love and cajoling and guiding. The whole world is standing today in spite. Humans find some excuse or other to spite. He knows that some way or other form some associations to spite people. Many countries and organisations do not appear to have been formed based on love. Mostly in its folds ‘spite’ appears. That is why slowly these organisations are closed. How profound is the power of love you know? The power which is flowing out of your hands is the manifestation of the power of love. If you are stone-hearted and if you don’t have any sympathy for others, if there is no melody, you can’t progress much in Sahaja Yoga. You should love your children, members of your family, your servants, your neighbours, your acquaintances, whether they have got their Realisation or not. They all can attain if not today, tomorrow. But if you fall along with them then you will also decline and we can’t talk of any upturn for them. They can understand the importance of Sahaja Yoga by seeing your love. Humans have never tried the power of love. Only now it has started after you have got your Realisation in Sahaja Yoga. From then You have known this power; How intense, vast and working is this power. If one wants to look at it from outside ..(Momentary audio break) man jumping mind- that is why I said those who have become fools through excessive reading can’t understand this. But for one who is kind and full of love, Sahaja Yoga is very easy for them. Because it has a very subtle resolution and it can happen to those whose heart is completely made for this world. Siva dwells only in the heart and Parameshwar’s light is seated in our heart in the form of Atma (Spirit). One who has a rigid heart and one who is very harsh to others in his dealings, his heart is deprived of Atma darshan-sight of spirit. Everyone should look towards oneself and check how deep one is in the religion of love. From that, you will know how pure each religion is. Like a small thing, one should not consume narcotics in Sahaja Yoga. You know that one who takes narcotics will have his Nabhi chakra caught up and also Void is caught up and such people will not attain it. Those who consume alcohol, they don’t love themselves. Alcohol or any other narcotic, they know that, will harm them. It harms the family; the family of a drunkard starves. How can he be a model for his children? His children will be noticing him drinking all day. How does he deal with the society around him? He does not value anything in society except for his drink. You can see the form of love in all the religions, which we know as ten dharmas. And if we behave with love in all religions, you will understand that love is such a thing as you have to test Gold, you have to test all your dharmas-attributes. Many people say we worry a lot about food. What they mean is they wash their hands a hundred times, we only eat so much not more, we fast and we trouble people on account of this. If you have so many constraints on your food, don’t go to any one’s house. That will be a very good thing. Whatever you get at a place you should eat it. Even in that, you should assess one thing, whether the person is offering it to you with love or not. If there is no love you should not take it. You can reject it or somehow avoid it. You have to see only one thing, whether the person is offering it with love or not. But if you talk of alcohol, if someone gives it to you with love, should you accept it or not? Definitely not. Because one who is offering you a drink is himself a drunkard, that means he doesn’t love himself and he is also teaching you dirty things such as how not to love. These days if you go to someone’s house for food and if he is offering you food with love, then love’s vibrations make you want to prepare food with your hands for your friend and offer it with love. When you share love, love grows. If you share spite, spite grows. Every Sahaja Yogi should think that until he follows the path of love and until he is dedicated to love, Sahaja Yoga will not be beneficial to him. He has vibrations but he does not feel. There will be a lot of vibrations and people think that a lot of power is flowing out of us. Many have cured many people with their hands. Many people have gained, that is also true. But when we talk of all these where do we place love, we have to see that. When we talk of any of the incarnations.we should take care to notice that .in each incarnation the love’s display was very beautiful and pleasant. In the incarnation of Krishna, Krishna ate at Vidura’s house with a lot of love. They say, ‘Duryodhana mewa tyajo, Vidura ghar saag kayi, sabse oonch prem sagayi’ (Hindi-Krishna preferred an ordinary meal at Vidura’s house to a rich meal at Duryodhana house because of the love of Vidura). See in the life of Christ, people were throwing stones at a prostitute, then Christ who had nothing to do with that prostitute, he went there and stood and said,’ The one who has never sinned can throw stones at her but the first should be thrown at me’. And everyone’s hand dropped. All these things happen out of love. Love does not come from money. Love does not come by showing off. Love does not happen by speaking. Love happens inside by knowing that there is a lot of compassion from Parameshwar, especially Sahaja Yogis have to think. Like you asked me, Why did it happen in this birth, why did we get it in this birth? Because it is inside? His boon, His love. It came inside you. And the more subtle path it makes inside you, the more your love’s sensitivity increases. But every time it is the same thing; it is not for shallow people it is not for people with a bad disposition. Those who criticise day in and day out, it is their job to talk ill of others, it is not for them. But those who have loved in this world, who has got the name everywhere that he is full of love. You also look in your life, you only remember that person who has deeply loved you. You will not remember the person who might have given even huge money. One may give you a lot of things and also take you to great heights but you will still remember only the person who loved you deeply. We should know all the attributes which are in us, through love. The explanations of religion made in our country are so narrow and limited that there is spite in place of love. Such dharmas have been made like a widow should not take food with anyone. What kind of dharma is that? It can’t be dharma of any place. Whether it is a widow or widower it is like a stroke for them. When someone faces such a problem, a Sahaja Yogi should vehemently help such people and pacify them, instead of torture and trouble them. This is adharma. In the name of any religion, adharma is done that can’t be dharma. In this way someone is made untouchable, shows someone as a bad person and teaches one to spite such people is not a dharma. In Sahaja Yoga, there is no scope whatsoever for such dharma. True dharma is one that generates love. There are dharmas of other types like we will not eat sweets today, we will fast today, we will do this today. We may be troubling others with these. Such dharmas can never be dharma. The third type will go to temples whether there is money at home or not and benefit. We will donate money to children. We will allow ourselves to be robbed. This also can’t be dharma. We don’t have food for our children, when we don’t pay attention to our children, when we can’t take care of our family members and those who waste their time, I don’t approve. I will go to this extent and say if someone is wasting time in meditation and leaves the family with hunger, then such a person shouldn’t meditate. Dharma means keeping a full arrangement for love. And you should be vigilant all around with love and that is dharma and till you get this dharma you can’t go beyond dharma. A person goes beyond dharma when he becomes love itself. After that nothing is left. Whatever he does he does in love. Like the killings done by Sri Krishna. Even if he kills someone he does so in love. When Christ took a hunter in his hand and started beating people because they were marketing in the temples, even that was out of love. Everything turns into love and he goes beyond dharma. It won’t remain dharma anymore. It becomes total love. Whatever he does, whatever he says, whatever he speaks, whatever he eats, drinks, is dharma that is love. I see many times in Sahaja Yoga after becoming a superhuman from a human, you don’t understand that the organisation of love is the biggest organisation. You should be vigilant about love. Someone who beats his wife, if a woman troubles her husband and thinks that she is a great Sahaja Yogini, they should realise that it is a big sin. There is no room for troubling anyone in Sahaja Yoga. There is no scope for beating anyone in Sahaja Yoga. Whichever way you wave your hand only the power of love flows and there can only be good, it can never be harm. However much you may try you can never harm anyone. Only when you move away from Sahaja Yoga, when you decline in Sahaja Yoga then you may harm. In all the religions this has been said about dharma openly, not by an individual. But human always runs towards myth, that is why whatever adverse form dharma takes, we accept it. Like Christ has said that one should not take the help of ghosts and phantoms. Mohammad Sahib has said don’t take alcoholic drinks, etc. Raja Janaka has said that you should treat all humans with the same attitude in the presence of Parameshwar. Nanak has said the Parameshwar dwells in all human beings in this world. He also prohibited all narcotics. But what are his ardent followers and close supporters doing? What are Christ’s supporters doing? Christ has said that a human should be innocent like a child. Regarding sex, Christ said that people should be celibate and in marriage sex should be used in a very orderly way. But in what state are his disciples? What order have they made? How are they conducting themselves? If you notice, you will be surprised, are they Christians of Christ or was there a demon by the name Christ and these are his disciples. In Hindu religion a great thing has been said, only one Atma dwells in each individual. We take birth several times in this world, we seek it many times but we seek everything in one Janma. When we are born several times how can we be Muslims, Hindus, etc? How can we say someone is inferior and someone is superior? I explained to you several times and you understand it fully. Until you are not totally absorbed in love, Sahaja Yoga will not settle down in this world. If one flower of love blooms somewhere, its fragrance will permeate the whole world. You also think that you had got a person in your life, how much love he had given-even if there is one person like that you will be surprised there will be thousands of people will be after him and beg him for love, they demand it. And those who boast about love and rob people in the name of love, confuse them, tell them lies, such people will be deserted. Love is such a thing it touches the heart and that is Paramatma’s biggest dharma. If there is a dharma of Parameshwar it is love. You meditate on your love element and to those who have come for the first time, I will give Realisation and try to ensure that they attain it. All should look at their love element and check how far we have loved and how many people we have loved in this world.

Prem Dharma, the Dharma of Love, Mumbai, India, 1977-03-23 Translation from Hindi Many people wonder when they see this for the first time if this is Kundalini awakening or some child’s play? For Kundalini awakening so much has been said, one has to stand on his head, take a whole lot of trouble, how does Kundalini awakening happen naturally? Those who have got their Realisation, many that are present here have got it, you did not know how it happened, but when you watch others who got their Realisation, then you will realise you have got it, because you reached the moon suddenly. How you reached there and what you did for that, you don’t know. There is a reason for that and also there is a purpose for that. Only when the time comes for fruition comes, the fruits are borne. But this does not mean whatever was happening before this was not necessary, that was also necessary, now the fruition is also necessary. Some say that in the last ten thousand years no one attained it, now why is it happening? Ten thousand years ago no one went to the Moon, now how have they gone? If it is happening now, why should you doubt it? Ramdas Swami said, ‘There are some people in this world who are called "padat moorak", idiots; those who read a lot and become idiots. The same thing poet Kabir Das said, ‘Padi, padi pandit moorak baye’- "A scholar who reads a lot becomes an idiot". A doubt of this type lingers on- whether it is during the period of Christ, Gnaneshwar, Sankaracharya or Gardus. Anytime! Those who think they are very helpful, special people, those who think they are scholars existed and will always be there. They will always create obstacles and spend priceless moments in such activity. There is no cure for it. Even in Kali-Yuga, some such people have read all the books. Such a person will lose his mind because he has spent so much money to purchase these books and read them. He does not understand, he has read so many books, worked hard, did worship, he did not get it and Mataji waves Her hand and they have got their Realisation! What is this?! There is something or other in Me, that you can make out. Assume that there is a very rich man. If someone asks him for money if he wants he just writes a cheque and the job is done. Some or other wealth I have accumulated. There is some tremendous hard work behind this. For this I will have to put in some hard work, then you will get it clean and tidy. You neither have to work hard or read anything. You just have to attain it. But one thing is certain. The foundation of Sahaja Yoga is dharma (righteousness). Dharma does not mean religion, Hindu, Muslim, etc., it is not that. Dharma means the human attribute, the attribute of humanity. Even this many people take it to mean serving others, giving money to others. Many people cheat some people and build a temple and they will claim they have donated a lot. The second type of people who trouble and torture their daughter-in-law, but they will spread religion in the world. The third type of people will shave their heads, wear ochre-coloured clothes, wear a joge (Dress of a monk) and go around taking the name of Paramatma (God). Another type of people thinks that only they are religious and others are non-religious and go around putting them down. The system of religion is already established within us. Human is born in religion and when he goes against it, then he will decline and he will not be useful for Sahaja Yoga. That is why some attain it-Realisation- and some don’t. Some don’t make progress and some attain it faster. First, you should bind your dharma. But the essence of all religions is the same- love element. If you have the love element in you and if you are filled with the love element, if it influences you absolutely, if it has become part of your life, then there can’t be a bigger attribute than this. Love does not mean you wear some jewelry and go around advertising-I am a great lover and I have done so many favours in this world and I am a lover and a mother lover. This is an attribute from within. You have seen in the life of Rama, b.. (unclear, so using Shabari, the woman ascetic’s name) gave him some berries. You know that in Sahaja Yoga you vibrate all foods before eating it and until it is vibrated you don’t eat it. Until you find grace in it, you don’t eat it. But Ramachandra Ji ate Shabari’s berries straight away. Shabari had put her teeth in them. She tasted each berry. Such partly eaten berries Ramachandra Ji ate them with reverence. The reason for this was Shabari was full of love. Her love for God was guileless, steady. She knew that Ram Ji was an incarnation and she deeply loved Him. She got the berries and she tasted them before giving them to Him and ensured that Ram did not get sour berries and He is not troubled with the sourness. And with this thought, she tasted berries and gave to Ram and Ram ate them. Shabari’s power of love, she would not have listened to any religious discourse and she may not know the difference between a good deed and a sin, she may not be aware of any worldly matter, she does not know what is being rich and what is being poor, maybe she is living in jungles and caverns. She may not be caring for the clothes she is wearing, she may not have invariableness, nor a manifestation of shame. But she had so much love for Ram, she tasted each berry and offered to Ram with extreme innocence and said, ‘ See, I have tasted each berry by putting my teeth in them’. When a human is in love, he becomes guileless, impeccable. Love comes out of practice. It is not done, it happens. Till such time the element of love is not awakened in you, Sahaja Yoga will not settle in you. Many Sahaj Yogis tell me, ‘Mother we meditate for one hour. Okay. We do such and such a thing for four hours and this happens to us. But what is your feeling? When the love for Paramatma descends, when you are absorbed in the love of Paramatma, then you will love with your full heart, the entire creation made by Him and you will love all the creatures made by Him. If you can’t do that, then there is something lacking in your love. When we give a lecture to others and when we tell them you should not have done that, you should not have done this, why did you do this, he should have not said this way, then we do not realise that what we told this man, did we say this out of love, if you say something or do something with a lot of love it does not feel bad. The essence of all religions is love. Parameshwar is the embodiment of love. In Sahaja Yoga only love is complete; there is nothing except love. In that sacrifice happens by itself. In that no other thought whatever comes when sacrificing anything, because the power of love makes one sacrifice. In love, the object will be to love and be loved. And it does not want anything in life. But if there is a fault in you and if you love is not pure, when you give vibrations to others, is there a motive behind it that you should get some benefit from it or profit from it or use it, if you are giving vibrations with these in mind or plan to use it later, then there is something lacking in your love. While you are giving vibrations to someone if you find that there are one or two faults with a chakra or so, you should stimulate it with great love and cajoling and guiding. The whole world is standing today in spite. Humans find some excuse or other to spite. He knows that some way or other form some associations to spite people. Many countries and organisations do not appear to have been formed based on love. Mostly in its folds ‘spite’ appears. That is why slowly these organisations are closed. How profound is the power of love you know? The power which is flowing out of your hands is the manifestation of the power of love. If you are stone-hearted and if you don’t have any sympathy for others, if there is no melody, you can’t progress much in Sahaja Yoga. You should love your children, members of your family, your servants, your neighbours, your acquaintances, whether they have got their Realisation or not. They all can attain if not today, tomorrow. But if you fall along with them then you will also decline and we can’t talk of any upturn for them. They can understand the importance of Sahaja Yoga by seeing your love. Humans have never tried the power of love. Only now it has started after you have got your Realisation in Sahaja Yoga. From then You have known this power; How intense, vast and working is this power. If one wants to look at it from outside ..(Momentary audio break) man jumping mind- that is why I said those who have become fools through excessive reading can’t understand this. But for one who is kind and full of love, Sahaja Yoga is very easy for them. Because it has a very subtle resolution and it can happen to those whose heart is completely made for this world. Siva dwells only in the heart and Parameshwar’s light is seated in our heart in the form of Atma (Spirit). One who has a rigid heart and one who is very harsh to others in his dealings, his heart is deprived of Atma darshan-sight of spirit. Everyone should look towards oneself and check how deep one is in the religion of love. From that, you will know how pure each religion is. Like a small thing, one should not consume narcotics in Sahaja Yoga. You know that one who takes narcotics will have his Nabhi chakra caught up and also Void is caught up and such people will not attain it. Those who consume alcohol, they don’t love themselves. Alcohol or any other narcotic, they know that, will harm them. It harms the family; the family of a drunkard starves. How can he be a model for his children? His children will be noticing him drinking all day. How does he deal with the society around him? He does not value anything in society except for his drink. You can see the form of love in all the religions, which we know as ten dharmas. And if we behave with love in all religions, you will understand that love is such a thing as you have to test Gold, you have to test all your dharmas-attributes. Many people say we worry a lot about food. What they mean is they wash their hands a hundred times, we only eat so much not more, we fast and we trouble people on account of this. If you have so many constraints on your food, don’t go to any one’s house. That will be a very good thing. Whatever you get at a place you should eat it. Even in that, you should assess one thing, whether the person is offering it to you with love or not. If there is no love you should not take it. You can reject it or somehow avoid it. You have to see only one thing, whether the person is offering it with love or not. But if you talk of alcohol, if someone gives it to you with love, should you accept it or not? Definitely not. Because one who is offering you a drink is himself a drunkard, that means he doesn’t love himself and he is also teaching you dirty things such as how not to love. These days if you go to someone’s house for food and if he is offering you food with love, then love’s vibrations make you want to prepare food with your hands for your friend and offer it with love. When you share love, love grows. If you share spite, spite grows. Every Sahaja Yogi should think that until he follows the path of love and until he is dedicated to love, Sahaja Yoga will not be beneficial to him. He has vibrations but he does not feel. There will be a lot of vibrations and people think that a lot of power is flowing out of us. Many have cured many people with their hands. Many people have gained, that is also true. But when we talk of all these where do we place love, we have to see that. When we talk of any of the incarnations.we should take care to notice that .in each incarnation the love’s display was very beautiful and pleasant. In the incarnation of Krishna, Krishna ate at Vidura’s house with a lot of love. They say, ‘Duryodhana mewa tyajo, Vidura ghar saag kayi, sabse oonch prem sagayi’ (Hindi-Krishna preferred an ordinary meal at Vidura’s house to a rich meal at Duryodhana house because of the love of Vidura). See in the life of Christ, people were throwing stones at a prostitute, then Christ who had nothing to do with that prostitute, he went there and stood and said,’ The one who has never sinned can throw stones at her but the first should be thrown at me’. And everyone’s hand dropped. All these things happen out of love. Love does not come from money. Love does not come by showing off. Love does not happen by speaking. Love happens inside by knowing that there is a lot of compassion from Parameshwar, especially Sahaja Yogis have to think. Like you asked me, Why did it happen in this birth, why did we get it in this birth? Because it is inside? His boon, His love. It came inside you. And the more subtle path it makes inside you, the more your love’s sensitivity increases. But every time it is the same thing; it is not for shallow people it is not for people with a bad disposition. Those who criticise day in and day out, it is their job to talk ill of others, it is not for them. But those who have loved in this world, who has got the name everywhere that he is full of love. You also look in your life, you only remember that person who has deeply loved you. You will not remember the person who might have given even huge money. One may give you a lot of things and also take you to great heights but you will still remember only the person who loved you deeply. We should know all the attributes which are in us, through love. The explanations of religion made in our country are so narrow and limited that there is spite in place of love. Such dharmas have been made like a widow should not take food with anyone. What kind of dharma is that? It can’t be dharma of any place. Whether it is a widow or widower it is like a stroke for them. When someone faces such a problem, a Sahaja Yogi should vehemently help such people and pacify them, instead of torture and trouble them. This is adharma. In the name of any religion, adharma is done that can’t be dharma. In this way someone is made untouchable, shows someone as a bad person and teaches one to spite such people is not a dharma. In Sahaja Yoga, there is no scope whatsoever for such dharma. True dharma is one that generates love. There are dharmas of other types like we will not eat sweets today, we will fast today, we will do this today. We may be troubling others with these. Such dharmas can never be dharma. The third type will go to temples whether there is money at home or not and benefit. We will donate money to children. We will allow ourselves to be robbed. This also can’t be dharma. We don’t have food for our children, when we don’t pay attention to our children, when we can’t take care of our family members and those who waste their time, I don’t approve. I will go to this extent and say if someone is wasting time in meditation and leaves the family with hunger, then such a person shouldn’t meditate. Dharma means keeping a full arrangement for love. And you should be vigilant all around with love and that is dharma and till you get this dharma you can’t go beyond dharma. A person goes beyond dharma when he becomes love itself. After that nothing is left. Whatever he does he does in love. Like the killings done by Sri Krishna. Even if he kills someone he does so in love. When Christ took a hunter in his hand and started beating people because they were marketing in the temples, even that was out of love. Everything turns into love and he goes beyond dharma. It won’t remain dharma anymore. It becomes total love. Whatever he does, whatever he says, whatever he speaks, whatever he eats, drinks, is dharma that is love. I see many times in Sahaja Yoga after becoming a superhuman from a human, you don’t understand that the organisation of love is the biggest organisation. You should be vigilant about love. Someone who beats his wife, if a woman troubles her husband and thinks that she is a great Sahaja Yogini, they should realise that it is a big sin. There is no room for troubling anyone in Sahaja Yoga. There is no scope for beating anyone in Sahaja Yoga. Whichever way you wave your hand only the power of love flows and there can only be good, it can never be harm. However much you may try you can never harm anyone. Only when you move away from Sahaja Yoga, when you decline in Sahaja Yoga then you may harm. In all the religions this has been said about dharma openly, not by an individual. But human always runs towards myth, that is why whatever adverse form dharma takes, we accept it. Like Christ has said that one should not take the help of ghosts and phantoms. Mohammad Sahib has said don’t take alcoholic drinks, etc. Raja Janaka has said that you should treat all humans with the same attitude in the presence of Parameshwar. Nanak has said the Parameshwar dwells in all human beings in this world. He also prohibited all narcotics. But what are his ardent followers and close supporters doing? What are Christ’s supporters doing? Christ has said that a human should be innocent like a child. Regarding sex, Christ said that people should be celibate and in marriage sex should be used in a very orderly way. But in what state are his disciples? What order have they made? How are they conducting themselves? If you notice, you will be surprised, are they Christians of Christ or was there a demon by the name Christ and these are his disciples. In Hindu religion a great thing has been said, only one Atma dwells in each individual. We take birth several times in this world, we seek it many times but we seek everything in one Janma. When we are born several times how can we be Muslims, Hindus, etc? How can we say someone is inferior and someone is superior? I explained to you several times and you understand it fully. Until you are not totally absorbed in love, Sahaja Yoga will not settle down in this world. If one flower of love blooms somewhere, its fragrance will permeate the whole world. You also think that you had got a person in your life, how much love he had given-even if there is one person like that you will be surprised there will be thousands of people will be after him and beg him for love, they demand it. And those who boast about love and rob people in the name of love, confuse them, tell them lies, such people will be deserted. Love is such a thing it touches the heart and that is Paramatma’s biggest dharma. If there is a dharma of Parameshwar it is love. You meditate on your love element and to those who have come for the first time, I will give Realisation and try to ensure that they attain it. All should look at their love element and check how far we have loved and how many people we have loved in this world.

3/25/1977

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Sahaja Yoga is a big blessing 25-03-1977 These people have organized a nice event here that I have come to meet you all here in Kharegaon. These are old coincidences. Belonging to past lifetimes. And we will not be able to understand it so well how they repeat themselves because we do not know about our past births. But these are coincidences from past lives, and that is why today again, in this life also, this is an excellent opportunity to meet you all. I feel so happy to come here that I cannot truly express in words. I know that Sahaja Yoga will reach the rural areas in a really good way. Because people who live in the cities, think they are very intelligent. One because mostly they are learned people without wisdom (pseudo-educated). If they are not pseudo educated then on the basis of money and power they consider themselves special. They think that they only have created this whole world. Even the sky is also created by them and they consider themselves God and that there is no such thing called God in this world. While committing any bad deed, the thought of God never enters their minds, that we are doing something immoral, against the Dharma. Even today the rural settlements or rural folks believe in the existence of God. Our land of India is a land of yoga (Yogabhumi) and Rama (Shri Rama) and Sita(Shri Sita) have blessed this land, have made it holy by walking bare feet here. In the rural society, there is simplicity, innocence, and utter devotion towards God, which many people exploit, means many people tell lies and rob them of their money. By terrifying the simple folk, by telling some fraudulent things about God, by creating bizarre thoughts in them, they are fleecing them of their money. It is a very sad thing that this is happening in all villages, but Shankar (Lord Shiva) Himself is sitting behind all these innocent people, and He is protecting them all. God is enticed by the simplicity of these innocent people and is always there to help them. But you should not disbelieve God even for a moment. We must remember simple things like we cannot purchase God in the market or a representative of God is not supposed to take money from you. If he robs money from you then he is not a representative of God. And if he is asking money for any reason then straightaway tell him that look we have nothing to do with you The second thing, cities have lot many diseases as compared to the rural areas. This is quite surprising. The reason for this is the clean air, the environment, as also the holy deeds. People have pure hearts. But our Sahaja yogis have worked very hard to eradicate the diseases. And once you have reached the position of self-realization in Sahaja yoga, then you will not need any medicine or doctors etc. All diseases, mental or physical diseases will disappear for good. You don’t have to give any money in Sahaja yoga, you don’t have to take any special effort for it. No effort at all. Just like a seed sprouts by itself similarly the seed within you sprouts. You have that seedling inside you and the scholars have given it a name as Kundalini. As every seed has the seedling, similarly you too have a seedling within you. But if a seed is rotten or if the seed is not fully developed, then it takes some time to sprout. I only pour the water of my love on the seed or the seedling. Don’t do anything else. And for that what else can one do? The seed sprouts by itself. Similarly the seedling within you placed by the Almighty, sprouts by itself. But the only thing is that if you have a decorated lamp it does not get lit up by itself, one needs to bring a lit lamp near it. In the same way in Sahaja yoga, only a lit lamp can light up the unlit lamps. And when other lamps get lit up then they can light up others. This is the process. But a lamp may have its wick slid out of place, or a lamp might be damaged, or a lamp may not have enough oil, so even that can be set right upfront in Sahaja Yoga. Kundalini is your Mother, who takes birth with you every time you are born. She resides in you and you know how holy a mother is. But this purity is your Mother and she is waiting for the moment when such a person who is full of that that love, comes in front of you then Kundalini rises automatically and you have that realization. Today we are going to have a little experiment about it here. And I hope that many of you will experience it. It happens so naturally that people find it hard to believe that how could we have got it so quickly - because they think normally people have to do fasting and they have to do this and that. Then they need to go to the forest, do penance. Now let’s imagine that if someone did not know the way to Kalve and if he had to come searching for it on foot from Mumbai, say 50 years back . Then he would have taken a lot many hours. But today we have come in a car. So we did not take as much time - Not only hours but would have taken days – We straightway started from there and reached here. So the outward progress we have made in the modern times, like the tree has progressed outside, then its roots also must have progressed. Then this progress which the roots have made will not be immediately discerned by you. Because you can notice the progress of the tree. Unless you see the roots, you will not understand. This is work of the roots. And when the source is discovered, if the source itself is available, if the root gets connected to a spring, then there is no question – of the tree dying or suffering in any way. However large the tree becomes, it can still get the supply of water. Similarly Sahaja Yoga is found in the modern age of Kaliyuga and everybody should take advantage of it. Only Sahaja Yoga does not have place for shallow minded people. Means people who are used to making fun of or belittle others – even if these people get the vibrations these will go away. Faith is a must. One must have faith in the Almighty. Whatever you say, if you do not have faith in someone then why should he look after your welfare? You say, ‘Mataji please cure my child but we do not have faith in you’ then why should I cure. Just think, even if I say out of love lets cure him but several deities who are there to cure him, they must agree to it. Lord Hanumaan should agree, Lord Ganesha should agree, Lord Shankar should agree, Lord Krishna should agree that this person is OK. Otherwise they say that there is no need to help them. These are shallow minded people. Have just come for this sake. There is no point in helping them. Thousands of people have been cured through Sahaja Yoga, several diseases have been cured. In addition thousands of people have got their realization. Those who have got their realization, they too are curing others. This one thing you must remember in Sahaja Yoga that a human being does not know everything about himself. He does not know that what happens to him after he dies, what he was before taking this birth? or what is going to happen in the future, he does not know all these things about himself. So you have to follow some rules of Sahaja yoga, one small thing is that Sahaja Yogi should not let anyone put kumkum on their forehead. You should only allow another realized person to put kumkum on you, should not allow to touch your forehead. Normally you will ask,” Mataji, why is it so ?” Vibrations flow through everyone. As we say, this person has a good hand , this person ‘s hand is not good. His hand is good for farming. His hand is good for medicine. The reason for this is that we have vibrations flowing through our hands. If someone has very bad vibrations flowing through his hands and if he touches your forehead then you will also get bad thoughts. So it is a rule in Sahaja Yoga that you should guard your forehead. God has created the forehead of a human being with great thought. And you must think a lot if you wish to bow it before someone. If you move around bowing your head before everyone and if he is happens to be a demon (rakshasa) then the bad qualities of that demon will easily get transferred into you. There are a few such rules if you follow them then you will attain Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Yoga is a big blessing. You will be surprised that if you recount experiences of Sahaja Yoga to people, you will be surprised. Once a Sahaja yogi was travelling by train, and the train had an accident. The entire train turned upside down but nobody was injured. Amongst them, there was their small child who was thrown far away but still he was absolutely fine. People were so surprised that how can that be? So Sahaja Yoga helps obviate accidents. Means how does this happen? You will say how does this happen? We have total faith in Shri Hanumaan, and are always chanting his name. While entering the village, generally there is a temple of Shri Hanumaan. But we do not realize that Shri Hanumana is everywhere, only thing is we are not connected to Him, Otherwise with just one call He would be standing before you, not only that but wherever a Sahaja yogi moves about, he is connected to the Almighty, and he is protected by HIM. Shri Ganesha is everywhere, we think that Shri Ganesha is only sitting in the temple; He is there to help everyone. He is everywhere. If any Sahaja yogi suffers then Shri Ganesha removes his suffering. We all say that yes ,” there is Shri Ganesha, there is Shri Hanumana we want to celebrate the birthday of Shri Dattatreya, There is Shri Shankara.” We have faith in all of them but we do not understand that this body of ours – and whatever we see through our eyes, and the environment we are in, this all is influenced by them and they keep a proper vigil on all this. You will not realize this until you get connected to the Almighty. Just like – Now I am speaking with you through this mike. If it is not connected to the mains then you will not be able to hear anything. Similarly until you become one with God or you get yourself realization, till then even if you call HIM, how will HE hear you? We keep on chanting the almighty’s name day and night and sometimes in such a perfunctory manner as if He is our servant. Continuously ask Him to do something or the other, “You do this, you do that, do this for my father, you do this for my son.” But what right do you have on the Almighty? What have you done for the Almighty? Are you connected to God? For example if you want to meet the president then you need to send a request letter. You need to seek permission from them. If you land straightaway in front of Him and say,” Hey President, do this for me” will you not be arrested by the police ? So you do not have the right and the recognition of this right is, that when a person achieves his self realization, he feels divine vibrations flowing through his hands as indicated by Shri Shankaracharya. And the same is happening today. It is not a bluff about the Almighty. Today I can prove the existence of God, you can prove it too. So this path, as they say,” is not the work of any Tom Dick and Harry”. To walk on this path people should have faith. If you have the simplicity, the innocence and the desire to know the almighty then all of you can reach tremendous heights. Nobody is going to become a saint by wearing saffron clothes and by shaving their hair. That way the sheep get their hair sheared every day so do they become saints because of that? Nobody becomes a saint by changing clothes. By changing the outward appearance nobody becomes a saint. We have had so many saints in this country, like Saint Tukaram. He did not renounce the world (take sanyas). No Saint has to renounce the world. Because a saint becomes an ascetic from inside. Your attitude changes from inside. So you don’t have to show or exhibit anything outside to show that you have changed. Whatever has to happen, happens inside, you feel that within. Now some of the people present here might feel that for a little while they got vibrations on their hands. ‘Mataji, we felt that we had the divine vibrations on our hands.’ And after some time, not only four or five, but ten people might experience those vibrations. Four may not get. Then those four people, who did not experience, will say with hatred that this all is humbug, this and that. Then those ten will also go along with these four. The human brain is half baked. This is a very new experience and it takes time for it to set in. If you say that it should happen instantaneously or in a minute, it will happen but you need to give it some time, you need to position yourself for it, you need to make a little effort. You need to make an effort to sustain it after you get yourself realization and not before. They have asked me to come here to Kalwe, and I don’t know what further program they have arranged. But I would have liked us to go into meditation, and see if we could achieve your self-realization. And then if there are any patients etc. I would see them. Now if you have any questions, you can ask me, I will be very happy to respond. Do you have any questions? Just ask. (Someone asks a question, but not quite clear) As a response to one of the questions, Shri Mataji said,” Suppose there is a cemetery (Crematorium). Cemetery, they say, should be outside the town. But what people do – Let it be a Cemetery or anything, wherever they see a vacant land – Now we have a Cemetery at Mumbai. And they have created a play area for kids on that land. So will not the kids who go there, get affected? Because they have their graves out there. People do not think about such things. Modern person of today does not have this common sense. And in the same way today residential colonies are made. So these people and you too should take kum kum to protect yourself. Later on when you will come to know what is involved, you would be surprised to know that you have been saved from such a great trouble. This is why people become mad, go to the asylum. They become ill, die. But they don’t understand how they got this illness and from where? How did this happen in our home?. Even small children get affected. Because you do not have any idea about yourself, then how you are you going to know about anybody else? What has affected them, who are they? Now consider a simple thing. You have gone to the temple. God is there in the temple. You must pay your obeisance only to HIM. The temple is very necessary. It is for everyone. But imagine that the priest out there is a fraud, just imagine. And if he is doing some bad deeds, practices ill, black magic etc., and imagine he gives you the prasad, and then will it not go into your stomach? How are you going to know? If you are simple people you will not know anything. But if you are a Sahaja Yogi then then you will immediately vomit whatever you have consumed. It will not remain in your stomach. If any such thing enters your stomach then it will definitely go away. It will not stay at all. And then when you come home you suddenly have a stomach ache, then had a strong bout., suddenly died in the hospital. What happened Mataji, we could not understand. And you can understanding all these symptoms can happen only when you know yourself and hence know others. Because you have not recognized yourself. You have not understood it before how strong your power within is. The moment you realize it, you will know what ailment this person has, what ailment the other person has and if that ailment is troublesome to you then you can even protect yourself from it. How do you recognize this? You must understand this capability. Shri Mataji talking to the seeker who asked the question in Hindi: So you can also come here and learn all about it. These people who are sitting here will make you a master in all aspects of Kundalini. They are all masters in Kundalini. They have cured thousands of people of their illnesses. Shri Mataji pointing towards some yogi, saying: He is from Dhule. There is a centre there. This person has cured thousands of people of their diseases. His son is a doctor and the other one is a big landlord. They have started a centre. Thousands of people have been cured by them. I can say that since the day they got their self realization, they have not charged for any medicine. His sons have got their self realization. All of them have got their self realization. Now that there are all these things available in Kalve, you should do it. People should pay attention to Sahaja Yoga and achieve it. So as I said, in Sahaja yoga it is not you take your realisation and then you forget about it. You must understand it, no; you have to find out everything about it, to know how it works. Let’s say if I provide you with electricity but do not tell you how to switch it on then how would you know? You have to learn the complete thing. But generally if you keep two three things in mind then you will not face any problem. One thing is to give bandhan to oneself, and soaking feet in salt water. Thus you can be alright with a couple of such things. No need to do too many things. Maybe you only came once and did not come afterwards, so you do not know everything. In addition keep on discussing with these people. This will not do. This is the work of God. Have to learn a few things. Now see this example. You need to spend many years to work with electricity. And this is the work of God. You definitely need to learn a little. Which finger to use during worships (pooja), how the flowers are to be offered. It is true that these are very small things. You need not get into too many details. Learn a few things at least. Now ask questions if you have any. Do you have any questions? Do the youngsters have any questions? Now see that drinking is prohibited in sahaj yoga. Normally I don’t tell anyone to stop drinking. But after coming to Sahaja yoga you won’t feel like drinking alcohol. And if you drink, you will vomit straight-away, you won’t be able to drink, you will suffer a lot. Smoking is also prohibited. After becoming a Sahaja Yogi, if you start smoking, you will suffer a lot. You will not have the urge to smoke, you will leave it. Nobody smokes cigarette at our place. I do not tell anyone to give up smoking, but it just happens automatically. There was one person in Singapore, he used to drink a lot. His wife brought him to me to make him give up his drinking habit. He got his self realization, I don’t know how. After that whenever he tried to drink he uses to smell some fragrance. The fragrance used to be so intense that he used to keep enjoying it and forgot about drinking.

Sahaja Yoga is a big blessing 25-03-1977 These people have organized a nice event here that I have come to meet you all here in Kharegaon. These are old coincidences. Belonging to past lifetimes. And we will not be able to understand it so well how they repeat themselves because we do not know about our past births. But these are coincidences from past lives, and that is why today again, in this life also, this is an excellent opportunity to meet you all. I feel so happy to come here that I cannot truly express in words. I know that Sahaja Yoga will reach the rural areas in a really good way. Because people who live in the cities, think they are very intelligent. One because mostly they are learned people without wisdom (pseudo-educated). If they are not pseudo educated then on the basis of money and power they consider themselves special. They think that they only have created this whole world. Even the sky is also created by them and they consider themselves God and that there is no such thing called God in this world. While committing any bad deed, the thought of God never enters their minds, that we are doing something immoral, against the Dharma. Even today the rural settlements or rural folks believe in the existence of God. Our land of India is a land of yoga (Yogabhumi) and Rama (Shri Rama) and Sita(Shri Sita) have blessed this land, have made it holy by walking bare feet here. In the rural society, there is simplicity, innocence, and utter devotion towards God, which many people exploit, means many people tell lies and rob them of their money. By terrifying the simple folk, by telling some fraudulent things about God, by creating bizarre thoughts in them, they are fleecing them of their money. It is a very sad thing that this is happening in all villages, but Shankar (Lord Shiva) Himself is sitting behind all these innocent people, and He is protecting them all. God is enticed by the simplicity of these innocent people and is always there to help them. But you should not disbelieve God even for a moment. We must remember simple things like we cannot purchase God in the market or a representative of God is not supposed to take money from you. If he robs money from you then he is not a representative of God. And if he is asking money for any reason then straightaway tell him that look we have nothing to do with you The second thing, cities have lot many diseases as compared to the rural areas. This is quite surprising. The reason for this is the clean air, the environment, as also the holy deeds. People have pure hearts. But our Sahaja yogis have worked very hard to eradicate the diseases. And once you have reached the position of self-realization in Sahaja yoga, then you will not need any medicine or doctors etc. All diseases, mental or physical diseases will disappear for good. You don’t have to give any money in Sahaja yoga, you don’t have to take any special effort for it. No effort at all. Just like a seed sprouts by itself similarly the seed within you sprouts. You have that seedling inside you and the scholars have given it a name as Kundalini. As every seed has the seedling, similarly you too have a seedling within you. But if a seed is rotten or if the seed is not fully developed, then it takes some time to sprout. I only pour the water of my love on the seed or the seedling. Don’t do anything else. And for that what else can one do? The seed sprouts by itself. Similarly the seedling within you placed by the Almighty, sprouts by itself. But the only thing is that if you have a decorated lamp it does not get lit up by itself, one needs to bring a lit lamp near it. In the same way in Sahaja yoga, only a lit lamp can light up the unlit lamps. And when other lamps get lit up then they can light up others. This is the process. But a lamp may have its wick slid out of place, or a lamp might be damaged, or a lamp may not have enough oil, so even that can be set right upfront in Sahaja Yoga. Kundalini is your Mother, who takes birth with you every time you are born. She resides in you and you know how holy a mother is. But this purity is your Mother and she is waiting for the moment when such a person who is full of that that love, comes in front of you then Kundalini rises automatically and you have that realization. Today we are going to have a little experiment about it here. And I hope that many of you will experience it. It happens so naturally that people find it hard to believe that how could we have got it so quickly - because they think normally people have to do fasting and they have to do this and that. Then they need to go to the forest, do penance. Now let’s imagine that if someone did not know the way to Kalve and if he had to come searching for it on foot from Mumbai, say 50 years back . Then he would have taken a lot many hours. But today we have come in a car. So we did not take as much time - Not only hours but would have taken days – We straightway started from there and reached here. So the outward progress we have made in the modern times, like the tree has progressed outside, then its roots also must have progressed. Then this progress which the roots have made will not be immediately discerned by you. Because you can notice the progress of the tree. Unless you see the roots, you will not understand. This is work of the roots. And when the source is discovered, if the source itself is available, if the root gets connected to a spring, then there is no question – of the tree dying or suffering in any way. However large the tree becomes, it can still get the supply of water. Similarly Sahaja Yoga is found in the modern age of Kaliyuga and everybody should take advantage of it. Only Sahaja Yoga does not have place for shallow minded people. Means people who are used to making fun of or belittle others – even if these people get the vibrations these will go away. Faith is a must. One must have faith in the Almighty. Whatever you say, if you do not have faith in someone then why should he look after your welfare? You say, ‘Mataji please cure my child but we do not have faith in you’ then why should I cure. Just think, even if I say out of love lets cure him but several deities who are there to cure him, they must agree to it. Lord Hanumaan should agree, Lord Ganesha should agree, Lord Shankar should agree, Lord Krishna should agree that this person is OK. Otherwise they say that there is no need to help them. These are shallow minded people. Have just come for this sake. There is no point in helping them. Thousands of people have been cured through Sahaja Yoga, several diseases have been cured. In addition thousands of people have got their realization. Those who have got their realization, they too are curing others. This one thing you must remember in Sahaja Yoga that a human being does not know everything about himself. He does not know that what happens to him after he dies, what he was before taking this birth? or what is going to happen in the future, he does not know all these things about himself. So you have to follow some rules of Sahaja yoga, one small thing is that Sahaja Yogi should not let anyone put kumkum on their forehead. You should only allow another realized person to put kumkum on you, should not allow to touch your forehead. Normally you will ask,” Mataji, why is it so ?” Vibrations flow through everyone. As we say, this person has a good hand , this person ‘s hand is not good. His hand is good for farming. His hand is good for medicine. The reason for this is that we have vibrations flowing through our hands. If someone has very bad vibrations flowing through his hands and if he touches your forehead then you will also get bad thoughts. So it is a rule in Sahaja Yoga that you should guard your forehead. God has created the forehead of a human being with great thought. And you must think a lot if you wish to bow it before someone. If you move around bowing your head before everyone and if he is happens to be a demon (rakshasa) then the bad qualities of that demon will easily get transferred into you. There are a few such rules if you follow them then you will attain Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Yoga is a big blessing. You will be surprised that if you recount experiences of Sahaja Yoga to people, you will be surprised. Once a Sahaja yogi was travelling by train, and the train had an accident. The entire train turned upside down but nobody was injured. Amongst them, there was their small child who was thrown far away but still he was absolutely fine. People were so surprised that how can that be? So Sahaja Yoga helps obviate accidents. Means how does this happen? You will say how does this happen? We have total faith in Shri Hanumaan, and are always chanting his name. While entering the village, generally there is a temple of Shri Hanumaan. But we do not realize that Shri Hanumana is everywhere, only thing is we are not connected to Him, Otherwise with just one call He would be standing before you, not only that but wherever a Sahaja yogi moves about, he is connected to the Almighty, and he is protected by HIM. Shri Ganesha is everywhere, we think that Shri Ganesha is only sitting in the temple; He is there to help everyone. He is everywhere. If any Sahaja yogi suffers then Shri Ganesha removes his suffering. We all say that yes ,” there is Shri Ganesha, there is Shri Hanumana we want to celebrate the birthday of Shri Dattatreya, There is Shri Shankara.” We have faith in all of them but we do not understand that this body of ours – and whatever we see through our eyes, and the environment we are in, this all is influenced by them and they keep a proper vigil on all this. You will not realize this until you get connected to the Almighty. Just like – Now I am speaking with you through this mike. If it is not connected to the mains then you will not be able to hear anything. Similarly until you become one with God or you get yourself realization, till then even if you call HIM, how will HE hear you? We keep on chanting the almighty’s name day and night and sometimes in such a perfunctory manner as if He is our servant. Continuously ask Him to do something or the other, “You do this, you do that, do this for my father, you do this for my son.” But what right do you have on the Almighty? What have you done for the Almighty? Are you connected to God? For example if you want to meet the president then you need to send a request letter. You need to seek permission from them. If you land straightaway in front of Him and say,” Hey President, do this for me” will you not be arrested by the police ? So you do not have the right and the recognition of this right is, that when a person achieves his self realization, he feels divine vibrations flowing through his hands as indicated by Shri Shankaracharya. And the same is happening today. It is not a bluff about the Almighty. Today I can prove the existence of God, you can prove it too. So this path, as they say,” is not the work of any Tom Dick and Harry”. To walk on this path people should have faith. If you have the simplicity, the innocence and the desire to know the almighty then all of you can reach tremendous heights. Nobody is going to become a saint by wearing saffron clothes and by shaving their hair. That way the sheep get their hair sheared every day so do they become saints because of that? Nobody becomes a saint by changing clothes. By changing the outward appearance nobody becomes a saint. We have had so many saints in this country, like Saint Tukaram. He did not renounce the world (take sanyas). No Saint has to renounce the world. Because a saint becomes an ascetic from inside. Your attitude changes from inside. So you don’t have to show or exhibit anything outside to show that you have changed. Whatever has to happen, happens inside, you feel that within. Now some of the people present here might feel that for a little while they got vibrations on their hands. ‘Mataji, we felt that we had the divine vibrations on our hands.’ And after some time, not only four or five, but ten people might experience those vibrations. Four may not get. Then those four people, who did not experience, will say with hatred that this all is humbug, this and that. Then those ten will also go along with these four. The human brain is half baked. This is a very new experience and it takes time for it to set in. If you say that it should happen instantaneously or in a minute, it will happen but you need to give it some time, you need to position yourself for it, you need to make a little effort. You need to make an effort to sustain it after you get yourself realization and not before. They have asked me to come here to Kalwe, and I don’t know what further program they have arranged. But I would have liked us to go into meditation, and see if we could achieve your self-realization. And then if there are any patients etc. I would see them. Now if you have any questions, you can ask me, I will be very happy to respond. Do you have any questions? Just ask. (Someone asks a question, but not quite clear) As a response to one of the questions, Shri Mataji said,” Suppose there is a cemetery (Crematorium). Cemetery, they say, should be outside the town. But what people do – Let it be a Cemetery or anything, wherever they see a vacant land – Now we have a Cemetery at Mumbai. And they have created a play area for kids on that land. So will not the kids who go there, get affected? Because they have their graves out there. People do not think about such things. Modern person of today does not have this common sense. And in the same way today residential colonies are made. So these people and you too should take kum kum to protect yourself. Later on when you will come to know what is involved, you would be surprised to know that you have been saved from such a great trouble. This is why people become mad, go to the asylum. They become ill, die. But they don’t understand how they got this illness and from where? How did this happen in our home?. Even small children get affected. Because you do not have any idea about yourself, then how you are you going to know about anybody else? What has affected them, who are they? Now consider a simple thing. You have gone to the temple. God is there in the temple. You must pay your obeisance only to HIM. The temple is very necessary. It is for everyone. But imagine that the priest out there is a fraud, just imagine. And if he is doing some bad deeds, practices ill, black magic etc., and imagine he gives you the prasad, and then will it not go into your stomach? How are you going to know? If you are simple people you will not know anything. But if you are a Sahaja Yogi then then you will immediately vomit whatever you have consumed. It will not remain in your stomach. If any such thing enters your stomach then it will definitely go away. It will not stay at all. And then when you come home you suddenly have a stomach ache, then had a strong bout., suddenly died in the hospital. What happened Mataji, we could not understand. And you can understanding all these symptoms can happen only when you know yourself and hence know others. Because you have not recognized yourself. You have not understood it before how strong your power within is. The moment you realize it, you will know what ailment this person has, what ailment the other person has and if that ailment is troublesome to you then you can even protect yourself from it. How do you recognize this? You must understand this capability. Shri Mataji talking to the seeker who asked the question in Hindi: So you can also come here and learn all about it. These people who are sitting here will make you a master in all aspects of Kundalini. They are all masters in Kundalini. They have cured thousands of people of their illnesses. Shri Mataji pointing towards some yogi, saying: He is from Dhule. There is a centre there. This person has cured thousands of people of their diseases. His son is a doctor and the other one is a big landlord. They have started a centre. Thousands of people have been cured by them. I can say that since the day they got their self realization, they have not charged for any medicine. His sons have got their self realization. All of them have got their self realization. Now that there are all these things available in Kalve, you should do it. People should pay attention to Sahaja Yoga and achieve it. So as I said, in Sahaja yoga it is not you take your realisation and then you forget about it. You must understand it, no; you have to find out everything about it, to know how it works. Let’s say if I provide you with electricity but do not tell you how to switch it on then how would you know? You have to learn the complete thing. But generally if you keep two three things in mind then you will not face any problem. One thing is to give bandhan to oneself, and soaking feet in salt water. Thus you can be alright with a couple of such things. No need to do too many things. Maybe you only came once and did not come afterwards, so you do not know everything. In addition keep on discussing with these people. This will not do. This is the work of God. Have to learn a few things. Now see this example. You need to spend many years to work with electricity. And this is the work of God. You definitely need to learn a little. Which finger to use during worships (pooja), how the flowers are to be offered. It is true that these are very small things. You need not get into too many details. Learn a few things at least. Now ask questions if you have any. Do you have any questions? Do the youngsters have any questions? Now see that drinking is prohibited in sahaj yoga. Normally I don’t tell anyone to stop drinking. But after coming to Sahaja yoga you won’t feel like drinking alcohol. And if you drink, you will vomit straight-away, you won’t be able to drink, you will suffer a lot. Smoking is also prohibited. After becoming a Sahaja Yogi, if you start smoking, you will suffer a lot. You will not have the urge to smoke, you will leave it. Nobody smokes cigarette at our place. I do not tell anyone to give up smoking, but it just happens automatically. There was one person in Singapore, he used to drink a lot. His wife brought him to me to make him give up his drinking habit. He got his self realization, I don’t know how. After that whenever he tried to drink he uses to smell some fragrance. The fragrance used to be so intense that he used to keep enjoying it and forgot about drinking.

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Letter As sometimes, we, in our memory, relive some beautiful moments of our past and feel the same joy, in the same manner, every idea of a realized soul can be materialized (sakar). We do it unconsciously many a times when we paint an unknown picture. We imagine and enjoy our imagination and then recreate and enjoy more. But a sahaja yogi can weave a beautiful pattern of joy by suggesting joyful, beautiful ideas to oneself. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

Letter As sometimes, we, in our memory, relive some beautiful moments of our past and feel the same joy, in the same manner, every idea of a realized soul can be materialized (sakar). We do it unconsciously many a times when we paint an unknown picture. We imagine and enjoy our imagination and then recreate and enjoy more. But a sahaja yogi can weave a beautiful pattern of joy by suggesting joyful, beautiful ideas to oneself. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

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Letter to Indian Yogis (English translation). England, May 1st 1977. My dearest Sahaja Yogis :My Blessings to you all, News has been conveyed to me that a new Center is functioning in Muskwadi Village (Rahuri), where thousands of people are getting Realization. The achievement has been made only because the “workers” over there have knit themselves in bond of wonderful Love. They never try to complain to anyone about anything but instead overlook and ignore in case someone commits what may be described as an error. This broad-mindedness is capable of generating feelings of happiness in one’s self and acts like a magnet where others are concerned. This Broad-Mindedness is the quality of a human body and gets multiplied with the awakening of the Kundalini. This is she manifestation of divinity. But, those people who remain in “artificial” environments only, they cannot enjoy this Bliss. Your Kundalini has been awakened; and it has pierced the apex of the brain (Brahmrandhra); but still the heart also has to feel ‘awakened’. In case one’s heart is like a stone and he is unable to shower Love on any one; he uses unpleasant language in conversation with others and is very particular to stress that he himself is really someone special; then he is not fit for becoming a Sahaja Yogi. Of course, such is the nature of certain people. Many a time, I have observed that before myself, some of you try to push others or frown upon them with anger, etc. When someone speaks harshly to little children, then I feel a stab on my heart. Tell me, in Sahaja Yogi, should not there be exhibition of loving feelings?! People who are the off-springs of the same Mother very often fail to realize that they are the children of their Mother in reality. This fact is well-known to you. Then, why should you have the feeling that someone else is superior or inferior to you. Are you without blemish and capable of being such a judge ? People talk of universal brotherhood of man but is this feasible if we don’t love each other as we should?! At the moment, all I have to say is that you must use Introspection and Discrimination and rid yourself of such ‘poison’ as it is only then that you will make a real Sahaja Yogi. In case a Sahaja Yogi comes to your place, invite him as if he is one of our own brothers. Look after him nicely. This will purify your household. I cannot understand how and why Sahaja Yogis form ‘groups’ as with every passing moment your position improves or deteriorates. Such formations can lead to total annihilation of the Self. You should try to own whatever is good in others and ignore what is not so as this can be looked into by me. In meditation, you will realize that this is the Door to Eternal Bliss. One who remembers you always,MOTHER NIRMALA

Letter to Indian Yogis (English translation). England, May 1st 1977. My dearest Sahaja Yogis :My Blessings to you all, News has been conveyed to me that a new Center is functioning in Muskwadi Village (Rahuri), where thousands of people are getting Realization. The achievement has been made only because the “workers” over there have knit themselves in bond of wonderful Love. They never try to complain to anyone about anything but instead overlook and ignore in case someone commits what may be described as an error. This broad-mindedness is capable of generating feelings of happiness in one’s self and acts like a magnet where others are concerned. This Broad-Mindedness is the quality of a human body and gets multiplied with the awakening of the Kundalini. This is she manifestation of divinity. But, those people who remain in “artificial” environments only, they cannot enjoy this Bliss. Your Kundalini has been awakened; and it has pierced the apex of the brain (Brahmrandhra); but still the heart also has to feel ‘awakened’. In case one’s heart is like a stone and he is unable to shower Love on any one; he uses unpleasant language in conversation with others and is very particular to stress that he himself is really someone special; then he is not fit for becoming a Sahaja Yogi. Of course, such is the nature of certain people. Many a time, I have observed that before myself, some of you try to push others or frown upon them with anger, etc. When someone speaks harshly to little children, then I feel a stab on my heart. Tell me, in Sahaja Yogi, should not there be exhibition of loving feelings?! People who are the off-springs of the same Mother very often fail to realize that they are the children of their Mother in reality. This fact is well-known to you. Then, why should you have the feeling that someone else is superior or inferior to you. Are you without blemish and capable of being such a judge ? People talk of universal brotherhood of man but is this feasible if we don’t love each other as we should?! At the moment, all I have to say is that you must use Introspection and Discrimination and rid yourself of such ‘poison’ as it is only then that you will make a real Sahaja Yogi. In case a Sahaja Yogi comes to your place, invite him as if he is one of our own brothers. Look after him nicely. This will purify your household. I cannot understand how and why Sahaja Yogis form ‘groups’ as with every passing moment your position improves or deteriorates. Such formations can lead to total annihilation of the Self. You should try to own whatever is good in others and ignore what is not so as this can be looked into by me. In meditation, you will realize that this is the Door to Eternal Bliss. One who remembers you always,MOTHER NIRMALA

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Letter, May You can cure human beings but cannot force them to accept me which it seems is the only condition that deities are not asking to compromise with. If it is not done by human beings sahaja yoga has to fail and we have to accept the verdict of the “Pralayankara”, the destroying aspect of God (Sadashiva).Jimmy Carther is talking about human right but does he know that human beings have crtain duties towards themselves? Does he realize that they have no right to spoil their Moladhara and the Sushumna by their egoistical freedom? Does he understand that Americans are under another kind of captivity? It is your task to write in your book very clearly that they cannot proclaim anything about right and wrong when their own instruments are rotten. yours most loving mother, Nirmala http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

Letter, May You can cure human beings but cannot force them to accept me which it seems is the only condition that deities are not asking to compromise with. If it is not done by human beings sahaja yoga has to fail and we have to accept the verdict of the “Pralayankara”, the destroying aspect of God (Sadashiva).Jimmy Carther is talking about human right but does he know that human beings have crtain duties towards themselves? Does he realize that they have no right to spoil their Moladhara and the Sushumna by their egoistical freedom? Does he understand that Americans are under another kind of captivity? It is your task to write in your book very clearly that they cannot proclaim anything about right and wrong when their own instruments are rotten. yours most loving mother, Nirmala http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

5/12/1977

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Letter India has now won back its democracy and the leaders are talking of Gandhiji. That is a very big step forwards towards the new style of government. Gandhiji believed in LOVE of God. He believed in Dharma. He believed in integration. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

Letter India has now won back its democracy and the leaders are talking of Gandhiji. That is a very big step forwards towards the new style of government. Gandhiji believed in LOVE of God. He believed in Dharma. He believed in integration. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

7/1/1977

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Guru Puja: “The promises you have to make”

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Guru Puja, “The Promises You Have To Make” Today is the day of worshipping your guru: that is your Mother. And as I told you, it’s a very unique happening that Mother, Herself, has to become your Guru. And also you know that it is a very difficult task for a Mother to be a guru, because her love is so overflowing that it is difficult for Her to give any discipline to Her children. She cannot discipline her own love, how can she discipline her own children? Being [like] that, the responsibility on the disciples is much more. If the guru is a person who can discipline you without feeling anything hurting to him, he is much more capable, and he can do it. But for a Mother it is a very, very, very difficult, I must say, a very difficult job to be the guru. She does not know how to balance, and She is extremely forgiving because She is the Mother. While the guru, from the very beginning, does not forgive. But mother, till the end, she’ll go to the last end. Even if the child has forsaken her, even if he has beaten her up, even if he’s willing to kill her, still she will be saying that, “My child, are you hurt?” Then the responsibility of the disciples is much more, to see that they do not hurt Her, and they do not take my love for granted. For they must know that they have to prove themselves and they have to improve themselves. That is why this day is a very unique combination of tremendous love overflowing me, and also the thought, I would say, the divine inspiration, that tells me that you have to be disciplined. You have to be disciplined sahaja, not by another person. That has to be, because if a ship is not properly tied up and it is not seaworthy it cannot go very far. If you want to enjoy the ride in the ocean of His grace and compassion, His bliss and kindness, then you must build up yourself fully. Now we have seen we have chakras, and we can excite them, we can awaken them by awakening the Deities. But is it not a mechanical process. Every Deity has got a subtle point behind it, which is a very subtle being within you. You know them, one by one. And you know why these chakras are catching — because you lack that thing. There’s nothing to feel bad about it. As I told you this is like your motor car outside. This is your instrument. But the instrument has to be properly harmonised and cleaned. Today I want certain promises by you to be made. And the foremost of all, as Christ has said, “Love thy neighbour as thyself.” I would say, one step ahead of that: “Love thy neighbour, a Sahaj Yogi, more than yourself.” Let us start here. I don’t ask you to do for the whole universe: among yourselves. First of all decide: what have you done for others? Second promise you have to make that you will never say a harsh word to any other sahaj yogi, even if he beats you hollow! You can tell me about it. That is the greatest sin you would be committing from today. Don’t try to correct others! If he asks you to check him, then tell that, “This is the thing.” But do not be harsh! Use your tongue for saying something sweet. I am telling you again and again and again. Otherwise I will put some sort of a restriction on you. Try to control your tongue. It’s very essential to put sweetly something, you can, you are sahaj yogis, it’s very easy to put it sweetly something. It’s such an attractive thing. Why do you say harsh things? For what? To create enemies? If you want to have enemies, you can have so many: for that you need not say harsh things. Very easy to gather enemies. Difficult to get friends. And difficult to get your own kith and kin. But Sahaj Yogis, you have one Mother. And that hurts me the most. Any, any, thing that tries to break you will take out my heart into many parts. And this body will become divided into many parts. So don’t do that to me. This is the greatest suffering I can have from you. I request you not to do that because I have taken you into my Being, and you are part and parcel of me. You are one of the thousand petals of my Sahasrara, and I don’t want these petals to be broken by you and to be trampled by others. You have your own dignity, and respect the dignity of others. And you are Sahaj yogis, realised-souls, you must know that now. You are not ordinary people. As you respect yourself, you’ll respect others. This is one thing I must tell you: that among yourselves you should be very humble and very friendly and extremely sweet. Also when you will start doing that, gradually you will learn a method by which you’ll be very sweet. It is better to be sweet than to be harsh. It is better to be beaten up than to be beating others. It is better to be simple and deceived than to be deceiving others. We are like the shield and the shield has to fight the sword. Sword doesn’t fight a sword, it’s a shield that has to fight it. This you must understand, that for anything, no harsh words is to be said. Keep quiet! Just keep quiet. Try to keep control of your tongue. That is one thing: that there should be no disunity because you are collectively conscious among yourselves. If there is disunity among you, you cannot be one: then how can we think of the whole world being one? Just think of it! And your responsibility is much greater because you are the first people who have got it in the whole of Europe and the whole of England. Respect each other. Think of the good points that everyone has. Try to love. If I were like you… you know I am complete, I have no problem — why am I bothering? Because I love you. If you love each other, you will see the good points of another person, and you will imbibe them. Try to love each other. But do not confuse this love with the carnal love. This is Divine love: absolutely pure, elevating, helping you to ascend. Tonight you promise me that you will look at every Sahaj Yogi as a person in bondage in love and not in hatred. And if somebody you think is not doing right or going bad, then you cure that person. Sitting in the house, you know how to do that. But don’t be harsh. By talking ill you are not going to do anything to help that person. You use your methods which you know very well. This is one point. And that will give me the greatest pleasure, the greatest of all: when I will see all my children loving each other, and being kind to each other, running to do for everyone, trying to help each other and extremely humbled down. Some of you are better off, some of you are more intelligent, some of you have got more heart qualities. Don’t try to show down somebody who lacks a little bit in intelligence, or somebody who has little less of love. Maybe that person just wants more love. But try to give, than to expect others to give. Then the second one: I want you, all of you, today, to know that you are the people who have to build up Sahaj Yoga in this country and also in other countries wherever you go. So you are like seeds, and the seed which has to grow the whole tree! You have to bear all other trees, so how important you are! So today you have to resolve that, in your personal life, you are going to be honest. You are going to watch yourself. You are going to introspect yourself. You are not going to tell lies. And you are going to look after your chastity, look after your life as a very precious thing. And you are not going to cheat yourself. And you are not going to debase yourself. And you are not going to denigrate yourself, in your own eyes, but develop those eyes which criticise all these things and can see yourself. Today you must promise me that you will meditate, you’ll introspect, then getting into your Self. Thirdly, you will not criticise Sahaj Yog — that is God’s own method — at any cost! If you do not understand a part of Sahaj Yog, you can come and ask me, but don’t criticise! This you must promise me. So far whatever has happened, has happened. It’s finished. It’s forgiven. But don’t criticise His ways now anymore, because now you are put into a higher position. You are put into a higher position, today. No more criticism of Sahaj Yog, at any cost! At any cost. Because then you criticise the God Himself! If you don’t understand, ask me. And now you know you are the people, God has sent only those who really know that Sahaj Yoga is the Truth. It is the only way, it is revealed to you only, very few people, that this is the Truth. And this is going to save the whole humanity and all the people. And God can be only understood through Sahaj Yog. So nobody is going to decry Sahaj Yoga. Nor anyone is going to say that, “I am the Sahaj Yoga!” Anybody who thinks like that has been always, so far, we have seen in our practices in Sahaj yoga for the last now so many years, that anyone who takes upon to themselves that, “I am the Sahaj Yoga!” has had the worst possible falls of all Sahaj Yogis. So don’t do that. We are a part and parcel of that Sahaj Yoga: harmonising people, being one with people. So nobody should criticise Sahaj Yog, nobody should take chances with Sahaj Yog. And fourth, you have to be obedient to me. I have been telling you, in a different way and in every way that you should understand. Now, this stops. Today you have done this puja, I want to tell you that on your own, on your free will, with your own understanding you have to be obedient to me. This is your own decision. I cannot force obedience onto you, but you must understand it is for your good. Because every minute I can see your future, I can see your past, I can see your ascent, I can see everything. If I say anything at that moment, it may appear a little [bit] unreasonable, but just obey me, what I tell you! I am not asking too much, you have seen: not much, as other gurus do. You don’t know other gurus what do they do: they will hang the disciple in the well halfway down. He is just there and from his waist they will be hanging a rope up. They take seven parikshas (परीक्षा — trial, test) like this, horrible ones. They will throw him into some place. Seven like this. There are, altogether, 108 parikshas. And then they say, “Come along!” Then they will try [to teach] you. It starts after that. I am not taking your test. But obedience is very necessary because I know everything. I can’t help it. You cannot have another opinion about myself because that’s a fact. And if I say something, I would not say normally, I will not hurt you, you know that. I hate to hurt you. After any hurt I cause you I weep and cry. But I have to do it, because you are my dearest children and you are my will. And you have to do the most important thing on Earth, so be careful. Whatever I have told you, you have to obey. For today, for this place, and today’s function, I bless you – these are the things you must do. I haven’t asked for much. But they are very difficult things. They are difficult. So, look after yourself. Try to be good Sahaj Yogis. Be sweet to each other, kind to each other. Don’t deceive yourself. Look after your vibrations and everything will be alright. May God bless you.

Guru Puja, “The Promises You Have To Make” Today is the day of worshipping your guru: that is your Mother. And as I told you, it’s a very unique happening that Mother, Herself, has to become your Guru. And also you know that it is a very difficult task for a Mother to be a guru, because her love is so overflowing that it is difficult for Her to give any discipline to Her children. She cannot discipline her own love, how can she discipline her own children? Being [like] that, the responsibility on the disciples is much more. If the guru is a person who can discipline you without feeling anything hurting to him, he is much more capable, and he can do it. But for a Mother it is a very, very, very difficult, I must say, a very difficult job to be the guru. She does not know how to balance, and She is extremely forgiving because She is the Mother. While the guru, from the very beginning, does not forgive. But mother, till the end, she’ll go to the last end. Even if the child has forsaken her, even if he has beaten her up, even if he’s willing to kill her, still she will be saying that, “My child, are you hurt?” Then the responsibility of the disciples is much more, to see that they do not hurt Her, and they do not take my love for granted. For they must know that they have to prove themselves and they have to improve themselves. That is why this day is a very unique combination of tremendous love overflowing me, and also the thought, I would say, the divine inspiration, that tells me that you have to be disciplined. You have to be disciplined sahaja, not by another person. That has to be, because if a ship is not properly tied up and it is not seaworthy it cannot go very far. If you want to enjoy the ride in the ocean of His grace and compassion, His bliss and kindness, then you must build up yourself fully. Now we have seen we have chakras, and we can excite them, we can awaken them by awakening the Deities. But is it not a mechanical process. Every Deity has got a subtle point behind it, which is a very subtle being within you. You know them, one by one. And you know why these chakras are catching — because you lack that thing. There’s nothing to feel bad about it. As I told you this is like your motor car outside. This is your instrument. But the instrument has to be properly harmonised and cleaned. Today I want certain promises by you to be made. And the foremost of all, as Christ has said, “Love thy neighbour as thyself.” I would say, one step ahead of that: “Love thy neighbour, a Sahaj Yogi, more than yourself.” Let us start here. I don’t ask you to do for the whole universe: among yourselves. First of all decide: what have you done for others? Second promise you have to make that you will never say a harsh word to any other sahaj yogi, even if he beats you hollow! You can tell me about it. That is the greatest sin you would be committing from today. Don’t try to correct others! If he asks you to check him, then tell that, “This is the thing.” But do not be harsh! Use your tongue for saying something sweet. I am telling you again and again and again. Otherwise I will put some sort of a restriction on you. Try to control your tongue. It’s very essential to put sweetly something, you can, you are sahaj yogis, it’s very easy to put it sweetly something. It’s such an attractive thing. Why do you say harsh things? For what? To create enemies? If you want to have enemies, you can have so many: for that you need not say harsh things. Very easy to gather enemies. Difficult to get friends. And difficult to get your own kith and kin. But Sahaj Yogis, you have one Mother. And that hurts me the most. Any, any, thing that tries to break you will take out my heart into many parts. And this body will become divided into many parts. So don’t do that to me. This is the greatest suffering I can have from you. I request you not to do that because I have taken you into my Being, and you are part and parcel of me. You are one of the thousand petals of my Sahasrara, and I don’t want these petals to be broken by you and to be trampled by others. You have your own dignity, and respect the dignity of others. And you are Sahaj yogis, realised-souls, you must know that now. You are not ordinary people. As you respect yourself, you’ll respect others. This is one thing I must tell you: that among yourselves you should be very humble and very friendly and extremely sweet. Also when you will start doing that, gradually you will learn a method by which you’ll be very sweet. It is better to be sweet than to be harsh. It is better to be beaten up than to be beating others. It is better to be simple and deceived than to be deceiving others. We are like the shield and the shield has to fight the sword. Sword doesn’t fight a sword, it’s a shield that has to fight it. This you must understand, that for anything, no harsh words is to be said. Keep quiet! Just keep quiet. Try to keep control of your tongue. That is one thing: that there should be no disunity because you are collectively conscious among yourselves. If there is disunity among you, you cannot be one: then how can we think of the whole world being one? Just think of it! And your responsibility is much greater because you are the first people who have got it in the whole of Europe and the whole of England. Respect each other. Think of the good points that everyone has. Try to love. If I were like you… you know I am complete, I have no problem — why am I bothering? Because I love you. If you love each other, you will see the good points of another person, and you will imbibe them. Try to love each other. But do not confuse this love with the carnal love. This is Divine love: absolutely pure, elevating, helping you to ascend. Tonight you promise me that you will look at every Sahaj Yogi as a person in bondage in love and not in hatred. And if somebody you think is not doing right or going bad, then you cure that person. Sitting in the house, you know how to do that. But don’t be harsh. By talking ill you are not going to do anything to help that person. You use your methods which you know very well. This is one point. And that will give me the greatest pleasure, the greatest of all: when I will see all my children loving each other, and being kind to each other, running to do for everyone, trying to help each other and extremely humbled down. Some of you are better off, some of you are more intelligent, some of you have got more heart qualities. Don’t try to show down somebody who lacks a little bit in intelligence, or somebody who has little less of love. Maybe that person just wants more love. But try to give, than to expect others to give. Then the second one: I want you, all of you, today, to know that you are the people who have to build up Sahaj Yoga in this country and also in other countries wherever you go. So you are like seeds, and the seed which has to grow the whole tree! You have to bear all other trees, so how important you are! So today you have to resolve that, in your personal life, you are going to be honest. You are going to watch yourself. You are going to introspect yourself. You are not going to tell lies. And you are going to look after your chastity, look after your life as a very precious thing. And you are not going to cheat yourself. And you are not going to debase yourself. And you are not going to denigrate yourself, in your own eyes, but develop those eyes which criticise all these things and can see yourself. Today you must promise me that you will meditate, you’ll introspect, then getting into your Self. Thirdly, you will not criticise Sahaj Yog — that is God’s own method — at any cost! If you do not understand a part of Sahaj Yog, you can come and ask me, but don’t criticise! This you must promise me. So far whatever has happened, has happened. It’s finished. It’s forgiven. But don’t criticise His ways now anymore, because now you are put into a higher position. You are put into a higher position, today. No more criticism of Sahaj Yog, at any cost! At any cost. Because then you criticise the God Himself! If you don’t understand, ask me. And now you know you are the people, God has sent only those who really know that Sahaj Yoga is the Truth. It is the only way, it is revealed to you only, very few people, that this is the Truth. And this is going to save the whole humanity and all the people. And God can be only understood through Sahaj Yog. So nobody is going to decry Sahaj Yoga. Nor anyone is going to say that, “I am the Sahaj Yoga!” Anybody who thinks like that has been always, so far, we have seen in our practices in Sahaj yoga for the last now so many years, that anyone who takes upon to themselves that, “I am the Sahaj Yoga!” has had the worst possible falls of all Sahaj Yogis. So don’t do that. We are a part and parcel of that Sahaj Yoga: harmonising people, being one with people. So nobody should criticise Sahaj Yog, nobody should take chances with Sahaj Yog. And fourth, you have to be obedient to me. I have been telling you, in a different way and in every way that you should understand. Now, this stops. Today you have done this puja, I want to tell you that on your own, on your free will, with your own understanding you have to be obedient to me. This is your own decision. I cannot force obedience onto you, but you must understand it is for your good. Because every minute I can see your future, I can see your past, I can see your ascent, I can see everything. If I say anything at that moment, it may appear a little [bit] unreasonable, but just obey me, what I tell you! I am not asking too much, you have seen: not much, as other gurus do. You don’t know other gurus what do they do: they will hang the disciple in the well halfway down. He is just there and from his waist they will be hanging a rope up. They take seven parikshas (परीक्षा — trial, test) like this, horrible ones. They will throw him into some place. Seven like this. There are, altogether, 108 parikshas. And then they say, “Come along!” Then they will try [to teach] you. It starts after that. I am not taking your test. But obedience is very necessary because I know everything. I can’t help it. You cannot have another opinion about myself because that’s a fact. And if I say something, I would not say normally, I will not hurt you, you know that. I hate to hurt you. After any hurt I cause you I weep and cry. But I have to do it, because you are my dearest children and you are my will. And you have to do the most important thing on Earth, so be careful. Whatever I have told you, you have to obey. For today, for this place, and today’s function, I bless you – these are the things you must do. I haven’t asked for much. But they are very difficult things. They are difficult. So, look after yourself. Try to be good Sahaj Yogis. Be sweet to each other, kind to each other. Don’t deceive yourself. Look after your vibrations and everything will be alright. May God bless you.

7/1/1977

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Letter on Guru Purnima

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Letter on Guru Purnima, 1 July 1977, (Maybe from England to Indian Sahaja Yogis. Location and language unknown) My dear children Sahaja Yogis, I am happy to learn you are celebrating Guru Purnima on 1st July. It is very hard to be a Mother and a Guru. Mother is the Guru of Gurus. Mother has to be a Guru to her children but She does not perform this duty the way the Guru does. She reduces the distance between her disciples and Herself by treating them as her children, her own part and parcel. But, oh! my children, you are really born out of my Sahasrara. I conceived you in my heart and gave you the new birth through the Brahmarandhra. The Ganges of my love has carried you into the realm of Collective Consciousness. This love of mine is too great for my human body. It nourishes you, soothes you and gives you security. Gradually it opens your awareness to bliss and joy. But this love also corrects you and prunes you. It guides you and directs you. It reveals itself in the form of true knowledge. It absorbs your shocks and settles you like a gliding leaf on the hard surface of truth. It strengthens you to fulfil your aspirations of reaching spiritual heights. After all, what is the Guru principle? It is that aspect of this Divine Love that guides and warns, which gives you 'the dos and don’ts'. Because if human beings fail, they become "rakshasa" and "danavas" (demons), which is a fact. All your ancient scriptures are singing praise of the incarnations as Gurus, Dattatreya, the three-fold innocence that guides the path of dharma. There are ten basic dharmas of human beings. They must be guarded, respected and are to be identified with "tadatmya" (sameness of nature). There is no compromise but human intelligence gives ideas by which human societies have gone into horrible conditions. Their play of mind takes us to sin and we become insensitive to sin. Today, I want you to resolve that you all will become absolutely dharmic. It is hard to be dharmic. The society and the environment force you to be adharmic. You are born in innocence and later you go on compromising and accepting adharmic patterns as normal. For a Sahaja Yogi, it is difficult to be adharmic. If he tries to do a wrong thing, he is corrected by the vibrations. But if you go on killing your awakened conscience you are free to do so and kill all your chances of ascent. One aspect I would emphasises this time: “Do not commit an adultery”. Christ went further to say that, "You should not have a adulterous heart or mind because you are Self-realised". Your behaviour pattern moves from inward to outside. Introspect yourself. Do not confuse your lust with ‘Love’. I have heard prostitutes singing the love song of separation. They are the ones who create the agony of separation for a Gruhalaxmi and act as the oppressed. Be careful you are not acting and playing the games of adultery. The sin becomes subtler and subtler with sophistication. Respect your marriage institution. Women have to be Gruhalaxmis. Firstly, she has to be dedicated and completely fidel. Secondly, she is to be worshiped like a Gruhalaxmi. This is the double meaning of "pujyante" [*]. The word "pujyante" means the one who is worshipable and is also worshiped. In Sahaja Yoga, you have to forget the past as you have been bathed with divine love like a newly born baby. Purity of heart expressed as fidelity in marriage for both husband and wife is the most enjoyable virtue and is the most powerful. When you understand the purity of relationship, you enjoy them the most. You do not confuse your sensitivity to joy. Your Mother is a mother and wife is a wife. Here in the West, it is all becoming a confusion. Very young girls are marrying old men and vice versa. It is all the game of money. If you have too much then stupidity becomes the pattern of the society. They become so blind that they call it 'love'. This stupidity is very, very dangerous. Beware of it. Steady your attention by keeping your eyes on the Mother Earth. Thus, you get the loving bandhan of your Nani (our grand-mother, the Mother Earth) and you become free of enslavement to your lust. May be some of the marriages are not all right, but exceptions should not create a mass disturbance. They should suffer it for the masses. Once the citadel of virtue starts tumbling down, the whole building of Sahaja Yogis will topple down. And who can suffer, but this mind which does not touch you who is a witness? Enjoy the tragedy of your life as a witness and think of what image you create for others to follow. Realise what is the role of a Sahaja Yogi in this disturbed self-destroying world. Thus, arise into new role. There are other dharmas, all very important. Meditate on them. I find my love reflected in your shining dharmic eyes. With all my blessings to you all, Yours as ever, always remembering your all Your Mother Nirmala (*About the word 'pujyante' added by the editor:"But she has to deserve it, “Yatr naryan pujante tatr ramante devata”, “Where women are respected resides God.” But they have to be respectable... If the woman is worshipable, ‘pujyante’ means ‘worshipable’. Who like to worship a bad woman cruel Rakshasi? Those who are worshipable should be worshipped. There reside the Gods." Shri Rama puja, Calcutta, India, 25/03/1991)

Letter on Guru Purnima, 1 July 1977, (Maybe from England to Indian Sahaja Yogis. Location and language unknown) My dear children Sahaja Yogis, I am happy to learn you are celebrating Guru Purnima on 1st July. It is very hard to be a Mother and a Guru. Mother is the Guru of Gurus. Mother has to be a Guru to her children but She does not perform this duty the way the Guru does. She reduces the distance between her disciples and Herself by treating them as her children, her own part and parcel. But, oh! my children, you are really born out of my Sahasrara. I conceived you in my heart and gave you the new birth through the Brahmarandhra. The Ganges of my love has carried you into the realm of Collective Consciousness. This love of mine is too great for my human body. It nourishes you, soothes you and gives you security. Gradually it opens your awareness to bliss and joy. But this love also corrects you and prunes you. It guides you and directs you. It reveals itself in the form of true knowledge. It absorbs your shocks and settles you like a gliding leaf on the hard surface of truth. It strengthens you to fulfil your aspirations of reaching spiritual heights. After all, what is the Guru principle? It is that aspect of this Divine Love that guides and warns, which gives you 'the dos and don’ts'. Because if human beings fail, they become "rakshasa" and "danavas" (demons), which is a fact. All your ancient scriptures are singing praise of the incarnations as Gurus, Dattatreya, the three-fold innocence that guides the path of dharma. There are ten basic dharmas of human beings. They must be guarded, respected and are to be identified with "tadatmya" (sameness of nature). There is no compromise but human intelligence gives ideas by which human societies have gone into horrible conditions. Their play of mind takes us to sin and we become insensitive to sin. Today, I want you to resolve that you all will become absolutely dharmic. It is hard to be dharmic. The society and the environment force you to be adharmic. You are born in innocence and later you go on compromising and accepting adharmic patterns as normal. For a Sahaja Yogi, it is difficult to be adharmic. If he tries to do a wrong thing, he is corrected by the vibrations. But if you go on killing your awakened conscience you are free to do so and kill all your chances of ascent. One aspect I would emphasises this time: “Do not commit an adultery”. Christ went further to say that, "You should not have a adulterous heart or mind because you are Self-realised". Your behaviour pattern moves from inward to outside. Introspect yourself. Do not confuse your lust with ‘Love’. I have heard prostitutes singing the love song of separation. They are the ones who create the agony of separation for a Gruhalaxmi and act as the oppressed. Be careful you are not acting and playing the games of adultery. The sin becomes subtler and subtler with sophistication. Respect your marriage institution. Women have to be Gruhalaxmis. Firstly, she has to be dedicated and completely fidel. Secondly, she is to be worshiped like a Gruhalaxmi. This is the double meaning of "pujyante" [*]. The word "pujyante" means the one who is worshipable and is also worshiped. In Sahaja Yoga, you have to forget the past as you have been bathed with divine love like a newly born baby. Purity of heart expressed as fidelity in marriage for both husband and wife is the most enjoyable virtue and is the most powerful. When you understand the purity of relationship, you enjoy them the most. You do not confuse your sensitivity to joy. Your Mother is a mother and wife is a wife. Here in the West, it is all becoming a confusion. Very young girls are marrying old men and vice versa. It is all the game of money. If you have too much then stupidity becomes the pattern of the society. They become so blind that they call it 'love'. This stupidity is very, very dangerous. Beware of it. Steady your attention by keeping your eyes on the Mother Earth. Thus, you get the loving bandhan of your Nani (our grand-mother, the Mother Earth) and you become free of enslavement to your lust. May be some of the marriages are not all right, but exceptions should not create a mass disturbance. They should suffer it for the masses. Once the citadel of virtue starts tumbling down, the whole building of Sahaja Yogis will topple down. And who can suffer, but this mind which does not touch you who is a witness? Enjoy the tragedy of your life as a witness and think of what image you create for others to follow. Realise what is the role of a Sahaja Yogi in this disturbed self-destroying world. Thus, arise into new role. There are other dharmas, all very important. Meditate on them. I find my love reflected in your shining dharmic eyes. With all my blessings to you all, Yours as ever, always remembering your all Your Mother Nirmala (*About the word 'pujyante' added by the editor:"But she has to deserve it, “Yatr naryan pujante tatr ramante devata”, “Where women are respected resides God.” But they have to be respectable... If the woman is worshipable, ‘pujyante’ means ‘worshipable’. Who like to worship a bad woman cruel Rakshasi? Those who are worshipable should be worshipped. There reside the Gods." Shri Rama puja, Calcutta, India, 25/03/1991)

7/6/1977

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Devi Puja: “Our roots have to go down into dharma”

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“Our roots have to go down into dharma,” Talk at Djamel’s house, St Albans, England, July 6, 1977 So today I want to tell you about purity. That is my name, you know that, Nir-mala. ’Ni’ means ‘no’; ’mala' means ‘impurities’. The one who has no impurities is Nirmala, and that’s one of the names of Goddess. Purity is a quality which is silent. It speaks in silence. It is one of the most non-aggressive activities. It probes into you. It doesn’t express in any way. Even love may express: in words, it may express in action. But this is the one which is expressionless, the purity. And it washes off all that is impurity. You cannot, by rationality, understand how it works out. You have to feel it and know it, that it is working out its process. It’s very delicate. Sometimes it’s flooding also. But is never shocking, never. When I say that, I find the human ideas have become lob-headed (sic). When do we become lob-headed, means upside down? When we are plunging into something. We are plunging into something where we are going to get destroyed. We are upside-down. This comes out of impurities, that you cannot see things directly in their right perspective. So let us see what are the things which we think create impurities in us. They say it in two words, you see: lust and greed. In Sanskrit they will say kala (gold) and kama: woman and gold. But ‘woman’ doesn’t mean [woman]. ’Woman’ means ‘lust’ and ‘greed’ means ‘gold’. Now let us see if really these are impurities or they create impurity in us, or why these two things have become the source of impurity to us? Because we do not understand the right perspective of matter and of sex. If we can understand them in right perspective then these two become the source of happiness and joy to us. For example, say, a tree, it has two sides: it has the shoot and the root. If the root becomes upward and the shoot becomes downward it will not survive. The root has to go down into the earth and the shoot has to come up. The root has the capacity to suck in the liquids that are inside the soil. Also it has capacity to digest all the essential salts necessary for the tree. Supposing now the root starts malfunctioning and starts sucking the impurities instead of the pure things that are needed for the body of the tree, then what will happen? There will be malnutrition and the tree will collapse. But the root has the wisdom to pick up the necessary salts for its nourishment. This is where we must understand that we do not have proper feelers for our own nourishment and we blame God, or we blame nature, we blame society, we blame cultures, we blame our parents, we blame our governments, we blame this and that. Because we have no feelers we suck in that [which] is impure, which will create more problems for us than joy and happiness and nourishment. If the tree has to grow it should avoid all that is poisonous to it, all that is impure. And there could be two methods. If your rationality is that high graded, if your intelligence is of that high calibre, you just deny all that to your body which is not good, to your spiritual body, or to your mental body, or to your emotional body, or to your physical body. You’ll just deny it, if you have that much of pure intelligence. But the intelligence has not reached that Divine strata yet, so we devise compromises easily. But whom are harming? You are harming yourself. We go on collecting impurities, very fast. And that’s what I call the human freedom: if he wants he can collect impurities. A tree is such that it will not collect impurities, but if impurities invade it, it will die, it cannot protect [itself] either. Human beings have a freedom to choose. Also they have the power to protect from the impurities. And Sahaj Yogis, as you know, have much more powers. So our roots have to go down, into what? Into dharma, into the sustaining power of love. If that is weak then roots are taken off and such people are uprooted. In the traditions, in the historical mistakes and errors of our elders, we can see what mistakes they have done and learn from them, and avoid the impurities that they had and destroyed themselves. We can see how big empires fell, crashed, in no time. Why? What did they do? We are not going to do that. But so far I have not known any nation that sits down and gets a comprehensive look of the whole picture: why that nation has fallen down? Why these ones destroyed themselves? So far I have not known any political leader of that type. They’ll do patchwork, but none of them sit down to see why the whole sky collapsed [or] what happened to those people who enjoyed so much of power once upon a time, suddenly collapsed. If somebody could sit down like that they would see that they sucked in the impurities. Now how do you suck impurities? You suck them because your feelers become blunt. When your feelers are blunt you don’t know what you are sucking. It only is possible when you are lob-headed, is the word, is like this. In the beginning the body, the mind resists all that is impure, in most of the cases I would say — some of the devils if they are born, they may be children but they are exceptions to this — but most of the human beings are born in innocence and they resist. Gradually you start making your feelers damaged and then the impurity starts coming in. All these things start, people say, from the desire, clearly: desire to be the king, desire to be most beautiful person, desire to be leader of the whole world, desire to eat, desire to have, possess — all desires. But here also, I would say, is an impurity of desire in you. And in all of these things is the inner point, and that is joy: we desire for joy. The desire for joy, if you keep it pure, then you go and you get it: “So this is not the thing that gives joy. This is not the thing that gives joy.” We can see around. Those who are seeking money you should go and see them, do they reach joy? You will know they are not the people who have joy among us. And when you go to people who are in joy and in tranquility, you will find they are talking of something else. When we have accepted the desire as something wrong we also negate the ultimate desire. But the essence, you know, swa. We call the essence as swa. ‘Swa’ means self. The essence of everything is that: if you want to have a beautiful tree in front of your house, the desire is to be joyous. What does a tree matter to you if it does not give you joy? It’s anything in the world I will give you: that joy, that essence of everything, if it is kept pure, then it’s nourishing to you. Like the tree roots embed themselves in the Mother soil and suck the beauties of the Mother soil, the essence of Mother, that is meant for nourishing you, and enrich themselves. But that does not mean by any chance that you lose your character or individuality — you do not. A mango tree will be a mango tree, a banana tree will be a banana. Because the outside is different, but inside is the same. And in every country the Mother Earth has its own varieties: accordingly you will have trees, you will have plants. You cannot have mango in England. But you cannot have a birch tree in India. But [it] makes no difference as long as they are truly nourished. So your character is not lost, your individuality is not lost. On the contrary it’s made better. In its purest form, every character is beautiful. Every religion in its purest form is the seat of God, and the different facets of one diamond that is God. They have to be there. And whatever angle you go, you see them sparkling. At every angle they sparkle. A diamond sparkles at every angle. Because it has got its own character, unique variety and its different forms. So the essential unity between them is through the sap which is running. If our attention is on that purity of oneness then so many of other impurities that have cropped up within us, will also come out. The other impurity you suffer from is loss of collectiveness. We don’t mind wearing the same dresses all over the world. If a jeans starts, all of the places you go, even in Japan, even to Australia, you go to even China, communist countries, anywhere, the jean everyone is wearing. But the essential unity within us in its purest form, nowhere. Of course these feelers you develop after Sahaj Yog. But if you are failed in your dharmas, that’s the base, is the root, if we do not have those roots properly done, then the tree cannot stand. It is necessary. Of course, the incarnation is just the opposite of that: His roots are in the heavens. He flowers on the body. An incarnation does not break its dharma — it is dharma. He does not need, He's dharmateet, He’s beyond dharma. Whatever He does is the religion of the whole world! Nothing touches Him. His roots are in the Divine, only the Divine Force. There’s no question of impurity in them, no question of clearing them or bathing them, because he is in the Divine force and He’s sucking that out and giving it to you. He’s flowering on this Earth, it’s upside down flower, embedded in you. So for an incarnation there is no dharma, It is beyond dharma. He’s gunateet, he is beyond all moods (gunas). He’s beyond everything. But human beings have to first develop their dharma, then rise, rise beyond themselves into collective consciousness. And when they turn upside down they become incarnations. It is possible. Two persons have done that so far: Buddha and Mahavira you can call them as Deities. Only these two persons have done it. And in Sahaj Yoga, if we do that, we might be incarnations. Where our roots will be in the Divinity. Here you have to choose, till the freedom of choice exists within you. For me there is no freedom at all. I cannot choose the impurity. That’s why I say I have no temptations. I have no sense of possession. So the choice doesn’t exist at all for me at all, of anything. I have no time and space. I am spaceless. I am timeless, because my roots are in my being. But even to have the blossom within yourself and for others to enjoy, even to nourish yourself, you have to have your dharma properly established. So we come to the question of lust and greed. Lust and greed are to be seen in this light. Are we lusty of God? Are we greedy of His wealth? If you ask such a question, then you see the purity. We waste so much time thinking about greed and lust, but very little time we have to think of this essential desire. Now, there are two types of things, one is that of a human being and one of an incarnation. That’s why the behaviour of incarnations cannot determine the behaviour of human beings. This is a very big mistake we have been always committing. And please beware: you cannot be incarnations now, and you should not determine your behaviour according to the behaviour of an incarnation. Because an incarnation is above all these things. It’s a different thing altogether, as I told you. A tree must take its nourishment, or is embedded in the Divine. You have to rise still to that stage. Where your seats might go into that. And maybe the trees will go and inform the Divine towards that. So the pattern of life that is followed by an incarnation is always followed and that’s why false religions fail. For example, we’ll see [that] Christ took a hunter in his hand and started lashing at people and beating them when they were selling God. I feel the same way and I am doing it. If you read Kabir you will find he’s slashing at all these people. If you read Mohammad saheb He has criticised them. But you are not the incarnation. You are not incarnations. In you when you have those impurities because what I see is that human beings will nurture them within themselves and they like to see the drama in that. For example say they’ll go to a picture of a drama: and they’ll see a cruel man hitting someone. And they say, “What a cruel man! He is horrid!” But they don’t know that that cruelty they share within themselves. They want to call others cruel, but not the cruelty that exists within them. As far as others are concerned they become a witness, but as far as they are concerned they are not. If they could be a witness to themselves, if they could see themselves, then what would happen is that their purifying forces within them would start — specially for Sahaj Yogis, because it has opened now, the tap is open, your Spirit is emitting just now. If only you see where it is within you, with your attention in your being. You just put it within you! Do not justify it by saying, “My society is bad! My parents are bad! This happened,” “Because of this it has happened.” No! They are there because you are harbouring them. In others they can see clearly, but in yourself you cannot see. That is what a human mind is: is a very funny mind, which has been evolved that way. You read a book, for example if you read somebody’s book: immediately you are identified with the hero and never with the villain. We don’t know [that] the villain is much more there than hero, inside us. It’s a common theme I have seen with human beings. You see, I have now learnt through many lives on this Earth what a human being is. Just the opposite a thing is an incarnation. Just the opposite is an incarnation. You see, supposing you have a problem within yourself, immediately I try to see within myself if it has problems or not. In my own vastness I correct it and you get it, because you are my body. You are within me, all of you absolutely are within me, which I search and find out. That’s how I do it. And unless and until I do it, I don’t feel all right, you have seen that. My problems are very different from yours. So we have pay attention on ourselves. But attention in a way which is very pure wisdom — is a deeper attention, is not superficial. One should learn how to go deep into yourself and see for yourself, “Are we cruel people? Am I cruel? Which part of mine is cruel? Which part of mine is harming others?” Now this boy who came, he wouldn’t take out his socks because he thought there was a smell of it. Are we fragrant ourselves? Are we considerate about it that we are equally fragrant? It’s a silent process, it’s a stillness inside of you, acting. And this has to be there. And because, as I said, in the western countries you are crashed people — you have realised you have crashed — it is much more necessary for you people to work harder, than the people who are yet to crash down. They are about to, most of them are coming behind you. And you have to announce with a horn, “Now don’t crash! We have crashed.” That you have to do, that’s very important. Any man who has any consideration, any feeling for others, if he gets hurt by a stone on his way, he’ll immediately stand there and say, “Oh, there’s a stone here, now go. Be careful, don’t topple.” When we are hurt by certain foolishness and stupidities, or you can say even the impurities that we have assembled within ourselves, our own egoistical pursuits, let us announce to the world that: “We have been foolish, we have done it, we are broken people, we have broken our hands, we have broken our heads, we have broken our chakras. Now you don’t, for heaven’s sake you don’t!” Because they are following you. They think you are going on an ascent. They don’t know you have had enough of it. In every way possible you have to announce. But the announcement is expected by people. You see, it’s such a funny world to be a perfect person. So they want also your ascent. This is what the world is. Today supposing you say, “I was crashed down, I was finished, I have nothing in me to offer you.” They’ll say, “Then what are you talking about, shut up!” But still then, you have something to offer, in life. And what do you have offer is that, “We are crashed because of this.” It will help so many people, you don’t know! But people will deny you if you say only that. But if you say, “No I was crashed but I am complete now.” But your being should announce that you are resurrected. On the contrary if you are greedy, if you are still the same style that you were, then who is going to believe this? So the Sahaj Yoga has given you that path by which you ascend. And when you ascend you can go on along telling people, “Don’t fall! Don’t fall! If you fall it’s difficult to ascend as it has happened to us, so don’t fall! There is a short circuit. Come to the short circuit.” Your dharmas must be established, very necessary. In the whole of these crashed societies dharmas are to be established. What are we doing about it? In developing countries they gather up their impurities by a wrong premise that they have. They think, “Oh we must develop. We must have cars, we must have telephones.” The whole attention is how effective you are as far as your material things are concerned. Which is, when they start getting rid of their poverty, they just forget why did they remove their poverty, for what? It would be like a bridegroom who has to be ready to be married, then they dress him up, he’s ready to marry. Now he is ready to be married. He is married. Now the night has passed, he has to meet his wife [but] still he is carrying on with his dress like a fool. Why did he marry? To love his wife. Like a fool he still is in his attire, proud of his outer things that he had done to him without understanding it has a meaning. We remove poverty for what? We remove all these problems for what? We develop for what? We develop so that our day to day life becomes easier and we have time for God, we have time for meditation. (end of recording)

“Our roots have to go down into dharma,” Talk at Djamel’s house, St Albans, England, July 6, 1977 So today I want to tell you about purity. That is my name, you know that, Nir-mala. ’Ni’ means ‘no’; ’mala' means ‘impurities’. The one who has no impurities is Nirmala, and that’s one of the names of Goddess. Purity is a quality which is silent. It speaks in silence. It is one of the most non-aggressive activities. It probes into you. It doesn’t express in any way. Even love may express: in words, it may express in action. But this is the one which is expressionless, the purity. And it washes off all that is impurity. You cannot, by rationality, understand how it works out. You have to feel it and know it, that it is working out its process. It’s very delicate. Sometimes it’s flooding also. But is never shocking, never. When I say that, I find the human ideas have become lob-headed (sic). When do we become lob-headed, means upside down? When we are plunging into something. We are plunging into something where we are going to get destroyed. We are upside-down. This comes out of impurities, that you cannot see things directly in their right perspective. So let us see what are the things which we think create impurities in us. They say it in two words, you see: lust and greed. In Sanskrit they will say kala (gold) and kama: woman and gold. But ‘woman’ doesn’t mean [woman]. ’Woman’ means ‘lust’ and ‘greed’ means ‘gold’. Now let us see if really these are impurities or they create impurity in us, or why these two things have become the source of impurity to us? Because we do not understand the right perspective of matter and of sex. If we can understand them in right perspective then these two become the source of happiness and joy to us. For example, say, a tree, it has two sides: it has the shoot and the root. If the root becomes upward and the shoot becomes downward it will not survive. The root has to go down into the earth and the shoot has to come up. The root has the capacity to suck in the liquids that are inside the soil. Also it has capacity to digest all the essential salts necessary for the tree. Supposing now the root starts malfunctioning and starts sucking the impurities instead of the pure things that are needed for the body of the tree, then what will happen? There will be malnutrition and the tree will collapse. But the root has the wisdom to pick up the necessary salts for its nourishment. This is where we must understand that we do not have proper feelers for our own nourishment and we blame God, or we blame nature, we blame society, we blame cultures, we blame our parents, we blame our governments, we blame this and that. Because we have no feelers we suck in that [which] is impure, which will create more problems for us than joy and happiness and nourishment. If the tree has to grow it should avoid all that is poisonous to it, all that is impure. And there could be two methods. If your rationality is that high graded, if your intelligence is of that high calibre, you just deny all that to your body which is not good, to your spiritual body, or to your mental body, or to your emotional body, or to your physical body. You’ll just deny it, if you have that much of pure intelligence. But the intelligence has not reached that Divine strata yet, so we devise compromises easily. But whom are harming? You are harming yourself. We go on collecting impurities, very fast. And that’s what I call the human freedom: if he wants he can collect impurities. A tree is such that it will not collect impurities, but if impurities invade it, it will die, it cannot protect [itself] either. Human beings have a freedom to choose. Also they have the power to protect from the impurities. And Sahaj Yogis, as you know, have much more powers. So our roots have to go down, into what? Into dharma, into the sustaining power of love. If that is weak then roots are taken off and such people are uprooted. In the traditions, in the historical mistakes and errors of our elders, we can see what mistakes they have done and learn from them, and avoid the impurities that they had and destroyed themselves. We can see how big empires fell, crashed, in no time. Why? What did they do? We are not going to do that. But so far I have not known any nation that sits down and gets a comprehensive look of the whole picture: why that nation has fallen down? Why these ones destroyed themselves? So far I have not known any political leader of that type. They’ll do patchwork, but none of them sit down to see why the whole sky collapsed [or] what happened to those people who enjoyed so much of power once upon a time, suddenly collapsed. If somebody could sit down like that they would see that they sucked in the impurities. Now how do you suck impurities? You suck them because your feelers become blunt. When your feelers are blunt you don’t know what you are sucking. It only is possible when you are lob-headed, is the word, is like this. In the beginning the body, the mind resists all that is impure, in most of the cases I would say — some of the devils if they are born, they may be children but they are exceptions to this — but most of the human beings are born in innocence and they resist. Gradually you start making your feelers damaged and then the impurity starts coming in. All these things start, people say, from the desire, clearly: desire to be the king, desire to be most beautiful person, desire to be leader of the whole world, desire to eat, desire to have, possess — all desires. But here also, I would say, is an impurity of desire in you. And in all of these things is the inner point, and that is joy: we desire for joy. The desire for joy, if you keep it pure, then you go and you get it: “So this is not the thing that gives joy. This is not the thing that gives joy.” We can see around. Those who are seeking money you should go and see them, do they reach joy? You will know they are not the people who have joy among us. And when you go to people who are in joy and in tranquility, you will find they are talking of something else. When we have accepted the desire as something wrong we also negate the ultimate desire. But the essence, you know, swa. We call the essence as swa. ‘Swa’ means self. The essence of everything is that: if you want to have a beautiful tree in front of your house, the desire is to be joyous. What does a tree matter to you if it does not give you joy? It’s anything in the world I will give you: that joy, that essence of everything, if it is kept pure, then it’s nourishing to you. Like the tree roots embed themselves in the Mother soil and suck the beauties of the Mother soil, the essence of Mother, that is meant for nourishing you, and enrich themselves. But that does not mean by any chance that you lose your character or individuality — you do not. A mango tree will be a mango tree, a banana tree will be a banana. Because the outside is different, but inside is the same. And in every country the Mother Earth has its own varieties: accordingly you will have trees, you will have plants. You cannot have mango in England. But you cannot have a birch tree in India. But [it] makes no difference as long as they are truly nourished. So your character is not lost, your individuality is not lost. On the contrary it’s made better. In its purest form, every character is beautiful. Every religion in its purest form is the seat of God, and the different facets of one diamond that is God. They have to be there. And whatever angle you go, you see them sparkling. At every angle they sparkle. A diamond sparkles at every angle. Because it has got its own character, unique variety and its different forms. So the essential unity between them is through the sap which is running. If our attention is on that purity of oneness then so many of other impurities that have cropped up within us, will also come out. The other impurity you suffer from is loss of collectiveness. We don’t mind wearing the same dresses all over the world. If a jeans starts, all of the places you go, even in Japan, even to Australia, you go to even China, communist countries, anywhere, the jean everyone is wearing. But the essential unity within us in its purest form, nowhere. Of course these feelers you develop after Sahaj Yog. But if you are failed in your dharmas, that’s the base, is the root, if we do not have those roots properly done, then the tree cannot stand. It is necessary. Of course, the incarnation is just the opposite of that: His roots are in the heavens. He flowers on the body. An incarnation does not break its dharma — it is dharma. He does not need, He's dharmateet, He’s beyond dharma. Whatever He does is the religion of the whole world! Nothing touches Him. His roots are in the Divine, only the Divine Force. There’s no question of impurity in them, no question of clearing them or bathing them, because he is in the Divine force and He’s sucking that out and giving it to you. He’s flowering on this Earth, it’s upside down flower, embedded in you. So for an incarnation there is no dharma, It is beyond dharma. He’s gunateet, he is beyond all moods (gunas). He’s beyond everything. But human beings have to first develop their dharma, then rise, rise beyond themselves into collective consciousness. And when they turn upside down they become incarnations. It is possible. Two persons have done that so far: Buddha and Mahavira you can call them as Deities. Only these two persons have done it. And in Sahaj Yoga, if we do that, we might be incarnations. Where our roots will be in the Divinity. Here you have to choose, till the freedom of choice exists within you. For me there is no freedom at all. I cannot choose the impurity. That’s why I say I have no temptations. I have no sense of possession. So the choice doesn’t exist at all for me at all, of anything. I have no time and space. I am spaceless. I am timeless, because my roots are in my being. But even to have the blossom within yourself and for others to enjoy, even to nourish yourself, you have to have your dharma properly established. So we come to the question of lust and greed. Lust and greed are to be seen in this light. Are we lusty of God? Are we greedy of His wealth? If you ask such a question, then you see the purity. We waste so much time thinking about greed and lust, but very little time we have to think of this essential desire. Now, there are two types of things, one is that of a human being and one of an incarnation. That’s why the behaviour of incarnations cannot determine the behaviour of human beings. This is a very big mistake we have been always committing. And please beware: you cannot be incarnations now, and you should not determine your behaviour according to the behaviour of an incarnation. Because an incarnation is above all these things. It’s a different thing altogether, as I told you. A tree must take its nourishment, or is embedded in the Divine. You have to rise still to that stage. Where your seats might go into that. And maybe the trees will go and inform the Divine towards that. So the pattern of life that is followed by an incarnation is always followed and that’s why false religions fail. For example, we’ll see [that] Christ took a hunter in his hand and started lashing at people and beating them when they were selling God. I feel the same way and I am doing it. If you read Kabir you will find he’s slashing at all these people. If you read Mohammad saheb He has criticised them. But you are not the incarnation. You are not incarnations. In you when you have those impurities because what I see is that human beings will nurture them within themselves and they like to see the drama in that. For example say they’ll go to a picture of a drama: and they’ll see a cruel man hitting someone. And they say, “What a cruel man! He is horrid!” But they don’t know that that cruelty they share within themselves. They want to call others cruel, but not the cruelty that exists within them. As far as others are concerned they become a witness, but as far as they are concerned they are not. If they could be a witness to themselves, if they could see themselves, then what would happen is that their purifying forces within them would start — specially for Sahaj Yogis, because it has opened now, the tap is open, your Spirit is emitting just now. If only you see where it is within you, with your attention in your being. You just put it within you! Do not justify it by saying, “My society is bad! My parents are bad! This happened,” “Because of this it has happened.” No! They are there because you are harbouring them. In others they can see clearly, but in yourself you cannot see. That is what a human mind is: is a very funny mind, which has been evolved that way. You read a book, for example if you read somebody’s book: immediately you are identified with the hero and never with the villain. We don’t know [that] the villain is much more there than hero, inside us. It’s a common theme I have seen with human beings. You see, I have now learnt through many lives on this Earth what a human being is. Just the opposite a thing is an incarnation. Just the opposite is an incarnation. You see, supposing you have a problem within yourself, immediately I try to see within myself if it has problems or not. In my own vastness I correct it and you get it, because you are my body. You are within me, all of you absolutely are within me, which I search and find out. That’s how I do it. And unless and until I do it, I don’t feel all right, you have seen that. My problems are very different from yours. So we have pay attention on ourselves. But attention in a way which is very pure wisdom — is a deeper attention, is not superficial. One should learn how to go deep into yourself and see for yourself, “Are we cruel people? Am I cruel? Which part of mine is cruel? Which part of mine is harming others?” Now this boy who came, he wouldn’t take out his socks because he thought there was a smell of it. Are we fragrant ourselves? Are we considerate about it that we are equally fragrant? It’s a silent process, it’s a stillness inside of you, acting. And this has to be there. And because, as I said, in the western countries you are crashed people — you have realised you have crashed — it is much more necessary for you people to work harder, than the people who are yet to crash down. They are about to, most of them are coming behind you. And you have to announce with a horn, “Now don’t crash! We have crashed.” That you have to do, that’s very important. Any man who has any consideration, any feeling for others, if he gets hurt by a stone on his way, he’ll immediately stand there and say, “Oh, there’s a stone here, now go. Be careful, don’t topple.” When we are hurt by certain foolishness and stupidities, or you can say even the impurities that we have assembled within ourselves, our own egoistical pursuits, let us announce to the world that: “We have been foolish, we have done it, we are broken people, we have broken our hands, we have broken our heads, we have broken our chakras. Now you don’t, for heaven’s sake you don’t!” Because they are following you. They think you are going on an ascent. They don’t know you have had enough of it. In every way possible you have to announce. But the announcement is expected by people. You see, it’s such a funny world to be a perfect person. So they want also your ascent. This is what the world is. Today supposing you say, “I was crashed down, I was finished, I have nothing in me to offer you.” They’ll say, “Then what are you talking about, shut up!” But still then, you have something to offer, in life. And what do you have offer is that, “We are crashed because of this.” It will help so many people, you don’t know! But people will deny you if you say only that. But if you say, “No I was crashed but I am complete now.” But your being should announce that you are resurrected. On the contrary if you are greedy, if you are still the same style that you were, then who is going to believe this? So the Sahaj Yoga has given you that path by which you ascend. And when you ascend you can go on along telling people, “Don’t fall! Don’t fall! If you fall it’s difficult to ascend as it has happened to us, so don’t fall! There is a short circuit. Come to the short circuit.” Your dharmas must be established, very necessary. In the whole of these crashed societies dharmas are to be established. What are we doing about it? In developing countries they gather up their impurities by a wrong premise that they have. They think, “Oh we must develop. We must have cars, we must have telephones.” The whole attention is how effective you are as far as your material things are concerned. Which is, when they start getting rid of their poverty, they just forget why did they remove their poverty, for what? It would be like a bridegroom who has to be ready to be married, then they dress him up, he’s ready to marry. Now he is ready to be married. He is married. Now the night has passed, he has to meet his wife [but] still he is carrying on with his dress like a fool. Why did he marry? To love his wife. Like a fool he still is in his attire, proud of his outer things that he had done to him without understanding it has a meaning. We remove poverty for what? We remove all these problems for what? We develop for what? We develop so that our day to day life becomes easier and we have time for God, we have time for meditation. (end of recording)

7/31/1977

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Kundalini and Self-realisation

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Public program, 1977-0731, Kundalini and Self-realization So, when you get your Realization, [the] first and foremost thing you must know about your physical self, which is not known to you so far. As soon as you jump into the Unconscious, you have witnessed it that you come to know about your physical being: first about yourself. You come to know what is your physical problem, where are you suffering. Automatically you know that this is what you are suffering from, you don’t have to go to a doctor to ask him what you are suffering from. Supposing your Nabhi chakra is catching, you know that there is trouble in the stomach. If you progress a little more with the frequencies of that, immediately you know that it is in this part. Even on the finger on the right-hand side if you get burning more on the left-hand side of the finger, then you must know that the trouble is more on the left-hand side than on the right-hand side. By practice, you understand exactly what kind of a trouble it is. But after some time, you just say that this is the trouble and that is what it is. It is like a computer you put on. So, the self-knowledge which is first experienced becomes the actualization. This we can say is the second stage. But definitely in the first stage, you get the experience of your physical being. Now see the beauty of it, how it is beautifully done. When you put your hands towards Me, you understand your position first of all. You do not realize Me, but you realize yourself – immediately you feel the burning, or you feel the cooling, or you feel the smarting or tingling or whatever it is. All that is not indicative of Me, but is all indicative of you. Then by the vibrations that are flowing through My Being, they are corrected; all these problems are corrected. Then when your machine is corrected then the same machine that Myself emits, the vibrations, or you receive the vibrations which are really Me. But that to an extent to that extent which you have achieved – the clarity and the sensitivity. On the other hand, when you want to know about the health of other people, there your machine does not feel your problem but feels more the problems of another person, and once you have corrected the problems of the other person, then you start feeling your own problems. How beautifully it is arranged, you see so that you have to - you are compelled to cure another person. If you do not cure the other person, you cannot feel yourself! That is how the unconscious is trying to guide you, how to be universally aware, this is the beauty. Now to know about our autonomous nervous system, about [the] sympathetic nervous system – even the doctors have to use at least 100 days to take your cardiogram, to take your blood pressure, and to pass you through all the pathological tests, this test and that test, and you have to do all kinds of things and lots of money is to be spent. Still, God only knows if they can really say this is this. But the self-knowledge is so correct that even a child can say that this is the thing. Now it’s not only the knowledge, for example: now if you have eyes, if you can see something, it’s not that we can see it, but by seeking it, we can correct our movement, we can correct our vision. Supposing something is lying there, and we have got the light in our eyes we can see it, so we need not topple down over that. In the same way in Sahaja Yoga, when you come to know about your physical elements and physical troubles, you also have a power to correct it. You can correct it only by paying attention to that part because your attention is now enlightened by God. You just pay your attention to that and you can do it. This may be at a later stage you can say, but in the earlier stages, even you can move your fingers in the clockwise manner in that part. If you try to take out that trouble, you can by various methods by putting that trouble into the matter which is created out of five elements, and the trouble, also your obstruction is also out of that. When all these elements are in balance there is no problem, but when the balance is lost in them, you get into trouble. So, when in your body that balance is lost whatever that extra is thrown out into that element, and that’s how the balance is established, and you feel quite alright. So you have the knowledge of your physical being for which you do not need a doctor, or you do not need to go to a laboratory, to be a guinea pig. Secondly, you know about your mental being – mentally you understand that you like someone, or you hate someone, but you do not know why? But after Realization, you can say by vibrations that you somehow or other cannot stand that another person. Why? Because he is giving you heat vibrations. In the beginning, the dislike was in such an abstract form that could not understand why you just can’t stand that person though he is a nice person, but you don’t like that person because that person is emitting such and such vibrations which are against the divine vibrations, if you had any, or if you were of the same type you would like [it]. So, mentally also you understand emotionally that why you somehow from inside intuitively you call it, you don’t like the person. Or you go to some house, you don’t like that house at all. You feel terrible in that house, but you do not know why you feel outside like that when the house is so beautiful. Then through vibrations, you can immediately find out what is the reason, and you will find out on your hand that there is the Agnya that is burning. So, you know what’s the problem there. Now, now you can correct that! If the person is cooperating you can tell that person that such and such thing is there – let us get rid of it, and if you become an expert even without telling him you can get rid of it there. . So the knowledge of your behaviour outside – emotional behaviour or emotional outburst for anything is understood through Self-realization that you understand why yourself you are behaving in a particular manner. Moreover, supposing you are a possessed person, you get a possessed feeling. You go outside, you get [a] headache, you feel funny, you get frantic, you start fighting, you become horrid: people don’t understand you don’t understand and get confused. But with Self-realization, you will know, that you have been invaded by some sort of a spirit, and you know how to take it out, and once you take it out you feel completely relieved and that’s how you know your emotional self if it is being attacked. In the hand, for example after Realization, you get more vibrations on the right-hand side and less on the left-hand side – immediately you understand that mister Ego is trying to press the Superego. So, you can balance it by putting your ego hand on your head and putting your left hand towards the divine force, that you give more force into this, and you can balance it. So, you understand your ego and superego (?) – that’s how you understand your inner being – this is still in the gross form. Still, in the gross form, you are understanding yourself, physically and mentally. Now intellect also is charmed, or we should say enlightened by Self-realization. Whatever you read before Self-realisation you get a very superficial idea of the thing. . But once you are Self-realized you think, oh, if this is the thing that they were saying about and that you must have noticed yourself that whatever you read, you know which is to be accepted and which is to be discarded as faults. You laugh at foolish statements, and you accept those things which were regarded as naïve and foolish as the absolute truth. Your priorities change, your proprieties change, and you become a person absolutely one with the absolute reality. Because if you try to accept anything falsehood, you immediately start getting burning in your hand to an extent. It helps you to an extent because it has to maintain your freedom. So Self-realization helps you to a very great extent, unless and until deliberately you go on refusing all the messages from the reality, it goes on, help you. But still you go on sort of defying it, then naturally it disappears. You lose the power of getting the messages. But this is why it is Self-realization because not only the self-knowledge you get, but you know how to correct yourself. Now people create, they create things. They think they are great artists, [but] they cannot explain how it happens and there are people who appreciate also, - they don’t understand why they appreciate a particular art, or why they do not a particular type of thing. But, when you see universally, when the greatest connoisseurs sit down and appreciate an art. Then an ordinary Sahaja Yogi can go and see and tell exactly if the art is aesthetically rich or not because the vibrations will immediately tell you if there was even the slightest thing from that part, you will find terribly vibrations coming . If it is completely harmonious, absolutely in tune with reality, it is joy. Complete joy-giving quality if it has got in its perfection, then you get the vibrations that are congenial to you. Not only congenial but are overpoweringly joy-giving. Sometimes you feel the flood of joy coming over you, dropping throughout and flowing over your being completely fulling and cooling . And that’s how you decide about the art, artist or an art piece that whether it is real creativity or not. So, you understand the art created by others. But supposing you want to create, if you already have the technique well and good, then the artist will find that he starts creating some fantastic things which he has never dreamt of, and continuously he will go on creating, so he taps, or we can say he reaches that source because if you find even the greatest of greatest artists they will create about say 10 pieces nicely then at least 30 would be useless. But if he becomes a Sahaja Yogi, not even one he will create that will be useless – all of them would be first class. The reason being that he is one with the source, so no question of making any mistakes. But the people who just get a glimpse once, twice, thrice might be misguided, and so they can make mistakes. But an artist who is a Sahaja Yogi is there at the source and full with the technique In doing any work outside, say in your business through Self-realization you get that confidence of your being, you feel confident because you are part of that light, and you feel so relaxed because you are just a drop in the ocean, so you are not thinking of cheating others. You are not thinking of bluffing, you are not thinking of all these useless activities into which people indulge and ruin their health and ruin the health of other people who come in contact with them. They have never [had] a very healthy relationship between such people. You may cheat a person for one day you may cheat him for three days but later on, the relationship becomes very unhealthy. So even in your business relationship, you find that you understand the power of self. You experience the power of Self and because of that experience you rise in your Dharma, in your sustenance, and when a person stands on the sustenance, you see, such a man has a really powerful personality and he, when he tries to do business, then people depend on him, rely on him and he is the best businessman . Because he is not only held by his own powers, but at the time all the powers of the unconscious are at his disposal. So by knowing Yourself, you develop your confidence, and you know others, and dealing with them, even if you are cheated say once and twice, you will know that you are never cheated, on the other hand, the other person who tries to cheat you gets cheated. It works out like that is the magic of [the] unconscious. Now, what is the knowledge in a business? That you get the knowledge of creating wealth out of nothing. This is the beauty of Self-realization, that you can create wealth out of nothing like an artist does. By middle tilting here and there, suddenly you find the same thing, which could not have materialized into wealth is working wonders. In India, there was one gentleman who got his Realization, and he found out somehow that he makes small little baskets. In India, they are worth nothing, and he thought that in America, they will be selling like hot cakes. Somehow or other, you see, it came into his head, and when he started exporting them - today he is one of the richest men, (believe Me/really?), and he started with very ordinary things. Because of Self-realization, you see, you can penetrate into your own being, and see at a thing, as others would appreciate. For example; by Self-realization, now I go I am an Indian-born, but I can become an English man, through collective consciousness I can know what an English man wants, but normally an Indian cannot. Now, the plight of Indian export is that they are exporting things to England thinking you are all Indians. If they could be English by any chance, they can export the things that you really need here. So they will send you six (?) sarees. Are useless (?), with such horrid colours , which you think horrid, which Indians think are great. So, you can identify yourself with another person, with his ideologies, with his ideas and can handle the needs of other nations, other people much better. You see, we sell something when others need something, normally people sell it because they think this is to be sold. But, by Sahaja Yoga only you can do this kind of a thing, even to the material side of it. How Sahaja Yoga helped you. It’s an example, that how you understand your surroundings, which formally you were not able to understand, but now with Self-realization, you understand because you can identify yourself with another person. And that’s once you start understanding others, outside, then you start understanding the outside life, so-called outside, that is not yourself, but it is had to be part and parcel of your being. And that is how the whole thing become a homogeneous. Now, the greatest advantage of Sahaja Yoga is, the greatest of all, is that you know the technique of correction. People are Realised in this world, many are born Realised, but they do not know the technique, how to correct themselves, how to use their vibrations, they don’t even know they have vibrations, so many of them. So, Sahaja Yoga gives you all the techniques, how to use those vibrations, how to correct yourself. Because of this, a person who is a Sahaja Yogi can become dharmic (righteous). I do not name any particular religion., which you know, understand very well, but your sustenance power by which you sustain yourself to be yourself. Because unless and until you know what is wrong and what is good, what is absurd and what is congenial, or divine, how will you be able to decide, and that deciding power is dawned upon you. You see, these people do not understand what I mean by “dawned upon you” but you people understand that, that you can feel it, that this is not proper, is not to be done. If you do it, you know you have done wrong because immediately you know through your vibrations, that you have lost it. Or something has happened to your vibrations, or you are a little confused, and you find it out. So, this is the greatest thing that can happen, that you know what is good and what is not. It’s no question of [a] matter of opinion anymore, but it is a fact! That is why it is Self-realization because if self is a part of the absolute, you must let the values of absoluteness in you. And if you can really evaluate everything in relation to absolute, you have no problems. That is what is Self-realization! What a technique! What a[n] advancement, that so far everything is a confusion, you don’t know whether this is right, that is right. This part of the culture is alright or that part of the culture [is] alright? Whether this what they say is alright, or whether what these people say all right? All kinds of ideas, [and] confused ideas have come up. Everybody has written books. Everybody who felt like writing, anybody who had 5 pounds can write a book. Now, what to believe [and] what not to believe? Where to go? What to do? All the confusion gets sorted out because you are now on a pedestal to see the confusion very clearly and your own pedestal too. That is why it is self-knowledge. Because you know what is your sustaining power, so you know the beginning of your spiritual life. Then also you know what others are doing to harm their dharmic life. Sometimes, they are very troublesome to you, but gradually you start sympathizing with them, that they do not know what is dharma, they are angry with you because they are suffering from an unconscious inferiority complex. They think, look at these people they are saving their money, they are not wasting their money into these things: so, they are angry with you. Sometimes they think , they have got their family life quite intact so they are angry with you, sometimes they find [that] you are very happy people, so they are angry with you. What Christ has done? He did not do any wrong to anyone. He only cured people. What else did He do that He was crucified so badly and brutally along with, along with the thieves? Only thing that He did was, that He (dared?). All their ego was hurt. He just said, ‘because I am the light, I am the path’. Only for saying that much, He was crucified because they couldn’t bear anybody saying that to them. When, such a great incarnation comes in also, so far in the history of this world and universe, nobody recognizes them, and they were just a waste, and all were misused, by all the people. When they died, of course, they were so-called a sort of worshipped without any connection being established when they lived. But only through Sahaja Yog , and your Self-realization through Sahaja Yog , now you can make out who is the person who is really an Incarnation and who is really a Realised-soul. This is the first time you can recognize Christ. Anybody who says I am Christ, you are not going to believe it because you can recognize Him because the instrument that is Yourself, that light is now burning within you, and you can see through that because you are really enlightened. That’s why it is Self-realization. Otherwise, so far, you see, anywhere, great men were born. Socrates, what has happened to him and what did he do? I mean, just think of it, he didn’t do anything wrong. Galileo, anybody! Because never truth was accepted by people who were not Realised, they cannot because they do not have that power to bear the truth. And that’s why always who propounded the truth was killed by people who really did not want to commit the sin, but out of ignorance they do it . So, now you are enlightened, you are wiser. And your ignorance is removed. Now you have the light. That’s why it is Self-realization. Now, through your Self-realization, you can feel the pain of others. Supposing now you are born an English man. The average English man will feel unhappy because some English man is punished someone. But a Sahaja Yogi English man will not if he knows that he was a brute, and he should have been; Because he detaches himself from that misidentification as far as a particular nationality is concerned. Because somebody is an English man or an Indian, he should be excused, (he has a?) very limited view of the whole thing. Why? Because, after all, we are all human beings. Anywhere in the whole world wherever anybody tries to dominate and destroy the innocent human beings that are created by God is to be punished whether he is an Indian, English man or anyone. Such a generous light enlightens your path and you become a different person. For example, we can say Abraham Lincoln, a man we call him very great. What was the thing about him? He was very great. Why? Because he could see, that when I do not want to be enslaved, why should I have a slave? So, you are pitched higher only because you stepped into the realm of Self! Otherwise, you cannot, otherwise, you are misidentified all the time. I am this, I am that, but you are not Self. If you become Self, then universally you accept whatever is the Truth. Then you do not misidentify yourself with things (?) you are not satisfied with. On the contrary, when you try to do something you feel all these things, forces [that] are very beautifully balanced are helping you, and you are doing the whole thing as you say with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your body; all integrated so beautifully and balanced, that there is no problem for you doing that. You do not feel hesitant about it if once you are established in your self-power. So, by Self-realization, you feel the power of Self. Now, power does not mean domination by any chance, but it means the balancing power. Gradually you start discovering around you, how you help others by your balanced personality, then you also discover that you heal, help the atmosphere, help the nature, after the light of self has come into you. You find that you become a vehicle for the unconscious, which flows into the matter. This has never done by human beings before, that they could flow the unconscious into matter. Now you do because you can see that by your giving vibrations, you can make some flowers so very fragrant, so very beautiful, some trees giving so much of fruits. Some cows giving more milk, that you are surprised how you have given this power of divine love from the unconscious to the nature. So far man has been only abstracting power, or gaining something from, but no one has ever been able to give any power to the nature that surrounds . By giving power, you mean, that you give the vibrations to those which are other things, not human beings, like all other living things like plants and animals. And you find that they also change in their productivity, in their beauty, in their taste, in their colour, in their glow. That is how you enrich this Mother Earth, from Whom you have got. When there are Sahaja Yogis together - if they live together, when they recite mantras, and when they sing the praise of God when they say prayers to God, the atmosphere itself changes. There is a change in the metabolism of the whole atmosphere that you can feel by the working of it if you try that. Supposing some Sahaja Yogis go and visit a country, where there is a lot of strikes is going on, problems are going on, immediately you will find there will be a balance established, [and] there will be peace established, only by the presence of the Sahaja Yogis. That is how you realize how, in so many ways, the self, manifests itself when we become identified with it. . Why is it that so far, the Self, has not [been] identified? Because it had no vehicle. You provide the vehicle and that’s how the Self becomes knowledgeable to you, you get the knowledge of the Self and you give that knowledge as vibrations to others. There are so many things one can say about Self-realization, which you can tell from your own experience, how you have been able to know and verify various things. Now take the case of Pat. He did not know much of Indian music, he had never studied them. He had never heard it, but now he is understanding the beauty of that music, and he knows what is going on in that music. In the same way, an Indian, who had never heard English music, saying your symphonies. . He doesn’t understand what is the beauty in it because that has come from the unconscious, and now once he becomes Self-realized, he immediately recognizes the unconscious, the joy giving unconscious, which is written in those beautiful notes, which are beautifully woven and integrated through the instrument of that artist who has created it. Now whether he is an Indian, whether he is a German or English makes no difference, but the unconscious has used that vehicle, but that has been used partially. [A] Sahaja Yogi can immediately make out which note is not good, which is striking, which is too much heavy, which is not in balance, which is creating a disharmony because he is now an instrument which records, judges and also emits that what is reality which is joy-giving. I have to again stress one more very important aspect of Self-realization. [The] Self exists in the Heart of human beings – I mean it is reflected in the heart, so a Sahaja Yogi who is Realised and is depending on his heart, or is trying to enrich his heart, is definitely a more sensitive person. By rationality, by intellectual pursuits, of course, you can accept Sahaja Yog better. But a person who can feel it through the heart – the feeling of oneness with your heart, surrendering yourself to your heart, humbling down your intellect before your heart, that’s the temple of the Self. That the Self, when it enlightens the Heart, the Heart is reflected in the brain. When the integration between the heart and the brain is completely established, then a complete integration between your intellect and the Self takes place. That is when you start getting the knowledge from the Self. This is at a later stage when you start receiving knowledge from the Self. Not only the discriminatory knowledge, but knowledge of all the things. Whatever you want to know will be there. You just become a sort of a panoramic screen, and you are surprised how the Unconscious is throwing everything on your brain, and you are surprised What a knowledge! “Oh Lord, such a lot I have knowing, just through this”. And when you start seeing it, you are not afraid of ignorance or of ignorant. Because you see that so clearly thrown before your vision of awareness that you start recording it, and seeing it, tallying it, verifying it and using it with all the confidence. And that is the time, I feel, that Sahaja Yogi understands much more. Today is the day when a Mother is being worshipped as a Guru and is a very unique, so far mostly the gurus have been men. I too, has a Guru, and his name is Dattatreya. And this guru is also created by Adi Shakti Herself. It’s a very funny relationship that exists because He is the Father, He is the Son. He is the Brother, all the sublime relationships that can exist between a Guru and a Disciple who is a Lady who is a Woman. Now, this Guru was created when the world was created itself. Because one had to create a Guru before the world was created, in Vaikuntha stage only. But then He reincarnated many times, at the time of Rama, very early, even before Rama came into this world, much earlier than that. He was created by Satya Anasuya. She was Herself a part of the Adi Shakti who created Him out of the essences – the innocence of Brahma Vishnu and Mahesh. There is a legend about it, which I will tell you sometime. And She created Him, actually, She created Him, so She is the Mother. But then, She[He] becomes the Guru when She is born as Sita, He becomes the Father, so [the] father is Her Guru. Then when Rajanaka is born as Muhammad Sahib, then She becomes again the daughter. But when He is born as Nanaka, then (He becomes) She becomes His Sister. So the relationship exist. And whenever He is born, She is born in a way that, you see, that relationship is kept a [a] sublime relationship. I mean to say, that they are never born as husband and wife. But this is the first time I would say, that I have become a Guru. I have never been a Guru in my previous lives. Guru means a person who tries to help the evolving souls to evolve, helps the people who are trying to swim ashore the shore of [the] Kingdom of God by their guidance. This is a Guru. This time only a Mother had to become a Guru because they being men, they were a bit too harsh and when it had to be a mass movement, it was necessary that a Mother had to represent the Guru. So, I had to come as a Guru to human beings and talk to you and tell you in a motherly way. But the Mother's position is the worst when She becomes a Guru because children take [the] Mother for granted, and they take always the great advantage of the Mother. They can talk quite rudely to a Mother, but not to a teacher. They can be quite arrogant and can be quite quarrelling with a Mother because that is the relationship of a Mother. But before a Guru, you don’t even raise your eyes. So, this is a more difficult gurudom than a normal one, to be a Mother, and to give you birth, and to guide you. Because it is the most hateful thing for Mother is, to hurt the child, even when he is doing wrong, she feels sad. But a Guru does not. He won’t mind slashing you out in case you are doing wrong. He won’t mind throwing you down from a hill if you have done wrong. He don’t (doesn’t) mind slapping you if you have done wrong. But for a Mother, it is a very difficult task, but a Mother (?) to understand the children whom She has given Realization. So, I am the Guru and also a Mother. Today is the day people, this is created by human beings and not by God as Guru Purnima because as God has created days of their advent, human beings have created days of their surrendering. So, this is the day when you have to give something to the Guru, and Guru does not have to give anything to you. This is the time you have to say what you are going to (give?) What you are going to do for your Guru? Because so far, the Guru has been giving. If you are in meditation, supposing you are saying you will meditate because Guru Purnima is there, that is not the way, Guru Purnima is to be celebrated. Because if you meditate, you are taking from Me. If you try to correct yourself, you are taking from Me. If you are going to get cured, you are taking from Me. So, no! What can you do for Me is the point, you have to think about it. What can you do? Now I have sent the same question to Indians and asked them to find out what can you do for Me. You will say, - Mother, what can we do? After all, what are we? That’s the way of evading the issue, but if you really want to see, you can do a lot, and that is what it is that you are my witness. You are my publicity. So today you have to take some vows, and you have to say that, we are going to do these things. We are going to talk about Sahaja Yog . We are going to propagate it, we are going to spread it, and what may come we are going to surrender ourselves to Mother, even if She’s supposing scolds us, or says anything it is for our good. And we are not going to get confused, and that’s how you have to absolutely vow, that you are going to dedicate yourself to Sahaja Yog , to help others, to emancipate and to create the atmosphere for the completion of this universe of this creation for that fruitful day: when we will say that the Kingdom of God has been brought on this Earth. So, today is not the day for Me to give for you. You have to announce for example (?) there is somebody who is in India, I don’t know what is the position here, but supposing there is someone you want to celebrate, or you want to reciprocate, then what they do, they write in the newspaper that, ‘such and such man has done so much for us, so we thank him very much for this’, in the paper. You see, you get a complete three- four newspapers put together. You will find all such advertisements appear all like that. You see, this is how you do it, that you tell people, talk to them and do it in this way, so that the publicity for Sahaja Yoga spreads, that you surrender yourself as a vehicle of this machine of this great work. This is what God wants you to do. So, today is the day of certain determinations that by such and such date, on such and such time, we will have these things and we will do these things. This is what you have to decide and think about it, and this is what you have to manage, and this is what you have to give. This is the only thing that you can give to God, is to become the instruments of God, complete surrendering yourself to Him, so that, this world of yours, this universe of yours, because I do not belong to any universe or any creation whatsoever, it does not matter with Me if this creation is gone or lives. It is for you people. It is only for you that you have to have this creation, and so, [the] only thing that you can do is to give Me the assurance, that I should see that by creating this universe and by this world, God has not gone wrong, and by giving you Realization, I have not gone wrong because you are going to help in the complete emancipation of [the] humanity. This is what Guru Purnima is. When you think on those lines immediately you know what you should do for the next Guru Purnima, you have to plan it now. So, maybe I don’t know what in India they will do. They may have a big lecture arranged in My absence, may arrange some big people to come and speak about Me, and talk about Me. I don’t know what they will be doing. Of course, I would not like you to take out a procession, as these people will be taking out. But there may be some methods which you can think of, by which you can announce the advent of a Guru as a Mother, who is trying to help the people to find what they are seeking.

Public program, 1977-0731, Kundalini and Self-realization So, when you get your Realization, [the] first and foremost thing you must know about your physical self, which is not known to you so far. As soon as you jump into the Unconscious, you have witnessed it that you come to know about your physical being: first about yourself. You come to know what is your physical problem, where are you suffering. Automatically you know that this is what you are suffering from, you don’t have to go to a doctor to ask him what you are suffering from. Supposing your Nabhi chakra is catching, you know that there is trouble in the stomach. If you progress a little more with the frequencies of that, immediately you know that it is in this part. Even on the finger on the right-hand side if you get burning more on the left-hand side of the finger, then you must know that the trouble is more on the left-hand side than on the right-hand side. By practice, you understand exactly what kind of a trouble it is. But after some time, you just say that this is the trouble and that is what it is. It is like a computer you put on. So, the self-knowledge which is first experienced becomes the actualization. This we can say is the second stage. But definitely in the first stage, you get the experience of your physical being. Now see the beauty of it, how it is beautifully done. When you put your hands towards Me, you understand your position first of all. You do not realize Me, but you realize yourself – immediately you feel the burning, or you feel the cooling, or you feel the smarting or tingling or whatever it is. All that is not indicative of Me, but is all indicative of you. Then by the vibrations that are flowing through My Being, they are corrected; all these problems are corrected. Then when your machine is corrected then the same machine that Myself emits, the vibrations, or you receive the vibrations which are really Me. But that to an extent to that extent which you have achieved – the clarity and the sensitivity. On the other hand, when you want to know about the health of other people, there your machine does not feel your problem but feels more the problems of another person, and once you have corrected the problems of the other person, then you start feeling your own problems. How beautifully it is arranged, you see so that you have to - you are compelled to cure another person. If you do not cure the other person, you cannot feel yourself! That is how the unconscious is trying to guide you, how to be universally aware, this is the beauty. Now to know about our autonomous nervous system, about [the] sympathetic nervous system – even the doctors have to use at least 100 days to take your cardiogram, to take your blood pressure, and to pass you through all the pathological tests, this test and that test, and you have to do all kinds of things and lots of money is to be spent. Still, God only knows if they can really say this is this. But the self-knowledge is so correct that even a child can say that this is the thing. Now it’s not only the knowledge, for example: now if you have eyes, if you can see something, it’s not that we can see it, but by seeking it, we can correct our movement, we can correct our vision. Supposing something is lying there, and we have got the light in our eyes we can see it, so we need not topple down over that. In the same way in Sahaja Yoga, when you come to know about your physical elements and physical troubles, you also have a power to correct it. You can correct it only by paying attention to that part because your attention is now enlightened by God. You just pay your attention to that and you can do it. This may be at a later stage you can say, but in the earlier stages, even you can move your fingers in the clockwise manner in that part. If you try to take out that trouble, you can by various methods by putting that trouble into the matter which is created out of five elements, and the trouble, also your obstruction is also out of that. When all these elements are in balance there is no problem, but when the balance is lost in them, you get into trouble. So, when in your body that balance is lost whatever that extra is thrown out into that element, and that’s how the balance is established, and you feel quite alright. So you have the knowledge of your physical being for which you do not need a doctor, or you do not need to go to a laboratory, to be a guinea pig. Secondly, you know about your mental being – mentally you understand that you like someone, or you hate someone, but you do not know why? But after Realization, you can say by vibrations that you somehow or other cannot stand that another person. Why? Because he is giving you heat vibrations. In the beginning, the dislike was in such an abstract form that could not understand why you just can’t stand that person though he is a nice person, but you don’t like that person because that person is emitting such and such vibrations which are against the divine vibrations, if you had any, or if you were of the same type you would like [it]. So, mentally also you understand emotionally that why you somehow from inside intuitively you call it, you don’t like the person. Or you go to some house, you don’t like that house at all. You feel terrible in that house, but you do not know why you feel outside like that when the house is so beautiful. Then through vibrations, you can immediately find out what is the reason, and you will find out on your hand that there is the Agnya that is burning. So, you know what’s the problem there. Now, now you can correct that! If the person is cooperating you can tell that person that such and such thing is there – let us get rid of it, and if you become an expert even without telling him you can get rid of it there. . So the knowledge of your behaviour outside – emotional behaviour or emotional outburst for anything is understood through Self-realization that you understand why yourself you are behaving in a particular manner. Moreover, supposing you are a possessed person, you get a possessed feeling. You go outside, you get [a] headache, you feel funny, you get frantic, you start fighting, you become horrid: people don’t understand you don’t understand and get confused. But with Self-realization, you will know, that you have been invaded by some sort of a spirit, and you know how to take it out, and once you take it out you feel completely relieved and that’s how you know your emotional self if it is being attacked. In the hand, for example after Realization, you get more vibrations on the right-hand side and less on the left-hand side – immediately you understand that mister Ego is trying to press the Superego. So, you can balance it by putting your ego hand on your head and putting your left hand towards the divine force, that you give more force into this, and you can balance it. So, you understand your ego and superego (?) – that’s how you understand your inner being – this is still in the gross form. Still, in the gross form, you are understanding yourself, physically and mentally. Now intellect also is charmed, or we should say enlightened by Self-realization. Whatever you read before Self-realisation you get a very superficial idea of the thing. . But once you are Self-realized you think, oh, if this is the thing that they were saying about and that you must have noticed yourself that whatever you read, you know which is to be accepted and which is to be discarded as faults. You laugh at foolish statements, and you accept those things which were regarded as naïve and foolish as the absolute truth. Your priorities change, your proprieties change, and you become a person absolutely one with the absolute reality. Because if you try to accept anything falsehood, you immediately start getting burning in your hand to an extent. It helps you to an extent because it has to maintain your freedom. So Self-realization helps you to a very great extent, unless and until deliberately you go on refusing all the messages from the reality, it goes on, help you. But still you go on sort of defying it, then naturally it disappears. You lose the power of getting the messages. But this is why it is Self-realization because not only the self-knowledge you get, but you know how to correct yourself. Now people create, they create things. They think they are great artists, [but] they cannot explain how it happens and there are people who appreciate also, - they don’t understand why they appreciate a particular art, or why they do not a particular type of thing. But, when you see universally, when the greatest connoisseurs sit down and appreciate an art. Then an ordinary Sahaja Yogi can go and see and tell exactly if the art is aesthetically rich or not because the vibrations will immediately tell you if there was even the slightest thing from that part, you will find terribly vibrations coming . If it is completely harmonious, absolutely in tune with reality, it is joy. Complete joy-giving quality if it has got in its perfection, then you get the vibrations that are congenial to you. Not only congenial but are overpoweringly joy-giving. Sometimes you feel the flood of joy coming over you, dropping throughout and flowing over your being completely fulling and cooling . And that’s how you decide about the art, artist or an art piece that whether it is real creativity or not. So, you understand the art created by others. But supposing you want to create, if you already have the technique well and good, then the artist will find that he starts creating some fantastic things which he has never dreamt of, and continuously he will go on creating, so he taps, or we can say he reaches that source because if you find even the greatest of greatest artists they will create about say 10 pieces nicely then at least 30 would be useless. But if he becomes a Sahaja Yogi, not even one he will create that will be useless – all of them would be first class. The reason being that he is one with the source, so no question of making any mistakes. But the people who just get a glimpse once, twice, thrice might be misguided, and so they can make mistakes. But an artist who is a Sahaja Yogi is there at the source and full with the technique In doing any work outside, say in your business through Self-realization you get that confidence of your being, you feel confident because you are part of that light, and you feel so relaxed because you are just a drop in the ocean, so you are not thinking of cheating others. You are not thinking of bluffing, you are not thinking of all these useless activities into which people indulge and ruin their health and ruin the health of other people who come in contact with them. They have never [had] a very healthy relationship between such people. You may cheat a person for one day you may cheat him for three days but later on, the relationship becomes very unhealthy. So even in your business relationship, you find that you understand the power of self. You experience the power of Self and because of that experience you rise in your Dharma, in your sustenance, and when a person stands on the sustenance, you see, such a man has a really powerful personality and he, when he tries to do business, then people depend on him, rely on him and he is the best businessman . Because he is not only held by his own powers, but at the time all the powers of the unconscious are at his disposal. So by knowing Yourself, you develop your confidence, and you know others, and dealing with them, even if you are cheated say once and twice, you will know that you are never cheated, on the other hand, the other person who tries to cheat you gets cheated. It works out like that is the magic of [the] unconscious. Now, what is the knowledge in a business? That you get the knowledge of creating wealth out of nothing. This is the beauty of Self-realization, that you can create wealth out of nothing like an artist does. By middle tilting here and there, suddenly you find the same thing, which could not have materialized into wealth is working wonders. In India, there was one gentleman who got his Realization, and he found out somehow that he makes small little baskets. In India, they are worth nothing, and he thought that in America, they will be selling like hot cakes. Somehow or other, you see, it came into his head, and when he started exporting them - today he is one of the richest men, (believe Me/really?), and he started with very ordinary things. Because of Self-realization, you see, you can penetrate into your own being, and see at a thing, as others would appreciate. For example; by Self-realization, now I go I am an Indian-born, but I can become an English man, through collective consciousness I can know what an English man wants, but normally an Indian cannot. Now, the plight of Indian export is that they are exporting things to England thinking you are all Indians. If they could be English by any chance, they can export the things that you really need here. So they will send you six (?) sarees. Are useless (?), with such horrid colours , which you think horrid, which Indians think are great. So, you can identify yourself with another person, with his ideologies, with his ideas and can handle the needs of other nations, other people much better. You see, we sell something when others need something, normally people sell it because they think this is to be sold. But, by Sahaja Yoga only you can do this kind of a thing, even to the material side of it. How Sahaja Yoga helped you. It’s an example, that how you understand your surroundings, which formally you were not able to understand, but now with Self-realization, you understand because you can identify yourself with another person. And that’s once you start understanding others, outside, then you start understanding the outside life, so-called outside, that is not yourself, but it is had to be part and parcel of your being. And that is how the whole thing become a homogeneous. Now, the greatest advantage of Sahaja Yoga is, the greatest of all, is that you know the technique of correction. People are Realised in this world, many are born Realised, but they do not know the technique, how to correct themselves, how to use their vibrations, they don’t even know they have vibrations, so many of them. So, Sahaja Yoga gives you all the techniques, how to use those vibrations, how to correct yourself. Because of this, a person who is a Sahaja Yogi can become dharmic (righteous). I do not name any particular religion., which you know, understand very well, but your sustenance power by which you sustain yourself to be yourself. Because unless and until you know what is wrong and what is good, what is absurd and what is congenial, or divine, how will you be able to decide, and that deciding power is dawned upon you. You see, these people do not understand what I mean by “dawned upon you” but you people understand that, that you can feel it, that this is not proper, is not to be done. If you do it, you know you have done wrong because immediately you know through your vibrations, that you have lost it. Or something has happened to your vibrations, or you are a little confused, and you find it out. So, this is the greatest thing that can happen, that you know what is good and what is not. It’s no question of [a] matter of opinion anymore, but it is a fact! That is why it is Self-realization because if self is a part of the absolute, you must let the values of absoluteness in you. And if you can really evaluate everything in relation to absolute, you have no problems. That is what is Self-realization! What a technique! What a[n] advancement, that so far everything is a confusion, you don’t know whether this is right, that is right. This part of the culture is alright or that part of the culture [is] alright? Whether this what they say is alright, or whether what these people say all right? All kinds of ideas, [and] confused ideas have come up. Everybody has written books. Everybody who felt like writing, anybody who had 5 pounds can write a book. Now, what to believe [and] what not to believe? Where to go? What to do? All the confusion gets sorted out because you are now on a pedestal to see the confusion very clearly and your own pedestal too. That is why it is self-knowledge. Because you know what is your sustaining power, so you know the beginning of your spiritual life. Then also you know what others are doing to harm their dharmic life. Sometimes, they are very troublesome to you, but gradually you start sympathizing with them, that they do not know what is dharma, they are angry with you because they are suffering from an unconscious inferiority complex. They think, look at these people they are saving their money, they are not wasting their money into these things: so, they are angry with you. Sometimes they think , they have got their family life quite intact so they are angry with you, sometimes they find [that] you are very happy people, so they are angry with you. What Christ has done? He did not do any wrong to anyone. He only cured people. What else did He do that He was crucified so badly and brutally along with, along with the thieves? Only thing that He did was, that He (dared?). All their ego was hurt. He just said, ‘because I am the light, I am the path’. Only for saying that much, He was crucified because they couldn’t bear anybody saying that to them. When, such a great incarnation comes in also, so far in the history of this world and universe, nobody recognizes them, and they were just a waste, and all were misused, by all the people. When they died, of course, they were so-called a sort of worshipped without any connection being established when they lived. But only through Sahaja Yog , and your Self-realization through Sahaja Yog , now you can make out who is the person who is really an Incarnation and who is really a Realised-soul. This is the first time you can recognize Christ. Anybody who says I am Christ, you are not going to believe it because you can recognize Him because the instrument that is Yourself, that light is now burning within you, and you can see through that because you are really enlightened. That’s why it is Self-realization. Otherwise, so far, you see, anywhere, great men were born. Socrates, what has happened to him and what did he do? I mean, just think of it, he didn’t do anything wrong. Galileo, anybody! Because never truth was accepted by people who were not Realised, they cannot because they do not have that power to bear the truth. And that’s why always who propounded the truth was killed by people who really did not want to commit the sin, but out of ignorance they do it . So, now you are enlightened, you are wiser. And your ignorance is removed. Now you have the light. That’s why it is Self-realization. Now, through your Self-realization, you can feel the pain of others. Supposing now you are born an English man. The average English man will feel unhappy because some English man is punished someone. But a Sahaja Yogi English man will not if he knows that he was a brute, and he should have been; Because he detaches himself from that misidentification as far as a particular nationality is concerned. Because somebody is an English man or an Indian, he should be excused, (he has a?) very limited view of the whole thing. Why? Because, after all, we are all human beings. Anywhere in the whole world wherever anybody tries to dominate and destroy the innocent human beings that are created by God is to be punished whether he is an Indian, English man or anyone. Such a generous light enlightens your path and you become a different person. For example, we can say Abraham Lincoln, a man we call him very great. What was the thing about him? He was very great. Why? Because he could see, that when I do not want to be enslaved, why should I have a slave? So, you are pitched higher only because you stepped into the realm of Self! Otherwise, you cannot, otherwise, you are misidentified all the time. I am this, I am that, but you are not Self. If you become Self, then universally you accept whatever is the Truth. Then you do not misidentify yourself with things (?) you are not satisfied with. On the contrary, when you try to do something you feel all these things, forces [that] are very beautifully balanced are helping you, and you are doing the whole thing as you say with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your body; all integrated so beautifully and balanced, that there is no problem for you doing that. You do not feel hesitant about it if once you are established in your self-power. So, by Self-realization, you feel the power of Self. Now, power does not mean domination by any chance, but it means the balancing power. Gradually you start discovering around you, how you help others by your balanced personality, then you also discover that you heal, help the atmosphere, help the nature, after the light of self has come into you. You find that you become a vehicle for the unconscious, which flows into the matter. This has never done by human beings before, that they could flow the unconscious into matter. Now you do because you can see that by your giving vibrations, you can make some flowers so very fragrant, so very beautiful, some trees giving so much of fruits. Some cows giving more milk, that you are surprised how you have given this power of divine love from the unconscious to the nature. So far man has been only abstracting power, or gaining something from, but no one has ever been able to give any power to the nature that surrounds . By giving power, you mean, that you give the vibrations to those which are other things, not human beings, like all other living things like plants and animals. And you find that they also change in their productivity, in their beauty, in their taste, in their colour, in their glow. That is how you enrich this Mother Earth, from Whom you have got. When there are Sahaja Yogis together - if they live together, when they recite mantras, and when they sing the praise of God when they say prayers to God, the atmosphere itself changes. There is a change in the metabolism of the whole atmosphere that you can feel by the working of it if you try that. Supposing some Sahaja Yogis go and visit a country, where there is a lot of strikes is going on, problems are going on, immediately you will find there will be a balance established, [and] there will be peace established, only by the presence of the Sahaja Yogis. That is how you realize how, in so many ways, the self, manifests itself when we become identified with it. . Why is it that so far, the Self, has not [been] identified? Because it had no vehicle. You provide the vehicle and that’s how the Self becomes knowledgeable to you, you get the knowledge of the Self and you give that knowledge as vibrations to others. There are so many things one can say about Self-realization, which you can tell from your own experience, how you have been able to know and verify various things. Now take the case of Pat. He did not know much of Indian music, he had never studied them. He had never heard it, but now he is understanding the beauty of that music, and he knows what is going on in that music. In the same way, an Indian, who had never heard English music, saying your symphonies. . He doesn’t understand what is the beauty in it because that has come from the unconscious, and now once he becomes Self-realized, he immediately recognizes the unconscious, the joy giving unconscious, which is written in those beautiful notes, which are beautifully woven and integrated through the instrument of that artist who has created it. Now whether he is an Indian, whether he is a German or English makes no difference, but the unconscious has used that vehicle, but that has been used partially. [A] Sahaja Yogi can immediately make out which note is not good, which is striking, which is too much heavy, which is not in balance, which is creating a disharmony because he is now an instrument which records, judges and also emits that what is reality which is joy-giving. I have to again stress one more very important aspect of Self-realization. [The] Self exists in the Heart of human beings – I mean it is reflected in the heart, so a Sahaja Yogi who is Realised and is depending on his heart, or is trying to enrich his heart, is definitely a more sensitive person. By rationality, by intellectual pursuits, of course, you can accept Sahaja Yog better. But a person who can feel it through the heart – the feeling of oneness with your heart, surrendering yourself to your heart, humbling down your intellect before your heart, that’s the temple of the Self. That the Self, when it enlightens the Heart, the Heart is reflected in the brain. When the integration between the heart and the brain is completely established, then a complete integration between your intellect and the Self takes place. That is when you start getting the knowledge from the Self. This is at a later stage when you start receiving knowledge from the Self. Not only the discriminatory knowledge, but knowledge of all the things. Whatever you want to know will be there. You just become a sort of a panoramic screen, and you are surprised how the Unconscious is throwing everything on your brain, and you are surprised What a knowledge! “Oh Lord, such a lot I have knowing, just through this”. And when you start seeing it, you are not afraid of ignorance or of ignorant. Because you see that so clearly thrown before your vision of awareness that you start recording it, and seeing it, tallying it, verifying it and using it with all the confidence. And that is the time, I feel, that Sahaja Yogi understands much more. Today is the day when a Mother is being worshipped as a Guru and is a very unique, so far mostly the gurus have been men. I too, has a Guru, and his name is Dattatreya. And this guru is also created by Adi Shakti Herself. It’s a very funny relationship that exists because He is the Father, He is the Son. He is the Brother, all the sublime relationships that can exist between a Guru and a Disciple who is a Lady who is a Woman. Now, this Guru was created when the world was created itself. Because one had to create a Guru before the world was created, in Vaikuntha stage only. But then He reincarnated many times, at the time of Rama, very early, even before Rama came into this world, much earlier than that. He was created by Satya Anasuya. She was Herself a part of the Adi Shakti who created Him out of the essences – the innocence of Brahma Vishnu and Mahesh. There is a legend about it, which I will tell you sometime. And She created Him, actually, She created Him, so She is the Mother. But then, She[He] becomes the Guru when She is born as Sita, He becomes the Father, so [the] father is Her Guru. Then when Rajanaka is born as Muhammad Sahib, then She becomes again the daughter. But when He is born as Nanaka, then (He becomes) She becomes His Sister. So the relationship exist. And whenever He is born, She is born in a way that, you see, that relationship is kept a [a] sublime relationship. I mean to say, that they are never born as husband and wife. But this is the first time I would say, that I have become a Guru. I have never been a Guru in my previous lives. Guru means a person who tries to help the evolving souls to evolve, helps the people who are trying to swim ashore the shore of [the] Kingdom of God by their guidance. This is a Guru. This time only a Mother had to become a Guru because they being men, they were a bit too harsh and when it had to be a mass movement, it was necessary that a Mother had to represent the Guru. So, I had to come as a Guru to human beings and talk to you and tell you in a motherly way. But the Mother's position is the worst when She becomes a Guru because children take [the] Mother for granted, and they take always the great advantage of the Mother. They can talk quite rudely to a Mother, but not to a teacher. They can be quite arrogant and can be quite quarrelling with a Mother because that is the relationship of a Mother. But before a Guru, you don’t even raise your eyes. So, this is a more difficult gurudom than a normal one, to be a Mother, and to give you birth, and to guide you. Because it is the most hateful thing for Mother is, to hurt the child, even when he is doing wrong, she feels sad. But a Guru does not. He won’t mind slashing you out in case you are doing wrong. He won’t mind throwing you down from a hill if you have done wrong. He don’t (doesn’t) mind slapping you if you have done wrong. But for a Mother, it is a very difficult task, but a Mother (?) to understand the children whom She has given Realization. So, I am the Guru and also a Mother. Today is the day people, this is created by human beings and not by God as Guru Purnima because as God has created days of their advent, human beings have created days of their surrendering. So, this is the day when you have to give something to the Guru, and Guru does not have to give anything to you. This is the time you have to say what you are going to (give?) What you are going to do for your Guru? Because so far, the Guru has been giving. If you are in meditation, supposing you are saying you will meditate because Guru Purnima is there, that is not the way, Guru Purnima is to be celebrated. Because if you meditate, you are taking from Me. If you try to correct yourself, you are taking from Me. If you are going to get cured, you are taking from Me. So, no! What can you do for Me is the point, you have to think about it. What can you do? Now I have sent the same question to Indians and asked them to find out what can you do for Me. You will say, - Mother, what can we do? After all, what are we? That’s the way of evading the issue, but if you really want to see, you can do a lot, and that is what it is that you are my witness. You are my publicity. So today you have to take some vows, and you have to say that, we are going to do these things. We are going to talk about Sahaja Yog . We are going to propagate it, we are going to spread it, and what may come we are going to surrender ourselves to Mother, even if She’s supposing scolds us, or says anything it is for our good. And we are not going to get confused, and that’s how you have to absolutely vow, that you are going to dedicate yourself to Sahaja Yog , to help others, to emancipate and to create the atmosphere for the completion of this universe of this creation for that fruitful day: when we will say that the Kingdom of God has been brought on this Earth. So, today is not the day for Me to give for you. You have to announce for example (?) there is somebody who is in India, I don’t know what is the position here, but supposing there is someone you want to celebrate, or you want to reciprocate, then what they do, they write in the newspaper that, ‘such and such man has done so much for us, so we thank him very much for this’, in the paper. You see, you get a complete three- four newspapers put together. You will find all such advertisements appear all like that. You see, this is how you do it, that you tell people, talk to them and do it in this way, so that the publicity for Sahaja Yoga spreads, that you surrender yourself as a vehicle of this machine of this great work. This is what God wants you to do. So, today is the day of certain determinations that by such and such date, on such and such time, we will have these things and we will do these things. This is what you have to decide and think about it, and this is what you have to manage, and this is what you have to give. This is the only thing that you can give to God, is to become the instruments of God, complete surrendering yourself to Him, so that, this world of yours, this universe of yours, because I do not belong to any universe or any creation whatsoever, it does not matter with Me if this creation is gone or lives. It is for you people. It is only for you that you have to have this creation, and so, [the] only thing that you can do is to give Me the assurance, that I should see that by creating this universe and by this world, God has not gone wrong, and by giving you Realization, I have not gone wrong because you are going to help in the complete emancipation of [the] humanity. This is what Guru Purnima is. When you think on those lines immediately you know what you should do for the next Guru Purnima, you have to plan it now. So, maybe I don’t know what in India they will do. They may have a big lecture arranged in My absence, may arrange some big people to come and speak about Me, and talk about Me. I don’t know what they will be doing. Of course, I would not like you to take out a procession, as these people will be taking out. But there may be some methods which you can think of, by which you can announce the advent of a Guru as a Mother, who is trying to help the people to find what they are seeking.

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Letter of Shri Mataji, Friday, September 2nd, 1977 The Kundalini is like a rope with many threads. She rises by unfolding her coils piercing every chakra. The width of the Kundalini or the number of threads start diminishing as She ascends if the higher chakras are not open or if the piercing points in the chakras are constricted. If the lower chakras are open the Kundalini rises as a whole, but if the higher chakras are not open then the constriction does allow few threads to pass. So it is very necessary to have at least the lower chakras cleansed. In the western mind the higher chakras are better but as their Mooladhara chakra is in jeopardy, the force is very weak and their own sensitivity very poor.When the Kundalini rises without any hurdles, it reaches the Agnya and spreads on the lower brain plate like a cloud, so heaviness or sleepy feeling crawls. I say that first the mother puts you to sleep. The second feeling is when the vital force of Kundalini melts down over the Ida and Pingala. As if the cloud of the vital force starts pouring bliss. Gradually the head feels as if the lead is being taken off. One feels relaxed. Now again these two channels carry it down up to Nabhi and now a new force from Kundalini joins it. …Then the triple force rises which opens the Agnya. At this time eyes get closed. The pupils start dilating. Now the head gets clearer but some feel a mild pressure or throbbing at Sahasrara. The Agnya crossing creates the thoughtless awareness. You feel the silence of Sahasrara. At Sahasrara, the Kundalini accumulates. A kind of release starts as the Brahmarandra (fontanelle bone) opens. It works slowly with some, but with most of them it is with a gush. At that moment, the sadhaka (seeker) feels the cool breeze of the vibrations. This is “Realization”. There are many who have got "jagruti" (awakening) and have got the curing power but they cannot remain in thoughtless awareness. They touch it for a minute or so. But the process of Kundalini oozing out works out with time and ultimately they reach a stage of doubtless awareness. With some like X it was a quick permanent ascent, he felt as if two bath of ice fell on his hands and started melting. The cooling crawled into his Being. If the Vishuddhi is doubtful or stretched and constricted, then, one does not feel the vibrations despite Realization, meaning the piercing of the Brahmarandra. The collective consciousness is felt even before the Kundalini pierces the Brahmarandra fully. You start feeling the burning on the fingers and also the discriminating styles of collective consciousness are manifested.

Letter of Shri Mataji, Friday, September 2nd, 1977 The Kundalini is like a rope with many threads. She rises by unfolding her coils piercing every chakra. The width of the Kundalini or the number of threads start diminishing as She ascends if the higher chakras are not open or if the piercing points in the chakras are constricted. If the lower chakras are open the Kundalini rises as a whole, but if the higher chakras are not open then the constriction does allow few threads to pass. So it is very necessary to have at least the lower chakras cleansed. In the western mind the higher chakras are better but as their Mooladhara chakra is in jeopardy, the force is very weak and their own sensitivity very poor.When the Kundalini rises without any hurdles, it reaches the Agnya and spreads on the lower brain plate like a cloud, so heaviness or sleepy feeling crawls. I say that first the mother puts you to sleep. The second feeling is when the vital force of Kundalini melts down over the Ida and Pingala. As if the cloud of the vital force starts pouring bliss. Gradually the head feels as if the lead is being taken off. One feels relaxed. Now again these two channels carry it down up to Nabhi and now a new force from Kundalini joins it. …Then the triple force rises which opens the Agnya. At this time eyes get closed. The pupils start dilating. Now the head gets clearer but some feel a mild pressure or throbbing at Sahasrara. The Agnya crossing creates the thoughtless awareness. You feel the silence of Sahasrara. At Sahasrara, the Kundalini accumulates. A kind of release starts as the Brahmarandra (fontanelle bone) opens. It works slowly with some, but with most of them it is with a gush. At that moment, the sadhaka (seeker) feels the cool breeze of the vibrations. This is “Realization”. There are many who have got "jagruti" (awakening) and have got the curing power but they cannot remain in thoughtless awareness. They touch it for a minute or so. But the process of Kundalini oozing out works out with time and ultimately they reach a stage of doubtless awareness. With some like X it was a quick permanent ascent, he felt as if two bath of ice fell on his hands and started melting. The cooling crawled into his Being. If the Vishuddhi is doubtful or stretched and constricted, then, one does not feel the vibrations despite Realization, meaning the piercing of the Brahmarandra. The collective consciousness is felt even before the Kundalini pierces the Brahmarandra fully. You start feeling the burning on the fingers and also the discriminating styles of collective consciousness are manifested.

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Letter, 56 Ashley Gardens, London (GB), 9 September 1977 My dear son Anil,I got your letter and was overjoyed to read that you have taken Sahaja Yoga to Abu Dhabi. Yes, the answer to the question that you asked is that the real name of Sahaja Yoga is "Antar yoga" (? yoga which transforms you from within). In this Yoga instant transformation of human beings takes place and only with the transformation this (yoga) starts benefiting. And only then the yogi can progress. The life of a human being is based on the foundation of dharma. If someone tells us to build a strong/solid house on a muddy foundation then what can we call such a person. As you can understand, this is common sense. The advantage of Sahaja yoga is - howsoever is the foundation even after the house is built, the foundation can be rectified. The only thing required is the will to do it. Sahaja yoga is very powerful and at the same time equally loving.That is why by using or practicing it we only will get benefitted and not it (Sahaja Yoga). I had sent a letter for Nikkoo but possibly he wouldn't have got it since Pramila had left her house (? shifted from her house). I had sent it on her address. I hope that the amount your Mother (SHRIMATAJI) loves you and respects you, you will also estimate (? value) yourself accordingly.I keep busy that is why the reply to your letter is delayed. [Posted by: Anil Sharma]

Letter, 56 Ashley Gardens, London (GB), 9 September 1977 My dear son Anil,I got your letter and was overjoyed to read that you have taken Sahaja Yoga to Abu Dhabi. Yes, the answer to the question that you asked is that the real name of Sahaja Yoga is "Antar yoga" (? yoga which transforms you from within). In this Yoga instant transformation of human beings takes place and only with the transformation this (yoga) starts benefiting. And only then the yogi can progress. The life of a human being is based on the foundation of dharma. If someone tells us to build a strong/solid house on a muddy foundation then what can we call such a person. As you can understand, this is common sense. The advantage of Sahaja yoga is - howsoever is the foundation even after the house is built, the foundation can be rectified. The only thing required is the will to do it. Sahaja yoga is very powerful and at the same time equally loving.That is why by using or practicing it we only will get benefitted and not it (Sahaja Yoga). I had sent a letter for Nikkoo but possibly he wouldn't have got it since Pramila had left her house (? shifted from her house). I had sent it on her address. I hope that the amount your Mother (SHRIMATAJI) loves you and respects you, you will also estimate (? value) yourself accordingly.I keep busy that is why the reply to your letter is delayed. [Posted by: Anil Sharma]

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I laugh aloud at the idea of writing a book! God saves the reader! Great news for all the sahaja yogis. The first public lecture is on the 24th of this month at Caxton Hall. We have advertised and have invited many people. Let us see how it fares. The way you plunged into dangers, you have really hurt yourself too much. The other sahaja yogis in London are also of the same type. I have to work very hard I know. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

I laugh aloud at the idea of writing a book! God saves the reader! Great news for all the sahaja yogis. The first public lecture is on the 24th of this month at Caxton Hall. We have advertised and have invited many people. Let us see how it fares. The way you plunged into dangers, you have really hurt yourself too much. The other sahaja yogis in London are also of the same type. I have to work very hard I know. http://www.sakshi.org/River/kathman.htm

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26th October 1977 Workshop with new people after first Caxton Hall meeting, Finchley Ashram Shri Mataji: Have they become beast or worst than the beast, even beast don’t do like that. I could not imagine this is worst than prostitution I mean a horrid, it is hell, what else is the hell. No family is safe, nobody is safe, no place is safe, on top of that why do you need Rajnish to teach you all this. He is nowhere compared to many other people who are here. He doesn’t know all the tricks of the trick as you people know, some of you. In Paris, you will be surprised, I have never told you this I don’t think if I have told you or not. Seeker: Paris is a dirty place. Shri Mataji: It is hell personified. I don’t know… I don’t know what they are going to become, a word to call them dogs and bitches, animals and bulls in a state that’s lunatic, that’s how they are terrible and all of them becoming impotent there, all kinds of diseases and horrid people, very bad vibrations in Paris. There is nothing beautiful, there is no pure relationship. Now, supposing you come to my house, you stay with me, and you carry on with my daughters. Now they are married, you spoil their lives, you carry with them, it’s like one train shunting another. All the Paris they are shunting everyone. How can the children be looked after, how can anybody be looked after, you see there are certain rules and regulations made for the society to exist in a proper manner. You must have a wife, you must have a husband, you must love each other, despite whatever is the problem and then you must have children, you must love your children and teach them. That’s how our society is going to move about. Not like this what you call them anarchic people. This is anarchy… This is an anarchic society. There is no system at all left. Our house owner, we went to him just to take that house on rent. Firstly, he tells us I am already separated I looked at him and said it’s very sad to hear of you, in my presence he was feeling even worse, he is a very shameless fellow, he’s already been separated he could see in my eyes and in my language he could see that I am very disappointed. We don’t say it like that. It’s not a very great thing to be separated or anything. Why should I say like that, I mean to that "I hate" itself, is the dirtiest word in the language. How can you say that I mean it’s a fun thing to say I hate you. I don’t know its something funny, is it? Only dirty people can hate, I mean it’s not a good thing to say I hate you, but it’s very common. As if I hate you means as if you are something an angel and the other is something very bad. All these small small things have come up, never we used to say Rajnish people never used to say I felt it. Now what went bad here is they never talk like that they were sensible people, now foolishly they have started talking like this I hate you I will kill you these are the worst. Never say, this is worst than abusing someone. I mean you never say like that to anyone, you are crossing all the limits of decency and decorum. Pathetic, I mean it’s satanic. Its only devils must be saying these things and children, pick it up and they say, "I hate you". How can you? Even an animal doesn’t say that. It will bark but it won’t say that. I mean you do it and you say it shamelessly, so shameless! You know, by saying "I hate you", you think you are very great. This is the worst part of the whole joke. "I hate him or I hate her", that stinking filth. What are you, are you stagnated being, what are you? You should be like a flower, fragrant, beautiful, this fragrance. Anybody who sees you should feel the fragrance coming and you should enjoy the fragrance of others. That’s what you are made to be, isn’t it? And what are we doing here? This is what it is. That is what love is. That’s what the face you are. I mean just relax but you think of sanity and bring sanity, you young people can do it bring some sanity, your elder people are fanatics they have other ideas they are materialistic. You have given that and you are understanding life better now, but then you have taken to another filth from one to another from one hell to another hell. This is equally condemnable the way you are changing your conduct with others. How can you do it I don’t understand no human beings can do it everybody has become polyandrous animals or polygamous animals. How many animals have polygamous or polyandrous, it’s very difficult to become… even at the peak of the stage there is not any polyandry or polygamy. Seeker: Mother Muslims have four wives. Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Muslims have wives, is it? There is a point sanity part to it. At that time when Mohammed Sahab was there, a foreigner group has invaded a big group, they called it a plan or whatever you may call, and this one was hit all the times and many men were killed because they use to go on wars and people use to attack them. It was a different style of spreading the religion because at that time they couldn’t even exist, even Mohammed Sahab was poisoned. Many a time he was attacked, so they had to defend themselves and many men were killed, but very few men were left and many women were there. So Mohammed Sahab said under such circumstances one man can marry four women because he can accept that he can satisfy them, but there are so many rules and regulations with that marriage. Apart from that, it should be a marriage, it has to be a marriage, because of the abnormal conditions of those days, they had to be like that. That’s not so today’s condition where men and women have to be like that. So the women are marrying women and men are marrying men(Laughing). All silly people will laugh. How are you? Seeker: Very better. Shri Mataji: Very good. So all done? Corrected? Finished? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: You must have taken it from someone. Seeker: Yes I think so. Shri Mataji: You do, sometimes you meet people there and you must have got it. Clear everything? (Name unclear) Is everything cleared out? Alright? You were controlling the avadhuta on top of this and I was smiling that this was the arrangement done by my tactful son. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Seeker: Yes as soon as I had he said, “Come we are going to the welcoming.” (Laughing) Shri Mataji: He is very attentive. He was managing the whole place, you see very urgent it was. How are you? Come along. Shri Mataji: Take all this William. Come along. Now, whose is this one? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: He himself was telling me the other day one of the gurus what they did. He is a religious man so he could immediately see what is wrong.. What I don’t understand when they go to hell, or whatever you may have, but they spoil your kundalini that’s the trick I don’t like. If they spoil your Kundalini, how am I going to give you realization, how am I going to achieve for which you have been searching for years together for ages together for lives together and now if they spoil your kundalini what am I to do. His kundalini is spoilt poor Charlie he’s an innocent person and awakened person. His kundalini was spoilt by his Kuguru. This is a very simple thing ready for you, it’s already awakened for those of you are searching all here has become arrangement. Alex, you are great as your name is you are great, and now you have to take it further. As they say, a life is not enlightened to put under the bed but on top of it, I would say even more than that, it has to be a torch which has to walk in front enlightening others because we know what is the condition today. Everywhere, if you are a real Englishmen if you really love your country then you have to save it. Otherwise, this is the fall, this is the fall and this is coming up it’s precariously close. You have to save all the young. Drugs have started like that, all sorts of things have started in this country, nothing is left off. 1965 was not that bad when I have first come, but just imagine what is the situation. Seeker: Shri Mataji do know the name Shiv Puri Baba? Do you know Shiv Puri Baba? Shri Mataji: I have heard about him. Seeker: How is he? S Shri Mataji: I don’t say… you find out…I don’t feel to tell a lie. Can you feel Nabhi on the left catch in your hand? Nabhi on the left, the basics itself is a flaw, none of them are. There are some great saints in India no doubt I would say Gaganghad Maharaj is one of them. There is one at Pondicherry, I haven’t seen Pondicherry but he knows about me. He was telling to people that She has come. I met three people in Haridwar. I don’t know if you have gone there, they came down from the Himalayas very old people, they knew I was there. They came and told me we first of all go and hang up there Mother, we will come later to earth, that’s all. We will come later. They are all waiting. I don’t know when will they come. I said I am going to put a pickle out of you. What are you going to do? Even Gaganghad Maharaj they know very well he was very nice of course I mean he was very great and he’s John-The Baptist. He told people about me and he gives the water most of the time, tying them all sorts of things because they are like there they sit in dark away from the people who have no sense and then he told me that why are you giving them realization to every dick, tom and harry, what have they done, we have worked for hours together, we have worked for years together, we have worked for ages together, who are they, why are you giving them realization. I got these vibrations after twenty-one thousand years he says, because I was a frog since then I have been taking God’s name and then I got it and these people just like that you are giving them such fantastic thing. Why don’t you ask them, he said how many of them are going to give life for you. I said I don’t want them to give life. So I couldn’t laugh. I told him you people you see trying to show your chivalry and greatness and later you thought you have done it, you cannot do it. It was the grace of God which did it, that time also when you got your realization. Of course, you cleansed yourself fast you did everything, it would be something like walking from here you can get it, but if I can make cars I can give you cars or I can take you with me where ever you say, but you people tried to walk down alright you did it, so many of you fell down, you should have waited but you wanted to show your chivalry and greatness, but there are many who just remembered God and got it. There was no need for you to show all this chivalry and your greatness, in your innocence you could do it. So people like Nanaka, Kabira, all these got just like that. Of course, he said, “Mother you are great you are boundless I don’t know whatever it is but he said after twelve years I will come back.”, what is it. He is the one who has written that you have seen the Patrick. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Did you get the booklet? No. Seekers discussing among themselves which is unclear. Shri Mataji: You have got Patrick also? I hope you haven’t lost it. Gaganghad Maharaj you know they are very cruel you know very hard-hearted, I will never send anybody to them. There was one man he told me if somebody troubles you then you send him over to me. So I told him, you go and see Maharaj he has called you, you see. So I sent him. You have got it with you? Seeker: Yes Shri Mataji. Seeker: [I have always felt very strange. I won’t do it in Rome. After the time I am going more & more to this guru - Unclear ] Shri Mataji: Yurin you have to look after him, he’s your style, he has been everywhere and he has suffered a lot. So, you have to look after him. Alright. Come here in front & put your hands here, come on your knees, come on your knees put your both the hands open. I feel sorry for him because he’s an amazing person, he spoiled. That day did you see gradually your sensitivity will improve and it will improve you. So its better see, come, you too now its better be cool, so it’s better now. Did you see do you feel any cool breeze? Seeker: Mother I don’t know. Shri Mataji: Just start seeing that then you will understand. Come along you come and have you please see them. Just put your hands like this and just see. Do you feel any cool breeze? First, you put hands towards me that’s better. Seeker: Right hand Shri Mataji: What? Feeling anything? Seeker: Right hand. Shri Mataji: Right hand only not in the Left. This is because of the Sufi business, on the left, you are lost, you see our left side is that. You can feel. Now see it’s coming. See? You cannot do Sufism, you have to be, you see the difference between the two, you have to be, you can’t do it, you cannot achieve it, it has to be. You cannot say. For example, a dog cannot become a human being, you can say like that, something. It’s okay it’s better. Between the two hands, you will find this is more light than this hand, even apparently you can see with your eyes. This is more light than this hand and when my hand will be moving what it will do more light to this hand, see, through me, see lighter will be your hand, see. (Laughing) See so many things are amazing, even to reveal that as such as so is amazing and we take it for granted, you see this is something we have never seen that’s why. Its nothing so great, nothing so great, it exists, it is there. Don’t you feel we have come to know its better on left is it? So what’s there? See that. Do you see that light? Seeker: [Unclear] It’s certainly lighter than that. Shri Mataji: You see that light. (Laughing) Little imbalance in you it is also sure and you put your left towards me and right hand outside, so you see it’s like an I was telling you its like tremense see left hand towards me, and right hand outside, so the flow goes like this to left and it passes out of the right into the elements. Seeker: What is the difference between left & right hand? Shri Mataji: very much different. [Unclear] Seeker: If you are writing with left hand then left & if writing with right, right Shri Mataji: No , just put this one like this. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: See and open. You can feel here. If you see breathing here, you can feel it. Can you see it? Little breathing here. See your movement. Can you? There is some movement is here. You can see it clearly. For realized souls, it’s not that magnified. Put your both hands on the floor, putting your hands it is worked out. Gradually you will start feeling as these people are feeling. I feel you have started feeling, see it’s here. Right hand? Seeker: Strong vibration Shri Mataji: What you call vibration is this opposition you see, for that kundalini, is coming and hitting it hard because there is that opposition here Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Here you see here the problem in the left-hand side is peculiar or something like that. Seeker: Shri Mataji right side? Shri Mataji: Right side is the liver. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: But actually you see heat may not be in the organ itself but it may be in the center. Now the swadishthana chakra is responsible for thinking, planning. Things start from there, it gives all the ideas to the brain, it transforms the fat of the stomach into the cells of the brain. This is nowhere in the medicine you will find this, but you see from where does these cells come in, you know we are using it every time. So from where does, it come? It comes from the stomach. The transformation is done by the swadishthana chakra. So when you plan and think and all that, that is the one which supplies. Seeker: Swadishthana. Which one is the Swadishthana?. Shri Mataji: Aortic plexus this yellow one, you can see it in the hands. The one which goes around the Void. It has got a stem, it can move around like this in the radius or it can even become small like this, sometimes here there so it looks after that part, and it is responsible for transforming fat cells of the stomach into the grey cells in the brain. So, when you think too much or work too much or plan too much is through Swadishthana chakra or creativity also. And a creative person, if there is an artist, you see you will find his Swadishthana will be spoilt. Because he is using the powers too much of the creativity, and there is no way of replacement of that power. For example, you are going by car and petrol has been used, so you develop also tension that petrol is used up, and there is no way of filling it up. But supposing by some method you become one with that power, then there is no ignition trouble, it is flowing all the time, it’s something like that. Now there is a deity sitting on that, on the Swadishthana chakra, and this deity has once, has incarnated on this earth, once and he came as Hazrat Ali, he is the deity. Now, these Muslims do not know, they are fighting like fools against Hazrat Ali. Now, you take Hazrat Ali’s name immediately Swadishthana chakra will be started, its vibrations flowing and even just talking about him. And the deity’s name is Brahmadeva, he is the one which is the creative side or creator side of God, aspect of God. Can you imagine Hazrat Ali was such a great deity here now as the Nabhi this on the neighborhood which has moved to the navel now, at the navel point you can see that see clearly through the Nabhi, its moving around, you see now can you see it makes the movement like this, It’s very little flow, in some people I will show you when the people will come for realization then I will show you. Now this one is the Nabhi Chakra. At Nabhi Chakra, what is the thing is the deity known as the Laxmi Narayana or we call them as Vishnu and Laxmi. Now these deities are the sustainers, are the ones which creates sustaining power within us, which gives us dharma, the religion of everything like, as I told you about the gold has its own religion that it is untarnishable. Human beings have their religion, animals also like scorpion is a scorpion, lion is a lion, they have a dharma. Dharma doesn’t mean 'religion' doesn’t mean 'outside', going to churches and all. It doesn’t mean that. It means a human being has a sustaining power. For example, the Ten Commandments are here. Ten dharmas in the Nabhi, in the solar plexus now, this is there now in him it is disturbed a little bit and this sustaining power of Vishnu is disturbed. Now if you take his name it will move. Another thing is surrounding it, surrounding this deity, the sustaining deity of Vishnu and Laxmi, is the Void as you see there. This Void is always looked after by another deity as the Primordial Master and he was the same as we had Abraham, Moses, he is the same as we had Mohammed Sahab, and he is the same as Guru Nanak, they are all the same people came back again and again and preach the same thing in a different atmosphere. They are the same people (Laughing), tracking our neck. And they are the Primordial Masters, they are the Adi Gurus. And he has that problem. why? Because still, he has not accepted me as a guru, that’s why you are having this. [Unclear]) He accepts me as a Mother but not as a guru so far. Now, done, All right. You know the reason. (Laughing). Good now. Close your eyes, see the dilatation of the pupil, you can see this. Yours are also dilated. Look how black is it looking you see his eyes (Laughing). (Bell rang at the door) Open the door. So in the Monday lecture, I am going to give you all the details, I am going to tell you the medical terminology, it’s not much but a little bit, how gross they are acting on the different plexuses of things like that, but I don’t think I will be going into the details of it and what are these powers and what are these deities how they have incarnated but on the third day when we are going to have a Monday again then I think I will talk on tantric. The way people have exploited it, and the way it’s all wrong that I will tell the third day. And for the fourth day, I think. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: I am only here for a month do you know that? You didn’t realize that. Seeker: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Yeah, but I will come back, and we will have a program again. This time I am going to America, just telling them how to begin with. It’s absolutely complete you see the knowledge is complete, absolutely integrated, and absolutely comprehensive and because this has not happened it was no use talking about it, it’s something like that it has to happen to you. What’s the use of somebody telling you the vibrations you get this you get that? Come along, now he had a very bad childhood, I could make it out, you see, three chakras on the heart see that right side. Please take out your black, as far as possible don’t use black too much, you know these days, the horrible things settle down onto the black. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: You can feel it, how hot this black is. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: This is the chakra, (Name is unclear), put your hands towards me and bow. Now come along, you all also come along and see the vibrations. Now tell me where do you get the burning? Just sit down and tell me. Now here see here, there only you can feel it, just put attention to him and you will know. You tell me where is it? Which chakra is spoilt? Here feel that. You will be getting tingling or burning on the finger here. Seeker: This one. Shri Mataji: This one, what else, now tell me. Where do you feel now? Seeker: Mother I just felt it here. The rest is unclear. Shri Mataji: That is equilibrium. (The door opens, someone comes in) Hello, Hello! Come along. Hello! Seeker: It’s been late, I am sorry. Shri Mataji: Even I had come late today, sit down. So now just tell me where is it? This center is not settling down, it’s going here and there but its actually here if you see and a little bit here, it’s not settling down, it’s coming up here. You have had psychological problems, quite a lot, see like here. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Yes, very true. You see these are all sympathetic indications of the sympathetic nervous system you see of all the seven chakras as I told you, all these five and this is the sixth and center is the seventh. These are the seven centers actually you can see, and you can feel it yourself when you become a little more sensitive you feel it much better. Now the problem with him is you see he has a psychological problem here in the brain, he has got it here. So, it gets distributed you see, it starts from his heart, because he has had a very bad childhood, father was a bhoot side, I mean father is a drinker side, father side is the right-hand side in the heart and left-hand side here. He has had a very bad childhood. So, this is all here, and this is all been sucked your security, your parents are important because they bring a pure sense of security. His sense of security was very poor, now here this side see the center here in the chakra resides Mother of the Universe or you can call her as Jagadamba Goddess, she resides here. On the right-hand side is the deity, which is the aspect of existence of God Shiva, and on this side is the Rama, Shri Rama is on this side, he is the father. I am sorry he is the father, and the left-hand side is the Shiva, this center is the Jagadama. Now I have taken their names and immediately you find relief has started. Now this is a mantra which you should understand, now what’s the use of saying something. Something is wrong saying it here at Rama’s place, you are taking the name of Krishna, what’s the use? It’s a big science and it changes from one to another. Now from he’s here it may come up here the problem immediately just now make out. At that time if you are saying only this mantra what’s the use if the Kundalini has to move forward. You must know at what gate who is standing, whose name is to be taken and where are you now. You are changing gates every moment, moment here moment this side just now he’s relaxing here. he’s relaxing here, it’s going up there, so this is a very great science and it’s a living science. Mantra is not a dead science so when they tell you something like that, you must know that it is a dead thing that they are calling. As I said you take the name of Rama and some servant must be coming from somewhere, he’s not your servant to attend to you. You have to be realized, you have to enter into the kingdom of God, to be a citizen there so that he attends to you. Otherwise, why should he attend? Everybody you see as the way we are, let’s pray and started. No connection nothing no authority just started like that. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Who is coming now? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Left Agnya is the one which deals with your psyche means the superego if it is from the superego means some sort of possession then Left Agnya that is at the back here but if it is ego then on the right-hand side. But these days you will be surprised that even your ego can be possessed, it also possesses. The ego has gone to such a limit now that it possesses you, sort of it accepts the possession from out you see, so difficult this thing. But on the fingers, you can know whether it is right or left. Now you see if you put this into some living thing, it can catch that possession, something living it catches that possession that’s why you see when Christ put them into the pit, He was hanged. You can’t put them into the pits, but I have started some new vegetarian style thing, why to ditch in the pits, we can get some fruits, or something just pick it up. Have you got a nimbu?(lemon) The shop from here, you can get it there. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Not those fruits, not fruits you see its lime, that has the best coefficience to catch these. Seeker: Lemon. Shri Mataji: Lemon, lemon they are the best thing, they have a special liking also, so they go into the lemon. You take it in the lemon, and put the lemon in the water, they disappear. I have cured so many mad people with this lemon. Seeker: Permanently cure (Laughing). Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Its satan’s play, it’s a child’s play, if you know the job, you see if you know it, it’s a child’s play. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: What they have written? Seeker: [Unclear] ShriShri Mataji: The receptor is the word they called for the deities, you see deities are there it’s very easy to understand but you know we do not think about deities, we just say alright, alright, like that. For example, they will say as in human being and ascetical meaning you see, things which are in parasympathetic and sympathetic. Now they say, the doctors themselves have come and confessed this, that they react in the human beings in a very different fashion. One will augment, one will relax, in one center it will augment in another it will relax, he knows that and what the doctors say that the mode the fraction of these chemicals why they are so merit in a human body we cannot explain, finished. Because there are deities they think. For example, now, anything foreign goes into the body has to be thrown out is a nature that’s how it goes, but when it is a fetus, a baby, then not only that it is kept there but is nurtured, looked after, how it is decided, who decides there in the womb that it is a baby and not to be thrown out, to be accept it, to bereceive it, to be nurtured. We just can through science you can say that this is black, and this is white, but we can’t say how it is black and from where it has come. Science can only do that much whatever you see you can see, but this you cannot see the all-pervading power, unless and until you are realized, you cannot know. But after getting realization you will be amazed you can even see Kundalinis moving above, you can even see those dead souls moving about, now this anybody can see, you see there’s a sunflower because only the sun’s light it considers but the sun is the thing which exposes it. See now, you always feel very much lighter than you had when you have first come. (Laughing). Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: It clears your heart, you see. For you have found the truth they disappear from you. Seeker: Is it from left side or right side? Shri Mataji: For you see, you can be possessed from both the sides, now this is man is a transcendental fellow he does it from the right side, he has another horrible guru, he puts devil in the right side. See actually the people here don’t know any Sanskrit, so you speak what’s bija mantra, you will say Ahaa Ahaa he has given us bija mantra. I mean in India, every dog can do that, there’s nothing special about it. But they have taken full advantage of this. Tell me now, what? You are not going to stick on now. But what I am saying is that they have harmed your kundalini very much, that’s the main part is. They have harmed your inner being too much, and that’s the main thing. This is the first time they have done it; they have never done it that way before, you see. They have never entered into this area. But because of your impatience, the way you full headed had a plunge into it, you see (Laughing). You got this hurt. If you have waited a little bit, it could have worked out alright. Left Nabhi. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Can you feel the heat from his body? So much heat is coming out. Not at the time, you have already been realized about the guru, otherwise, he would have beaten you because they entice you, they entice you, you are absolutely lost into that. You don’t see anything else, it’s very difficult till you reach a certain point of your realization, and you realize that whats going wrong with you. When there is no goodness at all, how can you do, all the darkness is there. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: The first thing, he does is to make you a vegetarian. Seeker: Yeah. Shri Mataji: You see this is the best way of eating people. This day before yesterday I met a Finland girl, one ambassador’s wife, she was terrible, but her daughter went to somebody like that, and he said you should become a vegetarian and this girl became so addicted, that they said she might develop TB. See her. Is she better ?. What’s wrong? What are you doing in your life? Seeker: I am a painter. Shri Mataji: I told you swadishthana chakra, she is catching and swadishthana is she uses for her. She’s an artist. Seeker: [unclear] (Laughing). Shri Mataji: What he said? Seeker: Another joke from me (Laughing) Shri Mataji: It works. Seeker: It’s not cold yet. Shri Mataji: Take Hazrat Ali’s name. Are you better now? and you? Are you? you? Do you say harsh things sometimes? Seeker: Sometimes. Shri Mataji: I know. Your father was harsh to you? Seeker: Yeah Shri Mataji: Better. What was the mantra? Seeker: Shri Rama’s. Shri Mataji: Shri Ram Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Are you feeling better? Where is your first’s father name? Seeker: My real father died in the war & my second father is there Shri Mataji: What was your first father’s name? Seeker: Karl Shri Mataji: Now close your eyes, now tell your father please take your birth. Seeker: Please take my birth. Shri Mataji: Your birth, his own birth, he should take his own birth, means he should be born again and that I will give him realization also. Eyes close, you tell that I am perfectly alright now, don’t you worry about me, say that, close your eyes. Feeling better now? Seeker: (Crying) I felt so much love suddenely. Shri Mataji: Now you will have to know how to take the love so much. Alright? Seeker: Yeah Shri Mataji: You are going to be completely engulfed into it and then you have to give love to others, that’s what it is. Just simple play. You take it and give it. Nothing else is there. Just keep to yourself, all the personalities, just fill it up inside and you will progress. Nothing much is to be done. Seeker: I like it. I would like to do that. Shri Mataji: See how many brothers and sisters you are here, and so many reside in India, and so many in America, all over the world you have so many brothers and sisters and they talk the same language as you do, they are the same people, all very simple people. Shri Mataji: What is it? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Watch my face here, you watch here, all of you should watch because you see your Agnyas are unstable. How are you? Better? Good now.ShriYou are good now. Vibration are feeling? Cool?Better? Seeker: Coming up Shri Mataji: It’s coming in the up? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Now, how are you feeling? Better? Relaxed? His heart chakra is weak. You know actually your parents after the war, became very nervous people, I don’t blame them also. You see the whole thing told upon their nerves very much and they reacted differently. Some became very solemnized, some became very worried about the habitat, some became very aggressive, all sorts of things you see how it affects they became very fanatics all sorts of things happening. So they lost that grip over their children the way they should have been, that love & affection that now lets fix-up. They should have built up their children with affection and that’s how the children felt this insecurity very much. On top of that, you felt that they were very mediocre people and have to seek their love in materialistic. So you gave them up and started searching, and when you started searching you see you lost the route of your securities also because you see without parents having you to get out, you know every minute you have to fight for your life, and that became too much because after all, you are a human being. Even an animal needs its parents, so what about human beings? And the whole thing toppled out in this, that’s why wars are horrid as they brought lots of problems, the way they brought you up, that’s why you people became so insecure, so nervous and all the values of life are completely disturbed. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: What happened with your father? Better now, you are better now. What is your name? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: From England? Seeker: No Germany Shri Mataji: From Germany? East or west? Seeker: No, west. Shri Mataji: We have been to the East very recently. Seeker: yeah. Do they allow you to come there? Shri Mataji: No, because of my husband’s job, we went down. Very bad still I would say they are not free people yet. Seeker: much better (Laughing) Shri Mataji: Started feeling vibrations? Seeker: Yeah Shri Mataji: Very much better. How are you feeling now? Are you feeling better? How are you? Still there? But now you are separated from yourself because you can see yourself this is happening, it is coming here, this is catching and you don’t feel bad about yourself, you see. Seeker: [unclear] (Laughing) Shri Mataji: (Laughing) It was changing places, is it? Seeker: Yeah. Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Where do you live in? Seeker: Says. There is homosexual going on ?[Unclear] Shri Mataji: He has brought in your house? Seeker: No no. I really don’t know. [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Alright. You give him a Bandhan like this, I will teach you how to give, that will be alright, your place also can be done right, if you see there’s something it will be alright. This is also homosexualism, this is all non-sense you know. I mean these people tunk once and I mean its all absurd things going on they are trying to you know, completely brainless. Now there’s a big sale going on Clothes for the punks. I feel by changing the clothes what are you going to gain. (Laughing) So superficial it is you see. It is made in the factory, sold by these people and I think some of these things are done by also business people just to sort of create a new craze because the machine is all the time you see, vomiting lot of material and it has to be put on someone somehow so they create punks of their deteriorated junk, I don’t know what they are creating (Laughing) at such a big rate they are exhausting the mother earth for nothing at all, there’s no need, you see, to do all that. What’s the need to do all that? Seeker: I tis in the dream factory. Shri Mataji: Dream Factory? What is a dream? It’s a very very bad dream, imagine people will come. Absolutely devilish. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better now? His kundalini passed from the Right Agnya. With your fingers the kundalini rises, you can feel it yourself when it’s rising. With your fingers you can rise it, you can tie it up. How are you now? Seeker: Sneezes Shri Mataji: This is needed. Now see, better? Started, see? And you never feel bored with this, you go on with this, you never feel bored at all, no more boredom, nice now, you are alright, give her a bandhan. You are still in the Nabhi, you see the Nabhi Chakra below because of your Right Heart, you just take out [ unclear]. His kundalini has risen up to a point, but the complete force has not come, because in the Nabhi you can see it still pulsating, you can see pulsation. You can feel it? Seeker: Yeah I mean I can feel my Nabhi.. Shri Mataji: Now you put your left hand on the Nabhi and right hand towards me, Are you better now? Seeker: [unclear.] Shri Mataji: I heard about it very bad vibrations of what call is the runners, he used to run for miles together and he did hath yoga, hath yoga. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Sufi, so he did Sufi. So two things put together(Laughing) Seeker: Says something which is unclear. (Laughing) Shri Mataji: Really? It’s all washed out now, doesn’t matter, don’t you worry. You don’t have to tell me. There is no confession needed. So another thing which they were doing confession.must be black mailing system. (laughing) Seeker: [Unclear] Shri. Shri Mataji: Terrible they are, still they are on this psychology set, they have a set psychology, we had one lady from there she was so bad that she became a real problem in India, they said Mataji from where did you get this crack please send her to there,(Laughing), very bad, she knew that what was here name (Name unclear)? Seeker: Mary Shri Mataji: Mary (Laughing). Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: She was a nice lady, but her husband was murdered by then, so it happened, she got completely lost. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Better now? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: You have got throat trouble also? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Throat? Seeker: No Shri Mataji: Then if you don’t have throat trouble then he may have Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: No no it just indicates, you are an instrument you see, if it is not yours then it is his. Seeker: quite strong. Shri Mataji: Better? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Are you married? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Give it a bandhan, very bad because I asked you,” Are you married?” Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better now? Seeker: She is not clearing out. Shri Mataji: She didn’t clear it out? I felt very bad. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Simultaneously, you see its working, you become one body and one feeling, you see its universal. Even if children who are actually born realized, they will say the same, even if you close their eyes they will say the same. My four grandchildren are realized souls all of them, my daughters are not realized souls and the youngest one is a little girl she was hardly six months and she used to raise the kundalini. She was one years of age then she used to come and see me, and she would bring something that I use to wear or something that I put on. Early in the morning, my two other granddaughters, they were hardly five or six months old, get up in the morning first come and just start looking at my face, absolutely desperate all the time, for half and hour they would be there looking at my face and anybody got hurt or anyone they use to just come on my feet, that time, anything happened they will first come, it’s like that they are so much and they know about kundalini already. Like this kevin he’s so young he knows everything about it, he’s born like that. Seeker: Interesting. Shri Mataji: So many children are born with this(Name unclear). So many realized children are born these days, so many of them and they are very religious, they observe each and everything. Seeker: Are they realized in last life? Shri Mataji: Yeah, they were born realized, yes yes, that’s true they were realized in last lives, that’s how they are here. This Kevin recognized me, I mean in no time. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: [Unclear] ShriShriShri Mataji: Take the name of (Name unclear) (Laughing), they are Avadhutas. They also work relentlessly I have seen, they work relentlessly I should say and they understand religion so clearly, so clearly. This younger one of younger daughter of mine, we went to a place she was listening to people playing instruments and taking the name of God, she said I must tell you something about the people of this place, they are very foolish. I said “Why?” She explains, you see they are all the time troubling God, taking the name of God, morning till evening they are saying “Hare Rama Hare Rama Hare Rama” now God has gone away from their long time back, now I am also going to run away from here, it’s too much. Why don’t they understand (Laughing) I told you about what she said about Lama also, she said why are you sitting like this, by sitting like this are you going to become God. Seeker: Oh Yeah Yeah in other lecture. Shri Mataji: and my daughter didn’t know what to do, she said why don’t you say it like that, otherwise she’s a very humble child, he’s a simple person why are you touching his feet, he’s not a realized soul. All of them they were possessed, so she went and brought the broom from there, she was showing the broom to that person, so then they will run away. You know broom is a very good way, in a realized soul’s house if there is a broom, it has those vibrations, so with those in the broom, these demons run away. So she was showing there that broom so that if the devil is anywhere he will run away. (Laughing) That’s such expert. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: I didn’t see it all but Aradhana told me, she said Nani you going to get lot of dry in India, so you get rid of it with oil, I said, “How?” She said,” very easy take some oil, vibrate it and put it in the sea, so it will get oil and really they did it and they did it. After that they found it dissolves. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: [Unclear]You better? Feeling alright now? Seeker: Says something is unclear. Shri Mataji: Mataji’s children are more than sufficient, that’s most important is upbringing children the right way, the human being is the most important of all the living beings. Nothing is important, only the human beings who are free, who are free & righteous. You are highest of all and who are seeking God is the highest of all and they are to be respected and they are to be worshipped, rest of it is can’t make out anything. How is it? Are you alright? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Are you alright? Better? You have, (Laughing), still have. Seeker:. My back Seekers discussing among themselves which is unclear. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] You are feeling sleepy right now? Is it? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Where? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Where inside? ShriSeeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better? Better now? Seeker: Hmmm Shri Mataji: Now, from where did you get the pain? When you lie down. From your Agnya? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Did you hear that? Shri Mataji: Now see for yourself, now improved? you better?ShriYou deserve much more. Alright? You have to come again and again. Seeker: Thank you very much. Shri Mataji: And just respect yourself that’s the main point, love yourself. I will be here tomorrow, tomorrow, and Sunday I will be definitely here, tomorrow also. Seeker: Shri Mataji tomorrow you might be here or (Says something which is unclear)? Shri Mataji: I will be here. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: What? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Alright. May God bless him. Put your right hand on your heart. When did you go to that side? What did you do? Seeker: [Unclear] I went to India. Shri Mataji: You can become nirvikalp in no time, you have already got some Sahaja yogis that are in Nirvikalp, you see nirvichar is thoughtless awareness that you have got already. You get that thoughtless awareness now you want to see what you love to do you can see, after some time you become thoughtless whenever you want when you get nirvikalp means there is no vikalp, which is no doubt, doubtless awareness. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Then you jump into doubtless awareness, that’s very easy it’s nothing when you steady yourself you become doubtlessly aware. These big names you see they just try to impress you. Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: What? Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: Not at all. Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: No I think it is of course all these are negativities that attack, as they say, all those things are on the left-hand side all these bhootish things and then all the spirits, which have been. Seeker: unclear. I t was just a skin rash but it was not affecting. Shri Mataji: It has meaning, you see this is the center heart chakra, this is the thing, you know when you work with spirits they do not link, they hurt you there, and you won’t believe we have one of the Sahaja yogis in India had such a black thing. He had such a black entering here. Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: It was so black and all these things are on this left-hand side, all these spirits, you shouldn’t bother about them, in no time, they all run away, you all live in the conscious mind at the present moment here at this point, you are not supposed to bother about these dead, let them be. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: That’s why you see, that’s why I feel so bad, that’s why I feel so horrid, you think of a mother who knows they are her children she has to give realization and in between somebody has come and put a clause, how she will give and has ruined them. You see it’s like a tiger coming from somewhere and attacking on my own tree and destroying it, something like that. Despite your seeking only you are done, that makes me feel even worse. It’s not a mistake of yours, I would say. It is bad to ruin you like that. I hope some of you recover. It’s very bad. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: Yeah alright, let them be. (Laughing). You see in this prosecution they are prospering that. They are doing that, you are not. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: In terms of money? Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: See you can see that one, you can put that one. Your hands become black. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: (Laughing) That’s the truth is that so much of black is inside his body you see. What? With my attention, I wish I can work you know (Laughing), working on it because I was holding in my hand. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: This is good for you. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: This suits you. Feeling in the head. Now how can you feel this bliss unless you realize, that’s the point I was saying that you must work on it,your name you said Jesus, isn’t it? Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: This is meditation, this is progressing, this is your power manifesting, when you will start curing others and when you will start giving them peace when you will start giving them tranquility, and you will start raising their kundalini, then you will know that you have your own powers, otherwise how will you know, you have to work it out. Better? How are you? Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: Let them come Seeker: unclear. Is it something meditation we need to do at home Shri Mataji: No, no, you are in meditation only. You are rather thoughtless. Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: You see on my photograph you can do. Seeker: I tried it yesterday. But it is like printed? Is that alright if it is printed? Shri Mataji: Alright, that photograph is very powerful. You are very fortunate that the photograph has such vibrations. It’s a very great thing, so you can distribute photographs. You can keep it in a proper place because there are deities sitting around and some of them are always there. Seeker: Yeah I know Seeker: unclear. Left & right Shri Mataji: What? Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: You can try. Seekers discussing something among themselves which is unclear. Shri Mataji: It will go away with don’t you worry you see gradually it will go away. We have tried all kinds of tricks, and it did go away. Now you see some of the things stick around they go away and come along, but you don’t worry about it, you will be alright when you don’t think about it. Better now? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Don’t feel like that. Better now? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Your father lives in France? Seeker: [unclear.] Shri Mataji: Watch it. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better? See because of him, he’s doing something on and on, so its a very big attack coming and to remove it you have work it out that fast, but if you could just forget him for some time then it will work out in no time. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Most of you are born saints, born saints and that’s why you are attacked always. Saints are always attacked, that’s why you are attacked and the attack will come directly through these sadhus and gurus who are talking of God and religion only, you see. So I don’t blame you for that, such is the trick they use. They use all the methods that Gods are using, prayer, bhajan, everything they started, everything, hymns, prayers, everything they started but behind that is satanic, now .For example, I saw one dirty magazine, that was filled with all satanic forces, so I told Gavin we are going to use that magazine, so I put it there and it worked. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Shri Mataji: It didn’t come up well, such small words they have written nobody could have read it, they wrote it like that. Seeker: [Unclear] We cannot understand. Shri Shri Mataji: Photograph? The photograph was also not very clear.

26th October 1977 Workshop with new people after first Caxton Hall meeting, Finchley Ashram Shri Mataji: Have they become beast or worst than the beast, even beast don’t do like that. I could not imagine this is worst than prostitution I mean a horrid, it is hell, what else is the hell. No family is safe, nobody is safe, no place is safe, on top of that why do you need Rajnish to teach you all this. He is nowhere compared to many other people who are here. He doesn’t know all the tricks of the trick as you people know, some of you. In Paris, you will be surprised, I have never told you this I don’t think if I have told you or not. Seeker: Paris is a dirty place. Shri Mataji: It is hell personified. I don’t know… I don’t know what they are going to become, a word to call them dogs and bitches, animals and bulls in a state that’s lunatic, that’s how they are terrible and all of them becoming impotent there, all kinds of diseases and horrid people, very bad vibrations in Paris. There is nothing beautiful, there is no pure relationship. Now, supposing you come to my house, you stay with me, and you carry on with my daughters. Now they are married, you spoil their lives, you carry with them, it’s like one train shunting another. All the Paris they are shunting everyone. How can the children be looked after, how can anybody be looked after, you see there are certain rules and regulations made for the society to exist in a proper manner. You must have a wife, you must have a husband, you must love each other, despite whatever is the problem and then you must have children, you must love your children and teach them. That’s how our society is going to move about. Not like this what you call them anarchic people. This is anarchy… This is an anarchic society. There is no system at all left. Our house owner, we went to him just to take that house on rent. Firstly, he tells us I am already separated I looked at him and said it’s very sad to hear of you, in my presence he was feeling even worse, he is a very shameless fellow, he’s already been separated he could see in my eyes and in my language he could see that I am very disappointed. We don’t say it like that. It’s not a very great thing to be separated or anything. Why should I say like that, I mean to that "I hate" itself, is the dirtiest word in the language. How can you say that I mean it’s a fun thing to say I hate you. I don’t know its something funny, is it? Only dirty people can hate, I mean it’s not a good thing to say I hate you, but it’s very common. As if I hate you means as if you are something an angel and the other is something very bad. All these small small things have come up, never we used to say Rajnish people never used to say I felt it. Now what went bad here is they never talk like that they were sensible people, now foolishly they have started talking like this I hate you I will kill you these are the worst. Never say, this is worst than abusing someone. I mean you never say like that to anyone, you are crossing all the limits of decency and decorum. Pathetic, I mean it’s satanic. Its only devils must be saying these things and children, pick it up and they say, "I hate you". How can you? Even an animal doesn’t say that. It will bark but it won’t say that. I mean you do it and you say it shamelessly, so shameless! You know, by saying "I hate you", you think you are very great. This is the worst part of the whole joke. "I hate him or I hate her", that stinking filth. What are you, are you stagnated being, what are you? You should be like a flower, fragrant, beautiful, this fragrance. Anybody who sees you should feel the fragrance coming and you should enjoy the fragrance of others. That’s what you are made to be, isn’t it? And what are we doing here? This is what it is. That is what love is. That’s what the face you are. I mean just relax but you think of sanity and bring sanity, you young people can do it bring some sanity, your elder people are fanatics they have other ideas they are materialistic. You have given that and you are understanding life better now, but then you have taken to another filth from one to another from one hell to another hell. This is equally condemnable the way you are changing your conduct with others. How can you do it I don’t understand no human beings can do it everybody has become polyandrous animals or polygamous animals. How many animals have polygamous or polyandrous, it’s very difficult to become… even at the peak of the stage there is not any polyandry or polygamy. Seeker: Mother Muslims have four wives. Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Muslims have wives, is it? There is a point sanity part to it. At that time when Mohammed Sahab was there, a foreigner group has invaded a big group, they called it a plan or whatever you may call, and this one was hit all the times and many men were killed because they use to go on wars and people use to attack them. It was a different style of spreading the religion because at that time they couldn’t even exist, even Mohammed Sahab was poisoned. Many a time he was attacked, so they had to defend themselves and many men were killed, but very few men were left and many women were there. So Mohammed Sahab said under such circumstances one man can marry four women because he can accept that he can satisfy them, but there are so many rules and regulations with that marriage. Apart from that, it should be a marriage, it has to be a marriage, because of the abnormal conditions of those days, they had to be like that. That’s not so today’s condition where men and women have to be like that. So the women are marrying women and men are marrying men(Laughing). All silly people will laugh. How are you? Seeker: Very better. Shri Mataji: Very good. So all done? Corrected? Finished? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: You must have taken it from someone. Seeker: Yes I think so. Shri Mataji: You do, sometimes you meet people there and you must have got it. Clear everything? (Name unclear) Is everything cleared out? Alright? You were controlling the avadhuta on top of this and I was smiling that this was the arrangement done by my tactful son. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Seeker: Yes as soon as I had he said, “Come we are going to the welcoming.” (Laughing) Shri Mataji: He is very attentive. He was managing the whole place, you see very urgent it was. How are you? Come along. Shri Mataji: Take all this William. Come along. Now, whose is this one? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: He himself was telling me the other day one of the gurus what they did. He is a religious man so he could immediately see what is wrong.. What I don’t understand when they go to hell, or whatever you may have, but they spoil your kundalini that’s the trick I don’t like. If they spoil your Kundalini, how am I going to give you realization, how am I going to achieve for which you have been searching for years together for ages together for lives together and now if they spoil your kundalini what am I to do. His kundalini is spoilt poor Charlie he’s an innocent person and awakened person. His kundalini was spoilt by his Kuguru. This is a very simple thing ready for you, it’s already awakened for those of you are searching all here has become arrangement. Alex, you are great as your name is you are great, and now you have to take it further. As they say, a life is not enlightened to put under the bed but on top of it, I would say even more than that, it has to be a torch which has to walk in front enlightening others because we know what is the condition today. Everywhere, if you are a real Englishmen if you really love your country then you have to save it. Otherwise, this is the fall, this is the fall and this is coming up it’s precariously close. You have to save all the young. Drugs have started like that, all sorts of things have started in this country, nothing is left off. 1965 was not that bad when I have first come, but just imagine what is the situation. Seeker: Shri Mataji do know the name Shiv Puri Baba? Do you know Shiv Puri Baba? Shri Mataji: I have heard about him. Seeker: How is he? S Shri Mataji: I don’t say… you find out…I don’t feel to tell a lie. Can you feel Nabhi on the left catch in your hand? Nabhi on the left, the basics itself is a flaw, none of them are. There are some great saints in India no doubt I would say Gaganghad Maharaj is one of them. There is one at Pondicherry, I haven’t seen Pondicherry but he knows about me. He was telling to people that She has come. I met three people in Haridwar. I don’t know if you have gone there, they came down from the Himalayas very old people, they knew I was there. They came and told me we first of all go and hang up there Mother, we will come later to earth, that’s all. We will come later. They are all waiting. I don’t know when will they come. I said I am going to put a pickle out of you. What are you going to do? Even Gaganghad Maharaj they know very well he was very nice of course I mean he was very great and he’s John-The Baptist. He told people about me and he gives the water most of the time, tying them all sorts of things because they are like there they sit in dark away from the people who have no sense and then he told me that why are you giving them realization to every dick, tom and harry, what have they done, we have worked for hours together, we have worked for years together, we have worked for ages together, who are they, why are you giving them realization. I got these vibrations after twenty-one thousand years he says, because I was a frog since then I have been taking God’s name and then I got it and these people just like that you are giving them such fantastic thing. Why don’t you ask them, he said how many of them are going to give life for you. I said I don’t want them to give life. So I couldn’t laugh. I told him you people you see trying to show your chivalry and greatness and later you thought you have done it, you cannot do it. It was the grace of God which did it, that time also when you got your realization. Of course, you cleansed yourself fast you did everything, it would be something like walking from here you can get it, but if I can make cars I can give you cars or I can take you with me where ever you say, but you people tried to walk down alright you did it, so many of you fell down, you should have waited but you wanted to show your chivalry and greatness, but there are many who just remembered God and got it. There was no need for you to show all this chivalry and your greatness, in your innocence you could do it. So people like Nanaka, Kabira, all these got just like that. Of course, he said, “Mother you are great you are boundless I don’t know whatever it is but he said after twelve years I will come back.”, what is it. He is the one who has written that you have seen the Patrick. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Did you get the booklet? No. Seekers discussing among themselves which is unclear. Shri Mataji: You have got Patrick also? I hope you haven’t lost it. Gaganghad Maharaj you know they are very cruel you know very hard-hearted, I will never send anybody to them. There was one man he told me if somebody troubles you then you send him over to me. So I told him, you go and see Maharaj he has called you, you see. So I sent him. You have got it with you? Seeker: Yes Shri Mataji. Seeker: [I have always felt very strange. I won’t do it in Rome. After the time I am going more & more to this guru - Unclear ] Shri Mataji: Yurin you have to look after him, he’s your style, he has been everywhere and he has suffered a lot. So, you have to look after him. Alright. Come here in front & put your hands here, come on your knees, come on your knees put your both the hands open. I feel sorry for him because he’s an amazing person, he spoiled. That day did you see gradually your sensitivity will improve and it will improve you. So its better see, come, you too now its better be cool, so it’s better now. Did you see do you feel any cool breeze? Seeker: Mother I don’t know. Shri Mataji: Just start seeing that then you will understand. Come along you come and have you please see them. Just put your hands like this and just see. Do you feel any cool breeze? First, you put hands towards me that’s better. Seeker: Right hand Shri Mataji: What? Feeling anything? Seeker: Right hand. Shri Mataji: Right hand only not in the Left. This is because of the Sufi business, on the left, you are lost, you see our left side is that. You can feel. Now see it’s coming. See? You cannot do Sufism, you have to be, you see the difference between the two, you have to be, you can’t do it, you cannot achieve it, it has to be. You cannot say. For example, a dog cannot become a human being, you can say like that, something. It’s okay it’s better. Between the two hands, you will find this is more light than this hand, even apparently you can see with your eyes. This is more light than this hand and when my hand will be moving what it will do more light to this hand, see, through me, see lighter will be your hand, see. (Laughing) See so many things are amazing, even to reveal that as such as so is amazing and we take it for granted, you see this is something we have never seen that’s why. Its nothing so great, nothing so great, it exists, it is there. Don’t you feel we have come to know its better on left is it? So what’s there? See that. Do you see that light? Seeker: [Unclear] It’s certainly lighter than that. Shri Mataji: You see that light. (Laughing) Little imbalance in you it is also sure and you put your left towards me and right hand outside, so you see it’s like an I was telling you its like tremense see left hand towards me, and right hand outside, so the flow goes like this to left and it passes out of the right into the elements. Seeker: What is the difference between left & right hand? Shri Mataji: very much different. [Unclear] Seeker: If you are writing with left hand then left & if writing with right, right Shri Mataji: No , just put this one like this. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: See and open. You can feel here. If you see breathing here, you can feel it. Can you see it? Little breathing here. See your movement. Can you? There is some movement is here. You can see it clearly. For realized souls, it’s not that magnified. Put your both hands on the floor, putting your hands it is worked out. Gradually you will start feeling as these people are feeling. I feel you have started feeling, see it’s here. Right hand? Seeker: Strong vibration Shri Mataji: What you call vibration is this opposition you see, for that kundalini, is coming and hitting it hard because there is that opposition here Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Here you see here the problem in the left-hand side is peculiar or something like that. Seeker: Shri Mataji right side? Shri Mataji: Right side is the liver. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: But actually you see heat may not be in the organ itself but it may be in the center. Now the swadishthana chakra is responsible for thinking, planning. Things start from there, it gives all the ideas to the brain, it transforms the fat of the stomach into the cells of the brain. This is nowhere in the medicine you will find this, but you see from where does these cells come in, you know we are using it every time. So from where does, it come? It comes from the stomach. The transformation is done by the swadishthana chakra. So when you plan and think and all that, that is the one which supplies. Seeker: Swadishthana. Which one is the Swadishthana?. Shri Mataji: Aortic plexus this yellow one, you can see it in the hands. The one which goes around the Void. It has got a stem, it can move around like this in the radius or it can even become small like this, sometimes here there so it looks after that part, and it is responsible for transforming fat cells of the stomach into the grey cells in the brain. So, when you think too much or work too much or plan too much is through Swadishthana chakra or creativity also. And a creative person, if there is an artist, you see you will find his Swadishthana will be spoilt. Because he is using the powers too much of the creativity, and there is no way of replacement of that power. For example, you are going by car and petrol has been used, so you develop also tension that petrol is used up, and there is no way of filling it up. But supposing by some method you become one with that power, then there is no ignition trouble, it is flowing all the time, it’s something like that. Now there is a deity sitting on that, on the Swadishthana chakra, and this deity has once, has incarnated on this earth, once and he came as Hazrat Ali, he is the deity. Now, these Muslims do not know, they are fighting like fools against Hazrat Ali. Now, you take Hazrat Ali’s name immediately Swadishthana chakra will be started, its vibrations flowing and even just talking about him. And the deity’s name is Brahmadeva, he is the one which is the creative side or creator side of God, aspect of God. Can you imagine Hazrat Ali was such a great deity here now as the Nabhi this on the neighborhood which has moved to the navel now, at the navel point you can see that see clearly through the Nabhi, its moving around, you see now can you see it makes the movement like this, It’s very little flow, in some people I will show you when the people will come for realization then I will show you. Now this one is the Nabhi Chakra. At Nabhi Chakra, what is the thing is the deity known as the Laxmi Narayana or we call them as Vishnu and Laxmi. Now these deities are the sustainers, are the ones which creates sustaining power within us, which gives us dharma, the religion of everything like, as I told you about the gold has its own religion that it is untarnishable. Human beings have their religion, animals also like scorpion is a scorpion, lion is a lion, they have a dharma. Dharma doesn’t mean 'religion' doesn’t mean 'outside', going to churches and all. It doesn’t mean that. It means a human being has a sustaining power. For example, the Ten Commandments are here. Ten dharmas in the Nabhi, in the solar plexus now, this is there now in him it is disturbed a little bit and this sustaining power of Vishnu is disturbed. Now if you take his name it will move. Another thing is surrounding it, surrounding this deity, the sustaining deity of Vishnu and Laxmi, is the Void as you see there. This Void is always looked after by another deity as the Primordial Master and he was the same as we had Abraham, Moses, he is the same as we had Mohammed Sahab, and he is the same as Guru Nanak, they are all the same people came back again and again and preach the same thing in a different atmosphere. They are the same people (Laughing), tracking our neck. And they are the Primordial Masters, they are the Adi Gurus. And he has that problem. why? Because still, he has not accepted me as a guru, that’s why you are having this. [Unclear]) He accepts me as a Mother but not as a guru so far. Now, done, All right. You know the reason. (Laughing). Good now. Close your eyes, see the dilatation of the pupil, you can see this. Yours are also dilated. Look how black is it looking you see his eyes (Laughing). (Bell rang at the door) Open the door. So in the Monday lecture, I am going to give you all the details, I am going to tell you the medical terminology, it’s not much but a little bit, how gross they are acting on the different plexuses of things like that, but I don’t think I will be going into the details of it and what are these powers and what are these deities how they have incarnated but on the third day when we are going to have a Monday again then I think I will talk on tantric. The way people have exploited it, and the way it’s all wrong that I will tell the third day. And for the fourth day, I think. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: I am only here for a month do you know that? You didn’t realize that. Seeker: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Yeah, but I will come back, and we will have a program again. This time I am going to America, just telling them how to begin with. It’s absolutely complete you see the knowledge is complete, absolutely integrated, and absolutely comprehensive and because this has not happened it was no use talking about it, it’s something like that it has to happen to you. What’s the use of somebody telling you the vibrations you get this you get that? Come along, now he had a very bad childhood, I could make it out, you see, three chakras on the heart see that right side. Please take out your black, as far as possible don’t use black too much, you know these days, the horrible things settle down onto the black. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: You can feel it, how hot this black is. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: This is the chakra, (Name is unclear), put your hands towards me and bow. Now come along, you all also come along and see the vibrations. Now tell me where do you get the burning? Just sit down and tell me. Now here see here, there only you can feel it, just put attention to him and you will know. You tell me where is it? Which chakra is spoilt? Here feel that. You will be getting tingling or burning on the finger here. Seeker: This one. Shri Mataji: This one, what else, now tell me. Where do you feel now? Seeker: Mother I just felt it here. The rest is unclear. Shri Mataji: That is equilibrium. (The door opens, someone comes in) Hello, Hello! Come along. Hello! Seeker: It’s been late, I am sorry. Shri Mataji: Even I had come late today, sit down. So now just tell me where is it? This center is not settling down, it’s going here and there but its actually here if you see and a little bit here, it’s not settling down, it’s coming up here. You have had psychological problems, quite a lot, see like here. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Yes, very true. You see these are all sympathetic indications of the sympathetic nervous system you see of all the seven chakras as I told you, all these five and this is the sixth and center is the seventh. These are the seven centers actually you can see, and you can feel it yourself when you become a little more sensitive you feel it much better. Now the problem with him is you see he has a psychological problem here in the brain, he has got it here. So, it gets distributed you see, it starts from his heart, because he has had a very bad childhood, father was a bhoot side, I mean father is a drinker side, father side is the right-hand side in the heart and left-hand side here. He has had a very bad childhood. So, this is all here, and this is all been sucked your security, your parents are important because they bring a pure sense of security. His sense of security was very poor, now here this side see the center here in the chakra resides Mother of the Universe or you can call her as Jagadamba Goddess, she resides here. On the right-hand side is the deity, which is the aspect of existence of God Shiva, and on this side is the Rama, Shri Rama is on this side, he is the father. I am sorry he is the father, and the left-hand side is the Shiva, this center is the Jagadama. Now I have taken their names and immediately you find relief has started. Now this is a mantra which you should understand, now what’s the use of saying something. Something is wrong saying it here at Rama’s place, you are taking the name of Krishna, what’s the use? It’s a big science and it changes from one to another. Now from he’s here it may come up here the problem immediately just now make out. At that time if you are saying only this mantra what’s the use if the Kundalini has to move forward. You must know at what gate who is standing, whose name is to be taken and where are you now. You are changing gates every moment, moment here moment this side just now he’s relaxing here. he’s relaxing here, it’s going up there, so this is a very great science and it’s a living science. Mantra is not a dead science so when they tell you something like that, you must know that it is a dead thing that they are calling. As I said you take the name of Rama and some servant must be coming from somewhere, he’s not your servant to attend to you. You have to be realized, you have to enter into the kingdom of God, to be a citizen there so that he attends to you. Otherwise, why should he attend? Everybody you see as the way we are, let’s pray and started. No connection nothing no authority just started like that. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Who is coming now? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Left Agnya is the one which deals with your psyche means the superego if it is from the superego means some sort of possession then Left Agnya that is at the back here but if it is ego then on the right-hand side. But these days you will be surprised that even your ego can be possessed, it also possesses. The ego has gone to such a limit now that it possesses you, sort of it accepts the possession from out you see, so difficult this thing. But on the fingers, you can know whether it is right or left. Now you see if you put this into some living thing, it can catch that possession, something living it catches that possession that’s why you see when Christ put them into the pit, He was hanged. You can’t put them into the pits, but I have started some new vegetarian style thing, why to ditch in the pits, we can get some fruits, or something just pick it up. Have you got a nimbu?(lemon) The shop from here, you can get it there. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Not those fruits, not fruits you see its lime, that has the best coefficience to catch these. Seeker: Lemon. Shri Mataji: Lemon, lemon they are the best thing, they have a special liking also, so they go into the lemon. You take it in the lemon, and put the lemon in the water, they disappear. I have cured so many mad people with this lemon. Seeker: Permanently cure (Laughing). Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Its satan’s play, it’s a child’s play, if you know the job, you see if you know it, it’s a child’s play. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: What they have written? Seeker: [Unclear] ShriShri Mataji: The receptor is the word they called for the deities, you see deities are there it’s very easy to understand but you know we do not think about deities, we just say alright, alright, like that. For example, they will say as in human being and ascetical meaning you see, things which are in parasympathetic and sympathetic. Now they say, the doctors themselves have come and confessed this, that they react in the human beings in a very different fashion. One will augment, one will relax, in one center it will augment in another it will relax, he knows that and what the doctors say that the mode the fraction of these chemicals why they are so merit in a human body we cannot explain, finished. Because there are deities they think. For example, now, anything foreign goes into the body has to be thrown out is a nature that’s how it goes, but when it is a fetus, a baby, then not only that it is kept there but is nurtured, looked after, how it is decided, who decides there in the womb that it is a baby and not to be thrown out, to be accept it, to bereceive it, to be nurtured. We just can through science you can say that this is black, and this is white, but we can’t say how it is black and from where it has come. Science can only do that much whatever you see you can see, but this you cannot see the all-pervading power, unless and until you are realized, you cannot know. But after getting realization you will be amazed you can even see Kundalinis moving above, you can even see those dead souls moving about, now this anybody can see, you see there’s a sunflower because only the sun’s light it considers but the sun is the thing which exposes it. See now, you always feel very much lighter than you had when you have first come. (Laughing). Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: It clears your heart, you see. For you have found the truth they disappear from you. Seeker: Is it from left side or right side? Shri Mataji: For you see, you can be possessed from both the sides, now this is man is a transcendental fellow he does it from the right side, he has another horrible guru, he puts devil in the right side. See actually the people here don’t know any Sanskrit, so you speak what’s bija mantra, you will say Ahaa Ahaa he has given us bija mantra. I mean in India, every dog can do that, there’s nothing special about it. But they have taken full advantage of this. Tell me now, what? You are not going to stick on now. But what I am saying is that they have harmed your kundalini very much, that’s the main part is. They have harmed your inner being too much, and that’s the main thing. This is the first time they have done it; they have never done it that way before, you see. They have never entered into this area. But because of your impatience, the way you full headed had a plunge into it, you see (Laughing). You got this hurt. If you have waited a little bit, it could have worked out alright. Left Nabhi. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Can you feel the heat from his body? So much heat is coming out. Not at the time, you have already been realized about the guru, otherwise, he would have beaten you because they entice you, they entice you, you are absolutely lost into that. You don’t see anything else, it’s very difficult till you reach a certain point of your realization, and you realize that whats going wrong with you. When there is no goodness at all, how can you do, all the darkness is there. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: The first thing, he does is to make you a vegetarian. Seeker: Yeah. Shri Mataji: You see this is the best way of eating people. This day before yesterday I met a Finland girl, one ambassador’s wife, she was terrible, but her daughter went to somebody like that, and he said you should become a vegetarian and this girl became so addicted, that they said she might develop TB. See her. Is she better ?. What’s wrong? What are you doing in your life? Seeker: I am a painter. Shri Mataji: I told you swadishthana chakra, she is catching and swadishthana is she uses for her. She’s an artist. Seeker: [unclear] (Laughing). Shri Mataji: What he said? Seeker: Another joke from me (Laughing) Shri Mataji: It works. Seeker: It’s not cold yet. Shri Mataji: Take Hazrat Ali’s name. Are you better now? and you? Are you? you? Do you say harsh things sometimes? Seeker: Sometimes. Shri Mataji: I know. Your father was harsh to you? Seeker: Yeah Shri Mataji: Better. What was the mantra? Seeker: Shri Rama’s. Shri Mataji: Shri Ram Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Are you feeling better? Where is your first’s father name? Seeker: My real father died in the war & my second father is there Shri Mataji: What was your first father’s name? Seeker: Karl Shri Mataji: Now close your eyes, now tell your father please take your birth. Seeker: Please take my birth. Shri Mataji: Your birth, his own birth, he should take his own birth, means he should be born again and that I will give him realization also. Eyes close, you tell that I am perfectly alright now, don’t you worry about me, say that, close your eyes. Feeling better now? Seeker: (Crying) I felt so much love suddenely. Shri Mataji: Now you will have to know how to take the love so much. Alright? Seeker: Yeah Shri Mataji: You are going to be completely engulfed into it and then you have to give love to others, that’s what it is. Just simple play. You take it and give it. Nothing else is there. Just keep to yourself, all the personalities, just fill it up inside and you will progress. Nothing much is to be done. Seeker: I like it. I would like to do that. Shri Mataji: See how many brothers and sisters you are here, and so many reside in India, and so many in America, all over the world you have so many brothers and sisters and they talk the same language as you do, they are the same people, all very simple people. Shri Mataji: What is it? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Watch my face here, you watch here, all of you should watch because you see your Agnyas are unstable. How are you? Better? Good now.ShriYou are good now. Vibration are feeling? Cool?Better? Seeker: Coming up Shri Mataji: It’s coming in the up? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Now, how are you feeling? Better? Relaxed? His heart chakra is weak. You know actually your parents after the war, became very nervous people, I don’t blame them also. You see the whole thing told upon their nerves very much and they reacted differently. Some became very solemnized, some became very worried about the habitat, some became very aggressive, all sorts of things you see how it affects they became very fanatics all sorts of things happening. So they lost that grip over their children the way they should have been, that love & affection that now lets fix-up. They should have built up their children with affection and that’s how the children felt this insecurity very much. On top of that, you felt that they were very mediocre people and have to seek their love in materialistic. So you gave them up and started searching, and when you started searching you see you lost the route of your securities also because you see without parents having you to get out, you know every minute you have to fight for your life, and that became too much because after all, you are a human being. Even an animal needs its parents, so what about human beings? And the whole thing toppled out in this, that’s why wars are horrid as they brought lots of problems, the way they brought you up, that’s why you people became so insecure, so nervous and all the values of life are completely disturbed. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: What happened with your father? Better now, you are better now. What is your name? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: From England? Seeker: No Germany Shri Mataji: From Germany? East or west? Seeker: No, west. Shri Mataji: We have been to the East very recently. Seeker: yeah. Do they allow you to come there? Shri Mataji: No, because of my husband’s job, we went down. Very bad still I would say they are not free people yet. Seeker: much better (Laughing) Shri Mataji: Started feeling vibrations? Seeker: Yeah Shri Mataji: Very much better. How are you feeling now? Are you feeling better? How are you? Still there? But now you are separated from yourself because you can see yourself this is happening, it is coming here, this is catching and you don’t feel bad about yourself, you see. Seeker: [unclear] (Laughing) Shri Mataji: (Laughing) It was changing places, is it? Seeker: Yeah. Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Where do you live in? Seeker: Says. There is homosexual going on ?[Unclear] Shri Mataji: He has brought in your house? Seeker: No no. I really don’t know. [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Alright. You give him a Bandhan like this, I will teach you how to give, that will be alright, your place also can be done right, if you see there’s something it will be alright. This is also homosexualism, this is all non-sense you know. I mean these people tunk once and I mean its all absurd things going on they are trying to you know, completely brainless. Now there’s a big sale going on Clothes for the punks. I feel by changing the clothes what are you going to gain. (Laughing) So superficial it is you see. It is made in the factory, sold by these people and I think some of these things are done by also business people just to sort of create a new craze because the machine is all the time you see, vomiting lot of material and it has to be put on someone somehow so they create punks of their deteriorated junk, I don’t know what they are creating (Laughing) at such a big rate they are exhausting the mother earth for nothing at all, there’s no need, you see, to do all that. What’s the need to do all that? Seeker: I tis in the dream factory. Shri Mataji: Dream Factory? What is a dream? It’s a very very bad dream, imagine people will come. Absolutely devilish. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better now? His kundalini passed from the Right Agnya. With your fingers the kundalini rises, you can feel it yourself when it’s rising. With your fingers you can rise it, you can tie it up. How are you now? Seeker: Sneezes Shri Mataji: This is needed. Now see, better? Started, see? And you never feel bored with this, you go on with this, you never feel bored at all, no more boredom, nice now, you are alright, give her a bandhan. You are still in the Nabhi, you see the Nabhi Chakra below because of your Right Heart, you just take out [ unclear]. His kundalini has risen up to a point, but the complete force has not come, because in the Nabhi you can see it still pulsating, you can see pulsation. You can feel it? Seeker: Yeah I mean I can feel my Nabhi.. Shri Mataji: Now you put your left hand on the Nabhi and right hand towards me, Are you better now? Seeker: [unclear.] Shri Mataji: I heard about it very bad vibrations of what call is the runners, he used to run for miles together and he did hath yoga, hath yoga. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Sufi, so he did Sufi. So two things put together(Laughing) Seeker: Says something which is unclear. (Laughing) Shri Mataji: Really? It’s all washed out now, doesn’t matter, don’t you worry. You don’t have to tell me. There is no confession needed. So another thing which they were doing confession.must be black mailing system. (laughing) Seeker: [Unclear] Shri. Shri Mataji: Terrible they are, still they are on this psychology set, they have a set psychology, we had one lady from there she was so bad that she became a real problem in India, they said Mataji from where did you get this crack please send her to there,(Laughing), very bad, she knew that what was here name (Name unclear)? Seeker: Mary Shri Mataji: Mary (Laughing). Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: She was a nice lady, but her husband was murdered by then, so it happened, she got completely lost. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Better now? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: You have got throat trouble also? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Throat? Seeker: No Shri Mataji: Then if you don’t have throat trouble then he may have Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: No no it just indicates, you are an instrument you see, if it is not yours then it is his. Seeker: quite strong. Shri Mataji: Better? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Are you married? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Give it a bandhan, very bad because I asked you,” Are you married?” Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better now? Seeker: She is not clearing out. Shri Mataji: She didn’t clear it out? I felt very bad. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Simultaneously, you see its working, you become one body and one feeling, you see its universal. Even if children who are actually born realized, they will say the same, even if you close their eyes they will say the same. My four grandchildren are realized souls all of them, my daughters are not realized souls and the youngest one is a little girl she was hardly six months and she used to raise the kundalini. She was one years of age then she used to come and see me, and she would bring something that I use to wear or something that I put on. Early in the morning, my two other granddaughters, they were hardly five or six months old, get up in the morning first come and just start looking at my face, absolutely desperate all the time, for half and hour they would be there looking at my face and anybody got hurt or anyone they use to just come on my feet, that time, anything happened they will first come, it’s like that they are so much and they know about kundalini already. Like this kevin he’s so young he knows everything about it, he’s born like that. Seeker: Interesting. Shri Mataji: So many children are born with this(Name unclear). So many realized children are born these days, so many of them and they are very religious, they observe each and everything. Seeker: Are they realized in last life? Shri Mataji: Yeah, they were born realized, yes yes, that’s true they were realized in last lives, that’s how they are here. This Kevin recognized me, I mean in no time. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: [Unclear] ShriShriShri Mataji: Take the name of (Name unclear) (Laughing), they are Avadhutas. They also work relentlessly I have seen, they work relentlessly I should say and they understand religion so clearly, so clearly. This younger one of younger daughter of mine, we went to a place she was listening to people playing instruments and taking the name of God, she said I must tell you something about the people of this place, they are very foolish. I said “Why?” She explains, you see they are all the time troubling God, taking the name of God, morning till evening they are saying “Hare Rama Hare Rama Hare Rama” now God has gone away from their long time back, now I am also going to run away from here, it’s too much. Why don’t they understand (Laughing) I told you about what she said about Lama also, she said why are you sitting like this, by sitting like this are you going to become God. Seeker: Oh Yeah Yeah in other lecture. Shri Mataji: and my daughter didn’t know what to do, she said why don’t you say it like that, otherwise she’s a very humble child, he’s a simple person why are you touching his feet, he’s not a realized soul. All of them they were possessed, so she went and brought the broom from there, she was showing the broom to that person, so then they will run away. You know broom is a very good way, in a realized soul’s house if there is a broom, it has those vibrations, so with those in the broom, these demons run away. So she was showing there that broom so that if the devil is anywhere he will run away. (Laughing) That’s such expert. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: I didn’t see it all but Aradhana told me, she said Nani you going to get lot of dry in India, so you get rid of it with oil, I said, “How?” She said,” very easy take some oil, vibrate it and put it in the sea, so it will get oil and really they did it and they did it. After that they found it dissolves. Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: [Unclear]You better? Feeling alright now? Seeker: Says something is unclear. Shri Mataji: Mataji’s children are more than sufficient, that’s most important is upbringing children the right way, the human being is the most important of all the living beings. Nothing is important, only the human beings who are free, who are free & righteous. You are highest of all and who are seeking God is the highest of all and they are to be respected and they are to be worshipped, rest of it is can’t make out anything. How is it? Are you alright? Seeker: Says something which is unclear. Shri Mataji: Are you alright? Better? You have, (Laughing), still have. Seeker:. My back Seekers discussing among themselves which is unclear. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] You are feeling sleepy right now? Is it? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Where? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Where inside? ShriSeeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better? Better now? Seeker: Hmmm Shri Mataji: Now, from where did you get the pain? When you lie down. From your Agnya? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Did you hear that? Shri Mataji: Now see for yourself, now improved? you better?ShriYou deserve much more. Alright? You have to come again and again. Seeker: Thank you very much. Shri Mataji: And just respect yourself that’s the main point, love yourself. I will be here tomorrow, tomorrow, and Sunday I will be definitely here, tomorrow also. Seeker: Shri Mataji tomorrow you might be here or (Says something which is unclear)? Shri Mataji: I will be here. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: What? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Alright. May God bless him. Put your right hand on your heart. When did you go to that side? What did you do? Seeker: [Unclear] I went to India. Shri Mataji: You can become nirvikalp in no time, you have already got some Sahaja yogis that are in Nirvikalp, you see nirvichar is thoughtless awareness that you have got already. You get that thoughtless awareness now you want to see what you love to do you can see, after some time you become thoughtless whenever you want when you get nirvikalp means there is no vikalp, which is no doubt, doubtless awareness. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Then you jump into doubtless awareness, that’s very easy it’s nothing when you steady yourself you become doubtlessly aware. These big names you see they just try to impress you. Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: What? Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: Not at all. Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: No I think it is of course all these are negativities that attack, as they say, all those things are on the left-hand side all these bhootish things and then all the spirits, which have been. Seeker: unclear. I t was just a skin rash but it was not affecting. Shri Mataji: It has meaning, you see this is the center heart chakra, this is the thing, you know when you work with spirits they do not link, they hurt you there, and you won’t believe we have one of the Sahaja yogis in India had such a black thing. He had such a black entering here. Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: It was so black and all these things are on this left-hand side, all these spirits, you shouldn’t bother about them, in no time, they all run away, you all live in the conscious mind at the present moment here at this point, you are not supposed to bother about these dead, let them be. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: That’s why you see, that’s why I feel so bad, that’s why I feel so horrid, you think of a mother who knows they are her children she has to give realization and in between somebody has come and put a clause, how she will give and has ruined them. You see it’s like a tiger coming from somewhere and attacking on my own tree and destroying it, something like that. Despite your seeking only you are done, that makes me feel even worse. It’s not a mistake of yours, I would say. It is bad to ruin you like that. I hope some of you recover. It’s very bad. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: Yeah alright, let them be. (Laughing). You see in this prosecution they are prospering that. They are doing that, you are not. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: In terms of money? Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: See you can see that one, you can put that one. Your hands become black. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: (Laughing) That’s the truth is that so much of black is inside his body you see. What? With my attention, I wish I can work you know (Laughing), working on it because I was holding in my hand. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: This is good for you. Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: This suits you. Feeling in the head. Now how can you feel this bliss unless you realize, that’s the point I was saying that you must work on it,your name you said Jesus, isn’t it? Seeker: unclear Shri Mataji: This is meditation, this is progressing, this is your power manifesting, when you will start curing others and when you will start giving them peace when you will start giving them tranquility, and you will start raising their kundalini, then you will know that you have your own powers, otherwise how will you know, you have to work it out. Better? How are you? Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: Let them come Seeker: unclear. Is it something meditation we need to do at home Shri Mataji: No, no, you are in meditation only. You are rather thoughtless. Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: You see on my photograph you can do. Seeker: I tried it yesterday. But it is like printed? Is that alright if it is printed? Shri Mataji: Alright, that photograph is very powerful. You are very fortunate that the photograph has such vibrations. It’s a very great thing, so you can distribute photographs. You can keep it in a proper place because there are deities sitting around and some of them are always there. Seeker: Yeah I know Seeker: unclear. Left & right Shri Mataji: What? Seeker: unclear. Shri Mataji: You can try. Seekers discussing something among themselves which is unclear. Shri Mataji: It will go away with don’t you worry you see gradually it will go away. We have tried all kinds of tricks, and it did go away. Now you see some of the things stick around they go away and come along, but you don’t worry about it, you will be alright when you don’t think about it. Better now? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Don’t feel like that. Better now? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better? Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Your father lives in France? Seeker: [unclear.] Shri Mataji: Watch it. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Better? See because of him, he’s doing something on and on, so its a very big attack coming and to remove it you have work it out that fast, but if you could just forget him for some time then it will work out in no time. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Most of you are born saints, born saints and that’s why you are attacked always. Saints are always attacked, that’s why you are attacked and the attack will come directly through these sadhus and gurus who are talking of God and religion only, you see. So I don’t blame you for that, such is the trick they use. They use all the methods that Gods are using, prayer, bhajan, everything they started, everything, hymns, prayers, everything they started but behind that is satanic, now .For example, I saw one dirty magazine, that was filled with all satanic forces, so I told Gavin we are going to use that magazine, so I put it there and it worked. Seeker: [Unclear] Shri Shri Mataji: It didn’t come up well, such small words they have written nobody could have read it, they wrote it like that. Seeker: [Unclear] We cannot understand. Shri Shri Mataji: Photograph? The photograph was also not very clear.

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Transcription of Workshop with New People, Finchley Ashram 1977-10-27 (o)? (?not clear)... they said, and they are all (evident?) and think that have very much ….we are very strong. Let’s come to you, that [is] what he did. He said: ‘but I have been Intelligent…(not clear) people were very upset by ..(not clear) because I met to , another one, this Krishnamurti. Krishnamurti… he said: you are all condition if you say so don’t you do that it is the condition you should give up, and you must become independent, see for yourself how … do (not clear). Nothing, you will do it on your own, don’t do this . Now, Krishnamurti’s disciples are much more conditioned than anybody else. I haven’t been able to give to even one Realisation one person, of this disciple of Krishnamurti , can you believe it? Not one. Because he says don’t get to this condition … you shouldn’t get conditioned, so they get double conditioned , so he said I can speak like Krishnamurti, this fellow tells Me very interestingly , you will like him . He is young, he is about say 30 years of age already And said: I can speak like him, I can be a better orator than Krishnamurti , I speak just like him and I know all his books by heart, and I can talk to people as: - don’t do this and that, don’t do like that,, and here I am, I’m sick, I am not well, my voice is going down, I don’t know what to do with myself, I’m horrid, is no transformation, I cannot speak (?in the night) So how do you explain? So I told him - then what do you say? He said I now realised, that I was doing Kriya Yoga one side, when I did Kriya Yoga, I was conditioning my one side and when I came to this side I started conditioning the other side. Now what happened? [If] you start doing something extreme, you see, you start moving on the right or the left. Now, for example, you want to become a very good sanyasi, don’t get married don’t look at women,...(not clear) , you just eat two leaves in the morning, two lives in the afternoon all these kind s of a thing then what happen, you start moving on to right-hand side, left is departed you become a dried personality, absolutely imbalanced, you go to the right extreme, you go to that extreme. Sometimes one in a million, you know if a Mother feels - ‘look at this mad men, alright let him have Realisation. , he is going too far’, (not clear)….so She,- one of them might get the Realisation, one of these madmen, one! If there are some love left in them. But they are horrid, very hot-tempered, , they hit you hard, they do all kinds of things. Now, this fellow, he said that Mataji this side I am caught up this way and that side that way, what will You do? I said it’s a hopeless case, though he realises this. He tries, his Kundalini comes up and went down…. It comes up to the Agnya….(unclear). Now, five years he is coming to him , five years! So this is Mr. ?Lainly Baba and this is his disciple’s Yoga. Now you see for yourself. (some Sahaja yogis are talking to Shri Mataji about a lady. Shri Mataji: Ha, she tells Me and asks (about someone?)… She never told them. But she was so bad herself, you know. There are permanent headaches and a heart pain, every sort of thing. . Shri Mataji: (laughing) That’s the best thing. Now, you must get Realization, and you must go near somebody who has been to this Shivpuri Baba…. Terrible. A man is speaking (unclear) Shri Mataji: ….and this lady was shaking before Me while the puja was on. She was at (?first) shaking before Me, so I didn’t ask her who is her guru because if you say anything to a new one against his guru, the discussion (?lasts) … together. I said, let her suffer for a while, let her feel it and then she will leave him. Very difficult, you know!? Nobody likes it. Because they are identified very much with them. And she suffered so much, you don’t know. She had a…bad time, and now she is…… She said - when I put my head on Your feet, I felt two… of ice placed on my head… . Shri Mataji: But what about the one who sang that song? One better than the other, horrible, really, you see, this….. Ratangarh Maharaj I had told you, this Ratangarh Maharaj has written about Me. There were many rajas who know in India that I am there. They tell them about, that She has come, and see Her. . This Ratangarh Maharaj the one who is John the Baptist .. . He was announcing about Me … He is so horrid… He is a Realized-soul, no doubt. But he takes everybody’s task to a great extent, you know. One day he said that - Shri Mataji if somebody troubles You, You must send him over to me, I would like to see him. . One person was very troublesome, really troublesome, I tried all my patience, so, I told him - Why don’t you go and see Maharaja. And Maharaja has called him. He was very elated. O, Maharaja has called me, o!. One has to climb seven miles, you see, to go to seat there. So he climbs. He is remembering Me. Maharaja. [Shri Mataji laughed] He went down. After one month, you know, I saw this man, he came to My program. Very big, he was sitting like that, . Both his legs in his neck and hanging (?)... What happened to this man? I say, why this Maharaja ….. What this Maharaja was done to him? I… what did he do? Asked him, what have you done, why are you sitting like this? You had gone to see Maharaj, I didn’t mean this, I said what have you done? He came and started crying. I said, come to my house and tell me what happened. He came and told Me that he went to see Maharaj, and he was very nice, to begin with. He said yes Mataji has sent you very good, alright, come along, have some food and all that. He lives in a cave on the top of a hill, and he goes about on a tiger, see because his legs have become like this as he stays in [the] water, so they had become more, sort of thing, like (spongy?) So, in the night, the tiger came and threw this fellow inside on a - what you call that? … it’s a … khad(?), into a khad(?), he said, this fellow went down there, you know, and he thought the tiger had done,... but he was imbibed …. Maharaj himself had thrown him there, he said - three days I was lying there, I have to use the bathroom there and everything was there. . He couldn’t move out, bought legs were finished, he couldn’t move out you see? Then, [the] fourth day this, - I mean, look at the cruelty! And he …some this, what you call it, a kind of a bread, chapati, he tied them on a string and laid down on this string… he says from there - “now eat them and think of your Mather and say all the time that I’m not going to trouble You any more, and you eat them. He gave that food, [and] after two days again starvation come…then again a little food came in. See, after 5-6 days, imagine in that condition… everything there… , then he brought him out. Now, he gave him a bath and all that, then he said - “now you put this legs … around your neck and go hanging to your Mother. She is the only one who will pardon you, and will look after you, not me. Now, if you trouble Her anymore, to your neck, I will do it the same way. (Shri Mataji is laughing). See, I am laughing now but, at that time, I really cried . He said: Mother, whatever I have done to You , please forgive me. I have done great mistakes. . You should have corrected me . Why did you send me to Maharaja? I said: you ran away to him like … anything. Now, what should I do? That’s how they are. And he did right and left to all the Sahaja yogis. He sits with a big stick in his hand. …and HAA! - he used to hit like that, they are terrible! There’s another one, Bhootnath baba, he is a, no, no, no…he has another name, that’s the wrong name (Shri Mataji thinks…) some Babaji. He used to live in the Himalayas He came down, and his disciple is already, his disciple is this Jagannath Baba and this Jagannath Baba told one of my disciples, in a place near Bombay, there’s a small little, what you call - a village you can call it, not a village, but it’s a small place near Bombay, where this girl was there (the SY disciple), and he went and told [her] that he knows Mataji “you are Mataji’s disciple, and I must go and see Her”. She said- “How do you know I am Mataji’s disciple and …where is your guru?”. He is sitting in the Himalayas, you see, near to Amarnath, he said Amarnath, and this Baba has told me, that - you go and see Mataji there and….. she said,” Why don’t you came to see Her in Bombay?” He said: no, why don’t you call Her here and if She comes here, and can have a nice program here in our Ashram and ... So, I could not somehow or other, it happened I could not go there you see at Ambarnath, you see, she was there …. I didn’t go. After a year or so when I went there. So, she said that - the other fellow has also arrived, - the Guru has also arrived. And he was waiting for You to come down. So I went, of course, they touched My feet, and all that, he makes Me sit on a …. He makes My Aarti, things like that. So, I said: how are you, how are you keeping? Now, this Jagannath baba (smoking?) before Me, just imagine… and this fellow gave him a … - A, have you no shame? Why are you smoking? (Shri Mataji is laughing)..... He said, “I’m sorry, I’m sorry”. I said: now, how did you remember Me? - I asked this Jagannath Baba , how do you know Me? He said, now my Guru is also here, I must tell You; I have this Agnya Chakra, - imagine, his Agnya chakra was caught up. So this guru told Me that after 12 years Mataji will come to Amarnath d She will clear your Agnya. I am not going to clear it. See now. So I told him why don’t you clear his Agnya, you waited for Me to come and clear his Agnya, why don’t you clear? . He said: I am not a mother to spoil them. I worked for thousands of years and I want him to work. Why should I clear his Agnya? Let him work out. He wants to smoke in Your presence. I will kick him [when] You go away from here….. And he was so frightened. [that] he ran after Me [Shri Mataji is laughing] and I removed his Agnya, so he was cured. He said: Mataji better take me away. He … because I smoke before You. I said: now, when you know I am coming you should not smoke before Me, that’s a simple thing you must learn. He said- I will never smoke all my life…. but, You tell my Guru not to beat me….He was a realised soul; he has an ashram there, but this baba, the one who was … . He came before, -in My presents….. - He says: you are a Mother; you spoil him. I’m not going to spoil him.. And he said: - he kicks me, if my nabhi catches, he kicks on my nabhi, and he said - that’s the way you all are going to be alright. (Shri Mataji laughs). … Because they don’t care about your money or anything, they don’t want any position, and they don’t have the mother's patience and love…..(unclear) . You know, Janaka was my father, and he had a guru , …. twelve thousand years back. When Nachiketa came to see him, he said: you give me the knowledge of Self. Janaka is the same as Mohammed Sahib , and he said that: -no, I can’t give you self-knowledge. You can ask …(unclear). He said alright. Now, He made him sleep in a room where there was a sword hanging on his head, whole night poor man could not sleep. And I said: why did you let him sleep like that? He said: ”Let him try”, If he can sleep like that, then only can go to the second room where I have put a lion there. (everybody laughs) And he has to see the lion the whole night. And then to another room . And that’s how it was to give him knowledge. They tested your courage, they tested - I mean, nobody would listen to you. This Maharaj, you should see this Ratangarh Maharaj, , he throws people down like that, doesn’t listen to anybody. A Sahaja yogini asks Mother:- “ Yes, but how is it possible? When God is love, how can they do things like that to people when they are Realised?”. Shri Mataji: God is love. They do it in love only. They think, they do it in love” Sahaja yogini: It is a very, very cruel love, I would say. Mother says: “ Yes, people need that sometimes. Sahaja yogini “Ya?”. Shri Mataji; “They need it. Sahaja yogini: really? Shri Mataji: Very much . It helps a lot. … one thing is better.You see, if they have given one ……now all these bhoots would have run away. They will go into another who are surrounding you. Ohh! I see. Ya. Shri Mataji: Sometimes, if a little bit, they are ill-treated. That is why Christ had to take a halter on these people. This is needed. so many of them are like that. … these are horrible things, you know. . I mean, there is somebody who is so horrible…. If I do anything to him, he will . I know . Not to him, but to the other fellow who…. but he will trouble him there. So I don’t want to do it. I am doing it slowly. That’s how the entanglement has to be given up. But they have no patience, there is no cruelty in this. Is love. A lady asks:” is it possible that a realized soul can make a mistake?” Shri Mataji -Of course. They do, they are human beings, they are not incarnations. Only incarnations …. They are Realized-soul, that’s all. For example, he doesn’t want to come down. He says, after twelve years I come. I said: . Am I going to bottle you here? As the people are going to seat down here for twelve years, what am I going to do? He is already 108 years of age. After twelve years what is going [to] come and do here, when I have to do the work? ….they think, they have done work and have achieved a lot. You are made in the pattern of Ganesh, like Him, not like them! They cannot raise your Kundalini the way you can raise. They cannot feel the vibrations the way you can feel. You are in a way higher than them in a way. You will be surprised. I love you. You are the special ones. If I am going to give something special to someone, who are they to stop Me? They are very egoistical also , I think. Gagangarh Maharaj when I was going to see him, it was raining very heavily, and he controls the rain, you see, and the rain was coming, and he …like that, was angered with the rain he was fighting…. When I reached there, he came before Me, just fighting the rain like that. … I was all drenched. He came up. He said, “You have today killed my ego”. I said “How?” He said: That the rain listens to You, not to me. It was raining heavily, you got drenched. He was very angry . He said, “I made a mistake”. I am angry because the rain misbehaved to such a limit that it has drenched my Mother. You see, (everybody laughs). I had to counterbalance his ego. He must be thought that - my power has been challenged. I told him in the most sweet manner…. I said: see , you had bought a saree for Me, isn’t it? And you want to give it to Me, if My saree is not drenched how are you going to give it to Me? There is no excuse, that’s why I got it drenched. He was so surprised and did not what to do. All his anger went away with this, you see? All his anger went away. … He said: - there must be more point in that also. I said: Yes, there is. That when I was coming the rain was falling on Me and the vibrations have f flowing in the Mother Earth. you will have a beautiful scenery here when the water goes inside and vibrated. That’s what it is. What is this rain, after all, it’s My father. If it is falling on Me, what does it matter to Me ? Why should you feel so bad about it? No Mother, I am sorry about it. That’s how they are. . They make mistakes …….. too egotistical. Then they think, why should you get it? Who are you? What have you done? ‘We were standing on our heads for thirty thousand years.’ Why did you stand?… Who asked you? You should not have to. -’We are not married, we have no children, we have given up everything . What is there to give up? Why did you give up? Who told you to eat only two leaves in the morning? I said: - You eat everything. God has created everything for you. Why do you eat two leaves? Who asked you? And then, on top of that you give an obligation on Me, that we live on two lives while these people are married, they are eating everything, and You are giving them Realisation. They are silly, you know. Incarnations… absolutely . … A lady: You mean that…. Shri Mataji: You know yourself, only within yourself they are there…..(unclear) all of them are within you. Shri Mataji works on new people. HA! … Kevin(?). He is one of these avadhutas only, he knows they have no patience. … Terrible! Gets angry very much. He gets after his father… So, it’s better now? How do you feel? New yogi: Sometimes I feel better, You know, then I’m desperate for a while. I mean yesterday … and in the morning again troubles coming in the eyes(?). Shri Mataji: Let it be for some time, doesn’t matter. . … It’s a state of ‘satori’ (sudden enlightenment) they call it. You should never have touched these people. … That sets in. In most of the people sets in, in the west, I have seen - the satori state. Come up here, come up there. As if you see you have jumped from the sea into the boat but still you are feeling that, or you have passed through the traffic, and you are put on the hill. But still, you can feel the traffic. Suddenly you know … you see it’s still like an inertia. It is still working in you. ... satori state. But some people just don’t have it … It goes and comes back, and don’t you worry about the future or the past. Just ... alright?... You see, [the] only thing, - harsh, can not be done (?). Human beings are human beings! Lots of nerves and lots of … and nothing harsh should be done. Thorough cooperation should be done of that kind…. If you know your body or your emotions. Apart from the worst thing in modern times, that people are very egoistical. You see, it is a very ego-oriented society. If you say anything, immediately the ego is touched, if you do anything the ego is touched . So you have to be neutral. Then they will give you super-ego. Because you are guided(?) by these people. . So, they give you ideas. I say something, [and] an idea comes from the other side . I say something, then a doubt comes from the other side, so there is a struggle going on inside. You too. (Shri Mataji is addressing another yogi) - You, too, have that problem? Or not. You don’t have the argument against Me now inside you? Is there an argument going on, something inside? New yogi: Yes, Mother sometimes is like I’m catching in the dark, I feel. Shri Mataji: But you don’t feel it as such a, - you don’t feel it as a big argument against! . New yogi: …. It is not a big argument. Shri Mataji: But that, he is getting an argument in himself. You may get it. Because you probably use your freedom. So they (the negativity) are not going to do it, you see because they don’t want to live you easily. It is not easy. If you play with them. They don’t want to live . They will come to such an extent, it is. There was a gentleman from Bhilathi(?). He was like, he was much more than what you are. He has in spirits and things like that. He was starting vomiting blood and when he wanted to come and see Me, he could not, you see, could not. He got in halfway he got down, he said - I want to go to the bathroom. And he just ran away towards ... All sorts of things…… I have to do . Now he is all right. He is a Sahaja yogi now. But the pressure is too much, he just runs away. They would say “Get Up” and Get Up” . You should prepare yourself. You have to say - get out , then would start seeing lights, alright? …. You have to say, just - get out! Now you’ll see them coming. You should say - get out! You can see them even in the sunlight if you see them as black spots. New yogi: I see white spots. Shri Mataji: white spots… better, white spots are better. But if you see the black spot, if you close your eyes, and see a black spot here, then it’s a spirit. . White spots are good. Good souls. . Still, you don’t bother about them also, alright? If you see a flame that it’s a good, it’s a saint but if you see a white spot, then you should consider it is not a bad thing. But have nothing to do with the dead. But if you see a black spot, so the black spots are the worst type, they are [the] worse type, and they do not leave easily. They are horrid . Talks. Just laugh at them. That’s the best way to laugh at them. Don’t make too much ado of them . is nothing important. Do you know?. Useless things. Just lost souls. First of all, all your psychic powers, it works(?) . Everything will work [out]. In India, we had many… there(?). But in England, I think we(?) have so many of them here sitting at every corner, you find one Christian is sitting there and, in the name of somebody is sitting down here . So many of them are here. It’s shameful, you know. Thus, Christ was the one who denounced them throughout. Here they call themselves as Christians among them, Pentecostals, devils they are! . (a person is saying something about churches) Shri Mataji: Ha? Christian is Church!?, On this ….they start with mm, mm, mm, like that . Now, is this the way God comes into you? … How can God come in mm, mm, mm, like that? In India, all the place ….. . God has no other place to go to? Anything extraordinary happens, you’ll put it to God. It’s wrong! HA! . (Shri Mataji works on somebody). They are all within Me, whatever you have. Don’t you worry, I will put them right , alright! HA! New yogi: … drugs is being the biggest tragedy... Shri Mataji: Drugs, you took drugs or so? New yogi: …LSD ... Shri Mataji: You should not have taken more. Druggets and chemists, Druggets and chemists, if you take to wash off their stomachs , you can start a drug company. (everybody is laughing). You know, when came to Sahaja Yoga first, then I tell, you have to give up drugs, things,... do it, went back, he got into a brain(?) problem. Then he was jaundiced, so much he has done. Then, he didn’t know what to do. So he came to Me. Now, he realises. But even now, I … telling the stomach is to work it out, so may get some drugs for smuggling…… A new yogini asks: “Mataji do you know of Swami Chaitanya Nand Sarawati? Ya?” “No? I didn’t understand You. Shri Mataji: He … zero marks, . There is one incarnation, who is ...? New yogini: Then is not this one. Shri Mataji: Another one is there who is taking out something from the fire, ….diamonds. ….. He is a well-known Rakshasa, you know. Ancient one. Who was born from a buffalo. He didn’t look as a buffalo. His skin is like buffalo’s. New yogi: his face looks awful. His face looks ugly. Ugly faced. Shri Mataji: Very ugly-faced. There is one thing good about all of them, … missing, can make it out… Now, this one, Sai Baba, Satya Sai Baba. Sai Baba, the original one, is Mohammad Sahib Himself… But this horrible fellow, this Satya Sai Baba, you call him Asatya People don’t think, you know. It’s very …. If you think, you can rationalise. All of them you can rationalise. . For example, now, take this Satya Sai Baba, what did he do? He carries this from here to here. Now think [about] what is the interest of God carrying one thing from here to there. Haven’t you got hands to do that? Why should God carry this thing from here to there? Think into diamonds. He will give it to a rich man. If he was such a giver, why doesn’t he do it for the whole of our country, which is …. Why don’t we think about it? And what is the interest of God in giving these stones? If He has to give, He will give something great. . People think he is a God. Absolutely brainless people. Think about all of them!. Those who talk that they are big . You tell Me all of them, I will tell you what they are, one better than [the] other. New yogi: It is in this book, I don’t know if You get time to read it, so much rubbish around this Shivapuri Baba. He talks in a way that seems to be good. Not in a rationalised way. So, seems he talks from experience and talks about svadarna and … and it doesn’t look like that he just read it from one book and put it in another book, You know. No? Shri Mataji: … Now, actually, what is, [is] no good as far as the vibrations are concerned. Alright? That’s the different point. Now, supposing [that] even if you are not Realised, you sit and rationalise everything. Have you imagined?… New yogi: No, It’s a book. That’s…it’s a book. Shri Mataji: It’s a book. Alright, so you are not going to do it … New yogi: no… Shri Mataji: You see, rationalised it like that. Let us do it this way. More practically. You are not going to … It’s a book. Still, it’s not good. They put (?there) Christ also. Do it like that. Alright? Rationalise them! Use your brains. First use your brains, through wisdom, and then you understand. That’s the best. You tell your mind it’s all (?hoedown.) . You see, your mind is like a horse. . If you start in a way that you understand that you are not a separate rider, ... make you jump. If you make him go this side, [it will take you] that side, if you take him this side it will take you that side, . It will never take you to the right path. You will know if you are wise, that you ride the right path. Keep your mind straight and think it over. Is it what God has ….? What is there in that he had written about God?. What is there? What is so special? Nothing! . New yogi: There is it a special, it seems to be a special book. Shri Mataji: But what is it? New yogi: All the other books that I read are rubbish, You know? But this one seems good. Shri Mataji: What I am saying is that all these things are so horrid , that I can’t imagine . It’s so horrid that…. (somebody: talks about the vibrations) New yogi: … the Vibrations are another sort of conditioning . a bit…… Shri Mataji: No, I tell you about it. It is not conditionings, I will tell you, it’s very easy, that also can be rationalised. everything can be rationalised. Now, supposing it is conditioning. You put ten children who are realized … . They will say the same thing, all of them, and if you tally it on the person, supposing they say that this finger is catching. Must be a liver…. Has to be the liver…. if I ask he will say yes, my liver is bad. But when they give you vibrations, your liver is all right. Now, by conditioning, you don’t cure people. And ten children sitting down say the same thing. That’s how you must find it. Then you do it yourself. If by conditioning you can give them sort of, a feeling of thoughtless awareness, collective consciousness. Sitting down there, no. Where is your chakra catching? All of them are saying the same thing. No question. We are not paying for it. If it is conditioning, how can they say the same thing? All right, even supposing they are hypnotised and, sort of sect. But they are curing you, they are raising your Kundalini, you can see with your naked eyes, the rising of the Kundalini. Then, still, you are not going to believe it? This is going too far. And this nonsense whom you have never seen , you are believing so much, and you are talking about him so much. What is this mind you … . The man whom you are not going to meet, you have never known, who is a rubbish, useless fellow, why are you taking his side? Think about it. Rationality. Now see what is the mind. Now you see, clear your mind. You can clearly see, how it is. This is not helping. Is not being sensible. Where is he taking you? To this man. Whom you are not known, you are not met, just.... And what is your connection with him? Nothing. At the most you can say because you are Russian, and this Guru, that may be the reason …. It’s too far. I mean, at the most you can go to the last …..to with you want to say. But I am sitting before you, I am here. I am going to work it out. You have felt the vibrations, … done everything. and, you see these thoughts (?) . Go ahead, settle your mind. Go fast. The more you are going to stand with it, the more you will go backwards …. This is the only difference between a Sahaja yogi who moves fast and a Sahaja yogi who flocks. Because you know you are there. This is what it is. That is what you are finding…. You have to settle down. Gavin has said, he must testing Me ….and all. But certain points he rationalised, that, what is Mother seeking for Her? She doesn’t need anything. She doesn’t want anything, nothing. Now, She is doing all this. He has seen it with naked eyes, the Kundalini rising. He had seen becoming thoughtlessly aware. Now, how can he not believe? New yogi: He has to have a lot of experience. Shri Mataji: Experience! That’s what I am saying. You see, by this thing, you do not become anything! Nothing! You have to become something. The Becoming, you have to believe. And unless and until you believe into becoming these things are going to keep you away because they will make you very superficial. Because they will not make you anything, [the] only thing, what will happen, you will be reading them. You will be doing this, doing that. It is not doing; it is becoming, I am talking about. Is the actualization [of] what I am talking about. The one who can give you actualisation, you go to that. But not to ones who just leads things, he is misleading. You’ll know yourself, you are going on the right path. . . You must ask for the becoming. You become. You have to be that. That’s what it is. It's only talking, talking, talking, talking. Like, I would say that, people have to say the, - people started first talking about the flowers because they wanted you to have the hung …. So they say let’s talk of the flowers. People will start going to the flowers and they will get the hung. So people started talking of flowers, flowers, flowers, morning till evening. So what happened? They talked to everybody, talked of this talked of that all the forms of flowers. Nobody got the hang. Alright. They said, no use of talking about the flowers, let us talk about the leaves. Mohammed Sahib taught, you see, so many of them taught like this. Christ did. Let us talk about the abstract(?) so they started talking. No use. It was talk, talk, talk, because whenever they talk, what happened? People became talking about it. Nobody became that ! Now, you will have to become a being! You get them and you have to become that! Unless and until you become that, nothing is possible. Is a becoming! And these things, you cannot become by reading, how can you become? You need to say because you can reading this, you can … New yogi: Oh! No , I realize that. I realized I get mental indigestion. Shri Mataji: Actually, you are getting mental indigestion, but rationally if you understand, children, for example, do not read. A person who is uneducated cannot read, if he cannot read, then he cannot get caught. If it is an universal phenomena, (Shri Mataji is addressing to some people who are coming) Ah hello. New yogi: That’s my girlfriend. Shri Mataji: … how are you? Sit down. She is very nice. New yogi: Yes. His? Sister is very good too. Shri Mataji: A, excellent! New yogi:……(laugh) Shri Mataji: I know. But it will be alright. I will put you right. Put your hands like this. Alright? . What’s your name? Seeker lady: Mandy. Shri Mataji: Mandy? Mandy, sit with your hands… New yogi: : She comes from a loving family. Her parents love her. Shri Mataji: You must teach him how to love. Ah! I will teach. You see now ….… and too much reading also makes a person non-loving. Because you cannot read about love. The language of love cannot be read. Ha, you want to read? After realisation, not before, I would say [Because] You won’t understand -[read] Kahlil Gibran. … Read something sensible. What’s this? From this side, he looks like a monkey. … How did he die? New yogi: It said he died at …a hundred and thirty-eight, he died, that’s what the book says anyway. Shri Mataji: he died at 138 of age. So, what? There are some people in India who are even …..of that age. Why was he living a life like that?... But you haven’t got this book. This has been got? to you by this horrible … get you all this, otherwise, after some time you cannot even bear them. . We have one Sahaja Yogi, he drowned so much, I mean …he gets tense , so many of them. Just went and throw them off. (Shri Mataji is addressing to someone else). Hm, just see. Are you feeling fine? (laughter) (somebody said): H sister is good too. Shri Mataji: You haven’t got it from anywhere now, so you better come together. [The] thing is as like small, little children I have carrying in a boat and there are all kinds of ….come back, come back….nice there. Rather jump back. (Shri Mataji is laughing) . It’s a mad, mad, mad. HA! Oh! She is good! She is a good girl! Despite these things, she is not caught up. Pull your ears like this and it will go away. Just like this. You see, you should ask Me for forgiveness. …HA! (Shri Mataji is working on somebody). HA! Better now for every one of us? You are filling all lighter? I think a …. have been here. … come now, it’s no end to it. You have to (?grow) in silence …. It’s quite distinctive. More inside. Gradually you’ll find [that] all your doubts will vanish. When you start , using this, all you … as if, when you give to somebody lots of money, and he doubts whether I should …or something else, many start feeling that he realises that is very precious … and when you start spreading it … so try to accumulate more and more …is for your own good, nothing is for Me. . Alright? This one is alright. … Neem Kauri baba, have you heard of him? Neem Kauri baba. …His disciple has come to my program. New yogi: Baba Ramdas ? Shri Mataji: No, no, not Baba Ramdas he is another one. Another … I came to know all of them because of their disciples, otherwise, how would I know? So this lady came to see Me. with another very sensible man, who was… a Sahaja yogi and he told Me; Mataji, I was really … with You, ….(this lady said she is a doctor of a friend of mine and really worried.?) ….and she is going back….I said alright. So I asked her, I said: come along now, let Me see your vibrations. No, actually, first I was giving a lecture, and she was sitting in front row, and she was doing like this. … So I asked this man, you tell Me where did you get her from? And he said such and such place. I said: she is very hotted, what sort of men . She said: no, I went to Neem Karoli Baba, and I am his disciple. Really? … She is such a brainless girl, she said, he gave me his own water. I said: what do you mean that he gave you his own water? She said; the water that he made. . What water does he make? This is urine. She drank the urine! And she was boasting on them! When I told her, she was shaking like …. Second tape Shri Mataji: …. catching on the right. …. No, you cannot. You are a saint! You cannot smoke. You‘ll be in trouble if you smoke You cannot smoke you know? ….She is smoking because of you, I think, also she gets upset. You love him a lot, isn’t it? I also love him, don’t worry. … Is so attached to him. So she feels sorry. … Germans are very (good at vibrations?); Russians are also getting their realization. I have given to so many of them. Because in Russia at least fear is there no doubt lots of fear., But what is this freedom also? Freedom to break your nose, break your eyes, break your ears; this is no freedom. I mean, Russians are of course suppressed very much, but they are innocent people. Here what has happened in freedom, you had become very, (? arrogant) what you call the wounded soldiers. You won’t believe I have been here for four years, and I didn’t have a public program. First, I have ….something else. I didn’t have a public meeting, you see. Only in the first public meeting, I have met them, and they were very happy…. . New yogi:- Mataji she has pains, and she gets rashes on her fingers, it comes after anxiety, worry … Shri Mataji: See, these are blisters, now they are much better, you see off this, you see? This pain just see, … see now, isn’t it too, … really, just see for yourself. She is so pale. New yogi: - Oh yes, she receives some treatment, one treatment, from the (unclear) Shri Mataji- … Better? … She has liver. What happened? (Everybody is talking) Man: - joys… thoughts Shri Mataji:- you should have kept your photograph for them to see. (Sahaja yogis laughing) that would have been really nice, that you should have done at least. (a lot of Sahaja yogis are talking and laughing) Shri Mataji: you must see him, him, I mean, you are thousands [of] times better than what Marie Baap Re Baap(?), Marie was absolutely… she was, god knows where she was. I couldn’t talk to her. When she was talking, I thought she was talking from some well, and I just couldn’t hear her, absolutely, she was dying, you know, dying absolutely dying. … I mean there are much more difficulties, I tried the difficult ones first (Shri Mataji and Sahaja yogis are laughing ) … but it’s a, …. and alcohol you tell them how much you suffered he’s put down at least ten years his is gone down in his image, such an old man this one, ten years can… …him, Justin, but about Douglass. I’ll tell you, Douglass. The one who is here. People who knew him for so many days, they said where is Douglas?. Sahaja yogi: Oh, when, when Maria came here, this young chap in a suit came up and said ma’am can I carry your bag? She said no thanks, I am meeting my friends. Sahaja yogini: I didn’t recognize him! Somebody: whom, whom? Douglas!, I didn’t recognize him, …. Sahaja yogi: He was in his best suit … Sahaja yogini: …his hair… Shri Mataji: Hair, so much of hair. The best is Koolis. You must see him. Ba, ba! Koolis, looks like a, somebody from the jail. But Gus has really surprised my husband because he is so (? kind) Sahaja yogi : He surprised everybody. Sahaja yogini: My sister couldn’t recognize him except the eyes you know, and the.. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see, she couldn’t recognize him, Sahaja yogini: She saw him at the stage and the meeting, and You know, I knew, I knew this fellow but didn’t know from where? Shri Mataji: (working on somebody) It is liver. A woman: Is it possible to have somebody which (who) is not there, which (who) we cannot reach at the moment, a relation? I would like to do... Shri Mataji: Who is that? Women: It’s my sister of my mother, an aunt of mine, which I like, but she is very bad… Shri Mataji: Where is she? Woman: She is now in (?Justinine) in Germany, in the west, but she has to go back. Shri Mataji: What is wrong with her? Woman: She gets very frightened in her mind, and she always thinks that everybody is spying her, or You know, these years, and the east part has She has got very disturbed by living in the eastern part because she was always been afraid, afraid, afraid, and now she is saying, I mean I have the feeling that she has really got certain parts of the brain and slightly, slightly a … disturbed and I really I would like to help her. Shri Mataji: …. Don’t you worry, you can do all … But, just now, you don’t worry. Just now, I want you to be all right. Just now you forget. (All laughing about something) Shri Mataji: Oh! Who is this one? … this is the worst of all I tell you, . Women: Oh! Shri Mataji: Gus. Where is Gus ? Put that one. Someone: O, shame, shame. . Shri Mataji: Who is this guy? Woman: She was one of the clan. She was the most ….dissolute female s, I ever met. She is in a terrible mess . Shri Mataji: …You know, this Christine was in a terrible mess. She was actually going to the lunatic asylum when she came to Me. The yogis are talking….laughing… Shri Mataji: Are you feeling better? Is your sister married or not? …What part of the country you came from? Woman: Australia? … country at East Coast. Shri Mataji: Which part? Woman: near to Queensland border. Shri Mataji: Queensland Border. ….This is where you actually go? All right. … Put a bandhan to yourself, so you don’t transmute your vibrations. Watch Me. Hm! . Relax. Hmm. Do like this. . Lighter? Woman: ya. Shri Mataji: Lighter? Woman: ya, is. Shri Mataji: This is the worst infection, I tell you. This is the worst infection, that of the mind. . Watch Me! . You are alright. But you sometimes go down, isn’t it? …. Put a bandhan to yourself. You have to cover your aura, with your vibrations. … Better? Put a bandhan. Woman: … attention is better. Shri Mataji: Say the mantra of…., put your hands, one hand towards Me, and say the mantra. Hmm, hmm, … silent? Woman: ya Shri Mataji to a man: How are you feeling? Better? How are you feeling? Better. 1:00:00 Shri Mataji to someone: Lots of black is still coming out of your …) Put it back around… New yogi: Today I used these small candles, so I feel a little bit, much clear, You know. Shri Mataji: Better now? Are you better now? New yogi: I don’t need these small candles... Shri Mataji: HA! Now, are you alright? (Shri Mataji is working on the people). Yesterday you got caught from that another boy that Italian. You were alright yesterday, and then again you put your attention to that Italian boy too much. Someone: Alex? Not ... Alex? Hmm. Shri Mataji: He was very bad, poor thing, he is completely infested. He was very innocent but… . You see, he found, his Guru is misbehaving to his/this girlfriend (?beeting) and when he denounced them and they had some sort of, done something to him, I mean…, doubling the trouble. You feel something there? ... Very upset. Everything is going to be alright, alright? Very well. You are alright, now? Hot still? Woman: No, it was cold now it has become warm again. It was very cold breeze, in between Shri Mataji: See, all these things (?happen), a bandhan The woman: I felt a tingling in between just now before two again, In between it was completely all right. Shri Mataji: How is it now? The woman: Now it is better. Shri Mataji: You see, when you want to separate yourself from others, just put a bandhan like this. The woman: Left hand? Shri Mataji: Right hand. Right hand. …you bind yourself. Right hand. Then you test yourself. Like this. (to a Sahaja yogi) Show it, show how to do it Sahaja yogi: You cover all the chakras you see, starting from the left. . The woman: O, from the left? like that? Like that. Sahaja yogi: Yes, yes. Seven times. Shri Mataji: So, you become separate from others. You see, and then you can see for yourself. Woman: vibrations. Shri Mataji: Yes, is just aura. This is your aura, your personal aura, and you are giving it a bandhan. The woman: I think I got from him (the negativity) because I was sitting here. Shri Mataji: You got it from him. A little bit you see a sort of identifying. Now is it all right now? The woman: Yes. . Shri Mataji: (to somebody else) - How are you?... (everybody speaks at the same time). Lost. (the music is playing, and Shri Mataji continuously purifies the new people) Sahaja yogi: (who purifies someone) Agnya. Shri Mataji: Hm? Sahaja yogi: Agnya. Shri Mataji: Agnya… Hm? Both of them? Just see. A, just see now. How …. Just see now! And these gurus never allow you to touch them! you know? If you touch them, they faint. They are, they get short-circuited. HA! Better now? Are you alright? How are you this side? Good? Are you feeling the vibrations? Cool brize? Someone: Yes, Shri Mataji: Are you feeling any cool breeze? Not yet? Did you give bandhan to yourself? Do it seven times. Again, bring it back. Bring back. All right. (Shri Mataji purifies him). Right now? HA! . Better now? A lady asks something. Shri Mataji: You throw away all these things which are not constructive in anyway, they have not constructed you, neither they are constructed anyone. Alright? (after some time) How do you feel? Better?... feeling this finger now?… Put a bandhan. (To a Sahaja yogi) How is she? Sahaja yogi: Left Agnya and Vishuddhi. Somebody else: Not like this one. Shri Mataji: Hmm. (after some time) It is left Agnya... Shri Mataji is working on someone. Music is playing. Hm? How is he? Shri Mataji is still working…HA! Shri Mataji speaks to a Sahaja yogi: ……. Yes, she gets realisation…. HA! .You get …trying like this? He lost. (the lady tells something to Shri Mataji). This is the (?dooing) of subconscious mind. ….and Vishuddhi is better. Still, you are not aware? . Now he is come up through… Agnya, he is crossed. . He’s on Agnya then falls down again. Sahaja yogini works on someone: He is very cool on top. Shri Mataji: … Give him a bandhan. Shri Mataji says mantras: Sakshat… Sakshat… HA! Shri Mataji to a Sahaja yogi: Sahastrar? Waah! … blocked… See what things they are doing. Just see! Remove this book. Put it into something, into paper. Agnya is still not very good. Sahaja yogi: It’s still Agnya. Still, Agnya Something happened … pressure. Shri Mataji: Back? ……. Shri Mataji: … Better now? (?some guru) find out if he has been there. . Let him find out. Let him. Lady speaks something. A man tells something. Shri Mataji: is he alright? Raise your Kundalini. … Come here. All of you raise her Kundalini. … he is better now. Are you feeling better now? Alex? Alex…. Put yourself into bandhan. (everybody laughs) Come along, you too …all of you. Till you feel yourself rising. …. Take it higher. Have you seen something? Have you seen something? Are you feeling nice ? HA! . (Music playing…)HA! How is it? Men: ….pressure. Shri Mataji: Hello! How are you? Doing better? ? Ahaaa! … How are your fingers? Somebody:(?It seems fine). A Sahaja yogi: It seems to have pressure there. Shri Mataji: Kundalini is dying. Raise Her. . (Music playing, Shri Mataji purifies someone) Now, what do you say? Pressure is much less. The woman: keep … up and down. Shri Mataji: Hm? That’s it…You understand that. Keep to the present moment, alright? (?then it will be alright) What is the balance? Sahaja yogi: …very slightly. …. It’s cooler. … Yogis are talking. Shri Mataji: Now see, now see, now see. Is alright. A Sahaja yogini: It’s much better! Shri Mataji: Now, now see. Every moment you can see. Now? Sahaja yogi:...little more, but still…. Shari Mataji: … cooler, Now see. … HA! Slightly, put your hands there. Put your head down there, I am sorry, you have to put it down the head. Yes. Like that. (Music playing….) Now? HA! . Now? - HA! . - HA! Say the mantras, loudly you say. Sahaja yogis reciting mantras. Om Twameva Sakshat, Shri MahaLaxmi, Maha Saraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika, AdiKundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Again. SY: Om Twameva Sakshat, Shri MahaLaxmi, Maha Saraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika, AdiKundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Once more. SY: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri MahaLaxmi, Maha Saraswati , Mahakali, Trigunatmika, AdiKundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Hmm, how are you feeling now? She is feeling absolutely relieved, liberated. Are you feeling all right? Ah! How are you feeling? Good? (Shri Mataji is laughing) HA! HA! Don’t you worry about anything. Alright? I will cut their necks like this . Throw them away. HA! . What is it? Getting Vibrations? Woman: Oh yes…..little. Shri Mataji:...little, very little. HA! 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Transcription of Workshop with New People, Finchley Ashram 1977-10-27 (o)? (?not clear)... they said, and they are all (evident?) and think that have very much ….we are very strong. Let’s come to you, that [is] what he did. He said: ‘but I have been Intelligent…(not clear) people were very upset by ..(not clear) because I met to , another one, this Krishnamurti. Krishnamurti… he said: you are all condition if you say so don’t you do that it is the condition you should give up, and you must become independent, see for yourself how … do (not clear). Nothing, you will do it on your own, don’t do this . Now, Krishnamurti’s disciples are much more conditioned than anybody else. I haven’t been able to give to even one Realisation one person, of this disciple of Krishnamurti , can you believe it? Not one. Because he says don’t get to this condition … you shouldn’t get conditioned, so they get double conditioned , so he said I can speak like Krishnamurti, this fellow tells Me very interestingly , you will like him . He is young, he is about say 30 years of age already And said: I can speak like him, I can be a better orator than Krishnamurti , I speak just like him and I know all his books by heart, and I can talk to people as: - don’t do this and that, don’t do like that,, and here I am, I’m sick, I am not well, my voice is going down, I don’t know what to do with myself, I’m horrid, is no transformation, I cannot speak (?in the night) So how do you explain? So I told him - then what do you say? He said I now realised, that I was doing Kriya Yoga one side, when I did Kriya Yoga, I was conditioning my one side and when I came to this side I started conditioning the other side. Now what happened? [If] you start doing something extreme, you see, you start moving on the right or the left. Now, for example, you want to become a very good sanyasi, don’t get married don’t look at women,...(not clear) , you just eat two leaves in the morning, two lives in the afternoon all these kind s of a thing then what happen, you start moving on to right-hand side, left is departed you become a dried personality, absolutely imbalanced, you go to the right extreme, you go to that extreme. Sometimes one in a million, you know if a Mother feels - ‘look at this mad men, alright let him have Realisation. , he is going too far’, (not clear)….so She,- one of them might get the Realisation, one of these madmen, one! If there are some love left in them. But they are horrid, very hot-tempered, , they hit you hard, they do all kinds of things. Now, this fellow, he said that Mataji this side I am caught up this way and that side that way, what will You do? I said it’s a hopeless case, though he realises this. He tries, his Kundalini comes up and went down…. It comes up to the Agnya….(unclear). Now, five years he is coming to him , five years! So this is Mr. ?Lainly Baba and this is his disciple’s Yoga. Now you see for yourself. (some Sahaja yogis are talking to Shri Mataji about a lady. Shri Mataji: Ha, she tells Me and asks (about someone?)… She never told them. But she was so bad herself, you know. There are permanent headaches and a heart pain, every sort of thing. . Shri Mataji: (laughing) That’s the best thing. Now, you must get Realization, and you must go near somebody who has been to this Shivpuri Baba…. Terrible. A man is speaking (unclear) Shri Mataji: ….and this lady was shaking before Me while the puja was on. She was at (?first) shaking before Me, so I didn’t ask her who is her guru because if you say anything to a new one against his guru, the discussion (?lasts) … together. I said, let her suffer for a while, let her feel it and then she will leave him. Very difficult, you know!? Nobody likes it. Because they are identified very much with them. And she suffered so much, you don’t know. She had a…bad time, and now she is…… She said - when I put my head on Your feet, I felt two… of ice placed on my head… . Shri Mataji: But what about the one who sang that song? One better than the other, horrible, really, you see, this….. Ratangarh Maharaj I had told you, this Ratangarh Maharaj has written about Me. There were many rajas who know in India that I am there. They tell them about, that She has come, and see Her. . This Ratangarh Maharaj the one who is John the Baptist .. . He was announcing about Me … He is so horrid… He is a Realized-soul, no doubt. But he takes everybody’s task to a great extent, you know. One day he said that - Shri Mataji if somebody troubles You, You must send him over to me, I would like to see him. . One person was very troublesome, really troublesome, I tried all my patience, so, I told him - Why don’t you go and see Maharaja. And Maharaja has called him. He was very elated. O, Maharaja has called me, o!. One has to climb seven miles, you see, to go to seat there. So he climbs. He is remembering Me. Maharaja. [Shri Mataji laughed] He went down. After one month, you know, I saw this man, he came to My program. Very big, he was sitting like that, . Both his legs in his neck and hanging (?)... What happened to this man? I say, why this Maharaja ….. What this Maharaja was done to him? I… what did he do? Asked him, what have you done, why are you sitting like this? You had gone to see Maharaj, I didn’t mean this, I said what have you done? He came and started crying. I said, come to my house and tell me what happened. He came and told Me that he went to see Maharaj, and he was very nice, to begin with. He said yes Mataji has sent you very good, alright, come along, have some food and all that. He lives in a cave on the top of a hill, and he goes about on a tiger, see because his legs have become like this as he stays in [the] water, so they had become more, sort of thing, like (spongy?) So, in the night, the tiger came and threw this fellow inside on a - what you call that? … it’s a … khad(?), into a khad(?), he said, this fellow went down there, you know, and he thought the tiger had done,... but he was imbibed …. Maharaj himself had thrown him there, he said - three days I was lying there, I have to use the bathroom there and everything was there. . He couldn’t move out, bought legs were finished, he couldn’t move out you see? Then, [the] fourth day this, - I mean, look at the cruelty! And he …some this, what you call it, a kind of a bread, chapati, he tied them on a string and laid down on this string… he says from there - “now eat them and think of your Mather and say all the time that I’m not going to trouble You any more, and you eat them. He gave that food, [and] after two days again starvation come…then again a little food came in. See, after 5-6 days, imagine in that condition… everything there… , then he brought him out. Now, he gave him a bath and all that, then he said - “now you put this legs … around your neck and go hanging to your Mother. She is the only one who will pardon you, and will look after you, not me. Now, if you trouble Her anymore, to your neck, I will do it the same way. (Shri Mataji is laughing). See, I am laughing now but, at that time, I really cried . He said: Mother, whatever I have done to You , please forgive me. I have done great mistakes. . You should have corrected me . Why did you send me to Maharaja? I said: you ran away to him like … anything. Now, what should I do? That’s how they are. And he did right and left to all the Sahaja yogis. He sits with a big stick in his hand. …and HAA! - he used to hit like that, they are terrible! There’s another one, Bhootnath baba, he is a, no, no, no…he has another name, that’s the wrong name (Shri Mataji thinks…) some Babaji. He used to live in the Himalayas He came down, and his disciple is already, his disciple is this Jagannath Baba and this Jagannath Baba told one of my disciples, in a place near Bombay, there’s a small little, what you call - a village you can call it, not a village, but it’s a small place near Bombay, where this girl was there (the SY disciple), and he went and told [her] that he knows Mataji “you are Mataji’s disciple, and I must go and see Her”. She said- “How do you know I am Mataji’s disciple and …where is your guru?”. He is sitting in the Himalayas, you see, near to Amarnath, he said Amarnath, and this Baba has told me, that - you go and see Mataji there and….. she said,” Why don’t you came to see Her in Bombay?” He said: no, why don’t you call Her here and if She comes here, and can have a nice program here in our Ashram and ... So, I could not somehow or other, it happened I could not go there you see at Ambarnath, you see, she was there …. I didn’t go. After a year or so when I went there. So, she said that - the other fellow has also arrived, - the Guru has also arrived. And he was waiting for You to come down. So I went, of course, they touched My feet, and all that, he makes Me sit on a …. He makes My Aarti, things like that. So, I said: how are you, how are you keeping? Now, this Jagannath baba (smoking?) before Me, just imagine… and this fellow gave him a … - A, have you no shame? Why are you smoking? (Shri Mataji is laughing)..... He said, “I’m sorry, I’m sorry”. I said: now, how did you remember Me? - I asked this Jagannath Baba , how do you know Me? He said, now my Guru is also here, I must tell You; I have this Agnya Chakra, - imagine, his Agnya chakra was caught up. So this guru told Me that after 12 years Mataji will come to Amarnath d She will clear your Agnya. I am not going to clear it. See now. So I told him why don’t you clear his Agnya, you waited for Me to come and clear his Agnya, why don’t you clear? . He said: I am not a mother to spoil them. I worked for thousands of years and I want him to work. Why should I clear his Agnya? Let him work out. He wants to smoke in Your presence. I will kick him [when] You go away from here….. And he was so frightened. [that] he ran after Me [Shri Mataji is laughing] and I removed his Agnya, so he was cured. He said: Mataji better take me away. He … because I smoke before You. I said: now, when you know I am coming you should not smoke before Me, that’s a simple thing you must learn. He said- I will never smoke all my life…. but, You tell my Guru not to beat me….He was a realised soul; he has an ashram there, but this baba, the one who was … . He came before, -in My presents….. - He says: you are a Mother; you spoil him. I’m not going to spoil him.. And he said: - he kicks me, if my nabhi catches, he kicks on my nabhi, and he said - that’s the way you all are going to be alright. (Shri Mataji laughs). … Because they don’t care about your money or anything, they don’t want any position, and they don’t have the mother's patience and love…..(unclear) . You know, Janaka was my father, and he had a guru , …. twelve thousand years back. When Nachiketa came to see him, he said: you give me the knowledge of Self. Janaka is the same as Mohammed Sahib , and he said that: -no, I can’t give you self-knowledge. You can ask …(unclear). He said alright. Now, He made him sleep in a room where there was a sword hanging on his head, whole night poor man could not sleep. And I said: why did you let him sleep like that? He said: ”Let him try”, If he can sleep like that, then only can go to the second room where I have put a lion there. (everybody laughs) And he has to see the lion the whole night. And then to another room . And that’s how it was to give him knowledge. They tested your courage, they tested - I mean, nobody would listen to you. This Maharaj, you should see this Ratangarh Maharaj, , he throws people down like that, doesn’t listen to anybody. A Sahaja yogini asks Mother:- “ Yes, but how is it possible? When God is love, how can they do things like that to people when they are Realised?”. Shri Mataji: God is love. They do it in love only. They think, they do it in love” Sahaja yogini: It is a very, very cruel love, I would say. Mother says: “ Yes, people need that sometimes. Sahaja yogini “Ya?”. Shri Mataji; “They need it. Sahaja yogini: really? Shri Mataji: Very much . It helps a lot. … one thing is better.You see, if they have given one ……now all these bhoots would have run away. They will go into another who are surrounding you. Ohh! I see. Ya. Shri Mataji: Sometimes, if a little bit, they are ill-treated. That is why Christ had to take a halter on these people. This is needed. so many of them are like that. … these are horrible things, you know. . I mean, there is somebody who is so horrible…. If I do anything to him, he will . I know . Not to him, but to the other fellow who…. but he will trouble him there. So I don’t want to do it. I am doing it slowly. That’s how the entanglement has to be given up. But they have no patience, there is no cruelty in this. Is love. A lady asks:” is it possible that a realized soul can make a mistake?” Shri Mataji -Of course. They do, they are human beings, they are not incarnations. Only incarnations …. They are Realized-soul, that’s all. For example, he doesn’t want to come down. He says, after twelve years I come. I said: . Am I going to bottle you here? As the people are going to seat down here for twelve years, what am I going to do? He is already 108 years of age. After twelve years what is going [to] come and do here, when I have to do the work? ….they think, they have done work and have achieved a lot. You are made in the pattern of Ganesh, like Him, not like them! They cannot raise your Kundalini the way you can raise. They cannot feel the vibrations the way you can feel. You are in a way higher than them in a way. You will be surprised. I love you. You are the special ones. If I am going to give something special to someone, who are they to stop Me? They are very egoistical also , I think. Gagangarh Maharaj when I was going to see him, it was raining very heavily, and he controls the rain, you see, and the rain was coming, and he …like that, was angered with the rain he was fighting…. When I reached there, he came before Me, just fighting the rain like that. … I was all drenched. He came up. He said, “You have today killed my ego”. I said “How?” He said: That the rain listens to You, not to me. It was raining heavily, you got drenched. He was very angry . He said, “I made a mistake”. I am angry because the rain misbehaved to such a limit that it has drenched my Mother. You see, (everybody laughs). I had to counterbalance his ego. He must be thought that - my power has been challenged. I told him in the most sweet manner…. I said: see , you had bought a saree for Me, isn’t it? And you want to give it to Me, if My saree is not drenched how are you going to give it to Me? There is no excuse, that’s why I got it drenched. He was so surprised and did not what to do. All his anger went away with this, you see? All his anger went away. … He said: - there must be more point in that also. I said: Yes, there is. That when I was coming the rain was falling on Me and the vibrations have f flowing in the Mother Earth. you will have a beautiful scenery here when the water goes inside and vibrated. That’s what it is. What is this rain, after all, it’s My father. If it is falling on Me, what does it matter to Me ? Why should you feel so bad about it? No Mother, I am sorry about it. That’s how they are. . They make mistakes …….. too egotistical. Then they think, why should you get it? Who are you? What have you done? ‘We were standing on our heads for thirty thousand years.’ Why did you stand?… Who asked you? You should not have to. -’We are not married, we have no children, we have given up everything . What is there to give up? Why did you give up? Who told you to eat only two leaves in the morning? I said: - You eat everything. God has created everything for you. Why do you eat two leaves? Who asked you? And then, on top of that you give an obligation on Me, that we live on two lives while these people are married, they are eating everything, and You are giving them Realisation. They are silly, you know. Incarnations… absolutely . … A lady: You mean that…. Shri Mataji: You know yourself, only within yourself they are there…..(unclear) all of them are within you. Shri Mataji works on new people. HA! … Kevin(?). He is one of these avadhutas only, he knows they have no patience. … Terrible! Gets angry very much. He gets after his father… So, it’s better now? How do you feel? New yogi: Sometimes I feel better, You know, then I’m desperate for a while. I mean yesterday … and in the morning again troubles coming in the eyes(?). Shri Mataji: Let it be for some time, doesn’t matter. . … It’s a state of ‘satori’ (sudden enlightenment) they call it. You should never have touched these people. … That sets in. In most of the people sets in, in the west, I have seen - the satori state. Come up here, come up there. As if you see you have jumped from the sea into the boat but still you are feeling that, or you have passed through the traffic, and you are put on the hill. But still, you can feel the traffic. Suddenly you know … you see it’s still like an inertia. It is still working in you. ... satori state. But some people just don’t have it … It goes and comes back, and don’t you worry about the future or the past. Just ... alright?... You see, [the] only thing, - harsh, can not be done (?). Human beings are human beings! Lots of nerves and lots of … and nothing harsh should be done. Thorough cooperation should be done of that kind…. If you know your body or your emotions. Apart from the worst thing in modern times, that people are very egoistical. You see, it is a very ego-oriented society. If you say anything, immediately the ego is touched, if you do anything the ego is touched . So you have to be neutral. Then they will give you super-ego. Because you are guided(?) by these people. . So, they give you ideas. I say something, [and] an idea comes from the other side . I say something, then a doubt comes from the other side, so there is a struggle going on inside. You too. (Shri Mataji is addressing another yogi) - You, too, have that problem? Or not. You don’t have the argument against Me now inside you? Is there an argument going on, something inside? New yogi: Yes, Mother sometimes is like I’m catching in the dark, I feel. Shri Mataji: But you don’t feel it as such a, - you don’t feel it as a big argument against! . New yogi: …. It is not a big argument. Shri Mataji: But that, he is getting an argument in himself. You may get it. Because you probably use your freedom. So they (the negativity) are not going to do it, you see because they don’t want to live you easily. It is not easy. If you play with them. They don’t want to live . They will come to such an extent, it is. There was a gentleman from Bhilathi(?). He was like, he was much more than what you are. He has in spirits and things like that. He was starting vomiting blood and when he wanted to come and see Me, he could not, you see, could not. He got in halfway he got down, he said - I want to go to the bathroom. And he just ran away towards ... All sorts of things…… I have to do . Now he is all right. He is a Sahaja yogi now. But the pressure is too much, he just runs away. They would say “Get Up” and Get Up” . You should prepare yourself. You have to say - get out , then would start seeing lights, alright? …. You have to say, just - get out! Now you’ll see them coming. You should say - get out! You can see them even in the sunlight if you see them as black spots. New yogi: I see white spots. Shri Mataji: white spots… better, white spots are better. But if you see the black spot, if you close your eyes, and see a black spot here, then it’s a spirit. . White spots are good. Good souls. . Still, you don’t bother about them also, alright? If you see a flame that it’s a good, it’s a saint but if you see a white spot, then you should consider it is not a bad thing. But have nothing to do with the dead. But if you see a black spot, so the black spots are the worst type, they are [the] worse type, and they do not leave easily. They are horrid . Talks. Just laugh at them. That’s the best way to laugh at them. Don’t make too much ado of them . is nothing important. Do you know?. Useless things. Just lost souls. First of all, all your psychic powers, it works(?) . Everything will work [out]. In India, we had many… there(?). But in England, I think we(?) have so many of them here sitting at every corner, you find one Christian is sitting there and, in the name of somebody is sitting down here . So many of them are here. It’s shameful, you know. Thus, Christ was the one who denounced them throughout. Here they call themselves as Christians among them, Pentecostals, devils they are! . (a person is saying something about churches) Shri Mataji: Ha? Christian is Church!?, On this ….they start with mm, mm, mm, like that . Now, is this the way God comes into you? … How can God come in mm, mm, mm, like that? In India, all the place ….. . God has no other place to go to? Anything extraordinary happens, you’ll put it to God. It’s wrong! HA! . (Shri Mataji works on somebody). They are all within Me, whatever you have. Don’t you worry, I will put them right , alright! HA! New yogi: … drugs is being the biggest tragedy... Shri Mataji: Drugs, you took drugs or so? New yogi: …LSD ... Shri Mataji: You should not have taken more. Druggets and chemists, Druggets and chemists, if you take to wash off their stomachs , you can start a drug company. (everybody is laughing). You know, when came to Sahaja Yoga first, then I tell, you have to give up drugs, things,... do it, went back, he got into a brain(?) problem. Then he was jaundiced, so much he has done. Then, he didn’t know what to do. So he came to Me. Now, he realises. But even now, I … telling the stomach is to work it out, so may get some drugs for smuggling…… A new yogini asks: “Mataji do you know of Swami Chaitanya Nand Sarawati? Ya?” “No? I didn’t understand You. Shri Mataji: He … zero marks, . There is one incarnation, who is ...? New yogini: Then is not this one. Shri Mataji: Another one is there who is taking out something from the fire, ….diamonds. ….. He is a well-known Rakshasa, you know. Ancient one. Who was born from a buffalo. He didn’t look as a buffalo. His skin is like buffalo’s. New yogi: his face looks awful. His face looks ugly. Ugly faced. Shri Mataji: Very ugly-faced. There is one thing good about all of them, … missing, can make it out… Now, this one, Sai Baba, Satya Sai Baba. Sai Baba, the original one, is Mohammad Sahib Himself… But this horrible fellow, this Satya Sai Baba, you call him Asatya People don’t think, you know. It’s very …. If you think, you can rationalise. All of them you can rationalise. . For example, now, take this Satya Sai Baba, what did he do? He carries this from here to here. Now think [about] what is the interest of God carrying one thing from here to there. Haven’t you got hands to do that? Why should God carry this thing from here to there? Think into diamonds. He will give it to a rich man. If he was such a giver, why doesn’t he do it for the whole of our country, which is …. Why don’t we think about it? And what is the interest of God in giving these stones? If He has to give, He will give something great. . People think he is a God. Absolutely brainless people. Think about all of them!. Those who talk that they are big . You tell Me all of them, I will tell you what they are, one better than [the] other. New yogi: It is in this book, I don’t know if You get time to read it, so much rubbish around this Shivapuri Baba. He talks in a way that seems to be good. Not in a rationalised way. So, seems he talks from experience and talks about svadarna and … and it doesn’t look like that he just read it from one book and put it in another book, You know. No? Shri Mataji: … Now, actually, what is, [is] no good as far as the vibrations are concerned. Alright? That’s the different point. Now, supposing [that] even if you are not Realised, you sit and rationalise everything. Have you imagined?… New yogi: No, It’s a book. That’s…it’s a book. Shri Mataji: It’s a book. Alright, so you are not going to do it … New yogi: no… Shri Mataji: You see, rationalised it like that. Let us do it this way. More practically. You are not going to … It’s a book. Still, it’s not good. They put (?there) Christ also. Do it like that. Alright? Rationalise them! Use your brains. First use your brains, through wisdom, and then you understand. That’s the best. You tell your mind it’s all (?hoedown.) . You see, your mind is like a horse. . If you start in a way that you understand that you are not a separate rider, ... make you jump. If you make him go this side, [it will take you] that side, if you take him this side it will take you that side, . It will never take you to the right path. You will know if you are wise, that you ride the right path. Keep your mind straight and think it over. Is it what God has ….? What is there in that he had written about God?. What is there? What is so special? Nothing! . New yogi: There is it a special, it seems to be a special book. Shri Mataji: But what is it? New yogi: All the other books that I read are rubbish, You know? But this one seems good. Shri Mataji: What I am saying is that all these things are so horrid , that I can’t imagine . It’s so horrid that…. (somebody: talks about the vibrations) New yogi: … the Vibrations are another sort of conditioning . a bit…… Shri Mataji: No, I tell you about it. It is not conditionings, I will tell you, it’s very easy, that also can be rationalised. everything can be rationalised. Now, supposing it is conditioning. You put ten children who are realized … . They will say the same thing, all of them, and if you tally it on the person, supposing they say that this finger is catching. Must be a liver…. Has to be the liver…. if I ask he will say yes, my liver is bad. But when they give you vibrations, your liver is all right. Now, by conditioning, you don’t cure people. And ten children sitting down say the same thing. That’s how you must find it. Then you do it yourself. If by conditioning you can give them sort of, a feeling of thoughtless awareness, collective consciousness. Sitting down there, no. Where is your chakra catching? All of them are saying the same thing. No question. We are not paying for it. If it is conditioning, how can they say the same thing? All right, even supposing they are hypnotised and, sort of sect. But they are curing you, they are raising your Kundalini, you can see with your naked eyes, the rising of the Kundalini. Then, still, you are not going to believe it? This is going too far. And this nonsense whom you have never seen , you are believing so much, and you are talking about him so much. What is this mind you … . The man whom you are not going to meet, you have never known, who is a rubbish, useless fellow, why are you taking his side? Think about it. Rationality. Now see what is the mind. Now you see, clear your mind. You can clearly see, how it is. This is not helping. Is not being sensible. Where is he taking you? To this man. Whom you are not known, you are not met, just.... And what is your connection with him? Nothing. At the most you can say because you are Russian, and this Guru, that may be the reason …. It’s too far. I mean, at the most you can go to the last …..to with you want to say. But I am sitting before you, I am here. I am going to work it out. You have felt the vibrations, … done everything. and, you see these thoughts (?) . Go ahead, settle your mind. Go fast. The more you are going to stand with it, the more you will go backwards …. This is the only difference between a Sahaja yogi who moves fast and a Sahaja yogi who flocks. Because you know you are there. This is what it is. That is what you are finding…. You have to settle down. Gavin has said, he must testing Me ….and all. But certain points he rationalised, that, what is Mother seeking for Her? She doesn’t need anything. She doesn’t want anything, nothing. Now, She is doing all this. He has seen it with naked eyes, the Kundalini rising. He had seen becoming thoughtlessly aware. Now, how can he not believe? New yogi: He has to have a lot of experience. Shri Mataji: Experience! That’s what I am saying. You see, by this thing, you do not become anything! Nothing! You have to become something. The Becoming, you have to believe. And unless and until you believe into becoming these things are going to keep you away because they will make you very superficial. Because they will not make you anything, [the] only thing, what will happen, you will be reading them. You will be doing this, doing that. It is not doing; it is becoming, I am talking about. Is the actualization [of] what I am talking about. The one who can give you actualisation, you go to that. But not to ones who just leads things, he is misleading. You’ll know yourself, you are going on the right path. . . You must ask for the becoming. You become. You have to be that. That’s what it is. It's only talking, talking, talking, talking. Like, I would say that, people have to say the, - people started first talking about the flowers because they wanted you to have the hung …. So they say let’s talk of the flowers. People will start going to the flowers and they will get the hung. So people started talking of flowers, flowers, flowers, morning till evening. So what happened? They talked to everybody, talked of this talked of that all the forms of flowers. Nobody got the hang. Alright. They said, no use of talking about the flowers, let us talk about the leaves. Mohammed Sahib taught, you see, so many of them taught like this. Christ did. Let us talk about the abstract(?) so they started talking. No use. It was talk, talk, talk, because whenever they talk, what happened? People became talking about it. Nobody became that ! Now, you will have to become a being! You get them and you have to become that! Unless and until you become that, nothing is possible. Is a becoming! And these things, you cannot become by reading, how can you become? You need to say because you can reading this, you can … New yogi: Oh! No , I realize that. I realized I get mental indigestion. Shri Mataji: Actually, you are getting mental indigestion, but rationally if you understand, children, for example, do not read. A person who is uneducated cannot read, if he cannot read, then he cannot get caught. If it is an universal phenomena, (Shri Mataji is addressing to some people who are coming) Ah hello. New yogi: That’s my girlfriend. Shri Mataji: … how are you? Sit down. She is very nice. New yogi: Yes. His? Sister is very good too. Shri Mataji: A, excellent! New yogi:……(laugh) Shri Mataji: I know. But it will be alright. I will put you right. Put your hands like this. Alright? . What’s your name? Seeker lady: Mandy. Shri Mataji: Mandy? Mandy, sit with your hands… New yogi: : She comes from a loving family. Her parents love her. Shri Mataji: You must teach him how to love. Ah! I will teach. You see now ….… and too much reading also makes a person non-loving. Because you cannot read about love. The language of love cannot be read. Ha, you want to read? After realisation, not before, I would say [Because] You won’t understand -[read] Kahlil Gibran. … Read something sensible. What’s this? From this side, he looks like a monkey. … How did he die? New yogi: It said he died at …a hundred and thirty-eight, he died, that’s what the book says anyway. Shri Mataji: he died at 138 of age. So, what? There are some people in India who are even …..of that age. Why was he living a life like that?... But you haven’t got this book. This has been got? to you by this horrible … get you all this, otherwise, after some time you cannot even bear them. . We have one Sahaja Yogi, he drowned so much, I mean …he gets tense , so many of them. Just went and throw them off. (Shri Mataji is addressing to someone else). Hm, just see. Are you feeling fine? (laughter) (somebody said): H sister is good too. Shri Mataji: You haven’t got it from anywhere now, so you better come together. [The] thing is as like small, little children I have carrying in a boat and there are all kinds of ….come back, come back….nice there. Rather jump back. (Shri Mataji is laughing) . It’s a mad, mad, mad. HA! Oh! She is good! She is a good girl! Despite these things, she is not caught up. Pull your ears like this and it will go away. Just like this. You see, you should ask Me for forgiveness. …HA! (Shri Mataji is working on somebody). HA! Better now for every one of us? You are filling all lighter? I think a …. have been here. … come now, it’s no end to it. You have to (?grow) in silence …. It’s quite distinctive. More inside. Gradually you’ll find [that] all your doubts will vanish. When you start , using this, all you … as if, when you give to somebody lots of money, and he doubts whether I should …or something else, many start feeling that he realises that is very precious … and when you start spreading it … so try to accumulate more and more …is for your own good, nothing is for Me. . Alright? This one is alright. … Neem Kauri baba, have you heard of him? Neem Kauri baba. …His disciple has come to my program. New yogi: Baba Ramdas ? Shri Mataji: No, no, not Baba Ramdas he is another one. Another … I came to know all of them because of their disciples, otherwise, how would I know? So this lady came to see Me. with another very sensible man, who was… a Sahaja yogi and he told Me; Mataji, I was really … with You, ….(this lady said she is a doctor of a friend of mine and really worried.?) ….and she is going back….I said alright. So I asked her, I said: come along now, let Me see your vibrations. No, actually, first I was giving a lecture, and she was sitting in front row, and she was doing like this. … So I asked this man, you tell Me where did you get her from? And he said such and such place. I said: she is very hotted, what sort of men . She said: no, I went to Neem Karoli Baba, and I am his disciple. Really? … She is such a brainless girl, she said, he gave me his own water. I said: what do you mean that he gave you his own water? She said; the water that he made. . What water does he make? This is urine. She drank the urine! And she was boasting on them! When I told her, she was shaking like …. Second tape Shri Mataji: …. catching on the right. …. No, you cannot. You are a saint! You cannot smoke. You‘ll be in trouble if you smoke You cannot smoke you know? ….She is smoking because of you, I think, also she gets upset. You love him a lot, isn’t it? I also love him, don’t worry. … Is so attached to him. So she feels sorry. … Germans are very (good at vibrations?); Russians are also getting their realization. I have given to so many of them. Because in Russia at least fear is there no doubt lots of fear., But what is this freedom also? Freedom to break your nose, break your eyes, break your ears; this is no freedom. I mean, Russians are of course suppressed very much, but they are innocent people. Here what has happened in freedom, you had become very, (? arrogant) what you call the wounded soldiers. You won’t believe I have been here for four years, and I didn’t have a public program. First, I have ….something else. I didn’t have a public meeting, you see. Only in the first public meeting, I have met them, and they were very happy…. . New yogi:- Mataji she has pains, and she gets rashes on her fingers, it comes after anxiety, worry … Shri Mataji: See, these are blisters, now they are much better, you see off this, you see? This pain just see, … see now, isn’t it too, … really, just see for yourself. She is so pale. New yogi: - Oh yes, she receives some treatment, one treatment, from the (unclear) Shri Mataji- … Better? … She has liver. What happened? (Everybody is talking) Man: - joys… thoughts Shri Mataji:- you should have kept your photograph for them to see. (Sahaja yogis laughing) that would have been really nice, that you should have done at least. (a lot of Sahaja yogis are talking and laughing) Shri Mataji: you must see him, him, I mean, you are thousands [of] times better than what Marie Baap Re Baap(?), Marie was absolutely… she was, god knows where she was. I couldn’t talk to her. When she was talking, I thought she was talking from some well, and I just couldn’t hear her, absolutely, she was dying, you know, dying absolutely dying. … I mean there are much more difficulties, I tried the difficult ones first (Shri Mataji and Sahaja yogis are laughing ) … but it’s a, …. and alcohol you tell them how much you suffered he’s put down at least ten years his is gone down in his image, such an old man this one, ten years can… …him, Justin, but about Douglass. I’ll tell you, Douglass. The one who is here. People who knew him for so many days, they said where is Douglas?. Sahaja yogi: Oh, when, when Maria came here, this young chap in a suit came up and said ma’am can I carry your bag? She said no thanks, I am meeting my friends. Sahaja yogini: I didn’t recognize him! Somebody: whom, whom? Douglas!, I didn’t recognize him, …. Sahaja yogi: He was in his best suit … Sahaja yogini: …his hair… Shri Mataji: Hair, so much of hair. The best is Koolis. You must see him. Ba, ba! Koolis, looks like a, somebody from the jail. But Gus has really surprised my husband because he is so (? kind) Sahaja yogi : He surprised everybody. Sahaja yogini: My sister couldn’t recognize him except the eyes you know, and the.. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see, she couldn’t recognize him, Sahaja yogini: She saw him at the stage and the meeting, and You know, I knew, I knew this fellow but didn’t know from where? Shri Mataji: (working on somebody) It is liver. A woman: Is it possible to have somebody which (who) is not there, which (who) we cannot reach at the moment, a relation? I would like to do... Shri Mataji: Who is that? Women: It’s my sister of my mother, an aunt of mine, which I like, but she is very bad… Shri Mataji: Where is she? Woman: She is now in (?Justinine) in Germany, in the west, but she has to go back. Shri Mataji: What is wrong with her? Woman: She gets very frightened in her mind, and she always thinks that everybody is spying her, or You know, these years, and the east part has She has got very disturbed by living in the eastern part because she was always been afraid, afraid, afraid, and now she is saying, I mean I have the feeling that she has really got certain parts of the brain and slightly, slightly a … disturbed and I really I would like to help her. Shri Mataji: …. Don’t you worry, you can do all … But, just now, you don’t worry. Just now, I want you to be all right. Just now you forget. (All laughing about something) Shri Mataji: Oh! Who is this one? … this is the worst of all I tell you, . Women: Oh! Shri Mataji: Gus. Where is Gus ? Put that one. Someone: O, shame, shame. . Shri Mataji: Who is this guy? Woman: She was one of the clan. She was the most ….dissolute female s, I ever met. She is in a terrible mess . Shri Mataji: …You know, this Christine was in a terrible mess. She was actually going to the lunatic asylum when she came to Me. The yogis are talking….laughing… Shri Mataji: Are you feeling better? Is your sister married or not? …What part of the country you came from? Woman: Australia? … country at East Coast. Shri Mataji: Which part? Woman: near to Queensland border. Shri Mataji: Queensland Border. ….This is where you actually go? All right. … Put a bandhan to yourself, so you don’t transmute your vibrations. Watch Me. Hm! . Relax. Hmm. Do like this. . Lighter? Woman: ya. Shri Mataji: Lighter? Woman: ya, is. Shri Mataji: This is the worst infection, I tell you. This is the worst infection, that of the mind. . Watch Me! . You are alright. But you sometimes go down, isn’t it? …. Put a bandhan to yourself. You have to cover your aura, with your vibrations. … Better? Put a bandhan. Woman: … attention is better. Shri Mataji: Say the mantra of…., put your hands, one hand towards Me, and say the mantra. Hmm, hmm, … silent? Woman: ya Shri Mataji to a man: How are you feeling? Better? How are you feeling? Better. 1:00:00 Shri Mataji to someone: Lots of black is still coming out of your …) Put it back around… New yogi: Today I used these small candles, so I feel a little bit, much clear, You know. Shri Mataji: Better now? Are you better now? New yogi: I don’t need these small candles... Shri Mataji: HA! Now, are you alright? (Shri Mataji is working on the people). Yesterday you got caught from that another boy that Italian. You were alright yesterday, and then again you put your attention to that Italian boy too much. Someone: Alex? Not ... Alex? Hmm. Shri Mataji: He was very bad, poor thing, he is completely infested. He was very innocent but… . You see, he found, his Guru is misbehaving to his/this girlfriend (?beeting) and when he denounced them and they had some sort of, done something to him, I mean…, doubling the trouble. You feel something there? ... Very upset. Everything is going to be alright, alright? Very well. You are alright, now? Hot still? Woman: No, it was cold now it has become warm again. It was very cold breeze, in between Shri Mataji: See, all these things (?happen), a bandhan The woman: I felt a tingling in between just now before two again, In between it was completely all right. Shri Mataji: How is it now? The woman: Now it is better. Shri Mataji: You see, when you want to separate yourself from others, just put a bandhan like this. The woman: Left hand? Shri Mataji: Right hand. Right hand. …you bind yourself. Right hand. Then you test yourself. Like this. (to a Sahaja yogi) Show it, show how to do it Sahaja yogi: You cover all the chakras you see, starting from the left. . The woman: O, from the left? like that? Like that. Sahaja yogi: Yes, yes. Seven times. Shri Mataji: So, you become separate from others. You see, and then you can see for yourself. Woman: vibrations. Shri Mataji: Yes, is just aura. This is your aura, your personal aura, and you are giving it a bandhan. The woman: I think I got from him (the negativity) because I was sitting here. Shri Mataji: You got it from him. A little bit you see a sort of identifying. Now is it all right now? The woman: Yes. . Shri Mataji: (to somebody else) - How are you?... (everybody speaks at the same time). Lost. (the music is playing, and Shri Mataji continuously purifies the new people) Sahaja yogi: (who purifies someone) Agnya. Shri Mataji: Hm? Sahaja yogi: Agnya. Shri Mataji: Agnya… Hm? Both of them? Just see. A, just see now. How …. Just see now! And these gurus never allow you to touch them! you know? If you touch them, they faint. They are, they get short-circuited. HA! Better now? Are you alright? How are you this side? Good? Are you feeling the vibrations? Cool brize? Someone: Yes, Shri Mataji: Are you feeling any cool breeze? Not yet? Did you give bandhan to yourself? Do it seven times. Again, bring it back. Bring back. All right. (Shri Mataji purifies him). Right now? HA! . Better now? A lady asks something. Shri Mataji: You throw away all these things which are not constructive in anyway, they have not constructed you, neither they are constructed anyone. Alright? (after some time) How do you feel? Better?... feeling this finger now?… Put a bandhan. (To a Sahaja yogi) How is she? Sahaja yogi: Left Agnya and Vishuddhi. Somebody else: Not like this one. Shri Mataji: Hmm. (after some time) It is left Agnya... Shri Mataji is working on someone. Music is playing. Hm? How is he? Shri Mataji is still working…HA! Shri Mataji speaks to a Sahaja yogi: ……. Yes, she gets realisation…. HA! .You get …trying like this? He lost. (the lady tells something to Shri Mataji). This is the (?dooing) of subconscious mind. ….and Vishuddhi is better. Still, you are not aware? . Now he is come up through… Agnya, he is crossed. . He’s on Agnya then falls down again. Sahaja yogini works on someone: He is very cool on top. Shri Mataji: … Give him a bandhan. Shri Mataji says mantras: Sakshat… Sakshat… HA! Shri Mataji to a Sahaja yogi: Sahastrar? Waah! … blocked… See what things they are doing. Just see! Remove this book. Put it into something, into paper. Agnya is still not very good. Sahaja yogi: It’s still Agnya. Still, Agnya Something happened … pressure. Shri Mataji: Back? ……. Shri Mataji: … Better now? (?some guru) find out if he has been there. . Let him find out. Let him. Lady speaks something. A man tells something. Shri Mataji: is he alright? Raise your Kundalini. … Come here. All of you raise her Kundalini. … he is better now. Are you feeling better now? Alex? Alex…. Put yourself into bandhan. (everybody laughs) Come along, you too …all of you. Till you feel yourself rising. …. Take it higher. Have you seen something? Have you seen something? Are you feeling nice ? HA! . (Music playing…)HA! How is it? Men: ….pressure. Shri Mataji: Hello! How are you? Doing better? ? Ahaaa! … How are your fingers? Somebody:(?It seems fine). A Sahaja yogi: It seems to have pressure there. Shri Mataji: Kundalini is dying. Raise Her. . (Music playing, Shri Mataji purifies someone) Now, what do you say? Pressure is much less. The woman: keep … up and down. Shri Mataji: Hm? That’s it…You understand that. Keep to the present moment, alright? (?then it will be alright) What is the balance? Sahaja yogi: …very slightly. …. It’s cooler. … Yogis are talking. Shri Mataji: Now see, now see, now see. Is alright. A Sahaja yogini: It’s much better! Shri Mataji: Now, now see. Every moment you can see. Now? Sahaja yogi:...little more, but still…. Shari Mataji: … cooler, Now see. … HA! Slightly, put your hands there. Put your head down there, I am sorry, you have to put it down the head. Yes. Like that. (Music playing….) Now? HA! . Now? - HA! . - HA! Say the mantras, loudly you say. Sahaja yogis reciting mantras. Om Twameva Sakshat, Shri MahaLaxmi, Maha Saraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika, AdiKundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Again. SY: Om Twameva Sakshat, Shri MahaLaxmi, Maha Saraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika, AdiKundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Once more. SY: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri MahaLaxmi, Maha Saraswati , Mahakali, Trigunatmika, AdiKundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Hmm, how are you feeling now? She is feeling absolutely relieved, liberated. Are you feeling all right? Ah! How are you feeling? Good? (Shri Mataji is laughing) HA! HA! Don’t you worry about anything. Alright? I will cut their necks like this . Throw them away. HA! . What is it? Getting Vibrations? Woman: Oh yes…..little. Shri Mataji:...little, very little. HA! 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Workshop, Part 1, Finchley, Ashram 28-10-1977 [Indistinct conversation] [12:56] Finchley, the 28th of October 1977. Questions and discourses after the first Caxton Hall lecture, 24th October 1977. Man 1: I was lying on the bed [Unclear], I couldn’t see anything. I was fighting with someone on the bed. I was totally freed off when I was fighting to [Unclear, get away from him]. But at the same time, I had to hold on him. So he couldn’t get away from me. And then [Unclear, there came] a flash of light through the window. It was a [Unclear, violent] flash of light and I saw the other person on the bed, and it was me. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] Man 2: He was fighting with himself. Shri Mataji: Oh, you saw the face and it was you? Man 1: I did not see the face, but I knew it was me. Shri Mataji: That’s what it is. Then I [Unclear the spirit]. Man 1: It was a very powerful feeling . [14:16] Shri Mataji: What’s your name? Woman 1: Danielle . [Unclear] Shri Mataji: You are an Indian? Woman 1: No, I come from Mauritius. [Unclear]. Shri Mataji: Yes. Lots of Indians there. [14:47] Shri Mataji: Did you feel any vibrations, Danielle? [Unclear got there]? Woman 1: O, yes, I did. I felt cold in [unclear, very hot] [Indistinct conversation] [15:10] Shri Mataji: You see, how it comes at the [Unclear being]. You are condemned in your childhood, many a times. And then you developed, sort of get separated by the/your spiritual. And you also start, one part starts condemning the other part. Actually, it’s really you are becoming [Unclear with two hearts] [Unclear]. It becomes two personalities. I feel that the more people are advancing in their countries, the worse they are with their own children. [unclear, becoming very unnatural, very unnatural/unhappy. This kind of development is no good. I mean a child supposing, he spoils the carpet, then he, [unclear] the child becomes [Unclear, unimportant]. Very unimportant in the family. The only thing he has to [unclear] . [17:00] (Shri Mataji is working on yogis) Shri Mataji: HA! …. [unclear], very good… (Shri Mataji is laughing). Now see for yourself. An Australian wasting my time for nothing at all! I’m going to blame you for that. (Shri Mataji is laughing). You have to tell him, why are you wasting Mataji’s time for nothing at all? Just see the psychology of the person! You get somehow some book [unclear] you have to know him, you try to ask Me! Something sensible. What’s the use of wasting My time, or your time?HA! [unclear] but still you - that’s how you fight your possession. Now, don’t feel bad about anything. (Shri Mataji is laughing) [unclear, getting] fun is so great. Now, will you please forget it? Now what I [unclear] I have done it automatically because you [unclear] alright? I’m happy you told Me that. You never do anything like that again. You must tell Me beforehand because there is nothing wrong, I’m your Mother, after all, you have to tell Me. [unclear] look after you. (Shri Mataji is laughing) [18:15] [Preparations for the workshop, probably going on] (Shri Mataji is working on yogis, it is unclear what they are talking about. She is laughing and joking, and music is playing) …. Shri Mataji: Put your hands like this. (after some time) there is … warm One hand towards Me. … I will tell you what it is like. (somebody came in) Hello! How are you now? … better? Shri Mataji! It’s alright, it’s alright. Put your hands like that…. [unclear] [42:20 ] [Mantras being chanted] OM Twameva Sakshat, Shri Saraswati Brahmadeva Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Shri Mataji: …OM Twameva Sakshat Brahmadeva Saraswati… [44:00] [Shri Ma Jagdamba’s name spoken many times] [45:00] Man 2: You know, today as I was looking at the picture the mind was still . The mind was still, but ... I forgave the demons of my mind. [Unclear] Shri Mataji: You better [Unclear could/should find them out] Man 2: All I keep [Unclear] … many thousand … [unclear] can I help? Shri Mataji: Now I hope you throw away all the books that you have [unclear] with them. Alright? They only make you argue all these things out. You are not here to represent them in any way, isn’t it? You don’t have their lawyer’s [Unclear certificate]. [Unclear]... get well. That’s important. Yogini: Much better now. Shri Mataji: Much less. It’s a waste of time. For you, for others, for everyone. Alright? HA! I would say this. … Put your hands. HA! Better now? Absolute waste of time. Man 2: Must be. [Unclear] (laughter) Shri Mataji: Now, you just think it like that . Now see, how it will work? if somebody else do that? [unclear, rational person] Alright? [Unclear] Why should I? What is the need? She knows everything, she knows. What’s the use of asking? (?But it is the past thing). Nothing important. What is important is how much am I going to know about it. How much I’m going to achieve is the point. Even if there may be something, what's the use? What are they doing? Nothing. Now, you have to think. You have to achieve something, isn’t it? You are not here for glorifying them, you are here for glorifying yourself. Look after yourself. That’s not being very constructive about yourself. If you worry about others, you see, what’s the use of glorifying them? Isn’t it? HA! Just see now. Shri Mataji: See, when you read them, you have them also in your head. It’s very difficult. Man 2: Yes, there’s plenty of books in my head. . Shri Mataji: There’s a crowd of there. Man 2: Too many. Shri Mataji: You see … there. You are nowhere. You are lost in the crowd's That’s the point. (Shri Mataji is laughing. Shri Mataji: Sit down there. Now, you put your feet in the water in front of Me. . [Unclear] Man 2: The candles were black all the time. Always black. Shri Mataji is laughing: [unclear] So now you will know what I am saying. It’s true, there’s a lot of dread/death these people have put into it, it’s true. Do you see? But if you think how things … it will go [Unclear soot]. Don’t you worry! I am achieving it … If it opens up, the soot will go. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] … as I am is concerned, she is alright. [unclear] Agnya? Sahaja yogi: …yes, it’s not heavy in the hand. Another Sahaja yogi: ... Vishuddhi Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi’s bad because take the mantras, you see? On the right-hand side. On the right-hand side is much worse because [unclear] mantras. (the workshop is going on, Shri Mataji and the yogis are working continuously on the subtle system) [50:00] Shri Mataji: Hm! Better? Don’t get up. You are sitting in a [unclear]. The only thing [Unclear]. You see, in the beginning it happens like that. Gradually you will settle down, don’t you worry. It’s alright. After all, you met Me only the other day, isn’t it? And all these horrid people you’ve had for years together. Bad company [unckear], it’s not easy. They are not going to leave you alone very easily. They’ll go away. Once they realise that you don’t want them anymore. Shri Mataji: But I must say your wife is having a bad [unclear, a name] is having a bad problem with her. Because of you whatever is happening to her, she refuses to accept that. Because she [Unclear] in [Unclear trance]. It’s a serious thing. Very bad. You must [unclear] Man 2: She’s not my wife, it’s my girlfriend. Shri Mataji: It’s just the same for Me. Men 2: Yes, I know. [unclear] Shri Mataji: You shouldn’t have these things at all. You should have a wife only. That is not a good thing, a girlfriend and a boyfriend, and this is all [Unclear]. [Unclear] you realised? [Unclear, God]. Otherwise, He gets angry, [unclear, you don’t know] Shri Mataji: Better? [Unclear] Ganesha is like that. If He gets angry, then [Unclear]. Man 3: [Unclear When/The thing] you were saying in the car was very [Unclear]. About the animals and the human beings. [Unclear How] their attention must be concentrated. Shri Mataji: Animals? In the car? Man 3: Yes, in the car, you were saying that heavy animals have sex. In human beings, it has to be more. Shri Mataji: More sort of, yes. [unclear] Human attention has to be more concentrated, no doubt. Sanctified. Because he has the awareness of what is bad and what isn’t. For an animal, there is nothing like sanctity. It doesn’t think of dharma, it doesn’t think of sanctity. It has dharma. It is bound by it. For, a dog doesn’t become a cat. That’s the point. It’s bound by it, so it need not know about it. But man is taken away from it, you see it is [Unclear]. [53:25] Shri Mataji: [The] Best way to fight out this thing is non-acceptance. Just don’t accept. As she said. You know otherwise these horrible, these [Unclear] people. [Unclear ] I cannot give them realization. But she said, she couldn’t go further, finished. At that point, [Unclear is all]. Shri Mataji: If you say, we’ll have nothing to do, get out. Then they get out. [unclear] some of them are horrible, they are most [Unclear]. But most of them get out. Because they think they have not [unclear] with the person who doesn’t accept it. So they get out. (the workshop is going on with music playing) ***[1:02:15] Shri Mataji: Better now? This you do at home also before My photograph, alright? Just put My photograph, you have got the photograph with you? Alright. Put both the hands towards the photograph and your feet just like this. And there is a mantra written also there. Take that mantra. [unclear] Shri Mataji: How are you now? Woman 1: It’s in Sanskrit. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] has to work faster. [Indistinct conversation]. Shri Mataji: What happened? She’s coming? Woman 1: No. She’s not. Shri Mataji: When will she? Woman 1: I don’t know. She was going to the country. She never stops [Unclear to do anything. Shri Mataji: What is she doing in the country? Woman 1: She’s gonna go there and rest. I’ll keep asking her to not do quite so much. Because she’s always exhausted, so she doesn’t have time to [Unclear anything]. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] See what’s the use. [unclear] She will be alright. But you see, we cannot force we cannot make them [unclear] force them, they have to come themselves. Woman 1: I’m just worried that she’s gonna tiered herself too much. Shri Mataji: Don’t worry about her, you see? Just give a bandhan. What to do now? [Unclear]. You see, these people, they don’t understand. What to do? [Unclear] talk about God, how can you ask? [unclear]. They have to come themselves. They have to ask for it. Then only they can get it. . [1:05:00] [Unclear conversation] [1:06:00] Shri Mataji eats chickpeas: For liver, this is a very good thing. This has protein. And protein [Unclear] and you can live on this. Yogi: … chickpeas. [Unclear conversation] Shri Mataji: [Unclear], and sugar. The doctors don’t know, that the sugar is the fruit of liver, isn't it? Man 3: When somebody has serious hepatitis, they put him on a glucose [Unclear drip]. So, [Unclear] enough food they can’t eat anyway, and then they put him on a pure glucose [Unclear drip]. Shri Mataji: That’s true. But the way they become eccentric about things [Unclear]. For example, everyone they will ask to thin down. It’s a wrong idea. … too thin. You shouldn’t have fat, you shouldn’t have this. It’s very wrong. [unclear]... (somebody came in) [1:07:00] Shri Mataji: And, the other idea they give is, I don’t know if the doctors [Unclear give it], this tanning business. This is very wrong. Because too much of sun is taken on the body, you get skin troubles, [and] then you will get skin cancer. Brain [Unclear biliousness], you know, everything. Too much of right-hand side . Too much sun is not good, as too much moon is not good. If you have too much of moon, you might get mad, lunatic. In the same way, too much of sun is not good. And this is what they don’t guide you against. And here women are crazy the way they are mad . [On] one side they will say that we are racist. We don’t believe in black colour. . And here they will be made [Unclear]. [Indistinct conversation] (Shri Mataji is working on people) Somebody comes in. Shri Mataji: Hello! [unclear]. How are you? Come along, sit down. Now, how is it? You didn’t lose it after that, did you? Newcomer: No, I didn’t! Shri Mataji: Alright! You see?! (Shri Mataji is laughing) Sit down, sit down. May God bless you! Is very good. Put your hands towards Me. [unclear] (Shri Mataji is laughing and music is playing). See this, see this! What a transformation, isn’t it? [unclear] Shri Mataji, after some time: How is the Agnya? Yogi: right Agnya is burning [unclear] Shri Mataji: Right? You just sit here. In front, watch My hand, sit down here. Why are you put the [unclear], (newcomer sad something and Shri Mataji is laughing, the yogi is laughing too). That’s funny. Put it in [unclear, the hand]. Sorry, come along. Sit here. Put your hands towards Me. Feel you something? [unclear, could I have some tea?] Shri Mataji: HA! Now, are you alright, Lakshmi? Right is alright? Lakshmi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Left hand is less. [unclear, getting] (Shri Mataji is laughing) how is it? Yogi: [unclear, left Vishuddhi] Shri Mataji: Left Vishuddhi? (unclear conversation) Shri Mataji: What do you do, whenever you are feeling tense, you [unclear, yourself] Shri Mataji: Now? Less now? Put a bandhan on you. (unclear conversation) Shri Mataji: you were sleeping very well. No? Yogi: Ya, yes, yes, [unclear] Music is playing (Gajanana Shri Ganaraya….) Shri Mataji: HA! Good. Is there any imbalance in there? Let’s see. I would like you [unclear, then/them to wash your feet] and then give him the [unclear] giving [unclear] glasses, you can wash … what about his glasses? I hope you had not thrown it away. [unclear] (unclear conversation) (workshop is going on) Shri Mataji! Watch Me. HA! Yogi says something Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi! Get up. Yogi: Is cool on the left heart. Shri Mataji: Left heart cooler. Right? Yogi: Warm. Shri Mataji: What was the name of his father, he said? Yogi: John. Shri Mataji: John. Yogi: It’s still cool on the left. Shri Mataji: HA! Give him a bandhan. Are you feeling better? Alright. In the hand, are you feeling any cool? Not yet. Raise his Kundalini [unclear] Shri Mataji: You drink? Do you drink? Man: Ya. Shri Mataji: You better ask him [unclear, Warren] how [unclear] drunk in the [unclear], never feel like [unclear, drinking] alright? Whenever you feel angry, keep [unclear]. I’m going to give you such a [unclear, state] that you will never get out of that [unclear]. Alright? (Music is playing, Jai Deva, Jai Deva, Jai Mangala Murti….) Shri Mataji: Left heart. How is your mother? Where is she? Man: [unclear] she left my father [unclear] Man: [unclear] Shri Mataji: What’s her name? Man: Mary. Shri Mataji: Mary? (After some time) Hm. How many brothers and sisters, you [unclear]. One? One brother. Man: No, one sister. Shri Mataji: She is older or younger? Man: Younger. Shri Mataji: [unclear, where] is she? Man: [unclear] my mother. (unclear conversation) (unclear record) Shri Mataji to a yogi, who also is working on that man: Left heart is still there. Shri Mataji: Forgive her. Alright. [unclear], now you have a [unclear] Mother. Alright? I’m never going to leave you. NEVER! Forgive her. See, [unclear] going to come back. Don’t you worry, alright? Forgive. Shri Mataji to someone who just came in: Hello! How are you? Every day, he is looking better and better, isn’t he? And his face is becoming more sort of [unclear]. How is it/he? [unclear] caught up? [unclear] everybody [unclear] now work on him. Now you all work on people, then only work [unclear, on yourself]. Come along and sit down here. Let them, three of them work, come along, let’s see [unclear] take of [unclear] will be better, sit comfortable, alright? And they’ll look after you with all love and everything. Shri Mataji, still works on that man: Better now? [unclear] very cruel parents, [unclear] terrible. … [unclear, same with] father [unclear, same with] mother. (unclear conversation) Shri Mataji: [unclear, how are you?] you should come here. And the Kundalini [unclear]. Better now? Falling down [unclear, the Kundalini]? Man: [unclear, lost] Shri Mataji: Lost it? I mean, it pierced through. (after some time) It has! (he’s got his Realization)(Shri Mataji is laughing :)))). You got it. Pierced! [unclear, feel] nice! [unclear, he is] in the top of the world now! Put a bandhan, put a bandhan on him, he is got it! )(Shri Mataji is laughing), he is lost it, [unclear, when he asks] the Kundalini suddenly pierced [unclear] that’s the point. You should know [unclear] Mooladhara, there, or it is out. [1:31:30] Woman: [unclear] Shri Mataji: You yourself will be doing all these [Unclear, less Me]. All of you have to do it. Alright? You all have to use your hands, feet, brains, heart, everything. You too. Everyone has to. First of all you get well and then you have to do this work. Alright? Put your legs - if you are uncomfortable, you can put your legs forward. [unclear] like that. Sit comfortably. I told you, I’m your mother in the real sense of the word. You have to take all the liberties with Me. Alright? Ask questions also. (Shri Mataji is laughing) First of all, you get alright. [unclear conversation] Shri Mataji: Better now? He has a problem [unclear] that’s the trouble [unclear, hurt you]. (Somebody has a guru) Where did he come from? Where did you see him? Man: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Hm? What does he say? [Indistinct conversation] [1:33:40] Someone: He’s got a bad heart. Shri Mataji: He’s a heart patient? [Indistinct conversation] [1:34:10] Shri Mataji: He has a bad heart, he is a heart patient. Next time he comes here, you tell him about Me. Let him come down, I’ll cure his heart and tell him what is the [Unclear]. You see, he should not teach that, better he should not teach wrong. [Indistinct conversation] Shri Mataji: He takes money? [Unclear] Shri Mataji: [unclear] but he’s not something great. [Unclear] but still his heart must be alright. [A] terrible heart he has. He’ll feel better now. Write to him – how are you feeling in your heart? [Indistinct conversation] Shri Mataji: Not alright? [unclear] Shri Mataji: [unclear] I’ll be removing that. The man says something unclear, above the head… Shri Mataji: Is the Kundalini. [unclear, yet] the heart is not opened out properly [unclear] he has started, that’s the mistake. Come along [unclear] you see, very wrong! Should not have been done. Nobody should [unclear]. Yogini: (She tells something to a newcomer) [Indistinct conversation] [1:36:30] Shri Mataji: You must ask for forgiveness. And then you should say that I forgive, all those who trespass against me. Yogini: [Indistinct conversation] [1:37:10] Shri Mataji: He is better now? Yogini: [unclear], he is very good actually, [unclear], attention…] Shri Mataji: Then he’ll be alright. Because, you know, they come with him because they want to disturb us. Once he decides not to come, they’ll go away. Shri Mataji: What do you say [unclear, Gavin?] Yogi: Left heart. Shri Mataji: [unclear] I will put My Feet there, alright? You don’t mind? [unclear, you will be alright] Shri Mataji: How is he? [Indistinct conversation] Shri Mataji: [unclear] towards the flame, up, up, little bet away [unclear] Shri Mataji: I think he is an awakened person, no doubt, but he doesn’t know what he is doing. Where does he come from? Man, woman: South Africa Shri Mataji: I was there. From which town? Man: Cape Town Shri Mataji: That’s a problem with these realized people also. They go on catching you see, they don’t know how to avoid it [unclear, Agnya is] like this. They move [unclear] poor thing what to do? They are people [unclear] no doubt, he is a good man. But the problem is that he deviates, he doesn’t know how to deal with it at all. [unclear]. He doesn’t know. What’s the use of doing all [unclear] isn’t it? You must get it first of all [unclear], you get polluted. [unclear conversation] Woman: He seems so gentle. Shri Mataji: That’s how they have to be. [unclear] very clever! [unclear]. They talk very diplomatically. [unclear] [unclear conversation] [1:43:30] Shri Mataji: [Unclear] big scientist from America. [Unclear, they came to India]. And they told Me, “we have come to meet you specially. Now you teach us how to leave our body and take it to the moon.” So I said, “why? Aren’t you doing it already?” They said, “No, we want to do it [Unclear]” I said, “Why do you want to do it?” They said, “Now, it is very important for us, we have to do it.” I said, “Now if I tell you that it is all done through the spirits. The spirits do that. They can [Unclear come in]. And they, if they do it, you get separated you from yourself. Take it from Me. You’ll become sort of another person, and they take your attention [Unclear, there] and you feel you’ve gone to the moon. Would you like to do that?” They said, “Yes, why not?” I said, “Supposing I also tell you, that they will enslave you. And it will be difficult for you to get out of it. Still, will you do it?” “Yes, we don’t mind.” I said, “Why so much insistence? Of getting enslavement. You have fought for your freedom, and freedom, now why do you want to be enslaved? By these people taking you to the moon. You’ve got your aeroplanes and things. Why do you want to do? You’ve already reached there. Why do you want to do it?” Shri Mataji: So they told me that in Russia, there is a big parapsychology thing going on. So we want to compete with them. When they are doing it, we should also do it. I said, “If they are burning their houses, why do you want to burn your houses also?” They said, “We don’t mind.” Such fools becoming big, big, great big scientists. I asked them who sent you to Me. I was amazed to see that they came to Me, of all the persons because I am very against all this. Shri Mataji: So they told Me the name of one [Unclear, Patanjali]. And this Patanjali [unclear]. Because this fellow used to get this kind of experience. He used to get out of his body, go away, then he would come and tell his wife “I saw this nice, and I saw that”. It used to come in the paper, make stage. He even got some [unclear, sign] to show that he went to the sea. And she was so shocked [that] she used to lock the door, and then she brought him to Me. Of course, he started shaking before Me, [Unclear] and I said, there’s a spirit in you which is doing like this . [Unclear] He worked hard, and after one month the spirit left him, and he was alright, he was normal. Shri Mataji: So I rang up that Patanjali and I said, “You are such a fool , that you sent them to Me. You were suffering from the disease. Do you want Me to put the disease into them or what?” So he said, “I told them that you were against it, but they said they want to see. ” I said, now these three fools , send them back. And never send such people to Me because I have to tell them the truth. Now they came all the way flying to India, you know? Just to get this nonsense. It's very easy, to move this from here to there. What is wrong, you can use your hands. Why do you want to do it invisibly? Someone: Curiosity Shri Mataji: Curiosity, must have some wisdom in it. You see, curiosity without wisdom, can be very dangerous. Must have wisdom. First, you know, what is the interest of God in moving you from here to there? What’s the [Unclear, use] Shri Mataji: You understand? [Unclear] First thing and first test we must do. What is the interest of God? Supposing we have to ask God something, what are we going to ask? We ask [Unclear supreme]. Because you are asking for something nonsensical, you’re getting all these nonsensical things. Depends on what shop you want to go in. If you have to come to Me, and ask for the supreme. I can’t give you this third grade [Unclear]. Alright? [1:48:00] Someone: Do you mind me asking what everybody is staring [Unclear] Any instructions to take me to things ? Shri Mataji: Here? Someone: No, [unclear] , particularly what we’re going to [Unclear make/be doing]. Shri Mataji: Alright. Just now, I’m getting you alright. In the sense that you should feel the vibrations yourself, you should get the realization completely, you should be cured. Once it is done, then I’ll teach you, and you are going to do the same. Because what you’ll be doing, it's flowing from Me. [unclear] You just manoeuvre it. And you understand how it flows. In my next lecture, I’m going to tell you all about the mechanism. I’m not going to hide anything from you. Nothing. I’m going to tell you everything. But you should be capable of understanding it. Once you are developed that capability, gradually I’m going to tell you each and everything . I’m not going to hide anything from you. Take it from Me. I’ve come here to tell you everything. Everything I will tell you. Someone: How long have you been [Unclear here]? Shri Mataji: Four years. Seeking for you people. Can you believe it? [Indistinct conversation] [1:50:50] Shri Mataji: One thing you must know is that by doing anything you cannot get [Unclear in/it]. You have to become [Unclear something]. By doing [unclear] you have to become. [Indistinct conversation] [1:55:30] Shri Mataji: You see, like mushrooms, [Unclear] appear in the rainy season. In this Kali-yuga , all these horrible people have suddenly come. [unclear] Man: [Unclear what do you see/seek] in the future? Shri Mataji: Future is going to be [Unclear grand]. Already started! Already started. By the time, 1980, you will see that you have entered the kingdom of God completely. Already entered. But then you will feel. Man: [Unclear] all people? Shri Mataji: [Unclear, ?Not all people] you think Hitler should get realization? These all of them are of the same style even worse than him, worse than him, all these. Man: All the guru? Shri Mataji: All these. Most of them. They are not gurus. They’re rakshasas, demons. Satanic [unclear] Man: Why [Unclear are they like that]? Shri Mataji: You see, in their freedom they choose that. Human beings have been given freedom. Alright? You have to be given freedom because of your evolution. When you are a child, you have told [Unclear what is good]. When you grow up, then what happens, you can be understanding what is [Unclear]. Then you are [Unclear, given a] problem to solve. In the same way, the problem of life also [Unclear is needed/ is given to you] to be solved. In that, some of you became asuras, rakshasas. Man: [Unclear What is that]? Shri Mataji: Horrible, [unclear] satanic. Man: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Karma? That’s what I said. That who does the karmas is (?the pure) ego. Man: Ego is the thing that wants to get out? Shri Mataji: Ego [Unclear]. Especially given to you. To try. Like as we try an electrical thing on a battery, separately first, before putting it into the mains, alright? This ego is to be discarded later. Man: You don’t seem like you haven’t got an ego. Shri Mataji: I don’t seem? Man: I don’t mean to say that [Unclear] Shri Mataji: But you think I have got ego? I have. I’m the complete ego. When Christ said, “I am the light, I am the path.”, was he egoistical? [Unclear, Because he was]. But I’m not conscious of it. Whatever I am, that I am. I have to say that. But I would say no. , why? Not because I should not, but because I’m very clever. I don’t want to get crucified [Unclear] Shri Mataji: I should say that! I should say much more than that! Like Krishna has said, “Sarva dharmana parityajya mam ekam saranam”. Give up everything else and come at my feet and surrender. He was egoistical if you say that way, isn’t it? What is there is the fact. That has to be told. Actually, I’ve never been that way. I should have been much more. That’d be much better. But I thought that it’s wiser, not to go that much. You see, first, you appear like a very simple woman. So, I put an illusion on Me. Of a very quiet, shy person. [Unclear, so it was] another illusion. Sometimes behave like an [Unclear, idiot]. So they feel alright. Because your egos are so developed, that I do touch here, there, anywhere you see, suddenly - whooom! [Unclear] come back on Me. (Shri Mataji is laughing) Shri Mataji: I’m very clever, that’s the point. [Unclear] these people will think that [unclear, they are] humblest possible ever born. Humblest, [Unclear not] doing so much [Unclear bad]. [Unclear Maharshi]. You’d think, oh the humblest man, nothing against him, [Unclear very nice]. All drama. [Unclear] Woman: [Unclear] When I first saw you, on Monday, I thought you’d be quite gentle. But when you started speaking, you were so full of energy. Fantastic. (Laughter) Shri Mataji: I have too much of it. I have been very gentle in my previous lives. Absolutely gentle that people [Unclear, do not know even who I was]. But today that’s not the time. Here I have to speak. Woman: I wish I had so much energy. Shri Mataji: You will. You will one day. You will have to have that. Yes, you must have. HA! (... Silence …) Shri Mataji: Perfection is still not [unclear, happy] what is it? (a man laugh) Shri Mataji: [unclear, somebody is sitting on your head? What’s it/watch it? Shri Mataji is still working on people: All the super-ego. HA! Yogi: Left Sahasrara [unclear] opening now. [Indistinct conversation] [2:02:40] Shri Mataji: You are alright? The same? The hole between ego and superego. I’m going to tell you about that in my lecture, alright? . Let, - all of you, I’m going to tell you where your attention goes, in between the ego and superego. You start seeing yourself both that as conditioning one side and another side hole is [unclear, clouds] . How they have crossed each other, can you see that? That’s why you see on the left-hand side, the ego has come up. Right-hand side is the superego. Man: Is this something happening to me? Or are you trying to do something to me? While I’m getting stuck in ego or super-ego, I think. Shri Mataji: No, you must come out from the centres here. You should be baptized, you see? Now the balance is that your ego has covered this side and pushed back, see? This ego is covering up this way, and I’m trying to push it back a little so that there is a space in between. . [2:04:00] Shri Mataji: HA! [unclear] the Kundalini [unclear, rise up]. The pressure has gone out.

Workshop, Part 1, Finchley, Ashram 28-10-1977 [Indistinct conversation] [12:56] Finchley, the 28th of October 1977. Questions and discourses after the first Caxton Hall lecture, 24th October 1977. Man 1: I was lying on the bed [Unclear], I couldn’t see anything. I was fighting with someone on the bed. I was totally freed off when I was fighting to [Unclear, get away from him]. But at the same time, I had to hold on him. So he couldn’t get away from me. And then [Unclear, there came] a flash of light through the window. It was a [Unclear, violent] flash of light and I saw the other person on the bed, and it was me. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] Man 2: He was fighting with himself. Shri Mataji: Oh, you saw the face and it was you? Man 1: I did not see the face, but I knew it was me. Shri Mataji: That’s what it is. Then I [Unclear the spirit]. Man 1: It was a very powerful feeling . [14:16] Shri Mataji: What’s your name? Woman 1: Danielle . [Unclear] Shri Mataji: You are an Indian? Woman 1: No, I come from Mauritius. [Unclear]. Shri Mataji: Yes. Lots of Indians there. [14:47] Shri Mataji: Did you feel any vibrations, Danielle? [Unclear got there]? Woman 1: O, yes, I did. I felt cold in [unclear, very hot] [Indistinct conversation] [15:10] Shri Mataji: You see, how it comes at the [Unclear being]. You are condemned in your childhood, many a times. And then you developed, sort of get separated by the/your spiritual. And you also start, one part starts condemning the other part. Actually, it’s really you are becoming [Unclear with two hearts] [Unclear]. It becomes two personalities. I feel that the more people are advancing in their countries, the worse they are with their own children. [unclear, becoming very unnatural, very unnatural/unhappy. This kind of development is no good. I mean a child supposing, he spoils the carpet, then he, [unclear] the child becomes [Unclear, unimportant]. Very unimportant in the family. The only thing he has to [unclear] . [17:00] (Shri Mataji is working on yogis) Shri Mataji: HA! …. [unclear], very good… (Shri Mataji is laughing). Now see for yourself. An Australian wasting my time for nothing at all! I’m going to blame you for that. (Shri Mataji is laughing). You have to tell him, why are you wasting Mataji’s time for nothing at all? Just see the psychology of the person! You get somehow some book [unclear] you have to know him, you try to ask Me! Something sensible. What’s the use of wasting My time, or your time?HA! [unclear] but still you - that’s how you fight your possession. Now, don’t feel bad about anything. (Shri Mataji is laughing) [unclear, getting] fun is so great. Now, will you please forget it? Now what I [unclear] I have done it automatically because you [unclear] alright? I’m happy you told Me that. You never do anything like that again. You must tell Me beforehand because there is nothing wrong, I’m your Mother, after all, you have to tell Me. [unclear] look after you. (Shri Mataji is laughing) [18:15] [Preparations for the workshop, probably going on] (Shri Mataji is working on yogis, it is unclear what they are talking about. She is laughing and joking, and music is playing) …. Shri Mataji: Put your hands like this. (after some time) there is … warm One hand towards Me. … I will tell you what it is like. (somebody came in) Hello! How are you now? … better? Shri Mataji! It’s alright, it’s alright. Put your hands like that…. [unclear] [42:20 ] [Mantras being chanted] OM Twameva Sakshat, Shri Saraswati Brahmadeva Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Shri Mataji: …OM Twameva Sakshat Brahmadeva Saraswati… [44:00] [Shri Ma Jagdamba’s name spoken many times] [45:00] Man 2: You know, today as I was looking at the picture the mind was still . The mind was still, but ... I forgave the demons of my mind. [Unclear] Shri Mataji: You better [Unclear could/should find them out] Man 2: All I keep [Unclear] … many thousand … [unclear] can I help? Shri Mataji: Now I hope you throw away all the books that you have [unclear] with them. Alright? They only make you argue all these things out. You are not here to represent them in any way, isn’t it? You don’t have their lawyer’s [Unclear certificate]. [Unclear]... get well. That’s important. Yogini: Much better now. Shri Mataji: Much less. It’s a waste of time. For you, for others, for everyone. Alright? HA! I would say this. … Put your hands. HA! Better now? Absolute waste of time. Man 2: Must be. [Unclear] (laughter) Shri Mataji: Now, you just think it like that . Now see, how it will work? if somebody else do that? [unclear, rational person] Alright? [Unclear] Why should I? What is the need? She knows everything, she knows. What’s the use of asking? (?But it is the past thing). Nothing important. What is important is how much am I going to know about it. How much I’m going to achieve is the point. Even if there may be something, what's the use? What are they doing? Nothing. Now, you have to think. You have to achieve something, isn’t it? You are not here for glorifying them, you are here for glorifying yourself. Look after yourself. That’s not being very constructive about yourself. If you worry about others, you see, what’s the use of glorifying them? Isn’t it? HA! Just see now. Shri Mataji: See, when you read them, you have them also in your head. It’s very difficult. Man 2: Yes, there’s plenty of books in my head. . Shri Mataji: There’s a crowd of there. Man 2: Too many. Shri Mataji: You see … there. You are nowhere. You are lost in the crowd's That’s the point. (Shri Mataji is laughing. Shri Mataji: Sit down there. Now, you put your feet in the water in front of Me. . [Unclear] Man 2: The candles were black all the time. Always black. Shri Mataji is laughing: [unclear] So now you will know what I am saying. It’s true, there’s a lot of dread/death these people have put into it, it’s true. Do you see? But if you think how things … it will go [Unclear soot]. Don’t you worry! I am achieving it … If it opens up, the soot will go. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] … as I am is concerned, she is alright. [unclear] Agnya? Sahaja yogi: …yes, it’s not heavy in the hand. Another Sahaja yogi: ... Vishuddhi Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi’s bad because take the mantras, you see? On the right-hand side. On the right-hand side is much worse because [unclear] mantras. (the workshop is going on, Shri Mataji and the yogis are working continuously on the subtle system) [50:00] Shri Mataji: Hm! Better? Don’t get up. You are sitting in a [unclear]. The only thing [Unclear]. You see, in the beginning it happens like that. Gradually you will settle down, don’t you worry. It’s alright. After all, you met Me only the other day, isn’t it? And all these horrid people you’ve had for years together. Bad company [unckear], it’s not easy. They are not going to leave you alone very easily. They’ll go away. Once they realise that you don’t want them anymore. Shri Mataji: But I must say your wife is having a bad [unclear, a name] is having a bad problem with her. Because of you whatever is happening to her, she refuses to accept that. Because she [Unclear] in [Unclear trance]. It’s a serious thing. Very bad. You must [unclear] Man 2: She’s not my wife, it’s my girlfriend. Shri Mataji: It’s just the same for Me. Men 2: Yes, I know. [unclear] Shri Mataji: You shouldn’t have these things at all. You should have a wife only. That is not a good thing, a girlfriend and a boyfriend, and this is all [Unclear]. [Unclear] you realised? [Unclear, God]. Otherwise, He gets angry, [unclear, you don’t know] Shri Mataji: Better? [Unclear] Ganesha is like that. If He gets angry, then [Unclear]. Man 3: [Unclear When/The thing] you were saying in the car was very [Unclear]. About the animals and the human beings. [Unclear How] their attention must be concentrated. Shri Mataji: Animals? In the car? Man 3: Yes, in the car, you were saying that heavy animals have sex. In human beings, it has to be more. Shri Mataji: More sort of, yes. [unclear] Human attention has to be more concentrated, no doubt. Sanctified. Because he has the awareness of what is bad and what isn’t. For an animal, there is nothing like sanctity. It doesn’t think of dharma, it doesn’t think of sanctity. It has dharma. It is bound by it. For, a dog doesn’t become a cat. That’s the point. It’s bound by it, so it need not know about it. But man is taken away from it, you see it is [Unclear]. [53:25] Shri Mataji: [The] Best way to fight out this thing is non-acceptance. Just don’t accept. As she said. You know otherwise these horrible, these [Unclear] people. [Unclear ] I cannot give them realization. But she said, she couldn’t go further, finished. At that point, [Unclear is all]. Shri Mataji: If you say, we’ll have nothing to do, get out. Then they get out. [unclear] some of them are horrible, they are most [Unclear]. But most of them get out. Because they think they have not [unclear] with the person who doesn’t accept it. So they get out. (the workshop is going on with music playing) ***[1:02:15] Shri Mataji: Better now? This you do at home also before My photograph, alright? Just put My photograph, you have got the photograph with you? Alright. Put both the hands towards the photograph and your feet just like this. And there is a mantra written also there. Take that mantra. [unclear] Shri Mataji: How are you now? Woman 1: It’s in Sanskrit. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] has to work faster. [Indistinct conversation]. Shri Mataji: What happened? She’s coming? Woman 1: No. She’s not. Shri Mataji: When will she? Woman 1: I don’t know. She was going to the country. She never stops [Unclear to do anything. Shri Mataji: What is she doing in the country? Woman 1: She’s gonna go there and rest. I’ll keep asking her to not do quite so much. Because she’s always exhausted, so she doesn’t have time to [Unclear anything]. Shri Mataji: [Unclear] See what’s the use. [unclear] She will be alright. But you see, we cannot force we cannot make them [unclear] force them, they have to come themselves. Woman 1: I’m just worried that she’s gonna tiered herself too much. Shri Mataji: Don’t worry about her, you see? Just give a bandhan. What to do now? [Unclear]. You see, these people, they don’t understand. What to do? [Unclear] talk about God, how can you ask? [unclear]. They have to come themselves. They have to ask for it. Then only they can get it. . [1:05:00] [Unclear conversation] [1:06:00] Shri Mataji eats chickpeas: For liver, this is a very good thing. This has protein. And protein [Unclear] and you can live on this. Yogi: … chickpeas. [Unclear conversation] Shri Mataji: [Unclear], and sugar. The doctors don’t know, that the sugar is the fruit of liver, isn't it? Man 3: When somebody has serious hepatitis, they put him on a glucose [Unclear drip]. So, [Unclear] enough food they can’t eat anyway, and then they put him on a pure glucose [Unclear drip]. Shri Mataji: That’s true. But the way they become eccentric about things [Unclear]. For example, everyone they will ask to thin down. It’s a wrong idea. … too thin. You shouldn’t have fat, you shouldn’t have this. It’s very wrong. [unclear]... (somebody came in) [1:07:00] Shri Mataji: And, the other idea they give is, I don’t know if the doctors [Unclear give it], this tanning business. This is very wrong. Because too much of sun is taken on the body, you get skin troubles, [and] then you will get skin cancer. Brain [Unclear biliousness], you know, everything. Too much of right-hand side . Too much sun is not good, as too much moon is not good. If you have too much of moon, you might get mad, lunatic. In the same way, too much of sun is not good. And this is what they don’t guide you against. And here women are crazy the way they are mad . [On] one side they will say that we are racist. We don’t believe in black colour. . And here they will be made [Unclear]. [Indistinct conversation] (Shri Mataji is working on people) Somebody comes in. Shri Mataji: Hello! [unclear]. How are you? Come along, sit down. Now, how is it? You didn’t lose it after that, did you? Newcomer: No, I didn’t! Shri Mataji: Alright! You see?! (Shri Mataji is laughing) Sit down, sit down. May God bless you! Is very good. Put your hands towards Me. [unclear] (Shri Mataji is laughing and music is playing). See this, see this! What a transformation, isn’t it? [unclear] Shri Mataji, after some time: How is the Agnya? Yogi: right Agnya is burning [unclear] Shri Mataji: Right? You just sit here. In front, watch My hand, sit down here. Why are you put the [unclear], (newcomer sad something and Shri Mataji is laughing, the yogi is laughing too). That’s funny. Put it in [unclear, the hand]. Sorry, come along. Sit here. Put your hands towards Me. Feel you something? [unclear, could I have some tea?] Shri Mataji: HA! Now, are you alright, Lakshmi? Right is alright? Lakshmi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Left hand is less. [unclear, getting] (Shri Mataji is laughing) how is it? Yogi: [unclear, left Vishuddhi] Shri Mataji: Left Vishuddhi? (unclear conversation) Shri Mataji: What do you do, whenever you are feeling tense, you [unclear, yourself] Shri Mataji: Now? Less now? Put a bandhan on you. (unclear conversation) Shri Mataji: you were sleeping very well. No? Yogi: Ya, yes, yes, [unclear] Music is playing (Gajanana Shri Ganaraya….) Shri Mataji: HA! Good. Is there any imbalance in there? Let’s see. I would like you [unclear, then/them to wash your feet] and then give him the [unclear] giving [unclear] glasses, you can wash … what about his glasses? I hope you had not thrown it away. [unclear] (unclear conversation) (workshop is going on) Shri Mataji! Watch Me. HA! Yogi says something Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi! Get up. Yogi: Is cool on the left heart. Shri Mataji: Left heart cooler. Right? Yogi: Warm. Shri Mataji: What was the name of his father, he said? Yogi: John. Shri Mataji: John. Yogi: It’s still cool on the left. Shri Mataji: HA! Give him a bandhan. Are you feeling better? Alright. In the hand, are you feeling any cool? Not yet. Raise his Kundalini [unclear] Shri Mataji: You drink? Do you drink? Man: Ya. Shri Mataji: You better ask him [unclear, Warren] how [unclear] drunk in the [unclear], never feel like [unclear, drinking] alright? Whenever you feel angry, keep [unclear]. I’m going to give you such a [unclear, state] that you will never get out of that [unclear]. Alright? (Music is playing, Jai Deva, Jai Deva, Jai Mangala Murti….) Shri Mataji: Left heart. How is your mother? Where is she? Man: [unclear] she left my father [unclear] Man: [unclear] Shri Mataji: What’s her name? Man: Mary. Shri Mataji: Mary? (After some time) Hm. How many brothers and sisters, you [unclear]. One? One brother. Man: No, one sister. Shri Mataji: She is older or younger? Man: Younger. Shri Mataji: [unclear, where] is she? Man: [unclear] my mother. (unclear conversation) (unclear record) Shri Mataji to a yogi, who also is working on that man: Left heart is still there. Shri Mataji: Forgive her. Alright. [unclear], now you have a [unclear] Mother. Alright? I’m never going to leave you. NEVER! Forgive her. See, [unclear] going to come back. Don’t you worry, alright? Forgive. Shri Mataji to someone who just came in: Hello! How are you? Every day, he is looking better and better, isn’t he? And his face is becoming more sort of [unclear]. How is it/he? [unclear] caught up? [unclear] everybody [unclear] now work on him. Now you all work on people, then only work [unclear, on yourself]. Come along and sit down here. Let them, three of them work, come along, let’s see [unclear] take of [unclear] will be better, sit comfortable, alright? And they’ll look after you with all love and everything. Shri Mataji, still works on that man: Better now? [unclear] very cruel parents, [unclear] terrible. … [unclear, same with] father [unclear, same with] mother. (unclear conversation) Shri Mataji: [unclear, how are you?] you should come here. And the Kundalini [unclear]. Better now? Falling down [unclear, the Kundalini]? Man: [unclear, lost] Shri Mataji: Lost it? I mean, it pierced through. (after some time) It has! (he’s got his Realization)(Shri Mataji is laughing :)))). You got it. Pierced! [unclear, feel] nice! [unclear, he is] in the top of the world now! Put a bandhan, put a bandhan on him, he is got it! )(Shri Mataji is laughing), he is lost it, [unclear, when he asks] the Kundalini suddenly pierced [unclear] that’s the point. You should know [unclear] Mooladhara, there, or it is out. [1:31:30] Woman: [unclear] Shri Mataji: You yourself will be doing all these [Unclear, less Me]. All of you have to do it. Alright? You all have to use your hands, feet, brains, heart, everything. You too. Everyone has to. First of all you get well and then you have to do this work. Alright? Put your legs - if you are uncomfortable, you can put your legs forward. [unclear] like that. Sit comfortably. I told you, I’m your mother in the real sense of the word. You have to take all the liberties with Me. Alright? Ask questions also. (Shri Mataji is laughing) First of all, you get alright. [unclear conversation] Shri Mataji: Better now? He has a problem [unclear] that’s the trouble [unclear, hurt you]. (Somebody has a guru) Where did he come from? Where did you see him? Man: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Hm? What does he say? [Indistinct conversation] [1:33:40] Someone: He’s got a bad heart. Shri Mataji: He’s a heart patient? [Indistinct conversation] [1:34:10] Shri Mataji: He has a bad heart, he is a heart patient. Next time he comes here, you tell him about Me. Let him come down, I’ll cure his heart and tell him what is the [Unclear]. You see, he should not teach that, better he should not teach wrong. [Indistinct conversation] Shri Mataji: He takes money? [Unclear] Shri Mataji: [unclear] but he’s not something great. [Unclear] but still his heart must be alright. [A] terrible heart he has. He’ll feel better now. Write to him – how are you feeling in your heart? [Indistinct conversation] Shri Mataji: Not alright? [unclear] Shri Mataji: [unclear] I’ll be removing that. The man says something unclear, above the head… Shri Mataji: Is the Kundalini. [unclear, yet] the heart is not opened out properly [unclear] he has started, that’s the mistake. Come along [unclear] you see, very wrong! Should not have been done. Nobody should [unclear]. Yogini: (She tells something to a newcomer) [Indistinct conversation] [1:36:30] Shri Mataji: You must ask for forgiveness. And then you should say that I forgive, all those who trespass against me. Yogini: [Indistinct conversation] [1:37:10] Shri Mataji: He is better now? Yogini: [unclear], he is very good actually, [unclear], attention…] Shri Mataji: Then he’ll be alright. Because, you know, they come with him because they want to disturb us. Once he decides not to come, they’ll go away. Shri Mataji: What do you say [unclear, Gavin?] Yogi: Left heart. Shri Mataji: [unclear] I will put My Feet there, alright? You don’t mind? [unclear, you will be alright] Shri Mataji: How is he? [Indistinct conversation] Shri Mataji: [unclear] towards the flame, up, up, little bet away [unclear] Shri Mataji: I think he is an awakened person, no doubt, but he doesn’t know what he is doing. Where does he come from? Man, woman: South Africa Shri Mataji: I was there. From which town? Man: Cape Town Shri Mataji: That’s a problem with these realized people also. They go on catching you see, they don’t know how to avoid it [unclear, Agnya is] like this. They move [unclear] poor thing what to do? They are people [unclear] no doubt, he is a good man. But the problem is that he deviates, he doesn’t know how to deal with it at all. [unclear]. He doesn’t know. What’s the use of doing all [unclear] isn’t it? You must get it first of all [unclear], you get polluted. [unclear conversation] Woman: He seems so gentle. Shri Mataji: That’s how they have to be. [unclear] very clever! [unclear]. They talk very diplomatically. [unclear] [unclear conversation] [1:43:30] Shri Mataji: [Unclear] big scientist from America. [Unclear, they came to India]. And they told Me, “we have come to meet you specially. Now you teach us how to leave our body and take it to the moon.” So I said, “why? Aren’t you doing it already?” They said, “No, we want to do it [Unclear]” I said, “Why do you want to do it?” They said, “Now, it is very important for us, we have to do it.” I said, “Now if I tell you that it is all done through the spirits. The spirits do that. They can [Unclear come in]. And they, if they do it, you get separated you from yourself. Take it from Me. You’ll become sort of another person, and they take your attention [Unclear, there] and you feel you’ve gone to the moon. Would you like to do that?” They said, “Yes, why not?” I said, “Supposing I also tell you, that they will enslave you. And it will be difficult for you to get out of it. Still, will you do it?” “Yes, we don’t mind.” I said, “Why so much insistence? Of getting enslavement. You have fought for your freedom, and freedom, now why do you want to be enslaved? By these people taking you to the moon. You’ve got your aeroplanes and things. Why do you want to do? You’ve already reached there. Why do you want to do it?” Shri Mataji: So they told me that in Russia, there is a big parapsychology thing going on. So we want to compete with them. When they are doing it, we should also do it. I said, “If they are burning their houses, why do you want to burn your houses also?” They said, “We don’t mind.” Such fools becoming big, big, great big scientists. I asked them who sent you to Me. I was amazed to see that they came to Me, of all the persons because I am very against all this. Shri Mataji: So they told Me the name of one [Unclear, Patanjali]. And this Patanjali [unclear]. Because this fellow used to get this kind of experience. He used to get out of his body, go away, then he would come and tell his wife “I saw this nice, and I saw that”. It used to come in the paper, make stage. He even got some [unclear, sign] to show that he went to the sea. And she was so shocked [that] she used to lock the door, and then she brought him to Me. Of course, he started shaking before Me, [Unclear] and I said, there’s a spirit in you which is doing like this . [Unclear] He worked hard, and after one month the spirit left him, and he was alright, he was normal. Shri Mataji: So I rang up that Patanjali and I said, “You are such a fool , that you sent them to Me. You were suffering from the disease. Do you want Me to put the disease into them or what?” So he said, “I told them that you were against it, but they said they want to see. ” I said, now these three fools , send them back. And never send such people to Me because I have to tell them the truth. Now they came all the way flying to India, you know? Just to get this nonsense. It's very easy, to move this from here to there. What is wrong, you can use your hands. Why do you want to do it invisibly? Someone: Curiosity Shri Mataji: Curiosity, must have some wisdom in it. You see, curiosity without wisdom, can be very dangerous. Must have wisdom. First, you know, what is the interest of God in moving you from here to there? What’s the [Unclear, use] Shri Mataji: You understand? [Unclear] First thing and first test we must do. What is the interest of God? Supposing we have to ask God something, what are we going to ask? We ask [Unclear supreme]. Because you are asking for something nonsensical, you’re getting all these nonsensical things. Depends on what shop you want to go in. If you have to come to Me, and ask for the supreme. I can’t give you this third grade [Unclear]. Alright? [1:48:00] Someone: Do you mind me asking what everybody is staring [Unclear] Any instructions to take me to things ? Shri Mataji: Here? Someone: No, [unclear] , particularly what we’re going to [Unclear make/be doing]. Shri Mataji: Alright. Just now, I’m getting you alright. In the sense that you should feel the vibrations yourself, you should get the realization completely, you should be cured. Once it is done, then I’ll teach you, and you are going to do the same. Because what you’ll be doing, it's flowing from Me. [unclear] You just manoeuvre it. And you understand how it flows. In my next lecture, I’m going to tell you all about the mechanism. I’m not going to hide anything from you. Nothing. I’m going to tell you everything. But you should be capable of understanding it. Once you are developed that capability, gradually I’m going to tell you each and everything . I’m not going to hide anything from you. Take it from Me. I’ve come here to tell you everything. Everything I will tell you. Someone: How long have you been [Unclear here]? Shri Mataji: Four years. Seeking for you people. Can you believe it? [Indistinct conversation] [1:50:50] Shri Mataji: One thing you must know is that by doing anything you cannot get [Unclear in/it]. You have to become [Unclear something]. By doing [unclear] you have to become. [Indistinct conversation] [1:55:30] Shri Mataji: You see, like mushrooms, [Unclear] appear in the rainy season. In this Kali-yuga , all these horrible people have suddenly come. [unclear] Man: [Unclear what do you see/seek] in the future? Shri Mataji: Future is going to be [Unclear grand]. Already started! Already started. By the time, 1980, you will see that you have entered the kingdom of God completely. Already entered. But then you will feel. Man: [Unclear] all people? Shri Mataji: [Unclear, ?Not all people] you think Hitler should get realization? These all of them are of the same style even worse than him, worse than him, all these. Man: All the guru? Shri Mataji: All these. Most of them. They are not gurus. They’re rakshasas, demons. Satanic [unclear] Man: Why [Unclear are they like that]? Shri Mataji: You see, in their freedom they choose that. Human beings have been given freedom. Alright? You have to be given freedom because of your evolution. When you are a child, you have told [Unclear what is good]. When you grow up, then what happens, you can be understanding what is [Unclear]. Then you are [Unclear, given a] problem to solve. In the same way, the problem of life also [Unclear is needed/ is given to you] to be solved. In that, some of you became asuras, rakshasas. Man: [Unclear What is that]? Shri Mataji: Horrible, [unclear] satanic. Man: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Karma? That’s what I said. That who does the karmas is (?the pure) ego. Man: Ego is the thing that wants to get out? Shri Mataji: Ego [Unclear]. Especially given to you. To try. Like as we try an electrical thing on a battery, separately first, before putting it into the mains, alright? This ego is to be discarded later. Man: You don’t seem like you haven’t got an ego. Shri Mataji: I don’t seem? Man: I don’t mean to say that [Unclear] Shri Mataji: But you think I have got ego? I have. I’m the complete ego. When Christ said, “I am the light, I am the path.”, was he egoistical? [Unclear, Because he was]. But I’m not conscious of it. Whatever I am, that I am. I have to say that. But I would say no. , why? Not because I should not, but because I’m very clever. I don’t want to get crucified [Unclear] Shri Mataji: I should say that! I should say much more than that! Like Krishna has said, “Sarva dharmana parityajya mam ekam saranam”. Give up everything else and come at my feet and surrender. He was egoistical if you say that way, isn’t it? What is there is the fact. That has to be told. Actually, I’ve never been that way. I should have been much more. That’d be much better. But I thought that it’s wiser, not to go that much. You see, first, you appear like a very simple woman. So, I put an illusion on Me. Of a very quiet, shy person. [Unclear, so it was] another illusion. Sometimes behave like an [Unclear, idiot]. So they feel alright. Because your egos are so developed, that I do touch here, there, anywhere you see, suddenly - whooom! [Unclear] come back on Me. (Shri Mataji is laughing) Shri Mataji: I’m very clever, that’s the point. [Unclear] these people will think that [unclear, they are] humblest possible ever born. Humblest, [Unclear not] doing so much [Unclear bad]. [Unclear Maharshi]. You’d think, oh the humblest man, nothing against him, [Unclear very nice]. All drama. [Unclear] Woman: [Unclear] When I first saw you, on Monday, I thought you’d be quite gentle. But when you started speaking, you were so full of energy. Fantastic. (Laughter) Shri Mataji: I have too much of it. I have been very gentle in my previous lives. Absolutely gentle that people [Unclear, do not know even who I was]. But today that’s not the time. Here I have to speak. Woman: I wish I had so much energy. Shri Mataji: You will. You will one day. You will have to have that. Yes, you must have. HA! (... Silence …) Shri Mataji: Perfection is still not [unclear, happy] what is it? (a man laugh) Shri Mataji: [unclear, somebody is sitting on your head? What’s it/watch it? Shri Mataji is still working on people: All the super-ego. HA! Yogi: Left Sahasrara [unclear] opening now. [Indistinct conversation] [2:02:40] Shri Mataji: You are alright? The same? The hole between ego and superego. I’m going to tell you about that in my lecture, alright? . Let, - all of you, I’m going to tell you where your attention goes, in between the ego and superego. You start seeing yourself both that as conditioning one side and another side hole is [unclear, clouds] . How they have crossed each other, can you see that? That’s why you see on the left-hand side, the ego has come up. Right-hand side is the superego. Man: Is this something happening to me? Or are you trying to do something to me? While I’m getting stuck in ego or super-ego, I think. Shri Mataji: No, you must come out from the centres here. You should be baptized, you see? Now the balance is that your ego has covered this side and pushed back, see? This ego is covering up this way, and I’m trying to push it back a little so that there is a space in between. . [2:04:00] Shri Mataji: HA! [unclear] the Kundalini [unclear, rise up]. The pressure has gone out.

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1977-1030 Workshop Part 1, Finchley Ashram Hah, Did you get cool in your hand? Raised their Kundalini? ....(affirmation from a Sahaj yogini).. Congratulations....What about you, Did you get cool in your hand? Yes (affirmation from the new seeker male). ..Just see.. What about you Mandy? Good good (inaudible) you and David.. come along both of you, I will work on your Agnya. Your Agnyas are caught up. Hmm (Music continues) it is morning raga? Mother we have exhausted our …(not clear) Again I will be making it to France? Now what's wrong? Did you get cool breeze? There there, on the left side. Feeling better Hmm. Better now, rest for a while. Keep yourself alert. But give yourself into Bandhan. All of you. (04.30) Ha . Ha. Better now, better? (Affirmation from Sahaj yogini). Yes, absolutely 100%. Hah see. Ha ha ha ha (mother laughing) so nice all of you. there...over to you.... now you are alright. Mandy- (this is very small). That's all right but I just vibrated you see (inaudible conversation between Mandy and Mother) Mandy - I was working before in France on Friday...Mother- The are Greek? Mandy- No Spanish (Not clear…..) Are you sure? If you don’t mind take it out. Rocks every Dick Tom and Harry gives. Also, with what heart you are making. You cannot sell God. Can you sell God? What could be more insulting than this? Selling God. Making money out of him. (Music Continues, whispering) Now better? See the vibrations. …..laughter…Indian restaurant, hu? Indian restaurant. Horrible. Never eat there. They have the worst record for left Nabhi. He must have had his dinner and he had some. Both of you say sorry ( to Indian Sahaja yogis, jokingly) Laughter, Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. You Know that Shaiza. Terrible. …(music continues). Mother say in Hindi. हम लोग तो नाक रगड चुके हैं. (We have pleaded them already to make better food) …. (Indian Sahaja yogini) यहाँ भी पकाते हैं बिल्कुल गंदा (They cook very bad food) (Mother) 420 Number है. (implying they are fraudsters). If they it in India they would be thrown away. They are corrupt that’s why they are here. (Indian Sahaja yogini laughing) There they would have sort of burnt up the restaurant. Beaten up the Manager. (Music Continues) ha better, getting out This is exhausting, better now? See this is the fifth…(not clear), Left Nabhi, put his hand on the left side . First of all go and beat the restaurant. (13.37) This one is …….you are not. That one is …… you are not, Why should you? See the left Nabhi. (Inaudible). Just imagine they are afraid of love. Did you lead any celibate life, before you are married? (Seeker – Totally, but we are not getting into it. …(Inaudible)… You don’t believe him, did you say I am married. Don’t believe him believe yourself, because all this searching, all this is going on To say that all the blabbering about Hath Yoga is going on…. Nobody talks about Yama, To say that there should be absolute abstinence. So nobody talks about this and this is just putting the whole thing in perspective…. ( not clear) It’s very easy to clean that way (Not Clear) , alright. (Not Clear) That’s why you get up late. He is still very young. I don’t blame him, it’s the society’s fault. Haa. Much cooler, Huh? Much cooler. …(Inaudible). Your Mother has hurt you, isn’t it? Now when we are hurt like that, we should resolve, but we will not do that, we never do that. It’s wrong. We have to have society, we should have families, where children can feel loved all the time (Inaudible), all the time and where children feel that parents are interested only in them and in other people, running about and all this. You see that thing hurts you completely. It’s so hurting that your mother gets so much involved in non-sensical things. And that you should never do that. That resolves, the first thing. Then for that what should we do? (Inaudible)…and have a beautiful life,( not clear) have nice family and nice children, where they grow in all compassion and love and more security. And when they grow up, they give love. There should such a society and such a family is necessary, and so we have to resolve ourselves. If we are not pure people, if we have carrying on with ten women, we can never have a good life. Why should you, She is used to ten men. You are going to ten Women. You can never make a good husband and wife. You can never become good parents. These habits you have developed at such a young age, they have carried on. We have seen even old men of eighty years, I find them so immature, so foolish and stupid absolutely stupid fellows there. They have gone eighty year old now, ninety-year-old men they are ( not clear) with legs in their grave, they are so stupid, you cannot imagine. What God must be thinking about these horrid people, why he created them, stupid old folks I call them. (laughter) I don’t know what to say whether to laugh or to cry, the way these people are, they have wasted all their lives 80 90 years and now they are going into their grave, what is the use of such horrible people? They give news (obituary) to the newspapers. Newspapers publish it. All the people try to copy them. They are such bad models for us. But at least let us make a start. Let us know that the joy and happiness starts in our families. Are we going to be goods parents? Are we going to be good to others? Are we going to be good children? Whatever we have suffered our children should not suffer. Isn’t it? We have to see maximum…(Inaudible) ( 19 Mins, 41 Sec) Baba such a bad Agnya, (Not Clear) Buddha all these were angry. Just imagine what you have, we have a model given by Christ, I just don’t say about adult people, but he said you must not have even adulterous eyes! And it’s very true, I mean if you have adulterous yes you catch a very bad Agnya. What’s the use of looking at everyone? You see, it is like a man who we call a libru ( not clear) who sees everything through his lips. something like that. It shows no personality, , it shows no ( not clear), it shows no understanding, why should we waste our (inaudible) what’s the use?.. The nature is so beautiful. Even when you look at women you should see that she is the mother of some children. It is kind of a possessive nature about women with lust, it’s not going to give you any strength, its going to sap you. You don’t know after some time, even if you don’t want to look, your eyes will be there. You cannot stop yourself. In the beginning, it will be your own movement, after some time you will find automatically your eyes will be going out, even if you don’t want. Even if you want to concentrate, you cannot concentrate. Your eyes will be there. Anybody passing, your eyes will be there, even if you didn’t want to see. You must watch yourself you see, such an energy is lost. Apart from that your eyes are absorbing from everyone, something. Now he is absorbing from me love, his Agnya is opening out. May be there is some devil there and he is looking at that person and absorbing something devilish also. As you can absorb good, you can absorb bad also. You can take in Nector, you can also take in poison. So you see you have no discrimination. Like you look at these all these things, moreover, however, the whole system is made in a manner, they have all these machines, they are making a lot of things, they must sell, they must sell all their weaknesses. So they are weakening the whole system. (Not Clear). Say this Ashram, there are twenty-five people. Somebody is carrying on with another’s wife and somebody is carrying on with another’s husband. How can you do Sahaja Yoga? (laughter) And you see for me a love letter will be coming, any problem…(inaudible)and you have a fight amongst Sahaja yogis, and all the girls ran away from the Ashram. Even in the family, in the family they were staying in Surrey, ( Not Clear). She had three children, children were in school or college wherever they were. She ran away with another young man, French. Her son was maybe 22. And in college and she ran away with another young man. Such a silly woman In Indian no woman can think like that. I mean see we cannot think like that, and they say you are naïve, you are not enjoying life you are not free. Is it freedom? It is enslavement completely. This is absolute enslavement I tell you, complete enslavement and this weaknesses such that you can’t see. You think, oh you have ten women around, but you don’t understand you have enslaved yourself. Without women you feel that you are lost. At the age of 45, 50 or 70 man starts trying to look younger. He is such a slave. That will happen to all of you, because you have not grown up to your age. If you grown up to your age, you stand with your age. You must mature a little bit. It’s better. And to be mature is greater than being childish. But that’s what happens. You behave like young boys of sixteen years and behaving in a way to show that you are very young. It is so silly. What’s the use of wasting your life? Your precious life, a Human life. After how many evolutionary stages, you have become a human being. It is being wasted, in stupidity like Donkeys. Even Donkeys are not that stupid, I would say. I haven’t seen any animal being that stupid, I haven’t seen any animal. Can you name anyone? (24 Mins 47 Sec) So, we have to mature and we have not to accept anything stupid. Gradually in Sahaja Yoga we will laugh at these things, many things happen and this silliness going on. (Not Clear). And in their norms, in the way the things that we did, the way we create atmosphere, and we condemn, say if a girl is not having a boyfriend, they condemn. Non sense! Why should you? Why should you have a boyfriend? I don’t understand, there is no need. Either you have a husband or you don’t have anything like that. It’s a relationship where you value utmost privacy( not clear). It is a law of nature. It’s the sustenance of the human being. If it was not, see reason it. Everything, you are not …..(Not clear) supposing, it is not so, then why there is jealousy? Why are we jealous? Alright forget about jealousy, I am seeing people get rid of jealousy at any stage, even if people have no conscious, still there is jealousy (not clear) see why there are diseases? Why diseases come out of this ( not clear). Here on the streets you will find people kissing each other, if you ask where are they going, they will say they are going for Divorce. There is a divorce case, (laughter) on the streets they will be showing their love and they are going for divorce. You decide for one person, a marriage. (26.35) And marriage is very big blessing. You have to understand that also. Marriage is. See now, look at him. How he feels about his mother. Why? Why, if they thinks deeply, marriage is a sanctity. It’s collective acceptance. So many people have attended the wedding, they have seen my mother, they have seen my father being married, it’s a collective acceptance and this collective acceptance has been denied, and that is something which, whatever is collective within you, is making you be( not clear), it shines. You feel little ashamed of you. It’s a fact. Why do you feel so? Because it has been collective accepted as something (not clear), even under these circumstances, I have seen people seeing a bride being very happy. Why? It is a natural thing. You see a bride, you see on the road you stop, (not clear), because she has been collectively accepted. Collectiveness is the point. You see if we are accepting something collectively, that means this collective acceptance. It is coming to us from the collective consciousness, from the collective unconsciousness as they call it. But for you it is collective conscious, because now you are collective conscious, but for others it is the collective unconscious. So the collective unconscious come and blesses at that time through everybody. Because all of them are there. They are all Blessed. I will tell you. I am sitting down, I am just the same, I am just the same. (unclear) Why? Because you are the channels. (unclear) you see when there is a Bhoot, you must have felt in the thought, tremendous vibrations, because of so many people there. The more chitta people are there, greater amount of channels. Like when there are many lights, so you can enlighten many lights. (unclear). It’s like that only. So it is a collective acceptance, that’s why the marriage Which is Holy, is to be done. Christ was a celibate person. He attended a wedding. He didn’t become a Sadhu, Sanyasi and went away somewhere. Nothing. He attended a wedding. Not only that, but he saw to it that the whole thing was done very well and everybody was very well and was happy. You won’t do any harms, when husband and wife are happily married. The way a cyclone moves (not clear). You see husband and wife are nicely married. And the children are nice. You feel so happy. But will you a happy in a house where wife is (not clear) certain place I forgot. (29 Mins, 31 Sec) It is to be understood, it’s a deeper feel. Normally people will say what’s wrong? What’s wrong is the thing that your mooladhara chakra itself catches you. Mooladhara chakra is where there is red Chakra. On that Shri Ganesha resides. It’s the same who becomes Christ later. But he is there in that place. He is the one who is looking after the protocol of the mother. If you try to do anything through the sex, its wrong, that’s why they say this happened, that thing happened. It’s very dangerous. Because of all this nonsense. They will touch your private parts and try to do nonsensical things and they ask you to (not clear). That's your mother! What an insult to touch your mother that way through your sex. It’s like that. It’s an abuse. It is the worst sin that you can do is to think like that, imagine it's a horrid thing. That is what it is, and when they do it, they get into all these problems. They spoil. You see they are such experts now, some more experts at Mooladhara, some are experts at Nabhi, some are experts at Vishudhhi, some are experts at Swadishthan. And that’s how they are spoiling one by one. Somebody is spoiling someone’s Agnya, Somebody is spoiling Mooladhara, So that once you spoil them, your chakras, you can never have your self-realisation. You cannot go through another transformation. You have to become a devil. They want you to become a devil, that's what they want. That’s what they want to achieve. (31.24) I have to tell you all this, and you have to make yourself in such a manner to let this work of God to be accomplished. It is working you see, for example, when you are to be born immediately your mother’s breasts start giving milk. (Unclear) Even before you are there it is there in the blood supply, even before you were born, it is already, the breasts are prepared. He looks after you in every way. These Rakshasas would have finished you if there was not God’s dominance. In his domain, it is his power that protects you. These people cut him short, they try to entice you, because of your acceptance of the evil things are getting spoilt. If you accept his domain then you will be surprised, at every moment, at every curve he’s manifesting, you'll be amazed how he manifests, how he works it out. But you make yourself available first. Make yourself available in such a way that his power is easily manifested. His power is not wasted out. (33.07) For example, supposing in this candle, in this wax there is water, or if the wick is half, half-finished, it cannot burn. How can you use this one? Only thing what you have to do is to make the wick all right, wax alright, he will light and in that light you will see that he works everything out. Everything whatsoever. You only do what you can do and you should thank God for his blessings that he has made you humans. You are the ones, that he has made humans. (unclear). Every moment you see and you will be surprised, how _____(not clear), but his sovereignty must be accepted and you should be available. For example if you are working in London, you know____, you know there are laws working. You do something wrong, you are found, you are caught, you know there is something going on. It’s not anarchy everywhere. In the same way when you enter into the Kingdom of God, every moment, he’s acting every moment. ____(not clear) But if you're not ready for that, you are not helped. You have to make yourself available for that. For his power to work, his power, his silent power works. (34.47). (Flute Music continues) Now, this is not only a living process, when I say it’s living process, people think a living process, for example a seed is being sprouted. Yes, that’s all for analogy, because nothing is higher than human being for me to explain so I take as an analogy a seed, I say. But when I say seed I don’t mean your seed is the same, because you are more than a seed. You have emotions, you have a mental faculty. So, when I say it is a loving process, then you understand, that it is also the process which also makes you aware of the love that you have and your mental capacities. Supposing you are all the time with your mind, trying to create thoughts which are against righteousness, which are wrong then this will not work out. Your mind has to be surrendered mind. Mind has to be accepting his greatness, his commandments and his ideas, not your ideas, not your conceptions about him. Accepting oh Lord, ___(not clear) gives us wisdom. That humbled, mind that kind of a mind is the best. Then your heart and it’s emotions also, for the loving process it is necessary there your heart is simple. Should be clear hearted person, in the heart. In your heart all the time if you thoughts about sex or other things, but if you keeping your attention on how to be kind, how to be compassionate to your fellow men first, then you will find that it will work out faster, manifesting His love. Some people it works out fast, some people it does not. Physically also it is important. If you have harmed your body in some way, in your body there is a problem or you are sick, you are eating something wrong, then also it will not work out easily. It is such a subtle happening. (37.51) You see as soon as he came in, he is a good SahajaYogi no doubt, he had his right Nabhi, err, his left Nabi caught. It is a very bad thing. That means before going to the restaurant, if he had seen its vibrations, even entering the restaurant he should have put a Bandhan, and he should have put a Bandhan on the fellow who brought food, and put a Bandhan on the food itself, on all that you eat, you would not have got the problem. Now it will go away, no doubt, but next time he will remember now. As soon as he came here, he got his left Nabi caught up, he’s not sorry about it because he knows that is a mistake he made. He’s not afraid to tell it, he is not angry, because he is not his chakras, his attention is away from his Chakras. When you become the light, you’re not worried about the lamp. You are the light, you are seeing that. This is wrong, this wax has got here little bit water, it is not burning properly. Because you are the light, your attention is on the light and not on the lamp. (not clear). (38.59) When you are in the wax, then your attention ____(not clear) . If your attention is on the self, then you are the one with collective consciousness and that's what it is. But it does not work by giving lectures. If I give you lectures, you see this is not going to work out. No use of arguments also, nothing. See by argument also it will not work out. What am I arguing about? Nothing. It’s working out. Just working out. Only thing is if you see it working out, you should see it manifesting, along with your mind. You mind will start all kind of thoughts. I have seen. I have seen. When you see your mind will still go on like that. If you have an Agnya, that’s a very natural one, it will argue. How can this be? How can that be? How can this be? You say now shut up for some time. You have seen it with your own eyes. I have had an experience. (40.16) For example, if I say Vishnu. What have you got in mind? His four hands with Gada, weapon, Conch and he’s standing like this and you see him. Immediately the idea of Vishnu comes. Your mind understands that Vishnu word means such and such deity, that’s all. Maybe you will listen to my lecture, maybe you will also know that he is in the Nabhi, but as far as this knowledge goes, you can get it from any book. If you read any Sanskrit book, you can get it. All these things you will find it there, but still it is not an integrated knowledge you have. It is not a loving knowledge you have. With a loving knowledge, what happens it's an experience. It's an experience, for example, for the one who is suffering from the Nabi chakra, if you take Vishnu's name, immediately it will be alright. Then you are going to believe him. That belief is integrated knowledge because it is an experience. Without experience how are you going to believe him? That’s what is combined and crowned by experience is loving knowledge. It is a knowledge which becomes your love. You cannot defy from that. Because you have seen it. You have known it. How can anyone deny it? You cannot. Because you have practised it. You have practised it. So one thing you have to do is to practise SahajaYoga. Unless until you practise it, it is not going to be come your loving knowledge. Practise it and you may see you may just settle. You will be amazed how it works, very much amazed. First of all it will be odd but you will see how Sahaja it becomes. It becomes your experience, your complete experience. __(not clear) (42.22) It becomes an experience with you. Once you have absolutely experienced it, you develop that knowledge, then the doubtless awareness, that is the Nirvikalpa samadhi starts. First is the thoughtless awareness. There is no thought in your mind. But to become the Nirvikalpa, the doubtless awareness. It is Big name. What is so great about Nirvikalpa? Nothing so great if somebody can do it. Only thing is that you have to experience it. Start spending, experimenting. First doubts will be coming definitely. First Nirvichara will come, doubts will come, how can be it be so simple? how can be it be so simple? Can be. If somebody knows the job, can be why not. You see when I was young very small, that time we could never think that human beings can go to the moon. Even today If you go and tell my grandmother, when we told her, ______(not clear), she said not possible, When we showed her these photographs she _____(not clear) will not believe it. She will say it’s a drama. She will not believe it’s true. In the same way, the time has come, if somebody who knows the job, can achieve it, but one thing is there you should cooperate, then it works out. (43.59) Music continues Its gone now. It’s clear now, don’t catch it now. For Agnya best thing is to put water on your thoughts, say one thought arises you say shut up now, I know where it is coming from. Then you start seeing them, actually. You see a black spot here. This is the one to be taken out. Just dry them out. Very easy to dry them out. If you just decide, this is the truth I have found out, now get out. They're afraid of you, they're afraid of light. (44.56) ____(Not clear). ha put it to the left {noises of door creaking music et cetera,} Ha alright. {Noises of door clicking noises of vehicles coming from outside} (46.47) Just see the Daag ( दाग - Means Black spot in Hindi). Just see how about your black ( spots) Is it gone now it’s gone. Still coming? (seeker yes Still coming). Alright let you go and shower. But in your mind you see you try to be more at rest, try to go to thoughtless awareness instead of fighting, go to thoughtless awareness. No need to fight just go on to thoughtless awareness.(47.22) (A seeker asking a question) Mother in the morning when I was meditating, I saw a creative force, yes sacred. Is it part of some plan, so in effect contraception goes against the plan the natural State? (Shri Mataji) Correct! Absolutely correct 100 marks! You see I tell you it’s very easy to justify what you said. You said about contraception, I talked to them about this population and all that. ___(unclear, some Sahaja yogini talking to mother). (48.51) Alright, you see the population, let's say you have a heap of filth and dirt put together, then you will get lots of mosquitoes flies, bugs, worms everything, everything, isn’t it? You make that spot absolutely clean and you won’t get anything. Why? Because, those horrible things these parasites are not interested in a clean place. Why don’t they come there? Because they don’t like that. In the same way the world has become so filthy, that all the parasites are taking birth. Even some of them are flies as humans, some are mosquitoes, some are scorpions. In man you will find a scorpion, a Lion and a Horse and a dog and a Fox, everything put together. (Slight laughter, Clap) God knows what thing will come out when. So, so many of them are taking birth and they become, they form a major portion of our population. The worst are born in country where all kinds of licentiousness, ugliness, theft, corruption or I mean all kinds of these so-called freedom is there. Naturally, you see they will not be born in a country where these things are not appreciated. They would not like to be born. (50.41) All the dogs of the world maybe born in a country where there could be good dogs in human form. And you see, in the same way, all the cats who were thieving may be born in a country, where thieving is there. Like our country India, as humans. (Slight Laughter) So, all these animals are taking birth and that’s why this animal style behaviour of the society. But at the same time when there is greatest filth, Lotus is also born in the same place because that is the God’s help. Because, he puts one Lotus in the place or in that mud which blooms and enlightens the whole place, saves the whole place. So, the saints are also born. One extreme is that, there is the greatest filth and the worst possible things are born and on the other side the saints are also born. And the saints are the one who are seeking. Those who are seeking God, are all Saints, otherwise they would be seeking all the mud and the muck. But they are seeking God. They are seeking something divine. So, all the people who are seeking are the Saints. So many saints were never born on this mother earth, as they are born now and so many rogues were also never born. All the Rakshasas, all these Devils who used to be born after one thousand years or so, at least there used to be 500 years or so. But now all of them have been born now especially from the last I think thirty forty years they have been taking birth. And such great saints are born these days, you have no idea. Within 10 years you will see how many great Saints will be coming up, because they’re still young boys. Absolutely ___. They know everything about Kundalini, they know about me and all that. Such superior class of people are taking birth. You are also saints because you are seeking. What is the definition of a Saint? A saint is the one who seeks. And the one who has sought, the one who has found it, has been blessed, is a realised soul. (53.36) But it was also promised that only in Kaliyuga you will get this. It was promised. There was a Nala Damyanti story. Where Nala was destroyed and troubled and very much tortured by Kaliyuga. Kali means the one who has started this horrible modern times. And his habit is to make everyone miserable. So, once with this meditation power Nala found him. His wife had departed, I mean he suffered a lot. So he found him somewhere He caught hold of him and told him that I am going to destroy you with my powers, permanently to ashes. So Kaliyuga said alright you can do that, (telling a Sahaja yogi. Please sit down there, be comfortable alright, I am holding this in my hand, alright ) He said, I you will be destroyed and I am going to destroy you. He said, alright you destroy, but let me tell you my glory my mahatmyam, there is something about me also. Nala said, what is your glory? He said when my time comes, when Kaliyuga is there. (54.53) You see we have four Yugas. Satyuga, Dwapar, Treta and Kaliyuga. There are four yugas. This is the fourth Yuga. At this time when the Kaliyuga comes, that time a (long pause Shri Mataji pauses, as if to say I will be born) a ___dic(not clear) will be born, , who will give salvation to many of these Saints who are roaming in the jungles. This he said about, even before Krishna, say ten thousand years, it was promised, even earlier than that, earlier than Rama. So alright Kali said, these Saints who are seeking God they will achieve their realisation during Kaliyuga. And that’s how it has worked out. (55.49) Because you see to see something in its dark condition, and its complete truth, it has to be in its extremes. So, the worst possible sins are committed, worst possible, there was never in the whole history such sins so rampant. Some sins used to do, few people used to do, public used to denounce, but here publicly it is being accepted. People are fighting for non-sensical things. See all this is happening in the modern times, when the Saints are also born. They want to seek God. Alright, what these people(devils) decide, they spoil the saints, as soon as they are born, they are hit. For example, this boy who came in the other day, what's his name? Alex. Alex is one boy, who was really a saint boy. He was hit at the ___(not clear). Her son was a real saint who was born. He has a real ardent desire to see God and he was hit. I mean all of you were hit by some way or the other. Then who remained whatsoever, then these gurus came in and the spoiled your Agnya, mooladhara, every chakra they have spoiled. That’s how they have managed. (57.09) Now, to gather all the Saints it is so difficult. They are so misidentified. If you talk to them about anything, suddenly they will get up. We are not__(not clear) don’t talk about celibacy. We had some boys with us before, young boys in Ashram, very young 16 or 18, when I told them that at this age you cannot go for sex or get married. At the age of thirteen years a girl went for ____ and she said no mother I can’t. Imagine at the innocent age of thirteen. And then she couldn’t continue Sahaja yoga. What a shame. What a shame. All her lives she has worked so hard. Because her mother gave her a pill at the age of thirteen years. Her mother did not want to take the responsibility. That you can have it. So, it started. Even now if you can stop it, even now if you can put your attention, you will learn. You have been seeking for ages. You are not going to be satisfied. You have to find it. You have to find it. You will be most unhappy person, if you do not follow it. You have to do this only. Nothing you will be seeking. This is what you are. You will not be satisfied with anything superficial. Today you will go to some Guru, after 10 years you will come back, after 10 years you will come back all spoiled. This is what you must ask. Because this is what reality is. Of course, there are desires, there are things within you, they will all be fulfilled but in a sanctified manner. It should be in a sanctified manner. Then you will enjoy. Supposing you are a thief and you have a lot of money. You cannot enjoy. But if you earn with your sanctity, even Say Ten pounds, it's worth something. You will really enjoy it without any guilt, without any stigma about it. That’s what it is. You have to give up whatever is there sin, whatever sin is it to the extremes. It causes Death if you go to extremes. Be in the centre. I never say sex is not good for you, it is, but it ___(not clear). You get married, get a wife, you enjoy. Then you will enjoy a wife. What’s the use enjoying sex with say five women_(not clear). After some time at a very young age people, I have met in America people becoming impotent. Most shocking ans surprising . In India I have disciples, who are 95 years, still being are potent. They are not impotent. Absolutely fine. How have they managed. Because they are in the centre. If you to the extremes, you get destroyed. You become impotent, because that is something you’re going against your sustenance against the Nabhi. Ten Nabhis. Nabhi is the sustenance of human being. If you spoil this ten things then what happens is you become a ______(not clear). You are seeking. You are like a vessel of Gold, there is no mixture in it. You were born like that. A little bit spoiled, burnt that can be cured, but look after yourselves. Feel your own dignity, glory then fill it up with that nectar and enjoy. That’s what the God wants. He wants you to enjoy his creation. Absolutely enjoy, that’s what he wants to give. And not to fritter away your sensitivities to all these non-sensical things.

1977-1030 Workshop Part 1, Finchley Ashram Hah, Did you get cool in your hand? Raised their Kundalini? ....(affirmation from a Sahaj yogini).. Congratulations....What about you, Did you get cool in your hand? Yes (affirmation from the new seeker male). ..Just see.. What about you Mandy? Good good (inaudible) you and David.. come along both of you, I will work on your Agnya. Your Agnyas are caught up. Hmm (Music continues) it is morning raga? Mother we have exhausted our …(not clear) Again I will be making it to France? Now what's wrong? Did you get cool breeze? There there, on the left side. Feeling better Hmm. Better now, rest for a while. Keep yourself alert. But give yourself into Bandhan. All of you. (04.30) Ha . Ha. Better now, better? (Affirmation from Sahaj yogini). Yes, absolutely 100%. Hah see. Ha ha ha ha (mother laughing) so nice all of you. there...over to you.... now you are alright. Mandy- (this is very small). That's all right but I just vibrated you see (inaudible conversation between Mandy and Mother) Mandy - I was working before in France on Friday...Mother- The are Greek? Mandy- No Spanish (Not clear…..) Are you sure? If you don’t mind take it out. Rocks every Dick Tom and Harry gives. Also, with what heart you are making. You cannot sell God. Can you sell God? What could be more insulting than this? Selling God. Making money out of him. (Music Continues, whispering) Now better? See the vibrations. …..laughter…Indian restaurant, hu? Indian restaurant. Horrible. Never eat there. They have the worst record for left Nabhi. He must have had his dinner and he had some. Both of you say sorry ( to Indian Sahaja yogis, jokingly) Laughter, Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. You Know that Shaiza. Terrible. …(music continues). Mother say in Hindi. हम लोग तो नाक रगड चुके हैं. (We have pleaded them already to make better food) …. (Indian Sahaja yogini) यहाँ भी पकाते हैं बिल्कुल गंदा (They cook very bad food) (Mother) 420 Number है. (implying they are fraudsters). If they it in India they would be thrown away. They are corrupt that’s why they are here. (Indian Sahaja yogini laughing) There they would have sort of burnt up the restaurant. Beaten up the Manager. (Music Continues) ha better, getting out This is exhausting, better now? See this is the fifth…(not clear), Left Nabhi, put his hand on the left side . First of all go and beat the restaurant. (13.37) This one is …….you are not. That one is …… you are not, Why should you? See the left Nabhi. (Inaudible). Just imagine they are afraid of love. Did you lead any celibate life, before you are married? (Seeker – Totally, but we are not getting into it. …(Inaudible)… You don’t believe him, did you say I am married. Don’t believe him believe yourself, because all this searching, all this is going on To say that all the blabbering about Hath Yoga is going on…. Nobody talks about Yama, To say that there should be absolute abstinence. So nobody talks about this and this is just putting the whole thing in perspective…. ( not clear) It’s very easy to clean that way (Not Clear) , alright. (Not Clear) That’s why you get up late. He is still very young. I don’t blame him, it’s the society’s fault. Haa. Much cooler, Huh? Much cooler. …(Inaudible). Your Mother has hurt you, isn’t it? Now when we are hurt like that, we should resolve, but we will not do that, we never do that. It’s wrong. We have to have society, we should have families, where children can feel loved all the time (Inaudible), all the time and where children feel that parents are interested only in them and in other people, running about and all this. You see that thing hurts you completely. It’s so hurting that your mother gets so much involved in non-sensical things. And that you should never do that. That resolves, the first thing. Then for that what should we do? (Inaudible)…and have a beautiful life,( not clear) have nice family and nice children, where they grow in all compassion and love and more security. And when they grow up, they give love. There should such a society and such a family is necessary, and so we have to resolve ourselves. If we are not pure people, if we have carrying on with ten women, we can never have a good life. Why should you, She is used to ten men. You are going to ten Women. You can never make a good husband and wife. You can never become good parents. These habits you have developed at such a young age, they have carried on. We have seen even old men of eighty years, I find them so immature, so foolish and stupid absolutely stupid fellows there. They have gone eighty year old now, ninety-year-old men they are ( not clear) with legs in their grave, they are so stupid, you cannot imagine. What God must be thinking about these horrid people, why he created them, stupid old folks I call them. (laughter) I don’t know what to say whether to laugh or to cry, the way these people are, they have wasted all their lives 80 90 years and now they are going into their grave, what is the use of such horrible people? They give news (obituary) to the newspapers. Newspapers publish it. All the people try to copy them. They are such bad models for us. But at least let us make a start. Let us know that the joy and happiness starts in our families. Are we going to be goods parents? Are we going to be good to others? Are we going to be good children? Whatever we have suffered our children should not suffer. Isn’t it? We have to see maximum…(Inaudible) ( 19 Mins, 41 Sec) Baba such a bad Agnya, (Not Clear) Buddha all these were angry. Just imagine what you have, we have a model given by Christ, I just don’t say about adult people, but he said you must not have even adulterous eyes! And it’s very true, I mean if you have adulterous yes you catch a very bad Agnya. What’s the use of looking at everyone? You see, it is like a man who we call a libru ( not clear) who sees everything through his lips. something like that. It shows no personality, , it shows no ( not clear), it shows no understanding, why should we waste our (inaudible) what’s the use?.. The nature is so beautiful. Even when you look at women you should see that she is the mother of some children. It is kind of a possessive nature about women with lust, it’s not going to give you any strength, its going to sap you. You don’t know after some time, even if you don’t want to look, your eyes will be there. You cannot stop yourself. In the beginning, it will be your own movement, after some time you will find automatically your eyes will be going out, even if you don’t want. Even if you want to concentrate, you cannot concentrate. Your eyes will be there. Anybody passing, your eyes will be there, even if you didn’t want to see. You must watch yourself you see, such an energy is lost. Apart from that your eyes are absorbing from everyone, something. Now he is absorbing from me love, his Agnya is opening out. May be there is some devil there and he is looking at that person and absorbing something devilish also. As you can absorb good, you can absorb bad also. You can take in Nector, you can also take in poison. So you see you have no discrimination. Like you look at these all these things, moreover, however, the whole system is made in a manner, they have all these machines, they are making a lot of things, they must sell, they must sell all their weaknesses. So they are weakening the whole system. (Not Clear). Say this Ashram, there are twenty-five people. Somebody is carrying on with another’s wife and somebody is carrying on with another’s husband. How can you do Sahaja Yoga? (laughter) And you see for me a love letter will be coming, any problem…(inaudible)and you have a fight amongst Sahaja yogis, and all the girls ran away from the Ashram. Even in the family, in the family they were staying in Surrey, ( Not Clear). She had three children, children were in school or college wherever they were. She ran away with another young man, French. Her son was maybe 22. And in college and she ran away with another young man. Such a silly woman In Indian no woman can think like that. I mean see we cannot think like that, and they say you are naïve, you are not enjoying life you are not free. Is it freedom? It is enslavement completely. This is absolute enslavement I tell you, complete enslavement and this weaknesses such that you can’t see. You think, oh you have ten women around, but you don’t understand you have enslaved yourself. Without women you feel that you are lost. At the age of 45, 50 or 70 man starts trying to look younger. He is such a slave. That will happen to all of you, because you have not grown up to your age. If you grown up to your age, you stand with your age. You must mature a little bit. It’s better. And to be mature is greater than being childish. But that’s what happens. You behave like young boys of sixteen years and behaving in a way to show that you are very young. It is so silly. What’s the use of wasting your life? Your precious life, a Human life. After how many evolutionary stages, you have become a human being. It is being wasted, in stupidity like Donkeys. Even Donkeys are not that stupid, I would say. I haven’t seen any animal being that stupid, I haven’t seen any animal. Can you name anyone? (24 Mins 47 Sec) So, we have to mature and we have not to accept anything stupid. Gradually in Sahaja Yoga we will laugh at these things, many things happen and this silliness going on. (Not Clear). And in their norms, in the way the things that we did, the way we create atmosphere, and we condemn, say if a girl is not having a boyfriend, they condemn. Non sense! Why should you? Why should you have a boyfriend? I don’t understand, there is no need. Either you have a husband or you don’t have anything like that. It’s a relationship where you value utmost privacy( not clear). It is a law of nature. It’s the sustenance of the human being. If it was not, see reason it. Everything, you are not …..(Not clear) supposing, it is not so, then why there is jealousy? Why are we jealous? Alright forget about jealousy, I am seeing people get rid of jealousy at any stage, even if people have no conscious, still there is jealousy (not clear) see why there are diseases? Why diseases come out of this ( not clear). Here on the streets you will find people kissing each other, if you ask where are they going, they will say they are going for Divorce. There is a divorce case, (laughter) on the streets they will be showing their love and they are going for divorce. You decide for one person, a marriage. (26.35) And marriage is very big blessing. You have to understand that also. Marriage is. See now, look at him. How he feels about his mother. Why? Why, if they thinks deeply, marriage is a sanctity. It’s collective acceptance. So many people have attended the wedding, they have seen my mother, they have seen my father being married, it’s a collective acceptance and this collective acceptance has been denied, and that is something which, whatever is collective within you, is making you be( not clear), it shines. You feel little ashamed of you. It’s a fact. Why do you feel so? Because it has been collective accepted as something (not clear), even under these circumstances, I have seen people seeing a bride being very happy. Why? It is a natural thing. You see a bride, you see on the road you stop, (not clear), because she has been collectively accepted. Collectiveness is the point. You see if we are accepting something collectively, that means this collective acceptance. It is coming to us from the collective consciousness, from the collective unconsciousness as they call it. But for you it is collective conscious, because now you are collective conscious, but for others it is the collective unconscious. So the collective unconscious come and blesses at that time through everybody. Because all of them are there. They are all Blessed. I will tell you. I am sitting down, I am just the same, I am just the same. (unclear) Why? Because you are the channels. (unclear) you see when there is a Bhoot, you must have felt in the thought, tremendous vibrations, because of so many people there. The more chitta people are there, greater amount of channels. Like when there are many lights, so you can enlighten many lights. (unclear). It’s like that only. So it is a collective acceptance, that’s why the marriage Which is Holy, is to be done. Christ was a celibate person. He attended a wedding. He didn’t become a Sadhu, Sanyasi and went away somewhere. Nothing. He attended a wedding. Not only that, but he saw to it that the whole thing was done very well and everybody was very well and was happy. You won’t do any harms, when husband and wife are happily married. The way a cyclone moves (not clear). You see husband and wife are nicely married. And the children are nice. You feel so happy. But will you a happy in a house where wife is (not clear) certain place I forgot. (29 Mins, 31 Sec) It is to be understood, it’s a deeper feel. Normally people will say what’s wrong? What’s wrong is the thing that your mooladhara chakra itself catches you. Mooladhara chakra is where there is red Chakra. On that Shri Ganesha resides. It’s the same who becomes Christ later. But he is there in that place. He is the one who is looking after the protocol of the mother. If you try to do anything through the sex, its wrong, that’s why they say this happened, that thing happened. It’s very dangerous. Because of all this nonsense. They will touch your private parts and try to do nonsensical things and they ask you to (not clear). That's your mother! What an insult to touch your mother that way through your sex. It’s like that. It’s an abuse. It is the worst sin that you can do is to think like that, imagine it's a horrid thing. That is what it is, and when they do it, they get into all these problems. They spoil. You see they are such experts now, some more experts at Mooladhara, some are experts at Nabhi, some are experts at Vishudhhi, some are experts at Swadishthan. And that’s how they are spoiling one by one. Somebody is spoiling someone’s Agnya, Somebody is spoiling Mooladhara, So that once you spoil them, your chakras, you can never have your self-realisation. You cannot go through another transformation. You have to become a devil. They want you to become a devil, that's what they want. That’s what they want to achieve. (31.24) I have to tell you all this, and you have to make yourself in such a manner to let this work of God to be accomplished. It is working you see, for example, when you are to be born immediately your mother’s breasts start giving milk. (Unclear) Even before you are there it is there in the blood supply, even before you were born, it is already, the breasts are prepared. He looks after you in every way. These Rakshasas would have finished you if there was not God’s dominance. In his domain, it is his power that protects you. These people cut him short, they try to entice you, because of your acceptance of the evil things are getting spoilt. If you accept his domain then you will be surprised, at every moment, at every curve he’s manifesting, you'll be amazed how he manifests, how he works it out. But you make yourself available first. Make yourself available in such a way that his power is easily manifested. His power is not wasted out. (33.07) For example, supposing in this candle, in this wax there is water, or if the wick is half, half-finished, it cannot burn. How can you use this one? Only thing what you have to do is to make the wick all right, wax alright, he will light and in that light you will see that he works everything out. Everything whatsoever. You only do what you can do and you should thank God for his blessings that he has made you humans. You are the ones, that he has made humans. (unclear). Every moment you see and you will be surprised, how _____(not clear), but his sovereignty must be accepted and you should be available. For example if you are working in London, you know____, you know there are laws working. You do something wrong, you are found, you are caught, you know there is something going on. It’s not anarchy everywhere. In the same way when you enter into the Kingdom of God, every moment, he’s acting every moment. ____(not clear) But if you're not ready for that, you are not helped. You have to make yourself available for that. For his power to work, his power, his silent power works. (34.47). (Flute Music continues) Now, this is not only a living process, when I say it’s living process, people think a living process, for example a seed is being sprouted. Yes, that’s all for analogy, because nothing is higher than human being for me to explain so I take as an analogy a seed, I say. But when I say seed I don’t mean your seed is the same, because you are more than a seed. You have emotions, you have a mental faculty. So, when I say it is a loving process, then you understand, that it is also the process which also makes you aware of the love that you have and your mental capacities. Supposing you are all the time with your mind, trying to create thoughts which are against righteousness, which are wrong then this will not work out. Your mind has to be surrendered mind. Mind has to be accepting his greatness, his commandments and his ideas, not your ideas, not your conceptions about him. Accepting oh Lord, ___(not clear) gives us wisdom. That humbled, mind that kind of a mind is the best. Then your heart and it’s emotions also, for the loving process it is necessary there your heart is simple. Should be clear hearted person, in the heart. In your heart all the time if you thoughts about sex or other things, but if you keeping your attention on how to be kind, how to be compassionate to your fellow men first, then you will find that it will work out faster, manifesting His love. Some people it works out fast, some people it does not. Physically also it is important. If you have harmed your body in some way, in your body there is a problem or you are sick, you are eating something wrong, then also it will not work out easily. It is such a subtle happening. (37.51) You see as soon as he came in, he is a good SahajaYogi no doubt, he had his right Nabhi, err, his left Nabi caught. It is a very bad thing. That means before going to the restaurant, if he had seen its vibrations, even entering the restaurant he should have put a Bandhan, and he should have put a Bandhan on the fellow who brought food, and put a Bandhan on the food itself, on all that you eat, you would not have got the problem. Now it will go away, no doubt, but next time he will remember now. As soon as he came here, he got his left Nabi caught up, he’s not sorry about it because he knows that is a mistake he made. He’s not afraid to tell it, he is not angry, because he is not his chakras, his attention is away from his Chakras. When you become the light, you’re not worried about the lamp. You are the light, you are seeing that. This is wrong, this wax has got here little bit water, it is not burning properly. Because you are the light, your attention is on the light and not on the lamp. (not clear). (38.59) When you are in the wax, then your attention ____(not clear) . If your attention is on the self, then you are the one with collective consciousness and that's what it is. But it does not work by giving lectures. If I give you lectures, you see this is not going to work out. No use of arguments also, nothing. See by argument also it will not work out. What am I arguing about? Nothing. It’s working out. Just working out. Only thing is if you see it working out, you should see it manifesting, along with your mind. You mind will start all kind of thoughts. I have seen. I have seen. When you see your mind will still go on like that. If you have an Agnya, that’s a very natural one, it will argue. How can this be? How can that be? How can this be? You say now shut up for some time. You have seen it with your own eyes. I have had an experience. (40.16) For example, if I say Vishnu. What have you got in mind? His four hands with Gada, weapon, Conch and he’s standing like this and you see him. Immediately the idea of Vishnu comes. Your mind understands that Vishnu word means such and such deity, that’s all. Maybe you will listen to my lecture, maybe you will also know that he is in the Nabhi, but as far as this knowledge goes, you can get it from any book. If you read any Sanskrit book, you can get it. All these things you will find it there, but still it is not an integrated knowledge you have. It is not a loving knowledge you have. With a loving knowledge, what happens it's an experience. It's an experience, for example, for the one who is suffering from the Nabi chakra, if you take Vishnu's name, immediately it will be alright. Then you are going to believe him. That belief is integrated knowledge because it is an experience. Without experience how are you going to believe him? That’s what is combined and crowned by experience is loving knowledge. It is a knowledge which becomes your love. You cannot defy from that. Because you have seen it. You have known it. How can anyone deny it? You cannot. Because you have practised it. You have practised it. So one thing you have to do is to practise SahajaYoga. Unless until you practise it, it is not going to be come your loving knowledge. Practise it and you may see you may just settle. You will be amazed how it works, very much amazed. First of all it will be odd but you will see how Sahaja it becomes. It becomes your experience, your complete experience. __(not clear) (42.22) It becomes an experience with you. Once you have absolutely experienced it, you develop that knowledge, then the doubtless awareness, that is the Nirvikalpa samadhi starts. First is the thoughtless awareness. There is no thought in your mind. But to become the Nirvikalpa, the doubtless awareness. It is Big name. What is so great about Nirvikalpa? Nothing so great if somebody can do it. Only thing is that you have to experience it. Start spending, experimenting. First doubts will be coming definitely. First Nirvichara will come, doubts will come, how can be it be so simple? how can be it be so simple? Can be. If somebody knows the job, can be why not. You see when I was young very small, that time we could never think that human beings can go to the moon. Even today If you go and tell my grandmother, when we told her, ______(not clear), she said not possible, When we showed her these photographs she _____(not clear) will not believe it. She will say it’s a drama. She will not believe it’s true. In the same way, the time has come, if somebody who knows the job, can achieve it, but one thing is there you should cooperate, then it works out. (43.59) Music continues Its gone now. It’s clear now, don’t catch it now. For Agnya best thing is to put water on your thoughts, say one thought arises you say shut up now, I know where it is coming from. Then you start seeing them, actually. You see a black spot here. This is the one to be taken out. Just dry them out. Very easy to dry them out. If you just decide, this is the truth I have found out, now get out. They're afraid of you, they're afraid of light. (44.56) ____(Not clear). ha put it to the left {noises of door creaking music et cetera,} Ha alright. {Noises of door clicking noises of vehicles coming from outside} (46.47) Just see the Daag ( दाग - Means Black spot in Hindi). Just see how about your black ( spots) Is it gone now it’s gone. Still coming? (seeker yes Still coming). Alright let you go and shower. But in your mind you see you try to be more at rest, try to go to thoughtless awareness instead of fighting, go to thoughtless awareness. No need to fight just go on to thoughtless awareness.(47.22) (A seeker asking a question) Mother in the morning when I was meditating, I saw a creative force, yes sacred. Is it part of some plan, so in effect contraception goes against the plan the natural State? (Shri Mataji) Correct! Absolutely correct 100 marks! You see I tell you it’s very easy to justify what you said. You said about contraception, I talked to them about this population and all that. ___(unclear, some Sahaja yogini talking to mother). (48.51) Alright, you see the population, let's say you have a heap of filth and dirt put together, then you will get lots of mosquitoes flies, bugs, worms everything, everything, isn’t it? You make that spot absolutely clean and you won’t get anything. Why? Because, those horrible things these parasites are not interested in a clean place. Why don’t they come there? Because they don’t like that. In the same way the world has become so filthy, that all the parasites are taking birth. Even some of them are flies as humans, some are mosquitoes, some are scorpions. In man you will find a scorpion, a Lion and a Horse and a dog and a Fox, everything put together. (Slight laughter, Clap) God knows what thing will come out when. So, so many of them are taking birth and they become, they form a major portion of our population. The worst are born in country where all kinds of licentiousness, ugliness, theft, corruption or I mean all kinds of these so-called freedom is there. Naturally, you see they will not be born in a country where these things are not appreciated. They would not like to be born. (50.41) All the dogs of the world maybe born in a country where there could be good dogs in human form. And you see, in the same way, all the cats who were thieving may be born in a country, where thieving is there. Like our country India, as humans. (Slight Laughter) So, all these animals are taking birth and that’s why this animal style behaviour of the society. But at the same time when there is greatest filth, Lotus is also born in the same place because that is the God’s help. Because, he puts one Lotus in the place or in that mud which blooms and enlightens the whole place, saves the whole place. So, the saints are also born. One extreme is that, there is the greatest filth and the worst possible things are born and on the other side the saints are also born. And the saints are the one who are seeking. Those who are seeking God, are all Saints, otherwise they would be seeking all the mud and the muck. But they are seeking God. They are seeking something divine. So, all the people who are seeking are the Saints. So many saints were never born on this mother earth, as they are born now and so many rogues were also never born. All the Rakshasas, all these Devils who used to be born after one thousand years or so, at least there used to be 500 years or so. But now all of them have been born now especially from the last I think thirty forty years they have been taking birth. And such great saints are born these days, you have no idea. Within 10 years you will see how many great Saints will be coming up, because they’re still young boys. Absolutely ___. They know everything about Kundalini, they know about me and all that. Such superior class of people are taking birth. You are also saints because you are seeking. What is the definition of a Saint? A saint is the one who seeks. And the one who has sought, the one who has found it, has been blessed, is a realised soul. (53.36) But it was also promised that only in Kaliyuga you will get this. It was promised. There was a Nala Damyanti story. Where Nala was destroyed and troubled and very much tortured by Kaliyuga. Kali means the one who has started this horrible modern times. And his habit is to make everyone miserable. So, once with this meditation power Nala found him. His wife had departed, I mean he suffered a lot. So he found him somewhere He caught hold of him and told him that I am going to destroy you with my powers, permanently to ashes. So Kaliyuga said alright you can do that, (telling a Sahaja yogi. Please sit down there, be comfortable alright, I am holding this in my hand, alright ) He said, I you will be destroyed and I am going to destroy you. He said, alright you destroy, but let me tell you my glory my mahatmyam, there is something about me also. Nala said, what is your glory? He said when my time comes, when Kaliyuga is there. (54.53) You see we have four Yugas. Satyuga, Dwapar, Treta and Kaliyuga. There are four yugas. This is the fourth Yuga. At this time when the Kaliyuga comes, that time a (long pause Shri Mataji pauses, as if to say I will be born) a ___dic(not clear) will be born, , who will give salvation to many of these Saints who are roaming in the jungles. This he said about, even before Krishna, say ten thousand years, it was promised, even earlier than that, earlier than Rama. So alright Kali said, these Saints who are seeking God they will achieve their realisation during Kaliyuga. And that’s how it has worked out. (55.49) Because you see to see something in its dark condition, and its complete truth, it has to be in its extremes. So, the worst possible sins are committed, worst possible, there was never in the whole history such sins so rampant. Some sins used to do, few people used to do, public used to denounce, but here publicly it is being accepted. People are fighting for non-sensical things. See all this is happening in the modern times, when the Saints are also born. They want to seek God. Alright, what these people(devils) decide, they spoil the saints, as soon as they are born, they are hit. For example, this boy who came in the other day, what's his name? Alex. Alex is one boy, who was really a saint boy. He was hit at the ___(not clear). Her son was a real saint who was born. He has a real ardent desire to see God and he was hit. I mean all of you were hit by some way or the other. Then who remained whatsoever, then these gurus came in and the spoiled your Agnya, mooladhara, every chakra they have spoiled. That’s how they have managed. (57.09) Now, to gather all the Saints it is so difficult. They are so misidentified. If you talk to them about anything, suddenly they will get up. We are not__(not clear) don’t talk about celibacy. We had some boys with us before, young boys in Ashram, very young 16 or 18, when I told them that at this age you cannot go for sex or get married. At the age of thirteen years a girl went for ____ and she said no mother I can’t. Imagine at the innocent age of thirteen. And then she couldn’t continue Sahaja yoga. What a shame. What a shame. All her lives she has worked so hard. Because her mother gave her a pill at the age of thirteen years. Her mother did not want to take the responsibility. That you can have it. So, it started. Even now if you can stop it, even now if you can put your attention, you will learn. You have been seeking for ages. You are not going to be satisfied. You have to find it. You have to find it. You will be most unhappy person, if you do not follow it. You have to do this only. Nothing you will be seeking. This is what you are. You will not be satisfied with anything superficial. Today you will go to some Guru, after 10 years you will come back, after 10 years you will come back all spoiled. This is what you must ask. Because this is what reality is. Of course, there are desires, there are things within you, they will all be fulfilled but in a sanctified manner. It should be in a sanctified manner. Then you will enjoy. Supposing you are a thief and you have a lot of money. You cannot enjoy. But if you earn with your sanctity, even Say Ten pounds, it's worth something. You will really enjoy it without any guilt, without any stigma about it. That’s what it is. You have to give up whatever is there sin, whatever sin is it to the extremes. It causes Death if you go to extremes. Be in the centre. I never say sex is not good for you, it is, but it ___(not clear). You get married, get a wife, you enjoy. Then you will enjoy a wife. What’s the use enjoying sex with say five women_(not clear). After some time at a very young age people, I have met in America people becoming impotent. Most shocking ans surprising . In India I have disciples, who are 95 years, still being are potent. They are not impotent. Absolutely fine. How have they managed. Because they are in the centre. If you to the extremes, you get destroyed. You become impotent, because that is something you’re going against your sustenance against the Nabhi. Ten Nabhis. Nabhi is the sustenance of human being. If you spoil this ten things then what happens is you become a ______(not clear). You are seeking. You are like a vessel of Gold, there is no mixture in it. You were born like that. A little bit spoiled, burnt that can be cured, but look after yourselves. Feel your own dignity, glory then fill it up with that nectar and enjoy. That’s what the God wants. He wants you to enjoy his creation. Absolutely enjoy, that’s what he wants to give. And not to fritter away your sensitivities to all these non-sensical things.

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Workshop in Euston, London, Day 6, "You all are Shri Kalki", November first, 1977 [Four tape recordings; a break in the audio might exist between two sequential tapes]. [Tape 1] Shri Mataji: … And out of it right now. See, but we take it for granted because it’s God obliged [unsure], it’s all right, we don’t know how God has made it and how marvellous it is. In the same way, if this is a living process and it’s the most important thing, it has to be the easiest. It has to be all built-in there. Like a switch, you have to just put on the light. But of course, there is a big mechanism behind it. That is what it is. And how they have built it, that I have told you yesterday. How they themselves chose to come down and built it up.Ha? Sahaja Yogi: Seems to be cool on the right but still catching on the Left Heart [unclear]. Shri Mataji: Now see, he is telling you, you can also tell the same thing. You have got that paper of My hand? You see, it is written on that, where do you feel, what you feel and all that. Please keep it carefully. Now, all right? Sahaja Yogi: Now I am feeling better on the right. Shri Mataji: Left Nabhi is upset you see. Very upset, ambitious. Put your attention to God, all right? Put your attention to your heart where He resides.Hm. Sit.Sahaja Yogi: Swadisthan.Shri Mataji: Right?Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear]It’s better now. [Shri Mataji is clearing out catches].Shri Mataji: What is your name?Sahaja Yogi: My name is Dani, short for Vincent.Shri Mataji: Vinny?Sahaja Yogi: Dany.Shri Mataji: Vincent?Sahaja Yogi: Vincent. Yes. Shri Mataji: All right, how is she?Sahaja Yogi: All right better.Shri Mataji: Now you are better. I say, "How you feel?" and you turn around. Now see, you should not think of all these things, wasting your energy.Sahaja Yogini: Sorry.Shri Mataji: It is all right. Wasting your energy on nonsensical things all right? So, what you have to think that it is such a great fortune, all right, to be able to get Realisation. Isn’t it? How many people have got Realisation?Sahaja Yogini: I don’t know.Very few. In this country, very few. And it is such a great source of joy and happiness.To establish it, you have to completely depend on God. Then you see, you give Him some areas, you see, for his realm to work out. As I say this, it’s being better. You see, you just allow Him to work it out. And how He solves the problems, you have seen He solved some of your problems already. It is better to get rid of people who are horrid. Sahaja Yogini: I’m having the same problem.Shri Mataji: Hm?Sahaja Yogini: It’s similar to my problem.Shri Mataji: Is it?Sahaja Yogini: Yes.[Laughter] Shri Mataji: On the left side. Just leave it alone. Leave it.Better now. Okay?Your pillow must be hard, don’t sleep on a hard pillow. Be very particular as to where you sleep. This is a very important chakra as I said, do not [inaudible].Now see.He is looking so much better already. May God bless you.You are looking so much better, I am saying.Sahaja Yogi: It is this place, you know.Shri Mataji: You are so very sweet! How you accepted Sahaja Yoga! I do not know.Sahaja Yogi: Mother, it’s [laughter].Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Shri Mataji: Now how simple you are. If you are simple, it is the easiest way.Sahaja Yogi: If you are simple. It tickles my heart, a place like this. No, there. This is very, very- this is why the first question I asked you was about the fear of the mind. Shri Mataji: It’s a horrid place you go to. Terrible places. And when you will get Realised you will feel even worse. Because you see, with this new condition that you are into, you will feel terrible, because you will be feeling it all coming from all sides attacking you.Sahaja Yogi: I feel relaxed Mother.Shri Mataji: No, you feel relaxed but when you go to that horrid place, where you have been before. Where you have been, I am saying. You will feel, sort of again being attacked more if you go near them, those people. Where you have been I am saying. He is a boy who went to TM. And he is suffering already from terrible- what do you call that?Sahaja Yogi: What is it?Shri Mataji: Skin problem. [Inaudible] It’s terrible what he has. Instead of improving it, you see, they gave him on a mantra. And that mantra that he would die with that mantra. You see, it’s like that, they are very cruel. Because they thought, it is better for such people to die so they get out of the organisation. Then they use their spirits later on. Oh, they are terrible these TM people. They want to kill people whom they can use the spirit later on. They are introducing nothing but spirits in you. Horrible people they are. Sahaja Yogini: I was going to ask you that. What happens just when our physical body dies? What do you say?Shri Mataji: Your physical body, when you die, you don’t die fully, only a part of it would die, you see, comes out like a - what you call – that portion is called as the earth element, you see, whatever is made of the earth element comes out. And the water element gradually disappears, evaporates you see, becomes smaller and smaller [inaudible].But if you are a sort of a person who is very much still desirous and not a satisfied person at all, and you have some hatreds left in you and sort of a vengeance left in you – such people, you see, don’t want to die, really, in the real sense, because they think that, "We should be somewhere in the atmosphere". So, they hang around. They do that.Sahaja Yogini: As spirits.Shri Mataji: As spirits.Sahaja Yogini: And make a nuisance of themselves.Shri Mataji: Yes, they are very busybodies.Sahaja Yogini: Right. Shri Mataji: They can be quite troublesome, they can be very harmful, they can be cruel. Some of them are monsters also. Some of them are evil geniuses. And they are all captured by these horrid people. And they use them. And they introduce these into you. And they give them names you see. They can even give the name of Jesus, they can give a name of Rama, they give this, that and all that. And they can give them this work. There is no question of transformation. No question of transformation. The only thing what they give you is a way by which there is another spirit that comes in. And then you feel a little better because the spirit is looking after you; you are like a drunken person, you see. You are like a drunken person. Your awareness is absolutely zero at that time. But another one is working through you. Your instrument is used. May God Bless You. Shri Mataji: Sharda, what time you rang up? Because I telephoned – your phone was ringing, ringing nobody was receiving.Sharda: Yes, somebody downstairs, they’re all very busy. It is actually outside my, Ravi’s flat.Shri Mataji: Ah. I was wondering how to tell you.Are you all right now?Sharda: Much better. Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji? Is there a possibility of any our chakras being possessed, by any of these spirits?Shri Mataji: What is it?Sahaja Yogi: The chakras, can they be possessed?Shri Mataji: Chakras do not. Chakras do not. But you see, what happens that the chakra is a thing made out of two sorts of things, you see: the left-hand side and the right-hand side. So, what happens, in the chakras there is deity placed inside that thing. Now it is a sort of a three-trap door, you can call it, a three-trap door. By two traps coming together, it makes a chakra, like that. And inside this is awakened, a deity sitting down there, which is working out, regulating everything. But in the beginning when you are not Realised, then the Deities are doing their job, all right? They are balancing you, they’re looking after you; everything they are doing through the parasympathetic activity, which is there all the time acting in you. But you are not aware of them at all. You are not aware of your chakras, neither you can control. Because parasympathetic you cannot control. Now, what is a parasympathetic? I will tell you. Supposing you want to increase the beat of your heart, you start running, the beat of the heart increases. But it reduces by itself. You cannot do anything about it. So, the one that reduces it, that is known as the ‘auto’ we can call it or whatever they may call it. That is the one that is done through the parasympathetic activity. It gives you the balance, it also gives you the harmony it gives you the peace and the sleep, and all those things come thought the parasympathetic. Now this parasympathetic is the central thing that I showed yesterday, the Mahalaxmi power. That is the one who is expressed outside in the gross as parasympathetic. You see, yesterday, the whole lecture turned out to be so much of incarnations that I could not talk on this medical terminology. But maybe I might be able to do it next time when I say or otherwise. Because people get bored with these scientific words also. Now these Deities which are settled down on these chakras, you see, they sleep off. If there is too much activity on both the sides, and a man in his own freedom refuses to listen to them, he goes to the extremes of one thing, they just give up. They are not bothered. At a- till one point they go on working, suggesting. Also, they make you, you know, supposing you are overdoing something. Then you feel heated up, you feel exhausted – that is the indication all coming from them. But still, you don’t listen. You go on doing bad things. You go on doing horrible things then they sleep off. So, once they sleep off, then what happens that your mind, your mind itself is a creation of these elements, you see. The mind is the creation of the elements. So, we have in the mind, ego and the superego, both the things. So, in the ego and superego, an entity can enter into your ego and superego - and through that, they act on your sympathetic nervous system. For example, if somebody enters into the ego. This fellow TM mostly puts them on the ego side. So, you see what happens: he takes up your ego, he starts working. And you feel very dynamic for a while. And you start doing a lot of work and you feel relaxed for a while because somebody else has taken your responsibility, you see. You are not doing anything. But when you are exhausted, after three-four years, you discover that you are nowhere. And you are left high and dry and that fellow disappears. And he makes you very weak. Out of proportion you work, or whatever you do is out of proportion. So, this is what happens with this TM. But he gets all the money for your work. That is what it is. So, the chakras are in a way not caught up. In the chakras, the Deities are sleeping. So, the area they get it. So, then we have to decide our chakras like this: when the Deities sleep then what happens? The chakras become like this in the sense the areas are formed. Now, these empty areas can be occupied by some other entities. Or could be even in this stage, they can be occupied, in this stage. When they are fully like this and opened out, that is the best. That stage is the best. But normally it is never so. Normally it is always - at least a minimum for Sahaja Yogis also - they have some space left like that. You see, to be absolutely Sahaja, then this is it that you leave everything to God, it will become like this. That is very difficult, very difficult.[Laughter] Sahaja Yogi: The ego fights.Shri Mataji: Ego, yes. Ego is a problem.Sahaja Yogini: Lack of faith also.Shri Mataji: That is also true.But with experience, you must have faith, you see. You try to do it, increase the area by putting more onto it, “All right, let it Mataji, let Mataji do it”. You say like that. Now it works out everything. Now, these people are doing it now. They are understanding the value of that. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, I found it rather strange, yesterday. When You were trying to raise or raising people’s Kundalini, the time I got it most strongly, I mean most strongly, You hadn’t even said a word. It was when You came in and this lady started to sing, my heart felt as if it was going to burst, and my body was going berserk. I was quite frightened.Shri Mataji: That is very true. I knew that. Because she sang this song, you see. Even now it will happen.Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Because what she sang is in my praise, you see, that is the Mahalakshmi praise. Because I am the power behind all these things, so she sang Mahalaxmi praise. And now by that, my chakras, you see, these things started - they got so excited about it and they started flowing. And I told her also, “How am I to speak now?”. Because my whole body was shaking with her. If you see, when they sing these things to Me, especially when they do my puja, it is so many vibrations. That is why the puja is to be done. But we don’t allow, you see, unless and until you are at a particular stage.Sahaja Yogini: Well, I thought I had to leave the room. Because I was about to burst. Yes, the longer you sang, the more it got like that.Singer: It’s is a long piece. I cut it short.[Laughter]Shri Mataji: Even in India, even if they say a hundred and eight names of the Goddess, they say. And I say, “Now, finished now, you receive it at least”. Because you are not yet that much sort of bigger hearts. You don’t have that bigger heart to receive all that, you see. And I think that you are not receiving all that and then I feel a little uncomfortable, here. That I am giving too much and while you are not receiving. So, then I said, "Stop it. Now it is too much". Sahaja Yogini: Then I was just going to ask you because really, I was really a kind of terrifically beating very hard and jumping about. But when I let it go and stopped feeling frightened, it stopped. And then I just got so high it was incredible. I could not believe it.[Laughter]Singer: You must understand one thing if – when I am in front of Mataji and sing, first of all, I get so choked, I can’t open my mouth. I, -it is an effort for me to sing.Sahaja Yogini: It was beautiful I thought.Shri Mataji: It is, you know, it is the happening. It is the experience. It is not just giving you a lecture, "Oh, it is very beautiful". No, no, you should feel it.Singer: It is to become as You were saying in India.Shri Mataji: To become. Becoming is the point, becoming is the point. But if you are true seekers, you all will find it. But there are some very superficial ones. You know yesterday one boy came drunk absolutely. And he was talking so foolishly. Actually, I do not know how to make out a drunk man. I really must know. Because I did not know what it is – they all told Me, "He is drunk, Mataji, he is drunk". I said "Really, is he drunk? Then take him away". He was arguing and arguing with Me.Sahaja Yogini: Who was the drunken one?Sahaja Yogi: He was a psychologist.Shri Mataji: No, no he is not a psychologist.Sahaja Yogi: No?Shri Mataji: No, he said, "I am also like a psychologist". He was drunk absolutely. Imagine coming to a meditation! He said, "I came to see what things you do here". I said, "Are you Inspector General?"[Laughter] You see, this is what we are deceiving ourselves, you see. Supposing I sit here. Supposing I say, “There is a diamond lying here”. You must come and see at least, what it is like, isn’t it? It is really too much for people. That is [inaudible].What Bogdan says that, “It’s beyond me. Now, I just can’t think about it. It is too much”. But it is so. I mean it has to be done. It has been promised to you in all the books. That this will be done. You will be taken into the Kingdom of God. Everything has been promised. Now you mean to say that God is a promise-breaker? Either the Bible or the Koran, all of them are wrong. Or they are correct, it has to happen. But when it has to happen, they just don’t believe in it.[Laughter] Sahaja Yogini: I was coming to [unclear] center. I bought a return ticket to the train. And when I got down at [unclear] center, I lost my ticket. And I searched everywhere. I couldn’t find it. I was very frightened, "Now these ticket fellows will catch me. I’m sure I’ll get into a lot of trouble and penalised". So, I prepared myself I though, "I’ll first go and apologise and tell them honestly, "Look you can search. I have bought one but I cannot find it" I prepared to pay the penalty also, whatever you charge me ". I went and stood there – not a single ticket collector, Mother. [Unclear]. I stood there for five minutes looking very guilty whether to go or to stay there. Or leave there and I said to my [unclear], "Now let me leave, if somebody is behind me, then I will stop". Nobody came. I was looking behind watching for the longest pause.Shri Mataji: How things work out, it is so remarkable.Singer: Really, how to answer this?Shri Mataji: You see, after all, God is not going to allow this Creation to be destroyed by this tomfoolery people. He is not going to allow this Creation to be destroyed. You must know. Now I will say one thing: if you go on thinking of nonsensical things, there can be some busybody around, he will enter into your head. All right? And you will start doing something foolish. You just do not allow your mind to drift like that. You give her a “limbu” [lemon], it will be a better idea, I think. You can give it in her hand for some time. All right, sit now for a while, I’ll see that.Sahaja Yogini: Thank you. Sahaja Yogi: Mataji.Shri Mataji: Yes, Binny?Sahaja Yogi: I think last night you said that the first thing was to be holy?Shri Mataji: Was made like that. See, the world was made like that. First the holiness was made. Now think if the Mother has to create something. What She will do is the protective thing, isn’t it? For her children. So, what is the best thing for her children is the holiness. So, She creates, you see, the atmosphere of holiness, to begin with. That is the first thing She created. And what is holiness? It’s the complete faith in the Mother, in the love of God isn’t it? Complete faith. Then you just do not do anything wrong. There is no temptation, nothing. You just live in that eternal peace and joy and happiness. You are not bothered about anything. That is what She created for your sense of security. For everything, She created that. But later on, humans beings lost it. All right? Because of their freedom, doesn’t matter. Once you become collectively conscious, actually in the subtle form, you get connected with that holiness which was spread out a long time back. Which is in a subtle form. Holiness is the same as love, as Divine love is. It’s the same as the truth. It’s the same as the joy. All these things put together is holiness. That is known as "Brahma tattva". It’s known as the essence of Brahma, "Brahma tattva".And Christ was made of that. Completely embodied, imagine. His body was also made "pranav". It was not made at the time when He was to be born. It was made thousands and thousands of years much before as Mahavishnu. First, He was made as Ganesha and then Ganesha was made into Mahavishnu, in which Kumara’s body also was made. See, Kumara also was brought in. Actually, it is more Kartikeya than Ganesha is. In the Christ, it is more Kartikeya.Sahaja Yogini: Kartikeya.Shri Mataji: More Kartikeya.Through vibrations [Hindi] omkara.You know any Kartikeya, Christine? Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: You know.See it. Better. [Hindi] We have got one, in the Finchley if you go, there is a big one. We have put a statue of Kartikeya. We’ll see the vibrations of that. He was specially created to kill a very bad demon. And his power was put into Ganesha, you see. And that is how Christ was created.And that too Radha created Him, re-created Him. I mean sort of, they used those. First of all, they evolved these people and then they put them together. There are eleven rudras in Christ. Eleven rudras. Eleven powers of destruction He has got. Eleven powers. Which at the end of the world, He will take them. Eleven rudras. It is not a simple thing. Christ does not mean a simple thing the way we are all over the world. [Unsure] Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji, what is the source of demons?Shri Mataji: Demons?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: Demons are human beings only, you see, most of them. At the animal stage also, they are. But more on the human styles, when they go into extremes. You see, when they go into extremes of doing things and when they become egotistical too much, or too much sly also, you see, they become demons.Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Going into the extremes, they fall out. Going into the extremes they fall out and either they go to the collective subconsciousness they fall out. This side they go to the preconsciousness and to the supra consciousness and they fall out somewhere. They are all demons.Sahaja Yogi: Are they lost forever Shri Mataji or can they also-Shri Mataji: You see, the demons are- they go to hell, like a jail it is. They pass through all that and still retain some of their problems and come back, you see. Sahaja Yogini: Mataji [unclear]. When I asked You the question about when the physical body was dead, died, what happens to your Spirit? Because we are not to end, aren’t we, as You said last night, there is no particular religion to relate to what is true too.Shri Mataji: Yes.Sahaja Yogini: Because there is a better world after. So, what does happen Mataji? What do you-Shri Mataji: I told you.Sahaja Yogini: Do you reincarnate again?Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, yes.Sahaja Yogini: Immediately.Shri Mataji: You mean, after you have gone to a proper place where you rest for a while.Sahaja Yogini: Yes, yes. And you are aware that you are there.Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. You are there aware absolutely aware, into the collective subconscious, you are there. And there you stay on. And then you come back from there, you are reborn and reborn and reborn many a times.Sahaja Yogini: Actually, revived.Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. You come back and evolve on this Mother Earth only. Not there.Sahaja Yogini: And eventually when you get pure enough, you can get off the-Shri Mataji: No.Sahaja Yogini: That syphon.Shri Mataji: I would say – you would say that first, you evolve from the animal [stage] to human beings you are getting purer and purer. That means your awareness increases. But when you come to the stage of the human being as you are today – now we have immediately jumped. This is the first time, in your own awareness, you have realised that you have jumped into a new awareness. First time.Before this, everything was done without your knowledge. From amoeba to the human stage.Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Now at the human stage only, you realise that you have jumped into a new awareness. Because that is the reason, because God wanted you to know this! That is why He gave you freedom. Sahaja Yogini: So, what is the next step?Shri Mataji: Next step is doubtless awareness. In which there are no doubts in your mind, nothing – but you remain in complete joy and you start doing even [unclear].Sahaja Yogini: Even while we are here on Earth?Shri Mataji: Oh! Very much.Sahaja Yogini: In our body?Shri Mataji: Oh, of course. Of course. And after that, you go into complete Self-realisation. That is, sitting down here you just feel, “I Am”. That is all. You move about in the whole world it seems like a drama going on. You are not bothered. And then you start controlling the elements also at that stage. Then there is God’s realisation into which you can jump into. Let us see how far you people are willing to go. I am with you. We will work it down together. Sahaja Yogini: You see, Shri Mataji, I hope you don’t mind me asking You.Shri Mataji: No, not at all, not at all.Sahaja Yogini: I want to ask You, cause it’s too worrying, all right? The thing is when you get Self-realised, and if what happens, happens like it has been happening to me, rightly. And you obviously recognise everything else outside is kind of not really real – but a kind of waking nightmare. You can still cope with it, don’t you?Shri Mataji: Yes, you’re right. Yes, because it is a drama you understand. You laugh at it and make fun of it. And you can play with it also. You see, you understand the illusion about it. But then after some time, you can create illusion also. Sahaja Yogini: When you become- you’re not attached to it, it is easier to stay detached anyway.Shri Mataji: Of course.Sahaja Yogi: Right.Shri Mataji: But only that, but you work out many things sitting down. What I am saying was, that you become connected with them in a subtle form. And you start acting on them. Sahaja Yogi: It’s like you play your flute lighter than theirs.Shri Mataji: Of course, of course.Sahaja Yogi: So, they resonate to you.Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, that’s how is it. You become an absolute flute then, you try and take tune up.Sahaja Yogini: Yes, because there are some very overpowering people. And I am thinking of the one I live with.[Shri Mataji is laughing]Sahaja Yogini: Who, when he is present, knows and negates all my feeling of joy without saying anything, it’s like he closes you up. It can be a very strong personality.Shri Mataji: They are, they are, some of them are all the time crying people also. You see, they all can be corrected. It’s due to the imbalance in them. Too much drawn towards the subconsciousness, too emotional.Sahaja Yogini: That is emotionally depressing.Shri Mataji: They think of the dead and the death and all that is gone by. And that’s horrible that is going to happen to them, that time. You can change all of them.Sahaja Yogini: I hope so.Shri Mataji: Even with my photograph. If you ask them to take a treatment of photograph as they do, they will be changing very fast. We had some people last time who come to see us. They are absolutely changed. It is quite easy. Can you put on the light? Is there any shawl around there? Nothing?[Inaudible]Shri Mataji: All right, a sweater. Shri Mataji: Vishudhi, somebody is catching.Are you better now? Now see, this is, see now, this is such a child’s play. You know what is this? This is a lemon, you know that all right. This is- has a coefficient as the same - or you can say, this has a very good meson [subatomic particle] on which Shri Ganesha can act, you see. His vibrations can be active. So, what we do through these– these can be ordered through vibrations when I put my vibrations on this, to suck in the spirits that are in other people.So, her problems are sucked into this.Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Then you take this and put it in the water [after use]. They can be dissolved. You can cut them off and they can be liberated. All things can be done with this. Instead of putting them in the pigs as Christ did it, I am putting them in a vegetarian manner.[Shri Mataji is laughing] [Shri Mataji and a Sahaja Yogini have a conversation mostly in Hindi].Shri Mataji: has three children poor thing. Left her.Sahaja Yogini: My son – there has been a big problem.Shri Mataji: What happened?Sahaja Yogini: He (her husband) had come here with a lot of money. Spent it all on women. Then he called the son, “I need four hundred pounds”. [UNCLEAR]. Said in front of everyone, “See my son is asking for money. What is a son for? Why doesn’t Ravi come himself?” Shri Mataji: All right, what happened was good.Sahaja Yogini: He is sitting at home very depressed.Shri Mataji: Why to sit depressed?Sahaja Yogini: In front of everyone, it was said.Shri Mataji: Tell them, “He did not give us a penny”.Sahaja Yogini: He is not going to say that.Shri Mataji: All right then let us stay in peace.Sahaja Yogini: He said, “Let it be”. He phoned today.Shri Mataji: Call him here. I will talk to him.Let him come anytime. What happened was good. It is good now.Sahaja Yogini: Yes, my goodness, what a behaviour.Shri Mataji: What a relief. Now you say Sharda, it is Sahaja. Otherwise, your son was not going to escape from his clutches.Sahaja Yogini: Absolutely. Is just like a lunatic. And yesterday when Your talk was going on, Mother, in the hall. I had said the day before yesterday, “We had met Mother in [UNCLEAR]”. To the mad father. When he was told he said, “I am not going to come anywhere”. And he eats like a rakshasa. Every half hour.Shri Mataji: The rakshasas have come into him.Sahaja Yogini: Every half an hour he is hungry. Something has to be given to him. So, I told Ravi, “There is some bhut inside that”.Shri Mataji: Better not, call Ravi here. Let us see.Sahaja Yogini: He was going to come today. He was tired. “Tell Mother, when can we speak?”.Shri Mataji: Take a ‘limbu’ today. Tell them. [Shri Mataji speaks back in English]. 39:05Now this, her case I will tell you. She is an Indian lady. She was married at the age of seventeen. And our Indian men are very, very oppressive type. Sometimes can be. But she did not realise he was such a monster as he was, you see. And he took to this kind of same thing as these people are doing you see, – giving mantras and this and that. He became a guru. And he was a very big crook you see, very big crook. And he took a sanyasa and made all kinds of dresses and all that. And he had a very big business. He was a very big, rich man, businessman and all that. And in that group, he used to call lots of young girls and young boys and all kinds of things he was doing. Big, big political leaders, all these people used to come. And she was the wife. She used to see all that, you see. And he would come home and beat her. She was staying upstairs and her children – she had a very intelligent boy, her son. And he also, because of all these things, the son also developed a kind of disease. What is it called? Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR].Shri Mataji: And, you see, it was very much-Sahaja Yogini: Not ordinary beating but beating with brandish also. With iron which was hot. Because they would not do homework. And he would sort of kept, I’m just telling for you to know all - He kept a teacup like that in the wrong place, that was enough. Or he went in the bathroom, had a bath and forgot to put the soap back in the tray, it was enough to be brandished.Another method of his torture was you know, the belt – take out and beat. And beating was never done quietly. It was always done in front of the servants, visitors, guests. And I used to sort of go in between and tell him, “You can beat me, but not my, not the children”. I tried to save as much as possible by taking it on me. But it hasn’t. But the sum total is, he was totally under, what you call – occultism. A lot of gurus and spoilt him. He wears black clothes and is very, very unsettled in mind. At night he used to scream at the top of his voice sometimes. And use women as his instruments. I don’t know how women become his instruments. I don’t know. I don’t know whether you know. David Lean a famous film producer had an Indian wife. She lives in Grosvenor House now. She is his instrument. Such a rich woman. David Lean had settled twenty-five million pounds on her.Shri Mataji: What is her name.Sahaja Yogini: Lean. [Leila Matkar] David Leila name. He had given her Grosvenor House flat and settled twenty-five million pounds on her. Shri Mataji: All right. He did all that and then tortured her very much. And she did not know what to do, you see. So, one day she ran away from the house, again she ran away from the house to her father’s place. And there she studied. And by studying and all that, she got a degree and all that. And she became a director in, what is it called?Sahaja Yogini: [Unclear].Shri Mataji: Handlooms. Handlooms and handicrafts. She started advising governments and things like that. Again, he came. He took her up again. And she again thought, “He is my husband” and all that. And again he was so nasty to her. Then one day she just left home and went to another friend who was a minister’s wife. But she had herself suffered a lot also. She actually, she is My disciple. And she brought her. And then after she, somehow or other, managed to get out of them and she got out. And then she came here with her son. He studied, he started accountancy. He is a very clever boy, very, very clever boy. And she also has a daughter. So, she started a business with her daughter. Now this man, when she told Me all this, I was really in so much pain. So, I said that, “This man is going to get very sick. He is going to be absolutely destroyed”.Sahaja Yogini: He is very sick now.Shri Mataji: He came to London.Sahaja Yogini: Just yesterday he left. He was staying in a hotel here. He is very sick. Shri Mataji: And she said that, “He has become like a monster now. He wants to have food every half an hour”.Sahaja Yogini: Very high diabetes. Very high diabetes. So, of course, my son out of courtesy, went to see him. Because he had come he said, “After all, he is my father. I don’t want to really depend on him. So, I can call him”. He found him so sick that every half an hour he would ask for food. And that too very, very sweet thing, you know, “sandesh” (a Bengali sweet) and that. Ravi says he was surprised. He was taken aback. That a set of food is brought say, in the morning breakfast with a set of four or five toast, eggs, bacon, coffee and everything. He eats it. And then – seven-thirty. By nine-thirty he is hungry again. Wants another set of meal.Shri Mataji: Horrible. Other Sahaja Yogini: So, what you do think of that? Sahaja Yogini: And he can’t walk from here to there without panting. Shri Mataji: They have all back on [UNCLEAR] now. He used her … Other Sahaja Yogini: You see, I used to think about God and religion. And these religions say if you are a good wife you should stay by your husband in spite of what he has…sorry for his sickness; I can’t say that. I can’t agree with that. Because you are also a person who has to evolve. Why should you be shut down and tortured like that? Shri Mataji: But what happened, in the olden days it happened. It happened like that. Sahaja Yogini: It is difficult in India, to, you know, just leave and come out of the house. Especially in orthodox families. Shri Mataji: And moreover a woman stuck onto that, she developed her own powers inside. You see, she developed her power. And you see, in India, a woman who is devoted is the most powerful thing. I tell you she is even more powerful than even Krishna was also. I am afraid of “pativratas” (dedicated wives) also sometimes. You see, by their dedication and all that they achieve their power. You see, something like those – (in Hindi), what are “tapasvis” called? Ascetics. The people who have worked out very much. Like that you know. And very, very strong-willed women we have there. And Krishna you see was cursed by one of them once upon a time. And He had to die. Because they become very powerful. Gandhari. Other Sahaja Yogini: Because of all the things they have to put up with. And fight against and grow through. Shri Mataji: You see what – they fight it and build themselves up inside. They go on fighting and build themselves up. But that is not the way I would say for Sahaja. Sahaja did not say that. If the husband is that bad, such a monster then better give him up. But then don’t marry another horrible fellow. Do not go on choosing… Other Sahaja Yogini: You are all laughing but this is my third attempt. And I ought to be getting very powerful by now. I have been with this one nine years and he gets steadily worse. Shri Mataji: So it is better to shut down that man you see. And you get to God’s life. All your life where are you going to fight it out? So that is not a Sahaja method. Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR/ anyway, fight without any return]. Shri Mataji: You see, but what to do? I would say it is better some social reforms must be made and some compromise must be brought in between husband and wife. And people should not marry who have no proper ideas about marriage. They should be properly brought up you see. Sahaja Yogis are easier husband and wife. If there are two Sahaja Yogis they can marry better. But they must cleanse themselves and they should be much clearer and must be integrated people. Then it is easier to marry them. Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR]. I have always searched for meaning in life. And I have always believed in God. And I always had a lot of faith. I did not know where to look. My husband is a completely logical, highly intellectual person with a scientific type of mind. Psychiatry, psychology that is his job. Shri Mataji: Oh God! Sahaja Yogini: And he thinks, you know, I am just crazy. Shri Mataji: You see, because the psychologist and the psychiatrist always catch from the patients that come to them. Sahaja Yogini: And that is my life every day, actually. Shri Mataji: And that is why they are so absurd. They are very absurd. [UNCLEAR/multiple people talking]. Shri Mataji: What happens, they free those patients. And when they free those patients they catch from them. These patients are abnormal, pathological cases. But they make them general patients. They call them general. Like they will generalise everything. Saying that a woman, a mother’s love, a child’s love is sexual. All this you see is generalisation style. Because you see, they themselves are caught up by one pathological case like that who tells them like this. And then they give an idea like that. So it happens. So that is why they are also pathologically affected. They don’t know. You will be surprised now after realisation you will see – if there is that kind of a person even a little bit mentally upset if you go near that person you feel terrible. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, this what keeps happening to me all the time. I can’t stay in the same room for longer than an hour. Shri Mataji: You are smart. Sahaja Yogini: I have to get out of the room. Shri Mataji: That will teach you how to … Other Sahaja Yogini: After Ravi came home from the hotel, I have been feeling miserable. I think he has got [UNCLEAR/parasite] into the house. Shri Mataji: No, no good, that one is no good. Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/South African one]. Shri Mataji: From where does he come, from South Africa? He is not so good, you know, he has got back trouble; he is not so good. Sahaja Yogini: Ma, even I read some poster, some Soham astrologer. Soham. Who is this Soham? Shri Mataji: Soham is horrible. He is the worst of all. He is much worse. At least, he is not a monster. He is not. But he is a mislaid fellow. He is mislaid. But his disciple is with the owner of the place. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: So, he has given you free to live there, is it? Sahaja Yogi: He has [UNCLEAR/given] a meditation centre for the whole of [UNCLEAR] London. Shri Mataji: And how many you have there? Sahaja Yogi: Four of us live there and we have about a hundred and fifty meditators. Shri Mataji: Oh God! They all will be spoiling their Agyna. Very bad Agnya you have got, all of you, you know. Sahaja Yogi: I didn’t know. Shri Mataji: Yes. It is very bad, even you have that. You do that “trataka” (third eye meditation) no? Sahaja Yogi: Not everybody, but I do. Shri Mataji: Yes, very bad Agyna. You too have a bad Agyna. Have you got a limbu? Let us try on his Agnya. But you see he will be spoiling hundred and fifty people. Oh God! What is he doing? What is the matter? Come, come I will [UNCLEAR] your Agnya. You see now, you feel your forehead. You see. Now feel. You can feel it? It is very much, too much swollen. David had one of the worst you can say. Sahaja Yogi: Oh yes, I know. He could see his [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: It is very wrong. [UNCLEAR/Binny], does not understand. Sinful. To spoil somebody’s Agnya like that. You have a hundred and fifty meditators. They come down to that hall? Sahaja Yogi: Some of them. Not all. We usually have an initiation centre as well. Shri Mataji: What do you do, initiation? Sahaja Yogi: Puja. Shri Mataji: Whose puja? Sahaja Yogi: Guruji’s. But it's you know, its… Shri Mataji: They are all foreigners or Indian? Sahaja Yogi: Indians too, all nationalities. Shri Mataji: Have to talk to them. Is wrong. He has no knowledge about it. Is terrible. Like I was stunned while talking to you. All right, you sing Kartikeya, he will be all right. He will be better. Sing Kartikeya. Hello, come along. What about the lights? Have you forgotten about the lights? Sahaja Yogi: No, there was a blackout. It is a power cut. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. Good. You should get some more of these I think. Sahaja Yogi: They are all sold out. Because everyone has got the same idea. Shri Mataji: But what about the “deepa” (lamp) or something? You can make out of oil. Have you got some oil? I can make one nice one. Sahaja Yogini: How much more [UNCLEAR] these [UNCLEAR/type]? Shri Mataji: All right. Sahaja Yogi: We have the aarti recorded of the Ganesha one? Shri Mataji: Taped? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Is there? Sahaja Yogi: I have sort of got it [UNCLEAR/on]. Shri Mataji: Put it on. Will be a good idea. That is the best way. Yes, take it out. That is why you are greying. You are so young. Why should you grey? Sahaja Yogi: Which one, the Ganesha one or the aarti? Shri Mataji: You people never felt the heaviness in the head or anything? Never. Thank God David at least felt a headache. Sahaja Yogi: Put on the Ganesha? The Ganesha. Shri Mataji: Yes, Ganesha you put. [Break in recording]. Shri Mataji: What about you? I mean not that he is a bad man. I would not call him bad. Not a monster. Monster is that who knows he is doing wrong and still doing it. This is just like a naïve personality. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogi is describing some catches to Nabhi and Vishuddhi]. Shri Mataji: You must use rationality. This is a test I said that he is not doing [UNCLEAR]. You have to become. This a test you must to put to everything in modern times. Now it is nothing doing but becoming. You must become. Had enough of it. You have done everything in your previous lives. Otherwise, you would not have had it. Now no more doing the other thing. We are going to have it. This is like, “They are making the cake, they are making the cake. Now how long?” When are we going to have to cake? We should ask. After all, we are seekers no doubt. We are truthfully seeking. Then now no more of this kind of lecturing to ask. Give us [UNCLEAR/ the right?]. [Tape 2]. Shri Mataji: Very great. No, not yet. Want to sit like that? Yes, it is all right. Just see. Is it better now? Really, is it better? Just see. Better? Sahaja Yogi: I think it will take some time. Shri Mataji: All right. But is it better in any chance? Since yesterday it is better. Much better. Hold it tight to My foot. Hold it tight. Are you feeling throbbing? Throbbing in My ears. Are you feeling? That is it. That’s it. Agnya is spoilt. See, most of it is mesmerism. It is mesmerism also. They do mesmerise. But this is when they take, they do it to do something you know. Then what they do? They do not mesmerise you, but they spoil your chakra and mesmerise you that way. But I must say you are very independent people the way you have denied that. By understanding that was something wrong. It is something great. This shows your willpower. Otherwise, it is not easy to get out of their clutches. See, they are very powerful, okay? Isn’t it? To understand that this is wrong. In spite of their mesmerism and everything. Ask him to put the hand out towards the Agnya, this side. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogis whispering to each other]. Now how is it? Just see it. Now both. That is it. How are you, Vinny? Better? [UNCLEAR]. But you take this one. Put it under your pillow tonight for two days. And Thursday throw it away and come and see Me then. Ah now. It is throbbing is it? Minutely. Slightly it has started. And he gave you a mantra also. That is why Vishuddhi is bad. What mantra did he give you? Better tell Me. Don’t hesitate. Sahaja Yogi: Am-bi-um. Am-bi-um. Shri Mataji: Am-bi-um? Am-bi-um? Sahaja Yogini: It could be Ambika. Shri Mataji: Ambikam. Is it Ambikam. Sahaja Yogi: Am-bi-um. Another Sahaja Yogi: He is a South African. Might be a variation. Sahaja Yogi: But he isn’t. He is Indian. [UNCLEAR/He is Brahmin]. Other Sahaja Yogi: I thought he came from South Africa. Sahaja Yogi: [He lives in/UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Ambium? Am-bi-yum it can be. Am-bi-yum. [UNCLEAR/Uday?] chakra itself. That is the problem. It is the best way to get you entangled you see. Putting on the Heart. You feel insecure. Sahaja Yogi: Not terribly unsure. Uncertain. Shri Mataji: That’s it. That is what it is. Just see him. Sahaja Yogi: Mostly on the left side. Shri Mataji: Left side is catching? Left Agnya? Sahaja Yogi: Also it starts from there. Shri Mataji: Oh. He tried something with the private parts, is it? Did he touch his private parts? No. Sahaja Yogi: David and Thomas also had the same thing. Shri Mataji: And there was a girl also of the same style as you are. Sahaja Yogi: She was here last night. Shri Mataji: She was very much the same. You see I could see from the frequency. And when I asked David, “Is she also seeing the same guru?”. He said, “Yes”. I said, “See. She is suffering from the same problem”. What was her name? She told Me. But he recognised. David said yes, she is one of them. Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Oh God, hundred and fifty of them are finished. Ian? Vinny, you are real seekers you know. You are very truthful people. I feel sorry for you. Because you are people for whom I have been born. Now, is he better? Sahaja Yogi: It is clear now. Shri Mataji: Clearing out. Still, on the Agyna is it? On the left? Sahaja Yogi: Right Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Right Vishuddhi but left Agyna. Right Vishuddhi is not much but left Agyna. Mostly men who [UNCLEAR] it is left Agyna. Sahaja Yogi: More like right Agyna now. Shri Mataji: Now it is on the right Agyna. Sahaja Yogi: It is cool on the left but right… Shri Mataji: What did you say here? Sahaja Yogi: It is cooler on the left. Shri Mataji: Cooler on the left? Than the right? This mandala business is on the right-hand side. Oh God. Are you feeling any throbbing? On your finger? Feeling the heat in the back. No, it is all right. Are you feeling the heat in the hand now? At the back. You are feeling still. A lot of heat. All right. I will cool it down. Better? Now? Better? Sahaja Yogi: I am feeling right Agyna. Shri Mataji: Right Agnya is it? Now. Still there? Little bit. Now? Still there a little bit. Ha! Clear. Sahaja Yogi: The whole [UNCLEAR] is better in general. It is just the [UNCLEAR/faint] which is there. Shri Mataji: You know you have to forgive also someone. All right? Forgive him only. He has done it through ignorance. Forgive him. It is all right. Now it is better. The same only [UNCLEAR]. Forgive him. Are you wearing something given by him? Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/photo of guruji]. Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR]. Take it out. Till then it will never work out. Take it out. Sprinkle water. It is gold? Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: He is better now. Bring some water. "Subramaniam" you sing. It is a very good thing. For Agnya, ideal. It is horrid. He will improve in no time. [Sahaja Yogini sings “Subramaniam Namaste” a well-known raga in Carnatic style, in praise of Shri Kartikeya]. Shri Mataji: Very good. It is better now. Sahaja Yogi: Yes Mataji. Shri Mataji: Is it better now? Is it better? Sahaja Yogi: YesI think it is better all except the Left Vishuddhi is the only one catching. Shri Mataji: Must have been given some prasada or something? Were you given prasada? Ha. Now? Sahaja Yogi: It is better, it is better. [Sahaja Yogini sings a stotra Syamala Stuti, in praise of the Mother Goddess in Carnatic style]. Shri Mataji: Wah, wah, beautiful. It is better now. You are better. You see, in this shloka, what they have said is sometimes very interesting that “Oh Goddess, you are very fond of music”. It's [UNCLEAR] isn’t it? Better now, isn’t it? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: How are you feeling? How are you feeling? Sahaja Yogi: I feel good. Shri Mataji: Feeling lighter? Cooler in the hands? Better? Another Sahaja Yogi: It is a little bit cooler on the left I think. Sahaja Yogi: It is okay. Shri Mataji: All right. You won’t say right is cooler than left. Sahaja Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: Put your hand there. You have to forgive. You must forgive. Just forgive. This is the thing that is stopping. You have to say; what is stopping (you)? I mean, it is a myth. You know, when we say we don’t forgive people. It is a myth. Let us say Lord’s prayer for him because he has got Agnya and it will be cleared. Say it thrice, all right. All of us should say it. Come along. [Everyone recites The Lord’s Prayer three times]. Shri Mataji: How are you feeling now? Better? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Good. You got it. Now very good. May God bless you. Come along. May God bless you. Come along. Good. Now you are all right. Definitely. Aren’t you? Keep it (lemon) for your [UNCLEAR], for some nights. That day, Thursday throw it in some water. And come and see Me. Put it in a paper. Like a paper bag. Nicely packed. It will go away. It is good now. That is better. May God bless you. Sahaja Yogi: Thank you, Mataji. Shri Mataji: So, the only thing you have to do – “I have to forgive, I have to forgive”. Everybody. Any thought comes in it – forgive. You see, now temper will be rising now against the gurus, against this, forgive them, forgive them. The greatest weapon is to forgive. Mohammed Saheb has told us another one is to write their names, give them a bandhan nicely and beat them with shoes. That is what. We do it. But this is also a very good way of forgiving. If your forgiving capacity is great, then you don’t need it. But, you see, sometimes it is very necessary. These people will beat themselves. You see, write their own names. If the ego is there the best thing is to write down your name, put a bandhan and beat yourself. Maybe your ego is troubling you. Good. Sahaja Yogi: My feet [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: All right. What about your problem? You want to go? All right. May God bless you. Hope you will be here on Thursday, will you be? Sahaja Yogini: No. Shri Mataji: No? You will be going back. Sahaja Yogini: I will try to come next week, Mataji. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Give My love to your children. All right. It is much better now. How are you now? Sahaja Yogini: I am much lighter. Sahaja Yogi: Is it your handbag? Shri Mataji: Is it your bag? Sahaja Yogini: No, [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Now, Can I have her name? You got the photograph? Let us see. Which is the one? Sahaja Yogini: This is my aunt and this is my mother. Shri Mataji: And who is this one? Sahaja Yogini: This is my aunt who is the sister of my mother. She is very, very negative all the time. Shri Mataji: Oh, terrible. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, it is very..she gives us a lot of pain. And my mother is also very spiritual and my mother can’t stand it. But she loves her and she can’t help her. Shri Mataji: Just look at this, it is very funny. Shaking with her. What is her name, Anna? Sahaja Yogini: Erna, Erna. Shri Mataji: How you do spell it? Sahaja Yogini: E-r-n-a. Shri Mataji: Erna. What is it? Sahaja Yogi: Her bag. Shri Mataji: Her bag? Which one is that? Another Sahaja Yogini: I came and sat by you, Mataji. Shri Mataji: You must have put it somewhere here? Sahaja Yogi: What colour is it? Shri Mataji: This is yours. Thank God. You have to find it. This is (lemon), you have to keep it under your bed for two days. And then throw it away in the water somewhere. All right? Under your pillow. Erna, will she co-operate if you tell her something? Sahaja Yogini: Yes she will. Yes. She phoned me today and I told her. Shri Mataji: She would be better. Sahaja Yogini: Yes she will be. Shri Mataji: She will be better. But in any case, you tell her to take the photo treatment. And that they will tell you. Gavin, you explain her nicely how to do it. He will tell you just now. All right? She will be better. Is this your mother? Which one is your mother? Sahaja Yogi: Did she find her bag? Sahaja Yogini: This is my mother. These pictures are not so [UNCLEAR/good]. See there is one more. Shri Mataji: This is who? [Possible break in recording]. Shri Mataji: …wealth. But the wealth we understand in the material way is not the “vaibhava” (prosperity), “sampada” (abundance) you see. Even a man who looks poor to you may be a “vaibhavashali”. Like a king, he is sitting down. Not bothered about these small things. So, that sort of a thing. You see, if you use those for the wrong things, for the bad things, in the left-hand side it is the sign. Completely catching. I don’t know how she stood that horrible fellow. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogini replies]. Shri Mataji: And also Agnya, she is catching very badly. Though she might have been born Realised. Might have been. At least, she is an awakened person. And it would have been easier for her to know this man than you people can. They have an innate built-in eye you see. They just refuse. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogini replies]. Shri Mataji: She should. She should. [UNCLEAR/catching]. She was given Krishna’s mantra also. Sahaja Yogini: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: You are not supposed to tell. Your own daughter, you cannot tell. I think must be Krishna’s because Vishuddhi is catching very badly. So you can see now – this lady is your aunty? Sahaja Yogini: No my mother. The photos are not good. Sahaja Yogi: Same lady. Shri Mataji: Same person. Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Both are the same type of person. All photographs. See I hope she comes back and does it because at this age it is rather difficult to stick on. Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR/give up]. Shri Mataji: You see, these are very simple people. I tell you, what I call the spiritual naiveness. One thing, one, they do not know. I think because of the Pope or because of churches you have had organised religion. That they do not know religion cannot be organised, firstly and secondly money cannot be given to a person who talks of religion. Only once, Christ was sold for thirty (coins). Only once. And what happened? You are selling Him every time you are paying money for Him. I hope to see her. But this lady is to be helped very much. For that [UNCLEAR/he] will tell you what is to be done. Write it down properly, how to be done, photographs. [UNCLEAR]. [UNCLEAR/Shri Mataji and Sahaja Yogini are discussing]. Shri Mataji: See if you are seeking you have a problem. If you are not seeking you are sitting down there. So what to do? It is like a train which is moving in the wrong direction. Or it is not moving. What to do? Is a problem like that. It will be all right. Now, how are you feeling? Sahaja Yogini: It is fine. Shri Mataji: Hands are all right? Everything? Vibrations? Good. You are really remarkable. How are you [UNCLEAR]. Now you have become a real Sufi, you know. You are absolutely a real Sufi now, in the real sense of the world. Now you will understand all the Sufis of the world. See, otherwise, they had no meaning. Sufis – who was Sufi, who was not Sufi – now you will know. Now with vibrations, you will know who was a real Sufi. All right? We had a very big one in India – Nizamuddin Saab. One very big – Nizamuddin Saab, in Delhi. In Delhi, in the times of a king – who was the king? Sahaja Yogini: Tuglaq. Shri Mataji: Tuglaq. Tuglaq. But his name was Muhammad Tuglaq. Muhammad Tuglaq you see. And he was such a horrid king. He got after this Sufi. He was this – Nizamuddin Khan Saab. He said, “You must come to me and say [UNCLEAR]”. He said, “I will not say it”. And he refused. And ultimately you see after some time, he tried everything. Destroyed him in every way possible. But nothing could be done. In the end, he said that if you don’t come and do that, I will kill you. It came to that. And, he said, “All right, I will see about it”. And within seven days this king was killed – by his own nephew or son. Sahaja Yogini: Actually, he was coming to kill this Nizamuddin. When he was coming people said, “He is coming, could you please get ready to receive him”? He said, “Let him arrive, then I will think about it”. And he did not come. Actually what happened – he camped somewhere nearby and his own nephew wanted to kill him. So, at night, he cut off his throat in the camp. Shri Mataji: Camp. Sahaja Yogini: Tent. The whole tent fell on him. Shri Mataji: Died in that. Then you have to do it, you see. Then don’t call it violence. These horrible people. What to do? You have to kill them. What is the use of killing also? They have been killed many a time - again they are born, again they are killed, again…This time, let them hang by the nearest tree for some time and be in the coma. That is the best way I have found out. Terrible people. Now don’t think too much about your aunt, all right? If you think too much about it, you will catch. You have to think about where you are. You are here now. You see, she is on the left-hand side. In the centre - Any questions anybody has, I will say them now; otherwise, I will tell you about it. What about you? Better now? Getting cooling? Cool in the hand? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. My feet as well. Shri Mataji: Feet as well? Good idea. Sahaja Yogi: Only on this side though. Shri Mataji: On this side? Not on the other side. All right. Just put that under My foot. What is that supposed to be? Sahaja Yogi: It is a beeper you know. Telling you to telephone someone. Another Sahaja Yogi: Put it in a bucket of water. Sahaja Yogi: So, you can never escape. [Sahaja Yogis are laughing]. Shri Mataji: What happened? What happened? Sahaja Yogi: When that beep happened she had to go and telephone someone – like a good little girl. Sahaja Yogini: Like a road block (?). Another Sahaja Yogini: That reminds, is it? Another Sahaja Yogini: Yes. It reminds you – you have to telephone to somebody. Sahaja Yogi: It is an order. It is an order. Sahaja Yogini: Funny, never had such an instrument. Another Sahaja Yogi: Give it vibrations so [UNCLEAR]. Sahaja Yogini: I just switched it off. Shri Mataji: But you know – if you know how to meditate on the waves of your mind, you see. Timing – you need not see the watch at all. The timing – just it tells you, this time this is that – everything works out. But if you do that way, you see, it is another kind of concentration which can work out. You see, at that time it will come to you, that this is to be done. But higher than that is this way – is that you just don’t have time, no concentration, just leave it. All right? So, you are going on the road. Suddenly you feel like turning on to another side. You turn, you find a person standing there. Finish your job. And that is why you become dynamic. You finish so many things in such a short time. That you do not know – otherwise it would have taken too much time for you. Today it happened to us also. I was going with Jane – did she tell you? And we had to buy some mirrors and things. So we asked them where do we get the mirrors? They said you go to such and such place. There we went and what we find? It is absolutely interesting. It was the frames. I was telling you about the frames. And there they were. Just the frames, no mirrors. They said you get the mirrors from such a shop, but these are the frames. So, you see, everything is; these material things work out just like that. You don’t have to bother. Nothing important. But even emotional and everything, you become so dynamic. Some people who have never spoken, have never given a lecture – they start speaking, they start controlling, and they start giving realisations. Even small children can do that. You become so confident and you become the instrument of God – that it starts working. And you are so confident because you know it’s not your own, it is coming in. Now don’t worry. Sahaja Yogini: No I am not. Shri Mataji: Don’t worry. Pay attention here. Pay attention here. All right? Another Sahaja Yogini: Let it go. Shri Mataji: Let it go, let it go. Smile away. Smile away. It will go away. You see, it is not your responsibility. Now somebody is your mother, somebody is your father – in a way it is a part in you. But to a point. To a point. When you have accepted Rama as your father, forget it. That is his job, to look after them. See like, some of the parents are so orthodox, so fanatic and so much half-baked – that like, you cannot do anything about them now. They are so spoilt. For example – Hello come along. Ah, ha. Everything you bring something. Must you? Come along. Now you should not think like that all the time paying attention to them. Oh, my father is like that, mother like that, no. First, you achieve your own goal. First of all, you achieve your manifestation. First of all, you achieve your powers and be a master of that. You master yourself completely. You become the master of yourself. When you are – May God bless you. Thank you. Thank you. All right – it should be eaten by all of us today. All right – vibrated na? So, first thing is that you pay attention to yourself. Love yourself. Know your valuation. Estimate yourself. And enjoy. First of all, establish yourself. Then you will be amazed that you will not have to bother about anybody. You will touch and the thing will happen. Because you become the light you see. A complete steady light. Which knows how to handle itself. Control. Where to put the candle, how to enlighten. Everything you know. You master the thing completely. Then things will come up. I will tell you about Gavin’s example. Here he is. He is just like you, was just like you. Not now, of course. Now he was very worried about his parents. Naturally, everybody wants – his parents are very good people otherwise. He wanted his parents to get Realisation. And so especially he took leave, he took his wife, both of them are Realised people. They went down. And I was a little smiling at that time. I did not say much. I said, “All right, go ahead”. But they found the parents were very difficult. Difficult for them to accept anybody but Christ. Because from childhood it is told, the brain. It is difficult because they are quite old now. So, you see it was rather difficult. They tried to break it. Then they came back. But I was amazed; they were not disappointed. They think it is difficult now. Next time they go, it will be better. So, first of all, build up yourself fully. If you build up yourself you will be amazed how beautiful it would be. For your own life. And that itself, the beauty of your life will spread itself. People will say, “Just look at this person. Where was he? What has happened? Now how is it?” This one is sitting here. I tell you he was one-third of what – you can sit on the chair here, you will be more comfortable. On the chair. So, they looked at him – he was very thin; he was one third or one fourth? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: Like the jockey you have. Sahaja Yogi: Rather thin(?) style. Shri Mataji: Last night’s jockey. What was his name? Sahaja Yogi: Lester Piggot. Shri Mataji: Something like that he was, you know. But now he is changed. He is artistic. So different. See, his health is different. Everything. It itself is a certificate. And that changes much more people than any argument, saying anything, nothing can change them. And moreover you can work on them. When you are such a master of the whole thing, you can work on them. First of all, you must check on yourself. You check the thing inside. Your vibrations must be checked. And you must ask others to check. For example, now you are with a problem. Supposing one has no problems. He thinks you don’t have a problem. All right. You do one thing – you sit on the photograph; see for yourself. You can [UNCLEAR]. Supposing you cannot feel anything – then ask her. And you check her. And you won’t feel bad about each other. Because you see, you are now separated from yourself. You will be amazed. You will say, “I am caught up here, I am caught up there. There is a problem here, there is a blockage here, there is a blockage there”. You yourself would like to clear it out. You will say, “No I am not well. There is something wrong with me”. Normally if you tell somebody, “There is something wrong with you”; you might get a slap. But now after Realisation, because you are separated you want to be cleared out yourself. [UNCLEAR]. Lots of things are still to be cleared out, isn’t it, Boghdan (?). You don’t mind it at all. On the contrary, you feel happy that it is going on. Because it becomes like your cloth. Your being becomes like your cloth. You see, there is some sort of a spot on it which must be removed – you say, “Mother, there is a spot, you must clear it”. It does not become your…you are not identified with it. But you see, this body, this mind – everything is a vehicle. Like your car. It is not you. You are your Spirit. You are that Eternal Being. You are not this…outside. So, once you are identified with that, you say, this body of yours need repairs; let us take it. Like the car, let us take it to Mother’s shop, get it repaired. It is like that. Nobody feels bad – on the contrary you feel happy about it. But because you are identified with all those things, you do not want to do it. You feel nervous. Now. Better now. Much better. Now, say “forgiven”. Say “forgiven”. Inside your heart, you just say, “I have forgiven them”. Come along. Say it. Just for saying’s sake, you say it. Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR/No kamsa]. You are placed. All right? And you will be amazed – when you will meet them now, they will be changed people. They will be very different. Their attitudes will change. It is impossible for human beings not to respect Divinity. It is writ large on their face, you know. If they are human beings. If they are monsters, forget it. But if they are not monsters, they will. If they are, drunk, of course, maybe different. But if they are not drunk, if they see, then it is fine. Because it is writ large on your faces. You can see that he is a man who is a divine person. Definitely, he is. But monsters and those who are enticed by monsters or who are possessed, or who are drunk or have not got their awareness as human beings have, naturally I mean, you cannot expect much from them. They are the people who have crucified Christ. Some of them were egoistical. Ego is also another possession. We are possessed with the idea of ourselves. Like Napolean, once such a great man. You possess yourself also sometimes. When it is separated you see yourself in your pure Self. Now let us see where are we and where we could have been. So, as I told you, in a human being, we are placed first of all, in a situation where we jump in from past to future, future to past. All the time. Our mind is thinking either about the past or about the future. The present moment is very little. Very little. The now. Is very little. In between. So, we are jumping like this. You see, the waves of our thoughts – they come either from the past and go to the future. Either we are there or here. Never in the centre. All right? So, when we start from the past, if you rationalise it, it does not exist anymore. If you think of the future it does not exist either. May not be the same. Supposing you decide that, “No, tomorrow I must meet Mother”. Mataji may not be there, She may not meet, may not happen – anything is possible. So, what is true is the present. Today you are sitting down here. But while sitting down here you are thinking of the past and the future. And you missing the joy of this moment. Because at this time you have to alert and enjoy the joy of this moment. Which is tremendous, dynamic. So, at this point of, the crossing point of future and past – you see like this – this is the swastika as it moves – but the destruction swastika is different from the construction one. The one we use is the construction one. All right. Between the two, is the central point in which you have to move straight forward, in the centre. So, you move on – now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now. At that point, there is no thought. So, you are thoughtlessly aware. You can watch. You can watch the past. You can watch the future. But when you are at the present, God knows how things are working out, fit into the moment, sort of. The more areas you make or collect, God to act into that present moment, the more forces can move in and help you. So, that area has to be made. So, how do we make that area? For Sahaja Yogis, very important.The first attitude should be, “Let it be”. Whatever “Thy will be done”. Is a mantra. You know, “Thy will be done” is a mantra, is a very big mantra. I would say that if you want to write the central point, the essence, the tattva of Sahaja Yoga, is “Thy will be done”. Is the essence. Now when you say that, you will say, “Mother, are we not a person? Are we useless?”. No. You are very great. You are the chosen ones as the instrument of the Dynamic. If you were not that great, you would not have been chosen. But the One that flows the dynamic, if you become that, it is very great. But you are not so. You are the instrument. So how do we do it? As I said, the first and the foremost mantra is, “Thy will be done”. Thy will be done. Thy then becomes I after some time. Because you realize after some time that you are a part and parcel of that Thy, you see. Like this finger is a part and parcel of this body. It does not say, this finger, “Thy will be done”. Nothing But it acts according to the brain that is telling it. It is absolutely one with that. So whether you say it or not, it acts. It works out. But if this finger starts suddenly thinking, “I will be on my own”, then malignancy starts. This is the malignancy. Malignancy is that when you say that, “I will be on my own”. If the cell starts saying that, “I will be on my own” then there is no tuning, no harmony, there is no relationship, there is no coordination and there is no control. Once that is broken, society becomes a victim of cancer. Is a social cancer. There is also an emotional cancer. Social and emotional and a political cancer. And all kinds of cancers develop. When we forget the unity of one body. Of One. And it is so much integrated. See now, this flower is here. Just now, I am thinking about this flower. Now, look at this. It is so fantastic. We take it for granted otherwise. See, it was grown on a rose tree. Think of the rose tree also as a Sahaja. Just think. Can you think how a rose tree was created? Out of what seed? You know what is the seed? It is just a small little seed. Very small. Out of that, this is created. But this one especially was not created out of the seed but out of the stem. Just imagine. This was done by human beings. He has got the power to create a rose tree out of a stem. It is a living thing he has done. So, a special power human beings have. That, certain things, he can do that. He can transplant living things from living things. Living from living. Though he cannot create living. Now the Sahaja Yogis can give the living process of evolution in their hands. With their fingers. With their mind. With their chitta, is the attention. Now, where are we? Our attention has to be in the centre. In the present moment. Now here is a rose. You are watching this. Now, what is the best way of watching this? To get completely out of it is to be in thoughtless awareness. So what happens? You are thoughtless. Now all the joy of creating it is inside this. All the truth that is this rose is, is inside it. As soon as you become thoughtless, the whole thing goes into you as the principle, as the essence of it. And you feel that joy, as the essence of it. No thought about it. Nothing. But just the joy. Just the joy. Marie, you wait till I finish My lecture all right? If you don’t mind. So, you do that in thoughtless awareness. Can you watch this? Can you watch this without thinking? Let us see. [Silence]. A thrill will pass through you after some time. Those who are Realised, can. They are without any thought. They are just looking at it. No thought is coming. Now, I remove this. Is “alambana” (base). But now you watch My face. [Silence]. Now, most of you are not thinking. But something is going on in your face. You can feel it. Some movement in the face is going on. Some sort of energy. There is a little pressure here. Some people are getting it. So, you see, the energy from This face is flowing to you. And is organising it. Through your eyes now it is going to the head. Now it is coming up here. It is trying to take it out. All these problems together. So, a force is coming, like the force of a river or a jet coming on your face. Very gentle it is, very gentle. And it is trying to correct it. You see it is working out. Now you are not thinking about it. It is just working out. It is happening. It is working out. It is working out still. Now it is coming here. For every one of you, it is working out that way. Like in the cell, many cells together, when the bloodstream flows in you see, all these cells open out. And they open out at different timings. For them, there is a timing, not for you, so much. Of course, there is, that way, but then they open out. Now with hands, you have opened out. Now the flow has started flowing in, getting inside and you feel something happening to your face. You don’t know what is happening, but the glow is coming outside. There see that glow on your face. You see. And that is why a person who is realised shows the flow. Now, what is happening? Is this integrated force, this force of love, this essence comes out. [Tape 3] You burp out, you see these are some sort of things inside, these obstructions. They get out. And you forget the time. You are in the present moment. Now you feel the flow coming up? Still on the Agnya. There is a problem. So, at the present moment when you are – this is the present moment and you are receiving – you are in complete joy and bliss. Because you have come to this point. To this point, you have come. Still, if you feel some heat in your head coming out. You see – not yet coming out. It is throwing away the heat from your face. Now you have been walking on the street. Correct? Little heat. Still not – the cool is not there. But after some time you will find a cool breeze will be there. So, all that collection on your face itself is a very subtle thing inside you know. Whatever is in there is thrown out. Now, how? There is a hole made. From the hole, the [UNCLEAR/heat] comes out. Now, this is the baptism. Still hot. Still hot. It has to cool down. After you cool down, you will feel the relief. It is coming. You see, it is coming. Now, out of you some of you are overled (?), some are clear. But because we are sitting down, everybody is forcing it out. Whether you are able-bodied, or less able-bodied, makes no difference. This time we are all together, so everybody has to feel the load. You see, like supposing there is a big block we have to lift. So all of us put our hands to it. Some aren’t, some are healthy. Some are healthier people, some are weaker people. But everybody feels there is a load. And you throw it away, all of you put together. And it works out. This is what is the collective effort. But actually, the collective effort is not done by thinking. Or by doing, “Oh I have to do it” – nothing of the kind. How you do it is, only by allowing your Kundalini to rise. Now, and while the Kundalini is rising, you must know where it is pressing and where it is not working out. Now at this time, you feel the heat is coming up here, it is coming up here. Coming to the Sahasrara. Now it depends on where it has come. Just now it has come to the Sahasrara. Most of the thing is here. You see, the problem is here. Come up here. Now, what do you do? Depending on the chakra, wherever you find the problem is – you take the name of the deity. And you take it out. Like that. Now, at the Sahasrara, you have to take My name. That is the point. Now come along, say My name and it will clear out. They know how to say it. You see, they have made a mantra, these Sahaja Yogis only and they know how to say it. In India. Now come along. Say it thrice and you will clear out. Because you have said the Christ thing so this is cleared out. First of all, say “Allah O Akbar” because the little problem on the left-hand side is still here. Say “Allah O Akbar” thrice and then say My mantra. It will clear out. Say now. Let us see where it is. So you decide. I cannot give you a mantra permanently. Nothing. Depends on where is the Kundalini. Where is the problem now? That is why in the present. In the present, you will be changing every moment. Depending on – supposing a tree has to go. It sees which way it has to move. It has to see how the root has to move. It does not decide, plan beforehand – “No, I have to go straight”. It cannot. It will see the obstruction and how it moves. The same way the Kundalini moves. Now come along. Say it, “Allah O Akbar” thrice. Let us see now. Put your, these fingers are for him. Now say this. Come along. Sahaja Yogis: Allah O Akbar, Allah O Akbar, Allah O Akbar. Shri Mataji: Cleared out. Better? Now when your Sahasrara is opened out, you will be amazed, even if you put these things into your ears, you can hear everything clearly. You can hear with this thing, you can even see with this. You will be surprised. It comes to that extent that you can see through this. Because in the limbic area as you know, there are the seats of all these – the eyes, nose, ears and mouth and everything you can feel it here. Supposing your tongue has become dead. You eat something, you can feel it there. It is a medical thing. So, when this is enlightened, you can feel it and because you are aware of your Sahasrara, you can. Now say the Sahasrara. Say. You can put your Sahasraras to Me. Sahaja Yogis (three times): Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali Trigunatmika, Adi Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adishakti Sakshat Shri Bhagwati Sakshat Shri Adishakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji: Good. Better? It has cooled down. Cooler? Better? Now, where is the problem you know? Put it over here. Better now? Right hand? Now you have to accept Me as the guru. That is the point. That is the point. That I am a Mother and Guru. It is a difficult task. But guru means something higher. All right? Only in this lifetime, I have become this. In none of My lifetimes, I have tried this. Very difficult to become a guru. Because then you have to chide, tell people. This is wrong, that is wrong. Guru’s job is this, which is a very difficult thing. So that is why I am. I have taken up this job. Because the Guru Himself is inside. The Adi Guru is inside Me in the stomach. You can see for yourself He is there. And when He is there, you see – I Am That and He is Me. There is no difference between the two. But you have to accept Me as the guru. Then it will work out [UNCLEAR]. On the right-hand side is that. Better now? You see, the Guru is saying, “why don’t You tell them?”. So I tell you. And that is how it is. Good now. See the Kundalini has come up. Look at them. How they are alert. And how they are telling you. Done? You see, this kind of body was made a long time back, once only. Where it was a cow. And all the Gods were put into That, and all chakras were put in. Now again it is built-in in this body of Mine, you see. And all chakras are there like a machinery. You must know that it is all there, it is working out. It will work out. But you must take more and more of it. Have as much as you like. I want to give you. It is all to be given and be distributed. To have a lot of it. I want you to have the highest and highest of all. Let us see in one lifetime how much you can achieve. From ordinary human beings, you have become Realised souls. From Realised souls, you have to be completely realised. And then, God-realised. [UNCLEAR]. If it could be done in My lifetime, that is the greatest thing that could be done. It is the last part of the creation and it will be the greatest. Because even the devtas and all that – the Gods that were created to look after – for example, there is a God say, to look after the water or Jaladevta as you call it. There is somebody, an officer appointed to look after the water. He also cannot give Kundalini rising. You are in the centre you see. All your work is in the centre. Evolutionary work. You don’t have to bother about this side or that side. You are in the centre. Your work is all evolutionary. You are there to give evolution to others. So, you do not have to bother, “we have to master this and master that”. No. You are on the stage. You are the real actors. They are all side people you see. They have to throw light. They have to throw water at the time it is needed, they have to do this, that is all their job is. And you just tell them. And they have to work for you. You try to verify if it is true or not. So, you are the actors on the stage. And you are the people who are going to give the show, give the drama. And they are just waiting there outside, just to help you out. You see. So, only thing is, you have to ask for it. Anything you ask for – for example, you have seen in a drama, how the hero and heroine are painted first of all. So you go to the painter. “All right, I want like this, I want like that”. All right. They will paint. They are just appointed ones. You are the ones who have achieved it. Have been granted. You have been bestowed on. In the style of Ganesha, you have been created. Is a special style. That is why you are more powerful. But assume. The assumption is the point. The assumption is the point. When you want to assume it you must know your values and you must know how far you are. And how much you are made. An ordinary clay, out of ordinary clay, Ganesha was made. Through ordinary people only. Middle people. These are the middle people, not extremes. Neither are they over-rich neither they are over-poor, very poor. Neither they are over-powerful, nor powerless. Out of them the middle people, the normal people, this is meant. And they are the seekers. They are taken like this and put into that. They go into the Sahasrara of Virata. They sit in the Sahasrara, in the brain. They are the riders. That is the Kalki. The collective conscious Sahaja Yogis, that is the new incarnation, is called as Kalki. This is the tenth incarnation of Shri Vishnu. My name Myself is Nirmala. Means that. Is the same. Means Nishkalanka. Actually, when I was born, there was no spot on My body. No blood, nothing. Without the navel cord or anything. So My grandmother, My father’s aunty, she called Me Nishkalanka. She said, is the Nishkalanka is born. You are the people who are Kalki. You are the incarnation of Vishnu, in the sense, that you are His nerves. [UNCLEAR]. Maybe, if we need, Kalki may come, may not come. Depends. In one form. But you are the ones. You are the people who are Kalki. The collectively, one Being in the brain. Like all the nerves think the same way, feel the same way, attend to the problems in the same manner. There is a problem with the finger, all of them will support that. There is a problem here; all of them will support. Sort it out, completely. But this now has the complete integration with the heart. Complete integration. The whole body acts as one. That is why Buddha has said, “Sangham Sharanam Gachhami”. That means, “I surrender myself to the [UNCLEAR/group]” – of Realised people. Buddha means 'Realised'. How many Buddhas there have been? How many Realised people? Seldom. Now you are the people who have gone into this area. Now you don’t worry on this side and this side. On the right-hand side, what do we have? One the line which I showed you yesterday, which controls the right sympathetic nervous system – which caters to all your emergencies of the mental and physical side. On that line moves the deity of Hanumana. Is the preconscious mind. Is a monkey. Is a monkey if you see; the preconscious mind, which is receiving everything I am saying to you. Is the one Which is moving from conscious mind to preconscious, to the unconscious mind, to the supraconscious, it is moving from one side. Is the monkey. Is the Hanumana Himself. He is very great. He is a great trick player. He plays the trick. You see, today He has deliberately put off the light. Too much light is no good. Natural light is very good. You concentrate better with that. He is very tricky. He has a big long tail, he uses it to play. He can tickle your nose. Just now He tickled your nose, to take out your badha. Problem there. See, like that. He is Hanumana. And actually, He is nobody but, who we know as Gabriel. Is the angel Gabriel, is Hanumana Himself. Hindus do not have a separate somebody, or Muslims do not have somebody. He is the same Gabriel who is Hanumana. If you are in a problem, if you want something to be done, you just tell Him. You tell Gabriel, “All right, now we are in problem, now solve all the problem”. One of My two disciples who are in the, who are journalists you see. Once they were travelling by car and a big truck came in front of them. And the driver was driving, and they were at the back. And the driver was in the front. And the truck came just face-to-face with them. And they were on a slopy road, on a hill. They just say, “Mother now we leave it to you, to Hanumana. Come along”. And you will be amazed, they said, “When we opened our eyes, the truck was that side and we were here”. So many things. They are journalists, you see, they even told the newspaper people. They said, “Now you are also enticed by Her, we must say like that”. You see because they cannot accept these things you see, difficult for them. So they are all getting enticed now, into this. So [UNCLEAR], by enticement if you are saved like that, what is the harm? like a joke. But there are things like that, He does it. Now if there is one realised soul travelling, you will be amazed – there will be an accident, but nobody will die. The whole train will go round and round but Hanumana can support it. Because He has got nine shaktis. He has got nine powers. Anima, garima, laghuma, like that. He can become big like a mountain if He wants and support something. He can become a sukshma, means He can become very subtle. Sit down. So, you see, this is the main thing. That you are in the centre and He is the main person supporting on the right-hand side. And who are the others who are supporting? There are many. All the five elements are on the right-hand side. This is the supraconscious. You don’t have to see light or anything. No, no, no. There is no need. “I see light” is wrong. Don’t have to see light or anything. Light is on the right-hand side. So, all these five elements as you know, they are on the right-hand side. So the supraconscious mind, the supraconscious area is on the right-hand side of the preconscious mind. This is the preconscious mind. And this is the “mana”. In the Sanskrit language, this is the mana – preconscious mind. But for English people, I do not know what they call mana. Because in the Sanskrit language, mana means the preconscious mind. But the preconscious mind is a part of the “annamaya kosha” means the food that you take. It is built up with that. So, they said, for food one must be particular. Now see how you have deviated and how you are made into wrong things. Now they said for food you must be very particular. So you must food which is very sattvic. Is very, very divine type. You should not take food which is not divine. All right? Now how do you make out? So, they said, “If you take milk, is divine. Is sattvaguni”. Means in the centre. There are three gunas. One is the left side, is the tamoguna, the right side is the rajoguna and the centre one is the sattvaguna. Means left side is the desire or the existence of desire; the right side is the creative force or what you call rajoguna means all the activities. And the centre is the evolutionary force which is called as the sattvaguna. So if you take to sattvaguna they said, then your mind will be all clear. But what is sattvaguna? At that point, they went wrong. They said if you eat vegetables, you will be sattvaguni. Then what about all the animals who eat grass? Is a wrong idea. It is not by eating grass you become that. No. It is a wrong idea. Sattvaguni means, the food that is in the centre. Again, too much of grass is very bad because you will get diarrhoea. Is wrong. Too much of meat is also wrong because you will get into trouble; you will get constipation. All right. What is the middle? If you eat cows, it is wrong, because it is too hot a food and is a very big, big – you see these things are there. So, the cow is not good. Because if you eat cow’s meat, I tell you - if you stop cows meat, if you stop eating cow’s meat, your teeth will be all right. Those who eat cow’s meat always have bad teeth. So the Muslims, it is never written in the Koran – no, never – that you must eat cow’s meat. It is not a religious thing. But that time, you see, nothing was available. In that country only cows were available. It was made a divine food by giving vibrations. And people would eat. Halal. It was given to God. And then, as we say grace, it was kept in the name of God, made into divine food and then given to human beings. All right? But who are the people who are making it halal? Are they priests? Have they got the right to make it halal? That is why the cow’s meat if you eat, is not prohibited in the places where it could be done in a halal manner. But where you can easily get a goat – goat, you see, is a mild animal – so if you get a goal, is all right; is in the centre. But what happened at the time of “yagnyas” (fire sacrifice) and all those people were sacrificing meat and all those things; you see, Hindus used to do this. Rama used to eat meat. Krishna used to eat meat. All “Kshatriyas” (warrior castes) used to eat meat. She is sitting here, ask her. Only the people who were Brahmin, who were seeking God would give up meat. But that also started a long time later. Because if you read the Upanishads, it is there – they used to eat meat, all of them. But the Buddhism when it came in, all right? The Buddhists thought, “Let us start a new trick”. Buddha Himself used to eat meat, of all the persons. In the end, He ate some pig’s meat in somebody’s house, it is written down. There was something wrong in the pig’s meat. Because you know pig’s meat is bad for one reason. Why it is not allowed also. Because it causes very bad liver. All the parasites of the world live in the pig. All of badhas live in a pig. You see it is such a dirty animal [UNCLEAR]. Not the pigs that you eat here. But in any place, normally – in India, if you eat the pig’s meat, they eat faeces, everything. So, there is no parasite in the world which lives in the liver of the pig, I mean, the body. Is not such a forbidden thing. But it is, in a place. Sahaja Yogini: It would really make common sense. Shri Mataji: Common sense, yes. Sahaja Yogini: That is what they were trying to preach. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes common sense. Absolute truth she said. Is the common sense and is in the centre. You use your common sense. In a place where a pig..in India, I mean, you never eat a pig. There are pigs and pigs and pigs. But in India, you will never feel like eating even a cow. Because they are such sweet things. You see, here the cows look like buffaloes. Yes, my granddaughter asked Me. She said, "Grandmother, how is it the buffaloes in this country are white?" Because she thought they were all buffaloes. Because Indian cows if you see, are very mild. Because in every home, there is a cow. Kept in the home. Now, from childhood the child sees the milk taken put from the cow and given to the child. It is like a mother. Now you don’t feel like killing your mother. Is a simple thing, you know. Is very much a common sense. But you cannot make a dogma out of it. They made a dogma out of it, arbitrarily. They made a dogma out of everything and they created problems. So when the Buddhists came, they thought, “Let us do something nice”. Because the Hindus were killing and all that doing – they were sacrificing animals. Just to take out the badhas and bad spirits. These are sensible things that have to be done. You know, if it a very big badha, you have to cut a big buffalo. You put the badha into the buffalo and cut it down. Is good. Is correct. But only for a person who is a Realised soul. Now how many there are? And to kill this Mahishasura, there was a big buffalo. Who later on came as a big rakshasa. Now he is again born in India. He is there. He looks like a buffalo. And he calls himself a big guru. Just like a buffalo he is. He is a big Mahishasura. And so to kill him, you have to kill the buffalo. But that is all right. So, this no violence, this is what is common sense. And religion is not nonsense. It is absolutely common sense. And your common sense comes to you from there only. All these abnormal things you are doing is not religion at all. You are going out of your way. So, this common sense, as she said, is the correct thing. Is the common sense of doing.The right thing was needed, “Evolve yourself”. And where did the ideas come in? From your unconscious. Was given to you. So, you just localise it and keep it. Now for Muslims, to have four wives. Is absolutely common sense at that time. There were so many men killed in the wars. Very few were left out. So many women were there. And somebody had to look after them. So all right, marry them. No prostitution. Sanctify it. In India, there was a question like this, where there were very few women. In the South, we have got a portion of Kerala, where so many men were there and women were very less. Because something happened, an epidemic. So we had a polyandrous society. And it worked. But it was common sense. Was tried. Finished. But then you do not stick on to it. It would be like when you have war, you have rations. All right. The war is over, everything abundance, everything – still you are rationing. Why? The food is getting rotten there in the thing. We are rationing you know because in the war this happened. Yesterday, I saw a Jew, looking so miserable and this, everything coming up. “And it is very wrong to kill people”. Now, this happened a very long time back. Now forget it. What are you talking in these modern times? It is all over. Hitler has gone away, war is over, everything. Now, what is the present-day problem? Let us face it as it is. He is still weeping about what is happened. Now, where is Hitler? He is killed, finished, everything is done. Now, what is the use of blaming Hitler and doing something today? Finish it off. That is what common sense is. And common sense comes when you decide everything is – you sit on a chair, that will be better. So, this is what is common. So I would say, “Use your common sense”. So, when you say, “Use your common sense”, use your vibrations on deciding anything. So, when it came to food also - for you people, the best thing is, to see the vibrations. Now he has got the food. See. This he has brought with love. But he had been to horrible gurus. So there is something of them also, is there. His personality. But his love is there. He has brought it with love. His love is there. Now what I am doing, is to give it vibrations. By vibrations, we can excite it. Make it absolutely divine. Every part of it which will go in your stomach will create new dimensions of awareness. In your stomach. It will cure your liver if it is something. But the same food could be, without vibrations would be nonsensical. You go to somebody’s house and you don’t feel like eating. Though the food may be very good, excellent – you don’t feel like eating. Why? You must ask. There are bad vibrations. The person has not cooked with love. He has not given with love. Or the man is not; there is something wrong with [UNCLEAR]. [Sahaja Yogi says something after responding to a phone call]. Shri Mataji: Impossible is coming? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t think so. Shri Mataji: Possibly. Possibly. So. Once it happened, I went to – I mean, it is a very common thing with Me, you will also see that, if you keep yourself alert, you can see. We went to somebody’s house and they had invited us to dinner. Very beautiful people to look at, very big house, very artistically done and everything. Nice three daughters, this and that – little, little girls. But as soon as I entered the house, I told My husband, “Better go back”. He said, “Why?”. “I must vomit, I am feeling like vomiting”. And before I could say anything more, I said, “Better take Me to the bathroom”. I vomited. He said, “Now what’s wrong here?”. He knows My habits you see. “What’s wrong?”. I said, “Something terribly wrong here”. So I told the lady. I said, “I am sorry to go back home. I am not well”. So she could not bear a woman sitting and vomiting so she said, “All right. You better go”. So we came back and My husband was very angry with Me. “What is this? We were the chief guests of honour and everything”. What to do? I just couldn’t eat the food and I came over. And poor man, what could he do also, see? I vomited a lot of food also. I mean, the food I ate at My home, I vomited. I could not take it in because that was also touched by bad vibrations. So he said, “What’s wrong? They are such nice people. Now You must tell Your stomach to behave itself”. But the stomach is religious you know. The stomach is religious. So I said, “All right. I will tell you after eight days what happened”. After six-seven days, a little girl came to our house with My daughter. Very miserable-looking child. And she was about same as My daughter’s age. And I asked her; her mother was a teacher in a school. And her surname was the same as that gentleman’s surname. So, I asked her, “Do you know him”. She said, “He is my father”. “Yes, he is my father. And my grandfather educated him. He became a barrister. He gave away the property. And he drove away my mother and three of us”. He had three daughters from the first wife. “And my mother has no money now. And she is working as a school teacher”. “And who is this one?”. “No, she got friendly with him in England. She is an Indian girl. He brought her here, he was carrying on with her, he used to beat my mother – all kinds of things”. So that woman’s you know and children’s crying and all that things were filled in that house. And I could feel it, in a way – so depressing. You see, when you are depressed, in a way, you don’t feel like eating, you feel like vomiting. It was so depressing. So I told him, “This is what kind of ..”. If I, now we may have to go to parties or something. They may start a cabaret or something. Even the name of cabaret, I start. Then I say, “Baba I can’t just sit down over, please take Me to the bathroom”. Then I go to the bathroom and vomit. I try to sit but I cannot. After three-four vomits he also comes out. They force us to – you know, the trouble is, the stomach is religious. The religion is in the stomach. You can’t see a woman selling her body and eating your food at that time. Oh God, it is impossible. So the stomach is religious. Which has the common sense. That teaches you. What is good. What is bad. So, for a Sahaja Yogi, it is important, that before you eat anything, give it your vibrations. And also you have to see what your body needs and what it gets. For example, you are a patient suffering from a liver problem. Then you should not have anything to do with things that spoils your liver. Just forget it for a while. Plus take things that have good vibrations or take things that are good for the liver. Your liver will be all right. You have to go, give it a three- dimensional effect. Then it works out. First of all, on the right-hand side is all the elements in that. Now somebody is suffering from the throat. For example, our, say Pat. He has a throat problem. Is much better now but he has, he is sensitive. And then he goes and stands in the rain. “I am a Sahaja Yogi. Why should I care”. This is not common sense. This is not sensible. This is not wisdom. Wisdom is that you have got a throat problem. Protect yourself, also take Krishna’s name. And do certain exercises that are required for the throat and do them and get all right. Now, this is what it is. Now the Hatha Yogis, they are doing all the time this and that. Why? What is wrong with you? Your stomach is all right, then why are you doing that exercise? You have to do this exercise here. Your heart is catching; you are doing this exercise? You see, they have no sense of proportion. There is something you have to do and there is something you don’t have to do. At a particular time. That is the thing. At this time if you are suffering from say, a heart attack and if you are doing that thing, “paschimatama” or something with the stomach; immediately I mean, you better prepare for a coffin and then do it. It is like that. It is sure and shot. I have seen so many yogis dying just like that. Just like that, they die. Or if they live, they are horrid. You just cannot face it. Very hot-tempered. Extremely hot-tempered, you know. And they are just like fire. Because they work on the right-hand side. Sahaja Yogini: So how do you know what [UNCLEAR/thing] is for what? Shri Mataji: Beg pardon? Sahaja Yogini: How do you know then? What told you then, the alternative? Apart from you personally being up there? What good is [UNCLEAR]? Shri Mataji: No, you see, your own chakras will tell you. You put your hands towards the photograph or even like this, you can see for yourself what is catching in you. You can feel it. That is why I have given you My hand photograph there. You see for yourself which is catching. And whatever is catching you correct it. And there are methods there how to correct it. So, this is what you do after Realisation. Before Realisation, you don’t do anything. You see, you understand the complete comprehensive thing. Then you find out what is the problem with you. You correct it. Now the problem is with your mind, say for example. You are doing Hatha Yoga. Hatha Yoga does not mean at all, you see – actually Patanjali nobody reads. That is the problem. Somebody who ran away from real yoga has come down, brought only these physical ones and you are following that. Which is the wrong thing. There are six things you have to do together. And Patanjali Yoga is such a big thing! Six things. You do that under a guru under complete discipline and abstinence. Complete abstinence. Imagine. But Sahaja Yoga is a different style. There are special ways of that. Is for you the householders, in the family life. Not these extremists. Nothing of the kind. It is for you who have lived a normal life – husband, wife, mother, father - they get it. None of these sanyasi babas will get it. Those who wear those dresses will never get it. They will have to change. Now you know why I say cut your hair a little bit. Don’t be an extraordinary thing. No. If you are extraordinary, then might be, some extraordinary thing will come, ESP – some extra sensitive personality will come and sit on you. We are normal persons, all right. Everybody has to be normal. But you see, it helps sometimes to have a little beard, because going to the barber is too much expensive. It is all right. Have the beard. It is quite normal. It is nice to have the hair which makes you totally not [UNCLEAR], but you can keep them bare. You cut. Respect them. They should not be dishevelled. They should be well-kept. And you should be well-kept also. If you come to Me, you will be surprised, all of you, at least once, you will get a massage on your head. At least, once you will get from Me, a nice massage on the head. See, your hair then should be done well. See, you should look [UNCLEAR]. This is also a self-destroying method. Before you sleep, as I told you, our Gus used to do that. See this Gus is the last word on this. Nobody could be better. So far, I have not met. If I meet somebody then I will give them this [UNCLEAR]. Now what he did? Listen to this; what he did. Hair all absolutely, never combed. And he never looked after his food. Never. He would eat anything, whatever he got. Wherever he slept. In his room, there was no heat, nothing. He was trying to say, sort of build-up himself. And, in the whole thing, he became a very sickly person. He could never bear Sahaja Yoga on himself. He was so sickly. I mean, the more I saw him, the more I wept. Which mother would like a child to starve? Actually, in Sahaja Yoga, fasting is not allowed. Fasting is not allowed at all. In Sahaja Yoga. Come along. If you are fasting then you cannot get Realisation. It is definite. Do you fast? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: Yes, I know you do. Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/I don’t starve]. Shri Mataji: You must eat. So, you see, there was a very great Sahaja Yogi from Pune. And he developed trouble of prostate. Prostate. And in the prostate gland, is our Ganesha sitting down. In the prostate gland. He is in the prostate gland. “Now imagine!”, I thought. He is such a great worshipper of Shri Ganesha. And he is a very celibate person. Come along, there is some space here. Come along. Come. Come in. There is such a lot of respect for Shri Ganesha in his heart. He is such a celibate man. And why should he get into this problem of prostate gland? I could not understand. So, I told him, “All right. Take this chana” – that I give to you all. I always give you to eat. “Take this chana and eat”. So, other fellow looked at him. “Today is Sankasthi, the birth of Ganesha, he does not eat”. I said, “That is the reason. Today is the birth of Shri Ganesha. You must eat. Oh God, how much He eats. He eats ladoos, and He eats this; you have seen His stomach. He is like a child. On his day you are not eating, you are making Him feel small. You must eat with competition on this day. There must be a competition of eating on this day while you are starving. Who told you this?”. He said, “All the brahmins say”. I said, “Which is it? Where is it written? In what shastra it is written, bring it just now and show it to Me”. “These Brahmins. They are rakshasas”, I told him. They have told you the wrong things. Telling you not to eat on a day when it should be celebrated. The other side is in England. When it is Christmas, drink. They don’t know. On Christmas day you should not drink at all to feel the joy. If you are drunk, how will you feel the joy of God? You miss the whole fun. It is just the opposite they do. Just the opposite. So, this is what they were doing for food, and I told him, “Just now, you eat this. Take it from Me”. He ate. And you will be amazed. After eight days his prostrate was completely all right. And every "sankashti" they starve, imagine – these mad people of India. Now another day is coming, the fourteenth day of now, after the – just before the Diwali day: Narakchaturdashi. That is the day one should not eat at all in the morning time. One should sleep the whole night. Because that is the day when Narakasura was killed. The greatest, one of the worst possible – I don’t know – what word should we say for a monster? Sahaja Yogis: Devil, demon. Shri Mataji: Demon. Demon of the last type was Narakasura. He could not be killed easily. And he was killed on that day. On the night. And to throw him in, the gates of the hell were opened out. See, that is such a day when everybody should sleep very well the whole night. And morning time they should sleep till eleven o clock. For example, last night was that way. You have to get up in the morning at eleven o clock. You all should have got up at ten or clock or eleven o clock. [TAPE 4]. Shri Mataji: Terrible thing. Now, why are you putting these dead in the church? Is that the place of the dead? Put them in a separate place. All these complications, in every religion they are. Muslims also. You go to any place – you go to Taj Mahal; there will be a dead body there also. Any beautiful place you go to – I mean actually, surprisingly – all the beautiful places are nothing but graves. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, when certain doors are opened by Your teachings, then will it be that these spirits will leave those places? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, that is what. They go away. But you see, you must keep yourself protected. And understand. Have wisdom. That don’t go near – what is the need for you to go near crematorium and all that? Have nothing to do. Why [UNCLEAR/mess it/necessary]? Why put your hands? Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/space]. Shri Mataji: Move forward, move forward. So why do you go near such places? You have nothing to do. You shouldn’t worry too much about the dead. You shouldn’t worry too much about the dead things. And you shouldn’t have anything to do with the dead. Is a simple thing. You see, that is not our area. That is on the left-hand side. That is the subconscious and the collective subconscious. Why should we worry about the dead? Dead are dead, finished, gone. Leave them alone. But here in London, you will find at least fifteen hundred people, calling the dead. They are calling the dead. They call them on a planchette, they do all kinds of things, there are spiritual churches by Greeks. Horrible people. Why do you want to disturb them? Let them be alone. Let them go away. You will be surprised, even if you remember the dead – your parents and things like that, it has an effect on them. Then I have to tell you to tell your parent that, "You (parent) should take your birth again. And I am all right". Then it works out. They have nothing to do with you now. You should say, “All right, you take your birth again. And I am all right”. This is how you must suggest. And if you go on indulging into them, the more you go an indulging into them, the worse it would be. Because you don’t know how to handle the situation on that side. Now, what are the situations you get? You get sometimes, this "extrasensory perception (ESP)". You think you are very great; somebody has come and told in your ears. But in India, if you – people know about it. They call it “karna pishacha”. “Karna” means ear and “pishacha” means a monster. A monster who comes and tells in your ear. Somebody is going to see you, you know that he is going to come inside. Then do not think you are great about it. No. If you are Realised, is a different point. Then you just get a feeling, vibrations inside. But if you are not Realised, and somebody comes and tells something in your ear, then you must know it is not good. That is ESP. And don’t try to have those ESPs around. These ESPs are nothing but people who are dead, who are busybodies. I told you they are busybodies and they are trying to bring some information to you. So, from the collective subconscious, they come down and try to oblige you. Now if the more obligations you take from them, the worse it is. Now suddenly somebody finds in their house, a Ganesha murti comes in – in India. There is one man who has got so many of them in India. Some have even got diamond ornaments on them. See, I have seen with My own eyes. And he came and told Me, that, “They have told me about You also, who You are. You are Hanumana’s mother, you are this, this mother..”. Because of the right-hand side, you know. They are coming from the right-hand side. So, these are the statues, they are worshipped by some dead people. And they are somewhere, here, there – in the storehouses of their children, [UNCLEAR] thrown away, all that. Not bothered. Or some people are not even doing proper worship. So these dead souls are bringing them along and putting them. He even writes, you know, things. He says, “Somebody writes for me”. Even if you do not know Sanskrit, they will be writing in Sanskrit. They say verses in Sanskrit, you will be amazed. There was a lady who came in My program, once, in the very beginning. And when she saw Me, “Huh, huh, huh...”, she started. I said, “What is this all going on, nonsense?”. She said, “The goddess has come into me”. ”The goddess has no other place but to come into you?”. But she went on and on, “Mother, I have come to see you, because you have come in person. I have heard You have come in person”. So the people got her out and they said she started speaking very good Sanskrit. And she was an ordinary maidservant. So people were surprised. How can a maidservant speak such a good Sanskrit language? Then she said all kinds of things about Me. She gave fifteen stanzas written by Markandeya in Sanskrit. Spoke on that. “This is what She is, this is what She is, this is what She is”, all described there. I said, “These dead people, these bhuts have to tell about Me; it is better that she goes away”. “Now will you please go away?”. There was one man, an ambassador, who came to Me and he became a Sahaja Yogi. Of course, his Kundalini was a funny thing – would not rise. He said, “I am a Sahaja Yogi”. I said, “You get realisation, then you will be a Sahaja Yogi”. “No, no, I am a Sahaja Yogi”. I carried on with him. He started writing great poems in the Sanskrit language, which he knew nothing. He started writing great poems. Now I told the thing that was in him, “Now get away from him. There is already one lady who is writing poems; they have seen her. She is all time doing like this and writing great poems about Me. She is an ordinary housewife. Has never done anything like that. She is writing great poems”. I [UNCLEAR/said], “Now will you please get out of her?”. They do not want to get out. So this man, I told him, “If you stop writing these poems, they will go away. Why do you write poems?”. He said, “No, I have become a genius”. I said, “Suddenly, how did you become a genius?”. He said, “Because I am a Sahaja Yogi”. I said, “I am Myself telling you that this is not your power. This is somebody else’s power. Why don’t you give it up?”. But he was feeling very great about himself. One day the thing left him. Sahaja Yogi: Didn’t Sahaja Yogis come together to purge him [UNCLEAR]. How did Sahaja Yoga start? Shri Mataji: What did he say? Sahaja Yogi: They start with the purging of [UNCLEAR]. Sahaja? Shri Mataji: No, it is a very old style. Sahaja, the whole thing is Sahaja. The whole evolution is Sahaja. You see, the whole thing is spontaneous. Sahaja means that, spontaneous. Born with you. It is all built into you. Like a seed. Has all the trees, map of it inside. Spontaneity. It has not started anywhere. It has started since the whole creation is... Sahaja Yogi: Yes, yes, that is true, but its manifestation – wasn’t it of the brahmin, priest? Shri Mataji: Yes, but this realisation business started in My lifetime, in My own lifetime, because I discovered, in My own lifetime, how to break the Sahasrara of human beings. My own evolution has happened. As you said that, it is the evolution of a deity itself. And then I started doing it. Have you been with Rajneesh? Sahaja Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: No? Thank God. So it was not the beginning or anything, but the culmination of it. The culmination. I actually saw the Sahasrara opening. Actually saw the pouring of it with My hand. I saw all that how [UNCLEAR/it is]. You see, that is why some people have an objection about other incarnations. Why didn’t they tell the whole thing? You see, up to the point you were, they could tell. What is the use of telling somebody if he does not understand? For example, Christ. Why didn’t He say ‘Kundalini’? Whom to tell – those fishermen? You see, the stage at which human beings are, you can tell. Sahaja Yogi: He actually said, “There are many other things which I cannot tell you”. Shri Mataji: He did say, He did say. So many things you know. If you read it you will see, so many things I said, He has already said it. But the things He did not say because – you know, it is a sad thing; He lived for only three, four years with those people. And they crucified Him. What a young age He died. He was of your age; He died. Think about it. It is a tremendous thing that happened. Very heart-wrenching. Horrible people. What about Muhammed Sahib? How they tortured Him, you have no idea. He had no place to live. He used to run from places to places with His wife and children. His daughter. They tortured them. That was not the time. Today they are not going to crucify Me. I know that. They cannot crucify Me. At most, they are going to say, “You cannot cure a person because You are not a doctor”. But they cannot crucify Me. So, the awareness is different. At a different awareness always it is worked out. Now Krishna, what He did – should we change the topic? If you would like, I would like to tell you about Krishna’s Sahaja style. If you like to hear, that will be sweeter. Rather than talking about this subconscious. Or want to have something – questions on subconscious style? Sahaja Yogi: No. Just that, yesterday was the only time I forgot to open your lemons. Woke up in the middle of the night feeling a bit crazy. So, I opened the lemons and went back to sleep. Somewhere in the middle of the night. It is the first night I did not do it, no? Shri Mataji: Yesterday was a horrible time, is it? So! Now he asked Me Sahaja style. I will tell you about Krishna’s Sahaja style. Tune yourself. Tune yourself with it. Then you will understand Krishna’s Sahaja style. Such a Sahaja system He used. This, all His plays with gopis was Sahaja. What He did? You see, “rasa”. Rasa means holding the hands together. Used to hold the hands. All right? “Ra” is energy, “sa” means with. He used to hold energy. Their energy through – who was “Ra”?; Radha was the energy sustainer. And He used to hold their hands. And the energy used to [UNCLEAR] rasa. Is the rasa. Now, what did He do? His Sahaja style was – of course, it was told to Me by – I sort of knew it, but sort of it was retold to Me by someone. I said, “Boghdan, you tell Me your experiences”. Like that, when I went to America, there was one Mr Lord who was an engineer. And when he got into realisation, he saw some of his past. Very strong man. I must say, one of the strongest Sahaja Yogis we have in America. A very strong person. And he saw himself being with Krishna. And he said, “What did I see Mataji? I was realising. When the Kundalini came up to this point, a light came and in that, what did I see? It was that we were small children playing. And there was a very bright, very illuminous child playing with us”. And what He does, you see. He saw. And he saw that all the children were playing. And they climbed upon each other like a pyramid. And broke a little, matka is it, pot. Earthern pot. In which some butter and some this thing was kept – butter and some... Sahaja Yogini: Dahi? Shri Mataji: Butter and some dahi. Some curd was kept you see. So they broke. Climbed on top and He broke. And the thing fell down. And everybody got filled with that. Now this man had never known Krishna, he had never known anything. He was an engineer and about fifty-five or so age of man. And he doesn’t know anyone. And it all fell down and [UNCLEAR]. Then an elderly lady came, you see, Yashoda. She came in and she said, “What? You have broken this? I will tie them together”. “And she tied us. You see, she tied us with a thing like this, a sari”. And, what he says there is the Sahaja. He said, “We found that our solar system was excited. And everybody was getting, sort of, their solar system excited”. Because it was tied to the solar system of Krishna and children of the same age, the same age group were tied together. So, the awakening at the solar system started; see the Sahaja style. And he also saw Me later. Which he described in a very, very correct manner. Forget that. But this is Sahaja. Now what Krishna did was, that Radha was the energy Herself. She used to go on the river Yamuna; put Her feet in that. Now you have seen when I put My feet in the water, it gets vibrated. It gets so vibrated that water can cure. All kinds of skin diseases, all kinds of stomach diseases can be cured – it is a wonderful thing. That is the river Ganges. It is more the river Ganges. Now, She used to put Her feet in the river Yamuna. Now, these gopis used to come and fill the water and walk with that. So, the vibrated water was on the head here. So, He used to break it. See. Break it with a stone. And that vibrated water would flow on their Kundalini at the time. Vibrating the Kundalini, awakening. This was His system. This was; He used play rasa. In that Radha used to give (Shri Mataji claps in rhythm) [UNCLEAR]. This is the pulsation, “spandana” as they call it, pulsation. Of that force. And She was keeping the time. And She was also holding it too sometimes, in Her leg. (Shri Mataji is probably tapping Her foot – a sound like a thumping beat), She was giving it. This is the heartbeat – of that force. And it used to vibrate, to awaken them. Because at that time, they were not Sahaja Yogis like this, learned. Some engineers, some this, very learned, [UNCLEAR], but were very ordinary, simple people living in Gokul and Vrindavan. So, that is how they played. And in that playing, they used to touch. Now here I call you, I call Cooly, “Now come along, put My hand here” – nobody would allow that kind of a thing. So what they used to take – a little kumkum and put it to Krishna. But they were so sensitive that they knew Krishna was great. Because Krishna showed His powers in His very, very early ages. At a very early age, Krishna killed Kalia. They saw Him killing two big rakshasas. When He killed them, they were actually in a tree. And when both the trees fell down, they came in their true state. He killed the Putana rakshasini. And all that they saw, with their own eyes. And ultimately He killed Kamsa. So He had the power to kill – “hanana”. Even today He kills. [UNCLEAR]. That is how He kills. [UNCLEAR] chakra. That is His style. If you are suffering from throat trouble, you have to do like that. Ha! So, this is what the thing is. So, you cannot say Sahaja was not there. That time Sahaja was there. Kabira. If you read Kabira, if you see him, see what he has to say. There is musical; we have got some bhajans or hymns that Kabira has written. He has said about Ida, Pingala, Sushumna, everything. And he talks about collective consciousness. And he talks about, also about vibrations. He talks all about them. Kabira is the same as Khalil Gibran. If you read Khalil Gibran, he is the same. If you read Zen you will understand. Zen is nothing but all Sahaja. Kahlil Gibran is all Sahaja. Rama was all Sahaja. Everything. His going to the jungles, He was sent to the jungles, the whole drama was played because bare feet Radha, Rama and Sita had to walk to vibrate the whole country. Christ was complete Sahaja; nothing else but Sahaja. You test Him, in everything He was nothing but Sahaja. You see the system of Sahaja means, “saha” means with and “ja” means born with you. The spontaneity that is within you works out. But at this time, the culmination point is there – on the Sahasrara. Where your Sahasrara is broken and you get your Realisation. And bhaktas and all promises got together. And the complete. And even you people. For example, I would say the Sahaja Yogis who have been with Me for the last four years know much more than you people. Much, much more than you know. They are much more sensitive. Stand much more than you. They understand much more that you do. You will also know. And will be, after some time knowing much more. Like the awareness you see. Will be given to you so much - as much as you can grasp it. Even telling it is too much sometimes. Yesterday when I was talking - I was thinking, some people it was going on the head. They were like this. Something, it was going from the sides. They were like this. And some of them were taken out from their clouds. They were blasted. And some of them felt it so much that they went away. And some of them, they did grasp something. They felt there was something. Different. New. That, if religion is one, it has to be integrated. It is like one tree coming up. One tree has many branches, had to be that way. Two flowers here, two flowers there. All flowers belong to the same tree. And the people have plucked them out – “this is my flower, this is your flower” – and the flowers are dead. It is one living tree having many flowers, at a different time. And their integration is to be understood through Sahaja only, means through vibrations, through Chaitanya. Now Markandeya Swami lived so many years back. He was Sahaja. If you read him, I mean, we sing him here. Markandeya we have to sing. If you have to understand, you have to sing. Markandeya, because He excites My chakras so much, the vibrations increase much more when you sing him. And Shankacharya was the greatest Sahaja. The real one – Adi Shankaracharya was the greatest Sahaja. Muhammad was the greatest Sahaja. All of them. Hazrat Ali was a great Sahaja. All of them. Buddha and Mahavira. All were Sahajas. With Buddha, the thing happened, He went round and round and round and round and came back [UNCLEAR/to Me]. And He thought all going round [UNCLEAR]. Because He was a human being who became really divine. An incarnation. And I would say this was the greatest. For Christ, because He was an incarnation. But He was a human being who became an incarnation [UNCLEAR]. But what are these Buddhists, horrible people, doing here? The worst possible people of [UNCLEAR] are Buddhists. They have no sense of any kind. Beggars. And using their sex and all those things, in the name of God. Now you people have to decide. If you have to go further and further, first of all, establish yourself in the Truth. No falsehood about this. Be truthful to yourself. First of all, you have to be truthful to yourself. Am I honest with myself? You have problems, I know. You have problems of centres because certain mistakes have been committed. All right. We will correct it. But first of all, be truthful with yourself. Because if you are really the greatest seekers, then you will find it because you have asked for it. For many years, for thousands of years, you have been seeking. And today you are sitting in London as ordinary people. Sometimes My husband says to Me, “What are you doing?”. I say, “I am doing the service of the saints”. He says, “Where are the saints? I can’t see them”. I said, “In modern times they are wearing suits and boots and jeans. You can’t see them. They are all saints”. Because those who are seeking are the saints. And those who are realised are the pirs, are the Brahmins, are the enlightened ones. Are the Christians. Are the baptised. Something like, at the time of Christ – in a hut, sitting like this He is talking. Horrible times. Worst possible things happened. They all passed through all that. You are all going to be tomorrow citizens of a new world. And you have to give them. The time has come. Because the time has come it has worked out. There was one flower in the beginning. There were five flowers. Now it is the blossom time. You have started blossoming. At the blossom time, how do they mature? Thousands and thousands of flowers into fruits. And you are going to mature. I was waiting for a certain time. Because you were to be convinced that all nonsensical things were to be given up. This is falsehood. This is not God. This is not what we are seeking. Needed some time to decide. But you cannot decide fully with this brain, I can tell you. Only you can rationalise it and come to some conclusions. But you have to experience. You have to become that. That is what you have to ask for. You see, even a person who is very ignorant on the education side could be a great Sahaja Yogi. We have people like that. You know, there is a man from a village who comes to us. He doesn’t even know how to write. He is a very, very great Sahaja Yogi. These people have met him. We went to his house, to his village. And you know, he had two to three hundred people gathered very devotionally. Arranged for us the program. And such Sahaja Yogis were there. And he comes to the programs every time, from that distance. And every time he comes to the program, he will bring a flower, a garland for Me. So, I felt a little bad. I said, “Everything time you have to spend so much money. Must you come all this way?”. He says, “Mother, you have solved my money problem”. I said, “How?”. He said, “You don’t know?”. I said, “ I don’t know”. He said, “I will tell you. We had one fam where we used to work. But it used to yield very little to us because it was a small farm. And part of it was absolutely useless. We never used to do any farming in that area. And one day a man came to me after I got my Realisation about seven, eight days later. And he said, 'This part of your land, we would like to take the clay from here? It is very good for making bricks'. And he is giving me enormous money. And with all that, if I bring one garland for you, why should you worry”. So, you improve materially in Sahaja Yoga, you see because your Laxmi chakra is improved. Laxmi gives you strength or “vaibhava” as the wealth. Lakshmi is a Goddess which has got the form of a lady. She is a mother. She is a mother. And a true mother will give – every bit of her material possession and every bit of her emotional possession to her child, you see. There is nothing in this world she will not give for her child. Nothing more important than her child is, so she is a mother; Lakshmi. Then She is also having in one hand, another like this – see Lakshmi? She gives you “abhaya”, She gives you reassurance – abhaya. And this which She gives. So the man who is supposed to be rich must have must people whom he has given some assurances. To whom they are “ashritas”. Dependents. He must have some people who are dependent on him otherwise he is not a “Lakshmipati”, but he is just a man who has money. Is a wretched thing. Is hopeless. This one. This one. He should be generous. All the time flowing. With this hand is flowing. Lakshmi. Now, She has four hands. On one hand, in these two hands, She has got a pink coloured lotus. Both the hands, two lotuses. Pink is a sign of love, of warmth. And the lotus is very cosy. She is the cosiest. A person who has money – in their house if you go, it should not be like a hospital. Everything painted out, all starched. Down you don’t know where to look, what to do – so nervous about the whole thing. It should be cosy, a cosy thing. Like the lotus. Is very cosy. Is very beautiful also. It is very beautiful and inside is placed, a nice bed. To rest. And it closes down in the night. And the fragrance of the beautiful pink lotus spreads all over. So, a man who has money should have a house like that. He should be always receptive. His house should be full of cosiness. If a man who is rich is miserly, he is not a rich person. He is not. In any way. He is not enriched at all because he is a miser. A man who is rich should have his heart open so that he receives anybody who comes in. Even a “bhunga” is a; what do you say to a bhunga in English? Sahaja Yogini: Bee. Shri Mataji: And the black? Black bee. Even the black bee comes in the lotus and makes it sleep on its bed. So, that is the sort of a rich man he should be. He should be beautiful and he should have “Shri Shobha” means he should have a glow about it. And he should be fragrant. These are the signs of Lakshmi. And of all the things, She Herself stands on a lotus. Means such a man should be so light. While if you see the rich people, Oh God! You don’t know how to face them. Immediately you will know they are rich. They will show off they are rich. They will bore into you. They will have such a weight. But Lakshmi is a light one. She mixes up anyone, She goes anywhere, She throws. That is what is a Lakshmipati. That is why it is vaibhava. It is not money. It is not wealth. It is much more than that. So, that is what is a Lakshmi. And when She is awakened, everything comes to you. That means whatever money you get, you get dynamic with it, beautiful things – out of little money, lots of things are done. There are people who will cook with small little things, and when you eat it, “Ah, it is so nice, so nice”. And you go to a big place and they have thrown a big dinner and a banquet. Whatever food, we could not even eat anything. Better go and eat something at home. It [UNCLEAR] with that kind of a thing. It is that. So Laksh,mi also rises. You also get money; you get materially better when you are a Sahaja Yogi. Your problems get solved. Many problems get solved. You become very artistic. Your creativity increases. So all happens because this power is within you. Because of Swadishthana chakra. This I will tell you some time now – seven chakras; what happens when they are awakened. Outside. Apart from inside. We had one disciple, Modi. He came to Me when he had no job. In India, if you have no job, it is a terrible thing to happen. He had a wife and two kids. And he came to Me and he got his realisation. Of course, he suddenly became very dynamic. He felt very much better. So I told him “Why don’t you decorate a ship?”. He said, “Ship? Decorate it? I have never seen wood; I don’t know what is wood and what is good”. I said, “You see the vibrations and do it”. He did it. Now he has a very good job. You develop new dimensions into anything. Because it is your own power which manifests. You know there is a power. Everybody says, “There is a power that is within you, that is within you, that is within you”. Where is it? Just you get it, “Now it is here”. It is flowing. And not only that it enlightens you, but it enlightens others also. This is the thing. It was the property of very few once upon a time. But historically, it should have been the property of many. Otherwise, people would not have been convinced. That is what happened. Gregoire had a very nice point about it. He said, “In the East, there were very few people who found it out. Christ found it or something. Then what happened with other people? They said, ‘We cannot find it’, so negate it”. They started negating it. They went on to the other side of it. So, they developed a collective awareness of society, of political awareness and this and that. They developed. But the main point was missing. So it had to combine. So this awakening had to come to the masses. So this en masse revelation is there. Had to. Historically. It is beautiful. This disciple of Mine, if you read his book you will know how a person can become absolutely dynamic. He was paranoid when he came to Me. Paranoid. You see, his head was going as if two big horns were coming out of his head. When he first saw Me, (Shri Mataji intones non-stop talk), I said, “What is he talking. God alone knows. Now how am I to know what he is talking”. I said, “Don’t talk to Me”. I can’t hear such people. He was going (Shri Mataji intones again). My husband also looked at him, “Now is this madman you have got in the house?” He was really like a madcap. And he improved so much. And now he has written a book you see [UNCLEAR]. And in such a short time. Now he is writing another book. You all must read his book. It is wonderful. Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear]. Shri Mataji: Ah? And Gavin is going to write another. She is going to write another. She is going to write about all these sadhus, babas and these gurus and all these people she has met. And all the occultism she has faced. And she knows that. Because it is an inside story. Because her husband did all that. So she is going to write all that. Any questions? You came today? For the first time? Has he come for the first time? Attendee: Yes. Shri Mataji: This one with the blue. First time? Attendee: Yes. Shri Mataji: All right, do come here. Come along. Please come. May God bless you. Sit down. Sit down. Now see, when I attend to a person, you should know that person has a problem. That is why I am more attentive to that person. And those who have no problems, I do not attend to them because they are all right. So, you should not feel hurt I am not attending. For example, Miriam, I do not attend to her at all. She is a born Realised. So, I don’t attend to her. And I use her the most, you see. So, you must know you are like that. Those who need repairs are attended to. This is a repairing shop, to begin with. Now let us see. He has not been to Me before I know. Just see his vibrations. Come along. So, you have to learn how to repair yourself, how to give Realisation, how to repair others. And how to enjoy yourself you must also know. But you have to go deep down into it. That is one thing I must tell you. Like you have to dig a well. You go to several places. But once you have found the water there, then you have to go deep down into it. Then again you will start digging other holes – you will have nothing but holes within. Go deep. You have to be deep. Tell your mind to go deep. Not to go into superficial areas. Your mind has been superficial in the sense that the depth was never felt. But when you felt the depth, remember it and catch hold of it. And go deeper and deeper into it. Because superficially if you exist, you cannot get much deeper. Only those who are seeking the depths of their own being can go far. Because we have Sahaja Yogis of different levels, I have seen. Some of them are very, very superficial. Extremely superficial. Even in India, there are so many who are superficial. What is the use? [UNCLEAR/short conversation between Shri Mataji and the newcomer]. Shri Mataji: What is your name? Newcomer: Antoni. Antoni. Shri Mataji: Antoni? Now, you been to some guru or someone? Have you been to some guru? Someone? No one? You have never been to anyone? You have listened to somebody’s lectures? Never? [Shri Mataji asks Sahaja Yogis to check the chakras]. Sahaja Yogi: Both Nabhis. Shri Mataji: Both Nabhis? Where are your parents? Parents? Father, mother they are here? Your parents, where are they? Sahaja Yogini: You speak what, Italian or English? Newcomer: Italian. Shri Mataji: Somebody Italian should tell him. Come along, come here, come here. He has not been to any guru or anything is it? [Sahaja Yogi asks in Italian]. Newcomer: [UNCLEAR/taking drugs]. Shri Mataji: I was about to ask him. Nabhis, both. I was about to ask him that question. But I was a little worried about him. You see, both the Nabhis. Drugs. Drugs. Both the Nabhis. Drugs. I was about to say that. But I thought he will feel hurt. So, let him sit down there and take out for a while on the right-hand side. Go and they will tell you what is to be done. All right? Now, what about you? Are you all right? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: What about your friend? Come along. Sahaja Yogi: Which hand should we put out the window? Which hand out the window? Shri Mataji: Just now for the right, you put towards Me and left you get out. Now all of you can tell him. Now see for yourself. Which finger is burning. You put yourself in a bandhan. You give a bandhan to your aura. He is not yet realised; you have to work on him still. A little bit on him. But others are. Now. Seven times. Now you just tell Me. What is the thing [UNCLEAR/working out] on her? Tell Me, all of you. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogis are checking and clearing]. What else? She is saying the same, Swadishthana. This is a serious problem. It is here. Now you see, you put these thumbs in your ears. It will be better. Let us see. Are you all set-up? Much more relaxed. Are you? Now tell Me, which one is catching? It could be easy to know yourself. Now, even better. Now which one is catching, see first. No, they will tell. Sahaja Yogis: The whole right hand. The Nabhi. Right Nabhi. Right Agyna. Right [UNCLEAR]. Right over there. Shri Mataji: All right. So let us sit down with the right hand first and [UNCLEAR]. Can you take out your socks also? Sahaja Yogi: Which hand did you say was to be outside? Shri Mataji: Right hand towards Me, the left hand outside. The one which is bad has to be towards Me. Left outside. Is better. Is it? Sahaja Yogi: He was getting a cool breeze last night. Shri Mataji: He is. He actually got Realisation. You see, I never saw him last night. I saw him the previous day. Did I see you last night again? Newcomer: No. I was there. Shri Mataji: I did not see you. That is why I thought that; but still. Now, what about your father? Don’t write to him? Newcomer: Sometimes. Shri Mataji: Very unhappy about him? You are married? Turn around. Turn around. Come along. A little bit here on the right-hand side. You can feel it also. All right. Better now? Is he better now? What is your name? You never told Me. Another newcomer: Sheela. Shri Mataji: Sheela. [BREAK/UNCLEAR comment by someone]. Shri Mataji: You will be. Absolutely. You are to be absolutely cleansed and made into beautiful swans in the lake of God’s [UNCLEAR/realm]. Feeling better? Now, what is your name? You never told Me. Newcomer: Alfred. Alfred. Shri Mataji: Alfred? Is all right. Kumar? The right side is better? Everything. Are you feeling vibrations? Newcomer: A little. Shri Mataji: Are you feeling, both the hands? Vishuddhi is good. Sahaja Yogis: No. Sahaja Yogi: Taking the Left Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Left? Other Sahaja Yogis: Right. Shri Mataji: Both sides? I was just wondering – an Englishman having a good Vishuddhi, I have not met. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogi mentions the name of a boy and everyone laughs]. Sahaja Yogi: He is only a couple of years old. Shri Mataji: Don’t call him an Englishman. He is beyond. He is a born Realised. Born Realised don’t belong to any nation. No, because [UNCLEAR/properly] may be the reason. Let us see now. (A little loudly): For all the English people, get out of this Vishuddhi problem. See, never to say a harsh word to anyone. That is the best thing. Never to say you see. Never to be in the quarrelling style is the best way. The way we answer back, and we think, “What is wrong?” Is not [UNCLEAR] you see, because you people have been very, very powerful politically, once upon a time. Then on top of that, you smoke. And all over the places, there is smoke. And the Vishuddhi gets [UNCLEAR/blocked]. [End of tape 4 and end of workshop recording].

Workshop in Euston, London, Day 6, "You all are Shri Kalki", November first, 1977 [Four tape recordings; a break in the audio might exist between two sequential tapes]. [Tape 1] Shri Mataji: … And out of it right now. See, but we take it for granted because it’s God obliged [unsure], it’s all right, we don’t know how God has made it and how marvellous it is. In the same way, if this is a living process and it’s the most important thing, it has to be the easiest. It has to be all built-in there. Like a switch, you have to just put on the light. But of course, there is a big mechanism behind it. That is what it is. And how they have built it, that I have told you yesterday. How they themselves chose to come down and built it up.Ha? Sahaja Yogi: Seems to be cool on the right but still catching on the Left Heart [unclear]. Shri Mataji: Now see, he is telling you, you can also tell the same thing. You have got that paper of My hand? You see, it is written on that, where do you feel, what you feel and all that. Please keep it carefully. Now, all right? Sahaja Yogi: Now I am feeling better on the right. Shri Mataji: Left Nabhi is upset you see. Very upset, ambitious. Put your attention to God, all right? Put your attention to your heart where He resides.Hm. Sit.Sahaja Yogi: Swadisthan.Shri Mataji: Right?Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear]It’s better now. [Shri Mataji is clearing out catches].Shri Mataji: What is your name?Sahaja Yogi: My name is Dani, short for Vincent.Shri Mataji: Vinny?Sahaja Yogi: Dany.Shri Mataji: Vincent?Sahaja Yogi: Vincent. Yes. Shri Mataji: All right, how is she?Sahaja Yogi: All right better.Shri Mataji: Now you are better. I say, "How you feel?" and you turn around. Now see, you should not think of all these things, wasting your energy.Sahaja Yogini: Sorry.Shri Mataji: It is all right. Wasting your energy on nonsensical things all right? So, what you have to think that it is such a great fortune, all right, to be able to get Realisation. Isn’t it? How many people have got Realisation?Sahaja Yogini: I don’t know.Very few. In this country, very few. And it is such a great source of joy and happiness.To establish it, you have to completely depend on God. Then you see, you give Him some areas, you see, for his realm to work out. As I say this, it’s being better. You see, you just allow Him to work it out. And how He solves the problems, you have seen He solved some of your problems already. It is better to get rid of people who are horrid. Sahaja Yogini: I’m having the same problem.Shri Mataji: Hm?Sahaja Yogini: It’s similar to my problem.Shri Mataji: Is it?Sahaja Yogini: Yes.[Laughter] Shri Mataji: On the left side. Just leave it alone. Leave it.Better now. Okay?Your pillow must be hard, don’t sleep on a hard pillow. Be very particular as to where you sleep. This is a very important chakra as I said, do not [inaudible].Now see.He is looking so much better already. May God bless you.You are looking so much better, I am saying.Sahaja Yogi: It is this place, you know.Shri Mataji: You are so very sweet! How you accepted Sahaja Yoga! I do not know.Sahaja Yogi: Mother, it’s [laughter].Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Shri Mataji: Now how simple you are. If you are simple, it is the easiest way.Sahaja Yogi: If you are simple. It tickles my heart, a place like this. No, there. This is very, very- this is why the first question I asked you was about the fear of the mind. Shri Mataji: It’s a horrid place you go to. Terrible places. And when you will get Realised you will feel even worse. Because you see, with this new condition that you are into, you will feel terrible, because you will be feeling it all coming from all sides attacking you.Sahaja Yogi: I feel relaxed Mother.Shri Mataji: No, you feel relaxed but when you go to that horrid place, where you have been before. Where you have been, I am saying. You will feel, sort of again being attacked more if you go near them, those people. Where you have been I am saying. He is a boy who went to TM. And he is suffering already from terrible- what do you call that?Sahaja Yogi: What is it?Shri Mataji: Skin problem. [Inaudible] It’s terrible what he has. Instead of improving it, you see, they gave him on a mantra. And that mantra that he would die with that mantra. You see, it’s like that, they are very cruel. Because they thought, it is better for such people to die so they get out of the organisation. Then they use their spirits later on. Oh, they are terrible these TM people. They want to kill people whom they can use the spirit later on. They are introducing nothing but spirits in you. Horrible people they are. Sahaja Yogini: I was going to ask you that. What happens just when our physical body dies? What do you say?Shri Mataji: Your physical body, when you die, you don’t die fully, only a part of it would die, you see, comes out like a - what you call – that portion is called as the earth element, you see, whatever is made of the earth element comes out. And the water element gradually disappears, evaporates you see, becomes smaller and smaller [inaudible].But if you are a sort of a person who is very much still desirous and not a satisfied person at all, and you have some hatreds left in you and sort of a vengeance left in you – such people, you see, don’t want to die, really, in the real sense, because they think that, "We should be somewhere in the atmosphere". So, they hang around. They do that.Sahaja Yogini: As spirits.Shri Mataji: As spirits.Sahaja Yogini: And make a nuisance of themselves.Shri Mataji: Yes, they are very busybodies.Sahaja Yogini: Right. Shri Mataji: They can be quite troublesome, they can be very harmful, they can be cruel. Some of them are monsters also. Some of them are evil geniuses. And they are all captured by these horrid people. And they use them. And they introduce these into you. And they give them names you see. They can even give the name of Jesus, they can give a name of Rama, they give this, that and all that. And they can give them this work. There is no question of transformation. No question of transformation. The only thing what they give you is a way by which there is another spirit that comes in. And then you feel a little better because the spirit is looking after you; you are like a drunken person, you see. You are like a drunken person. Your awareness is absolutely zero at that time. But another one is working through you. Your instrument is used. May God Bless You. Shri Mataji: Sharda, what time you rang up? Because I telephoned – your phone was ringing, ringing nobody was receiving.Sharda: Yes, somebody downstairs, they’re all very busy. It is actually outside my, Ravi’s flat.Shri Mataji: Ah. I was wondering how to tell you.Are you all right now?Sharda: Much better. Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji? Is there a possibility of any our chakras being possessed, by any of these spirits?Shri Mataji: What is it?Sahaja Yogi: The chakras, can they be possessed?Shri Mataji: Chakras do not. Chakras do not. But you see, what happens that the chakra is a thing made out of two sorts of things, you see: the left-hand side and the right-hand side. So, what happens, in the chakras there is deity placed inside that thing. Now it is a sort of a three-trap door, you can call it, a three-trap door. By two traps coming together, it makes a chakra, like that. And inside this is awakened, a deity sitting down there, which is working out, regulating everything. But in the beginning when you are not Realised, then the Deities are doing their job, all right? They are balancing you, they’re looking after you; everything they are doing through the parasympathetic activity, which is there all the time acting in you. But you are not aware of them at all. You are not aware of your chakras, neither you can control. Because parasympathetic you cannot control. Now, what is a parasympathetic? I will tell you. Supposing you want to increase the beat of your heart, you start running, the beat of the heart increases. But it reduces by itself. You cannot do anything about it. So, the one that reduces it, that is known as the ‘auto’ we can call it or whatever they may call it. That is the one that is done through the parasympathetic activity. It gives you the balance, it also gives you the harmony it gives you the peace and the sleep, and all those things come thought the parasympathetic. Now this parasympathetic is the central thing that I showed yesterday, the Mahalaxmi power. That is the one who is expressed outside in the gross as parasympathetic. You see, yesterday, the whole lecture turned out to be so much of incarnations that I could not talk on this medical terminology. But maybe I might be able to do it next time when I say or otherwise. Because people get bored with these scientific words also. Now these Deities which are settled down on these chakras, you see, they sleep off. If there is too much activity on both the sides, and a man in his own freedom refuses to listen to them, he goes to the extremes of one thing, they just give up. They are not bothered. At a- till one point they go on working, suggesting. Also, they make you, you know, supposing you are overdoing something. Then you feel heated up, you feel exhausted – that is the indication all coming from them. But still, you don’t listen. You go on doing bad things. You go on doing horrible things then they sleep off. So, once they sleep off, then what happens that your mind, your mind itself is a creation of these elements, you see. The mind is the creation of the elements. So, we have in the mind, ego and the superego, both the things. So, in the ego and superego, an entity can enter into your ego and superego - and through that, they act on your sympathetic nervous system. For example, if somebody enters into the ego. This fellow TM mostly puts them on the ego side. So, you see what happens: he takes up your ego, he starts working. And you feel very dynamic for a while. And you start doing a lot of work and you feel relaxed for a while because somebody else has taken your responsibility, you see. You are not doing anything. But when you are exhausted, after three-four years, you discover that you are nowhere. And you are left high and dry and that fellow disappears. And he makes you very weak. Out of proportion you work, or whatever you do is out of proportion. So, this is what happens with this TM. But he gets all the money for your work. That is what it is. So, the chakras are in a way not caught up. In the chakras, the Deities are sleeping. So, the area they get it. So, then we have to decide our chakras like this: when the Deities sleep then what happens? The chakras become like this in the sense the areas are formed. Now, these empty areas can be occupied by some other entities. Or could be even in this stage, they can be occupied, in this stage. When they are fully like this and opened out, that is the best. That stage is the best. But normally it is never so. Normally it is always - at least a minimum for Sahaja Yogis also - they have some space left like that. You see, to be absolutely Sahaja, then this is it that you leave everything to God, it will become like this. That is very difficult, very difficult.[Laughter] Sahaja Yogi: The ego fights.Shri Mataji: Ego, yes. Ego is a problem.Sahaja Yogini: Lack of faith also.Shri Mataji: That is also true.But with experience, you must have faith, you see. You try to do it, increase the area by putting more onto it, “All right, let it Mataji, let Mataji do it”. You say like that. Now it works out everything. Now, these people are doing it now. They are understanding the value of that. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, I found it rather strange, yesterday. When You were trying to raise or raising people’s Kundalini, the time I got it most strongly, I mean most strongly, You hadn’t even said a word. It was when You came in and this lady started to sing, my heart felt as if it was going to burst, and my body was going berserk. I was quite frightened.Shri Mataji: That is very true. I knew that. Because she sang this song, you see. Even now it will happen.Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Because what she sang is in my praise, you see, that is the Mahalakshmi praise. Because I am the power behind all these things, so she sang Mahalaxmi praise. And now by that, my chakras, you see, these things started - they got so excited about it and they started flowing. And I told her also, “How am I to speak now?”. Because my whole body was shaking with her. If you see, when they sing these things to Me, especially when they do my puja, it is so many vibrations. That is why the puja is to be done. But we don’t allow, you see, unless and until you are at a particular stage.Sahaja Yogini: Well, I thought I had to leave the room. Because I was about to burst. Yes, the longer you sang, the more it got like that.Singer: It’s is a long piece. I cut it short.[Laughter]Shri Mataji: Even in India, even if they say a hundred and eight names of the Goddess, they say. And I say, “Now, finished now, you receive it at least”. Because you are not yet that much sort of bigger hearts. You don’t have that bigger heart to receive all that, you see. And I think that you are not receiving all that and then I feel a little uncomfortable, here. That I am giving too much and while you are not receiving. So, then I said, "Stop it. Now it is too much". Sahaja Yogini: Then I was just going to ask you because really, I was really a kind of terrifically beating very hard and jumping about. But when I let it go and stopped feeling frightened, it stopped. And then I just got so high it was incredible. I could not believe it.[Laughter]Singer: You must understand one thing if – when I am in front of Mataji and sing, first of all, I get so choked, I can’t open my mouth. I, -it is an effort for me to sing.Sahaja Yogini: It was beautiful I thought.Shri Mataji: It is, you know, it is the happening. It is the experience. It is not just giving you a lecture, "Oh, it is very beautiful". No, no, you should feel it.Singer: It is to become as You were saying in India.Shri Mataji: To become. Becoming is the point, becoming is the point. But if you are true seekers, you all will find it. But there are some very superficial ones. You know yesterday one boy came drunk absolutely. And he was talking so foolishly. Actually, I do not know how to make out a drunk man. I really must know. Because I did not know what it is – they all told Me, "He is drunk, Mataji, he is drunk". I said "Really, is he drunk? Then take him away". He was arguing and arguing with Me.Sahaja Yogini: Who was the drunken one?Sahaja Yogi: He was a psychologist.Shri Mataji: No, no he is not a psychologist.Sahaja Yogi: No?Shri Mataji: No, he said, "I am also like a psychologist". He was drunk absolutely. Imagine coming to a meditation! He said, "I came to see what things you do here". I said, "Are you Inspector General?"[Laughter] You see, this is what we are deceiving ourselves, you see. Supposing I sit here. Supposing I say, “There is a diamond lying here”. You must come and see at least, what it is like, isn’t it? It is really too much for people. That is [inaudible].What Bogdan says that, “It’s beyond me. Now, I just can’t think about it. It is too much”. But it is so. I mean it has to be done. It has been promised to you in all the books. That this will be done. You will be taken into the Kingdom of God. Everything has been promised. Now you mean to say that God is a promise-breaker? Either the Bible or the Koran, all of them are wrong. Or they are correct, it has to happen. But when it has to happen, they just don’t believe in it.[Laughter] Sahaja Yogini: I was coming to [unclear] center. I bought a return ticket to the train. And when I got down at [unclear] center, I lost my ticket. And I searched everywhere. I couldn’t find it. I was very frightened, "Now these ticket fellows will catch me. I’m sure I’ll get into a lot of trouble and penalised". So, I prepared myself I though, "I’ll first go and apologise and tell them honestly, "Look you can search. I have bought one but I cannot find it" I prepared to pay the penalty also, whatever you charge me ". I went and stood there – not a single ticket collector, Mother. [Unclear]. I stood there for five minutes looking very guilty whether to go or to stay there. Or leave there and I said to my [unclear], "Now let me leave, if somebody is behind me, then I will stop". Nobody came. I was looking behind watching for the longest pause.Shri Mataji: How things work out, it is so remarkable.Singer: Really, how to answer this?Shri Mataji: You see, after all, God is not going to allow this Creation to be destroyed by this tomfoolery people. He is not going to allow this Creation to be destroyed. You must know. Now I will say one thing: if you go on thinking of nonsensical things, there can be some busybody around, he will enter into your head. All right? And you will start doing something foolish. You just do not allow your mind to drift like that. You give her a “limbu” [lemon], it will be a better idea, I think. You can give it in her hand for some time. All right, sit now for a while, I’ll see that.Sahaja Yogini: Thank you. Sahaja Yogi: Mataji.Shri Mataji: Yes, Binny?Sahaja Yogi: I think last night you said that the first thing was to be holy?Shri Mataji: Was made like that. See, the world was made like that. First the holiness was made. Now think if the Mother has to create something. What She will do is the protective thing, isn’t it? For her children. So, what is the best thing for her children is the holiness. So, She creates, you see, the atmosphere of holiness, to begin with. That is the first thing She created. And what is holiness? It’s the complete faith in the Mother, in the love of God isn’t it? Complete faith. Then you just do not do anything wrong. There is no temptation, nothing. You just live in that eternal peace and joy and happiness. You are not bothered about anything. That is what She created for your sense of security. For everything, She created that. But later on, humans beings lost it. All right? Because of their freedom, doesn’t matter. Once you become collectively conscious, actually in the subtle form, you get connected with that holiness which was spread out a long time back. Which is in a subtle form. Holiness is the same as love, as Divine love is. It’s the same as the truth. It’s the same as the joy. All these things put together is holiness. That is known as "Brahma tattva". It’s known as the essence of Brahma, "Brahma tattva".And Christ was made of that. Completely embodied, imagine. His body was also made "pranav". It was not made at the time when He was to be born. It was made thousands and thousands of years much before as Mahavishnu. First, He was made as Ganesha and then Ganesha was made into Mahavishnu, in which Kumara’s body also was made. See, Kumara also was brought in. Actually, it is more Kartikeya than Ganesha is. In the Christ, it is more Kartikeya.Sahaja Yogini: Kartikeya.Shri Mataji: More Kartikeya.Through vibrations [Hindi] omkara.You know any Kartikeya, Christine? Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: You know.See it. Better. [Hindi] We have got one, in the Finchley if you go, there is a big one. We have put a statue of Kartikeya. We’ll see the vibrations of that. He was specially created to kill a very bad demon. And his power was put into Ganesha, you see. And that is how Christ was created.And that too Radha created Him, re-created Him. I mean sort of, they used those. First of all, they evolved these people and then they put them together. There are eleven rudras in Christ. Eleven rudras. Eleven powers of destruction He has got. Eleven powers. Which at the end of the world, He will take them. Eleven rudras. It is not a simple thing. Christ does not mean a simple thing the way we are all over the world. [Unsure] Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji, what is the source of demons?Shri Mataji: Demons?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: Demons are human beings only, you see, most of them. At the animal stage also, they are. But more on the human styles, when they go into extremes. You see, when they go into extremes of doing things and when they become egotistical too much, or too much sly also, you see, they become demons.Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Going into the extremes, they fall out. Going into the extremes they fall out and either they go to the collective subconsciousness they fall out. This side they go to the preconsciousness and to the supra consciousness and they fall out somewhere. They are all demons.Sahaja Yogi: Are they lost forever Shri Mataji or can they also-Shri Mataji: You see, the demons are- they go to hell, like a jail it is. They pass through all that and still retain some of their problems and come back, you see. Sahaja Yogini: Mataji [unclear]. When I asked You the question about when the physical body was dead, died, what happens to your Spirit? Because we are not to end, aren’t we, as You said last night, there is no particular religion to relate to what is true too.Shri Mataji: Yes.Sahaja Yogini: Because there is a better world after. So, what does happen Mataji? What do you-Shri Mataji: I told you.Sahaja Yogini: Do you reincarnate again?Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, yes.Sahaja Yogini: Immediately.Shri Mataji: You mean, after you have gone to a proper place where you rest for a while.Sahaja Yogini: Yes, yes. And you are aware that you are there.Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. You are there aware absolutely aware, into the collective subconscious, you are there. And there you stay on. And then you come back from there, you are reborn and reborn and reborn many a times.Sahaja Yogini: Actually, revived.Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. You come back and evolve on this Mother Earth only. Not there.Sahaja Yogini: And eventually when you get pure enough, you can get off the-Shri Mataji: No.Sahaja Yogini: That syphon.Shri Mataji: I would say – you would say that first, you evolve from the animal [stage] to human beings you are getting purer and purer. That means your awareness increases. But when you come to the stage of the human being as you are today – now we have immediately jumped. This is the first time, in your own awareness, you have realised that you have jumped into a new awareness. First time.Before this, everything was done without your knowledge. From amoeba to the human stage.Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Now at the human stage only, you realise that you have jumped into a new awareness. Because that is the reason, because God wanted you to know this! That is why He gave you freedom. Sahaja Yogini: So, what is the next step?Shri Mataji: Next step is doubtless awareness. In which there are no doubts in your mind, nothing – but you remain in complete joy and you start doing even [unclear].Sahaja Yogini: Even while we are here on Earth?Shri Mataji: Oh! Very much.Sahaja Yogini: In our body?Shri Mataji: Oh, of course. Of course. And after that, you go into complete Self-realisation. That is, sitting down here you just feel, “I Am”. That is all. You move about in the whole world it seems like a drama going on. You are not bothered. And then you start controlling the elements also at that stage. Then there is God’s realisation into which you can jump into. Let us see how far you people are willing to go. I am with you. We will work it down together. Sahaja Yogini: You see, Shri Mataji, I hope you don’t mind me asking You.Shri Mataji: No, not at all, not at all.Sahaja Yogini: I want to ask You, cause it’s too worrying, all right? The thing is when you get Self-realised, and if what happens, happens like it has been happening to me, rightly. And you obviously recognise everything else outside is kind of not really real – but a kind of waking nightmare. You can still cope with it, don’t you?Shri Mataji: Yes, you’re right. Yes, because it is a drama you understand. You laugh at it and make fun of it. And you can play with it also. You see, you understand the illusion about it. But then after some time, you can create illusion also. Sahaja Yogini: When you become- you’re not attached to it, it is easier to stay detached anyway.Shri Mataji: Of course.Sahaja Yogi: Right.Shri Mataji: But only that, but you work out many things sitting down. What I am saying was, that you become connected with them in a subtle form. And you start acting on them. Sahaja Yogi: It’s like you play your flute lighter than theirs.Shri Mataji: Of course, of course.Sahaja Yogi: So, they resonate to you.Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, that’s how is it. You become an absolute flute then, you try and take tune up.Sahaja Yogini: Yes, because there are some very overpowering people. And I am thinking of the one I live with.[Shri Mataji is laughing]Sahaja Yogini: Who, when he is present, knows and negates all my feeling of joy without saying anything, it’s like he closes you up. It can be a very strong personality.Shri Mataji: They are, they are, some of them are all the time crying people also. You see, they all can be corrected. It’s due to the imbalance in them. Too much drawn towards the subconsciousness, too emotional.Sahaja Yogini: That is emotionally depressing.Shri Mataji: They think of the dead and the death and all that is gone by. And that’s horrible that is going to happen to them, that time. You can change all of them.Sahaja Yogini: I hope so.Shri Mataji: Even with my photograph. If you ask them to take a treatment of photograph as they do, they will be changing very fast. We had some people last time who come to see us. They are absolutely changed. It is quite easy. Can you put on the light? Is there any shawl around there? Nothing?[Inaudible]Shri Mataji: All right, a sweater. Shri Mataji: Vishudhi, somebody is catching.Are you better now? Now see, this is, see now, this is such a child’s play. You know what is this? This is a lemon, you know that all right. This is- has a coefficient as the same - or you can say, this has a very good meson [subatomic particle] on which Shri Ganesha can act, you see. His vibrations can be active. So, what we do through these– these can be ordered through vibrations when I put my vibrations on this, to suck in the spirits that are in other people.So, her problems are sucked into this.Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Then you take this and put it in the water [after use]. They can be dissolved. You can cut them off and they can be liberated. All things can be done with this. Instead of putting them in the pigs as Christ did it, I am putting them in a vegetarian manner.[Shri Mataji is laughing] [Shri Mataji and a Sahaja Yogini have a conversation mostly in Hindi].Shri Mataji: has three children poor thing. Left her.Sahaja Yogini: My son – there has been a big problem.Shri Mataji: What happened?Sahaja Yogini: He (her husband) had come here with a lot of money. Spent it all on women. Then he called the son, “I need four hundred pounds”. [UNCLEAR]. Said in front of everyone, “See my son is asking for money. What is a son for? Why doesn’t Ravi come himself?” Shri Mataji: All right, what happened was good.Sahaja Yogini: He is sitting at home very depressed.Shri Mataji: Why to sit depressed?Sahaja Yogini: In front of everyone, it was said.Shri Mataji: Tell them, “He did not give us a penny”.Sahaja Yogini: He is not going to say that.Shri Mataji: All right then let us stay in peace.Sahaja Yogini: He said, “Let it be”. He phoned today.Shri Mataji: Call him here. I will talk to him.Let him come anytime. What happened was good. It is good now.Sahaja Yogini: Yes, my goodness, what a behaviour.Shri Mataji: What a relief. Now you say Sharda, it is Sahaja. Otherwise, your son was not going to escape from his clutches.Sahaja Yogini: Absolutely. Is just like a lunatic. And yesterday when Your talk was going on, Mother, in the hall. I had said the day before yesterday, “We had met Mother in [UNCLEAR]”. To the mad father. When he was told he said, “I am not going to come anywhere”. And he eats like a rakshasa. Every half hour.Shri Mataji: The rakshasas have come into him.Sahaja Yogini: Every half an hour he is hungry. Something has to be given to him. So, I told Ravi, “There is some bhut inside that”.Shri Mataji: Better not, call Ravi here. Let us see.Sahaja Yogini: He was going to come today. He was tired. “Tell Mother, when can we speak?”.Shri Mataji: Take a ‘limbu’ today. Tell them. [Shri Mataji speaks back in English]. 39:05Now this, her case I will tell you. She is an Indian lady. She was married at the age of seventeen. And our Indian men are very, very oppressive type. Sometimes can be. But she did not realise he was such a monster as he was, you see. And he took to this kind of same thing as these people are doing you see, – giving mantras and this and that. He became a guru. And he was a very big crook you see, very big crook. And he took a sanyasa and made all kinds of dresses and all that. And he had a very big business. He was a very big, rich man, businessman and all that. And in that group, he used to call lots of young girls and young boys and all kinds of things he was doing. Big, big political leaders, all these people used to come. And she was the wife. She used to see all that, you see. And he would come home and beat her. She was staying upstairs and her children – she had a very intelligent boy, her son. And he also, because of all these things, the son also developed a kind of disease. What is it called? Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR].Shri Mataji: And, you see, it was very much-Sahaja Yogini: Not ordinary beating but beating with brandish also. With iron which was hot. Because they would not do homework. And he would sort of kept, I’m just telling for you to know all - He kept a teacup like that in the wrong place, that was enough. Or he went in the bathroom, had a bath and forgot to put the soap back in the tray, it was enough to be brandished.Another method of his torture was you know, the belt – take out and beat. And beating was never done quietly. It was always done in front of the servants, visitors, guests. And I used to sort of go in between and tell him, “You can beat me, but not my, not the children”. I tried to save as much as possible by taking it on me. But it hasn’t. But the sum total is, he was totally under, what you call – occultism. A lot of gurus and spoilt him. He wears black clothes and is very, very unsettled in mind. At night he used to scream at the top of his voice sometimes. And use women as his instruments. I don’t know how women become his instruments. I don’t know. I don’t know whether you know. David Lean a famous film producer had an Indian wife. She lives in Grosvenor House now. She is his instrument. Such a rich woman. David Lean had settled twenty-five million pounds on her.Shri Mataji: What is her name.Sahaja Yogini: Lean. [Leila Matkar] David Leila name. He had given her Grosvenor House flat and settled twenty-five million pounds on her. Shri Mataji: All right. He did all that and then tortured her very much. And she did not know what to do, you see. So, one day she ran away from the house, again she ran away from the house to her father’s place. And there she studied. And by studying and all that, she got a degree and all that. And she became a director in, what is it called?Sahaja Yogini: [Unclear].Shri Mataji: Handlooms. Handlooms and handicrafts. She started advising governments and things like that. Again, he came. He took her up again. And she again thought, “He is my husband” and all that. And again he was so nasty to her. Then one day she just left home and went to another friend who was a minister’s wife. But she had herself suffered a lot also. She actually, she is My disciple. And she brought her. And then after she, somehow or other, managed to get out of them and she got out. And then she came here with her son. He studied, he started accountancy. He is a very clever boy, very, very clever boy. And she also has a daughter. So, she started a business with her daughter. Now this man, when she told Me all this, I was really in so much pain. So, I said that, “This man is going to get very sick. He is going to be absolutely destroyed”.Sahaja Yogini: He is very sick now.Shri Mataji: He came to London.Sahaja Yogini: Just yesterday he left. He was staying in a hotel here. He is very sick. Shri Mataji: And she said that, “He has become like a monster now. He wants to have food every half an hour”.Sahaja Yogini: Very high diabetes. Very high diabetes. So, of course, my son out of courtesy, went to see him. Because he had come he said, “After all, he is my father. I don’t want to really depend on him. So, I can call him”. He found him so sick that every half an hour he would ask for food. And that too very, very sweet thing, you know, “sandesh” (a Bengali sweet) and that. Ravi says he was surprised. He was taken aback. That a set of food is brought say, in the morning breakfast with a set of four or five toast, eggs, bacon, coffee and everything. He eats it. And then – seven-thirty. By nine-thirty he is hungry again. Wants another set of meal.Shri Mataji: Horrible. Other Sahaja Yogini: So, what you do think of that? Sahaja Yogini: And he can’t walk from here to there without panting. Shri Mataji: They have all back on [UNCLEAR] now. He used her … Other Sahaja Yogini: You see, I used to think about God and religion. And these religions say if you are a good wife you should stay by your husband in spite of what he has…sorry for his sickness; I can’t say that. I can’t agree with that. Because you are also a person who has to evolve. Why should you be shut down and tortured like that? Shri Mataji: But what happened, in the olden days it happened. It happened like that. Sahaja Yogini: It is difficult in India, to, you know, just leave and come out of the house. Especially in orthodox families. Shri Mataji: And moreover a woman stuck onto that, she developed her own powers inside. You see, she developed her power. And you see, in India, a woman who is devoted is the most powerful thing. I tell you she is even more powerful than even Krishna was also. I am afraid of “pativratas” (dedicated wives) also sometimes. You see, by their dedication and all that they achieve their power. You see, something like those – (in Hindi), what are “tapasvis” called? Ascetics. The people who have worked out very much. Like that you know. And very, very strong-willed women we have there. And Krishna you see was cursed by one of them once upon a time. And He had to die. Because they become very powerful. Gandhari. Other Sahaja Yogini: Because of all the things they have to put up with. And fight against and grow through. Shri Mataji: You see what – they fight it and build themselves up inside. They go on fighting and build themselves up. But that is not the way I would say for Sahaja. Sahaja did not say that. If the husband is that bad, such a monster then better give him up. But then don’t marry another horrible fellow. Do not go on choosing… Other Sahaja Yogini: You are all laughing but this is my third attempt. And I ought to be getting very powerful by now. I have been with this one nine years and he gets steadily worse. Shri Mataji: So it is better to shut down that man you see. And you get to God’s life. All your life where are you going to fight it out? So that is not a Sahaja method. Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR/ anyway, fight without any return]. Shri Mataji: You see, but what to do? I would say it is better some social reforms must be made and some compromise must be brought in between husband and wife. And people should not marry who have no proper ideas about marriage. They should be properly brought up you see. Sahaja Yogis are easier husband and wife. If there are two Sahaja Yogis they can marry better. But they must cleanse themselves and they should be much clearer and must be integrated people. Then it is easier to marry them. Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR]. I have always searched for meaning in life. And I have always believed in God. And I always had a lot of faith. I did not know where to look. My husband is a completely logical, highly intellectual person with a scientific type of mind. Psychiatry, psychology that is his job. Shri Mataji: Oh God! Sahaja Yogini: And he thinks, you know, I am just crazy. Shri Mataji: You see, because the psychologist and the psychiatrist always catch from the patients that come to them. Sahaja Yogini: And that is my life every day, actually. Shri Mataji: And that is why they are so absurd. They are very absurd. [UNCLEAR/multiple people talking]. Shri Mataji: What happens, they free those patients. And when they free those patients they catch from them. These patients are abnormal, pathological cases. But they make them general patients. They call them general. Like they will generalise everything. Saying that a woman, a mother’s love, a child’s love is sexual. All this you see is generalisation style. Because you see, they themselves are caught up by one pathological case like that who tells them like this. And then they give an idea like that. So it happens. So that is why they are also pathologically affected. They don’t know. You will be surprised now after realisation you will see – if there is that kind of a person even a little bit mentally upset if you go near that person you feel terrible. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, this what keeps happening to me all the time. I can’t stay in the same room for longer than an hour. Shri Mataji: You are smart. Sahaja Yogini: I have to get out of the room. Shri Mataji: That will teach you how to … Other Sahaja Yogini: After Ravi came home from the hotel, I have been feeling miserable. I think he has got [UNCLEAR/parasite] into the house. Shri Mataji: No, no good, that one is no good. Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/South African one]. Shri Mataji: From where does he come, from South Africa? He is not so good, you know, he has got back trouble; he is not so good. Sahaja Yogini: Ma, even I read some poster, some Soham astrologer. Soham. Who is this Soham? Shri Mataji: Soham is horrible. He is the worst of all. He is much worse. At least, he is not a monster. He is not. But he is a mislaid fellow. He is mislaid. But his disciple is with the owner of the place. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: So, he has given you free to live there, is it? Sahaja Yogi: He has [UNCLEAR/given] a meditation centre for the whole of [UNCLEAR] London. Shri Mataji: And how many you have there? Sahaja Yogi: Four of us live there and we have about a hundred and fifty meditators. Shri Mataji: Oh God! They all will be spoiling their Agyna. Very bad Agnya you have got, all of you, you know. Sahaja Yogi: I didn’t know. Shri Mataji: Yes. It is very bad, even you have that. You do that “trataka” (third eye meditation) no? Sahaja Yogi: Not everybody, but I do. Shri Mataji: Yes, very bad Agyna. You too have a bad Agyna. Have you got a limbu? Let us try on his Agnya. But you see he will be spoiling hundred and fifty people. Oh God! What is he doing? What is the matter? Come, come I will [UNCLEAR] your Agnya. You see now, you feel your forehead. You see. Now feel. You can feel it? It is very much, too much swollen. David had one of the worst you can say. Sahaja Yogi: Oh yes, I know. He could see his [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: It is very wrong. [UNCLEAR/Binny], does not understand. Sinful. To spoil somebody’s Agnya like that. You have a hundred and fifty meditators. They come down to that hall? Sahaja Yogi: Some of them. Not all. We usually have an initiation centre as well. Shri Mataji: What do you do, initiation? Sahaja Yogi: Puja. Shri Mataji: Whose puja? Sahaja Yogi: Guruji’s. But it's you know, its… Shri Mataji: They are all foreigners or Indian? Sahaja Yogi: Indians too, all nationalities. Shri Mataji: Have to talk to them. Is wrong. He has no knowledge about it. Is terrible. Like I was stunned while talking to you. All right, you sing Kartikeya, he will be all right. He will be better. Sing Kartikeya. Hello, come along. What about the lights? Have you forgotten about the lights? Sahaja Yogi: No, there was a blackout. It is a power cut. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. Good. You should get some more of these I think. Sahaja Yogi: They are all sold out. Because everyone has got the same idea. Shri Mataji: But what about the “deepa” (lamp) or something? You can make out of oil. Have you got some oil? I can make one nice one. Sahaja Yogini: How much more [UNCLEAR] these [UNCLEAR/type]? Shri Mataji: All right. Sahaja Yogi: We have the aarti recorded of the Ganesha one? Shri Mataji: Taped? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Is there? Sahaja Yogi: I have sort of got it [UNCLEAR/on]. Shri Mataji: Put it on. Will be a good idea. That is the best way. Yes, take it out. That is why you are greying. You are so young. Why should you grey? Sahaja Yogi: Which one, the Ganesha one or the aarti? Shri Mataji: You people never felt the heaviness in the head or anything? Never. Thank God David at least felt a headache. Sahaja Yogi: Put on the Ganesha? The Ganesha. Shri Mataji: Yes, Ganesha you put. [Break in recording]. Shri Mataji: What about you? I mean not that he is a bad man. I would not call him bad. Not a monster. Monster is that who knows he is doing wrong and still doing it. This is just like a naïve personality. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogi is describing some catches to Nabhi and Vishuddhi]. Shri Mataji: You must use rationality. This is a test I said that he is not doing [UNCLEAR]. You have to become. This a test you must to put to everything in modern times. Now it is nothing doing but becoming. You must become. Had enough of it. You have done everything in your previous lives. Otherwise, you would not have had it. Now no more doing the other thing. We are going to have it. This is like, “They are making the cake, they are making the cake. Now how long?” When are we going to have to cake? We should ask. After all, we are seekers no doubt. We are truthfully seeking. Then now no more of this kind of lecturing to ask. Give us [UNCLEAR/ the right?]. [Tape 2]. Shri Mataji: Very great. No, not yet. Want to sit like that? Yes, it is all right. Just see. Is it better now? Really, is it better? Just see. Better? Sahaja Yogi: I think it will take some time. Shri Mataji: All right. But is it better in any chance? Since yesterday it is better. Much better. Hold it tight to My foot. Hold it tight. Are you feeling throbbing? Throbbing in My ears. Are you feeling? That is it. That’s it. Agnya is spoilt. See, most of it is mesmerism. It is mesmerism also. They do mesmerise. But this is when they take, they do it to do something you know. Then what they do? They do not mesmerise you, but they spoil your chakra and mesmerise you that way. But I must say you are very independent people the way you have denied that. By understanding that was something wrong. It is something great. This shows your willpower. Otherwise, it is not easy to get out of their clutches. See, they are very powerful, okay? Isn’t it? To understand that this is wrong. In spite of their mesmerism and everything. Ask him to put the hand out towards the Agnya, this side. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogis whispering to each other]. Now how is it? Just see it. Now both. That is it. How are you, Vinny? Better? [UNCLEAR]. But you take this one. Put it under your pillow tonight for two days. And Thursday throw it away and come and see Me then. Ah now. It is throbbing is it? Minutely. Slightly it has started. And he gave you a mantra also. That is why Vishuddhi is bad. What mantra did he give you? Better tell Me. Don’t hesitate. Sahaja Yogi: Am-bi-um. Am-bi-um. Shri Mataji: Am-bi-um? Am-bi-um? Sahaja Yogini: It could be Ambika. Shri Mataji: Ambikam. Is it Ambikam. Sahaja Yogi: Am-bi-um. Another Sahaja Yogi: He is a South African. Might be a variation. Sahaja Yogi: But he isn’t. He is Indian. [UNCLEAR/He is Brahmin]. Other Sahaja Yogi: I thought he came from South Africa. Sahaja Yogi: [He lives in/UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Ambium? Am-bi-yum it can be. Am-bi-yum. [UNCLEAR/Uday?] chakra itself. That is the problem. It is the best way to get you entangled you see. Putting on the Heart. You feel insecure. Sahaja Yogi: Not terribly unsure. Uncertain. Shri Mataji: That’s it. That is what it is. Just see him. Sahaja Yogi: Mostly on the left side. Shri Mataji: Left side is catching? Left Agnya? Sahaja Yogi: Also it starts from there. Shri Mataji: Oh. He tried something with the private parts, is it? Did he touch his private parts? No. Sahaja Yogi: David and Thomas also had the same thing. Shri Mataji: And there was a girl also of the same style as you are. Sahaja Yogi: She was here last night. Shri Mataji: She was very much the same. You see I could see from the frequency. And when I asked David, “Is she also seeing the same guru?”. He said, “Yes”. I said, “See. She is suffering from the same problem”. What was her name? She told Me. But he recognised. David said yes, she is one of them. Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Oh God, hundred and fifty of them are finished. Ian? Vinny, you are real seekers you know. You are very truthful people. I feel sorry for you. Because you are people for whom I have been born. Now, is he better? Sahaja Yogi: It is clear now. Shri Mataji: Clearing out. Still, on the Agyna is it? On the left? Sahaja Yogi: Right Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Right Vishuddhi but left Agyna. Right Vishuddhi is not much but left Agyna. Mostly men who [UNCLEAR] it is left Agyna. Sahaja Yogi: More like right Agyna now. Shri Mataji: Now it is on the right Agyna. Sahaja Yogi: It is cool on the left but right… Shri Mataji: What did you say here? Sahaja Yogi: It is cooler on the left. Shri Mataji: Cooler on the left? Than the right? This mandala business is on the right-hand side. Oh God. Are you feeling any throbbing? On your finger? Feeling the heat in the back. No, it is all right. Are you feeling the heat in the hand now? At the back. You are feeling still. A lot of heat. All right. I will cool it down. Better? Now? Better? Sahaja Yogi: I am feeling right Agyna. Shri Mataji: Right Agnya is it? Now. Still there? Little bit. Now? Still there a little bit. Ha! Clear. Sahaja Yogi: The whole [UNCLEAR] is better in general. It is just the [UNCLEAR/faint] which is there. Shri Mataji: You know you have to forgive also someone. All right? Forgive him only. He has done it through ignorance. Forgive him. It is all right. Now it is better. The same only [UNCLEAR]. Forgive him. Are you wearing something given by him? Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/photo of guruji]. Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR]. Take it out. Till then it will never work out. Take it out. Sprinkle water. It is gold? Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: He is better now. Bring some water. "Subramaniam" you sing. It is a very good thing. For Agnya, ideal. It is horrid. He will improve in no time. [Sahaja Yogini sings “Subramaniam Namaste” a well-known raga in Carnatic style, in praise of Shri Kartikeya]. Shri Mataji: Very good. It is better now. Sahaja Yogi: Yes Mataji. Shri Mataji: Is it better now? Is it better? Sahaja Yogi: YesI think it is better all except the Left Vishuddhi is the only one catching. Shri Mataji: Must have been given some prasada or something? Were you given prasada? Ha. Now? Sahaja Yogi: It is better, it is better. [Sahaja Yogini sings a stotra Syamala Stuti, in praise of the Mother Goddess in Carnatic style]. Shri Mataji: Wah, wah, beautiful. It is better now. You are better. You see, in this shloka, what they have said is sometimes very interesting that “Oh Goddess, you are very fond of music”. It's [UNCLEAR] isn’t it? Better now, isn’t it? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: How are you feeling? How are you feeling? Sahaja Yogi: I feel good. Shri Mataji: Feeling lighter? Cooler in the hands? Better? Another Sahaja Yogi: It is a little bit cooler on the left I think. Sahaja Yogi: It is okay. Shri Mataji: All right. You won’t say right is cooler than left. Sahaja Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: Put your hand there. You have to forgive. You must forgive. Just forgive. This is the thing that is stopping. You have to say; what is stopping (you)? I mean, it is a myth. You know, when we say we don’t forgive people. It is a myth. Let us say Lord’s prayer for him because he has got Agnya and it will be cleared. Say it thrice, all right. All of us should say it. Come along. [Everyone recites The Lord’s Prayer three times]. Shri Mataji: How are you feeling now? Better? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Good. You got it. Now very good. May God bless you. Come along. May God bless you. Come along. Good. Now you are all right. Definitely. Aren’t you? Keep it (lemon) for your [UNCLEAR], for some nights. That day, Thursday throw it in some water. And come and see Me. Put it in a paper. Like a paper bag. Nicely packed. It will go away. It is good now. That is better. May God bless you. Sahaja Yogi: Thank you, Mataji. Shri Mataji: So, the only thing you have to do – “I have to forgive, I have to forgive”. Everybody. Any thought comes in it – forgive. You see, now temper will be rising now against the gurus, against this, forgive them, forgive them. The greatest weapon is to forgive. Mohammed Saheb has told us another one is to write their names, give them a bandhan nicely and beat them with shoes. That is what. We do it. But this is also a very good way of forgiving. If your forgiving capacity is great, then you don’t need it. But, you see, sometimes it is very necessary. These people will beat themselves. You see, write their own names. If the ego is there the best thing is to write down your name, put a bandhan and beat yourself. Maybe your ego is troubling you. Good. Sahaja Yogi: My feet [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: All right. What about your problem? You want to go? All right. May God bless you. Hope you will be here on Thursday, will you be? Sahaja Yogini: No. Shri Mataji: No? You will be going back. Sahaja Yogini: I will try to come next week, Mataji. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Give My love to your children. All right. It is much better now. How are you now? Sahaja Yogini: I am much lighter. Sahaja Yogi: Is it your handbag? Shri Mataji: Is it your bag? Sahaja Yogini: No, [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Now, Can I have her name? You got the photograph? Let us see. Which is the one? Sahaja Yogini: This is my aunt and this is my mother. Shri Mataji: And who is this one? Sahaja Yogini: This is my aunt who is the sister of my mother. She is very, very negative all the time. Shri Mataji: Oh, terrible. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, it is very..she gives us a lot of pain. And my mother is also very spiritual and my mother can’t stand it. But she loves her and she can’t help her. Shri Mataji: Just look at this, it is very funny. Shaking with her. What is her name, Anna? Sahaja Yogini: Erna, Erna. Shri Mataji: How you do spell it? Sahaja Yogini: E-r-n-a. Shri Mataji: Erna. What is it? Sahaja Yogi: Her bag. Shri Mataji: Her bag? Which one is that? Another Sahaja Yogini: I came and sat by you, Mataji. Shri Mataji: You must have put it somewhere here? Sahaja Yogi: What colour is it? Shri Mataji: This is yours. Thank God. You have to find it. This is (lemon), you have to keep it under your bed for two days. And then throw it away in the water somewhere. All right? Under your pillow. Erna, will she co-operate if you tell her something? Sahaja Yogini: Yes she will. Yes. She phoned me today and I told her. Shri Mataji: She would be better. Sahaja Yogini: Yes she will be. Shri Mataji: She will be better. But in any case, you tell her to take the photo treatment. And that they will tell you. Gavin, you explain her nicely how to do it. He will tell you just now. All right? She will be better. Is this your mother? Which one is your mother? Sahaja Yogi: Did she find her bag? Sahaja Yogini: This is my mother. These pictures are not so [UNCLEAR/good]. See there is one more. Shri Mataji: This is who? [Possible break in recording]. Shri Mataji: …wealth. But the wealth we understand in the material way is not the “vaibhava” (prosperity), “sampada” (abundance) you see. Even a man who looks poor to you may be a “vaibhavashali”. Like a king, he is sitting down. Not bothered about these small things. So, that sort of a thing. You see, if you use those for the wrong things, for the bad things, in the left-hand side it is the sign. Completely catching. I don’t know how she stood that horrible fellow. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogini replies]. Shri Mataji: And also Agnya, she is catching very badly. Though she might have been born Realised. Might have been. At least, she is an awakened person. And it would have been easier for her to know this man than you people can. They have an innate built-in eye you see. They just refuse. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogini replies]. Shri Mataji: She should. She should. [UNCLEAR/catching]. She was given Krishna’s mantra also. Sahaja Yogini: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: You are not supposed to tell. Your own daughter, you cannot tell. I think must be Krishna’s because Vishuddhi is catching very badly. So you can see now – this lady is your aunty? Sahaja Yogini: No my mother. The photos are not good. Sahaja Yogi: Same lady. Shri Mataji: Same person. Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Both are the same type of person. All photographs. See I hope she comes back and does it because at this age it is rather difficult to stick on. Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR/give up]. Shri Mataji: You see, these are very simple people. I tell you, what I call the spiritual naiveness. One thing, one, they do not know. I think because of the Pope or because of churches you have had organised religion. That they do not know religion cannot be organised, firstly and secondly money cannot be given to a person who talks of religion. Only once, Christ was sold for thirty (coins). Only once. And what happened? You are selling Him every time you are paying money for Him. I hope to see her. But this lady is to be helped very much. For that [UNCLEAR/he] will tell you what is to be done. Write it down properly, how to be done, photographs. [UNCLEAR]. [UNCLEAR/Shri Mataji and Sahaja Yogini are discussing]. Shri Mataji: See if you are seeking you have a problem. If you are not seeking you are sitting down there. So what to do? It is like a train which is moving in the wrong direction. Or it is not moving. What to do? Is a problem like that. It will be all right. Now, how are you feeling? Sahaja Yogini: It is fine. Shri Mataji: Hands are all right? Everything? Vibrations? Good. You are really remarkable. How are you [UNCLEAR]. Now you have become a real Sufi, you know. You are absolutely a real Sufi now, in the real sense of the world. Now you will understand all the Sufis of the world. See, otherwise, they had no meaning. Sufis – who was Sufi, who was not Sufi – now you will know. Now with vibrations, you will know who was a real Sufi. All right? We had a very big one in India – Nizamuddin Saab. One very big – Nizamuddin Saab, in Delhi. In Delhi, in the times of a king – who was the king? Sahaja Yogini: Tuglaq. Shri Mataji: Tuglaq. Tuglaq. But his name was Muhammad Tuglaq. Muhammad Tuglaq you see. And he was such a horrid king. He got after this Sufi. He was this – Nizamuddin Khan Saab. He said, “You must come to me and say [UNCLEAR]”. He said, “I will not say it”. And he refused. And ultimately you see after some time, he tried everything. Destroyed him in every way possible. But nothing could be done. In the end, he said that if you don’t come and do that, I will kill you. It came to that. And, he said, “All right, I will see about it”. And within seven days this king was killed – by his own nephew or son. Sahaja Yogini: Actually, he was coming to kill this Nizamuddin. When he was coming people said, “He is coming, could you please get ready to receive him”? He said, “Let him arrive, then I will think about it”. And he did not come. Actually what happened – he camped somewhere nearby and his own nephew wanted to kill him. So, at night, he cut off his throat in the camp. Shri Mataji: Camp. Sahaja Yogini: Tent. The whole tent fell on him. Shri Mataji: Died in that. Then you have to do it, you see. Then don’t call it violence. These horrible people. What to do? You have to kill them. What is the use of killing also? They have been killed many a time - again they are born, again they are killed, again…This time, let them hang by the nearest tree for some time and be in the coma. That is the best way I have found out. Terrible people. Now don’t think too much about your aunt, all right? If you think too much about it, you will catch. You have to think about where you are. You are here now. You see, she is on the left-hand side. In the centre - Any questions anybody has, I will say them now; otherwise, I will tell you about it. What about you? Better now? Getting cooling? Cool in the hand? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. My feet as well. Shri Mataji: Feet as well? Good idea. Sahaja Yogi: Only on this side though. Shri Mataji: On this side? Not on the other side. All right. Just put that under My foot. What is that supposed to be? Sahaja Yogi: It is a beeper you know. Telling you to telephone someone. Another Sahaja Yogi: Put it in a bucket of water. Sahaja Yogi: So, you can never escape. [Sahaja Yogis are laughing]. Shri Mataji: What happened? What happened? Sahaja Yogi: When that beep happened she had to go and telephone someone – like a good little girl. Sahaja Yogini: Like a road block (?). Another Sahaja Yogini: That reminds, is it? Another Sahaja Yogini: Yes. It reminds you – you have to telephone to somebody. Sahaja Yogi: It is an order. It is an order. Sahaja Yogini: Funny, never had such an instrument. Another Sahaja Yogi: Give it vibrations so [UNCLEAR]. Sahaja Yogini: I just switched it off. Shri Mataji: But you know – if you know how to meditate on the waves of your mind, you see. Timing – you need not see the watch at all. The timing – just it tells you, this time this is that – everything works out. But if you do that way, you see, it is another kind of concentration which can work out. You see, at that time it will come to you, that this is to be done. But higher than that is this way – is that you just don’t have time, no concentration, just leave it. All right? So, you are going on the road. Suddenly you feel like turning on to another side. You turn, you find a person standing there. Finish your job. And that is why you become dynamic. You finish so many things in such a short time. That you do not know – otherwise it would have taken too much time for you. Today it happened to us also. I was going with Jane – did she tell you? And we had to buy some mirrors and things. So we asked them where do we get the mirrors? They said you go to such and such place. There we went and what we find? It is absolutely interesting. It was the frames. I was telling you about the frames. And there they were. Just the frames, no mirrors. They said you get the mirrors from such a shop, but these are the frames. So, you see, everything is; these material things work out just like that. You don’t have to bother. Nothing important. But even emotional and everything, you become so dynamic. Some people who have never spoken, have never given a lecture – they start speaking, they start controlling, and they start giving realisations. Even small children can do that. You become so confident and you become the instrument of God – that it starts working. And you are so confident because you know it’s not your own, it is coming in. Now don’t worry. Sahaja Yogini: No I am not. Shri Mataji: Don’t worry. Pay attention here. Pay attention here. All right? Another Sahaja Yogini: Let it go. Shri Mataji: Let it go, let it go. Smile away. Smile away. It will go away. You see, it is not your responsibility. Now somebody is your mother, somebody is your father – in a way it is a part in you. But to a point. To a point. When you have accepted Rama as your father, forget it. That is his job, to look after them. See like, some of the parents are so orthodox, so fanatic and so much half-baked – that like, you cannot do anything about them now. They are so spoilt. For example – Hello come along. Ah, ha. Everything you bring something. Must you? Come along. Now you should not think like that all the time paying attention to them. Oh, my father is like that, mother like that, no. First, you achieve your own goal. First of all, you achieve your manifestation. First of all, you achieve your powers and be a master of that. You master yourself completely. You become the master of yourself. When you are – May God bless you. Thank you. Thank you. All right – it should be eaten by all of us today. All right – vibrated na? So, first thing is that you pay attention to yourself. Love yourself. Know your valuation. Estimate yourself. And enjoy. First of all, establish yourself. Then you will be amazed that you will not have to bother about anybody. You will touch and the thing will happen. Because you become the light you see. A complete steady light. Which knows how to handle itself. Control. Where to put the candle, how to enlighten. Everything you know. You master the thing completely. Then things will come up. I will tell you about Gavin’s example. Here he is. He is just like you, was just like you. Not now, of course. Now he was very worried about his parents. Naturally, everybody wants – his parents are very good people otherwise. He wanted his parents to get Realisation. And so especially he took leave, he took his wife, both of them are Realised people. They went down. And I was a little smiling at that time. I did not say much. I said, “All right, go ahead”. But they found the parents were very difficult. Difficult for them to accept anybody but Christ. Because from childhood it is told, the brain. It is difficult because they are quite old now. So, you see it was rather difficult. They tried to break it. Then they came back. But I was amazed; they were not disappointed. They think it is difficult now. Next time they go, it will be better. So, first of all, build up yourself fully. If you build up yourself you will be amazed how beautiful it would be. For your own life. And that itself, the beauty of your life will spread itself. People will say, “Just look at this person. Where was he? What has happened? Now how is it?” This one is sitting here. I tell you he was one-third of what – you can sit on the chair here, you will be more comfortable. On the chair. So, they looked at him – he was very thin; he was one third or one fourth? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: Like the jockey you have. Sahaja Yogi: Rather thin(?) style. Shri Mataji: Last night’s jockey. What was his name? Sahaja Yogi: Lester Piggot. Shri Mataji: Something like that he was, you know. But now he is changed. He is artistic. So different. See, his health is different. Everything. It itself is a certificate. And that changes much more people than any argument, saying anything, nothing can change them. And moreover you can work on them. When you are such a master of the whole thing, you can work on them. First of all, you must check on yourself. You check the thing inside. Your vibrations must be checked. And you must ask others to check. For example, now you are with a problem. Supposing one has no problems. He thinks you don’t have a problem. All right. You do one thing – you sit on the photograph; see for yourself. You can [UNCLEAR]. Supposing you cannot feel anything – then ask her. And you check her. And you won’t feel bad about each other. Because you see, you are now separated from yourself. You will be amazed. You will say, “I am caught up here, I am caught up there. There is a problem here, there is a blockage here, there is a blockage there”. You yourself would like to clear it out. You will say, “No I am not well. There is something wrong with me”. Normally if you tell somebody, “There is something wrong with you”; you might get a slap. But now after Realisation, because you are separated you want to be cleared out yourself. [UNCLEAR]. Lots of things are still to be cleared out, isn’t it, Boghdan (?). You don’t mind it at all. On the contrary, you feel happy that it is going on. Because it becomes like your cloth. Your being becomes like your cloth. You see, there is some sort of a spot on it which must be removed – you say, “Mother, there is a spot, you must clear it”. It does not become your…you are not identified with it. But you see, this body, this mind – everything is a vehicle. Like your car. It is not you. You are your Spirit. You are that Eternal Being. You are not this…outside. So, once you are identified with that, you say, this body of yours need repairs; let us take it. Like the car, let us take it to Mother’s shop, get it repaired. It is like that. Nobody feels bad – on the contrary you feel happy about it. But because you are identified with all those things, you do not want to do it. You feel nervous. Now. Better now. Much better. Now, say “forgiven”. Say “forgiven”. Inside your heart, you just say, “I have forgiven them”. Come along. Say it. Just for saying’s sake, you say it. Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR/No kamsa]. You are placed. All right? And you will be amazed – when you will meet them now, they will be changed people. They will be very different. Their attitudes will change. It is impossible for human beings not to respect Divinity. It is writ large on their face, you know. If they are human beings. If they are monsters, forget it. But if they are not monsters, they will. If they are, drunk, of course, maybe different. But if they are not drunk, if they see, then it is fine. Because it is writ large on your faces. You can see that he is a man who is a divine person. Definitely, he is. But monsters and those who are enticed by monsters or who are possessed, or who are drunk or have not got their awareness as human beings have, naturally I mean, you cannot expect much from them. They are the people who have crucified Christ. Some of them were egoistical. Ego is also another possession. We are possessed with the idea of ourselves. Like Napolean, once such a great man. You possess yourself also sometimes. When it is separated you see yourself in your pure Self. Now let us see where are we and where we could have been. So, as I told you, in a human being, we are placed first of all, in a situation where we jump in from past to future, future to past. All the time. Our mind is thinking either about the past or about the future. The present moment is very little. Very little. The now. Is very little. In between. So, we are jumping like this. You see, the waves of our thoughts – they come either from the past and go to the future. Either we are there or here. Never in the centre. All right? So, when we start from the past, if you rationalise it, it does not exist anymore. If you think of the future it does not exist either. May not be the same. Supposing you decide that, “No, tomorrow I must meet Mother”. Mataji may not be there, She may not meet, may not happen – anything is possible. So, what is true is the present. Today you are sitting down here. But while sitting down here you are thinking of the past and the future. And you missing the joy of this moment. Because at this time you have to alert and enjoy the joy of this moment. Which is tremendous, dynamic. So, at this point of, the crossing point of future and past – you see like this – this is the swastika as it moves – but the destruction swastika is different from the construction one. The one we use is the construction one. All right. Between the two, is the central point in which you have to move straight forward, in the centre. So, you move on – now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now. At that point, there is no thought. So, you are thoughtlessly aware. You can watch. You can watch the past. You can watch the future. But when you are at the present, God knows how things are working out, fit into the moment, sort of. The more areas you make or collect, God to act into that present moment, the more forces can move in and help you. So, that area has to be made. So, how do we make that area? For Sahaja Yogis, very important.The first attitude should be, “Let it be”. Whatever “Thy will be done”. Is a mantra. You know, “Thy will be done” is a mantra, is a very big mantra. I would say that if you want to write the central point, the essence, the tattva of Sahaja Yoga, is “Thy will be done”. Is the essence. Now when you say that, you will say, “Mother, are we not a person? Are we useless?”. No. You are very great. You are the chosen ones as the instrument of the Dynamic. If you were not that great, you would not have been chosen. But the One that flows the dynamic, if you become that, it is very great. But you are not so. You are the instrument. So how do we do it? As I said, the first and the foremost mantra is, “Thy will be done”. Thy will be done. Thy then becomes I after some time. Because you realize after some time that you are a part and parcel of that Thy, you see. Like this finger is a part and parcel of this body. It does not say, this finger, “Thy will be done”. Nothing But it acts according to the brain that is telling it. It is absolutely one with that. So whether you say it or not, it acts. It works out. But if this finger starts suddenly thinking, “I will be on my own”, then malignancy starts. This is the malignancy. Malignancy is that when you say that, “I will be on my own”. If the cell starts saying that, “I will be on my own” then there is no tuning, no harmony, there is no relationship, there is no coordination and there is no control. Once that is broken, society becomes a victim of cancer. Is a social cancer. There is also an emotional cancer. Social and emotional and a political cancer. And all kinds of cancers develop. When we forget the unity of one body. Of One. And it is so much integrated. See now, this flower is here. Just now, I am thinking about this flower. Now, look at this. It is so fantastic. We take it for granted otherwise. See, it was grown on a rose tree. Think of the rose tree also as a Sahaja. Just think. Can you think how a rose tree was created? Out of what seed? You know what is the seed? It is just a small little seed. Very small. Out of that, this is created. But this one especially was not created out of the seed but out of the stem. Just imagine. This was done by human beings. He has got the power to create a rose tree out of a stem. It is a living thing he has done. So, a special power human beings have. That, certain things, he can do that. He can transplant living things from living things. Living from living. Though he cannot create living. Now the Sahaja Yogis can give the living process of evolution in their hands. With their fingers. With their mind. With their chitta, is the attention. Now, where are we? Our attention has to be in the centre. In the present moment. Now here is a rose. You are watching this. Now, what is the best way of watching this? To get completely out of it is to be in thoughtless awareness. So what happens? You are thoughtless. Now all the joy of creating it is inside this. All the truth that is this rose is, is inside it. As soon as you become thoughtless, the whole thing goes into you as the principle, as the essence of it. And you feel that joy, as the essence of it. No thought about it. Nothing. But just the joy. Just the joy. Marie, you wait till I finish My lecture all right? If you don’t mind. So, you do that in thoughtless awareness. Can you watch this? Can you watch this without thinking? Let us see. [Silence]. A thrill will pass through you after some time. Those who are Realised, can. They are without any thought. They are just looking at it. No thought is coming. Now, I remove this. Is “alambana” (base). But now you watch My face. [Silence]. Now, most of you are not thinking. But something is going on in your face. You can feel it. Some movement in the face is going on. Some sort of energy. There is a little pressure here. Some people are getting it. So, you see, the energy from This face is flowing to you. And is organising it. Through your eyes now it is going to the head. Now it is coming up here. It is trying to take it out. All these problems together. So, a force is coming, like the force of a river or a jet coming on your face. Very gentle it is, very gentle. And it is trying to correct it. You see it is working out. Now you are not thinking about it. It is just working out. It is happening. It is working out. It is working out still. Now it is coming here. For every one of you, it is working out that way. Like in the cell, many cells together, when the bloodstream flows in you see, all these cells open out. And they open out at different timings. For them, there is a timing, not for you, so much. Of course, there is, that way, but then they open out. Now with hands, you have opened out. Now the flow has started flowing in, getting inside and you feel something happening to your face. You don’t know what is happening, but the glow is coming outside. There see that glow on your face. You see. And that is why a person who is realised shows the flow. Now, what is happening? Is this integrated force, this force of love, this essence comes out. [Tape 3] You burp out, you see these are some sort of things inside, these obstructions. They get out. And you forget the time. You are in the present moment. Now you feel the flow coming up? Still on the Agnya. There is a problem. So, at the present moment when you are – this is the present moment and you are receiving – you are in complete joy and bliss. Because you have come to this point. To this point, you have come. Still, if you feel some heat in your head coming out. You see – not yet coming out. It is throwing away the heat from your face. Now you have been walking on the street. Correct? Little heat. Still not – the cool is not there. But after some time you will find a cool breeze will be there. So, all that collection on your face itself is a very subtle thing inside you know. Whatever is in there is thrown out. Now, how? There is a hole made. From the hole, the [UNCLEAR/heat] comes out. Now, this is the baptism. Still hot. Still hot. It has to cool down. After you cool down, you will feel the relief. It is coming. You see, it is coming. Now, out of you some of you are overled (?), some are clear. But because we are sitting down, everybody is forcing it out. Whether you are able-bodied, or less able-bodied, makes no difference. This time we are all together, so everybody has to feel the load. You see, like supposing there is a big block we have to lift. So all of us put our hands to it. Some aren’t, some are healthy. Some are healthier people, some are weaker people. But everybody feels there is a load. And you throw it away, all of you put together. And it works out. This is what is the collective effort. But actually, the collective effort is not done by thinking. Or by doing, “Oh I have to do it” – nothing of the kind. How you do it is, only by allowing your Kundalini to rise. Now, and while the Kundalini is rising, you must know where it is pressing and where it is not working out. Now at this time, you feel the heat is coming up here, it is coming up here. Coming to the Sahasrara. Now it depends on where it has come. Just now it has come to the Sahasrara. Most of the thing is here. You see, the problem is here. Come up here. Now, what do you do? Depending on the chakra, wherever you find the problem is – you take the name of the deity. And you take it out. Like that. Now, at the Sahasrara, you have to take My name. That is the point. Now come along, say My name and it will clear out. They know how to say it. You see, they have made a mantra, these Sahaja Yogis only and they know how to say it. In India. Now come along. Say it thrice and you will clear out. Because you have said the Christ thing so this is cleared out. First of all, say “Allah O Akbar” because the little problem on the left-hand side is still here. Say “Allah O Akbar” thrice and then say My mantra. It will clear out. Say now. Let us see where it is. So you decide. I cannot give you a mantra permanently. Nothing. Depends on where is the Kundalini. Where is the problem now? That is why in the present. In the present, you will be changing every moment. Depending on – supposing a tree has to go. It sees which way it has to move. It has to see how the root has to move. It does not decide, plan beforehand – “No, I have to go straight”. It cannot. It will see the obstruction and how it moves. The same way the Kundalini moves. Now come along. Say it, “Allah O Akbar” thrice. Let us see now. Put your, these fingers are for him. Now say this. Come along. Sahaja Yogis: Allah O Akbar, Allah O Akbar, Allah O Akbar. Shri Mataji: Cleared out. Better? Now when your Sahasrara is opened out, you will be amazed, even if you put these things into your ears, you can hear everything clearly. You can hear with this thing, you can even see with this. You will be surprised. It comes to that extent that you can see through this. Because in the limbic area as you know, there are the seats of all these – the eyes, nose, ears and mouth and everything you can feel it here. Supposing your tongue has become dead. You eat something, you can feel it there. It is a medical thing. So, when this is enlightened, you can feel it and because you are aware of your Sahasrara, you can. Now say the Sahasrara. Say. You can put your Sahasraras to Me. Sahaja Yogis (three times): Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali Trigunatmika, Adi Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adishakti Sakshat Shri Bhagwati Sakshat Shri Adishakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji: Good. Better? It has cooled down. Cooler? Better? Now, where is the problem you know? Put it over here. Better now? Right hand? Now you have to accept Me as the guru. That is the point. That is the point. That I am a Mother and Guru. It is a difficult task. But guru means something higher. All right? Only in this lifetime, I have become this. In none of My lifetimes, I have tried this. Very difficult to become a guru. Because then you have to chide, tell people. This is wrong, that is wrong. Guru’s job is this, which is a very difficult thing. So that is why I am. I have taken up this job. Because the Guru Himself is inside. The Adi Guru is inside Me in the stomach. You can see for yourself He is there. And when He is there, you see – I Am That and He is Me. There is no difference between the two. But you have to accept Me as the guru. Then it will work out [UNCLEAR]. On the right-hand side is that. Better now? You see, the Guru is saying, “why don’t You tell them?”. So I tell you. And that is how it is. Good now. See the Kundalini has come up. Look at them. How they are alert. And how they are telling you. Done? You see, this kind of body was made a long time back, once only. Where it was a cow. And all the Gods were put into That, and all chakras were put in. Now again it is built-in in this body of Mine, you see. And all chakras are there like a machinery. You must know that it is all there, it is working out. It will work out. But you must take more and more of it. Have as much as you like. I want to give you. It is all to be given and be distributed. To have a lot of it. I want you to have the highest and highest of all. Let us see in one lifetime how much you can achieve. From ordinary human beings, you have become Realised souls. From Realised souls, you have to be completely realised. And then, God-realised. [UNCLEAR]. If it could be done in My lifetime, that is the greatest thing that could be done. It is the last part of the creation and it will be the greatest. Because even the devtas and all that – the Gods that were created to look after – for example, there is a God say, to look after the water or Jaladevta as you call it. There is somebody, an officer appointed to look after the water. He also cannot give Kundalini rising. You are in the centre you see. All your work is in the centre. Evolutionary work. You don’t have to bother about this side or that side. You are in the centre. Your work is all evolutionary. You are there to give evolution to others. So, you do not have to bother, “we have to master this and master that”. No. You are on the stage. You are the real actors. They are all side people you see. They have to throw light. They have to throw water at the time it is needed, they have to do this, that is all their job is. And you just tell them. And they have to work for you. You try to verify if it is true or not. So, you are the actors on the stage. And you are the people who are going to give the show, give the drama. And they are just waiting there outside, just to help you out. You see. So, only thing is, you have to ask for it. Anything you ask for – for example, you have seen in a drama, how the hero and heroine are painted first of all. So you go to the painter. “All right, I want like this, I want like that”. All right. They will paint. They are just appointed ones. You are the ones who have achieved it. Have been granted. You have been bestowed on. In the style of Ganesha, you have been created. Is a special style. That is why you are more powerful. But assume. The assumption is the point. The assumption is the point. When you want to assume it you must know your values and you must know how far you are. And how much you are made. An ordinary clay, out of ordinary clay, Ganesha was made. Through ordinary people only. Middle people. These are the middle people, not extremes. Neither are they over-rich neither they are over-poor, very poor. Neither they are over-powerful, nor powerless. Out of them the middle people, the normal people, this is meant. And they are the seekers. They are taken like this and put into that. They go into the Sahasrara of Virata. They sit in the Sahasrara, in the brain. They are the riders. That is the Kalki. The collective conscious Sahaja Yogis, that is the new incarnation, is called as Kalki. This is the tenth incarnation of Shri Vishnu. My name Myself is Nirmala. Means that. Is the same. Means Nishkalanka. Actually, when I was born, there was no spot on My body. No blood, nothing. Without the navel cord or anything. So My grandmother, My father’s aunty, she called Me Nishkalanka. She said, is the Nishkalanka is born. You are the people who are Kalki. You are the incarnation of Vishnu, in the sense, that you are His nerves. [UNCLEAR]. Maybe, if we need, Kalki may come, may not come. Depends. In one form. But you are the ones. You are the people who are Kalki. The collectively, one Being in the brain. Like all the nerves think the same way, feel the same way, attend to the problems in the same manner. There is a problem with the finger, all of them will support that. There is a problem here; all of them will support. Sort it out, completely. But this now has the complete integration with the heart. Complete integration. The whole body acts as one. That is why Buddha has said, “Sangham Sharanam Gachhami”. That means, “I surrender myself to the [UNCLEAR/group]” – of Realised people. Buddha means 'Realised'. How many Buddhas there have been? How many Realised people? Seldom. Now you are the people who have gone into this area. Now you don’t worry on this side and this side. On the right-hand side, what do we have? One the line which I showed you yesterday, which controls the right sympathetic nervous system – which caters to all your emergencies of the mental and physical side. On that line moves the deity of Hanumana. Is the preconscious mind. Is a monkey. Is a monkey if you see; the preconscious mind, which is receiving everything I am saying to you. Is the one Which is moving from conscious mind to preconscious, to the unconscious mind, to the supraconscious, it is moving from one side. Is the monkey. Is the Hanumana Himself. He is very great. He is a great trick player. He plays the trick. You see, today He has deliberately put off the light. Too much light is no good. Natural light is very good. You concentrate better with that. He is very tricky. He has a big long tail, he uses it to play. He can tickle your nose. Just now He tickled your nose, to take out your badha. Problem there. See, like that. He is Hanumana. And actually, He is nobody but, who we know as Gabriel. Is the angel Gabriel, is Hanumana Himself. Hindus do not have a separate somebody, or Muslims do not have somebody. He is the same Gabriel who is Hanumana. If you are in a problem, if you want something to be done, you just tell Him. You tell Gabriel, “All right, now we are in problem, now solve all the problem”. One of My two disciples who are in the, who are journalists you see. Once they were travelling by car and a big truck came in front of them. And the driver was driving, and they were at the back. And the driver was in the front. And the truck came just face-to-face with them. And they were on a slopy road, on a hill. They just say, “Mother now we leave it to you, to Hanumana. Come along”. And you will be amazed, they said, “When we opened our eyes, the truck was that side and we were here”. So many things. They are journalists, you see, they even told the newspaper people. They said, “Now you are also enticed by Her, we must say like that”. You see because they cannot accept these things you see, difficult for them. So they are all getting enticed now, into this. So [UNCLEAR], by enticement if you are saved like that, what is the harm? like a joke. But there are things like that, He does it. Now if there is one realised soul travelling, you will be amazed – there will be an accident, but nobody will die. The whole train will go round and round but Hanumana can support it. Because He has got nine shaktis. He has got nine powers. Anima, garima, laghuma, like that. He can become big like a mountain if He wants and support something. He can become a sukshma, means He can become very subtle. Sit down. So, you see, this is the main thing. That you are in the centre and He is the main person supporting on the right-hand side. And who are the others who are supporting? There are many. All the five elements are on the right-hand side. This is the supraconscious. You don’t have to see light or anything. No, no, no. There is no need. “I see light” is wrong. Don’t have to see light or anything. Light is on the right-hand side. So, all these five elements as you know, they are on the right-hand side. So the supraconscious mind, the supraconscious area is on the right-hand side of the preconscious mind. This is the preconscious mind. And this is the “mana”. In the Sanskrit language, this is the mana – preconscious mind. But for English people, I do not know what they call mana. Because in the Sanskrit language, mana means the preconscious mind. But the preconscious mind is a part of the “annamaya kosha” means the food that you take. It is built up with that. So, they said, for food one must be particular. Now see how you have deviated and how you are made into wrong things. Now they said for food you must be very particular. So you must food which is very sattvic. Is very, very divine type. You should not take food which is not divine. All right? Now how do you make out? So, they said, “If you take milk, is divine. Is sattvaguni”. Means in the centre. There are three gunas. One is the left side, is the tamoguna, the right side is the rajoguna and the centre one is the sattvaguna. Means left side is the desire or the existence of desire; the right side is the creative force or what you call rajoguna means all the activities. And the centre is the evolutionary force which is called as the sattvaguna. So if you take to sattvaguna they said, then your mind will be all clear. But what is sattvaguna? At that point, they went wrong. They said if you eat vegetables, you will be sattvaguni. Then what about all the animals who eat grass? Is a wrong idea. It is not by eating grass you become that. No. It is a wrong idea. Sattvaguni means, the food that is in the centre. Again, too much of grass is very bad because you will get diarrhoea. Is wrong. Too much of meat is also wrong because you will get into trouble; you will get constipation. All right. What is the middle? If you eat cows, it is wrong, because it is too hot a food and is a very big, big – you see these things are there. So, the cow is not good. Because if you eat cow’s meat, I tell you - if you stop cows meat, if you stop eating cow’s meat, your teeth will be all right. Those who eat cow’s meat always have bad teeth. So the Muslims, it is never written in the Koran – no, never – that you must eat cow’s meat. It is not a religious thing. But that time, you see, nothing was available. In that country only cows were available. It was made a divine food by giving vibrations. And people would eat. Halal. It was given to God. And then, as we say grace, it was kept in the name of God, made into divine food and then given to human beings. All right? But who are the people who are making it halal? Are they priests? Have they got the right to make it halal? That is why the cow’s meat if you eat, is not prohibited in the places where it could be done in a halal manner. But where you can easily get a goat – goat, you see, is a mild animal – so if you get a goal, is all right; is in the centre. But what happened at the time of “yagnyas” (fire sacrifice) and all those people were sacrificing meat and all those things; you see, Hindus used to do this. Rama used to eat meat. Krishna used to eat meat. All “Kshatriyas” (warrior castes) used to eat meat. She is sitting here, ask her. Only the people who were Brahmin, who were seeking God would give up meat. But that also started a long time later. Because if you read the Upanishads, it is there – they used to eat meat, all of them. But the Buddhism when it came in, all right? The Buddhists thought, “Let us start a new trick”. Buddha Himself used to eat meat, of all the persons. In the end, He ate some pig’s meat in somebody’s house, it is written down. There was something wrong in the pig’s meat. Because you know pig’s meat is bad for one reason. Why it is not allowed also. Because it causes very bad liver. All the parasites of the world live in the pig. All of badhas live in a pig. You see it is such a dirty animal [UNCLEAR]. Not the pigs that you eat here. But in any place, normally – in India, if you eat the pig’s meat, they eat faeces, everything. So, there is no parasite in the world which lives in the liver of the pig, I mean, the body. Is not such a forbidden thing. But it is, in a place. Sahaja Yogini: It would really make common sense. Shri Mataji: Common sense, yes. Sahaja Yogini: That is what they were trying to preach. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes common sense. Absolute truth she said. Is the common sense and is in the centre. You use your common sense. In a place where a pig..in India, I mean, you never eat a pig. There are pigs and pigs and pigs. But in India, you will never feel like eating even a cow. Because they are such sweet things. You see, here the cows look like buffaloes. Yes, my granddaughter asked Me. She said, "Grandmother, how is it the buffaloes in this country are white?" Because she thought they were all buffaloes. Because Indian cows if you see, are very mild. Because in every home, there is a cow. Kept in the home. Now, from childhood the child sees the milk taken put from the cow and given to the child. It is like a mother. Now you don’t feel like killing your mother. Is a simple thing, you know. Is very much a common sense. But you cannot make a dogma out of it. They made a dogma out of it, arbitrarily. They made a dogma out of everything and they created problems. So when the Buddhists came, they thought, “Let us do something nice”. Because the Hindus were killing and all that doing – they were sacrificing animals. Just to take out the badhas and bad spirits. These are sensible things that have to be done. You know, if it a very big badha, you have to cut a big buffalo. You put the badha into the buffalo and cut it down. Is good. Is correct. But only for a person who is a Realised soul. Now how many there are? And to kill this Mahishasura, there was a big buffalo. Who later on came as a big rakshasa. Now he is again born in India. He is there. He looks like a buffalo. And he calls himself a big guru. Just like a buffalo he is. He is a big Mahishasura. And so to kill him, you have to kill the buffalo. But that is all right. So, this no violence, this is what is common sense. And religion is not nonsense. It is absolutely common sense. And your common sense comes to you from there only. All these abnormal things you are doing is not religion at all. You are going out of your way. So, this common sense, as she said, is the correct thing. Is the common sense of doing.The right thing was needed, “Evolve yourself”. And where did the ideas come in? From your unconscious. Was given to you. So, you just localise it and keep it. Now for Muslims, to have four wives. Is absolutely common sense at that time. There were so many men killed in the wars. Very few were left out. So many women were there. And somebody had to look after them. So all right, marry them. No prostitution. Sanctify it. In India, there was a question like this, where there were very few women. In the South, we have got a portion of Kerala, where so many men were there and women were very less. Because something happened, an epidemic. So we had a polyandrous society. And it worked. But it was common sense. Was tried. Finished. But then you do not stick on to it. It would be like when you have war, you have rations. All right. The war is over, everything abundance, everything – still you are rationing. Why? The food is getting rotten there in the thing. We are rationing you know because in the war this happened. Yesterday, I saw a Jew, looking so miserable and this, everything coming up. “And it is very wrong to kill people”. Now, this happened a very long time back. Now forget it. What are you talking in these modern times? It is all over. Hitler has gone away, war is over, everything. Now, what is the present-day problem? Let us face it as it is. He is still weeping about what is happened. Now, where is Hitler? He is killed, finished, everything is done. Now, what is the use of blaming Hitler and doing something today? Finish it off. That is what common sense is. And common sense comes when you decide everything is – you sit on a chair, that will be better. So, this is what is common. So I would say, “Use your common sense”. So, when you say, “Use your common sense”, use your vibrations on deciding anything. So, when it came to food also - for you people, the best thing is, to see the vibrations. Now he has got the food. See. This he has brought with love. But he had been to horrible gurus. So there is something of them also, is there. His personality. But his love is there. He has brought it with love. His love is there. Now what I am doing, is to give it vibrations. By vibrations, we can excite it. Make it absolutely divine. Every part of it which will go in your stomach will create new dimensions of awareness. In your stomach. It will cure your liver if it is something. But the same food could be, without vibrations would be nonsensical. You go to somebody’s house and you don’t feel like eating. Though the food may be very good, excellent – you don’t feel like eating. Why? You must ask. There are bad vibrations. The person has not cooked with love. He has not given with love. Or the man is not; there is something wrong with [UNCLEAR]. [Sahaja Yogi says something after responding to a phone call]. Shri Mataji: Impossible is coming? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t think so. Shri Mataji: Possibly. Possibly. So. Once it happened, I went to – I mean, it is a very common thing with Me, you will also see that, if you keep yourself alert, you can see. We went to somebody’s house and they had invited us to dinner. Very beautiful people to look at, very big house, very artistically done and everything. Nice three daughters, this and that – little, little girls. But as soon as I entered the house, I told My husband, “Better go back”. He said, “Why?”. “I must vomit, I am feeling like vomiting”. And before I could say anything more, I said, “Better take Me to the bathroom”. I vomited. He said, “Now what’s wrong here?”. He knows My habits you see. “What’s wrong?”. I said, “Something terribly wrong here”. So I told the lady. I said, “I am sorry to go back home. I am not well”. So she could not bear a woman sitting and vomiting so she said, “All right. You better go”. So we came back and My husband was very angry with Me. “What is this? We were the chief guests of honour and everything”. What to do? I just couldn’t eat the food and I came over. And poor man, what could he do also, see? I vomited a lot of food also. I mean, the food I ate at My home, I vomited. I could not take it in because that was also touched by bad vibrations. So he said, “What’s wrong? They are such nice people. Now You must tell Your stomach to behave itself”. But the stomach is religious you know. The stomach is religious. So I said, “All right. I will tell you after eight days what happened”. After six-seven days, a little girl came to our house with My daughter. Very miserable-looking child. And she was about same as My daughter’s age. And I asked her; her mother was a teacher in a school. And her surname was the same as that gentleman’s surname. So, I asked her, “Do you know him”. She said, “He is my father”. “Yes, he is my father. And my grandfather educated him. He became a barrister. He gave away the property. And he drove away my mother and three of us”. He had three daughters from the first wife. “And my mother has no money now. And she is working as a school teacher”. “And who is this one?”. “No, she got friendly with him in England. She is an Indian girl. He brought her here, he was carrying on with her, he used to beat my mother – all kinds of things”. So that woman’s you know and children’s crying and all that things were filled in that house. And I could feel it, in a way – so depressing. You see, when you are depressed, in a way, you don’t feel like eating, you feel like vomiting. It was so depressing. So I told him, “This is what kind of ..”. If I, now we may have to go to parties or something. They may start a cabaret or something. Even the name of cabaret, I start. Then I say, “Baba I can’t just sit down over, please take Me to the bathroom”. Then I go to the bathroom and vomit. I try to sit but I cannot. After three-four vomits he also comes out. They force us to – you know, the trouble is, the stomach is religious. The religion is in the stomach. You can’t see a woman selling her body and eating your food at that time. Oh God, it is impossible. So the stomach is religious. Which has the common sense. That teaches you. What is good. What is bad. So, for a Sahaja Yogi, it is important, that before you eat anything, give it your vibrations. And also you have to see what your body needs and what it gets. For example, you are a patient suffering from a liver problem. Then you should not have anything to do with things that spoils your liver. Just forget it for a while. Plus take things that have good vibrations or take things that are good for the liver. Your liver will be all right. You have to go, give it a three- dimensional effect. Then it works out. First of all, on the right-hand side is all the elements in that. Now somebody is suffering from the throat. For example, our, say Pat. He has a throat problem. Is much better now but he has, he is sensitive. And then he goes and stands in the rain. “I am a Sahaja Yogi. Why should I care”. This is not common sense. This is not sensible. This is not wisdom. Wisdom is that you have got a throat problem. Protect yourself, also take Krishna’s name. And do certain exercises that are required for the throat and do them and get all right. Now, this is what it is. Now the Hatha Yogis, they are doing all the time this and that. Why? What is wrong with you? Your stomach is all right, then why are you doing that exercise? You have to do this exercise here. Your heart is catching; you are doing this exercise? You see, they have no sense of proportion. There is something you have to do and there is something you don’t have to do. At a particular time. That is the thing. At this time if you are suffering from say, a heart attack and if you are doing that thing, “paschimatama” or something with the stomach; immediately I mean, you better prepare for a coffin and then do it. It is like that. It is sure and shot. I have seen so many yogis dying just like that. Just like that, they die. Or if they live, they are horrid. You just cannot face it. Very hot-tempered. Extremely hot-tempered, you know. And they are just like fire. Because they work on the right-hand side. Sahaja Yogini: So how do you know what [UNCLEAR/thing] is for what? Shri Mataji: Beg pardon? Sahaja Yogini: How do you know then? What told you then, the alternative? Apart from you personally being up there? What good is [UNCLEAR]? Shri Mataji: No, you see, your own chakras will tell you. You put your hands towards the photograph or even like this, you can see for yourself what is catching in you. You can feel it. That is why I have given you My hand photograph there. You see for yourself which is catching. And whatever is catching you correct it. And there are methods there how to correct it. So, this is what you do after Realisation. Before Realisation, you don’t do anything. You see, you understand the complete comprehensive thing. Then you find out what is the problem with you. You correct it. Now the problem is with your mind, say for example. You are doing Hatha Yoga. Hatha Yoga does not mean at all, you see – actually Patanjali nobody reads. That is the problem. Somebody who ran away from real yoga has come down, brought only these physical ones and you are following that. Which is the wrong thing. There are six things you have to do together. And Patanjali Yoga is such a big thing! Six things. You do that under a guru under complete discipline and abstinence. Complete abstinence. Imagine. But Sahaja Yoga is a different style. There are special ways of that. Is for you the householders, in the family life. Not these extremists. Nothing of the kind. It is for you who have lived a normal life – husband, wife, mother, father - they get it. None of these sanyasi babas will get it. Those who wear those dresses will never get it. They will have to change. Now you know why I say cut your hair a little bit. Don’t be an extraordinary thing. No. If you are extraordinary, then might be, some extraordinary thing will come, ESP – some extra sensitive personality will come and sit on you. We are normal persons, all right. Everybody has to be normal. But you see, it helps sometimes to have a little beard, because going to the barber is too much expensive. It is all right. Have the beard. It is quite normal. It is nice to have the hair which makes you totally not [UNCLEAR], but you can keep them bare. You cut. Respect them. They should not be dishevelled. They should be well-kept. And you should be well-kept also. If you come to Me, you will be surprised, all of you, at least once, you will get a massage on your head. At least, once you will get from Me, a nice massage on the head. See, your hair then should be done well. See, you should look [UNCLEAR]. This is also a self-destroying method. Before you sleep, as I told you, our Gus used to do that. See this Gus is the last word on this. Nobody could be better. So far, I have not met. If I meet somebody then I will give them this [UNCLEAR]. Now what he did? Listen to this; what he did. Hair all absolutely, never combed. And he never looked after his food. Never. He would eat anything, whatever he got. Wherever he slept. In his room, there was no heat, nothing. He was trying to say, sort of build-up himself. And, in the whole thing, he became a very sickly person. He could never bear Sahaja Yoga on himself. He was so sickly. I mean, the more I saw him, the more I wept. Which mother would like a child to starve? Actually, in Sahaja Yoga, fasting is not allowed. Fasting is not allowed at all. In Sahaja Yoga. Come along. If you are fasting then you cannot get Realisation. It is definite. Do you fast? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: Yes, I know you do. Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/I don’t starve]. Shri Mataji: You must eat. So, you see, there was a very great Sahaja Yogi from Pune. And he developed trouble of prostate. Prostate. And in the prostate gland, is our Ganesha sitting down. In the prostate gland. He is in the prostate gland. “Now imagine!”, I thought. He is such a great worshipper of Shri Ganesha. And he is a very celibate person. Come along, there is some space here. Come along. Come. Come in. There is such a lot of respect for Shri Ganesha in his heart. He is such a celibate man. And why should he get into this problem of prostate gland? I could not understand. So, I told him, “All right. Take this chana” – that I give to you all. I always give you to eat. “Take this chana and eat”. So, other fellow looked at him. “Today is Sankasthi, the birth of Ganesha, he does not eat”. I said, “That is the reason. Today is the birth of Shri Ganesha. You must eat. Oh God, how much He eats. He eats ladoos, and He eats this; you have seen His stomach. He is like a child. On his day you are not eating, you are making Him feel small. You must eat with competition on this day. There must be a competition of eating on this day while you are starving. Who told you this?”. He said, “All the brahmins say”. I said, “Which is it? Where is it written? In what shastra it is written, bring it just now and show it to Me”. “These Brahmins. They are rakshasas”, I told him. They have told you the wrong things. Telling you not to eat on a day when it should be celebrated. The other side is in England. When it is Christmas, drink. They don’t know. On Christmas day you should not drink at all to feel the joy. If you are drunk, how will you feel the joy of God? You miss the whole fun. It is just the opposite they do. Just the opposite. So, this is what they were doing for food, and I told him, “Just now, you eat this. Take it from Me”. He ate. And you will be amazed. After eight days his prostrate was completely all right. And every "sankashti" they starve, imagine – these mad people of India. Now another day is coming, the fourteenth day of now, after the – just before the Diwali day: Narakchaturdashi. That is the day one should not eat at all in the morning time. One should sleep the whole night. Because that is the day when Narakasura was killed. The greatest, one of the worst possible – I don’t know – what word should we say for a monster? Sahaja Yogis: Devil, demon. Shri Mataji: Demon. Demon of the last type was Narakasura. He could not be killed easily. And he was killed on that day. On the night. And to throw him in, the gates of the hell were opened out. See, that is such a day when everybody should sleep very well the whole night. And morning time they should sleep till eleven o clock. For example, last night was that way. You have to get up in the morning at eleven o clock. You all should have got up at ten or clock or eleven o clock. [TAPE 4]. Shri Mataji: Terrible thing. Now, why are you putting these dead in the church? Is that the place of the dead? Put them in a separate place. All these complications, in every religion they are. Muslims also. You go to any place – you go to Taj Mahal; there will be a dead body there also. Any beautiful place you go to – I mean actually, surprisingly – all the beautiful places are nothing but graves. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, when certain doors are opened by Your teachings, then will it be that these spirits will leave those places? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, that is what. They go away. But you see, you must keep yourself protected. And understand. Have wisdom. That don’t go near – what is the need for you to go near crematorium and all that? Have nothing to do. Why [UNCLEAR/mess it/necessary]? Why put your hands? Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/space]. Shri Mataji: Move forward, move forward. So why do you go near such places? You have nothing to do. You shouldn’t worry too much about the dead. You shouldn’t worry too much about the dead things. And you shouldn’t have anything to do with the dead. Is a simple thing. You see, that is not our area. That is on the left-hand side. That is the subconscious and the collective subconscious. Why should we worry about the dead? Dead are dead, finished, gone. Leave them alone. But here in London, you will find at least fifteen hundred people, calling the dead. They are calling the dead. They call them on a planchette, they do all kinds of things, there are spiritual churches by Greeks. Horrible people. Why do you want to disturb them? Let them be alone. Let them go away. You will be surprised, even if you remember the dead – your parents and things like that, it has an effect on them. Then I have to tell you to tell your parent that, "You (parent) should take your birth again. And I am all right". Then it works out. They have nothing to do with you now. You should say, “All right, you take your birth again. And I am all right”. This is how you must suggest. And if you go on indulging into them, the more you go an indulging into them, the worse it would be. Because you don’t know how to handle the situation on that side. Now, what are the situations you get? You get sometimes, this "extrasensory perception (ESP)". You think you are very great; somebody has come and told in your ears. But in India, if you – people know about it. They call it “karna pishacha”. “Karna” means ear and “pishacha” means a monster. A monster who comes and tells in your ear. Somebody is going to see you, you know that he is going to come inside. Then do not think you are great about it. No. If you are Realised, is a different point. Then you just get a feeling, vibrations inside. But if you are not Realised, and somebody comes and tells something in your ear, then you must know it is not good. That is ESP. And don’t try to have those ESPs around. These ESPs are nothing but people who are dead, who are busybodies. I told you they are busybodies and they are trying to bring some information to you. So, from the collective subconscious, they come down and try to oblige you. Now if the more obligations you take from them, the worse it is. Now suddenly somebody finds in their house, a Ganesha murti comes in – in India. There is one man who has got so many of them in India. Some have even got diamond ornaments on them. See, I have seen with My own eyes. And he came and told Me, that, “They have told me about You also, who You are. You are Hanumana’s mother, you are this, this mother..”. Because of the right-hand side, you know. They are coming from the right-hand side. So, these are the statues, they are worshipped by some dead people. And they are somewhere, here, there – in the storehouses of their children, [UNCLEAR] thrown away, all that. Not bothered. Or some people are not even doing proper worship. So these dead souls are bringing them along and putting them. He even writes, you know, things. He says, “Somebody writes for me”. Even if you do not know Sanskrit, they will be writing in Sanskrit. They say verses in Sanskrit, you will be amazed. There was a lady who came in My program, once, in the very beginning. And when she saw Me, “Huh, huh, huh...”, she started. I said, “What is this all going on, nonsense?”. She said, “The goddess has come into me”. ”The goddess has no other place but to come into you?”. But she went on and on, “Mother, I have come to see you, because you have come in person. I have heard You have come in person”. So the people got her out and they said she started speaking very good Sanskrit. And she was an ordinary maidservant. So people were surprised. How can a maidservant speak such a good Sanskrit language? Then she said all kinds of things about Me. She gave fifteen stanzas written by Markandeya in Sanskrit. Spoke on that. “This is what She is, this is what She is, this is what She is”, all described there. I said, “These dead people, these bhuts have to tell about Me; it is better that she goes away”. “Now will you please go away?”. There was one man, an ambassador, who came to Me and he became a Sahaja Yogi. Of course, his Kundalini was a funny thing – would not rise. He said, “I am a Sahaja Yogi”. I said, “You get realisation, then you will be a Sahaja Yogi”. “No, no, I am a Sahaja Yogi”. I carried on with him. He started writing great poems in the Sanskrit language, which he knew nothing. He started writing great poems. Now I told the thing that was in him, “Now get away from him. There is already one lady who is writing poems; they have seen her. She is all time doing like this and writing great poems about Me. She is an ordinary housewife. Has never done anything like that. She is writing great poems”. I [UNCLEAR/said], “Now will you please get out of her?”. They do not want to get out. So this man, I told him, “If you stop writing these poems, they will go away. Why do you write poems?”. He said, “No, I have become a genius”. I said, “Suddenly, how did you become a genius?”. He said, “Because I am a Sahaja Yogi”. I said, “I am Myself telling you that this is not your power. This is somebody else’s power. Why don’t you give it up?”. But he was feeling very great about himself. One day the thing left him. Sahaja Yogi: Didn’t Sahaja Yogis come together to purge him [UNCLEAR]. How did Sahaja Yoga start? Shri Mataji: What did he say? Sahaja Yogi: They start with the purging of [UNCLEAR]. Sahaja? Shri Mataji: No, it is a very old style. Sahaja, the whole thing is Sahaja. The whole evolution is Sahaja. You see, the whole thing is spontaneous. Sahaja means that, spontaneous. Born with you. It is all built into you. Like a seed. Has all the trees, map of it inside. Spontaneity. It has not started anywhere. It has started since the whole creation is... Sahaja Yogi: Yes, yes, that is true, but its manifestation – wasn’t it of the brahmin, priest? Shri Mataji: Yes, but this realisation business started in My lifetime, in My own lifetime, because I discovered, in My own lifetime, how to break the Sahasrara of human beings. My own evolution has happened. As you said that, it is the evolution of a deity itself. And then I started doing it. Have you been with Rajneesh? Sahaja Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: No? Thank God. So it was not the beginning or anything, but the culmination of it. The culmination. I actually saw the Sahasrara opening. Actually saw the pouring of it with My hand. I saw all that how [UNCLEAR/it is]. You see, that is why some people have an objection about other incarnations. Why didn’t they tell the whole thing? You see, up to the point you were, they could tell. What is the use of telling somebody if he does not understand? For example, Christ. Why didn’t He say ‘Kundalini’? Whom to tell – those fishermen? You see, the stage at which human beings are, you can tell. Sahaja Yogi: He actually said, “There are many other things which I cannot tell you”. Shri Mataji: He did say, He did say. So many things you know. If you read it you will see, so many things I said, He has already said it. But the things He did not say because – you know, it is a sad thing; He lived for only three, four years with those people. And they crucified Him. What a young age He died. He was of your age; He died. Think about it. It is a tremendous thing that happened. Very heart-wrenching. Horrible people. What about Muhammed Sahib? How they tortured Him, you have no idea. He had no place to live. He used to run from places to places with His wife and children. His daughter. They tortured them. That was not the time. Today they are not going to crucify Me. I know that. They cannot crucify Me. At most, they are going to say, “You cannot cure a person because You are not a doctor”. But they cannot crucify Me. So, the awareness is different. At a different awareness always it is worked out. Now Krishna, what He did – should we change the topic? If you would like, I would like to tell you about Krishna’s Sahaja style. If you like to hear, that will be sweeter. Rather than talking about this subconscious. Or want to have something – questions on subconscious style? Sahaja Yogi: No. Just that, yesterday was the only time I forgot to open your lemons. Woke up in the middle of the night feeling a bit crazy. So, I opened the lemons and went back to sleep. Somewhere in the middle of the night. It is the first night I did not do it, no? Shri Mataji: Yesterday was a horrible time, is it? So! Now he asked Me Sahaja style. I will tell you about Krishna’s Sahaja style. Tune yourself. Tune yourself with it. Then you will understand Krishna’s Sahaja style. Such a Sahaja system He used. This, all His plays with gopis was Sahaja. What He did? You see, “rasa”. Rasa means holding the hands together. Used to hold the hands. All right? “Ra” is energy, “sa” means with. He used to hold energy. Their energy through – who was “Ra”?; Radha was the energy sustainer. And He used to hold their hands. And the energy used to [UNCLEAR] rasa. Is the rasa. Now, what did He do? His Sahaja style was – of course, it was told to Me by – I sort of knew it, but sort of it was retold to Me by someone. I said, “Boghdan, you tell Me your experiences”. Like that, when I went to America, there was one Mr Lord who was an engineer. And when he got into realisation, he saw some of his past. Very strong man. I must say, one of the strongest Sahaja Yogis we have in America. A very strong person. And he saw himself being with Krishna. And he said, “What did I see Mataji? I was realising. When the Kundalini came up to this point, a light came and in that, what did I see? It was that we were small children playing. And there was a very bright, very illuminous child playing with us”. And what He does, you see. He saw. And he saw that all the children were playing. And they climbed upon each other like a pyramid. And broke a little, matka is it, pot. Earthern pot. In which some butter and some this thing was kept – butter and some... Sahaja Yogini: Dahi? Shri Mataji: Butter and some dahi. Some curd was kept you see. So they broke. Climbed on top and He broke. And the thing fell down. And everybody got filled with that. Now this man had never known Krishna, he had never known anything. He was an engineer and about fifty-five or so age of man. And he doesn’t know anyone. And it all fell down and [UNCLEAR]. Then an elderly lady came, you see, Yashoda. She came in and she said, “What? You have broken this? I will tie them together”. “And she tied us. You see, she tied us with a thing like this, a sari”. And, what he says there is the Sahaja. He said, “We found that our solar system was excited. And everybody was getting, sort of, their solar system excited”. Because it was tied to the solar system of Krishna and children of the same age, the same age group were tied together. So, the awakening at the solar system started; see the Sahaja style. And he also saw Me later. Which he described in a very, very correct manner. Forget that. But this is Sahaja. Now what Krishna did was, that Radha was the energy Herself. She used to go on the river Yamuna; put Her feet in that. Now you have seen when I put My feet in the water, it gets vibrated. It gets so vibrated that water can cure. All kinds of skin diseases, all kinds of stomach diseases can be cured – it is a wonderful thing. That is the river Ganges. It is more the river Ganges. Now, She used to put Her feet in the river Yamuna. Now, these gopis used to come and fill the water and walk with that. So, the vibrated water was on the head here. So, He used to break it. See. Break it with a stone. And that vibrated water would flow on their Kundalini at the time. Vibrating the Kundalini, awakening. This was His system. This was; He used play rasa. In that Radha used to give (Shri Mataji claps in rhythm) [UNCLEAR]. This is the pulsation, “spandana” as they call it, pulsation. Of that force. And She was keeping the time. And She was also holding it too sometimes, in Her leg. (Shri Mataji is probably tapping Her foot – a sound like a thumping beat), She was giving it. This is the heartbeat – of that force. And it used to vibrate, to awaken them. Because at that time, they were not Sahaja Yogis like this, learned. Some engineers, some this, very learned, [UNCLEAR], but were very ordinary, simple people living in Gokul and Vrindavan. So, that is how they played. And in that playing, they used to touch. Now here I call you, I call Cooly, “Now come along, put My hand here” – nobody would allow that kind of a thing. So what they used to take – a little kumkum and put it to Krishna. But they were so sensitive that they knew Krishna was great. Because Krishna showed His powers in His very, very early ages. At a very early age, Krishna killed Kalia. They saw Him killing two big rakshasas. When He killed them, they were actually in a tree. And when both the trees fell down, they came in their true state. He killed the Putana rakshasini. And all that they saw, with their own eyes. And ultimately He killed Kamsa. So He had the power to kill – “hanana”. Even today He kills. [UNCLEAR]. That is how He kills. [UNCLEAR] chakra. That is His style. If you are suffering from throat trouble, you have to do like that. Ha! So, this is what the thing is. So, you cannot say Sahaja was not there. That time Sahaja was there. Kabira. If you read Kabira, if you see him, see what he has to say. There is musical; we have got some bhajans or hymns that Kabira has written. He has said about Ida, Pingala, Sushumna, everything. And he talks about collective consciousness. And he talks about, also about vibrations. He talks all about them. Kabira is the same as Khalil Gibran. If you read Khalil Gibran, he is the same. If you read Zen you will understand. Zen is nothing but all Sahaja. Kahlil Gibran is all Sahaja. Rama was all Sahaja. Everything. His going to the jungles, He was sent to the jungles, the whole drama was played because bare feet Radha, Rama and Sita had to walk to vibrate the whole country. Christ was complete Sahaja; nothing else but Sahaja. You test Him, in everything He was nothing but Sahaja. You see the system of Sahaja means, “saha” means with and “ja” means born with you. The spontaneity that is within you works out. But at this time, the culmination point is there – on the Sahasrara. Where your Sahasrara is broken and you get your Realisation. And bhaktas and all promises got together. And the complete. And even you people. For example, I would say the Sahaja Yogis who have been with Me for the last four years know much more than you people. Much, much more than you know. They are much more sensitive. Stand much more than you. They understand much more that you do. You will also know. And will be, after some time knowing much more. Like the awareness you see. Will be given to you so much - as much as you can grasp it. Even telling it is too much sometimes. Yesterday when I was talking - I was thinking, some people it was going on the head. They were like this. Something, it was going from the sides. They were like this. And some of them were taken out from their clouds. They were blasted. And some of them felt it so much that they went away. And some of them, they did grasp something. They felt there was something. Different. New. That, if religion is one, it has to be integrated. It is like one tree coming up. One tree has many branches, had to be that way. Two flowers here, two flowers there. All flowers belong to the same tree. And the people have plucked them out – “this is my flower, this is your flower” – and the flowers are dead. It is one living tree having many flowers, at a different time. And their integration is to be understood through Sahaja only, means through vibrations, through Chaitanya. Now Markandeya Swami lived so many years back. He was Sahaja. If you read him, I mean, we sing him here. Markandeya we have to sing. If you have to understand, you have to sing. Markandeya, because He excites My chakras so much, the vibrations increase much more when you sing him. And Shankacharya was the greatest Sahaja. The real one – Adi Shankaracharya was the greatest Sahaja. Muhammad was the greatest Sahaja. All of them. Hazrat Ali was a great Sahaja. All of them. Buddha and Mahavira. All were Sahajas. With Buddha, the thing happened, He went round and round and round and round and came back [UNCLEAR/to Me]. And He thought all going round [UNCLEAR]. Because He was a human being who became really divine. An incarnation. And I would say this was the greatest. For Christ, because He was an incarnation. But He was a human being who became an incarnation [UNCLEAR]. But what are these Buddhists, horrible people, doing here? The worst possible people of [UNCLEAR] are Buddhists. They have no sense of any kind. Beggars. And using their sex and all those things, in the name of God. Now you people have to decide. If you have to go further and further, first of all, establish yourself in the Truth. No falsehood about this. Be truthful to yourself. First of all, you have to be truthful to yourself. Am I honest with myself? You have problems, I know. You have problems of centres because certain mistakes have been committed. All right. We will correct it. But first of all, be truthful with yourself. Because if you are really the greatest seekers, then you will find it because you have asked for it. For many years, for thousands of years, you have been seeking. And today you are sitting in London as ordinary people. Sometimes My husband says to Me, “What are you doing?”. I say, “I am doing the service of the saints”. He says, “Where are the saints? I can’t see them”. I said, “In modern times they are wearing suits and boots and jeans. You can’t see them. They are all saints”. Because those who are seeking are the saints. And those who are realised are the pirs, are the Brahmins, are the enlightened ones. Are the Christians. Are the baptised. Something like, at the time of Christ – in a hut, sitting like this He is talking. Horrible times. Worst possible things happened. They all passed through all that. You are all going to be tomorrow citizens of a new world. And you have to give them. The time has come. Because the time has come it has worked out. There was one flower in the beginning. There were five flowers. Now it is the blossom time. You have started blossoming. At the blossom time, how do they mature? Thousands and thousands of flowers into fruits. And you are going to mature. I was waiting for a certain time. Because you were to be convinced that all nonsensical things were to be given up. This is falsehood. This is not God. This is not what we are seeking. Needed some time to decide. But you cannot decide fully with this brain, I can tell you. Only you can rationalise it and come to some conclusions. But you have to experience. You have to become that. That is what you have to ask for. You see, even a person who is very ignorant on the education side could be a great Sahaja Yogi. We have people like that. You know, there is a man from a village who comes to us. He doesn’t even know how to write. He is a very, very great Sahaja Yogi. These people have met him. We went to his house, to his village. And you know, he had two to three hundred people gathered very devotionally. Arranged for us the program. And such Sahaja Yogis were there. And he comes to the programs every time, from that distance. And every time he comes to the program, he will bring a flower, a garland for Me. So, I felt a little bad. I said, “Everything time you have to spend so much money. Must you come all this way?”. He says, “Mother, you have solved my money problem”. I said, “How?”. He said, “You don’t know?”. I said, “ I don’t know”. He said, “I will tell you. We had one fam where we used to work. But it used to yield very little to us because it was a small farm. And part of it was absolutely useless. We never used to do any farming in that area. And one day a man came to me after I got my Realisation about seven, eight days later. And he said, 'This part of your land, we would like to take the clay from here? It is very good for making bricks'. And he is giving me enormous money. And with all that, if I bring one garland for you, why should you worry”. So, you improve materially in Sahaja Yoga, you see because your Laxmi chakra is improved. Laxmi gives you strength or “vaibhava” as the wealth. Lakshmi is a Goddess which has got the form of a lady. She is a mother. She is a mother. And a true mother will give – every bit of her material possession and every bit of her emotional possession to her child, you see. There is nothing in this world she will not give for her child. Nothing more important than her child is, so she is a mother; Lakshmi. Then She is also having in one hand, another like this – see Lakshmi? She gives you “abhaya”, She gives you reassurance – abhaya. And this which She gives. So the man who is supposed to be rich must have must people whom he has given some assurances. To whom they are “ashritas”. Dependents. He must have some people who are dependent on him otherwise he is not a “Lakshmipati”, but he is just a man who has money. Is a wretched thing. Is hopeless. This one. This one. He should be generous. All the time flowing. With this hand is flowing. Lakshmi. Now, She has four hands. On one hand, in these two hands, She has got a pink coloured lotus. Both the hands, two lotuses. Pink is a sign of love, of warmth. And the lotus is very cosy. She is the cosiest. A person who has money – in their house if you go, it should not be like a hospital. Everything painted out, all starched. Down you don’t know where to look, what to do – so nervous about the whole thing. It should be cosy, a cosy thing. Like the lotus. Is very cosy. Is very beautiful also. It is very beautiful and inside is placed, a nice bed. To rest. And it closes down in the night. And the fragrance of the beautiful pink lotus spreads all over. So, a man who has money should have a house like that. He should be always receptive. His house should be full of cosiness. If a man who is rich is miserly, he is not a rich person. He is not. In any way. He is not enriched at all because he is a miser. A man who is rich should have his heart open so that he receives anybody who comes in. Even a “bhunga” is a; what do you say to a bhunga in English? Sahaja Yogini: Bee. Shri Mataji: And the black? Black bee. Even the black bee comes in the lotus and makes it sleep on its bed. So, that is the sort of a rich man he should be. He should be beautiful and he should have “Shri Shobha” means he should have a glow about it. And he should be fragrant. These are the signs of Lakshmi. And of all the things, She Herself stands on a lotus. Means such a man should be so light. While if you see the rich people, Oh God! You don’t know how to face them. Immediately you will know they are rich. They will show off they are rich. They will bore into you. They will have such a weight. But Lakshmi is a light one. She mixes up anyone, She goes anywhere, She throws. That is what is a Lakshmipati. That is why it is vaibhava. It is not money. It is not wealth. It is much more than that. So, that is what is a Lakshmi. And when She is awakened, everything comes to you. That means whatever money you get, you get dynamic with it, beautiful things – out of little money, lots of things are done. There are people who will cook with small little things, and when you eat it, “Ah, it is so nice, so nice”. And you go to a big place and they have thrown a big dinner and a banquet. Whatever food, we could not even eat anything. Better go and eat something at home. It [UNCLEAR] with that kind of a thing. It is that. So Laksh,mi also rises. You also get money; you get materially better when you are a Sahaja Yogi. Your problems get solved. Many problems get solved. You become very artistic. Your creativity increases. So all happens because this power is within you. Because of Swadishthana chakra. This I will tell you some time now – seven chakras; what happens when they are awakened. Outside. Apart from inside. We had one disciple, Modi. He came to Me when he had no job. In India, if you have no job, it is a terrible thing to happen. He had a wife and two kids. And he came to Me and he got his realisation. Of course, he suddenly became very dynamic. He felt very much better. So I told him “Why don’t you decorate a ship?”. He said, “Ship? Decorate it? I have never seen wood; I don’t know what is wood and what is good”. I said, “You see the vibrations and do it”. He did it. Now he has a very good job. You develop new dimensions into anything. Because it is your own power which manifests. You know there is a power. Everybody says, “There is a power that is within you, that is within you, that is within you”. Where is it? Just you get it, “Now it is here”. It is flowing. And not only that it enlightens you, but it enlightens others also. This is the thing. It was the property of very few once upon a time. But historically, it should have been the property of many. Otherwise, people would not have been convinced. That is what happened. Gregoire had a very nice point about it. He said, “In the East, there were very few people who found it out. Christ found it or something. Then what happened with other people? They said, ‘We cannot find it’, so negate it”. They started negating it. They went on to the other side of it. So, they developed a collective awareness of society, of political awareness and this and that. They developed. But the main point was missing. So it had to combine. So this awakening had to come to the masses. So this en masse revelation is there. Had to. Historically. It is beautiful. This disciple of Mine, if you read his book you will know how a person can become absolutely dynamic. He was paranoid when he came to Me. Paranoid. You see, his head was going as if two big horns were coming out of his head. When he first saw Me, (Shri Mataji intones non-stop talk), I said, “What is he talking. God alone knows. Now how am I to know what he is talking”. I said, “Don’t talk to Me”. I can’t hear such people. He was going (Shri Mataji intones again). My husband also looked at him, “Now is this madman you have got in the house?” He was really like a madcap. And he improved so much. And now he has written a book you see [UNCLEAR]. And in such a short time. Now he is writing another book. You all must read his book. It is wonderful. Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear]. Shri Mataji: Ah? And Gavin is going to write another. She is going to write another. She is going to write about all these sadhus, babas and these gurus and all these people she has met. And all the occultism she has faced. And she knows that. Because it is an inside story. Because her husband did all that. So she is going to write all that. Any questions? You came today? For the first time? Has he come for the first time? Attendee: Yes. Shri Mataji: This one with the blue. First time? Attendee: Yes. Shri Mataji: All right, do come here. Come along. Please come. May God bless you. Sit down. Sit down. Now see, when I attend to a person, you should know that person has a problem. That is why I am more attentive to that person. And those who have no problems, I do not attend to them because they are all right. So, you should not feel hurt I am not attending. For example, Miriam, I do not attend to her at all. She is a born Realised. So, I don’t attend to her. And I use her the most, you see. So, you must know you are like that. Those who need repairs are attended to. This is a repairing shop, to begin with. Now let us see. He has not been to Me before I know. Just see his vibrations. Come along. So, you have to learn how to repair yourself, how to give Realisation, how to repair others. And how to enjoy yourself you must also know. But you have to go deep down into it. That is one thing I must tell you. Like you have to dig a well. You go to several places. But once you have found the water there, then you have to go deep down into it. Then again you will start digging other holes – you will have nothing but holes within. Go deep. You have to be deep. Tell your mind to go deep. Not to go into superficial areas. Your mind has been superficial in the sense that the depth was never felt. But when you felt the depth, remember it and catch hold of it. And go deeper and deeper into it. Because superficially if you exist, you cannot get much deeper. Only those who are seeking the depths of their own being can go far. Because we have Sahaja Yogis of different levels, I have seen. Some of them are very, very superficial. Extremely superficial. Even in India, there are so many who are superficial. What is the use? [UNCLEAR/short conversation between Shri Mataji and the newcomer]. Shri Mataji: What is your name? Newcomer: Antoni. Antoni. Shri Mataji: Antoni? Now, you been to some guru or someone? Have you been to some guru? Someone? No one? You have never been to anyone? You have listened to somebody’s lectures? Never? [Shri Mataji asks Sahaja Yogis to check the chakras]. Sahaja Yogi: Both Nabhis. Shri Mataji: Both Nabhis? Where are your parents? Parents? Father, mother they are here? Your parents, where are they? Sahaja Yogini: You speak what, Italian or English? Newcomer: Italian. Shri Mataji: Somebody Italian should tell him. Come along, come here, come here. He has not been to any guru or anything is it? [Sahaja Yogi asks in Italian]. Newcomer: [UNCLEAR/taking drugs]. Shri Mataji: I was about to ask him. Nabhis, both. I was about to ask him that question. But I was a little worried about him. You see, both the Nabhis. Drugs. Drugs. Both the Nabhis. Drugs. I was about to say that. But I thought he will feel hurt. So, let him sit down there and take out for a while on the right-hand side. Go and they will tell you what is to be done. All right? Now, what about you? Are you all right? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: What about your friend? Come along. Sahaja Yogi: Which hand should we put out the window? Which hand out the window? Shri Mataji: Just now for the right, you put towards Me and left you get out. Now all of you can tell him. Now see for yourself. Which finger is burning. You put yourself in a bandhan. You give a bandhan to your aura. He is not yet realised; you have to work on him still. A little bit on him. But others are. Now. Seven times. Now you just tell Me. What is the thing [UNCLEAR/working out] on her? Tell Me, all of you. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogis are checking and clearing]. What else? She is saying the same, Swadishthana. This is a serious problem. It is here. Now you see, you put these thumbs in your ears. It will be better. Let us see. Are you all set-up? Much more relaxed. Are you? Now tell Me, which one is catching? It could be easy to know yourself. Now, even better. Now which one is catching, see first. No, they will tell. Sahaja Yogis: The whole right hand. The Nabhi. Right Nabhi. Right Agyna. Right [UNCLEAR]. Right over there. Shri Mataji: All right. So let us sit down with the right hand first and [UNCLEAR]. Can you take out your socks also? Sahaja Yogi: Which hand did you say was to be outside? Shri Mataji: Right hand towards Me, the left hand outside. The one which is bad has to be towards Me. Left outside. Is better. Is it? Sahaja Yogi: He was getting a cool breeze last night. Shri Mataji: He is. He actually got Realisation. You see, I never saw him last night. I saw him the previous day. Did I see you last night again? Newcomer: No. I was there. Shri Mataji: I did not see you. That is why I thought that; but still. Now, what about your father? Don’t write to him? Newcomer: Sometimes. Shri Mataji: Very unhappy about him? You are married? Turn around. Turn around. Come along. A little bit here on the right-hand side. You can feel it also. All right. Better now? Is he better now? What is your name? You never told Me. Another newcomer: Sheela. Shri Mataji: Sheela. [BREAK/UNCLEAR comment by someone]. Shri Mataji: You will be. Absolutely. You are to be absolutely cleansed and made into beautiful swans in the lake of God’s [UNCLEAR/realm]. Feeling better? Now, what is your name? You never told Me. Newcomer: Alfred. Alfred. Shri Mataji: Alfred? Is all right. Kumar? The right side is better? Everything. Are you feeling vibrations? Newcomer: A little. Shri Mataji: Are you feeling, both the hands? Vishuddhi is good. Sahaja Yogis: No. Sahaja Yogi: Taking the Left Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Left? Other Sahaja Yogis: Right. Shri Mataji: Both sides? I was just wondering – an Englishman having a good Vishuddhi, I have not met. [UNCLEAR/Sahaja Yogi mentions the name of a boy and everyone laughs]. Sahaja Yogi: He is only a couple of years old. Shri Mataji: Don’t call him an Englishman. He is beyond. He is a born Realised. Born Realised don’t belong to any nation. No, because [UNCLEAR/properly] may be the reason. Let us see now. (A little loudly): For all the English people, get out of this Vishuddhi problem. See, never to say a harsh word to anyone. That is the best thing. Never to say you see. Never to be in the quarrelling style is the best way. The way we answer back, and we think, “What is wrong?” Is not [UNCLEAR] you see, because you people have been very, very powerful politically, once upon a time. Then on top of that, you smoke. And all over the places, there is smoke. And the Vishuddhi gets [UNCLEAR/blocked]. [End of tape 4 and end of workshop recording].

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“Workshop and discussions with Shri Mataji,” Finchley Ashram 1 11 November 1977 Tape 1 ( 1977-11-03 Workshop Part 2 Finchley Ashram, 93', min 43:29 Shri Mataji: See, in the beginning Sahaja is such a sweet thing that in the beginning it makes you such that you get the vibrations alright. And in the beginning it doesn’t give you the feeling of heaviness so much as it would to these people (yogis). It doesn’t make you feel nervous. Because supposing the first day, only, you get a heavy head, you would say, “What sort of a Sahaja Yoga is this one?” See? So it makes you, first of all, [feel] very nice and happy. But then, you see, it makes you also strong! And it makes you a witness. Then, when you start you don’t mind: you just got this in your head, it’s alright “haaa hooo,” but you take it out, you fight it out. It’s like you see it’s training, in a battlefield, and you have to fight the satanic forces, alright? So suddenly you are not exposed to the battlefield, but what they do is to first of all prepare you. First you are hit by a mock sword, so you don’t feel it. Then you strengthen your sword. Better now? Better? They used to be so much frightened, you know! Everybody coming used to be frightened! They used to be very frightened, now they have become very relaxed! Italian Yogi: (Tells story about something) Shri Mataji: That’s what I was telling you that, you see, God’s power is everywhere. You will see that now, you will feel it. When you become subtler and subtler you will see that, that is everywhere it’s acting, it’s organising with love. Only the trouble with us [is] we do not leave any space, any realm, for Him to act. When we try to do everything ourselves, he says, “Alright, go ahead!” You [must] allow Him to work out. Sahaja means that. ‘Sahaja’ means that you allow Him to work out. Sheila (from Harrow): (tells story) Shri Mataji: But to recognise Me is a big thing you have done. There are so many of brains, you see, but they don’t recognise. They never recognised Christ, and it was very difficult and by the time they recognised Him, He had gone away, and He was resurrected: that’s the time that they recognised. Then they started shouting and beating their heads. And this is what they did to you. That shows your pure sensitivity, pure sensitivity. If you are not sensitive you can never recognise Me, whatever you may try: you cannot. That’s it! Because there are so many realised-souls, some of them, born: they do not recognise. Sheila: Why? Shri Mataji: You see, the reason is, because they have achieved their realisation, they think, through their efforts, through their penance, yes, and they think they have been very great warriors, and they have done it, so the ego develops in them, and they do not want to recognise somebody in person because they have got it in an abstract way, so they do not want to recognise Me. But sometimes they do not, but then I have seen, ultimately they do. But those who are born at a much higher level, they recognise me already. I mean, I have not met them, so many of them, but they know me [that] I am there. They are telling people that, “She is there. Go and meet [her].” So many of them. Satpal is one of them, he went to somebody who is a mahatma who never comes out of his place; and first time before coming here he went to him, and he said, “What are you asking me this [for]? The Shakti has gone to England now! She is there. Shakti is there. You have come from England, why don’t you see her there? She is there.” But they stay in the temples, they stay in the forests, they are not down. Because they are afraid. You know, people might do something against them; they really tortured. And this also they catch [from them]. You are under my protection [so] I can look after you; but this catching business, if there is nobody to look after it, it can be terrible, you see. Now this Gagangan Maharaj he has both the legs like this and hands are like this, he can’t walk by himself, so he goes on a tiger. He knows about Me; because they have an awareness of a different style. Are you better now? What is it? Give a bandhan to yourself. These all have come out from the same sort of problems as you have. They have all, very much, so they understand and they have patience for you, that’s the reason. So whom did you go with? Seeker: My guru? Shri Mataji: Ha. Seeker: Muktananda. You don’t like him? Shri Mataji: Oh, like? I mean! So, did he touch you somewhere? Seeker: Ah yes, he did touch me there. Shri Mataji: Agnya? Seeker: Yes, on the Agnya. Shri Mataji: Yes, will you please remove your hair a little on top, if you can now watch here (Mother’s Agnya). Better now? Horrible! Actually Muktanand started, Muktanand was a realised-soul, his guru [Nityanand] was a realised soul. But I wouldn’t say that he was a very higher realised personality, but he was realised, born-realised, but he had not reached a great achievement to know many things. And he used to catch his Agnya too much from other people, so he used to throw stones at people, anybody who would go to him, he used to throw stones, and then this Muktanand also joined him and there are many others who joined him. And when he died Muktanand said, “I’m his chief disciple,” and this and that. But he developed these powers. And this you can develop very easily. It’s very easy. I’m going to tell you about how they developed these powers. But these are not powers, but these are sort of diseases, actually. And as you can contaminate another by your disease, in the same way it was with this fellow. And then he started this ashram in a very small manner to begin with. Then in India we have lots of black markets, lots of them; we had them, and again we are having them. I mean, in any countries where there is too much of income tax, there are these types of people. In India, you see, basically they are a little frightened of God all the time, so they think that, “We are doing all this [bad things] so let’s also have some generosity, some sort of a guru, so that we are saved.” You see, at least a part of it should be given. So they try to find out someone. So, you see, Muktanand came forward, and actually he started an ashram for the people who were doing well. And then lots of hippies coming down to Goa and all these places. So they said, “Alright, my guru has lived, and I will start my ashram.” And he was in the military first of all, and then he retired from there. On the other hand, this fellow Jungde, he’s another horrible fellow, he joined him. And he was a private secretary of (some politician) ??? and that, because he was a private secretary before joining him, you see, he knew how to administer all forms of income. His wife was a very sensible woman to begin with, but then she also got into it. And the business started fast . And the minister was the minister of industry in India, in Bombay, just Maharashtra, that part, that state. Actually I know him so well, you can’t imagine, this minister. He was my father’s (?). And he knew about Me from my childhood, he knew that I was something exceptional and all that. And he came to Me one day, and he asked Me, and his wife also asked Me, “What do you think of this Muktananda?” I said, “Which Muktanand?” Because many are called Muktanand. I said he was a realised-soul. But actually I did not pay any attention to Muktanand at that time. And they got into it so badly! You see, because the money that was coming from this black market and all that was given [by them to Muktanand] and these people had sort of a respite in that: so that they would give the money and the people would go and stay there, and they would feel that a little bit our sins are being taken away by that sort of a charity. We call it as daan (दान: charitable gift). Daan is a gift to God, or something you give to God. Then so many hippies we had in Goa and when they started… Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you? Seeker: Very well Shri Mataji: Good, good! Very nice! Sit down on the chair. And you don’t wear [clothes] that tight, alright? Your clothes are too tight, and we must all wear a little loose clothes, is a better idea. Alright, put your hands out. I mean, no harm in wearing a tight one but for Kundalini movement and all that, if it is tight, then the muscle movement is not easy because it flows through your muscles and everything, the vibrations, so if it is a little loose clothes it is better. At least for meditation it is better. Alright. …then this man, when he started this thing, these people from Goa, especially from Goa, had no money after some time. You see because the money that was sent to them was finished, so maybe the parents must have given them up, whatever it is, so quite a lot of them were there in a big mess. So this gentleman, this minister, he thought, “Why not put these people into that ashram?” Sort of he brought all of them and put them there, sort of atonement for the sins. These he brought there. And he prepared in the early stages, some of them, into this business side of seeking. And they were taking drugs and everything. So on one side the drug system was there and on another side they were having their food and all that, and it was like a show there. So, for Indians, when they went there they saw so many foreigners being saved, you know, [so] their feeling of pity was satisfied that, “What a thing we are doing for these poor people!” and “We are helping them out and everything.” And it was such a great experience for them to feel that, and everybody started donating money. And then this fellow started it in a big way, and then he also started pressing at wrong points of many people. For example, the one who had come that day, he had touched. And he touches on the private parts of – Muktananda has done – on many people he has done it. Not [only] that be, he has also used some women, many more women, who came to me. But you see, Indian women are so afraid, even everybody is afraid, you see, the women, to say like that, that, “That he has used us.” Such a nonsense it is. I mean, it’s being a prostitute. It’s being like that. But there were lots of reports and people went to the police and this and that and there was some Mr. Wuqtat, who was a minister of, I think he was the minister for the land and revenue, and the police came to him and everything happened, and they wanted to have a case against it. They wanted to file a report against him, the way he was on. But you see, it went to the government said, “No, we are getting lots of foreign exchange now for that, so let him be, don’t disturb him.” Just imagine! And I shouldn’t say all these things to you, but I know this has happened, then you must know. And so they left him alone to do whatever he pleases, because he was bringing lots of money! When he went to America, about three years back, he got three crores of foreign exchange. Seeker: They had a jumbo jet. Shri Mataji: A jumbo jet, yes. And, with that, when he came back, naturally people said, “Now he’s bringing money to us.” But actually he didn’t bring the money as such, he didn’t give it to the government. But you see, so much foreign exchange was earned, and he got the exchange for that! You see, foreign exchange he got, is the point. You see, supposing you take money from here, and it’s the foreign exchange, then the money you can have, Indian money you can have, but they get the foreign exchange, isn’t it. And that’s how they were very happy with him, because they could buy jumbo and all that, with that money. So the whole thing turns out, just see how; how everybody gets involved into it. It passes through such a materialistic style , and it makes everybody branded because, “It’s alright!” Like a prostitute selling her body and earning her money: “It’s alright! It’s alright! What’s wrong? I am getting money quite alright, what’s wrong in it?” It’s the same style. And that’s how the government, at the time of Indira Gandhi only this happened, that she said, “What’s wrong in it? He’s doing foreign exchange, let him do it. We are having foreign exchange, what’s the harm?” Same thing happened with the fellow Brahmachary who was with her. Every day he used to come on the television! Horrible fellow! And when he came here, he wanted to give me a photo. I’ll manage him that way. But I am saying [that] this is what it is. And every day he was there [on TV] and that ashram was donated to him free of cost by the government people! Government has given that ashram! Such a big ashram. And he was given special sort of facilities; like he could travel anywhere he wanted to, and he could enter into Indira Gandhi’s house, absolutely, even in the night. Any time he could come out and enter there and stay with her and do whatever he pleases! When the whole government collapsed then this came out, but this fellow, this Brahmachary was having a - there was a lady, Chopra, Mrs. Chopra, but the man [husband] reported that he used that woman: and there were seven rooms he had which he says, and he used to be in the seventh room, and you have to pass from one to another and the one who went through each seven had this kind of a ‘blessing’ from him. And this Mrs. Chopra, poor thing, you know, it was announced in the paper, all these things came up: her husband told that, “This is what happened, I went from the back side on the seventh floor, and, and I saw her sleeping with him!” He saw, and he said, nobody hit him or anything because he was arrested, and he was sent to jail, and he was in jail all the time, because he saw this happening to his own wife! And when this Indira Gandhi’s went down, then his wife said, “Yes, it’s a fact.” But in India such wives have no place so poor thing, she’s in a very big mess now, but this is what it is. Sheila (from Harrow): I can’t understand why the women let him do this. . Shri Mataji: That’s it. But what happens, I tell you, it is the way they impress on you [is] because they mesmerise you, they mesmerise you. You see, they mesmerise you. And by that, and they just say, “Come along, this is God’s thing. You are a seeker.” Sheila (from Harrow): They manipulate you. Shri Mataji: Oh, they play all kinds of tricks! They mesmerise you. They are very polite, they are very kind. They never say anything against anyone. Oh, and you think they are a gem of a people, you know. They are very, very soft-spoken, and very sweet to you and [then] all sorts of things they do. Seeker: Are you saying that Muktananda was doing this? Or was it this Brahmachary? Shri Mataji: Yes, very much. Very much! Seeker: But Muktananda is a powerful abstainer, isn’t he? Shri Mataji: He tells outside, abstainer. That’s what it is after. They tell as if it is abstaining. And then [when] you go inside, they tell the (?) ! Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: They have a private audience, you see. They have a private audience. They are rakshasas! They can have ten women at a time. They are horrid people! They eat like hell! If you see how much they eat. This Muktananda’s food, if you see, you’ll be surprised how much he can eat. Seeker: They say he eats very little, and that, since he was fifteen, he has been a total abstainer. Shri Mataji: That is what it is! You see, what happens is that they have a group of people around them, and they give all these stories. All these stories are given out like that. Terrible! I went to see him, Muktanand, just to put him a little bit right. Oh, but he is a master, so you cannot put a master right! I wanted to see him what sort of a fellow he was, and he looked at Me, and coming in a big car with a chauffeur, then they know that she’s such and such and her husband is such and such. And he looked at Me, and he came with a very great thing, and he gave me also a shawl. I said, “I don’t take anything from you.” And he took Me down to the meditation hall and all that, and he said, “You see we need lots of money to build up this and that and that…” I said, “In this meditation hall, you have got photographs of so many people! What are these people who are here?” He said, “These are all the people who come at my feet!” I said, “Really?” And he took my photograph also with him, somebody was there who took my photograph, so I said, “Are you going to put that one also here?” He said, “They come at my feet.” He said, “No, this is meditation hall, and I want to tell people because once they recognise that way then they’ll surrender better.” He said, “Are you by the way interested in meditation?” I said, “By the way, I am not at all interested.” And many women have come to him, but they don’t want to say it. Seeker: Brahmachary is in jail now, isn’t he. Shri Mataji: Brahmachary was in jail, but what about this Dekhadas? Dekhadas is the same type. He’s now got leprosy, imagine he’s got leprosy! And another thing is Muktananda is suffering from VD! Now, this is the limit of this: he’s suffering from VD! You see, he has a doctor who is a brother-in-law of Subramaniam. Sheila (from Harrow): Why do they do this? Shri Mataji: Because they are on the other extreme, you see. Because they are monsters! Sheila (from Harrow): Everything they do is exaggerated, not just sex but food… Shri Mataji: Everything! Or they will be abstaining to such an extent, some of them are like this also, I would say, they can be like that; that they are hot tempered, absolutely! They don’t eat anything, they eat only human beings, you see the mind is like that, their appetite is that if anybody passes, “Put them! Do this! Do that!” Absolutely from inside, sort of a burning fire! They can be two types, extremes. Yogi: Like the old sages. Shri Mataji: Yes we have had some Vishwamitras and all that in our own times, we have had. They never did any salvation work for the people. You have to be in the centre. Sex? Alright, but must have sanctified sex. And rise above it. You should feel satisfied about it because if you do not feel satisfied about it that means it’s no good! So with one wife, one person, if you have sex all your life, then gradually you rise, and you go deeper into her, deeper understanding into it. But you see the whole society is so upside down: they think if you have sex then you are a great person! I mean, what is so great? This is only done among…you know, impotent people only think like this! You see, only impotent people have these kinds of ideas that if you have sex, then only you are a great person. Gradually in India, if you start from childhood that [you] try to keep your mind away from this as far as possible. I mean, you are not even allowed to see naked women or any photograph like that. I mean, they used to say that, put your eyes always down below. I mean, anyone like that walks with the eyes down below, in India. The people of my age in India walk with the eyes down below, I mean, those who are brought up from the proper family. And, looking too much at women or interested in women, people don’t like; they don’t like it. In the society women are separate, men are separate, if you meet [or] anything. And any man coming too much among the women and talking too much, then they won’t like it; they call him (grandpa??), which is a bad name for him. Here, (?) the other day for the priest, they said, “He’s a ladykiller!” I mean, if you said this to an Indian he will die of shame, “Oh God!” Because we have had models like Rama. It’s regarded as very bad! You ask them, they have been to the villages: very innocent people! They just don’t bother about these things. I mean, if somebody does that they think, “Ah! What sort of a man!” Now, in my family, once two sanyasis came and my daughter said, “Mummy, you don’t let these two horrible fellows! You see, they have very bad eyes. We don’t want to have them in the house.” And here a girl seems very much enamoured [by attention]. We are surprised at that. Once my husband came down, and he said, “You know, it’s very funny about these people! The father of the girl was telling me that these two girls went for a bathing in some place, and all boys were making remarks on them, and they were feeling very great about it!” In India, the girl would have taken out her slipper and beaten those boys! How dare he pass remark at her! And this is getting on [encroaching] your privacy. Everybody doesn’t have the right to look at us with that eyes! That should be taught. And it’s surprising [that] it’s in this place where Christ is worshipped. What did He say for this? Not even the adulterous eyes. To that subtle power he went into. Even not only the mind but even the adulterous eyes. Even if you have adulterous eyes, he will not live here: he said it clearly. It’s an insult! It’s just to make Him die in this place [Agnya] that they did all this. It’s not regarded as good manners in India to be exposed like this: very bad manners it is! Now you ask these girls – they will tell you, they have been to India – how women live and how they behave. Actually, you meet all wrong type of people here. But you were also [once dharmic] like that. It’s all been spoilt only recently. Funny ideas of modernism of using women. I mean, one should feel ashamed! And that’s how the women, when they lose their power, the whole nation collapses. It’s only on the women, their power, the nation exists: on their sense and their wisdom. And they become so aggressive! Now this boy has a mother who is so aggressive! Terrible people! Is she better now? I know, I know how they are. I have seen them – most surprising. A mother has to be extremely loving and tolerant and wise, and should respect her chastity. I mean, it’s an abuse in India if somebody says about the mother, and here it’s surprising, he’s saying that everybody has relationship with the mother. What to do now? Are we a different type of a people or some funny, funny people who are born in that country where it’s an abuse. If you say that [in India] you can be murdered for that! Perhaps maybe in the law it may not be permissible if you say that in India to someone. Hmm. Horrible! Now first I used to think that this Muktanand is only using that money and publicity and all that, so I said, “Let him have money, whatever he wants. Doesn’t matter.” But then when his disciples started coming to Me, I realised he had spoiled their Kundalini. Then I was very angry with him. Because that is the primule, you see. That is how you are going to get your second birth. And he’s spoiling that! And for so many of you would never have got it, for many lives the way he has spoilt. Some of them he has spoilt very badly. Now there’s a problem we have with this man, bald headed gentleman who comes. I don’t know if he’ll get it. He gets it, but it drops down. You see, his Kundalini drops down, drops down. When he [Muktanand] touches the Kundalini, he makes the chakras so loose that the Kundalini comes up and after some time drops down. Now. Yah! Come along! How are you? How is Ravi? (1:17:30 Short Hindi conversation with Ravi) For his treatment? Woooow! He’s gone for his treatment, or what has he gone for? When he got there? Ravi: Kuch ?? . Shri Mataji: Kaise abhi? (How is he now?) Ravi: Bas, kharab hai. (Still sick) Us ka tabiyat. (His health) Shri Mataji: Bahut kharab (very sick). Bahut usne safaya. (He cleared a lot). Ghar mein chalna chaahiye (He should walk in the house). Ghar mein, main chalana chaahiye (At home I also have to walk) Ravi: (Hindi) Shri Mataji: Aisa hai. Ye sach hi baat (That’s very true). That style of people, very thin, angry. Ravi: (Hindi) Shri Mataji: No, no. You cannot. You leave it too much. You cannot change him. It’s really not possible, you know. I got it from him. Now which one is yours? Now come along. I could bring chocolate for you only! All for the Sahaj Yogis is a good idea. But, you see, I could bring you chocolates. Today we have dinner for you, I must announce beforehand. You see, we have dinner but cook it now. Marie: It’s already cooked. Yogini: Marie has done it. Shri Mataji: Oh! Already been cooked. So there is dinner for us. Marie: Only the vegetables are not cooked. Shri Mataji: Ah, come along. You see, the other day, Gavin said a very sweet thing: he was angry with Me. When I went away in the morning time, he came on my foot and his Agnya was caught. I said, “Why are you angry?” So he said, “I was very angry Mother because you didn’t keep them for food!” I said, “Well, you should have told me! I was thinking you had no food in the house!” And they wanted to go, so I said, “Alright, go now!” I didn’t offer them any food. And I was very happy, you see. The whole day yesterday I was very joyous to see his generosity about it. And the way he was angry, it was a correct way to get angry with Me. I love it that way, if you are angry that [way]. You see, he had brought for everyone, and he was very unhappy that he couldn’t give food, you know. How are you? Fine? Have you removed the water? Now remove it! Take out the water and wipe your feet. No, let him wipe! You put yourself on the side here. And then you have to take yourself that water into the WC, alright? Are you better now? No? Seeker: I’m not sure. Shri Mataji: A little cool in the hands? Not yet? No, you come here, I will feel what’s the problem. Hmm. You must see the vibrations coming. Ha? It’s better now. But what is behind here I want to see. You see, the trouble is more with the ??? and they have to get out. Agnya? Now, are you feeling cool breeze in the hands? Let’s see now, now you have been cleared. Sit down. Aaaah! You see the vibrations of this person, just see. Take a bandhan and see for yourself. Turn around. Just see now. Are you lighter now? Coolly is at the back. Feel very good? Marie: I feel a little bit cool on this hand there. Shri Mataji: I mean, we’ve removed this quite a lot. But you won’t be alright till your father is alright because you are catching from him. You see. Our father and mother, both are built within us. Hello, how are you? Good! Good! So nobody is going away without eating, alright? And at the time when you want to give them to eat, you tell him. . And I’m just eating your bhoots all the time! (laughing) Ha! For Me, it’s alright, I’m never hungry. So you have met some friends of his? Marie: Not really, no. Shri Mataji: Hello! How are you? May God bless you! She has not yet come, your wife? Bogdan Shehovych: Not today, she wants to talk to her sister. Shri Mataji: I knew that. She has a big problem. Sit down. See his vibrations. Bogdan : The whole day, I was just cramped here. It was burning in Left Swadishthana. My whole left side was just aching, but I was still in thoughtless awareness, when I was watching TV in the evening I sort of sensed some badha or something coming into superego. I had a sympathetic shock and I ran off to eliminate my bowels. Anyway, I just looked at it. I wasn’t liking it much, but I looked at it and in the morning I was good. But it’s getting irritating. It doesn’t want to stop. Shri Mataji: Now, if I told you about your friend, you would not have been used to that. But you see how terrible they are! Their contamination is so terrible that it is better to know about them. You see, this experience is necessary also, because otherwise how can anybody know? They will think that, “Mataji is telling about everyone like that.” But you see, whatever is a disease or whatever is a contamination, you must know about. Ha! Better now. Heart? Left? Oh God! Just give him a bandhan. All [of] you put your hand on your heart. Right hand on your heart. (1:29 – Hindi conversation with Ravi) Hello, come along! How are you now? Really? You put your right hand there, you take it off. Only with thirteen years, how many times he must have (? lethargy) , isn’t it? And what is he going to do there? Ruin so many people for his ‘treatment’? Bogdan: But he doesn’t know it, he doesn’t care. He doesn’t know it. (?) Anyway, I want to forget him. Shri Mataji: But it is very necessary for anybody who is responsible, that if you do not know something, then you just don’t do it! You must know about what you do. I mean, you just don’t jump into something that is so unknown; I mean, for anyone who feels responsible for his own life and responsible for everything. Isn’t it? You should do what you know, and what you do not know you should not do. I mean, going to that extent without knowing from where he’s getting his powers. Bogdan : He thinks it’s his higher self, his intuition. Shri Mataji: How does he know it is his self? Bodgan Shehovych: He doesn’t know. Shri Mataji: (? Kahata Kabira ananda bhaiyo bhai, bhaje ko anahata ??? As you grow , (?joy, to pulsate, first you established the truth, and then it comes to you as joy. Absolutely like this? Ha! Is it better? Haa! Huun! You can now feel it. Better? (End of tape 1 recording) Tape 2 - 1977-1103 Workshop Part 1 Finchley Ashram … a very good method of getting out of the situation. But now she has to face the reality, so she is refusing this way. Getting into trance is a very good idea, you see, so that you just don’t see the thing. What happened? Something came up? Yogi: No, I felt a ‘tsschh’! Shri Mataji: How are you? Better? Bogdan: Easier. But yesterday, this finger felt like somebody trod on it. (Mother laughs) Shri Mataji: You don’t know [that] it’s a very dangerous thing to catch that finger like that; but because you are a Sahaj Yogi, you don’t feel it. Very dangerous you know, this is the existence itself. On the left hand side this finger is the heart organ itself. The heart organ is left, this finger. Bogdan: So they are affecting the existence, my existence? Shri Mataji: Yes, attacking the existence! Bogdan: Yes. Shri Mataji: And now what you have to do: at that point, who exists there is Shiva and you have to ask for forgiveness from Him, because you’ve done a little mistake, you see. A few things you have done, a mistake. As you said that, “I gave a bandhan to this hand, and he jumped onto that.” But whatever mistakes, you see, there’s a beautiful couplet about Shiva, what’s it? Is, a beautiful one. Mrs. Sharda Devi: Mantra nahi chalega? Om namah Shivaya? Shri Mataji: Mantra nahi. No, no no: om namah Shivaya to thik hai but this shloka on Shiva is very good to show how He is – Karcharankritam. It’s a shloka, it says: Karcharankritam, vaak-kaayajam, karmajam vaa,करचरण कृतं वाक्कायजं कर्मजं वा ।Shravana nayanjam vaa, maansam Vaaparadham,श्रवणनयनजं वा मानसं वापराधं ।Vihitam Avihitam vaa, sarvam etat kshamasva,विहितमविहितं वा सर्वमेतत्क्षमस्व ।jay jay Karunaabdhe, Jay Mahadeva Shambhuजय जय करुणाब्धे जय महादेव शम्भो ॥ (Shloka translation: Whatever mistakes I have done with my hands, feet, voice or body, or any works,Whatever errors born out of my ears, or eyes, or mind, or any sins,By any prescribed or unprescribed actions,Please forgive all of these things,Victory to you the Ocean of Compassion, Shri Mahadev, Shambho) His name is Mahadeva. He’s called Mahadeva. And they call him Shambhu also. So what you say is that: karacharanakritam – by my hands, or by my feet, or by my tongue – vaak kayajam va; or by my karmas, if I have done any mistake please forgive me. And he says that – vhitam avihitam – if I have done correct or incorrect, any way incorrect, whatever I have done, by chance or by mistakes, please forgive me.If I have done anything by my mind – manasam va aparadham – you forgive me. ‘Jaya jaya’ means you sing the glory of Him, because You are the ocean of compassion – He’s known as Karunasagara, He’s known as the ocean of compassion, Karunabdhe, who? The Shiva. The Shiva aspect of God is karuna, and you ask for it. You have to hold your ears and ask for forgiveness, that, forgive me, if I have, by any mistakes, said anything, or done anything, You just forgive me. Now remove your [hands] from the other side now, you put like this. You remove and put like this, yes. It’s ok now. Because He’s in the heart, and we are always making mistakes. It is our ego which doesn’t make us ask for forgiveness. Because it is said that, “Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them, those who trespass against us.” So the first part is “forgive us our trespasses” is at the heart level, but when you come to the Agnya, then you say that, “As we forgive them, those that trespass against us.” then your Agnya is released. First of all you ask for forgiveness, and you then forgive here, so that both the chakras are relieved. See? Hold your ears, all of you. Start! Come along! Do it like this! First of all like this! Then go on like this; then again like this; then you put your hands like this. But with the feeling that you are asking for forgiveness. How it improves, just see: how it relaxes. Are you feeling better now? Seeker: I’m good.Shri Mataji: You too hold your ears. Ask for forgiveness from God, for that, all kinds of things, whatever you have done. Hold it like this! Hold this portion (the earlobe) like this, with this finger here; hold it, pull it down, yes. Now push it on the other side, and ask for forgiveness: forgive us! (Mother takes the mantra – “Aham sakshat Karunanidhi”, meaning “I am the Ocean of Compassion”)Karunanidhi…Aham sakshat Karunanidhi, Aham sakshat Karunanidhi, Aham sakshat Karunanidhi, Aham sakshat…Haaa! Alright? Seeker: Yes.Shri Mataji: Haaaaa! It’s good now. Now on the Agnya. On the Agnya it has come, see now. Everybody’s Kundalini is on the Agnya. Now, on the Agnya you [must] forgive others. Now will you forgive, for today? If you don’t forgive, all of us are going to catch the thing. You just say, “I forgive. Alright, I forgive.” Say like that, alright? You should all say. You should say in your hearts that, “We forgive everyone. Those who have tortured or troubled us, forgive.” Sharda, you too! Mrs. Sharda Devi: Yes Mata. Today I really was very upset. (?) Shri Mataji: Now you forget; forgive, forgive, forgive! Forgive, just forgive! That’s going to give you the Agnya.Ravi: Mai, aap bolte me ki mai us ko waise chod do (6.00 ???) Shri Mataji: Abhi chod do tum! Responsibility tumhari nahi! (Hindi: Now leave it! It’s not your responsibility!) Forgive! Responsibility tumhari nahi! Kya karne tha? (Hindi: What to do?) Ravi: Us ka tabiyat itna karab hai, usko phone ek bar karega. Shri Mataji: Abhi, wo apne karma … (??) Ravi: Ha ji, magar, kya me mere sath rehesetao, I mean, can I live with my conscience. Shri Mataji: Conscience is the point, you see. ???? anadhikar cheshta hai na tumhari. Anadhikar cheshta ho jayega. Abhi dekho, abhi ek admi hai…there’s a man, who’s trying to murder, supposing, him. And he comes and asks Me, “Mataji, have you seen Bogdan?” Now, this is anadhikar, unauthorized. I am not to tell him. That’s not my job. See that? You cannot correct him. Ravi: No, I can’tShri Mataji: Then forget it. Because that’s the only way you can save him. Otherwise, you’ll be harming yourself. You leave it to Me. Can’t you do that? That’s all, that’s all, you save yourself.Ravi: Because it becomes very difficult when he comes and says, “O mere beta” (Oh my son…) Shri Mataji: But, you leave it to Me. Decide on that. You have to react. There’s a very good story of Radha and Krishna, on this point [regarding] what is sin and what is not a sin, for Her. And punya is the opposite of sin, what should we sad? [in English]? What did you take out the word ‘punya’ Gavin? Sheila (from Harrow): Opposite of sin?Shri Mataji:Opposite of sin. Sheila (from Harrow): Virtue.Shri Mataji: No, but virtue, no, but the blessing that you get out of virtue.Yogis: GraceShri Mataji: But grace is like a force, isn’t it? But graces, you can say blessings.Mrs. Sharda Devi: But there’s no equivalent word.Shri Mataji: Equivalent is not there, alright, about, about the same – as if you accumulate that.Yogi: Merit.Mrs Sharda Devi: But you see, here ‘merit’ is not like, suppose a person comes first in the class you say ‘merit’. Shri Mataji: Spiritual, spiritual. You can say, ‘Spiritual merit’ : spiritual merits that you have achieved. Punyas, are spiritual merits that you have achieved, alright?Ravi: Because otherwise, merit seems to imply a sense of competition.Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Yes, yes. So this is the spiritual merit you can say, that you have achieved. Punyas, I will use the word ‘punya’ you see, so that I don’t have to use that.So, there was a thing: how to get punyas, you see. Like, this boy is in a conflict: what should he do about his father? What should you do about somebody like that? So I said, “Leave it to Me. Just forget about it. Right now, leave it to God. We’ll manage everything.” But now, when I say that this is so, then one may say that, “What about the punyas?” You see? What about the merit that you have to achieve in spiritual life – whatever happens to that? There’s a very nice story about Radha and Krishna, is a very nice one, it’s symbolic. When Krishna went away to Dwarika as a king, Radha stayed back with gopis and gopas, her followers and, She stayed there. She didn’t go with Him, She stayed down. And Krishna, being a politician – so, you see, He’s the Divine politician – and He had to do lots of things by which He had to move in a way that would give sort of protection to many women who were arrested by one horrible king. And these women He liberated from that prison. And when He brought them , everybody started saying to these women that, “You are not married to Him, and He’s using you just for His purpose.” You see, in those days also there were horrible people. So He then said to them, “Alright, you are all married to me, I am your husband.” You see, He is a God. You should understand that, when He says that, it’s a very different thing because He doesn’t commit any sin. He being God, He doesn’t commit any sin. He doesn’t touch them, nothing. But for the sake that, after all, relationship is that He’s the God; and that He is the one who has married them, so that nobody can say about these women that, “How is it that you are staying with that man, and how is it that He’s not using you? How is it possible? Under what relationship you are together?” So, at that time, once, it so happened, He had also another five wives. The first one was Rukmini. And these are all, actually, the five elements [which] are described. Five elements, are symbolic. And these sixteen thousand women are the nadis, are the centres, the nerve centres from the Vishuddhi Chakra. Because He has sixteen [sub-]chakras, you see; so sixteen-thousand: there are sixteen into thousand of the Sahasrara – sixteen-thousand nadis. It’s the symbolic style, which you should understand. So you see, one day what happened, this Narada, who is the one who creates problems from here to hell, he comes and tells these women that, “You see, He doesn’t love you. He really only loves Radha, and that is His wife, and She is everything to Him and that is Her power. You all are good for nothing! He doesn’t care for you, it is She only He cares for!” So they said, “How do you know this?” He said, “You go and ask Him.” So they came and asked Him, “Do you really love us, or you love Her only? You do not love us fully, You only love Her.” And like that, you see, they were saying. So He said, “Oh God! I have got a terrible pain in my stomach now!” He was a diplomat, He used to play diplomacy. “It’s a very bad pain in the stomach and I don’t know how to get cured.” So they said, “Is there no cure?” He said, “There is a cure: one cure is that you take out the dust of your feet and put on my head, then I’ll be alright.” “That’s too much…” (break in recording) “…because you are trying to take out our punyas!” Because if you take out [from] our feet, I mean, you are not even supposed to put your feet towards Him, “and here you want to take out the dust and put on Your head? This is very nice! Not [only] that you don’t love us, but also you want to take out our punyas and that’s why you are doing these things, and we are not going to give you the dust of our feet.” So He was very, very naughty I should say, but the pain would not go! So He said, “Now from where to get the dust of their feet?” So He went to His disciples and bhaktas as they call it [and] they said, “No, how can we do that?” “But He said He wants it, so what’s the harm in giving?” They said, “No, no, we can’t do that. We can’t give away our punyas. How can we lose our merits? How can we?” So, then He said, “You’d better go to Radha and ask.” So Narada went to Radha; She was in Vrindavan, far away. He went there, and he said that - you see, … it’s all attention moving, you see, it’s all attention. Narada is also a character that creates problems out of everything: within ourselves, this is all yourself I am describing, within yourself. So he went to Radha, and he said, “Radha, there’s a problem.” She said, “What is it?” He said, “Krishna is very sick.” She said, “Why? What’s the matter with Him? Why should He be sick? I hope He’s not making fun of you or something?” He said, “No, He’s very sick, and He’s go stomach pain.” She said, “What stomach pain? Then what’s the solution, He said?” He said, “You must bring the dust of the feet of my disciples or anyone like that, or my wife. If you bring that, then only I will have to put it on my head, or I will eat it. Otherwise, I will not be alright.” She sat down, She said, “Take my dust from my feet.” He said, “What!? Are you not afraid your punyas will be lost?” She said, “No, not at all! You’d better take immediately and take it and give it to Him!” So when he took the dust to Her, you see the Vrindavan soil is absolutely yellowish, like the saffron colour, you see, it’s a very yellowish kind of a soil. So Krishna saw that, and He ate part of it. So Narada said, “Are you alright?” He said, “Yes, I’m alright.” Still Narada was wondering, he said, “But one thing I could not understand, this Radha has no wisdom. She doesn’t bother about Her punyas!” He said, “You better go and ask Her why didn’t She bother about Her punyas? Why did she do that?” So He said, “Alright.” He took that dust in His hand, He said, “Alright, smell the dust.” You can ask Her by smelling the dust. So, the fragrance of lotus, a beautiful lotus, he felt; in the lotus was sitting Radha and lotus was in the heart of Shri Krishna. So he asked Radha, “How is it? Why did you allow your punyas to be taken?” So She said, “See, my feet are in the heart on the lotus. Where He is, He’s kept me in the lotus of His heart. I’m touching Him with my feet everything, now how am I to do punyas and papas? How can I do sin and punyas. I mean, you just see now: He is the One who makes me do all these things, He’s the One who carries, so why should I worry? He’s doing everything! Why should I worry?” And that is what it is. You see, it’s a myth that, “This is my duty, this is my…” – is a myth. Alright? Ravi: No, but the way I looked at it was that the only thing that’s going to dissuade him from ????Shri Mataji: The best duty you can do is to bring him down in a way, that you bring him to my notice, that’s the best way, to my attention, that’s all. Because now, your ego and superego is going down, you are no more yourself, so how do you have a father like that? You are not responsible [for him]. Bring him to my notice, I work it out. Alright? … Ha!! I want to make you strong enough that you can face many more like him later on. First of all straighten yourself. You see, you and (?name) have to teach her two children to come up, isn’t it? (?...) This is for you Bogdan, for both of you.Bogdan: For everyone?Shri Mataji: Yes.Bogdan: I don’t know, there’s ten there. There’s ten.Shri Mataji: You have five for yourself, five for your wife. She needs much more than you need, take it from me, because she’s combining with them, that’s why. She’s acting according to what they have said, so it’s more dangerous. Because you are going against it, that’s why you are feeling it. Better?Seeker: Alright.Shri Mataji: Alright, you get up. (? name) for him, this one is for him. Yes, you will feel much better tomorrow. Tell him what is to be done.Seeker: Thank you.Shri Mataji: , Now what else? Who else is there? Come along! Come here! Sit down, sit down! Take him that side. Michael, let him sit down! Put your right hand on the (?ground).Better? How is it? Bring water for him, let him sit down for a while. Now, what’s her name?Bogdan: Sheila.Shri Mataji: Sheila, now God has been very kind to you, you have to master the Kundalini, and you have to learn everything, alright? Maureen, Pat, all of them know all about it. So, you must learn it. Where do you live?Sheila: Harrow.Shri Mataji: I know Harrow.Yogi: It’s in the North West (of London).Sheila: But Mataji, I might not be clean inside.Yogi: She said she may not be pure. She said she may not be pure.Shri Mataji: So you have to learn methods of cleaning yourself, alright? (talking to Mrs. Devi) Right side Vishuddhi problem…Haaaa! Ha! Krishna ka koi aata ki nahi? Shloka ka ek Krishna ka? Krishna ka vandan (वन्दना: praise). (Hindi: Have you any Krishna shloka or praise?) Harmonium me.Mrs Sharda Devi: Harmonium me? (Hindi: On harmonium) Shri Mataji: Because you know. If you want to go to the false gurus, if you do not, there won’t be the weakness. That Mandy, I’m worried about her much more than I’m worried about you [Bogdan].Bogdan: She doesn’t seem to be able to be accepting what’s happened, you know. I keep telling her that You are offering a jewel, moksha, you know, this is what You are doing, and it’s still not getting through.Shri Mataji: She’s absolutely [the] blasted type! You know, what has happened is that, whatever were in you, went into her, blasted her brain completely; sort of her brain doesn’t think. Do you understand?Bogdan: Yes.Shri Mataji: It doesn’t go, I mean, the intelligence part is missing, now there. Nothing goes into the brain!Bogdan: She has being in thoughtless awareness this morning, but I don’t know. She was in thoughtless awareness.Shri Mataji: In the morning?Bogdan: …after we got up from sleep. We started talking because I’ve written to her parents that I want to marry her, You see, and her sister just came in to say that, she’s a bit worried about what’s happening, and she listens to her sister.Shri Mataji: Sister is good!Bogdan: But she doesn’t want to know anything of this, she’s not interested.Shri Mataji: Is it?Bogdan: No, her sister doesn’t want to know.Shri Mataji: She might also have a badha in her, God knows.Bogdan: It’s possible. You know, everyone is taking drugs there, so God knows what happens in the subconscious.Shri Mataji: You should see her. Did she get Realisation?Bogdan: She wouldn’t take her shoes off.Shri Mataji: Just imagine! Ha. Here they will give five-hundred pounds to someone and they won’t even take out shoes! Just imagine, how much liberties they take with Me! Isn’t it? You said she was a good girl and something.Bogdan: Yeah, very loving family. I mean, she’s never been interested in religion or finding this. It hasn’t been her way to do this.Shri Mataji: Then such people cannot. I mean, if you are not knocking at the door, God is not going to fall at your feet that, “Knock at my Door!” You have to ask for it.Bogdan: Can you keep limes and lemons for more than seven days, I mean, has it got to be exactly seven days or more than seven days?Shri Mataji: No, better after seven days throw away, then we’ll have another set.Bogdan: Because I can’t remember whether I’ve had them for six nights or seven nights. (laughter)Mrs Sharda Devi: You can make a note in your diary or something.Shri Mataji: No, it’s alright. It doesn’t matter. Koi farak nahi (कोई फर्क नहीं : doesn’t matter). Better thing is to have them for about six, seven days: makes no difference. Mrs. Sharda Devi: This is a Krishna sloka describing him from Bhagavat.Shri Mataji: From?Mrs. Sharda Devi: Bhagavat. Shri Mataji: Eh?Sharda Devi: Bhagavat.Shri Mataji: Ha. (Mrs. Sharda Devi starts the Krishna sloka as requested by Shri Mataji) Shri Mataji: Wa, ha! Awaz kaise liye tumhara! (Hindi: What a voice you have!)Wa, wa. (27.15 ) Sara Vishuddhi kati atowka. Everybody’s Vishuddhi opened out?Yogi: It’s come up here.Shri Mataji: Agnya?See how it’s opening out! Ha! (Sharda Devi starts another song, “Ganga Jamuna nirmala pani”) Shri Mataji: Good, the Vishuddhi? Everybody is good? It’s saying that let’s go to the River Ganges and the Yamuna. Let us go because the water of the river is so pure that let this mind be taken there, where it can clean. Sing something of Subramaniam! (possibly because of the T.M. people in attendance, as Shri Kartikeya is the destroyer of Narakasura) (Sharda Devi sings a song of Shri Subramaniam) Shri Mataji: Now, if you say Lord’s Prayer thrice, the Agnya will be cleared out. (Yogis say Lord’s prayer three times as per Shri Mataji’s instructions) We can have that Sabko Dua Dena, so if you come here. That day you sang together. All of us can say that, then we can have…Sabko dua dena should we have? Come along!Hmm. Very good now. Everybody’s opened up very much, isn’t it?Put the aarti of Ganesha first, then we can do that. I think Sharda, [if] you translate to them, would be better.Sharda Devi: Yes.Shri Mataji: If you just tell them clearly. (Sharda Devi translates the aarti) For the sake of relieving all the sufferings of humanity you have taken birth so many times, come on this earth in different capacities...“Vishva me teri mahima” The whole universe knows about your greatness. (Mother laughs)“Tu hai Ganga Jamuna” You are Ganga and Jamuna. Actually here they are saying, Ganga, Jamuna, means all the oceans, everything, all creations, She Herself is embodied in everything. Then “Jo bhi sharan me aya, sukh hi mila usko” Anyone who came (surrendered) to Your Feet they only saw happiness and joy. “Baitha ka dil me o Ma, laut ke na jana” So, You have sat in my heart, so You are not going to leave us and You cannot go. (Now that You have sat in our hearts, Mother, do not ever go away) “Man me avatara ke, kar diya ujjiyala” You have brought light to darkness (by incarnating amongst us) So You have lit the whole universe. “Kaliyuga me maya hai, phir bhi pehchana ma” In spite of the confusion of this world we have been able to recognise You “Santa jano ki dharati, hai bharata mata”“Is dharati par aake, dukha se dura karana” All the sorrows that You have come on this earth in India; You are relieving all the sorrows and sufferings.“Jab dil me aye tab, madhu sangeet suna lo” Shri Mataji: Whenever you feel like, you can listen to my sweet music.“Hoya sake jo seva, ham se kara lena” Sharda Devi: Now you understand? Shri Mataji: Just come in now.Sharda Devi: Chalo, let’s start now! Shri Mataji: How are you? Everybody is cleared. Still quite a lot?Hello! How are you? May God bless you. One minute, let Me put him right, then you do it (aarti). (Mother seems to be working on someone who has just arrived or giving them bandhan before the aarti)How are you? Yogini: …but it was a serial pain and it was so strong that I couldn’t take it anymore, and then I woke up, and it was very, very interesting. And it was so that I couldn’t take it anymore – Vishuddhi, something came out. Shri Mataji: Better now. That’s the place. Your mantra was ‘ram’ mantra, isn’t it? He had given you a ‘ram’ mantra? Which one? Yogini: Shriram. Shri Mataji: Ha, Shriram. That’s on the heart. But the fellow (possession) has left you now. Just imagine! ‘Shri Ram’ name. ‘Shri’ lagake! Himmat dekho un logon kya! See, they give the name to the devil ‘Ram’ but even ‘Shriram’ they give! It’s very much daring on his part. And then, what do you think – should I forgive such people?Australian Yogi: All this trouble from one bear-hug!Shri Mataji: Never go near these spiritual people, you see, that’s what I was saying. And the first day he was arguing a little bit for him.Australian Yogi: I’m sure he’s learnt his lesson now, though! Shri Mataji: (Shri Mataji is laughing)You, yourself, will realise how terrible these people are, gradually. Now many are cured [so] if one person comes from the Transcendental one you will immediately know – terrible! Now he came from Transcendental: everybody was [feeling] so heavy with his catches! (Shri Mataji is laughing) Now you will realise how terrible things have happened to you. Hello! How have you been? Seeker: Fine.Shri Mataji: Oh, that’s good, good; that’s very good, excellent! Thank God! Bogdan: ... Mandy’s period pain, you know she stopped contraception about four months ago, and she had problems here when You put Your Feet on, You put Your this part, she’s normal now. Shri Mataji: Normal now. But she has got something in her mind now, you know! Bogdan: Well, yes. That’s more important, I guess. Shri Mataji: Her intelligence is completely blasted! She doesn’t understand anything! You don’t catch from her! Give her a bandhan and ask her to beat herself as you beat yourself, every day. You tell her that, “You have to be alright!” And keep away from the sister for the time being, maybe she is also possessed as well.Bogdan: It’s hard because we live in the same house. Shri Mataji: But you are not practising anything now? Bogdan: I was never practising. Shri Mataji: You did your medicine? Bogdan: Oh, You mean as a professional? Shri Mataji: Ha. Bogdan: No, not anymore. You know, I was thinking about taking it up, but I’d like to know more about this full time. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. That’s the best. That way it’s good you are not practising, otherwise it would have been that you weren’t a seeker. You see, that means you are more malleable, isn’t it? Bogdan: There’s always a chance of catching things from patients, I guess. Shri Mataji: I’m sorry? Yogi: He said, “There’s always a chance of catching things from patients.” Shri Mataji: Very much! And ego, ego is the main part, you know. If you become a regular doctor, you become very egoistical – very badly egoistical. Aaaah! Here she comes! Before the thing, we needed her very much, isn’t it? Come along! How are you? Yogi: I’m well, thank You! Shri Mataji: Oh, good! Now all of you have to master this. Cleanse yourselves, as you said; yes, you have to cleanse yourselves. And how to cleanse it you know: to sit before the photograph, put your hands towards the photograph; if you don’t get proper breeze then put your feet in the water, give yourself bandhan; put your mind on the watch: see how it works. If there are waves of negativity coming into you: sometimes bad thoughts, desires, all kind of things come in; so, put another anti-waves on that, and say that, “Not this. Not this.” And you should say that, “I’m so fortunate that I have got this. Now I’m going to retain it, and I’m going to go higher and higher. I’m not going to lose it anymore now. I’ve been searching it and searching it all my lives, so you, my mind, please keep quiet now! You have never helped me. You took me to wrong directions and wrong things. And now I have come to the right place, now you don’t try to divert my attention!” And it’s a horse: if you master it, he knows where you have to go. You see, the horse also sees whether you want to eat grass or what you want to do. If you don’t want to be careful about it, then it goes all over. That’s how you steady your mind and tell your mind that, “I’m going to go deep into it.” You are going to work it out. And if you work out even for a month in the right earnestness, you’ll settle down in a very proper place. And then you have to give it to others, you have to save others, because you must know how serious it is. These are seekers who have taken birth many a times before, have been seeking, but this is the end of it, and you are going to be reborn. And you are going to stand by it. If you just take it like a, “Oh, just this for me, it’s very good. I’m feeling nice,” then you have not done any justice to yourself or to others! You shouldn’t take it for granted! You have to give it to others. If you do not give it to others, you cannot go deep down. You have to hollow yourself. The hollowness comes by giving. The more you give, the more it flows. You see, we have so many in Bombay, even in London we have. At least fifty people, maybe more, who have got Realisation, even when I was not having a programme. But they just do not go further with it, then they catch, then this thing happens, then this has happened, that has happened – what’s the use? You have to establish yourself. After establishment, you must give, after all, why did you get it? For a purpose, and the purpose is to give, and save others. There are thousands and thousands of people who are in a terrible mess, in a terrible mess, and they are going to be destroyed. And you will be held responsible for their destruction because you are the pillars, and you have to look after them: like the pillars of a bridge, so you have to stand up. It’s not a thing just you take it, “Oh, what’s it? After all, I have got it, I am happy! This is that.” Not that way. And your doubtless awareness will also…. (break in recording) …most surprising thing is, you see, when you go to a guru he makes you stand on your heads or do this and that, makes you pay money and do all kinds of things to him. Here I work hard on you, and it’s I put in all the effort. Then, what you should do? Is to give Me what? Is to give Me My children back, those who are lost; look after them, be kind to them. As you are, they are also seekers. Do not neglect them, and do not run away from them. In the beginning you’ll be [a] little frightened: you wouldn’t like to do much about them, but don’t be afraid. One thing Bogdan, I’ll tell you, your friend is not a seeker. Bogdan: No? Shri Mataji: No. Bogdan: He’s not my friend anymore. Shri Mataji: Good. Bogdan: I had a dream last night where I was somewhere up there, and I was sitting here, and I said, “Don’t touch me! I don’t want to have anything to do with you!” Shri Mataji: Hmm? Bogdan: I had a dream and I don’t know where I was, but I was sitting there at the table with many other people and him, and he was sitting next to me and I just said, “I don’t want you to touch me and I don’t want you to sit near me. Then he touched me on the foot….and then I think I was with You, I was like a small child, and I was looking up at You, and I was sitting to the left of You, smiling. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Bogdan: In the continuation of the dream, I was a small child looking up to You, and You were talking to me and smiling. Shri Mataji: Oh. What’s his name? Bogdan: Taras. Shri Mataji: Taurus? T-a-u-r-u-s? Bogdan: No, T-a-r-a-s. Shri Mataji: T-a-r-a-s. Bogdan: That’s his first name. Shri Mataji: What’s the surname? Bogdan: Chertan Shri Mataji: Chertan? Cherban? (Sounds like Mother, or someone, is shoe beating him.) Ha! Chertana shadit ?? These spiritualists are sitting in every third house in London! Anywhere you go there is a spiritualist sitting, they are doing planchas, they are doing spiritual curing, they are doing pentecostals, all sorts of nonsense going on in the name of Christ! You have to awaken to it. It’s a very dangerous thing that’s going on. It’s a big war between the satanic and The Divine, and you have to rise. Mediocres are of no use, no! You have to come up. Sheila: But Mataji, what do you do if you are living in the same house as somebody who has got positively evil vibrations, and you can’t leave? Shri Mataji: You put a bandhan to him. They will teach you how to do it. Bandhan, you put a bandhan. What is the relationship? Sheila: He’s my husband. (laughter) It’s as bad as that. Shri Mataji: Take some kumkum and sprinkle it. There are so many things they can do. Alright? But don’t pay attention much to him, then he will be better. Sheila: I don’t. Shri Mataji: Good. What does he drink a lot? Sheila: No, but he’s ?? in all kind of ways. He’s really messed up. Shri Mataji: Then why don’t you bring limes for him. Sheila: Well, I didn’t know I’ve got to. Shri Mataji: Oh, I’ll give you one, today, out of these limes. Can you bring Me a lime? You take a lime today and place under his pillow, can you? Sheila: Yes, I can, but he might find it. Shri Mataji: He may find it? Sheila: What about under the mattress? Shri Mataji: That’s better. Sheila: Otherwise, he’ll think I’m doing witchcraft on him! Yogi: You are! Sheila: Oh, you, stop it! Shri Mataji: You see, it’s a witchcraft in the sense that you make all the witches your slaves and ask them to get out of there! Horrible! You should not go near them! Why should we bother about these dead spirits? Hah, is it alright? Bogdan: Sometimes, you know, feeling the left heart. Shri Mataji: Not now. Then? Bogdan: What happened yesterday was quite a drama. Shri Mataji: Oh? Bogdan: Yesterday night, I thought, “Oh no! Please go away!” Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Anything you tell me, all these things, I smile and laugh, you know, but actually that’s the only way you can get over these things: I mean, it’s nice that you do not see the seriousness of it: terrible those! Terrible things. How many of them are?? in these groups? You are better now? You are better I.V.? Is he better? Yogi: Yes, he’s better. Bogdan: It is certainly better than when I came in. Shri Mataji: Yes, put your hand there, wherever it is. Yogi: It’s much better now. Lady: Is it not always building up again the negative vibrations? Is it not always coming again? Shri Mataji: Yes, they do. Because it’s like this, you can say: an aeroplane which is not fully alright, it doesn’t fly very high up. It goes up, comes down, goes up. So we have to repair you completely, alright? So it comes down. But you will avoid all that. Anything coming like that, all these sorts of [things, you should say], “Get away! We don’t want this, we have had enough of this!” They’ll go away. Alright? You have to say positively, “We don’t want any.” Lady: Will it be alright then, one day, steadily? Shri Mataji: Not so much, but to some extent it does go down sometimes. But when you know how to protect yourself, and when you know how to meditate, you always rise higher and higher. And sometimes you are surprised, the way you are matured – the things are. How are you, David now? Alright? Good! Now you are not afraid of them so much. David: No, very catchy today, but I didn’t bother, you know. Shri Mataji: Good! I am very happy. And they went away? Then they didn’t bother you much? David: Well, they went away when I left the place, but when I came down the road I felt everybody had got much better. Shri Mataji: How was your trouble? Your hands and things, are they better? David: Well, I think I’ll have to stop working in the things... Shri Mataji: Actually, it’s like a reaction on. There’s like a blistering, as you get: if you put your hands on some people, you may get a little bit of a blister. In the same way, it is. That’s not a place for you at all. David: No, I don’t think so. Shri Mataji: You’ll go mad! Just don’t do anything there. Better get out! Imagine to put you there of all the things! Just look at their brains. Now this boy has suffered mentally, everything, and they put him with whom? Is the incurables! Yogi: No, he went there himself. Shri Mataji: You went yourself? David: I went myself, yes, but they interviewed me. Shri Mataji: They should have told you not to go there. They are creating more incurables then, if they do like this. You see, a person who is mentally sick should be taken to a place…what’s that? Yogi: It’s a present from David. Shri Mataji: Present my!? David: Oh, just something simple. Shri Mataji: What’s that? Shouldn’t buy presents for Me! David: I didn’t buy it. Shri Mataji: You didn’t buy, alright. I tell you what, I have to give lots of presents to you. When I have finished with my presents, then you start giving Me. (Mother opens the present) Is it a perfume? David: Oh, you weren’t meant to open it in front of everyone, it’s only water. Shri Mataji: Good, very beautiful. It’s beautiful! I love it. It is perfumed already. If you want, you can see. (Laughter) That’s why I opened it. Alright? If you want to see the perfume, you can have a look. (Laughter) Beautiful perfume. And it will take away all your badhas. See, after all, how the perfume is created in this world, do you know that? Perfume is the essence of Mother Earth, and what is that, is the love. Anything you give Me with love will have perfume. And anybody who thinks about Me, then, he will be perfumed, and the perfume will show that I am with you. Alright? (1:13) Tape 3 - 1977-11-03 Workshop Part 3 cut Finchley Ashram, 67' Lady: Now what is the (?karma) that allow these people which gives so much disturbance to the human beings, they must be very bad. Shri Mataji: Satan! You see, as the God has to give you love and joy and happiness, they have to give you all the unhappiness. They are sadists. They enjoy that. If you can understand a sadist of the cruellest way, they are that. Lady: But how could that appear in the Creation. Shri Mataji: That’s the problem. What happens is that, at a certain stage, human beings are given a freedom. At this evolutionary stage of human beings that they choose bad. You see, this is the main point. Lady: Yeah, but how to make the rights in the world then? Shri Mataji: And because you are free to choose between the two. Lady: No, but if you say ‘Satanic powers’ then they must get their powers… Shri Mataji: They are not powers, I don’t call them powers. They are not powers. They should not be called as powers. Lady: But how can they exist in a perfect Creation. Shri Mataji: They can! You see, the thing is, I tell you: if you see in a car, there’s a brake and an accelerator, alright? So the brake has to work also. You go to a point of indiscrimination, then you have to be thrown out; there should be some way of expulsion. Actually, it’s the excretion of the Virat. And there has to be excretion. The whole thing has to be seen at this stage: where are they these people, where are you people. There are devatas on the right-hand side, there are ganas on the left-hand side. I am making you sit here, and now it is for you people to put the balance. Oh, God! How can I eat so much! Marie: What You don’t eat, you can give to other people as Prasad. Shri Mataji: I think you [should] give Bogdan to read Gregoire’s book so that… ?? thinks he’s more powerful than Gregoire’s is. So he also sees these things coming. If all the time eating them, I must say. This is such a lot. How can I eat? They are not eating at all! All of you can go and eat. Yogi: There’s a big crowd of them, there’s no room there. Shri Mataji: Now how are you? Feeling better? Yogi: Erm, I still have tensions. Shri Mataji: Too much? Yogi: A lot. Yogini: Actually Mataji I have to go soon. Shri Mataji: Get her something to eat. What will you have? What should I give you? Alright. Yogini: Thank you. Vince Lindsay: Mataji, there are so many teachers, You know, swamis, sages etcetera, etcetera, how are we to know who are good and who are bad? Shri Mataji: You have to use your brains all the time. For example, it’s very easy to flout Mahesh Yogi. You should ask him, and he must tell you, how does he do, what is the system behind it; by taking the name, how it works out; how can it be. Better ask him. It’s not written in the books at all that by taking somebody’s name you become trance. He doesn’t talk of God, he doesn’t talk of Christ. How does he relate himself to Christ? After all, it was not created to be a waste. Are they all wasted? Mohammed Sahib, Christ is wasted? Everybody wasted? Only this Mahesh yogi is the only person? Use your brains. Vince Lindsay: You see it’s only in the later writings of Mahesh yogi that he’s not mentioned God because his system is orientated towards businessmen etc. But in the early days he did speak of God. Shri Mataji: You see, actually they come out in their true spirits. You should say, “You are inconsistent! How you started with God and how you finished it off.” Because h whatever I said the first day, I must say today also. Use your brains! How can you change? “In the beginning you used it as a camouflage, how can you give up God now?” Vince Lindsay: … he explains, You see, I’m sorry I persist, but I still have the ?? from Maharishi, you see, although I’m here through Raj. But, the way it is explained now is because not enough people were coming to meditation because they are not attracted to the spiritual thing, You know, the spiritual side of it. But the way he has explained it is that the end is justified by the means. So if it means that more people would come to meditation and perhaps spiritual understanding without the mention of [God]. Shri Mataji: But this is great for him to say all this! He’s handling thousands of people! He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. How can you depend on a man like that? A captain: the ship doesn’t know, perhaps the ship may go this way or that way! You see, if you listen to him, it’s so insulting. You can find him out, in no time you can find them out, very easy. Vince Lindsay: The thing is you never get the chance to talk to him. Shri Mataji: This is maintained! He never talks to anyone. Vince Lindsay: Only his teachers. Shri Mataji: You know, I asked somebody who is a very close relation of ours and a very big man. I asked him, “Do you talk to him?” He said, “No! Whenever I talk to him, I am drunk.” Nanaka said you should not drink. Everybody said you should not drink. Even Christ in a way. Moses was told not to drink. Everywhere it is known that it goes against awareness. Then how is it [when] he calls himself ‘Transcendental Consciousness’ and how can it be ‘consciousness’ which goes against it. Every one of his disciples can drink, can do what they like, they can have three girlfriends or ten girlfriends, makes no difference: that means whole of Bible is wrong, Koran is wrong, Gita is wrong, all shastras are wrong? Is only … Vince Lindsay: He has done a translation of the first six chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. Shri Mataji: And what is so difficult [in that] ? Vince Lindsay: Oh, no, I’m not saying it is difficult. Shri Mataji: No, but what I’m saying [is that] that’s what they did. In the beginning even Rajneesh started talking about God, you will be amazed. In the beginning they wrote. How do you make out a thief? When he comes out in his two colours! Not when he is camouflaged. They have to camouflage. Now, if I’m saying today something, and after ten years if I say something else, you must understand. There’s something wrong, this is inconsistent. Vince Lindsay: Yes. Shri Mataji: And a person who’s supposed to be the spiritual leader at least should not be inconsistent, minimum of minimum. Then his own personal life: so much interested in money! How can a person? (?Can he? That took), away other people’s money! It’s a big organisation: he’s got some of the big bureaucrats from India employed by him. Mrs Devi: One of my relatives also, he’s one of America’s greatest scientists, my niece’s husband – he’s running around him. Shri Mataji: And K.B. Lall! Of all the persons, I cannot imagine a man like him. He’s such a brilliant man, he’s all been befooled by him. And I asked him what did you talk to him? And he said, “No, whenever I talk to him, I’m drunk.” He drinks a lot himself now he’s started drinking so much this man, and also he’s become so hot-tempered , ask him. Mrs. Sharda Devi: I’ll show you my ?? letter, which a very well known lady in Belgium has written. I’m so glad he’s left our country. Shri Mataji: He was a very nice, sweet tempered person. Seeker: You see, myself, all I got was good from it when I was doing it. When I was doing T.M. I had good experiences, I felt very good. Shri Mataji: Felt very good? The reason, I’ll tell you, why he felt good. That is true, you feel good in a way. In a way, you do. That’s the camouflage. What happens [is] a spirit comes into you. It’s like you see, if somebody gets drunk, he will say, “I felt very good with the drink.” It’s something like that. You see, somebody else takes over from you, you are not yourself, so you feel nice. To be yourself, without Realisation, is a difficult situation. Seeker: When can we know that we do not have a spirit in us? Shri Mataji: You will know, now, see. If you had a spirit, you would see yourself, separated. Start seeing the spirit separated, absolutely. You will see, and now you will know how to face that. That’s what it is. You will not only know that, but you will know all obstructions within you and you will cleanse also. This is Self-realisation: k It’s to know yourself absolutely: where is the spirit which is come into us. Gavin: I was trying to reason that answer out: the first thing is that you can feel your own chakras and your own centres, and you can tell whether you are alright or not, that’s the first thing. Shri Mataji: First thing. Gavin: The second thing is that you get collective consciousness. In other words, you can feel what other people’s chakras are like. And once it starts that you can really recognise that this is fact, that you are feeling their chakras, and you can tell that this is their Agnya that is blocked, and it ties up because they’ve been to T.M. or it ties up because they wear glasses, or it ties up because they don’t forgive their parents for having a fight, then you know that you’ve got collective consciousness. Shri Mataji: The proof is there! Of course, absolutely. Absolutely. Gavin: The first thing is that you can feel your own chakras. Shri Mataji: The first thing for a child also! Anybody! Now you are feeling your own chakras, you see for yourself: now feel which finger is burning. Seeker: Burning? Shri Mataji: Ha, burning. Are you getting cool breeze? Seeker: Slight. Shri Mataji: But there’s an obstruction that you are feeling on one finger or two fingers? Seeker: It’s feeling here. Shri Mataji: Absolutely! That is Mahesh Yogi! Left Agnya, the left-hand side and the superego. Yogi: Heart. Seeker: And what does that mean? Shri Mataji: Heart. This is heart: heart organ itself. What is the mantra he gave? What mantra he gave you? Seeker: I’m not really supposed to reveal it. I’m not really supposed to speak it out. Yogi: He says he’s not supposed to speak it out. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, you tell Me. Better tell Me that mantra. Seeker: Umbium. Shri Mataji: Umbium? Mrs Devi: Somebody else also had the same mantra. Shri Mataji: Umbium, yes, he gives it. That’s the name of a devil. Umbium is a mantra…is the left-hand side, on the heart. Left, left side, that’s why you are catching on the left. Seeker: Was it given to help that? Was the mantra given to help that? Shri Mataji: Now supposing he gives you a real mantra of Rama, alright? Take it like that. He’s a devil, and he’s not supposed to do all that. Alright, first of all you’ll bend your head before him and take the mantra, accept it, now you start using that, without authority. Without authority, if you try to meet someone who is so high as that, even queen, you cannot meet her. And if you enter into it, you will be caught, police will catch hold of him and put you in the jail. It’s that same sort of a thing it is. You just go on taking Rama’s name, first you see there’s a little temper, there’s something they show temper, they try to correct you, they try to improve you, everything, but still you don’t listen, so they disappear completely, sleeps off, Rama sleeps off, on the right-hand side – immediately. He will also tell you some ways by which you spoil it even more. Say, He will say - if you are rude to your father, something, and you go and tell him, “I’m rude to my father,” he will say, “It’s alright. Forget about it. Don’t you worry.” It’s like that. So it will be all more spoilt. Now he asks you to take the name of Ram, then there’s a devil by that name [so] he comes and sits there. He has got regular armies of people like that! ‘Umbium’ and all these things are names given to certain lieutenants of his, and he has got some armies with him. Seeker: But how can a sound like ‘Om’ be used for any kind of harm? ‘Om’, how can that be used against someone? Shri Mataji: Because it is a name of someone. You see, it is a name. Now supposing you sit down here and take the name of “Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram” – He’s not your servant to come! He’s not at your beck and call! You see? He will not come. You have to enter into His awareness, you have to come into His awareness, you have to rise much higher to be in His presence, isn’t it? How can you just go on calling His name like that? And what happens is that somebody by the name, servant by the name of Ram, only can come. And this servant is arranged by Mr. Mahesh Yogi, and he comes in and settles down there, and he controls you. And when he controls you, you feel nice and happy because somebody else is doing the job, and you give up all your money, everything, whatever you have. Vince Lindsay: It still creates a problem for me Mataji because even a puja, no matter whose puja , You know, even Your puja, how would I know that was not going to harm me? Of course to you, it isn’t, but having been told that somebody else’s puja or somebody else’s mantra would have harmed me, how am I to know? Shri Mataji: Yes. Without Realisation, you should not recite any mantra, because you don’t know [that a] mantra is not a stationary stuff. Just now, your Kundalini is stuck up on the heart, alright? His was like this: it was stuck up on the heart, then we raised it; so we had to take the mantra of the heart. Only Realised people can, not unrealised. Then we removed it [the catch]; then it came up to the Vishuddhi, then we had to take the name of Krishna. Then it moved onto the Agnya, we had to take the name of Jesus. Then it comes up here, then we have to take the name of Kalki or Mataji, then it comes out. You see, you have to take all these names. Have you had [dinner]? Lady: Yes, thankyou, thankyou, thank you very much; thank you very much! Shri Mataji: May God bless you! Now you all go down and have something! You see, that is the thing. So this is the thing: if you raise your Kundalini, then from her movement you must know how to - which chakra is needed. It’s a big science, it’s a big science, you cannot just cure chakra like that. In the olden days, (?) master of Kundalini I can move your Kundalini like that, in five minutes it comes up, in a second it can come up, but in olden days they used to raise Kundalini step by step, you see. Supposing somebody’s Kundalini had stuck up at the Nabhi Chakra; so they would give him a mantra of Lakshmi Narayan or someone like that. So they used to give a mantra, so [the] guru used to tell the mantra that, “You do this, and it will be alright.” All over. But not now. Now you are going to get your mantra , every moment changes, moment to moment. Now the Kundalini has to rise! Vince Lindsay: Yes. Lady: But Mataji, where actually Kundalini is situated mainly? Shri Mataji: In the triangular bone, in the coccyx. Lady: Yeah, but is she going up and down all the time totally or is she sometimes… Shri Mataji: No, when She’s awakened She comes up and goes down, and comes up again; but not the whole of it comes up. You see, She’s made of many threads and these threads come up but to have a Realisation you have to have many threads; a certain amount of threads has to be there. If they are added up, they open it out. But then again it settles down, goes back. You see, for example a person who is coming from some of these gurus always you find, in the beginning you find [that] the Kundalini falls down; again you have to raise it, tie it up. Because of the chakras being spoiled by them. That’s how they make chakras you see [damaged] like that. Lady: Yeah, but when the Self-realisation is [at] the full stage is it then not permanently… Shri Mataji: Oh, then of course, you are there. Lady: It is permanently there ? Shri Mataji: Yes, it is permanently. But Kundalini, you see, is newer - it’s a residual force (?) but, the complete oneness had to take place. Lady: Yes, it is connected everywhere like a full growing plant or… Gavin: It starts putting roots up there! Shri Mataji: Now, you see, there’s one more thing: these gurus show their own powers, they don’t give you any powers. All these people [here] know what is happening within you and are telling you what’s happening: he’s telling you, “This is happening, that is happening,” raising your Kundalini, giving you Realisation. They have given Realisation to people. The one who gave him Realisation was a disciple of mine. So, I mean, it is your power which should be manifested, isn’t it!? Vince Lindsay: Your own built-in. Shri Mataji: Your own built-in power should manifest. Vince Lindsay: Yes. Shri Mataji: That doesn’t [with them]. Only by taking [the] name somewhere, you don’t know anything about it. You just take a name, and you feel alright: that’s something like taking [alcoholic] drinks, for which you pay, quite a lot, much more than drinks. And you hurt your Kundalini so badly. But when Self-realisation takes place, your own power will manifest. That should be asked from a guru, always: “What are our powers?” He [Mahesh Yogi] doesn’t even talk, he doesn’t even tell, he cannot even explain what he is doing, how he is doing it, but I have told you everything. And I’m going to tell you everything! Secrets of secrets I am going to tell you. All the gupta, gupta taram as they call it in the Devi Mahatmayam: Markandeya has said that, “You know all the gupta and gupta taram.” I am going to give you all that, all the knowledge, otherwise things cannot be alright. Vince Lindsay: You see, Guru Raj has also said to us that, “You will have no secrets.” Shri Mataji: But he himself doesn’t know anything! Vince Lindsay: He says he does. Shri Mataji: How can he? Vince Lindsay: How can you tell? Shri Mataji: He’s spoilt your Agnya and spoilt his Agnya; he’s spoilt everybody’s Agnya! Everybody’s Agnya he’s spoilt. He’s only talking. If he’s done it, I have shown it. For example, I have met someone only a few days ago, Bogdan. I met him only eight days back, and he knows such a lot. Vince Lindsay: Yes. Shri Mataji: Who first came here from your group? Yogi: David. Shri Mataji: No, David was second, somebody else was first. Yogi: No, David was first. Shri Mataji: You were the first David? You remember, as soon as I saw you I said his guru has a very bad heart, do you remember? Immediately! What did I say? David: Yes. Shri Mataji: Very bad heart. David: He was born that way. Shri Mataji: He should be saved, all his ?? . But he’s done a very big mistake. He’s very, very wrong. He’s very, very wrong. You don’t know: he has to do a lot of repentance for what he’s done – spoiling everybody’s Agnya, imagine! With what, - if he (?continues), this is built in evolution. It’s the highest point for a man to reach it/him, it’s quite a price (?to be paid). And these people are killing in them. . Killing him in you! Inside here. Vince Lindsay: But that practice which he has given us, ‘tratak’,(त्राटक: fixing eyes on an object) has been given for many centuries. Shri Mataji: No! Not this way. No, not that way. That is given - You see, the hatha yoga is not to be done by householders, not to be done in London City! Hatha yoga has six things. After Realisation only trataka is to be done, that too, in the jungle with a guru. If you read Patanjali, it’s such a big book. All these people, some of them decided … It started, I would say mainly started with this Lahiri Baba and secondly by that … Shivananda. This Shivananda never got any guru, see, so he knew only -he in the first, only, the foremost thing is, to know very little of it; was to know [a] little asanas, that’s all he knew, and he came down [here] with the asanas. He had a big stomach like that, but still he started teaching asanas! I mean, it is six things together, and that too is to be done with a guru who is living in the Himalayas, and you have to be a complete celibate person, complete brahmacharya should be there; and he (the guru) looks after you. It was the domain of very few to give that. Very few used to get it, and it was not allowed to every Dick, Tom and Harry, or to anyone; or to the masses it was out of the question! Then time had to come, in the history, that masses had to get it, so I have come. Vince Lindsay: Why is it so simple for us? I mean, the very name of your society is ‘simple’ yes? Easy. Yeah? Sahaj. Shri Mataji: Vincent, do you know, everything important is the simplest! See your eyes, it’s so complicated and it’s so much God has done to make it, but it’s so simple to see! Has to be, because it is too important. Supposing your breathing was difficult, you could not have lived even for a moment. It has to be simple. Because you are to be evolved, it has to be the simplest – has to be! All God sent things are so simple [that] we don’t see, we take them for granted. See outside: you see, suddenly you find the flowers, then suddenly one day, morning, you see the fruits, then you see the seeds sprouting – do you see all these miracles or not? You see them, but you just take them for granted. This is a miracle which you have not seen, that’s why you think it’s too simple. Know, there’s a machinery behind, you have seen it, very complicated. But, as I say, I have done the cooking, you’d better have it! If you are hungry, you must eat it, and enjoy it. It’s for your own enjoyment, isn’t it, Bogdan? With that you’ll [grow] so fast you’ll see it, and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Yogini: Mother, is there anyone that hasn’t eaten? Shri Mataji: So many are there. Yogini: Those who haven’t had dinner, please come now. Shri Mataji: Alright, you go and eat. Are you going, Ravi? (?...). Go down to have something to eat. Bogdan: Mataji, You were talking once about God and there are some parts of His nature that are beyond Him; like it’s His nature to be eternal, and he can do nothing about it. That was interesting in the fact that this All-controlling God… Shri Mataji: And another thing I told you which you have forgotten is, of course these are all things which I am telling you but should not create too much controversy into your mind, but to understand it you have to be much more [subtle]. In that way God has been so sweet that He bound Himself by these regulations to Himself; that He has to be eternal, He cannot change it, He thought that - ‘I might change my view later on, I may give up’, so He said, “Better tie Myself up with this one thing.” Another thing is that He cannot take away your freedom. Bogdan: The thing that came about that is that this All-controlling God has given us our freedom. By doing that, He’s put us beyond His control, so He must love us very much to have done that to us. Shri Mataji: There’s no end to His loving. Bogdan: He must accord us the greatest respect to have done this; to put us beyond His control. Shri Mataji: That’s what I am saying! If you see that, how great He is! How His love is tremendous! He wants you to grow big, just like a father makes you independent, He’s made you independent. Bogdan: So He must feel very sorry when He’s powerless to stop us going the wrong way or to stop people going the wrong way. Shri Mataji: You see, these gurus have taken away the respect of God all to themselves: that’s what they are doing. Because without giving anything to you, what they have given is disrespect to God, disrespect to your dharma, to your sustenance power, disrespect to your Kundalini – everything! Everything is gone upside down. Seeker: But why Mataji? (? Why should they do that). Shri Mataji: Why they do it? That is beyond ?? . They are spoiled children. You see, in the body, you have to have excretion, isn’t it? It’s like that. In the whole Virata samstha (संस्था: institution) as you call, the institution of the Virata, it has to have also excretion system, and they are formed as the excretion part of it. Ha. Yogi: It keeps coming back to heart, left heart, right heart. Shri Mataji: Right to left? Yogi: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Left Heart is his guru, Right Heart is his first guru. Yogi: Perhaps he had gurus in previous lives as well. Shri Mataji: They were rakshasas [then]. Rakshasas, they were your enemies. I can’t eat [more] now. It’s too much. But I request should be no fight about Prasad. Take it down,I think. (? name), go and have something with him. You should be alright because your heart is disturbed. Turn around. Let’s see now. You have no questions? You are in complete joy, is it? Yogi: These two fingers are burning. Shri Mataji: These two are burning? All the time? Yogi: Off and on. Shri Mataji: You might be catching from others. Ravi: (says he’s catching on right heart) Shri Mataji: Kaunse? Is me? Yeh tumhara father hai. (Hindi: which one? That is your father.) Right-hand heart is the father. You see, maybe, what kind of a pillow you have? Pillow has to be alright. Yogi: Pillow? Shri Mataji: Or you sleep without a pillow. You have a pillow? Yogi: Man-made fibres, polyester. Shri Mataji: Because there’s a pressure over here. That’s why. Tell him how to take out the Vishuddhi. Just tell him to push back. You do it like this. Or you put your hands back, would be better, here. You’ve got more of these or not? But good news, I must say that this is the first time that Mahesh Yogi’s disciples are getting Realisation – we could not give them. And Muktananda Baba. Only one man we have given in Bombay of Mahesh Yogi’s disciples – one man. It’s most surprising. When they said, “Mahesh Yogi” I said, “Oh God!!” The first time! Jane, you have to go down (to eat). Vince: Shri Mataji, You only speak of seven chakras. Shri Mataji: No, there are many more. Vince: Yes, but, how many are there? Shri Mataji: I’ve exaggerated all of them! Vince: I’ve been told there’s seven hundred and seventeen chakras. Shri Mataji: Yes, so many are there, one thousand are already the…but at least you can see two more here (Shri Chakra and Lalita Chakra), and on top of the head there are three chakras. But gradually you take the basic ones and then the sub-chakras there. Yogi: This is the special introductory course. Shri Mataji: Even in mastering these you will take some time! That one is Sahasrara, this one here. Barry (Oz): There’s a book called the thousand names of the Goddess of the Sahasrara, someone once asked me where it came from, I said, “Comes from the ten thousand names,” And they said, “Where do the ten thousand names come from?” Shri Mataji: The twenty-one thousand, should be, minimum! Vince: Shri Mataji, can you see the chakras? Shri Mataji: You can see if you go from outside, that’s what they did. They went from the sympathetic, they saw the chakras, and they thought they have entered into it. But when you are inside the house, how can you see the house? Barry: Nabhi, both nabhis. Seeker: I’ve got a four-month-old baby daughter. Shri Mataji: Baby boy? Barry: Daughter. Shri Mataji: Daughter, you have got? Seeker: And she’s got really bad wind, is there anything I can do to help her? Shri Mataji: You just put your hand on her stomach, and think of Me and put one hand outside – she’ll be alright. Alright? Try that. What’s her name? Seeker: Amber. (36 mins Hindi conversation with Ravi) But after all the fruits, you eat this, and then take water. Till you have to leave. Better now? Vince: Yes Shri Mataji: But you have to cooperate, eh? And you have to go deep into it because you have a problem. And it’s a Mahesh Yogi’s disciple. I was amazed Myself – first time they are getting Realisation, otherwise none of them. Perhaps you people have denied ??. And this another guru of yours, such a bad Agnya he was putting up, baapre-baap! This Mahesh Yogi is spoiling everybody’s heart, and he’s spoiling everybody’s Agnya: very nice! It’s like from frying pan to the fire like that! Alright Vincent? Vincent: Yes. It was hurting a little bit lower down before, but it stopped. Shri Mataji: Because you have started feeling it now. The hurting and all that you have started feeling, now you will start feeling the pressure as you start feeling the Kundalini move. Barry (Oz): When shall we have our next meeting? Shri Mataji: Now, the programme is: you all should meet as many times as possible. I have not given you Realisation, have I? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Come here. You have been doing Hatha Yoga or so? Hatha Yoga? Seeker: Just a little, a few exercises. Barry: Could you take your socks off first? Shri Mataji: Same thing like mantra. You take out your socks as well. You see, Hatha Yoga is also like mantras. It’s a big shastra, it’s a big science. You shouldn’t do it, it’s not a novice’s job. Everybody should not do that. Just see, is it the liver? Heart? Heart first of all, that’s why I said you must have done Yoga. Seeker: I’m doing, also, this meditation with Raj. Shri Mataji: The Agnya? Seeker: Before, I was doing a little bit. Barry: I’m just going to take a bit [of Prasad] for Mataji’s husband. Shri Mataji: Just see now, with one grace you can do it, the whole thing can go out. What are these gurus? Throw them out! Haa! Haa! Just see now. Raise his Kundalini! See it. Where is it? Now, don’t make noises. Ha! Ha! Haaaaa! All these gurus and all that. Got it? Close your eyes. But now you’ll have to work, no doubt, but you’ve touched it. Haaa! Come up? (Shri Mataji is laughing) If the Mother’s grace is there, what is there [to worry]? After all, it is written already: when She will come, She will just do it like this – isn’t it? Haa! You’ve got it. Very good. Got it? Done! Ho gaye? Paara uthara gaye, santa janare – the saints have crossed the ocean! That’s what [it is], you are all saints. You must understand you are all saints, you have been seeking for thousands of years, and that’s why you were attacked. Haaa! Kundalini is in the half coil now See when the river flows how she throws away all these obstructions. She’s not going to stop for anyone. Don’t allow your mind to stop anywhere! Say, “I must have it!” Then you’ll have it. He came with that idea. You got it. Everything cleared you see: heart sab, sab aoge (सब आओगे – all will come) It can be you also – jump into it! Throw away all that! You have not achieved anything so far, na, from that? Throw them away, finished! Don’t worry. The more you will think about them, they will work in your mind much more – progress will be slower. Haaa! You can tie it up on top. Let it be. Haaa! Done now! Haa! This is known as ‘paash’. If you read the Devi Mahatmyam you will know, this is paash. Alright? And this is ankusha they call it, you see? All these are described in all of these papers. Huuun! All of you feeling better? Seekers: Yes. Shri Mataji: What’s your name? How are you feeling? Seeker: Nice, very nice. Shri Mataji: Nice, very nice! That’s the thing now; [the] river is flowing into you! Good. See his eyes are dilated, see. One thing is to be achieved only, nothing else! Is God – Twamekam sharanyam, twamekam varenyam (Adi Shankaracharya: You alone are my refuge, you alone are my desire). That’s the one to be asked for, that’s what you must get and nothing else. All this nonsense, throw away! You don’t want it. Haaa! Huuur! How are you? Seeker: I want too much. I want to be happy at something, and I’m kind of in between being happy and being unhappy, I’m kind of like a stone between a mountain and a sea or something. Shri Mataji: They will tell you what to do. Tell him to beat that Muktananda with shoes! Every day! You see, this is what Mohammed Sahib has told us: you all beat them with shoes. You have to write their names [and] beat them with shoes, and that’s how you will be cleared out. That horrible fellow, he has no sense that he is a sweeper – he’s touching everybody’s dirty parts! He’s going to eat faeces in the hell, that’s what I can tell you, and I have no words to describe this horrible man! Haaa! Good. Come on. Chalo, ho gaya? Sab log saf ho gaye? (Hindi: Let’s go. Done? Everybody cleaned?) Everybody feeling better? Bien? So let’s go! Barry: It’s for C.P. it’s some sweets. Shri Mataji: He’s very particular about the Prasad, he’ll ask Me, “Have you brought your Prasad or not?” (laughing) What about these chocolates? Barry: Ravi brought them. Shri Mataji: Everyone should have them, isn’t it. Gavin: Should we make some plans for next week, while we are all here? Shri Mataji: Yes, for all of you, you should make, but Me you should exclude. I’m going to try the other side of life, giving their Kundalini jagruti, you see, all those people coming for the conference, all of them. I’ve given to so many Russians: so many ambassadors and ambassadors wives. Barry: Which conference is this? Shri Mataji: This is the annual conference of the council. All these nations will be there, all will be represented. It’s a very huge, big thing: seven days. They live in Ganard Hotel and something like that. Yogi: He’s saying he’s planning to go to India very shortly. Shri Mataji: No! No! You just don’t go! You are in the greatest mess! You first of all clear out yourself! What is in India? Seeker: I just want to go to a place for a while where there’s less traffic and less noise and.. Yogis: Go to Scotland! Shri Mataji: You should be alright inside. Inside you will be alright, then you will not mind all this. Yogi: You can go to the Richmond Park. Shri Mataji: Nothing to run away! We have to face life as it is. You have to be brave. This is escaping. You are not going to escape, you are going to face it. Barry: I think he wants a holiday, that’s what he’s saying. Shri Mataji: You are having holidays after holidays, now why do you want a holiday? Seeker: I am being thrown out of England. Barry: He’s not allowed to stay in England. Shri Mataji: Why? What country you belong in? Seeker: Australia. Shri Mataji: You are supposed to go back? Seeker: I thought I’d go back through India. Shri Mataji: If you could wait for some days, we are going to have an ashram there, where you can go and stay. And then you’ll not…you cannot. You get him completely into your hands…actually I’m really…see my husband is sitting there, and he was telling on the phone, “Now have you given me up?” I said, “I’m busy with my children here.” (laughter) You are overpowering Me. How are you? Seeker: I’m alright. Shri Mataji: Now you don’t hate them at all? And cut your hair a little bit, alright? Sometimes with the hairstyle and all that also the…be normal, nothing abnormal to be done. Not to be very fashionable, nor to be absolutely careless. Respect your body, respect your mind. Now, how are you? Better? Seeker: Yes, a little bit. Shri Mataji: Did you do that way? Did you tell him how to do the Vishuddhi? Maureen: No, it was someone else you told. Shri Mataji: No, I said, “Tell him how to do the Vishuddhi.” Put your hand here like this and tell him how to do it. All of you can do it. Put your hand like this, at the back. Now, Gavin, you tell him. At the back, and think of God as the Virat. Not to laugh because this is a very important act. Done! Better? Moreover, these fingers are of the Virat, and the mantra of this Vishuddhi is one of them – of course you can say Radha Krishna – but one of them, the greatest one is putting these in the ears and to say “Allah hu Akbar”. Say it thrice, “Allah hu Akbar.” (whilst demonstrating, Mother does not shout but says it quietly). Better? Seeker: I didn’t really understand. Barry: Allah hu Akbar. Shri Mataji: Allah hu Akbar, see, God is great. And the greatest of God is Virat. Seeker: Oh, it’s Islam. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s Islamic. Again say it. Now once you have done twice and then thrice, the same. Everybody is saying “Allah hu Akbar.” Now see, you are putting this in your ears, still you are hearing. From where are you hearing it? Through this. Again, you say it. Come along. Everybody is saying “Allah hu Akbar.” Better? This is for Vishuddhi. For Christ, you have to take the name of Jesus Christ and you have to take the Lord’s prayer. Or at the back use Ganesha’s – that’s the beginning of, I mean the Christ’s former, I mean you should say the basis, the bija; use Ganesh, from here. That one is created here. And at this point (Sahasrara) there’s a mantra written on my photograph which you can read it. Have you got my photograph? Vince: Yes, I have. Shri Mataji: You haven’t got it? So take the photograph. Now work it out, and you beat each other as many times as you can. Are you feeling better now? Seeker: Oh, it’s still very heavy at times. Shri Mataji: What are you wearing in the neck? Seeker: Oh, it’s taurus. Zodiac sign. Shri Mataji: Take it out. (?...) Are you better now? Not there, now there. Not there, not there, not here. Here you are feeling it, isn’t it? Which side on the right or the left. Seeker: Eyes and here , all over. Eyes. Shri Mataji: Better? Try to sit in the water, alright? It will help you. Ha. Left side catches. Left side catches is mostly due to emotional side [that] means. But there seem to be vibrations at an extreme point. You’ve been to a guru or someone? Seeker: No, I feel very exhausted because I’ve had a very exhausting experience with my girlfriend; very exhausting. Shri Mataji: You must be that way exhausted. That’s on the emotional side, you see. What is she doing now? She’s living? Seeker: Yes. She’s an Indian? Shri Mataji: She is an Indian? She’s given you this experience? (?) Horrible Indians! (laughter) Got no shame! That’s why I say don’t marry Indian girls, you don’t know what will turn out of them! Horrible! Ravi is looking at you now! (laughing) I mean, you don’t know, some of them are terrible! Seeker: She’s very spiritual. Shri Mataji: Very spiritual? What’s her name? Seeker: Lakshmi. Shri Mataji: Lakshmi? And what is her surname? Seeker: Ramachandran. By that name she was married. Ramachandran. Seeker: She was married Ramachandran, her maiden name was Vasudeva. Shri Mataji: Vasudeva. Now she’s worried because the name you are saying is of her caste name. So she’s saying now marry my son when you find a girl (laughing). She’s worried now. How do you say she’s spiritual, what does she do? Seeker: Errm. Shri Mataji: She married you? Seeker: We went through our own ceremony, our own marriage ceremony. Shri Mataji: Which one? Seeker: No, it was one that just happened, we knew it was… Shri Mataji: For an Indian girl, she knows that this is not correct. That means she’s not so spiritual. Seeker: And we both thought (?it was) sort of ceremony again. Shri Mataji: You are alright, you have a western mind, but she’s a “spiritual” Indian woman I’m telling you about her. And she’s troubling you, her husband; an Indian woman won’t give up her husband even if he’s mad, or even if he beats her; even if he becomes a leper. Seeker: She’s divorced. Shri Mataji: She’s divorced you, or she’s divorced another man? Seeker: She divorced her husband. Shri Mataji: (talking to Mrs. Sharda Devi) Dekh lo tum! Certificates le lo, kaise kaise hoti hai aurate! (Hindi: Look at that! You take certificates, how they are the women!) Give her a bandhan, hopeless! Good for nothing. Calling the name of the country. Mrs. Sharda Devi: He is very immune. Shri Mataji: Taking such a big name, nothing, she should have some shame: giving such a big name. Indian women are known, even once Roosevelt said, that they are like a magnolia flower: if there’s one flower in the whole locality, everyone knows there’s a flower; this is what he said. I take back my words about Indian women, with these exceptions also…Haa! Marathi me – Lakshmibai hati patlazawala (In Marathi – ‘Lakshmi is wearing a brass bangle’ which means ‘her name is Lakshmi, but she has no character of Lakshmi’) Only if he’s a rakshasa, she can leave [her husband]. Seeker: Aha. Shri Mataji: If the husband is a magician, then she can leave the husband, under law, under Indian law. She has no children, nothing? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: She left the children also? Seeker: No, no, she still has them. Shri Mataji: Why did she leave her husband. Seeker: She never liked him. Shri Mataji: I tell you India is like a ?? Thank God, that our Sahaja Yogis should never marry an Indian! Mr. Devi: Why is it? In India, Sahaja Yogi girls are good? Shri Mataji: We have arranged it so well that no Sahaj Yogi marries a Sahaja Yogi. If you marry, then you bring that one to Sahaja Yoga. But if you are a Sahaja Yogi and another is a Sahaja Yogini, you are brothers and sisters. Before coming to Sahaja Yoga, if you are related, that is alright, but after Sahaja Yoga you are all brothers and sisters. I have arranged it that way. Otherwise, the whole of Sahaja Yoga will be ruined. You’ll be having your romances instead of Sahaja Yoga and meditation. All are brothers and sisters. Not one marriage – can you imagine? – amongst thousands of people! Not one marriage has taken place. Somebody says something and everybody is laughing. Shri Mataji: It is going to be better than Kali Yuga, don’t you worry! In Kali Yuga in India, one couple is producing twelve children!! (break in recording) Seeker: Is there something for me inside? Shri Mataji: Then you should do inside her. But then these things should not come into your mind. This should not come into your mind. To pay her back, you must do something to give others. She hasn’t got it through sex, and you are not going to get it through sex. You cannot return it through sex. You haven’t got it through sex, and you cannot return it through sex. Now see the difference. This is the purity of understanding. You see, this is your Mother sitting here. At this time you are like Ganesha’s all of you. Your attention is not at all on the sex, and if somebody has done for you something through Sahaja Yoga, for her, if you ever have that kind of a feeling, you’ll fall, or you’ll be exposed. Never. Keep yourself clear on that. Here, you can have somebody, friend or someone, if you come, if you are friendly before you get Realisation, alright. Afterwards, if you meet somebody, bring one more person, I’ll give them Realisation. What is there? We’ll have another person here! But a Sahaja Yogi, you will not. You will be surprised, all of them are living here. Ask them how they have become brothers and sisters. I have strict rules. Yogi: For four years we have been. Vince: It seems so narrow. Shri Mataji: No, not at all! You see, you think that being wise is vulgar. Actually that is vulgar, that is being vulgar. Vince: But it’s only vulgarity in the mind, Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, no. Because you are purified, inside you are purifying Vincent, that’s why. You see, it is like this: now this is the drawing room, alright? In the drawing room, you have to come to sit down and talk. Will you use a WC here, or you will sit down and throw it out? It’s like that. There’s a place for everything. It’s not narrowing. If somebody says that, “Why don’t you allow your child to do everything here, you are very narrow-minded !” It’s something like that – everything has its place. It’s decorum and decency, it’s privacy. It’s a private thing. You also say it’s ‘private parts’. I don’t know why, but you say it’s private; and you make it so vulgar in the sense that it’s so open to everyone. This is not narrow-mindedness. This is an understanding of the whole thing. Will you call Christ narrow? He said, not [only] adultery, but He said even adulterous eyes! And you don’t know [that] half of the devils come to you through your eyes and then even if you want to stop it’s difficult, it goes on looking, looking, like this. That’s the worst part for Agnya. Best thing is to put them on the Mother Earth and fix them up. You’ll know this. Gradually they are doing it. Good. It’s alright. Seeker: Mataji, these people giving us Realisation, but what about the karma that we have stored up. Shri Mataji: That question I have answered already. That is: the karmas are done by your ego, isn’t it? Who does the karmas? Your ego. If I have removed your ego and superego on the sides and your attention has come up [so] now who does the karma? What do you say [is], “I’m getting, it’s happening. It’s moving,” like that. You never say, “I am doing it.” This is akarma. It has become akarma. You understand? Karma has become akarma. Like the sun doesn’t say, “I’m giving you light,” it just flows. That’s what has happened. And now you will say, “What happens to karmas?” I will clean them off, I will remove them off. Yogi: Still takes a long time to cure your chakras up completely. Shri Mataji: I have eaten them off, I have sucked them out. You have seen [how] I have sucked them out of many people. Seeker: We don’t have to work out our own karma, Mataji? Shri Mataji: No, you don’t have to work out. You get your Realisation. But now you keep yourself on [a] steady path. Whatever karmas are troubling you are still there, though little bits are there, forget! Forget the past! That’s the best way. Be in the present. Yah? Be in the present. If you are in the present, the past and future are finished and you enjoy. Now [it’s] for you to enjoy: finished all those dramas! You better enjoy now, come along now! When are you going to enjoy? You don’t go on weeping about your girlfriend of that dirty type! Useless! She has no shame! At least, she should have given happiness to another man. She cannot give happiness to one man, what is she going to do in this world? Useless! She calls herself Lakshmi! Such women, we call them as ‘dushtas’ in India. Tell her! You go and tell her Mataji has given you a name – ‘dushta’! She can’t give happiness to one man? What’s the use of such a woman? She’s become, I think, western. I don’t know what to say. (laughter) Vince: Mataji, I don’t know, it doesn’t seem right to me, I’ve got to say. I’ve got something I must say to you. It doesn’t seem right to me that You should say that perhaps she’s useless. Perhaps it was her husband who was useless. Shri Mataji: Because I know who she is, that’s why I’m saying. Whatever I am saying is through knowledge. You see, I can feel her vibrations. Ravi: Mataji, why not give her the Realisation so that she makes him happy. Shri Mataji: But let me say something bad to her so that she’s cleared a little bit. Alright? By doing that, she does [clear]. You see, h when I do anything, it’s all for your kalyana. Even if I give you a slap, it will be for your kalyan. Seeker: Are you going to? (laughter) Shri Mataji: Even if I kiss you, it’s for your kalyan. Even if I say something, it’s for your kalyan, because what I am is kalyanamayi. You see, I am here just to give you that. So I will see how to keep it all, how to bring it along. Everything is for your good. If I am saying anything to her, it’s for her good: you’ll find her to be a better person. Do you know, we write the name of the person and beat her with shoes: the person is alright the other side. You try this! Now they have tried it, just ask her. Now they will tell you: they are so convinced. It’s very interesting. Now it’s better. If you think that a thing has to be done, then you’ll know ways and methods of how to do it, isn’t it? But first of all decide it is to be done, finished! It will be done. And it was decided by you, that’s why you are with Me. Hmmm. So let’s see! Gavin: So next week, Tuesday, of course, we could do it at my place…. (end of tape 3)

“Workshop and discussions with Shri Mataji,” Finchley Ashram 1 11 November 1977 Tape 1 ( 1977-11-03 Workshop Part 2 Finchley Ashram, 93', min 43:29 Shri Mataji: See, in the beginning Sahaja is such a sweet thing that in the beginning it makes you such that you get the vibrations alright. And in the beginning it doesn’t give you the feeling of heaviness so much as it would to these people (yogis). It doesn’t make you feel nervous. Because supposing the first day, only, you get a heavy head, you would say, “What sort of a Sahaja Yoga is this one?” See? So it makes you, first of all, [feel] very nice and happy. But then, you see, it makes you also strong! And it makes you a witness. Then, when you start you don’t mind: you just got this in your head, it’s alright “haaa hooo,” but you take it out, you fight it out. It’s like you see it’s training, in a battlefield, and you have to fight the satanic forces, alright? So suddenly you are not exposed to the battlefield, but what they do is to first of all prepare you. First you are hit by a mock sword, so you don’t feel it. Then you strengthen your sword. Better now? Better? They used to be so much frightened, you know! Everybody coming used to be frightened! They used to be very frightened, now they have become very relaxed! Italian Yogi: (Tells story about something) Shri Mataji: That’s what I was telling you that, you see, God’s power is everywhere. You will see that now, you will feel it. When you become subtler and subtler you will see that, that is everywhere it’s acting, it’s organising with love. Only the trouble with us [is] we do not leave any space, any realm, for Him to act. When we try to do everything ourselves, he says, “Alright, go ahead!” You [must] allow Him to work out. Sahaja means that. ‘Sahaja’ means that you allow Him to work out. Sheila (from Harrow): (tells story) Shri Mataji: But to recognise Me is a big thing you have done. There are so many of brains, you see, but they don’t recognise. They never recognised Christ, and it was very difficult and by the time they recognised Him, He had gone away, and He was resurrected: that’s the time that they recognised. Then they started shouting and beating their heads. And this is what they did to you. That shows your pure sensitivity, pure sensitivity. If you are not sensitive you can never recognise Me, whatever you may try: you cannot. That’s it! Because there are so many realised-souls, some of them, born: they do not recognise. Sheila: Why? Shri Mataji: You see, the reason is, because they have achieved their realisation, they think, through their efforts, through their penance, yes, and they think they have been very great warriors, and they have done it, so the ego develops in them, and they do not want to recognise somebody in person because they have got it in an abstract way, so they do not want to recognise Me. But sometimes they do not, but then I have seen, ultimately they do. But those who are born at a much higher level, they recognise me already. I mean, I have not met them, so many of them, but they know me [that] I am there. They are telling people that, “She is there. Go and meet [her].” So many of them. Satpal is one of them, he went to somebody who is a mahatma who never comes out of his place; and first time before coming here he went to him, and he said, “What are you asking me this [for]? The Shakti has gone to England now! She is there. Shakti is there. You have come from England, why don’t you see her there? She is there.” But they stay in the temples, they stay in the forests, they are not down. Because they are afraid. You know, people might do something against them; they really tortured. And this also they catch [from them]. You are under my protection [so] I can look after you; but this catching business, if there is nobody to look after it, it can be terrible, you see. Now this Gagangan Maharaj he has both the legs like this and hands are like this, he can’t walk by himself, so he goes on a tiger. He knows about Me; because they have an awareness of a different style. Are you better now? What is it? Give a bandhan to yourself. These all have come out from the same sort of problems as you have. They have all, very much, so they understand and they have patience for you, that’s the reason. So whom did you go with? Seeker: My guru? Shri Mataji: Ha. Seeker: Muktananda. You don’t like him? Shri Mataji: Oh, like? I mean! So, did he touch you somewhere? Seeker: Ah yes, he did touch me there. Shri Mataji: Agnya? Seeker: Yes, on the Agnya. Shri Mataji: Yes, will you please remove your hair a little on top, if you can now watch here (Mother’s Agnya). Better now? Horrible! Actually Muktanand started, Muktanand was a realised-soul, his guru [Nityanand] was a realised soul. But I wouldn’t say that he was a very higher realised personality, but he was realised, born-realised, but he had not reached a great achievement to know many things. And he used to catch his Agnya too much from other people, so he used to throw stones at people, anybody who would go to him, he used to throw stones, and then this Muktanand also joined him and there are many others who joined him. And when he died Muktanand said, “I’m his chief disciple,” and this and that. But he developed these powers. And this you can develop very easily. It’s very easy. I’m going to tell you about how they developed these powers. But these are not powers, but these are sort of diseases, actually. And as you can contaminate another by your disease, in the same way it was with this fellow. And then he started this ashram in a very small manner to begin with. Then in India we have lots of black markets, lots of them; we had them, and again we are having them. I mean, in any countries where there is too much of income tax, there are these types of people. In India, you see, basically they are a little frightened of God all the time, so they think that, “We are doing all this [bad things] so let’s also have some generosity, some sort of a guru, so that we are saved.” You see, at least a part of it should be given. So they try to find out someone. So, you see, Muktanand came forward, and actually he started an ashram for the people who were doing well. And then lots of hippies coming down to Goa and all these places. So they said, “Alright, my guru has lived, and I will start my ashram.” And he was in the military first of all, and then he retired from there. On the other hand, this fellow Jungde, he’s another horrible fellow, he joined him. And he was a private secretary of (some politician) ??? and that, because he was a private secretary before joining him, you see, he knew how to administer all forms of income. His wife was a very sensible woman to begin with, but then she also got into it. And the business started fast . And the minister was the minister of industry in India, in Bombay, just Maharashtra, that part, that state. Actually I know him so well, you can’t imagine, this minister. He was my father’s (?). And he knew about Me from my childhood, he knew that I was something exceptional and all that. And he came to Me one day, and he asked Me, and his wife also asked Me, “What do you think of this Muktananda?” I said, “Which Muktanand?” Because many are called Muktanand. I said he was a realised-soul. But actually I did not pay any attention to Muktanand at that time. And they got into it so badly! You see, because the money that was coming from this black market and all that was given [by them to Muktanand] and these people had sort of a respite in that: so that they would give the money and the people would go and stay there, and they would feel that a little bit our sins are being taken away by that sort of a charity. We call it as daan (दान: charitable gift). Daan is a gift to God, or something you give to God. Then so many hippies we had in Goa and when they started… Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you? Seeker: Very well Shri Mataji: Good, good! Very nice! Sit down on the chair. And you don’t wear [clothes] that tight, alright? Your clothes are too tight, and we must all wear a little loose clothes, is a better idea. Alright, put your hands out. I mean, no harm in wearing a tight one but for Kundalini movement and all that, if it is tight, then the muscle movement is not easy because it flows through your muscles and everything, the vibrations, so if it is a little loose clothes it is better. At least for meditation it is better. Alright. …then this man, when he started this thing, these people from Goa, especially from Goa, had no money after some time. You see because the money that was sent to them was finished, so maybe the parents must have given them up, whatever it is, so quite a lot of them were there in a big mess. So this gentleman, this minister, he thought, “Why not put these people into that ashram?” Sort of he brought all of them and put them there, sort of atonement for the sins. These he brought there. And he prepared in the early stages, some of them, into this business side of seeking. And they were taking drugs and everything. So on one side the drug system was there and on another side they were having their food and all that, and it was like a show there. So, for Indians, when they went there they saw so many foreigners being saved, you know, [so] their feeling of pity was satisfied that, “What a thing we are doing for these poor people!” and “We are helping them out and everything.” And it was such a great experience for them to feel that, and everybody started donating money. And then this fellow started it in a big way, and then he also started pressing at wrong points of many people. For example, the one who had come that day, he had touched. And he touches on the private parts of – Muktananda has done – on many people he has done it. Not [only] that be, he has also used some women, many more women, who came to me. But you see, Indian women are so afraid, even everybody is afraid, you see, the women, to say like that, that, “That he has used us.” Such a nonsense it is. I mean, it’s being a prostitute. It’s being like that. But there were lots of reports and people went to the police and this and that and there was some Mr. Wuqtat, who was a minister of, I think he was the minister for the land and revenue, and the police came to him and everything happened, and they wanted to have a case against it. They wanted to file a report against him, the way he was on. But you see, it went to the government said, “No, we are getting lots of foreign exchange now for that, so let him be, don’t disturb him.” Just imagine! And I shouldn’t say all these things to you, but I know this has happened, then you must know. And so they left him alone to do whatever he pleases, because he was bringing lots of money! When he went to America, about three years back, he got three crores of foreign exchange. Seeker: They had a jumbo jet. Shri Mataji: A jumbo jet, yes. And, with that, when he came back, naturally people said, “Now he’s bringing money to us.” But actually he didn’t bring the money as such, he didn’t give it to the government. But you see, so much foreign exchange was earned, and he got the exchange for that! You see, foreign exchange he got, is the point. You see, supposing you take money from here, and it’s the foreign exchange, then the money you can have, Indian money you can have, but they get the foreign exchange, isn’t it. And that’s how they were very happy with him, because they could buy jumbo and all that, with that money. So the whole thing turns out, just see how; how everybody gets involved into it. It passes through such a materialistic style , and it makes everybody branded because, “It’s alright!” Like a prostitute selling her body and earning her money: “It’s alright! It’s alright! What’s wrong? I am getting money quite alright, what’s wrong in it?” It’s the same style. And that’s how the government, at the time of Indira Gandhi only this happened, that she said, “What’s wrong in it? He’s doing foreign exchange, let him do it. We are having foreign exchange, what’s the harm?” Same thing happened with the fellow Brahmachary who was with her. Every day he used to come on the television! Horrible fellow! And when he came here, he wanted to give me a photo. I’ll manage him that way. But I am saying [that] this is what it is. And every day he was there [on TV] and that ashram was donated to him free of cost by the government people! Government has given that ashram! Such a big ashram. And he was given special sort of facilities; like he could travel anywhere he wanted to, and he could enter into Indira Gandhi’s house, absolutely, even in the night. Any time he could come out and enter there and stay with her and do whatever he pleases! When the whole government collapsed then this came out, but this fellow, this Brahmachary was having a - there was a lady, Chopra, Mrs. Chopra, but the man [husband] reported that he used that woman: and there were seven rooms he had which he says, and he used to be in the seventh room, and you have to pass from one to another and the one who went through each seven had this kind of a ‘blessing’ from him. And this Mrs. Chopra, poor thing, you know, it was announced in the paper, all these things came up: her husband told that, “This is what happened, I went from the back side on the seventh floor, and, and I saw her sleeping with him!” He saw, and he said, nobody hit him or anything because he was arrested, and he was sent to jail, and he was in jail all the time, because he saw this happening to his own wife! And when this Indira Gandhi’s went down, then his wife said, “Yes, it’s a fact.” But in India such wives have no place so poor thing, she’s in a very big mess now, but this is what it is. Sheila (from Harrow): I can’t understand why the women let him do this. . Shri Mataji: That’s it. But what happens, I tell you, it is the way they impress on you [is] because they mesmerise you, they mesmerise you. You see, they mesmerise you. And by that, and they just say, “Come along, this is God’s thing. You are a seeker.” Sheila (from Harrow): They manipulate you. Shri Mataji: Oh, they play all kinds of tricks! They mesmerise you. They are very polite, they are very kind. They never say anything against anyone. Oh, and you think they are a gem of a people, you know. They are very, very soft-spoken, and very sweet to you and [then] all sorts of things they do. Seeker: Are you saying that Muktananda was doing this? Or was it this Brahmachary? Shri Mataji: Yes, very much. Very much! Seeker: But Muktananda is a powerful abstainer, isn’t he? Shri Mataji: He tells outside, abstainer. That’s what it is after. They tell as if it is abstaining. And then [when] you go inside, they tell the (?) ! Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: They have a private audience, you see. They have a private audience. They are rakshasas! They can have ten women at a time. They are horrid people! They eat like hell! If you see how much they eat. This Muktananda’s food, if you see, you’ll be surprised how much he can eat. Seeker: They say he eats very little, and that, since he was fifteen, he has been a total abstainer. Shri Mataji: That is what it is! You see, what happens is that they have a group of people around them, and they give all these stories. All these stories are given out like that. Terrible! I went to see him, Muktanand, just to put him a little bit right. Oh, but he is a master, so you cannot put a master right! I wanted to see him what sort of a fellow he was, and he looked at Me, and coming in a big car with a chauffeur, then they know that she’s such and such and her husband is such and such. And he looked at Me, and he came with a very great thing, and he gave me also a shawl. I said, “I don’t take anything from you.” And he took Me down to the meditation hall and all that, and he said, “You see we need lots of money to build up this and that and that…” I said, “In this meditation hall, you have got photographs of so many people! What are these people who are here?” He said, “These are all the people who come at my feet!” I said, “Really?” And he took my photograph also with him, somebody was there who took my photograph, so I said, “Are you going to put that one also here?” He said, “They come at my feet.” He said, “No, this is meditation hall, and I want to tell people because once they recognise that way then they’ll surrender better.” He said, “Are you by the way interested in meditation?” I said, “By the way, I am not at all interested.” And many women have come to him, but they don’t want to say it. Seeker: Brahmachary is in jail now, isn’t he. Shri Mataji: Brahmachary was in jail, but what about this Dekhadas? Dekhadas is the same type. He’s now got leprosy, imagine he’s got leprosy! And another thing is Muktananda is suffering from VD! Now, this is the limit of this: he’s suffering from VD! You see, he has a doctor who is a brother-in-law of Subramaniam. Sheila (from Harrow): Why do they do this? Shri Mataji: Because they are on the other extreme, you see. Because they are monsters! Sheila (from Harrow): Everything they do is exaggerated, not just sex but food… Shri Mataji: Everything! Or they will be abstaining to such an extent, some of them are like this also, I would say, they can be like that; that they are hot tempered, absolutely! They don’t eat anything, they eat only human beings, you see the mind is like that, their appetite is that if anybody passes, “Put them! Do this! Do that!” Absolutely from inside, sort of a burning fire! They can be two types, extremes. Yogi: Like the old sages. Shri Mataji: Yes we have had some Vishwamitras and all that in our own times, we have had. They never did any salvation work for the people. You have to be in the centre. Sex? Alright, but must have sanctified sex. And rise above it. You should feel satisfied about it because if you do not feel satisfied about it that means it’s no good! So with one wife, one person, if you have sex all your life, then gradually you rise, and you go deeper into her, deeper understanding into it. But you see the whole society is so upside down: they think if you have sex then you are a great person! I mean, what is so great? This is only done among…you know, impotent people only think like this! You see, only impotent people have these kinds of ideas that if you have sex, then only you are a great person. Gradually in India, if you start from childhood that [you] try to keep your mind away from this as far as possible. I mean, you are not even allowed to see naked women or any photograph like that. I mean, they used to say that, put your eyes always down below. I mean, anyone like that walks with the eyes down below, in India. The people of my age in India walk with the eyes down below, I mean, those who are brought up from the proper family. And, looking too much at women or interested in women, people don’t like; they don’t like it. In the society women are separate, men are separate, if you meet [or] anything. And any man coming too much among the women and talking too much, then they won’t like it; they call him (grandpa??), which is a bad name for him. Here, (?) the other day for the priest, they said, “He’s a ladykiller!” I mean, if you said this to an Indian he will die of shame, “Oh God!” Because we have had models like Rama. It’s regarded as very bad! You ask them, they have been to the villages: very innocent people! They just don’t bother about these things. I mean, if somebody does that they think, “Ah! What sort of a man!” Now, in my family, once two sanyasis came and my daughter said, “Mummy, you don’t let these two horrible fellows! You see, they have very bad eyes. We don’t want to have them in the house.” And here a girl seems very much enamoured [by attention]. We are surprised at that. Once my husband came down, and he said, “You know, it’s very funny about these people! The father of the girl was telling me that these two girls went for a bathing in some place, and all boys were making remarks on them, and they were feeling very great about it!” In India, the girl would have taken out her slipper and beaten those boys! How dare he pass remark at her! And this is getting on [encroaching] your privacy. Everybody doesn’t have the right to look at us with that eyes! That should be taught. And it’s surprising [that] it’s in this place where Christ is worshipped. What did He say for this? Not even the adulterous eyes. To that subtle power he went into. Even not only the mind but even the adulterous eyes. Even if you have adulterous eyes, he will not live here: he said it clearly. It’s an insult! It’s just to make Him die in this place [Agnya] that they did all this. It’s not regarded as good manners in India to be exposed like this: very bad manners it is! Now you ask these girls – they will tell you, they have been to India – how women live and how they behave. Actually, you meet all wrong type of people here. But you were also [once dharmic] like that. It’s all been spoilt only recently. Funny ideas of modernism of using women. I mean, one should feel ashamed! And that’s how the women, when they lose their power, the whole nation collapses. It’s only on the women, their power, the nation exists: on their sense and their wisdom. And they become so aggressive! Now this boy has a mother who is so aggressive! Terrible people! Is she better now? I know, I know how they are. I have seen them – most surprising. A mother has to be extremely loving and tolerant and wise, and should respect her chastity. I mean, it’s an abuse in India if somebody says about the mother, and here it’s surprising, he’s saying that everybody has relationship with the mother. What to do now? Are we a different type of a people or some funny, funny people who are born in that country where it’s an abuse. If you say that [in India] you can be murdered for that! Perhaps maybe in the law it may not be permissible if you say that in India to someone. Hmm. Horrible! Now first I used to think that this Muktanand is only using that money and publicity and all that, so I said, “Let him have money, whatever he wants. Doesn’t matter.” But then when his disciples started coming to Me, I realised he had spoiled their Kundalini. Then I was very angry with him. Because that is the primule, you see. That is how you are going to get your second birth. And he’s spoiling that! And for so many of you would never have got it, for many lives the way he has spoilt. Some of them he has spoilt very badly. Now there’s a problem we have with this man, bald headed gentleman who comes. I don’t know if he’ll get it. He gets it, but it drops down. You see, his Kundalini drops down, drops down. When he [Muktanand] touches the Kundalini, he makes the chakras so loose that the Kundalini comes up and after some time drops down. Now. Yah! Come along! How are you? How is Ravi? (1:17:30 Short Hindi conversation with Ravi) For his treatment? Woooow! He’s gone for his treatment, or what has he gone for? When he got there? Ravi: Kuch ?? . Shri Mataji: Kaise abhi? (How is he now?) Ravi: Bas, kharab hai. (Still sick) Us ka tabiyat. (His health) Shri Mataji: Bahut kharab (very sick). Bahut usne safaya. (He cleared a lot). Ghar mein chalna chaahiye (He should walk in the house). Ghar mein, main chalana chaahiye (At home I also have to walk) Ravi: (Hindi) Shri Mataji: Aisa hai. Ye sach hi baat (That’s very true). That style of people, very thin, angry. Ravi: (Hindi) Shri Mataji: No, no. You cannot. You leave it too much. You cannot change him. It’s really not possible, you know. I got it from him. Now which one is yours? Now come along. I could bring chocolate for you only! All for the Sahaj Yogis is a good idea. But, you see, I could bring you chocolates. Today we have dinner for you, I must announce beforehand. You see, we have dinner but cook it now. Marie: It’s already cooked. Yogini: Marie has done it. Shri Mataji: Oh! Already been cooked. So there is dinner for us. Marie: Only the vegetables are not cooked. Shri Mataji: Ah, come along. You see, the other day, Gavin said a very sweet thing: he was angry with Me. When I went away in the morning time, he came on my foot and his Agnya was caught. I said, “Why are you angry?” So he said, “I was very angry Mother because you didn’t keep them for food!” I said, “Well, you should have told me! I was thinking you had no food in the house!” And they wanted to go, so I said, “Alright, go now!” I didn’t offer them any food. And I was very happy, you see. The whole day yesterday I was very joyous to see his generosity about it. And the way he was angry, it was a correct way to get angry with Me. I love it that way, if you are angry that [way]. You see, he had brought for everyone, and he was very unhappy that he couldn’t give food, you know. How are you? Fine? Have you removed the water? Now remove it! Take out the water and wipe your feet. No, let him wipe! You put yourself on the side here. And then you have to take yourself that water into the WC, alright? Are you better now? No? Seeker: I’m not sure. Shri Mataji: A little cool in the hands? Not yet? No, you come here, I will feel what’s the problem. Hmm. You must see the vibrations coming. Ha? It’s better now. But what is behind here I want to see. You see, the trouble is more with the ??? and they have to get out. Agnya? Now, are you feeling cool breeze in the hands? Let’s see now, now you have been cleared. Sit down. Aaaah! You see the vibrations of this person, just see. Take a bandhan and see for yourself. Turn around. Just see now. Are you lighter now? Coolly is at the back. Feel very good? Marie: I feel a little bit cool on this hand there. Shri Mataji: I mean, we’ve removed this quite a lot. But you won’t be alright till your father is alright because you are catching from him. You see. Our father and mother, both are built within us. Hello, how are you? Good! Good! So nobody is going away without eating, alright? And at the time when you want to give them to eat, you tell him. . And I’m just eating your bhoots all the time! (laughing) Ha! For Me, it’s alright, I’m never hungry. So you have met some friends of his? Marie: Not really, no. Shri Mataji: Hello! How are you? May God bless you! She has not yet come, your wife? Bogdan Shehovych: Not today, she wants to talk to her sister. Shri Mataji: I knew that. She has a big problem. Sit down. See his vibrations. Bogdan : The whole day, I was just cramped here. It was burning in Left Swadishthana. My whole left side was just aching, but I was still in thoughtless awareness, when I was watching TV in the evening I sort of sensed some badha or something coming into superego. I had a sympathetic shock and I ran off to eliminate my bowels. Anyway, I just looked at it. I wasn’t liking it much, but I looked at it and in the morning I was good. But it’s getting irritating. It doesn’t want to stop. Shri Mataji: Now, if I told you about your friend, you would not have been used to that. But you see how terrible they are! Their contamination is so terrible that it is better to know about them. You see, this experience is necessary also, because otherwise how can anybody know? They will think that, “Mataji is telling about everyone like that.” But you see, whatever is a disease or whatever is a contamination, you must know about. Ha! Better now. Heart? Left? Oh God! Just give him a bandhan. All [of] you put your hand on your heart. Right hand on your heart. (1:29 – Hindi conversation with Ravi) Hello, come along! How are you now? Really? You put your right hand there, you take it off. Only with thirteen years, how many times he must have (? lethargy) , isn’t it? And what is he going to do there? Ruin so many people for his ‘treatment’? Bogdan: But he doesn’t know it, he doesn’t care. He doesn’t know it. (?) Anyway, I want to forget him. Shri Mataji: But it is very necessary for anybody who is responsible, that if you do not know something, then you just don’t do it! You must know about what you do. I mean, you just don’t jump into something that is so unknown; I mean, for anyone who feels responsible for his own life and responsible for everything. Isn’t it? You should do what you know, and what you do not know you should not do. I mean, going to that extent without knowing from where he’s getting his powers. Bogdan : He thinks it’s his higher self, his intuition. Shri Mataji: How does he know it is his self? Bodgan Shehovych: He doesn’t know. Shri Mataji: (? Kahata Kabira ananda bhaiyo bhai, bhaje ko anahata ??? As you grow , (?joy, to pulsate, first you established the truth, and then it comes to you as joy. Absolutely like this? Ha! Is it better? Haa! Huun! You can now feel it. Better? (End of tape 1 recording) Tape 2 - 1977-1103 Workshop Part 1 Finchley Ashram … a very good method of getting out of the situation. But now she has to face the reality, so she is refusing this way. Getting into trance is a very good idea, you see, so that you just don’t see the thing. What happened? Something came up? Yogi: No, I felt a ‘tsschh’! Shri Mataji: How are you? Better? Bogdan: Easier. But yesterday, this finger felt like somebody trod on it. (Mother laughs) Shri Mataji: You don’t know [that] it’s a very dangerous thing to catch that finger like that; but because you are a Sahaj Yogi, you don’t feel it. Very dangerous you know, this is the existence itself. On the left hand side this finger is the heart organ itself. The heart organ is left, this finger. Bogdan: So they are affecting the existence, my existence? Shri Mataji: Yes, attacking the existence! Bogdan: Yes. Shri Mataji: And now what you have to do: at that point, who exists there is Shiva and you have to ask for forgiveness from Him, because you’ve done a little mistake, you see. A few things you have done, a mistake. As you said that, “I gave a bandhan to this hand, and he jumped onto that.” But whatever mistakes, you see, there’s a beautiful couplet about Shiva, what’s it? Is, a beautiful one. Mrs. Sharda Devi: Mantra nahi chalega? Om namah Shivaya? Shri Mataji: Mantra nahi. No, no no: om namah Shivaya to thik hai but this shloka on Shiva is very good to show how He is – Karcharankritam. It’s a shloka, it says: Karcharankritam, vaak-kaayajam, karmajam vaa,करचरण कृतं वाक्कायजं कर्मजं वा ।Shravana nayanjam vaa, maansam Vaaparadham,श्रवणनयनजं वा मानसं वापराधं ।Vihitam Avihitam vaa, sarvam etat kshamasva,विहितमविहितं वा सर्वमेतत्क्षमस्व ।jay jay Karunaabdhe, Jay Mahadeva Shambhuजय जय करुणाब्धे जय महादेव शम्भो ॥ (Shloka translation: Whatever mistakes I have done with my hands, feet, voice or body, or any works,Whatever errors born out of my ears, or eyes, or mind, or any sins,By any prescribed or unprescribed actions,Please forgive all of these things,Victory to you the Ocean of Compassion, Shri Mahadev, Shambho) His name is Mahadeva. He’s called Mahadeva. And they call him Shambhu also. So what you say is that: karacharanakritam – by my hands, or by my feet, or by my tongue – vaak kayajam va; or by my karmas, if I have done any mistake please forgive me. And he says that – vhitam avihitam – if I have done correct or incorrect, any way incorrect, whatever I have done, by chance or by mistakes, please forgive me.If I have done anything by my mind – manasam va aparadham – you forgive me. ‘Jaya jaya’ means you sing the glory of Him, because You are the ocean of compassion – He’s known as Karunasagara, He’s known as the ocean of compassion, Karunabdhe, who? The Shiva. The Shiva aspect of God is karuna, and you ask for it. You have to hold your ears and ask for forgiveness, that, forgive me, if I have, by any mistakes, said anything, or done anything, You just forgive me. Now remove your [hands] from the other side now, you put like this. You remove and put like this, yes. It’s ok now. Because He’s in the heart, and we are always making mistakes. It is our ego which doesn’t make us ask for forgiveness. Because it is said that, “Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them, those who trespass against us.” So the first part is “forgive us our trespasses” is at the heart level, but when you come to the Agnya, then you say that, “As we forgive them, those that trespass against us.” then your Agnya is released. First of all you ask for forgiveness, and you then forgive here, so that both the chakras are relieved. See? Hold your ears, all of you. Start! Come along! Do it like this! First of all like this! Then go on like this; then again like this; then you put your hands like this. But with the feeling that you are asking for forgiveness. How it improves, just see: how it relaxes. Are you feeling better now? Seeker: I’m good.Shri Mataji: You too hold your ears. Ask for forgiveness from God, for that, all kinds of things, whatever you have done. Hold it like this! Hold this portion (the earlobe) like this, with this finger here; hold it, pull it down, yes. Now push it on the other side, and ask for forgiveness: forgive us! (Mother takes the mantra – “Aham sakshat Karunanidhi”, meaning “I am the Ocean of Compassion”)Karunanidhi…Aham sakshat Karunanidhi, Aham sakshat Karunanidhi, Aham sakshat Karunanidhi, Aham sakshat…Haaa! Alright? Seeker: Yes.Shri Mataji: Haaaaa! It’s good now. Now on the Agnya. On the Agnya it has come, see now. Everybody’s Kundalini is on the Agnya. Now, on the Agnya you [must] forgive others. Now will you forgive, for today? If you don’t forgive, all of us are going to catch the thing. You just say, “I forgive. Alright, I forgive.” Say like that, alright? You should all say. You should say in your hearts that, “We forgive everyone. Those who have tortured or troubled us, forgive.” Sharda, you too! Mrs. Sharda Devi: Yes Mata. Today I really was very upset. (?) Shri Mataji: Now you forget; forgive, forgive, forgive! Forgive, just forgive! That’s going to give you the Agnya.Ravi: Mai, aap bolte me ki mai us ko waise chod do (6.00 ???) Shri Mataji: Abhi chod do tum! Responsibility tumhari nahi! (Hindi: Now leave it! It’s not your responsibility!) Forgive! Responsibility tumhari nahi! Kya karne tha? (Hindi: What to do?) Ravi: Us ka tabiyat itna karab hai, usko phone ek bar karega. Shri Mataji: Abhi, wo apne karma … (??) Ravi: Ha ji, magar, kya me mere sath rehesetao, I mean, can I live with my conscience. Shri Mataji: Conscience is the point, you see. ???? anadhikar cheshta hai na tumhari. Anadhikar cheshta ho jayega. Abhi dekho, abhi ek admi hai…there’s a man, who’s trying to murder, supposing, him. And he comes and asks Me, “Mataji, have you seen Bogdan?” Now, this is anadhikar, unauthorized. I am not to tell him. That’s not my job. See that? You cannot correct him. Ravi: No, I can’tShri Mataji: Then forget it. Because that’s the only way you can save him. Otherwise, you’ll be harming yourself. You leave it to Me. Can’t you do that? That’s all, that’s all, you save yourself.Ravi: Because it becomes very difficult when he comes and says, “O mere beta” (Oh my son…) Shri Mataji: But, you leave it to Me. Decide on that. You have to react. There’s a very good story of Radha and Krishna, on this point [regarding] what is sin and what is not a sin, for Her. And punya is the opposite of sin, what should we sad? [in English]? What did you take out the word ‘punya’ Gavin? Sheila (from Harrow): Opposite of sin?Shri Mataji:Opposite of sin. Sheila (from Harrow): Virtue.Shri Mataji: No, but virtue, no, but the blessing that you get out of virtue.Yogis: GraceShri Mataji: But grace is like a force, isn’t it? But graces, you can say blessings.Mrs. Sharda Devi: But there’s no equivalent word.Shri Mataji: Equivalent is not there, alright, about, about the same – as if you accumulate that.Yogi: Merit.Mrs Sharda Devi: But you see, here ‘merit’ is not like, suppose a person comes first in the class you say ‘merit’. Shri Mataji: Spiritual, spiritual. You can say, ‘Spiritual merit’ : spiritual merits that you have achieved. Punyas, are spiritual merits that you have achieved, alright?Ravi: Because otherwise, merit seems to imply a sense of competition.Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Yes, yes. So this is the spiritual merit you can say, that you have achieved. Punyas, I will use the word ‘punya’ you see, so that I don’t have to use that.So, there was a thing: how to get punyas, you see. Like, this boy is in a conflict: what should he do about his father? What should you do about somebody like that? So I said, “Leave it to Me. Just forget about it. Right now, leave it to God. We’ll manage everything.” But now, when I say that this is so, then one may say that, “What about the punyas?” You see? What about the merit that you have to achieve in spiritual life – whatever happens to that? There’s a very nice story about Radha and Krishna, is a very nice one, it’s symbolic. When Krishna went away to Dwarika as a king, Radha stayed back with gopis and gopas, her followers and, She stayed there. She didn’t go with Him, She stayed down. And Krishna, being a politician – so, you see, He’s the Divine politician – and He had to do lots of things by which He had to move in a way that would give sort of protection to many women who were arrested by one horrible king. And these women He liberated from that prison. And when He brought them , everybody started saying to these women that, “You are not married to Him, and He’s using you just for His purpose.” You see, in those days also there were horrible people. So He then said to them, “Alright, you are all married to me, I am your husband.” You see, He is a God. You should understand that, when He says that, it’s a very different thing because He doesn’t commit any sin. He being God, He doesn’t commit any sin. He doesn’t touch them, nothing. But for the sake that, after all, relationship is that He’s the God; and that He is the one who has married them, so that nobody can say about these women that, “How is it that you are staying with that man, and how is it that He’s not using you? How is it possible? Under what relationship you are together?” So, at that time, once, it so happened, He had also another five wives. The first one was Rukmini. And these are all, actually, the five elements [which] are described. Five elements, are symbolic. And these sixteen thousand women are the nadis, are the centres, the nerve centres from the Vishuddhi Chakra. Because He has sixteen [sub-]chakras, you see; so sixteen-thousand: there are sixteen into thousand of the Sahasrara – sixteen-thousand nadis. It’s the symbolic style, which you should understand. So you see, one day what happened, this Narada, who is the one who creates problems from here to hell, he comes and tells these women that, “You see, He doesn’t love you. He really only loves Radha, and that is His wife, and She is everything to Him and that is Her power. You all are good for nothing! He doesn’t care for you, it is She only He cares for!” So they said, “How do you know this?” He said, “You go and ask Him.” So they came and asked Him, “Do you really love us, or you love Her only? You do not love us fully, You only love Her.” And like that, you see, they were saying. So He said, “Oh God! I have got a terrible pain in my stomach now!” He was a diplomat, He used to play diplomacy. “It’s a very bad pain in the stomach and I don’t know how to get cured.” So they said, “Is there no cure?” He said, “There is a cure: one cure is that you take out the dust of your feet and put on my head, then I’ll be alright.” “That’s too much…” (break in recording) “…because you are trying to take out our punyas!” Because if you take out [from] our feet, I mean, you are not even supposed to put your feet towards Him, “and here you want to take out the dust and put on Your head? This is very nice! Not [only] that you don’t love us, but also you want to take out our punyas and that’s why you are doing these things, and we are not going to give you the dust of our feet.” So He was very, very naughty I should say, but the pain would not go! So He said, “Now from where to get the dust of their feet?” So He went to His disciples and bhaktas as they call it [and] they said, “No, how can we do that?” “But He said He wants it, so what’s the harm in giving?” They said, “No, no, we can’t do that. We can’t give away our punyas. How can we lose our merits? How can we?” So, then He said, “You’d better go to Radha and ask.” So Narada went to Radha; She was in Vrindavan, far away. He went there, and he said that - you see, … it’s all attention moving, you see, it’s all attention. Narada is also a character that creates problems out of everything: within ourselves, this is all yourself I am describing, within yourself. So he went to Radha, and he said, “Radha, there’s a problem.” She said, “What is it?” He said, “Krishna is very sick.” She said, “Why? What’s the matter with Him? Why should He be sick? I hope He’s not making fun of you or something?” He said, “No, He’s very sick, and He’s go stomach pain.” She said, “What stomach pain? Then what’s the solution, He said?” He said, “You must bring the dust of the feet of my disciples or anyone like that, or my wife. If you bring that, then only I will have to put it on my head, or I will eat it. Otherwise, I will not be alright.” She sat down, She said, “Take my dust from my feet.” He said, “What!? Are you not afraid your punyas will be lost?” She said, “No, not at all! You’d better take immediately and take it and give it to Him!” So when he took the dust to Her, you see the Vrindavan soil is absolutely yellowish, like the saffron colour, you see, it’s a very yellowish kind of a soil. So Krishna saw that, and He ate part of it. So Narada said, “Are you alright?” He said, “Yes, I’m alright.” Still Narada was wondering, he said, “But one thing I could not understand, this Radha has no wisdom. She doesn’t bother about Her punyas!” He said, “You better go and ask Her why didn’t She bother about Her punyas? Why did she do that?” So He said, “Alright.” He took that dust in His hand, He said, “Alright, smell the dust.” You can ask Her by smelling the dust. So, the fragrance of lotus, a beautiful lotus, he felt; in the lotus was sitting Radha and lotus was in the heart of Shri Krishna. So he asked Radha, “How is it? Why did you allow your punyas to be taken?” So She said, “See, my feet are in the heart on the lotus. Where He is, He’s kept me in the lotus of His heart. I’m touching Him with my feet everything, now how am I to do punyas and papas? How can I do sin and punyas. I mean, you just see now: He is the One who makes me do all these things, He’s the One who carries, so why should I worry? He’s doing everything! Why should I worry?” And that is what it is. You see, it’s a myth that, “This is my duty, this is my…” – is a myth. Alright? Ravi: No, but the way I looked at it was that the only thing that’s going to dissuade him from ????Shri Mataji: The best duty you can do is to bring him down in a way, that you bring him to my notice, that’s the best way, to my attention, that’s all. Because now, your ego and superego is going down, you are no more yourself, so how do you have a father like that? You are not responsible [for him]. Bring him to my notice, I work it out. Alright? … Ha!! I want to make you strong enough that you can face many more like him later on. First of all straighten yourself. You see, you and (?name) have to teach her two children to come up, isn’t it? (?...) This is for you Bogdan, for both of you.Bogdan: For everyone?Shri Mataji: Yes.Bogdan: I don’t know, there’s ten there. There’s ten.Shri Mataji: You have five for yourself, five for your wife. She needs much more than you need, take it from me, because she’s combining with them, that’s why. She’s acting according to what they have said, so it’s more dangerous. Because you are going against it, that’s why you are feeling it. Better?Seeker: Alright.Shri Mataji: Alright, you get up. (? name) for him, this one is for him. Yes, you will feel much better tomorrow. Tell him what is to be done.Seeker: Thank you.Shri Mataji: , Now what else? Who else is there? Come along! Come here! Sit down, sit down! Take him that side. Michael, let him sit down! Put your right hand on the (?ground).Better? How is it? Bring water for him, let him sit down for a while. Now, what’s her name?Bogdan: Sheila.Shri Mataji: Sheila, now God has been very kind to you, you have to master the Kundalini, and you have to learn everything, alright? Maureen, Pat, all of them know all about it. So, you must learn it. Where do you live?Sheila: Harrow.Shri Mataji: I know Harrow.Yogi: It’s in the North West (of London).Sheila: But Mataji, I might not be clean inside.Yogi: She said she may not be pure. She said she may not be pure.Shri Mataji: So you have to learn methods of cleaning yourself, alright? (talking to Mrs. Devi) Right side Vishuddhi problem…Haaaa! Ha! Krishna ka koi aata ki nahi? Shloka ka ek Krishna ka? Krishna ka vandan (वन्दना: praise). (Hindi: Have you any Krishna shloka or praise?) Harmonium me.Mrs Sharda Devi: Harmonium me? (Hindi: On harmonium) Shri Mataji: Because you know. If you want to go to the false gurus, if you do not, there won’t be the weakness. That Mandy, I’m worried about her much more than I’m worried about you [Bogdan].Bogdan: She doesn’t seem to be able to be accepting what’s happened, you know. I keep telling her that You are offering a jewel, moksha, you know, this is what You are doing, and it’s still not getting through.Shri Mataji: She’s absolutely [the] blasted type! You know, what has happened is that, whatever were in you, went into her, blasted her brain completely; sort of her brain doesn’t think. Do you understand?Bogdan: Yes.Shri Mataji: It doesn’t go, I mean, the intelligence part is missing, now there. Nothing goes into the brain!Bogdan: She has being in thoughtless awareness this morning, but I don’t know. She was in thoughtless awareness.Shri Mataji: In the morning?Bogdan: …after we got up from sleep. We started talking because I’ve written to her parents that I want to marry her, You see, and her sister just came in to say that, she’s a bit worried about what’s happening, and she listens to her sister.Shri Mataji: Sister is good!Bogdan: But she doesn’t want to know anything of this, she’s not interested.Shri Mataji: Is it?Bogdan: No, her sister doesn’t want to know.Shri Mataji: She might also have a badha in her, God knows.Bogdan: It’s possible. You know, everyone is taking drugs there, so God knows what happens in the subconscious.Shri Mataji: You should see her. Did she get Realisation?Bogdan: She wouldn’t take her shoes off.Shri Mataji: Just imagine! Ha. Here they will give five-hundred pounds to someone and they won’t even take out shoes! Just imagine, how much liberties they take with Me! Isn’t it? You said she was a good girl and something.Bogdan: Yeah, very loving family. I mean, she’s never been interested in religion or finding this. It hasn’t been her way to do this.Shri Mataji: Then such people cannot. I mean, if you are not knocking at the door, God is not going to fall at your feet that, “Knock at my Door!” You have to ask for it.Bogdan: Can you keep limes and lemons for more than seven days, I mean, has it got to be exactly seven days or more than seven days?Shri Mataji: No, better after seven days throw away, then we’ll have another set.Bogdan: Because I can’t remember whether I’ve had them for six nights or seven nights. (laughter)Mrs Sharda Devi: You can make a note in your diary or something.Shri Mataji: No, it’s alright. It doesn’t matter. Koi farak nahi (कोई फर्क नहीं : doesn’t matter). Better thing is to have them for about six, seven days: makes no difference. Mrs. Sharda Devi: This is a Krishna sloka describing him from Bhagavat.Shri Mataji: From?Mrs. Sharda Devi: Bhagavat. Shri Mataji: Eh?Sharda Devi: Bhagavat.Shri Mataji: Ha. (Mrs. Sharda Devi starts the Krishna sloka as requested by Shri Mataji) Shri Mataji: Wa, ha! Awaz kaise liye tumhara! (Hindi: What a voice you have!)Wa, wa. (27.15 ) Sara Vishuddhi kati atowka. Everybody’s Vishuddhi opened out?Yogi: It’s come up here.Shri Mataji: Agnya?See how it’s opening out! Ha! (Sharda Devi starts another song, “Ganga Jamuna nirmala pani”) Shri Mataji: Good, the Vishuddhi? Everybody is good? It’s saying that let’s go to the River Ganges and the Yamuna. Let us go because the water of the river is so pure that let this mind be taken there, where it can clean. Sing something of Subramaniam! (possibly because of the T.M. people in attendance, as Shri Kartikeya is the destroyer of Narakasura) (Sharda Devi sings a song of Shri Subramaniam) Shri Mataji: Now, if you say Lord’s Prayer thrice, the Agnya will be cleared out. (Yogis say Lord’s prayer three times as per Shri Mataji’s instructions) We can have that Sabko Dua Dena, so if you come here. That day you sang together. All of us can say that, then we can have…Sabko dua dena should we have? Come along!Hmm. Very good now. Everybody’s opened up very much, isn’t it?Put the aarti of Ganesha first, then we can do that. I think Sharda, [if] you translate to them, would be better.Sharda Devi: Yes.Shri Mataji: If you just tell them clearly. (Sharda Devi translates the aarti) For the sake of relieving all the sufferings of humanity you have taken birth so many times, come on this earth in different capacities...“Vishva me teri mahima” The whole universe knows about your greatness. (Mother laughs)“Tu hai Ganga Jamuna” You are Ganga and Jamuna. Actually here they are saying, Ganga, Jamuna, means all the oceans, everything, all creations, She Herself is embodied in everything. Then “Jo bhi sharan me aya, sukh hi mila usko” Anyone who came (surrendered) to Your Feet they only saw happiness and joy. “Baitha ka dil me o Ma, laut ke na jana” So, You have sat in my heart, so You are not going to leave us and You cannot go. (Now that You have sat in our hearts, Mother, do not ever go away) “Man me avatara ke, kar diya ujjiyala” You have brought light to darkness (by incarnating amongst us) So You have lit the whole universe. “Kaliyuga me maya hai, phir bhi pehchana ma” In spite of the confusion of this world we have been able to recognise You “Santa jano ki dharati, hai bharata mata”“Is dharati par aake, dukha se dura karana” All the sorrows that You have come on this earth in India; You are relieving all the sorrows and sufferings.“Jab dil me aye tab, madhu sangeet suna lo” Shri Mataji: Whenever you feel like, you can listen to my sweet music.“Hoya sake jo seva, ham se kara lena” Sharda Devi: Now you understand? Shri Mataji: Just come in now.Sharda Devi: Chalo, let’s start now! Shri Mataji: How are you? Everybody is cleared. Still quite a lot?Hello! How are you? May God bless you. One minute, let Me put him right, then you do it (aarti). (Mother seems to be working on someone who has just arrived or giving them bandhan before the aarti)How are you? Yogini: …but it was a serial pain and it was so strong that I couldn’t take it anymore, and then I woke up, and it was very, very interesting. And it was so that I couldn’t take it anymore – Vishuddhi, something came out. Shri Mataji: Better now. That’s the place. Your mantra was ‘ram’ mantra, isn’t it? He had given you a ‘ram’ mantra? Which one? Yogini: Shriram. Shri Mataji: Ha, Shriram. That’s on the heart. But the fellow (possession) has left you now. Just imagine! ‘Shri Ram’ name. ‘Shri’ lagake! Himmat dekho un logon kya! See, they give the name to the devil ‘Ram’ but even ‘Shriram’ they give! It’s very much daring on his part. And then, what do you think – should I forgive such people?Australian Yogi: All this trouble from one bear-hug!Shri Mataji: Never go near these spiritual people, you see, that’s what I was saying. And the first day he was arguing a little bit for him.Australian Yogi: I’m sure he’s learnt his lesson now, though! Shri Mataji: (Shri Mataji is laughing)You, yourself, will realise how terrible these people are, gradually. Now many are cured [so] if one person comes from the Transcendental one you will immediately know – terrible! Now he came from Transcendental: everybody was [feeling] so heavy with his catches! (Shri Mataji is laughing) Now you will realise how terrible things have happened to you. Hello! How have you been? Seeker: Fine.Shri Mataji: Oh, that’s good, good; that’s very good, excellent! Thank God! Bogdan: ... Mandy’s period pain, you know she stopped contraception about four months ago, and she had problems here when You put Your Feet on, You put Your this part, she’s normal now. Shri Mataji: Normal now. But she has got something in her mind now, you know! Bogdan: Well, yes. That’s more important, I guess. Shri Mataji: Her intelligence is completely blasted! She doesn’t understand anything! You don’t catch from her! Give her a bandhan and ask her to beat herself as you beat yourself, every day. You tell her that, “You have to be alright!” And keep away from the sister for the time being, maybe she is also possessed as well.Bogdan: It’s hard because we live in the same house. Shri Mataji: But you are not practising anything now? Bogdan: I was never practising. Shri Mataji: You did your medicine? Bogdan: Oh, You mean as a professional? Shri Mataji: Ha. Bogdan: No, not anymore. You know, I was thinking about taking it up, but I’d like to know more about this full time. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. That’s the best. That way it’s good you are not practising, otherwise it would have been that you weren’t a seeker. You see, that means you are more malleable, isn’t it? Bogdan: There’s always a chance of catching things from patients, I guess. Shri Mataji: I’m sorry? Yogi: He said, “There’s always a chance of catching things from patients.” Shri Mataji: Very much! And ego, ego is the main part, you know. If you become a regular doctor, you become very egoistical – very badly egoistical. Aaaah! Here she comes! Before the thing, we needed her very much, isn’t it? Come along! How are you? Yogi: I’m well, thank You! Shri Mataji: Oh, good! Now all of you have to master this. Cleanse yourselves, as you said; yes, you have to cleanse yourselves. And how to cleanse it you know: to sit before the photograph, put your hands towards the photograph; if you don’t get proper breeze then put your feet in the water, give yourself bandhan; put your mind on the watch: see how it works. If there are waves of negativity coming into you: sometimes bad thoughts, desires, all kind of things come in; so, put another anti-waves on that, and say that, “Not this. Not this.” And you should say that, “I’m so fortunate that I have got this. Now I’m going to retain it, and I’m going to go higher and higher. I’m not going to lose it anymore now. I’ve been searching it and searching it all my lives, so you, my mind, please keep quiet now! You have never helped me. You took me to wrong directions and wrong things. And now I have come to the right place, now you don’t try to divert my attention!” And it’s a horse: if you master it, he knows where you have to go. You see, the horse also sees whether you want to eat grass or what you want to do. If you don’t want to be careful about it, then it goes all over. That’s how you steady your mind and tell your mind that, “I’m going to go deep into it.” You are going to work it out. And if you work out even for a month in the right earnestness, you’ll settle down in a very proper place. And then you have to give it to others, you have to save others, because you must know how serious it is. These are seekers who have taken birth many a times before, have been seeking, but this is the end of it, and you are going to be reborn. And you are going to stand by it. If you just take it like a, “Oh, just this for me, it’s very good. I’m feeling nice,” then you have not done any justice to yourself or to others! You shouldn’t take it for granted! You have to give it to others. If you do not give it to others, you cannot go deep down. You have to hollow yourself. The hollowness comes by giving. The more you give, the more it flows. You see, we have so many in Bombay, even in London we have. At least fifty people, maybe more, who have got Realisation, even when I was not having a programme. But they just do not go further with it, then they catch, then this thing happens, then this has happened, that has happened – what’s the use? You have to establish yourself. After establishment, you must give, after all, why did you get it? For a purpose, and the purpose is to give, and save others. There are thousands and thousands of people who are in a terrible mess, in a terrible mess, and they are going to be destroyed. And you will be held responsible for their destruction because you are the pillars, and you have to look after them: like the pillars of a bridge, so you have to stand up. It’s not a thing just you take it, “Oh, what’s it? After all, I have got it, I am happy! This is that.” Not that way. And your doubtless awareness will also…. (break in recording) …most surprising thing is, you see, when you go to a guru he makes you stand on your heads or do this and that, makes you pay money and do all kinds of things to him. Here I work hard on you, and it’s I put in all the effort. Then, what you should do? Is to give Me what? Is to give Me My children back, those who are lost; look after them, be kind to them. As you are, they are also seekers. Do not neglect them, and do not run away from them. In the beginning you’ll be [a] little frightened: you wouldn’t like to do much about them, but don’t be afraid. One thing Bogdan, I’ll tell you, your friend is not a seeker. Bogdan: No? Shri Mataji: No. Bogdan: He’s not my friend anymore. Shri Mataji: Good. Bogdan: I had a dream last night where I was somewhere up there, and I was sitting here, and I said, “Don’t touch me! I don’t want to have anything to do with you!” Shri Mataji: Hmm? Bogdan: I had a dream and I don’t know where I was, but I was sitting there at the table with many other people and him, and he was sitting next to me and I just said, “I don’t want you to touch me and I don’t want you to sit near me. Then he touched me on the foot….and then I think I was with You, I was like a small child, and I was looking up at You, and I was sitting to the left of You, smiling. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Bogdan: In the continuation of the dream, I was a small child looking up to You, and You were talking to me and smiling. Shri Mataji: Oh. What’s his name? Bogdan: Taras. Shri Mataji: Taurus? T-a-u-r-u-s? Bogdan: No, T-a-r-a-s. Shri Mataji: T-a-r-a-s. Bogdan: That’s his first name. Shri Mataji: What’s the surname? Bogdan: Chertan Shri Mataji: Chertan? Cherban? (Sounds like Mother, or someone, is shoe beating him.) Ha! Chertana shadit ?? These spiritualists are sitting in every third house in London! Anywhere you go there is a spiritualist sitting, they are doing planchas, they are doing spiritual curing, they are doing pentecostals, all sorts of nonsense going on in the name of Christ! You have to awaken to it. It’s a very dangerous thing that’s going on. It’s a big war between the satanic and The Divine, and you have to rise. Mediocres are of no use, no! You have to come up. Sheila: But Mataji, what do you do if you are living in the same house as somebody who has got positively evil vibrations, and you can’t leave? Shri Mataji: You put a bandhan to him. They will teach you how to do it. Bandhan, you put a bandhan. What is the relationship? Sheila: He’s my husband. (laughter) It’s as bad as that. Shri Mataji: Take some kumkum and sprinkle it. There are so many things they can do. Alright? But don’t pay attention much to him, then he will be better. Sheila: I don’t. Shri Mataji: Good. What does he drink a lot? Sheila: No, but he’s ?? in all kind of ways. He’s really messed up. Shri Mataji: Then why don’t you bring limes for him. Sheila: Well, I didn’t know I’ve got to. Shri Mataji: Oh, I’ll give you one, today, out of these limes. Can you bring Me a lime? You take a lime today and place under his pillow, can you? Sheila: Yes, I can, but he might find it. Shri Mataji: He may find it? Sheila: What about under the mattress? Shri Mataji: That’s better. Sheila: Otherwise, he’ll think I’m doing witchcraft on him! Yogi: You are! Sheila: Oh, you, stop it! Shri Mataji: You see, it’s a witchcraft in the sense that you make all the witches your slaves and ask them to get out of there! Horrible! You should not go near them! Why should we bother about these dead spirits? Hah, is it alright? Bogdan: Sometimes, you know, feeling the left heart. Shri Mataji: Not now. Then? Bogdan: What happened yesterday was quite a drama. Shri Mataji: Oh? Bogdan: Yesterday night, I thought, “Oh no! Please go away!” Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Anything you tell me, all these things, I smile and laugh, you know, but actually that’s the only way you can get over these things: I mean, it’s nice that you do not see the seriousness of it: terrible those! Terrible things. How many of them are?? in these groups? You are better now? You are better I.V.? Is he better? Yogi: Yes, he’s better. Bogdan: It is certainly better than when I came in. Shri Mataji: Yes, put your hand there, wherever it is. Yogi: It’s much better now. Lady: Is it not always building up again the negative vibrations? Is it not always coming again? Shri Mataji: Yes, they do. Because it’s like this, you can say: an aeroplane which is not fully alright, it doesn’t fly very high up. It goes up, comes down, goes up. So we have to repair you completely, alright? So it comes down. But you will avoid all that. Anything coming like that, all these sorts of [things, you should say], “Get away! We don’t want this, we have had enough of this!” They’ll go away. Alright? You have to say positively, “We don’t want any.” Lady: Will it be alright then, one day, steadily? Shri Mataji: Not so much, but to some extent it does go down sometimes. But when you know how to protect yourself, and when you know how to meditate, you always rise higher and higher. And sometimes you are surprised, the way you are matured – the things are. How are you, David now? Alright? Good! Now you are not afraid of them so much. David: No, very catchy today, but I didn’t bother, you know. Shri Mataji: Good! I am very happy. And they went away? Then they didn’t bother you much? David: Well, they went away when I left the place, but when I came down the road I felt everybody had got much better. Shri Mataji: How was your trouble? Your hands and things, are they better? David: Well, I think I’ll have to stop working in the things... Shri Mataji: Actually, it’s like a reaction on. There’s like a blistering, as you get: if you put your hands on some people, you may get a little bit of a blister. In the same way, it is. That’s not a place for you at all. David: No, I don’t think so. Shri Mataji: You’ll go mad! Just don’t do anything there. Better get out! Imagine to put you there of all the things! Just look at their brains. Now this boy has suffered mentally, everything, and they put him with whom? Is the incurables! Yogi: No, he went there himself. Shri Mataji: You went yourself? David: I went myself, yes, but they interviewed me. Shri Mataji: They should have told you not to go there. They are creating more incurables then, if they do like this. You see, a person who is mentally sick should be taken to a place…what’s that? Yogi: It’s a present from David. Shri Mataji: Present my!? David: Oh, just something simple. Shri Mataji: What’s that? Shouldn’t buy presents for Me! David: I didn’t buy it. Shri Mataji: You didn’t buy, alright. I tell you what, I have to give lots of presents to you. When I have finished with my presents, then you start giving Me. (Mother opens the present) Is it a perfume? David: Oh, you weren’t meant to open it in front of everyone, it’s only water. Shri Mataji: Good, very beautiful. It’s beautiful! I love it. It is perfumed already. If you want, you can see. (Laughter) That’s why I opened it. Alright? If you want to see the perfume, you can have a look. (Laughter) Beautiful perfume. And it will take away all your badhas. See, after all, how the perfume is created in this world, do you know that? Perfume is the essence of Mother Earth, and what is that, is the love. Anything you give Me with love will have perfume. And anybody who thinks about Me, then, he will be perfumed, and the perfume will show that I am with you. Alright? (1:13) Tape 3 - 1977-11-03 Workshop Part 3 cut Finchley Ashram, 67' Lady: Now what is the (?karma) that allow these people which gives so much disturbance to the human beings, they must be very bad. Shri Mataji: Satan! You see, as the God has to give you love and joy and happiness, they have to give you all the unhappiness. They are sadists. They enjoy that. If you can understand a sadist of the cruellest way, they are that. Lady: But how could that appear in the Creation. Shri Mataji: That’s the problem. What happens is that, at a certain stage, human beings are given a freedom. At this evolutionary stage of human beings that they choose bad. You see, this is the main point. Lady: Yeah, but how to make the rights in the world then? Shri Mataji: And because you are free to choose between the two. Lady: No, but if you say ‘Satanic powers’ then they must get their powers… Shri Mataji: They are not powers, I don’t call them powers. They are not powers. They should not be called as powers. Lady: But how can they exist in a perfect Creation. Shri Mataji: They can! You see, the thing is, I tell you: if you see in a car, there’s a brake and an accelerator, alright? So the brake has to work also. You go to a point of indiscrimination, then you have to be thrown out; there should be some way of expulsion. Actually, it’s the excretion of the Virat. And there has to be excretion. The whole thing has to be seen at this stage: where are they these people, where are you people. There are devatas on the right-hand side, there are ganas on the left-hand side. I am making you sit here, and now it is for you people to put the balance. Oh, God! How can I eat so much! Marie: What You don’t eat, you can give to other people as Prasad. Shri Mataji: I think you [should] give Bogdan to read Gregoire’s book so that… ?? thinks he’s more powerful than Gregoire’s is. So he also sees these things coming. If all the time eating them, I must say. This is such a lot. How can I eat? They are not eating at all! All of you can go and eat. Yogi: There’s a big crowd of them, there’s no room there. Shri Mataji: Now how are you? Feeling better? Yogi: Erm, I still have tensions. Shri Mataji: Too much? Yogi: A lot. Yogini: Actually Mataji I have to go soon. Shri Mataji: Get her something to eat. What will you have? What should I give you? Alright. Yogini: Thank you. Vince Lindsay: Mataji, there are so many teachers, You know, swamis, sages etcetera, etcetera, how are we to know who are good and who are bad? Shri Mataji: You have to use your brains all the time. For example, it’s very easy to flout Mahesh Yogi. You should ask him, and he must tell you, how does he do, what is the system behind it; by taking the name, how it works out; how can it be. Better ask him. It’s not written in the books at all that by taking somebody’s name you become trance. He doesn’t talk of God, he doesn’t talk of Christ. How does he relate himself to Christ? After all, it was not created to be a waste. Are they all wasted? Mohammed Sahib, Christ is wasted? Everybody wasted? Only this Mahesh yogi is the only person? Use your brains. Vince Lindsay: You see it’s only in the later writings of Mahesh yogi that he’s not mentioned God because his system is orientated towards businessmen etc. But in the early days he did speak of God. Shri Mataji: You see, actually they come out in their true spirits. You should say, “You are inconsistent! How you started with God and how you finished it off.” Because h whatever I said the first day, I must say today also. Use your brains! How can you change? “In the beginning you used it as a camouflage, how can you give up God now?” Vince Lindsay: … he explains, You see, I’m sorry I persist, but I still have the ?? from Maharishi, you see, although I’m here through Raj. But, the way it is explained now is because not enough people were coming to meditation because they are not attracted to the spiritual thing, You know, the spiritual side of it. But the way he has explained it is that the end is justified by the means. So if it means that more people would come to meditation and perhaps spiritual understanding without the mention of [God]. Shri Mataji: But this is great for him to say all this! He’s handling thousands of people! He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. How can you depend on a man like that? A captain: the ship doesn’t know, perhaps the ship may go this way or that way! You see, if you listen to him, it’s so insulting. You can find him out, in no time you can find them out, very easy. Vince Lindsay: The thing is you never get the chance to talk to him. Shri Mataji: This is maintained! He never talks to anyone. Vince Lindsay: Only his teachers. Shri Mataji: You know, I asked somebody who is a very close relation of ours and a very big man. I asked him, “Do you talk to him?” He said, “No! Whenever I talk to him, I am drunk.” Nanaka said you should not drink. Everybody said you should not drink. Even Christ in a way. Moses was told not to drink. Everywhere it is known that it goes against awareness. Then how is it [when] he calls himself ‘Transcendental Consciousness’ and how can it be ‘consciousness’ which goes against it. Every one of his disciples can drink, can do what they like, they can have three girlfriends or ten girlfriends, makes no difference: that means whole of Bible is wrong, Koran is wrong, Gita is wrong, all shastras are wrong? Is only … Vince Lindsay: He has done a translation of the first six chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. Shri Mataji: And what is so difficult [in that] ? Vince Lindsay: Oh, no, I’m not saying it is difficult. Shri Mataji: No, but what I’m saying [is that] that’s what they did. In the beginning even Rajneesh started talking about God, you will be amazed. In the beginning they wrote. How do you make out a thief? When he comes out in his two colours! Not when he is camouflaged. They have to camouflage. Now, if I’m saying today something, and after ten years if I say something else, you must understand. There’s something wrong, this is inconsistent. Vince Lindsay: Yes. Shri Mataji: And a person who’s supposed to be the spiritual leader at least should not be inconsistent, minimum of minimum. Then his own personal life: so much interested in money! How can a person? (?Can he? That took), away other people’s money! It’s a big organisation: he’s got some of the big bureaucrats from India employed by him. Mrs Devi: One of my relatives also, he’s one of America’s greatest scientists, my niece’s husband – he’s running around him. Shri Mataji: And K.B. Lall! Of all the persons, I cannot imagine a man like him. He’s such a brilliant man, he’s all been befooled by him. And I asked him what did you talk to him? And he said, “No, whenever I talk to him, I’m drunk.” He drinks a lot himself now he’s started drinking so much this man, and also he’s become so hot-tempered , ask him. Mrs. Sharda Devi: I’ll show you my ?? letter, which a very well known lady in Belgium has written. I’m so glad he’s left our country. Shri Mataji: He was a very nice, sweet tempered person. Seeker: You see, myself, all I got was good from it when I was doing it. When I was doing T.M. I had good experiences, I felt very good. Shri Mataji: Felt very good? The reason, I’ll tell you, why he felt good. That is true, you feel good in a way. In a way, you do. That’s the camouflage. What happens [is] a spirit comes into you. It’s like you see, if somebody gets drunk, he will say, “I felt very good with the drink.” It’s something like that. You see, somebody else takes over from you, you are not yourself, so you feel nice. To be yourself, without Realisation, is a difficult situation. Seeker: When can we know that we do not have a spirit in us? Shri Mataji: You will know, now, see. If you had a spirit, you would see yourself, separated. Start seeing the spirit separated, absolutely. You will see, and now you will know how to face that. That’s what it is. You will not only know that, but you will know all obstructions within you and you will cleanse also. This is Self-realisation: k It’s to know yourself absolutely: where is the spirit which is come into us. Gavin: I was trying to reason that answer out: the first thing is that you can feel your own chakras and your own centres, and you can tell whether you are alright or not, that’s the first thing. Shri Mataji: First thing. Gavin: The second thing is that you get collective consciousness. In other words, you can feel what other people’s chakras are like. And once it starts that you can really recognise that this is fact, that you are feeling their chakras, and you can tell that this is their Agnya that is blocked, and it ties up because they’ve been to T.M. or it ties up because they wear glasses, or it ties up because they don’t forgive their parents for having a fight, then you know that you’ve got collective consciousness. Shri Mataji: The proof is there! Of course, absolutely. Absolutely. Gavin: The first thing is that you can feel your own chakras. Shri Mataji: The first thing for a child also! Anybody! Now you are feeling your own chakras, you see for yourself: now feel which finger is burning. Seeker: Burning? Shri Mataji: Ha, burning. Are you getting cool breeze? Seeker: Slight. Shri Mataji: But there’s an obstruction that you are feeling on one finger or two fingers? Seeker: It’s feeling here. Shri Mataji: Absolutely! That is Mahesh Yogi! Left Agnya, the left-hand side and the superego. Yogi: Heart. Seeker: And what does that mean? Shri Mataji: Heart. This is heart: heart organ itself. What is the mantra he gave? What mantra he gave you? Seeker: I’m not really supposed to reveal it. I’m not really supposed to speak it out. Yogi: He says he’s not supposed to speak it out. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, you tell Me. Better tell Me that mantra. Seeker: Umbium. Shri Mataji: Umbium? Mrs Devi: Somebody else also had the same mantra. Shri Mataji: Umbium, yes, he gives it. That’s the name of a devil. Umbium is a mantra…is the left-hand side, on the heart. Left, left side, that’s why you are catching on the left. Seeker: Was it given to help that? Was the mantra given to help that? Shri Mataji: Now supposing he gives you a real mantra of Rama, alright? Take it like that. He’s a devil, and he’s not supposed to do all that. Alright, first of all you’ll bend your head before him and take the mantra, accept it, now you start using that, without authority. Without authority, if you try to meet someone who is so high as that, even queen, you cannot meet her. And if you enter into it, you will be caught, police will catch hold of him and put you in the jail. It’s that same sort of a thing it is. You just go on taking Rama’s name, first you see there’s a little temper, there’s something they show temper, they try to correct you, they try to improve you, everything, but still you don’t listen, so they disappear completely, sleeps off, Rama sleeps off, on the right-hand side – immediately. He will also tell you some ways by which you spoil it even more. Say, He will say - if you are rude to your father, something, and you go and tell him, “I’m rude to my father,” he will say, “It’s alright. Forget about it. Don’t you worry.” It’s like that. So it will be all more spoilt. Now he asks you to take the name of Ram, then there’s a devil by that name [so] he comes and sits there. He has got regular armies of people like that! ‘Umbium’ and all these things are names given to certain lieutenants of his, and he has got some armies with him. Seeker: But how can a sound like ‘Om’ be used for any kind of harm? ‘Om’, how can that be used against someone? Shri Mataji: Because it is a name of someone. You see, it is a name. Now supposing you sit down here and take the name of “Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram” – He’s not your servant to come! He’s not at your beck and call! You see? He will not come. You have to enter into His awareness, you have to come into His awareness, you have to rise much higher to be in His presence, isn’t it? How can you just go on calling His name like that? And what happens is that somebody by the name, servant by the name of Ram, only can come. And this servant is arranged by Mr. Mahesh Yogi, and he comes in and settles down there, and he controls you. And when he controls you, you feel nice and happy because somebody else is doing the job, and you give up all your money, everything, whatever you have. Vince Lindsay: It still creates a problem for me Mataji because even a puja, no matter whose puja , You know, even Your puja, how would I know that was not going to harm me? Of course to you, it isn’t, but having been told that somebody else’s puja or somebody else’s mantra would have harmed me, how am I to know? Shri Mataji: Yes. Without Realisation, you should not recite any mantra, because you don’t know [that a] mantra is not a stationary stuff. Just now, your Kundalini is stuck up on the heart, alright? His was like this: it was stuck up on the heart, then we raised it; so we had to take the mantra of the heart. Only Realised people can, not unrealised. Then we removed it [the catch]; then it came up to the Vishuddhi, then we had to take the name of Krishna. Then it moved onto the Agnya, we had to take the name of Jesus. Then it comes up here, then we have to take the name of Kalki or Mataji, then it comes out. You see, you have to take all these names. Have you had [dinner]? Lady: Yes, thankyou, thankyou, thank you very much; thank you very much! Shri Mataji: May God bless you! Now you all go down and have something! You see, that is the thing. So this is the thing: if you raise your Kundalini, then from her movement you must know how to - which chakra is needed. It’s a big science, it’s a big science, you cannot just cure chakra like that. In the olden days, (?) master of Kundalini I can move your Kundalini like that, in five minutes it comes up, in a second it can come up, but in olden days they used to raise Kundalini step by step, you see. Supposing somebody’s Kundalini had stuck up at the Nabhi Chakra; so they would give him a mantra of Lakshmi Narayan or someone like that. So they used to give a mantra, so [the] guru used to tell the mantra that, “You do this, and it will be alright.” All over. But not now. Now you are going to get your mantra , every moment changes, moment to moment. Now the Kundalini has to rise! Vince Lindsay: Yes. Lady: But Mataji, where actually Kundalini is situated mainly? Shri Mataji: In the triangular bone, in the coccyx. Lady: Yeah, but is she going up and down all the time totally or is she sometimes… Shri Mataji: No, when She’s awakened She comes up and goes down, and comes up again; but not the whole of it comes up. You see, She’s made of many threads and these threads come up but to have a Realisation you have to have many threads; a certain amount of threads has to be there. If they are added up, they open it out. But then again it settles down, goes back. You see, for example a person who is coming from some of these gurus always you find, in the beginning you find [that] the Kundalini falls down; again you have to raise it, tie it up. Because of the chakras being spoiled by them. That’s how they make chakras you see [damaged] like that. Lady: Yeah, but when the Self-realisation is [at] the full stage is it then not permanently… Shri Mataji: Oh, then of course, you are there. Lady: It is permanently there ? Shri Mataji: Yes, it is permanently. But Kundalini, you see, is newer - it’s a residual force (?) but, the complete oneness had to take place. Lady: Yes, it is connected everywhere like a full growing plant or… Gavin: It starts putting roots up there! Shri Mataji: Now, you see, there’s one more thing: these gurus show their own powers, they don’t give you any powers. All these people [here] know what is happening within you and are telling you what’s happening: he’s telling you, “This is happening, that is happening,” raising your Kundalini, giving you Realisation. They have given Realisation to people. The one who gave him Realisation was a disciple of mine. So, I mean, it is your power which should be manifested, isn’t it!? Vince Lindsay: Your own built-in. Shri Mataji: Your own built-in power should manifest. Vince Lindsay: Yes. Shri Mataji: That doesn’t [with them]. Only by taking [the] name somewhere, you don’t know anything about it. You just take a name, and you feel alright: that’s something like taking [alcoholic] drinks, for which you pay, quite a lot, much more than drinks. And you hurt your Kundalini so badly. But when Self-realisation takes place, your own power will manifest. That should be asked from a guru, always: “What are our powers?” He [Mahesh Yogi] doesn’t even talk, he doesn’t even tell, he cannot even explain what he is doing, how he is doing it, but I have told you everything. And I’m going to tell you everything! Secrets of secrets I am going to tell you. All the gupta, gupta taram as they call it in the Devi Mahatmayam: Markandeya has said that, “You know all the gupta and gupta taram.” I am going to give you all that, all the knowledge, otherwise things cannot be alright. Vince Lindsay: You see, Guru Raj has also said to us that, “You will have no secrets.” Shri Mataji: But he himself doesn’t know anything! Vince Lindsay: He says he does. Shri Mataji: How can he? Vince Lindsay: How can you tell? Shri Mataji: He’s spoilt your Agnya and spoilt his Agnya; he’s spoilt everybody’s Agnya! Everybody’s Agnya he’s spoilt. He’s only talking. If he’s done it, I have shown it. For example, I have met someone only a few days ago, Bogdan. I met him only eight days back, and he knows such a lot. Vince Lindsay: Yes. Shri Mataji: Who first came here from your group? Yogi: David. Shri Mataji: No, David was second, somebody else was first. Yogi: No, David was first. Shri Mataji: You were the first David? You remember, as soon as I saw you I said his guru has a very bad heart, do you remember? Immediately! What did I say? David: Yes. Shri Mataji: Very bad heart. David: He was born that way. Shri Mataji: He should be saved, all his ?? . But he’s done a very big mistake. He’s very, very wrong. He’s very, very wrong. You don’t know: he has to do a lot of repentance for what he’s done – spoiling everybody’s Agnya, imagine! With what, - if he (?continues), this is built in evolution. It’s the highest point for a man to reach it/him, it’s quite a price (?to be paid). And these people are killing in them. . Killing him in you! Inside here. Vince Lindsay: But that practice which he has given us, ‘tratak’,(त्राटक: fixing eyes on an object) has been given for many centuries. Shri Mataji: No! Not this way. No, not that way. That is given - You see, the hatha yoga is not to be done by householders, not to be done in London City! Hatha yoga has six things. After Realisation only trataka is to be done, that too, in the jungle with a guru. If you read Patanjali, it’s such a big book. All these people, some of them decided … It started, I would say mainly started with this Lahiri Baba and secondly by that … Shivananda. This Shivananda never got any guru, see, so he knew only -he in the first, only, the foremost thing is, to know very little of it; was to know [a] little asanas, that’s all he knew, and he came down [here] with the asanas. He had a big stomach like that, but still he started teaching asanas! I mean, it is six things together, and that too is to be done with a guru who is living in the Himalayas, and you have to be a complete celibate person, complete brahmacharya should be there; and he (the guru) looks after you. It was the domain of very few to give that. Very few used to get it, and it was not allowed to every Dick, Tom and Harry, or to anyone; or to the masses it was out of the question! Then time had to come, in the history, that masses had to get it, so I have come. Vince Lindsay: Why is it so simple for us? I mean, the very name of your society is ‘simple’ yes? Easy. Yeah? Sahaj. Shri Mataji: Vincent, do you know, everything important is the simplest! See your eyes, it’s so complicated and it’s so much God has done to make it, but it’s so simple to see! Has to be, because it is too important. Supposing your breathing was difficult, you could not have lived even for a moment. It has to be simple. Because you are to be evolved, it has to be the simplest – has to be! All God sent things are so simple [that] we don’t see, we take them for granted. See outside: you see, suddenly you find the flowers, then suddenly one day, morning, you see the fruits, then you see the seeds sprouting – do you see all these miracles or not? You see them, but you just take them for granted. This is a miracle which you have not seen, that’s why you think it’s too simple. Know, there’s a machinery behind, you have seen it, very complicated. But, as I say, I have done the cooking, you’d better have it! If you are hungry, you must eat it, and enjoy it. It’s for your own enjoyment, isn’t it, Bogdan? With that you’ll [grow] so fast you’ll see it, and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Yogini: Mother, is there anyone that hasn’t eaten? Shri Mataji: So many are there. Yogini: Those who haven’t had dinner, please come now. Shri Mataji: Alright, you go and eat. Are you going, Ravi? (?...). Go down to have something to eat. Bogdan: Mataji, You were talking once about God and there are some parts of His nature that are beyond Him; like it’s His nature to be eternal, and he can do nothing about it. That was interesting in the fact that this All-controlling God… Shri Mataji: And another thing I told you which you have forgotten is, of course these are all things which I am telling you but should not create too much controversy into your mind, but to understand it you have to be much more [subtle]. In that way God has been so sweet that He bound Himself by these regulations to Himself; that He has to be eternal, He cannot change it, He thought that - ‘I might change my view later on, I may give up’, so He said, “Better tie Myself up with this one thing.” Another thing is that He cannot take away your freedom. Bogdan: The thing that came about that is that this All-controlling God has given us our freedom. By doing that, He’s put us beyond His control, so He must love us very much to have done that to us. Shri Mataji: There’s no end to His loving. Bogdan: He must accord us the greatest respect to have done this; to put us beyond His control. Shri Mataji: That’s what I am saying! If you see that, how great He is! How His love is tremendous! He wants you to grow big, just like a father makes you independent, He’s made you independent. Bogdan: So He must feel very sorry when He’s powerless to stop us going the wrong way or to stop people going the wrong way. Shri Mataji: You see, these gurus have taken away the respect of God all to themselves: that’s what they are doing. Because without giving anything to you, what they have given is disrespect to God, disrespect to your dharma, to your sustenance power, disrespect to your Kundalini – everything! Everything is gone upside down. Seeker: But why Mataji? (? Why should they do that). Shri Mataji: Why they do it? That is beyond ?? . They are spoiled children. You see, in the body, you have to have excretion, isn’t it? It’s like that. In the whole Virata samstha (संस्था: institution) as you call, the institution of the Virata, it has to have also excretion system, and they are formed as the excretion part of it. Ha. Yogi: It keeps coming back to heart, left heart, right heart. Shri Mataji: Right to left? Yogi: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Left Heart is his guru, Right Heart is his first guru. Yogi: Perhaps he had gurus in previous lives as well. Shri Mataji: They were rakshasas [then]. Rakshasas, they were your enemies. I can’t eat [more] now. It’s too much. But I request should be no fight about Prasad. Take it down,I think. (? name), go and have something with him. You should be alright because your heart is disturbed. Turn around. Let’s see now. You have no questions? You are in complete joy, is it? Yogi: These two fingers are burning. Shri Mataji: These two are burning? All the time? Yogi: Off and on. Shri Mataji: You might be catching from others. Ravi: (says he’s catching on right heart) Shri Mataji: Kaunse? Is me? Yeh tumhara father hai. (Hindi: which one? That is your father.) Right-hand heart is the father. You see, maybe, what kind of a pillow you have? Pillow has to be alright. Yogi: Pillow? Shri Mataji: Or you sleep without a pillow. You have a pillow? Yogi: Man-made fibres, polyester. Shri Mataji: Because there’s a pressure over here. That’s why. Tell him how to take out the Vishuddhi. Just tell him to push back. You do it like this. Or you put your hands back, would be better, here. You’ve got more of these or not? But good news, I must say that this is the first time that Mahesh Yogi’s disciples are getting Realisation – we could not give them. And Muktananda Baba. Only one man we have given in Bombay of Mahesh Yogi’s disciples – one man. It’s most surprising. When they said, “Mahesh Yogi” I said, “Oh God!!” The first time! Jane, you have to go down (to eat). Vince: Shri Mataji, You only speak of seven chakras. Shri Mataji: No, there are many more. Vince: Yes, but, how many are there? Shri Mataji: I’ve exaggerated all of them! Vince: I’ve been told there’s seven hundred and seventeen chakras. Shri Mataji: Yes, so many are there, one thousand are already the…but at least you can see two more here (Shri Chakra and Lalita Chakra), and on top of the head there are three chakras. But gradually you take the basic ones and then the sub-chakras there. Yogi: This is the special introductory course. Shri Mataji: Even in mastering these you will take some time! That one is Sahasrara, this one here. Barry (Oz): There’s a book called the thousand names of the Goddess of the Sahasrara, someone once asked me where it came from, I said, “Comes from the ten thousand names,” And they said, “Where do the ten thousand names come from?” Shri Mataji: The twenty-one thousand, should be, minimum! Vince: Shri Mataji, can you see the chakras? Shri Mataji: You can see if you go from outside, that’s what they did. They went from the sympathetic, they saw the chakras, and they thought they have entered into it. But when you are inside the house, how can you see the house? Barry: Nabhi, both nabhis. Seeker: I’ve got a four-month-old baby daughter. Shri Mataji: Baby boy? Barry: Daughter. Shri Mataji: Daughter, you have got? Seeker: And she’s got really bad wind, is there anything I can do to help her? Shri Mataji: You just put your hand on her stomach, and think of Me and put one hand outside – she’ll be alright. Alright? Try that. What’s her name? Seeker: Amber. (36 mins Hindi conversation with Ravi) But after all the fruits, you eat this, and then take water. Till you have to leave. Better now? Vince: Yes Shri Mataji: But you have to cooperate, eh? And you have to go deep into it because you have a problem. And it’s a Mahesh Yogi’s disciple. I was amazed Myself – first time they are getting Realisation, otherwise none of them. Perhaps you people have denied ??. And this another guru of yours, such a bad Agnya he was putting up, baapre-baap! This Mahesh Yogi is spoiling everybody’s heart, and he’s spoiling everybody’s Agnya: very nice! It’s like from frying pan to the fire like that! Alright Vincent? Vincent: Yes. It was hurting a little bit lower down before, but it stopped. Shri Mataji: Because you have started feeling it now. The hurting and all that you have started feeling, now you will start feeling the pressure as you start feeling the Kundalini move. Barry (Oz): When shall we have our next meeting? Shri Mataji: Now, the programme is: you all should meet as many times as possible. I have not given you Realisation, have I? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Come here. You have been doing Hatha Yoga or so? Hatha Yoga? Seeker: Just a little, a few exercises. Barry: Could you take your socks off first? Shri Mataji: Same thing like mantra. You take out your socks as well. You see, Hatha Yoga is also like mantras. It’s a big shastra, it’s a big science. You shouldn’t do it, it’s not a novice’s job. Everybody should not do that. Just see, is it the liver? Heart? Heart first of all, that’s why I said you must have done Yoga. Seeker: I’m doing, also, this meditation with Raj. Shri Mataji: The Agnya? Seeker: Before, I was doing a little bit. Barry: I’m just going to take a bit [of Prasad] for Mataji’s husband. Shri Mataji: Just see now, with one grace you can do it, the whole thing can go out. What are these gurus? Throw them out! Haa! Haa! Just see now. Raise his Kundalini! See it. Where is it? Now, don’t make noises. Ha! Ha! Haaaaa! All these gurus and all that. Got it? Close your eyes. But now you’ll have to work, no doubt, but you’ve touched it. Haaa! Come up? (Shri Mataji is laughing) If the Mother’s grace is there, what is there [to worry]? After all, it is written already: when She will come, She will just do it like this – isn’t it? Haa! You’ve got it. Very good. Got it? Done! Ho gaye? Paara uthara gaye, santa janare – the saints have crossed the ocean! That’s what [it is], you are all saints. You must understand you are all saints, you have been seeking for thousands of years, and that’s why you were attacked. Haaa! Kundalini is in the half coil now See when the river flows how she throws away all these obstructions. She’s not going to stop for anyone. Don’t allow your mind to stop anywhere! Say, “I must have it!” Then you’ll have it. He came with that idea. You got it. Everything cleared you see: heart sab, sab aoge (सब आओगे – all will come) It can be you also – jump into it! Throw away all that! You have not achieved anything so far, na, from that? Throw them away, finished! Don’t worry. The more you will think about them, they will work in your mind much more – progress will be slower. Haaa! You can tie it up on top. Let it be. Haaa! Done now! Haa! This is known as ‘paash’. If you read the Devi Mahatmyam you will know, this is paash. Alright? And this is ankusha they call it, you see? All these are described in all of these papers. Huuun! All of you feeling better? Seekers: Yes. Shri Mataji: What’s your name? How are you feeling? Seeker: Nice, very nice. Shri Mataji: Nice, very nice! That’s the thing now; [the] river is flowing into you! Good. See his eyes are dilated, see. One thing is to be achieved only, nothing else! Is God – Twamekam sharanyam, twamekam varenyam (Adi Shankaracharya: You alone are my refuge, you alone are my desire). That’s the one to be asked for, that’s what you must get and nothing else. All this nonsense, throw away! You don’t want it. Haaa! Huuur! How are you? Seeker: I want too much. I want to be happy at something, and I’m kind of in between being happy and being unhappy, I’m kind of like a stone between a mountain and a sea or something. Shri Mataji: They will tell you what to do. Tell him to beat that Muktananda with shoes! Every day! You see, this is what Mohammed Sahib has told us: you all beat them with shoes. You have to write their names [and] beat them with shoes, and that’s how you will be cleared out. That horrible fellow, he has no sense that he is a sweeper – he’s touching everybody’s dirty parts! He’s going to eat faeces in the hell, that’s what I can tell you, and I have no words to describe this horrible man! Haaa! Good. Come on. Chalo, ho gaya? Sab log saf ho gaye? (Hindi: Let’s go. Done? Everybody cleaned?) Everybody feeling better? Bien? So let’s go! Barry: It’s for C.P. it’s some sweets. Shri Mataji: He’s very particular about the Prasad, he’ll ask Me, “Have you brought your Prasad or not?” (laughing) What about these chocolates? Barry: Ravi brought them. Shri Mataji: Everyone should have them, isn’t it. Gavin: Should we make some plans for next week, while we are all here? Shri Mataji: Yes, for all of you, you should make, but Me you should exclude. I’m going to try the other side of life, giving their Kundalini jagruti, you see, all those people coming for the conference, all of them. I’ve given to so many Russians: so many ambassadors and ambassadors wives. Barry: Which conference is this? Shri Mataji: This is the annual conference of the council. All these nations will be there, all will be represented. It’s a very huge, big thing: seven days. They live in Ganard Hotel and something like that. Yogi: He’s saying he’s planning to go to India very shortly. Shri Mataji: No! No! You just don’t go! You are in the greatest mess! You first of all clear out yourself! What is in India? Seeker: I just want to go to a place for a while where there’s less traffic and less noise and.. Yogis: Go to Scotland! Shri Mataji: You should be alright inside. Inside you will be alright, then you will not mind all this. Yogi: You can go to the Richmond Park. Shri Mataji: Nothing to run away! We have to face life as it is. You have to be brave. This is escaping. You are not going to escape, you are going to face it. Barry: I think he wants a holiday, that’s what he’s saying. Shri Mataji: You are having holidays after holidays, now why do you want a holiday? Seeker: I am being thrown out of England. Barry: He’s not allowed to stay in England. Shri Mataji: Why? What country you belong in? Seeker: Australia. Shri Mataji: You are supposed to go back? Seeker: I thought I’d go back through India. Shri Mataji: If you could wait for some days, we are going to have an ashram there, where you can go and stay. And then you’ll not…you cannot. You get him completely into your hands…actually I’m really…see my husband is sitting there, and he was telling on the phone, “Now have you given me up?” I said, “I’m busy with my children here.” (laughter) You are overpowering Me. How are you? Seeker: I’m alright. Shri Mataji: Now you don’t hate them at all? And cut your hair a little bit, alright? Sometimes with the hairstyle and all that also the…be normal, nothing abnormal to be done. Not to be very fashionable, nor to be absolutely careless. Respect your body, respect your mind. Now, how are you? Better? Seeker: Yes, a little bit. Shri Mataji: Did you do that way? Did you tell him how to do the Vishuddhi? Maureen: No, it was someone else you told. Shri Mataji: No, I said, “Tell him how to do the Vishuddhi.” Put your hand here like this and tell him how to do it. All of you can do it. Put your hand like this, at the back. Now, Gavin, you tell him. At the back, and think of God as the Virat. Not to laugh because this is a very important act. Done! Better? Moreover, these fingers are of the Virat, and the mantra of this Vishuddhi is one of them – of course you can say Radha Krishna – but one of them, the greatest one is putting these in the ears and to say “Allah hu Akbar”. Say it thrice, “Allah hu Akbar.” (whilst demonstrating, Mother does not shout but says it quietly). Better? Seeker: I didn’t really understand. Barry: Allah hu Akbar. Shri Mataji: Allah hu Akbar, see, God is great. And the greatest of God is Virat. Seeker: Oh, it’s Islam. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s Islamic. Again say it. Now once you have done twice and then thrice, the same. Everybody is saying “Allah hu Akbar.” Now see, you are putting this in your ears, still you are hearing. From where are you hearing it? Through this. Again, you say it. Come along. Everybody is saying “Allah hu Akbar.” Better? This is for Vishuddhi. For Christ, you have to take the name of Jesus Christ and you have to take the Lord’s prayer. Or at the back use Ganesha’s – that’s the beginning of, I mean the Christ’s former, I mean you should say the basis, the bija; use Ganesh, from here. That one is created here. And at this point (Sahasrara) there’s a mantra written on my photograph which you can read it. Have you got my photograph? Vince: Yes, I have. Shri Mataji: You haven’t got it? So take the photograph. Now work it out, and you beat each other as many times as you can. Are you feeling better now? Seeker: Oh, it’s still very heavy at times. Shri Mataji: What are you wearing in the neck? Seeker: Oh, it’s taurus. Zodiac sign. Shri Mataji: Take it out. (?...) Are you better now? Not there, now there. Not there, not there, not here. Here you are feeling it, isn’t it? Which side on the right or the left. Seeker: Eyes and here , all over. Eyes. Shri Mataji: Better? Try to sit in the water, alright? It will help you. Ha. Left side catches. Left side catches is mostly due to emotional side [that] means. But there seem to be vibrations at an extreme point. You’ve been to a guru or someone? Seeker: No, I feel very exhausted because I’ve had a very exhausting experience with my girlfriend; very exhausting. Shri Mataji: You must be that way exhausted. That’s on the emotional side, you see. What is she doing now? She’s living? Seeker: Yes. She’s an Indian? Shri Mataji: She is an Indian? She’s given you this experience? (?) Horrible Indians! (laughter) Got no shame! That’s why I say don’t marry Indian girls, you don’t know what will turn out of them! Horrible! Ravi is looking at you now! (laughing) I mean, you don’t know, some of them are terrible! Seeker: She’s very spiritual. Shri Mataji: Very spiritual? What’s her name? Seeker: Lakshmi. Shri Mataji: Lakshmi? And what is her surname? Seeker: Ramachandran. By that name she was married. Ramachandran. Seeker: She was married Ramachandran, her maiden name was Vasudeva. Shri Mataji: Vasudeva. Now she’s worried because the name you are saying is of her caste name. So she’s saying now marry my son when you find a girl (laughing). She’s worried now. How do you say she’s spiritual, what does she do? Seeker: Errm. Shri Mataji: She married you? Seeker: We went through our own ceremony, our own marriage ceremony. Shri Mataji: Which one? Seeker: No, it was one that just happened, we knew it was… Shri Mataji: For an Indian girl, she knows that this is not correct. That means she’s not so spiritual. Seeker: And we both thought (?it was) sort of ceremony again. Shri Mataji: You are alright, you have a western mind, but she’s a “spiritual” Indian woman I’m telling you about her. And she’s troubling you, her husband; an Indian woman won’t give up her husband even if he’s mad, or even if he beats her; even if he becomes a leper. Seeker: She’s divorced. Shri Mataji: She’s divorced you, or she’s divorced another man? Seeker: She divorced her husband. Shri Mataji: (talking to Mrs. Sharda Devi) Dekh lo tum! Certificates le lo, kaise kaise hoti hai aurate! (Hindi: Look at that! You take certificates, how they are the women!) Give her a bandhan, hopeless! Good for nothing. Calling the name of the country. Mrs. Sharda Devi: He is very immune. Shri Mataji: Taking such a big name, nothing, she should have some shame: giving such a big name. Indian women are known, even once Roosevelt said, that they are like a magnolia flower: if there’s one flower in the whole locality, everyone knows there’s a flower; this is what he said. I take back my words about Indian women, with these exceptions also…Haa! Marathi me – Lakshmibai hati patlazawala (In Marathi – ‘Lakshmi is wearing a brass bangle’ which means ‘her name is Lakshmi, but she has no character of Lakshmi’) Only if he’s a rakshasa, she can leave [her husband]. Seeker: Aha. Shri Mataji: If the husband is a magician, then she can leave the husband, under law, under Indian law. She has no children, nothing? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: She left the children also? Seeker: No, no, she still has them. Shri Mataji: Why did she leave her husband. Seeker: She never liked him. Shri Mataji: I tell you India is like a ?? Thank God, that our Sahaja Yogis should never marry an Indian! Mr. Devi: Why is it? In India, Sahaja Yogi girls are good? Shri Mataji: We have arranged it so well that no Sahaj Yogi marries a Sahaja Yogi. If you marry, then you bring that one to Sahaja Yoga. But if you are a Sahaja Yogi and another is a Sahaja Yogini, you are brothers and sisters. Before coming to Sahaja Yoga, if you are related, that is alright, but after Sahaja Yoga you are all brothers and sisters. I have arranged it that way. Otherwise, the whole of Sahaja Yoga will be ruined. You’ll be having your romances instead of Sahaja Yoga and meditation. All are brothers and sisters. Not one marriage – can you imagine? – amongst thousands of people! Not one marriage has taken place. Somebody says something and everybody is laughing. Shri Mataji: It is going to be better than Kali Yuga, don’t you worry! In Kali Yuga in India, one couple is producing twelve children!! (break in recording) Seeker: Is there something for me inside? Shri Mataji: Then you should do inside her. But then these things should not come into your mind. This should not come into your mind. To pay her back, you must do something to give others. She hasn’t got it through sex, and you are not going to get it through sex. You cannot return it through sex. You haven’t got it through sex, and you cannot return it through sex. Now see the difference. This is the purity of understanding. You see, this is your Mother sitting here. At this time you are like Ganesha’s all of you. Your attention is not at all on the sex, and if somebody has done for you something through Sahaja Yoga, for her, if you ever have that kind of a feeling, you’ll fall, or you’ll be exposed. Never. Keep yourself clear on that. Here, you can have somebody, friend or someone, if you come, if you are friendly before you get Realisation, alright. Afterwards, if you meet somebody, bring one more person, I’ll give them Realisation. What is there? We’ll have another person here! But a Sahaja Yogi, you will not. You will be surprised, all of them are living here. Ask them how they have become brothers and sisters. I have strict rules. Yogi: For four years we have been. Vince: It seems so narrow. Shri Mataji: No, not at all! You see, you think that being wise is vulgar. Actually that is vulgar, that is being vulgar. Vince: But it’s only vulgarity in the mind, Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, no. Because you are purified, inside you are purifying Vincent, that’s why. You see, it is like this: now this is the drawing room, alright? In the drawing room, you have to come to sit down and talk. Will you use a WC here, or you will sit down and throw it out? It’s like that. There’s a place for everything. It’s not narrowing. If somebody says that, “Why don’t you allow your child to do everything here, you are very narrow-minded !” It’s something like that – everything has its place. It’s decorum and decency, it’s privacy. It’s a private thing. You also say it’s ‘private parts’. I don’t know why, but you say it’s private; and you make it so vulgar in the sense that it’s so open to everyone. This is not narrow-mindedness. This is an understanding of the whole thing. Will you call Christ narrow? He said, not [only] adultery, but He said even adulterous eyes! And you don’t know [that] half of the devils come to you through your eyes and then even if you want to stop it’s difficult, it goes on looking, looking, like this. That’s the worst part for Agnya. Best thing is to put them on the Mother Earth and fix them up. You’ll know this. Gradually they are doing it. Good. It’s alright. Seeker: Mataji, these people giving us Realisation, but what about the karma that we have stored up. Shri Mataji: That question I have answered already. That is: the karmas are done by your ego, isn’t it? Who does the karmas? Your ego. If I have removed your ego and superego on the sides and your attention has come up [so] now who does the karma? What do you say [is], “I’m getting, it’s happening. It’s moving,” like that. You never say, “I am doing it.” This is akarma. It has become akarma. You understand? Karma has become akarma. Like the sun doesn’t say, “I’m giving you light,” it just flows. That’s what has happened. And now you will say, “What happens to karmas?” I will clean them off, I will remove them off. Yogi: Still takes a long time to cure your chakras up completely. Shri Mataji: I have eaten them off, I have sucked them out. You have seen [how] I have sucked them out of many people. Seeker: We don’t have to work out our own karma, Mataji? Shri Mataji: No, you don’t have to work out. You get your Realisation. But now you keep yourself on [a] steady path. Whatever karmas are troubling you are still there, though little bits are there, forget! Forget the past! That’s the best way. Be in the present. Yah? Be in the present. If you are in the present, the past and future are finished and you enjoy. Now [it’s] for you to enjoy: finished all those dramas! You better enjoy now, come along now! When are you going to enjoy? You don’t go on weeping about your girlfriend of that dirty type! Useless! She has no shame! At least, she should have given happiness to another man. She cannot give happiness to one man, what is she going to do in this world? Useless! She calls herself Lakshmi! Such women, we call them as ‘dushtas’ in India. Tell her! You go and tell her Mataji has given you a name – ‘dushta’! She can’t give happiness to one man? What’s the use of such a woman? She’s become, I think, western. I don’t know what to say. (laughter) Vince: Mataji, I don’t know, it doesn’t seem right to me, I’ve got to say. I’ve got something I must say to you. It doesn’t seem right to me that You should say that perhaps she’s useless. Perhaps it was her husband who was useless. Shri Mataji: Because I know who she is, that’s why I’m saying. Whatever I am saying is through knowledge. You see, I can feel her vibrations. Ravi: Mataji, why not give her the Realisation so that she makes him happy. Shri Mataji: But let me say something bad to her so that she’s cleared a little bit. Alright? By doing that, she does [clear]. You see, h when I do anything, it’s all for your kalyana. Even if I give you a slap, it will be for your kalyan. Seeker: Are you going to? (laughter) Shri Mataji: Even if I kiss you, it’s for your kalyan. Even if I say something, it’s for your kalyan, because what I am is kalyanamayi. You see, I am here just to give you that. So I will see how to keep it all, how to bring it along. Everything is for your good. If I am saying anything to her, it’s for her good: you’ll find her to be a better person. Do you know, we write the name of the person and beat her with shoes: the person is alright the other side. You try this! Now they have tried it, just ask her. Now they will tell you: they are so convinced. It’s very interesting. Now it’s better. If you think that a thing has to be done, then you’ll know ways and methods of how to do it, isn’t it? But first of all decide it is to be done, finished! It will be done. And it was decided by you, that’s why you are with Me. Hmmm. So let’s see! Gavin: So next week, Tuesday, of course, we could do it at my place…. (end of tape 3)

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HH Shri Mataji, Workshop Part-1, Finchley Ashram, London, UK, 1977-1118. All the prostate gland and all these things are involved because of overactivity. The whole nervous system is ruined by this kind of an overactivity. I mean are you nothing but a sex point. We must respect our personality. You are not only a sex point. I mean even animals are not that. How could we be only our sex point? But that doesn’t mean that you should become like those people that you can’t look at women. Why can’t you? You can look at women, if you are that clear in your eyes, you should. Everyone will look, you see, we never feel that way about it. Not at all. But your eyes are not clear you see, they are dissatisfied eyes. They are adulterous. That’s why they are not satisfied with one person, from one to another they are moving. What mistakes your parents have done you are not going to do those mistakes or do you? Or your grandparents have done. It spoils everything. The whole society is based, the whole society, is based on one small point, is how far you understand sex and its sanctity. See we all are sitting down as brothers and sisters. Everybody knowing who is whose husband, whose wife it is. Supposing tomorrow an idea comes into somebody’s head that alright I’ll have a nice time with somebody’s wife or somebody’s husband. The whole society ruins and if it were not wrong then why do you get diseases with that? Rate of impotency is the highest in America. Now what do you say to that? Russians are better. Sahaja yogi: But they are alcoholics. Shri Mataji: That’s the thing, they have not seen to the alcoholic compensation. They and China both are competing in alcohol I think, competing. Now how can you justify alcohol? I can't understand that. You see it every day. What is alcohol? (Not audible) [It’s better now. It’s clearer.] You see on the points of confusion you must know why (recording breaks here) why do you come to me? What are you seeking? First, understand yourself. Then second point should be what we should expect, as a seeker? what should we get? Even the psychologists are talking about collective unconscious and collective consciousness, alright. All the big sages have talked about this. All the prophets, all the incarnations have talked. Did Krishna say that you stand on your head and do all this, did he say so? Did Rama say so? Did they discuss sex anywhere any time? Christ also. Anyone of them has said it? Then who are these new great people who have come suddenly from where, collecting all our money. See the responsibility on the modern people and the younger people is much more than on the older generation because they were the people who faced war, they were tortured by war. And naturally they were nervous people. They were not so normal. But you are saints, and you are born under conditions which are not that abnormal. So, you have a double advantage. Only what you have to do is to connect yourself with right understanding. Right understanding of the problem. What are you expecting out of your spiritual search? Now to say that everybody must get God’s realization, it’s too much. If you read ‘Patanjali’ you will be surprised how many years, how many lives, he has described one has to take, even to raise the Kundalini and is an impossibility. So, if you see somebody’s Kundalini rising then you have to accept. First of course Sahaja yoga, it helps you. It takes your kundalini up. It touches the right point. It makes you feel aware of this. You get separated, alright. That happening takes place. But then again, the mixture starts coming up. Now if you are not careful at this time, what happens? You can be again mixed up. But now you will go down much more because the more you rise the more you go down. So, one has to be very careful at this point to see for yourself, know I did touch a point. There was something like that. Now why am I not there? What is the reason? Why have I lost that height? Was there some weight attached to me that I have come down? What is that weight? First of all, the confusion, what is it about. You will be amazed if you rationalize it you will understand that you are just playing on to words. you are seeing now here. There is no business going on, nothing. I cannot just say that David you are alright when you are not. When you have a problem, everybody says that he has a problem here. Everyone says. There’s nothing against you these people have. When they have a problem, they also know they have a problem. But you must try to help yourself. And do not confuse yourself to that extent, to that extent that you completely get lost. See you can get lost. I must tell you. You have to be very careful. We have had some people who were lost to us. Of course, they have not forgotten us though, they write to us for Ivan is (sahaja yogi laughs) today Ivan of all the sahaja yogis, just think it? He was a doctor with RCG. (Shri Mataji laughs) He asked questions after questions and all, but he got realization and today he is sending me a Diwali, after so many years. He has gone to Australia, he has not forgotten. (inaudible) Nobody forgets me that I know because the kundalini is still working. But God has one aspect which one should not forget. No confession forgetting it, no human being should forget it that he punishes you. You cannot get away with it. He will give you one chance, two chances, ten chances but then he punishes you. Be careful, he does punish you. Punishment is a part of your (inaudible) you cannot get away. Punishment is every minute if you see. If you smoke, you get cancer. If you look at women, your eyes become unsteady. You have to wear glasses much faster. You may develop some sort of a trouble in the eyes. Or maybe your attention becomes very much shifty. If you drink you get a bad liver. If you take drugs, you get a (not clear) Any habit you take to you become enslaved or you become a slave of that. You see nature is every minute punishing you and keeping you in the centre, every minute. Say now for example someone says what does it matter, I can go away. I can do whatever I like. Nobody can live like this. You leave your children say and go away, run away with some other man, leave and go, you leave your husband, go away or your wife. It comes back to you as a punishment. There is a punishment which is an aspect of God which works after some time. It gives you a chance, quite a lot of chance and the worst punishment is spoiling your chakras. If by wrong methods by which you have gone, you have been punished, it is more necessary that you should come back to the center and achieve your goal. Much more working is needed for such people I am telling you specially. But God should have patience for you because you see the another side of it which I told you is punishment and what is the worst punishment than to be dropped out of sahaja yoga. I cannot think of any other punishment worse than that. Cannot be because then what is left for you. There is no other path, there is no other way out, there’s no other way out. This is the way one has to get in, there is no other way I promise. I am not saying it in any ego or anything but that’s a fact. A door that stands and says this is the way, is not egoistical but because that’s a fact. It sounds egoistical but that’s the fact and one has to say that. When Christ said, “I am the light, I am the path’. Was he egoistical? No, because what he said he, it was a fact. It was the truth. He was the light, and he was the path, no doubt. I don’t say that bluntly about what I am, but you’ll find out yourself. And don’t commit more mistakes as it is too many mistakes happened. All your group has been to that horrible that ‘Mahisha’ and then another is this one, two horrible things you have got, say like from frying pan to fire. After that I am pouring my water on you. Now, at least keep steady, keep steady, receive it. Alright try to receive it. What they are dependent on? Did they, did they look after you? Nothing, I have to work very hard. Ask Gordan how much I have worked on you. Hours together day in and day out I have worked on all of them they know that. And you know how terrible it is. They know, they run away, o god Eris, burning that I have been doing. They are having relay races, but I have been running the marathon. Not here, all over the world you see. Now just to help me because it’s helping me. You are part and parcel of my being. So, when you are alright you help me, try to be alright. Tell your mind now it has been too much. Now will you please shut up for a while and let me take to this and achieve what I have been seeking all my life. Alright, be patient about it. You see they even mock at things. I have seen. They will come inside and make you mock at things and laugh at it. But this is just the way you escape, you see. I have seen some idiotic people coming to my programs always, especially in India. If they were smiling or laughing people would ask them, they would say they are coming from the lunatic asylum. (Shri Mataji laughs) They would be the first to laugh at Sahaja yoga and some used to shout also and they would be direct from the lunatic asylum, imagine. What do you say to that? Can you imagine what a tallying it was? Thank God we are not getting any lunatics here otherwise it would have been better to tally and then people feel Surprised how we are like. Now what do you say about that, in vibrations? (Shri Mataji asked some Sahaja yogi) (inaudible) Some girls were nice and innocent but some of those they brought later on, they feel both the hands burning as if they had cancer. Both the hands burning and I was trying to give them you see this then my husband said I must say your patience and your aspirations are great. These women are models. How do you expect them to get anything? (One line of Shri Ganesh Aarti and then recording breaks) Shri Mataji: Need to pay more attention individually. Sahaja yogi: In his interview Sadat said, Mr. Biegun recommended by three people, three presidents, first was President Carter, second was President Koshescu from Romania and third one was the president of Israel himself. (Sahaja yogi laughs) Shri Mataji: Just imagine and you cannot imagine this, because Israel is, also the president does not know how to explain to his people you see that this negotiation is possible, so they are working out among themselves, you see, that you come, you come “tu mara baghoyam “ (Marathi language words)what is it, you call me something and I will call you the same. Sahaja yogi: You scratch my back, you scratch my back, you scratch my back and I will scratch your back. (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) (not clear) Shri Mataji: I am going to India now. On our way back (inaudible) From Egypt how far is Algeria? (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) Sahaja yogi: Forty thousand miles, one thousand miles. Shri Mataji: forty thousand miles! Sahaja yogi: one thousand miles Shri Mataji: One thousand miles? Sahaja yogi says something, not clear. Shri Mataji: Is it, by plane how much it is? (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: Why not? At least on my way back, I can. From there, there is a direct plane to London? Sahaja yogi: Yeah, two hours twenty minutes. Two hours. Sahaja yogis discuss amongst themselves. Shri Mataji: From London to Algeria? Sahaja yogi: Yeah, to Algeria. Shri Mataji: You mean from here to Egypt is how many hours? Sahaja yogi: It should be longer three and half hours to four hours. (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: It is in between? Sahaja yogi: Not in between, it’s like a triangle you know, and London is at the top and London is (inaudible) Shri Mataji: We can do, I will talk to him, at least I can come (inaudible) is a good idea (inaudible)only one hour journey, you think so? Well like Delhi, from Bombay to Delhi, that’s it. Sahaja yogi: I think its two hours, more than two hours. (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves and with Shri Mataji which is not audible.) Shri Mataji: You have so many brothers and sisters apart from me, good. You will now feel the oneness of (not clear word) of all these people that are around, isn’t it? (Sahaj yogi says something and all laugh) Shri Mataji: You feel lost in that case. I mean you don’t know. I have never told you that you give up your friends or anything, never. Did I say? Never. On the contrary I wanted you to go and meet them but you came back. But you cannot enjoy them anymore, want to run away. What is there to talk about? The level has changed so much, just see that. The level has changed, absolutely. (Sahaja yogis talk and laugh amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: o I get so fed up sometimes. (Sahaja yogi says something and laughs.) How much money do you get? Shri Mataji: What is your pay? When are you going to get your promotion? Sahaja yogi says something inaudible. Shri Mataji: I mean in a way, I mean there’s no change of course. See, once in a while is alright but every time, every moment if that is that and nothing beyond, you cannot just enjoy that life. Your whole thing is different now. Pattern is different. I don’t think Pat will be coming today because he has gone somewhere, Pat? Why do you come so late why? Sahaja yogi: He is in training. Shri Mataji: Training of what? Sahaja yogi says something (inaudible) Shri Mataji: What training is he doing? Sahaja yogi: Selling. Shri Mataji: Selling training. Selling the bread. Sahaja yogi asks another yogi are you working in a bread department? Shri Mataji: For you (inaudible) I am looking some job there (not clear) What happened? Did they (inaudible) (Sahaja yogi says something to Shri Mataji, not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: Sharda told me she saw you. Sahaja yogi: Yes, that’s right. Sahaja yogi says something to Mother, not audible. Shri Mataji: Now you are looking normal. Isn’t it? How do you feel? Do you still feel weak? Conversation with a yogi (not very clear) Shri Mataji: Left heart. So, sugar you are taking or not? Sahaja yogi: I am taking sugar, yeah. Shri Mataji: what else, milk? Sahaja yogi: I don’t take much milk. (inaudible) Shri Mataji: Milk you can take. The other milk that you get, skimmed milk. Sahaja yogi: I take maybe two or three ounce a week. Shri Mataji: No, no, milk you can take, skimmed, any amount you like. Because you see as long as you do not burden your liver too much, is alright. Because you have both the problems left and right both. Sahaja yogi: Yeah, Mother, today I had chapatis today. I had Atta. Shri Mataji: Atta, Chapati? (Both are Hindi language words for wheat bread) Is all right, I mean you have to take some carbohydrates. You should not be that rich also, an extreme sort of a thing that only proteins. Absolutely proteins is not a good thing. You must take sometimes something. Sahaja yogi hmmm. (not clear) If I am doing something in the house…(not clear) Shri Mataji: No that you should not do. (inaudible) Sahaja yogi: I have good practice and mmm I have good practice. Shri Mataji: Good what? Sahaja yogi: I have a good practice. Shri Mataji: what do you have for breakfast? Sahaja yogi: um, well recently I have been making roti (not clear) [ It sounds as if Some Sahaja yogi brings some present for Mother] Shri Mataji: For me? Oo that’s too much. You have come is more than sufficient. What is this? Why should you buy that? Alright, so may God bless you. You know you will be surprised today I saw this in a shop, not today, yesterday. Same colour. Yesterday absolute. May God bless you. And I told my husband if I have one like this, I would hang around…(inaudible) Is it alright? If you want, I think it’s alright. This is too much. May God bless you (inaudible) Very pretty, see, just see this, very nice. Conversation amongst Sahaj yogis and Shri Mataji not clearly audible. Sahaja yogi: this type Shri Mataji: this type what? There is no art in this. You see just whatever is available. This is art. There’s no art. Beautiful (inaudible) (Sahaja yogis talking to Shri Mataji, not clear) Shri Mataji: They’re still carrying on with the handicrafts here. Thanks that we are not so much overdeveloped that all handicrafts are lost. And then this small little thing just have a look. hmm Sahaja yogis say something (inaudible) Shri Mataji: oh, I see, oh I see, pull it down like that and then you pull this thing Sahaja yogis laugh. Shri Mataji: You see the, all delicacies were added by Muslims, Mohammad Sahib (inaudible) Beautiful. (inaudible) I never saw her. Did you see her? Sahaja yogi: (not clear) there was a French lady. (not clear) She was facing you and she was sitting with her right hand (inaudible) I was working on Andrew’s system. (Conversation between Sahaja yogi and Shri Mataji is not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: Horrible, how do you find her? Sahaja yogi: I didn’t spend lot of time with her. Shri Mataji: Such a complicated person. She is (inaudible) They have any secrets in the country. Because she was living with somebody as a wife who had a wife and a child for fifteen years and the wife never knew that he was and this fellow is known as a Ronnie driver, his name is. He is a big rich man. And much. This lady is as the same age as his daughter. And for fifteen years she lived with him and a maid servant, a nanny and she has two daughters from this man and the wife never knew. How is it possible? So, she said because here you see if you ask men where have you been or what did you do, they shout at you. So, they just give up some women. Some women are like that some men are like that. They just give up: you just do whatever you do and she did not know that he was carrying on. Then after fifteen years now she fell in love with some young man. Naturally, he must be an old fellow, fifty-five years old, whatever. Now she has fallen in love with somebody. She married that man and she has a little, she is going to have a baby now. And she has those two daughters with her. He gives them money, he spoils them, the father. And she is staying with him and now she feels guilty she said about that man whom she has left. I said very nice. And that’s why she is sulking. She has developed all these things on the face, and she is very unhappy. I said she doesn’t feel guilty that the man whom she has married now, who is so nice and such a humane person. Who would marry such a woman? But he is extremely kind to her. And she is trying to torture his life. Not guilty about it. She is not guilty about the wife being tortured there or a daughter being deprived of the father. She is only worried about this horrible fellow who also has got five, six girl friends. (Shri Mataji laughs) Real Asahaja case (not clear) Gaudin the great he says Mataji give it up. Its Asahaj complete. Shri Mataji laughs Sahaja yogi: Asahaja. Shri Mataji: Absolutely, just imagine. I mean how can I have any sympathy for her. I cannot and how can I have sympathy for that Ronnie driver. They are not human beings. They have no feelings for women. (Sahaja yogis say something, not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: And there will be many such cases coming up. If you want, you can blackmail them. Sahaj yogis laugh. Shri Mataji: Make some money for sahaj yog. It’s a common affair here they say. They have a wife here, they have a woman, they have keeps here. Sahaja yogi: Mind you, the first wife, the first wife might not have wanted to know, very often the wives don’t want to know (Shri Mataji: They don’t want…?) they don’t want to know (Shri Mataji: Yes.) If they married for the money they don’t want to know Shri Mataji: no, no, no, it’s no question. You see they were married long time back. And if a wife************************** WORKSHOP, Finchley Ashram, London (England) November 18th, 1977 Part -2 (Arrival of a new seeker brings about a discussion on TM) Shri Mataji: What I liked about in it the deep colour and then light blue is there. Really you cannot say which is the background colour. The whole thing is light. you cannot make out which is the, Sahaja yogi says something (not audible) Shri Mataji: Yes absolutely, it’s a beautiful thing, absolutely beautiful. I myself have been admiring it all the time (Sahaja yogis laugh) Really beautiful I tell you. I saw this and I bought this. Told my husband this is for Gavin? He said alright, very beautiful. Yesterday he saw it here you see. He said I never knew it is such a good thing, you can’t get but she wanted back. Sahaja yogi: Mrs. Cooper was very surprised. She said how did you come? What night you come, by evening tonight….(not clear)May I know Mrs. Shrivastava’s first name? ….(not clear) embassy wife…and I could not figure out? They were really surprised. Has she had many meetings like this? (not clear) …how she gave her name for this…(not clear) I never knew(not clear)Really surprised, really ..(not clear) Shri Mataji: She was, she was so surprised, she told my husband I never knew that she was such a powerful speaker, such a convincing speaker, such a loving speaker and all kinds of things. She said she is very great I must say, in her own right she is very great. New Seeker: Hello Shri Mataji: Hello! I knew you will be there. New seeker: yes, I have to, I have to come Shri Mataji: May God bless you! May God bless you. (One word not clear) He was very good. Please sit down. What’s your name? New person: Andrew Shri Mataji: Andrew and sir name? New seeker: Clark Shri Mataji: Clark. So where have you been going for spiritual search? New seeker, Andrew: Oh! Shri Mataji: England? New seeker: England yeah(inaudible)Zen Shri Mataji: Zen is this only. This is Zen. New seeker: It’s words. (Not clear) It is all words. (Sahaja yogis laugh) Shri Mataji: Yeah, I know, is true, it’s true. Now the machine has started. Yeah. Now Zen, Zen is same, Khalil Gibran, same you see but as you say words were words and now it’s done. New seeker: it’s experience. Shri Mataji: This is the experience Zen. New seeker: Now there are no words (Sahaja yogis laugh) Shri Mataji: Now you are a Kashyapa, you are a Zen, you are a Zen master now. You are!! Sahaja yogi: (not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: come along. New person: my son’s trainee is a TM teacher. Sahaja yogi: He is telling his son’s trainee is a TM teacher. Sound of Shri Mataji breathing deeply. New seeker: he is nineteen (not clear) I got nothing out of TM apart from relaxation. Shri Mataji: That is another kind of relaxation we will tell you. But you got something terrible with that. I ‘ll tell you all about that. You get now here TM people. But that’s the trouble you see. At the age of nineteen years, they don’t understand. They are very young, alright. Then they take to something, without understanding. They fall deep down into it. When they are ruined, they come to me. New seeker: He has found out by himself. I can’t stop him. Shri Mataji: But you wait something and meet him. We have got so many TM now. New Seeker: He is in Germany now. Shri Mataji: Better do something about this fellow. You see TM is one of the most convenient things to be done. Only thing you have to give away some money. Part with your money. If you can part with your money, then it is the easiest thing to take devils from him. You know is very easy. How you do it? You can have any vices you feel like. You can drink as much as you like. You can have ten women around. You can kill anybody. You can do any violence, makes no difference to TM. Only if you can give him money. He will put some devil into you, and you relax. That’s all. Is the easiest thing. To give somebody money and please somebody with money is the easiest thing to do. I think, nothing difficult. Seeker: I don’t like it. I got nothing out of it but my son (not clear) Shri Mataji: we’ll save him. Don’t you worry. What’s his name? Seeker: Robin, Robin Clark Shri Mataji: Clark, you said sir name. (Not clear) What is he? What is he doing, he is a student? New Seeker: he is a student. He works for TM people (inaudible) Shri Mataji: He’ll be alright. When did he join them? New seeker: when he was sixteen (not audible) Shri Mataji: Jane, there is a handkerchief in my, pocket. Terrible pain in the back. We started his working now. Do this TM fellow and when I visited them, I understand what I found those people just shivering like this before me. They said now we are all becoming mad. We are nervous, we are good for nothing. And the man with whom he stayed, with whom he stayed has died now. His son is very young. He is about I think twenty-five years of age. But he started his work I think about ten or twelve years back. But this son also has become like that like the father. Very recently he developed something like a Parkinson’s disease. And this boy is also doing the same thing. Then what these people told me (one lady says something not clear) So, he, he said, this boy told me and many others have told me, that even if somebody takes the name of God, even if you take the name of God, even then he, they start shivering. Even if they go near a church or a mosque they start shivering. And even if these incenses are burnt they say, he starts shivering. But one man told me if he sees any light, he starts shivering. I mean any natural light like a candle or deepas we have in India. He just can’t see that. He can bear these but not this. Fire he cannot see. Sahaja yogi: Cannot see? Shri Mataji: Canno see. He cannot stand, I mean he cannot stand. He cannot see with his eyes, fire. He cannot go near the sea. If there is rain, he is sitting in the house. He was terrible in Delhi and I don’t know, his age is about not much of say hardly fifty five or so but he looks like a old man doing this. Nothing left in him. So very bad thing to do. Of course, I have removed that from him. He’s better now but still you know these if you practice it for years together then they don’t give you a peace (not clear) Even if in my presence they may disappear but they come back unless and until you positively turned them out. See there are some methods, Mohammad Sahab has suggested some very good methods how to turn them and have to use Christ’s name very much for that. Because he is really, he is the one who is chaser of this horrible, he is a real chaser. And that’s how you to manage it otherwise it’s not easy because once I get into you, very difficult. Now we had in our first program at least two hundred and fifty people. Out of that at least hundred and fifty were from TM. Sahaja yogi: inaudible Shri Mataji: Yes, they have been to TM. Sahaja yogi: they just tried it. Shri Mataji: Tried, yes some of them have just tried some. Now out of that 50 of them I would say really stuck on, you know. They wanted to see what it is like really. They did touch. You see everybody touches, alright. They touched the Sahasrara but again they went down you see. But some of them were so nicely touched. Though they went down they remembered their experience. And they stuck on to it. And now within eight days or so. (now Shri Mataji asks Sahaja yogis) eight days have passed or fifteen days have passed? Sahaja yogis: Oh, more… Shri Mataji: no but they improved after the second program, after that. That was one week, just after one week they improved. And after the second program they improved tremendously I must say, because for this program they were much more. Sahaja yogi: inaudible Shri Mataji: some of you really because this is the, this is such an, this is such a promise to me because TM in Bombay I have tried on some people TM I said as I told you I have also helped them. But some of them I was not able to do much. Only their Kundalini freezes down and doesn’t rise at all. It’s very difficult. But you people have been real seekers I tell you though you been to TM and all that, you have been real seekers that’s how you’ve got it. Otherwise I mean TM means I just say baba , I can’t understand, impossible. Because they are very difficult and complicated. Had a little problem . You want to tell me something. Seeker: (not audible) Shri Mataji: Come here, come here. You put your right hand over here. If you want you can sit. You put this handout. (inaudible) You take the chair please. Your eyes also. Vishuddhi? Vishuddhi first will be hit. What is the name he has given you this horrid fellow? What is it? Seeker: no, I can’t. I promised not to say. Shri Mataji: No, you tell Me, who is he to promise to Seeker: A promise is a promise. Shri Mataji: no, no, no, no, no, not to a devil. You must tell Me otherwise he will keep the promise to you. Just tell Me. Seeker: keyring Shri Mataji: keyring? I do not know. Seeker: inaudible Shri Mataji: Key ring! Keyring! You said. English word? Seeker: Yes, English word, that’s right. (inaudible) Shri Mataji laughs aloud. Sahaja yogis laugh. Seeker: (not audible) Shri Mataji: … Yesterday. Seeker: For many years, I have lot of anxiety, I mean it went, I got rid of it but now it’s coming back (inaudible) Shri Mataji: Where is it? Here? I know. (Sahaja yogis laugh) You see, they are feeling the chakras. Be comfortable. Let him have a chair, I think it’s better. Seeker: No, I don’t need. (inaudible) Shri Mataji: You are alright. Nabhi and this. He creates cancer. I mean he can do anything nonsense. The way he might excite your sympathetic sometimes. This anxiety can give you mental problem. Isn’t it? You will not be able to sleep. I mean he can do anything. You see you are not regarded as anything great but still there is an effect, see. Right … Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you, David? David: Very well, thank you. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. David: I got a job. Shri Mataji: You got a job. Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations! David: (not so clear)...I was catching on Mooladhara from home but apart from that, I got the job, I’m very happy. Shri Mataji: All of you should be there to finish all this chana. I am so happy. May God bless you. Shri Mataji says to new seeker, : Be comfortable, be comfortable. You can take a chair or you can sit here, you sit here. It’s alright, you sit here. (Sahaja yogis talking amongst themselves) Shri Mataji to the Sahaja Yogi who is working on the seeker: More on this side. Put it down he has touched, he has touched? Sahaja Yogi: Raise the left and put down the right? Shri Mataji: You take it out from here. Now raise the Pingala and put it because you see his working is on the Pingala, I told you. He works on the Pingala. Shri Mataji asks David: So, what is the job? Where are you going to work? David: I am selling carpets. Shri Mataji: Aha good! David: (inaudible) The Oriental Carpet Room. Very, very nice carpets but I’ve done it before in Scotland I’ve sold carpets. (Break in recording) Shri Mataji: They will say I am devil personified. No, they are going to come. It is all announced already in the scriptures. They are going to take the name of God, of spiritual life, of self-realization and that’s all … (Not clear) Isn’t it? That is what they want to do. They are not going to come and say No, I am the devil. Come along. Seeker: Subtle Shri Mataji: Very subtle they are, extremely subtle. And they have to be subtler than all of you. If they are not subtler, how are they going to master. First of all, you see for yourself and then believe or disbelieve in comes later on. Keep yourself open. The more open you are the more it will work out, alright. You don’t have to believe me blindly. Not at all. Because that is not going to help me at all. You must open your eyes. I want you to open your eyes and see for yourself because by seeing you can guide yourself and you can guide others also. Blindly where will you jump and where are the (not clear word) to jump. Seeker: yeah Shri Mataji: Isn’t it? So, I don’t want blind followers at all. What do you say now? It’s better, now it’s better? Sahaja yogis: Still (not clear) something up here. Seeker: Just feeling anxiety, not related to them (not clear) Sahaja yogi: left Vishuddhi Shri Mataji: That’s a Left Vishuddhi problem. New Seeker: … becomes a habit after awhile… Shri Mataji: You see, it is, the anxiety is given to you by something unknown to you. And when you do not know something then why (not clear) isn’t it? Sahaja yogi: (not audible) Shri Mataji: that’s, that’s the spirit. Nothing else. But did you get some limes? You better get some from the market. Ask them to get it. Sahaja yogi: I will go and get it. Shri Mataji: get me some twelve dozen or so. Sahaja yogi: limes or lemons? Shri Mataji: limes are better because you see (not clear) or lemons are alright. Lemons are alright. Not very big ones. So, lemons can be. Sahaja yogi: not audible. Seeker: I always heard (not clear) my mind says I am not prepared (not clear) Shri Mataji: (inaudible) no, no, really (not clear) You see you don’t have to worry about all that. I am going to look after. These people who have written about kundalini, you should have heard me before, when I told about (not clear) it’s all written about. They don’t even know where is kundalini? Exactly. I can show you. You see they don’t even know where it is lying. Just imagine they have written such big books. There is a book written by Abon or someone. Such a big book, you see and then I (not clear) a lady she told me they don’t even know whether it lies in the subtle form at the back or in the front. They don’t know anything. Now you will see with your own eyes and feel it with your hands. And know for yourself what is kundalini. All these people are talking, talking, talking, such cheats. No one has been to there. Sahaja yogi: some new people joining in from Shri Mataji: I think Jameel, Jameel read one book on this thing on a and he came to me (not clear) Sahaja yogi says something which is inaudible. Seeker: I have read that book (not clear) kundalini (not clear) accidently Shri Mataji: Accidently Shri Mataji: He doesn’t deserve it. If you see his private life no kundalini is going to come out of it. I can tell you. Sahaja yogi: no the one you introduced me the one that (not clear) Shri Mataji: No, no, the one that is that Ananda that they are in India they wanted to have a big collaboration with Indira Gandhi to sixty-five lakhs of rupees they were going to spend for this kundalini yoga. Not a word he knows, and he is against Sahaja yogi: He is the one. The one that (not clear) He is Ankit Mukhrjee Shri Mataji: who? Sahaja yogi: Ankit Mukherjee, I think. That was one of them Sharda Devi invited, Ankit Mukherjee. The other guys put on me yoga (not clear) some tantrism. Shri Mataji: I mean the ignorance was sufficient. On top of that the confusion. Ah! It’s terrible. Just imagine my plight. See when I have come in this world, when people have lost their innocence. Those who are seekers, you see, have lost their power to recognize. Such a confusion, such a confusion. New seeker comes to Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: sit down. Take out your socks and you sit facing your feet that side and your back towards me. Take out your socks please. Now I will work it out. Him also, just see his kundalini and all that. Shri Mataji to the new seeker: put your hands straight. Keep your hands on the lap Alright! Sahaja yogi: not audible. Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi and where is the kundalini? Watch here alright, you watch here. Not here please. Those who are in the service or who are doing all this planning stuff or artists, musicians, they will be all attracted to it naturally. Because he is on the pingla side. Hm, now you feel better? Agnya. Shri Mataji asks new seeker: you have done some concentration and all that? Seeker: not audible Shri Mataji: Seeking like a motor car alright. Now a motor car if you don’t know how to drive, I really don’t know anything about the motor car. I try to do something to it, gets spoilt. So, some expert has to teach you, has to start for you. Something like that. Haan! better now. Its better. How is he? Sahaja yogi: he is better. Shri Mataji: His problem is his son. Imagine for a father even to know about his own son is a big problem and there was a yesterday in the evening news there was a article about a father (not audible) Sahaja yogi: it’s too much cold on the right side, too much cold on the right than the left. Shri Mataji: because I am working on the left, right. Now, better Sahaja yogi: it’s getting better Shri Mataji: hu? Sahaja yogi: its getting better Shri Mataji: hmmm Gavin what do you say? You were looking very tired yesterday. Working on the people I believe. (Shri Mataji laughs) What do you say Jane? Sahaja yogini: not audible. Shri Mataji: right? Jane: Right swadishthan Shri Mataji: Better. Right swadishthan, better Sahaja yogi: He’s calm down a lot. Shri Mataji: no will Sahaja yogi: inaudible Shri Mataji: left, or right? Sahaja yogi: left much than the right. Shri Mataji: left. Hmm how is it? Sahaja yogi: right agnya Shri Mataji: right agnya. See now, open, agnya I will open now. Open now agnya. Though I mean it is weak agnya chakra. Here’s the kundalini. Put a force. All of you put a force. Just you watch here, alright. You just keep your eyes closed. Don’t get into trance. Just keep alert. You are alert. Absolutely alert. See now where is it stopping? If you are seeing anything or anything you just don’t see anything. You should not bother, alright. You have to reach there. Haan! Sahaja yogis: inaudible Shri Mataji: only the right agnya has to open. Now can you forgive people. Just say I forgive all of them. Just say I forgive. This is the mantra you say inside yourself. I forgive all of them so that God may forgive me. Just say. Haan! (inaudible) I tied the Kundalini. New seeker: inaudible Shri Mataji: not seekers, just see. Sahaja yogi: inaudible Shri Mataji: Tell me all about it, tell me then what happened. New seeker: (inaudible) this force running through me. Shri Mataji: no, no, this is so because he opened out. But what happens when possession comes back to him when he gets anxious that’s all. But he has opened out, see he has opened out, no doubt. Aa now see the forces started again. New seeker: like a symbol (inaudible) Shri Mataji: beautiful. He is such a beautiful man. New seeker: I am very bad man. Shri Mataji: Haa! if a diamond is covered with mud, you don’t call it mud, do you? Haa! Vishuddhi still, left, or right? Sahaja yogi: right (Sahaja yogis laugh after talking something amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: now see now, how is it? Is it much better? Sahaja yogi: agnya Shri Mataji: agnya, too much agnya or little? Sahaja yogi: there is pressure coming in. Shri Mataji: its better now. It’s going now. Let him sit in the water. Let him face me Jane, you sit down, she will tell you. Is there any salt in it? Sahaja yogini: yes Shri Mataji: Keep. there, there, let him sit there. No, where is it? Better there? Or may be here, it’s alright. (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: bring some Kumkum for him, for his agnya. Sahaja yogi: not clear New seeker: yeah, excuse me. Shri Mataji: how far you have gone. Hmm, (inaudible) you can bring some water in a, Jane, bring some in a bowl. I will just pour. Put your both the hands, towards me. Put this thing, clear for me. All these.

HH Shri Mataji, Workshop Part-1, Finchley Ashram, London, UK, 1977-1118. All the prostate gland and all these things are involved because of overactivity. The whole nervous system is ruined by this kind of an overactivity. I mean are you nothing but a sex point. We must respect our personality. You are not only a sex point. I mean even animals are not that. How could we be only our sex point? But that doesn’t mean that you should become like those people that you can’t look at women. Why can’t you? You can look at women, if you are that clear in your eyes, you should. Everyone will look, you see, we never feel that way about it. Not at all. But your eyes are not clear you see, they are dissatisfied eyes. They are adulterous. That’s why they are not satisfied with one person, from one to another they are moving. What mistakes your parents have done you are not going to do those mistakes or do you? Or your grandparents have done. It spoils everything. The whole society is based, the whole society, is based on one small point, is how far you understand sex and its sanctity. See we all are sitting down as brothers and sisters. Everybody knowing who is whose husband, whose wife it is. Supposing tomorrow an idea comes into somebody’s head that alright I’ll have a nice time with somebody’s wife or somebody’s husband. The whole society ruins and if it were not wrong then why do you get diseases with that? Rate of impotency is the highest in America. Now what do you say to that? Russians are better. Sahaja yogi: But they are alcoholics. Shri Mataji: That’s the thing, they have not seen to the alcoholic compensation. They and China both are competing in alcohol I think, competing. Now how can you justify alcohol? I can't understand that. You see it every day. What is alcohol? (Not audible) [It’s better now. It’s clearer.] You see on the points of confusion you must know why (recording breaks here) why do you come to me? What are you seeking? First, understand yourself. Then second point should be what we should expect, as a seeker? what should we get? Even the psychologists are talking about collective unconscious and collective consciousness, alright. All the big sages have talked about this. All the prophets, all the incarnations have talked. Did Krishna say that you stand on your head and do all this, did he say so? Did Rama say so? Did they discuss sex anywhere any time? Christ also. Anyone of them has said it? Then who are these new great people who have come suddenly from where, collecting all our money. See the responsibility on the modern people and the younger people is much more than on the older generation because they were the people who faced war, they were tortured by war. And naturally they were nervous people. They were not so normal. But you are saints, and you are born under conditions which are not that abnormal. So, you have a double advantage. Only what you have to do is to connect yourself with right understanding. Right understanding of the problem. What are you expecting out of your spiritual search? Now to say that everybody must get God’s realization, it’s too much. If you read ‘Patanjali’ you will be surprised how many years, how many lives, he has described one has to take, even to raise the Kundalini and is an impossibility. So, if you see somebody’s Kundalini rising then you have to accept. First of course Sahaja yoga, it helps you. It takes your kundalini up. It touches the right point. It makes you feel aware of this. You get separated, alright. That happening takes place. But then again, the mixture starts coming up. Now if you are not careful at this time, what happens? You can be again mixed up. But now you will go down much more because the more you rise the more you go down. So, one has to be very careful at this point to see for yourself, know I did touch a point. There was something like that. Now why am I not there? What is the reason? Why have I lost that height? Was there some weight attached to me that I have come down? What is that weight? First of all, the confusion, what is it about. You will be amazed if you rationalize it you will understand that you are just playing on to words. you are seeing now here. There is no business going on, nothing. I cannot just say that David you are alright when you are not. When you have a problem, everybody says that he has a problem here. Everyone says. There’s nothing against you these people have. When they have a problem, they also know they have a problem. But you must try to help yourself. And do not confuse yourself to that extent, to that extent that you completely get lost. See you can get lost. I must tell you. You have to be very careful. We have had some people who were lost to us. Of course, they have not forgotten us though, they write to us for Ivan is (sahaja yogi laughs) today Ivan of all the sahaja yogis, just think it? He was a doctor with RCG. (Shri Mataji laughs) He asked questions after questions and all, but he got realization and today he is sending me a Diwali, after so many years. He has gone to Australia, he has not forgotten. (inaudible) Nobody forgets me that I know because the kundalini is still working. But God has one aspect which one should not forget. No confession forgetting it, no human being should forget it that he punishes you. You cannot get away with it. He will give you one chance, two chances, ten chances but then he punishes you. Be careful, he does punish you. Punishment is a part of your (inaudible) you cannot get away. Punishment is every minute if you see. If you smoke, you get cancer. If you look at women, your eyes become unsteady. You have to wear glasses much faster. You may develop some sort of a trouble in the eyes. Or maybe your attention becomes very much shifty. If you drink you get a bad liver. If you take drugs, you get a (not clear) Any habit you take to you become enslaved or you become a slave of that. You see nature is every minute punishing you and keeping you in the centre, every minute. Say now for example someone says what does it matter, I can go away. I can do whatever I like. Nobody can live like this. You leave your children say and go away, run away with some other man, leave and go, you leave your husband, go away or your wife. It comes back to you as a punishment. There is a punishment which is an aspect of God which works after some time. It gives you a chance, quite a lot of chance and the worst punishment is spoiling your chakras. If by wrong methods by which you have gone, you have been punished, it is more necessary that you should come back to the center and achieve your goal. Much more working is needed for such people I am telling you specially. But God should have patience for you because you see the another side of it which I told you is punishment and what is the worst punishment than to be dropped out of sahaja yoga. I cannot think of any other punishment worse than that. Cannot be because then what is left for you. There is no other path, there is no other way out, there’s no other way out. This is the way one has to get in, there is no other way I promise. I am not saying it in any ego or anything but that’s a fact. A door that stands and says this is the way, is not egoistical but because that’s a fact. It sounds egoistical but that’s the fact and one has to say that. When Christ said, “I am the light, I am the path’. Was he egoistical? No, because what he said he, it was a fact. It was the truth. He was the light, and he was the path, no doubt. I don’t say that bluntly about what I am, but you’ll find out yourself. And don’t commit more mistakes as it is too many mistakes happened. All your group has been to that horrible that ‘Mahisha’ and then another is this one, two horrible things you have got, say like from frying pan to fire. After that I am pouring my water on you. Now, at least keep steady, keep steady, receive it. Alright try to receive it. What they are dependent on? Did they, did they look after you? Nothing, I have to work very hard. Ask Gordan how much I have worked on you. Hours together day in and day out I have worked on all of them they know that. And you know how terrible it is. They know, they run away, o god Eris, burning that I have been doing. They are having relay races, but I have been running the marathon. Not here, all over the world you see. Now just to help me because it’s helping me. You are part and parcel of my being. So, when you are alright you help me, try to be alright. Tell your mind now it has been too much. Now will you please shut up for a while and let me take to this and achieve what I have been seeking all my life. Alright, be patient about it. You see they even mock at things. I have seen. They will come inside and make you mock at things and laugh at it. But this is just the way you escape, you see. I have seen some idiotic people coming to my programs always, especially in India. If they were smiling or laughing people would ask them, they would say they are coming from the lunatic asylum. (Shri Mataji laughs) They would be the first to laugh at Sahaja yoga and some used to shout also and they would be direct from the lunatic asylum, imagine. What do you say to that? Can you imagine what a tallying it was? Thank God we are not getting any lunatics here otherwise it would have been better to tally and then people feel Surprised how we are like. Now what do you say about that, in vibrations? (Shri Mataji asked some Sahaja yogi) (inaudible) Some girls were nice and innocent but some of those they brought later on, they feel both the hands burning as if they had cancer. Both the hands burning and I was trying to give them you see this then my husband said I must say your patience and your aspirations are great. These women are models. How do you expect them to get anything? (One line of Shri Ganesh Aarti and then recording breaks) Shri Mataji: Need to pay more attention individually. Sahaja yogi: In his interview Sadat said, Mr. Biegun recommended by three people, three presidents, first was President Carter, second was President Koshescu from Romania and third one was the president of Israel himself. (Sahaja yogi laughs) Shri Mataji: Just imagine and you cannot imagine this, because Israel is, also the president does not know how to explain to his people you see that this negotiation is possible, so they are working out among themselves, you see, that you come, you come “tu mara baghoyam “ (Marathi language words)what is it, you call me something and I will call you the same. Sahaja yogi: You scratch my back, you scratch my back, you scratch my back and I will scratch your back. (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) (not clear) Shri Mataji: I am going to India now. On our way back (inaudible) From Egypt how far is Algeria? (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) Sahaja yogi: Forty thousand miles, one thousand miles. Shri Mataji: forty thousand miles! Sahaja yogi: one thousand miles Shri Mataji: One thousand miles? Sahaja yogi says something, not clear. Shri Mataji: Is it, by plane how much it is? (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: Why not? At least on my way back, I can. From there, there is a direct plane to London? Sahaja yogi: Yeah, two hours twenty minutes. Two hours. Sahaja yogis discuss amongst themselves. Shri Mataji: From London to Algeria? Sahaja yogi: Yeah, to Algeria. Shri Mataji: You mean from here to Egypt is how many hours? Sahaja yogi: It should be longer three and half hours to four hours. (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: It is in between? Sahaja yogi: Not in between, it’s like a triangle you know, and London is at the top and London is (inaudible) Shri Mataji: We can do, I will talk to him, at least I can come (inaudible) is a good idea (inaudible)only one hour journey, you think so? Well like Delhi, from Bombay to Delhi, that’s it. Sahaja yogi: I think its two hours, more than two hours. (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves and with Shri Mataji which is not audible.) Shri Mataji: You have so many brothers and sisters apart from me, good. You will now feel the oneness of (not clear word) of all these people that are around, isn’t it? (Sahaj yogi says something and all laugh) Shri Mataji: You feel lost in that case. I mean you don’t know. I have never told you that you give up your friends or anything, never. Did I say? Never. On the contrary I wanted you to go and meet them but you came back. But you cannot enjoy them anymore, want to run away. What is there to talk about? The level has changed so much, just see that. The level has changed, absolutely. (Sahaja yogis talk and laugh amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: o I get so fed up sometimes. (Sahaja yogi says something and laughs.) How much money do you get? Shri Mataji: What is your pay? When are you going to get your promotion? Sahaja yogi says something inaudible. Shri Mataji: I mean in a way, I mean there’s no change of course. See, once in a while is alright but every time, every moment if that is that and nothing beyond, you cannot just enjoy that life. Your whole thing is different now. Pattern is different. I don’t think Pat will be coming today because he has gone somewhere, Pat? Why do you come so late why? Sahaja yogi: He is in training. Shri Mataji: Training of what? Sahaja yogi says something (inaudible) Shri Mataji: What training is he doing? Sahaja yogi: Selling. Shri Mataji: Selling training. Selling the bread. Sahaja yogi asks another yogi are you working in a bread department? Shri Mataji: For you (inaudible) I am looking some job there (not clear) What happened? Did they (inaudible) (Sahaja yogi says something to Shri Mataji, not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: Sharda told me she saw you. Sahaja yogi: Yes, that’s right. Sahaja yogi says something to Mother, not audible. Shri Mataji: Now you are looking normal. Isn’t it? How do you feel? Do you still feel weak? Conversation with a yogi (not very clear) Shri Mataji: Left heart. So, sugar you are taking or not? Sahaja yogi: I am taking sugar, yeah. Shri Mataji: what else, milk? Sahaja yogi: I don’t take much milk. (inaudible) Shri Mataji: Milk you can take. The other milk that you get, skimmed milk. Sahaja yogi: I take maybe two or three ounce a week. Shri Mataji: No, no, milk you can take, skimmed, any amount you like. Because you see as long as you do not burden your liver too much, is alright. Because you have both the problems left and right both. Sahaja yogi: Yeah, Mother, today I had chapatis today. I had Atta. Shri Mataji: Atta, Chapati? (Both are Hindi language words for wheat bread) Is all right, I mean you have to take some carbohydrates. You should not be that rich also, an extreme sort of a thing that only proteins. Absolutely proteins is not a good thing. You must take sometimes something. Sahaja yogi hmmm. (not clear) If I am doing something in the house…(not clear) Shri Mataji: No that you should not do. (inaudible) Sahaja yogi: I have good practice and mmm I have good practice. Shri Mataji: Good what? Sahaja yogi: I have a good practice. Shri Mataji: what do you have for breakfast? Sahaja yogi: um, well recently I have been making roti (not clear) [ It sounds as if Some Sahaja yogi brings some present for Mother] Shri Mataji: For me? Oo that’s too much. You have come is more than sufficient. What is this? Why should you buy that? Alright, so may God bless you. You know you will be surprised today I saw this in a shop, not today, yesterday. Same colour. Yesterday absolute. May God bless you. And I told my husband if I have one like this, I would hang around…(inaudible) Is it alright? If you want, I think it’s alright. This is too much. May God bless you (inaudible) Very pretty, see, just see this, very nice. Conversation amongst Sahaj yogis and Shri Mataji not clearly audible. Sahaja yogi: this type Shri Mataji: this type what? There is no art in this. You see just whatever is available. This is art. There’s no art. Beautiful (inaudible) (Sahaja yogis talking to Shri Mataji, not clear) Shri Mataji: They’re still carrying on with the handicrafts here. Thanks that we are not so much overdeveloped that all handicrafts are lost. And then this small little thing just have a look. hmm Sahaja yogis say something (inaudible) Shri Mataji: oh, I see, oh I see, pull it down like that and then you pull this thing Sahaja yogis laugh. Shri Mataji: You see the, all delicacies were added by Muslims, Mohammad Sahib (inaudible) Beautiful. (inaudible) I never saw her. Did you see her? Sahaja yogi: (not clear) there was a French lady. (not clear) She was facing you and she was sitting with her right hand (inaudible) I was working on Andrew’s system. (Conversation between Sahaja yogi and Shri Mataji is not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: Horrible, how do you find her? Sahaja yogi: I didn’t spend lot of time with her. Shri Mataji: Such a complicated person. She is (inaudible) They have any secrets in the country. Because she was living with somebody as a wife who had a wife and a child for fifteen years and the wife never knew that he was and this fellow is known as a Ronnie driver, his name is. He is a big rich man. And much. This lady is as the same age as his daughter. And for fifteen years she lived with him and a maid servant, a nanny and she has two daughters from this man and the wife never knew. How is it possible? So, she said because here you see if you ask men where have you been or what did you do, they shout at you. So, they just give up some women. Some women are like that some men are like that. They just give up: you just do whatever you do and she did not know that he was carrying on. Then after fifteen years now she fell in love with some young man. Naturally, he must be an old fellow, fifty-five years old, whatever. Now she has fallen in love with somebody. She married that man and she has a little, she is going to have a baby now. And she has those two daughters with her. He gives them money, he spoils them, the father. And she is staying with him and now she feels guilty she said about that man whom she has left. I said very nice. And that’s why she is sulking. She has developed all these things on the face, and she is very unhappy. I said she doesn’t feel guilty that the man whom she has married now, who is so nice and such a humane person. Who would marry such a woman? But he is extremely kind to her. And she is trying to torture his life. Not guilty about it. She is not guilty about the wife being tortured there or a daughter being deprived of the father. She is only worried about this horrible fellow who also has got five, six girl friends. (Shri Mataji laughs) Real Asahaja case (not clear) Gaudin the great he says Mataji give it up. Its Asahaj complete. Shri Mataji laughs Sahaja yogi: Asahaja. Shri Mataji: Absolutely, just imagine. I mean how can I have any sympathy for her. I cannot and how can I have sympathy for that Ronnie driver. They are not human beings. They have no feelings for women. (Sahaja yogis say something, not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: And there will be many such cases coming up. If you want, you can blackmail them. Sahaj yogis laugh. Shri Mataji: Make some money for sahaj yog. It’s a common affair here they say. They have a wife here, they have a woman, they have keeps here. Sahaja yogi: Mind you, the first wife, the first wife might not have wanted to know, very often the wives don’t want to know (Shri Mataji: They don’t want…?) they don’t want to know (Shri Mataji: Yes.) If they married for the money they don’t want to know Shri Mataji: no, no, no, it’s no question. You see they were married long time back. And if a wife************************** WORKSHOP, Finchley Ashram, London (England) November 18th, 1977 Part -2 (Arrival of a new seeker brings about a discussion on TM) Shri Mataji: What I liked about in it the deep colour and then light blue is there. Really you cannot say which is the background colour. The whole thing is light. you cannot make out which is the, Sahaja yogi says something (not audible) Shri Mataji: Yes absolutely, it’s a beautiful thing, absolutely beautiful. I myself have been admiring it all the time (Sahaja yogis laugh) Really beautiful I tell you. I saw this and I bought this. Told my husband this is for Gavin? He said alright, very beautiful. Yesterday he saw it here you see. He said I never knew it is such a good thing, you can’t get but she wanted back. Sahaja yogi: Mrs. Cooper was very surprised. She said how did you come? What night you come, by evening tonight….(not clear)May I know Mrs. Shrivastava’s first name? ….(not clear) embassy wife…and I could not figure out? They were really surprised. Has she had many meetings like this? (not clear) …how she gave her name for this…(not clear) I never knew(not clear)Really surprised, really ..(not clear) Shri Mataji: She was, she was so surprised, she told my husband I never knew that she was such a powerful speaker, such a convincing speaker, such a loving speaker and all kinds of things. She said she is very great I must say, in her own right she is very great. New Seeker: Hello Shri Mataji: Hello! I knew you will be there. New seeker: yes, I have to, I have to come Shri Mataji: May God bless you! May God bless you. (One word not clear) He was very good. Please sit down. What’s your name? New person: Andrew Shri Mataji: Andrew and sir name? New seeker: Clark Shri Mataji: Clark. So where have you been going for spiritual search? New seeker, Andrew: Oh! Shri Mataji: England? New seeker: England yeah(inaudible)Zen Shri Mataji: Zen is this only. This is Zen. New seeker: It’s words. (Not clear) It is all words. (Sahaja yogis laugh) Shri Mataji: Yeah, I know, is true, it’s true. Now the machine has started. Yeah. Now Zen, Zen is same, Khalil Gibran, same you see but as you say words were words and now it’s done. New seeker: it’s experience. Shri Mataji: This is the experience Zen. New seeker: Now there are no words (Sahaja yogis laugh) Shri Mataji: Now you are a Kashyapa, you are a Zen, you are a Zen master now. You are!! Sahaja yogi: (not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: come along. New person: my son’s trainee is a TM teacher. Sahaja yogi: He is telling his son’s trainee is a TM teacher. Sound of Shri Mataji breathing deeply. New seeker: he is nineteen (not clear) I got nothing out of TM apart from relaxation. Shri Mataji: That is another kind of relaxation we will tell you. But you got something terrible with that. I ‘ll tell you all about that. You get now here TM people. But that’s the trouble you see. At the age of nineteen years, they don’t understand. They are very young, alright. Then they take to something, without understanding. They fall deep down into it. When they are ruined, they come to me. New seeker: He has found out by himself. I can’t stop him. Shri Mataji: But you wait something and meet him. We have got so many TM now. New Seeker: He is in Germany now. Shri Mataji: Better do something about this fellow. You see TM is one of the most convenient things to be done. Only thing you have to give away some money. Part with your money. If you can part with your money, then it is the easiest thing to take devils from him. You know is very easy. How you do it? You can have any vices you feel like. You can drink as much as you like. You can have ten women around. You can kill anybody. You can do any violence, makes no difference to TM. Only if you can give him money. He will put some devil into you, and you relax. That’s all. Is the easiest thing. To give somebody money and please somebody with money is the easiest thing to do. I think, nothing difficult. Seeker: I don’t like it. I got nothing out of it but my son (not clear) Shri Mataji: we’ll save him. Don’t you worry. What’s his name? Seeker: Robin, Robin Clark Shri Mataji: Clark, you said sir name. (Not clear) What is he? What is he doing, he is a student? New Seeker: he is a student. He works for TM people (inaudible) Shri Mataji: He’ll be alright. When did he join them? New seeker: when he was sixteen (not audible) Shri Mataji: Jane, there is a handkerchief in my, pocket. Terrible pain in the back. We started his working now. Do this TM fellow and when I visited them, I understand what I found those people just shivering like this before me. They said now we are all becoming mad. We are nervous, we are good for nothing. And the man with whom he stayed, with whom he stayed has died now. His son is very young. He is about I think twenty-five years of age. But he started his work I think about ten or twelve years back. But this son also has become like that like the father. Very recently he developed something like a Parkinson’s disease. And this boy is also doing the same thing. Then what these people told me (one lady says something not clear) So, he, he said, this boy told me and many others have told me, that even if somebody takes the name of God, even if you take the name of God, even then he, they start shivering. Even if they go near a church or a mosque they start shivering. And even if these incenses are burnt they say, he starts shivering. But one man told me if he sees any light, he starts shivering. I mean any natural light like a candle or deepas we have in India. He just can’t see that. He can bear these but not this. Fire he cannot see. Sahaja yogi: Cannot see? Shri Mataji: Canno see. He cannot stand, I mean he cannot stand. He cannot see with his eyes, fire. He cannot go near the sea. If there is rain, he is sitting in the house. He was terrible in Delhi and I don’t know, his age is about not much of say hardly fifty five or so but he looks like a old man doing this. Nothing left in him. So very bad thing to do. Of course, I have removed that from him. He’s better now but still you know these if you practice it for years together then they don’t give you a peace (not clear) Even if in my presence they may disappear but they come back unless and until you positively turned them out. See there are some methods, Mohammad Sahab has suggested some very good methods how to turn them and have to use Christ’s name very much for that. Because he is really, he is the one who is chaser of this horrible, he is a real chaser. And that’s how you to manage it otherwise it’s not easy because once I get into you, very difficult. Now we had in our first program at least two hundred and fifty people. Out of that at least hundred and fifty were from TM. Sahaja yogi: inaudible Shri Mataji: Yes, they have been to TM. Sahaja yogi: they just tried it. Shri Mataji: Tried, yes some of them have just tried some. Now out of that 50 of them I would say really stuck on, you know. They wanted to see what it is like really. They did touch. You see everybody touches, alright. They touched the Sahasrara but again they went down you see. But some of them were so nicely touched. Though they went down they remembered their experience. And they stuck on to it. And now within eight days or so. (now Shri Mataji asks Sahaja yogis) eight days have passed or fifteen days have passed? Sahaja yogis: Oh, more… Shri Mataji: no but they improved after the second program, after that. That was one week, just after one week they improved. And after the second program they improved tremendously I must say, because for this program they were much more. Sahaja yogi: inaudible Shri Mataji: some of you really because this is the, this is such an, this is such a promise to me because TM in Bombay I have tried on some people TM I said as I told you I have also helped them. But some of them I was not able to do much. Only their Kundalini freezes down and doesn’t rise at all. It’s very difficult. But you people have been real seekers I tell you though you been to TM and all that, you have been real seekers that’s how you’ve got it. Otherwise I mean TM means I just say baba , I can’t understand, impossible. Because they are very difficult and complicated. Had a little problem . You want to tell me something. Seeker: (not audible) Shri Mataji: Come here, come here. You put your right hand over here. If you want you can sit. You put this handout. (inaudible) You take the chair please. Your eyes also. Vishuddhi? Vishuddhi first will be hit. What is the name he has given you this horrid fellow? What is it? Seeker: no, I can’t. I promised not to say. Shri Mataji: No, you tell Me, who is he to promise to Seeker: A promise is a promise. Shri Mataji: no, no, no, no, no, not to a devil. You must tell Me otherwise he will keep the promise to you. Just tell Me. Seeker: keyring Shri Mataji: keyring? I do not know. Seeker: inaudible Shri Mataji: Key ring! Keyring! You said. English word? Seeker: Yes, English word, that’s right. (inaudible) Shri Mataji laughs aloud. Sahaja yogis laugh. Seeker: (not audible) Shri Mataji: … Yesterday. Seeker: For many years, I have lot of anxiety, I mean it went, I got rid of it but now it’s coming back (inaudible) Shri Mataji: Where is it? Here? I know. (Sahaja yogis laugh) You see, they are feeling the chakras. Be comfortable. Let him have a chair, I think it’s better. Seeker: No, I don’t need. (inaudible) Shri Mataji: You are alright. Nabhi and this. He creates cancer. I mean he can do anything nonsense. The way he might excite your sympathetic sometimes. This anxiety can give you mental problem. Isn’t it? You will not be able to sleep. I mean he can do anything. You see you are not regarded as anything great but still there is an effect, see. Right … Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you, David? David: Very well, thank you. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. David: I got a job. Shri Mataji: You got a job. Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations! David: (not so clear)...I was catching on Mooladhara from home but apart from that, I got the job, I’m very happy. Shri Mataji: All of you should be there to finish all this chana. I am so happy. May God bless you. Shri Mataji says to new seeker, : Be comfortable, be comfortable. You can take a chair or you can sit here, you sit here. It’s alright, you sit here. (Sahaja yogis talking amongst themselves) Shri Mataji to the Sahaja Yogi who is working on the seeker: More on this side. Put it down he has touched, he has touched? Sahaja Yogi: Raise the left and put down the right? Shri Mataji: You take it out from here. Now raise the Pingala and put it because you see his working is on the Pingala, I told you. He works on the Pingala. Shri Mataji asks David: So, what is the job? Where are you going to work? David: I am selling carpets. Shri Mataji: Aha good! David: (inaudible) The Oriental Carpet Room. Very, very nice carpets but I’ve done it before in Scotland I’ve sold carpets. (Break in recording) Shri Mataji: They will say I am devil personified. No, they are going to come. It is all announced already in the scriptures. They are going to take the name of God, of spiritual life, of self-realization and that’s all … (Not clear) Isn’t it? That is what they want to do. They are not going to come and say No, I am the devil. Come along. Seeker: Subtle Shri Mataji: Very subtle they are, extremely subtle. And they have to be subtler than all of you. If they are not subtler, how are they going to master. First of all, you see for yourself and then believe or disbelieve in comes later on. Keep yourself open. The more open you are the more it will work out, alright. You don’t have to believe me blindly. Not at all. Because that is not going to help me at all. You must open your eyes. I want you to open your eyes and see for yourself because by seeing you can guide yourself and you can guide others also. Blindly where will you jump and where are the (not clear word) to jump. Seeker: yeah Shri Mataji: Isn’t it? So, I don’t want blind followers at all. What do you say now? It’s better, now it’s better? Sahaja yogis: Still (not clear) something up here. Seeker: Just feeling anxiety, not related to them (not clear) Sahaja yogi: left Vishuddhi Shri Mataji: That’s a Left Vishuddhi problem. New Seeker: … becomes a habit after awhile… Shri Mataji: You see, it is, the anxiety is given to you by something unknown to you. And when you do not know something then why (not clear) isn’t it? Sahaja yogi: (not audible) Shri Mataji: that’s, that’s the spirit. Nothing else. But did you get some limes? You better get some from the market. Ask them to get it. Sahaja yogi: I will go and get it. Shri Mataji: get me some twelve dozen or so. Sahaja yogi: limes or lemons? Shri Mataji: limes are better because you see (not clear) or lemons are alright. Lemons are alright. Not very big ones. So, lemons can be. Sahaja yogi: not audible. Seeker: I always heard (not clear) my mind says I am not prepared (not clear) Shri Mataji: (inaudible) no, no, really (not clear) You see you don’t have to worry about all that. I am going to look after. These people who have written about kundalini, you should have heard me before, when I told about (not clear) it’s all written about. They don’t even know where is kundalini? Exactly. I can show you. You see they don’t even know where it is lying. Just imagine they have written such big books. There is a book written by Abon or someone. Such a big book, you see and then I (not clear) a lady she told me they don’t even know whether it lies in the subtle form at the back or in the front. They don’t know anything. Now you will see with your own eyes and feel it with your hands. And know for yourself what is kundalini. All these people are talking, talking, talking, such cheats. No one has been to there. Sahaja yogi: some new people joining in from Shri Mataji: I think Jameel, Jameel read one book on this thing on a and he came to me (not clear) Sahaja yogi says something which is inaudible. Seeker: I have read that book (not clear) kundalini (not clear) accidently Shri Mataji: Accidently Shri Mataji: He doesn’t deserve it. If you see his private life no kundalini is going to come out of it. I can tell you. Sahaja yogi: no the one you introduced me the one that (not clear) Shri Mataji: No, no, the one that is that Ananda that they are in India they wanted to have a big collaboration with Indira Gandhi to sixty-five lakhs of rupees they were going to spend for this kundalini yoga. Not a word he knows, and he is against Sahaja yogi: He is the one. The one that (not clear) He is Ankit Mukhrjee Shri Mataji: who? Sahaja yogi: Ankit Mukherjee, I think. That was one of them Sharda Devi invited, Ankit Mukherjee. The other guys put on me yoga (not clear) some tantrism. Shri Mataji: I mean the ignorance was sufficient. On top of that the confusion. Ah! It’s terrible. Just imagine my plight. See when I have come in this world, when people have lost their innocence. Those who are seekers, you see, have lost their power to recognize. Such a confusion, such a confusion. New seeker comes to Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: sit down. Take out your socks and you sit facing your feet that side and your back towards me. Take out your socks please. Now I will work it out. Him also, just see his kundalini and all that. Shri Mataji to the new seeker: put your hands straight. Keep your hands on the lap Alright! Sahaja yogi: not audible. Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi and where is the kundalini? Watch here alright, you watch here. Not here please. Those who are in the service or who are doing all this planning stuff or artists, musicians, they will be all attracted to it naturally. Because he is on the pingla side. Hm, now you feel better? Agnya. Shri Mataji asks new seeker: you have done some concentration and all that? Seeker: not audible Shri Mataji: Seeking like a motor car alright. Now a motor car if you don’t know how to drive, I really don’t know anything about the motor car. I try to do something to it, gets spoilt. So, some expert has to teach you, has to start for you. Something like that. Haan! better now. Its better. How is he? Sahaja yogi: he is better. Shri Mataji: His problem is his son. Imagine for a father even to know about his own son is a big problem and there was a yesterday in the evening news there was a article about a father (not audible) Sahaja yogi: it’s too much cold on the right side, too much cold on the right than the left. Shri Mataji: because I am working on the left, right. Now, better Sahaja yogi: it’s getting better Shri Mataji: hu? Sahaja yogi: its getting better Shri Mataji: hmmm Gavin what do you say? You were looking very tired yesterday. Working on the people I believe. (Shri Mataji laughs) What do you say Jane? Sahaja yogini: not audible. Shri Mataji: right? Jane: Right swadishthan Shri Mataji: Better. Right swadishthan, better Sahaja yogi: He’s calm down a lot. Shri Mataji: no will Sahaja yogi: inaudible Shri Mataji: left, or right? Sahaja yogi: left much than the right. Shri Mataji: left. Hmm how is it? Sahaja yogi: right agnya Shri Mataji: right agnya. See now, open, agnya I will open now. Open now agnya. Though I mean it is weak agnya chakra. Here’s the kundalini. Put a force. All of you put a force. Just you watch here, alright. You just keep your eyes closed. Don’t get into trance. Just keep alert. You are alert. Absolutely alert. See now where is it stopping? If you are seeing anything or anything you just don’t see anything. You should not bother, alright. You have to reach there. Haan! Sahaja yogis: inaudible Shri Mataji: only the right agnya has to open. Now can you forgive people. Just say I forgive all of them. Just say I forgive. This is the mantra you say inside yourself. I forgive all of them so that God may forgive me. Just say. Haan! (inaudible) I tied the Kundalini. New seeker: inaudible Shri Mataji: not seekers, just see. Sahaja yogi: inaudible Shri Mataji: Tell me all about it, tell me then what happened. New seeker: (inaudible) this force running through me. Shri Mataji: no, no, this is so because he opened out. But what happens when possession comes back to him when he gets anxious that’s all. But he has opened out, see he has opened out, no doubt. Aa now see the forces started again. New seeker: like a symbol (inaudible) Shri Mataji: beautiful. He is such a beautiful man. New seeker: I am very bad man. Shri Mataji: Haa! if a diamond is covered with mud, you don’t call it mud, do you? Haa! Vishuddhi still, left, or right? Sahaja yogi: right (Sahaja yogis laugh after talking something amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: now see now, how is it? Is it much better? Sahaja yogi: agnya Shri Mataji: agnya, too much agnya or little? Sahaja yogi: there is pressure coming in. Shri Mataji: its better now. It’s going now. Let him sit in the water. Let him face me Jane, you sit down, she will tell you. Is there any salt in it? Sahaja yogini: yes Shri Mataji: Keep. there, there, let him sit there. No, where is it? Better there? Or may be here, it’s alright. (Sahaja yogis talk amongst themselves) Shri Mataji: bring some Kumkum for him, for his agnya. Sahaja yogi: not clear New seeker: yeah, excuse me. Shri Mataji: how far you have gone. Hmm, (inaudible) you can bring some water in a, Jane, bring some in a bowl. I will just pour. Put your both the hands, towards me. Put this thing, clear for me. All these.

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Tantrism, public program, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 21 November 1977. My dear seekers,I’m thankful to Gavin Brown that he has been able to sum up some of the things I’ve said before and I don’t have to go into all the details of what I told you last time. Some of you have come for the first time here. [Tape interrupted].As he said, Tantra means the technique, it’s a technique. And Yantra, in Sanskrit language, means the mechanism. So, the technique of the mechanism.Now what is this mechanism we are talking about? Is there any mechanism outside or inside of us? Or is it worked through some subtle method? All these questions should come to our mind if you are seeking and if you are seeker. But I think that in the West people though are very much developed materially, they have sorted out many material questions and problems, they are very well equipped, but as far as the spiritual life is concerned, still, they are very naive. Though they had such a great personality like Christ to follow, and what a model it was! But maybe because of an organized religion perhaps, it was not possible for people who were seeking truly to penetrate into it through meditative methods.So, this Tantra or the technique which works out our Self-realization is to be known, to be understood fully. And the Yantra that works out, you have already got. I’m thankful to Patrick who has made a beautiful sketch of that Yantra which is within you. It’s the instrument which is within you. But when we think of an instrument with our human mind, we cannot think of an instrument which is a living instrument. It is beyond our conception to understand a living machine. This one is a living instrument within you.When we see a tree sprouting out of a small little seed, working out its blossoming one has to know that there must be some technique or some mechanism that works out this beautiful tree to grow. And when we evolved from amoeba to this stage, we have to see there must be some mechanism which thinks, understands, organizes, loves, which has brought about this human stage from that amoeba stage.In ancient India, long time, people had lots of time. They went into themselves, into their being, through meditative understanding. They had a glimpse of this mechanism and they talked about it and wrote about it and that’s how this Yantra, the mechanism, and the Tantra, the manoeuvring of it, the technique of it, came into being. But it was a secret science. It was a very secret science and it was kept hidden from the general public. It was used by very few great masters who lived in the jungles, had one or two disciples, worked on them for years together and taught them about the technique of the Divine. They had to leave everything, their family, everyone, live with the Guru, lead a completely celibate life and bring about a complete transformation under the guidance of their loving Gurus. This was in ancient times.And what did they achieved and what did they have? It’s all written in our scriptures. What do you expect out of Self-realization is written in the Bible, in the Koran, in the Torah and also in all the Indian philosophy.Only because we [inaudible] that in some of these scriptures, it is written in a very secretive manner, under some words that, "I will appear before you as tongues of flames." Now nobody’d know what ‘tongues of flames’ is. There are so many sentences which you can find out now when you go and read which nobody can explain unless and until they have had an experience of Kundalini.This is the Yantra, the mechanism, is the Kundalini, is a living force within you. It exists, it is there, it’s placed for your Realization, for your jumping into another awareness which is promised to you through various scriptures, through various incarnations. It is within you. Nobody told you lies. There is nothing but truth written in these books. But it was to be guarded. It was to be made into secret because people would have used it for their purposes. And they have despite all efforts. First, I would like to speak about Self-realization because that is blissful and then I’ll tell you about the so-called tantrism. I have to talk about it though I have told about these things in the previous lecture because there are many that have been cheated. I have now shown here all these centers and all the mechanism that is within us. They have also given you a picture of that, I have told you which are the deities sitting on all these different Chakras, as we call the centers, which have incarnated on this earth, have built up our being one by one gradually in different evolutionary processes and how we have become human beings, this I have told you last time. This is the Yantra and the mechanism that is this Yantra, Kundalini, is a holy mechanism. And this mechanism is specially created within the being of the God’s Man, of the God’s Being, the Macrocosm and we are the cells – all of us – in that. We were made aware as fishes of the soil, we became reptiles. We were made aware of the food available at the heights, we raised our head. Gradually we became human beings. After this state we started thinking of God. We started thinking on something beyond. Man is the only animal who thinks of God and of searching it. Is the man aware that he has to become something? Why is he so confused? Why is he under so tension? What did he search?He is searching something of which he has a glimpse – a glimpse of that joy he gets it and that joy comes from his Self – Atma – in his heart. He has not felt it, he has not been able to manifest the power of his Self. But there is a mechanism placed within him, properly built up inside, all the time present in all the human beings just like this as it is placed in the God’s Being. In His image, it is also placed within you. As I said last time that you are all built to be just like computers. Now the job is to put you to the mains. That’s why you are seeking. That’s the only urge you have in life. All other urges are actually the side issues. You think you are searching in money, in position is a myth. Those who have money are dissatisfied, those who have positions are dissatisfied, everybody is dissatisfied. The satisfaction can only come to you when you will reach the real thing which you are searching. And the real thing is your Self and nothing else. All other things are useless because you are not searching anything else, you are only searching your Self and that Self is the reflection of God Almighty. That is within your heart.Now the mechanism that is placed within you is this beautiful thing inside which is placed inside your spinal cord and not outside. Except for the last chakra [Mooladhara] which is in the red colour that is outside, in the prostate. And this is a very, very important chakra which controls the cervical plexus within us, I’m sorry, the pelvic plexus within us. It is very important because it is very sensitive and also it is very delicate because it is placed outside the spinal cord.This mechanism that is placed outside the spinal cord, down below there, is the most important chakra and was created first. When the creation started this was the first thing that was created. And what does it emit? Holiness, innocence. It emits innocence. And the deity sitting on this, is the embodiment of innocence. This deity was created in another dimension and he is, you have seen there, is Shri Ganesha. This is the image of Shri Ganesha that was created at that stage. And what does it represent? It’s the stage between the animal and the man and the head is that of the animal showing that an animal does not have any ego, that the man is different from an animal, that the animal is innocent, he doesn’t know what is sin, that’s why he is innocent. Because you know what is sin that’s why ‘you’ are innocent but you can become define, [unsure] contaminated. He is innocence personified. He said it. And He incarnates too on this earth. He incarnated as Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus Christ. He took His form as Lord Jesus-Christ and because He is innocent, He’s made of that essence of divine nature of God that we call as Paramatma [unsure], the highest essence of God. And that’s why His body is also made out of that and that is the reason He could resurrect it. By reading Bible, which was written by disciples of Christ, how far can you go to understand Him? Because He was created beyond your thoughts, beyond your mind, in an unlimited Unconscious. And how can you, with your limited mind, understand Him or copy Him? It is said that, "Even Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh cannot reach Him. He is so pure". He is purity. He is innocence and He exists at that point and it is He at every point, every chakra He bestows upon you the blessings of innocence. Innocence was the first thing created on this Earth.Before creating anything else it was innocence all everywhere. And He bestows that innocence by which you get your Self-realization. On the left-hand side of this mechanism there are seven strata. On the right-hand side there are seven strata, down below there are seven strata and on top there are seven strata. What are these strata and what do they reach in you?The left-hand side chakras, the left-hand side channel which is called as Ida channel represents the subconscious, the subconscious mind within you. You listen to Me through your conscious mind and put it back into the subconscious mind. All your experiences go into the subconscious. That is the limit of your subconscious of present here. Beyond that goes, is your subconscious of previous lives and beyond that goes, is the collective subconscious. When you listen to Me you have got a conscious mind which receives it at this moment and there is a pre-conscious mind which takes it to the subconscious. This pre-conscious mind is on the right-hand side. This also has got seven strata on this side. Just now the pre-conscious mind is the future that you are thinking about. Beyond that is the supra-conscious mind, means all the ideas about future you have had before, many lives before. Those ideas are there. And beyond that is the collective supra-conscious mind.So, on the left-hand side you have sub-conscious and the collective sub-conscious; on the right-hand side: supra-conscious and the collective supra-conscious mind.Down below are the seven strata of Hell. H.E.L.L. Sometimes the words are so small that it doesn’t register in your mind. If I say ‘Supra-conscious’, then people say, “Ah! Mataji has said ‘supra-conscious’.” But ‘Hell’, and Hell is a truth. It exists within us! It is there. And there are seven strata of that also. Conscious mind also has got seven strata which are built in within us through our different evolutionary processes. And these are the seven strata which are placed here of the conscious mind and then you go on top of the head into Super-conscious mind, which is the subtle mind, is the eternal mind, the Unconscious in which you have to move in seven strata. You say, "Mataji it’s too much!" But it’s not. You are already built-in for that.For example, if I tell this light, "You have to get enlightened and cover the whole hall", it will say, "Oh! It’s too much." No, it is built like that. You have to just press the button. It opens and works because it is built that way, has been organized that way, is placed that way, that it works. When we face things that we think difficult, we think we have to do it and that’s why you are worried, you don’t have to worry: it’s already done! And it will be done also by the One who is organizing it. Only thing what you have to do, is to witness. The One who has created this universe, where you there? The One who has created all the greenery then human being where you there? He is the One who is going to do this for you and the time has come, as Gavin has said it beautifully, that the blossom time has come and it will work out with you.But it surprises Me, you know, human beings sometimes I cannot understand. When I told them that, "It is going to work out" they said, "How can it be? It has to be difficult". Before even starting about it, must you sit down with this idea on your head, "Oh! It’s going to be very difficult". I say, "It is the easiest and the simplest thing. Being so important it cannot be difficult". Anything important like your breathing, if it becomes difficult and if you have to read about breathing, "How am I to breathe?" Now you go into books and see, "Now, you have to do like this". By the time you take the book, you are out. If you have to read about your Self-realization then God saves the Self-realization and God saves you. It’s your right that you are going to get your Self-realization. I’m not pampering your ego. But that’s how you have been made. Even your ego, which you are condemning every morning and evening, was an essential part of the seeking. Only you the human beings have evolved the ego to know something on their own. So, this mechanism was made specially in such a manner that through your ego and your superego you have become an ‘I’ personality. Like people say, "This is Mister Kumar. This is X, this is Y". You become a separate identity from that big, vast personality of which you are just as that. And the consciousness of that comes to you, that you are a separate identity and you have to see the oneness with that. And that is what is Self-realization. Nothing else!That you become that. Not what you do, but it’s the becoming of that. Like you say, a seed becomes a flower. It becomes a flower. You don’t – the seed doesn’t go and read a book, "Oh! I know what it is". Or it doesn’t listen to any lecture of Mataji or anything, it just becomes a flower. In the same way, you have to become that. And not to just to be brain-washed or to be done something else which I will tell you later, how per misuse you can do, in the name of Self-realization. [Shri Mataji laughs.] So many of them are aware of it. So, they know that.Now what happens you can know it, what is the mechanism, how it works out, let us see the positive side of it. And then I will tell you the negative side. There is a Kundalini placed in that triangular bone there, you can see it pulsate. We have a doctor here he will say that, "Yes, he has seen it". You can see the pulsation of the Kundalini very clearly. You can see the rising of the Kundalini very clearly with your naked eyes. You can also feel it coming up. It comes. How it comes? How it works out? It’s another detailed program which I may be able to tell you later on or I have already told quite a lot about it.This comes up – the Kundalini – and pierces your fontanel bone, pierces! What is this Kundalini? It is a residual force within you. Is awareness which understands, thinks, loves and organizes, it’s an energy. Now we cannot think, human beings cannot think of an energy that can think, love, organize. We cannot. This is the energy that comes up, you can see the pulsation. You can see the bringing of it with your naked eye, that’s wat you can believe. It comes up and pierces your fontanel bone and you can feel the baptism that you become like a child because your fontanel bone becomes very soft. I mean, but that doesn’t mean that if you have a soft bone here, that doesn’t mean that you are a Self-realized person. No. When you enter not on left side or right-hand side but when you enter onto the top, onto the first strata of the Super-consciousness, then what happens? First thing that should happen to you, is that you become one with the Collective Being. "You become", again I say. It is not lecturing, "We are all brothers and sisters. There should be no racism". All this is lecturing. I’m not saying lecturing. It becomes. How?When this thing enters through this into that subtle form, you start feeling from your hands a cool breeze flowing. This is described in our scriptures. If you read even Christ has said, "Something passed out of My body when somebody touched Me". [Luke 8.46] But in our scriptures, it’s given very, very clearly. Here, in some of them, for example, I would say Shankara. Shankaracharya described that as Saundarya Lahari. He called it as Saundarya Lahari’s force somewhere else. He called them vibrations. Everybody, people are talking of vibrations but they don’t know what they’re talking.These vibrations that flow from your hand are cool vibrations and also, they understand, they think and heal other people. When you put your hand towards another person, you start suddenly getting a burning here. Left-hand side burning on this finger is the Vishuddhi chakra, is this one. Now, if you know the deity who is there, and if you take the name of that particular deity who is sitting here, if you know and if you are a Realized soul, then only. If you are not Realized you have no authority. You have no authority to take to any mantra unless and until you are a Realized soul. Supposing I give you some mantra. You must know it is a misleading, because whatever is said, whatever is the center in danger or in trouble, you must get that one. The one who is not a Realized soul cannot make out what is the problem, where is the problem. And the one who is not Realized, if he is given the mantra, his mantra has no authority. Like, if I want to go and see the Queen, I must take a permission. I must have some connection with her. I should be able to go and meet her. But if I go and meet her straight and say, "Oh! Queen, come along". The way we call God sometimes is most surprising. You wouldn’t even call any servant like that the way we call Him, "God, come along! Do this. This is my problem. What are you doing for me?""I have faith in God" as if we have, sort of, we are getting obligations. As if He is obliged to us, "Oh! I have faith in God, Mother, then why did he miss it? " Who has faith? I mean, He exists. He’s an eternal being. If you have faith in that, you are ready for fight, not ‘He’. You cannot add to His Dom [unsure].Any mantra is given to you just by any Dick, Tom and Harry. Anyone coming, "I’ll give you a mantra". I mean to tell you about them later on. All those mantras that are said are for the deities, were done by these Gurus as I told you in ancient times for very few people. They used to raise the Kundalini very gradually. They used to take it from their seat which is the Mooladhara – not the Mooladhara chakra – from that triangular bone and they used to raise it one by one.For seven years, it used to hang into one center then they would give one mantra, "All right, now, go on with it! Work it out! Cleanse it! Do it! " Then again, another chakra. Then again, another chakra. All right. It has been done like that: very slow process. As in India, you see, they said that when they had to go to Kashi or Benares, they used to sell out their houses, everything. And they knew that they may never return. Or even if they go, they might take so many years to reach Benares that by that time they will be absolutely old people and they would not have energy to return. Now, if you have to go to Benares, only thing what you can do is to go from here to Delhi and take a plane and go directly.So that time is over and Kundalini now can be worked out just like that, because the time has come for you to get it. There were never so many seekers in the world before I can tell you this. Only people who existed in the name of religion were Orthodox, Arabic, horrible people who crucified Christ, who killed Muhammad Sahib, who tortured Dnyaneshwara, who tortured Kabira, who tortured of all the things, Shankaracharya. Buddha, Mahavira, you read anyone of them. All these horrid people in the name of religion tortured. And today now, we have got these satanic people coming out of that Hell. They have suffered there, you see, they were punished and after their punishment they are coming out with a double force with a new subtler method of befooling you people. In Self-realization you get bliss, complete bliss, tranquillity, the Collective Consciousness and you can manoeuvre this power yourself. It is ‘your’ power that is manifested and nobody else’s but you. As you have been to all these satanic people – most of you have been. Last time I saw that and when I told them, you see, they tried. As I’m working very hard, you know, I’m working very hard. But some of them have really spoiled their path of Sushumna, the central path. So badly they have spoiled it, that unless and until they give up all that, it’s not going to work out.If you are truly seeking, I’m there to work for you. You don’t have to pay any money for it. No, never think of that because this is divine and divine cannot be sold in the market. First thing that should come into your head as Christians specially that Christ has taken a hunter in his hand and started beating those people. That’s the only time He really lost his temper on them when they were selling the religion. And today all of them are selling it and you very, very humbly go and bow.All kinds of these beggars and parasites have come in this country and all over the Western countries. They are nothing but beggars take it from me. Worse than beggars they are the worst culprits.So, this is what Self-realization is and in Self-realization you get all the blessings of God, gradually you go into thoughtless awareness and then into doubtless awareness which we call Nirvikalpa and then into Self-realization completely. In that we have some people in India – they have met them – who are completely Self-realized and who, sitting down there, can work out the Kundalini of other people. They are living in the family. They have got their children. They have got their grand-children. And they are working it out. You don’t have to run away from that, no extremes are needed, nothing. It is ‘within you’ and ‘within you’ it is going to work out. These outside things and these extreme things are not needed. Just be normal people. God has created this world for you to enjoy! It is for your enjoyment. It is his blessings that you have to feel through Self-realization. When the light of the Self flows in, you see the joy pouring. You see it pouring from your head downwards and you are just drenched. All your tensions go. All your problems go away.The ego and superego which he has shown here, as the black and the yellow, both of them open up and you see they’re going down. It happens. There is an imbalance, there is a – some sort of a – hurt in you. Sometimes I can say there could a very great wound into you, could be there are some spies sitting in you, could be that you are possessed without knowing that you are possessed. You don’t know how these people have manoeuvred and I hope I will be able to tell you now how they have manoeuvred and what sort of horrid people they are. I think I should take off my shoes perhaps. Works out better. So, about these horrid people now. In India, since long, if you say the origin of so-called tantrism which is just the opposition of real tantra which is Sahaja Yoga, of the genuine tantra. If tantrism is to be considered as a genuine stuff, then it is Sahaja Yoga.But this tantrism, this so-called – came into being in our country since long. Ancient times when these Gurus were having those few disciples with them, three, four disciples were taken with great difficulty. But they were, after all, human beings. They used to be competition with them. And Guru would accept only one out of them or two out of them, would take them a little ahead and would then leave them out saying that, "No. We cannot treat you anymore. You cannot be helped. You’d better go away". Such a useless, half-baked person would come down to the public and would start a method by which he would put up a show against these fools. This is the beginning, I would say. So, he would now sit down and meditate.Still, you know, as a Mother, I don’t want to condemn all of them. I will give them a benefit of doubt and the benefit of doubt is this: that when they were concentrating, they tried to leak into their Mooladhara chakra, which you cannot enter in, which is below the Kundalini. This Mooladhara chakra controls the sex. Why? Because it is innocent. It’s a child and the child doesn’t understand sex that’s why it is not contaminated by it. It is like a lotus coming out of the mud of sex. In that lotus sits Shri Ganesha. These people tried to peep into that thinking that through sex, they might be able to see him. And they might have seen - this is my own way of putting it – not him completely but his trunk as you see it. And they might have confused it – still I say – that trunk to be the Kundalini.When I tried to understand human beings, I thought this may have been. Because how could man be just entering into hell directly with all understanding? It’s too much to Me. So, by mistake maybe, that they saw this. All right? So, first the Tantrikas came in. Tantrikas were the first. Then we have Tantrikas – basically I’m telling you- these evil geniuses are. In the fact, you see, you cannot divide them into all details, but you can give a basic broad outline about them. The Tantrikas. Tantrikas are the people who use sex for so-called Self-realization. Mantrikas are the people who use mantras for so-called Self-realization.Then there are Chandadikas [unsure] who use evil geniuses to be introduced as evil spirits into human beings – called as Chandadikas. Then Pishachikas are the people who used supraconscious devils into human beings. They are over dynamic, over ambitious sort of people. We have got Abhogis [unsure] who taught them to put, say, they can put a, put a dagger into their hands, you see, Abhogis. Then we have got [Begeals?] [Begeals?] are the people who can do horrible, horrible gestures, you see, they can pull their stomach in, push it here, push it there, all sorts of things they do. And we have also Sexo-yogis. Minimum. I have categorized them as that. But I don’t know how many styles of things there are. Because when it comes to evil they come and prosper like this. Viruses they are. And they know how to hit you off. They themselves are destroying, they cannot see you constructing. They cannot see you evolve. That is one of the basic reasons where they are out as all these. So, these Tantrikas first started their job. In the Rama’s time, say about twelve thousand years back, there was a Yajna, a kind of ceremony known as Ashvamedha. It’s written in the books about that. Even that, the books, the scriptures they ruined by saying that Ashvamedha, there was nothing else but a sex act. The Shakti and Shiva, which is God who is innocent and his Power is the Shakti, like light and the lamp or the sun and the sunlight. There also, they introduced the symbol of sex. This happened in the sixth century. It was at its heights, tantrism in our country, a complete belt was taken. Say, it started from Konark, it goes to Khajuraho. So much so they were influenced people, that all other scriptures were thrown into the rivers and tantrism became the scripture of Hinduism [unsure].Thank God, by organized religion at least, you would not allow people to tempt too much with that, thought it was, but not so much. It would help. There is so much freedom, that licentiousness to do whatever you please with that scripture, to - can you imagine? From the scriptures, they started spoiling in the sixth century. Now what was the historical background for that? That was the best time, best breeding time of these horrible people. Because at that time, as you too had very extreme type of orthodox people- Jainism, now we have a sect of people called as Jainism. Now, horrid. I mean, all of them are, but one of them, horrid things I can tell you – that they believe in vegetarianism to such an extent! It’s a horrid thing to tell you because I’ve already told Gavin. And for the first time, I’ll be shameless to tell these people, that they do not want to destroy even the insects that are in the filth. To them an insect [cut in the audio]So that lots of bugs can bite him and take out his blood and they pay him lot of money. Is a fact, even today they do sometimes in the villages. They think it’s the greatest punya, is the greatest –Shri Mataji [aside]: What you say that punya it means?Sahaja Yogi: Hu?Shri Mataji: It’s a good deed, you see, a religious deed, is to make a man get inside a hut and bugs must come and they take the blood. So, these Jains – so-called vegetarians, horrid – they were the ministers you know. Some way or other they became ministers. So.And the Maharajas – you know the word ‘raja’, that’s the king – were the Hindus. And Hindus, as usual, are very indifferent to religion. Whatever one may say about India, I agree it is a very great country, and all that. But Hindus these days were even worse because now, they have all become English, you see. With English education all of them have become English, Westernized. They don’t think we have anything in our country. So, these – that time – the great rajas who are so indifferent to religion, to get sustaining power, to understand what is in their scriptures, licentious and permissive like your Roman kings, horribly licentious. Once [unsure] they used to put their mind into some sort of an arrangement for all the licentious people around. So, they thought of a very genius method, you see: build the temple of God and make all kinds of erotic pictures in the temple. Can you believe that thing? In the name of art! If art is pure as people, why do you need this vulgarity? Horrible erotic things were created through big competitions.Now you are having competitions in this country but that time – of course, now you are also becoming Tantrikas as far as erotic things are concerned – one better than the other! And they were given special prices, even "jagirs", as they call the lands, were given to those people – it’s written in the history – for creating those pictures [unsure]. Despite that, you see, despite all that provocation and despite all that temptation, you’ll be amazed, in Konark, since years, that art is defunct. There has been another thing, a simple thing is [sentence unsure], "Not. We’re not going to use it. On a temple we are ‘not’ doing it". So, these clever intelligent people, you see, they told them that, "If you do this, it will be good because all the dirt that is here should be placed there", you see. "And inside it should be clean. Outside we must confess to God that we are like this. This is a confession". See the brain, "This is a confession you must make for all the dirty things you are doing, you put them outside". This was the, this was the historical side behind. And that time these Tantrikas were, you see, anxious to fall [unsure] they came out. You have only one Soho [a district in London for the “sex industry”]. We had Sohos and Sohos and Sohos in that great country. You won’t believe when you see those things, you know. Foreigners are surprised that in India such erotic things are there. Wherever there is a religion, wherever there is a saint, these satanic forces have to reach there to destroy all that is pure. That is their style, their happiness which is the crucifixion of the purity. And such temples were created and those Tantrikas then came forward. They brought about all their women [unsure]. Say, from Konark, if you go, there is the Chausath Yogini Mandir, they call it “the sixty-four goddesses”. Imagine Goddesses’ temple! Now what do they do? Now what is the principle behind all that, you must know. It is a very secretive principle that they use. They establish the picture of a Goddess or create a statue of a Goddess in a temple. And before the Goddess, they do [inaudible], means sex act of different varieties of different types. Horrible! [Unsure] In the beginning, Shri Ganesha gets angry. They get all kinds of blisters all around. They say that Kundalini is angry. Kundalini? Why will she be angry?It is Shri Ganesha who is angry, but in such a temper! From the right and the left and they get all blisters. They start dancing, jumping, they behave like frogs, they have horrid things. They get blasted in the head, they get headaches, everything they get. But still they are adamant because it is said that, "You have to go further. It’s a terrible task, it’s a difficult task. These are your Karmas that are coming to torture you. You have to take out your Karmas. Through your sex you do better Karmas or bad Karmas ". So, they go on, poor people. Then, by that, doing all that, what happens? These Deities slip off. They go away from there. The area is vacated. The realm of God from there disappears. As light disappears, the darkness comes. They work in the night. They’ll never work in the daytime. In the night they work and then they call the spirits there. You can call the spirits. Last time I told you what happens to you when you die and how the spirits are there, what are the horrible spirits that are hanging around us to enter into you. So, I will not go into the details of that but later on I’ll tell you all about it. I’ll tell you each and everything. You note it down.So, they come, they call the spirits. When they call these spirits, spirits have the lust in them, greed, they’re greedy to satisfy you. And they manoeuvre them. They can give them the name of say ‘Rama’, then ‘Aim’, ‘Hrim’, ‘Klim’, all sorts of names they can give to these spirits. These evil geniuses manage them. And then, they put these spirits onto kings, onto his big ministers. And these people are captured and possessed. And they say, “We are very erotic. We are running after – we used to run after only two women, now we are running after hundred women.” Mad!They lose all their sense of self-respect. They have no understanding of what they are doing. Like mad they do. Even some saints can be affected but they get reactions physically. Saints if they indulge into it, immediately, they get reactions. They get reactions in the head, in the body. And the reactions could be very strong on them. Sometimes they vomit blood.So ‘these’ people start putting those horrible spirits on you, capturing you, taking out your will.In India, there was a Tantrika like that, who amassed lot of money. But his wife [inaudible] throughout. And he built that horrible temple of that Konark.If he had not put any erotic’s there it would have been a beautiful temple but with that erotic you feel like vomiting all the time when you see, I mean, if you are a sensitive person. You just can’t bear to see those private parts, the way it is described.Tomorrow they will ask us to watch these people sitting down there for the morning ablutions! Filth and filth and filth! The whole place is nothing but filth. And then his own son defied him, this horrible Tantrika. This Tantrika was killed in a very funny manner, which is worth reading how he was killed. And the son came down and he completed that temple but he told the King that, "Your kingdom will disappear". All these, all these kings disappeared once for all. They had no children, they had nothing and they became just shambles. And all of their temples were covered with stones, earth and they were just mounts. Later on, the English came there and some of them excavated and found out. They found it artistic, I don’t know how they found it but it was there.But in Konark you will find the whole thing is so vulgar, so horrid, where the artists – poor things – had nothing to say. And I met the artists of that place who are living around. They said, "We are paying through our noses all these days for what our forefathers have done and we don’t want to see that".Even today in India, an unmarried man and an unmarried woman will never go to see a Konark. Now the only explanation they have is this, you’ll be amazed, that after marriage Indian women are so innocent, as they’re married quite young, they don’t understand what is sex. So, teach them how, what is sex, it is made for the marriage. And only the husband and wife should go there. This is the only explanation our Indian artists could find out to give for that. But we have to accept. You see, in every country there could be a satanic force working. Why should we identify ourselves with those horrible Tantrikas? And why should we be ashamed of that?In Khajuraho, the other tantric place, you will find there are some places where you find erotica. But if you are alert and if you watch, these are placed in corners somewhere, while the gods and goddesses have big form, back, very great attachment, everything. So, it never comes to your notice. Unless and until you are taken to it and shown, "Now, this is an erotica". But surprisingly, most of the foreigners, and especially Japanese bringing their camera from this angle, from this angle. Why don’t they take their own photographs like that? What is there to go all the way to Konark to take those photographs? Shows your search! Shows what you are asking for! The way, from here, people take all the way those big, big cameras and go round and take photographs like various angles they look. What is there to take photographs? In that, what is there to gain? Sex, animals know, everybody knows, dog knows. What is there to teach about sex? You have done so much of mentally that now there will be impotency. And in there, you know that, in America, the highest number impotent are there because of this kind of perversion and ruining your innocence within yourself.Beware of it! This so-called freedom is nothing but abandonment of your sustenance of your Dharma that is within you. It’s built-in! It is there. It exists. You cannot cross it, "Thou shall not have adultery", Christ has said, "Not only adultery, but I will say, ‘Thou shall not have adulterous eyes’." And you see people [inaudible], all the time doing. And they say, "We have ruined attention." What will happen? Where are you looking? Where are you seeing? Where is your attention? This human attention built up ages. So much has been worked out. You have been brought from that level to this level today. Where are you wasting it? Into gutters, into filth, into dirt.Rise! And see your glory. Have your self-respect. As a Mother, I would [inaudible] to God. And these horrible Tantrikas and Mantrikas who are teaching you all kinds of things like putting a mandala – the other day somebody told Me – and putting your sex there. What is a mandala? Do you know? It’s the aura of God. You are showing your sex to God! Have some brains at least if nothing else! It’s the greatest shameful thing you are doing this to show your sex parts to God. Are you all lunatics? Can’t you understand? It’s a terrible thing!I get upset with those because you don’t know. You will lose all your chances of Realization. Your seeking is going to be lost completely, believe Me. Stand in your own glory. Why should you run after women? Why should you run after men? If you are a glorious person, stand in your own image. That’s the best way you are going to be a human being. This kind of licentiousness and permissiveness is going to completely finish that chakra in the Nabhi. If you see that one has got ten petals which are built so carefully, delicately, beautifully, with love. Do not confuse love with licentious behaviour. It is not! It’s sanctified love. I don’t say you become sanyasin, not at all, I’m against that also, another extreme that I’m going to tell you about Sexo-yogis, the third type. The Sexo-yogis type are the people who are suppressing their sex. They use do not marry. [Tape interruption] They use – they use the skull of human beings. They need skulls for that. To be in the subconscious, you have to have a skull. So, they kill people, take out their skulls and keep it with them.Shri Mataji, aside: Some people are coming, please open door.So, the – they keep those skulls with them and those skulls, they use it for drinking water, for eating food, all the time these skulls are there.Now there is a very good story, written by a great writer in India, Bankim Chandra [Chattopadhyay], known as "Kapalkundala" [romance novel’s name]. This girl, there was a girl whom Kapalis had met. He used to make her nude, he used to make her dance, he used to make her go in the see and used to control his sex sitting before her. And there are [inaudible], and during the sexual act, he would control himself. He went on like that and ultimately, he was to kill that girl. That is the height of complete abstinence because you’ll kill the person whom you were supposed to have. Just imagine, what perversion! What brain! What habits! I mean there’s a limit to this. God has not given you freedom to break your heads and to say that, "Oh, bull come and hit me!" And this girl was preserved. And then, someway or other, she ran away and she got married to a man. He visited her, brought her back and killed her.These are the Kapalis. If you don’t listen to them, they will take you to the "smashana" that is the burial grounds, cut your head, take out your skull and keep it. They will see to it that you go to the subconscious strata and they handle you better there. They would like you to die through their schematic. They do it. So many of them are doing like that. Even today, you have no idea. And people are so much enamoured, so much under the obsession of these things are, that even if you tell them that your gurus are doing like this and they have found out, still they will be there to kill you. Absolutely rabid people. They are possessed, brain-washed completely. At least some people should be saved, to save them, I’ve always say, that if a sari keeps flying out, even if you could hold a little bit of it, we can save the sari.The sanity did not come to you to understand that these horrible methods are not going to give you Self-realization. You must know what is Self-realization is. Now some people think that flying in the air, jumping somewhere is something great. Which incarnation did? Did you hear any incarnation who walked - who sat like this and was floating in the air? Which incarnation did that? And what are you going to do with floating in the air? Now, you are going to create a problem on the traffic.[Laughter]These nonsensical things why should you do?There is in Puna [in Shivapur], they say there is one saint who died, you see, and there is a stone. If there ten people take the name of the saint, it can come up, you see. And you can put a finger, it can come up. I said, "Is that what God should do?" Think of it! And when I went there, I found out that there was a big spirit sitting there and he said, "I “m going to sit down with Mother. I’m not going to go out". And the spirit of that horrible fellow is all the time sitting there. He doesn’t want anything. He just wants to befool people and sit down there and listen everybody’s taking his name, calling him a saint! When he is not a saint, why should he accept that he is a saint and be happy with it? Because human beings can do anything. They are given that power.And moreover, God is powerless before you because He cannot take away your freedom to be idiots or to be foolish or to be self-destroying. He cannot do it. He can only weep and cry, beg or say, "Please don’t do it, please don’t do it”, but He cannot stop it. That’s the only problem. And that’s why all of them have taken [inaudible]. They have all come from somewhere like spiders. At least I know sixteen of them. And three horrible women. They’re all there making money, making money, befooling you. Why do you need a guru for telling you a mantra? Any Dick, Tom, Harry can tell you. You must see the result, the proof, what’s happening out of it. You must think. You are intelligent people. You understand everything, why don’t you understand this, "I’m possessed". Are you under the complete obsession of such people? Or perhaps you have paid them so much money that you think, "Oh! Now we have paid so much, now what to do?" We should see through the whole thing. Like in the drama, you go and you don’t like the drama, "Still, as we have paid the money, let’s have it".It’s not that casual thing, it’s a very serious thing. You are going into the den of devils, [inaudible] finishing your Kundalini completely. Now there are twenty-five people among you who would say that it has happened to them. I’ve been correcting them. I’m doing it. They are getting it back. I only feel sorry for one thing, that you have been genuine about your seeking. You have been genuinely seeking. I can assure you that I went to America in 1970 to warn all these people. But that time they were, all of them had become something special type of possessed people. They would not listen to Me. I told Ravi Shankar. He said, "Mother you just don’t go near them. They will eat you out". That’s how to have experiences of Tantrism [inaudible] drugs. In India, how many people have seen the drugs – ask them, anyone of them? Ha! Do they even know what is the difference between "bhang" and this and that? These drugs and all these things were used by Tantrikas. And they are out here, they have been dealing drug.Things that go against your awareness whether drugs, alcohol, anything is not going to give you that higher awareness about which I’m saying. Don’t waste your life. It’s very precious. The most precious and the greatest time has come. Please respect yourself. And please understand your own value. What you are yearning for, find it out! And do not waste it. You have already wasted lot of your time. These, all these, I told you the seven strata on the left and right have names, which I think that time, I have no time to tell you, but there are names and names and names for everything. Hakini, Rakini, Lakini, Shakini, like that on the left-hand side they have got. This side [right] is Gayatri and Savitri and all that sorts of things. It goes on both the sides. All these are nothing but like resonances. They throw you from one to another strata. You are sort of tested in every strata. And when they found you are a gone case you go directly into hell. These are the achievements. So, I have to make a very simple statement that, "Keep yourself [inaudible], respect yourself. Try". If it works with you, well and good. I’m here to work out the raising of the Kundalini, the bringing it out of it. You yourself will be able to do after some time. But cleansing is needed and it should never be given up because there is no way out. Nanaka, Guru Nanak, he has written at least three-four chapters against these Tantrikas and Mantrikas and these Pishachikas and these [inaudible]. In India it’s an abuse to say – I mean I have first time used these words for that on my tongue. It’s an abuse to call somebody like that. If you say that to someone, then the people say, "Oh God!". They are kept outside like lepers. Kabira has written books after books, these treacheries and this and that, he lashed them left and right! He was a great poet. Everybody fought with him, tortured him. Christ had the same. He is the one who said not to go towards spirits at all! This is all spirit’s job. But you go in London every fifth house is a spiritualist sitting there, "Free hypnotics!" Why do you want to get hypnotized? Why do you want to get E.S.P, what they call, Extra Sensory Perception? All these so-called geniuses also, these prodigies are also possessed. I’ve seen many prodigies. One of them came to Me. I told, "All right, in My presence you calculate". She could not calculate even in once because I put a bandhan to her [inaudible] possession. I said, "You get out!"I’ve had many such experiences which I can tell you. Last time I’ve told you how people who are possessed came to Me and how they did. Now there is still time and we can go into a Self-realization experience. It will – it might take to some people only five minutes but to some, more. In any case you must have patience with yourself. And don’t be angry. Because when Gavin said that, "ego", [inaudible]. Because if it is not ego then the Superego comes, "We are the worst people. We are the horrible people. We-" you see, from one extreme to another. We have to stand in between. We have no way. You are not an aggressor neither you are taking aggression from anyone. You stand within your Self and through that, you emit your own powers. You don’t have to depend on anyone, nothing! We just watch. But you have to depend on the deities that are within you, which are going to see there has been a problem, they are to be corrected and we have to know where are the deities, where are they. In the Sahaja Yoga, modern Sahaja Yoga I may call it, there is no mantra given no mantra. Because every second the Kundalini is going like that. Now there are people who’ll say, "This I can tell you, this I can tell you". It is here they saw that. You must have seen she came to Me, she said, "Mother I’ve caught my Agnya". All right, finished. Agnya got cleansed [unsure]. So, nobody is given a mantra but you know where is the catch. You yourself say. She herself came and told Me, "I’ve got it a catch on Agnya". And you know mostly, extreme Agnya catching means what, you know? Paranoia. But she doesn’t mind telling Me because she sees herself away from herself and she told Me, "I’ve got an Agnya clearly". All of them say, "The Agnya is there. I can see those coming inside me". He told Me that, "I can see these entities now coming into me. And I throw them away and they have a nice, a nice program". If you all talk to them, they will tell you their experiences. Some of them went into trance; I had to take them out. So many things happen now. People, just like you came to Me, have gained. And you’ll also gain but be sensible about it, be wise. Be wise. You have to expect gains and nothing else, nothing you can call [unsure].So, may God bless you. We can go into a little meditation just by putting your hands towards Me. And if you could take out your shoes it will be better, it works better because the Mother Earth’s there and she helps no doubt. All the elements help you. They’re all around. You see, it was very cold in the street. At this time, it’s not so much. All the elements are there to help you. It was extremely cold and now it’s so nice. You can take out your coats and you’ll feel all right. There is this, your coats you hold out and you can feel comfortable, then you’ll feel very nice.[Cut in the tape]

Tantrism, public program, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 21 November 1977. My dear seekers,I’m thankful to Gavin Brown that he has been able to sum up some of the things I’ve said before and I don’t have to go into all the details of what I told you last time. Some of you have come for the first time here. [Tape interrupted].As he said, Tantra means the technique, it’s a technique. And Yantra, in Sanskrit language, means the mechanism. So, the technique of the mechanism.Now what is this mechanism we are talking about? Is there any mechanism outside or inside of us? Or is it worked through some subtle method? All these questions should come to our mind if you are seeking and if you are seeker. But I think that in the West people though are very much developed materially, they have sorted out many material questions and problems, they are very well equipped, but as far as the spiritual life is concerned, still, they are very naive. Though they had such a great personality like Christ to follow, and what a model it was! But maybe because of an organized religion perhaps, it was not possible for people who were seeking truly to penetrate into it through meditative methods.So, this Tantra or the technique which works out our Self-realization is to be known, to be understood fully. And the Yantra that works out, you have already got. I’m thankful to Patrick who has made a beautiful sketch of that Yantra which is within you. It’s the instrument which is within you. But when we think of an instrument with our human mind, we cannot think of an instrument which is a living instrument. It is beyond our conception to understand a living machine. This one is a living instrument within you.When we see a tree sprouting out of a small little seed, working out its blossoming one has to know that there must be some technique or some mechanism that works out this beautiful tree to grow. And when we evolved from amoeba to this stage, we have to see there must be some mechanism which thinks, understands, organizes, loves, which has brought about this human stage from that amoeba stage.In ancient India, long time, people had lots of time. They went into themselves, into their being, through meditative understanding. They had a glimpse of this mechanism and they talked about it and wrote about it and that’s how this Yantra, the mechanism, and the Tantra, the manoeuvring of it, the technique of it, came into being. But it was a secret science. It was a very secret science and it was kept hidden from the general public. It was used by very few great masters who lived in the jungles, had one or two disciples, worked on them for years together and taught them about the technique of the Divine. They had to leave everything, their family, everyone, live with the Guru, lead a completely celibate life and bring about a complete transformation under the guidance of their loving Gurus. This was in ancient times.And what did they achieved and what did they have? It’s all written in our scriptures. What do you expect out of Self-realization is written in the Bible, in the Koran, in the Torah and also in all the Indian philosophy.Only because we [inaudible] that in some of these scriptures, it is written in a very secretive manner, under some words that, "I will appear before you as tongues of flames." Now nobody’d know what ‘tongues of flames’ is. There are so many sentences which you can find out now when you go and read which nobody can explain unless and until they have had an experience of Kundalini.This is the Yantra, the mechanism, is the Kundalini, is a living force within you. It exists, it is there, it’s placed for your Realization, for your jumping into another awareness which is promised to you through various scriptures, through various incarnations. It is within you. Nobody told you lies. There is nothing but truth written in these books. But it was to be guarded. It was to be made into secret because people would have used it for their purposes. And they have despite all efforts. First, I would like to speak about Self-realization because that is blissful and then I’ll tell you about the so-called tantrism. I have to talk about it though I have told about these things in the previous lecture because there are many that have been cheated. I have now shown here all these centers and all the mechanism that is within us. They have also given you a picture of that, I have told you which are the deities sitting on all these different Chakras, as we call the centers, which have incarnated on this earth, have built up our being one by one gradually in different evolutionary processes and how we have become human beings, this I have told you last time. This is the Yantra and the mechanism that is this Yantra, Kundalini, is a holy mechanism. And this mechanism is specially created within the being of the God’s Man, of the God’s Being, the Macrocosm and we are the cells – all of us – in that. We were made aware as fishes of the soil, we became reptiles. We were made aware of the food available at the heights, we raised our head. Gradually we became human beings. After this state we started thinking of God. We started thinking on something beyond. Man is the only animal who thinks of God and of searching it. Is the man aware that he has to become something? Why is he so confused? Why is he under so tension? What did he search?He is searching something of which he has a glimpse – a glimpse of that joy he gets it and that joy comes from his Self – Atma – in his heart. He has not felt it, he has not been able to manifest the power of his Self. But there is a mechanism placed within him, properly built up inside, all the time present in all the human beings just like this as it is placed in the God’s Being. In His image, it is also placed within you. As I said last time that you are all built to be just like computers. Now the job is to put you to the mains. That’s why you are seeking. That’s the only urge you have in life. All other urges are actually the side issues. You think you are searching in money, in position is a myth. Those who have money are dissatisfied, those who have positions are dissatisfied, everybody is dissatisfied. The satisfaction can only come to you when you will reach the real thing which you are searching. And the real thing is your Self and nothing else. All other things are useless because you are not searching anything else, you are only searching your Self and that Self is the reflection of God Almighty. That is within your heart.Now the mechanism that is placed within you is this beautiful thing inside which is placed inside your spinal cord and not outside. Except for the last chakra [Mooladhara] which is in the red colour that is outside, in the prostate. And this is a very, very important chakra which controls the cervical plexus within us, I’m sorry, the pelvic plexus within us. It is very important because it is very sensitive and also it is very delicate because it is placed outside the spinal cord.This mechanism that is placed outside the spinal cord, down below there, is the most important chakra and was created first. When the creation started this was the first thing that was created. And what does it emit? Holiness, innocence. It emits innocence. And the deity sitting on this, is the embodiment of innocence. This deity was created in another dimension and he is, you have seen there, is Shri Ganesha. This is the image of Shri Ganesha that was created at that stage. And what does it represent? It’s the stage between the animal and the man and the head is that of the animal showing that an animal does not have any ego, that the man is different from an animal, that the animal is innocent, he doesn’t know what is sin, that’s why he is innocent. Because you know what is sin that’s why ‘you’ are innocent but you can become define, [unsure] contaminated. He is innocence personified. He said it. And He incarnates too on this earth. He incarnated as Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus Christ. He took His form as Lord Jesus-Christ and because He is innocent, He’s made of that essence of divine nature of God that we call as Paramatma [unsure], the highest essence of God. And that’s why His body is also made out of that and that is the reason He could resurrect it. By reading Bible, which was written by disciples of Christ, how far can you go to understand Him? Because He was created beyond your thoughts, beyond your mind, in an unlimited Unconscious. And how can you, with your limited mind, understand Him or copy Him? It is said that, "Even Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh cannot reach Him. He is so pure". He is purity. He is innocence and He exists at that point and it is He at every point, every chakra He bestows upon you the blessings of innocence. Innocence was the first thing created on this Earth.Before creating anything else it was innocence all everywhere. And He bestows that innocence by which you get your Self-realization. On the left-hand side of this mechanism there are seven strata. On the right-hand side there are seven strata, down below there are seven strata and on top there are seven strata. What are these strata and what do they reach in you?The left-hand side chakras, the left-hand side channel which is called as Ida channel represents the subconscious, the subconscious mind within you. You listen to Me through your conscious mind and put it back into the subconscious mind. All your experiences go into the subconscious. That is the limit of your subconscious of present here. Beyond that goes, is your subconscious of previous lives and beyond that goes, is the collective subconscious. When you listen to Me you have got a conscious mind which receives it at this moment and there is a pre-conscious mind which takes it to the subconscious. This pre-conscious mind is on the right-hand side. This also has got seven strata on this side. Just now the pre-conscious mind is the future that you are thinking about. Beyond that is the supra-conscious mind, means all the ideas about future you have had before, many lives before. Those ideas are there. And beyond that is the collective supra-conscious mind.So, on the left-hand side you have sub-conscious and the collective sub-conscious; on the right-hand side: supra-conscious and the collective supra-conscious mind.Down below are the seven strata of Hell. H.E.L.L. Sometimes the words are so small that it doesn’t register in your mind. If I say ‘Supra-conscious’, then people say, “Ah! Mataji has said ‘supra-conscious’.” But ‘Hell’, and Hell is a truth. It exists within us! It is there. And there are seven strata of that also. Conscious mind also has got seven strata which are built in within us through our different evolutionary processes. And these are the seven strata which are placed here of the conscious mind and then you go on top of the head into Super-conscious mind, which is the subtle mind, is the eternal mind, the Unconscious in which you have to move in seven strata. You say, "Mataji it’s too much!" But it’s not. You are already built-in for that.For example, if I tell this light, "You have to get enlightened and cover the whole hall", it will say, "Oh! It’s too much." No, it is built like that. You have to just press the button. It opens and works because it is built that way, has been organized that way, is placed that way, that it works. When we face things that we think difficult, we think we have to do it and that’s why you are worried, you don’t have to worry: it’s already done! And it will be done also by the One who is organizing it. Only thing what you have to do, is to witness. The One who has created this universe, where you there? The One who has created all the greenery then human being where you there? He is the One who is going to do this for you and the time has come, as Gavin has said it beautifully, that the blossom time has come and it will work out with you.But it surprises Me, you know, human beings sometimes I cannot understand. When I told them that, "It is going to work out" they said, "How can it be? It has to be difficult". Before even starting about it, must you sit down with this idea on your head, "Oh! It’s going to be very difficult". I say, "It is the easiest and the simplest thing. Being so important it cannot be difficult". Anything important like your breathing, if it becomes difficult and if you have to read about breathing, "How am I to breathe?" Now you go into books and see, "Now, you have to do like this". By the time you take the book, you are out. If you have to read about your Self-realization then God saves the Self-realization and God saves you. It’s your right that you are going to get your Self-realization. I’m not pampering your ego. But that’s how you have been made. Even your ego, which you are condemning every morning and evening, was an essential part of the seeking. Only you the human beings have evolved the ego to know something on their own. So, this mechanism was made specially in such a manner that through your ego and your superego you have become an ‘I’ personality. Like people say, "This is Mister Kumar. This is X, this is Y". You become a separate identity from that big, vast personality of which you are just as that. And the consciousness of that comes to you, that you are a separate identity and you have to see the oneness with that. And that is what is Self-realization. Nothing else!That you become that. Not what you do, but it’s the becoming of that. Like you say, a seed becomes a flower. It becomes a flower. You don’t – the seed doesn’t go and read a book, "Oh! I know what it is". Or it doesn’t listen to any lecture of Mataji or anything, it just becomes a flower. In the same way, you have to become that. And not to just to be brain-washed or to be done something else which I will tell you later, how per misuse you can do, in the name of Self-realization. [Shri Mataji laughs.] So many of them are aware of it. So, they know that.Now what happens you can know it, what is the mechanism, how it works out, let us see the positive side of it. And then I will tell you the negative side. There is a Kundalini placed in that triangular bone there, you can see it pulsate. We have a doctor here he will say that, "Yes, he has seen it". You can see the pulsation of the Kundalini very clearly. You can see the rising of the Kundalini very clearly with your naked eyes. You can also feel it coming up. It comes. How it comes? How it works out? It’s another detailed program which I may be able to tell you later on or I have already told quite a lot about it.This comes up – the Kundalini – and pierces your fontanel bone, pierces! What is this Kundalini? It is a residual force within you. Is awareness which understands, thinks, loves and organizes, it’s an energy. Now we cannot think, human beings cannot think of an energy that can think, love, organize. We cannot. This is the energy that comes up, you can see the pulsation. You can see the bringing of it with your naked eye, that’s wat you can believe. It comes up and pierces your fontanel bone and you can feel the baptism that you become like a child because your fontanel bone becomes very soft. I mean, but that doesn’t mean that if you have a soft bone here, that doesn’t mean that you are a Self-realized person. No. When you enter not on left side or right-hand side but when you enter onto the top, onto the first strata of the Super-consciousness, then what happens? First thing that should happen to you, is that you become one with the Collective Being. "You become", again I say. It is not lecturing, "We are all brothers and sisters. There should be no racism". All this is lecturing. I’m not saying lecturing. It becomes. How?When this thing enters through this into that subtle form, you start feeling from your hands a cool breeze flowing. This is described in our scriptures. If you read even Christ has said, "Something passed out of My body when somebody touched Me". [Luke 8.46] But in our scriptures, it’s given very, very clearly. Here, in some of them, for example, I would say Shankara. Shankaracharya described that as Saundarya Lahari. He called it as Saundarya Lahari’s force somewhere else. He called them vibrations. Everybody, people are talking of vibrations but they don’t know what they’re talking.These vibrations that flow from your hand are cool vibrations and also, they understand, they think and heal other people. When you put your hand towards another person, you start suddenly getting a burning here. Left-hand side burning on this finger is the Vishuddhi chakra, is this one. Now, if you know the deity who is there, and if you take the name of that particular deity who is sitting here, if you know and if you are a Realized soul, then only. If you are not Realized you have no authority. You have no authority to take to any mantra unless and until you are a Realized soul. Supposing I give you some mantra. You must know it is a misleading, because whatever is said, whatever is the center in danger or in trouble, you must get that one. The one who is not a Realized soul cannot make out what is the problem, where is the problem. And the one who is not Realized, if he is given the mantra, his mantra has no authority. Like, if I want to go and see the Queen, I must take a permission. I must have some connection with her. I should be able to go and meet her. But if I go and meet her straight and say, "Oh! Queen, come along". The way we call God sometimes is most surprising. You wouldn’t even call any servant like that the way we call Him, "God, come along! Do this. This is my problem. What are you doing for me?""I have faith in God" as if we have, sort of, we are getting obligations. As if He is obliged to us, "Oh! I have faith in God, Mother, then why did he miss it? " Who has faith? I mean, He exists. He’s an eternal being. If you have faith in that, you are ready for fight, not ‘He’. You cannot add to His Dom [unsure].Any mantra is given to you just by any Dick, Tom and Harry. Anyone coming, "I’ll give you a mantra". I mean to tell you about them later on. All those mantras that are said are for the deities, were done by these Gurus as I told you in ancient times for very few people. They used to raise the Kundalini very gradually. They used to take it from their seat which is the Mooladhara – not the Mooladhara chakra – from that triangular bone and they used to raise it one by one.For seven years, it used to hang into one center then they would give one mantra, "All right, now, go on with it! Work it out! Cleanse it! Do it! " Then again, another chakra. Then again, another chakra. All right. It has been done like that: very slow process. As in India, you see, they said that when they had to go to Kashi or Benares, they used to sell out their houses, everything. And they knew that they may never return. Or even if they go, they might take so many years to reach Benares that by that time they will be absolutely old people and they would not have energy to return. Now, if you have to go to Benares, only thing what you can do is to go from here to Delhi and take a plane and go directly.So that time is over and Kundalini now can be worked out just like that, because the time has come for you to get it. There were never so many seekers in the world before I can tell you this. Only people who existed in the name of religion were Orthodox, Arabic, horrible people who crucified Christ, who killed Muhammad Sahib, who tortured Dnyaneshwara, who tortured Kabira, who tortured of all the things, Shankaracharya. Buddha, Mahavira, you read anyone of them. All these horrid people in the name of religion tortured. And today now, we have got these satanic people coming out of that Hell. They have suffered there, you see, they were punished and after their punishment they are coming out with a double force with a new subtler method of befooling you people. In Self-realization you get bliss, complete bliss, tranquillity, the Collective Consciousness and you can manoeuvre this power yourself. It is ‘your’ power that is manifested and nobody else’s but you. As you have been to all these satanic people – most of you have been. Last time I saw that and when I told them, you see, they tried. As I’m working very hard, you know, I’m working very hard. But some of them have really spoiled their path of Sushumna, the central path. So badly they have spoiled it, that unless and until they give up all that, it’s not going to work out.If you are truly seeking, I’m there to work for you. You don’t have to pay any money for it. No, never think of that because this is divine and divine cannot be sold in the market. First thing that should come into your head as Christians specially that Christ has taken a hunter in his hand and started beating those people. That’s the only time He really lost his temper on them when they were selling the religion. And today all of them are selling it and you very, very humbly go and bow.All kinds of these beggars and parasites have come in this country and all over the Western countries. They are nothing but beggars take it from me. Worse than beggars they are the worst culprits.So, this is what Self-realization is and in Self-realization you get all the blessings of God, gradually you go into thoughtless awareness and then into doubtless awareness which we call Nirvikalpa and then into Self-realization completely. In that we have some people in India – they have met them – who are completely Self-realized and who, sitting down there, can work out the Kundalini of other people. They are living in the family. They have got their children. They have got their grand-children. And they are working it out. You don’t have to run away from that, no extremes are needed, nothing. It is ‘within you’ and ‘within you’ it is going to work out. These outside things and these extreme things are not needed. Just be normal people. God has created this world for you to enjoy! It is for your enjoyment. It is his blessings that you have to feel through Self-realization. When the light of the Self flows in, you see the joy pouring. You see it pouring from your head downwards and you are just drenched. All your tensions go. All your problems go away.The ego and superego which he has shown here, as the black and the yellow, both of them open up and you see they’re going down. It happens. There is an imbalance, there is a – some sort of a – hurt in you. Sometimes I can say there could a very great wound into you, could be there are some spies sitting in you, could be that you are possessed without knowing that you are possessed. You don’t know how these people have manoeuvred and I hope I will be able to tell you now how they have manoeuvred and what sort of horrid people they are. I think I should take off my shoes perhaps. Works out better. So, about these horrid people now. In India, since long, if you say the origin of so-called tantrism which is just the opposition of real tantra which is Sahaja Yoga, of the genuine tantra. If tantrism is to be considered as a genuine stuff, then it is Sahaja Yoga.But this tantrism, this so-called – came into being in our country since long. Ancient times when these Gurus were having those few disciples with them, three, four disciples were taken with great difficulty. But they were, after all, human beings. They used to be competition with them. And Guru would accept only one out of them or two out of them, would take them a little ahead and would then leave them out saying that, "No. We cannot treat you anymore. You cannot be helped. You’d better go away". Such a useless, half-baked person would come down to the public and would start a method by which he would put up a show against these fools. This is the beginning, I would say. So, he would now sit down and meditate.Still, you know, as a Mother, I don’t want to condemn all of them. I will give them a benefit of doubt and the benefit of doubt is this: that when they were concentrating, they tried to leak into their Mooladhara chakra, which you cannot enter in, which is below the Kundalini. This Mooladhara chakra controls the sex. Why? Because it is innocent. It’s a child and the child doesn’t understand sex that’s why it is not contaminated by it. It is like a lotus coming out of the mud of sex. In that lotus sits Shri Ganesha. These people tried to peep into that thinking that through sex, they might be able to see him. And they might have seen - this is my own way of putting it – not him completely but his trunk as you see it. And they might have confused it – still I say – that trunk to be the Kundalini.When I tried to understand human beings, I thought this may have been. Because how could man be just entering into hell directly with all understanding? It’s too much to Me. So, by mistake maybe, that they saw this. All right? So, first the Tantrikas came in. Tantrikas were the first. Then we have Tantrikas – basically I’m telling you- these evil geniuses are. In the fact, you see, you cannot divide them into all details, but you can give a basic broad outline about them. The Tantrikas. Tantrikas are the people who use sex for so-called Self-realization. Mantrikas are the people who use mantras for so-called Self-realization.Then there are Chandadikas [unsure] who use evil geniuses to be introduced as evil spirits into human beings – called as Chandadikas. Then Pishachikas are the people who used supraconscious devils into human beings. They are over dynamic, over ambitious sort of people. We have got Abhogis [unsure] who taught them to put, say, they can put a, put a dagger into their hands, you see, Abhogis. Then we have got [Begeals?] [Begeals?] are the people who can do horrible, horrible gestures, you see, they can pull their stomach in, push it here, push it there, all sorts of things they do. And we have also Sexo-yogis. Minimum. I have categorized them as that. But I don’t know how many styles of things there are. Because when it comes to evil they come and prosper like this. Viruses they are. And they know how to hit you off. They themselves are destroying, they cannot see you constructing. They cannot see you evolve. That is one of the basic reasons where they are out as all these. So, these Tantrikas first started their job. In the Rama’s time, say about twelve thousand years back, there was a Yajna, a kind of ceremony known as Ashvamedha. It’s written in the books about that. Even that, the books, the scriptures they ruined by saying that Ashvamedha, there was nothing else but a sex act. The Shakti and Shiva, which is God who is innocent and his Power is the Shakti, like light and the lamp or the sun and the sunlight. There also, they introduced the symbol of sex. This happened in the sixth century. It was at its heights, tantrism in our country, a complete belt was taken. Say, it started from Konark, it goes to Khajuraho. So much so they were influenced people, that all other scriptures were thrown into the rivers and tantrism became the scripture of Hinduism [unsure].Thank God, by organized religion at least, you would not allow people to tempt too much with that, thought it was, but not so much. It would help. There is so much freedom, that licentiousness to do whatever you please with that scripture, to - can you imagine? From the scriptures, they started spoiling in the sixth century. Now what was the historical background for that? That was the best time, best breeding time of these horrible people. Because at that time, as you too had very extreme type of orthodox people- Jainism, now we have a sect of people called as Jainism. Now, horrid. I mean, all of them are, but one of them, horrid things I can tell you – that they believe in vegetarianism to such an extent! It’s a horrid thing to tell you because I’ve already told Gavin. And for the first time, I’ll be shameless to tell these people, that they do not want to destroy even the insects that are in the filth. To them an insect [cut in the audio]So that lots of bugs can bite him and take out his blood and they pay him lot of money. Is a fact, even today they do sometimes in the villages. They think it’s the greatest punya, is the greatest –Shri Mataji [aside]: What you say that punya it means?Sahaja Yogi: Hu?Shri Mataji: It’s a good deed, you see, a religious deed, is to make a man get inside a hut and bugs must come and they take the blood. So, these Jains – so-called vegetarians, horrid – they were the ministers you know. Some way or other they became ministers. So.And the Maharajas – you know the word ‘raja’, that’s the king – were the Hindus. And Hindus, as usual, are very indifferent to religion. Whatever one may say about India, I agree it is a very great country, and all that. But Hindus these days were even worse because now, they have all become English, you see. With English education all of them have become English, Westernized. They don’t think we have anything in our country. So, these – that time – the great rajas who are so indifferent to religion, to get sustaining power, to understand what is in their scriptures, licentious and permissive like your Roman kings, horribly licentious. Once [unsure] they used to put their mind into some sort of an arrangement for all the licentious people around. So, they thought of a very genius method, you see: build the temple of God and make all kinds of erotic pictures in the temple. Can you believe that thing? In the name of art! If art is pure as people, why do you need this vulgarity? Horrible erotic things were created through big competitions.Now you are having competitions in this country but that time – of course, now you are also becoming Tantrikas as far as erotic things are concerned – one better than the other! And they were given special prices, even "jagirs", as they call the lands, were given to those people – it’s written in the history – for creating those pictures [unsure]. Despite that, you see, despite all that provocation and despite all that temptation, you’ll be amazed, in Konark, since years, that art is defunct. There has been another thing, a simple thing is [sentence unsure], "Not. We’re not going to use it. On a temple we are ‘not’ doing it". So, these clever intelligent people, you see, they told them that, "If you do this, it will be good because all the dirt that is here should be placed there", you see. "And inside it should be clean. Outside we must confess to God that we are like this. This is a confession". See the brain, "This is a confession you must make for all the dirty things you are doing, you put them outside". This was the, this was the historical side behind. And that time these Tantrikas were, you see, anxious to fall [unsure] they came out. You have only one Soho [a district in London for the “sex industry”]. We had Sohos and Sohos and Sohos in that great country. You won’t believe when you see those things, you know. Foreigners are surprised that in India such erotic things are there. Wherever there is a religion, wherever there is a saint, these satanic forces have to reach there to destroy all that is pure. That is their style, their happiness which is the crucifixion of the purity. And such temples were created and those Tantrikas then came forward. They brought about all their women [unsure]. Say, from Konark, if you go, there is the Chausath Yogini Mandir, they call it “the sixty-four goddesses”. Imagine Goddesses’ temple! Now what do they do? Now what is the principle behind all that, you must know. It is a very secretive principle that they use. They establish the picture of a Goddess or create a statue of a Goddess in a temple. And before the Goddess, they do [inaudible], means sex act of different varieties of different types. Horrible! [Unsure] In the beginning, Shri Ganesha gets angry. They get all kinds of blisters all around. They say that Kundalini is angry. Kundalini? Why will she be angry?It is Shri Ganesha who is angry, but in such a temper! From the right and the left and they get all blisters. They start dancing, jumping, they behave like frogs, they have horrid things. They get blasted in the head, they get headaches, everything they get. But still they are adamant because it is said that, "You have to go further. It’s a terrible task, it’s a difficult task. These are your Karmas that are coming to torture you. You have to take out your Karmas. Through your sex you do better Karmas or bad Karmas ". So, they go on, poor people. Then, by that, doing all that, what happens? These Deities slip off. They go away from there. The area is vacated. The realm of God from there disappears. As light disappears, the darkness comes. They work in the night. They’ll never work in the daytime. In the night they work and then they call the spirits there. You can call the spirits. Last time I told you what happens to you when you die and how the spirits are there, what are the horrible spirits that are hanging around us to enter into you. So, I will not go into the details of that but later on I’ll tell you all about it. I’ll tell you each and everything. You note it down.So, they come, they call the spirits. When they call these spirits, spirits have the lust in them, greed, they’re greedy to satisfy you. And they manoeuvre them. They can give them the name of say ‘Rama’, then ‘Aim’, ‘Hrim’, ‘Klim’, all sorts of names they can give to these spirits. These evil geniuses manage them. And then, they put these spirits onto kings, onto his big ministers. And these people are captured and possessed. And they say, “We are very erotic. We are running after – we used to run after only two women, now we are running after hundred women.” Mad!They lose all their sense of self-respect. They have no understanding of what they are doing. Like mad they do. Even some saints can be affected but they get reactions physically. Saints if they indulge into it, immediately, they get reactions. They get reactions in the head, in the body. And the reactions could be very strong on them. Sometimes they vomit blood.So ‘these’ people start putting those horrible spirits on you, capturing you, taking out your will.In India, there was a Tantrika like that, who amassed lot of money. But his wife [inaudible] throughout. And he built that horrible temple of that Konark.If he had not put any erotic’s there it would have been a beautiful temple but with that erotic you feel like vomiting all the time when you see, I mean, if you are a sensitive person. You just can’t bear to see those private parts, the way it is described.Tomorrow they will ask us to watch these people sitting down there for the morning ablutions! Filth and filth and filth! The whole place is nothing but filth. And then his own son defied him, this horrible Tantrika. This Tantrika was killed in a very funny manner, which is worth reading how he was killed. And the son came down and he completed that temple but he told the King that, "Your kingdom will disappear". All these, all these kings disappeared once for all. They had no children, they had nothing and they became just shambles. And all of their temples were covered with stones, earth and they were just mounts. Later on, the English came there and some of them excavated and found out. They found it artistic, I don’t know how they found it but it was there.But in Konark you will find the whole thing is so vulgar, so horrid, where the artists – poor things – had nothing to say. And I met the artists of that place who are living around. They said, "We are paying through our noses all these days for what our forefathers have done and we don’t want to see that".Even today in India, an unmarried man and an unmarried woman will never go to see a Konark. Now the only explanation they have is this, you’ll be amazed, that after marriage Indian women are so innocent, as they’re married quite young, they don’t understand what is sex. So, teach them how, what is sex, it is made for the marriage. And only the husband and wife should go there. This is the only explanation our Indian artists could find out to give for that. But we have to accept. You see, in every country there could be a satanic force working. Why should we identify ourselves with those horrible Tantrikas? And why should we be ashamed of that?In Khajuraho, the other tantric place, you will find there are some places where you find erotica. But if you are alert and if you watch, these are placed in corners somewhere, while the gods and goddesses have big form, back, very great attachment, everything. So, it never comes to your notice. Unless and until you are taken to it and shown, "Now, this is an erotica". But surprisingly, most of the foreigners, and especially Japanese bringing their camera from this angle, from this angle. Why don’t they take their own photographs like that? What is there to go all the way to Konark to take those photographs? Shows your search! Shows what you are asking for! The way, from here, people take all the way those big, big cameras and go round and take photographs like various angles they look. What is there to take photographs? In that, what is there to gain? Sex, animals know, everybody knows, dog knows. What is there to teach about sex? You have done so much of mentally that now there will be impotency. And in there, you know that, in America, the highest number impotent are there because of this kind of perversion and ruining your innocence within yourself.Beware of it! This so-called freedom is nothing but abandonment of your sustenance of your Dharma that is within you. It’s built-in! It is there. It exists. You cannot cross it, "Thou shall not have adultery", Christ has said, "Not only adultery, but I will say, ‘Thou shall not have adulterous eyes’." And you see people [inaudible], all the time doing. And they say, "We have ruined attention." What will happen? Where are you looking? Where are you seeing? Where is your attention? This human attention built up ages. So much has been worked out. You have been brought from that level to this level today. Where are you wasting it? Into gutters, into filth, into dirt.Rise! And see your glory. Have your self-respect. As a Mother, I would [inaudible] to God. And these horrible Tantrikas and Mantrikas who are teaching you all kinds of things like putting a mandala – the other day somebody told Me – and putting your sex there. What is a mandala? Do you know? It’s the aura of God. You are showing your sex to God! Have some brains at least if nothing else! It’s the greatest shameful thing you are doing this to show your sex parts to God. Are you all lunatics? Can’t you understand? It’s a terrible thing!I get upset with those because you don’t know. You will lose all your chances of Realization. Your seeking is going to be lost completely, believe Me. Stand in your own glory. Why should you run after women? Why should you run after men? If you are a glorious person, stand in your own image. That’s the best way you are going to be a human being. This kind of licentiousness and permissiveness is going to completely finish that chakra in the Nabhi. If you see that one has got ten petals which are built so carefully, delicately, beautifully, with love. Do not confuse love with licentious behaviour. It is not! It’s sanctified love. I don’t say you become sanyasin, not at all, I’m against that also, another extreme that I’m going to tell you about Sexo-yogis, the third type. The Sexo-yogis type are the people who are suppressing their sex. They use do not marry. [Tape interruption] They use – they use the skull of human beings. They need skulls for that. To be in the subconscious, you have to have a skull. So, they kill people, take out their skulls and keep it with them.Shri Mataji, aside: Some people are coming, please open door.So, the – they keep those skulls with them and those skulls, they use it for drinking water, for eating food, all the time these skulls are there.Now there is a very good story, written by a great writer in India, Bankim Chandra [Chattopadhyay], known as "Kapalkundala" [romance novel’s name]. This girl, there was a girl whom Kapalis had met. He used to make her nude, he used to make her dance, he used to make her go in the see and used to control his sex sitting before her. And there are [inaudible], and during the sexual act, he would control himself. He went on like that and ultimately, he was to kill that girl. That is the height of complete abstinence because you’ll kill the person whom you were supposed to have. Just imagine, what perversion! What brain! What habits! I mean there’s a limit to this. God has not given you freedom to break your heads and to say that, "Oh, bull come and hit me!" And this girl was preserved. And then, someway or other, she ran away and she got married to a man. He visited her, brought her back and killed her.These are the Kapalis. If you don’t listen to them, they will take you to the "smashana" that is the burial grounds, cut your head, take out your skull and keep it. They will see to it that you go to the subconscious strata and they handle you better there. They would like you to die through their schematic. They do it. So many of them are doing like that. Even today, you have no idea. And people are so much enamoured, so much under the obsession of these things are, that even if you tell them that your gurus are doing like this and they have found out, still they will be there to kill you. Absolutely rabid people. They are possessed, brain-washed completely. At least some people should be saved, to save them, I’ve always say, that if a sari keeps flying out, even if you could hold a little bit of it, we can save the sari.The sanity did not come to you to understand that these horrible methods are not going to give you Self-realization. You must know what is Self-realization is. Now some people think that flying in the air, jumping somewhere is something great. Which incarnation did? Did you hear any incarnation who walked - who sat like this and was floating in the air? Which incarnation did that? And what are you going to do with floating in the air? Now, you are going to create a problem on the traffic.[Laughter]These nonsensical things why should you do?There is in Puna [in Shivapur], they say there is one saint who died, you see, and there is a stone. If there ten people take the name of the saint, it can come up, you see. And you can put a finger, it can come up. I said, "Is that what God should do?" Think of it! And when I went there, I found out that there was a big spirit sitting there and he said, "I “m going to sit down with Mother. I’m not going to go out". And the spirit of that horrible fellow is all the time sitting there. He doesn’t want anything. He just wants to befool people and sit down there and listen everybody’s taking his name, calling him a saint! When he is not a saint, why should he accept that he is a saint and be happy with it? Because human beings can do anything. They are given that power.And moreover, God is powerless before you because He cannot take away your freedom to be idiots or to be foolish or to be self-destroying. He cannot do it. He can only weep and cry, beg or say, "Please don’t do it, please don’t do it”, but He cannot stop it. That’s the only problem. And that’s why all of them have taken [inaudible]. They have all come from somewhere like spiders. At least I know sixteen of them. And three horrible women. They’re all there making money, making money, befooling you. Why do you need a guru for telling you a mantra? Any Dick, Tom, Harry can tell you. You must see the result, the proof, what’s happening out of it. You must think. You are intelligent people. You understand everything, why don’t you understand this, "I’m possessed". Are you under the complete obsession of such people? Or perhaps you have paid them so much money that you think, "Oh! Now we have paid so much, now what to do?" We should see through the whole thing. Like in the drama, you go and you don’t like the drama, "Still, as we have paid the money, let’s have it".It’s not that casual thing, it’s a very serious thing. You are going into the den of devils, [inaudible] finishing your Kundalini completely. Now there are twenty-five people among you who would say that it has happened to them. I’ve been correcting them. I’m doing it. They are getting it back. I only feel sorry for one thing, that you have been genuine about your seeking. You have been genuinely seeking. I can assure you that I went to America in 1970 to warn all these people. But that time they were, all of them had become something special type of possessed people. They would not listen to Me. I told Ravi Shankar. He said, "Mother you just don’t go near them. They will eat you out". That’s how to have experiences of Tantrism [inaudible] drugs. In India, how many people have seen the drugs – ask them, anyone of them? Ha! Do they even know what is the difference between "bhang" and this and that? These drugs and all these things were used by Tantrikas. And they are out here, they have been dealing drug.Things that go against your awareness whether drugs, alcohol, anything is not going to give you that higher awareness about which I’m saying. Don’t waste your life. It’s very precious. The most precious and the greatest time has come. Please respect yourself. And please understand your own value. What you are yearning for, find it out! And do not waste it. You have already wasted lot of your time. These, all these, I told you the seven strata on the left and right have names, which I think that time, I have no time to tell you, but there are names and names and names for everything. Hakini, Rakini, Lakini, Shakini, like that on the left-hand side they have got. This side [right] is Gayatri and Savitri and all that sorts of things. It goes on both the sides. All these are nothing but like resonances. They throw you from one to another strata. You are sort of tested in every strata. And when they found you are a gone case you go directly into hell. These are the achievements. So, I have to make a very simple statement that, "Keep yourself [inaudible], respect yourself. Try". If it works with you, well and good. I’m here to work out the raising of the Kundalini, the bringing it out of it. You yourself will be able to do after some time. But cleansing is needed and it should never be given up because there is no way out. Nanaka, Guru Nanak, he has written at least three-four chapters against these Tantrikas and Mantrikas and these Pishachikas and these [inaudible]. In India it’s an abuse to say – I mean I have first time used these words for that on my tongue. It’s an abuse to call somebody like that. If you say that to someone, then the people say, "Oh God!". They are kept outside like lepers. Kabira has written books after books, these treacheries and this and that, he lashed them left and right! He was a great poet. Everybody fought with him, tortured him. Christ had the same. He is the one who said not to go towards spirits at all! This is all spirit’s job. But you go in London every fifth house is a spiritualist sitting there, "Free hypnotics!" Why do you want to get hypnotized? Why do you want to get E.S.P, what they call, Extra Sensory Perception? All these so-called geniuses also, these prodigies are also possessed. I’ve seen many prodigies. One of them came to Me. I told, "All right, in My presence you calculate". She could not calculate even in once because I put a bandhan to her [inaudible] possession. I said, "You get out!"I’ve had many such experiences which I can tell you. Last time I’ve told you how people who are possessed came to Me and how they did. Now there is still time and we can go into a Self-realization experience. It will – it might take to some people only five minutes but to some, more. In any case you must have patience with yourself. And don’t be angry. Because when Gavin said that, "ego", [inaudible]. Because if it is not ego then the Superego comes, "We are the worst people. We are the horrible people. We-" you see, from one extreme to another. We have to stand in between. We have no way. You are not an aggressor neither you are taking aggression from anyone. You stand within your Self and through that, you emit your own powers. You don’t have to depend on anyone, nothing! We just watch. But you have to depend on the deities that are within you, which are going to see there has been a problem, they are to be corrected and we have to know where are the deities, where are they. In the Sahaja Yoga, modern Sahaja Yoga I may call it, there is no mantra given no mantra. Because every second the Kundalini is going like that. Now there are people who’ll say, "This I can tell you, this I can tell you". It is here they saw that. You must have seen she came to Me, she said, "Mother I’ve caught my Agnya". All right, finished. Agnya got cleansed [unsure]. So, nobody is given a mantra but you know where is the catch. You yourself say. She herself came and told Me, "I’ve got it a catch on Agnya". And you know mostly, extreme Agnya catching means what, you know? Paranoia. But she doesn’t mind telling Me because she sees herself away from herself and she told Me, "I’ve got an Agnya clearly". All of them say, "The Agnya is there. I can see those coming inside me". He told Me that, "I can see these entities now coming into me. And I throw them away and they have a nice, a nice program". If you all talk to them, they will tell you their experiences. Some of them went into trance; I had to take them out. So many things happen now. People, just like you came to Me, have gained. And you’ll also gain but be sensible about it, be wise. Be wise. You have to expect gains and nothing else, nothing you can call [unsure].So, may God bless you. We can go into a little meditation just by putting your hands towards Me. And if you could take out your shoes it will be better, it works better because the Mother Earth’s there and she helps no doubt. All the elements help you. They’re all around. You see, it was very cold in the street. At this time, it’s not so much. All the elements are there to help you. It was extremely cold and now it’s so nice. You can take out your coats and you’ll feel all right. There is this, your coats you hold out and you can feel comfortable, then you’ll feel very nice.[Cut in the tape]

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Talk, Euston, London, England 23-11-1977 [1977-1123 Talk Part 1, Euston HD] If you talk this to an Indian he will say to see they are aspiring to be like you You are their model they want to be like you, you want to have less develop Now everybody is making fun of even Gandhiji, you listen to that Thank god saadak took his name otherwise they are saying that we must have a very developed country and we must do this and these are underdeveloped country and then.. If you say these things and you can publish Its there but how it comes. how does it come? Because attention is not towards there And once you start human beings are like that They go one way they go inside you see till the end till they break there nose, neck, head, ears, eyes everything when it is finish then they will turn Had before that human beings are like that , they won’t learn a lesson till they have broken their nose and everything and our…..those people who are not yet so called develop they will also come the same way, they will break there everything. This is what it is,so you have to change you have to transform, you have to make them understand what’s the basic problem… Haaa how is he? Hmmm? Better you see now so this mission that you have taken First mission is to get alright yourself to release your own power of yourself to manoeuvre it to understand it by which you can transform other people by giving ideas to them it is going to be another thing I have never told people What sort of patient Psychiatric (mental) That’s it? You know even the sick psychic is just like a disease, sort of caught You don’t realise it’s a… If you be with a mentally upset person you might get Listening to him talking to him…too many vibrations are hot Are horrid is very… Very first you came The very first you came hmm good Is he better now are you feeling better Put your hand there this hand towards me nicely as if you are receiving something You Should be able to keep your eyes little still alright? They are not…there’s a problem thatsy There is nothing wrong, there’s a little problem on this Better now? Feeling cool? Keep your eyes close alright This a terrible thing to listen to this horrible people something from psychological troubles Why should do? Why should we go you are not a psychiatrist. Let this psychiatrist be mad and the mad should be psychiatrist. They are There’s a mutual sharing between the two.They club together they are the best to club and they should spare the whole world That’s a little bit there but otherwise He’s on the right Left is going up and down Left is because of his treatment to the…..patients How did he find them? We are here for the incurable sin also(laughter) You better get out of all this horrible jobs of you if you… You are alright now. good?? Put your hand little bit for a while let it go off Put your hand like this only on the ground yes comfortably now sit down for a while Let it go Let it pass out When the water is cold then you can ask Now You must take regular treatment for your liver And for your mental treatment they will tell you Give up your vegetarianism But not just indulging into it that’s the main point Don’t think about eating all the time Don’t eat big animals Christ used to eat, Rama used to eat, Krishna used to eat I mean they were all rakshas or what You see, these people had it… They say take the vegetarianism, now once you take the vegetarianism Who have been eating all the time, First thing they will develop is the liver trouble If not liver trouble you might develop Weaknesses of blood pressure others trouble because you see you are used to the kind of a food But in this cold weather imagine not eat… I mean you are not cows you can’t live like this , you don’t have much fat in the body Protect yourselves So then what to do? You go on eating things which are very much insufficient to give you the strength and then they bring their strength on top of you and that happen that’s the best way you make them weak physically and then attack This is their tricks, first understand their tricks, they are very cunning And for drinking they will never object you they will never say don’t drink Why should they say? Because that goes against there awareness in the simple things they will never say that don’t drink Thank god one by one they are going out of this world Getting right heart See my foot is there Stretch your legs straight alright? He is getting right heart quite bad Now don’t take any asan or anything at all Straight Right heart is still bad Right heart Are you worried about your father? Just now you don’t worry alright? For the time being just don’t think about him just don’t think Hmm its better This is good huh? Its opening out there He is a spirited person See his kundalini is opening Now how are you now? Better? Good Look at this flower But I saw all of you the other day When I was speaking kundalini was coming like a flower you know Opening out if you had eyes to see how the sap comes in and opens out the flower you see That’s how I was seeing and I was so happy you know very happy Hn… Good? He is getting very strongly on the right hand side on the nabhi is it? That means you know Mentally What? what? Can you say what is the reason? What is the reason? Not you. I am asking these people my Sahaj yogis Let them say , let them diagnose They are already doctors and you will be doctor by tomorrow Now tell me what is the reason You think? Right hand side is active Outside more He is more worried about the society and outside you see And he is more active about it All mind is there and he wants to work collectively from outside Inner side is the spirit you see left side his emotions are spirit Now he is an abstinence and he being doing a very hard work to be the very nice man and all the On the right hand side all the things but left hand side emotionally he is draining out himself And also in search the spirit is less he is more outside First you seek your spirit and suddenly you become collective Then you become the instrument the real instrument without seeking that you cannot act because you must get connected with that force which is going to act in the collective way but normally it happens with human beings and it is a One can understand That you see something wrong outside you see the society being spoiled you want to improve it But you improve it you’ll see that First a fall in this country for example you thought that if you become rich if your industry is developed you will be very happy so you had science with this and you did that Now you are saying let us go back That’s the way They are not happy either So from outside it’s not going to work out you have to work out inside so That’s the point he has to pay more attention to his spirit then it will workout Better now? Nabhi is getting better (hmm) For every ill in the society, politics anywhere you have to first develop beautiful instruments And that Is only possible you have to seek your heart and become that Once you are that the society improves, the whole thing changes This like you are light in this world You are trying to improve the darkness You are beating the darkness with that What you have to do is to light the candle So that everywhere there is light Though the candle is small unimportant, useless But you just see the effect Good? Take lot of sugar alright? Sugar is the food for liver Now everybody is not getting sugar I mean everybody is not suffering from the same trouble See this is the trouble, you take the same it becomes a fashion you know 15:01 He is not taking sugar Some people sugar is most important alright? Put your hand there Your liver is out….. there is a reason I will tell you what is the reason Because Do you eat fried food? Yes That you should not eat and you should not miss sugar as much as possible You know this gentleman sitting behind was half your size He was just about to go to the other world you know? He started doing this Now he has become a liver expert When you go to Australia You please give your bestow your powers to him David is already been there David is already prepared he is a liver expert But it has worked very good with him because he really suffered with it Then you realise This is a very common trouble in this country hepatitis very common One of the reason is lot of people don’t realise they got it (syogi Because doctors can’t find out till it’s absolutely finished case Then they will say that the symptoms will be he will going to coma that’s all That’s what they call it Then they say they have no cure for liver So many have to live with that Because of his agnya problem he has done something Concentration and all that see Be relaxed alright Again on the agnya Better now He will be alright See my hand alright Hmm good What’s your name Hari Han horrible jockies They are all going to now take job of jockies They are thin enough Liver is better now See his Vishuddhi and everything see now Alright turn around comfortably Be comfortable, absolutely relaxed Both the agnyas?, what else Both vishuddhis Still right heart Hn? Right? That his of course Of his father Now just see his vishuddhi Better? For all dentist, it is necessary to know how to break the Vishuddhi All teeth are supplied by this Vishuddhi chakra Teeth , this all ____everything muscles all this, everything is supplied by Vishuddhi So I mean if you know how to control Vishuddhi you need not pay dentist Are you alright now? You are very normal Putting into bandhan and take out his water ask him to Ask him how to take a bandhan himself Just see this He must be suffering himself Better now? With my hands I have to give you all a good massage I think come along now Better? Good? How do you spell it? B E R N A R D BERNARD Because it’s the left vishuddhi Its right agnya What was your father doing? Was he also a writer? He managed to _____milk in India 22:16 not audible 22:45 His left agnya How is he? Hmm You are alright now Once the pulsation goes away then he is alright There is a sort of a some goes down some comes up its like wobbly(ego superego) he will come down Both the thing are He has done harm to himself by concentrating Now better Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hello how are you? Feeling well? Put your hands towards me Give her a bandhan at the back Right agnya He is a mechanical man he is really like that Better? How is she? Hmm better? Put your hands under my feet All the psychological cases Torturing you You thought you give a great service to them But you did this service to yourself Like this boy Was nursing incurable Because he had become incurable Now he is alright You ask him he will tell you All full of compassion Better now He is too subtle What do you say Now put your hand like that So we make him sit in the bottom? You sit in that water Now what to do? Water has become absolutely____ Just imagine Levitation what they call that? How is she? She is getting left vishuddhi You just put your right hand on left vishuddhi she will be alright You enjoyed my talk? And thank god you didn’t go to all these I did some meditation You did some meditation What meditation? Who taught you? All these horrible people One thing you must see Anybody who say we are religious or god or anything you must go and see that person is he really that__ Such a hot tempered woman you know She used to beat___ Talking about kundalini Krishan murti come out of headaches I tell you for nothing If you meet people of krishnamurty disciple they have nothing but ego in them No love Hello how are you?I thought you bought a present for me How are you? You are alright now I think They work really well isn’t it? Alright come along Loudly so that they can hear also He came for the program? Who? Your friend? No no [1977-1123 Talk Part 1, Euston HD] in progress

Talk, Euston, London, England 23-11-1977 [1977-1123 Talk Part 1, Euston HD] If you talk this to an Indian he will say to see they are aspiring to be like you You are their model they want to be like you, you want to have less develop Now everybody is making fun of even Gandhiji, you listen to that Thank god saadak took his name otherwise they are saying that we must have a very developed country and we must do this and these are underdeveloped country and then.. If you say these things and you can publish Its there but how it comes. how does it come? Because attention is not towards there And once you start human beings are like that They go one way they go inside you see till the end till they break there nose, neck, head, ears, eyes everything when it is finish then they will turn Had before that human beings are like that , they won’t learn a lesson till they have broken their nose and everything and our…..those people who are not yet so called develop they will also come the same way, they will break there everything. This is what it is,so you have to change you have to transform, you have to make them understand what’s the basic problem… Haaa how is he? Hmmm? Better you see now so this mission that you have taken First mission is to get alright yourself to release your own power of yourself to manoeuvre it to understand it by which you can transform other people by giving ideas to them it is going to be another thing I have never told people What sort of patient Psychiatric (mental) That’s it? You know even the sick psychic is just like a disease, sort of caught You don’t realise it’s a… If you be with a mentally upset person you might get Listening to him talking to him…too many vibrations are hot Are horrid is very… Very first you came The very first you came hmm good Is he better now are you feeling better Put your hand there this hand towards me nicely as if you are receiving something You Should be able to keep your eyes little still alright? They are not…there’s a problem thatsy There is nothing wrong, there’s a little problem on this Better now? Feeling cool? Keep your eyes close alright This a terrible thing to listen to this horrible people something from psychological troubles Why should do? Why should we go you are not a psychiatrist. Let this psychiatrist be mad and the mad should be psychiatrist. They are There’s a mutual sharing between the two.They club together they are the best to club and they should spare the whole world That’s a little bit there but otherwise He’s on the right Left is going up and down Left is because of his treatment to the…..patients How did he find them? We are here for the incurable sin also(laughter) You better get out of all this horrible jobs of you if you… You are alright now. good?? Put your hand little bit for a while let it go off Put your hand like this only on the ground yes comfortably now sit down for a while Let it go Let it pass out When the water is cold then you can ask Now You must take regular treatment for your liver And for your mental treatment they will tell you Give up your vegetarianism But not just indulging into it that’s the main point Don’t think about eating all the time Don’t eat big animals Christ used to eat, Rama used to eat, Krishna used to eat I mean they were all rakshas or what You see, these people had it… They say take the vegetarianism, now once you take the vegetarianism Who have been eating all the time, First thing they will develop is the liver trouble If not liver trouble you might develop Weaknesses of blood pressure others trouble because you see you are used to the kind of a food But in this cold weather imagine not eat… I mean you are not cows you can’t live like this , you don’t have much fat in the body Protect yourselves So then what to do? You go on eating things which are very much insufficient to give you the strength and then they bring their strength on top of you and that happen that’s the best way you make them weak physically and then attack This is their tricks, first understand their tricks, they are very cunning And for drinking they will never object you they will never say don’t drink Why should they say? Because that goes against there awareness in the simple things they will never say that don’t drink Thank god one by one they are going out of this world Getting right heart See my foot is there Stretch your legs straight alright? He is getting right heart quite bad Now don’t take any asan or anything at all Straight Right heart is still bad Right heart Are you worried about your father? Just now you don’t worry alright? For the time being just don’t think about him just don’t think Hmm its better This is good huh? Its opening out there He is a spirited person See his kundalini is opening Now how are you now? Better? Good Look at this flower But I saw all of you the other day When I was speaking kundalini was coming like a flower you know Opening out if you had eyes to see how the sap comes in and opens out the flower you see That’s how I was seeing and I was so happy you know very happy Hn… Good? He is getting very strongly on the right hand side on the nabhi is it? That means you know Mentally What? what? Can you say what is the reason? What is the reason? Not you. I am asking these people my Sahaj yogis Let them say , let them diagnose They are already doctors and you will be doctor by tomorrow Now tell me what is the reason You think? Right hand side is active Outside more He is more worried about the society and outside you see And he is more active about it All mind is there and he wants to work collectively from outside Inner side is the spirit you see left side his emotions are spirit Now he is an abstinence and he being doing a very hard work to be the very nice man and all the On the right hand side all the things but left hand side emotionally he is draining out himself And also in search the spirit is less he is more outside First you seek your spirit and suddenly you become collective Then you become the instrument the real instrument without seeking that you cannot act because you must get connected with that force which is going to act in the collective way but normally it happens with human beings and it is a One can understand That you see something wrong outside you see the society being spoiled you want to improve it But you improve it you’ll see that First a fall in this country for example you thought that if you become rich if your industry is developed you will be very happy so you had science with this and you did that Now you are saying let us go back That’s the way They are not happy either So from outside it’s not going to work out you have to work out inside so That’s the point he has to pay more attention to his spirit then it will workout Better now? Nabhi is getting better (hmm) For every ill in the society, politics anywhere you have to first develop beautiful instruments And that Is only possible you have to seek your heart and become that Once you are that the society improves, the whole thing changes This like you are light in this world You are trying to improve the darkness You are beating the darkness with that What you have to do is to light the candle So that everywhere there is light Though the candle is small unimportant, useless But you just see the effect Good? Take lot of sugar alright? Sugar is the food for liver Now everybody is not getting sugar I mean everybody is not suffering from the same trouble See this is the trouble, you take the same it becomes a fashion you know 15:01 He is not taking sugar Some people sugar is most important alright? Put your hand there Your liver is out….. there is a reason I will tell you what is the reason Because Do you eat fried food? Yes That you should not eat and you should not miss sugar as much as possible You know this gentleman sitting behind was half your size He was just about to go to the other world you know? He started doing this Now he has become a liver expert When you go to Australia You please give your bestow your powers to him David is already been there David is already prepared he is a liver expert But it has worked very good with him because he really suffered with it Then you realise This is a very common trouble in this country hepatitis very common One of the reason is lot of people don’t realise they got it (syogi Because doctors can’t find out till it’s absolutely finished case Then they will say that the symptoms will be he will going to coma that’s all That’s what they call it Then they say they have no cure for liver So many have to live with that Because of his agnya problem he has done something Concentration and all that see Be relaxed alright Again on the agnya Better now He will be alright See my hand alright Hmm good What’s your name Hari Han horrible jockies They are all going to now take job of jockies They are thin enough Liver is better now See his Vishuddhi and everything see now Alright turn around comfortably Be comfortable, absolutely relaxed Both the agnyas?, what else Both vishuddhis Still right heart Hn? Right? That his of course Of his father Now just see his vishuddhi Better? For all dentist, it is necessary to know how to break the Vishuddhi All teeth are supplied by this Vishuddhi chakra Teeth , this all ____everything muscles all this, everything is supplied by Vishuddhi So I mean if you know how to control Vishuddhi you need not pay dentist Are you alright now? You are very normal Putting into bandhan and take out his water ask him to Ask him how to take a bandhan himself Just see this He must be suffering himself Better now? With my hands I have to give you all a good massage I think come along now Better? Good? How do you spell it? B E R N A R D BERNARD Because it’s the left vishuddhi Its right agnya What was your father doing? Was he also a writer? He managed to _____milk in India 22:16 not audible 22:45 His left agnya How is he? Hmm You are alright now Once the pulsation goes away then he is alright There is a sort of a some goes down some comes up its like wobbly(ego superego) he will come down Both the thing are He has done harm to himself by concentrating Now better Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hum sakshat Vishnumaya Hello how are you? Feeling well? Put your hands towards me Give her a bandhan at the back Right agnya He is a mechanical man he is really like that Better? How is she? Hmm better? Put your hands under my feet All the psychological cases Torturing you You thought you give a great service to them But you did this service to yourself Like this boy Was nursing incurable Because he had become incurable Now he is alright You ask him he will tell you All full of compassion Better now He is too subtle What do you say Now put your hand like that So we make him sit in the bottom? You sit in that water Now what to do? Water has become absolutely____ Just imagine Levitation what they call that? How is she? She is getting left vishuddhi You just put your right hand on left vishuddhi she will be alright You enjoyed my talk? And thank god you didn’t go to all these I did some meditation You did some meditation What meditation? Who taught you? All these horrible people One thing you must see Anybody who say we are religious or god or anything you must go and see that person is he really that__ Such a hot tempered woman you know She used to beat___ Talking about kundalini Krishan murti come out of headaches I tell you for nothing If you meet people of krishnamurty disciple they have nothing but ego in them No love Hello how are you?I thought you bought a present for me How are you? You are alright now I think They work really well isn’t it? Alright come along Loudly so that they can hear also He came for the program? Who? Your friend? No no [1977-1123 Talk Part 1, Euston HD] in progress

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Conversation, The Mind and its relation to Kundalini, London, England, 1977-11-24 Such terrible things they are. You have to just in any way be positive about it. [You people to come forward]The problem is much deeper than you understand. Very severe problem it is. They all were just waiting for you people to come up to them and to attack you. That was their whole strategy and they caught you into their webs.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Oh God, just disregard it.[Inaudible conversation] Today I’m going to tell you about the mind and its relation to our Kundalini. Shri Mataji (to someone): Don’t do that, disregarded. You just put your left hand towards Me, right hand outside, it will work out. You can sit that side, here, that side. But not, you need not open it much. Just don’t [inaudible].[Hindi?]Kingsley asked Me that they expect – all of you expect to get suddenly God’s Realization. I wish I could give you that. You should.But actually, you know, you have had problems – and very serious problems. And they have seen to it that the path of Kundalini is completely destroyed so that you lose your chance of Realization permanently. Absolutely that’s what they have done. And each one of them I find is working on different chakras. And so, if you go to two-three of them, then God alone can save you. And even if He can, I don’t know, because it’s very dangerous and they know their job very well. Moreover, you are so much under their obsession you can’t get out easily. When you go to them you don’t even – cannot even ask them one question, cannot even talk to them.Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: But with Me you’ll be arguing as if they have given you a job of a pleader for them. And you don’t realize also that you are arguing only because they are in you.Despite the fact you are realizing that this is the truth, still you go on, you see, and waste your time.I would say, "First keep yourself open completely". This cannot be argued out. It cannot be with your mind. It is something of the beyond. Keep yourself open. Receive as much as you can. Get yourself all right. Understand. Don’t waste your time. So many of you touched – you see, just that’s what I have to do with all the force, you see – that you touch the Sahasrara. It works out. You all get Realization so that you get the glimpse of what is Realization and you feel it, the vibrations, to convince you that this is the truth.But I can’t retain it on my own power. You have to retain it yourself, on your own powers.Without Realization, nothing is possible. That is a fact.But to retain it, you have to work it hard. But some people it does not require at all. They just get it and they are there, finished!Lady (on the phone): Get you where? You get it after, you catch it. [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Who’s that?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: This is in.Sahaja Yogi: To bring us to the right path.Shri Mataji: Forget it. Forget it. Forget it, it’s just a [inaudible]Lady: He has one, he has one. Shri Mataji: Now today, I will tell you the position of our mind. Now, the idea of mind that we have in our mind about mind, is very confused. So, let us first see what is mind, how are we placed as far as the mind part is concerned.You can have the chart or [inaudible] Can you fetch the board or something? How are you Andy?Andy: Better.Shri Mataji: How are you?Sahaja Yogi: All right, very well.Shri Mataji: You are all right, aren’t you? And what about you? Better? Yes? Put your right hand on your heart. Right hand on your heart. She come for the first time? You?Seeker lady: Yes.Shri Mataji: Uh, uh.Sahaja Yogi: He came for the first time after Caxton Hall. This is the first time.Shri Mataji: Did he get Realization? Did you get the cool breeze?Another Sahaja Yogi: He started to feel like that [inaudible conversation].Shri Mataji: What do you say? Yeah.Is it a good paper?Sahaja Yogi: I could get some bigger one for you.Shri Mataji: Bigger one if you can, then I ‘ll do. Sahaja Yogi: Djamel telephoned last night.Shri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogi: Djamel telephoned from Algeria.Shri Mataji: How is he?Sahaja Yogi: Very French. He will be here on the 24th.Shri Mataji: Very French! [Shri Mataji is laughing] What does that mean?[Laughter] Sahaja Yogi: He’s coming for 2 weeks from the 24th. He’ll try to be here from the 21st.Shri Mataji: It’s great.That’s it. Did you get some good paper? Is it?Sahaja Yogi: I’ll get some good paper.Sahaja Yogini: I placed it somewhere. Shri Mataji: Now this is the mind by which you are listening to Me. Whatever I’m telling you at this moment you are listening to Me. Your attention is on Me, you are listening to Me. All right? This moment you are absolutely conscious of what I’m saying. You are receiving it within yourself. This is the conscious mind, conscious mind. [Shri Mataji is drawing]Conscious mind: every moment we are conscious. But when you listen to Me then you take it through another mind which we call as the pre-conscious mind [Shri Mataji is drawing]… into the subconscious mind. Through the pre-conscious mind, you put it into the subconscious mind. [Shri Mataji is drawing]Did you follow this? We receive it through our conscious mind, put it into; the pre-conscious mind receives it. This is a monkey. The symbol of this is Hanuman. He receives it and puts it into your subconscious mind. All right?This is happening throughout since when you were an amoeba this has been happening. And now it’s happening much more when you are absolutely in the full stage of mind development. So-Sahaja Yogini (positioning of the paper board): [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: I can manage. It’s better. Now.Actually, the scientists they believe that the conscious mind is on the top, then there is pre-conscious mind and there is the subconscious mind. That’s what they believe into. But that is not the fact. The fact is that all this is placed like this within us.[Shri Mataji is drawing]This is the conscious mind, this is the pre-conscious mind and this is the subconscious mind. In the subtle form when they are placed in our spinal cord, there are three channels that work it out. The one that is the subconscious mind is worked out through the Ida Nadi which is called also as Mahakali channel, Mahakali channel. And this one, on this side, is worked out by Pingala Nadi which is on the right-hand side. In the center this one pre-conscious mind comes only up to a point, or we can say they go down much more. Now what they do is to have a loop here and a loop here. And they come around here and this is what forms the chakra. Do you understand now? So, they – once it moves like this it passes over its information, this pre-conscious mind passes over its information to this.In the chakras it is decided what is to be stored, where, what is to be done. All the decisions take place in the chakras.Now who takes the decisions? It’s the deity there. Now, how can we know there’s a deity?Say, for example, in a human body anything that goes inside the human being has to be thrown away. But the fetus of a child is preserved, conserved and looked after. That’s done by Ganesha at the Mooladhara chakra here. He organizes it, he arranges it. There are many other things which the scientists cannot, cannot explain. One of them is this that they cannot explain why the two chemicals ‘adrenalin’ and ‘acetylcholine’ react in different manners in a human being. They cannot explain. For example, if one has to augment, that is to contract, sometimes relaxes. It’s a chemical after all it’s a chemical. How is it that by the same chemical, sometimes it augments and sometimes it relaxes? They cannot explain and they have very frankly confessed it that the mode of action of these chemicals in a human being cannot be explained. All right?But they cannot go further. Why it is so arbitrary? What guides it? How they guide it? They do not know. Of course, now somewhere or other, in the awareness it’s also coming up that there is another nervous system that is guiding this. Now they are coming to this point also. They are saying this that, “There is another nervous system which guides all these things.” Now you see here is the conscious mind, is half way. And the pre-conscious mind and the subconscious mind meet at a point here. At these chakras, there are many chakras, this comes only up to a point much above the heart. And this we call as the sushumna nadi: Sushumna. It’s this Sushumna channel, you see. The central one is the sushumna channel.[Shri Mataji shows it on the drawing]Now, this, these represent outside. Now this I’m telling about the subtle things that are inside the spinal cord. All these channels are inside, out of which these two are expressed outside and they are called, gross form, they are called as left and right sympathetic nervous system. You can see with naked eyes the left and right sympathetic nervous system. But the channels that guide or the powers that guide them are inside the spinal cord. When you have seen the Kundalini rising and pulsating, these channels work out in the spinal cord. Outside the spinal cord, you can see the chain of nerves and you can see the sympathetic nervous system. Parasympathetic nervous system you cannot see because it is from brain, a little lower, up to the end of the brain, you can say, it comes up to enhance in there. But its effects are up to the heart chakra, we can say, up to the heart chakra are very much there. After that, all the chakras lie in the Void as we have shown you in the diagram. So, these channels - now you see, mind is not only here. Mind is also in the spinal cord.To think that thinking is done by mind is all right, but all organs do not act according to the mind. They act according to the chakras and these chakras control the gross plexuses which I have told you. The chakras are subtle things inside the spinal cord. They are not the plexuses but they are the subtle things that control these gross things which we can see with our naked eyes.None of these Kundalini’s books have described this. ‘Not one’ has described this. Imagine the basic things they do not know! Basic things that there are two forms of things, one is the subtle form which is inside the spinal cord and the gross that is outside. Can you imagine? They have written such big-big books and they have not described the basic things about Kundalini.Now you can see with your naked eyes. I will show you how the Kundalini moves. All right. Now, as you see there is a gap here. The gap is much more - I draw it out. You can see it’s a very big, much more, gap. But here I ‘ve shown it in a big way because I want to show the upper part of it.Now when these two channels start working – all right? – then what happens? If you start a machinery there are certain by-products, like the fumes. So, these fumes are to be accumulated somewhere. So, they bloat in the brain like this, like a balloon and one from here like a balloon. They bloat and then they join together. At that time this bone which is a soft bone in the childhood becomes hard and you develop your identity as 'I'. “I Mister God” is the greatest. You become 'I' and that 'Iness' comes to you. Deliberately God has put this thing into you. It’s a very important way – important thing that He has done in a human being. I’ll show you that which is placed here. Isn’t it complicated? I hope you don’t get upset about it, no? [Shri Mataji is drawing on a board] Because, as I said, to put on the switch is all right. You just press it, it works out the way it has worked in you and you think: “How can that be so easy?” It’s not easy! It’s all built in in you. It’s all there! And it works because I know the job. Now this is the brain of a man. What is the specialty of a brain of a man and an animal is that man reaches this apex, not the animals. Animals always have a flat [brain]. This apex is reached, why? Because this is the apex which one has to break through there. So, the ego and superego when they make a balloon - now I must tell you the difference between ego and superego maybe some of you may not be knowing. Ego is when the mother is, say, nursing the child. The child is in a complete joy. Then the mother removes the child from one side and puts him to the other side. He doesn’t like it. So, he comes up with his ego, “Why is it?” He gets very angry. So, the mother says, “Don’t!” Like that. So, his superego receives it, “Be poise now.”Ego is that by which we try to do something, by which we are aggressors, we plan for future, that’s the same thing. Is the ego that comes out of the pre-conscious mind by which we plan for future, “I must do this. ‘I’ am doing this”, and the another is the superego in which I receive it, “Oh, I should not have done it. It’s wrong.” The conditioning. Or some Guru comes and says, “All right, come and bow to me. All right.” Superego.So, the bowing of that is superego, asserting of that is ego. So, where should man go? You might say, “Either, Mataji, you become egoistical or you become a dormant personality, absolutely a dwarf. Now where do you want us to go and why God has made us like that?”[Laughter]He has made you like this, that with this mechanism you start using your freedom. And balance them so nicely in between that there is a space left and you come out.Without using all these instruments properly, your human awareness has not reached that state where you can understand His working. For example, at the time of Christ, imagine to those fishermen how could you talk about Kundalini? Was that possible? Even talking about Kundalini in these days to such learned people is a difficult task. So, in those days, to talk to the fishermen was an impossible thing. And those days, we had only fishermen who could come to Christ. None of these College [inaudible] would go to Christ at all, you see, so that was a problem. But now the awareness has come to this stage that ego and superego is balanced and when it is balanced there is a space in between and then the Kundalini which is the residual force here -that I will tell you later how it comes a residual force. Now, here is the brain. [Shri Mataji is drawing]All right. This thing flows into this one. This one flows into this one. My drawing is the same as God has made this creation, same as my own work. All right. So, this, you see, this is the Mooladhara Chakra here. Cha-kra. And this is the Mooladhara, the triangular bone in which the Kundalini is placed. Now, this part of it, you see, comes inside and settles down. When the child is in the fetus stage, then only the Kundalini, or you can say this force, comes in. Now what is this force? Is known as Mahalakshmi force which comes through the sushumna.Now, this is the force of evolution.This is the force of existence. And this is the force of creation. This is the one which we call as the Mana in Sanskrit language. This is the mana, not mind! There’s a confusion between English style and English – uh, Sanskrit. This is the Mana and this one is the Prana, you see, and Yoga means when Mana and Prana meet in the centre, they say Yoga can be achieved.This is 'Ha' and this is 'Tha'. 'Ha' and this is 'Tha'. This is Hatha Yoga. Or, 'Ha' means Surya, means Sun. 'Tha' means Moon. This is the sunlight and this is the moonlight.Ha-tha Yoga. Then they tell you big stories about Hatha Yoga. You’d better get a book of Patanjali itself and read it and don’t listen to them. Now Hatha Yoga is a way of climbing up in Agnya. Hanging there, there are two walls here. Put one foot here and one foot there and go on crossing. Again, you come down. Again, you come down. Then you go up like that, up to this point. From here you get into your ego sometimes, superego sometimes. Then sometimes by chance, with great luck, if you could go into this way your attention – I means this is a very hazardous thing – then you penetrate through this, all right? This is the Agnya Chakra.And then you get in here and hang over here for some time. [Laughter] Then sometimes the grace of the Mother comes in and then you may get your Realization.But by doing this exercise, you are a strong personality. And moreover, you have done your chivalry, so you are a great person too.But this takes sometimes, Johan [unsure] he was telling Me that he has taken twenty-one thousand years since when he was a frog. [Laughter]You see and he’s still staying in the water. He’s the same as John the Baptist. Twenty-one thousand years! So, when he met Christ he must have been nineteen thousand years. You see that is what it is.Now ours is a simple method, all right? That is Shri Mataji’s method, all right.You see this Kundalini is here and She’s my part, She’s my own. As soon as you face Me with your hands like this, through this, you see, these are the hands, you see, hands are coming out, say about this point here, your hands – hands are small here . Through the hands, the invitation of divine vibrations flow in. They go inside. First of all, they inform Ganesha. First of all, they inform Ganesha that, “It’s the Mother sitting here.” You’ll be amazed if you are facing Me, you cannot have any sex feelings. Try it. You cannot. It’s closed. This door is closed because it’s your Mother sitting here and have some shame about it. This door is closed and Ganesha is fully established.If you try and do any such thing then it’s a very much punishing style. It punishes you very badly. And that’s why you be careful about this gentleman Shri Ganesha. He is one of the most dynamic as well as a very sensitive deity.Those now who teach you to pay attention to Mooladhara Chakra and raise it towards some deity or mandala or anything are committing sin themselves. But they are then putting you into terrible sin.Spirituality has nothing to do with your sex. Nothing whatsoever. Whether you are impotent or potent or a girl or a woman or a man or anything! You can get Realization. But if you are using your sex for such purposes, very difficult. Because that is the basic point and then, you see, Ganesha first is to be satisfied. That’s why in the Indian mythology or in Indian life or in Indian form, first of all, they praise Ganesha because we must first of all create the holiness.He is the embodiment of holiness. He is the one who came to us as Christ on this earth. He is celibacy. And you, who have known Christianity, why should you accept these horrible, dirty, lusty? I don’t know. I don’t have, you know, such words what to use. But they are monsters and they’ve advised that you should do sex in the name of God. This is what this point to begin with – first thing you have to do is to establish here because this is the main person who guaranties, "All right, he is the best. He’s all right". This is the first certificate you must have to enter into the Kingdom of God, is Ganesha. Throughout He is there to guide you, but main basically there.People don’t like it when I tell them. But I have to tell you the truth whether you like it or not. You must have sane ideas about sex. Because of ruination of this chakra in the Western countries, it is very difficult for Western seekers.Apart from that, these gurus have done-they themselves have jumped into it. Why do you need a guru for that? After all, you have reached to the end of everything. And that’s why all kinds of diseases are coming up. It is so unnatural that your body reacts against it. Impotency develops, bad relationship with everyone and human beings become extremely sensitive. I mean, even the slight thing you do, people feel bad. You go on this way you feel bad, you go that way, you feel bad.On the other hand, a person becomes so shaky he doesn’t know which way to walk, “If he wears this kind of a dress, will they like it? If I take it like this, will they like it?” I mean all the time a person is trying to please the - another person. Never trying to think, “Where am I pleasing my Self? Or not?” Because my Self is first of all sweeting you. A very major part of your Self is here because you must look nice for other men to look at you or other women to look at you, that is the first criteria. In this shape, if you’re handsome, you are handsome, if you are not you are not. What does it matter? You are saints and you are seeking God. He has created you. First thing is holiness and holiness and holiness. Even hundred times, hundred and eight times is holiness that is needed in us to begin with. So, establish your Self there at the holiness.And you have had. Most of you have had heard about Christ. And even then, the way you have denied Him, this is the sign is of the too much of activity of this side. Too much of activity of the right-hand side, of the Surya Nadi is that, "I’m doing this. I’m doing that. We must be competent. We must do this work. We must do that work. And we must show on, want and earn so much money. And if the wife is not earning, she’s a useless thing, everybody laughs at her, but if she’s a carrier girl, she’s great because she’s earning money". All this is due to the activity of the right-hand side. This is all activity of the right- hand side going beyond all limits. And you suppress this part. All imperialism, all despotic, everything comes to this point. This is the Rajasa there. ‘Rajasa’ means there are three moods. This the Tamo Guna, this is the Rajo Guna, this is the Satwa Guna. So, by doing this what happens? You press the superego so much there is no balance and you start asserting your ego without knowing about it. The part about your ego is that if you suffer from ego, you will never know you are suffering. People even say like that, “I’m never egoistical, you see!” All they will say like that, “I’m never egoistical.” They’ll hit you hard, “Oh, I never boast about myself.” They’re like that. They say, “We never want to praise him.” They go on praising him. They start like this, “I’m not going to speak much.” They speak honestly! [Laughter]So, this is what it is. There is no balance. We go on, we go on creating things. And in this we go so mad, we forget every kind of balance that has to be. For example, now we start judging ourselves by the things we produce. Out of proportion through the Mother Earth productions we start producing such a lot, “And you must have machines to produce. Thousands of things we produce”.If you go in a house you feel, “Oh, God! Where have we come? To a junk house or what?” Something dropping from your head and you don’t know where to put them-where to put them. Now all this built up a lot.So, people like you came in and you said that, “This is all junk. Throw it away and let us become hippies”. So, you went out with others! [Laughter]From this end to this end, from this extreme to this extreme. Now here, on the superego side, all indulgences, all this drinking, going to the subconscious, seeing hallucinations. And then also what else? Drugs, drugs. And then also living just like pigs, even worse than that. This is self-destroying. This is destroying others and this is self-destroying. This is another style started, self-destroying.You live in such conditions that the whole body becomes absolutely dead and you talk of death all the time and then you start using spirits also. Death, death, death everything.This is death and this is life, you can say. But not the consciousness, is in the center. Then the Hatha Yoga means this one, 'Ha' in the abnormal way that people think of. This is not. This is the balance of both, is Ha-Tha Yoga. But normally, people what do they do, these people who are on this side? They will go to the runaway extreme of these people, you see, they don’t want all this. So, what they do? They will go on to the other extreme of this. And what is the other extreme of this is, “Give up materialism. Give up this.”And then you become a horrid personality. They’re so hot-tempered. These people try to control, you see, their sex, they will not marry, they will not have faith, they will drink urine. They will do all kind of nonsensical things!Why should they drink urine? I can’t understand. You see, they drink urine, they don’t understand this simple thing: whatever is thrown away by body why should we drink? Our body knows better than we do! And then do – then they do all kind of nonsensical things also like hanging themselves, you see, upside down and some of them running for miles together. And some of them doing exercises of the extreme type and oh God! They are very hot-tempered, dried people absolutely because the sunrise makes them completely mad. The Prana here, you’ll be surprised, acts on the heart because heart has to balance this. So, what happens, all these people suffer from a stone-heart. They have a heart of a stone. They don’t believe in any love business, nothing. Wife, they will not see. They’ll have nothing to do. Only one person who has gone this way was Buddha but he was born long time back as I told you to Rama and Sita. So, he could do that way. And the one who is the divine personality who moves on this, is the Hanumana. So, Buddha came this way and settled down here. Mahavira came this way and settled down here. But they forgot that they did not come this way at all. They came this way and they were absolutely tired, they were sleeping and suddenly they came by the same route as you all have come. Because the Kundalini is here [in the centre] so how can she come this way or that way? Kundalini being here she cannot go to the left or the right at all. When they have said ‘Hatha Yoga’ what they did was to use the Kundalini. Gradually they pulled her from this side to this side. Again, from this side to this side. Again, in the center only. It has to come by sushumna, there is no other way. Kundalini does not rise by any other way but sushumna itself.But the reactions can be felt on these. Supposing you upset Ganesha: when he gets upset, you get heated. Both centres completely heated and their heat is communicated on both the sides. Sometimes even you will find blisters coming out to your hands. People get blisters.This Rajneesh, his one disciple who came to us- what’s his name, it’s in the book, 'Gijere, Gijere'. He had all over the blisters. All over the blisters. And then he told Me, "Mataji, cure me, do anything". And he gave it in writing, everything he published in the papers. Then Rajneesh people gave him ten thousand rupees to please him, to come back again and putting the dress. This is what it is. Is it money? I don’t know what is it that makes people so much mad after money? They go to him to seek God. And then they become so materialistic that they don’t mind having any trouble in the body, just to advertise for it. First, he gave money to some women that, “You become naked when I’m giving lecture.” So, they all started. Just like the all manipulation of these – what you call, what you had these – what you had? These singers, four of them who started singing first of all?Sahaja Yogis: Beatles.Shri Mataji: Beatles! They started the same way, you see. They paid and made some women to get drunk and then they started singing. So, these women started reacting to that. And then they gave drugs and all that, I mean it was all the manager, the Beatles’ own uncle, you see, one of them, the one, the manager’s brother, I would say. Not the uncle but the manager’s brother was on my ship when I was with pilot [unsure] and he told Me the story. That’s how they managed and now everybody’s like mad, you know. It goes into everybody’s head that when somebody’s singing you must go mad like that. What is the need? If there’s something inside then there is no need to go outside like that. Inside whatever is happening should happen, not outside. They think unless and until you go do it in the full gusto, it will have no effect on this. So, this is what it is. That it’s due to the over-activity of this and the extreme movement of this side. So, now there are seven channels on this side and seven channels on this side. By these seven channels you are made to pass like resonance, you see. You move from here to here, to here to here to seven channels. Once you go to the seventh channel, you are on the last one, then you are thrown into the Hell here.Same here are seven channels. You are given chances and chances and chances. But if you don’t listen then to the seventh channel, you go to the Hell again. So, all of them are settled down here, down below the Hell. There are seven Hells also.All right, I need not tell you but Mahavira has described them very well because he went through superego. He went into Hell. Even Buddha has described it. Worst is Mahavira’s description. And if you read them, for three days you won’t eat any food. It’s horrid. But it is a fact, what He’s told you is a fact. Now this is – this is the Kundalini that is going to rise from here to here. This is the gap. These are like three ladders. But this can only go this way. So, this ladder is useless for this and this ladder is useless. But because of these ladders they have a loop on this one and a loop from here? And these chakras can be completely destroyed if their activity on these are more. Do you understand now?Like this, as I told you, like this is the central part and from here one comes as a loop, another comes from here. Now if they go on moving too much, they may come out like that and they become on their own and that is how cancer settles in, malignancy.The people who are very egoistical can also become malignant by temperament, because they forget that they are a part and parcel of the vast Being. They are just a cell in the body of that vast Personality and they cannot on their own start working. They have to relate themselves to Him. But this is only possible if this Kundalini rises and comes out and enters into the subtle Being which is around you. And this has to happen, there is no way out. Any religion, anything, any saint has to happen because this is the primule which sprouts in the seed and which has to come up, go up and open here. It’s a very simple thing because as soon as I – they see Me they know I’m there because this is awareness which understands, thinks, cooperates. There’s a telecommunication between your Kundalini and mine. I put my force into your Kundalini. I take it on My Kundalini and take it up. This is the first Kundalini, as the Adi Kundalini, you call it. And you have the secondly Kundalinis. And when they see Me then they are assured that they can come up. And that’s how the Kundalini comes up. But this could not be done earlier because this was not completed. But when it was just to be completed what human beings did was to press this very hard and before I could start off this, the pressing became so hard - [cut in the audio] This way. So, now we have two extremes. We have very egoistical people on this side or we have the other type who are destroying themselves every moment by every chance. And to help them, we have very egoistical monsters who have come from the Supraconscious.Beyond this is the supraconscious and beyond this is the Collective Subconscious. From that and from this, Collective Supraconscious and Collective Subconscious they are. From there you are getting spirits who are entering into your psyche through your ego and superego and they are working out for you. Through your eyes, through your nose, through your mouth, through your ears, they can enter through anything, through your Agnya. They enter inside and go into these and they start giving you ideas. Now as you had asked Me the question that with these things like chanting the mantras as that I told you before also, you say some funny name given to somebody. All right. You give that name to someone who is a devil, genius – absolutely genius evil – and that evil genius is given a name, say of ‘Rama’, all right? You can do if you have no conscious, if you have no fear of God, if you are just a rakshasa, as they call it, a monster of the worst type, you can give this name to anyone. So, you give this name to someone like that. And then they tell you in your ears, “Call the name of ‘Rama’.” All right?You start calling the name of ‘Rama’. Immediately what happens the actual place of Rama which is the right side of the Heart Chakra, Rama slips off there. He’s so angry with you for this nonsense that, “Why did you go to such a horrid fellow? Why did you not use your brains fully? Why did you go to him? Why did you deny God and why did you accept him?”So, Rama slips off. Once He slips off somebody else comes in and that is this evil genius who is called as ‘Rama’. He comes in and once he comes in, he starts working in your right-side Heart. Now what is it? It’s just opposition of Rama! What was Rama? Rama was a very obedient son. First of all, you become extremely disobedient to your parents. Or else maybe, that you have no feelings for your children as a father. You may go into abortions without any difficulties. Some girl you will sleep with, “She has conceived? It’s alright, go into abortion.” [Inaudible] No feelings as a father. No value for the life of your children. That develops with this kind of a chanting.Then He was a man known for his maryada, means for his boundaries: how far to go, how far to rule, how to look after a wife, how to look after the country, how to- He was the person who is known as Maryada Purushottama, means, “Highest among all the human beings.” He is the ideal for his boundaries.Now if you say, “a boundary” then they say, “What about liberation?” Naturally you think liberation is nothing but abandonment.Now, if there is a pilot sitting here, alright? Supposing you have to build an aeroplane, if you do not put it into certain boundaries, then when it goes high up in the air everything will go helter-skelter. All liberated nicely! [laughter] And nothing will be left out of that liberated soul. So, there are certain boundaries which we have to put for ourselves as human beings with our wisdom and understanding. That was done by Rama and that’s why those who catch on the right-hand side must know that this is the – something lacking in your character has come to them. Perhaps it might be lacking beforehand and might be it has been added up by this fellow because he must have read your mind and seen, “Oh, there’s little bit in him, little revolt against the father and the mother. All right, put it into him.” Then he starts thinking, “Oh, my father, you see, he’s a horrid. he’s this, he’s that.” And there was a boy, as I told you, Jean [?] who came to Me and he told Me, “I now was wanting to kill my father and mother, both” when he was chanting the mantra. And when he could not kill the father and the mother then he started killing himself. And when I asked the monster sitting on him, he told Me that they want more people in the subconscious or the supraconscious area, so that they can bring them come into the souls. So, they want them to die.See this. Death, I don’t mind. Even if somebody dies, they can be born again. There’s no problem because you don’t die. But this is not death: this is enslavement by these people. When you die you go into ‘their’ realm and they use ‘you’ for this purpose. And then you cannot get out of it, because when you are living then it’s possible but if you are dead you are absolutely under their hands. So, many of them that are into your mind they ask Me for Moksha. They say that, “You promised us that you will liberate us from these horrible people” or “You’ll give us Realization.” And that’s why some of the very horrid ones also get Realization for a second. That’s all. Because I have promised that. But then they don’t come further, they just give up. Because they are – because I have promised them so I just do it. But if you have to continue, then you have to respect yourself and to understand that you are saints. You have been seeking and you cannot be frivolous about it. You cannot be vain about it. But you have to come to it with great humility and receiving power. The more you try to receive it, the better it is for you. Then you will go further and further with it. Because you must know you have already been attacked, you have already been possessed, you are already under somebody’s enslavement. You must know all of you are. Sooner you see the better. There I’m happy Bogdan suffers but he sees at least. If you start seeing them attacking you it will be better than to be attacked and just numbed, you don’t know, you feel very happy. You are numbed like drunken people. Better to be aware of the pain than to be deadened so that you do not know if something is coming into you. Because you are a special fibre and special people. So, be careful about this. Because your subconscious and your pre-conscious, both have suffered quite a lot of damages. Not so much in previous lives as in this short life that you have made [inaudible] with the help of these horrid people. You have to come very positive into this and to understand that you have to cure. But if you are still identified with them it’s better that you spare Me at least and the Sahaja Yogis.You have to understand that it’s going to be tremendous task for all of us to work it out. You know how difficult it is. Then, say, you have seen how we were doing it. Tomorrow when you will be Realized, you will know that you will have to do the same thing as these people have been breaking their heads, beating here, beating there and the needles and pain, and needles and all kinds of screwing up that was going on in their heads and things. The way they were trying to push your Kundalini, it was so difficult you have seen it yourself. And which you will have to do yourself and you will be giving it to others. So, you must understand you must cooperate all. And be wise about it. Don’t come into the charm of these people. They have given you nothing so far except for emptying your purses and making them light. They have nothing to give. I have to warn you because most of you have been to such places. In India, when I started my work, I never talked about it for three years. But then we got some groups which were going outside and we had a terrible time. And those who were Realized did not know why it was happening like this. And I had to tell them about this that exists. I never told them. You’ll be surprised if you read – if you hear my first lecture in America, I never mentioned about these people. Nor did I mention about the spirits that are within us but they are. And that’s how they have brought such a confusion, such a confusion! It was never that bad, you see. In the Gita, Krishna has said: "Paritranaya sadhunam vinashaya ca duskrutam" [Gita IV; 8], meaning: "I have come again and again on this earth to destroy the monsters or the dushtas or the cruel forces, satanic forces and to give protection to the saints."But here the saints are confused with them. I mean this Kali Yuga is terrible! Where are the saints? I find the saint has got something sitting on his head. And it’s so delicately woven, it’s very difficult to take it out. Unless and until you all cooperate with Me it’s going to be very difficult to resolve. But once some number of yours is nicely done and coming up then you will see it will work much faster. Much faster, I’m sure of it. The same thing happened in India. For two years – imagine – twelve people I was working on. And twelve people got Realization out of twenty-five. After two years! So, it’s much better now. And you get it because you are saints. You get it that fast. But you are shifty people. It doesn’t stay. With Indians they take time, but it stays because their Chakras are all right. But they are little – not yet seeking. You were seeking but you went into the cut in your seeking. All these broken bones have to be put right, all these broken hearts to be brought right. And you have to just cooperate and understand that it is all for your good. Denying is the easiest thing. So, don’t deny. You all have experienced, most of you has the experience of vibrations and you can see there are some people who are here who can feel your vibrations and can tell about it. You can also get it and you can be also of the same type and of a much higher type if you little bit cooperate with Me and work it out. And don’t get disgusted with yourself. One day, indeed it will be like this, next day it will be like that. Doesn’t matter. In any case, you are progressing. So, don’t get upset. I know why you are upset, but that we’ll look after. All right? So, just be patient with yourself. You have to be patient because you have had a problem. [Cut in the audio] How did they accept this horrible Mahesh Yogi? How? Why did you accept him? Bending your head before him, why did you do it? Before all these gurus? There’s another one Pia, who came from Sweden-Sahaj Yogi: Denmark.Shri Mataji: Denmark. She tells Me, “I can’t accept you as Mother.” I said, “What? What did you do with the Lama?” With that Lama, every day she had to go to him and bow before him one thousand and one time. And she did it for one month. And she wouldn’t accept Me, you see, when I said [inaudible], because it’s difficult to accept the truth.One thousand and one time she had to do, every day she did. And she couldn’t accept Me so, she went away. Because there was another lama sitting there, I think, in her head. And she’s a gone case. Now she’s having a very bad time but she’s gone. But thank God, sometimes, you see, we have to thank because such horrible people if they enter into us, they trouble us a lot also, aren’t’ they? They divert your attention, they take away so much of your time discussing, arguing, arguing, [inaudible] How can you argue it out? This is a happening. You cannot argue it out.Still, I’m quite good at arguments and answering your questions. I’m quite good. I’ve learned how to defeat you. And I’ve too much patience. But why do you want to waste your time? Better have it. Better have it. Best thing is to get the blessing soon, as soon as possible. I’m anxious to give you, anxious to do it. What’s the use of talking about food? Better have it. Enjoy it! The whole world is created for your enjoyment, for your blessings. I know you have spoiled yourself, doesn’t matter. I’ll wash you completely. Everything I will do for you but cooperate with Me, don’t waste your time. Four years we took to create these seven people. Seven. Four years because you must know you are the first in this Western world to be that steady. Many things can be done but only one thing I can’t do, is to force you to meditate. How many people have had nimbus [lemons] with them?So, any questions? Of course. Any questions? Then we can have food and then I’ll see their Kundalini. That is the last.How many of you had nimbus – no lemons? Hold your hands. Have you thrown? Are you better now? Getting –Sahaja Yogi: After I got one, I feel a space out.Shri Mataji: Spaced out. That’s it! Spacing out is the point. You never felt that before.Sahaja Yogi: No.Shri Mataji: That’s it. Are you feeling any cool in the hand? How is it? David?David: He just gave up smoking in no time.Shri Mataji: Hum?David: He just gave up smoking in no time.Shri Mataji: Smoking.Sahaja Yogi: He got a very strong experience of nausea and he just [inaudible]Shri Mataji: These are my tricks, you know? I stop your smoking.Sahaja Yogi: That’s how.Shri Mataji: Yes, I will. Because once you start doing that then I have to do something, isn’t it, to stop it. The smoking has to be stopped because it’s very bad and Krishna doesn’t like it at all. It’s very bad for the Vishuddhi Chakra and for the stomach. It’s very easy to stop. Very easy. You will be surprised within one year’s time you’ll be surprised how much you’ll do things and how you’ll give up these things. Except for few things you won’t give up which I’m going to tell to very few people. [Laughter] [Shri Mataji claps her hands]Ha! Better now, better, is he? Better? How are you David, mister David?Sahaja Yogi: I’m pleased to be here tonight.Shri Mataji: Hum?David: He’s pleased to be here tonight. Shri Mataji: Is it? But that’s not sufficient. That’s very diplomatic. What about your Agnya Chakra?Sahaja Yogi: Well, it doesn’t do what it’s used to do when I was hanging on to you. I think it is still-Shri Mataji: Pain? Pain is there?Sahaja Yogi: No pain, no.Shri Mataji: No pain at all. Pain is gone, completely.Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: All right. Are you putting your eyes on the ground while walking on the roads? Or you’re looking at the girls?Sahaja Yogi: I haven’t been putting my eyes on the ground.Shri Mataji: You should.Sahaja Yogi: Oh.Shri Mataji: Put your eyes because ground, you know, the Mother Earth she takes away all the heat from the eyes, all right? Very necessary. Ganesha is made out of Mother Earth and if you put your eyes to the ground, she gives you that soothing feeling. It’s very good.Say, for example, in the morning time – of course winter staying here is very cold but otherwise – if you, during summertime without wearing any shoes or anything if you walk on the grass, it’s very good for the eyes. Very good. And taking, you see, cool bath in this part is very good during summertime. Not winter here because winter is very severe and cold is also bad. But a day when there is quite hot, it’s so hot you can bear it. Then you should do it. It’s very good for the eyes.There are many things which are good for eyes. But the best thing is to pay no attention to anybody’s eyes because you catch from everybody’s eyes. Here every man like a, you see, watch tower is going on. What are you looking at? Where are you looking? Where are you going? Watching whom? It’s two attitudes. One is, "How many are looking at me" and "How many I have to look at". It’s a mad world. It’s such a loss of energy. Eyes have nothing to do with sex. It’s perversion. Absolutely perversion. That’s why Christ has very clearly said that, “I’m not talking of adultery but I’m talking about eyes that are adulterous.” We should not have adulterous eyes. [Matthew 5:27-28; Peter 2:14] Eyes are very important. You see, they are on the Agnya Chakra. They are the windows. See, from the eyes it should be only going, nothing coming. It should be so, such a clear eye that from the eyes it’s only going to others. Absolutely it should be clear. Nothing taking in. Then it’s all right, you can look at people. Even I don’t look at people because sometimes I think that they might faint or they might get a Kundalini suddenly up and all that. That’s why I’m little bit worried about that might happen with Me, because so much love also very few people can take in, you see.Eyes should be absolutely clear, going outward, not receiving anything into the eyes from others because what you receive is dirt and filth. This is how you receive all the spirits from the eyes and they go into yourself. Most of these gurus touch your Agnya and put the spirits into it through this. That’s why, you see, Mohammad Sahib said, “Never bend this before anybody else.” If you have bent this before anybody else, but a person who is really an authority then all your – this is the sign of your human - of you being a human being. And when you bend this before anybody else, then they hit you hard and they come into you and they work it out. That’s enough for everyone, I think. Be silent. How are you now Henri [unsure]? Better?Sahaja Yogi: Hum. Terrible.Shri Mataji: Alex is much better now. See how he was, poor thing, that Lama of [inaudible] he has tortured him completely. He is supposed to be a Lama and the things he did to his wife, it’s terrible! It’s all horrible people. Beat them with shoes and throw them away in the sea! They want your women, they want your money, they want everything. They are looters. Better? How are you? Now don’t start condemning yourself too much. You are not to condemn yourself. Love yourself, respect yourself. You must respect. Not to condemn but love and respect because you are the- the chosen ones. You are chosen. Not to condemn. Forget the past, finished! Forget it. Now, don’t think about all the things, “I did this in nineteen hundred and nine.” [Laughter]That’s [inaudible]! I do my duty isn’t it? [Laughter]And that’s why you don’t have any questions.[Laughter]Ah! Don’t do all that. It’s good for nothing. Useless things. Finished is finished. Past is past. Is lost. And future doesn’t exist. So, enjoy the present. The present you must enjoy. The present is most enjoyable. Hum. Good. Myriam, what do you say? Better?Myriam is a born Realized person. Since she has advantages over you that she doesn’t catch much. And if she catches things, she throws away in no time. We have another one you have seen is Kevin. They’re many people in this world, there are many people who have – who are born Realized now. And many children are born Realized, many children. I mean, so many of them that you’ll be surprised! Now, most of the children we see now are born Realized. They are all coming down great people, then but you are the foundation. They are all going to come down to Sahaja Yoga. All of them are going to help us within ten years, you’ll see they’ll be all standing there. They all know about Kundalini.For example, now, Kevin, you don’t have to tell him. He knows everything about Kundalini, Kundalini, everything, he will tell you about. First time he came to see Me, he knew everything about Me.And I went up and he said, “How did She go up?” She said, “Why? She went by staircase.” He said, “But where is the red carpet? You must spread some nice carpet for God. What do you think you are? And what She is? You’ve done nothing?” Like that, you see. He knows all about Me, he knows all about Kundalini. He is born like that.My own grand-children are like that, Realized. And when they were very young about six months age, two grand-daughters, they used to sleep with Me in the night. They would get up in the morning and start sucking my feet, just fallen there for half an hour. And their mother would come and say, “What? What are they doing, Mommy? I can’t understand. What are they doing to you?” Because they could feel it.They talk like that. They have seen Me. My grand-daughters have seen Me. They talk like that. They’ll understand everything. They know about Kundalini. Even a little one which is newly born one, she was hardly, I think, four months or five months, you see, she had just started crawling. So, one of the Sahaja Yogi had come, you see. So, she saw him; she was at my feet. She came down and starting hitting him on his Agnya and his Agnya opened out.They understand Me because it happened to them inside and they know where is the obstruction and they work it out. Only thing you people, all of you, should decide about yourself, to make yourself strong as I said, each one of you. Don’t depend on others. You yourself all know and then it will work out.It’s good now. And what about food? They can have?Then we’ll have a little session of this. Humm, put a bandhan on the liver. Right hand, right hand, all right? She’s come for the first time? You told Me- [Laughter]Sahaja Yogi: She was here before, Mother, but she’s always kept in the background. [Laughter]Shri Mataji: I had never seen her before that’s what I was thinking… Come here, come here. She’s very good. Sit down, sit down, sit down facing that side, you see, facing that side. Look that side. Sit down, sit down properly. Can you sit on your foot? Ha, like that. Sit down.All the machinery starts. All right? [Laughter]Workshop.Now, tell Me. All of you who are Realized, now let’s see. [Inaudible] come along, when you will give, then only it will flow, it’s not going to be given to you free. You have to work it. Come along now. Tell Me.Sahaja Yogini: [Hindi?].Shri Mataji: This is, that’s it. How about – where is My hand? On the Vishuddhi Chakra. Just my hand is there and you are feeling that. She has a problem there. Everybody is getting it on these fingers? Burning? See. What’s wrong with you? You are all right, you can feel it. Come along now. How are you? Feeling it?Sahaja Yogi: I feel she has it on this one.Shri Mataji: Which one? This one you are feeling? Put a bandhan to yourself and see now. Work on your own. They can, at least her [unsure] It just, just increases.Sahaja Yogini: No.Shri Mataji: Just. Just, just. Nothing is going to happen to you. She’s very sweet.Sahaja Yogini: I don’t know if I give bandhan. [Unsure]Shri Mataji: It doesn’t have to. You see, I have done it to men. All right, come here. Hum? It starts working better, all right. Let it be we have… She has fears, you see. Ha, that’s it.What? Agnya?You put your right hand on the heart only. [Tape interruption.] There is God. And also, we know that He is reflected in us, in our heart as Spirit, as Atma, as Self.Now when we know about the three channels that are working within us of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati - the three powers of Ida, Pingala and Sushumna which create the subconscious, pre-conscious and the conscious mind- are working in our consciousness. That means we are conscious of them. We are conscious of our left and right that is Ida and Pingala, sympathetic nervous system. We are not conscious of the parasympathetic.That means that we can increase the rate of our heart, we can increase the rate of our breathing, but we cannot decrease. The decrease or what you call the lowering down of the rate is done by parasympathetic. So, the parasympathetic is active but we are not conscious of it in the sense that we have no control over it. The Spirit that is God which is reflected in us resides in the heart. The manifestation of the Spirit in our heart controls the parasympathetic. But this Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty in our heart, as if in a mirror. And divine love which is the light of God is reflected in us through the reflection of the Spirit as the Unconscious mind. So, within us there is an area about which we are not conscious. That is why it is called as Unconscious. That area lies so far away from our conscious mind that we cannot control it. We are not conscious of it. But it acts through parasympathetic activity. How it acts? I will give you a simile. Supposing there is a power-works somewhere and it is acting through this light over here. You don’t see the power-work or the factory or wherever the power is created. But what you see is the manifestation here and you see the light. But supposing you do not see the light nor the lamp nor the factory but you are affected by it. That is the situation of a human being. A normal human being who is not a Realized soul is not aware of that factory which is God or the light it has got, is not aware of the lamp that he has got in his heart and is also not aware of the light that the lamp is emitting. But it is acting. So, the Unconscious mind is nothing else but the projection of God’s will through the light of divine love.I’m giving this simile again and again which is very good and act, that these two powers that are within us, one on the left, another on the right-hand side are there and we are conscious of them and we use them. Out of them, the right we use it in absolute awareness. Left one we know is used as subconscious mind and, sometimes, if you take drugs or if you do something like that, then you go to your subconscious also. So, you can become aware of the subconscious area also. So, you become – you are aware of the right-hand side already and you are aware of the subconscious sometimes when you try to get aware of it. So, these two powers, that are within us, are all the time vibrating in a wave. And the points at which they meet they create the throb, or you can say the center. Center is created, a Deity is placed but there is no light for us to see or to feel or to be conscious of the Deities.Deities are fast asleep. When the Kundalini rises - now Kundalini is the subconscious [at this stage]. You’ll be surprised that Kundalini is the Mahakali Power. She’s absolutely pure, in the purest form because she’s not used. We can say part of it is used in us, our subconscious. Sort of you have kept some water separately which you have not used so far.So, first of all we use the subconscious water and the pre-conscious water and – but we dirty it, we exhaust it. Then the stored-up power rises and does the last cleansing. But when she rises, she creates a third current. Still that third current when she is rising doesn’t have the light. But when it reaches the Sahasrara and pierces it then it becomes one with the Universal Consciousness. Because what is God is the One who controls the Universal Consciousness. He is the controller of the Universal Consciousness. He emits the light and when this Kundalini rises, it gets that flame on it. So, now all the deities get awakened. Now you may say that, “It is in the heart, Mataji, you are saying. You are saying it is here.” There’s a confusion people think. But actually, it is all-pervading. Say, God is a nucleus, you can say, or a factory which has a light all over and is reflected in the heart. So, when your Kundalini, a particular individual Kundalini touches that, then this light takes place. Then the heart – in the heart the Spirit is ignited or sort of it emits his – it manifests, projects, and his projections are these vibrations.So, through this you know the will of God. Through this you have a dialogue with God and you understand Him, what He wants. And what does He want you to know? There are three qualities of God which you can feel through this.One, what is the truth. You ask any questions. If you are asking for something and if it is in ‘Yes’ then you’ll get too many vibrations. If it is in ‘No’, vibrations will low down. That’s how you can verify what is right, what is wrong, what is the truth, what is not the truth. Now you can know. Nobody has to tell you. You don’t need any clergyman or anybody to certify. It is there. Through your vibrations you can feel it: is this the truth or not? Is it a correct place you have come to or to the wrong person? Then also the various combinations and permutations of these, you see. It is true but still there is a little point which is wrong in you.For example, if you say that Christ was resurrected in person: “Yes, that’s true”. You’ll get more vibrations. But if you see now that if you say, “Is it Mataji the Mother of Christ?”. If you do not accept it, you will not get it on the Sahasrara. It should be on the Sahasrara.[End of tape]

Conversation, The Mind and its relation to Kundalini, London, England, 1977-11-24 Such terrible things they are. You have to just in any way be positive about it. [You people to come forward]The problem is much deeper than you understand. Very severe problem it is. They all were just waiting for you people to come up to them and to attack you. That was their whole strategy and they caught you into their webs.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Oh God, just disregard it.[Inaudible conversation] Today I’m going to tell you about the mind and its relation to our Kundalini. Shri Mataji (to someone): Don’t do that, disregarded. You just put your left hand towards Me, right hand outside, it will work out. You can sit that side, here, that side. But not, you need not open it much. Just don’t [inaudible].[Hindi?]Kingsley asked Me that they expect – all of you expect to get suddenly God’s Realization. I wish I could give you that. You should.But actually, you know, you have had problems – and very serious problems. And they have seen to it that the path of Kundalini is completely destroyed so that you lose your chance of Realization permanently. Absolutely that’s what they have done. And each one of them I find is working on different chakras. And so, if you go to two-three of them, then God alone can save you. And even if He can, I don’t know, because it’s very dangerous and they know their job very well. Moreover, you are so much under their obsession you can’t get out easily. When you go to them you don’t even – cannot even ask them one question, cannot even talk to them.Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: But with Me you’ll be arguing as if they have given you a job of a pleader for them. And you don’t realize also that you are arguing only because they are in you.Despite the fact you are realizing that this is the truth, still you go on, you see, and waste your time.I would say, "First keep yourself open completely". This cannot be argued out. It cannot be with your mind. It is something of the beyond. Keep yourself open. Receive as much as you can. Get yourself all right. Understand. Don’t waste your time. So many of you touched – you see, just that’s what I have to do with all the force, you see – that you touch the Sahasrara. It works out. You all get Realization so that you get the glimpse of what is Realization and you feel it, the vibrations, to convince you that this is the truth.But I can’t retain it on my own power. You have to retain it yourself, on your own powers.Without Realization, nothing is possible. That is a fact.But to retain it, you have to work it hard. But some people it does not require at all. They just get it and they are there, finished!Lady (on the phone): Get you where? You get it after, you catch it. [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Who’s that?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: This is in.Sahaja Yogi: To bring us to the right path.Shri Mataji: Forget it. Forget it. Forget it, it’s just a [inaudible]Lady: He has one, he has one. Shri Mataji: Now today, I will tell you the position of our mind. Now, the idea of mind that we have in our mind about mind, is very confused. So, let us first see what is mind, how are we placed as far as the mind part is concerned.You can have the chart or [inaudible] Can you fetch the board or something? How are you Andy?Andy: Better.Shri Mataji: How are you?Sahaja Yogi: All right, very well.Shri Mataji: You are all right, aren’t you? And what about you? Better? Yes? Put your right hand on your heart. Right hand on your heart. She come for the first time? You?Seeker lady: Yes.Shri Mataji: Uh, uh.Sahaja Yogi: He came for the first time after Caxton Hall. This is the first time.Shri Mataji: Did he get Realization? Did you get the cool breeze?Another Sahaja Yogi: He started to feel like that [inaudible conversation].Shri Mataji: What do you say? Yeah.Is it a good paper?Sahaja Yogi: I could get some bigger one for you.Shri Mataji: Bigger one if you can, then I ‘ll do. Sahaja Yogi: Djamel telephoned last night.Shri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogi: Djamel telephoned from Algeria.Shri Mataji: How is he?Sahaja Yogi: Very French. He will be here on the 24th.Shri Mataji: Very French! [Shri Mataji is laughing] What does that mean?[Laughter] Sahaja Yogi: He’s coming for 2 weeks from the 24th. He’ll try to be here from the 21st.Shri Mataji: It’s great.That’s it. Did you get some good paper? Is it?Sahaja Yogi: I’ll get some good paper.Sahaja Yogini: I placed it somewhere. Shri Mataji: Now this is the mind by which you are listening to Me. Whatever I’m telling you at this moment you are listening to Me. Your attention is on Me, you are listening to Me. All right? This moment you are absolutely conscious of what I’m saying. You are receiving it within yourself. This is the conscious mind, conscious mind. [Shri Mataji is drawing]Conscious mind: every moment we are conscious. But when you listen to Me then you take it through another mind which we call as the pre-conscious mind [Shri Mataji is drawing]… into the subconscious mind. Through the pre-conscious mind, you put it into the subconscious mind. [Shri Mataji is drawing]Did you follow this? We receive it through our conscious mind, put it into; the pre-conscious mind receives it. This is a monkey. The symbol of this is Hanuman. He receives it and puts it into your subconscious mind. All right?This is happening throughout since when you were an amoeba this has been happening. And now it’s happening much more when you are absolutely in the full stage of mind development. So-Sahaja Yogini (positioning of the paper board): [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: I can manage. It’s better. Now.Actually, the scientists they believe that the conscious mind is on the top, then there is pre-conscious mind and there is the subconscious mind. That’s what they believe into. But that is not the fact. The fact is that all this is placed like this within us.[Shri Mataji is drawing]This is the conscious mind, this is the pre-conscious mind and this is the subconscious mind. In the subtle form when they are placed in our spinal cord, there are three channels that work it out. The one that is the subconscious mind is worked out through the Ida Nadi which is called also as Mahakali channel, Mahakali channel. And this one, on this side, is worked out by Pingala Nadi which is on the right-hand side. In the center this one pre-conscious mind comes only up to a point, or we can say they go down much more. Now what they do is to have a loop here and a loop here. And they come around here and this is what forms the chakra. Do you understand now? So, they – once it moves like this it passes over its information, this pre-conscious mind passes over its information to this.In the chakras it is decided what is to be stored, where, what is to be done. All the decisions take place in the chakras.Now who takes the decisions? It’s the deity there. Now, how can we know there’s a deity?Say, for example, in a human body anything that goes inside the human being has to be thrown away. But the fetus of a child is preserved, conserved and looked after. That’s done by Ganesha at the Mooladhara chakra here. He organizes it, he arranges it. There are many other things which the scientists cannot, cannot explain. One of them is this that they cannot explain why the two chemicals ‘adrenalin’ and ‘acetylcholine’ react in different manners in a human being. They cannot explain. For example, if one has to augment, that is to contract, sometimes relaxes. It’s a chemical after all it’s a chemical. How is it that by the same chemical, sometimes it augments and sometimes it relaxes? They cannot explain and they have very frankly confessed it that the mode of action of these chemicals in a human being cannot be explained. All right?But they cannot go further. Why it is so arbitrary? What guides it? How they guide it? They do not know. Of course, now somewhere or other, in the awareness it’s also coming up that there is another nervous system that is guiding this. Now they are coming to this point also. They are saying this that, “There is another nervous system which guides all these things.” Now you see here is the conscious mind, is half way. And the pre-conscious mind and the subconscious mind meet at a point here. At these chakras, there are many chakras, this comes only up to a point much above the heart. And this we call as the sushumna nadi: Sushumna. It’s this Sushumna channel, you see. The central one is the sushumna channel.[Shri Mataji shows it on the drawing]Now, this, these represent outside. Now this I’m telling about the subtle things that are inside the spinal cord. All these channels are inside, out of which these two are expressed outside and they are called, gross form, they are called as left and right sympathetic nervous system. You can see with naked eyes the left and right sympathetic nervous system. But the channels that guide or the powers that guide them are inside the spinal cord. When you have seen the Kundalini rising and pulsating, these channels work out in the spinal cord. Outside the spinal cord, you can see the chain of nerves and you can see the sympathetic nervous system. Parasympathetic nervous system you cannot see because it is from brain, a little lower, up to the end of the brain, you can say, it comes up to enhance in there. But its effects are up to the heart chakra, we can say, up to the heart chakra are very much there. After that, all the chakras lie in the Void as we have shown you in the diagram. So, these channels - now you see, mind is not only here. Mind is also in the spinal cord.To think that thinking is done by mind is all right, but all organs do not act according to the mind. They act according to the chakras and these chakras control the gross plexuses which I have told you. The chakras are subtle things inside the spinal cord. They are not the plexuses but they are the subtle things that control these gross things which we can see with our naked eyes.None of these Kundalini’s books have described this. ‘Not one’ has described this. Imagine the basic things they do not know! Basic things that there are two forms of things, one is the subtle form which is inside the spinal cord and the gross that is outside. Can you imagine? They have written such big-big books and they have not described the basic things about Kundalini.Now you can see with your naked eyes. I will show you how the Kundalini moves. All right. Now, as you see there is a gap here. The gap is much more - I draw it out. You can see it’s a very big, much more, gap. But here I ‘ve shown it in a big way because I want to show the upper part of it.Now when these two channels start working – all right? – then what happens? If you start a machinery there are certain by-products, like the fumes. So, these fumes are to be accumulated somewhere. So, they bloat in the brain like this, like a balloon and one from here like a balloon. They bloat and then they join together. At that time this bone which is a soft bone in the childhood becomes hard and you develop your identity as 'I'. “I Mister God” is the greatest. You become 'I' and that 'Iness' comes to you. Deliberately God has put this thing into you. It’s a very important way – important thing that He has done in a human being. I’ll show you that which is placed here. Isn’t it complicated? I hope you don’t get upset about it, no? [Shri Mataji is drawing on a board] Because, as I said, to put on the switch is all right. You just press it, it works out the way it has worked in you and you think: “How can that be so easy?” It’s not easy! It’s all built in in you. It’s all there! And it works because I know the job. Now this is the brain of a man. What is the specialty of a brain of a man and an animal is that man reaches this apex, not the animals. Animals always have a flat [brain]. This apex is reached, why? Because this is the apex which one has to break through there. So, the ego and superego when they make a balloon - now I must tell you the difference between ego and superego maybe some of you may not be knowing. Ego is when the mother is, say, nursing the child. The child is in a complete joy. Then the mother removes the child from one side and puts him to the other side. He doesn’t like it. So, he comes up with his ego, “Why is it?” He gets very angry. So, the mother says, “Don’t!” Like that. So, his superego receives it, “Be poise now.”Ego is that by which we try to do something, by which we are aggressors, we plan for future, that’s the same thing. Is the ego that comes out of the pre-conscious mind by which we plan for future, “I must do this. ‘I’ am doing this”, and the another is the superego in which I receive it, “Oh, I should not have done it. It’s wrong.” The conditioning. Or some Guru comes and says, “All right, come and bow to me. All right.” Superego.So, the bowing of that is superego, asserting of that is ego. So, where should man go? You might say, “Either, Mataji, you become egoistical or you become a dormant personality, absolutely a dwarf. Now where do you want us to go and why God has made us like that?”[Laughter]He has made you like this, that with this mechanism you start using your freedom. And balance them so nicely in between that there is a space left and you come out.Without using all these instruments properly, your human awareness has not reached that state where you can understand His working. For example, at the time of Christ, imagine to those fishermen how could you talk about Kundalini? Was that possible? Even talking about Kundalini in these days to such learned people is a difficult task. So, in those days, to talk to the fishermen was an impossible thing. And those days, we had only fishermen who could come to Christ. None of these College [inaudible] would go to Christ at all, you see, so that was a problem. But now the awareness has come to this stage that ego and superego is balanced and when it is balanced there is a space in between and then the Kundalini which is the residual force here -that I will tell you later how it comes a residual force. Now, here is the brain. [Shri Mataji is drawing]All right. This thing flows into this one. This one flows into this one. My drawing is the same as God has made this creation, same as my own work. All right. So, this, you see, this is the Mooladhara Chakra here. Cha-kra. And this is the Mooladhara, the triangular bone in which the Kundalini is placed. Now, this part of it, you see, comes inside and settles down. When the child is in the fetus stage, then only the Kundalini, or you can say this force, comes in. Now what is this force? Is known as Mahalakshmi force which comes through the sushumna.Now, this is the force of evolution.This is the force of existence. And this is the force of creation. This is the one which we call as the Mana in Sanskrit language. This is the mana, not mind! There’s a confusion between English style and English – uh, Sanskrit. This is the Mana and this one is the Prana, you see, and Yoga means when Mana and Prana meet in the centre, they say Yoga can be achieved.This is 'Ha' and this is 'Tha'. 'Ha' and this is 'Tha'. This is Hatha Yoga. Or, 'Ha' means Surya, means Sun. 'Tha' means Moon. This is the sunlight and this is the moonlight.Ha-tha Yoga. Then they tell you big stories about Hatha Yoga. You’d better get a book of Patanjali itself and read it and don’t listen to them. Now Hatha Yoga is a way of climbing up in Agnya. Hanging there, there are two walls here. Put one foot here and one foot there and go on crossing. Again, you come down. Again, you come down. Then you go up like that, up to this point. From here you get into your ego sometimes, superego sometimes. Then sometimes by chance, with great luck, if you could go into this way your attention – I means this is a very hazardous thing – then you penetrate through this, all right? This is the Agnya Chakra.And then you get in here and hang over here for some time. [Laughter] Then sometimes the grace of the Mother comes in and then you may get your Realization.But by doing this exercise, you are a strong personality. And moreover, you have done your chivalry, so you are a great person too.But this takes sometimes, Johan [unsure] he was telling Me that he has taken twenty-one thousand years since when he was a frog. [Laughter]You see and he’s still staying in the water. He’s the same as John the Baptist. Twenty-one thousand years! So, when he met Christ he must have been nineteen thousand years. You see that is what it is.Now ours is a simple method, all right? That is Shri Mataji’s method, all right.You see this Kundalini is here and She’s my part, She’s my own. As soon as you face Me with your hands like this, through this, you see, these are the hands, you see, hands are coming out, say about this point here, your hands – hands are small here . Through the hands, the invitation of divine vibrations flow in. They go inside. First of all, they inform Ganesha. First of all, they inform Ganesha that, “It’s the Mother sitting here.” You’ll be amazed if you are facing Me, you cannot have any sex feelings. Try it. You cannot. It’s closed. This door is closed because it’s your Mother sitting here and have some shame about it. This door is closed and Ganesha is fully established.If you try and do any such thing then it’s a very much punishing style. It punishes you very badly. And that’s why you be careful about this gentleman Shri Ganesha. He is one of the most dynamic as well as a very sensitive deity.Those now who teach you to pay attention to Mooladhara Chakra and raise it towards some deity or mandala or anything are committing sin themselves. But they are then putting you into terrible sin.Spirituality has nothing to do with your sex. Nothing whatsoever. Whether you are impotent or potent or a girl or a woman or a man or anything! You can get Realization. But if you are using your sex for such purposes, very difficult. Because that is the basic point and then, you see, Ganesha first is to be satisfied. That’s why in the Indian mythology or in Indian life or in Indian form, first of all, they praise Ganesha because we must first of all create the holiness.He is the embodiment of holiness. He is the one who came to us as Christ on this earth. He is celibacy. And you, who have known Christianity, why should you accept these horrible, dirty, lusty? I don’t know. I don’t have, you know, such words what to use. But they are monsters and they’ve advised that you should do sex in the name of God. This is what this point to begin with – first thing you have to do is to establish here because this is the main person who guaranties, "All right, he is the best. He’s all right". This is the first certificate you must have to enter into the Kingdom of God, is Ganesha. Throughout He is there to guide you, but main basically there.People don’t like it when I tell them. But I have to tell you the truth whether you like it or not. You must have sane ideas about sex. Because of ruination of this chakra in the Western countries, it is very difficult for Western seekers.Apart from that, these gurus have done-they themselves have jumped into it. Why do you need a guru for that? After all, you have reached to the end of everything. And that’s why all kinds of diseases are coming up. It is so unnatural that your body reacts against it. Impotency develops, bad relationship with everyone and human beings become extremely sensitive. I mean, even the slight thing you do, people feel bad. You go on this way you feel bad, you go that way, you feel bad.On the other hand, a person becomes so shaky he doesn’t know which way to walk, “If he wears this kind of a dress, will they like it? If I take it like this, will they like it?” I mean all the time a person is trying to please the - another person. Never trying to think, “Where am I pleasing my Self? Or not?” Because my Self is first of all sweeting you. A very major part of your Self is here because you must look nice for other men to look at you or other women to look at you, that is the first criteria. In this shape, if you’re handsome, you are handsome, if you are not you are not. What does it matter? You are saints and you are seeking God. He has created you. First thing is holiness and holiness and holiness. Even hundred times, hundred and eight times is holiness that is needed in us to begin with. So, establish your Self there at the holiness.And you have had. Most of you have had heard about Christ. And even then, the way you have denied Him, this is the sign is of the too much of activity of this side. Too much of activity of the right-hand side, of the Surya Nadi is that, "I’m doing this. I’m doing that. We must be competent. We must do this work. We must do that work. And we must show on, want and earn so much money. And if the wife is not earning, she’s a useless thing, everybody laughs at her, but if she’s a carrier girl, she’s great because she’s earning money". All this is due to the activity of the right-hand side. This is all activity of the right- hand side going beyond all limits. And you suppress this part. All imperialism, all despotic, everything comes to this point. This is the Rajasa there. ‘Rajasa’ means there are three moods. This the Tamo Guna, this is the Rajo Guna, this is the Satwa Guna. So, by doing this what happens? You press the superego so much there is no balance and you start asserting your ego without knowing about it. The part about your ego is that if you suffer from ego, you will never know you are suffering. People even say like that, “I’m never egoistical, you see!” All they will say like that, “I’m never egoistical.” They’ll hit you hard, “Oh, I never boast about myself.” They’re like that. They say, “We never want to praise him.” They go on praising him. They start like this, “I’m not going to speak much.” They speak honestly! [Laughter]So, this is what it is. There is no balance. We go on, we go on creating things. And in this we go so mad, we forget every kind of balance that has to be. For example, now we start judging ourselves by the things we produce. Out of proportion through the Mother Earth productions we start producing such a lot, “And you must have machines to produce. Thousands of things we produce”.If you go in a house you feel, “Oh, God! Where have we come? To a junk house or what?” Something dropping from your head and you don’t know where to put them-where to put them. Now all this built up a lot.So, people like you came in and you said that, “This is all junk. Throw it away and let us become hippies”. So, you went out with others! [Laughter]From this end to this end, from this extreme to this extreme. Now here, on the superego side, all indulgences, all this drinking, going to the subconscious, seeing hallucinations. And then also what else? Drugs, drugs. And then also living just like pigs, even worse than that. This is self-destroying. This is destroying others and this is self-destroying. This is another style started, self-destroying.You live in such conditions that the whole body becomes absolutely dead and you talk of death all the time and then you start using spirits also. Death, death, death everything.This is death and this is life, you can say. But not the consciousness, is in the center. Then the Hatha Yoga means this one, 'Ha' in the abnormal way that people think of. This is not. This is the balance of both, is Ha-Tha Yoga. But normally, people what do they do, these people who are on this side? They will go to the runaway extreme of these people, you see, they don’t want all this. So, what they do? They will go on to the other extreme of this. And what is the other extreme of this is, “Give up materialism. Give up this.”And then you become a horrid personality. They’re so hot-tempered. These people try to control, you see, their sex, they will not marry, they will not have faith, they will drink urine. They will do all kind of nonsensical things!Why should they drink urine? I can’t understand. You see, they drink urine, they don’t understand this simple thing: whatever is thrown away by body why should we drink? Our body knows better than we do! And then do – then they do all kind of nonsensical things also like hanging themselves, you see, upside down and some of them running for miles together. And some of them doing exercises of the extreme type and oh God! They are very hot-tempered, dried people absolutely because the sunrise makes them completely mad. The Prana here, you’ll be surprised, acts on the heart because heart has to balance this. So, what happens, all these people suffer from a stone-heart. They have a heart of a stone. They don’t believe in any love business, nothing. Wife, they will not see. They’ll have nothing to do. Only one person who has gone this way was Buddha but he was born long time back as I told you to Rama and Sita. So, he could do that way. And the one who is the divine personality who moves on this, is the Hanumana. So, Buddha came this way and settled down here. Mahavira came this way and settled down here. But they forgot that they did not come this way at all. They came this way and they were absolutely tired, they were sleeping and suddenly they came by the same route as you all have come. Because the Kundalini is here [in the centre] so how can she come this way or that way? Kundalini being here she cannot go to the left or the right at all. When they have said ‘Hatha Yoga’ what they did was to use the Kundalini. Gradually they pulled her from this side to this side. Again, from this side to this side. Again, in the center only. It has to come by sushumna, there is no other way. Kundalini does not rise by any other way but sushumna itself.But the reactions can be felt on these. Supposing you upset Ganesha: when he gets upset, you get heated. Both centres completely heated and their heat is communicated on both the sides. Sometimes even you will find blisters coming out to your hands. People get blisters.This Rajneesh, his one disciple who came to us- what’s his name, it’s in the book, 'Gijere, Gijere'. He had all over the blisters. All over the blisters. And then he told Me, "Mataji, cure me, do anything". And he gave it in writing, everything he published in the papers. Then Rajneesh people gave him ten thousand rupees to please him, to come back again and putting the dress. This is what it is. Is it money? I don’t know what is it that makes people so much mad after money? They go to him to seek God. And then they become so materialistic that they don’t mind having any trouble in the body, just to advertise for it. First, he gave money to some women that, “You become naked when I’m giving lecture.” So, they all started. Just like the all manipulation of these – what you call, what you had these – what you had? These singers, four of them who started singing first of all?Sahaja Yogis: Beatles.Shri Mataji: Beatles! They started the same way, you see. They paid and made some women to get drunk and then they started singing. So, these women started reacting to that. And then they gave drugs and all that, I mean it was all the manager, the Beatles’ own uncle, you see, one of them, the one, the manager’s brother, I would say. Not the uncle but the manager’s brother was on my ship when I was with pilot [unsure] and he told Me the story. That’s how they managed and now everybody’s like mad, you know. It goes into everybody’s head that when somebody’s singing you must go mad like that. What is the need? If there’s something inside then there is no need to go outside like that. Inside whatever is happening should happen, not outside. They think unless and until you go do it in the full gusto, it will have no effect on this. So, this is what it is. That it’s due to the over-activity of this and the extreme movement of this side. So, now there are seven channels on this side and seven channels on this side. By these seven channels you are made to pass like resonance, you see. You move from here to here, to here to here to seven channels. Once you go to the seventh channel, you are on the last one, then you are thrown into the Hell here.Same here are seven channels. You are given chances and chances and chances. But if you don’t listen then to the seventh channel, you go to the Hell again. So, all of them are settled down here, down below the Hell. There are seven Hells also.All right, I need not tell you but Mahavira has described them very well because he went through superego. He went into Hell. Even Buddha has described it. Worst is Mahavira’s description. And if you read them, for three days you won’t eat any food. It’s horrid. But it is a fact, what He’s told you is a fact. Now this is – this is the Kundalini that is going to rise from here to here. This is the gap. These are like three ladders. But this can only go this way. So, this ladder is useless for this and this ladder is useless. But because of these ladders they have a loop on this one and a loop from here? And these chakras can be completely destroyed if their activity on these are more. Do you understand now?Like this, as I told you, like this is the central part and from here one comes as a loop, another comes from here. Now if they go on moving too much, they may come out like that and they become on their own and that is how cancer settles in, malignancy.The people who are very egoistical can also become malignant by temperament, because they forget that they are a part and parcel of the vast Being. They are just a cell in the body of that vast Personality and they cannot on their own start working. They have to relate themselves to Him. But this is only possible if this Kundalini rises and comes out and enters into the subtle Being which is around you. And this has to happen, there is no way out. Any religion, anything, any saint has to happen because this is the primule which sprouts in the seed and which has to come up, go up and open here. It’s a very simple thing because as soon as I – they see Me they know I’m there because this is awareness which understands, thinks, cooperates. There’s a telecommunication between your Kundalini and mine. I put my force into your Kundalini. I take it on My Kundalini and take it up. This is the first Kundalini, as the Adi Kundalini, you call it. And you have the secondly Kundalinis. And when they see Me then they are assured that they can come up. And that’s how the Kundalini comes up. But this could not be done earlier because this was not completed. But when it was just to be completed what human beings did was to press this very hard and before I could start off this, the pressing became so hard - [cut in the audio] This way. So, now we have two extremes. We have very egoistical people on this side or we have the other type who are destroying themselves every moment by every chance. And to help them, we have very egoistical monsters who have come from the Supraconscious.Beyond this is the supraconscious and beyond this is the Collective Subconscious. From that and from this, Collective Supraconscious and Collective Subconscious they are. From there you are getting spirits who are entering into your psyche through your ego and superego and they are working out for you. Through your eyes, through your nose, through your mouth, through your ears, they can enter through anything, through your Agnya. They enter inside and go into these and they start giving you ideas. Now as you had asked Me the question that with these things like chanting the mantras as that I told you before also, you say some funny name given to somebody. All right. You give that name to someone who is a devil, genius – absolutely genius evil – and that evil genius is given a name, say of ‘Rama’, all right? You can do if you have no conscious, if you have no fear of God, if you are just a rakshasa, as they call it, a monster of the worst type, you can give this name to anyone. So, you give this name to someone like that. And then they tell you in your ears, “Call the name of ‘Rama’.” All right?You start calling the name of ‘Rama’. Immediately what happens the actual place of Rama which is the right side of the Heart Chakra, Rama slips off there. He’s so angry with you for this nonsense that, “Why did you go to such a horrid fellow? Why did you not use your brains fully? Why did you go to him? Why did you deny God and why did you accept him?”So, Rama slips off. Once He slips off somebody else comes in and that is this evil genius who is called as ‘Rama’. He comes in and once he comes in, he starts working in your right-side Heart. Now what is it? It’s just opposition of Rama! What was Rama? Rama was a very obedient son. First of all, you become extremely disobedient to your parents. Or else maybe, that you have no feelings for your children as a father. You may go into abortions without any difficulties. Some girl you will sleep with, “She has conceived? It’s alright, go into abortion.” [Inaudible] No feelings as a father. No value for the life of your children. That develops with this kind of a chanting.Then He was a man known for his maryada, means for his boundaries: how far to go, how far to rule, how to look after a wife, how to look after the country, how to- He was the person who is known as Maryada Purushottama, means, “Highest among all the human beings.” He is the ideal for his boundaries.Now if you say, “a boundary” then they say, “What about liberation?” Naturally you think liberation is nothing but abandonment.Now, if there is a pilot sitting here, alright? Supposing you have to build an aeroplane, if you do not put it into certain boundaries, then when it goes high up in the air everything will go helter-skelter. All liberated nicely! [laughter] And nothing will be left out of that liberated soul. So, there are certain boundaries which we have to put for ourselves as human beings with our wisdom and understanding. That was done by Rama and that’s why those who catch on the right-hand side must know that this is the – something lacking in your character has come to them. Perhaps it might be lacking beforehand and might be it has been added up by this fellow because he must have read your mind and seen, “Oh, there’s little bit in him, little revolt against the father and the mother. All right, put it into him.” Then he starts thinking, “Oh, my father, you see, he’s a horrid. he’s this, he’s that.” And there was a boy, as I told you, Jean [?] who came to Me and he told Me, “I now was wanting to kill my father and mother, both” when he was chanting the mantra. And when he could not kill the father and the mother then he started killing himself. And when I asked the monster sitting on him, he told Me that they want more people in the subconscious or the supraconscious area, so that they can bring them come into the souls. So, they want them to die.See this. Death, I don’t mind. Even if somebody dies, they can be born again. There’s no problem because you don’t die. But this is not death: this is enslavement by these people. When you die you go into ‘their’ realm and they use ‘you’ for this purpose. And then you cannot get out of it, because when you are living then it’s possible but if you are dead you are absolutely under their hands. So, many of them that are into your mind they ask Me for Moksha. They say that, “You promised us that you will liberate us from these horrible people” or “You’ll give us Realization.” And that’s why some of the very horrid ones also get Realization for a second. That’s all. Because I have promised that. But then they don’t come further, they just give up. Because they are – because I have promised them so I just do it. But if you have to continue, then you have to respect yourself and to understand that you are saints. You have been seeking and you cannot be frivolous about it. You cannot be vain about it. But you have to come to it with great humility and receiving power. The more you try to receive it, the better it is for you. Then you will go further and further with it. Because you must know you have already been attacked, you have already been possessed, you are already under somebody’s enslavement. You must know all of you are. Sooner you see the better. There I’m happy Bogdan suffers but he sees at least. If you start seeing them attacking you it will be better than to be attacked and just numbed, you don’t know, you feel very happy. You are numbed like drunken people. Better to be aware of the pain than to be deadened so that you do not know if something is coming into you. Because you are a special fibre and special people. So, be careful about this. Because your subconscious and your pre-conscious, both have suffered quite a lot of damages. Not so much in previous lives as in this short life that you have made [inaudible] with the help of these horrid people. You have to come very positive into this and to understand that you have to cure. But if you are still identified with them it’s better that you spare Me at least and the Sahaja Yogis.You have to understand that it’s going to be tremendous task for all of us to work it out. You know how difficult it is. Then, say, you have seen how we were doing it. Tomorrow when you will be Realized, you will know that you will have to do the same thing as these people have been breaking their heads, beating here, beating there and the needles and pain, and needles and all kinds of screwing up that was going on in their heads and things. The way they were trying to push your Kundalini, it was so difficult you have seen it yourself. And which you will have to do yourself and you will be giving it to others. So, you must understand you must cooperate all. And be wise about it. Don’t come into the charm of these people. They have given you nothing so far except for emptying your purses and making them light. They have nothing to give. I have to warn you because most of you have been to such places. In India, when I started my work, I never talked about it for three years. But then we got some groups which were going outside and we had a terrible time. And those who were Realized did not know why it was happening like this. And I had to tell them about this that exists. I never told them. You’ll be surprised if you read – if you hear my first lecture in America, I never mentioned about these people. Nor did I mention about the spirits that are within us but they are. And that’s how they have brought such a confusion, such a confusion! It was never that bad, you see. In the Gita, Krishna has said: "Paritranaya sadhunam vinashaya ca duskrutam" [Gita IV; 8], meaning: "I have come again and again on this earth to destroy the monsters or the dushtas or the cruel forces, satanic forces and to give protection to the saints."But here the saints are confused with them. I mean this Kali Yuga is terrible! Where are the saints? I find the saint has got something sitting on his head. And it’s so delicately woven, it’s very difficult to take it out. Unless and until you all cooperate with Me it’s going to be very difficult to resolve. But once some number of yours is nicely done and coming up then you will see it will work much faster. Much faster, I’m sure of it. The same thing happened in India. For two years – imagine – twelve people I was working on. And twelve people got Realization out of twenty-five. After two years! So, it’s much better now. And you get it because you are saints. You get it that fast. But you are shifty people. It doesn’t stay. With Indians they take time, but it stays because their Chakras are all right. But they are little – not yet seeking. You were seeking but you went into the cut in your seeking. All these broken bones have to be put right, all these broken hearts to be brought right. And you have to just cooperate and understand that it is all for your good. Denying is the easiest thing. So, don’t deny. You all have experienced, most of you has the experience of vibrations and you can see there are some people who are here who can feel your vibrations and can tell about it. You can also get it and you can be also of the same type and of a much higher type if you little bit cooperate with Me and work it out. And don’t get disgusted with yourself. One day, indeed it will be like this, next day it will be like that. Doesn’t matter. In any case, you are progressing. So, don’t get upset. I know why you are upset, but that we’ll look after. All right? So, just be patient with yourself. You have to be patient because you have had a problem. [Cut in the audio] How did they accept this horrible Mahesh Yogi? How? Why did you accept him? Bending your head before him, why did you do it? Before all these gurus? There’s another one Pia, who came from Sweden-Sahaj Yogi: Denmark.Shri Mataji: Denmark. She tells Me, “I can’t accept you as Mother.” I said, “What? What did you do with the Lama?” With that Lama, every day she had to go to him and bow before him one thousand and one time. And she did it for one month. And she wouldn’t accept Me, you see, when I said [inaudible], because it’s difficult to accept the truth.One thousand and one time she had to do, every day she did. And she couldn’t accept Me so, she went away. Because there was another lama sitting there, I think, in her head. And she’s a gone case. Now she’s having a very bad time but she’s gone. But thank God, sometimes, you see, we have to thank because such horrible people if they enter into us, they trouble us a lot also, aren’t’ they? They divert your attention, they take away so much of your time discussing, arguing, arguing, [inaudible] How can you argue it out? This is a happening. You cannot argue it out.Still, I’m quite good at arguments and answering your questions. I’m quite good. I’ve learned how to defeat you. And I’ve too much patience. But why do you want to waste your time? Better have it. Better have it. Best thing is to get the blessing soon, as soon as possible. I’m anxious to give you, anxious to do it. What’s the use of talking about food? Better have it. Enjoy it! The whole world is created for your enjoyment, for your blessings. I know you have spoiled yourself, doesn’t matter. I’ll wash you completely. Everything I will do for you but cooperate with Me, don’t waste your time. Four years we took to create these seven people. Seven. Four years because you must know you are the first in this Western world to be that steady. Many things can be done but only one thing I can’t do, is to force you to meditate. How many people have had nimbus [lemons] with them?So, any questions? Of course. Any questions? Then we can have food and then I’ll see their Kundalini. That is the last.How many of you had nimbus – no lemons? Hold your hands. Have you thrown? Are you better now? Getting –Sahaja Yogi: After I got one, I feel a space out.Shri Mataji: Spaced out. That’s it! Spacing out is the point. You never felt that before.Sahaja Yogi: No.Shri Mataji: That’s it. Are you feeling any cool in the hand? How is it? David?David: He just gave up smoking in no time.Shri Mataji: Hum?David: He just gave up smoking in no time.Shri Mataji: Smoking.Sahaja Yogi: He got a very strong experience of nausea and he just [inaudible]Shri Mataji: These are my tricks, you know? I stop your smoking.Sahaja Yogi: That’s how.Shri Mataji: Yes, I will. Because once you start doing that then I have to do something, isn’t it, to stop it. The smoking has to be stopped because it’s very bad and Krishna doesn’t like it at all. It’s very bad for the Vishuddhi Chakra and for the stomach. It’s very easy to stop. Very easy. You will be surprised within one year’s time you’ll be surprised how much you’ll do things and how you’ll give up these things. Except for few things you won’t give up which I’m going to tell to very few people. [Laughter] [Shri Mataji claps her hands]Ha! Better now, better, is he? Better? How are you David, mister David?Sahaja Yogi: I’m pleased to be here tonight.Shri Mataji: Hum?David: He’s pleased to be here tonight. Shri Mataji: Is it? But that’s not sufficient. That’s very diplomatic. What about your Agnya Chakra?Sahaja Yogi: Well, it doesn’t do what it’s used to do when I was hanging on to you. I think it is still-Shri Mataji: Pain? Pain is there?Sahaja Yogi: No pain, no.Shri Mataji: No pain at all. Pain is gone, completely.Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: All right. Are you putting your eyes on the ground while walking on the roads? Or you’re looking at the girls?Sahaja Yogi: I haven’t been putting my eyes on the ground.Shri Mataji: You should.Sahaja Yogi: Oh.Shri Mataji: Put your eyes because ground, you know, the Mother Earth she takes away all the heat from the eyes, all right? Very necessary. Ganesha is made out of Mother Earth and if you put your eyes to the ground, she gives you that soothing feeling. It’s very good.Say, for example, in the morning time – of course winter staying here is very cold but otherwise – if you, during summertime without wearing any shoes or anything if you walk on the grass, it’s very good for the eyes. Very good. And taking, you see, cool bath in this part is very good during summertime. Not winter here because winter is very severe and cold is also bad. But a day when there is quite hot, it’s so hot you can bear it. Then you should do it. It’s very good for the eyes.There are many things which are good for eyes. But the best thing is to pay no attention to anybody’s eyes because you catch from everybody’s eyes. Here every man like a, you see, watch tower is going on. What are you looking at? Where are you looking? Where are you going? Watching whom? It’s two attitudes. One is, "How many are looking at me" and "How many I have to look at". It’s a mad world. It’s such a loss of energy. Eyes have nothing to do with sex. It’s perversion. Absolutely perversion. That’s why Christ has very clearly said that, “I’m not talking of adultery but I’m talking about eyes that are adulterous.” We should not have adulterous eyes. [Matthew 5:27-28; Peter 2:14] Eyes are very important. You see, they are on the Agnya Chakra. They are the windows. See, from the eyes it should be only going, nothing coming. It should be so, such a clear eye that from the eyes it’s only going to others. Absolutely it should be clear. Nothing taking in. Then it’s all right, you can look at people. Even I don’t look at people because sometimes I think that they might faint or they might get a Kundalini suddenly up and all that. That’s why I’m little bit worried about that might happen with Me, because so much love also very few people can take in, you see.Eyes should be absolutely clear, going outward, not receiving anything into the eyes from others because what you receive is dirt and filth. This is how you receive all the spirits from the eyes and they go into yourself. Most of these gurus touch your Agnya and put the spirits into it through this. That’s why, you see, Mohammad Sahib said, “Never bend this before anybody else.” If you have bent this before anybody else, but a person who is really an authority then all your – this is the sign of your human - of you being a human being. And when you bend this before anybody else, then they hit you hard and they come into you and they work it out. That’s enough for everyone, I think. Be silent. How are you now Henri [unsure]? Better?Sahaja Yogi: Hum. Terrible.Shri Mataji: Alex is much better now. See how he was, poor thing, that Lama of [inaudible] he has tortured him completely. He is supposed to be a Lama and the things he did to his wife, it’s terrible! It’s all horrible people. Beat them with shoes and throw them away in the sea! They want your women, they want your money, they want everything. They are looters. Better? How are you? Now don’t start condemning yourself too much. You are not to condemn yourself. Love yourself, respect yourself. You must respect. Not to condemn but love and respect because you are the- the chosen ones. You are chosen. Not to condemn. Forget the past, finished! Forget it. Now, don’t think about all the things, “I did this in nineteen hundred and nine.” [Laughter]That’s [inaudible]! I do my duty isn’t it? [Laughter]And that’s why you don’t have any questions.[Laughter]Ah! Don’t do all that. It’s good for nothing. Useless things. Finished is finished. Past is past. Is lost. And future doesn’t exist. So, enjoy the present. The present you must enjoy. The present is most enjoyable. Hum. Good. Myriam, what do you say? Better?Myriam is a born Realized person. Since she has advantages over you that she doesn’t catch much. And if she catches things, she throws away in no time. We have another one you have seen is Kevin. They’re many people in this world, there are many people who have – who are born Realized now. And many children are born Realized, many children. I mean, so many of them that you’ll be surprised! Now, most of the children we see now are born Realized. They are all coming down great people, then but you are the foundation. They are all going to come down to Sahaja Yoga. All of them are going to help us within ten years, you’ll see they’ll be all standing there. They all know about Kundalini.For example, now, Kevin, you don’t have to tell him. He knows everything about Kundalini, Kundalini, everything, he will tell you about. First time he came to see Me, he knew everything about Me.And I went up and he said, “How did She go up?” She said, “Why? She went by staircase.” He said, “But where is the red carpet? You must spread some nice carpet for God. What do you think you are? And what She is? You’ve done nothing?” Like that, you see. He knows all about Me, he knows all about Kundalini. He is born like that.My own grand-children are like that, Realized. And when they were very young about six months age, two grand-daughters, they used to sleep with Me in the night. They would get up in the morning and start sucking my feet, just fallen there for half an hour. And their mother would come and say, “What? What are they doing, Mommy? I can’t understand. What are they doing to you?” Because they could feel it.They talk like that. They have seen Me. My grand-daughters have seen Me. They talk like that. They’ll understand everything. They know about Kundalini. Even a little one which is newly born one, she was hardly, I think, four months or five months, you see, she had just started crawling. So, one of the Sahaja Yogi had come, you see. So, she saw him; she was at my feet. She came down and starting hitting him on his Agnya and his Agnya opened out.They understand Me because it happened to them inside and they know where is the obstruction and they work it out. Only thing you people, all of you, should decide about yourself, to make yourself strong as I said, each one of you. Don’t depend on others. You yourself all know and then it will work out.It’s good now. And what about food? They can have?Then we’ll have a little session of this. Humm, put a bandhan on the liver. Right hand, right hand, all right? She’s come for the first time? You told Me- [Laughter]Sahaja Yogi: She was here before, Mother, but she’s always kept in the background. [Laughter]Shri Mataji: I had never seen her before that’s what I was thinking… Come here, come here. She’s very good. Sit down, sit down, sit down facing that side, you see, facing that side. Look that side. Sit down, sit down properly. Can you sit on your foot? Ha, like that. Sit down.All the machinery starts. All right? [Laughter]Workshop.Now, tell Me. All of you who are Realized, now let’s see. [Inaudible] come along, when you will give, then only it will flow, it’s not going to be given to you free. You have to work it. Come along now. Tell Me.Sahaja Yogini: [Hindi?].Shri Mataji: This is, that’s it. How about – where is My hand? On the Vishuddhi Chakra. Just my hand is there and you are feeling that. She has a problem there. Everybody is getting it on these fingers? Burning? See. What’s wrong with you? You are all right, you can feel it. Come along now. How are you? Feeling it?Sahaja Yogi: I feel she has it on this one.Shri Mataji: Which one? This one you are feeling? Put a bandhan to yourself and see now. Work on your own. They can, at least her [unsure] It just, just increases.Sahaja Yogini: No.Shri Mataji: Just. Just, just. Nothing is going to happen to you. She’s very sweet.Sahaja Yogini: I don’t know if I give bandhan. [Unsure]Shri Mataji: It doesn’t have to. You see, I have done it to men. All right, come here. Hum? It starts working better, all right. Let it be we have… She has fears, you see. Ha, that’s it.What? Agnya?You put your right hand on the heart only. [Tape interruption.] There is God. And also, we know that He is reflected in us, in our heart as Spirit, as Atma, as Self.Now when we know about the three channels that are working within us of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati - the three powers of Ida, Pingala and Sushumna which create the subconscious, pre-conscious and the conscious mind- are working in our consciousness. That means we are conscious of them. We are conscious of our left and right that is Ida and Pingala, sympathetic nervous system. We are not conscious of the parasympathetic.That means that we can increase the rate of our heart, we can increase the rate of our breathing, but we cannot decrease. The decrease or what you call the lowering down of the rate is done by parasympathetic. So, the parasympathetic is active but we are not conscious of it in the sense that we have no control over it. The Spirit that is God which is reflected in us resides in the heart. The manifestation of the Spirit in our heart controls the parasympathetic. But this Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty in our heart, as if in a mirror. And divine love which is the light of God is reflected in us through the reflection of the Spirit as the Unconscious mind. So, within us there is an area about which we are not conscious. That is why it is called as Unconscious. That area lies so far away from our conscious mind that we cannot control it. We are not conscious of it. But it acts through parasympathetic activity. How it acts? I will give you a simile. Supposing there is a power-works somewhere and it is acting through this light over here. You don’t see the power-work or the factory or wherever the power is created. But what you see is the manifestation here and you see the light. But supposing you do not see the light nor the lamp nor the factory but you are affected by it. That is the situation of a human being. A normal human being who is not a Realized soul is not aware of that factory which is God or the light it has got, is not aware of the lamp that he has got in his heart and is also not aware of the light that the lamp is emitting. But it is acting. So, the Unconscious mind is nothing else but the projection of God’s will through the light of divine love.I’m giving this simile again and again which is very good and act, that these two powers that are within us, one on the left, another on the right-hand side are there and we are conscious of them and we use them. Out of them, the right we use it in absolute awareness. Left one we know is used as subconscious mind and, sometimes, if you take drugs or if you do something like that, then you go to your subconscious also. So, you can become aware of the subconscious area also. So, you become – you are aware of the right-hand side already and you are aware of the subconscious sometimes when you try to get aware of it. So, these two powers, that are within us, are all the time vibrating in a wave. And the points at which they meet they create the throb, or you can say the center. Center is created, a Deity is placed but there is no light for us to see or to feel or to be conscious of the Deities.Deities are fast asleep. When the Kundalini rises - now Kundalini is the subconscious [at this stage]. You’ll be surprised that Kundalini is the Mahakali Power. She’s absolutely pure, in the purest form because she’s not used. We can say part of it is used in us, our subconscious. Sort of you have kept some water separately which you have not used so far.So, first of all we use the subconscious water and the pre-conscious water and – but we dirty it, we exhaust it. Then the stored-up power rises and does the last cleansing. But when she rises, she creates a third current. Still that third current when she is rising doesn’t have the light. But when it reaches the Sahasrara and pierces it then it becomes one with the Universal Consciousness. Because what is God is the One who controls the Universal Consciousness. He is the controller of the Universal Consciousness. He emits the light and when this Kundalini rises, it gets that flame on it. So, now all the deities get awakened. Now you may say that, “It is in the heart, Mataji, you are saying. You are saying it is here.” There’s a confusion people think. But actually, it is all-pervading. Say, God is a nucleus, you can say, or a factory which has a light all over and is reflected in the heart. So, when your Kundalini, a particular individual Kundalini touches that, then this light takes place. Then the heart – in the heart the Spirit is ignited or sort of it emits his – it manifests, projects, and his projections are these vibrations.So, through this you know the will of God. Through this you have a dialogue with God and you understand Him, what He wants. And what does He want you to know? There are three qualities of God which you can feel through this.One, what is the truth. You ask any questions. If you are asking for something and if it is in ‘Yes’ then you’ll get too many vibrations. If it is in ‘No’, vibrations will low down. That’s how you can verify what is right, what is wrong, what is the truth, what is not the truth. Now you can know. Nobody has to tell you. You don’t need any clergyman or anybody to certify. It is there. Through your vibrations you can feel it: is this the truth or not? Is it a correct place you have come to or to the wrong person? Then also the various combinations and permutations of these, you see. It is true but still there is a little point which is wrong in you.For example, if you say that Christ was resurrected in person: “Yes, that’s true”. You’ll get more vibrations. But if you see now that if you say, “Is it Mataji the Mother of Christ?”. If you do not accept it, you will not get it on the Sahasrara. It should be on the Sahasrara.[End of tape]

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God and Creation, Caxton Hall, London 1977-11-28 As Gavin has already explained to you that today’s subject is really a very vast subject and one has to pay a concentrated attention to understand the subject. And as he has told you already that it is my subjective knowledge which can be yours also. And you have to verify it only through your vibratory awareness. Because that’s the only awareness that can give you absolute results. Human awareness as I have told you is still incomplete, unless and until you get the vibratory awareness through self-realization in which the Self starts speaking to you, you cannot verify the truth. So that is one of the most essential aspects of subjective knowledge is. Anybody says anything need not believe into it at all. And as I have told you also you don’t have to believe into what I say. But it is not to be denied also because as I told you this is a very subtle subject and one has to be little understanding. Not accepting maybe with some people. But it doesn’t matter. Even if you accept it for a short time, if you don’t like you can give it up later. But don’t be sort of against it. I have spoken on the subject in India in my 8 lectures and here I have to give one lecture. So it’s an ordeal for you. For me it’s a pleasure. I hope you enjoy it. At the very outset, we have to understand that God is what He is. We can only know Him. We cannot mold Him. We cannot make Him according to our own concepts, our own ideas, our own interpretations. God has three powers which are even beyond. The first power He has got beyond Him [unclear] manifestation [unclear], or as I call it, as auras. He has three auras which are beyond Him, and three auras which are in front of Him and He is in between. You see, this language has to be used because you do not understand otherwise. The three powers or three auras that appear behind Him or above Him or beyond Him are first one is eternity. He is eternal. He cannot discontinue to be eternal. He is made like that. That is His nature. That is what He is. He cannot even if He wants to give up that nature of eternity. So He is an eternal being that is beyond. Even if He says, “I’ll give up, it is all nonsense.” He cannot. He has bound Himself by Himself. [unclear] to understand. So He is an eternal being. Secondly, He is infinite. He is infinite and His infinity cannot be challenged. That is His own style. He can, if He wants, to emit His infinite infinity through finite. For example, I will tell you there’s a candle here. The candle is a finite thing [unclear]. But when you light it, then it emits light, it goes to infinity. In the same way, He can put his infinity into a finite being if He wants to or in a being person, but He cannot get out of his infinity. We see the question of Christ people are discussing whether He is an incarnation or not. All incarnations have been made because they are aspects of God. And you go on understanding them, and you go on understanding them, and you go on understanding them, there is no end to it. It is an infinity. They cannot be understood by finite, but His body was a finite thing in which the infinity was expressed. Keep it at that point because it is also beyond your conceptions and beyond your comprehension. It is really beyond. So forget about that part. But we have to talk about God sometime isn’t it. And the third nature is His supremacy. He is supreme. He is beyond every one of us. Everyone that claims to be supreme than God [unclear]. Only He has made human beings supreme. By giving them a supremacy. When He has given supremacy. He must have [unclear]. When he has given you supremacy, He has made you a human being. By giving you supremacy that means he doesn’t interfere with your freedom. He does not. He has promised you freedom and He is going to keep your freedom. These are the three auras of God, which exist but do not manifest. In the Sanskrit language they are called as ‘avyaktas’. Now there are three other aspects which He manifests which are called as ‘vyaktas’, means manifested. The first aspect of Him is that He is. He exists. He’s existed. He is there all the time. This aspect is called as ‘Sthita’ as existence itself. So this aspect gives us the power to exist also. By this power, this universe, all this creation exists. Because He is existence, He can remove all that He has made existed. If He wants He will have the whole of it or He will have nothing of it or some of it. We cannot challenge His existence. He creates as He likes and if He doesn’t like anything he destroys also. The second aspect of God is that He is a creative power. He creates. He has power to create. By which He has created these universes. He has created animals. He has created human beings. He has created all the emotions and everything is created by Him. He is the Creator. These are the aspects of one God I am talking about. Only one, He is only one. And the third aspect He has is the sustenance. He sustains. He sustains by His wisdom. He sustains this universe. Sustenance is achieved by giving you your sustaining powers, [unclear] sustaining power. As I said carbon has four valencies. It has got four hands, four [unclear]. That is the quality that is given to it by God. You are human beings and you have sustenance which is ten in number and has to be maintained through the ten laws, as we call them as ten commandments. So these are the three aspects He expresses and manifests. But He being the complete show, He Himself does not manifest. So what does He do? God does all these things through His powers. All these three powers. So what He does is separate Himself from His power. Like a seed is separated from its own plumule when the seed starts growing or the sprout starts sprouting. In the same manner, He separates His power from Himself and allows the power to work out the situation and He watches the drama. He is the witness. He is just a witness. He is witnessing the drama of His power. This separation is done by Him. We cannot understand, human beings cannot understand how can it be done. He is God. He can put all His [unclear] in that place and He can sit here or He can sit there. He is God. We have to understand that. And how can He separate His power, because we cannot. Like the sun has sunlight, moon has moonlight, in the same manner, God has God’s power. Which we call as divine power. Let us see now how it happens. Now you can see all these things happening in meditation if you know how to do it. But so far you are not to do that. You are not to do that. You have to first become yourself completely. But people have seen it. It is a big problem for scientists to understand certain things like the other day I was watching on the TV that the Sirius has a companion star and they were surprised how could these aboriginals living in Africa could know this. It is not at all difficult. After all, all that knowledge is He. All books are in Him. If you know how to reach your library you can find out everything. Only about I think six years back I said that the whole universe is moving in a spiral way. And the other day Gavin pointed out to me Mother see here even it’s written down. I always said about the companion star with the sun. And today I talked to you about it. But that is not so important to a person like Me, who has come on this earth just to give you salvation and to give you realization, I am not interested in how many stars there are and how many companion stars there are. After all they are just outside the [unclear]. They are just arranging your stage. You are on the stage. It is alright they are fixed. We don’t have to bother about them. What we have to bother is our own realization, our self-actualization. These things are not important. What is horoscope, what are stars and this and that. Of course in short I will tell you how they were created. That is a different point altogether. But that is not so important. Our main objective is to know our sustenance power and our evolutionary power by which we evolve because through sustenance power only God evolves us. First of all we have to know that no analogy can be perfect because we are giving an analogy about something that is perfect by something imperfect. Nothing is as perfect as God is. So one has to just to understand, just to understand, I am just giving you certain analogies. Like I’m saying a seed or a tree. But it is just an analogy for understanding. That is all. As I told you, He is an eternal being. So there is nothing like first He started that and then this thing happened. It’s nothing like that. If something is moving all the time in eternal way, then where do you start? What do you do? You pick up one point and from there you start describing it till you reach another point. This is the only way one can describe. So in the beginning as I say of My lecture, or you can say in the beginning from where we have come to the point, the state of all that is in this world, everything, or creations like this and many creations before and everything, is at a state called as Parabramha. That state is in which everything is dissolved. There are no human beings, there is no creation, there is nothing. We cannot understand also nothing. I give a very simple sort of an understanding of that what is nothing. For example, if it is all dark here in this room, and I am just sitting down. If you see from outside you’ll say there is nothing inside. There is something but there is nothing. You don’t see it. There is nothing as far as you are concerned. And that’s why when you use the word nothing is relating to you and not to God. Supposing He is sitting in the darkness, in complete darkness. He doesn’t know whom to communicate what He is. He doesn’t reflect Himself at all. He is just sitting without any image. If you see in the sky, you do not find that there are sun’s rays separating like that. You never see that. But supposing there is a jet plane passing through. You immediately see a streak of fumes being reflected by the same sun’s rays and you will say yes these is sun’s rays we can see. So unless and until there is a reflector you cannot see. He has to create a reflector and for creating the reflector He separates His own energy. He must have His expression. So He creates light within Himself and that light is reflected on a reflector. And the reflector is this universe. You are the best reflectors He has produced so far. Human beings on this Earth. You may talk of any other planet or anything, nobody has been produced as well as you have been produced. And you have achieved that state that now you can really feel His eternal being. You can see Him. You are at that stage. You are the best reflector He has produced, just to reflect Himself, to communicate Himself, to have a rapport. So in the beginning when He was nothing He was not reflecting. We can say that there was entropy, in the scientific language we can say, where there was no movement. He was just sleeping. When a person is sleeping he is not into activity. But when He wakes up He goes into activity, again He sleeps. He is an eternal thing that is happening. That he sleeps, then he gets up, works and again He sleeps. In the same way if you can think of somebody who is asleep in a Parabramha state and when He gets up He is active. So first of all when He is the Parabramha state, now what does He do? At the Parabramha state what He does is to concentrate Himself onto one point. He takes a desire in His mind that He has to do it. So He concentrates onto one point. And that’s known as the Adi-Bindu. Adi means primordial. That is the first, Bindu means the point. He makes Himself into a first point and that is known as Adi-Bindu. [unclear] Now, this concentrated form of Parabramha, Para means beyond, is beyond. The last stage you can say [unclear]. Becomes a small spot, a small concentrated point. When He awakens, when He awakens and He starts pulsating. His waves from His body start moving, from His being they start moving out, and these waves go round. They form a round circle. At the periphery all these waves and what are these waves are nothing but His divine power. His divine power starts oozing out and settles down on the periphery of the circle. This circle is called as Adi Valaya is the primordial circle. Primordial circle. So the first movement is this wave of God’s divine power and the second is round. It settles down in a round way. When the whole thing is oozed out what remains is a dot and a circle. Now His power has to manifest. It does not. He does not. So He remains as the witness as the Lord God Almighty, and His power, in which His power is flowing. If you think of a seed in a tree, seed’s power is [unclear]. His power now decides to create because of His desire. There is no difference between the two. We cannot understand two persons having such a oneness. At the most we can say sunlight and sun. But they are not living beings but we cannot think of a living being having that much of a unison. [unclear] they call it as Kalp-Nirvaya because they are supposed to be perfect but when you see them you will say it is just the opposite. You should never have used this. But it is. This power is called as the Shakti. As the power. As the Adi-Shakti is the primordial power, is the primordial Mother and He is the primordial Father. Is the abstract side I am talking about. So the primordial Mother decides not yet so much decision taken place. You also know that you are made in His image, so that She takes time to decide whether I should to do this or not. Whether I should manifest or not. But she collects Herself, puts Her courage together and She forms into another Bindu which is known as Bindu only. First Adi Bindu is the God and His power together and the second becomes another Bindu so we have two Bindus now. So we have two Bindus which combine in a way as if they are related to each other like a object and its reflection. But it is much more than that because it has the same power as the first one had. So it is the power of God which becomes into another Bindu. Now this Bindu starts emitting its own powers. Her powers are different from that of the first one. For example, the seed does not have fragrance but the flower has. Her powers are different because She is for manifesting and He is for witnessing. So, the lady of the house does all the job and the man is just watching the play. But He is the person who is watching. He is the spectator so He is the last word for all this show. If He does not like the show that is created by the Primordial Mother, He can put it off. So He is the master. And if He says, “I don’t like it.” It’s off. If He says, “All right go on.” It is carried on. So the Primordial Mother takes up the job of manifesting Herself with Her own power which we can call as Primordial Mother’s power, as the divine power. But still it is not over. There is a little protocol about it. She must have the qualities of Her husband which He bestows upon Her. And as Her acceptance of that She garlands Him. You see, Sanskrit language is very symbolic. So She garlands Him as they say or we can say She goes round Him. When you have to go round another point from one point, what happens, the shortest distance has to be in this way which you call as an ellipse. In the Sanskrit language it is known as pradakshina. [unclear] pradakshina. Now this style of movement changes it completely the nature of the Primordial Mother. If you are in on a circle, you are moving on and on and on and on it is an eternal movement. But once you start in this manner, you see the infinity is bestowed upon. So She gets Herself finiteness. She gets into Herself finiteness. This movement is the first movement of the Primordial Mother Adi Shakti. And is a very important movement for every consideration of sahaja yoga. Later on which you will see why we move our hand this way and why that way. Why the aura of a human being is in that way. Why the aura of a flame is that way because this the movement of manifestation. First movement is this way which looks like an ellipse or we can call it as pradakshina. With this movement She sort of surrenders to Him. Now after surrendering what happens. Another stage comes in. Still She is not very much anxious to manifest without Her master being with Her. She says, “All alone how can I do it?” This is the stage called as lasya. It is a very beautiful description. See they have used here and there as husband and wife because according to them that is the nearest relationship between the two. Absolute oneness and unison. So the lasya stage what does happen. [unclear]. And this movement of the parabola or ellipse is being maintained as it is. Now she moves toward the Parameshwara or the one who is the witness part, to the God that they call God Almighty. She moves towards God Almighty in the way I have shown here and by that movement both the sides are round because She is a finite being. Out of which Shiva the Maha, Sadashiva aspect of witnessing the what you call God Almighty. He gets up. He gets up and He [unclear]. And when He moves even closer [unclear]. This round thing that is here, this round one, it opens out and goes into two halves and this is what [unclear]. Now when Shiva gets out of that parabola or that ellipse, that is the time a sound is made. The sound is ‘AA’. The second sound is ‘OO’ and the third one when it goes up and they start with ‘MA’. So we get three sounds ‘AA’, ‘OO’, ‘MA’. All these put together make ‘Aum’. In the Devanagari whatever you say [unclear]. In the same way when you say ‘AA’, ‘OO’, ‘MA’, these three words together and that is how [unclear]. But this is how you see it here, if you can see on your forehead you see it written here that this is not pertaining to any religion or a philosophy or anything. This is called as the first as the Word as they say or as the [unclear] as they say in the Quran, or the first primordial word is ‘Aum’. It has nothing to do with any Indian philosopher or anything, only thing is that in India people had so much time that they went deep into it and found out this. And that [unclear] all these things but it is not [unclear] people at that time [unclear] which you can see that it is the first, first sound and this first sound is the announcement of the power of Mother which is primordial, which is the vibrations of the Primordial Mother. The vibrations that we feel as the pranava, which has got three: one, two, three. You can see the three half circles ‘AA’, ‘OO’, ‘MA’ and on top is Her [unclear]. This is the abstract way how it was created first. It took the form from abstract to this form. So the whole universe was created in three stages. The first stage was this one, it was called as [unclear]. When the deities in [unclear] were created which had ‘AA’, ‘OO’, ‘MA’ , and later on as described here, as you know that, Aim, Hrim and Klim. These are the three, they described the three aspects of God. ‘Aim’ is the existence, ‘Hrim’ is the sustenance and ‘Klim’ is the creative power. These three powers were created first and with three powers the whole universe was created. So first the desire is expressed through the first power which creates the mood in us of Tamo Guna or the subconscious and the collective subconscious. The second one is the one the creative, creates in us thepreconscious mind and the supraconscious and the collective superconscious. And the ‘Hrim’ the third power of ‘MA’ is the sustenance power is the present moment, at this time, [unclear]. And what are you going to be, the self-realized or just the sustenance by keeping the sustenance in a subtle way you are given that self-realization by the grace of God and not by your [unclear]. Now let us see how the universes are created. As you have seen already that there is first the desire. The desire is an abstract thing, and a desire to do something is an abstract thing. Is not materialized, is not a materialization, but before materialization the thought crossing, the desire, that part you cannot describe but you can understand is love of God. It is love. That is His love that He is fond of and He gave this power to His wife, or you can say His Shakti, that will create and She felt that love for Her child that [unclear] desire comes out of love. The motivating force is love. That is Her first goal but can you describe love, can you show it. It exists and you can know it how it has been described is about love. So the first, the foremost power, is that of love and love of the [unclear]. Love that is [unclear]. That love was created and also the deity of innocence was created. In the second stage, the deity of innocence I have told you is Shri Ganesha and He has incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. He was the embodiment of that innocence which was created. This great universe, filled with innocence and He had filled it with innocence. When I talked about Tantra here, I had warned that you are destroying your innocence and destroying the innocence of others, is the greatest sin. And after He died, if you want to have that light you can’t tolerate it, you cannot do that. Now, we should know how this power, primordial Mother, She goes into a stage of a zygote. Zygote perhaps the doctors know, [unclear] where the sperm and ovum meet. But when we understand in the gross stage something ugly, but if you understand it in a subtle way, [unclear] and we can understand. Supposing, today we [unclear] sexual activities of our parents, whom would like to do that. Why- it is not proper to talk about it. Because it is to be real sex. That is why I said, that sex is a sacred thing to be done in a sanctified manner. Is not something cheap or a play or a fun. And this relationship exists between the both of them, between our primordial Father and the primordial Mother. And that is sanctum sanctorum. We are not to go to any ways and discuss and talk about it. That is the absolutely out of faith, out of [unclear], out of [unclear]. But it does not mean that having sex because I am telling you is the subtle thing, is the subtlety which means it happens. How one power of God act, or we should say that complete power of God acts in relation to God Himself. Later on in the human beings or the animals it comes as sex but then you sublimate. The sex is sublimated. Among only human beings we have marriages. And then we have sane sanctified [unclear] who are married. Now. So this action takes place when the Aum is done. The first sound is called as AUM, that is what AUM is. And Christ is the incarnation of that sound, because His incarnation of that primordial [unclear] power of Mother even He takes so called human body. The body is also made out of those vibrations and that is why He was resurrected body. No other incarnation was resurrected. He was created from mother earth from every element some part [unclear] and formed a finite being. And the finite [unclear]. You must have felt it with Me sometimes, here you have been feeling vibrations. There is no end to it [unclear]. Incarnation is beyond human stage. So far two human beings, they were not true human beings because they were born to incarnation, and then they achieved that state and they have shown the path. They were Mahavira and Buddha. But Christ is beyond. He is beyond even the other deities because He was purity complete innocence. Purity is the highest thing is the most powerful thing. Now, in the second stage, is the stage of Utpatti is the Genesis [unclear]. But the second stage is called as Vaikuntha. In this stage all the deities were created. For example, the primordial Mother created deities and then She created their deities and then She created Her children Her child. She created only one child. But the child had four aspects and all these four aspects which were explained before. They are all combine together in the deity of Hers. This is the deity called as Ganesha. And this deity, what deities were created, and how were they created and how did they [unclear] that I will tell you later on because that is the sustenance part of it. But first of all I will tell you how this universe was created. After that, creating all those deities and all those things, they created the void in the stomach of the one [unclear]. So another stage is called as the Kshirsagara where the void was created and the fourth one is called as Bhavasagara is the Samsara universe. So like that four stages are there altogether. Why I tell you that [unclear] in the same manner. Now. The deities were created at the Vaikuntha stage in the beginning. The first and foremost was created by Shri Ganesha was innocence. Innocence was the first thing that [unclear]. He created this whole thing in innocence. Absolutely innocence. After creating innocence, after creating Shri Ganesha, secondly now there that suppose universe was conceived, thought of and was manifested. The second deity that came into play was the witnessing part of God or you can say the existence part of God. She brought in that part, it started in a very poetic way so you can understand. Is the Primordial Mother was to wed Her husband. She has to wed Him. And She is a virgin still waiting for Her husband to come. She is going to have Her bath before the marriage. And before She meets Him. So She makes Shri Ganesha out of Her body. She takes out all that from Her body, all the vibrations She puts them together and makes a son and puts him outside while She has Her bath. And then Shiva comes in. The existence aspect comes in. And He [unclear] cannot understand and all the story is there. But this is how they explain [unclear]. That first of all the Shiva aspect, or you can call, the aspect of existence comes in because without existence how can there be the desire. It represents the desire part of the Primordial Mother the desire and that is the left side. [unclear] desiring. Then She goes back to the [unclear]. That is firstly desire. For desire you have to have a deity and She created deity for that. These deities are created already in such a manner that She first of all divided Herself into three deities. They are called as Mahakali representing the [unclear], Mahasaraswati representing the creative power and sustenance power is expressed as Mahalakshmi. All these three powers take a form, different forms. And all these three powers they produced children [unclear]. And these children are six all together brothers and sisters. Then they exchanged among themselves and three deities with three powers are created, in the sense that wives are the powers and deities are the ones who have to do the job. Means the potential and the kinetic. So the potential one is the deity and the kinetic is the power. So we get six deities out of which you can say three are the powers and three are the deities. And one is Shri Ganesha who is a child. So first for existence they create the deity known as Shiva who represents Shri Sadashiva. For creative power, the creating deity is known as Brahma and for sustenance power She creates the deity called as Vishnu. These three of them with their power, first one gets as Mahakali or Durga. That is Shiva. Then Brahma gets his power as Saraswati and the central power of sustenance or the evolutionary power where Vishnu is the deity, His power is called as Lakshmi. So these six deities are created with three Primordial Mothers as I have told you three powers which surprisingly if you read [unclear] they have described the three goddesses [unclear]. And later on when I come to the supra-conscience [unclear] everything they have described. That one Primordial Mother has three aspects and they are described as three goddesses. And these three goddesses had six children who were married and then they get these three powers [unclear] in the Vaikuntha [unclear]. And also you have established the deity of Shri Ganesha. When these were created at that stage the Vaikuntha stage, they also completely projected the picture of what they are going to achieve out of it. So the highest that this creation has reached, that stage of the vast personality that incarnated from egg I can say or out of this egg like structure, that one personality that was developed which is the form completely evolved of the Vishnu deity is called as Virat. When the sustenance power reaches its height it is the Virat. The macrocosm as we call it as we are the microcosm. Now where we have to reach the Virata. That [unclear] man you can see here [unclear] and man was created in the image of God [unclear]. And in this [unclear] man, we are just like cells, some in the brain, some in the heart, some in the liver. Those who are awakened are realized, can see the oneness [unclear] maintained. In his heart resides the reflection of the witnessing power of God and in his liver. We do not know the importance of the liver. The reflection of His awareness. You will be amazed. The attention part comes from the liver. We do not realize what I’m saying. You don’t drink [unclear] you are going against your awareness against your liver. That is the dead. And people who must have bad liver, have confessed to me. It’s a terrible disease to get all the time. And nothing like having a good liver. Liver is the attention part though it is expressed in the brain, but through brain [unclear]. In the same way the brain, through His brain God creates. His brain He creates and thinks about [unclear]. And through His liver He sustains us. He gives us our sustenance our dharma our religion. Everything has a [unclear], even flowers have a [unclear]. For example, if you plant a mango, only a mango will be growing there. If you have a mango tree, you cannot get apples out of it. In the same way, a human being will give birth to a human being only. He cannot be anything else. And a dog will give birth to a dog. It is done through the sustenance power within which is in the stomach by which it controls. And that is what is the most important thing, because only through that power that you evolve from amoeba to this stage and from this stage to the super state of chakras. So for us in present discussion, the most important thing is the sustenance power and the deity which helps with the sustenance power. The other powers of the right hand side and the left hand side. Of course I have already discussed the left hand side is the power of God Almighty, and the reflection who is reflected in everybody’s heart. And He is there that is the strength within us. On the right hand side power by that you create in the same way God created this whole universe, everything through His Mahasaraswati power. Of course it does not mean that when Mahasaraswati power is created and is handing off another power [unclear] and other powers are not important. It is not. When He creates, every power is [unclear]. Supposing you want to create something then our subconscious mind helps us. Our conscious mind helps us. Our preconscious mind helps us. But dominating that thing, that is the one who works out is this power of creative power on the right hand side with which we think. Now the creative power of the [unclear] in a particular man. But first of all let us understand this Void. Now in the fourth stage, this void is created in you. Or I should say the fifth stage where the human beings [unclear]. But we are all placed in this void only where sun, moon and the whole universe is created and [unclear] by the creative powers on the right hand side. As you people have [unclear]. This is the creative power that started to move like that. It moves in this way and sometimes goes like this in a circle also because it has got another working, it’s another movement. There is another movement also. So this other movement of going round and round and round. When this round and round happens, the whole power gets congested. You see sort of it [unclear] in our language. The whole thing becomes congested so much so that this finite place cannot move. So there is a Big Bang, a Big Bang takes place. Now you will be amazed this I told ten years back to people and I do not know recently people are taking about a Big Bang. Now a big explosion takes place and by that explosion all these things go into fragments. With the momentum of the movement in this way what happens is that all these fragments go on rubbing at each other. They go into circular shape. [unclear] separating. Now as I have told you, the other powers are also there. They are not away from it. They are also supporting it. So the creative power though creates these things, the other powers control it by another method. Is that in the central core of every, of each of these particles, every particle of the earth, every atom, and the minutest of the minutest, is controlled by the existence power. What is it? It is the vibrations coming out of every molecule that we have seen. Sulfur dioxide you can say. The sulfur is on top and there are oxides, two oxides on the two tail ends of the sulfur. And they are all the time vibrating. They may be atomistic, they could be any type. But they are vibrating. Now from where these vibrations are coming in electromagnetic. They are coming from the centre of that molecule. In the same way in the Mother Earth they say there is an axis. They do not know how it exists. That is the same as axis. Is also the same in every system. And the sustenance power is distributed in all of them by giving them a [unclear]. If there were no such agencies which work out the sustenance power, we would not have a periodic table. I do not know how many of you are chemistry students but we have a periodic table. It is most surprising to see that we take it for granted but we see the work. It’s tremendous and intricate, beautifully done. You can see that how the atoms are divided into a table. And they are repeated after some time. How the minute rows and all these things act. And sometimes they act arbitrarily which people cannot explain. They cannot explain because they do not want to believe in God. All these elements are divided into a beautiful chart which is somebody saying is done by chance but it is not. Because by chance if you allow the law of time to operate from the time this earth receded from sun, you cannot even create an amoeba once. Even once. Is a fact. Is a scientific fact. You can read about it in a book and in the Bible. You cannot. And human beings have been created of all these complicated things, how they’ve been created. Why don’t you think about it. How in time it has happened because it is definitely [unclear]. It was operated through its own law, not the law of chance as described in the [unclear]. This short time of five billion years could not have been sufficient even to produce one amoeba. One cell. It is very easy for man to challenge God because he is limited. But what is the use. What does he gain from it. It is better to be humble about it and know Him through your inner being which exists. Outside you cannot go very far with the intellect which is a limited instrument. With this limited instrument you cannot go very far. You have to go into something that is unlimited. You have to trigger into that and there you have to see this unlimited picture. So this is how I am telling you that how universes are created. How these three powers exist in them. Now these three powers are three moods they are called as Tamo guna, Rajo guna and Sattwa guna. But the Sattwa guna is the revelation. The revelation is the sustenance power that is most important for us. And that has come into us because we were created as human beings. You will be amazed that this earth was not such a big earth but small earth. And how water was created in it. Actually you will be amazed to know that earth was removed so much far away from the sun, even away from the moon. So far away that it goes complete. And then it was actually brought nearer to the sun very much. So the whole thing started melting. When it melted away, then it was adjusted and adjusted and brought to the centre point where, centre point in the sense where life could start. It was done with awareness, with understanding deliberately by God Himself. Man has not done it. And then the earth expanded. That’s why some people don’t understand how do you find something in India and something in other places. Or something here. There has been lots of periods which we have not been able to conceive. For example, Himalayas rose up much later, they were much low and it was one land at that time. But to understand this, our awareness has to rise. You see, as we have found the microscope to see something that is minute, to see something subtle or something that has happened before, we have to have that depth but we do not even have respect for ourselves how are we to handle it. How are we handle it, such issues for example we do not even can balance ourselves. We are not organized. Hence the Sahaja yoga is covering in this Kali yuga, in these modern times, that at least there is a method to know by which you can balance yourselves and which you can feel that vibratory all pervading power which surrounds, which has been described and told to you by various sages. [unclear] you can see it in the self-realization is not just a lecture from a pulpit or somebody. It happens. It is a happening. It is an actualization that happens. But it is such a tremendous thing we do not realize what is the door opening out to us. Where we are entering into the subtler form. These vibrations are responsible for creating, controlling, coordinating, working out everything. Only thing we that choose to not give it a chance to work out everywhere. Give [unclear] and there the realm of God happens. The second power which I described to you is the creative power. I mean you can go on talking on this how all elements are created but [unclear] were created, which created the five elements and the permutations and combinations of five elements, how was this earth and these things were created, and is a very vast subject on which I think one can go on speaking for hours together. Let’s forget about it. Because you are not there. You are [unclear]. You have to prepare. Now the sustenance power within you is there in the [unclear]. On top it comes up to a point. It is not even that low. As far as the [unclear]. So it is not even that low. And you are in the Void. Your attention is on your head. This liver has to be first enlightened. How do we enlighten it? What is the point? The desire. The desire power has to be put somewhere a very portable power this desire power, which will supersede all your ordinary, material or emotional and all these desires. There must be something kept there to work out this living thing. And that is the thing is down below, it is the power actually the desire power, is the Mahakali power, is kept there in a [unclear] and it is call it as a virgin. She is a virgin. And She is your Mother throughout. Just like the virgin Mother of Christ. Just like the virgin Mother, Kali or Durga or Parvati. Her son is Ganesha. In the same way She is your personal Mother. Everybody has that Mother. Sitting down there, sleeping there, waiting for a chance to rise and give you that joy. She is like a coil inside. It is a living Mother. It has lived with you throughout in many ages, in many lives, She is waiting there. It is described in the scriptures that I will appear before you as tongues of flames [unclear]. When She comes up and the way She rises, She enlightens all of them. Which is the residual one that is kept there, preserved there in a human being and is there and [unclear]. It comes up in the stomach, in the Void. The first thing is it is the creative power which is acted through the centre known as Swadishthana. So it is the [unclear]. Swadishthan chakra can be seen [unclear]. In the subtle sense. Then it goes higher. It is the [unclear], the desire power integrates with the creative power and goes higher and upward and then it integrates with the heart power, which is placed here on the third chakra there. Partial integration takes place now. Because till this point human beings have just evolved up to a point. At the higher point than that, is here in human beings really evolved because they raised up their head like that. Bowing of the head is a very important gesture for human beings, because you understand for a dog it is not. For human beings you understand. If you have bowed your head before every Dick Tom and Harry who comes in a dress which appeals to you, who entices you, then you have gone down very much. In your own experience, this neck of the human beings is above all the animal kingdom, all the world, all the universe, all the creation that was created. Because here resides the power within you to be that Virata great through which you become one with that and that is why I told you to put your hands towards Me because through these you can feel the Virata. You can feel that one personality through which these are the ten people or you can say that the [unclear] by which you feel it because your chakra is [unclear]. This is spoilt by so many things. People who tell lies, people who say harsh things, who have no love within them, people who smoke, with all disrespect to yourself and to others. All that relationship between you and others is spoilt by spoiling this. So the Kundalini has to rise above and come up to this, where I have a red mark. In the centre of the brain where the optic chiasma meet, where pituitary and pineal bodies are acting. The central point is a subtle chakra which you call as Agnya chakra, which you call as third eye. I don’t know what they understand by. It has a window here through which one can see is the cross on which Christ was crucified, His body was crucified. This is a very, very important centre because it controls the movement of your ego and superego. Which brings the balance between the two and when the Kundalini rises, and what is to be sought and asked for that is what you are seeking and not this in material, useless, superficial things. If you are seeking superficially I have nothing to offer. You have got everything. But you are true seekers. [unclear]. There is nothing to worry about it, it can be [unclear]. Actually in the western countries that I felt, too much of creative power and thinking power. The ego that is on the left hand side, from right hand side it goes to the left, [unclear]. And by becoming conscious of it, suddenly you are [unclear] superego [unclear]. Now both are working like this in the brain. Sometimes I feel horns will come up. The way you are thinking thinking thinking you cannot stop. When the space in between has to be achieved. There is a great love, great love and care [unclear], just the love. Sometimes I find some of you do not come to Me because it is too much of ego. [unclear] Come along. Just have a look. Open your eyes. [unclear] now you touch that point. But some of them I found out are suffering from superego. They have told me that Mother we feel we have committed sins and how do we fix these for example. You may never forgive us. But then I say that no guilt is greater than My love. I can challenge that. Only thing is if you want to give it up then you’ve given up all those things and everything can be helped. And Mother can never take charge to that extent that She cannot forgive you for that. And that is why if you are just there that’s all, you do not have to overdo anything or do anything less, just be there, be yourself and [unclear]. It has worked in many of you like that. But you have to realize it is a serious matter. In the western thing we have been working so many years now. You all have been [unclear]. What you have found out is that you do touch with my lectures, you do touch that point and you get a tremendous experience. Yes it happens. It happens, why? Because you must know what is it but then you have to achieve it yourself. By understanding yourself. Some of the things you have got have never been talked, I know. They are built up. You do not lose it at all. You also get separated no doubt. Immediately you start talking something is happened here, something is happened there. But you do not feel the vibrations all the time. Some people do not. [unclear]. All that has been described in books and [unclear]. If you do not get it, don’t be satisfied with yourself. Know it has to work. If not today then it has to clear out. But it is not just some sort of a drama going on like a pastime. Like somebody told me that we are going to have a big banquet and can you come along and give us a speech and can you explain to us everything in ten minutes. This is rather difficult. I said why do you give explanation, why do you want to call me. You can have many people like that. You can even get an entertainer who can explain. [unclear] That is how you have your realization. This is what the whole world needs and this is the answer. You have to verify. Give it a chance to work out. That’s why I told that nothing should be accepted without experience. But once you start getting the experience remember that. Keep it within you. I must say [unclear] you are really great people because you fight, you are hurt and you have problems and the things that have happened to you. Despite all that you have got your realization. The Kundalini is so great, the desire is so great that She throws away all this and She cures the [unclear]. We did not take ages to [unclear]. You have to love and understand that you are human beings specially created for this purpose. And you are the instrument of God and the responsibility of maintaining this religion rests on you people. May God bless you all. I think if we have little time we can go through the experience of it. I’ll try to say these things and probably I’ll talk a little bit but it is a very complicated subject. And it cannot be told all in such a short time. But I will go on with it and now I am going to be here for four days more for you all. And we are going to have [unclear] again and again and again. And we are going to give realization to many people. We are going to talk to you all about all these things, the subtler side, everything. But do not come to My lectures just to sort of know something and get out. You should not do that. Please come here to have something. To get something out of it. And then to give something. [unclear] My whole heart and My complete desire that today most of you [unclear]. Now if your mind is too much questioning. I do not mind if you ask Me questions. I’ll try to [unclear]. And the mind experiences are all stupid and foolish. [unclear] Last Saturday two Indians who had come. They asked such frivolous questions it spoiled the complete atmosphere of these people. This was the worst thing. By argument or by discussing you are not here. But best thing is to get it and then know it. If you have any questions we can answer it. You can write it down later. But just now keep the questions on one side because while you are making efforts you have not found it. So like a mother has told you that if you are hungry, I’ve done the cooking, you can sit down and have your food. If you are not hungry you go on asking questions. But if you are hungry [unclear]. I’ll be going to India on the 10th or 12th. And again be back in the month of February or March. And then we are going to again start these things. And we have to propagate it more in a way that is right but I do not want [unclear]

God and Creation, Caxton Hall, London 1977-11-28 As Gavin has already explained to you that today’s subject is really a very vast subject and one has to pay a concentrated attention to understand the subject. And as he has told you already that it is my subjective knowledge which can be yours also. And you have to verify it only through your vibratory awareness. Because that’s the only awareness that can give you absolute results. Human awareness as I have told you is still incomplete, unless and until you get the vibratory awareness through self-realization in which the Self starts speaking to you, you cannot verify the truth. So that is one of the most essential aspects of subjective knowledge is. Anybody says anything need not believe into it at all. And as I have told you also you don’t have to believe into what I say. But it is not to be denied also because as I told you this is a very subtle subject and one has to be little understanding. Not accepting maybe with some people. But it doesn’t matter. Even if you accept it for a short time, if you don’t like you can give it up later. But don’t be sort of against it. I have spoken on the subject in India in my 8 lectures and here I have to give one lecture. So it’s an ordeal for you. For me it’s a pleasure. I hope you enjoy it. At the very outset, we have to understand that God is what He is. We can only know Him. We cannot mold Him. We cannot make Him according to our own concepts, our own ideas, our own interpretations. God has three powers which are even beyond. The first power He has got beyond Him [unclear] manifestation [unclear], or as I call it, as auras. He has three auras which are beyond Him, and three auras which are in front of Him and He is in between. You see, this language has to be used because you do not understand otherwise. The three powers or three auras that appear behind Him or above Him or beyond Him are first one is eternity. He is eternal. He cannot discontinue to be eternal. He is made like that. That is His nature. That is what He is. He cannot even if He wants to give up that nature of eternity. So He is an eternal being that is beyond. Even if He says, “I’ll give up, it is all nonsense.” He cannot. He has bound Himself by Himself. [unclear] to understand. So He is an eternal being. Secondly, He is infinite. He is infinite and His infinity cannot be challenged. That is His own style. He can, if He wants, to emit His infinite infinity through finite. For example, I will tell you there’s a candle here. The candle is a finite thing [unclear]. But when you light it, then it emits light, it goes to infinity. In the same way, He can put his infinity into a finite being if He wants to or in a being person, but He cannot get out of his infinity. We see the question of Christ people are discussing whether He is an incarnation or not. All incarnations have been made because they are aspects of God. And you go on understanding them, and you go on understanding them, and you go on understanding them, there is no end to it. It is an infinity. They cannot be understood by finite, but His body was a finite thing in which the infinity was expressed. Keep it at that point because it is also beyond your conceptions and beyond your comprehension. It is really beyond. So forget about that part. But we have to talk about God sometime isn’t it. And the third nature is His supremacy. He is supreme. He is beyond every one of us. Everyone that claims to be supreme than God [unclear]. Only He has made human beings supreme. By giving them a supremacy. When He has given supremacy. He must have [unclear]. When he has given you supremacy, He has made you a human being. By giving you supremacy that means he doesn’t interfere with your freedom. He does not. He has promised you freedom and He is going to keep your freedom. These are the three auras of God, which exist but do not manifest. In the Sanskrit language they are called as ‘avyaktas’. Now there are three other aspects which He manifests which are called as ‘vyaktas’, means manifested. The first aspect of Him is that He is. He exists. He’s existed. He is there all the time. This aspect is called as ‘Sthita’ as existence itself. So this aspect gives us the power to exist also. By this power, this universe, all this creation exists. Because He is existence, He can remove all that He has made existed. If He wants He will have the whole of it or He will have nothing of it or some of it. We cannot challenge His existence. He creates as He likes and if He doesn’t like anything he destroys also. The second aspect of God is that He is a creative power. He creates. He has power to create. By which He has created these universes. He has created animals. He has created human beings. He has created all the emotions and everything is created by Him. He is the Creator. These are the aspects of one God I am talking about. Only one, He is only one. And the third aspect He has is the sustenance. He sustains. He sustains by His wisdom. He sustains this universe. Sustenance is achieved by giving you your sustaining powers, [unclear] sustaining power. As I said carbon has four valencies. It has got four hands, four [unclear]. That is the quality that is given to it by God. You are human beings and you have sustenance which is ten in number and has to be maintained through the ten laws, as we call them as ten commandments. So these are the three aspects He expresses and manifests. But He being the complete show, He Himself does not manifest. So what does He do? God does all these things through His powers. All these three powers. So what He does is separate Himself from His power. Like a seed is separated from its own plumule when the seed starts growing or the sprout starts sprouting. In the same manner, He separates His power from Himself and allows the power to work out the situation and He watches the drama. He is the witness. He is just a witness. He is witnessing the drama of His power. This separation is done by Him. We cannot understand, human beings cannot understand how can it be done. He is God. He can put all His [unclear] in that place and He can sit here or He can sit there. He is God. We have to understand that. And how can He separate His power, because we cannot. Like the sun has sunlight, moon has moonlight, in the same manner, God has God’s power. Which we call as divine power. Let us see now how it happens. Now you can see all these things happening in meditation if you know how to do it. But so far you are not to do that. You are not to do that. You have to first become yourself completely. But people have seen it. It is a big problem for scientists to understand certain things like the other day I was watching on the TV that the Sirius has a companion star and they were surprised how could these aboriginals living in Africa could know this. It is not at all difficult. After all, all that knowledge is He. All books are in Him. If you know how to reach your library you can find out everything. Only about I think six years back I said that the whole universe is moving in a spiral way. And the other day Gavin pointed out to me Mother see here even it’s written down. I always said about the companion star with the sun. And today I talked to you about it. But that is not so important to a person like Me, who has come on this earth just to give you salvation and to give you realization, I am not interested in how many stars there are and how many companion stars there are. After all they are just outside the [unclear]. They are just arranging your stage. You are on the stage. It is alright they are fixed. We don’t have to bother about them. What we have to bother is our own realization, our self-actualization. These things are not important. What is horoscope, what are stars and this and that. Of course in short I will tell you how they were created. That is a different point altogether. But that is not so important. Our main objective is to know our sustenance power and our evolutionary power by which we evolve because through sustenance power only God evolves us. First of all we have to know that no analogy can be perfect because we are giving an analogy about something that is perfect by something imperfect. Nothing is as perfect as God is. So one has to just to understand, just to understand, I am just giving you certain analogies. Like I’m saying a seed or a tree. But it is just an analogy for understanding. That is all. As I told you, He is an eternal being. So there is nothing like first He started that and then this thing happened. It’s nothing like that. If something is moving all the time in eternal way, then where do you start? What do you do? You pick up one point and from there you start describing it till you reach another point. This is the only way one can describe. So in the beginning as I say of My lecture, or you can say in the beginning from where we have come to the point, the state of all that is in this world, everything, or creations like this and many creations before and everything, is at a state called as Parabramha. That state is in which everything is dissolved. There are no human beings, there is no creation, there is nothing. We cannot understand also nothing. I give a very simple sort of an understanding of that what is nothing. For example, if it is all dark here in this room, and I am just sitting down. If you see from outside you’ll say there is nothing inside. There is something but there is nothing. You don’t see it. There is nothing as far as you are concerned. And that’s why when you use the word nothing is relating to you and not to God. Supposing He is sitting in the darkness, in complete darkness. He doesn’t know whom to communicate what He is. He doesn’t reflect Himself at all. He is just sitting without any image. If you see in the sky, you do not find that there are sun’s rays separating like that. You never see that. But supposing there is a jet plane passing through. You immediately see a streak of fumes being reflected by the same sun’s rays and you will say yes these is sun’s rays we can see. So unless and until there is a reflector you cannot see. He has to create a reflector and for creating the reflector He separates His own energy. He must have His expression. So He creates light within Himself and that light is reflected on a reflector. And the reflector is this universe. You are the best reflectors He has produced so far. Human beings on this Earth. You may talk of any other planet or anything, nobody has been produced as well as you have been produced. And you have achieved that state that now you can really feel His eternal being. You can see Him. You are at that stage. You are the best reflector He has produced, just to reflect Himself, to communicate Himself, to have a rapport. So in the beginning when He was nothing He was not reflecting. We can say that there was entropy, in the scientific language we can say, where there was no movement. He was just sleeping. When a person is sleeping he is not into activity. But when He wakes up He goes into activity, again He sleeps. He is an eternal thing that is happening. That he sleeps, then he gets up, works and again He sleeps. In the same way if you can think of somebody who is asleep in a Parabramha state and when He gets up He is active. So first of all when He is the Parabramha state, now what does He do? At the Parabramha state what He does is to concentrate Himself onto one point. He takes a desire in His mind that He has to do it. So He concentrates onto one point. And that’s known as the Adi-Bindu. Adi means primordial. That is the first, Bindu means the point. He makes Himself into a first point and that is known as Adi-Bindu. [unclear] Now, this concentrated form of Parabramha, Para means beyond, is beyond. The last stage you can say [unclear]. Becomes a small spot, a small concentrated point. When He awakens, when He awakens and He starts pulsating. His waves from His body start moving, from His being they start moving out, and these waves go round. They form a round circle. At the periphery all these waves and what are these waves are nothing but His divine power. His divine power starts oozing out and settles down on the periphery of the circle. This circle is called as Adi Valaya is the primordial circle. Primordial circle. So the first movement is this wave of God’s divine power and the second is round. It settles down in a round way. When the whole thing is oozed out what remains is a dot and a circle. Now His power has to manifest. It does not. He does not. So He remains as the witness as the Lord God Almighty, and His power, in which His power is flowing. If you think of a seed in a tree, seed’s power is [unclear]. His power now decides to create because of His desire. There is no difference between the two. We cannot understand two persons having such a oneness. At the most we can say sunlight and sun. But they are not living beings but we cannot think of a living being having that much of a unison. [unclear] they call it as Kalp-Nirvaya because they are supposed to be perfect but when you see them you will say it is just the opposite. You should never have used this. But it is. This power is called as the Shakti. As the power. As the Adi-Shakti is the primordial power, is the primordial Mother and He is the primordial Father. Is the abstract side I am talking about. So the primordial Mother decides not yet so much decision taken place. You also know that you are made in His image, so that She takes time to decide whether I should to do this or not. Whether I should manifest or not. But she collects Herself, puts Her courage together and She forms into another Bindu which is known as Bindu only. First Adi Bindu is the God and His power together and the second becomes another Bindu so we have two Bindus now. So we have two Bindus which combine in a way as if they are related to each other like a object and its reflection. But it is much more than that because it has the same power as the first one had. So it is the power of God which becomes into another Bindu. Now this Bindu starts emitting its own powers. Her powers are different from that of the first one. For example, the seed does not have fragrance but the flower has. Her powers are different because She is for manifesting and He is for witnessing. So, the lady of the house does all the job and the man is just watching the play. But He is the person who is watching. He is the spectator so He is the last word for all this show. If He does not like the show that is created by the Primordial Mother, He can put it off. So He is the master. And if He says, “I don’t like it.” It’s off. If He says, “All right go on.” It is carried on. So the Primordial Mother takes up the job of manifesting Herself with Her own power which we can call as Primordial Mother’s power, as the divine power. But still it is not over. There is a little protocol about it. She must have the qualities of Her husband which He bestows upon Her. And as Her acceptance of that She garlands Him. You see, Sanskrit language is very symbolic. So She garlands Him as they say or we can say She goes round Him. When you have to go round another point from one point, what happens, the shortest distance has to be in this way which you call as an ellipse. In the Sanskrit language it is known as pradakshina. [unclear] pradakshina. Now this style of movement changes it completely the nature of the Primordial Mother. If you are in on a circle, you are moving on and on and on and on it is an eternal movement. But once you start in this manner, you see the infinity is bestowed upon. So She gets Herself finiteness. She gets into Herself finiteness. This movement is the first movement of the Primordial Mother Adi Shakti. And is a very important movement for every consideration of sahaja yoga. Later on which you will see why we move our hand this way and why that way. Why the aura of a human being is in that way. Why the aura of a flame is that way because this the movement of manifestation. First movement is this way which looks like an ellipse or we can call it as pradakshina. With this movement She sort of surrenders to Him. Now after surrendering what happens. Another stage comes in. Still She is not very much anxious to manifest without Her master being with Her. She says, “All alone how can I do it?” This is the stage called as lasya. It is a very beautiful description. See they have used here and there as husband and wife because according to them that is the nearest relationship between the two. Absolute oneness and unison. So the lasya stage what does happen. [unclear]. And this movement of the parabola or ellipse is being maintained as it is. Now she moves toward the Parameshwara or the one who is the witness part, to the God that they call God Almighty. She moves towards God Almighty in the way I have shown here and by that movement both the sides are round because She is a finite being. Out of which Shiva the Maha, Sadashiva aspect of witnessing the what you call God Almighty. He gets up. He gets up and He [unclear]. And when He moves even closer [unclear]. This round thing that is here, this round one, it opens out and goes into two halves and this is what [unclear]. Now when Shiva gets out of that parabola or that ellipse, that is the time a sound is made. The sound is ‘AA’. The second sound is ‘OO’ and the third one when it goes up and they start with ‘MA’. So we get three sounds ‘AA’, ‘OO’, ‘MA’. All these put together make ‘Aum’. In the Devanagari whatever you say [unclear]. In the same way when you say ‘AA’, ‘OO’, ‘MA’, these three words together and that is how [unclear]. But this is how you see it here, if you can see on your forehead you see it written here that this is not pertaining to any religion or a philosophy or anything. This is called as the first as the Word as they say or as the [unclear] as they say in the Quran, or the first primordial word is ‘Aum’. It has nothing to do with any Indian philosopher or anything, only thing is that in India people had so much time that they went deep into it and found out this. And that [unclear] all these things but it is not [unclear] people at that time [unclear] which you can see that it is the first, first sound and this first sound is the announcement of the power of Mother which is primordial, which is the vibrations of the Primordial Mother. The vibrations that we feel as the pranava, which has got three: one, two, three. You can see the three half circles ‘AA’, ‘OO’, ‘MA’ and on top is Her [unclear]. This is the abstract way how it was created first. It took the form from abstract to this form. So the whole universe was created in three stages. The first stage was this one, it was called as [unclear]. When the deities in [unclear] were created which had ‘AA’, ‘OO’, ‘MA’ , and later on as described here, as you know that, Aim, Hrim and Klim. These are the three, they described the three aspects of God. ‘Aim’ is the existence, ‘Hrim’ is the sustenance and ‘Klim’ is the creative power. These three powers were created first and with three powers the whole universe was created. So first the desire is expressed through the first power which creates the mood in us of Tamo Guna or the subconscious and the collective subconscious. The second one is the one the creative, creates in us thepreconscious mind and the supraconscious and the collective superconscious. And the ‘Hrim’ the third power of ‘MA’ is the sustenance power is the present moment, at this time, [unclear]. And what are you going to be, the self-realized or just the sustenance by keeping the sustenance in a subtle way you are given that self-realization by the grace of God and not by your [unclear]. Now let us see how the universes are created. As you have seen already that there is first the desire. The desire is an abstract thing, and a desire to do something is an abstract thing. Is not materialized, is not a materialization, but before materialization the thought crossing, the desire, that part you cannot describe but you can understand is love of God. It is love. That is His love that He is fond of and He gave this power to His wife, or you can say His Shakti, that will create and She felt that love for Her child that [unclear] desire comes out of love. The motivating force is love. That is Her first goal but can you describe love, can you show it. It exists and you can know it how it has been described is about love. So the first, the foremost power, is that of love and love of the [unclear]. Love that is [unclear]. That love was created and also the deity of innocence was created. In the second stage, the deity of innocence I have told you is Shri Ganesha and He has incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. He was the embodiment of that innocence which was created. This great universe, filled with innocence and He had filled it with innocence. When I talked about Tantra here, I had warned that you are destroying your innocence and destroying the innocence of others, is the greatest sin. And after He died, if you want to have that light you can’t tolerate it, you cannot do that. Now, we should know how this power, primordial Mother, She goes into a stage of a zygote. Zygote perhaps the doctors know, [unclear] where the sperm and ovum meet. But when we understand in the gross stage something ugly, but if you understand it in a subtle way, [unclear] and we can understand. Supposing, today we [unclear] sexual activities of our parents, whom would like to do that. Why- it is not proper to talk about it. Because it is to be real sex. That is why I said, that sex is a sacred thing to be done in a sanctified manner. Is not something cheap or a play or a fun. And this relationship exists between the both of them, between our primordial Father and the primordial Mother. And that is sanctum sanctorum. We are not to go to any ways and discuss and talk about it. That is the absolutely out of faith, out of [unclear], out of [unclear]. But it does not mean that having sex because I am telling you is the subtle thing, is the subtlety which means it happens. How one power of God act, or we should say that complete power of God acts in relation to God Himself. Later on in the human beings or the animals it comes as sex but then you sublimate. The sex is sublimated. Among only human beings we have marriages. And then we have sane sanctified [unclear] who are married. Now. So this action takes place when the Aum is done. The first sound is called as AUM, that is what AUM is. And Christ is the incarnation of that sound, because His incarnation of that primordial [unclear] power of Mother even He takes so called human body. The body is also made out of those vibrations and that is why He was resurrected body. No other incarnation was resurrected. He was created from mother earth from every element some part [unclear] and formed a finite being. And the finite [unclear]. You must have felt it with Me sometimes, here you have been feeling vibrations. There is no end to it [unclear]. Incarnation is beyond human stage. So far two human beings, they were not true human beings because they were born to incarnation, and then they achieved that state and they have shown the path. They were Mahavira and Buddha. But Christ is beyond. He is beyond even the other deities because He was purity complete innocence. Purity is the highest thing is the most powerful thing. Now, in the second stage, is the stage of Utpatti is the Genesis [unclear]. But the second stage is called as Vaikuntha. In this stage all the deities were created. For example, the primordial Mother created deities and then She created their deities and then She created Her children Her child. She created only one child. But the child had four aspects and all these four aspects which were explained before. They are all combine together in the deity of Hers. This is the deity called as Ganesha. And this deity, what deities were created, and how were they created and how did they [unclear] that I will tell you later on because that is the sustenance part of it. But first of all I will tell you how this universe was created. After that, creating all those deities and all those things, they created the void in the stomach of the one [unclear]. So another stage is called as the Kshirsagara where the void was created and the fourth one is called as Bhavasagara is the Samsara universe. So like that four stages are there altogether. Why I tell you that [unclear] in the same manner. Now. The deities were created at the Vaikuntha stage in the beginning. The first and foremost was created by Shri Ganesha was innocence. Innocence was the first thing that [unclear]. He created this whole thing in innocence. Absolutely innocence. After creating innocence, after creating Shri Ganesha, secondly now there that suppose universe was conceived, thought of and was manifested. The second deity that came into play was the witnessing part of God or you can say the existence part of God. She brought in that part, it started in a very poetic way so you can understand. Is the Primordial Mother was to wed Her husband. She has to wed Him. And She is a virgin still waiting for Her husband to come. She is going to have Her bath before the marriage. And before She meets Him. So She makes Shri Ganesha out of Her body. She takes out all that from Her body, all the vibrations She puts them together and makes a son and puts him outside while She has Her bath. And then Shiva comes in. The existence aspect comes in. And He [unclear] cannot understand and all the story is there. But this is how they explain [unclear]. That first of all the Shiva aspect, or you can call, the aspect of existence comes in because without existence how can there be the desire. It represents the desire part of the Primordial Mother the desire and that is the left side. [unclear] desiring. Then She goes back to the [unclear]. That is firstly desire. For desire you have to have a deity and She created deity for that. These deities are created already in such a manner that She first of all divided Herself into three deities. They are called as Mahakali representing the [unclear], Mahasaraswati representing the creative power and sustenance power is expressed as Mahalakshmi. All these three powers take a form, different forms. And all these three powers they produced children [unclear]. And these children are six all together brothers and sisters. Then they exchanged among themselves and three deities with three powers are created, in the sense that wives are the powers and deities are the ones who have to do the job. Means the potential and the kinetic. So the potential one is the deity and the kinetic is the power. So we get six deities out of which you can say three are the powers and three are the deities. And one is Shri Ganesha who is a child. So first for existence they create the deity known as Shiva who represents Shri Sadashiva. For creative power, the creating deity is known as Brahma and for sustenance power She creates the deity called as Vishnu. These three of them with their power, first one gets as Mahakali or Durga. That is Shiva. Then Brahma gets his power as Saraswati and the central power of sustenance or the evolutionary power where Vishnu is the deity, His power is called as Lakshmi. So these six deities are created with three Primordial Mothers as I have told you three powers which surprisingly if you read [unclear] they have described the three goddesses [unclear]. And later on when I come to the supra-conscience [unclear] everything they have described. That one Primordial Mother has three aspects and they are described as three goddesses. And these three goddesses had six children who were married and then they get these three powers [unclear] in the Vaikuntha [unclear]. And also you have established the deity of Shri Ganesha. When these were created at that stage the Vaikuntha stage, they also completely projected the picture of what they are going to achieve out of it. So the highest that this creation has reached, that stage of the vast personality that incarnated from egg I can say or out of this egg like structure, that one personality that was developed which is the form completely evolved of the Vishnu deity is called as Virat. When the sustenance power reaches its height it is the Virat. The macrocosm as we call it as we are the microcosm. Now where we have to reach the Virata. That [unclear] man you can see here [unclear] and man was created in the image of God [unclear]. And in this [unclear] man, we are just like cells, some in the brain, some in the heart, some in the liver. Those who are awakened are realized, can see the oneness [unclear] maintained. In his heart resides the reflection of the witnessing power of God and in his liver. We do not know the importance of the liver. The reflection of His awareness. You will be amazed. The attention part comes from the liver. We do not realize what I’m saying. You don’t drink [unclear] you are going against your awareness against your liver. That is the dead. And people who must have bad liver, have confessed to me. It’s a terrible disease to get all the time. And nothing like having a good liver. Liver is the attention part though it is expressed in the brain, but through brain [unclear]. In the same way the brain, through His brain God creates. His brain He creates and thinks about [unclear]. And through His liver He sustains us. He gives us our sustenance our dharma our religion. Everything has a [unclear], even flowers have a [unclear]. For example, if you plant a mango, only a mango will be growing there. If you have a mango tree, you cannot get apples out of it. In the same way, a human being will give birth to a human being only. He cannot be anything else. And a dog will give birth to a dog. It is done through the sustenance power within which is in the stomach by which it controls. And that is what is the most important thing, because only through that power that you evolve from amoeba to this stage and from this stage to the super state of chakras. So for us in present discussion, the most important thing is the sustenance power and the deity which helps with the sustenance power. The other powers of the right hand side and the left hand side. Of course I have already discussed the left hand side is the power of God Almighty, and the reflection who is reflected in everybody’s heart. And He is there that is the strength within us. On the right hand side power by that you create in the same way God created this whole universe, everything through His Mahasaraswati power. Of course it does not mean that when Mahasaraswati power is created and is handing off another power [unclear] and other powers are not important. It is not. When He creates, every power is [unclear]. Supposing you want to create something then our subconscious mind helps us. Our conscious mind helps us. Our preconscious mind helps us. But dominating that thing, that is the one who works out is this power of creative power on the right hand side with which we think. Now the creative power of the [unclear] in a particular man. But first of all let us understand this Void. Now in the fourth stage, this void is created in you. Or I should say the fifth stage where the human beings [unclear]. But we are all placed in this void only where sun, moon and the whole universe is created and [unclear] by the creative powers on the right hand side. As you people have [unclear]. This is the creative power that started to move like that. It moves in this way and sometimes goes like this in a circle also because it has got another working, it’s another movement. There is another movement also. So this other movement of going round and round and round. When this round and round happens, the whole power gets congested. You see sort of it [unclear] in our language. The whole thing becomes congested so much so that this finite place cannot move. So there is a Big Bang, a Big Bang takes place. Now you will be amazed this I told ten years back to people and I do not know recently people are taking about a Big Bang. Now a big explosion takes place and by that explosion all these things go into fragments. With the momentum of the movement in this way what happens is that all these fragments go on rubbing at each other. They go into circular shape. [unclear] separating. Now as I have told you, the other powers are also there. They are not away from it. They are also supporting it. So the creative power though creates these things, the other powers control it by another method. Is that in the central core of every, of each of these particles, every particle of the earth, every atom, and the minutest of the minutest, is controlled by the existence power. What is it? It is the vibrations coming out of every molecule that we have seen. Sulfur dioxide you can say. The sulfur is on top and there are oxides, two oxides on the two tail ends of the sulfur. And they are all the time vibrating. They may be atomistic, they could be any type. But they are vibrating. Now from where these vibrations are coming in electromagnetic. They are coming from the centre of that molecule. In the same way in the Mother Earth they say there is an axis. They do not know how it exists. That is the same as axis. Is also the same in every system. And the sustenance power is distributed in all of them by giving them a [unclear]. If there were no such agencies which work out the sustenance power, we would not have a periodic table. I do not know how many of you are chemistry students but we have a periodic table. It is most surprising to see that we take it for granted but we see the work. It’s tremendous and intricate, beautifully done. You can see that how the atoms are divided into a table. And they are repeated after some time. How the minute rows and all these things act. And sometimes they act arbitrarily which people cannot explain. They cannot explain because they do not want to believe in God. All these elements are divided into a beautiful chart which is somebody saying is done by chance but it is not. Because by chance if you allow the law of time to operate from the time this earth receded from sun, you cannot even create an amoeba once. Even once. Is a fact. Is a scientific fact. You can read about it in a book and in the Bible. You cannot. And human beings have been created of all these complicated things, how they’ve been created. Why don’t you think about it. How in time it has happened because it is definitely [unclear]. It was operated through its own law, not the law of chance as described in the [unclear]. This short time of five billion years could not have been sufficient even to produce one amoeba. One cell. It is very easy for man to challenge God because he is limited. But what is the use. What does he gain from it. It is better to be humble about it and know Him through your inner being which exists. Outside you cannot go very far with the intellect which is a limited instrument. With this limited instrument you cannot go very far. You have to go into something that is unlimited. You have to trigger into that and there you have to see this unlimited picture. So this is how I am telling you that how universes are created. How these three powers exist in them. Now these three powers are three moods they are called as Tamo guna, Rajo guna and Sattwa guna. But the Sattwa guna is the revelation. The revelation is the sustenance power that is most important for us. And that has come into us because we were created as human beings. You will be amazed that this earth was not such a big earth but small earth. And how water was created in it. Actually you will be amazed to know that earth was removed so much far away from the sun, even away from the moon. So far away that it goes complete. And then it was actually brought nearer to the sun very much. So the whole thing started melting. When it melted away, then it was adjusted and adjusted and brought to the centre point where, centre point in the sense where life could start. It was done with awareness, with understanding deliberately by God Himself. Man has not done it. And then the earth expanded. That’s why some people don’t understand how do you find something in India and something in other places. Or something here. There has been lots of periods which we have not been able to conceive. For example, Himalayas rose up much later, they were much low and it was one land at that time. But to understand this, our awareness has to rise. You see, as we have found the microscope to see something that is minute, to see something subtle or something that has happened before, we have to have that depth but we do not even have respect for ourselves how are we to handle it. How are we handle it, such issues for example we do not even can balance ourselves. We are not organized. Hence the Sahaja yoga is covering in this Kali yuga, in these modern times, that at least there is a method to know by which you can balance yourselves and which you can feel that vibratory all pervading power which surrounds, which has been described and told to you by various sages. [unclear] you can see it in the self-realization is not just a lecture from a pulpit or somebody. It happens. It is a happening. It is an actualization that happens. But it is such a tremendous thing we do not realize what is the door opening out to us. Where we are entering into the subtler form. These vibrations are responsible for creating, controlling, coordinating, working out everything. Only thing we that choose to not give it a chance to work out everywhere. Give [unclear] and there the realm of God happens. The second power which I described to you is the creative power. I mean you can go on talking on this how all elements are created but [unclear] were created, which created the five elements and the permutations and combinations of five elements, how was this earth and these things were created, and is a very vast subject on which I think one can go on speaking for hours together. Let’s forget about it. Because you are not there. You are [unclear]. You have to prepare. Now the sustenance power within you is there in the [unclear]. On top it comes up to a point. It is not even that low. As far as the [unclear]. So it is not even that low. And you are in the Void. Your attention is on your head. This liver has to be first enlightened. How do we enlighten it? What is the point? The desire. The desire power has to be put somewhere a very portable power this desire power, which will supersede all your ordinary, material or emotional and all these desires. There must be something kept there to work out this living thing. And that is the thing is down below, it is the power actually the desire power, is the Mahakali power, is kept there in a [unclear] and it is call it as a virgin. She is a virgin. And She is your Mother throughout. Just like the virgin Mother of Christ. Just like the virgin Mother, Kali or Durga or Parvati. Her son is Ganesha. In the same way She is your personal Mother. Everybody has that Mother. Sitting down there, sleeping there, waiting for a chance to rise and give you that joy. She is like a coil inside. It is a living Mother. It has lived with you throughout in many ages, in many lives, She is waiting there. It is described in the scriptures that I will appear before you as tongues of flames [unclear]. When She comes up and the way She rises, She enlightens all of them. Which is the residual one that is kept there, preserved there in a human being and is there and [unclear]. It comes up in the stomach, in the Void. The first thing is it is the creative power which is acted through the centre known as Swadishthana. So it is the [unclear]. Swadishthan chakra can be seen [unclear]. In the subtle sense. Then it goes higher. It is the [unclear], the desire power integrates with the creative power and goes higher and upward and then it integrates with the heart power, which is placed here on the third chakra there. Partial integration takes place now. Because till this point human beings have just evolved up to a point. At the higher point than that, is here in human beings really evolved because they raised up their head like that. Bowing of the head is a very important gesture for human beings, because you understand for a dog it is not. For human beings you understand. If you have bowed your head before every Dick Tom and Harry who comes in a dress which appeals to you, who entices you, then you have gone down very much. In your own experience, this neck of the human beings is above all the animal kingdom, all the world, all the universe, all the creation that was created. Because here resides the power within you to be that Virata great through which you become one with that and that is why I told you to put your hands towards Me because through these you can feel the Virata. You can feel that one personality through which these are the ten people or you can say that the [unclear] by which you feel it because your chakra is [unclear]. This is spoilt by so many things. People who tell lies, people who say harsh things, who have no love within them, people who smoke, with all disrespect to yourself and to others. All that relationship between you and others is spoilt by spoiling this. So the Kundalini has to rise above and come up to this, where I have a red mark. In the centre of the brain where the optic chiasma meet, where pituitary and pineal bodies are acting. The central point is a subtle chakra which you call as Agnya chakra, which you call as third eye. I don’t know what they understand by. It has a window here through which one can see is the cross on which Christ was crucified, His body was crucified. This is a very, very important centre because it controls the movement of your ego and superego. Which brings the balance between the two and when the Kundalini rises, and what is to be sought and asked for that is what you are seeking and not this in material, useless, superficial things. If you are seeking superficially I have nothing to offer. You have got everything. But you are true seekers. [unclear]. There is nothing to worry about it, it can be [unclear]. Actually in the western countries that I felt, too much of creative power and thinking power. The ego that is on the left hand side, from right hand side it goes to the left, [unclear]. And by becoming conscious of it, suddenly you are [unclear] superego [unclear]. Now both are working like this in the brain. Sometimes I feel horns will come up. The way you are thinking thinking thinking you cannot stop. When the space in between has to be achieved. There is a great love, great love and care [unclear], just the love. Sometimes I find some of you do not come to Me because it is too much of ego. [unclear] Come along. Just have a look. Open your eyes. [unclear] now you touch that point. But some of them I found out are suffering from superego. They have told me that Mother we feel we have committed sins and how do we fix these for example. You may never forgive us. But then I say that no guilt is greater than My love. I can challenge that. Only thing is if you want to give it up then you’ve given up all those things and everything can be helped. And Mother can never take charge to that extent that She cannot forgive you for that. And that is why if you are just there that’s all, you do not have to overdo anything or do anything less, just be there, be yourself and [unclear]. It has worked in many of you like that. But you have to realize it is a serious matter. In the western thing we have been working so many years now. You all have been [unclear]. What you have found out is that you do touch with my lectures, you do touch that point and you get a tremendous experience. Yes it happens. It happens, why? Because you must know what is it but then you have to achieve it yourself. By understanding yourself. Some of the things you have got have never been talked, I know. They are built up. You do not lose it at all. You also get separated no doubt. Immediately you start talking something is happened here, something is happened there. But you do not feel the vibrations all the time. Some people do not. [unclear]. All that has been described in books and [unclear]. If you do not get it, don’t be satisfied with yourself. Know it has to work. If not today then it has to clear out. But it is not just some sort of a drama going on like a pastime. Like somebody told me that we are going to have a big banquet and can you come along and give us a speech and can you explain to us everything in ten minutes. This is rather difficult. I said why do you give explanation, why do you want to call me. You can have many people like that. You can even get an entertainer who can explain. [unclear] That is how you have your realization. This is what the whole world needs and this is the answer. You have to verify. Give it a chance to work out. That’s why I told that nothing should be accepted without experience. But once you start getting the experience remember that. Keep it within you. I must say [unclear] you are really great people because you fight, you are hurt and you have problems and the things that have happened to you. Despite all that you have got your realization. The Kundalini is so great, the desire is so great that She throws away all this and She cures the [unclear]. We did not take ages to [unclear]. You have to love and understand that you are human beings specially created for this purpose. And you are the instrument of God and the responsibility of maintaining this religion rests on you people. May God bless you all. I think if we have little time we can go through the experience of it. I’ll try to say these things and probably I’ll talk a little bit but it is a very complicated subject. And it cannot be told all in such a short time. But I will go on with it and now I am going to be here for four days more for you all. And we are going to have [unclear] again and again and again. And we are going to give realization to many people. We are going to talk to you all about all these things, the subtler side, everything. But do not come to My lectures just to sort of know something and get out. You should not do that. Please come here to have something. To get something out of it. And then to give something. [unclear] My whole heart and My complete desire that today most of you [unclear]. Now if your mind is too much questioning. I do not mind if you ask Me questions. I’ll try to [unclear]. And the mind experiences are all stupid and foolish. [unclear] Last Saturday two Indians who had come. They asked such frivolous questions it spoiled the complete atmosphere of these people. This was the worst thing. By argument or by discussing you are not here. But best thing is to get it and then know it. If you have any questions we can answer it. You can write it down later. But just now keep the questions on one side because while you are making efforts you have not found it. So like a mother has told you that if you are hungry, I’ve done the cooking, you can sit down and have your food. If you are not hungry you go on asking questions. But if you are hungry [unclear]. I’ll be going to India on the 10th or 12th. And again be back in the month of February or March. And then we are going to again start these things. And we have to propagate it more in a way that is right but I do not want [unclear]

12/1/1977

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Talk on Pingala Nadi [Translation from Hindi] Many years ago, in India, people started working on Pingala Nadi. You must have heard about king Bali when Vamana incarnation took place. King Bali was a religious person. But he did YAgnya. For getting creative powers people do YAgnya. By doing YAgnya you can control five elements. Inspiration or wish for this is to take the power of the entire world into our hands. That we become Chakravarti king on this earth. Rule of demons expands in this world. Demons become powerful. Even dev has such kind of wish but due to lack of dharma in demons, their wish is more powerful. If a car does not have a break, it rolls out of control, in the same way, their wish also flows like that. Some cunning gurus used to help them in this. Surprisingly some of them were realized souls and Brahmans. Like Vishwamitra Ji was there, he only taught Bali. Like he was a pure effort. There were many impure and cunning efforts. But he had pure efforts. My efforts only you can move on Pingala Nadi. And for this effort is being told that you tap, YAgnya, and acquire the powers. It is about pleasing Brahma dev. You cannot get salvation by pleasing Brahma dev. It will not transform you or take you to new human awareness. It might give you control over five elements like water and air. Or you might get certain powers by which you can kill people. All these powers begin with mantras like Gayatri etc. And we have seven powers like this inside us which we can acquire. If we acquire it without the shadow of dharma then it can also have a negative impact as in Raja Bali. When Vishwamitra asked Raja Bali to do Tapa, he asked Brahma dev to grant a wish that he can destroy all the deva. After that, you know Vamana incarnation took place. About Vamana incarnation we know, that our powers in the middle, which we call satva guna powers, which are powers of Lord Vishnu, the powers because of which we became humans from amoeba, that power took incarnation to restore the balance. You were going on one extreme of acquiring powers, and you start killing people, such societies which we call ego-oriented societies, like the west, is ego-oriented, to kill people, to fight wars, to rule people, as Britishers rule us, America wants to rule us through economic development. Then Russian wants to rule us. At this time some Satvik power has to take birth. If that does not take birth then these people will suppress the entire world with their ego. Although their welfare does not take place. And after that, they go directly to hell only. But all those who are killed, butchered, all the calamities that come, people suffer, in that many saints also get destroyed. Many people go into hell. They keep on nurturing their demonic powers and in the process, they do not realize that they are harming others. We are burdening others with our selfish interests and destroying them also. I can see the social arrangements in the present time. In the entire world, society has become ego-oriented. In our country, we can talk about balance. The first thing in balance is that we need to awaken dharma inside us. Vaishnavi powers can awaken dharma inside us. When dharma awakens in a human being then he can leave anything extreme inside him. When your country is running after development, you should see the countries who think they are highly developed and happy, in reality, they are not at all happy. In Kalyuga by God's grace, you come to know about anything happening in any corner of the world. There is a place called Bermuda triangle, you must have heard the name, it is like the gate of hell. How is the gate of hell? Many people are made slaves over there. People of many countries are traded as slaves over there. Sobs and grief of people traded over there have settled there and that grief has made the Bermuda triangle. These demonic powers can come for many reasons. Like you have heard these days there are Anand Margi people. There are many such people. And all the gurus are involved in such trades. Some of these do work on Ida Nadi (Left channel) but many works from Pingala Nadi (Right Channel) also. They have attained powers by which they bring dead people from Pingala Nadi in their collective superconscious and then get their work done from you. Becoming too dynamic, becoming far more progressive than the progress of the world, if everyone in the world is poor, in that one person becomes rich, all such things we call it cancer. It is a malignancy. Too much growth of one cell is malignancy. Such a cell when touches another cell is also malignancy. A person sees another person growing, so he thinks I also grow. He doesn't look at what his life in reality is. How he is living his life. What is the condition of his house? How happy he is? Just he has money so I also should have money. Then another person seeing him says even I want money. If he has power, it has become prime minister I also want to become prime minister. If he has become a governor then I also want to become governor. In this way, this malignancy spreads. In satvik life a person gets satisfaction. He lives in satisfaction. Because he is in his dharma. He seeks happiness from his dharma. Now in Sahaja Yoga, you can understand how much happiness you get in Dharma. You can keep the entire wealth and power of the world on one side, but the happiness you get from Dharma is invaluable. Nothing is bigger than that happiness in the world. You know that in Sahaja Yoga many people left alcohol suddenly. When peace and love of God residing in our heart starts flowing inside us, then such things automatically subside. I don’t need to give any lecture or put any effort, it all leaves on its own. Source of happiness changes and because of that our priorities changes. This is a big advantage of Sahaja Yoga. Because of this, your dharma gets established. Until you don’t establish your dharma till then you will not enjoy Sahaja yoga. Hypocrisy doesn’t work in it. Dharma is established inside us. We know in Nabhi Chakra dharma is established. If there is some problem in dharma at nabhi chakra, then no matter how much Sahaja Yoga you do, you will not get results. That is why first you shall establish your dharma. For this, I have told you many solutions. Now when our country is growing, we are coming at par with rich countries, then our countrymen should think, that all those things which are in them shall come inside us? Or we should balance something from our side. This thought is very important. We are in search of joy and we shall not make ourselves in such a way that our powers overpower others. Nor do we want to become such people who harass other people. When you get realization in Sahaja yoga, and after that when you establish your dharma, then you see you don’t get money, but Lakshmi. Lakshmi comes inside you. Money doesn’t come but Lakshmi comes. There is a huge difference between Lakshmi and money. I have told you many times the difference between money and Lakshmi. Lakshmi brings satisfaction and pride. It is quite different to be Lakshmipati than having money. In the old-time when the torture of Bali increased, Vamana avatar came to kill him. Then Devi killed Mahishasura. When Devi killed mahishasura, her wife cried a lot and went to please Brahmadeva. There is no big deal to please Brahmadeva. She did jap and tap to please Brahma deva. In our body also when you will see our nerve is long on one side and is half on another side. If someone fills this gap by trying, then he or she can become powerful. When people do hath yoga or tap and jap, they can get such powers. That devil also got such powers. She said Brahma deva to give her such powers that neither shiva nor Vishnu could defeat her. Both powers could not work on her give her such powers. And she was a devil. And she killed all the devils. Then mother of the devils Aditi started crying. After that a child was born and how that child destroyed Mahishasura. At that time also they did the same thing, they pleased Brahmadeva by doing jap and tap. And Brahmadev gives blessings according to his nature that you may get powers. You get physical strength and mental strength. You will not get the power of love. You will get the power of the brain and body. By getting such powers you can rule on the body and mind of other people. Such a person will look extremely intelligent and show such things that people will think that he is a very powerful person. In Sahaja yoga, Brahmadev is in control and does not give such power to people. So devils thought when we cannot get such powers from Brahmadeva, let us go to collective supra-conscious and use people dead over there to get such powers. They are using all these things in trans etc. all these things. They are freezing the kundalini of the people. The moment kundalini sees that they are going to bhoots, she converts itself to ice. Though, surprisingly, I have given realization to many of their followers in London. They also got a realization. So, we can control the powers of Brahmadeva. We can control the powers of Brahmadeva and the powers of Shivji, powers of Mahakali can also be controlled by us. You don’t know but you have already done it. You have done it for a long. You take out caches of other people. You do it with the help of Mahakali powers. You would not have noticed but many of you have started getting unique ideas and started doing new things. Like those who have never done decoration before, they have got a lot of creativity and have started doing decoration work for Sahaja also. All this is due to the powers of Brahmadeva. But in the present times, we need to use Vaishnavi powers more as it is their rule. We have to work for the welfare of the entire world. We have to give realization to the entire world. We have to spread Sahaja Yoga in the entire world. So, we have to use these Vaishnavi powers. When we attach Vaishnavi powers with other powers then all this works. I will tell you a small thing. Like it has started in Rahuri. People of Rahuri thought they want to start a school of Sahaja Yoga. But before that those people started giving their powers to the elements. They vibrate the water and called it tirth. They use that in gardening, planting fruits, treating diseases of fruits and seeds. They have started giving vibrations to the cow and by that cow has started giving milk. In this work it out. If you open a school of Sahaja Yoga, you can work it out through the kids. You have to build schools based on Indian cultural values like a simple lifestyle. Those kids will be very satisfied. In ego-oriented societies, men do not have any manners. They do not have any consciousness. We can see what kind of clothes women are wearing. Kind of clothes they roam in. There is no wisdom in man. They look so cheap. There is no difference between prostitutes and women. Everything is there in their thoughts. In ego-oriented societies dharma of the man is getting destroyed. Human beings are getting away from their dharma. Whenever you go to the extreme your dharma will get destroyed. When dharma breaks, society breaks. On the breaking of society, everything gets destroyed. When society gets destroyed every person will get separated. Then like it happens abroad, people get involved in drugs, spirit, and so on. In the present time, you can see a beautiful map of ego-oriented society. Children are crying in the house and women are playing cards. They do not have any love for kids. Girls make themselves the center of attraction as if they are prostitutes. They do not have any self-respect. They become so ill-mannered that we are surprised by how people are behaving. But all this has been mentioned in Purana that in Kalyuga people will go were. In kali yuga, there is the extremism of Rajo Gun because of which this has happened. Earlier also this uses to happen. But earlier one or two kings, a person or one Hitler used to become like this, but now in Kalyuga, every person has become ego oriented. Like cancer has spread in the entire body. Now the balance will come by Dharma. You will have to establish yourselves in Dharma. Because of this, you will have to leave three main things told by everyone. The first thing is alcohol. Alcohol kills your dharma because it kills your consciousness. The second thing is Tobacco. Tobacco is a vegetable form of devil. The moment you take tobacco or any other addictive thing, you go to the left side. The moment you go on the left side, it gives you a swing and you become ego-oriented. A person who has drunk alcohol speaks all non-sense. With a swing, you come to the other side and you become ego oriented. In this way, the balance works. You keep swinging from one extreme to another extreme and it keeps on increasing. So second thing is tobacco etc any addictive drug, even taking tablets for sleeping is prohibited. I have told you these two things especially. The third thing is money. Putting too much attention on money is very harmful. When you go towards money you become far away from Lakshmi. When your attention is too much on money then things like going on race, playing cards, things in which you earn money, money has become a competitive thing. It will tangle your attention. You think it will entertain you but you can never get entertained with money. You will become more and more unhappy. And you will get stuck in the marsh so much that you won’t be able to come out of it and you will not also know about it. I have seen so many old women of 80, 90 years, who are just playing cards always. An ant is better than them. What is the use of such a life in which you are always playing card? It is a black spot. Such life has no use in this world. It seems that God almighty has created insects. 80-90 years old women are playing cards with money. They call it an adjustment. These three things will never fit in dharma. Even if you see it superficially then also it is a lie. Like I have told you about places of depth in dharma, you can listen about it later, you have to set yourself on those places. But these are three basic things, a person who does these three things it is very difficult for them to set in dharma. In Sahaja yoga, such people cannot come, as you know we have many limited people over here. Because Mataji says don’t do this, don’t do that. People want convenient gurus, that give me your money and then do whatever you want to do. Another subtle thing in an ego-oriented society is sex. In that human being just deteriorates. He feels he has one woman with him so he shall have ten. He just keeps on searching everywhere. Like in cards his attention is on money, in the same way, his attention is on women. His eyes are not stable, it keeps on moving. It is moving all the time. What can Sahaja yoga give to such anxious and unstable attention? First, you have to build your self-respect. A person who has not made self-respect, how his self will awaken. Self-respect is very important. How can you expose your dignity to everyone? It is a subtle thing that people can’t understand. They get stuck in its detailing. The person does not know about it, but these small things get set inside him and when the time comes it blasts. Then news comes in the newspaper that this person met her there and so on. What is there in it? What fun you had in it? I don’t find such people nor happy neither satisfied. We should set our ideals, that this is our ideal. Our ideals should be such which are same inside, out. Many people say that we respect Shastri Ji. I said ok, but you don't have any of his ideals in your life. How do you believe in them? We believe in Gandhiji but do not wish to follow the basic foundation of his ideals. If you believe them to be ideals then you should follow their teachings. If you believe them to be ideal, you move forward with their name. if you are following them just for your name and fame that you are a gandhiwadi, then you are a hypocrite. The moment self-respect will awaken inside you, you will be able to save your ideals and bring them inside you. There is no difference between a normal human being and a person of values and virtues. There is no difference. A normal human being can also become it. There is no difficulty in it. Especially you people. You people have found your ideals. But you will have to stand on your ideals. There is no need to be shy about it. Like other people roam around in the world, you don't have to roam around. You live in your way. Stand on your ideals. Stand on your self-respect and say confidently that only this is truth and everything else is false. As time passes, the truth will manifest from you and people will say, what a wonderful person, completely transparent. He does what he speaks. He doesn’t need to ask. And you will find that you are worth worshiping. Many rich people are not worth worshiping. The moment they turn around, people start criticizing them. You are worth worshiping because of your qualities. And people who have qualities only they can develop them. For those who do not have any qualities, then me shouting or giving realization will not make any difference as with time kundalini will fall back again. Today I thought I would not speak anything. Because due to speaking my throat has become sore. Now till you people will not work it out, nothing will improve. You should do some work. Sit in meditation every day. These days I am here, there is a lot of vibrations. Till you won't absorb it, my health will not improve. You should go deep inside you; you should dive deep into Sahaja Yoga. And what is the advantage of it, the advantage is that you will go to that place where there is peace.

Talk on Pingala Nadi [Translation from Hindi] Many years ago, in India, people started working on Pingala Nadi. You must have heard about king Bali when Vamana incarnation took place. King Bali was a religious person. But he did YAgnya. For getting creative powers people do YAgnya. By doing YAgnya you can control five elements. Inspiration or wish for this is to take the power of the entire world into our hands. That we become Chakravarti king on this earth. Rule of demons expands in this world. Demons become powerful. Even dev has such kind of wish but due to lack of dharma in demons, their wish is more powerful. If a car does not have a break, it rolls out of control, in the same way, their wish also flows like that. Some cunning gurus used to help them in this. Surprisingly some of them were realized souls and Brahmans. Like Vishwamitra Ji was there, he only taught Bali. Like he was a pure effort. There were many impure and cunning efforts. But he had pure efforts. My efforts only you can move on Pingala Nadi. And for this effort is being told that you tap, YAgnya, and acquire the powers. It is about pleasing Brahma dev. You cannot get salvation by pleasing Brahma dev. It will not transform you or take you to new human awareness. It might give you control over five elements like water and air. Or you might get certain powers by which you can kill people. All these powers begin with mantras like Gayatri etc. And we have seven powers like this inside us which we can acquire. If we acquire it without the shadow of dharma then it can also have a negative impact as in Raja Bali. When Vishwamitra asked Raja Bali to do Tapa, he asked Brahma dev to grant a wish that he can destroy all the deva. After that, you know Vamana incarnation took place. About Vamana incarnation we know, that our powers in the middle, which we call satva guna powers, which are powers of Lord Vishnu, the powers because of which we became humans from amoeba, that power took incarnation to restore the balance. You were going on one extreme of acquiring powers, and you start killing people, such societies which we call ego-oriented societies, like the west, is ego-oriented, to kill people, to fight wars, to rule people, as Britishers rule us, America wants to rule us through economic development. Then Russian wants to rule us. At this time some Satvik power has to take birth. If that does not take birth then these people will suppress the entire world with their ego. Although their welfare does not take place. And after that, they go directly to hell only. But all those who are killed, butchered, all the calamities that come, people suffer, in that many saints also get destroyed. Many people go into hell. They keep on nurturing their demonic powers and in the process, they do not realize that they are harming others. We are burdening others with our selfish interests and destroying them also. I can see the social arrangements in the present time. In the entire world, society has become ego-oriented. In our country, we can talk about balance. The first thing in balance is that we need to awaken dharma inside us. Vaishnavi powers can awaken dharma inside us. When dharma awakens in a human being then he can leave anything extreme inside him. When your country is running after development, you should see the countries who think they are highly developed and happy, in reality, they are not at all happy. In Kalyuga by God's grace, you come to know about anything happening in any corner of the world. There is a place called Bermuda triangle, you must have heard the name, it is like the gate of hell. How is the gate of hell? Many people are made slaves over there. People of many countries are traded as slaves over there. Sobs and grief of people traded over there have settled there and that grief has made the Bermuda triangle. These demonic powers can come for many reasons. Like you have heard these days there are Anand Margi people. There are many such people. And all the gurus are involved in such trades. Some of these do work on Ida Nadi (Left channel) but many works from Pingala Nadi (Right Channel) also. They have attained powers by which they bring dead people from Pingala Nadi in their collective superconscious and then get their work done from you. Becoming too dynamic, becoming far more progressive than the progress of the world, if everyone in the world is poor, in that one person becomes rich, all such things we call it cancer. It is a malignancy. Too much growth of one cell is malignancy. Such a cell when touches another cell is also malignancy. A person sees another person growing, so he thinks I also grow. He doesn't look at what his life in reality is. How he is living his life. What is the condition of his house? How happy he is? Just he has money so I also should have money. Then another person seeing him says even I want money. If he has power, it has become prime minister I also want to become prime minister. If he has become a governor then I also want to become governor. In this way, this malignancy spreads. In satvik life a person gets satisfaction. He lives in satisfaction. Because he is in his dharma. He seeks happiness from his dharma. Now in Sahaja Yoga, you can understand how much happiness you get in Dharma. You can keep the entire wealth and power of the world on one side, but the happiness you get from Dharma is invaluable. Nothing is bigger than that happiness in the world. You know that in Sahaja Yoga many people left alcohol suddenly. When peace and love of God residing in our heart starts flowing inside us, then such things automatically subside. I don’t need to give any lecture or put any effort, it all leaves on its own. Source of happiness changes and because of that our priorities changes. This is a big advantage of Sahaja Yoga. Because of this, your dharma gets established. Until you don’t establish your dharma till then you will not enjoy Sahaja yoga. Hypocrisy doesn’t work in it. Dharma is established inside us. We know in Nabhi Chakra dharma is established. If there is some problem in dharma at nabhi chakra, then no matter how much Sahaja Yoga you do, you will not get results. That is why first you shall establish your dharma. For this, I have told you many solutions. Now when our country is growing, we are coming at par with rich countries, then our countrymen should think, that all those things which are in them shall come inside us? Or we should balance something from our side. This thought is very important. We are in search of joy and we shall not make ourselves in such a way that our powers overpower others. Nor do we want to become such people who harass other people. When you get realization in Sahaja yoga, and after that when you establish your dharma, then you see you don’t get money, but Lakshmi. Lakshmi comes inside you. Money doesn’t come but Lakshmi comes. There is a huge difference between Lakshmi and money. I have told you many times the difference between money and Lakshmi. Lakshmi brings satisfaction and pride. It is quite different to be Lakshmipati than having money. In the old-time when the torture of Bali increased, Vamana avatar came to kill him. Then Devi killed Mahishasura. When Devi killed mahishasura, her wife cried a lot and went to please Brahmadeva. There is no big deal to please Brahmadeva. She did jap and tap to please Brahma deva. In our body also when you will see our nerve is long on one side and is half on another side. If someone fills this gap by trying, then he or she can become powerful. When people do hath yoga or tap and jap, they can get such powers. That devil also got such powers. She said Brahma deva to give her such powers that neither shiva nor Vishnu could defeat her. Both powers could not work on her give her such powers. And she was a devil. And she killed all the devils. Then mother of the devils Aditi started crying. After that a child was born and how that child destroyed Mahishasura. At that time also they did the same thing, they pleased Brahmadeva by doing jap and tap. And Brahmadev gives blessings according to his nature that you may get powers. You get physical strength and mental strength. You will not get the power of love. You will get the power of the brain and body. By getting such powers you can rule on the body and mind of other people. Such a person will look extremely intelligent and show such things that people will think that he is a very powerful person. In Sahaja yoga, Brahmadev is in control and does not give such power to people. So devils thought when we cannot get such powers from Brahmadeva, let us go to collective supra-conscious and use people dead over there to get such powers. They are using all these things in trans etc. all these things. They are freezing the kundalini of the people. The moment kundalini sees that they are going to bhoots, she converts itself to ice. Though, surprisingly, I have given realization to many of their followers in London. They also got a realization. So, we can control the powers of Brahmadeva. We can control the powers of Brahmadeva and the powers of Shivji, powers of Mahakali can also be controlled by us. You don’t know but you have already done it. You have done it for a long. You take out caches of other people. You do it with the help of Mahakali powers. You would not have noticed but many of you have started getting unique ideas and started doing new things. Like those who have never done decoration before, they have got a lot of creativity and have started doing decoration work for Sahaja also. All this is due to the powers of Brahmadeva. But in the present times, we need to use Vaishnavi powers more as it is their rule. We have to work for the welfare of the entire world. We have to give realization to the entire world. We have to spread Sahaja Yoga in the entire world. So, we have to use these Vaishnavi powers. When we attach Vaishnavi powers with other powers then all this works. I will tell you a small thing. Like it has started in Rahuri. People of Rahuri thought they want to start a school of Sahaja Yoga. But before that those people started giving their powers to the elements. They vibrate the water and called it tirth. They use that in gardening, planting fruits, treating diseases of fruits and seeds. They have started giving vibrations to the cow and by that cow has started giving milk. In this work it out. If you open a school of Sahaja Yoga, you can work it out through the kids. You have to build schools based on Indian cultural values like a simple lifestyle. Those kids will be very satisfied. In ego-oriented societies, men do not have any manners. They do not have any consciousness. We can see what kind of clothes women are wearing. Kind of clothes they roam in. There is no wisdom in man. They look so cheap. There is no difference between prostitutes and women. Everything is there in their thoughts. In ego-oriented societies dharma of the man is getting destroyed. Human beings are getting away from their dharma. Whenever you go to the extreme your dharma will get destroyed. When dharma breaks, society breaks. On the breaking of society, everything gets destroyed. When society gets destroyed every person will get separated. Then like it happens abroad, people get involved in drugs, spirit, and so on. In the present time, you can see a beautiful map of ego-oriented society. Children are crying in the house and women are playing cards. They do not have any love for kids. Girls make themselves the center of attraction as if they are prostitutes. They do not have any self-respect. They become so ill-mannered that we are surprised by how people are behaving. But all this has been mentioned in Purana that in Kalyuga people will go were. In kali yuga, there is the extremism of Rajo Gun because of which this has happened. Earlier also this uses to happen. But earlier one or two kings, a person or one Hitler used to become like this, but now in Kalyuga, every person has become ego oriented. Like cancer has spread in the entire body. Now the balance will come by Dharma. You will have to establish yourselves in Dharma. Because of this, you will have to leave three main things told by everyone. The first thing is alcohol. Alcohol kills your dharma because it kills your consciousness. The second thing is Tobacco. Tobacco is a vegetable form of devil. The moment you take tobacco or any other addictive thing, you go to the left side. The moment you go on the left side, it gives you a swing and you become ego-oriented. A person who has drunk alcohol speaks all non-sense. With a swing, you come to the other side and you become ego oriented. In this way, the balance works. You keep swinging from one extreme to another extreme and it keeps on increasing. So second thing is tobacco etc any addictive drug, even taking tablets for sleeping is prohibited. I have told you these two things especially. The third thing is money. Putting too much attention on money is very harmful. When you go towards money you become far away from Lakshmi. When your attention is too much on money then things like going on race, playing cards, things in which you earn money, money has become a competitive thing. It will tangle your attention. You think it will entertain you but you can never get entertained with money. You will become more and more unhappy. And you will get stuck in the marsh so much that you won’t be able to come out of it and you will not also know about it. I have seen so many old women of 80, 90 years, who are just playing cards always. An ant is better than them. What is the use of such a life in which you are always playing card? It is a black spot. Such life has no use in this world. It seems that God almighty has created insects. 80-90 years old women are playing cards with money. They call it an adjustment. These three things will never fit in dharma. Even if you see it superficially then also it is a lie. Like I have told you about places of depth in dharma, you can listen about it later, you have to set yourself on those places. But these are three basic things, a person who does these three things it is very difficult for them to set in dharma. In Sahaja yoga, such people cannot come, as you know we have many limited people over here. Because Mataji says don’t do this, don’t do that. People want convenient gurus, that give me your money and then do whatever you want to do. Another subtle thing in an ego-oriented society is sex. In that human being just deteriorates. He feels he has one woman with him so he shall have ten. He just keeps on searching everywhere. Like in cards his attention is on money, in the same way, his attention is on women. His eyes are not stable, it keeps on moving. It is moving all the time. What can Sahaja yoga give to such anxious and unstable attention? First, you have to build your self-respect. A person who has not made self-respect, how his self will awaken. Self-respect is very important. How can you expose your dignity to everyone? It is a subtle thing that people can’t understand. They get stuck in its detailing. The person does not know about it, but these small things get set inside him and when the time comes it blasts. Then news comes in the newspaper that this person met her there and so on. What is there in it? What fun you had in it? I don’t find such people nor happy neither satisfied. We should set our ideals, that this is our ideal. Our ideals should be such which are same inside, out. Many people say that we respect Shastri Ji. I said ok, but you don't have any of his ideals in your life. How do you believe in them? We believe in Gandhiji but do not wish to follow the basic foundation of his ideals. If you believe them to be ideals then you should follow their teachings. If you believe them to be ideal, you move forward with their name. if you are following them just for your name and fame that you are a gandhiwadi, then you are a hypocrite. The moment self-respect will awaken inside you, you will be able to save your ideals and bring them inside you. There is no difference between a normal human being and a person of values and virtues. There is no difference. A normal human being can also become it. There is no difficulty in it. Especially you people. You people have found your ideals. But you will have to stand on your ideals. There is no need to be shy about it. Like other people roam around in the world, you don't have to roam around. You live in your way. Stand on your ideals. Stand on your self-respect and say confidently that only this is truth and everything else is false. As time passes, the truth will manifest from you and people will say, what a wonderful person, completely transparent. He does what he speaks. He doesn’t need to ask. And you will find that you are worth worshiping. Many rich people are not worth worshiping. The moment they turn around, people start criticizing them. You are worth worshiping because of your qualities. And people who have qualities only they can develop them. For those who do not have any qualities, then me shouting or giving realization will not make any difference as with time kundalini will fall back again. Today I thought I would not speak anything. Because due to speaking my throat has become sore. Now till you people will not work it out, nothing will improve. You should do some work. Sit in meditation every day. These days I am here, there is a lot of vibrations. Till you won't absorb it, my health will not improve. You should go deep inside you; you should dive deep into Sahaja Yoga. And what is the advantage of it, the advantage is that you will go to that place where there is peace.

12/1/1977

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Talk in Stockwell, 1977-12-01 Shri Mataji: It goes down and again it goes up, again goes down like that, such stairs like clouds, but sometimes pierce it with forces then you get this kind of experience, it is very very exciting experience, I should say,Yogis: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: we better be seat for some questions, because we give them the realization to begin with, he’s the only one who has not got, who has come has first time, New comer: Shri Mataji: First let's give them the realization and then we will see, you come here, can you sit on the ground for a while?And who else?She's all right there, where you stay, they do particular thing in particular manner, to your Kundalini to any chakrasAnd What I have to do is to master the map of curingEvery time I find a new Guru, now this time your Guru Rajo is absolute new fellow, But I will manage that also. Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mathai: its wrong, its terrible, absolutely wrong, what is wrong i will tell you, very simple thing, that sex has nothing to do with God, Sex is not meant for achieve your higher needs, that's for Basics not for sahaja, sex is no part at all, in counter, you have to first be an innocent person, when you coming for the self-realization Because Kundalini is your own mother And you would not like to have anything to do with her, It is absurd, it is perversion, and this is what its, by doing all this things they put sex on the mother, she is only mother you have and you are the only child she has, and she keep on with you, through for all days together, for all years together, for ages together, in all your birth she has been with you, It is insult her like this , is too, I mean, one of the greatest sin’s you can insult her, and that to Kundalini is in purest form of mother earth New comer: I don’t understand the connection between, [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: New comerShri Mataji: gururajThis is sex part, now then heart, he says you give your heart towards the mandlai, but now, the thing is unless until you are connected, how can you do? You see, if you try to say i tell you that you must telephone to someone, and the connection is in some obstruction, and what do you do than? New comer: The connection must be there some extend...Shri Mataji: no not at all, its not at all, you see that mean, you must understand, the connection of God is in a very different manner, you see , we are guide through all that, as you all are saints that’s why, but you living completely freedom choose, you have to have completely freedom, otherwise you do not choose , chose in freedom, means completely freedom you have to do, Absolutely you will be surprised , If you want you can hit yourself , If you want you can ask your boon to hit yourself or if you want you can ask for rise, So its absolutely freedom giving to you, There's no no not at all, he doesn’t hold you hand anywhere, of course if you are a good man if you understand, if you are religious man, he is there to guide you, he is there to help you, he is there look after you, but he will not in any way give you a guidance that will you hamper your freedom, you are free to choose, because you have to develop , you see if you are teaching somebody swimming, first you tell him all right, do little bit like this, then you just leave him there, and in that time you have to leave , completely, in the same way, in the earliest ages we are animals he look after us, he hold our hands, he take us down and doing everything , when we are human beings and all, we try, otherwise you won’t be good swimmers, first of all you have to be good swimmers, so completely freedom is giving to . you see completely freedom is giving, that’s why we don’t understand, and so much complete the he cannot supersede our freedom, you know that, supposing you don’t want get the realization.... [UNCLEAR]…. Your freedom is beyond, in this you are supreme, imagine, how he has…[UNCLEAR]… so you just tell him, you have to get your realization, realization you get by your freedom, when you understand what is wisdom. Not to go to extremes, not to be so frankly, the way we are frankly. (come along come along, here is a lot of space, how are you? He is all the time enjoy, I can see that clearly, very good.So that the finger has to be, that has bestowed on us, because we are responsible, God thinks us we are matured enough, that’s why he gives us and how does he has Judged our maturity? Its Only but it's only by free, a complete, so when that he says, so that you take your heart put on the mandala, you see, then what happens? Absolutely, first of you have no Authority, He's not fanatic, Everybody’s heart you cannot, Kundalini is on the base here is in the Triangular bone, what is the use of to put hearts somewhere, and when the Kundalini standing here, what do you all put in there, Kundalini supposed to be the coin of the thing, It’s place that site, and now what do you take out from here, maybe some other instrument made required later, it is absolutely mishandling of this instrument, completely mishandling Yogis: what he was saying, working on some particular block / what he is saying that to some extend, Kundalini must flow anywhere, otherwise he would not have realized, there some blocks in the palm Shri Mataji: you can see if a person is not realized, his Kundalini is sleeping, he does not even know the basis, He doesn't even know the basis of Kundalini, his Kundalini is sleeping, she sleeping like… we knew is never flowing, its weak, till the water of love comes to the Kundalini , till she is sure, she is not going to flowing, she is waiting for her time, is not all the time flowing, its wrong, its wrong idea, absolutly wrong, she pauses, its written down in all scriptures if he has read any scripture about kundalini, its said dormant being , she is lying there, absolutely sleeping in such sleeping condition, in some of them, in his case, its frozen,You see it might be, when first time I saw his photograf, I felt that he might have been a realized soul, might have been, I felt that way, but in the way of good or such realized person, he come ambitions like that, without going deeping it to it, he starts his working, and kundalini now is frozen, and now perso, even you get realization. I have got people got realization to sahaja yoga, some of them, they went back into hell. If you have to go further on then you have to know, that is only can with Dhyan, by going deep into it understand it, what is that properly, i can put you to connection, alright. But i can not keep you there, you can fall down, its fall many people, Specially the people have come from Gurus, you yourself will easy on... , when you working on people you will find. Falls down, then you have to take it up and then tight , oly can a realized can do it, nobody else, you see, now mandala also, mantras I should say, its big science, its living science, do we understand the meaning of the word living science, we don't understand, living science is means, a kundalini rises, in your case, supposing it has coming into your Angina chakra just now, its in the Angina, it might falls down, it possible, its a living science, because its living , it not a ritual again, its going down all the time, means you have to stop at Agyna, so you have to, whatever mantra you to do is ...not a fact, whatever it is, its very simple thing to understand, supposing you have gone to the car, not you are stacking up say in a ticket day, you are calling the police from some other place, its wrong, you have to call the people in Delhi to help you out, they are not supposing to ….So first thing you have to know where is your kundalini, that’s he does not know, he does not know how to rise, all right, he does not know which chakra … hallo to a new comer Yogis: this is Martin, he has not been here before, he is a friend of … Shri Mataji: you see this is the thing, you can not just conceptualize it, you can not programmed it, its work on it own, where ever its the problem, both the cases, right heart, left heart, just know the kundalini move that like that jag jag..., and then its not move up, because, spreading into this to places which are spoiled, you have move the energy whatever was there to such a extend a big…..to be alright, To be sustained, so the kundalini moves there, to be sustained, Can we have Martin here, with that you are alright, you can put your hands, while speaking it will work out, then kundalini fills it, repair it, and then goes up.Like river flow, if it finds their ditches are around, it fills the ditches, the flow is less, then again after fills then another fold comes up, then it goes up to agyna, from Agyna it spread like this, it goes down again,but some people who have very simple kundalini, simple thing, just shoot up, they never even loose, we have many cases like that, just like that, just there, never a problem, so we have style, style and types, but they only problem is, they got so much identified, that’s very difficult, they don’t do good to you, the spoiled your kundalini and you are identified, such trouble for me, to get you identified to make you understand,now what should be expect, you see is the thing, we must know what we have to expect from the kundalini, now all the scripture, scriptures , not dictum , not anybody writing about kundalini, like Evian has write such a big book, you know there is a book written by Mr. Alba, such a big book, i never read it, but there is ambassador has read, and he told me , most surprising that this gentle man has wrote that kundalini, you see is start from the center, and it goes like this in front side, you see, through white circle plexus all that, its gross. its fundamental thing that its in such subtle way, as much as I know, there is no scripture in this style. I’m sure, I’m sorry, to such detail, to such, nobody has, of course part of it have been described, all thatAt least You should remember one thing, that when the kundalini rises, that you should see the pulsation rises, validation of the people should take place, you must going into thoughtless awareness, when you jump, when you cross this point here, you got soft here, you get cool breeze, in the hands also cool , it describe by Adishankarachya, Adishankaracharya, new ones are most are boggle people, the less the better, he was telling me one of them was a smuggler, so you can imagine what other fellow brahmacharies has getting now,So this is how there, what do we expect, that’s collective consciously, that’s is what we need to achieve, samuhit, now the thing is,even when you read scriptures like that, in that you will say..., ascription that kundalini is giving by secretive manner, but is very clear, for example, they will say I will appear before you as thousands tons of flams.Like Christ had said, somebody touched him, that my energy has passed through him, its clear cut thing, absolutely clear, and one who has authority, despite, i would like to say, one who take that, he would not understand why what was happen, but gradually he will not. I have see great saints, like KerntNirmala, he can not give realization the way you can give, he takes at least 5 to 6 years, for one person, he works, but now he fed up, he works for one person for 25 years, but now I’m fed up, I asking his stories, He said put everything in tape And he says, this fellow, I’m fed up, you are mother you are the Shakti, you can give, now I’m fed up, I’m not giving anyone realization.I said why, he was very angry, you see I give him 25 years of my precious life, one by one raised, i cleared his kundalini, did everything, now he become fundamental he is running after money…This fellow happens to me once, one of my disciple she has invited him, she says shri mataji has coming, would you like to met her?When he gets up he touched my feet, he knows who I am, so is alright, I was just ignore, he talks like something, he said my Guru has lost his power, I said why? you see i asking him to come to Mumbai must see Mataji,Why you here? Why you say something against your Guru?You shouldn’t say, because you know he did so much for you, and you talk ill about him.You should not have down,He said no no, because you know, he was like this, like that, he was telling.So I plan tricks on him, now I’m going away, so...I will put some tikka on you, so I put tikka on him, so…and now you can put some on me, as soon as he put his hand here, i sucked it, you see, then he says, Mataji what are doing, the whole body start shake, so now please promise that you will not say a word against your Guru, because he is a great ...he joined ...[UNCLEAR]..., so that he born again, about him I’m telling you. Shri Mataji: Hello, come alongAbout him he was telling, so now I’m not going, for 12 years …and when my Sahaja yogis went there, so he said how many of you raised your hand, how many you will give their life to Mataji?Like that he will talk… Yogis: I feel so sorry…Shri Mataja: its alright…Shri Mataji: what are you saying?Yogis: just need be care for, this table…Shri Mataji: I have never seing…I have not seeing many of them, actually they know about me,they talk about me, somebody goes there abroad, Himalayas also somebody told me, but I don't know who are they, but if I meet them, this happen I know, this fellow has…, because they their kundalini is not established, first they will never establish, because its greatest sin, New comer: but he is terribly confusing…Shri Mataji: but one thing I tell you… what is your name again?New comer: my name is RobertShri Mataji: Robert, I tell you one thing, Kundalini you can not understand to your brain, firstly.Let it happened, let it happened, that's the thing you are born for, you get from me…you can’t not rationalize it, its confuse, because you can not understand something unlimited to limited, that's means to your brain,New comer: that is easy to accept, when once that …Shri Mataji: but let it happen, let it happen, you just let it happen, you just allow your self to be that, alright, let happen.Because that's very important, the more you corporate with me, the better it will be, it just to allow, you tell your mind, you have let me no where, you keep quite for a while, its horse you know, its naughty one, it knows its master, if you allow me to eat grass, he will eat grass, but you tell him, now, please be care for, be alert, because I have to go ahead, just tell him behave your self, it will work out.the mind is very tricky, like monkey, so don't play in the hands of monkey, because it has let you know where. Just now you listen, it will work out, when once workout, then you tell me, means I was much worse than you… Shri Mataji laugh…he argued with me for how many days… I think for 2 days something like that, at late, and now he is alright, I want you to share that, all right?Shri Mataji: Ha, so, how is it? Its left out…New comer: and enrootedShri Mataji: apart of that did you did Hatha yoga, all that?New comer: I did TM before yearsShri Mataji, TM?New comer: before 4 years Shri Mataji: you keep your eyes open, you cannot close your eyes before me, if you tried to close your eyes, then it will go on like that, all of them has the same problem, you can ask Angina, she has the same problem, she can tell you.Now you are alright Angina??Nothing upsetting now, we managed that, I’m so very happy to big …in India, because not one person from that horrible TM I could give realization, only one person we give, and…he is only after, artiest, musicians, all the big business people, all the bureaucrats,Shri Mataji: Are you an artiest,Newcomer: no, I’m an actorShri Mathai: are you better, just see him, he will get the fastest, because he has not been any Gurus. He is alrightNew comer: I think he just got same problem as meShri Mataji: that's all, that's all, New comer: why did you said horrible TM, I did TM for 8 years, enjoyed so much Shri Mataji: that's the thing, you see, one enjoyed drink very much, alcoholism, its like drinking only, turn around, turn around, you will see that, but you will say the same thing, when someone come from TM you will not saying thing, no no I’m not put my hands towards them, you will get burned, just asking her like this burning, hands like this coming, look their faces, you see that…All kinds of terrible acting are going on there…Yogis: so stronglyShri Mataji: deeply, very deepYogis: you can ask Saska,Shri Maatji: you see, is it? now, would you hold your breath, put both hands at my feet, hold your breath, lets see.Yogis : laughing….Shri Mataji: what happened?Yogis: Shri Mataji we got a gift in the bag…laughing…lovely, this is beautiful, come on…Shri Mataji: oh God! Thank you, thank you very much!! May God bless you!!How are you…your visitors?Yogis: laughing…Shri Mataji: hold your breath,Yogis: peaceShri Mataji: now ?Yogis: now is better,Shri Mataji: now you can give up your breath…Shri Mataji: now, lift it up, now better?Yogis: now its much better, it should be… he smokes soShri Mataji: you smoke?New comer: he thinks…Shri Mataji: he got Asthma, that's all, not mine…You come to my lecture?New comer: I’m just come…[UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: how did you come,New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: I think what happen when, how??New comer: I come from the underground,Shri Mataji: underground, and how did you come here? somebody told you about me?New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Yogis: picture, music…laughingShri Mataji: so, a lot of area left here…little area lifts there, little area left …down below, the are left say is the area the hell, but it had got 7 strata, the hell exist absolutely, is very well described by Mahavira, who was contemporary powerful Buddha…he has described very clearly, what is the hell. I would not like to describe, it so filth, so dangerous, so violent, its terrible, when they say that people go to hell, really they do, its existence, which worse than that of we can say, but a stone at least not aware, but here you are aware of.Now you think your self as you are, what you are with your human awareness, and if you made to live in the cutter, this is nothing, this is nothing than what hell is, if you made lying inside with your head into the cutter, its nothing than what I’m describe, its nothing…its thousand time worse Then there 7 strata’s, in which there different different type of hells, one worse than the others, its like reform school of very intensive style, certain intensive, that you can not imagine, what kind of school you have got, but when people talked about the hell, actually, they want to frightened the people also, and tell them, if you do this thing you will go to hell, but instead get to frighten, what happened, people start using it, as sort of… you can call as sorted of a propaganda, that if you come to the churches if you go to the temple, if you do this, you will be saved from hell, and by that you give them ten Rub his, or ten bonds, then you will be saved from hell, so that's the way they did, that's very very cunning way, they created a horrible picture of something horrid, and tell them if you don't do it , if you don't do particular thing then you go to that chain, something like that, and that's how hell become a mix for us, because we thought those who are teaching us even worse than us, so people did not believed, but it exist, its reality, why? I don't know what is the human idea of heaven … there are three side, on the right side, left side and the top, those who are on the right side, are the Gods as called supraconcious people, are all the five elements, you know all the five elements, they are guide by particular deity, you all have deitys, this are all you called the gods, and there chranjivas, there eternal beings, they all existed on the right side, and there other type of Ashwartarvas and all this they are of animals, they also exist there, all of them are there, for what ? for guide you to the proper line, angles, like Gabriel is the chief of the angles of the right side,On the left hand side, Michel, saint Mike is the chief angle on the left hand, who looks after you, he is within you, he looks after you, that he does not allow you to go subconscious mind too much,For example, you are thinking about your past, you are crying too much, you start going deep down deep down, then he stops you, he saves you from that, but still you denial, still you denial, you enjoy …so, then he says go, so you start moves to left side, when you go beyond that, in the area, which supposing to be the void sort of thing, and there you are sucked into… so going to extreme of things, on both side you go to hell, alright, some goes straight, you don't have to go side way…Yogis: laughingShri Mataji: now, Sahaja yogis come up to the penile… here, supraconscious line, this has also got 7 stratas, 7 here, 7 there, 7 there, 7 on top, now you may ask me, why 7?Now you know there is coincidence of 7, 22 to up on 7, have you see that?Unclearly…Over equal is 22 to up on 7, those show rise work out, so when I say is the radians, you say three and half, half of the 7, then the circle …so you have got 3 and half kundalini, kundalini is 3 and half siting in the Muladhara chakra, and when it opens up, it goes up to the radians spot, alright, so it complete to the end, when the kundalin rise full it goes up radians spot, now you see 3 and half, 3 and half you can say like that, that 3 and half are the 7 chakras, while all the first 3 are divided in to 2, and the 7th one is there, but they go into 11, I mean 11 in to x.., whatever it is, 1, 2, 3,, this 11 circles conformist points, are very important for us, in this 11 things we are work, we have 11 guards, they called Rudras, they are placed within your forehead, they are the real 11 aspect of Christ, which has describe very well in my book, they will come later, the are the real aspect will definitely act, we should do some times, I put my chakra to that, there 11 aspects, say 11 Rudras, when the distractive time final will come, this 11 destructive power will act, will destroy whole thing, so this are the 11, 11 is very auspicious, so if you have to give someone, something, you have to give by 11, 11 Rubhis, 11 ponds, 11 is good number, because 11 is the complete half circle, the lower circle you don't to worry, that's why is 3 and half, that's the kundalini has to go up, you understand? That's why its 3 and half in ration,Did you understand now, with this mathematic? Still you could not… New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: what is wrong with this mathmatikies?In ration to half circle, which you have to rise to the top, the radians have to 3 and half, this is the 11.Shri Mataji: why?New comer: I don't mind; I did not understand.New comer: is this that 3 point one for two, that's 22 to one 7Shri Mataji: 22 to one 7, alright, make it half, alright, make half, what is 11 up on is 3 and half, alright, 11 up on is 3 and half, so we only half to worry the up site of it, only worry about upper half circle, not the lower circle, so if we have to worry, the kundalini have to give light to the half circle which is higher, not to the lower circle, so its 3 and half, and 3 and half coin is in the relation absolutely to the 11 parts of this aura, so the kundalini enlightened those 11 circleNow do you understand, Mr. mathmematician? What’s is the ration between the radians and the half circle?New comer: I just don't know why you called 11 out that area?Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: if its 22 and half, its for the whole circle… but we only have to worry the half, which is the upper part site of it, we don't have to worry about the hell and about Supraconscious and about, you see that part.New comer: I understand,Shri Mataji: now you understand?New comer, yes I understandShri Mataji, we have great mathematic here we have, now what I’m to go do with mathematic, you tell me?In the Supraconscious mind, in right hand side, you are also a mathematicsOn right hand side is Supraconscious alright, the half circle of the Supraconscious and the half circle of the subconscious its alright, in the sense that you can work on them, but you don't have to worry, you can not go there and you can not achieve realization, but lower site both thing is wrong, they go towards the hell, those people have tried before to going to the right side, by renovation, by abstaining, by loving everything put together, they most go to the right side. Because left hand side is very serious matter, only some of the people, who are great Shiva Bhakta’s, who are the worshiper of Shiva go on left hand side with the help of Shiva, very few people have gone there, and once they have gone that side, they are settle with Chranchivas, means eternal beings, they do not vanish, their body is remain, they are everywhere, so they are two types of heavenly people you can say, you are not that, you are human beings, alright to begin with and you have to come on top of it, like say, there is a drama going on, then in a drama you have got many actors, who have to play the role, and they are on the stage and a lot of lights are coming, a lot of people organizing it , platform is arranged, the stage are arranged, the light are arranged, focusing is done, that's done by other, but you are on the stage, alright, I the same way you are on the stage, sahaja yogis are, all this people just there to help, you are not to be come them, you are made of different purpose, you are not made for that purposes you don't try to do this things, so, what you have to do is to become absolutely realize, go higher and higher in your awareness, so what is the second stage of awareness. Now you have got thoughtlessness awareness, means you can become thoughtless, there is no thought in your mind, once you become this thoughtless aware, what happens to you, is just the vibration start flowing, which means you have crossed this limit, and you have come up.But what is second stage, the second stage is doubtless awareness, at this stage you will surprised, that you will give realization to people, its very easy for you, so many are there at this stage, but in doubtless awareness still you have to go deep, in which you do not catch from people at all, whatever people may suffering, you just don't catch, you don’t feel anything about, that stage come in, that's as should called as completely self realization, when we siting down here, you can give self realization to people, but you can give them awaking, siting down hare you can curing people, once it come in to your attention you can work it out.Beyond that, it's the stage of what you called, the God realization, God realization, in that you start controlling both stages, that means supraconscious and subconscious you control all the atmosphere, you can control the elements, you can control the rain, you can do all these things.But its no good, I mean there is no need to bother about it, nothing is important, you just automatically do.What is important is to cross even this , so you reach a stage after this, you knew all the incarnations, all the incarnations is always above this gab, this gab has been crossed by two people, Buddha and Mahavira, to become Hassan and Hussain, they are the only who could cross, but they were born of incarnation, they were the children of incarnation, they were human beings, just see , if god wants, he can do what he like, so he created two incarnations of Luv and Kushi, they were the children of Shri Rama And Shri Sita, then they were born as Buddha and Mahavira and then Hussian and Hassan, so this is the only two human beings, actually who are the children of an incarnation become incarnations, they are placed in the body of Virata, in the center point here, helping giving realization and salvation. And now there is different between Devata and Devas, this you must understand very clear, Devatas are the Deities who help the salvation, who played a direct part in the salvation. And Devas are the people as i told you those Chivanjivas, all those Gods and Goddesses,There is a God called as Indra, in Greek, called… what you call Zeus. Indra is Zeus like that, so we those Gods and Goddesses, some body controls the thunder, somebody controlling this, controlling that. all this Gods and Goddesses is not what you gonna to be, you are not made for that, what you will gonna become, that is not your job. What is your job is to give realization, you are going to be instrument of salvation, first you have your salvation, and then you give salvation to others, that's is the way going to workout, once you start give salvation, lots of beautiful people will come on to this earth to help you, this is lord we are, tune together to do, this is the work of the central path, as I have told you, is of the central path, central path is the Mahalakshmi one, on which Shri Vishnu reside who is the revolutionary deity, so this revolutionary Deity allow you to do all that, so when he becomes completely involved, completely, then he is the Virata, he is the vast , that is the aspect of God, who are there to help them, is the thunder, and who else is the primordial mother, is the holy Ghost. You understand this is the thing? Isn’t it? Do you like this, do you like it? They like all of them, that's the sign…And now anymore questions?New comer: what is the future, when so…[UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: so in the sahaja yoga you don't have to think about the future at all, you have to be at present moment, now you start think about future it self, how can we think about the future, future does not exist, it's a myth, what it is, is the present, you don't have to bother what is going to happen what is in the future, because I don't want to fix your attention there, what will happen, you will give up this work, you say oh. That Mataji has promised, that going to come, if you are in the present, the future will be down, so you have to worry about the present. Now future thinking is absurd, I tell you, why?now sahaja yoga you have seeing, it is a living thing it works out it living way, you can not say you will giver her realization or not, can you? Tell me now, Even. can you?now you can not say, you will bring your son here or your brother here or your father here,are you sure you can give them realization?if you planned a tree, can you say that they will diffinitily give you fruits?Or even it gives you fruits can you say at what time will give you fruit?At most you can say that is mango tree, it will give mango.So you are human being, if you are realized, you will become sahaja yogis, that's all.And now if you become like a sahaja yogis you living in the present, now what do you do by becoming present, what do you do?You are channel, God has made you are channel is using you…so what he does, he uses as channels to work out the rest of thing, so what you do, is on the watch, be on the watch, what is happening, what is the happening, you will be amazed… Now I asking God to give Riven to give experience that you told me this, to clear out this part…this afternoon,Come?Yogis: come this afternoon, full correct.Shri Mataji: about him was talking about, about your patient…Yogis: [UNCLEAR] Pause…. The line is cut off…. Shri Mataji: in the morning you feel very funny?New comer: no…Shri Mataji: in the morning you fell like vomiting some time?New comer: never…Shri Mataji: neverNew comer: more in the evening…Shri Mataji: really?New comer: it is…Shri Mataji: you shouldn't feel, you see the way you have very bad liver, very bad,New comer: but I wont know Shri Mataji: that's your bad liver, liver is very important as I told you, because liver is aware, from liver you get aware, if you are liver is not alright, you gonna feel not alright, everything will be alright, but you wont feel alright, here liver is something wrong, you will surprised, its not the brain but the liver, its very important, New comer: if it isn’t, what happens [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: if it isn’t, I will tell you, you don't feel like to eat, you will always feel down, feel like vomiting all the time, and all the time the body feel like some sensation here, when you get up in the morning, you get darkness, you don't feel like to getting up, you always feel like lethargy, and the more you think it worse it become, its terrible and you thin down very much, its good for actors…laughing… New comer: I don't act so well…Shri Mataji: well I’m saying is good for people who want good figure and the bad liverYogis: some of them they don't even feel that they have bad liver Shri Mataji: they don't feel it…Yogis: some of them say yesterday, because they don't feel there any coolShri Mataji: this is something special, I must say, he never felt that liver was bad, Doctor was declared that, now he has hypertensions, finished that cases, absolutely was finished the case, you know, is the last word on that, then he only coming around, otherwise he would not believe that he has bad … its very true as you say, [UNCLEAR]…Do you feel better now? You also feel very heated up with that…all the time heated up with liver, is very bad for skin, your skin gets rushes, you get allergy, you get all these problems.New comer: noShri Mataji: I’m saying with some people, and they were sea sick very easily,New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: if you drink, then it spoiled, here the people are, I don't know, they are poring all the metal polishing on top of that liver …laughing…you know, he was jealousy of you, he wants laugh loud about you, he is tired of smiling…because he is getting a baby…laughing…I never worried, lets see who feeling nice smiling, isn’t it?That's good, you see better… Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: they love it, they love it…New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: Vishhudhi,Yogis: Left VishhudhiNew comer: [UNCLEAR]Yogis: I saw star…Shri Mataji: lets give up, right hand side this thing is liver, I have giving you those pictures have you see those? My hands I have giving, they have a lot of vibration also.You see there is a lot of vibration on those , I have done my self, so you can see, have you got anyone of them with you now?Warren have you got one?Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: its better now, are you alright now?New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: look they are, how readily they are , they have just got it, they doing it, [UNCLEAR],They knowing it, what you gonna to training them, what you gonna to teach them, this is something you can not teach, it just happens, are you alright? in vibrations you are alright,Are you?New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mathai: no hoping…New comer: question [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: that's also thereNew comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: how you feel, you just see Martin, you seeing him, you see feel the vibrations, now put your hands there and see for your self, all this one, tremendousYou see on this one, how you feel your vibrations to him, New comer: she wants put her hands upShri Mataji: is better now, are you feel better now? New comer: I feel great…Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR] New comer: oh yes…Shri Mataji: how do you …feel his vibration now, let see, you try, you just try his vibration, how he Shri Mataji: Whats your name you sayNew comer: my name YannisShri Mataji: couldn’t hear?New comer: Yannis, YanisShri Mataji: Yanis, alright, Yanis you can come here with your vibrations… come alongYou have been really good,New comer: thanks thanks… Shri Mataji: you show me the greatest soul here I have never seeing. Now you must corporate with me and help me, alright, give me a kiss here, kiss me here, little bit, you are my doll, very sweet… New comer: I think…she is mother, I’m just her friend.Shri Mataji: you are going home? Want to go home, no? he doesn’t to go?New comer: to her Daddy, I think we need to go, we will take few of this, I will take some of hand for you, yes we had,Shri Mataji: this is good for the liver,New comer: tend to… ha-ha…Shri Mataji: bye bye…New comer: say bye bye…New comer & Baby Girl: yes, we will be coming…we got some grain, that's alright, that's alrightShri Mataji: alright , he must siting down, this left side, can you take out this,New comer: talks…Shri Mataji: heart, isn’t it?New comer: yesShri Mataji: how is it? See how …isn’t it, look them, they are very sentive, because they are not so much ego lized and things, they very sensitive, now better, isn’t it? Now is better, his kundalini has brought him there out like that, because of his Agyna, you can see the breathing, let him come around, I will show all of you, if you can… you see there is away, by which you can show every body your the kundilini, Alright, what are we show you, you tell him how to do it, come on your knees, you see can you? You have to come my feet, means you take out your shoes, the best way to see the kundalini, just no down, yes, show him, like this, little move down, I can show them your Kundalini, move down, put your hands there, alright, put your head there, see for your kundalini now, show them, breathing there, isn’t it, can you see the breathing,can you see the breathing? New comer: yesShri Mataji: on where is the breathing, its on here, here, kundalini has spreading on both side, you see, you can see clearly, can’t you see now? But now you know for… now is move up ward, can you see, its move, now you can do like that, now its stand, you push the kundalini up like that, you can, no no, like this, take out that way, then do it, you see, you have to move this way and this way and then take it up, one person can do this then bring up. Yes, that's it, that's it, see now, it starts move, can you feel the vibration now, you all can feel vibrations.What you can do, you put anticlockwise here, on the back anticlockwise, … now, through away, on the ground, here here, you see its pulsating more, can you see it with your own eyes, you see New comer: its breathing moreShri Mataji: pulsating more, now you give one hand like that, put one hand towards me, yes, all time one hand towards me, now this is play, now going to the kundalini, is going to help, by your hand also, you are helping the kundalini there, pressure is going more there, see now is coming up, its moved, you see its moved, you can see with your naked eyes, its moving, you don't have to be any other variation you can with your eyes, now see where is it?When ever its, you just go on give it, start moving here, you see now… now, is coming to the center? Where is it, where is it? you rise it, it will come, now you see it stuck up here, this is the Nabhi chakra, if you take up the name of Shri Vishnu, it will come, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, it pushes down from here, you see, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, can you see? Now is coming here, you see is coming up, this is the void, which have to take the name of Shri Adiguru or any Gurus name, like Mohammed, Aham Sakshat AdiGuru, Aham Sakshat AdiGuru, Aham Sakshat AdiGuru, its coming up here, you see, now this the center its here, its come up, can you see? New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: can you see now? Here it's the name Jagadamba, that's the mother of the universe is here, Aham sakshat Jagadambe, Aham sakshat Jagadambe, Aham sakshat Jagadambe…no doubt? Here is the name of Radha and Krishna, Aham sakshat Radha Krishna, Aham sakshat Radha Krishna, Aham sakshat Radha Krishna… just move here and here is Jesus and Mary, Aham sakshat Jesus Mary, Aham sakshat Jesus Mary, Aham sakshat Jesus Mary…you can feel it in your head also, you all can feel in your head also, you should Ganeshas name, because Ganesha is at back, as in the photo, innocence you see, is at back, Aham sakashat Ganesha, Aham sakashat Ganesha, Aham sakashat Ganesha Gauri, Aham sakashat Ganesha Gauri, Aham sakashat Ganesha Gauri …come, now it has come,now see where it's the kundalini, just see, now it has coming up here, Now you have to take my name, at Sahasrara, Aham sakshat Nirmala, Aham sakshat Nirmala, Aham sakshat Nirmala, and now see the vibrations, now you move it, you can move with your hands, you can feel the vibrations,See for your self, you feel it? How far is the vibration, come along, how far its, just see, you can feel it with your hands, alright, now you rise it again, it will come, and whatever maybe your defects are, …. You maybe have defects, you see might have some chakras caught up, but nothing, now you know you are sahaja yogis, see now its coming up, you can see? Again like that, Now the sympathetic is going now, now you bring it up, don't touch, just go on top, that's all, can you feel it, now all of you can come to see your self, he has bad Nabhi, there is also Swadishthana Chakra, now come along, one by one, all of you should come see this, see the kundalini, but don't touch just feel it, do you feel? No? no? New comer: I’m now sensitiveShri Mataji: we will workout on you, next person will take it easy, alright?New comer: I feel coolness here…Shri Mataji: can you find out what is his problem…and what time is Srivastava is coming?can you feel it, can you?New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: come fast, move it up, just there, now my head,Yogis: is coming hereShri Mataji: is coming up, yes here…Aham Sakshat …now better…we can have some body else, he must be very tired, you see now, this is what kundalini is, are you feel better now?New comer: yes, I’m sensitive in this placeShri Mataji: what do you feel? Unclear…now you can move, keep your eyes…its feel like dry, you better cry, kundalini is move, because of you Guru, because this is Guru, see now, she still moving in there, site down now, settle down there, because this Guru the stomach is spoiled, because this horrible fellow, now I will know who he is? New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: his Guru is MT fellow, alrightYogis: he doesn’t know, he has been left half past 7, he has went ten past 7, he doesn’t know what time to leaveShri Mataji: Ahha?Yogis: he has went out ten past 7, should I leave a messageShri Mataji: its right, alright, I will manage it, you just tell me the timeYogis: quarter to fiveShri Mataji: you are going? May God bless you!New comer: goodbye goodbye Shri Mataji: you have got pleasure, now you are going to come back again, you have to looking after that, alright?New comer: one dayShri Mataji: May God bless you! I’m very happy, now let us see, now this is…see now, see his Kundalini in his stomach, you see, see how it vibrate it, this is the Guru, because the horrible Guru is siting down there in the stomach, that's why its happening, you have to take a name of a Guru, alright! First take the name of Mohammed Mozart, Aham Sakshat Bhriatambara, Aham Sakshat Bhriatambara, , Aham Sakshat Bhraitambara…its acting much more, this is also goodThat how they spoiled your kundalini, this is the one, is Jagadamba, as I told you, is the mother of the universe, this is the sense of serenity in you, Alright! Aham Sakshat Jagadambe, Aham Sakshat Jagadambe, Aham Sakshat Jagadambe…Aham Sakshat Buddha, Aham Sakshat Buddha , Aham Sakshat Buddha , You watch here alright, keep your eyes open, Aham Sakshat Buddha , Aham Sakshat Buddha , Aham Sakshat Buddha ,its come out, its cool come down Martin? On top of your head,Aham Sakshat Buddhan, Aham Sakshat Buddhan, Aham Sakshat Buddhan…Hennn, this is it…New comer: yesShri Mataji: put your hand down, now you see, now this is the proof of the Kundalini, you start feel the Kundalini coming out, that's what kundalini is, Henn… can you feel it?New comer: yes, but fell it is…Shri Mataji: Still there, but much less, it has touched but still has… you see she supply there, she has to supply there, she going on supplying through that out, but still tested up, you see the force is so much tested, it has come, you can feel the coolness coming up?What about you Lakshmi, are you getting any cool on the head or not, see…you all should getting cool in your head, its going up and down, you understand now, this is what its is, is going coming and going up, you watch here, alright! It comes down and it come up… Are you alright now? Very relax isn’t it?Still every body… how is it now, tell me, still there?New comer: Its going upShri Mataji: that's not easy, you see, you have to take something to cure that, he have to beat him with shoes and then so on that, this horrible fellow …what mantra he gives you? New comer: shreremShri Mataji:shriem?New comer: sheremNew comer: that's the one I had too.Shri Mataji:shareem…sherem means nothing… you see this is how they dishonor word, its Shri, its Shri, Shri means know mother her self, its insulting her, by calling her sherem New comer: it's the mother??Shri Mataji: it's the mother, she is the Gauri, she is the Holy Ghost, so they called sherem, its called Shri, its Shri, you see my surname is Srivastava, Shri means the Holy Ghost, Vastava means reality.my surname is also Jag, my surname…Hahnnn…good? Take my name only its work out, hahnn…Now you are alright, you getting cool breeze on both hands?New comer: yesShri Mataji: very nice…New comer: feel very bad, because I meet my diets on Monday,Shri Mataji: Who?New comer: you remember, I asking if you can do spiritual healing…Shri Mataji: yes, yes,New comer: in the mean time, it was on Sunday, so…Shri Mataji: what is his name?New comer: Lousangeles, LousangelesShri Mataji: what a name… what is this?New comer: for youShri Mataji: Oh God, is food?New comer, foodShri Mataji: really?New comer: I hope so?!Shri Mataji: such love?New comer: I hoping for that…Shri Mataji: for all of them?New comer: Oh yes, eventually!Shri Mataji: Is it?New comer: yesShri Mataji: oh really great, very sweet, very generosity!New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: you all alright?New comer: So I send you a letter on Thursday, maybe you will receive tomorrow.Shri Mataji: is it?New comer: I send you a letterShri Mataji: Im interested it, That's all!New comer: I send you late, I’m sorry!!Shri Mataji: now you are alright! Just there, Now you just there alright! Keep your self like this, now ask them how to protect your self, and I will see,Its good? Now he is alright.Now you can see yours, come along, what do you say? He is alright?You see they have insulted everything, everything, Deities, Sanyasa, they have insulted all that is Godly, everything, that's how they have managed. Come along, what’s up, put hand here, Ahom Saks hat Sri, Ahom Saks hat Sri, Ahom Saks hat Sri, its alright! New comer: I feel something on my right sideShri Mataji: yes, there is, put you hand there, apart from that, this Agyna is bad,New comer: where is it?Shri Mataji: this center here, you see all this people falling this center worse of the all, this is Christ center you know?New comer: yesShri Mataji: what do you say, its better? what do you say, about her, its better?Yogis: much betterShri Mataji: its better, where did you get it?Yogis: hereShri Mataji: that's one you get it , where is your mother?New comer: at home, at …Shri Mataji: how is she?New comer: she is worried!Shri Mataji: she is worried about you!New comer: yes,Shri Mataji: for what?New comer: well, I thought last year maybe moving to ??? so worried about that Shri Mataji: now better, now you can have relaxed?New comer: yesShri Mataji: what do you say Colin?Yogis: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: where? Better? how do you sayYogis: its much better,Shri Mataji: how are you, better?Andy you are alright? What do you think about this?Hehnn…now he is better, you see, your eyes steady thereShri Mataji: you see the eyes,New comer: my eyes is hurting a lot, because im not sleeping,Shri Mataji: why you are not sleeping?New comer: I don't know,Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR] …be very hot, it isn’t allow you to sleep… is better now?New comer: yes, Shri Mataji: are you getting any cool breeze?Yogis: little block is there isn’t it?Shri Matji: is better, turn around, come back, so, stand, now better,New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: no see the balance, see the balance, now its alright, or it still different?Tight up on your head, in forward manner alright, always in the forwards manner, in the forward, all of you should go on the forward, hahnn… good? What do you say? The head stillShri Mataji: you say Sahasrara mantra, come alongShri Mataji: you shouldn’t talk loudly, you see meditation is going on, keep quite. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat, Shri Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati , Mahakali, Trigunatmika Shri Kundalini sakshat, Shri Adishakti sakshat, Shri Bhagavati sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nriamala Devi Namo Namah

Talk in Stockwell, 1977-12-01 Shri Mataji: It goes down and again it goes up, again goes down like that, such stairs like clouds, but sometimes pierce it with forces then you get this kind of experience, it is very very exciting experience, I should say,Yogis: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: we better be seat for some questions, because we give them the realization to begin with, he’s the only one who has not got, who has come has first time, New comer: Shri Mataji: First let's give them the realization and then we will see, you come here, can you sit on the ground for a while?And who else?She's all right there, where you stay, they do particular thing in particular manner, to your Kundalini to any chakrasAnd What I have to do is to master the map of curingEvery time I find a new Guru, now this time your Guru Rajo is absolute new fellow, But I will manage that also. Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mathai: its wrong, its terrible, absolutely wrong, what is wrong i will tell you, very simple thing, that sex has nothing to do with God, Sex is not meant for achieve your higher needs, that's for Basics not for sahaja, sex is no part at all, in counter, you have to first be an innocent person, when you coming for the self-realization Because Kundalini is your own mother And you would not like to have anything to do with her, It is absurd, it is perversion, and this is what its, by doing all this things they put sex on the mother, she is only mother you have and you are the only child she has, and she keep on with you, through for all days together, for all years together, for ages together, in all your birth she has been with you, It is insult her like this , is too, I mean, one of the greatest sin’s you can insult her, and that to Kundalini is in purest form of mother earth New comer: I don’t understand the connection between, [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: New comerShri Mataji: gururajThis is sex part, now then heart, he says you give your heart towards the mandlai, but now, the thing is unless until you are connected, how can you do? You see, if you try to say i tell you that you must telephone to someone, and the connection is in some obstruction, and what do you do than? New comer: The connection must be there some extend...Shri Mataji: no not at all, its not at all, you see that mean, you must understand, the connection of God is in a very different manner, you see , we are guide through all that, as you all are saints that’s why, but you living completely freedom choose, you have to have completely freedom, otherwise you do not choose , chose in freedom, means completely freedom you have to do, Absolutely you will be surprised , If you want you can hit yourself , If you want you can ask your boon to hit yourself or if you want you can ask for rise, So its absolutely freedom giving to you, There's no no not at all, he doesn’t hold you hand anywhere, of course if you are a good man if you understand, if you are religious man, he is there to guide you, he is there to help you, he is there look after you, but he will not in any way give you a guidance that will you hamper your freedom, you are free to choose, because you have to develop , you see if you are teaching somebody swimming, first you tell him all right, do little bit like this, then you just leave him there, and in that time you have to leave , completely, in the same way, in the earliest ages we are animals he look after us, he hold our hands, he take us down and doing everything , when we are human beings and all, we try, otherwise you won’t be good swimmers, first of all you have to be good swimmers, so completely freedom is giving to . you see completely freedom is giving, that’s why we don’t understand, and so much complete the he cannot supersede our freedom, you know that, supposing you don’t want get the realization.... [UNCLEAR]…. Your freedom is beyond, in this you are supreme, imagine, how he has…[UNCLEAR]… so you just tell him, you have to get your realization, realization you get by your freedom, when you understand what is wisdom. Not to go to extremes, not to be so frankly, the way we are frankly. (come along come along, here is a lot of space, how are you? He is all the time enjoy, I can see that clearly, very good.So that the finger has to be, that has bestowed on us, because we are responsible, God thinks us we are matured enough, that’s why he gives us and how does he has Judged our maturity? Its Only but it's only by free, a complete, so when that he says, so that you take your heart put on the mandala, you see, then what happens? Absolutely, first of you have no Authority, He's not fanatic, Everybody’s heart you cannot, Kundalini is on the base here is in the Triangular bone, what is the use of to put hearts somewhere, and when the Kundalini standing here, what do you all put in there, Kundalini supposed to be the coin of the thing, It’s place that site, and now what do you take out from here, maybe some other instrument made required later, it is absolutely mishandling of this instrument, completely mishandling Yogis: what he was saying, working on some particular block / what he is saying that to some extend, Kundalini must flow anywhere, otherwise he would not have realized, there some blocks in the palm Shri Mataji: you can see if a person is not realized, his Kundalini is sleeping, he does not even know the basis, He doesn't even know the basis of Kundalini, his Kundalini is sleeping, she sleeping like… we knew is never flowing, its weak, till the water of love comes to the Kundalini , till she is sure, she is not going to flowing, she is waiting for her time, is not all the time flowing, its wrong, its wrong idea, absolutly wrong, she pauses, its written down in all scriptures if he has read any scripture about kundalini, its said dormant being , she is lying there, absolutely sleeping in such sleeping condition, in some of them, in his case, its frozen,You see it might be, when first time I saw his photograf, I felt that he might have been a realized soul, might have been, I felt that way, but in the way of good or such realized person, he come ambitions like that, without going deeping it to it, he starts his working, and kundalini now is frozen, and now perso, even you get realization. I have got people got realization to sahaja yoga, some of them, they went back into hell. If you have to go further on then you have to know, that is only can with Dhyan, by going deep into it understand it, what is that properly, i can put you to connection, alright. But i can not keep you there, you can fall down, its fall many people, Specially the people have come from Gurus, you yourself will easy on... , when you working on people you will find. Falls down, then you have to take it up and then tight , oly can a realized can do it, nobody else, you see, now mandala also, mantras I should say, its big science, its living science, do we understand the meaning of the word living science, we don't understand, living science is means, a kundalini rises, in your case, supposing it has coming into your Angina chakra just now, its in the Angina, it might falls down, it possible, its a living science, because its living , it not a ritual again, its going down all the time, means you have to stop at Agyna, so you have to, whatever mantra you to do is ...not a fact, whatever it is, its very simple thing to understand, supposing you have gone to the car, not you are stacking up say in a ticket day, you are calling the police from some other place, its wrong, you have to call the people in Delhi to help you out, they are not supposing to ….So first thing you have to know where is your kundalini, that’s he does not know, he does not know how to rise, all right, he does not know which chakra … hallo to a new comer Yogis: this is Martin, he has not been here before, he is a friend of … Shri Mataji: you see this is the thing, you can not just conceptualize it, you can not programmed it, its work on it own, where ever its the problem, both the cases, right heart, left heart, just know the kundalini move that like that jag jag..., and then its not move up, because, spreading into this to places which are spoiled, you have move the energy whatever was there to such a extend a big…..to be alright, To be sustained, so the kundalini moves there, to be sustained, Can we have Martin here, with that you are alright, you can put your hands, while speaking it will work out, then kundalini fills it, repair it, and then goes up.Like river flow, if it finds their ditches are around, it fills the ditches, the flow is less, then again after fills then another fold comes up, then it goes up to agyna, from Agyna it spread like this, it goes down again,but some people who have very simple kundalini, simple thing, just shoot up, they never even loose, we have many cases like that, just like that, just there, never a problem, so we have style, style and types, but they only problem is, they got so much identified, that’s very difficult, they don’t do good to you, the spoiled your kundalini and you are identified, such trouble for me, to get you identified to make you understand,now what should be expect, you see is the thing, we must know what we have to expect from the kundalini, now all the scripture, scriptures , not dictum , not anybody writing about kundalini, like Evian has write such a big book, you know there is a book written by Mr. Alba, such a big book, i never read it, but there is ambassador has read, and he told me , most surprising that this gentle man has wrote that kundalini, you see is start from the center, and it goes like this in front side, you see, through white circle plexus all that, its gross. its fundamental thing that its in such subtle way, as much as I know, there is no scripture in this style. I’m sure, I’m sorry, to such detail, to such, nobody has, of course part of it have been described, all thatAt least You should remember one thing, that when the kundalini rises, that you should see the pulsation rises, validation of the people should take place, you must going into thoughtless awareness, when you jump, when you cross this point here, you got soft here, you get cool breeze, in the hands also cool , it describe by Adishankarachya, Adishankaracharya, new ones are most are boggle people, the less the better, he was telling me one of them was a smuggler, so you can imagine what other fellow brahmacharies has getting now,So this is how there, what do we expect, that’s collective consciously, that’s is what we need to achieve, samuhit, now the thing is,even when you read scriptures like that, in that you will say..., ascription that kundalini is giving by secretive manner, but is very clear, for example, they will say I will appear before you as thousands tons of flams.Like Christ had said, somebody touched him, that my energy has passed through him, its clear cut thing, absolutely clear, and one who has authority, despite, i would like to say, one who take that, he would not understand why what was happen, but gradually he will not. I have see great saints, like KerntNirmala, he can not give realization the way you can give, he takes at least 5 to 6 years, for one person, he works, but now he fed up, he works for one person for 25 years, but now I’m fed up, I asking his stories, He said put everything in tape And he says, this fellow, I’m fed up, you are mother you are the Shakti, you can give, now I’m fed up, I’m not giving anyone realization.I said why, he was very angry, you see I give him 25 years of my precious life, one by one raised, i cleared his kundalini, did everything, now he become fundamental he is running after money…This fellow happens to me once, one of my disciple she has invited him, she says shri mataji has coming, would you like to met her?When he gets up he touched my feet, he knows who I am, so is alright, I was just ignore, he talks like something, he said my Guru has lost his power, I said why? you see i asking him to come to Mumbai must see Mataji,Why you here? Why you say something against your Guru?You shouldn’t say, because you know he did so much for you, and you talk ill about him.You should not have down,He said no no, because you know, he was like this, like that, he was telling.So I plan tricks on him, now I’m going away, so...I will put some tikka on you, so I put tikka on him, so…and now you can put some on me, as soon as he put his hand here, i sucked it, you see, then he says, Mataji what are doing, the whole body start shake, so now please promise that you will not say a word against your Guru, because he is a great ...he joined ...[UNCLEAR]..., so that he born again, about him I’m telling you. Shri Mataji: Hello, come alongAbout him he was telling, so now I’m not going, for 12 years …and when my Sahaja yogis went there, so he said how many of you raised your hand, how many you will give their life to Mataji?Like that he will talk… Yogis: I feel so sorry…Shri Mataja: its alright…Shri Mataji: what are you saying?Yogis: just need be care for, this table…Shri Mataji: I have never seing…I have not seeing many of them, actually they know about me,they talk about me, somebody goes there abroad, Himalayas also somebody told me, but I don't know who are they, but if I meet them, this happen I know, this fellow has…, because they their kundalini is not established, first they will never establish, because its greatest sin, New comer: but he is terribly confusing…Shri Mataji: but one thing I tell you… what is your name again?New comer: my name is RobertShri Mataji: Robert, I tell you one thing, Kundalini you can not understand to your brain, firstly.Let it happened, let it happened, that's the thing you are born for, you get from me…you can’t not rationalize it, its confuse, because you can not understand something unlimited to limited, that's means to your brain,New comer: that is easy to accept, when once that …Shri Mataji: but let it happen, let it happen, you just let it happen, you just allow your self to be that, alright, let happen.Because that's very important, the more you corporate with me, the better it will be, it just to allow, you tell your mind, you have let me no where, you keep quite for a while, its horse you know, its naughty one, it knows its master, if you allow me to eat grass, he will eat grass, but you tell him, now, please be care for, be alert, because I have to go ahead, just tell him behave your self, it will work out.the mind is very tricky, like monkey, so don't play in the hands of monkey, because it has let you know where. Just now you listen, it will work out, when once workout, then you tell me, means I was much worse than you… Shri Mataji laugh…he argued with me for how many days… I think for 2 days something like that, at late, and now he is alright, I want you to share that, all right?Shri Mataji: Ha, so, how is it? Its left out…New comer: and enrootedShri Mataji: apart of that did you did Hatha yoga, all that?New comer: I did TM before yearsShri Mataji, TM?New comer: before 4 years Shri Mataji: you keep your eyes open, you cannot close your eyes before me, if you tried to close your eyes, then it will go on like that, all of them has the same problem, you can ask Angina, she has the same problem, she can tell you.Now you are alright Angina??Nothing upsetting now, we managed that, I’m so very happy to big …in India, because not one person from that horrible TM I could give realization, only one person we give, and…he is only after, artiest, musicians, all the big business people, all the bureaucrats,Shri Mataji: Are you an artiest,Newcomer: no, I’m an actorShri Mathai: are you better, just see him, he will get the fastest, because he has not been any Gurus. He is alrightNew comer: I think he just got same problem as meShri Mataji: that's all, that's all, New comer: why did you said horrible TM, I did TM for 8 years, enjoyed so much Shri Mataji: that's the thing, you see, one enjoyed drink very much, alcoholism, its like drinking only, turn around, turn around, you will see that, but you will say the same thing, when someone come from TM you will not saying thing, no no I’m not put my hands towards them, you will get burned, just asking her like this burning, hands like this coming, look their faces, you see that…All kinds of terrible acting are going on there…Yogis: so stronglyShri Mataji: deeply, very deepYogis: you can ask Saska,Shri Maatji: you see, is it? now, would you hold your breath, put both hands at my feet, hold your breath, lets see.Yogis : laughing….Shri Mataji: what happened?Yogis: Shri Mataji we got a gift in the bag…laughing…lovely, this is beautiful, come on…Shri Mataji: oh God! Thank you, thank you very much!! May God bless you!!How are you…your visitors?Yogis: laughing…Shri Mataji: hold your breath,Yogis: peaceShri Mataji: now ?Yogis: now is better,Shri Mataji: now you can give up your breath…Shri Mataji: now, lift it up, now better?Yogis: now its much better, it should be… he smokes soShri Mataji: you smoke?New comer: he thinks…Shri Mataji: he got Asthma, that's all, not mine…You come to my lecture?New comer: I’m just come…[UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: how did you come,New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: I think what happen when, how??New comer: I come from the underground,Shri Mataji: underground, and how did you come here? somebody told you about me?New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Yogis: picture, music…laughingShri Mataji: so, a lot of area left here…little area lifts there, little area left …down below, the are left say is the area the hell, but it had got 7 strata, the hell exist absolutely, is very well described by Mahavira, who was contemporary powerful Buddha…he has described very clearly, what is the hell. I would not like to describe, it so filth, so dangerous, so violent, its terrible, when they say that people go to hell, really they do, its existence, which worse than that of we can say, but a stone at least not aware, but here you are aware of.Now you think your self as you are, what you are with your human awareness, and if you made to live in the cutter, this is nothing, this is nothing than what hell is, if you made lying inside with your head into the cutter, its nothing than what I’m describe, its nothing…its thousand time worse Then there 7 strata’s, in which there different different type of hells, one worse than the others, its like reform school of very intensive style, certain intensive, that you can not imagine, what kind of school you have got, but when people talked about the hell, actually, they want to frightened the people also, and tell them, if you do this thing you will go to hell, but instead get to frighten, what happened, people start using it, as sort of… you can call as sorted of a propaganda, that if you come to the churches if you go to the temple, if you do this, you will be saved from hell, and by that you give them ten Rub his, or ten bonds, then you will be saved from hell, so that's the way they did, that's very very cunning way, they created a horrible picture of something horrid, and tell them if you don't do it , if you don't do particular thing then you go to that chain, something like that, and that's how hell become a mix for us, because we thought those who are teaching us even worse than us, so people did not believed, but it exist, its reality, why? I don't know what is the human idea of heaven … there are three side, on the right side, left side and the top, those who are on the right side, are the Gods as called supraconcious people, are all the five elements, you know all the five elements, they are guide by particular deity, you all have deitys, this are all you called the gods, and there chranjivas, there eternal beings, they all existed on the right side, and there other type of Ashwartarvas and all this they are of animals, they also exist there, all of them are there, for what ? for guide you to the proper line, angles, like Gabriel is the chief of the angles of the right side,On the left hand side, Michel, saint Mike is the chief angle on the left hand, who looks after you, he is within you, he looks after you, that he does not allow you to go subconscious mind too much,For example, you are thinking about your past, you are crying too much, you start going deep down deep down, then he stops you, he saves you from that, but still you denial, still you denial, you enjoy …so, then he says go, so you start moves to left side, when you go beyond that, in the area, which supposing to be the void sort of thing, and there you are sucked into… so going to extreme of things, on both side you go to hell, alright, some goes straight, you don't have to go side way…Yogis: laughingShri Mataji: now, Sahaja yogis come up to the penile… here, supraconscious line, this has also got 7 stratas, 7 here, 7 there, 7 there, 7 on top, now you may ask me, why 7?Now you know there is coincidence of 7, 22 to up on 7, have you see that?Unclearly…Over equal is 22 to up on 7, those show rise work out, so when I say is the radians, you say three and half, half of the 7, then the circle …so you have got 3 and half kundalini, kundalini is 3 and half siting in the Muladhara chakra, and when it opens up, it goes up to the radians spot, alright, so it complete to the end, when the kundalin rise full it goes up radians spot, now you see 3 and half, 3 and half you can say like that, that 3 and half are the 7 chakras, while all the first 3 are divided in to 2, and the 7th one is there, but they go into 11, I mean 11 in to x.., whatever it is, 1, 2, 3,, this 11 circles conformist points, are very important for us, in this 11 things we are work, we have 11 guards, they called Rudras, they are placed within your forehead, they are the real 11 aspect of Christ, which has describe very well in my book, they will come later, the are the real aspect will definitely act, we should do some times, I put my chakra to that, there 11 aspects, say 11 Rudras, when the distractive time final will come, this 11 destructive power will act, will destroy whole thing, so this are the 11, 11 is very auspicious, so if you have to give someone, something, you have to give by 11, 11 Rubhis, 11 ponds, 11 is good number, because 11 is the complete half circle, the lower circle you don't to worry, that's why is 3 and half, that's the kundalini has to go up, you understand? That's why its 3 and half in ration,Did you understand now, with this mathematic? Still you could not… New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: what is wrong with this mathmatikies?In ration to half circle, which you have to rise to the top, the radians have to 3 and half, this is the 11.Shri Mataji: why?New comer: I don't mind; I did not understand.New comer: is this that 3 point one for two, that's 22 to one 7Shri Mataji: 22 to one 7, alright, make it half, alright, make half, what is 11 up on is 3 and half, alright, 11 up on is 3 and half, so we only half to worry the up site of it, only worry about upper half circle, not the lower circle, so if we have to worry, the kundalini have to give light to the half circle which is higher, not to the lower circle, so its 3 and half, and 3 and half coin is in the relation absolutely to the 11 parts of this aura, so the kundalini enlightened those 11 circleNow do you understand, Mr. mathmematician? What’s is the ration between the radians and the half circle?New comer: I just don't know why you called 11 out that area?Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: if its 22 and half, its for the whole circle… but we only have to worry the half, which is the upper part site of it, we don't have to worry about the hell and about Supraconscious and about, you see that part.New comer: I understand,Shri Mataji: now you understand?New comer, yes I understandShri Mataji, we have great mathematic here we have, now what I’m to go do with mathematic, you tell me?In the Supraconscious mind, in right hand side, you are also a mathematicsOn right hand side is Supraconscious alright, the half circle of the Supraconscious and the half circle of the subconscious its alright, in the sense that you can work on them, but you don't have to worry, you can not go there and you can not achieve realization, but lower site both thing is wrong, they go towards the hell, those people have tried before to going to the right side, by renovation, by abstaining, by loving everything put together, they most go to the right side. Because left hand side is very serious matter, only some of the people, who are great Shiva Bhakta’s, who are the worshiper of Shiva go on left hand side with the help of Shiva, very few people have gone there, and once they have gone that side, they are settle with Chranchivas, means eternal beings, they do not vanish, their body is remain, they are everywhere, so they are two types of heavenly people you can say, you are not that, you are human beings, alright to begin with and you have to come on top of it, like say, there is a drama going on, then in a drama you have got many actors, who have to play the role, and they are on the stage and a lot of lights are coming, a lot of people organizing it , platform is arranged, the stage are arranged, the light are arranged, focusing is done, that's done by other, but you are on the stage, alright, I the same way you are on the stage, sahaja yogis are, all this people just there to help, you are not to be come them, you are made of different purpose, you are not made for that purposes you don't try to do this things, so, what you have to do is to become absolutely realize, go higher and higher in your awareness, so what is the second stage of awareness. Now you have got thoughtlessness awareness, means you can become thoughtless, there is no thought in your mind, once you become this thoughtless aware, what happens to you, is just the vibration start flowing, which means you have crossed this limit, and you have come up.But what is second stage, the second stage is doubtless awareness, at this stage you will surprised, that you will give realization to people, its very easy for you, so many are there at this stage, but in doubtless awareness still you have to go deep, in which you do not catch from people at all, whatever people may suffering, you just don't catch, you don’t feel anything about, that stage come in, that's as should called as completely self realization, when we siting down here, you can give self realization to people, but you can give them awaking, siting down hare you can curing people, once it come in to your attention you can work it out.Beyond that, it's the stage of what you called, the God realization, God realization, in that you start controlling both stages, that means supraconscious and subconscious you control all the atmosphere, you can control the elements, you can control the rain, you can do all these things.But its no good, I mean there is no need to bother about it, nothing is important, you just automatically do.What is important is to cross even this , so you reach a stage after this, you knew all the incarnations, all the incarnations is always above this gab, this gab has been crossed by two people, Buddha and Mahavira, to become Hassan and Hussain, they are the only who could cross, but they were born of incarnation, they were the children of incarnation, they were human beings, just see , if god wants, he can do what he like, so he created two incarnations of Luv and Kushi, they were the children of Shri Rama And Shri Sita, then they were born as Buddha and Mahavira and then Hussian and Hassan, so this is the only two human beings, actually who are the children of an incarnation become incarnations, they are placed in the body of Virata, in the center point here, helping giving realization and salvation. And now there is different between Devata and Devas, this you must understand very clear, Devatas are the Deities who help the salvation, who played a direct part in the salvation. And Devas are the people as i told you those Chivanjivas, all those Gods and Goddesses,There is a God called as Indra, in Greek, called… what you call Zeus. Indra is Zeus like that, so we those Gods and Goddesses, some body controls the thunder, somebody controlling this, controlling that. all this Gods and Goddesses is not what you gonna to be, you are not made for that, what you will gonna become, that is not your job. What is your job is to give realization, you are going to be instrument of salvation, first you have your salvation, and then you give salvation to others, that's is the way going to workout, once you start give salvation, lots of beautiful people will come on to this earth to help you, this is lord we are, tune together to do, this is the work of the central path, as I have told you, is of the central path, central path is the Mahalakshmi one, on which Shri Vishnu reside who is the revolutionary deity, so this revolutionary Deity allow you to do all that, so when he becomes completely involved, completely, then he is the Virata, he is the vast , that is the aspect of God, who are there to help them, is the thunder, and who else is the primordial mother, is the holy Ghost. You understand this is the thing? Isn’t it? Do you like this, do you like it? They like all of them, that's the sign…And now anymore questions?New comer: what is the future, when so…[UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: so in the sahaja yoga you don't have to think about the future at all, you have to be at present moment, now you start think about future it self, how can we think about the future, future does not exist, it's a myth, what it is, is the present, you don't have to bother what is going to happen what is in the future, because I don't want to fix your attention there, what will happen, you will give up this work, you say oh. That Mataji has promised, that going to come, if you are in the present, the future will be down, so you have to worry about the present. Now future thinking is absurd, I tell you, why?now sahaja yoga you have seeing, it is a living thing it works out it living way, you can not say you will giver her realization or not, can you? Tell me now, Even. can you?now you can not say, you will bring your son here or your brother here or your father here,are you sure you can give them realization?if you planned a tree, can you say that they will diffinitily give you fruits?Or even it gives you fruits can you say at what time will give you fruit?At most you can say that is mango tree, it will give mango.So you are human being, if you are realized, you will become sahaja yogis, that's all.And now if you become like a sahaja yogis you living in the present, now what do you do by becoming present, what do you do?You are channel, God has made you are channel is using you…so what he does, he uses as channels to work out the rest of thing, so what you do, is on the watch, be on the watch, what is happening, what is the happening, you will be amazed… Now I asking God to give Riven to give experience that you told me this, to clear out this part…this afternoon,Come?Yogis: come this afternoon, full correct.Shri Mataji: about him was talking about, about your patient…Yogis: [UNCLEAR] Pause…. The line is cut off…. Shri Mataji: in the morning you feel very funny?New comer: no…Shri Mataji: in the morning you fell like vomiting some time?New comer: never…Shri Mataji: neverNew comer: more in the evening…Shri Mataji: really?New comer: it is…Shri Mataji: you shouldn't feel, you see the way you have very bad liver, very bad,New comer: but I wont know Shri Mataji: that's your bad liver, liver is very important as I told you, because liver is aware, from liver you get aware, if you are liver is not alright, you gonna feel not alright, everything will be alright, but you wont feel alright, here liver is something wrong, you will surprised, its not the brain but the liver, its very important, New comer: if it isn’t, what happens [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: if it isn’t, I will tell you, you don't feel like to eat, you will always feel down, feel like vomiting all the time, and all the time the body feel like some sensation here, when you get up in the morning, you get darkness, you don't feel like to getting up, you always feel like lethargy, and the more you think it worse it become, its terrible and you thin down very much, its good for actors…laughing… New comer: I don't act so well…Shri Mataji: well I’m saying is good for people who want good figure and the bad liverYogis: some of them they don't even feel that they have bad liver Shri Mataji: they don't feel it…Yogis: some of them say yesterday, because they don't feel there any coolShri Mataji: this is something special, I must say, he never felt that liver was bad, Doctor was declared that, now he has hypertensions, finished that cases, absolutely was finished the case, you know, is the last word on that, then he only coming around, otherwise he would not believe that he has bad … its very true as you say, [UNCLEAR]…Do you feel better now? You also feel very heated up with that…all the time heated up with liver, is very bad for skin, your skin gets rushes, you get allergy, you get all these problems.New comer: noShri Mataji: I’m saying with some people, and they were sea sick very easily,New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: if you drink, then it spoiled, here the people are, I don't know, they are poring all the metal polishing on top of that liver …laughing…you know, he was jealousy of you, he wants laugh loud about you, he is tired of smiling…because he is getting a baby…laughing…I never worried, lets see who feeling nice smiling, isn’t it?That's good, you see better… Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: they love it, they love it…New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: Vishhudhi,Yogis: Left VishhudhiNew comer: [UNCLEAR]Yogis: I saw star…Shri Mataji: lets give up, right hand side this thing is liver, I have giving you those pictures have you see those? My hands I have giving, they have a lot of vibration also.You see there is a lot of vibration on those , I have done my self, so you can see, have you got anyone of them with you now?Warren have you got one?Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: its better now, are you alright now?New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: look they are, how readily they are , they have just got it, they doing it, [UNCLEAR],They knowing it, what you gonna to training them, what you gonna to teach them, this is something you can not teach, it just happens, are you alright? in vibrations you are alright,Are you?New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mathai: no hoping…New comer: question [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: that's also thereNew comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: how you feel, you just see Martin, you seeing him, you see feel the vibrations, now put your hands there and see for your self, all this one, tremendousYou see on this one, how you feel your vibrations to him, New comer: she wants put her hands upShri Mataji: is better now, are you feel better now? New comer: I feel great…Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR] New comer: oh yes…Shri Mataji: how do you …feel his vibration now, let see, you try, you just try his vibration, how he Shri Mataji: Whats your name you sayNew comer: my name YannisShri Mataji: couldn’t hear?New comer: Yannis, YanisShri Mataji: Yanis, alright, Yanis you can come here with your vibrations… come alongYou have been really good,New comer: thanks thanks… Shri Mataji: you show me the greatest soul here I have never seeing. Now you must corporate with me and help me, alright, give me a kiss here, kiss me here, little bit, you are my doll, very sweet… New comer: I think…she is mother, I’m just her friend.Shri Mataji: you are going home? Want to go home, no? he doesn’t to go?New comer: to her Daddy, I think we need to go, we will take few of this, I will take some of hand for you, yes we had,Shri Mataji: this is good for the liver,New comer: tend to… ha-ha…Shri Mataji: bye bye…New comer: say bye bye…New comer & Baby Girl: yes, we will be coming…we got some grain, that's alright, that's alrightShri Mataji: alright , he must siting down, this left side, can you take out this,New comer: talks…Shri Mataji: heart, isn’t it?New comer: yesShri Mataji: how is it? See how …isn’t it, look them, they are very sentive, because they are not so much ego lized and things, they very sensitive, now better, isn’t it? Now is better, his kundalini has brought him there out like that, because of his Agyna, you can see the breathing, let him come around, I will show all of you, if you can… you see there is away, by which you can show every body your the kundilini, Alright, what are we show you, you tell him how to do it, come on your knees, you see can you? You have to come my feet, means you take out your shoes, the best way to see the kundalini, just no down, yes, show him, like this, little move down, I can show them your Kundalini, move down, put your hands there, alright, put your head there, see for your kundalini now, show them, breathing there, isn’t it, can you see the breathing,can you see the breathing? New comer: yesShri Mataji: on where is the breathing, its on here, here, kundalini has spreading on both side, you see, you can see clearly, can’t you see now? But now you know for… now is move up ward, can you see, its move, now you can do like that, now its stand, you push the kundalini up like that, you can, no no, like this, take out that way, then do it, you see, you have to move this way and this way and then take it up, one person can do this then bring up. Yes, that's it, that's it, see now, it starts move, can you feel the vibration now, you all can feel vibrations.What you can do, you put anticlockwise here, on the back anticlockwise, … now, through away, on the ground, here here, you see its pulsating more, can you see it with your own eyes, you see New comer: its breathing moreShri Mataji: pulsating more, now you give one hand like that, put one hand towards me, yes, all time one hand towards me, now this is play, now going to the kundalini, is going to help, by your hand also, you are helping the kundalini there, pressure is going more there, see now is coming up, its moved, you see its moved, you can see with your naked eyes, its moving, you don't have to be any other variation you can with your eyes, now see where is it?When ever its, you just go on give it, start moving here, you see now… now, is coming to the center? Where is it, where is it? you rise it, it will come, now you see it stuck up here, this is the Nabhi chakra, if you take up the name of Shri Vishnu, it will come, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, it pushes down from here, you see, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, can you see? Now is coming here, you see is coming up, this is the void, which have to take the name of Shri Adiguru or any Gurus name, like Mohammed, Aham Sakshat AdiGuru, Aham Sakshat AdiGuru, Aham Sakshat AdiGuru, its coming up here, you see, now this the center its here, its come up, can you see? New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: can you see now? Here it's the name Jagadamba, that's the mother of the universe is here, Aham sakshat Jagadambe, Aham sakshat Jagadambe, Aham sakshat Jagadambe…no doubt? Here is the name of Radha and Krishna, Aham sakshat Radha Krishna, Aham sakshat Radha Krishna, Aham sakshat Radha Krishna… just move here and here is Jesus and Mary, Aham sakshat Jesus Mary, Aham sakshat Jesus Mary, Aham sakshat Jesus Mary…you can feel it in your head also, you all can feel in your head also, you should Ganeshas name, because Ganesha is at back, as in the photo, innocence you see, is at back, Aham sakashat Ganesha, Aham sakashat Ganesha, Aham sakashat Ganesha Gauri, Aham sakashat Ganesha Gauri, Aham sakashat Ganesha Gauri …come, now it has come,now see where it's the kundalini, just see, now it has coming up here, Now you have to take my name, at Sahasrara, Aham sakshat Nirmala, Aham sakshat Nirmala, Aham sakshat Nirmala, and now see the vibrations, now you move it, you can move with your hands, you can feel the vibrations,See for your self, you feel it? How far is the vibration, come along, how far its, just see, you can feel it with your hands, alright, now you rise it again, it will come, and whatever maybe your defects are, …. You maybe have defects, you see might have some chakras caught up, but nothing, now you know you are sahaja yogis, see now its coming up, you can see? Again like that, Now the sympathetic is going now, now you bring it up, don't touch, just go on top, that's all, can you feel it, now all of you can come to see your self, he has bad Nabhi, there is also Swadishthana Chakra, now come along, one by one, all of you should come see this, see the kundalini, but don't touch just feel it, do you feel? No? no? New comer: I’m now sensitiveShri Mataji: we will workout on you, next person will take it easy, alright?New comer: I feel coolness here…Shri Mataji: can you find out what is his problem…and what time is Srivastava is coming?can you feel it, can you?New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: come fast, move it up, just there, now my head,Yogis: is coming hereShri Mataji: is coming up, yes here…Aham Sakshat …now better…we can have some body else, he must be very tired, you see now, this is what kundalini is, are you feel better now?New comer: yes, I’m sensitive in this placeShri Mataji: what do you feel? Unclear…now you can move, keep your eyes…its feel like dry, you better cry, kundalini is move, because of you Guru, because this is Guru, see now, she still moving in there, site down now, settle down there, because this Guru the stomach is spoiled, because this horrible fellow, now I will know who he is? New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: his Guru is MT fellow, alrightYogis: he doesn’t know, he has been left half past 7, he has went ten past 7, he doesn’t know what time to leaveShri Mataji: Ahha?Yogis: he has went out ten past 7, should I leave a messageShri Mataji: its right, alright, I will manage it, you just tell me the timeYogis: quarter to fiveShri Mataji: you are going? May God bless you!New comer: goodbye goodbye Shri Mataji: you have got pleasure, now you are going to come back again, you have to looking after that, alright?New comer: one dayShri Mataji: May God bless you! I’m very happy, now let us see, now this is…see now, see his Kundalini in his stomach, you see, see how it vibrate it, this is the Guru, because the horrible Guru is siting down there in the stomach, that's why its happening, you have to take a name of a Guru, alright! First take the name of Mohammed Mozart, Aham Sakshat Bhriatambara, Aham Sakshat Bhriatambara, , Aham Sakshat Bhraitambara…its acting much more, this is also goodThat how they spoiled your kundalini, this is the one, is Jagadamba, as I told you, is the mother of the universe, this is the sense of serenity in you, Alright! Aham Sakshat Jagadambe, Aham Sakshat Jagadambe, Aham Sakshat Jagadambe…Aham Sakshat Buddha, Aham Sakshat Buddha , Aham Sakshat Buddha , You watch here alright, keep your eyes open, Aham Sakshat Buddha , Aham Sakshat Buddha , Aham Sakshat Buddha ,its come out, its cool come down Martin? On top of your head,Aham Sakshat Buddhan, Aham Sakshat Buddhan, Aham Sakshat Buddhan…Hennn, this is it…New comer: yesShri Mataji: put your hand down, now you see, now this is the proof of the Kundalini, you start feel the Kundalini coming out, that's what kundalini is, Henn… can you feel it?New comer: yes, but fell it is…Shri Mataji: Still there, but much less, it has touched but still has… you see she supply there, she has to supply there, she going on supplying through that out, but still tested up, you see the force is so much tested, it has come, you can feel the coolness coming up?What about you Lakshmi, are you getting any cool on the head or not, see…you all should getting cool in your head, its going up and down, you understand now, this is what its is, is going coming and going up, you watch here, alright! It comes down and it come up… Are you alright now? Very relax isn’t it?Still every body… how is it now, tell me, still there?New comer: Its going upShri Mataji: that's not easy, you see, you have to take something to cure that, he have to beat him with shoes and then so on that, this horrible fellow …what mantra he gives you? New comer: shreremShri Mataji:shriem?New comer: sheremNew comer: that's the one I had too.Shri Mataji:shareem…sherem means nothing… you see this is how they dishonor word, its Shri, its Shri, Shri means know mother her self, its insulting her, by calling her sherem New comer: it's the mother??Shri Mataji: it's the mother, she is the Gauri, she is the Holy Ghost, so they called sherem, its called Shri, its Shri, you see my surname is Srivastava, Shri means the Holy Ghost, Vastava means reality.my surname is also Jag, my surname…Hahnnn…good? Take my name only its work out, hahnn…Now you are alright, you getting cool breeze on both hands?New comer: yesShri Mataji: very nice…New comer: feel very bad, because I meet my diets on Monday,Shri Mataji: Who?New comer: you remember, I asking if you can do spiritual healing…Shri Mataji: yes, yes,New comer: in the mean time, it was on Sunday, so…Shri Mataji: what is his name?New comer: Lousangeles, LousangelesShri Mataji: what a name… what is this?New comer: for youShri Mataji: Oh God, is food?New comer, foodShri Mataji: really?New comer: I hope so?!Shri Mataji: such love?New comer: I hoping for that…Shri Mataji: for all of them?New comer: Oh yes, eventually!Shri Mataji: Is it?New comer: yesShri Mataji: oh really great, very sweet, very generosity!New comer: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: you all alright?New comer: So I send you a letter on Thursday, maybe you will receive tomorrow.Shri Mataji: is it?New comer: I send you a letterShri Mataji: Im interested it, That's all!New comer: I send you late, I’m sorry!!Shri Mataji: now you are alright! Just there, Now you just there alright! Keep your self like this, now ask them how to protect your self, and I will see,Its good? Now he is alright.Now you can see yours, come along, what do you say? He is alright?You see they have insulted everything, everything, Deities, Sanyasa, they have insulted all that is Godly, everything, that's how they have managed. Come along, what’s up, put hand here, Ahom Saks hat Sri, Ahom Saks hat Sri, Ahom Saks hat Sri, its alright! New comer: I feel something on my right sideShri Mataji: yes, there is, put you hand there, apart from that, this Agyna is bad,New comer: where is it?Shri Mataji: this center here, you see all this people falling this center worse of the all, this is Christ center you know?New comer: yesShri Mataji: what do you say, its better? what do you say, about her, its better?Yogis: much betterShri Mataji: its better, where did you get it?Yogis: hereShri Mataji: that's one you get it , where is your mother?New comer: at home, at …Shri Mataji: how is she?New comer: she is worried!Shri Mataji: she is worried about you!New comer: yes,Shri Mataji: for what?New comer: well, I thought last year maybe moving to ??? so worried about that Shri Mataji: now better, now you can have relaxed?New comer: yesShri Mataji: what do you say Colin?Yogis: [UNCLEAR]…Shri Mataji: where? Better? how do you sayYogis: its much better,Shri Mataji: how are you, better?Andy you are alright? What do you think about this?Hehnn…now he is better, you see, your eyes steady thereShri Mataji: you see the eyes,New comer: my eyes is hurting a lot, because im not sleeping,Shri Mataji: why you are not sleeping?New comer: I don't know,Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR] …be very hot, it isn’t allow you to sleep… is better now?New comer: yes, Shri Mataji: are you getting any cool breeze?Yogis: little block is there isn’t it?Shri Matji: is better, turn around, come back, so, stand, now better,New comer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: no see the balance, see the balance, now its alright, or it still different?Tight up on your head, in forward manner alright, always in the forwards manner, in the forward, all of you should go on the forward, hahnn… good? What do you say? The head stillShri Mataji: you say Sahasrara mantra, come alongShri Mataji: you shouldn’t talk loudly, you see meditation is going on, keep quite. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat, Shri Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati , Mahakali, Trigunatmika Shri Kundalini sakshat, Shri Adishakti sakshat, Shri Bhagavati sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nriamala Devi Namo Namah

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"The role of chitta" talk in Marathi. 18 December 1977. To define God they use the term "sat-chitt-ananda" [Sat-truth, Chitta-attention, Ananda-joy]. And if Spirit is the reflection of God then it should be "sat-chitt-ananda" as well. Now let us look at "chitta". What is it? Where is it? What exactly happens when we say the chitt goes to places? So, the so-called attention is everywhere. You may say that: "Ok, let my attention go to London". So it will go there. And you may say: "Let it go to heaven" and so it will. Say you are thinking about your daughter: your attention would then go there. So in a way, you are putting your attention there. So if you just think like: "What is my daughter doing right now?". There goes your attention to the girl. So the attention is spread out, it is like the sea. You can take your ship and sail to whichever shore you want. The waves of your chitta will take you wherever you wish – There is no restriction whatsoever. But that chitta cannot go within, inside human beings. It spreads outside. So we can think about things outside of us, but not if we want to think about – who we are, what we are. That is because the chitta and atma [Spirit] are divided. The two have been separated from one another in human state. And hence you cannot reach your atma through that chitta. It is just like your car. There is the gas/petrol which can spread everywhere, but unless it goes into the carburettor you can’t have the ignition. Likewise, this chitta of human beings that is spread outside needs to be brought in. How do we achieve that? That chitta which is spread out like the ocean, we understand how to use it, where to put it. But how to bring it to the atma? This has been a big question for mankind since the very beginning. You can’t think about it and make it happen - Just like you can’t bring the petrol to the carburetor by thinking. Thus the human is not capable of achieving this task by himself. The only thing he can do is to keep his attention detached. For example, a person who is ‘tamo-guni’ [left sided] or ‘rajo-guni’ [right sided] – his/her attention is too preoccupied to reach God. They are too concerned about this outside world. And then there are people who are ‘Satva-guni’. These people are standing on the lines of ‘Dharma’. And it doesn’t mean that they are very religious or ritualistic people but people who are in the middle, moderate people who have a rational attitude without biases. Scolding; for instance, some may say that it is wrong, not ‘dharmic’. But if you do that for the betterment of others and yourself, it is the best. Just to bear it all upon yourself is no sign of wisdom. A lot of people tell me about how they bore so much aggression from other and the way they took the sufferings all upon themselves. Why? Who told you to do that? This too is a sign of ‘tamoguna’. On the flipside, attacking others is ‘rajoguni’. But to witness everything and taking a decision by staying in the middle is ‘Satvaguni’. It is actually easier done than said. To be ‘satvaguni’ is the easiest. But human beings are twisted that ways, they don’t want anything easy, they won’t believe if it is easy. They want to perform acts of valour! Who has asked them to perform these circus-like antics? Now when I think of it [circus] I wonder who has asked them to stand on their heads, walk on wires? They will do all these acrobats, splits, and injure their chakras in the process. Why? Who has asked them to do these stupid things? Now look at ballet, they call it the ‘artistic dance’ - they do it by moving on their toes. If you do something like that, both your chakras – Nabhi and Vishuddhi - are going to go out of order. So you see, people feel the need to do something that goes out of the way, all the time. They feel like the more they do it, the more expert the person becomes! But by doing so they spoil their chakras. And then they say that – Mother, we do so many things and we still haven’t got our Realization. So the people who practice things in the extreme fall short in taking to Sahaja. People who don’t push themselves to the extreme in order to achieve something, who accept their limits and know when to stop – their chitta doesn’t get too involved into a particular thing and remains relatively free. Now if you bring a wrestler to me and ask to give him Realization, that is very difficult. He is going to be so imbalanced. Though he is very developed physically, his emotional state is in complete imbalance. He is going to be suffering from diabetes, to begin with. If not that, then his brain [too egoistic] must have gone wrong. Else he is going to be a very dry personality. So this is one type of imbalance – the other is of the brain. Intellectualism. People who rely on their brain – they will read to no end. So the attention is completely preoccupied in all such cases. None of it remains free to be put to anything else. The attention is spread throughout your body by your central nervous system. And it exists inside every cell. So if you get physically hurt, the cell will inform the nervous system and your chitta will then go to that part of the body. But you can’t take your chitta to what is going on inside the cell. So you don’t know what exactly is going on in your body until something starts hurting. So all these people who take it to the extremes, if I tell them to bring their attention to the center, they won’t listen. So the people who are in the middle, who have their mentality in the middle are the ones who take to Sahaja the best. Very ‘successful’ people won’t work out because the success has gone to their heads and ruined them. They have so much ego that they are blind to how that ego is damaging them – they go flowing away in their own whims. So people having individualistic mentalities will find it difficult to take to Sahaja. The reason for that is because their attention is not in balance. We need to bring our chitta in the center to begin with. How to tell if it is there? Both your hands should have equal vibrations. First get the balance. Nothing is going to get better without that. Even if you have a lot of force but one of your side is crooked, then how will I be able to open your Sahasrara? That is simple logic. First bring the balance in your life. Now some people will be so strict with themselves about getting up at exactly 4 o’clock in the morning. They‘ll forcefully wake up everyone else for pujas, bhajans etc... That is wrong. You should be ‘Sahaj’ about it. I’ll wake you up, be relaxed about it. You should be like the birds who wake up in the morning, chirping joyfully. So you will find egoistic people who proudly say that this is the way I do things, this is my way, your way doesn’t work for me etc. – and they are not even ashamed about it. Such people are no good for Sahaja. Their chittas are incapable of taking to Sahaja. So your attention should be in balance all the time. Now, what happens at the time of Realization, Kundalini which nourishes the chitta, gets enlightened. Or you could say that it acts like a magnet, the Kundalini absorbs in the chitta. So all this chitta which is spread out everywhere, all of it gets pulled into the Kundalini. And then she starts her journey towards the location of the atma where ‘Sadashiva’ resides, above the Sahasrara. Actually, the heart is Shiva’s ‘home’- it’s called the ‘pitha’. But he is present at the Sahasrara – that is his ‘Sthaan’, his office. Like the Governor, he has his home and then he has his office. And as soon as the Kundalini comes and touches his feet, you come to know about that in your heart – that the kundalini has reached Sahasrara.Now the Kundalini gets showered with the light of the atma, the light of the Spirit gets flashed upon it. And at that point in time the chitta of a human being gets the light of the Spirit. It means that the light of Spirit enters your central nervous system. So your awareness gets a new dimension now. And what happens in that dimension – The first aspect it gets is that of truth, meaning, you get the experience. That experience is the only truth, everything else is false. You might have read the ancient scriptures (Bible, Gita, Quran) but this experience is what makes you realize that all that was told in them was the truth.So to know whatever you had previously read was true, the power to validate between truth and untruth now gets manifested within your chitta. Are you understanding this? Perhaps not. Until you got your Realization you didn’t really know what is accepted by your chitta as the truth. For example if you were to think about God: "Does he really exist? Maybe, my grandma said so", you may say. But does he really exist? No way to tell for sure. You don’t really know anything for sure. But once you get your Realization and the vibrations start flowing through your hands, then all of a sudden you start knowing if something is real or not. Now put hands on your lap and ask yourself this question: Does God exist? And you’ll see that the vibrations will start flowing in leaps and bounds. So basically you get the experience of the truth. The absolute truth stands before you. The relative disappears. So you starting knowing what is caught up. The doctors will perform all sorts of diagnosis on a patient to determine what is wrong but even then they might not be accurate - or even right for that matter. But you now have the power to know what is wrong with a person, within a split second. You can now ‘understand’ truth. You now know – what the truth is at a given point in time. For example, you have this person standing in front of you right now. You know what is wrong with him – what chakras of his are caught up. So everyone who is realized will know what is wrong with him and, at the same time, what is caught up in themselves. The other thing is – you also come to realize that there is something (negativity) that has caught hold of us- but we are not the ones holding onto it. So now you don’t feel bad about it. Just tell Mother about it and the problem is solved. But if you were to tell a non-Realized person that he/she is caught up, they would probably come back hitting at you. But only a Yogi has the wisdom to see that negativity and ask Mother to take it out. On the contrary, a non-Yogi gets identified with that negativity. So if the Yogis are caught up, they don’t feel bad about it because they know that whatever Mother is saying is the truth. All they want is to get rid of that negativity. So no one feels bad about it now. Although they (Yogis) used to feel bad in the beginning. If someone said that a person’s chakra was caught up, that person used to deny that and blame the other instead, saying that he was the one who was actually caught up [Shri Mataji is laughing]. This was the situation at some point in the past. Not so bad right now. It is getting better. Now all of you understand that it is something in your attention that is caught up, nothing to do with your Spirit. That dirty ‘something’ in your attention is what is ‘caught up’ and needs to go away. So the description of atma is the embodiment of truth. Meaning that it tells you what is true. It will never lie to you. Once the light of truth starts shining – ask any questions, ask away. Ask about Me. So many people spoke against Me, called Me a liar. It never affected Me. I realized that there was no point in explaining them: these people are blind. Why get angry on someone who cannot see? They are going to stumble across some ditch and fall into it. But at least I can tell them: "Stand still for a bit, let me fix your eyes." Now once the eyes are fixed, they start seeing what is going on, who is Mataji, is this real or not. Once they see, then they get the experience and then everything turns out fine. But if the person doesn’t even have eyes in the first place, then what is the point in arguing with that person? So I keep telling you: "Don’t argue, don’t fight with anyone. It is never going to work out through arguments." And the reason for that is – You won’t get to know the truth through anyplace except your atma. The absolute truth, about anything, can be understood through your atma. So anything, let it be science, politics – anything in this world – all of it gets understood through your heart, through your atma. You can’t get it from anywhere else. So in a way I don’t understand Politics, that is the politics of human beings. But actually I do. And then again I don’t! Meaning, the knowledge of the atma that is absolute and that is what I understand. But the knowledge that is illusionary, I don’t pay attention to it and neither do I want to tell you about it. All the knowledge which is illusionary, that which has been termed as ‘avidya’[false knowledge] by Surdas [a saint in India], I don’t have my attention on it, and neither should you.So now you have acquired a new sight – the light of atma – through which you get the experience of truth, you understand the truth and you stand in it. The truth is flowing through your hands. So chitta is a form of God.Now I am sitting here, and you come and tell Me something: I just bring it in my attention and the work is done. Such is the power of this enlightened attention. You only need a little divine desire to work it out along with it. That’s what is called the divine chitta. But you still have to develop yours. But it is sufficiently strong enough if you bring Me into your attention and ask Me to get some work done, it will be done. But for that to happen you should have Me in your heart. That is not the case. The expectation from people is: "We told mother so many time. Yet, She hasn’t helped us out." So they want to exercise their rights on Me. But they should first introspect and find out how much of those rights have they exercised over themselves? Like you would go to a race course and ask Me to make your horse win. Be assured that your horse will never win, you will lose big time. Same for gambling: if you gamble in my name then you are in for a great loss. Never take my name and do such things! So, the truth, which is a form of the Almighty, is present in your atma. It resides in you. Once you come to know that God, once the truth manifests in you and you feel it flowing through your hands, you come to understand your true Self. You also get to know others as well through that truth. Not only that, but you also come to know the entire world. So you see, the truth and chitta now become one. There is no difference between them. Your chitta is the truth and truth is the chitta because if you ask any question, your chitta has the answer to it. They start to differ when you start thinking for no reason. Whenever you are faced with any question, you need to ask if that is this truth or not. But you need to ask the right questions. For example, take London. They keep telling Me that: "We cannot find a place for the ashram", that "we tried a lot. We met such and such people yet things are not working out." Is it so? What is so special about you, why should someone want to meet you? "Because we are Sahaja Yogis" they say. So what? You’ve got the vibratory awareness, haven’t you? "Yes", they say. So did you use it? "No, but we did go and try to meet important people like the mayor etc..." Why? How is he related to Me? Did you ask the Almighty? Did you check your vibrations? Did you give vibrations to the problem? Use all these tools and see how things work out. And eventually they did get it [a place for ashram]. So the only thing that you have to use from now onwards is your vibrations, nothing else – not even your intellect, because this brain is limited. You have to live by vibrations only. Whatever is needed, tell your chakras. Give bandhans. Again, not for the horses in the race! If you want to ask for something then ask for something that befits a king. Why should you act like a beggar? Would anyone make the beggar a king? So ask accordingly. And when you ask for something likewise everything will have to sort itself out, won’t it? Isn’t it obvious?When you become the president of a country, don’t you get the residence to stay in for free as well? But if someone says that it is his wish to stay in a ‘residence’ then what will people say? Better to make him a clerk at the president’s office then. These things that I am telling you are all very simple. If your chitta is all the time fixed on your vibrations then it is eventually going to become the truth itself – and truth will become the chitta. You will be surprised, you will experience miracles, every step of your way. You'll say:"I don’t understand how this happened". I am telling you: "Your chitta should become the truth." That is all. And go for whatever may come in front of you. You shouldn’t have any resolves. For example, you shouldn’t be too much like: "I have to go there today, I have to get this done." You shouldn’t plan too stringently.Say, you buy a ticket to go someplace. You get on the bus. And a person comes and sits beside you. You should think: "Why not start talking to him about Sahaja? There must be a reason why the divine has crossed my path with him, now why should I keep my mouth shut?" Sahaja Yogi: … as soon as I start talking to people about Sahaja I start getting tremendous flow of vibrations out of my head.Shri Mataji: Yes, instantaneously. They will start flowing through you at that moment. It is a tremendous power which is spread everywhere, and it is active all the time. And it is doing such beautiful work, you only need to start rolling it into motion. So now, your chitta becomes the truth. That is the first stage in Sahaja Yoga. But the joy is still to come. How does that stage come? When we start searching for it. We don’t search for joy, we search for sorrow. For example, you try to find out what’s wrong with you, what you are catching: "There is nothing wrong with me, I am perfectly fine." Just try to feel that and see for yourself. Your engine has started already. Now don’t you need to step on the accelerator a bit? How will the car move otherwise? The joy is spread everywhere throughout your chitta. But you cannot experience it because it is not calm, it is moving all the time. You say: "Now we have these catches here, we are caught up there." How can that happen? Impossible.Sahaja Yogi: Shoebeating is a very good way.Shri Mataji : If you think you have got the catches from a person, shoebeat his name as well as yours, and it works out. Yes, shoebeat. But eventually, you’ll realize that shoebeating too is a trick played on your mind. You will reach a stage where you won’t catch any negativities. Instead you will start catching onto others. Like I do [Shri Mataji laughs]. But you leave Me and keep running away from time to time. How will you get the joy then? If all the time you keep thinking about these negative things, like: "Now I have this ‘badha’, that ‘badha’[negativities]”, then for sure you will catch them. The thing is, after Sahaja, your brain should become very light. If you realize that God is present inside you and he is showering his light upon you, if you just think about how that light would be like – that’s it, your entire brain will get filled up with that light.Now, take small children for example. There are joyous all the time. How come? Because they don’t have attachment to things. They will play and once they finish they will come looking for water. After water they will want to do something else.But adults are like: "This is my brother, this is my father – cure them." "All right." Then: "This is my grandfather, cure him." Done! Now: "This is my great-grandfather…" And the list goes on! Why have you taken all these things onto yourselves instead of thinking about your joy? "Thinking over" here means that: "Mother has given this fun thing, let me at least see what that is." But you seem to have taken up to cure everyone around you.If you come to know of anyone who is not keeping well, you will call Me up and tell Me about them that I will ‘have’ to see them, that I will have to cure them. To all such people, if you see someone around you who has problems, tell them to take My photograph and meditate upon it. If your faith is true, it will work out. You needn’t do anything else. Just tell them that you have told Me. It will even work out if you when you think of Me and put your attention on it. But what is the need to call Me? We listen even when you ask us and we are not present in person. But the faith should be present, shouldn’t it? If you have this faith: “I believe in my Mother and when I ask Her to solve problems, she does everything”, we will do everything you say. But everything is dependent upon your faith.I have told you that everything is going to work out. We have taken you under our wings. Your word will not go false. Just ask Me and see. Go and ask those people who have followed this path: none of them ever calls Me. Why do you need phones? You have one in your heart. Only need to ask and it is done. But again, the faith needs to be there.The faiths still haven’t developed to that extent. Those who have this faith are in joy all the time. Raptures of vibrations are flowing through those hands all the time; those hands have done good to so many people. God only knows. Now, finding your faults and crying over it – another very bad habit. I’ve told you so many times, yet, you still keep doing it. What faults – what is so serious about them? I have a very good soap – I will wash away all those faults of yours. What is so big about them, let us see? Does any of that rise above the love I have for you? If a child falls down, gets his hand dirty and starts crying, the mother consoles him saying that she will wash it and make it clean again, doesn’t she? It is just the same thing. But you just keep on crying.To begin with, let Me at least see what is so wrong. Honestly, I don’t see anything wrong. All of you seem like roses. But you keep cutting yourselves with your own scissors. How will you get the joy then? You are your own enemy. But aren’t you all sitting here in front of Me because you are something special? How many times do I need to tell that to you now? Now ascend. You are higher than Shivaji Maharaja [A great king from Maharashtra, India]. All big saints and gurus are at your feet. So ascend the throne. And enjoy your virtues. Now let go of my hand and stand by yourself. There came a gentleman, he was saying: "I will come see you, but only in your house." Why alone? "Because if I come see you in a group then I start catching from others." Is it so? I don’t want such sissies. We have many such over-smart people. And then you say that you have great sorrows. Of course you will be sad then. There is such joy, can’t you see? All you saint people all together. You don’t have an idea how saints used to live in earlier times, everyone was all alone, by themselves. Tukaram [Saint from Maharashtra, India] was alone and there were hundreds to trouble him. Dyaneshwar [Saint from Maharashtra, India] suffered the same ways. No one was left in peace. People found every one of them and destroyed their lives. Now you are so many! Yet, you fight amongst yourselves.Take joy in one another, enjoy one another’s vibrations, see what joy it is! Everyone is better than the other. Like, there is a pearl necklace and it has got many beautiful pearls on it. They need to fill up the necklace and make Me look beautiful. But the pearls kept rubbing against one another, got eroded and then vanished away. Now what to do? To experience the state of joy, just settle down a bit. The source of joy needs to be taken in a calm state of mind. So when such dirty thoughts start entering our minds - and I will refer to such thoughts as dirty because all that which is not nourishing your joy is dirty – then ask them why do they enter you. Why do you bring in such dirty thoughts? You are Sahaja Yogis. It is you, you are this invaluable lot that I have happened to get in this Kali Yuga. You have ascended to such a high level. And you are going to cry now? "I am not going to deny or miss my joy", that should be the attitude. This element of joy needs to be kept with you all the time. It is like the rays of a "diva"[oil lamp on altar]. The rays reveal the truth. Through them you will know what is real and what is false. But out of it all, that which burns – the oil – is love, the love of the Almighty. It has been burning day and night. All that put together, the wick, oil, light, all that is love. If you feel love for someone, be it a man, a lady, a child, whoever it may be, you come to know everything about them. You come to know all the truth about them. You experience joy in that love, and your entire attention is drawn towards that person.But it is the love for God that we are talking about. There is only one difference which separates the two, and that is a very great difference. It is in the love for God that you get to meet your ‘atma’. The other type of love has two shades to it: joy and sorrow. In God’s love, only joy exists, there are no two sides to it. So when you love someone, you don’t think about how you love them, you just do. That is how your love for God should be like: from your heart. There are no thoughts involved. When thoughts come into the picture, the whole thing gets a sheen of artificiality.But when it is entirely through the heart, you get to experience something so beautiful that no words can describe it. This work you do is the blessings of that atma. This mind, ego, super-ego – the atma is much beyond all of them. And when its light enters all of them [inaudible].But without Realization, all of these concepts are meaningless. Realization needs to happen. Without that, there is no point to anything – People are only wasting their time discussing such things. So divert your attention a little towards your joy. Now we need to be able to find that joy inside us. And whenever you start getting negative thoughts you should say "no" to them. These bad habits should be given up. It is within you that the waves of joy are rising. But the problem is that you don’t have your attention over there. There was this girl in London. About eight days before coming to my program she started feeling overjoyed. She couldn’t understand why – more so because she was actually in sorrow as her husband used to ill-treat her. And she seemed joyous throughout the program. And later she came and told me how she was feeling. That she had realized why she was experiencing that joy, that she had found that source of joy. And as soon as she forwarded her hands towards Me, the vibrations increased even more – she said. She got her Realization very easily and that had happened 8 days before that day, automatically. I never even had to place my hand on her. She said she had seen my photograph. She knew that it would be at that program, that she would come to know how she had found that joy. She must have been a great soul, seeking in her past lives. So instead of thinking about your mother, sister, father, brother, etc… you should start thinking about yourself, that you should achieve that joy. All these old ways of thinking should be given up. What you do outside, how much you move your hands, there is no greatness in all these things. The greatness lies in what becomes of you, how much you ascend. I feel Sahaja is still a baby’s cradle. If you go elsewhere, to begin with, they will ask you to fast for 5 days, make rounds of SiddhiVinayaka [Lord Ganesha’s swayambhu in Mumbai, India] for 7 days, pay the priest of some temple with so much amount of money and many other tasks of such types. Else, they will ask you to give money to some guru, or stand on your heads for 8 days, do this, do that - some stupid acts.But Sahaja is the opposite in that. It first gives you the absolute. It is a becoming not the being. Understood? This is the foundation of Sahaja. So now, what you turn into down the line, that is to be seen. What becomes of you, that is to be seen. That is where your attention should be. Everything else is taken care of. Everything will ‘become’ if you ‘become’. The world around you as you know it – does anything lie beyond it? No, right? So when you become all right, the world will also turn all right. Everything is in mess because you are not all right. You are not all right, meaning your vision is not all right. If someone says that everything around should be perfect, how do you expect that to happen? From where should the perfection originate, others or yourself? A simple question, common sense as you call it. Common sense means staying in the middle. You say that the whole world should be perfect. How is it possible? That is very subjective, people around you would have different ideas of perfection that won’t match yours. It is a complicated statement that you make. Instead you should say that: "It is I who should become perfect. Have I become perfect yet?" It doesn’t mean that you feel bad about yourself by thinking about your faults. "Not yet. So let me become perfect". Meaning: have I experienced the joy? Once you find that source of joy within yourself – and you are fully capable of finding that source because you have come to Sahaja – so once you find it, you will discover joy in everything. I don’t understand what is there to feel so sad about. The entire scenario changes. Cosmic changes occur. It is like if you are the bulbs on the stage and are projecting light onto it: the stage will be lit with whatever color the glass of the bulb is made of. You change your colors, you change the colors of the stage. People should change. So, "sat-chitt-ananda" is a form of God. "Ananda" [joy] is the experience and "sat" is the knowledge. And that which experiences it is your chitta. So when all these three integrate, then you can say that your Realization has become complete. The integration should happen, complete integration. But now you shouldn’t ask like: "What should I do for Sahaja, how should I behave?" I don’t want to set rules. But you by yourself should decide through the vibrations you feel. You have their complete freedom. You should see through vibrations what is right, what is not. We do already know that about basic things. But through vibrations you actually get to know the truth, in and out. And if you start walking by what the vibrations say, you will eventually become the source of joy. So the entire establishment of atma that is within will manifest itself outside and will shine through you. And people around you will know that you are something special. [The audio gets cut at this point]

"The role of chitta" talk in Marathi. 18 December 1977. To define God they use the term "sat-chitt-ananda" [Sat-truth, Chitta-attention, Ananda-joy]. And if Spirit is the reflection of God then it should be "sat-chitt-ananda" as well. Now let us look at "chitta". What is it? Where is it? What exactly happens when we say the chitt goes to places? So, the so-called attention is everywhere. You may say that: "Ok, let my attention go to London". So it will go there. And you may say: "Let it go to heaven" and so it will. Say you are thinking about your daughter: your attention would then go there. So in a way, you are putting your attention there. So if you just think like: "What is my daughter doing right now?". There goes your attention to the girl. So the attention is spread out, it is like the sea. You can take your ship and sail to whichever shore you want. The waves of your chitta will take you wherever you wish – There is no restriction whatsoever. But that chitta cannot go within, inside human beings. It spreads outside. So we can think about things outside of us, but not if we want to think about – who we are, what we are. That is because the chitta and atma [Spirit] are divided. The two have been separated from one another in human state. And hence you cannot reach your atma through that chitta. It is just like your car. There is the gas/petrol which can spread everywhere, but unless it goes into the carburettor you can’t have the ignition. Likewise, this chitta of human beings that is spread outside needs to be brought in. How do we achieve that? That chitta which is spread out like the ocean, we understand how to use it, where to put it. But how to bring it to the atma? This has been a big question for mankind since the very beginning. You can’t think about it and make it happen - Just like you can’t bring the petrol to the carburetor by thinking. Thus the human is not capable of achieving this task by himself. The only thing he can do is to keep his attention detached. For example, a person who is ‘tamo-guni’ [left sided] or ‘rajo-guni’ [right sided] – his/her attention is too preoccupied to reach God. They are too concerned about this outside world. And then there are people who are ‘Satva-guni’. These people are standing on the lines of ‘Dharma’. And it doesn’t mean that they are very religious or ritualistic people but people who are in the middle, moderate people who have a rational attitude without biases. Scolding; for instance, some may say that it is wrong, not ‘dharmic’. But if you do that for the betterment of others and yourself, it is the best. Just to bear it all upon yourself is no sign of wisdom. A lot of people tell me about how they bore so much aggression from other and the way they took the sufferings all upon themselves. Why? Who told you to do that? This too is a sign of ‘tamoguna’. On the flipside, attacking others is ‘rajoguni’. But to witness everything and taking a decision by staying in the middle is ‘Satvaguni’. It is actually easier done than said. To be ‘satvaguni’ is the easiest. But human beings are twisted that ways, they don’t want anything easy, they won’t believe if it is easy. They want to perform acts of valour! Who has asked them to perform these circus-like antics? Now when I think of it [circus] I wonder who has asked them to stand on their heads, walk on wires? They will do all these acrobats, splits, and injure their chakras in the process. Why? Who has asked them to do these stupid things? Now look at ballet, they call it the ‘artistic dance’ - they do it by moving on their toes. If you do something like that, both your chakras – Nabhi and Vishuddhi - are going to go out of order. So you see, people feel the need to do something that goes out of the way, all the time. They feel like the more they do it, the more expert the person becomes! But by doing so they spoil their chakras. And then they say that – Mother, we do so many things and we still haven’t got our Realization. So the people who practice things in the extreme fall short in taking to Sahaja. People who don’t push themselves to the extreme in order to achieve something, who accept their limits and know when to stop – their chitta doesn’t get too involved into a particular thing and remains relatively free. Now if you bring a wrestler to me and ask to give him Realization, that is very difficult. He is going to be so imbalanced. Though he is very developed physically, his emotional state is in complete imbalance. He is going to be suffering from diabetes, to begin with. If not that, then his brain [too egoistic] must have gone wrong. Else he is going to be a very dry personality. So this is one type of imbalance – the other is of the brain. Intellectualism. People who rely on their brain – they will read to no end. So the attention is completely preoccupied in all such cases. None of it remains free to be put to anything else. The attention is spread throughout your body by your central nervous system. And it exists inside every cell. So if you get physically hurt, the cell will inform the nervous system and your chitta will then go to that part of the body. But you can’t take your chitta to what is going on inside the cell. So you don’t know what exactly is going on in your body until something starts hurting. So all these people who take it to the extremes, if I tell them to bring their attention to the center, they won’t listen. So the people who are in the middle, who have their mentality in the middle are the ones who take to Sahaja the best. Very ‘successful’ people won’t work out because the success has gone to their heads and ruined them. They have so much ego that they are blind to how that ego is damaging them – they go flowing away in their own whims. So people having individualistic mentalities will find it difficult to take to Sahaja. The reason for that is because their attention is not in balance. We need to bring our chitta in the center to begin with. How to tell if it is there? Both your hands should have equal vibrations. First get the balance. Nothing is going to get better without that. Even if you have a lot of force but one of your side is crooked, then how will I be able to open your Sahasrara? That is simple logic. First bring the balance in your life. Now some people will be so strict with themselves about getting up at exactly 4 o’clock in the morning. They‘ll forcefully wake up everyone else for pujas, bhajans etc... That is wrong. You should be ‘Sahaj’ about it. I’ll wake you up, be relaxed about it. You should be like the birds who wake up in the morning, chirping joyfully. So you will find egoistic people who proudly say that this is the way I do things, this is my way, your way doesn’t work for me etc. – and they are not even ashamed about it. Such people are no good for Sahaja. Their chittas are incapable of taking to Sahaja. So your attention should be in balance all the time. Now, what happens at the time of Realization, Kundalini which nourishes the chitta, gets enlightened. Or you could say that it acts like a magnet, the Kundalini absorbs in the chitta. So all this chitta which is spread out everywhere, all of it gets pulled into the Kundalini. And then she starts her journey towards the location of the atma where ‘Sadashiva’ resides, above the Sahasrara. Actually, the heart is Shiva’s ‘home’- it’s called the ‘pitha’. But he is present at the Sahasrara – that is his ‘Sthaan’, his office. Like the Governor, he has his home and then he has his office. And as soon as the Kundalini comes and touches his feet, you come to know about that in your heart – that the kundalini has reached Sahasrara.Now the Kundalini gets showered with the light of the atma, the light of the Spirit gets flashed upon it. And at that point in time the chitta of a human being gets the light of the Spirit. It means that the light of Spirit enters your central nervous system. So your awareness gets a new dimension now. And what happens in that dimension – The first aspect it gets is that of truth, meaning, you get the experience. That experience is the only truth, everything else is false. You might have read the ancient scriptures (Bible, Gita, Quran) but this experience is what makes you realize that all that was told in them was the truth.So to know whatever you had previously read was true, the power to validate between truth and untruth now gets manifested within your chitta. Are you understanding this? Perhaps not. Until you got your Realization you didn’t really know what is accepted by your chitta as the truth. For example if you were to think about God: "Does he really exist? Maybe, my grandma said so", you may say. But does he really exist? No way to tell for sure. You don’t really know anything for sure. But once you get your Realization and the vibrations start flowing through your hands, then all of a sudden you start knowing if something is real or not. Now put hands on your lap and ask yourself this question: Does God exist? And you’ll see that the vibrations will start flowing in leaps and bounds. So basically you get the experience of the truth. The absolute truth stands before you. The relative disappears. So you starting knowing what is caught up. The doctors will perform all sorts of diagnosis on a patient to determine what is wrong but even then they might not be accurate - or even right for that matter. But you now have the power to know what is wrong with a person, within a split second. You can now ‘understand’ truth. You now know – what the truth is at a given point in time. For example, you have this person standing in front of you right now. You know what is wrong with him – what chakras of his are caught up. So everyone who is realized will know what is wrong with him and, at the same time, what is caught up in themselves. The other thing is – you also come to realize that there is something (negativity) that has caught hold of us- but we are not the ones holding onto it. So now you don’t feel bad about it. Just tell Mother about it and the problem is solved. But if you were to tell a non-Realized person that he/she is caught up, they would probably come back hitting at you. But only a Yogi has the wisdom to see that negativity and ask Mother to take it out. On the contrary, a non-Yogi gets identified with that negativity. So if the Yogis are caught up, they don’t feel bad about it because they know that whatever Mother is saying is the truth. All they want is to get rid of that negativity. So no one feels bad about it now. Although they (Yogis) used to feel bad in the beginning. If someone said that a person’s chakra was caught up, that person used to deny that and blame the other instead, saying that he was the one who was actually caught up [Shri Mataji is laughing]. This was the situation at some point in the past. Not so bad right now. It is getting better. Now all of you understand that it is something in your attention that is caught up, nothing to do with your Spirit. That dirty ‘something’ in your attention is what is ‘caught up’ and needs to go away. So the description of atma is the embodiment of truth. Meaning that it tells you what is true. It will never lie to you. Once the light of truth starts shining – ask any questions, ask away. Ask about Me. So many people spoke against Me, called Me a liar. It never affected Me. I realized that there was no point in explaining them: these people are blind. Why get angry on someone who cannot see? They are going to stumble across some ditch and fall into it. But at least I can tell them: "Stand still for a bit, let me fix your eyes." Now once the eyes are fixed, they start seeing what is going on, who is Mataji, is this real or not. Once they see, then they get the experience and then everything turns out fine. But if the person doesn’t even have eyes in the first place, then what is the point in arguing with that person? So I keep telling you: "Don’t argue, don’t fight with anyone. It is never going to work out through arguments." And the reason for that is – You won’t get to know the truth through anyplace except your atma. The absolute truth, about anything, can be understood through your atma. So anything, let it be science, politics – anything in this world – all of it gets understood through your heart, through your atma. You can’t get it from anywhere else. So in a way I don’t understand Politics, that is the politics of human beings. But actually I do. And then again I don’t! Meaning, the knowledge of the atma that is absolute and that is what I understand. But the knowledge that is illusionary, I don’t pay attention to it and neither do I want to tell you about it. All the knowledge which is illusionary, that which has been termed as ‘avidya’[false knowledge] by Surdas [a saint in India], I don’t have my attention on it, and neither should you.So now you have acquired a new sight – the light of atma – through which you get the experience of truth, you understand the truth and you stand in it. The truth is flowing through your hands. So chitta is a form of God.Now I am sitting here, and you come and tell Me something: I just bring it in my attention and the work is done. Such is the power of this enlightened attention. You only need a little divine desire to work it out along with it. That’s what is called the divine chitta. But you still have to develop yours. But it is sufficiently strong enough if you bring Me into your attention and ask Me to get some work done, it will be done. But for that to happen you should have Me in your heart. That is not the case. The expectation from people is: "We told mother so many time. Yet, She hasn’t helped us out." So they want to exercise their rights on Me. But they should first introspect and find out how much of those rights have they exercised over themselves? Like you would go to a race course and ask Me to make your horse win. Be assured that your horse will never win, you will lose big time. Same for gambling: if you gamble in my name then you are in for a great loss. Never take my name and do such things! So, the truth, which is a form of the Almighty, is present in your atma. It resides in you. Once you come to know that God, once the truth manifests in you and you feel it flowing through your hands, you come to understand your true Self. You also get to know others as well through that truth. Not only that, but you also come to know the entire world. So you see, the truth and chitta now become one. There is no difference between them. Your chitta is the truth and truth is the chitta because if you ask any question, your chitta has the answer to it. They start to differ when you start thinking for no reason. Whenever you are faced with any question, you need to ask if that is this truth or not. But you need to ask the right questions. For example, take London. They keep telling Me that: "We cannot find a place for the ashram", that "we tried a lot. We met such and such people yet things are not working out." Is it so? What is so special about you, why should someone want to meet you? "Because we are Sahaja Yogis" they say. So what? You’ve got the vibratory awareness, haven’t you? "Yes", they say. So did you use it? "No, but we did go and try to meet important people like the mayor etc..." Why? How is he related to Me? Did you ask the Almighty? Did you check your vibrations? Did you give vibrations to the problem? Use all these tools and see how things work out. And eventually they did get it [a place for ashram]. So the only thing that you have to use from now onwards is your vibrations, nothing else – not even your intellect, because this brain is limited. You have to live by vibrations only. Whatever is needed, tell your chakras. Give bandhans. Again, not for the horses in the race! If you want to ask for something then ask for something that befits a king. Why should you act like a beggar? Would anyone make the beggar a king? So ask accordingly. And when you ask for something likewise everything will have to sort itself out, won’t it? Isn’t it obvious?When you become the president of a country, don’t you get the residence to stay in for free as well? But if someone says that it is his wish to stay in a ‘residence’ then what will people say? Better to make him a clerk at the president’s office then. These things that I am telling you are all very simple. If your chitta is all the time fixed on your vibrations then it is eventually going to become the truth itself – and truth will become the chitta. You will be surprised, you will experience miracles, every step of your way. You'll say:"I don’t understand how this happened". I am telling you: "Your chitta should become the truth." That is all. And go for whatever may come in front of you. You shouldn’t have any resolves. For example, you shouldn’t be too much like: "I have to go there today, I have to get this done." You shouldn’t plan too stringently.Say, you buy a ticket to go someplace. You get on the bus. And a person comes and sits beside you. You should think: "Why not start talking to him about Sahaja? There must be a reason why the divine has crossed my path with him, now why should I keep my mouth shut?" Sahaja Yogi: … as soon as I start talking to people about Sahaja I start getting tremendous flow of vibrations out of my head.Shri Mataji: Yes, instantaneously. They will start flowing through you at that moment. It is a tremendous power which is spread everywhere, and it is active all the time. And it is doing such beautiful work, you only need to start rolling it into motion. So now, your chitta becomes the truth. That is the first stage in Sahaja Yoga. But the joy is still to come. How does that stage come? When we start searching for it. We don’t search for joy, we search for sorrow. For example, you try to find out what’s wrong with you, what you are catching: "There is nothing wrong with me, I am perfectly fine." Just try to feel that and see for yourself. Your engine has started already. Now don’t you need to step on the accelerator a bit? How will the car move otherwise? The joy is spread everywhere throughout your chitta. But you cannot experience it because it is not calm, it is moving all the time. You say: "Now we have these catches here, we are caught up there." How can that happen? Impossible.Sahaja Yogi: Shoebeating is a very good way.Shri Mataji : If you think you have got the catches from a person, shoebeat his name as well as yours, and it works out. Yes, shoebeat. But eventually, you’ll realize that shoebeating too is a trick played on your mind. You will reach a stage where you won’t catch any negativities. Instead you will start catching onto others. Like I do [Shri Mataji laughs]. But you leave Me and keep running away from time to time. How will you get the joy then? If all the time you keep thinking about these negative things, like: "Now I have this ‘badha’, that ‘badha’[negativities]”, then for sure you will catch them. The thing is, after Sahaja, your brain should become very light. If you realize that God is present inside you and he is showering his light upon you, if you just think about how that light would be like – that’s it, your entire brain will get filled up with that light.Now, take small children for example. There are joyous all the time. How come? Because they don’t have attachment to things. They will play and once they finish they will come looking for water. After water they will want to do something else.But adults are like: "This is my brother, this is my father – cure them." "All right." Then: "This is my grandfather, cure him." Done! Now: "This is my great-grandfather…" And the list goes on! Why have you taken all these things onto yourselves instead of thinking about your joy? "Thinking over" here means that: "Mother has given this fun thing, let me at least see what that is." But you seem to have taken up to cure everyone around you.If you come to know of anyone who is not keeping well, you will call Me up and tell Me about them that I will ‘have’ to see them, that I will have to cure them. To all such people, if you see someone around you who has problems, tell them to take My photograph and meditate upon it. If your faith is true, it will work out. You needn’t do anything else. Just tell them that you have told Me. It will even work out if you when you think of Me and put your attention on it. But what is the need to call Me? We listen even when you ask us and we are not present in person. But the faith should be present, shouldn’t it? If you have this faith: “I believe in my Mother and when I ask Her to solve problems, she does everything”, we will do everything you say. But everything is dependent upon your faith.I have told you that everything is going to work out. We have taken you under our wings. Your word will not go false. Just ask Me and see. Go and ask those people who have followed this path: none of them ever calls Me. Why do you need phones? You have one in your heart. Only need to ask and it is done. But again, the faith needs to be there.The faiths still haven’t developed to that extent. Those who have this faith are in joy all the time. Raptures of vibrations are flowing through those hands all the time; those hands have done good to so many people. God only knows. Now, finding your faults and crying over it – another very bad habit. I’ve told you so many times, yet, you still keep doing it. What faults – what is so serious about them? I have a very good soap – I will wash away all those faults of yours. What is so big about them, let us see? Does any of that rise above the love I have for you? If a child falls down, gets his hand dirty and starts crying, the mother consoles him saying that she will wash it and make it clean again, doesn’t she? It is just the same thing. But you just keep on crying.To begin with, let Me at least see what is so wrong. Honestly, I don’t see anything wrong. All of you seem like roses. But you keep cutting yourselves with your own scissors. How will you get the joy then? You are your own enemy. But aren’t you all sitting here in front of Me because you are something special? How many times do I need to tell that to you now? Now ascend. You are higher than Shivaji Maharaja [A great king from Maharashtra, India]. All big saints and gurus are at your feet. So ascend the throne. And enjoy your virtues. Now let go of my hand and stand by yourself. There came a gentleman, he was saying: "I will come see you, but only in your house." Why alone? "Because if I come see you in a group then I start catching from others." Is it so? I don’t want such sissies. We have many such over-smart people. And then you say that you have great sorrows. Of course you will be sad then. There is such joy, can’t you see? All you saint people all together. You don’t have an idea how saints used to live in earlier times, everyone was all alone, by themselves. Tukaram [Saint from Maharashtra, India] was alone and there were hundreds to trouble him. Dyaneshwar [Saint from Maharashtra, India] suffered the same ways. No one was left in peace. People found every one of them and destroyed their lives. Now you are so many! Yet, you fight amongst yourselves.Take joy in one another, enjoy one another’s vibrations, see what joy it is! Everyone is better than the other. Like, there is a pearl necklace and it has got many beautiful pearls on it. They need to fill up the necklace and make Me look beautiful. But the pearls kept rubbing against one another, got eroded and then vanished away. Now what to do? To experience the state of joy, just settle down a bit. The source of joy needs to be taken in a calm state of mind. So when such dirty thoughts start entering our minds - and I will refer to such thoughts as dirty because all that which is not nourishing your joy is dirty – then ask them why do they enter you. Why do you bring in such dirty thoughts? You are Sahaja Yogis. It is you, you are this invaluable lot that I have happened to get in this Kali Yuga. You have ascended to such a high level. And you are going to cry now? "I am not going to deny or miss my joy", that should be the attitude. This element of joy needs to be kept with you all the time. It is like the rays of a "diva"[oil lamp on altar]. The rays reveal the truth. Through them you will know what is real and what is false. But out of it all, that which burns – the oil – is love, the love of the Almighty. It has been burning day and night. All that put together, the wick, oil, light, all that is love. If you feel love for someone, be it a man, a lady, a child, whoever it may be, you come to know everything about them. You come to know all the truth about them. You experience joy in that love, and your entire attention is drawn towards that person.But it is the love for God that we are talking about. There is only one difference which separates the two, and that is a very great difference. It is in the love for God that you get to meet your ‘atma’. The other type of love has two shades to it: joy and sorrow. In God’s love, only joy exists, there are no two sides to it. So when you love someone, you don’t think about how you love them, you just do. That is how your love for God should be like: from your heart. There are no thoughts involved. When thoughts come into the picture, the whole thing gets a sheen of artificiality.But when it is entirely through the heart, you get to experience something so beautiful that no words can describe it. This work you do is the blessings of that atma. This mind, ego, super-ego – the atma is much beyond all of them. And when its light enters all of them [inaudible].But without Realization, all of these concepts are meaningless. Realization needs to happen. Without that, there is no point to anything – People are only wasting their time discussing such things. So divert your attention a little towards your joy. Now we need to be able to find that joy inside us. And whenever you start getting negative thoughts you should say "no" to them. These bad habits should be given up. It is within you that the waves of joy are rising. But the problem is that you don’t have your attention over there. There was this girl in London. About eight days before coming to my program she started feeling overjoyed. She couldn’t understand why – more so because she was actually in sorrow as her husband used to ill-treat her. And she seemed joyous throughout the program. And later she came and told me how she was feeling. That she had realized why she was experiencing that joy, that she had found that source of joy. And as soon as she forwarded her hands towards Me, the vibrations increased even more – she said. She got her Realization very easily and that had happened 8 days before that day, automatically. I never even had to place my hand on her. She said she had seen my photograph. She knew that it would be at that program, that she would come to know how she had found that joy. She must have been a great soul, seeking in her past lives. So instead of thinking about your mother, sister, father, brother, etc… you should start thinking about yourself, that you should achieve that joy. All these old ways of thinking should be given up. What you do outside, how much you move your hands, there is no greatness in all these things. The greatness lies in what becomes of you, how much you ascend. I feel Sahaja is still a baby’s cradle. If you go elsewhere, to begin with, they will ask you to fast for 5 days, make rounds of SiddhiVinayaka [Lord Ganesha’s swayambhu in Mumbai, India] for 7 days, pay the priest of some temple with so much amount of money and many other tasks of such types. Else, they will ask you to give money to some guru, or stand on your heads for 8 days, do this, do that - some stupid acts.But Sahaja is the opposite in that. It first gives you the absolute. It is a becoming not the being. Understood? This is the foundation of Sahaja. So now, what you turn into down the line, that is to be seen. What becomes of you, that is to be seen. That is where your attention should be. Everything else is taken care of. Everything will ‘become’ if you ‘become’. The world around you as you know it – does anything lie beyond it? No, right? So when you become all right, the world will also turn all right. Everything is in mess because you are not all right. You are not all right, meaning your vision is not all right. If someone says that everything around should be perfect, how do you expect that to happen? From where should the perfection originate, others or yourself? A simple question, common sense as you call it. Common sense means staying in the middle. You say that the whole world should be perfect. How is it possible? That is very subjective, people around you would have different ideas of perfection that won’t match yours. It is a complicated statement that you make. Instead you should say that: "It is I who should become perfect. Have I become perfect yet?" It doesn’t mean that you feel bad about yourself by thinking about your faults. "Not yet. So let me become perfect". Meaning: have I experienced the joy? Once you find that source of joy within yourself – and you are fully capable of finding that source because you have come to Sahaja – so once you find it, you will discover joy in everything. I don’t understand what is there to feel so sad about. The entire scenario changes. Cosmic changes occur. It is like if you are the bulbs on the stage and are projecting light onto it: the stage will be lit with whatever color the glass of the bulb is made of. You change your colors, you change the colors of the stage. People should change. So, "sat-chitt-ananda" is a form of God. "Ananda" [joy] is the experience and "sat" is the knowledge. And that which experiences it is your chitta. So when all these three integrate, then you can say that your Realization has become complete. The integration should happen, complete integration. But now you shouldn’t ask like: "What should I do for Sahaja, how should I behave?" I don’t want to set rules. But you by yourself should decide through the vibrations you feel. You have their complete freedom. You should see through vibrations what is right, what is not. We do already know that about basic things. But through vibrations you actually get to know the truth, in and out. And if you start walking by what the vibrations say, you will eventually become the source of joy. So the entire establishment of atma that is within will manifest itself outside and will shine through you. And people around you will know that you are something special. [The audio gets cut at this point]

12/28/1977

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Atma Ki Anubhuti Date : 28th December 1977 Place Mumbai Type Seminar & Meeting Speech [English translation from Hindi] I had told you the last time what is a soul (Atma), how it is Sachidanand (Sat + Chit + Anand; Truth + Attention + Bliss), and how after being made aware of the soul only humans can achieve these three things. Without self-realization, you cannot know the truth. You cannot achieve bliss. You should have the sensitivity of the soul. Now you can converse with your soul. You can ask the soul. You people are seated, you should ask by stretching your hands like this, is there a God in the world? Does his will reign? You ask these questions in your heart; by stretching your hands like this. Look how strong the flow of vibrations has started. You cannot know any truth unless you get the experience of your soul. Meaning till you get connected. Getting connected to your soul happens very easily in Sahaja Yoga. For some it happens for a very brief period and for some it happens forever. After getting a connection with the soul we should try to achieve identification with it. Meaning that you have come to know me and I have come to know of you but I have not become you. You are looking at me and I'm looking at you. The moment I start looking with your vision, that is when identification is established. When you enter your soul and then from there when you look at the world then one should say that the self-realization is complete. The enlightenment of the kundalini, rising as well as the piercing through, everything has happened for those who are realized. Sahasrara is broken through. You can know your own position and that of others by the state of your chakras. You must know that. But right now, you are not identified with your Atma. To be identified with your soul you should believe ‘You are. You are. I’m not’. Kabir has said it aptly, when the person performing the dhunakiya (a teaser to entangle the fiber) is performing the dhunak the sound that is emanated is ‘tu hi, tu hi’ (translated as ‘you are, you are'). But when it is in the form of intestines in a goat’s stomach it makes the noise ‘mai, mai’ (translated as ‘I am’, ‘I am’). Then the goat intestines are removed, beaten, stretched, dried, and then it's tied up on a dhunak then it says each time ‘Tu hi, Tu hi’ (‘You are, You are’). Similarly, it's like with our mind. You should look at your mind very closely. Just look at this mind. How is it and where does it wander? Where all does it take us in worthless pursuits. Where does our mind go? Sometimes we see this or that and sometimes watch there or here. All the time our mind is full of either some emotion or some lust. Now that it is illuminated, we see that it has emotions and lust still and we keep carrying it along with us all the time. We must ‘Dhunak’ on this. Not beat it out. Dhunak. Look at it (the mind). Illuminate the light coming from it. ‘Oh Mind! You are the temple of god! Why should you have such a dirty thought in the temple of God? You kindly keep this outside only, please! It is enough. Earlier everyone used to write ‘Man Samaj, Samaj Pag Dhari’. Oh mind! You keep roaming for all kinds of things in the world, when will you run for god? When will you establish god inside you? You are worried about what will happen to my son? What will happen to my mother? What about my father? Oh, my mind!, Who are these to you? Will they be your own? Are these your own? Why do you get so worried for them? Just talk to yourself. Slowly, by way of cleansing your minds the light of your soul will begin to shine through. In that joy, the flow of vibrations will begin to manifest. All that is debased within you will slowly begin to vanish and you will begin to become one with your soul. At this time you would say ‘ I am, I am’. Nothing else. This feeling of one-ness that ‘I am’ remains. You become the soul and you say ‘Only I am’. When your vision begins to come through your soul you say ‘I am’. ‘I am this world’, ‘ I am this universe, I am the ocean. There is nothing in the world that is not me. I am in everything. In everything I reside. Through me, the universe vibrates. Without me there is no universe that can be built, I am in everything’. This is not ego, this is for real. This is real. This is the dignity of your self-respect. But to achieve this we first have the break the false 'I-ness'. In this false 'I-ness' there are several things. Start from the beginning, 'I am an Indian, I am a Hindu, I am a Muslim, I am so forth with such and such name. This is my position, this is my money, this is my ego. I am saree, I am clothes, I am a sweater and suits, everything’. I am not ‘I’. Rest everything could have an 'I'. Like this, we spend all our lives around this 'I-ness'. Then you should pause for a minute and think about if I was born for this? What did I do all my life? Where did all these days disappear? Where did I spend time? Where did I waste all my time? Even after Sahaja Yoga, many people waste away their lives. They do not understand that this moment will not come back again. People waste a lot by going to the wrong places and then they come back to say ' Mother, I have a headache'. Why waste our lives like this? What is in this? Many thousands waste away their lives but the realized should be one with their soul. Everything has happened already. The repository has been opened. Gates have been opened. We are even inside. Now just sitting idle. Now what to do with this? We can cook food for you, even put it in your mouth, but we cannot make it digest for you! It has to be digested by you only. There is no special effort needed for that. Everything has a time. But for this, you do not have time. What have we after all achieved to date? Maybe a couple of sarees and a few jewels. Picked up a few cudgels. Thousands came and went away like this. They came into this world and got finished. What happened to them? All of them turned to dust. Some went to hell, some became stones. What happened? In today’s time now the flowers have to be turned to fruits. You have to be mature. In your thoughts, in meditation. If you want to make your lives beautiful you must adopt beauty. You must quit everything that is not beautiful and that which is ugly. But still, we keep lingering on with those things. Today one gentleman came. Asked me' Can I smoke a cigarette?'. I said ‘How can I have an objection? Do you mind it or not?’ Oh, what objection can I have? What do I do? I just keep watching quietly who is where? How is it going on? I sometimes laugh at people that they leave the precious and invaluable and then what? You should say with humility to god ‘My thing is done, I’m seated, now you play, I have to only see, What is mine here? What else is there to ask for otherwise? It’s all worthless. It will turn into a war. Understand that this mike for instance becomes so useless that it cannot be used. Where will this end up? You know this. The iron of this piece will be beaten down and then put into a machine. The soul is dead. Similarly, if you do not use the instrument that you own, its efficiency will completely finish off or not? Where will the enjoyment remain? I’m talking to you about enjoyment. Something is happening here and there all the time. But how much did you progress in meditation? What did you become? This is the question that is asked in Sahaja Yoga. You ask if there is god or not? OK. We will reply to this. With vibrations, we will reply to this. Your queries will be set alright, your health will be alright, your mental state will become alright, your kids will become alright, your financial condition will become alright, everything will be alright. But what are you giving towards god? You do not have to give anything, you have to take everything. How much are you able to accept? If we ask a question ‘Did we achieve everything? Out of all that mother is distributing how much did we get? All of it? We lose our way towards so many places, why don’t we just get this? The world will keep going like this, what is so special about it? Someone came to meet and some went away, did anything happen? How much did we achieve? Each individual is an institution, I had told you. Patil comes here often. You know him. He comes from a small village. The name of the village is Kaalwa. He lives in a small hut. He has some small land. In each program, he comes from Kaalwa. He needs to mend to his field. He has kids too and has to take care of them. He has put this up outside his house ‘Sahaja Yoga’, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi’s Sahaja Yoga. How many trains pass that by? Everyone looks at it. I also once went and saw it. I said now how come did I come over here? Where is this place? Some people said’ How come Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi’s Sahaja yoga is mentioned here? Is this Patil's house?' I said 'Yes'. And vibrations were just flowing strong from there. Even if he had a lot of money, he wouldn't have gained the respect that he had in that village. I had been there. Everyone contributed to the arrangements there. Very good program. If today he stands up anywhere he gets a lot of respect, people know him as someone of repute. What do you want to achieve? How does a bit of jewellery add to your glory? People laugh at your backs. What fools! How much did you achieve in humanity? The substantive thing is when you get to know your real value. People fold their hands even while crossing that house. A human being is not recognized from what he is from outside, but from what he is from inside. Let me give you an example of Shastriji. Shastriji was present for a very short period. When he passed away we all carried his ashes. I was also present there. You could not see the urn (pot) in which his last remains were kept. Just a small amount of ashes were present in that urn. Just to have the last witness people were standing with lanterns from whichever town the train was passing by. The train was moving on slowly. Everyone paid obeisance to that urn with folded hands. And once those ashes were immersed in the Ganges everyone started to look for the urn (pot). ‘Don’t know where they went away? Don’t know where they were kept?’ They didn’t even find them after due efforts. People said ‘Let it go. May have gone away somewhere’. No one stole them. They found them under a bullock cart. They brought them from there. I said ‘Just see they are still bowing them to these pots’. The train went on slowly and people were bowing to those pots. They came from thousands of miles away. The moment the ashes were immersed no one asked about the pots. There was no use of them. No meaning. Useless. It had no value. No one decorated them or embellish them. Just thrown it below some bullock cart. And then when people got them after a while people asked 'Where are you carrying these, throw them away in the Ganges as well, What's left of it?’. Similarly, about your body and your personality. You are recognized by your death. Everyone comes to his death. How do you verify that? To verify his life, he comes to his death. For some people, two people weep, for some ten people weep, and for some maybe twenty-five. Some say my husband passed away, some say my mother passed away, some say my father passed away. But there are some people who when they pass away and they are buried, scented vibrations start flowing from there. If you pass that area you would ask ‘Where have we come?’. I had gone to Kashmir. It’s surprising, our car was driving along, I said ‘Wait, Wait’. Whose resting place is this? They replied’ No one’s resting place mother’. There is one strand of Muhammad sahib hair that is preserved here. They call it Iqbal (one-hair). I folded my hands towards it. One hair of his kept there and so much vibrations in that area! Else what is our stature? What’s our value? And the moment this lamp is lightened within us, respect that and preserve that. At least own that up. This is the only thing to think and ponder over. Rest all is useless. No need to think anything else. The doer is almighty. He is doing everything. If at all you must think then it should be ‘Is my lamp worth it? Where have I kept my lamp after lighting it up? Under the table? Which route is this? This is the cornerstone you should weigh against, think about it that to what extent have I woken up my humanity? How much did I manifest it? How much has the light of my humanity spread over? What does the world say about it? Do you all consider me as your mother and as your guru? All right. You should pay attention to my life as well. Just think that after thousands of years we all have become our present form that of humans. Thousands of years. And by being humans you understand what is it about being a human being. But I still do not understand, that why a human being does not value a precious diamond once he finds it. I find it difficult. Human beings are very casual in this regard. He thinks what's the hurry? We will do it at ease. The problem is that you can discover the value of a diamond in a market. For this, there is no market. For this, the market is your mind, your heart, your ease, and your thoughts. For this everything is inside you and it’s all about your satisfaction. You play with yourself, rise in yourself, be within yourself, and enjoy your self by being one among them. You sit within him. One person says that see this is a Sahaja Yogi amongst us. And then there are some other types. Are you bringing a bad name to Sahaja Yoga? What will people say? You should know how to go deeper in meditation. Only going deeper will not help, you have to spread it over. If you cannot spread it over, god will ask you 'Why did I lighten your lamp? That you entered the worldly Bhavsagar and extinguish yourself? Is this why your lamp has been enlightened by your mother? Why did you go to your mother? Why did you get enlightenment? For what reason? You should have sincerity. Thoughts, all planning should be, how do I be in every moment? How do I go about it? This should be planning. Stop all other kinds of planning. All that planning is what God does for you. In fact, all that planning just keeps your brain working that kills your dharma. That you will get up early in the morning, we will sit for meditation a bit later, let me sleep a bit more, you become very casual. In Sahaja, you get things very easily, no doubt about it. But the thing that is Sahaja, the one that is born with you, there is a long history and tradition behind this. You don’t value that. You can neither weigh upon it. How has the kundalini been made, how it has been made to rise, how did you get your self-realization? You probably think that ok I got it just like buying a saree from the market. Or like buying a piece of cloth. No, it's from a spiritual discipline of infinite. You have got it. Understand its value. Go deep in it. You have to go deep, you must go deep, only then the peace and bliss will come into your world. The equivalence of this world, unity, and the ascent is all in your hands, this you should at least know. You should move forward by understanding your responsibilities. Now you saw those who have these bandhas (barrier) cannot even close their eyes. You can see that openly. If there is a lunatic who comes before me, cannot close his eyes. I can immediately recognize the badha (problem) in him. Whether he reveals himself or not. You have to steady your eyes. If your mind is fluctuating here and there, then you should understand that there is some badha inside you. Why not? If our mind is getting caught in small little problems and we are spoiling our life, nothing else, and not spending time on Sahaja Yoga then you must think that there is a badha inside us. If you see normally it happened like this only, if any human being gets money he will immediately get trapped in ways of expending it. Many people ask, Mother we are getting vibrations, now what? I have made an institution out of you, now run it! My job was to make the institution, that was my job, now you run it further. Now open your own institution, Someone will say I have made a Bharti Vidya Bhawan (an institute), now what? Do you want to run it or not? Do the thing for which this was made in the first place. This institution was made so you can enlighten others, fill light in others. Now you should do only this work. How much your wealth will increase by distributing? Keep on distributing, like mad. Just see how much this wealth will increase. The more you spread the more this will increase. You are not going to enjoy this without distributing this. If you are stingy you will be unhappy. He will suffer from some or the other disease, either he will have some physical problem, mental problem, or some other problem. Because there is no balance from inside so all these diseases happen. Diseases mean distortion. And to be away from this means to distribute this, give it away. You don’t have to say that this is due to my power, No, No. You just say that this is flowing inside me. You also take this. You also take this. Just look at Mr. Phadke here. I give his example again and again. Who is he? Just a teacher. Whenever he gets the opportunity, wherever, he tells his brothers, sisters, everyone. Look, if you are ill, we cannot do anything, You first get into Sahaja Yoga then we will talk. Any friend of yours, when they come. Spends thousands on eating, thousands on getting drunk. Spend somewhat on vibrations also. What does it cost to say that according to our mother drinking is bad? Don’t drink. Some people come to Sahaja yoga with continuing their habit of drinking. Now if it's wrong, it's wrong. You should understand. Was Muhammed or Nanakji mad that they prohibited drinking? Were they mad? They were not mad people who prohibited all of this? Some said to leave this and someone else said to leave that. But people are like such that if one says to leave this, they will say that the other thing is ok. But what are you searching for? For who are you making? For yourselves only. No one else is going to lose except yourselves. You are damaging yourselves only. One hand here and the other hand there. Damaging from both hands. The thing which is bad for you should be left. Why get involved at all? Is it some kind of fanaticism that I'm a Hindu, or I'm such and such. Don’t know who all are sitting there. Don’t know when you are going to quit this kind of madness. If you leave small little things like this, you will slowly enter your soul. You will get entrenched into your soul very slowly. And you will be surprised that your awareness becomes the awareness of the soul. Whatever you say from your authority, each and every word will be noted. You say a word and just that moment you will see the results. All the Chiranjeevas (Ganas) are standing there. Just imagine. Even after coming into this great state if you don’t establish then who will respect you? If the king does not respect himself then who will? The one who does not respect himself, does not respect that which he has achieved, then who will respect them? It's very simple. You have to establish meditation. I say you should sit at four for meditation. You have to rise and sit for meditation. It's not that difficult. What's so difficult about getting up at four? Get up in the morning and sit for meditation. Talk to at least one person about Sahaja yoga in the day. At least one. I’m talking to the ladies who are usually engrossed in domestic work. For ladies whoever they meet they should talk about Sahaja yoga. What else have you talked about all your lives except nonsense? See people around. Talking that this is good at this shop. Have I made you a salesman? Then you will talk that someone is good or bad. Are you a leader? All that you earned how much did you expand on it? Now delve upon it and get it established in people. Get it seated. When you start, god is with you. Ganga begins to flow. From your feet. And such a person when he is buried the sand becomes flowers, with all the fragrance. It becomes such a big thing for all the universe. For ages, there are lamps lit there. People remember. What heavy lifting did these people do? They lived like fakeers, in all circumstances. Then why are you getting lost? You have to understand all about the dharma. Before realization, I do not talk about dharma. After realization, all dharmas has to get established. Fanaticism is bad. I've seen that people say bad things about Muhammed. Even Sahaja yogis. It's surprising. Who gave you the realization? Who is sitting in your stomach? How many years did you meditate and enter your stomach, who gave you realization? Who is sitting on the aAgnya? Did you make all this? The people who made themselves into steel, they made themselves like this, like gold they came out of this to make this possible for you, who are you to question them? Who are you? They are part of me. Part of my head and eyes. I’m surprised who are you to criticize them? Any such great power that is inside these gods, anything against them, to say anything against and to even think anything against is a great sin. You just accept this fact from me. Or you will get caught up in heart chakra. To convince Shiva is very difficult, but on this point, he is very adamant. You are not supposed to raise any words on any of the gods. You might be anyone, you can sit at your home. If humans understand this, then they will never criticize. Don't criticize any dharma. And rise in your own dharma. Understand yourself and your power, your gods. This is the unity that I'm talking about. Not by outwardly talking that Hindu Muslims are one and Parsis are one. But that the primordial guru of all these is the same element. The same element came again and again in this world and we are fighting like fools. As if it was all separate parts and we are jostling amongst ourselves. The great element, the one which is in Buddhism, Jainism, the same element has been worshipped innumerable times. We are getting our realization due to that element. That element helped us in our realization. And when you get into that element, you think that it exists in everything. In everything manifests that element. Then how can you think about being separate from each other? We are all branches of the same tree. We have all grown on the same tree. By criticizing the roots of that tree we are criticizing our creator. This is the level of ignorance in this world. It's now beyond words. Now the humans have put them also in darkness. And is continuing to do so. He thinks it’s a great achievement. They create big religions. Institutions with big conditionings. By creating innumerable types of dramas humans just killed god. Before criticizing a religion, one must ask himself who am I and what’s my standing? What do I say, I must think over it. But on another level, if we think of the great ocean that has manifested itself at different shores, we are that ocean. Are we a drop inside that ocean? Part of that ocean? Think how great must one feel. It's the same ordinary ocean that has created with its different waveforms, established the religions, we are part of the same ocean, just by thinking this how expanded do we all feel in our hearts. Our heart becomes so big. And the whole world seems our own. Enjoy that greatness. Not of smallness but bigness. By some means spread away from your hands and feel this ocean that has been there for years distributing its fragrance. Enjoy it just by merely your thoughts of it. Quit your lowliness. Just leaving these low qualities and getting realization is not the end objective. You have got the realization anyway. But why are the chakras catching still? There is some lowliness, somewhere, somewhere, somewhere. You are scared, still, and still go to other gurus! Only when we run away from the falsehood, the purity will shine upon us. Truth cannot come over us if we still hold on to untruth. Be aware and consolidate everything. Look at everything with consistency. Consistently know what is the elemental commodity. The element that is benevolent and is vibrating. Anything aside it is superfluous. Live by these words. Clean up your mind. Slowly you will see. In everyday life, take a step back and check for yourselves if you are doing this in Sahaja or asahaja. Immediately you will know. It's not that difficult. You should know on every fingertip of yours. Even if your hairline changes a bit, it should be in Sahaja. In everything, there should be Sahaja vibrations. In everything the door of Sahaja yoga only should be opened. Once this life is established, once my children are like this, I would be thankful. Can this be done during my lifetime? If you want this can be done within an instant. Therefore even a mother loses in front of you. Even god begs in front of you. Because this freedom that is given to you cannot be taken back. And what to do even by taking it back. You have complete freedom. You can come and go whenever you want. No shackles are put on you. No bondage. No bondage. Just put the bondage of your wisdom over yourselves. Put the bondage of your greatness over yourself. So you become great. And the same beauty improves you, you achieve the dept of this and see all the universe with these eyes. Just look and it and say Aha!, where has this light come from? Who gave this? Your mother has her name on it, otherwise who will know about it? The greatest thing about Sahaja yoga is that this is the essence of all dharmas. It is a very big thing. Read any book about dharma and just tell people the same thing from a Sahaja standpoint and they will be surprised to know the meaning of it. When I tell something to people they say it's in the Bible. Muslims say that you are reciting the Kuran. You are talking the language of Kahlil Gibran. You don't come to know if Mother is talking or it is Kahlil Gibran himself. Jains say that this is the same as in our shastras. Buddhists say that this is all from our shastras. But the form of all of that is visible here. Take it, adopt it, and show others the ways of it.

Atma Ki Anubhuti Date : 28th December 1977 Place Mumbai Type Seminar & Meeting Speech [English translation from Hindi] I had told you the last time what is a soul (Atma), how it is Sachidanand (Sat + Chit + Anand; Truth + Attention + Bliss), and how after being made aware of the soul only humans can achieve these three things. Without self-realization, you cannot know the truth. You cannot achieve bliss. You should have the sensitivity of the soul. Now you can converse with your soul. You can ask the soul. You people are seated, you should ask by stretching your hands like this, is there a God in the world? Does his will reign? You ask these questions in your heart; by stretching your hands like this. Look how strong the flow of vibrations has started. You cannot know any truth unless you get the experience of your soul. Meaning till you get connected. Getting connected to your soul happens very easily in Sahaja Yoga. For some it happens for a very brief period and for some it happens forever. After getting a connection with the soul we should try to achieve identification with it. Meaning that you have come to know me and I have come to know of you but I have not become you. You are looking at me and I'm looking at you. The moment I start looking with your vision, that is when identification is established. When you enter your soul and then from there when you look at the world then one should say that the self-realization is complete. The enlightenment of the kundalini, rising as well as the piercing through, everything has happened for those who are realized. Sahasrara is broken through. You can know your own position and that of others by the state of your chakras. You must know that. But right now, you are not identified with your Atma. To be identified with your soul you should believe ‘You are. You are. I’m not’. Kabir has said it aptly, when the person performing the dhunakiya (a teaser to entangle the fiber) is performing the dhunak the sound that is emanated is ‘tu hi, tu hi’ (translated as ‘you are, you are'). But when it is in the form of intestines in a goat’s stomach it makes the noise ‘mai, mai’ (translated as ‘I am’, ‘I am’). Then the goat intestines are removed, beaten, stretched, dried, and then it's tied up on a dhunak then it says each time ‘Tu hi, Tu hi’ (‘You are, You are’). Similarly, it's like with our mind. You should look at your mind very closely. Just look at this mind. How is it and where does it wander? Where all does it take us in worthless pursuits. Where does our mind go? Sometimes we see this or that and sometimes watch there or here. All the time our mind is full of either some emotion or some lust. Now that it is illuminated, we see that it has emotions and lust still and we keep carrying it along with us all the time. We must ‘Dhunak’ on this. Not beat it out. Dhunak. Look at it (the mind). Illuminate the light coming from it. ‘Oh Mind! You are the temple of god! Why should you have such a dirty thought in the temple of God? You kindly keep this outside only, please! It is enough. Earlier everyone used to write ‘Man Samaj, Samaj Pag Dhari’. Oh mind! You keep roaming for all kinds of things in the world, when will you run for god? When will you establish god inside you? You are worried about what will happen to my son? What will happen to my mother? What about my father? Oh, my mind!, Who are these to you? Will they be your own? Are these your own? Why do you get so worried for them? Just talk to yourself. Slowly, by way of cleansing your minds the light of your soul will begin to shine through. In that joy, the flow of vibrations will begin to manifest. All that is debased within you will slowly begin to vanish and you will begin to become one with your soul. At this time you would say ‘ I am, I am’. Nothing else. This feeling of one-ness that ‘I am’ remains. You become the soul and you say ‘Only I am’. When your vision begins to come through your soul you say ‘I am’. ‘I am this world’, ‘ I am this universe, I am the ocean. There is nothing in the world that is not me. I am in everything. In everything I reside. Through me, the universe vibrates. Without me there is no universe that can be built, I am in everything’. This is not ego, this is for real. This is real. This is the dignity of your self-respect. But to achieve this we first have the break the false 'I-ness'. In this false 'I-ness' there are several things. Start from the beginning, 'I am an Indian, I am a Hindu, I am a Muslim, I am so forth with such and such name. This is my position, this is my money, this is my ego. I am saree, I am clothes, I am a sweater and suits, everything’. I am not ‘I’. Rest everything could have an 'I'. Like this, we spend all our lives around this 'I-ness'. Then you should pause for a minute and think about if I was born for this? What did I do all my life? Where did all these days disappear? Where did I spend time? Where did I waste all my time? Even after Sahaja Yoga, many people waste away their lives. They do not understand that this moment will not come back again. People waste a lot by going to the wrong places and then they come back to say ' Mother, I have a headache'. Why waste our lives like this? What is in this? Many thousands waste away their lives but the realized should be one with their soul. Everything has happened already. The repository has been opened. Gates have been opened. We are even inside. Now just sitting idle. Now what to do with this? We can cook food for you, even put it in your mouth, but we cannot make it digest for you! It has to be digested by you only. There is no special effort needed for that. Everything has a time. But for this, you do not have time. What have we after all achieved to date? Maybe a couple of sarees and a few jewels. Picked up a few cudgels. Thousands came and went away like this. They came into this world and got finished. What happened to them? All of them turned to dust. Some went to hell, some became stones. What happened? In today’s time now the flowers have to be turned to fruits. You have to be mature. In your thoughts, in meditation. If you want to make your lives beautiful you must adopt beauty. You must quit everything that is not beautiful and that which is ugly. But still, we keep lingering on with those things. Today one gentleman came. Asked me' Can I smoke a cigarette?'. I said ‘How can I have an objection? Do you mind it or not?’ Oh, what objection can I have? What do I do? I just keep watching quietly who is where? How is it going on? I sometimes laugh at people that they leave the precious and invaluable and then what? You should say with humility to god ‘My thing is done, I’m seated, now you play, I have to only see, What is mine here? What else is there to ask for otherwise? It’s all worthless. It will turn into a war. Understand that this mike for instance becomes so useless that it cannot be used. Where will this end up? You know this. The iron of this piece will be beaten down and then put into a machine. The soul is dead. Similarly, if you do not use the instrument that you own, its efficiency will completely finish off or not? Where will the enjoyment remain? I’m talking to you about enjoyment. Something is happening here and there all the time. But how much did you progress in meditation? What did you become? This is the question that is asked in Sahaja Yoga. You ask if there is god or not? OK. We will reply to this. With vibrations, we will reply to this. Your queries will be set alright, your health will be alright, your mental state will become alright, your kids will become alright, your financial condition will become alright, everything will be alright. But what are you giving towards god? You do not have to give anything, you have to take everything. How much are you able to accept? If we ask a question ‘Did we achieve everything? Out of all that mother is distributing how much did we get? All of it? We lose our way towards so many places, why don’t we just get this? The world will keep going like this, what is so special about it? Someone came to meet and some went away, did anything happen? How much did we achieve? Each individual is an institution, I had told you. Patil comes here often. You know him. He comes from a small village. The name of the village is Kaalwa. He lives in a small hut. He has some small land. In each program, he comes from Kaalwa. He needs to mend to his field. He has kids too and has to take care of them. He has put this up outside his house ‘Sahaja Yoga’, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi’s Sahaja Yoga. How many trains pass that by? Everyone looks at it. I also once went and saw it. I said now how come did I come over here? Where is this place? Some people said’ How come Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi’s Sahaja yoga is mentioned here? Is this Patil's house?' I said 'Yes'. And vibrations were just flowing strong from there. Even if he had a lot of money, he wouldn't have gained the respect that he had in that village. I had been there. Everyone contributed to the arrangements there. Very good program. If today he stands up anywhere he gets a lot of respect, people know him as someone of repute. What do you want to achieve? How does a bit of jewellery add to your glory? People laugh at your backs. What fools! How much did you achieve in humanity? The substantive thing is when you get to know your real value. People fold their hands even while crossing that house. A human being is not recognized from what he is from outside, but from what he is from inside. Let me give you an example of Shastriji. Shastriji was present for a very short period. When he passed away we all carried his ashes. I was also present there. You could not see the urn (pot) in which his last remains were kept. Just a small amount of ashes were present in that urn. Just to have the last witness people were standing with lanterns from whichever town the train was passing by. The train was moving on slowly. Everyone paid obeisance to that urn with folded hands. And once those ashes were immersed in the Ganges everyone started to look for the urn (pot). ‘Don’t know where they went away? Don’t know where they were kept?’ They didn’t even find them after due efforts. People said ‘Let it go. May have gone away somewhere’. No one stole them. They found them under a bullock cart. They brought them from there. I said ‘Just see they are still bowing them to these pots’. The train went on slowly and people were bowing to those pots. They came from thousands of miles away. The moment the ashes were immersed no one asked about the pots. There was no use of them. No meaning. Useless. It had no value. No one decorated them or embellish them. Just thrown it below some bullock cart. And then when people got them after a while people asked 'Where are you carrying these, throw them away in the Ganges as well, What's left of it?’. Similarly, about your body and your personality. You are recognized by your death. Everyone comes to his death. How do you verify that? To verify his life, he comes to his death. For some people, two people weep, for some ten people weep, and for some maybe twenty-five. Some say my husband passed away, some say my mother passed away, some say my father passed away. But there are some people who when they pass away and they are buried, scented vibrations start flowing from there. If you pass that area you would ask ‘Where have we come?’. I had gone to Kashmir. It’s surprising, our car was driving along, I said ‘Wait, Wait’. Whose resting place is this? They replied’ No one’s resting place mother’. There is one strand of Muhammad sahib hair that is preserved here. They call it Iqbal (one-hair). I folded my hands towards it. One hair of his kept there and so much vibrations in that area! Else what is our stature? What’s our value? And the moment this lamp is lightened within us, respect that and preserve that. At least own that up. This is the only thing to think and ponder over. Rest all is useless. No need to think anything else. The doer is almighty. He is doing everything. If at all you must think then it should be ‘Is my lamp worth it? Where have I kept my lamp after lighting it up? Under the table? Which route is this? This is the cornerstone you should weigh against, think about it that to what extent have I woken up my humanity? How much did I manifest it? How much has the light of my humanity spread over? What does the world say about it? Do you all consider me as your mother and as your guru? All right. You should pay attention to my life as well. Just think that after thousands of years we all have become our present form that of humans. Thousands of years. And by being humans you understand what is it about being a human being. But I still do not understand, that why a human being does not value a precious diamond once he finds it. I find it difficult. Human beings are very casual in this regard. He thinks what's the hurry? We will do it at ease. The problem is that you can discover the value of a diamond in a market. For this, there is no market. For this, the market is your mind, your heart, your ease, and your thoughts. For this everything is inside you and it’s all about your satisfaction. You play with yourself, rise in yourself, be within yourself, and enjoy your self by being one among them. You sit within him. One person says that see this is a Sahaja Yogi amongst us. And then there are some other types. Are you bringing a bad name to Sahaja Yoga? What will people say? You should know how to go deeper in meditation. Only going deeper will not help, you have to spread it over. If you cannot spread it over, god will ask you 'Why did I lighten your lamp? That you entered the worldly Bhavsagar and extinguish yourself? Is this why your lamp has been enlightened by your mother? Why did you go to your mother? Why did you get enlightenment? For what reason? You should have sincerity. Thoughts, all planning should be, how do I be in every moment? How do I go about it? This should be planning. Stop all other kinds of planning. All that planning is what God does for you. In fact, all that planning just keeps your brain working that kills your dharma. That you will get up early in the morning, we will sit for meditation a bit later, let me sleep a bit more, you become very casual. In Sahaja, you get things very easily, no doubt about it. But the thing that is Sahaja, the one that is born with you, there is a long history and tradition behind this. You don’t value that. You can neither weigh upon it. How has the kundalini been made, how it has been made to rise, how did you get your self-realization? You probably think that ok I got it just like buying a saree from the market. Or like buying a piece of cloth. No, it's from a spiritual discipline of infinite. You have got it. Understand its value. Go deep in it. You have to go deep, you must go deep, only then the peace and bliss will come into your world. The equivalence of this world, unity, and the ascent is all in your hands, this you should at least know. You should move forward by understanding your responsibilities. Now you saw those who have these bandhas (barrier) cannot even close their eyes. You can see that openly. If there is a lunatic who comes before me, cannot close his eyes. I can immediately recognize the badha (problem) in him. Whether he reveals himself or not. You have to steady your eyes. If your mind is fluctuating here and there, then you should understand that there is some badha inside you. Why not? If our mind is getting caught in small little problems and we are spoiling our life, nothing else, and not spending time on Sahaja Yoga then you must think that there is a badha inside us. If you see normally it happened like this only, if any human being gets money he will immediately get trapped in ways of expending it. Many people ask, Mother we are getting vibrations, now what? I have made an institution out of you, now run it! My job was to make the institution, that was my job, now you run it further. Now open your own institution, Someone will say I have made a Bharti Vidya Bhawan (an institute), now what? Do you want to run it or not? Do the thing for which this was made in the first place. This institution was made so you can enlighten others, fill light in others. Now you should do only this work. How much your wealth will increase by distributing? Keep on distributing, like mad. Just see how much this wealth will increase. The more you spread the more this will increase. You are not going to enjoy this without distributing this. If you are stingy you will be unhappy. He will suffer from some or the other disease, either he will have some physical problem, mental problem, or some other problem. Because there is no balance from inside so all these diseases happen. Diseases mean distortion. And to be away from this means to distribute this, give it away. You don’t have to say that this is due to my power, No, No. You just say that this is flowing inside me. You also take this. You also take this. Just look at Mr. Phadke here. I give his example again and again. Who is he? Just a teacher. Whenever he gets the opportunity, wherever, he tells his brothers, sisters, everyone. Look, if you are ill, we cannot do anything, You first get into Sahaja Yoga then we will talk. Any friend of yours, when they come. Spends thousands on eating, thousands on getting drunk. Spend somewhat on vibrations also. What does it cost to say that according to our mother drinking is bad? Don’t drink. Some people come to Sahaja yoga with continuing their habit of drinking. Now if it's wrong, it's wrong. You should understand. Was Muhammed or Nanakji mad that they prohibited drinking? Were they mad? They were not mad people who prohibited all of this? Some said to leave this and someone else said to leave that. But people are like such that if one says to leave this, they will say that the other thing is ok. But what are you searching for? For who are you making? For yourselves only. No one else is going to lose except yourselves. You are damaging yourselves only. One hand here and the other hand there. Damaging from both hands. The thing which is bad for you should be left. Why get involved at all? Is it some kind of fanaticism that I'm a Hindu, or I'm such and such. Don’t know who all are sitting there. Don’t know when you are going to quit this kind of madness. If you leave small little things like this, you will slowly enter your soul. You will get entrenched into your soul very slowly. And you will be surprised that your awareness becomes the awareness of the soul. Whatever you say from your authority, each and every word will be noted. You say a word and just that moment you will see the results. All the Chiranjeevas (Ganas) are standing there. Just imagine. Even after coming into this great state if you don’t establish then who will respect you? If the king does not respect himself then who will? The one who does not respect himself, does not respect that which he has achieved, then who will respect them? It's very simple. You have to establish meditation. I say you should sit at four for meditation. You have to rise and sit for meditation. It's not that difficult. What's so difficult about getting up at four? Get up in the morning and sit for meditation. Talk to at least one person about Sahaja yoga in the day. At least one. I’m talking to the ladies who are usually engrossed in domestic work. For ladies whoever they meet they should talk about Sahaja yoga. What else have you talked about all your lives except nonsense? See people around. Talking that this is good at this shop. Have I made you a salesman? Then you will talk that someone is good or bad. Are you a leader? All that you earned how much did you expand on it? Now delve upon it and get it established in people. Get it seated. When you start, god is with you. Ganga begins to flow. From your feet. And such a person when he is buried the sand becomes flowers, with all the fragrance. It becomes such a big thing for all the universe. For ages, there are lamps lit there. People remember. What heavy lifting did these people do? They lived like fakeers, in all circumstances. Then why are you getting lost? You have to understand all about the dharma. Before realization, I do not talk about dharma. After realization, all dharmas has to get established. Fanaticism is bad. I've seen that people say bad things about Muhammed. Even Sahaja yogis. It's surprising. Who gave you the realization? Who is sitting in your stomach? How many years did you meditate and enter your stomach, who gave you realization? Who is sitting on the aAgnya? Did you make all this? The people who made themselves into steel, they made themselves like this, like gold they came out of this to make this possible for you, who are you to question them? Who are you? They are part of me. Part of my head and eyes. I’m surprised who are you to criticize them? Any such great power that is inside these gods, anything against them, to say anything against and to even think anything against is a great sin. You just accept this fact from me. Or you will get caught up in heart chakra. To convince Shiva is very difficult, but on this point, he is very adamant. You are not supposed to raise any words on any of the gods. You might be anyone, you can sit at your home. If humans understand this, then they will never criticize. Don't criticize any dharma. And rise in your own dharma. Understand yourself and your power, your gods. This is the unity that I'm talking about. Not by outwardly talking that Hindu Muslims are one and Parsis are one. But that the primordial guru of all these is the same element. The same element came again and again in this world and we are fighting like fools. As if it was all separate parts and we are jostling amongst ourselves. The great element, the one which is in Buddhism, Jainism, the same element has been worshipped innumerable times. We are getting our realization due to that element. That element helped us in our realization. And when you get into that element, you think that it exists in everything. In everything manifests that element. Then how can you think about being separate from each other? We are all branches of the same tree. We have all grown on the same tree. By criticizing the roots of that tree we are criticizing our creator. This is the level of ignorance in this world. It's now beyond words. Now the humans have put them also in darkness. And is continuing to do so. He thinks it’s a great achievement. They create big religions. Institutions with big conditionings. By creating innumerable types of dramas humans just killed god. Before criticizing a religion, one must ask himself who am I and what’s my standing? What do I say, I must think over it. But on another level, if we think of the great ocean that has manifested itself at different shores, we are that ocean. Are we a drop inside that ocean? Part of that ocean? Think how great must one feel. It's the same ordinary ocean that has created with its different waveforms, established the religions, we are part of the same ocean, just by thinking this how expanded do we all feel in our hearts. Our heart becomes so big. And the whole world seems our own. Enjoy that greatness. Not of smallness but bigness. By some means spread away from your hands and feel this ocean that has been there for years distributing its fragrance. Enjoy it just by merely your thoughts of it. Quit your lowliness. Just leaving these low qualities and getting realization is not the end objective. You have got the realization anyway. But why are the chakras catching still? There is some lowliness, somewhere, somewhere, somewhere. You are scared, still, and still go to other gurus! Only when we run away from the falsehood, the purity will shine upon us. Truth cannot come over us if we still hold on to untruth. Be aware and consolidate everything. Look at everything with consistency. Consistently know what is the elemental commodity. The element that is benevolent and is vibrating. Anything aside it is superfluous. Live by these words. Clean up your mind. Slowly you will see. In everyday life, take a step back and check for yourselves if you are doing this in Sahaja or asahaja. Immediately you will know. It's not that difficult. You should know on every fingertip of yours. Even if your hairline changes a bit, it should be in Sahaja. In everything, there should be Sahaja vibrations. In everything the door of Sahaja yoga only should be opened. Once this life is established, once my children are like this, I would be thankful. Can this be done during my lifetime? If you want this can be done within an instant. Therefore even a mother loses in front of you. Even god begs in front of you. Because this freedom that is given to you cannot be taken back. And what to do even by taking it back. You have complete freedom. You can come and go whenever you want. No shackles are put on you. No bondage. No bondage. Just put the bondage of your wisdom over yourselves. Put the bondage of your greatness over yourself. So you become great. And the same beauty improves you, you achieve the dept of this and see all the universe with these eyes. Just look and it and say Aha!, where has this light come from? Who gave this? Your mother has her name on it, otherwise who will know about it? The greatest thing about Sahaja yoga is that this is the essence of all dharmas. It is a very big thing. Read any book about dharma and just tell people the same thing from a Sahaja standpoint and they will be surprised to know the meaning of it. When I tell something to people they say it's in the Bible. Muslims say that you are reciting the Kuran. You are talking the language of Kahlil Gibran. You don't come to know if Mother is talking or it is Kahlil Gibran himself. Jains say that this is the same as in our shastras. Buddhists say that this is all from our shastras. But the form of all of that is visible here. Take it, adopt it, and show others the ways of it.

1/1/1978

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New Year’s Day Talk before Havan

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New Year’s Day talk before havan, India, January 1st, 1978 [Few people are also moving slowly.] Sahaja Yogi: Need aasan [chair]. Shri Mataji: Need aasan? Who has? Now just see his vibrations now, are you all right? He is all right. Take the name of Radha Krishna. Yes, all right now. Ok, come on whoever wants to wash it, wash it fast, Aradhana is standing, take some salt, she will put salt in water, you just take it from right hand. Shri Mataji: Why do you want to mix up all these things together? Sahaja Yogi: Because there is another one, Mother. [Unclear conversation] Shri Mataji: Actually, but there should be another group we should say that why do we need money for drinking? Going to pubs? Why don’t you reduce on that? I mean strike has a little controlling, [Unclear. A Sahaja Yogi is explaining something] Shri Mataji: But one has to grip something, what I am saying, you are gripping one thing, one finger is not going that way and another is not going that way you see so whether you are on the contradict [unclear] should be used in this way that, even the fingers may be different, you can grip the same thing. And when all of them put together they can only grip it. But why not give up drinking, what I have don’t go to go? Give up drinking, give up drinking. That’s how you save your money. At least, save your money there. They are asking money for what? For drinking only. Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Money is so low. Shri Mataji: David, I tell you, it's not that, you see, it's not that low. Because I tell you now that people who were coming to me for work, I mean, I don’t think I was giving them too much money but they, after lunch, they would go for pub in the day time. Sahaja Yogi: I know because its cost [unclear] Shri Mataji: That’s the thing! See. So, one should point out that there are people who get lots of money and still go. But we are not the people like that, we are already very low paid that should be pointed out. You are very low paid people. Sahaja Yogi : [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Good, that was good too. What about- who else is left now? [Sahaja Yogi in Marathi] Shri Mataji: Marathia. [In Marathi]. Shri Mataji: What else? Sahaja Yogi: So, the All-pervading Devi will constantly preside there with senses with all beings and governs all the elements. Salutations again and again to Her who is pervading this entire world abides in the form of consciousness. Shri Mataji: Chaitanya rupe. [Cut in the audio] A new year starts and I was telling you just now that life is a cycle. If there is no cycle then there is no life and because the cycle starts, a new year also has to start. If there is life, you must have seen that there is a change in nature too. It has to be that way because if the seed has to grow which has to become the trees, the tree has to become the fruits, and fruits have to become the seed. The change is all the time there and the change shows the progress, the growth, the life itself. So, the poetry of life is all the time changing itself, its moods, its tones, until it reaches a point where it feels it can manifest its beauty in its fullest way. And that is the time that has come today because this is the era of enlightenment and that is why the enlightenment has to come. We have to understand why this life is created in this way, what are the undercurrents that have created this life. How are we here? How do these undercurrents work within us? How these centres and chakras, which are not seen by the naked eye, are acting? Now, people have written about it, talked about it, said about it but nobody has felt them. So, this is the era of enlightenment where you feel them, where you understand that they exist within you not only mentally but also like an actual experience within you. As you feel the heat and cold, in the same way, you start feeling your chakras, this you know. But today is a day when one has to starts afresh again, every time a new thing. So, what are we to now decide as Sahaja Yogis? Because most of you are Realized, you got vibrations, you have done a lot of wonders with your vibrations and you know what Self-realization is. So, what should we decide today? A special day today, on a New Year’s Day we have to resolve certain things within our mind. Now it is for all of you to decide for yourself, you’re free to decide whatever you like, whatever you think proper which is to be done. But, the main thing, the basic thing should be that as we have got now Self-realization, as we have now risen higher into the realm of the Unknown, now as we have entered the kingdom of God, what should we do? How should we progress? Why are we kept back and why are we not progressing faster? And that is what one has to resolve, that we will do our level best to rise within ourselves and whatever is needed has to be done. As I have told you before, that before the car starts you cannot make it progress but after Realization, only your car has now started, it is working now you know it is working now. A new style of life has started within you in which you feel those chakras and you feel your undercurrents and you can feel the undercurrents of others. And you have started also feeling the thoughtless awareness as we call it, and also, you’re quite doubtless about it that there is something like that. But let us face the problem as it is with us and what can we do about it. Now, as I have said that we have a problem, the way we have led our life. Now, we have a different problem in the West and different problem in the East. And, as the problem in the West is that people are mentally very developed, intellectuals as they call themselves, have read a lot of non-knowledge so far. They have to go to knowledge. Now, the knowledge you know is so different from what you’ve known so far because there is an All-pervading Power which you know you can feel it through your fingers sparking out. You know how it cures people and you can feel where is the problem within yourself and you start feeling yourself the problem of others. This is a very different thing and how the elements are controlled and how you see that even fire and flame can be controlled and all these things you have known now. All these things, once they’ve come to you, it is necessary for you to understand that the knowledge you have had so far through books and through reading and through this or that is nothing compared to what you have got. Within 2-3 months of Realization, people will find that they are very much more knowledgeable now. They understand the essence of everything because you have now picked up the essence. But let us see the essence of the Western problem. Now, the Eastern problem is different than the Western problem. And, the Western problem is this that you have been achieving everything by going out. And you have been thinking and planning, organizing out of material things and now materialism has caught hold of you now. It is sitting on top of you. You cannot think anything but without thinking about the matter. Somewhere or the other you get involved into it, again and again, you get involved into it. Now, one way would be to fight the materialism by not thinking about it or by denouncing it or by getting rid of it or there are ways of just fighting the materialism. But these are no good, these are no good because the more you try to fight it, the more it sits on you. So, for a western mind, to get over the materialistic side of life is- easiest would be, through proper rationality. They can use their rationality to understand it. Then by rationality, if you understand, after Realization before the Realization, of course, it is not possible but after Realization. I mean so many of you who have taken to say, hippie’s life and things like that still are quite materialistic. Because the trouble is that what you have done is to denounce something, once you denounce something that means it exists there, whether in a negative way or a positive way. If you say it is night means you know there is a day somewhere. So, when you denounce that, you have to remember one thing that you are still accepting within this thing that is why you are denouncing it. If it is not there, how will you denounce it? So, what do you do to really get rid of these clutches of materialism? Because of this Western life, you see, we are so materialistic. Because of the so-called advancement of our brain that we have become so materialistic. And we are in such a terrible grip that we do not realize that we calculate every ‘pie’ [Indian smallest money] that we spend, we calculate every ‘pie’ that we earn. We think in terms of money all the time. We calculate also the other person what sort of a dress the other person is wearing. How much money he must have spent for it, how is he dressed? All this mind has to be cleansed and how do you do it, is the point. So, for you people who are Realized it is very easy to understand how to get rid of materialistic domination on us. It’s to look at it, rationally you can look at it, to think that, “What is it after all?” You see, a question of money comes in: now you should think, “Why am I thinking about money? For what? What do I have to have? What is so essential?” You must have this, you must have that, all right. But why possess it? If you could get rid of this idea that you possess anything, half of the battle is won. Which rationally you can understand you cannot possess anything; you cannot take anything from this world. Even this much you cannot take. It is a fact. Try to tell yourself, “Am I going to take this with me? Am I going to take this with me? Am I going to take this with me?” “Why should I roam about things? Why should I get things? Why should I worry myself? Why should I waste my energy on these things?” That doesn’t mean that you should become untidy people or you should become lazy people. I am not saying that. But don’t waste your energy in this because finish it now,had enough of it. Why do I need it? Why should I bother about these things? These are not important. This is one way of looking at it rationally. Secondly, you must think that you do not possess anything it is only registered in the shop or it is registered in some sort of a registration office that “this is yours”. This belongs to me that belongs to me. All this I am going to leave here. That doesn’t mean that you should be untidy and that you shouldn’t have even the things that are needed. I am not saying: “You go and sleep on the streets and do all those yogi tricks”. No! You should lead a life of a simplicity. Try to be simpler and simpler. Then, third way is when you want to get something. First of all, think, “Is it for sharing I am getting it or is it only for myself? Is it exclusively for me or is it for sharing? If it could be used for sharing, all right, I’ll have it. But if it is exclusively for me, I don’t need it actually, there is no need”. You are the people who have to set in this nucleus working, so that in the Western mind this starts that simpler life is needed. No elaborations are needed, not showing-off needed. Why do you need? You are Realized souls. Your faces are shining, your whole being shows that you’re Realized. You’re the enlightened one. I don’t- I’m not talking about people who are not Realized. I am talking about people who are Realized. Then calculation of money is not needed of any kind. When you understand it rationally, what are you calculating? You will see, after the Realization, that all your calculations will fail, “Sankalpa vikalpa karodhi”. Whatever you will decide you’re going to have will be all finished and you will be amazed at yourself that how is it after Realization! Many people think that, “How is it Mother?” After Realization, they think they should become multi-millionaire, you see. [Shri Mataji is talking to a Yogi in Marathi.] Shri Mataji: Lindsay, will you be able to go? I think you’d better go. You see, she’s trying to find out. Now. The materialism is to be just watched and you will laugh at yourself! It is such a joke going on. We are wasting so much of our time, it is such a joke going on! Then, that witnessed state comes into you. You start seeing things, you start understanding. And with that witnessed state you will understand that matter has one quality, and that is joy giving and that is the beauty that is contained in the matter[unclear word]. Look at this white, this beautiful white, the forms, the ripples it has created of beauty. That is all it is. It is nothing more than that. It has a joy giving quality and that is the beauty, that is contained in the matter. Nothing more or less. It has nothing to do with money. It was created much before money started and is there and will be there even when the whole money will finish off. So, do not value money and beauty together. It has nothing to do with that even a small thing becomes great if it is beautiful. But the beauty is enhanced even hundred times more, hundred times more, when you put a little feeling into it, a little feeling into that. The matter, a little thing, a little thing, now you have seen you have given me now this, whatever it is. I don’t know what it contains, I have no idea. Now they have given Me with love. That is sufficient for Me with love, with fragrance, will be a hundred times more when it will flow out of my being because you have given it to Me with love. Sahaja Yogi: What is the number of sister’s house?Shri Mataji: Whose?Other Sahaja Yogi: It's 61.Sahaja Yogi: Take right before petrol pump, the house near the bridge, that is the house.[Shri Mataji is talking in Marathi].Sahaja Yogi: Do it fast. [Marathi conversation]. So, this one thing one has to do, is to understand the beauty in the matter comes to us through some eternal forming capacities in that matter. There are some forms which we see, may appear beautiful, but that beauty is perishing. That is perishable, that is not eternal. But behind this perishing beauty, there are forms which are eternal which do not change their form. They are stars. They are eternally there and they create these temporary beauties for a while and which vanishes. You know in every chakra we have got different deities and these are the forms which are eternal. Now, this small thing you have given Me to eat now this chana, see now the form of this one. I don’t know if you have noticed the form of chana, Anita? The form of a chana, you won’t believe, but it is a fact that if you take a coefficience out of the depth and the thickness and the length of this small thing chana- [Hindi conversation. Shri Mataji is asking a Yogi to wait for some time until the end of her talk] It’s the coefficients that works out, it’s the best for vibrations. It is most surprising a small thing like chana. You can take a lime. Lime also has the same type of coefficience as this Chana has. There are some things which are absolutely very near to those forms which are emitting vibrations from your being. And these forms, though they look insignificant to you, can be of very great power. Like we can say, a garlic. Garlic has got a tremendous power to throw vibrations. If you can take garlic, I was telling her, it can work wonders in you, if you can really slice it and eat it. If you take chana, it is very good too for you. So, there are many things like this which perhaps normal people do not know. But those who are sensitive can find out and say that this is a thing that is emitting vibrations. And, this is how something that is matter becomes important for you and some things which are matter are absolutely useless. For example, plastics, nylons. You have one thing but don’t have things which do not emit vibrations as Realized souls. Because you people should pay more attention to vibrations than to anything else. And, to have more vibrations, you must understand the value of the matter which you are using or which is there. [Hindi conversation. Shri Mataji telling a girl that she is talking to people right now.] So, these matters, material things as we see them, there are some things which are very good for you and which you must have in your house. For example, incense. Incense is one of the most important things. You all must have incense in the household. Now you know Parsis, and many people light an incense in the morning and evening. Most of the people who are religious they do it without even understanding. Lamps and lights and things, these are very important but how much time do we spend on them or how much money do we spend on them? So, if you can find out what things are necessary for your life as spiritual people, you spend time on that. Find out proper things of proper vibrations, use that. The rest of the material things, you leave it to God and he will manage. You look after your spiritual rights, you achieve your spiritual rights. Like we have got 1st class citizens, 2nd class citizens, 4th class citizens and 7th class citizens. In the same way, you have to be the 1st class citizens in the kingdom of God. And the rest of it he looks after: “Yoga kshemam vahamyaham” [Gita, chapter 9], I look after your yoga, that is, of course, is the Realization and the “kshema” is your wellbeing. Both things are looked after. You don’t have to bother about it. As Christ has said, “Look at these birds, so singing the praise of God” is the best way that you forget all your material problems to him. He looks after. But many people, you see, are like this they say, is the attitude you see the human attitude is so converted I don’t understand; I mean I don’t know what to call it. The way it is, it should be- it is upside down. They say, “All right Mother, we are singing praise to the Goddess, we didn’t get this. I was trying for a job; I didn’t get the job”. I said, “Now what to do with these people? They are mad!” Why are you doing all this to get a job? Why am I telling all this to get a job? I am telling you this that you rise within yourself. That you become that 1st class citizen. I am not telling you all this to get a job or to get a material life or to become a king somewhere or to collect a lot of money. This is to get your position in the kingdom of God, I am telling you. How do you relate it to your achievements? It’s the way your attitude is. If your attitude is wrongly placed you can never see the thing properly, I mean it is a very common thing. [Cut in the audio] Just to see: do you get involved into it? So, remember that you have to go beyond. Rationally you can understand it, by God’s grace you have got Realization, you can get into thoughtless awareness and you can really combat your right-side problems of planning and acquiring more and more things and getting more and more enslaved by your possessiveness or being possessed by your possession. All these can be overcome rationally. The left-hand side problem you know that, is that where you get into fears, into troubles, you are afraid and get oppressed by others. Then what is the solution for a Sahaja Yogi? For a Sahaja Yogi, the solution is that he should know that he is the medium of love, of divine love. And that is the greatest weapon a person has is of divine love. But to have divine love one must have faith. And you should be able to surrender yourself to that faith that there is God Almighty, that he is All-pervading, that his powers are working and you have seen his powers working and that you have to use your imagination if you want to call it because after Realization, there is nothing like imagination because reality starts. Just think about it how you’re going to surrender yourself to God? Every moment of yours you have to think about the surrendering and then you will be amazed, that the joy that is promised to you will be your own. Through your faith and love in God, whom you have come to know through your Realization. You will know that he is the Joy-giver. So, for that, you have to start teaching yourself going to the imagination, going to poetries, sing about it. All the time be with Him and clear out your left side as we call it. All your fears will vanish, all your troubles will vanish and when you will know that you have the power of love. It is very simple: you have to give a bandhan to the person who troubles you. There are so many powers you know by which you can control another person who is anti-God and that is why he’s against you. Try all these methods and you will be amazed how you can work it out. But for that you have to have surrendering. If you’re surrendered then your powers are heightened. You power of divine love increases if you are surrendered. If you are not surrendered, it is minimum. Then the surrendering should not mean that you are sacrificing anything in it. It is a joyous thing to do, the most joyous thing is to surrender. If you realize that, that is what is joy, is to get dissolved into it then you will not feel that, “Surrendering, how can I surrender?” You are only surrendering your silly ego! That is all! So, love, is the key for the left side and for the right side is the wisdom, the rationality that becomes wisdom. By putting every kind of questions, you can find out, this is the wisdom. What is this wisdom of doing this? What is the wisdom of doing it? Then you will understand there is no wisdom in all this nonsense going on. There is no end to it, these are mad people! These are stupid people! These are foolish people! And, the other side is the left side is the divine love that you have. So, use your wisdom that you have got through Self-realization and use your Divine love. And, today you have to resolve that, “Dealing with any problem in my own life, whatever it comes to me, I will be using these two weapons to overcome all the hurdles that are facing me.” And it is such a beautiful thing to think that we have these two powers already with us because we are Realized. And all this is going to bring to you a compassionate heart, a generous heart like a lion, and a compassionate heart – [aside] “Oh, may God bless you. “ And a beautiful being you will be, satisfied with yourself, not trying to satisfy others, not trying to harm anyone else, not to aggress on anyone but a beautiful lamp of wisdom and love which is emitting wisdom and love without aggressing anyone. I hope you’ll resolve today and I hope when I come back from India, I will see the results of that. You know all the ways and method by which you can achieve and you have to work them hard with wisdom and understanding about it. May God bless you! Shri Mataji: So, we’ll have the aarti now, they will do the aarti, and after the aarti, we’ll have a little fire, 'yagna' as they call it, which will burn all problems. And then we’ll have our lunch. [Hindi conversation with a child:Shri Mataji’s granddaughter: How can I eat food without medicine?Shri Mataji: You can eat food, there is no problem. You can call at home, what is the time now?Shri Mataji’s granddaughter: I don’t know? What should I do once I call home?Shri Mataji: Not now, afterwards.Have you got the [inaudible]? India aarti you can say.[Sahaja Yogis sing the aarti, 'Saba Ko Dua'] Shri Mataji: May God bless you.[In Hindi, Shri Mataji is telling someone to help others to serve food. Then Shri Mataji ask people to prepare the havan] We’ll do the OM first of all. Now, you all should sit there, near the fire, surrounding the fire. Who will light up the fire? Okay lets start my child, sit there and take havan’s ingredients. Now give those names, you have got some names written down? You’ve got some copies of the names written down. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, we have. Shri Mataji: Ah! All right. Now you can sing with that “Jai Jagadambe”. So, give it to the people, those copies now. We need not do all the names. You can do 51. Would you like to do all? Sahaja Yogi: We can. Shri Mataji: All right. What’s the time now? Sahaja Yogi: Half past nine. Shri Mataji: It will be very late. No? We can do only 51. Can you ring up home and found out if she has arrived? It will be very much delayed, you see. Have only 51 names. Sahaja Yogi: Acha. Shri Mataji: Ah. And tell them as soon as she arrives, you tell us. All right. Now, can we- what are you doing? Just sit there, whatever you need will be provided What do you want? You ask somebody to help you there. [In Hindi:Shri Mataji: Please help him.Sahaja Yogi: I need tissues.Shri Mataji: Take my towel, it's good, it's vibrated. Now what do you want?] You have got “talis” [plates] with you? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Just bring the “talis” for the puja, it’s better than this. Yes, may God bless you. How are you? Sahaja Yogi child: Fine. Shri Mataji: Happy New Year! You are growing up. You grow on taller. Sahaja Yogi child: Yes. Everyone says so. Shri Mataji: Yes, you’re growing taller. [In Hindi:Shri Mataji: Aradhana, did you recognized Kareem? No? He came before to meet you, she knows, she forgets it because he has grown taller also.] Whatever you need, they will give you everything you need. [In Hindi:Shri Mataji: Please lite up the fire, you please sit here. Others will do this work. If you will do everything by yourself, so much time will be wasted.Put it inside, need to put more rice?] I think all of you should be seated now. [Inaudible] The fire is one of the elements within us. within us, which has made the Nabhi. Nabhi chakra is made out of fire. [Inaudible] Now what we do is to burn away whatever is wrong within us for this harmony, this health. So, we are requesting the fire to take this in the realm of that God. That’s how we take the names of the Goddess and put it into the fire. So, the fire burns [inaudible]. In India, you will be surprised how it will change your inside, it’s most miraculous. Come this side, I think you can sit, come this side. Now. Shri Mataji: Douglas [unsure]? Sahaja Yogi: She’s not here yet. Shri Mataji: She won’t. Sahaja Yogi: No, no, she won’t be there for a while, I think. Shri Mataji: So, 51 names you should do. Because we are just waiting for people to come and we have to start it because it is already one twenty. Dr Rustam Burjorjee: Mahashakti is the last name. Shri Mataji: Mahashakti is the last. Dr Rustam Burjorjee: Could you make it 52 up to Mahamaya? Shri Mataji: All right, up to Mahamaya, it’s good. [Laughter] You see, all of you should have a little bit. Sahaja Yogi: Little bit and keep it in your hands. Shri Mataji: At the end of it, we will put. Sahaja Yogi: End of it, because everybody cannot do it. Shri Mataji: Put it in the right hand. And in the end of it, we’ll put it all over. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. You come nearer. Shri Mataji: Those who have problems, they don’t know to sit should sit on a chair. You shouldn’t trouble yourself much. Those who have got problems should not bother. One has not to be uncomfortable. So, start it. And somebody has to put harmonium otherwise they won’t be able to sing properly. [Sahaja Yogis start to sing “Jai Jagadambe”.] Shri Mataji: Just a minute. Let the not be there, otherwise you will again- everybody should feel the note, all right? Just start the note now.

New Year’s Day talk before havan, India, January 1st, 1978 [Few people are also moving slowly.] Sahaja Yogi: Need aasan [chair]. Shri Mataji: Need aasan? Who has? Now just see his vibrations now, are you all right? He is all right. Take the name of Radha Krishna. Yes, all right now. Ok, come on whoever wants to wash it, wash it fast, Aradhana is standing, take some salt, she will put salt in water, you just take it from right hand. Shri Mataji: Why do you want to mix up all these things together? Sahaja Yogi: Because there is another one, Mother. [Unclear conversation] Shri Mataji: Actually, but there should be another group we should say that why do we need money for drinking? Going to pubs? Why don’t you reduce on that? I mean strike has a little controlling, [Unclear. A Sahaja Yogi is explaining something] Shri Mataji: But one has to grip something, what I am saying, you are gripping one thing, one finger is not going that way and another is not going that way you see so whether you are on the contradict [unclear] should be used in this way that, even the fingers may be different, you can grip the same thing. And when all of them put together they can only grip it. But why not give up drinking, what I have don’t go to go? Give up drinking, give up drinking. That’s how you save your money. At least, save your money there. They are asking money for what? For drinking only. Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Money is so low. Shri Mataji: David, I tell you, it's not that, you see, it's not that low. Because I tell you now that people who were coming to me for work, I mean, I don’t think I was giving them too much money but they, after lunch, they would go for pub in the day time. Sahaja Yogi: I know because its cost [unclear] Shri Mataji: That’s the thing! See. So, one should point out that there are people who get lots of money and still go. But we are not the people like that, we are already very low paid that should be pointed out. You are very low paid people. Sahaja Yogi : [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Good, that was good too. What about- who else is left now? [Sahaja Yogi in Marathi] Shri Mataji: Marathia. [In Marathi]. Shri Mataji: What else? Sahaja Yogi: So, the All-pervading Devi will constantly preside there with senses with all beings and governs all the elements. Salutations again and again to Her who is pervading this entire world abides in the form of consciousness. Shri Mataji: Chaitanya rupe. [Cut in the audio] A new year starts and I was telling you just now that life is a cycle. If there is no cycle then there is no life and because the cycle starts, a new year also has to start. If there is life, you must have seen that there is a change in nature too. It has to be that way because if the seed has to grow which has to become the trees, the tree has to become the fruits, and fruits have to become the seed. The change is all the time there and the change shows the progress, the growth, the life itself. So, the poetry of life is all the time changing itself, its moods, its tones, until it reaches a point where it feels it can manifest its beauty in its fullest way. And that is the time that has come today because this is the era of enlightenment and that is why the enlightenment has to come. We have to understand why this life is created in this way, what are the undercurrents that have created this life. How are we here? How do these undercurrents work within us? How these centres and chakras, which are not seen by the naked eye, are acting? Now, people have written about it, talked about it, said about it but nobody has felt them. So, this is the era of enlightenment where you feel them, where you understand that they exist within you not only mentally but also like an actual experience within you. As you feel the heat and cold, in the same way, you start feeling your chakras, this you know. But today is a day when one has to starts afresh again, every time a new thing. So, what are we to now decide as Sahaja Yogis? Because most of you are Realized, you got vibrations, you have done a lot of wonders with your vibrations and you know what Self-realization is. So, what should we decide today? A special day today, on a New Year’s Day we have to resolve certain things within our mind. Now it is for all of you to decide for yourself, you’re free to decide whatever you like, whatever you think proper which is to be done. But, the main thing, the basic thing should be that as we have got now Self-realization, as we have now risen higher into the realm of the Unknown, now as we have entered the kingdom of God, what should we do? How should we progress? Why are we kept back and why are we not progressing faster? And that is what one has to resolve, that we will do our level best to rise within ourselves and whatever is needed has to be done. As I have told you before, that before the car starts you cannot make it progress but after Realization, only your car has now started, it is working now you know it is working now. A new style of life has started within you in which you feel those chakras and you feel your undercurrents and you can feel the undercurrents of others. And you have started also feeling the thoughtless awareness as we call it, and also, you’re quite doubtless about it that there is something like that. But let us face the problem as it is with us and what can we do about it. Now, as I have said that we have a problem, the way we have led our life. Now, we have a different problem in the West and different problem in the East. And, as the problem in the West is that people are mentally very developed, intellectuals as they call themselves, have read a lot of non-knowledge so far. They have to go to knowledge. Now, the knowledge you know is so different from what you’ve known so far because there is an All-pervading Power which you know you can feel it through your fingers sparking out. You know how it cures people and you can feel where is the problem within yourself and you start feeling yourself the problem of others. This is a very different thing and how the elements are controlled and how you see that even fire and flame can be controlled and all these things you have known now. All these things, once they’ve come to you, it is necessary for you to understand that the knowledge you have had so far through books and through reading and through this or that is nothing compared to what you have got. Within 2-3 months of Realization, people will find that they are very much more knowledgeable now. They understand the essence of everything because you have now picked up the essence. But let us see the essence of the Western problem. Now, the Eastern problem is different than the Western problem. And, the Western problem is this that you have been achieving everything by going out. And you have been thinking and planning, organizing out of material things and now materialism has caught hold of you now. It is sitting on top of you. You cannot think anything but without thinking about the matter. Somewhere or the other you get involved into it, again and again, you get involved into it. Now, one way would be to fight the materialism by not thinking about it or by denouncing it or by getting rid of it or there are ways of just fighting the materialism. But these are no good, these are no good because the more you try to fight it, the more it sits on you. So, for a western mind, to get over the materialistic side of life is- easiest would be, through proper rationality. They can use their rationality to understand it. Then by rationality, if you understand, after Realization before the Realization, of course, it is not possible but after Realization. I mean so many of you who have taken to say, hippie’s life and things like that still are quite materialistic. Because the trouble is that what you have done is to denounce something, once you denounce something that means it exists there, whether in a negative way or a positive way. If you say it is night means you know there is a day somewhere. So, when you denounce that, you have to remember one thing that you are still accepting within this thing that is why you are denouncing it. If it is not there, how will you denounce it? So, what do you do to really get rid of these clutches of materialism? Because of this Western life, you see, we are so materialistic. Because of the so-called advancement of our brain that we have become so materialistic. And we are in such a terrible grip that we do not realize that we calculate every ‘pie’ [Indian smallest money] that we spend, we calculate every ‘pie’ that we earn. We think in terms of money all the time. We calculate also the other person what sort of a dress the other person is wearing. How much money he must have spent for it, how is he dressed? All this mind has to be cleansed and how do you do it, is the point. So, for you people who are Realized it is very easy to understand how to get rid of materialistic domination on us. It’s to look at it, rationally you can look at it, to think that, “What is it after all?” You see, a question of money comes in: now you should think, “Why am I thinking about money? For what? What do I have to have? What is so essential?” You must have this, you must have that, all right. But why possess it? If you could get rid of this idea that you possess anything, half of the battle is won. Which rationally you can understand you cannot possess anything; you cannot take anything from this world. Even this much you cannot take. It is a fact. Try to tell yourself, “Am I going to take this with me? Am I going to take this with me? Am I going to take this with me?” “Why should I roam about things? Why should I get things? Why should I worry myself? Why should I waste my energy on these things?” That doesn’t mean that you should become untidy people or you should become lazy people. I am not saying that. But don’t waste your energy in this because finish it now,had enough of it. Why do I need it? Why should I bother about these things? These are not important. This is one way of looking at it rationally. Secondly, you must think that you do not possess anything it is only registered in the shop or it is registered in some sort of a registration office that “this is yours”. This belongs to me that belongs to me. All this I am going to leave here. That doesn’t mean that you should be untidy and that you shouldn’t have even the things that are needed. I am not saying: “You go and sleep on the streets and do all those yogi tricks”. No! You should lead a life of a simplicity. Try to be simpler and simpler. Then, third way is when you want to get something. First of all, think, “Is it for sharing I am getting it or is it only for myself? Is it exclusively for me or is it for sharing? If it could be used for sharing, all right, I’ll have it. But if it is exclusively for me, I don’t need it actually, there is no need”. You are the people who have to set in this nucleus working, so that in the Western mind this starts that simpler life is needed. No elaborations are needed, not showing-off needed. Why do you need? You are Realized souls. Your faces are shining, your whole being shows that you’re Realized. You’re the enlightened one. I don’t- I’m not talking about people who are not Realized. I am talking about people who are Realized. Then calculation of money is not needed of any kind. When you understand it rationally, what are you calculating? You will see, after the Realization, that all your calculations will fail, “Sankalpa vikalpa karodhi”. Whatever you will decide you’re going to have will be all finished and you will be amazed at yourself that how is it after Realization! Many people think that, “How is it Mother?” After Realization, they think they should become multi-millionaire, you see. [Shri Mataji is talking to a Yogi in Marathi.] Shri Mataji: Lindsay, will you be able to go? I think you’d better go. You see, she’s trying to find out. Now. The materialism is to be just watched and you will laugh at yourself! It is such a joke going on. We are wasting so much of our time, it is such a joke going on! Then, that witnessed state comes into you. You start seeing things, you start understanding. And with that witnessed state you will understand that matter has one quality, and that is joy giving and that is the beauty that is contained in the matter[unclear word]. Look at this white, this beautiful white, the forms, the ripples it has created of beauty. That is all it is. It is nothing more than that. It has a joy giving quality and that is the beauty, that is contained in the matter. Nothing more or less. It has nothing to do with money. It was created much before money started and is there and will be there even when the whole money will finish off. So, do not value money and beauty together. It has nothing to do with that even a small thing becomes great if it is beautiful. But the beauty is enhanced even hundred times more, hundred times more, when you put a little feeling into it, a little feeling into that. The matter, a little thing, a little thing, now you have seen you have given me now this, whatever it is. I don’t know what it contains, I have no idea. Now they have given Me with love. That is sufficient for Me with love, with fragrance, will be a hundred times more when it will flow out of my being because you have given it to Me with love. Sahaja Yogi: What is the number of sister’s house?Shri Mataji: Whose?Other Sahaja Yogi: It's 61.Sahaja Yogi: Take right before petrol pump, the house near the bridge, that is the house.[Shri Mataji is talking in Marathi].Sahaja Yogi: Do it fast. [Marathi conversation]. So, this one thing one has to do, is to understand the beauty in the matter comes to us through some eternal forming capacities in that matter. There are some forms which we see, may appear beautiful, but that beauty is perishing. That is perishable, that is not eternal. But behind this perishing beauty, there are forms which are eternal which do not change their form. They are stars. They are eternally there and they create these temporary beauties for a while and which vanishes. You know in every chakra we have got different deities and these are the forms which are eternal. Now, this small thing you have given Me to eat now this chana, see now the form of this one. I don’t know if you have noticed the form of chana, Anita? The form of a chana, you won’t believe, but it is a fact that if you take a coefficience out of the depth and the thickness and the length of this small thing chana- [Hindi conversation. Shri Mataji is asking a Yogi to wait for some time until the end of her talk] It’s the coefficients that works out, it’s the best for vibrations. It is most surprising a small thing like chana. You can take a lime. Lime also has the same type of coefficience as this Chana has. There are some things which are absolutely very near to those forms which are emitting vibrations from your being. And these forms, though they look insignificant to you, can be of very great power. Like we can say, a garlic. Garlic has got a tremendous power to throw vibrations. If you can take garlic, I was telling her, it can work wonders in you, if you can really slice it and eat it. If you take chana, it is very good too for you. So, there are many things like this which perhaps normal people do not know. But those who are sensitive can find out and say that this is a thing that is emitting vibrations. And, this is how something that is matter becomes important for you and some things which are matter are absolutely useless. For example, plastics, nylons. You have one thing but don’t have things which do not emit vibrations as Realized souls. Because you people should pay more attention to vibrations than to anything else. And, to have more vibrations, you must understand the value of the matter which you are using or which is there. [Hindi conversation. Shri Mataji telling a girl that she is talking to people right now.] So, these matters, material things as we see them, there are some things which are very good for you and which you must have in your house. For example, incense. Incense is one of the most important things. You all must have incense in the household. Now you know Parsis, and many people light an incense in the morning and evening. Most of the people who are religious they do it without even understanding. Lamps and lights and things, these are very important but how much time do we spend on them or how much money do we spend on them? So, if you can find out what things are necessary for your life as spiritual people, you spend time on that. Find out proper things of proper vibrations, use that. The rest of the material things, you leave it to God and he will manage. You look after your spiritual rights, you achieve your spiritual rights. Like we have got 1st class citizens, 2nd class citizens, 4th class citizens and 7th class citizens. In the same way, you have to be the 1st class citizens in the kingdom of God. And the rest of it he looks after: “Yoga kshemam vahamyaham” [Gita, chapter 9], I look after your yoga, that is, of course, is the Realization and the “kshema” is your wellbeing. Both things are looked after. You don’t have to bother about it. As Christ has said, “Look at these birds, so singing the praise of God” is the best way that you forget all your material problems to him. He looks after. But many people, you see, are like this they say, is the attitude you see the human attitude is so converted I don’t understand; I mean I don’t know what to call it. The way it is, it should be- it is upside down. They say, “All right Mother, we are singing praise to the Goddess, we didn’t get this. I was trying for a job; I didn’t get the job”. I said, “Now what to do with these people? They are mad!” Why are you doing all this to get a job? Why am I telling all this to get a job? I am telling you this that you rise within yourself. That you become that 1st class citizen. I am not telling you all this to get a job or to get a material life or to become a king somewhere or to collect a lot of money. This is to get your position in the kingdom of God, I am telling you. How do you relate it to your achievements? It’s the way your attitude is. If your attitude is wrongly placed you can never see the thing properly, I mean it is a very common thing. [Cut in the audio] Just to see: do you get involved into it? So, remember that you have to go beyond. Rationally you can understand it, by God’s grace you have got Realization, you can get into thoughtless awareness and you can really combat your right-side problems of planning and acquiring more and more things and getting more and more enslaved by your possessiveness or being possessed by your possession. All these can be overcome rationally. The left-hand side problem you know that, is that where you get into fears, into troubles, you are afraid and get oppressed by others. Then what is the solution for a Sahaja Yogi? For a Sahaja Yogi, the solution is that he should know that he is the medium of love, of divine love. And that is the greatest weapon a person has is of divine love. But to have divine love one must have faith. And you should be able to surrender yourself to that faith that there is God Almighty, that he is All-pervading, that his powers are working and you have seen his powers working and that you have to use your imagination if you want to call it because after Realization, there is nothing like imagination because reality starts. Just think about it how you’re going to surrender yourself to God? Every moment of yours you have to think about the surrendering and then you will be amazed, that the joy that is promised to you will be your own. Through your faith and love in God, whom you have come to know through your Realization. You will know that he is the Joy-giver. So, for that, you have to start teaching yourself going to the imagination, going to poetries, sing about it. All the time be with Him and clear out your left side as we call it. All your fears will vanish, all your troubles will vanish and when you will know that you have the power of love. It is very simple: you have to give a bandhan to the person who troubles you. There are so many powers you know by which you can control another person who is anti-God and that is why he’s against you. Try all these methods and you will be amazed how you can work it out. But for that you have to have surrendering. If you’re surrendered then your powers are heightened. You power of divine love increases if you are surrendered. If you are not surrendered, it is minimum. Then the surrendering should not mean that you are sacrificing anything in it. It is a joyous thing to do, the most joyous thing is to surrender. If you realize that, that is what is joy, is to get dissolved into it then you will not feel that, “Surrendering, how can I surrender?” You are only surrendering your silly ego! That is all! So, love, is the key for the left side and for the right side is the wisdom, the rationality that becomes wisdom. By putting every kind of questions, you can find out, this is the wisdom. What is this wisdom of doing this? What is the wisdom of doing it? Then you will understand there is no wisdom in all this nonsense going on. There is no end to it, these are mad people! These are stupid people! These are foolish people! And, the other side is the left side is the divine love that you have. So, use your wisdom that you have got through Self-realization and use your Divine love. And, today you have to resolve that, “Dealing with any problem in my own life, whatever it comes to me, I will be using these two weapons to overcome all the hurdles that are facing me.” And it is such a beautiful thing to think that we have these two powers already with us because we are Realized. And all this is going to bring to you a compassionate heart, a generous heart like a lion, and a compassionate heart – [aside] “Oh, may God bless you. “ And a beautiful being you will be, satisfied with yourself, not trying to satisfy others, not trying to harm anyone else, not to aggress on anyone but a beautiful lamp of wisdom and love which is emitting wisdom and love without aggressing anyone. I hope you’ll resolve today and I hope when I come back from India, I will see the results of that. You know all the ways and method by which you can achieve and you have to work them hard with wisdom and understanding about it. May God bless you! Shri Mataji: So, we’ll have the aarti now, they will do the aarti, and after the aarti, we’ll have a little fire, 'yagna' as they call it, which will burn all problems. And then we’ll have our lunch. [Hindi conversation with a child:Shri Mataji’s granddaughter: How can I eat food without medicine?Shri Mataji: You can eat food, there is no problem. You can call at home, what is the time now?Shri Mataji’s granddaughter: I don’t know? What should I do once I call home?Shri Mataji: Not now, afterwards.Have you got the [inaudible]? India aarti you can say.[Sahaja Yogis sing the aarti, 'Saba Ko Dua'] Shri Mataji: May God bless you.[In Hindi, Shri Mataji is telling someone to help others to serve food. Then Shri Mataji ask people to prepare the havan] We’ll do the OM first of all. Now, you all should sit there, near the fire, surrounding the fire. Who will light up the fire? Okay lets start my child, sit there and take havan’s ingredients. Now give those names, you have got some names written down? You’ve got some copies of the names written down. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, we have. Shri Mataji: Ah! All right. Now you can sing with that “Jai Jagadambe”. So, give it to the people, those copies now. We need not do all the names. You can do 51. Would you like to do all? Sahaja Yogi: We can. Shri Mataji: All right. What’s the time now? Sahaja Yogi: Half past nine. Shri Mataji: It will be very late. No? We can do only 51. Can you ring up home and found out if she has arrived? It will be very much delayed, you see. Have only 51 names. Sahaja Yogi: Acha. Shri Mataji: Ah. And tell them as soon as she arrives, you tell us. All right. Now, can we- what are you doing? Just sit there, whatever you need will be provided What do you want? You ask somebody to help you there. [In Hindi:Shri Mataji: Please help him.Sahaja Yogi: I need tissues.Shri Mataji: Take my towel, it's good, it's vibrated. Now what do you want?] You have got “talis” [plates] with you? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Just bring the “talis” for the puja, it’s better than this. Yes, may God bless you. How are you? Sahaja Yogi child: Fine. Shri Mataji: Happy New Year! You are growing up. You grow on taller. Sahaja Yogi child: Yes. Everyone says so. Shri Mataji: Yes, you’re growing taller. [In Hindi:Shri Mataji: Aradhana, did you recognized Kareem? No? He came before to meet you, she knows, she forgets it because he has grown taller also.] Whatever you need, they will give you everything you need. [In Hindi:Shri Mataji: Please lite up the fire, you please sit here. Others will do this work. If you will do everything by yourself, so much time will be wasted.Put it inside, need to put more rice?] I think all of you should be seated now. [Inaudible] The fire is one of the elements within us. within us, which has made the Nabhi. Nabhi chakra is made out of fire. [Inaudible] Now what we do is to burn away whatever is wrong within us for this harmony, this health. So, we are requesting the fire to take this in the realm of that God. That’s how we take the names of the Goddess and put it into the fire. So, the fire burns [inaudible]. In India, you will be surprised how it will change your inside, it’s most miraculous. Come this side, I think you can sit, come this side. Now. Shri Mataji: Douglas [unsure]? Sahaja Yogi: She’s not here yet. Shri Mataji: She won’t. Sahaja Yogi: No, no, she won’t be there for a while, I think. Shri Mataji: So, 51 names you should do. Because we are just waiting for people to come and we have to start it because it is already one twenty. Dr Rustam Burjorjee: Mahashakti is the last name. Shri Mataji: Mahashakti is the last. Dr Rustam Burjorjee: Could you make it 52 up to Mahamaya? Shri Mataji: All right, up to Mahamaya, it’s good. [Laughter] You see, all of you should have a little bit. Sahaja Yogi: Little bit and keep it in your hands. Shri Mataji: At the end of it, we will put. Sahaja Yogi: End of it, because everybody cannot do it. Shri Mataji: Put it in the right hand. And in the end of it, we’ll put it all over. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. You come nearer. Shri Mataji: Those who have problems, they don’t know to sit should sit on a chair. You shouldn’t trouble yourself much. Those who have got problems should not bother. One has not to be uncomfortable. So, start it. And somebody has to put harmonium otherwise they won’t be able to sing properly. [Sahaja Yogis start to sing “Jai Jagadambe”.] Shri Mataji: Just a minute. Let the not be there, otherwise you will again- everybody should feel the note, all right? Just start the note now.

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Advice, Part 1, Rajoguna and Swadishthana Chakra, Lakshmipati

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1978-01-31 Advice in Delhi, Part 1 - Rajoguna and Swadishthana Chakra - Lakshmipati, Delhi [translation version 1] I have told you about the Nabhi Chakra and also about the Void. The guru principle resides in this “Bhavasagara” (ocean of illusion) and this Guru principle establishes the dharma within us. These ten petals here that we have shown are the ones which establish the ten dharmas within us. (Shri Mataji points towards the petals on the chart). It is important to have these ten dharmas in a human being otherwise he is not a human being. Even if he has nine dharmas in him is still [Inaudible] a bit and if he does not follow these dharmas that are within him, and when I say dharma I don’t mean by Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and all that but dharma means the innate dharma (religion) of humanity within, if one does not keep to those ten dharmas then he turns into a devil. This Guru tattwa has taken birth in this world in many forms especially it has these ten main incarnations have taken birth like Raja Janaka, Nanak, Mohamad saa’b etc. and at the end it was Sai Nath from Shirdi, who took birth. They tie this tattwa/moral within us because all these gurus who have taken birth for our evolution are placed within us. [Unclear] These Gurus are very subtly placed deities within us. Like for these Gurus already say: “Don’t consume alcohol”, then they weren’t mad that they said this. Neither were they standing in any elections to win votes that they said that. You can’t even say that they had any kind of business that in some competitive feeling he said that thing. They said: “Child, don’t drink alcohol, don’t take to cigarettes, don’t take any kind of drugs” because the position of our attention within is also placed in the area of void. You will be surprised to know that our attention is in our stomach. Actually, to be specific, in liver resides our attention. They said you don’t drink alcohol so your attention does not get spoiled. You know by drinking human awareness gets damaged. People got the other way by saying ok, if drinking is not allowed then lets not garlic, onions, etc. Prophet Mohamad used to eat garlic, onions and also Nanaka used to eat meat and all that, attention should not be wasted on food etc. what we would in the morning, what we would eat in dinner, what you will eat today, what will you eat tomorrow and so on. I went to Paris, I was shocked to see how much time people spend on the thought of what would you eat. An hour before they will make you sit down and there will be a discussion on what will you eat, they will bring you a menu then people will decide “okay I will eat this, I will eat that”… and on top of it there will be an intensity about their deep interest in that particular dish. Does everyone has the same taste or what? They will make you work hard in this one hour and after this discussion now they will keep drinking wine. After that, God knows what they like…Then they will be so peculiar as to what they want, how they want their dish. That’s why the waiters in France are considered the experts because they can give the way people want their desired dish. And it should be cooked right then and this and that and all that…and if you look at the taste, its absolutely waste. Don’t know what they keep on doing, one hour man wasted there on I want this and I want that. Today I want to eat this, tomorrow I would like to eat that and then day after I will eat that. Then we have people on our side who have disease for “Upvas” Fasting. This is a new one, good one that go for fasting. If they want to do fasting then they are thinking ahead of time, “oh tomorrow is fast then what to eat. Well in fast we can only eat singhare ka atta. (a particular type of flour in India which is made out of a fruit”). Ok, then to get that will go to “Khari-Baoli” (a place in Delhi) where to get that. And what if we won’t find it…then will call somebody and person agrees to get that. Then he goes to get it. Then like this the fasting trend goes in the air. Another thing fasting on Friday. For what? “Goddess Santoshi” Oh, you should never fast on that day. The day she is born, who has told you to fast on that day? Now how far should I go on to tell you these tricks of brahmins, a few of them are here and they will come and hit me on my head. The day someone is born they tell you to fast. They tell you to fast on “Sankarshti.” Now you tell me if this is common sense to fast on the day when Shri Ganesha was born.There should be some sense in it. It should have some meaning in it. The day Mother Santoshi was born they tell you to fast. The same day you are not suppose to eat sour, means the things she likes to eat you should avoid. Is this a way to please her or a trick of negative “Tantrikas which means the things she likes you don’t do. That displeases Mother Goddess. First thing I tell you is that I don’t like children on fasting. There is no need to do fasting. What trouble you are in that you have to fast? Yea, I mean if you don’t feel like eating today then you can some fruits and done. That’s it. But there is no need to do fasting in Sahaja Yoga. Do I need T.B. patients here? They make this picture of Christ like a T.B. patient, where he is standing and his hands and legs appear to be as thin as if there are just bones. You should think yourself that can Christ be like this? Think yourself. Use some brains. That how can it be possible. Christ, was the one who was so divine, so great, charming like flower and so energetic that he could beat ten people like you. Now these devil, French artists. The ones who themselves walk like women. They made Christ like that so what can be done. At least nobody would make Shri Rama Chandra like that in our country. (laughter-everybody laughs with Mother). There is atleast that much sense we have in our country whenever they will make Rama Chandra or Mother Sita they will create a healthy, wealthy, plumb, beautiful personality. Nobody would make such a diseased looking kind of images where skin is all going inside their being. How can such personality do any benevolence to people. So there is no need to do fasting. Gandiji did it for all once during “Satyagrah moment” (One of the moment during freedom struggle of India) no need for you all do to fasting. Mother will not be happy with this. It does not mean that you go on eating. (laughter-everyone laughs with Mother) Man goes to extreme you see, that oh Mother said to eat. So now lets eat and then next day you come to me saying Mother please treat my stomach. You should eat whatever is required. It should not be too much and it shouldn’t be too less. But something in between. There is no extreme to it. One should use some discretion. Commonly one can say that one’s attention shouldn’t be on food too much. There should be some distance [unclear] As per the righteous act under dharma it makes sense to follow that you eat what is made by the Gruha Laxmi (housewife). Vibrated and good food. You can say what is dharmic should be eaten. It does not mean that I am talking about vegetarianism and non-vegetarianism. No, not at all! See the extreme in that also. Jains have gone too far in vegetarianism that I don’t understand how to explain this to them. So they will one Brahmin in a room and all the available mosquitoes or bugs in that town are brought in that room to that Brahmin. Now these bugs bite that Brahmin and suck his blood. And he is given money for this act as a token of respect. Now you tell me if this their vegetarianism. Do I have to give realization to mosquitoes? Or do I have to give it to the hens? I have to give it to humans. What will you do by saving hens? Don’t be overlyl kind to these bugs and hens otherwise I will be giving lectures to these guys only. So in a simple way you should continue with life and whatever is required can be followed. But with these kind of ideas sometimes funny and dangerous situations can arise. Like I’ll tell you a story where a personality named “Lama” reached in Denmark, Lama, name Lama! And there he said that I only walk on marble floor. So these children who were his followers collected some money and got marble flooring done for him. Just imagine now in Denmark, poor guys had to go for marble. After that this Lama guy reached there with a shaved head and said that I am a vegetarian and you guys also have to go vegetarian. Now you see, in Denmark you can’t get so much of vegetables. Poor guys get only potatoes easily and not much. All started following vegetarianism and became thin and their skin going inside them. And Lama eats quite well and was plumb. So I asked them one day what did this guy tell you about sex life and all. They told me that he said to them that its in our culture and it’s fine to do whatever you like. At the end I heard this. This is a truth you won’t believe that two of the girls came from him and told me “Mataji, we have become pregnant over there” This is their vegetarianism. All other men who were there this guy had (text 1- weaken/text2- beaten them) Because normally whatever a person eats in his life if you wean them with that he will turn weak. And once he is weak, it’s very easy to put bhoots in that person. So make someone weak first and then fill him with bhoots. Rama Chandra ji (Shri Rama) was a “Khatriya” (warrior as per their born religion) and he used to eat everything or not? For whom did he kill a deer? Jains have went this far in their understanding and have even said for Shri Krishna that he was not God. Why? They said because he did not kill anyone. So for devils if Shri Krishna won’t kill then who else, would these Jains go and kill? Should rakshasas not be killed? Is that violence? Violence also comes under the dharma. (Righteousness) All that is benevolent is dharmic and has to be performed. In fact anger also has to be shown. If you don’t get angry bhoots don’t run away. Sometimes have to shout at them to scare them away then he runs otherwise it doesn’t go away. So there is no harm in shouting if by doing that bhoots go away, should do it or would you fold your hands and request him to leave the body of the person as you are non voilent. So if you be this soft to the bhoot then with these pleadings bhoot will come on you as well. Where there is a requirement to shout one has to shout. You must see that earlier people use to take a broom and hit the bhoot in the person with it really hard and shout at the bhoot to leave the body. Sometimes I have to scare them by saying that I will give you a curse if you won’t go. Then they pack and go. You should see this sometime, it is very interesting kind of a thing. So there is weird thing that it is said that “One shouldn’t get angry”. Once we were having a program in Mumbai and quite a lot of people were there. In that program one person was possessed with a bhoot and started acting. So he came up and ripped a book, threw at me and kind of misbehaved by using abusive words and all that. I kept quiet and just witnessed. So some people got upset with him saying that he can’t misbehave with Mother like this. On this the possessed guy said “you all are Sahaja Yogis, you should sit quietly and should not get angry” then I told them to give two solid slaps and if he says anything more, give him to the police. Then he ran for his life. It means that those days are gone where saints and sages were torchered and troubled. Now in these days if anybody will even look at these saints with bad eyes, then those eyes would be destroyed. Without that these negativities are not going away. Who has given this right to human beings to torture these saintly people all the time. This is a new era. Enough of it. Now in these time all the wrong which is hiding within them will be brought outside and exposed. All those who have performed adharmic activities will be given a lesson. No body has right to exploit saints and sages. Earlier there was a saying that if someone will do such a thing will be under sins now whoever does anything wrong, it will be shown the same time. (Kind of instant karma fruit) otherwise the problems of saintly people would never go away. How much these saints have been exploited. This is because of adharma, when there is adhrama in your Nabhi chakra. When complete adharma covers this whole thing then Shri Vishnu takes his incarnation. He has incarnated himself in many forms and you know he has even come as a woman once. He comes to protect these saintly personalities and at that time as i have told you earlier also that Shri Durga here on your centre heart comes sakshat as Shri Jagadamba. She has incarnated many times. It is said that she took one thousand incarnations but she has also taken some “ansh-avtaras” (means partial incarnations) And she comes in this world to protect. To protect the Satva, she protects the satva-gunas. (qualities of the central channel). After receiving that protection when a person rises then she sits here on the center heart as Jagadamba. Heart Chakra is in the centre and heart is to your left which has Shri Shiva as the residing deity which is also known as the “atma swarupa” (Spirit) so Shri Shiva resides in the heart. If somebody says that I got a heart attack then if we tell him to ask for forgiveness and say “oh lord of compassion, please forgive us, if we have done any mistake, in any way if have done anything wrong you kindly forgive us. ” “Kara-charana krutam va kayajam karmajam vaShravana nayanajam va manasam v’ aparadhamVihitam-avihitam va sarvam’etat kshamasvaJaya jay Karun’abhe He Maha-deva Shambho”This is the mantra to cure his heart. I bet you if his heart does not get well with this mantra. But you can’t do it. A realized soul is required to say this because his connection will be the divine. And if he asks for forgiveness it will be granted because he is bhole shankar. But connection has to be there. Rather if you are his devotee you will get a heart attack. Yes, you will definitely get it. Why? Because without his permission, “baap-re-baap” (Oh my god) Shiv ji! Even if you have to meet Prime Minister you write one hundred letters and then he is Shri Shiva, everybody’s grandfather’s grandfather he is. He is a very great thing. Just like that you take his name is not advisable.(text unclear) No. His name shouldn’t be chanted without realization. Look at what kind of people he is surrounded with. All these ganas will give you left and right to make you all right. That’s why before Realization, you shouldn’t take his name. And after Realization also, you should become very humble and seek forgiveness for yourself and then should take his name. You need a lot of humility if you desire to worship his name. He is only attracted by humility. Because of this humility itself a lot of great demons were also able to achieve him. A person should be very humble. He is pleased with those who always look at their own faults and be humble at his lotus feet. If you want to (Shri Mataji telling someone in Marathi language not to take photographs in between the lecture as it disturbs. What is so special to take picture while I am lecturing.) This is the place of Shri Shiva. Shiva resides within us as “atma-swarupa” (spirit) in our heart. Like light of lamp its always illuminating in our hearts. It knows everything within us as to what is happening, what is not happening. It is called as “KhetrAgnya”. In front of that lord “Parameshwara” do not do any mistakes. If you have done any mistake seek for forgiveness. Your Heart Chakra will be caught up if you have done any mistake. That’s why you should think of any mistakes you might have done and ask for forgiveness. You can’t think of anything then you should pray “Lord if we have done anything wrong please forgive us for that.” Without his forgiveness heart can’t be all right. any kind of extreme behaviour can easily displease him. That’s why I tell “Hatha Yogis” to leave “Hatha Yoga” or else they will get heart attack. Only by doing few kinds of “asanas” (positions type) is not “Hatha Yoga” there are six kinds of things one needs to follow. Like you know there should be routine and discipline, only “brahmachari” ascetic should be allowed to do it and that too by the age of twenty five he should be done with all of this yoga in a forest. This is written in “Patanjali Yoga” if you read it you will know. And its not written anywhere that those who live in households are allowed to do it. No where it is written. One should have a guru, one should have a desire to be one with God. Out of these “Pranayam and Vyayam” are very two small things about “asanas” (yoga exercise) Specially about these asanas, you should know about your chakras which are weak and they need workout. Now you have stomach problem but you are doing asana for you throat. So then you spoil your throat along with your stomach. There is science as to what should be done where and how. Which mantra is to be used where is also a complete science. If your heart chakra is caught up and you are spending time in Shri Vishnu’s devotion then how will it benefit you. As a result you will get Vishuddhi problems because its without permission so you will get Vishuddhi Chakra, then Shri Shiva will be upset with you and because you are taking the name of Shri Vishnu so your stomach will also get disturbed. So unnecessarily you will end up on the bed or in the hospital. Then they will say “Mataji, we are very dharmic people and we pray everyday even then we are here in the hospital.” Now here your ignorance is at fault. The biggest thing is that everything can be forgiven. God can forgive anything, everything can be alright if you stabilize yourself on one thing and that is “Shradha” (enlightened faith). Faith is a very great thing. If you have faith in God innocently without any questions then one day or the other you will definitely get one with God and besides anything wrong done by such person also earns forgiveness. If he thinks about God at that time he will be forgiven because god knows that he is connected to me because of his Indestructible faith. But these days people have no faith and everything has become a fashion/trend. That’s why it takes an opposite form. That’s why man starts to get opposite results. Whatever he tries to do to get some good out of the thing it turns the results completely opposite. Like I told you that all the people from “Hare-Rama Hare-Krishna” have got throat cancer. So many come to me from there and I tell them to open a cancer hospital rahter than an ashram. Now if you tell them they are like we do “Hare Rama Hare-Krishna” why did we get cancer? So the reason is that you are taking the name of Shri Krishna from your Vishuddhi and you haven’t had any permission from him. You should take his permission. If you just start taking his name morning till evening, then is he your servant? But this understanding comes to you when you get cancer then somebody says Mataji can cure cancer then they come to the line. You will be surprised to know that they are in such bad condition that if I try to ask them any question they just keep on repeating the same words. So likewise by doing any such kind of stupidities one can get many problems. You can see that small thing like electricity which is such a simple power but if you put your finger somewhere then you get a shock so this great tremendous power of the God which is flowing and to have disrespectful and ignorant behaviour can be very dangerous one should know. That’s why today I am going to tell you each and everything about it. (Unclear text) I am not going to hide anything from you. I am going to tell you each and everything about this power. So later you don’t complain me that Mother you didn’t tell me about it. For this you need to understand, here I told you that its Shri Rama’s place, on the right side. He is on “Rajoguna” as “Maryada Purushotama” on the “Pingala nadi”. Now about him what should one say about him as you know whatever is said in his glory and about him is not enough. But he is (Text-1 embodiment of fatherhood/text-2 embodiment of good conduct and boundaries of good man). Like say, when our this father principle is disturbed then this chakra goes out of order. For if we do not act well towards our father or as father then also it gets affected. Especially when men who run after other women and don’t respect their wives they get this chakra. They get breathing problem. (Asthma) Direct result. If you are catching on your heart to your right means you are against the principle of Shri Rama where he had only one wife. Then you shouldn’t get married. At the time of wedding you get so super excited and after marriage you think that your wife is worst woman you have ever met. Whatever your wife you should consider her like Lakshmi and should accept her. That’s the principal of Shri Rama of one woman but if you can’t keep to this….I mean if you are having some adjustment problems and all that then we have some treatments in Sahaja yoga to get it right. You can bring the person to the right path but can’t show disrespect to the person. But if you insult that person then it means that you are devoid of this principle of Shri Rama on your right heart. The same way Shri Rama was an ideal king and if some king falls down from his ideal behaviour then also he gets the same chakra. Means he was like father and king should be like that who lives in his boundary. You will ask now that what if a woman becomes characterless then what happens so if that happens then she gets caught up on her left side. Her left of the heart will be caught up and if she gets that means she has become characterless. If she gets her central side caught up then one breast cancer can develop. When a woman feels that her sense of security has gone bad. When a woman looses her sense of security then she gets breast cancer. If such a situation arises then the solution is to provide security to the woman. Lot of women get Asthma problem, their heart beat goes off the track then also its the same thing that her sense of security is challenged. Like here we have a rule that when new daughter-in-law comes to the house we have to torture her it won’t feel like she has come to her in-laws. As soon as the bride comes to the house we put thousand and one blames on her starting from her great grand fathers and then will go on..saying that your father did this and he was like this and you are like this and you are like that and no good etc. So when things like this start then the girl’s Centre Heart gets caught up and she develops the insecurity. When this insecurity starts to settle in then she develops this catch and due to which she gets breast cancer. In England and America this disease is way too much because there nor man is stable neither woman is stable. In that imbalanced situation women get this problem because woman in her hearts of heart thinks that they should have a home, their husband should be with them and they live comfortably with their kids. But due to social norms if the situation gets imbalanced then these problems arise. And above that there is this Vishuddhi Chakra that I was telling you about the other day. This Vishuddhi Chakra is constructed or made with with sixteen petals. We have these similar sixteen sub plexuses which are in cervical plexus. Our ears, nose, throat, muscles of our mouth, outside part of our eyes is all governed and taken care by this chakra. Infact when you get sinus problem that is also the result of disturbance in this chakra. It’s two branches go towards our hands as well. That is why sometimes people get their Realization but they don’t get any feeling on their hands. If that happens then you should get it that you got your Realization but the reason you can’t feel vibrations on your hand is because your Vishuddhi Chakra is disturbed or not alright. On Vishuddhi Chakra Shri Vishnu becomes the Virata, Virata. Means collective. When a person does not have collectivity in him, he is very self centered, he just thinks about himself and has no thought towards others or society then also this chakra gets caught up. Second thing is tobacco as we are aware of this thing. (Uncear audio). Tobacco is reincarnation of “Putana” (a female demon who came on the earth when Shri Krishna was born) She is always after Shri Krishna. If we take that in any form then this chakra of ours gets caught up. This is the Virata. Virata, the one we call it as “Akbara” that is why muslims call it “Allah-ho-Akbar”. The Akbar Mohammed spoke about was Shri Krishna. He spoke about Krishna, he is the one who takes the form of Virata. There can’t be any fight of Mohammed and Krishna as one was the guru he was the Viraata. Then you will say then Krishna was greater than him. So tell me in your case, if your eyes are bigger or nose? That your ear is bigger or your mouth? Everyone has their own space their own importance. (Shri Mataji points towards the human chakra chart and describes the Virata). So this Virata..you can imagine this body as Virataa and that the chakras are within the Virata’s body and you all are inside that being as cells. You can call it as Microcosm and Macrocosm. Means that from these small cells this bigger being is created and every cells is a replica of the of the bigger being. When these small cells inside the Virata get this awareness that they are part and parcel of the whole at that moment they get their self realization. You come to the collective consciousness. You can start to feel the chakras say for example of this lady, like where is her attention, where is her Kundalini. Even small children when they get this blessing of the Virata, of the collective consciousness they can tell, like this girl Pragnya and also my granddaughter who is just two years of age but she can tell you which chakras you are caught up on. Because fingers become sensitive to the feeling of vibrations to this new awareness that this new thing enables to guess where are catching and what it is. It is very important to understand the aspect of Virata. When you consume tobacco then you destroy the Virata within you. The Virata which is within you in the form of collective consciousness, you destroy that. This is such a dirty thing, you see. It such a bad thing that you can estimate it. Once a question was asked, “Why did God create such a thing in this world? So the answer is to kill the insects and bugs it was created. Its an insecticide. God didn’t know this stupid human being will start eating an insecticide. He didn’t know he just made it. What should he do? Then they will ask that why alcohol was created, so it was created just for polishing. It’s only a polish, polish. Somewhere its metal polish, wood polish, sometimes if you want to polish diamonds you can use “jinn” for that. Its only a polish, who told you to drink polish? No God told you this, right? Then why did you start drinking? If tomorrow you start eating soil and may be something even worse than that then what to do? What is God’s fault in it? Or your own mind is at fault? If you drink this polish then you won’t have any hangover but you will drink that which is a bad thing. And I don’t get one thing is when one person goes into drink and he comes out in a (unclear text*) way then those who are watching should run but ten more will go inside. Now see what kind of a brain/intelligence a man has. One person just came out and fell into a ditch/sewer lane then others should take a lesson from this and should run away from this thing but rather those ten will also inside and get the same kind of hangover to fall in the same ditch/sewer lane. They are like give us also to drink, then they will write poem on it, articles on it, big (unclear text)….that I started talking about alcohol and eight to ten people are ready to go out. (People start to look around then Shri Mataji says…) They didn’t leave yet, didn’t leave yet. (laughter-everyone laughs with Mother) I am giving a prospect that I took this topic of Alcohol and they are ready to leave. (laughter again) So instead should I be saying that son, go ahead and drink as much as you like? Well, there are gurus who do that. They say dear children go ahead and drink, you can smoke tobacco, live your life to destroy it but just hand your purse/wallet over to me. Just this much arrangement for me. Then I don’t have any objections for you to go for gambling, thefts, mafia and even murder people! Keep your purse here. So this much is our relationship that whatever may happen but from your earnings I should be able to get at least sixteenth part of it. (Shri Mataji laughs sarcastically on these gurus) Here at this point on this chakra Shri Krishna is present in his complete form. A human being comes to this complete form only when he reaches to the state of “Sakshi-swarupa” witness. When this whole world appears to him as a “Leela” a play. Everything is like a play. This can only happen when you become realized. Krishna, apart from this is a great incarnation of diplomacy. Diplomacy of the whole world comes from the lotus feet of Shri Krishna. He was such a diplomat that he has tricked you all for many years. (Unclear text-not sure how to put these words in English) like he gave the theory of “Karma” (action or duties in routine) where you go on doing the duties or karma but leave the fruit of those karmas (work) at the lotus feet of the Divine/God. In second chapter itself Krishna told Arjuna to achieve the highest, to absorb the knowledge, indirectly basically he was told get to the Self-realization. So Arjuna couldn’t understand the fact and he asked Krishna that one side you tell me to be realized and a witness and on the other side you tell me to go for the war. So Shri Krishna said “I got it…” because he is a diplomat. I will explain you so imagine there is a child playing a bullock cart or horse cart and the horse is behind the cart and the father comes out of his hut and tells him to switch and child does not want to change he wants to continue the same way he is playing. So the father says alright. So attention should be on the horse. A human being is still playing with it. From last six thousand years he is doing the same thing. So many people I have met who tell me that Mataji, I only perform my karmas and the fruit I leave at the lotus feet of God. You will find these kind of self satisfied people a lot. It is not possible. This is diplomacy. What is the essence of diplomacy? Let me tell you the essence of diplomacy which is that put the absurd condition in front. A person will fall trap into his own web. Now, see the play of the words here where He said that you do your karma and leave the fruit at the feet of God. Its an impossible situation where this is an absurd condition. Now human being is trying to do it like stupid. All right, keep on doing. Unless and until you are (text-1 detached, text-2- broken) until your “karma” becomes “akarma”, until you become empty from within this can’t be achieved because ego and superego are sitting on your head. Whatever you will do it will be either by the force of ego or by superego. So how can you surrender to God unless you have a connection with God. He infact said:-“Karmanye vadhikaraste phaleshu ma kadachan” (This is 47th sanskrit shloka from second chapter of the Gita, which insists on the importance of doing karma and not getting attached to the result or the fruit as it is in the hands of the Lord.) Krishna said this and that too by putting this absurd condition because its not easy to get human beings to the right understanding. I am watching that even after six thousand years the situation is still the same. But I am a Mother so I will say that son, don’t feel bad but bring that horse to the front. Whether you agree or not I can bring that horse in front and put it right. Forcefully I should bring your horse right because from last six thousand years man is trying hard and for how long he would do it? Then in Bhakti yoga also he has shown great diplomacy as again being a diplomat. What to do, can’t do without diplomacy. He said “Pushapam phalam toyam”(full shloka- Patram pushpam phalam toyamYo me bhaktya prayacchati,Tad Aham bhakty-upahritamAshnami prayaytatmanah”)He said in bhakti yes whatever you will give me- fruits, flowers, leaves anything I will accept that but while giving, I will accept anything that you will give me but notice here you notice the play of his words that it should be given in “Ananya Bhakti” Anaya word is the trick of the play. I have heard in many lectures where people say to do “Ananya Bhakti” Ananya means there is no one else, when you are one with the divine you become Self-realized then you do the bhakti. Has played on the word “Ananya Bhakti” the all the people are still playing. From last six thousand years no one has been able to understand this part which says that Anaya bhakti means when you get your realization first then go in bhakti. When there is no one else in your bhakti that state comes only when you become realized not before that. The same way he described yoga. But he had been compassionate enough, that’s why his name was “Krishna” means the one who does the “Krishi” (means the farming) he did this farming. The meaning of Krishna is the one who did the krishi (farming). He did the farming part and now I am reaping the fruits or say flowers of those who are ready. He did the farming. He was Krishna. It has been six thousand years no problem, but even now he is present in our throat. When he is awakened in our throat then we can spread our hands toward the Virata and can know that in everyone human being I reside. (unclear text) Like there are various types of gems but a same thread runs between or through them the same way when you come on your (Text-1-2 channel/thread/system) the same moment you are also able to go the other’s system as well. This is the thing which is known as collective consciousness. Thanks to the scientists and psychologists, Jung has said that “Next step to awareness is collective consciousness”. (text1- Yung) said that who was the student of Freud. Look at this interesting fact also. He came as a student to Freud and revolted against him and he proved that human beings have collective consciousness in them. To prove his theory they observed the dreams of some people and in that observation he collected this information that everyone who gets a dream gets a (unclear text) symbols and these symbols are the same whether the person is in England, America, India or Timbuktu. Like say for example someone is going to do a murder then he gets a special type of triangle in his life as image and that the point of that triangle would be positioned towards the downward direction. And if someone is going to get murdered (victim) then he will be getting some image of a triangle where the point of that triangle would be positioned toward the upward direction. Like this they have examined hundreds of dreams and proved that there is some kind of power within us which always gives us a balance, warns us in our dreams. Not only this but it also gives us warnings in symbolic way that this is not all right and that one should not do it. Like so he has done many. He has volumes after volumes of his books, if you get a chance you should read it. Jung was a great Sahaja Yogi but very few people recognized him. He struggled a lot in his life and had to face a lot. Every wise had to suffer like that no wise man was ever able to get this many good listeners. This is the first time ever that even gods from heaven are happy to see that so many people are listening to Mother. Otherwise, it was hard to get even person and if another one comes the first one will go away. So its like that puzzle in mathematics which says that on a construction once one person came and left the work half done second one came left the work quarter done then when will the work finish? It will never finish if you will have such kind of people. Sahaja Yoga shares the similar story. Maximum people we get are like that. They will come get their self realization, done. Someone will be cured of his disease, then they are like- “ah, Mother cured us”. Then gone. Those who actually stay and get settled in Sahaja are very few. Very Few. There is no end to knowledge as far as Vishuddhi Chakra is concerned. Once you start getting vibrations and slowly start to (text-1visualize/..) and will understand the greatness of Vishuddhi Chakra. Now in this void we have two great entities as well which we know as “Chandra” (moon) and “Surya” (sun). Moon and Sun are such chakras which reside on these “nadis”(channels) here and here (Shri Mataji probably pointing towards the chakra chart and refer) On these chakras there are two very great personalities who have been appointed. They are complete embodiment of human beings. They are like humans in fact are humans. Out of these one is Buddha and one is Mahavira. But if you listen to the whole history of their lives then these are two sons which Shri Sita had as “Luv and Kush” who is completely in human form. And after they evolved to the level that they are here as Buddha and Mahavira. There also they thought they have reached an extreme of non-violence because the supports of non-violence came in and started protecting even mosquitoes and bugs. Then they again took birth and came at the time of Mohammed. Mohammed was an incarnation of Shri Janaka. (Father of Shri Sita) and his daughter Fatimabai was also incarnation of Shri Sita. Then as their sons as Hassan and Hussain they gave their life in Karbala to prove that no kind of extreme is good. And this thing is truth or not you can see on your vibrations. If I am lying then through your vibrations you would know that not even one single word is a lie here that I am telling you. And their two positions are here on our head (Shri Mataji probably pointing towards the chakra chart to show their position on head). If your left nabhi is catching then realize that the Mahavira is not alright. If Mahavira position is going alright means that you are very rigid kind of a person. Means starting from morning you will be like can’t eat this, can’t drink that, can’t touch that, can’t do that, need a crisp ironed shirt and all that after shower. Being this kind of a stiff personality gets you Left Nabhi. If you get that then you have to take the names of Shri Mahavira. And your Right Nabhi catches when you become very egoistical. In terms of food, I like that…I like small chopped potatoes with methi. ( a dish in India which is made with greens of fenugreek seed and potatoes) then your Nabhi gets caught up/gone. I like such kind of bathroom. Are you “Aga Khan”? You like the palace of “Aga Khan” then what should we do. So acting in such “tanashahi” way (dictatorship) I didn’t like this thing, I went there and I didn’t like their clothes, I don’t like the saree you are wearing, then you are gone. This is Buddha’s work. In this way, egoistical people get their this chakra caught up. And in this way both sun and the moon channel get caught up. Mahavira has went so deep on the left channel that he has described even what all happens in hell how it happens and what kind of snakes and bugs and insects and smell is there and even then these Jaïns have got no wisdom at all. Not at all they have got any sense. If you read that then you will pull your ears and say “Mother we don’t want to go to hell”. Do whatever else but if this is hell we don’t want this. In fashion you do hundreds of things but keep this in mind that you will go to hell. Someone had this joke I will tell then I will finish my lecture today and then there are two more chakras which we will do tomorrow.Some gentleman shared this funny story/joke once. That there was a nice dharmic and peaceful person and when he passed away he was brought to God and from there he was directed towards the heaven. He went there and saw that Yogis were meditating there and he saw here also Sahaja Yogis are meditating and i was meditating on earth also. Everyone is just enjoying the meditation and bhajans and all. There is no fun. It has been same for me so there should be fun also and some change. So he requested God that I have heard a lot about Hell, I would like see their fun and what all they do there so please allow me to go to hell. So God said: “Okay you can go this way”. He goes there and see people are having romance, women are dancing, lot of alcohol and cigarette, drama is going on, songs, music, dirty and vulgar conversations are going on and all. Like the scene you have in discotheque. He thought okay yea, this looks good to me. I can enjoy here…So he stood there and someone asked so what are doing here? He replied: ‘I wanted to come to Hell and God has send me here, so I am here to enjoy.” They said: “All right, you take this way and go from that door over there.” So he went. As soon as he opened the door he saw people being fried in big, big pots, some were hanging upside down, someone’s throat was being slit, somewhere very weird kind of creatures were crawling upon men and eating them up and people were standing like (unclear text). He got a fright of his life and came out running. He asked what is all that inside? Here you all are enjoying and inside is devastating. They said this is our publicity department of hell. [Shri Mataji laugh]So get allured with this publicity department. I am telling you, if you don’t trust me read Mahavira, if I am lying. He has explained about all seven kinds of hell. So don’t go the way to hell my child. Now you imagine, i think about it and I feel how should I talk to my children about it. So if a Mother knows what hell is and she knows about it she would hold her kids tight and would shout that don’t go that way of hell. She can stay hungry and would do anything to stop her kids from going there. You can get this understanding only from those who know about it. I know about it and have seen it that why I am telling you not to go by their publicity department and shouting and requesting you to walk on the right path. By saying this I end my lecture for today its eight-o-clock now and tomorrow we will talk about the next two chakras and will have conversation on Kundalini awakening and what happens with that also about conscious mind and all. So you all come again tomorrow and take notes of my lecture, read it, understand it, and get realized. For Kundalini awakening experience and meditation come in the morning as I work on that part during the day because we don’t have time for that now. Not only that but in morning if I will also cure if someone needs that but for now lecture went on for really long. In fact, I wasn’t expecting that but vibrations were very strong. Those who have got cool vibrations on their hands have got their realization. But one has to get established in it, get immersed in it, it is a very subtle happening. For now you are not that subtle. Please note this thing inside the hearts of your hearts that unless and until you know the value of something you can’t desire to attain it. I have made this thing very simple by working hard on it but still you would need to work hard on yourself and make your instrument alright. I can only start your car. With great joy I share with you that with the help of Hindi department after great analysis and work of seven years a book has been printed and released in hindi language. You all should get that book, take home and read it. You will get a lot of knowledge that will help you. But only book can’t help you either as experience is must. If you haven’t got the experience then everything is a waste. (Seems like some asked Shri Mataji about the price of the book and in response she says) No no there has to be some price. One rupee each? Whatever your shraddha is…Must not be less than a rupee, right? (everyone laughs) No, you should definitely have some price, otherwise I have seen human nature that if you just give them like that then they use it for (unclear) car, its good. Let’s use it. So it shouldn’t be treated like that. It has a great importance. This photo here has got vibrations, that’s why keep it in a proper place and use it in a proper way. From the picture itself thousands have got their self realization in western countries and have got rid of their diseases. That’s why don’t insult the photograph. I am telling you in advance. I am not as simple as I appear. A lot of personalities are sitting within me so don’t try to do anything wrong. One is Shri Hanumana who is standing right there on the door, when you are leaving he will give you all one “paapach”. Go home straight forward, humbly and acting respectfully towards the photograph. I am telling you this. This is the photograph. You all can get it. One rupee is not much anyone. Otherwise if we start distributing for free then its done. Some are standing outside who can get it from there. [translation version 2] I have told you about Nabhi Chakra and Void (Bhavasagar). This Void contains our Guru tattwa and Guru tattwa establishes Dharma within us. These 10 petals shown here establishes the Dharma within us. Humans need to have ten Dharmas within them otherwise they are not humans. Even if they have nine dharmas established, still somewhat they are lacking. And by Dharma, I absolutely do not mean Christians, Hindus, Muslims, etc. But, if humans do not take care of the 10 dharmas of humanity within them, then they become demons. This Guru tattwa has taken several births on this planet. Specifically, there have been 10 main births. Raja Janak, Nanak, Muhammad Saab, etc. and lastly Sainath of Shirdi took birth. We tie these tattwas because even inside of us, all those great personalities who have taken births for our evolution are also tied inside of us. Humans are also tied to several things. It is very subtle. Like gods these gurus are present in our void. Now, first & foremost, they have told not to drink. They weren’t bit by some mad dog, nor were they fighting elections, neither did they have other businesses that due to competition, they told drinking was bad. They told, son, do not drink, do not smoke, don’t take any brew, because, in our stomach resides our Chitta (attention), specifically, in our liver. They told not to drink so that you do not bring impurities into your stomach and ruin your attention. Drinking alcohol drowns your consciousness. Now, people got a different meaning of this. To take care of their stomachs, they put too much attention on food. They started not eating garlic, onions, this, that, etc. etc. Now, Muhammad Saab (Sahab) used to eat garlic & onion. Even Nanak used to eat even ghost (goat or lamb) etc. everything. Meaning, we are not to put too much attention on eating & drinking. We should not waste our attention on these things. What to eat in the morning, what to eat in the evening, what to eat now, what to eat tomorrow, etc. I went to Paris. I was astonished at the people there. I thought no one in the world is more foody than them. If they call you for lunch, for more than an hour it is investigated what to order. This specification, that specification. Now, I find all the taste same. They’ll make us work so hard to decide on the food menu, for an hour, and they’ll keep drinking alcohol for an hour, then god knows what they like so much about it. Afterwards, they’ll discuss each item, each ingredient in so much details. They give very specific orders. Hence, the waiters there are considered experts. They’ll get exactly what you tell them. So much specifications, and finally the taste is of no use. One hour a person has wasted in this – what to order. Today, I want this, tomorrow that, day after this!! Now, in our country (India), there is this disease of fasting. Now even before fasting, people start thinking what kind of ‘food’ should we prepare. Only particular type of flour should be used, etc. Now lets go and shop for that. We have this thing about Friday – Goddess Santoshi Ma’s fast. We must never do fasting on that day. Who told to fast on the very day she was born. Now, these affairs of the Brahmins, what to say. Some are sitting here, they’ll break my head! (lauging) What common sense is this to fast on someone’s birthday. The day Shri Ganesh, Santoshi Ma are born, they say to fast, not eat sour food. The thing she likes, they say don’t eat that. What sense is this! This not going to make them happy. Surely, the negative tantriks do these things, whatever mother doesn’t like, do that. I will say simply, I don’t like any fasting done by my children. Don’t fast. If you don’t feel like eating someday, that’s allright. Just eat fruits. But no need for anyone to fast in Sahaja Yoga. I don’t need TB patients here. They make such sickly pictures of Christ, like some TB patient. Thin arms, legs. How can Christ be like this. Think a bit. How can a great godly person look like that. He was a shining, bright, flower like, heartfelt person. He could take down 10 people on his own. Now, these evil French artists, have made Christ’s depiction like this. Atleast, in our country (India), you’ll never see such a depiction of Ramchandra ji (Shri Rama). Shri Rama & Sita ji will be healthy, round figured and beautiful. Not like these sickly depictions of Christ. How can sickly people help others. No need for these dramas. Now, Gandhiji did Satyagraha for all of us. You all do not need to fast. Mother doesn’t get happy by all this. Now this does not mean keep eating (laughing). Humans go to extremes. They’ll say Mother told to eat. Next you see, they are coming with such huge bellies. Now, they’ll say, Mother please give treatment for my stomach. Don’t eat too much or too less. Be in the middle. Be prudent. In general, don’t put much thought to food. Simple, vibrated, good food, made by Griha Lakshmi, i.e. dharmic food should be eaten. I am not taking about veg and non veg. Now here also, people have gone to such extremes. Jains have done such extremism of vegetarianism that I don’t know what explanation to give now. They keep a brahmin in one room and fill it with insects. The insects bite the brahmin and the brahmin gets good money for this. Now, is this vegetarianism. Am I to give realization to insects or chicken? I have to give realization to humans. What will you do saving chickens! No need for such charity. Do normal good behavior. Now, there are even more dangerous situations. Like in Denmark, there was a Lamha. He said, I only walk on marble. I am vegetarian, you all have to be vegetarian. Now there aren’t many vegetables available in Demark. Other than few like potatoes, there aren’t much options. They all become unhealthy & sickly. And the Lamha ji kept eating a lot. I asked, what did he tell you about sex. Lamha ji told them, that’s your culture, do whatever you want. Finally, two girls came from there and told me, we got pregnant. This is their vegetarianism. Now, whenever you remove a person from their normal diet, they become weak. Then, it gets easier to put bhoots in them. Ram Chandra ji was a Kshatriya. He used to eat everything. For whom did he kill the deer. Now, the limits that Jains have done, they say Krishna is not god. Why? Beacause, he killed Rakshasas. Now, if Shri Krishna doesn’t destroy Rakshas, who will. Will these Jains do it! Should we not destroy Rakshasas. Is that violence! Violence also has dharma. The destruction which is for the good, have to be done. Anger is also necessary. If you do not get angry, sometimes, bhoots don’t go. We have to get angry and say – go away. Then they run off. If it understands anger only, we must get angry. If we say to bhoots – ‘please leave his body, I’m totally non violent, please go’, (laughing), the bhoot will come and sit on you too. Where scolding is necessary, it has to be done. Earlier, people used to beat with broomsticks. No need to do that. But, sometimes you have to scold. You have to scold and say ‘go away, if you don’t go away, I’ll curse you’, then they run off. It’s worth observing these things (how these bhoots behave). Now this saying ‘Don’t get angry’ is very interesting. In Mumbai, there was a program. Many people were there. This bhoot ridden person came to me. Got very angry. Tore off my books. Threw them at me. Gave me ten slangs. Some Sahaja Yogis present there got angry. They said you cannot speak to Mother like this. He says, you are Yogis, you should not get angry, you sit quietly. I told him off. Give him two slaps now. If necessary, call the police. He immediately ran off. Gone are the days when saints were tortured. Now, beware, if anyone tries to harm sadhus & saints, they will be destroyed. All evil eyes towards sadhus & saints will be made blind. Otherwise, they’ll not learn. Who gave humans the right to trick saints all the time. This is a new era. Enough is enough. All secrets and evil will be removed. All adharmics will be punished. No one has the right to trick sadhus and saints anymore. Earlier, it was said, you’ll get bad karma if you trick saints. Now, that bad karma needs to be visible that instant. We have tricked saints too much. This is due to adharma. When there is adharma in the Nabhi, when Nabhi is totally filled with adharma, then Shri Vishnu ji takes incarnation. He has come in many forms. He has come even in female form. He comes for the protection of Sadhus & Saints. And at that time, Shri Durga ji, Jagadamba, comes to the center heart. She has taken several births. It is said she took 1000 births. She has taken several partial incarnations as well. And she protects the tattwa after coming to earth. She protects the qualities of the tattwa. After that protection, when humans rise to the center heart, it is the place of Jagadamba; Jagadamba then resides in your heart. Hearth Charkra is in between. Heart is on the left. That is Shri Shiva’s place. That which is called the spirit, resides there. If anyone says, I got a heart attack, then I tell him to ask for forgiveness from God Almighty. You tell him – ‘O Ocean of forgiveness, please forgive me. Whatever mistakes I have committed, by any means, please forgive me. Kara-charana kṛitam vā kāya-jam karma-jam vā (Please forgive all our wrong deeds that have been done by our hands or feet, or created by the body), Shravana nayana-jam vā mānasam v’āparādham (By our ears or our eyes, with our minds or through our mistakes.) Vihitam-avihitam vā sarvam-etat kshamasva (For all that has been done or left undone, please forgive us.) Jaya jaya Karun’ābdhe Shrī Mahā-deva Shambho (Victory to You, again and again! O ocean of compassion, O great and benificent God!)’ This is the mantra. If his heart doesn’t get allright, I am ready to lose whatever you say. But, the person must be a realized soul because he has developed the connection with God Almighty. And if he (realized soul) asks for forgiveness, he is forgiven because Shri Shiva is ‘Bhole Shankar’ (Innocent). But, connection must be there. On the contrary, if you are Shri Shiva’s devotee, you’ll get heart attack. Yes, absolutely. Why? Because, without his permission, … (you are taking his name) If you have to meet the prime minister, you have to write so many letters to so many people. But Shivji, Shivji is the grand father of the grand father (huge personality). He is a very big deal. His name should never be taken casually. See, who all sit with him. You will be reprimanded by the Ganas if you take Shri Shiva’s name carelessly. Without realization, never ever take Shivji’s name. After realization, with extreme humility, your head bowed, asking for forgiveness, you should take Shri Shiva’s name. A lot of humility is required, if you wish to take Shri Shiva’s name. And he likes only humility and because of this humility even several big Rakshasas have got him. You have to be very humble. Always accept your faults and with humility be at the feet of Shri Shiva. This makes him happy. (scolds a Yogi in Marathi for clicking pictures. Says no special ‘roop’ is going to come while giving lecture. Not to disturb) OK, now Shri Shiva’s place is left heart. He resides as the image of God (Spirit). Keeps burning like a luminous flame. He knows everything, whatever is happening or not happening within you, like a field expert. Don’t make any mistakes in front of this Lord. And if you make a mistake, definitely ask for forgiveness otherwise instantaneously your heart will get caught. Remember your mistakes, if you can’t remember just say ‘Lord, forgive me for any mistakes I made.’ Without him forgiving, heart cannot clear. Any kind of extreme behavior annoys him. That is why, I say not to do Hatha Yoga. Definitely, you’ll get heart attack. Only asanas is not Hatha Yoga. There are six things in this. There has to be rules. Only brahmacharis (celibate) should do Hatha Yoga, that too in jungles, before the age of 25 Hatha Yoga practices should be completed under a guru. You should commit what you do to the Lord. Nowhere it is written in Patanjali that a householder should do Hatha Yoga practices. Nowhere. Among that, Pranayam, Vyayayam, Asanas, etc. are very small part. Among Asanas also you should know, which chakras have problems and accordingly what Asanas you should do. Now, suppose you have stomach upset and you are doing Asana for the throat. Throat will be damaged along with stomach. There is science behind what to do where, which mantra to be taken where. If your heart is caught and you are doing bhakti of Shri Vishnu, what is the use! One – your Vishuddhi will get caught because without permission you are taking mantras, Two – Shri Shiva will be upset, Three – you are taking Shri Vishnu’s name, hence you’ll upset your stomach as well. You’ll get bed ridden or will have to be hospitalized. Then you’ll say, we are so Dharmic, we do so many rituals every day and we are in the hospital. Here, the fault is of your ignorance. Biggest thing is, the Almighty forgives all of these, everything can be forgiven if you are determined about one thing – intense reverence. Respect/reverence is a huge thing. If you have innocent faith and respect towards God Almighty, there is no questioning, you will find God sometime or the other. And even if he does any mistakes, it can be forgiven. Whenever he remembers God he becomes kshamya (excusable) because God knows his devotion but nowadays, there are no such devotees, people are more into fashion. So, the person becomes the opposite of a devotee. Whatever one tries to do, opposite outcome occurs. For example, I told you about Hare Rama Hare Krishna people who get throat cancer. So, many of them have come to me. I told them instead of an ashram, you people open a cancer hospital. Now, they wonder why we are getting cancer as we are praising Rama and Krishna ( Hare Rama Hare Krishna ). They should understand that without permission they are taking Krishna’s name, they should take his permission first. These people from morning to evening started reciting his name. Krishna isn’t their servant but then they only understand when they get cancer and then they get to Mother cures cancer and then they come to me. You will be surprised that if I ask anything from these people they still go on reciting those words (Hare Rama, Hare Krishna). So, by doing such stupidity one can suffer so much. Now, you can take the power of electricity if you put your finger into it you will get a shock, the same way the highest power of God is flowing. Disrespect or ignorance towards that power can be dangerous and that is why I am going to tell you each and everything out this shakti, nothing I am going to hide. I will tell you about this param shakti ( Power of God ) to you then don’t say that I didn’t tell you. You need to understand it. Now, I told you that this chakra is of Shri Rama on the right side and he was a maryada purushotama (the supreme among men upholding the auspicious/righteous boundaries). He is sitting on Rajoguna ( pingala nadi – right channel) . Whatever I say is always so little because there is too much to tell about him. But he represents fatherhood as he is the father. So, whenever the fatherhood is challenged then this also gets disturbed. Especially, when a man runs after women and doesn’t respect his wife they get a catch here. They get Asthma. If your right side is catching then you are against Shri Rama who was devoted to his wife. Either you don’t get married but the time you get married you are excited but after marriage if you are not dharmic ( righteous ) and you feel that your wife is the most horrible woman, however your wife is she is the Lakshmi and you should accept her as your Laksmi swaroopa (embodiment ). This is the quality of Shri Rama – being devoted towards his wife. If you don’t get along with your wife at all then in Sahaja Yoga they can get better. You can show them the right path but you cannot disrespect them, you cannot disrespect the essence of wifehood. If you disrespect them then the virtues of Shri Rama you don’t get. In the same way, Shri Rama was an ideal king and once a king or ruler isn’t ideal then this right heart gets caught up. He was like a father who is a king and a king should be in his maryada ( limits or auspicious boundaries ). So now if you ask what happens when a woman becomes adulterous then her left side catches (where Mahakali principle resides ). When her center heart catches then she can get breast cancer. She feels her sense of security has been affected. The solution is to get a sense of security. Many women get Asthma or heartbeat problems; it means their sense of security is affected. Here in India, when a bride comes to her in-laws house, unless and until she isn’t totally worked up she is not a bride. There will be thousands of rules for her and they start accusing her of what her parents and family have done. The woman can get a catch of center heart where her sense of security is. In England and in America, this problem is to a great extent because no man or woman are answerable. In rule less system, women get this disease quite often. A woman in her being feels she should have her own husband, children and a good household but if that doesn’t happen due to societal conditionings, then this problem arises, her sense of security is affected. Above this is Vishuddhi Chakra, it is a very important chakra. This Vishuddhi chakra is made of 16 petals and these are in our cervical plexus. This controls throat, nose, part of eyes, facial muscles, ears and even the problem of the sinus glands which you get due to imbalance of this Vishuddhi chakra. It’s two branches go towards our hands. Therefore, sometimes people get their self realization but don’t feel vibrations due to imbalance of this Vishuddhi chakra. On Vishuddhi chakra, Shri Vishnu becomes Virata, meaning collective. When human being is not collective but is self centered, he doesn’t think of the society or others then this chakra catches. Now, another thing is tobacco in any form taken then this chakra catches. Tobacco is the avatar of Puthana (female demon) who is always after Shri Krishna. Virata who we call as Akbar, that is why muslims say “ Allah Ho Akbar “. The Akbar prophet Mohammad spoke about was Shri Krishna. Prophet Mohammad and Shri Krishna can never be separate because prophet Mohammad was the Guru principle and Shri Krishna is Virata principle. Then you will say one is greater but is the ear bigger or nose? Every deity has its own working and position and all are important. You can see this subtle system chart, it represents Virata and Virata has the same chakras and channels and you all represent each cell within him. You can say it as microcosm and macrocosm. From all these small – small cells, a big cell is made. When these small cells get enlightened who is an image of this big cell that is the Virata, then realization is done. Then you are part of a collective consciousness. You can feel another person can tell which chakra is catching till where the Kundalini has risen in another person. Even small children when they get realization can tell, for example, my granddaughter PrAgnya, who is 2 years old can also tell what chakras you are catching because you can feel it in your fingertips, a new awareness is established. One needs to understand the Virata principle. When you eat tobacco you end this Virata principle within you. So, you tell how horrible this tobacco is. Now one can ask why God has made tobacco ? It is made to kill pests – it is an insecticide but God didn’t know that foolish human beings will start consuming it. Now, one can ask why God made alcohol ? It is made for polishing, for example, wood polishing, and if you want to polish diamonds you can do so with gin. Who told you to consume a polish ? God didn’t tell you right ? Then why did you start drinking it? If tomorrow you start eating mud or start doing worse then what can I say ? What is God’s fault in this ? It is the mind’s fault. If you don’t drink this polish you can never be intoxicated. Another thing I don’t understand is that, if one person drinks and is intoxicated and starts shouting then others should see this and run away from that person instead 10 more people go into it. I don’t know what brain human beings have! One man came and fell into gutters, humans should run away seeing this but instead they go there and drink. Then they write poems and stories. Once I started talking against alcohol, 8-10 people got up and started leaving the hall. Not now.. not now.. [laughter] but sometime ago. So, shall I say beta ( child ) drink a lot? Of course, There are many false gurus who will tell you to go ahead and drink and take tobacco and finish your life but just give your wallet to me. They don’t care if you murder people or rob people or do smuggling but they just want your wallet. Their and their guru’s relationship is just that his earning’s 1/16th part should go to the guru. On Vishuddhi, Shri Krishna is in his complete form. Humans also get to that complete form when he reaches to witness state. The whole world seems to be like a drama to him. This can only happen when you are realized. Krishna is also an avatar of diplomacy. Whole world’s diplomacy comes out of his lotus feet. He was such a big diplomat that he fooled you since so many years because he knew that if spoken straightforwardly; they are in any case going to kill (hit) Mataji; but he is not a Mother(Mataji); he is Father figure (pitaji) and he said beta ( child ) keep on going on like this. If you keep on going like this it is fine. When you bang your head then you will come to the right direction. The way he spoke about karma, that you do your karma without expectation or you leave results to God. In the second chapter of Gita he told Arjuna that you should get your self realization. So, Arjuna said, on one side you are telling me to get self realization and on one side you are telling me to participate in war ? So, he said okay I understood. So, Krishna is a diplomat. So, you can think of it as, for instance, there is a child and he is standing with a bullock cart and the horse is at the back. So, his father came out of his hut and told him to move the horse in the front but the boy said no I will keep it here. The father said ok but keep your attention on the horse. Now, the boy is keeping the horses at the back and it has been 6 thousand years the horses are still there. Same way humans come and say Mother I do my karma but the result I leave it to God but it is not possible for you to do that. This is the diplomacy. I will tell you the principle of the diplomacy that put absurd conditions on the person and then the person will get into his own circumstance. Just see the drama of his ( Shri Krishna ) words that keep on doing karmas and leave it to God. It is not possible! Now human beings keep on going like this but till the time your karma doesn’t become Akarma it is not possible because you have ego and superego. Whatever you will do, either you will do with ego or superego then how will you surrender it to God until and unless you don’t have the connection ( union ) with God till then how is it possible? He has just put you in an absurd situation because humans cannot understand otherwise. It has been 6 thousand years and humans are still the same but I am a Mother and I say child don’t feel bad but put your horse in front. Even if you feel bad I can bring the horse and put it in front (only then will the cart move). I will bring it forcibly because you have been trying for 6 thousand years and still you are trying. Again in bhakti yoga, he has again shown great diplomacy. He said, whatever you give me, a flower or a fruit, see the whole play of his words, I will accept the offering but it should be ananya bhakti. Ananya means when there is no other! It is when you become one with God, when you get your self realization. Just by one word ‘Ananya’ he played you. It has been 6 thousand years humans could not understand it. It means first get your self realization and then do your bhakti (devotion). When there is no other, this state you only achieve when you get your self realization. Having said that, he (Shri Krishna) has been very gracious. He did the (Krishi) cultivation. That is why his name was Krishna, he did his krishi (cultivation). Krishna means the one who sows. He is the one who sowed (the seeds), now I am the one who is reaping them…lifting up all the flowers and fruits that have emerged, but He is the one who sowed the seeds. He was here 6000 years ago, still He is situated in our throat. When He awakens in the throat, we can spread our hands towards the Virata and then we can know that I am present in each and every human being. Just like there are many gems but through it only one thread runs, just like that when you come on your own thread then you are able to go on other peoples’ (common) thread as well. This is what is known as the collective consciousness. And there is a lot of gratitude we owe to scientists and psychologists like Jung, who has said that the next step to awareness is collective consciousness. In human beings, collective consciousness, samuhik chetna, will be established…this is what Jung has said. Jung came as the disciple of Freud who was like a Rakshasa. Look at how incredible that is as well, he came as the disciple of Freud, revolted against him and proved that there is collective consciousness in human beings and he also gave many proofs for it by looking at many people’s dreams. And through the dreams he was able to find out that in each dream there are certain symbols that appear. And they appear in every person in the same way, whether that person be in England or America or India or Timbuktu. Take for example a person who is going to murder someone. Then in front of him a unique symbol of a triangle always keeps appearing in his life and it (the peak of the triangle) is pointed downwards. And if someone is about to get murdered, then the triangle appears pointed upward. He found out about thousands of dreams and through that he proved that within us there is a power that always tries to bring moderation in us, and through symbols it gives us warnings that this is a wrong thing, don’t do it. He’s analyzed many like these, and there are volumes on volumes he has written. You should read them and learn. Jung is a very great Sahaja Yogi and in his life, he had a lot of struggles. Very few people agreed with him and he had a lot of disasters looming on him. Every benevolent person had to encounter such disasters. No benevolent man actually even got this much recognition. This is the first time even the deities are happy that so many people are listening to what Mother is saying. Before even one man was hard to find. If you used to find one, then once you found another, one of them used to run away. It’s like that math problem where the question goes… one man comes to work, does half of it and then leaves. Then another man comes, he does one-fourth of the work, then leaves. So when will the work finish? Will it even ever get done or not? If you bring such runaways, then the work will never get done. This is like Sahaja yoga, mostly all these people who always run away show up. If their diseases get fixed, then well and good. “Yes Mother has fixed us up, now we are done.” There are very few, very few that show up who establish beyond that point. Whatever is spoken about the vishuddhi is not enough, there is no end to it. When the vibrations start coming to you, you’ll slowly begin to realize more about the Vishuddhi and you’ll understand the significance of it. In the bhavasagar (Void), there are two other beings who are very important who we can know and understand as Chandra and Surya. They are such chakras that are settled on these two nadis (this and this…). On top of these chakras, two very huge personalities have been placed. They are the embodiment of human beings, they are human beings. One of them is Buddha, the other is Mahavira. But, if you listen to their entire history then they are Sita ji’s sons, Luv and Kush, who are just humans. And after that, they kept climbing higher and higher and reached a point where they became Buddha and Mahavira. Even then they thought they reached an extreme of non-violence because their non-violent followers and supporters started saving mosquitoes and beetles in the name of non-violence. Then they had to incarnate with Mohamed Sahib, because Mohamed Sahib was himself the incarnation of Shri Janaka. And his daughter, Shri Fatima, was herself Shri Sita, the Adi Shakti. And they (Buddha and Mahavira) arrived as Shri Fatima’s sons Hasan and Husein and sacrificed their lives at the battle of Karbala. To prove this that no extreme is right. And you can check this is true or not depending on your vibrations. If I am lying then your vibrations will tell you so. Not a single alphabet that I am speaking to you is a lie. Both their places are here on our head. When your left nabhi catches, then know that Shri Mahavira’s place is spoiled. And when Shri Mahavira’s place is ruined, it means that you are a very stubborn person. “I don’t want to eat this, I don’t want to eat that, I don’t want to touch that, I don’t want to do that”….shower right in the morning and only wear the clothes that are ironed. Being a stiff person like this will make your left nabhi catch and for that, then you have to take the name of Shri Mahavira. For right nabhi, it catches when you become too egotistical. For example, in the matter of food you say things like “I only like this, I only like vegetables prepared with small potatoes with cut up fenugreek leaves inside it.” Then your nabhi catches. “I only like the bathroom to be this way”. I mean, are you Aga Khan? You like Aga Khan’s palace so what can we do about that? To do this where you say things like “I did not like this thing. I went there and I did not like their clothes. You wore this saree and I did not like it” then you are gone. This is the state of the Buddha principle. This is how egotistical people catch here (ego). Like this, the nadis of Moon and Sun get caught up. Shri Mahavira did the work on the moon channel. He went into Hell and figured out what happens there, what types of 7 hells are there, the types of critters there are and how it stinks up…he has described that completely. However, even then the Jains don’t have any sense, no sense entered into them. If you ever read what he wrote, you will hold your ears and say ”Mother, we do not want to go to hell. If this is hell then we don’t want it”. In fashion, you end up doing thousands of things but know that you will end up going to hell. Right now someone told a good joke, and I’ll tell you that and wrap up my lecture. There are two other chakras left and we will talk about those tomorrow. One joke someone told was that there was a man who was very dharmic and sattvik (pure), a poor man who lived a very peaceful life. And when he went to heaven he saw that there are many Sahaja Yogis there doing dhyan (meditation). So the man said, I lived a life just like this on earth and now the same thing is here in heaven. I thought it would be a lot of fun in heaven but here everyone is only just meditating. There should be something else beyond this. So he told God, “God I want to go to hell and see what type of thing hell is so I know what it is like.” So God said “Okay son, feel free to go using this way”. So when he got to hell, he saw there is unrestrained merrymaking happening, women are dancing, music is playing, people are talking in a dirty manner, alcohol and cigarettes are going around. Just like here it happens, what are they called? I am forgetting [audience: discotheque] discotheque yes! He saw discotheques are open there so he exclaimed “wow, yesI am finally here!” So the people there asked him, “why are you standing here?” He said “I wanted to go to hell so God has sent me here.” The other person said” okay here is the door, go in through that.” The moment the door opened up, he saw people being cooked in vessels, people getting burned, being hung upside down, their necks being cut, weird critters crawling over them and eating them. He came running out and said, “what is this? You guys are doing all that outside but inside this is happening”. The man said, “what is outside is the publicity department of hell.” [laughter] So don’t get carried away by the publicity department, I am telling you. If you don’t believe me then you can read what Mahavira has written. If you think I am lying and you don’t believe me, then read it and see for yourself what the 7 hells are like. So don’t go towards hell, my dear. It is very horrible. I keep thinking and thinking how do I even talk about this, these are my children. Think about this, if a mother knows what hell is like then she will shout and scream and keep holding on to her child and say “my child, don’t go there”. She will even die hungry but will keep telling you that “no matter what happens, don’t go there because I know what it is like.” And you can only understand this from the one who knows. Why I keep shouting and screaming and pleading again and again that my children keep on the right path because I have seen hell, don’t get carried away by its publicity department. With this said, I will conclude today’s lecture because it is 8 pm and it’s late. Tomorrow we will talk about the other two chakras and general talks around what happens from the Kundalini awakening and the conscious mind. Tomorrow come and note all the lectures, think over it and understand it and establish your realization. I do the work of Kundalini awakening in the morning, for realization and meditation you should come in the morning. Because right now there is no time for it. Not only this, in the morning if there is something of yours to cure, I will do that as well. But for now, the lecture has become quite long, I was not expecting that but there were so many vibrations. Those who are feeling cool, they should know they have got their realization. But this needs to be established and imbibed. This is a very subtle truth however you are not so subtle yet. Please keep this in your heart and know that nothing can be obtained till you start valuing it. I have made this entire thing very easy and straightforward after working on it quite a lot. Even then, it can be twisted if you yourself are a twisted person. Fix yourself and fix your instrument. I can only turn on your car. It is a great moment of happiness that after seven years, through the aid of hindi speakers, a small book in Hindi was published. This book has now arrived, please take this book and take it home, read it and understand it. You will know a lot through it. But just through a book it wont work out, you have to experience it. If you haven’t experienced it, it’s all waste for you. No no the book definitely has a price. The price is 1 rupee. Keep the price of the book as 1 rupee. Whatever faith you have, it won’t be less than 1 rupee right? 1 rupee. [laughter] You have to charge something for it. The reason for this is human beings’ behaviour is such that if you just give it to them for free, they will think this to be as good as garbage. This has a lot of value, there are a lot of vibrations coming from the photograph. Keep it in a respectful place and use it with respect. Due to this photo, thousands have gotten their realization and have received wholesome health and a disease free state. So don’t dishonour this photograph, I am telling you this right now. I may look very naive but I am not. And there are many (deities) sitting inside of Me, who are sitting here and watching you. That’s why you should not do anything wrong. Hanuman ji is standing at the door, so if you misbehave he will give you a nice hit. That’s why you should leave with politeness and with peace. This is the photo, everyone should come and get it. It is only one rupee, and that is not a lot for anyone so come get it. If we start distributing it for free then it may be so…(incoherent) [end]

1978-01-31 Advice in Delhi, Part 1 - Rajoguna and Swadishthana Chakra - Lakshmipati, Delhi [translation version 1] I have told you about the Nabhi Chakra and also about the Void. The guru principle resides in this “Bhavasagara” (ocean of illusion) and this Guru principle establishes the dharma within us. These ten petals here that we have shown are the ones which establish the ten dharmas within us. (Shri Mataji points towards the petals on the chart). It is important to have these ten dharmas in a human being otherwise he is not a human being. Even if he has nine dharmas in him is still [Inaudible] a bit and if he does not follow these dharmas that are within him, and when I say dharma I don’t mean by Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and all that but dharma means the innate dharma (religion) of humanity within, if one does not keep to those ten dharmas then he turns into a devil. This Guru tattwa has taken birth in this world in many forms especially it has these ten main incarnations have taken birth like Raja Janaka, Nanak, Mohamad saa’b etc. and at the end it was Sai Nath from Shirdi, who took birth. They tie this tattwa/moral within us because all these gurus who have taken birth for our evolution are placed within us. [Unclear] These Gurus are very subtly placed deities within us. Like for these Gurus already say: “Don’t consume alcohol”, then they weren’t mad that they said this. Neither were they standing in any elections to win votes that they said that. You can’t even say that they had any kind of business that in some competitive feeling he said that thing. They said: “Child, don’t drink alcohol, don’t take to cigarettes, don’t take any kind of drugs” because the position of our attention within is also placed in the area of void. You will be surprised to know that our attention is in our stomach. Actually, to be specific, in liver resides our attention. They said you don’t drink alcohol so your attention does not get spoiled. You know by drinking human awareness gets damaged. People got the other way by saying ok, if drinking is not allowed then lets not garlic, onions, etc. Prophet Mohamad used to eat garlic, onions and also Nanaka used to eat meat and all that, attention should not be wasted on food etc. what we would in the morning, what we would eat in dinner, what you will eat today, what will you eat tomorrow and so on. I went to Paris, I was shocked to see how much time people spend on the thought of what would you eat. An hour before they will make you sit down and there will be a discussion on what will you eat, they will bring you a menu then people will decide “okay I will eat this, I will eat that”… and on top of it there will be an intensity about their deep interest in that particular dish. Does everyone has the same taste or what? They will make you work hard in this one hour and after this discussion now they will keep drinking wine. After that, God knows what they like…Then they will be so peculiar as to what they want, how they want their dish. That’s why the waiters in France are considered the experts because they can give the way people want their desired dish. And it should be cooked right then and this and that and all that…and if you look at the taste, its absolutely waste. Don’t know what they keep on doing, one hour man wasted there on I want this and I want that. Today I want to eat this, tomorrow I would like to eat that and then day after I will eat that. Then we have people on our side who have disease for “Upvas” Fasting. This is a new one, good one that go for fasting. If they want to do fasting then they are thinking ahead of time, “oh tomorrow is fast then what to eat. Well in fast we can only eat singhare ka atta. (a particular type of flour in India which is made out of a fruit”). Ok, then to get that will go to “Khari-Baoli” (a place in Delhi) where to get that. And what if we won’t find it…then will call somebody and person agrees to get that. Then he goes to get it. Then like this the fasting trend goes in the air. Another thing fasting on Friday. For what? “Goddess Santoshi” Oh, you should never fast on that day. The day she is born, who has told you to fast on that day? Now how far should I go on to tell you these tricks of brahmins, a few of them are here and they will come and hit me on my head. The day someone is born they tell you to fast. They tell you to fast on “Sankarshti.” Now you tell me if this is common sense to fast on the day when Shri Ganesha was born.There should be some sense in it. It should have some meaning in it. The day Mother Santoshi was born they tell you to fast. The same day you are not suppose to eat sour, means the things she likes to eat you should avoid. Is this a way to please her or a trick of negative “Tantrikas which means the things she likes you don’t do. That displeases Mother Goddess. First thing I tell you is that I don’t like children on fasting. There is no need to do fasting. What trouble you are in that you have to fast? Yea, I mean if you don’t feel like eating today then you can some fruits and done. That’s it. But there is no need to do fasting in Sahaja Yoga. Do I need T.B. patients here? They make this picture of Christ like a T.B. patient, where he is standing and his hands and legs appear to be as thin as if there are just bones. You should think yourself that can Christ be like this? Think yourself. Use some brains. That how can it be possible. Christ, was the one who was so divine, so great, charming like flower and so energetic that he could beat ten people like you. Now these devil, French artists. The ones who themselves walk like women. They made Christ like that so what can be done. At least nobody would make Shri Rama Chandra like that in our country. (laughter-everybody laughs with Mother). There is atleast that much sense we have in our country whenever they will make Rama Chandra or Mother Sita they will create a healthy, wealthy, plumb, beautiful personality. Nobody would make such a diseased looking kind of images where skin is all going inside their being. How can such personality do any benevolence to people. So there is no need to do fasting. Gandiji did it for all once during “Satyagrah moment” (One of the moment during freedom struggle of India) no need for you all do to fasting. Mother will not be happy with this. It does not mean that you go on eating. (laughter-everyone laughs with Mother) Man goes to extreme you see, that oh Mother said to eat. So now lets eat and then next day you come to me saying Mother please treat my stomach. You should eat whatever is required. It should not be too much and it shouldn’t be too less. But something in between. There is no extreme to it. One should use some discretion. Commonly one can say that one’s attention shouldn’t be on food too much. There should be some distance [unclear] As per the righteous act under dharma it makes sense to follow that you eat what is made by the Gruha Laxmi (housewife). Vibrated and good food. You can say what is dharmic should be eaten. It does not mean that I am talking about vegetarianism and non-vegetarianism. No, not at all! See the extreme in that also. Jains have gone too far in vegetarianism that I don’t understand how to explain this to them. So they will one Brahmin in a room and all the available mosquitoes or bugs in that town are brought in that room to that Brahmin. Now these bugs bite that Brahmin and suck his blood. And he is given money for this act as a token of respect. Now you tell me if this their vegetarianism. Do I have to give realization to mosquitoes? Or do I have to give it to the hens? I have to give it to humans. What will you do by saving hens? Don’t be overlyl kind to these bugs and hens otherwise I will be giving lectures to these guys only. So in a simple way you should continue with life and whatever is required can be followed. But with these kind of ideas sometimes funny and dangerous situations can arise. Like I’ll tell you a story where a personality named “Lama” reached in Denmark, Lama, name Lama! And there he said that I only walk on marble floor. So these children who were his followers collected some money and got marble flooring done for him. Just imagine now in Denmark, poor guys had to go for marble. After that this Lama guy reached there with a shaved head and said that I am a vegetarian and you guys also have to go vegetarian. Now you see, in Denmark you can’t get so much of vegetables. Poor guys get only potatoes easily and not much. All started following vegetarianism and became thin and their skin going inside them. And Lama eats quite well and was plumb. So I asked them one day what did this guy tell you about sex life and all. They told me that he said to them that its in our culture and it’s fine to do whatever you like. At the end I heard this. This is a truth you won’t believe that two of the girls came from him and told me “Mataji, we have become pregnant over there” This is their vegetarianism. All other men who were there this guy had (text 1- weaken/text2- beaten them) Because normally whatever a person eats in his life if you wean them with that he will turn weak. And once he is weak, it’s very easy to put bhoots in that person. So make someone weak first and then fill him with bhoots. Rama Chandra ji (Shri Rama) was a “Khatriya” (warrior as per their born religion) and he used to eat everything or not? For whom did he kill a deer? Jains have went this far in their understanding and have even said for Shri Krishna that he was not God. Why? They said because he did not kill anyone. So for devils if Shri Krishna won’t kill then who else, would these Jains go and kill? Should rakshasas not be killed? Is that violence? Violence also comes under the dharma. (Righteousness) All that is benevolent is dharmic and has to be performed. In fact anger also has to be shown. If you don’t get angry bhoots don’t run away. Sometimes have to shout at them to scare them away then he runs otherwise it doesn’t go away. So there is no harm in shouting if by doing that bhoots go away, should do it or would you fold your hands and request him to leave the body of the person as you are non voilent. So if you be this soft to the bhoot then with these pleadings bhoot will come on you as well. Where there is a requirement to shout one has to shout. You must see that earlier people use to take a broom and hit the bhoot in the person with it really hard and shout at the bhoot to leave the body. Sometimes I have to scare them by saying that I will give you a curse if you won’t go. Then they pack and go. You should see this sometime, it is very interesting kind of a thing. So there is weird thing that it is said that “One shouldn’t get angry”. Once we were having a program in Mumbai and quite a lot of people were there. In that program one person was possessed with a bhoot and started acting. So he came up and ripped a book, threw at me and kind of misbehaved by using abusive words and all that. I kept quiet and just witnessed. So some people got upset with him saying that he can’t misbehave with Mother like this. On this the possessed guy said “you all are Sahaja Yogis, you should sit quietly and should not get angry” then I told them to give two solid slaps and if he says anything more, give him to the police. Then he ran for his life. It means that those days are gone where saints and sages were torchered and troubled. Now in these days if anybody will even look at these saints with bad eyes, then those eyes would be destroyed. Without that these negativities are not going away. Who has given this right to human beings to torture these saintly people all the time. This is a new era. Enough of it. Now in these time all the wrong which is hiding within them will be brought outside and exposed. All those who have performed adharmic activities will be given a lesson. No body has right to exploit saints and sages. Earlier there was a saying that if someone will do such a thing will be under sins now whoever does anything wrong, it will be shown the same time. (Kind of instant karma fruit) otherwise the problems of saintly people would never go away. How much these saints have been exploited. This is because of adharma, when there is adhrama in your Nabhi chakra. When complete adharma covers this whole thing then Shri Vishnu takes his incarnation. He has incarnated himself in many forms and you know he has even come as a woman once. He comes to protect these saintly personalities and at that time as i have told you earlier also that Shri Durga here on your centre heart comes sakshat as Shri Jagadamba. She has incarnated many times. It is said that she took one thousand incarnations but she has also taken some “ansh-avtaras” (means partial incarnations) And she comes in this world to protect. To protect the Satva, she protects the satva-gunas. (qualities of the central channel). After receiving that protection when a person rises then she sits here on the center heart as Jagadamba. Heart Chakra is in the centre and heart is to your left which has Shri Shiva as the residing deity which is also known as the “atma swarupa” (Spirit) so Shri Shiva resides in the heart. If somebody says that I got a heart attack then if we tell him to ask for forgiveness and say “oh lord of compassion, please forgive us, if we have done any mistake, in any way if have done anything wrong you kindly forgive us. ” “Kara-charana krutam va kayajam karmajam vaShravana nayanajam va manasam v’ aparadhamVihitam-avihitam va sarvam’etat kshamasvaJaya jay Karun’abhe He Maha-deva Shambho”This is the mantra to cure his heart. I bet you if his heart does not get well with this mantra. But you can’t do it. A realized soul is required to say this because his connection will be the divine. And if he asks for forgiveness it will be granted because he is bhole shankar. But connection has to be there. Rather if you are his devotee you will get a heart attack. Yes, you will definitely get it. Why? Because without his permission, “baap-re-baap” (Oh my god) Shiv ji! Even if you have to meet Prime Minister you write one hundred letters and then he is Shri Shiva, everybody’s grandfather’s grandfather he is. He is a very great thing. Just like that you take his name is not advisable.(text unclear) No. His name shouldn’t be chanted without realization. Look at what kind of people he is surrounded with. All these ganas will give you left and right to make you all right. That’s why before Realization, you shouldn’t take his name. And after Realization also, you should become very humble and seek forgiveness for yourself and then should take his name. You need a lot of humility if you desire to worship his name. He is only attracted by humility. Because of this humility itself a lot of great demons were also able to achieve him. A person should be very humble. He is pleased with those who always look at their own faults and be humble at his lotus feet. If you want to (Shri Mataji telling someone in Marathi language not to take photographs in between the lecture as it disturbs. What is so special to take picture while I am lecturing.) This is the place of Shri Shiva. Shiva resides within us as “atma-swarupa” (spirit) in our heart. Like light of lamp its always illuminating in our hearts. It knows everything within us as to what is happening, what is not happening. It is called as “KhetrAgnya”. In front of that lord “Parameshwara” do not do any mistakes. If you have done any mistake seek for forgiveness. Your Heart Chakra will be caught up if you have done any mistake. That’s why you should think of any mistakes you might have done and ask for forgiveness. You can’t think of anything then you should pray “Lord if we have done anything wrong please forgive us for that.” Without his forgiveness heart can’t be all right. any kind of extreme behaviour can easily displease him. That’s why I tell “Hatha Yogis” to leave “Hatha Yoga” or else they will get heart attack. Only by doing few kinds of “asanas” (positions type) is not “Hatha Yoga” there are six kinds of things one needs to follow. Like you know there should be routine and discipline, only “brahmachari” ascetic should be allowed to do it and that too by the age of twenty five he should be done with all of this yoga in a forest. This is written in “Patanjali Yoga” if you read it you will know. And its not written anywhere that those who live in households are allowed to do it. No where it is written. One should have a guru, one should have a desire to be one with God. Out of these “Pranayam and Vyayam” are very two small things about “asanas” (yoga exercise) Specially about these asanas, you should know about your chakras which are weak and they need workout. Now you have stomach problem but you are doing asana for you throat. So then you spoil your throat along with your stomach. There is science as to what should be done where and how. Which mantra is to be used where is also a complete science. If your heart chakra is caught up and you are spending time in Shri Vishnu’s devotion then how will it benefit you. As a result you will get Vishuddhi problems because its without permission so you will get Vishuddhi Chakra, then Shri Shiva will be upset with you and because you are taking the name of Shri Vishnu so your stomach will also get disturbed. So unnecessarily you will end up on the bed or in the hospital. Then they will say “Mataji, we are very dharmic people and we pray everyday even then we are here in the hospital.” Now here your ignorance is at fault. The biggest thing is that everything can be forgiven. God can forgive anything, everything can be alright if you stabilize yourself on one thing and that is “Shradha” (enlightened faith). Faith is a very great thing. If you have faith in God innocently without any questions then one day or the other you will definitely get one with God and besides anything wrong done by such person also earns forgiveness. If he thinks about God at that time he will be forgiven because god knows that he is connected to me because of his Indestructible faith. But these days people have no faith and everything has become a fashion/trend. That’s why it takes an opposite form. That’s why man starts to get opposite results. Whatever he tries to do to get some good out of the thing it turns the results completely opposite. Like I told you that all the people from “Hare-Rama Hare-Krishna” have got throat cancer. So many come to me from there and I tell them to open a cancer hospital rahter than an ashram. Now if you tell them they are like we do “Hare Rama Hare-Krishna” why did we get cancer? So the reason is that you are taking the name of Shri Krishna from your Vishuddhi and you haven’t had any permission from him. You should take his permission. If you just start taking his name morning till evening, then is he your servant? But this understanding comes to you when you get cancer then somebody says Mataji can cure cancer then they come to the line. You will be surprised to know that they are in such bad condition that if I try to ask them any question they just keep on repeating the same words. So likewise by doing any such kind of stupidities one can get many problems. You can see that small thing like electricity which is such a simple power but if you put your finger somewhere then you get a shock so this great tremendous power of the God which is flowing and to have disrespectful and ignorant behaviour can be very dangerous one should know. That’s why today I am going to tell you each and everything about it. (Unclear text) I am not going to hide anything from you. I am going to tell you each and everything about this power. So later you don’t complain me that Mother you didn’t tell me about it. For this you need to understand, here I told you that its Shri Rama’s place, on the right side. He is on “Rajoguna” as “Maryada Purushotama” on the “Pingala nadi”. Now about him what should one say about him as you know whatever is said in his glory and about him is not enough. But he is (Text-1 embodiment of fatherhood/text-2 embodiment of good conduct and boundaries of good man). Like say, when our this father principle is disturbed then this chakra goes out of order. For if we do not act well towards our father or as father then also it gets affected. Especially when men who run after other women and don’t respect their wives they get this chakra. They get breathing problem. (Asthma) Direct result. If you are catching on your heart to your right means you are against the principle of Shri Rama where he had only one wife. Then you shouldn’t get married. At the time of wedding you get so super excited and after marriage you think that your wife is worst woman you have ever met. Whatever your wife you should consider her like Lakshmi and should accept her. That’s the principal of Shri Rama of one woman but if you can’t keep to this….I mean if you are having some adjustment problems and all that then we have some treatments in Sahaja yoga to get it right. You can bring the person to the right path but can’t show disrespect to the person. But if you insult that person then it means that you are devoid of this principle of Shri Rama on your right heart. The same way Shri Rama was an ideal king and if some king falls down from his ideal behaviour then also he gets the same chakra. Means he was like father and king should be like that who lives in his boundary. You will ask now that what if a woman becomes characterless then what happens so if that happens then she gets caught up on her left side. Her left of the heart will be caught up and if she gets that means she has become characterless. If she gets her central side caught up then one breast cancer can develop. When a woman feels that her sense of security has gone bad. When a woman looses her sense of security then she gets breast cancer. If such a situation arises then the solution is to provide security to the woman. Lot of women get Asthma problem, their heart beat goes off the track then also its the same thing that her sense of security is challenged. Like here we have a rule that when new daughter-in-law comes to the house we have to torture her it won’t feel like she has come to her in-laws. As soon as the bride comes to the house we put thousand and one blames on her starting from her great grand fathers and then will go on..saying that your father did this and he was like this and you are like this and you are like that and no good etc. So when things like this start then the girl’s Centre Heart gets caught up and she develops the insecurity. When this insecurity starts to settle in then she develops this catch and due to which she gets breast cancer. In England and America this disease is way too much because there nor man is stable neither woman is stable. In that imbalanced situation women get this problem because woman in her hearts of heart thinks that they should have a home, their husband should be with them and they live comfortably with their kids. But due to social norms if the situation gets imbalanced then these problems arise. And above that there is this Vishuddhi Chakra that I was telling you about the other day. This Vishuddhi Chakra is constructed or made with with sixteen petals. We have these similar sixteen sub plexuses which are in cervical plexus. Our ears, nose, throat, muscles of our mouth, outside part of our eyes is all governed and taken care by this chakra. Infact when you get sinus problem that is also the result of disturbance in this chakra. It’s two branches go towards our hands as well. That is why sometimes people get their Realization but they don’t get any feeling on their hands. If that happens then you should get it that you got your Realization but the reason you can’t feel vibrations on your hand is because your Vishuddhi Chakra is disturbed or not alright. On Vishuddhi Chakra Shri Vishnu becomes the Virata, Virata. Means collective. When a person does not have collectivity in him, he is very self centered, he just thinks about himself and has no thought towards others or society then also this chakra gets caught up. Second thing is tobacco as we are aware of this thing. (Uncear audio). Tobacco is reincarnation of “Putana” (a female demon who came on the earth when Shri Krishna was born) She is always after Shri Krishna. If we take that in any form then this chakra of ours gets caught up. This is the Virata. Virata, the one we call it as “Akbara” that is why muslims call it “Allah-ho-Akbar”. The Akbar Mohammed spoke about was Shri Krishna. He spoke about Krishna, he is the one who takes the form of Virata. There can’t be any fight of Mohammed and Krishna as one was the guru he was the Viraata. Then you will say then Krishna was greater than him. So tell me in your case, if your eyes are bigger or nose? That your ear is bigger or your mouth? Everyone has their own space their own importance. (Shri Mataji points towards the human chakra chart and describes the Virata). So this Virata..you can imagine this body as Virataa and that the chakras are within the Virata’s body and you all are inside that being as cells. You can call it as Microcosm and Macrocosm. Means that from these small cells this bigger being is created and every cells is a replica of the of the bigger being. When these small cells inside the Virata get this awareness that they are part and parcel of the whole at that moment they get their self realization. You come to the collective consciousness. You can start to feel the chakras say for example of this lady, like where is her attention, where is her Kundalini. Even small children when they get this blessing of the Virata, of the collective consciousness they can tell, like this girl Pragnya and also my granddaughter who is just two years of age but she can tell you which chakras you are caught up on. Because fingers become sensitive to the feeling of vibrations to this new awareness that this new thing enables to guess where are catching and what it is. It is very important to understand the aspect of Virata. When you consume tobacco then you destroy the Virata within you. The Virata which is within you in the form of collective consciousness, you destroy that. This is such a dirty thing, you see. It such a bad thing that you can estimate it. Once a question was asked, “Why did God create such a thing in this world? So the answer is to kill the insects and bugs it was created. Its an insecticide. God didn’t know this stupid human being will start eating an insecticide. He didn’t know he just made it. What should he do? Then they will ask that why alcohol was created, so it was created just for polishing. It’s only a polish, polish. Somewhere its metal polish, wood polish, sometimes if you want to polish diamonds you can use “jinn” for that. Its only a polish, who told you to drink polish? No God told you this, right? Then why did you start drinking? If tomorrow you start eating soil and may be something even worse than that then what to do? What is God’s fault in it? Or your own mind is at fault? If you drink this polish then you won’t have any hangover but you will drink that which is a bad thing. And I don’t get one thing is when one person goes into drink and he comes out in a (unclear text*) way then those who are watching should run but ten more will go inside. Now see what kind of a brain/intelligence a man has. One person just came out and fell into a ditch/sewer lane then others should take a lesson from this and should run away from this thing but rather those ten will also inside and get the same kind of hangover to fall in the same ditch/sewer lane. They are like give us also to drink, then they will write poem on it, articles on it, big (unclear text)….that I started talking about alcohol and eight to ten people are ready to go out. (People start to look around then Shri Mataji says…) They didn’t leave yet, didn’t leave yet. (laughter-everyone laughs with Mother) I am giving a prospect that I took this topic of Alcohol and they are ready to leave. (laughter again) So instead should I be saying that son, go ahead and drink as much as you like? Well, there are gurus who do that. They say dear children go ahead and drink, you can smoke tobacco, live your life to destroy it but just hand your purse/wallet over to me. Just this much arrangement for me. Then I don’t have any objections for you to go for gambling, thefts, mafia and even murder people! Keep your purse here. So this much is our relationship that whatever may happen but from your earnings I should be able to get at least sixteenth part of it. (Shri Mataji laughs sarcastically on these gurus) Here at this point on this chakra Shri Krishna is present in his complete form. A human being comes to this complete form only when he reaches to the state of “Sakshi-swarupa” witness. When this whole world appears to him as a “Leela” a play. Everything is like a play. This can only happen when you become realized. Krishna, apart from this is a great incarnation of diplomacy. Diplomacy of the whole world comes from the lotus feet of Shri Krishna. He was such a diplomat that he has tricked you all for many years. (Unclear text-not sure how to put these words in English) like he gave the theory of “Karma” (action or duties in routine) where you go on doing the duties or karma but leave the fruit of those karmas (work) at the lotus feet of the Divine/God. In second chapter itself Krishna told Arjuna to achieve the highest, to absorb the knowledge, indirectly basically he was told get to the Self-realization. So Arjuna couldn’t understand the fact and he asked Krishna that one side you tell me to be realized and a witness and on the other side you tell me to go for the war. So Shri Krishna said “I got it…” because he is a diplomat. I will explain you so imagine there is a child playing a bullock cart or horse cart and the horse is behind the cart and the father comes out of his hut and tells him to switch and child does not want to change he wants to continue the same way he is playing. So the father says alright. So attention should be on the horse. A human being is still playing with it. From last six thousand years he is doing the same thing. So many people I have met who tell me that Mataji, I only perform my karmas and the fruit I leave at the lotus feet of God. You will find these kind of self satisfied people a lot. It is not possible. This is diplomacy. What is the essence of diplomacy? Let me tell you the essence of diplomacy which is that put the absurd condition in front. A person will fall trap into his own web. Now, see the play of the words here where He said that you do your karma and leave the fruit at the feet of God. Its an impossible situation where this is an absurd condition. Now human being is trying to do it like stupid. All right, keep on doing. Unless and until you are (text-1 detached, text-2- broken) until your “karma” becomes “akarma”, until you become empty from within this can’t be achieved because ego and superego are sitting on your head. Whatever you will do it will be either by the force of ego or by superego. So how can you surrender to God unless you have a connection with God. He infact said:-“Karmanye vadhikaraste phaleshu ma kadachan” (This is 47th sanskrit shloka from second chapter of the Gita, which insists on the importance of doing karma and not getting attached to the result or the fruit as it is in the hands of the Lord.) Krishna said this and that too by putting this absurd condition because its not easy to get human beings to the right understanding. I am watching that even after six thousand years the situation is still the same. But I am a Mother so I will say that son, don’t feel bad but bring that horse to the front. Whether you agree or not I can bring that horse in front and put it right. Forcefully I should bring your horse right because from last six thousand years man is trying hard and for how long he would do it? Then in Bhakti yoga also he has shown great diplomacy as again being a diplomat. What to do, can’t do without diplomacy. He said “Pushapam phalam toyam”(full shloka- Patram pushpam phalam toyamYo me bhaktya prayacchati,Tad Aham bhakty-upahritamAshnami prayaytatmanah”)He said in bhakti yes whatever you will give me- fruits, flowers, leaves anything I will accept that but while giving, I will accept anything that you will give me but notice here you notice the play of his words that it should be given in “Ananya Bhakti” Anaya word is the trick of the play. I have heard in many lectures where people say to do “Ananya Bhakti” Ananya means there is no one else, when you are one with the divine you become Self-realized then you do the bhakti. Has played on the word “Ananya Bhakti” the all the people are still playing. From last six thousand years no one has been able to understand this part which says that Anaya bhakti means when you get your realization first then go in bhakti. When there is no one else in your bhakti that state comes only when you become realized not before that. The same way he described yoga. But he had been compassionate enough, that’s why his name was “Krishna” means the one who does the “Krishi” (means the farming) he did this farming. The meaning of Krishna is the one who did the krishi (farming). He did the farming part and now I am reaping the fruits or say flowers of those who are ready. He did the farming. He was Krishna. It has been six thousand years no problem, but even now he is present in our throat. When he is awakened in our throat then we can spread our hands toward the Virata and can know that in everyone human being I reside. (unclear text) Like there are various types of gems but a same thread runs between or through them the same way when you come on your (Text-1-2 channel/thread/system) the same moment you are also able to go the other’s system as well. This is the thing which is known as collective consciousness. Thanks to the scientists and psychologists, Jung has said that “Next step to awareness is collective consciousness”. (text1- Yung) said that who was the student of Freud. Look at this interesting fact also. He came as a student to Freud and revolted against him and he proved that human beings have collective consciousness in them. To prove his theory they observed the dreams of some people and in that observation he collected this information that everyone who gets a dream gets a (unclear text) symbols and these symbols are the same whether the person is in England, America, India or Timbuktu. Like say for example someone is going to do a murder then he gets a special type of triangle in his life as image and that the point of that triangle would be positioned towards the downward direction. And if someone is going to get murdered (victim) then he will be getting some image of a triangle where the point of that triangle would be positioned toward the upward direction. Like this they have examined hundreds of dreams and proved that there is some kind of power within us which always gives us a balance, warns us in our dreams. Not only this but it also gives us warnings in symbolic way that this is not all right and that one should not do it. Like so he has done many. He has volumes after volumes of his books, if you get a chance you should read it. Jung was a great Sahaja Yogi but very few people recognized him. He struggled a lot in his life and had to face a lot. Every wise had to suffer like that no wise man was ever able to get this many good listeners. This is the first time ever that even gods from heaven are happy to see that so many people are listening to Mother. Otherwise, it was hard to get even person and if another one comes the first one will go away. So its like that puzzle in mathematics which says that on a construction once one person came and left the work half done second one came left the work quarter done then when will the work finish? It will never finish if you will have such kind of people. Sahaja Yoga shares the similar story. Maximum people we get are like that. They will come get their self realization, done. Someone will be cured of his disease, then they are like- “ah, Mother cured us”. Then gone. Those who actually stay and get settled in Sahaja are very few. Very Few. There is no end to knowledge as far as Vishuddhi Chakra is concerned. Once you start getting vibrations and slowly start to (text-1visualize/..) and will understand the greatness of Vishuddhi Chakra. Now in this void we have two great entities as well which we know as “Chandra” (moon) and “Surya” (sun). Moon and Sun are such chakras which reside on these “nadis”(channels) here and here (Shri Mataji probably pointing towards the chakra chart and refer) On these chakras there are two very great personalities who have been appointed. They are complete embodiment of human beings. They are like humans in fact are humans. Out of these one is Buddha and one is Mahavira. But if you listen to the whole history of their lives then these are two sons which Shri Sita had as “Luv and Kush” who is completely in human form. And after they evolved to the level that they are here as Buddha and Mahavira. There also they thought they have reached an extreme of non-violence because the supports of non-violence came in and started protecting even mosquitoes and bugs. Then they again took birth and came at the time of Mohammed. Mohammed was an incarnation of Shri Janaka. (Father of Shri Sita) and his daughter Fatimabai was also incarnation of Shri Sita. Then as their sons as Hassan and Hussain they gave their life in Karbala to prove that no kind of extreme is good. And this thing is truth or not you can see on your vibrations. If I am lying then through your vibrations you would know that not even one single word is a lie here that I am telling you. And their two positions are here on our head (Shri Mataji probably pointing towards the chakra chart to show their position on head). If your left nabhi is catching then realize that the Mahavira is not alright. If Mahavira position is going alright means that you are very rigid kind of a person. Means starting from morning you will be like can’t eat this, can’t drink that, can’t touch that, can’t do that, need a crisp ironed shirt and all that after shower. Being this kind of a stiff personality gets you Left Nabhi. If you get that then you have to take the names of Shri Mahavira. And your Right Nabhi catches when you become very egoistical. In terms of food, I like that…I like small chopped potatoes with methi. ( a dish in India which is made with greens of fenugreek seed and potatoes) then your Nabhi gets caught up/gone. I like such kind of bathroom. Are you “Aga Khan”? You like the palace of “Aga Khan” then what should we do. So acting in such “tanashahi” way (dictatorship) I didn’t like this thing, I went there and I didn’t like their clothes, I don’t like the saree you are wearing, then you are gone. This is Buddha’s work. In this way, egoistical people get their this chakra caught up. And in this way both sun and the moon channel get caught up. Mahavira has went so deep on the left channel that he has described even what all happens in hell how it happens and what kind of snakes and bugs and insects and smell is there and even then these Jaïns have got no wisdom at all. Not at all they have got any sense. If you read that then you will pull your ears and say “Mother we don’t want to go to hell”. Do whatever else but if this is hell we don’t want this. In fashion you do hundreds of things but keep this in mind that you will go to hell. Someone had this joke I will tell then I will finish my lecture today and then there are two more chakras which we will do tomorrow.Some gentleman shared this funny story/joke once. That there was a nice dharmic and peaceful person and when he passed away he was brought to God and from there he was directed towards the heaven. He went there and saw that Yogis were meditating there and he saw here also Sahaja Yogis are meditating and i was meditating on earth also. Everyone is just enjoying the meditation and bhajans and all. There is no fun. It has been same for me so there should be fun also and some change. So he requested God that I have heard a lot about Hell, I would like see their fun and what all they do there so please allow me to go to hell. So God said: “Okay you can go this way”. He goes there and see people are having romance, women are dancing, lot of alcohol and cigarette, drama is going on, songs, music, dirty and vulgar conversations are going on and all. Like the scene you have in discotheque. He thought okay yea, this looks good to me. I can enjoy here…So he stood there and someone asked so what are doing here? He replied: ‘I wanted to come to Hell and God has send me here, so I am here to enjoy.” They said: “All right, you take this way and go from that door over there.” So he went. As soon as he opened the door he saw people being fried in big, big pots, some were hanging upside down, someone’s throat was being slit, somewhere very weird kind of creatures were crawling upon men and eating them up and people were standing like (unclear text). He got a fright of his life and came out running. He asked what is all that inside? Here you all are enjoying and inside is devastating. They said this is our publicity department of hell. [Shri Mataji laugh]So get allured with this publicity department. I am telling you, if you don’t trust me read Mahavira, if I am lying. He has explained about all seven kinds of hell. So don’t go the way to hell my child. Now you imagine, i think about it and I feel how should I talk to my children about it. So if a Mother knows what hell is and she knows about it she would hold her kids tight and would shout that don’t go that way of hell. She can stay hungry and would do anything to stop her kids from going there. You can get this understanding only from those who know about it. I know about it and have seen it that why I am telling you not to go by their publicity department and shouting and requesting you to walk on the right path. By saying this I end my lecture for today its eight-o-clock now and tomorrow we will talk about the next two chakras and will have conversation on Kundalini awakening and what happens with that also about conscious mind and all. So you all come again tomorrow and take notes of my lecture, read it, understand it, and get realized. For Kundalini awakening experience and meditation come in the morning as I work on that part during the day because we don’t have time for that now. Not only that but in morning if I will also cure if someone needs that but for now lecture went on for really long. In fact, I wasn’t expecting that but vibrations were very strong. Those who have got cool vibrations on their hands have got their realization. But one has to get established in it, get immersed in it, it is a very subtle happening. For now you are not that subtle. Please note this thing inside the hearts of your hearts that unless and until you know the value of something you can’t desire to attain it. I have made this thing very simple by working hard on it but still you would need to work hard on yourself and make your instrument alright. I can only start your car. With great joy I share with you that with the help of Hindi department after great analysis and work of seven years a book has been printed and released in hindi language. You all should get that book, take home and read it. You will get a lot of knowledge that will help you. But only book can’t help you either as experience is must. If you haven’t got the experience then everything is a waste. (Seems like some asked Shri Mataji about the price of the book and in response she says) No no there has to be some price. One rupee each? Whatever your shraddha is…Must not be less than a rupee, right? (everyone laughs) No, you should definitely have some price, otherwise I have seen human nature that if you just give them like that then they use it for (unclear) car, its good. Let’s use it. So it shouldn’t be treated like that. It has a great importance. This photo here has got vibrations, that’s why keep it in a proper place and use it in a proper way. From the picture itself thousands have got their self realization in western countries and have got rid of their diseases. That’s why don’t insult the photograph. I am telling you in advance. I am not as simple as I appear. A lot of personalities are sitting within me so don’t try to do anything wrong. One is Shri Hanumana who is standing right there on the door, when you are leaving he will give you all one “paapach”. Go home straight forward, humbly and acting respectfully towards the photograph. I am telling you this. This is the photograph. You all can get it. One rupee is not much anyone. Otherwise if we start distributing for free then its done. Some are standing outside who can get it from there. [translation version 2] I have told you about Nabhi Chakra and Void (Bhavasagar). This Void contains our Guru tattwa and Guru tattwa establishes Dharma within us. These 10 petals shown here establishes the Dharma within us. Humans need to have ten Dharmas within them otherwise they are not humans. Even if they have nine dharmas established, still somewhat they are lacking. And by Dharma, I absolutely do not mean Christians, Hindus, Muslims, etc. But, if humans do not take care of the 10 dharmas of humanity within them, then they become demons. This Guru tattwa has taken several births on this planet. Specifically, there have been 10 main births. Raja Janak, Nanak, Muhammad Saab, etc. and lastly Sainath of Shirdi took birth. We tie these tattwas because even inside of us, all those great personalities who have taken births for our evolution are also tied inside of us. Humans are also tied to several things. It is very subtle. Like gods these gurus are present in our void. Now, first & foremost, they have told not to drink. They weren’t bit by some mad dog, nor were they fighting elections, neither did they have other businesses that due to competition, they told drinking was bad. They told, son, do not drink, do not smoke, don’t take any brew, because, in our stomach resides our Chitta (attention), specifically, in our liver. They told not to drink so that you do not bring impurities into your stomach and ruin your attention. Drinking alcohol drowns your consciousness. Now, people got a different meaning of this. To take care of their stomachs, they put too much attention on food. They started not eating garlic, onions, this, that, etc. etc. Now, Muhammad Saab (Sahab) used to eat garlic & onion. Even Nanak used to eat even ghost (goat or lamb) etc. everything. Meaning, we are not to put too much attention on eating & drinking. We should not waste our attention on these things. What to eat in the morning, what to eat in the evening, what to eat now, what to eat tomorrow, etc. I went to Paris. I was astonished at the people there. I thought no one in the world is more foody than them. If they call you for lunch, for more than an hour it is investigated what to order. This specification, that specification. Now, I find all the taste same. They’ll make us work so hard to decide on the food menu, for an hour, and they’ll keep drinking alcohol for an hour, then god knows what they like so much about it. Afterwards, they’ll discuss each item, each ingredient in so much details. They give very specific orders. Hence, the waiters there are considered experts. They’ll get exactly what you tell them. So much specifications, and finally the taste is of no use. One hour a person has wasted in this – what to order. Today, I want this, tomorrow that, day after this!! Now, in our country (India), there is this disease of fasting. Now even before fasting, people start thinking what kind of ‘food’ should we prepare. Only particular type of flour should be used, etc. Now lets go and shop for that. We have this thing about Friday – Goddess Santoshi Ma’s fast. We must never do fasting on that day. Who told to fast on the very day she was born. Now, these affairs of the Brahmins, what to say. Some are sitting here, they’ll break my head! (lauging) What common sense is this to fast on someone’s birthday. The day Shri Ganesh, Santoshi Ma are born, they say to fast, not eat sour food. The thing she likes, they say don’t eat that. What sense is this! This not going to make them happy. Surely, the negative tantriks do these things, whatever mother doesn’t like, do that. I will say simply, I don’t like any fasting done by my children. Don’t fast. If you don’t feel like eating someday, that’s allright. Just eat fruits. But no need for anyone to fast in Sahaja Yoga. I don’t need TB patients here. They make such sickly pictures of Christ, like some TB patient. Thin arms, legs. How can Christ be like this. Think a bit. How can a great godly person look like that. He was a shining, bright, flower like, heartfelt person. He could take down 10 people on his own. Now, these evil French artists, have made Christ’s depiction like this. Atleast, in our country (India), you’ll never see such a depiction of Ramchandra ji (Shri Rama). Shri Rama & Sita ji will be healthy, round figured and beautiful. Not like these sickly depictions of Christ. How can sickly people help others. No need for these dramas. Now, Gandhiji did Satyagraha for all of us. You all do not need to fast. Mother doesn’t get happy by all this. Now this does not mean keep eating (laughing). Humans go to extremes. They’ll say Mother told to eat. Next you see, they are coming with such huge bellies. Now, they’ll say, Mother please give treatment for my stomach. Don’t eat too much or too less. Be in the middle. Be prudent. In general, don’t put much thought to food. Simple, vibrated, good food, made by Griha Lakshmi, i.e. dharmic food should be eaten. I am not taking about veg and non veg. Now here also, people have gone to such extremes. Jains have done such extremism of vegetarianism that I don’t know what explanation to give now. They keep a brahmin in one room and fill it with insects. The insects bite the brahmin and the brahmin gets good money for this. Now, is this vegetarianism. Am I to give realization to insects or chicken? I have to give realization to humans. What will you do saving chickens! No need for such charity. Do normal good behavior. Now, there are even more dangerous situations. Like in Denmark, there was a Lamha. He said, I only walk on marble. I am vegetarian, you all have to be vegetarian. Now there aren’t many vegetables available in Demark. Other than few like potatoes, there aren’t much options. They all become unhealthy & sickly. And the Lamha ji kept eating a lot. I asked, what did he tell you about sex. Lamha ji told them, that’s your culture, do whatever you want. Finally, two girls came from there and told me, we got pregnant. This is their vegetarianism. Now, whenever you remove a person from their normal diet, they become weak. Then, it gets easier to put bhoots in them. Ram Chandra ji was a Kshatriya. He used to eat everything. For whom did he kill the deer. Now, the limits that Jains have done, they say Krishna is not god. Why? Beacause, he killed Rakshasas. Now, if Shri Krishna doesn’t destroy Rakshas, who will. Will these Jains do it! Should we not destroy Rakshasas. Is that violence! Violence also has dharma. The destruction which is for the good, have to be done. Anger is also necessary. If you do not get angry, sometimes, bhoots don’t go. We have to get angry and say – go away. Then they run off. If it understands anger only, we must get angry. If we say to bhoots – ‘please leave his body, I’m totally non violent, please go’, (laughing), the bhoot will come and sit on you too. Where scolding is necessary, it has to be done. Earlier, people used to beat with broomsticks. No need to do that. But, sometimes you have to scold. You have to scold and say ‘go away, if you don’t go away, I’ll curse you’, then they run off. It’s worth observing these things (how these bhoots behave). Now this saying ‘Don’t get angry’ is very interesting. In Mumbai, there was a program. Many people were there. This bhoot ridden person came to me. Got very angry. Tore off my books. Threw them at me. Gave me ten slangs. Some Sahaja Yogis present there got angry. They said you cannot speak to Mother like this. He says, you are Yogis, you should not get angry, you sit quietly. I told him off. Give him two slaps now. If necessary, call the police. He immediately ran off. Gone are the days when saints were tortured. Now, beware, if anyone tries to harm sadhus & saints, they will be destroyed. All evil eyes towards sadhus & saints will be made blind. Otherwise, they’ll not learn. Who gave humans the right to trick saints all the time. This is a new era. Enough is enough. All secrets and evil will be removed. All adharmics will be punished. No one has the right to trick sadhus and saints anymore. Earlier, it was said, you’ll get bad karma if you trick saints. Now, that bad karma needs to be visible that instant. We have tricked saints too much. This is due to adharma. When there is adharma in the Nabhi, when Nabhi is totally filled with adharma, then Shri Vishnu ji takes incarnation. He has come in many forms. He has come even in female form. He comes for the protection of Sadhus & Saints. And at that time, Shri Durga ji, Jagadamba, comes to the center heart. She has taken several births. It is said she took 1000 births. She has taken several partial incarnations as well. And she protects the tattwa after coming to earth. She protects the qualities of the tattwa. After that protection, when humans rise to the center heart, it is the place of Jagadamba; Jagadamba then resides in your heart. Hearth Charkra is in between. Heart is on the left. That is Shri Shiva’s place. That which is called the spirit, resides there. If anyone says, I got a heart attack, then I tell him to ask for forgiveness from God Almighty. You tell him – ‘O Ocean of forgiveness, please forgive me. Whatever mistakes I have committed, by any means, please forgive me. Kara-charana kṛitam vā kāya-jam karma-jam vā (Please forgive all our wrong deeds that have been done by our hands or feet, or created by the body), Shravana nayana-jam vā mānasam v’āparādham (By our ears or our eyes, with our minds or through our mistakes.) Vihitam-avihitam vā sarvam-etat kshamasva (For all that has been done or left undone, please forgive us.) Jaya jaya Karun’ābdhe Shrī Mahā-deva Shambho (Victory to You, again and again! O ocean of compassion, O great and benificent God!)’ This is the mantra. If his heart doesn’t get allright, I am ready to lose whatever you say. But, the person must be a realized soul because he has developed the connection with God Almighty. And if he (realized soul) asks for forgiveness, he is forgiven because Shri Shiva is ‘Bhole Shankar’ (Innocent). But, connection must be there. On the contrary, if you are Shri Shiva’s devotee, you’ll get heart attack. Yes, absolutely. Why? Because, without his permission, … (you are taking his name) If you have to meet the prime minister, you have to write so many letters to so many people. But Shivji, Shivji is the grand father of the grand father (huge personality). He is a very big deal. His name should never be taken casually. See, who all sit with him. You will be reprimanded by the Ganas if you take Shri Shiva’s name carelessly. Without realization, never ever take Shivji’s name. After realization, with extreme humility, your head bowed, asking for forgiveness, you should take Shri Shiva’s name. A lot of humility is required, if you wish to take Shri Shiva’s name. And he likes only humility and because of this humility even several big Rakshasas have got him. You have to be very humble. Always accept your faults and with humility be at the feet of Shri Shiva. This makes him happy. (scolds a Yogi in Marathi for clicking pictures. Says no special ‘roop’ is going to come while giving lecture. Not to disturb) OK, now Shri Shiva’s place is left heart. He resides as the image of God (Spirit). Keeps burning like a luminous flame. He knows everything, whatever is happening or not happening within you, like a field expert. Don’t make any mistakes in front of this Lord. And if you make a mistake, definitely ask for forgiveness otherwise instantaneously your heart will get caught. Remember your mistakes, if you can’t remember just say ‘Lord, forgive me for any mistakes I made.’ Without him forgiving, heart cannot clear. Any kind of extreme behavior annoys him. That is why, I say not to do Hatha Yoga. Definitely, you’ll get heart attack. Only asanas is not Hatha Yoga. There are six things in this. There has to be rules. Only brahmacharis (celibate) should do Hatha Yoga, that too in jungles, before the age of 25 Hatha Yoga practices should be completed under a guru. You should commit what you do to the Lord. Nowhere it is written in Patanjali that a householder should do Hatha Yoga practices. Nowhere. Among that, Pranayam, Vyayayam, Asanas, etc. are very small part. Among Asanas also you should know, which chakras have problems and accordingly what Asanas you should do. Now, suppose you have stomach upset and you are doing Asana for the throat. Throat will be damaged along with stomach. There is science behind what to do where, which mantra to be taken where. If your heart is caught and you are doing bhakti of Shri Vishnu, what is the use! One – your Vishuddhi will get caught because without permission you are taking mantras, Two – Shri Shiva will be upset, Three – you are taking Shri Vishnu’s name, hence you’ll upset your stomach as well. You’ll get bed ridden or will have to be hospitalized. Then you’ll say, we are so Dharmic, we do so many rituals every day and we are in the hospital. Here, the fault is of your ignorance. Biggest thing is, the Almighty forgives all of these, everything can be forgiven if you are determined about one thing – intense reverence. Respect/reverence is a huge thing. If you have innocent faith and respect towards God Almighty, there is no questioning, you will find God sometime or the other. And even if he does any mistakes, it can be forgiven. Whenever he remembers God he becomes kshamya (excusable) because God knows his devotion but nowadays, there are no such devotees, people are more into fashion. So, the person becomes the opposite of a devotee. Whatever one tries to do, opposite outcome occurs. For example, I told you about Hare Rama Hare Krishna people who get throat cancer. So, many of them have come to me. I told them instead of an ashram, you people open a cancer hospital. Now, they wonder why we are getting cancer as we are praising Rama and Krishna ( Hare Rama Hare Krishna ). They should understand that without permission they are taking Krishna’s name, they should take his permission first. These people from morning to evening started reciting his name. Krishna isn’t their servant but then they only understand when they get cancer and then they get to Mother cures cancer and then they come to me. You will be surprised that if I ask anything from these people they still go on reciting those words (Hare Rama, Hare Krishna). So, by doing such stupidity one can suffer so much. Now, you can take the power of electricity if you put your finger into it you will get a shock, the same way the highest power of God is flowing. Disrespect or ignorance towards that power can be dangerous and that is why I am going to tell you each and everything out this shakti, nothing I am going to hide. I will tell you about this param shakti ( Power of God ) to you then don’t say that I didn’t tell you. You need to understand it. Now, I told you that this chakra is of Shri Rama on the right side and he was a maryada purushotama (the supreme among men upholding the auspicious/righteous boundaries). He is sitting on Rajoguna ( pingala nadi – right channel) . Whatever I say is always so little because there is too much to tell about him. But he represents fatherhood as he is the father. So, whenever the fatherhood is challenged then this also gets disturbed. Especially, when a man runs after women and doesn’t respect his wife they get a catch here. They get Asthma. If your right side is catching then you are against Shri Rama who was devoted to his wife. Either you don’t get married but the time you get married you are excited but after marriage if you are not dharmic ( righteous ) and you feel that your wife is the most horrible woman, however your wife is she is the Lakshmi and you should accept her as your Laksmi swaroopa (embodiment ). This is the quality of Shri Rama – being devoted towards his wife. If you don’t get along with your wife at all then in Sahaja Yoga they can get better. You can show them the right path but you cannot disrespect them, you cannot disrespect the essence of wifehood. If you disrespect them then the virtues of Shri Rama you don’t get. In the same way, Shri Rama was an ideal king and once a king or ruler isn’t ideal then this right heart gets caught up. He was like a father who is a king and a king should be in his maryada ( limits or auspicious boundaries ). So now if you ask what happens when a woman becomes adulterous then her left side catches (where Mahakali principle resides ). When her center heart catches then she can get breast cancer. She feels her sense of security has been affected. The solution is to get a sense of security. Many women get Asthma or heartbeat problems; it means their sense of security is affected. Here in India, when a bride comes to her in-laws house, unless and until she isn’t totally worked up she is not a bride. There will be thousands of rules for her and they start accusing her of what her parents and family have done. The woman can get a catch of center heart where her sense of security is. In England and in America, this problem is to a great extent because no man or woman are answerable. In rule less system, women get this disease quite often. A woman in her being feels she should have her own husband, children and a good household but if that doesn’t happen due to societal conditionings, then this problem arises, her sense of security is affected. Above this is Vishuddhi Chakra, it is a very important chakra. This Vishuddhi chakra is made of 16 petals and these are in our cervical plexus. This controls throat, nose, part of eyes, facial muscles, ears and even the problem of the sinus glands which you get due to imbalance of this Vishuddhi chakra. It’s two branches go towards our hands. Therefore, sometimes people get their self realization but don’t feel vibrations due to imbalance of this Vishuddhi chakra. On Vishuddhi chakra, Shri Vishnu becomes Virata, meaning collective. When human being is not collective but is self centered, he doesn’t think of the society or others then this chakra catches. Now, another thing is tobacco in any form taken then this chakra catches. Tobacco is the avatar of Puthana (female demon) who is always after Shri Krishna. Virata who we call as Akbar, that is why muslims say “ Allah Ho Akbar “. The Akbar prophet Mohammad spoke about was Shri Krishna. Prophet Mohammad and Shri Krishna can never be separate because prophet Mohammad was the Guru principle and Shri Krishna is Virata principle. Then you will say one is greater but is the ear bigger or nose? Every deity has its own working and position and all are important. You can see this subtle system chart, it represents Virata and Virata has the same chakras and channels and you all represent each cell within him. You can say it as microcosm and macrocosm. From all these small – small cells, a big cell is made. When these small cells get enlightened who is an image of this big cell that is the Virata, then realization is done. Then you are part of a collective consciousness. You can feel another person can tell which chakra is catching till where the Kundalini has risen in another person. Even small children when they get realization can tell, for example, my granddaughter PrAgnya, who is 2 years old can also tell what chakras you are catching because you can feel it in your fingertips, a new awareness is established. One needs to understand the Virata principle. When you eat tobacco you end this Virata principle within you. So, you tell how horrible this tobacco is. Now one can ask why God has made tobacco ? It is made to kill pests – it is an insecticide but God didn’t know that foolish human beings will start consuming it. Now, one can ask why God made alcohol ? It is made for polishing, for example, wood polishing, and if you want to polish diamonds you can do so with gin. Who told you to consume a polish ? God didn’t tell you right ? Then why did you start drinking it? If tomorrow you start eating mud or start doing worse then what can I say ? What is God’s fault in this ? It is the mind’s fault. If you don’t drink this polish you can never be intoxicated. Another thing I don’t understand is that, if one person drinks and is intoxicated and starts shouting then others should see this and run away from that person instead 10 more people go into it. I don’t know what brain human beings have! One man came and fell into gutters, humans should run away seeing this but instead they go there and drink. Then they write poems and stories. Once I started talking against alcohol, 8-10 people got up and started leaving the hall. Not now.. not now.. [laughter] but sometime ago. So, shall I say beta ( child ) drink a lot? Of course, There are many false gurus who will tell you to go ahead and drink and take tobacco and finish your life but just give your wallet to me. They don’t care if you murder people or rob people or do smuggling but they just want your wallet. Their and their guru’s relationship is just that his earning’s 1/16th part should go to the guru. On Vishuddhi, Shri Krishna is in his complete form. Humans also get to that complete form when he reaches to witness state. The whole world seems to be like a drama to him. This can only happen when you are realized. Krishna is also an avatar of diplomacy. Whole world’s diplomacy comes out of his lotus feet. He was such a big diplomat that he fooled you since so many years because he knew that if spoken straightforwardly; they are in any case going to kill (hit) Mataji; but he is not a Mother(Mataji); he is Father figure (pitaji) and he said beta ( child ) keep on going on like this. If you keep on going like this it is fine. When you bang your head then you will come to the right direction. The way he spoke about karma, that you do your karma without expectation or you leave results to God. In the second chapter of Gita he told Arjuna that you should get your self realization. So, Arjuna said, on one side you are telling me to get self realization and on one side you are telling me to participate in war ? So, he said okay I understood. So, Krishna is a diplomat. So, you can think of it as, for instance, there is a child and he is standing with a bullock cart and the horse is at the back. So, his father came out of his hut and told him to move the horse in the front but the boy said no I will keep it here. The father said ok but keep your attention on the horse. Now, the boy is keeping the horses at the back and it has been 6 thousand years the horses are still there. Same way humans come and say Mother I do my karma but the result I leave it to God but it is not possible for you to do that. This is the diplomacy. I will tell you the principle of the diplomacy that put absurd conditions on the person and then the person will get into his own circumstance. Just see the drama of his ( Shri Krishna ) words that keep on doing karmas and leave it to God. It is not possible! Now human beings keep on going like this but till the time your karma doesn’t become Akarma it is not possible because you have ego and superego. Whatever you will do, either you will do with ego or superego then how will you surrender it to God until and unless you don’t have the connection ( union ) with God till then how is it possible? He has just put you in an absurd situation because humans cannot understand otherwise. It has been 6 thousand years and humans are still the same but I am a Mother and I say child don’t feel bad but put your horse in front. Even if you feel bad I can bring the horse and put it in front (only then will the cart move). I will bring it forcibly because you have been trying for 6 thousand years and still you are trying. Again in bhakti yoga, he has again shown great diplomacy. He said, whatever you give me, a flower or a fruit, see the whole play of his words, I will accept the offering but it should be ananya bhakti. Ananya means when there is no other! It is when you become one with God, when you get your self realization. Just by one word ‘Ananya’ he played you. It has been 6 thousand years humans could not understand it. It means first get your self realization and then do your bhakti (devotion). When there is no other, this state you only achieve when you get your self realization. Having said that, he (Shri Krishna) has been very gracious. He did the (Krishi) cultivation. That is why his name was Krishna, he did his krishi (cultivation). Krishna means the one who sows. He is the one who sowed (the seeds), now I am the one who is reaping them…lifting up all the flowers and fruits that have emerged, but He is the one who sowed the seeds. He was here 6000 years ago, still He is situated in our throat. When He awakens in the throat, we can spread our hands towards the Virata and then we can know that I am present in each and every human being. Just like there are many gems but through it only one thread runs, just like that when you come on your own thread then you are able to go on other peoples’ (common) thread as well. This is what is known as the collective consciousness. And there is a lot of gratitude we owe to scientists and psychologists like Jung, who has said that the next step to awareness is collective consciousness. In human beings, collective consciousness, samuhik chetna, will be established…this is what Jung has said. Jung came as the disciple of Freud who was like a Rakshasa. Look at how incredible that is as well, he came as the disciple of Freud, revolted against him and proved that there is collective consciousness in human beings and he also gave many proofs for it by looking at many people’s dreams. And through the dreams he was able to find out that in each dream there are certain symbols that appear. And they appear in every person in the same way, whether that person be in England or America or India or Timbuktu. Take for example a person who is going to murder someone. Then in front of him a unique symbol of a triangle always keeps appearing in his life and it (the peak of the triangle) is pointed downwards. And if someone is about to get murdered, then the triangle appears pointed upward. He found out about thousands of dreams and through that he proved that within us there is a power that always tries to bring moderation in us, and through symbols it gives us warnings that this is a wrong thing, don’t do it. He’s analyzed many like these, and there are volumes on volumes he has written. You should read them and learn. Jung is a very great Sahaja Yogi and in his life, he had a lot of struggles. Very few people agreed with him and he had a lot of disasters looming on him. Every benevolent person had to encounter such disasters. No benevolent man actually even got this much recognition. This is the first time even the deities are happy that so many people are listening to what Mother is saying. Before even one man was hard to find. If you used to find one, then once you found another, one of them used to run away. It’s like that math problem where the question goes… one man comes to work, does half of it and then leaves. Then another man comes, he does one-fourth of the work, then leaves. So when will the work finish? Will it even ever get done or not? If you bring such runaways, then the work will never get done. This is like Sahaja yoga, mostly all these people who always run away show up. If their diseases get fixed, then well and good. “Yes Mother has fixed us up, now we are done.” There are very few, very few that show up who establish beyond that point. Whatever is spoken about the vishuddhi is not enough, there is no end to it. When the vibrations start coming to you, you’ll slowly begin to realize more about the Vishuddhi and you’ll understand the significance of it. In the bhavasagar (Void), there are two other beings who are very important who we can know and understand as Chandra and Surya. They are such chakras that are settled on these two nadis (this and this…). On top of these chakras, two very huge personalities have been placed. They are the embodiment of human beings, they are human beings. One of them is Buddha, the other is Mahavira. But, if you listen to their entire history then they are Sita ji’s sons, Luv and Kush, who are just humans. And after that, they kept climbing higher and higher and reached a point where they became Buddha and Mahavira. Even then they thought they reached an extreme of non-violence because their non-violent followers and supporters started saving mosquitoes and beetles in the name of non-violence. Then they had to incarnate with Mohamed Sahib, because Mohamed Sahib was himself the incarnation of Shri Janaka. And his daughter, Shri Fatima, was herself Shri Sita, the Adi Shakti. And they (Buddha and Mahavira) arrived as Shri Fatima’s sons Hasan and Husein and sacrificed their lives at the battle of Karbala. To prove this that no extreme is right. And you can check this is true or not depending on your vibrations. If I am lying then your vibrations will tell you so. Not a single alphabet that I am speaking to you is a lie. Both their places are here on our head. When your left nabhi catches, then know that Shri Mahavira’s place is spoiled. And when Shri Mahavira’s place is ruined, it means that you are a very stubborn person. “I don’t want to eat this, I don’t want to eat that, I don’t want to touch that, I don’t want to do that”….shower right in the morning and only wear the clothes that are ironed. Being a stiff person like this will make your left nabhi catch and for that, then you have to take the name of Shri Mahavira. For right nabhi, it catches when you become too egotistical. For example, in the matter of food you say things like “I only like this, I only like vegetables prepared with small potatoes with cut up fenugreek leaves inside it.” Then your nabhi catches. “I only like the bathroom to be this way”. I mean, are you Aga Khan? You like Aga Khan’s palace so what can we do about that? To do this where you say things like “I did not like this thing. I went there and I did not like their clothes. You wore this saree and I did not like it” then you are gone. This is the state of the Buddha principle. This is how egotistical people catch here (ego). Like this, the nadis of Moon and Sun get caught up. Shri Mahavira did the work on the moon channel. He went into Hell and figured out what happens there, what types of 7 hells are there, the types of critters there are and how it stinks up…he has described that completely. However, even then the Jains don’t have any sense, no sense entered into them. If you ever read what he wrote, you will hold your ears and say ”Mother, we do not want to go to hell. If this is hell then we don’t want it”. In fashion, you end up doing thousands of things but know that you will end up going to hell. Right now someone told a good joke, and I’ll tell you that and wrap up my lecture. There are two other chakras left and we will talk about those tomorrow. One joke someone told was that there was a man who was very dharmic and sattvik (pure), a poor man who lived a very peaceful life. And when he went to heaven he saw that there are many Sahaja Yogis there doing dhyan (meditation). So the man said, I lived a life just like this on earth and now the same thing is here in heaven. I thought it would be a lot of fun in heaven but here everyone is only just meditating. There should be something else beyond this. So he told God, “God I want to go to hell and see what type of thing hell is so I know what it is like.” So God said “Okay son, feel free to go using this way”. So when he got to hell, he saw there is unrestrained merrymaking happening, women are dancing, music is playing, people are talking in a dirty manner, alcohol and cigarettes are going around. Just like here it happens, what are they called? I am forgetting [audience: discotheque] discotheque yes! He saw discotheques are open there so he exclaimed “wow, yesI am finally here!” So the people there asked him, “why are you standing here?” He said “I wanted to go to hell so God has sent me here.” The other person said” okay here is the door, go in through that.” The moment the door opened up, he saw people being cooked in vessels, people getting burned, being hung upside down, their necks being cut, weird critters crawling over them and eating them. He came running out and said, “what is this? You guys are doing all that outside but inside this is happening”. The man said, “what is outside is the publicity department of hell.” [laughter] So don’t get carried away by the publicity department, I am telling you. If you don’t believe me then you can read what Mahavira has written. If you think I am lying and you don’t believe me, then read it and see for yourself what the 7 hells are like. So don’t go towards hell, my dear. It is very horrible. I keep thinking and thinking how do I even talk about this, these are my children. Think about this, if a mother knows what hell is like then she will shout and scream and keep holding on to her child and say “my child, don’t go there”. She will even die hungry but will keep telling you that “no matter what happens, don’t go there because I know what it is like.” And you can only understand this from the one who knows. Why I keep shouting and screaming and pleading again and again that my children keep on the right path because I have seen hell, don’t get carried away by its publicity department. With this said, I will conclude today’s lecture because it is 8 pm and it’s late. Tomorrow we will talk about the other two chakras and general talks around what happens from the Kundalini awakening and the conscious mind. Tomorrow come and note all the lectures, think over it and understand it and establish your realization. I do the work of Kundalini awakening in the morning, for realization and meditation you should come in the morning. Because right now there is no time for it. Not only this, in the morning if there is something of yours to cure, I will do that as well. But for now, the lecture has become quite long, I was not expecting that but there were so many vibrations. Those who are feeling cool, they should know they have got their realization. But this needs to be established and imbibed. This is a very subtle truth however you are not so subtle yet. Please keep this in your heart and know that nothing can be obtained till you start valuing it. I have made this entire thing very easy and straightforward after working on it quite a lot. Even then, it can be twisted if you yourself are a twisted person. Fix yourself and fix your instrument. I can only turn on your car. It is a great moment of happiness that after seven years, through the aid of hindi speakers, a small book in Hindi was published. This book has now arrived, please take this book and take it home, read it and understand it. You will know a lot through it. But just through a book it wont work out, you have to experience it. If you haven’t experienced it, it’s all waste for you. No no the book definitely has a price. The price is 1 rupee. Keep the price of the book as 1 rupee. Whatever faith you have, it won’t be less than 1 rupee right? 1 rupee. [laughter] You have to charge something for it. The reason for this is human beings’ behaviour is such that if you just give it to them for free, they will think this to be as good as garbage. This has a lot of value, there are a lot of vibrations coming from the photograph. Keep it in a respectful place and use it with respect. Due to this photo, thousands have gotten their realization and have received wholesome health and a disease free state. So don’t dishonour this photograph, I am telling you this right now. I may look very naive but I am not. And there are many (deities) sitting inside of Me, who are sitting here and watching you. That’s why you should not do anything wrong. Hanuman ji is standing at the door, so if you misbehave he will give you a nice hit. That’s why you should leave with politeness and with peace. This is the photo, everyone should come and get it. It is only one rupee, and that is not a lot for anyone so come get it. If we start distributing it for free then it may be so…(incoherent) [end]

2/1/1978

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1978-02-01, Brahmajana: Mooladhara to Vishuddhi - Agnya and Sahasrara Chakras, Delhi Public Program, Brahama Ka Gyan (Knowledge of Brahm), 1st February 1978 Delhi, Translation Hindi to English I have already told you about some of the chakras. I will tell you beyond this today. As I said earlier the name of the first chakra is Mooladhara. This is located below and consists of four petals. And because this is in a subtle form, the gross expression of this is the Pelvic plexus. In this are the purest of the pure feet of Lord Ganesha. And above this, the triangular form that you see here resides the kundalini and this is a very important point that lord Ganesha is below and kundalini is above him. This is a very important point to understand. There is a lot of confusion over this. To say that Ganesha in this chakra that is connected to sex or completely opposite to do all the work by staying away from sex, this is a way to god. These two twisted forms of thought get encouraged. Sex has no connection with your evolution. But you also do not need to run away from sex in Sahaja yoga. This is another aspect of daily existence but not so important as people think. It's an expression of your domestic life between a man and a woman. It should be allowed between a husband and wife and one should adopt purity with anyone else. Beyond that, I told you that Swadishthan chakra revolves around the void and moves around like a leaf of a lotus. This is the same void that establishes all the creation including the constellations. What we call the earth element is the work of Swadishthan. Whenever human beings do any kind of creative work, they use this chakra. This chakra has the powers of Shri Bramha and Saraswati. That day I told you that Shri Brahma took birth only once in this world. Only once. There was a reason behind this. And you will be surprised to know that Shri Hazrat Ali who was the son in law of Prophet Mohamed was the only incarnation of Shri Brahma on earth. Only once. This is remarkable. People will not believe this but you can check on vibrations and you will realize that I’m telling the truth. Therefore, people who have problems with the liver or are suffering from diabetes, because of imbalances the people who are right-sided and have problems, all such problems can be cured by taking the name of Shri Hazrat Ali. If Muslims accept this, you will not and if you accept Krishna they will not. We need to ascend in this world. Although all such people are residing inside the body of Virat. They are all connected. Because Hazrat Ali was the son in law of Prophet Mohamed and Prophet Mohamed was the incarnation of King Janaka (from Ramayana). His sons Hasan and Husain who were killed in the battle of Karbala were no one else but Sitaji's sons (from Ramayana) Luv and Kush who were later incarnated as Mahavir and Buddha. Now if I'm speaking the truth or not you can find out from the experiment of Sahaja Yoga. To outrightly reject anything in Sahaja yoga is also not correct Now you are realized. You never felt vibrations. You didn't even know what vibrations are what the knowledge of Brahm is? Just this, is knowledge. This knowledge was not told until today because each incarnation was born at different places with a particular aspect. The time has come when the total and complete and integrated knowledge be told and enlightened. If this is the truth or not, you can know only after realization, not before. And in this country, there are still thousands who say that they do not believe in anything called realization. They think that God has abandoned the world towards destruction. This is a big allegation on god. The one who created this world does worry about it! There should be some meaning, some meaning, otherwise what is the meaning of this creation. But the human being is so intelligent that he thinks very convincingly about god that 'this cannot be'. 'I have full faith', 'I believe'. How did you believe it? How did you come to know about this? They will not utter a word on this. This is a big ego of human beings. If you are not humble in Sahaja Yoga then you have not understood this as yet. We still should know a lot, achieve a lot. Even after achieving you should verify everything using vibrations. The person who has no depth looks at Sahaja yoga superficially and you do not have to know Sahaja yoga superficially. After this, I told you about the nabhi chakra. You know in brief that in nabhi chakra reside the evolutionary forces, that lead to our evolution. Due to which we became human beings from amoeba. The way we see in chemistry, the way periodic laws are set up. That is all because of this evolutionary power. Everything has its dharma established. Like carbon has a valency of four. Hydrogen has its valency and so has oxygen. It is a complete chart. It is already beautifully shown in a chart. How it is repeated in the chart. Something to marvel. All this is due to the law of dharma and the forces of evolution. These atomic laws and their changes then manifest in the evolution of dharma. You people are made of elements. This position of the dharma of these elements slowly changes and that's why you evolve, and today you are humans. Now with just one more step, you will reach in that state that we call self-realized. But what is being self-realized? I will tell this at the end of this lecture. The third one is the chakra which we call the heart chakra, which is on this side, where shiva resides, where the personification of the soul in the form of Shri Sada shiva resides, although he is above the forehead (in Sahasrara). Although this being his seat, like Delhi being the seat, they keep searching everywhere. Likewise, although the seat is here (in Sahasrara), the chakra or lets us say the reflection as a soul is located in the heart. This soul keeps coming outside the body and keeps searching, looking everywhere and keeps up to date on everything. This soul that Shri Krishna described as KshetrAgnya(knowledgable), this is the one who is the knower of the area (kshetra) that resides in our hearts. This, that humans know as the all-pervading is a representative of that power. In the centre, the chakra is called the central heart that runs the cardiac plexus. In the heart, chakra resides Jagdamba that is the place of goddess Durga. We have described her in one thousand words. But she has incarnated on many other occasions. She comes here in the void and provides comfort to her devotees (bhaktas). She puts energy into them. She took so many incarnations to provide protection to her bhaktas and to give them the energy so they can fight the cunning. After this on this side, it is not shown here but here too is a place on the right side there is a chakra. This chakra as you can see is on the right side on the Pingala channel here the limit (principle) of this chakra is shown and this is the place of Maryada Purushottam (the man of superior principals) Shri Ram. Out of the ten incarnations (of lord Vishnu), the eighth one happened here and after that, he moved aside. As he was made to forget that he was an incarnation. He lived in the form of a human being on earth. Because it had to be told how much an ordinary human being could ascend. To what heights can he go? So, as I told you he who does not have proper relations with his father, or his wife or his subjects or the king, one who does not behave properly with his son, such a person catches on this chakra. Any such person who catches on this chakra should know that he lacks principles. A woman has her position. Many men have this bad habit of mistreating their wives and keeping them in bad condition and treating themselves well. Because they think that whatever they want will happen. They give them a lot of pain and many of them do not follow the principle of marriage with a single woman. Either you do not marry but if you do, you should follow the sanctity of marriage. The man who marries and defies the principle of marriage has no right to marry and therefore gets controlled. We do not understand this at all. In today's world, we do not understand this at all. We all think that we all are kings. Our womenfolk are at home. We can do as we please and no one can touch us. This is not correct. You catch on this chakra. And what happens physically to you? When you catch this chakra, physically you get the problem of breath. You have a problem with inhalation. Just by walking you feel that you have problems in breathing. You can get problems with anger. A lot of anger. If this continues it can develop into lung cancer. And other diseases of such kind. You do not get all such diseases just by this chakra; it can happen due to other chakras also. But at least one ailment can happen due to this chakra. The person who does not respect his wife like a Lakshmi, he gets to suffer. His children do not respect him. And even if the children respect him, they can go wasted. Because the mother is a form of power. In our country, the mother has a lot of respect. And when a man thinks that she is the mother of my children and does not respect her as Lakshmi form then he angers Lord Ram. Not only this he also angers Lord Hanuman. The condition of Lord Hanuman was such that he supported Sitaji even against Lord Ram. So one has to be very cautious of Lord Hanuman. You know Lord Hanuman is a very special god. If he gets angry his ways are not straightforward. His ways are so devious that you people should not get on his wrong side. I tell you honestly that a human being does not understand that he often takes upon himself so much pain. And then people complain that this pain is due to god. Did God say that marry, get a wife and then keep roaming doing foolish things? The concept of marriage has surely been made by god, he is himself present in this ceremony, this is also true. But do we make our marriage a truly blissful institution or do we keep creating problems for ourselves? Especially in today's world, a very bad custom has started to make a joke of your wife whenever you want to joke. A wife is a respectable person. It is said ‘Where ever women are respected, therein reside the gods'. These days there are so many rakshasas roaming around, the reason is that women are mistreated. Although I can tell you that you will not find women like the women of India. You will not get a mother like a mother of India world over. We live in London. We are surprised to find that there the mothers, even the maids are better than them. They do not have any love for their children, no love for husbands, any small problem and they are ready for a divorce. They do not work at home. They make their husbands just like a hard worker from morning till evening. They have mistreated their men so badly that they say that they also were like Indian women earlier but we understood that men will not be set right like this and therefore we rode on their heads. If women get out of control, there is no comparison to men. That's why you kindly change ways. You should think that you may be very intelligent but if you suppress women when they rise in the name of independence then she will put you to a task that you have already seen. One of them already has put you to the task. She is born in the same Uttar Pradesh where Sitaji was told to leave her home. Samples like this. So you must understand that you should respect the patience and love of women and understand the importance of it. Because love is ultimately the last word in the world. When a woman becomes cruel, you can imagine she becomes worse than a human, so dangerous that you cannot face her. That is why it is important to respect your girls, your wife. The chakra above that is called the vishuddhi chakra. I had told you about this that this belongs to Shri Krishna. It is the abode of Shri Radha. When Shri Krishna came into this world, then for the first time in human awareness came the concept of diplomacy. Before that humans did not understand diplomacy. They used to move straight forward. In the direction of the nose. After this Krishna said, these are twisted people so we should put in diplomacy in them. So, diplomacy means which is pure, which is beneficial to humans. Absolutely benign. As you know that Krishna is known as rancchordas (one who quits the battlefield). Once upon a time, a rakshasa (devil) was blessed that no one could kill him. No one including Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahesh. And he started to kill all the army of Shri Krishna. And Shri Krishna also understood that no one could kill him. Because he had a boon. But his killing (of rakshasa) was essential as he created huge destruction. Now, what to do? Because he had a boon so he thought, ok let’s find a way to treat him. So, there was an ascetic. Very austere ascetic. And these ascetics get power in the form of a blessing that they can destroy anyone by merely there looks. And this ascetic went to sleep due to all his meditative effort. For many years, he slept. He had this blessing that the first person he would see would turn to ashes. He could be anyone. So, this ranchordas (Shri Krishna) while running along and with this rakshasa in his trail to find him entered the cave of this ascetic. Shri Krishna put his shawl on top of this ascetic and hid himself. The rakshasa thought that this sleeping man is Shri Krishna so he started to shout to wake him up. ‘Now I got hold of you’,’ Now where will you go?’,’ No one can save you now'.' I have a blessing. Now come over '. And as soon as he pulled over the shawl he was turned to ashes by the sight of this ascetic. This is diplomacy. But this is benign and benevolent. Krishna’s destruction was also benign. People keep saying non-violence, non-violence but no one understands the meaning of non-violence. They say that the Jains (religious community) say that Shri Krishna was particularly very bad. He cannot be a god. And he is of no use since he resorted to violence. Now if God will not do violence on rakshasas so should he invite them to eat him? You keep eating everyone. Should we say this to rakshasas (devil)? We should not protect them. Or should you keep preparing food for them by tearing away body parts and send it over, 'here this is your food. We are sending this'. Because we are ascetics, Sahaja yogis? Rakshasa should be destroyed. Without destroying them it will not work because rakshasa is that group that has no atma. They have no kundalini. They have eyes like that of a cat. You must have seen the eyes of a cat. Have you seen them? The eyes of the cat just close with a snap and can turn inwards. There are many rakshasas like that these days. At least sixteen rakshasas and six rakshasees (female) have taken birth. You see their eyes and you will come to know. Sometimes they do not even raise their eyes. There are so many such rakshasas in kalyug and some have entered your heads. Krishna had said 'paritranay sadhunam. Vinashaya dushkritam' (translated as for the upliftment of virtuous; for the destruction of evil), but here I see that there is no virtuous. In someone's head, there is a yogi, there is a bhoot in someone's head and another bhoot in a third head. Whoever you see, there is some guru's bhoot you are carrying in your head. And in that, if I say that 'Son, you have a bhoot inside your head', he will run after me for my life. That's why there is confusion in the world today. And it's a kalyug today. And that's why there is confusion and by the time he comes out of this confusion he is already suffering so much, his kundalini is so contaminated, there is so much of injury, that I break my hands just working on such people. Now someone says that ‘Mother, we were so many who came to you but you didn’t give us realization’. I’m working so hard as you know. I'm putting in all the hard work. But if you are not able to get your realization then I say even a second-hand car can get repaired but if you send a broken-down person then I will need to work a bit harder. But I'm also ready. Even if you are still stuck, even if you get a broken-down car and then put an elephant in that car then how do you blame me? At least remove that elephant. What did your guru give you? You should think about this. If you think that you got something or the other, then you should forgive me. And if you have not got then you should listen to me. The moment you take the guru's name people's head becomes so hot. At least think, I’m not asking for your money, I do not want anything from you. I just want that you should achieve your heritage. And if you are unable to get your heritage then whomsoever guru you have he is not a capable one. Why do you believe in him? I will tell you the reason for that so now for that look at the next chakra. This is your problem. This problem is due to your eleven rudras (at the forehead). This has the ekadasha rudras (eleven rudras). This is a very big thing. Human's problem is very big. Eleven rudras meaning eleven major chakras are located inside this. But at the centre of these eleven chakras with ten chakras besides it, is the chakra of Surya (sun). This is the chakra of the sun. Lord Ganesh himself incarnated in this world who is Christ himself. Christ is Brahm (vibrations). The form of Brahm (vibrations). That’s why his physical form is also that of bramh. You can say a special being was created. If you read the ‘Devi Bhagwat’ although you do not read such things, if you read ‘Markandeya Puran’ all such things are mentioned in it. His name was Mahavishnu. His father was none other than Shri Krishna, the Virat. The person he keeps talking about his father is Shri Krishna. Now if Christians hear this they will come after to beat me. But this no longer happens in England. They have understood. He keeps talking about his father, keeps showing the two fingers one is a vishuddhi finger and another one is nabhi finger. In the nabhi is Shri Vishnu and here in vishuddhi is Shri Krishna. He doesn't know anything else than his father. If you read Devi Bhagwat and read the description of Mahavishnu (i.e. Christ) it matches word for word. Shri Krishna placed him above himself and made him born after himself. And said that whatever people offer me, whatever I will get you will keep getting one-sixteenth of that portion forever. And you will be the foundation of the world and you will always be in bramh (vibrations) and therefore his physical body could not be destroyed. And Krishna had said 'nainam chidanti shastrani; nainam dahti pavakah' (this atma cannot be destroyed by a weapon and cannot be burnt by a fire). This atma and the vibrations cannot be destroyed. Come what may. This cannot be destroyed. Just to prove this, the birth of Christ took place. Now just put attention on the word 'Christ'. The name comes from 'Krist'. And 'Krist' comes from Krishna. Because he was Krishna’s son, so the name of father was continuing so his name was ‘Krist’. But his name was Jesus also that is because he was also the son of Radha. Radha thought that till today nowhere the name of Jasoda (Krishna’s foster mother) was mentioned. That's why Ya-sho-da means Jesus. Like we say Yasoda, we say Jesu. If someone's name is Jasoda he will be known as Jesu and Jasoda will be known as Jesu. Many people like in Maharashtra know him as 'Yeshu' and Jasoda as 'Jesu'. Now Christian will never come around this and for you also this is very difficult but all these people were from the same cast. Jesus has said 'Those who are not against me are with me'. Who are those people who are with him? He remained for just three years in the world, understand this. In just that everyone tortured him. In just three years he was crucified. How could he have completed his work? Even then he said ' I will appear before you like the tongues of flames'. These tounges of flames are just like the flames inside the kundalini. The chakras of kundalini are just like tounges of flame, living, emitting these flames. Especially the Sahasrara is very beautiful. Sahasrara has many colours of flame. And the one in the centre is very brilliant, transparent. And from the outside its orange and blue and slowly it turns the brilliant. Just like the lotus at the Sahasrara. It has one thousand petals. Now doctors say that there are nine hundred eighty nerves and two motor nerves. These types of useless arguments have no point. They must look after their Sahasrara. But you will not see anything. Because I have taken you through the centre, through the very subtle and taken you there. Therefore, you do not see anything. The same happened with Buddha. That's why we believe in the buddheshwar. The mother did not come to him to tell him how it's done. Spontaneously as he was lying down one day he got realized like Sahaja. And the kundalini went just through the middle and out. When you go through the middle of something you do not see from the outside. So, you do not see anything. If you see something, assume that you are on the outside. So, you don’t see anything. When you move through the inside you do not feel anything other than peace and thoughtlessness. This is the attribute of Sahaja yoga. As such so many people say that let us spin your Agnya chakra. Only the day before someone said this is the third eye, here at the place of Agnya chakra, right at the centre at optic thalamus where we have our optic nerves, nerves of our eyes and this is a delicate area. And the window of that is located outside where I have my sindoor (on the forehead), this is the window. When you spin it the wrong way it creates a short circuit and then what do you see then? It's a very important chakra, what below is Ganesha's swastika becomes the cross here. But the crucifixion of Christ is not his message. The message was the resurrection. Because the way Krishna had said that this body can be finished but the bramh tatva (vibration element) cannot, the one whose physical body was made of vibrations left the world along with his body. This is proof of the father and his words. This element does not get destroyed. You will be surprised that the mantra of vishuddhi chakra is ‘Alla ho Akbar’ your cold cough etc gets all right. If you are realized that is 'Alla ho Akbar' means Allah who is the Virat. And Virat is the description of Shri Krishna. Prophet Mohamed has himself described Shri Krishna with such fervour. Where ever he said about Allah he talked about Shri Krishna. Wherever Christ talked about his father, he talked about Shri Krishna. But he talked about formless because the people were caught up in petty things, you can say in our country only. First, there was talk about the one in the form. About the flowers, so people started saying sit on the flowers. No one talked about the nectar. Everyone got busy in idol worship. There is meaning in an idol, there is a meaning to everything because I told you that deities are sitting in all the chakras and each one of them has a meaning. But which idol is the right one? Which one is false? No one even knows this. There are so many idols that have bhoots sitting inside them. Most of the idol that they took away from here, just kept in their house, will get eventually stolen from the houses. If they hide in boxes, the whole box itself will get stolen. You can try it once. Those who give these types of idols put bhoots in them. Like giving a talisman or a ring. You can say that there are such horrible types of bhoots associated with them that you can be thrown back. There are even photographs like this. One such Babaji was used to doing this had his photo in a women's house. One of my disciples went there and just as she entered the place her head went out of order. She asked her is she was following any guru or babaji but got a reply that she has nothing of the sort. She opened her box and there was this small photograph of the babaji. 'You first throw this else I will go away and there will be no relation between us henceforth' She said. Between just an age of forty to fifty you are bound to get a heart attack. Tell me any followers of theirs who did not get a heart attack after the age of forty or fifty. Tell me, anyone. Especially if the wife is a follower the husband will surely get it. You can check if this is correct or not. I can give many examples of this. Who was the Wing Commander? He had come to me after a heart attack. I forgot his name. Yes, Mr Mehra and then another one Mr Nanda. He is the one and only, why do you want me to take his name? His actual name is Mahishasur. That Satya Saibaba. He is Asatya (untruth) that's why he prefixed Satya (truth) to his name. And the people who get the rings forget this. Now I met a rich man. I had gone to dinner to some minister's place and there he started to tell me 'see I got this ring. The cost of this ring is about 1-2 lacs'. I told him 'Oh so he gave you this ring but couldn't you buy such a ring from the market?’ But he is born for such fools only. Such people who have an excess of money more than their needs. In Sahaja Yoga, such wealthy will never come. Neither such type of rich nor the powerful. They will dance naked in front of Rajneesh. In our Maharashtra, there were one or two ministers who danced naked before Rajneesh. Some photos were taken and are being sold at very high rates in America. What does one say? There is no problem with that. There they will throng all ministers in front of these devils and rakshasas. They will go and say' Oh Babaji, please tell us'. And what do they say' There is this mister who is going to come to take my place? Please do something about him.' Is this the work of God? Then there are other such charlatans roaming around. There is one such in Nagpur. He will tell you the number of the horse. Now tell me is god concerned with the number on the horses? There are hordes at his place. There was someone at the shipping corporation. He was a deputy to my husband. He was a very humble man. He passed away. His daughter in law once came crying to me. I said ' What happened? Why are you crying? So, she said 'Mataji what do I tell you? My husband has sold off all my household. He gave away everything. And he has run away somewhere after selling everything away. Now, what to do?'. I said 'Very wicked of him. Where did he go?’ After that, his mother came to me. He started crying and asking about his son. I said that he is alive but don't know where. After that, she came back after about a year and started telling me ‘Found him, Found him’. I said ‘Where?’. He was somewhere in Nagpur and he is known as Gulab baba and he was the same person. When I went to Nagpur I sent a message that I’m coming to meet this Gulab baba. I did not see him for a year after that. Then the second year he again reappeared. This is their condition. All kinds of thieves and dacoits who have come out of jails are roaming around in the guise of babas. You think about it, suppose you are locked up in jail. The world comes to know about it and you face social disgrace. Then when you come out, if you are very clever and intelligent, what will you do? You will think let’s wear a gown and go to somewhere where we can start a shop. So, if he is a person from the north he will go to the south and if he is from the south, he will come to the north. After that you will see in a few days he will be going around wearing a string of beads. Some will be going around on elephants, some on horses, some on camels and some on donkeys. But where do you get such donkeys? In cities. Here people are more intelligent. They think that this person has come to give away their money to them. These donkeys live in cities and usually, they have excess money. Some donkeys also sit on powerful positions. They are good donkeys and are easily available. They do not think that we have occupied this high chair for a fleeting moment, that we have got this money for limited duration, that they have just come to occupy these places to guard them over. And then if you tell them ‘Son, you have to quit smuggling, this will not be acceptable in Sahaja Yoga. You must leave tobacco. You should quit drinking. All bad habit you have to drop'. Mataji is very bad. Why? Because she does not tell us to sit with trouble. Do smuggling and thuggery. Some gurus come to say goodbye to their disciples when they go to jail. There is another such character who gives names to his pupils. That's the kind of sway he has put over them. Ignorant people are there. Moneyed but ignorant. And the ones with power are fools. So, they get both of them as disciples these and them. They tell the rich that you put langar (free food camp). Guru should be served. Now there are so big camps organized for service. People think that these are being organized by the Babaji with his own money for this langar. That's the kind of service these gurus give. Suppose I'm in the middle of doing such langar. All the black money. Muktanand is one such sample. All the black money of Bombay goes to Muktanand. All hippies come there, all drugs are supplied there. They are comfortable doing all the drugs. It's allowed in their ashrams. Because it is part of their culture. Brother and sister sleep together, no problem. It is their culture. What can we do? We cannot disturb their culture. What can you do to disturb it? So now these people say that you get many saint and hermits; all white-skinned hermits. So, we are in their service. All the block(government) money is going there. To have the langars. And if you go to the feet of such babas you get bhoots inside yourselves. Another bhoot in someone else. They sell their drugs like hotcakes. Just go and get this verified. I had told you about Anand Marg in 1970. Let me tell you. They are of another variety, all of them of different varieties, you will be surprised to know about them. Now, these Anand Margis have latched on to another weakness of humans. They have come to know about the problem of hatred in humans, hate him, hate them, trouble him, trouble them, no one wants to use their sensibilities for this. We will make you powerful just using this hatred inside you, so powerful that your enemies will be destroyed. It will make it so powerful that don't ask. In the beginning, it's a bit slow. After this they make you do this and that. Now there is a lot of tantrism involved in this. Tantriks have just one way, very simple. That somehow anger the gods inside you. If you just make all gods angry, abuse, say their mantras, etc. Now consider some random tantric, you have a shiva on your heart and he will be someone holding a skull and body in his hands and say Shiv, Shiv, Shiv. Now Shivji will say just see the drama of this awful man. If someone wears the crown of a king and say Oh king, Oh king, then what will the king do? Put two slaps and put him in an asylum. But gods do not work like this. They say if he is gone, leave him. They pull away from their attention from there. At the maximum, they pull away. Sometimes they punish also but sometimes they leave that place. And the vacuum that is created at that place then, they start to do all the filthy things. And once the filth starts, they gain power and then trap everyone there itself. Similarly, give a mantra to someone. Someone was given ' Ai, Hi, Ki, Ko, Dhi, Dhi' anything they will give. There are devils by these names. These devils enter you and start to do their jobs. Only yesterday there was a woman who came to me saying that just three days ago, I went to this guru's place. In such a short period of this condition? The whole body was aching, blockade and very terrible condition. Did I say that in just three days you ate this there? You should have understood. Its mentioned clearly in Puranas that in the name of God there will be big dreadful devils who will come here and be called gurus. Will Ravan say that he is Ravan? If he says this he will be put behind bars first thing. Many devils (females) have come using different names. Hitler has taken birth. This has taken birth, that has taken birth. Hitler was also a big devil. He has again taken birth in this country. He must be having powers. Meaning that how to cast a spread, how to fill in a bhoot, how to do devil's expertise. All such are devils' expertise. There is only one thing about god, how to awaken your power. When I say that awaken your power they say' This just cannot be, we cannot believe'. Ok. have come for such intelligent people only. In a way, I have been telling you for a long time. That son, my place is actually in the villages. My place is not with these town dwellers. Now you said, therefore, I came to Delhi. Next time if you same mother come for a month. Ok, I will come for a month and do all the hard work. But howsoever amount of work one does, how much it will enter inside the heads of intellectuals here, I cannot say. ‘Mother please bless us'. I have already blessed the world. But in a village, there are more than seven hundred who achieve their self-realization in a thousand people. But in Delhi amongst the thousands, there will come only a handful maybe fifteen to twenty. In that maybe ten get self-realization and two melt away and another one will run away. Then the mother thinks that maybe its all wasted away. I just have this request from you that at least what you earn, do not fritter away. It has to be established, imbibed and taken towards the experience. Sacchidanand state is what? We have to achieve that. Above this is Sahasrara. Till today this was not opened. I have come many times and taken birth many times. Many of you know it but Sahasrara was not opened. Nothing happened except crying weeping and wasting away all such lives. You could not achieve anything. The opening of Sahasrara only happened in this birth. That too, I was working away in the nights' end on, I used to enter inside kundalinis of everyone to find out what the problem is in this motor and that motor. And that too by being with my family, the last stage of Sahaja yoga, which we say the opening of Sahasrara, has happened. That’s why we celebrate 5th May as the Sahastrar day. That day when the Sahasrara opened up, your Sahasrara also opened up. This means that day the super consciousness came into this world. That's why you all feel the vibrations. You may ask why not many years ago? Only one in many used to get this and could achieve much. Supra consciousness was needed. God's kingdom had to come. The sensitivity of that had to be spread in the world. Otherwise, the belief in God would have broken off. Else the world would have drowned away. And Satya yuga wouldn't have started. Satya yuga has started. And Satya yuga means that just any other worthless thing will not work. Satya yuga started from the day cancer started in this world. No hanky panky can go on now. You have to stand in dharma. If you do not stand in dharma, you will go towards excessiveness. Earlier you may have heard a lot of people who used to have one peg a day. Now it does not happen like that. Now a ten year or a fifteen-year-old boy who starts on alcohol turns alcoholic within two years. Everything has become speedy and because of speediness, it won’t work now. Man has to become dharmic now and rise in his dharma. One who does not rise will be defeated. He will have to see losses, mentally, physically, emotionally. All types of losses. And he will see in front of his eyes that he is getting all these painful things. He will understand this. This is a special time. You can say the time of transition to get down to Satya Yuga. Before fully getting down in Satya yuga, before establishing that your sensitivity should improve. This physical body of yours has the central nervous system and you should get the light of divine on your central nervous system. Till now it is only in the parasympathetic and you have god in your hearts. But this light should come onto your central nervous system and flow in the form of vibrations like it is described. When you understand this completely and study this only then Satya yuga will be established inside you fully. Till now no book has described which finger is connected to which chakra. I told you yesterday that the great saint Gagangiri Maharaj who is 105 years old also does not know how these chakras are caught. He says that we know it from the inside, just by going inside we come to know but we do not know anything about the fingers. This is just magical that even small little kids are telling you about the catches on their fingers. You have decoded this completely. What have these people done for you? These people from the city and the villagers, why are you giving them self realization? What is their speciality? What is so extraordinary about them? In what pattern, have you given birth to them? I said 'On the pattern of Ganesh. I have given them birth from Sahasrara'. You used to think that you have achieved a lot, I achieved this, I achieved that. Now sit. These are my children and they are the ones who will tell the world that there is god. Now he argues with me again and again and says 'Mother, You work till about 12 years and then I will come. I am occupied with these people now. They have made my condition worse'. But he said that if someone tries to trouble you, you send him to me. ' One person was troubling me for no reason. I told him to go to this guru and that he has called him.' I did not know what a weird person he was. So, he went. He turned up after ten days with his legs broken and tied to his shoulders. I just had tears in my eyes. I said what happened? Who did this to you? He started to say ’Mother, Save me. Save me.’ I said what happened. You had gone to this guru. That time you were going with great enthusiasm that you are going to this guru. He said that I was sleeping in the cave and in the night a leopard pushed me to ground. I said but what did you tell him? Mother, I made a mistake to talk ill about you. I talked bad about you. 'Then what did he say?'. He said' Let me see your mother on this. He did not say much at that moment. After this, the leopard threw me on the ground. After three days, I found myself with bones broken just lying there, in my own waste, totally shattered. Nothing to eat. Only after a few days, they offered a few morsels that too hanging from the air. After that they let me rot there for a few more days. Then they bought me up and informed my relatives. They told them to take me from there. They put my legs on my shoulder and packed me to take to you. She will only set him right. She is the only one who can forgive. I cannot. And if you say again I will detach your legs from your body. He held his ears and said that mother please do not send me again to him. Whatever it is, it is ok. Then I put his legs ok. Now he is fine. Going on. This is how it is. Now, these gurus also have their unique ways. I asked him 'Why don’t you give realization?’. He said’ I’m done with this giving realization thing. I had given it to one. Worked for twenty-five years, then he got realized. Just think about it’. He said’ Just imagine. From the time, I was a frog I have worked hard and after thousands of years, I have got realization. I felt vibrations. And I gave this fool his realization within twenty-five years. What is his name? Yes, Anna Maharaj. I said ' Fine. We will see what this Anna Maharaj is’. He said’ If I get hold of him I will beat him hard’. So, that Anna Manahraj had come somewhere so I said that if he is seen somewhere call me also. He was told that Mataji is coming. I went. He was smoking a cigarette in front of me and was talking in his Hyderabadi language something with these four or five women. Very comfortably he is sitting. I went. I said' How are you?'. He said ' My Guruji left his throne to meet you in Bombay. I said ‘Why not?’. After all, I’m his mother and he came to meet me. Do you have any objection?’. He said ‘He should not have done that, He is this and he is that. He is gone case and so forth.’ I said ‘Now see my way. He just broke your legs’. So, I put Kumkum to him and then as I was leaving I asked him to put Kumkum to my forehead. Just as he put on my Agnya chakra I just pulled him inside. He just started shaking ‘Mother, Mother, save me. Leave me’. I said first you tell me that you will not criticize your guru. 'No, I will not criticize my guru. Leave me', And secondly, you drop your habit of smoking. ‘Yes. Leave me. Leave me’. I said ‘Thirdly you should leave the company of women and go and sit in a jungle’. When he promised all three things only then I left his hands. Else he was almost fully sucked and he couldn’t move his fingers from there. That drama was seen by all of them for a whole five minutes. Then he left that place and now sits in jungles. But he still did his old ways. Then I came to know that he was asking people to give him gold rings, of one and a quarter tola and promised people that their problems will be over. 'Maharaj this is too much'. Ok, you give whatever you can if you cannot give a one and a quarter tola. Just give half a tola. Whatever you can manage. He collected thousands of tolas of gold like this. By god's blessing, he had a theft at his place and all his gold was stolen. So, he said ‘This is mother’s work’. I said ‘Mine? But I did not get that gold?'. Then what do you do? If you cannot get the work done simply then you have to turn to diplomacy. This is the place of Sahasrara. When the kundalini passes through the middle of this Sahasrara and pierces the fontanelle bone area then only you enter in superconsciousness. Now I will tell you, as I told you earlier, on the left-hand side is the subconscious and the collective subconscious. And on the right-hand side is the supra-conscious that we call as the pre-conscious mind and then beyond that is collective supra-conscious. Down below is the hell (below mooladhara) and above is the superconscious (above Sahasrara). So what happens is that when you become too much of a 'super' and people say that you have become a big monk or a nun, or some other such thing then you go on this side. From the supra-conscious, you get bhoots inside you. And these people who fill in very dynamic bhoots inside you, they take you in a trans for a while, you get speedy for a while but realize soon after that you start to shiver. You get body aches. You cannot sleep at night. Gets terrible. All the dead spirits in the supra-conscious, these dead spirits are very ambitious. Now one of them is this person (false guru) from Pondicherry. Till a moment, he was going fine. Till the time his kundalini rose to his Agnya, it was all fine. Just at that moment, this lady reached there. His kundalini just fell like a thud back and the bhoots from both the side came rushing inside. Now tell me do you find any sensible person from Pondicherry? Number one fighters, number one aggressors, most temperamental and thinking themselves to be extraordinarily intelligent. And if you talk to them they will talk so big. If you ask them if you are realized, quick will come the reply, 'Yes we are'. They used to all shake in front of me, the neck used to move like this. They used to say that mother is because of your power. So, I said those beside you must also be feeling the same power. Ask them, where did they come from? We realized the gentleman came from a lunatic asylum. This is the level of darkness. So much darkness that I just cannot tell you. Now let's move to Vrindavan. There they have all the followers of Kansa (Krishna's uncle from Mahabharat who wanted to kill Krishna) are nicely settled with names like Pandeyji, Dubeyji, Chaubey Ji with such big pot bellies. Just offer them some food or a cow or if nothing else a pair of slippers or shoes. Not even one genuine person that I could see there. I went everywhere for you. They said 'We bought the saree of Radha Ji for you'. I said 'Really?'. And asked what is the problem that you have? He said I have blood pressure. We do all the good work. We have served Radhaji a lot in Vrindavan. I said 'then how did you get blood pressure?'. 'We have that in our family'. I said 'ok'. And everyone passes away in our family at the age of 30-32. I said' Ok. If your family member passes away at the age of 30-32 by serving Radha Ji then what type of service are you rendering?'. And here I’m reducing everyone's blood pressure and your blood pressure is increasing. Now there are many such specimens in our country that squatter everywhere. Here it is alright. Shri Hanuman is awake. No doubt about this. He was awake. Now I don't know what is the condition right now. Maybe he might have disappeared from there by now. Because the attention gets removed. Same with me also. In my photograph the moment you remove your attention, the photo is gone. The photograph turns dark. Because my attention is pulled out from there. Some wrong actions like adultery going on, if my photograph is kept there, my attention is removed. If some person like that turns up, my attention is just pulled away. That's the problem with the gods. If Ganesha's attention is pulled away, you are gone. Then just losses upon losses. One is Ganesha and the second one is Hanuman and the third one is Bhairavnath. We should be very wary of these three persons. So Bhairavnathji was the one who was known as Saint Michael in the bible. And Hanumanji is saint Gabriel. They are the same beings and they are at these two chakras on the two channels to protect us. Here on this side, it is Bhairavnathji and on this side it is Hanumanji. But they have their limits. If you cross the limits then they direct you to get straightened. Like Shivji who is seated here. Shivji consumes all the poisonous elements of the world. He consumes because he is the one who can kill that poison. He only can consume it. Finish it off. Like the Devi is the one who consumes the rakshasas (devil). And now if someone asks the Devi why aren’t you a vegetarian? This is hypocrisy. She has to drink the dirty blood of raktabija (a devil) and she has to consume each and every rakshasa. How can she be a vegetarian? You should straight away interpret this. If there is someone who is a very big vegetarian then I ask him to come and at least touch non-vegetarian. Don't take to extremities. If you are so much made up of milk then you cannot stand with the Devi. You should think that Devi had to kill many thousands. Killed many crores of rakshasas. That Devi is Atisoumya (very soft) and for her children Atikaurya (very cruel). They were killed so brutally. If she wouldn't have killed them how would the children be saved? But I don't know where Hinduism started the concept of vegetarianism. If you believe in the Shakti if you are the devotee of the Devi where is the question of vegetarianism? Ofocurse this does not mean that you start eating horses, ox or buffalo. I don't mean that you start eating cows. But these small animals that are normally eaten by everyone, so do you mean Mohammed Sahib is then a gone case? Christians are gone case. All warrior class is gone. Rama and Krishna are gone. Every one of these is gone cases? Who is then left? Perhaps two or four ravanas who are ailing with tuberculosis and who will give realization to them? I’m not saying that you start eating meat. I don't mean that. If you don't like it, don't eat it. But that has no connection to your practice or your realization. But it is connected to how much is your attention on food. But alcohol under any circumstance is against the practice. If you ask me then I can eat ten raktabijas (devils) but I cannot consume a single drop of alcohol. Someone just managed to make me drink just a little and I was vomiting blood after that. So much. My husband pulled his ears that day that does not even give her a drop of this to my wife.' I have pain in my stomach'. I do not say anything to anyone. My stomach is like that. You must have seen that I ran away yesterday. There was some very bad man who came along here. Because of him, I had a very bad nabhi catch. I said now let’s throw him out and put him in hell. I have a pain in my stomach even if I see even a bit of something like this. If a naked woman or a cabaret dance is going on. I don’t have a problem but if you go somewhere you are forced, something that comes along with a government servant’s life. And a government servant should witness cabaret dance or his job doesn’t move. On top of that being a wife is an added trouble. Just keep mum. I just vomit there and then. What do I do? I don’t say anything. If I see any filth from anywhere this on its own, this dharma that is in our stomachs. How human beings rise in their realization and to what extent, this I explained to you today. Tomorrow I will tell you that how do you rise in realization within your state of mind, and how the state of nirvikalpa is established, and what are its indications. Whatever I said today, they have all written it down, perhaps they will make tapes and give it away here. But its important to have faith, faith with yourselves. You should try to go a bit deeper into this. In Delhi, those people who have dived deep have all gone deeper. No doubt about this. And those who have not, have not. They are stationed just there. Every year I witness they are standing just there. When there are ten people who gather in my name, there the power will manifest itself. And ‘Mother, I sit at home and do puja’. Nothing will happen. ‘Afterwards, I had a physical problem and other such sundry problem'. Next time they come they are complaining about other things. I'm not going to listen to this. You get well on your own. You make yourself healthy. After that, you start worrying about the world. I hope many people will get their realization today. Yesterday also many people had got their realization. Don't know how many of those came today. And many new people have come today. But how many of these are for real and how many fake, I come to know beforehand. One day a gentleman came along. I told him in advance that perhaps you should leave. You are not well. He did not listen. And then he started jumping here like a storm and then went away. He thought himself to be very intelligent. He started saying that in your kundalini a person should dance and jump, this and that. I told them to let him dance and jump. Who stopped him? But he should put up his tent and his own platform and do it there. Why should he do this here? Who invited him to jump and dance here? At least let me have my reign here. This is good. That we should put up the tent, advertise and he comes and jumps on our chairs. What calculation is this? If you want to go you should go your own way. We do not come your way to say please come. You came of your own will. Out of your delight. And went out a similar way. Please forgive us. And if you think that we are doing very bad karma and teaching people bad things, then you should give it in a newspaper. We will have no objection. And even if they write that Mataji says all these things, if someone says that we are teaching bad things then it is alright. Now let us go into meditation for a while. And get our realization. But I would want those who already got their realization should go a bit at the back. And give other’s a chance. Those who are already realized should learn how do we give realization to others. It's of utmost importance that unless you utilize your earned wealth, you will not understand what is this thing.

1978-02-01, Brahmajana: Mooladhara to Vishuddhi - Agnya and Sahasrara Chakras, Delhi Public Program, Brahama Ka Gyan (Knowledge of Brahm), 1st February 1978 Delhi, Translation Hindi to English I have already told you about some of the chakras. I will tell you beyond this today. As I said earlier the name of the first chakra is Mooladhara. This is located below and consists of four petals. And because this is in a subtle form, the gross expression of this is the Pelvic plexus. In this are the purest of the pure feet of Lord Ganesha. And above this, the triangular form that you see here resides the kundalini and this is a very important point that lord Ganesha is below and kundalini is above him. This is a very important point to understand. There is a lot of confusion over this. To say that Ganesha in this chakra that is connected to sex or completely opposite to do all the work by staying away from sex, this is a way to god. These two twisted forms of thought get encouraged. Sex has no connection with your evolution. But you also do not need to run away from sex in Sahaja yoga. This is another aspect of daily existence but not so important as people think. It's an expression of your domestic life between a man and a woman. It should be allowed between a husband and wife and one should adopt purity with anyone else. Beyond that, I told you that Swadishthan chakra revolves around the void and moves around like a leaf of a lotus. This is the same void that establishes all the creation including the constellations. What we call the earth element is the work of Swadishthan. Whenever human beings do any kind of creative work, they use this chakra. This chakra has the powers of Shri Bramha and Saraswati. That day I told you that Shri Brahma took birth only once in this world. Only once. There was a reason behind this. And you will be surprised to know that Shri Hazrat Ali who was the son in law of Prophet Mohamed was the only incarnation of Shri Brahma on earth. Only once. This is remarkable. People will not believe this but you can check on vibrations and you will realize that I’m telling the truth. Therefore, people who have problems with the liver or are suffering from diabetes, because of imbalances the people who are right-sided and have problems, all such problems can be cured by taking the name of Shri Hazrat Ali. If Muslims accept this, you will not and if you accept Krishna they will not. We need to ascend in this world. Although all such people are residing inside the body of Virat. They are all connected. Because Hazrat Ali was the son in law of Prophet Mohamed and Prophet Mohamed was the incarnation of King Janaka (from Ramayana). His sons Hasan and Husain who were killed in the battle of Karbala were no one else but Sitaji's sons (from Ramayana) Luv and Kush who were later incarnated as Mahavir and Buddha. Now if I'm speaking the truth or not you can find out from the experiment of Sahaja Yoga. To outrightly reject anything in Sahaja yoga is also not correct Now you are realized. You never felt vibrations. You didn't even know what vibrations are what the knowledge of Brahm is? Just this, is knowledge. This knowledge was not told until today because each incarnation was born at different places with a particular aspect. The time has come when the total and complete and integrated knowledge be told and enlightened. If this is the truth or not, you can know only after realization, not before. And in this country, there are still thousands who say that they do not believe in anything called realization. They think that God has abandoned the world towards destruction. This is a big allegation on god. The one who created this world does worry about it! There should be some meaning, some meaning, otherwise what is the meaning of this creation. But the human being is so intelligent that he thinks very convincingly about god that 'this cannot be'. 'I have full faith', 'I believe'. How did you believe it? How did you come to know about this? They will not utter a word on this. This is a big ego of human beings. If you are not humble in Sahaja Yoga then you have not understood this as yet. We still should know a lot, achieve a lot. Even after achieving you should verify everything using vibrations. The person who has no depth looks at Sahaja yoga superficially and you do not have to know Sahaja yoga superficially. After this, I told you about the nabhi chakra. You know in brief that in nabhi chakra reside the evolutionary forces, that lead to our evolution. Due to which we became human beings from amoeba. The way we see in chemistry, the way periodic laws are set up. That is all because of this evolutionary power. Everything has its dharma established. Like carbon has a valency of four. Hydrogen has its valency and so has oxygen. It is a complete chart. It is already beautifully shown in a chart. How it is repeated in the chart. Something to marvel. All this is due to the law of dharma and the forces of evolution. These atomic laws and their changes then manifest in the evolution of dharma. You people are made of elements. This position of the dharma of these elements slowly changes and that's why you evolve, and today you are humans. Now with just one more step, you will reach in that state that we call self-realized. But what is being self-realized? I will tell this at the end of this lecture. The third one is the chakra which we call the heart chakra, which is on this side, where shiva resides, where the personification of the soul in the form of Shri Sada shiva resides, although he is above the forehead (in Sahasrara). Although this being his seat, like Delhi being the seat, they keep searching everywhere. Likewise, although the seat is here (in Sahasrara), the chakra or lets us say the reflection as a soul is located in the heart. This soul keeps coming outside the body and keeps searching, looking everywhere and keeps up to date on everything. This soul that Shri Krishna described as KshetrAgnya(knowledgable), this is the one who is the knower of the area (kshetra) that resides in our hearts. This, that humans know as the all-pervading is a representative of that power. In the centre, the chakra is called the central heart that runs the cardiac plexus. In the heart, chakra resides Jagdamba that is the place of goddess Durga. We have described her in one thousand words. But she has incarnated on many other occasions. She comes here in the void and provides comfort to her devotees (bhaktas). She puts energy into them. She took so many incarnations to provide protection to her bhaktas and to give them the energy so they can fight the cunning. After this on this side, it is not shown here but here too is a place on the right side there is a chakra. This chakra as you can see is on the right side on the Pingala channel here the limit (principle) of this chakra is shown and this is the place of Maryada Purushottam (the man of superior principals) Shri Ram. Out of the ten incarnations (of lord Vishnu), the eighth one happened here and after that, he moved aside. As he was made to forget that he was an incarnation. He lived in the form of a human being on earth. Because it had to be told how much an ordinary human being could ascend. To what heights can he go? So, as I told you he who does not have proper relations with his father, or his wife or his subjects or the king, one who does not behave properly with his son, such a person catches on this chakra. Any such person who catches on this chakra should know that he lacks principles. A woman has her position. Many men have this bad habit of mistreating their wives and keeping them in bad condition and treating themselves well. Because they think that whatever they want will happen. They give them a lot of pain and many of them do not follow the principle of marriage with a single woman. Either you do not marry but if you do, you should follow the sanctity of marriage. The man who marries and defies the principle of marriage has no right to marry and therefore gets controlled. We do not understand this at all. In today's world, we do not understand this at all. We all think that we all are kings. Our womenfolk are at home. We can do as we please and no one can touch us. This is not correct. You catch on this chakra. And what happens physically to you? When you catch this chakra, physically you get the problem of breath. You have a problem with inhalation. Just by walking you feel that you have problems in breathing. You can get problems with anger. A lot of anger. If this continues it can develop into lung cancer. And other diseases of such kind. You do not get all such diseases just by this chakra; it can happen due to other chakras also. But at least one ailment can happen due to this chakra. The person who does not respect his wife like a Lakshmi, he gets to suffer. His children do not respect him. And even if the children respect him, they can go wasted. Because the mother is a form of power. In our country, the mother has a lot of respect. And when a man thinks that she is the mother of my children and does not respect her as Lakshmi form then he angers Lord Ram. Not only this he also angers Lord Hanuman. The condition of Lord Hanuman was such that he supported Sitaji even against Lord Ram. So one has to be very cautious of Lord Hanuman. You know Lord Hanuman is a very special god. If he gets angry his ways are not straightforward. His ways are so devious that you people should not get on his wrong side. I tell you honestly that a human being does not understand that he often takes upon himself so much pain. And then people complain that this pain is due to god. Did God say that marry, get a wife and then keep roaming doing foolish things? The concept of marriage has surely been made by god, he is himself present in this ceremony, this is also true. But do we make our marriage a truly blissful institution or do we keep creating problems for ourselves? Especially in today's world, a very bad custom has started to make a joke of your wife whenever you want to joke. A wife is a respectable person. It is said ‘Where ever women are respected, therein reside the gods'. These days there are so many rakshasas roaming around, the reason is that women are mistreated. Although I can tell you that you will not find women like the women of India. You will not get a mother like a mother of India world over. We live in London. We are surprised to find that there the mothers, even the maids are better than them. They do not have any love for their children, no love for husbands, any small problem and they are ready for a divorce. They do not work at home. They make their husbands just like a hard worker from morning till evening. They have mistreated their men so badly that they say that they also were like Indian women earlier but we understood that men will not be set right like this and therefore we rode on their heads. If women get out of control, there is no comparison to men. That's why you kindly change ways. You should think that you may be very intelligent but if you suppress women when they rise in the name of independence then she will put you to a task that you have already seen. One of them already has put you to the task. She is born in the same Uttar Pradesh where Sitaji was told to leave her home. Samples like this. So you must understand that you should respect the patience and love of women and understand the importance of it. Because love is ultimately the last word in the world. When a woman becomes cruel, you can imagine she becomes worse than a human, so dangerous that you cannot face her. That is why it is important to respect your girls, your wife. The chakra above that is called the vishuddhi chakra. I had told you about this that this belongs to Shri Krishna. It is the abode of Shri Radha. When Shri Krishna came into this world, then for the first time in human awareness came the concept of diplomacy. Before that humans did not understand diplomacy. They used to move straight forward. In the direction of the nose. After this Krishna said, these are twisted people so we should put in diplomacy in them. So, diplomacy means which is pure, which is beneficial to humans. Absolutely benign. As you know that Krishna is known as rancchordas (one who quits the battlefield). Once upon a time, a rakshasa (devil) was blessed that no one could kill him. No one including Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahesh. And he started to kill all the army of Shri Krishna. And Shri Krishna also understood that no one could kill him. Because he had a boon. But his killing (of rakshasa) was essential as he created huge destruction. Now, what to do? Because he had a boon so he thought, ok let’s find a way to treat him. So, there was an ascetic. Very austere ascetic. And these ascetics get power in the form of a blessing that they can destroy anyone by merely there looks. And this ascetic went to sleep due to all his meditative effort. For many years, he slept. He had this blessing that the first person he would see would turn to ashes. He could be anyone. So, this ranchordas (Shri Krishna) while running along and with this rakshasa in his trail to find him entered the cave of this ascetic. Shri Krishna put his shawl on top of this ascetic and hid himself. The rakshasa thought that this sleeping man is Shri Krishna so he started to shout to wake him up. ‘Now I got hold of you’,’ Now where will you go?’,’ No one can save you now'.' I have a blessing. Now come over '. And as soon as he pulled over the shawl he was turned to ashes by the sight of this ascetic. This is diplomacy. But this is benign and benevolent. Krishna’s destruction was also benign. People keep saying non-violence, non-violence but no one understands the meaning of non-violence. They say that the Jains (religious community) say that Shri Krishna was particularly very bad. He cannot be a god. And he is of no use since he resorted to violence. Now if God will not do violence on rakshasas so should he invite them to eat him? You keep eating everyone. Should we say this to rakshasas (devil)? We should not protect them. Or should you keep preparing food for them by tearing away body parts and send it over, 'here this is your food. We are sending this'. Because we are ascetics, Sahaja yogis? Rakshasa should be destroyed. Without destroying them it will not work because rakshasa is that group that has no atma. They have no kundalini. They have eyes like that of a cat. You must have seen the eyes of a cat. Have you seen them? The eyes of the cat just close with a snap and can turn inwards. There are many rakshasas like that these days. At least sixteen rakshasas and six rakshasees (female) have taken birth. You see their eyes and you will come to know. Sometimes they do not even raise their eyes. There are so many such rakshasas in kalyug and some have entered your heads. Krishna had said 'paritranay sadhunam. Vinashaya dushkritam' (translated as for the upliftment of virtuous; for the destruction of evil), but here I see that there is no virtuous. In someone's head, there is a yogi, there is a bhoot in someone's head and another bhoot in a third head. Whoever you see, there is some guru's bhoot you are carrying in your head. And in that, if I say that 'Son, you have a bhoot inside your head', he will run after me for my life. That's why there is confusion in the world today. And it's a kalyug today. And that's why there is confusion and by the time he comes out of this confusion he is already suffering so much, his kundalini is so contaminated, there is so much of injury, that I break my hands just working on such people. Now someone says that ‘Mother, we were so many who came to you but you didn’t give us realization’. I’m working so hard as you know. I'm putting in all the hard work. But if you are not able to get your realization then I say even a second-hand car can get repaired but if you send a broken-down person then I will need to work a bit harder. But I'm also ready. Even if you are still stuck, even if you get a broken-down car and then put an elephant in that car then how do you blame me? At least remove that elephant. What did your guru give you? You should think about this. If you think that you got something or the other, then you should forgive me. And if you have not got then you should listen to me. The moment you take the guru's name people's head becomes so hot. At least think, I’m not asking for your money, I do not want anything from you. I just want that you should achieve your heritage. And if you are unable to get your heritage then whomsoever guru you have he is not a capable one. Why do you believe in him? I will tell you the reason for that so now for that look at the next chakra. This is your problem. This problem is due to your eleven rudras (at the forehead). This has the ekadasha rudras (eleven rudras). This is a very big thing. Human's problem is very big. Eleven rudras meaning eleven major chakras are located inside this. But at the centre of these eleven chakras with ten chakras besides it, is the chakra of Surya (sun). This is the chakra of the sun. Lord Ganesh himself incarnated in this world who is Christ himself. Christ is Brahm (vibrations). The form of Brahm (vibrations). That’s why his physical form is also that of bramh. You can say a special being was created. If you read the ‘Devi Bhagwat’ although you do not read such things, if you read ‘Markandeya Puran’ all such things are mentioned in it. His name was Mahavishnu. His father was none other than Shri Krishna, the Virat. The person he keeps talking about his father is Shri Krishna. Now if Christians hear this they will come after to beat me. But this no longer happens in England. They have understood. He keeps talking about his father, keeps showing the two fingers one is a vishuddhi finger and another one is nabhi finger. In the nabhi is Shri Vishnu and here in vishuddhi is Shri Krishna. He doesn't know anything else than his father. If you read Devi Bhagwat and read the description of Mahavishnu (i.e. Christ) it matches word for word. Shri Krishna placed him above himself and made him born after himself. And said that whatever people offer me, whatever I will get you will keep getting one-sixteenth of that portion forever. And you will be the foundation of the world and you will always be in bramh (vibrations) and therefore his physical body could not be destroyed. And Krishna had said 'nainam chidanti shastrani; nainam dahti pavakah' (this atma cannot be destroyed by a weapon and cannot be burnt by a fire). This atma and the vibrations cannot be destroyed. Come what may. This cannot be destroyed. Just to prove this, the birth of Christ took place. Now just put attention on the word 'Christ'. The name comes from 'Krist'. And 'Krist' comes from Krishna. Because he was Krishna’s son, so the name of father was continuing so his name was ‘Krist’. But his name was Jesus also that is because he was also the son of Radha. Radha thought that till today nowhere the name of Jasoda (Krishna’s foster mother) was mentioned. That's why Ya-sho-da means Jesus. Like we say Yasoda, we say Jesu. If someone's name is Jasoda he will be known as Jesu and Jasoda will be known as Jesu. Many people like in Maharashtra know him as 'Yeshu' and Jasoda as 'Jesu'. Now Christian will never come around this and for you also this is very difficult but all these people were from the same cast. Jesus has said 'Those who are not against me are with me'. Who are those people who are with him? He remained for just three years in the world, understand this. In just that everyone tortured him. In just three years he was crucified. How could he have completed his work? Even then he said ' I will appear before you like the tongues of flames'. These tounges of flames are just like the flames inside the kundalini. The chakras of kundalini are just like tounges of flame, living, emitting these flames. Especially the Sahasrara is very beautiful. Sahasrara has many colours of flame. And the one in the centre is very brilliant, transparent. And from the outside its orange and blue and slowly it turns the brilliant. Just like the lotus at the Sahasrara. It has one thousand petals. Now doctors say that there are nine hundred eighty nerves and two motor nerves. These types of useless arguments have no point. They must look after their Sahasrara. But you will not see anything. Because I have taken you through the centre, through the very subtle and taken you there. Therefore, you do not see anything. The same happened with Buddha. That's why we believe in the buddheshwar. The mother did not come to him to tell him how it's done. Spontaneously as he was lying down one day he got realized like Sahaja. And the kundalini went just through the middle and out. When you go through the middle of something you do not see from the outside. So, you do not see anything. If you see something, assume that you are on the outside. So, you don’t see anything. When you move through the inside you do not feel anything other than peace and thoughtlessness. This is the attribute of Sahaja yoga. As such so many people say that let us spin your Agnya chakra. Only the day before someone said this is the third eye, here at the place of Agnya chakra, right at the centre at optic thalamus where we have our optic nerves, nerves of our eyes and this is a delicate area. And the window of that is located outside where I have my sindoor (on the forehead), this is the window. When you spin it the wrong way it creates a short circuit and then what do you see then? It's a very important chakra, what below is Ganesha's swastika becomes the cross here. But the crucifixion of Christ is not his message. The message was the resurrection. Because the way Krishna had said that this body can be finished but the bramh tatva (vibration element) cannot, the one whose physical body was made of vibrations left the world along with his body. This is proof of the father and his words. This element does not get destroyed. You will be surprised that the mantra of vishuddhi chakra is ‘Alla ho Akbar’ your cold cough etc gets all right. If you are realized that is 'Alla ho Akbar' means Allah who is the Virat. And Virat is the description of Shri Krishna. Prophet Mohamed has himself described Shri Krishna with such fervour. Where ever he said about Allah he talked about Shri Krishna. Wherever Christ talked about his father, he talked about Shri Krishna. But he talked about formless because the people were caught up in petty things, you can say in our country only. First, there was talk about the one in the form. About the flowers, so people started saying sit on the flowers. No one talked about the nectar. Everyone got busy in idol worship. There is meaning in an idol, there is a meaning to everything because I told you that deities are sitting in all the chakras and each one of them has a meaning. But which idol is the right one? Which one is false? No one even knows this. There are so many idols that have bhoots sitting inside them. Most of the idol that they took away from here, just kept in their house, will get eventually stolen from the houses. If they hide in boxes, the whole box itself will get stolen. You can try it once. Those who give these types of idols put bhoots in them. Like giving a talisman or a ring. You can say that there are such horrible types of bhoots associated with them that you can be thrown back. There are even photographs like this. One such Babaji was used to doing this had his photo in a women's house. One of my disciples went there and just as she entered the place her head went out of order. She asked her is she was following any guru or babaji but got a reply that she has nothing of the sort. She opened her box and there was this small photograph of the babaji. 'You first throw this else I will go away and there will be no relation between us henceforth' She said. Between just an age of forty to fifty you are bound to get a heart attack. Tell me any followers of theirs who did not get a heart attack after the age of forty or fifty. Tell me, anyone. Especially if the wife is a follower the husband will surely get it. You can check if this is correct or not. I can give many examples of this. Who was the Wing Commander? He had come to me after a heart attack. I forgot his name. Yes, Mr Mehra and then another one Mr Nanda. He is the one and only, why do you want me to take his name? His actual name is Mahishasur. That Satya Saibaba. He is Asatya (untruth) that's why he prefixed Satya (truth) to his name. And the people who get the rings forget this. Now I met a rich man. I had gone to dinner to some minister's place and there he started to tell me 'see I got this ring. The cost of this ring is about 1-2 lacs'. I told him 'Oh so he gave you this ring but couldn't you buy such a ring from the market?’ But he is born for such fools only. Such people who have an excess of money more than their needs. In Sahaja Yoga, such wealthy will never come. Neither such type of rich nor the powerful. They will dance naked in front of Rajneesh. In our Maharashtra, there were one or two ministers who danced naked before Rajneesh. Some photos were taken and are being sold at very high rates in America. What does one say? There is no problem with that. There they will throng all ministers in front of these devils and rakshasas. They will go and say' Oh Babaji, please tell us'. And what do they say' There is this mister who is going to come to take my place? Please do something about him.' Is this the work of God? Then there are other such charlatans roaming around. There is one such in Nagpur. He will tell you the number of the horse. Now tell me is god concerned with the number on the horses? There are hordes at his place. There was someone at the shipping corporation. He was a deputy to my husband. He was a very humble man. He passed away. His daughter in law once came crying to me. I said ' What happened? Why are you crying? So, she said 'Mataji what do I tell you? My husband has sold off all my household. He gave away everything. And he has run away somewhere after selling everything away. Now, what to do?'. I said 'Very wicked of him. Where did he go?’ After that, his mother came to me. He started crying and asking about his son. I said that he is alive but don't know where. After that, she came back after about a year and started telling me ‘Found him, Found him’. I said ‘Where?’. He was somewhere in Nagpur and he is known as Gulab baba and he was the same person. When I went to Nagpur I sent a message that I’m coming to meet this Gulab baba. I did not see him for a year after that. Then the second year he again reappeared. This is their condition. All kinds of thieves and dacoits who have come out of jails are roaming around in the guise of babas. You think about it, suppose you are locked up in jail. The world comes to know about it and you face social disgrace. Then when you come out, if you are very clever and intelligent, what will you do? You will think let’s wear a gown and go to somewhere where we can start a shop. So, if he is a person from the north he will go to the south and if he is from the south, he will come to the north. After that you will see in a few days he will be going around wearing a string of beads. Some will be going around on elephants, some on horses, some on camels and some on donkeys. But where do you get such donkeys? In cities. Here people are more intelligent. They think that this person has come to give away their money to them. These donkeys live in cities and usually, they have excess money. Some donkeys also sit on powerful positions. They are good donkeys and are easily available. They do not think that we have occupied this high chair for a fleeting moment, that we have got this money for limited duration, that they have just come to occupy these places to guard them over. And then if you tell them ‘Son, you have to quit smuggling, this will not be acceptable in Sahaja Yoga. You must leave tobacco. You should quit drinking. All bad habit you have to drop'. Mataji is very bad. Why? Because she does not tell us to sit with trouble. Do smuggling and thuggery. Some gurus come to say goodbye to their disciples when they go to jail. There is another such character who gives names to his pupils. That's the kind of sway he has put over them. Ignorant people are there. Moneyed but ignorant. And the ones with power are fools. So, they get both of them as disciples these and them. They tell the rich that you put langar (free food camp). Guru should be served. Now there are so big camps organized for service. People think that these are being organized by the Babaji with his own money for this langar. That's the kind of service these gurus give. Suppose I'm in the middle of doing such langar. All the black money. Muktanand is one such sample. All the black money of Bombay goes to Muktanand. All hippies come there, all drugs are supplied there. They are comfortable doing all the drugs. It's allowed in their ashrams. Because it is part of their culture. Brother and sister sleep together, no problem. It is their culture. What can we do? We cannot disturb their culture. What can you do to disturb it? So now these people say that you get many saint and hermits; all white-skinned hermits. So, we are in their service. All the block(government) money is going there. To have the langars. And if you go to the feet of such babas you get bhoots inside yourselves. Another bhoot in someone else. They sell their drugs like hotcakes. Just go and get this verified. I had told you about Anand Marg in 1970. Let me tell you. They are of another variety, all of them of different varieties, you will be surprised to know about them. Now, these Anand Margis have latched on to another weakness of humans. They have come to know about the problem of hatred in humans, hate him, hate them, trouble him, trouble them, no one wants to use their sensibilities for this. We will make you powerful just using this hatred inside you, so powerful that your enemies will be destroyed. It will make it so powerful that don't ask. In the beginning, it's a bit slow. After this they make you do this and that. Now there is a lot of tantrism involved in this. Tantriks have just one way, very simple. That somehow anger the gods inside you. If you just make all gods angry, abuse, say their mantras, etc. Now consider some random tantric, you have a shiva on your heart and he will be someone holding a skull and body in his hands and say Shiv, Shiv, Shiv. Now Shivji will say just see the drama of this awful man. If someone wears the crown of a king and say Oh king, Oh king, then what will the king do? Put two slaps and put him in an asylum. But gods do not work like this. They say if he is gone, leave him. They pull away from their attention from there. At the maximum, they pull away. Sometimes they punish also but sometimes they leave that place. And the vacuum that is created at that place then, they start to do all the filthy things. And once the filth starts, they gain power and then trap everyone there itself. Similarly, give a mantra to someone. Someone was given ' Ai, Hi, Ki, Ko, Dhi, Dhi' anything they will give. There are devils by these names. These devils enter you and start to do their jobs. Only yesterday there was a woman who came to me saying that just three days ago, I went to this guru's place. In such a short period of this condition? The whole body was aching, blockade and very terrible condition. Did I say that in just three days you ate this there? You should have understood. Its mentioned clearly in Puranas that in the name of God there will be big dreadful devils who will come here and be called gurus. Will Ravan say that he is Ravan? If he says this he will be put behind bars first thing. Many devils (females) have come using different names. Hitler has taken birth. This has taken birth, that has taken birth. Hitler was also a big devil. He has again taken birth in this country. He must be having powers. Meaning that how to cast a spread, how to fill in a bhoot, how to do devil's expertise. All such are devils' expertise. There is only one thing about god, how to awaken your power. When I say that awaken your power they say' This just cannot be, we cannot believe'. Ok. have come for such intelligent people only. In a way, I have been telling you for a long time. That son, my place is actually in the villages. My place is not with these town dwellers. Now you said, therefore, I came to Delhi. Next time if you same mother come for a month. Ok, I will come for a month and do all the hard work. But howsoever amount of work one does, how much it will enter inside the heads of intellectuals here, I cannot say. ‘Mother please bless us'. I have already blessed the world. But in a village, there are more than seven hundred who achieve their self-realization in a thousand people. But in Delhi amongst the thousands, there will come only a handful maybe fifteen to twenty. In that maybe ten get self-realization and two melt away and another one will run away. Then the mother thinks that maybe its all wasted away. I just have this request from you that at least what you earn, do not fritter away. It has to be established, imbibed and taken towards the experience. Sacchidanand state is what? We have to achieve that. Above this is Sahasrara. Till today this was not opened. I have come many times and taken birth many times. Many of you know it but Sahasrara was not opened. Nothing happened except crying weeping and wasting away all such lives. You could not achieve anything. The opening of Sahasrara only happened in this birth. That too, I was working away in the nights' end on, I used to enter inside kundalinis of everyone to find out what the problem is in this motor and that motor. And that too by being with my family, the last stage of Sahaja yoga, which we say the opening of Sahasrara, has happened. That’s why we celebrate 5th May as the Sahastrar day. That day when the Sahasrara opened up, your Sahasrara also opened up. This means that day the super consciousness came into this world. That's why you all feel the vibrations. You may ask why not many years ago? Only one in many used to get this and could achieve much. Supra consciousness was needed. God's kingdom had to come. The sensitivity of that had to be spread in the world. Otherwise, the belief in God would have broken off. Else the world would have drowned away. And Satya yuga wouldn't have started. Satya yuga has started. And Satya yuga means that just any other worthless thing will not work. Satya yuga started from the day cancer started in this world. No hanky panky can go on now. You have to stand in dharma. If you do not stand in dharma, you will go towards excessiveness. Earlier you may have heard a lot of people who used to have one peg a day. Now it does not happen like that. Now a ten year or a fifteen-year-old boy who starts on alcohol turns alcoholic within two years. Everything has become speedy and because of speediness, it won’t work now. Man has to become dharmic now and rise in his dharma. One who does not rise will be defeated. He will have to see losses, mentally, physically, emotionally. All types of losses. And he will see in front of his eyes that he is getting all these painful things. He will understand this. This is a special time. You can say the time of transition to get down to Satya Yuga. Before fully getting down in Satya yuga, before establishing that your sensitivity should improve. This physical body of yours has the central nervous system and you should get the light of divine on your central nervous system. Till now it is only in the parasympathetic and you have god in your hearts. But this light should come onto your central nervous system and flow in the form of vibrations like it is described. When you understand this completely and study this only then Satya yuga will be established inside you fully. Till now no book has described which finger is connected to which chakra. I told you yesterday that the great saint Gagangiri Maharaj who is 105 years old also does not know how these chakras are caught. He says that we know it from the inside, just by going inside we come to know but we do not know anything about the fingers. This is just magical that even small little kids are telling you about the catches on their fingers. You have decoded this completely. What have these people done for you? These people from the city and the villagers, why are you giving them self realization? What is their speciality? What is so extraordinary about them? In what pattern, have you given birth to them? I said 'On the pattern of Ganesh. I have given them birth from Sahasrara'. You used to think that you have achieved a lot, I achieved this, I achieved that. Now sit. These are my children and they are the ones who will tell the world that there is god. Now he argues with me again and again and says 'Mother, You work till about 12 years and then I will come. I am occupied with these people now. They have made my condition worse'. But he said that if someone tries to trouble you, you send him to me. ' One person was troubling me for no reason. I told him to go to this guru and that he has called him.' I did not know what a weird person he was. So, he went. He turned up after ten days with his legs broken and tied to his shoulders. I just had tears in my eyes. I said what happened? Who did this to you? He started to say ’Mother, Save me. Save me.’ I said what happened. You had gone to this guru. That time you were going with great enthusiasm that you are going to this guru. He said that I was sleeping in the cave and in the night a leopard pushed me to ground. I said but what did you tell him? Mother, I made a mistake to talk ill about you. I talked bad about you. 'Then what did he say?'. He said' Let me see your mother on this. He did not say much at that moment. After this, the leopard threw me on the ground. After three days, I found myself with bones broken just lying there, in my own waste, totally shattered. Nothing to eat. Only after a few days, they offered a few morsels that too hanging from the air. After that they let me rot there for a few more days. Then they bought me up and informed my relatives. They told them to take me from there. They put my legs on my shoulder and packed me to take to you. She will only set him right. She is the only one who can forgive. I cannot. And if you say again I will detach your legs from your body. He held his ears and said that mother please do not send me again to him. Whatever it is, it is ok. Then I put his legs ok. Now he is fine. Going on. This is how it is. Now, these gurus also have their unique ways. I asked him 'Why don’t you give realization?’. He said’ I’m done with this giving realization thing. I had given it to one. Worked for twenty-five years, then he got realized. Just think about it’. He said’ Just imagine. From the time, I was a frog I have worked hard and after thousands of years, I have got realization. I felt vibrations. And I gave this fool his realization within twenty-five years. What is his name? Yes, Anna Maharaj. I said ' Fine. We will see what this Anna Maharaj is’. He said’ If I get hold of him I will beat him hard’. So, that Anna Manahraj had come somewhere so I said that if he is seen somewhere call me also. He was told that Mataji is coming. I went. He was smoking a cigarette in front of me and was talking in his Hyderabadi language something with these four or five women. Very comfortably he is sitting. I went. I said' How are you?'. He said ' My Guruji left his throne to meet you in Bombay. I said ‘Why not?’. After all, I’m his mother and he came to meet me. Do you have any objection?’. He said ‘He should not have done that, He is this and he is that. He is gone case and so forth.’ I said ‘Now see my way. He just broke your legs’. So, I put Kumkum to him and then as I was leaving I asked him to put Kumkum to my forehead. Just as he put on my Agnya chakra I just pulled him inside. He just started shaking ‘Mother, Mother, save me. Leave me’. I said first you tell me that you will not criticize your guru. 'No, I will not criticize my guru. Leave me', And secondly, you drop your habit of smoking. ‘Yes. Leave me. Leave me’. I said ‘Thirdly you should leave the company of women and go and sit in a jungle’. When he promised all three things only then I left his hands. Else he was almost fully sucked and he couldn’t move his fingers from there. That drama was seen by all of them for a whole five minutes. Then he left that place and now sits in jungles. But he still did his old ways. Then I came to know that he was asking people to give him gold rings, of one and a quarter tola and promised people that their problems will be over. 'Maharaj this is too much'. Ok, you give whatever you can if you cannot give a one and a quarter tola. Just give half a tola. Whatever you can manage. He collected thousands of tolas of gold like this. By god's blessing, he had a theft at his place and all his gold was stolen. So, he said ‘This is mother’s work’. I said ‘Mine? But I did not get that gold?'. Then what do you do? If you cannot get the work done simply then you have to turn to diplomacy. This is the place of Sahasrara. When the kundalini passes through the middle of this Sahasrara and pierces the fontanelle bone area then only you enter in superconsciousness. Now I will tell you, as I told you earlier, on the left-hand side is the subconscious and the collective subconscious. And on the right-hand side is the supra-conscious that we call as the pre-conscious mind and then beyond that is collective supra-conscious. Down below is the hell (below mooladhara) and above is the superconscious (above Sahasrara). So what happens is that when you become too much of a 'super' and people say that you have become a big monk or a nun, or some other such thing then you go on this side. From the supra-conscious, you get bhoots inside you. And these people who fill in very dynamic bhoots inside you, they take you in a trans for a while, you get speedy for a while but realize soon after that you start to shiver. You get body aches. You cannot sleep at night. Gets terrible. All the dead spirits in the supra-conscious, these dead spirits are very ambitious. Now one of them is this person (false guru) from Pondicherry. Till a moment, he was going fine. Till the time his kundalini rose to his Agnya, it was all fine. Just at that moment, this lady reached there. His kundalini just fell like a thud back and the bhoots from both the side came rushing inside. Now tell me do you find any sensible person from Pondicherry? Number one fighters, number one aggressors, most temperamental and thinking themselves to be extraordinarily intelligent. And if you talk to them they will talk so big. If you ask them if you are realized, quick will come the reply, 'Yes we are'. They used to all shake in front of me, the neck used to move like this. They used to say that mother is because of your power. So, I said those beside you must also be feeling the same power. Ask them, where did they come from? We realized the gentleman came from a lunatic asylum. This is the level of darkness. So much darkness that I just cannot tell you. Now let's move to Vrindavan. There they have all the followers of Kansa (Krishna's uncle from Mahabharat who wanted to kill Krishna) are nicely settled with names like Pandeyji, Dubeyji, Chaubey Ji with such big pot bellies. Just offer them some food or a cow or if nothing else a pair of slippers or shoes. Not even one genuine person that I could see there. I went everywhere for you. They said 'We bought the saree of Radha Ji for you'. I said 'Really?'. And asked what is the problem that you have? He said I have blood pressure. We do all the good work. We have served Radhaji a lot in Vrindavan. I said 'then how did you get blood pressure?'. 'We have that in our family'. I said 'ok'. And everyone passes away in our family at the age of 30-32. I said' Ok. If your family member passes away at the age of 30-32 by serving Radha Ji then what type of service are you rendering?'. And here I’m reducing everyone's blood pressure and your blood pressure is increasing. Now there are many such specimens in our country that squatter everywhere. Here it is alright. Shri Hanuman is awake. No doubt about this. He was awake. Now I don't know what is the condition right now. Maybe he might have disappeared from there by now. Because the attention gets removed. Same with me also. In my photograph the moment you remove your attention, the photo is gone. The photograph turns dark. Because my attention is pulled out from there. Some wrong actions like adultery going on, if my photograph is kept there, my attention is removed. If some person like that turns up, my attention is just pulled away. That's the problem with the gods. If Ganesha's attention is pulled away, you are gone. Then just losses upon losses. One is Ganesha and the second one is Hanuman and the third one is Bhairavnath. We should be very wary of these three persons. So Bhairavnathji was the one who was known as Saint Michael in the bible. And Hanumanji is saint Gabriel. They are the same beings and they are at these two chakras on the two channels to protect us. Here on this side, it is Bhairavnathji and on this side it is Hanumanji. But they have their limits. If you cross the limits then they direct you to get straightened. Like Shivji who is seated here. Shivji consumes all the poisonous elements of the world. He consumes because he is the one who can kill that poison. He only can consume it. Finish it off. Like the Devi is the one who consumes the rakshasas (devil). And now if someone asks the Devi why aren’t you a vegetarian? This is hypocrisy. She has to drink the dirty blood of raktabija (a devil) and she has to consume each and every rakshasa. How can she be a vegetarian? You should straight away interpret this. If there is someone who is a very big vegetarian then I ask him to come and at least touch non-vegetarian. Don't take to extremities. If you are so much made up of milk then you cannot stand with the Devi. You should think that Devi had to kill many thousands. Killed many crores of rakshasas. That Devi is Atisoumya (very soft) and for her children Atikaurya (very cruel). They were killed so brutally. If she wouldn't have killed them how would the children be saved? But I don't know where Hinduism started the concept of vegetarianism. If you believe in the Shakti if you are the devotee of the Devi where is the question of vegetarianism? Ofocurse this does not mean that you start eating horses, ox or buffalo. I don't mean that you start eating cows. But these small animals that are normally eaten by everyone, so do you mean Mohammed Sahib is then a gone case? Christians are gone case. All warrior class is gone. Rama and Krishna are gone. Every one of these is gone cases? Who is then left? Perhaps two or four ravanas who are ailing with tuberculosis and who will give realization to them? I’m not saying that you start eating meat. I don't mean that. If you don't like it, don't eat it. But that has no connection to your practice or your realization. But it is connected to how much is your attention on food. But alcohol under any circumstance is against the practice. If you ask me then I can eat ten raktabijas (devils) but I cannot consume a single drop of alcohol. Someone just managed to make me drink just a little and I was vomiting blood after that. So much. My husband pulled his ears that day that does not even give her a drop of this to my wife.' I have pain in my stomach'. I do not say anything to anyone. My stomach is like that. You must have seen that I ran away yesterday. There was some very bad man who came along here. Because of him, I had a very bad nabhi catch. I said now let’s throw him out and put him in hell. I have a pain in my stomach even if I see even a bit of something like this. If a naked woman or a cabaret dance is going on. I don’t have a problem but if you go somewhere you are forced, something that comes along with a government servant’s life. And a government servant should witness cabaret dance or his job doesn’t move. On top of that being a wife is an added trouble. Just keep mum. I just vomit there and then. What do I do? I don’t say anything. If I see any filth from anywhere this on its own, this dharma that is in our stomachs. How human beings rise in their realization and to what extent, this I explained to you today. Tomorrow I will tell you that how do you rise in realization within your state of mind, and how the state of nirvikalpa is established, and what are its indications. Whatever I said today, they have all written it down, perhaps they will make tapes and give it away here. But its important to have faith, faith with yourselves. You should try to go a bit deeper into this. In Delhi, those people who have dived deep have all gone deeper. No doubt about this. And those who have not, have not. They are stationed just there. Every year I witness they are standing just there. When there are ten people who gather in my name, there the power will manifest itself. And ‘Mother, I sit at home and do puja’. Nothing will happen. ‘Afterwards, I had a physical problem and other such sundry problem'. Next time they come they are complaining about other things. I'm not going to listen to this. You get well on your own. You make yourself healthy. After that, you start worrying about the world. I hope many people will get their realization today. Yesterday also many people had got their realization. Don't know how many of those came today. And many new people have come today. But how many of these are for real and how many fake, I come to know beforehand. One day a gentleman came along. I told him in advance that perhaps you should leave. You are not well. He did not listen. And then he started jumping here like a storm and then went away. He thought himself to be very intelligent. He started saying that in your kundalini a person should dance and jump, this and that. I told them to let him dance and jump. Who stopped him? But he should put up his tent and his own platform and do it there. Why should he do this here? Who invited him to jump and dance here? At least let me have my reign here. This is good. That we should put up the tent, advertise and he comes and jumps on our chairs. What calculation is this? If you want to go you should go your own way. We do not come your way to say please come. You came of your own will. Out of your delight. And went out a similar way. Please forgive us. And if you think that we are doing very bad karma and teaching people bad things, then you should give it in a newspaper. We will have no objection. And even if they write that Mataji says all these things, if someone says that we are teaching bad things then it is alright. Now let us go into meditation for a while. And get our realization. But I would want those who already got their realization should go a bit at the back. And give other’s a chance. Those who are already realized should learn how do we give realization to others. It's of utmost importance that unless you utilize your earned wealth, you will not understand what is this thing.

2/3/1978

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The three Gunas – The significance of Indian culture

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The three Gunas - The significance of Indian culture, Public Program, Delhi, India, 3rd February 1978 [English translation from Hindi] The energy which you are using is refilled by us. There is another modern disease which we call tension. 'Tension', People say 'I have tension', earlier nobody used to get tension. Naturally, you will get tension if you leave from old Delhi for Mataji's programme, thinking 'Must reach at 6:30!', 'Must sit at the front seat.' If you reach later, doesn't matter, you can arrive late also. You were supposed to come at this time so you came. Doesn't matter. What is the emergency? Where will I go and where will you go? We will sit, relax, talk, and that's how Sahaja yoga is done. Why make such a fuss about it? No need. Sit in a very comfortable, relaxed manner, that is how you will get your realisation. I have seen even in Sahaja yoga people plan like this. I laugh a lot. Like if you say that two days later fruits will ripen here, I will accept. If you say Two days later a fruit will ripen from a flower at exactly 6 minutes past 5, if you say so and can show me, then I'll accept your calibre. The more you plan before coming here the more obstructions are created for your Kundalini awakening. Sahaja samadhi should come, it happens spontaneously. Sahaja means in a simple manner. Only such people get it. Now, why are you beating, thrashing? What is the emergency? Recently we were having a program in Mumbai, one Gentleman said, 'Music is being played, Mataji, shall we play a bit? I said 'Ok, do it. We will sit in a relaxed manner. My vibrations keep flowing, you keep receiving them.' Now He performed for a slightly longer duration, people started saying, hurry up and finish it fast. I said 'Why? Do you want to hear my lecture? But I don't feel like speaking today. I speak when I want to, temperamental person, I don't feel like today. Then let me hear the music, you also listen with me. Why don't you relax, listen to music? Good music is on, Listen!' What calamity has struck? My vibrations are flowing whether I give a speech or not, they are working out. The vibrations are working out every moment. They don't stop, even for a moment! I don't understand what is so important in a lecture. Everyone is sitting peacefully, such good music is being played, then why are you shouting in between? We have developed this habit. Can't get rid of these habits. We never sit down, relax and talk to anyone for even 5 minutes. Say If your friend comes to your house you will say 'Come, have some food'. While your wife makes food, you will discuss politics. If there is nothing to do you will turn on the T.V. 'Everyone watch T.V!' Interact with each other, talk to each other! You have invited your friend to your house and you have turned on the T.V.? You part your ways as strangers. Then this is not friendship, with whom do you have a friendship? Nobody is your friend. Friendship comes when two people enjoy together. That's what is called friendship. Nowadays friendship means business, if not that, then they just sit and play cards. Still, it is ok. Then they start betting money on that, finished. You bet your money in a game of cards-- anyone who bets money on a game of cards finished. Now I say that you stay in balance. The way to stay in balance is to sit, to see, enjoy. In the morning the sun rises, see the sky, such beautiful colours come. They go away wasted, unseen. In the evening the sun goes down, such beautiful colours are created, all that to go the same way. So many flowers bloom, springs come, how many colours change, the same way all the work goes. So many people we meet, we meet everyone and go away without meeting anyone, we part our ways as strangers. We never know them! If somebody has died, 'Alright, we have sent flowers. Our job is finished.' Where the Rajo gun (Right side) is at maximum, the situation is like this, that if somebody's father has died, they announce in the newspaper. The fathers' there give money to someone long before their death, saying if I die, please have a suit stitched for me and dress me up in that, It is written there that on such and such day, you see on his body. They show them, 'We had a suit stitched for him, he is dead now.' People come, offer flowers and go home. That is the situation there. There is no interaction, there is no Dosti (friendship), no friendship between them, no recognition. Nothing. You go to your maternal grandmother's house and she says first put in 2 p in my telephone box, then only you can enter. You telephoned from my house that day and didn't pay the money, first give me the 2 p. Money is everything. In artificial life like this imbalance comes because then we have to live with that artificiality. You go to somebody's house, they invite you for dinner, if you reach at 08:30 instead of 8 O'clock they will start shouting at you. Don't you get food at your own house? If he's late, why are you so troubled? He comes at 8:30 if he wishes he can come at 9 O'clock. What happened? Come, sit down and relax. What do you need so much punctuality for? No need to be punctual more than it is necessary. Yes, we should be punctual in one thing, towards the call of God, that's what we should be punctual about. At this moment God's attention is on us, get into meditation that instant. Vibrations are coming, just get into meditation. We are not punctual in this context. What will it do, what did we achieve by being punctual? These suicides! The countries who have been very punctual, what did they achieve out of it? They commit suicide with punctuality, they even write the time at which they have to commit suicide. We used to have punctuality in olden times. Like we see the Panchang (Indian calendar), that's how we create punctuality. This time is auspicious, at this time doing this will be good. At least in that we little bit consulted God Almighty. We consulted him for giving and receiving something, but the way we are punctual nowadays, it's completely mechanical. You all will get bored with your lives, you will get fed up with your life, you will panic. Same, waking up every morning, shaving again, washing your face, going to the office, the same habits. Then coming back home, same things. You will be panicked. When you will panic, then what will start? The same thing which is happening there, Gaanja, LSD, if that is not sufficient, they will remain unconscious all the time. Means escapism, run, 'What is the need to live in this world?' When a human being gets bored with his life then he seeks an escapist life. A Human being gets bored because he doesn't know himself. When you know yourself then you get in a state of joy because you are so beautiful inside, so much organised and so sweet, that you don't need anyone else. Then you just sit with yourself, it's so fun! When you are alone, then you are in the best state. You watch your own life, you see the heaven which is your own, inside your own being. Yes, when you meet others, you see that they are our companions in this heaven. Like when two drunkards get together, then they get joy, nobody drinks alone. Such hangover lives throughout life. If you want to get such a kingdom, then you should also be kingly from the inside. You have to get balance inside and it comes from Dharmà. When I talk about Dharmà, I never mean Hindu, Muslim, you can understand that thing. I don't believe in these little little nests. I don't believe in these illusions which have been created by human beings. They are useless. Breaking these chains now Sahaja yoga has come up. But dharmà means that the sustenance power which is within us, the Dharmà which is innately established, which is in every cell of our being, it should be awakened. Yesterday I told you that there are many Dharmàs. One of them is- you will be surprised- the greatest Dharmà is that All religions are equal. Gandhi Ji said that all religions are equal, means the tattwa (essence, principle) of all the religions is the same, you should understand this. The energy which flows inside the tree goes everywhere, it goes into the roots, in the trunk, into the leaves, flowers and then it goes back. It does get attached to any place. This type of love which is unconditional, which is detached, is a power, in that power, a principle is working out everywhere, the same way, one principle is working out in every religion. And that, to the point, the simple principle is just that, when Dharmà gets manifested within ourselves, when we get nourished by the principle of any dharmà, when we fully establish the tattwa within ourselves, then we can get our evolution. Like Hindus should only learn one essence, that "In everyone resides the same spirit". The Caste and creed are not determined by your birth, but by your actions. That is the essence of Hinduism, we don't have to find another one. If you have achieved this essence then only you are a true Hindu, otherwise, you are not a Hindu. Either they call themselves Muslims, or they call themselves Christians, One power, we are the worshippers of the Divine power, the same power resides in everyone, whatever deed a human being does he should be known by his actions. The one who performs religious rituals is a Brahman (Priest), all the Sahaja yogis are brahmans. The one who is lost in Brahma (God almighty) is a Brahman (Priest. The one who seeks joy in power is a Kshatriya (Warrior), the one who seeks joy in money is a Vaishya (Businessman), the one who seeks joy in serving others is Shudhra (Lower caste). You will be amazed. We have great ideas about serving others, 'We should serve everyone, take care of this one, take care of that one!' Now let's see why they were called Shudras, it is something to think about. It's a great surprise if somebody serves others why is he called shudra (low)? It's a subtle thing. If you can understand this subtle thing, then you can understand Hinduism. The one who serves others is a shudra because there is no other. Suppose If I make you alright if I massage you if I make your head alright, then I am curing myself because my own head is catching. Yours is catching, you are my part parcel if I don't correct it, my part and parcel, then I suffer. There is not the other. The one who gets the idea that 'I am serving this person', is a very low-level idea. The one who thinks that I have built very big, great orphanages, that I'll go and serve the poor people! Who is poor? You are poor. Poverty troubles me because it is the part and parcel of my being. If somebody is poor in this world, then it is an insult for me, I am poor. Such great, high vision if you see going down to such low standards, that is why it happens. No Emperor says that I am serving anyone. He gives, it just flows from him, he doesn't serve anyone. In the idea of serving others there is a very subtle, foolish ego working. Whom are you obliging? They all are part and parcel of your being, that's why when you get the collective consciousness you are amazed if somebody's Vishuddhi is caught up, if somebody's sick, then you also catch. Then you say, mother, his Vishuddhi is caught up, clear him fast. Because you can't bear it. Because he becomes the part and parcel of your being, they say, mother, see he's catching, means you are catching. See how much you become one. Like we don't give lectures now that, "Yes, All religions are one and the same". Hindus, Muslims, Parsis, Christians all are one, we need not say that. It happens. Anybody comes your way you'll say, see mother, he's catching this. Your finger is catching, you say he's catching. Like you make your finger alright, he also becomes alright and you also become alright. It is a very subtle thing. Only those who are subtle enough can understand this subtle thing. That's why the one who says that 'I am a great obliger in this world, others, helping others, I distribute sweets, I have organised these Langars (free food for anyone to eat)' is the greatest idiot, is a very low person. Human beings have no right to oblige anyone. There is only one who obliges and that is the Divine power. He is also obliging himself, not others. When he gets upset with himself he destroys Everything. When he gets pleased with himself then he makes everything alright, and when he has to oblige someone, he gives salvation to the whole world. Because the whole world is God himself, the whole world is the part and parcel of the Viràta (cosmic being). Like, understand that, like this is the light of God almighty and if the picture of the Viràta is in front of it, whatever vibrations are coming through it, in them resides the whole world. Now if the Viràta has some problem, then it will show there. If there is some problem there, then it will show here. Without correcting it, the Viràta will not be alright, and they will not be able to get any relief. I am telling you the truth. You will be surprised that once my foot got hurt, and there was a doctor with me and she said, 'I'll give you vibrations'. I said, 'ok, come, my child, give vibrations'. As soon as she put her hand on my foot, the vibrations started coming like a machine gun. Means that when someplace gets hurt, vibrations start flowing 2 times more from there. When I get tired, then the treble vibrations flow three times more than usual. When I get sick, then you will get vibrations as if you are sick. Say many people in Delhi are ill because of the flu, then I will also get the flu and whatever vibrations will flow will cure your flu. When they will go away, then I will also become alright. It is a strange thing! It exists. That's what happens. It is a very subtle thing, which you should understand, you should see it, and experience it. There are some of you here who have seen it. That's what happens. Like inside us antibodies develop, and they start flowing. That is why for our balance, which I have said since long, the most important thing is that we should understand the essence of Dharmà. All religions are equal. A very important thing. If there is any obstinate person here, they have made many, many examples of obstinacy. Hinduism has only one good thing about it, and that is, they didn't put someone in charge in any of the castes, that he is Christ and he is Mohammed Sahib. This is one good thing but they thought many have left, put somebody else, all the Christians are saved, all the Muslims are alright, what should we do about it? They said, ok, this doesn't work so let's find some other cure. Then what cure did they find, all this Caste and creed business they created. Human beings are such that, they never learn. Christians will say, only Lord Jesus came on this Earth, nobody else came. Then Christ also left all these things in their heads. But Christ himself said, "Those who are not against me, are with me." Now, who are those? Mohammed Sahib has also said, very much, if you read him. Many Paegambers (Prophets) came on this Earth. They stamped down that, no other prophet will ever come on this Earth. Christ has said "I am the light, I am the path", ok, he said he is the light, he is the path but who is the destination? Who is the beginning? There is light, there is the path, other things are also there, there is also way backwards and forward. Krishna said "Sarva Dharmanaam paritajya mamekam sharanam vraj", then people say everyone should become a Hindu. That means we are so gross. Whatever anybody said, they turned it really gross. Human beings have become very clever in turning every principle so low, so gross. Whatever subtlety we had, we have been losing it. Yesterday I told you about the Kundalini and the chakras. What is Kundalini, how does it arise, how does it climb, and so on? Kundalini is a subtle power. The actual power of Sadashivà always resides on the top of our head, and the power of Sadashivà is the Brahma Shakti (cosmic/primordial energy). Now, who is Sadashivà, let's talk about that. Now understand that Sadashivà and the Shakti (power of God almighty) is the same thing, like the sun and the sunlight. But when it was the time to create, creation was done many times, not once but many times, so at that time Sadashivà and Shakti separated. They became two parts, Shakti creates and Sadashivà, he sees Everything as a detached witness. It is Shakti's work. Shakti works it out. Now we'll understand the Shakti, now suppose, today power has come here, you can see the light in front of you. But you know that you can also use this light to operate the gas, you can use this light to operate the fans, this light you can also convert into a magnet. But you cannot understand the power which does all the work, which organises everything, which cooperates, which integrates, and which loves. But you cannot understand the power which loves and because of love, all the work is done. Through love only, it knows and understands everything, and with love only it does all the work. You cannot understand such power. I am talking about the same power, and that power is the integrated form of all the powers, in that resides the electricity, the magnet is there, light is there, all the elements reside in that power. Now you see here, this picture we have made, of the Virata, on its head resides the Shakti of Sadashivà, and it is also the seed of Sadashivà, that is why his Shakti resides there. It has three parts. You see from up there, I have told you when it is released from there, one comes like this, one comes like this and one comes from the middle, and one who himself is Sadashivà, he governs, affects the heart. These three powers are called Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali, they are symbolised as three. In the English language, there is no name for these three powers, I don't know what they are called in the English language. You will say it is a very out of date thing. Because whatever is Sanatan (primordial) in our Country has gone out of date, and whatever belongs to the English has become the best. When Sahaja Yoga will spread from England, America, and will come here then they will understand. We don't understand simple things. When English is writing about Sahaja Yoga, two are writing about me, one is English and one French, when they will come with letters, then all the Ladies, all the Gentlemen here, who are English except that they don't have a tailcoat, those ladies and gentlemen-- because we have very few Indians here. All the English are still guiding us. They are called Mahakali, Mahasaraswati, Mahalakshmi. The Sanskrit language has one speciality, that every single alphabet is a mantra. In Devnagari Lipi every single Akshar (alphabet)-- A+kshar, is not kshar, this a, aa, e, ee, whatever is there, it all moves in the Kundalini. There the word sounds. We have learnt these alphabets in Manan (introspection/Meditation) and have then written them down. English they speak like a Magar (crocodile), that is how we have learnt 'M.' We have no relation with any crocodile. They have learnt the language from the animals and we have learnt the language from the Kundalini, which flows inside us. When the Kundalini moves like this then it makes sounds like this "Sh", "Sh", "Sh", here. Is that right? Everywhere it has different words like here it is "Ham", "Sham", two words come here. They exist, which we write as "Om", aa, like they write, the one which you write "Om" in Lipi, you can see here that the Om resides here. When the Kundalini is awakened, then when the light shines here, then the Chakra which is here, Om is written the same way here as you write. And the A, aa, e, ee which is written here, you write too. In Devnagari, in Sanskrit, inside us too when the Kundalini rises, at that moment when the Kundalini reaches that point, then a sound is created and it gets written there. How detailed it is. What is your culture and where has it come from? It all has come from introspection, it is not something artificial which we have learnt from outside. But here Sanskrit language belongs to the Pandits, fools and donkeys, who don't even know how to pronounce it. They don't understand the essence of it! They are all foreigners, They read Shaili and Katiss. This language appears and is written inside us. Writing every single alphabet has a great meaning. How Om came to be? That is how Om is created, absolutely Om is written there. I am rotating my finger like this, your Agnya is also rotating. How scientific it is because it is related to reality. What can be more scientific than this? Till you say a Shloka (Praise to the deity) in Sanskrit, my chakras don't work out, how surprising! But If you say it in the English language then it works. Only on the Agnya chakra, Jesus Christ's which he wrote himself, because this is the centre of Christ, for that he has written in the Hebrew language, the Lord's prayer, that works out, but If one says it in English that also works. But here also Kshama Swaroopini (The form of forgiveness), Kshama we have to say because here the word "Ksh" resides, so we have to say forgive, whatever we may say but we have to say 'I forgive'. So much in our Sanskrit language, see how many foundations it has, how deep it is and how subtle? So these three which I told you Mahakaali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, these three powers are inside us, these are the ones who are called as "Aim", "Rim", "Hrim", because their integration is "Klim", that's how it is. "Ra" is the word for energy, like Radha. 'Ra' means energy and 'Dha' means the one who sustains the energy. The meaning of Radha, Krishna, I told you comes from the word krishi (agriculture). Now the "Kr" word, saying Krishna's name, immediately the Vishuddhi clears out. You have to say Krishna's name because Krishna is related to this centre. If he is related to the Vishuddhi then his name can only be Krishna. How scientific it is, you tell, how subtle? But Sahaja Yoga is the path of love, and in love, there is no need to go too deep into these things. "Ek hi akshar prem ka padhe sau pandit hoye'' (Learning one word of love is sufficient to make one equal to 100 priests.) That is what Sahaja Yoga is. There is no need for you to be a great Pandit, "Padhi padhi pandit murakh bhaye" (Sometimes reading and getting too much worldly knowledge of spirituality makes you a fool). Those Pandits who came here, god save from them, they said that we have learnt the whole Guru Granth Sahib by heart. I said 'Oh really, what is that?' 'The same thing which you say, he said the same, that "Mann mein hi khojo" (Seek within yourself)' I said 'You have just memorised it, you haven't tried to find it, no?' Seek? Should seek it. It has become like this "Mantram amantram aksharam nasit, nasit moolam anshanam, ayogya purshoh nasit, yogakah sah durlabham" (The mantras, invitations, invocations to the Divine have no importance to the one who is not deserving, and for one who is deserving, the mantras are inaccessible. CAN'T SAY IF ITS CORRECT BUT FEEL IT IS RIGHT ) The Mantras are in everything, but one should know the plan. Some bhoots have come here, Rakshasas, they will give you the mantras "Aim", "Rim", "Klim", 'Say, Om, say Klim'. Ask them what is it? They will not be able to tell you anything. Even if they tell you something, they must have read it from somewhere, what Chakra are you catching now? They have given you the mantras "Aim", "Rim", "Klim'", is it written anywhere in the Shastras which Chakra you are catching on? If your left side is caught up then you should be given the mantra of the left side, if your right side is caught up then you should be given the mantra of the right side, and if your centre one is caught up then you should be given the mantra of the centre. Now these three which you can see here, Mahakali resides on the left side. She sustains the Tamo guna. Tamo guna resides within us. It is also called Chandra Nadi. Now see how Bhagawati created this mother Earth. First Bhagawati took some part of the sun. Then she took the part far away, far away from the sun, so then it became cold, like ice. Then she brought it slowly, slowly towards the sun. It started melting, because of that the water started flowing. Then she again took it far away and then she again put it near the sun, adjusted it so that the world can exist, so that life can be sustained, all this universe moves in a spiral way, in a spiral way. Whatever I am telling you, maybe people will say in a hundred years. Whatever I said a few days back, people have started saying the same. That balanced movement of the spiral, causes one to be sometimes more towards the sun and sometimes more towards the moon. So the Sun channel and Moon channel, we have two channels. The one which is on the right side is called Surya Nadi, and the Chandra Nadi is, which is on the left side, is also called Ida Nadi. This is also mixed up. I see that there is so much confusion, so much confusion. The channel which is on the Right side is called Pingala Nadi, the right side channel is Surya Nadi, the channel of the left side is Chandra Nadi. When you Balance both of them then you come into the centre. If one goes to one extreme, then like a pendulum, if you go to one side then you start to go to the other side. Like I told you that wherever the Rajo guna is too much in the west, they have started going towards the Tamo guna. When it became too much they started committing suicide, if not that, then drinking alcohol, taking gaanja, all types of things, so that they can get balance. If the pendulum goes there, then from there it runs to the other side. Between this side and that, in the centre lies balance, in the core and in that there is a gap, that is the void, that is what we call void. In the Jain system, if you read Jain, it is all Sahaja Yoga, if you read Kabir, it is all Sahaja Yoga, if you read Guru Nanak, it is all Sahaja Yoga, if you read Krishna, it is all Sahaja Yoga, if you read Ram, it is all Sahaja Yoga. Christ if you read, it is all Sahaja Yoga, Quran if you read, it is all Sahaja Yoga. Everything is Sahaja Yoga. The way of saying may be different but the joy is the same. Now the Void which is in the centre, this is the Bhavasagara (ocean of illusions) and there are no stairs to climb out of it. Suppose there are two stairs placed like this, but the middle one is half falling, and the way to climb it is below the Kundalini. This Kundalini has to cross this bridge, has to fill this gap, it is very simple and easy, not very far. Now, this Kundalini is your mother. She took birth with you in many lives. She resides within you. Even after death, the Spirit and the Kundalini are up there to accompany the Jiv Atma (Soul). Every moment it is there within you, and it is also the record book of the subconscious. The Kundalini is Gauri, meaning that it is a part of Mahakali. It is a part of Mahakali. The power which is in the centre, which we call as creative power, or which we call as an evolutionary power, which we call as Mahalakshmi's power, is not this power. This is the power of your subconscious, whatever is your past, whatever are your karmas (deeds), whatever happened to you, that you should understand. So the Kundalini is the part of it. And that which is the Void is governed by Saraswati. Because I told you, that a lotus sprout from the centre of the Nabhi and Brahmadeva sits on it, that's everything, he does all the creative work. That's why the Void has creative power. You know it is there. This creative work is about the five elements, the mind is also created from these. The mind is also a part of them. One is the power of existence and one is the power of action, of creativity. When it works like this, understand that there is a byproduct in the factory, two types of byproducts we get, one by product which goes up from the left side, it comes here to this side, the right side. We call it superego, and the other one which comes because of the working of the right side is ego. Those who use their right side, those who are called as Rajo gunis are ego-oriented people, they work through their ego. And the one who is left-sided is the superego one, many of you are psychologists, they will explain to you. Say there is a child who is drinking milk in his mother's lap, relaxing. He is in complete joy. At that time when his mother moves him to the other side, his ego reacts, he says, "What did you do?" He gets angry. His mother scolds him, "Don't do like this". Superego is created. When we desire to do something, it is out of ego and when it is pressurised, that is the superego. That's how these two things are created within us, ego and superego. From one thing we say that "We will do it", and from the other thing we say, "No, don't do this." 'My father said that it will not benefit us.' Now it is not necessary that whatever your father said was right, sometimes we say right things and sometimes we say wrong. These types of two powers work within us, or we can say that one gives us the power to desire, and the second power is the one by which we can create. If the power of desire and the power of creativity get balanced or the ones which we call as ego, superego gets balanced, then you can see that the rising of the Kundalini will become so easy because the weight in the head will get balanced, the Kundalini will be able to pass the gap very easily. That is why balance is so important. That is why today I am speaking about balance, after describing everything, I come back to balance. If you are not in balance, then the Kundalini will not rise above the Brahmarandhra (Fontanelle bone area/Sahasrara). It is very important to establish a balance. And for that balance, I say to you, that do left to the right because the ego here has grown much. Full of ego. The balloon of superego here has been pressed down by ego. So I say to you that, you raise it like this, superego will rise and the ego will go down. Again you raise it, again you do it, slowly doing it, it will be completely balanced. For that also you have to put your hand towards me, your hands are not going to work out anything. As soon as you get in the centre the Kundalini will shoot up. Kundalini knows everything, understands everything, everything about you. She knows your past. Whatever mistakes you committed, whatever injustice you did with yourself, like if you went to some Guru, your Kundalini knows. She will not rise, frozen Kundalini. That is why you must have seen, somebody says that I had a Guru, I clasp my head in my hands, the situation is hopeless for the Kundalini to rise now, tell him good-bye. What can we do? Now people think that why Mataji criticizes the Gurus? Because if they freeze your Kundalini then what can I do? The second thing is what will happen to you? How destructive it is? You see for yourself. You don't get your evolution, you cannot give realisation, life afterlife you cannot get your realisation. realisation. And even after saying this, they say that our Guru is very good. Do they think it over? Are they possessed or something? No matter how much they trouble them, no matter how much they suffer, their bones may break, their heart may die, but even then, 'Mother, our Guru is very great.' What is the reason? The reason is very simple, that there is something which has got hold of you. You don't want to think about what is the truth. Now if there is someone whose ego is very much bloated, there are many ways, which I have told you about. Ego is such an illness that you are not able to detect it at all. If your Tamo guna, superego is more active, then you get pains in your body, 'Mother I have pain here, my legs are jammed, don't know who is sitting in my neck', you feel it. But the ego is always sitting on top, it rides on a horse. If you listen to it, then it starts giving me a lecture. I went to some ministers, and they started lecturing me, here you all were going to have a programme, and I was listening to their lecture, I said very well. They give lectures every day, couldn't they get anyone else to listen to them? Ok then, go on. Your wish will be fulfilled. Here you all were sitting waiting for me, and I was sitting there. That is why ego is such a thing, that once it gets into your head then it is very difficult to make you understand anything. Ego is also very subtle like somebody has read something, then, 'I do not believe that mother can awaken the Kundalini.' Now, sir, your faith does not exist. 'I cannot believe it', do you believe in anything? What have you known, what have you seen? You come and see. You believe it or not, how does it matter to God? 'I believe in God', which country's Plato are you? Did you create this universe, Did your father create this universe? The tree under which you are sitting, was it made by you? 'I have complete faith in God', the one who talks like this is too much. The one who has created the whole Universe, the one who has made this world, has made you, your children, the one who is shining in this Universe, because of whose grace everything is done, if you believe in him, you are doing a big obligation! You do not have faith in God, who can be more intelligent than you? This is all nonsense. When I took my birth, I thought which metal asylum I have landed in? Then they say 'Yes I know everything, Mataji, yes I read that Mother I have read the whole book, there.' Now the book you can publish from anywhere, in any publishing house it can be published. Anyone can publish, anyone who wishes can, and if someone wants to publish something related to God, then there are no rules. There are no rules and regulations, nobody can ask him, why have you published this? And if somebody says that God is like this, 'Yes, it is so'. If they say God is in such a condition, then they believe it. Is there any regulation, any rule where you can say that, don't you dare, who are you to talk about God? From Hitler to Napoleon everyone gave lectures about God, nobody missed the chance. Everyone thinks that they have a right to lecture others about God. Ask them, what do you know about God, why do you speak about him? 'I have written so many books, I have read such and such a book, I went to America, I have given so many lectures, I have read so many lectures', everyone, everyone, it is very subtle aggression. You have not been able to understand this. It is an aggression on the intellect of human beings, they give you a mental feast. He started talking about God, you started listening, 'This gentleman speaks very well.' There is one gentleman, he gives such a good lecture, that you just listen and listen, you don't know when the time flies! Good entertainment. Not everyone is allowed to speak about God, and nobody is at all allowed to comment on, or explain Gita, and they give lectures and lectures on Gita. 'Mataji I'm going to hear the lecture on Gita', and your Agnya Chakra is caught up. 'So should I not go to the lecture?' 'Son, the one who is explaining Gita to you, is he a realised Soul?' Before getting your realisation, you have no right to talk about Dharmà and no right to talk about Gita. The one who gives lectures before getting realisation is like a blind man guiding your way. But there is no way you can see, who is blind about Dharmà and who is not. And you should definitely not listen to the one who speaks about Virah (separation). Why should we listen to the one who sings the songs of separation? We are in separation, he is also in separation, that's why we enjoy it. Like Soordas Ji is there, he used to cry in separation, then everybody feels good. We are blind, he is blind, all blind people are singing. He went to Vallabhacharya Ji, Vallabhacharya said 'Kaahe ghighiyawat ho?' (Why are you weeping, begging?) The one who is one with God cannot understand, why are you singing about separation. Everyone likes such a song 'God, When will you meet me?' Some people like such useless, fake dramas also. In this sad state of separation, everyone has become Devdas. ?Devdas kate ghaas?, I say this. So many poems on such sad, depressive situations, and so much about separation! Oh God! When will they get wisdom? Separation people enjoy very much. Poems and poems are written on this subject. But the one who has met and is in unity, how can he sing songs of separation? It is a simple thing, the one who is in unity with God, how can he talk about separation? He will say, 'I am the light, I am the path', he will say, "Sarva Dharmanaam paritajya mamekam sharanam Vraja" (Surrender all your Dharmàs to me). He will have authority. He will not be scared of anybody's father, he will not beg, cry. If you want to come, come, otherwise, go. Kabir is the face of that, people made fun of him, siddhukaddhi language? In our country, Hindi speakers make fun of Kabir. Tell me if even one of them is equal to even the dust of Kabir's feet. They got after Markandeya Ji. 'He has these defects, his Vadmay has these mistakes.' They like Umarkhaiyaam because he writes in his? Pinak? All these people only write in PINAK, most of the Ghazals I have seen are written in PINAK. I feel repulsive the way people start crying in separation, sitting, singing Ghazals. Did this in any way helped others, no question. These are the symptoms of Tamo guna. Always singing virah, crying, talking about separation. Talk about meeting God, get one with God, and when the time is here, we do not believe that we can be one with the Divine. Then they will sit, crying. First, they will say 'Come, come, come', and now when he has come, is standing in front of you, then they say 'We cannot believe that it is the truth'! That is what the world is like, what can we say? Why did you call, first of all? When you have called him, he has come, then you say we cannot believe that you have come, let us cry, for now, they are busy crying. Till they finish crying, everything will be finished. They will play music, and call God for hours, 'God please come, God please come, Darshan do (please show yourself), let us meet you, show yourself', and what will you do by seeing him? We should become something, something should happen, a happening should take place. This is about becoming, not talking through the hat. But human beings live with satisfaction because they are superficial. They get satisfaction if someone is always attracting them. They are sitting, singing bhajans, for hours together, 'Ghat hi Khoja Bhai, ghat hi khojo Bhai, ghat hi khojo Bhai' (Seek within). Ghat hi khojo Bhai, who are the ones, who are going to seek it? Whom are you lecturing? That is said by those who sought and have found it, now whom are you lecturing? That was told to them, that you seek within. He said that take this medicine for your headache, and you are chanting the prescription from morning to evening! What benefit are you going to get from this? Who has been benefited by doing all this? By singing bhajans, have you ever seen even one person getting benefitted? In the end, the same people put their heads and legs in the air, doing drama, screaming from morning till evening. They will get cancer of the throat. Now the time has come, that you shouldn't do such foolish things too much, otherwise you will get throat cancer. Uselessly if they will roam, singing songs, then they will get cancer of the throat. Who told you to do so much of Dravidi Pranayam (a type of a Yoga)? That sing in such a way that the nerves of your throat almost break? When you have said once, it's done, 'Come here', He will come, what is the need to break your veins and ruin your Vishuddhi Chakra so much? I don't understand. They come here, 'Mataji, we used to say this Mantra.' 'How many times?' 'Everyday day, it used to be at least 108 times.' Who told you to say 108 times? Say once, with folded hands in prayer, you will be looked after by Shri Ram, is done. Is he your servant, that you are ordering him morning till evening? Now if you do this to someone all the time, then the attention of God will move away from there. Sir, I get a headache, if someone says Mataji the 4th time, I say, what do you want? You see from the point of view of God, if someone always keeps calling you, 108 times, you will say 'please shut up'. Now my granddaughter was there, we went to Bihar, she is a realised soul, she is a very funny person. She must be around 5, 6 years old, she said 'Nani (Grandmother), everything has gone very wrong here, in the temple, they are singing, night and day, hey ram, hey ram, but God ran away from there long ago, that I know, but now I will also run away from here.' She said 'Listening to them my ears have started paining, you too run away from here.' Such useless people they are. Such a little child understands. He went to Ladakh, his father, a lama was sitting. Now you see such a little child, 6 years old. Now everyone was going, and touching the feet of Mr lama. Now she is a realised soul, She knows who is realised. She saw her mother touch his feet, her father touches his feet, She could not bear it any longer. Again her pride came in. She went and stood in front of him and said, 'Shaving your head, wearing a cloak, you are making others touch your feet? You are not realised.' Everyone felt embarrassed, scared, the mother, father. What has this child done? 'Right I am, why is he making others touch his feet? Why do you touch his feet? He is not a realised soul at all. He has just shaved his head, dressed up in a cloak, and is sitting with such an expression.' She showed him the mirror. She is not afraid of anyone. If you can meet God by shaving your head, then all the sheep should have reached God at the earliest. Kabir's sense of humour was marvellous. Now this crying of theirs has reached such a limit that, they are now shouting, because Hasan, Hussain died. They have created such a chaotic atmosphere, seeing such sad faces, heart, mind gets disturbed. If some deity was to come, he would also run back. Where are these crying, weeping people? Even animals don't cry so much, nobody cries so much. This is a weird style of human beings if they start crying, then they are just crying. Okay, that done, after doing that if they still don't get satisfaction, then they will fast on the birthday of the deity. What is a greater insult than this? What can be a greater insult than this, for anyone? Supposing somebody comes to your house and says that, I am not eating today. He will say that I am going home. If you want someone to go away from your house just say, 'I will not eat today'. He will say, 'Ok, I will go to the hotel, straight forward.' In your house Krishna is born, Rama is born, still, you are fasting. What is this way? What is a greater way to insult than this? Tomorrow if I come to your house, supposing Shri Mataji comes to your house, you say 'I am fasting', then, why have you invited me? When someone like these come, when great people take birth, at that time, we should celebrate, we should enjoy, we should serve food to everyone. Ganesha likes Modak (Sweets), then distribute modakas. They fast on that day. And on the day of Narak chaturdashi, they will wake up at 4 am, take their baths and eat their food. See, such contrary things, cannot understand. Who taught you this? Either the Pandits have made fools out of you or it is the business of the Rakshasas. I don't understand that, from where these juxtaposed things have come to U.P.? In the north, it is worse, so much worse that nobody knows Sanskrit here. Nobody understands anything, whatever the Brahman (Priest) says, offer that, alright, whatever devotion you have, give it to the Brahman. Brahmans have an agency here. The most amazing thing is that, when I got married, I got married in U.P., We went to the house, and you will be surprised that, the Pandit was singing Shraadh yog (Mantras of Shradh, Shradh is done to please God so that he gives peace to the souls of those who have passed away)! He was singing only those mantras! I couldn't stop laughing, my stomach started aching. If I want to go, where should I go? I am the daughter-in-law of this house, I am new here. Beaten by laughter, I said, 'I am feeling sleepy. 'It is suchsuch an auspicious time, and you are going to sleep?' I said, 'what can I do?' 'Why are you laughing?' How do I say to them, that the Pandit only knew some mantras of the Pitra paksha (father's side) and he is repeating them? Should I say, what is this drama, he doesn't even know a single Shloka? He is a Brahman and has been coming for many generations. I said, who can talk to them now? He must have done all the marriages in the family, the same way, he was given utensils, he also gets cows. Now there are cows and cows in his house, and that is how the things of Dharmà are made, that's how all the rituals are made! We think that, get rid of it. Now shradh is performed, so they say that 'Give us a cow, give us cloth and give us a saree (traditional dress for women in India) for my Brahmani (wife of the brahman), your mother will wear it.' You think, alright, get rid of him, it is very difficult to give a cow, then just give him a saree. Nobody thinks that whatever we are doing, with what feeling are we doing that? What should we do, what should we give, what is Dharmà, that we should find out. What is it about? Nobody thinks like this, that is why we do not get balance. Just work is on, work on, go on, work it out anyhow. Somebody, 'Yes, yes how are you, are you good, sit down, yes it is alright.' Then he went and found out that he is a very big goon. He stole from such and such a person's house, this much he took away. Then he came, 'let's eat paan.' When day and night human beings live superficially like this, they don't get deeper, and that is why the Kundalini does not rise, not even by following religions, not even if you search. Even if you seek God. Like there is Guru shopping in America, the same way Guru shopping is done here also! 'No I just went, I saw, I touched his feet, I met him, asked for prasad (the food items offered to the deity, which are then given to the devotees), I went to see him, Mother'. In that meeting, he must have put bhoots inside you? 'I went to see him.' But this Kundalini is not getting awakened, what can I do? How does it matter to him? It is a very deep and subtle thing, the awakening of the Kundalini, and the rising of the Kundalini also is a very subtle thing. If you do not look after it, if your thoughts are not so subtle then the thing will fade, no. Even now, after getting your realisation, you will lose your vibrations, that is how it is, I tell you. People say, Mataji when you give vibrations, give them permanently, why sir, what have you given me permanently? Why should I give you permanently? I will not give you, I am Mahamaya. Straight forward. You be permanent, then I will also give you permanently, and you are like, that you come here, 'Like Nescafe, instantly the coffee is made, the same way mother, you awaken the Kundalini', that I do. The jet of Kundalini, I sure set, but I pull it back the same way. Isn't that right? You lose the vibrations too, there is written about it in the Jain system, it is called Sapori, that a man who is like a ball, he goes upward, he goes downward, there's always an imbalance. That is why we have to take care of our chakras. We have to go deeper, we have to live a deeper life. Now you waste your life from morning till evening in useless things. Now, 'We have to do it, what can be done, the world is like this, we have to do it for them', and you don't have time to get that depth with yourself, and be established in the kingdom of God. All right then, whatever you will desire, that will be done, whatever you will want to do, it will happen. Just waste your time like this. That is how you spent thousands of lives, one more will pass. But this one is going to be difficult because you will know you have committed a great mistake, denying all that was true, you even denied the real truth that came your way. You should see it, you should understand it. After getting it, if somebody loses it, then we should understand that it is useless for him. That is the history of Delhi, every time many people get their realisation but they do not get established. Very few people get established. After every program, only 1 or 2 people are left. That's why I have been coming for 3 to 4 years. If you calculate the number of people who come regularly, those who have gone deeper, those who have mastered the Kundalini, is at most 10 or 12 people, only! It is very sad. That is why today is the last day, I pray to you as a Mother, and I warn you as the Shakti, that you get your own depth. Go deeper within yourself. Reserve your time for this great power. Get it and give it to others. It is a very big job. If we say to someone that the total number of people in Mumbai plus all other cities is 10 to 12 thousands people, so what, ten Thousand, so what? That is true. The time has come for many people to get their realisation, this is something according to history, the time has come and many people will achieve it. Though there are many realized souls who have taken their birth. Many realised children have taken birth. They will be ready in 10 years. There is no doubt about it. A man like Styler has written in England, that the time is not very far when many realised souls will be born into this world. This is the thing about Kali Yuga, only two types of people can take birth in Kali Yuga. One type, people like insects, spiders, mosquitoes will take birth who can live in any situation, can live in this turmoil, can live in this dirty atmosphere. That is why the population is increasing. The more dirt, the more turmoil is increased, in the nation, the more the population is increased. Like poverty has come, poverty is leprosy, we should understand that we should be scared of poverty. Supposing someone comes to you and says, 'Sir, I am poor, please give me something.' Give him two slaps. If one tries, there is no need to show off that you are suffering, and beg, one just needs to try. That is how we think about what we can do for the poor. We can do so much. If you see someone poor, help him, try to get him out of it. Try to help every poor person rise out of poverty, it is your duty. Help him whatever way you can, tell him how he can start a new life. You don't need too much money for that. If he gets too much money then he will go off track. Tell the one who has started drinking, that you don't need to have too much money now. You can say the same to the one who smokes, stop it's enough, the one who smokes a beedi, tell him it's enough now, you are not poor anymore. The one who gambles is never a poor person. The amount of money should be such that he can just eat and drink, it should not create a poison or a greedy temperament. So the insects and spiders take birth in a place like this, and that is why the population increases. As soon as the atmosphere becomes good--as you know that wherever there are shavings of wood, wherever there is dirt, there only reside the mosquitoes. As soon as the place becomes clean, one or two flowers bloom. That is why, it is very necessary for us to purify the environment, and to purify the environment you all need to let this power manifest within you. This is the first time now, that human beings can give energy to the five elements through their being, and through their powers. It has experimented many times. Our Scientists told us how we can give energy to the five elements. How can we increase our harvest? These people are agriculturists, agricultural University, Rahuri has many great scientists, you can write a letter to them and ask them when they used the vibrated water, then their harvest came 2⁄3 more than the usual amount, and the flowers also came big. And when I saw all these things then, I was amazed, some fruits were such, as I had never seen before. Their colours, their shine, their shape, their type, they were extraordinary. Because of these waves of vibrations only we can cure your sickness for free, 50% of your problems are solved, the health ministry can be closed down now. Your money is saved, you will fill the doctors' pockets a little less, doctors are scared of me because of this. That's why they haven't invited me. But all such diseases are not going to be cured through Sahaja Yoga. But even the doctor must not be wishing that the world should be sick. Most of the people who come to Sahaja Yoga don't go to the doctors, for free. The expenses on the medicines have been decreased, the expenses of doctors have decreased, there is no need to take sleeping pills, you can read and sleep comfortably. Many such diseases get cured, they are nothing, most of the diseases get cured, they are nothing, most of the diseases get cured. You get balanced, you get into a joyful mood. Alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, and the circles of women, you get rid of all of them. Some hippies came to us, I noticed in some days that they had very nice radiographs, this and that. I said, 'Where have all these things come from? They said, 'Nowadays money is raining on us.' I said, 'How?' They said, 'We don't take Gaanja anymore, we don't take LSD, they are very expensive, we don't drink alcohol anymore.' They said, 'We don't go to see the cabernet anymore, we don't go to the dance, now we just enjoy Sahaja.' All the Indians buy and play records. Now you think. Now their houses have become more beautiful, gracious, their lives have become enlightened, everyone is enjoying, everyone is living, all the arguments between husband and wife have disappeared, now they don't run away with other people's wives, they love their own wives, and the wives have also become alright. Everyone has become relaxed, everything is organised, Ram Rajya (kingdom) has come. After that, the expenses are reduced. The expenses are greatly reduced. The human being does what is really the best. Whatever he has, he sees It's vibrations. The one who lives in vibrations cannot make a big collection. If he finds that he has too many things, then starts distributing them to others. Such a person doesn't collect too much, he enjoys distributing, he enjoys giving. He enjoys his own virtues, his goodness. If he says the truth, then he enjoys it. You must have seen many people who say that honest people have no place in this world. This is a stupid thing to say. You are an honest person, that is the fun. All people are dishonest and you are honest, it is a matter of great pride. It is your pride, your crown. And you say that an honest person has no place in this world. For what do we need to have a place? What is the need? You are an honest person! People say that Shastri Ji was such an honest man that when he died, he left behind some debts. He left behind debts, that is his quality, see, the world is praising him for his quality, that he left behind some debts. We enjoy our own qualities, we get nourished by our own qualities. Now there is a Sati woman, She is always in the joy of her Satitva (the woman who lives a pure life, dedicated to her husband), of her pativrata (devotion to the husband). We enjoy our qualities, we enjoy our fun. Now when you see a drunkard drinking alcohol, then you feel pity for him, here I am sitting relaxed and he is dying away? Then you do not feel that he is drinking alcohol and I am very old fashioned. I am not able to drink at all. Instead of feeling low, you feel that from where has this person gone into such a pitiable condition? The situation becomes juxtaposed. He starts laughing, and he is amazed at their stupidity. When somebody talks like this, then he thinks, what type of a stupid person he is? What is he talking about? Even now people say to me that, Mataji, here if we don't drink alcohol then nobody respects us. I said, is it true? That can never happen. In reality that cannot happen. Actually, they do these things because they think that, we are trapped, why are they not trapped? That is why they go after you. But if you do not show them much, that we don't drink alcohol and just say things in a different manner. You should use Krishna's diplomacy in that, you should say, I am very happy nowadays, I enjoy it very much. I eat and drink at home comfortably, there is no problem. He will say, why? You say I have stopped drinking alcohol, that is why all that money is saved. And I get so much joy, I go out with my children. My life is so much fun. Then he will think, oh these ways exist. You can change the world with this. That is how Rama's kingdom willRajya be established again. Satyuga has already started, there is no doubt about it because the effects of Satyuga are coming. Nothing is going to be hidden anymore. Sir Carter said a very small thing, that too came out. Whatever anybody says, it is not going to keep hidden, all the culprits will be named, all the things will be known, who is where and what he is. How deep is someone, everything will be exposed. Those days are gone when anybody could do anything secretly. One will pull the other, people will try to pull down one honest man, but he will not go down, because the society, the public will help him. These are the signs of Satyuga and it has started. Any cruel man will not be able to go on. What we can say is that cosmic change will come in everything, it has already come. That you should see and should think about it that, mother said so, it was true. You should get established in this thing, you should take charge of this power and give it to the whole world. For that you don't need to pay any money, no need to give anything, you just have to fix your instrument. For this instrument, you need to do meditation, and all such things. For that whatever programmes these people do in Delhi, whatever facilities they have, you write their number again, E-288 Pandara road, you can ask there, E-288 Pandara road, you can talk to them. Every Friday 6 to 7 whenever you call them, they will tell you about it. After so many days one book has also been published, take that also. In that also you can understand what Kundalini is, what happens in it, and how it works out. What are the specialties? If you establish it within yourself, if you pour it inside your being, if you practice it, then you will enjoy it. It is to be practised. The time has come. Divine personified, truth personified, whatever was written, it's fulfilment, it's completion, you can recognize it completely, through the waves of vibrations, because inside you a new awareness--which we call as vibratory awareness, has come, means whatever awareness is there, it has been enlightened. Through it you can know whether God is there, or not, what is the power of God, how does it work, do these chakras reside within us, or not, do gods and goddess reside on these chakras, or not. How do we get our evolution? How can we cure others, who has what disease, many such little little things you can know. Supposing one gentleman came, he said, 'Mother I went to the market and couldn't decide if I should buy this or not.' I said, 'You could have seen the vibrations.' Once I was going somewhere, somebody said that Immediately I got vibrations, and I thought that mother must have come somewhere here, so he reached that place. He said, See mother, I got vibrations, so I came here. One day they were worried, that mother has not arrived yet, then immediately he got vibrations, that mother has come. I also arrived there. So the vibrations keep talking to each other, they keep telling, they keep informing the accurate information. So miraculous they are, so miraculous, that I can't tell you. For example, I told you, this gentleman came to Delhi, he came here and said, I don't know where I should go to Delhi. So he remembered Mother and when he looked around, he saw a gentleman coming this way! So, he said, 'Who are you?' He said, 'I am a devotee of the mother.' 'I am also a devotee of mother!' He saw his vibrations and said, 'I know you. You have been given realisation by Mataji Nirmala Devi?' He said, 'Yes, how do You know?' He said, 'I am getting vibrations, You are getting vibrations.' They became friends. Their identity was established, that they are the children of the same Mother. You may go to America. One gentleman went to America and he also got into the same situation. He said 'I was lost', there I met another gentleman, and he said, vibrations are coming from you. I am also getting vibrations. He said, 'Are you a devotee of Mataji?' He said, 'Yes.' So he said, 'Come, Those who are our own, walk together.' That is how many things work out. Wherever you go you know through vibrations, it is such a fragrance. Everyone recognises. Even Dogs and cats will recognize you, that you have vibrations. Even little children recognize. They tell, that in our school there are 5 boys who are realised, others are not. Immediately they know who is realised, who is not. The one who is realised is our brother or sister because everyone is the child of the mother. This new thing enters our being. You think, how many brothers and sisters you have in England, in America. Not the way these Gurus have, not that way, but these are the real ones. They will run to help you. They will do everything for you. One gentleman was going from Rahuri, he was taking away his rags, he was taking rags of sugar, and rain started. All the rags got drenched in that rain. He said, now when the train stops somewhere, then only we will do something, otherwise, all these goods are gone. Then he went and said where should we go? Stop, there they got out. And where they stopped, the vibrations started coming. He said, here, where vibrations? Then he saw. My board was standing on the road. He said, Mother's board in this place? He went inside, and inside the bungalow was our centre! They said, come, then he said, we came seeing the poster, it is sitting in ?bhuliya?. Wherever I have gone, they have told me. Then they asked me, yes he came to me. One gentleman was sitting, in the morning when they woke up and saw the rags, they found all of them to be dried up. Then he got up. Whatever money there was, he got it. Lakshmi Ji's blessings are very great. There is no doubt about it. They are real. The real Lakshmi blesses. One Gentlemen used to come to me, from very far away, from Kalwe, very dignified man, but very poor, he used to do farming. I said to him, 'Every time you come with a necklace? It must cost too much. Why do you take so much trouble upon yourself, there is no need to do it every time. He said, 'Mother by your grace, Lakshmi Ji has blessed me.' He said, 'Mother I had a farm, it was abandoned, we didn't use to farm in it, because the clay was too soft, slippery.' A Sindhi came and said, 'Your clay is very good, will you give us?' He said, 'For what?' He said, 'For making bricks'. So he used to get 10× price of that same clay, and the farm was still there. Now just taking the clay of his farm, they gave 10× more than the price. He said, 'It is your blessing, it has happened after Sahaja Yoga, We couldn't even think.' That is how many people have been benefited. You get promotions also, I am saying this to make the government servants interested. First thing, promotion should happen, it will be done. You become Ajaatshatru (You rise above all your enemies, invulnerable.) All your enemies get out of your way. Private company people are also benefited, but the biggest thing is that you have to keep your Nabhi clean. Your Nabhi is out of order and you want, You say Lakshmi Ji has not been awakened, to keep the Nabhi Chakra clean, we have to keep purity, We have to think about it. There was a gentleman, he came to me, he said, nobody comes to my shop, it is not running. This I am talking about Pune. So I said, I will come. I went to his shop and gave him realisation, now the shop is doing so many sales that, he is very busy, he has become a very big man, now he does not even come to meet me. 'I remember you every time, but I do not get enough time, this business is there, that business is there.' I went to Pune two times, he didn't come to meet me. And when I went there for the first time, he was poor, poor man, by poor I mean that nobody used to listen to him. I remember, I went into a rickshaw, didn't have the car then, went in a rickshaw and the whole time he was crying that 'Mother you will go, what will happen to me?' Now the situation is this, that I went there and he didn't even come to meet me. So what is the use of such Money? What I mean is, that you understand, wisdom comes to you, balance comes, because you understand vibrations, you want to take this thing, then you understand that the vibrations are not good, leave it. All attachments dissolve, he becomes a witness. He sees all the drama. Today how many people have got their realisation, do your hands like this.

The three Gunas - The significance of Indian culture, Public Program, Delhi, India, 3rd February 1978 [English translation from Hindi] The energy which you are using is refilled by us. There is another modern disease which we call tension. 'Tension', People say 'I have tension', earlier nobody used to get tension. Naturally, you will get tension if you leave from old Delhi for Mataji's programme, thinking 'Must reach at 6:30!', 'Must sit at the front seat.' If you reach later, doesn't matter, you can arrive late also. You were supposed to come at this time so you came. Doesn't matter. What is the emergency? Where will I go and where will you go? We will sit, relax, talk, and that's how Sahaja yoga is done. Why make such a fuss about it? No need. Sit in a very comfortable, relaxed manner, that is how you will get your realisation. I have seen even in Sahaja yoga people plan like this. I laugh a lot. Like if you say that two days later fruits will ripen here, I will accept. If you say Two days later a fruit will ripen from a flower at exactly 6 minutes past 5, if you say so and can show me, then I'll accept your calibre. The more you plan before coming here the more obstructions are created for your Kundalini awakening. Sahaja samadhi should come, it happens spontaneously. Sahaja means in a simple manner. Only such people get it. Now, why are you beating, thrashing? What is the emergency? Recently we were having a program in Mumbai, one Gentleman said, 'Music is being played, Mataji, shall we play a bit? I said 'Ok, do it. We will sit in a relaxed manner. My vibrations keep flowing, you keep receiving them.' Now He performed for a slightly longer duration, people started saying, hurry up and finish it fast. I said 'Why? Do you want to hear my lecture? But I don't feel like speaking today. I speak when I want to, temperamental person, I don't feel like today. Then let me hear the music, you also listen with me. Why don't you relax, listen to music? Good music is on, Listen!' What calamity has struck? My vibrations are flowing whether I give a speech or not, they are working out. The vibrations are working out every moment. They don't stop, even for a moment! I don't understand what is so important in a lecture. Everyone is sitting peacefully, such good music is being played, then why are you shouting in between? We have developed this habit. Can't get rid of these habits. We never sit down, relax and talk to anyone for even 5 minutes. Say If your friend comes to your house you will say 'Come, have some food'. While your wife makes food, you will discuss politics. If there is nothing to do you will turn on the T.V. 'Everyone watch T.V!' Interact with each other, talk to each other! You have invited your friend to your house and you have turned on the T.V.? You part your ways as strangers. Then this is not friendship, with whom do you have a friendship? Nobody is your friend. Friendship comes when two people enjoy together. That's what is called friendship. Nowadays friendship means business, if not that, then they just sit and play cards. Still, it is ok. Then they start betting money on that, finished. You bet your money in a game of cards-- anyone who bets money on a game of cards finished. Now I say that you stay in balance. The way to stay in balance is to sit, to see, enjoy. In the morning the sun rises, see the sky, such beautiful colours come. They go away wasted, unseen. In the evening the sun goes down, such beautiful colours are created, all that to go the same way. So many flowers bloom, springs come, how many colours change, the same way all the work goes. So many people we meet, we meet everyone and go away without meeting anyone, we part our ways as strangers. We never know them! If somebody has died, 'Alright, we have sent flowers. Our job is finished.' Where the Rajo gun (Right side) is at maximum, the situation is like this, that if somebody's father has died, they announce in the newspaper. The fathers' there give money to someone long before their death, saying if I die, please have a suit stitched for me and dress me up in that, It is written there that on such and such day, you see on his body. They show them, 'We had a suit stitched for him, he is dead now.' People come, offer flowers and go home. That is the situation there. There is no interaction, there is no Dosti (friendship), no friendship between them, no recognition. Nothing. You go to your maternal grandmother's house and she says first put in 2 p in my telephone box, then only you can enter. You telephoned from my house that day and didn't pay the money, first give me the 2 p. Money is everything. In artificial life like this imbalance comes because then we have to live with that artificiality. You go to somebody's house, they invite you for dinner, if you reach at 08:30 instead of 8 O'clock they will start shouting at you. Don't you get food at your own house? If he's late, why are you so troubled? He comes at 8:30 if he wishes he can come at 9 O'clock. What happened? Come, sit down and relax. What do you need so much punctuality for? No need to be punctual more than it is necessary. Yes, we should be punctual in one thing, towards the call of God, that's what we should be punctual about. At this moment God's attention is on us, get into meditation that instant. Vibrations are coming, just get into meditation. We are not punctual in this context. What will it do, what did we achieve by being punctual? These suicides! The countries who have been very punctual, what did they achieve out of it? They commit suicide with punctuality, they even write the time at which they have to commit suicide. We used to have punctuality in olden times. Like we see the Panchang (Indian calendar), that's how we create punctuality. This time is auspicious, at this time doing this will be good. At least in that we little bit consulted God Almighty. We consulted him for giving and receiving something, but the way we are punctual nowadays, it's completely mechanical. You all will get bored with your lives, you will get fed up with your life, you will panic. Same, waking up every morning, shaving again, washing your face, going to the office, the same habits. Then coming back home, same things. You will be panicked. When you will panic, then what will start? The same thing which is happening there, Gaanja, LSD, if that is not sufficient, they will remain unconscious all the time. Means escapism, run, 'What is the need to live in this world?' When a human being gets bored with his life then he seeks an escapist life. A Human being gets bored because he doesn't know himself. When you know yourself then you get in a state of joy because you are so beautiful inside, so much organised and so sweet, that you don't need anyone else. Then you just sit with yourself, it's so fun! When you are alone, then you are in the best state. You watch your own life, you see the heaven which is your own, inside your own being. Yes, when you meet others, you see that they are our companions in this heaven. Like when two drunkards get together, then they get joy, nobody drinks alone. Such hangover lives throughout life. If you want to get such a kingdom, then you should also be kingly from the inside. You have to get balance inside and it comes from Dharmà. When I talk about Dharmà, I never mean Hindu, Muslim, you can understand that thing. I don't believe in these little little nests. I don't believe in these illusions which have been created by human beings. They are useless. Breaking these chains now Sahaja yoga has come up. But dharmà means that the sustenance power which is within us, the Dharmà which is innately established, which is in every cell of our being, it should be awakened. Yesterday I told you that there are many Dharmàs. One of them is- you will be surprised- the greatest Dharmà is that All religions are equal. Gandhi Ji said that all religions are equal, means the tattwa (essence, principle) of all the religions is the same, you should understand this. The energy which flows inside the tree goes everywhere, it goes into the roots, in the trunk, into the leaves, flowers and then it goes back. It does get attached to any place. This type of love which is unconditional, which is detached, is a power, in that power, a principle is working out everywhere, the same way, one principle is working out in every religion. And that, to the point, the simple principle is just that, when Dharmà gets manifested within ourselves, when we get nourished by the principle of any dharmà, when we fully establish the tattwa within ourselves, then we can get our evolution. Like Hindus should only learn one essence, that "In everyone resides the same spirit". The Caste and creed are not determined by your birth, but by your actions. That is the essence of Hinduism, we don't have to find another one. If you have achieved this essence then only you are a true Hindu, otherwise, you are not a Hindu. Either they call themselves Muslims, or they call themselves Christians, One power, we are the worshippers of the Divine power, the same power resides in everyone, whatever deed a human being does he should be known by his actions. The one who performs religious rituals is a Brahman (Priest), all the Sahaja yogis are brahmans. The one who is lost in Brahma (God almighty) is a Brahman (Priest. The one who seeks joy in power is a Kshatriya (Warrior), the one who seeks joy in money is a Vaishya (Businessman), the one who seeks joy in serving others is Shudhra (Lower caste). You will be amazed. We have great ideas about serving others, 'We should serve everyone, take care of this one, take care of that one!' Now let's see why they were called Shudras, it is something to think about. It's a great surprise if somebody serves others why is he called shudra (low)? It's a subtle thing. If you can understand this subtle thing, then you can understand Hinduism. The one who serves others is a shudra because there is no other. Suppose If I make you alright if I massage you if I make your head alright, then I am curing myself because my own head is catching. Yours is catching, you are my part parcel if I don't correct it, my part and parcel, then I suffer. There is not the other. The one who gets the idea that 'I am serving this person', is a very low-level idea. The one who thinks that I have built very big, great orphanages, that I'll go and serve the poor people! Who is poor? You are poor. Poverty troubles me because it is the part and parcel of my being. If somebody is poor in this world, then it is an insult for me, I am poor. Such great, high vision if you see going down to such low standards, that is why it happens. No Emperor says that I am serving anyone. He gives, it just flows from him, he doesn't serve anyone. In the idea of serving others there is a very subtle, foolish ego working. Whom are you obliging? They all are part and parcel of your being, that's why when you get the collective consciousness you are amazed if somebody's Vishuddhi is caught up, if somebody's sick, then you also catch. Then you say, mother, his Vishuddhi is caught up, clear him fast. Because you can't bear it. Because he becomes the part and parcel of your being, they say, mother, see he's catching, means you are catching. See how much you become one. Like we don't give lectures now that, "Yes, All religions are one and the same". Hindus, Muslims, Parsis, Christians all are one, we need not say that. It happens. Anybody comes your way you'll say, see mother, he's catching this. Your finger is catching, you say he's catching. Like you make your finger alright, he also becomes alright and you also become alright. It is a very subtle thing. Only those who are subtle enough can understand this subtle thing. That's why the one who says that 'I am a great obliger in this world, others, helping others, I distribute sweets, I have organised these Langars (free food for anyone to eat)' is the greatest idiot, is a very low person. Human beings have no right to oblige anyone. There is only one who obliges and that is the Divine power. He is also obliging himself, not others. When he gets upset with himself he destroys Everything. When he gets pleased with himself then he makes everything alright, and when he has to oblige someone, he gives salvation to the whole world. Because the whole world is God himself, the whole world is the part and parcel of the Viràta (cosmic being). Like, understand that, like this is the light of God almighty and if the picture of the Viràta is in front of it, whatever vibrations are coming through it, in them resides the whole world. Now if the Viràta has some problem, then it will show there. If there is some problem there, then it will show here. Without correcting it, the Viràta will not be alright, and they will not be able to get any relief. I am telling you the truth. You will be surprised that once my foot got hurt, and there was a doctor with me and she said, 'I'll give you vibrations'. I said, 'ok, come, my child, give vibrations'. As soon as she put her hand on my foot, the vibrations started coming like a machine gun. Means that when someplace gets hurt, vibrations start flowing 2 times more from there. When I get tired, then the treble vibrations flow three times more than usual. When I get sick, then you will get vibrations as if you are sick. Say many people in Delhi are ill because of the flu, then I will also get the flu and whatever vibrations will flow will cure your flu. When they will go away, then I will also become alright. It is a strange thing! It exists. That's what happens. It is a very subtle thing, which you should understand, you should see it, and experience it. There are some of you here who have seen it. That's what happens. Like inside us antibodies develop, and they start flowing. That is why for our balance, which I have said since long, the most important thing is that we should understand the essence of Dharmà. All religions are equal. A very important thing. If there is any obstinate person here, they have made many, many examples of obstinacy. Hinduism has only one good thing about it, and that is, they didn't put someone in charge in any of the castes, that he is Christ and he is Mohammed Sahib. This is one good thing but they thought many have left, put somebody else, all the Christians are saved, all the Muslims are alright, what should we do about it? They said, ok, this doesn't work so let's find some other cure. Then what cure did they find, all this Caste and creed business they created. Human beings are such that, they never learn. Christians will say, only Lord Jesus came on this Earth, nobody else came. Then Christ also left all these things in their heads. But Christ himself said, "Those who are not against me, are with me." Now, who are those? Mohammed Sahib has also said, very much, if you read him. Many Paegambers (Prophets) came on this Earth. They stamped down that, no other prophet will ever come on this Earth. Christ has said "I am the light, I am the path", ok, he said he is the light, he is the path but who is the destination? Who is the beginning? There is light, there is the path, other things are also there, there is also way backwards and forward. Krishna said "Sarva Dharmanaam paritajya mamekam sharanam vraj", then people say everyone should become a Hindu. That means we are so gross. Whatever anybody said, they turned it really gross. Human beings have become very clever in turning every principle so low, so gross. Whatever subtlety we had, we have been losing it. Yesterday I told you about the Kundalini and the chakras. What is Kundalini, how does it arise, how does it climb, and so on? Kundalini is a subtle power. The actual power of Sadashivà always resides on the top of our head, and the power of Sadashivà is the Brahma Shakti (cosmic/primordial energy). Now, who is Sadashivà, let's talk about that. Now understand that Sadashivà and the Shakti (power of God almighty) is the same thing, like the sun and the sunlight. But when it was the time to create, creation was done many times, not once but many times, so at that time Sadashivà and Shakti separated. They became two parts, Shakti creates and Sadashivà, he sees Everything as a detached witness. It is Shakti's work. Shakti works it out. Now we'll understand the Shakti, now suppose, today power has come here, you can see the light in front of you. But you know that you can also use this light to operate the gas, you can use this light to operate the fans, this light you can also convert into a magnet. But you cannot understand the power which does all the work, which organises everything, which cooperates, which integrates, and which loves. But you cannot understand the power which loves and because of love, all the work is done. Through love only, it knows and understands everything, and with love only it does all the work. You cannot understand such power. I am talking about the same power, and that power is the integrated form of all the powers, in that resides the electricity, the magnet is there, light is there, all the elements reside in that power. Now you see here, this picture we have made, of the Virata, on its head resides the Shakti of Sadashivà, and it is also the seed of Sadashivà, that is why his Shakti resides there. It has three parts. You see from up there, I have told you when it is released from there, one comes like this, one comes like this and one comes from the middle, and one who himself is Sadashivà, he governs, affects the heart. These three powers are called Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali, they are symbolised as three. In the English language, there is no name for these three powers, I don't know what they are called in the English language. You will say it is a very out of date thing. Because whatever is Sanatan (primordial) in our Country has gone out of date, and whatever belongs to the English has become the best. When Sahaja Yoga will spread from England, America, and will come here then they will understand. We don't understand simple things. When English is writing about Sahaja Yoga, two are writing about me, one is English and one French, when they will come with letters, then all the Ladies, all the Gentlemen here, who are English except that they don't have a tailcoat, those ladies and gentlemen-- because we have very few Indians here. All the English are still guiding us. They are called Mahakali, Mahasaraswati, Mahalakshmi. The Sanskrit language has one speciality, that every single alphabet is a mantra. In Devnagari Lipi every single Akshar (alphabet)-- A+kshar, is not kshar, this a, aa, e, ee, whatever is there, it all moves in the Kundalini. There the word sounds. We have learnt these alphabets in Manan (introspection/Meditation) and have then written them down. English they speak like a Magar (crocodile), that is how we have learnt 'M.' We have no relation with any crocodile. They have learnt the language from the animals and we have learnt the language from the Kundalini, which flows inside us. When the Kundalini moves like this then it makes sounds like this "Sh", "Sh", "Sh", here. Is that right? Everywhere it has different words like here it is "Ham", "Sham", two words come here. They exist, which we write as "Om", aa, like they write, the one which you write "Om" in Lipi, you can see here that the Om resides here. When the Kundalini is awakened, then when the light shines here, then the Chakra which is here, Om is written the same way here as you write. And the A, aa, e, ee which is written here, you write too. In Devnagari, in Sanskrit, inside us too when the Kundalini rises, at that moment when the Kundalini reaches that point, then a sound is created and it gets written there. How detailed it is. What is your culture and where has it come from? It all has come from introspection, it is not something artificial which we have learnt from outside. But here Sanskrit language belongs to the Pandits, fools and donkeys, who don't even know how to pronounce it. They don't understand the essence of it! They are all foreigners, They read Shaili and Katiss. This language appears and is written inside us. Writing every single alphabet has a great meaning. How Om came to be? That is how Om is created, absolutely Om is written there. I am rotating my finger like this, your Agnya is also rotating. How scientific it is because it is related to reality. What can be more scientific than this? Till you say a Shloka (Praise to the deity) in Sanskrit, my chakras don't work out, how surprising! But If you say it in the English language then it works. Only on the Agnya chakra, Jesus Christ's which he wrote himself, because this is the centre of Christ, for that he has written in the Hebrew language, the Lord's prayer, that works out, but If one says it in English that also works. But here also Kshama Swaroopini (The form of forgiveness), Kshama we have to say because here the word "Ksh" resides, so we have to say forgive, whatever we may say but we have to say 'I forgive'. So much in our Sanskrit language, see how many foundations it has, how deep it is and how subtle? So these three which I told you Mahakaali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, these three powers are inside us, these are the ones who are called as "Aim", "Rim", "Hrim", because their integration is "Klim", that's how it is. "Ra" is the word for energy, like Radha. 'Ra' means energy and 'Dha' means the one who sustains the energy. The meaning of Radha, Krishna, I told you comes from the word krishi (agriculture). Now the "Kr" word, saying Krishna's name, immediately the Vishuddhi clears out. You have to say Krishna's name because Krishna is related to this centre. If he is related to the Vishuddhi then his name can only be Krishna. How scientific it is, you tell, how subtle? But Sahaja Yoga is the path of love, and in love, there is no need to go too deep into these things. "Ek hi akshar prem ka padhe sau pandit hoye'' (Learning one word of love is sufficient to make one equal to 100 priests.) That is what Sahaja Yoga is. There is no need for you to be a great Pandit, "Padhi padhi pandit murakh bhaye" (Sometimes reading and getting too much worldly knowledge of spirituality makes you a fool). Those Pandits who came here, god save from them, they said that we have learnt the whole Guru Granth Sahib by heart. I said 'Oh really, what is that?' 'The same thing which you say, he said the same, that "Mann mein hi khojo" (Seek within yourself)' I said 'You have just memorised it, you haven't tried to find it, no?' Seek? Should seek it. It has become like this "Mantram amantram aksharam nasit, nasit moolam anshanam, ayogya purshoh nasit, yogakah sah durlabham" (The mantras, invitations, invocations to the Divine have no importance to the one who is not deserving, and for one who is deserving, the mantras are inaccessible. CAN'T SAY IF ITS CORRECT BUT FEEL IT IS RIGHT ) The Mantras are in everything, but one should know the plan. Some bhoots have come here, Rakshasas, they will give you the mantras "Aim", "Rim", "Klim", 'Say, Om, say Klim'. Ask them what is it? They will not be able to tell you anything. Even if they tell you something, they must have read it from somewhere, what Chakra are you catching now? They have given you the mantras "Aim", "Rim", "Klim'", is it written anywhere in the Shastras which Chakra you are catching on? If your left side is caught up then you should be given the mantra of the left side, if your right side is caught up then you should be given the mantra of the right side, and if your centre one is caught up then you should be given the mantra of the centre. Now these three which you can see here, Mahakali resides on the left side. She sustains the Tamo guna. Tamo guna resides within us. It is also called Chandra Nadi. Now see how Bhagawati created this mother Earth. First Bhagawati took some part of the sun. Then she took the part far away, far away from the sun, so then it became cold, like ice. Then she brought it slowly, slowly towards the sun. It started melting, because of that the water started flowing. Then she again took it far away and then she again put it near the sun, adjusted it so that the world can exist, so that life can be sustained, all this universe moves in a spiral way, in a spiral way. Whatever I am telling you, maybe people will say in a hundred years. Whatever I said a few days back, people have started saying the same. That balanced movement of the spiral, causes one to be sometimes more towards the sun and sometimes more towards the moon. So the Sun channel and Moon channel, we have two channels. The one which is on the right side is called Surya Nadi, and the Chandra Nadi is, which is on the left side, is also called Ida Nadi. This is also mixed up. I see that there is so much confusion, so much confusion. The channel which is on the Right side is called Pingala Nadi, the right side channel is Surya Nadi, the channel of the left side is Chandra Nadi. When you Balance both of them then you come into the centre. If one goes to one extreme, then like a pendulum, if you go to one side then you start to go to the other side. Like I told you that wherever the Rajo guna is too much in the west, they have started going towards the Tamo guna. When it became too much they started committing suicide, if not that, then drinking alcohol, taking gaanja, all types of things, so that they can get balance. If the pendulum goes there, then from there it runs to the other side. Between this side and that, in the centre lies balance, in the core and in that there is a gap, that is the void, that is what we call void. In the Jain system, if you read Jain, it is all Sahaja Yoga, if you read Kabir, it is all Sahaja Yoga, if you read Guru Nanak, it is all Sahaja Yoga, if you read Krishna, it is all Sahaja Yoga, if you read Ram, it is all Sahaja Yoga. Christ if you read, it is all Sahaja Yoga, Quran if you read, it is all Sahaja Yoga. Everything is Sahaja Yoga. The way of saying may be different but the joy is the same. Now the Void which is in the centre, this is the Bhavasagara (ocean of illusions) and there are no stairs to climb out of it. Suppose there are two stairs placed like this, but the middle one is half falling, and the way to climb it is below the Kundalini. This Kundalini has to cross this bridge, has to fill this gap, it is very simple and easy, not very far. Now, this Kundalini is your mother. She took birth with you in many lives. She resides within you. Even after death, the Spirit and the Kundalini are up there to accompany the Jiv Atma (Soul). Every moment it is there within you, and it is also the record book of the subconscious. The Kundalini is Gauri, meaning that it is a part of Mahakali. It is a part of Mahakali. The power which is in the centre, which we call as creative power, or which we call as an evolutionary power, which we call as Mahalakshmi's power, is not this power. This is the power of your subconscious, whatever is your past, whatever are your karmas (deeds), whatever happened to you, that you should understand. So the Kundalini is the part of it. And that which is the Void is governed by Saraswati. Because I told you, that a lotus sprout from the centre of the Nabhi and Brahmadeva sits on it, that's everything, he does all the creative work. That's why the Void has creative power. You know it is there. This creative work is about the five elements, the mind is also created from these. The mind is also a part of them. One is the power of existence and one is the power of action, of creativity. When it works like this, understand that there is a byproduct in the factory, two types of byproducts we get, one by product which goes up from the left side, it comes here to this side, the right side. We call it superego, and the other one which comes because of the working of the right side is ego. Those who use their right side, those who are called as Rajo gunis are ego-oriented people, they work through their ego. And the one who is left-sided is the superego one, many of you are psychologists, they will explain to you. Say there is a child who is drinking milk in his mother's lap, relaxing. He is in complete joy. At that time when his mother moves him to the other side, his ego reacts, he says, "What did you do?" He gets angry. His mother scolds him, "Don't do like this". Superego is created. When we desire to do something, it is out of ego and when it is pressurised, that is the superego. That's how these two things are created within us, ego and superego. From one thing we say that "We will do it", and from the other thing we say, "No, don't do this." 'My father said that it will not benefit us.' Now it is not necessary that whatever your father said was right, sometimes we say right things and sometimes we say wrong. These types of two powers work within us, or we can say that one gives us the power to desire, and the second power is the one by which we can create. If the power of desire and the power of creativity get balanced or the ones which we call as ego, superego gets balanced, then you can see that the rising of the Kundalini will become so easy because the weight in the head will get balanced, the Kundalini will be able to pass the gap very easily. That is why balance is so important. That is why today I am speaking about balance, after describing everything, I come back to balance. If you are not in balance, then the Kundalini will not rise above the Brahmarandhra (Fontanelle bone area/Sahasrara). It is very important to establish a balance. And for that balance, I say to you, that do left to the right because the ego here has grown much. Full of ego. The balloon of superego here has been pressed down by ego. So I say to you that, you raise it like this, superego will rise and the ego will go down. Again you raise it, again you do it, slowly doing it, it will be completely balanced. For that also you have to put your hand towards me, your hands are not going to work out anything. As soon as you get in the centre the Kundalini will shoot up. Kundalini knows everything, understands everything, everything about you. She knows your past. Whatever mistakes you committed, whatever injustice you did with yourself, like if you went to some Guru, your Kundalini knows. She will not rise, frozen Kundalini. That is why you must have seen, somebody says that I had a Guru, I clasp my head in my hands, the situation is hopeless for the Kundalini to rise now, tell him good-bye. What can we do? Now people think that why Mataji criticizes the Gurus? Because if they freeze your Kundalini then what can I do? The second thing is what will happen to you? How destructive it is? You see for yourself. You don't get your evolution, you cannot give realisation, life afterlife you cannot get your realisation. realisation. And even after saying this, they say that our Guru is very good. Do they think it over? Are they possessed or something? No matter how much they trouble them, no matter how much they suffer, their bones may break, their heart may die, but even then, 'Mother, our Guru is very great.' What is the reason? The reason is very simple, that there is something which has got hold of you. You don't want to think about what is the truth. Now if there is someone whose ego is very much bloated, there are many ways, which I have told you about. Ego is such an illness that you are not able to detect it at all. If your Tamo guna, superego is more active, then you get pains in your body, 'Mother I have pain here, my legs are jammed, don't know who is sitting in my neck', you feel it. But the ego is always sitting on top, it rides on a horse. If you listen to it, then it starts giving me a lecture. I went to some ministers, and they started lecturing me, here you all were going to have a programme, and I was listening to their lecture, I said very well. They give lectures every day, couldn't they get anyone else to listen to them? Ok then, go on. Your wish will be fulfilled. Here you all were sitting waiting for me, and I was sitting there. That is why ego is such a thing, that once it gets into your head then it is very difficult to make you understand anything. Ego is also very subtle like somebody has read something, then, 'I do not believe that mother can awaken the Kundalini.' Now, sir, your faith does not exist. 'I cannot believe it', do you believe in anything? What have you known, what have you seen? You come and see. You believe it or not, how does it matter to God? 'I believe in God', which country's Plato are you? Did you create this universe, Did your father create this universe? The tree under which you are sitting, was it made by you? 'I have complete faith in God', the one who talks like this is too much. The one who has created the whole Universe, the one who has made this world, has made you, your children, the one who is shining in this Universe, because of whose grace everything is done, if you believe in him, you are doing a big obligation! You do not have faith in God, who can be more intelligent than you? This is all nonsense. When I took my birth, I thought which metal asylum I have landed in? Then they say 'Yes I know everything, Mataji, yes I read that Mother I have read the whole book, there.' Now the book you can publish from anywhere, in any publishing house it can be published. Anyone can publish, anyone who wishes can, and if someone wants to publish something related to God, then there are no rules. There are no rules and regulations, nobody can ask him, why have you published this? And if somebody says that God is like this, 'Yes, it is so'. If they say God is in such a condition, then they believe it. Is there any regulation, any rule where you can say that, don't you dare, who are you to talk about God? From Hitler to Napoleon everyone gave lectures about God, nobody missed the chance. Everyone thinks that they have a right to lecture others about God. Ask them, what do you know about God, why do you speak about him? 'I have written so many books, I have read such and such a book, I went to America, I have given so many lectures, I have read so many lectures', everyone, everyone, it is very subtle aggression. You have not been able to understand this. It is an aggression on the intellect of human beings, they give you a mental feast. He started talking about God, you started listening, 'This gentleman speaks very well.' There is one gentleman, he gives such a good lecture, that you just listen and listen, you don't know when the time flies! Good entertainment. Not everyone is allowed to speak about God, and nobody is at all allowed to comment on, or explain Gita, and they give lectures and lectures on Gita. 'Mataji I'm going to hear the lecture on Gita', and your Agnya Chakra is caught up. 'So should I not go to the lecture?' 'Son, the one who is explaining Gita to you, is he a realised Soul?' Before getting your realisation, you have no right to talk about Dharmà and no right to talk about Gita. The one who gives lectures before getting realisation is like a blind man guiding your way. But there is no way you can see, who is blind about Dharmà and who is not. And you should definitely not listen to the one who speaks about Virah (separation). Why should we listen to the one who sings the songs of separation? We are in separation, he is also in separation, that's why we enjoy it. Like Soordas Ji is there, he used to cry in separation, then everybody feels good. We are blind, he is blind, all blind people are singing. He went to Vallabhacharya Ji, Vallabhacharya said 'Kaahe ghighiyawat ho?' (Why are you weeping, begging?) The one who is one with God cannot understand, why are you singing about separation. Everyone likes such a song 'God, When will you meet me?' Some people like such useless, fake dramas also. In this sad state of separation, everyone has become Devdas. ?Devdas kate ghaas?, I say this. So many poems on such sad, depressive situations, and so much about separation! Oh God! When will they get wisdom? Separation people enjoy very much. Poems and poems are written on this subject. But the one who has met and is in unity, how can he sing songs of separation? It is a simple thing, the one who is in unity with God, how can he talk about separation? He will say, 'I am the light, I am the path', he will say, "Sarva Dharmanaam paritajya mamekam sharanam Vraja" (Surrender all your Dharmàs to me). He will have authority. He will not be scared of anybody's father, he will not beg, cry. If you want to come, come, otherwise, go. Kabir is the face of that, people made fun of him, siddhukaddhi language? In our country, Hindi speakers make fun of Kabir. Tell me if even one of them is equal to even the dust of Kabir's feet. They got after Markandeya Ji. 'He has these defects, his Vadmay has these mistakes.' They like Umarkhaiyaam because he writes in his? Pinak? All these people only write in PINAK, most of the Ghazals I have seen are written in PINAK. I feel repulsive the way people start crying in separation, sitting, singing Ghazals. Did this in any way helped others, no question. These are the symptoms of Tamo guna. Always singing virah, crying, talking about separation. Talk about meeting God, get one with God, and when the time is here, we do not believe that we can be one with the Divine. Then they will sit, crying. First, they will say 'Come, come, come', and now when he has come, is standing in front of you, then they say 'We cannot believe that it is the truth'! That is what the world is like, what can we say? Why did you call, first of all? When you have called him, he has come, then you say we cannot believe that you have come, let us cry, for now, they are busy crying. Till they finish crying, everything will be finished. They will play music, and call God for hours, 'God please come, God please come, Darshan do (please show yourself), let us meet you, show yourself', and what will you do by seeing him? We should become something, something should happen, a happening should take place. This is about becoming, not talking through the hat. But human beings live with satisfaction because they are superficial. They get satisfaction if someone is always attracting them. They are sitting, singing bhajans, for hours together, 'Ghat hi Khoja Bhai, ghat hi khojo Bhai, ghat hi khojo Bhai' (Seek within). Ghat hi khojo Bhai, who are the ones, who are going to seek it? Whom are you lecturing? That is said by those who sought and have found it, now whom are you lecturing? That was told to them, that you seek within. He said that take this medicine for your headache, and you are chanting the prescription from morning to evening! What benefit are you going to get from this? Who has been benefited by doing all this? By singing bhajans, have you ever seen even one person getting benefitted? In the end, the same people put their heads and legs in the air, doing drama, screaming from morning till evening. They will get cancer of the throat. Now the time has come, that you shouldn't do such foolish things too much, otherwise you will get throat cancer. Uselessly if they will roam, singing songs, then they will get cancer of the throat. Who told you to do so much of Dravidi Pranayam (a type of a Yoga)? That sing in such a way that the nerves of your throat almost break? When you have said once, it's done, 'Come here', He will come, what is the need to break your veins and ruin your Vishuddhi Chakra so much? I don't understand. They come here, 'Mataji, we used to say this Mantra.' 'How many times?' 'Everyday day, it used to be at least 108 times.' Who told you to say 108 times? Say once, with folded hands in prayer, you will be looked after by Shri Ram, is done. Is he your servant, that you are ordering him morning till evening? Now if you do this to someone all the time, then the attention of God will move away from there. Sir, I get a headache, if someone says Mataji the 4th time, I say, what do you want? You see from the point of view of God, if someone always keeps calling you, 108 times, you will say 'please shut up'. Now my granddaughter was there, we went to Bihar, she is a realised soul, she is a very funny person. She must be around 5, 6 years old, she said 'Nani (Grandmother), everything has gone very wrong here, in the temple, they are singing, night and day, hey ram, hey ram, but God ran away from there long ago, that I know, but now I will also run away from here.' She said 'Listening to them my ears have started paining, you too run away from here.' Such useless people they are. Such a little child understands. He went to Ladakh, his father, a lama was sitting. Now you see such a little child, 6 years old. Now everyone was going, and touching the feet of Mr lama. Now she is a realised soul, She knows who is realised. She saw her mother touch his feet, her father touches his feet, She could not bear it any longer. Again her pride came in. She went and stood in front of him and said, 'Shaving your head, wearing a cloak, you are making others touch your feet? You are not realised.' Everyone felt embarrassed, scared, the mother, father. What has this child done? 'Right I am, why is he making others touch his feet? Why do you touch his feet? He is not a realised soul at all. He has just shaved his head, dressed up in a cloak, and is sitting with such an expression.' She showed him the mirror. She is not afraid of anyone. If you can meet God by shaving your head, then all the sheep should have reached God at the earliest. Kabir's sense of humour was marvellous. Now this crying of theirs has reached such a limit that, they are now shouting, because Hasan, Hussain died. They have created such a chaotic atmosphere, seeing such sad faces, heart, mind gets disturbed. If some deity was to come, he would also run back. Where are these crying, weeping people? Even animals don't cry so much, nobody cries so much. This is a weird style of human beings if they start crying, then they are just crying. Okay, that done, after doing that if they still don't get satisfaction, then they will fast on the birthday of the deity. What is a greater insult than this? What can be a greater insult than this, for anyone? Supposing somebody comes to your house and says that, I am not eating today. He will say that I am going home. If you want someone to go away from your house just say, 'I will not eat today'. He will say, 'Ok, I will go to the hotel, straight forward.' In your house Krishna is born, Rama is born, still, you are fasting. What is this way? What is a greater way to insult than this? Tomorrow if I come to your house, supposing Shri Mataji comes to your house, you say 'I am fasting', then, why have you invited me? When someone like these come, when great people take birth, at that time, we should celebrate, we should enjoy, we should serve food to everyone. Ganesha likes Modak (Sweets), then distribute modakas. They fast on that day. And on the day of Narak chaturdashi, they will wake up at 4 am, take their baths and eat their food. See, such contrary things, cannot understand. Who taught you this? Either the Pandits have made fools out of you or it is the business of the Rakshasas. I don't understand that, from where these juxtaposed things have come to U.P.? In the north, it is worse, so much worse that nobody knows Sanskrit here. Nobody understands anything, whatever the Brahman (Priest) says, offer that, alright, whatever devotion you have, give it to the Brahman. Brahmans have an agency here. The most amazing thing is that, when I got married, I got married in U.P., We went to the house, and you will be surprised that, the Pandit was singing Shraadh yog (Mantras of Shradh, Shradh is done to please God so that he gives peace to the souls of those who have passed away)! He was singing only those mantras! I couldn't stop laughing, my stomach started aching. If I want to go, where should I go? I am the daughter-in-law of this house, I am new here. Beaten by laughter, I said, 'I am feeling sleepy. 'It is suchsuch an auspicious time, and you are going to sleep?' I said, 'what can I do?' 'Why are you laughing?' How do I say to them, that the Pandit only knew some mantras of the Pitra paksha (father's side) and he is repeating them? Should I say, what is this drama, he doesn't even know a single Shloka? He is a Brahman and has been coming for many generations. I said, who can talk to them now? He must have done all the marriages in the family, the same way, he was given utensils, he also gets cows. Now there are cows and cows in his house, and that is how the things of Dharmà are made, that's how all the rituals are made! We think that, get rid of it. Now shradh is performed, so they say that 'Give us a cow, give us cloth and give us a saree (traditional dress for women in India) for my Brahmani (wife of the brahman), your mother will wear it.' You think, alright, get rid of him, it is very difficult to give a cow, then just give him a saree. Nobody thinks that whatever we are doing, with what feeling are we doing that? What should we do, what should we give, what is Dharmà, that we should find out. What is it about? Nobody thinks like this, that is why we do not get balance. Just work is on, work on, go on, work it out anyhow. Somebody, 'Yes, yes how are you, are you good, sit down, yes it is alright.' Then he went and found out that he is a very big goon. He stole from such and such a person's house, this much he took away. Then he came, 'let's eat paan.' When day and night human beings live superficially like this, they don't get deeper, and that is why the Kundalini does not rise, not even by following religions, not even if you search. Even if you seek God. Like there is Guru shopping in America, the same way Guru shopping is done here also! 'No I just went, I saw, I touched his feet, I met him, asked for prasad (the food items offered to the deity, which are then given to the devotees), I went to see him, Mother'. In that meeting, he must have put bhoots inside you? 'I went to see him.' But this Kundalini is not getting awakened, what can I do? How does it matter to him? It is a very deep and subtle thing, the awakening of the Kundalini, and the rising of the Kundalini also is a very subtle thing. If you do not look after it, if your thoughts are not so subtle then the thing will fade, no. Even now, after getting your realisation, you will lose your vibrations, that is how it is, I tell you. People say, Mataji when you give vibrations, give them permanently, why sir, what have you given me permanently? Why should I give you permanently? I will not give you, I am Mahamaya. Straight forward. You be permanent, then I will also give you permanently, and you are like, that you come here, 'Like Nescafe, instantly the coffee is made, the same way mother, you awaken the Kundalini', that I do. The jet of Kundalini, I sure set, but I pull it back the same way. Isn't that right? You lose the vibrations too, there is written about it in the Jain system, it is called Sapori, that a man who is like a ball, he goes upward, he goes downward, there's always an imbalance. That is why we have to take care of our chakras. We have to go deeper, we have to live a deeper life. Now you waste your life from morning till evening in useless things. Now, 'We have to do it, what can be done, the world is like this, we have to do it for them', and you don't have time to get that depth with yourself, and be established in the kingdom of God. All right then, whatever you will desire, that will be done, whatever you will want to do, it will happen. Just waste your time like this. That is how you spent thousands of lives, one more will pass. But this one is going to be difficult because you will know you have committed a great mistake, denying all that was true, you even denied the real truth that came your way. You should see it, you should understand it. After getting it, if somebody loses it, then we should understand that it is useless for him. That is the history of Delhi, every time many people get their realisation but they do not get established. Very few people get established. After every program, only 1 or 2 people are left. That's why I have been coming for 3 to 4 years. If you calculate the number of people who come regularly, those who have gone deeper, those who have mastered the Kundalini, is at most 10 or 12 people, only! It is very sad. That is why today is the last day, I pray to you as a Mother, and I warn you as the Shakti, that you get your own depth. Go deeper within yourself. Reserve your time for this great power. Get it and give it to others. It is a very big job. If we say to someone that the total number of people in Mumbai plus all other cities is 10 to 12 thousands people, so what, ten Thousand, so what? That is true. The time has come for many people to get their realisation, this is something according to history, the time has come and many people will achieve it. Though there are many realized souls who have taken their birth. Many realised children have taken birth. They will be ready in 10 years. There is no doubt about it. A man like Styler has written in England, that the time is not very far when many realised souls will be born into this world. This is the thing about Kali Yuga, only two types of people can take birth in Kali Yuga. One type, people like insects, spiders, mosquitoes will take birth who can live in any situation, can live in this turmoil, can live in this dirty atmosphere. That is why the population is increasing. The more dirt, the more turmoil is increased, in the nation, the more the population is increased. Like poverty has come, poverty is leprosy, we should understand that we should be scared of poverty. Supposing someone comes to you and says, 'Sir, I am poor, please give me something.' Give him two slaps. If one tries, there is no need to show off that you are suffering, and beg, one just needs to try. That is how we think about what we can do for the poor. We can do so much. If you see someone poor, help him, try to get him out of it. Try to help every poor person rise out of poverty, it is your duty. Help him whatever way you can, tell him how he can start a new life. You don't need too much money for that. If he gets too much money then he will go off track. Tell the one who has started drinking, that you don't need to have too much money now. You can say the same to the one who smokes, stop it's enough, the one who smokes a beedi, tell him it's enough now, you are not poor anymore. The one who gambles is never a poor person. The amount of money should be such that he can just eat and drink, it should not create a poison or a greedy temperament. So the insects and spiders take birth in a place like this, and that is why the population increases. As soon as the atmosphere becomes good--as you know that wherever there are shavings of wood, wherever there is dirt, there only reside the mosquitoes. As soon as the place becomes clean, one or two flowers bloom. That is why, it is very necessary for us to purify the environment, and to purify the environment you all need to let this power manifest within you. This is the first time now, that human beings can give energy to the five elements through their being, and through their powers. It has experimented many times. Our Scientists told us how we can give energy to the five elements. How can we increase our harvest? These people are agriculturists, agricultural University, Rahuri has many great scientists, you can write a letter to them and ask them when they used the vibrated water, then their harvest came 2⁄3 more than the usual amount, and the flowers also came big. And when I saw all these things then, I was amazed, some fruits were such, as I had never seen before. Their colours, their shine, their shape, their type, they were extraordinary. Because of these waves of vibrations only we can cure your sickness for free, 50% of your problems are solved, the health ministry can be closed down now. Your money is saved, you will fill the doctors' pockets a little less, doctors are scared of me because of this. That's why they haven't invited me. But all such diseases are not going to be cured through Sahaja Yoga. But even the doctor must not be wishing that the world should be sick. Most of the people who come to Sahaja Yoga don't go to the doctors, for free. The expenses on the medicines have been decreased, the expenses of doctors have decreased, there is no need to take sleeping pills, you can read and sleep comfortably. Many such diseases get cured, they are nothing, most of the diseases get cured, they are nothing, most of the diseases get cured. You get balanced, you get into a joyful mood. Alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, and the circles of women, you get rid of all of them. Some hippies came to us, I noticed in some days that they had very nice radiographs, this and that. I said, 'Where have all these things come from? They said, 'Nowadays money is raining on us.' I said, 'How?' They said, 'We don't take Gaanja anymore, we don't take LSD, they are very expensive, we don't drink alcohol anymore.' They said, 'We don't go to see the cabernet anymore, we don't go to the dance, now we just enjoy Sahaja.' All the Indians buy and play records. Now you think. Now their houses have become more beautiful, gracious, their lives have become enlightened, everyone is enjoying, everyone is living, all the arguments between husband and wife have disappeared, now they don't run away with other people's wives, they love their own wives, and the wives have also become alright. Everyone has become relaxed, everything is organised, Ram Rajya (kingdom) has come. After that, the expenses are reduced. The expenses are greatly reduced. The human being does what is really the best. Whatever he has, he sees It's vibrations. The one who lives in vibrations cannot make a big collection. If he finds that he has too many things, then starts distributing them to others. Such a person doesn't collect too much, he enjoys distributing, he enjoys giving. He enjoys his own virtues, his goodness. If he says the truth, then he enjoys it. You must have seen many people who say that honest people have no place in this world. This is a stupid thing to say. You are an honest person, that is the fun. All people are dishonest and you are honest, it is a matter of great pride. It is your pride, your crown. And you say that an honest person has no place in this world. For what do we need to have a place? What is the need? You are an honest person! People say that Shastri Ji was such an honest man that when he died, he left behind some debts. He left behind debts, that is his quality, see, the world is praising him for his quality, that he left behind some debts. We enjoy our own qualities, we get nourished by our own qualities. Now there is a Sati woman, She is always in the joy of her Satitva (the woman who lives a pure life, dedicated to her husband), of her pativrata (devotion to the husband). We enjoy our qualities, we enjoy our fun. Now when you see a drunkard drinking alcohol, then you feel pity for him, here I am sitting relaxed and he is dying away? Then you do not feel that he is drinking alcohol and I am very old fashioned. I am not able to drink at all. Instead of feeling low, you feel that from where has this person gone into such a pitiable condition? The situation becomes juxtaposed. He starts laughing, and he is amazed at their stupidity. When somebody talks like this, then he thinks, what type of a stupid person he is? What is he talking about? Even now people say to me that, Mataji, here if we don't drink alcohol then nobody respects us. I said, is it true? That can never happen. In reality that cannot happen. Actually, they do these things because they think that, we are trapped, why are they not trapped? That is why they go after you. But if you do not show them much, that we don't drink alcohol and just say things in a different manner. You should use Krishna's diplomacy in that, you should say, I am very happy nowadays, I enjoy it very much. I eat and drink at home comfortably, there is no problem. He will say, why? You say I have stopped drinking alcohol, that is why all that money is saved. And I get so much joy, I go out with my children. My life is so much fun. Then he will think, oh these ways exist. You can change the world with this. That is how Rama's kingdom willRajya be established again. Satyuga has already started, there is no doubt about it because the effects of Satyuga are coming. Nothing is going to be hidden anymore. Sir Carter said a very small thing, that too came out. Whatever anybody says, it is not going to keep hidden, all the culprits will be named, all the things will be known, who is where and what he is. How deep is someone, everything will be exposed. Those days are gone when anybody could do anything secretly. One will pull the other, people will try to pull down one honest man, but he will not go down, because the society, the public will help him. These are the signs of Satyuga and it has started. Any cruel man will not be able to go on. What we can say is that cosmic change will come in everything, it has already come. That you should see and should think about it that, mother said so, it was true. You should get established in this thing, you should take charge of this power and give it to the whole world. For that you don't need to pay any money, no need to give anything, you just have to fix your instrument. For this instrument, you need to do meditation, and all such things. For that whatever programmes these people do in Delhi, whatever facilities they have, you write their number again, E-288 Pandara road, you can ask there, E-288 Pandara road, you can talk to them. Every Friday 6 to 7 whenever you call them, they will tell you about it. After so many days one book has also been published, take that also. In that also you can understand what Kundalini is, what happens in it, and how it works out. What are the specialties? If you establish it within yourself, if you pour it inside your being, if you practice it, then you will enjoy it. It is to be practised. The time has come. Divine personified, truth personified, whatever was written, it's fulfilment, it's completion, you can recognize it completely, through the waves of vibrations, because inside you a new awareness--which we call as vibratory awareness, has come, means whatever awareness is there, it has been enlightened. Through it you can know whether God is there, or not, what is the power of God, how does it work, do these chakras reside within us, or not, do gods and goddess reside on these chakras, or not. How do we get our evolution? How can we cure others, who has what disease, many such little little things you can know. Supposing one gentleman came, he said, 'Mother I went to the market and couldn't decide if I should buy this or not.' I said, 'You could have seen the vibrations.' Once I was going somewhere, somebody said that Immediately I got vibrations, and I thought that mother must have come somewhere here, so he reached that place. He said, See mother, I got vibrations, so I came here. One day they were worried, that mother has not arrived yet, then immediately he got vibrations, that mother has come. I also arrived there. So the vibrations keep talking to each other, they keep telling, they keep informing the accurate information. So miraculous they are, so miraculous, that I can't tell you. For example, I told you, this gentleman came to Delhi, he came here and said, I don't know where I should go to Delhi. So he remembered Mother and when he looked around, he saw a gentleman coming this way! So, he said, 'Who are you?' He said, 'I am a devotee of the mother.' 'I am also a devotee of mother!' He saw his vibrations and said, 'I know you. You have been given realisation by Mataji Nirmala Devi?' He said, 'Yes, how do You know?' He said, 'I am getting vibrations, You are getting vibrations.' They became friends. Their identity was established, that they are the children of the same Mother. You may go to America. One gentleman went to America and he also got into the same situation. He said 'I was lost', there I met another gentleman, and he said, vibrations are coming from you. I am also getting vibrations. He said, 'Are you a devotee of Mataji?' He said, 'Yes.' So he said, 'Come, Those who are our own, walk together.' That is how many things work out. Wherever you go you know through vibrations, it is such a fragrance. Everyone recognises. Even Dogs and cats will recognize you, that you have vibrations. Even little children recognize. They tell, that in our school there are 5 boys who are realised, others are not. Immediately they know who is realised, who is not. The one who is realised is our brother or sister because everyone is the child of the mother. This new thing enters our being. You think, how many brothers and sisters you have in England, in America. Not the way these Gurus have, not that way, but these are the real ones. They will run to help you. They will do everything for you. One gentleman was going from Rahuri, he was taking away his rags, he was taking rags of sugar, and rain started. All the rags got drenched in that rain. He said, now when the train stops somewhere, then only we will do something, otherwise, all these goods are gone. Then he went and said where should we go? Stop, there they got out. And where they stopped, the vibrations started coming. He said, here, where vibrations? Then he saw. My board was standing on the road. He said, Mother's board in this place? He went inside, and inside the bungalow was our centre! They said, come, then he said, we came seeing the poster, it is sitting in ?bhuliya?. Wherever I have gone, they have told me. Then they asked me, yes he came to me. One gentleman was sitting, in the morning when they woke up and saw the rags, they found all of them to be dried up. Then he got up. Whatever money there was, he got it. Lakshmi Ji's blessings are very great. There is no doubt about it. They are real. The real Lakshmi blesses. One Gentlemen used to come to me, from very far away, from Kalwe, very dignified man, but very poor, he used to do farming. I said to him, 'Every time you come with a necklace? It must cost too much. Why do you take so much trouble upon yourself, there is no need to do it every time. He said, 'Mother by your grace, Lakshmi Ji has blessed me.' He said, 'Mother I had a farm, it was abandoned, we didn't use to farm in it, because the clay was too soft, slippery.' A Sindhi came and said, 'Your clay is very good, will you give us?' He said, 'For what?' He said, 'For making bricks'. So he used to get 10× price of that same clay, and the farm was still there. Now just taking the clay of his farm, they gave 10× more than the price. He said, 'It is your blessing, it has happened after Sahaja Yoga, We couldn't even think.' That is how many people have been benefited. You get promotions also, I am saying this to make the government servants interested. First thing, promotion should happen, it will be done. You become Ajaatshatru (You rise above all your enemies, invulnerable.) All your enemies get out of your way. Private company people are also benefited, but the biggest thing is that you have to keep your Nabhi clean. Your Nabhi is out of order and you want, You say Lakshmi Ji has not been awakened, to keep the Nabhi Chakra clean, we have to keep purity, We have to think about it. There was a gentleman, he came to me, he said, nobody comes to my shop, it is not running. This I am talking about Pune. So I said, I will come. I went to his shop and gave him realisation, now the shop is doing so many sales that, he is very busy, he has become a very big man, now he does not even come to meet me. 'I remember you every time, but I do not get enough time, this business is there, that business is there.' I went to Pune two times, he didn't come to meet me. And when I went there for the first time, he was poor, poor man, by poor I mean that nobody used to listen to him. I remember, I went into a rickshaw, didn't have the car then, went in a rickshaw and the whole time he was crying that 'Mother you will go, what will happen to me?' Now the situation is this, that I went there and he didn't even come to meet me. So what is the use of such Money? What I mean is, that you understand, wisdom comes to you, balance comes, because you understand vibrations, you want to take this thing, then you understand that the vibrations are not good, leave it. All attachments dissolve, he becomes a witness. He sees all the drama. Today how many people have got their realisation, do your hands like this.

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“Deeper Meditation”, London, 20 February 1978 Cooly (Tony Paniotou) have you written it down? Shri Mataji: Hello, How are you? Yogi: Very well, thank you. Shri Mataji: May God bless! You can sit on the chair. Be comfortable. Yogi: Oh, that’s very kind! Shri Mataji: Ask Cooly to write it down for him. Yogi: He is doing it. Hello! How are you Douglas? How are you? Douglas Fry: Very well! Shri Mataji: Looking very fine! Just like a flower beautiful! See what beautiful children I have, just like these petals over here. Can you open a window for a while. Just open the window for five minutes. Sit comfortably. Be comfortable, like this. I mean. Yes, be very comfortable. One has to be very, very comfortable, very comfortable. She got it even before she had seen me! Because that shows that it’s flicking in the air. Today I want to tell you about further meditation: how we have to go and how we have to understand ourselves. You see the thing is, so far you have had habits of dealing with things, and your practices: how you have dealt with the worldly problems, with your personal problems, your physical problems, body problems, but now as you have entered into the Kingdom of God and the power of God is flowing through you, you must know that your solutions and your styles have to be different now; that is, you have to put your attention at the disposal of God. Actually in your attention His light is flooded. I will try to explain it, because it’s just the opposite of what you have so far known. You always thought that you have to put your attention to a point and then you have to move, then you have to attack the subject or attack the problem, put all your energies, divert to it and to then take upon yourself the responsibility, the complete technique of the whole thing, how to work it out. And that was a, sort of a, life’s experience for you. You would use all your experiences that you have had about such a problem, a particular type of problem, all others, whatever they have had, all the books that are available and even out of these enterprises that have been for a particular problem. All right. Then you attack it, that problem. And then you find that, when you try to attack, it just slips out of your hands, you just can’t find it, and you don’t understand how you have missed it. Now, this Sahaja is a very different system. Now you have entered into a Kingdom of God, you are saints, and everything that was built so far is for your good. You have to experiment and see for yourself. But the thing is: you must give it a chance. Your attention itself is now flooded with light. You don’t have to go to any books, you don’t have to go anywhere. Your attention itself is flooded with that light which is dynamic. Now, if anything comes in your attention, you just connect your attention with the Divine’s attention. How? By saying, “All right, let it be done. Let this be done as your wish.” “Thy will be done!” This is what you should say: Thy will be done. You just say this, you will be surprised. And then the whole mechanism, that enlightened attention of yours is the part of the attention of God Itself. So the whole thing will work out, the whole force. As you have worked for your personal problem before, now the whole of it will work out and it will happen. It’s such a wonderful thing. And the attention has to be there, has to be in the subtle. Because your attention is in the gross that’s why you attack the problem in this manner. If your attention is somehow or other made more attracted towards the subtle then, what happens [is] the effect of that will be shown. Otherwise also, you will see it. But then you will see it very clearly how it acts. For example now, say, I come in my room and you have done all these things so beautifully, it's all worked out so nicely, then when I come in here and I see all that, now I don’t see every minute part of it, I don't see how it is done, this, that, everything, but I just stand here, and I feel the whole thing within me, bubbling. It works, and it gives me joy, gives me joy, fills me with joy. Different types of joys start flowing in my body, in my being. In my full understanding it’s flowing and it’s making me happy. Now I don't judge it on the way the people who judge [would]. They would immediately come, supposing it’s another level of person, he would come and see in a very gross way. He’ll say, “Oh this one, it would be nice. And this is a stone and this is the thing.” and “This should not have been here and that should not have been there!” and “How much you paid for that?” and "Why did you give so much money?" It goes on, on like that. But a person who is Divine, he may talk the way you are talking, but in that also it's playing, the Divine is playing its part. It is just playing its part just to make a little, sort of a, hallucination for you. But inside that flow of the Divine is just to give you joy, to get you all right. Even when such a person scolds you or says something it has that way. In the same manner if you make yourself very, very subtle. How? That any gross ideas come into you, “You just shut up! I don’t like you.” Gradually your mind will be so trained, I mean, it would be so much understanding the nectar of subtleness that it would reject automatically. You will live with this world but you will not feel it, you will not be involved. You'll be eating food, all right very good and very nicely this, that, but then you don't know what you are eating. You are just enjoying the love that is in that food. So to be subtle and to be that love, your attention has to be on love. If your attention is guided by the price of the thing, the quality of the thing and all that, then that subtleness cannot be in you. So to be subtle is also a mental activity after Sahaj Yog. Now many people think Sahaja is a standstill stuff, which it's not true. Sometimes you misunderstand the meaning of ‘sahaj’. That is like a, first I say that the car will start sahaja, all right? But you put the accelerator on. You have to manoeuvre the thing, That is most sahaja because you have become a Sahaj. If your attention is sahaja then automatically you’ll manage. When you have mastered the manoeuvring of the car you just do it automatically, sahaj. But to be that Sahaja you have to first of all try. If you don't learn that, then that will mean that you are just at a standstill. “Oh I have left it to Sahaja, when the vibrations will come, they’ll come!” It won’t! Because there are still problems with you. You are not yet that subtle. So to remove that, now you can remove, to make yourself Sahaja. To cleanse yourself, absolutely, you have to work out a little. For example, now with vibrations like this you have an imbalance in the body, supposing, then you have to remove it. You know how to remove it. This is what has happened with Sahaja Yoga, that you know there is an imbalance, you know that my such chakra is catching, that this has happening. Now you bring it to the subtle point, [which] is first of all you have to work on it physically. All right? To make yourself absolutely clean there are so many ways. First and foremost is to feel the vibrations of different hands, seeing them, how it works out. Which is more, which is less, how it’s coming. Why is it this thing? Then finding out, “How? Where did I catch it?” “All right, Such and such person!” Beat him with shoes. These are all gross things and have to be taken away by gross things. You beat them. For me I don't need any beating or anything: just looking at it, it runs away. If I have been there only itself runs away. I don't have to bother. But for you people, you do catch. So for that reason you have to be careful: physically you have to work it out. So there’s so many ways. Like even, many people now were speaking, “Oh we are now Realised, why should we sit in the water?” No! Everyday as we have a bath, we have to do it. Mother knows many things, you know! It’s a very good idea, you see. Just to avoid what is there? “Now we are all right, you know, the vibrations we are getting in our had!” But you are not subtler! Still you catch from others. So all these physical things are to be done still, really, because still it is, we should say, paralysis still. It's not yet an absolutely perfectly a healthy person. So you have to do it. That’s one thing. Physically, whatever is the physical thing you know about. Even if you want you can take it out, like that, if there’s a problem. Now this fellow was nearly taken out like that. You can! You want to pull it out. It does! It does work. Every action after all is a sahaja action. Nobody does like this. You do it. Because it’s hot and terrible you just take it out. If you see a realised-soul, a small little child, you'll be amazed. They will go to an airport, they will be going on like this. All the time they will be going on like this, on their own! You don't have to tell them. But for you, you must understand that, that state is still there, so that you must feel it. And you should really throw it away. Physically it has to be done. It’s an exercise and you cannot be ‘sahaja’ about it, no. There is a difference between me and you, so you have to work it out. Those who think, "We are realised all right, finished! Now we are on top of the world!” You should grow, evolve in understanding, and respect ourselves, that, “No, we have to still rise and still rise and still rise.” This is the physical side which is very important. Then the second side is the mental side. Now mentally also all of the time we are bombarded with things from all over. You read the newspaper in the morning, its finished! You catch on your agnya, catch on your mooladhara — horrible thing it is. It’s a sadistic thing. If you see that you just get a fright, the way things are described. So what you have to do, mentally, you must understand these are horrid things. Now, you cannot say that, “I am innocent, I am reading this, it's all right!” No, you catch. So what you [should] do is to put a bandhan to the thing . And if you want today to read it, you read two lines, and if you think it's worth it, read it. Otherwise what’s the use reading pornography? That’s not meant for us. We are different people. You must know we are a different class. This is not meant for us at all. So what’s the use of reading anything that’s not going to give us pleasure? Read something pleasurable, something nice. Like the lecture of Sadat, I can say or something like that. Then you go to say, such things, or something like that, then you go ahead. And when you read it you support that person inside. But if you read pornography, you are caught and you become one of them. Because of the habits, just the old habits, you see. These are old habits. Anything that you see must you read? Not necessarily. People have habits of reading all the advertisements on the way. If they miss one they'll turn round to see that they didn’t miss it. Another they’ll see this and this. These are the habits we have. So we have to make our attention subtler: “Oh where are you going?” So be alert about it. So mentally we have to be alert. Then another thing of mentally is to see what thoughts are coming to you. Still negative thoughts come to you, [there’s] no denying of the fact. May not be about Sahaj Yoga, but may be it's about something else, may be about something in life. You might be dreaming about such things. At that time what you have to do is to sit down and do a push with positive thoughts like, as I said a very good way they say [is] that, count your blessings one by one. Say, “How fortunate am I? In this world there are so many people. Out of that even in this London there are so many. Out of that I am the one who has found out really the Truth. How fortunate I am! And I am the one who is going on the right path, I feel it. And I am moving. If I have to move it on this path, let me be very, very positive. So let me move on this way.” When you start doing that you will be amazed that gradually these negative ideas will go away. Because even now you are attacked. You are very much attacked. And the ideas come to you. And then, as your habits are, because you are all the intelligent people, and brought up with this intelligent atmosphere, there are styles I have seen. The intelligent styles are very dangerous, they are more dangerous than foolish styles. The intelligent styles are that you take it in such a way that you cheat yourself. All the time you start accepting things and you start cheating yourself. And these ideas get sedimented in your being, gradually. And suddenly you find a big thing in your head and you say, “Oh, from where this has come in? What has happened to me?” So be careful! Because these sedimentations will be settling down in you, gradually. And you have had those habits of intelligent way of doing things. When you do intelligently? Actually what is intelligent doing, so many times, is just to push it upside down and bring it inside you. You can see this is something so funny but it is so, that when you deal with something intelligently you know how to escape it, and how to avoid it and how to make it look different to yourself. You yourself, with intelligence, deceive yourself and make it look different and then you accept that thing, and that becomes a part and parcel of you and you are not aware of it. Isn’t it Gregoire? It’s a common style, so be careful! When you start clearing out your Vishuddhi part of it, you will be surprised the subtleness will start flowing in you, the subtleness will appear before you. The subtleness is a state. It is a state of your attention. Your attention is gross outside. Now you think of some sort of a moon which is just a stone you can call it. Then it starts little bit moving, becomes little, I should say, mobile, then gradually it becomes subtle. The core is melting away, the outside is still hard. It’s like that is your attention. It starts melting in you. Now you are in the core, you are not outside, but whenever you come in contact, the core part contacts with the gross, suddenly you start becoming one with it, then the crust starts again becoming an immobile stuff and the core starts becoming strong. Again you increase the core, it starts again to go out to periphery and the things stars melting. That is how the attention, if you can understand, is. And that attention, which is enlightened in you, has to be kept all the time enlightened: no justification with yourself! With others also we don't have to justify. It’s all right. You think that we must grow, we must be all right, we must be very good and when we find somebody is troubling us, it’s rather difficult to tolerate a nonsense like that, it’s true. But, for that, I am sitting down, and you just tell me and I can manage it! You have seen [how] we have solved one problem very nicely, and we can solve all the problems. (laughing) It’s a very clever way, isn't it? That's the subtle way! It just gets solved! So you don’t have to worry about anything. You don’t have to think [a] hundred times! Though I am the person who has put you in problems! You see, I’ll tell you, “Do like this! You should have done like this! You should have put in effort like this!” But the problem I will be solving myself, you see. But I will make you run up and down to see that. On the contrary when you see me doing like that you should understand I am I am playing tricks with you! So the problems can be solved just like that (Mother clicks her fingers), if your attention is subtle. But if it is not the basic problem is that you cannot approach this. The approach to the problem is only possible if you are a subtle being. If you are not a subtle being you cannot approach any problem. So, to be subtle and to be there, to be Divine, one has to understand the grossness that is covering you. Through Kundalini you can because you can raise your Kundalini, see where it is hanging. “Now it’s very heavy here. It’s like a stone here. It’s thumping here. It’s doing all these things.” Now, it’s a very gross way of looking at it, very gross way of looking at it. It is suggesting to you, something. So what you have to do is to see for yourself now, at Sahasrara - that’s the place for Somebody we know - then you just sit down and say, “Now what have I done? Why these problems I myself am having? And if I have done anything like that, please forgive me!” It works out. It’s a simple way. But first of all, foremost thing, is that, what is the substance you gave me? Is it a subtle substance that’s speaking or the gross one? From which point are you speaking is the thing. Supposing you are speaking from that point where you are a governor general, everybody has to obey you! But if you are speaking from the point where you are a peon, nobody is going to obey you. So where is the attention is the thing. So mentally you have to work it out in your meditation. Now you sit down for meditation, all right, mostly trying to be thoughtlessly aware. But if there are thoughts you should try to keep it down by saying, “How fortunate that I have felt these vibrations, I felt it. And how happy I am about it! Now you get away all the negative thoughts!” That’s how you can fight it out. Now whatever you do will lead you to Sahaja, not before. Before Realisation it has no meaning. It was a dead car standing there, but now the car has started moving. And whatever you do whatever you try, it will make you subtler and subtler. Simple things like the declaration that, “Yes, I am going to do this! I have decided to do it.” Put your mind to positive thinking: What are we going to do? How are we going to do it? How are we going to work it out? You will be surprised how the things will come. But normally our habits are for our gross problems. Now I would say Bombay Sahaja Yogis are quite developed and they are quite good but still sometimes they really tumble down very badly. This time I thought they were a little bit proud than anything else because Delhi people were not so good at things and they had to come and do it. And I think that Bombay people did feel that they were sort of lending a hand to Delhi people. It happened. But then they found themselves quite low and and all of them Humpty Dumpties sitting down there! You see, so it can happen. So anyone who feels that, “I have achieved everything!” or, “I have reached anything!” can have a Humpty Dumpty fall. Because it was so beautifully played. I'll tell you what happened: They came down and then in the Old Delhi we had no place to stay properly so I said, “All right, you arrange my place in the guesthouse and they can stay in the boys hostel and the girls can stay in the girls hostel.” They said, “All right it can be done.” So then the gross thing came in: so one of the persons said that, “You see but the food in that boys hostel is full of oil and how can we eat there?” And I didn’t know about it, nobody told me. And then they had to arrange it with somebody and they had to suddenly purchase all the food and everything and then to arrange a cook and they stayed with somebody. And where they stayed was all full of bhoots! And they were all caught up in the head, terrible and this and that and they came to me. So they said, “Mother what has happened to us? We came all the way and this is what has happened. Now we are all vomiting and this has happened. ” I said, “Why? Where are you eating these days? Not in that oily place?” They said, “No, we have our own cook we have our everything, but the problem is the house is full of bhoots and we are all finished with that!” So I said, “Who had asked you to suggest that? Can't you eat that food? So many thousands of boys are eating here. You are Sahaja Yogis you can't eat that food? Your attention is on the oily food. What is so special about yourselves that you can't eat? I mean you should be able to eat even the stones. That’s what Sahaja Yoga is. But you can’t eat the ordinary food that all so many thousands of boys are eating? And you wanted to stay away - such importance of yourself, so go ahead!” And it was all done by satanic forces. You should have thought once at least that, “Why are we wanting to go away from here to that place? And where it is all organised, let us be here!” That is Sahaja. That part also they didn’t understand — discrimination also of what is Sahaja and what is asahaja? Where are you Sahaja and where are you not, you should discriminate it. That point at least one should reach. So the so called, the high, top class Sahaja Yogis fell down - dlaap! - like that, and they felt very shy and bad. I said, “It’s all right, don't you worry.” But it’s a simple thing. It's a lesson now. Because you can overcome [the] food problem but what about the bhoots? Why should you go in with somebody, a person who has just come to Sahaja Yoga, and you don't know what sort of person he is? They said, “Mother, it's your Maya!” I said, “But what about you? You people were thinking that you are great and you are the greatest Sahaj Yogis ever born, and you are the topmost among all the world! So don’t think like this.” And this is what happened. So it plays on you, just to test you and it works on you. So, ‘sahaja’ means whatever comes your way you take it, no doubt, but you do it yourself with positiveness. That is very necessary. That doesn’t mean that you go on accepting everything ‘sahaja’ : “The bhoots coming onto me, I’m accepting. Everything coming onto me I’m accepting!” That is not the way it is Sahaja, that’s the point. When we start doing like that, then actually ‘sahaja’ what you will get is bhoots, and what you will get is all the negativity, and also you’ll get all the sickness, illness, everything. You have to be careful. So mentally you should be alert. Physically you should work it out. And physically there's another point: is that you must look after your bodies, physically. [It’s] very much necessary, because this body is the temple of God. It is definitely now the temple. It’s a shrine. See how beautiful a shrine you have got. And I love to reside in this place. Let it be so beautiful that God should reside in that. Beautiful it is. Look after your body, look after your hair, look after yourself. If you treat yourself, there’s no harm. People might say that, “Why should I treat myself? I must take all the burdens on myself!” All these out of date ideas of sufferings are useless for Sahaj Yog. Nobody has to suffer. You have to be very, very healthy people. Like somebody said, “Why is it that Ramkrishna Paramahansa did not cure himself?” Because he did not know how to cure himself, first of all. But Ramkrishna said, “I want to take all the burdens on my head.” You don't get sick if somebody is sick; you do not get sick. But, the only thing is that, if you look after your body, if you respect your body, then your body also respects you. You body understands! If you don’t care for your body, you neglect your body, then body also says, “All right I'll have my way!” So you have to look after your body. You have to know how to keep it all right. I think we should really write it down, all the things that are to be done to look after your body. That is very important, because in these modern times or in these modern societies, of course you have devised ways of comfort that you press here, then you get everything coming down, you press there and you get food inside your stomach and all that is there. Not everywhere this is! That is all comfort they call it but I call it lethargy, or can call it laziness. It is not going to give you good health. Good health is possible only if you understand the balancing and have every understanding about how the body acts and what happens to body: small, small things like hot and cold, cold and hot. This is very important for Sahaj Yoga. Sahaja Yogis have to be perfect, absolutely perfect. And you don’t have to do with the norms of the modern times that everybody should be thin and everybody should be absolutely TB patients going around for some sort of a beauty parade! You should be all very healthy people and impressive. Whenever you sit there people should literally be frightened of you that, “From where these wrestlers have come?” (laughing) So this is the sign of attending to your health attending to yourself and your mental health also. And that’s why I say that you [should] be that you careful as to what you read and what you see and what you hear and how much attention you pay to it. You see supposing now a person like David comes in: you pay too much attention to a man like that. Everything is filled with that, the whole atmosphere is talking about it. Everybody is worried about it, it's all going on. It’s negative. I think you talked more about David than about me at that time. Because I have also come, but David was there. But [this] sort of thing, it happens. Because we are used to seeing a thing like a sensational thing coming up, you see. Like newspapers will always publish something sensational. We are used to sensational things, so Mr. David was quite important. But just see how unimportant he was — he’s just disappeared. So if you had just neglected him and not bothered very much paying attention to him... I hope Cooly is not too long with the fellow, please call him. You see, I don't want Cooly to be curing him and getting into trouble. All right. So the regular habits of sitting in the water and all that should be done. Also regular habits about your mind: is not to read this. Just avoid! You don’t want to read any more of these things. There are so many beautiful books you can read. If you have to read and if you are used to it, you can read beautiful books. I have told you so many of them are there. You can read The Bible and see for yourself that it is all Sahaja, every word. You can find out so many quotations and so many things which can help us to tell these Christians, otherwise they are not going to listen to us. They are such conformed sort of things, that you have to tell something from The Bible. You can read Koran, you can read other books like Khalil Gibran and things, which are supporting you, which are also helping you which are giving you ideas. Are you all right? You sure? I think better put your left hand towards me and right hand outside. So you can close it now (turn off the recording).

“Deeper Meditation”, London, 20 February 1978 Cooly (Tony Paniotou) have you written it down? Shri Mataji: Hello, How are you? Yogi: Very well, thank you. Shri Mataji: May God bless! You can sit on the chair. Be comfortable. Yogi: Oh, that’s very kind! Shri Mataji: Ask Cooly to write it down for him. Yogi: He is doing it. Hello! How are you Douglas? How are you? Douglas Fry: Very well! Shri Mataji: Looking very fine! Just like a flower beautiful! See what beautiful children I have, just like these petals over here. Can you open a window for a while. Just open the window for five minutes. Sit comfortably. Be comfortable, like this. I mean. Yes, be very comfortable. One has to be very, very comfortable, very comfortable. She got it even before she had seen me! Because that shows that it’s flicking in the air. Today I want to tell you about further meditation: how we have to go and how we have to understand ourselves. You see the thing is, so far you have had habits of dealing with things, and your practices: how you have dealt with the worldly problems, with your personal problems, your physical problems, body problems, but now as you have entered into the Kingdom of God and the power of God is flowing through you, you must know that your solutions and your styles have to be different now; that is, you have to put your attention at the disposal of God. Actually in your attention His light is flooded. I will try to explain it, because it’s just the opposite of what you have so far known. You always thought that you have to put your attention to a point and then you have to move, then you have to attack the subject or attack the problem, put all your energies, divert to it and to then take upon yourself the responsibility, the complete technique of the whole thing, how to work it out. And that was a, sort of a, life’s experience for you. You would use all your experiences that you have had about such a problem, a particular type of problem, all others, whatever they have had, all the books that are available and even out of these enterprises that have been for a particular problem. All right. Then you attack it, that problem. And then you find that, when you try to attack, it just slips out of your hands, you just can’t find it, and you don’t understand how you have missed it. Now, this Sahaja is a very different system. Now you have entered into a Kingdom of God, you are saints, and everything that was built so far is for your good. You have to experiment and see for yourself. But the thing is: you must give it a chance. Your attention itself is now flooded with light. You don’t have to go to any books, you don’t have to go anywhere. Your attention itself is flooded with that light which is dynamic. Now, if anything comes in your attention, you just connect your attention with the Divine’s attention. How? By saying, “All right, let it be done. Let this be done as your wish.” “Thy will be done!” This is what you should say: Thy will be done. You just say this, you will be surprised. And then the whole mechanism, that enlightened attention of yours is the part of the attention of God Itself. So the whole thing will work out, the whole force. As you have worked for your personal problem before, now the whole of it will work out and it will happen. It’s such a wonderful thing. And the attention has to be there, has to be in the subtle. Because your attention is in the gross that’s why you attack the problem in this manner. If your attention is somehow or other made more attracted towards the subtle then, what happens [is] the effect of that will be shown. Otherwise also, you will see it. But then you will see it very clearly how it acts. For example now, say, I come in my room and you have done all these things so beautifully, it's all worked out so nicely, then when I come in here and I see all that, now I don’t see every minute part of it, I don't see how it is done, this, that, everything, but I just stand here, and I feel the whole thing within me, bubbling. It works, and it gives me joy, gives me joy, fills me with joy. Different types of joys start flowing in my body, in my being. In my full understanding it’s flowing and it’s making me happy. Now I don't judge it on the way the people who judge [would]. They would immediately come, supposing it’s another level of person, he would come and see in a very gross way. He’ll say, “Oh this one, it would be nice. And this is a stone and this is the thing.” and “This should not have been here and that should not have been there!” and “How much you paid for that?” and "Why did you give so much money?" It goes on, on like that. But a person who is Divine, he may talk the way you are talking, but in that also it's playing, the Divine is playing its part. It is just playing its part just to make a little, sort of a, hallucination for you. But inside that flow of the Divine is just to give you joy, to get you all right. Even when such a person scolds you or says something it has that way. In the same manner if you make yourself very, very subtle. How? That any gross ideas come into you, “You just shut up! I don’t like you.” Gradually your mind will be so trained, I mean, it would be so much understanding the nectar of subtleness that it would reject automatically. You will live with this world but you will not feel it, you will not be involved. You'll be eating food, all right very good and very nicely this, that, but then you don't know what you are eating. You are just enjoying the love that is in that food. So to be subtle and to be that love, your attention has to be on love. If your attention is guided by the price of the thing, the quality of the thing and all that, then that subtleness cannot be in you. So to be subtle is also a mental activity after Sahaj Yog. Now many people think Sahaja is a standstill stuff, which it's not true. Sometimes you misunderstand the meaning of ‘sahaj’. That is like a, first I say that the car will start sahaja, all right? But you put the accelerator on. You have to manoeuvre the thing, That is most sahaja because you have become a Sahaj. If your attention is sahaja then automatically you’ll manage. When you have mastered the manoeuvring of the car you just do it automatically, sahaj. But to be that Sahaja you have to first of all try. If you don't learn that, then that will mean that you are just at a standstill. “Oh I have left it to Sahaja, when the vibrations will come, they’ll come!” It won’t! Because there are still problems with you. You are not yet that subtle. So to remove that, now you can remove, to make yourself Sahaja. To cleanse yourself, absolutely, you have to work out a little. For example, now with vibrations like this you have an imbalance in the body, supposing, then you have to remove it. You know how to remove it. This is what has happened with Sahaja Yoga, that you know there is an imbalance, you know that my such chakra is catching, that this has happening. Now you bring it to the subtle point, [which] is first of all you have to work on it physically. All right? To make yourself absolutely clean there are so many ways. First and foremost is to feel the vibrations of different hands, seeing them, how it works out. Which is more, which is less, how it’s coming. Why is it this thing? Then finding out, “How? Where did I catch it?” “All right, Such and such person!” Beat him with shoes. These are all gross things and have to be taken away by gross things. You beat them. For me I don't need any beating or anything: just looking at it, it runs away. If I have been there only itself runs away. I don't have to bother. But for you people, you do catch. So for that reason you have to be careful: physically you have to work it out. So there’s so many ways. Like even, many people now were speaking, “Oh we are now Realised, why should we sit in the water?” No! Everyday as we have a bath, we have to do it. Mother knows many things, you know! It’s a very good idea, you see. Just to avoid what is there? “Now we are all right, you know, the vibrations we are getting in our had!” But you are not subtler! Still you catch from others. So all these physical things are to be done still, really, because still it is, we should say, paralysis still. It's not yet an absolutely perfectly a healthy person. So you have to do it. That’s one thing. Physically, whatever is the physical thing you know about. Even if you want you can take it out, like that, if there’s a problem. Now this fellow was nearly taken out like that. You can! You want to pull it out. It does! It does work. Every action after all is a sahaja action. Nobody does like this. You do it. Because it’s hot and terrible you just take it out. If you see a realised-soul, a small little child, you'll be amazed. They will go to an airport, they will be going on like this. All the time they will be going on like this, on their own! You don't have to tell them. But for you, you must understand that, that state is still there, so that you must feel it. And you should really throw it away. Physically it has to be done. It’s an exercise and you cannot be ‘sahaja’ about it, no. There is a difference between me and you, so you have to work it out. Those who think, "We are realised all right, finished! Now we are on top of the world!” You should grow, evolve in understanding, and respect ourselves, that, “No, we have to still rise and still rise and still rise.” This is the physical side which is very important. Then the second side is the mental side. Now mentally also all of the time we are bombarded with things from all over. You read the newspaper in the morning, its finished! You catch on your agnya, catch on your mooladhara — horrible thing it is. It’s a sadistic thing. If you see that you just get a fright, the way things are described. So what you have to do, mentally, you must understand these are horrid things. Now, you cannot say that, “I am innocent, I am reading this, it's all right!” No, you catch. So what you [should] do is to put a bandhan to the thing . And if you want today to read it, you read two lines, and if you think it's worth it, read it. Otherwise what’s the use reading pornography? That’s not meant for us. We are different people. You must know we are a different class. This is not meant for us at all. So what’s the use of reading anything that’s not going to give us pleasure? Read something pleasurable, something nice. Like the lecture of Sadat, I can say or something like that. Then you go to say, such things, or something like that, then you go ahead. And when you read it you support that person inside. But if you read pornography, you are caught and you become one of them. Because of the habits, just the old habits, you see. These are old habits. Anything that you see must you read? Not necessarily. People have habits of reading all the advertisements on the way. If they miss one they'll turn round to see that they didn’t miss it. Another they’ll see this and this. These are the habits we have. So we have to make our attention subtler: “Oh where are you going?” So be alert about it. So mentally we have to be alert. Then another thing of mentally is to see what thoughts are coming to you. Still negative thoughts come to you, [there’s] no denying of the fact. May not be about Sahaj Yoga, but may be it's about something else, may be about something in life. You might be dreaming about such things. At that time what you have to do is to sit down and do a push with positive thoughts like, as I said a very good way they say [is] that, count your blessings one by one. Say, “How fortunate am I? In this world there are so many people. Out of that even in this London there are so many. Out of that I am the one who has found out really the Truth. How fortunate I am! And I am the one who is going on the right path, I feel it. And I am moving. If I have to move it on this path, let me be very, very positive. So let me move on this way.” When you start doing that you will be amazed that gradually these negative ideas will go away. Because even now you are attacked. You are very much attacked. And the ideas come to you. And then, as your habits are, because you are all the intelligent people, and brought up with this intelligent atmosphere, there are styles I have seen. The intelligent styles are very dangerous, they are more dangerous than foolish styles. The intelligent styles are that you take it in such a way that you cheat yourself. All the time you start accepting things and you start cheating yourself. And these ideas get sedimented in your being, gradually. And suddenly you find a big thing in your head and you say, “Oh, from where this has come in? What has happened to me?” So be careful! Because these sedimentations will be settling down in you, gradually. And you have had those habits of intelligent way of doing things. When you do intelligently? Actually what is intelligent doing, so many times, is just to push it upside down and bring it inside you. You can see this is something so funny but it is so, that when you deal with something intelligently you know how to escape it, and how to avoid it and how to make it look different to yourself. You yourself, with intelligence, deceive yourself and make it look different and then you accept that thing, and that becomes a part and parcel of you and you are not aware of it. Isn’t it Gregoire? It’s a common style, so be careful! When you start clearing out your Vishuddhi part of it, you will be surprised the subtleness will start flowing in you, the subtleness will appear before you. The subtleness is a state. It is a state of your attention. Your attention is gross outside. Now you think of some sort of a moon which is just a stone you can call it. Then it starts little bit moving, becomes little, I should say, mobile, then gradually it becomes subtle. The core is melting away, the outside is still hard. It’s like that is your attention. It starts melting in you. Now you are in the core, you are not outside, but whenever you come in contact, the core part contacts with the gross, suddenly you start becoming one with it, then the crust starts again becoming an immobile stuff and the core starts becoming strong. Again you increase the core, it starts again to go out to periphery and the things stars melting. That is how the attention, if you can understand, is. And that attention, which is enlightened in you, has to be kept all the time enlightened: no justification with yourself! With others also we don't have to justify. It’s all right. You think that we must grow, we must be all right, we must be very good and when we find somebody is troubling us, it’s rather difficult to tolerate a nonsense like that, it’s true. But, for that, I am sitting down, and you just tell me and I can manage it! You have seen [how] we have solved one problem very nicely, and we can solve all the problems. (laughing) It’s a very clever way, isn't it? That's the subtle way! It just gets solved! So you don’t have to worry about anything. You don’t have to think [a] hundred times! Though I am the person who has put you in problems! You see, I’ll tell you, “Do like this! You should have done like this! You should have put in effort like this!” But the problem I will be solving myself, you see. But I will make you run up and down to see that. On the contrary when you see me doing like that you should understand I am I am playing tricks with you! So the problems can be solved just like that (Mother clicks her fingers), if your attention is subtle. But if it is not the basic problem is that you cannot approach this. The approach to the problem is only possible if you are a subtle being. If you are not a subtle being you cannot approach any problem. So, to be subtle and to be there, to be Divine, one has to understand the grossness that is covering you. Through Kundalini you can because you can raise your Kundalini, see where it is hanging. “Now it’s very heavy here. It’s like a stone here. It’s thumping here. It’s doing all these things.” Now, it’s a very gross way of looking at it, very gross way of looking at it. It is suggesting to you, something. So what you have to do is to see for yourself now, at Sahasrara - that’s the place for Somebody we know - then you just sit down and say, “Now what have I done? Why these problems I myself am having? And if I have done anything like that, please forgive me!” It works out. It’s a simple way. But first of all, foremost thing, is that, what is the substance you gave me? Is it a subtle substance that’s speaking or the gross one? From which point are you speaking is the thing. Supposing you are speaking from that point where you are a governor general, everybody has to obey you! But if you are speaking from the point where you are a peon, nobody is going to obey you. So where is the attention is the thing. So mentally you have to work it out in your meditation. Now you sit down for meditation, all right, mostly trying to be thoughtlessly aware. But if there are thoughts you should try to keep it down by saying, “How fortunate that I have felt these vibrations, I felt it. And how happy I am about it! Now you get away all the negative thoughts!” That’s how you can fight it out. Now whatever you do will lead you to Sahaja, not before. Before Realisation it has no meaning. It was a dead car standing there, but now the car has started moving. And whatever you do whatever you try, it will make you subtler and subtler. Simple things like the declaration that, “Yes, I am going to do this! I have decided to do it.” Put your mind to positive thinking: What are we going to do? How are we going to do it? How are we going to work it out? You will be surprised how the things will come. But normally our habits are for our gross problems. Now I would say Bombay Sahaja Yogis are quite developed and they are quite good but still sometimes they really tumble down very badly. This time I thought they were a little bit proud than anything else because Delhi people were not so good at things and they had to come and do it. And I think that Bombay people did feel that they were sort of lending a hand to Delhi people. It happened. But then they found themselves quite low and and all of them Humpty Dumpties sitting down there! You see, so it can happen. So anyone who feels that, “I have achieved everything!” or, “I have reached anything!” can have a Humpty Dumpty fall. Because it was so beautifully played. I'll tell you what happened: They came down and then in the Old Delhi we had no place to stay properly so I said, “All right, you arrange my place in the guesthouse and they can stay in the boys hostel and the girls can stay in the girls hostel.” They said, “All right it can be done.” So then the gross thing came in: so one of the persons said that, “You see but the food in that boys hostel is full of oil and how can we eat there?” And I didn’t know about it, nobody told me. And then they had to arrange it with somebody and they had to suddenly purchase all the food and everything and then to arrange a cook and they stayed with somebody. And where they stayed was all full of bhoots! And they were all caught up in the head, terrible and this and that and they came to me. So they said, “Mother what has happened to us? We came all the way and this is what has happened. Now we are all vomiting and this has happened. ” I said, “Why? Where are you eating these days? Not in that oily place?” They said, “No, we have our own cook we have our everything, but the problem is the house is full of bhoots and we are all finished with that!” So I said, “Who had asked you to suggest that? Can't you eat that food? So many thousands of boys are eating here. You are Sahaja Yogis you can't eat that food? Your attention is on the oily food. What is so special about yourselves that you can't eat? I mean you should be able to eat even the stones. That’s what Sahaja Yoga is. But you can’t eat the ordinary food that all so many thousands of boys are eating? And you wanted to stay away - such importance of yourself, so go ahead!” And it was all done by satanic forces. You should have thought once at least that, “Why are we wanting to go away from here to that place? And where it is all organised, let us be here!” That is Sahaja. That part also they didn’t understand — discrimination also of what is Sahaja and what is asahaja? Where are you Sahaja and where are you not, you should discriminate it. That point at least one should reach. So the so called, the high, top class Sahaja Yogis fell down - dlaap! - like that, and they felt very shy and bad. I said, “It’s all right, don't you worry.” But it’s a simple thing. It's a lesson now. Because you can overcome [the] food problem but what about the bhoots? Why should you go in with somebody, a person who has just come to Sahaja Yoga, and you don't know what sort of person he is? They said, “Mother, it's your Maya!” I said, “But what about you? You people were thinking that you are great and you are the greatest Sahaj Yogis ever born, and you are the topmost among all the world! So don’t think like this.” And this is what happened. So it plays on you, just to test you and it works on you. So, ‘sahaja’ means whatever comes your way you take it, no doubt, but you do it yourself with positiveness. That is very necessary. That doesn’t mean that you go on accepting everything ‘sahaja’ : “The bhoots coming onto me, I’m accepting. Everything coming onto me I’m accepting!” That is not the way it is Sahaja, that’s the point. When we start doing like that, then actually ‘sahaja’ what you will get is bhoots, and what you will get is all the negativity, and also you’ll get all the sickness, illness, everything. You have to be careful. So mentally you should be alert. Physically you should work it out. And physically there's another point: is that you must look after your bodies, physically. [It’s] very much necessary, because this body is the temple of God. It is definitely now the temple. It’s a shrine. See how beautiful a shrine you have got. And I love to reside in this place. Let it be so beautiful that God should reside in that. Beautiful it is. Look after your body, look after your hair, look after yourself. If you treat yourself, there’s no harm. People might say that, “Why should I treat myself? I must take all the burdens on myself!” All these out of date ideas of sufferings are useless for Sahaj Yog. Nobody has to suffer. You have to be very, very healthy people. Like somebody said, “Why is it that Ramkrishna Paramahansa did not cure himself?” Because he did not know how to cure himself, first of all. But Ramkrishna said, “I want to take all the burdens on my head.” You don't get sick if somebody is sick; you do not get sick. But, the only thing is that, if you look after your body, if you respect your body, then your body also respects you. You body understands! If you don’t care for your body, you neglect your body, then body also says, “All right I'll have my way!” So you have to look after your body. You have to know how to keep it all right. I think we should really write it down, all the things that are to be done to look after your body. That is very important, because in these modern times or in these modern societies, of course you have devised ways of comfort that you press here, then you get everything coming down, you press there and you get food inside your stomach and all that is there. Not everywhere this is! That is all comfort they call it but I call it lethargy, or can call it laziness. It is not going to give you good health. Good health is possible only if you understand the balancing and have every understanding about how the body acts and what happens to body: small, small things like hot and cold, cold and hot. This is very important for Sahaj Yoga. Sahaja Yogis have to be perfect, absolutely perfect. And you don’t have to do with the norms of the modern times that everybody should be thin and everybody should be absolutely TB patients going around for some sort of a beauty parade! You should be all very healthy people and impressive. Whenever you sit there people should literally be frightened of you that, “From where these wrestlers have come?” (laughing) So this is the sign of attending to your health attending to yourself and your mental health also. And that’s why I say that you [should] be that you careful as to what you read and what you see and what you hear and how much attention you pay to it. You see supposing now a person like David comes in: you pay too much attention to a man like that. Everything is filled with that, the whole atmosphere is talking about it. Everybody is worried about it, it's all going on. It’s negative. I think you talked more about David than about me at that time. Because I have also come, but David was there. But [this] sort of thing, it happens. Because we are used to seeing a thing like a sensational thing coming up, you see. Like newspapers will always publish something sensational. We are used to sensational things, so Mr. David was quite important. But just see how unimportant he was — he’s just disappeared. So if you had just neglected him and not bothered very much paying attention to him... I hope Cooly is not too long with the fellow, please call him. You see, I don't want Cooly to be curing him and getting into trouble. All right. So the regular habits of sitting in the water and all that should be done. Also regular habits about your mind: is not to read this. Just avoid! You don’t want to read any more of these things. There are so many beautiful books you can read. If you have to read and if you are used to it, you can read beautiful books. I have told you so many of them are there. You can read The Bible and see for yourself that it is all Sahaja, every word. You can find out so many quotations and so many things which can help us to tell these Christians, otherwise they are not going to listen to us. They are such conformed sort of things, that you have to tell something from The Bible. You can read Koran, you can read other books like Khalil Gibran and things, which are supporting you, which are also helping you which are giving you ideas. Are you all right? You sure? I think better put your left hand towards me and right hand outside. So you can close it now (turn off the recording).

2/20/1978

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Nabhi Chakra, London1978-02-20 How it is placed within us. Nabhi chakra also has got two sides- left and right. On the left hand side of the Nabhi chakra is placed as a centre or you call it a chakra or a sub-chakra called as the Chandra means the moon. Moon centre on the left hand side, and right hand side is the sun centre and they are placed exactly on the moon line and the sun line i.e. first the Ida and the Pingala. These two centres are the two points up to which we can go and move from left to right. Beyond that when we start going you cross the limits. Now these two centres when localized, see they have vertical vibrations flow over to them but when they are localized at that point how we spoil them. We must understand. Left Nabhi and right Nabhi are interdependent on each other. If you pull too much of left Nabhi or work too much on left Nabhi then right Nabhi also can catch. But say we will take one by one. Now the left Nabhi is caught, normally if you eat food at somebody’s house who is a sort of spiritualist or who is giving a prasad like say Satya Sai baba this horrible fellow, his those vibhutis as they call it because it comes from the cremation ground, see that ash, all these things and all these types of food when you eat…. a person who believes in the past; in the Sanskrit past is bhoot is the word for past or you can call it in the subconscious. That food carries the vibrations. A person who has cooked specially that kind of a food can give you a left Nabhi to begin with(inaudible). Now left Nabhi gives you superstitious temperament very superstitious, you become superstitious, you get frightened of things small things, even in Sahaja Yoga you find such a person superstitions will be there and these superstitions can be very very dangerous. Now how to overcome this left Nabhi problem? Is to leave everything as far as superstition is concerned. Now see you see a cat crossing the road. Now you know that it’s a bad thing…you cross that road deliberately. You see that right hand has to be put for this and left hand is to be put for that, by mistake you do something wrong just go ahead with it. Don’t get frightened of anything at that time you see it frightens you. Superstitions come out of fear and fright that is built, any superstition whatsoever. Now you can take it in a wider scale: for example people are superstitious about nations, oh, he is Jew, he is Greek, he is Russian, he is Indian, he is British…you see sort of these are collective superstitions which are impressed on us so much so that we are superstitious and we start judging them accordingly. So the superstition can be only overcome by facing them directly. Alright see what happens. Any small or big or collective. As I said a small thing like a cat passing is a small one. In a big way people will say, I mean, there are all kinds of superstitions if you can think about ..anything like say now Alex is a pilot and he knows that how pilots work out superstitions and they work on omens and things, they go to fortune tellers and ask them whether this is good or that is bad and all. The more they do it and the more they catch, and the more they do it, it becomes a bad omen for them. You see, it's such a vicious circle it goes on building in them. Now the essence of the whole thing is that see why we are afraid because we are afraid of the subconscious dominations. We are trying to get rid of the subconscious domination, that’s what we are afraid of. But as a result of superstitious nature we fall more into the subconscious and start accepting it. Now in this I will tell you in India there is a girl Nima you know very well. She has a left Nabhi. Most of the Jainis they have. Jain people they have it . The reason is they are brought up like that in superstitions because Mahavira himself told them that don’t go near the subconscious and he described the whole subconscious. So all his disciples are became slaves of subconscious directly. Just imagine. What a shame it is., I mean when you see that you have to take his name, Mahavira’s name and he became so much abandoned about that.So much abandoned that he went to such a limit, that once he was walking on the road and they said, ‘don’t go today because it’s a bad day and you will have some problem’. He said,’ I will go’. He was going through a jungle and then a wind started blowing and he had one big cloth wrapped around his body and the cloth got caught up in a bush. So people said,’ see we had said that we should not have come now half cloth is gone’. So he cut his half cloth, so he was left with half. Then next time he was going somewhere and people said that don’t go that way, there are too many problems and you will have a bad time. He said, ‘what’s bad time’ …so was going and he found a man lying in a very bad condition and all wounds in his body and all the small what you call this germs and all flies and small …what you call that…( maggots) haan..they were all trying to trouble him so he covered his body with half of cloth (inaudible). They are so terrible, so terrible in their superstitions that they think that you should abandon to such a limit that you shouldn’t go to the barber,so they go on all the time picking their hair. See they don’t wear any dresses, nothing they wear. Can you imagine such horrible people. Once it happened, you don’t have to go to America for that, in India you can see this very inauspicious thing. My husband was collector you see of one district and they invited us because there was some problem between their two sets Shwethambars and Digambaras and the Shwethambaras are people who wear white dresses at least, but the Digambaras don’t wear anything. They are gurus who just move about like that, absolutely without even a single thing on their body and with me the collector and Mrs collector were very nicely (inaudible) had come to a big gathering and sat there before us on this platform. Can you imagine? All these naked people sitting and they were putting hands up and this and they were pulling all their hair from everywhere ..it was such a horrid situation..and my husband is a very shy fellow you see…he didn’t know where to look (Mother laughs)what sort of a thing is this… I said I know..he said why didn’t you tell me (laughter) I mean he was absolutely perspiring in shame and I think at least 40-50 people sitting on top of your head there, just you can’t imagine, to even raise your eyes (laughter).. horrid lanky panky dirty fellows sitting down there, they don’t take their baths and they go to such a limit of superstition. So this is one side of it. Now the Jains themselves to what limit they went you see. They said you should not kill anybody, that’s how you should not kill anybody up to that point is right, but that went to such a limit that in Jains what they do, they don’t kill mosquitoes they don’t kill bugs, they don’t have ….. (inaudible).

Nabhi Chakra, London1978-02-20 How it is placed within us. Nabhi chakra also has got two sides- left and right. On the left hand side of the Nabhi chakra is placed as a centre or you call it a chakra or a sub-chakra called as the Chandra means the moon. Moon centre on the left hand side, and right hand side is the sun centre and they are placed exactly on the moon line and the sun line i.e. first the Ida and the Pingala. These two centres are the two points up to which we can go and move from left to right. Beyond that when we start going you cross the limits. Now these two centres when localized, see they have vertical vibrations flow over to them but when they are localized at that point how we spoil them. We must understand. Left Nabhi and right Nabhi are interdependent on each other. If you pull too much of left Nabhi or work too much on left Nabhi then right Nabhi also can catch. But say we will take one by one. Now the left Nabhi is caught, normally if you eat food at somebody’s house who is a sort of spiritualist or who is giving a prasad like say Satya Sai baba this horrible fellow, his those vibhutis as they call it because it comes from the cremation ground, see that ash, all these things and all these types of food when you eat…. a person who believes in the past; in the Sanskrit past is bhoot is the word for past or you can call it in the subconscious. That food carries the vibrations. A person who has cooked specially that kind of a food can give you a left Nabhi to begin with(inaudible). Now left Nabhi gives you superstitious temperament very superstitious, you become superstitious, you get frightened of things small things, even in Sahaja Yoga you find such a person superstitions will be there and these superstitions can be very very dangerous. Now how to overcome this left Nabhi problem? Is to leave everything as far as superstition is concerned. Now see you see a cat crossing the road. Now you know that it’s a bad thing…you cross that road deliberately. You see that right hand has to be put for this and left hand is to be put for that, by mistake you do something wrong just go ahead with it. Don’t get frightened of anything at that time you see it frightens you. Superstitions come out of fear and fright that is built, any superstition whatsoever. Now you can take it in a wider scale: for example people are superstitious about nations, oh, he is Jew, he is Greek, he is Russian, he is Indian, he is British…you see sort of these are collective superstitions which are impressed on us so much so that we are superstitious and we start judging them accordingly. So the superstition can be only overcome by facing them directly. Alright see what happens. Any small or big or collective. As I said a small thing like a cat passing is a small one. In a big way people will say, I mean, there are all kinds of superstitions if you can think about ..anything like say now Alex is a pilot and he knows that how pilots work out superstitions and they work on omens and things, they go to fortune tellers and ask them whether this is good or that is bad and all. The more they do it and the more they catch, and the more they do it, it becomes a bad omen for them. You see, it's such a vicious circle it goes on building in them. Now the essence of the whole thing is that see why we are afraid because we are afraid of the subconscious dominations. We are trying to get rid of the subconscious domination, that’s what we are afraid of. But as a result of superstitious nature we fall more into the subconscious and start accepting it. Now in this I will tell you in India there is a girl Nima you know very well. She has a left Nabhi. Most of the Jainis they have. Jain people they have it . The reason is they are brought up like that in superstitions because Mahavira himself told them that don’t go near the subconscious and he described the whole subconscious. So all his disciples are became slaves of subconscious directly. Just imagine. What a shame it is., I mean when you see that you have to take his name, Mahavira’s name and he became so much abandoned about that.So much abandoned that he went to such a limit, that once he was walking on the road and they said, ‘don’t go today because it’s a bad day and you will have some problem’. He said,’ I will go’. He was going through a jungle and then a wind started blowing and he had one big cloth wrapped around his body and the cloth got caught up in a bush. So people said,’ see we had said that we should not have come now half cloth is gone’. So he cut his half cloth, so he was left with half. Then next time he was going somewhere and people said that don’t go that way, there are too many problems and you will have a bad time. He said, ‘what’s bad time’ …so was going and he found a man lying in a very bad condition and all wounds in his body and all the small what you call this germs and all flies and small …what you call that…( maggots) haan..they were all trying to trouble him so he covered his body with half of cloth (inaudible). They are so terrible, so terrible in their superstitions that they think that you should abandon to such a limit that you shouldn’t go to the barber,so they go on all the time picking their hair. See they don’t wear any dresses, nothing they wear. Can you imagine such horrible people. Once it happened, you don’t have to go to America for that, in India you can see this very inauspicious thing. My husband was collector you see of one district and they invited us because there was some problem between their two sets Shwethambars and Digambaras and the Shwethambaras are people who wear white dresses at least, but the Digambaras don’t wear anything. They are gurus who just move about like that, absolutely without even a single thing on their body and with me the collector and Mrs collector were very nicely (inaudible) had come to a big gathering and sat there before us on this platform. Can you imagine? All these naked people sitting and they were putting hands up and this and they were pulling all their hair from everywhere ..it was such a horrid situation..and my husband is a very shy fellow you see…he didn’t know where to look (Mother laughs)what sort of a thing is this… I said I know..he said why didn’t you tell me (laughter) I mean he was absolutely perspiring in shame and I think at least 40-50 people sitting on top of your head there, just you can’t imagine, to even raise your eyes (laughter).. horrid lanky panky dirty fellows sitting down there, they don’t take their baths and they go to such a limit of superstition. So this is one side of it. Now the Jains themselves to what limit they went you see. They said you should not kill anybody, that’s how you should not kill anybody up to that point is right, but that went to such a limit that in Jains what they do, they don’t kill mosquitoes they don’t kill bugs, they don’t have ….. (inaudible).

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“Spirit, Attention, Mind”, Finchley Ashram, London (UK), 20th February 1978. …and He’s using us as an instrument. Come along! As I have said. Now Christine had asked me, “What is our surrendering?” And he has asked me if we have a free will or not. All right? You have a free will of your own. Especially human beings have it, not the animals. You have the free will to choose, we can say, good and bad, righteous and unrighteousness. Now, you can choose to surrender, or not to surrender, to His will: to be dominated by your own will. Now, she asked me, “What is the surrender?” Surrendering, as I have been saying, that is to be done in three stages. Especially here in this country where people think, rationalise, analyse; because it’s not easy. If you can do it otherwise, you can do it automatically. Supposing God, Himself, is sort of based according to your certain conceptions. I don’t know what sort of conceptions you have about God, but supposing you have certain conceptions, individual ones. Everyone has individual conceptions for God. And maybe that you see that He’s so Almighty and He’s so great and you just bow to Him without thinking. But that cannot be. So the first one is to surrender by understanding rationally. Nobody is unconscious, nobody is in the subconscious. You are all very conscious as to what you are doing and what’s happening to you. So when you see that the Divine Force is flowing through me, it is coming out as vibrations, it is working out, [and that] you can also manoeuvre it, then rationally you must know the will of that Divine Power which is flowing. Because your will is still not up to that will of vibrations. Still when you rationalise things you may not be doing the same thing as the vibrations would be wanting: to begin with, I am saying. Now you want to go to the right, but supposing you have to go to the left: for what? For a gain, for your evolution, for your more understanding of the Divine; for the dissolution of your ego. Now ego and your will are two different things. This is the point I think, perhaps, that is bothering you. Sahaja Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: You have reached that point now. Ego and your will is to be found out. How? By finding out your Self. Now, what is your Self? Is the Spirit within you. All right? How do you know your Self? Because, after Realisation, it vibrates and it speaks to you. So your will becomes the will of your Spirit, not of your ego; because you have also superego. And with ego you have done mistakes, you have achieved no evolution. You have achieved nothing through your ego. But you don’t trust your ego, don’t challenge it, don’t overpower it, but you replace it by the will of your Self: that’s a part within you. The more you start learning about vibrations, learning what they are saying to you, how they teach you, you learn about your Self. For example, a child uses his hands first of all. He puts the hand on a hot plate, it feels hot. Then on the cold plate, he sees it’s cold: trial and error. He learns what is correct, what is incorrect, what is what; actually what is the reality. Actually in hot and cold there’s nothing like ‘bad’ and ‘wrong’ but is the reality: that this is hot, that burns your hand; cold that freezes you. In the same way, when you start using vibrations, you start learning about your Self. That’s the first time you are using your Self, because that Self is so far not known to you. So, the free will to know your Self is there. If you don’t want to know, nobody is going to force you. This free will has to be achieved, yourself. Within yourself this free will is acting: through your ego itself, but not as ego, but [as] the complete preconscious mind. Oh, there is a difference between the complete preconscious mind and the ego. This differentiation must be brought into you, then you will know what is a free will and what is the ego. Your preconscious mind is on the right hand side; and [is] the complete right hand side channel, starting from your ego up to the Mooladhara. The complete channel is the preconscious mind; that you call as the mana in the Sanskrit language. This preconscious mind is the horse. Now you also guide that horse. Now the part that guides that horse is which part? Is that which guides even that horse. Is it the ego or the whole thing? So, we should say that ego is known as ahamkara - is the complete thing. And the aham, ‘I’, the ‘I-ness’, that is…I don’t know in English what do you call that? The one, that ‘I’, that does everything. It can see it’s this ego. We can say that is the shadow of Self within you. There is someone who is all the time seeing you. You are not connected with the Self but you know the dictums of the Self. There’s somebody who’s watching, all the time. We can say the shadow of that, which is spread in our being, of the Self, is there. We know what that wants: when we are committing mistakes, we know we are committing mistakes; if we are thieving, we know we are thieving. That light is all the time there. That is the Self Itself. We know that it is there, but there is no other side rapport [that] is touched: that is, you see the projection of that in you, but you cannot reach from where the projection is coming. That’s [the] One known as Kshetragnya: is the one who knows the field, the Knower of the field. Actually it is the Self Itself. But His vision in us, the vision of that — you can call, that’s what I call, the shadow — the vision of that Self, we are all the time conscious of. It is watching us even when we are alone, when we are in company and everywhere. It is watching us. This One, in the [Bhagavad] Gita, is called as Kshetragnya. ‘Kshetra’ is the field, and the One [who] is the Knower. Actually the Knower is the Self; but through its vision, through its power of knowledge it is knowing everything, and we know that It is knowing us. ‘We’, that means the ego part. The ego knows that somebody is watching it. With Sahaja Yoga, the only thing [is], what happens [is] that that vision that you have throughout becomes the vibrations, becomes enlightened, in the sense that you can have a rapport with that point from where it has manifested. Did you follow me? If you have not, you tell me. Like this is the (electric) light, all right? This light has an aura, or it has a light spread out everywhere. What will you say to [describe] that light which is spreading out, apart from the light that is there? I’ll just call it the shadow, all right? All right? So the light that is spreading out from there is knowing about what you are doing and you know that that shadow force [is there]. It’s like a shadow with you. You know in yourself what you are doing. And that is the shadow which carries all your deeds onto, also, your Kundalini and puts that, puts it down there. That is what sometimes you call as human awareness. That light is the human awareness as you call it. But ego is not the same. Because It can see the ego, It can see the superego. But, what you say is the ‘I’: the light that is closed in this room, by this candle, or by this (electric) light is what you call the ‘I’, the closed one. And this knows about everything and you know that this light knows what you are doing. This [electric] light does not know. It’s just the opposite otherwise: this light that is inside this room does not know what you are doing, but through this light you know what is in this room. Do you follow this point? Clear? The light that is spread in the room, that light, has no awareness. But because of this light we can know what is in this room. Just the opposite is the light of Self. The light of Self knows what we are doing and because of that light we also know what we are doing. If we were unconscious we would not know we are doing. So that light, or that aura of light, sparks at the conscious moment, at the conscious moment. Like this, you can say: supposing this is the past and this is the future, in the centre is the conscious mind. At this conscious mind you see the light of the knowledge [of] what you know. Sahaja Yogi: Then the conscious [mind] is the Self? Shri Mataji: No, no, no! Conscious [mind] is the area in which the light of the Self makes you aware of what you are. Like the gleam of the light passing through, you can say. From the Self the light is coming, and it enlightens the conscious mind. And the conscious mind knows in the conscious area. In the conscious area that light knows what you are doing. And you are also aware of that light. Gregoire: What difference [is there] between the preconscious mind and conscious mind in the location? Shri Mataji: The location is: conscious in the centre, preconscious on the right. All right? Preconscious is on the right and the conscious is in the centre. Now the preconscious mind, whatever the preconscious mind is doing, we know in the area of the conscious mind: this light gives us the awareness of it. Sahaja Yogi: Of the light? Shri Mataji: The light is the aura of the Self. Sahaja Yogi: It’s like a mirror, Mother. The conscious mind is a mirror for the preconscious mind. Shri Mataji: You see, when you say, ‘mirror’ it becomes one-sided, that’s the point. That’s why I’m saying: It is not one-sided. It is all-sided. If you just use a mirror, then it has to be one side, but it’s not like that. It is on all sides. The aura is on all sides. Or you can say it falls onto the edges of the conscious mind, of the preconscious mind and the subconscious mind, in the centre, in the conscious area. But that’s the light part of it. The conscious mind itself has no meaning if we are not aware. The conscious mind can sleep off if you are not aware of the light. So that light which is coming into you [is] from the Self, from Self. Now human beings have that light much brighter than the animals have. That’s why I call it a light and not only the conscious mind, because the animals also have the conscious mind. But your light is different from their light. Your awareness is much higher and is built-up. How? By developing your chakras. Say, for example, we can say, or if you can say: yes, even reflection you can say that, in the centre is the light and all the sides are reflecting: then you can use the same way. But supposing this [room] is the conscious mind, the whole walls of the conscious mind. So the light is in the centre, and the light is reflected on these walls. Now the conscious mind of the human beings, supposing, are these walls and they are evolved and developed to such a point that they see what wrong they are doing; and they can see for themselves. If they keep these walls clear and clean — the conscious mind — that means you are alert about what you are doing with your conscious mind. Then you keep these walls absolutely clean, then the reflection is very clear. But still there is no rapport established between the walls and the light - vice versa I mean. This way it is, for the light knows the walls. Walls also know there is a light which knows about it, everything but the rapport, in the sense that the light cannot do anything about the Self and the Self cannot do about the light (the wall). Did you follow that? Sahaja Yogi: About the wall no? Shri Mataji: Of the wall. But that light exists. It exists. It tells you the reality. It tells you, “This is what you are. Here you are. This is your position.” This light is telling you. This is the Kshetragnya: the one who knows the field. He just tells you. It gives a clear-cut idea to you that, “You are here.” “You have got spots on your wall.” “You have spoiled your walls.” “There is no reflection properly coming,” or, “There is reflection coming,” if you are all right. Now the better you are, the better is the light, and there is no conflict coming; you are nicely going on. That’s why I say to be in the centre. Now, you can say that the attention is in the walls. Your attention is spread on the walls. All right? From there it acts. It acts inside and outside. The attention acts outside, as you know, it’s very easy to act outside. But inside it acts only as far as knowing that, “I know everything [about] what I do.” Did you follow that? The attention is on the walls. Human attention is on the wall. This attention knows that there is a light inside, and it puts that light...I mean, as far as possible, outside also; it can extend its light outside. In the sense that, supposing a person is not realised but he is a dharmic person, so his light is quite all right, no problem. He doesn’t have any conflicts. He’s dharmic. He’s a nice religious man and he knows there is light, he knows, and there’s no conflict between the light and himself. So the aura is absolutely nicely placed. Now, supposing, if there’s a conflict between this and this: the aura will be disturbed. But actually there’s no disturbance in the light itself. But, because of these walls, it may be looking disturbed. Because when the light is falling on something: like you see the water, and if the water is not steady [then] you see it’s moving like that. All right? So, like that, the attention is here (on the walls). The attention, if it is unsteady, then the image you get is blurred, of the light. And the light that you throw out, outside, becomes a blurred image of that light. All right? So, now we are coming to the conscious mind. Conscious mind is the one, in that area which is a very shortened time, very short time. Between the future and the past it’s just a little time, very little time. It’s called as vilamba in the Sanskrit language. Is a very, very, very small, little time, and we cannot stop there. So in that area suddenly you touch the aura, you can say the light, and there you see it. So then you know what it is. Then again you are thinking about the past, or you think about the future. That time, you know what you are thinking, but then you come to the conscious area and you know, “Oh I have been thinking like that I should not have done it!” Because you are moving all the time on waves. In between these two waves is the conscious mind: a little bit, very little area is there, in the beginning. All right? Now below that is the unconscious mind, you can say. Actually it is above but we can say, below, just now, to explain it. Like, the waves rising this way, that way, in between there’s a little gap. And there where, in the conscious mind, you are touching that light of the unconscious mind. So that unconscious mind, what we call the unconscious mind, is that aura, or the light, of the Self. So every moment you are conscious, you are conscious of your unconscious mind. Conscious in the sense that you know that the unconscious mind knows, that’s why. It’s really remarkable how it’s made! For example you can say like that: you come up on one wave, “Oh,” you find, “it’s here.” “Oh yes, I know all that, what I’m thinking.” Then again you go on thinking, thinking, thinking and again you come to the conscious mind, “Oh yes, I know what I am thinking.” Like that the conscious mind is. This is the light of the unconscious mind. You can think [of it] like a waves. All right? Did you follow Bogdan? Dr. Bogdan Shehovych: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Try to follow it, you see, then it would be nice. Now questioning you don’t ask. Just now you try to follow the point, because it’s a subtle subject. And, if you have to understand the subtle, I have to use analogies which are not subtle. So, in analogies, don’t get lost. I’m just trying to tell you how to understand what is the unconscious mind within us, and where do we stand as far as the conscious mind is concerned. The edge of the unconscious mind is the unconscious; edge of it. And there is the attention also. Now I’ll show you. Now what happens: you are moving, say, your attention. Now, attention, just see it: the attention is moving; you can take it to the future or to the past. Now the attention goes like that. And at the conscious mind, suddenly you will [think], “Oh!” You become aware of it. Your attention becomes aware, “Oh!”. Otherwise you are just thinking, thinking, thinking like that. But when again you touch, at the conscious mind, again you become aware. Again you move like this then you are lost; again you become conscious of it. Now this light is coming from where? Is from the Self. Where is the ego and where is the superego, in this? Now this wave is the past, and this is the future. So, all the time you are moving from past to the future, past to the future, like that. But in this jumping there’s a little time in between where you are conscious. And whenever you are moving from one to another — before Realisation I am saying. All this I am telling you about before Realisation — you are conscious that there is something, under flow, which is knowing where and how we are jumping, whether this or that side. You are going this way, that way, this way, that way, all the time. Forwards, backwards, whatever it is. But you are moving this way. Now, the movement of the conscious mind you can see, but it’s a split of a second, just a split of a second, before Realisation. Did you follow this point or not, first of all? Make it very clear or not? So we move to another point now. The attention is moving which is on the edge. You can say that attention is another light or you can say another sort of a — which is the human side of it, which is moving from there — energy. You can say the attention is another energy which is moving like this, on the edge. It is generated from your liver. This energy is generated from your liver. And it comes out and it is just like a very thin edge, you can say: the attention. So the attention is recording - where are we. But when it touches the conscious mind it becomes conscious of what you are: “This is me!” Maybe when you are stealing you are not conscious but when you have stolen then suddenly you come back, “Oh God, I did that!” You become conscious of it. So the attention is moving like this, which makes you aware of that. Now, the human attention has been evolved as the edge of the preconscious and the subconscious minds. Do you follow this point or not? On the edges. The human attention… (Shri Mataji stops the talk to enquire in Hindi about somebody’s health who has just arrived. Possibly Ravi and Mrs Devi.) Shri Mataji: Aaye, baitho! Aa jao! (Hindi: come here, sit down.) Just to explain to you…This is the unconscious mind here. All right? And this is the right hand side, is what you call the preconscious mind, and this is the subconscious mind. The attention is in between, connected with the unconscious mind, also, you can call it. But this unconscious mind in the animal I have shown it like that. Just to show you [that] it’s the unconscious mind I have shown it here. But actually, you know, the unconscious mind is a part of it in the Kundalini and part up there. So it is, just to show you, I have shown [it]. Say, you can call it ‘the aura of Kundalini’ you can call it. But now, here, it is easier to understand (Mother is showing a diagram). In the human beings who form habits it’s like this. All right? It is like this, the attention is spread out, throughout it. And this area I’ve enlarged it. It’s not such a big area. I’ve just enlarged it (on the diagram). This is the area of the conscious mind, which is a very small area. And this part is the ego, and the superego is here. And this lining is the conscious mind. Sahaja Yogi: This is in the head? Shri Mataji: No, no, no! This is in the human being, the [spinal] column, the complete column, the complete thing, I’m telling: the Ida and the Pingala nadi. This is the Pingala and this is the Ida. At the edge of that, you see, is here; and inside is the conscious mind, this one. This is a very small area. Now what happens [is] that, here is the Kundalini. All right? That is also the unconscious mind, part of the unconscious mind. And here is the unconscious mind you can say, about which we are not conscious of. And I have shown you [that] here is the Self. And the Self, Sadashiva’s seat, is here. This sees. From here it sees all over. It comes out; your Spirit comes out, goes round and sees you. It is on your head, sometimes on your head, mostly in your heart. And it is watching you around. It knows, it is all the time knowing about it. And this light that is here, we are also aware that it’s there. We know that this light is recording this; we are aware of it. All the time we are aware that this light is trickling down and there’s a little glimmer of that light coming in that little gleam of light, you can say, in the conscious area. So we are aware that this light is knowing about us. What we do is to, by raising the Kundalini is, the Kundalini when she rises, what she does She rises, because of her rising the attention she takes, the attention she sucks it on herself, on the both sides of the Kundalini the attention gets attached; or [you can] say it becomes like this: a crown over the area. Because the area has increased: you can see, if the Kundalini is so big as that. So you can see it is crowned up now, the attention is. So the Kundalini rises, like this, pushes this out, and takes this attention into this one. So a rapport is established between the Spirit and yourself. If you can think, if you can make it a small one, you see; the Kundalini is a small one, but supposing I have made a big one (on the chart); so the Kundalini rises, touching the attention like this, all over, goes up here, opens it out, becomes one. Yogi: Because the attention is on the whole Nadi from the Mooladhara up to the bottom? It’s not in the mind. Shri Mataji: What? Yogi: The attention. Shri Mataji: No, no! Yogi: Oh! Shri Mataji: Attention is not in the mind alone. Attention is all along, and is generated through your…I mean it is not generated we should say, but we can say it is looked after, or maintained, or attained to, through your liver. But the evolution of mind, as the mind grows up, this attention becomes improved. In an animal, attention is not like this: he is just a straight line, from here to here. In this the attention becomes wider, bigger and intelligent. It has both the things fully developed. In the animal it’s just a few layers developed there and they are in a straight line. This doesn’t come up in an animal: this is ego and superego, when they meet, this thing works out. Because of this, closing down, it develops its own awareness. By closing down it develops itself. As Gregoire has said it, as an egg develops. So this is the crust that is formed and it develops within itself. So it is developed. Now for developing this you use your ego or superego. But if you do it in equal way, keeping to the centre, so there is no increase on this side or that side. Now, what is the ego? Is a bulge out here. And what is the superego? Is a bulge out here. It goes up like a bulge here like a horn! It comes out bulging like that (laughing). Do you understand? Now, no use pushing it down and doing anything about it. What you should do is to put attention in the centre here: centre. So because of dharma, dharma is the one which keeps the bulge there, attached to this; so the proper, proper growth comes in. Up to the Nabhi is the bulge. Then the wisdom and all those things work out in you, and you keep like this. This is a proper, sensible person. But normally it is not. Normally the question will be like this, and this one just hanging out on this side. Normally the person is not like this. This comes up like this. I mean, in the West I am saying, and is attached like to a peg like that! This one is a rudimentary thing. Now where do you take out? Here? This side? Yogis: No, no. Shri Mataji: It’s like that. So now you understand what I mean. Now is it clear now? Attention, supraconscious? It’s a difficult subject. It’s a difficult subject to understand mentally. Then above, the God’s attention is not like yours. Your attention is much more than an animal’s attention is: that you realise. But God’s attention is manifold dynamic than yours is. So when you become [one] with That, That attention becomes your attention: It starts flowing through you. So it forms then another layer - that is the God’s attention - and you start getting the vibrations in the hand. First time you start, in the conscious mind, He starts flowing, in the real sense, and you develop that sort of a sheath here, you can say, and you start feeling the vibrations. But again, when you go this way a little bit more, it stops there; or this way more, it stops. Again you bring it in the centre and gradually allow the space to be more. Now this is what is the surrendering: is the space more there. Because you don’t allow this to work out (ego), or this to work out (superego) but just allow a space. So it starts opening out and the light starts working. Yogi: Shri Mataji, it’s like in Indian music, when they go like that and they come back to the note. That you just did this now. Shri Mataji: ‘Sum’ that is what it is called as – Sum. Sum means actually ‘equal’. Sum. But when they come to that point, to the first point, in the Indian music, they’ll go on playing - 16 beats. They’ll go 16 into 10, but again they’ll come back to the same point.; this same must meet with the same, and that’s it. So ‘sum’ is equal. At that point everything must meet. And when all this is opened out…actually, here I have shown it like that, but you should put the chakras connected to that, in between. This attention goes and is actually connected with the chakras here. So the Kundalini passes through the chakras. You can see there is a chakra here and a chakra here and a chakra here and a chakra here. When you allow this space to increase more, then what happens [is] these chakras also open out. In these chakras your own Deities are there. They have their own play and they are one with it. So it works in unison. And that’s why the identification takes place. But leaving this space, itself, means surrender, in the normal understanding. Because the dynamic is there. The dynamic is all-pervading, it is working out. All right? It is all-knowing. It is working out Its job. It is correct. But the problem is your attention has not grown that subtle, as to enter into It. When it becomes that subtle — only human beings can become that — it opens out this thing. Actually the Kundalini adds that subtleness to it, of the subtle system, and She brings it down. And that subtleness gives you a lining of subtleness. And that becomes one, subtle with this, and it starts passing through those subtle areas [and] vibrations start flowing The more you open out this part, you become one with this. So what? You become the Self. Now, this Self here (Mother can be heard showing a piece of paper), this Self is the nucleus in the body and that body is a cell in the bigger body. All right? So, you become one with the All-pervading force: that is the Will of God; which is known to this Self, the nucleus of that cell Every Self knows what God wants, fully, completely. So as soon as you allow your knowledge, so-called, to drop out a little bit, the real knowledge starts pouring in, and then? Oh, you can order about! Then you can say whatever you feel like and it just works out. But because of this, an ancient stuff with you, the lining being the new one, it’s difficult to identify that lining fully with this. If you could, then, you would be just there – no problem of clearing anything and it’s all cleared. This light, when it flows, this passes through all the chakras and comes out. First the Kundalini comes up. She opens the chakras, makes the place; opens it out. Also, by Her coming up, there’s a little lining [which] comes up. But when this starts pouring down, it covers this much more. But it doesn’t cover directly like that but through the chakras It passes. That’s why your chakras are to be cleared. Because the passage is through the chakras. There are the chakras here. All of them are chakras here. All right? Did you follow this? Michael, how are you feeling? Put it straight. Put it straight. It’s cold, very cold that hand? You can take it up! You take it up! It’s all right. Close the door, yes. Now, put your hands together. Sorry. So, today, as we know that, is the day of Mohammed Sahib’s birthday. And we have to understand that all these incarnations came at different times. They all came at different times. And They came as a continuous process of evolution of man. No question of conflict or anything in that: no question. You see, human beings can’t understand, because they create conflict, they have lived with conflicts, with this thing (limbic area) closing down here, this thing. So They just came on this Earth, nobody’s property. They came as incarnations on this Earth, all of Them. He (Mohammed Sahib) came after Christ. See His position! Because Christ came as an incarnation which was the son God, the son aspect of God, and He taught forgiveness. And the Christian doctrine has called it the suffering, and the Christians must suffer! So, all those Christians must suffer, you see. There’s sort of a thing just branded on you. Then, anybody kills, you should accept killing. Anybody wants to hurt you, you must accept. “You must suffer!” Even if you don’t suffer you should inflict suffering on yourself. This funny doctrine: everybody was surprised, “From where did they get it?” Christ did not suffer. He cannot suffer. How can they suffer? If He could suffer then how was He the son of God? He could not. It was just a drama. Actually His message was resurrection, but the Christians started using it as a suffering: so they (the Deities) said, “Oh God, now what to do?” So we have to send Somebody else! Now whom do we send? Someone who will be able to teach them there’s no suffering. You have to defend. You have to fight it out! How dare they make you suffer! Like, I’ll tell you: somebody from Muktananda had come to my programme. Horrible fellow he was, sick. He came and he started saying all kinds of things there. So the Sahaja Yogis got angry, you know, Modi and all that. They said, “We’ll beat you if you don’t keep quiet!” He started saying, “Oh, you are like this, you are like that!” He (Modi) said, “You don’t say anything to our Mother otherwise we’ll beat you!” So he said, “You are Sahaj Yogis and you should bear it!” He said, “Jolly well they’ll bear you out now!” “Throw him out,” I said, “just now! And give him two kicks! Just now you throw him out, immediately!” If you had said anything to Christ’s Mother, He would have taken the same cross and hit all of them nicely. That’s why it was arranged that nothing should be said about Christ’s Mother. Because that would be the sensitive point. On that point He would never have compromised. So this foolish idea that all these religious people should suffer. And then why the religion? Why should you have the religion? I mean, if you have to have sufferings on account of religion, better not have such a horrible religion! You see, it is like purchasing sufferings! No. Where did it say? I don’t know. Where in the Bible they said that all the Christians must suffer? I don’t know what point you get from where! Gregoire: It is reported in the Bible that Jesus said to a young man, “If you want to follow me take your cross,” or something like that. Shri Mataji: All right. That doesn’t mean that you suffer! “If you want to follow me take your cross.” Now, what is the cross? You know [it] is a symbol of innocence. I say take your cross, because, if you are coming here, as you are, you are to be moulded, you are to be brought to the proper balance, so you little bit suffer. When you try to test other’s vibrations you do get a little bit of that burning and all that. But not the way we have understood, to carry our crosses: now what is your cross? I mean [it’s] absurd, I tell you! The whole understanding is of Christ. You make such a great personality into nothing, absolutely! He came here to teach you to suffer? I mean, can you think of such a thing? I don’t know what brains and what intelligence all your, these ‘great’ priests are using to say that He came here to teach you to suffer! Marie: They probably have trouble with their liver and they feel miserable so they get suffering out of it! Shri Mataji: (laughing) No, no, but the preaching is that you must suffer! Now even if you take, like this, a position: you can say that it was that if anybody says [something bad] to you, you just don’t bother about it, you don’t bother. But why suffer? Suffering means that you bother about it! Otherwise you just don’t bother. Yogi: I think it’s just a rationalisation of impotency. I think it’s like that. Because they were unable to do anything. The priests were unable, they were seeing people suffering around and they were not able to help them, then they said then, “Accept your suffering and enjoy it.” Shri Mataji: Enjoy the suffering? No, it’s an absurd doctrine of suffering. Marie: But the original doctrine was that you offer whichever sufferings to God and then it got twisted out that you have to feel miserable. Yogi: Suffering was like tapas or something like that. Shri Mataji: Tapah! Tapah! Marie: When suffering comes to you, you have to accept it and offer it to God. I mean some people do still teach the right thing but most people just think they have to feel miserable. Shri Mataji: You see, I wish, you shouldn’t say, even, ‘offering’ or anything. You see, God’s name or God Itself is a balm to it. You have pain in the stomach: when you put [a] hand towards me, supposing, you get all right - finished! Now what are you offering to me? I am not getting anything! It’s just a different thing altogether. You see, suffering and God are two different things! God is the One who balms your suffering. What is that 23rd Psalm is? Does it say you suffer? Gavin Brown: The Lord is my shepherd. Shri Mataji: Then? Where, which one is such a great thing that such a big doctrine has come out — from where I don’t know — that we all should suffer? It is all the time promised [that] even those who are suffering will be helped: “Blessed are those…” Gavin Brown: But there was no actualisation of the promise until now. Gregoire: Mataji, if you wouldn’t have come, ok... Shri Mataji: Why wouldn’t I have come? Gregoire: Ok, let’s say one life earlier… Gavin Brown: Supposing that you had not come… Gregoire: No! Let’s say, one life earlier… Gavin Brown: …we would not have understood what Christ was about. Gregoire: ...and we are suffering because there is a mess around. The only way we can bear it is in thinking that our suffering has a meaning. And the only way we can think our suffering has a meaning is in… Shri Mataji: Then the simple meaning is: because of your mistakes you are suffering! Gregoire: And that does not help! Shri Mataji: It is a very simple thing, you know. It’s very, very simple. You, the human beings: put them on one side, God on another side, all right? You cut each other’s throats: God has told you to cut each other’s throats? If there is war, then who? God has created war? Physically also: if you neglect yourself, you do all kinds of things, then you suffer! Who has asked you to read so many books? Who has asked you first of all to create so many books? What do you know to create so many books? That’s it! So you are doing it, so you face it also here! Did God ask you to write so many books and read them and condition yourself? Who has asked you to listen to Freud? But inside you He is all the time talking and telling you. It’s not that He’s given you up. He’s all the time guiding you. Only thing you should have done is to accept His advice. All the time He’s telling you, “It’s wrong, it’s too much you are doing it.” You can even see your ego, what more do you want to see? When you know your horse is doing a fast one: so why not make it a slow moving one? You know you are missing your targets: why not slow it down? Did God tell you all these things the way you are suffering, suffering and you go on? Now this girl who has, her husband has met a death because he has committed an accident: did God tell him you go and commit an accident? He must be going somewhere in a hurry: he must go! So he commits an accident and he’s had it. Human beings have created everything. Even the bhoots and all those have been created by human beings, God has not created them. All this is the creation of human beings. God has created joy and happiness. All the beauty of the world is at your feet, such beautiful things. Imagine a small, little tree also, if you see a small little seed; anything you see in yourself, your eyes on, if you watch, you want to see, under microscope, beautiful! So very nice! How beautifully everything He’s done for you to see the joy. And here you are taking one knife and putting it inside and you say, “I am suffering.” Who has asked you to do that? It’s like that, whether collectively or individually. God is not responsible for that. You see it’s like a mother who has cooked everything nicely for you, “Come along now for the food!” Here She finds her children coming home, all wounded, all famished, finished! He has created beautiful things for you, absolute beauty. And He wants you to sit there and enjoy that joy, just imagine! That’s why He has created you! It’s such a frustration it is. Such a frustration! (laughter) (damaged part of Regis Camille’s tape: inaudible for 20 seconds) ...you can make out a person who is cruel, but you want to go to such a person, spoil yourself and then you say you are miserable. You give so much importance to human beings. It’s only you who is doing it. If there is Hitler, Hitler could not be there unless and until there were Germans to help him. Without the Germans do you think Hitler could have existed? Same here, you elect your people who are very dominating, sometimes who are possessed; they become your prime ministers, supposing. Then what do you do? It’s left to you! If you don’t want you can have good people. Will you put any saint there? No, you’ll say he’s not practical? Nobody would accept a saint! You see anywhere, like that Macarias horrible fellow! You call him as the head of the church there! I mean, how could he be there? In India they appoint these Shankaracharyas: horrible, useless things, good for nothing! They cannot be even used as footballs I tell you, they are so useless! And people are making for them golden umbrellas! On top they want to have diamonds and things. And if they go about in the market people will think there’s a kuli going. I mean the one who is carrying the luggage is also called as kuli in India. Yogi: A porter. Shri Mataji: Yes, a porter. There’s a porter going on! And they want to have a crown. Because they look like that, such miserable creatures. So they want to have a crown of gold and they want to have a big umbrella made of gold, and the umbrella will fall down on them, so they must have a shield also, to protect themselves. Such miserable horrid people, they become the heads of the churches and heads of the organisations. It is you [do that]. And while the good say, “We must suffer.” They say, “It’s alright, let it go!” So what prospers is the bad, is the evil. No more of suffering for the saints! Had enough of it. Yogi: Sounds good! Shri Mataji: Absolutely! Nobody dare touch a saint now. That’s it! Had enough of it. But Christ was alright, He never suffered, but He relieved everybody’s suffering. He doesn’t suffer. I don’t suffer at all. Neither you are going to suffer now. In the name of God you are not going to suffer now. Let’s see now. Unless and until you are addicted to it then I can’t help you: you want to have suffering then go ahead with it! But if you want to have joy you will have it and nobody can take it away from you. Those who try will suffer. Those who go against you will suffer. This is Krishna’s style, or we can say Mohammed Sahib, because today is His birthday. So to understand Him in the right perspective, you see. After Christ it was such a fiasco, that they had to come to say that you are not to suffer. Even His grandsons who were, you know, reborn from Mahavir and Buddha, they came to teach the nonviolence of the nonsense that’s going on: to stop that, know that there is a non-violence of God which is violence; which is just killing! They need a little killing, nicely! And sometimes a big one too! They will have it. So the idea that we should not be a military force - why not? We are the greatest military force! Here you will sing “Onward Christian soldiers!” Now how can the soldiers be sufferers? You are soldiers, you are endowed with powers of The Almighty, and how dare you suffer! It is a wrong idea. You have not to take anything aimed at you. Alright, like a gentleman, like an elephant when he walks and the dogs are barking, it doesn’t bother - but in its greatness, not in suffering. It just moves and goes on like that. Like that! You are not to bother about these bickerings and all nonsensical things. You are not to come down on your ego. But no suffering! No suffering of any kind. This is the message of Mohammed Sahib. But Muslims? Oh God! His enemies became Muslims, I can tell you this much, the way they are. The way they are treating Him, you can see that they were His enemies. The first and foremost thing He has said is that all of them are Prophets. They have come at different times. He said, “Don’t drink,” because He saw [that] Christ didn’t impress too much on the drinking, so that’s what they have started! They find a loophole everywhere. You see, now I am saying so many things, but maybe I may leave one or two points here and there. I’m trying to cover up [all the points] you see, that’s why I talk, talk, talk, talk, talk - nothing should be left out! Because you will catch hold of that point, somebody, and get onto that. He came down and he said, “Don’t drink!” Muslims are drinking the most. Christ said, “Don’t go near the spirits.” So in the church you will have graveyards. In the church only you will have graveyards! Just see the wonderful part of it! He said, “Don’t go near the dead. You have nothing to do with the dead.” That’s what all the Christians are busy with this... (break in recording) There is God, and also we know that He is reflected in us, in our heart as Spirit, as Atma, as Self. Now, when we know about the three channels that are working within us, of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati. The three powers of Ida, Pingala and Sushumna, which create the subconscious, preconscious and the conscious mind, are working in our consciousness. That means we are conscious of them. We are conscious of our left and right, that is Ida and Pingala, sympathetic nervous system. We are not conscious of the parasympathetic. That means that we can increase the rate of our heart, we can increase the rate of our breathing, but we cannot decrease it. The decrease, or what you call the lowering down of the rate, is done by parasympathetic. So the parasympathetic is active, but we are not conscious of it: in the sense that we have no control over it. The Spirit, that is God, which is reflected in us, resides in the heart. The manifestation of Spirit in our heart controls the parasympathetic. But this Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty in our heart, as if in a mirror. And Divine love, which is the light of God, is reflected in us through the reflection of the Spirit, as the unconscious mind. So within us there is an area about which we are not conscious. That is why it is called as unconscious. That area lies so far away from our conscious mind that we cannot control it. We are not conscious of it, but it acts, through parasympathetic activity. How it acts, I will give you a simile: Supposing there is a power works (a power plant) somewhere, and it is acting through this (electric) light over here. You don’t see the power work, or the factory, or wherever the power is created, but what you’ll see is the manifestation here, and you see the light. But supposing you do not see the light, nor the lamp, nor the factory, but you are affected by it: that is the situation of a human being. A normal human being who is not a realised-soul, is not aware of that factory, which is God, or the light it has got, is not aware of the lamp that he has got in his heart, and is also not aware of the light that the lamp is emitting. But it is acting. So the unconscious mind is nothing else but the projection of God’s will through the light of Divine love. I have given this simile again and again, which is very good and apt: that, these two powers that are within us, one on the left, another on the right hand side, are there and we are conscious of them and we use them. Out of them, the right: we use it in absolute awareness. The left one, we know is used as subconscious mind, and sometimes, if you take drugs or if you do something like that, then you go to your subconscious also. So you can become aware of the subconscious area also. So you are aware of, the right hand side already, and you are aware of the subconscious sometimes, when you try to get aware of it. So these two powers that are within us are all the time vibrating in a wave, and the points at which they meet, they create the throb, or you can say the centre. A centre is created, a Deity is placed [there], but there is no light for us to see, or to feel, or to be conscious of the Deities; the Deities are fast asleep! When the Kundalini rises…now Kundalini is the subconscious. You will be surprised that Kundalini is a Mahakali power. She is absolutely pure, in the purest form, because She is not used. We can say, part of it is used in us, our subconscious. Sort of, we have kept some water separately, which we have not used so far. So first of all we use the subconscious water and the preconscious water and we dirty it, we exhausted it. Then this stored-up power rises and does the last cleansing. But when She rises She creates a third current. Still that third current, when She is rising, doesn’t have the light. But when It reaches the Sahasrara and pierces it then it becomes one with the Universal Consciousness. Because what is God? Is the One who controls the Universal Consciousness. He’s The Controller of the Universal Consciousness. He emits the light. And when this Kundalini rises it gets that flame on it. So now all the Deities get awakened. Now, you may say that, “It is in the heart, Mataji, you are saying. You are saying it is here,” It’s a confusion, people think. But actually it is All-pervading. Say, God is a nucleus you can say, or a factory, which has the light all over and is reflected in the heart. So when your Kundalini, a particular, individual Kundalini, touches that, then this light takes place, then in the heart the Spirit is ignited; or sort of it emits, it manifests, it projects. And its projections are these vibrations. So, through this, you know the will of God. Through this you have a dialogue with God and you understand Him, what He wants. And what does He want you to know? There are three qualities of God which you can feel through this. One: what is the Truth. You ask any questions: if you are asking for something, and if it is in “yes” then you will get too many vibrations. If it is in “no” vibrations will lower down. That’s how you can verify what is right, what is wrong. What is the Truth, what is not the Truth, now you can know. Nobody has to tell you, you don’t need any clergyman or anybody to certify it. It is there. Through your vibrations you can feel it: is this is the Truth or not? Is it a correct place you have come to or to the wrong person? Then also the various combinations and permutations of these, it is true, but still there’s a little point that is wrong in you. For example, if you say that, “Christ was resurrected in person?” “Yes, that’s true,” and you’ll get more vibrations. But if you see now, that, if you say, “Is it, Mataji, the Mother of Christ?” If you do not accept it, you will not get it on the Sahasrara. You see for yourself. (From Regis Camille’s cassette 2) ...and he actually came to do work for Sahaj Yoga in that area. Maharashtra is a very good area for one reason: it’s a part of India where, since long, a group of people have been working on these lines of the Adi Guru. They were called as Avadhutas. And they started with Machhindernath - a Primordial Master was born as Macchindernath - and they started working on very few people in the villages, or you can say in the hills and we can call them that they were like ascetics, just dedicated to find out the truth. And these people, there were very few of them, they started working it out. Like the Kashyapas of the Zen system. And they went into various countries - even Machhindernath, his disciple was Gorakhnath - they all went into various countries to find out what is the problem and how it is to be worked out. So there is a disciple essence also [which] was brought in. And these disciples, two of them have become incarnations. One of them as you know is Buddha and another is Mahavira: they have become incarnations. So everything has been tried and worked out for you. You don’t have to bother about it. The only thing is that to be Sahaja is to leave space in between. Just try. That’s what surrender is: to leave space. Just leave space! And say whatever you want to, you can say it out: If you say ‘no’, then no. If you say ‘yes’, yes. For example you want to have an ashram, alright you can have it. But if you go and say, “How can we have? It’s very difficult.” He’ll say, “Alright, go ahead!” “How are we going to work it out?” Then nothing is going to materialise. You just say, “Yes we are going to have it!” “Alright, work it out!” That’s right. That’s how things work out. For you it’s much easier than for me, because I don’t really want anything, if you ask me. I don’t want any ashram or anything. Wherever I am, I am alright. But you need the ashram so you have to desire for it. You have to desire. On the left hand side is your heart: ask for the desire and put a bandhan to it, it will work out. But don’t be hesitant: “How can it be?” You want rain? Alright, say, “Come along rain!” Have it! You want sun? You can ask the Sun to come out. You want heat? You can have the heat. But you should know that you are now established in the Kingdom of God; then only it will work out! Such hesitant people! It’s such a funny stuff: like a driver sitting in the car, how can you blame the car? You don’t know how to drive, you have not yet mastered it, you are so nervous, you are not confident. Then it works out. How are you now Michael? Are you better? Hmmm, it’s working out. Should we go into meditation? Yes? Alright. (end of recording)

“Spirit, Attention, Mind”, Finchley Ashram, London (UK), 20th February 1978. …and He’s using us as an instrument. Come along! As I have said. Now Christine had asked me, “What is our surrendering?” And he has asked me if we have a free will or not. All right? You have a free will of your own. Especially human beings have it, not the animals. You have the free will to choose, we can say, good and bad, righteous and unrighteousness. Now, you can choose to surrender, or not to surrender, to His will: to be dominated by your own will. Now, she asked me, “What is the surrender?” Surrendering, as I have been saying, that is to be done in three stages. Especially here in this country where people think, rationalise, analyse; because it’s not easy. If you can do it otherwise, you can do it automatically. Supposing God, Himself, is sort of based according to your certain conceptions. I don’t know what sort of conceptions you have about God, but supposing you have certain conceptions, individual ones. Everyone has individual conceptions for God. And maybe that you see that He’s so Almighty and He’s so great and you just bow to Him without thinking. But that cannot be. So the first one is to surrender by understanding rationally. Nobody is unconscious, nobody is in the subconscious. You are all very conscious as to what you are doing and what’s happening to you. So when you see that the Divine Force is flowing through me, it is coming out as vibrations, it is working out, [and that] you can also manoeuvre it, then rationally you must know the will of that Divine Power which is flowing. Because your will is still not up to that will of vibrations. Still when you rationalise things you may not be doing the same thing as the vibrations would be wanting: to begin with, I am saying. Now you want to go to the right, but supposing you have to go to the left: for what? For a gain, for your evolution, for your more understanding of the Divine; for the dissolution of your ego. Now ego and your will are two different things. This is the point I think, perhaps, that is bothering you. Sahaja Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: You have reached that point now. Ego and your will is to be found out. How? By finding out your Self. Now, what is your Self? Is the Spirit within you. All right? How do you know your Self? Because, after Realisation, it vibrates and it speaks to you. So your will becomes the will of your Spirit, not of your ego; because you have also superego. And with ego you have done mistakes, you have achieved no evolution. You have achieved nothing through your ego. But you don’t trust your ego, don’t challenge it, don’t overpower it, but you replace it by the will of your Self: that’s a part within you. The more you start learning about vibrations, learning what they are saying to you, how they teach you, you learn about your Self. For example, a child uses his hands first of all. He puts the hand on a hot plate, it feels hot. Then on the cold plate, he sees it’s cold: trial and error. He learns what is correct, what is incorrect, what is what; actually what is the reality. Actually in hot and cold there’s nothing like ‘bad’ and ‘wrong’ but is the reality: that this is hot, that burns your hand; cold that freezes you. In the same way, when you start using vibrations, you start learning about your Self. That’s the first time you are using your Self, because that Self is so far not known to you. So, the free will to know your Self is there. If you don’t want to know, nobody is going to force you. This free will has to be achieved, yourself. Within yourself this free will is acting: through your ego itself, but not as ego, but [as] the complete preconscious mind. Oh, there is a difference between the complete preconscious mind and the ego. This differentiation must be brought into you, then you will know what is a free will and what is the ego. Your preconscious mind is on the right hand side; and [is] the complete right hand side channel, starting from your ego up to the Mooladhara. The complete channel is the preconscious mind; that you call as the mana in the Sanskrit language. This preconscious mind is the horse. Now you also guide that horse. Now the part that guides that horse is which part? Is that which guides even that horse. Is it the ego or the whole thing? So, we should say that ego is known as ahamkara - is the complete thing. And the aham, ‘I’, the ‘I-ness’, that is…I don’t know in English what do you call that? The one, that ‘I’, that does everything. It can see it’s this ego. We can say that is the shadow of Self within you. There is someone who is all the time seeing you. You are not connected with the Self but you know the dictums of the Self. There’s somebody who’s watching, all the time. We can say the shadow of that, which is spread in our being, of the Self, is there. We know what that wants: when we are committing mistakes, we know we are committing mistakes; if we are thieving, we know we are thieving. That light is all the time there. That is the Self Itself. We know that it is there, but there is no other side rapport [that] is touched: that is, you see the projection of that in you, but you cannot reach from where the projection is coming. That’s [the] One known as Kshetragnya: is the one who knows the field, the Knower of the field. Actually it is the Self Itself. But His vision in us, the vision of that — you can call, that’s what I call, the shadow — the vision of that Self, we are all the time conscious of. It is watching us even when we are alone, when we are in company and everywhere. It is watching us. This One, in the [Bhagavad] Gita, is called as Kshetragnya. ‘Kshetra’ is the field, and the One [who] is the Knower. Actually the Knower is the Self; but through its vision, through its power of knowledge it is knowing everything, and we know that It is knowing us. ‘We’, that means the ego part. The ego knows that somebody is watching it. With Sahaja Yoga, the only thing [is], what happens [is] that that vision that you have throughout becomes the vibrations, becomes enlightened, in the sense that you can have a rapport with that point from where it has manifested. Did you follow me? If you have not, you tell me. Like this is the (electric) light, all right? This light has an aura, or it has a light spread out everywhere. What will you say to [describe] that light which is spreading out, apart from the light that is there? I’ll just call it the shadow, all right? All right? So the light that is spreading out from there is knowing about what you are doing and you know that that shadow force [is there]. It’s like a shadow with you. You know in yourself what you are doing. And that is the shadow which carries all your deeds onto, also, your Kundalini and puts that, puts it down there. That is what sometimes you call as human awareness. That light is the human awareness as you call it. But ego is not the same. Because It can see the ego, It can see the superego. But, what you say is the ‘I’: the light that is closed in this room, by this candle, or by this (electric) light is what you call the ‘I’, the closed one. And this knows about everything and you know that this light knows what you are doing. This [electric] light does not know. It’s just the opposite otherwise: this light that is inside this room does not know what you are doing, but through this light you know what is in this room. Do you follow this point? Clear? The light that is spread in the room, that light, has no awareness. But because of this light we can know what is in this room. Just the opposite is the light of Self. The light of Self knows what we are doing and because of that light we also know what we are doing. If we were unconscious we would not know we are doing. So that light, or that aura of light, sparks at the conscious moment, at the conscious moment. Like this, you can say: supposing this is the past and this is the future, in the centre is the conscious mind. At this conscious mind you see the light of the knowledge [of] what you know. Sahaja Yogi: Then the conscious [mind] is the Self? Shri Mataji: No, no, no! Conscious [mind] is the area in which the light of the Self makes you aware of what you are. Like the gleam of the light passing through, you can say. From the Self the light is coming, and it enlightens the conscious mind. And the conscious mind knows in the conscious area. In the conscious area that light knows what you are doing. And you are also aware of that light. Gregoire: What difference [is there] between the preconscious mind and conscious mind in the location? Shri Mataji: The location is: conscious in the centre, preconscious on the right. All right? Preconscious is on the right and the conscious is in the centre. Now the preconscious mind, whatever the preconscious mind is doing, we know in the area of the conscious mind: this light gives us the awareness of it. Sahaja Yogi: Of the light? Shri Mataji: The light is the aura of the Self. Sahaja Yogi: It’s like a mirror, Mother. The conscious mind is a mirror for the preconscious mind. Shri Mataji: You see, when you say, ‘mirror’ it becomes one-sided, that’s the point. That’s why I’m saying: It is not one-sided. It is all-sided. If you just use a mirror, then it has to be one side, but it’s not like that. It is on all sides. The aura is on all sides. Or you can say it falls onto the edges of the conscious mind, of the preconscious mind and the subconscious mind, in the centre, in the conscious area. But that’s the light part of it. The conscious mind itself has no meaning if we are not aware. The conscious mind can sleep off if you are not aware of the light. So that light which is coming into you [is] from the Self, from Self. Now human beings have that light much brighter than the animals have. That’s why I call it a light and not only the conscious mind, because the animals also have the conscious mind. But your light is different from their light. Your awareness is much higher and is built-up. How? By developing your chakras. Say, for example, we can say, or if you can say: yes, even reflection you can say that, in the centre is the light and all the sides are reflecting: then you can use the same way. But supposing this [room] is the conscious mind, the whole walls of the conscious mind. So the light is in the centre, and the light is reflected on these walls. Now the conscious mind of the human beings, supposing, are these walls and they are evolved and developed to such a point that they see what wrong they are doing; and they can see for themselves. If they keep these walls clear and clean — the conscious mind — that means you are alert about what you are doing with your conscious mind. Then you keep these walls absolutely clean, then the reflection is very clear. But still there is no rapport established between the walls and the light - vice versa I mean. This way it is, for the light knows the walls. Walls also know there is a light which knows about it, everything but the rapport, in the sense that the light cannot do anything about the Self and the Self cannot do about the light (the wall). Did you follow that? Sahaja Yogi: About the wall no? Shri Mataji: Of the wall. But that light exists. It exists. It tells you the reality. It tells you, “This is what you are. Here you are. This is your position.” This light is telling you. This is the Kshetragnya: the one who knows the field. He just tells you. It gives a clear-cut idea to you that, “You are here.” “You have got spots on your wall.” “You have spoiled your walls.” “There is no reflection properly coming,” or, “There is reflection coming,” if you are all right. Now the better you are, the better is the light, and there is no conflict coming; you are nicely going on. That’s why I say to be in the centre. Now, you can say that the attention is in the walls. Your attention is spread on the walls. All right? From there it acts. It acts inside and outside. The attention acts outside, as you know, it’s very easy to act outside. But inside it acts only as far as knowing that, “I know everything [about] what I do.” Did you follow that? The attention is on the walls. Human attention is on the wall. This attention knows that there is a light inside, and it puts that light...I mean, as far as possible, outside also; it can extend its light outside. In the sense that, supposing a person is not realised but he is a dharmic person, so his light is quite all right, no problem. He doesn’t have any conflicts. He’s dharmic. He’s a nice religious man and he knows there is light, he knows, and there’s no conflict between the light and himself. So the aura is absolutely nicely placed. Now, supposing, if there’s a conflict between this and this: the aura will be disturbed. But actually there’s no disturbance in the light itself. But, because of these walls, it may be looking disturbed. Because when the light is falling on something: like you see the water, and if the water is not steady [then] you see it’s moving like that. All right? So, like that, the attention is here (on the walls). The attention, if it is unsteady, then the image you get is blurred, of the light. And the light that you throw out, outside, becomes a blurred image of that light. All right? So, now we are coming to the conscious mind. Conscious mind is the one, in that area which is a very shortened time, very short time. Between the future and the past it’s just a little time, very little time. It’s called as vilamba in the Sanskrit language. Is a very, very, very small, little time, and we cannot stop there. So in that area suddenly you touch the aura, you can say the light, and there you see it. So then you know what it is. Then again you are thinking about the past, or you think about the future. That time, you know what you are thinking, but then you come to the conscious area and you know, “Oh I have been thinking like that I should not have done it!” Because you are moving all the time on waves. In between these two waves is the conscious mind: a little bit, very little area is there, in the beginning. All right? Now below that is the unconscious mind, you can say. Actually it is above but we can say, below, just now, to explain it. Like, the waves rising this way, that way, in between there’s a little gap. And there where, in the conscious mind, you are touching that light of the unconscious mind. So that unconscious mind, what we call the unconscious mind, is that aura, or the light, of the Self. So every moment you are conscious, you are conscious of your unconscious mind. Conscious in the sense that you know that the unconscious mind knows, that’s why. It’s really remarkable how it’s made! For example you can say like that: you come up on one wave, “Oh,” you find, “it’s here.” “Oh yes, I know all that, what I’m thinking.” Then again you go on thinking, thinking, thinking and again you come to the conscious mind, “Oh yes, I know what I am thinking.” Like that the conscious mind is. This is the light of the unconscious mind. You can think [of it] like a waves. All right? Did you follow Bogdan? Dr. Bogdan Shehovych: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Try to follow it, you see, then it would be nice. Now questioning you don’t ask. Just now you try to follow the point, because it’s a subtle subject. And, if you have to understand the subtle, I have to use analogies which are not subtle. So, in analogies, don’t get lost. I’m just trying to tell you how to understand what is the unconscious mind within us, and where do we stand as far as the conscious mind is concerned. The edge of the unconscious mind is the unconscious; edge of it. And there is the attention also. Now I’ll show you. Now what happens: you are moving, say, your attention. Now, attention, just see it: the attention is moving; you can take it to the future or to the past. Now the attention goes like that. And at the conscious mind, suddenly you will [think], “Oh!” You become aware of it. Your attention becomes aware, “Oh!”. Otherwise you are just thinking, thinking, thinking like that. But when again you touch, at the conscious mind, again you become aware. Again you move like this then you are lost; again you become conscious of it. Now this light is coming from where? Is from the Self. Where is the ego and where is the superego, in this? Now this wave is the past, and this is the future. So, all the time you are moving from past to the future, past to the future, like that. But in this jumping there’s a little time in between where you are conscious. And whenever you are moving from one to another — before Realisation I am saying. All this I am telling you about before Realisation — you are conscious that there is something, under flow, which is knowing where and how we are jumping, whether this or that side. You are going this way, that way, this way, that way, all the time. Forwards, backwards, whatever it is. But you are moving this way. Now, the movement of the conscious mind you can see, but it’s a split of a second, just a split of a second, before Realisation. Did you follow this point or not, first of all? Make it very clear or not? So we move to another point now. The attention is moving which is on the edge. You can say that attention is another light or you can say another sort of a — which is the human side of it, which is moving from there — energy. You can say the attention is another energy which is moving like this, on the edge. It is generated from your liver. This energy is generated from your liver. And it comes out and it is just like a very thin edge, you can say: the attention. So the attention is recording - where are we. But when it touches the conscious mind it becomes conscious of what you are: “This is me!” Maybe when you are stealing you are not conscious but when you have stolen then suddenly you come back, “Oh God, I did that!” You become conscious of it. So the attention is moving like this, which makes you aware of that. Now, the human attention has been evolved as the edge of the preconscious and the subconscious minds. Do you follow this point or not? On the edges. The human attention… (Shri Mataji stops the talk to enquire in Hindi about somebody’s health who has just arrived. Possibly Ravi and Mrs Devi.) Shri Mataji: Aaye, baitho! Aa jao! (Hindi: come here, sit down.) Just to explain to you…This is the unconscious mind here. All right? And this is the right hand side, is what you call the preconscious mind, and this is the subconscious mind. The attention is in between, connected with the unconscious mind, also, you can call it. But this unconscious mind in the animal I have shown it like that. Just to show you [that] it’s the unconscious mind I have shown it here. But actually, you know, the unconscious mind is a part of it in the Kundalini and part up there. So it is, just to show you, I have shown [it]. Say, you can call it ‘the aura of Kundalini’ you can call it. But now, here, it is easier to understand (Mother is showing a diagram). In the human beings who form habits it’s like this. All right? It is like this, the attention is spread out, throughout it. And this area I’ve enlarged it. It’s not such a big area. I’ve just enlarged it (on the diagram). This is the area of the conscious mind, which is a very small area. And this part is the ego, and the superego is here. And this lining is the conscious mind. Sahaja Yogi: This is in the head? Shri Mataji: No, no, no! This is in the human being, the [spinal] column, the complete column, the complete thing, I’m telling: the Ida and the Pingala nadi. This is the Pingala and this is the Ida. At the edge of that, you see, is here; and inside is the conscious mind, this one. This is a very small area. Now what happens [is] that, here is the Kundalini. All right? That is also the unconscious mind, part of the unconscious mind. And here is the unconscious mind you can say, about which we are not conscious of. And I have shown you [that] here is the Self. And the Self, Sadashiva’s seat, is here. This sees. From here it sees all over. It comes out; your Spirit comes out, goes round and sees you. It is on your head, sometimes on your head, mostly in your heart. And it is watching you around. It knows, it is all the time knowing about it. And this light that is here, we are also aware that it’s there. We know that this light is recording this; we are aware of it. All the time we are aware that this light is trickling down and there’s a little glimmer of that light coming in that little gleam of light, you can say, in the conscious area. So we are aware that this light is knowing about us. What we do is to, by raising the Kundalini is, the Kundalini when she rises, what she does She rises, because of her rising the attention she takes, the attention she sucks it on herself, on the both sides of the Kundalini the attention gets attached; or [you can] say it becomes like this: a crown over the area. Because the area has increased: you can see, if the Kundalini is so big as that. So you can see it is crowned up now, the attention is. So the Kundalini rises, like this, pushes this out, and takes this attention into this one. So a rapport is established between the Spirit and yourself. If you can think, if you can make it a small one, you see; the Kundalini is a small one, but supposing I have made a big one (on the chart); so the Kundalini rises, touching the attention like this, all over, goes up here, opens it out, becomes one. Yogi: Because the attention is on the whole Nadi from the Mooladhara up to the bottom? It’s not in the mind. Shri Mataji: What? Yogi: The attention. Shri Mataji: No, no! Yogi: Oh! Shri Mataji: Attention is not in the mind alone. Attention is all along, and is generated through your…I mean it is not generated we should say, but we can say it is looked after, or maintained, or attained to, through your liver. But the evolution of mind, as the mind grows up, this attention becomes improved. In an animal, attention is not like this: he is just a straight line, from here to here. In this the attention becomes wider, bigger and intelligent. It has both the things fully developed. In the animal it’s just a few layers developed there and they are in a straight line. This doesn’t come up in an animal: this is ego and superego, when they meet, this thing works out. Because of this, closing down, it develops its own awareness. By closing down it develops itself. As Gregoire has said it, as an egg develops. So this is the crust that is formed and it develops within itself. So it is developed. Now for developing this you use your ego or superego. But if you do it in equal way, keeping to the centre, so there is no increase on this side or that side. Now, what is the ego? Is a bulge out here. And what is the superego? Is a bulge out here. It goes up like a bulge here like a horn! It comes out bulging like that (laughing). Do you understand? Now, no use pushing it down and doing anything about it. What you should do is to put attention in the centre here: centre. So because of dharma, dharma is the one which keeps the bulge there, attached to this; so the proper, proper growth comes in. Up to the Nabhi is the bulge. Then the wisdom and all those things work out in you, and you keep like this. This is a proper, sensible person. But normally it is not. Normally the question will be like this, and this one just hanging out on this side. Normally the person is not like this. This comes up like this. I mean, in the West I am saying, and is attached like to a peg like that! This one is a rudimentary thing. Now where do you take out? Here? This side? Yogis: No, no. Shri Mataji: It’s like that. So now you understand what I mean. Now is it clear now? Attention, supraconscious? It’s a difficult subject. It’s a difficult subject to understand mentally. Then above, the God’s attention is not like yours. Your attention is much more than an animal’s attention is: that you realise. But God’s attention is manifold dynamic than yours is. So when you become [one] with That, That attention becomes your attention: It starts flowing through you. So it forms then another layer - that is the God’s attention - and you start getting the vibrations in the hand. First time you start, in the conscious mind, He starts flowing, in the real sense, and you develop that sort of a sheath here, you can say, and you start feeling the vibrations. But again, when you go this way a little bit more, it stops there; or this way more, it stops. Again you bring it in the centre and gradually allow the space to be more. Now this is what is the surrendering: is the space more there. Because you don’t allow this to work out (ego), or this to work out (superego) but just allow a space. So it starts opening out and the light starts working. Yogi: Shri Mataji, it’s like in Indian music, when they go like that and they come back to the note. That you just did this now. Shri Mataji: ‘Sum’ that is what it is called as – Sum. Sum means actually ‘equal’. Sum. But when they come to that point, to the first point, in the Indian music, they’ll go on playing - 16 beats. They’ll go 16 into 10, but again they’ll come back to the same point.; this same must meet with the same, and that’s it. So ‘sum’ is equal. At that point everything must meet. And when all this is opened out…actually, here I have shown it like that, but you should put the chakras connected to that, in between. This attention goes and is actually connected with the chakras here. So the Kundalini passes through the chakras. You can see there is a chakra here and a chakra here and a chakra here and a chakra here. When you allow this space to increase more, then what happens [is] these chakras also open out. In these chakras your own Deities are there. They have their own play and they are one with it. So it works in unison. And that’s why the identification takes place. But leaving this space, itself, means surrender, in the normal understanding. Because the dynamic is there. The dynamic is all-pervading, it is working out. All right? It is all-knowing. It is working out Its job. It is correct. But the problem is your attention has not grown that subtle, as to enter into It. When it becomes that subtle — only human beings can become that — it opens out this thing. Actually the Kundalini adds that subtleness to it, of the subtle system, and She brings it down. And that subtleness gives you a lining of subtleness. And that becomes one, subtle with this, and it starts passing through those subtle areas [and] vibrations start flowing The more you open out this part, you become one with this. So what? You become the Self. Now, this Self here (Mother can be heard showing a piece of paper), this Self is the nucleus in the body and that body is a cell in the bigger body. All right? So, you become one with the All-pervading force: that is the Will of God; which is known to this Self, the nucleus of that cell Every Self knows what God wants, fully, completely. So as soon as you allow your knowledge, so-called, to drop out a little bit, the real knowledge starts pouring in, and then? Oh, you can order about! Then you can say whatever you feel like and it just works out. But because of this, an ancient stuff with you, the lining being the new one, it’s difficult to identify that lining fully with this. If you could, then, you would be just there – no problem of clearing anything and it’s all cleared. This light, when it flows, this passes through all the chakras and comes out. First the Kundalini comes up. She opens the chakras, makes the place; opens it out. Also, by Her coming up, there’s a little lining [which] comes up. But when this starts pouring down, it covers this much more. But it doesn’t cover directly like that but through the chakras It passes. That’s why your chakras are to be cleared. Because the passage is through the chakras. There are the chakras here. All of them are chakras here. All right? Did you follow this? Michael, how are you feeling? Put it straight. Put it straight. It’s cold, very cold that hand? You can take it up! You take it up! It’s all right. Close the door, yes. Now, put your hands together. Sorry. So, today, as we know that, is the day of Mohammed Sahib’s birthday. And we have to understand that all these incarnations came at different times. They all came at different times. And They came as a continuous process of evolution of man. No question of conflict or anything in that: no question. You see, human beings can’t understand, because they create conflict, they have lived with conflicts, with this thing (limbic area) closing down here, this thing. So They just came on this Earth, nobody’s property. They came as incarnations on this Earth, all of Them. He (Mohammed Sahib) came after Christ. See His position! Because Christ came as an incarnation which was the son God, the son aspect of God, and He taught forgiveness. And the Christian doctrine has called it the suffering, and the Christians must suffer! So, all those Christians must suffer, you see. There’s sort of a thing just branded on you. Then, anybody kills, you should accept killing. Anybody wants to hurt you, you must accept. “You must suffer!” Even if you don’t suffer you should inflict suffering on yourself. This funny doctrine: everybody was surprised, “From where did they get it?” Christ did not suffer. He cannot suffer. How can they suffer? If He could suffer then how was He the son of God? He could not. It was just a drama. Actually His message was resurrection, but the Christians started using it as a suffering: so they (the Deities) said, “Oh God, now what to do?” So we have to send Somebody else! Now whom do we send? Someone who will be able to teach them there’s no suffering. You have to defend. You have to fight it out! How dare they make you suffer! Like, I’ll tell you: somebody from Muktananda had come to my programme. Horrible fellow he was, sick. He came and he started saying all kinds of things there. So the Sahaja Yogis got angry, you know, Modi and all that. They said, “We’ll beat you if you don’t keep quiet!” He started saying, “Oh, you are like this, you are like that!” He (Modi) said, “You don’t say anything to our Mother otherwise we’ll beat you!” So he said, “You are Sahaj Yogis and you should bear it!” He said, “Jolly well they’ll bear you out now!” “Throw him out,” I said, “just now! And give him two kicks! Just now you throw him out, immediately!” If you had said anything to Christ’s Mother, He would have taken the same cross and hit all of them nicely. That’s why it was arranged that nothing should be said about Christ’s Mother. Because that would be the sensitive point. On that point He would never have compromised. So this foolish idea that all these religious people should suffer. And then why the religion? Why should you have the religion? I mean, if you have to have sufferings on account of religion, better not have such a horrible religion! You see, it is like purchasing sufferings! No. Where did it say? I don’t know. Where in the Bible they said that all the Christians must suffer? I don’t know what point you get from where! Gregoire: It is reported in the Bible that Jesus said to a young man, “If you want to follow me take your cross,” or something like that. Shri Mataji: All right. That doesn’t mean that you suffer! “If you want to follow me take your cross.” Now, what is the cross? You know [it] is a symbol of innocence. I say take your cross, because, if you are coming here, as you are, you are to be moulded, you are to be brought to the proper balance, so you little bit suffer. When you try to test other’s vibrations you do get a little bit of that burning and all that. But not the way we have understood, to carry our crosses: now what is your cross? I mean [it’s] absurd, I tell you! The whole understanding is of Christ. You make such a great personality into nothing, absolutely! He came here to teach you to suffer? I mean, can you think of such a thing? I don’t know what brains and what intelligence all your, these ‘great’ priests are using to say that He came here to teach you to suffer! Marie: They probably have trouble with their liver and they feel miserable so they get suffering out of it! Shri Mataji: (laughing) No, no, but the preaching is that you must suffer! Now even if you take, like this, a position: you can say that it was that if anybody says [something bad] to you, you just don’t bother about it, you don’t bother. But why suffer? Suffering means that you bother about it! Otherwise you just don’t bother. Yogi: I think it’s just a rationalisation of impotency. I think it’s like that. Because they were unable to do anything. The priests were unable, they were seeing people suffering around and they were not able to help them, then they said then, “Accept your suffering and enjoy it.” Shri Mataji: Enjoy the suffering? No, it’s an absurd doctrine of suffering. Marie: But the original doctrine was that you offer whichever sufferings to God and then it got twisted out that you have to feel miserable. Yogi: Suffering was like tapas or something like that. Shri Mataji: Tapah! Tapah! Marie: When suffering comes to you, you have to accept it and offer it to God. I mean some people do still teach the right thing but most people just think they have to feel miserable. Shri Mataji: You see, I wish, you shouldn’t say, even, ‘offering’ or anything. You see, God’s name or God Itself is a balm to it. You have pain in the stomach: when you put [a] hand towards me, supposing, you get all right - finished! Now what are you offering to me? I am not getting anything! It’s just a different thing altogether. You see, suffering and God are two different things! God is the One who balms your suffering. What is that 23rd Psalm is? Does it say you suffer? Gavin Brown: The Lord is my shepherd. Shri Mataji: Then? Where, which one is such a great thing that such a big doctrine has come out — from where I don’t know — that we all should suffer? It is all the time promised [that] even those who are suffering will be helped: “Blessed are those…” Gavin Brown: But there was no actualisation of the promise until now. Gregoire: Mataji, if you wouldn’t have come, ok... Shri Mataji: Why wouldn’t I have come? Gregoire: Ok, let’s say one life earlier… Gavin Brown: Supposing that you had not come… Gregoire: No! Let’s say, one life earlier… Gavin Brown: …we would not have understood what Christ was about. Gregoire: ...and we are suffering because there is a mess around. The only way we can bear it is in thinking that our suffering has a meaning. And the only way we can think our suffering has a meaning is in… Shri Mataji: Then the simple meaning is: because of your mistakes you are suffering! Gregoire: And that does not help! Shri Mataji: It is a very simple thing, you know. It’s very, very simple. You, the human beings: put them on one side, God on another side, all right? You cut each other’s throats: God has told you to cut each other’s throats? If there is war, then who? God has created war? Physically also: if you neglect yourself, you do all kinds of things, then you suffer! Who has asked you to read so many books? Who has asked you first of all to create so many books? What do you know to create so many books? That’s it! So you are doing it, so you face it also here! Did God ask you to write so many books and read them and condition yourself? Who has asked you to listen to Freud? But inside you He is all the time talking and telling you. It’s not that He’s given you up. He’s all the time guiding you. Only thing you should have done is to accept His advice. All the time He’s telling you, “It’s wrong, it’s too much you are doing it.” You can even see your ego, what more do you want to see? When you know your horse is doing a fast one: so why not make it a slow moving one? You know you are missing your targets: why not slow it down? Did God tell you all these things the way you are suffering, suffering and you go on? Now this girl who has, her husband has met a death because he has committed an accident: did God tell him you go and commit an accident? He must be going somewhere in a hurry: he must go! So he commits an accident and he’s had it. Human beings have created everything. Even the bhoots and all those have been created by human beings, God has not created them. All this is the creation of human beings. God has created joy and happiness. All the beauty of the world is at your feet, such beautiful things. Imagine a small, little tree also, if you see a small little seed; anything you see in yourself, your eyes on, if you watch, you want to see, under microscope, beautiful! So very nice! How beautifully everything He’s done for you to see the joy. And here you are taking one knife and putting it inside and you say, “I am suffering.” Who has asked you to do that? It’s like that, whether collectively or individually. God is not responsible for that. You see it’s like a mother who has cooked everything nicely for you, “Come along now for the food!” Here She finds her children coming home, all wounded, all famished, finished! He has created beautiful things for you, absolute beauty. And He wants you to sit there and enjoy that joy, just imagine! That’s why He has created you! It’s such a frustration it is. Such a frustration! (laughter) (damaged part of Regis Camille’s tape: inaudible for 20 seconds) ...you can make out a person who is cruel, but you want to go to such a person, spoil yourself and then you say you are miserable. You give so much importance to human beings. It’s only you who is doing it. If there is Hitler, Hitler could not be there unless and until there were Germans to help him. Without the Germans do you think Hitler could have existed? Same here, you elect your people who are very dominating, sometimes who are possessed; they become your prime ministers, supposing. Then what do you do? It’s left to you! If you don’t want you can have good people. Will you put any saint there? No, you’ll say he’s not practical? Nobody would accept a saint! You see anywhere, like that Macarias horrible fellow! You call him as the head of the church there! I mean, how could he be there? In India they appoint these Shankaracharyas: horrible, useless things, good for nothing! They cannot be even used as footballs I tell you, they are so useless! And people are making for them golden umbrellas! On top they want to have diamonds and things. And if they go about in the market people will think there’s a kuli going. I mean the one who is carrying the luggage is also called as kuli in India. Yogi: A porter. Shri Mataji: Yes, a porter. There’s a porter going on! And they want to have a crown. Because they look like that, such miserable creatures. So they want to have a crown of gold and they want to have a big umbrella made of gold, and the umbrella will fall down on them, so they must have a shield also, to protect themselves. Such miserable horrid people, they become the heads of the churches and heads of the organisations. It is you [do that]. And while the good say, “We must suffer.” They say, “It’s alright, let it go!” So what prospers is the bad, is the evil. No more of suffering for the saints! Had enough of it. Yogi: Sounds good! Shri Mataji: Absolutely! Nobody dare touch a saint now. That’s it! Had enough of it. But Christ was alright, He never suffered, but He relieved everybody’s suffering. He doesn’t suffer. I don’t suffer at all. Neither you are going to suffer now. In the name of God you are not going to suffer now. Let’s see now. Unless and until you are addicted to it then I can’t help you: you want to have suffering then go ahead with it! But if you want to have joy you will have it and nobody can take it away from you. Those who try will suffer. Those who go against you will suffer. This is Krishna’s style, or we can say Mohammed Sahib, because today is His birthday. So to understand Him in the right perspective, you see. After Christ it was such a fiasco, that they had to come to say that you are not to suffer. Even His grandsons who were, you know, reborn from Mahavir and Buddha, they came to teach the nonviolence of the nonsense that’s going on: to stop that, know that there is a non-violence of God which is violence; which is just killing! They need a little killing, nicely! And sometimes a big one too! They will have it. So the idea that we should not be a military force - why not? We are the greatest military force! Here you will sing “Onward Christian soldiers!” Now how can the soldiers be sufferers? You are soldiers, you are endowed with powers of The Almighty, and how dare you suffer! It is a wrong idea. You have not to take anything aimed at you. Alright, like a gentleman, like an elephant when he walks and the dogs are barking, it doesn’t bother - but in its greatness, not in suffering. It just moves and goes on like that. Like that! You are not to bother about these bickerings and all nonsensical things. You are not to come down on your ego. But no suffering! No suffering of any kind. This is the message of Mohammed Sahib. But Muslims? Oh God! His enemies became Muslims, I can tell you this much, the way they are. The way they are treating Him, you can see that they were His enemies. The first and foremost thing He has said is that all of them are Prophets. They have come at different times. He said, “Don’t drink,” because He saw [that] Christ didn’t impress too much on the drinking, so that’s what they have started! They find a loophole everywhere. You see, now I am saying so many things, but maybe I may leave one or two points here and there. I’m trying to cover up [all the points] you see, that’s why I talk, talk, talk, talk, talk - nothing should be left out! Because you will catch hold of that point, somebody, and get onto that. He came down and he said, “Don’t drink!” Muslims are drinking the most. Christ said, “Don’t go near the spirits.” So in the church you will have graveyards. In the church only you will have graveyards! Just see the wonderful part of it! He said, “Don’t go near the dead. You have nothing to do with the dead.” That’s what all the Christians are busy with this... (break in recording) There is God, and also we know that He is reflected in us, in our heart as Spirit, as Atma, as Self. Now, when we know about the three channels that are working within us, of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati. The three powers of Ida, Pingala and Sushumna, which create the subconscious, preconscious and the conscious mind, are working in our consciousness. That means we are conscious of them. We are conscious of our left and right, that is Ida and Pingala, sympathetic nervous system. We are not conscious of the parasympathetic. That means that we can increase the rate of our heart, we can increase the rate of our breathing, but we cannot decrease it. The decrease, or what you call the lowering down of the rate, is done by parasympathetic. So the parasympathetic is active, but we are not conscious of it: in the sense that we have no control over it. The Spirit, that is God, which is reflected in us, resides in the heart. The manifestation of Spirit in our heart controls the parasympathetic. But this Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty in our heart, as if in a mirror. And Divine love, which is the light of God, is reflected in us through the reflection of the Spirit, as the unconscious mind. So within us there is an area about which we are not conscious. That is why it is called as unconscious. That area lies so far away from our conscious mind that we cannot control it. We are not conscious of it, but it acts, through parasympathetic activity. How it acts, I will give you a simile: Supposing there is a power works (a power plant) somewhere, and it is acting through this (electric) light over here. You don’t see the power work, or the factory, or wherever the power is created, but what you’ll see is the manifestation here, and you see the light. But supposing you do not see the light, nor the lamp, nor the factory, but you are affected by it: that is the situation of a human being. A normal human being who is not a realised-soul, is not aware of that factory, which is God, or the light it has got, is not aware of the lamp that he has got in his heart, and is also not aware of the light that the lamp is emitting. But it is acting. So the unconscious mind is nothing else but the projection of God’s will through the light of Divine love. I have given this simile again and again, which is very good and apt: that, these two powers that are within us, one on the left, another on the right hand side, are there and we are conscious of them and we use them. Out of them, the right: we use it in absolute awareness. The left one, we know is used as subconscious mind, and sometimes, if you take drugs or if you do something like that, then you go to your subconscious also. So you can become aware of the subconscious area also. So you are aware of, the right hand side already, and you are aware of the subconscious sometimes, when you try to get aware of it. So these two powers that are within us are all the time vibrating in a wave, and the points at which they meet, they create the throb, or you can say the centre. A centre is created, a Deity is placed [there], but there is no light for us to see, or to feel, or to be conscious of the Deities; the Deities are fast asleep! When the Kundalini rises…now Kundalini is the subconscious. You will be surprised that Kundalini is a Mahakali power. She is absolutely pure, in the purest form, because She is not used. We can say, part of it is used in us, our subconscious. Sort of, we have kept some water separately, which we have not used so far. So first of all we use the subconscious water and the preconscious water and we dirty it, we exhausted it. Then this stored-up power rises and does the last cleansing. But when She rises She creates a third current. Still that third current, when She is rising, doesn’t have the light. But when It reaches the Sahasrara and pierces it then it becomes one with the Universal Consciousness. Because what is God? Is the One who controls the Universal Consciousness. He’s The Controller of the Universal Consciousness. He emits the light. And when this Kundalini rises it gets that flame on it. So now all the Deities get awakened. Now, you may say that, “It is in the heart, Mataji, you are saying. You are saying it is here,” It’s a confusion, people think. But actually it is All-pervading. Say, God is a nucleus you can say, or a factory, which has the light all over and is reflected in the heart. So when your Kundalini, a particular, individual Kundalini, touches that, then this light takes place, then in the heart the Spirit is ignited; or sort of it emits, it manifests, it projects. And its projections are these vibrations. So, through this, you know the will of God. Through this you have a dialogue with God and you understand Him, what He wants. And what does He want you to know? There are three qualities of God which you can feel through this. One: what is the Truth. You ask any questions: if you are asking for something, and if it is in “yes” then you will get too many vibrations. If it is in “no” vibrations will lower down. That’s how you can verify what is right, what is wrong. What is the Truth, what is not the Truth, now you can know. Nobody has to tell you, you don’t need any clergyman or anybody to certify it. It is there. Through your vibrations you can feel it: is this is the Truth or not? Is it a correct place you have come to or to the wrong person? Then also the various combinations and permutations of these, it is true, but still there’s a little point that is wrong in you. For example, if you say that, “Christ was resurrected in person?” “Yes, that’s true,” and you’ll get more vibrations. But if you see now, that, if you say, “Is it, Mataji, the Mother of Christ?” If you do not accept it, you will not get it on the Sahasrara. You see for yourself. (From Regis Camille’s cassette 2) ...and he actually came to do work for Sahaj Yoga in that area. Maharashtra is a very good area for one reason: it’s a part of India where, since long, a group of people have been working on these lines of the Adi Guru. They were called as Avadhutas. And they started with Machhindernath - a Primordial Master was born as Macchindernath - and they started working on very few people in the villages, or you can say in the hills and we can call them that they were like ascetics, just dedicated to find out the truth. And these people, there were very few of them, they started working it out. Like the Kashyapas of the Zen system. And they went into various countries - even Machhindernath, his disciple was Gorakhnath - they all went into various countries to find out what is the problem and how it is to be worked out. So there is a disciple essence also [which] was brought in. And these disciples, two of them have become incarnations. One of them as you know is Buddha and another is Mahavira: they have become incarnations. So everything has been tried and worked out for you. You don’t have to bother about it. The only thing is that to be Sahaja is to leave space in between. Just try. That’s what surrender is: to leave space. Just leave space! And say whatever you want to, you can say it out: If you say ‘no’, then no. If you say ‘yes’, yes. For example you want to have an ashram, alright you can have it. But if you go and say, “How can we have? It’s very difficult.” He’ll say, “Alright, go ahead!” “How are we going to work it out?” Then nothing is going to materialise. You just say, “Yes we are going to have it!” “Alright, work it out!” That’s right. That’s how things work out. For you it’s much easier than for me, because I don’t really want anything, if you ask me. I don’t want any ashram or anything. Wherever I am, I am alright. But you need the ashram so you have to desire for it. You have to desire. On the left hand side is your heart: ask for the desire and put a bandhan to it, it will work out. But don’t be hesitant: “How can it be?” You want rain? Alright, say, “Come along rain!” Have it! You want sun? You can ask the Sun to come out. You want heat? You can have the heat. But you should know that you are now established in the Kingdom of God; then only it will work out! Such hesitant people! It’s such a funny stuff: like a driver sitting in the car, how can you blame the car? You don’t know how to drive, you have not yet mastered it, you are so nervous, you are not confident. Then it works out. How are you now Michael? Are you better? Hmmm, it’s working out. Should we go into meditation? Yes? Alright. (end of recording)

3/20/1978

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We are all seeking, public programme, Caxton Hall, London, 20 March 1978. Gregoire has said so many things that I really don’t know what to say after that. Really dumbfounded. I know it’s a fact and you have to face it, though I’m bashful about it. You were all seeking, and I think from the time I remember I haven’t met anyone who was not seeking. They may be seeking in money, in power. But so many of them were really seeking something beyond. In the West, I always felt all the great sages of the old and the ancient times who were seeking God, are born. I could see, the way you have abhorred materialism; the way you have achieved a kind of a understanding about life… is new thing. At the time of Christ it was not possible to see such people except for some lepers and some sickly people. There was nobody else who was willing to look at Him. Times have changed no doubt. But, in this seeking, many people have committed lots of mistakes. Mistakes can be forgiven always. They should be rectified. I’ve been born with this. I knew I had to do this and I knew I had to be in London one day. All the people who are of a very high, evolved status, I can say, who do not live in the humdrum of life, who do not roam about as gurus and earn money, who do not claim to be pundits and the temples’ and the priest people, those who live away from all of you, hiding themselves in the jungles, they knew it was to happen. They knew about it. But when the seeking started in the West, like a demand the supply came in. We have so many Sahaja Yogis here sitting down. I would say they are real seekers because they [DENIED? not clear – “denied” sounds like “renite”], defied. There few things, you can make it out very easily when we have, before us, the life of Christ, by which you can make out who is the true person and who is not. It’s not difficult. For example, a person who takes money from you, cannot be, cannot be a person who belongs to God. Person who belongs to God doesn’t think much of money or anything. If he’s rich, he lives like a rich person. If he’s poor, he lives like a poor person; but at heart he’s a king. Christ was a son of a carpenter. I see His pictures and I see His Mother’s pictures adorned with jewelry. She had only two robes to change. Perhaps it was never realized that money cannot purchase God. In the name of God and religion things have gone so far, so far that I do not blame human beings for taking to science, instead of God. The misinterpretation has been so much, one can understand. But when there are so many false things in the world - copies - then one must know that there must be something… absolute. Has to be. London is regarded by all those I have been describing about, the people who are great sages, all over the world, as the heart. It saddens Me to see sometimes how people of England have not realized the value of this great country. In this country, long time, much before, much before even Christ came in, people have worked with Kundalini. Your Stonehenge is nothing but the Kundalini. Vibrations have worked in this country for ages now. Only I am here to introduce you to them. There is some gentleman I saw copying this Kundalini that we have already made for you, all the drawings and everything, for you to see and to understand [WHERE ARE…del] what are the chakras and what are the deities ruling them. You should not accept Me even when Gregoire has told you all about these things. Could be wrong. No blind faith is going to lead you to reality, not at all. By saying “Just believe me”, is a wrong style. You should not. But you should not also deny Me. Keep it open. For you are seeking and if I have to just enlighten you because you should enlighten other people, one should not feel hurt about it. Somebody has to do it. You may be in this place or I may be in your place. Makes no difference. If there’s a candle, which is enlightened, it can enlighten other lights if they are ready. Perhaps, maybe, that I may be knowing all the tricks of the trade. I may be having all the knowledge about it. I may be worth[or WORK?] it, to know all about that. Let us not be very serious about it, just because Gregoire has struck such a serious note. It’s just a play. It’s just a play. It’s not that serious as we think it to be. It has to be a play because it is so important. All those things that are important are easiest for us – example: our breathing. Supposing for learning how to breathe, if you have to go to Caxton Hall in the rain, walk all the way, listen to a big lecture and then learn about it, you’d be finished. In the same way if we have to get our realization by standing on our heads or by renouncing the whole world or, I don’t know, dancing on the Oxford Street and all sorts of things, then God save the people who are seeking. It has to be extremely simple – has to work out that way – because if evolution is complete, we would not have been in confusion. It is not complete, that’s why we are conused. ‘Til the animal stage, there is no question of thinking about it. Only when you become human beings you start thinking about it. Only at the human stage you are given freedom to think about it. Animals are in collective consciousness all the time – in the sense they are not conscious of it, but they are driven by it. [pause in recording, Shri Mataji seems to be referring to a book] …that the whole nature works in such a manner as if there are some organizer which are arranging their coordination, their harmony, their working. Not only that but the death of one thing helps to give life to another. For example, in the nature the leaves have to fall down to the ground to give nitrogen to the ground. Again, to be again renovated, say… you can say, regenerated into the body of the tree to come again into its new foliage and to its bloom. All kinds of… we can say, real experiments he [the author] has given; but if you now go and read it you will know he’s just talking about the collective be-ing, the mass be-ing that is there, the one in which we all exist ourselves, and that He is looking after us in every way; and how everything in nature is interdependent; how animals understand; and how every amoeba and paramecium – is a unicellular cell – also understands: what its group is doing and what are the signals and how he receives it; how bees understand where is the honey and how they go and come back the same way – there are no road-maps, nothing. Miles together how do they travel? It’s very interesting. And there are many books like this, which you can find from any biologist. Another is Du Noüy [French biologist, mathématicien, philosophe ]; he’s a great biologist, I must say. Biologists, because they deal with life, I think they are very much nearer the point. Another one is Jung who had experimented with collective consciousness. He says that there are dreams we get which are universally the same as far as the symbol is concerned. The symbols that they see whether here or in India or in Australia or in Timbuktu. They’re all… when decoded… express the same thing. For example if it has to express a fear, harmony, anything, it expresses that. It’s surprising. After all there is somebody who is throwing these symbols in the atmosphere where we live. From our unconscious, he says, these are coming. But all these things are like the finding of people who are probing in the dark: they find something here and find something there, you find something there and you put it together. All these things can be put together. All these things can be bridged together, integrated together and can be shown, very easily, if you get your self-realization. Self within you, is in your heart. Your Self. You know there is somebody who knows everything about you. There is someone. If you murder someone, That one knows. If you do anything, That one knows. And That one that knows is the Self. Now when we talk of God, people have already negated God: they say, “Where is God? Let us see.” Without self-realization, you cannot know Him. You cannot know Him through all these so-called conditionings that we have. Like we go to churches and pray, go to the temples and pray, sing songs and mantras and this and that. No. You cannot know Him through these things because still you are outside. You have to come inside. During all these steps, everything, you have to come inside, inside the door, sit down and receive it. Self-knowledge is not the knowledge that: you are a sinner, you are good for nothing or you are a king or you are such and such. This is all outside. Self-knowledge is that, that you are an instrument. You are an instrument and you have to act for the dynamic forces of that Dynamic One, the vast personality whom we call as God Almighty. You are that. Only thing is the instrument is not yet connected with That. I said ‘til the animal stage we are one with it. We have no problems. Only when we become human beings then [ABOVE SHOWN?] there you see on the left the black, right the black and [THE…del] another side is the yellow-colored in the head. These are the two balloons, which grow with our activity, ego and superego. And they cover our head completely, by which this fontanel bone, which is a soft bone in the childhood –you have seen children they’re so much one with the collective consciousness - when it becomes hardened up there it is because these two meet and overlap. Man is made like that. He has been given the freedom. He has been given the ‘I’ness. He develops this special thing. He has been given freedom because this is the last stage of evolution now. Man has to jump by himself-understanding it. You do not know how you became human beings from amoeba to this stage. But human beings will have to know how they become one with themselves and how they enter into the kingdom of God. That is their right and to have this right they must have freedom and they must develop their wisdom and discretion, their temperance, – how to use that freedom. For this purpose, in our being there is already placed a residual power, which is called as Kundalini, at the base of the spine. It is there. Now. Many Sahaja Yogis, I would say thousands, in America and in India, and also other places, have seen it with their own eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini at that spine. If there is obstruction in the stomach by some disease or may be some other trouble then this pulsation is much heavier and you can see the Kundalini pulsating. Very clearly. The pulsation travels upward when the Kundalini rises. You can see that also. You can also feel the different chakras – is the centers – which are placed inside the spinal cord, not outside as some books have written. All kinds of funny things they have written about Kundalini. Anybody who felt like writing has written. From the books they have taken something, they have written such big, big books. It’s shocking because this is a very subtle thing and a holy thing. Most auspicious. The way they have handled Kundalini is something one cannot imagine. The most highest and the holiest of all has been insulted, has been ruined by this kind of half-baked people just for earning some money. How long do you carry your money with you? Are you going to carry it with you all your lives? Also cheating people or for overpowering some people – all kinds of things have been done in this world in the name of God, in the name of Kundalini. It really sometimes amazes me, how people are really seriously giving sermons and talking big in the name of God, wearing diamonds all over… bought by somebody else’s money. And how can we the thinkers, the ones who have got brains, accept such a situation where we find, where we find that those who are so much interested in all these things and trying to impress others by getting it from others. We have been really misled. It’s a sad thing. It’s the saddest story. It wrenches my heart, but I feel the innocent, the simple, the seekers… the seekers have been the greatest victims. They have been - for money, for vindictiveness, and also there are satanic forces that have come up. They are trying also to exploit. They have come in their complete force, in their full regiment they are up here. It’s hard to understand for you people how you are gradually dragged into their clutches and into their jaws and they’re about to just clutch you. But you must know that God did not create this creation to be destroyed. He did not create you to be destroyed. There’s nothing more powerful than God Himself and it is going to work out and you all are going to get it. I have no doubts about it. I have no doubts. Maybe some of you may not get it today. Possibly. But you can’t say that you will not get it tomorrow. You will and you all should have it because you are seekers.

We are all seeking, public programme, Caxton Hall, London, 20 March 1978. Gregoire has said so many things that I really don’t know what to say after that. Really dumbfounded. I know it’s a fact and you have to face it, though I’m bashful about it. You were all seeking, and I think from the time I remember I haven’t met anyone who was not seeking. They may be seeking in money, in power. But so many of them were really seeking something beyond. In the West, I always felt all the great sages of the old and the ancient times who were seeking God, are born. I could see, the way you have abhorred materialism; the way you have achieved a kind of a understanding about life… is new thing. At the time of Christ it was not possible to see such people except for some lepers and some sickly people. There was nobody else who was willing to look at Him. Times have changed no doubt. But, in this seeking, many people have committed lots of mistakes. Mistakes can be forgiven always. They should be rectified. I’ve been born with this. I knew I had to do this and I knew I had to be in London one day. All the people who are of a very high, evolved status, I can say, who do not live in the humdrum of life, who do not roam about as gurus and earn money, who do not claim to be pundits and the temples’ and the priest people, those who live away from all of you, hiding themselves in the jungles, they knew it was to happen. They knew about it. But when the seeking started in the West, like a demand the supply came in. We have so many Sahaja Yogis here sitting down. I would say they are real seekers because they [DENIED? not clear – “denied” sounds like “renite”], defied. There few things, you can make it out very easily when we have, before us, the life of Christ, by which you can make out who is the true person and who is not. It’s not difficult. For example, a person who takes money from you, cannot be, cannot be a person who belongs to God. Person who belongs to God doesn’t think much of money or anything. If he’s rich, he lives like a rich person. If he’s poor, he lives like a poor person; but at heart he’s a king. Christ was a son of a carpenter. I see His pictures and I see His Mother’s pictures adorned with jewelry. She had only two robes to change. Perhaps it was never realized that money cannot purchase God. In the name of God and religion things have gone so far, so far that I do not blame human beings for taking to science, instead of God. The misinterpretation has been so much, one can understand. But when there are so many false things in the world - copies - then one must know that there must be something… absolute. Has to be. London is regarded by all those I have been describing about, the people who are great sages, all over the world, as the heart. It saddens Me to see sometimes how people of England have not realized the value of this great country. In this country, long time, much before, much before even Christ came in, people have worked with Kundalini. Your Stonehenge is nothing but the Kundalini. Vibrations have worked in this country for ages now. Only I am here to introduce you to them. There is some gentleman I saw copying this Kundalini that we have already made for you, all the drawings and everything, for you to see and to understand [WHERE ARE…del] what are the chakras and what are the deities ruling them. You should not accept Me even when Gregoire has told you all about these things. Could be wrong. No blind faith is going to lead you to reality, not at all. By saying “Just believe me”, is a wrong style. You should not. But you should not also deny Me. Keep it open. For you are seeking and if I have to just enlighten you because you should enlighten other people, one should not feel hurt about it. Somebody has to do it. You may be in this place or I may be in your place. Makes no difference. If there’s a candle, which is enlightened, it can enlighten other lights if they are ready. Perhaps, maybe, that I may be knowing all the tricks of the trade. I may be having all the knowledge about it. I may be worth[or WORK?] it, to know all about that. Let us not be very serious about it, just because Gregoire has struck such a serious note. It’s just a play. It’s just a play. It’s not that serious as we think it to be. It has to be a play because it is so important. All those things that are important are easiest for us – example: our breathing. Supposing for learning how to breathe, if you have to go to Caxton Hall in the rain, walk all the way, listen to a big lecture and then learn about it, you’d be finished. In the same way if we have to get our realization by standing on our heads or by renouncing the whole world or, I don’t know, dancing on the Oxford Street and all sorts of things, then God save the people who are seeking. It has to be extremely simple – has to work out that way – because if evolution is complete, we would not have been in confusion. It is not complete, that’s why we are conused. ‘Til the animal stage, there is no question of thinking about it. Only when you become human beings you start thinking about it. Only at the human stage you are given freedom to think about it. Animals are in collective consciousness all the time – in the sense they are not conscious of it, but they are driven by it. [pause in recording, Shri Mataji seems to be referring to a book] …that the whole nature works in such a manner as if there are some organizer which are arranging their coordination, their harmony, their working. Not only that but the death of one thing helps to give life to another. For example, in the nature the leaves have to fall down to the ground to give nitrogen to the ground. Again, to be again renovated, say… you can say, regenerated into the body of the tree to come again into its new foliage and to its bloom. All kinds of… we can say, real experiments he [the author] has given; but if you now go and read it you will know he’s just talking about the collective be-ing, the mass be-ing that is there, the one in which we all exist ourselves, and that He is looking after us in every way; and how everything in nature is interdependent; how animals understand; and how every amoeba and paramecium – is a unicellular cell – also understands: what its group is doing and what are the signals and how he receives it; how bees understand where is the honey and how they go and come back the same way – there are no road-maps, nothing. Miles together how do they travel? It’s very interesting. And there are many books like this, which you can find from any biologist. Another is Du Noüy [French biologist, mathématicien, philosophe ]; he’s a great biologist, I must say. Biologists, because they deal with life, I think they are very much nearer the point. Another one is Jung who had experimented with collective consciousness. He says that there are dreams we get which are universally the same as far as the symbol is concerned. The symbols that they see whether here or in India or in Australia or in Timbuktu. They’re all… when decoded… express the same thing. For example if it has to express a fear, harmony, anything, it expresses that. It’s surprising. After all there is somebody who is throwing these symbols in the atmosphere where we live. From our unconscious, he says, these are coming. But all these things are like the finding of people who are probing in the dark: they find something here and find something there, you find something there and you put it together. All these things can be put together. All these things can be bridged together, integrated together and can be shown, very easily, if you get your self-realization. Self within you, is in your heart. Your Self. You know there is somebody who knows everything about you. There is someone. If you murder someone, That one knows. If you do anything, That one knows. And That one that knows is the Self. Now when we talk of God, people have already negated God: they say, “Where is God? Let us see.” Without self-realization, you cannot know Him. You cannot know Him through all these so-called conditionings that we have. Like we go to churches and pray, go to the temples and pray, sing songs and mantras and this and that. No. You cannot know Him through these things because still you are outside. You have to come inside. During all these steps, everything, you have to come inside, inside the door, sit down and receive it. Self-knowledge is not the knowledge that: you are a sinner, you are good for nothing or you are a king or you are such and such. This is all outside. Self-knowledge is that, that you are an instrument. You are an instrument and you have to act for the dynamic forces of that Dynamic One, the vast personality whom we call as God Almighty. You are that. Only thing is the instrument is not yet connected with That. I said ‘til the animal stage we are one with it. We have no problems. Only when we become human beings then [ABOVE SHOWN?] there you see on the left the black, right the black and [THE…del] another side is the yellow-colored in the head. These are the two balloons, which grow with our activity, ego and superego. And they cover our head completely, by which this fontanel bone, which is a soft bone in the childhood –you have seen children they’re so much one with the collective consciousness - when it becomes hardened up there it is because these two meet and overlap. Man is made like that. He has been given the freedom. He has been given the ‘I’ness. He develops this special thing. He has been given freedom because this is the last stage of evolution now. Man has to jump by himself-understanding it. You do not know how you became human beings from amoeba to this stage. But human beings will have to know how they become one with themselves and how they enter into the kingdom of God. That is their right and to have this right they must have freedom and they must develop their wisdom and discretion, their temperance, – how to use that freedom. For this purpose, in our being there is already placed a residual power, which is called as Kundalini, at the base of the spine. It is there. Now. Many Sahaja Yogis, I would say thousands, in America and in India, and also other places, have seen it with their own eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini at that spine. If there is obstruction in the stomach by some disease or may be some other trouble then this pulsation is much heavier and you can see the Kundalini pulsating. Very clearly. The pulsation travels upward when the Kundalini rises. You can see that also. You can also feel the different chakras – is the centers – which are placed inside the spinal cord, not outside as some books have written. All kinds of funny things they have written about Kundalini. Anybody who felt like writing has written. From the books they have taken something, they have written such big, big books. It’s shocking because this is a very subtle thing and a holy thing. Most auspicious. The way they have handled Kundalini is something one cannot imagine. The most highest and the holiest of all has been insulted, has been ruined by this kind of half-baked people just for earning some money. How long do you carry your money with you? Are you going to carry it with you all your lives? Also cheating people or for overpowering some people – all kinds of things have been done in this world in the name of God, in the name of Kundalini. It really sometimes amazes me, how people are really seriously giving sermons and talking big in the name of God, wearing diamonds all over… bought by somebody else’s money. And how can we the thinkers, the ones who have got brains, accept such a situation where we find, where we find that those who are so much interested in all these things and trying to impress others by getting it from others. We have been really misled. It’s a sad thing. It’s the saddest story. It wrenches my heart, but I feel the innocent, the simple, the seekers… the seekers have been the greatest victims. They have been - for money, for vindictiveness, and also there are satanic forces that have come up. They are trying also to exploit. They have come in their complete force, in their full regiment they are up here. It’s hard to understand for you people how you are gradually dragged into their clutches and into their jaws and they’re about to just clutch you. But you must know that God did not create this creation to be destroyed. He did not create you to be destroyed. There’s nothing more powerful than God Himself and it is going to work out and you all are going to get it. I have no doubts about it. I have no doubts. Maybe some of you may not get it today. Possibly. But you can’t say that you will not get it tomorrow. You will and you all should have it because you are seekers.

3/20/1978

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We Are All Seeking Part 2

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1978-03-20 We Are All Seeking London Source So, the Swadishthan chakra which is placed second now is the one which has got six petals and this is the one that controls the, pelvic plexus- the aortic plexus within us. That also has got six sub-plexuses. Now we have to know that these are subtle centres placed in our spinal cord and the gross centres are outside. Now this is something one must understand, if you have to understand about kundalini, that these centres are placed outside of gross plexuses, which doctors know. But they are actually subtle centres inside the spinal cord. Beyond that is another centre which you can see, that’s called as Manipura chakra – I told you the centre of the navel chakra- which has got ten petals, as I have told you, that there have been ten gurus also. And around that is the Void, is the gap. And this gap has to be filled. Now what happens when you place your hands towards me? Like this, if you could, it would be nice. All of you should place your hands, so it works out simultaneously, see this power, this Divine power which is an integrated power which is all powers put together, starts flowing into your being through your fingers. These fingers, five fingers, this portion and this portion as you will see from the chart we have given you, are responsible for sucking that Divinity within yourself. It works like an entity, it goes inside and first, it fills your stomach by which an invitation is sent to this Kundalini. She is aware and she understands that she is facing the right person. And when the invitation comes, she starts rising. She starts rising upwards breaking through all these centres. Already some of you must be feeling cool breeze in the hand already. Those who are not feeling also should keep their hands, just like this, very simple method is the simplest of all. Now you know that these are all sympathetic points. These are two sympathetic nervous system left and right. It starts working through you, passes into your hand, goes into your stomach and invites the Kundalini. The Kundalini, first of all, looks after your physical being. Supposing you are sick, even cancer. Then the Kundalini, it rises first to give you physical comfort. It goes to the point where the person has the problem. Supposing you have stomach trouble liver trouble. You can see at the back of that person, at that point, it is pulsating. You can also see that, in the hand, this finger, this thumb is burning. And if you ask the person, “Are you suffering from Hepatitis?”[unclear] He will say, “How do you know?” That’s why it is a science. It is a science because whatever you see is there, happens, and you can maneuver this power once you are realized. So, it sees to your physical being. I have said it off and on and again today I want to repeat it one thing that cancer is a disease which can only be cured through Self-realization. There’s no other way. Because overactivity of the sympathetic nervous system, on both the sides, creates a situation where a person becomes malignant, means his cells start working on their own, they lose their contact with the whole. To give it a balance and harmony, there is a system within us known as parasympathetic, in the centre, which also is connected to all our Deities and these are the organizers, the Deities, which always give us a balance. For example, if you are walking fast your heart will start beating fast for the emergency but gradually it comes back and that is brought back by the parasympathetic because of the parasympathetic activity in you, you are what you are otherwise there would have been really cancer set in with, every one of us because you are quite extremists that is the one which gives us balance and that’s why when Kundalini rises she tries to give you cures how, Christ cured people she said that something passed through my being what happened actually that when you see a sick person next to you suddenly you feel something passing from you and going into him, that is the power that power which cures first, second then it comes to a point where your mental side is in the four say chakra you can see the Heart centre, Heart centre is the centre where God has given us a sense of security, sense of security and a desire to exist, desire to exist when this centre is in difficulty you want to commit suicide. We have so many problems with this centre for example women suffering from breast cancer wanted to due to this they have sort of a insecurity in their mind in their subconscious may be and that’s why they suffer from it , when the Kundalini knows that, she rises in to that realm and helps there and person feels absolutely secure. Then it rises higher up to this point , this is a very important point for human being because through these we have a achieved our humanness and also our freedom to an human beings because our necks are up like that, this is a very very very important point, the most important I would say because there are sixteen sub plexuses the maximum and here we have become human beings by this……centre we have got the conscience. We have got the conscience, for an animal there is nothing like sin, human beings have the sense of sin, if a tiger has to eat a cow it eats, it doesn’t have to bother and think and worry about it. The conscience is built in here at the back. That’s why this is the most important thing from human point of view and this centre is given to us by God, by which we have discrimination power, we can discriminate. If this centre is correct then your hands are very sensitive and you can easily feel the divinity. But we go on compromising with our conscience. We start killing it gradually, managing somehow or the other. Bringing ourselves to the norms of the society, norms of our understanding, norms of our greed and lust. Such a conscience of course, reduces the sensitivity, the conscience is placed in this centre which is excited by the rising of the Kundalini. Your conscience becomes very active to such an extent, to such an extent that if you see a person who is possessed sitting next to you immediately you start getting heat from that person you get up and go to another place, you just feel the heat. If you start think, start thinking according to your own style of thinking and planning about doing something funny or dirty or something which is evil your vibrations will stop. You won’t get vibrations. Your hands will start shaking and you will get heat, tremendous heat in the body. The conscience become aware, becomes aware of itself, it establishes itself and it expresses itself, since realization is this,[unclear] be your subtle being becomes aware of itself and establishes solves and glorifies into it. Such a person enjoys his virtues, it doesn’t cry Oh! I am so honest that’s why I am suffering, No it says, if I am honest what a nice thing to have it, if I am kind if I am simple, Oh! what a nice thing if I am innocent, how beautiful it is to be innocent, there are so many people you will find, I am too innocent people have cheated me. Oh! you enjoy! Oh, people have cheated me, very good I have not cheated them. Thank God! That sort of a temperament you develop. In self-realization your subtle being which is the holy being within you is established and glorified, is not only somebody coming and putting the hand on your head or I say baptized finished or it’s not also a Braham coming and putting you thread and say no you are re born it’s not that. The proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. It’s not giving a lecture or a sermon or some sort of a big show or a sometimes a circus. It is something that happens to you and you are the judge of yourself and you know it yourself. Nobody else has to say that about you, you have to certify yourself, you have to enjoy yourself too. Like one poet in India said that with Sahaj Yoga Sun would itself has started smelling its own fragrance like, the flower has started smelling its own fragrance or a beautiful scene has started feeling its own beauty. This is what happens after Sahaj yoga and after the realization if it does not happen it’s not a realization because you are that, you are beauty, you are fragrance. You are glory and you have that joy you are, nobody has told you a lie so far. And if you have denied that…. you are going to get it; you will have to have it, to know that it is so. The…. this mark that I have, just behind that is the centre of the optic chiasma where the pituitary and penal bodies are placed this is very subtle centre which doctors don’t know is known as the Agnya Chakra. This centre is a very great thing for so called Christians, I would say because that is the centre of Christ and that is the point where you have promised your resurrection your rebirth .His message is not his crucifixion but his resurrection, the way he showing him lanky panky type and the most miserable how could he be, He was joy and He gave us through his own resurrection he has open that door which is described I am the door for you to enter into the Kingdom of God! But only by calling Christ- Christ is not going to work out, the Kundalini has to rise which He says I will appear before you like tons of flames, I would like all these priests put together to explain that to me. What does that mean how much do they understand about Bible which they carry with them and some of these Jews they make a small little mini picture of that and put it here. Is this the way do you think by carrying bible on your heads, are you going to go there. There must be something that God has placed within you and that is what it is your own resurrection the right of your own resurrection of your rebirth and that is this centre which is very important. This is the blood of Christ and that has promised that resurrection, to enter into the Kingdom of God that is on top here which we call as a limbic area in the medical terminology but as you call it, Sahastrara in the Sanskrit language is that there are one thousand petals there. If you cut the brain in a transverse process you can see that it looks like petal it is like that but when you see actually the Sahastrara of an enlightened one it is like a Lotus with thousand, thousand I have not counted thousand petals which go on like this leaving petal with many colors all the vibgyor colors are there all of them are there. Many have seen, many Sahajyogies have seen that happening to them while getting realization. It’s not necessary to see anything the smoothest you are you don’t see anything. The best you are you have the happiest landing and the smoothest one, the easiest people, the simplest people get it just like that without getting any sight or any light or anything just there. They just land there but it is something like landing on the Moon, how many believed those who do not understand science, my own grandmother could not believe it and she said, we are all just telling lies and even when you showed her the pictures she said, Oh, this could be done on earth only, can create a cinema like that. If you can land on the Sun why not in the Kingdom of God but somebody has to trigger it and surprisingly even the spacecraft is built on the same way perhaps the unconscious has given them to safe tied like a telescopic, like a telescope this Kundlaini rises, from one to another to another to another like that, in the same way you have seen there in the spacecraft there are these what you call them placed ah different ah vestibules one into another and the first one explodes throwing one with an accelerated speed the second one explodes throwing with the accelerated speed then the third one like that and then it goes in to the space. In the same way, the Kundalini acts but this also knowledge has come to us from our unconscious from nowhere else even a person like Einstein who was a realized soul no doubt, he says, that “I was worried about my science and everything I couldn’t do anything about this ah relativity and the whole theories dawned upon me when I was just playing with some bubbles resting in my garden and the whole things was dawned upon me from some unknown area”. This unknown area is the area of Kingdom of God the unconscious when it pierces this top that’s the Baptism which John the Baptist, was talking about. He was the only realized soul at that time. Today there are many more, many more are born, there are so many realized souls who are born even in your country up to 5 years of age you will find many children born, may be your children might be like that you don’t know they are born realized, and there are many people I have met who are born realized maybe some of them have come might have come here whom I recognized and now they recognized me, and they knew they had these powers in them, they were curing people and they were helping people but they didn’t know what it was all about, they didn’t know everything and now they have become masters of it. You have to be the masters of this Kundalini that’s why you have been evolved, you have been moving to human beings and you are to be enthroned but before doing that you have to use your freedom, you have to be free people to choose the good, the righteous, the great, the divine. But while choosing we went to the other side of it absolutely. The brain had to be developed. Your superego was developed, ego had to be developed to a point, so we started from here instead of coming here in rising we just went this side. We are thinking we are planning, even they are planning about God, they trying to plan God and organize him and they are planning even the religion part of it when you see their planning capacity you are surprised and their ego that they can conceive God in their mind. This centre the top most here, the kingdom of God when it opens out the light comes into your heart and you become one with the divine, then from your hand cold breeze start flowing may be some people might get hot breeze, might be in the beginning may be they are not well, there is ///20;07/// some sort of a problem, may be, doesn’t matter they will get cool breeze, a cool breeze starts flowing when it breaks, you become absolutely thoughtlessly aware, to begin with when you enter into it only you become thoughtlessly aware. You become blind ........if you close your eyes, you can see there is no thought coming in the mind you are just listening to me that’s all, nothing beyond. Nothing from the subconscious, neither to the supraconscious. You do not think of the future or the past but you are blank and when it breaks you find a cool breeze coming in now what is this? This is the manifestation of your Spirit, yourself; which is coming through, which is expressing itself. this is called as Chaitanya Lahari in the Sanskrit language but in the Bible, it is described in various means. When you put your hand towards a person you can feel that person too. If he is not realized you do not get any vibrations, if he is realized you get some vibrations, if he is sick you understand what is the problem, where is the problem even people who are away you can know about them because you jump into the collective consciousness. Sitting down here you can cure people, sitting down here you can give awakening but realization has to be somehow I don’t know, I can’t help it has to be in my presence or through my photograph. There is certain compulsions they had to put because you people never recognized them, none of them. They are all there within us all of them are within us ready to help you to get what you have been asking for. God has not created you to be absolutely frustrated. Know for its fulfilment, believe me it is so, the time has come, the blossom time has come. The great times have come. This is the time has been promised in all the ancient Scriptures, this is the time it has to work and it is going to work out thousands of people are getting it and why shouldn’t you get it. England is a very big place as I have told you, English people are very great too but takes time, I find they are little difficult sometimes in the beginning but once they get it, they really scholarly the way they sort it out, they are not shifty people, and I have great hopes luckily my husband was elected and he got an appointment here and I could come to London and now I’ll be with you for four years to count, now I am staying in London itself so I’ll be available for you. They have all arrangements made they are made they are going to take ah room here where I will meet you every Monday and I would like to solve your problems and to see that your realization is maintained and that you achieve the calm and the peace and the complete oneness with the divine. I would work very hard I could do anything for you but only thing is that you have to also cooperate little bit, of course there’s no question of paying any money, whatsoever, you cannot pay for my love, can you? Sometimes I am surprised, you cannot think of anything where there is no money required. You cannot pay but think what can you give me. Nothing just allow me to love you that’s all, if it is possible we work it out, as I have told you it is not a thing that can be solved by rationality it has to be triggered and have to be worked out and we all should endeavor to get it through that working not through rationality which is a limited thing and if you have to rise to the unlimited realm you cannot do through this limited means that you have. It is much beyond that and that is the place where your heart, your awareness and your brain and your liver everything integrate and you become one integrated personality. All the religions all the great religions are within you so no religion is to be condemned they have their own places all the saints,all the prophets, all the incarnations have their own places in your being and you cannot deny it so please remember that Sahaj yoga is secularism, it is capitalism because it gives you the power and it is communism because you cannot help it but give it you have to distribute it. Is a combination of everything, May God bless you all I hope we’ll have the session now and I hope many of you will benefit with that apart from that we are going to have a three-day seminar in our centre in Filthway from Friday, Saturday and Sunday, because these are really beautiful days and I hope ah you all will make it convenient to come there to go further with it and will try to solve your problems and also if you have any questions or impersonal problems hold…. now if you have any questions, you can ask me for about 10 minutes and then we can have this thing if you have really something sensible otherwise no use wasting time. Like I read in one book this is this then mother what do you say about that, if you say that sort of a question is not going to be of any use, by reading you cannot get to God. No questions Sahajyogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji:- Very true, it is true, it happens like that, it happens, you know what happens that the fontanel bone here becomes dissolved and it is it becomes thin down and actually sometimes you say, see a dimple and there was one man who was bald you see you could see the whole thorough in his head developing suddenly, it’s true that’s what should happen. I am very happy you know about it. Where is it written? where did you learn this? Where did you learn this? Yogi said something Wow!! that’s it, that’s it, that’s why God has said you have to become like children if you have to enter into the kingdom of, absolutely that’s what happen, you see there are so many things happens but if I start telling you the time and whole thing is because you are all anxious to have the experience so I was just thinking skipping it out, so should we ? The, in the hand you might already feel a cool breeze coming in. Those who are feeling already please raise your hand, even Sahajyogies can raise, very good, its good. Now the new people who are feeling please raise your hand. The new one who come for the first time are feeling it please raise your hand, it’s great. Those who are feeling can come here and sit down this side, this side in the front because we would like to pay attention to you in a different way and the others in different way, please come here, please. Immediately as soon as you get your cool breeze in the hands, you will see you can be effective with others you can work it out immediately you don’t have to do anything else see now just look at that, Oh God! didn’t I say that the saints are born in this country please sit down, did you feel? Yes please In Sanskrit language, Shakti means power, inner energy is called as Shakti but as you say atomic energy, electrical energy, it can be any energy like that the kundalini shakti means the power of kundalini alright. Shakti means the power any energy is Shakti but shakti in this case when we say it is the power of God, we call her also shakti, Adi shakti means the primordial power, the primordial power, the one which is the integrated form which is the complete form which is the beginning which is the power of the God almighty, is Adi, Adi means the primordial. That’s why it is the same word Shakti means energy is a common word which means shakti, Shakti means ordinary word energy but which energy is this one, the Kundalini energy. Now the Kundalini energy also is stationed within you , this kundalini energy is the reflection of the Adi Kundalini is the primordial kundalini that was created, I have had no time to tell you about the creation because, you know it’s a big subject I have spoken it last time about it, but may be next month ,will have another lecture about creation in which I will tell you all about it, how the different energies are, how they work out, how they are manifested within us, how they create our different minds, how do have all these things. I will be taking you to those portions and areas also. I am here to tell you each and everything, not a single secret, nothing everything will be note. There’s no secret for a mother from her children. Now those who are not getting any vibrations please come forward, please come forward, so we’ll fill the gap also , those who are getting like this please close your eyes because this is a great experience you just close your eyes and watch your thoughts. How are you Pricia ? better now, it’s good yes please sit down, those who are not getting vibrations please sit. One,one, this thing, this rule is there, is it alright. How are you, Gordon? good, becoming a very rich man, its good, sit down, why these ladies are behind there please come forward. You are from the press or something, no I thought you are from the press because press people are not supposed to take part into anything whatsoever. Without getting realization how are they going to report you just tell me, please put your hands towards me just close your eyes and I will come down myself please close your eyes, there’s nothing to be afraid of, first thing I must tell you , kundalini is your mother and all the nonsense they have described about kundalini forget it , it’s not like that , it’s the most loving mother you have had and she is the only mother you have had and you are the only child she has, and she is always follows you with you, all the time she is with you whether you are dead or living. She is always with you every moment she is watching you looking after you and waiting for a moment when she can give you realization so how can she be unkind to you she cannot be she is the kindest thing that you have. But only getting the breeze is not the end of it. You must know what it is? How work it out, how to do it so please keep your hands towards me just like this. The most remarkable thing I have found out that even my photograph has got the vibrations and even this mic you see carries the vibrations, actually somebody saw them, some realized souls saw them passing into a singer I mean he was near the mike, what an advantage it is. Now, the most of you have got a problem on the chakra that is of Christ. Can you imagine? Now is it got caught first of all that you have to forgive. As Christians, if you believe in Christ forgiveness is his weapon and is the weapon he has given you. You must say, I forgive all the people because after all it’s a myth if you forgive means what do you do nothing. You just say Oh Lord, I forgive all of them so that he forgives us, forgiveness is very important, its only sickness to remember that somebody has harmed us or troubled us just say forgive us and we forgive all the rest of them, it’s so important. Actually our Lord’s prayer is a mantra of this chakra you have to say that prayer even in India whether he is a Muslim or a Hindu or a Christian he has to say that prayer if he has to excite Christ. But the Christians have to say some mantras for Krishna who resides here. You cannot discard him either. Because he himself has said, “those who are not against me are with me” , who are these? who have not interpreted him properly, how can it be, he would say that I am the person having all the assets he said I am the path, I am the door but he didn’t say I am the destination. Why should you discriminate why do you say I am everything. Because he knew that he had to resurrect you he had to give you a passage for rebirth and what he said he meant he knew it because he was truth. Now those who are feeling cool in the hands can also feel cool coming from their heads see for yourself if it is not then wait for a while, if it is hot coming after some time cool will start coming, feel here on the fontanel bone just feel your hand, head. If the cool is coming in the hand than, otherwise no. It is he who looked after each and everything and it is he who has created you and he who has [unclear] because I want you to find that [unclear] The time has come…. the time has come. You will find it. The time has come. But in your freedom. Don’t develop such a big balloon in your head, it is difficult sometimes. [unclear] And the divine plays tricks, with such people, lots of tricks and [unclear] such people do not get [unclear ] you cannot ask God to get [unclear] in your own mode [unclear] Now better enter into the kingdom of God [ unclear ] but you cannot just command that we know that this is not the kingdom of God, that is not the kingdom of God and this is not his kingdom humble down. Have you found truth so far? So that if somebody says so [Unclear] that I want to meet God, I don’t want that [unclear] as if they have voted for him and elected him. You want to meet God, who are you? Just think like that. How do you demand. What have you done? Do you deserve it? Why should God meet you? First of all yourself must be clear, in that [unclear] you can seek God. What I want is not the point because you have seen [unclear] It’s all right for political [ unclear] but for God your opinion does not matter, it’s the opinion of God that matters and not your opinion about him. It is his will, It is his opinion, it is his compassion, it is understanding about you and that is why, everywhere weather in religion, or in politics or anywhere, you are no where near him, no where. You go to a church, forget it. You go to a temple another headache. Indian temple [unclear] but nobody is interested in God or anything as if they have gone to [unclear] this kind of attitude is very dangerous [unclear] as you could never go to the Sun or the Moon, you could never think of the Moon. You could never think what was on the Sun. Now you know what is happening on the Sun, now you can reach the Moon, you can land there. This has happened in the last fifty years. Fifty years back nobody could even think of going to Moon. And self realization has to come and now a mass knowledge. But it is not,[unclear] it is not sellable,it has its own dignity and its own protocol. A person who is proud of his rationality or of his intellect or of his wealth, let him stay there. He cannot get [unclear] The one who is proud of his father,the one who is proud of his God and the one knows that he looks after us every moment, every time is there. My grandmother used to tell me a story that [unclear] so one day he found a man, of course it’s a story, going to meet God, so he asked; you are going to meet God, will you give him a message, yes, what can I do? he was lying on another side of road, he said, when you see God, please tell God,to arrange for my food. He said, what [unclear] Then he went further on and he saw a man standing on his head, stomach inside all, bones showing off as if going to collapse [unclear] by listening to me but getting realization, that’s why you must have realization because then you start feeling the vibrations, you start feeling the centres. You start practicing them and settle down with truth and then you forget, you are a westner, eastner,you forget you are rational ,irrational, nothing you become of God. Because you start enjoying the power and the power doesn’t mean oppression, it means love. [unclear] It means love of God. But a person has to get idea of religion, [unclear] and sorroundings. Its all maya, the illusion. Reality is only God almighty, rest is all illusion its dynamic, then you start enjoying the beauty of his grace. And you start singing and you are amazed of your thought that you were [unclear]

1978-03-20 We Are All Seeking London Source So, the Swadishthan chakra which is placed second now is the one which has got six petals and this is the one that controls the, pelvic plexus- the aortic plexus within us. That also has got six sub-plexuses. Now we have to know that these are subtle centres placed in our spinal cord and the gross centres are outside. Now this is something one must understand, if you have to understand about kundalini, that these centres are placed outside of gross plexuses, which doctors know. But they are actually subtle centres inside the spinal cord. Beyond that is another centre which you can see, that’s called as Manipura chakra – I told you the centre of the navel chakra- which has got ten petals, as I have told you, that there have been ten gurus also. And around that is the Void, is the gap. And this gap has to be filled. Now what happens when you place your hands towards me? Like this, if you could, it would be nice. All of you should place your hands, so it works out simultaneously, see this power, this Divine power which is an integrated power which is all powers put together, starts flowing into your being through your fingers. These fingers, five fingers, this portion and this portion as you will see from the chart we have given you, are responsible for sucking that Divinity within yourself. It works like an entity, it goes inside and first, it fills your stomach by which an invitation is sent to this Kundalini. She is aware and she understands that she is facing the right person. And when the invitation comes, she starts rising. She starts rising upwards breaking through all these centres. Already some of you must be feeling cool breeze in the hand already. Those who are not feeling also should keep their hands, just like this, very simple method is the simplest of all. Now you know that these are all sympathetic points. These are two sympathetic nervous system left and right. It starts working through you, passes into your hand, goes into your stomach and invites the Kundalini. The Kundalini, first of all, looks after your physical being. Supposing you are sick, even cancer. Then the Kundalini, it rises first to give you physical comfort. It goes to the point where the person has the problem. Supposing you have stomach trouble liver trouble. You can see at the back of that person, at that point, it is pulsating. You can also see that, in the hand, this finger, this thumb is burning. And if you ask the person, “Are you suffering from Hepatitis?”[unclear] He will say, “How do you know?” That’s why it is a science. It is a science because whatever you see is there, happens, and you can maneuver this power once you are realized. So, it sees to your physical being. I have said it off and on and again today I want to repeat it one thing that cancer is a disease which can only be cured through Self-realization. There’s no other way. Because overactivity of the sympathetic nervous system, on both the sides, creates a situation where a person becomes malignant, means his cells start working on their own, they lose their contact with the whole. To give it a balance and harmony, there is a system within us known as parasympathetic, in the centre, which also is connected to all our Deities and these are the organizers, the Deities, which always give us a balance. For example, if you are walking fast your heart will start beating fast for the emergency but gradually it comes back and that is brought back by the parasympathetic because of the parasympathetic activity in you, you are what you are otherwise there would have been really cancer set in with, every one of us because you are quite extremists that is the one which gives us balance and that’s why when Kundalini rises she tries to give you cures how, Christ cured people she said that something passed through my being what happened actually that when you see a sick person next to you suddenly you feel something passing from you and going into him, that is the power that power which cures first, second then it comes to a point where your mental side is in the four say chakra you can see the Heart centre, Heart centre is the centre where God has given us a sense of security, sense of security and a desire to exist, desire to exist when this centre is in difficulty you want to commit suicide. We have so many problems with this centre for example women suffering from breast cancer wanted to due to this they have sort of a insecurity in their mind in their subconscious may be and that’s why they suffer from it , when the Kundalini knows that, she rises in to that realm and helps there and person feels absolutely secure. Then it rises higher up to this point , this is a very important point for human being because through these we have a achieved our humanness and also our freedom to an human beings because our necks are up like that, this is a very very very important point, the most important I would say because there are sixteen sub plexuses the maximum and here we have become human beings by this……centre we have got the conscience. We have got the conscience, for an animal there is nothing like sin, human beings have the sense of sin, if a tiger has to eat a cow it eats, it doesn’t have to bother and think and worry about it. The conscience is built in here at the back. That’s why this is the most important thing from human point of view and this centre is given to us by God, by which we have discrimination power, we can discriminate. If this centre is correct then your hands are very sensitive and you can easily feel the divinity. But we go on compromising with our conscience. We start killing it gradually, managing somehow or the other. Bringing ourselves to the norms of the society, norms of our understanding, norms of our greed and lust. Such a conscience of course, reduces the sensitivity, the conscience is placed in this centre which is excited by the rising of the Kundalini. Your conscience becomes very active to such an extent, to such an extent that if you see a person who is possessed sitting next to you immediately you start getting heat from that person you get up and go to another place, you just feel the heat. If you start think, start thinking according to your own style of thinking and planning about doing something funny or dirty or something which is evil your vibrations will stop. You won’t get vibrations. Your hands will start shaking and you will get heat, tremendous heat in the body. The conscience become aware, becomes aware of itself, it establishes itself and it expresses itself, since realization is this,[unclear] be your subtle being becomes aware of itself and establishes solves and glorifies into it. Such a person enjoys his virtues, it doesn’t cry Oh! I am so honest that’s why I am suffering, No it says, if I am honest what a nice thing to have it, if I am kind if I am simple, Oh! what a nice thing if I am innocent, how beautiful it is to be innocent, there are so many people you will find, I am too innocent people have cheated me. Oh! you enjoy! Oh, people have cheated me, very good I have not cheated them. Thank God! That sort of a temperament you develop. In self-realization your subtle being which is the holy being within you is established and glorified, is not only somebody coming and putting the hand on your head or I say baptized finished or it’s not also a Braham coming and putting you thread and say no you are re born it’s not that. The proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. It’s not giving a lecture or a sermon or some sort of a big show or a sometimes a circus. It is something that happens to you and you are the judge of yourself and you know it yourself. Nobody else has to say that about you, you have to certify yourself, you have to enjoy yourself too. Like one poet in India said that with Sahaj Yoga Sun would itself has started smelling its own fragrance like, the flower has started smelling its own fragrance or a beautiful scene has started feeling its own beauty. This is what happens after Sahaj yoga and after the realization if it does not happen it’s not a realization because you are that, you are beauty, you are fragrance. You are glory and you have that joy you are, nobody has told you a lie so far. And if you have denied that…. you are going to get it; you will have to have it, to know that it is so. The…. this mark that I have, just behind that is the centre of the optic chiasma where the pituitary and penal bodies are placed this is very subtle centre which doctors don’t know is known as the Agnya Chakra. This centre is a very great thing for so called Christians, I would say because that is the centre of Christ and that is the point where you have promised your resurrection your rebirth .His message is not his crucifixion but his resurrection, the way he showing him lanky panky type and the most miserable how could he be, He was joy and He gave us through his own resurrection he has open that door which is described I am the door for you to enter into the Kingdom of God! But only by calling Christ- Christ is not going to work out, the Kundalini has to rise which He says I will appear before you like tons of flames, I would like all these priests put together to explain that to me. What does that mean how much do they understand about Bible which they carry with them and some of these Jews they make a small little mini picture of that and put it here. Is this the way do you think by carrying bible on your heads, are you going to go there. There must be something that God has placed within you and that is what it is your own resurrection the right of your own resurrection of your rebirth and that is this centre which is very important. This is the blood of Christ and that has promised that resurrection, to enter into the Kingdom of God that is on top here which we call as a limbic area in the medical terminology but as you call it, Sahastrara in the Sanskrit language is that there are one thousand petals there. If you cut the brain in a transverse process you can see that it looks like petal it is like that but when you see actually the Sahastrara of an enlightened one it is like a Lotus with thousand, thousand I have not counted thousand petals which go on like this leaving petal with many colors all the vibgyor colors are there all of them are there. Many have seen, many Sahajyogies have seen that happening to them while getting realization. It’s not necessary to see anything the smoothest you are you don’t see anything. The best you are you have the happiest landing and the smoothest one, the easiest people, the simplest people get it just like that without getting any sight or any light or anything just there. They just land there but it is something like landing on the Moon, how many believed those who do not understand science, my own grandmother could not believe it and she said, we are all just telling lies and even when you showed her the pictures she said, Oh, this could be done on earth only, can create a cinema like that. If you can land on the Sun why not in the Kingdom of God but somebody has to trigger it and surprisingly even the spacecraft is built on the same way perhaps the unconscious has given them to safe tied like a telescopic, like a telescope this Kundlaini rises, from one to another to another to another like that, in the same way you have seen there in the spacecraft there are these what you call them placed ah different ah vestibules one into another and the first one explodes throwing one with an accelerated speed the second one explodes throwing with the accelerated speed then the third one like that and then it goes in to the space. In the same way, the Kundalini acts but this also knowledge has come to us from our unconscious from nowhere else even a person like Einstein who was a realized soul no doubt, he says, that “I was worried about my science and everything I couldn’t do anything about this ah relativity and the whole theories dawned upon me when I was just playing with some bubbles resting in my garden and the whole things was dawned upon me from some unknown area”. This unknown area is the area of Kingdom of God the unconscious when it pierces this top that’s the Baptism which John the Baptist, was talking about. He was the only realized soul at that time. Today there are many more, many more are born, there are so many realized souls who are born even in your country up to 5 years of age you will find many children born, may be your children might be like that you don’t know they are born realized, and there are many people I have met who are born realized maybe some of them have come might have come here whom I recognized and now they recognized me, and they knew they had these powers in them, they were curing people and they were helping people but they didn’t know what it was all about, they didn’t know everything and now they have become masters of it. You have to be the masters of this Kundalini that’s why you have been evolved, you have been moving to human beings and you are to be enthroned but before doing that you have to use your freedom, you have to be free people to choose the good, the righteous, the great, the divine. But while choosing we went to the other side of it absolutely. The brain had to be developed. Your superego was developed, ego had to be developed to a point, so we started from here instead of coming here in rising we just went this side. We are thinking we are planning, even they are planning about God, they trying to plan God and organize him and they are planning even the religion part of it when you see their planning capacity you are surprised and their ego that they can conceive God in their mind. This centre the top most here, the kingdom of God when it opens out the light comes into your heart and you become one with the divine, then from your hand cold breeze start flowing may be some people might get hot breeze, might be in the beginning may be they are not well, there is ///20;07/// some sort of a problem, may be, doesn’t matter they will get cool breeze, a cool breeze starts flowing when it breaks, you become absolutely thoughtlessly aware, to begin with when you enter into it only you become thoughtlessly aware. You become blind ........if you close your eyes, you can see there is no thought coming in the mind you are just listening to me that’s all, nothing beyond. Nothing from the subconscious, neither to the supraconscious. You do not think of the future or the past but you are blank and when it breaks you find a cool breeze coming in now what is this? This is the manifestation of your Spirit, yourself; which is coming through, which is expressing itself. this is called as Chaitanya Lahari in the Sanskrit language but in the Bible, it is described in various means. When you put your hand towards a person you can feel that person too. If he is not realized you do not get any vibrations, if he is realized you get some vibrations, if he is sick you understand what is the problem, where is the problem even people who are away you can know about them because you jump into the collective consciousness. Sitting down here you can cure people, sitting down here you can give awakening but realization has to be somehow I don’t know, I can’t help it has to be in my presence or through my photograph. There is certain compulsions they had to put because you people never recognized them, none of them. They are all there within us all of them are within us ready to help you to get what you have been asking for. God has not created you to be absolutely frustrated. Know for its fulfilment, believe me it is so, the time has come, the blossom time has come. The great times have come. This is the time has been promised in all the ancient Scriptures, this is the time it has to work and it is going to work out thousands of people are getting it and why shouldn’t you get it. England is a very big place as I have told you, English people are very great too but takes time, I find they are little difficult sometimes in the beginning but once they get it, they really scholarly the way they sort it out, they are not shifty people, and I have great hopes luckily my husband was elected and he got an appointment here and I could come to London and now I’ll be with you for four years to count, now I am staying in London itself so I’ll be available for you. They have all arrangements made they are made they are going to take ah room here where I will meet you every Monday and I would like to solve your problems and to see that your realization is maintained and that you achieve the calm and the peace and the complete oneness with the divine. I would work very hard I could do anything for you but only thing is that you have to also cooperate little bit, of course there’s no question of paying any money, whatsoever, you cannot pay for my love, can you? Sometimes I am surprised, you cannot think of anything where there is no money required. You cannot pay but think what can you give me. Nothing just allow me to love you that’s all, if it is possible we work it out, as I have told you it is not a thing that can be solved by rationality it has to be triggered and have to be worked out and we all should endeavor to get it through that working not through rationality which is a limited thing and if you have to rise to the unlimited realm you cannot do through this limited means that you have. It is much beyond that and that is the place where your heart, your awareness and your brain and your liver everything integrate and you become one integrated personality. All the religions all the great religions are within you so no religion is to be condemned they have their own places all the saints,all the prophets, all the incarnations have their own places in your being and you cannot deny it so please remember that Sahaj yoga is secularism, it is capitalism because it gives you the power and it is communism because you cannot help it but give it you have to distribute it. Is a combination of everything, May God bless you all I hope we’ll have the session now and I hope many of you will benefit with that apart from that we are going to have a three-day seminar in our centre in Filthway from Friday, Saturday and Sunday, because these are really beautiful days and I hope ah you all will make it convenient to come there to go further with it and will try to solve your problems and also if you have any questions or impersonal problems hold…. now if you have any questions, you can ask me for about 10 minutes and then we can have this thing if you have really something sensible otherwise no use wasting time. Like I read in one book this is this then mother what do you say about that, if you say that sort of a question is not going to be of any use, by reading you cannot get to God. No questions Sahajyogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji:- Very true, it is true, it happens like that, it happens, you know what happens that the fontanel bone here becomes dissolved and it is it becomes thin down and actually sometimes you say, see a dimple and there was one man who was bald you see you could see the whole thorough in his head developing suddenly, it’s true that’s what should happen. I am very happy you know about it. Where is it written? where did you learn this? Where did you learn this? Yogi said something Wow!! that’s it, that’s it, that’s why God has said you have to become like children if you have to enter into the kingdom of, absolutely that’s what happen, you see there are so many things happens but if I start telling you the time and whole thing is because you are all anxious to have the experience so I was just thinking skipping it out, so should we ? The, in the hand you might already feel a cool breeze coming in. Those who are feeling already please raise your hand, even Sahajyogies can raise, very good, its good. Now the new people who are feeling please raise your hand. The new one who come for the first time are feeling it please raise your hand, it’s great. Those who are feeling can come here and sit down this side, this side in the front because we would like to pay attention to you in a different way and the others in different way, please come here, please. Immediately as soon as you get your cool breeze in the hands, you will see you can be effective with others you can work it out immediately you don’t have to do anything else see now just look at that, Oh God! didn’t I say that the saints are born in this country please sit down, did you feel? Yes please In Sanskrit language, Shakti means power, inner energy is called as Shakti but as you say atomic energy, electrical energy, it can be any energy like that the kundalini shakti means the power of kundalini alright. Shakti means the power any energy is Shakti but shakti in this case when we say it is the power of God, we call her also shakti, Adi shakti means the primordial power, the primordial power, the one which is the integrated form which is the complete form which is the beginning which is the power of the God almighty, is Adi, Adi means the primordial. That’s why it is the same word Shakti means energy is a common word which means shakti, Shakti means ordinary word energy but which energy is this one, the Kundalini energy. Now the Kundalini energy also is stationed within you , this kundalini energy is the reflection of the Adi Kundalini is the primordial kundalini that was created, I have had no time to tell you about the creation because, you know it’s a big subject I have spoken it last time about it, but may be next month ,will have another lecture about creation in which I will tell you all about it, how the different energies are, how they work out, how they are manifested within us, how they create our different minds, how do have all these things. I will be taking you to those portions and areas also. I am here to tell you each and everything, not a single secret, nothing everything will be note. There’s no secret for a mother from her children. Now those who are not getting any vibrations please come forward, please come forward, so we’ll fill the gap also , those who are getting like this please close your eyes because this is a great experience you just close your eyes and watch your thoughts. How are you Pricia ? better now, it’s good yes please sit down, those who are not getting vibrations please sit. One,one, this thing, this rule is there, is it alright. How are you, Gordon? good, becoming a very rich man, its good, sit down, why these ladies are behind there please come forward. You are from the press or something, no I thought you are from the press because press people are not supposed to take part into anything whatsoever. Without getting realization how are they going to report you just tell me, please put your hands towards me just close your eyes and I will come down myself please close your eyes, there’s nothing to be afraid of, first thing I must tell you , kundalini is your mother and all the nonsense they have described about kundalini forget it , it’s not like that , it’s the most loving mother you have had and she is the only mother you have had and you are the only child she has, and she is always follows you with you, all the time she is with you whether you are dead or living. She is always with you every moment she is watching you looking after you and waiting for a moment when she can give you realization so how can she be unkind to you she cannot be she is the kindest thing that you have. But only getting the breeze is not the end of it. You must know what it is? How work it out, how to do it so please keep your hands towards me just like this. The most remarkable thing I have found out that even my photograph has got the vibrations and even this mic you see carries the vibrations, actually somebody saw them, some realized souls saw them passing into a singer I mean he was near the mike, what an advantage it is. Now, the most of you have got a problem on the chakra that is of Christ. Can you imagine? Now is it got caught first of all that you have to forgive. As Christians, if you believe in Christ forgiveness is his weapon and is the weapon he has given you. You must say, I forgive all the people because after all it’s a myth if you forgive means what do you do nothing. You just say Oh Lord, I forgive all of them so that he forgives us, forgiveness is very important, its only sickness to remember that somebody has harmed us or troubled us just say forgive us and we forgive all the rest of them, it’s so important. Actually our Lord’s prayer is a mantra of this chakra you have to say that prayer even in India whether he is a Muslim or a Hindu or a Christian he has to say that prayer if he has to excite Christ. But the Christians have to say some mantras for Krishna who resides here. You cannot discard him either. Because he himself has said, “those who are not against me are with me” , who are these? who have not interpreted him properly, how can it be, he would say that I am the person having all the assets he said I am the path, I am the door but he didn’t say I am the destination. Why should you discriminate why do you say I am everything. Because he knew that he had to resurrect you he had to give you a passage for rebirth and what he said he meant he knew it because he was truth. Now those who are feeling cool in the hands can also feel cool coming from their heads see for yourself if it is not then wait for a while, if it is hot coming after some time cool will start coming, feel here on the fontanel bone just feel your hand, head. If the cool is coming in the hand than, otherwise no. It is he who looked after each and everything and it is he who has created you and he who has [unclear] because I want you to find that [unclear] The time has come…. the time has come. You will find it. The time has come. But in your freedom. Don’t develop such a big balloon in your head, it is difficult sometimes. [unclear] And the divine plays tricks, with such people, lots of tricks and [unclear] such people do not get [unclear ] you cannot ask God to get [unclear] in your own mode [unclear] Now better enter into the kingdom of God [ unclear ] but you cannot just command that we know that this is not the kingdom of God, that is not the kingdom of God and this is not his kingdom humble down. Have you found truth so far? So that if somebody says so [Unclear] that I want to meet God, I don’t want that [unclear] as if they have voted for him and elected him. You want to meet God, who are you? Just think like that. How do you demand. What have you done? Do you deserve it? Why should God meet you? First of all yourself must be clear, in that [unclear] you can seek God. What I want is not the point because you have seen [unclear] It’s all right for political [ unclear] but for God your opinion does not matter, it’s the opinion of God that matters and not your opinion about him. It is his will, It is his opinion, it is his compassion, it is understanding about you and that is why, everywhere weather in religion, or in politics or anywhere, you are no where near him, no where. You go to a church, forget it. You go to a temple another headache. Indian temple [unclear] but nobody is interested in God or anything as if they have gone to [unclear] this kind of attitude is very dangerous [unclear] as you could never go to the Sun or the Moon, you could never think of the Moon. You could never think what was on the Sun. Now you know what is happening on the Sun, now you can reach the Moon, you can land there. This has happened in the last fifty years. Fifty years back nobody could even think of going to Moon. And self realization has to come and now a mass knowledge. But it is not,[unclear] it is not sellable,it has its own dignity and its own protocol. A person who is proud of his rationality or of his intellect or of his wealth, let him stay there. He cannot get [unclear] The one who is proud of his father,the one who is proud of his God and the one knows that he looks after us every moment, every time is there. My grandmother used to tell me a story that [unclear] so one day he found a man, of course it’s a story, going to meet God, so he asked; you are going to meet God, will you give him a message, yes, what can I do? he was lying on another side of road, he said, when you see God, please tell God,to arrange for my food. He said, what [unclear] Then he went further on and he saw a man standing on his head, stomach inside all, bones showing off as if going to collapse [unclear] by listening to me but getting realization, that’s why you must have realization because then you start feeling the vibrations, you start feeling the centres. You start practicing them and settle down with truth and then you forget, you are a westner, eastner,you forget you are rational ,irrational, nothing you become of God. Because you start enjoying the power and the power doesn’t mean oppression, it means love. [unclear] It means love of God. But a person has to get idea of religion, [unclear] and sorroundings. Its all maya, the illusion. Reality is only God almighty, rest is all illusion its dynamic, then you start enjoying the beauty of his grace. And you start singing and you are amazed of your thought that you were [unclear]

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First Public Program in London, England 20-03-1970 [partialy transcribed] …this you must know that I will not tell whatever is not the truth, because I am not here for any political gain, of a commercial gain. No sir, I am here for your own gain, about genuineness. If you want to gain be genuine about that. Now see for yourself if this is the case or not. You can see with your naked eyes - these people have seen - the Kundalini pulsating. You can see it. It pulsates. When people touch my feet, in many cases, it pulsates. They have seen it. They are not all liars! And why should they lie? Nothing to gain: no money, first of all, that’s cut out. So what is the other thing? This Kundalini rises, and you can see it’s rising, passes through all these chakras, and it stops at a place where you have a problem. The other day we had a very big man from somewhere who came to see me, and his Kundalini came up, and was just pulsating here like that. And the whole of this part was pulsating like that. I mean only that part. So the people asked him, “Are you all right?” He said, “Yes, I’m all right.” “But do you have a liver problem?” “Yes, I have. How do you know?” You can see it. Kundalini itself is suggesting. It’s pulsating. So you have to correct the liver, you have to correct the whole being. You have so many problems: physical, mental and emotional. But whatever may be the problem I have sorted them out: all permutations and combinations I have worked out now so that there is no permutation that now I can say is not worked out, except for one: that is the worst of all, is misidentification. If you carry on with misidentifications this cannot help you. You must know that you must identify with yourself and with nothing else; then only it works out. That is the only thing, is the misidentification with any untruth. Ask for the truth, and truth will be given to you. But ask for the truth. Not the ‘truth’ that you have made as truth. Truth is as it is: you cannot make the truth, you cannot give it a form. You cannot say, “This is the truth,” no! It is what is. You have to see it, you have be that, you have to appreciate it, you have to become that. Stupid people, how do they pass remarks at Christ? Even a person like Christ! Everybody has become so ego-oriented, I mean they think they have a right to criticise everyone. Christ is a person about whom you cannot think. For Sahaj Yogis I cannot challenge this one. They are realised-souls, [so] when they start thinking about Christ they become thoughtless. He is beyond thinking: how can you rationalise Him and bring Him to this level, and put Him to this level that you become a critic in the BBC, asking questions, “So how did You have Your resurrection?” How can you understand any of it? What do you know about Brahma? What do you know about the Divine working? What do you understand of His style of doing things? This little human mind can only become a drop in the ocean. It cannot understand the ocean and its work. This is the thing we have to realise. And once we realise that we are a part of this ocean, we become the ocean ourselves. But this is not lecturing — again I am telling you — it is a happening; you start feeling others immediately. When you are a drop outside the ocean, you do not feel what other drops are there in the ocean but once you jump into the ocean you start feeling everyone in your hands — absolutely, rationally, which can be understood — in the fingers, all the chakras flowing. Now this knowledge about Kundalini was not known even to the greatest sages, even to people like Narada it was not known. It was not needed at that time. The time had not come. You know when, say for example, electricity is not created, what’s the use of telling them about the switches? They were realised-souls, all right, they had vibrations, all right, but they did not know that, which is the chakras, and they catch, and these are the things that are missing, and this. They did not know. But I know. Some of them are really jealous of the modern people. They think, “What have these modern people done that they should get all this knowledge?” That they waited, is the main point. These people tried to show off so much: all right, go ahead! They are fixed up as some officers, somewhere in charge of this, and officers in charge. But they are not going to be the inheritance. For example all these people like Indra and the gods who are in charge of the weather, or all that, are settled down very nicely on the right side of God to arrange these things for you, like the caretaker of this place, but you are the people who are enjoying the fruits of it. What can we do? You waited, you’ve got it, and if you get it, that’s in your right. But this I do not, to pamper your ego, again please know that. Because, you have to get it, you have to settle. And the Self-knowledge is the thing where you are just in the centre, where neither you are in the ego nor in the superego, you are in the centre. And the space is created on your forehead, in the Sahasrara, if you see, when the Kundalini rises, the gap between this, the green gap, fills up through the Kundalini rising. She goes up, and opens this Sahasrara, which we call as baptism. And there on the top, you enter into that subtle awareness of collective consciousness. But as soon as your Kundalini crosses this chakra of Agnya, immediately you will become thoughtlessly aware: means you will be aware but there won’t be any thought, which is described by Jung. And what he has talked of collective consciousness, from where he gets the ideas of things that is the portion you reach — means it becomes your own nature. It is an actualisation, it is not talk. It is an actualisation. Your body becomes that. Like [from] a human being you become a superhuman being. From an animal to a human being there is definitely a difference in awareness. In the same way, there is a difference in the awareness of a man and a superman, but the only exception is that in your own consciousness you see it happening. It’s only the human beings who can see their evolution and not the animals, because you have been given freedom to see that. But the way the freedom has been used, you can write volumes on that; so better not go into that place! Let us forget about it. If we can do without going through the mistakes, if you can manage it, better do it! But if the mistakes are there we’ll face them all. I’m with you throughout, absolutely with you, and it should work out. Now if we say that, “This is wrong, we should not do this,” don’t get angry with me. For example the other day I told somebody that, “Drinks and alcohol goes against Sahaj.” He got very angry with it. I said, “Do you own a shop? Why are you angry with me?” I mean, it’s a simple thing I am telling you! Should I tell you, “You go and get drunk!” Should I tell you? Is it a good thing? “You can do anything with your sex,” should I tell you? Now you tell me one thing: in this whole world where you have all kinds of moralities so-called, where is a man crowned for drinking? In the whole world, tell me, any man crowned for drinking, getting drunk, or a statue erected in his name? Have you seen anyone? Have you seen any man being garlanded for being licentious and permissive? That means collectively human beings never accepted this kind of a nonsense, so far. I mean I don’t know, collectively [if] everybody becomes a satan then God alone knows! But even in the Roman Empire, when it was the worst of all at that time, it was not. So collectively human beings have always accepted holiness, righteousness, as a great thing. And even since today those people who lived in ordinary houses and huts are respected. And huge, big properties are made in their name, because that name itself gives them that power. But they are misusing it, they are insulting them, they are actually hurting the souls of all these great beings, such endless good. But what to do? Human beings do it for their selfish ends, they do it out of ignorance. If they do it out of ignorance it will be forgiven, everything will be forgiven, take it from me ,and you will be amazed how it works out. Now I would say, if you have any questions you better ask me, because I think still I have not been able to answer all your questions, despite I know what is in your mind. So if any one of you has any questions, please ask me before we start the programme. But not too much of it, because some are just there and if we ask funny, foolish, stupid questions, we are going to divert their attention. We have not achieved it, we are not there, we are still nervous, we are nowhere, so please don’t disturb others; that is important. If you are doing it only for me to explain everything, you do it. Otherwise you are just try to show off. The other day somebody said, “In this book, this is written.” Now, am I going to answer for all the books that are written? No! Actually, I am not even a graduate. How much did Christ study? This is another knowledge I am talking about, so don’t waste your energy and my energy and everybody’s energy. And if you have come here to show off, I would request you go away, because this is not to show off but to show in. So, that way, do not try to play with yourself. Again and again I request. You have wasted a lot of your lives, and the time has come. And Gregoire says you are not the saints, but you all are saints, otherwise you would not be there, you’d be sitting in some discotheque; or if not there in some racecourse, somewhere there. But when you are here, you are saints. These are the saints who have the right to get it. But you have to be a saint: means you have to have seeking of the real type. If you are real and genuine it will happen and work out. I would like you to ask me questions if there is any explanation needed or anything which you… (End of recording)

First Public Program in London, England 20-03-1970 [partialy transcribed] …this you must know that I will not tell whatever is not the truth, because I am not here for any political gain, of a commercial gain. No sir, I am here for your own gain, about genuineness. If you want to gain be genuine about that. Now see for yourself if this is the case or not. You can see with your naked eyes - these people have seen - the Kundalini pulsating. You can see it. It pulsates. When people touch my feet, in many cases, it pulsates. They have seen it. They are not all liars! And why should they lie? Nothing to gain: no money, first of all, that’s cut out. So what is the other thing? This Kundalini rises, and you can see it’s rising, passes through all these chakras, and it stops at a place where you have a problem. The other day we had a very big man from somewhere who came to see me, and his Kundalini came up, and was just pulsating here like that. And the whole of this part was pulsating like that. I mean only that part. So the people asked him, “Are you all right?” He said, “Yes, I’m all right.” “But do you have a liver problem?” “Yes, I have. How do you know?” You can see it. Kundalini itself is suggesting. It’s pulsating. So you have to correct the liver, you have to correct the whole being. You have so many problems: physical, mental and emotional. But whatever may be the problem I have sorted them out: all permutations and combinations I have worked out now so that there is no permutation that now I can say is not worked out, except for one: that is the worst of all, is misidentification. If you carry on with misidentifications this cannot help you. You must know that you must identify with yourself and with nothing else; then only it works out. That is the only thing, is the misidentification with any untruth. Ask for the truth, and truth will be given to you. But ask for the truth. Not the ‘truth’ that you have made as truth. Truth is as it is: you cannot make the truth, you cannot give it a form. You cannot say, “This is the truth,” no! It is what is. You have to see it, you have be that, you have to appreciate it, you have to become that. Stupid people, how do they pass remarks at Christ? Even a person like Christ! Everybody has become so ego-oriented, I mean they think they have a right to criticise everyone. Christ is a person about whom you cannot think. For Sahaj Yogis I cannot challenge this one. They are realised-souls, [so] when they start thinking about Christ they become thoughtless. He is beyond thinking: how can you rationalise Him and bring Him to this level, and put Him to this level that you become a critic in the BBC, asking questions, “So how did You have Your resurrection?” How can you understand any of it? What do you know about Brahma? What do you know about the Divine working? What do you understand of His style of doing things? This little human mind can only become a drop in the ocean. It cannot understand the ocean and its work. This is the thing we have to realise. And once we realise that we are a part of this ocean, we become the ocean ourselves. But this is not lecturing — again I am telling you — it is a happening; you start feeling others immediately. When you are a drop outside the ocean, you do not feel what other drops are there in the ocean but once you jump into the ocean you start feeling everyone in your hands — absolutely, rationally, which can be understood — in the fingers, all the chakras flowing. Now this knowledge about Kundalini was not known even to the greatest sages, even to people like Narada it was not known. It was not needed at that time. The time had not come. You know when, say for example, electricity is not created, what’s the use of telling them about the switches? They were realised-souls, all right, they had vibrations, all right, but they did not know that, which is the chakras, and they catch, and these are the things that are missing, and this. They did not know. But I know. Some of them are really jealous of the modern people. They think, “What have these modern people done that they should get all this knowledge?” That they waited, is the main point. These people tried to show off so much: all right, go ahead! They are fixed up as some officers, somewhere in charge of this, and officers in charge. But they are not going to be the inheritance. For example all these people like Indra and the gods who are in charge of the weather, or all that, are settled down very nicely on the right side of God to arrange these things for you, like the caretaker of this place, but you are the people who are enjoying the fruits of it. What can we do? You waited, you’ve got it, and if you get it, that’s in your right. But this I do not, to pamper your ego, again please know that. Because, you have to get it, you have to settle. And the Self-knowledge is the thing where you are just in the centre, where neither you are in the ego nor in the superego, you are in the centre. And the space is created on your forehead, in the Sahasrara, if you see, when the Kundalini rises, the gap between this, the green gap, fills up through the Kundalini rising. She goes up, and opens this Sahasrara, which we call as baptism. And there on the top, you enter into that subtle awareness of collective consciousness. But as soon as your Kundalini crosses this chakra of Agnya, immediately you will become thoughtlessly aware: means you will be aware but there won’t be any thought, which is described by Jung. And what he has talked of collective consciousness, from where he gets the ideas of things that is the portion you reach — means it becomes your own nature. It is an actualisation, it is not talk. It is an actualisation. Your body becomes that. Like [from] a human being you become a superhuman being. From an animal to a human being there is definitely a difference in awareness. In the same way, there is a difference in the awareness of a man and a superman, but the only exception is that in your own consciousness you see it happening. It’s only the human beings who can see their evolution and not the animals, because you have been given freedom to see that. But the way the freedom has been used, you can write volumes on that; so better not go into that place! Let us forget about it. If we can do without going through the mistakes, if you can manage it, better do it! But if the mistakes are there we’ll face them all. I’m with you throughout, absolutely with you, and it should work out. Now if we say that, “This is wrong, we should not do this,” don’t get angry with me. For example the other day I told somebody that, “Drinks and alcohol goes against Sahaj.” He got very angry with it. I said, “Do you own a shop? Why are you angry with me?” I mean, it’s a simple thing I am telling you! Should I tell you, “You go and get drunk!” Should I tell you? Is it a good thing? “You can do anything with your sex,” should I tell you? Now you tell me one thing: in this whole world where you have all kinds of moralities so-called, where is a man crowned for drinking? In the whole world, tell me, any man crowned for drinking, getting drunk, or a statue erected in his name? Have you seen anyone? Have you seen any man being garlanded for being licentious and permissive? That means collectively human beings never accepted this kind of a nonsense, so far. I mean I don’t know, collectively [if] everybody becomes a satan then God alone knows! But even in the Roman Empire, when it was the worst of all at that time, it was not. So collectively human beings have always accepted holiness, righteousness, as a great thing. And even since today those people who lived in ordinary houses and huts are respected. And huge, big properties are made in their name, because that name itself gives them that power. But they are misusing it, they are insulting them, they are actually hurting the souls of all these great beings, such endless good. But what to do? Human beings do it for their selfish ends, they do it out of ignorance. If they do it out of ignorance it will be forgiven, everything will be forgiven, take it from me ,and you will be amazed how it works out. Now I would say, if you have any questions you better ask me, because I think still I have not been able to answer all your questions, despite I know what is in your mind. So if any one of you has any questions, please ask me before we start the programme. But not too much of it, because some are just there and if we ask funny, foolish, stupid questions, we are going to divert their attention. We have not achieved it, we are not there, we are still nervous, we are nowhere, so please don’t disturb others; that is important. If you are doing it only for me to explain everything, you do it. Otherwise you are just try to show off. The other day somebody said, “In this book, this is written.” Now, am I going to answer for all the books that are written? No! Actually, I am not even a graduate. How much did Christ study? This is another knowledge I am talking about, so don’t waste your energy and my energy and everybody’s energy. And if you have come here to show off, I would request you go away, because this is not to show off but to show in. So, that way, do not try to play with yourself. Again and again I request. You have wasted a lot of your lives, and the time has come. And Gregoire says you are not the saints, but you all are saints, otherwise you would not be there, you’d be sitting in some discotheque; or if not there in some racecourse, somewhere there. But when you are here, you are saints. These are the saints who have the right to get it. But you have to be a saint: means you have to have seeking of the real type. If you are real and genuine it will happen and work out. I would like you to ask me questions if there is any explanation needed or anything which you… (End of recording)

3/26/1978

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Easter seminar, Finchley Ashram, London (England), Sunday, March 26th, 1978 Today is Easter and all of you celebrate it. It's rather surprising, you see, there are people believing in science and everything, these days they offer you an egg. But they should believe in Christ or they should believe in his Resurrection. It's absolutely unscientific but we accept it without asking "why?" and "how?".You never question Easter. But certain things, when they appear new to us, we start questioning and want to bring it to the science, to the reality of it. But certain things we just accept: his Resurrection. Now, we have for Easter the thing that we give, an egg on an Easter day. Now, why do we do it? If you are that rational, you must think about it: why do we give an egg?We never think about it we just do it because it's a custom of the great grand-mother and the grandmother did it and the mother will do and the child does it. So, we just do it just as an accepted thing. You are not bothered to find out "why?". Why are we to give an egg and not something else? What does it show when there is no mention of an egg in the Bible, as far as I know? But there is a mention in this Devi Bhagavatam about an egg and Christ. And everybody is doing it without understanding what does that mean. How did we get that symbol, from Where? Of course, now it is accepted scientifically that there is some sort of a universal Unconscious which gives us symbols. People accept that. Many have, not all of them, but many accept it. So, we have to say that this symbol has come to us definitely from the Unconscious. But it must have come to many people so that people have accepted this symbol of an egg on an Easter day. The symbol of egg is that the egg is twice born. In Sanskrit language, a bird is called as "dvija". But it's called as a "dvijaya". And the Brahmin are reborn, or twice born, are also called as "dvijaya". DVI-JAYA means the one who is born twice. It's a birth of a Brahmin.So, first, the egg comes just as a living thing. Egg is a living thing, you know that, fully developed outside, not inside. Egg does not develop after it has come out of the mother's womb. It is the same size, but inside something happens, it grows with the want. And a change comes into it. That growth and everything that comes into an egg is built into it. It is his own right. He's made like that. That's the way he is made. But the bird has to come out of it. It is made like that. That is what is "sahaja". That is, you are born with it, "sahaja", you are born with it. An egg is born with it to be a bird. All right? In the same way, Christ was born to be resurrected. See the vibrations I made. His Resurrection gave us the way for our Resurrection too, for our jumping into the Unconscious. He did it for us though He did not do it. He came on this earth, lived like us. He was a human being and He jumped into that, giving us a way, clearing a way for us, showing the path. And He did it with his birth " [inaudible] " as they call it in Sanskrit. His whole body, He lifted because He was divine Power itself. He was made out of the "Om". He was made out of the Brahma itself. He was nothing but vibrations, you see. His body was nothing but vibrations. So whatever was a little bit of the earth element felt down and the rest of it was resurrected in the presence of human beings. His soul is being resurrected. See, it's a Vedic [unsure] meaning but the human being's soul is being resurrected. Because if they had not seen it, they would never have been believed it. He could have resurrected himself in some corner. He could have done that. There was no need for him to appear by. But He did it openly before everybody else to see that He, his body resurrected. In the Devi Mahatmya [Devi Bhagavatam] Christ is described as Mahavishnu. Devi is the Goddess, is the Mother, the Primordial Mother, and in her life story we can say, Mahatmya's story. For Goddess, they never say life-story but they say- [Shri Mataji seems to ask aside]. You see, you cannot say life-story for Christ, He been a divine person. Divine person doesn't have a life, you see, it has no beginning and end. So, what you can say is the importance "mahatm,va" there should be importance. The importance of Devi is described- the Goddess. And in that, they have described that first He was created as an egg in the Vaikuntha, is another dimension. So the egg is the symbol of the Christ who came on this earth and his Resurrection. It's a message for all of us that you all are going to be resurrected. You all are going to jump into that Unconscious, into that All-pervading Power. You all are going to be triggered, that is the message of Easter. Now, how you are made like an egg yourself? Just see. It's very interesting. You yourself, you are made like an egg. The shell develops around you. If you have the diagram of the things that I've given you, have you got anyone of you? Anyone has a chart? If you have a chart you can put it up somewhere here to get shown.In the chart inside- now the human being are made in such a way that they have within them the sympathetic nervous system on both sides and the parasympathetic in the center. The sympathetic we use for our activity. Left and right, both sympathetic, we use for our activity, for our emergency activity especially. And the parasympathetic is the one which balances, nourishes, looks after and coordinates. Now, these sympathetic activities give us ego and superego. The ego goes like this and superego goes like that. Because, actually, the ego comes up like this and the superego like this, you can see like that. And where is the path? From where it starts? These ego and superego, both of them, give us that shell. Then it closes down, here in the head, when the child is a small being. Then the shell is completed, you become a shell. So, you live in your shell, you are identified with your shell, with your ego and superego. That is your conditionings and your ego- ego what is ego is? All of you know what it is like, horrid thing.[Laughter]It becomes only a barrier for a chick. For the chick, it is horrid the shell when it is awakened. Then it gets its life. Otherwise, it's now at least lying [unsure] down there, it's not bothered. When you are awakened inside, then you start seeing also the shell around you and you want to break it. You want to get out of it. You become aware of the sufficient comfort ego.Seeker: Yes.Shri Mataji: You become aware of that shell, that ego, especially in the Western life as it is, you know, its ego yet is pampered all the time, in competition, in this and that. And you become that, you are identified with it because you are just an ordinary egg.But if you are awakened, suddenly you start seeing the shell around you, you want to get out of it, just don't want it. You think, if you get out of it, you'll have your wings and expect your wings and you'll fly in the air, in the space. That feeling comes into you when you separate yourself from the shell. That happens with the Kundalini awakening.When the Kundalini is awakened in you, then you start feeling that, "There is something inside me which is keeping me still down. There's something that's pushing me down still, and how to break the shell?" So, a hole has to be with you, that is a simple thing, it's baptism. The hole that is made in a shell is baptism. So, we see, there are two stages. First, it's the awakening has to take place. First, the awakening has to take place. If there is no awakening, nothing will happen, an egg will remain an egg. It will become dirty or which matters the most it'll become rotten. After some time, it becomes a rock. And it is all wasted. If somebody knows how to give it the warmth of love and proper handling and all that, can mature it properly. But supposing, even while raising the Kundalini, there is some part which is still left, not yet attained, yet not developed, the Kundalini will go there and support it and try to develop it. At least, it will make so much so that when it is broken, it is able to start to withstand the outside. Now, we can also think, "Why we are made into a shell?" We are made into a shell, we are made into an egg because that is the only way you can be protected and can be growing. And the evolutionary second stage of jumping into the Unconscious can be brought in. You develop within yourself, through your seeking and things, a kind of a wisdom and the wisdom is the only way you are judged. I mean, you may be the most brilliant man all around the world, but if you lack wisdom, you are no good.Wisdom is very different from the so-called knowledge. When you mature, the wisdom grows into you. And then, whenever wisdom is sufficient enough, then a little break is needed, that's all. And the bird comes out, developed. But most of the eggs, I found, have been already punctured with some things. Already somebody has punctured something. That's why I'm so angry with other gurus. As I told you before, I don't mind! If they want to make money, let them make money. If they want to have women, let them have women, if they want to smother, let them smother. But they have no business to spoil your Kundalini as they are spoiling your Kundalini. And I am very angry with them. And I have to tell you very frankly that they are satanic people. They are killing the egg in you. The germinating power in you is killed by them. They are giving you something, such a poison, that you cannot get your Resurrection. They are taking away your fundamental right. You do not know what they are doing to you, that's why. You do not understand why I condemn them completely. [Laughter] [Conversation with Yogis; coffee pause] So you have to remember that once the shell breaks, when the egg breaks, part of the shell dies, all right? Part of the shell dies but the chick is left out. The part that is no more needed dies out. So something in us also dies out and has to die out: and that is what is the past and the future. The past and the future dies out and you live in the present. When the past dies out, what dies out? You just think about your past. The essence of what was good in your past is taken up. Only the dead past which was in you which was not giving any substance to the body dies out. So you don't have to bother about your karmas anymore once you are Realized. No resurrection of your karmas. There are some people who'll tell you: "You have to wash your karmas." How can you wash something which is with you? If you separate yourself then you may start washing it. But you cannot wash something that is within you. You have to take it out. And that is what is taken out as a shell. And your wisdom works it out. This is the freedom given to you to choose the medium path of existence by which you put all such things that are not required for this process, the last process, the best process, the highest process of resurrection, on the sides, on all the sides, to be in the center. Not extremes of anything, no. In the nature, we seldom funny such fine eggs. But in the human being, we do find. Sometimes I find that's too much [inaudible] people are coming just like a horn, you know, like a unicorn. [inaudible] Everywhere they start, that's very aggressive. And they are not aware of how aggressive they are. Sometimes, they develop superego by which they say: "We have been afraid, this has happened, that has happened." And you know they're useless people. All kinds of imbalances in a human being are possible. Not so much in the eggs, surprising. Perhaps, because you have the freedom to develop the imbalances. You have the freedom to be crooked. You have the freedom to be complicated. You have the freedom to ruin yourself, spoil yourself and finish off. You can do it, not animals. Human beings can only do it. And this freedom is such a blessing and such a great promise that even God cannot take it out of you. Any other freedom that you seek, any other freedom, when you ask for wisdom, then this can happen to you. If you do not seek and if you do not ask, it's not going to happen. You will only ask when you are wise otherwise you will not. Your mind will be going to materialism, it will be going to some politics, it will be going to something else, to something very unimportant. But with wisdom you feel that you have to be reborn that's the main thing, after all, that's what you want to get it. You have to get to that part. When this wisdom comes to you, it just happens. Then you ask for it and that is why it is said that "you have to ask for it." The wisdom is not going to fall at your feet and say: "Oh, you be wise for heaven sake!" [Laugter] It's not going to request you. It has to mature into you, develop into you and fulfill itself. And then you feel that your wisdom has been blessed. Your wisdom itself gives you that satisfaction. In the Gita, it says: "Apmene lapmenet"[unsure] your Spirit itself gets satisfied of itself. "Apmene lapm ananda"[unsure] means you get satisfied, your Spirit itself gets satisfied in its own manifestation. You get satisfied with yourself. There's one poet who has written a poem on it, it's beautiful, it says that: "With Sahaja Yoga, the [inaudible] start smelling the fragrance of sainthood [unsure]"And this is the message for all of us on an Easter day of resurrection. But we do not bother about resurrection in our everyday life. We want to have the cross on us, we want to carry the cross. Who are you to carry the cross? That's a joke! You don't carry the cross, somebody came for that, to carry the cross for you and who did the job. But you have to believe only in one thing that you can be resurrected also. You don't have to carry any crosses anymore. You don't have to take any responsibility of any such things. The One who has created you, the One who has nourished you, the One who has made you from an amoeba to this stage as a human being, He's going to do it himself. But you have to ask for it. That is a condition because you are free. You understand that point? The freedom of choosing God is in you. And you have to use your freedom. In your freedom, if you have, in your freedom, not out of hypnosis or anything, but in your complete freedom when you ask, you will get it. Is it clear? And that is what is the message for us is of resurrection. Today is a great day, although it has been the greatest day. Because, at the time of Krishna, Yehovah as they call him, Yehovah is the name of Krishna. He said that: "Nainam chindanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavakah, na chainam kledayantyapo na shoshaya ti mārutaḥ. " [From Gita, Chapter: 2 Verse 23, meaning: “It cannot be pierced by weapons, It cannot be burnt by fire.”] He said this cannot be killed. This eternal life cannot be killed by any instrument. It cannot be killed by any weapon. It cannot be sucked in by any wind or any subtle powers and it cannot be destroyed. It's eternal life. So, a life came on this earth to show. He is the one who has shown through his life that what Krishna has said is correct. He came to prove it. I wish we had that English like [inaudible] It's clearly written in that, that He was born to Radha. Radha created it. But Radha created the egg, she created the egg. And out of that egg, She put all the essences of innocence like, you see, this is Radha and the egg, you see. First, chick is like this, one. This is the egg, inside the egg, it's like this. Then He comes on this earth as Christ. He's the embodiment of innocence. He comes on this earth and then you are shown, you are shown because you have freedom. And you made it out, that's why you are shown that He is resurrected. And you can also get your resurrection it is promised to you. Now, so many of you have felt it. Your rebirth, you've felt it. This is a unique thing because so far all the evolution that you had, was not, was not at all your rebirth. Now, the rebirth has come and when the rebith has come, you are shown it, you are aware of it, you are aware of it that it happens to you. Clear? Is it clear to you? So, on this day, as a Sahaja Yogi, you have to decide we are there, no doubt, we are definitely there. We have entered into the Kingdom of God and that we have to get more people. Because they are still ignorant, they may argue or else they'll do anything you see because they are ignorant, they haven't left it. But you have to understand, you have to understand that they have to get it. They have to get it, it is their right. But they have to ask it in their own freedom. So, you have to tell them, you have to talk to them, you have to find them. They are many, so many of them are really seeking and it should happen to them. I've told, long time back, that the whole Pervading Power that is on this earth now is ignited and is going to work out. You don't have to worry about: how many people Mother you are going to face, how many people that are going to be, only ten thousands? Only twenty thousands? No, it's going to work out in a very big way. Now, the big way has to be done when you people, you the supporters, you the- what you call the pillars of that- have to be a little softer. You have to be little more fun, then you can bear the whole load of that. You see, how do we make a big camping? First, we make the pillars strong ones and then you just spread the [inaudible]. So the whole Pervading Power will be enlighting many people on its own. But you are like the pillars because you will know each and everything about Kundalini awakening. You may know all the maneuvering they will just feel it, you see, they will talk about it, their vibrations, they will test what is that, they will be finding it like scientists, a little bit here and a little bit there. Like a person who enters into the room, he stops, floats on [unsure] then he will go on like that. But you are in a room which is enlighted. But you have to be strong enough to carry that light. All right? What I'm saying, this is what you have to decide those who are Realized have to decide this that we have to be really strong within ourselves. Sort out other person's problems, not only [inaudible]: how many husbands you married in last lives, how many wives you were having last lives, how many children, all kinds of nonsensical things this melodrama and poetry and all that is all nonsense. That is not going to give you any happiness and joy don't waste your time on all these small things of life. No. Stop [inaudible] yourself. [New people are coming inside] Lady: I come for [inaudible] Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji: Hum? Lady: Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] They phoned. Sahaja Yogini: If you like to come. [Laughter] Shri Mataji: Ah. So, I would like to have some questions and we'll give Realization. That's the way. Who's there? You were there for the- you were [Inaudible] [Laughter] Ah, I knew he would come today. I mean. You see, he's looking so different. Isn't he? So much different. We're waiting, you see, for you. There's another one and the one who is sitting next to you. [Laughter] It's good. Shri Mataji: How is it? What do you find? Seeker lady: We wanted to come. Shri Mataji: Really? I'm happy. [Inaudible] Seeker lady: He doesn't understand English so much. Shri Mataji: All right, it's fine, doesn't matter. Seeker lady: I can later on explain. Shri Mataji: This is a language of love, you see. Nothing to be told about it, it just works, isn't it? Let's see if he is established, how is he. Can you come down here [inaudible]? [End of tape 1][tape 2] I mean 50% of people are understanding that holiness [unsure] They don't have [Inaudible] about it. But those who have come for the first time, today, shouldn't think they have been here for the first time. Perhaps, we do not know how many lives we have been seeking. If we were not seeking before we would not have been seeking in this life so desperately. And many a time, in India, I told people that so many saints who were in India once upon a time seeking, in the valleys and in the mountains, even in the Himalayas, are now born in the West. Thank's God [unsure] It's a fact. But a new problem is that when we are seeking in the dark, when there is no hand to guide us, on the contrary, there are many more to misguide us, those who have an interest in our faults, in our disturbance, or we can say in our destruction, all such people now come to misguide and to take advantage of us. At such a point and under these circumstances, the saints, the real seekers, the people who are genuine are attacked first. Because the satanic is all the time, on one side it is destroyed and on the other side, it's trying to found out who are the seekers. It is not today but since the times of Rama, you can say, even earlier. Even much earlier, we can say, eight thousand years was Rama's time, even much earlier, everywhere a seeker was tortured. But now in these modern times, they have become very subtle, they have developed methods of subtle [inaudible]. And before we realize where we are, they attack, they found out. At the time of Rama the saints, as there are angels guiding the saints, the satanic forces also gather together and try to exploit the situation. Thus, in these modern times what we call as Kali Yuga, we assist [unsure] today with an atmosphere of complete confusion even a true seeker doesn't know who is the real person whom to go, whom to approach and where to get. What should we do? We are frantic and that [inaudible] a tremendous amount of damage has been done to your own being inside. But, I would say about my compassion, I would say, it is fulfilled of confused anguish when you see the real seekers, the genuine people, the people who are simple-hearted, innocent, who are my own, dragged into [inaudible]. Your compassion gets into anguish. The more of your compassion becomes anguish. So instead of getting angry with you or getting in any way upset with you, I try to find out how I can really smooth [unsure], how I can really cure that part which is destroyed in this genuine. But you have to be genuine to face the reality. If you are not genuine, you cannot face it. You cannot face it neither you can accept it because it is too much for you. But if you are genuine, the genuiness gives ou the strengh to [inaudible] the reality. But reality is not a heavy stuff. It's the lighter stuff, it makes you very light. At the edge it's just like beautiful showers - in Sanskrit there's a word « Tushar - तुषार » and you're not going to find that in English language- it's a beautiful word which means that when you are, say, standing near the sea, the waves come and throw all that litlle, little drops on you, that's what is « Tushar - तुषार ». And that is what it is, the ocean of love just breaks near the heart in totally small little drops of its love on your being. And the whole thing is beautifully worked out. It has to be that way for people who are so much injured and also wounded.

Easter seminar, Finchley Ashram, London (England), Sunday, March 26th, 1978 Today is Easter and all of you celebrate it. It's rather surprising, you see, there are people believing in science and everything, these days they offer you an egg. But they should believe in Christ or they should believe in his Resurrection. It's absolutely unscientific but we accept it without asking "why?" and "how?".You never question Easter. But certain things, when they appear new to us, we start questioning and want to bring it to the science, to the reality of it. But certain things we just accept: his Resurrection. Now, we have for Easter the thing that we give, an egg on an Easter day. Now, why do we do it? If you are that rational, you must think about it: why do we give an egg?We never think about it we just do it because it's a custom of the great grand-mother and the grandmother did it and the mother will do and the child does it. So, we just do it just as an accepted thing. You are not bothered to find out "why?". Why are we to give an egg and not something else? What does it show when there is no mention of an egg in the Bible, as far as I know? But there is a mention in this Devi Bhagavatam about an egg and Christ. And everybody is doing it without understanding what does that mean. How did we get that symbol, from Where? Of course, now it is accepted scientifically that there is some sort of a universal Unconscious which gives us symbols. People accept that. Many have, not all of them, but many accept it. So, we have to say that this symbol has come to us definitely from the Unconscious. But it must have come to many people so that people have accepted this symbol of an egg on an Easter day. The symbol of egg is that the egg is twice born. In Sanskrit language, a bird is called as "dvija". But it's called as a "dvijaya". And the Brahmin are reborn, or twice born, are also called as "dvijaya". DVI-JAYA means the one who is born twice. It's a birth of a Brahmin.So, first, the egg comes just as a living thing. Egg is a living thing, you know that, fully developed outside, not inside. Egg does not develop after it has come out of the mother's womb. It is the same size, but inside something happens, it grows with the want. And a change comes into it. That growth and everything that comes into an egg is built into it. It is his own right. He's made like that. That's the way he is made. But the bird has to come out of it. It is made like that. That is what is "sahaja". That is, you are born with it, "sahaja", you are born with it. An egg is born with it to be a bird. All right? In the same way, Christ was born to be resurrected. See the vibrations I made. His Resurrection gave us the way for our Resurrection too, for our jumping into the Unconscious. He did it for us though He did not do it. He came on this earth, lived like us. He was a human being and He jumped into that, giving us a way, clearing a way for us, showing the path. And He did it with his birth " [inaudible] " as they call it in Sanskrit. His whole body, He lifted because He was divine Power itself. He was made out of the "Om". He was made out of the Brahma itself. He was nothing but vibrations, you see. His body was nothing but vibrations. So whatever was a little bit of the earth element felt down and the rest of it was resurrected in the presence of human beings. His soul is being resurrected. See, it's a Vedic [unsure] meaning but the human being's soul is being resurrected. Because if they had not seen it, they would never have been believed it. He could have resurrected himself in some corner. He could have done that. There was no need for him to appear by. But He did it openly before everybody else to see that He, his body resurrected. In the Devi Mahatmya [Devi Bhagavatam] Christ is described as Mahavishnu. Devi is the Goddess, is the Mother, the Primordial Mother, and in her life story we can say, Mahatmya's story. For Goddess, they never say life-story but they say- [Shri Mataji seems to ask aside]. You see, you cannot say life-story for Christ, He been a divine person. Divine person doesn't have a life, you see, it has no beginning and end. So, what you can say is the importance "mahatm,va" there should be importance. The importance of Devi is described- the Goddess. And in that, they have described that first He was created as an egg in the Vaikuntha, is another dimension. So the egg is the symbol of the Christ who came on this earth and his Resurrection. It's a message for all of us that you all are going to be resurrected. You all are going to jump into that Unconscious, into that All-pervading Power. You all are going to be triggered, that is the message of Easter. Now, how you are made like an egg yourself? Just see. It's very interesting. You yourself, you are made like an egg. The shell develops around you. If you have the diagram of the things that I've given you, have you got anyone of you? Anyone has a chart? If you have a chart you can put it up somewhere here to get shown.In the chart inside- now the human being are made in such a way that they have within them the sympathetic nervous system on both sides and the parasympathetic in the center. The sympathetic we use for our activity. Left and right, both sympathetic, we use for our activity, for our emergency activity especially. And the parasympathetic is the one which balances, nourishes, looks after and coordinates. Now, these sympathetic activities give us ego and superego. The ego goes like this and superego goes like that. Because, actually, the ego comes up like this and the superego like this, you can see like that. And where is the path? From where it starts? These ego and superego, both of them, give us that shell. Then it closes down, here in the head, when the child is a small being. Then the shell is completed, you become a shell. So, you live in your shell, you are identified with your shell, with your ego and superego. That is your conditionings and your ego- ego what is ego is? All of you know what it is like, horrid thing.[Laughter]It becomes only a barrier for a chick. For the chick, it is horrid the shell when it is awakened. Then it gets its life. Otherwise, it's now at least lying [unsure] down there, it's not bothered. When you are awakened inside, then you start seeing also the shell around you and you want to break it. You want to get out of it. You become aware of the sufficient comfort ego.Seeker: Yes.Shri Mataji: You become aware of that shell, that ego, especially in the Western life as it is, you know, its ego yet is pampered all the time, in competition, in this and that. And you become that, you are identified with it because you are just an ordinary egg.But if you are awakened, suddenly you start seeing the shell around you, you want to get out of it, just don't want it. You think, if you get out of it, you'll have your wings and expect your wings and you'll fly in the air, in the space. That feeling comes into you when you separate yourself from the shell. That happens with the Kundalini awakening.When the Kundalini is awakened in you, then you start feeling that, "There is something inside me which is keeping me still down. There's something that's pushing me down still, and how to break the shell?" So, a hole has to be with you, that is a simple thing, it's baptism. The hole that is made in a shell is baptism. So, we see, there are two stages. First, it's the awakening has to take place. First, the awakening has to take place. If there is no awakening, nothing will happen, an egg will remain an egg. It will become dirty or which matters the most it'll become rotten. After some time, it becomes a rock. And it is all wasted. If somebody knows how to give it the warmth of love and proper handling and all that, can mature it properly. But supposing, even while raising the Kundalini, there is some part which is still left, not yet attained, yet not developed, the Kundalini will go there and support it and try to develop it. At least, it will make so much so that when it is broken, it is able to start to withstand the outside. Now, we can also think, "Why we are made into a shell?" We are made into a shell, we are made into an egg because that is the only way you can be protected and can be growing. And the evolutionary second stage of jumping into the Unconscious can be brought in. You develop within yourself, through your seeking and things, a kind of a wisdom and the wisdom is the only way you are judged. I mean, you may be the most brilliant man all around the world, but if you lack wisdom, you are no good.Wisdom is very different from the so-called knowledge. When you mature, the wisdom grows into you. And then, whenever wisdom is sufficient enough, then a little break is needed, that's all. And the bird comes out, developed. But most of the eggs, I found, have been already punctured with some things. Already somebody has punctured something. That's why I'm so angry with other gurus. As I told you before, I don't mind! If they want to make money, let them make money. If they want to have women, let them have women, if they want to smother, let them smother. But they have no business to spoil your Kundalini as they are spoiling your Kundalini. And I am very angry with them. And I have to tell you very frankly that they are satanic people. They are killing the egg in you. The germinating power in you is killed by them. They are giving you something, such a poison, that you cannot get your Resurrection. They are taking away your fundamental right. You do not know what they are doing to you, that's why. You do not understand why I condemn them completely. [Laughter] [Conversation with Yogis; coffee pause] So you have to remember that once the shell breaks, when the egg breaks, part of the shell dies, all right? Part of the shell dies but the chick is left out. The part that is no more needed dies out. So something in us also dies out and has to die out: and that is what is the past and the future. The past and the future dies out and you live in the present. When the past dies out, what dies out? You just think about your past. The essence of what was good in your past is taken up. Only the dead past which was in you which was not giving any substance to the body dies out. So you don't have to bother about your karmas anymore once you are Realized. No resurrection of your karmas. There are some people who'll tell you: "You have to wash your karmas." How can you wash something which is with you? If you separate yourself then you may start washing it. But you cannot wash something that is within you. You have to take it out. And that is what is taken out as a shell. And your wisdom works it out. This is the freedom given to you to choose the medium path of existence by which you put all such things that are not required for this process, the last process, the best process, the highest process of resurrection, on the sides, on all the sides, to be in the center. Not extremes of anything, no. In the nature, we seldom funny such fine eggs. But in the human being, we do find. Sometimes I find that's too much [inaudible] people are coming just like a horn, you know, like a unicorn. [inaudible] Everywhere they start, that's very aggressive. And they are not aware of how aggressive they are. Sometimes, they develop superego by which they say: "We have been afraid, this has happened, that has happened." And you know they're useless people. All kinds of imbalances in a human being are possible. Not so much in the eggs, surprising. Perhaps, because you have the freedom to develop the imbalances. You have the freedom to be crooked. You have the freedom to be complicated. You have the freedom to ruin yourself, spoil yourself and finish off. You can do it, not animals. Human beings can only do it. And this freedom is such a blessing and such a great promise that even God cannot take it out of you. Any other freedom that you seek, any other freedom, when you ask for wisdom, then this can happen to you. If you do not seek and if you do not ask, it's not going to happen. You will only ask when you are wise otherwise you will not. Your mind will be going to materialism, it will be going to some politics, it will be going to something else, to something very unimportant. But with wisdom you feel that you have to be reborn that's the main thing, after all, that's what you want to get it. You have to get to that part. When this wisdom comes to you, it just happens. Then you ask for it and that is why it is said that "you have to ask for it." The wisdom is not going to fall at your feet and say: "Oh, you be wise for heaven sake!" [Laugter] It's not going to request you. It has to mature into you, develop into you and fulfill itself. And then you feel that your wisdom has been blessed. Your wisdom itself gives you that satisfaction. In the Gita, it says: "Apmene lapmenet"[unsure] your Spirit itself gets satisfied of itself. "Apmene lapm ananda"[unsure] means you get satisfied, your Spirit itself gets satisfied in its own manifestation. You get satisfied with yourself. There's one poet who has written a poem on it, it's beautiful, it says that: "With Sahaja Yoga, the [inaudible] start smelling the fragrance of sainthood [unsure]"And this is the message for all of us on an Easter day of resurrection. But we do not bother about resurrection in our everyday life. We want to have the cross on us, we want to carry the cross. Who are you to carry the cross? That's a joke! You don't carry the cross, somebody came for that, to carry the cross for you and who did the job. But you have to believe only in one thing that you can be resurrected also. You don't have to carry any crosses anymore. You don't have to take any responsibility of any such things. The One who has created you, the One who has nourished you, the One who has made you from an amoeba to this stage as a human being, He's going to do it himself. But you have to ask for it. That is a condition because you are free. You understand that point? The freedom of choosing God is in you. And you have to use your freedom. In your freedom, if you have, in your freedom, not out of hypnosis or anything, but in your complete freedom when you ask, you will get it. Is it clear? And that is what is the message for us is of resurrection. Today is a great day, although it has been the greatest day. Because, at the time of Krishna, Yehovah as they call him, Yehovah is the name of Krishna. He said that: "Nainam chindanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavakah, na chainam kledayantyapo na shoshaya ti mārutaḥ. " [From Gita, Chapter: 2 Verse 23, meaning: “It cannot be pierced by weapons, It cannot be burnt by fire.”] He said this cannot be killed. This eternal life cannot be killed by any instrument. It cannot be killed by any weapon. It cannot be sucked in by any wind or any subtle powers and it cannot be destroyed. It's eternal life. So, a life came on this earth to show. He is the one who has shown through his life that what Krishna has said is correct. He came to prove it. I wish we had that English like [inaudible] It's clearly written in that, that He was born to Radha. Radha created it. But Radha created the egg, she created the egg. And out of that egg, She put all the essences of innocence like, you see, this is Radha and the egg, you see. First, chick is like this, one. This is the egg, inside the egg, it's like this. Then He comes on this earth as Christ. He's the embodiment of innocence. He comes on this earth and then you are shown, you are shown because you have freedom. And you made it out, that's why you are shown that He is resurrected. And you can also get your resurrection it is promised to you. Now, so many of you have felt it. Your rebirth, you've felt it. This is a unique thing because so far all the evolution that you had, was not, was not at all your rebirth. Now, the rebirth has come and when the rebith has come, you are shown it, you are aware of it, you are aware of it that it happens to you. Clear? Is it clear to you? So, on this day, as a Sahaja Yogi, you have to decide we are there, no doubt, we are definitely there. We have entered into the Kingdom of God and that we have to get more people. Because they are still ignorant, they may argue or else they'll do anything you see because they are ignorant, they haven't left it. But you have to understand, you have to understand that they have to get it. They have to get it, it is their right. But they have to ask it in their own freedom. So, you have to tell them, you have to talk to them, you have to find them. They are many, so many of them are really seeking and it should happen to them. I've told, long time back, that the whole Pervading Power that is on this earth now is ignited and is going to work out. You don't have to worry about: how many people Mother you are going to face, how many people that are going to be, only ten thousands? Only twenty thousands? No, it's going to work out in a very big way. Now, the big way has to be done when you people, you the supporters, you the- what you call the pillars of that- have to be a little softer. You have to be little more fun, then you can bear the whole load of that. You see, how do we make a big camping? First, we make the pillars strong ones and then you just spread the [inaudible]. So the whole Pervading Power will be enlighting many people on its own. But you are like the pillars because you will know each and everything about Kundalini awakening. You may know all the maneuvering they will just feel it, you see, they will talk about it, their vibrations, they will test what is that, they will be finding it like scientists, a little bit here and a little bit there. Like a person who enters into the room, he stops, floats on [unsure] then he will go on like that. But you are in a room which is enlighted. But you have to be strong enough to carry that light. All right? What I'm saying, this is what you have to decide those who are Realized have to decide this that we have to be really strong within ourselves. Sort out other person's problems, not only [inaudible]: how many husbands you married in last lives, how many wives you were having last lives, how many children, all kinds of nonsensical things this melodrama and poetry and all that is all nonsense. That is not going to give you any happiness and joy don't waste your time on all these small things of life. No. Stop [inaudible] yourself. [New people are coming inside] Lady: I come for [inaudible] Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji: Hum? Lady: Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] They phoned. Sahaja Yogini: If you like to come. [Laughter] Shri Mataji: Ah. So, I would like to have some questions and we'll give Realization. That's the way. Who's there? You were there for the- you were [Inaudible] [Laughter] Ah, I knew he would come today. I mean. You see, he's looking so different. Isn't he? So much different. We're waiting, you see, for you. There's another one and the one who is sitting next to you. [Laughter] It's good. Shri Mataji: How is it? What do you find? Seeker lady: We wanted to come. Shri Mataji: Really? I'm happy. [Inaudible] Seeker lady: He doesn't understand English so much. Shri Mataji: All right, it's fine, doesn't matter. Seeker lady: I can later on explain. Shri Mataji: This is a language of love, you see. Nothing to be told about it, it just works, isn't it? Let's see if he is established, how is he. Can you come down here [inaudible]? [End of tape 1][tape 2] I mean 50% of people are understanding that holiness [unsure] They don't have [Inaudible] about it. But those who have come for the first time, today, shouldn't think they have been here for the first time. Perhaps, we do not know how many lives we have been seeking. If we were not seeking before we would not have been seeking in this life so desperately. And many a time, in India, I told people that so many saints who were in India once upon a time seeking, in the valleys and in the mountains, even in the Himalayas, are now born in the West. Thank's God [unsure] It's a fact. But a new problem is that when we are seeking in the dark, when there is no hand to guide us, on the contrary, there are many more to misguide us, those who have an interest in our faults, in our disturbance, or we can say in our destruction, all such people now come to misguide and to take advantage of us. At such a point and under these circumstances, the saints, the real seekers, the people who are genuine are attacked first. Because the satanic is all the time, on one side it is destroyed and on the other side, it's trying to found out who are the seekers. It is not today but since the times of Rama, you can say, even earlier. Even much earlier, we can say, eight thousand years was Rama's time, even much earlier, everywhere a seeker was tortured. But now in these modern times, they have become very subtle, they have developed methods of subtle [inaudible]. And before we realize where we are, they attack, they found out. At the time of Rama the saints, as there are angels guiding the saints, the satanic forces also gather together and try to exploit the situation. Thus, in these modern times what we call as Kali Yuga, we assist [unsure] today with an atmosphere of complete confusion even a true seeker doesn't know who is the real person whom to go, whom to approach and where to get. What should we do? We are frantic and that [inaudible] a tremendous amount of damage has been done to your own being inside. But, I would say about my compassion, I would say, it is fulfilled of confused anguish when you see the real seekers, the genuine people, the people who are simple-hearted, innocent, who are my own, dragged into [inaudible]. Your compassion gets into anguish. The more of your compassion becomes anguish. So instead of getting angry with you or getting in any way upset with you, I try to find out how I can really smooth [unsure], how I can really cure that part which is destroyed in this genuine. But you have to be genuine to face the reality. If you are not genuine, you cannot face it. You cannot face it neither you can accept it because it is too much for you. But if you are genuine, the genuiness gives ou the strengh to [inaudible] the reality. But reality is not a heavy stuff. It's the lighter stuff, it makes you very light. At the edge it's just like beautiful showers - in Sanskrit there's a word « Tushar - तुषार » and you're not going to find that in English language- it's a beautiful word which means that when you are, say, standing near the sea, the waves come and throw all that litlle, little drops on you, that's what is « Tushar - तुषार ». And that is what it is, the ocean of love just breaks near the heart in totally small little drops of its love on your being. And the whole thing is beautifully worked out. It has to be that way for people who are so much injured and also wounded.

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Transcript Of Talk Satya Yuga: The Unconscious 1978-0408 Caxton Hall London Shri Mataji: May God Bless You. You all can see Me, is it? Or should I stand up? Today is a great day, a very great day. I had said about this [UNCLEAR/back]. That first day after the ninth night of this year would be the start of manifestation of the new age. Of course, the new age has started a long time back. But the manifestation did not work out well [UNCLEAR/at the start]. But I find that the attitude of humans towards anything divine working is a little strange. It has [UNCLEAR]. If it was not, they never recognised Christ. They never recognised Rama. They never recognised Krishna. In the same way, they will never recognise Satya Yuga, the new age. When these people came, nobody bothered. Those who bothered were only bothered as to see how they kill or torture them. Nobody could see through their principles, their life, their powers that there is something great in these incarnations and we must make use of it. The reason is, man has these old ways of ignorance. For example, a man will go to a garden. He will find out who has made this garden. Then he will find out who has planned it. Then he will find out who is the person who has been the gardener. Then he finds out from where the water is coming. Then he starts counting the trees. Then he starts counting the fruits. Then he starts counting the roots. I mean, all sorts of funny things. The attitude is so funny that all the effort that is put into creating a garden is lost. Now the garden is created for people to go and rest and enjoy. They will take all their statistics. They will take their computers. They will take all their books and sit. And make it [UNCLEAR]. In the same way, they will talk [UNCLEAR/incarnations] and see only [UNCLEAR]. Now see the other side. The sun rises. Sun is not bothered. It is not bothered as to who has come to bask in his glory. What the sun does is to throw the light. The sun wants to see you happy. The sun wants to give you joy and balance. That is his job and that is why he was created. It is not counting how many heads I am enlightening. It is not counting, “How many doors am I knocking? How many windows do I have to open?”. It is not bothered. Now if somebody wants to get the sunshine, he has to come out and open himself and take the sun. On the contrary, people would say, I mean as they say for incarnations, that why if it is the sun that shines, in my window there is darkness? If there is sunshine, my room must be completely enlightened. Not only, but in the cellar, if I go, it should be enlightened. Even if I go to a cave, it should be enlightened. If I go to the centre of a tunnel also, it should be enlightened. And if I come out and my eyesight is completely dark, still I must see the light. This is the demand. Now the poor sun has to be crucified also. This is the position of human beings when they look at anybody who has come to give light. That they want, “Once we have got realisation, we should just get everything in a package deal. Why shouldn’t we?”. Actually that you have got realisation itself is a very big [UNCLEAR]. Itself is a very big happening in your life which has happened out of grace. After all, if you sit down and see, “After all, what have I done to get realisation?”. You know, people have to go to jungles. They have to stay in forests where there are tigers and all kinds of dangers. And their gurus make them go round and round and round and round. And never give them realisation [UNCLEAR]. You have to give up your families, live a very celibate life and then get your realisation. And then also it is [UNCLEAR]. So forget about the horrible fake ones who are in the city and are just making money and all that. I am not talking about them. But the real ones. If you get realisation, you have to [UNCLEAR/matter of pride]. But you have been chosen by God. Definitely, that is why you have got realisation. There must be some reason [UNCLEAR], but if you are chosen. If a candidate is chosen for a job, he has to be worthy of it. On the contrary, what we demand - like every labour union does that. Once we have got the job, whether we do it or not, it is our right to have more pay. Whether the company is making a profit or not, it is our right to have more pay. It is not our duty to work but it is our right to have pay. But it is a foolish [UNCLEAR/child?]. Because the sun is not [UNCLEAR]. It is one who shuns and runs into the tunnel. He goes on shouting, “Oh Sun, if you are there I must get light from you. If you are really there it must happen to me”. So the sun will say, “All right, my child, go ahead, with your [UNCLEAR/obstacle/obstinacy]”. So the attitude of human beings has been of this kind. And that is the reason why so far incarnations have been failures. Another very big problem perhaps is that those who rise and get it [UNCLEAR]. You don’t realise - that is another very big problem. A person has to suck it. A person, like the sun, has to suck. And a person who is seeking the sun is having his [UNCLEAR]. That is a tremendous reason. Because when you are searching, you are counting every stone which you pass. You count every turn you take. You count every tree. You write books about what dangers you have had. And that model of yours is not [UNCLEAR/told to the person who is searching] because he is standing at the top of the hill. For example, supposing I am tomorrow [UNCLEAR/telling an ignorant person] who is the prime minister of England. What does it matter? An incarnation will not get any marks in your master mind for [UNCLEAR]. Not a single mark he will get. He may [UNCLEAR] in such and such year who was born and in such and such year who died - all this knowledge is a [UNCLEAR]; He may not know all this. Because he is [UNCLEAR]. All this knowledge of the mastermind - who wrote this book, who wrote that book - this knowledge has no value for the subtle. Because it [UNCLEAR/is changing] every day. Today somebody is the prime minister, tomorrow somebody will be the prime minister or he will be the prime minister or she will be the prime minister or he will be the president - it is all changing. Has no value at all of eternal nature, no value - just think of it. Just like your clothes you are changing every day. [UNCLEAR]. So this knowledge if you go and ask an [UNCLEAR/incarnation], he will say, ‘I have no idea what it is”. But there are some people who can tell you the dimensions of this room. Or there are masterminds who can tell who has made it, from where it has come and all that. Or maybe somebody else who can find out something from science and maybe he can explain it. But to an incarnation or to a [UNCLEAR/saint], this is of no value. Like small children counting the pebbles on the shores of knowledge. And they will go and ask their father, “Now tell me how many I have got in my hand”. But they are innocent. And ignorant. Because what is it to the father whether you have five or ten in your hand? Does it matter? So the knowledge for us which is important is absolute knowledge. Which is eternal. Which never changes. For example, you can say, that the sun has - when the sun shines, the way the leaves soak and then they transform the trees and they will get chlorophyll. The oxygen which then gets [UNCLEAR]; this is the knowledge of the tree. And he does not go on counting or making a record of how many heads [UNCLEAR/are in the sun]. But human beings are such that they will blame the sun for giving them a cold. The difference between human beings and [UNCLEAR] is that human beings think they are all in the [UNCLEAR] and they are all responsible for the [UNCLEAR] of this one person. And the subtlest within, that is the only [UNCLEAR], nothing else. Everyone will start [UNCLEAR], he is the only one who [UNCLEAR]. He doesn’t know who is the other. He just knows [UNCLEAR]. And he is the one, the only one who is still; the rest are part and parcel. He doesn’t know the difference between I and you. He doesn’t blame anyone because if anything goes wrong with anyone, it is no blaming but is a [UNCLEAR/part]. If some portion dies out, it dies out. Like My [UNCLEAR/nail] falls off, it falls off. That is of no importance to an incarnation. He doesn’t like to show off. He doesn’t like to say, “This is I, this is I, this is I” - no. He makes out [UNCLEAR]. And he doesn’t blame you. He will never hate you or curse you. Can we hate our own hands? Can we hate our own eyes? Can we hate our own nose? But everything [UNCLEAR], the world gets [UNCLEAR/threatened]. He doesn’t impress you with external things, he doesn’t. He does not bother as to how you talk, how you should stand, what [UNCLEAR/quote] to say what thing. Because he does not impress you by his outward behaviour. But affects you by his own height, by his own dignity, by his own personality. Which is within. It is a very deep understanding. If human beings can suck that, then they will know that God Almighty has done everything under the sun to make you aware of this. He does everything that is possible under the mind to make you feel the joy that surmounts it. He has created this large [UNCLEAR] for you to enjoy and He makes every effort, every effort for you to feel that there is a [UNCLEAR] only one [UNCLEAR] that you are [UNCLEAR/seeing] the light of that. You have been given the freedom that if you want light, you can have. But if you don’t have it, you cannot blame God for that - you have to blame yourself. There is something missing in you. There is something that is stuck. There is something that was [UNCLEAR/avoided]. In the same way, like today, I had to clear that [UNCLEAR]. But when I say that people immediately think that [UNCLEAR/we are going to be thrown] into a shower of blessings. In this new age, after all, we are going to be put on the throne of the kingdom of heaven. And that nothing is going to bother us and everything is going to be worked out. [UNCLEAR]. You have to expose yourself to that [UNCLEAR]. You have to open out yourself to that [UNCLEAR]. There are so many ways [UNCLEAR], by which you have to open out. You know what deities are there, how to please them, how to please the organisers within you, how to organise yourself so that you get the maximum benefit from it. I can only help with that. I can help you to open them. But if you deny, if you don’t want it, nobody is going to beg of you and neither is anybody going to force you. It has to work out with your full freedom and full [UNCLEAR/asking]. Of course, the first opening of the Sahasrara happened despite that. Like the force of the river Ganges [UNCLEAR]. But the same [UNCLEAR]. But then what happens with the new age coming in, you say, “Mother, what special thing is going to happen?”. We have more expectations than anyone. As if Mother is going to give you more chocolates and [UNCLEAR]. They would like to know, “Mother, what is the special thing they are going to get?”. [UNCLEAR for a minute and a half/Mother is talking about reality not overpowering unlike the satanic forces]. Everyone who is very arrogant will always say, “I am a very humble man”. And to please him, praise him, people will do that - I have seen it. Then they want to please another [UNCLEAR], they will start, “I haven’t seen another humble person like you”. Then they start this absolute madness. It is a common thing that people try to go and say. If you are really humble in your heart, then nobody can overpower you - that is “Satya” (truth). But we have to know how we [UNCLEAR]. We weep and cry and say, “Oh Lord, we have suffered so much”. We are very good [UNCLEAR] sometimes. And we can go, “How I have suffered in my life”. I mean, even Christ suffered. And there is this big balloon on their head, all this drama coming out. I see that. Very clearly. How much do we oppress others? How much do we hurt others? How much do we make them insecure? We will be in darkness. If [UNCLEAR/this is the new age], no one will live here. But [UNCLEAR] must not be your judgement but the judgement of God. Like the saints have really suffered in the past. But how many are saints? Krishna said, “[UNCLEAR] prana, sadhana, dharma-samsthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge”. In this world, I come again and again. To destroy the evil and to protect the sadhus and saints, and to establish the dharma, “dharma-samsthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge” - I come again and again. Now we have to find out how many are the real saints. Every saint has got some sort of a black [UNCLEAR/thing] within him. Thanks to these horrible gurus also, they have [UNCLEAR]. Thanks to the environment and all there are some more that are there. And thanks to your own understanding and your own, I would say ignorance about it, they are still nicely having a very good, jolly time. At [UNCLEAR] expense. They cannot activate without your help. Without your complete support. So don’t [UNCLEAR] that this new age should help us. This new age should give us something precious. Whatever I have promised and whatever I have said today that all those who are [UNCLEAR], that all the blessed people who are described in the Bible will receive their blessing. And nobody can overpower you, but you should judge yourself - “Are we that?”. To expect, even from realisation if you expect that all the heavens should fall on their heads and that all the blessings of God should come into them - after all, what have we done? Judge it yourself. And in the West, I find [UNCLEAR] providing instruments have been used socially and spiritually [UNCLEAR]. Either you have done it or somebody has done it. One or the other. And it is very difficult to separate yourself from yourself when the ego and superego are this [UNCLEAR/at this level]. And to expect everything, you must know that there is complete protection from all [UNCLEAR/negative about], a complete looking after, “Yoga-kshema-vahamyam” and a complete blessing that physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually and even financially, it is [UNCLEAR/a rapport] - you will be blessed. Because all these chakras are within us. But if you have no proper use of it no [UNCLEAR], what is the use of donating (?) [UNCLEAR]. So today, whatever was possible has been done for you to be the human being and also today is the day when the complete doors of the heavens have been opened out to you and you have to [UNCLEAR/], that, “I will try” or “I will be”. That power is in your hand. “And not waste my energy in something superficial, superfluous and actually wasting every moment”. This resolve you have to make. Only this resolve will improve the flow of the vibrations. And this is what I would like to begin with. For those who have got realisation, it is not difficult. Those who have got it [UNCLEAR]. All over the world, all over the universe, the forces are going round and round and round. To finally work out everything right, but only opening your exposure to them will work. And that exposure is like the exposure of a little drop into the ocean. That’s like a little drop into the ocean. Now, if the drop says, “Oh, that means I have to surrender myself”. These are all human styles of thinking. Do I surrender my ego or my superego? You should surrender both. What you should not surrender is your Spirit if you have. With [UNCLEAR], that will teach you how to surrender. Neither your ego nor your superego is conditioned to understand that you are a part, a big part in the drama of life. That you are going to play a very big role. Of God Almighty. But, it is [UNCLEAR] that you have to be fitted to play that role. Now the last thing I want to tell you today is that [UNCLEAR] everybody is under the impression that heaven is going to open and the incarnation is going to come on a horse and is all going to take us to heaven. It is a fact. It is going to heaven. It has to happen. But when it will happen, when it happens they will be just coming here to sort out, just to sort out all the useless ones and to take the right ones. [UNCLEAR sentence]. He is just coming for the last [UNCLEAR]. There will be no chance for realisation, no chance for emancipation, no chance for improvement. He will just come and throw away the useless people. And take the ones who have improved themselves, who are there. So don’t expect he will just, “They are not yet ready”. Still, we are very few Sahaja Yogis and out of them most of them are [UNCLEAR]. So let us postpone His coming for the time being and put attention to our emancipation to a point - where when He will come, He will take us to [UNCLEAR]. That was said because to frighten you - that you hurry up and get to the point. [UNCLEAR for a few lines]. You don’t know it is a very big problem. So I smile and laugh, inside Me, I weep sometimes to find people embedded in the mud of hatred. And in the mud of satanic forces. The whole mire. With this new age, a new [UNCLEAR] has to come. And if you want [UNCLEAR] you want to be there, it will be expedited, subtly improving with that love. And you will be helped much more. Because of the surroundings, the awareness of the people will change. And they will take to eternal values. The value structure in man will change. His priorities will change. The value structure in society will change. This truth can happen. And you will be benefitted from that. Actually, the value structure of human beings is so badly damaged and so perverted that to put it right itself has been a very big task. [UNCLEAR] in the dark is no [UNCLEAR] darkness, but when the sun is on top of your head, you can feel better and better and better. On this great day, I am sorry I have to hurt you. But on such a day I have to tell you the truth. [UNCLEAR for a few statements]. A mother has to tell them what they should do and what they should not. You cannot give them sweet things when they are not well. You have to give them insipid, horrid things to make them well. [UNCLEAR]. You cannot give them what you want to give. Because they are sick. Their stomachs are upset. Their minds are upset. So I request you to [UNCLEAR/work everywhere possible] to put yourself in the proper place. [UNCLEAR for a few statements]. And you have made a lot of mistakes in your seeking. Doesn’t matter. Everything is [UNCLEAR]. I am with you. I am all the time with you. And whatever help you want, we are going to work it out. I am so thankful today for all this. But when I see Kalki here, I must tell you, this is a [UNCLEAR]. Because I love you very much, no doubt because you are My son. But He is going to come with eleven Rudras and with His three eyes and he is going to reduce everyone into ashes. And throw them into hell. So I just [UNCLEAR]. It is not the time. No, no. My children are still very sick; some of them are very unhappy. Some of them have been tortured, have been reduced to nothing. Let Me, let Me help them. Make them well. And then, when they are all right, then You come. Let them be all right. Before that, no need. And [UNCLEAR] - He is the most obedient son. And He loves Me very much. [UNCLEAR] all those who have tried to kill all that is divine. [Possible break in recording]. Shri Mataji: Are you here for the first time? These are all old people. Out of you, those who [UNCLEAR] see the value. Did you come before? Did you? You felt the vibrations in the hand? Did you? I am asking her. You, you - I am asking her. Did you? You felt them nicely, isn’t it? Now, what about you? Are you feeling now? Cool in the hands? Good. Now just your hands towards Me like this, all of you. Hello, she is realised already, please see. Are you feeling good? Yes. What are you feeling? Warm. You feel warm. That’s all right. Just have faith. Just have little, not much, all right? You don’t feel I am a crook, do you? It’s all right then? Done? All of them? What is? [UNCLEAR]. What about you? Nothing? Have you been to some guru? No one. Have you been keeping all right, health-wise? Are you feeling nothing? Put your feet on the ground like that. Just you have to work it. Put it off now. [Break in audio, resumes at another point]. Shri Mataji: …some idea that there is some God. And also we know that He is reflected in us, in our heart aspect as Atma as Spirit. Now, when we know about the three channels that are working within us, of Mahakali, Mahalaxmi and Mahasaraswati, the three powers of Ida, Pingala and Sushumna, which create the subconscious, preconscious and the conscious mind are working in our consciousness. That means we are conscious of them. We are conscious of our left and right that is Ida and Pingala. Sympathetic nervous system. We are not conscious of the parasympathetic. We can increase the rate of our breathing but we cannot decrease. A decrease or what we call lowering down of the rate is done by parasympathetic. So the parasympathetic is active but we are not conscious of it in the sense that we have no control over it. The Spirit that is God which is reflected in us resides in the heart. The manifestation of Spirit in our heart controls the parasympathetic. But this Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty in our heart, as if in a mirror. And Divine Love which is the light of God is reflected in us through the reflection of the Spirit as the unconscious mind. So within us, there is an area about which we are not conscious. That is why it is called as unconscious. That area lies so far away from our conscious mind that we cannot control it. We are not conscious of it. But it acts through parasympathetic activity. How it acts - I will give a simile. Supposing there is a power work somewhere and it is acting through this light over here. You don’t see the power work or the factory wherever the power is seen. What you see is the manifestation here. And you see the light. But suppose you do not see the light, nor the lamp nor the factory. But you are affected by it. That is the situation of a human being. A normal human being who is not a realised soul is not aware of that factory which is God or the light he has got. He is not aware of the lamp that he has got in his heart. And he is also not aware of the light that the lamp is emitting. But it is acting. So the unconscious mind is nothing but the projection of God’s will through the light of Divine Love. I have given this simile again and again which is very good and apt. That these two powers within us - one on the left and one on the right-hand side are there and we are conscious of them and we use them. Out of them the right we use it in absolute awareness. Left one we know is used as subconscious mind and sometimes if you take drugs or use something like that, then you go to your subconscious also. So you can become aware of the subconscious area also. So you become - you are aware of the right-hand side already and you are aware of the subconscious sometimes when you try to get aware of it. So these two powers that are within us are all the time vibrating in a way. And the points at which they meet, they create the throb. So you can say the centre. The centre is created, a deity is created. But there is no light for us to see or to feel or to be conscious of the deity itself. Deities are fast asleep. When the Kundalini rises - Kundalini is the subconscious. You will be surprised that Kundalini is the Mahakali power. She is absolutely pure, in the purest form. Because she is not heat(?). Because you can say part of the [UNCLEAR/kidneys] within us, part of the subconscious - sort of we have kept some water separately. Which we have not used so far. So, first of all, we use the subconscious water and the preconscious water. And by…we dirty it. Then this stored up power rises and does the last cleansing. But when she rises, she creates a third current. Still, that third current, when she rises doesn’t have the light. But when she reaches the Sahasrara and pierces it, then it becomes one with the Universal Consciousness. Because what is God? Is the one who controls the Universal Consciousness. He is the controller of the Universal Consciousness. He emits the light. And when this Kundalini rises, it gets that [UNCLEAR] on it. Now all the deities get awakened. Now, you may say that it is in the heart, Mataji, you are saying; you are saying it is here. Is confusion you can say. But actually, it is all-pervading faith you can say - God is the nucleus in the factory. It has the light all over and is reflected in the heart. So when your Kundalini, a particular individual Kundalini touches that, then this light is emitted. Then the heart, in the heart the Spirit is ignited. Or sort of it manifests, it projects. And its projections are these vibrations. So through this, you know the will of God. Through this, you have a dialogue with Him and you understand what He wants. And what does He want you to know? There are three qualities of God which you can feel through this. One, what is the Truth. You ask any question. If you are asking for something and if it is yes, then you get too many vibrations. If it is no, vibrations will lower down. That is how you can verify what is right and what is wrong. What is the truth, what is not the truth. Now you can know. Nobody has to tell you. You don’t need the clergyman or anybody to certify - is there, through your vibrations - you can feel it; this is the truth or not. Is it the correct place you have come to or the wrong one? There is also various combinations and permutations of the diseases. It is true but still, there’s a little point which is wrong with you. For example, if you say that Christ was resurrected in person - yes, it is true. You will get more vibrations. But if you feel now, that if you say, “Is it Mataji, the Mother of Christ?”, if you do not accept it - you will not get it any further. [UNCLEAR]. That is how you understand the truth. Now once you understand the truth and if you are identified with it - it is a very difficult thing for the mind; the Western mind as far as I know. Immediately what you get is the second quality of God is joy. The second quality of the Unconscious is joy. You should hear some of the letters that people write to Me. [UNCLEAR]. For Indians, it is very easy to recognise Me. You see, because they do not see only a side, they know Me throughout, you see. Immediately they know the One who raises the Kundalini, One when they fall at My feet and the Kundalini rises, finished. That’s the sign. No problem. For them no problem. So they accept it very fast. But in these ego-oriented societies, it is very difficult. So they do not accept. The problems are there. But once if you start identifying with the truth and start accepting. Just think you are sitting before Me and who am I? Just think of that. Who am I sitting down before? Just say “I am that”. Then see the joy. See the waves of joy just [UNCLEAR]. But this truth is not easily identified. If it is identified, then you get the second thing which is known as joy. Now the third quality of joy is attention. Means that He is attention. Can you understand that? In English, it is very difficult. But what I am saying is, wherever He is, He is attention. Now how do you explain it? For example, I am sitting down here. I am not paying any attention to him, but I am attention. It flows. Like the water. You put it somewhere. Wherever there is a lowward area, it will flow there. Water doesn’t do it. Its nature is such that it flows through that. In the same way, I am not paying conscious attention. But if you pray to Me, it will happen. But you should receive My attention in the sense that My attention should penetrate into your [UNCLEAR/self first]. If you are false, it will not act. Because it understands. The attention understands everything that you are. It is like a computer. Even faster than that. Supposing My hand is here. And you prick Me with a pin. Immediately My hand will go away like that. Immediately. Even before you have pricked Me, My hand will - if I see. If My attention is on My hand, all the muscles will act and take it away - immediately, from there. In the same way, you can say, much bigger than that is the attention of God. And it starts acting through you. Anybody you want to think of, you just think of - and it acts. It spreads. It spreads. You can attend to your relations. You can think about your mother, you can think about your father; you can attend to that. Then you rise like this. Then you grow higher and higher and higher. Then the whole personality becomes nothing but attention. Is the same thing. Is the same thing expressed in three ways. Is the same thing. That when your attention is everywhere, you are joy. Because your attention will receive the joy, because you are Truth, that’s why you are joy, because nothing but Truth can give you joy. Falsehood can never give you joy. For the time being, you will be happy or unhappy. But joy is a thing which never changes its quality. It's not a duality, it's one. Many people say like this, “I am very happy”. That’s not the joy. It is joy. It cannot be described. Just think supposing I am that. Because for Me, still “I am a supposing”. Just think of that. If so, [UNCLEAR]. If acting in you, it's excited in you. It's the ocean of Truth, Joy and Attention. And you get that. The way you are joyous, I am also joyous. The way you are standing on the Truth, I am also standing on the Truth. The way you are paying attention, I am also paying attention. You just [UNCLEAR] take somebody's name. Immediately you will get the indication on the hand. Without attention, it is not coming there. But the attention you are not conscious of it. It just works. Because God is giving you his Attention Himself. He pays attention to everything. You are talking to somebody, “Oh, I just thought it”. Why? “Because that has got this trouble”. Immediately God indicates - why? Because He is so attentive. These are the three qualities of God which have manifested and that is the nature of the Unconscious within us. Now it is for us to rise. First of all, to know the truth. Now rationally you know. Rationally you know that there is something about Mataji, definitely, there is. But emotionally you cannot integrate. Some people know Me emotionally but rationally they cannot integrate. Try to integrate more. Start thinking by your heart and loving by your brain. Then it acts. Tell your brain to think of all the ways of loving. How do you express your love to someone in words? Start off. Just say a few words. Just now he said something - “Hail Mary’s Grace”. From here and here and here, it just started going. Only that “Hail” itself is a great [UNCLEAR]. See now, only this word - how much vibrations. It's so simple. Nothing so complicated as the psychologists make. Absolutely it is very simple. But when the Kundalini rises she does the simple job. She is kept there for that. She knows the job. She is aware. She knows Me very well. Of course, she is kept there only for this when you have to meet Me. She works it out. And she is wondering what’s wrong with these children. Why don’t they understand? This is the nature of the Unconscious. That is why we say it is unconscious because we are not conscious of it. But not with you people anymore. You are conscious of it. You are conscious of it. Not only that but you know all the things. What is this, what are all the fingers. Now think of it from God’s point of view. It's all right from a human point of view, you always [UNCLEAR] - but think from His point of view. He wants to evolve you people. To a higher state. You must realise with all your intelligence that still you have not reached that point from where you can say it is completed now. You have not met that power which is described - “Let it be” - and it happens. So there is something transition is still there, you have to achieve that point. That is true? All right. That means you are still unconscious of some things that you have not known so far. You have to evolve. Now, what is the God’s position? Supposing He has been evolving you throughout. Now at this stage when He has given you all the freedom, and like madcaps, you are trying to do something trivial. For example, a mother who allows her child to be free and the child is trying to put the fingers in the socket. She just has to come and tell, “No, don’t do that. That will give you burns”. She has to tell. God has to tell you. And how is He going to tell you? He has to have a mouth. He has to learn English. He has to talk to you. He has to have hands like this. Then, otherwise how is He is going to tell? The human mind has so fallen that they think that if you are helped monetarily, “Oh, God is with me”. Is he your servant that he is in your pocket? “Oh, God was very kind to me. Yesterday I went there, He was very kind to me”. But how do you say it was God or what has helped you? How do you know? Everybody thinks God is their servant standing at the door. “Oh God, do this thing for me, give job to me, please give job to another person. Oh God, will look after me. Give me food, everything. Oh God, let us win the war against this and do this and protect”. All sorts of things are done in the name of God. But whether the gentleman is there or not is not known. So the gentleman has to take a face and a mouth to talk to you. To tell you about these subtleties. They are subtle but not difficult. They are spiritual. But when He takes the body, it’s a big dilemma for Him. He takes the body, people say, “How can it be?”. First of all, they do not believe in themselves that they can face. That He can come. First of all. They themselves are suffering from an inferiority complex. And they cannot think how can He be a human being just like us. But if He is clever enough, He can make a drama out of it. He can copy you better than you can copy God. That is what human beings cannot understand. That He can do everything, all types of things and whatever you are doing also is done through His help. But depends on His attention you see. Just now His attention is on one thing. Throughout the world, He wants in the humans awakening. Sahaja Yoga to be established. First of all, let people feel the vibrations. Otherwise, what am I going to talk to them and what are you going to do with that? So this is the only attention working now. There is no miracle, nothing. Have your realisation first of all. No resurrections, no crucifixion, nothing any more. You just have, all of you, your vibrations. Correct them. That’s all. You keep the light ready. And that’s how you enlighten the light. Now you may say, “In His light, why should we enlighten our part?”. His light (is) for Himself. You see, a potter who makes pots makes small little lights also, lamps. He makes lamps. He is light Himself but He makes lamps. Small, small lamps. Then He fills with wick, oil. Then He picks a wick of Kundalini. Then He fills it. When such light fills His heart, gets reflected. He wants to see His reflection. [End of tape].

Transcript Of Talk Satya Yuga: The Unconscious 1978-0408 Caxton Hall London Shri Mataji: May God Bless You. You all can see Me, is it? Or should I stand up? Today is a great day, a very great day. I had said about this [UNCLEAR/back]. That first day after the ninth night of this year would be the start of manifestation of the new age. Of course, the new age has started a long time back. But the manifestation did not work out well [UNCLEAR/at the start]. But I find that the attitude of humans towards anything divine working is a little strange. It has [UNCLEAR]. If it was not, they never recognised Christ. They never recognised Rama. They never recognised Krishna. In the same way, they will never recognise Satya Yuga, the new age. When these people came, nobody bothered. Those who bothered were only bothered as to see how they kill or torture them. Nobody could see through their principles, their life, their powers that there is something great in these incarnations and we must make use of it. The reason is, man has these old ways of ignorance. For example, a man will go to a garden. He will find out who has made this garden. Then he will find out who has planned it. Then he will find out who is the person who has been the gardener. Then he finds out from where the water is coming. Then he starts counting the trees. Then he starts counting the fruits. Then he starts counting the roots. I mean, all sorts of funny things. The attitude is so funny that all the effort that is put into creating a garden is lost. Now the garden is created for people to go and rest and enjoy. They will take all their statistics. They will take their computers. They will take all their books and sit. And make it [UNCLEAR]. In the same way, they will talk [UNCLEAR/incarnations] and see only [UNCLEAR]. Now see the other side. The sun rises. Sun is not bothered. It is not bothered as to who has come to bask in his glory. What the sun does is to throw the light. The sun wants to see you happy. The sun wants to give you joy and balance. That is his job and that is why he was created. It is not counting how many heads I am enlightening. It is not counting, “How many doors am I knocking? How many windows do I have to open?”. It is not bothered. Now if somebody wants to get the sunshine, he has to come out and open himself and take the sun. On the contrary, people would say, I mean as they say for incarnations, that why if it is the sun that shines, in my window there is darkness? If there is sunshine, my room must be completely enlightened. Not only, but in the cellar, if I go, it should be enlightened. Even if I go to a cave, it should be enlightened. If I go to the centre of a tunnel also, it should be enlightened. And if I come out and my eyesight is completely dark, still I must see the light. This is the demand. Now the poor sun has to be crucified also. This is the position of human beings when they look at anybody who has come to give light. That they want, “Once we have got realisation, we should just get everything in a package deal. Why shouldn’t we?”. Actually that you have got realisation itself is a very big [UNCLEAR]. Itself is a very big happening in your life which has happened out of grace. After all, if you sit down and see, “After all, what have I done to get realisation?”. You know, people have to go to jungles. They have to stay in forests where there are tigers and all kinds of dangers. And their gurus make them go round and round and round and round. And never give them realisation [UNCLEAR]. You have to give up your families, live a very celibate life and then get your realisation. And then also it is [UNCLEAR]. So forget about the horrible fake ones who are in the city and are just making money and all that. I am not talking about them. But the real ones. If you get realisation, you have to [UNCLEAR/matter of pride]. But you have been chosen by God. Definitely, that is why you have got realisation. There must be some reason [UNCLEAR], but if you are chosen. If a candidate is chosen for a job, he has to be worthy of it. On the contrary, what we demand - like every labour union does that. Once we have got the job, whether we do it or not, it is our right to have more pay. Whether the company is making a profit or not, it is our right to have more pay. It is not our duty to work but it is our right to have pay. But it is a foolish [UNCLEAR/child?]. Because the sun is not [UNCLEAR]. It is one who shuns and runs into the tunnel. He goes on shouting, “Oh Sun, if you are there I must get light from you. If you are really there it must happen to me”. So the sun will say, “All right, my child, go ahead, with your [UNCLEAR/obstacle/obstinacy]”. So the attitude of human beings has been of this kind. And that is the reason why so far incarnations have been failures. Another very big problem perhaps is that those who rise and get it [UNCLEAR]. You don’t realise - that is another very big problem. A person has to suck it. A person, like the sun, has to suck. And a person who is seeking the sun is having his [UNCLEAR]. That is a tremendous reason. Because when you are searching, you are counting every stone which you pass. You count every turn you take. You count every tree. You write books about what dangers you have had. And that model of yours is not [UNCLEAR/told to the person who is searching] because he is standing at the top of the hill. For example, supposing I am tomorrow [UNCLEAR/telling an ignorant person] who is the prime minister of England. What does it matter? An incarnation will not get any marks in your master mind for [UNCLEAR]. Not a single mark he will get. He may [UNCLEAR] in such and such year who was born and in such and such year who died - all this knowledge is a [UNCLEAR]; He may not know all this. Because he is [UNCLEAR]. All this knowledge of the mastermind - who wrote this book, who wrote that book - this knowledge has no value for the subtle. Because it [UNCLEAR/is changing] every day. Today somebody is the prime minister, tomorrow somebody will be the prime minister or he will be the prime minister or she will be the prime minister or he will be the president - it is all changing. Has no value at all of eternal nature, no value - just think of it. Just like your clothes you are changing every day. [UNCLEAR]. So this knowledge if you go and ask an [UNCLEAR/incarnation], he will say, ‘I have no idea what it is”. But there are some people who can tell you the dimensions of this room. Or there are masterminds who can tell who has made it, from where it has come and all that. Or maybe somebody else who can find out something from science and maybe he can explain it. But to an incarnation or to a [UNCLEAR/saint], this is of no value. Like small children counting the pebbles on the shores of knowledge. And they will go and ask their father, “Now tell me how many I have got in my hand”. But they are innocent. And ignorant. Because what is it to the father whether you have five or ten in your hand? Does it matter? So the knowledge for us which is important is absolute knowledge. Which is eternal. Which never changes. For example, you can say, that the sun has - when the sun shines, the way the leaves soak and then they transform the trees and they will get chlorophyll. The oxygen which then gets [UNCLEAR]; this is the knowledge of the tree. And he does not go on counting or making a record of how many heads [UNCLEAR/are in the sun]. But human beings are such that they will blame the sun for giving them a cold. The difference between human beings and [UNCLEAR] is that human beings think they are all in the [UNCLEAR] and they are all responsible for the [UNCLEAR] of this one person. And the subtlest within, that is the only [UNCLEAR], nothing else. Everyone will start [UNCLEAR], he is the only one who [UNCLEAR]. He doesn’t know who is the other. He just knows [UNCLEAR]. And he is the one, the only one who is still; the rest are part and parcel. He doesn’t know the difference between I and you. He doesn’t blame anyone because if anything goes wrong with anyone, it is no blaming but is a [UNCLEAR/part]. If some portion dies out, it dies out. Like My [UNCLEAR/nail] falls off, it falls off. That is of no importance to an incarnation. He doesn’t like to show off. He doesn’t like to say, “This is I, this is I, this is I” - no. He makes out [UNCLEAR]. And he doesn’t blame you. He will never hate you or curse you. Can we hate our own hands? Can we hate our own eyes? Can we hate our own nose? But everything [UNCLEAR], the world gets [UNCLEAR/threatened]. He doesn’t impress you with external things, he doesn’t. He does not bother as to how you talk, how you should stand, what [UNCLEAR/quote] to say what thing. Because he does not impress you by his outward behaviour. But affects you by his own height, by his own dignity, by his own personality. Which is within. It is a very deep understanding. If human beings can suck that, then they will know that God Almighty has done everything under the sun to make you aware of this. He does everything that is possible under the mind to make you feel the joy that surmounts it. He has created this large [UNCLEAR] for you to enjoy and He makes every effort, every effort for you to feel that there is a [UNCLEAR] only one [UNCLEAR] that you are [UNCLEAR/seeing] the light of that. You have been given the freedom that if you want light, you can have. But if you don’t have it, you cannot blame God for that - you have to blame yourself. There is something missing in you. There is something that is stuck. There is something that was [UNCLEAR/avoided]. In the same way, like today, I had to clear that [UNCLEAR]. But when I say that people immediately think that [UNCLEAR/we are going to be thrown] into a shower of blessings. In this new age, after all, we are going to be put on the throne of the kingdom of heaven. And that nothing is going to bother us and everything is going to be worked out. [UNCLEAR]. You have to expose yourself to that [UNCLEAR]. You have to open out yourself to that [UNCLEAR]. There are so many ways [UNCLEAR], by which you have to open out. You know what deities are there, how to please them, how to please the organisers within you, how to organise yourself so that you get the maximum benefit from it. I can only help with that. I can help you to open them. But if you deny, if you don’t want it, nobody is going to beg of you and neither is anybody going to force you. It has to work out with your full freedom and full [UNCLEAR/asking]. Of course, the first opening of the Sahasrara happened despite that. Like the force of the river Ganges [UNCLEAR]. But the same [UNCLEAR]. But then what happens with the new age coming in, you say, “Mother, what special thing is going to happen?”. We have more expectations than anyone. As if Mother is going to give you more chocolates and [UNCLEAR]. They would like to know, “Mother, what is the special thing they are going to get?”. [UNCLEAR for a minute and a half/Mother is talking about reality not overpowering unlike the satanic forces]. Everyone who is very arrogant will always say, “I am a very humble man”. And to please him, praise him, people will do that - I have seen it. Then they want to please another [UNCLEAR], they will start, “I haven’t seen another humble person like you”. Then they start this absolute madness. It is a common thing that people try to go and say. If you are really humble in your heart, then nobody can overpower you - that is “Satya” (truth). But we have to know how we [UNCLEAR]. We weep and cry and say, “Oh Lord, we have suffered so much”. We are very good [UNCLEAR] sometimes. And we can go, “How I have suffered in my life”. I mean, even Christ suffered. And there is this big balloon on their head, all this drama coming out. I see that. Very clearly. How much do we oppress others? How much do we hurt others? How much do we make them insecure? We will be in darkness. If [UNCLEAR/this is the new age], no one will live here. But [UNCLEAR] must not be your judgement but the judgement of God. Like the saints have really suffered in the past. But how many are saints? Krishna said, “[UNCLEAR] prana, sadhana, dharma-samsthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge”. In this world, I come again and again. To destroy the evil and to protect the sadhus and saints, and to establish the dharma, “dharma-samsthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge” - I come again and again. Now we have to find out how many are the real saints. Every saint has got some sort of a black [UNCLEAR/thing] within him. Thanks to these horrible gurus also, they have [UNCLEAR]. Thanks to the environment and all there are some more that are there. And thanks to your own understanding and your own, I would say ignorance about it, they are still nicely having a very good, jolly time. At [UNCLEAR] expense. They cannot activate without your help. Without your complete support. So don’t [UNCLEAR] that this new age should help us. This new age should give us something precious. Whatever I have promised and whatever I have said today that all those who are [UNCLEAR], that all the blessed people who are described in the Bible will receive their blessing. And nobody can overpower you, but you should judge yourself - “Are we that?”. To expect, even from realisation if you expect that all the heavens should fall on their heads and that all the blessings of God should come into them - after all, what have we done? Judge it yourself. And in the West, I find [UNCLEAR] providing instruments have been used socially and spiritually [UNCLEAR]. Either you have done it or somebody has done it. One or the other. And it is very difficult to separate yourself from yourself when the ego and superego are this [UNCLEAR/at this level]. And to expect everything, you must know that there is complete protection from all [UNCLEAR/negative about], a complete looking after, “Yoga-kshema-vahamyam” and a complete blessing that physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually and even financially, it is [UNCLEAR/a rapport] - you will be blessed. Because all these chakras are within us. But if you have no proper use of it no [UNCLEAR], what is the use of donating (?) [UNCLEAR]. So today, whatever was possible has been done for you to be the human being and also today is the day when the complete doors of the heavens have been opened out to you and you have to [UNCLEAR/], that, “I will try” or “I will be”. That power is in your hand. “And not waste my energy in something superficial, superfluous and actually wasting every moment”. This resolve you have to make. Only this resolve will improve the flow of the vibrations. And this is what I would like to begin with. For those who have got realisation, it is not difficult. Those who have got it [UNCLEAR]. All over the world, all over the universe, the forces are going round and round and round. To finally work out everything right, but only opening your exposure to them will work. And that exposure is like the exposure of a little drop into the ocean. That’s like a little drop into the ocean. Now, if the drop says, “Oh, that means I have to surrender myself”. These are all human styles of thinking. Do I surrender my ego or my superego? You should surrender both. What you should not surrender is your Spirit if you have. With [UNCLEAR], that will teach you how to surrender. Neither your ego nor your superego is conditioned to understand that you are a part, a big part in the drama of life. That you are going to play a very big role. Of God Almighty. But, it is [UNCLEAR] that you have to be fitted to play that role. Now the last thing I want to tell you today is that [UNCLEAR] everybody is under the impression that heaven is going to open and the incarnation is going to come on a horse and is all going to take us to heaven. It is a fact. It is going to heaven. It has to happen. But when it will happen, when it happens they will be just coming here to sort out, just to sort out all the useless ones and to take the right ones. [UNCLEAR sentence]. He is just coming for the last [UNCLEAR]. There will be no chance for realisation, no chance for emancipation, no chance for improvement. He will just come and throw away the useless people. And take the ones who have improved themselves, who are there. So don’t expect he will just, “They are not yet ready”. Still, we are very few Sahaja Yogis and out of them most of them are [UNCLEAR]. So let us postpone His coming for the time being and put attention to our emancipation to a point - where when He will come, He will take us to [UNCLEAR]. That was said because to frighten you - that you hurry up and get to the point. [UNCLEAR for a few lines]. You don’t know it is a very big problem. So I smile and laugh, inside Me, I weep sometimes to find people embedded in the mud of hatred. And in the mud of satanic forces. The whole mire. With this new age, a new [UNCLEAR] has to come. And if you want [UNCLEAR] you want to be there, it will be expedited, subtly improving with that love. And you will be helped much more. Because of the surroundings, the awareness of the people will change. And they will take to eternal values. The value structure in man will change. His priorities will change. The value structure in society will change. This truth can happen. And you will be benefitted from that. Actually, the value structure of human beings is so badly damaged and so perverted that to put it right itself has been a very big task. [UNCLEAR] in the dark is no [UNCLEAR] darkness, but when the sun is on top of your head, you can feel better and better and better. On this great day, I am sorry I have to hurt you. But on such a day I have to tell you the truth. [UNCLEAR for a few statements]. A mother has to tell them what they should do and what they should not. You cannot give them sweet things when they are not well. You have to give them insipid, horrid things to make them well. [UNCLEAR]. You cannot give them what you want to give. Because they are sick. Their stomachs are upset. Their minds are upset. So I request you to [UNCLEAR/work everywhere possible] to put yourself in the proper place. [UNCLEAR for a few statements]. And you have made a lot of mistakes in your seeking. Doesn’t matter. Everything is [UNCLEAR]. I am with you. I am all the time with you. And whatever help you want, we are going to work it out. I am so thankful today for all this. But when I see Kalki here, I must tell you, this is a [UNCLEAR]. Because I love you very much, no doubt because you are My son. But He is going to come with eleven Rudras and with His three eyes and he is going to reduce everyone into ashes. And throw them into hell. So I just [UNCLEAR]. It is not the time. No, no. My children are still very sick; some of them are very unhappy. Some of them have been tortured, have been reduced to nothing. Let Me, let Me help them. Make them well. And then, when they are all right, then You come. Let them be all right. Before that, no need. And [UNCLEAR] - He is the most obedient son. And He loves Me very much. [UNCLEAR] all those who have tried to kill all that is divine. [Possible break in recording]. Shri Mataji: Are you here for the first time? These are all old people. Out of you, those who [UNCLEAR] see the value. Did you come before? Did you? You felt the vibrations in the hand? Did you? I am asking her. You, you - I am asking her. Did you? You felt them nicely, isn’t it? Now, what about you? Are you feeling now? Cool in the hands? Good. Now just your hands towards Me like this, all of you. Hello, she is realised already, please see. Are you feeling good? Yes. What are you feeling? Warm. You feel warm. That’s all right. Just have faith. Just have little, not much, all right? You don’t feel I am a crook, do you? It’s all right then? Done? All of them? What is? [UNCLEAR]. What about you? Nothing? Have you been to some guru? No one. Have you been keeping all right, health-wise? Are you feeling nothing? Put your feet on the ground like that. Just you have to work it. Put it off now. [Break in audio, resumes at another point]. Shri Mataji: …some idea that there is some God. And also we know that He is reflected in us, in our heart aspect as Atma as Spirit. Now, when we know about the three channels that are working within us, of Mahakali, Mahalaxmi and Mahasaraswati, the three powers of Ida, Pingala and Sushumna, which create the subconscious, preconscious and the conscious mind are working in our consciousness. That means we are conscious of them. We are conscious of our left and right that is Ida and Pingala. Sympathetic nervous system. We are not conscious of the parasympathetic. We can increase the rate of our breathing but we cannot decrease. A decrease or what we call lowering down of the rate is done by parasympathetic. So the parasympathetic is active but we are not conscious of it in the sense that we have no control over it. The Spirit that is God which is reflected in us resides in the heart. The manifestation of Spirit in our heart controls the parasympathetic. But this Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty in our heart, as if in a mirror. And Divine Love which is the light of God is reflected in us through the reflection of the Spirit as the unconscious mind. So within us, there is an area about which we are not conscious. That is why it is called as unconscious. That area lies so far away from our conscious mind that we cannot control it. We are not conscious of it. But it acts through parasympathetic activity. How it acts - I will give a simile. Supposing there is a power work somewhere and it is acting through this light over here. You don’t see the power work or the factory wherever the power is seen. What you see is the manifestation here. And you see the light. But suppose you do not see the light, nor the lamp nor the factory. But you are affected by it. That is the situation of a human being. A normal human being who is not a realised soul is not aware of that factory which is God or the light he has got. He is not aware of the lamp that he has got in his heart. And he is also not aware of the light that the lamp is emitting. But it is acting. So the unconscious mind is nothing but the projection of God’s will through the light of Divine Love. I have given this simile again and again which is very good and apt. That these two powers within us - one on the left and one on the right-hand side are there and we are conscious of them and we use them. Out of them the right we use it in absolute awareness. Left one we know is used as subconscious mind and sometimes if you take drugs or use something like that, then you go to your subconscious also. So you can become aware of the subconscious area also. So you become - you are aware of the right-hand side already and you are aware of the subconscious sometimes when you try to get aware of it. So these two powers that are within us are all the time vibrating in a way. And the points at which they meet, they create the throb. So you can say the centre. The centre is created, a deity is created. But there is no light for us to see or to feel or to be conscious of the deity itself. Deities are fast asleep. When the Kundalini rises - Kundalini is the subconscious. You will be surprised that Kundalini is the Mahakali power. She is absolutely pure, in the purest form. Because she is not heat(?). Because you can say part of the [UNCLEAR/kidneys] within us, part of the subconscious - sort of we have kept some water separately. Which we have not used so far. So, first of all, we use the subconscious water and the preconscious water. And by…we dirty it. Then this stored up power rises and does the last cleansing. But when she rises, she creates a third current. Still, that third current, when she rises doesn’t have the light. But when she reaches the Sahasrara and pierces it, then it becomes one with the Universal Consciousness. Because what is God? Is the one who controls the Universal Consciousness. He is the controller of the Universal Consciousness. He emits the light. And when this Kundalini rises, it gets that [UNCLEAR] on it. Now all the deities get awakened. Now, you may say that it is in the heart, Mataji, you are saying; you are saying it is here. Is confusion you can say. But actually, it is all-pervading faith you can say - God is the nucleus in the factory. It has the light all over and is reflected in the heart. So when your Kundalini, a particular individual Kundalini touches that, then this light is emitted. Then the heart, in the heart the Spirit is ignited. Or sort of it manifests, it projects. And its projections are these vibrations. So through this, you know the will of God. Through this, you have a dialogue with Him and you understand what He wants. And what does He want you to know? There are three qualities of God which you can feel through this. One, what is the Truth. You ask any question. If you are asking for something and if it is yes, then you get too many vibrations. If it is no, vibrations will lower down. That is how you can verify what is right and what is wrong. What is the truth, what is not the truth. Now you can know. Nobody has to tell you. You don’t need the clergyman or anybody to certify - is there, through your vibrations - you can feel it; this is the truth or not. Is it the correct place you have come to or the wrong one? There is also various combinations and permutations of the diseases. It is true but still, there’s a little point which is wrong with you. For example, if you say that Christ was resurrected in person - yes, it is true. You will get more vibrations. But if you feel now, that if you say, “Is it Mataji, the Mother of Christ?”, if you do not accept it - you will not get it any further. [UNCLEAR]. That is how you understand the truth. Now once you understand the truth and if you are identified with it - it is a very difficult thing for the mind; the Western mind as far as I know. Immediately what you get is the second quality of God is joy. The second quality of the Unconscious is joy. You should hear some of the letters that people write to Me. [UNCLEAR]. For Indians, it is very easy to recognise Me. You see, because they do not see only a side, they know Me throughout, you see. Immediately they know the One who raises the Kundalini, One when they fall at My feet and the Kundalini rises, finished. That’s the sign. No problem. For them no problem. So they accept it very fast. But in these ego-oriented societies, it is very difficult. So they do not accept. The problems are there. But once if you start identifying with the truth and start accepting. Just think you are sitting before Me and who am I? Just think of that. Who am I sitting down before? Just say “I am that”. Then see the joy. See the waves of joy just [UNCLEAR]. But this truth is not easily identified. If it is identified, then you get the second thing which is known as joy. Now the third quality of joy is attention. Means that He is attention. Can you understand that? In English, it is very difficult. But what I am saying is, wherever He is, He is attention. Now how do you explain it? For example, I am sitting down here. I am not paying any attention to him, but I am attention. It flows. Like the water. You put it somewhere. Wherever there is a lowward area, it will flow there. Water doesn’t do it. Its nature is such that it flows through that. In the same way, I am not paying conscious attention. But if you pray to Me, it will happen. But you should receive My attention in the sense that My attention should penetrate into your [UNCLEAR/self first]. If you are false, it will not act. Because it understands. The attention understands everything that you are. It is like a computer. Even faster than that. Supposing My hand is here. And you prick Me with a pin. Immediately My hand will go away like that. Immediately. Even before you have pricked Me, My hand will - if I see. If My attention is on My hand, all the muscles will act and take it away - immediately, from there. In the same way, you can say, much bigger than that is the attention of God. And it starts acting through you. Anybody you want to think of, you just think of - and it acts. It spreads. It spreads. You can attend to your relations. You can think about your mother, you can think about your father; you can attend to that. Then you rise like this. Then you grow higher and higher and higher. Then the whole personality becomes nothing but attention. Is the same thing. Is the same thing expressed in three ways. Is the same thing. That when your attention is everywhere, you are joy. Because your attention will receive the joy, because you are Truth, that’s why you are joy, because nothing but Truth can give you joy. Falsehood can never give you joy. For the time being, you will be happy or unhappy. But joy is a thing which never changes its quality. It's not a duality, it's one. Many people say like this, “I am very happy”. That’s not the joy. It is joy. It cannot be described. Just think supposing I am that. Because for Me, still “I am a supposing”. Just think of that. If so, [UNCLEAR]. If acting in you, it's excited in you. It's the ocean of Truth, Joy and Attention. And you get that. The way you are joyous, I am also joyous. The way you are standing on the Truth, I am also standing on the Truth. The way you are paying attention, I am also paying attention. You just [UNCLEAR] take somebody's name. Immediately you will get the indication on the hand. Without attention, it is not coming there. But the attention you are not conscious of it. It just works. Because God is giving you his Attention Himself. He pays attention to everything. You are talking to somebody, “Oh, I just thought it”. Why? “Because that has got this trouble”. Immediately God indicates - why? Because He is so attentive. These are the three qualities of God which have manifested and that is the nature of the Unconscious within us. Now it is for us to rise. First of all, to know the truth. Now rationally you know. Rationally you know that there is something about Mataji, definitely, there is. But emotionally you cannot integrate. Some people know Me emotionally but rationally they cannot integrate. Try to integrate more. Start thinking by your heart and loving by your brain. Then it acts. Tell your brain to think of all the ways of loving. How do you express your love to someone in words? Start off. Just say a few words. Just now he said something - “Hail Mary’s Grace”. From here and here and here, it just started going. Only that “Hail” itself is a great [UNCLEAR]. See now, only this word - how much vibrations. It's so simple. Nothing so complicated as the psychologists make. Absolutely it is very simple. But when the Kundalini rises she does the simple job. She is kept there for that. She knows the job. She is aware. She knows Me very well. Of course, she is kept there only for this when you have to meet Me. She works it out. And she is wondering what’s wrong with these children. Why don’t they understand? This is the nature of the Unconscious. That is why we say it is unconscious because we are not conscious of it. But not with you people anymore. You are conscious of it. You are conscious of it. Not only that but you know all the things. What is this, what are all the fingers. Now think of it from God’s point of view. It's all right from a human point of view, you always [UNCLEAR] - but think from His point of view. He wants to evolve you people. To a higher state. You must realise with all your intelligence that still you have not reached that point from where you can say it is completed now. You have not met that power which is described - “Let it be” - and it happens. So there is something transition is still there, you have to achieve that point. That is true? All right. That means you are still unconscious of some things that you have not known so far. You have to evolve. Now, what is the God’s position? Supposing He has been evolving you throughout. Now at this stage when He has given you all the freedom, and like madcaps, you are trying to do something trivial. For example, a mother who allows her child to be free and the child is trying to put the fingers in the socket. She just has to come and tell, “No, don’t do that. That will give you burns”. She has to tell. God has to tell you. And how is He going to tell you? He has to have a mouth. He has to learn English. He has to talk to you. He has to have hands like this. Then, otherwise how is He is going to tell? The human mind has so fallen that they think that if you are helped monetarily, “Oh, God is with me”. Is he your servant that he is in your pocket? “Oh, God was very kind to me. Yesterday I went there, He was very kind to me”. But how do you say it was God or what has helped you? How do you know? Everybody thinks God is their servant standing at the door. “Oh God, do this thing for me, give job to me, please give job to another person. Oh God, will look after me. Give me food, everything. Oh God, let us win the war against this and do this and protect”. All sorts of things are done in the name of God. But whether the gentleman is there or not is not known. So the gentleman has to take a face and a mouth to talk to you. To tell you about these subtleties. They are subtle but not difficult. They are spiritual. But when He takes the body, it’s a big dilemma for Him. He takes the body, people say, “How can it be?”. First of all, they do not believe in themselves that they can face. That He can come. First of all. They themselves are suffering from an inferiority complex. And they cannot think how can He be a human being just like us. But if He is clever enough, He can make a drama out of it. He can copy you better than you can copy God. That is what human beings cannot understand. That He can do everything, all types of things and whatever you are doing also is done through His help. But depends on His attention you see. Just now His attention is on one thing. Throughout the world, He wants in the humans awakening. Sahaja Yoga to be established. First of all, let people feel the vibrations. Otherwise, what am I going to talk to them and what are you going to do with that? So this is the only attention working now. There is no miracle, nothing. Have your realisation first of all. No resurrections, no crucifixion, nothing any more. You just have, all of you, your vibrations. Correct them. That’s all. You keep the light ready. And that’s how you enlighten the light. Now you may say, “In His light, why should we enlighten our part?”. His light (is) for Himself. You see, a potter who makes pots makes small little lights also, lamps. He makes lamps. He is light Himself but He makes lamps. Small, small lamps. Then He fills with wick, oil. Then He picks a wick of Kundalini. Then He fills it. When such light fills His heart, gets reflected. He wants to see His reflection. [End of tape].

5/1/1978

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Letter to Delhi yogis

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Letter to Delhi Sahaja Yogis, London, May 1978. Dear Sahaj Yogis of Delhi Your loving letters put me in the same plight as after worship, every pore of the body oozes out the chaitanya. It gives me great pleasure to learn that you all are engrossed in your sadhana.A mother only wishes dear children should stand on their own and that her acquire their own wealth. So long as this does not happen, our life will have no fulfillment in spite of (in the midst) all achievements. No Sadhana becomes possible without turning within (inward) we should speak of only that in which lies our ultimate wellbeing and piety. What else is there to achieve in the human life except God?Sahaj Yoga is an unparalleled discovery. The entire humanity will have to be acquainted with Sahaj Yoga in the same manner as a scientific invention is made known to all, only an individual makesan invention but he extends its benefits to the entire mankind. This is the way of man. Another thing is that an inventor can work only on the basis of the knowledge accumulated in the past. Similarly the day has now come when, after several past revelation man has been brought within the horizons of his goal. But when we enter this beautiful shrine we should not forgot those steps which have led us to it. The builder of those steps which have led us to it. The builder of those steps and the maker of this shrine are one and the same.When we say God is one it does not mean that he is an inanimate monolith like the Govardhan mountain. The one who is the source of life cannot be lifeless. When a human being assumes variousroles for different function such as mother, sister, brother and father, what innumerable manifestation the God must be living.God has revealed to us all the things so that we take to worship and meditation. In the west the people have ample free time. Itis on account of this excessive free time that people get completely bored with their empty life and commit suicide. These days so many people are taking recourse to self-annihilation. But through Sahaj Yoga they can find the meaning of life. Man can get contentment only in the perfection of life. Because no one really dies. Only the earthing sheath of the human being is cast away as we cut out our nails. All the rest remains. The unsatisfied should go to the world of the dead and wander as spirits making the lives of themselves and others miserable. One should, therefore, obtain the satiety of Sahaj Yoga and should commend it so that it grows.What is unconscious, you know well and you are benefited by it. But you do not yet full trust it. It feels offended by this lack of faith and its attention is diverted from you. Therefore rejoice in excellent revelation and sing into praise. There lies your good. Who waxes ignorant even after knowing and who becomes blind even after seeing will remain deprived of God’s grace from birth to birth. God is pleased with the innocence of his children not with their cleverness. He knows there all.Therefore again and again, I say “grow in your inwardness.”Ever remembering youMOTHER NIRMALA

Letter to Delhi Sahaja Yogis, London, May 1978. Dear Sahaj Yogis of Delhi Your loving letters put me in the same plight as after worship, every pore of the body oozes out the chaitanya. It gives me great pleasure to learn that you all are engrossed in your sadhana.A mother only wishes dear children should stand on their own and that her acquire their own wealth. So long as this does not happen, our life will have no fulfillment in spite of (in the midst) all achievements. No Sadhana becomes possible without turning within (inward) we should speak of only that in which lies our ultimate wellbeing and piety. What else is there to achieve in the human life except God?Sahaj Yoga is an unparalleled discovery. The entire humanity will have to be acquainted with Sahaj Yoga in the same manner as a scientific invention is made known to all, only an individual makesan invention but he extends its benefits to the entire mankind. This is the way of man. Another thing is that an inventor can work only on the basis of the knowledge accumulated in the past. Similarly the day has now come when, after several past revelation man has been brought within the horizons of his goal. But when we enter this beautiful shrine we should not forgot those steps which have led us to it. The builder of those steps which have led us to it. The builder of those steps and the maker of this shrine are one and the same.When we say God is one it does not mean that he is an inanimate monolith like the Govardhan mountain. The one who is the source of life cannot be lifeless. When a human being assumes variousroles for different function such as mother, sister, brother and father, what innumerable manifestation the God must be living.God has revealed to us all the things so that we take to worship and meditation. In the west the people have ample free time. Itis on account of this excessive free time that people get completely bored with their empty life and commit suicide. These days so many people are taking recourse to self-annihilation. But through Sahaj Yoga they can find the meaning of life. Man can get contentment only in the perfection of life. Because no one really dies. Only the earthing sheath of the human being is cast away as we cut out our nails. All the rest remains. The unsatisfied should go to the world of the dead and wander as spirits making the lives of themselves and others miserable. One should, therefore, obtain the satiety of Sahaj Yoga and should commend it so that it grows.What is unconscious, you know well and you are benefited by it. But you do not yet full trust it. It feels offended by this lack of faith and its attention is diverted from you. Therefore rejoice in excellent revelation and sing into praise. There lies your good. Who waxes ignorant even after knowing and who becomes blind even after seeing will remain deprived of God’s grace from birth to birth. God is pleased with the innocence of his children not with their cleverness. He knows there all.Therefore again and again, I say “grow in your inwardness.”Ever remembering youMOTHER NIRMALA

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Rationalism, Emotionalism And Wisdom

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"Rationalism, Emotionalism And Wisdom”, Caxton Hall, London, 12 June 1978. …Then what can rationality do? There must be some reason for having rationality in us [and] why God has given us rationality. He doesn’t waste his diamonds like that! Rationality gives us the sense to understand that we cannot reach there through rationality. Because unless and until this thing happens to you, you are not going to believe in it. You are not going to believe in it that, this rationality, on which we depend, which is our support, which is we; we all the time think that our identification is complete with rationality. And we are very rational and we are proud of our rationality also. So then, you reach a point, through rationality, where you understand that this is not the horse which will be useful any further. This is the use of rationality! One way it takes you to that culminating point where you think it is to be discarded or cannot be depended upon. On the other side rationality gives you a view which can be related later on, when you get the experience. You start understanding why rationality was failing you. So, it's a teacher on a negative way. It’s a teacher on a negative way. But it is essential because man was given freedom and he started using his freedom, he started using his rationality. When he reaches that point then he starts depending on his wisdom. And wisdom is the balance between his emotionality and rationality, in the centre of it, between his heart and his mind. It is a centre somewhere there, in the central, or you say in the fulcrum. So, if you are too much on the emotionality, or too much on the rationality, you have to move further into the centre and balance it at a point, then only you are in wisdom, and that’s how you rise within yourself. Any extreme behaviour, on the left or the right, or dependence, is not going to help you. This you can understand through even emotionality. A person who is very emotional, he sort of ‘loves’ someone, loves, you see; and he goes ahead with sincerity after that love, and he gets into infatuation. And then he realises, “Oh! This is not joy. How did I fail?” So he says, “I have a broken heart.” It’s better that he realises that. So he turns to his head. But he turns to his head to such an extreme that he gives up his broken heart completely. It is in the centre, in the centre of your heart and your brain, lies this fulcrum point. Rationality and emotionality are two extremes, but in the centre of it. So, wisdom is an abstract word. What is wisdom? You ask somebody, “Is it wisdom?” “This is wisdom? That is wisdom?” Then how do you understand the wisdom? By discarding, by saying, “No, this is not wisdom,” “This is not wisdom,” “This cannot be wisdom.” Here you use both your emotionality and your rationality, when you start deciding that this is true. That’s why I said these are negative teachers: in the sense that they drive you towards positivity. In the sense that they drive you towards the Reality. They teach you that this is not the correct thing. Take any one of your ‘political enterprises’, as I would call them, ‘political institutions’ as you call them: take communism, take capitalism, take all these sorts of isms that you have all around. All experiments, all your political experiments, which you have found through your rational approaches - they cannot give you a solution. Democracy fails, communism also fails. Any other monarchy fails. In the same way demonocracy also fails. Everything fails! Then you realise that, “Is there any truth in going through these things?” “Is this the way we are going to reach anywhere?” Then you start understanding that, “No, no. We all have made some mistakes somewhere.” But this is not possible for people who are running the race. [For those] who are running the race it is not possible. For example, I cannot talk to bureaucrats - impossible - because they are holding, they are carrying the bags. So, some are democratic some are communistic, I don't know what sort of whims they have. So these big Johnnies are not going to listen to us. No, they cannot! Because for them that is identified. To them that, what they call, is a ‘perfect’ political institution, is the whole of life, and everybody must come to it! That's why, when these different ideologies and different isms start flowering you find that they have not yet reached any flowering and they just shrivel up, they lose their existence, because rationality doesn’t give you that complete picture. It doesn’t give you the complete idea as to how far man can progress with rationality and how far he is going to achieve the result. What is the result? What do we expect? Is to have joy. But any democracies or any communistic countries or any despotic countries, anywhere you go, you will find the people have no joy; they have forgotten how to even smile! You have give them an injection to make them laugh! So, this rationality gives us an understanding that all our endeavours or all our enterprises which have been brought forth through rationality are not fulfilling. They show us something but finish off, wither away. Same with our emotionality like we have, we have ‘faith’ in God. You have faith in God, so anybody who says, “I am God” people run after such a person. There are many who are crazied like that! The other day only, I was watching a TV show where they showed a man who said, “I am Christ” and he was the follower of Hitler. And he was killing people and he was doing all kinds of things and he had a big following! And the people were crying and weeping for him when he was facing his trial. One cannot explain these things, how these things happen. How can God be that poorly? And how could people who are talking about God could be like this? Because they play on the emotionality of the people. They think, “Oh I feel very fine”. “I have seen many of these people to come in,” “Oh I feel very fine in his company, that guru met me,” “Oh I feel very happy here!” What did he do? How do you feel fine? What does it appeal to you? It is such a subtle type of diversion from the Reality. It’s such a subtle type, that you cannot even make out. Specially rational people cannot, they are befooled the first! The so called ego-oriented people are befooled the first with emotionality. To them anybody who comes with emotions - stands up with very big emotions and tears in the eyes and shouts at the loud speaker and, as if he is just going to die with the pangs, or something like that (laughing) - appeals so much [to them]. Because that's the balance for their rational minds, that they fall a trap. So this kind of a emotionality also can go to another extreme of madness! Like you have seen people singing songs of separation with God. It sickens me sometimes the way it is done. It’s sickening! I don't know how people like it. The other day we had that musician who came to me, so I said, “You sing me a song”, he said “What type of song, Mother, You want to hear?” I said, “Sing us some song of joy”. “Song of joy?” He was lost! He said, “They have produced no song of joy for the last twenty years in this country anywhere!” None of them in the English society or the Western people. I said, “No song of joy?” He picked up something somewhere, and which also had a string of crying and weeping in it. I said, “Now there is no absolute joy anywhere!” Just think of it! The emotionality has reached to such an extent that you have lost all praise of joy, completely. So, we cannot depend on that kind of an emotionality that - in the church, you go and somebody stands on the pulpit and says, “Oh, I am like that!” with all the vibrating sounds and all that drama of emotionality. And you say “Oh! What a thing! Oh I was very happy!” If such a thing is accepted in life, I can tell you, be rest assured, that when such a thing appeals to you, you must know that you are not facing the Reality at all. You are not prepared to face the Reality. You do not want to face it! You might give any excuse about it. You might identify yourself as, “Oh, I am too much of a rational person. I am too rational, I cannot accept this. This is beyond me, I just can’t!” or you may even say, “I am English, bit too English I cannot accept it!” Or somebody may say that, “I am too much of an Indian, I cannot accept this kind of a thing.” But when you say you are an Indian, first of all, you are misidentified and secondly you are misidentifying with one extreme or the other extreme. So before starting about your seeking, you have to understand yourself - which extreme you are standing. Very important it is. Very important it is to understand this part, “Where do I stand before I ask for Self-realisation?” The another thing about Self-realisation [which] is very important, specially in the Western mind, which I must tell you - I say ‘Western’ because Eastern have not yet gone to that end of rationality, that’s why - that, one has to understand that we are asking for Truth; and Truth is not going to fall at your feet. It is not a clinic opened out here where you have paid the money and you go to the doctor and tell him, “Do I have fever despite the fact [that] you gave me medicine?” And you report to him that, “What is this? I paid you ten pounds and nothing has happened to me so far, what about my excuse?” You cannot demand from the Truth anything like that. Now this is difficult for a Western mind to understand! To me also they treat in the same manner! While I’m just good at receiving something. So I must warn you, nobody is going to fall at your feet or run after you that you get your Self-realisation. No. That absolutely must be understood by all of you. You cannot purchase it. You cannot pay for it. You cannot control it. You cannot ask for it. It is the grace which has to work it out, which human beings cannot understand, you see. We have never done like that, we have never seen like that. Everything is a shopping with us. So our shopping style of mind has to be changed a little. We are not shopping God. There is no shopping involved. Whenever I meet people I find this attitude in them. As if you have gone to the river Ganges to fill up your bucket and the bucket, instead of putting from the side where there is the place for the water to enter in, you are putting from the other side. And then you say, “How is it Mother I didn't get it? There must be some fake about you.” “Yes and there is. So please give me up!” It is difficult because we are used to pampering. Even doctors pamper you; they tell us lies. Even if there is nothing wrong, they give medicinal water injection to say you are sick. Because they have to do their business! Everybody pampers you, tells lies. But here there's no question [of that]. There's no need to be pampered. You must know that those who pamper you, will never heal you. They are doing it because they want to make money out of you. They want to befool you. They want to take advantage of you. They will never tell you the truth. Why should they? If they tell you the Truth you will never pay them money because Truth cannot be purchased through money. They will never say this. They’ll pay attention to your purse, to your position. They are not bothered as to say that the human race has reached a stage where it has to jump, it has to breakthrough. It has to get into that collective consciousness. It has to become that. It’s an important thing. That is most important thing. They are very low people, but they appeal to you because they appeal to your baser self. Even rationality is a baser self in man, take it from me. Through rationality you can do all kinds of baser things. Too much rationality can give you ideas [of] how to plan, how to rob a bank. What perfect plan is this? How to rob a bank, how to kill a President, how to disturb somebody who is doing something good. It’s a fact that they do this through rationality. And people wade through all that without feeling any compunction of their conscience or anything - “So what?” So even rationality, if somebody appeals to you for God, you should know you are misled. Because [it’s] very nice to pamper your ego, “Oh, what an intelligent man [you are]! You know, you are very intelligent!” - damned forever! “Oh, you are very well read!” - damned forever. Never believe it. You cannot read the Truth in the books. You cannot understand God through your brains. If you have such ideas, you cannot get to Him. How much was the reading of our Lord Jesus Christ? How many professorships He had? What school He went to? And all the saints of the world with him, any one of them, how much did they study? So keep away your rationality, outside there, just like your shoes! Be humble. This of course doesn't appeal because rationality pampers the ego and the ego is a big balloon, you see. You press it from one side from the other side it comes again. But I am quite clever and I am a Mother. I am a Mother, so I know how get it down slowly. You are not your ego by any chance. You are neither your superego. You are joy. You are eternal. You have lost it so please find it. And don’t dwell upon these out of date ideas. I pamper you, but on Reality, on Reality and not on something that is falsehood. You must have seen in the history that whenever a great sage came a great incarnation came on this Earth, they could not talk to intellectual people. Kabirdas, again I would say, who was a very outspoken fellow, very outspoken, he says, “Padhi, padhi pandita moorakha bhai,” meaning that, “By reading the learned became damn fools!” And the Hindi poets, even today, criticise him that his language was very vulgar, was very rude; [that] he was very a crude person. They call him ‘satukari’. Whatever you may say but he said the Truth. And this is the big Himalayan task for you, I can tell you this much. With all the rational people you have trying to solve the problem. Everybody very ‘capable’. They will talk like this “I believe”. Now what do you believe? What do you know? Big things, you know! “I believe that this should be done!” Big things! Lectures! What do you know? Do you know that not even a leaf can move by your beliefs and faiths and by your talking and jabbering and breathing. Nothing! It is He. It is He who moves everything in this world. It is He who manages, organises. It is He who looks after each and everything, and it is He who has created you and He who has created this great Universe. It is not you or your, this, stupid rationality. Please try, please try to understand. Because I want you to find that which is joy, which is very beautiful, which is great. And the time has come, the time has come. You will find it. The time has come. But in your freedom you have developed such a big balloon in your heads! Rather difficult sometimes to take it down. And the Divine plays tricks with such people, lots of tricks. And such people do not get what they want. You cannot ask God to get crystallised in your own moulds! You have to accept Him as He is. Just as He is. You have to just say, “Lord, we can’t [do it]. Now, let us just enter into Your Kingdom. Let us see for ourselves what is it like.” Come with an open mind. But you cannot just command that, “We know this is not the kingdom of God!” and, “That is not the kingdom of God!” and, “This is not the Truth!” You see for yourself. Humble down! Have you found Him so far? The other day somebody came to me, he said that, “I want to meet God. I don’t want Self-realisation!” As if they have voted for Him and elected Him as their God! You want to meet God? Who are you? Very simple question I am asking. How do you demand? What have you done? Do you deserve Him? Why should God meet you? First of all you yourself must be clear, in that mirror only you can meet the God. “What I want” is not the point, because we have seen in the BBC people go round on the streets and ask them questions, “Now, what do you say? What do you say? What do you have to say? What do you have to say?” It’s alright for political elections or if you have to sell some materials. But for God your opinion does not matter. It is the opinion of God that matters and not your opinion about Him. It is His grace, it is His kindness, it is His compassion. It is His understanding about you which matters. And that is why, everywhere, whether in religion, or in politics or anywhere, we are nowhere near Truth, nowhere near. You go to a church: Oh God! It's a headache. We go to a temple: another headache. In Indian temples these days they are selling hashish! And here in the church, that day I went, I found they were, all the girls and boys, were dressed up to attract each other and that's what they were doing! And nobody was interested in God or anything! As if they have gone to some discotheque or some sort of a club there. So, this kind of attitude doesn’t help . It’s a very great thing to achieve your Self-realisation, no doubt. It has been made easy because of modern times. It had to be, as you could never go to the Sun or the moon, you could never think of moon, you could never, even see what was on the Sun. Now you know what is happening to Sun, you can reach the moon; you can land there. This has happened only [in the] last fifty years. Everything has happened so quickly, dramatically! Fifty years back nobody could even think of going to moon. And hence, Self-realisation has become now an en-masse phenomenon. But it is not cheap. It is not vulgar. It is not sellable. It has its own dignity and its own protocol. The person who is proud of his rationality, or of his intellect, or of his wealth, let him stay where he is. He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. The one who is proud of His Father, the one who is proud of His God, and the one who knows that He looks after us, every moment, every time, will be saved. My Grandmother used to tell me a story, that there is different talk of religion and to be in religion. And then she told me a story of a man she said that he believed in God, and that was the truth for him. That was his truth. So, one day, he found a man - of course it’s a story - going to meet God. So he asked, “You are going to see God. Will you do me a favour?” He said, “Yes, what can I do?” He was lying just on the side of the road, one side and he was saying, “You see, you go and tell God that, I am little hungry these days. You better arrange for my food.” He said, “What?” He said, “You just go and tell him.” He said, “Look at this man! He is just ordering God that he should give him food!” Then he went further on and through the forest he was passing. He saw one yogi, standing on his head with all his stomach inside, all bones showing off and as if now going to collapse into a very frantic state of devotion. So he asked… (break in tape) That's why you must have Realisation. Because then you start feeling the vibrations, you start feeling the different centres, you start practising them. Then you settle down with the Truth and you know it is the Truth. Then you forget [that] you are a Westerner, Easterner, you forget you are rational, you are emotional - nothing! You become a citizen of God and a citizen of His Kingdom. Because you start enjoying the powers. And the power doesn't mean oppression, it means love: the enjoyment of love of God. It doesn't mean sex and the nonsense of that. It means the love of God, which is so pure, a joy-giving and blissful thing, which makes you one with the Collective Being. But a person has to get out of his limited sphere and limited ideas and limited things: ideas that he has formed about others and about the surroundings and all that. Just that is all maya, is illusion! The Reality is only God Almighty, the rest is all illusion. And you must know this illusion when it ends, you are amazed that, “This illusion, how can it be?” How it works! It’s dynamic. Then you start enjoying the beauty of His grace and you start seeing it. And you are amazed at yourself that, you were this, so great and you are this, now that you have seen. I wish to all the new people good luck. Let’s see how it works out. So, please take out your shoes if you don't mind. You have to put your feet, little bit to the Mother Earth also. She helps us. We are made of Mother Earth, that element is within us. And I told one lady to take out her shoes; she wouldn't even take out her shoes! The another fellow says, “I don't believe in any rituals.” Now what is a ritual? I mean if you need an operation, I need to move my hands or not? Isn't it? I mean such demanding people I tell you! One day somebody might come with a hunter in his hand I think here, demanding for Self-realisation! “Are you going to give me or not?” (Laughing) It is so funny sometimes! Shri Mataji: So, How are you Anna? How are you Aaah? You must get Kabir some time here, I am dying to see him. Yogini: I’ve brought a friend Mother Shri Mataji: This lady? She’s good. She’s very good. You have such sweet nice friends I must say. I mean, they say, “Birds of a feather flock together,” in the same way. Anna is another beautiful person, she’s a born-realised soul. And such people are really very good. She was misled by someone but when I told her, she was a little bit shocked, and then she was alright, because she’s a born-realised, she has a much more power to understand the Truth. But even if you are not doesn't make any difference. You can make wonderful yourself. You need to know your own self. She has a son who is very much dynamic, Kabir, he’s very wonderful and very wise. Now, should we? Have your hands like this. (tape ends)

"Rationalism, Emotionalism And Wisdom”, Caxton Hall, London, 12 June 1978. …Then what can rationality do? There must be some reason for having rationality in us [and] why God has given us rationality. He doesn’t waste his diamonds like that! Rationality gives us the sense to understand that we cannot reach there through rationality. Because unless and until this thing happens to you, you are not going to believe in it. You are not going to believe in it that, this rationality, on which we depend, which is our support, which is we; we all the time think that our identification is complete with rationality. And we are very rational and we are proud of our rationality also. So then, you reach a point, through rationality, where you understand that this is not the horse which will be useful any further. This is the use of rationality! One way it takes you to that culminating point where you think it is to be discarded or cannot be depended upon. On the other side rationality gives you a view which can be related later on, when you get the experience. You start understanding why rationality was failing you. So, it's a teacher on a negative way. It’s a teacher on a negative way. But it is essential because man was given freedom and he started using his freedom, he started using his rationality. When he reaches that point then he starts depending on his wisdom. And wisdom is the balance between his emotionality and rationality, in the centre of it, between his heart and his mind. It is a centre somewhere there, in the central, or you say in the fulcrum. So, if you are too much on the emotionality, or too much on the rationality, you have to move further into the centre and balance it at a point, then only you are in wisdom, and that’s how you rise within yourself. Any extreme behaviour, on the left or the right, or dependence, is not going to help you. This you can understand through even emotionality. A person who is very emotional, he sort of ‘loves’ someone, loves, you see; and he goes ahead with sincerity after that love, and he gets into infatuation. And then he realises, “Oh! This is not joy. How did I fail?” So he says, “I have a broken heart.” It’s better that he realises that. So he turns to his head. But he turns to his head to such an extreme that he gives up his broken heart completely. It is in the centre, in the centre of your heart and your brain, lies this fulcrum point. Rationality and emotionality are two extremes, but in the centre of it. So, wisdom is an abstract word. What is wisdom? You ask somebody, “Is it wisdom?” “This is wisdom? That is wisdom?” Then how do you understand the wisdom? By discarding, by saying, “No, this is not wisdom,” “This is not wisdom,” “This cannot be wisdom.” Here you use both your emotionality and your rationality, when you start deciding that this is true. That’s why I said these are negative teachers: in the sense that they drive you towards positivity. In the sense that they drive you towards the Reality. They teach you that this is not the correct thing. Take any one of your ‘political enterprises’, as I would call them, ‘political institutions’ as you call them: take communism, take capitalism, take all these sorts of isms that you have all around. All experiments, all your political experiments, which you have found through your rational approaches - they cannot give you a solution. Democracy fails, communism also fails. Any other monarchy fails. In the same way demonocracy also fails. Everything fails! Then you realise that, “Is there any truth in going through these things?” “Is this the way we are going to reach anywhere?” Then you start understanding that, “No, no. We all have made some mistakes somewhere.” But this is not possible for people who are running the race. [For those] who are running the race it is not possible. For example, I cannot talk to bureaucrats - impossible - because they are holding, they are carrying the bags. So, some are democratic some are communistic, I don't know what sort of whims they have. So these big Johnnies are not going to listen to us. No, they cannot! Because for them that is identified. To them that, what they call, is a ‘perfect’ political institution, is the whole of life, and everybody must come to it! That's why, when these different ideologies and different isms start flowering you find that they have not yet reached any flowering and they just shrivel up, they lose their existence, because rationality doesn’t give you that complete picture. It doesn’t give you the complete idea as to how far man can progress with rationality and how far he is going to achieve the result. What is the result? What do we expect? Is to have joy. But any democracies or any communistic countries or any despotic countries, anywhere you go, you will find the people have no joy; they have forgotten how to even smile! You have give them an injection to make them laugh! So, this rationality gives us an understanding that all our endeavours or all our enterprises which have been brought forth through rationality are not fulfilling. They show us something but finish off, wither away. Same with our emotionality like we have, we have ‘faith’ in God. You have faith in God, so anybody who says, “I am God” people run after such a person. There are many who are crazied like that! The other day only, I was watching a TV show where they showed a man who said, “I am Christ” and he was the follower of Hitler. And he was killing people and he was doing all kinds of things and he had a big following! And the people were crying and weeping for him when he was facing his trial. One cannot explain these things, how these things happen. How can God be that poorly? And how could people who are talking about God could be like this? Because they play on the emotionality of the people. They think, “Oh I feel very fine”. “I have seen many of these people to come in,” “Oh I feel very fine in his company, that guru met me,” “Oh I feel very happy here!” What did he do? How do you feel fine? What does it appeal to you? It is such a subtle type of diversion from the Reality. It’s such a subtle type, that you cannot even make out. Specially rational people cannot, they are befooled the first! The so called ego-oriented people are befooled the first with emotionality. To them anybody who comes with emotions - stands up with very big emotions and tears in the eyes and shouts at the loud speaker and, as if he is just going to die with the pangs, or something like that (laughing) - appeals so much [to them]. Because that's the balance for their rational minds, that they fall a trap. So this kind of a emotionality also can go to another extreme of madness! Like you have seen people singing songs of separation with God. It sickens me sometimes the way it is done. It’s sickening! I don't know how people like it. The other day we had that musician who came to me, so I said, “You sing me a song”, he said “What type of song, Mother, You want to hear?” I said, “Sing us some song of joy”. “Song of joy?” He was lost! He said, “They have produced no song of joy for the last twenty years in this country anywhere!” None of them in the English society or the Western people. I said, “No song of joy?” He picked up something somewhere, and which also had a string of crying and weeping in it. I said, “Now there is no absolute joy anywhere!” Just think of it! The emotionality has reached to such an extent that you have lost all praise of joy, completely. So, we cannot depend on that kind of an emotionality that - in the church, you go and somebody stands on the pulpit and says, “Oh, I am like that!” with all the vibrating sounds and all that drama of emotionality. And you say “Oh! What a thing! Oh I was very happy!” If such a thing is accepted in life, I can tell you, be rest assured, that when such a thing appeals to you, you must know that you are not facing the Reality at all. You are not prepared to face the Reality. You do not want to face it! You might give any excuse about it. You might identify yourself as, “Oh, I am too much of a rational person. I am too rational, I cannot accept this. This is beyond me, I just can’t!” or you may even say, “I am English, bit too English I cannot accept it!” Or somebody may say that, “I am too much of an Indian, I cannot accept this kind of a thing.” But when you say you are an Indian, first of all, you are misidentified and secondly you are misidentifying with one extreme or the other extreme. So before starting about your seeking, you have to understand yourself - which extreme you are standing. Very important it is. Very important it is to understand this part, “Where do I stand before I ask for Self-realisation?” The another thing about Self-realisation [which] is very important, specially in the Western mind, which I must tell you - I say ‘Western’ because Eastern have not yet gone to that end of rationality, that’s why - that, one has to understand that we are asking for Truth; and Truth is not going to fall at your feet. It is not a clinic opened out here where you have paid the money and you go to the doctor and tell him, “Do I have fever despite the fact [that] you gave me medicine?” And you report to him that, “What is this? I paid you ten pounds and nothing has happened to me so far, what about my excuse?” You cannot demand from the Truth anything like that. Now this is difficult for a Western mind to understand! To me also they treat in the same manner! While I’m just good at receiving something. So I must warn you, nobody is going to fall at your feet or run after you that you get your Self-realisation. No. That absolutely must be understood by all of you. You cannot purchase it. You cannot pay for it. You cannot control it. You cannot ask for it. It is the grace which has to work it out, which human beings cannot understand, you see. We have never done like that, we have never seen like that. Everything is a shopping with us. So our shopping style of mind has to be changed a little. We are not shopping God. There is no shopping involved. Whenever I meet people I find this attitude in them. As if you have gone to the river Ganges to fill up your bucket and the bucket, instead of putting from the side where there is the place for the water to enter in, you are putting from the other side. And then you say, “How is it Mother I didn't get it? There must be some fake about you.” “Yes and there is. So please give me up!” It is difficult because we are used to pampering. Even doctors pamper you; they tell us lies. Even if there is nothing wrong, they give medicinal water injection to say you are sick. Because they have to do their business! Everybody pampers you, tells lies. But here there's no question [of that]. There's no need to be pampered. You must know that those who pamper you, will never heal you. They are doing it because they want to make money out of you. They want to befool you. They want to take advantage of you. They will never tell you the truth. Why should they? If they tell you the Truth you will never pay them money because Truth cannot be purchased through money. They will never say this. They’ll pay attention to your purse, to your position. They are not bothered as to say that the human race has reached a stage where it has to jump, it has to breakthrough. It has to get into that collective consciousness. It has to become that. It’s an important thing. That is most important thing. They are very low people, but they appeal to you because they appeal to your baser self. Even rationality is a baser self in man, take it from me. Through rationality you can do all kinds of baser things. Too much rationality can give you ideas [of] how to plan, how to rob a bank. What perfect plan is this? How to rob a bank, how to kill a President, how to disturb somebody who is doing something good. It’s a fact that they do this through rationality. And people wade through all that without feeling any compunction of their conscience or anything - “So what?” So even rationality, if somebody appeals to you for God, you should know you are misled. Because [it’s] very nice to pamper your ego, “Oh, what an intelligent man [you are]! You know, you are very intelligent!” - damned forever! “Oh, you are very well read!” - damned forever. Never believe it. You cannot read the Truth in the books. You cannot understand God through your brains. If you have such ideas, you cannot get to Him. How much was the reading of our Lord Jesus Christ? How many professorships He had? What school He went to? And all the saints of the world with him, any one of them, how much did they study? So keep away your rationality, outside there, just like your shoes! Be humble. This of course doesn't appeal because rationality pampers the ego and the ego is a big balloon, you see. You press it from one side from the other side it comes again. But I am quite clever and I am a Mother. I am a Mother, so I know how get it down slowly. You are not your ego by any chance. You are neither your superego. You are joy. You are eternal. You have lost it so please find it. And don’t dwell upon these out of date ideas. I pamper you, but on Reality, on Reality and not on something that is falsehood. You must have seen in the history that whenever a great sage came a great incarnation came on this Earth, they could not talk to intellectual people. Kabirdas, again I would say, who was a very outspoken fellow, very outspoken, he says, “Padhi, padhi pandita moorakha bhai,” meaning that, “By reading the learned became damn fools!” And the Hindi poets, even today, criticise him that his language was very vulgar, was very rude; [that] he was very a crude person. They call him ‘satukari’. Whatever you may say but he said the Truth. And this is the big Himalayan task for you, I can tell you this much. With all the rational people you have trying to solve the problem. Everybody very ‘capable’. They will talk like this “I believe”. Now what do you believe? What do you know? Big things, you know! “I believe that this should be done!” Big things! Lectures! What do you know? Do you know that not even a leaf can move by your beliefs and faiths and by your talking and jabbering and breathing. Nothing! It is He. It is He who moves everything in this world. It is He who manages, organises. It is He who looks after each and everything, and it is He who has created you and He who has created this great Universe. It is not you or your, this, stupid rationality. Please try, please try to understand. Because I want you to find that which is joy, which is very beautiful, which is great. And the time has come, the time has come. You will find it. The time has come. But in your freedom you have developed such a big balloon in your heads! Rather difficult sometimes to take it down. And the Divine plays tricks with such people, lots of tricks. And such people do not get what they want. You cannot ask God to get crystallised in your own moulds! You have to accept Him as He is. Just as He is. You have to just say, “Lord, we can’t [do it]. Now, let us just enter into Your Kingdom. Let us see for ourselves what is it like.” Come with an open mind. But you cannot just command that, “We know this is not the kingdom of God!” and, “That is not the kingdom of God!” and, “This is not the Truth!” You see for yourself. Humble down! Have you found Him so far? The other day somebody came to me, he said that, “I want to meet God. I don’t want Self-realisation!” As if they have voted for Him and elected Him as their God! You want to meet God? Who are you? Very simple question I am asking. How do you demand? What have you done? Do you deserve Him? Why should God meet you? First of all you yourself must be clear, in that mirror only you can meet the God. “What I want” is not the point, because we have seen in the BBC people go round on the streets and ask them questions, “Now, what do you say? What do you say? What do you have to say? What do you have to say?” It’s alright for political elections or if you have to sell some materials. But for God your opinion does not matter. It is the opinion of God that matters and not your opinion about Him. It is His grace, it is His kindness, it is His compassion. It is His understanding about you which matters. And that is why, everywhere, whether in religion, or in politics or anywhere, we are nowhere near Truth, nowhere near. You go to a church: Oh God! It's a headache. We go to a temple: another headache. In Indian temples these days they are selling hashish! And here in the church, that day I went, I found they were, all the girls and boys, were dressed up to attract each other and that's what they were doing! And nobody was interested in God or anything! As if they have gone to some discotheque or some sort of a club there. So, this kind of attitude doesn’t help . It’s a very great thing to achieve your Self-realisation, no doubt. It has been made easy because of modern times. It had to be, as you could never go to the Sun or the moon, you could never think of moon, you could never, even see what was on the Sun. Now you know what is happening to Sun, you can reach the moon; you can land there. This has happened only [in the] last fifty years. Everything has happened so quickly, dramatically! Fifty years back nobody could even think of going to moon. And hence, Self-realisation has become now an en-masse phenomenon. But it is not cheap. It is not vulgar. It is not sellable. It has its own dignity and its own protocol. The person who is proud of his rationality, or of his intellect, or of his wealth, let him stay where he is. He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. The one who is proud of His Father, the one who is proud of His God, and the one who knows that He looks after us, every moment, every time, will be saved. My Grandmother used to tell me a story, that there is different talk of religion and to be in religion. And then she told me a story of a man she said that he believed in God, and that was the truth for him. That was his truth. So, one day, he found a man - of course it’s a story - going to meet God. So he asked, “You are going to see God. Will you do me a favour?” He said, “Yes, what can I do?” He was lying just on the side of the road, one side and he was saying, “You see, you go and tell God that, I am little hungry these days. You better arrange for my food.” He said, “What?” He said, “You just go and tell him.” He said, “Look at this man! He is just ordering God that he should give him food!” Then he went further on and through the forest he was passing. He saw one yogi, standing on his head with all his stomach inside, all bones showing off and as if now going to collapse into a very frantic state of devotion. So he asked… (break in tape) That's why you must have Realisation. Because then you start feeling the vibrations, you start feeling the different centres, you start practising them. Then you settle down with the Truth and you know it is the Truth. Then you forget [that] you are a Westerner, Easterner, you forget you are rational, you are emotional - nothing! You become a citizen of God and a citizen of His Kingdom. Because you start enjoying the powers. And the power doesn't mean oppression, it means love: the enjoyment of love of God. It doesn't mean sex and the nonsense of that. It means the love of God, which is so pure, a joy-giving and blissful thing, which makes you one with the Collective Being. But a person has to get out of his limited sphere and limited ideas and limited things: ideas that he has formed about others and about the surroundings and all that. Just that is all maya, is illusion! The Reality is only God Almighty, the rest is all illusion. And you must know this illusion when it ends, you are amazed that, “This illusion, how can it be?” How it works! It’s dynamic. Then you start enjoying the beauty of His grace and you start seeing it. And you are amazed at yourself that, you were this, so great and you are this, now that you have seen. I wish to all the new people good luck. Let’s see how it works out. So, please take out your shoes if you don't mind. You have to put your feet, little bit to the Mother Earth also. She helps us. We are made of Mother Earth, that element is within us. And I told one lady to take out her shoes; she wouldn't even take out her shoes! The another fellow says, “I don't believe in any rituals.” Now what is a ritual? I mean if you need an operation, I need to move my hands or not? Isn't it? I mean such demanding people I tell you! One day somebody might come with a hunter in his hand I think here, demanding for Self-realisation! “Are you going to give me or not?” (Laughing) It is so funny sometimes! Shri Mataji: So, How are you Anna? How are you Aaah? You must get Kabir some time here, I am dying to see him. Yogini: I’ve brought a friend Mother Shri Mataji: This lady? She’s good. She’s very good. You have such sweet nice friends I must say. I mean, they say, “Birds of a feather flock together,” in the same way. Anna is another beautiful person, she’s a born-realised soul. And such people are really very good. She was misled by someone but when I told her, she was a little bit shocked, and then she was alright, because she’s a born-realised, she has a much more power to understand the Truth. But even if you are not doesn't make any difference. You can make wonderful yourself. You need to know your own self. She has a son who is very much dynamic, Kabir, he’s very wonderful and very wise. Now, should we? Have your hands like this. (tape ends)

6/19/1978

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The Difference Between East & West

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The Difference Between East & West, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 19 June 1978. The problem of our Western society is this.... You see, the Eastern society has its own problems and Western society has its own problems. Basically they are two different problems, absolutely two different problems, and to discuss about the problems of the East will be of no use to you. For example, in the [Bhagavad] Gita, Shri Krishna has said that, "Yoga Kshema Vahamyaham." "I look after your yoga," means the union with God. 'Vahamyaham' means: I carry that, carry that process or I'm the person who has to do that process. And 'kshema' , kshema means the well-being, "I look after the well-being". But in India, people absolutely believe that God looks after our salvation. I mean they do believe, I mean that's the faith they have. Which is a very big advantage, they don't believe that they can do anything about it. Most of them, I mean except for a very few westernised, otherwise normally they think that is only God who is going to do it for them. In whatever way possible. He might send an Avatar, or an incarnation, or somebody who will redeem us. They don't believe that they can do anything about it, and they are right, they are very right, absolutely that's the correct attitude about things that, Yoga cannot be managed by - 'yoga' means the union - by anyone but for the grace of God. That is no doubt. Like Adi Shankaracharya has said clearly that, "Na yogye, na sankhye" (meaning: neither by yoga nor sankhya you can achieve it). By anything, by doing this, you see, acrobatic things or taking postures or doing anything, you cannot achieve your salvation. By doing any, sort of a sanyasa it is called - asceticism - you cannot achieve it. He's very clearly said it: by doing all these tricks you cannot achieve anything, but by the grace of the Mother. He believed in the Divine Mother, so he said by the grace of the Divine Mother only it will work out. Those who try to do it by themselves, will be landed themselves in the hell, and will be very hard. He has very clearly said it, but nobody reads Shankaracharya, they don't understand Him, you see. He's too high for them, they think. They don't read him. Because he is at such a plane, from where he talks, people don't understand, at all. Like that everywhere, in every religion, all great religions, all the great scriptures, this much is all, everywhere said, that, it is God who gives you the salvation. You cannot achieve it. You can be in the dharma, means you can be in the central path, you can be there, you can keep yourself clean, you can keep yourself ready, but the salvation is given by the grace of God. But Western mind is different, is differently made and has come out in a different style. The second part of kshema means 'well-being'. Well-being means He looks after your well-being: this part Indians don't believe into, at all. The first part, the Westerners do not believe into, the second part Indians do not believe in. The second part is that He looks after your well-being, He is your father. So they do all kinds of thieving, they do all kinds of ...I mean, material problems they create for themselves. And even rich people in India are quite capable of taking out black money and smuggling things and all those things. I mean they are all interested in money, absolutely in that, they have no other interest! And if you go to India, people are told that you must keep everything locked, otherwise they will be stealing your things. But it is not to that extent, but, still I would say, that people have their interest in money, all the time they are thinking, even if they come to Me they'll say, "Mother, will I get my daughter married? Will I get my house? Will I have food to eat?" All these things they ask. So their question is different from yours. Now, your first question is of your salvation, and salvation, you think you can do it! I don't know from where, which bird has come and told in your ears this thing! That we can do our evolution. It is something like a seed thinking that it can become a flower by its own effort. It becomes, but not by its own effort, but because it is built in that way. And a gardener is needed to pour water and put it right and to bring it to that stage. So this misunderstanding, I find, is responsible for people not to take to Sahaja Yoga much. A kind of a terrible obstinacy about it is there. Why? Why this thing works out, let us see now. The thing is, the whole society, as in the Eastern society and the Western society, they have a two absolutely different problems. They are based on two different sides of life. The first one perhaps because you were worshippers of surya, worshippers of the sun and you wanted to show something to the world. You wanted to show that you are nothing ??, and you had to work it out, so you started working out your problems. Your material problems you worked through science and you worked out many problems that are called , say economic problems and the worldly problems. But the one side of your life is completely neglected. In the same way, in India, we can say that, one side they worked out well, is their society, their family life, their emotional life, but the other side they neglected completely. Now, because of this loss of family, from very childhood you are being taught to be on your own. I mean, it would be something like a little leaf saying, "I will be on my own." How can you be? You are a part of a big tree! To think you are on your own, to be on your own, is wrong. You have to depend on the big tree, which is going to sustain you. Now, 'on your own' is being taught from your childhood. That may be helping your ego to be satisfied, maybe your parents have helped, maybe something happened. We have to be on our own. I have seen children of 12 years, early in the morning when we were in Oxted, in a very terrible cold, you see, our neighbour's children, quite well-to-do people, very well-to-do I should say, some of them were lords and ladies and things. Their children would come up driving on a bicycle, distributing newspapers. I was amazed! And I asked their parents, "What are you doing to your children? Such small children, young girls of 16 years, early in the morning, going about distributing the things." So the mother says, "What's wrong?" I mean, I couldn't answer the question, you see. But to an Indian mind it cannot come, because, "Oh God, a 12 year old child, early in the morning to get up and go?" It's too much to bear, to understand, to feel that your own child, which is 12 years old, has to earn for his own living, at this small age when he has to play about. That's the time for play. To be on your own, at that time, is not, that is to be on your own to play. That's the age to play, to enjoy, to see the nature. But from 12 years of age you put the child to be on his own. So he's on the bicycle, already his heart is catching. Such a strain on the heart. And then the child, what does he want? He wants to feel that somebody wants him and somebody loves him, and also pampers him a little bit. It doesn't go wrong. Nothing is going to go wrong with a child if you pamper him. It's a wrong idea, absolutely wrong idea. If you do not pamper your children, whom are you going to pamper? If you don't love and kiss your children and hug them and take them to your heart, [to] whom are you going to do it? Are you going to get a dog? And they do it! I mean, they really do it! They will have dogs and cats in their bedrooms and the husband, wife will be sleeping separately from children! It's wrong. They must be given love. They must feel they are very much wanted. They must be important, very important. While husband and wife are fighting among themselves, you see! Or the wife is a bride and the husband is a bridegroom. Even [if] he's 80 years old, he's a bridegroom! Still ready for marriage! I mean, what sort of a thing! Absurd it is! The attention is not on the children at all. The children have to get complete love from their parents, complete assurance, and a picture and a model that marriage itself is a boon. The integrity and fidelity between husband and wife, in love and harmony, gives them that feeling. But, it is not so. I don't know how it works out, that, people do not want to show their love to their children, they are afraid. Perhaps maybe somebody has brainwashed you? Our children in India, that way, take too much liberties with us. They have our keys, they can take away whatever they like. They can use any one of my saris. There's no problem. I mean, they have to do it, but then they feel responsible. They don't waste so much money as the children here do. If you keep them fulfilled, I mean they never ask for anything. But this is the basic problem: from the very childhood, to be on your own. So even in yoga you become on your own! First, the first cutting point comes here, first of all, that you really do not know how to depend on love. Only through your parents do you know what is love. So I hear many cases like this, that, the father ran away, the mother ran away, this thing happened. Now what should the poor children do? I mean, it's a very sad affair, it's a very sad thing that could happen to children, that, the parents are separated: no love. Then, you fight with your parents, you fight with your parents, get out of your families. I mean, this is another great satanic thing, I can tell you, because in the family, only, the auspiciousness and the blessings of God exist. So, you'll find faults with your mother. But on the contrary, if you tell anything to My daughter against Me, she will be be your greatest enemy, she can't tolerate, she says, "Whatever it is between me and my Mother." But even her father cannot tell her that, "This is this". So, we say our mother is bad, our father is bad, and also your psychologists teach you that, morning till evening, that, "Something wrong, Blame the mother, blame the father," so another sensation starts. Now, those people who do not have that assurance from their parents are just like orphans, believe Me! It's an orphans feeling of terrible desolation, complete desolate to feel, you feel so lost in life. I mean, mother and father are part in yourself, within you. You know that, we have seen now, in Sahaja Yoga, how we have to correct your mother and father chakras. They are within you, you cannot get rid of them! So this is one big problem is facing us is this, that, you have lacked love. Without love, the seed of human being is dwarfed, in a way. You may be, because of ego orientation, you see, this gives rise to ego. You are on your own, so, you are on your own. Big ego starts working out. "Oh, I'm going to do this, I am going to do this, I am going to be like this." The ego orientation starts, then, even when you come to spirituality, the ego orientation is there, to such a great extent, you'll be amazed. Such a great extent! The other day we had one boy, Andy Kerr(?), his friend had come and we had another American gentleman with, his legs were sort of absolutely paralysed and he was in, what do you call them? Crutches, you can say, crutches. But they were attached to his knees. He came to Me and then I treated him, he was alright, he threw away his crutches, he started walking, and I was talking to this boy. So, still he was on, "No I would like to do my own meditation, I can do my own!" I said. Now look at this one. Now he's seeing that I've cured this fellow! There are so many people who are realised. Still he doesn't want to see this is the Truth, one has to accept the Truth. He was not willing, he was arguing with Me. Because he's on his own! So, you have to realise you are not on your own at all. You are a part and parcel of a Primordial Being, one Primordial Being, you are part and parcel of that. The moment you think that you are on your own, you become arbitrary. Like a cell in the body, how the malignancy sets in. If you are a doctor, you'll understand, that one cell starts feeling on its own and starts growing, growing big and big and big. By this growth, what happens - that's what we call as malignancy - by this growth, it oppresses the other cells that are around it and becomes out of proportion. For example, the nose, if it doesn't meet the base with the whole body, it will become a big nose like this, you see. Or one ear, imagine, coming out like that! Or one hand going like this! No proportion, no harmony, no relationship to the whole body. So how will you look like? Apart from that, what's the use of such a big hand which goes up to that? You can't even scratch your head. So, that kind of an arbitrariness, when it sets in, in the mind, that "I can be on my own in everything!" a very subtle type, very subtle type I should say, of blindness sets in, very subtle type of blindness. You just cannot see the Reality. The other day I had a boy from, British wife, now he is not an English, his mother is English his father is a British (??) And he came to My house, he's only fifteen years of age, and he came and sat down. He said, "Do you have any good music?" Very rude, you know, he came there just to see My husband for something. I said, "Yes we have, what do you want to hear?", "I don't like very much Indian music, but if you have something in sitar I would like to hear." I mean, this is extremely rude. "I don't like this! I don't this thing!". I said, "A 15 year old boy!" Even My husband, who is 60 years now, he wouldn't raise his eyes before his own brother. But I mean his brother doesn't cut his throat: what I'm saying, nothing, on the contrary, they are friends. I mean, they are funny, it's something like respect. This subtleness comes in. Because the main point of your respect is finished. The sense of respect is finished. You think you are everything, you are very correct and the rest of the world is all imperfect, you are the only perfect person you know. It is a very subtle understanding. Though you'll be saying, "Mataji, my ego is very troublesome," you will say that. You say that to Me - quite alright! You have said it many a times, but again I find the Mr Ego coming from somewhere and sitting down there in front of you and you are behind. What do you say Patricia, is correct or not? So many of them. Now why is it that you do not feel the ego but you can feel the superego? Means if somebody possesses you, there's a possession on you. Immediately your neck will go like this. You see, if there's a possession from the left side, your neck will go like this, or you'll get a pain, you won't be able to sleep, you'll be scratching your head, you'll go mad. Or you'll be jumping, or something will be happening to you. But if you are egoistical, nothing can happen to you but to others. You'll be dominating others. You wouldn't even care for your own wife, for your own husband, for your own children. You wouldn't. And you wouldn't know that you are not caring. You see, sort of a narcissism. You can say it a narcissism, like a love, self-love. You are on top of everything. Self-love! You will see in the mirror ten times, you'll groom yourself very well or you may not groom. The other side is, can be, that you'll become so extraordinarily funny also. You may put a round, here, red thing and you'll put a red thing here and put something in the ears and, you see, I don't know what sort of a thing you will do: just to show that part. It is all self-love, try to face it. We wouldn't care even for the nearest and dearest. It is self-love, and self-love is such a subtle , such a subtle kind of, that we do not see it. But it starts like this, "I don't like it!" Now who are you? Some people talk to Me as if they are Duke of Norfolk. I have not met him so far! I've not met him, but even he would be humbler than those people I can assure you! So, the ego-oriented societies lose their faith, that's the way it happen. Think of it. That's a very important thing, is faith. They have no faith in their own parents. Now on whom will you have faith? You don't have faith on your own children, then on whom will you have your faith? That's a vicious circle we have. First the parents had no faith in their children, so the children have no faith in the parents. Where to cut it? Let us cut it at this point and see, wherever we are, let us have faith in ourselves. Faith in ourselves. And when we have faith in ourselves, faith is not the same thing as ego. Faith in yourself is a thing which is born out of wisdom. It is not born out of rationality. Faith is born out of wisdom. Wisdom comes out of balance of the heart and the head. Ego orientation is only cerebral, is only brain. You see a horn coming out like this, malignant. What do you think Bogdan? (laughing) Yes, there are horns! We become unicorns sometimes you know. We do not know we are. In a crowd we go and we really hurt others very badly. Like in the way we say curt things to people, I mean we cannot believe that we can say such things but we do, and we should not. There is no care, there is no concern within us about others, because it is self-love, the whole circle is our own. "My own domain, my own room, my own house, my car, my, my, my, my, my"! But it is not, it is Thy, it is Thy. Kabir says that when the goat is living she says, "Mai, mai, mai" means "I, I, I" (in Hindi), but when she dies and when her intestines are taken out and made into a part of the...you don't have that kind of thing...we use it for spinning the cotton, then she says "Tu hi, tu hi, tu hi" (meaning) "you are the one, you are the one, you are the one". So we have to face ourselves. Now why should we face ourselves? Because we have to be our Selves. Because if you go too much with this also, there will be a relapse and the relapse will be so sad, we will start thinking "Oh God, what a horrible world I have created of my own!" So you throw it on one side and you go to the other side of superego! Then the drugs and this and that and escape. You see? You want to escape from yourself. I'll give you an example of an international, or you can say a universal, or you can say an international example. People created atomic bombs, alright? They created. God did not create atomic bombs, human beings created them. They created a big monster of a atomic bomb, they put it there. Now they are afraid of the same bomb! Ego also acts like that, it also acts like that, and then the second phase of thing starts. It is in the centre, it is in the centre that you find your Self. It is neither on this extreme or that extreme, but in the centre, in faith. But faith doesn't mean church going, by any chance. There is no rationality about it. Church going has no rationality, it's mad! You see a priest, who is just selling God! Why should you go to church? It's correct. How can you listen to a priest? It's correct. But then you cannot go to a pub [either]! This is another extreme. Either you go to the church or to the pub. Is there something in between or not? This is the point. That we have to be in the centre, we have to come to a point where we find our Selves. In the centre, where we started wondering. Where the faith works. Start wondering about faith. See anything, it's so wondrous stuff, you see! See this Universe: we take it for granted, we take it for granted. See this Universe, see these stars, millions and millions and millions and billions and of billions of years they have been there. And look at this Earth, Mother Earth, how She's creating things, how She's producing things, how She's so beautiful. Even if you see your eye, which you have taken for granted, this eye that is here you'll be amazed [that] it is one of the greatest cameras you could think! Nobody has been able to make a camera like this with all your ego orientation! Just watch this body of yours, just see this being yourself. It's so great, to marvel at how have we become like this. And there must be some purpose of God, that he has made us from amoeba to this. But what are we doing about it? We have to have that faith within us, that, no, there must be some reason why Nature, if you don't like to call it God, has created us, why we are here. And that is only possible when you really respect your Self and love your Self, in the real sense. When you love your Self immediately you will love everybody else. Immediately. If you really love yourself. I'm saying really. Because you'll find, everybody is connected. It is such a joyous thing to enjoy: being with others, feeling your Self in others, is the most joyous thing. See them laugh and you laugh. See them enjoy, you enjoy. It's such a beautiful thing to see, that others are shining through you. But no, we don't go there. If something good happens, nobody turns up. People are jealous. You see, everybody becomes very unhappy. Somebody gets a promotion in the office, for example, that person who gets the promotion also doesn't smile out of fear. The rest of them are very serious, but if somebody dies, there will be hundreds of them going down there to cry and weep. So try to enjoy others within you, by not arbitrary behaviour, never! But by feeling that they are all within yourself. They are part and parcel of your being. If you are doing good to others, you are actually doing good to yourself, to nobody else you are doing good. Please remember that. You will find this very true in Sahaja Yoga that, in Sahaja Yoga, this doesn't become a lecture, this is not brainwashing: then you become that. You'll jolly well, you'll have to do it with others, otherwise you'll be unhappy. You'll become collectively conscious. You actualise it. It's a reality which you feel. So lecturing is not going to help. It's the feeling, the actualisation of this thing. But the what thing [which] comes in between, is the ego in the beginning. It's very difficult to push people who are egoistical. So, what happens? The gurus come here. They pamper your ego, very much, they pamper. First the ego is pampered by saying, "Alright, five pounds, if you pay me, I will do it." So your ego is a little bit satisfied. "Alright, I can purchase this guru!" Purchase! Secondly...you see, then they cheat you, you see, this is one of the ways of pampering your ego, I really tell you. I went to America: there, one gentleman was charging $275, for what? For initiating one spirit into that person. They asked Me also, they said, "Mother, they will not understand unless and until You charge them." I said, "This is too much." I mean, this is an insult! So this is how, first of all, they pamper your ego. Then there are so many other ways by which they pamper your ego. Or they try to completely neutralise you, make you so weak that you just surrender to them. Both are wrong things. Enticement, hypnosis, all these things are absolutely wrong. If you have to be your Self, you have to be in complete awareness, in complete freedom, in complete choice. It cannot be forced on you. Even if there is one person, I can't help it. Even if there are three persons I can't help it. Even if there are thousands it's alright. But it cannot be forced onto anyone. It has to be asked for! Then, only...It should be your choice then only, you can do it. Now, one more point I would like to press and then we'll have session for checking up on you. Let us see now, how do you really do it, and how we want to get it into ourselves this...because of this problem, what happens to us and how we deny it. And it continues for some time, people will say that, "It continues for some time." That's why it is difficult to retain it, because it is a very subtle thing and the point that I want to make is that God has His own protocol. You cannot treat Him shabbily, you cannot treat Him cheaply, you cannot treat Him with indifference. Then, only, it stays, otherwise it can pass out, it can go away. It is a very subtle thing. And that's why I would request, because the whole society is charmed like that! In India I have to tell them another thing, is that, you don't worry about your money problems, you don't ask Me for money. You see, that's a different thing, forget about that part. But this part, this is the point [that], though materially you are affluent, you are alright, you don't have to seek food now. But still for spiritual food you have to ask for it, otherwise you do not get it. It's a very, very subtle thing, and, as a Mother, you can say, or as a mediator between Divine and yourself, I would like to tell you, very frankly: it is a very subtle thing. And that's what happens with our Sahaja Yogis: they come here, they get Realisation and then they disappear. Then after three, four months they come back. "Mother, I got caught, caught up again." So I just tell them that, "How many times did you come to the program?" They said, "Mother, we had no time, we couldn't come, we couldn't do this and all that. This happened, that happened." But I said, "Then, you do not expose yourself to Sahaja Yoga, you do not keep yourself, then you do not retain it. It goes down." And that is very important! Getting Realisation is not that important as I would say, because it will work. At the first shot it works very fast, because your Kundalini is waiting, just waiting for a chance. As soon as She sees Me, it goes. Kundalini awakening takes place, I see that, very clearly the Kundalini suddenly rises up like, you see, like the rivers flowing towards the Ganges, with a fast movement. But it goes back. You get your Realisation alright, but the Kundalini again goes back and corrects at different places. So you have to follow Sahaja Yoga in total, and understand that. Still, if you are going arguing about it, it doesn't work. It's not going to help. So you have to know what you are seeking, what you are trying to find out, and I would like to know before we start anything else: what are you seeking? What are your problems? You should tell Me, and then I will tell you how Sahaja Yoga can answer all your questions. All your problems can be answered only through Sahaja Yoga. Of that, I'm sure. Hundred percent sure! But only problem is that we do not take guidance from our unconscious, we take guidance from our ego. As long as we are having our guidance from our ego, it is going to mislead us, because the mind, if it is ridden by ego, it won't work for us. We have to ride the mind, and not the ego. When the ego rides the mind, the mind goes hither and thither. But when we are on the mind, mind is also happy and it is the mind which takes you there and which leaves you there at that point. Because, you see, when you have reached your destination you have to leave your mind also. So, one must know that we have to ride our mind, and not the ego or the superego. Superego is the one when people get possessed. That's the one, that's the point. So I would say that, for retaining the vibrations, you have to do certain things. And some of those things could be that we have now got some tapes here. You should bring your tapes and get them taped for yourself - that's a good idea. And you must learn how to give vibrations and give Realisation to others. At a point wherever you can. And work it out! All of you can get the tapes from here. You yourself can start it in your own friendship in your own circle. Like that, you see, it will work out fast. In India it works out that way. But here you know, it's such a slow movement and, I mean, as soon as a Sahaja Yogi starts talking, any Western Sahaja Yogi talking about Sahaja Yoga, people say, "Oh shut up, you are no good." Immediately! "Mataji must talk to them, otherwise they are not convinced." Because the ego clashes with them, such a clashing goes on. But in India it is not so because the ego part is less. That's why it is not so. Supposing there is one man, whom I gave Realisation say, in Pune, he goes to his village and he tells them, "I have found it! I have found it! I have found it!" They say, "Really? You have found it?" "Yes!" So all of them gather near him. Then he tells, "This is the thing I have found, this is the thing, you just verify and you see for yourself " and goes [away] and, finished, that village is finished and that village, I don't have to bother. When I go there, all the villagers will come to a big village somewhere where I live. It's so simple. But here, you see, nobody is easily convinced. You have to break your heads and I have to break My head, morning till evening. Today I broke My head, for how many hours? Tell Me. Hours together! Convincing that please try to retain your vibrations! But for small, small things they give in. Even things like, if I say, "Take out your shoes." Even that hurts them. I mean, this is bit too much, isn't it? I mean, they think that God should come with a garland and with a candle light and garland them and put candles around them. Is it possible? Do you expect God to do that? It is too much to expect! Isn't it. I do pamper you, as My children, I do. I know, I pamper you, as My children. But I would not like to pamper you to that extent that you lose your vibrations. That would be wrong, you see, because My motive is just that you keep your vibrations alright and you be there, which is a subtle thing, and you rise gradually. If you start losing your vibrations then gradually your position will come down. Today I said that I will be little informal because very, very few new people are here and I could talk about it to you. So, I would also like to know if there are any questions or anything. Before that we would like to see these three people getting their Realisation. Now, put your hands like this, alright? Let's see. Like this. Now Pauline, are you feeling any cool breeze in your hands? She's very much in the centre, because she came walking with Me, I could see. She's a person very much in the centre, very much, no extremes she has. Now, what about you? Are you feeling anything? What do you say? Left heart. Shri Mataji: Now, what work? You are a very hard-working person are you? Seeker: Sometimes, not always, sometimes. Shri Mataji: Sometimes. These days? What are you doing? Seeker: Cleaning. Shri Mataji: Cleaning. Cleaning what? Seeker: Cleaning a factory. Shri Mataji: Oh God! That's it. Too much of imbalance. Don't you have machines to clean the factories? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: You see, if you use too much of your activity on the right hand side, physical labour and things like that, then the left side, you see, is completely neglected. And that's why your left side is weak. But it will work out. So you put your right hand on your heart, alright. On your heart, on this side. Yes, little lower, yes that's all. Now, what about him? David, can you tell? Today I don't find Philip here. He didn't come? Liver, heart? Yogi: Centre heart. Shri Mataji: What's it, what's the problem? Are you feeling secured in life? Seeker: That's a difficult one. Shri Mataji: Why? Come here. Come here. Is she alright? She's alright. Just sit down, turn round. Sit comfortably, absolutely comfortably. Are you comfortable? Sure? Alright, now hold your breath. There's one compulsion in Sahaja Yoga. You have to wear a singlet inside the shirts, you cannot wear shirts without singlets. You see, this gives you catching of the cold. I'm mean, it's a simple thing, you know, M mother has told Me, I feel so funny but it is true. You shouldn't wear only shirts. I know it is very hot, but in India you wouldn't find one person, even children. They will wear always a singlet, because when it is warm it is more necessary. Because what happens, that you perspire and you catch terrible cold. It can lead you to pneumonia. I hope you are not feeling hurt, if I say that? Seeker: No. I came in a jumper. Shri Mataji: Alright. Even with a jumper you must wear a singlet inside, alright? Now, how about this one. He's alright. Now, hold your breath, can you? Alright. Please. What do you say? Hmmm. Your shoulder has some problems? Seeker: No, I've broken my neck. Shri Mataji: When? When did you break? Seeker: Six a years ago. Shri Mataji: Oh God! She's alright, I think she's got it. She's alright. She is also very hard working. They are all feeling you. Pauline, you are also very hard working? Yogi: She's been a teacher of yoga. Shri Mataji: Oh! Teacher of yoga? How long? Seeker: years, years. Shri Mataji: Oh! That's the thing...heart. Just put her into balance. I'll tell you about yoga, alright Pauline? I'll tell you, it's no good, no good. It's meant for an actress or for wrestlers, not for yogis, it is not. It's good now. It's better. Ha! Still on the Sahasrara. Let's put it out. But you see, if you have been a yoga teacher, I can tell you, it will go back to your heart again. So be careful. I mean, where is the yoga teacher gone? He has not come today? Oh God. When will he be coming? Tomorrow? Yogi: He's working for two weeks continuously, early in the morning until late in the evening. Shri Mataji: Is it? Very bad neck he has there. How did you break your neck? Seeker: I was in the parachute regiment, in the army. Shri Mataji: Parachute? Human beings have developed all kinds of funny things in this world I tell you! I just can't understand, what is the need to do parachute? Why do you do it? What is necessary? Even our prince is going there to do the parachute. I mean, you better tell him! It's no good. I mean, it's all absurd you know. Why do absurd things, morning till evening? Seeker: Yes I know Shri Mataji: Oh God, you'd better write to the prince that, "I broke my neck", I don't want to have a king who will have a broken neck. Why do all these horrible things? I can't understand what. There's no need to parachute. It's better now. But you promise you'll never do that again. Seeker: Oh I won't. Shri Mataji: Then I will cure you, otherwise I will not. Because here I cure you, again you go back and break your neck and come back, you see! Because it's a mania also with people. You see once they parachute they cannot stop it, I'm told. (laughter) Yogi: It's probably the first case, Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, I mean, I'm told like that. That once you start doing something... (break in tape) ... who are having parents and all, they don't join you. You see, they just don't do it, because the parents put a restriction on them, you see. When I asked my daughter what sort of husband she would like to have, she said, "One thing, we'll not have someone from the military, from the navy." So, that's what it is. That's all, that's it. What to do? It's a horrible thing, this hatha yoga. You know, I'll tell you about hatha yoga now Pauline. You know these, hatha yoga has come here through one gentleman, who was in India, Shivani. And he started it, I think, about twenty years back or so, maybe little earlier. Because he went to Himalayas to get his salvation and he couldn't get it. So, you see, there are six things that are to be done, with a guru. First of all, you have to be absolutely celibate, brahmachary. Then there is yama-niyama, but they are hard. Ishwara prananidhan, mana. All these six things you have to go through together, under a realised soul. That is the compulsion. If you read Patanjali, who has introduced hatha yoga. You go and read him! Now [in hatha yoga] all that is left out. This fellow came out from there, most frustrated. So he knew certain asanas that are to be done. Now these asanas are related to your chakras within you. We have got certain chakras in our body, they will tell you, seven chakras, and these are for those chakras at a particular time. To be done when the chakra is in danger. For example, you have a headache and I start pressing your hand, what will happen, your hand will also pain! There is a big science about it. Now, this fellow brought it down and because of these so-called exercises, you see, you will definitely lose weight, quite a lot. But there are other problems that develop, and you go into such imbalance, that the left hand side the heart, is caught up. We do not have here Alex. You should ask him, he has a friend who is a hatha yogi, and he just can't bear it. Because such a people, you know, too much of left side neglect become so much dragging that they become absolutely dry. And most of them will have divorces with their wives, because they become dried out. They go so much to the right that they become absolutely dry. Now, this is nowhere in the medical science described, that you must be emotionally also strong, you should be physically also strong, and you should be mentally also strong. There should be a balance and integration. Nobody thinks of that. A doctor is a doctor and he'll just look after your body. Psychologist is a psychologist he'll look after your left side. That's why the balance, he's not bothered about. Then what happens? These problems come. But we have to get the ultimate isn't it? Why you do not want to do it, for any other reason but to get to God. Spiritual yoga should be asked for, and for that, this hatha yoga, you have to be with a guru for years together. From very childhood you are taken down there and they do the cleansing. Now there are two ways out. One method is that there is darkness in the room, you come in the room and I'll tell you, "You put this right, you put this right, you put this right and you do it like this." Another could be that I put on the light and then tell you, "Now put it right." So Sahaja Yoga is that system by which, first of all, the light has to come on, and then you can put yourself right. Alright? So these hatha yoga and this has a basic difference. And that was a very difficult yoga because only very few people could do that, very few people achieved it and it was to be done before the age of 25 years. Despite that, very few people got Realisation. But, with Sahaja Yoga, you get your Realisation first and cleansing later. This is the difference. Alright? Now, this difference is there. You are asking for what? You are asking for bliss, joy, happiness in life. You are asking for the divine life to come into you, to be able to emit that life to others, to help others to get that life. If that is [what] your seeking is, then Sahaja Yoga is for you. But if only seeking is that you reduce weight of people, say for example, you see, you have to create actresses now, they are all anxious now they haven't got some measurement, this should be the measurement, that should be the measurement. And even the old women of My age are working hard to be that! I mean, I don't know, we lose our purpose completely. I mean, what is the purpose of life? Is it to actresses somewhere? I don't know what is the need of such a thing. Even the doctors are, I'm surprised at them. Everybody will, they will say, "Don't eat sugar!" I mean, this is absurd. Sugar is very much needed for liver and in this country especially where it is ego-oriented, your liver gets spoiled and if you don't eat sugar, what are you going to do then? Your attention is going to be all mad. No wonder people land up in the lunatic asylum. They start thinking they are suffering from paranoid troubles. I mean, sugar is very important for liver. So, general prescriptions are there for everyone. For a housewife, for a woman who is going to lead a normal life, there is no need to go into such drastic stuffs. Only for women who want to make money out of their body, which is a dirty stuff. Why to make your body that attractive to every man? Spoiling his attention and your attention. What's the need? The whole ideology is wrong. Nobody feels attractive actually. Now that it has become such a mundane stuff. And even that attraction, it's so temporary and so useless. It spoils your attention, it spoils others attention, all your life you become nothing but a nail painter all the time morning till evening. I mean, we must value our lives much more than this. You are very precious people. But perhaps people don't realise in this country, or in the western countries, that they are mostly saintly people born. Really saints, they are seeking God. They are not seeking anything else, even when they are doing hatha yoga they are seeking God only, you see. But they do not know. They're all seeking God. They are not seeking all these cheapish things at all in life, they hate it. But somehow the society is such that they fall a-trap into it. But you get out of it, and see for yourself. You have to seek God, you have to meet Him and you have to be that. That is the main thing and main thing and main thing. That's the only thing to be asked for. "Twamevam shanranyam, Twamevam varyenyam" It is only You who is to be sought after, It is You only to be surrendered to. Nothing else we want in this world. Then everything comes, you get it. Alright? Pauline, do you understand? This is the role of Sahaja Yoga is. We have to make it very clear to you. To all of you. This is the role. Better now? Seeker: Yes. Seeker (who's not paying much attention): Can you do hatha yoga for balance? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no. You see, I don't mind, sometimes you see somebody who is suffering too much from possessiveness, you see, possessions say. Somebody is possessed. Then if he takes you little sort of exercise, walking about and all that, he puts the right side. May be little balancing. But the trouble is, you see, we are extremists. You see, like a pendulum we are, we are real extremists. We are like a, what you can say, a spring. We go this end and try to go to the other end we never stop in between. We just go to the other end. And that has started, that phase has started in this country already. This hippyism and all this is the second phase. From first to the second has already started. So you see, if you start using hatha yoga. I mean, once in a while, of course I tell you, how to, for example Vishuddhi chakra can be cured by bastika (a breathing excercise). But Vishuddhi chakra is only needed, and at that time you should do bastika which is a very simple exercise, which can cure him. But that should not be an addiction. That is only till he gets cured, once he's cured he need not do it. But if you overdose yourself, what will happen is a simple thing! Are you better now? Seeker: Yes, but you started the shoulder now, I've dislocated that too. Shri Mataji: Now I'm massaging you well. Alright, now let Me see, put your hands under feet nicely. Now close your eyes. Now very good, Still? Now how is Pauline? Is she better? Yes, see , they are showing two Chakras! (laughing) Yogi: It's very cool on the right hand side. Shri Mataji: Good, she's good, you know she's a seeker. She's a real seeker. So you keep to your being, don't take to fashions, that somebody says, "This is this, this is this" No! You are a seeker. You are a seeker of the Truth and keep to the Truth. Alright? This is what it is. Not to listen to anyone. You see because we must have our own personality about it. What I feel, when we have ego, at least we should have our own personality. We must decide for ourselves. Haa! It's better. Because you are a seeker and don't now try to allow others overpower you. No. You should be there to know that you are a seeker and you are a saint. So you must become a saint. You must assume your own powers. Alright? Close your eyes, let's see. Just close your eyes. Now what about him also? Just sit down. Yogi: He read Aurobindo. Shri Mataji: Oh, Aurobindo you have read. We have also read Aurobindo. Yogi: Yes, that's why. Shri Mataji: Alright, we'll manage him. Now give her a bandhan, she's alright, she's very good. He'll be alright, no problem..this Aurobindo! His ladyship (wife) is building a big, has built, a very big place in France. She was going to become young, you know, old woman. At eighty she was trying to become young! Is she better now? She is much better. Give her a balance and bandhan. Now, how are you sir? Seeker: I'm OK. Shri Mataji: Not OK as yet. I have to press your neck you see. Another parachuting. This parachute should be internationally banned. You see, really, I just can't understand! I mean, I can understand small children jumping from something and you have to tell them [off]. But grown-up people do this like children. I can't understand that. If they take to horse-riding, God save them. Anything, football, like mad. How are you now? Better? Just see her, Mandy, can you see her vibrations. Abdul, how are you? Did you meet our Jamel who is holding his neck because I think he's feeling it, you see, everybody is feeling the neck there. You see, because I am holding your neck everybody is feeling their necks. It will be alright, I'm sure. Now, just keep it like this, loose. Seeker: Oh, that's it. Shri Mataji: Alright? Better now? Seeker: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Good! See? Alright. Good? Normal? Seeker: Yes,much better. Shri Mataji: I had to first loosen it, it's very badly stiff, absolutely stiff, all the bones had jammed together. Better now? What do you think about her? Abdul, can you see vibrations? Come along Jamel now, come along. Don't you worry about your neck, I'll put them right. See him, come here, both of you. No, this lady, this one, just see her vibrations. Your feet should be straight. Ha!, that's right. Is it better here now? Are you feeling any burning or anything? No. In the hand, nothing? Where is it? Yogi: Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Swadishthan, left? Only? That's the only problem? Yogi: She also has a problem with left Nahbi. Shri Mataji: Nabhi, what else? You mean right. Right? and Nabhi? Left Nabhi. Better now? Now where is the Kundalini? Yogi: Nabhi area Shri Mataji: Swadishthan? Yogi: Nabhi area Shri Mataji: Still Nabhi? Why are you so serious? Seriousness doesn't give you health, be light, likeable, it works out. I'm trying to make you laugh all of you, all the time. Joking. Why you look so serious? Pauline, you don't have to be serious. Ha! It's good now, she's alright. Raise her Kundalini she'll be alright, I'm sure, she's good. How is this gentleman? Now, how are you? Seeker: Good thank you. Shri Mataji: Good, now are you feeling any throbbing in your hands? Hold My feet, just see. Both the hands? He's got it. Now close your eyes and see is there any thought in your mind. Yogi: She feels fine. Shri Mataji: She, fine? I think she's alright, she's great. What's your surname Pauline? Pauline: O'Donovan Shri Mataji: Odon? But you have to be little careful or it will go back. I'm not saying, maybe, because all the hatha yogis had a problem, you see, so I must tell you. But they come back, they are do it well. Who else we had, a hatha yogi here? Among you I don't think but...How are you now? That's his pain you are getting, put yourself into bandhan. How are you Dominic now? Everybody is feeling. That is his pain, he has a pain. You see, collective consciousness, that's why, in collective consciousness you feel it. Better now. Are you feeling the throbbing alright? It's good, now sit down. Is there someone to tell him how to do? Be careful, he's sleeping. Alright? Take your time, sit down on the table, sit down there, ya! That's good. Better now? Now you are not feeling the pain. You see, because you were feeling Me, because I was touching him. But I'm not feeling any. You were feeling it. Now you know. If there is pain in the body, here, all the nerves feel it but the brain doesn't. In the same way. Now you're not feeling it at all. You are feeling happy. Finished! Still a bit there. You had that, so that is your own. That is your own, but his pain is over. Is he alright? Oh, it is to be seen how Sahaja Yoga works. It's a wonderful thing. How is she? Now you can go and sit there and let Pauline come I'll see her. Pauline come here, come. Sit down. Anyway you can take now, because you are a hatha yoga teacher, you can take a padmasana or something that's it! Siddhasana you know? How to? Or sahajasana like this, straight. Like that, straight. And sahajasana is absolutely spread out. Very good. And you put your left hand on your liver, Debbie, on this side, little higher, yes, little higher. Left side. Raise it, put it to the balance.

The Difference Between East & West, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 19 June 1978. The problem of our Western society is this.... You see, the Eastern society has its own problems and Western society has its own problems. Basically they are two different problems, absolutely two different problems, and to discuss about the problems of the East will be of no use to you. For example, in the [Bhagavad] Gita, Shri Krishna has said that, "Yoga Kshema Vahamyaham." "I look after your yoga," means the union with God. 'Vahamyaham' means: I carry that, carry that process or I'm the person who has to do that process. And 'kshema' , kshema means the well-being, "I look after the well-being". But in India, people absolutely believe that God looks after our salvation. I mean they do believe, I mean that's the faith they have. Which is a very big advantage, they don't believe that they can do anything about it. Most of them, I mean except for a very few westernised, otherwise normally they think that is only God who is going to do it for them. In whatever way possible. He might send an Avatar, or an incarnation, or somebody who will redeem us. They don't believe that they can do anything about it, and they are right, they are very right, absolutely that's the correct attitude about things that, Yoga cannot be managed by - 'yoga' means the union - by anyone but for the grace of God. That is no doubt. Like Adi Shankaracharya has said clearly that, "Na yogye, na sankhye" (meaning: neither by yoga nor sankhya you can achieve it). By anything, by doing this, you see, acrobatic things or taking postures or doing anything, you cannot achieve your salvation. By doing any, sort of a sanyasa it is called - asceticism - you cannot achieve it. He's very clearly said it: by doing all these tricks you cannot achieve anything, but by the grace of the Mother. He believed in the Divine Mother, so he said by the grace of the Divine Mother only it will work out. Those who try to do it by themselves, will be landed themselves in the hell, and will be very hard. He has very clearly said it, but nobody reads Shankaracharya, they don't understand Him, you see. He's too high for them, they think. They don't read him. Because he is at such a plane, from where he talks, people don't understand, at all. Like that everywhere, in every religion, all great religions, all the great scriptures, this much is all, everywhere said, that, it is God who gives you the salvation. You cannot achieve it. You can be in the dharma, means you can be in the central path, you can be there, you can keep yourself clean, you can keep yourself ready, but the salvation is given by the grace of God. But Western mind is different, is differently made and has come out in a different style. The second part of kshema means 'well-being'. Well-being means He looks after your well-being: this part Indians don't believe into, at all. The first part, the Westerners do not believe into, the second part Indians do not believe in. The second part is that He looks after your well-being, He is your father. So they do all kinds of thieving, they do all kinds of ...I mean, material problems they create for themselves. And even rich people in India are quite capable of taking out black money and smuggling things and all those things. I mean they are all interested in money, absolutely in that, they have no other interest! And if you go to India, people are told that you must keep everything locked, otherwise they will be stealing your things. But it is not to that extent, but, still I would say, that people have their interest in money, all the time they are thinking, even if they come to Me they'll say, "Mother, will I get my daughter married? Will I get my house? Will I have food to eat?" All these things they ask. So their question is different from yours. Now, your first question is of your salvation, and salvation, you think you can do it! I don't know from where, which bird has come and told in your ears this thing! That we can do our evolution. It is something like a seed thinking that it can become a flower by its own effort. It becomes, but not by its own effort, but because it is built in that way. And a gardener is needed to pour water and put it right and to bring it to that stage. So this misunderstanding, I find, is responsible for people not to take to Sahaja Yoga much. A kind of a terrible obstinacy about it is there. Why? Why this thing works out, let us see now. The thing is, the whole society, as in the Eastern society and the Western society, they have a two absolutely different problems. They are based on two different sides of life. The first one perhaps because you were worshippers of surya, worshippers of the sun and you wanted to show something to the world. You wanted to show that you are nothing ??, and you had to work it out, so you started working out your problems. Your material problems you worked through science and you worked out many problems that are called , say economic problems and the worldly problems. But the one side of your life is completely neglected. In the same way, in India, we can say that, one side they worked out well, is their society, their family life, their emotional life, but the other side they neglected completely. Now, because of this loss of family, from very childhood you are being taught to be on your own. I mean, it would be something like a little leaf saying, "I will be on my own." How can you be? You are a part of a big tree! To think you are on your own, to be on your own, is wrong. You have to depend on the big tree, which is going to sustain you. Now, 'on your own' is being taught from your childhood. That may be helping your ego to be satisfied, maybe your parents have helped, maybe something happened. We have to be on our own. I have seen children of 12 years, early in the morning when we were in Oxted, in a very terrible cold, you see, our neighbour's children, quite well-to-do people, very well-to-do I should say, some of them were lords and ladies and things. Their children would come up driving on a bicycle, distributing newspapers. I was amazed! And I asked their parents, "What are you doing to your children? Such small children, young girls of 16 years, early in the morning, going about distributing the things." So the mother says, "What's wrong?" I mean, I couldn't answer the question, you see. But to an Indian mind it cannot come, because, "Oh God, a 12 year old child, early in the morning to get up and go?" It's too much to bear, to understand, to feel that your own child, which is 12 years old, has to earn for his own living, at this small age when he has to play about. That's the time for play. To be on your own, at that time, is not, that is to be on your own to play. That's the age to play, to enjoy, to see the nature. But from 12 years of age you put the child to be on his own. So he's on the bicycle, already his heart is catching. Such a strain on the heart. And then the child, what does he want? He wants to feel that somebody wants him and somebody loves him, and also pampers him a little bit. It doesn't go wrong. Nothing is going to go wrong with a child if you pamper him. It's a wrong idea, absolutely wrong idea. If you do not pamper your children, whom are you going to pamper? If you don't love and kiss your children and hug them and take them to your heart, [to] whom are you going to do it? Are you going to get a dog? And they do it! I mean, they really do it! They will have dogs and cats in their bedrooms and the husband, wife will be sleeping separately from children! It's wrong. They must be given love. They must feel they are very much wanted. They must be important, very important. While husband and wife are fighting among themselves, you see! Or the wife is a bride and the husband is a bridegroom. Even [if] he's 80 years old, he's a bridegroom! Still ready for marriage! I mean, what sort of a thing! Absurd it is! The attention is not on the children at all. The children have to get complete love from their parents, complete assurance, and a picture and a model that marriage itself is a boon. The integrity and fidelity between husband and wife, in love and harmony, gives them that feeling. But, it is not so. I don't know how it works out, that, people do not want to show their love to their children, they are afraid. Perhaps maybe somebody has brainwashed you? Our children in India, that way, take too much liberties with us. They have our keys, they can take away whatever they like. They can use any one of my saris. There's no problem. I mean, they have to do it, but then they feel responsible. They don't waste so much money as the children here do. If you keep them fulfilled, I mean they never ask for anything. But this is the basic problem: from the very childhood, to be on your own. So even in yoga you become on your own! First, the first cutting point comes here, first of all, that you really do not know how to depend on love. Only through your parents do you know what is love. So I hear many cases like this, that, the father ran away, the mother ran away, this thing happened. Now what should the poor children do? I mean, it's a very sad affair, it's a very sad thing that could happen to children, that, the parents are separated: no love. Then, you fight with your parents, you fight with your parents, get out of your families. I mean, this is another great satanic thing, I can tell you, because in the family, only, the auspiciousness and the blessings of God exist. So, you'll find faults with your mother. But on the contrary, if you tell anything to My daughter against Me, she will be be your greatest enemy, she can't tolerate, she says, "Whatever it is between me and my Mother." But even her father cannot tell her that, "This is this". So, we say our mother is bad, our father is bad, and also your psychologists teach you that, morning till evening, that, "Something wrong, Blame the mother, blame the father," so another sensation starts. Now, those people who do not have that assurance from their parents are just like orphans, believe Me! It's an orphans feeling of terrible desolation, complete desolate to feel, you feel so lost in life. I mean, mother and father are part in yourself, within you. You know that, we have seen now, in Sahaja Yoga, how we have to correct your mother and father chakras. They are within you, you cannot get rid of them! So this is one big problem is facing us is this, that, you have lacked love. Without love, the seed of human being is dwarfed, in a way. You may be, because of ego orientation, you see, this gives rise to ego. You are on your own, so, you are on your own. Big ego starts working out. "Oh, I'm going to do this, I am going to do this, I am going to be like this." The ego orientation starts, then, even when you come to spirituality, the ego orientation is there, to such a great extent, you'll be amazed. Such a great extent! The other day we had one boy, Andy Kerr(?), his friend had come and we had another American gentleman with, his legs were sort of absolutely paralysed and he was in, what do you call them? Crutches, you can say, crutches. But they were attached to his knees. He came to Me and then I treated him, he was alright, he threw away his crutches, he started walking, and I was talking to this boy. So, still he was on, "No I would like to do my own meditation, I can do my own!" I said. Now look at this one. Now he's seeing that I've cured this fellow! There are so many people who are realised. Still he doesn't want to see this is the Truth, one has to accept the Truth. He was not willing, he was arguing with Me. Because he's on his own! So, you have to realise you are not on your own at all. You are a part and parcel of a Primordial Being, one Primordial Being, you are part and parcel of that. The moment you think that you are on your own, you become arbitrary. Like a cell in the body, how the malignancy sets in. If you are a doctor, you'll understand, that one cell starts feeling on its own and starts growing, growing big and big and big. By this growth, what happens - that's what we call as malignancy - by this growth, it oppresses the other cells that are around it and becomes out of proportion. For example, the nose, if it doesn't meet the base with the whole body, it will become a big nose like this, you see. Or one ear, imagine, coming out like that! Or one hand going like this! No proportion, no harmony, no relationship to the whole body. So how will you look like? Apart from that, what's the use of such a big hand which goes up to that? You can't even scratch your head. So, that kind of an arbitrariness, when it sets in, in the mind, that "I can be on my own in everything!" a very subtle type, very subtle type I should say, of blindness sets in, very subtle type of blindness. You just cannot see the Reality. The other day I had a boy from, British wife, now he is not an English, his mother is English his father is a British (??) And he came to My house, he's only fifteen years of age, and he came and sat down. He said, "Do you have any good music?" Very rude, you know, he came there just to see My husband for something. I said, "Yes we have, what do you want to hear?", "I don't like very much Indian music, but if you have something in sitar I would like to hear." I mean, this is extremely rude. "I don't like this! I don't this thing!". I said, "A 15 year old boy!" Even My husband, who is 60 years now, he wouldn't raise his eyes before his own brother. But I mean his brother doesn't cut his throat: what I'm saying, nothing, on the contrary, they are friends. I mean, they are funny, it's something like respect. This subtleness comes in. Because the main point of your respect is finished. The sense of respect is finished. You think you are everything, you are very correct and the rest of the world is all imperfect, you are the only perfect person you know. It is a very subtle understanding. Though you'll be saying, "Mataji, my ego is very troublesome," you will say that. You say that to Me - quite alright! You have said it many a times, but again I find the Mr Ego coming from somewhere and sitting down there in front of you and you are behind. What do you say Patricia, is correct or not? So many of them. Now why is it that you do not feel the ego but you can feel the superego? Means if somebody possesses you, there's a possession on you. Immediately your neck will go like this. You see, if there's a possession from the left side, your neck will go like this, or you'll get a pain, you won't be able to sleep, you'll be scratching your head, you'll go mad. Or you'll be jumping, or something will be happening to you. But if you are egoistical, nothing can happen to you but to others. You'll be dominating others. You wouldn't even care for your own wife, for your own husband, for your own children. You wouldn't. And you wouldn't know that you are not caring. You see, sort of a narcissism. You can say it a narcissism, like a love, self-love. You are on top of everything. Self-love! You will see in the mirror ten times, you'll groom yourself very well or you may not groom. The other side is, can be, that you'll become so extraordinarily funny also. You may put a round, here, red thing and you'll put a red thing here and put something in the ears and, you see, I don't know what sort of a thing you will do: just to show that part. It is all self-love, try to face it. We wouldn't care even for the nearest and dearest. It is self-love, and self-love is such a subtle , such a subtle kind of, that we do not see it. But it starts like this, "I don't like it!" Now who are you? Some people talk to Me as if they are Duke of Norfolk. I have not met him so far! I've not met him, but even he would be humbler than those people I can assure you! So, the ego-oriented societies lose their faith, that's the way it happen. Think of it. That's a very important thing, is faith. They have no faith in their own parents. Now on whom will you have faith? You don't have faith on your own children, then on whom will you have your faith? That's a vicious circle we have. First the parents had no faith in their children, so the children have no faith in the parents. Where to cut it? Let us cut it at this point and see, wherever we are, let us have faith in ourselves. Faith in ourselves. And when we have faith in ourselves, faith is not the same thing as ego. Faith in yourself is a thing which is born out of wisdom. It is not born out of rationality. Faith is born out of wisdom. Wisdom comes out of balance of the heart and the head. Ego orientation is only cerebral, is only brain. You see a horn coming out like this, malignant. What do you think Bogdan? (laughing) Yes, there are horns! We become unicorns sometimes you know. We do not know we are. In a crowd we go and we really hurt others very badly. Like in the way we say curt things to people, I mean we cannot believe that we can say such things but we do, and we should not. There is no care, there is no concern within us about others, because it is self-love, the whole circle is our own. "My own domain, my own room, my own house, my car, my, my, my, my, my"! But it is not, it is Thy, it is Thy. Kabir says that when the goat is living she says, "Mai, mai, mai" means "I, I, I" (in Hindi), but when she dies and when her intestines are taken out and made into a part of the...you don't have that kind of thing...we use it for spinning the cotton, then she says "Tu hi, tu hi, tu hi" (meaning) "you are the one, you are the one, you are the one". So we have to face ourselves. Now why should we face ourselves? Because we have to be our Selves. Because if you go too much with this also, there will be a relapse and the relapse will be so sad, we will start thinking "Oh God, what a horrible world I have created of my own!" So you throw it on one side and you go to the other side of superego! Then the drugs and this and that and escape. You see? You want to escape from yourself. I'll give you an example of an international, or you can say a universal, or you can say an international example. People created atomic bombs, alright? They created. God did not create atomic bombs, human beings created them. They created a big monster of a atomic bomb, they put it there. Now they are afraid of the same bomb! Ego also acts like that, it also acts like that, and then the second phase of thing starts. It is in the centre, it is in the centre that you find your Self. It is neither on this extreme or that extreme, but in the centre, in faith. But faith doesn't mean church going, by any chance. There is no rationality about it. Church going has no rationality, it's mad! You see a priest, who is just selling God! Why should you go to church? It's correct. How can you listen to a priest? It's correct. But then you cannot go to a pub [either]! This is another extreme. Either you go to the church or to the pub. Is there something in between or not? This is the point. That we have to be in the centre, we have to come to a point where we find our Selves. In the centre, where we started wondering. Where the faith works. Start wondering about faith. See anything, it's so wondrous stuff, you see! See this Universe: we take it for granted, we take it for granted. See this Universe, see these stars, millions and millions and millions and billions and of billions of years they have been there. And look at this Earth, Mother Earth, how She's creating things, how She's producing things, how She's so beautiful. Even if you see your eye, which you have taken for granted, this eye that is here you'll be amazed [that] it is one of the greatest cameras you could think! Nobody has been able to make a camera like this with all your ego orientation! Just watch this body of yours, just see this being yourself. It's so great, to marvel at how have we become like this. And there must be some purpose of God, that he has made us from amoeba to this. But what are we doing about it? We have to have that faith within us, that, no, there must be some reason why Nature, if you don't like to call it God, has created us, why we are here. And that is only possible when you really respect your Self and love your Self, in the real sense. When you love your Self immediately you will love everybody else. Immediately. If you really love yourself. I'm saying really. Because you'll find, everybody is connected. It is such a joyous thing to enjoy: being with others, feeling your Self in others, is the most joyous thing. See them laugh and you laugh. See them enjoy, you enjoy. It's such a beautiful thing to see, that others are shining through you. But no, we don't go there. If something good happens, nobody turns up. People are jealous. You see, everybody becomes very unhappy. Somebody gets a promotion in the office, for example, that person who gets the promotion also doesn't smile out of fear. The rest of them are very serious, but if somebody dies, there will be hundreds of them going down there to cry and weep. So try to enjoy others within you, by not arbitrary behaviour, never! But by feeling that they are all within yourself. They are part and parcel of your being. If you are doing good to others, you are actually doing good to yourself, to nobody else you are doing good. Please remember that. You will find this very true in Sahaja Yoga that, in Sahaja Yoga, this doesn't become a lecture, this is not brainwashing: then you become that. You'll jolly well, you'll have to do it with others, otherwise you'll be unhappy. You'll become collectively conscious. You actualise it. It's a reality which you feel. So lecturing is not going to help. It's the feeling, the actualisation of this thing. But the what thing [which] comes in between, is the ego in the beginning. It's very difficult to push people who are egoistical. So, what happens? The gurus come here. They pamper your ego, very much, they pamper. First the ego is pampered by saying, "Alright, five pounds, if you pay me, I will do it." So your ego is a little bit satisfied. "Alright, I can purchase this guru!" Purchase! Secondly...you see, then they cheat you, you see, this is one of the ways of pampering your ego, I really tell you. I went to America: there, one gentleman was charging $275, for what? For initiating one spirit into that person. They asked Me also, they said, "Mother, they will not understand unless and until You charge them." I said, "This is too much." I mean, this is an insult! So this is how, first of all, they pamper your ego. Then there are so many other ways by which they pamper your ego. Or they try to completely neutralise you, make you so weak that you just surrender to them. Both are wrong things. Enticement, hypnosis, all these things are absolutely wrong. If you have to be your Self, you have to be in complete awareness, in complete freedom, in complete choice. It cannot be forced on you. Even if there is one person, I can't help it. Even if there are three persons I can't help it. Even if there are thousands it's alright. But it cannot be forced onto anyone. It has to be asked for! Then, only...It should be your choice then only, you can do it. Now, one more point I would like to press and then we'll have session for checking up on you. Let us see now, how do you really do it, and how we want to get it into ourselves this...because of this problem, what happens to us and how we deny it. And it continues for some time, people will say that, "It continues for some time." That's why it is difficult to retain it, because it is a very subtle thing and the point that I want to make is that God has His own protocol. You cannot treat Him shabbily, you cannot treat Him cheaply, you cannot treat Him with indifference. Then, only, it stays, otherwise it can pass out, it can go away. It is a very subtle thing. And that's why I would request, because the whole society is charmed like that! In India I have to tell them another thing, is that, you don't worry about your money problems, you don't ask Me for money. You see, that's a different thing, forget about that part. But this part, this is the point [that], though materially you are affluent, you are alright, you don't have to seek food now. But still for spiritual food you have to ask for it, otherwise you do not get it. It's a very, very subtle thing, and, as a Mother, you can say, or as a mediator between Divine and yourself, I would like to tell you, very frankly: it is a very subtle thing. And that's what happens with our Sahaja Yogis: they come here, they get Realisation and then they disappear. Then after three, four months they come back. "Mother, I got caught, caught up again." So I just tell them that, "How many times did you come to the program?" They said, "Mother, we had no time, we couldn't come, we couldn't do this and all that. This happened, that happened." But I said, "Then, you do not expose yourself to Sahaja Yoga, you do not keep yourself, then you do not retain it. It goes down." And that is very important! Getting Realisation is not that important as I would say, because it will work. At the first shot it works very fast, because your Kundalini is waiting, just waiting for a chance. As soon as She sees Me, it goes. Kundalini awakening takes place, I see that, very clearly the Kundalini suddenly rises up like, you see, like the rivers flowing towards the Ganges, with a fast movement. But it goes back. You get your Realisation alright, but the Kundalini again goes back and corrects at different places. So you have to follow Sahaja Yoga in total, and understand that. Still, if you are going arguing about it, it doesn't work. It's not going to help. So you have to know what you are seeking, what you are trying to find out, and I would like to know before we start anything else: what are you seeking? What are your problems? You should tell Me, and then I will tell you how Sahaja Yoga can answer all your questions. All your problems can be answered only through Sahaja Yoga. Of that, I'm sure. Hundred percent sure! But only problem is that we do not take guidance from our unconscious, we take guidance from our ego. As long as we are having our guidance from our ego, it is going to mislead us, because the mind, if it is ridden by ego, it won't work for us. We have to ride the mind, and not the ego. When the ego rides the mind, the mind goes hither and thither. But when we are on the mind, mind is also happy and it is the mind which takes you there and which leaves you there at that point. Because, you see, when you have reached your destination you have to leave your mind also. So, one must know that we have to ride our mind, and not the ego or the superego. Superego is the one when people get possessed. That's the one, that's the point. So I would say that, for retaining the vibrations, you have to do certain things. And some of those things could be that we have now got some tapes here. You should bring your tapes and get them taped for yourself - that's a good idea. And you must learn how to give vibrations and give Realisation to others. At a point wherever you can. And work it out! All of you can get the tapes from here. You yourself can start it in your own friendship in your own circle. Like that, you see, it will work out fast. In India it works out that way. But here you know, it's such a slow movement and, I mean, as soon as a Sahaja Yogi starts talking, any Western Sahaja Yogi talking about Sahaja Yoga, people say, "Oh shut up, you are no good." Immediately! "Mataji must talk to them, otherwise they are not convinced." Because the ego clashes with them, such a clashing goes on. But in India it is not so because the ego part is less. That's why it is not so. Supposing there is one man, whom I gave Realisation say, in Pune, he goes to his village and he tells them, "I have found it! I have found it! I have found it!" They say, "Really? You have found it?" "Yes!" So all of them gather near him. Then he tells, "This is the thing I have found, this is the thing, you just verify and you see for yourself " and goes [away] and, finished, that village is finished and that village, I don't have to bother. When I go there, all the villagers will come to a big village somewhere where I live. It's so simple. But here, you see, nobody is easily convinced. You have to break your heads and I have to break My head, morning till evening. Today I broke My head, for how many hours? Tell Me. Hours together! Convincing that please try to retain your vibrations! But for small, small things they give in. Even things like, if I say, "Take out your shoes." Even that hurts them. I mean, this is bit too much, isn't it? I mean, they think that God should come with a garland and with a candle light and garland them and put candles around them. Is it possible? Do you expect God to do that? It is too much to expect! Isn't it. I do pamper you, as My children, I do. I know, I pamper you, as My children. But I would not like to pamper you to that extent that you lose your vibrations. That would be wrong, you see, because My motive is just that you keep your vibrations alright and you be there, which is a subtle thing, and you rise gradually. If you start losing your vibrations then gradually your position will come down. Today I said that I will be little informal because very, very few new people are here and I could talk about it to you. So, I would also like to know if there are any questions or anything. Before that we would like to see these three people getting their Realisation. Now, put your hands like this, alright? Let's see. Like this. Now Pauline, are you feeling any cool breeze in your hands? She's very much in the centre, because she came walking with Me, I could see. She's a person very much in the centre, very much, no extremes she has. Now, what about you? Are you feeling anything? What do you say? Left heart. Shri Mataji: Now, what work? You are a very hard-working person are you? Seeker: Sometimes, not always, sometimes. Shri Mataji: Sometimes. These days? What are you doing? Seeker: Cleaning. Shri Mataji: Cleaning. Cleaning what? Seeker: Cleaning a factory. Shri Mataji: Oh God! That's it. Too much of imbalance. Don't you have machines to clean the factories? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: You see, if you use too much of your activity on the right hand side, physical labour and things like that, then the left side, you see, is completely neglected. And that's why your left side is weak. But it will work out. So you put your right hand on your heart, alright. On your heart, on this side. Yes, little lower, yes that's all. Now, what about him? David, can you tell? Today I don't find Philip here. He didn't come? Liver, heart? Yogi: Centre heart. Shri Mataji: What's it, what's the problem? Are you feeling secured in life? Seeker: That's a difficult one. Shri Mataji: Why? Come here. Come here. Is she alright? She's alright. Just sit down, turn round. Sit comfortably, absolutely comfortably. Are you comfortable? Sure? Alright, now hold your breath. There's one compulsion in Sahaja Yoga. You have to wear a singlet inside the shirts, you cannot wear shirts without singlets. You see, this gives you catching of the cold. I'm mean, it's a simple thing, you know, M mother has told Me, I feel so funny but it is true. You shouldn't wear only shirts. I know it is very hot, but in India you wouldn't find one person, even children. They will wear always a singlet, because when it is warm it is more necessary. Because what happens, that you perspire and you catch terrible cold. It can lead you to pneumonia. I hope you are not feeling hurt, if I say that? Seeker: No. I came in a jumper. Shri Mataji: Alright. Even with a jumper you must wear a singlet inside, alright? Now, how about this one. He's alright. Now, hold your breath, can you? Alright. Please. What do you say? Hmmm. Your shoulder has some problems? Seeker: No, I've broken my neck. Shri Mataji: When? When did you break? Seeker: Six a years ago. Shri Mataji: Oh God! She's alright, I think she's got it. She's alright. She is also very hard working. They are all feeling you. Pauline, you are also very hard working? Yogi: She's been a teacher of yoga. Shri Mataji: Oh! Teacher of yoga? How long? Seeker: years, years. Shri Mataji: Oh! That's the thing...heart. Just put her into balance. I'll tell you about yoga, alright Pauline? I'll tell you, it's no good, no good. It's meant for an actress or for wrestlers, not for yogis, it is not. It's good now. It's better. Ha! Still on the Sahasrara. Let's put it out. But you see, if you have been a yoga teacher, I can tell you, it will go back to your heart again. So be careful. I mean, where is the yoga teacher gone? He has not come today? Oh God. When will he be coming? Tomorrow? Yogi: He's working for two weeks continuously, early in the morning until late in the evening. Shri Mataji: Is it? Very bad neck he has there. How did you break your neck? Seeker: I was in the parachute regiment, in the army. Shri Mataji: Parachute? Human beings have developed all kinds of funny things in this world I tell you! I just can't understand, what is the need to do parachute? Why do you do it? What is necessary? Even our prince is going there to do the parachute. I mean, you better tell him! It's no good. I mean, it's all absurd you know. Why do absurd things, morning till evening? Seeker: Yes I know Shri Mataji: Oh God, you'd better write to the prince that, "I broke my neck", I don't want to have a king who will have a broken neck. Why do all these horrible things? I can't understand what. There's no need to parachute. It's better now. But you promise you'll never do that again. Seeker: Oh I won't. Shri Mataji: Then I will cure you, otherwise I will not. Because here I cure you, again you go back and break your neck and come back, you see! Because it's a mania also with people. You see once they parachute they cannot stop it, I'm told. (laughter) Yogi: It's probably the first case, Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, I mean, I'm told like that. That once you start doing something... (break in tape) ... who are having parents and all, they don't join you. You see, they just don't do it, because the parents put a restriction on them, you see. When I asked my daughter what sort of husband she would like to have, she said, "One thing, we'll not have someone from the military, from the navy." So, that's what it is. That's all, that's it. What to do? It's a horrible thing, this hatha yoga. You know, I'll tell you about hatha yoga now Pauline. You know these, hatha yoga has come here through one gentleman, who was in India, Shivani. And he started it, I think, about twenty years back or so, maybe little earlier. Because he went to Himalayas to get his salvation and he couldn't get it. So, you see, there are six things that are to be done, with a guru. First of all, you have to be absolutely celibate, brahmachary. Then there is yama-niyama, but they are hard. Ishwara prananidhan, mana. All these six things you have to go through together, under a realised soul. That is the compulsion. If you read Patanjali, who has introduced hatha yoga. You go and read him! Now [in hatha yoga] all that is left out. This fellow came out from there, most frustrated. So he knew certain asanas that are to be done. Now these asanas are related to your chakras within you. We have got certain chakras in our body, they will tell you, seven chakras, and these are for those chakras at a particular time. To be done when the chakra is in danger. For example, you have a headache and I start pressing your hand, what will happen, your hand will also pain! There is a big science about it. Now, this fellow brought it down and because of these so-called exercises, you see, you will definitely lose weight, quite a lot. But there are other problems that develop, and you go into such imbalance, that the left hand side the heart, is caught up. We do not have here Alex. You should ask him, he has a friend who is a hatha yogi, and he just can't bear it. Because such a people, you know, too much of left side neglect become so much dragging that they become absolutely dry. And most of them will have divorces with their wives, because they become dried out. They go so much to the right that they become absolutely dry. Now, this is nowhere in the medical science described, that you must be emotionally also strong, you should be physically also strong, and you should be mentally also strong. There should be a balance and integration. Nobody thinks of that. A doctor is a doctor and he'll just look after your body. Psychologist is a psychologist he'll look after your left side. That's why the balance, he's not bothered about. Then what happens? These problems come. But we have to get the ultimate isn't it? Why you do not want to do it, for any other reason but to get to God. Spiritual yoga should be asked for, and for that, this hatha yoga, you have to be with a guru for years together. From very childhood you are taken down there and they do the cleansing. Now there are two ways out. One method is that there is darkness in the room, you come in the room and I'll tell you, "You put this right, you put this right, you put this right and you do it like this." Another could be that I put on the light and then tell you, "Now put it right." So Sahaja Yoga is that system by which, first of all, the light has to come on, and then you can put yourself right. Alright? So these hatha yoga and this has a basic difference. And that was a very difficult yoga because only very few people could do that, very few people achieved it and it was to be done before the age of 25 years. Despite that, very few people got Realisation. But, with Sahaja Yoga, you get your Realisation first and cleansing later. This is the difference. Alright? Now, this difference is there. You are asking for what? You are asking for bliss, joy, happiness in life. You are asking for the divine life to come into you, to be able to emit that life to others, to help others to get that life. If that is [what] your seeking is, then Sahaja Yoga is for you. But if only seeking is that you reduce weight of people, say for example, you see, you have to create actresses now, they are all anxious now they haven't got some measurement, this should be the measurement, that should be the measurement. And even the old women of My age are working hard to be that! I mean, I don't know, we lose our purpose completely. I mean, what is the purpose of life? Is it to actresses somewhere? I don't know what is the need of such a thing. Even the doctors are, I'm surprised at them. Everybody will, they will say, "Don't eat sugar!" I mean, this is absurd. Sugar is very much needed for liver and in this country especially where it is ego-oriented, your liver gets spoiled and if you don't eat sugar, what are you going to do then? Your attention is going to be all mad. No wonder people land up in the lunatic asylum. They start thinking they are suffering from paranoid troubles. I mean, sugar is very important for liver. So, general prescriptions are there for everyone. For a housewife, for a woman who is going to lead a normal life, there is no need to go into such drastic stuffs. Only for women who want to make money out of their body, which is a dirty stuff. Why to make your body that attractive to every man? Spoiling his attention and your attention. What's the need? The whole ideology is wrong. Nobody feels attractive actually. Now that it has become such a mundane stuff. And even that attraction, it's so temporary and so useless. It spoils your attention, it spoils others attention, all your life you become nothing but a nail painter all the time morning till evening. I mean, we must value our lives much more than this. You are very precious people. But perhaps people don't realise in this country, or in the western countries, that they are mostly saintly people born. Really saints, they are seeking God. They are not seeking anything else, even when they are doing hatha yoga they are seeking God only, you see. But they do not know. They're all seeking God. They are not seeking all these cheapish things at all in life, they hate it. But somehow the society is such that they fall a-trap into it. But you get out of it, and see for yourself. You have to seek God, you have to meet Him and you have to be that. That is the main thing and main thing and main thing. That's the only thing to be asked for. "Twamevam shanranyam, Twamevam varyenyam" It is only You who is to be sought after, It is You only to be surrendered to. Nothing else we want in this world. Then everything comes, you get it. Alright? Pauline, do you understand? This is the role of Sahaja Yoga is. We have to make it very clear to you. To all of you. This is the role. Better now? Seeker: Yes. Seeker (who's not paying much attention): Can you do hatha yoga for balance? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no. You see, I don't mind, sometimes you see somebody who is suffering too much from possessiveness, you see, possessions say. Somebody is possessed. Then if he takes you little sort of exercise, walking about and all that, he puts the right side. May be little balancing. But the trouble is, you see, we are extremists. You see, like a pendulum we are, we are real extremists. We are like a, what you can say, a spring. We go this end and try to go to the other end we never stop in between. We just go to the other end. And that has started, that phase has started in this country already. This hippyism and all this is the second phase. From first to the second has already started. So you see, if you start using hatha yoga. I mean, once in a while, of course I tell you, how to, for example Vishuddhi chakra can be cured by bastika (a breathing excercise). But Vishuddhi chakra is only needed, and at that time you should do bastika which is a very simple exercise, which can cure him. But that should not be an addiction. That is only till he gets cured, once he's cured he need not do it. But if you overdose yourself, what will happen is a simple thing! Are you better now? Seeker: Yes, but you started the shoulder now, I've dislocated that too. Shri Mataji: Now I'm massaging you well. Alright, now let Me see, put your hands under feet nicely. Now close your eyes. Now very good, Still? Now how is Pauline? Is she better? Yes, see , they are showing two Chakras! (laughing) Yogi: It's very cool on the right hand side. Shri Mataji: Good, she's good, you know she's a seeker. She's a real seeker. So you keep to your being, don't take to fashions, that somebody says, "This is this, this is this" No! You are a seeker. You are a seeker of the Truth and keep to the Truth. Alright? This is what it is. Not to listen to anyone. You see because we must have our own personality about it. What I feel, when we have ego, at least we should have our own personality. We must decide for ourselves. Haa! It's better. Because you are a seeker and don't now try to allow others overpower you. No. You should be there to know that you are a seeker and you are a saint. So you must become a saint. You must assume your own powers. Alright? Close your eyes, let's see. Just close your eyes. Now what about him also? Just sit down. Yogi: He read Aurobindo. Shri Mataji: Oh, Aurobindo you have read. We have also read Aurobindo. Yogi: Yes, that's why. Shri Mataji: Alright, we'll manage him. Now give her a bandhan, she's alright, she's very good. He'll be alright, no problem..this Aurobindo! His ladyship (wife) is building a big, has built, a very big place in France. She was going to become young, you know, old woman. At eighty she was trying to become young! Is she better now? She is much better. Give her a balance and bandhan. Now, how are you sir? Seeker: I'm OK. Shri Mataji: Not OK as yet. I have to press your neck you see. Another parachuting. This parachute should be internationally banned. You see, really, I just can't understand! I mean, I can understand small children jumping from something and you have to tell them [off]. But grown-up people do this like children. I can't understand that. If they take to horse-riding, God save them. Anything, football, like mad. How are you now? Better? Just see her, Mandy, can you see her vibrations. Abdul, how are you? Did you meet our Jamel who is holding his neck because I think he's feeling it, you see, everybody is feeling the neck there. You see, because I am holding your neck everybody is feeling their necks. It will be alright, I'm sure. Now, just keep it like this, loose. Seeker: Oh, that's it. Shri Mataji: Alright? Better now? Seeker: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Good! See? Alright. Good? Normal? Seeker: Yes,much better. Shri Mataji: I had to first loosen it, it's very badly stiff, absolutely stiff, all the bones had jammed together. Better now? What do you think about her? Abdul, can you see vibrations? Come along Jamel now, come along. Don't you worry about your neck, I'll put them right. See him, come here, both of you. No, this lady, this one, just see her vibrations. Your feet should be straight. Ha!, that's right. Is it better here now? Are you feeling any burning or anything? No. In the hand, nothing? Where is it? Yogi: Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Swadishthan, left? Only? That's the only problem? Yogi: She also has a problem with left Nahbi. Shri Mataji: Nabhi, what else? You mean right. Right? and Nabhi? Left Nabhi. Better now? Now where is the Kundalini? Yogi: Nabhi area Shri Mataji: Swadishthan? Yogi: Nabhi area Shri Mataji: Still Nabhi? Why are you so serious? Seriousness doesn't give you health, be light, likeable, it works out. I'm trying to make you laugh all of you, all the time. Joking. Why you look so serious? Pauline, you don't have to be serious. Ha! It's good now, she's alright. Raise her Kundalini she'll be alright, I'm sure, she's good. How is this gentleman? Now, how are you? Seeker: Good thank you. Shri Mataji: Good, now are you feeling any throbbing in your hands? Hold My feet, just see. Both the hands? He's got it. Now close your eyes and see is there any thought in your mind. Yogi: She feels fine. Shri Mataji: She, fine? I think she's alright, she's great. What's your surname Pauline? Pauline: O'Donovan Shri Mataji: Odon? But you have to be little careful or it will go back. I'm not saying, maybe, because all the hatha yogis had a problem, you see, so I must tell you. But they come back, they are do it well. Who else we had, a hatha yogi here? Among you I don't think but...How are you now? That's his pain you are getting, put yourself into bandhan. How are you Dominic now? Everybody is feeling. That is his pain, he has a pain. You see, collective consciousness, that's why, in collective consciousness you feel it. Better now. Are you feeling the throbbing alright? It's good, now sit down. Is there someone to tell him how to do? Be careful, he's sleeping. Alright? Take your time, sit down on the table, sit down there, ya! That's good. Better now? Now you are not feeling the pain. You see, because you were feeling Me, because I was touching him. But I'm not feeling any. You were feeling it. Now you know. If there is pain in the body, here, all the nerves feel it but the brain doesn't. In the same way. Now you're not feeling it at all. You are feeling happy. Finished! Still a bit there. You had that, so that is your own. That is your own, but his pain is over. Is he alright? Oh, it is to be seen how Sahaja Yoga works. It's a wonderful thing. How is she? Now you can go and sit there and let Pauline come I'll see her. Pauline come here, come. Sit down. Anyway you can take now, because you are a hatha yoga teacher, you can take a padmasana or something that's it! Siddhasana you know? How to? Or sahajasana like this, straight. Like that, straight. And sahajasana is absolutely spread out. Very good. And you put your left hand on your liver, Debbie, on this side, little higher, yes, little higher. Left side. Raise it, put it to the balance.

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“What happens after Self-realisation?”, Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 26 June 1978. The question is: what happens actually after Self-realisation, to us? Of course, I mean, you feel thoughtlessly aware, you feel collective consciousness, you can feel the kundalini of others, you can raise the kundalini, you can feel the chakras. This is all you know. But actually, what happens in the deeper way to a human being, has to be seen. So, first of all, let us know what are we, as we are, before Realisation, so we will know what happens to us after Realisation. Now the subject is very subtle and I would like you to listen to it in a very, very great concentration. Today I am not going to talk about abstract things but absolutely about something that is very much matter of fact. A human being is created out of evolution - you know that very well - that he is created out of evolution. And there is a big controversy going on. They don't understand these things, that's why there’s a controversy. But he is developed in seven stages and that is why it is said that: seven days He took to create this world. We can say the whole Universe took about seven stages. But, as you understand, a seed has got all microscopic seeds in it, to manifest all the parts of a tree. In the same way human beings were created. And as the seed is again recreated in the flower or in the fruit and then again manifests itself, in the same manner as the basic tree had done, in the same way you can say that every human being also has all these seeds in him. So let us go to the very beginning of The Creation. Absolutely to the very beginning. Of course, I have told you about how, first, the secession between the power of God and God Himself took place. But then after that when the power which was basically one power giving rise to three powers. One power can give rise to three powers. For example, electricity is one power but it can become heat, it can become magnetism, it can become anything. In the same way, one power of God, of Divine love, can give rise to three powers. And these three powers moved in an ellipse way. This much I had told you in my Creation lecture. But today because we are so close and very few I think we can tackle this subject better. Now these three powers, we can say like this; three powers we have. (Mother is probably pointing to a chakra chart) This one first, second and third or you say, this one on the left hand side, this one in the middle and this is on the right hand side. These three powers started moving in an ellipse, like this. Now, the central point is the God. And these are His three powers. But on one line only, you can say. But three of them together move like that, like an ellipse. And back to that point. Again move like that this. They can move in 360 degrees and to them also different directions. But by this movement only they created the Space and also the Time - that took them to start from one point and reach another. And the space was in between these ellipses. So individual movement, every individual movement, created a Space and Time. This movement, when it came down like this, went round and round at a point like that, one on top of another. Like a spiral coming up, you can say. And then it again moved back. When this movement has only taken place, this round thing that is formed or circular thing, now has three powers around it. One in the centre, one on the crust and third one around it, you can say. These three powers in the Sanskrit language are called as Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati. There is no word for these in English language. That doesn't mean we discard all scientific words but there are no words like that. These three powers, out of which the one that was Mahasaraswati, is the one that had five elements in it. One power had five elements. The second one, is the Mahalakshmi, was the one that was carrying the genie in it, of Evolutionary Power. So this was the Evolutionary Power. The third one was the Desire Power, is the Mahakali Power. Now these, when they moved in a circular way like that, the outer crust as you have seen, is formed by Mahasaraswati Power. These are the five elements. When this circular movement became very dense then the whole thing sort of solidified. I mean in English language only you can say ‘solidified’. You see, there’s no words for expression otherwise. But we can say ‘solidified’. And when it ‘solidified’ it cracked. But it had all these three powers. You can imagine [but] we cannot understand. We can understand the five elements because they are scientific but we cannot understand the Power of Evolution, but it is there, we see its operating. From where does it come? And we cannot understand the Power of Desire. It is there but we don't believe in it. We can't believe in a power which has got these three aspects. But it is there. It exists. But we do not want to accept it because to the gross eyes you cannot see [it]. You cannot see a desire of a person, so will you say that person has no desire? These three powers existed, and with the cracking of that round big thing, it’s called as ‘the Big Bang’. I recently learnt it, that it’s already written in the science books, that it’s called as the Big Bang. Actually I did not know that they have already discovered this part. So! And that is how the Big Bang was created. And these again started. These fragments started going round and round. And by their movement their angularities were cut out and they became round bodies. But still they had these three powers in them. With the first power which had the five elements in it. Those five elements have worked out in a human being or we can say manifested in the human being as the body of your centres, chakras. The material body of your centre comes from these five elements that have come from the Mahasaraswati Power. Now these elements in the same proportions have created certain stars. That's why - because these stars have the same kind of proportions and we too have the same elements with in us in that proportion - we say that stars act on human beings. We need not go into that, that’s not important. For evolution that’s not important. Our main interest is evolution. Our main interest is to evolve into a superhuman being. So the second power is the Evolutionary Power and it works throughout. It works when the matter is created. First, the matter is just, we can say, the lava you can call it, or the heated gases which are formed: which have these three powers in them. Then, when they consolidate, then these three powers coordinate, cooperate and work it out so the desiring power is inside them, which desires, which controls the desire of God. It is God who desires that these things should happen and then it works out. Now for a scientist to believe [this] is impossible! But scientists must know [that], even if they desire, they cannot change the quality of matter. If carbon has got four valencies, it will have four. If you put hydrochloric acid into say sodium solution, sodium hydroxide, you will get a particular type of reaction. You cannot change it. But for God, it is His desire that created this Universe. And through His desire He created all these elements that you know of. The carbon was created. It is all Evolutionary Power. From desire it gives to Evolutionary Power and the Evolutionary Power then works it out on these elements and then the elements get divided and get into their different manifestation of these elements. Now, when this happens, gradually the same Desire Power works through the Evolutionary Power by giving different ‘religions’ to us, different powers. Now there is no word for ‘dharma’ [in English]. We were trying to find out! Gavin found out a word so he said, ‘decorum’. But what is a decorum to a matter? Is nothing. I was just thinking about it. I mean, the matter doesn't have anybody about ‘decorum’. But he says the original word ‘decorum’ means the ‘inner understanding’. So the inner understanding is the desire of God to understand the desire of God and to manifest it through your own being. But up to the human stage it is just done the other way round. That the human beings can desire for things, they can ask for things. In the same way animals can ask for things but their desires are fulfilled by God’s will, till a certain stage of human beings. I'll tell you how! Because God created, say, carbon. Carbon never desired. Alright? God wanted to create a carbon so He created it. He never desired, actually, he never thought of it, never. But from carbon He made other things and elements, other elements then, [but] it was not desired by matter at all. So at the time of matter the Desire Power was dormant. God's Desire Power acted but carbon was not conscious of it, neither the carbon asked for it. Is a simple thing. Second point we come to [is] the animal stage which was also organised by God only. I mean, from matter to human being we have not come by our desire or by our doing at all, that is definite. It was God’s desire, so He created animals out of elements. When animals were created, I mean the life as we can say; when life was created and, when life came into being, the desire started manifesting in it. For example, an Amoeba desires to eat. But the desire comes to him and he fulfils it, in the sense that if he sees something, he goes and eats. He desires and he asks for it. Still the Evolutionary Power is not evident anywhere, only the Desire Power is there. So first, only the matter is there, evident, then the Desire Power comes into it - till they come to the human stage. Till the human stage the monkeys never wanted to be human beings. I don't know, if you consult them, they may say, “Oh God please save us from that nonsense! We are happy people you see!” Because to be human beings was not asked by them, neither they had any idea as to what it is like. So up to this point, this Evolutionary Power never played any role. But when you came to the human stage only and also at a very evolved stage of these modern times of Kali Yuga, at this time, we can say. Of course, this desire existed since human beings were on this Earth, to know the beyond. This desire was not existing before the human stage. They (the animals) never cared for the beyond. But it's only the human beings. You know how the ego, superego develops and how they become separated, seceded, from the main force and how they want to be that. Now to make somebody think about the beyond, how do we do it? First, you create an atmosphere by [which it] makes him feel that he is imprisoned. A bird who has got all the sky to fly out doesn't bother about the sky. But put him in the cage, then he starts thinking of the beyond. In the same way a human being…I mean ‘imprisoned’ sounds very ugly and very cruel, but it is not that way. What I’m trying to say [is that] the shelling (enclosing within a shell) of man took place because his ego and superego developed, because he raised his head in his evolutionary process. And when these two meet, then this I-ness, this separateness, this bondage, human bondage starts. Now the desire came to go beyond. Now for the first time the evolutionary process has started working itself through us! [With] this desire to go beyond, the evolutionary process started working in human beings. He started moving this side, that side, working out that, now doing this. In this search, so many sorts of ideologies, so many sorts of isms and so many styles of ‘yogas’ developed. There’s no end to it! To go beyond. But if it is to be understood that - everything has been done by His desire. If you could just know that, “Thy will be done,” is the theme of evolution. If you could feel that from your heart, you are sahaja. That's what it is. Which is a very difficult thing for human beings especially in places where people have done, “Oh, I have done this!” You see, their statues are erected with their swords behind! What have you done? Killed many people? Created problems? What have you achieved? Have you achieved joy for anyone? Have you achieved evolutionary ascent for anyone? What have you created with all these you see around this whole place? With all your efforts, [if] you put [them] together, everything, all human effort, have you been able to break that bondage? Simple question. No! But to accept “Thy will be done,” is the most difficult thing for human beings. And that is why to be sahaja is a difficult thing. If I tell you, “You Stand on your heads!” you will do it! Immediately! If I tell you, even, take out your intestines you will try, if you have to reach God. If I tell you that, “You come and see me.” They will say, “No, better to go to India and see Mataji there than here!” Because some effort should be there, something should be done! But “You mean, [in] Caxton Hall, freely you just go there and Mataji gives you Realisation?” Is beyond human conception, beyond his own powers because he thinks, “Oh, that’s the part where I’m missing myself. Because so far I've done everything by myself. How is it possible?” That's the first doubt that comes into him! But this Evolutionary Power has to be sought, has to be asked for. And this is why human beings are living on this Earth. If not today, tomorrow all of them will have to come to this. Otherwise all kinds of problems: physical problems, say cancer. Cancer cannot be cured unless and until you get this, cannot. You try anything. You may go on removing the nose, the eyes, the ears, this will spread. It cannot be cured. You have to jump into that beyond state otherwise it cannot be cured. Even in religion, people keep in the bondage and follow religion. You cannot! If you are under the bondage you are not following any religion but your own ideas, your own concepts. You are not following the Will of God. Once you become that, then your will becomes the Will of God. So what happens [is] that, through your being, the vibrations start flowing. The parasympathetic nervous system, which is in a human being, is the desire of God carried out, so far. Then this desire of God starts flowing through you. The integration takes place, a complete [integration]. And the manifestation of the Evolutionary Power takes place, in the sense that desire is put on the elements. For example we had a lady here and her husband was a drunkard, a great drunkard. And she couldn't come and see me because her husband was a drunkard. And she said Mother, “What should I do? Must do something about my husband!” I said, “Alright, you bring some limes. Because limes are very good receptors of vibrations,” It’s surprising! You know it sounds funny but they are. What can I do about it? If the limes are like that, I have to use the limes! If any other thing is like that, I have to use that. But limes are the best. So I said, “Alright bring some limes.” So I vibrated the limes. I gave it to her. I said, “You put them under his pillow for seven days.” And next week the gentleman was here! Now what did I do then? Nothing! I didn't even think about it, to be very frank. I just put these vibrations, which are the desire of God, into those limes. When the limes were put there the desire power of my desire power, which is the Will of God, started acting. And they convinced the people who were inside him. The entities might have been inside him maybe, or they might have convinced his mind also or his desire power they must have, somehow or other, managed, that his desire power was brought to such a level that he didn't feel like drinking any more and he was alright. Today you'll find one boy who’ll be coming here, an Indian boy. You have seen that little boy who comes to me. And from his childhood they didn't know what had happened to him. When he grew up a little, they found he was extremely restless and he would not sit at one place and he could not even speak either. He used to run about and cry and weep. And all the time they had to, I mean, really chain him just like a dog. And no doctors could help. They went to all kinds of things. To make it worse they went to spiritualists! The horridest thing that you can do to anyone is. I mean, this is absolutely anti-God business, anti-God. So, nothing could happen. Then somebody told them about me. They came to me and I just did the same thing. And with the limes the child is now sitting alright. And today she says, told me on the phone that, “His understanding has improved a lot. He understands that it is decent to sit properly and he now doesn't misbehave. When he goes to other places, he sits alright and he's alright and he’s started speaking a few words.” Now, I didn't do anything and perhaps I touched that boy only once. The vibrations that you know of, these Divine vibrations, are the desire of your Spirit. But the existence itself is a desire. Existence itself is on the desire. The moment the desire finishes, the existence finishes. That's why it is such an important thing for human beings to exist. They'll try anything to exist because that is the last. Once the desire finishes off to exist, then that's the finish of a human being. Means, as long as, as we call it, that the desire is in the heart. As soon as the heart stops we are dead. Now this desire we have. We have desire to have a house. Everybody wants to live in Buckingham Palace. Alright? We want this matter, we want that matter. We become that way. But this is not the desire of God. This is our own desire and there's a bondage. When we are under the bondage, this is our desire we ask for. Even [in] Sahaja Yoga sometimes people ask me, “Mother, what about my marriage - will it come true?” Leave it to God. Now if it has to come true, if it has to be alright, then God will work it out, not you. Which is very subtle and difficult for people to understand. Then, what Krishna had said one can understand that, “Karmanye vadhikaraste, phaleshou ma kadachan” (meaning) We have to do what we want to do. Karma (work) we can do, but the fruit of that [you must] leave it to God, because He knows [that] the desire of God has to work. The desire of God is to be accepted and he has to work. But that is not possible by giving a lecture to you, by giving you a brainwash, “Alright leave it to God!” This ‘god’ can be pope. ‘God’ can be some cardinal, or ‘god’ can be somebody in India, some sort of a priest who is selling ganja. I mean anybody can that way be a ‘god’; that’s not the point. The God in you, if He is desiring, then He does whatever is best for you. So, after Realisation, what happens? That your desires get vibrated. Your desires, the priorities, start changing. The importance starts changing, because through you the desire of God starts working. It is very interesting. Today only, when somebody told me that he used to go to Germany and would always go and have some wine. Because wine was his favourite and he liked German wine. And this time was wine festival or something. But, after Realisation, very expensive wine: he thought, “Lets try it!” So he bought. He took two, three sips and he just couldn't take it, he couldn't like it. He threw it away. But I didn't say there that, “You just don't drink!” But it's the God in you who’s displeased and you feel His desire. Your desire becomes one with Him and that's how you start discarding it. And this is the basic thing that happens and that's how your priorities change. There was a lady who was a very efficient housewife. And she knew how many clothes she had and how many her husband had and how many children she had and what was the phone number of ‘xyz’ and of the police and this and that. And everything she knew by heart. Absolutely efficient! Extremely meticulous! And everything polished and everything in her house. But if you went to her house, despite all her efficiency, you'd feel like running away by the back door, straight off! No warmth, no love. And you would feel, “Where to sit?” I mean it’s too good and it's so meticulous! You wouldn't feel relaxed, anywhere, to sit down because the lady was so particular about everything. So, she gets Realisation and then what happens? Her priorities change. She came and complained to me, “Mother I am forgetting most of my numbers. I am forgetting how to cook. I don't know where are my things!” I said, “Really? It’s very sad!” (laughter). She said, “But one thing nice is happening to me.” I said, “What is nice happening to you?” She said, “I get it done better! I am cooking much better. People don't run away from me. Things work out.” I said, “How?” She said, “I don't know. Somehow or other I have got the idea of now of timings and not of time.” Now how do you get timings? Difference between time and timings? You have to see the ‘time’, and the ‘timing’ is that you know what time. Today only, we were coming down and I said, “Let’s get the taxi first!” So he went to get the taxi. We were upstairs. After, I don't know how many minutes - because I never see my watch it’s always out of order - I told them, “Lets go down, the taxi’s there.” And I was there in the taxi! The taxi was waiting there. He didn't even press the [door] bell, we were there in the taxi. You see, you get the time! It's so fantastic that people can't believe it, how is it possible. But what happens [is] that: the God’s desire, He organises the thing in such a way, which we call the unconscious. The unconscious becomes conscious within you. What is [the] unconscious? Is the desire of God. The desire of God becomes, in us, conscious and it starts guiding us, all the time. And the guiding, if you leave it to its guiding, it guides us through and through and through. I mean a simple thing like a taxi, I mean, doesn't matter even if I have to walk! It makes no difference. But I am saying even that much is looked after. So why worry? You sit down nicely! Just do what you feel like and it's there! It happens because we say, “We leave at Your feet, oh Lord.” What does that mean? With a single movement He can create this Universe. Really, He can, believe Me, He can. He has done it! You have not done it. You cannot even create a little atom. So when we surrender ourselves - after Realisation! Before Realisation, nothing has meaning. No! After Realisation when we say, “We surrender ourselves to You, oh Lord.” Oh, He has telecommunication of His own!! He has a dynamic force. So you'll be surprised that, it is a power which has desire of God in it, every particle of it. Now, can you think of a matter which has got Evolutionary Power, the Vibrations, and which has got the Desire Power in it? Every particle has that. But when that light is lighted in you, whenever you touch anything, you get it, that thing. Whether it is the matter, whether it's an animal, or whether it's a human being, [it] gets touched by it and kindled. Only thing is that the human beings are aware of it and the others are not. So today somebody came in and he had a bad vishuddhi. I said, “Alright, take My shawl. You wrap it on you.” Finished! He’s cured! It is miraculous, if you call it miraculous. But so many other miracles we take it for granted. Look at our eyes. So the basic thing that happens to you is that your desire power becomes one with God and that everywhere, wherever is the desire power of God is, which is no place, because that's the last thing and the first thing. It was the first which started manifesting, and it is the last where we are going to end up, so it is the first and the last. All those spots and there is no place where these spots are not there. That's why they say, “You are everywhere. There is no place where You do not exist.” Gets lighted up and works. Only in the case of our dear brethren, the humankind that they can deny it. The great freedom of humans beings, to be stupid, exists; to be foolish, to be arrogant, to be egoistical, to be blind, is respected. Under the name of ‘scientific', under the name of ‘rationality’ all kinds of things went on and reached nowhere. But, as you say that, human beings have freedom to be stupid, foolish, to be superficial, to be peripheral and somehow they have accepted that kind of thing. That's why to get people on the Sahaja is a difficult thing. Moreover the desire of God thinks, understands, organises and loves you. But it doesn't pamper you. It loves you, doesn’t pamper you. If you are really seeking, then only it dawns upon you. Otherwise it does not. It is very subtle. It is a very subtle happening. It happens to those who really desire it, that their desire should become one with God; only such people get Realisation. So, in the democratic way, you cannot judge Sahaj Yoga. No, you cannot. Because [in] democratic ways you can say that, “How many people there are coming to Sahaj Yoga?” No, not at all! The less they come, the better it is. That shows because most of them you see are foolish and stupid people in this world, what to do? But the more they come, it only means that there are more people who have become wise, they want to become wise, they want to improve themselves, they want to change their lives, they are truly seeking. Because it is not a superficial stuff which normally people take - sixty percent. And at least thirty percent more are the people who want to take something in which they can play some role. So ninety are cancelled completely because they must play some role! I mean even if I tell you, “You pull your hair like that.” You see there is a community in India (laughing) in which…I mean we have all kinds of people, you see, but this one is special, they are called as ‘Digambaras’ of the Jains sect. They don't wear any dress, nothing! They don't even need your bikini! Absolutely, they live without any clothes. And it’s very embarrassing, you know! Actually it so happened to us that my husband was, when I was very young, you see, he was the collector of a district. And we were invited to a function by these Digambar Jains. Till then I didn't know that they lived like this all through. I thought that at least in the presence of others they dress up, but no! They made the collector and his wife sit in front with all the ‘honours’, and all the people were there - at least thousand people. And these Digambaras were sitting on a platform which was about four feet high. Imagine the embarrassment! And I didn't know where to look, you know!!! And they would go on scratching their body and all that. It was most embarrassing. So ugly and ridiculous. But even that they are willing to do because they thought [that], by that, they become ‘digambars’ - means they become great saints, you know. So, they are willing to do that ugliness and that horrible shamelessness. But apart from that, the worst part was that they were all pulling their hair. So we didn't know why all the time they are pulling their hair and this thing: so the another thing is that they are not supposed to go to any barber and they are not supposed to have any hair on the body, so they're all the time pulling their hair. Sort of it has become art with them. It's a fact, I tell you. And there must be at least five, six thousands like that in India who are doing this nonsense, you know! They walk on the street and under law nobody charges them for nudity. Otherwise in India it’s not allowed to be nude on the road. You are charged for that. But these people we have to, because in the law they will say, “This is our religion, you see. You cannot stop us from being idiotically religious!” So they have to agree (laughing) to such a thing! So imagine there are thousands of people who are doing this kind of a nonsense just in the name of religion. And they [think they] are very superior; they don't look at anyone. “No, we are great. We have sacrificed our shame, of course rationality. But greatest of all our wisdom, we have sacrificed in the name of God!” And that, “You are going to sit on the right hand side of God when we enter into the kingdom of Heaven!” This is one extreme case I'm telling you. When you describe extremes people understand the absurdities to which we go into our conceptualisation of reality and of realisation of that reality. So to be there, one has to know that the greatest mantra is, “Thy will be done.” Little bit of relaxation of your Mr. capital letter ‘E’, capital letter ‘G’, and capital letter ‘O’! If it could be little bit given leave, for a while then it works out like that! (Shri Mataji clicks Her fingers) Rather difficult because that (ego) is the instrument that was used so far to express yourself. But to express God you better give up that one! But then, once it happens, then, after Realisation, you overpower all the elements of the body. What are these elements after all? They are nothing but the dust of His feet. Only the human beings He has put them on his head and given them the freedom to choose. And that's why I have to beg of you to take to your wisdom, to surrender to wisdom and give up your E-G-O for a little while. Then I’ll manage. Let it touch! The Kundalini, let it touch it here (Sahasrar). It is all built-in. It is all in you. It is going to work out and it works out. It has worked with many and it should work with you. But it is an individual question. It is a question of an individual as far as ego is concerned. But it is also a collective force; like many channels. For example, it works much more in India because there are much more channels to work it out. You see, these are the hands. God uses Sahaj Yogis as His hands to work it out. You must have heard of the Goddess who has got one thousand hands. She has these powers behind Her and they are the hands. And She uses different powers, because to do a complicated work, somebody has to pluck your hair, somebody has to pluck your nose, somebody has to pluck your eyes. The trouble is we are so much stuck up with everything! Somebody’s proud of…even I have seen people are proud of their ties which you can purchase in the market! So these things are to be taken away. Once you relieve your ego, and all these powers will work it out and take away all that. Naturally the instrument changed, the ego instrument is changed, so the priorities change. But what do you get as a result? The bliss, the joy, all the promises of all the scriptures. The time has come and you should feel it, you should have it, master it and use it. That's the way it has to be. But I have seen people come from Sahaja Yog, they get realised, they telephone to Me, “We are very nice, Mother. We are feeling very nice.” They sit at home also [and] meditate! But they have to come here, because it's a very deeper way of cleansing and who is going to cleanse you? I am The Washer Woman. I have to do the job. So you better to come to the laundry! That's the point. And work it out. And once you are established, you'll be amazed at yourself. Even with the movement of your hands you can raise the Kundalini, you can! You have seen it. You can give Realisation to people. But just try, because your desire merges into the desire of God. With the ego orientation, with the ego working, the worst thing that has happened to human beings is that his attention is disturbed, is spread out; his attention is not concentrated. The ego orientation has brought about such a disturbed attention. We cannot keep our eyes at one point. Either we look at others, or we want others to look at us. All our attention goes about like this. We cannot look at ourselves, where the attention has to move. And this is the worst thing that ego has done, is to spread your attention around. That is the reason, you see, if you go to the antique shops you can find in this very country there were people who were creating beautiful things. (break in recording) You know, just see how the unconscious has worked! I tell you. Slightest [disturbance]! What is there to attend to? Have you not seen a television, this thing? Have you not seen it going out? Have you not seen it before? But everybody's attention goes out. This is unconscious working again. At this time, why should it go out? Attention immediately goes out. I am telling something important, and very important [but] the attention immediately moves. Who has done this? It is God's will. He’s testing! I am saying the attention can be concentrated now, after Realisation only. But even Realised-souls have to work it out. This is the biggest problem that, I think, I feel: that our attention is so distributed. We cannot do anything in a concentrated manner. That's why there is guru shopping also going on. We, also, cannot do our Sahaja Yoga in a concentrated manner. Because once we do Sahaja Yoga, we are alright, “Oh, we felt very nice, happy, Mother.” Finished! Because the attention doesn't stay at a point. It has become mobile, it’s spread out all over. It doesn't reach any depth or height you can say. If you put them together then it will work out. And to make it worse, to make it worse, ego orientation which has led us to sex orientation. The attention has become filthy. And that's why, we can say that, it is stagnating by ego-orientation. But is getting fermented because of filth to which we pay attention. So, to clear the attention, clear this garbage, into that clear-cut, beautiful lake we have to meditate. We have to allow it to sediment. We have to take it out. By it's own nature it will come out - the beauty. And then you will see a ripple-less lake within you, a peaceful space in which you will see the bliss of God flowing into you, through you; you observing it and seeing it manifesting into others. That is what is to be asked for. No mental activity can do that. It is only the desire to be that, [which] works it. Only the desire to be one with God works it. The mental activity, the rationality, saps it. Through rationality, you cannot reach to God. So humble down in your heart. That's why it is said, “Those who’ll be blessed have to humble down in your heart.” which is very true. It is very, very true that we have to humble down in our hearts so that it works out. And keep your attention steady. Is it too much am I asking? You started with a very humble heart as a child. Only in this life all this has been accumulated bit too much. In past lives you were not like that - much better off. Only in this lifetime, only, you have crossed the limit a little bit. It's not difficult to recede. So just try to humble down in your heart and it will work out. Every time you get your touching of the Kundalini, or you can say the breakthrough, every time you get that experience, keep it in your memory and desire for it and it will work out. Do not keep in memory the faults that you have had [or] where you have been. When you climb up on top of a hill or a mountain, you don't remember all the ditches you have fallen into in your childhood. You enjoy the atmosphere on the hilltop. Make it a strong memory within you, and try to keep it there. I know, this result, for some people is difficult; they come down, again go up. Because of the problems they've had before, the Kundalini comes down. But in Sahaj Yoga there is all arrangement. But if the desire is strong - not the mental activity but the desire - it will work out. And that's why I told you why it is to be, “Thy will be done.” Accept it from the very beginning. This is the basis of what you're going to rise. But the whole details I'll give you later on. But this is the basis which you can be for yourself. Now can we close our eyes? And put your hands towards me. Just saying, “Thy will be done.” Put your hands towards me like this and just say in the heart, “Thy will be done.” Suddenly you will find that the thoughts, you have gone beyond thoughts.

“What happens after Self-realisation?”, Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 26 June 1978. The question is: what happens actually after Self-realisation, to us? Of course, I mean, you feel thoughtlessly aware, you feel collective consciousness, you can feel the kundalini of others, you can raise the kundalini, you can feel the chakras. This is all you know. But actually, what happens in the deeper way to a human being, has to be seen. So, first of all, let us know what are we, as we are, before Realisation, so we will know what happens to us after Realisation. Now the subject is very subtle and I would like you to listen to it in a very, very great concentration. Today I am not going to talk about abstract things but absolutely about something that is very much matter of fact. A human being is created out of evolution - you know that very well - that he is created out of evolution. And there is a big controversy going on. They don't understand these things, that's why there’s a controversy. But he is developed in seven stages and that is why it is said that: seven days He took to create this world. We can say the whole Universe took about seven stages. But, as you understand, a seed has got all microscopic seeds in it, to manifest all the parts of a tree. In the same way human beings were created. And as the seed is again recreated in the flower or in the fruit and then again manifests itself, in the same manner as the basic tree had done, in the same way you can say that every human being also has all these seeds in him. So let us go to the very beginning of The Creation. Absolutely to the very beginning. Of course, I have told you about how, first, the secession between the power of God and God Himself took place. But then after that when the power which was basically one power giving rise to three powers. One power can give rise to three powers. For example, electricity is one power but it can become heat, it can become magnetism, it can become anything. In the same way, one power of God, of Divine love, can give rise to three powers. And these three powers moved in an ellipse way. This much I had told you in my Creation lecture. But today because we are so close and very few I think we can tackle this subject better. Now these three powers, we can say like this; three powers we have. (Mother is probably pointing to a chakra chart) This one first, second and third or you say, this one on the left hand side, this one in the middle and this is on the right hand side. These three powers started moving in an ellipse, like this. Now, the central point is the God. And these are His three powers. But on one line only, you can say. But three of them together move like that, like an ellipse. And back to that point. Again move like that this. They can move in 360 degrees and to them also different directions. But by this movement only they created the Space and also the Time - that took them to start from one point and reach another. And the space was in between these ellipses. So individual movement, every individual movement, created a Space and Time. This movement, when it came down like this, went round and round at a point like that, one on top of another. Like a spiral coming up, you can say. And then it again moved back. When this movement has only taken place, this round thing that is formed or circular thing, now has three powers around it. One in the centre, one on the crust and third one around it, you can say. These three powers in the Sanskrit language are called as Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati. There is no word for these in English language. That doesn't mean we discard all scientific words but there are no words like that. These three powers, out of which the one that was Mahasaraswati, is the one that had five elements in it. One power had five elements. The second one, is the Mahalakshmi, was the one that was carrying the genie in it, of Evolutionary Power. So this was the Evolutionary Power. The third one was the Desire Power, is the Mahakali Power. Now these, when they moved in a circular way like that, the outer crust as you have seen, is formed by Mahasaraswati Power. These are the five elements. When this circular movement became very dense then the whole thing sort of solidified. I mean in English language only you can say ‘solidified’. You see, there’s no words for expression otherwise. But we can say ‘solidified’. And when it ‘solidified’ it cracked. But it had all these three powers. You can imagine [but] we cannot understand. We can understand the five elements because they are scientific but we cannot understand the Power of Evolution, but it is there, we see its operating. From where does it come? And we cannot understand the Power of Desire. It is there but we don't believe in it. We can't believe in a power which has got these three aspects. But it is there. It exists. But we do not want to accept it because to the gross eyes you cannot see [it]. You cannot see a desire of a person, so will you say that person has no desire? These three powers existed, and with the cracking of that round big thing, it’s called as ‘the Big Bang’. I recently learnt it, that it’s already written in the science books, that it’s called as the Big Bang. Actually I did not know that they have already discovered this part. So! And that is how the Big Bang was created. And these again started. These fragments started going round and round. And by their movement their angularities were cut out and they became round bodies. But still they had these three powers in them. With the first power which had the five elements in it. Those five elements have worked out in a human being or we can say manifested in the human being as the body of your centres, chakras. The material body of your centre comes from these five elements that have come from the Mahasaraswati Power. Now these elements in the same proportions have created certain stars. That's why - because these stars have the same kind of proportions and we too have the same elements with in us in that proportion - we say that stars act on human beings. We need not go into that, that’s not important. For evolution that’s not important. Our main interest is evolution. Our main interest is to evolve into a superhuman being. So the second power is the Evolutionary Power and it works throughout. It works when the matter is created. First, the matter is just, we can say, the lava you can call it, or the heated gases which are formed: which have these three powers in them. Then, when they consolidate, then these three powers coordinate, cooperate and work it out so the desiring power is inside them, which desires, which controls the desire of God. It is God who desires that these things should happen and then it works out. Now for a scientist to believe [this] is impossible! But scientists must know [that], even if they desire, they cannot change the quality of matter. If carbon has got four valencies, it will have four. If you put hydrochloric acid into say sodium solution, sodium hydroxide, you will get a particular type of reaction. You cannot change it. But for God, it is His desire that created this Universe. And through His desire He created all these elements that you know of. The carbon was created. It is all Evolutionary Power. From desire it gives to Evolutionary Power and the Evolutionary Power then works it out on these elements and then the elements get divided and get into their different manifestation of these elements. Now, when this happens, gradually the same Desire Power works through the Evolutionary Power by giving different ‘religions’ to us, different powers. Now there is no word for ‘dharma’ [in English]. We were trying to find out! Gavin found out a word so he said, ‘decorum’. But what is a decorum to a matter? Is nothing. I was just thinking about it. I mean, the matter doesn't have anybody about ‘decorum’. But he says the original word ‘decorum’ means the ‘inner understanding’. So the inner understanding is the desire of God to understand the desire of God and to manifest it through your own being. But up to the human stage it is just done the other way round. That the human beings can desire for things, they can ask for things. In the same way animals can ask for things but their desires are fulfilled by God’s will, till a certain stage of human beings. I'll tell you how! Because God created, say, carbon. Carbon never desired. Alright? God wanted to create a carbon so He created it. He never desired, actually, he never thought of it, never. But from carbon He made other things and elements, other elements then, [but] it was not desired by matter at all. So at the time of matter the Desire Power was dormant. God's Desire Power acted but carbon was not conscious of it, neither the carbon asked for it. Is a simple thing. Second point we come to [is] the animal stage which was also organised by God only. I mean, from matter to human being we have not come by our desire or by our doing at all, that is definite. It was God’s desire, so He created animals out of elements. When animals were created, I mean the life as we can say; when life was created and, when life came into being, the desire started manifesting in it. For example, an Amoeba desires to eat. But the desire comes to him and he fulfils it, in the sense that if he sees something, he goes and eats. He desires and he asks for it. Still the Evolutionary Power is not evident anywhere, only the Desire Power is there. So first, only the matter is there, evident, then the Desire Power comes into it - till they come to the human stage. Till the human stage the monkeys never wanted to be human beings. I don't know, if you consult them, they may say, “Oh God please save us from that nonsense! We are happy people you see!” Because to be human beings was not asked by them, neither they had any idea as to what it is like. So up to this point, this Evolutionary Power never played any role. But when you came to the human stage only and also at a very evolved stage of these modern times of Kali Yuga, at this time, we can say. Of course, this desire existed since human beings were on this Earth, to know the beyond. This desire was not existing before the human stage. They (the animals) never cared for the beyond. But it's only the human beings. You know how the ego, superego develops and how they become separated, seceded, from the main force and how they want to be that. Now to make somebody think about the beyond, how do we do it? First, you create an atmosphere by [which it] makes him feel that he is imprisoned. A bird who has got all the sky to fly out doesn't bother about the sky. But put him in the cage, then he starts thinking of the beyond. In the same way a human being…I mean ‘imprisoned’ sounds very ugly and very cruel, but it is not that way. What I’m trying to say [is that] the shelling (enclosing within a shell) of man took place because his ego and superego developed, because he raised his head in his evolutionary process. And when these two meet, then this I-ness, this separateness, this bondage, human bondage starts. Now the desire came to go beyond. Now for the first time the evolutionary process has started working itself through us! [With] this desire to go beyond, the evolutionary process started working in human beings. He started moving this side, that side, working out that, now doing this. In this search, so many sorts of ideologies, so many sorts of isms and so many styles of ‘yogas’ developed. There’s no end to it! To go beyond. But if it is to be understood that - everything has been done by His desire. If you could just know that, “Thy will be done,” is the theme of evolution. If you could feel that from your heart, you are sahaja. That's what it is. Which is a very difficult thing for human beings especially in places where people have done, “Oh, I have done this!” You see, their statues are erected with their swords behind! What have you done? Killed many people? Created problems? What have you achieved? Have you achieved joy for anyone? Have you achieved evolutionary ascent for anyone? What have you created with all these you see around this whole place? With all your efforts, [if] you put [them] together, everything, all human effort, have you been able to break that bondage? Simple question. No! But to accept “Thy will be done,” is the most difficult thing for human beings. And that is why to be sahaja is a difficult thing. If I tell you, “You Stand on your heads!” you will do it! Immediately! If I tell you, even, take out your intestines you will try, if you have to reach God. If I tell you that, “You come and see me.” They will say, “No, better to go to India and see Mataji there than here!” Because some effort should be there, something should be done! But “You mean, [in] Caxton Hall, freely you just go there and Mataji gives you Realisation?” Is beyond human conception, beyond his own powers because he thinks, “Oh, that’s the part where I’m missing myself. Because so far I've done everything by myself. How is it possible?” That's the first doubt that comes into him! But this Evolutionary Power has to be sought, has to be asked for. And this is why human beings are living on this Earth. If not today, tomorrow all of them will have to come to this. Otherwise all kinds of problems: physical problems, say cancer. Cancer cannot be cured unless and until you get this, cannot. You try anything. You may go on removing the nose, the eyes, the ears, this will spread. It cannot be cured. You have to jump into that beyond state otherwise it cannot be cured. Even in religion, people keep in the bondage and follow religion. You cannot! If you are under the bondage you are not following any religion but your own ideas, your own concepts. You are not following the Will of God. Once you become that, then your will becomes the Will of God. So what happens [is] that, through your being, the vibrations start flowing. The parasympathetic nervous system, which is in a human being, is the desire of God carried out, so far. Then this desire of God starts flowing through you. The integration takes place, a complete [integration]. And the manifestation of the Evolutionary Power takes place, in the sense that desire is put on the elements. For example we had a lady here and her husband was a drunkard, a great drunkard. And she couldn't come and see me because her husband was a drunkard. And she said Mother, “What should I do? Must do something about my husband!” I said, “Alright, you bring some limes. Because limes are very good receptors of vibrations,” It’s surprising! You know it sounds funny but they are. What can I do about it? If the limes are like that, I have to use the limes! If any other thing is like that, I have to use that. But limes are the best. So I said, “Alright bring some limes.” So I vibrated the limes. I gave it to her. I said, “You put them under his pillow for seven days.” And next week the gentleman was here! Now what did I do then? Nothing! I didn't even think about it, to be very frank. I just put these vibrations, which are the desire of God, into those limes. When the limes were put there the desire power of my desire power, which is the Will of God, started acting. And they convinced the people who were inside him. The entities might have been inside him maybe, or they might have convinced his mind also or his desire power they must have, somehow or other, managed, that his desire power was brought to such a level that he didn't feel like drinking any more and he was alright. Today you'll find one boy who’ll be coming here, an Indian boy. You have seen that little boy who comes to me. And from his childhood they didn't know what had happened to him. When he grew up a little, they found he was extremely restless and he would not sit at one place and he could not even speak either. He used to run about and cry and weep. And all the time they had to, I mean, really chain him just like a dog. And no doctors could help. They went to all kinds of things. To make it worse they went to spiritualists! The horridest thing that you can do to anyone is. I mean, this is absolutely anti-God business, anti-God. So, nothing could happen. Then somebody told them about me. They came to me and I just did the same thing. And with the limes the child is now sitting alright. And today she says, told me on the phone that, “His understanding has improved a lot. He understands that it is decent to sit properly and he now doesn't misbehave. When he goes to other places, he sits alright and he's alright and he’s started speaking a few words.” Now, I didn't do anything and perhaps I touched that boy only once. The vibrations that you know of, these Divine vibrations, are the desire of your Spirit. But the existence itself is a desire. Existence itself is on the desire. The moment the desire finishes, the existence finishes. That's why it is such an important thing for human beings to exist. They'll try anything to exist because that is the last. Once the desire finishes off to exist, then that's the finish of a human being. Means, as long as, as we call it, that the desire is in the heart. As soon as the heart stops we are dead. Now this desire we have. We have desire to have a house. Everybody wants to live in Buckingham Palace. Alright? We want this matter, we want that matter. We become that way. But this is not the desire of God. This is our own desire and there's a bondage. When we are under the bondage, this is our desire we ask for. Even [in] Sahaja Yoga sometimes people ask me, “Mother, what about my marriage - will it come true?” Leave it to God. Now if it has to come true, if it has to be alright, then God will work it out, not you. Which is very subtle and difficult for people to understand. Then, what Krishna had said one can understand that, “Karmanye vadhikaraste, phaleshou ma kadachan” (meaning) We have to do what we want to do. Karma (work) we can do, but the fruit of that [you must] leave it to God, because He knows [that] the desire of God has to work. The desire of God is to be accepted and he has to work. But that is not possible by giving a lecture to you, by giving you a brainwash, “Alright leave it to God!” This ‘god’ can be pope. ‘God’ can be some cardinal, or ‘god’ can be somebody in India, some sort of a priest who is selling ganja. I mean anybody can that way be a ‘god’; that’s not the point. The God in you, if He is desiring, then He does whatever is best for you. So, after Realisation, what happens? That your desires get vibrated. Your desires, the priorities, start changing. The importance starts changing, because through you the desire of God starts working. It is very interesting. Today only, when somebody told me that he used to go to Germany and would always go and have some wine. Because wine was his favourite and he liked German wine. And this time was wine festival or something. But, after Realisation, very expensive wine: he thought, “Lets try it!” So he bought. He took two, three sips and he just couldn't take it, he couldn't like it. He threw it away. But I didn't say there that, “You just don't drink!” But it's the God in you who’s displeased and you feel His desire. Your desire becomes one with Him and that's how you start discarding it. And this is the basic thing that happens and that's how your priorities change. There was a lady who was a very efficient housewife. And she knew how many clothes she had and how many her husband had and how many children she had and what was the phone number of ‘xyz’ and of the police and this and that. And everything she knew by heart. Absolutely efficient! Extremely meticulous! And everything polished and everything in her house. But if you went to her house, despite all her efficiency, you'd feel like running away by the back door, straight off! No warmth, no love. And you would feel, “Where to sit?” I mean it’s too good and it's so meticulous! You wouldn't feel relaxed, anywhere, to sit down because the lady was so particular about everything. So, she gets Realisation and then what happens? Her priorities change. She came and complained to me, “Mother I am forgetting most of my numbers. I am forgetting how to cook. I don't know where are my things!” I said, “Really? It’s very sad!” (laughter). She said, “But one thing nice is happening to me.” I said, “What is nice happening to you?” She said, “I get it done better! I am cooking much better. People don't run away from me. Things work out.” I said, “How?” She said, “I don't know. Somehow or other I have got the idea of now of timings and not of time.” Now how do you get timings? Difference between time and timings? You have to see the ‘time’, and the ‘timing’ is that you know what time. Today only, we were coming down and I said, “Let’s get the taxi first!” So he went to get the taxi. We were upstairs. After, I don't know how many minutes - because I never see my watch it’s always out of order - I told them, “Lets go down, the taxi’s there.” And I was there in the taxi! The taxi was waiting there. He didn't even press the [door] bell, we were there in the taxi. You see, you get the time! It's so fantastic that people can't believe it, how is it possible. But what happens [is] that: the God’s desire, He organises the thing in such a way, which we call the unconscious. The unconscious becomes conscious within you. What is [the] unconscious? Is the desire of God. The desire of God becomes, in us, conscious and it starts guiding us, all the time. And the guiding, if you leave it to its guiding, it guides us through and through and through. I mean a simple thing like a taxi, I mean, doesn't matter even if I have to walk! It makes no difference. But I am saying even that much is looked after. So why worry? You sit down nicely! Just do what you feel like and it's there! It happens because we say, “We leave at Your feet, oh Lord.” What does that mean? With a single movement He can create this Universe. Really, He can, believe Me, He can. He has done it! You have not done it. You cannot even create a little atom. So when we surrender ourselves - after Realisation! Before Realisation, nothing has meaning. No! After Realisation when we say, “We surrender ourselves to You, oh Lord.” Oh, He has telecommunication of His own!! He has a dynamic force. So you'll be surprised that, it is a power which has desire of God in it, every particle of it. Now, can you think of a matter which has got Evolutionary Power, the Vibrations, and which has got the Desire Power in it? Every particle has that. But when that light is lighted in you, whenever you touch anything, you get it, that thing. Whether it is the matter, whether it's an animal, or whether it's a human being, [it] gets touched by it and kindled. Only thing is that the human beings are aware of it and the others are not. So today somebody came in and he had a bad vishuddhi. I said, “Alright, take My shawl. You wrap it on you.” Finished! He’s cured! It is miraculous, if you call it miraculous. But so many other miracles we take it for granted. Look at our eyes. So the basic thing that happens to you is that your desire power becomes one with God and that everywhere, wherever is the desire power of God is, which is no place, because that's the last thing and the first thing. It was the first which started manifesting, and it is the last where we are going to end up, so it is the first and the last. All those spots and there is no place where these spots are not there. That's why they say, “You are everywhere. There is no place where You do not exist.” Gets lighted up and works. Only in the case of our dear brethren, the humankind that they can deny it. The great freedom of humans beings, to be stupid, exists; to be foolish, to be arrogant, to be egoistical, to be blind, is respected. Under the name of ‘scientific', under the name of ‘rationality’ all kinds of things went on and reached nowhere. But, as you say that, human beings have freedom to be stupid, foolish, to be superficial, to be peripheral and somehow they have accepted that kind of thing. That's why to get people on the Sahaja is a difficult thing. Moreover the desire of God thinks, understands, organises and loves you. But it doesn't pamper you. It loves you, doesn’t pamper you. If you are really seeking, then only it dawns upon you. Otherwise it does not. It is very subtle. It is a very subtle happening. It happens to those who really desire it, that their desire should become one with God; only such people get Realisation. So, in the democratic way, you cannot judge Sahaj Yoga. No, you cannot. Because [in] democratic ways you can say that, “How many people there are coming to Sahaj Yoga?” No, not at all! The less they come, the better it is. That shows because most of them you see are foolish and stupid people in this world, what to do? But the more they come, it only means that there are more people who have become wise, they want to become wise, they want to improve themselves, they want to change their lives, they are truly seeking. Because it is not a superficial stuff which normally people take - sixty percent. And at least thirty percent more are the people who want to take something in which they can play some role. So ninety are cancelled completely because they must play some role! I mean even if I tell you, “You pull your hair like that.” You see there is a community in India (laughing) in which…I mean we have all kinds of people, you see, but this one is special, they are called as ‘Digambaras’ of the Jains sect. They don't wear any dress, nothing! They don't even need your bikini! Absolutely, they live without any clothes. And it’s very embarrassing, you know! Actually it so happened to us that my husband was, when I was very young, you see, he was the collector of a district. And we were invited to a function by these Digambar Jains. Till then I didn't know that they lived like this all through. I thought that at least in the presence of others they dress up, but no! They made the collector and his wife sit in front with all the ‘honours’, and all the people were there - at least thousand people. And these Digambaras were sitting on a platform which was about four feet high. Imagine the embarrassment! And I didn't know where to look, you know!!! And they would go on scratching their body and all that. It was most embarrassing. So ugly and ridiculous. But even that they are willing to do because they thought [that], by that, they become ‘digambars’ - means they become great saints, you know. So, they are willing to do that ugliness and that horrible shamelessness. But apart from that, the worst part was that they were all pulling their hair. So we didn't know why all the time they are pulling their hair and this thing: so the another thing is that they are not supposed to go to any barber and they are not supposed to have any hair on the body, so they're all the time pulling their hair. Sort of it has become art with them. It's a fact, I tell you. And there must be at least five, six thousands like that in India who are doing this nonsense, you know! They walk on the street and under law nobody charges them for nudity. Otherwise in India it’s not allowed to be nude on the road. You are charged for that. But these people we have to, because in the law they will say, “This is our religion, you see. You cannot stop us from being idiotically religious!” So they have to agree (laughing) to such a thing! So imagine there are thousands of people who are doing this kind of a nonsense just in the name of religion. And they [think they] are very superior; they don't look at anyone. “No, we are great. We have sacrificed our shame, of course rationality. But greatest of all our wisdom, we have sacrificed in the name of God!” And that, “You are going to sit on the right hand side of God when we enter into the kingdom of Heaven!” This is one extreme case I'm telling you. When you describe extremes people understand the absurdities to which we go into our conceptualisation of reality and of realisation of that reality. So to be there, one has to know that the greatest mantra is, “Thy will be done.” Little bit of relaxation of your Mr. capital letter ‘E’, capital letter ‘G’, and capital letter ‘O’! If it could be little bit given leave, for a while then it works out like that! (Shri Mataji clicks Her fingers) Rather difficult because that (ego) is the instrument that was used so far to express yourself. But to express God you better give up that one! But then, once it happens, then, after Realisation, you overpower all the elements of the body. What are these elements after all? They are nothing but the dust of His feet. Only the human beings He has put them on his head and given them the freedom to choose. And that's why I have to beg of you to take to your wisdom, to surrender to wisdom and give up your E-G-O for a little while. Then I’ll manage. Let it touch! The Kundalini, let it touch it here (Sahasrar). It is all built-in. It is all in you. It is going to work out and it works out. It has worked with many and it should work with you. But it is an individual question. It is a question of an individual as far as ego is concerned. But it is also a collective force; like many channels. For example, it works much more in India because there are much more channels to work it out. You see, these are the hands. God uses Sahaj Yogis as His hands to work it out. You must have heard of the Goddess who has got one thousand hands. She has these powers behind Her and they are the hands. And She uses different powers, because to do a complicated work, somebody has to pluck your hair, somebody has to pluck your nose, somebody has to pluck your eyes. The trouble is we are so much stuck up with everything! Somebody’s proud of…even I have seen people are proud of their ties which you can purchase in the market! So these things are to be taken away. Once you relieve your ego, and all these powers will work it out and take away all that. Naturally the instrument changed, the ego instrument is changed, so the priorities change. But what do you get as a result? The bliss, the joy, all the promises of all the scriptures. The time has come and you should feel it, you should have it, master it and use it. That's the way it has to be. But I have seen people come from Sahaja Yog, they get realised, they telephone to Me, “We are very nice, Mother. We are feeling very nice.” They sit at home also [and] meditate! But they have to come here, because it's a very deeper way of cleansing and who is going to cleanse you? I am The Washer Woman. I have to do the job. So you better to come to the laundry! That's the point. And work it out. And once you are established, you'll be amazed at yourself. Even with the movement of your hands you can raise the Kundalini, you can! You have seen it. You can give Realisation to people. But just try, because your desire merges into the desire of God. With the ego orientation, with the ego working, the worst thing that has happened to human beings is that his attention is disturbed, is spread out; his attention is not concentrated. The ego orientation has brought about such a disturbed attention. We cannot keep our eyes at one point. Either we look at others, or we want others to look at us. All our attention goes about like this. We cannot look at ourselves, where the attention has to move. And this is the worst thing that ego has done, is to spread your attention around. That is the reason, you see, if you go to the antique shops you can find in this very country there were people who were creating beautiful things. (break in recording) You know, just see how the unconscious has worked! I tell you. Slightest [disturbance]! What is there to attend to? Have you not seen a television, this thing? Have you not seen it going out? Have you not seen it before? But everybody's attention goes out. This is unconscious working again. At this time, why should it go out? Attention immediately goes out. I am telling something important, and very important [but] the attention immediately moves. Who has done this? It is God's will. He’s testing! I am saying the attention can be concentrated now, after Realisation only. But even Realised-souls have to work it out. This is the biggest problem that, I think, I feel: that our attention is so distributed. We cannot do anything in a concentrated manner. That's why there is guru shopping also going on. We, also, cannot do our Sahaja Yoga in a concentrated manner. Because once we do Sahaja Yoga, we are alright, “Oh, we felt very nice, happy, Mother.” Finished! Because the attention doesn't stay at a point. It has become mobile, it’s spread out all over. It doesn't reach any depth or height you can say. If you put them together then it will work out. And to make it worse, to make it worse, ego orientation which has led us to sex orientation. The attention has become filthy. And that's why, we can say that, it is stagnating by ego-orientation. But is getting fermented because of filth to which we pay attention. So, to clear the attention, clear this garbage, into that clear-cut, beautiful lake we have to meditate. We have to allow it to sediment. We have to take it out. By it's own nature it will come out - the beauty. And then you will see a ripple-less lake within you, a peaceful space in which you will see the bliss of God flowing into you, through you; you observing it and seeing it manifesting into others. That is what is to be asked for. No mental activity can do that. It is only the desire to be that, [which] works it. Only the desire to be one with God works it. The mental activity, the rationality, saps it. Through rationality, you cannot reach to God. So humble down in your heart. That's why it is said, “Those who’ll be blessed have to humble down in your heart.” which is very true. It is very, very true that we have to humble down in our hearts so that it works out. And keep your attention steady. Is it too much am I asking? You started with a very humble heart as a child. Only in this life all this has been accumulated bit too much. In past lives you were not like that - much better off. Only in this lifetime, only, you have crossed the limit a little bit. It's not difficult to recede. So just try to humble down in your heart and it will work out. Every time you get your touching of the Kundalini, or you can say the breakthrough, every time you get that experience, keep it in your memory and desire for it and it will work out. Do not keep in memory the faults that you have had [or] where you have been. When you climb up on top of a hill or a mountain, you don't remember all the ditches you have fallen into in your childhood. You enjoy the atmosphere on the hilltop. Make it a strong memory within you, and try to keep it there. I know, this result, for some people is difficult; they come down, again go up. Because of the problems they've had before, the Kundalini comes down. But in Sahaj Yoga there is all arrangement. But if the desire is strong - not the mental activity but the desire - it will work out. And that's why I told you why it is to be, “Thy will be done.” Accept it from the very beginning. This is the basis of what you're going to rise. But the whole details I'll give you later on. But this is the basis which you can be for yourself. Now can we close our eyes? And put your hands towards me. Just saying, “Thy will be done.” Put your hands towards me like this and just say in the heart, “Thy will be done.” Suddenly you will find that the thoughts, you have gone beyond thoughts.

7/10/1978

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"Kundalini". Caxton Hall, London (UK), 10 July 1978. Those who have come for the first time, please come forward, it will be better. Those who have come for the first time, please. Just, no, you can sit on the first and second row so we’ll know that. Because those who have come earlier…Please come! There’s nothing to be afraid of. Makes no difference. Come along. …goes to, other people. And we have to realise one thing: that a human being is born in a different time (?) than an animal. A human being has a sense of beauty. A human being knows what is repulsive, what is not. A fragrance that we call as beautiful, maybe that if a buffalo is passing that way, may not notice it, and he would not mind any kind of filth around. God has made human beings a very special one. Now with our intellect, with our growth, in our understanding of things, the awareness that is developed, of course through our ego, our effort. But still, when human beings reach a certain stage of development they realise that the joy of life is not in matter. They realise it, rationally, not through any experience, but rationally they see [for] themselves, they see around and they find those who are materially equipped are not happy; rationally. But there is something innately built in a human being, that he tries to think beyond. He wants to know beyond. He doesn’t feel satisfied with himself. You may have everything that is asked for, like Gautam Buddha; he was given all the comfort, everything, all the indulgences, all the pleasures of life, but still He wanted to know something beyond. And that beyond is within us. You’ll go to various places to satisfy this spiritual urge within us. In different ways, we run about. Even in the pleasures that we find, there’s nothing but is the hidden spiritual ascent. Because we do not find any joy in these things that’s why we turn ourselves to God, to spirituality, to Christ. But we do not know how to find Him. You try the same cruel (?) method which you have used so far. Supposing you have to find something for yourself, you will use your effort; you think you have to put in an effort. That’s the way we have lived all our lives. By putting effort only you have been able to exist. Even from the stage when we were amoeba, the amoeba had to put in some efforts to get to his food. So this style of our life has been through effort. But then, even when we think of the beyond, naturally we think of putting in some effort about it. What will you do? So we read books! They will read Bibles, we go to church, we go to temples, we go to mosques. Then we start going on seeing people, the holy people, and still we do not find it - because it is within us! You are trying to find it outside. It is said everywhere: it is within us. It is ???. It is in our heart that the source of joy exists. But we go outside; we try to find out from others. Human beings have developed really surprisingly. Many seers have perceived this, like science; you can say, like psychology, other sciences like medical sciences and things like that. And they have also reached the Moon. But still outside. There is no way of going inside. You do not know how to take your attention inside; that’s the the main thing. That’s how you feel frustrated. You reach a point when you say, “No, this has not achieved.” You try to do any sort of thing whatever somebody says, “Alright, by standing on your heads you will get it,” you’ll stand on your head. I mean, not that you have failed yourself. You’ve not failed, you have done whatever was asked for, but still you did not find it. Or they may also say, some of them are really talking like this that, “You have to find it within yourself.” But you don’t know how to find it. You don’t know which is the way to find it - how to take your attention inside. You are listening to Me, you are paying full attention to Me, but if I say, “Please pay attention to yourself, within,” you cannot. But supposing you are paying attention to Me and this glass falls down, something happens - immediately your attention will be attracted towards that. So to attract your attention inside, some happening has to happen within you. There has to be a happening. Something has to happen within you, by which your attention is attracted inside. Now this is not brainwashing. If somebody brainwashes you, “Alright, you do this, you do that and you do that.” - a very simple way. A happening must take place within you so that your attention goes inside to know yourself. And if that is the step ahead of you, if, after this human stage, you have to jump into that, then there must be something built in us; after all, God could not have created us from amoeba to this stage for nothing at all. Now people, there are some people here having a big controversy about evolution and God. There is nothing like that. You see, it is so integrated. God has evolved us; scientists won’t accept, but He has, whether they accept it or not. He has helped us to come to this stage, and so many scientists have accepted this: that it would not have been possible to become a human being in this short time, till the time as preceded (?) from the Sun. It was such a very, very little short time that even a living, one unicellular animal like amoeba could not have been created by the law of chance. But they do not want to explain it. You see, whatever they do not want to explain, they cannot explain, they stamp(??). Another man says, “This is God,” but still, why should you accept that? Why should an intelligent man accept God? Because Mataji says so? Why should he? Why should any scientist accept God? Why should any scientist accept God? “Science is alright set him out.” So the time has to come where you have to prove Him, you have to convince: not mentally, but by experiencing Him, by understanding Him. Like there are many psychologists who believe in the Universal Unconscious and they have proved it, that there is a Universal Unconscious which this gives us in our dreams a lot of balance, courage, harmony. And they have tried to prove how people who depend on their unconscious are always helped in life and are happy. But they too being human beings could not grow at the complete synthetics, synthesis of this Truth, but only part of it. Like they can come into dark rooms say, “This is this. This is this.” Another comes from the other side. He says, “This is this. This is this.” But the complete Truth, they could not put forward. So they are also denied. Now the style of human mind becomes a denial type: it goes on denying. He says, “No, not this, this is not true. That is not true. Even science is temporary. It doesn’t exist, so it’s not true. God is not true, no guru is true, nothing is true.” Then he’s ??. But there is an urge. If there is an urge for drinking water, that means there must be some water provided for. If you believe that there is God who is compassionate, who is kind, then you cannot think Him to be that cruel as not to give you the water of life. And who, so many of them, the great people, like Christ, Krishna; they were written about all these things, they cannot be all wrong. But there has been always a gap between the people who are born at that level and people born at this level. And they could never explain; only those who are sensitive accepted them. So now we are at a juncture, at a time, where something has to be done to prove it. This has to happen. The happening must take place, that too en masse. This must happen to many people otherwise, if it happens to one person, he’s crucified, he’s given poison, he’s treated as mad, insane - till he lives. When he dies, they’ll make temples, churches, wear diamonds, move about seriously, preach about Him. When He lives - murder Him! So the time has come for us to have a new awareness, a new dimension by which we can make out who is good, who is not; by which you will reach that universal unconscious, by which you get connected with that Collective Being about which everybody has been talking. Even Lyall Watson (author of ‘Supernature’ and ‘Lifetide: A Biology of the Unconscious’), the recent biologist, talks about a being which is a collective being, and he thinks that it can embody himself and come round to tell us and decode about the universal unconscious. Everybody has their hoping for this so it must happen. It has to happen. And it happens because you have got within yourself a complete mechanism built-in through your evolutionary process, which is now shown here. This is a very subtle thing. It’s an energy, and you cannot see it; the doctors can’t see it. We have here about two, three doctors sitting down, and they find that medical science is irrelevant now after getting to subtlety. Because whatever is available through the senses, that’s all we can grasp. But whatever is beyond the senses, you cannot. Either we should develop an awareness which is beyond the senses, like a person should have a microscope to see things on the microscope, or you should say, “It doesn’t exist.” We cannot force people to say something which they do not feel. But I am just telling you about this instrument that is within us; but you need not believe Me. But you need not deny Me also. It is both ways. This instrument is, within us, placed like this. Now I’ll tell you, there are seven centres placed. The first is the red one that you see. Down below is the red centre which is called – I mean, only in the Sanskrit language we have names. It doesn’t mean that it is Indian, but it is only in Sanskrit language we have the name. It is not the property of Indians or anybody, it is the property of the whole world, and everybody has it. But as in the medical sciences, the names are only in English. And there are so many things [where] the words are only in English, like “economics” and all that. One doesn’t deny it. In the same way, if some things are in Sanskrit language, you shouldn’t be angry about it and you shouldn’t feel that, “How can that be?” Some things can be known by others also who do not know English language. So it is like that. Because India is a country where people act more leisurely, and there were some people who sat down into meditation and who really worked to find out what is beyond. And they have seen and they have felt and they have understood these things that exist within us. But you also, once you are realised you will also know that it exists, and you will see the pulsation, you will see the rising, you will see every chakra and you can feel it. All this will happen to you after little maturity, after your Self-realisation. But you have to little bit work. As I said that - this is our evolutionary process - so it is a living process. You can understand a seed growing that way. In the same way we grow up into our own manifestation, into our new awareness. Now, a seed becoming a tree: do we ever think that this seed is going to become the tree? But it does. We take it for granted because we see it every day. It happening every day, so for us it’s not a surprise. But, for people who have never seen it happen, would be quite a big surprise. In the same way, this Kundalini when you will start feeling it, you’ll be surprised that it exists. It exists at that round pink place (on the chart) which is at the base of your spine, the triangular bone. You can see it pulsating. It is to be awakened. It is a residual force kept there waiting for your evolution. That is like a plumule, what you call in Sanskrit an ‘ankura’: is part of the seed that anchors itself in ??. That is placed within you, it is there, it is existing. But you know, I have to tell you one thing very frankly, because I have read so many books on Kundalini, I am aghast at that, aghast. I don’t understand. Specially the foreigners. I can understand tantrikas doing that nonsense because they were definitely satanic. They wrote it because they were satanic; they were horrible people, sinful people. But I can’t understand Westerners who have known Christ, to confuse sex with Kundalini, How can sex give you Realisation? How can sex be a part of your evolutionary journey? It cannot. But it helps us to believe [this], because that is one thing we can do! Awakening of Kundalini you cannot do - it is beyond. You cannot achieve it, it is beyond you. It is like a light which is not yet enlightened and it cannot enlighten itself by itself. Some enlightened light has to enlighten it. You cannot do it. So here clearly you can see the red spot is the spot where the Deity for the, all these reproductive functions of human being is placed and is knows as Shri Ganesha. He is Shri Ganesha. Shri Ganesha is the Deity embodiment, of innocence. He is the One who was created long time [back] and He came on this Earth as Lord Jesus Christ. He’s the source. He doesn’t belong to you or to any Christian, He belongs to the whole world. He came for the emancipation of the whole world. If you think that Christ belongs to Churches, He does not. You take it from Me. Neither Krishna belongs to temples, neither Christ. You just open your eyes towards your churches, towards your temple. You see, you have put up some clergymen, appointed them, and you say they are the people in charge of Christ! How can they be? How are they related to Christ? What do they know about Christ? You can read Bible, you can interpret it. What is their model before you? You are also people paid by you - they are your parasites. How can the parasites criticise you (?) and say, “We are that”? But you do not want to think about it. Because we are members of a church, we club together; we want to deceive ourselves on this point. You have clubbed together, but you are a seeker. Church is not going to give you what you want, it is your own temple in your heart where Christ has described. (??) and that is what you should ask for. That’s the thing, that you are the master of everything. And nobody can give you religion but your own. It is written in the Bible, in the Koran, in the Gita, everywhere [that] those people who think they are in charge of religion are really misleading. Same about Hindus, same about Muslims, all of them. And a kind of a fanaticism that has spread out has brought down the whole conception of religion. And now today what we find - the young people are not interested in the churches, not interested in the temples, not interested in the religions. Why? If there was some Truth in this, they would have been. But the Truth is not with these people, they haven’t got the Truth. They are there because you have chosen them. You have started a social organisation! Imagine, in this country where so many Christians are living, such a sex perversion and such a horrid thing that is going on! How is it possible if the churches are functioning (?) properly on religion? They are not. They are most illusive things. I was Myself born as a Christian and I know what they are. It is no about it, but understanding, pure witnesses of the things they have been illicit to. And the reason is - they do not know the Truth. Neither there is freedom for a church goer to think for himself. Your spiritual freedom is individual in all these so-called ‘religious bodies’. We know of our political kingdom very much, economic kingdom we are very particular about - what about your spiritual kingdom? We have to see our spiritual kingdom first of all. You think about it, think out of those cells, and now let us face what it is and, if it is so, then you have a right to get it, you have a right to have it. But if you are in a cage how can you fly? How can your wings work out? So first of all is, when you are here with me, please free yourself from your…I would say ideas or you can say your misidentifications; I call them ‘’mis’’. You can call them identifications. But just now you be yourself, and I will tell you what you have got freely. And face it! You must bravely face it and see for yourself. All these churches and all these temples will have a meaning as soon as there is light of Truth in them. They will have such a beautiful meaning to them once they accept the light of the Spirit. This has happened at the time of Christ also, as you know, and He was crucified by the people who had their (?) - they crucified Him. They destroyed Christ at that time. And He said that, “I have come here to complete your work. I have come here to explain it.” Still they crucified Him. And that should not be repeated again. So please, see for yourself without denying. See for yourself. These are the centres, are placed within you. Now the lower portion of this red centre looks after the reproduction and is presided by the Deity of Shri Ganesha who incarnated on this Earth as Lord Jesus Christ. And this Deity is the embodiment of innocence. Before anything was created on this Earth or in this Universe, it was holiness and innocence that was created. We have spoilt the atmosphere, by our mistakes, by our misidentification, by not understanding. You should not confuse a religion with holiness, with ?, with love. It’s not perverted. It is not destructive. It is constructive. The religion is the sustenance within us by which we become human beings, by which we become superhuman beings. The religion is the sustenance by which the carbon atom has four valencies, by which you have ten religions within you which are described in the Ten Commandments - what happens to them when we do not obey. Then all our machinery goes out of order, all our being gets disturbed and because of that, this happening takes time, much more than it should have taken. As you will grow further in Sahaja Yoga you will realise yourself that it happens. It’s a living energy within you which rests at that point, triangular bone, and which rises when it is awakened. Kundalini awakening has been always confused, wrongly, by wrong people. I was amazed how they take this. “Oh God, they do not know anything about it! What are they talking? How can they tell such lies openly to people? How can they mislead people?” There are people who are writing mandalas, this, that. There is some books on Sanskrit language, I don’t know from where they read something, and they put it in the book. It has no meaning, no relevance to reality, take it from Me. It has no meaning. When you will get your Realisation, when you will get your Realisation, when you’ll become your Self, you can decide for yourself [whether] whatever I am saying is the truth or not. I have to tell you, I have to tell you because it has been [a] bit too much! You have been seekers, real seekers. You have been seeking not [only] in this life but in many lives you have been seeking, and that’s why you are sitting down here. But before you come to Me you have had lots of problems, you have had lots of misidentifications and lots of wounds are there in your Kundalini. I have been treating Kundalini with big, big holes in them. My compassion starts triggering within Me, starts flowing. It makes you feel, itself, very gentle. Absolutely gentle and subtle, you see that, that Kundalini. It is so subtle, you cannot imagine what a Mother feels when such a Kundalini is face to face with me. I know you are seekers, I know you are My children, I know how to give you, I know. And then I find you indiscriminate. So please, now do not play with yourself. Do not destroy you anymore. You have to (?). And please, it is for your good, I think for your emancipation, for your salvation, for your evolution that you have to take to your Realisation; because you must know that there’s a short time now, very short time. In this short time you have to come up because the time has come for the Creation to mature. The maturity time has come, the blossom time has come. And in that blossom many have to mature. Those who will not be matured, you know that the Rider is going to come for the last record, for the last finishing time. He’s going to sort out everything, but there is no time left. He’s not going to be compassionate. He’s going to come with his eleven destructive forces. It’s described in all the scriptures who have said. So it is necessary, and that’s why your urge is also now. Urge is also deeper and that’s why you want to have it. But some of you have spent all your energy in wrong things, like running after some false fellow. The other day I had a German girl come, she hasn’t come today. And she told Me for months together, she was working for a guru. And she went off, all the way to Germany, she went all over the places everywhere. She spent all her energy. She spent all her energy in this, in this man. And then now she’s so fagged out (tired). She said, “Mother, I’m tired. I know I’ve found You but I’m so tired. What to do? I have spent all my money. I’m a broke. I’ve divorced my husband. I’ve sent away my children. I have no energy left. I’m absolutely a broke now, absolutely finished. Now what can You do about it?” Then I said, “It’s alright. They’ll come round.” It happens. People are tired of their seeking. So one should not bother, everybody is not that badly off and one is not that hopelessly tired, are they? At least you know I am there. I’m going to work day in and day out. For four years I’m going to be in London. I’m going to work it out for you, and it’s going to work out. But you must know that you must ask for reality and the Truth. All the time for the Truth. But it cannot be decided by your rationality but by your experience. So you must awaken yourself to the experience. If you haven’t got the experience then [you should] know that you are not yet sensitive. Next time you will get it. But do (??) and then you can achieve it. Some of you really take some time. You have some people here who took lot of time; they used to get vibrations, again lose it, get vibrations, lose it. But it’s not bad. You have to be there. You see, It is a salvaging and even if somebody is pulling you out you again go back, and again you’re pulled out and again you go back. But come back and put your foot there! That’s how you can manage. In short, I’ve tried to tell you that there are these seven centres within us. There is the Kundalini rising. And also I have told you that, after Realisation, you get into a new awareness by which you can feel the collective consciousness. You can feel the centres of other people, you can feel your own centres, you start seeing yourself. Because of this happening, your attention goes inside and you see your Kundalini also rising and you feel a pressure, a gentle pressure working it out and you start seeing everything. You can cure yourself and you can cure others. Your health improves naturally because the vital force which works through your parasympathetic starts raising into you. First of all you get to the mains of the vital force. Your baptism takes place, means your fontanel bone opens, which is called in the Sanskrit language as ‘Brahmarandhra’. Means you open yourself into the Brahma, means the subtle, this subtle All-pervading Power of God, is Brahma. And this flow opens into That and you become aware of That [and] by which you become collectively conscious. Sitting down here you can feel the vibrations of another person. Sitting down here you can cure people. Sitting down here you can awaken the Kundalini. But about Realisation you cannot do it, because Realisation has to be asked for, it has a protocol of its own, you have to knock at the door. If you think you are a great personality then Realisation doesn’t come to you. If you think you have already found it, Realisation says that, “Alright, you go ahead!” But you have to say that, “No, I want to have it,” and you get it. You have to ask, you are to knock at the door. If you do not do that, if you’re not asking for it, you are at liberty, absolutely free to do it. You cannot be forced. You cannot have people mesmerised like that! No, you cannot. Absolute freedom. Even when you have got Realisation you have absolute freedom to fall or to rise. Because freedom is the thing that you have to have and how can you take out somebody’s freedom and give him freedom? You cannot. So the first Freedom comes to you about that, whether you want to have it or not. This is the first freedom that God has given you: to choose right and wrong and He’s going to go beyond it, He’s not going to take away that freedom once He has granted you. Which is throughout mental; and then the complete system, the knowledge and ethics - whatever you know - you will be surprised that you will know it much more clearly, and that I will tell you the de-coding of it, and when you will tally it you will find it works. For example, when we have these five fingers here and five fingers here, when you get Realisation, you’ll be amazed, that from your hand a cool breeze like thing start here. It is mentioned in the Bible that the Holy Spirit emits cool breeze. You will start getting cool breeze. This cool breeze goes into you and you will cool down. It will cool you down completely. Your system will be cooled down and then you will feel that from your hand also a cool breeze is flowing. When you put your hands towards somebody like this, you’ll be amazed, that person maybe little burning on one finger, maybe little numbness on one finger, maybe little heaviness on another finger. Now when I decode it and tell you that you ask that person, “Is he suffering from this trouble?” The other day I met a lady. I said, “Have you got a liver problem?” She said, “I have yes, how do you know?” I said, “Don’t ask Me. If you come to Sahaja Yoga I’ll tell you, because unless and until this happens to you, it has no meaning.” Now, how can you get cured? Because these centres are like this, and this is the left and the right sympathetic nervous system. The parasympathetic is in the centre but the limited amount of energy we have from the parasympathetic gets exhausted - then you get sick. But by Kundalini rising, the Force that is Eternal starts pouring into us, soothing us, and it supplies [energy]. Again they come back to normal and that is how people get cured. Yes I have cured cancer patients. Cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yog - nothing else. This is a simple thing which doctors can not accept; it is the over-activity of the sympathetic nervous system that causes cancer. Cancer came on this Earth since I was born, because of the wars and people started taking into sympathetic activities. Too much of sympathetic activity creates cancer, any kind. Then we can say even a sickness can create a sympathetic activity. Then people say, “It is due to cold [that] cancer has come,” “It is due to rubbing of the nose it has come.” It is not! It is an over-activity that has caused this cancer, and can be completely cured through Sahaj Yoga. But first of all you must get your Realisation. Without Realisation, you should not ask for curing. I mean, they are cured, no doubt but they can be cured, also by touching, it’s alright, but that’s important. You see, you’ll be surprised, there is some magazine I’ve seen which has published about Me in, I think, Tanzania, and some places in, I don’t know, East Africa and all that, about how I have cured people and how I have done, and this is a very miraculous power and all these things. Thousands of letters are now pouring down here, saying, “Mother, you cure our disease, cure this, cure that.” Because for them curing is the main thing! But there are so many wrestlers who also come to Me and say, “Mother, give us peace.” So this is just a by-product. Curing is not the main thing, it just happens. Once you get it, you get it in a bundle, the whole thing. That is your physical being, it works definitely because the vital force supplies you the physical energy. Also your emotional being gets absolutely settled because you become one with your Self. All your fears, all your, all your doubts, all your insecurities settle down because you know that you are the Self. When you start seeing through your Self you become a witness. The whole thing becomes like a drama. As if you are standing in the water and you are afraid of the waves. But once you jump into a boat then you start seeing the drama of the different waves that were frightening you one time and you get settled, you start seeing it like a witness. You have to be a witness. But by saying, “You have to be witness!” you cannot be. It’s a happening. When it happens to you, when you become witness you cannot afford to be worrying because you get a hole here (Brahmarandhra) and while you worry, all these things pass out. On both sides of this hole, here that is the soft bone you have seen amongst children, there you can say, the ego and the super-ego are built up, and that’s how our brain is covered like this, and you develop a feeling that, “I am X, I am Y, I am Z.” This I-ness develops. But when the Kundalini rises, it sucks from both the sides, the ego and super-ego, into these two channels which are on the sides, which are related to our subconscious and to our supra-conscious. Supra-conscious is the future side of it. But in the centre there is a state; you can feel the state because you become thoughtlessly aware, you become thoughtless. To begin with you become thoughtless. You really become blank, you start feeling the silence. Then the Kundalini opens this path. When she opens this path, then what happens? The Brahma, the all-pervading subtle power that is Divine love of God which is all over, in every part and parcel, in every anu, renu as they say in Sanskrit language, in every molecule and atom, this pulsates; you become one with it. Once you become one with it then you start feeling it. Actually, you lose all your so-called powers and you become The Power. You become a part of that Power. You become a hollow personality and you start seeing the beautiful flame, the melody of that power within you, and you start enjoying it. It is their right to have it. You have to have it. But be prepared. You have to accept it. You cannot rationalise it. By rationality you cannot go into that Unlimited place. It is a thing that happens. You just become that. What rationality brought you to this human state? You were amoeba. You became human beings. What rationality a seed has to become a tree? It’s a spontaneous process, brought forth by God’s divine love. He works it out. You cannot even create one flower, if it’s plastic, you can, but not one living flower you can create. The One who creates thousands of thousands of them, millions of millions of them, this beautiful, these things, fragrant flowers of this Earth. The One who creates all this that you see, the ?? and things that we see all around us; such beautiful human being that He creates, so many of them. How can we say that we did anything? It is He does it and that’s why you have to leave the effort at this point. No effort. It just works, it just works. Even I do not put in any effort, you’ll be surprised; no effort at all. Only I have to move ?? to put your chakras alright, sometimes your back bones are little tricky or something has gone wrong, or supposing some people have been dancing too much, or running too much or doing something to them [then] I have to put it little bit straight. Or they’ve been smoking too much, or drinking too much. I mean, they’re after their lives, you see. Some people run for miles together I mean, this is madness, tell you. I know of an old lady, she was eighty years old and she fell from a horse. Why should she do a horse riding? What is the wisdom? You know, all sorts of things, we are after our life all the time: after our physical life, after our emotional life, after our mental life and our social life. So respect yourself. First of all, respect yourself, because this is the temple of God. Respect your body. Respect your being, and achieve it. You have to awaken and achieve it that’s all. There’s not…into details I would not like to say much because, into details it is too much, and sometimes it can be quite a headache. Like I would say, when I have to tell you about this room, I can put off the lights completely and tell you, “Oh, it’s a very beautiful thing. It has a door. It has a red this thing, and it has that.” All those descriptions I can give you, and still I may not be able to tell you much and moreover, I may completely bore you stiff with that. But I can put on the light for you and see for yourself, that’s much easier for Me and for you, and most enjoyable. But if I have to put on the light, I just put the switch on, but there is a mechanism behind it; there’s a very big mechanism. Apart from mechanism there’s a history of electricity coming down. Since four years I’ve written a lot about Spirit, and there is also a very good organisation which is working it out. For one [person] putting the light it is so much [of organisation]. In the same way, in you, there is, and behind you, is a great army of angels and great army of all the incarnations who are working it out. You have had a big seeking of thousands of years when you were just a carbon atom or even before that, just a lava from the Sun, and today you are a human being settled down here to know about your evolution. Now the last step, and which is very important and very vital for us to understand that so far you have not known your evolution, you have never felt, even you were not aware of it. But only at the human level you will know. That is the reason human beings were given freedom. In their freedom they are going to know that we have definitely evolved, you have changed, you have gone transformed. We must get our transformation. If it is not so, all other work such as it is, just talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and talk. We have to get our complete faith within ourselves where you become your Self and that is the experience you should ask for. It has to be, it is invaluable, so you cannot charge for it. Anybody thinking on those lines, must know that you are insulting the Highest of Highest. Anybody who takes money, you must know, are the parasites. It’s so precious, so great, you cannot purchase it, you cannot. It’s more principled, very subtle and extremely sensitive and It thinks, understands. So please be on a subtler level, not on a gross level, then it will work out. Try to be on a very subtle level. You don’t miss it. It is so subtle that you won’t miss it. So be careful about it. It is for you, it is your own. You have to have it. So it’s not a shop, you see, the way people are, “Oh, I didn’t like Her lecture so I’m going away!” That’s not the sort of a thing [it is]. It is not a shop. It is a salvaging process which is trying to help you out. It is there for you, for your seeking, for your fulfilment, complete fulfilment. And this is the way you are going to be convinced about the existence of God and the existence of this Divine Power. And you are the people who are tomorrow going to change all this Universe into a different Realm, about which they have described, the Kingdom of Heaven. May God bless you, May God bless, May God bless. Now, for the experience, can you close this? Now. And one more thing I would tell that, you see, people come here but they are not always informed about this meeting. They get Realisation, I know, but today somebody telephoned and somebody came and saw Me and said they were not informed. But you must know we are not collecting any money, we have no organisation, nothing. Only we have a telephone number, where you could find out. We have it always on Monday at six o’clock. And the more you expose the better. So you should come yourself, and try to come as many times as possible. As it is, you see, it is too much that everybody should write you a letter that, “We would like you to witness the ceremony,” and all that, you see, it is not possible. And you must know that you must also show your own urge to come in. So when the lady telephoned and she said that, “Mother, they have not informed us,” I said, “You should inform everybody else.” No, none of them are responsible in any way less than you are. Everybody is responsible - for themselves and for others. So you have to come yourself, find out yourself, and attend yourself and get the full advantage of it, and you should join others also to understand it. It is a wise thing, it’s a wisdom that should be with you, that you should do it in a way that you should feel responsible about yourself. So this is no excuse. Otherwise, you see, maybe, these people might not have written to all the people possibly. Possibly, you see, they are working very hard; there are about ten or eleven people here working this out. You should come forward and you should say, “We would like to help You. We can write some letters to people.” Because there are some people who are very lethargic about it. You see, they’ll be very quick if there’s a ballroom dancing, but for raising themselves up, to come up, they are not bothered. you see. Because this is to be sought, this is to be asked for, this is to be found out. This is the joy, joy of the joys, and real joy. Nothing else is needed. So please put your hands just like this now, just like this. Now, why do you have to put your hands like this? It’s just because these are the antennae and it works through them. Just put your hands like this. Keep your, both the feet straight like that on the Mother Earth, because that has as earth element. Yes and keep your hands like that. Take out your shoes, if you can take out your shoes. So, feeling cool? Good! Very fast. Close your eyes now. Now just don’t think, because you’re not thinking at all, you see, you’re blind. Now enjoy this thing. This experience is the maximum, you see, first time that you get an experience is the maximum, because the Kundalini is so happy, that after so many years ??. Can you feel the cool now? Close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Close your eyes. Those who are feeling cool, just close your eyes. Just enjoy it in silence. Because the Kundalini is just rises, you see, and touching your Sahasrara, and She’s so happy that it happens so spontaneously. Are you feeling the cool there? Not yet. Just sit comfortably. There is no need to sit very straight or anything. Comfortable, be comfortable. Be comfortable. Whatever pose you are, it will work out. Thank God, you see, it’s written in the Bible that you will feel this thing, you must feel the cool breeze, and the wind has been described. Still, it’s not easy to convince people. Very beautiful people today. Better. Keep your head little open, your forehead, if you don’t mind.

"Kundalini". Caxton Hall, London (UK), 10 July 1978. Those who have come for the first time, please come forward, it will be better. Those who have come for the first time, please. Just, no, you can sit on the first and second row so we’ll know that. Because those who have come earlier…Please come! There’s nothing to be afraid of. Makes no difference. Come along. …goes to, other people. And we have to realise one thing: that a human being is born in a different time (?) than an animal. A human being has a sense of beauty. A human being knows what is repulsive, what is not. A fragrance that we call as beautiful, maybe that if a buffalo is passing that way, may not notice it, and he would not mind any kind of filth around. God has made human beings a very special one. Now with our intellect, with our growth, in our understanding of things, the awareness that is developed, of course through our ego, our effort. But still, when human beings reach a certain stage of development they realise that the joy of life is not in matter. They realise it, rationally, not through any experience, but rationally they see [for] themselves, they see around and they find those who are materially equipped are not happy; rationally. But there is something innately built in a human being, that he tries to think beyond. He wants to know beyond. He doesn’t feel satisfied with himself. You may have everything that is asked for, like Gautam Buddha; he was given all the comfort, everything, all the indulgences, all the pleasures of life, but still He wanted to know something beyond. And that beyond is within us. You’ll go to various places to satisfy this spiritual urge within us. In different ways, we run about. Even in the pleasures that we find, there’s nothing but is the hidden spiritual ascent. Because we do not find any joy in these things that’s why we turn ourselves to God, to spirituality, to Christ. But we do not know how to find Him. You try the same cruel (?) method which you have used so far. Supposing you have to find something for yourself, you will use your effort; you think you have to put in an effort. That’s the way we have lived all our lives. By putting effort only you have been able to exist. Even from the stage when we were amoeba, the amoeba had to put in some efforts to get to his food. So this style of our life has been through effort. But then, even when we think of the beyond, naturally we think of putting in some effort about it. What will you do? So we read books! They will read Bibles, we go to church, we go to temples, we go to mosques. Then we start going on seeing people, the holy people, and still we do not find it - because it is within us! You are trying to find it outside. It is said everywhere: it is within us. It is ???. It is in our heart that the source of joy exists. But we go outside; we try to find out from others. Human beings have developed really surprisingly. Many seers have perceived this, like science; you can say, like psychology, other sciences like medical sciences and things like that. And they have also reached the Moon. But still outside. There is no way of going inside. You do not know how to take your attention inside; that’s the the main thing. That’s how you feel frustrated. You reach a point when you say, “No, this has not achieved.” You try to do any sort of thing whatever somebody says, “Alright, by standing on your heads you will get it,” you’ll stand on your head. I mean, not that you have failed yourself. You’ve not failed, you have done whatever was asked for, but still you did not find it. Or they may also say, some of them are really talking like this that, “You have to find it within yourself.” But you don’t know how to find it. You don’t know which is the way to find it - how to take your attention inside. You are listening to Me, you are paying full attention to Me, but if I say, “Please pay attention to yourself, within,” you cannot. But supposing you are paying attention to Me and this glass falls down, something happens - immediately your attention will be attracted towards that. So to attract your attention inside, some happening has to happen within you. There has to be a happening. Something has to happen within you, by which your attention is attracted inside. Now this is not brainwashing. If somebody brainwashes you, “Alright, you do this, you do that and you do that.” - a very simple way. A happening must take place within you so that your attention goes inside to know yourself. And if that is the step ahead of you, if, after this human stage, you have to jump into that, then there must be something built in us; after all, God could not have created us from amoeba to this stage for nothing at all. Now people, there are some people here having a big controversy about evolution and God. There is nothing like that. You see, it is so integrated. God has evolved us; scientists won’t accept, but He has, whether they accept it or not. He has helped us to come to this stage, and so many scientists have accepted this: that it would not have been possible to become a human being in this short time, till the time as preceded (?) from the Sun. It was such a very, very little short time that even a living, one unicellular animal like amoeba could not have been created by the law of chance. But they do not want to explain it. You see, whatever they do not want to explain, they cannot explain, they stamp(??). Another man says, “This is God,” but still, why should you accept that? Why should an intelligent man accept God? Because Mataji says so? Why should he? Why should any scientist accept God? Why should any scientist accept God? “Science is alright set him out.” So the time has to come where you have to prove Him, you have to convince: not mentally, but by experiencing Him, by understanding Him. Like there are many psychologists who believe in the Universal Unconscious and they have proved it, that there is a Universal Unconscious which this gives us in our dreams a lot of balance, courage, harmony. And they have tried to prove how people who depend on their unconscious are always helped in life and are happy. But they too being human beings could not grow at the complete synthetics, synthesis of this Truth, but only part of it. Like they can come into dark rooms say, “This is this. This is this.” Another comes from the other side. He says, “This is this. This is this.” But the complete Truth, they could not put forward. So they are also denied. Now the style of human mind becomes a denial type: it goes on denying. He says, “No, not this, this is not true. That is not true. Even science is temporary. It doesn’t exist, so it’s not true. God is not true, no guru is true, nothing is true.” Then he’s ??. But there is an urge. If there is an urge for drinking water, that means there must be some water provided for. If you believe that there is God who is compassionate, who is kind, then you cannot think Him to be that cruel as not to give you the water of life. And who, so many of them, the great people, like Christ, Krishna; they were written about all these things, they cannot be all wrong. But there has been always a gap between the people who are born at that level and people born at this level. And they could never explain; only those who are sensitive accepted them. So now we are at a juncture, at a time, where something has to be done to prove it. This has to happen. The happening must take place, that too en masse. This must happen to many people otherwise, if it happens to one person, he’s crucified, he’s given poison, he’s treated as mad, insane - till he lives. When he dies, they’ll make temples, churches, wear diamonds, move about seriously, preach about Him. When He lives - murder Him! So the time has come for us to have a new awareness, a new dimension by which we can make out who is good, who is not; by which you will reach that universal unconscious, by which you get connected with that Collective Being about which everybody has been talking. Even Lyall Watson (author of ‘Supernature’ and ‘Lifetide: A Biology of the Unconscious’), the recent biologist, talks about a being which is a collective being, and he thinks that it can embody himself and come round to tell us and decode about the universal unconscious. Everybody has their hoping for this so it must happen. It has to happen. And it happens because you have got within yourself a complete mechanism built-in through your evolutionary process, which is now shown here. This is a very subtle thing. It’s an energy, and you cannot see it; the doctors can’t see it. We have here about two, three doctors sitting down, and they find that medical science is irrelevant now after getting to subtlety. Because whatever is available through the senses, that’s all we can grasp. But whatever is beyond the senses, you cannot. Either we should develop an awareness which is beyond the senses, like a person should have a microscope to see things on the microscope, or you should say, “It doesn’t exist.” We cannot force people to say something which they do not feel. But I am just telling you about this instrument that is within us; but you need not believe Me. But you need not deny Me also. It is both ways. This instrument is, within us, placed like this. Now I’ll tell you, there are seven centres placed. The first is the red one that you see. Down below is the red centre which is called – I mean, only in the Sanskrit language we have names. It doesn’t mean that it is Indian, but it is only in Sanskrit language we have the name. It is not the property of Indians or anybody, it is the property of the whole world, and everybody has it. But as in the medical sciences, the names are only in English. And there are so many things [where] the words are only in English, like “economics” and all that. One doesn’t deny it. In the same way, if some things are in Sanskrit language, you shouldn’t be angry about it and you shouldn’t feel that, “How can that be?” Some things can be known by others also who do not know English language. So it is like that. Because India is a country where people act more leisurely, and there were some people who sat down into meditation and who really worked to find out what is beyond. And they have seen and they have felt and they have understood these things that exist within us. But you also, once you are realised you will also know that it exists, and you will see the pulsation, you will see the rising, you will see every chakra and you can feel it. All this will happen to you after little maturity, after your Self-realisation. But you have to little bit work. As I said that - this is our evolutionary process - so it is a living process. You can understand a seed growing that way. In the same way we grow up into our own manifestation, into our new awareness. Now, a seed becoming a tree: do we ever think that this seed is going to become the tree? But it does. We take it for granted because we see it every day. It happening every day, so for us it’s not a surprise. But, for people who have never seen it happen, would be quite a big surprise. In the same way, this Kundalini when you will start feeling it, you’ll be surprised that it exists. It exists at that round pink place (on the chart) which is at the base of your spine, the triangular bone. You can see it pulsating. It is to be awakened. It is a residual force kept there waiting for your evolution. That is like a plumule, what you call in Sanskrit an ‘ankura’: is part of the seed that anchors itself in ??. That is placed within you, it is there, it is existing. But you know, I have to tell you one thing very frankly, because I have read so many books on Kundalini, I am aghast at that, aghast. I don’t understand. Specially the foreigners. I can understand tantrikas doing that nonsense because they were definitely satanic. They wrote it because they were satanic; they were horrible people, sinful people. But I can’t understand Westerners who have known Christ, to confuse sex with Kundalini, How can sex give you Realisation? How can sex be a part of your evolutionary journey? It cannot. But it helps us to believe [this], because that is one thing we can do! Awakening of Kundalini you cannot do - it is beyond. You cannot achieve it, it is beyond you. It is like a light which is not yet enlightened and it cannot enlighten itself by itself. Some enlightened light has to enlighten it. You cannot do it. So here clearly you can see the red spot is the spot where the Deity for the, all these reproductive functions of human being is placed and is knows as Shri Ganesha. He is Shri Ganesha. Shri Ganesha is the Deity embodiment, of innocence. He is the One who was created long time [back] and He came on this Earth as Lord Jesus Christ. He’s the source. He doesn’t belong to you or to any Christian, He belongs to the whole world. He came for the emancipation of the whole world. If you think that Christ belongs to Churches, He does not. You take it from Me. Neither Krishna belongs to temples, neither Christ. You just open your eyes towards your churches, towards your temple. You see, you have put up some clergymen, appointed them, and you say they are the people in charge of Christ! How can they be? How are they related to Christ? What do they know about Christ? You can read Bible, you can interpret it. What is their model before you? You are also people paid by you - they are your parasites. How can the parasites criticise you (?) and say, “We are that”? But you do not want to think about it. Because we are members of a church, we club together; we want to deceive ourselves on this point. You have clubbed together, but you are a seeker. Church is not going to give you what you want, it is your own temple in your heart where Christ has described. (??) and that is what you should ask for. That’s the thing, that you are the master of everything. And nobody can give you religion but your own. It is written in the Bible, in the Koran, in the Gita, everywhere [that] those people who think they are in charge of religion are really misleading. Same about Hindus, same about Muslims, all of them. And a kind of a fanaticism that has spread out has brought down the whole conception of religion. And now today what we find - the young people are not interested in the churches, not interested in the temples, not interested in the religions. Why? If there was some Truth in this, they would have been. But the Truth is not with these people, they haven’t got the Truth. They are there because you have chosen them. You have started a social organisation! Imagine, in this country where so many Christians are living, such a sex perversion and such a horrid thing that is going on! How is it possible if the churches are functioning (?) properly on religion? They are not. They are most illusive things. I was Myself born as a Christian and I know what they are. It is no about it, but understanding, pure witnesses of the things they have been illicit to. And the reason is - they do not know the Truth. Neither there is freedom for a church goer to think for himself. Your spiritual freedom is individual in all these so-called ‘religious bodies’. We know of our political kingdom very much, economic kingdom we are very particular about - what about your spiritual kingdom? We have to see our spiritual kingdom first of all. You think about it, think out of those cells, and now let us face what it is and, if it is so, then you have a right to get it, you have a right to have it. But if you are in a cage how can you fly? How can your wings work out? So first of all is, when you are here with me, please free yourself from your…I would say ideas or you can say your misidentifications; I call them ‘’mis’’. You can call them identifications. But just now you be yourself, and I will tell you what you have got freely. And face it! You must bravely face it and see for yourself. All these churches and all these temples will have a meaning as soon as there is light of Truth in them. They will have such a beautiful meaning to them once they accept the light of the Spirit. This has happened at the time of Christ also, as you know, and He was crucified by the people who had their (?) - they crucified Him. They destroyed Christ at that time. And He said that, “I have come here to complete your work. I have come here to explain it.” Still they crucified Him. And that should not be repeated again. So please, see for yourself without denying. See for yourself. These are the centres, are placed within you. Now the lower portion of this red centre looks after the reproduction and is presided by the Deity of Shri Ganesha who incarnated on this Earth as Lord Jesus Christ. And this Deity is the embodiment of innocence. Before anything was created on this Earth or in this Universe, it was holiness and innocence that was created. We have spoilt the atmosphere, by our mistakes, by our misidentification, by not understanding. You should not confuse a religion with holiness, with ?, with love. It’s not perverted. It is not destructive. It is constructive. The religion is the sustenance within us by which we become human beings, by which we become superhuman beings. The religion is the sustenance by which the carbon atom has four valencies, by which you have ten religions within you which are described in the Ten Commandments - what happens to them when we do not obey. Then all our machinery goes out of order, all our being gets disturbed and because of that, this happening takes time, much more than it should have taken. As you will grow further in Sahaja Yoga you will realise yourself that it happens. It’s a living energy within you which rests at that point, triangular bone, and which rises when it is awakened. Kundalini awakening has been always confused, wrongly, by wrong people. I was amazed how they take this. “Oh God, they do not know anything about it! What are they talking? How can they tell such lies openly to people? How can they mislead people?” There are people who are writing mandalas, this, that. There is some books on Sanskrit language, I don’t know from where they read something, and they put it in the book. It has no meaning, no relevance to reality, take it from Me. It has no meaning. When you will get your Realisation, when you will get your Realisation, when you’ll become your Self, you can decide for yourself [whether] whatever I am saying is the truth or not. I have to tell you, I have to tell you because it has been [a] bit too much! You have been seekers, real seekers. You have been seeking not [only] in this life but in many lives you have been seeking, and that’s why you are sitting down here. But before you come to Me you have had lots of problems, you have had lots of misidentifications and lots of wounds are there in your Kundalini. I have been treating Kundalini with big, big holes in them. My compassion starts triggering within Me, starts flowing. It makes you feel, itself, very gentle. Absolutely gentle and subtle, you see that, that Kundalini. It is so subtle, you cannot imagine what a Mother feels when such a Kundalini is face to face with me. I know you are seekers, I know you are My children, I know how to give you, I know. And then I find you indiscriminate. So please, now do not play with yourself. Do not destroy you anymore. You have to (?). And please, it is for your good, I think for your emancipation, for your salvation, for your evolution that you have to take to your Realisation; because you must know that there’s a short time now, very short time. In this short time you have to come up because the time has come for the Creation to mature. The maturity time has come, the blossom time has come. And in that blossom many have to mature. Those who will not be matured, you know that the Rider is going to come for the last record, for the last finishing time. He’s going to sort out everything, but there is no time left. He’s not going to be compassionate. He’s going to come with his eleven destructive forces. It’s described in all the scriptures who have said. So it is necessary, and that’s why your urge is also now. Urge is also deeper and that’s why you want to have it. But some of you have spent all your energy in wrong things, like running after some false fellow. The other day I had a German girl come, she hasn’t come today. And she told Me for months together, she was working for a guru. And she went off, all the way to Germany, she went all over the places everywhere. She spent all her energy. She spent all her energy in this, in this man. And then now she’s so fagged out (tired). She said, “Mother, I’m tired. I know I’ve found You but I’m so tired. What to do? I have spent all my money. I’m a broke. I’ve divorced my husband. I’ve sent away my children. I have no energy left. I’m absolutely a broke now, absolutely finished. Now what can You do about it?” Then I said, “It’s alright. They’ll come round.” It happens. People are tired of their seeking. So one should not bother, everybody is not that badly off and one is not that hopelessly tired, are they? At least you know I am there. I’m going to work day in and day out. For four years I’m going to be in London. I’m going to work it out for you, and it’s going to work out. But you must know that you must ask for reality and the Truth. All the time for the Truth. But it cannot be decided by your rationality but by your experience. So you must awaken yourself to the experience. If you haven’t got the experience then [you should] know that you are not yet sensitive. Next time you will get it. But do (??) and then you can achieve it. Some of you really take some time. You have some people here who took lot of time; they used to get vibrations, again lose it, get vibrations, lose it. But it’s not bad. You have to be there. You see, It is a salvaging and even if somebody is pulling you out you again go back, and again you’re pulled out and again you go back. But come back and put your foot there! That’s how you can manage. In short, I’ve tried to tell you that there are these seven centres within us. There is the Kundalini rising. And also I have told you that, after Realisation, you get into a new awareness by which you can feel the collective consciousness. You can feel the centres of other people, you can feel your own centres, you start seeing yourself. Because of this happening, your attention goes inside and you see your Kundalini also rising and you feel a pressure, a gentle pressure working it out and you start seeing everything. You can cure yourself and you can cure others. Your health improves naturally because the vital force which works through your parasympathetic starts raising into you. First of all you get to the mains of the vital force. Your baptism takes place, means your fontanel bone opens, which is called in the Sanskrit language as ‘Brahmarandhra’. Means you open yourself into the Brahma, means the subtle, this subtle All-pervading Power of God, is Brahma. And this flow opens into That and you become aware of That [and] by which you become collectively conscious. Sitting down here you can feel the vibrations of another person. Sitting down here you can cure people. Sitting down here you can awaken the Kundalini. But about Realisation you cannot do it, because Realisation has to be asked for, it has a protocol of its own, you have to knock at the door. If you think you are a great personality then Realisation doesn’t come to you. If you think you have already found it, Realisation says that, “Alright, you go ahead!” But you have to say that, “No, I want to have it,” and you get it. You have to ask, you are to knock at the door. If you do not do that, if you’re not asking for it, you are at liberty, absolutely free to do it. You cannot be forced. You cannot have people mesmerised like that! No, you cannot. Absolute freedom. Even when you have got Realisation you have absolute freedom to fall or to rise. Because freedom is the thing that you have to have and how can you take out somebody’s freedom and give him freedom? You cannot. So the first Freedom comes to you about that, whether you want to have it or not. This is the first freedom that God has given you: to choose right and wrong and He’s going to go beyond it, He’s not going to take away that freedom once He has granted you. Which is throughout mental; and then the complete system, the knowledge and ethics - whatever you know - you will be surprised that you will know it much more clearly, and that I will tell you the de-coding of it, and when you will tally it you will find it works. For example, when we have these five fingers here and five fingers here, when you get Realisation, you’ll be amazed, that from your hand a cool breeze like thing start here. It is mentioned in the Bible that the Holy Spirit emits cool breeze. You will start getting cool breeze. This cool breeze goes into you and you will cool down. It will cool you down completely. Your system will be cooled down and then you will feel that from your hand also a cool breeze is flowing. When you put your hands towards somebody like this, you’ll be amazed, that person maybe little burning on one finger, maybe little numbness on one finger, maybe little heaviness on another finger. Now when I decode it and tell you that you ask that person, “Is he suffering from this trouble?” The other day I met a lady. I said, “Have you got a liver problem?” She said, “I have yes, how do you know?” I said, “Don’t ask Me. If you come to Sahaja Yoga I’ll tell you, because unless and until this happens to you, it has no meaning.” Now, how can you get cured? Because these centres are like this, and this is the left and the right sympathetic nervous system. The parasympathetic is in the centre but the limited amount of energy we have from the parasympathetic gets exhausted - then you get sick. But by Kundalini rising, the Force that is Eternal starts pouring into us, soothing us, and it supplies [energy]. Again they come back to normal and that is how people get cured. Yes I have cured cancer patients. Cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yog - nothing else. This is a simple thing which doctors can not accept; it is the over-activity of the sympathetic nervous system that causes cancer. Cancer came on this Earth since I was born, because of the wars and people started taking into sympathetic activities. Too much of sympathetic activity creates cancer, any kind. Then we can say even a sickness can create a sympathetic activity. Then people say, “It is due to cold [that] cancer has come,” “It is due to rubbing of the nose it has come.” It is not! It is an over-activity that has caused this cancer, and can be completely cured through Sahaj Yoga. But first of all you must get your Realisation. Without Realisation, you should not ask for curing. I mean, they are cured, no doubt but they can be cured, also by touching, it’s alright, but that’s important. You see, you’ll be surprised, there is some magazine I’ve seen which has published about Me in, I think, Tanzania, and some places in, I don’t know, East Africa and all that, about how I have cured people and how I have done, and this is a very miraculous power and all these things. Thousands of letters are now pouring down here, saying, “Mother, you cure our disease, cure this, cure that.” Because for them curing is the main thing! But there are so many wrestlers who also come to Me and say, “Mother, give us peace.” So this is just a by-product. Curing is not the main thing, it just happens. Once you get it, you get it in a bundle, the whole thing. That is your physical being, it works definitely because the vital force supplies you the physical energy. Also your emotional being gets absolutely settled because you become one with your Self. All your fears, all your, all your doubts, all your insecurities settle down because you know that you are the Self. When you start seeing through your Self you become a witness. The whole thing becomes like a drama. As if you are standing in the water and you are afraid of the waves. But once you jump into a boat then you start seeing the drama of the different waves that were frightening you one time and you get settled, you start seeing it like a witness. You have to be a witness. But by saying, “You have to be witness!” you cannot be. It’s a happening. When it happens to you, when you become witness you cannot afford to be worrying because you get a hole here (Brahmarandhra) and while you worry, all these things pass out. On both sides of this hole, here that is the soft bone you have seen amongst children, there you can say, the ego and the super-ego are built up, and that’s how our brain is covered like this, and you develop a feeling that, “I am X, I am Y, I am Z.” This I-ness develops. But when the Kundalini rises, it sucks from both the sides, the ego and super-ego, into these two channels which are on the sides, which are related to our subconscious and to our supra-conscious. Supra-conscious is the future side of it. But in the centre there is a state; you can feel the state because you become thoughtlessly aware, you become thoughtless. To begin with you become thoughtless. You really become blank, you start feeling the silence. Then the Kundalini opens this path. When she opens this path, then what happens? The Brahma, the all-pervading subtle power that is Divine love of God which is all over, in every part and parcel, in every anu, renu as they say in Sanskrit language, in every molecule and atom, this pulsates; you become one with it. Once you become one with it then you start feeling it. Actually, you lose all your so-called powers and you become The Power. You become a part of that Power. You become a hollow personality and you start seeing the beautiful flame, the melody of that power within you, and you start enjoying it. It is their right to have it. You have to have it. But be prepared. You have to accept it. You cannot rationalise it. By rationality you cannot go into that Unlimited place. It is a thing that happens. You just become that. What rationality brought you to this human state? You were amoeba. You became human beings. What rationality a seed has to become a tree? It’s a spontaneous process, brought forth by God’s divine love. He works it out. You cannot even create one flower, if it’s plastic, you can, but not one living flower you can create. The One who creates thousands of thousands of them, millions of millions of them, this beautiful, these things, fragrant flowers of this Earth. The One who creates all this that you see, the ?? and things that we see all around us; such beautiful human being that He creates, so many of them. How can we say that we did anything? It is He does it and that’s why you have to leave the effort at this point. No effort. It just works, it just works. Even I do not put in any effort, you’ll be surprised; no effort at all. Only I have to move ?? to put your chakras alright, sometimes your back bones are little tricky or something has gone wrong, or supposing some people have been dancing too much, or running too much or doing something to them [then] I have to put it little bit straight. Or they’ve been smoking too much, or drinking too much. I mean, they’re after their lives, you see. Some people run for miles together I mean, this is madness, tell you. I know of an old lady, she was eighty years old and she fell from a horse. Why should she do a horse riding? What is the wisdom? You know, all sorts of things, we are after our life all the time: after our physical life, after our emotional life, after our mental life and our social life. So respect yourself. First of all, respect yourself, because this is the temple of God. Respect your body. Respect your being, and achieve it. You have to awaken and achieve it that’s all. There’s not…into details I would not like to say much because, into details it is too much, and sometimes it can be quite a headache. Like I would say, when I have to tell you about this room, I can put off the lights completely and tell you, “Oh, it’s a very beautiful thing. It has a door. It has a red this thing, and it has that.” All those descriptions I can give you, and still I may not be able to tell you much and moreover, I may completely bore you stiff with that. But I can put on the light for you and see for yourself, that’s much easier for Me and for you, and most enjoyable. But if I have to put on the light, I just put the switch on, but there is a mechanism behind it; there’s a very big mechanism. Apart from mechanism there’s a history of electricity coming down. Since four years I’ve written a lot about Spirit, and there is also a very good organisation which is working it out. For one [person] putting the light it is so much [of organisation]. In the same way, in you, there is, and behind you, is a great army of angels and great army of all the incarnations who are working it out. You have had a big seeking of thousands of years when you were just a carbon atom or even before that, just a lava from the Sun, and today you are a human being settled down here to know about your evolution. Now the last step, and which is very important and very vital for us to understand that so far you have not known your evolution, you have never felt, even you were not aware of it. But only at the human level you will know. That is the reason human beings were given freedom. In their freedom they are going to know that we have definitely evolved, you have changed, you have gone transformed. We must get our transformation. If it is not so, all other work such as it is, just talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and talk. We have to get our complete faith within ourselves where you become your Self and that is the experience you should ask for. It has to be, it is invaluable, so you cannot charge for it. Anybody thinking on those lines, must know that you are insulting the Highest of Highest. Anybody who takes money, you must know, are the parasites. It’s so precious, so great, you cannot purchase it, you cannot. It’s more principled, very subtle and extremely sensitive and It thinks, understands. So please be on a subtler level, not on a gross level, then it will work out. Try to be on a very subtle level. You don’t miss it. It is so subtle that you won’t miss it. So be careful about it. It is for you, it is your own. You have to have it. So it’s not a shop, you see, the way people are, “Oh, I didn’t like Her lecture so I’m going away!” That’s not the sort of a thing [it is]. It is not a shop. It is a salvaging process which is trying to help you out. It is there for you, for your seeking, for your fulfilment, complete fulfilment. And this is the way you are going to be convinced about the existence of God and the existence of this Divine Power. And you are the people who are tomorrow going to change all this Universe into a different Realm, about which they have described, the Kingdom of Heaven. May God bless you, May God bless, May God bless. Now, for the experience, can you close this? Now. And one more thing I would tell that, you see, people come here but they are not always informed about this meeting. They get Realisation, I know, but today somebody telephoned and somebody came and saw Me and said they were not informed. But you must know we are not collecting any money, we have no organisation, nothing. Only we have a telephone number, where you could find out. We have it always on Monday at six o’clock. And the more you expose the better. So you should come yourself, and try to come as many times as possible. As it is, you see, it is too much that everybody should write you a letter that, “We would like you to witness the ceremony,” and all that, you see, it is not possible. And you must know that you must also show your own urge to come in. So when the lady telephoned and she said that, “Mother, they have not informed us,” I said, “You should inform everybody else.” No, none of them are responsible in any way less than you are. Everybody is responsible - for themselves and for others. So you have to come yourself, find out yourself, and attend yourself and get the full advantage of it, and you should join others also to understand it. It is a wise thing, it’s a wisdom that should be with you, that you should do it in a way that you should feel responsible about yourself. So this is no excuse. Otherwise, you see, maybe, these people might not have written to all the people possibly. Possibly, you see, they are working very hard; there are about ten or eleven people here working this out. You should come forward and you should say, “We would like to help You. We can write some letters to people.” Because there are some people who are very lethargic about it. You see, they’ll be very quick if there’s a ballroom dancing, but for raising themselves up, to come up, they are not bothered. you see. Because this is to be sought, this is to be asked for, this is to be found out. This is the joy, joy of the joys, and real joy. Nothing else is needed. So please put your hands just like this now, just like this. Now, why do you have to put your hands like this? It’s just because these are the antennae and it works through them. Just put your hands like this. Keep your, both the feet straight like that on the Mother Earth, because that has as earth element. Yes and keep your hands like that. Take out your shoes, if you can take out your shoes. So, feeling cool? Good! Very fast. Close your eyes now. Now just don’t think, because you’re not thinking at all, you see, you’re blind. Now enjoy this thing. This experience is the maximum, you see, first time that you get an experience is the maximum, because the Kundalini is so happy, that after so many years ??. Can you feel the cool now? Close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Close your eyes. Those who are feeling cool, just close your eyes. Just enjoy it in silence. Because the Kundalini is just rises, you see, and touching your Sahasrara, and She’s so happy that it happens so spontaneously. Are you feeling the cool there? Not yet. Just sit comfortably. There is no need to sit very straight or anything. Comfortable, be comfortable. Be comfortable. Whatever pose you are, it will work out. Thank God, you see, it’s written in the Bible that you will feel this thing, you must feel the cool breeze, and the wind has been described. Still, it’s not easy to convince people. Very beautiful people today. Better. Keep your head little open, your forehead, if you don’t mind.

7/17/1978

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Ego, The West, Love & Money

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“Ego, the West, Love, Money” Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 17 July 1978. Shri Mataji: How are you? Better? Seeker: Not too bad Shri Mataji: Not too bad! Everybody improving gradually, isn’t it! How are you Dominic? Dominic: Fine! Shri Mataji: You are always fine! Look at that answer! “Fine” He’s fine since he is born, but the whole world is horrid, isn’t it? (Laughing) For a realised-soul it is so. He feels very surprised the way things are in this world, very much shocked also. How many have come for the first time? Please raise your hands. Yes. Who else? You? Three, four of you? I think if they come in. You too have come for the first time? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: No? You have got it, you have got it. What about you you have come for the first time? Woman: I came last time. Shri Mataji: Last time? What happened? Did you feel alright? Good! How did you feel? Good, and you were there too? Woman: No. Shri Mataji: No? First time alright. What we can do, those who have come for the first time, should either sit on that side, and it should be quite obvious to see you. And I would like to see their Kundalinis. If you sit that side that should work out. Or in the front would be better. In the front row would be better, should we? I think yes, that would be better so that you give them a support from the back, those who are already realised. Gavin you sit here next to me. This is your position, alright? Good! Please come forward, please all of you. You came here last time? Did you get the vibrations? Did you feel the cool breeze? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Alright then what do you do? Every saint, everything is not truth. There are fake also. But there must be some reality. You see every copy comes out of some absolute. There has to be somebody absolute otherwise how do you get the copy? There has to be something, truth, otherwise you cannot get the falsehood. So I said this is a bit too much. That means when you go on denying things then you even deny the truth? Then why seek? And this is what happened with him. But still you know you cannot convince these things because the brain starts working too fast with that, Krishnamurti style. You know, I have seen Krishnamurti’s disciples (laughing) coming out with all kinds of brainy waves they have, really brainy people, poor things. You know what happened, one of them was the grandson, grandson of this Lahiri Baba (Shyama Lahiri, founder of Kriya Yoga cult). Have you heard of him Lahiri Baba? Who was the guru of this Yoganand. Now this Yoganand was never realised, neither his guru Lahiri Baba. Now if I tell that people will say, “Mother what are you saying?” But that’s a fact, I have to tell you the truth, isn’t it. How can I tell you a lie? They never had their Realisation. Now, this one comes to me, his grandson: he told me Mother I don’t think you can really give me Realisation and can I ever achieve it. I said what has happened with you? But a great analyzer and witnessing himself, you see. He said first, “I was the grandson of Lahiri Baba. Naturally I have to do Kriya Yoga because that is what I inherited with everything else. Whatever money they earned I inherited it.” So he said that, “Because I was the grandson of Lahiri Baba I had to take to Kriya Yoga. In Kriya Yoga you cut your tongue. Hello Ronnie, how are you? Ronnie: Well. Shri Mataji: Good, Good! I am happy that you say that. Sit down! Sit down! Come along! Take out your shoes. Be comfortable! And this gentleman who came to me he said, “First I did Kriya Yog.” Now in Kriya Yoga imagine, what goes on! You have to cut your tongue from down here. Imagine! Push it back to touch it here see and sit in that condition for at least one hour, practicing that. So these people always have their tongue coming out. Then you have to do another thing is a pratak, is to fix your attention here, and go on looking at something and all sorts of things, so that always their eyes are like this. Suddenly talking you find that they have gone squinty. Every method of destroying yourself, every method that Kriya Yoga. We had one doctor in India, he died now. I mean we tried and tried but he couldn’t talk because they had cut his tongue, he couldn’t hear because they had done something to his ears. He couldn’t see me square because his eyes were always going in this way, that way. I said, “Now this kind of a great personality what am I to do with you?” You cannot fix his eyes, you cannot fix his nose, you cannot fix his tongue. And everything he’s done, absolute, complete destruction of himself. Now what am I to do? So who has done this?” He said, “I went to Los Angeles I spent so much rupees, went there and stayed there, got this thing done.” I said, “But why? Why did you do it? After all you should have thought of it, anybody in our country, we have had so many.” He was an Indian. I can understand you people doing that because you don’t know, but he knows. “Which saint in this country had a tongue cut and put it back? Any saint you tell me.” He said, “But they must have done it.” I said, “If they would have done it they would have written it somewhere. How do you know?” “But it is a very difficult thing Mother.” I said, “Whatever difficult it may be it is never tongue cutting.” This was Mr Kriya Yoga. All right? So the Kriya Yogis come to me first and they argue with me, “How can it be that simple?” “But I said, “If it is simple, it is simple. Now see my house and Caxton Hall is hardly five minutes walk. Now somebody goes on arguing with me, “How can it be five minutes?” But it is five minutes, what am I to do if it is so? (laughter) Can you help it? It is spontaneous. It is the easiest thing, simplest thing. But people go on arguing, “How can that be that simple? Has to be difficult!” I mean, in this Kundalini awakening also, the second part, where still Mr. Krishnamurti doesn’t come in - this is the second part this Krishnamurti’s style. But, we say the first part is Kundalini awakening. I told you about the man who came to me in Kolhapur, and he was sitting just in front, and he put his feet [to me] like this. So Indians know that you can’t put your feet towards a holy person. So they said, “What are you doing? You are not supposed to do like that.” He said, “Please allow me to do that.” He said, “Why?” He said, “You know if I sit like this I start jumping like a frog.” He said, “Why?” “Because my Kundalini is awakened!” People said, “Your Kundalini has awakened and that’s why you have to jump like a frog?” “Yes my guru has told me.” So they sent him to me and I said, “How can you become a frog in your evolution? You have to be something higher you have to behave in a much higher way than to jump like a frog.” He said, “No, no, it is written, my guru has written the book and I will show you!” So he brings the book of his guru’s guru. Just imagine! Very big name that fellow had you know! I never knew he was such a horrid thing. And in the book it was written that some people with the awakening of the Kundalini, they start jumping like a frog. Now, I said, “Now what am I to do? If you do not jump what can I do about it?” You do not jump like a frog or anything. That’s all nonsense! Some sort of a stimulus has set in I think, something like that and it’s a reflex action goes on like that; or some sort of a spirit or something, because this is all absurd I think. It never happens like that. But a book has been written and they have thousands of disciples! I said, “Now what to do?” And in that great country, India, where you gather people know what is religion, what is God. I was amazed at these people. So things like this, one after another. Then the second part poor our, you see he is a great, Bala is a great seeker you see, he’s really a great seeker. So he went to the second part of seeking, then he got fed up of all the gurus and nonsense and the amount they took out from him, the money that he had to give them and all that. So he said: “This is not, this is not, this is not.” So he went to another fellow, was Mr Krishnamurti, who has a voice and talks like. (Mother demonstrates the deep, hoarse, dry, voice of this false guru.). I went to his programme also, I wanted to see. I went to all of them, actually. Very serious people would come, [as if] something oracle of Delphi was about to speak. And I said, “This fellow is not even realised, what is he going to tell you?” But still I was just wondering [if] he might say something sensible. So, all that he said was, “You are your guru. There is nobody else. You are your own guru, be yourself. That is what you have to seek.” Now how do you do it? So all these people are like that. When you talk to them you find that Mr Krishnamurti has come into you. So this fellow he told me, he told me that, “Mother you cannot cure me.” That, “Then I went to Mr Krishnamurti and he has taught me this. He told me that don’t believe in any guru. So I don’t believe in any guru. But then I later on discovered that on one side I am Lahiri Baba and on the other side I am Krishnamurti. I can give lectures like Lahiri Baba And also like Krishnamurti whichever one you want you can put my tape and I can start and I can even speak better than Krishnamurti, you want to hear me?” Then he sat down he took my saris, he said, “Let me cover myself.” And he really copied him very well. He said, “Now do I look like Krishnamurti?” I said, “Really you speak like him!” And he said, “Mother I have not achieved it. Now can you help me?” I must tell you, I am sorry, so far I have not been able to do anything for him. Every time I go to India he comes to me. But now he feels very shy so he comes to me privately. But his Kundalini comes up and falls down, rather difficult, rather difficult. Because it’s too much seeking so he’s fallen into so many ditches. But one day it will come up I am sure it will work out, because he is a good man and he’s suffered for nothing at all because of his seeking. And all such people will be blessed no doubt because they didn’t do anything wrong. They just went because they were seeking. And in seeking if you go to someone and if there is any harm to you, then rest assured that you will be looked after, you will be absolutely looked after. And it’s the responsibility of Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoga and myself, to see that all the seekers who are genuine must get their Realisation which is their birthright. They all must get it. It is their own, it is their very own and they must get it. And it works out. But as I told you there are many hurdles and we have hurdles pertaining to every style of our living, it’s surprising! We accumulate the way we live, in what conditions we live, under what atmosphere we live. And as we are here, mostly western people, hardly any Indians, we have to face our problems as westerners. And the problems of westerners are a little complicated, the same way as I would say that, in the beginning they had to go to their ego-orientation because they had to develop their country. For example Caxton Hall was not there say for a few years back. Nothing was here, this was a place called as Londes, London was Londes and Londes means the place, which is, Lon means mud, and this was nothing but just mud here. And it’s such a cluster of mud was there that people had to dig in to make houses deep down, that’s why we have so many basements here. Perhaps you may not be knowing this but that is how London was built. All these bridges and all these undergrounds were built because of that. So it’s a blessing in disguise that we could have the best tubes and things because we had lots of mud here. And out of that out of that mud, you know we created a city. And not only a city but a nation. And naturally people had to work very hard for that and life was very hard, and that they had to build up. Then gradually when the science exposed itself to the power of giving a special facility to human beings the whole attention, the whole attention of all of the western countries, went to science and they started exploring how they can master the matter, how can they can get come up, how they can do something better. Then when they mastered also matter and all that, with that they started seeking again: “Are we going to make life easier, happier, and joyful?” Of course, the life became easier in a way, but in a way difficult. The way it was easier was this that definitely you have cooking ranges and you have got what you call these vacuum cleaners and everything much simpler than the people who have to do everything with their hands, and they don’t do that good sometimes maybe as you can do with machines, some of the cleaning processes, maybe. But maybe the art part they do better. But the difficulty came in when we did too much of ego-orientation, we worked on the right hand side of our sympathetic nervous system, which we call as the manifestation of the Pingala Nadi, ego-orientation. Now this is the right side is completely managed by the power of Mahasaraswati: is the power. It’s a Sanskrit word because I can’t help it. But we can say is the power of doing something, kriyashakti, is to do something . So naturally when somebody has to do you think of the future all the time: “This I am going to do. This I must organise. This I must put this right. This I must do it!” Despite all this organisation what we find [is that] we are very much disorganised within ourselves. So what has happened with this: even we have organised our religion which was the greatest hit I think that happened to you. Because religion is something that has to be left to yourself. It is your own thing, which you have to seek for yourself. You cannot organise religion because it is God’s own giving. You have to leave space for its working. On the contrary if you make it into a machine like thing, or if you can ask some priest who passed through some theological college and graduates in charge of that, you can never go near it, because they are the people [who are] just like us! And we cannot have faith in them. There’s nothing special about them. That’s why the religion became absolutely rigid! Actually you lost all your freedom that was spiritual. You will be amazed: you have political freedom, you have economic freedom, but you have lost your spiritual freedom because of this. I do not say that there is anything wrong with having churches, or having temples, but it is definitely wrong to have them the way we have. It is such a compact stuff: you go there, you put down your name, they put the water on your head, you become a Christian. You cannot. To become a Christian is the most difficult thing. You can [easily] be Hindu but you cannot be a Christian. Christian means a person who is baptised, means who is realised, whose Brahmarandra is broken, whose top of the fontanelle bone is cleared out, who is absolutely baptised is the Christian: not the one who goes and takes communion with beer and Scotch whisky. That cannot be a realised-soul. A realised-soul means a person whose Sahasrara is cool, who has become one with the Divine, who has become one with the collective consciousness. It is something that’s a happening within, who is a reborn person, who is a twice born, as Christ has said. It is not the way people say, that, come along, now christening, at the age of say ten months or so, when you don’t understand anything, you go to them and they put their hands on your head. Actually it’s very dangerous, take it from me. Why? Because the children’s Brahmarandra, or fontanelle bone, is very soft; and that time these unauthorised people who are anti-Christ - they are all anti-Christ because they have no authority to preach about God - they put their hands there to spoil the Kundalini. First thing [happens is] Kundalini is spoilt. No priest in India would touch here, he would not. No priest would touch here. If you ask him to touch here, he would say, “No, no. I cannot .” You try doing it, anybody. Even a Muslim priest will not touch here. Only a Christian has that much confidence, because it is sinful to touch anybody’s Kundalini, so no Hindu will touch here. At the most they will touch here, but they will not touch this part. You can go and find out from them. Even from the greatest rakshasas I call them, these devils who have come as fake gurus: they will not touch here either because that means you are just putting hands onto the point where he’ll be really burnt. So you can imagine by this kind of graduates who do not know anything about inside, suddenly becoming your priests! How can you have respect for anyone who is nowhere near spirituality, he’s just a priest? So such a great religion which requires people only who are baptised, just imagine, has been thrown to dogs, to People who do not know what baptism is, who do not know what Kundalini is, who do not know how to achieve Self-realisation, those who do not know what is the Self. They do not know the manifestation of anything. Only there they take money from you, make some diamonds, wear on your body and walk seriously to say he’s the pope! How does he become a pope I do not know. It is understanding that will lead you there, not any kind of a reactionary methods, but understanding of the reality. And the understanding of the reality is that if you have to be Christian. You have to be a realised-soul, otherwise you are not Christian. So all Sahaja yogis are really Christians in the Indian style of religions it is called as dweejaha, dweejaha - twice born. The one who is born again, the second time he’s born. Like that, we can say the birds are also born dweejaha. They are first born as eggs. We are born as eggs: our ego and superego makes us an egg. We are like a shell. It has to be there, to have our I-ness to have our freedom to choose between right and wrong. And then when we mature the Mother can break the shell and you become a second person, the person who is twice born. This is what is really baptism. It is a happening. You cannot give somebody a brainwash about it. You cannot say you are a Christian, you cannot brand someone. It has to happen within you and that is what it is. And if you are really seeking the truth as a reality then you must ask for that. Now the problem is, when I talk about these things, there have been some rude letters to me, there have been. Of course you have every right to be rude to me. I mean, it doesn’t matter, because it is a question of rights. People here have rights for everything. Even if they don’t pay for it they can be. It’s not difficult for people to be rude in this country or any other country of this kind. Because we think that we can be rude to people despite the fact that they do not know a word about what I am talking, and they do not know what I am doing, they have not seen my work and the work of the Kundalini. Without going into it, they are rude. Alright, they can be rude. But the question they ask, one of them asked me a question that, “We have heard it is very difficult to get Kundalini awakening. How can it be so spontaneous? How can it be so quick?” It is! You can see with your own eyes. All of them have it. I can show you the rising of the Kundalini. You all can see yourself. I challenge you that much. If you do not believe me, you can give up. Now this is an escape, this is a typical escape of an ego-oriented society. It’s an escape, “How can it be possible? It is not possible.” But supposing it is there. Very primitive though. It is a very primitive style. It would be like saying, “How can you go on the moon?” “But you have been there!” “No it might be a photograph you have taken!” All the time doubting. But supposing it is. Then the next question is, “Why? How?” Maybe I am something. Maybe there is a definitely something about me, something special, that’s why it’s happening. You better find out. Or are you going to deny me only because you think it is not possible. This is your own idea. You haven’t yet come inside. You have not seen it. You have not felt it. You are denying it, “How can it be possible?” Isn’t it true? (laughter) It happens that way. That is a typical ego-oriented mind. When I came to London I had some disciples here, who are still living here, in India, who told me, “Mother you must work for the western people.” I said. “Go ahead, I’ll be very happy.” Because I know you are all saints, you are seekers no doubt. But this ego-orientation has given you another type of an angularity which is a very difficult thing to explain. So I said, “Go ahead! Definitely go ahead with it. I don’t mind.” So, first time when I had a programme here, we had about three hundred people, second time we had a programme we had two hundred and fifty, then we had two hundred, then we had one hundred, then we are having fifty. So you see we are getting smaller and smaller. On the other score, which I never went into, is an Indian community say or Asians or anything. I said, “I will have nothing to do. I’ll work only on foreigners to begin with.” Very few Indians here. I mean I call them foreigners because compared to India I am saying. So you will be amazed that in one shot I get three hundred people here, Indians. They called me. Yesterday I went to Crawley there must have been three hundred and fifty. Out of them eighty percent got Realisation, eighty percent got Realisation. Now my disciples have stopped saying that you must look after only the westerners here because you can always work on Indians in India. They have stopped saying that. I would love to do anything whatsoever, work out for you, but what can you do about the Mr E.G.O.? This Patricia [Proenza] will tell you about it, she knows. You see it’s such a tremendous colossal stuff, which all the time is giving you ideas which doesn’t allow you to open yourselves to reality. After all, what I am asking [of] you? What are you giving me? What am I asking you to surrender? Somebody asked me, “Mother after all, we have to surrender our ego.” I said, “No, no. I am not saying that. Don’t surrender anything. But awaken your wisdom. Can you do that? That’s better.” If I say you have to surrender your ego then I have had it! First of all even to say that you are egotistical itself is a terrible stuff, and then to say that surrender your ego is even a worse thing. But after Realisation you start seeing the colossalness of it and you start, “Oh God! This was on my head? Now come along Mr Ego go down!” And you work it out that way. But take it, because this is what you have to have. You are not to miss it. This is for you. Thank God I do not take any money, anything, it’s all free for you. That’s why. Because you cannot buy it. It is invaluable. It is the love of your Mother. Try to understand. Try to understand. It is love, the love of God which cannot be sold. You have to think with your heart, can you? Can you think with your heart? You have to feel with your heart, to get to Sahaj Yoga. This is a very big problem but once you get your Realisation it starts growing. Gradually it starts coming up. Even those who are quite rude to me come back saying, “Mother it has started working in me. It has come up. I have felt the cool now I know what it is.” The another method which can be employed is this, the simple method is, that you say that, “I can cure people.” This I do, I can do. And you can cure people you can cure people. Now see Bala has given Realisation to him. I was wondering, he said he’s come for the first time: you can see he is a realised-soul. Everybody can see he is a realised-soul. [That] Bala should give him Realisation, just imagine! What is there? This fellow who was standing here, in Algeria he has given Realisation to three hundred young people, in Algeria. And most surprising the way we are ego-oriented the same way we are very afraid of each other, very afraid of every person, very afraid of doing anything. Look at him he just went out and said, “Yes I have found the truth come along. Now you come along.” Five hundred people: engineers, doctors, all educated young people. He talked to them he told them, “This is what I have found out, now see for yourself take it.” But [here] it is very difficult for people to speak. Of course for politics they may stand on the box there on what do you call it Hyde Park and say something there, but for the truth, they are very slowed down, afraid of others. This is another sign: we are very afraid of each other while we are all tied by one thread of love. All of you are! You are all like little beads in the necklace of God. You are all such beautiful things. You have no idea. Only thing is you have not yet found the thread with which you are tied. You are really very beautiful but this ego business is terrible that has made everyone so ugly. They just start shouting at you for nothing at all. What is there to shout? I went to Crawley yesterday, now for example: I didn’t have any disciples there, but they have heard about me. I cured only one man of his diabetes, just one man. But he was cured, just like a shot. So he went and told that, “The Shakti has come, She’s Shakti.” Like that and everyone believed him. When I went there you will be surprised even the Stationmaster who was an Indian, touched my feet. He couldn’t take my ticket, he touched my feet, that’s finished! I went there, they had aarti and everything they did that. They all got into Realisation and everything there. When we were coming back we sat in a non-smoking compartment. There was a tall, hefty, handsome looking fellow sitting in a very good suit and everything and he started smoking. So one of them said this is non-smoking. So he gave one abuse, a very nice one, special one he must have learnt from somewhere I don’t know from where he picked it up. And he said, “This door doesn’t say that, so I can smoke and do what you like,” because he’s paid for it, you see. But he never thought that, maybe, even if it was non-smoking or smoking, he never thought that, “I am disturbing somebody. I myself am am going to get the cancer and I am giving it to others.” I mean it’s a question of just understanding through your heart. But I would say, any other person from a developing country if he is there, if you say, “Please don’t smoke.” “Oh I am sorry did I hurt you? I never knew you don’t smoke.” And he’ll get down at the other station and go to the other compartment. He would not. It is regarded as shameless, it is regarded as vulgar, not only that but is regarded... (break in recording from first side of 60 minute cassette) …can’t imagine somebody can kill their children. I mean they just cannot think, they cannot imagine. They love their children. They can do anything for their children, and they go to any extent, to such an extent that they can even now supposing the Queen has a son and he wants to have money, then she can even steal things from the treasury and give it to him for sale. That’s possible for an Indian woman, she can do it. For them children, and family are most important. They can go to any extent! This is left side movement. Too much involvement in the family, too much involvement: “This is my child. This is somebody else’s child.” All these things are there. With that, also, you can get very much possessed, as you are getting possessed by ego. And when you get possessed by that kind of idea, there are some sort of spirits also can come into you and you can suffer from very bad possessions of the spirits. But the only advantage in such conditions is that we think speech can trouble you. Supposing a person does that, the police will catch hold of such a man and put him in the jail. He may be a king, but he’ll do that. But for ego there is no treatment. Unless and until you become violent, nobody is going to catch hold of your ego. You can say whatever you like with your tongue, nobody says anything. You be very rude to anyone, you have a right. This is what is ego. And I think ego is such a horrible thing that it gives you sin and you do not even feel this much. It makes you live in sin and you will say, “What’s wrong in it?” Sharing sex partners: “What’s wrong in it?” Running away with another man and giving up your responsibilities, your children left behind: “What’s wrong? Because I am enjoying!” It’s very arbitrary. It is malignant. Like one cell in the body says now my this thumb says, “What’s wrong? I am going to grow.” So it grows like that and the rest of the hand goes like this. “What’s wrong?” Because there is no co-operation for creation in the palm at least, then what about the body? It is very arbitrary. Do you understand that? It’s a very serious thing that a person can decide, “What’s wrong? I am doing this. Yes I like it, so I am doing it.” I like it. You may like it, but what about the whole being? You are a part and parcel of a whole and you are just a little cell. The only way you can become the whole is by understanding the will of the whole. By becoming the will of the whole you become the whole ocean. The drop becomes the ocean. But we become small when we start thinking, “Oh I can do whatever I feel like!” And then when do we land in our own egos? In the orphanages. Ten old men in one orphanage, ten old women in another orphanage, and ten young children in another orphanage. Imagine! Under the roof of God these people become all alone. There’s no heart of a Father who loves you and the Holy Ghost who is your Mother. This is absolutely self-destroying this ego, and non loving. I mean it is hatred to others. I mean I don’t know why should we hate others? We are so beautiful. God has created us with such care, you have no idea. When you will see your chakras opening, [you will understand] how he has made you so beautiful, with different colours, with different deities He has put. How He has made you a beautiful temple, if you can see this here all of you. Just see this is the temple that you are made out of. See the chakras that he has made you. How beautifully He has placed you. Through your evolution you have come up one by one. You are so beautiful. Now why should we hate others? And by that you hate others. Why you should be angry with yourself? Why should you pity yourself? You do not know how beautiful you are. And it is you only, in the whole universe, in the whole creation, in the whole play of God, it’s only you the human beings who are going to be there, not frogs and animals and chickens. You are going to be the chief guests in the palace of beauty and dignity. You have to enter the Kingdom of God. So why hate yourself? I can’t bear it. I can’t bear my children hating themselves like this. Why? Because you are limited, because this nonsensical ego is overdeveloped. Push it up. You are not your ego. You are the Spirit. You are your love. Open out! Completely open out. There is no need to protect yourself, there is no need to have fears about it. Are you getting the cool in your hands? A little bit? Yes I can see that. Put your hands please. And feel very fine, you see! It’s relaxing all the Sahaja Yogis! It’s here. It happens. Automatically it will happen. Now the third thing is one has to understand that after coming to Sahaj Yoga it happens to you no doubt, but we have problems. And we have created problems ourselves. At every stage of our lives, we have wounded ourselves, every stage. As a child we have wounded ourselves. I mean you were wounded already. I wouldn’t say you have done it. You might not have done it yourself. Maybe your parents, maybe your society. There have been lots of wounds, there have been lots of unhappiness in your lives. Then as you grew up, in adolescent age also, you have been wounded. And you had to be changed, you had to be destructive, that had to be done. Then maybe in your seeking you have been much more wounded than anywhere else, possibly. Maybe because of the society you have lost the purpose of your life? It’s very very possible. It might have happened, anything to you, makes no difference to me. You have come to me and that is my duty is to see that everything is changed. Same with your Kundalini: when she is awakened, at the first shot, most of the people will just get it at the first shot, and they say, “Mother we felt very hyper, absolutely gone, we were lost,” they said. But then gradually it settled down and you started doing it for yourself. But you are to be different, you are to be cured. And some of them write to me that, “Mother we don’t think we are ???” How do you know that? This is another escape. Who is going to spare you? Who is going to love you? Who is going to look after you? Who is going to do all that is necessary to put the Kundalini up there? So why do you want to escape it? Again you will go back to the same and as you have heard me talking, some people have again redeveloped cancer especially. So this is a very subtle thing in which you have to settle down. You have to settle down in such a manner that you are never removed from your seats. For that you have to a little bit be careful, and patient. Patience is the key word of Sahaja Yoga with you people especially. You must know, because you have mixed patience. You haven’t got patience with yourself, and you have got so annoyed. And most of them are like that I’m so surprised. They write, “Mother we feel so ashamed of ourselves, how can we be?” Now what is this? Whom are you going to face when you cannot face your own Mother? Whom are you going to save? Just think of that. Why should you feel that way ? It’s so very wrong. Are you afraid of me? Am I going to do you any harm to you in any way? Never. I know your problems. I know mistakes have been done: what you call as ‘sin’. But as I have told you a hundred times, no sin is greater than my love. Alright? Give me a chance. Give me a chance to work out. Now don’t reject yourself. Because you are the people, you are the lights that are finished. And you are to be enlightened and you have to enlighten the whole world. We are standing at a precipice now from where it is possible that we will be destroyed. Look at the joy here! He cannot contain within himself! That’s what happens. It happens. When it happens it works everywhere. It’s really remarkable. You are getting the cool breeze in the hand? Believe me it is. You see we start wondering, “How it is possible? How can it happen? It is not possible. It cannot happen to me.” Yes it can happen. Why not? What’s wrong with you? You cannot believe because it is too great, fantastic. But when we ask for it: supposing you ask for the moon and the moon comes, then what do you say? You have been seeking the hills and dales finding it. You don’t know yourself. You don’t your past. You know why you were born today. Yesterday an Indian came and asked me in my ear, he said, “Mother, do you mean to say that it is our past lives that is bringing us here? Otherwise we can’t et Realisation.” I said, “Why do you want to weigh everything? Why you must know why?” It is so because I feel like it. Finished now. Let it out. You must enjoy yourself. After all, every Mother wants that her child must enjoy. She doesn’t find out how much pain he’s getting in the shop. She doesn’t find out everything. She just says, “Alright I have cooked for them let them come and enjoy themselves!” That’s all. You will enjoy everything in my enjoyment. And you must know that your enjoyment is the enjoyment of God. God wants you to enjoy yourself. He doesn’t want you to kill yourself morning till evening. Tapping yourself morning till evening, hitting yourself how can you? You have parents, you have a father and mother. Do you think as parents would you like your child to be hitting himself morning to evening? Here He made all this beautiful world, and he wants you to enjoy it. He wants you to see how beautiful he has made for you: how comfortable, how blissful is the reality that God has spread for you. And he wants to see his children prospering and enjoying and witnessing the great play of his joy. That’s what it is. He really has worked very hard and now this is at the culmination point you should not disappoint Him because of certain foolish ideas you have from somewhere. It’s very childish. I think it is very childish. You should be childlike, but not childish. That’s alright. I never get angry with anyone, those who even shout at me. I know, they are children. It makes no difference to me. But don’t waste your time. You have to grow. You have to mature. You have to enjoy the fruit of your seeking. Look at our (??) he’s just a little boy. He’s very natural. He could be your great grandfather the way he’s knowledge, absolutely complete. So that’s what it is, a little child could be absolute. You all could be like that boy, absolutely like that one: No questions, no doubts, nothing! Just there, enjoying yourself. You just ask him and he will tell you where is the matter, where is the problem, what is happening, finished! Any questions? Can I take some water, little bit? Any questions. Today it’s a small group in a way it’s good. Why don’t you sit down? Give him a chance to sit down. Come along here! Seeker: Inaudible. Shri Mataji: Yes. I agree with you, you cannot go up, very true. You cannot go up. But there is something. I would say, that there is an unconscious within us which works. And if you say come to the medium path then it won’t be a problem. Just you have to keep yourself as you are. Say for example, now this candle is here. It is to be enlightened, alright? It cannot enlighten by itself. That’s the point. And we cannot know how to go about it. Alright? But some light which is enlightened can enlighten it. But if this channel is broken, it has finished itself off, it is an extremist, it has gone this way, that way, then it is difficult, isn’t it? Still we can put it right, it is not difficult. Not difficult to do that. I agree with you. [And that] you don’t know how to go about it is the absolute truth. And that’s the greatest thing to say is that you do not know how to go about it. So let it be. Doesn’t matter, it will work out. But with wisdom, with understanding, you will know that somebody has to do it. Somebody has to do it who is real. Who is unreal cannot do it. Now how do you make out a real and an unreal person? Because we are so insensitive that we are more attracted by unreal than by the real, really. If we had not done that we would not have crucified Christ. You would not have given poison to Mohammed Sahib. How to make out a real and unreal is the problem: is that we have to consider the scriptures. Now the scriptures have said it, they have prophesied; all the scriptures have prophesied that you will be entering into the Kingdom of God. Every scripture has said and that prophesy has to come true, alright? Then what is the way to make out a real person? First and foremost thing - for a gross personality [to understand] - such a person is not interested in your purse, neither in your position, neither in your race, in your creed, neither as to how you are dressed or how you approach. Maybe some people I have seen they do not know how to come to a holy person. They sit with their feet like this towards me. Sometimes they sit like this, they sit like this. They sit any way they like. They are not going to harm you. But they do not look like children. Makes no difference. That is one thing that one should know such a person does not bother about these things. He’s only interested in your well-being. Like the other day one lady said that, “I would not take that horrible fellow’s name, but that yogi is a very charming man.” “Really? What charms does he do for you? Your health is down absolutely, you have got a bad liver, you are looking so very pale you are so horrid, and he’s not bothered about your health, nothing of the kind. And how do you say that he’s charming? And by his charms what do you gain?” So that is first: that outer appearance, his outer behaviour is not the point, but the inner concern of a person you should see: what he is concerned about? What is he talking about? Second. Is he talking [about] what the scriptures have told you. First thing the holiness, the righteousness of a person, generosity. All the Ten Commandments that are written in the scriptures. Does he himself follow or not? Because Some of them have five, six keeps there, very nicely! They have also got airstrips with your money, they have got all kinds of things. Such people if they call themselves gurus, you will know that they are not. This is the minimum. But the real test of a real guru is, I wish I had brought Saundarya Lahiri, a book written by Adi Shankaracharya, that if he is a real guru, he awakens the power in you. He must give you your own power. What is it if I have thousands of powers? What is it to you? Say supposing this light is burning very nicely, alright, what is it to this light which is not burning? If it can burn this a little bit also then we can say it has some light in it. So if he doesn’t give you your powers he cannot be a guru. He’d be interested that you should get your powers. And if you get your power, which is also described in all the books, is the power of chaitanya, of the Divine vibrations. Christ also has said, “Something passed from my body when somebody touched me.” It should be like that. And if you get that power of understanding of the Kundalini and understanding of others, then you should say that that is a guru. This is the minimum: that he should awaken your Kundalini. Now we have one guru Gagangan Maharaj (Gagangiri Maharaj): he’s a very nice person and he knows about me. He’s knows ?? so he’s just like what I am. And he never saw me, but he talked about me. And he is the man who has given Realisation to only one person. And now he’s gone to the hills, he’s sitting down there! He doesn’t want to come back. He has told me he’s had all kinds of abuses, so he says, “Now I’m done. I don’t want them. Let them go there. I will hit them!” I said, “Why are you so angry with them?” Because they take time to give Realisation. They are not Mataji. So they take time. Poor thing, you know: he looked after one single soul for twenty-five years. One single soul, and now after that! He gave him Realisation, no doubt, and he put him on better position. He thought he had cleansed him and all that, then he said now you go in the world and preach. So the preacher came in him. But still he was not yet to be done - in twenty five years time. He started smoking, then he took to women then he took to money. In Sanskrit it is saying: “Kanchan and kanta”.(काञ्चन कान्ता) ‘Kanchan’ means gold and ‘kanta’ means ‘a woman’. So When I talked to him, “What has happened about Anna Maharaj” He told me abuses he said, “Let him go to hell! Useless fellow! Don’t take his name before me Mataji. It doesn’t behove your tongue to take such a silly name!” I said, “What happened?” He said, “He’s gone with kanchan and kanta! He’s a useless fellow!” He denounced him and he said you had better not see him at all, his black face: “You don’t see his black face!” Like that. He was very angry. But one day you see this Anna Maharaj, in Bombay, came to a disciple of mine. And she wrote me: “Mother he is coming to see me. Would you like to come and see him?” I said, “I must see him now because he was so angry!” So I went to see this one single soul who’s this twenty-five years, poor this guru has given a Realisation to, and now who’s sitting down here. I went and saw this Anna Maharaj: very nicely smoking like this, you see, going on. I was sitting knowing that he knows me who I am. So he touched my feet, alright and he sat down. He said, “Ahh, you went to meet my guru. I am very angry with my guru.” I said, “What’s wrong with your guru?” This is never said! For the guru you would never say like that it’s too arrogant to say. He said, “Why is he coming now to Bombay? He told me I have to come to Bombay to meet Mataji. Why should he come? Why should she come from there?” I said, “Why? Do you feel threatened? You are threatened about it?” You see when he came to Bombay he found out about this fellow what he was doing there so he was very angry with his guru, that his guru was finding out everything! He said, “No, I think he’d better stay there!” And then I saw his Agnya chakra completely caught up, absolutely. Now his Realisation also going down. Then what happened I told him, “I am going just now but I will give you a tika. Still it’s up to you, I will put my finger on your this thing (Agyna), and I will go away.” So I put some kumkum and I put it on his forehead. And then I said, “Now you put some onto mine.” As soon as he put onto my Agnya I sucked it in, his finger, you see. And he started, jag, jag, jag, jag, jag, shaking like that. You see, he started shaking. He said, “What are you doing? Are you going to break my finger or what? What are you doing?” And I must say! And you will be surprised, then I told him that, “This is what has happened to your Agnya. I won’t leave until you promise that you are not going to say a word against your guru, and you give up all this nonsense!” So this is what is the thing. But there is something about Sahaj Yog that it works so spontaneously. So you don’t have to worry. You get your Realisation, then I will tell you all the decoding, everything hundred percent complete knowledge. Alright? And that too, absolutely free, full of love. Shri Mataji: Hmmm. How are you? Young Girl: Fine thank you. Shri Mataji: Good! Woman: Sometimes we give money in exchange for things. Shri Mataji: yes, you see…that’s why Yogi: Yes but what has it got to do with here and now? Why are you bringing the subject up of money? Woman:What? Shri Mataji: Alright, correct. It is a waste of time, I tell you. You see if you think that money giving is a symbolic thing it is not. It is more ego satisfaction. Because you have brought the point up I must tell you. We think we can purchase even God and they are playing on that. You see, you feel satisfied, you have paid for it. It is a kind of an ego satisfaction: we have paid for God also. It is not that simple my child. The symbol of love is much deeper. With money you cannot solve. That is what you are doing with your children also: you give your children very expensive toys to play with, but not your heart. Your heart should be ?? . If you have any symbol that’s your heart, your feelings, not the money. By money you make it very gross. What he’s saying is this: that at this time if you start (asking questions) you see, people’s attention will go away, they are concentrated now. That’s why he doesn’t want you to disturb them. But that’s very perfect, that money-orientation itself is a wrong thing. Money has got all these problems. Women here think of money, men think of money, that’s why the problem is there. If you could forget about money for a short time, at least with me, would be a good idea. If you bring that money over here then you are going to spoil the whole stuff, because it is very insulting, very insulting. And you cannot purchase the love of your Mother with money. You know Christ was sold for thirty rupees. Do you know that? Are you going to purchase me also and then sell me on? It can be very subtle. People do such crimes for money. That is one of the very subtle possessions of human beings, believe me. Once I say that, “Alright, if you give me money I will take the money.” Immediately your ego will be satisfied. I cannot give you Realisation then. Not by satisfying your ego, but your wisdom only I can give you Realisation. By satisfying your heart only, I can give you Realisation. You people have so much money here, much more than Indians have. But there’s no satisfaction in that. That’s why money is not a good thing. Anybody who takes somebody’s money: I’ll tell you one thing you take just a juxtaposition say to understand. If I give you some money, say I tell you I will give you £5. Will you take it? Will you take it any one of you? Will you? Free, will you take it? Anyone of you who is agreeable to take £5 free from me, free, with the knowledge of everybody else, raise your hands. Then why should I take money? Why would you not take? Because it is your self-respect that you shoul not take it. Only the parasites will accept it. Only the beggars will accept it. You make a person a beggar by giving money to that person and your ego is satisfied. I am not a beggar, I am a Queen. Will you go and give some money to your Queen? Let me see who is going to do that. Do you give any money to your Queen? To her also if you have to give, you will have to give big diamonds. You have to give your heart to me, heart to me. This is a very wrong idea. That’s what it is here. You sent somebody to you. It’s very, very, you know, something you do not understand. It’s subtlety working out in this money-oriented society. For example, Father and Mother once you are eighteen years you are on the dole, finished! Accepted parasite. This is a parasitic habit itself, that young people should take a dole. Why should you take a dole? Alright, then you leave your parents and you just send them “Happy Christmas”. An expensive card if you send, it is greater. Finished! When the father dies there is nobody next to the father to look after him. Look at this man who is sitting here, he has an old father who lives with him. His brother is looking after him, his brother is living with him. His grandfather will be living with him, his great grandfather will be living with him. That is his responsibilities in old age. These children will be living with you here. Cheap people, you think they are cheap. They give them toys, very expensive! We don’t give our children. We don’t spoil them. Whatever they want they give them. We do not do that. Of course, we give them sufficient but we do not spoil them. Whatever we can afford we give them. But what we give them is complete love and complete dedication and complete service and complete oneness. They have every right on you. For example my keys can be handled by my grandchildren or by my children, no problem. They can take away whatever they like, they can do. Whatever sari they want they can wear. I said, “Whatever they want they can take.” They have a right and they do it, and very happy to do it. But this society is so money-oriented just like ego, that you cannot see something beyond money that’s the point. Like you see when my grandchildren are coming so my husband said, when he tells me, “I’m too upset.” I said, “Why? I am so overjoyed.” He said, “Because their house will be spoiled. It is very beautifully done.” Just look at that! For us our grandchildren are coming, so we are dreaming, morning, evening, “They are going to come, oh God what we are going to have our food?” And they are also thinking that, “We are going to meet our grandparents what they are going to do!” Nothing, just meeting each other! Here nobody meets you know. When they meet they do not talk! I have seen even children: they will buy those comics and all will be reading together, and they are spending the day together or they’ll go and see a picture. When we want to meet someone we must have 2 or 3 hours free let us talk, nicely now let us talk and we have rapport, sharing. We think by giving money we reciprocate, you cannot. Even a small thing which you think is something special is so joy giving and so loving. We have a story about Rama: once when he went into exile he was passing through a forest and there was an old lady and she was belonging to the aboriginal class; absolutely old and she heard that Rama was coming. That time the people were much more sensitive, much, much more sensitive than they are today, because they were not that materialistic, you see. And she was so happy. She went round telling all over. And she told to all the trees, to all the creepers, and all of them, all the flowers that, “Oh Rama is coming, be happy! Rama is coming.” And she started thinking, “What should I give to my Ram?” So she decided on giving something to eat, to solve where to get that beautiful thing which I can give to Rama. So in those days there was this berry, we call them ber in India. But that’s a different type, you don’t get them here. They were the fruits that were available at that time. So she went and plucked all these. And then she sat down and tasted them, by putting her teeth very slowly into them... (end of recording)

“Ego, the West, Love, Money” Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 17 July 1978. Shri Mataji: How are you? Better? Seeker: Not too bad Shri Mataji: Not too bad! Everybody improving gradually, isn’t it! How are you Dominic? Dominic: Fine! Shri Mataji: You are always fine! Look at that answer! “Fine” He’s fine since he is born, but the whole world is horrid, isn’t it? (Laughing) For a realised-soul it is so. He feels very surprised the way things are in this world, very much shocked also. How many have come for the first time? Please raise your hands. Yes. Who else? You? Three, four of you? I think if they come in. You too have come for the first time? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: No? You have got it, you have got it. What about you you have come for the first time? Woman: I came last time. Shri Mataji: Last time? What happened? Did you feel alright? Good! How did you feel? Good, and you were there too? Woman: No. Shri Mataji: No? First time alright. What we can do, those who have come for the first time, should either sit on that side, and it should be quite obvious to see you. And I would like to see their Kundalinis. If you sit that side that should work out. Or in the front would be better. In the front row would be better, should we? I think yes, that would be better so that you give them a support from the back, those who are already realised. Gavin you sit here next to me. This is your position, alright? Good! Please come forward, please all of you. You came here last time? Did you get the vibrations? Did you feel the cool breeze? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Alright then what do you do? Every saint, everything is not truth. There are fake also. But there must be some reality. You see every copy comes out of some absolute. There has to be somebody absolute otherwise how do you get the copy? There has to be something, truth, otherwise you cannot get the falsehood. So I said this is a bit too much. That means when you go on denying things then you even deny the truth? Then why seek? And this is what happened with him. But still you know you cannot convince these things because the brain starts working too fast with that, Krishnamurti style. You know, I have seen Krishnamurti’s disciples (laughing) coming out with all kinds of brainy waves they have, really brainy people, poor things. You know what happened, one of them was the grandson, grandson of this Lahiri Baba (Shyama Lahiri, founder of Kriya Yoga cult). Have you heard of him Lahiri Baba? Who was the guru of this Yoganand. Now this Yoganand was never realised, neither his guru Lahiri Baba. Now if I tell that people will say, “Mother what are you saying?” But that’s a fact, I have to tell you the truth, isn’t it. How can I tell you a lie? They never had their Realisation. Now, this one comes to me, his grandson: he told me Mother I don’t think you can really give me Realisation and can I ever achieve it. I said what has happened with you? But a great analyzer and witnessing himself, you see. He said first, “I was the grandson of Lahiri Baba. Naturally I have to do Kriya Yoga because that is what I inherited with everything else. Whatever money they earned I inherited it.” So he said that, “Because I was the grandson of Lahiri Baba I had to take to Kriya Yoga. In Kriya Yoga you cut your tongue. Hello Ronnie, how are you? Ronnie: Well. Shri Mataji: Good, Good! I am happy that you say that. Sit down! Sit down! Come along! Take out your shoes. Be comfortable! And this gentleman who came to me he said, “First I did Kriya Yog.” Now in Kriya Yoga imagine, what goes on! You have to cut your tongue from down here. Imagine! Push it back to touch it here see and sit in that condition for at least one hour, practicing that. So these people always have their tongue coming out. Then you have to do another thing is a pratak, is to fix your attention here, and go on looking at something and all sorts of things, so that always their eyes are like this. Suddenly talking you find that they have gone squinty. Every method of destroying yourself, every method that Kriya Yoga. We had one doctor in India, he died now. I mean we tried and tried but he couldn’t talk because they had cut his tongue, he couldn’t hear because they had done something to his ears. He couldn’t see me square because his eyes were always going in this way, that way. I said, “Now this kind of a great personality what am I to do with you?” You cannot fix his eyes, you cannot fix his nose, you cannot fix his tongue. And everything he’s done, absolute, complete destruction of himself. Now what am I to do? So who has done this?” He said, “I went to Los Angeles I spent so much rupees, went there and stayed there, got this thing done.” I said, “But why? Why did you do it? After all you should have thought of it, anybody in our country, we have had so many.” He was an Indian. I can understand you people doing that because you don’t know, but he knows. “Which saint in this country had a tongue cut and put it back? Any saint you tell me.” He said, “But they must have done it.” I said, “If they would have done it they would have written it somewhere. How do you know?” “But it is a very difficult thing Mother.” I said, “Whatever difficult it may be it is never tongue cutting.” This was Mr Kriya Yoga. All right? So the Kriya Yogis come to me first and they argue with me, “How can it be that simple?” “But I said, “If it is simple, it is simple. Now see my house and Caxton Hall is hardly five minutes walk. Now somebody goes on arguing with me, “How can it be five minutes?” But it is five minutes, what am I to do if it is so? (laughter) Can you help it? It is spontaneous. It is the easiest thing, simplest thing. But people go on arguing, “How can that be that simple? Has to be difficult!” I mean, in this Kundalini awakening also, the second part, where still Mr. Krishnamurti doesn’t come in - this is the second part this Krishnamurti’s style. But, we say the first part is Kundalini awakening. I told you about the man who came to me in Kolhapur, and he was sitting just in front, and he put his feet [to me] like this. So Indians know that you can’t put your feet towards a holy person. So they said, “What are you doing? You are not supposed to do like that.” He said, “Please allow me to do that.” He said, “Why?” He said, “You know if I sit like this I start jumping like a frog.” He said, “Why?” “Because my Kundalini is awakened!” People said, “Your Kundalini has awakened and that’s why you have to jump like a frog?” “Yes my guru has told me.” So they sent him to me and I said, “How can you become a frog in your evolution? You have to be something higher you have to behave in a much higher way than to jump like a frog.” He said, “No, no, it is written, my guru has written the book and I will show you!” So he brings the book of his guru’s guru. Just imagine! Very big name that fellow had you know! I never knew he was such a horrid thing. And in the book it was written that some people with the awakening of the Kundalini, they start jumping like a frog. Now, I said, “Now what am I to do? If you do not jump what can I do about it?” You do not jump like a frog or anything. That’s all nonsense! Some sort of a stimulus has set in I think, something like that and it’s a reflex action goes on like that; or some sort of a spirit or something, because this is all absurd I think. It never happens like that. But a book has been written and they have thousands of disciples! I said, “Now what to do?” And in that great country, India, where you gather people know what is religion, what is God. I was amazed at these people. So things like this, one after another. Then the second part poor our, you see he is a great, Bala is a great seeker you see, he’s really a great seeker. So he went to the second part of seeking, then he got fed up of all the gurus and nonsense and the amount they took out from him, the money that he had to give them and all that. So he said: “This is not, this is not, this is not.” So he went to another fellow, was Mr Krishnamurti, who has a voice and talks like. (Mother demonstrates the deep, hoarse, dry, voice of this false guru.). I went to his programme also, I wanted to see. I went to all of them, actually. Very serious people would come, [as if] something oracle of Delphi was about to speak. And I said, “This fellow is not even realised, what is he going to tell you?” But still I was just wondering [if] he might say something sensible. So, all that he said was, “You are your guru. There is nobody else. You are your own guru, be yourself. That is what you have to seek.” Now how do you do it? So all these people are like that. When you talk to them you find that Mr Krishnamurti has come into you. So this fellow he told me, he told me that, “Mother you cannot cure me.” That, “Then I went to Mr Krishnamurti and he has taught me this. He told me that don’t believe in any guru. So I don’t believe in any guru. But then I later on discovered that on one side I am Lahiri Baba and on the other side I am Krishnamurti. I can give lectures like Lahiri Baba And also like Krishnamurti whichever one you want you can put my tape and I can start and I can even speak better than Krishnamurti, you want to hear me?” Then he sat down he took my saris, he said, “Let me cover myself.” And he really copied him very well. He said, “Now do I look like Krishnamurti?” I said, “Really you speak like him!” And he said, “Mother I have not achieved it. Now can you help me?” I must tell you, I am sorry, so far I have not been able to do anything for him. Every time I go to India he comes to me. But now he feels very shy so he comes to me privately. But his Kundalini comes up and falls down, rather difficult, rather difficult. Because it’s too much seeking so he’s fallen into so many ditches. But one day it will come up I am sure it will work out, because he is a good man and he’s suffered for nothing at all because of his seeking. And all such people will be blessed no doubt because they didn’t do anything wrong. They just went because they were seeking. And in seeking if you go to someone and if there is any harm to you, then rest assured that you will be looked after, you will be absolutely looked after. And it’s the responsibility of Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoga and myself, to see that all the seekers who are genuine must get their Realisation which is their birthright. They all must get it. It is their own, it is their very own and they must get it. And it works out. But as I told you there are many hurdles and we have hurdles pertaining to every style of our living, it’s surprising! We accumulate the way we live, in what conditions we live, under what atmosphere we live. And as we are here, mostly western people, hardly any Indians, we have to face our problems as westerners. And the problems of westerners are a little complicated, the same way as I would say that, in the beginning they had to go to their ego-orientation because they had to develop their country. For example Caxton Hall was not there say for a few years back. Nothing was here, this was a place called as Londes, London was Londes and Londes means the place, which is, Lon means mud, and this was nothing but just mud here. And it’s such a cluster of mud was there that people had to dig in to make houses deep down, that’s why we have so many basements here. Perhaps you may not be knowing this but that is how London was built. All these bridges and all these undergrounds were built because of that. So it’s a blessing in disguise that we could have the best tubes and things because we had lots of mud here. And out of that out of that mud, you know we created a city. And not only a city but a nation. And naturally people had to work very hard for that and life was very hard, and that they had to build up. Then gradually when the science exposed itself to the power of giving a special facility to human beings the whole attention, the whole attention of all of the western countries, went to science and they started exploring how they can master the matter, how can they can get come up, how they can do something better. Then when they mastered also matter and all that, with that they started seeking again: “Are we going to make life easier, happier, and joyful?” Of course, the life became easier in a way, but in a way difficult. The way it was easier was this that definitely you have cooking ranges and you have got what you call these vacuum cleaners and everything much simpler than the people who have to do everything with their hands, and they don’t do that good sometimes maybe as you can do with machines, some of the cleaning processes, maybe. But maybe the art part they do better. But the difficulty came in when we did too much of ego-orientation, we worked on the right hand side of our sympathetic nervous system, which we call as the manifestation of the Pingala Nadi, ego-orientation. Now this is the right side is completely managed by the power of Mahasaraswati: is the power. It’s a Sanskrit word because I can’t help it. But we can say is the power of doing something, kriyashakti, is to do something . So naturally when somebody has to do you think of the future all the time: “This I am going to do. This I must organise. This I must put this right. This I must do it!” Despite all this organisation what we find [is that] we are very much disorganised within ourselves. So what has happened with this: even we have organised our religion which was the greatest hit I think that happened to you. Because religion is something that has to be left to yourself. It is your own thing, which you have to seek for yourself. You cannot organise religion because it is God’s own giving. You have to leave space for its working. On the contrary if you make it into a machine like thing, or if you can ask some priest who passed through some theological college and graduates in charge of that, you can never go near it, because they are the people [who are] just like us! And we cannot have faith in them. There’s nothing special about them. That’s why the religion became absolutely rigid! Actually you lost all your freedom that was spiritual. You will be amazed: you have political freedom, you have economic freedom, but you have lost your spiritual freedom because of this. I do not say that there is anything wrong with having churches, or having temples, but it is definitely wrong to have them the way we have. It is such a compact stuff: you go there, you put down your name, they put the water on your head, you become a Christian. You cannot. To become a Christian is the most difficult thing. You can [easily] be Hindu but you cannot be a Christian. Christian means a person who is baptised, means who is realised, whose Brahmarandra is broken, whose top of the fontanelle bone is cleared out, who is absolutely baptised is the Christian: not the one who goes and takes communion with beer and Scotch whisky. That cannot be a realised-soul. A realised-soul means a person whose Sahasrara is cool, who has become one with the Divine, who has become one with the collective consciousness. It is something that’s a happening within, who is a reborn person, who is a twice born, as Christ has said. It is not the way people say, that, come along, now christening, at the age of say ten months or so, when you don’t understand anything, you go to them and they put their hands on your head. Actually it’s very dangerous, take it from me. Why? Because the children’s Brahmarandra, or fontanelle bone, is very soft; and that time these unauthorised people who are anti-Christ - they are all anti-Christ because they have no authority to preach about God - they put their hands there to spoil the Kundalini. First thing [happens is] Kundalini is spoilt. No priest in India would touch here, he would not. No priest would touch here. If you ask him to touch here, he would say, “No, no. I cannot .” You try doing it, anybody. Even a Muslim priest will not touch here. Only a Christian has that much confidence, because it is sinful to touch anybody’s Kundalini, so no Hindu will touch here. At the most they will touch here, but they will not touch this part. You can go and find out from them. Even from the greatest rakshasas I call them, these devils who have come as fake gurus: they will not touch here either because that means you are just putting hands onto the point where he’ll be really burnt. So you can imagine by this kind of graduates who do not know anything about inside, suddenly becoming your priests! How can you have respect for anyone who is nowhere near spirituality, he’s just a priest? So such a great religion which requires people only who are baptised, just imagine, has been thrown to dogs, to People who do not know what baptism is, who do not know what Kundalini is, who do not know how to achieve Self-realisation, those who do not know what is the Self. They do not know the manifestation of anything. Only there they take money from you, make some diamonds, wear on your body and walk seriously to say he’s the pope! How does he become a pope I do not know. It is understanding that will lead you there, not any kind of a reactionary methods, but understanding of the reality. And the understanding of the reality is that if you have to be Christian. You have to be a realised-soul, otherwise you are not Christian. So all Sahaja yogis are really Christians in the Indian style of religions it is called as dweejaha, dweejaha - twice born. The one who is born again, the second time he’s born. Like that, we can say the birds are also born dweejaha. They are first born as eggs. We are born as eggs: our ego and superego makes us an egg. We are like a shell. It has to be there, to have our I-ness to have our freedom to choose between right and wrong. And then when we mature the Mother can break the shell and you become a second person, the person who is twice born. This is what is really baptism. It is a happening. You cannot give somebody a brainwash about it. You cannot say you are a Christian, you cannot brand someone. It has to happen within you and that is what it is. And if you are really seeking the truth as a reality then you must ask for that. Now the problem is, when I talk about these things, there have been some rude letters to me, there have been. Of course you have every right to be rude to me. I mean, it doesn’t matter, because it is a question of rights. People here have rights for everything. Even if they don’t pay for it they can be. It’s not difficult for people to be rude in this country or any other country of this kind. Because we think that we can be rude to people despite the fact that they do not know a word about what I am talking, and they do not know what I am doing, they have not seen my work and the work of the Kundalini. Without going into it, they are rude. Alright, they can be rude. But the question they ask, one of them asked me a question that, “We have heard it is very difficult to get Kundalini awakening. How can it be so spontaneous? How can it be so quick?” It is! You can see with your own eyes. All of them have it. I can show you the rising of the Kundalini. You all can see yourself. I challenge you that much. If you do not believe me, you can give up. Now this is an escape, this is a typical escape of an ego-oriented society. It’s an escape, “How can it be possible? It is not possible.” But supposing it is there. Very primitive though. It is a very primitive style. It would be like saying, “How can you go on the moon?” “But you have been there!” “No it might be a photograph you have taken!” All the time doubting. But supposing it is. Then the next question is, “Why? How?” Maybe I am something. Maybe there is a definitely something about me, something special, that’s why it’s happening. You better find out. Or are you going to deny me only because you think it is not possible. This is your own idea. You haven’t yet come inside. You have not seen it. You have not felt it. You are denying it, “How can it be possible?” Isn’t it true? (laughter) It happens that way. That is a typical ego-oriented mind. When I came to London I had some disciples here, who are still living here, in India, who told me, “Mother you must work for the western people.” I said. “Go ahead, I’ll be very happy.” Because I know you are all saints, you are seekers no doubt. But this ego-orientation has given you another type of an angularity which is a very difficult thing to explain. So I said, “Go ahead! Definitely go ahead with it. I don’t mind.” So, first time when I had a programme here, we had about three hundred people, second time we had a programme we had two hundred and fifty, then we had two hundred, then we had one hundred, then we are having fifty. So you see we are getting smaller and smaller. On the other score, which I never went into, is an Indian community say or Asians or anything. I said, “I will have nothing to do. I’ll work only on foreigners to begin with.” Very few Indians here. I mean I call them foreigners because compared to India I am saying. So you will be amazed that in one shot I get three hundred people here, Indians. They called me. Yesterday I went to Crawley there must have been three hundred and fifty. Out of them eighty percent got Realisation, eighty percent got Realisation. Now my disciples have stopped saying that you must look after only the westerners here because you can always work on Indians in India. They have stopped saying that. I would love to do anything whatsoever, work out for you, but what can you do about the Mr E.G.O.? This Patricia [Proenza] will tell you about it, she knows. You see it’s such a tremendous colossal stuff, which all the time is giving you ideas which doesn’t allow you to open yourselves to reality. After all, what I am asking [of] you? What are you giving me? What am I asking you to surrender? Somebody asked me, “Mother after all, we have to surrender our ego.” I said, “No, no. I am not saying that. Don’t surrender anything. But awaken your wisdom. Can you do that? That’s better.” If I say you have to surrender your ego then I have had it! First of all even to say that you are egotistical itself is a terrible stuff, and then to say that surrender your ego is even a worse thing. But after Realisation you start seeing the colossalness of it and you start, “Oh God! This was on my head? Now come along Mr Ego go down!” And you work it out that way. But take it, because this is what you have to have. You are not to miss it. This is for you. Thank God I do not take any money, anything, it’s all free for you. That’s why. Because you cannot buy it. It is invaluable. It is the love of your Mother. Try to understand. Try to understand. It is love, the love of God which cannot be sold. You have to think with your heart, can you? Can you think with your heart? You have to feel with your heart, to get to Sahaj Yoga. This is a very big problem but once you get your Realisation it starts growing. Gradually it starts coming up. Even those who are quite rude to me come back saying, “Mother it has started working in me. It has come up. I have felt the cool now I know what it is.” The another method which can be employed is this, the simple method is, that you say that, “I can cure people.” This I do, I can do. And you can cure people you can cure people. Now see Bala has given Realisation to him. I was wondering, he said he’s come for the first time: you can see he is a realised-soul. Everybody can see he is a realised-soul. [That] Bala should give him Realisation, just imagine! What is there? This fellow who was standing here, in Algeria he has given Realisation to three hundred young people, in Algeria. And most surprising the way we are ego-oriented the same way we are very afraid of each other, very afraid of every person, very afraid of doing anything. Look at him he just went out and said, “Yes I have found the truth come along. Now you come along.” Five hundred people: engineers, doctors, all educated young people. He talked to them he told them, “This is what I have found out, now see for yourself take it.” But [here] it is very difficult for people to speak. Of course for politics they may stand on the box there on what do you call it Hyde Park and say something there, but for the truth, they are very slowed down, afraid of others. This is another sign: we are very afraid of each other while we are all tied by one thread of love. All of you are! You are all like little beads in the necklace of God. You are all such beautiful things. You have no idea. Only thing is you have not yet found the thread with which you are tied. You are really very beautiful but this ego business is terrible that has made everyone so ugly. They just start shouting at you for nothing at all. What is there to shout? I went to Crawley yesterday, now for example: I didn’t have any disciples there, but they have heard about me. I cured only one man of his diabetes, just one man. But he was cured, just like a shot. So he went and told that, “The Shakti has come, She’s Shakti.” Like that and everyone believed him. When I went there you will be surprised even the Stationmaster who was an Indian, touched my feet. He couldn’t take my ticket, he touched my feet, that’s finished! I went there, they had aarti and everything they did that. They all got into Realisation and everything there. When we were coming back we sat in a non-smoking compartment. There was a tall, hefty, handsome looking fellow sitting in a very good suit and everything and he started smoking. So one of them said this is non-smoking. So he gave one abuse, a very nice one, special one he must have learnt from somewhere I don’t know from where he picked it up. And he said, “This door doesn’t say that, so I can smoke and do what you like,” because he’s paid for it, you see. But he never thought that, maybe, even if it was non-smoking or smoking, he never thought that, “I am disturbing somebody. I myself am am going to get the cancer and I am giving it to others.” I mean it’s a question of just understanding through your heart. But I would say, any other person from a developing country if he is there, if you say, “Please don’t smoke.” “Oh I am sorry did I hurt you? I never knew you don’t smoke.” And he’ll get down at the other station and go to the other compartment. He would not. It is regarded as shameless, it is regarded as vulgar, not only that but is regarded... (break in recording from first side of 60 minute cassette) …can’t imagine somebody can kill their children. I mean they just cannot think, they cannot imagine. They love their children. They can do anything for their children, and they go to any extent, to such an extent that they can even now supposing the Queen has a son and he wants to have money, then she can even steal things from the treasury and give it to him for sale. That’s possible for an Indian woman, she can do it. For them children, and family are most important. They can go to any extent! This is left side movement. Too much involvement in the family, too much involvement: “This is my child. This is somebody else’s child.” All these things are there. With that, also, you can get very much possessed, as you are getting possessed by ego. And when you get possessed by that kind of idea, there are some sort of spirits also can come into you and you can suffer from very bad possessions of the spirits. But the only advantage in such conditions is that we think speech can trouble you. Supposing a person does that, the police will catch hold of such a man and put him in the jail. He may be a king, but he’ll do that. But for ego there is no treatment. Unless and until you become violent, nobody is going to catch hold of your ego. You can say whatever you like with your tongue, nobody says anything. You be very rude to anyone, you have a right. This is what is ego. And I think ego is such a horrible thing that it gives you sin and you do not even feel this much. It makes you live in sin and you will say, “What’s wrong in it?” Sharing sex partners: “What’s wrong in it?” Running away with another man and giving up your responsibilities, your children left behind: “What’s wrong? Because I am enjoying!” It’s very arbitrary. It is malignant. Like one cell in the body says now my this thumb says, “What’s wrong? I am going to grow.” So it grows like that and the rest of the hand goes like this. “What’s wrong?” Because there is no co-operation for creation in the palm at least, then what about the body? It is very arbitrary. Do you understand that? It’s a very serious thing that a person can decide, “What’s wrong? I am doing this. Yes I like it, so I am doing it.” I like it. You may like it, but what about the whole being? You are a part and parcel of a whole and you are just a little cell. The only way you can become the whole is by understanding the will of the whole. By becoming the will of the whole you become the whole ocean. The drop becomes the ocean. But we become small when we start thinking, “Oh I can do whatever I feel like!” And then when do we land in our own egos? In the orphanages. Ten old men in one orphanage, ten old women in another orphanage, and ten young children in another orphanage. Imagine! Under the roof of God these people become all alone. There’s no heart of a Father who loves you and the Holy Ghost who is your Mother. This is absolutely self-destroying this ego, and non loving. I mean it is hatred to others. I mean I don’t know why should we hate others? We are so beautiful. God has created us with such care, you have no idea. When you will see your chakras opening, [you will understand] how he has made you so beautiful, with different colours, with different deities He has put. How He has made you a beautiful temple, if you can see this here all of you. Just see this is the temple that you are made out of. See the chakras that he has made you. How beautifully He has placed you. Through your evolution you have come up one by one. You are so beautiful. Now why should we hate others? And by that you hate others. Why you should be angry with yourself? Why should you pity yourself? You do not know how beautiful you are. And it is you only, in the whole universe, in the whole creation, in the whole play of God, it’s only you the human beings who are going to be there, not frogs and animals and chickens. You are going to be the chief guests in the palace of beauty and dignity. You have to enter the Kingdom of God. So why hate yourself? I can’t bear it. I can’t bear my children hating themselves like this. Why? Because you are limited, because this nonsensical ego is overdeveloped. Push it up. You are not your ego. You are the Spirit. You are your love. Open out! Completely open out. There is no need to protect yourself, there is no need to have fears about it. Are you getting the cool in your hands? A little bit? Yes I can see that. Put your hands please. And feel very fine, you see! It’s relaxing all the Sahaja Yogis! It’s here. It happens. Automatically it will happen. Now the third thing is one has to understand that after coming to Sahaj Yoga it happens to you no doubt, but we have problems. And we have created problems ourselves. At every stage of our lives, we have wounded ourselves, every stage. As a child we have wounded ourselves. I mean you were wounded already. I wouldn’t say you have done it. You might not have done it yourself. Maybe your parents, maybe your society. There have been lots of wounds, there have been lots of unhappiness in your lives. Then as you grew up, in adolescent age also, you have been wounded. And you had to be changed, you had to be destructive, that had to be done. Then maybe in your seeking you have been much more wounded than anywhere else, possibly. Maybe because of the society you have lost the purpose of your life? It’s very very possible. It might have happened, anything to you, makes no difference to me. You have come to me and that is my duty is to see that everything is changed. Same with your Kundalini: when she is awakened, at the first shot, most of the people will just get it at the first shot, and they say, “Mother we felt very hyper, absolutely gone, we were lost,” they said. But then gradually it settled down and you started doing it for yourself. But you are to be different, you are to be cured. And some of them write to me that, “Mother we don’t think we are ???” How do you know that? This is another escape. Who is going to spare you? Who is going to love you? Who is going to look after you? Who is going to do all that is necessary to put the Kundalini up there? So why do you want to escape it? Again you will go back to the same and as you have heard me talking, some people have again redeveloped cancer especially. So this is a very subtle thing in which you have to settle down. You have to settle down in such a manner that you are never removed from your seats. For that you have to a little bit be careful, and patient. Patience is the key word of Sahaja Yoga with you people especially. You must know, because you have mixed patience. You haven’t got patience with yourself, and you have got so annoyed. And most of them are like that I’m so surprised. They write, “Mother we feel so ashamed of ourselves, how can we be?” Now what is this? Whom are you going to face when you cannot face your own Mother? Whom are you going to save? Just think of that. Why should you feel that way ? It’s so very wrong. Are you afraid of me? Am I going to do you any harm to you in any way? Never. I know your problems. I know mistakes have been done: what you call as ‘sin’. But as I have told you a hundred times, no sin is greater than my love. Alright? Give me a chance. Give me a chance to work out. Now don’t reject yourself. Because you are the people, you are the lights that are finished. And you are to be enlightened and you have to enlighten the whole world. We are standing at a precipice now from where it is possible that we will be destroyed. Look at the joy here! He cannot contain within himself! That’s what happens. It happens. When it happens it works everywhere. It’s really remarkable. You are getting the cool breeze in the hand? Believe me it is. You see we start wondering, “How it is possible? How can it happen? It is not possible. It cannot happen to me.” Yes it can happen. Why not? What’s wrong with you? You cannot believe because it is too great, fantastic. But when we ask for it: supposing you ask for the moon and the moon comes, then what do you say? You have been seeking the hills and dales finding it. You don’t know yourself. You don’t your past. You know why you were born today. Yesterday an Indian came and asked me in my ear, he said, “Mother, do you mean to say that it is our past lives that is bringing us here? Otherwise we can’t et Realisation.” I said, “Why do you want to weigh everything? Why you must know why?” It is so because I feel like it. Finished now. Let it out. You must enjoy yourself. After all, every Mother wants that her child must enjoy. She doesn’t find out how much pain he’s getting in the shop. She doesn’t find out everything. She just says, “Alright I have cooked for them let them come and enjoy themselves!” That’s all. You will enjoy everything in my enjoyment. And you must know that your enjoyment is the enjoyment of God. God wants you to enjoy yourself. He doesn’t want you to kill yourself morning till evening. Tapping yourself morning till evening, hitting yourself how can you? You have parents, you have a father and mother. Do you think as parents would you like your child to be hitting himself morning to evening? Here He made all this beautiful world, and he wants you to enjoy it. He wants you to see how beautiful he has made for you: how comfortable, how blissful is the reality that God has spread for you. And he wants to see his children prospering and enjoying and witnessing the great play of his joy. That’s what it is. He really has worked very hard and now this is at the culmination point you should not disappoint Him because of certain foolish ideas you have from somewhere. It’s very childish. I think it is very childish. You should be childlike, but not childish. That’s alright. I never get angry with anyone, those who even shout at me. I know, they are children. It makes no difference to me. But don’t waste your time. You have to grow. You have to mature. You have to enjoy the fruit of your seeking. Look at our (??) he’s just a little boy. He’s very natural. He could be your great grandfather the way he’s knowledge, absolutely complete. So that’s what it is, a little child could be absolute. You all could be like that boy, absolutely like that one: No questions, no doubts, nothing! Just there, enjoying yourself. You just ask him and he will tell you where is the matter, where is the problem, what is happening, finished! Any questions? Can I take some water, little bit? Any questions. Today it’s a small group in a way it’s good. Why don’t you sit down? Give him a chance to sit down. Come along here! Seeker: Inaudible. Shri Mataji: Yes. I agree with you, you cannot go up, very true. You cannot go up. But there is something. I would say, that there is an unconscious within us which works. And if you say come to the medium path then it won’t be a problem. Just you have to keep yourself as you are. Say for example, now this candle is here. It is to be enlightened, alright? It cannot enlighten by itself. That’s the point. And we cannot know how to go about it. Alright? But some light which is enlightened can enlighten it. But if this channel is broken, it has finished itself off, it is an extremist, it has gone this way, that way, then it is difficult, isn’t it? Still we can put it right, it is not difficult. Not difficult to do that. I agree with you. [And that] you don’t know how to go about it is the absolute truth. And that’s the greatest thing to say is that you do not know how to go about it. So let it be. Doesn’t matter, it will work out. But with wisdom, with understanding, you will know that somebody has to do it. Somebody has to do it who is real. Who is unreal cannot do it. Now how do you make out a real and an unreal person? Because we are so insensitive that we are more attracted by unreal than by the real, really. If we had not done that we would not have crucified Christ. You would not have given poison to Mohammed Sahib. How to make out a real and unreal is the problem: is that we have to consider the scriptures. Now the scriptures have said it, they have prophesied; all the scriptures have prophesied that you will be entering into the Kingdom of God. Every scripture has said and that prophesy has to come true, alright? Then what is the way to make out a real person? First and foremost thing - for a gross personality [to understand] - such a person is not interested in your purse, neither in your position, neither in your race, in your creed, neither as to how you are dressed or how you approach. Maybe some people I have seen they do not know how to come to a holy person. They sit with their feet like this towards me. Sometimes they sit like this, they sit like this. They sit any way they like. They are not going to harm you. But they do not look like children. Makes no difference. That is one thing that one should know such a person does not bother about these things. He’s only interested in your well-being. Like the other day one lady said that, “I would not take that horrible fellow’s name, but that yogi is a very charming man.” “Really? What charms does he do for you? Your health is down absolutely, you have got a bad liver, you are looking so very pale you are so horrid, and he’s not bothered about your health, nothing of the kind. And how do you say that he’s charming? And by his charms what do you gain?” So that is first: that outer appearance, his outer behaviour is not the point, but the inner concern of a person you should see: what he is concerned about? What is he talking about? Second. Is he talking [about] what the scriptures have told you. First thing the holiness, the righteousness of a person, generosity. All the Ten Commandments that are written in the scriptures. Does he himself follow or not? Because Some of them have five, six keeps there, very nicely! They have also got airstrips with your money, they have got all kinds of things. Such people if they call themselves gurus, you will know that they are not. This is the minimum. But the real test of a real guru is, I wish I had brought Saundarya Lahiri, a book written by Adi Shankaracharya, that if he is a real guru, he awakens the power in you. He must give you your own power. What is it if I have thousands of powers? What is it to you? Say supposing this light is burning very nicely, alright, what is it to this light which is not burning? If it can burn this a little bit also then we can say it has some light in it. So if he doesn’t give you your powers he cannot be a guru. He’d be interested that you should get your powers. And if you get your power, which is also described in all the books, is the power of chaitanya, of the Divine vibrations. Christ also has said, “Something passed from my body when somebody touched me.” It should be like that. And if you get that power of understanding of the Kundalini and understanding of others, then you should say that that is a guru. This is the minimum: that he should awaken your Kundalini. Now we have one guru Gagangan Maharaj (Gagangiri Maharaj): he’s a very nice person and he knows about me. He’s knows ?? so he’s just like what I am. And he never saw me, but he talked about me. And he is the man who has given Realisation to only one person. And now he’s gone to the hills, he’s sitting down there! He doesn’t want to come back. He has told me he’s had all kinds of abuses, so he says, “Now I’m done. I don’t want them. Let them go there. I will hit them!” I said, “Why are you so angry with them?” Because they take time to give Realisation. They are not Mataji. So they take time. Poor thing, you know: he looked after one single soul for twenty-five years. One single soul, and now after that! He gave him Realisation, no doubt, and he put him on better position. He thought he had cleansed him and all that, then he said now you go in the world and preach. So the preacher came in him. But still he was not yet to be done - in twenty five years time. He started smoking, then he took to women then he took to money. In Sanskrit it is saying: “Kanchan and kanta”.(काञ्चन कान्ता) ‘Kanchan’ means gold and ‘kanta’ means ‘a woman’. So When I talked to him, “What has happened about Anna Maharaj” He told me abuses he said, “Let him go to hell! Useless fellow! Don’t take his name before me Mataji. It doesn’t behove your tongue to take such a silly name!” I said, “What happened?” He said, “He’s gone with kanchan and kanta! He’s a useless fellow!” He denounced him and he said you had better not see him at all, his black face: “You don’t see his black face!” Like that. He was very angry. But one day you see this Anna Maharaj, in Bombay, came to a disciple of mine. And she wrote me: “Mother he is coming to see me. Would you like to come and see him?” I said, “I must see him now because he was so angry!” So I went to see this one single soul who’s this twenty-five years, poor this guru has given a Realisation to, and now who’s sitting down here. I went and saw this Anna Maharaj: very nicely smoking like this, you see, going on. I was sitting knowing that he knows me who I am. So he touched my feet, alright and he sat down. He said, “Ahh, you went to meet my guru. I am very angry with my guru.” I said, “What’s wrong with your guru?” This is never said! For the guru you would never say like that it’s too arrogant to say. He said, “Why is he coming now to Bombay? He told me I have to come to Bombay to meet Mataji. Why should he come? Why should she come from there?” I said, “Why? Do you feel threatened? You are threatened about it?” You see when he came to Bombay he found out about this fellow what he was doing there so he was very angry with his guru, that his guru was finding out everything! He said, “No, I think he’d better stay there!” And then I saw his Agnya chakra completely caught up, absolutely. Now his Realisation also going down. Then what happened I told him, “I am going just now but I will give you a tika. Still it’s up to you, I will put my finger on your this thing (Agyna), and I will go away.” So I put some kumkum and I put it on his forehead. And then I said, “Now you put some onto mine.” As soon as he put onto my Agnya I sucked it in, his finger, you see. And he started, jag, jag, jag, jag, jag, shaking like that. You see, he started shaking. He said, “What are you doing? Are you going to break my finger or what? What are you doing?” And I must say! And you will be surprised, then I told him that, “This is what has happened to your Agnya. I won’t leave until you promise that you are not going to say a word against your guru, and you give up all this nonsense!” So this is what is the thing. But there is something about Sahaj Yog that it works so spontaneously. So you don’t have to worry. You get your Realisation, then I will tell you all the decoding, everything hundred percent complete knowledge. Alright? And that too, absolutely free, full of love. Shri Mataji: Hmmm. How are you? Young Girl: Fine thank you. Shri Mataji: Good! Woman: Sometimes we give money in exchange for things. Shri Mataji: yes, you see…that’s why Yogi: Yes but what has it got to do with here and now? Why are you bringing the subject up of money? Woman:What? Shri Mataji: Alright, correct. It is a waste of time, I tell you. You see if you think that money giving is a symbolic thing it is not. It is more ego satisfaction. Because you have brought the point up I must tell you. We think we can purchase even God and they are playing on that. You see, you feel satisfied, you have paid for it. It is a kind of an ego satisfaction: we have paid for God also. It is not that simple my child. The symbol of love is much deeper. With money you cannot solve. That is what you are doing with your children also: you give your children very expensive toys to play with, but not your heart. Your heart should be ?? . If you have any symbol that’s your heart, your feelings, not the money. By money you make it very gross. What he’s saying is this: that at this time if you start (asking questions) you see, people’s attention will go away, they are concentrated now. That’s why he doesn’t want you to disturb them. But that’s very perfect, that money-orientation itself is a wrong thing. Money has got all these problems. Women here think of money, men think of money, that’s why the problem is there. If you could forget about money for a short time, at least with me, would be a good idea. If you bring that money over here then you are going to spoil the whole stuff, because it is very insulting, very insulting. And you cannot purchase the love of your Mother with money. You know Christ was sold for thirty rupees. Do you know that? Are you going to purchase me also and then sell me on? It can be very subtle. People do such crimes for money. That is one of the very subtle possessions of human beings, believe me. Once I say that, “Alright, if you give me money I will take the money.” Immediately your ego will be satisfied. I cannot give you Realisation then. Not by satisfying your ego, but your wisdom only I can give you Realisation. By satisfying your heart only, I can give you Realisation. You people have so much money here, much more than Indians have. But there’s no satisfaction in that. That’s why money is not a good thing. Anybody who takes somebody’s money: I’ll tell you one thing you take just a juxtaposition say to understand. If I give you some money, say I tell you I will give you £5. Will you take it? Will you take it any one of you? Will you? Free, will you take it? Anyone of you who is agreeable to take £5 free from me, free, with the knowledge of everybody else, raise your hands. Then why should I take money? Why would you not take? Because it is your self-respect that you shoul not take it. Only the parasites will accept it. Only the beggars will accept it. You make a person a beggar by giving money to that person and your ego is satisfied. I am not a beggar, I am a Queen. Will you go and give some money to your Queen? Let me see who is going to do that. Do you give any money to your Queen? To her also if you have to give, you will have to give big diamonds. You have to give your heart to me, heart to me. This is a very wrong idea. That’s what it is here. You sent somebody to you. It’s very, very, you know, something you do not understand. It’s subtlety working out in this money-oriented society. For example, Father and Mother once you are eighteen years you are on the dole, finished! Accepted parasite. This is a parasitic habit itself, that young people should take a dole. Why should you take a dole? Alright, then you leave your parents and you just send them “Happy Christmas”. An expensive card if you send, it is greater. Finished! When the father dies there is nobody next to the father to look after him. Look at this man who is sitting here, he has an old father who lives with him. His brother is looking after him, his brother is living with him. His grandfather will be living with him, his great grandfather will be living with him. That is his responsibilities in old age. These children will be living with you here. Cheap people, you think they are cheap. They give them toys, very expensive! We don’t give our children. We don’t spoil them. Whatever they want they give them. We do not do that. Of course, we give them sufficient but we do not spoil them. Whatever we can afford we give them. But what we give them is complete love and complete dedication and complete service and complete oneness. They have every right on you. For example my keys can be handled by my grandchildren or by my children, no problem. They can take away whatever they like, they can do. Whatever sari they want they can wear. I said, “Whatever they want they can take.” They have a right and they do it, and very happy to do it. But this society is so money-oriented just like ego, that you cannot see something beyond money that’s the point. Like you see when my grandchildren are coming so my husband said, when he tells me, “I’m too upset.” I said, “Why? I am so overjoyed.” He said, “Because their house will be spoiled. It is very beautifully done.” Just look at that! For us our grandchildren are coming, so we are dreaming, morning, evening, “They are going to come, oh God what we are going to have our food?” And they are also thinking that, “We are going to meet our grandparents what they are going to do!” Nothing, just meeting each other! Here nobody meets you know. When they meet they do not talk! I have seen even children: they will buy those comics and all will be reading together, and they are spending the day together or they’ll go and see a picture. When we want to meet someone we must have 2 or 3 hours free let us talk, nicely now let us talk and we have rapport, sharing. We think by giving money we reciprocate, you cannot. Even a small thing which you think is something special is so joy giving and so loving. We have a story about Rama: once when he went into exile he was passing through a forest and there was an old lady and she was belonging to the aboriginal class; absolutely old and she heard that Rama was coming. That time the people were much more sensitive, much, much more sensitive than they are today, because they were not that materialistic, you see. And she was so happy. She went round telling all over. And she told to all the trees, to all the creepers, and all of them, all the flowers that, “Oh Rama is coming, be happy! Rama is coming.” And she started thinking, “What should I give to my Ram?” So she decided on giving something to eat, to solve where to get that beautiful thing which I can give to Rama. So in those days there was this berry, we call them ber in India. But that’s a different type, you don’t get them here. They were the fruits that were available at that time. So she went and plucked all these. And then she sat down and tasted them, by putting her teeth very slowly into them... (end of recording)

7/21/1978

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Guru Puja, "Your own dignity and gravity" Finchley Ashram, London (UK), 21 July 1978 …the worshipping of your guru, not of your Mother, but of your guru. The guru establishes the dharma, the sustenance, in the disciples. He gives all clear-cut ideas about what is the sustenance power for the disciples. He may preach for the whole world but for his disciples, he gives very clear-cut instructions. Most of the gurus, when they do it, they actually chisel out every disciple. First they weigh what is the urge of a disciple, how much a disciple really can receive, and then they accept somebody as a disciple after verifying if the disciple is really capable of receiving even the instructions about dharma. But not in Sahaja Yoga because your guru is a Mother. So she initiates you without finding out what is your urge, what is your capability and what quality of a personality you have. It’s a very different style of guru that you have which looks after your body, looks after your mind and looks after your problems and then bestows upon you the blessings of Kundalini awakening. But normally the gurus do not do [this]. The reason is: they are only gurus, not mothers. When you do the Guru puja, what do you do really? You must understand that. That means you worship the principle of guru in you, by worshipping me. The principle is within you: which is to be awakened, which is to be blossomed, by which you become the gurus. And the principle is that of dharma. So one has to know that, when you are doing my puja, I would like this time, really, to give you that blossoming within your being, which makes you fragrant with dharma. But, as you have seen, after Realisation you have to be very careful. In the same way, after becoming guru it is even more necessary to be careful. Because as you know that in the West we have ego problem. The Westerners are ego-oriented. ‘Guru’ means higher. ‘Guru’ means the one who has more weight within. ‘Guru' word is used even for ‘magnetic’, which has more weight, gravity. Such a person has much more gravity than others have. So [that] he can teach others, he has to be a higher person. When this awakens into you, it has to be sustained with complete observation within you, that you do not succumb to the ways of ego. Also you should not have irreligious behaviour, nor you should have indecent behaviour; neither you should be hot tempered, nor should be servile, but should be in the centre. You are the guru. You are the higher personality than the rest of them. So you have to maintain a certain higher values of dignity, of your own sustenance, which have to be higher than those to whom you teach, who become your disciples. If you are defective, it would be a very big loss for the Sahaja Yoga. Like you become the activated organs of the body. Supposing one cell dies, makes no difference to the body. Even many die, makes no difference. But if the organ fails in its functioning, then all that depends on that organ fails completely. Maybe it would be fatal. Now, with ego, superego also becomes very active. And many people feel that then, “How can we bear this load, oh Mother?” And the other escape starts. As soon as I say that there should be no ego expression, people do not like it and they want to escape it by saying, “Oh we can’t do it, it’s too much for us. How can we come up to that point?”. This is a typical example of too much ego, superego in us. But it is not at all difficult. It’s not at all difficult. First of all you must have faith in yourself and faith in Sahaja Yoga. I will definitely today awaken that in you, no doubt. I will. But keep it enlightened. By understanding that you are a guru, you will understand your responsibilities. We change our positions very easily in general life. If you are made a jailer immediately you assume as a jailer. In the same way when you are the guru, not by bestowing upon you any names or anything I call you a guru, but because it has happened within your Nabhi Chakra and in the Void that you become the guru. It’s a happening in your awareness that blossoms you into that position of a guru. It is not artificial. It is no brainwashing or anything. It happens within you. But to retain it one has to know. But the biggest thing of the ego is playing games. That is the biggest thing. Some people try to show they are very innocent. Some people try to show they are very clever. Playing games is the worst thing of ego and that’s why you must know, as a guru, you are not to play games. You have to be absolutely straightforward, absolutely straightforward. Everyone can make you out what you are. As soon as you are a guru, you have to be absolutely a transparent person. Face yourself! If you make mistakes makes no difference at all. It doesn’t make any difference at all if you make some mistakes. But do not pretend [to be] something which you are not. Trying to put up some sort of a face and all these things are not going to help you. Sahaja Yoga is a genuine thing, is a true thing and we have to be true gurus. It doesn’t happen by just giving somebody a name, “Now come along, you become an initiator and all that.” It is not that way. You have to raise the Kundalini and give them Realisation and tell them that, unless and until it is realised it won’t work out. You could be better gurus than me. I can assure you. For two reasons: firstly I am a Mother, so the love principle is much more. Always it supersedes the guru principle. You have to love others, no doubt, but in surrendering you can help me much more than I can help. For example, I will give you the example of Bala: he had the centre in Birmingham and he had some people and he sent Philip to me yesterday; and he came down, I saw him. Of course he, he had lots of problems, tremendous problems on his Kundalini. But his surrendering capacity was so great that he just started sucking my vibrations, he just started flowing with me and it was only because he came through Bala. Because Bala must have told him that the only way to do it is to surrender. And that has gone into his being so clearly that he has done it. He has seen to all arguments and everything and he has finished them off. And when he came to me he just started getting everything into himself. And he was so much changed by the evening that I was amazed at the whole saintliness that was coming out. I was amazed at him. But you yourself have to be very careful. You have to be loving, no doubt. But loving doesn’t mean that you show fear about things and go out of the way to please people. No, it never means that. Neither it means shouting at people or getting angry with people. But it never, never, means for a guru tattwa, never means, that you go on asking for votes. Have a little indifference about it: if the disciple accepts, well and good, but you are not going to throw pearls for these animals to trample over. So that dignity, the protocol of your own personality you must maintain. That is very important, because such people are extremely different. And nobody will accept a guru who is like this: trying to show that you are afraid of them. If you are afraid how could you be the guru? Or trying to show you are very innocent or very sweet, overnice and looking after food and this and that. No! They should look after you; not that you should look after them. When you are the guru, they have to look after you. Of course, you have to be kind and you have to be nice to them, as your Mother has been, but you just don’t run after them. That would reduce your quality as a guru. Stand in your own dignity and understanding. I know some of them will despise you: makes no difference. Some of them will laugh at you: makes no difference. Stand with your dignity: like the big elephant walking, and the dogs are barking. Dignity is the first thing, the ‘gurutwa' as it’s called. There’s no words exactly which can match with ‘guru’ in English language. But I would say that the dignity and the gravity of a personality: the gravity, the weight of the personality. The personality should be such that it’s not frivolous. People know you cannot take liberties. It isn’t frivolous. It is joyous, but not frivolous. People who talk frivolously can never be good gurus. Any kind of frivolity is not good. This is the first thing you have to know: it’s the gravity you must have. And second thing is, [in] dealing with your disciples, never despise them. Despising is against Sahaj Yog. It’s a sin! Even if somebody is suffering from very bad spirits, you should not despise. You can condemn, but not despise. You must understand the difference between these words. And you can condemn that this guru is bad, he’s a rakshasa, he’s satanic, but you cannot despise. Despising is a very sly method. It is not meant for any Sahaja Yogi. It’s most indignified. But you can clearly condemn a person - it’s all right. You have to be clear about this point: is never despise your disciples. Love them. Give them respect. And respect them, for maybe tomorrow they may be greater gurus than you are. I respect you. And you have to respect them. And never be in competition with your disciples. Be happy when you find your disciples come up higher and higher. That is the greatest fulfilment of a guru: is to see that your disciples are rising like this because they are your flowers, and you are the tree, and you are watching the flowers rising. It should be like that. While talking you should not be very silent nor over-talkative. Any extreme should be given up and you must talk with dignity and gravity, and with experience, with understanding. Now, supposing you have some problems, sit down in your meditation and find out. You will find out within yourself the answer. If not you can always ask. Now you will be amazed how the powers will be flowing through you. Today, in this puja, please, be in a receptive mood and it will work out. If there are some problems, some chakras catching, just don’t worry about them. Pay attention to how much you are receiving in, that’s all. Some people have very funny ideas. Even during puja they’ll go on like this. It’s very bad. Even when I am speaking, they do it like this. It’s all frivolous. There’s a kind of a gravity a person must have that, when you are listening, you must listen with full gravity. And that is gravity of this Mother Earth. Which is nothing but is her awareness, is her vibrations,sandipan (संदीपन). That is her gravity. In the same way this gravity must come into us. When it comes into you, a person becomes like a magnet. Absolutely like a magnet a personality you become. A magnet as it attracts people, or we can say as it attracts the iron. It doesn’t attract every sort of thing. In the same way you’ll be attractive to the real seekers. The real seekers will come to you when they will see that magnet working in you. In India many people have put sign-doors in their houses. Sign-doors that: Sahaja Yoga centre. And you will be surprised that in every corner one can do work like that, and people can join and come there, and a centre can be established. But first, of course, I will also tell you how you should before doing anything, you must before starting your guru work, you must always prostrate yourself before your own Guru, and then do it. Because in India even a musician, when he starts singing, first he takes his guru’s name, then of his family, gharana, as they call it. For you the family is Sahaja Yoga, so you should take the name of Sahaja Yoga. And while singing the songs you see, sometimes these gurus have composed the poems and things, and there is the name of the guru somewhere in between that: “Kabir says,” or somebody says. When the name comes in, they hold their ears like this. Even while dancing they’ll hold their ears like this. Musicians, carefully, they’ll hold their ears; meaning that, “Oh guru, please forgive us we are taking your name like this. So please forgive us, oh Guru.” That kind of a complete respect for the guru has to be there. If you do not give respect, you will not get respect. Respect is to be given, then it is to be commanded. First if you start demanding respect you cannot. First you have to give respect. And that is something you should remember: that people will respect you, no doubt. Lastly, that you have to be very careful about how we behave with others, and how we dress up also. It’s better that you take to lighter shades of clothes, and whiter, more whiter shades of clothes, because that is how it is going to work out ultimately. When you are doing guru’s job, then take to lighter colours, and lighter shades; maybe white is the best. I mean now, henceforward when you buy something, buy of genuine stuff like cotton and all that, and buy one thing like that. You can have such a thing which is genuine thing for when you are doing guru’s work, when you are meeting your disciples, meet them in that dress. Because white colour is meant for the Satyuga, and that’s what you have to wear; only when you are dealing like a guru. That is important, that will help you, because you must have the personality of a guru. When people see you they should know that you are a guru. When you walk they should see you are a guru. When you talk they should think that, “He is the man, we can say he is definitely the man who has achieved something in life.” So in every way you will be blessed by the Divine, because you are doing the job of the Divine. The Divine is going to look after you, everything; only thing that you have to look after is your own dignity; own dignity and your own proper countenance, that’s important. That’s why, I tell the hippies that you cut your hair a little bit. A little too much [hair] is not good. You shouldn’t look like something out of the blue. Even too much [of a] dandy person doesn’t look nice as a guru. Both the extremes must be avoided. It should be in the centre. Something very, very [much] in the centre you must take care of; nothing this extreme or that extreme. As for the knowledge, that is within you. Actually I don’t have to tell you anything. That is within you. You just keep inside and it will be there. You just start speaking and it will be expressing itself. You won’t have to at all ask me, I can tell you this much. It will just come out. There’s a girl of ten years in India, and she started this, and when she was speaking, people said, “[It’s] as if Mataji Herself was speaking.” So you don’t have to worry about it. But in case there is any problem I am always there to help you. So may God bless you, let us be prepared for this puja. By God’s Grace all of you will have it. In this awakening, I have to tell you that age, race, sex, colour: nothing matters. Even… [Tape ends here]

Guru Puja, "Your own dignity and gravity" Finchley Ashram, London (UK), 21 July 1978 …the worshipping of your guru, not of your Mother, but of your guru. The guru establishes the dharma, the sustenance, in the disciples. He gives all clear-cut ideas about what is the sustenance power for the disciples. He may preach for the whole world but for his disciples, he gives very clear-cut instructions. Most of the gurus, when they do it, they actually chisel out every disciple. First they weigh what is the urge of a disciple, how much a disciple really can receive, and then they accept somebody as a disciple after verifying if the disciple is really capable of receiving even the instructions about dharma. But not in Sahaja Yoga because your guru is a Mother. So she initiates you without finding out what is your urge, what is your capability and what quality of a personality you have. It’s a very different style of guru that you have which looks after your body, looks after your mind and looks after your problems and then bestows upon you the blessings of Kundalini awakening. But normally the gurus do not do [this]. The reason is: they are only gurus, not mothers. When you do the Guru puja, what do you do really? You must understand that. That means you worship the principle of guru in you, by worshipping me. The principle is within you: which is to be awakened, which is to be blossomed, by which you become the gurus. And the principle is that of dharma. So one has to know that, when you are doing my puja, I would like this time, really, to give you that blossoming within your being, which makes you fragrant with dharma. But, as you have seen, after Realisation you have to be very careful. In the same way, after becoming guru it is even more necessary to be careful. Because as you know that in the West we have ego problem. The Westerners are ego-oriented. ‘Guru’ means higher. ‘Guru’ means the one who has more weight within. ‘Guru' word is used even for ‘magnetic’, which has more weight, gravity. Such a person has much more gravity than others have. So [that] he can teach others, he has to be a higher person. When this awakens into you, it has to be sustained with complete observation within you, that you do not succumb to the ways of ego. Also you should not have irreligious behaviour, nor you should have indecent behaviour; neither you should be hot tempered, nor should be servile, but should be in the centre. You are the guru. You are the higher personality than the rest of them. So you have to maintain a certain higher values of dignity, of your own sustenance, which have to be higher than those to whom you teach, who become your disciples. If you are defective, it would be a very big loss for the Sahaja Yoga. Like you become the activated organs of the body. Supposing one cell dies, makes no difference to the body. Even many die, makes no difference. But if the organ fails in its functioning, then all that depends on that organ fails completely. Maybe it would be fatal. Now, with ego, superego also becomes very active. And many people feel that then, “How can we bear this load, oh Mother?” And the other escape starts. As soon as I say that there should be no ego expression, people do not like it and they want to escape it by saying, “Oh we can’t do it, it’s too much for us. How can we come up to that point?”. This is a typical example of too much ego, superego in us. But it is not at all difficult. It’s not at all difficult. First of all you must have faith in yourself and faith in Sahaja Yoga. I will definitely today awaken that in you, no doubt. I will. But keep it enlightened. By understanding that you are a guru, you will understand your responsibilities. We change our positions very easily in general life. If you are made a jailer immediately you assume as a jailer. In the same way when you are the guru, not by bestowing upon you any names or anything I call you a guru, but because it has happened within your Nabhi Chakra and in the Void that you become the guru. It’s a happening in your awareness that blossoms you into that position of a guru. It is not artificial. It is no brainwashing or anything. It happens within you. But to retain it one has to know. But the biggest thing of the ego is playing games. That is the biggest thing. Some people try to show they are very innocent. Some people try to show they are very clever. Playing games is the worst thing of ego and that’s why you must know, as a guru, you are not to play games. You have to be absolutely straightforward, absolutely straightforward. Everyone can make you out what you are. As soon as you are a guru, you have to be absolutely a transparent person. Face yourself! If you make mistakes makes no difference at all. It doesn’t make any difference at all if you make some mistakes. But do not pretend [to be] something which you are not. Trying to put up some sort of a face and all these things are not going to help you. Sahaja Yoga is a genuine thing, is a true thing and we have to be true gurus. It doesn’t happen by just giving somebody a name, “Now come along, you become an initiator and all that.” It is not that way. You have to raise the Kundalini and give them Realisation and tell them that, unless and until it is realised it won’t work out. You could be better gurus than me. I can assure you. For two reasons: firstly I am a Mother, so the love principle is much more. Always it supersedes the guru principle. You have to love others, no doubt, but in surrendering you can help me much more than I can help. For example, I will give you the example of Bala: he had the centre in Birmingham and he had some people and he sent Philip to me yesterday; and he came down, I saw him. Of course he, he had lots of problems, tremendous problems on his Kundalini. But his surrendering capacity was so great that he just started sucking my vibrations, he just started flowing with me and it was only because he came through Bala. Because Bala must have told him that the only way to do it is to surrender. And that has gone into his being so clearly that he has done it. He has seen to all arguments and everything and he has finished them off. And when he came to me he just started getting everything into himself. And he was so much changed by the evening that I was amazed at the whole saintliness that was coming out. I was amazed at him. But you yourself have to be very careful. You have to be loving, no doubt. But loving doesn’t mean that you show fear about things and go out of the way to please people. No, it never means that. Neither it means shouting at people or getting angry with people. But it never, never, means for a guru tattwa, never means, that you go on asking for votes. Have a little indifference about it: if the disciple accepts, well and good, but you are not going to throw pearls for these animals to trample over. So that dignity, the protocol of your own personality you must maintain. That is very important, because such people are extremely different. And nobody will accept a guru who is like this: trying to show that you are afraid of them. If you are afraid how could you be the guru? Or trying to show you are very innocent or very sweet, overnice and looking after food and this and that. No! They should look after you; not that you should look after them. When you are the guru, they have to look after you. Of course, you have to be kind and you have to be nice to them, as your Mother has been, but you just don’t run after them. That would reduce your quality as a guru. Stand in your own dignity and understanding. I know some of them will despise you: makes no difference. Some of them will laugh at you: makes no difference. Stand with your dignity: like the big elephant walking, and the dogs are barking. Dignity is the first thing, the ‘gurutwa' as it’s called. There’s no words exactly which can match with ‘guru’ in English language. But I would say that the dignity and the gravity of a personality: the gravity, the weight of the personality. The personality should be such that it’s not frivolous. People know you cannot take liberties. It isn’t frivolous. It is joyous, but not frivolous. People who talk frivolously can never be good gurus. Any kind of frivolity is not good. This is the first thing you have to know: it’s the gravity you must have. And second thing is, [in] dealing with your disciples, never despise them. Despising is against Sahaj Yog. It’s a sin! Even if somebody is suffering from very bad spirits, you should not despise. You can condemn, but not despise. You must understand the difference between these words. And you can condemn that this guru is bad, he’s a rakshasa, he’s satanic, but you cannot despise. Despising is a very sly method. It is not meant for any Sahaja Yogi. It’s most indignified. But you can clearly condemn a person - it’s all right. You have to be clear about this point: is never despise your disciples. Love them. Give them respect. And respect them, for maybe tomorrow they may be greater gurus than you are. I respect you. And you have to respect them. And never be in competition with your disciples. Be happy when you find your disciples come up higher and higher. That is the greatest fulfilment of a guru: is to see that your disciples are rising like this because they are your flowers, and you are the tree, and you are watching the flowers rising. It should be like that. While talking you should not be very silent nor over-talkative. Any extreme should be given up and you must talk with dignity and gravity, and with experience, with understanding. Now, supposing you have some problems, sit down in your meditation and find out. You will find out within yourself the answer. If not you can always ask. Now you will be amazed how the powers will be flowing through you. Today, in this puja, please, be in a receptive mood and it will work out. If there are some problems, some chakras catching, just don’t worry about them. Pay attention to how much you are receiving in, that’s all. Some people have very funny ideas. Even during puja they’ll go on like this. It’s very bad. Even when I am speaking, they do it like this. It’s all frivolous. There’s a kind of a gravity a person must have that, when you are listening, you must listen with full gravity. And that is gravity of this Mother Earth. Which is nothing but is her awareness, is her vibrations,sandipan (संदीपन). That is her gravity. In the same way this gravity must come into us. When it comes into you, a person becomes like a magnet. Absolutely like a magnet a personality you become. A magnet as it attracts people, or we can say as it attracts the iron. It doesn’t attract every sort of thing. In the same way you’ll be attractive to the real seekers. The real seekers will come to you when they will see that magnet working in you. In India many people have put sign-doors in their houses. Sign-doors that: Sahaja Yoga centre. And you will be surprised that in every corner one can do work like that, and people can join and come there, and a centre can be established. But first, of course, I will also tell you how you should before doing anything, you must before starting your guru work, you must always prostrate yourself before your own Guru, and then do it. Because in India even a musician, when he starts singing, first he takes his guru’s name, then of his family, gharana, as they call it. For you the family is Sahaja Yoga, so you should take the name of Sahaja Yoga. And while singing the songs you see, sometimes these gurus have composed the poems and things, and there is the name of the guru somewhere in between that: “Kabir says,” or somebody says. When the name comes in, they hold their ears like this. Even while dancing they’ll hold their ears like this. Musicians, carefully, they’ll hold their ears; meaning that, “Oh guru, please forgive us we are taking your name like this. So please forgive us, oh Guru.” That kind of a complete respect for the guru has to be there. If you do not give respect, you will not get respect. Respect is to be given, then it is to be commanded. First if you start demanding respect you cannot. First you have to give respect. And that is something you should remember: that people will respect you, no doubt. Lastly, that you have to be very careful about how we behave with others, and how we dress up also. It’s better that you take to lighter shades of clothes, and whiter, more whiter shades of clothes, because that is how it is going to work out ultimately. When you are doing guru’s job, then take to lighter colours, and lighter shades; maybe white is the best. I mean now, henceforward when you buy something, buy of genuine stuff like cotton and all that, and buy one thing like that. You can have such a thing which is genuine thing for when you are doing guru’s work, when you are meeting your disciples, meet them in that dress. Because white colour is meant for the Satyuga, and that’s what you have to wear; only when you are dealing like a guru. That is important, that will help you, because you must have the personality of a guru. When people see you they should know that you are a guru. When you walk they should see you are a guru. When you talk they should think that, “He is the man, we can say he is definitely the man who has achieved something in life.” So in every way you will be blessed by the Divine, because you are doing the job of the Divine. The Divine is going to look after you, everything; only thing that you have to look after is your own dignity; own dignity and your own proper countenance, that’s important. That’s why, I tell the hippies that you cut your hair a little bit. A little too much [hair] is not good. You shouldn’t look like something out of the blue. Even too much [of a] dandy person doesn’t look nice as a guru. Both the extremes must be avoided. It should be in the centre. Something very, very [much] in the centre you must take care of; nothing this extreme or that extreme. As for the knowledge, that is within you. Actually I don’t have to tell you anything. That is within you. You just keep inside and it will be there. You just start speaking and it will be expressing itself. You won’t have to at all ask me, I can tell you this much. It will just come out. There’s a girl of ten years in India, and she started this, and when she was speaking, people said, “[It’s] as if Mataji Herself was speaking.” So you don’t have to worry about it. But in case there is any problem I am always there to help you. So may God bless you, let us be prepared for this puja. By God’s Grace all of you will have it. In this awakening, I have to tell you that age, race, sex, colour: nothing matters. Even… [Tape ends here]

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Letter on Raksha-Bandhan

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Letter from Shri Mataji to Sahaja Yogis on Raki & Raksha-Bandhan on Purnima Day, August 7, 1978 (Translation from Marathi) Many blessings, Received your Rakhis conveying your deep love. Rakhi is Protecting Power. Its bond is very strong and extremely tender because it symbolizes the noble love of sister. Customarily, tying a Rakhi to someone is establishing a place of Pure Protection. However, man’s ability to understand love has become so feeble that tying of Rakhi has become merely a mechanical process. All beautiful human traditions become lifeless and dry formalities if there is no warmth of faith in them.I have taken birth in this world in the binding of Sahaja Yogis and have been moving around only in their binding. I am desireless and hence my everything depends upon your desires. You have to ask something with Rakhi. Please consult all Sahaja Yogis and ask what you want by writing a collective letter.I am keeping good health because you are desiring it. There will be only minor operation on my ear and it should not make you anxious at all. Moreover, I have no trouble whatsoever. So do not worry. Rakhi Purnima is a day of great significance. On that day you should ask for perfection, make big decisions andkeep attention on high ideals. Sahaja Yogis should not destroy their attention on trifle issues. Lot of work hasyet to be done. Those Sahaja Yogis who have progressed should get busy. New centres should be opened. People should be cured of their diseases and their attention should be drawn towards God realization. Please show this letter to all Sahaja Yogis. Always remembering youYour Mother Nirmala

Letter from Shri Mataji to Sahaja Yogis on Raki & Raksha-Bandhan on Purnima Day, August 7, 1978 (Translation from Marathi) Many blessings, Received your Rakhis conveying your deep love. Rakhi is Protecting Power. Its bond is very strong and extremely tender because it symbolizes the noble love of sister. Customarily, tying a Rakhi to someone is establishing a place of Pure Protection. However, man’s ability to understand love has become so feeble that tying of Rakhi has become merely a mechanical process. All beautiful human traditions become lifeless and dry formalities if there is no warmth of faith in them.I have taken birth in this world in the binding of Sahaja Yogis and have been moving around only in their binding. I am desireless and hence my everything depends upon your desires. You have to ask something with Rakhi. Please consult all Sahaja Yogis and ask what you want by writing a collective letter.I am keeping good health because you are desiring it. There will be only minor operation on my ear and it should not make you anxious at all. Moreover, I have no trouble whatsoever. So do not worry. Rakhi Purnima is a day of great significance. On that day you should ask for perfection, make big decisions andkeep attention on high ideals. Sahaja Yogis should not destroy their attention on trifle issues. Lot of work hasyet to be done. Those Sahaja Yogis who have progressed should get busy. New centres should be opened. People should be cured of their diseases and their attention should be drawn towards God realization. Please show this letter to all Sahaja Yogis. Always remembering youYour Mother Nirmala

9/7/1978

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9/11/1978

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The Principle of Brahma

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The Principle of Brahma, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 11 September 1978. Today I want to tell you about something, perhaps I have never touched that point before. Or I have not talked about it, that elaborately. It is about The Principle of Brahma: What is the principle of Brahma? How does It exist? How is It born? How does It manifest? And how, It is detached and also attached. The Principle of Brahma is different from Brahma Itself, in description. Like the principles that I follow, is different from what I am. It’s a very subtle subject and requires real meditative attention. So, all criticism of your minds, please put them off, as you have put off your shoes. Have you put off your shoes all of you? Please. And just listen with little, little subtler attention to Me. Can you come forward! You all can come forward so that those who will be coming later can come later on. Come along forward! I think better is to come forward, because we have no mic here. It’s better to come forward here. As the principles on which you are based are different from what you are, in the same way, the Principle of Brahma is different from the Brahma Itself, but is a Brahma and is contained in the Brahma. But the Brahma itself is sustained by the Principle. In dimension, you may say that Brahma is wider, larger and, you can call it even, deeper – but the subtler is the Principle. This Principle exists with Brahma at the beginning of The Universe, of Creation. At the very beginning, it exists, but as it is an eternal play of creation, destruction, sustenance in between, and in Sanskrit they call it sthiti: ‘state of performance’, you can call it. In all these three stages, Brahma Principle changes its forms according to the container that it has. Like here the light looks like, the shade looks like of the shape of the globe that is covering it. 'Looking like' is the Maya, is the Illusion. Something that looks like something which it is not: this phenomenon is the Maya, is the Illusion. So the Principle acts, pulsates the Brahma, and in the Brahma exist all the Powers which, later on, manifest the Creation. So the Principle, which is the Divine Power, the aura of that, or the thing that it sustains is the complete Brahma and that Brahma has got three powers, namely – one of existence, second of creation, third of sustenance. The Principle is the pulsating power of the Brahma. And it is represented as Om. When we say, “Om”, this was used also in the Christian prayer as "Amen", it’s the same as Om, there’s no difference. When we say, “Om,” actually the action of this Principle is in the form of Om, like this, which is written on your forehead, if you can see it inside, in that way, here. This Principle is the, we can say, the fetus. This Principle is the fetus of the Divine Power. Then the same Principle, or you can call, the seed, then it divides into three channels and enters into the creative, sustaining and the existing power of the Brahma Tattwa and manifests in it – we haven’t got anything to write, otherwise I could show you. But it permeates, just like the rivers flow and permeate in the soil and nourish it, in the same way, this Principle of Brahma flows, permeates, pulsates and nourishes the surrounding area of Brahma. So, when the Attention, which you call as Maha Chitta, or the Attention of God, you can call it, is on this Principle, then Brahma doesn’t see it. Are you following it? When the Attention [of God Almighty] moves from the Principle, It doesn’t leave It. When the river flows, it doesn’t leave its source. When It permeates into the Brahma, It starts creating. This principle is detached, as the light or the electricity inside this globe is detached. But it permeates. It may permeate through it, it may permeate into this room but still it is detached. I wouldn’t say there could be any proper simile for Brahma because that’s an absolute stuff and an absolute cannot be compared; as they call it ‘atula’, it cannot be compared with anything. So now people think then, “What is God?” Question comes in. “Where is God? What is He? What has He got to do with Brahma and the Principle that is Brahma?” God is The Principle, He is the Attention, He is the Joy and He is the Truth. And the Brahma that surrounds Him is His power, permeated, enlightened by His existence. The same Brahma has got a capacity to get itself transformed into the creative, sustaining and the, you call it, existing or destructive powers. We can see a small little seed, how it manifests a tree. We never think – from where do the shoots come out, from where does the root comes out, what creates the flowers, what gives it the fragrance – for the seeds do not have any fragrance. But there is definitely a mechanism, which is very microscopic, inside the seed, placed there. And seed is the form where there is no movement, no manifestation, no creation. In the same way Brahma can be in seed form. So, the sustaining power within us or the creative power within us, or, what you call, the destructive power or the left-side power – which we call as the astitwa – is the existing power, all these are manifested by Principle of Brahma but by themselves they are nothing. So Sat-Chit-Ananda, the Truth, the Joy and the Attention, the nature of Brahma, which is this, is God. “Why, what is Shakti then?” The question comes in. The Shakti is the complete Brahma plus the Power of God. Like the cotyledons in the seed, the primule in the seed, the cotyledons support it. Through the cotyledons, the primule takes all the powers and creates beautiful flowers and all the beautiful fruits. The roots also are created. The food is given by cotyledons: it sustains them. Out of this, the principle that does it, the generating power, the germinating power that is in it, is the power that we call as the Shakti. But in a seed, which is a material thing, it has no awareness to do it. It’s a very subtle point, try to understand it. The seed itself cannot germinate itself. It has certain other power within it, which is placed by God that germinates it. It cannot do by itself. That power is the God in the seed and also in the ground. The germinating power is the Shakti, that power which makes it do it but the seed is not aware of it. When you reach to the human stage, you have to know that Power, and you have to be aware of that Power, and that is Self-realisation. The Power that has created you, The Power that has given you all these three powers: Ida Nadi, Pingala Nadi, all Kundalini, everything – The One which is the desire of all that. We can take a simile just to understand it. The owner of the house…I hope it will work out but, sometimes, you know how human minds are confused. Supposing the owner of the house walks into the house with his money and creates everything that he wants to do about his house. Now the master goes out, he’s not there. When you see, you see a house created, you see the power of all the workmen who have done the job, and somebody who has established everything. But you don’t know whose desire it has created. In the same way, you have seen your body being created, you even see the mind that is you have got, you can see your emotions, they are there, of course. You can also see you are a human being. You can also see you are much far away from the animals. And if you have some wisdom, you understand also you are much wiser than anything that is created so far. And also, if you have some foresight. But the power of desiring, desiring power or we can say the projecting power or the one who is the owner of all that, the owning power, I mean, I don’t know how you understand the master of the whole thing. He is the God. And then His Power of Desire – Mahakali’s power, is His Desire – then manifests everything else. His desire, He manifests. His Mahakali’s power that you see here on the left-hand side is manifested in the human being as Ida Nadi. [It] creates all the rest of the Universe and everything later on. But first is only the desire. But the One who desires is the God. In us, He is placed in our heart away from all this filth. And He just desires. We do not know Him but He knows us. We know one thing, definitely, that He knows us. There is Someone who is definitely watching us, as in the [Bhagavad] Gita, they say Kshetr Agnya, the One who is the knower of the field. The Knower of the field is there. Once you also become the knower of your field, you are Self-realised: this is Self-realisation. When people talk about Self-realisation cheaply! I’m really shocked. The way people have taken into their hands, such a revered subject and just try to mould it for making money! Just think of it! From that level to this level, it’s a bit too much! I mean, this, only human beings can do, I can tell you. Nobody can do like this but human beings. Even if they are rakshasas they know that this is Divine Power and you cannot misuse it by any chance! So this Principle works, say, in a… in the matter it works. As the electromagnetic force, you can say. But not as the electromagnetic force, it works which brings about the electromagnetic force inside that. Can you follow the point? Do you? Say, here is electricity, but the one who sends the electricity is The Person and He’s aware of it. Till you reach the stage of Self-realisation you are not aware of it, you cannot control it, you cannot work it out. It works by Itself, and that’s why the doctors call it as autonomous nervous system, and the psychologists as unconscious. After Realisation only, the whole thing becomes your own, in the sense – you change sides. So far you have been looking things from there, now you sit with Me and see the whole story. But this Principle of Brahma lives in this mood. It can be in such a mood that it has no duty at all, it has no duty, it just exists. It has no duty. It is not the duty of a owner of a house to do something about it. It is His whim: if He wants to do it, He’ll do it, otherwise He’ll live like a hermit. He has no duties. I hope you understand the meaning of “the owner,” because the human laws are funny. Whatever you may be the owner, still you can’t do many things. But if you can think of an absolute owner of this place, absolute owner… Yes, very true, you’re smiling, but in Oxted we had a freehold house [but] we couldn’t cut the tree, we couldn’t plant the tree, we couldn’t do this to the hedge, you couldn’t do that. But He is an absolute owner, absolute owner. Understand the ‘absolute’ word! Where no law, but His own laws work out. His laws operate. Nobody’s laws can reach Him. Then you may say, the question comes in, “Then how is it Mother, it is said that, ‘We are free, freedom has been given to us?” Only the freedom is so far as to choose Him: for your betterment, you are not going to better Him. You are not going to better Sahaja Yoga by coming to Sahaja Yoga, you are sadly mistaken [if you think that]. No! Sahaja Yoga has no duties. It’s a whim. It has no problems. It is standing on Its own mastery; It’s not bothered whether you come here or go away. It is nishprayojana [aimless], It is without any prayojana: cause. The cause: It is causeless; It’s not bothered. So, It has to take a form in which It has to bother. Then It creates, like a master of a house need not bother about anything. He’s the master, who’s going to criticise Him? Who is going to argue with Him? Who is going to challenge Him? Who is going to put a quota against Him? He’s the Master of everything! Absolute Master! God, means, He is not only Almighty, but He’s the Master of all that He has created. He is the master, if He wants, He will do it, otherwise He will not do it. It is His whim that He has done it. So, He’s not bothered, but then He takes a form, sometimes, of a person who wants to do something. He wants to bother, just as a whim He bothers Himself and He starts creating. And He creates. And He creates this Universe and He creates you. He creates because He wants to see it with many eyes – what He has done. So he creates His own children, grows them up, gives them eyes so that they can enjoy what He has got. He gives them their power to see. This essence of Brahma is the Ganga Tattwa: as, in the Sanskrit, He is called as the Ganga Principle. From here [Mooladhara], we have to understand that is the first principle and that is the principle of innocence. That is a principle of holiness, that is a principle of chastity within us. That is the principle by which we preserve ourself, by which we respect ourselves. That principle has been incarnated on this earth, as I have told you. He’s created as Ganesha but He’s incarnated as Jesus Christ. He’s the Brahma Tattwa. He’s detached and that’s why He could be resurrected. No other incarnation could be resurrected. He was not born, it was a conception, a desire. And that’s why He was resurrected. You all, perhaps do not know that what is difficult for God? I mean, for an Indian it is very easy to understand that Ganesha was created by Parvati, Yes! She created Him. We can never doubt it, because He’s God after all. He is an absolute personality. He can do whatever He likes. Of course, He does something that is intelligible to your mind, tries to. But if He has done something which is not intelligible to you, it should not be discarded as something mythological, or something out of the blue, not to be believed. Because if you say that, then are you the most absolute people to judge Him? Let us know that we are not, we are not, but we have to be! He wants you to be aware of Him And in this creation, when He creates, He creates Himself into a One Primordial Being. He becomes that, He assumes that position of being the One Primordial Being. And then He selects His cells which have to play an important role which are to be awakened. Now the brain cells are the ones which are aware. Have you ever thought, that – how these brain cells know? How, how come… everything…? This little boy asked Me this question, because he’s very much there, but very few people ask this question: “How there is gravity? Why this becomes red? Why that becomes green? How it has happened? Who has done it?” We take things for granted, everything for granted. That’s the only trouble with human beings, taking everything for granted. If we do not take for granted everything and just in all humility say that, “O Lord, we know very little about You, we’d like to know,” He takes you up and makes you sit in His brain, so that you become aware of the powers of His brain, of His heart, from where He loves you, where He is the ocean of compassion, you become a drop in that Ocean. And you, also, with your waves, you jump up and down and enjoy that compassion of His. Just a drop you are, but you are the Ocean. This is what explains what Kabira says. You see, these great people have described Him but it becomes absolutely ambiguous for you. The human rationality cannot explain all these things. So, your rationality has to improve onto vibratory awareness. You have to go through that level, minimum of minimum, to understand God. You cannot understand Him at this level. So don’t come out here with ideas that you are going to give something to God, no! You have to take; you cannot give anything to Him. But in your humility, if you express yourself, He likes it. The Master loves when a little child brings some flowers for him. When a little baby brings, say, flowers for the Mother, the Mother likes it. Not 'likes', but in Sanskrit there’s a word, ‘kautupa’. I don’t know, there’s no word in English for that, I am sorry. ‘Kautupa’ is the happiness, the joy that one feels when he sees this child come up, when the person sees the child returning the love in its small way. After all children are – what are they going to do, you see? Like this one, you see, one day he brought 2p for me. He says, “Grandmother, you can buy a sari with this, yes, you’d better keep it with you.” You see, he found it somewhere, he said, “I haven’t earned it, but I’ve got for you, so you can keep it and buy a sari.” Then the feelings that come into mind, there’s the kautupa. The feeling that comes within at that time in a Mother’s heart, is the kautupa, the sweetness of that, the beauty of that. You cannot understand by your dry rationality, it can make you parched, completely. It has no feelings, it has no sensitivity, nothing. O God, this ego, I tell you this so-called ego, has really parched human beings completely of all the beautiful things that have been flowing in them, all the sensitivity. And horrible books and horrible things that people have taught you have really finished all that’s beautiful that was within you. Such beautiful flowers were created with such beautiful fragrance to be emitted, have been parched completely, I feel, by this foolish ego of human beings which is so limited. It was given to you just to understand a few things but you have covered yourself completely with that mud and it’s such a difficult thing I find, such a difficult thing. Some examples can be given. A boy came to see Me, the other day, with a friend who is a very great Sahaja Yogi, I must say. He’s not here today. And he is, I would say, just to please the Sahaja Yogi I said, “All right, I’ll take him out.” Found the boy had a terrible guilt within him, because he had done something horrible, absolutely horrid. But I told him that, “You have a guilt and it’s forgiven, so give it up. Try it, try it.” But nothing works out with him, so egoistical, so egoistical; and such a small thing he was. I mean, if he was anywhere near the Truth, I would have understood also that he thinks that he should get it or do it and all that. But nothing of the kind. He goes back and tells this Sahaja Yogi, “Oh, I think She is just a ordinary housewife, that’s all, don’t take Her seriously.” Then the Sahaja Yogi said, “Oh, really, what a business! How many people have you cured? I have seen people suffering from cancer even, cured by Her. I have seen, with my own eyes, Kundalini rising, I have seen people getting Realisation. There are so many I have seen with my own eyes. I have to disbelieve all that and believe you?” I never knew that he was that superficial. And this is his answer. But as I had told you that you can take the position when you are bothered. And when I take a position like that, that I am bothered about you, then I think that really you are still very, very ignorant. But at least see, at least ask for it, and it should be done because the creation has to be completed, it has to be fulfilled. And you have to know the meaning of your being, you have to know why God has created you and what are you. That is a must! People waste their time with this and that. There’s no time to be wasted any more I can tell you this much. In the West such a wastage of time I find. Same in the East is, they are doing what you have done before, like they are trying to build bridges and they are trying to do now underground trains. And those who have done it are now committing suicides. Between these two ends where do I stand sometimes, I start looking at My face. What should I do with these extremes that are there? So please also put your Mr. Ego outside with your shoes, so it will work out. If it does not work out, that’s not My concern, nor is My problem. It is your problem that it has not worked out. If an operation is not successful, then the doctor can be blamed because he takes money for it, but not Mataji. Not because I don’t take money, but I’m not bothered about it. I’m only bothered that you should get your realisation. But I’m not bothered if you have not got it. Can you understand that part? I will work morning till evening, evening till morning to give you realisation, but if you don’t want it, I’m not bothered, see. Neither if it does not work out, I am not bothered, it is a simple thing. This is the only difference between a mother on this earth and I, the Mother, who has to really give you the keys of your kingdom, the keys of your joy, the keys of your Truth: I have to do that. And I don’t give you by taking anything from you. This must be understood, because egoistical people immediately are on the guard. What have you got to give in Sahaja Yoga? I do not take anything from you. I give you, because I have got it with Me and you can have it, because that’s your right, so you better have it. But if you don’t want to have it, I am not going to force you. And then I play some tricks, which I must confess, because I’m not bothered. And with the tricks people disappear, reappear then disappear. So be careful on that point. This is the Principle of Brahma which is detached. The Principle of Brahma is detached, that acts and takes away the interest, the interest goes away, the attention goes away. You are not bothered about it. This Principle cannot be overcome. It is The Principle Itself. It cannot compromise, that’s the point, being absolute. Absolute things cannot compromise. For example, there are some people who may say… you see, there are some people who do say that, “Mataji says that you have to lead a dharmic life.” Indeed, you have to. I mean I cannot give realisation to Mr. Hitler if he comes to Me. There is something which cannot be compromised. You have to do something, you have to be in a position to receive it, and even if you receive it without that position, it can be worked out. It is also not the Principle that goes out of the way to demand something, no, it doesn’t. To a point only, but it won’t. But it is such a Living Principle, the beauty of Living Principle I will tell you. Which perhaps you know it but you do not know it. When the principle is dead, like say this house is built, it has got a foundation, then it is built up, then a house is brought in and then everything is done. Then once done is done. If the foundation is weak, it is weak forever, you cannot improve it. But the Living Principle is, whatever may be your foundation, it will penetrate into your foundations, into your backgrounds, into everything and can correct it completely. You just ask for it. Whatever may be your conditionings and whatever may be your guilts, whatever may be your problems, whatever sins you might have committed, whatever wrong things you might have done, the Living Principle can penetrate into it and can reform the whole thing and transform it into the fruit. You have seen it, in a tree, supposing a tree is sick, if you treat it, you completely can manifest the fruit. But if you vibrate it, then you see the whole beautiful stuff, becomes very beautiful. So, this is the Living Principle and that’s why Christ has said it, “I’m the living God.” This is the difference between the Living Principle which enlivens or awakens every part of your deadened chakras, every part of your deadened psyches. It awakens in you, it cures in you, it purifies in you, it absolutely neutralises all that is filth, dirt and ugliness, all that is called as sin. It doesn’t talk, it works out, but you have to just ask for it. Just ask the question. That’s the beauty of the Living Principle. That’s why, when people get cured with Sahaja Yoga, don’t be surprised – it’s just a by-product, it’s nothing important. Even when the mad people become alright, nothing surprising, it’s just a by-product. Because it’s a Living Principle which penetrates into everything, it breaks every bit and bit of it, cures it, makes it alright, beautiful; makes it into a flower. And that is what is promised. But then people come down for Sahaja Yoga, “Mother, I have a problem.” I said, “Then what’s the problem?” “My friend has not written any letter to me, will You help me?” Now this is sometimes, puts Me down. It’s too much. It’s alright, even that can be solved, these problems. After all, a Mother has to solve these little, little problems of Her children. But ask for the Highest, "Twamekam sharenyam, twamekam varenyam – There is nothing to be asked for but for God." Don’t ask other. The rest is all dust, is all that will finish off, is all chalayman : is coming and going, finished. Ask for the Eternal, ask for that is stable, ask for that is the Highest and the Purest. Don’t make Me come down to that. I play with you. When My child asks Me something, I have to tell him, “Alright, have it.” But when you mature you must ask for the Highest. Do not ask for a job and things. Alright, if you have a problem, it works, but you can understand now, from where to where. For today it’s al right because I’m bit too much in a Nishprayovens condition. And I was telling just now to these people, “I don’t know what I’m going to talk,” but I have taught something and if you have any questions, please ask Me. In the meanwhile, I would like some Sahaja Yogis to see these people and then we’ll go in for a meditation. I’ll have some water if there is some? Can you close that? Can you see these people now? No, just go and see one or two patients that are there. Tum logon ke hath me thanda ka aa raha kuch? Aisa rukh hath, aisa rukh. [Did you feel cool breeze? Hold your hands like this.] All of you should sit with hands like this. Better? How is he better? H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

The Principle of Brahma, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 11 September 1978. Today I want to tell you about something, perhaps I have never touched that point before. Or I have not talked about it, that elaborately. It is about The Principle of Brahma: What is the principle of Brahma? How does It exist? How is It born? How does It manifest? And how, It is detached and also attached. The Principle of Brahma is different from Brahma Itself, in description. Like the principles that I follow, is different from what I am. It’s a very subtle subject and requires real meditative attention. So, all criticism of your minds, please put them off, as you have put off your shoes. Have you put off your shoes all of you? Please. And just listen with little, little subtler attention to Me. Can you come forward! You all can come forward so that those who will be coming later can come later on. Come along forward! I think better is to come forward, because we have no mic here. It’s better to come forward here. As the principles on which you are based are different from what you are, in the same way, the Principle of Brahma is different from the Brahma Itself, but is a Brahma and is contained in the Brahma. But the Brahma itself is sustained by the Principle. In dimension, you may say that Brahma is wider, larger and, you can call it even, deeper – but the subtler is the Principle. This Principle exists with Brahma at the beginning of The Universe, of Creation. At the very beginning, it exists, but as it is an eternal play of creation, destruction, sustenance in between, and in Sanskrit they call it sthiti: ‘state of performance’, you can call it. In all these three stages, Brahma Principle changes its forms according to the container that it has. Like here the light looks like, the shade looks like of the shape of the globe that is covering it. 'Looking like' is the Maya, is the Illusion. Something that looks like something which it is not: this phenomenon is the Maya, is the Illusion. So the Principle acts, pulsates the Brahma, and in the Brahma exist all the Powers which, later on, manifest the Creation. So the Principle, which is the Divine Power, the aura of that, or the thing that it sustains is the complete Brahma and that Brahma has got three powers, namely – one of existence, second of creation, third of sustenance. The Principle is the pulsating power of the Brahma. And it is represented as Om. When we say, “Om”, this was used also in the Christian prayer as "Amen", it’s the same as Om, there’s no difference. When we say, “Om,” actually the action of this Principle is in the form of Om, like this, which is written on your forehead, if you can see it inside, in that way, here. This Principle is the, we can say, the fetus. This Principle is the fetus of the Divine Power. Then the same Principle, or you can call, the seed, then it divides into three channels and enters into the creative, sustaining and the existing power of the Brahma Tattwa and manifests in it – we haven’t got anything to write, otherwise I could show you. But it permeates, just like the rivers flow and permeate in the soil and nourish it, in the same way, this Principle of Brahma flows, permeates, pulsates and nourishes the surrounding area of Brahma. So, when the Attention, which you call as Maha Chitta, or the Attention of God, you can call it, is on this Principle, then Brahma doesn’t see it. Are you following it? When the Attention [of God Almighty] moves from the Principle, It doesn’t leave It. When the river flows, it doesn’t leave its source. When It permeates into the Brahma, It starts creating. This principle is detached, as the light or the electricity inside this globe is detached. But it permeates. It may permeate through it, it may permeate into this room but still it is detached. I wouldn’t say there could be any proper simile for Brahma because that’s an absolute stuff and an absolute cannot be compared; as they call it ‘atula’, it cannot be compared with anything. So now people think then, “What is God?” Question comes in. “Where is God? What is He? What has He got to do with Brahma and the Principle that is Brahma?” God is The Principle, He is the Attention, He is the Joy and He is the Truth. And the Brahma that surrounds Him is His power, permeated, enlightened by His existence. The same Brahma has got a capacity to get itself transformed into the creative, sustaining and the, you call it, existing or destructive powers. We can see a small little seed, how it manifests a tree. We never think – from where do the shoots come out, from where does the root comes out, what creates the flowers, what gives it the fragrance – for the seeds do not have any fragrance. But there is definitely a mechanism, which is very microscopic, inside the seed, placed there. And seed is the form where there is no movement, no manifestation, no creation. In the same way Brahma can be in seed form. So, the sustaining power within us or the creative power within us, or, what you call, the destructive power or the left-side power – which we call as the astitwa – is the existing power, all these are manifested by Principle of Brahma but by themselves they are nothing. So Sat-Chit-Ananda, the Truth, the Joy and the Attention, the nature of Brahma, which is this, is God. “Why, what is Shakti then?” The question comes in. The Shakti is the complete Brahma plus the Power of God. Like the cotyledons in the seed, the primule in the seed, the cotyledons support it. Through the cotyledons, the primule takes all the powers and creates beautiful flowers and all the beautiful fruits. The roots also are created. The food is given by cotyledons: it sustains them. Out of this, the principle that does it, the generating power, the germinating power that is in it, is the power that we call as the Shakti. But in a seed, which is a material thing, it has no awareness to do it. It’s a very subtle point, try to understand it. The seed itself cannot germinate itself. It has certain other power within it, which is placed by God that germinates it. It cannot do by itself. That power is the God in the seed and also in the ground. The germinating power is the Shakti, that power which makes it do it but the seed is not aware of it. When you reach to the human stage, you have to know that Power, and you have to be aware of that Power, and that is Self-realisation. The Power that has created you, The Power that has given you all these three powers: Ida Nadi, Pingala Nadi, all Kundalini, everything – The One which is the desire of all that. We can take a simile just to understand it. The owner of the house…I hope it will work out but, sometimes, you know how human minds are confused. Supposing the owner of the house walks into the house with his money and creates everything that he wants to do about his house. Now the master goes out, he’s not there. When you see, you see a house created, you see the power of all the workmen who have done the job, and somebody who has established everything. But you don’t know whose desire it has created. In the same way, you have seen your body being created, you even see the mind that is you have got, you can see your emotions, they are there, of course. You can also see you are a human being. You can also see you are much far away from the animals. And if you have some wisdom, you understand also you are much wiser than anything that is created so far. And also, if you have some foresight. But the power of desiring, desiring power or we can say the projecting power or the one who is the owner of all that, the owning power, I mean, I don’t know how you understand the master of the whole thing. He is the God. And then His Power of Desire – Mahakali’s power, is His Desire – then manifests everything else. His desire, He manifests. His Mahakali’s power that you see here on the left-hand side is manifested in the human being as Ida Nadi. [It] creates all the rest of the Universe and everything later on. But first is only the desire. But the One who desires is the God. In us, He is placed in our heart away from all this filth. And He just desires. We do not know Him but He knows us. We know one thing, definitely, that He knows us. There is Someone who is definitely watching us, as in the [Bhagavad] Gita, they say Kshetr Agnya, the One who is the knower of the field. The Knower of the field is there. Once you also become the knower of your field, you are Self-realised: this is Self-realisation. When people talk about Self-realisation cheaply! I’m really shocked. The way people have taken into their hands, such a revered subject and just try to mould it for making money! Just think of it! From that level to this level, it’s a bit too much! I mean, this, only human beings can do, I can tell you. Nobody can do like this but human beings. Even if they are rakshasas they know that this is Divine Power and you cannot misuse it by any chance! So this Principle works, say, in a… in the matter it works. As the electromagnetic force, you can say. But not as the electromagnetic force, it works which brings about the electromagnetic force inside that. Can you follow the point? Do you? Say, here is electricity, but the one who sends the electricity is The Person and He’s aware of it. Till you reach the stage of Self-realisation you are not aware of it, you cannot control it, you cannot work it out. It works by Itself, and that’s why the doctors call it as autonomous nervous system, and the psychologists as unconscious. After Realisation only, the whole thing becomes your own, in the sense – you change sides. So far you have been looking things from there, now you sit with Me and see the whole story. But this Principle of Brahma lives in this mood. It can be in such a mood that it has no duty at all, it has no duty, it just exists. It has no duty. It is not the duty of a owner of a house to do something about it. It is His whim: if He wants to do it, He’ll do it, otherwise He’ll live like a hermit. He has no duties. I hope you understand the meaning of “the owner,” because the human laws are funny. Whatever you may be the owner, still you can’t do many things. But if you can think of an absolute owner of this place, absolute owner… Yes, very true, you’re smiling, but in Oxted we had a freehold house [but] we couldn’t cut the tree, we couldn’t plant the tree, we couldn’t do this to the hedge, you couldn’t do that. But He is an absolute owner, absolute owner. Understand the ‘absolute’ word! Where no law, but His own laws work out. His laws operate. Nobody’s laws can reach Him. Then you may say, the question comes in, “Then how is it Mother, it is said that, ‘We are free, freedom has been given to us?” Only the freedom is so far as to choose Him: for your betterment, you are not going to better Him. You are not going to better Sahaja Yoga by coming to Sahaja Yoga, you are sadly mistaken [if you think that]. No! Sahaja Yoga has no duties. It’s a whim. It has no problems. It is standing on Its own mastery; It’s not bothered whether you come here or go away. It is nishprayojana [aimless], It is without any prayojana: cause. The cause: It is causeless; It’s not bothered. So, It has to take a form in which It has to bother. Then It creates, like a master of a house need not bother about anything. He’s the master, who’s going to criticise Him? Who is going to argue with Him? Who is going to challenge Him? Who is going to put a quota against Him? He’s the Master of everything! Absolute Master! God, means, He is not only Almighty, but He’s the Master of all that He has created. He is the master, if He wants, He will do it, otherwise He will not do it. It is His whim that He has done it. So, He’s not bothered, but then He takes a form, sometimes, of a person who wants to do something. He wants to bother, just as a whim He bothers Himself and He starts creating. And He creates. And He creates this Universe and He creates you. He creates because He wants to see it with many eyes – what He has done. So he creates His own children, grows them up, gives them eyes so that they can enjoy what He has got. He gives them their power to see. This essence of Brahma is the Ganga Tattwa: as, in the Sanskrit, He is called as the Ganga Principle. From here [Mooladhara], we have to understand that is the first principle and that is the principle of innocence. That is a principle of holiness, that is a principle of chastity within us. That is the principle by which we preserve ourself, by which we respect ourselves. That principle has been incarnated on this earth, as I have told you. He’s created as Ganesha but He’s incarnated as Jesus Christ. He’s the Brahma Tattwa. He’s detached and that’s why He could be resurrected. No other incarnation could be resurrected. He was not born, it was a conception, a desire. And that’s why He was resurrected. You all, perhaps do not know that what is difficult for God? I mean, for an Indian it is very easy to understand that Ganesha was created by Parvati, Yes! She created Him. We can never doubt it, because He’s God after all. He is an absolute personality. He can do whatever He likes. Of course, He does something that is intelligible to your mind, tries to. But if He has done something which is not intelligible to you, it should not be discarded as something mythological, or something out of the blue, not to be believed. Because if you say that, then are you the most absolute people to judge Him? Let us know that we are not, we are not, but we have to be! He wants you to be aware of Him And in this creation, when He creates, He creates Himself into a One Primordial Being. He becomes that, He assumes that position of being the One Primordial Being. And then He selects His cells which have to play an important role which are to be awakened. Now the brain cells are the ones which are aware. Have you ever thought, that – how these brain cells know? How, how come… everything…? This little boy asked Me this question, because he’s very much there, but very few people ask this question: “How there is gravity? Why this becomes red? Why that becomes green? How it has happened? Who has done it?” We take things for granted, everything for granted. That’s the only trouble with human beings, taking everything for granted. If we do not take for granted everything and just in all humility say that, “O Lord, we know very little about You, we’d like to know,” He takes you up and makes you sit in His brain, so that you become aware of the powers of His brain, of His heart, from where He loves you, where He is the ocean of compassion, you become a drop in that Ocean. And you, also, with your waves, you jump up and down and enjoy that compassion of His. Just a drop you are, but you are the Ocean. This is what explains what Kabira says. You see, these great people have described Him but it becomes absolutely ambiguous for you. The human rationality cannot explain all these things. So, your rationality has to improve onto vibratory awareness. You have to go through that level, minimum of minimum, to understand God. You cannot understand Him at this level. So don’t come out here with ideas that you are going to give something to God, no! You have to take; you cannot give anything to Him. But in your humility, if you express yourself, He likes it. The Master loves when a little child brings some flowers for him. When a little baby brings, say, flowers for the Mother, the Mother likes it. Not 'likes', but in Sanskrit there’s a word, ‘kautupa’. I don’t know, there’s no word in English for that, I am sorry. ‘Kautupa’ is the happiness, the joy that one feels when he sees this child come up, when the person sees the child returning the love in its small way. After all children are – what are they going to do, you see? Like this one, you see, one day he brought 2p for me. He says, “Grandmother, you can buy a sari with this, yes, you’d better keep it with you.” You see, he found it somewhere, he said, “I haven’t earned it, but I’ve got for you, so you can keep it and buy a sari.” Then the feelings that come into mind, there’s the kautupa. The feeling that comes within at that time in a Mother’s heart, is the kautupa, the sweetness of that, the beauty of that. You cannot understand by your dry rationality, it can make you parched, completely. It has no feelings, it has no sensitivity, nothing. O God, this ego, I tell you this so-called ego, has really parched human beings completely of all the beautiful things that have been flowing in them, all the sensitivity. And horrible books and horrible things that people have taught you have really finished all that’s beautiful that was within you. Such beautiful flowers were created with such beautiful fragrance to be emitted, have been parched completely, I feel, by this foolish ego of human beings which is so limited. It was given to you just to understand a few things but you have covered yourself completely with that mud and it’s such a difficult thing I find, such a difficult thing. Some examples can be given. A boy came to see Me, the other day, with a friend who is a very great Sahaja Yogi, I must say. He’s not here today. And he is, I would say, just to please the Sahaja Yogi I said, “All right, I’ll take him out.” Found the boy had a terrible guilt within him, because he had done something horrible, absolutely horrid. But I told him that, “You have a guilt and it’s forgiven, so give it up. Try it, try it.” But nothing works out with him, so egoistical, so egoistical; and such a small thing he was. I mean, if he was anywhere near the Truth, I would have understood also that he thinks that he should get it or do it and all that. But nothing of the kind. He goes back and tells this Sahaja Yogi, “Oh, I think She is just a ordinary housewife, that’s all, don’t take Her seriously.” Then the Sahaja Yogi said, “Oh, really, what a business! How many people have you cured? I have seen people suffering from cancer even, cured by Her. I have seen, with my own eyes, Kundalini rising, I have seen people getting Realisation. There are so many I have seen with my own eyes. I have to disbelieve all that and believe you?” I never knew that he was that superficial. And this is his answer. But as I had told you that you can take the position when you are bothered. And when I take a position like that, that I am bothered about you, then I think that really you are still very, very ignorant. But at least see, at least ask for it, and it should be done because the creation has to be completed, it has to be fulfilled. And you have to know the meaning of your being, you have to know why God has created you and what are you. That is a must! People waste their time with this and that. There’s no time to be wasted any more I can tell you this much. In the West such a wastage of time I find. Same in the East is, they are doing what you have done before, like they are trying to build bridges and they are trying to do now underground trains. And those who have done it are now committing suicides. Between these two ends where do I stand sometimes, I start looking at My face. What should I do with these extremes that are there? So please also put your Mr. Ego outside with your shoes, so it will work out. If it does not work out, that’s not My concern, nor is My problem. It is your problem that it has not worked out. If an operation is not successful, then the doctor can be blamed because he takes money for it, but not Mataji. Not because I don’t take money, but I’m not bothered about it. I’m only bothered that you should get your realisation. But I’m not bothered if you have not got it. Can you understand that part? I will work morning till evening, evening till morning to give you realisation, but if you don’t want it, I’m not bothered, see. Neither if it does not work out, I am not bothered, it is a simple thing. This is the only difference between a mother on this earth and I, the Mother, who has to really give you the keys of your kingdom, the keys of your joy, the keys of your Truth: I have to do that. And I don’t give you by taking anything from you. This must be understood, because egoistical people immediately are on the guard. What have you got to give in Sahaja Yoga? I do not take anything from you. I give you, because I have got it with Me and you can have it, because that’s your right, so you better have it. But if you don’t want to have it, I am not going to force you. And then I play some tricks, which I must confess, because I’m not bothered. And with the tricks people disappear, reappear then disappear. So be careful on that point. This is the Principle of Brahma which is detached. The Principle of Brahma is detached, that acts and takes away the interest, the interest goes away, the attention goes away. You are not bothered about it. This Principle cannot be overcome. It is The Principle Itself. It cannot compromise, that’s the point, being absolute. Absolute things cannot compromise. For example, there are some people who may say… you see, there are some people who do say that, “Mataji says that you have to lead a dharmic life.” Indeed, you have to. I mean I cannot give realisation to Mr. Hitler if he comes to Me. There is something which cannot be compromised. You have to do something, you have to be in a position to receive it, and even if you receive it without that position, it can be worked out. It is also not the Principle that goes out of the way to demand something, no, it doesn’t. To a point only, but it won’t. But it is such a Living Principle, the beauty of Living Principle I will tell you. Which perhaps you know it but you do not know it. When the principle is dead, like say this house is built, it has got a foundation, then it is built up, then a house is brought in and then everything is done. Then once done is done. If the foundation is weak, it is weak forever, you cannot improve it. But the Living Principle is, whatever may be your foundation, it will penetrate into your foundations, into your backgrounds, into everything and can correct it completely. You just ask for it. Whatever may be your conditionings and whatever may be your guilts, whatever may be your problems, whatever sins you might have committed, whatever wrong things you might have done, the Living Principle can penetrate into it and can reform the whole thing and transform it into the fruit. You have seen it, in a tree, supposing a tree is sick, if you treat it, you completely can manifest the fruit. But if you vibrate it, then you see the whole beautiful stuff, becomes very beautiful. So, this is the Living Principle and that’s why Christ has said it, “I’m the living God.” This is the difference between the Living Principle which enlivens or awakens every part of your deadened chakras, every part of your deadened psyches. It awakens in you, it cures in you, it purifies in you, it absolutely neutralises all that is filth, dirt and ugliness, all that is called as sin. It doesn’t talk, it works out, but you have to just ask for it. Just ask the question. That’s the beauty of the Living Principle. That’s why, when people get cured with Sahaja Yoga, don’t be surprised – it’s just a by-product, it’s nothing important. Even when the mad people become alright, nothing surprising, it’s just a by-product. Because it’s a Living Principle which penetrates into everything, it breaks every bit and bit of it, cures it, makes it alright, beautiful; makes it into a flower. And that is what is promised. But then people come down for Sahaja Yoga, “Mother, I have a problem.” I said, “Then what’s the problem?” “My friend has not written any letter to me, will You help me?” Now this is sometimes, puts Me down. It’s too much. It’s alright, even that can be solved, these problems. After all, a Mother has to solve these little, little problems of Her children. But ask for the Highest, "Twamekam sharenyam, twamekam varenyam – There is nothing to be asked for but for God." Don’t ask other. The rest is all dust, is all that will finish off, is all chalayman : is coming and going, finished. Ask for the Eternal, ask for that is stable, ask for that is the Highest and the Purest. Don’t make Me come down to that. I play with you. When My child asks Me something, I have to tell him, “Alright, have it.” But when you mature you must ask for the Highest. Do not ask for a job and things. Alright, if you have a problem, it works, but you can understand now, from where to where. For today it’s al right because I’m bit too much in a Nishprayovens condition. And I was telling just now to these people, “I don’t know what I’m going to talk,” but I have taught something and if you have any questions, please ask Me. In the meanwhile, I would like some Sahaja Yogis to see these people and then we’ll go in for a meditation. I’ll have some water if there is some? Can you close that? Can you see these people now? No, just go and see one or two patients that are there. Tum logon ke hath me thanda ka aa raha kuch? Aisa rukh hath, aisa rukh. [Did you feel cool breeze? Hold your hands like this.] All of you should sit with hands like this. Better? How is he better? H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

9/25/1978

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Public Program. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 25 September 1978. The vibrations are too many heavy. There’s no need to talk, but when I was telling [unclear] that your minds have the habit of talking all the time, so I have to speak to stop talking. As I was telling just now Gaby (unclear) that today most of us are here realized people and our daily people who come down and who have known a lot of Kundalini, have learnt a lot, perhaps I do not know if you realize how much you have matured, how much you really know, such a lot about Kundalini, about human beings, the chakras, about catches, and about the divine Power that is all-pervading and so subtle. All these things have come to you so suddenly, and as if you are open to it, suddenly got it, and it’s all dawned on you. So, the whole thing looks like a sudden awakening within, an awareness that has enlarged the (unclear) and you can feel everybody’s vibrations, you can feel their chakras, you can raise their Kundalini, you can give them realization. I saw people who have been never able to speak a word about anything on a platform can now speak about it because confidence has come through experience because they were just ready for it. In the sense that you are all built to that way, like suddenly we find on a tree lots of flowers appear and then suddenly one day we find lots of fruits appear. In the same way, it has happened to you, suddenly flower becomes a fruit. And the fruit is not aware that it has become a fruit and then he starts seeing that he has become a fruit and he doesn’t realize how much he has suddenly achieved as a fruit as a matured personality. It is a very spontaneous in-built process, which fulfils itself. But since some of you have been with Sahaja Yoga for quite some time and naturally, they know much more and they are much more deeply aware about many things which all of you are not. And that’s why if they are having this seminar, I hope you all take advantage of it. That will help you to do better justice to yourself and to your realization. It’s a good a chance to be there. I hope I’ll be there as many days it is possible; I will be there. Today’s subject is, which is not Kundalini so much, because I talked to you about Kundalini. But there are again new people today and it’s rather difficult to shift to another subject on which I was intending to speak to you very much and I don’t know if I should really cover it up or not. So, what should I do? Again, going through the Kundalini process, should I tell you? How many are new people can come forward, I think let’s see how many are we. Let’s count. Come forward. Those who have come for the first time, you can sit here. I will give you in very short, what is a Kundalini, what is Kundalini awakening, how it rises, how it is placed within us. Now you can see in this diagram. Now you don’t have to believe in whatever we are saying. Those who are new people, for them I am saying this because those who are not, have already experienced it. They have seen the Kundalini rising, they have seen the pulsation of the Kundalini with their own eyes, and if you want, we can show you that. But you have to keep your mind open and see for yourself. Some of you will not have experience at the first round. Most of them have it. Some of them get it and lose it because of certain problems that you have within yourself and the Kundalini tries to improve you, cure you and again She establishes. So, it is not a instant business. But it is also for people who are very innocent or who are not hurt so far by any damages or who are absolutely in a perfect health, condition, mental condition, spiritual condition. But normally you don’t have people like that. So, the Kundalini rises no doubt, but it goes back again to those places to cure them, to put it right and make it again healthy, the portions that are not yet working or have not yet started working, because it is a nourishing energy, it is a vital energy, it is all energies put together. Now, I will show you the three energies that are within us mainly. Of course, we have the fourth one, which we need not bother just now. But the three energies I am talking about which are expressed in the medical terminology as a sympathetic nervous system, left and right, and also the central system of parasympathetic nervous system. But these three systems are gross systems, which we see outside. But there is a subtle channel inside, which shows, which expresses or which manifests those gross systems that work in our body. Now the two left and right sympathetic nervous systems are manifested through the left and right channels those are shown here. Now see the left one is the one called as Ida channel. It is the subtle channel within us placed on the left-hand side of the central channel and the right side one is placed on the right hand. Now this one is called as the Pingala and the left one as called as the Ida Nadi. The central one is the one, which expresses our parasympathetic nervous system, is placed, if you see it in the brain halfway down, it’s not complete, is the parasympathetic. That is up to that point human awareness has reached. It shows that in our central nervous system only up to that point our awareness has reached. Now this is all nothing important, you don’t worry. May look little bit too much for the brain. So, you just don’t worry. It’s as simple as putting on the light. But putting on the light has a mechanism behind it, which works it out. So, it’s my everyday duty now whenever I come here to tell you about the mechanism first and then give you the experience because you see your mind won’t stop. That’s why I have to tell you about the mechanism and that’s why I’m trying to tell you the mechanism that is within us, which works out our sympathetic and parasympathetic systems. So, these three systems are absolutely in a subtle way exist inside the spinal cord. And these are three channels which are there, out of which the central one breaks through and the most of it comes down into the triangular bone and is settled down there as the germinating force or you can call the residual force is settled down there waiting for its time and chance when someone who is authorized to give you your rebirth, it rises. Now Kundalini awakening is a subject dealt with in the Vedas, even earlier than that. So you can say that thousands of years back many seers in India because see India you know is a very ancient country and people have seen this Kundalini there and they have seen how it rises and all that and they have mentioned about it. It has nothing to do with a particular country or with a particular religion of anything, it is within every human being, it is placed there. But the confusion came through by; I don’t know how people confuse things. Always they confuse, see. So they confused Kundalini with something very, very funny and they confused it with sex. And this has happened, perhaps may be, that because in the last centre, you see the red centre is there, which is placed below, below the Kundalini meaning it has nothing to, the Kundalini awakening does not have to pass through this centre, this is the centre that controls the sex. And this centre is governed by a deity, which is innocent. Which is called as the embodiment of innocence; we can call it as Ganesha in the Sanskrit language, but as we know Him, who incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. Is the same. So, this innocent deity is sitting there, because innocence doesn’t know anything about sex, it doesn’t understand. It doesn’t know what asex is. So, the confusion between the Kundalini and sex started by some people. And that was the first gravest mistake and the greatest insult to the Mother Kundalini, which is your own. Everyone has this holy Mother, the loving Mother; the Mother who has cared for you in every life, in every ascent from the time you have come on this earth; again and again in her search. It has been with you. It has recorded all your hankerings and all your askings for and all your temperaments and all your subconscious problems and everything in state into that little Kundalini that is three and a half coils. And it is just settled down there and when you come before Me or anyone of that kind then the Kundalini just rises up suddenly and shoots off and integrates into these six centres which are above and passes through your, centre of your brain here and comes up to the fontanel bone area and pierces through. Then your attention becomes one with the subtle. It is easy to understand if you understand a, say an ant. Now, ant when she crawls on this carpet, she doesn’t see the beauty. Animals as such they never see the beauty. You pass them through the dirtiest possible places they’ll just walk through. They won’t see that this is dirty or filthy, they’ll walk. But human beings are subtle. They can feel it, smell it, it’s dirty, you get the filth; you are walking through the filth. You see but there are subtler filths, which they do not feel it. And they can develop that sensitivity, insensitivity I would say later on by accumulating lots of nonsensical things by which they become insensitive to themselves; to themselves as human beings and then they do not mind all kinds of filths, getting into their being, which people call it as sin. So, this is what happens to human beings and because of this problem, because of this complication what happens when the Kundalini rises, it should rise very easily, absolutely smoothly. If your instrument is absolutely smooth and if it is absolutely in the perfect condition, the ascent or you can say the take-off is absolutely smoothest possible. It works out, it goes up and it crosses and pierces the Sahasrara. Now this has been built up in thousands of years within you. It’s not today’s job. Now when the fruit is created, you should know it has started from the seed and now it has come to the state of a fruit. Now the fruit doesn’t know how it has become a fruit. In the same way you are a human being, which is being created with very great care and with very great understanding and you have been told all the time how you should sustain yourself, you should keep on to human level, don’t go to extremes, be in the centre, be in the centre, by all great religions. But we are great you know; we have denied all that. We said we are on our own. What’s wrong in this? I mean nothing wrong; you can go and break your head against the wall. Nothing is wrong in it. You can go and take poison. Nothing wrong. What is wrong, after all? The wrong is, the purpose for which you are created. That is wrong. For example, see a vase is being created, beautifully it has been laned. Supposing it’s a glass one with a very beautiful work on it, to put it before say a [NOT CLEAR, DISTURBANCE IN THE TAPE]. I can break Myself. All right, go ahead, nothing wrong. You see it is, it is the same way we become [NOT CLEAR: a see-?]. Our ego is challenged. You say, “Oh! What’s wrong? Why should we do it? Why should we not do it?” But it is whatever is wrong, is wrong whether it is today, whether it was ten thousand years back, is wrong, is wrong and that spoils your path of ascent. So, we should understand that whatever we have accepted as good is not fundamentally good. Fundamental good is an absolute stuff and that absolute stuff you will only understand when you will reach to the area of absoluteness. The area of absoluteness can only come when you are reborn, that means there is a little stage left in between. For example, this, say this one is a recording instrument and it is not put to the main switches and it is not recording. Now what’s wrong? Nothing, it is not recording, that’s all. All the care and all the effort we have put into this, making of this one is useless; that’s all it is. I think nothing wrong. You see that way relatively if you see it is nothing wrong. But it has lost its power to be what it is. So that is what you have to be yourself. That’s why this special instrument very delicately was prepared, given you and has been kept there and the sustenance of it has been told to you, has been asked that you should keep to the centre, a certain amount of auspiciousness is to be kept and a certain amount of understanding of your being and its respect must be kept. If you have not kept it then what have you done is, you have destroyed yourself. Then on top of that you are a seeker also. Here what’s wrong when you are a seeker? Now a seeker must know that there might be some mistakes in your seeking or may be that you are not yet equipped and if that is so a seeker should never feel hurt if he is told that, “This has to be done, my child, this has to be corrected.” It is necessary; it is necessary which is to be done. All the time whenever great incarnations came on this earth, they told it very frankly, they had to tell because people would not listen. You see, they had to tell that this is it, this is it, don’t do like this. Like Christ said, “Not I talked of adultery but of your adulterous eyes”. Now tell Me in this London how many people are without adulterous eyes. This is Christ had said! How many of us have adulterous eyes and how many do not have? How many have that innocent look on their eyes? Children who are even twelve and thirteen years of age! Thanks to our great creations of our books and BBCs and the human endeavours to make us very interesting and entertaining, what we have done, is ruined our basic concepts. Now, “What’s wrong!” is the point, is that it is all wrong. For example, I say now grafting is going on everywhere. Everybody is breaking everybody’s neck and the big, these five six cars are going together and everybody dying once and all, why do it? What is the need? What is the need to have such a thing? I mean it is simple for a Mother, she will say what is the need to have this magnet, what is the need? To break your necks, why? People like to see some people die or what is the thing in this sinister happiness within us that you want somebody to die, something to happen? Is it so? Are we that bad? Are human beings that bad? They cannot, they are created by God in love. Newspaper people, you go and tell them that you see there is something good happening. They say, “No, we are not interested in.” If there’s any war, was there somebody killed, in your India how many people died of drowning, let us know that. But if something going good, they don’t want to tell that. Nothing to do with us. Then they say there is no joy in life. I mean you are bent upon killing your joy, every moment it is there. So, we have to understand today why the Kundalini doesn’t rise in some people and why it falls off and what things happen. But it’s a very large subject. I have talked about it many a times. But today I want to tell you about a few things, which I have not yet talked so, so much in detail especially for the Sahaja Yogis who are realized people. So, I think the new people have understood the little bit I have told you in short about, about the Kundalini. If you have any questions, you first ask me. Then we try to give realization and then I have to tell them about some points, which I have not yet covered. It’s all right? Because it’s a combined talk, you see. We have here one year old children and also we have got here one-day old children and there are some who are not yet born. You see if you put all types of children in one God and if the mother has to look after them, some in bottles and some in absolutely complete care and some are grown-ups, it’s very difficult. But then what we can do is to ask the grown-up children to help a little bit, to give the others a little help to come up and once they come up then these people also grow up and that’s how the, we can say the whole group increases by which more people can come inside. So it is nice. But I have seen many people come, more people come down but they do not understand the seriousness of the whole thing. Some of them are, some of them do get into realization and some of them get it and then they feel very happy and go home and say, “Oh! I’ve got it now, finished. Take Mataji’s photograph, I can manage on my own.” You cannot. This is another condition of this thing. Once you get realization you cannot manage on your own, you sit down at home, work on My photograph all that. But you have to come to the collectivity. Because now the time has come to work on a collective being like a complete body is needed, you have to have a hair, you have to have a heart, you have to have a liver, you have to have everything. You cannot just live as one finger somewhere and another finger somewhere. The work of this emancipation is tremendous, for that we have to have collectivity. And that’s why you have to come to collective exposure. You all should expose yourself more and more and those who have followed it up only have matured. Those who have not are still dwarfs. The other day I happened to meet somebody who has been to My programs and she was praising Me a lot, she said Mother you gave us something and this and that. But I was surprised at her. She has developed no sensitivity much, neither she has done too much about it and five years she’s done nothing. Another example I can give you that some people go to absolutely wrong type of gurus and fake type of people and get stuck up there also. Now when they are told that you are stuck up, instantly they feel very hurt because as if the gurus have paid them, they have not paid the gurus. So, it’s very difficult to talk about their guru because the gurus have a sort of, you see grabbed them. You cannot tell them that this is wrong with you and that’s why it’s happening. So sometimes of course they realize. We had a very good example of that I will tell you, is a man. He was a justice of a high court in India, he came to Me. And as being a justice, you see, all the people, these gurus are more interested in the justices and the ministers and all the rich people, you see they grab those people, because their main interest is this, to have more power, to have more money, to have, you see, all these material things. So, they stick on to these people. So, this fellow when he came to My program and at the first shot, he got his realization in a very wonderful way and I felt it, his realization. Because he felt some two ice balls just came and fell upon his hands and he started melting and I felt the thing that way about it. And it went into him and he completely got drenched into it. But when I went to his house and I could see within him also, you see even if there is light, that doesn’t mean there are no shortcomings in this room. You can see all the roots and more, with the light you can see much more. So, because he was a powerful man, he got a good light no doubt. But I went to his house and I saw all these horrible gurus’ photographs. So I told him, “Sir, will you please throw them away in the sea?” He said, “Mother! What are you saying?” I said, “You just see the vibrations, how terrible they are!” He would not listen to Me. He would not listen because he was a justice. So, I didn’t know how to handle and tell him. But I told him. Whenever I went to India, he made it a point to come and see Me and meet Me and do all kinds of things. But you see he was, I would say still he was not concerned about himself; you see. If he was, he would have disciplined, felt some heat. But he would not. And I told him that these are all fake ones and gradually one by one they started showing their colours. And somebody was found smuggling watches to India, so his photograph he threw away. We found another person having lots of girlfriends or another one having lots of money from others and all those. Because he was a justice so he was getting these cases so they started dropping one by one, one by one like that. Still, he stuck on to one or two. But I was amazed at his detachment the way he was that he is, in his vibrations, I could not find any defect as such. He used to receive My vibrations tremendously and he loved Me very much also. But I was always worried that these people at this time when he will be a little bit unaware, then they will crack and they will definitely pester him. Of this, I was very sure. And it has happened. I always wrote letters to people in India when they wrote about him that how surprising that he is following this guru and that guru, “Despite Your warnings.” Still, he is all right, his vibrations are all right. I simply warn one day he is a strong fellow, but a day will come when it will crack. And now that has happened and he landed up himself into a cancer hospital. Normally after realization no one gets cancer. Cannot. It’s impossible. Now there is another case is, there is a lady whom I know, she stayed in England. She is here. She is an Indian lady. Her husband was My professor in the medical college where I was with him and he remembers Me very clearly and I met them suddenly here. He has heard about meMe because I addressed there also, medical institutions in India. So he was telling me, he would like to see this and all that. His wife came in. I tried to give her realization, many a times I tried, it failed. So I asked, “Who is your guru?” Then she said, “This man is my guru and he is great and he is like this and he is a great personality”. I saw this fellow had nothing, he was not realized soul, now how to convince her? I said, “He is not a realized soul, believe me, he is not realized soul, how can you call him a guru?” She said, “No, but he was a great man, he was a great man.” I said, “But, how? You must get realization.” You see even a person on the street could be a realized soul, maybe a person who is a priest may not be. If you are not the realized soul you are not. Whether you are this or that makes no difference. This is not outside, this is inside. She would not believe. She said, “No, no, Mother, I have great faith in him, he was this and that, you give me realization, this thing that thing.” So I told her, “Now please listen to Me. You give up this guru and this thing.” She said “All right, whatever you say I will keep it out, I will not remember him.” I gave her realization. All right, she got her realization. But you see the grip is so great of these gurus, she picked back all his books and started reading them every morning and evening and all the nonsense he had told her. So here she is and if you are in a wrong then the void, that is shown there, gets caught. This void gets caught. You can see it. You can see the Kundalini just doing like this, there are people who have got the void problem here. You can ask them where they have had this. The Kundalini shows all pumping inside all around void. You can see with your own eyes, absolutely. Absolutely this you can see yourself and then believe. And then it happened like that. So you see, I told her, “Still why your void is catching, there is something wrong with you.” She said, “No, no, Mother, it’s all right, I am getting the vibrations, all right.” I said, “But don’t deceive yourself, there’s a void catch.” Now can you believe it, what happened to her? She got cancer and cancer where the peritoneum, now see the peritoneum that covers the stomach, is all completely engulfing. Now there is no way of entering into the peritoneum, you cannot touch it because it is a closed shell. Now she is in the hospital. And now she has put My photograph and she has confessed to Me that, “This is what I have been following.” Now I said, “Now look at this”. So headache for Me, morning till evening to cure these cancer patients? Now I come on this earth to cure these cancer patients? Morning till evening these people don’t want to do anything that I tell them and then they get cancer. Now that cancer grows from her stomach to her lungs. So, she’s come in. What a headache! You ask these people they go. Now she is so anxious. She is willing to come to My house, she is willing to do anything, she will throw away the photographs, now she is beating the guru with her shoes and all. But why make Me so miserable? Even after getting realization, getting these vibrations also, people are not deep enough. They do not pay attention to themselves as they should, they do not go deep into themselves, they do not work it out and then they come and ask Me the question, “Mother, why is it he is giving realization to so many people, how is it she is working out you well and why here?” Now you go and ask the person what he is doing about it. So, it is not only that you come here to solve your problems. You, Sahaja Yoga and Me for your problems, but you allow Me to use you to solve your problems at all. If you are going to help Me that, then we keep the contract meaned. But if you are just come, “Mother, my fiancé is in trouble like he wants me to, see, marry him. I can’t marry. Can You arrange oury marriage?” I do that also, one can say! I’ll very well! (Laughs.) Haha, all kinds of things they come with. You don’t know if you listen to them, I don’t know what to say. And all kinds of things they come in, problems. All right, I’ll do. You see, it is said in the Gita that whatever you tell Me, I will do. Ask for the best, ask for the highest. Why are you asking for all these nonsensical things? “You know my boss is angry with me. He troubles me and I am not, Mother, [UNCLEAR will be] pacified.” All right! I’ll tell you how to do that. But He said something important. How many bosses you have had? How many marriages you have had? How many children you have had? How many lives you have had? All problems! Why not take the best? And then, when I do not do, you see, people feel, “She is not allowed to answer such non-sensical problems. It’s nothing important!” Then they say, “Mother, Sheela is not feeling.” “All right. What is it?” “My vibrations are (inaudible).” Why should I do? Why should I repair a tape recorder which is not going to work? It’s a simple thing. Isn’t it ?. After all, I must be ever to use it. Otherwise, why should I? I mean, a very selfish point of you I’m giving you, a very simple thing. God also solves your problems. He looks after you. He wants to do it for you. But He wants that you should ask for that great joy which He is anxious to. He wants you to develop that magic. See, even a human father who has a child. Now a child asks for a chocolate, he gives him, but then he says, “It’s not good for your teeth, my child.” Then he tries to develop his awareness, he tries to teach him how to appreciate better things, higher, what’s for life is higher. Isn’t it, that’s the father. In the same way, your Father wants you to have which is higher. So, ask for that higher things and aspire for it and be that. But it is very funny. It is very funny; people do not ask for that. Now what you (inaudible), what you got, gets out. Just it. It’s one thing you must understand. Despite all [UNCLEAR that, He appreciates you, all Itself ]manifestation. You are with Him. He has created you just to feel Him and to enjoy, that [UNCLEAR] is fllowing from His Being. And that is within you. He doesn’t want you to waste your time in nonsensical things but come to ascend it and enjoy that beauty, that beauty, that beauty. That’s what He wants. What does a Father wants from His child? I mean a sensible One. I don’t know the materialistic type. But I know the real One. What does He want? [UNCLEAR That all His children be chosen.]

Public Program. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 25 September 1978. The vibrations are too many heavy. There’s no need to talk, but when I was telling [unclear] that your minds have the habit of talking all the time, so I have to speak to stop talking. As I was telling just now Gaby (unclear) that today most of us are here realized people and our daily people who come down and who have known a lot of Kundalini, have learnt a lot, perhaps I do not know if you realize how much you have matured, how much you really know, such a lot about Kundalini, about human beings, the chakras, about catches, and about the divine Power that is all-pervading and so subtle. All these things have come to you so suddenly, and as if you are open to it, suddenly got it, and it’s all dawned on you. So, the whole thing looks like a sudden awakening within, an awareness that has enlarged the (unclear) and you can feel everybody’s vibrations, you can feel their chakras, you can raise their Kundalini, you can give them realization. I saw people who have been never able to speak a word about anything on a platform can now speak about it because confidence has come through experience because they were just ready for it. In the sense that you are all built to that way, like suddenly we find on a tree lots of flowers appear and then suddenly one day we find lots of fruits appear. In the same way, it has happened to you, suddenly flower becomes a fruit. And the fruit is not aware that it has become a fruit and then he starts seeing that he has become a fruit and he doesn’t realize how much he has suddenly achieved as a fruit as a matured personality. It is a very spontaneous in-built process, which fulfils itself. But since some of you have been with Sahaja Yoga for quite some time and naturally, they know much more and they are much more deeply aware about many things which all of you are not. And that’s why if they are having this seminar, I hope you all take advantage of it. That will help you to do better justice to yourself and to your realization. It’s a good a chance to be there. I hope I’ll be there as many days it is possible; I will be there. Today’s subject is, which is not Kundalini so much, because I talked to you about Kundalini. But there are again new people today and it’s rather difficult to shift to another subject on which I was intending to speak to you very much and I don’t know if I should really cover it up or not. So, what should I do? Again, going through the Kundalini process, should I tell you? How many are new people can come forward, I think let’s see how many are we. Let’s count. Come forward. Those who have come for the first time, you can sit here. I will give you in very short, what is a Kundalini, what is Kundalini awakening, how it rises, how it is placed within us. Now you can see in this diagram. Now you don’t have to believe in whatever we are saying. Those who are new people, for them I am saying this because those who are not, have already experienced it. They have seen the Kundalini rising, they have seen the pulsation of the Kundalini with their own eyes, and if you want, we can show you that. But you have to keep your mind open and see for yourself. Some of you will not have experience at the first round. Most of them have it. Some of them get it and lose it because of certain problems that you have within yourself and the Kundalini tries to improve you, cure you and again She establishes. So, it is not a instant business. But it is also for people who are very innocent or who are not hurt so far by any damages or who are absolutely in a perfect health, condition, mental condition, spiritual condition. But normally you don’t have people like that. So, the Kundalini rises no doubt, but it goes back again to those places to cure them, to put it right and make it again healthy, the portions that are not yet working or have not yet started working, because it is a nourishing energy, it is a vital energy, it is all energies put together. Now, I will show you the three energies that are within us mainly. Of course, we have the fourth one, which we need not bother just now. But the three energies I am talking about which are expressed in the medical terminology as a sympathetic nervous system, left and right, and also the central system of parasympathetic nervous system. But these three systems are gross systems, which we see outside. But there is a subtle channel inside, which shows, which expresses or which manifests those gross systems that work in our body. Now the two left and right sympathetic nervous systems are manifested through the left and right channels those are shown here. Now see the left one is the one called as Ida channel. It is the subtle channel within us placed on the left-hand side of the central channel and the right side one is placed on the right hand. Now this one is called as the Pingala and the left one as called as the Ida Nadi. The central one is the one, which expresses our parasympathetic nervous system, is placed, if you see it in the brain halfway down, it’s not complete, is the parasympathetic. That is up to that point human awareness has reached. It shows that in our central nervous system only up to that point our awareness has reached. Now this is all nothing important, you don’t worry. May look little bit too much for the brain. So, you just don’t worry. It’s as simple as putting on the light. But putting on the light has a mechanism behind it, which works it out. So, it’s my everyday duty now whenever I come here to tell you about the mechanism first and then give you the experience because you see your mind won’t stop. That’s why I have to tell you about the mechanism and that’s why I’m trying to tell you the mechanism that is within us, which works out our sympathetic and parasympathetic systems. So, these three systems are absolutely in a subtle way exist inside the spinal cord. And these are three channels which are there, out of which the central one breaks through and the most of it comes down into the triangular bone and is settled down there as the germinating force or you can call the residual force is settled down there waiting for its time and chance when someone who is authorized to give you your rebirth, it rises. Now Kundalini awakening is a subject dealt with in the Vedas, even earlier than that. So you can say that thousands of years back many seers in India because see India you know is a very ancient country and people have seen this Kundalini there and they have seen how it rises and all that and they have mentioned about it. It has nothing to do with a particular country or with a particular religion of anything, it is within every human being, it is placed there. But the confusion came through by; I don’t know how people confuse things. Always they confuse, see. So they confused Kundalini with something very, very funny and they confused it with sex. And this has happened, perhaps may be, that because in the last centre, you see the red centre is there, which is placed below, below the Kundalini meaning it has nothing to, the Kundalini awakening does not have to pass through this centre, this is the centre that controls the sex. And this centre is governed by a deity, which is innocent. Which is called as the embodiment of innocence; we can call it as Ganesha in the Sanskrit language, but as we know Him, who incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. Is the same. So, this innocent deity is sitting there, because innocence doesn’t know anything about sex, it doesn’t understand. It doesn’t know what asex is. So, the confusion between the Kundalini and sex started by some people. And that was the first gravest mistake and the greatest insult to the Mother Kundalini, which is your own. Everyone has this holy Mother, the loving Mother; the Mother who has cared for you in every life, in every ascent from the time you have come on this earth; again and again in her search. It has been with you. It has recorded all your hankerings and all your askings for and all your temperaments and all your subconscious problems and everything in state into that little Kundalini that is three and a half coils. And it is just settled down there and when you come before Me or anyone of that kind then the Kundalini just rises up suddenly and shoots off and integrates into these six centres which are above and passes through your, centre of your brain here and comes up to the fontanel bone area and pierces through. Then your attention becomes one with the subtle. It is easy to understand if you understand a, say an ant. Now, ant when she crawls on this carpet, she doesn’t see the beauty. Animals as such they never see the beauty. You pass them through the dirtiest possible places they’ll just walk through. They won’t see that this is dirty or filthy, they’ll walk. But human beings are subtle. They can feel it, smell it, it’s dirty, you get the filth; you are walking through the filth. You see but there are subtler filths, which they do not feel it. And they can develop that sensitivity, insensitivity I would say later on by accumulating lots of nonsensical things by which they become insensitive to themselves; to themselves as human beings and then they do not mind all kinds of filths, getting into their being, which people call it as sin. So, this is what happens to human beings and because of this problem, because of this complication what happens when the Kundalini rises, it should rise very easily, absolutely smoothly. If your instrument is absolutely smooth and if it is absolutely in the perfect condition, the ascent or you can say the take-off is absolutely smoothest possible. It works out, it goes up and it crosses and pierces the Sahasrara. Now this has been built up in thousands of years within you. It’s not today’s job. Now when the fruit is created, you should know it has started from the seed and now it has come to the state of a fruit. Now the fruit doesn’t know how it has become a fruit. In the same way you are a human being, which is being created with very great care and with very great understanding and you have been told all the time how you should sustain yourself, you should keep on to human level, don’t go to extremes, be in the centre, be in the centre, by all great religions. But we are great you know; we have denied all that. We said we are on our own. What’s wrong in this? I mean nothing wrong; you can go and break your head against the wall. Nothing is wrong in it. You can go and take poison. Nothing wrong. What is wrong, after all? The wrong is, the purpose for which you are created. That is wrong. For example, see a vase is being created, beautifully it has been laned. Supposing it’s a glass one with a very beautiful work on it, to put it before say a [NOT CLEAR, DISTURBANCE IN THE TAPE]. I can break Myself. All right, go ahead, nothing wrong. You see it is, it is the same way we become [NOT CLEAR: a see-?]. Our ego is challenged. You say, “Oh! What’s wrong? Why should we do it? Why should we not do it?” But it is whatever is wrong, is wrong whether it is today, whether it was ten thousand years back, is wrong, is wrong and that spoils your path of ascent. So, we should understand that whatever we have accepted as good is not fundamentally good. Fundamental good is an absolute stuff and that absolute stuff you will only understand when you will reach to the area of absoluteness. The area of absoluteness can only come when you are reborn, that means there is a little stage left in between. For example, this, say this one is a recording instrument and it is not put to the main switches and it is not recording. Now what’s wrong? Nothing, it is not recording, that’s all. All the care and all the effort we have put into this, making of this one is useless; that’s all it is. I think nothing wrong. You see that way relatively if you see it is nothing wrong. But it has lost its power to be what it is. So that is what you have to be yourself. That’s why this special instrument very delicately was prepared, given you and has been kept there and the sustenance of it has been told to you, has been asked that you should keep to the centre, a certain amount of auspiciousness is to be kept and a certain amount of understanding of your being and its respect must be kept. If you have not kept it then what have you done is, you have destroyed yourself. Then on top of that you are a seeker also. Here what’s wrong when you are a seeker? Now a seeker must know that there might be some mistakes in your seeking or may be that you are not yet equipped and if that is so a seeker should never feel hurt if he is told that, “This has to be done, my child, this has to be corrected.” It is necessary; it is necessary which is to be done. All the time whenever great incarnations came on this earth, they told it very frankly, they had to tell because people would not listen. You see, they had to tell that this is it, this is it, don’t do like this. Like Christ said, “Not I talked of adultery but of your adulterous eyes”. Now tell Me in this London how many people are without adulterous eyes. This is Christ had said! How many of us have adulterous eyes and how many do not have? How many have that innocent look on their eyes? Children who are even twelve and thirteen years of age! Thanks to our great creations of our books and BBCs and the human endeavours to make us very interesting and entertaining, what we have done, is ruined our basic concepts. Now, “What’s wrong!” is the point, is that it is all wrong. For example, I say now grafting is going on everywhere. Everybody is breaking everybody’s neck and the big, these five six cars are going together and everybody dying once and all, why do it? What is the need? What is the need to have such a thing? I mean it is simple for a Mother, she will say what is the need to have this magnet, what is the need? To break your necks, why? People like to see some people die or what is the thing in this sinister happiness within us that you want somebody to die, something to happen? Is it so? Are we that bad? Are human beings that bad? They cannot, they are created by God in love. Newspaper people, you go and tell them that you see there is something good happening. They say, “No, we are not interested in.” If there’s any war, was there somebody killed, in your India how many people died of drowning, let us know that. But if something going good, they don’t want to tell that. Nothing to do with us. Then they say there is no joy in life. I mean you are bent upon killing your joy, every moment it is there. So, we have to understand today why the Kundalini doesn’t rise in some people and why it falls off and what things happen. But it’s a very large subject. I have talked about it many a times. But today I want to tell you about a few things, which I have not yet talked so, so much in detail especially for the Sahaja Yogis who are realized people. So, I think the new people have understood the little bit I have told you in short about, about the Kundalini. If you have any questions, you first ask me. Then we try to give realization and then I have to tell them about some points, which I have not yet covered. It’s all right? Because it’s a combined talk, you see. We have here one year old children and also we have got here one-day old children and there are some who are not yet born. You see if you put all types of children in one God and if the mother has to look after them, some in bottles and some in absolutely complete care and some are grown-ups, it’s very difficult. But then what we can do is to ask the grown-up children to help a little bit, to give the others a little help to come up and once they come up then these people also grow up and that’s how the, we can say the whole group increases by which more people can come inside. So it is nice. But I have seen many people come, more people come down but they do not understand the seriousness of the whole thing. Some of them are, some of them do get into realization and some of them get it and then they feel very happy and go home and say, “Oh! I’ve got it now, finished. Take Mataji’s photograph, I can manage on my own.” You cannot. This is another condition of this thing. Once you get realization you cannot manage on your own, you sit down at home, work on My photograph all that. But you have to come to the collectivity. Because now the time has come to work on a collective being like a complete body is needed, you have to have a hair, you have to have a heart, you have to have a liver, you have to have everything. You cannot just live as one finger somewhere and another finger somewhere. The work of this emancipation is tremendous, for that we have to have collectivity. And that’s why you have to come to collective exposure. You all should expose yourself more and more and those who have followed it up only have matured. Those who have not are still dwarfs. The other day I happened to meet somebody who has been to My programs and she was praising Me a lot, she said Mother you gave us something and this and that. But I was surprised at her. She has developed no sensitivity much, neither she has done too much about it and five years she’s done nothing. Another example I can give you that some people go to absolutely wrong type of gurus and fake type of people and get stuck up there also. Now when they are told that you are stuck up, instantly they feel very hurt because as if the gurus have paid them, they have not paid the gurus. So, it’s very difficult to talk about their guru because the gurus have a sort of, you see grabbed them. You cannot tell them that this is wrong with you and that’s why it’s happening. So sometimes of course they realize. We had a very good example of that I will tell you, is a man. He was a justice of a high court in India, he came to Me. And as being a justice, you see, all the people, these gurus are more interested in the justices and the ministers and all the rich people, you see they grab those people, because their main interest is this, to have more power, to have more money, to have, you see, all these material things. So, they stick on to these people. So, this fellow when he came to My program and at the first shot, he got his realization in a very wonderful way and I felt it, his realization. Because he felt some two ice balls just came and fell upon his hands and he started melting and I felt the thing that way about it. And it went into him and he completely got drenched into it. But when I went to his house and I could see within him also, you see even if there is light, that doesn’t mean there are no shortcomings in this room. You can see all the roots and more, with the light you can see much more. So, because he was a powerful man, he got a good light no doubt. But I went to his house and I saw all these horrible gurus’ photographs. So I told him, “Sir, will you please throw them away in the sea?” He said, “Mother! What are you saying?” I said, “You just see the vibrations, how terrible they are!” He would not listen to Me. He would not listen because he was a justice. So, I didn’t know how to handle and tell him. But I told him. Whenever I went to India, he made it a point to come and see Me and meet Me and do all kinds of things. But you see he was, I would say still he was not concerned about himself; you see. If he was, he would have disciplined, felt some heat. But he would not. And I told him that these are all fake ones and gradually one by one they started showing their colours. And somebody was found smuggling watches to India, so his photograph he threw away. We found another person having lots of girlfriends or another one having lots of money from others and all those. Because he was a justice so he was getting these cases so they started dropping one by one, one by one like that. Still, he stuck on to one or two. But I was amazed at his detachment the way he was that he is, in his vibrations, I could not find any defect as such. He used to receive My vibrations tremendously and he loved Me very much also. But I was always worried that these people at this time when he will be a little bit unaware, then they will crack and they will definitely pester him. Of this, I was very sure. And it has happened. I always wrote letters to people in India when they wrote about him that how surprising that he is following this guru and that guru, “Despite Your warnings.” Still, he is all right, his vibrations are all right. I simply warn one day he is a strong fellow, but a day will come when it will crack. And now that has happened and he landed up himself into a cancer hospital. Normally after realization no one gets cancer. Cannot. It’s impossible. Now there is another case is, there is a lady whom I know, she stayed in England. She is here. She is an Indian lady. Her husband was My professor in the medical college where I was with him and he remembers Me very clearly and I met them suddenly here. He has heard about meMe because I addressed there also, medical institutions in India. So he was telling me, he would like to see this and all that. His wife came in. I tried to give her realization, many a times I tried, it failed. So I asked, “Who is your guru?” Then she said, “This man is my guru and he is great and he is like this and he is a great personality”. I saw this fellow had nothing, he was not realized soul, now how to convince her? I said, “He is not a realized soul, believe me, he is not realized soul, how can you call him a guru?” She said, “No, but he was a great man, he was a great man.” I said, “But, how? You must get realization.” You see even a person on the street could be a realized soul, maybe a person who is a priest may not be. If you are not the realized soul you are not. Whether you are this or that makes no difference. This is not outside, this is inside. She would not believe. She said, “No, no, Mother, I have great faith in him, he was this and that, you give me realization, this thing that thing.” So I told her, “Now please listen to Me. You give up this guru and this thing.” She said “All right, whatever you say I will keep it out, I will not remember him.” I gave her realization. All right, she got her realization. But you see the grip is so great of these gurus, she picked back all his books and started reading them every morning and evening and all the nonsense he had told her. So here she is and if you are in a wrong then the void, that is shown there, gets caught. This void gets caught. You can see it. You can see the Kundalini just doing like this, there are people who have got the void problem here. You can ask them where they have had this. The Kundalini shows all pumping inside all around void. You can see with your own eyes, absolutely. Absolutely this you can see yourself and then believe. And then it happened like that. So you see, I told her, “Still why your void is catching, there is something wrong with you.” She said, “No, no, Mother, it’s all right, I am getting the vibrations, all right.” I said, “But don’t deceive yourself, there’s a void catch.” Now can you believe it, what happened to her? She got cancer and cancer where the peritoneum, now see the peritoneum that covers the stomach, is all completely engulfing. Now there is no way of entering into the peritoneum, you cannot touch it because it is a closed shell. Now she is in the hospital. And now she has put My photograph and she has confessed to Me that, “This is what I have been following.” Now I said, “Now look at this”. So headache for Me, morning till evening to cure these cancer patients? Now I come on this earth to cure these cancer patients? Morning till evening these people don’t want to do anything that I tell them and then they get cancer. Now that cancer grows from her stomach to her lungs. So, she’s come in. What a headache! You ask these people they go. Now she is so anxious. She is willing to come to My house, she is willing to do anything, she will throw away the photographs, now she is beating the guru with her shoes and all. But why make Me so miserable? Even after getting realization, getting these vibrations also, people are not deep enough. They do not pay attention to themselves as they should, they do not go deep into themselves, they do not work it out and then they come and ask Me the question, “Mother, why is it he is giving realization to so many people, how is it she is working out you well and why here?” Now you go and ask the person what he is doing about it. So, it is not only that you come here to solve your problems. You, Sahaja Yoga and Me for your problems, but you allow Me to use you to solve your problems at all. If you are going to help Me that, then we keep the contract meaned. But if you are just come, “Mother, my fiancé is in trouble like he wants me to, see, marry him. I can’t marry. Can You arrange oury marriage?” I do that also, one can say! I’ll very well! (Laughs.) Haha, all kinds of things they come with. You don’t know if you listen to them, I don’t know what to say. And all kinds of things they come in, problems. All right, I’ll do. You see, it is said in the Gita that whatever you tell Me, I will do. Ask for the best, ask for the highest. Why are you asking for all these nonsensical things? “You know my boss is angry with me. He troubles me and I am not, Mother, [UNCLEAR will be] pacified.” All right! I’ll tell you how to do that. But He said something important. How many bosses you have had? How many marriages you have had? How many children you have had? How many lives you have had? All problems! Why not take the best? And then, when I do not do, you see, people feel, “She is not allowed to answer such non-sensical problems. It’s nothing important!” Then they say, “Mother, Sheela is not feeling.” “All right. What is it?” “My vibrations are (inaudible).” Why should I do? Why should I repair a tape recorder which is not going to work? It’s a simple thing. Isn’t it ?. After all, I must be ever to use it. Otherwise, why should I? I mean, a very selfish point of you I’m giving you, a very simple thing. God also solves your problems. He looks after you. He wants to do it for you. But He wants that you should ask for that great joy which He is anxious to. He wants you to develop that magic. See, even a human father who has a child. Now a child asks for a chocolate, he gives him, but then he says, “It’s not good for your teeth, my child.” Then he tries to develop his awareness, he tries to teach him how to appreciate better things, higher, what’s for life is higher. Isn’t it, that’s the father. In the same way, your Father wants you to have which is higher. So, ask for that higher things and aspire for it and be that. But it is very funny. It is very funny; people do not ask for that. Now what you (inaudible), what you got, gets out. Just it. It’s one thing you must understand. Despite all [UNCLEAR that, He appreciates you, all Itself ]manifestation. You are with Him. He has created you just to feel Him and to enjoy, that [UNCLEAR] is fllowing from His Being. And that is within you. He doesn’t want you to waste your time in nonsensical things but come to ascend it and enjoy that beauty, that beauty, that beauty. That’s what He wants. What does a Father wants from His child? I mean a sensible One. I don’t know the materialistic type. But I know the real One. What does He want? [UNCLEAR That all His children be chosen.]

10/2/1978

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Knots On The Three Channels

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“Knots on the Three Channels,” public programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 2 October 1978. [The Principle] of Brahma is there, is the principle of that pulsating part, that power within us, which we have to feel, and which pulsates in everything. It happens with Sahaja Yoga, no doubt, that the Kundalini rises, but that is not the end of it, because [the] human being is the instrument in which this light is manifested. But once it is manifested it is not necessary that it would be all the time burning properly. There is a possibility, mostly it is a possibility, that the light can go out. If a wind upside is against it, then it can go out. It can also subside a little bit. It may come out it may flicker, it may dwindle a little bit. Because human beings, as they are, they have got into three complications. As soon as they become human beings these three complications start in them. And because of three, these three complications, one has to know that if you have to get out of that you have to break certain knots — they are called as granthis in the Sanskrit language — which are giving you this falsehood — is the vitathat (वितथता —falsehood). Falsehood that we think that, “In this world, after all everything is science, and everything is what we see and everything beyond…” And all those sorts of things are really false because, unless and until you rise into Reality, you believe in them: After all what is God? And what is all this talk of religion? What is the talk of Christ? And what is the talk of all these things? So all these problems become sort of identified with you. Absolutely you believe in the falsehood all the time. You are more concerned about the falsehood than about the truth. Even if you are concerned about the truth, when you are born with the seeker’s mind, then you try to seek and you try to think of something that is beyond, you try to understand that there must be something beyond and something must happen. But still, you are bound by these three complications in life, by which we accept the world as it is. Because we do not know the Reality. The problem is we do not know the Reality. Till we come inside the Reality, we really do not know even what is Reality, what is the basic substance of our being, how do we live, what is the subtle being, how do we live and what is our aim, what we have to fulfil — all these questions are very vague in our mind. Then we start seeking here and there, we go round here and there and try to find out. We talk to people, we read books and especially we go to books which are philosophical and try to find out about what must be done about Reality. Why are we drawn towards this? Why are we not happy? Why do we feel dissatisfied in life? Why do we all the time hanker after sometimes, something and we do not feel fulfilled within ourselves and, why don’t we understand the meaning of our own being? Why are we driven like this? All these questions come to us…please come in! All these questions come to us and we start seeking about it. And actually our priorities, before we get into it, are so false because we do not know Reality. So I mean, it’s not your fault, itself, if you do not know Reality, and then naturally…For example, [for] somebody, to catch the train itself is very important, then to go in time is very important, then to get some money is important and to get to a house is important, and then to have some children is important. All these things become very much more important than they should be. While the main thing, that is to seek within yourself [is neglected]: the point of what are we to seek and what is so important about it, that every scripture has talked about this, that you must seek within yourself, you must find out yourself who you are. What is the reason? Why all of them have been so much stressing? So until you enter into it you will not know. It is such a vicious circle, because of these three complications I was telling you about. Because if, as it is described, that your Spirit is absolutely a detached personality, it’s a detached being; it is not contaminated by anything. It is absolutely complete by itself. It is joy, it is bliss, it is the truth. And where are we then? Why are we in such a mood that we have something very important for us in our life, very special for us? We think that, “Oh, this must be done. I must get myself insured! I must do these things.” Then why, if that Spirit is such a powerful thing, then what is the complication? What are the complications we have and how do we get rid of these complications? Through your evolution from the amoeba stage, you can say, even from the absolutely from the, we call it the jad (जड), the dead, from the absolutely from the material stage to this state, it has achieved quite a lot of detachment in a way. The detachment has come in a way that you understand that you are not the dead; no, you are not. That much at least everybody knows, that you are not. There are so many things you are identified with but at least you know that you are not dead. With the growth of materialism and by changing matter and its forms and all that, then you realise one more thing: that matter doesn’t give us happiness. I mean many people through evolution realise it: that matter is not the end of our lives and it is not going to give us happiness. Then, in the subtler form, when you evolve even more, then you go into the arts and the beauty of the matter: then you start seeing [a] little deeper than what the matter means to you, and you start thinking about its beauty, its forms, its combinations and its harmony. So the subtleties about matter develop, up to a point, through your rationality and understanding, that you realise that this art, also has its finite nature: I mean how far can you go with it? And even if you have art and you become an artist and you are aesthetically very rich…there are people who can be called as masters of art and those who are really aesthetically evolved people, but if you go and see their lives you get a shock you realise what kind of artists are these? I mean, they are producing art and beautiful things and nothing goes inside! They are very materialistic, they can be mad people or they can be absolutely obnoxiously boring. So why is it that these artists, those who are creating all this, [which is] supposed to be something which is joy-giving, are so boring themselves and nothing goes inside them! And apart from that they are so oppressive, and so much sometimes can be very egoistical or can be very, very methodical or meticulous and they could be absolutely mathematical about things. You start understanding that they are not that abstract, as they produce. They give some ideas, some projections they do, but they may not be so. So again you start thinking: how is it that this matter, which has gone to this subtle state, which is called as art and artists, why is it that this matter has not anything in it to offer us of that eternal value or of that nature which is promised to us through our scriptures? So some people do at this point, definitely they step over, I would say, or they just collapse on that point. In the sense then they think, “Oh, then there is nothing like scriptures. It's all a mess. It’s all wrong. There may not be anything. It’s a tall story told to us. And there may not be any truth about it, that there is all pervading power and there is this God and you can become one with God. It cannot be true. After all you can see that there is so much of poverty in this world, there is so much of pain in this world, people are so unhappy, how can there be a God Who can tolerate all this?” I get letters of that kind many a times, you see, that, “How people are so unhappy and they are this and that and then how can you talk of God?” So this is the one complication we have and this is the complication comes because the Atma, the Spirit, is enveloped by our attention into the matter; because the matter has risen, our attention has come from outward, and it has risen up to a point where there is a knot by which we cannot see the Spirit but we see the matter. This knot, I mean there’s a big controversy about names. I would not like you to confuse it but we can say like that, this knot is the knot which is the knot between the Spirit and the matter which is called as jad-prakruti (जड प्रकृति) in the Sanskrit language. This is the first knot which is a very difficult knot. We think, “This jug is mine.” And we think, “This chair is mine.” Even if somebody offers you a chair, “Come along sit here!” and the another person is sitting little bit lower, she’ll say, “Oh, she has given her a chair which is higher!” All kinds of complications human beings have! You know, it’s very delicate they are. They are so foolishly, sometimes, identified with things, like supposing a person…if you go more and more in the politics now, there’s a prime minister and he thinks that someone is sitting on a chair, and he thinks that somebody is going to occupy that chair, then all kinds of funny things start in his mind and all kinds of complications start. And he thinks that he’ll be dislodged from that chair by which he’s been a prime minister, so he starts working out his own plans and things. I mean the priorities are so much changed! Then you will start what you call canvassing for him and everybody going for an election, and everybody fighting. I mean, the whole world is a madhouse at these things: how to achieve that chair, that position, by which he can become the prime minister. And the other one doesn’t come. The other side working it out and, you see, it is very ‘important’. But what is he putting on the chair, is another dead stuff. You see one dead is adorned by another dead. He’s dead as far as so many things are concerned which are thought as the truth, because he doesn’t know the truth. Now supposing you make somebody as a high priest. Now he is a high priest on a chair. To me, I see one dead thing sitting on another dead thing, that’s all. Because the chair doesn’t understand these things, the one who’s put on the chair doesn’t understand anything either, because it hasn't got the awareness to see what is the truth. So what’s the use of doing such a jocular thing? It’s really a joke, but people are very serious about it indeed. Very serious things, absolutely, they do all kinds of things for these elections. It's so serious, but if you stand from this angle and you should see that you start looking at it and you say, “What’s this? I never expected. What’s all going on?” You see, it’s quite silly. But we have to accept it because we have misidentified through this one granthi, or you can call it this knot of the jadaprakruthi or what you call as this matter. Now for a Sahaja Yogi it is essential to see how far he is identified with his jadaprakruthi. It’s very important to see how far is he identified with his, what you call the attachment or the covering of this deadening. All that is subconscious is, all what you call conditioning, is done. Everything that is dead is dead. Whether it is your dead matter or a dead thought, it’s just the same. And the more you hover on it. You see, there are silly people I have known: I mean they have come to me in their thing. Supposing a wife has died, say about thirty-five years back. So he is here weeping and crying, writing poetry about her. She’s dead about twenty-five years back. She might have been reborn as a child somewhere or something like that. He can’t marry her again, nothing of the kind, but he’s writing poetry about her, crying, weeping. And he expects everybody to weep. There are people, I have seen, they sit down and they just weep about it. They just play records and things, melancholy things and just wasting all their precious tears on something that is dead and finished. Now, there’s no need to weep about it, but they’ll go on like that and they enjoy such a thing very much and they appreciate it very much. It’s most surprising! But people go on wasting their energy, they enjoy it in a way, the way it is written down, the whole melancholy of singing their damaged experiences and remembering them in your memory. Whatever was false, actually should become nothing in your mind when you reach Reality. So the memory in a Sahaja Yogi is of no value, much value. Because whatever he had, was in a dead condition. He was not sensitive to All-pervading Power at that time. He was just dealing with dead stuff. And that was what I was surprised when many people told me that, “Mother, after becoming a Sahaja Yogi now we can't read any more melancholy poets.” I said, “Thank God a lot of time is now saved for meditation!” Otherwise imagine all of them coming with very melancholy faces to me, and saying that, “Mother you know, this poet has written…” Already there are bombardments of people who read all kinds of books, that, “Why such a person should write like that? And why such a person should write like that?” In the same way they would say, why is such a person like Lord Byron? I don’t even see his face when we pass that way! I say he’s really melancholia personified! And he made everybody miserable himself! What was he crying about? I mean if you see his life: whom did he make happy? He made everyone happy, and was crying all the time and still making everybody unhappy? So this kind of a person is there! All this is dead and takes you towards the dead. So dead and dead things can never give you happiness. On the contrary it gives you habits, they give you habits. And these habits come to you like, say, you are habituated to sit on the chair, you cannot sit on the ground. Now if I tell the Sahaja Yogis they must learn to sit on the ground they will immediately start that, “We must sit on the ground!” That’s not the point! What I am saying [is] the habit the chair has given should be got rid of. But for that you don’t waste your energies, for heaven’s sake! Because if I say that then you shouldn’t try wasting your energy in getting rid of the habits that were there. On the contrary if you put your attention to your Spirit, to what you have achieved, to where you are, gradually you’ll find your habits will drop out like that. You have known that. We have had alcoholics with us here; terrible alcoholics who could not give up alcohol, and they have given up. We have had people who have taken drugs; they have given up without any difficulties. Cigarettes they have given up. There are also some higher vices and bigger vices also people have given up. And some vices which one cannot mention, people have given up. So this happens when your attention goes to your Spirit. And this is a very big detachment that comes to you through your ascent, into that realm where you feel the All-pervading. Means automatically your detachment works. Means your attention has felt, definitely, that oneness with Reality. Otherwise why are you getting detached? And spontaneously it happens. Suddenly you’ve matured so much. Sahaja Yogis matured so fast. I mean it's a jet-like maturity, I think. Because when they rise nobody understands. Whenever they say something people say, “What are you talking about?” Because they are at such a different level that others just don’t understand what they are talking about, and they find it very difficult to understand. [The] easiest thing, whatever they talk, the others say, “What, what are you saying about, we don’t follow?” So the attention when it enters into that, your habits drop out. But for that it is essential that your attention should be on your Spirit. Now what is the beauty of Spirit for a Sahaja Yogi? What does he get out of the Spirit? What is the manifestation of Spirit is? That when his attention is absolutely one with the Atman, with the Spirit, then there is a manifestation of vibrations. You start getting cool breeze in your hands. Now these vibrations are there from the very beginning of the matter, up to the vibrations where you come up to a human level. You can call them, these are like, electromagnetic vibrations. But when they go on improving. You see, in the beginning, they just look like electromagnetic, then they look like more. There is emotions in it. Then you go little ahead, then you find that these vibrations also act, these vibrations also think, they also report. So gradually you will find that with the growth of human being, as a human being from matter, these vibrations have also manifested into different categories. To begin with, these vibrations are only electromagnetic, you can say, in the matter. Say if you have Sulphur Dioxide as a molecule you will find sulphur and dioxide both are vibrating all the time like that. But when it goes on manifesting more and more — that’s the basics — then gradually the manifestation of these higher things can be perceived through our understanding of Sahaja Yoga. But for a normal person it is only electromagnetic. Now supposing a matter, which is, say, just a matter, say a dead matter, it is. Now it is not aware that it has got vibrations to begin with. It is not aware. It doesn’t even think about it. I mean, it has no awareness at all of any kind, it’s just dead. So, but there are vibrations, there are electromagnetic vibrations, but it is not aware. Now supposing such a dead matter, if you tell that dead matter that you have vibrations it will say, “What are you talking about? I have never felt!” But somebody else can feel it, that there are electromagnetic vibrations. In the same way every human being has got these vibrations within him in the Spirit. But they are only manifested when he gets Realisation. So, the second category of the same thing, the same vibrations, start expressing higher and higher qualities about it. Like from one seed a tree grows and the flowers come out, and they give fragrance: like that the growth is more and more. But the basic is electromagnetic vibrations that you can feel it everywhere in the matter with your naked eyes, a human being can see it. Now see your own growth. Have you recognised it that animals don’t know that there are electromagnetic vibrations, but human beings have? But a Sahaja Yogi knows that there are not only electromagnetic but there are all kinds of manifestations of these vibrations. So electromagnetic are important at a point and then other vibrations are even much more important. So all these vibrations are coming, combined together, absolutely completely, in a human being, which they manifest gradually. And they act according to the need of the time. So much so that in these vibrations there is somebody who thinks, the vibrations who think, the vibrations who cooperate, who cure, who relay things, who report things. All that you think in the human awareness that you are doing it, like telecommunications, you have got big telecommunications: sitting down here you can show some things that are happening in India or something like that. In the same way these vibrations can report thing to you. The complete telecommunication is built in these vibrations! Then you can cure people sitting down here. You can raise their kundalinis sitting down here. You can work out on people sitting down here. All these far fetched things are possible. Those who have been Sahaja Yogis have realised it and seen it and worked it out. And it’s most surprising. Now we have a lady here sitting down: her husband used to drink a lot, everybody knows the story very well. And we just sent some vibrations and he’s stopped his drinking. And just to convince that through vibrations it was done I used something which is very simple, is a lime, a living lime. And we put our vibrations into that and we put them near the head of the patient and they suck the negativity of the person and the person gives up drinking. You have seen one boy who used to come here, a little boy, who would run all over the places and would not sit down even for a minute. He was possessed, he was horrid. And now he’s a sensible boy. He’s started going to school. He never used to utter even a word, now he’s started speaking. So all these things happened with the lime. Now he said, “How is it, Mother, a lime is such a thing now?” For a very, sort of, up to date person, it is a little funny to see limes being used for vibrations! But they are actually ultra-modern things you know, they are ultra-modern. I am not talking of only modern but ultra-modern things are limes; are the very ultra-modern things. Because you vibrate the ultra-modern limes by your vibrations, and you put them under the pillow. Now these limes have a speciality. And this have been found out by many people long time back: that they have a speciality to suck in the vibrations and contain the vibrations or to, not only electromagnetic, but quite a lot of vibrations can be in it, because they are living and they have a coefficience. They have a kind of coefficience by which they suck in these vibrations in them, and then they relay, they throw these vibrations whenever it is necessary. It is not the limes who do it but the vibrations who are contained in them that they do. How? I will tell you. You can think of a battery being created. You create a battery. Now the battery cannot do anything but if you take the battery near some points then it starts working because it is inside it. In the same way we really make it into a battery. When they are near the heads of the people, these limes, they are doing nothing, but these vibrations come out and they start working it out. It’s a perfect team. They do it, they know, they are perfect. You don’t have to tell them. They understand much more than you do. They are controlled much better and they know how to find the ways to extract the negativity, which sounds very funny to other people. That’s why I tell all the Sahaja Yogis, “Don’t give out all the secrets just now. Let them come in slowly. Let them settle down, let them get vibrations and then we’ll talk.” Because I have seen if you not only talk, but if they see that I am handling some limes, some people run away, thinking that it's all hocus-pocus. They don’t want to believe in it. Really it is a fact! Because people believe in some sort of a funny thing. Supposing I have big circus and all those things that the people do, I don’t know what all they do, but some sort of a funny thing, you see, they like it. For example, if I make you all jump on your heads and shout loudly and make some nuisance out of it there will be thousands coming to this group I can assure you. But if you are really knowing about Reality and if you are handling the vibrations within you people won’t come. And that’s why many people go to that. Why? Because the same, the complication, the complication is still at work you see. So to please them you have to use the complications. And those who do not want people to know Reality or those who I would say do not know Reality, those people who just want to make use of all this, they use this complication. So they try on human beings and that’s how they trap the disciples and that’s how they manage thousands of people bringing money and giving them honour and all those things which are useless for a person who has known Reality. For him money makes no difference. I mean he understands the joke of the money and he understands the joke of everything else. But those who want to use this complication. So this one is described, I will use the name that was used by Shankaracharya. Because everybody is not a realised-soul and of a great authority, but we have to have some people as authority. So Shankaracharya has called this as Brahmagranthi he calls it Brahmagranthi. Brahmagranthi he says, because the Brahma is the vibrating force, Brahma is Om. That is the vibrating force. Because it’s the vibrations, that’s why he calls it as the Brahmagranthi. Now the second one is the one by which we think that we can do something. Now this one is the superego one, the first one I told you about: creates the superego, this granthi, the knot. How do you have a knot? I’ll give you an example of a balloon, say, for example, a balloon. Now a balloon has lots of air in it, but it will all pass out, it won’t be there, if there is no knot there. But if there is a knot you can hold the balloon all right. And this is the balloon we have in our head which we call as superego, which we can see here clearly. Can you show them? The black one, you know. The black, real one, is this one: is the superego by which you get possessed, and you get all mad and you do all kinds of things. This is the Brahmagranthi. This knot is there. And this knot, first starts at the Mooladhara. It starts from there. The knot starts from there, can you imagine! It starts from there! Because this one is made of prithvi-tattwa, is made of the earth element, so from the very beginning from the earth element itself, the knot starts. But as there is a knot: you see, when you make a knot always there is an unwinding, always. You come by a staircase you always can go down it. Is there a staircase by which you cannot go down but only come up? In the same way, if you have made a knot, there must be a way of going out of the knot. So the going out of the knot is worked out through Sahaj Yog. That also is done through vibrations. That the first, this knot, has to be released. Once this knot is released then only the Kundalini starts. This is the first knot. This is much more important. So this first knot is very strong among Indians and is not so strong with you people. Though in a way you have done one great harm but this one is not so strong in you people, at least those who are seekers. You are not so materialistic: in the sense at least in your rationality, I think you are. But I would say that you are not so much worried about your food and things like that, so much as the Indians are. I mean they can’t help it. They have to worry about their food and all these things. Of course you get your doles, you are not so much worried about these things. But there is also another problem that comes up with all this affluence, that in a very subtle way, very subtle way, you are materialistic, you are. Because if there is 1p increase, the whole thing topples down, which won’t happen in India. Even if there is a 3p increase nobody would bother, because they'll say, “Alright, we'll not eat that, we'll have another one!” Because they are so much used to a kind of calamity all the time falling on them. “All right if we can’t get bread, we’ll make something else, all right.” So like that they are not so much disturbed as you people are. Because you become over-sensitive, even to your materialism you are very sensitive and your materialism starts becoming so funny that it amounts to fuss, and it’s fussy. It’s a fussy materialism which is such a headache, I tell you, that I mean even what people are wearing and how they are dressed…Now supposing you are wearing a suit, then they say it’s not good because, “He’s a very suity fellow. He’s a suity fellow.” Now if he is not wearing a suit, then, “He’s very casual,” you see. Sort of everything has a name something like that. And everything can be discarded under some banner or something. I mean who has got time to think about who is wearing what, who’s a suity or a booty or whatever it is? But these things make you sort of brand a person, that a person, his house is like this, then he must be like this. It is not so. It is not. Here the knot is so subtle in the sense that rationality, gives you this sense, that by judging it, that by that you judge a person, you judge a person, by his appearance. Say supposing I wear a horn, you can say, and I try to do some tricks, some jugglery for you. Supposing I show you some money, taking out some sort of a ring or something like that. It may really make you feel that, “There must be something about it!” Or even higher than that if I say that, “All right, you can have your sex habits as you like. You can have ten women around you. It doesn’t matter and you can meet God.” And if you see someone like that you can call him a sadhu, you can. I mean, it is such a big myth, it is such a big falsehood. It is absolutely nothing but, I would say, complete darkness, it is. But people will accept it, because it will sound very fantastic to them, because it will support that materialism that exists within a person like that. In India, say there is a saint and who says that by sex you will go to God. Immediately people will jump on him, because we are so much endowed with sex energy, hoping we are going to get these higher things. All these things happen in a society which is supposed to be absolutely non-materialistic. So this materialism works out and this granthi, what I call the Brahmagranthi, is the involvement, or you can say the falsehood, the falsehood, of matter . The falsehood of matter works through this and one goes on believing it and believing it. So the second thing starts with it that people say, “Let us give up this falsehood.” And they start all kinds of another artificial methods. After all, materialism gives you artificiality, in the sense that when your attention is involved into things which are not real, which is not Reality, then naturally it is an artificial stuff — everything becomes artificial. And when the artificiality becomes too much, then what happens, artificially you try to give it up. This is the second side of it. The second side of it is artificially you think, “We should give it up.” For example, you will say, “All right, from today I am going to wear a dress like an ascetic!” We had some people who said that, “We cannot give up these dresses of primitive people.” I said, “But why?” “Because we want to become primitive!” Now you cannot become primitive. It’s a fact! You must accept it. Yes, all right, dress up as you like, it’s nothing important. You [can] dress up like anything but you don’t think [that] by dressing up anything you are going to become anything — nothing! It is not important at all. Whatever way you may dress up, whatever things you may dress up, whatever you may do, has no bearing on your inner yoga. Inner yoga works out by itself, it works out through chakras, it goes inside, it’s a subtle thing which is a detached thing from, how you dress: how you walk, how you talk is not the point. Once this yoga works out then of course, the things change outside; because your faces glow, you become magnetic, you talk in a way which is authoritative, you start curing people, you start doing many things which shows that you are a different person: that’s a very different thing altogether. But normally by doing it outside, artificially doing something: this is another kind of a granthi, you can call a knot. And this knot starts by identifying yourself, by thinking that if you do something then you are going to achieve it. By sort of doing some sort of an effort or by doing some sort of a penance or standing on your heads or so called Hatha Yoga, or all these things that people do in the name of God also. All these things you think you are going to achieve, is another falsehood. Because with this falsehood that knot becomes stronger and stronger. Doing anything, is what you call the Rajoguna, is the Rajoguna, is the Right side action. The Left Side action just now I described to you, which starts from the Mooladhara. And the Right Side action, which is the Rajoguna which is within you, which is the activity within us, by which we do something, we want to do something; which is done through our ahamkara, is through our ego which is there. And all this also, doesn’t lead you anywhere, because whatever you do, you do not do any living work, you do all dead. Supposing you have made this chair: what have you done? You have just changed a tree into a dead stuff and then made a chair, that’s all — dead into dead. You have created all this, it’s all dead and that is all dead. Any living work human beings have done? Nothing. And, if evolution is a living process you are doing all living: you have to do something living. On the contrary if you are doing something dead and believing that you are doing something living, then it’s even a greater falsehood. But if you realise that we are doing nothing, that is living, [and that] for that something has to happen, that we should be endowed with that Power by which we do living things: if this is accepted then the thing works out, otherwise not. If people think, “No, I am the prime minister!” say, “I am the king!” “I am the XYZ!” you may be anything, still for God you are a dead person. It matters nothing to God. You might be an engineer, all right you are, you arrange, say for example you arrange a machinery or something to work out. Even if you go to Moon, what is it? Dead going to the dead and coming back dead! What have you achieved? Going to the Moon, what did you get? Those stones, things, and what are you going to [do] put them in, on your heads? What living thing have you done out if it? Just think it over. What efforts! What mind! Then coming to religion, also we behave in the same manner. We think if we go to church, now for example — some people believe in it. Of course, I mean some of you are sensible enough to understand that by going to church and listening to a priest you are not going to achieve anything. Is a sensible thing, that way. But even by going to temples, you are not going to achieve it, take it from me. Going to any lectures, you are not going to achieve it. They are just going to talk, talk, talk, which is a dead thing, which becomes a dead in your mind [and[ nothing but conditioning takes place. By reading books, you are not going to achieve it either. Books are dead: you read the books [and] you accumulate more dead on your left hand side. By the Right side, you do the thing by accumulating the Left Side. But you use also the Left Side for your Right side. Because if you have read a book, then, so, “Yes, yes, yes! You see! Now Mataji is not that person, you see, because there was in this book this was written and how Mataji explains that?” So all the time you are playing with these two knots within you Rajoguna and Tamoguna: these two knots are within you and that’s why your attention is not on the Spirit. Third is the Sattvoguna, you can call it: the one by which we try to know God; is the one by which we try to see things that, “No, this is not all right!” “We give up this and give up that and we should take to Rajoguna.” But we should give up Rajoguna and we should take to Sattvoguna: is the central path, where we try to say, “We must be God. But what can we do to be God?” As I have told you, people think that by meditating [you can]. Some people have told me “Oh, I have been meditating Mother for the last twenty-five years!” “Now,” I said, “what have you been meditating?” I mean, there have been people I have known who have been ‘meditating’. But where, and how? It’s funny, you know, how people can do it. We had neighbours there, and somebody had given them a mantra and he was a man, a very big man, I should say, he was really governor of the Reserve Bank of India! And they would get up four o'clock till six o’clock, they were meditating and saying some sort of a mantra, absolutely rumble tumble, and they were doing it and doing it and doing it till it was about twenty years! Till they absolutely became dilapidated, their hands became like this, feet became like this and swollen bodies and all that, and then they died. Till then they were going on and on until the end! And even when they were laid down in bed they could not move on, still they were on with it! They had become completely dead. You won’t believe how they had become. I wish I had shown you their photographs. Absolutely bedridden, and their bodies were swollen up and they could not even move their legs and food was given to them and somebody used to take them out and do everything. I mean, they couldn’t move any part of their body, they were all deadened and finished, like that, and still they were saying the mantras! I said, “Now when are you going to get the fruit of all these mantras?” They said, “You see our mother…” They have a mother, and their mother has promised that, “When you will die you will get it.” They died and nothing happened! The body was so heavy nobody could lift it, and it was a big problem. So they were deadening themselves, all the time they were deadening and deadening! Instead of going towards life, they were deadening themselves only. Now, I could not tell them anything because they were not very willing to listen to me. They had become so much addicted to that habit of saying mantra, that even doctors could not do anything about it, nobody could do, they would not take any medicine, they were just doing mantras only. Their mouth was saying mantra and the whole body was stiff like that! And they died and people said, “What great people have died, you know! We must take their darshanas they have died.” Now, you start looking at them and you say, “Now, what to do?” And the people they came and they said, “Oh, great people have died! Then they took the name of God till the end!” And then you blame God: “Why is that they took the name of God and why did they die like that?” I mean you must see where you are hitting your head! Supposing that is the door and if you go on hitting your head here and then you say, “Mother we hit our head for twenty years why didn’t you find the way?” I mean this is not the way! The way is there. That’s the way you have to get it. If this is not the way, why are you hitting there? This is because of the Rajoguna problems, the Rajoguna problem that we can do something about it. People just cannot believe that you cannot do anything about it, because in a very, very subtle way Mr. E-G-O is present! You say anything to them immediately it comes up like a snake, I have seen it. “Oh, Mataji said that! No, I can’t bear it! Why did she say that?” I mean, why did I say, means I see things and that’s why I am saying! You will also come on this side one day and you will start seeing. And what I say [whether] is absolute truth or not you can verify it! But why should I say, is the main point! I don’t want to disturb you. I have brought you here and I have called you here to give you something special. All right now if that is so, let us have a compact of it, some sort of a compact deal about it, that I give you something and then you receive it and the compact, the whole thing, should work in you, and then you decide about it. Instead of that if one word you say, immediately the snake [of ego] comes, “Oh! She said this to us, let’s walk out!” Now what should I say? “You are all right”? “You need not seek. You are perfect”? Is that the way should I pamper your ego? No, it should not be so. Neither do I condemn anybody. I do not say that, “It is because you are like this ,you are condemned!” — no! But you must see the Reality, that you are not there as yet, the Reality has not come to you, you must see the Reality as a whole. For example, I am a Mother and you are hitting your head here. Now if I tell you, “My child for heaven's sake don’t hit your head, you will break your head. Go there, there’s the door.” Then you say, “I’m on my own, who are you to tell me?” Now this is a bit too much for a Mother to bear. Now she says, “Please see, this is the door you get out of this door.” That’s why you need a Mother, you don’t need anybody else. Because anybody else would just say, “Oh, all right, you go ahead! Break your head and finished with everything! Good riddance of the bad rubbish!” But a Mother is not like that. She thinks about it, she thinks, “Oh, my children are there, they are seeking, they are seekers. I have to go on telling them and telling them, so that at least they open themselves.” But they’ll go on hitting their heads, whatever you may try, unless and until this wisdom comes into the head. And it’s such a vicious circle, I tell you. The wisdom cannot come till this lowest granthi breaks, the lowest knot breaks, where a person starts understanding one simple point: that human beings cannot do it. God has to do it. So the surrendering starts. God has to do it. You cannot do it. Only thing we have to say [is], “Oh, Lord please!” that’s all. You have to just knock at the door. You don’t have to argue out whether Christ was correct or not, whether Buddha was correct or not — don’t discuss any dogmas. All these people, all those who are supposed to be in charge of religions, have created nothing but useless dogmas to quarrel and fight! And I was amazed to see these people when they have their meetings: “We have to discuss who is going to be elected for this and what is going to be the agenda for the budget of this thing, and then lastly what will be the menu for the next year?” That’s all they do! I mean if that is God’s job, I am quite surprised and you should be. I mean is this the way these people are going to bring Reality within you by bringing you all kinds of unreal and useless things? And they are doing it, and we are in it all the time, we are in it, we are identified with it because see we think… (end of side one of tape) …this yellow stuff, you see, absolutely. It gives you also. To me, it gives me a feeling of nausea as well. Most of these people, egoistical, have bad liver and also they have, they get this trouble of migraine. And also they get all liver problems and this yellow colour especially is expressing their liver temperaments. Then on top of that, they think, “What’s wrong in doing anything?” Already we are on one side then, “What’s wrong?” then starts, then we start drinking, because we must deny all that is good. Now let me tell you one thing: whatever things people do which are egoistical, the things that they do that destroys them. It’s sort of a thing [that] they want to destroy themselves. Perhaps in a subtle way their ego wants to destroy itself. It is such a thing that they work it out in such a sub-human way. For example, for a person like me, that I cannot understand a man who goes to a pub and sees another person coming in and falling down all over: you see such a man coming out then how do you enter in? It’s like a lunatic asylum! I mean if you go to lunatic asylum and you see a lunatic coming out, then you would not like to go inside. But this, I can’t understand how human beings do. They see. Now you know it very well that nobody so far has been even honoured because he’s a drunkard. Has there been anybody in the whole world? While the whole world drinks, but is there anybody honoured? In the history I would like to know: was anybody honoured? Any man who has deceived his wife and has married ten women has been honoured for that? Is there anybody honoured? I mean they say that many geniuses, I call them geniasses, are like that. Maybe they are just like radiograms from where some music is coming, but it doesn’t do anything inside. And they, if they become your models, you might be becoming geniasses yourself, without even any genius in you. So all funny models we set up but do we ever erect their statues? Do we garland them? Do we worship them? Why? Whatever you may say against Christ, I don’t say that anybody can stop you because you are on your own. You see, [the] on your own trip is one of the worst trips that I could think of. What have you found so far to be on your own? Nothing! You haven’t found your own properties. You haven’t found out your own nature . You have not found out the beauty that you are. What are you all with? Will you go out anywhere without taking any money with you? You don’t even have a ticket! So just it’s a joke, that you are on your own. You are not! You are not, because your own is missing, is missing, it’s not there. We have to find out that own. Our attention should be on that own. And why, why do we always indulge into these three complications all the time. Like even in the centre, is about Sattvoguna. Because we feel many people do feel: that’s also a very modern blessing, I would say, that everyone feels the need to seek. But when you see how Joan of Arc was punished and how things happened in the past, how people were mad and dogmatic and egoistical in the name of religion: you don’t know what to do. You see the funny people! Then you get all these horrible gurus coming here and taking money from you and doing all kinds of things. You think, “What’s all going on?” Then you see people giving you sermons and lectures and all their private life — nothing in them bubbling, nothing so special, nothing so sweet about them — then you feel, “What is this going on?” And that is the central path where you are really seeking and then you say, “No, let me do it myself!” I can assure you, you cannot, it’s not meant to be. It’s funny, I mean if somebody says, “All right you come to my house. Just come down and you’ll get it.” Then why do you want to do it still? What is the reason? There are many people who have been here who don’t like when I tell them, “Please give up this mantra of yours. It’s not going to do any good to you!” They say, “Why Mataji?” As if they become the mantra! And the mantra itself is “Rumble tumble”! Nobody knows a word about Sanskrit! Nobody knows a word about what it means, where to take which mantra. There is no living process behind it — nothing! I am shocked at it sometimes. Sometimes I feel, instead of water you are taking poison. And when you tell about the Reality and you tell them, “This is how it works out, and it has to work out within you. It is an internal working. It is an internal yoga which has to work out, which you have to feel it yourself; you have to see yourself and you have to see it in others, and you have to work it out,” — people don’t like it. This is also because of the third misidentification you have of your Sattvoguna. Because artificiality starts from the very beginning, the artificiality goes on and on, till even you come to Sattvoguna which is the seeking — in seeking also there’s artificiality. Now if I may tell you that I can see you through and through: it’s a fact. I can. Now you put up a show before me, whatever show you want, but I can see it. But I do not show that, I don’t want to show, it’s all right. Sometimes I am very unhappy when I see some people; I know there’s a big problem about them.You haven’t got that experience, but supposing when you become a Sahaj Yogi you will feel it. Those who have got it can feel it. You will feel so concerned about things. And sometimes you feel very elated to see some people are in a very good shape and some are in a very elated shape. I can see you through and through. I can see everything. But still my love is such that it doesn’t allow me to see those things that will recede my attention. I can see my love working it out: It tries to build it and make it. I have to work it out. But then my attention is a very special stuff: it goes to a great extent. Now the love and the attention play a part. In my case my love is in my heart, it’s my Left Side. This one is not. It plays hand in hand with the attention. Now attention is in the centre and my Sahaja Yoga is on the right hand side. So the attention is also very stubborn: it plays, to a point, it goes up to a point, then it recedes back, again, it goes down and says, “All right, forget it! You just can’t do it, not yet.” Because love can also spoil, so they balance. Like in a driving you have an accelerator and a brake. You can put an accelerator to a point but if it goes beyond a point then it might spoil the whole show, so you have to put it down. It has to keep in relation with the whole programme, with all the people around. Now say if there’s a person who comes here who is a very troublesome fellow, he has very bad vibrations, he drinks and he troubles us, and he just comes here to disturb us; he argues. One day I tolerate him, second time I tolerate, third time he doesn’t turn up, he just doesn’t turn up! People don’t know how he doesn’t come, “Oh, he was transferred.” I didn’t do that but it happens. The attention just recedes: no importance to such a person; he is useless, because what he can achieve? Thousands and millions can be given it just like this. Why should God worry about people who are not interested in their own well-being? He’s not going to fall at their feet. He can create the whole universe; I mean, He can create all other types of human beings. So this is also there, this attention, you see: it’s a very proud stuff. It has its own protocol and these protocols are divided into these seven centres. And any one of these Deities, specially Christ, the Lord as you call Him — He is really the Lord you know — not an easy person — if He gets angry, it’s impossible. He loves you; no doubt, but to a point. He loves me much more than He loves you. If He finds that there is a problem for me He will have nothing to do with you. As long as you are receiving it, and behaving yourself, all right. Same about Mahavira, same about Buddha: we are on one side. So they all support, they all help, and all of them are absolutely in unison and in complete understanding — nobody fights them. It’s a complete integration. Only I am the person in between, trying to say, “All right, just for a little bit, let’s have it this way and that way. Let’s do it.” Like a chairman sitting on the chair and telling them, “All right. It’s all right now. Please forgive! Please forgive me now!” But somehow (unclear). It happens. Then for a Sahaja Yogi it is essential to know there are certain rules and regulations of Sahaj Yoga. Immediately your vibrations are less to begin with. I don’t do anything. People say, “Mother you have taken away my vibrations!” I say, “Why should I? I am so anxious to give it away! I mean I am fed up of it!” I would love to give everything, all this to you. But if there’s something wrong with you what am I to do? Now supposing you put a lid on top of a pitcher and put it in the Ganges and you say, “No! Ganges is flowing, now what am I to do?” Remove the lid! And it is very subtle, very subtle. You don’t realise how subtle it is, only in vibrations: “Oh God! I’ve lost my vibrations!” That’s all! So vibrations are the most important things for Sahaja Yogis. The most important thing is to achieve a complete state of vibrations, when your Realisation is completely integrated, your physical being, your emotional being, your Spiritual being is complete, in unison, there’s a complete balance within you. Then only the vibrations flow and that’s why antar-yoga is important. It is not only lecturing that is going to help you. Of course, there are vibrations in it and they work out: I try through my vibrations of my words, I try to disentangle you. But that is to a point, where you have to yourself take up and work it out, the antar-yoga, the inner yoga, by working it out in a way that you sit down, meditate and do various things that Sahaj Yoga has suggested. Now I have, you know that, my grandchildren are realised-souls and they’re very high quality realised-souls and they understand a lot about Kundalini from very childhood. Yesterday one of the girls was feeling the Left Nabhi very much, all over, and she said, “Now I will know how to remove it.” And she brought pieces of paper and she tied them round her there. Then she took vibrations like that. So she said that, “Now they are all passing into this paper!” Actually while doing she was giving bandhan to it. She was moving her own vibrations around it, she was binding them. And then she took them and she said, “Alright, put them in the fire,” and they burned it. And her tension was reduced. And everywhere, everybody felt better. It's so fantastic it is! And now this girl is seven but I have a granddaughter, she’s hardly two, and she’s very great too. She just comes on to the point. She says, “This is the problem!” And I have a grandson who just climbs on somebody and he clears them out. His vibrations are clear, people have seen it. And there are many children like that, who are born in this country. How are you going to understand it? Only by attending to some sort of a meditation course or something like that? Paying for it? No, you have to be lively people. Sahaja Yogis should realise one thing: that they are the foundation of the new world. This is a very, very big responsibility. And the foundations have to be very solid. They are made out of stones, no doubt, but they have to be really solid, absolutely solid, because they are in the foundation. They are chiselled out much more. They are to be cleared out much more. But if the foundation is not good we cannot build the complete edifice, you cannot do anything about it. First, the foundation is important, and that’s why it’s nice we are getting a few people. But it's taking a bit too much time, I think, the foundation itself. Every stone has to look after oneself, and has to work it out in a much deeper way and work out the vibrations and must evolve the methods, all the methods, by which your depth is created. Nothing is important but this: that every one of you should be real solid people. In the end, I will just tell you that the subtle part of these chakras, is how to understand them. The first side, the first entanglement with the jada-prakruti as you call it, the matter, is to know the auspiciousness, auspiciousness of things: what is auspicious, what is not auspicious. If you understand the auspiciousness then you will understand that you can overcome the binding of the matter. Now, even auspiciousness can become quite maddening to people. I have seen it. I have seen people washing their hands fifty-five times, pulling their hair hundred times — that’s not the way. But you must understand what is auspicious, what is not auspicious. For example, we can say, how we sit in a programme is not important so much. You may be little bit sometimes pushing back, pushing forward, may be sitting [in] any way: that’s not important. But the auspiciousness of sitting is that: have you reverence in your mind when you are sitting? There should be a reverence in you. When you are sitting for your meditation, are you taking upon yourself that, “Oh, I am going to achieve it today!” or out of reverence you are sitting in a surrendering mood, in a surrendering position? The reverence part is very important, once you start understanding reverence. I have seen people putting both their legs towards me, sitting down like that. I have seen people with very arrogant ways of sitting. For example, sitting like this before anybody who is supposed to be revered: you should not sit like this. If you sit like this then there is no reverence. This is [how] you sit when you are in the authority yourself! You should sit with your both legs like this and sit in reverence. Now this pose is not important. You can be absolutely burning with ego within you and could be sitting like this. So I’m again telling you: auspiciousness is what is within you, what you think about it, what is happening to you: Are you feeling reverence within you? Are you feeling the reverence by your pose? This is your own judgment. This is your decision. This is nothing to do with how you should sit, whether you sit on your one leg or two legs, it’s not the most important thing, but do you feel that, by this you are relaxed and you are in a reverence position? This is the thing. If you feel you are in a reverence position, that’s all right. That is what you have to do, is to understand auspiciousness. An example I will tell you, of auspiciousness: for example, now, you are a wife in a family, you are a husband in a family. Now how you treat your wife? Do you treat her like a goddess of the family? Do you? Do you treat your husband as a man who brings God in the family? You see, this auspiciousness is the way, how you feel about, is the auspiciousness. How you feel about a chair? You sit on the chair; say for example, now how do you feel about the chair? Do you feel it’s a chair because it’s very expensive? Because it is your own? Or because somebody has given [it to] you? The reverence is there, about the chair, that, “No, it is the chair which was occupied by my mother so it is to be revered, or by my father, so it is to be revered, or it is just a chair which is handled just for utility or you have just got it for a some sort of a deviant thing? Wherever you sit, now, say for meditation: you are sitting in a place. I have seen people doing all kinds of funny things, in the name of meditation. For example, they’ll be smoking first. Now what are you going to do? The ashtray would be just there and then they would put their feet like this, “Now let us do the meditation!” This aspect is very much missing here because people have lost all that. I think they had it very much there, but it is lost. And auspiciousness is a very, very sort of a thing which gradually, when you train yourself, you’ll understand. And by auspiciousness you will understand the value of matter. You will not value the matter then, but the auspiciousness of it. To you, the important thing will be say a hair from the head of Mohammed Prophet. It’s much more auspicious than all the world put together. I went to Kashmir as I told you, and we were just crossing through and I asked the driver, I said, “What’s this place?” He said, “Why?” I said. “Is there any temple here? What is this place? It’s so beautiful?” So my husband looked around, he said, “What’s beautiful about it? I don’t understand. There’s nothing here, around?” He said, “No, there is nothing. But there’s a place just there, you can see that, where the hair of Mohammed Prophet is kept.” I said, “That’s it!” No joy, beauty, I could ever get it from anywhere from any place. It could be very beautiful, you may feel that, “This is the heaven here!” For me it may not be there. It may be that place where one hair of Mohammed Prophet is sitting — it’s auspicious. Auspiciousness is judged through vibrations. So you cannot say, “How are you to judge the auspiciousness?” Through your vibrations you can. So use your vibratory awareness for auspiciousness. That’s how you can look after your Left Side, which I have told you in a very short way. For that you don’t have to read books and you don’t have to say, “How many times, Mother, I should wash my hands? How many times I should give this bandhan and all that?” It’s only when you get your vibrations the best, that’s the most auspicious time. Keep it at that point, because again into the rituals you’ll go, “Hold it with your left hand and hold it with your right hand,” and all going wrong. And then some, “Oh, Mother I did the wrong way!” Then what is it? That’s not the way! The thing is, the essence of it, [is that] if you get your vibrations all right, that’s what is to be auspicious. Maybe when you are sitting down you are not getting your vibrations, you think that maybe might go something wrong with it: is it I am not revered properly? Let me have the vibrations. Why, what’s the matter? Why is it that I am not feeling the vibrations well? That’s how it should be. You can judge it through your vibrations. Now auspiciousness is very important for Sahaja Yogis because all that they do should be auspicious. Whatever is inauspicious you shouldn’t do. Now you will be surprised, sometimes you might think that say going to a particular place is very important. But maybe you will find that you have lost your purse or you cannot go there or may be that somehow or the other that the road is blocked, you have to go by another. Accept it! Maybe that is auspicious. Maybe that you have to go that way. Maybe there is somebody who is waiting for you there, you have to give your vibrations to that place, there is some need there because you are an instrument of auspiciousness. You have to spread the auspiciousness. And what is auspiciousness? Is nothing but the blessings of God. To feel the blessings of God. He blesses you all the time. His hand is all the time on your hand, He looks after you. When you seek auspiciousness you seek His hand. You are always under His hand. He’s your shepherd. You are all the time under His guidance. That is what auspiciousness is, in the real sense. To feel it, all angels around you. Everybody is there to help. Everybody is trying to bring you to Reality: that is the auspiciousness. Once you start doing it gradually you will find the joy of living will pour into you, the joy of God’s blessings will pour into you, when you will feel His hands. It is not important that you become a very successful person in life. I have seen such successful people in life, so-called successful: so unhappy, so miserable, so terrible and so boring and so troublesome. They are good for nothing! People say, “Oh! He has died, it’s a good thing!” They have done no good to anybody, nobody bothers about them. When they are in position people look after them, once they are gone nobody even bothers about them. Auspiciousness gives you the right idea of Divine importance, means where the Divinity flows behind you and goes around you and takes you around and gives you the complete joy: the movement of the weight. It’s a beautiful thing to be auspicious. It takes you away from inauspiciousness when you ask for auspiciousness. But do not make a ritual out of it, which I want to tell you hundred and hundred and one times that do not make a ritual of anything because you deaden it, like all other people have done it. I hope after my death you people do not do all this. Because then it becomes a superstition. Auspiciousness should never be confused with superstition. Because people were not that alert and not so subtle they could not make out what is ugliness, that is superstition, and what is beauty, that is auspiciousness. They made all mistakes and they committed all these crimes. But you people be careful, because you are subtle people. Do not make it a superstitious thing, but an auspicious thing. When you speak, it should be auspicious. I have seen many people have a habit of speaking very inauspicious things, especially with the left Vishuddhi - very inauspicious. Like you invite somebody to your house for a dinner party. And he says, “Oh! I saw such a crowd coming in I felt that there was a fire on!” And what a thing to say! He thinks he has been smart, a very smart man to say such a thing. Or he’ll utter a very dirty joke at the time when there’s a wedding going on. There are many people. The inauspiciousness can form such a satanic force. Most of the tantrism has come out of inauspicious people. Do you know this, that tantrism is nothing but inauspicious mastery? Before the Deity, before the Gods, if you do something extremely inauspicious, you make the attention of the Gods and all its protection to get out of it and then you do all satanic things there. This is the basis of all these tantrikas. What is hell? Is nothing but inauspicious living. Because the attention of this God is not on you, the blessings are not there. Then you will understand that vibrations teach you auspiciousness. You think of somebody and you get stinging, “Oh God! What a man he is!” You may think he is a very big man [but] immediately you say, “Oh, he is inauspicious. We have nothing to do with him.” Sahaja Yogis should not aspire for the worldly success and worldly things, but for auspicious things, so that they get the blessings of God. Because those who have got also all kinds of worldly things are the most wretched souls ever living and are a curse to this Mother Earth. She is fed up with them. They are sinful. I do not want to tell you, if people behave in this manner, where they will go and what will happen, because that’s too much for me to say at this juncture. But that is what it is, about [which], I would say, your great poet, say Blake, has talked about it and told about it. The Hell, he has described. So many of them have described, I do not want to elaborate on it. The other side is the Right side, how to get out of the second side of it. What is the subtle point of the Right side? Is discipline. First you have to say, England was a very disciplined country, over disciplined, artificially disciplined, militarily regimented type. I do not mean that discipline at all. The discipline which is in you — it comes automatically. Not regimentation! Again the confusion should not be there, because I want to make it extremely clear. It’s very easy to confuse things because of these knots. So, when I say that you must have discipline, is an inner discipline, absolute inner. You don’t have to do anything about it, but it is built in, because you start enjoying that discipline within you. Discipline is, in Sanskrit language, we can call it as sadachar (सदाचार) — is ‘good behaviour,’ actually, if you translate it. But is much more than that, is much more than that, it’s much more. Sadachar is much more. It is a discipline: what time we get up in the morning? How do we meet the morning? The sun has risen. “What’s wrong in getting up at ten o’clock?” “Nothing wrong my child, but you are losing the beauty of the morning.” Morning time is the time when the sun is coming, the rays are coming. That is the special time when the sun throws its real rays of Divinity. Actually the Right side is the sun side, and it starts with your rising in the morning, very much. But not the hatha yogi style where you become bony people, where you fast for three hundred days and then three hundred days you go on shouting at people and three hundred days you start cursing them. I do not mean that. By discipline I mean that a certain amount of respect for yourself. It is a respect. As there is auspiciousness, this is a respect of your own being because it is ego. How much you respect your ego, Let me see? Assert your ego is different from respecting your ahambhav, your dignity. Your position in life, how much do you respect? Do you sell it for money? Do you sell it for a chair? Do you sell it for any positions in life? A kind of a discipline within yourself. Not to jabber too much, not to talk less. But that doesn’t mean that you try the balancing of it: it’s something innately built in which can work out through Sahaja Yoga — if you see your vibrations, again. You have to be respectable. In the first one, you have to respect, and in the second one, you have to be respectable. Respect yourself. People think that, supposing they don’t bathe their body for months together, “What’s wrong?” Nothing wrong. If you do not respect yourself, nature is not going to respect you. Physically you should respect, mentally, emotionally. If say you like to see pornographic photos you have no respect for yourself. If you want to eat filth, you have no respect for yourself. You do not think much of yourself. You want to waste your eyes, you want to waste your attention with this. You shouldn’t like anything that is absurd, useless, frivolous. You shouldn’t charge your chakras with something nonsensical and filthy. When you start respecting yourself you will really know how to respect others. Those who cannot respect themselves cannot respect others. And respect that [which] is good in others. And do not worry about their faults but respect them for their good, so that you also have good in you and you respect yourself. That is not asserting, this respect is never asserting, it’s very comforting, extremely comforting. A person who respects himself is the most congenial person to live with. He doesn’t come forward too much, neither he recedes back too much. He’s just there. Like a wise man, you know he’s there: you can always approach such a person. He doesn’t do anything outwardly. He doesn’t try to show off. He doesn’t try to create a sort of an aura about him. He’s not boasting about himself. Ego can be easily handled if you respect yourself. Then you will not feel hurt. Because who can be insulting but yourself to yourself? Supposing there are some dogs barking at an elephant, he just, “Swish, swish,” he goes on like that. Have you seen an elephant? Very interesting. He walks and his majestic way. And he finds some dog barking he just, “Swish, swish!” Very nicely he does. He puts them like that, you see. Like a little child whistling at that and goes on its own majestic way. He says, “Oh you doggy! It’s all right, come along.” He is not bothered as to how they treat him. They bark at him and he just walks, in his dignity. That’s why we say that an elephant is a very dignified animal. It walks with its dignity. A person like that doesn’t take to cheap fashions and cheap things: he is in his own dignity. He does not try to adjust himself to the norms of things that they have created. You cannot play into the hands of these bogus people, who say that your weight should be, I don’t know how much, and your this thing should be so much. All the women trying to do that. Tomorrow they may come and say your hair should be so long. So you become like this, so all the women trying to do that. You must wear wigs, so everybody is trying to wear wigs. You don’t play into their hands anymore once you start respecting yourself. Like in India, they started a fashion of sleeves you see. They started first from here, so much sleeves. Then they said, “So much sleeves, so much sleeves,” then some said, “So much sleeves!” Then some said, “So much sleeves!” You see, it goes on. So somebody asked me, “What about you?” I said, “I had them from my, the very beginning, and I am going to have them that way only, because it’s too much to run this race. I cannot!” Because I have a tailor who does this job, now, I have no time to waste for all this nonsense, and why? What is the need? Whatever has been found out traditionally is accepted. And you will find all these fashions drop out just like that! Now, in our saris also, we have fashions come up. There was a fashion of sari where they wanted to have a mini saris. Whatever fashions you have they want to have the fashion! (laughter) And you don’t know about this? It’s very interesting. They used to have mini saris. So mini saris could be only up to this point. And they started going up, up to this point, you know. Some people tried to do it on all them, and then they gave up, they said, “It’s nothing doing! It doesn’t look nice, you see.” And it was started by a company because they wanted to sell more yarn, you see. By mini saris they could sell more yarn and charge the same for a sari because half-sari and you sell it as a mini. It’s only mini, and money is double! So they tried it! But it failed in India, so the sari remains the same. Then they started printing only the front part of the saris, this is a new fashion, then another. I said, “Nothing doing! You better buy one traditional sari which lasts you all your life!” You can sort it out. All these things fall off, you see. Like in Victorian times they must have worked out many things — it falls off. Then something [else] falls off. Something traditional that is there may not be useful today but something eternally traditional will be there all your life. That is really traditional. Whichever falls off, which goes off, people find it useless, it is no good, then throw it out. Now many things that you are doing, for example nowadays people are putting those pins inside the cheeks. Now, they are putting them I have seen them: putting them in nose there, putting a pin here; putting a pin here. This all will go away! After some time you will find them putting something in their hair. Let them do it. They are foolish people. But this is nothing. They can do something in a very subtle manner, you see. Like the Elizabethan collar you had. Because Queen Elizabeth had some problem in the back here, so they started Elizabethan collar. So everybody started wearing an Elizabethan collar. Then, at the time of Victoria, she had some sort of a problem at the back here. So, she started a thing [and] everybody started wearing it — why? You have your attire, dress, your sitting position. Your thinking itself is not fashioned by others, it is only fashioned through your vibratory awareness. Immediately if you read a book, you come on to the point and you say, “Oh! This is not true in this, but it is this what is true in this!” Immediately you start scanning the books: you know which is the true book, which is not the true book. You just don’t read nonsense, because you know it’s all falsehood, it’s all story telling. You do not want to read something nonsensical. So you just understand the sense and the nonsense of it. So it works out. And that’s how, when you start respecting yourself, respecting your thoughts, respecting your inspirations, your dreams, your aspirations, your visions — write them down. Whatever thought you get, write it down. Whatever inspiration you get, write it down. Whatever visions you think you should have for yourself, write it down. All that you think that should be the future, write it down, and pray for it. The greatest quality on this one is when you respect yourself. When you respect yourself, you are respected. By whom? By the Gods, by the Divine Force, by all the angels, and whatever you want to do will be done. Then it comes, “Thy will be done!” But that will has to come out of respect for yourself. If it is coming out of some other considerations, for example, now in Bombay they want to have an ashram. People have all funny ideas about ashrams. They want to have an ashram: why having this ashram? Some people are very clever, I know all of them. And they think they can make some money out of it — foolish things as they are. Then some of them think that by staying there, “We can pass our old age very nicely, it will be a cheap thing, because Mataji is not going to charge anything extra, so it will be a nice cheap thing. Let’s buy that.” Some of them are thinking, “It’s a very good place where, in young age we can go there and, it will be a good idea, we can run away from work. We'll stay in the ashram and after all Sahaja Yoga won’t be that hard work you see. So it will be nice living there.” All these considerations, when they are in the minds of the people you will never get your ashram done, take it from me. “We’ll sleep till ten o’clock, who is going to wake us up?” “We’ll do whatever we like in the ashram. We’ll use it for our own purpose,” “We will not do any meditation. We will not do anything, whatsoever!” “We’ll do no work at all. We’ll not help anything in the organising of Sahaja Yoga or an organising people, we will not bring them.” After all what will happen? You’ll lose your vibrations. If you respect yourself, the expression of your Self must be respected. Tell your body to behave itself, tell your mind to behave itself, and tell your emotions to behave itself. I have seen people hankering after a girlfriend or a boyfriend and asking for this and asking for that. And then coming to me and telling, “Mother, what can I do about this girlfriend or a boyfriend?” or some sort of a thing like that. All these things are not going to help you. You have to respect yourself. You are an entity by yourself. You are not going to bow down to anyone. You are not going to accept anything that is not respectable for you. And this is how you are going to manage your Right Side. Now the centre part is very important in your seeking. In your seeking you have to know that you are seeking your Spirit. You are seeking that your attention should now pour through your Spirit. You are not seeking the Spirit but you are going to become one with the Spirit. That is [what] your seeking is. For that, it is very important to know about your own chakras. You must know how they are caught up and face up to it. You must face the truth there. You have to be absolutely honest and truthful about it — that’s the point in the centre. If you are honest, the centre point will work out. For example, I’ll tell you: I cured a gentleman who was suffering from cancer. I cured him, all right. He has gone away. He didn’t even write a letter of thanks. And if anybody asks him he says, “Oh no, still I am waiting.” Four years have passed, three years have passed, he says, “I am still waiting for it. I don’t know.” He was to die in three month’s time! He has been dishonest to God. He should have told people, “No, Mother has cured me!” Then he gets back his cancer. And then he blames God for that. So truth must be accepted. You have to be truthful and honest for the central path — absolute on the truth. "Yes, this is the truth we have found out, we have felt the vibrations.” “We are not feeling the vibrations,” or there is some mixture. “Yes, I am catching on this.” There are many people say, “No Mother, I’m not catching!” I know what is happening to them. They tell lies. Who are you telling lies?

“Knots on the Three Channels,” public programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 2 October 1978. [The Principle] of Brahma is there, is the principle of that pulsating part, that power within us, which we have to feel, and which pulsates in everything. It happens with Sahaja Yoga, no doubt, that the Kundalini rises, but that is not the end of it, because [the] human being is the instrument in which this light is manifested. But once it is manifested it is not necessary that it would be all the time burning properly. There is a possibility, mostly it is a possibility, that the light can go out. If a wind upside is against it, then it can go out. It can also subside a little bit. It may come out it may flicker, it may dwindle a little bit. Because human beings, as they are, they have got into three complications. As soon as they become human beings these three complications start in them. And because of three, these three complications, one has to know that if you have to get out of that you have to break certain knots — they are called as granthis in the Sanskrit language — which are giving you this falsehood — is the vitathat (वितथता —falsehood). Falsehood that we think that, “In this world, after all everything is science, and everything is what we see and everything beyond…” And all those sorts of things are really false because, unless and until you rise into Reality, you believe in them: After all what is God? And what is all this talk of religion? What is the talk of Christ? And what is the talk of all these things? So all these problems become sort of identified with you. Absolutely you believe in the falsehood all the time. You are more concerned about the falsehood than about the truth. Even if you are concerned about the truth, when you are born with the seeker’s mind, then you try to seek and you try to think of something that is beyond, you try to understand that there must be something beyond and something must happen. But still, you are bound by these three complications in life, by which we accept the world as it is. Because we do not know the Reality. The problem is we do not know the Reality. Till we come inside the Reality, we really do not know even what is Reality, what is the basic substance of our being, how do we live, what is the subtle being, how do we live and what is our aim, what we have to fulfil — all these questions are very vague in our mind. Then we start seeking here and there, we go round here and there and try to find out. We talk to people, we read books and especially we go to books which are philosophical and try to find out about what must be done about Reality. Why are we drawn towards this? Why are we not happy? Why do we feel dissatisfied in life? Why do we all the time hanker after sometimes, something and we do not feel fulfilled within ourselves and, why don’t we understand the meaning of our own being? Why are we driven like this? All these questions come to us…please come in! All these questions come to us and we start seeking about it. And actually our priorities, before we get into it, are so false because we do not know Reality. So I mean, it’s not your fault, itself, if you do not know Reality, and then naturally…For example, [for] somebody, to catch the train itself is very important, then to go in time is very important, then to get some money is important and to get to a house is important, and then to have some children is important. All these things become very much more important than they should be. While the main thing, that is to seek within yourself [is neglected]: the point of what are we to seek and what is so important about it, that every scripture has talked about this, that you must seek within yourself, you must find out yourself who you are. What is the reason? Why all of them have been so much stressing? So until you enter into it you will not know. It is such a vicious circle, because of these three complications I was telling you about. Because if, as it is described, that your Spirit is absolutely a detached personality, it’s a detached being; it is not contaminated by anything. It is absolutely complete by itself. It is joy, it is bliss, it is the truth. And where are we then? Why are we in such a mood that we have something very important for us in our life, very special for us? We think that, “Oh, this must be done. I must get myself insured! I must do these things.” Then why, if that Spirit is such a powerful thing, then what is the complication? What are the complications we have and how do we get rid of these complications? Through your evolution from the amoeba stage, you can say, even from the absolutely from the, we call it the jad (जड), the dead, from the absolutely from the material stage to this state, it has achieved quite a lot of detachment in a way. The detachment has come in a way that you understand that you are not the dead; no, you are not. That much at least everybody knows, that you are not. There are so many things you are identified with but at least you know that you are not dead. With the growth of materialism and by changing matter and its forms and all that, then you realise one more thing: that matter doesn’t give us happiness. I mean many people through evolution realise it: that matter is not the end of our lives and it is not going to give us happiness. Then, in the subtler form, when you evolve even more, then you go into the arts and the beauty of the matter: then you start seeing [a] little deeper than what the matter means to you, and you start thinking about its beauty, its forms, its combinations and its harmony. So the subtleties about matter develop, up to a point, through your rationality and understanding, that you realise that this art, also has its finite nature: I mean how far can you go with it? And even if you have art and you become an artist and you are aesthetically very rich…there are people who can be called as masters of art and those who are really aesthetically evolved people, but if you go and see their lives you get a shock you realise what kind of artists are these? I mean, they are producing art and beautiful things and nothing goes inside! They are very materialistic, they can be mad people or they can be absolutely obnoxiously boring. So why is it that these artists, those who are creating all this, [which is] supposed to be something which is joy-giving, are so boring themselves and nothing goes inside them! And apart from that they are so oppressive, and so much sometimes can be very egoistical or can be very, very methodical or meticulous and they could be absolutely mathematical about things. You start understanding that they are not that abstract, as they produce. They give some ideas, some projections they do, but they may not be so. So again you start thinking: how is it that this matter, which has gone to this subtle state, which is called as art and artists, why is it that this matter has not anything in it to offer us of that eternal value or of that nature which is promised to us through our scriptures? So some people do at this point, definitely they step over, I would say, or they just collapse on that point. In the sense then they think, “Oh, then there is nothing like scriptures. It's all a mess. It’s all wrong. There may not be anything. It’s a tall story told to us. And there may not be any truth about it, that there is all pervading power and there is this God and you can become one with God. It cannot be true. After all you can see that there is so much of poverty in this world, there is so much of pain in this world, people are so unhappy, how can there be a God Who can tolerate all this?” I get letters of that kind many a times, you see, that, “How people are so unhappy and they are this and that and then how can you talk of God?” So this is the one complication we have and this is the complication comes because the Atma, the Spirit, is enveloped by our attention into the matter; because the matter has risen, our attention has come from outward, and it has risen up to a point where there is a knot by which we cannot see the Spirit but we see the matter. This knot, I mean there’s a big controversy about names. I would not like you to confuse it but we can say like that, this knot is the knot which is the knot between the Spirit and the matter which is called as jad-prakruti (जड प्रकृति) in the Sanskrit language. This is the first knot which is a very difficult knot. We think, “This jug is mine.” And we think, “This chair is mine.” Even if somebody offers you a chair, “Come along sit here!” and the another person is sitting little bit lower, she’ll say, “Oh, she has given her a chair which is higher!” All kinds of complications human beings have! You know, it’s very delicate they are. They are so foolishly, sometimes, identified with things, like supposing a person…if you go more and more in the politics now, there’s a prime minister and he thinks that someone is sitting on a chair, and he thinks that somebody is going to occupy that chair, then all kinds of funny things start in his mind and all kinds of complications start. And he thinks that he’ll be dislodged from that chair by which he’s been a prime minister, so he starts working out his own plans and things. I mean the priorities are so much changed! Then you will start what you call canvassing for him and everybody going for an election, and everybody fighting. I mean, the whole world is a madhouse at these things: how to achieve that chair, that position, by which he can become the prime minister. And the other one doesn’t come. The other side working it out and, you see, it is very ‘important’. But what is he putting on the chair, is another dead stuff. You see one dead is adorned by another dead. He’s dead as far as so many things are concerned which are thought as the truth, because he doesn’t know the truth. Now supposing you make somebody as a high priest. Now he is a high priest on a chair. To me, I see one dead thing sitting on another dead thing, that’s all. Because the chair doesn’t understand these things, the one who’s put on the chair doesn’t understand anything either, because it hasn't got the awareness to see what is the truth. So what’s the use of doing such a jocular thing? It’s really a joke, but people are very serious about it indeed. Very serious things, absolutely, they do all kinds of things for these elections. It's so serious, but if you stand from this angle and you should see that you start looking at it and you say, “What’s this? I never expected. What’s all going on?” You see, it’s quite silly. But we have to accept it because we have misidentified through this one granthi, or you can call it this knot of the jadaprakruthi or what you call as this matter. Now for a Sahaja Yogi it is essential to see how far he is identified with his jadaprakruthi. It’s very important to see how far is he identified with his, what you call the attachment or the covering of this deadening. All that is subconscious is, all what you call conditioning, is done. Everything that is dead is dead. Whether it is your dead matter or a dead thought, it’s just the same. And the more you hover on it. You see, there are silly people I have known: I mean they have come to me in their thing. Supposing a wife has died, say about thirty-five years back. So he is here weeping and crying, writing poetry about her. She’s dead about twenty-five years back. She might have been reborn as a child somewhere or something like that. He can’t marry her again, nothing of the kind, but he’s writing poetry about her, crying, weeping. And he expects everybody to weep. There are people, I have seen, they sit down and they just weep about it. They just play records and things, melancholy things and just wasting all their precious tears on something that is dead and finished. Now, there’s no need to weep about it, but they’ll go on like that and they enjoy such a thing very much and they appreciate it very much. It’s most surprising! But people go on wasting their energy, they enjoy it in a way, the way it is written down, the whole melancholy of singing their damaged experiences and remembering them in your memory. Whatever was false, actually should become nothing in your mind when you reach Reality. So the memory in a Sahaja Yogi is of no value, much value. Because whatever he had, was in a dead condition. He was not sensitive to All-pervading Power at that time. He was just dealing with dead stuff. And that was what I was surprised when many people told me that, “Mother, after becoming a Sahaja Yogi now we can't read any more melancholy poets.” I said, “Thank God a lot of time is now saved for meditation!” Otherwise imagine all of them coming with very melancholy faces to me, and saying that, “Mother you know, this poet has written…” Already there are bombardments of people who read all kinds of books, that, “Why such a person should write like that? And why such a person should write like that?” In the same way they would say, why is such a person like Lord Byron? I don’t even see his face when we pass that way! I say he’s really melancholia personified! And he made everybody miserable himself! What was he crying about? I mean if you see his life: whom did he make happy? He made everyone happy, and was crying all the time and still making everybody unhappy? So this kind of a person is there! All this is dead and takes you towards the dead. So dead and dead things can never give you happiness. On the contrary it gives you habits, they give you habits. And these habits come to you like, say, you are habituated to sit on the chair, you cannot sit on the ground. Now if I tell the Sahaja Yogis they must learn to sit on the ground they will immediately start that, “We must sit on the ground!” That’s not the point! What I am saying [is] the habit the chair has given should be got rid of. But for that you don’t waste your energies, for heaven’s sake! Because if I say that then you shouldn’t try wasting your energy in getting rid of the habits that were there. On the contrary if you put your attention to your Spirit, to what you have achieved, to where you are, gradually you’ll find your habits will drop out like that. You have known that. We have had alcoholics with us here; terrible alcoholics who could not give up alcohol, and they have given up. We have had people who have taken drugs; they have given up without any difficulties. Cigarettes they have given up. There are also some higher vices and bigger vices also people have given up. And some vices which one cannot mention, people have given up. So this happens when your attention goes to your Spirit. And this is a very big detachment that comes to you through your ascent, into that realm where you feel the All-pervading. Means automatically your detachment works. Means your attention has felt, definitely, that oneness with Reality. Otherwise why are you getting detached? And spontaneously it happens. Suddenly you’ve matured so much. Sahaja Yogis matured so fast. I mean it's a jet-like maturity, I think. Because when they rise nobody understands. Whenever they say something people say, “What are you talking about?” Because they are at such a different level that others just don’t understand what they are talking about, and they find it very difficult to understand. [The] easiest thing, whatever they talk, the others say, “What, what are you saying about, we don’t follow?” So the attention when it enters into that, your habits drop out. But for that it is essential that your attention should be on your Spirit. Now what is the beauty of Spirit for a Sahaja Yogi? What does he get out of the Spirit? What is the manifestation of Spirit is? That when his attention is absolutely one with the Atman, with the Spirit, then there is a manifestation of vibrations. You start getting cool breeze in your hands. Now these vibrations are there from the very beginning of the matter, up to the vibrations where you come up to a human level. You can call them, these are like, electromagnetic vibrations. But when they go on improving. You see, in the beginning, they just look like electromagnetic, then they look like more. There is emotions in it. Then you go little ahead, then you find that these vibrations also act, these vibrations also think, they also report. So gradually you will find that with the growth of human being, as a human being from matter, these vibrations have also manifested into different categories. To begin with, these vibrations are only electromagnetic, you can say, in the matter. Say if you have Sulphur Dioxide as a molecule you will find sulphur and dioxide both are vibrating all the time like that. But when it goes on manifesting more and more — that’s the basics — then gradually the manifestation of these higher things can be perceived through our understanding of Sahaja Yoga. But for a normal person it is only electromagnetic. Now supposing a matter, which is, say, just a matter, say a dead matter, it is. Now it is not aware that it has got vibrations to begin with. It is not aware. It doesn’t even think about it. I mean, it has no awareness at all of any kind, it’s just dead. So, but there are vibrations, there are electromagnetic vibrations, but it is not aware. Now supposing such a dead matter, if you tell that dead matter that you have vibrations it will say, “What are you talking about? I have never felt!” But somebody else can feel it, that there are electromagnetic vibrations. In the same way every human being has got these vibrations within him in the Spirit. But they are only manifested when he gets Realisation. So, the second category of the same thing, the same vibrations, start expressing higher and higher qualities about it. Like from one seed a tree grows and the flowers come out, and they give fragrance: like that the growth is more and more. But the basic is electromagnetic vibrations that you can feel it everywhere in the matter with your naked eyes, a human being can see it. Now see your own growth. Have you recognised it that animals don’t know that there are electromagnetic vibrations, but human beings have? But a Sahaja Yogi knows that there are not only electromagnetic but there are all kinds of manifestations of these vibrations. So electromagnetic are important at a point and then other vibrations are even much more important. So all these vibrations are coming, combined together, absolutely completely, in a human being, which they manifest gradually. And they act according to the need of the time. So much so that in these vibrations there is somebody who thinks, the vibrations who think, the vibrations who cooperate, who cure, who relay things, who report things. All that you think in the human awareness that you are doing it, like telecommunications, you have got big telecommunications: sitting down here you can show some things that are happening in India or something like that. In the same way these vibrations can report thing to you. The complete telecommunication is built in these vibrations! Then you can cure people sitting down here. You can raise their kundalinis sitting down here. You can work out on people sitting down here. All these far fetched things are possible. Those who have been Sahaja Yogis have realised it and seen it and worked it out. And it’s most surprising. Now we have a lady here sitting down: her husband used to drink a lot, everybody knows the story very well. And we just sent some vibrations and he’s stopped his drinking. And just to convince that through vibrations it was done I used something which is very simple, is a lime, a living lime. And we put our vibrations into that and we put them near the head of the patient and they suck the negativity of the person and the person gives up drinking. You have seen one boy who used to come here, a little boy, who would run all over the places and would not sit down even for a minute. He was possessed, he was horrid. And now he’s a sensible boy. He’s started going to school. He never used to utter even a word, now he’s started speaking. So all these things happened with the lime. Now he said, “How is it, Mother, a lime is such a thing now?” For a very, sort of, up to date person, it is a little funny to see limes being used for vibrations! But they are actually ultra-modern things you know, they are ultra-modern. I am not talking of only modern but ultra-modern things are limes; are the very ultra-modern things. Because you vibrate the ultra-modern limes by your vibrations, and you put them under the pillow. Now these limes have a speciality. And this have been found out by many people long time back: that they have a speciality to suck in the vibrations and contain the vibrations or to, not only electromagnetic, but quite a lot of vibrations can be in it, because they are living and they have a coefficience. They have a kind of coefficience by which they suck in these vibrations in them, and then they relay, they throw these vibrations whenever it is necessary. It is not the limes who do it but the vibrations who are contained in them that they do. How? I will tell you. You can think of a battery being created. You create a battery. Now the battery cannot do anything but if you take the battery near some points then it starts working because it is inside it. In the same way we really make it into a battery. When they are near the heads of the people, these limes, they are doing nothing, but these vibrations come out and they start working it out. It’s a perfect team. They do it, they know, they are perfect. You don’t have to tell them. They understand much more than you do. They are controlled much better and they know how to find the ways to extract the negativity, which sounds very funny to other people. That’s why I tell all the Sahaja Yogis, “Don’t give out all the secrets just now. Let them come in slowly. Let them settle down, let them get vibrations and then we’ll talk.” Because I have seen if you not only talk, but if they see that I am handling some limes, some people run away, thinking that it's all hocus-pocus. They don’t want to believe in it. Really it is a fact! Because people believe in some sort of a funny thing. Supposing I have big circus and all those things that the people do, I don’t know what all they do, but some sort of a funny thing, you see, they like it. For example, if I make you all jump on your heads and shout loudly and make some nuisance out of it there will be thousands coming to this group I can assure you. But if you are really knowing about Reality and if you are handling the vibrations within you people won’t come. And that’s why many people go to that. Why? Because the same, the complication, the complication is still at work you see. So to please them you have to use the complications. And those who do not want people to know Reality or those who I would say do not know Reality, those people who just want to make use of all this, they use this complication. So they try on human beings and that’s how they trap the disciples and that’s how they manage thousands of people bringing money and giving them honour and all those things which are useless for a person who has known Reality. For him money makes no difference. I mean he understands the joke of the money and he understands the joke of everything else. But those who want to use this complication. So this one is described, I will use the name that was used by Shankaracharya. Because everybody is not a realised-soul and of a great authority, but we have to have some people as authority. So Shankaracharya has called this as Brahmagranthi he calls it Brahmagranthi. Brahmagranthi he says, because the Brahma is the vibrating force, Brahma is Om. That is the vibrating force. Because it’s the vibrations, that’s why he calls it as the Brahmagranthi. Now the second one is the one by which we think that we can do something. Now this one is the superego one, the first one I told you about: creates the superego, this granthi, the knot. How do you have a knot? I’ll give you an example of a balloon, say, for example, a balloon. Now a balloon has lots of air in it, but it will all pass out, it won’t be there, if there is no knot there. But if there is a knot you can hold the balloon all right. And this is the balloon we have in our head which we call as superego, which we can see here clearly. Can you show them? The black one, you know. The black, real one, is this one: is the superego by which you get possessed, and you get all mad and you do all kinds of things. This is the Brahmagranthi. This knot is there. And this knot, first starts at the Mooladhara. It starts from there. The knot starts from there, can you imagine! It starts from there! Because this one is made of prithvi-tattwa, is made of the earth element, so from the very beginning from the earth element itself, the knot starts. But as there is a knot: you see, when you make a knot always there is an unwinding, always. You come by a staircase you always can go down it. Is there a staircase by which you cannot go down but only come up? In the same way, if you have made a knot, there must be a way of going out of the knot. So the going out of the knot is worked out through Sahaj Yog. That also is done through vibrations. That the first, this knot, has to be released. Once this knot is released then only the Kundalini starts. This is the first knot. This is much more important. So this first knot is very strong among Indians and is not so strong with you people. Though in a way you have done one great harm but this one is not so strong in you people, at least those who are seekers. You are not so materialistic: in the sense at least in your rationality, I think you are. But I would say that you are not so much worried about your food and things like that, so much as the Indians are. I mean they can’t help it. They have to worry about their food and all these things. Of course you get your doles, you are not so much worried about these things. But there is also another problem that comes up with all this affluence, that in a very subtle way, very subtle way, you are materialistic, you are. Because if there is 1p increase, the whole thing topples down, which won’t happen in India. Even if there is a 3p increase nobody would bother, because they'll say, “Alright, we'll not eat that, we'll have another one!” Because they are so much used to a kind of calamity all the time falling on them. “All right if we can’t get bread, we’ll make something else, all right.” So like that they are not so much disturbed as you people are. Because you become over-sensitive, even to your materialism you are very sensitive and your materialism starts becoming so funny that it amounts to fuss, and it’s fussy. It’s a fussy materialism which is such a headache, I tell you, that I mean even what people are wearing and how they are dressed…Now supposing you are wearing a suit, then they say it’s not good because, “He’s a very suity fellow. He’s a suity fellow.” Now if he is not wearing a suit, then, “He’s very casual,” you see. Sort of everything has a name something like that. And everything can be discarded under some banner or something. I mean who has got time to think about who is wearing what, who’s a suity or a booty or whatever it is? But these things make you sort of brand a person, that a person, his house is like this, then he must be like this. It is not so. It is not. Here the knot is so subtle in the sense that rationality, gives you this sense, that by judging it, that by that you judge a person, you judge a person, by his appearance. Say supposing I wear a horn, you can say, and I try to do some tricks, some jugglery for you. Supposing I show you some money, taking out some sort of a ring or something like that. It may really make you feel that, “There must be something about it!” Or even higher than that if I say that, “All right, you can have your sex habits as you like. You can have ten women around you. It doesn’t matter and you can meet God.” And if you see someone like that you can call him a sadhu, you can. I mean, it is such a big myth, it is such a big falsehood. It is absolutely nothing but, I would say, complete darkness, it is. But people will accept it, because it will sound very fantastic to them, because it will support that materialism that exists within a person like that. In India, say there is a saint and who says that by sex you will go to God. Immediately people will jump on him, because we are so much endowed with sex energy, hoping we are going to get these higher things. All these things happen in a society which is supposed to be absolutely non-materialistic. So this materialism works out and this granthi, what I call the Brahmagranthi, is the involvement, or you can say the falsehood, the falsehood, of matter . The falsehood of matter works through this and one goes on believing it and believing it. So the second thing starts with it that people say, “Let us give up this falsehood.” And they start all kinds of another artificial methods. After all, materialism gives you artificiality, in the sense that when your attention is involved into things which are not real, which is not Reality, then naturally it is an artificial stuff — everything becomes artificial. And when the artificiality becomes too much, then what happens, artificially you try to give it up. This is the second side of it. The second side of it is artificially you think, “We should give it up.” For example, you will say, “All right, from today I am going to wear a dress like an ascetic!” We had some people who said that, “We cannot give up these dresses of primitive people.” I said, “But why?” “Because we want to become primitive!” Now you cannot become primitive. It’s a fact! You must accept it. Yes, all right, dress up as you like, it’s nothing important. You [can] dress up like anything but you don’t think [that] by dressing up anything you are going to become anything — nothing! It is not important at all. Whatever way you may dress up, whatever things you may dress up, whatever you may do, has no bearing on your inner yoga. Inner yoga works out by itself, it works out through chakras, it goes inside, it’s a subtle thing which is a detached thing from, how you dress: how you walk, how you talk is not the point. Once this yoga works out then of course, the things change outside; because your faces glow, you become magnetic, you talk in a way which is authoritative, you start curing people, you start doing many things which shows that you are a different person: that’s a very different thing altogether. But normally by doing it outside, artificially doing something: this is another kind of a granthi, you can call a knot. And this knot starts by identifying yourself, by thinking that if you do something then you are going to achieve it. By sort of doing some sort of an effort or by doing some sort of a penance or standing on your heads or so called Hatha Yoga, or all these things that people do in the name of God also. All these things you think you are going to achieve, is another falsehood. Because with this falsehood that knot becomes stronger and stronger. Doing anything, is what you call the Rajoguna, is the Rajoguna, is the Right side action. The Left Side action just now I described to you, which starts from the Mooladhara. And the Right Side action, which is the Rajoguna which is within you, which is the activity within us, by which we do something, we want to do something; which is done through our ahamkara, is through our ego which is there. And all this also, doesn’t lead you anywhere, because whatever you do, you do not do any living work, you do all dead. Supposing you have made this chair: what have you done? You have just changed a tree into a dead stuff and then made a chair, that’s all — dead into dead. You have created all this, it’s all dead and that is all dead. Any living work human beings have done? Nothing. And, if evolution is a living process you are doing all living: you have to do something living. On the contrary if you are doing something dead and believing that you are doing something living, then it’s even a greater falsehood. But if you realise that we are doing nothing, that is living, [and that] for that something has to happen, that we should be endowed with that Power by which we do living things: if this is accepted then the thing works out, otherwise not. If people think, “No, I am the prime minister!” say, “I am the king!” “I am the XYZ!” you may be anything, still for God you are a dead person. It matters nothing to God. You might be an engineer, all right you are, you arrange, say for example you arrange a machinery or something to work out. Even if you go to Moon, what is it? Dead going to the dead and coming back dead! What have you achieved? Going to the Moon, what did you get? Those stones, things, and what are you going to [do] put them in, on your heads? What living thing have you done out if it? Just think it over. What efforts! What mind! Then coming to religion, also we behave in the same manner. We think if we go to church, now for example — some people believe in it. Of course, I mean some of you are sensible enough to understand that by going to church and listening to a priest you are not going to achieve anything. Is a sensible thing, that way. But even by going to temples, you are not going to achieve it, take it from me. Going to any lectures, you are not going to achieve it. They are just going to talk, talk, talk, which is a dead thing, which becomes a dead in your mind [and[ nothing but conditioning takes place. By reading books, you are not going to achieve it either. Books are dead: you read the books [and] you accumulate more dead on your left hand side. By the Right side, you do the thing by accumulating the Left Side. But you use also the Left Side for your Right side. Because if you have read a book, then, so, “Yes, yes, yes! You see! Now Mataji is not that person, you see, because there was in this book this was written and how Mataji explains that?” So all the time you are playing with these two knots within you Rajoguna and Tamoguna: these two knots are within you and that’s why your attention is not on the Spirit. Third is the Sattvoguna, you can call it: the one by which we try to know God; is the one by which we try to see things that, “No, this is not all right!” “We give up this and give up that and we should take to Rajoguna.” But we should give up Rajoguna and we should take to Sattvoguna: is the central path, where we try to say, “We must be God. But what can we do to be God?” As I have told you, people think that by meditating [you can]. Some people have told me “Oh, I have been meditating Mother for the last twenty-five years!” “Now,” I said, “what have you been meditating?” I mean, there have been people I have known who have been ‘meditating’. But where, and how? It’s funny, you know, how people can do it. We had neighbours there, and somebody had given them a mantra and he was a man, a very big man, I should say, he was really governor of the Reserve Bank of India! And they would get up four o'clock till six o’clock, they were meditating and saying some sort of a mantra, absolutely rumble tumble, and they were doing it and doing it and doing it till it was about twenty years! Till they absolutely became dilapidated, their hands became like this, feet became like this and swollen bodies and all that, and then they died. Till then they were going on and on until the end! And even when they were laid down in bed they could not move on, still they were on with it! They had become completely dead. You won’t believe how they had become. I wish I had shown you their photographs. Absolutely bedridden, and their bodies were swollen up and they could not even move their legs and food was given to them and somebody used to take them out and do everything. I mean, they couldn’t move any part of their body, they were all deadened and finished, like that, and still they were saying the mantras! I said, “Now when are you going to get the fruit of all these mantras?” They said, “You see our mother…” They have a mother, and their mother has promised that, “When you will die you will get it.” They died and nothing happened! The body was so heavy nobody could lift it, and it was a big problem. So they were deadening themselves, all the time they were deadening and deadening! Instead of going towards life, they were deadening themselves only. Now, I could not tell them anything because they were not very willing to listen to me. They had become so much addicted to that habit of saying mantra, that even doctors could not do anything about it, nobody could do, they would not take any medicine, they were just doing mantras only. Their mouth was saying mantra and the whole body was stiff like that! And they died and people said, “What great people have died, you know! We must take their darshanas they have died.” Now, you start looking at them and you say, “Now, what to do?” And the people they came and they said, “Oh, great people have died! Then they took the name of God till the end!” And then you blame God: “Why is that they took the name of God and why did they die like that?” I mean you must see where you are hitting your head! Supposing that is the door and if you go on hitting your head here and then you say, “Mother we hit our head for twenty years why didn’t you find the way?” I mean this is not the way! The way is there. That’s the way you have to get it. If this is not the way, why are you hitting there? This is because of the Rajoguna problems, the Rajoguna problem that we can do something about it. People just cannot believe that you cannot do anything about it, because in a very, very subtle way Mr. E-G-O is present! You say anything to them immediately it comes up like a snake, I have seen it. “Oh, Mataji said that! No, I can’t bear it! Why did she say that?” I mean, why did I say, means I see things and that’s why I am saying! You will also come on this side one day and you will start seeing. And what I say [whether] is absolute truth or not you can verify it! But why should I say, is the main point! I don’t want to disturb you. I have brought you here and I have called you here to give you something special. All right now if that is so, let us have a compact of it, some sort of a compact deal about it, that I give you something and then you receive it and the compact, the whole thing, should work in you, and then you decide about it. Instead of that if one word you say, immediately the snake [of ego] comes, “Oh! She said this to us, let’s walk out!” Now what should I say? “You are all right”? “You need not seek. You are perfect”? Is that the way should I pamper your ego? No, it should not be so. Neither do I condemn anybody. I do not say that, “It is because you are like this ,you are condemned!” — no! But you must see the Reality, that you are not there as yet, the Reality has not come to you, you must see the Reality as a whole. For example, I am a Mother and you are hitting your head here. Now if I tell you, “My child for heaven's sake don’t hit your head, you will break your head. Go there, there’s the door.” Then you say, “I’m on my own, who are you to tell me?” Now this is a bit too much for a Mother to bear. Now she says, “Please see, this is the door you get out of this door.” That’s why you need a Mother, you don’t need anybody else. Because anybody else would just say, “Oh, all right, you go ahead! Break your head and finished with everything! Good riddance of the bad rubbish!” But a Mother is not like that. She thinks about it, she thinks, “Oh, my children are there, they are seeking, they are seekers. I have to go on telling them and telling them, so that at least they open themselves.” But they’ll go on hitting their heads, whatever you may try, unless and until this wisdom comes into the head. And it’s such a vicious circle, I tell you. The wisdom cannot come till this lowest granthi breaks, the lowest knot breaks, where a person starts understanding one simple point: that human beings cannot do it. God has to do it. So the surrendering starts. God has to do it. You cannot do it. Only thing we have to say [is], “Oh, Lord please!” that’s all. You have to just knock at the door. You don’t have to argue out whether Christ was correct or not, whether Buddha was correct or not — don’t discuss any dogmas. All these people, all those who are supposed to be in charge of religions, have created nothing but useless dogmas to quarrel and fight! And I was amazed to see these people when they have their meetings: “We have to discuss who is going to be elected for this and what is going to be the agenda for the budget of this thing, and then lastly what will be the menu for the next year?” That’s all they do! I mean if that is God’s job, I am quite surprised and you should be. I mean is this the way these people are going to bring Reality within you by bringing you all kinds of unreal and useless things? And they are doing it, and we are in it all the time, we are in it, we are identified with it because see we think… (end of side one of tape) …this yellow stuff, you see, absolutely. It gives you also. To me, it gives me a feeling of nausea as well. Most of these people, egoistical, have bad liver and also they have, they get this trouble of migraine. And also they get all liver problems and this yellow colour especially is expressing their liver temperaments. Then on top of that, they think, “What’s wrong in doing anything?” Already we are on one side then, “What’s wrong?” then starts, then we start drinking, because we must deny all that is good. Now let me tell you one thing: whatever things people do which are egoistical, the things that they do that destroys them. It’s sort of a thing [that] they want to destroy themselves. Perhaps in a subtle way their ego wants to destroy itself. It is such a thing that they work it out in such a sub-human way. For example, for a person like me, that I cannot understand a man who goes to a pub and sees another person coming in and falling down all over: you see such a man coming out then how do you enter in? It’s like a lunatic asylum! I mean if you go to lunatic asylum and you see a lunatic coming out, then you would not like to go inside. But this, I can’t understand how human beings do. They see. Now you know it very well that nobody so far has been even honoured because he’s a drunkard. Has there been anybody in the whole world? While the whole world drinks, but is there anybody honoured? In the history I would like to know: was anybody honoured? Any man who has deceived his wife and has married ten women has been honoured for that? Is there anybody honoured? I mean they say that many geniuses, I call them geniasses, are like that. Maybe they are just like radiograms from where some music is coming, but it doesn’t do anything inside. And they, if they become your models, you might be becoming geniasses yourself, without even any genius in you. So all funny models we set up but do we ever erect their statues? Do we garland them? Do we worship them? Why? Whatever you may say against Christ, I don’t say that anybody can stop you because you are on your own. You see, [the] on your own trip is one of the worst trips that I could think of. What have you found so far to be on your own? Nothing! You haven’t found your own properties. You haven’t found out your own nature . You have not found out the beauty that you are. What are you all with? Will you go out anywhere without taking any money with you? You don’t even have a ticket! So just it’s a joke, that you are on your own. You are not! You are not, because your own is missing, is missing, it’s not there. We have to find out that own. Our attention should be on that own. And why, why do we always indulge into these three complications all the time. Like even in the centre, is about Sattvoguna. Because we feel many people do feel: that’s also a very modern blessing, I would say, that everyone feels the need to seek. But when you see how Joan of Arc was punished and how things happened in the past, how people were mad and dogmatic and egoistical in the name of religion: you don’t know what to do. You see the funny people! Then you get all these horrible gurus coming here and taking money from you and doing all kinds of things. You think, “What’s all going on?” Then you see people giving you sermons and lectures and all their private life — nothing in them bubbling, nothing so special, nothing so sweet about them — then you feel, “What is this going on?” And that is the central path where you are really seeking and then you say, “No, let me do it myself!” I can assure you, you cannot, it’s not meant to be. It’s funny, I mean if somebody says, “All right you come to my house. Just come down and you’ll get it.” Then why do you want to do it still? What is the reason? There are many people who have been here who don’t like when I tell them, “Please give up this mantra of yours. It’s not going to do any good to you!” They say, “Why Mataji?” As if they become the mantra! And the mantra itself is “Rumble tumble”! Nobody knows a word about Sanskrit! Nobody knows a word about what it means, where to take which mantra. There is no living process behind it — nothing! I am shocked at it sometimes. Sometimes I feel, instead of water you are taking poison. And when you tell about the Reality and you tell them, “This is how it works out, and it has to work out within you. It is an internal working. It is an internal yoga which has to work out, which you have to feel it yourself; you have to see yourself and you have to see it in others, and you have to work it out,” — people don’t like it. This is also because of the third misidentification you have of your Sattvoguna. Because artificiality starts from the very beginning, the artificiality goes on and on, till even you come to Sattvoguna which is the seeking — in seeking also there’s artificiality. Now if I may tell you that I can see you through and through: it’s a fact. I can. Now you put up a show before me, whatever show you want, but I can see it. But I do not show that, I don’t want to show, it’s all right. Sometimes I am very unhappy when I see some people; I know there’s a big problem about them.You haven’t got that experience, but supposing when you become a Sahaj Yogi you will feel it. Those who have got it can feel it. You will feel so concerned about things. And sometimes you feel very elated to see some people are in a very good shape and some are in a very elated shape. I can see you through and through. I can see everything. But still my love is such that it doesn’t allow me to see those things that will recede my attention. I can see my love working it out: It tries to build it and make it. I have to work it out. But then my attention is a very special stuff: it goes to a great extent. Now the love and the attention play a part. In my case my love is in my heart, it’s my Left Side. This one is not. It plays hand in hand with the attention. Now attention is in the centre and my Sahaja Yoga is on the right hand side. So the attention is also very stubborn: it plays, to a point, it goes up to a point, then it recedes back, again, it goes down and says, “All right, forget it! You just can’t do it, not yet.” Because love can also spoil, so they balance. Like in a driving you have an accelerator and a brake. You can put an accelerator to a point but if it goes beyond a point then it might spoil the whole show, so you have to put it down. It has to keep in relation with the whole programme, with all the people around. Now say if there’s a person who comes here who is a very troublesome fellow, he has very bad vibrations, he drinks and he troubles us, and he just comes here to disturb us; he argues. One day I tolerate him, second time I tolerate, third time he doesn’t turn up, he just doesn’t turn up! People don’t know how he doesn’t come, “Oh, he was transferred.” I didn’t do that but it happens. The attention just recedes: no importance to such a person; he is useless, because what he can achieve? Thousands and millions can be given it just like this. Why should God worry about people who are not interested in their own well-being? He’s not going to fall at their feet. He can create the whole universe; I mean, He can create all other types of human beings. So this is also there, this attention, you see: it’s a very proud stuff. It has its own protocol and these protocols are divided into these seven centres. And any one of these Deities, specially Christ, the Lord as you call Him — He is really the Lord you know — not an easy person — if He gets angry, it’s impossible. He loves you; no doubt, but to a point. He loves me much more than He loves you. If He finds that there is a problem for me He will have nothing to do with you. As long as you are receiving it, and behaving yourself, all right. Same about Mahavira, same about Buddha: we are on one side. So they all support, they all help, and all of them are absolutely in unison and in complete understanding — nobody fights them. It’s a complete integration. Only I am the person in between, trying to say, “All right, just for a little bit, let’s have it this way and that way. Let’s do it.” Like a chairman sitting on the chair and telling them, “All right. It’s all right now. Please forgive! Please forgive me now!” But somehow (unclear). It happens. Then for a Sahaja Yogi it is essential to know there are certain rules and regulations of Sahaj Yoga. Immediately your vibrations are less to begin with. I don’t do anything. People say, “Mother you have taken away my vibrations!” I say, “Why should I? I am so anxious to give it away! I mean I am fed up of it!” I would love to give everything, all this to you. But if there’s something wrong with you what am I to do? Now supposing you put a lid on top of a pitcher and put it in the Ganges and you say, “No! Ganges is flowing, now what am I to do?” Remove the lid! And it is very subtle, very subtle. You don’t realise how subtle it is, only in vibrations: “Oh God! I’ve lost my vibrations!” That’s all! So vibrations are the most important things for Sahaja Yogis. The most important thing is to achieve a complete state of vibrations, when your Realisation is completely integrated, your physical being, your emotional being, your Spiritual being is complete, in unison, there’s a complete balance within you. Then only the vibrations flow and that’s why antar-yoga is important. It is not only lecturing that is going to help you. Of course, there are vibrations in it and they work out: I try through my vibrations of my words, I try to disentangle you. But that is to a point, where you have to yourself take up and work it out, the antar-yoga, the inner yoga, by working it out in a way that you sit down, meditate and do various things that Sahaj Yoga has suggested. Now I have, you know that, my grandchildren are realised-souls and they’re very high quality realised-souls and they understand a lot about Kundalini from very childhood. Yesterday one of the girls was feeling the Left Nabhi very much, all over, and she said, “Now I will know how to remove it.” And she brought pieces of paper and she tied them round her there. Then she took vibrations like that. So she said that, “Now they are all passing into this paper!” Actually while doing she was giving bandhan to it. She was moving her own vibrations around it, she was binding them. And then she took them and she said, “Alright, put them in the fire,” and they burned it. And her tension was reduced. And everywhere, everybody felt better. It's so fantastic it is! And now this girl is seven but I have a granddaughter, she’s hardly two, and she’s very great too. She just comes on to the point. She says, “This is the problem!” And I have a grandson who just climbs on somebody and he clears them out. His vibrations are clear, people have seen it. And there are many children like that, who are born in this country. How are you going to understand it? Only by attending to some sort of a meditation course or something like that? Paying for it? No, you have to be lively people. Sahaja Yogis should realise one thing: that they are the foundation of the new world. This is a very, very big responsibility. And the foundations have to be very solid. They are made out of stones, no doubt, but they have to be really solid, absolutely solid, because they are in the foundation. They are chiselled out much more. They are to be cleared out much more. But if the foundation is not good we cannot build the complete edifice, you cannot do anything about it. First, the foundation is important, and that’s why it’s nice we are getting a few people. But it's taking a bit too much time, I think, the foundation itself. Every stone has to look after oneself, and has to work it out in a much deeper way and work out the vibrations and must evolve the methods, all the methods, by which your depth is created. Nothing is important but this: that every one of you should be real solid people. In the end, I will just tell you that the subtle part of these chakras, is how to understand them. The first side, the first entanglement with the jada-prakruti as you call it, the matter, is to know the auspiciousness, auspiciousness of things: what is auspicious, what is not auspicious. If you understand the auspiciousness then you will understand that you can overcome the binding of the matter. Now, even auspiciousness can become quite maddening to people. I have seen it. I have seen people washing their hands fifty-five times, pulling their hair hundred times — that’s not the way. But you must understand what is auspicious, what is not auspicious. For example, we can say, how we sit in a programme is not important so much. You may be little bit sometimes pushing back, pushing forward, may be sitting [in] any way: that’s not important. But the auspiciousness of sitting is that: have you reverence in your mind when you are sitting? There should be a reverence in you. When you are sitting for your meditation, are you taking upon yourself that, “Oh, I am going to achieve it today!” or out of reverence you are sitting in a surrendering mood, in a surrendering position? The reverence part is very important, once you start understanding reverence. I have seen people putting both their legs towards me, sitting down like that. I have seen people with very arrogant ways of sitting. For example, sitting like this before anybody who is supposed to be revered: you should not sit like this. If you sit like this then there is no reverence. This is [how] you sit when you are in the authority yourself! You should sit with your both legs like this and sit in reverence. Now this pose is not important. You can be absolutely burning with ego within you and could be sitting like this. So I’m again telling you: auspiciousness is what is within you, what you think about it, what is happening to you: Are you feeling reverence within you? Are you feeling the reverence by your pose? This is your own judgment. This is your decision. This is nothing to do with how you should sit, whether you sit on your one leg or two legs, it’s not the most important thing, but do you feel that, by this you are relaxed and you are in a reverence position? This is the thing. If you feel you are in a reverence position, that’s all right. That is what you have to do, is to understand auspiciousness. An example I will tell you, of auspiciousness: for example, now, you are a wife in a family, you are a husband in a family. Now how you treat your wife? Do you treat her like a goddess of the family? Do you? Do you treat your husband as a man who brings God in the family? You see, this auspiciousness is the way, how you feel about, is the auspiciousness. How you feel about a chair? You sit on the chair; say for example, now how do you feel about the chair? Do you feel it’s a chair because it’s very expensive? Because it is your own? Or because somebody has given [it to] you? The reverence is there, about the chair, that, “No, it is the chair which was occupied by my mother so it is to be revered, or by my father, so it is to be revered, or it is just a chair which is handled just for utility or you have just got it for a some sort of a deviant thing? Wherever you sit, now, say for meditation: you are sitting in a place. I have seen people doing all kinds of funny things, in the name of meditation. For example, they’ll be smoking first. Now what are you going to do? The ashtray would be just there and then they would put their feet like this, “Now let us do the meditation!” This aspect is very much missing here because people have lost all that. I think they had it very much there, but it is lost. And auspiciousness is a very, very sort of a thing which gradually, when you train yourself, you’ll understand. And by auspiciousness you will understand the value of matter. You will not value the matter then, but the auspiciousness of it. To you, the important thing will be say a hair from the head of Mohammed Prophet. It’s much more auspicious than all the world put together. I went to Kashmir as I told you, and we were just crossing through and I asked the driver, I said, “What’s this place?” He said, “Why?” I said. “Is there any temple here? What is this place? It’s so beautiful?” So my husband looked around, he said, “What’s beautiful about it? I don’t understand. There’s nothing here, around?” He said, “No, there is nothing. But there’s a place just there, you can see that, where the hair of Mohammed Prophet is kept.” I said, “That’s it!” No joy, beauty, I could ever get it from anywhere from any place. It could be very beautiful, you may feel that, “This is the heaven here!” For me it may not be there. It may be that place where one hair of Mohammed Prophet is sitting — it’s auspicious. Auspiciousness is judged through vibrations. So you cannot say, “How are you to judge the auspiciousness?” Through your vibrations you can. So use your vibratory awareness for auspiciousness. That’s how you can look after your Left Side, which I have told you in a very short way. For that you don’t have to read books and you don’t have to say, “How many times, Mother, I should wash my hands? How many times I should give this bandhan and all that?” It’s only when you get your vibrations the best, that’s the most auspicious time. Keep it at that point, because again into the rituals you’ll go, “Hold it with your left hand and hold it with your right hand,” and all going wrong. And then some, “Oh, Mother I did the wrong way!” Then what is it? That’s not the way! The thing is, the essence of it, [is that] if you get your vibrations all right, that’s what is to be auspicious. Maybe when you are sitting down you are not getting your vibrations, you think that maybe might go something wrong with it: is it I am not revered properly? Let me have the vibrations. Why, what’s the matter? Why is it that I am not feeling the vibrations well? That’s how it should be. You can judge it through your vibrations. Now auspiciousness is very important for Sahaja Yogis because all that they do should be auspicious. Whatever is inauspicious you shouldn’t do. Now you will be surprised, sometimes you might think that say going to a particular place is very important. But maybe you will find that you have lost your purse or you cannot go there or may be that somehow or the other that the road is blocked, you have to go by another. Accept it! Maybe that is auspicious. Maybe that you have to go that way. Maybe there is somebody who is waiting for you there, you have to give your vibrations to that place, there is some need there because you are an instrument of auspiciousness. You have to spread the auspiciousness. And what is auspiciousness? Is nothing but the blessings of God. To feel the blessings of God. He blesses you all the time. His hand is all the time on your hand, He looks after you. When you seek auspiciousness you seek His hand. You are always under His hand. He’s your shepherd. You are all the time under His guidance. That is what auspiciousness is, in the real sense. To feel it, all angels around you. Everybody is there to help. Everybody is trying to bring you to Reality: that is the auspiciousness. Once you start doing it gradually you will find the joy of living will pour into you, the joy of God’s blessings will pour into you, when you will feel His hands. It is not important that you become a very successful person in life. I have seen such successful people in life, so-called successful: so unhappy, so miserable, so terrible and so boring and so troublesome. They are good for nothing! People say, “Oh! He has died, it’s a good thing!” They have done no good to anybody, nobody bothers about them. When they are in position people look after them, once they are gone nobody even bothers about them. Auspiciousness gives you the right idea of Divine importance, means where the Divinity flows behind you and goes around you and takes you around and gives you the complete joy: the movement of the weight. It’s a beautiful thing to be auspicious. It takes you away from inauspiciousness when you ask for auspiciousness. But do not make a ritual out of it, which I want to tell you hundred and hundred and one times that do not make a ritual of anything because you deaden it, like all other people have done it. I hope after my death you people do not do all this. Because then it becomes a superstition. Auspiciousness should never be confused with superstition. Because people were not that alert and not so subtle they could not make out what is ugliness, that is superstition, and what is beauty, that is auspiciousness. They made all mistakes and they committed all these crimes. But you people be careful, because you are subtle people. Do not make it a superstitious thing, but an auspicious thing. When you speak, it should be auspicious. I have seen many people have a habit of speaking very inauspicious things, especially with the left Vishuddhi - very inauspicious. Like you invite somebody to your house for a dinner party. And he says, “Oh! I saw such a crowd coming in I felt that there was a fire on!” And what a thing to say! He thinks he has been smart, a very smart man to say such a thing. Or he’ll utter a very dirty joke at the time when there’s a wedding going on. There are many people. The inauspiciousness can form such a satanic force. Most of the tantrism has come out of inauspicious people. Do you know this, that tantrism is nothing but inauspicious mastery? Before the Deity, before the Gods, if you do something extremely inauspicious, you make the attention of the Gods and all its protection to get out of it and then you do all satanic things there. This is the basis of all these tantrikas. What is hell? Is nothing but inauspicious living. Because the attention of this God is not on you, the blessings are not there. Then you will understand that vibrations teach you auspiciousness. You think of somebody and you get stinging, “Oh God! What a man he is!” You may think he is a very big man [but] immediately you say, “Oh, he is inauspicious. We have nothing to do with him.” Sahaja Yogis should not aspire for the worldly success and worldly things, but for auspicious things, so that they get the blessings of God. Because those who have got also all kinds of worldly things are the most wretched souls ever living and are a curse to this Mother Earth. She is fed up with them. They are sinful. I do not want to tell you, if people behave in this manner, where they will go and what will happen, because that’s too much for me to say at this juncture. But that is what it is, about [which], I would say, your great poet, say Blake, has talked about it and told about it. The Hell, he has described. So many of them have described, I do not want to elaborate on it. The other side is the Right side, how to get out of the second side of it. What is the subtle point of the Right side? Is discipline. First you have to say, England was a very disciplined country, over disciplined, artificially disciplined, militarily regimented type. I do not mean that discipline at all. The discipline which is in you — it comes automatically. Not regimentation! Again the confusion should not be there, because I want to make it extremely clear. It’s very easy to confuse things because of these knots. So, when I say that you must have discipline, is an inner discipline, absolute inner. You don’t have to do anything about it, but it is built in, because you start enjoying that discipline within you. Discipline is, in Sanskrit language, we can call it as sadachar (सदाचार) — is ‘good behaviour,’ actually, if you translate it. But is much more than that, is much more than that, it’s much more. Sadachar is much more. It is a discipline: what time we get up in the morning? How do we meet the morning? The sun has risen. “What’s wrong in getting up at ten o’clock?” “Nothing wrong my child, but you are losing the beauty of the morning.” Morning time is the time when the sun is coming, the rays are coming. That is the special time when the sun throws its real rays of Divinity. Actually the Right side is the sun side, and it starts with your rising in the morning, very much. But not the hatha yogi style where you become bony people, where you fast for three hundred days and then three hundred days you go on shouting at people and three hundred days you start cursing them. I do not mean that. By discipline I mean that a certain amount of respect for yourself. It is a respect. As there is auspiciousness, this is a respect of your own being because it is ego. How much you respect your ego, Let me see? Assert your ego is different from respecting your ahambhav, your dignity. Your position in life, how much do you respect? Do you sell it for money? Do you sell it for a chair? Do you sell it for any positions in life? A kind of a discipline within yourself. Not to jabber too much, not to talk less. But that doesn’t mean that you try the balancing of it: it’s something innately built in which can work out through Sahaja Yoga — if you see your vibrations, again. You have to be respectable. In the first one, you have to respect, and in the second one, you have to be respectable. Respect yourself. People think that, supposing they don’t bathe their body for months together, “What’s wrong?” Nothing wrong. If you do not respect yourself, nature is not going to respect you. Physically you should respect, mentally, emotionally. If say you like to see pornographic photos you have no respect for yourself. If you want to eat filth, you have no respect for yourself. You do not think much of yourself. You want to waste your eyes, you want to waste your attention with this. You shouldn’t like anything that is absurd, useless, frivolous. You shouldn’t charge your chakras with something nonsensical and filthy. When you start respecting yourself you will really know how to respect others. Those who cannot respect themselves cannot respect others. And respect that [which] is good in others. And do not worry about their faults but respect them for their good, so that you also have good in you and you respect yourself. That is not asserting, this respect is never asserting, it’s very comforting, extremely comforting. A person who respects himself is the most congenial person to live with. He doesn’t come forward too much, neither he recedes back too much. He’s just there. Like a wise man, you know he’s there: you can always approach such a person. He doesn’t do anything outwardly. He doesn’t try to show off. He doesn’t try to create a sort of an aura about him. He’s not boasting about himself. Ego can be easily handled if you respect yourself. Then you will not feel hurt. Because who can be insulting but yourself to yourself? Supposing there are some dogs barking at an elephant, he just, “Swish, swish,” he goes on like that. Have you seen an elephant? Very interesting. He walks and his majestic way. And he finds some dog barking he just, “Swish, swish!” Very nicely he does. He puts them like that, you see. Like a little child whistling at that and goes on its own majestic way. He says, “Oh you doggy! It’s all right, come along.” He is not bothered as to how they treat him. They bark at him and he just walks, in his dignity. That’s why we say that an elephant is a very dignified animal. It walks with its dignity. A person like that doesn’t take to cheap fashions and cheap things: he is in his own dignity. He does not try to adjust himself to the norms of things that they have created. You cannot play into the hands of these bogus people, who say that your weight should be, I don’t know how much, and your this thing should be so much. All the women trying to do that. Tomorrow they may come and say your hair should be so long. So you become like this, so all the women trying to do that. You must wear wigs, so everybody is trying to wear wigs. You don’t play into their hands anymore once you start respecting yourself. Like in India, they started a fashion of sleeves you see. They started first from here, so much sleeves. Then they said, “So much sleeves, so much sleeves,” then some said, “So much sleeves!” Then some said, “So much sleeves!” You see, it goes on. So somebody asked me, “What about you?” I said, “I had them from my, the very beginning, and I am going to have them that way only, because it’s too much to run this race. I cannot!” Because I have a tailor who does this job, now, I have no time to waste for all this nonsense, and why? What is the need? Whatever has been found out traditionally is accepted. And you will find all these fashions drop out just like that! Now, in our saris also, we have fashions come up. There was a fashion of sari where they wanted to have a mini saris. Whatever fashions you have they want to have the fashion! (laughter) And you don’t know about this? It’s very interesting. They used to have mini saris. So mini saris could be only up to this point. And they started going up, up to this point, you know. Some people tried to do it on all them, and then they gave up, they said, “It’s nothing doing! It doesn’t look nice, you see.” And it was started by a company because they wanted to sell more yarn, you see. By mini saris they could sell more yarn and charge the same for a sari because half-sari and you sell it as a mini. It’s only mini, and money is double! So they tried it! But it failed in India, so the sari remains the same. Then they started printing only the front part of the saris, this is a new fashion, then another. I said, “Nothing doing! You better buy one traditional sari which lasts you all your life!” You can sort it out. All these things fall off, you see. Like in Victorian times they must have worked out many things — it falls off. Then something [else] falls off. Something traditional that is there may not be useful today but something eternally traditional will be there all your life. That is really traditional. Whichever falls off, which goes off, people find it useless, it is no good, then throw it out. Now many things that you are doing, for example nowadays people are putting those pins inside the cheeks. Now, they are putting them I have seen them: putting them in nose there, putting a pin here; putting a pin here. This all will go away! After some time you will find them putting something in their hair. Let them do it. They are foolish people. But this is nothing. They can do something in a very subtle manner, you see. Like the Elizabethan collar you had. Because Queen Elizabeth had some problem in the back here, so they started Elizabethan collar. So everybody started wearing an Elizabethan collar. Then, at the time of Victoria, she had some sort of a problem at the back here. So, she started a thing [and] everybody started wearing it — why? You have your attire, dress, your sitting position. Your thinking itself is not fashioned by others, it is only fashioned through your vibratory awareness. Immediately if you read a book, you come on to the point and you say, “Oh! This is not true in this, but it is this what is true in this!” Immediately you start scanning the books: you know which is the true book, which is not the true book. You just don’t read nonsense, because you know it’s all falsehood, it’s all story telling. You do not want to read something nonsensical. So you just understand the sense and the nonsense of it. So it works out. And that’s how, when you start respecting yourself, respecting your thoughts, respecting your inspirations, your dreams, your aspirations, your visions — write them down. Whatever thought you get, write it down. Whatever inspiration you get, write it down. Whatever visions you think you should have for yourself, write it down. All that you think that should be the future, write it down, and pray for it. The greatest quality on this one is when you respect yourself. When you respect yourself, you are respected. By whom? By the Gods, by the Divine Force, by all the angels, and whatever you want to do will be done. Then it comes, “Thy will be done!” But that will has to come out of respect for yourself. If it is coming out of some other considerations, for example, now in Bombay they want to have an ashram. People have all funny ideas about ashrams. They want to have an ashram: why having this ashram? Some people are very clever, I know all of them. And they think they can make some money out of it — foolish things as they are. Then some of them think that by staying there, “We can pass our old age very nicely, it will be a cheap thing, because Mataji is not going to charge anything extra, so it will be a nice cheap thing. Let’s buy that.” Some of them are thinking, “It’s a very good place where, in young age we can go there and, it will be a good idea, we can run away from work. We'll stay in the ashram and after all Sahaja Yoga won’t be that hard work you see. So it will be nice living there.” All these considerations, when they are in the minds of the people you will never get your ashram done, take it from me. “We’ll sleep till ten o’clock, who is going to wake us up?” “We’ll do whatever we like in the ashram. We’ll use it for our own purpose,” “We will not do any meditation. We will not do anything, whatsoever!” “We’ll do no work at all. We’ll not help anything in the organising of Sahaja Yoga or an organising people, we will not bring them.” After all what will happen? You’ll lose your vibrations. If you respect yourself, the expression of your Self must be respected. Tell your body to behave itself, tell your mind to behave itself, and tell your emotions to behave itself. I have seen people hankering after a girlfriend or a boyfriend and asking for this and asking for that. And then coming to me and telling, “Mother, what can I do about this girlfriend or a boyfriend?” or some sort of a thing like that. All these things are not going to help you. You have to respect yourself. You are an entity by yourself. You are not going to bow down to anyone. You are not going to accept anything that is not respectable for you. And this is how you are going to manage your Right Side. Now the centre part is very important in your seeking. In your seeking you have to know that you are seeking your Spirit. You are seeking that your attention should now pour through your Spirit. You are not seeking the Spirit but you are going to become one with the Spirit. That is [what] your seeking is. For that, it is very important to know about your own chakras. You must know how they are caught up and face up to it. You must face the truth there. You have to be absolutely honest and truthful about it — that’s the point in the centre. If you are honest, the centre point will work out. For example, I’ll tell you: I cured a gentleman who was suffering from cancer. I cured him, all right. He has gone away. He didn’t even write a letter of thanks. And if anybody asks him he says, “Oh no, still I am waiting.” Four years have passed, three years have passed, he says, “I am still waiting for it. I don’t know.” He was to die in three month’s time! He has been dishonest to God. He should have told people, “No, Mother has cured me!” Then he gets back his cancer. And then he blames God for that. So truth must be accepted. You have to be truthful and honest for the central path — absolute on the truth. "Yes, this is the truth we have found out, we have felt the vibrations.” “We are not feeling the vibrations,” or there is some mixture. “Yes, I am catching on this.” There are many people say, “No Mother, I’m not catching!” I know what is happening to them. They tell lies. Who are you telling lies?

10/3/1978

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H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Letter for Navaratri, London (United Kingdom), October 3rd, 1978, (Translation from Marathi) To All Sahaja Yogis, Many blessings Today is the first day of Navaratri. Today your attention should be on Shri Ganesha’. His devotion is infinite. He has never worshipped anybody else except Mother. Hence He is so great. All other Gods appear very strong. Everyone has some specialty. What is Mother’s specialty? Her ego (aham) is nowhere felt by others. Hence Shri Ganesha who has surrendered to such Mother, is so wise and venerable, Mother has nothing with Her. Her very name begins with ‘Ni’ e.g. ‘Nishakanchan’ – having no wealth, ‘Nirlepa’– unaffected; ‘Nirvichara’ – thoughtless; ‘Nishprayojana’ – having no motives, ‘Nigarvita’ – egoless, ‘Niriccha’ – desireless etc. Therefore, surrendering to such Mother, who has nothing with Her, needs some kind of subtle thought, in that, Mother has nothing with Her and therefore, nothing can be asked from Her. It shows how Shri Ganesha by himself, is fully satisfied. Where does this contentment of Shri Ganesha come from ? It is own power. When the gate of the Self opens, nothing else is required. It is the Mother who opens this gate and therefore, She is so dear to Shri Ganesha. Complete Self-Realization is that stage attaining which nothing else is required. Thereafter, only enjoying the bliss and the satisfaction of fulfilment. You are made in the pattern of Shri Ganesha. Therefore, your power is unmatched, but for that, you should have devotion and innocence like Shri Ganesha’s. Then Mother would admire you and the whole world would witness that beautiful sight. I have worked in the operation and Ida Nadi of all has become much lighter. Ida means past and all good and bad impressions. All that is bad should be removed like cleaning of an excellent cloth that gets back its colour and new look, thereafter. But right side improves by discipline. I myself will observe fast and clean your right side, so that your power to do the work increases and you start Sahaja Yoga work with new vigour. However, left side can be kept, clean by discriminating between good and bad deeds and strictly doing only that which is good. That means you have to do only that which is auspicious and helpful. Right side can be activated by discipline, Balance is very important in Sahaja Yoga. Age old maxim, “Ati Sarvatra Varjayet ” (extremes should be avoided everywhere) really holds good. I am very eager to meet you all. Your Mother Nirmala

H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Letter for Navaratri, London (United Kingdom), October 3rd, 1978, (Translation from Marathi) To All Sahaja Yogis, Many blessings Today is the first day of Navaratri. Today your attention should be on Shri Ganesha’. His devotion is infinite. He has never worshipped anybody else except Mother. Hence He is so great. All other Gods appear very strong. Everyone has some specialty. What is Mother’s specialty? Her ego (aham) is nowhere felt by others. Hence Shri Ganesha who has surrendered to such Mother, is so wise and venerable, Mother has nothing with Her. Her very name begins with ‘Ni’ e.g. ‘Nishakanchan’ – having no wealth, ‘Nirlepa’– unaffected; ‘Nirvichara’ – thoughtless; ‘Nishprayojana’ – having no motives, ‘Nigarvita’ – egoless, ‘Niriccha’ – desireless etc. Therefore, surrendering to such Mother, who has nothing with Her, needs some kind of subtle thought, in that, Mother has nothing with Her and therefore, nothing can be asked from Her. It shows how Shri Ganesha by himself, is fully satisfied. Where does this contentment of Shri Ganesha come from ? It is own power. When the gate of the Self opens, nothing else is required. It is the Mother who opens this gate and therefore, She is so dear to Shri Ganesha. Complete Self-Realization is that stage attaining which nothing else is required. Thereafter, only enjoying the bliss and the satisfaction of fulfilment. You are made in the pattern of Shri Ganesha. Therefore, your power is unmatched, but for that, you should have devotion and innocence like Shri Ganesha’s. Then Mother would admire you and the whole world would witness that beautiful sight. I have worked in the operation and Ida Nadi of all has become much lighter. Ida means past and all good and bad impressions. All that is bad should be removed like cleaning of an excellent cloth that gets back its colour and new look, thereafter. But right side improves by discipline. I myself will observe fast and clean your right side, so that your power to do the work increases and you start Sahaja Yoga work with new vigour. However, left side can be kept, clean by discriminating between good and bad deeds and strictly doing only that which is good. That means you have to do only that which is auspicious and helpful. Right side can be activated by discipline, Balance is very important in Sahaja Yoga. Age old maxim, “Ati Sarvatra Varjayet ” (extremes should be avoided everywhere) really holds good. I am very eager to meet you all. Your Mother Nirmala

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Dharma, Talk to Sahaja Yogis, London (UK), October 5th, 1978 That, the central one is the sustaining power means is the power by which we evolve, that means we get our sustenance as it is. This sustenance that we have got as a human being when it is to be manifested on the five elements that we have within ourselves, the source is there but we have to reach it through its different elements. When this interchange takes place or, we can say, when we have to put this force outside, that is to be done through establishment of Dharma on these. Like a superimposition or, you can say, the connection. Like you can say, say there is sun. Sun is the source of light and the source of light has (to?) come to this earth which is created out of the five elements. So the sun’s rays have to come, but when they come inside, in this move, what do they do? They enlighten this world. But it’s only possible if there is Dharma, means the light is there, the rays are there. The rays can be obstructed by many things. If the rays are obstructed, then there is a-dharma. So the source of Dharma, the spreading of Dharma and ultimately the manifestation onto the five elements is a complete thing that is Void. This play goes on within us. Our evolutionary power which has worked from the very beginning, from matter state, when the matter got itself as organized then we had carbon as tetravalent, then from carbon, the life started – all this is the work of the sustaining force. Then we became human beings. Now we have got ten dharmas within us which we have to keep all right. These are the main Ten Commandments. These Ten Commandments we have to look after. And these are looked after by the people who are the primordial masters, as you call them “incarnations”…(a noise covers the voice) like Raja Janaka, like Moses, like Socrates, like Nanaka, the last one was the Shirdi Sai Nath. This is the principle is there, is the primordial Master. Now, there is another principle that is in there by which you receive it. This is called as the disciple principle, the primordial Disciple principle, represented by the Moon and the Sun, presided by Buddha and Mahavira. So, this disciple element if it is not in you, you cannot receive it. But when you start getting – receiving it, this Dharma gets into you and then you become the guru. You become the guru when this is completely sustained in you. It starts as a disciple and then ends up as a Guru. This is the Void part within us. First of all, as the human beings are, we do not observe the first ten basic principles. In this country for example, or in the West, we have – we observe the five of them because of laws. In the countries like India, they observe the rest five, because of their society. So, in any way we are lacking some of them. Five are missing here or five are missing there. This is the situation of the Dharma today. The Gurus and their disciples they do this connection and then the matter, which is created out of five elements, get vibrated. You can enlighten the matter. When the Dharma is complete you can enlighten the matter. The rituals that these people used which was called as you see, do Dharmik rituals, they call them do dharmik, these are the deeds of Dharma, is to worship, to do Puja and to pray to God and to do all these things, prayer. All these things after some time became absolutely deadened because there was no Realized soul as a Guru and no Realized soul as a disciple. So, it was just a joke going on, you see. It has no meaning. Supposing I tell somebody who is not realized to give himself a bandhan, he cannot. [Aside: “He is coming back, don’t you worry! Both of them have run away. He’ll agree then somehow. The sister is realized, the wife is realized. Born. But the husband is like that, what to do? He came… Yogi: He came. Shri Mataji: Eh? He came in. (Yogis: “Came”.) Came, ran away half-way, he still cannot decide which way to go. (A yogi says something) Shri Mataji: He is alright. Should be alright. Yogi: I’m wondering where he’s gone. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Yogi: I would like to know whether he’ll come. (Indistinct words) Shri Mataji (laughs): So you will see gradually how it works.] So this Void is so important because that is how you establish your receiving ends in your being, the five elements within you. Meaning the five elements that exist (within you? – Not clearly audible). In Sahaja Yoga, we try the other way round stuff. Yes, I have tried it this (way?). Now, what to do? The Dharma is all ruined. It is. There is another way: all these elements are represented in your chakras, different chakras. So why not take the Kundalini through these chakras and enlighten the elements themselves? Even there is no Dharma in a person you can do it. But then the Kundalini goes back to all the places which you have missed. But if you have been to some guru and you have bent your head before him, then the Kundalini stops at that Void. It doesn’t move, it goes here, and there, and there. It just stops, it doesn’t go further, it’s very difficult. You have seen the Void pulsating so badly. It just doesn’t rise, it always goes back into that bottomless pit as you can call it. It’s always sucked into that again and again if you have had a guru. So we try to remove the guru from your mind by so many ways. Deny them completely, absolutely, so that they get out of your minds. And again raise the Kundalini, and from the innermost, the Brahma Nadi as they call it, the innermost Nadi, the Sukshma Nadi. Otherwise, you cannot reach there. From outside you go on cleansing, cleansing, cleansing until you reach there, you find you cannot pierce through. But outside cleaning helps you in one way, that the Brahma Nadi becomes wider, the Nadi that is in the center of Sushumna. If you – there’s less pressure then it is a wider one so for Kundalini rising there is a better chance. But in Sahaja Yoga, the subtlest of subtlest, Kundalini we catch, and thread it microscopically inside, and take it out. And by taking it out what happens, these chakras definitely get enlightened, they expand. That’s how we expand the Sushumna. Expanding Brahmanadi. This was – this is the trick of Sahaja Yoga. Because this cleansing is going to take too much time as you said. The whole thing is to be cleansed out and then it is to be released and then you have to meet some guru who has to take it. So the Sadhachar [virtue, correct action], whatever Buddha has said, the right, the right action, the right that he has said it, is the one that is Dharma. That’s what is described. But that doesn’t work out with human beings, it’s meant for people who are Realized souls. Most of these religions are meant for Realized souls, you can find out. Actually, Realized souls only took to religion before. Those who were born again, 'dwijah', Brahmins, who took to religion. But the time has come for people who are not Realized also to take to religion and to receive His blessings. Sahaja Yoga is the only way one can do it – is to take it in the subtle-most – innermost Nadi, enlightened every chakra, increase the size of the chakra, pierce a little bit here, then again raise the another thread, then again the third thread, like that, go on expanding. [Aside: “This is it, you are all right. Good. Good, that’s it…”] This is how it works out. In her case I did the same, I was just talking to you. Now the main thing about Void one has to remember: there is no rationality. It’s the hunger inside the stomach, and hunger has no rationality. I it is hungry it will eat. It has to eat, no rationality can satisfy it. If you are hungry, you are a bhakta [devout]. And when you have spiritual hunger, the same hunger becomes subtler and subtler, ultimately it becomes a spiritual hunger. First, the hunger starts of, say, food, of primitive things. Then hunger for sex life, hunger for women, hunger for men, then for power, then for money. Then the hunger for spirituality starts. When that hunger is concentrated and starts rising without any rationality about it: you don’t know why you are seeking. Like Buddha: he had everything, he had a wife and his father had provided him with everything. Still, his heart was seeking. Why was he seeking? It’s the hunger that is not rationality, that isn’t explained. And then this hunger starts and the way we quench that hunger is Dharma. The way we keep it intact is the Dharma. Supposing you are hungry: you go and eat some poison: then it is a-dharma. I know you are hungry, but you have to eat proper food. The knowledge about that is Dharma: what food you must eat, what books you must read, what people you must meet, how you should live, what should be your attitude towards others, others’ things, others’ wives, children, daughters. Everything related to the other, all that knowledge is Dharma. But it has no rationality. Like, you see, a man ran away, say, with somebody’s daughter, he would say: «What’s wrong?» I cannot answer it. I cannot answer it. If a man has bad relations, say, with his own mother. He says: «What’s wrong in this?». You cannot answer, there’s no rationality. It is so, it’s a fact: «Thou shall not commit adultery.» Christ has said even to have adulterous eyes is wrong. But at the time, it was Christ who came in. At the Moses’ time people did not know this eyes business, but Christ could see that and He had said it, that: «Those who have even adulterous eyes are committing a sin.» So, how to deal with the others? Say, materialism now: we are so attached to matter, is also problem of the Nabhi. Materialism is a false identification with matter, all falsehood – with matter, with human beings, with books, with all that is created, is the problem of Nabhi. So, you can understand how important is Nabhi. And the one that prescribes it, is the Dharma, is the Guru. They did not come like Me to convince you and argue out with you. They said: «Thou shalt not…». That’s a commandment. Commandment means there’s not to reason why. It’s a commandment. There’s no rationality in Dharma. Now, the one who is dharmic does not think about sin at all. Now, I’ll tell you about Myself. Say, I go to a party and they start a cabaret dance. I do not think about it whether it is illegal or whether it is wrong with this adharma, nothing. I do not think, but immediately I vomit. My grand-children, you see, they one day were watching the TV and three of them came vomiting. I went and saw the TV and it was a horrid thing going on. They just came and started vomiting. There’s no rationality about it. It is against human sustenance. It is sub-human. Like animals cannot feel the dirt or filth, we can. We feel horrible smell coming. But those who work, say, in filth cannot feel any smell. If you go near a factory where sugar is produced you feel terrible there, get the smell of these molasses and you can’t bear it, but those who are working there are so much used to it that they cannot feel it. Those who live in sin cannot feel the sin after some time, they become insensitive to it. But sin is a sin. So the insensitivity, when we develop within ourselves, we become adharmic. When we are sensitive about it, we are dharmic. On the left-hand side, the intuition about it, the auspiciousness of it – is the thing that one has to learn, the auspiciousness. A housewife is to be respected, honoured and comforted because it is auspicious. A wife has to be respectable. A housewife doesn’t – It doesn’t look nice for a housewife, you see, to be dressed in a funny way. Once a chief cabinet secretary from India, his wife had come and she used to think she is very young and smart or something. She was wearing those tight jeans and things like that, you see. And the poor husband, you see, looked at this side, that side. He didn’t know what to do. And she is – I mean, very big man. All right. And she came down in London, she was thinking: «Oh, she is a great, smart thing», you know. And they were invited to a dinner – it’s a real thing, you know, real thing that has happened. And when this man was to go from somewhere and she had to go from somewhere else. So, when he went there, he said: «Where is my wife?» He said: «She hasn’t come right now.» He said: «No, she was to come, she is not like that, she is much smarter than me, she must have arrived.» He looked around, he couldn’t find her. And there was a lady standing, he said: «There’s your secretary has come, she is standing there.» And he didn’t know what to say because she really looked like a secretary and not his wife. So the housewife has to be dignified and respectable and she is to be respected. It’s the part of that auspiciousness. And the wife, that essence of a wife is the governing… So you can imagine those women who used to stand for lib and all that and those who tried to sort of say that: «Why should we be respectable if the husband is not if he is carrying on with the other women I should also carry on with the other men.» You must know that you are withholding that great position in the stomach, on the left-hand side of every human being. And that’s why the left Nabhi catches in England so much; and in America, I think it’s missing already (laughter). So, that is to ask to, say, to a man you see, who is so developed, and is so, he thinks no ends of himself, you see, and the civilization where work is so important and money is even more important than work is. To him, it’s silly to think that a housewife’s respectability is so important in the play of the universe. Yes, it is. Where the women become dis-respectable the whole – you see, that’s the breaking point of the society. There the human beings will start destroying. That’s the real atomic bomb you have got. But it is so, I cannot rationalize it, it is made like that. All the Gurus have said: «You should not drink.» Even Moses. Every one of them has said: «You cannot drink», means take any kind of ann alcohol or any things that will take away your awareness, because that is the place of your awareness. In the sense that whatever goes wrong here spoils your attention, and if your attention is spoiled, your awareness is spoiled. The attention is in here. The attention is in the stomach, in the Void. So, how important is your attention. Wherever you put your attention, that works out. When you are Realized, then your attention is Realized. Wherever you put your attention it works like a spade, it works like a sword, it works like a loving hand, it works like a kiss, it works like a comforting heart. It is an enlightened attention in your stomach. You see, the mother has the child in the stomach, in the womb, and how it looks after the child, a little baby, how it protects. All that is there is given to us through our Gurus, our own beings which are our masters, who teach us. The stomach teaches you, your stomach is your Guru. Amoeba became a human being through the stomach only, through the hunger it had. If it did not have hunger it would not have evolved. And the hunger teaches you. And when you learn it properly, then you become the Guru yourself of the whole world and the universe. Void, that’s why is very important, and when you have had bad gurus, you have read horrible books, accepted them as facts and truths, then your Void gets spoiled, your attention gets spoiled. It goes to wrong things. Attention, when it works through your eyes, can also go to wrong things. Everywhere wherever the attention moves it can do wrong things if it is adharmic. But as I said there is no rationality about it. Dharma is to be accepted. You cannot rationalize it. To a point, you may try, but how far it harms you, you cannot rationalize. And then the curses of Divine comes on you. Any kind of fanaticism or identification with one ideal – like Muslims thinking they are Muslims. They are adharmic. They are not dharmic. Dharma is that you have to respect all the religions. It is a sin not to respect any incarnation. It is a sin not to respect any religion. And to identify with one and denounce the other. So, give up all these false dharmas and come to that one Dharma which evolves you, which gives you light by which you can see the oneness among all these religions. As I’ve said it before, that they are like beautiful flowers on one tree nurtured by one sap, adorned by one tree; but fools take the flowers out, say that “These are our flowers” and kill them. And when these flowers die, ugliness becomes the so-called religions. So, in essences, respect all the religions, and all the incarnations. Fanaticism is absolutely against the Nabhi and against the Void because the whole balance of your Void is to be kept. In a very subtle and subtler form, you will be sticking onto it. Say, you are born a Christian, so whatever you may try you cannot get out of this feeling that “We are Christians”. You’ll have much more respect for Mary in heart than for, say, Lakshmi. While you are a Hindu, you will have much more respect for Radha than for Mary. That will be lingering on and lingering on. When you develop that balance alright, then you are dharmic. That balancing has to be done. So one realization is within you like this. And one realization is this way, among you, and this is Dharma. Among all of you, there has to be another integration, a complete integration of understanding. Whether you are white, black or red, whether a Hindu, Christian or anything, you must know that there is only one way that is the living way of evolution and that there is only one God. And all of them are aspects of the same God, and there is no quarreling among them. Why are you quarreling? This goes against the Void. Complete integration works out in the stomach. And when you are completely integrated, you’ll be surprised, rationality drops out. Automatically, it drops out. Rationality keeps disintegration because if your heart says something, rationality says: "No, it’s not right". But, if you take out your rationality there and just see for yourself, then wisdom comes in and you just do it whatever is wise and good for your spirituality. [Aside: “How are you now? It’s better, it’s working out”.] So, Void we use in Sahaja Yoga in many ways. First of all, we have to, first of all, see the Void of a person, how he has got the Void. You can see it very easily because it might be pulsating. Maybe not be in your presence, I don’t know, but in My presence it does. But immediately you can feel the Void. The Void you feel on here, or on here. Now, just see these are the bases of all the chakras. You feel the Void here, or here. Basis of all the chakras you can feel, so you can understand how important is Void. Now, if it is catching here anywhere, or catching over here, you see, then you have to ask the questions about these various points: whether he is a materialist, whether he is a fanatic. But these questions you cannot ask that directly, because if I say: "Are you a fanatic?" he’ll hit Me hard. [Laughter] You have to be very, very clever about it. Now, how to ask a person whether you are a fanatic or not? Very easy. Say, he is a Muslim. So, you just ask him to put your hand, saying that, "Should I put some Kumkum on your head?" So, his fanaticism will come out immediately: "I can’t do this!" If he is a Christian then you just ask him, "Can you put a Swastika on your hand?" Cross he’ll accept. Swastika, "No, I’m not Hitler!" [Laughter] That’s how you can make it out whether he is open-minded or not, by suggesting things like this. So then he comes out with his fanaticism. Then what do you do? You do not condemn him as fanatic, no. That won’t be Sahaja style. You say, "All right, all right I’ve got it. The cross, will that be alright? All right, take the cross. Now, if I say that cross was first Swastika then it became cross, will you be angry?" Gradually it will work out. But if he is a fanatic, you go outside and tell Mohammad Sahib to beat him nicely. So He’ll do the job. Shoebeating is very necessary for all the fanatics. Nice shoebeating. But fanatics are one of the most difficult. Then those who have been to other gurus also will be showing up. These days you don’t get fanatics so many who’d come to Sahaja Yoga. Mostly they are guru-bitten [Shri Mataji laughs]. You see, there are frostbitten people, there are guru-bitten also [She laughs]. I mean, you see, mostly they are guru-bitten. Then you ask them, "Have you been to a guru? What your guru has done? This, that". If you tell them sometimes they can be fanatically attached to their gurus. Then they might be angry. They do it, but what to do? You see sometimes you have to tell them. [A ring bells – apart: Shri Mataji: It’s the food? Yogi: Yes. Yogi: Yes, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: It’s good they are looking after the food very nicely. (Laughter) Otherwise, if you have to cook also, then all your attention is there. So, much better than your ashram. (Laughter) Yogi: Agreed! Shri Mataji: No headache, nothing, you are having a nice time here and their food is ready, now serve, come along, have your food. Much better than your ashram. So, the right time, we are talking about Void. (Laughter) Alright. I’ll sit here – (Yogi speaks: “All our hunger has been satisfied today.” Shri Mataji laughs) Shri Mataji: Yes, make the food also dharmic and then eat it. Good. How are you now? Better? Yogini: Yes! Shri Mataji: Yes! This will do good to many because so many have had this problem with guru business. How are you now? It’s good…] [Tape interruption] It’s such a wide subject that I cannot cover it in one lecture, you’ll require many more; but the most important thing about Void is that that once you are enlightened, you become dharmic yourself. The Dharma starts flowing through your hand. These vibrations have a capacity to establish Dharma. So, when you put your hands now towards the five elements, say you put your hands towards the water, or you put your hand in the water – the water gets enlighted, vibrated. Then if somebody takes that water, it will establish Dharma into that person. Supposing somebody is a drunkard, now you put this vibrated water to him, give him to drink. He’ll feel nauseated after drinks. He’ll throw away the drinks, then he will stop. Some of you have noticed that when you came to Me first you felt a terrible nausea within you and you felt like vomiting, sometimes you felt uneasy, you see. So these vibrations through the water now pass into your stomach and they establish Dharma there, the proper relationship. It so happens that if you go on taking this water, the right-side is that physically you feel all right, and the water can give you such a power that you will never get cancer of the stomach, never get any trouble with the stomach. But left-side side it has greater power, this water, that it cleanses you – your sins – and puts your attention, fixes it up on Dharma. So, your attention doesn’t do – you are not tempted, that’s how you have seen people who come to Sahaja Yoga can give up drinks easily. Because it turns your attention towards Dharma. Then if you want to take drinks you just don’t feel like after some time. You feel like vomiting, you feel like headache, and all that. And it happens so easily. Now we know somebody’s reaction – he gave up with all his drinking in no time. Otherwise, it’s not possible to do it, but because of this happening in the stomach, now you cannot drink. Just imagine. This is the great thing about Void is that once you are enlightened you can give something to the nature. You have been drawning everything from nature so far. First time now you start giving something to the nature. And what you give to the nature is so nourishing to it also. Supposing you give vibrations to, say, fruits, or to trees, or to flowers. You will find they will be ten times more, the growth will be much more, they will be lustrous. And they will be very juicy, very tasty and the whole atmosphere will be different. Maybe after some time, these trees, if they will be standing there, anybody will be passing that way, if he touches the tree they will get the vibrations also from there. So maybe a tree may become a curer, something like that. All those waters and all that, we talk of "curing water", are nothing but vibrated waters. They are vibrated. So, if the vibrated water goes inside, you get cured. So, this is on the left-hand side it works, that it establishes your religion within you. All the problems you have had is all completely cleansed out by that. In the same way, if you enlighten a light – now here [Mother turns to the flame of the candle] you have seen so many times just here, what you can enlighten a light is. So it starts going, see, both are there but this one is working as if… It’s actually also going vertically, but this and this you have taking out the black. It is because it is enlightened. That is also enlightened, no? So it may also take out. But this one actually in the hand is taking away the… If you see these lights you can feel they are like pulled out like this. As if, you see, the realized lights are pulled out like this, straight. And, I’ve been to some of these churches where they have these lights, and as soon as I enter inside they all go “kakakakakak”. (Shri Mataji laughs) It is interesting to see how they start suddenly glowing like that. But people do not notice it because they do not understand how, why it has happened, but you can understand that. So, if you put the light, enlightened light – Say, yesterday – the other day we had that Havana, is the enlightened light. Havana we had made it enlightened, Jagrut. Then whatever we put into it, you see, our badhas and everything, it burned whatever we wanted to burn away. What is the beauty of fire is that, say, if you have some mixed-up gold and you put it to fire, you will find the gold will be separated and the filth or dirt or whatever is inside it will be separated. So, this quality, which is the right-hand side quality of the fire is, becomes in the left-hand side is that when you go near such a fire, or you use such a fire or a light, then what happens that whatever is unwanted in you is burned away, and you get the pure thing. So it purifies. Fire is a purifier and it is a melter, it melts your heart. This fire melts your heart and you feel the compassion. So that’s how every element can be enlightened, and this is the work done in the Void by your Kundalini. Kundalini goes to various places and She enlightens all these elements in your stomach. In the stomach, the basic principle is of water. The Void is covered with water, and in the water there is salt, and the salt is nothing but is the Dharma. Is the Dharma, the salt. That’s why when we give you salt what happens – the salt that is vibrated goes and helps you in the stomach. And salt shows its own nature there by absorbing all that is in you which is, we can say, is mobile there. A person supposing is, has got a cancer problem, then he should take salt. If he has a right-hand side problem, he should, she should just take sugar. So these are the two qualities, you see, the five of dharmas are done by salt and five by sugar. And these are the best solvents in the water, as you know. So, all these three things put together: water, then salt, then the sugar, they solve the problem of the Void. That’s why we use these two things. If you remember Christ has said that “you are the salt”. That means you are the Gurus. Salt is the Guru. That’s why he said: «You are the salt.» Because you are the Gurus. And salt dissolves into water. Water is the Dharma. They are the absorbers – (a noise covers some words… probably “salt”) always has a water of crystallization. They, it cannot exist without, the salt cannot exist without water. So, the water and salt put together means ocean. So, Void is the ocean within us. That’s why it is called as Sagara. That means all the oceans of the world are in our stomach. And if you want to hear them sometimes, you can put your thumb in my ears and you can hear it coming (as a sound? Indistinct), you can hear it. So, this is all the time this ocean is churned and out of it comes out all that is good, and whatever is bad is burnt away, or washed away, or made to – with the air – it is made to be swept off. So the air element is also there, air element that we see all around. [Recording cut] … so the vibrated air is a very important thing and it helps a lot. [Recording cut] So I’ve talked to you about all the four, but the fifth one is Akasha, it’s the ether, you can say. That works out when you are a realized soul. Then you, you also vibrate the Ether. That’s how our main collective work is done, through the Ether, you see. Now, supposing I want that you should get a proper seat – “Whether you are going or something, alright, take a seat, alright” – anything materialistic you can say, or My chair how do you down there, how will this… I have to just worry about it, immediately [Shri Mataji snaps Her fingers] the orders are sent, all right? So, Saint Michael and Saint Gabriel, both of them say: «Now what should we do? We must find a proper place.» So, they take Don into consideration, [Shri Mataji points to a yogi in the audience who has just arrived and miraculously got a good seat through Shri Mataji’s direction] then they bring him down here and find out a nice place for him. Is all done through Ether. Ether, it becomes – when it is enlightened, you see, then it communicates the ideas, the things which are Divine or the desires, the Divine desires are carried out. And then you are placed into his hands, sometimes you are surprised: «How am I here? How are you here? How do I meet you? I mean, I was not to come this side and then now how did I come?» All these things can be done through the Ether which… Even we get our television and everything through Ether. But on the television, if the Ether, if you, if you, say, enlighten it, then it will so happen, that a bad [spread?] program won’t materialize. It won’t materialize. It can work very dynamically. You cannot imagine how these miracles take place. And real miracles are felt, you know of course we do feel the miracles of all the other elements, but it’s not so obvious as that of the Ether because you are suddenly surprised: «How this? Why?» And it’s – everybody is surprised at it, all here in in the plate you get all this. So, this is done by Ether and it is so miraculous. It is so miraculous, that it is hard to believe that it is possible. Now, this Ether works day-time and night-time. It doesn’t take rest anywhere. It’s all the time up for us, means it is all the time ready to work out the divine work. All the time it is ready to work out the divine work. It doesn’t wait. It doesn’t wait for anyone to give orders or anything; it’s just, just waiting there. As soon as it sees that this is desired, alright, nothing is to be told, just to desire and you say that: «Oh, what will be happening to such and such person?» Finished, it’s done. It has been transmitted. The same Ether that transmits the – what you call? – the air transmissions which you receive on the radios, radio transmissions. The same one, when enlightened, does all this job. He works it out, everything. Everything that you want it works it out. And there’s how the angels show their… [Shri Mataji searches the word in Marathi] their miraculous feats. But it is worth noticing all that and watching it, and witnessing it and noting it down: «Oh, how it helped and how it worked out!» And it also Ether when enlightened brings people closer to Divine power. It arranges and organizes. But now, one would ask what is the necessity for God to have such complicated methods of “enlightening the matter”? Why not it has already the enlightened matter? It’s the question one should ask, I mean, I’m asking as you people are there, so I’m asking you. Let’s see the answer. [Recording interrupted. Continuing of the recording is a conversation about personal matters: That’s your problem. Yesterday I told you to say that “I’m not guilty”. It’s just a joke you are enjoying, you are just playing games with yourself when you say that. Because you like to play such terrible jokes with yourself. Don’t say that you are guilty. At all. By saying that, you see, you are trying to enjoy a sort of a sadism against yourself. You are against yourself. Self that is your Spirit. The yogi: That’s what it feels like, it feels like… (Indistinct words) Shri Mataji: That’s not a good thing. That’s not what is wanted, is not what is desired, so just don’t play on them. Whatever are your moods are not correct. They should not be there. By your moods, you are lost. Sometimes you get this mood, sometimes you get another mood of aggression. Whether is a temper or something like that. And sometimes you get into this kind of an apologetic mood. Both are useless, absolutely useless. Just throw them away. Why should we do it? Both are mythical. – (The yogi speaks) – Yes, this positivity also – this so-called positivity means aggression on others, you start showing your aggression on others. You can aggress others also. That’s even worse. – (The yogi speaks) – That’s, that’s, that’s, that’s the thing I was saying. Be joyous, be happy for what God has given you. Watch the birds in the morning time. See the flowers in the morning time. What do they have? They are standing in the sun, in the rain, they are facing the nature all the time. Imagine the delicate petals of the flowers. Do they show any signs of negativity or of aggression? They only emit fragrance. Till they live they will emit fragrance. When they will die, they are not bothered. Aggressive person cannot come to Sahaja Yoga, he cannot go very far. Neither a negative person, but aggressive cannot. He’ll drop out. Sahaja Yoga recedes from such people. You have to be humble, but you are not to be slaves. In extremes at least one should know the difference between the two. You see, there is extremes, say something is very black – then you can see the white very clearly against it, isn’t it? And when you know how to move from one extreme to another extremes, you should be able to see both the things very clearly. And that’s how you come to the center. I mean, it is for your own good to be like that. You may say, “Yes, we understand, Mother, but we can’t do it”. Could try. You just watch yourself and see how it works, how your mind is working: it’s your horse and you have to master it. You are supposed to be a rider and the horse is taking you somewhere wherever it feels like, either to negativity or to the positivity so-called – means the aggressiveness. It’s the horse that is leading you, not you are leading the horse. What kind of a rider it is? And the horse is like a pendulum and you are led by it. And when you identify yourself with that horse you think, “What to do? It is happening.” You can control it. You have to tell yourself, that is to tell your mind to behave itself. Otherwise, you people cannot go very deep into Sahaja Yoga. You have to go much deeper. If you are worried about superficialities you cannot go deeper. Deep down is the Truth. There lies all the joy. All the trees, all the big trees have their roots deep down. Find out your roots: where are they? They are all embedded in your heart and in your Spirit, not in these superficial things where your mind is moving with the wind, here and there, just like a dead leaf. If a big train arrives, and the train is faced, say – with a – some sort of an obstacle, it cannot stop. But if there’s a little worm and if it wants to save itself from the train it can. It can hide itself away somewhere. You are not a worm. You are a human being. A little living thing can do that much. You are a human being and if you cannot stop yourself from your destruction, then who can stop you? You see the nature: people live together. Tiger lives in a forest and there are many creatures who exist, too. But if human beings cannot save themselves with all the brain that they have, their dynamic styles you see, with all the energy that they have, with all the discoveries that they have made, then who is going to save mankind? Either you aggress on others or you kill yourself: and then what should Mataji do? Or what should anyone do under these circumstances – but to make you face it? In Sahaja Yoga, you can face it very clearly. You can see others doing it also, but first, you must see it in yourself. Unless and until you see it in yourself what you are doing to yourself, you cannot see in others. When I say “you see it in yourself” you become self-centered. I mean, anything You say can be twisted. When I say “you see it in yourself”, that means you detach yourself and see in yourself: what is your mind doing? That’s how you can love others also that they are doing the same. Like a person, say, is fond of good food all the time. If he can see that he is hankering after good food all the time, he is thinking about good food, his mind is working like that – if he can see that he can correct it also. If he can see it. Apart from that, when he sees somebody doing it, he would not hate that person, but he would help him to cure. On the contrary, I have seen those who are like that, hate the other person, make fun of the other person, while they have the same weakness. Why, why it happens? There’s a, there’s a psychological reason. Because that point which is doing like this, wrong in him – you hate that point in you, subconsciously, and that’s what you hate in others; but that is consciously. If you hate that part in you consciously, there wouldn’t be any problem. That part which is negative, the part that is telling you all these things, the part that misleads you, the part that spoils you, the part that covers the Self – you see – in you, if you could manage to see that and say: “No, not that part, no.” But then you start despising the rule (unclear word). It’s a very subtle thing: either you move from this side to that side. If I try to push you, you’ll just go like a spring to the other end. If I try to push on that side like a spring you go to the other end. Thing is, the basic thing is the extremes are to be avoided. This is the basic point is: extremes to be avoided. If you feel you are getting negative, take your shoe and beat yourself nicely. Go out and shout or take a pillow and hit it hard, alright? But if you are negative inside, what you will do you will go and beat your wife or beat your husband, whatever may be the case. It’s a very simple thing for a Sahaja Yogi to do, is to be amused about yourself. Just be amused, “Look at this Mr. So and So, now it’s me.” When you start seeing yourself like that, you see, be amused at yourself. “Ah, so now, Mr. So and So is coming up like this! Oh, come along, come along, now the vanity, come along! I would like to see the vanity that I am. See Mr. Ego coming up. Now, here Mr. Ego stands.” (Laughter) Then (Shri Mataji laughs) you will start seeing. Be amused about it in the real sense, and you will be surprised that these things will drop out. Yogi (not clearly audible): You know this, I mean when You observe something, and You say what You observed…. (rest is indistinct). Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, of course, very much so. Yes. Yogi: You’ll say that… Shri Mataji: Yes. Yogi: But we – but we’ll still not correct it. What’s wrong? Shri Mataji: No, you should say: “Get away, you take two running jumps and go away”. That will help Me. If you want to have phraseologies, I can tell you, but I think you are much more equipped in English language with all the beautiful humour that have – you have. Just play that on yourself, you see. Humour is a beautiful thing that you can really play on yourself, instead of playing these melancholy songs (laughter) and foolishly indulging into all this romantic nonsense. (Laughter) Better play some humour on yourself, sit down, (with a deep sense of humour? – Not clear) and enjoy the humour upon yourself. It works wonders, you see. And those who know how to laugh at themselves are the best people. [Tape cut] All that was foolish is chiselled out and you see the beautiful joy-giving Spirit manifesting itself beautifully within you alone. And all your worries, all your problems and all negativity and so-called aggressiveness and everything just disappears and you are one with that. And you are seeing through (all?) that, the brilliance that it is giving. You are seeing through and feeling the dignity of that and the joy of it, the brilliance it is giving. Just think, if you are the sun and you come. And you see the sun coming, the rays coming and working it out and curing and changing the colours and giving life. Imagine, how dignified you feel and how beautiful you feel. But you don’t feel vain about it. If you are that you just don’t feel that there’s something special about it. You just see it. Vanity comes when you don’t have something. When you have it, you say: “It’s alright, it’s me”. It’s just flowing. It’s just watching how it’s beautifully it is flowing. Because of scientific research in the psychological sphere, this myth has come to us that if we try to enjoy something like that then you’ll become proud. So you just don’t enjoy. I mean the subtotal of the whole thing is – psychologists – is this that you don’t enjoy anything in life. It’s the subtotal it comes to (She laughs). If it is not worked with a Realized soul, with the compassion and love and proper understanding, it amounts to that. That you just don’t enjoy anything in life. You analyze everything: this way you are bad, that way you are bad. This way you are wrong, that way you are wrong. So you are wrong completely, you should be finished: you are good for nothing, useless, thrown away. End up in the lunatic asylums or in some other wretched place, which is not meant for human habitation at all. Idiotic it is, I must say. Stupid it is! It is like a – we call it in Marathi Dhoopatne, is the thing we use for burning the incense, you see. It is hollow on this side and hollow on the other side also because one side is the stand and the another side is where you put the incense. So you take that Dhoopatna, and you ask for something, you see. So something is given on this cup, you turn it round for the other side. So, the other side you can see it, but see this side that is filled in it’s gone, so you go to see, you want to see the other side now, that what is left in the other one, it’s nothing is left altogether, it’s finished. So it is said that: ‘Hati Dhoopatne dene’ means this dhupatne is the thing is given to you in the hand. So first you see this side, you try to fill the joy in the cup, alright? Then you turn it around to fill the other side of it. But this side you receive it and the other side is the support. So you need not go to the right, then to the left. By the time you go to the left, the right is over, and the right side you run up to, the left is over. Just be in the center! Push yourself in the center. Just be there. See the silence. Silence of joy crawls in. [Long silence] What’s it? What happens? [A yogi was asleep, exchanges on that, “Sleeping!” people laugh] That’s the best! (A yogini says: “Still sleeping beautifully!”.) Eh? (More laughter and exchanges) That is the best, this… (indistinct words). Now, any questions? Yogi: How far should we be concerned with other people, Shri Mataji… Shri Mataji: What’s it? Yogi: (Not clearly audible) How far… should we be concerned with other people, I mean, in a situation where are other people there who should now better understand… Shri Mataji: Yes. Yogi: … (Unclear audio) And yet you know, you are dependent for them on the stupid ones. (Shri Mataji laughs. The yogi continues speaking but it is not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: Yes. I would say, you see, Regis, that you have wisdom. All of you have your wisdom. And you tell them in a way that you carry the [boat?] as they say. Because if you tell somebody: “You are stupid.” I mean, he will make hell for Me. You’d better not do that (She laughs). Alright. Now, if you tell somebody that: “You are very clever” when he is stupid (laughter) if he is really… Yogi (not clearly audible): When they think, they know that, and then it’s not a stupid. Shri Mataji: Yes, they will know that, too. Because people here are very clever, you see. They are stupid in their wisdom. But understanding that – what others are talking and all that, they know very well. So, best thing is whenever you have to work on them, work on them secretly. Give them a bandhan, give them shoe-beating. But openly you give them tea. [Laughter. Yogi speaks… Vibrated…] Vibrated, of course, of course, of course, of course. Keep Mataji’s photograph and a candle there and then invite. Give them tea. Give them some chanas. You see, that’s how you have to work with these people. Because they don’t understand this, they may be clever. So, give them some Chanas. When they want to have some water, give them vibrated water. [Audio ends here]

Dharma, Talk to Sahaja Yogis, London (UK), October 5th, 1978 That, the central one is the sustaining power means is the power by which we evolve, that means we get our sustenance as it is. This sustenance that we have got as a human being when it is to be manifested on the five elements that we have within ourselves, the source is there but we have to reach it through its different elements. When this interchange takes place or, we can say, when we have to put this force outside, that is to be done through establishment of Dharma on these. Like a superimposition or, you can say, the connection. Like you can say, say there is sun. Sun is the source of light and the source of light has (to?) come to this earth which is created out of the five elements. So the sun’s rays have to come, but when they come inside, in this move, what do they do? They enlighten this world. But it’s only possible if there is Dharma, means the light is there, the rays are there. The rays can be obstructed by many things. If the rays are obstructed, then there is a-dharma. So the source of Dharma, the spreading of Dharma and ultimately the manifestation onto the five elements is a complete thing that is Void. This play goes on within us. Our evolutionary power which has worked from the very beginning, from matter state, when the matter got itself as organized then we had carbon as tetravalent, then from carbon, the life started – all this is the work of the sustaining force. Then we became human beings. Now we have got ten dharmas within us which we have to keep all right. These are the main Ten Commandments. These Ten Commandments we have to look after. And these are looked after by the people who are the primordial masters, as you call them “incarnations”…(a noise covers the voice) like Raja Janaka, like Moses, like Socrates, like Nanaka, the last one was the Shirdi Sai Nath. This is the principle is there, is the primordial Master. Now, there is another principle that is in there by which you receive it. This is called as the disciple principle, the primordial Disciple principle, represented by the Moon and the Sun, presided by Buddha and Mahavira. So, this disciple element if it is not in you, you cannot receive it. But when you start getting – receiving it, this Dharma gets into you and then you become the guru. You become the guru when this is completely sustained in you. It starts as a disciple and then ends up as a Guru. This is the Void part within us. First of all, as the human beings are, we do not observe the first ten basic principles. In this country for example, or in the West, we have – we observe the five of them because of laws. In the countries like India, they observe the rest five, because of their society. So, in any way we are lacking some of them. Five are missing here or five are missing there. This is the situation of the Dharma today. The Gurus and their disciples they do this connection and then the matter, which is created out of five elements, get vibrated. You can enlighten the matter. When the Dharma is complete you can enlighten the matter. The rituals that these people used which was called as you see, do Dharmik rituals, they call them do dharmik, these are the deeds of Dharma, is to worship, to do Puja and to pray to God and to do all these things, prayer. All these things after some time became absolutely deadened because there was no Realized soul as a Guru and no Realized soul as a disciple. So, it was just a joke going on, you see. It has no meaning. Supposing I tell somebody who is not realized to give himself a bandhan, he cannot. [Aside: “He is coming back, don’t you worry! Both of them have run away. He’ll agree then somehow. The sister is realized, the wife is realized. Born. But the husband is like that, what to do? He came… Yogi: He came. Shri Mataji: Eh? He came in. (Yogis: “Came”.) Came, ran away half-way, he still cannot decide which way to go. (A yogi says something) Shri Mataji: He is alright. Should be alright. Yogi: I’m wondering where he’s gone. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Yogi: I would like to know whether he’ll come. (Indistinct words) Shri Mataji (laughs): So you will see gradually how it works.] So this Void is so important because that is how you establish your receiving ends in your being, the five elements within you. Meaning the five elements that exist (within you? – Not clearly audible). In Sahaja Yoga, we try the other way round stuff. Yes, I have tried it this (way?). Now, what to do? The Dharma is all ruined. It is. There is another way: all these elements are represented in your chakras, different chakras. So why not take the Kundalini through these chakras and enlighten the elements themselves? Even there is no Dharma in a person you can do it. But then the Kundalini goes back to all the places which you have missed. But if you have been to some guru and you have bent your head before him, then the Kundalini stops at that Void. It doesn’t move, it goes here, and there, and there. It just stops, it doesn’t go further, it’s very difficult. You have seen the Void pulsating so badly. It just doesn’t rise, it always goes back into that bottomless pit as you can call it. It’s always sucked into that again and again if you have had a guru. So we try to remove the guru from your mind by so many ways. Deny them completely, absolutely, so that they get out of your minds. And again raise the Kundalini, and from the innermost, the Brahma Nadi as they call it, the innermost Nadi, the Sukshma Nadi. Otherwise, you cannot reach there. From outside you go on cleansing, cleansing, cleansing until you reach there, you find you cannot pierce through. But outside cleaning helps you in one way, that the Brahma Nadi becomes wider, the Nadi that is in the center of Sushumna. If you – there’s less pressure then it is a wider one so for Kundalini rising there is a better chance. But in Sahaja Yoga, the subtlest of subtlest, Kundalini we catch, and thread it microscopically inside, and take it out. And by taking it out what happens, these chakras definitely get enlightened, they expand. That’s how we expand the Sushumna. Expanding Brahmanadi. This was – this is the trick of Sahaja Yoga. Because this cleansing is going to take too much time as you said. The whole thing is to be cleansed out and then it is to be released and then you have to meet some guru who has to take it. So the Sadhachar [virtue, correct action], whatever Buddha has said, the right, the right action, the right that he has said it, is the one that is Dharma. That’s what is described. But that doesn’t work out with human beings, it’s meant for people who are Realized souls. Most of these religions are meant for Realized souls, you can find out. Actually, Realized souls only took to religion before. Those who were born again, 'dwijah', Brahmins, who took to religion. But the time has come for people who are not Realized also to take to religion and to receive His blessings. Sahaja Yoga is the only way one can do it – is to take it in the subtle-most – innermost Nadi, enlightened every chakra, increase the size of the chakra, pierce a little bit here, then again raise the another thread, then again the third thread, like that, go on expanding. [Aside: “This is it, you are all right. Good. Good, that’s it…”] This is how it works out. In her case I did the same, I was just talking to you. Now the main thing about Void one has to remember: there is no rationality. It’s the hunger inside the stomach, and hunger has no rationality. I it is hungry it will eat. It has to eat, no rationality can satisfy it. If you are hungry, you are a bhakta [devout]. And when you have spiritual hunger, the same hunger becomes subtler and subtler, ultimately it becomes a spiritual hunger. First, the hunger starts of, say, food, of primitive things. Then hunger for sex life, hunger for women, hunger for men, then for power, then for money. Then the hunger for spirituality starts. When that hunger is concentrated and starts rising without any rationality about it: you don’t know why you are seeking. Like Buddha: he had everything, he had a wife and his father had provided him with everything. Still, his heart was seeking. Why was he seeking? It’s the hunger that is not rationality, that isn’t explained. And then this hunger starts and the way we quench that hunger is Dharma. The way we keep it intact is the Dharma. Supposing you are hungry: you go and eat some poison: then it is a-dharma. I know you are hungry, but you have to eat proper food. The knowledge about that is Dharma: what food you must eat, what books you must read, what people you must meet, how you should live, what should be your attitude towards others, others’ things, others’ wives, children, daughters. Everything related to the other, all that knowledge is Dharma. But it has no rationality. Like, you see, a man ran away, say, with somebody’s daughter, he would say: «What’s wrong?» I cannot answer it. I cannot answer it. If a man has bad relations, say, with his own mother. He says: «What’s wrong in this?». You cannot answer, there’s no rationality. It is so, it’s a fact: «Thou shall not commit adultery.» Christ has said even to have adulterous eyes is wrong. But at the time, it was Christ who came in. At the Moses’ time people did not know this eyes business, but Christ could see that and He had said it, that: «Those who have even adulterous eyes are committing a sin.» So, how to deal with the others? Say, materialism now: we are so attached to matter, is also problem of the Nabhi. Materialism is a false identification with matter, all falsehood – with matter, with human beings, with books, with all that is created, is the problem of Nabhi. So, you can understand how important is Nabhi. And the one that prescribes it, is the Dharma, is the Guru. They did not come like Me to convince you and argue out with you. They said: «Thou shalt not…». That’s a commandment. Commandment means there’s not to reason why. It’s a commandment. There’s no rationality in Dharma. Now, the one who is dharmic does not think about sin at all. Now, I’ll tell you about Myself. Say, I go to a party and they start a cabaret dance. I do not think about it whether it is illegal or whether it is wrong with this adharma, nothing. I do not think, but immediately I vomit. My grand-children, you see, they one day were watching the TV and three of them came vomiting. I went and saw the TV and it was a horrid thing going on. They just came and started vomiting. There’s no rationality about it. It is against human sustenance. It is sub-human. Like animals cannot feel the dirt or filth, we can. We feel horrible smell coming. But those who work, say, in filth cannot feel any smell. If you go near a factory where sugar is produced you feel terrible there, get the smell of these molasses and you can’t bear it, but those who are working there are so much used to it that they cannot feel it. Those who live in sin cannot feel the sin after some time, they become insensitive to it. But sin is a sin. So the insensitivity, when we develop within ourselves, we become adharmic. When we are sensitive about it, we are dharmic. On the left-hand side, the intuition about it, the auspiciousness of it – is the thing that one has to learn, the auspiciousness. A housewife is to be respected, honoured and comforted because it is auspicious. A wife has to be respectable. A housewife doesn’t – It doesn’t look nice for a housewife, you see, to be dressed in a funny way. Once a chief cabinet secretary from India, his wife had come and she used to think she is very young and smart or something. She was wearing those tight jeans and things like that, you see. And the poor husband, you see, looked at this side, that side. He didn’t know what to do. And she is – I mean, very big man. All right. And she came down in London, she was thinking: «Oh, she is a great, smart thing», you know. And they were invited to a dinner – it’s a real thing, you know, real thing that has happened. And when this man was to go from somewhere and she had to go from somewhere else. So, when he went there, he said: «Where is my wife?» He said: «She hasn’t come right now.» He said: «No, she was to come, she is not like that, she is much smarter than me, she must have arrived.» He looked around, he couldn’t find her. And there was a lady standing, he said: «There’s your secretary has come, she is standing there.» And he didn’t know what to say because she really looked like a secretary and not his wife. So the housewife has to be dignified and respectable and she is to be respected. It’s the part of that auspiciousness. And the wife, that essence of a wife is the governing… So you can imagine those women who used to stand for lib and all that and those who tried to sort of say that: «Why should we be respectable if the husband is not if he is carrying on with the other women I should also carry on with the other men.» You must know that you are withholding that great position in the stomach, on the left-hand side of every human being. And that’s why the left Nabhi catches in England so much; and in America, I think it’s missing already (laughter). So, that is to ask to, say, to a man you see, who is so developed, and is so, he thinks no ends of himself, you see, and the civilization where work is so important and money is even more important than work is. To him, it’s silly to think that a housewife’s respectability is so important in the play of the universe. Yes, it is. Where the women become dis-respectable the whole – you see, that’s the breaking point of the society. There the human beings will start destroying. That’s the real atomic bomb you have got. But it is so, I cannot rationalize it, it is made like that. All the Gurus have said: «You should not drink.» Even Moses. Every one of them has said: «You cannot drink», means take any kind of ann alcohol or any things that will take away your awareness, because that is the place of your awareness. In the sense that whatever goes wrong here spoils your attention, and if your attention is spoiled, your awareness is spoiled. The attention is in here. The attention is in the stomach, in the Void. So, how important is your attention. Wherever you put your attention, that works out. When you are Realized, then your attention is Realized. Wherever you put your attention it works like a spade, it works like a sword, it works like a loving hand, it works like a kiss, it works like a comforting heart. It is an enlightened attention in your stomach. You see, the mother has the child in the stomach, in the womb, and how it looks after the child, a little baby, how it protects. All that is there is given to us through our Gurus, our own beings which are our masters, who teach us. The stomach teaches you, your stomach is your Guru. Amoeba became a human being through the stomach only, through the hunger it had. If it did not have hunger it would not have evolved. And the hunger teaches you. And when you learn it properly, then you become the Guru yourself of the whole world and the universe. Void, that’s why is very important, and when you have had bad gurus, you have read horrible books, accepted them as facts and truths, then your Void gets spoiled, your attention gets spoiled. It goes to wrong things. Attention, when it works through your eyes, can also go to wrong things. Everywhere wherever the attention moves it can do wrong things if it is adharmic. But as I said there is no rationality about it. Dharma is to be accepted. You cannot rationalize it. To a point, you may try, but how far it harms you, you cannot rationalize. And then the curses of Divine comes on you. Any kind of fanaticism or identification with one ideal – like Muslims thinking they are Muslims. They are adharmic. They are not dharmic. Dharma is that you have to respect all the religions. It is a sin not to respect any incarnation. It is a sin not to respect any religion. And to identify with one and denounce the other. So, give up all these false dharmas and come to that one Dharma which evolves you, which gives you light by which you can see the oneness among all these religions. As I’ve said it before, that they are like beautiful flowers on one tree nurtured by one sap, adorned by one tree; but fools take the flowers out, say that “These are our flowers” and kill them. And when these flowers die, ugliness becomes the so-called religions. So, in essences, respect all the religions, and all the incarnations. Fanaticism is absolutely against the Nabhi and against the Void because the whole balance of your Void is to be kept. In a very subtle and subtler form, you will be sticking onto it. Say, you are born a Christian, so whatever you may try you cannot get out of this feeling that “We are Christians”. You’ll have much more respect for Mary in heart than for, say, Lakshmi. While you are a Hindu, you will have much more respect for Radha than for Mary. That will be lingering on and lingering on. When you develop that balance alright, then you are dharmic. That balancing has to be done. So one realization is within you like this. And one realization is this way, among you, and this is Dharma. Among all of you, there has to be another integration, a complete integration of understanding. Whether you are white, black or red, whether a Hindu, Christian or anything, you must know that there is only one way that is the living way of evolution and that there is only one God. And all of them are aspects of the same God, and there is no quarreling among them. Why are you quarreling? This goes against the Void. Complete integration works out in the stomach. And when you are completely integrated, you’ll be surprised, rationality drops out. Automatically, it drops out. Rationality keeps disintegration because if your heart says something, rationality says: "No, it’s not right". But, if you take out your rationality there and just see for yourself, then wisdom comes in and you just do it whatever is wise and good for your spirituality. [Aside: “How are you now? It’s better, it’s working out”.] So, Void we use in Sahaja Yoga in many ways. First of all, we have to, first of all, see the Void of a person, how he has got the Void. You can see it very easily because it might be pulsating. Maybe not be in your presence, I don’t know, but in My presence it does. But immediately you can feel the Void. The Void you feel on here, or on here. Now, just see these are the bases of all the chakras. You feel the Void here, or here. Basis of all the chakras you can feel, so you can understand how important is Void. Now, if it is catching here anywhere, or catching over here, you see, then you have to ask the questions about these various points: whether he is a materialist, whether he is a fanatic. But these questions you cannot ask that directly, because if I say: "Are you a fanatic?" he’ll hit Me hard. [Laughter] You have to be very, very clever about it. Now, how to ask a person whether you are a fanatic or not? Very easy. Say, he is a Muslim. So, you just ask him to put your hand, saying that, "Should I put some Kumkum on your head?" So, his fanaticism will come out immediately: "I can’t do this!" If he is a Christian then you just ask him, "Can you put a Swastika on your hand?" Cross he’ll accept. Swastika, "No, I’m not Hitler!" [Laughter] That’s how you can make it out whether he is open-minded or not, by suggesting things like this. So then he comes out with his fanaticism. Then what do you do? You do not condemn him as fanatic, no. That won’t be Sahaja style. You say, "All right, all right I’ve got it. The cross, will that be alright? All right, take the cross. Now, if I say that cross was first Swastika then it became cross, will you be angry?" Gradually it will work out. But if he is a fanatic, you go outside and tell Mohammad Sahib to beat him nicely. So He’ll do the job. Shoebeating is very necessary for all the fanatics. Nice shoebeating. But fanatics are one of the most difficult. Then those who have been to other gurus also will be showing up. These days you don’t get fanatics so many who’d come to Sahaja Yoga. Mostly they are guru-bitten [Shri Mataji laughs]. You see, there are frostbitten people, there are guru-bitten also [She laughs]. I mean, you see, mostly they are guru-bitten. Then you ask them, "Have you been to a guru? What your guru has done? This, that". If you tell them sometimes they can be fanatically attached to their gurus. Then they might be angry. They do it, but what to do? You see sometimes you have to tell them. [A ring bells – apart: Shri Mataji: It’s the food? Yogi: Yes. Yogi: Yes, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: It’s good they are looking after the food very nicely. (Laughter) Otherwise, if you have to cook also, then all your attention is there. So, much better than your ashram. (Laughter) Yogi: Agreed! Shri Mataji: No headache, nothing, you are having a nice time here and their food is ready, now serve, come along, have your food. Much better than your ashram. So, the right time, we are talking about Void. (Laughter) Alright. I’ll sit here – (Yogi speaks: “All our hunger has been satisfied today.” Shri Mataji laughs) Shri Mataji: Yes, make the food also dharmic and then eat it. Good. How are you now? Better? Yogini: Yes! Shri Mataji: Yes! This will do good to many because so many have had this problem with guru business. How are you now? It’s good…] [Tape interruption] It’s such a wide subject that I cannot cover it in one lecture, you’ll require many more; but the most important thing about Void is that that once you are enlightened, you become dharmic yourself. The Dharma starts flowing through your hand. These vibrations have a capacity to establish Dharma. So, when you put your hands now towards the five elements, say you put your hands towards the water, or you put your hand in the water – the water gets enlighted, vibrated. Then if somebody takes that water, it will establish Dharma into that person. Supposing somebody is a drunkard, now you put this vibrated water to him, give him to drink. He’ll feel nauseated after drinks. He’ll throw away the drinks, then he will stop. Some of you have noticed that when you came to Me first you felt a terrible nausea within you and you felt like vomiting, sometimes you felt uneasy, you see. So these vibrations through the water now pass into your stomach and they establish Dharma there, the proper relationship. It so happens that if you go on taking this water, the right-side is that physically you feel all right, and the water can give you such a power that you will never get cancer of the stomach, never get any trouble with the stomach. But left-side side it has greater power, this water, that it cleanses you – your sins – and puts your attention, fixes it up on Dharma. So, your attention doesn’t do – you are not tempted, that’s how you have seen people who come to Sahaja Yoga can give up drinks easily. Because it turns your attention towards Dharma. Then if you want to take drinks you just don’t feel like after some time. You feel like vomiting, you feel like headache, and all that. And it happens so easily. Now we know somebody’s reaction – he gave up with all his drinking in no time. Otherwise, it’s not possible to do it, but because of this happening in the stomach, now you cannot drink. Just imagine. This is the great thing about Void is that once you are enlightened you can give something to the nature. You have been drawning everything from nature so far. First time now you start giving something to the nature. And what you give to the nature is so nourishing to it also. Supposing you give vibrations to, say, fruits, or to trees, or to flowers. You will find they will be ten times more, the growth will be much more, they will be lustrous. And they will be very juicy, very tasty and the whole atmosphere will be different. Maybe after some time, these trees, if they will be standing there, anybody will be passing that way, if he touches the tree they will get the vibrations also from there. So maybe a tree may become a curer, something like that. All those waters and all that, we talk of "curing water", are nothing but vibrated waters. They are vibrated. So, if the vibrated water goes inside, you get cured. So, this is on the left-hand side it works, that it establishes your religion within you. All the problems you have had is all completely cleansed out by that. In the same way, if you enlighten a light – now here [Mother turns to the flame of the candle] you have seen so many times just here, what you can enlighten a light is. So it starts going, see, both are there but this one is working as if… It’s actually also going vertically, but this and this you have taking out the black. It is because it is enlightened. That is also enlightened, no? So it may also take out. But this one actually in the hand is taking away the… If you see these lights you can feel they are like pulled out like this. As if, you see, the realized lights are pulled out like this, straight. And, I’ve been to some of these churches where they have these lights, and as soon as I enter inside they all go “kakakakakak”. (Shri Mataji laughs) It is interesting to see how they start suddenly glowing like that. But people do not notice it because they do not understand how, why it has happened, but you can understand that. So, if you put the light, enlightened light – Say, yesterday – the other day we had that Havana, is the enlightened light. Havana we had made it enlightened, Jagrut. Then whatever we put into it, you see, our badhas and everything, it burned whatever we wanted to burn away. What is the beauty of fire is that, say, if you have some mixed-up gold and you put it to fire, you will find the gold will be separated and the filth or dirt or whatever is inside it will be separated. So, this quality, which is the right-hand side quality of the fire is, becomes in the left-hand side is that when you go near such a fire, or you use such a fire or a light, then what happens that whatever is unwanted in you is burned away, and you get the pure thing. So it purifies. Fire is a purifier and it is a melter, it melts your heart. This fire melts your heart and you feel the compassion. So that’s how every element can be enlightened, and this is the work done in the Void by your Kundalini. Kundalini goes to various places and She enlightens all these elements in your stomach. In the stomach, the basic principle is of water. The Void is covered with water, and in the water there is salt, and the salt is nothing but is the Dharma. Is the Dharma, the salt. That’s why when we give you salt what happens – the salt that is vibrated goes and helps you in the stomach. And salt shows its own nature there by absorbing all that is in you which is, we can say, is mobile there. A person supposing is, has got a cancer problem, then he should take salt. If he has a right-hand side problem, he should, she should just take sugar. So these are the two qualities, you see, the five of dharmas are done by salt and five by sugar. And these are the best solvents in the water, as you know. So, all these three things put together: water, then salt, then the sugar, they solve the problem of the Void. That’s why we use these two things. If you remember Christ has said that “you are the salt”. That means you are the Gurus. Salt is the Guru. That’s why he said: «You are the salt.» Because you are the Gurus. And salt dissolves into water. Water is the Dharma. They are the absorbers – (a noise covers some words… probably “salt”) always has a water of crystallization. They, it cannot exist without, the salt cannot exist without water. So, the water and salt put together means ocean. So, Void is the ocean within us. That’s why it is called as Sagara. That means all the oceans of the world are in our stomach. And if you want to hear them sometimes, you can put your thumb in my ears and you can hear it coming (as a sound? Indistinct), you can hear it. So, this is all the time this ocean is churned and out of it comes out all that is good, and whatever is bad is burnt away, or washed away, or made to – with the air – it is made to be swept off. So the air element is also there, air element that we see all around. [Recording cut] … so the vibrated air is a very important thing and it helps a lot. [Recording cut] So I’ve talked to you about all the four, but the fifth one is Akasha, it’s the ether, you can say. That works out when you are a realized soul. Then you, you also vibrate the Ether. That’s how our main collective work is done, through the Ether, you see. Now, supposing I want that you should get a proper seat – “Whether you are going or something, alright, take a seat, alright” – anything materialistic you can say, or My chair how do you down there, how will this… I have to just worry about it, immediately [Shri Mataji snaps Her fingers] the orders are sent, all right? So, Saint Michael and Saint Gabriel, both of them say: «Now what should we do? We must find a proper place.» So, they take Don into consideration, [Shri Mataji points to a yogi in the audience who has just arrived and miraculously got a good seat through Shri Mataji’s direction] then they bring him down here and find out a nice place for him. Is all done through Ether. Ether, it becomes – when it is enlightened, you see, then it communicates the ideas, the things which are Divine or the desires, the Divine desires are carried out. And then you are placed into his hands, sometimes you are surprised: «How am I here? How are you here? How do I meet you? I mean, I was not to come this side and then now how did I come?» All these things can be done through the Ether which… Even we get our television and everything through Ether. But on the television, if the Ether, if you, if you, say, enlighten it, then it will so happen, that a bad [spread?] program won’t materialize. It won’t materialize. It can work very dynamically. You cannot imagine how these miracles take place. And real miracles are felt, you know of course we do feel the miracles of all the other elements, but it’s not so obvious as that of the Ether because you are suddenly surprised: «How this? Why?» And it’s – everybody is surprised at it, all here in in the plate you get all this. So, this is done by Ether and it is so miraculous. It is so miraculous, that it is hard to believe that it is possible. Now, this Ether works day-time and night-time. It doesn’t take rest anywhere. It’s all the time up for us, means it is all the time ready to work out the divine work. All the time it is ready to work out the divine work. It doesn’t wait. It doesn’t wait for anyone to give orders or anything; it’s just, just waiting there. As soon as it sees that this is desired, alright, nothing is to be told, just to desire and you say that: «Oh, what will be happening to such and such person?» Finished, it’s done. It has been transmitted. The same Ether that transmits the – what you call? – the air transmissions which you receive on the radios, radio transmissions. The same one, when enlightened, does all this job. He works it out, everything. Everything that you want it works it out. And there’s how the angels show their… [Shri Mataji searches the word in Marathi] their miraculous feats. But it is worth noticing all that and watching it, and witnessing it and noting it down: «Oh, how it helped and how it worked out!» And it also Ether when enlightened brings people closer to Divine power. It arranges and organizes. But now, one would ask what is the necessity for God to have such complicated methods of “enlightening the matter”? Why not it has already the enlightened matter? It’s the question one should ask, I mean, I’m asking as you people are there, so I’m asking you. Let’s see the answer. [Recording interrupted. Continuing of the recording is a conversation about personal matters: That’s your problem. Yesterday I told you to say that “I’m not guilty”. It’s just a joke you are enjoying, you are just playing games with yourself when you say that. Because you like to play such terrible jokes with yourself. Don’t say that you are guilty. At all. By saying that, you see, you are trying to enjoy a sort of a sadism against yourself. You are against yourself. Self that is your Spirit. The yogi: That’s what it feels like, it feels like… (Indistinct words) Shri Mataji: That’s not a good thing. That’s not what is wanted, is not what is desired, so just don’t play on them. Whatever are your moods are not correct. They should not be there. By your moods, you are lost. Sometimes you get this mood, sometimes you get another mood of aggression. Whether is a temper or something like that. And sometimes you get into this kind of an apologetic mood. Both are useless, absolutely useless. Just throw them away. Why should we do it? Both are mythical. – (The yogi speaks) – Yes, this positivity also – this so-called positivity means aggression on others, you start showing your aggression on others. You can aggress others also. That’s even worse. – (The yogi speaks) – That’s, that’s, that’s, that’s the thing I was saying. Be joyous, be happy for what God has given you. Watch the birds in the morning time. See the flowers in the morning time. What do they have? They are standing in the sun, in the rain, they are facing the nature all the time. Imagine the delicate petals of the flowers. Do they show any signs of negativity or of aggression? They only emit fragrance. Till they live they will emit fragrance. When they will die, they are not bothered. Aggressive person cannot come to Sahaja Yoga, he cannot go very far. Neither a negative person, but aggressive cannot. He’ll drop out. Sahaja Yoga recedes from such people. You have to be humble, but you are not to be slaves. In extremes at least one should know the difference between the two. You see, there is extremes, say something is very black – then you can see the white very clearly against it, isn’t it? And when you know how to move from one extreme to another extremes, you should be able to see both the things very clearly. And that’s how you come to the center. I mean, it is for your own good to be like that. You may say, “Yes, we understand, Mother, but we can’t do it”. Could try. You just watch yourself and see how it works, how your mind is working: it’s your horse and you have to master it. You are supposed to be a rider and the horse is taking you somewhere wherever it feels like, either to negativity or to the positivity so-called – means the aggressiveness. It’s the horse that is leading you, not you are leading the horse. What kind of a rider it is? And the horse is like a pendulum and you are led by it. And when you identify yourself with that horse you think, “What to do? It is happening.” You can control it. You have to tell yourself, that is to tell your mind to behave itself. Otherwise, you people cannot go very deep into Sahaja Yoga. You have to go much deeper. If you are worried about superficialities you cannot go deeper. Deep down is the Truth. There lies all the joy. All the trees, all the big trees have their roots deep down. Find out your roots: where are they? They are all embedded in your heart and in your Spirit, not in these superficial things where your mind is moving with the wind, here and there, just like a dead leaf. If a big train arrives, and the train is faced, say – with a – some sort of an obstacle, it cannot stop. But if there’s a little worm and if it wants to save itself from the train it can. It can hide itself away somewhere. You are not a worm. You are a human being. A little living thing can do that much. You are a human being and if you cannot stop yourself from your destruction, then who can stop you? You see the nature: people live together. Tiger lives in a forest and there are many creatures who exist, too. But if human beings cannot save themselves with all the brain that they have, their dynamic styles you see, with all the energy that they have, with all the discoveries that they have made, then who is going to save mankind? Either you aggress on others or you kill yourself: and then what should Mataji do? Or what should anyone do under these circumstances – but to make you face it? In Sahaja Yoga, you can face it very clearly. You can see others doing it also, but first, you must see it in yourself. Unless and until you see it in yourself what you are doing to yourself, you cannot see in others. When I say “you see it in yourself” you become self-centered. I mean, anything You say can be twisted. When I say “you see it in yourself”, that means you detach yourself and see in yourself: what is your mind doing? That’s how you can love others also that they are doing the same. Like a person, say, is fond of good food all the time. If he can see that he is hankering after good food all the time, he is thinking about good food, his mind is working like that – if he can see that he can correct it also. If he can see it. Apart from that, when he sees somebody doing it, he would not hate that person, but he would help him to cure. On the contrary, I have seen those who are like that, hate the other person, make fun of the other person, while they have the same weakness. Why, why it happens? There’s a, there’s a psychological reason. Because that point which is doing like this, wrong in him – you hate that point in you, subconsciously, and that’s what you hate in others; but that is consciously. If you hate that part in you consciously, there wouldn’t be any problem. That part which is negative, the part that is telling you all these things, the part that misleads you, the part that spoils you, the part that covers the Self – you see – in you, if you could manage to see that and say: “No, not that part, no.” But then you start despising the rule (unclear word). It’s a very subtle thing: either you move from this side to that side. If I try to push you, you’ll just go like a spring to the other end. If I try to push on that side like a spring you go to the other end. Thing is, the basic thing is the extremes are to be avoided. This is the basic point is: extremes to be avoided. If you feel you are getting negative, take your shoe and beat yourself nicely. Go out and shout or take a pillow and hit it hard, alright? But if you are negative inside, what you will do you will go and beat your wife or beat your husband, whatever may be the case. It’s a very simple thing for a Sahaja Yogi to do, is to be amused about yourself. Just be amused, “Look at this Mr. So and So, now it’s me.” When you start seeing yourself like that, you see, be amused at yourself. “Ah, so now, Mr. So and So is coming up like this! Oh, come along, come along, now the vanity, come along! I would like to see the vanity that I am. See Mr. Ego coming up. Now, here Mr. Ego stands.” (Laughter) Then (Shri Mataji laughs) you will start seeing. Be amused about it in the real sense, and you will be surprised that these things will drop out. Yogi (not clearly audible): You know this, I mean when You observe something, and You say what You observed…. (rest is indistinct). Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, of course, very much so. Yes. Yogi: You’ll say that… Shri Mataji: Yes. Yogi: But we – but we’ll still not correct it. What’s wrong? Shri Mataji: No, you should say: “Get away, you take two running jumps and go away”. That will help Me. If you want to have phraseologies, I can tell you, but I think you are much more equipped in English language with all the beautiful humour that have – you have. Just play that on yourself, you see. Humour is a beautiful thing that you can really play on yourself, instead of playing these melancholy songs (laughter) and foolishly indulging into all this romantic nonsense. (Laughter) Better play some humour on yourself, sit down, (with a deep sense of humour? – Not clear) and enjoy the humour upon yourself. It works wonders, you see. And those who know how to laugh at themselves are the best people. [Tape cut] All that was foolish is chiselled out and you see the beautiful joy-giving Spirit manifesting itself beautifully within you alone. And all your worries, all your problems and all negativity and so-called aggressiveness and everything just disappears and you are one with that. And you are seeing through (all?) that, the brilliance that it is giving. You are seeing through and feeling the dignity of that and the joy of it, the brilliance it is giving. Just think, if you are the sun and you come. And you see the sun coming, the rays coming and working it out and curing and changing the colours and giving life. Imagine, how dignified you feel and how beautiful you feel. But you don’t feel vain about it. If you are that you just don’t feel that there’s something special about it. You just see it. Vanity comes when you don’t have something. When you have it, you say: “It’s alright, it’s me”. It’s just flowing. It’s just watching how it’s beautifully it is flowing. Because of scientific research in the psychological sphere, this myth has come to us that if we try to enjoy something like that then you’ll become proud. So you just don’t enjoy. I mean the subtotal of the whole thing is – psychologists – is this that you don’t enjoy anything in life. It’s the subtotal it comes to (She laughs). If it is not worked with a Realized soul, with the compassion and love and proper understanding, it amounts to that. That you just don’t enjoy anything in life. You analyze everything: this way you are bad, that way you are bad. This way you are wrong, that way you are wrong. So you are wrong completely, you should be finished: you are good for nothing, useless, thrown away. End up in the lunatic asylums or in some other wretched place, which is not meant for human habitation at all. Idiotic it is, I must say. Stupid it is! It is like a – we call it in Marathi Dhoopatne, is the thing we use for burning the incense, you see. It is hollow on this side and hollow on the other side also because one side is the stand and the another side is where you put the incense. So you take that Dhoopatna, and you ask for something, you see. So something is given on this cup, you turn it round for the other side. So, the other side you can see it, but see this side that is filled in it’s gone, so you go to see, you want to see the other side now, that what is left in the other one, it’s nothing is left altogether, it’s finished. So it is said that: ‘Hati Dhoopatne dene’ means this dhupatne is the thing is given to you in the hand. So first you see this side, you try to fill the joy in the cup, alright? Then you turn it around to fill the other side of it. But this side you receive it and the other side is the support. So you need not go to the right, then to the left. By the time you go to the left, the right is over, and the right side you run up to, the left is over. Just be in the center! Push yourself in the center. Just be there. See the silence. Silence of joy crawls in. [Long silence] What’s it? What happens? [A yogi was asleep, exchanges on that, “Sleeping!” people laugh] That’s the best! (A yogini says: “Still sleeping beautifully!”.) Eh? (More laughter and exchanges) That is the best, this… (indistinct words). Now, any questions? Yogi: How far should we be concerned with other people, Shri Mataji… Shri Mataji: What’s it? Yogi: (Not clearly audible) How far… should we be concerned with other people, I mean, in a situation where are other people there who should now better understand… Shri Mataji: Yes. Yogi: … (Unclear audio) And yet you know, you are dependent for them on the stupid ones. (Shri Mataji laughs. The yogi continues speaking but it is not clearly audible) Shri Mataji: Yes. I would say, you see, Regis, that you have wisdom. All of you have your wisdom. And you tell them in a way that you carry the [boat?] as they say. Because if you tell somebody: “You are stupid.” I mean, he will make hell for Me. You’d better not do that (She laughs). Alright. Now, if you tell somebody that: “You are very clever” when he is stupid (laughter) if he is really… Yogi (not clearly audible): When they think, they know that, and then it’s not a stupid. Shri Mataji: Yes, they will know that, too. Because people here are very clever, you see. They are stupid in their wisdom. But understanding that – what others are talking and all that, they know very well. So, best thing is whenever you have to work on them, work on them secretly. Give them a bandhan, give them shoe-beating. But openly you give them tea. [Laughter. Yogi speaks… Vibrated…] Vibrated, of course, of course, of course, of course. Keep Mataji’s photograph and a candle there and then invite. Give them tea. Give them some chanas. You see, that’s how you have to work with these people. Because they don’t understand this, they may be clever. So, give them some Chanas. When they want to have some water, give them vibrated water. [Audio ends here]

10/14/1978

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Seminar Day 1, Bija Mantras, Shri Lalita, Shri Chakra

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First Western seminar: Bija Mantras, Shri Lalita and Shri Chakra. East Hampstead Park, Peacock Lane, Wokingham, Bracknell RG40 3DF, (UK) 14 October 1978. When the Kundalini rises it makes sounds. And the sounds that are heard in the different chakras can be pronounced in the following way – these pronunciations are being used in the phonetic language of Devanagari, which means ‘the language spoken by the Devas’. At the Mooladhara, where there are four petals, the sounds are: [vum, shum, sshum, sum]. Out of which the lasts, sshum and sum sounds are very close, but the difference is – when the snake hisses it makes this sshum – the third sound. So, vum, shum, sshum, sum. At the Swadishthana, where there are six petals, it makes sounds, six sounds: [bum, bhum, mum, yum, rum, lum]. Manipur it has ten petals. It makes the sounds dum, dhum, num, tum, thum, dum, dhum, nnum, pum, phum. At Anahata there are twelve petals. It makes the sounds kum, khum, gum, ghum, [ngum-?], chum, chhum, jum, jhum, [nngum-?], tum, thum. At the Vishuddhi, where there are sixteen petals, it makes the sounds of all the vowels: a, aa, i, ii, u, uu, r, rr, lr, lrr, e, ai, o, ou, am, ahm. At the Agnya chakra it makes ha, ksha. At the Sahasrara, one becomes thoughtless and no sound is made, but the pure Anahata, meaning the throbbing in the purest form as in the heart is all: lub-dub, lub-dub, lub-dub. When all these sounds are sounded together and pass through the spiral of the body, if the body is like a conch, the sound that comes out of the synthesis is Aum. Like the seven colors of the sun ultimately become white rays, or you can say the golden colored rays. There are three Granthis, means the knots: the Brahmagranthi, the Vishnugranthi and the Rudragranthi. With Agni, means fire, when the Brahmagranthi meets between the Kundalini, Mooladhara chakra and the Swadishthana – means Mooladhara chakra, Mooladhara and Swadishthana chakra – then Agni Brahmagranthi is established. Vishnugranthi when mixes up with the Surya, that is between the Nabhi and the Ruddhaya chakra, Surya Vishnugranthi is established. When Vishuddhi and Agnya auras meet, then Chandra Rudragranthi is established. Altogether there are fourteen Nadis. The names are: Alambusi, Kuhu, Vishvodhari, Varuna, Hastajihva, Yashaswati, Ashvini, Gandhari, Pusha, Shankhini, Saraswati, Ida, Pingala, Sushumna. Apart from two chakras, which are Surya and Chandra, there are nine other chakras: Mooladhar chakra, Swadishthan chakra, Manipur chakra, Anahata chakra, Vishuddhi chakra. Lambika chakra – this is also called as Hamsaha chakra, Agnya chakra. Between Agnya and Sahasrara there are two other sub-chakras, known as Naad, Bindu. So, we have: Mooladhara, Swadishthan, Manipur, Anahat, Vishuddhi, Lambika, called as Soma [unsure] 'uch'– called as Hamsa, Agnya, Naad, Bindu, Sahasrara. (Shri Mataji explains the sub-chakras and their deities of Shri Shri Chakra, by reading and translating) Apart from that, there are nine chakras on the sides, like Shri Lalita. And they have different Yoginis, means the powers, the Shaktis, guiding those nine Shakti Pithas, or you can call them as Avarana chakras. The first one is Shri Lalita, the Goddess Shri Lalita, which is the goddess of beauty. She is the joy giving, Sarvanandamaya. Gives the joy from everything. In every created world, in every particle, in every form, there is a power which gives us joy. This power is the power of Shri Lalita. She is called as Mahatripurasundari, Para [highest], Para Atirahasya Yogini, means ‘Para Para Atirahasya [secrets]’, ‘the One who knows the secrets.’ The ‘Para’. ‘Para’ means ‘the one that is beyond of the beyond’, the secrets of that area. The one who knows is Shri Lalita, who is the Yogini. At this state She is Bindu Sarvanandamaya. She is the dot [Bindu] which is joy giving. Second power, or ‘Avarana’ - means the enclosure- is like a triangle. She is 'Sarvasidhhipradha'. She is the One who gives all the siddhis. She has got three sides. She [the presiding Deity] is called as Tripuramba: Kameshwari, Vajreshvari, Bhagamalini are the three Yoginis. Third one is called as 'Astha Sarvarogahara'. This is another enclosure. The name of the Goddess is Tripurasiddha Atirahasya, meaning these Goddesses know the deep secrets of all the siddhis. The chakra is called as Sarvarogahara and the enclosure is called as Ashta.The eight powers are called as Vagadevata, means the power of the speech.First is Vashini, means which attracts.Kameshwari which excites.Modini which makes you happy.Vimala which makes you clean.Aruna which gives you colour of the face.Jayini which gives you a feeling of victory.Sarveshi which connects you to everyone.Kaulini is the one which gives you boons. The fourth enclosure is called as 'Antar dasha'. The chakra of this enclosure is called as Sarvarakshakari, the One that protects. The Goddess is called as Tripuramalini.The powers are:Sarvagnya, the One which is all knowing.Sarvashakti is all powerful.Sarveshvariprada, the giver of all the bounties.Sarvagnyanamayi, the knower of all the knowledge.Sarvavyadivinashini, the destroyer of all the diseases.Sarvadharaswarupa, the support of all the forms.Sarvapapahara, the destroyer of all the sins.Sarvanandamayi, the One who makes everyone joyous.Sarvarakshaswarupini, the One who protects all of them.Sarvepsitaphalaprada, the giver of all the ‘phalas’, means fruits, rewards. The fifth enclosure is called as 'Bahir dasha Sarvartha Sadhaka'. Bahirdashar is the name of the enclosure. And Sarvartha Sadhaka is the chakra’s name. Tripurashri is the name of the Goddess.She has powers:Sarvasiddhiprada, she gives all the siddhis.Sarvasampathapradha, she’s the One who’s giver of all wealth. Sarvapriyamkari, she’s the one who is beloved of all. Sarvamangalakarini, she’s the one who gives all that is auspicious. Sarvakamapradha, the One who gives all of our desires. Sarvadukhavimochini, the One who is the destroyer of all our pains. Sarvamrityuprashamani, the One who pacifies the dead. Sarvavighnatanivarini, she is the one who is the remover of all the hurdles.Sarvangasundari, the One who makes every side of life happy. Sarvasaubhagnyadayini, the One who is the giver of good fortune. The sixth enclosure is known as 'Chaturdasha Sarvasaubhagnya'. Tripuravasini is the name of the Goddess, Chaturdasha is the name of the enclosure, and the chakra’s name is Sarvasaubhagnyadayaka. The Goddesses’ name is Tripuravasini.The powers are:Sarvasamkshobhini, the One who burns off everything.Sarvavidravini, the One who can disperse.Sarvakarshini, the One which attracts everything.Sarvahaladini, the One who is the giver of joy.Sarvasammohini, the One who can entice all over.Sarvasthambhini, the One who makes everyone alerted.Sarvajrumbhini [the power to extend].Sarvavashamkari, the One who is the controller of all.Sarvaranjini, the One who entertains all.Sarvonmadini, She’s the one who gives all the special joys.Sarvarthasadhini, the One who gives the meaning of all things.Sarvasampattipurini, the One who gives all the well-being.Sarvamantramayi, the one who is residing in all the mantras.Sarvadvandvakshayankari, the one who destroys all the dualities of life. The seventh Avarana or enclosure, is called as 'Ashta dala [padma]'. And the chakra of this Avarana is called as Sarvasamkshobhanikara. Here, She is called as Tripurasundari. She’s the one who gives the beauty to women, to be attractive wives.[The powers are:]Ananga [incorporeal] Kushuma Devi, She smells of many flowers.Anangamekhala Devi, who is solid like a rock in the family.Anangamadana Devi, the One who is attractive.Anangamadanatura Devi, the one who gives desire to meet.Anangarekha Devi, the One which crosses the different boundaries.Anangaveghini Devi, the One which gives you speed.Anangankusha Devi, the One who gives power of ‘Ankusha’, means the controlling of man. Anangamalini Devi, the One which is very gracious. Eighth enclosure is called as 'Shodhasha dala [padma]'. The name of the chakra is Sarvashaparipuraka. The Goddesses’ name is Tripureshvari. She’s the one who has got sixteen powers.The first is Kama, means the attraction [Karshini] of body.Buddhya is the attraction by brain.Ahamkara, attraction by ego.Fourth, Shabda, attraction by words.Fifth is Sparsha, attraction by touch.Sixth, [Rupa] attraction by beauty.Seventh, attraction by aesthetics, Rasa.Eighth, Gandha, attraction by fragrance.Ninth, attraction by attention, chitta.Tenth, Dhairya, attraction by courage.Eleventh, Smritya, attraction by memory.Twelfth, Nama, attraction by name.Thirteenth is Bija, attraction through the seed.Fourteenth, Atma, attraction by Spirit.Fifteenth [Amrita] is attraction by eternity.Sixteenth [Sharira] attraction by warmth of the body.These are all the attractions which are subtle and are in the Goddess, which act in a way that the sadhaka is attracted towards Her. The ninth one is called as the ‘Bhupura’, this is the ninth enclosure, whilst chakra’s name is Trailokya Mohana. The name of the Goddess is Tripura.There are ten powers in this chakra. Its first is Sarvasankshobhini. Sarva Vidravini, SavraKarshini. These three, I’ve already explained. Sarva Vashamkari, this one I’ve also explained. Sarvonmadini, the One who [inaudible], Sarvamahankusha, the One who controls.Here the ‘Ankusha’ means the weapon that is used by the elephant driver. So, how he controls the elephant in the same way She controls all. Sarva Khechari, the One who attracts all. Sarva Bija, the One who is the seed in all. Sarva Yoni, the One who exists in all the yonis. And Sarvatrikhanda, the One which exists in all the three dimensions. ‘Yoni’ means ‘the ellipse’ which is the power of the Mother. Apart from that, there are other Goddesses, which exist as the yellow line known as Muktashaktayama. The Mother Goddesses are called as Mahendri, Chamunda and Mahalakshmi. The siddhis that people can achieve are: Anima, Laghima, Mahima, Ishitva, Vashistva, Prakamya, Bhukti, Iccha, Prapti, Mukti.Anima is to become like a small particle.Laghima is to become small. Mahima is to have a big form.Ishitva is to create gods out of human beings.Vashistva is the attraction.Prakamya is the manifestation.Bhukti is the enjoyment.[Iccha is] the fulfilment of desire.Prapti is the attainment.Mukti is the salvation. These are all the siddhis that Sahaja Yogis can have. PART 2 [Not found here]:(Shri Mataji is breathing into the microphone 7 times.)Shri Mataji: Now. (Breathing into the microphone 7 times.)Shri Mataji: It’s like a mountain. (Breathing into the microphone 3 times.)Shri Mataji: Change your hands please, again. (Breathing into the microphone 3 times.)(Continuous repetition of this exercise.)

First Western seminar: Bija Mantras, Shri Lalita and Shri Chakra. East Hampstead Park, Peacock Lane, Wokingham, Bracknell RG40 3DF, (UK) 14 October 1978. When the Kundalini rises it makes sounds. And the sounds that are heard in the different chakras can be pronounced in the following way – these pronunciations are being used in the phonetic language of Devanagari, which means ‘the language spoken by the Devas’. At the Mooladhara, where there are four petals, the sounds are: [vum, shum, sshum, sum]. Out of which the lasts, sshum and sum sounds are very close, but the difference is – when the snake hisses it makes this sshum – the third sound. So, vum, shum, sshum, sum. At the Swadishthana, where there are six petals, it makes sounds, six sounds: [bum, bhum, mum, yum, rum, lum]. Manipur it has ten petals. It makes the sounds dum, dhum, num, tum, thum, dum, dhum, nnum, pum, phum. At Anahata there are twelve petals. It makes the sounds kum, khum, gum, ghum, [ngum-?], chum, chhum, jum, jhum, [nngum-?], tum, thum. At the Vishuddhi, where there are sixteen petals, it makes the sounds of all the vowels: a, aa, i, ii, u, uu, r, rr, lr, lrr, e, ai, o, ou, am, ahm. At the Agnya chakra it makes ha, ksha. At the Sahasrara, one becomes thoughtless and no sound is made, but the pure Anahata, meaning the throbbing in the purest form as in the heart is all: lub-dub, lub-dub, lub-dub. When all these sounds are sounded together and pass through the spiral of the body, if the body is like a conch, the sound that comes out of the synthesis is Aum. Like the seven colors of the sun ultimately become white rays, or you can say the golden colored rays. There are three Granthis, means the knots: the Brahmagranthi, the Vishnugranthi and the Rudragranthi. With Agni, means fire, when the Brahmagranthi meets between the Kundalini, Mooladhara chakra and the Swadishthana – means Mooladhara chakra, Mooladhara and Swadishthana chakra – then Agni Brahmagranthi is established. Vishnugranthi when mixes up with the Surya, that is between the Nabhi and the Ruddhaya chakra, Surya Vishnugranthi is established. When Vishuddhi and Agnya auras meet, then Chandra Rudragranthi is established. Altogether there are fourteen Nadis. The names are: Alambusi, Kuhu, Vishvodhari, Varuna, Hastajihva, Yashaswati, Ashvini, Gandhari, Pusha, Shankhini, Saraswati, Ida, Pingala, Sushumna. Apart from two chakras, which are Surya and Chandra, there are nine other chakras: Mooladhar chakra, Swadishthan chakra, Manipur chakra, Anahata chakra, Vishuddhi chakra. Lambika chakra – this is also called as Hamsaha chakra, Agnya chakra. Between Agnya and Sahasrara there are two other sub-chakras, known as Naad, Bindu. So, we have: Mooladhara, Swadishthan, Manipur, Anahat, Vishuddhi, Lambika, called as Soma [unsure] 'uch'– called as Hamsa, Agnya, Naad, Bindu, Sahasrara. (Shri Mataji explains the sub-chakras and their deities of Shri Shri Chakra, by reading and translating) Apart from that, there are nine chakras on the sides, like Shri Lalita. And they have different Yoginis, means the powers, the Shaktis, guiding those nine Shakti Pithas, or you can call them as Avarana chakras. The first one is Shri Lalita, the Goddess Shri Lalita, which is the goddess of beauty. She is the joy giving, Sarvanandamaya. Gives the joy from everything. In every created world, in every particle, in every form, there is a power which gives us joy. This power is the power of Shri Lalita. She is called as Mahatripurasundari, Para [highest], Para Atirahasya Yogini, means ‘Para Para Atirahasya [secrets]’, ‘the One who knows the secrets.’ The ‘Para’. ‘Para’ means ‘the one that is beyond of the beyond’, the secrets of that area. The one who knows is Shri Lalita, who is the Yogini. At this state She is Bindu Sarvanandamaya. She is the dot [Bindu] which is joy giving. Second power, or ‘Avarana’ - means the enclosure- is like a triangle. She is 'Sarvasidhhipradha'. She is the One who gives all the siddhis. She has got three sides. She [the presiding Deity] is called as Tripuramba: Kameshwari, Vajreshvari, Bhagamalini are the three Yoginis. Third one is called as 'Astha Sarvarogahara'. This is another enclosure. The name of the Goddess is Tripurasiddha Atirahasya, meaning these Goddesses know the deep secrets of all the siddhis. The chakra is called as Sarvarogahara and the enclosure is called as Ashta.The eight powers are called as Vagadevata, means the power of the speech.First is Vashini, means which attracts.Kameshwari which excites.Modini which makes you happy.Vimala which makes you clean.Aruna which gives you colour of the face.Jayini which gives you a feeling of victory.Sarveshi which connects you to everyone.Kaulini is the one which gives you boons. The fourth enclosure is called as 'Antar dasha'. The chakra of this enclosure is called as Sarvarakshakari, the One that protects. The Goddess is called as Tripuramalini.The powers are:Sarvagnya, the One which is all knowing.Sarvashakti is all powerful.Sarveshvariprada, the giver of all the bounties.Sarvagnyanamayi, the knower of all the knowledge.Sarvavyadivinashini, the destroyer of all the diseases.Sarvadharaswarupa, the support of all the forms.Sarvapapahara, the destroyer of all the sins.Sarvanandamayi, the One who makes everyone joyous.Sarvarakshaswarupini, the One who protects all of them.Sarvepsitaphalaprada, the giver of all the ‘phalas’, means fruits, rewards. The fifth enclosure is called as 'Bahir dasha Sarvartha Sadhaka'. Bahirdashar is the name of the enclosure. And Sarvartha Sadhaka is the chakra’s name. Tripurashri is the name of the Goddess.She has powers:Sarvasiddhiprada, she gives all the siddhis.Sarvasampathapradha, she’s the One who’s giver of all wealth. Sarvapriyamkari, she’s the one who is beloved of all. Sarvamangalakarini, she’s the one who gives all that is auspicious. Sarvakamapradha, the One who gives all of our desires. Sarvadukhavimochini, the One who is the destroyer of all our pains. Sarvamrityuprashamani, the One who pacifies the dead. Sarvavighnatanivarini, she is the one who is the remover of all the hurdles.Sarvangasundari, the One who makes every side of life happy. Sarvasaubhagnyadayini, the One who is the giver of good fortune. The sixth enclosure is known as 'Chaturdasha Sarvasaubhagnya'. Tripuravasini is the name of the Goddess, Chaturdasha is the name of the enclosure, and the chakra’s name is Sarvasaubhagnyadayaka. The Goddesses’ name is Tripuravasini.The powers are:Sarvasamkshobhini, the One who burns off everything.Sarvavidravini, the One who can disperse.Sarvakarshini, the One which attracts everything.Sarvahaladini, the One who is the giver of joy.Sarvasammohini, the One who can entice all over.Sarvasthambhini, the One who makes everyone alerted.Sarvajrumbhini [the power to extend].Sarvavashamkari, the One who is the controller of all.Sarvaranjini, the One who entertains all.Sarvonmadini, She’s the one who gives all the special joys.Sarvarthasadhini, the One who gives the meaning of all things.Sarvasampattipurini, the One who gives all the well-being.Sarvamantramayi, the one who is residing in all the mantras.Sarvadvandvakshayankari, the one who destroys all the dualities of life. The seventh Avarana or enclosure, is called as 'Ashta dala [padma]'. And the chakra of this Avarana is called as Sarvasamkshobhanikara. Here, She is called as Tripurasundari. She’s the one who gives the beauty to women, to be attractive wives.[The powers are:]Ananga [incorporeal] Kushuma Devi, She smells of many flowers.Anangamekhala Devi, who is solid like a rock in the family.Anangamadana Devi, the One who is attractive.Anangamadanatura Devi, the one who gives desire to meet.Anangarekha Devi, the One which crosses the different boundaries.Anangaveghini Devi, the One which gives you speed.Anangankusha Devi, the One who gives power of ‘Ankusha’, means the controlling of man. Anangamalini Devi, the One which is very gracious. Eighth enclosure is called as 'Shodhasha dala [padma]'. The name of the chakra is Sarvashaparipuraka. The Goddesses’ name is Tripureshvari. She’s the one who has got sixteen powers.The first is Kama, means the attraction [Karshini] of body.Buddhya is the attraction by brain.Ahamkara, attraction by ego.Fourth, Shabda, attraction by words.Fifth is Sparsha, attraction by touch.Sixth, [Rupa] attraction by beauty.Seventh, attraction by aesthetics, Rasa.Eighth, Gandha, attraction by fragrance.Ninth, attraction by attention, chitta.Tenth, Dhairya, attraction by courage.Eleventh, Smritya, attraction by memory.Twelfth, Nama, attraction by name.Thirteenth is Bija, attraction through the seed.Fourteenth, Atma, attraction by Spirit.Fifteenth [Amrita] is attraction by eternity.Sixteenth [Sharira] attraction by warmth of the body.These are all the attractions which are subtle and are in the Goddess, which act in a way that the sadhaka is attracted towards Her. The ninth one is called as the ‘Bhupura’, this is the ninth enclosure, whilst chakra’s name is Trailokya Mohana. The name of the Goddess is Tripura.There are ten powers in this chakra. Its first is Sarvasankshobhini. Sarva Vidravini, SavraKarshini. These three, I’ve already explained. Sarva Vashamkari, this one I’ve also explained. Sarvonmadini, the One who [inaudible], Sarvamahankusha, the One who controls.Here the ‘Ankusha’ means the weapon that is used by the elephant driver. So, how he controls the elephant in the same way She controls all. Sarva Khechari, the One who attracts all. Sarva Bija, the One who is the seed in all. Sarva Yoni, the One who exists in all the yonis. And Sarvatrikhanda, the One which exists in all the three dimensions. ‘Yoni’ means ‘the ellipse’ which is the power of the Mother. Apart from that, there are other Goddesses, which exist as the yellow line known as Muktashaktayama. The Mother Goddesses are called as Mahendri, Chamunda and Mahalakshmi. The siddhis that people can achieve are: Anima, Laghima, Mahima, Ishitva, Vashistva, Prakamya, Bhukti, Iccha, Prapti, Mukti.Anima is to become like a small particle.Laghima is to become small. Mahima is to have a big form.Ishitva is to create gods out of human beings.Vashistva is the attraction.Prakamya is the manifestation.Bhukti is the enjoyment.[Iccha is] the fulfilment of desire.Prapti is the attainment.Mukti is the salvation. These are all the siddhis that Sahaja Yogis can have. PART 2 [Not found here]:(Shri Mataji is breathing into the microphone 7 times.)Shri Mataji: Now. (Breathing into the microphone 7 times.)Shri Mataji: It’s like a mountain. (Breathing into the microphone 3 times.)Shri Mataji: Change your hands please, again. (Breathing into the microphone 3 times.)(Continuous repetition of this exercise.)

10/15/1978

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Seminar Day 2, Zen Void

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First western seminar: "Void, Zen". Easthampstead Park, Bracknell (UK), 15 October 1978. […] So, what’s the use of reading it? "Only praise the Mother!", that’s what He [Adi Shankaracharya] said. People asked Him, "Why have You praised the Mother only? Why don’t you write something else?" He said, "That’s the only way you can get it [the Realization]. What’s the use of giving all avidya, non-knowledge? I am giving the real knowledge: you praise the Mother and just do it." And all those learned pandits and all that, they challenged Him and they tortured their lives [of saints]. Now what is the present Shankaracharya Shringari doing, do you know that? This [Adi] Shankaracharya took a sanyasa because He had to work and dedicate Himself and He went all over the world whenever it was possible for Him. He went to Kashmir and all these places and He did such a lot of work. While this fellow who is a small little horrible thing, he is now meekly. Whether you like it or not, I will have to say it. He is trying to collect money because he has to make an umbrella of gold. And he has to put diamonds on that and on this are seven stones will be put and nine stones will be put on that umbrella and one day, when he will be sitting, the umbrella will be going to fall off. (Yogis laugh.) Yogini: Could I apt to you that [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: all the discussing masses is of his receptions-?] Another Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: The truth is not for the masses. The truth is the hardest thing to find …] Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s it! Yogini: That is said, so people would kindly [INDIST.] … Shri Mataji: But, but – you see, a truth can only, truth can be found when you remove the clouds. Yogini: Is the [INDIST: sun doing this]? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no – that you have to remove yourself. Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: It has to begin because the wind that chills before me and …] Shri Mataji: No, no – you can. Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: So take forth.] Shri Mataji: You see, it is your own mind that forms the cloud. If you are on the truth the clouds will disappear – but you must tell people there are clouds, you have to tell them. Not only – you have to tell them the fact, because you see, we are getting people here from different sources and different types, you see? I have been facing people in Japan. For example, I faced lots of Zen-People and I have to talk to them. Some of them did accept, some of them did not – what can I do about it? Another Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: It wasn’t made so, you come and there people could make new clouds like forcing this, so I think …] Yogi: This support needs to be the advantage of the people. Yogini: Yes, but you can’t convince that, so therefore that you, you learn some [INDIST.] – from where? You just walk round. Shri Mataji: That’s very nice to say, but doesn’t happen that way. They block your way because they are in your sub-conscious. You have to face that. You have to take them out, you have to cleanse them. With Sahaja Yoga – what happens? That you can see them and you can clear them. But if you just say, "Now I am realized, all it’s all right" – it is not so. It is not so. That’s why they did in, in the ancient times the Hata-Yoga style was first to take a person from childhood away from the madding crowd, keep him there, cleanse him, keep him in pure conditions and treat him very well and then give him a realization, gradually from one chakra to another chakra and take him up for – this was done in many ages, in many lives of those people. They were again selected, brought in and again it was done. It was a very long process. But now, after getting realization you can do it yourself. You can clear yourself, clean yourself, but you must face what sorts of problems there are. Now for some people here, I mean most of them, they have no this problem anymore now. They do not think that these Buddhist and anyone of them, whether Lamas or Damas or anything, they have any contribution made towards spiritual life. They are convinced of it. They do not contribute anything to spiritual life. These children do, such realized souls. It’s a realized soul. Now if he is a realized soul and if the, if the head of the Zen is not – what can you do about it? It’s a fact. And those who follow Zen are not following because they have to be realized. First thing is they should be realized and who will realize them if the head is not realized? If one light is not enlightened, how is it going to enlighten other lights? Yogini: Anyone has to do. The same is as they have been realized so they have got realization from here people anyway near thinking like that. It’s not after have been cured you really face it. Vienna, Milano, Geneva … Shri Mataji: Ah! Now you better tell them Sheila about yourself. You see, you are sticking on to this. Now just tell what happened to you, Sheila you tell them. Another Yogini: There is just one point … Shri Mataji: Ah. Yogini: … making list her she has to go the long way round to come to … Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no! Yogini: The point is that, you can’t dissolve that. Shri Mataji: It is not. Now I tell you one it is, you are saying this, that you people all believe that you are all guided that way. Your it is not. You see concealed guidance but nobody is going to force you that way. It’s your own choice. You make mistakes through your choice, your freedom is all the time there. What I can do is to tell you what is what – and leave it to your freedom. That if you think that if everybody has to go, then why should I be here? Yogini: Now I think they have to hear that when going once that people need a choice to see, they are not using just walk straight into the open door, they are going to crash into the wall on the way. So therefore people who come to you finally will be yours. Shri Mataji: Hm. Yogini: They would do that, I mean, but they … Shri Mataji: Yes, they do. Yogini: … they think that … Shri Mataji: Yes, I agree. Yogini: … they have to choose … Shri Mataji: Yes they do, I have all the patience, I know, I have, I have all the patience for them, but what My thing, My Job is to tell them, this is a wall and you don’t hit your head. And being a Mother, you can imagine, I see them as little babies now newly born. So I feel concern and I tell them very positively, very clearly that don’t jump into that pile. But still they do, some of them, Sheila did that. Another Yogini: [ INDIST. SOUNDS LIKE: That’s turnout, I said to Gregoire, it's snoring. You know I love him and I have been tortured there. I think now with Shri Mataji is terminated after the… But I am just gone put one thing a little bit to make sure and once I made" sure, Gina gone to walk another illuminating. I was just straight sure, completely.] Shri Mataji: She didn’t identify it all, she just visited that once. Once only. Yogini: I was very ill, physically and everything and intensive what just has been round by and then he was a man. I don’t like doing the same thing. (Yogis laugh.) Not to name it out – a good job. Shri Mataji: Just imagine … Yogini: … there are all persons limited … Another Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: When there is no talking, when there is …] (All Yogis laugh.) Shri Mataji: And now you see the people from Canada, now just see My position is, take up from Canada here, so many of them. I cleanse them, I clean them, I put them right. I tell them whatever it is, why they are sorry, lots of problems, how it happens. I mean I have to work really, really very hard for them, really very hard and then they again are going to some drama. So it, I have to point it out very clearly, that as long as you identify with falsehood you will not be realized. You cannot get it. You have to give up falsehood, see for yourself, work it out! The best judgement: your vibrations. You must get it. Now see this girl has been reading certain books and things and that’s falling on her head and she herself can feel it that there is a blockade in her head. You can feel it yourself, isn’t it? (A baby makes a little noise, the Yogis laugh.) If the sensitivity is all right then you go to the right point. But no, you see, your sensitivity is very much blurted and obstructed. Feel that, come here! Now ask Me other questions, all right? So it is for your own good, your own good and I’ll tell you. I am not telling even one thing that is not auspicious and I will know it, whether people like it or not. So sometimes I camouflage, because things do not go straight into their heads. As I told, that if somebody is stupid you shouldn’t say, "You are stupid." (Yogis laugh.) Yes! One has to go in a round way. That’s a Mother's style. But I have to tell you this, I am telling you the truth. First thing you should do is to establish your vibrations. First thing is that, then you talk about Realization. You should say nothing than, "First my vibrations. There are so many people who have established them. Why not, why not – I must get it." That’s the thing should be there. If that works out … it’s very good. If it doesn’t work out, then work it out. That’s the only thing that you have to get – nothing else. You have to understand. Now I asked her what books did she read, what happens? She told Me you see. So, I can now correct it, I know where is the problem, you see. By telling Me facts, what is the problem, I can correct it better. Like a doctor is to be told, what is the thing. Because most of the things here in the Western mind is mental. Our reading, our – you see – past life and all these things in the sub-consciousness has come and also our ambitions and our aspirations and all that – all these things work out, through Me. So, we have to clear ourselves, we have to be absolutely cleared out – this is what Buddha wanted, is enlightenment, what else? Did He want people to form for fighting? Nothing of that kind. He wanted only to get enlightenment, to be able to read themselves and not some books, you see. Buddha wrote no book. Nothing He wrote and those who write about Him were not realized people either. He said that you should not worship anything, because He was so fed up with the people who were worshiping all kinds of nonsense. So He said, no worship. Now they are worshipping His clothes, His hair, his nails, this, that … Of course, to Me I know, it is great, everything has a meaning, but to these people it has no meaning. They cannot feel the vibrations of that, so what are they worshipping? Like in Kashmir I went and I went to a place and I just got tremendous vibrations and I said, "What’s there here? Is there a Temple or something?" They said no. I said, "This place seems to be really vibrated." I stopped the car and asked the driver. He said, "You knew there is a big [INDIST.] that is the one hair of Mohamed is put there." Oh, I said, that’s great!" And the driver said, "What’s great? This hair has caused so much problem here. People have been fighting over it, there has been so many murders and this, that." Now what the poor hair has done? You see, just imagine. To Me it has given Joy and such feeling of oneness there. And to others it has given fighting. The Muslims have been fighting, because the hair was lost and this and that. Then when the hair was returned, they did not know whether it was a true hair or some other hair … (the Yogis laugh) … be contra-versus about things. We went to, there is one place of Valmiki-Ashram near Bihar, you see. On the other side of Bihar in Nepal and I went down there, you see, wading through a river to see that place. Just to feel it, I know it is that. So then when I came back and see one of them [INDIST.] very learned men from Bihar, he was also there. He said, "Mother what you think, is this the place where Sita-ji lived?" I said, "Yes She did. She did." He said, "How do You know?" I said, "I know it, for one thing, it’s My own experience that it was so. Apart from that, you can ask any Sahaja Yogi, they can say, that this is the place She lived, because you feel the vibrations throughout." He said, "Really there are books and books written against it, that this is not the place, this is non the Indian soil, not on the Nepali soil, this, that, all these things … Just imagine! That fighting about the Divine Mother, whether She was born in Nepal or here. She was a Nepali-Lady, She was born in Nepal, no doubt about it. But Nepal is no good, they are no good neither the Indians are. All are just the same. Horrible people, fighting anything good you bring it, they start fighting. What to do with this human nature? Actually, these people did not realize, none of them knew. As I know you people, really I can tell this point. Even Christ did not know how human beings are crooked. They are too good. Humanization has to be completed I think in this life of Mine and I get horrified. Still people think I am ignoramus, I don’t know much. I have to still read lots of things to understand human beings. You see, because of their so-called Intelligence – which cheats them – because they think is all-, they can manage, they think they can manage everywhere, who are they not managing is themselves, their own choice, their own properties, their own wealth – that’s what they are not managing, that’s what they are not feeling, that’s what they are missing. That is within them so great, bubbling, manifesting, anxious to come out, that’s all missing. Now what are they managing like fools? This is out of show. Somebody has to say it and can convince you. I am here to convince; I am here to convince you – about Buddha. And do you know Buddha took His birth again? He was Hassan and Hussein, one of them was Buddha, another was Mahavira. See the silence. Buddhist won’t accept, because they got frightened their lives, the way the Buddhist were all souring. Mohammed Sahib took His birth as Nanaka. If you read Nanaka’s life, I mean if you read what He has to say, all the time He is saying, "Oh God, how are you fighting among yourselves, the Hindus and the Muslims, or the Muslims and the other people? I am just the same. How are you fighting?" You see, when He died, Mohammed Sahib, when He saw where the religion was taken by Muslims He was to be born again. And tell them! But when He was born again and He started telling, people stoned Him. And these Sikhs asked them, these fools, you go and ask them, "What Mohammed, what He has done?" All His life He was trying to unite both of them because He was so much surprised at this and imagine, the Sikhs all their lives they are fighting the Muslims, and the Muslims, the fools, they are fighting the Sikhs. I talked to some Arab Ladies – they agree with Me. There is no meaning who agree with Me, you can see, after all they are intelligent enough to see. But something of it lurks in us which must be taken out, which is false. You must give up all that is false, because falsehood keeps you away from reality which is beauty and joy, which is yourself [your Self]. When I talked in nineteen-seventy first time and I unlatched all of them, they called it spiritual jugglery. Left and right all of them I said, that everybody was so frightened. There was one Raja of Mundi, he came, he said, "Mother they will go, come and kill You." I said, "This time I am going to kill them. Nobody is going to crucify Me now. Don’t you worry about Me" He said, "I am worried about your well-being. You are saying like this, you see, people will feel very angry with You." I said, "Let them come. This time I am going to face it. It was all right before I took up the show, but now no more. Let’s have it out. Somebody has to say it." It is very nice for Me to go about, "Oh pleasing all of you, oh very good, you, this society is very good, that church is very good, Pope, you are My love" and all that. (Yogis laugh.) And get all of them together, because I am a realized soul in and out. And I can say that, "Oh I am this, I have got curative-powers, I am raising Kundalini" and this and that, and get all of them put together. I could have done that way, but it is not going to work out. Of course, if they come to Me, I’ll manage, because there is a certain protocol of the truth. Christ did not go to these people and tell them. He argued with them and told them, what was the truth. Buddha preached non-violence, He thought that by non-violence-methods these people will accept. But He found by doing that, what has happened, all the horrible rakshasas are sitting there very nicely. Anybody who is a good person is to be tortured, that was the law. Anybody who is a religious person must be killed. Anybody who was a realized soul must be crucified. This was the pattern of life. So, they came as Hassan and Hussein and fought it. If the time comes the wrath of God will come upon these people. He has a very tremendous wrath. If in one incarnation if it has not shown, it doesn’t mean it does not exist. It does exist. It’s all right for Christ to say, that if you put, if somebody slaps you on one face, put the other around. It is just to develop your patience, but when you slap on one face of a realized soul, one side is cleared and when you put the other cheek, the second side is also cleared. Both the sides are just cleared out, that’s why it was said. The deeper sense is like that. And then the person falls at your feet, asking for forgiveness. Just see, a wasp hit Me here and the vibrations there – hundred times more. Isn’t it a funny thing? It is a very deep secrets of Mine, but at least you must know that and unless and until you have given up all that is falsehood, which keeps you floating on the surface you cannot go deep down. These are all bubbles, you know, you must have seen people floating with two balloons, jetting out, you see. In the same way our ego and superego keep you floating. It doesn’t allow you to go deep down into yourself. So by rationality you cannot understand it. You give up your rationality, come deep down in the center. You have to go in directly. Buddha did His job; He build up here on left-hand-side of your personality. Mahavira did His job here. Now it is My job to do it, is to break your Brahmarandra – and let Me do it. They are all within Me, They are part and parcel of Me and there is in Their mind every minute, every second, every moment They are here. Don’t worry about Them, you have to worry about yourself [your Self]. You just think how far you have gone with your meditation, how deep you have gone into yourself [your Self]. If you have not gone, it’s not a mistake of Sahaja Yoga, it is your own mistake. It is something wrong somewhere. Just went down, where is the mistake! Is your ego floating out, or is your super-ego floating out? What is not keeping you dive into your being? See now how much I am working hard on you – days in and days out. It is a simple thing. In Derby we had someone who belonged to a big organization and he came round and he started arguing out. So one of the Sahaja Yogis asked, "Now come and tell me, how many people you have given realization to, how many people you have cured?" He said, none. Then he said, "What are you talking to Mataji? She has given realization to thousands, you have seen. She has cured thousands of people, we have cured also, so better take it from Her instead of getting angry with Her and telling Her about this big organization that you have." When the fellow was changed and when he went and told his organization, people who would follow him as a guru, they said, "Oh he is gone mad." They left him and they selected another mad man to be their guru. Nobody is going to stand by you, organization-wise, I can tell you. All your organizations will never accept Me as a whole, never. Because they stand on some falsehood. They will never accept Me, the whole of it. None of these organizations are going to accept Me. In America I have seen the same thing. It is a sad thing, but it is the same thing. There is one lady who is running, she calls it “Light of the Universe”. She invited Me there and she is going to [INDIST: put all there-?]. She had arranged for Me a three-days-conference and all that, you see. At the end of it She took Me down into her house, down [INDIST: below it-?]. There she had made a temple and all full of bhoots and she said, "Here I call my master from Tibet." I said, "Very nice, and why have you called Me? "I put a convent to her and all that. I came the way." So some people left her completely, joining Me. She was writing to Me that, "I should go to her" and again like this, "because she makes a lot of money out of that." But I told her not to meet her for some time. So the whole of it won’t come to Me, because the basis is wrong, the basis is wrong, absolute falsehood it is. The basis of all these organizations is wrong. It has done no good, if you see it very clearly and honesty, they are doing no good. At the most they are philanthropic things like, we can say, a council which is rendering help to some sick people, to admit in the hospital, some this and that, that’s all. At the most if they are correct. You see, you are like council-members, you see council-members. But why bring in God there? It’s all right, you are social workers, do the social work. It is not spiritual. Spiritual work is spiritual question where you have to be awakened. You understand? So, all those societies or all those religions, all of them, one and all, hundred percent. You are saying twenty-five percent, I would say even if one percent is there, I’ll thank My stuffs. Even one percent I am not saying, a genuine one which is based on giving realization to people in the real sense of the word. These so called, these daya-makas place I have been there. This Yogananda was not a realized soul, you will be shocked that ‘Papaji’ and ‘Dadaji’ and all of them were not realized souls at all. Now the people who were there have come and told Me. You see they, there was a doctor we had, he died of that. He used to do all the Catharism, he used to cut his tongue, put it back, put it here, you see. Imagine all these things and always his tongue used to wag pointer like that and he had to put some sort of a hold for his tongue – otherwise the tongue would wag out like that. He had cut if for his threat and turn it up, put it here for raising the Kundalini – just imagine! Now if somebody comes like that, what should I say, "Now you cut your nose and put it inside" ? (Shri Mataji laughs loudly.) Just imagine! There are people like that. This is Yogananda’s school, they are doing Catharism. Kabira came and He lashed them, completely this Catharism and all that. He said, "One day your tongue will be cut, your noses will be cut and this will happen. You will be hanging down head downwards in the hell, the way you are treating these people, those who are seeking." These are the people and they publish books, you see. Their books will be published and all that, they will have BBC-Programs and everything will support them and help them, because they are all based on falsehood. What did they do to Christ? Did any scientist accept Him? Did any bureaucrat accept Him? What did they do to Buddha? When He lived, He had a very bad time. After His dead of course everybody started making money and things like that. But what could have they done? Japanese supposed to be the most – as you say Japanese are Buddhists – cruellest people ever known; cruellest people are Japanese. Cruellest of all, you see they have such a funny system. I went to Japan; I was amazed that any good-looking woman does not marry in Japan. This has come out of Buddhism, just imagine, a system. No good-looking woman would marry, neither an educated woman would marry, only dishwashers marry. The women who are absolute useless, good for nothing, ugly looking horrid women who are maidservants in other places, they marry and they are the mothers of the children of Japan. The mother, even if her husband beats her, does anything, has to bear, he can make keeps in the house, concubines there, he can go and visit the Geishas, she is not supposed to say anything. And that’s why in the whole world, you know, a Japanese wife is the best. She is worse than a slave to him. And if you go to Japan nobody will invite you to their houses and homes. See I went without My husband, so they didn’t know what to do out of Me, you see. They couldn’t take Me to Geisha houses and they couldn’t take Me to their houses either. So, they didn’t know really what a pickle I was. And I read, they didn’t know what to really make out of Me. I told them I would like to go to Geisha houses also, to see there what’s it. And there I found with these Geishas, when I was talking to them, that they are fed up of this nonsense. They said, you see, "We are beautiful women, so we don’t marry, because we get the money. And we are part-time also career girls." There were some part, part-time Geisha and part-time career girls. And they all meet in there. You see they are absolutely openly like that. Here they do it also, I mean the way the women go out for dating is what? Is Geisha-business. Dating is what? I mean, there they call themselves at least honestly, they are Geishas, but here dating with a man, poor man has to pay for them every evening, when it is too much. All this is in a very subtle way here. So you see, you say there is no prostitution and there is prostitution. I mean, they said, what are the laws of prostitution. You cannot there, sort of advertise it, but you can have a sauna bath or something. I mean some sort of a thing that they have made here with their intelligence. But in Japan it is clear cut, Geisha is a Geisha, a housewife is a housewife, but if you see a housewife, her hands, there is no softness, really hard hands, just like the bark of a tree. If you see the feet, if you see their legs are bent, their bodies are bent, very young women look so older. We were invited to a very rich man’s house. There I saw his daughters-in-law were beautiful, but they had to pay a lot of money to those girls and to their parents to get them there. No girl would marry. Then the children, when they see their mother being treated like this, what will happen to them? You see, after all there is a mother’s pride within them and they can’t bear it anymore. So Japanese are the people, outside they are really disciplined, you see, they are like the way the mother is disciplined outside. They’ll go on bowing to you. See, if you don’t stop, they’ll go on (Laughs.) If you stop it, then they will stop. They will not stop earlier, but if there is an accident they’ll get down, bow to you. But in the crowd, if they find a foreigner, they will put their heels round them. They kill people in such a butchery way, they are butchers, I tell you They are very disciplined, because one is talking, nobody will talk. They are just like machines. Hiroshima gave them a shock, that really gave them a shock and they were jolted. The young people now, the young women are revolting against it, they are realizing it. But I don’t know the way sometimes the young go also another mad, crazy day. But there is an awakening in Japan. Now you can’t blame Buddha for this, you cannot blame Bodhidharma for this, the Zen-man who did this. He was a realized soul, no doubt about it. They do not understand anything of it, Zen, they do not. They said, "This is all very difficult for us." They have certain things like No-playing [theater] which I went and saw Myself and I really enjoyed it. They couldn’t understand why I was enjoying it. They couldn’t understand why I enjoyed their temples very much, what it was to convey, you see. They have Temples which create like, you can say, a Moss-Temple is on top of a hill – you see – you have to go through a building in, on top of a hill. When you come out there is a little place like that only, there is one and there is a little mount made like a, like a drop, you see? And a little drop here, like a question-mark, you can say, one drop here. And is a hill with small plants of moss. You can see it through the, what you call, magnifying glass, beautiful different, different – you see – mosses are there. Now anybody will say, "What’s this? All the way to brought us here, what is all this? Is it a Temple? What’s sort of a Temple?" Now that is a Zen-style, that when you see it, you cannot answer why, how! You just stop there in thoughtless awareness. It was to awaken your thoughtless awareness. So the Zen-people said, "Now You tell me what is this?" I said, "Is it what Zen has told you? This is what which should not make you talk and think. You just say that, 'What’s this?' and do not ask any questions, become one with it." That’s what the Zen-people tried to do. They thought that by doing this, by telling people that, "Watch this without thought, watch this without thought", it will work out. But they did not know that these people were not even awakened. It’s only possible for people who are awakened. They were of that high, they did not realize, that these people were not even awakened, how can they do things without thought. And all these temples are useless for this people. There is another place where there is lot of sand, it’s spread out and a beautiful pattern drawn on it and there are some stones of various forms put there and you have to go sit around it and see that. Everybody knows that. They said, "Mad people do that." They take you to a temple and then you see all this and the Americans said, "Say, Mister [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Kai-san]. Wow! Wow, what’s this? All the way walking up, oh God, I lost My feet and what’s this? What is it?" And nobody can understand, the Zen-people, don’t understand, you see, to see what it is. "Very beautiful, you must see, this is very beautiful", they are telling in their funny English. These Americans, I must say, are really, and they have to walk bare-feet, you see, all the way down. They can’t understand why all this circus was done for them and the ones who are explaining do not. It is nothing but the same thing, that you watch a thing, which does not communicate to you, so you become quiet. Then they start comparing as usual, "Our ideas are, that – oh! – this is like an ocean and in the ocean, there are these boats." It’s rather not like a boat I must say. (Yogis laugh.) There are others who have some idea, that this is this, this is this – but that is the thing, you don’t have to do, you don’t have to compare it with any, you just have to see it, without thought. That’s what Zen wanted to do, to watch a flower without thinking, just watch it as it is. How can you do it unless and until you are thoughtless aware? And He didn’t. They did not know that people are not thoughtlessly aware. That’s possible only with the Kundalini is above the Agnya. They thought minimum that must be with human beings, you see, that they are thoughtlessly, they can become thoughtlessly aware. They did not know that that is also missing, because they were of a very high-quality people. All of them were born realized, actually. Twenty-six of them in six centuries – can you believe it? Sixth century it started, till the twelfth century there were twenty-six, after that there was not one Kasha. Is a fact, it is written down. I am not telling you a lie. So, who can explain what is what? In every religion, in every book all this nonsense has been done: Blind explaining something that is light. It’s an impossibility! I do not blame them for that, but I blame them there that they think, "Oh we are the enlightened, oh we are the Buddha, we know everything, we are Christ!" The Christians think, they are all Christians – means they are Christ themselves. This miss-identification is very wrong. You understand now? This is what it is. Yogini: You said that the Buddhist, all the Buddhists I know never say that enlightenment comes this age. It could take a thousand lives. Shri Mataji: That’s, that’s the best way of deluding people, you see. It takes thousand times, it’s correct – at what time? When they were Zens', it was very difficult, but not today. It was very difficult at the time of My grandmother's time to think even that you will go to the moon. And even when people went there, she would not believe it. She said, "No, no – you are just showing a picture, just befooling me. How can anybody go?" Even if you showed her anything she would not believe. She said, "It’s all there coming to the earth and this is what you are just there, just befooling you, don’t believe them. They must be befooling." Even today if you tell her, she is not going to believe, because it was impossible. Even when I was a student, you see, they used to say so many million years and billion years it will take to go to the moon. It has not taken anything like that. So, the growth of life, when it comes, in the beginning one flower appears, a second appears after three, four years, then when the tree comes up and when the blossom-time comes so many flowers come up. This is a living thing. First one fish became a reptile, then after many years second one came in, but after some time shoals of them became – it’s the evolutionary way. What they said, was correct at that time, is not correct today. Because they say it, are you going to stop your realization, even if you are getting it? For them it is impossible, not difficult, but it is an impossibility, they can never get realization. So what they say, there is truth in it. It’s difficult – these Lamas never, none of them, not one of them is going to get realization – take it from Me. Not one. Yogini: I am depending now, these organizations are tall, I agree with it and earning … Shri Mataji: I am just telling you, … Yogini: Yes. Shri Mataji: … I am not telling you, I am not addressing to you, but in general I have to say. I am just saying a general statement. Part of it is across your mind I am speaking also and also again your glorification. These Lamas are parasites, absolutely parasites living on other people’s money, opium. Other people’s money, billing in opium it’s the best way. Are leading an abnormal live and doing all kinds of abnormal things. They never would have given any guidance to the whole world. Must all guidance how they could live without spending any money. First of all, it is difficult to give realization, you can see that. Then when you give them also, they again go down to it. Then again build them up, again they go deep down. If it is not working out, it is not working out. Now as it is, if you say that, "My left hand is tingling" – I am not telling you that, you are saying that, it is happening to you – it is definitely there. So, there is something wrong. So, you must cure it, it’s a simple thing. I am not giving any auto-suggestions that your right hand is paining, or left hand is heavy. It is there and it is dead and you yourself are telling Me. So, what I am trying to do is to help you out, to take it out. And it is not so easy also giving it. It’s better? Hmm it’s good? Yogini: Sahasrara cooled down and this is very hot. Shri Mataji: Ah, it is Tina, she has certainly [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: understanding it]. This one is so cool and this one is so hot. Now I am not telling her anything. (Shri Mataji is rubbing Her hands.) Hmm. Put your hand here down. It’s all right. Right hand on this side. You see one hand is cold, one is hot. How to explain? You cannot. Yogi: Mataji, [INDIST: he claims it's hard to see-?] he didn’t know much about this Void, because it seemed a very important part of it and Nabhi and Swadishthana around it, innately he didn’t know that much about this … Shri Mataji: Hmm, hmm. So what do you want to know? Yogi: [INDIST: firstly-?] how the Kundalini passes through it, because it is not written by one of the disciples of Indian saint university that could demonstrate … Shri Mataji: What is it? Yogi: He said, because the most difficult [INDIST: thing is to be rich-?] (Shri Mataji laughs.) Shri Mataji: For them it won’t. (Shri Mataji is sniping with Her fingers – longer pause.) A-ham, what we call Void, maybe that’s, because in the Zen Void has a different meaning, but in Sahaja Yoga, what part is called as Void? You see, in Sahaja Yoga we do call it as Void, a part of it, but if you want, you can call it Bhava-Saghara, or you can call it Void, or Gap, name as a Gap all that. This is the stomach of a human being, it is the visceras, and it has worked two important Chakras, you see, one is the central one, which is called as the Vishnu’s Chakra and another one is Swadishthana which is circling it. The relationship between the sustaining power that is within us, which is the evolutionary power, which gives us this human form from amoeba, which is the evolving power within us, placed in our stomach, on the solar plexus. This relationship between this power and with the five elements is the area which is Dharma, is the Atman, is the Ruh… (GAP) … themselves. For example, supposing you say you are a Buddhist, supposing one says, "I am a Buddhist", you don’t become Buddha, by any chance, you don’t. And this understanding goes on disappearing after some time, you see, among human beings and I was amazed that really the head of the Zen is not a realized soul and I told him and he told Me, they had only twenty-six kashyapas so far, only twenty-six realized souls there. And he was travelling with about five of the disciples and he came to India and none of them were realized. Is a fact. You see, now supposing here in India and if I tell here to someone that in India people these Temples are now the fortress of tantricans and people are loosing their temples which, which has living Deities – … it was something wrong things, people won’t like it. But it’s a fact. If you go there, you will be amazed. See I did speak with them, these Zen, because they had invited Me for this. I told to them what is real and I told to them what your Temples mean and how you go into thoughtless awareness and all that. But first thing is realization. Without that nothing happens, you see, this is all prescribed for realized souls. 'Zen' means 'dhyan', 'meditation'. Those who are not meditating, means who are not realized cannot understand Zen at all. You have to go in, otherwise it’s just a joke going on, it’s a Drama going on, you see? People are just thinking and by reading Zen and all that you are going to achieve something. You cannot achieve anything by reading. Only if you read Bible or Gheeta you cannot achieve anything. It’s only reading. Yogini: I [INDIST.] me and, and is, I, I, wish that needed are people, let’s say from all directions … Shri Mataji: All of them are reading. Yogini: Yes, yes. Shri Mataji: None of them, not one … Yogini: I want to say, if you find, you said it, five percent … Shri Mataji: Hundred percent? Zen – I will tell you, I have travelled all over the world, I have travelled all over the world now. I have been up to Chile, up to Argentina, up to Colombia – except for Australia I have been everywhere, but I have met many Australians and I can tell you, I haven’t met one, one Zen which has anything of truth left in him, not one Zen, even on the religious part of it, not even one. Like people like in India, there was a very decent one, a Brahmacharya was a great man, I mean he was like an Incarnation, like that he was. His disciples are, I was amazed that even they, when he had just done the sentence that, "I am telling you that you have to get your realization, without realization…" but they were also just the same, they are also following, let’s say, something that is dead. It is – supposing you are not realized and you start doing Sahaja Yoga to someone, moving your hands like this, raising the Kundalini – what will you do? You cannot do anything. So before – you see – feeling anything about what I say, you get your vibrations all right first of all, you get your Self realized, that’s the main thing. Once your vibrations are all right then you can judge it better, because before that you cannot, because there is no rapport with the Truth and with the Absolute. You must get your vibrations corrected. First your vibrations must be corrected, you must be realized and then you must judge it. Otherwise, you cannot. This is why – you see – we can spread anything which is false, because there I don’t have to put a condition on you. Here you have to be realized, you have to be settled down, then only you will understand. Without that, by paying money, say by joining any community or by becoming any member of it, you cannot, you cannot become a Sahaja Yogi. A Sahaja Yogi you can only become if you have got the vibrations, if you can raise the Kundalini, then only you can be a Sahaja Yogi, this is a very big condition. I mean if you have some sort of a society, as you have Buddhas-society, or you can have a – say – a Church or a Temple or any society, anybody can join it. You can join it, but you cannot be called that. And this has to be, because of this problem only, a person like Christ has been brought out and thrown up to dust, a person like Buddha, a person like Mahavira, all Incarnations. They were very great, too great for human beings to understand and because they never got realization they just brought back to dust, absolutely to dust. Buddhism has taken to such perversions, [INDIST.], if you go to Ladakh, Tibet, these Lamas! Now see, the Lama is speaking, now would you call it Buddhist? Yogi: Some of the Lamas are not religious at all, they just head to the, their community, they are not religious people. Shri Mataji: But they are not realized. I have not met even one Lama who is realized. You know this Pantcham-Lama and this, what is, Dalai Lama … Yogini: You may call him politician. Shri Mataji: I tell you, they are politicians Yogini: I know. Shri Mataji: That’s a hundred percent, not only but they are possessed people. Another Yogini: But do they, make they people … Shri Mataji: You see, apart from that they are possessed, you see, that’s how they get their “third eye” and all this nonsense and they got those visions and things. I was, My Husband was with Lal Badhur Shastri and Lal Badhur Shastri's wife was a little shy Lady and she could not go out. Normally I used to attend to people and I used to sit next to them. So this, when this Dalai Lama and this Pantcham Lama came to Delhi I was sitting next to him. I just could not sit, I was getting such burning from him and I felt little nervous sitting next to him, I mean funny …. So Shastriji asked Me, "Why are You not happy there?" I said, "If you don’t permit, if you permit Me, this man is not religious. Can you sit…?" He recognized Me. He said, "Just please, if You want, You can sit on the other side." So I moved on and then I gave him Bhandan and all that. They are parasites apart from anything. You see Tibet-people are so poor, so poor …. Have you been to Tibet? Very poor people, so poor, you cannot imagine, the poorest of poor are there and these people live in complete luxury, in palaces like this. They take their milk in silver bowls and they have marble inlets and the people are in absolutely die out poverty. They do not have houses, you know, they have touched things and – I mean, you cannot imagine the poverty there. Out of those people to suck the blood and live like this is only possible for the rakshasas, I tell you. If you, if you do not like it, I have to say that. You will feel the same way, if you are sensitive of it. I went to [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Bhendabhat], to Gokul and I came back and I told them, all the rakshasas, all the [INDIST.] which are the servants of Khamsa, all the rakshasas are now the Pandas. Now you may not like it. When Christ hit people with the hunter, they did not like it, but that doesn’t mean they do not deserve it. I am going to Ganges with lustrous anger this time. All the Pandas had to run away. You see, they are the people who are making money on the river Ganges. Sitting there, looting people – how can it be God? It is Anti-God, absolutely Anti-God. Yogini: I know this. Shri Mataji: … absolutely, hundred percent. Whether people like it or not, I have to say the truth. I am not here for seeking elections. All these are to be punished and are to be thrown away from the society. These are the ones who crucified Christ, these are the ones who hit Buddha, these are the ones who tortured Mahavira, these are the people who are today become, have religious people, trying to propagate religion and trying to make money out of it. A very ingenious method to, to build up a so a religion to earn money, it’s floating and enterprise …. Yogini: They really do that and Buddha might [INDIST.] Knowing criticize, you see, my interest in Buddhism is not in Buddhists, but the philosophy is good …. Shri Mataji: That’s what is Sahaja, He is nothing but Sahaja …. Yogini: So they are following what was the criticism, because you see, if you bend … Shri Mataji: Not about Buddha I must say, I never cri-, how can I criticize Buddha? I mean we use Him for the clearing of our Agnya. Yogi: Other people do still that. Shri Mataji: It is … you see, how could I criticize, it would be saying tomorrow that I am criticizing Christ, I mean how could I criticize Him? I mean how could this idea go into your head? Never! How can I criticize Him? On the contrary I am criticizing those who are using Him for their own purpose. Yogini: You better [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: That’s it! Yogini: [INDIST] Christ [INDIST.] … Yogi: Yes, this was such a decision for long …. Yogini: They said that every spiritual leader, you know, even Mahatma Gandhi, he has been so abused and he hasn’t been [INDIST.] now, and I think, I think that they are the leader [INDIST.] people with him. This is what I knew. Shri Mataji: Yes, but somebody has to say it. (Yogis laugh) Somebody has to say these things. Isn’t? Yogi: Somebody has to speak out and say it’s wrong. Shri Mataji: Yes. You see, you all, you see I am giving voice to what you want, you feel within yourselves. Isn’t it? That’s what, how can I criticize something that’s My part and parcel in My being. How could you think like that? [To a child:] Hello, Sue. [Yogis laugh] Hello Sue. Look at that! It’s good. So, you don’t be draggling to these things. You see, this is a very important thing that you must all get your realization. All of you must get realization, because of this, this one snag, one snag in all the religious leader. This snag has done all the harm. You see Buddha was absolutely correct, but that was not the time for giving realization to people. So He thought that if He organizes people, they will be ready to receive the realization. That’s what He organized, you see, and that’s why He created a sangham. But as all people are, I was also just the same, because I, I had to learn a lot about human beings. You know these people are too pure to understand how human beings are crooked. Even you see some of them have said that you must not tell lies, you must not do this, you must not do this. It’s useless for human beings! If you tell them, immediately they take a Bible, [INDIST: go-?], have a congregation, have a church nicely and give lectures, "You should not tell lies, these are ten commandments. Christ came in and He is our father, He is this and that. Go home and do the same thing"… and take all the money from the people! Is Tukarama, is there. We had a very great Saint like Gyaneshvara. Take the greatest of all is Adi Shankaracharya, the one who came. You see, He did not come to refute Buddha, He came to refute Buddhism, the way the Buddhism was going, and what He said is exactly the same that you are doing, exactly the same. He said, [INDIST: Hindi?], "Neither by Yoga nor by Sankha is this kind of a report now and all that, and by doing all these Sangha-Shakti and all that. Nothing! Only by Mother's grace that it will work out and that one has to get realization." He said it so clearly but you will find hardly few Indians who are supposed to be Hindus reading Shankaracharya. Can you believe it?

First western seminar: "Void, Zen". Easthampstead Park, Bracknell (UK), 15 October 1978. […] So, what’s the use of reading it? "Only praise the Mother!", that’s what He [Adi Shankaracharya] said. People asked Him, "Why have You praised the Mother only? Why don’t you write something else?" He said, "That’s the only way you can get it [the Realization]. What’s the use of giving all avidya, non-knowledge? I am giving the real knowledge: you praise the Mother and just do it." And all those learned pandits and all that, they challenged Him and they tortured their lives [of saints]. Now what is the present Shankaracharya Shringari doing, do you know that? This [Adi] Shankaracharya took a sanyasa because He had to work and dedicate Himself and He went all over the world whenever it was possible for Him. He went to Kashmir and all these places and He did such a lot of work. While this fellow who is a small little horrible thing, he is now meekly. Whether you like it or not, I will have to say it. He is trying to collect money because he has to make an umbrella of gold. And he has to put diamonds on that and on this are seven stones will be put and nine stones will be put on that umbrella and one day, when he will be sitting, the umbrella will be going to fall off. (Yogis laugh.) Yogini: Could I apt to you that [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: all the discussing masses is of his receptions-?] Another Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: The truth is not for the masses. The truth is the hardest thing to find …] Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s it! Yogini: That is said, so people would kindly [INDIST.] … Shri Mataji: But, but – you see, a truth can only, truth can be found when you remove the clouds. Yogini: Is the [INDIST: sun doing this]? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no – that you have to remove yourself. Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: It has to begin because the wind that chills before me and …] Shri Mataji: No, no – you can. Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: So take forth.] Shri Mataji: You see, it is your own mind that forms the cloud. If you are on the truth the clouds will disappear – but you must tell people there are clouds, you have to tell them. Not only – you have to tell them the fact, because you see, we are getting people here from different sources and different types, you see? I have been facing people in Japan. For example, I faced lots of Zen-People and I have to talk to them. Some of them did accept, some of them did not – what can I do about it? Another Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: It wasn’t made so, you come and there people could make new clouds like forcing this, so I think …] Yogi: This support needs to be the advantage of the people. Yogini: Yes, but you can’t convince that, so therefore that you, you learn some [INDIST.] – from where? You just walk round. Shri Mataji: That’s very nice to say, but doesn’t happen that way. They block your way because they are in your sub-conscious. You have to face that. You have to take them out, you have to cleanse them. With Sahaja Yoga – what happens? That you can see them and you can clear them. But if you just say, "Now I am realized, all it’s all right" – it is not so. It is not so. That’s why they did in, in the ancient times the Hata-Yoga style was first to take a person from childhood away from the madding crowd, keep him there, cleanse him, keep him in pure conditions and treat him very well and then give him a realization, gradually from one chakra to another chakra and take him up for – this was done in many ages, in many lives of those people. They were again selected, brought in and again it was done. It was a very long process. But now, after getting realization you can do it yourself. You can clear yourself, clean yourself, but you must face what sorts of problems there are. Now for some people here, I mean most of them, they have no this problem anymore now. They do not think that these Buddhist and anyone of them, whether Lamas or Damas or anything, they have any contribution made towards spiritual life. They are convinced of it. They do not contribute anything to spiritual life. These children do, such realized souls. It’s a realized soul. Now if he is a realized soul and if the, if the head of the Zen is not – what can you do about it? It’s a fact. And those who follow Zen are not following because they have to be realized. First thing is they should be realized and who will realize them if the head is not realized? If one light is not enlightened, how is it going to enlighten other lights? Yogini: Anyone has to do. The same is as they have been realized so they have got realization from here people anyway near thinking like that. It’s not after have been cured you really face it. Vienna, Milano, Geneva … Shri Mataji: Ah! Now you better tell them Sheila about yourself. You see, you are sticking on to this. Now just tell what happened to you, Sheila you tell them. Another Yogini: There is just one point … Shri Mataji: Ah. Yogini: … making list her she has to go the long way round to come to … Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no! Yogini: The point is that, you can’t dissolve that. Shri Mataji: It is not. Now I tell you one it is, you are saying this, that you people all believe that you are all guided that way. Your it is not. You see concealed guidance but nobody is going to force you that way. It’s your own choice. You make mistakes through your choice, your freedom is all the time there. What I can do is to tell you what is what – and leave it to your freedom. That if you think that if everybody has to go, then why should I be here? Yogini: Now I think they have to hear that when going once that people need a choice to see, they are not using just walk straight into the open door, they are going to crash into the wall on the way. So therefore people who come to you finally will be yours. Shri Mataji: Hm. Yogini: They would do that, I mean, but they … Shri Mataji: Yes, they do. Yogini: … they think that … Shri Mataji: Yes, I agree. Yogini: … they have to choose … Shri Mataji: Yes they do, I have all the patience, I know, I have, I have all the patience for them, but what My thing, My Job is to tell them, this is a wall and you don’t hit your head. And being a Mother, you can imagine, I see them as little babies now newly born. So I feel concern and I tell them very positively, very clearly that don’t jump into that pile. But still they do, some of them, Sheila did that. Another Yogini: [ INDIST. SOUNDS LIKE: That’s turnout, I said to Gregoire, it's snoring. You know I love him and I have been tortured there. I think now with Shri Mataji is terminated after the… But I am just gone put one thing a little bit to make sure and once I made" sure, Gina gone to walk another illuminating. I was just straight sure, completely.] Shri Mataji: She didn’t identify it all, she just visited that once. Once only. Yogini: I was very ill, physically and everything and intensive what just has been round by and then he was a man. I don’t like doing the same thing. (Yogis laugh.) Not to name it out – a good job. Shri Mataji: Just imagine … Yogini: … there are all persons limited … Another Yogini: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: When there is no talking, when there is …] (All Yogis laugh.) Shri Mataji: And now you see the people from Canada, now just see My position is, take up from Canada here, so many of them. I cleanse them, I clean them, I put them right. I tell them whatever it is, why they are sorry, lots of problems, how it happens. I mean I have to work really, really very hard for them, really very hard and then they again are going to some drama. So it, I have to point it out very clearly, that as long as you identify with falsehood you will not be realized. You cannot get it. You have to give up falsehood, see for yourself, work it out! The best judgement: your vibrations. You must get it. Now see this girl has been reading certain books and things and that’s falling on her head and she herself can feel it that there is a blockade in her head. You can feel it yourself, isn’t it? (A baby makes a little noise, the Yogis laugh.) If the sensitivity is all right then you go to the right point. But no, you see, your sensitivity is very much blurted and obstructed. Feel that, come here! Now ask Me other questions, all right? So it is for your own good, your own good and I’ll tell you. I am not telling even one thing that is not auspicious and I will know it, whether people like it or not. So sometimes I camouflage, because things do not go straight into their heads. As I told, that if somebody is stupid you shouldn’t say, "You are stupid." (Yogis laugh.) Yes! One has to go in a round way. That’s a Mother's style. But I have to tell you this, I am telling you the truth. First thing you should do is to establish your vibrations. First thing is that, then you talk about Realization. You should say nothing than, "First my vibrations. There are so many people who have established them. Why not, why not – I must get it." That’s the thing should be there. If that works out … it’s very good. If it doesn’t work out, then work it out. That’s the only thing that you have to get – nothing else. You have to understand. Now I asked her what books did she read, what happens? She told Me you see. So, I can now correct it, I know where is the problem, you see. By telling Me facts, what is the problem, I can correct it better. Like a doctor is to be told, what is the thing. Because most of the things here in the Western mind is mental. Our reading, our – you see – past life and all these things in the sub-consciousness has come and also our ambitions and our aspirations and all that – all these things work out, through Me. So, we have to clear ourselves, we have to be absolutely cleared out – this is what Buddha wanted, is enlightenment, what else? Did He want people to form for fighting? Nothing of that kind. He wanted only to get enlightenment, to be able to read themselves and not some books, you see. Buddha wrote no book. Nothing He wrote and those who write about Him were not realized people either. He said that you should not worship anything, because He was so fed up with the people who were worshiping all kinds of nonsense. So He said, no worship. Now they are worshipping His clothes, His hair, his nails, this, that … Of course, to Me I know, it is great, everything has a meaning, but to these people it has no meaning. They cannot feel the vibrations of that, so what are they worshipping? Like in Kashmir I went and I went to a place and I just got tremendous vibrations and I said, "What’s there here? Is there a Temple or something?" They said no. I said, "This place seems to be really vibrated." I stopped the car and asked the driver. He said, "You knew there is a big [INDIST.] that is the one hair of Mohamed is put there." Oh, I said, that’s great!" And the driver said, "What’s great? This hair has caused so much problem here. People have been fighting over it, there has been so many murders and this, that." Now what the poor hair has done? You see, just imagine. To Me it has given Joy and such feeling of oneness there. And to others it has given fighting. The Muslims have been fighting, because the hair was lost and this and that. Then when the hair was returned, they did not know whether it was a true hair or some other hair … (the Yogis laugh) … be contra-versus about things. We went to, there is one place of Valmiki-Ashram near Bihar, you see. On the other side of Bihar in Nepal and I went down there, you see, wading through a river to see that place. Just to feel it, I know it is that. So then when I came back and see one of them [INDIST.] very learned men from Bihar, he was also there. He said, "Mother what you think, is this the place where Sita-ji lived?" I said, "Yes She did. She did." He said, "How do You know?" I said, "I know it, for one thing, it’s My own experience that it was so. Apart from that, you can ask any Sahaja Yogi, they can say, that this is the place She lived, because you feel the vibrations throughout." He said, "Really there are books and books written against it, that this is not the place, this is non the Indian soil, not on the Nepali soil, this, that, all these things … Just imagine! That fighting about the Divine Mother, whether She was born in Nepal or here. She was a Nepali-Lady, She was born in Nepal, no doubt about it. But Nepal is no good, they are no good neither the Indians are. All are just the same. Horrible people, fighting anything good you bring it, they start fighting. What to do with this human nature? Actually, these people did not realize, none of them knew. As I know you people, really I can tell this point. Even Christ did not know how human beings are crooked. They are too good. Humanization has to be completed I think in this life of Mine and I get horrified. Still people think I am ignoramus, I don’t know much. I have to still read lots of things to understand human beings. You see, because of their so-called Intelligence – which cheats them – because they think is all-, they can manage, they think they can manage everywhere, who are they not managing is themselves, their own choice, their own properties, their own wealth – that’s what they are not managing, that’s what they are not feeling, that’s what they are missing. That is within them so great, bubbling, manifesting, anxious to come out, that’s all missing. Now what are they managing like fools? This is out of show. Somebody has to say it and can convince you. I am here to convince; I am here to convince you – about Buddha. And do you know Buddha took His birth again? He was Hassan and Hussein, one of them was Buddha, another was Mahavira. See the silence. Buddhist won’t accept, because they got frightened their lives, the way the Buddhist were all souring. Mohammed Sahib took His birth as Nanaka. If you read Nanaka’s life, I mean if you read what He has to say, all the time He is saying, "Oh God, how are you fighting among yourselves, the Hindus and the Muslims, or the Muslims and the other people? I am just the same. How are you fighting?" You see, when He died, Mohammed Sahib, when He saw where the religion was taken by Muslims He was to be born again. And tell them! But when He was born again and He started telling, people stoned Him. And these Sikhs asked them, these fools, you go and ask them, "What Mohammed, what He has done?" All His life He was trying to unite both of them because He was so much surprised at this and imagine, the Sikhs all their lives they are fighting the Muslims, and the Muslims, the fools, they are fighting the Sikhs. I talked to some Arab Ladies – they agree with Me. There is no meaning who agree with Me, you can see, after all they are intelligent enough to see. But something of it lurks in us which must be taken out, which is false. You must give up all that is false, because falsehood keeps you away from reality which is beauty and joy, which is yourself [your Self]. When I talked in nineteen-seventy first time and I unlatched all of them, they called it spiritual jugglery. Left and right all of them I said, that everybody was so frightened. There was one Raja of Mundi, he came, he said, "Mother they will go, come and kill You." I said, "This time I am going to kill them. Nobody is going to crucify Me now. Don’t you worry about Me" He said, "I am worried about your well-being. You are saying like this, you see, people will feel very angry with You." I said, "Let them come. This time I am going to face it. It was all right before I took up the show, but now no more. Let’s have it out. Somebody has to say it." It is very nice for Me to go about, "Oh pleasing all of you, oh very good, you, this society is very good, that church is very good, Pope, you are My love" and all that. (Yogis laugh.) And get all of them together, because I am a realized soul in and out. And I can say that, "Oh I am this, I have got curative-powers, I am raising Kundalini" and this and that, and get all of them put together. I could have done that way, but it is not going to work out. Of course, if they come to Me, I’ll manage, because there is a certain protocol of the truth. Christ did not go to these people and tell them. He argued with them and told them, what was the truth. Buddha preached non-violence, He thought that by non-violence-methods these people will accept. But He found by doing that, what has happened, all the horrible rakshasas are sitting there very nicely. Anybody who is a good person is to be tortured, that was the law. Anybody who is a religious person must be killed. Anybody who was a realized soul must be crucified. This was the pattern of life. So, they came as Hassan and Hussein and fought it. If the time comes the wrath of God will come upon these people. He has a very tremendous wrath. If in one incarnation if it has not shown, it doesn’t mean it does not exist. It does exist. It’s all right for Christ to say, that if you put, if somebody slaps you on one face, put the other around. It is just to develop your patience, but when you slap on one face of a realized soul, one side is cleared and when you put the other cheek, the second side is also cleared. Both the sides are just cleared out, that’s why it was said. The deeper sense is like that. And then the person falls at your feet, asking for forgiveness. Just see, a wasp hit Me here and the vibrations there – hundred times more. Isn’t it a funny thing? It is a very deep secrets of Mine, but at least you must know that and unless and until you have given up all that is falsehood, which keeps you floating on the surface you cannot go deep down. These are all bubbles, you know, you must have seen people floating with two balloons, jetting out, you see. In the same way our ego and superego keep you floating. It doesn’t allow you to go deep down into yourself. So by rationality you cannot understand it. You give up your rationality, come deep down in the center. You have to go in directly. Buddha did His job; He build up here on left-hand-side of your personality. Mahavira did His job here. Now it is My job to do it, is to break your Brahmarandra – and let Me do it. They are all within Me, They are part and parcel of Me and there is in Their mind every minute, every second, every moment They are here. Don’t worry about Them, you have to worry about yourself [your Self]. You just think how far you have gone with your meditation, how deep you have gone into yourself [your Self]. If you have not gone, it’s not a mistake of Sahaja Yoga, it is your own mistake. It is something wrong somewhere. Just went down, where is the mistake! Is your ego floating out, or is your super-ego floating out? What is not keeping you dive into your being? See now how much I am working hard on you – days in and days out. It is a simple thing. In Derby we had someone who belonged to a big organization and he came round and he started arguing out. So one of the Sahaja Yogis asked, "Now come and tell me, how many people you have given realization to, how many people you have cured?" He said, none. Then he said, "What are you talking to Mataji? She has given realization to thousands, you have seen. She has cured thousands of people, we have cured also, so better take it from Her instead of getting angry with Her and telling Her about this big organization that you have." When the fellow was changed and when he went and told his organization, people who would follow him as a guru, they said, "Oh he is gone mad." They left him and they selected another mad man to be their guru. Nobody is going to stand by you, organization-wise, I can tell you. All your organizations will never accept Me as a whole, never. Because they stand on some falsehood. They will never accept Me, the whole of it. None of these organizations are going to accept Me. In America I have seen the same thing. It is a sad thing, but it is the same thing. There is one lady who is running, she calls it “Light of the Universe”. She invited Me there and she is going to [INDIST: put all there-?]. She had arranged for Me a three-days-conference and all that, you see. At the end of it She took Me down into her house, down [INDIST: below it-?]. There she had made a temple and all full of bhoots and she said, "Here I call my master from Tibet." I said, "Very nice, and why have you called Me? "I put a convent to her and all that. I came the way." So some people left her completely, joining Me. She was writing to Me that, "I should go to her" and again like this, "because she makes a lot of money out of that." But I told her not to meet her for some time. So the whole of it won’t come to Me, because the basis is wrong, the basis is wrong, absolute falsehood it is. The basis of all these organizations is wrong. It has done no good, if you see it very clearly and honesty, they are doing no good. At the most they are philanthropic things like, we can say, a council which is rendering help to some sick people, to admit in the hospital, some this and that, that’s all. At the most if they are correct. You see, you are like council-members, you see council-members. But why bring in God there? It’s all right, you are social workers, do the social work. It is not spiritual. Spiritual work is spiritual question where you have to be awakened. You understand? So, all those societies or all those religions, all of them, one and all, hundred percent. You are saying twenty-five percent, I would say even if one percent is there, I’ll thank My stuffs. Even one percent I am not saying, a genuine one which is based on giving realization to people in the real sense of the word. These so called, these daya-makas place I have been there. This Yogananda was not a realized soul, you will be shocked that ‘Papaji’ and ‘Dadaji’ and all of them were not realized souls at all. Now the people who were there have come and told Me. You see they, there was a doctor we had, he died of that. He used to do all the Catharism, he used to cut his tongue, put it back, put it here, you see. Imagine all these things and always his tongue used to wag pointer like that and he had to put some sort of a hold for his tongue – otherwise the tongue would wag out like that. He had cut if for his threat and turn it up, put it here for raising the Kundalini – just imagine! Now if somebody comes like that, what should I say, "Now you cut your nose and put it inside" ? (Shri Mataji laughs loudly.) Just imagine! There are people like that. This is Yogananda’s school, they are doing Catharism. Kabira came and He lashed them, completely this Catharism and all that. He said, "One day your tongue will be cut, your noses will be cut and this will happen. You will be hanging down head downwards in the hell, the way you are treating these people, those who are seeking." These are the people and they publish books, you see. Their books will be published and all that, they will have BBC-Programs and everything will support them and help them, because they are all based on falsehood. What did they do to Christ? Did any scientist accept Him? Did any bureaucrat accept Him? What did they do to Buddha? When He lived, He had a very bad time. After His dead of course everybody started making money and things like that. But what could have they done? Japanese supposed to be the most – as you say Japanese are Buddhists – cruellest people ever known; cruellest people are Japanese. Cruellest of all, you see they have such a funny system. I went to Japan; I was amazed that any good-looking woman does not marry in Japan. This has come out of Buddhism, just imagine, a system. No good-looking woman would marry, neither an educated woman would marry, only dishwashers marry. The women who are absolute useless, good for nothing, ugly looking horrid women who are maidservants in other places, they marry and they are the mothers of the children of Japan. The mother, even if her husband beats her, does anything, has to bear, he can make keeps in the house, concubines there, he can go and visit the Geishas, she is not supposed to say anything. And that’s why in the whole world, you know, a Japanese wife is the best. She is worse than a slave to him. And if you go to Japan nobody will invite you to their houses and homes. See I went without My husband, so they didn’t know what to do out of Me, you see. They couldn’t take Me to Geisha houses and they couldn’t take Me to their houses either. So, they didn’t know really what a pickle I was. And I read, they didn’t know what to really make out of Me. I told them I would like to go to Geisha houses also, to see there what’s it. And there I found with these Geishas, when I was talking to them, that they are fed up of this nonsense. They said, you see, "We are beautiful women, so we don’t marry, because we get the money. And we are part-time also career girls." There were some part, part-time Geisha and part-time career girls. And they all meet in there. You see they are absolutely openly like that. Here they do it also, I mean the way the women go out for dating is what? Is Geisha-business. Dating is what? I mean, there they call themselves at least honestly, they are Geishas, but here dating with a man, poor man has to pay for them every evening, when it is too much. All this is in a very subtle way here. So you see, you say there is no prostitution and there is prostitution. I mean, they said, what are the laws of prostitution. You cannot there, sort of advertise it, but you can have a sauna bath or something. I mean some sort of a thing that they have made here with their intelligence. But in Japan it is clear cut, Geisha is a Geisha, a housewife is a housewife, but if you see a housewife, her hands, there is no softness, really hard hands, just like the bark of a tree. If you see the feet, if you see their legs are bent, their bodies are bent, very young women look so older. We were invited to a very rich man’s house. There I saw his daughters-in-law were beautiful, but they had to pay a lot of money to those girls and to their parents to get them there. No girl would marry. Then the children, when they see their mother being treated like this, what will happen to them? You see, after all there is a mother’s pride within them and they can’t bear it anymore. So Japanese are the people, outside they are really disciplined, you see, they are like the way the mother is disciplined outside. They’ll go on bowing to you. See, if you don’t stop, they’ll go on (Laughs.) If you stop it, then they will stop. They will not stop earlier, but if there is an accident they’ll get down, bow to you. But in the crowd, if they find a foreigner, they will put their heels round them. They kill people in such a butchery way, they are butchers, I tell you They are very disciplined, because one is talking, nobody will talk. They are just like machines. Hiroshima gave them a shock, that really gave them a shock and they were jolted. The young people now, the young women are revolting against it, they are realizing it. But I don’t know the way sometimes the young go also another mad, crazy day. But there is an awakening in Japan. Now you can’t blame Buddha for this, you cannot blame Bodhidharma for this, the Zen-man who did this. He was a realized soul, no doubt about it. They do not understand anything of it, Zen, they do not. They said, "This is all very difficult for us." They have certain things like No-playing [theater] which I went and saw Myself and I really enjoyed it. They couldn’t understand why I was enjoying it. They couldn’t understand why I enjoyed their temples very much, what it was to convey, you see. They have Temples which create like, you can say, a Moss-Temple is on top of a hill – you see – you have to go through a building in, on top of a hill. When you come out there is a little place like that only, there is one and there is a little mount made like a, like a drop, you see? And a little drop here, like a question-mark, you can say, one drop here. And is a hill with small plants of moss. You can see it through the, what you call, magnifying glass, beautiful different, different – you see – mosses are there. Now anybody will say, "What’s this? All the way to brought us here, what is all this? Is it a Temple? What’s sort of a Temple?" Now that is a Zen-style, that when you see it, you cannot answer why, how! You just stop there in thoughtless awareness. It was to awaken your thoughtless awareness. So the Zen-people said, "Now You tell me what is this?" I said, "Is it what Zen has told you? This is what which should not make you talk and think. You just say that, 'What’s this?' and do not ask any questions, become one with it." That’s what the Zen-people tried to do. They thought that by doing this, by telling people that, "Watch this without thought, watch this without thought", it will work out. But they did not know that these people were not even awakened. It’s only possible for people who are awakened. They were of that high, they did not realize, that these people were not even awakened, how can they do things without thought. And all these temples are useless for this people. There is another place where there is lot of sand, it’s spread out and a beautiful pattern drawn on it and there are some stones of various forms put there and you have to go sit around it and see that. Everybody knows that. They said, "Mad people do that." They take you to a temple and then you see all this and the Americans said, "Say, Mister [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Kai-san]. Wow! Wow, what’s this? All the way walking up, oh God, I lost My feet and what’s this? What is it?" And nobody can understand, the Zen-people, don’t understand, you see, to see what it is. "Very beautiful, you must see, this is very beautiful", they are telling in their funny English. These Americans, I must say, are really, and they have to walk bare-feet, you see, all the way down. They can’t understand why all this circus was done for them and the ones who are explaining do not. It is nothing but the same thing, that you watch a thing, which does not communicate to you, so you become quiet. Then they start comparing as usual, "Our ideas are, that – oh! – this is like an ocean and in the ocean, there are these boats." It’s rather not like a boat I must say. (Yogis laugh.) There are others who have some idea, that this is this, this is this – but that is the thing, you don’t have to do, you don’t have to compare it with any, you just have to see it, without thought. That’s what Zen wanted to do, to watch a flower without thinking, just watch it as it is. How can you do it unless and until you are thoughtless aware? And He didn’t. They did not know that people are not thoughtlessly aware. That’s possible only with the Kundalini is above the Agnya. They thought minimum that must be with human beings, you see, that they are thoughtlessly, they can become thoughtlessly aware. They did not know that that is also missing, because they were of a very high-quality people. All of them were born realized, actually. Twenty-six of them in six centuries – can you believe it? Sixth century it started, till the twelfth century there were twenty-six, after that there was not one Kasha. Is a fact, it is written down. I am not telling you a lie. So, who can explain what is what? In every religion, in every book all this nonsense has been done: Blind explaining something that is light. It’s an impossibility! I do not blame them for that, but I blame them there that they think, "Oh we are the enlightened, oh we are the Buddha, we know everything, we are Christ!" The Christians think, they are all Christians – means they are Christ themselves. This miss-identification is very wrong. You understand now? This is what it is. Yogini: You said that the Buddhist, all the Buddhists I know never say that enlightenment comes this age. It could take a thousand lives. Shri Mataji: That’s, that’s the best way of deluding people, you see. It takes thousand times, it’s correct – at what time? When they were Zens', it was very difficult, but not today. It was very difficult at the time of My grandmother's time to think even that you will go to the moon. And even when people went there, she would not believe it. She said, "No, no – you are just showing a picture, just befooling me. How can anybody go?" Even if you showed her anything she would not believe. She said, "It’s all there coming to the earth and this is what you are just there, just befooling you, don’t believe them. They must be befooling." Even today if you tell her, she is not going to believe, because it was impossible. Even when I was a student, you see, they used to say so many million years and billion years it will take to go to the moon. It has not taken anything like that. So, the growth of life, when it comes, in the beginning one flower appears, a second appears after three, four years, then when the tree comes up and when the blossom-time comes so many flowers come up. This is a living thing. First one fish became a reptile, then after many years second one came in, but after some time shoals of them became – it’s the evolutionary way. What they said, was correct at that time, is not correct today. Because they say it, are you going to stop your realization, even if you are getting it? For them it is impossible, not difficult, but it is an impossibility, they can never get realization. So what they say, there is truth in it. It’s difficult – these Lamas never, none of them, not one of them is going to get realization – take it from Me. Not one. Yogini: I am depending now, these organizations are tall, I agree with it and earning … Shri Mataji: I am just telling you, … Yogini: Yes. Shri Mataji: … I am not telling you, I am not addressing to you, but in general I have to say. I am just saying a general statement. Part of it is across your mind I am speaking also and also again your glorification. These Lamas are parasites, absolutely parasites living on other people’s money, opium. Other people’s money, billing in opium it’s the best way. Are leading an abnormal live and doing all kinds of abnormal things. They never would have given any guidance to the whole world. Must all guidance how they could live without spending any money. First of all, it is difficult to give realization, you can see that. Then when you give them also, they again go down to it. Then again build them up, again they go deep down. If it is not working out, it is not working out. Now as it is, if you say that, "My left hand is tingling" – I am not telling you that, you are saying that, it is happening to you – it is definitely there. So, there is something wrong. So, you must cure it, it’s a simple thing. I am not giving any auto-suggestions that your right hand is paining, or left hand is heavy. It is there and it is dead and you yourself are telling Me. So, what I am trying to do is to help you out, to take it out. And it is not so easy also giving it. It’s better? Hmm it’s good? Yogini: Sahasrara cooled down and this is very hot. Shri Mataji: Ah, it is Tina, she has certainly [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: understanding it]. This one is so cool and this one is so hot. Now I am not telling her anything. (Shri Mataji is rubbing Her hands.) Hmm. Put your hand here down. It’s all right. Right hand on this side. You see one hand is cold, one is hot. How to explain? You cannot. Yogi: Mataji, [INDIST: he claims it's hard to see-?] he didn’t know much about this Void, because it seemed a very important part of it and Nabhi and Swadishthana around it, innately he didn’t know that much about this … Shri Mataji: Hmm, hmm. So what do you want to know? Yogi: [INDIST: firstly-?] how the Kundalini passes through it, because it is not written by one of the disciples of Indian saint university that could demonstrate … Shri Mataji: What is it? Yogi: He said, because the most difficult [INDIST: thing is to be rich-?] (Shri Mataji laughs.) Shri Mataji: For them it won’t. (Shri Mataji is sniping with Her fingers – longer pause.) A-ham, what we call Void, maybe that’s, because in the Zen Void has a different meaning, but in Sahaja Yoga, what part is called as Void? You see, in Sahaja Yoga we do call it as Void, a part of it, but if you want, you can call it Bhava-Saghara, or you can call it Void, or Gap, name as a Gap all that. This is the stomach of a human being, it is the visceras, and it has worked two important Chakras, you see, one is the central one, which is called as the Vishnu’s Chakra and another one is Swadishthana which is circling it. The relationship between the sustaining power that is within us, which is the evolutionary power, which gives us this human form from amoeba, which is the evolving power within us, placed in our stomach, on the solar plexus. This relationship between this power and with the five elements is the area which is Dharma, is the Atman, is the Ruh… (GAP) … themselves. For example, supposing you say you are a Buddhist, supposing one says, "I am a Buddhist", you don’t become Buddha, by any chance, you don’t. And this understanding goes on disappearing after some time, you see, among human beings and I was amazed that really the head of the Zen is not a realized soul and I told him and he told Me, they had only twenty-six kashyapas so far, only twenty-six realized souls there. And he was travelling with about five of the disciples and he came to India and none of them were realized. Is a fact. You see, now supposing here in India and if I tell here to someone that in India people these Temples are now the fortress of tantricans and people are loosing their temples which, which has living Deities – … it was something wrong things, people won’t like it. But it’s a fact. If you go there, you will be amazed. See I did speak with them, these Zen, because they had invited Me for this. I told to them what is real and I told to them what your Temples mean and how you go into thoughtless awareness and all that. But first thing is realization. Without that nothing happens, you see, this is all prescribed for realized souls. 'Zen' means 'dhyan', 'meditation'. Those who are not meditating, means who are not realized cannot understand Zen at all. You have to go in, otherwise it’s just a joke going on, it’s a Drama going on, you see? People are just thinking and by reading Zen and all that you are going to achieve something. You cannot achieve anything by reading. Only if you read Bible or Gheeta you cannot achieve anything. It’s only reading. Yogini: I [INDIST.] me and, and is, I, I, wish that needed are people, let’s say from all directions … Shri Mataji: All of them are reading. Yogini: Yes, yes. Shri Mataji: None of them, not one … Yogini: I want to say, if you find, you said it, five percent … Shri Mataji: Hundred percent? Zen – I will tell you, I have travelled all over the world, I have travelled all over the world now. I have been up to Chile, up to Argentina, up to Colombia – except for Australia I have been everywhere, but I have met many Australians and I can tell you, I haven’t met one, one Zen which has anything of truth left in him, not one Zen, even on the religious part of it, not even one. Like people like in India, there was a very decent one, a Brahmacharya was a great man, I mean he was like an Incarnation, like that he was. His disciples are, I was amazed that even they, when he had just done the sentence that, "I am telling you that you have to get your realization, without realization…" but they were also just the same, they are also following, let’s say, something that is dead. It is – supposing you are not realized and you start doing Sahaja Yoga to someone, moving your hands like this, raising the Kundalini – what will you do? You cannot do anything. So before – you see – feeling anything about what I say, you get your vibrations all right first of all, you get your Self realized, that’s the main thing. Once your vibrations are all right then you can judge it better, because before that you cannot, because there is no rapport with the Truth and with the Absolute. You must get your vibrations corrected. First your vibrations must be corrected, you must be realized and then you must judge it. Otherwise, you cannot. This is why – you see – we can spread anything which is false, because there I don’t have to put a condition on you. Here you have to be realized, you have to be settled down, then only you will understand. Without that, by paying money, say by joining any community or by becoming any member of it, you cannot, you cannot become a Sahaja Yogi. A Sahaja Yogi you can only become if you have got the vibrations, if you can raise the Kundalini, then only you can be a Sahaja Yogi, this is a very big condition. I mean if you have some sort of a society, as you have Buddhas-society, or you can have a – say – a Church or a Temple or any society, anybody can join it. You can join it, but you cannot be called that. And this has to be, because of this problem only, a person like Christ has been brought out and thrown up to dust, a person like Buddha, a person like Mahavira, all Incarnations. They were very great, too great for human beings to understand and because they never got realization they just brought back to dust, absolutely to dust. Buddhism has taken to such perversions, [INDIST.], if you go to Ladakh, Tibet, these Lamas! Now see, the Lama is speaking, now would you call it Buddhist? Yogi: Some of the Lamas are not religious at all, they just head to the, their community, they are not religious people. Shri Mataji: But they are not realized. I have not met even one Lama who is realized. You know this Pantcham-Lama and this, what is, Dalai Lama … Yogini: You may call him politician. Shri Mataji: I tell you, they are politicians Yogini: I know. Shri Mataji: That’s a hundred percent, not only but they are possessed people. Another Yogini: But do they, make they people … Shri Mataji: You see, apart from that they are possessed, you see, that’s how they get their “third eye” and all this nonsense and they got those visions and things. I was, My Husband was with Lal Badhur Shastri and Lal Badhur Shastri's wife was a little shy Lady and she could not go out. Normally I used to attend to people and I used to sit next to them. So this, when this Dalai Lama and this Pantcham Lama came to Delhi I was sitting next to him. I just could not sit, I was getting such burning from him and I felt little nervous sitting next to him, I mean funny …. So Shastriji asked Me, "Why are You not happy there?" I said, "If you don’t permit, if you permit Me, this man is not religious. Can you sit…?" He recognized Me. He said, "Just please, if You want, You can sit on the other side." So I moved on and then I gave him Bhandan and all that. They are parasites apart from anything. You see Tibet-people are so poor, so poor …. Have you been to Tibet? Very poor people, so poor, you cannot imagine, the poorest of poor are there and these people live in complete luxury, in palaces like this. They take their milk in silver bowls and they have marble inlets and the people are in absolutely die out poverty. They do not have houses, you know, they have touched things and – I mean, you cannot imagine the poverty there. Out of those people to suck the blood and live like this is only possible for the rakshasas, I tell you. If you, if you do not like it, I have to say that. You will feel the same way, if you are sensitive of it. I went to [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Bhendabhat], to Gokul and I came back and I told them, all the rakshasas, all the [INDIST.] which are the servants of Khamsa, all the rakshasas are now the Pandas. Now you may not like it. When Christ hit people with the hunter, they did not like it, but that doesn’t mean they do not deserve it. I am going to Ganges with lustrous anger this time. All the Pandas had to run away. You see, they are the people who are making money on the river Ganges. Sitting there, looting people – how can it be God? It is Anti-God, absolutely Anti-God. Yogini: I know this. Shri Mataji: … absolutely, hundred percent. Whether people like it or not, I have to say the truth. I am not here for seeking elections. All these are to be punished and are to be thrown away from the society. These are the ones who crucified Christ, these are the ones who hit Buddha, these are the ones who tortured Mahavira, these are the people who are today become, have religious people, trying to propagate religion and trying to make money out of it. A very ingenious method to, to build up a so a religion to earn money, it’s floating and enterprise …. Yogini: They really do that and Buddha might [INDIST.] Knowing criticize, you see, my interest in Buddhism is not in Buddhists, but the philosophy is good …. Shri Mataji: That’s what is Sahaja, He is nothing but Sahaja …. Yogini: So they are following what was the criticism, because you see, if you bend … Shri Mataji: Not about Buddha I must say, I never cri-, how can I criticize Buddha? I mean we use Him for the clearing of our Agnya. Yogi: Other people do still that. Shri Mataji: It is … you see, how could I criticize, it would be saying tomorrow that I am criticizing Christ, I mean how could I criticize Him? I mean how could this idea go into your head? Never! How can I criticize Him? On the contrary I am criticizing those who are using Him for their own purpose. Yogini: You better [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: That’s it! Yogini: [INDIST] Christ [INDIST.] … Yogi: Yes, this was such a decision for long …. Yogini: They said that every spiritual leader, you know, even Mahatma Gandhi, he has been so abused and he hasn’t been [INDIST.] now, and I think, I think that they are the leader [INDIST.] people with him. This is what I knew. Shri Mataji: Yes, but somebody has to say it. (Yogis laugh) Somebody has to say these things. Isn’t? Yogi: Somebody has to speak out and say it’s wrong. Shri Mataji: Yes. You see, you all, you see I am giving voice to what you want, you feel within yourselves. Isn’t it? That’s what, how can I criticize something that’s My part and parcel in My being. How could you think like that? [To a child:] Hello, Sue. [Yogis laugh] Hello Sue. Look at that! It’s good. So, you don’t be draggling to these things. You see, this is a very important thing that you must all get your realization. All of you must get realization, because of this, this one snag, one snag in all the religious leader. This snag has done all the harm. You see Buddha was absolutely correct, but that was not the time for giving realization to people. So He thought that if He organizes people, they will be ready to receive the realization. That’s what He organized, you see, and that’s why He created a sangham. But as all people are, I was also just the same, because I, I had to learn a lot about human beings. You know these people are too pure to understand how human beings are crooked. Even you see some of them have said that you must not tell lies, you must not do this, you must not do this. It’s useless for human beings! If you tell them, immediately they take a Bible, [INDIST: go-?], have a congregation, have a church nicely and give lectures, "You should not tell lies, these are ten commandments. Christ came in and He is our father, He is this and that. Go home and do the same thing"… and take all the money from the people! Is Tukarama, is there. We had a very great Saint like Gyaneshvara. Take the greatest of all is Adi Shankaracharya, the one who came. You see, He did not come to refute Buddha, He came to refute Buddhism, the way the Buddhism was going, and what He said is exactly the same that you are doing, exactly the same. He said, [INDIST: Hindi?], "Neither by Yoga nor by Sankha is this kind of a report now and all that, and by doing all these Sangha-Shakti and all that. Nothing! Only by Mother's grace that it will work out and that one has to get realization." He said it so clearly but you will find hardly few Indians who are supposed to be Hindus reading Shankaracharya. Can you believe it?

10/23/1978

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"The three channels", public programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 23 October 1978. No doubt, everyone will have to go through this process, but how many really want to be themselves? There are certain people who say, “We are seeking.” When I ask them, “What are you seeking?” they say, “We are seeking joy, peace, happiness…” Some of them are worried if they are worthy of it or not, whether they should really know their Self or not. There are two types of problems about such seekers. One which I call as “the left-hand side problem” of the Ida Nadi, where the people are very emotional, subdued, who bear all the oppressions of others on themselves. They say, “We are unworthy of this great position, Mother. How can we get Self-realization? We are sinners. How can we be… that higher evolved souls, when we have sinned, when we have done wrong?” This is one type. The another is the one who uses his rationality and he thinks, “How can it be possible? How can we get realization?” So many of them cannot believe that there could be a phenomena within us which works out Self-realization. They do not even understand that God is compassion, He is love. I wonder if such people of this category also really believe in God, in His all-powerful nature. They may have a photograph in their houses. If He’s compassion, if He’s love, then He’s not going to allow His own creation to be destroyed by foolish human beings, by some foolish people. So, both ways, one has to understand that every one of you will be exposed to His grace. But if you deny, if you do not want to get exposed, then even the compassion of God recedes; attention of God recedes from such people who do not want to receive the grace of God. He is anxious, very anxious. You will see that now in Sahaja Yoga which is a very different phenomena which you have never before seen, you have never witnessed this before. Is a working of compassionate nature of God. First of all, God – you have only heard about Him in the churches or in the Bible or in the temples, mosques, but you have never seen God at work. With the advancement of science, it has become really difficult for human beings to even conceive of anyone like that which we call as God. There also two types of reactions come in; one type which thinks, “Look at the world. How dirty it is, how meaningless it is, how the cruel people are ruling us! The people who are most undeserving, irreligious, who have no scruples are so successful in life!” The another denial is even stronger, another type, they say that “How can God be that cruel to create such horrible people on this earth? If He had any understanding of the sufferings of the people, why should He not come down Himself and put an end to all these horrible people, why doesn’t He kill them?” Is natural for a limited rationality to suggest all these ideas. The rationality does not understand the unlimited compassion of love of God, it does not understand its minute understanding of the problem and it does not have full idea as to how this compassion works. Neither it understands what is death, what is agony, what are the miseries of this world in the eyes of God. The limited understanding of a human being can be seen manifested in every day-to-day life. For example, if a son is arrested by the police, the father gets very upset. Instead of feeling ashamed of such a son who has done something bad, he goes and supports the son, he tries to take him away from the prison, he doesn’t want that there should be punishment for his own son. But the same thing if it is done by somebody else, his attitude is different. So, man’s attitude towards life is absolutely limited, and when we know about God who is unlimited, His attitude towards life has to be unlimited. He cannot limit His compassion to your needs, individual needs. It is unlimited source which is flowing all the time on this earth. It’s emitting every minute, everywhere, not even a single molecule or an atom is without it. You believe it or not, but it is so. But as soon as it enters into the mind of a human being, it does not want to see its unlimited nature; it sees its limited effects. For example, what we are trying on this earth with all our human civilization is to get happiness. But do we know: happiness is always combined with unhappiness? The human idea of happiness has always the other side which is unhappiness. Happiness cannot be without unhappiness. For example, you think that by developing your country, you will be happy. For us Indians we think like that, that we have to develop our country, we have to build the big things, to make our country people happy. But go to the people who are developed, to the most developed, go to Sweden. The number of suicides are maximum in the most developed country. It is a very shocking thing but it is so. The more you try to take to happiness, there will be unhappiness. Why is it so? The reason is, one side is, as I say is the left side, another is the right side. There is no balance in this pursuit. Balance is only possible if you can control. For example, children, say when they grow about eighteen years of age in this country, have a feeling that getting out of their parents’ homes and houses, they would be very happy. So they say, “Oh, on our own we are now, we are going out to, on ourselves, we’ll have a house of our own, we’ll live on our own, we’ll have everything on our own…” Are they happy people? If they are, then why do they take to drugs? Or else you can think of somebody who comes from a poorer family, he thinks that if he could get lots of money, he’ll be a very happy man. So he, for example he might do some sort of a puzzle or may go to… all kinds of races or whatever you have here – competitions to get more money, sort of thing – and may win a prize for it. Supposing even if he gets any amount of money – I have known some people who have won the prizes and they are the unhappiest people ever known. Because from one side the money comes in, from the other side the unhappiness comes in, as if they walk hand-in-hand. We must keep our eyes open to this fact: that why in all the affluent countries, there is such a lot of unhappiness, why people are committing suicide? But do not go to the other extreme also, where you just don’t do anything, sit at home, do nothing, lethargy about it. As you have seen the left-hand side, which is the existence power within us, we exist whether we are lazy or not, whether we work hard or not we exist. Here, there are many young people who first came to Me, they said, “Mother, we are successfully unemployed.” They think by doing no work they will achieve their goal and they will achieve God; this is another falsehood. One-sided attitude makes it limited. Those who run after money and position, those who run after women and run after all other worldly things and possessions of the world, are equally unhappy as the people who are killed in the wars. Or maybe even more unhappy, because they’re at least killed and finished. But here everybody is living in a state of agony. So the human attitude towards thing is that if you think there is a war and some people are killed, we think that these people are unhappy. But why in some of the countries people go and kill themselves then? If death was unhappiness, why they run away from unhappiness to another bigger unhappiness? If you kill yourself, then do you think it is going to be happiness? And if somebody else kills you then it is unhappiness? I’m already saying all these things, before also and today that this is what is called as “falsehood,” is mithyavaad, [speak falsely/lie – ED]. Both things are false. It is for you to see the falsehood of one thing and falsehood of another. Say for example Mr. Ian Smith, the great hero he thinks himself to be, in his aggression is trying to kill people. Is he a happy man who has achieved it? Or are they happy those whom he has killed? God has no play in this kind of foolishness. God never asked these aggressors like Hitler to start a war, he did it in his own freedom. Then what must we do to create people who would not get into unhappiness and a mirage of happiness? What is, where are we going to control the balance between the two? The one side which is the left side, we can see the developing countries are using it. They are poorer people, I went to Colombia and I went to Chile and to Argentina, and to many other developing countries, to China. I was amazed that their families' systems are still intact, their societies are still intact, their families are doing very well. They have no problem about their families – even in India we do not have. The developed are on the right-hand side, are the people who are developed. So many think that they are happy people. The have accumulated money, they have earned a reputation that they are developed, but their families are broken, they are so insecure, maximum number of, say, breast cancers are in here. The insecurities are built-in. It is more surprising how nature works its balance in a human being. When you are very much unsecured on the left-hand side, which is the result, you’ll be amazed. The insecurity of the left-hand side comes when your right side is over-developed. When you are over-developed, the families are destroyed, the houses are destroyed, the children are destroyed, you are alone, individual, on your own, hanging in the air. Then there are problems of the left-hand side, in the sense you feel very unsecured in your emotions, you cannot trust anybody, you don’t know, you will go home and “What is going to happen?” The husband today goes to another woman and the woman goes to another man, and all sorts of things are going on. These are the problems of the left-hand style to start with the people who develop their right-hand side because they neglect their left-hand side. On the contrary, who develop their right-hand side, try to develop – like the developing countries. I’m sorry, those who develop their left side, their society and family. Here we hear that people kill their children, but in India there could be many people who are making bad money for their own children. They are not afraid of law if they have to look after their children, they could be dacoits for their own children. They won’t live for themselves, but they live for their children, and they think they are doing right because they are doing it for their children. So those who are working out the left-hand side are having the problems of the right hand. And the right-hand problem is that they are all the time unsecured about money, unsecured about their positions; they’ll cut each other’s throat to get to a position. They are hankering after – supposing there is a, say a secretary and a higher position – I don’t know their names, you see it’s all prepositions to Me – but somebody who is a higher secretary and somebody’s a lower secretary. The lower secretary will cut the throat of the higher secretary to get to that. All his life he’ll be wasting in that. Like Mr. Ian Smith. Their aggression is in the power, so the people deny that power. They say, “No, we do not care for power.” Then they move to the right-hand side, that is Rajoguna. They say, “All right, we do not want any power, we do not want anything, we’ll be very simple people.” But they cannot be that way either. Hippies who did that, they painted themselves. They said, “We have nothing to do with this cloth and all that, and this uniform that one has to wear, we do not care, let us become hippies.” They thought in their minds they were becoming primitive, but they were not. So, they take to left-hand side deeper life, that is to take to drugs, is the deeper left-hand side thing. Going to the dead in a deeper way. So, you are left from one to another – from that when you develop, you come back to another. It’s like a pendulum as I have told you before, many a times. But nature controls it, even by itself, also. Those people who are working on the left-hand side, means who are very busy with their children and are looking after their families, but are not worried about their wives and about their mothers and fathers, but who are worried about their positions and power and money, left side people, they will get mostly heart attacks if they try to work very hard, as they say. Me- I mean they are actually working on the right-hand side. If you see their nature is, left-handed people would work on the right-hand side. You see the difference that those who are the people who have not yet developed, who try to develop themselves. So, this is a juncture at which, what we find, the people who are not developed are developing themselves and those who are developed are trying to become underdeveloped, primitive. At this juncture we are, at this position when I’m speaking to you, today. So, there is a possibility that when the movement starts, suddenly from this right to the left by the developed people, people will become mad. They’ll be crazy, their head will fail. This is the control of the nature. When you try to work very hard, go to your office morning, evening, you are worried about your positions, and you think you must achieve this position, and go ahead like a horse in the race, then you get a heart attack. Imagine. What a balance! You should not get a heart attack for this, why should you get a heart attack, it is on the left-hand side. But those people who neglect their left-hand side, means they have no families, they have no children, they are over-developed, they are not worried about money, they get their doles all right; you go nutty here, quite nutty. Such stupid people that when you look at them you are amazed at their stupidity. They do all kinds of stupid things, which they do not understand. This ego has made them such a fool. It can start from anywhere to anywhere. For example, now we are in England, so we have to discuss about our problems in the West. It may be that people would put those nails into their bodies, they might paint their bodies. Might be an eighty-year-old man trying to marry a sixteen-year-old girl. All their lives they would not know what to do, when, wisdom would be missing. They are so stupid that when you read it you are amazed. But they go on doing it you know, the stupidity, they do not see ego. Ego has that capacity to cover you so well that you do not see your stupidity. Such idiotic things people do, that one cannot understand that such well-educated, highly qualified people, could be that stupid, like your Lord Byron. I mean he was a real stupid fellow, no doubt about him. Though he might have written some great poems- or whatever he might have done – with his brain, but if you see his lifestyle, he was a stupid fool. We do not realize it, but now when you come to Sahaj Yoga, one has to tell you that this is stupidity. That going to the extremes of the right side is as stupid as going to the left side. Those who are self-centered people only worried about their own children, about on their own families, about their own circle. In India we have also caste system, this system. These people are also on one extreme, I would say, as you people are on the other extreme. You do not have all this, but you have other things. But the result of all this is: those who try to run after positions, run after money, run after material possessions, are never happy people, can never be happy. You accumulate any amount of them, you will find they are the unhappiest people ever living. Because I have told you that happiness and unhappiness goes hand in hand. On the other side when you love your children, is all right. But if you love them more than the collective being, like you see, say in our country or any country, where people would do anything for their children, they will sacrifice the whole country for their children. Under such circumstances also, a person cannot be happy. So, what is the balancing factor between the two that we have to see? What is the source of happiness that comes to a person? There has to be some balance about it. And this balance is the balance you learn in your dharma, in your religion, in your sustenance, that is in your stomach. That’s why sustenance is a very important part which gives us the balance of our being, really happy, if it is done in dharma, with control. Say for example we’ll take the right-hand side people – those who are trying to… I mean those who are working on right hand side, trying to learn a lot and trying to achieve a position – are of the Maha-Saraswati channel as we call it. If you see the Maha-Saraswati’s, Saraswati’s symbol that was created by those old, ancient sages, you’ll be amazed, how they knew that we would lose our balance. The way they created Her image is most interesting. Those who run after money are worshipping actually Lakshmi. Lakshmi also has an image which is so wonderfully balanced, that you cannot imagine how it is suggested that: if a person has to have Lakshmi, what are the things needed? Lakshmi is the goddess they say of wealth and wellbeing. But it is the daughter of Maha Lakshmi you can say, or in the small form of Maha Lakshmi, which is the goddess of sustenance, which is the goddess of your evolution. That is the power by which you evolve. This goddess has got four hands. She’s first of all a mother. That means a person who is a rich man must be a person full of compassion. Where do you find such people? The man who has lots of money, must get with money, side-by-side, lot of compassion. And such a man will never suffer if he has money, but if he has no compassion in his heart then that money is going to eat him off. His children will run away, he will do some sort of wrong things and he will suffer on account of that money. Then if you see Lakshmi’s hand, with one hand She gives. The rich man, so called “rich man,” must have rich heart. If he’s a miserly fellow, if he’s a miser, if you go to his house and he cannot give, then he is not a rich man. For example, what I find in the advertisements you read anywhere, these people always when they try to advertise, they will say: “Save three pies to buy this.” This is the advertisement. I mean the whole accent is on saving and miserliness throughout, not on quality too. Miserliness is a sign of horrible poverty of the heart; even a poor man who is generous is thousand time richer than a miserly rich person. He stings of miserliness. She gives. She doesn’t take but She gives. If riches are accumulated by taking somebody’s money illegally or troubling somebody and in a grabbing way, all the time thinking of collecting more money and more money and more money, I can assure you it will never lead you to happiness. But if you are getting money just to give, just an agency just to give, you are there to get it and to be given, not only to your children and only to the people who are dependent around you or those who try to be your friends, who come for drinks and eat your food, but in a very unknown manner that you do not know how you spend your money where, and you do not talk about it, you do not tell about it, you do not say about it – that is a real rich man and such a man never suffers from the dearth of money. This symbol was given to us through the unconscious itself has prepared this symbol for us to understand that riches are not with the people who accumulate money. You will find a common example: those people who accumulate money with miserliness, people talk so ill about them, they make fun of such miserly people, they just laugh at such a person, they just can’t understand that is another stupidity to be a miser. The another hand is like this. This hand suggests the protection, the protection given to anybody who needs help, anybody, again I am saying – that is the real rich man. These are ideals, of course, everybody is not perfect but these are ideals. Anybody who comes to your house and ask for help, give him help. “It’s very difficult,” people will say, “It is very difficult to help anyone who ask for anything, ‘All right, you take it away.’” How can you say that? But you’ll be so rich, so rich that you would not know what to do with your things and how to get rid of them. Anybody who comes in your way, you say, “All right, you want this, all right take it.” Try some time My formula, worth trying. I’ve lived like this all My life. I’ll give you an example, you see in India women prefer nylon saris very much and I don’t like them very much Myself, I’m a different type, I would say. And I had one good nylon sari with Me and a friend of Mine said: “Oh, I haven’t got one good nylon from the foreign country.” So, I told My niece-in-law, I said, “I think I should give her this sari. She’s My elder, but we can give it on a Dussehra day to an elder something, so I’ll give her this sari because she said it.” She said, “You have only one and that You want to give away?” I said: “That’s all. She has said it, that’s sufficient, I’m going to give her this.” When we were talking about this in the kitchen you will be amazed somebody rang the bell. And one gentleman had come from Africa and he said: “I have got something for You from East Africa.” I said: “What?” He got two nylon saris, one of them was of the same color as I had. And he said, "The lady who had gone here had- she needed some money so You gave her in Bombay, so she has purchased these herself." I said: “See, the proof has come.” The same color, exactly the same sari was there. I said, “See, two. Now are we going to wear two of them or not?” You just try, if you believe that there is compassion, there is God in every, every movement of every small little molecule. If you really believe in it, then try this. Of course I mean, there’s nothing that you, if you do not get, one should not worry, because if you are really lordly and if you are really kingly as we call it baadshah [“king” in Hindi]. See Guru Nanak was called as baadshah, not that He was the emperor of India, baadshah is a thing that is the temperament as they say, the tabeeat ["nature" in Hindi], is the temperament of a king. Even if you could put a king- if he’s really rich why should he worry about the great comforts? No comfort can dominate a kingly person; he will sleep on a stone like a king, he’ll walk on the rugged road like a king, you can see his majesty and his dignity in his grace whether in adversity or in where the people are praising. He’s above all those things. That is the sign of a kingly personality. In Sahaj Yoga when you come in, as I have told you Sahaj Yoga not like this that you take a toothpaste, all right, you rub it and you’ll get the results. No. You have to also do the Antar Yoga. Once your Kundalini has tried there, you have to do the Antar Yoga, means you have to raise your Kundalini again and again and raise your sense of beauty, your aesthetics, not in buying the antiques, but by enjoying the joy of aesthetics of life. So, miserliness is unaesthetic hundred percent. Anybody who talks about miserliness should be absolutely an ugly person whatever he may be wearing, whatever may be his money. So, with one hand She gives, with one hand She gives protection to people, protection to people: ashirvaad. Abhaya, this is the abhaya [fearlessness – ED]. Those who come for the help of such a person, he gives protection. The two other hands have got beautiful lotus flowers in the hand. They are pink in color and you know the pink color suggest the love, the love, the warmth. Such a person should be a warm person, not to the people of your equal ranks and high rank but to anyone who comes. When somebody comes to your house and if your face shows discomfort, then you are not a Lakshmipati you are not blessed by Lakshmi. Must have that grace and that beauty. “Oh! God, somebody has come at this time, what must be the difficulty, why has he come in the night?” You should feel that within yourself, “Oh, I hope everything’s all right. What should I do for him?” The warmth of the heart, the coziness of the lotus, the black bee, which is a very big black thing, is one of the ugliest and very hard, tough thing, and the legs are covered with thorny, prickly ends, but the lotus opens its leaves and the lotus is extremely soft inside; it takes in this lonely, black bee and it rest there, in that comfort. The comfort that one indulges into for oneself, if it is not shared with others! That doesn’t mean that you call people for drinks and share the drinks and the sin. Sin is very easily shared by people; it’s a common practice to share the sin. It’s very much person enjoyable, you see, such a person is regarded as 'extremely jolly and a nice person', who comes and says, talks about very filthy things. But comfort-giving, love-giving things are never shared with others. Try to share and see what I say is correct or not. You will feel so elevated within yourself, you start enjoying that comfort that the other person is enjoying. Is the most enjoyable time when you see others are enjoying comfort because you have done something. And that is the greatest fulfilling thing for Me, to see that others have had it. This, in short, is the image of Lakshmi. The image of Saraswati is to be understood also very well, is the image of the goddess of learning. Of course, I’ve known many learned pundits in India and also abroad. Lakshmi is a married lady but Saraswati’s not. Learned people who are really of a very high quality, are little away, are little above, because they have to solve the problems for the society. They are not mundane type, they have to sacrifice a little of their married life and their personal life, because they are the people who have to give the vision to the society. And She has in her hand a veena, and in one hand She has a rosary, in the another hand She has the knowledge, that is books. Of course, She must read, no doubt. Means that those who are learned must be knowledgeable people. And I have seen so many of you have been to gurus and I was surprised the rumble-tumble knowledge you have about Kundalini. When they told Me that “These are the bija mantras and these …” I was shocked! How… (SIDE 1 ENDS ABRUPTLY.) …and you are shocked the way his knowledge is, he’s just a show on. You get somebody, say a great historian, supposed to be a great historian and you find that his knowledge about history is so factual there is no depth, there’s no vision in him to see why these things happened, why in history these things changed and what have we to learn from history. No vision of any kind. The books are in the hand, means the books are not sitting on you but they are in your hand, you have mastered the books. Mastering of the book doesn’t mean that you should know them by heart and go and tell people about what knowledge is there in Gita and what knowledge is there is there in the Bible, or any other book. No, that’s not the way the knowledge is. The knowledge is when you tell that the application of it in your own life and in other’s lives, when you show the practicability of that knowledge, when that knowledge is a light in your life, it is like a light for others, then he is a learned man. I met a very great philosopher of India; he has written many books on philosophy. And I found him to be such a superficial person, such a shallow person, I was amazed. I said, “How can this man talk of philosophy? In his life there is no light of philosophy, there is no light of compassion, there is no life of understanding of any kind. What has he writing about? It’s a lifeless writing." The another hand has got the rosary. Now rosary has the significance of the religious life. A learned man has to be a religious man, a man who is bowed down to the knowledge of God, the one who is seeking the knowledge of God. The man who seeks, say, the knowledge of economics only, what’s the use? You know that wants are not satiable in general. So what’s the use of running after such a knowledge? But if you are religious and if you have studied also the knowledge of religion, then you can relate that knowledge to religion. If you have no idea of religion, then you cannot relate this knowledge to that. Such a knowledge is absolutely useless. If you study physics and if you have not known what is science of inside, you cannot understand Kundalini Shastra at all. If it cannot be related to the ultimate, it is a lost knowledge. Like the tributaries of the river, all the tributaries must fall into the big river Ganges to go into the sea. That is the end of all the knowledge and the knowledge that does not connect it with the superior knowledge is a waste. That’s why you will find so many big people came, they wrote books after books, they are all just become nothing. But see them! Only those who related their knowledge to something higher – even Einstein, a man of his caliber, he could not do without God’s ideas; Bernard Shaw could not do without God’s idea – all of them had to relate their knowledge to God’s knowledge. Otherwise, it is like a knowledge which has no roots. It’s a dead knowledge. That is why the rosary in the hand of a learned is given. And in the hand is the veena. Veena is the instrument which is the first instrument that was created – that is the primordial knowledge about aesthetics of sound, the primordial ideas about aesthetics of colors, the science of beauty. He has to be a man who understands beauty, in its glory and not in its condemnation. Such learned people are to be respected. And these are our ideals as far as the movement of your being is concerned. You have to move with the idea that whatever extreme you are trying to do, avoid it, be in the center and keep your eyes on the ideals that we have to have these other sides also otherwise only the nose will increase or the ears will increase or the eyes will increase. The whole has to be increased by balance, then only you can have the real joy out of it, and not the combination happiness must go with unhappiness. But the greatest thing of getting the joy is Self-knowledge, is to know your Self. Once you have known your Self, it’s like a light which gives you a complete balance. Once you have known your Self, you will know the collective being and then you will know also that all this knowledge, whatever you have got so far, is for the use of the collective being within yourself [your Self]. Then you will be rightly using that knowledge for the right purpose, the wealth that you have cumulated for the right purpose. And then the real joy will come into you. And it has to be understood in its complete form and not in its part here and a part there. Those who lead such partial life, are imbalanced and can never be happy. As long as they are running, they may be, but when they stop, they’ll be very unhappy. So never confuse happiness with joy; joy is something very different from happiness. Do not seek happiness, but seek joy and blessings of God by which our lives are blossomed, that we receive all the dimensions as I told you that you all have sixty-four dimensions which are to be exposed, sixty-four dimensions all of you [have got]. But they are not possible to be even felt before Self-realization, so Self-realization is the first step which one should achieve. Now those who think that, “After all we have to live in this world,” everybody lives. Do not divert your attention to something that is not so important. Now the time has come for you to put your attention to the right thing so you achieve the right results with your life. As it is, you will find that you have already wasted your time, in the way when you will think over it, you will think, “Oh God, I have been doing this, all this my life." But now the time has come for us to respect ourselves, evaluate ourselves and make the best and the maximum out of it. Today I have given this lecture, because after eight days or so, on the same day, today, Monday, there is a Diwali in India, where we have really a combination of four things and one of them is this Lakshmi Puja. On the Diwali day, when next time I speak, I’ll tell you all these four days what do they show. But those who think by denying God, by not paying attention to Him, they could be happy, and they could be joyful, they are sadly mistaken. Ultimately it is He who is to be achieved, it is He who is to be manifested, it is He who is to be worshipped and to be enjoyed. So those who think that anything else is going to replace this are sadly mistaken. You will see, those, thousands of years back those who came in the name of God were not the people very successful or very rich or something like that, a very great seducer or people like Duke of Wellington. But they were great people, they are the milestones of our creation and not these who just arbitrarily behave without understanding the universal nature that is within us. May God bless you all! Let us have some meditation and see how it works out for all of you. If you have any questions, anyone of you please ask, any questions are there, we will do for five minutes, not much time is to be wasted on questioning. Have to take out your shoes. (The following is a translation into English of a small section of the talk where Mother spoke in Hindi.) How are you? Body shakes in front of Me. Your Guruji Maharaj, God save you from him! Each one is… Keep your eyes open. Are you feeling the cool breeze, little? How are you all? Okay. (Talk continued in English.) Who are the new people today, absolutely new? Now… Who else is? Man: This lady’s for the first time. Shri Mataji: You are also for the first time? You had come earlier. Lady: Yes, from Birmingham. Bala asked You. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. May God bless you. She’s already got realization. Bala is a great Sahaj Yogi he is, must say. He started his work in Birmingham and he has given realization to so many people. And he just can’t understand how, by raising Kundalini, how he’s being able to give realization to people, how it is working! Every one of you can do it, those who are realized. But some people have courage like Bala, who has just taken up upon himself, and even these two gentlemen’s friend Subramanyam. He came to see Me in Bombay, [no] in Delhi, just to – he was driving a car to drop some people and he came to see Me, got his realization. As today he’s a very great Sahaj Yogi, in Delhi he has cured so many people and he is doing such a lot of work. So, it is only for the Sahaj Yogis to take upon themselves. See those who take up, they can work it out very well, it’s not difficult. All of you are enlightened and you all can do great work. It’s what I was wondering, that I have not seen her before and how she is realized! Lady with German accent: I’ve searched for the truth for so long. I know the truth is in you, I know that, without any – I read this paper (unclear), and I knew immediately. And in thirty-three years I have searched for someone who really speaks the truth and doesn’t bend the truth, and you don’t find those, Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s why you find it, also. If you accept something as truth and you linger on it, then it is a wrong thing, you see? And then what happens, that you are identified with it, and it’s very difficult because these misidentifications cannot drop out. You have to give up this misidentification, then only the truth comes within you. And truth is the most joy giving thing, I mean it is joy, truth is joy and that’s beauty, sat-chit-ananda. It is not a harsh thing. Truth is not harsh. People think truth means harsh stuff, no it is not, it’s the most beautiful thing. It’s the most delicate thing, it’s a very subtle thing, and it’s the most joy-giving thing. It’s the truth that when it ripples, you see when it pulsates, then you get the joy. The pulsation of truth is joy. It’s not harsh, it’s extremely kind, compassion. Love of God is truth. They say, “God is love, and love is God,” but people don’t understand what does that mean! Do you have any questions? Is there any question? You have come for the first time? Man. Mmm. Shri Mataji: You, you can come forward here. I would like to see you. Who else is there? Come along, come along. What’s the matter? Hmm? There’s one space here. Please be seated. Sit there. (Mother asks a question in Hindi.) Now put your hands like this, just like this. With comfort. Don’t strain yourself, just put it like this, just like that. Is nothing to be done much. Truth is silent, it doesn’t speak, it just works. Start getting cool breeze in your hand and go into meditation with that. Breeze-like thing. Those who cannot close their eyes properly must keep their eyes open. If you can close them nicely without any difficulty, without any flickering, then it’s all right, that means you are all right. But in case there is any flickering in the eyes then keep them open. They shake sometimes, quite a lot, before Me. Are you feeling the coolness in your hands? Are you feeling the coolness? Open your palm, open your eyes. Don’t close your eyes. …[Inaudible]. Sit with your hands open. You must feel the coolness in your hands. …there’s a cool breeze-like thing should come in the hand. If it is not coming, you don’t worry, it will work out. It’s coming? That’s good, that’s good. (In Hindi: Yes, it is coming. It will start coming slowly.) (Mother asks someone in Hindi.) What about you? You have some problem; it will become all right. It will come. How are you now? Okay. Are you feeling the coolness in your hands? No not yet. You come in the front, someone will see. Doctor, you sit here. (In English.) Just sit down. We’ll see. Keep your right hand on your heart. His back with… Heart, on the… right hand on the heart, yes. Put your hand on his back just rub it a bit. (In Hindi.) Do you have a guru? Audience: No. I don’t have any. Mother: Look here. Are you a devotee of Devi? No. Do you worship Durgaji? Do you worship Durgaji? Who do you worship? Vishnu. Vishnu is also like the Sun God. Whether you worship or not … (Inaudible) Come sit here. How are you Sardarji? Ok. That’s it you have become fine. What have you got to do? Yes, now your mother has also started looking nice. Come here and sit. Come and sit. Come sit in the front, move your hand, straighten both your legs. (Inaudible. Conversation.) That he has a problem, the whole right there. Hmm. Just like this. You put a little pressure there. Hmm. Now it’s done, can you feel it? (Conversation in Marathi.) The heat has to go out, too much heat he has…[Inaudible. ] Don’t keep your eyes closed. So how are you feeling? So, how’s the lady? (NOTE: The transcriber was not able to understand and complete about 7-10 minutes of the talk in Hindi towards the end of the talk.) Shri Mataji in English: Very hot. Just imagine, he’s feeling cold and he’s feeling hot. See before he was not. Both of them of the same thing they have come together, but he had a problem, you see? (Unclear words) was heating on his body into you. Now that’s the reason and I told you that’s a wrong thing, eh? And he’s just looking and he said, “Is he?” It’s a kind of a disease he’s got. Better now? Man: I was feeling from You going down. Shri Mataji: Yes, the heat has to go out, you see. Too much heat you have within you. That is what it is. Rub his back. Want some water? How is he? Lady: He’s very good. Shri Mataji: He said “Yes” to Me last week last week, ha? Last week. Problem is… Let her sit there. Just put her left hand like this. Just tell him to move like that. Don’t keep your eyes closed. All right? Keep them open and then pay attention on My feet, you can (indistinct) for a while. So how is the lady? Oh! Oh, she is very normal now. Isn’t she? How are you? You are finally normal now, much better, much relaxed. (Indistinct.) What about you, how are you now, are you better? Better? You don’t need that feeling now. (Indistinct.) So how is it but how are your parents? Did you go and see them? Lady: Not yet. (Indistinct.) Shri Mataji: You can’t really work on her? How are you? You’re all right. (NOTE: There’s about 7-10 mins towards the end of the talk which the transcriber has not been able to understand and complete.)

"The three channels", public programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 23 October 1978. No doubt, everyone will have to go through this process, but how many really want to be themselves? There are certain people who say, “We are seeking.” When I ask them, “What are you seeking?” they say, “We are seeking joy, peace, happiness…” Some of them are worried if they are worthy of it or not, whether they should really know their Self or not. There are two types of problems about such seekers. One which I call as “the left-hand side problem” of the Ida Nadi, where the people are very emotional, subdued, who bear all the oppressions of others on themselves. They say, “We are unworthy of this great position, Mother. How can we get Self-realization? We are sinners. How can we be… that higher evolved souls, when we have sinned, when we have done wrong?” This is one type. The another is the one who uses his rationality and he thinks, “How can it be possible? How can we get realization?” So many of them cannot believe that there could be a phenomena within us which works out Self-realization. They do not even understand that God is compassion, He is love. I wonder if such people of this category also really believe in God, in His all-powerful nature. They may have a photograph in their houses. If He’s compassion, if He’s love, then He’s not going to allow His own creation to be destroyed by foolish human beings, by some foolish people. So, both ways, one has to understand that every one of you will be exposed to His grace. But if you deny, if you do not want to get exposed, then even the compassion of God recedes; attention of God recedes from such people who do not want to receive the grace of God. He is anxious, very anxious. You will see that now in Sahaja Yoga which is a very different phenomena which you have never before seen, you have never witnessed this before. Is a working of compassionate nature of God. First of all, God – you have only heard about Him in the churches or in the Bible or in the temples, mosques, but you have never seen God at work. With the advancement of science, it has become really difficult for human beings to even conceive of anyone like that which we call as God. There also two types of reactions come in; one type which thinks, “Look at the world. How dirty it is, how meaningless it is, how the cruel people are ruling us! The people who are most undeserving, irreligious, who have no scruples are so successful in life!” The another denial is even stronger, another type, they say that “How can God be that cruel to create such horrible people on this earth? If He had any understanding of the sufferings of the people, why should He not come down Himself and put an end to all these horrible people, why doesn’t He kill them?” Is natural for a limited rationality to suggest all these ideas. The rationality does not understand the unlimited compassion of love of God, it does not understand its minute understanding of the problem and it does not have full idea as to how this compassion works. Neither it understands what is death, what is agony, what are the miseries of this world in the eyes of God. The limited understanding of a human being can be seen manifested in every day-to-day life. For example, if a son is arrested by the police, the father gets very upset. Instead of feeling ashamed of such a son who has done something bad, he goes and supports the son, he tries to take him away from the prison, he doesn’t want that there should be punishment for his own son. But the same thing if it is done by somebody else, his attitude is different. So, man’s attitude towards life is absolutely limited, and when we know about God who is unlimited, His attitude towards life has to be unlimited. He cannot limit His compassion to your needs, individual needs. It is unlimited source which is flowing all the time on this earth. It’s emitting every minute, everywhere, not even a single molecule or an atom is without it. You believe it or not, but it is so. But as soon as it enters into the mind of a human being, it does not want to see its unlimited nature; it sees its limited effects. For example, what we are trying on this earth with all our human civilization is to get happiness. But do we know: happiness is always combined with unhappiness? The human idea of happiness has always the other side which is unhappiness. Happiness cannot be without unhappiness. For example, you think that by developing your country, you will be happy. For us Indians we think like that, that we have to develop our country, we have to build the big things, to make our country people happy. But go to the people who are developed, to the most developed, go to Sweden. The number of suicides are maximum in the most developed country. It is a very shocking thing but it is so. The more you try to take to happiness, there will be unhappiness. Why is it so? The reason is, one side is, as I say is the left side, another is the right side. There is no balance in this pursuit. Balance is only possible if you can control. For example, children, say when they grow about eighteen years of age in this country, have a feeling that getting out of their parents’ homes and houses, they would be very happy. So they say, “Oh, on our own we are now, we are going out to, on ourselves, we’ll have a house of our own, we’ll live on our own, we’ll have everything on our own…” Are they happy people? If they are, then why do they take to drugs? Or else you can think of somebody who comes from a poorer family, he thinks that if he could get lots of money, he’ll be a very happy man. So he, for example he might do some sort of a puzzle or may go to… all kinds of races or whatever you have here – competitions to get more money, sort of thing – and may win a prize for it. Supposing even if he gets any amount of money – I have known some people who have won the prizes and they are the unhappiest people ever known. Because from one side the money comes in, from the other side the unhappiness comes in, as if they walk hand-in-hand. We must keep our eyes open to this fact: that why in all the affluent countries, there is such a lot of unhappiness, why people are committing suicide? But do not go to the other extreme also, where you just don’t do anything, sit at home, do nothing, lethargy about it. As you have seen the left-hand side, which is the existence power within us, we exist whether we are lazy or not, whether we work hard or not we exist. Here, there are many young people who first came to Me, they said, “Mother, we are successfully unemployed.” They think by doing no work they will achieve their goal and they will achieve God; this is another falsehood. One-sided attitude makes it limited. Those who run after money and position, those who run after women and run after all other worldly things and possessions of the world, are equally unhappy as the people who are killed in the wars. Or maybe even more unhappy, because they’re at least killed and finished. But here everybody is living in a state of agony. So the human attitude towards thing is that if you think there is a war and some people are killed, we think that these people are unhappy. But why in some of the countries people go and kill themselves then? If death was unhappiness, why they run away from unhappiness to another bigger unhappiness? If you kill yourself, then do you think it is going to be happiness? And if somebody else kills you then it is unhappiness? I’m already saying all these things, before also and today that this is what is called as “falsehood,” is mithyavaad, [speak falsely/lie – ED]. Both things are false. It is for you to see the falsehood of one thing and falsehood of another. Say for example Mr. Ian Smith, the great hero he thinks himself to be, in his aggression is trying to kill people. Is he a happy man who has achieved it? Or are they happy those whom he has killed? God has no play in this kind of foolishness. God never asked these aggressors like Hitler to start a war, he did it in his own freedom. Then what must we do to create people who would not get into unhappiness and a mirage of happiness? What is, where are we going to control the balance between the two? The one side which is the left side, we can see the developing countries are using it. They are poorer people, I went to Colombia and I went to Chile and to Argentina, and to many other developing countries, to China. I was amazed that their families' systems are still intact, their societies are still intact, their families are doing very well. They have no problem about their families – even in India we do not have. The developed are on the right-hand side, are the people who are developed. So many think that they are happy people. The have accumulated money, they have earned a reputation that they are developed, but their families are broken, they are so insecure, maximum number of, say, breast cancers are in here. The insecurities are built-in. It is more surprising how nature works its balance in a human being. When you are very much unsecured on the left-hand side, which is the result, you’ll be amazed. The insecurity of the left-hand side comes when your right side is over-developed. When you are over-developed, the families are destroyed, the houses are destroyed, the children are destroyed, you are alone, individual, on your own, hanging in the air. Then there are problems of the left-hand side, in the sense you feel very unsecured in your emotions, you cannot trust anybody, you don’t know, you will go home and “What is going to happen?” The husband today goes to another woman and the woman goes to another man, and all sorts of things are going on. These are the problems of the left-hand style to start with the people who develop their right-hand side because they neglect their left-hand side. On the contrary, who develop their right-hand side, try to develop – like the developing countries. I’m sorry, those who develop their left side, their society and family. Here we hear that people kill their children, but in India there could be many people who are making bad money for their own children. They are not afraid of law if they have to look after their children, they could be dacoits for their own children. They won’t live for themselves, but they live for their children, and they think they are doing right because they are doing it for their children. So those who are working out the left-hand side are having the problems of the right hand. And the right-hand problem is that they are all the time unsecured about money, unsecured about their positions; they’ll cut each other’s throat to get to a position. They are hankering after – supposing there is a, say a secretary and a higher position – I don’t know their names, you see it’s all prepositions to Me – but somebody who is a higher secretary and somebody’s a lower secretary. The lower secretary will cut the throat of the higher secretary to get to that. All his life he’ll be wasting in that. Like Mr. Ian Smith. Their aggression is in the power, so the people deny that power. They say, “No, we do not care for power.” Then they move to the right-hand side, that is Rajoguna. They say, “All right, we do not want any power, we do not want anything, we’ll be very simple people.” But they cannot be that way either. Hippies who did that, they painted themselves. They said, “We have nothing to do with this cloth and all that, and this uniform that one has to wear, we do not care, let us become hippies.” They thought in their minds they were becoming primitive, but they were not. So, they take to left-hand side deeper life, that is to take to drugs, is the deeper left-hand side thing. Going to the dead in a deeper way. So, you are left from one to another – from that when you develop, you come back to another. It’s like a pendulum as I have told you before, many a times. But nature controls it, even by itself, also. Those people who are working on the left-hand side, means who are very busy with their children and are looking after their families, but are not worried about their wives and about their mothers and fathers, but who are worried about their positions and power and money, left side people, they will get mostly heart attacks if they try to work very hard, as they say. Me- I mean they are actually working on the right-hand side. If you see their nature is, left-handed people would work on the right-hand side. You see the difference that those who are the people who have not yet developed, who try to develop themselves. So, this is a juncture at which, what we find, the people who are not developed are developing themselves and those who are developed are trying to become underdeveloped, primitive. At this juncture we are, at this position when I’m speaking to you, today. So, there is a possibility that when the movement starts, suddenly from this right to the left by the developed people, people will become mad. They’ll be crazy, their head will fail. This is the control of the nature. When you try to work very hard, go to your office morning, evening, you are worried about your positions, and you think you must achieve this position, and go ahead like a horse in the race, then you get a heart attack. Imagine. What a balance! You should not get a heart attack for this, why should you get a heart attack, it is on the left-hand side. But those people who neglect their left-hand side, means they have no families, they have no children, they are over-developed, they are not worried about money, they get their doles all right; you go nutty here, quite nutty. Such stupid people that when you look at them you are amazed at their stupidity. They do all kinds of stupid things, which they do not understand. This ego has made them such a fool. It can start from anywhere to anywhere. For example, now we are in England, so we have to discuss about our problems in the West. It may be that people would put those nails into their bodies, they might paint their bodies. Might be an eighty-year-old man trying to marry a sixteen-year-old girl. All their lives they would not know what to do, when, wisdom would be missing. They are so stupid that when you read it you are amazed. But they go on doing it you know, the stupidity, they do not see ego. Ego has that capacity to cover you so well that you do not see your stupidity. Such idiotic things people do, that one cannot understand that such well-educated, highly qualified people, could be that stupid, like your Lord Byron. I mean he was a real stupid fellow, no doubt about him. Though he might have written some great poems- or whatever he might have done – with his brain, but if you see his lifestyle, he was a stupid fool. We do not realize it, but now when you come to Sahaj Yoga, one has to tell you that this is stupidity. That going to the extremes of the right side is as stupid as going to the left side. Those who are self-centered people only worried about their own children, about on their own families, about their own circle. In India we have also caste system, this system. These people are also on one extreme, I would say, as you people are on the other extreme. You do not have all this, but you have other things. But the result of all this is: those who try to run after positions, run after money, run after material possessions, are never happy people, can never be happy. You accumulate any amount of them, you will find they are the unhappiest people ever living. Because I have told you that happiness and unhappiness goes hand in hand. On the other side when you love your children, is all right. But if you love them more than the collective being, like you see, say in our country or any country, where people would do anything for their children, they will sacrifice the whole country for their children. Under such circumstances also, a person cannot be happy. So, what is the balancing factor between the two that we have to see? What is the source of happiness that comes to a person? There has to be some balance about it. And this balance is the balance you learn in your dharma, in your religion, in your sustenance, that is in your stomach. That’s why sustenance is a very important part which gives us the balance of our being, really happy, if it is done in dharma, with control. Say for example we’ll take the right-hand side people – those who are trying to… I mean those who are working on right hand side, trying to learn a lot and trying to achieve a position – are of the Maha-Saraswati channel as we call it. If you see the Maha-Saraswati’s, Saraswati’s symbol that was created by those old, ancient sages, you’ll be amazed, how they knew that we would lose our balance. The way they created Her image is most interesting. Those who run after money are worshipping actually Lakshmi. Lakshmi also has an image which is so wonderfully balanced, that you cannot imagine how it is suggested that: if a person has to have Lakshmi, what are the things needed? Lakshmi is the goddess they say of wealth and wellbeing. But it is the daughter of Maha Lakshmi you can say, or in the small form of Maha Lakshmi, which is the goddess of sustenance, which is the goddess of your evolution. That is the power by which you evolve. This goddess has got four hands. She’s first of all a mother. That means a person who is a rich man must be a person full of compassion. Where do you find such people? The man who has lots of money, must get with money, side-by-side, lot of compassion. And such a man will never suffer if he has money, but if he has no compassion in his heart then that money is going to eat him off. His children will run away, he will do some sort of wrong things and he will suffer on account of that money. Then if you see Lakshmi’s hand, with one hand She gives. The rich man, so called “rich man,” must have rich heart. If he’s a miserly fellow, if he’s a miser, if you go to his house and he cannot give, then he is not a rich man. For example, what I find in the advertisements you read anywhere, these people always when they try to advertise, they will say: “Save three pies to buy this.” This is the advertisement. I mean the whole accent is on saving and miserliness throughout, not on quality too. Miserliness is a sign of horrible poverty of the heart; even a poor man who is generous is thousand time richer than a miserly rich person. He stings of miserliness. She gives. She doesn’t take but She gives. If riches are accumulated by taking somebody’s money illegally or troubling somebody and in a grabbing way, all the time thinking of collecting more money and more money and more money, I can assure you it will never lead you to happiness. But if you are getting money just to give, just an agency just to give, you are there to get it and to be given, not only to your children and only to the people who are dependent around you or those who try to be your friends, who come for drinks and eat your food, but in a very unknown manner that you do not know how you spend your money where, and you do not talk about it, you do not tell about it, you do not say about it – that is a real rich man and such a man never suffers from the dearth of money. This symbol was given to us through the unconscious itself has prepared this symbol for us to understand that riches are not with the people who accumulate money. You will find a common example: those people who accumulate money with miserliness, people talk so ill about them, they make fun of such miserly people, they just laugh at such a person, they just can’t understand that is another stupidity to be a miser. The another hand is like this. This hand suggests the protection, the protection given to anybody who needs help, anybody, again I am saying – that is the real rich man. These are ideals, of course, everybody is not perfect but these are ideals. Anybody who comes to your house and ask for help, give him help. “It’s very difficult,” people will say, “It is very difficult to help anyone who ask for anything, ‘All right, you take it away.’” How can you say that? But you’ll be so rich, so rich that you would not know what to do with your things and how to get rid of them. Anybody who comes in your way, you say, “All right, you want this, all right take it.” Try some time My formula, worth trying. I’ve lived like this all My life. I’ll give you an example, you see in India women prefer nylon saris very much and I don’t like them very much Myself, I’m a different type, I would say. And I had one good nylon sari with Me and a friend of Mine said: “Oh, I haven’t got one good nylon from the foreign country.” So, I told My niece-in-law, I said, “I think I should give her this sari. She’s My elder, but we can give it on a Dussehra day to an elder something, so I’ll give her this sari because she said it.” She said, “You have only one and that You want to give away?” I said: “That’s all. She has said it, that’s sufficient, I’m going to give her this.” When we were talking about this in the kitchen you will be amazed somebody rang the bell. And one gentleman had come from Africa and he said: “I have got something for You from East Africa.” I said: “What?” He got two nylon saris, one of them was of the same color as I had. And he said, "The lady who had gone here had- she needed some money so You gave her in Bombay, so she has purchased these herself." I said: “See, the proof has come.” The same color, exactly the same sari was there. I said, “See, two. Now are we going to wear two of them or not?” You just try, if you believe that there is compassion, there is God in every, every movement of every small little molecule. If you really believe in it, then try this. Of course I mean, there’s nothing that you, if you do not get, one should not worry, because if you are really lordly and if you are really kingly as we call it baadshah [“king” in Hindi]. See Guru Nanak was called as baadshah, not that He was the emperor of India, baadshah is a thing that is the temperament as they say, the tabeeat ["nature" in Hindi], is the temperament of a king. Even if you could put a king- if he’s really rich why should he worry about the great comforts? No comfort can dominate a kingly person; he will sleep on a stone like a king, he’ll walk on the rugged road like a king, you can see his majesty and his dignity in his grace whether in adversity or in where the people are praising. He’s above all those things. That is the sign of a kingly personality. In Sahaj Yoga when you come in, as I have told you Sahaj Yoga not like this that you take a toothpaste, all right, you rub it and you’ll get the results. No. You have to also do the Antar Yoga. Once your Kundalini has tried there, you have to do the Antar Yoga, means you have to raise your Kundalini again and again and raise your sense of beauty, your aesthetics, not in buying the antiques, but by enjoying the joy of aesthetics of life. So, miserliness is unaesthetic hundred percent. Anybody who talks about miserliness should be absolutely an ugly person whatever he may be wearing, whatever may be his money. So, with one hand She gives, with one hand She gives protection to people, protection to people: ashirvaad. Abhaya, this is the abhaya [fearlessness – ED]. Those who come for the help of such a person, he gives protection. The two other hands have got beautiful lotus flowers in the hand. They are pink in color and you know the pink color suggest the love, the love, the warmth. Such a person should be a warm person, not to the people of your equal ranks and high rank but to anyone who comes. When somebody comes to your house and if your face shows discomfort, then you are not a Lakshmipati you are not blessed by Lakshmi. Must have that grace and that beauty. “Oh! God, somebody has come at this time, what must be the difficulty, why has he come in the night?” You should feel that within yourself, “Oh, I hope everything’s all right. What should I do for him?” The warmth of the heart, the coziness of the lotus, the black bee, which is a very big black thing, is one of the ugliest and very hard, tough thing, and the legs are covered with thorny, prickly ends, but the lotus opens its leaves and the lotus is extremely soft inside; it takes in this lonely, black bee and it rest there, in that comfort. The comfort that one indulges into for oneself, if it is not shared with others! That doesn’t mean that you call people for drinks and share the drinks and the sin. Sin is very easily shared by people; it’s a common practice to share the sin. It’s very much person enjoyable, you see, such a person is regarded as 'extremely jolly and a nice person', who comes and says, talks about very filthy things. But comfort-giving, love-giving things are never shared with others. Try to share and see what I say is correct or not. You will feel so elevated within yourself, you start enjoying that comfort that the other person is enjoying. Is the most enjoyable time when you see others are enjoying comfort because you have done something. And that is the greatest fulfilling thing for Me, to see that others have had it. This, in short, is the image of Lakshmi. The image of Saraswati is to be understood also very well, is the image of the goddess of learning. Of course, I’ve known many learned pundits in India and also abroad. Lakshmi is a married lady but Saraswati’s not. Learned people who are really of a very high quality, are little away, are little above, because they have to solve the problems for the society. They are not mundane type, they have to sacrifice a little of their married life and their personal life, because they are the people who have to give the vision to the society. And She has in her hand a veena, and in one hand She has a rosary, in the another hand She has the knowledge, that is books. Of course, She must read, no doubt. Means that those who are learned must be knowledgeable people. And I have seen so many of you have been to gurus and I was surprised the rumble-tumble knowledge you have about Kundalini. When they told Me that “These are the bija mantras and these …” I was shocked! How… (SIDE 1 ENDS ABRUPTLY.) …and you are shocked the way his knowledge is, he’s just a show on. You get somebody, say a great historian, supposed to be a great historian and you find that his knowledge about history is so factual there is no depth, there’s no vision in him to see why these things happened, why in history these things changed and what have we to learn from history. No vision of any kind. The books are in the hand, means the books are not sitting on you but they are in your hand, you have mastered the books. Mastering of the book doesn’t mean that you should know them by heart and go and tell people about what knowledge is there in Gita and what knowledge is there is there in the Bible, or any other book. No, that’s not the way the knowledge is. The knowledge is when you tell that the application of it in your own life and in other’s lives, when you show the practicability of that knowledge, when that knowledge is a light in your life, it is like a light for others, then he is a learned man. I met a very great philosopher of India; he has written many books on philosophy. And I found him to be such a superficial person, such a shallow person, I was amazed. I said, “How can this man talk of philosophy? In his life there is no light of philosophy, there is no light of compassion, there is no life of understanding of any kind. What has he writing about? It’s a lifeless writing." The another hand has got the rosary. Now rosary has the significance of the religious life. A learned man has to be a religious man, a man who is bowed down to the knowledge of God, the one who is seeking the knowledge of God. The man who seeks, say, the knowledge of economics only, what’s the use? You know that wants are not satiable in general. So what’s the use of running after such a knowledge? But if you are religious and if you have studied also the knowledge of religion, then you can relate that knowledge to religion. If you have no idea of religion, then you cannot relate this knowledge to that. Such a knowledge is absolutely useless. If you study physics and if you have not known what is science of inside, you cannot understand Kundalini Shastra at all. If it cannot be related to the ultimate, it is a lost knowledge. Like the tributaries of the river, all the tributaries must fall into the big river Ganges to go into the sea. That is the end of all the knowledge and the knowledge that does not connect it with the superior knowledge is a waste. That’s why you will find so many big people came, they wrote books after books, they are all just become nothing. But see them! Only those who related their knowledge to something higher – even Einstein, a man of his caliber, he could not do without God’s ideas; Bernard Shaw could not do without God’s idea – all of them had to relate their knowledge to God’s knowledge. Otherwise, it is like a knowledge which has no roots. It’s a dead knowledge. That is why the rosary in the hand of a learned is given. And in the hand is the veena. Veena is the instrument which is the first instrument that was created – that is the primordial knowledge about aesthetics of sound, the primordial ideas about aesthetics of colors, the science of beauty. He has to be a man who understands beauty, in its glory and not in its condemnation. Such learned people are to be respected. And these are our ideals as far as the movement of your being is concerned. You have to move with the idea that whatever extreme you are trying to do, avoid it, be in the center and keep your eyes on the ideals that we have to have these other sides also otherwise only the nose will increase or the ears will increase or the eyes will increase. The whole has to be increased by balance, then only you can have the real joy out of it, and not the combination happiness must go with unhappiness. But the greatest thing of getting the joy is Self-knowledge, is to know your Self. Once you have known your Self, it’s like a light which gives you a complete balance. Once you have known your Self, you will know the collective being and then you will know also that all this knowledge, whatever you have got so far, is for the use of the collective being within yourself [your Self]. Then you will be rightly using that knowledge for the right purpose, the wealth that you have cumulated for the right purpose. And then the real joy will come into you. And it has to be understood in its complete form and not in its part here and a part there. Those who lead such partial life, are imbalanced and can never be happy. As long as they are running, they may be, but when they stop, they’ll be very unhappy. So never confuse happiness with joy; joy is something very different from happiness. Do not seek happiness, but seek joy and blessings of God by which our lives are blossomed, that we receive all the dimensions as I told you that you all have sixty-four dimensions which are to be exposed, sixty-four dimensions all of you [have got]. But they are not possible to be even felt before Self-realization, so Self-realization is the first step which one should achieve. Now those who think that, “After all we have to live in this world,” everybody lives. Do not divert your attention to something that is not so important. Now the time has come for you to put your attention to the right thing so you achieve the right results with your life. As it is, you will find that you have already wasted your time, in the way when you will think over it, you will think, “Oh God, I have been doing this, all this my life." But now the time has come for us to respect ourselves, evaluate ourselves and make the best and the maximum out of it. Today I have given this lecture, because after eight days or so, on the same day, today, Monday, there is a Diwali in India, where we have really a combination of four things and one of them is this Lakshmi Puja. On the Diwali day, when next time I speak, I’ll tell you all these four days what do they show. But those who think by denying God, by not paying attention to Him, they could be happy, and they could be joyful, they are sadly mistaken. Ultimately it is He who is to be achieved, it is He who is to be manifested, it is He who is to be worshipped and to be enjoyed. So those who think that anything else is going to replace this are sadly mistaken. You will see, those, thousands of years back those who came in the name of God were not the people very successful or very rich or something like that, a very great seducer or people like Duke of Wellington. But they were great people, they are the milestones of our creation and not these who just arbitrarily behave without understanding the universal nature that is within us. May God bless you all! Let us have some meditation and see how it works out for all of you. If you have any questions, anyone of you please ask, any questions are there, we will do for five minutes, not much time is to be wasted on questioning. Have to take out your shoes. (The following is a translation into English of a small section of the talk where Mother spoke in Hindi.) How are you? Body shakes in front of Me. Your Guruji Maharaj, God save you from him! Each one is… Keep your eyes open. Are you feeling the cool breeze, little? How are you all? Okay. (Talk continued in English.) Who are the new people today, absolutely new? Now… Who else is? Man: This lady’s for the first time. Shri Mataji: You are also for the first time? You had come earlier. Lady: Yes, from Birmingham. Bala asked You. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. May God bless you. She’s already got realization. Bala is a great Sahaj Yogi he is, must say. He started his work in Birmingham and he has given realization to so many people. And he just can’t understand how, by raising Kundalini, how he’s being able to give realization to people, how it is working! Every one of you can do it, those who are realized. But some people have courage like Bala, who has just taken up upon himself, and even these two gentlemen’s friend Subramanyam. He came to see Me in Bombay, [no] in Delhi, just to – he was driving a car to drop some people and he came to see Me, got his realization. As today he’s a very great Sahaj Yogi, in Delhi he has cured so many people and he is doing such a lot of work. So, it is only for the Sahaj Yogis to take upon themselves. See those who take up, they can work it out very well, it’s not difficult. All of you are enlightened and you all can do great work. It’s what I was wondering, that I have not seen her before and how she is realized! Lady with German accent: I’ve searched for the truth for so long. I know the truth is in you, I know that, without any – I read this paper (unclear), and I knew immediately. And in thirty-three years I have searched for someone who really speaks the truth and doesn’t bend the truth, and you don’t find those, Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s why you find it, also. If you accept something as truth and you linger on it, then it is a wrong thing, you see? And then what happens, that you are identified with it, and it’s very difficult because these misidentifications cannot drop out. You have to give up this misidentification, then only the truth comes within you. And truth is the most joy giving thing, I mean it is joy, truth is joy and that’s beauty, sat-chit-ananda. It is not a harsh thing. Truth is not harsh. People think truth means harsh stuff, no it is not, it’s the most beautiful thing. It’s the most delicate thing, it’s a very subtle thing, and it’s the most joy-giving thing. It’s the truth that when it ripples, you see when it pulsates, then you get the joy. The pulsation of truth is joy. It’s not harsh, it’s extremely kind, compassion. Love of God is truth. They say, “God is love, and love is God,” but people don’t understand what does that mean! Do you have any questions? Is there any question? You have come for the first time? Man. Mmm. Shri Mataji: You, you can come forward here. I would like to see you. Who else is there? Come along, come along. What’s the matter? Hmm? There’s one space here. Please be seated. Sit there. (Mother asks a question in Hindi.) Now put your hands like this, just like this. With comfort. Don’t strain yourself, just put it like this, just like that. Is nothing to be done much. Truth is silent, it doesn’t speak, it just works. Start getting cool breeze in your hand and go into meditation with that. Breeze-like thing. Those who cannot close their eyes properly must keep their eyes open. If you can close them nicely without any difficulty, without any flickering, then it’s all right, that means you are all right. But in case there is any flickering in the eyes then keep them open. They shake sometimes, quite a lot, before Me. Are you feeling the coolness in your hands? Are you feeling the coolness? Open your palm, open your eyes. Don’t close your eyes. …[Inaudible]. Sit with your hands open. You must feel the coolness in your hands. …there’s a cool breeze-like thing should come in the hand. If it is not coming, you don’t worry, it will work out. It’s coming? That’s good, that’s good. (In Hindi: Yes, it is coming. It will start coming slowly.) (Mother asks someone in Hindi.) What about you? You have some problem; it will become all right. It will come. How are you now? Okay. Are you feeling the coolness in your hands? No not yet. You come in the front, someone will see. Doctor, you sit here. (In English.) Just sit down. We’ll see. Keep your right hand on your heart. His back with… Heart, on the… right hand on the heart, yes. Put your hand on his back just rub it a bit. (In Hindi.) Do you have a guru? Audience: No. I don’t have any. Mother: Look here. Are you a devotee of Devi? No. Do you worship Durgaji? Do you worship Durgaji? Who do you worship? Vishnu. Vishnu is also like the Sun God. Whether you worship or not … (Inaudible) Come sit here. How are you Sardarji? Ok. That’s it you have become fine. What have you got to do? Yes, now your mother has also started looking nice. Come here and sit. Come and sit. Come sit in the front, move your hand, straighten both your legs. (Inaudible. Conversation.) That he has a problem, the whole right there. Hmm. Just like this. You put a little pressure there. Hmm. Now it’s done, can you feel it? (Conversation in Marathi.) The heat has to go out, too much heat he has…[Inaudible. ] Don’t keep your eyes closed. So how are you feeling? So, how’s the lady? (NOTE: The transcriber was not able to understand and complete about 7-10 minutes of the talk in Hindi towards the end of the talk.) Shri Mataji in English: Very hot. Just imagine, he’s feeling cold and he’s feeling hot. See before he was not. Both of them of the same thing they have come together, but he had a problem, you see? (Unclear words) was heating on his body into you. Now that’s the reason and I told you that’s a wrong thing, eh? And he’s just looking and he said, “Is he?” It’s a kind of a disease he’s got. Better now? Man: I was feeling from You going down. Shri Mataji: Yes, the heat has to go out, you see. Too much heat you have within you. That is what it is. Rub his back. Want some water? How is he? Lady: He’s very good. Shri Mataji: He said “Yes” to Me last week last week, ha? Last week. Problem is… Let her sit there. Just put her left hand like this. Just tell him to move like that. Don’t keep your eyes closed. All right? Keep them open and then pay attention on My feet, you can (indistinct) for a while. So how is the lady? Oh! Oh, she is very normal now. Isn’t she? How are you? You are finally normal now, much better, much relaxed. (Indistinct.) What about you, how are you now, are you better? Better? You don’t need that feeling now. (Indistinct.) So how is it but how are your parents? Did you go and see them? Lady: Not yet. (Indistinct.) Shri Mataji: You can’t really work on her? How are you? You’re all right. (NOTE: There’s about 7-10 mins towards the end of the talk which the transcriber has not been able to understand and complete.)

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Old title: Becoming Registered as a Charity 1978, London (Audio 1978-000-3) HH Shri Mataji Nirmal Devi, Public Meeting No.2, Caxton Hall, London, UK, 1978-10-30_TO1 (HH Shri Mataji speaking informally, greeting people and speaking to yogis: All those who have come for the first time, please come and sit here, all right? As much as possible, closer, and then…he’s your friend? Good. You can come here.) (Speaks in Hindi) Today I will give again a little gist about Kundalini because they have come for the first time, these people, so I think I should tell about Kundalini. These people are experts now, about Kundalini. If you show this diagram to a doctor or someone or a scientist, they will say, "What sort of a thing it is?" And, whether there’s something like this or I’m just telling about some sort of an imaginary thing within us. One cannot see these things within us, which is, they are placed in the spinal cord because they are actually energy areas. These are the areas from where the energy is emitted, a kind of an energy. Because we cannot see them, we do not know that they exist but their manifestation we can see. For example, the doctors can’t say what has evolved us from amoeba to this stage. They cannot give an explanation as to why did we become human beings. What is the part of our brain, which carries all this instrument, that we evolved ourselves from amoebas to this stage and then, why have we evolved? Why we were made human beings? What is the purpose of nature to make human beings out of us? This cannot be explained by doctors. Scientists cannot say why so many things happen and, how there is gravity in the Earth. How is it that so many things are moving with such a speed and there is no collision? Now a time has come for many scientists to believe that there is some sort of a power, which is beyond human comprehension, which is all-powerful and which works, in such a manner that we cannot see the working of it but we can feel it. Now, we have to know that if we were complete, if we had fulfilled our vision from amoeba to human stage, if human stage was the last and the supreme thing then we would have given answers to all the questions. But we have not been able to do so. Why? That means we are not yet complete. We haven’t yet found out our fulfilment. We do not know why we are created like this, what are we supposed to do, what is our aim, what is the aim of the nature? But when we cannot explain something, we go on probing into it through science, through various ways of human enterprise you can say, the way we want to find out things but human being, being a rational being and his thinking capacity being limited, there are certain things we cannot understand, we cannot transcend. This is a problem, which we are facing today. We are feeling quite lost. You can see the result of this: that people are talking about the destruction of the world. There are many people who are prophesising that the destruction of the world is coming on. We are all going to be destroyed. This comes out of insecurity within human beings because they cannot give answers to many things. They cannot explain why so many things happened which they cannot control. There are so many things that are beyond them. But there is another way of moving about it. One way the knowledge can come from outside probing into everything. As I said, if you want to know about the tree you can start counting the leaves, you can start counting the thorns, you can start seeing a flower under the mic(roscope) but it could be that you can enter into the sap of the tree from inside and you arrive at the outside. That’s another way of going into it. As I have told many-a-times that in this room if you have come in and if it is dark you can understand about it by probing into smaller spaces. Say, there’s a chair, all right, there’s a chair here and there’s this and there’s that, and gradually you can feel whatever is placed in this room but still you do not get the complete picture and, you do not know how to relate to things and, you do not know how to make a complete integrated picture of these findings. But there could be a method by which you can just put on the light by which you see everything at the same time. This one is known as Enlightenment. Now, the scriptures have talked about enlightenment. Christ has said that you are to be reborn again. Every scripture has said that you have to be reborn, that you have to be self-realised, that you have to know your Self. There is Self within you, there is Spirit within you. There is Atma within you. Everyone has said that. Those who have read even an ordinary religious book can know this and those who have read a, a very intellectual and a very proving book also can see that they are always talking about a breakthrough. We have to break through! Surprisingly, in the modern times, they’re having such an absurd or we can say, such a manifestation of seeking. It was never so before that every person you come across says, "Oh, I am seeking." Except for very, very gross people, everyone says that, "I am a seeker. I am seeking." But if you ask them, "What are you seeking?", perhaps they do not know, they are confused about it. They are not sure what they are seeking or perhaps that whatever they have read or whatever they have understood they have their own conceptions about those things. But, if truth exists beyond our comprehension that we are not conscious of, then truth has to be as it is. We cannot comprehend it, not only that but we cannot organise it. We cannot command it. We have to accept it, accept-it-as-it-is. We cannot say that this should be the truth – "Oh, I expect the truth should be like this. I expected it should have!" Now, when I present before you a case or any hypothesis, as a scientist what you have to do is to listen to Me, open your minds out, not to close them. If you are a scientist, you must to keep your minds open. If you are not a scientist, of course then you are dogmatic; I cannot help. But, if you are a scientist, then you must keep your mind opened out. Then when you listen to My hypothesis, then you can experiment with it. Anything that can be experimented with is a scientific thing. You can see for yourself that whatever I’m saying is true or not. If it is scientifically proven, means that if you see with your own eyes and if you can see the results of it, then you have to believe. But if you just said at the very outset, say, "No, no, no, no, how can we believe?", then how can I proceed, what am I to do? That would be just shutting your Self away from the reality. So, this is how it has to work: in any seeking, in any findings, a person has to be an open-minded person. Maybe, what he seeks may-not-be what he has so far conceived as truth. May not be at all! Maybe something very different but he should be prepared because he is a "seeker of truth" and he doesn’t want falsehood. When he finds the truth, then he has to say, "Yes, it is so" and has to accept it. So, second point for a scientist is that he should not be identified with something about which he does not know. That is called as Misidentification. Supposing say, you are an Indian and some Indian has said XYZ, so you are identified with that idea then you are not a scientist. A scientist has to be above all these things and he has to have a very, very open mind to see that the truth that he sees has to be what-it-is. What others have told you, what others have talked about [to] you, or what you have known so far, or because your father has told you, because in the country such and such person says, all these things are Misidentifications. So, a person who is courageous like that or I would say, a person who is standing on his own feet to face the truth, they only see but who believes into somebody else’s things and somebody else’s ideas, such a person, why should he be believed? Why should he be believed to, or I should say why should he be exposed to truth because truth also has its own protocol. Because Truth is also Love, absolute Love and it will not be exposed to those who cannot fix it. It’s not a jarring thing. It’s a beautiful thing. It’s extremely beautiful. The truth is that what you have so far known as your self is not your Self. There is something beyond you. There is something, which is, we call as Spirit and this Spirit exists within you. But you have yet not felt the existence of this Spirit. This is the truth I propose before you. Is the truth what I say, as a hypothesis, as a hypothesis and not being aggressive about it. I’m just saying it’s a hypothesis before you and let us see if it is so; with this open mind for a start and then we have to go further. How do we do it? I say that it cannot be done through your rationality. You have reached your stage of your development now. Rationality has to be left behind. For example, to come to this hall you had to come in your car but you had to leave your car there, to get inside. Supposing if it is something subtler than your rationality can pick up, so how do we do it? So, we go in the other way that so far we have become human beings without knowing anything about it. What did we do? Did we stand on our, our heads or did we do anything about it? What does a tree do to become a tree from a seed? It does nothing! It’s a spontaneous happening done by the nature. Nature does it by itself. The tree grows by itself. You cannot do anything about it except for giving some water to it, perhaps, looking after it, catering it, allowing it to grow but you cannot make it sprout. The seed sprouts by itself. So, if you move in this way, then we will realise that whatever so far has happened to us, whatever transformation has taken place in us, in becoming human beings, in our evolution has happened spontaneously. We had no brain. So, whatever we have, has to happen further, for our evolution, if we have to go further on, if we are not complete, then it has to happen and it will happen spontaneously. When we say it will happen spontaneously then one may say then how to do it? Again, the same question! You are not going to do it. It has to work out spontaneously. Like a lamp now, here, you can see all these lights. If they were out and there was no light, one enlightened light could enlighten all of them. Now, what did the light do? Nothing! It was a catalyst. It just touched the other thing, which was ready and it got enlightened. It touched the other thing, it got enlightened. In the same way our evolution is going to take place. Somebody who is evolved – like one fish came out of the water, felt the land and became the reptile, then many came, and then many (more) came, and then shoals of the fishes came. In the same way, it’s going to happen to you. Even in science if you find out, say if you discover electricity, one person knows about it then he tells ten people, they experiment with it and then the whole world knows about it. In the same way our evolution is going to work out. So, first thing is that it is a spontaneous happening. Now, there must be something within us to bring forth that spontaneous happening. There must be something that works it out, like in the seed there’s a premule, the germinating part of the seed is the premule. So, as in the seed there is a premule, there has to be something in us also waiting to do this job of our further evolution, where all the Saints, all the Incarnations, all the great people had talked about it, is our heritage. They were not mad people! They never told us lies. Did they? How can you say they told us lies unless and until you have verified, until and unless you have found out that we can do this rebirth work? This happening is, as I said, is spontaneous. Now, what is the thing within us that brings forth? Now, I say, as a hypothesis again, it is a hypothesis, which I put forward before you, is this that within us is placed this kind of a mechanism. This is not in all details because that will confuse you but it is, I should say, the basic things are placed there and these are the energy areas, which are placed within our spinal cord in this fashion [i.e., as per the Chart of Subtle System] and you can see that germinating force sleeping there, in that pink area. That germinating force only brings forth this happening. It rises through the various, various forces or we can say the various centres and opens out that portion by which you enter into that subtle area of consciousness by which you enter, through your Parasympathetic Nervous System into the Central Nervous System. You start feeling, the Central Nervous System starts feeling the Parasympathetic. Now it’s a very complicated thing and can only be understood by doctors, what is Parasympathetic and the Sympathetic System. But Sympathetic System is that system by which we attend to our emergencies and Parasympathetic is that system which is autonomous, works on its own and it gives Harmony and Balance within us. So, it so happens that the Autonomous Nervous System, which we do not know what, how it works, it’s an 'auto-nomous', means it works on its own. Who is this 'Auto'? Who works our heart? Who works our digestion? Who, who gives all these ideas to our brain? That System suddenly becomes known to our Central Nervous System that means, we become Conscious of it. This is the Happening. Once this happens then you start feeling Collectively Conscious. This is the Subtle Happening, that you start feeling about everyone. Now, this happening of this rising you can see with your naked eyes, in so many people, not in everyone. But, in so many people you can see that there is a pulsation in that area of triangular bone that cannot pulsate otherwise. You can also, with a stethoscope can feel the rising. If you want to feel you can really feel the rising of the thing. You can hear, (Shri Mataji makes a sound that is like a burst of wind forced through a narrow tunnel) the sounds, hard sounds while the Kundalini moves. Clearly you can see. When the Kundalini rises, the person in whom the Kundalini rises, suddenly becomes Thoughtlessly Aware. He’s aware but there is no thought. Such a situation is an impossibility! Nobody can become that even for a second! All thoughts stop and you’ll start seeing that you are in a realm where you are aware of everything, you are listening to Me but no thoughts are coming. At this time Kundalini crosses this point [Agnya Chakra]. When the Kundalini crosses this point, that time, you have really enlightened your Central Nervous System and start feeling in your hands a kind of Vibrations flowing. You can feel the Vibrations flowing. When these Vibrations start flowing you see first a little heat. Some people a lot of heat depending on what sort of a body you have. The heat rises out. The heat is due to the friction you have had so far within yourself, all kinds of extra-energies you have used for emergencies and for your own whims and for your seeking, or whatever it is, maybe you are sick. Then gradually you will find in you, will cool down and from your hand a cool breeze start. It you remember Christ, somebody touched Christ and said, "My energy has flowed from me." It is said that from the body of the Holy Ghost you get the cool breeze coming out. All these scriptures and everything that is said in the scriptures, not only in the Bible but in all of the scriptures of the world, whatever they have said, the time has come that you are to be convinced. But not convinced by just giving you a lecture or a brainwash but by an actual happening, by a complete seeing of it, scientifical. Now when the Kundalini passes over, the eyes become dilated just like a child’s eyes. Some people can’t see for a second also and then Kundalini rises and you feel absolutely fine. Now with some of you, you must have definitely read some description of Kundalini, I’m sure. I must say I was shocked to hear what these people have to say about it because they have described Kundalini to be a some sort of a hot tempered lady or some sort of a terrible force that is going to ruin you and is a dangerous thing, if anybody has read about Kundalini – that’s why we never put our name as Kundalini Yoga because nobody would come near Me. But so far now, we have had thousands of people with us. We have never seen such things happening to anyone. On the contrary, people become so peaceful and so far – and so joyous, and the joy is so much that some people when they get it, they do not know how to express that joy, they laugh! The complete integration takes place but as I said, we have problems. It is a very subtle happening. It has never happened like this, so much en-masse, I don’t think so but the time has come! The Blossom Time has come so it is happening in that way and it should happen. But if it happens, you are not going to deny it because it has happened! There are many psychologists who give reasons. I see people that even if they get it they deny it. (Shri Mataji laughs.) They deny it at the beginning. That’s human beings! Perhaps they think how are they worthy of it, how could they get it? There are many instances. They get it, they do have it but then they loose it. They start doubting about it because it is the Awareness, it is the last energy that thinks, that understands, that has its own things, it has its own protocol. It’s a living energy, integrated energy. Some people loose it because they have certain problems within them but it comes back again, it works. For example, in the very rush of it, in the first rush of it comes, it hits the Fontanelle bone. The Baptism takes place. It gives you the experience but then again it goes down. If you are sick it caters to your sickness, if there is any other mental problem, it caters to that. Now here there might be at least 50% people who were physically sick, maybe 25% people who are mentally sick, absolutely somewhere from lunatic asylum, and they are absolutely cured of their problems. So, what happens? When the Kundalini rises, She integrates all these centres and then She gives the balance. The power that is being exhausted by the Sympathetic is again refilled. So, by that first of all your body, your physical being, your emotional being and your spiritual being is completely soothed. But then you become Collectively Conscious. Immediately you do. It’s a happening at such a rate that is a real work; you really become something else. Collectively conscious means that you immediately you can start feeling others on the fingers, you start feeling the different centres that are there. Now, all these I can decode and you can find out for yourself. For example, if somebody is suffering with a, say, with a cold and throat trouble, (inaudible), you ask the person, "Are you suffering from this?" Supposing the spark is here, you ask the person is your father suffering, they will say yes. Many people say how do you know that I have got liver trouble, because there is heat here in My hand. It suggests, is the Kundalini suggests that there is liver. All these centres, which is accepted by doctors, that the Sympathetic Nervous System is expressed but they do not know what centres are there, how they are expressed, what is the manifestation, all the details they do not know. Certain things they do but they do not from where they come. So, when you start feeling all these centres you start understanding that what is the problem. So, you not see what dress he’s picked or what personality, or what sort of a job he is coming (from), whether he is a king, queen or a beggar. You are not bothered. What you are bothered about are the centres of the person. So immediately you say, "All right, this is catching, that is catching, that is catching." Now, if you give vibrations there from your hand you can fulfil that plan of Kundalini Awakening. It is so simple that even a child of two years can do that. We have seen that, a child of two years old because if they are born realised, then if they are born with the knowledge of Kundalini, they can do it; two-year-old child can do this. If you put our ten children here and close their eyes and put one person before them and then ask them, "What’s the matter?", they will raise the same finger. This is the meaning, that something is wrong with his father. His father relationship is not all right. If this is so, the mother relationship, only in the heart, there’s something wrong with the heart chakra. And it is amazing to see these children, how they work it out. Immediately they will get out the patient and they will work it out. They will say, "Here is the problem, here is the blockage, now see, raise it" and they can cure because they can feel it within themselves. It is a subjective knowledge, as you can feel the smell, say the dirty smell. Human beings can smell; animals cannot smell. You don’t have to tell your child that there is a dirty smell, he immediately puts his hands to his nose and says, "Oh, it’s horrible smell!" Everybody feels, which is our subjective knowledge. In the same way, this becomes our subjective knowledge. Some of them have to put their hands towards the patient but some of them don’t have to put. They just can do like that. But, you do not suffer with it. You just see it because you become a witness. Then you call, "Oh, how do you know Mr. So and So," Like that. You become a third person, you start seeing, "How I behave" and then your colossal ego that is there and, then you say, "Look at this Mr. Ego of mine is trying to suggests me." And then you also see the possessions that are within you, also see the ideas that have come to you through falsehood, through reading the books that are false. You see all those things so clearly and then you can cleanse it out. Instead of going into the details and names and things and all that, I would suggest that they have got some, "Have you got or not?" Those who are interested can get it from these people, the names of the chakras and all that. That is that those names are in the Sanskrit language. But all these centres are expressed or manifested outside as plexuses, in the gross, which we know the names in English language. But, that doesn’t mean that if it is Sanskrit it becomes an Indian stuff, it is not. Because, in those days, in India, people had lot of time and they discovered so they gave it in Sanskrit. If they were Englishmen they would have given in English language. As you have found out something about science you have given it English names. In the same way, whatever they found out in India they have given it Sanskrit names because that was the language available at that time. It is not an Indian stuff, an Indian stuff as such but the findings were in India. Because it was discovered in India one should not, sort of, shut it out. But there have been also, the other side people those who have had no knowledge but just heard something they tried to make huge big books. I have seen such huge big books and all falsehood. I was amazed. How can they do it? They write about Mandalas and they write about this and they write about that. All kinds of things they have written without even, without even understanding that whatever is written so far has all falsehood. There is no way of knowing how they have written these false things. I just cannot understand because this is after all is subjective knowledge and you can write whatever you please? Who is going to ask you who is the authority of that? And all such books naturally find their way to your places because they want money. Wherever is the cash, they go there. First, they went to America, then Germany then to England and to all the places wherever they have cash. Where they can cash it and can get money. And people think, "Oh, that is such a great thing, such a great thing" and buy it and spend such a lot of money. It’s a sad thing that human beings think they can buy everything. They cannot. Subjective knowledge has to be achieved. Has to manifest itself. You cannot, if you cannot feel what is hot and what is cold. By giving money you cannot feel it. It happens to you because it is within you. It is all built in you. It is like a living computer within you, which is just put to the mains and it just starts working. But if you think you can purchase it, you cannot. You can think about it, you cannot. It is a happening. It is something that happens within you by which your Consciousness becomes a Collective Consciousness. It comes into your Conscious-being the Unconscious. This is a happening and not a, just a rational working. Any saint, you can say, Kabira Das or it can be said Nanaka, any saint you read, Kahlil Gibran or any saint, whosoever has lived, if you ask him, "How do you do it? How it is?", He will say, "I cannot say. You see I’ve become dumb." How do you ask a dumb person what is the taste of the jaggery [made from sugarcane and date palm] of a sugar? How can a dumb person say, "I become dumb"? Because the thing is, it is a happening! It happens within you. You cannot describe it but it just happens within you. You can see it happens. This is the breakthrough which was historically, was described, from the time of Socrates it started. He said that you have to seek. Everyone has said and today the time has come for it to happen. But as I said, it is a very subtle thing. It is not like, I say, "All right, this is the toothbrush and you have it, brush yourself and you have face sparkling." It is not like that. It’s not a quick thing but it happens like a jet, no doubt, but it has to settle down. It takes time to settle down and then you have to know how to do it because the knowledge about yourself also comes into you. You can see your own chakras. You can see this is the chakra catching. You’ll find. Now they will say, "Mother, my Agnya is catching, my this-thing is catching, my Nabhi is catching." They will come and tell Me. You yourself start seeing your Self like, if you are in the car, you cannot see the car. Supposing if you get out of the car then you can see it clearly then you can repair it. Sitting in the car you cannot repair. So, when you see your Self, you can repair it. This is the method, which is a very quick method I would say and can be en-masse. We had another method that people used which is called as Hatha Yoga in which first they thought, "Why not start with the cleansing of it. Start it from the very beginning. The basis and everything, and built it up very nicely and then enlighten your Self." But it takes too much time. Thousands of years people have spent, from one life to another life they have worked like that building up themselves gradually, keeping themselves aloof from the society. This Hatha Yoga that, these days you practice is all absolutely rumble-tum. It’s nothing but only all physical side of it, which is very, very imbalanced and wrong but what I was talking about, the Hatha Yoga that they did, in the forest. In the forest they used to go and live a celibate life, completely dedicated life and there they used to achieve this cleansing first of all and then the enlightenment. But Sahaja Yoga is a system first you achieve it, just get into it and then you cleanse yourself, you understand your Self and cleanse your Self and, it goes up to the roots, it completely changes you. That is why it is a living process. Supposing something has gone wrong with this building at the foundation, you cannot change it because it is a dead thing. But a tree, if it is spoilt even at the roots, we can change it. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga completely transforms you, then the manifestation of the Spirit starts and the manifestation of Spirit is this, what we call in Sanskrit, what is called as spunNa [sphuraNa] and that in English is 'throb'. It throbs in the heart. The throbbing in the heart is called as Anahata, it means it is without percussion. It throbs. That is why it is called as Anahata and that throbbing starts flowing from here. You can feel that pulsation. And with this pulsation you become absolutely hollow and you see the working of the dynamic force and, you are amazed that there are already all kinds of telecommunications and all kinds of tremendous things already built. You are unnecessarily worried and carrying the load, like sometimes as I say, that people sitting in the aeroplane, they are told not to carry too much load so they put it on their heads. In the same way we are putting the load on our heads and that whole thing falls down, so-call tension, everything goes down. Now again as I have said many-a-times, again I have to proclaim that cancer is one disease that cannot be cured but for Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is the only thing that is going to cure cancer and that is the challenge because Sahaja Yoga gives the balance to the Sympathetic. An over activity of the Sympathetic causes it, by any means, which can be due to some infection, can be due to anything. Over activity of the Sympathetic Nervous causes cancer and to neutralise that thing we have to activate the Parasympathetic. If you know how to do it; we have done it. But for doctors it is very difficult to believe in God! They can believe in their stethoscopes but not in God. One step forward you have to come. One step forward – that there is God. Not there is only God but He has many aspects and He has incarnated many-a-times on this Earth and, He has tried to save us. And He is the one who has given us these, as one of them was Christ who incarnated on this Earth and there are many other incarnations who came on this Earth to give us guidelines and they are all built in us like the milestones, they are within us. They demarcate our different periods of evolution and when it comes to our final mode, they all help us and they are the people who are dominating all this, or are bestowing upon these different centres which are having their energy in. They are all there. But, if you tell a doctor that, "You have to take the name of Christ if you have to get rid of this problem", they’ll say, "What? Take the name of Christ?" They can’t believe it. If you say that, "Yes, you have to say the Lord’s Prayer for this otherwise you cannot be all right", they’ll say, "How can we believe that you have to say the Lord’s Prayer for this, it’s an impossibility!" Then you say that, "I’m sorry then I cannot cure you, you have to take that name otherwise it is impossible." If they have to get cured, they have to take their names. That is what is known as Mantra. That is what is known as a chant, that you have to awaken these different deities within you, in your Self. That is only possible if you are authorised, it means you are a Realised Soul and that if and when you are connected with that Divine All Pervading Power. Then only you can do it. Only by saying some mantras you are not going to get there. Like the other day somebody had a discussion that, "What is wrong within a mantra?" I said there is a science. Anybody gives you a mantra. Anybody can give you; even a donkey can tell you a mantra. Why do you need a guru for it? But, does he understand what’s wrong with you? Does he understand where are the chakras? You cannot give one mantra to somebody because the Kundalini moves. It moves from chakras to chakras. The person, does he know where the Kundalini is? What mantra is he giving you? Say the mantra is given for the lower chakras and the Kundalini is standing there, what is the use? There’s a science. They give one mantra and everybody is chanting that. Maybe that the name that is given to them is not of God but maybe of some devil! How can you fall for calling God without having any authority about it? You cannot just sit down, "All right, Jesus, come along" and there, "Jesus, oh, let me help the child!" Why should He? Where is your respect for God? How will he come to you? We expect God to stand, we see all the time giving Him orders. Very demanding we are, "I must have a job, my child must be all right, my wife must be all right, my father must get his property and the other person is having troubling things entering the country, so, God, help him also. And, we are waging a war against another country, so God help me there." Poor God must be thinking what sort of these human beings are? So, it is necessary that we should understand Him in His full way and that you can understand through this knowledge and a rapport is established. How do you know there is God? How do we say there is God? All right, somebody has said, why should we believe whether there is God or not? Then what happens? As I have said your computer starts working. If you ask, "Is there God?", immediately your vibrations start, "Yes!" If you ask about XYZ, "Is he a real man, a guru?", immediately the vibrations stop, stop and you start getting tingling or heat, "Oh God, throw him away!" Automatically it happens. All the Absolute Truths you can find out through your vibrations as they have been described since long time back. They are described in the Upanishadas, they are described in the Vedas; they are described in the later time when Shankaracharya came in. They are described by Buddha, they are described by Mahavira; they are described by all the people; they are described by Christ, by Mohammed Sahib. In Namaz that Mohammed Sahib taught was nothing else but Kundalini Awakening. Now if you tell the Muslims they’ll cut my throat for it. Absolutely that! He never taught them to fight. And the Sikhs were taught by the same person Nanaka; and Mohammed Sahib and Nanaka they were the same people, we can prove it through Kundalini. They were the same people but the Sikhs and the Muslims are fighting, and what he told them not to drink, they are doing. So, you see there are so many things like that. It is very confusing. If you go to a church, you see a priest, he is telling one thing and then another thing. You can’t believe. How can there be God? Organized religions give you such a fright; you just don’t understand. Then you go to another place, say, to an Indian temple where they are selling ganja [cannabis]. What? At a temple they are selling ganja? These are not godly people. These are all satanic. They have captured all these places and are selling God. They are not divine. But because they are there that does not mean God does not exist. He exists! It’s only for us to open out ourselves. It will happen but the truth has to come. But it sounds very fantastic! Absolutely fantastic! And when it happens, it is so fantastic that people just don’t believe in it. But believe in this, that the time has come and that you are the people, the very specially chosen ones. Why do you under-estimate yourself? Maybe you are the people chosen for this by God so you have to have a very calm attitude towards yourself, a very open attitude and a co-operative attitude. If you are not cooperative you see I cannot garland you. I say, "All right, you are realized." See, you cannot give a person a false certificate. If my daughter is not realized I cannot help. If she’s not, she’s not! You cannot force somebody. You cannot give a false certificate about it. It has to happen within you and when this happening takes place then there is no doubt about – they do not start doubting. (End recording-1/2) HH Shri Mataji Nirmal Devi, Public Meeting No.2, Caxton Hall, London, UK, 1978-10-30_TO2 And, because you see the Sympathetic System is here and here, it passes and it is propelled into your being as vibrations and the Kundalini is invited and She rises spontaneously because I’m an enlightened person, that’s why it happens to you. Tomorrow you will be an enlightened person and then you can do it also. Now all these people are doing. In the same way you can do. You will be amazed! With your finger you can see the Kundalini rising. You will be amazed at yourself and then you say, "Mother, how can it be? How can I have these powers?" You have these powers! What do you think? You are a Human Being. You are above all the creatures, all the stars, all, everything that is created; you are above that. Have you known, how complicated and how beautiful you are made? Even if you take one eye, you’ll be amazed at how things are done. Such a beautiful thing is created just for a waste of it? Do not underestimate yourself. I, again and again, tell you because this I have seen is common reaction among you. Even when it happens, they will just run away, after three months they will come, "Mother what to do, we’ve lost all our vibrations." Don’t do that! You have to get into it. It is a deeper thing and it’s a very, very subtle thing. You have to be attentive about it and it has to be respected. And once it happens, it’s a tremendous thing. Now, our, these boys who have been with Me and girls who have been with Me, within this short time they know such a lot about it that you see, they find it difficult to talk to others. And whenever people ask for an article or anything, whatever they write, they say, "It’s going on in our heads, we don’t know what we are talking about." And that has happened with all the Incarnations, so they crucified them, they murdered them, they poisoned them because everything went over their heads. They couldn’t understand what these people are talking. All of them were tortured. Perhaps I know their language, in the way that I hope, I think I can talk about it and try to tell you what it is to begin with, and the time has come for you to get it. Once it is an en-masse phenomena then it will be accepted by everyone and you will understand. Now you will understand once it happens to you. Not by reading but by happening it will, you will immediately know what was it they were talking about. Now for the last five years I have been talking and the knowledge has been going on and on and every time these people, they say, "Mother why not you say something new?" So, you can imagine such an ocean, such an ocean that you have to know. And by God’s Grace, I hope it will work out for the new people and that they will settle down with it, and will make it as their own. In Sahaja Yoga, now because you know such a lot about yoga perhaps this may sound a little new to you, these words – Sa-ha-ja – but all the yogas end up at the Union of your Being with your Attention. For example, you are listening to Me just now and your Attention is inside-out in the sense that you are watching Me outside. But if I say that you take your Attention from outside and put it inside from where you are listening to Me, can you do it? You can’t! This Attention goes outside of the Human Beings and that is the problem that we cannot take our Attention inside. That is the reason why our union with our Self is not established already. And, it has to be established! If you realise that there is someone within us who is watching us all the time, who is noticing everything that we do; the one who is inside us and the one which looks outside but we cannot go to that personality or that entity or that Being – there is a gap between us and that personality. That personality is called in the various scriptures as Spirit, as Atma. People have talked about it and told that we have to manifest our Spirit means our Attention should become one with that Spirit. It has been said by every scripture. Every one of them has talked about us, that once our Attention meets that Spirit that is we are really ourselves, that Self, then we are reborn and that is the Self Realisation. Now those who talked about it and told about it are even till today are respected and listened to. And people do not know that if it is true or not but there is one thing that makes them still believe very clearly because whatever they achieve in life, whatever they get in life they do not feel that they have had their fulfilment. They cannot explain why they are born, why they have achieved this Human personality, from amoeba to this personality why they have come up and what is their fulfilment? Unless and until that state-of-mind comes in, we can never be satisfied about it. The dissatisfaction can be expressed or manifested by many other things, which we see in everyday life. For modern people, say of the Western life, we know there are tensions, there are all kinds of problems as you can call them. Nobody seems to be happy with ones-Self because the Self has not yet manifested. This is a fact! Now this is a fact from the scriptures but we have to also see the scientific part of it because modern man is more sort of, influenced by science than by scriptures. Some of them have even discarded the scriptures saying this is all nonsense, it is all mythical, superstition, we should not believe in it, it is all absolutely false. So, the time has come for us to see and find out and experiment – whether what they have said is true or false. Whether they tried to befool us or there is truth in it or not! But we must see it scientifically. But the trouble with Human Beings, I have seen, is this: that spiritually when somebody says something they do not question anything about it and just accept it as it is! And because of this kind of hankering and deep search within us, people have committed mistakes, which you will realise gradually when you will experiment with your Self. Now, as a scientist we have to approach this subject in a very open way, very open-mindedness. A scientist has to keep his mind open because he’s groping in the dark. He doesn’t know what is in this room: he comes in dark conditions, he touches some parts and he says, "This is this, this is this, this is this." But he is not sure whether it is this or a little more or a little less, how it is integrated, how it is built-in, how it is positioned compared to each other. He has no idea so he keeps his mind absolutely open. So, first thing we have to do is to keep our minds open. Absolutely open! At this time when I say something you are not to accept Me also but you have not to deny Me. The hypothesis that I put before you, whether it is true or not, is to be verified by you. But you should not build up a barrier because it is a Happening that takes place. And, that Happening will not take place if you have such barriers in your mind. It’s a very Subtle Happening. It’s a very, very Beautiful Happening. But for that Subtle Happening, the atmosphere has to be within yourself such that you are open, absolutely open and you allow yourself to be engulfed into that experiment. Now this is a hypothesis and this is what I’m going to put forward before you: that the body that we see here is not the end of man, this body is not everything that you know very well. We have got apart from this body, our mental capacities, apart from that we have got our emotional capacities and also we have spiritual capacity otherwise how will we hanker after this search of the unknown? There must be something within us, which makes us go and find what is beyond, what is there. So, the hypothesis here is – it's too low for some people, I don’t know if they can see? Raise it. Can you see here? – Now, the hypothesis is like this: that the undercurrents of energies that work in our being are three: one, two and three, and the fourth one is the outcome of the activity of these things. So, we have got four energies within us working. Now, the one I am saying, whatever we achieved is our Central Nervous System. For example, an amoeba becomes a Human Being, so whatever he has achieved in his evolution is manifested in his Central Nervous System. So, the Human Beings, whatever they have achieved in their evolution is manifested in their Central Nervous System. But, these three systems that we have got here, you can see them clearly, have got three channels: one, two and three. Now, the first channel that is here in the Human Beings as I have shown you, this one, is for the existence of Matter, is for the existence of Man. This energy gives you the power to exist and when this energy is withdrawn then the destruction takes place and a person dies. So, this is the energy, which we can call as the Existence of Lower Aspects, which gives us this energy to exist. Now, when I say God, then immediately you will become unscientific. But just for hypothesis, we do not mind having Him there, you see? So, we can say that this Aspect of Existence, that He has to exist and that aspect of God is expressed in the Human Beings in this way. Now the other aspects of God which is created by which He has created universes after universes, by which He has created this world and by which He has created all the five elements to create this Earth, and the Air and Sun and all these Stars; which are actually representing our physical being and our mental being. So this one, is the One, is the Existence, is the Desire to Exist and that’s why this is the emotional side or the emotional energy that exists within us, which sustains our Emotional side. So, the left side is the Emotional side and the right side is our Physical and our Mental capacities. Now the Central one, the one in the centre here, which you see here clearly, is the one, which is the Evolutionary [process – Parasympathetic canal]. By this third energy we evolved. Why not? The scientists ask themselves, "How do we evolve? How a little amoeba became a human being?" Then the second question should be, "Why?" These two questions, we can answer in Sahaja. This Evolutionary process has shown here the development of human being, of evolution, as far as it is shown in the picture. Actually, it is even higher as far as the Channel is concerned. But these centres are also created in the Human Being, which you can see are seven in number: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. But these centres are the basic seven centres. There are many more. Now, these centres are representing the forces on which all these act – this acts into here, this acts into here and this is also acting. These centres are in the Subtle form, are placed, below this are placed and in our Spinal Cord. And you can, when you come for the programs later on, there are so many more I have seen it, you can see the pulsation on these centres when the Kundalini rises. Now, which is the Kundalini? Is this! Now what is the Kundalini, is here in the pink colour, you can see here. Now what is the Kundalini? Kundalini is a residual force. When the Desire by God, what you call, when the Pingala is created, when a human being becomes a foetus, the remaining energy in that comes our and stays here, into this triangular [bone]. This is the germinating force. This is the one, is the Mother, who gives us the rebirth. This is the instrument God has made within us for our evolution. It has been made. We have been already blessed by God, I call it 'God' but you may call Him 'nature' or everything whatever suits you. By Him, He has very nicely put all these energies within us and through these energies only we get our evolved. Now in the gross – this is the subtle form as I have told you that you cannot see, they exist in the spinal cord – but in the gross outside they are expressed as this one, as the Left Sympathetic Nervous System, this as the Right Sympathetic Nervous System and this one as the Parasympathetic Nervous System. Now the doctors will tell you that they know very, very little about this nervous system, especially they call it Autonomous Nervous System. Now who is this 'auto'? They do not know, they cannot explain but they are very honest, they said, "We cannot say why this is 'auto'." But that’s the best way you can shut up your mind, saying, "This is 'auto', works on its own and we cannot explain it." Now this central one, of course, the Parasympathetic, they say, "We do not know anything about it, not much about it and it is beyond our control." Now, what is beyond your control can be understood this way: that when there is an emergency, supposing we start running fast, then these two can come into play. Supposing say, supposing you are running fast, emotionally you are attached to something and you are running fast for that. Both of them will come into play and the heartbeat will increase but the decrease of the heartbeat or the settling back of the heartbeat is only possible through the manifestation of the Parasympathetic. That, we cannot, we cannot do it. It happens spontaneously within itself. Now the happening that has to take place for our rebirth is that this Kundalini has to rise from here, go through these chakras, these centres, these subtle centres, which are the centres of the energy fields within ourselves and integrate them. Integrate all of them and pass through this place and open them to the subtle energies that are present in the atmosphere, which we call as the All-Pervading Power. This energy rises spontaneously. You cannot force it to rise. There are many here who have seen it pulsating here very much. They have seen also its rising so you can also see after sometime, you will also be able to see. Now, this has to rise. Now, this energy understands, thinks, coordinates. While it is rising, these are our different planes: physical, emotional and all these. It passes through all these planes and gives us a complete integrated personality first of all. Secondly, it gives us a feeling of hollowness. We become absolutely thoughtless within ourselves. There is no thought, which invades us because when it rises it reduces this. And this [left and right sympathetic systems], and these are the two places from where you get the thoughts from. This one is the Ego [right side] and you must have heard about him, Mr. Ego sitting on us, it is very great and colossal, and this is the, another side of it [left side], which we call as the Superego. Now those who are here, psychiatrists know, they must be knowing, this is all because whatever past has been within us, all of our conditionings are here and this is all whatever is our future, and all our dominating nature is there, what we want to dominate. All that is built here. So, the Ego and the Superego both of them, in childhood, if you remember, they close the Fontanelle bone area in the head. When that area is closed, we become Mr. So, Mr. So and Mr. So. You get separated and this I-ness comes into you. That is why we call it [Self Realisation] a Baptism. This is the real Baptism, not that any Dick, Tom and Harry taking the baby and saying, "All right, you are Baptised, you are cured." Baptism is only possible if the person, who is Realised and who knows how to awaken the Kundalini. So, it is undoubtedly proved that it is a spontaneous happening, a living happening, like a germ coming out of a seed. You cannot force it. You cannot rationalise it. It just works out because it has to be! But a person who is already sort of entitled or you can say a lamp which is enlightened or a candle which is enlightened, can enlighten other lamps. It enlightens according to the lamps they are. It doesn’t give them anything, doesn’t take anything from them but enlightens the power that lies within them. In the same way a person who is enlightened can do it but not all enlightened people. Because even if their Kundalini has reached this much, they are not that much enlightened to give Realisation because they do not understand what are the problems. Sometimes the Kundalini may rise or may just get obstructed, may not push through. If you have a liver trouble it won’t push it through. It will just be here and all the time you will find the liver here, the pulsation will be there. If you have some other problem also the Kundalini would be somewhere there, may go down. Some of you have a funny Kundalini, I have seen which rises up and again comes down. You pull it up and again it comes down, goes on forever and ever with something. So, you have problems and this Kundalini is the one, which first nourishes and cleanses all your centres. Like when we have, say, a temple, we have to first clean it before putting the deity in it. In the same way this Kundalini rises. Now for this, what is the scientific proof of this? Scientific proof of this is that you can see with your naked eyes that the pulsation of the Kundalini as it rises. You can see it passing through all this. You can see with your naked eyes. There are many who can say that they have seen and you can feel when it crosses this centre, which is a very important centre, you can feel that a person has become absolutely thoughtlessly aware. When it crosses this point then you feel that the person starts emitting a kind of a cool energy from inside. Maybe, in the beginning it may be hot, it may be a little tingling; that is a sign that there’s something wrong here and here. So, the signs come on your fingers. I don’t know if the doctors have found out or not? They find out many things, which these sages have found out long time back. But, I don’t know if they have found out or not that these fingers, all these fingertips and all these are the endings, the nerve endings of the Sympathetic Nervous System. So, on these fingers you can feel the different chakras being hampered or injured or obstructed. You can feel them on your fingers. When a person who is Realised, he places his hand towards the person who is to be Realised, immediately he will know this is caught up. That means this is the heart, there’s some problem with his mother also and something wrong with his father also. So, when the Kundalini rises it will immediately give sustenance in that part and such a person may find next day that his pace maker is obsolete! Now I have to tell you also that through this method, I have told you many-a-times, again I am telling you that through only Sahaja Yoga that cancer is going to be cured. There’s no other way out. Whether people like it or not that’s the only way cancer is going to be cured. We have cured cancer and we have shown results even in this country. But we are not out to cure people. That’s not the job. That’s nor our job and neither we are interested in the thing otherwise we’ll get hundred cancer patients for Me and I’ll be finished. That’s not the point. The point is we have to create doctors. We have to create the people who are evolved. We have to have people who have achieved their Self Realisation because that is the breakthrough that all of you deserve and you must have it. Without that you can never be happy. You will never feel your fulfilment. Once this happens and then on your fingers you feel the energy flowing and you feel absolutely peaceful within and, absolutely tranquil, all your sleeping problems will go away, your health problems will go away. You will have good health but apart from that you will feel really near the Divine and the Divine starts flowing through you. Because when it opens from all over the Grace starts flowing and you start seeing it, feeling it within you like a beautiful stream is flowing down. And, the whole thing absolutely dissolves into that stream of joy. Now the Spirit that I talked of is in the heart here. It’s not shown here but in the left-hand side of the heart, the Spirit resides. But the Spirit here is actually the manifestation of the deity here of Sadashiva, which is the Spirit here. So, when the Kundalini touches here, this is like a seat and from there the Spirit gets enlightened. And once they get Spirit enlightened these vibrations that start flowing from your hand are the vibrations of the manifestation of that Spirit. This is what happens actually, in this Happening of Sahaja Yoga. Now ‘Sa-ha-ja’ – ‘Sa-ha’ means ‘with’, ‘Ja’ means ‘born’ – it is born with you. It is born with your, means it is your birth right to get this and that it is within you. It’s all built-in. It is all within you and some people are surprised, are amazed that how is it just after Realisation we can start feeling everybody’s chakras and we can start feeling everybody’s Kundalini rising. Now one thing we must understand as this is the evolutionary process, it does not have to bother about what so-called religions you follow or what so-called countries you belong to or to what so-called races you are. Supposing some fishes have to evolve, nobody went and saw what sort of shoals they were in. It’s just a chance that you are in England, you could have been in Timbuktu; you could have been anywhere. I mean, God never thought of you, dividing you according to these countries. It’s only the man that has made this mad-maps and things like that. For a person like Me, I don’t understand, I can’t understand why should I carry a passport with Me, like a criminal all the time showing them My number and everything. After all, the whole world is created by one God and why should there be a problem like that? So, Kundalini is not bothered about that: what race you come from, what things, but it does matter what kind of life you have. Supposing Hitler comes to Me and says, "Mother you have to give me Realisation otherwise I’ll put you in the gas chamber." I’ll tell him, "You better put Me because I just cannot", you see. This is, this is the thing! So, you cannot demand and ask for it, it has to work out. As it is I have told you, it’s a very Subtle happening and once you get it, you’ll loose it also, specially in the West because in the West they get it very fast. I have seen many people get it just like that (Shri Mataji snaps Her fingers) but they loose it also very fast because of so many problems that they have created for themselves. Some of the problems are like this: that we are, have been victims about it, that we have organised even God, we have ideas about God. We have ideas about everything. We have organised and tried to organise everything and we have preconceived ideas about the Truth, about everything which you do not know at all. Once you will get it you will be amazed, you will think that you have never known that there is such a subtle power, all pervading, which works in such a, such a way. Because, as soon as you get your Self Realisation you’ll get into the State of Collective Consciousness. And that is a state, which is described by many psychiatrists and persons like Jung. Whether he was true or not, the time has come for you to see that you become Collectively Conscious. You start feeling the Kundalini of others, you start raising the Kundalini of others and you are amazed that only by one sitting you got it. But remember that as we have committed lots of mistakes, one of them is guru-shopping. Guru-shopping is a craze and you cannot shop [for] a guru! That is absolutely to be understood that you cannot pay for this. You cannot pay! It’s insulting. It’s absolutely, I would say, is childish and stupid to think that you can pay for your Realisation. Anybody who has taken money from you is a sinister fellow no doubt but you are being stupid to pay him; that you think that you can pay. He’s just satisfying your ego. So, this kind of a thing, especially Americans are really guru-shoppers. I tell you their style is so much, that they have built up a mechanism by which they go on shopping here, here, here, here. Even when they come to Sahaja Yoga, they are just still moving in the same way you see. In the sheer inertia they are ruined. It is difficult to stop. Then another way I must tell you, your problems, some of them is that, that a mechanism has been built by too much rationality in the West. Too much rationality a mechanism is built that you ascertain everything. You start asserting even when you get vibrations, even when you get your ascent. Even when you start giving Realisation to others, still you try to see, asserting. Now I must tell you one thing very frankly, this brain of yours is very limited. I’m talking about something unlimited and something very fantastic. You cannot reach there with these limited brains because as I said, that now you have come by car. You had to leave your car outside to come into the hall. In the same way you’ll have to leave this small little brain outside to enter into that subtle area. You cannot do it! So those who try to ascertain it and to rationalise it will always loose it but those who will experience it more and more, they will go deeper into it. But with rationality you will understand everything. You’ll understand that, "Yes, it is happening!" For example, we had an example of a gentleman who is a intellectual. You see, they have a very similar people, very big intellectual, very well-read gentleman. He came to Me and he didn’t know you see, he was quite amazed at it, how can it be? So, according to whatever I had told him, the decoding of it, the concepts, I was decoding. When I told him that, "If you get any heat on these inner things, you should know that it’s with your father because this is right hand and here are your parents." So, he was feeling some heat, he was feeling for his father. Just to see how his condition is, just thought of it. And he started getting burning here. Now this is the centre, is here, and that is throat trouble. So, he telephoned to his father to find out, the father is far out and he telephones there and, he found out that he was sick in bed and had very bad bronchitis. So, he went home (unclear). It’s a fact! It’s not a thing and tales. There have been never tales like this. But actually, the problem was to understand these people who were such great incarnations and such great personalities was very difficult for people who are not yet Realised. This is what I realised the day I was born on this Earth – and I knew that this is the problem, that nobody will understand people who are Realised if they themselves are not Realised. And this is the biggest problem! Now Hatha Yoga for example, now you all must have read about Hatha Yoga. I was amazed that people are doing the physical exercises. Now how can that be yoga, you just tell me? It is just a physical science. 'Yoga' means 'spiritual meeting with the God'. Now it has nothing to do with physical, only the physical part of it. On the contrary if you have done too much of (Hatha) yoga it will stand against you because you have paid too much attention only to your physical being and neglected the other side so there is an imbalance. But we work it out. You will be amazed all Hatha yogis are, all have a pull on the heart because they have extracted all the energies of the physical side and you have given a strain to the heart. Now, it’s very interesting to know that when you do physical exercises you get heart trouble. But when you do your emotional exercise too much or you are emotionally attached to someone then you get a brain collapse or you can say a person becomes mad, a lunatic. Just imagine, just the opposing controlling forces are making you crazy. There are many other such interesting things you will discover and you will be amazed how God has made you so beautiful, just for this, for this special occasion. – You have been born again and again for this occasion only and you have to have it. You have to get it. – If you do not get it the time is coming for the last sorting out. Then nobody is going to talk about Self Realisation, nobody is going to work on you; it will be just sorting out. And whatever is said in all the scriptures is absolute truth and complete truth and I can verify it for you. Once you get your Realisation, you can see for yourself. So, the time has come for you to be convinced, absolutely, scientifically, and not only just talking. Hatha Yoga, as you know, ultimately is this but for that they used a method by which they cleansed and the only children from about five years of age were taken for Hatha Yoga. They lived a, absolutely a celibate life; there was ya-ma, nee-ma, tap-ya, ha-ra and you must have heard about all these things. 'Ishwara-pari-hara' means 'you have to establish God'. It is, these deities are there; these are the God’s aspects, which are to be established. All these things were to be done in a complete celibate condition. Apart from that you had to be with a Realised soul who was a guru. I mean there was never a guru who was accepted who was not a Realised soul. I mean this is only a modern special that anybody, any Dick, Tom and Harry who gets out of the jail, he doesn’t know where to go in the society, runs away as a guru, wears some dress and he’s there, very nicely collecting money from you and then building houses after houses. If you see his private life, it will be worse than you hundred times. This is all nonsense. Whatever is truth, has to be verified, has to be found out and it must have some sort of a commonness among all. But in these gurus, they have no connection with the scriptures, they have no connection with God, nothing. They are just connected with you through your purse, that’s all. They just want to know how much money you have got. So, all these guru-shopping also goes against it and there are people I have seen, if you say a word against their gurus, they will kill you. They will get so angry that sometimes I feel they’ll come and murder Me. But if you ask them, "My child, what did your guru give you? Did you get anything out of your guru?" They’ll say, "Yes, we got a lot of peace" and you find all their chakras are wobbling. After three months you’ll find them sitting before you rattling, completely, just like a gentle car, the one who has done this. So many of them are like that. They live in myths. What you have to get is Collective Consciousness, which is called in the Sanskrit language, Samoohik Chetana, it is written all over. Now if you have to listen to anyone you go read Adi Shankaracharya, He was the last word, in His book Vivekachudamani. There are so many books, so many books, which have written about this, who have talked about it in India. But you read tantrikas. These sinister, horrible, sinful people, how can they depict? What is their life? You go and see these tantrikas: they have ten wives, they have fifteen kids, so many, their mistresses. Are these the people who can talk of God and religious things? So, we have to keep ourselves open and understand that a person who is not even holy and righteous cannot talk of God and of this awakening. This is the last that has to happen to us because by this we are going to know God and we are going to know ourselves. And that Self is going to tell us all about Me. These vibrations start emitting from your hand. Now any absolute questions you want to ask, you can ask XYZ. It is like I always say that you are like a computer, all built-in very nicely and beautifully and you just get connected with the mains. Then your machine starts working. Now you ask any questions, say if you ask the question, "Is there God?", immediately you will find tremendous vibrations start flowing but if you ask if this guru has anything to do with religion or God, immediately your vibrations will stop. Maybe you might get terrible tingling's in the hands, like a patient who is suffering from very bad diseases. Anybody who is suffering from a disease also will get the same. Like in Puna we had some people you see, they said that, they got very angry and I never, people did not tell me they were angry with me. They said, "We’ll not give Her the room because She’s not a Brahmin." Now, who is a Brahmin? The one who is Realised is a Brahmin. But they said, "She’s not a Brahmin so we will not give Her the hall." But later on, they hashed it up and I didn’t know. But while talking in the program only I said, "Among you who are the Brahmins, please come forward." Just like that I said. Five/six of them came and sat before Me and I said, "All right please put your hands towards Me." Their hands started shaking like this. I said, "Why are you all hands shaking?" And they got a fright! They said, "Mother, you are the Shakti, that is why our hands are shaking." I said, "If I am a Shakti everybody’s hands should shake. Why yours are shaking while others are very happy, they are getting cool breeze? Why your hands are shaking so much?" Then there were some other people sitting, I said they are also shaking, their hands. So I said, "Ask them from where are they?" They were from lunatic asylum. So I said, "Now you see, where are you [from], are you Brahmins or lunatic asylum? And they are also from lunatic asylum, so you are in the same boat." That’s how you can relatively find out. So, this is how you can find out as to what is the problem is. But for that I have to tell you again that do not, in anyway, condemn yourself. Because the glorious of glorious of things in this world is a Human Being. The highest of the highest that God has created is a Human. The greatest of greatest knowledge in this world is of a Human Being. The most beautiful joyous life that somebody is going to enjoy is the Human Life. So, you are Human Being so, please do not condemn yourself. Because if I start pressing your ego too much, then, "Don’t do like this, don’t do", then you start crying and weeping and say, "Oh, Mother, we are so bad, how will You cleanse us; we are so horrid, how will it happen?" I mean, both ways are wrong. We have to be in the centre and you don’t have to worry as to how life or what life you have led or what life you have to have but just stand in the centre, in the present. In this present time wherever you are, just now you are facing Me, that’s all. So please do not condemn yourself. That’s a fashion these days among young people especially. They condemn themselves. I’ve seen some people condemning themselves because Britishers were ruling in India. Now they have gone somewhere else. You are very good people. You are born here. Why are you blaming yourself for that and which Britishers have ruled is gone past! There are some people who are weeping I have seen that, because, "Our forefathers had a war" or something like that. I mean all nonsensical things like that. Some people are there who have had a heart, a heartbreak with their fiancé and things, we have some of them with us. All the time they are crying, "We had a problem like this." Now, forget it! You are not going to waste your life on one person like that. You must evaluate yourself. You must find out! You are not that useless thing that is going to waste on some small little emotional attachment to something. Know you are very great! Just find out for yourself. Evaluate yourself how great you are! Your greatness outside has no meaning unless there’s greatness inside. And, just find out! Some people, I have seen, very great people, Presidents, this. My husband’s life is such that I meet all of them you see, and I find sometimes none of them are going to get Realisation. I get a real pain, a concern in my heart and see these people are riding such fast horses what is going to happen to them? When are they going to realise that they, if there is too much of a success on our heads, and you have to come down a little bit to understand Me? So, there are people of that kind. It is not the outside but the inside success is to be sought. And those who are seekers, Seekers of Truth are not seeking outside. They are seeking inside which has to be granted by God if He has to keep His creation. He’s not going to destroy you. Another point, which I must tell you about this Kundalini is that, there are books, I have seen such big, big books written down about Kundalini. And as I have sometimes said, they are all rumble-tumble because if you pay any attention to them you would never come to My program. They give such horrid experiences about Kundalini but so far in India, in America and all these places, I must have given realisation to, I don’t know how many, thousands. Not one person had that trouble that is described in these books. Actually, those people who try to play about with Kundalini without understanding its holiness, it’s the aspect of Motherhood. They try to play with sex and all nonsense. There only such a problem arises that when you bring sex in religion. Sex is for your married life, auspicious thing, man and woman, for human life and not for evolution. You cannot rise through your sex. This is something absurd! We can understand scientifically. Who does more sex than the animals! Are they going to go to God or we are going to go to God? By doing sex, if you are going to go to God that is the easiest thing human beings can do. This is an absurd idea and not only that but it’s extremely insulting that you put your sex on your Mother. So those gurus, those gurus who try this are really, actually satanic. But those who play into their hands also suffer. And ultimately, you will see that because when the Kundalini rises you will see the results there and you have to correct it. This is a wrong idea! You have to have a holy and a very righteous attitude towards your Kundalini because She is your Mother. What Freud had said, is all nonsense which has no meaning because he was an absurd man, his mother was an absurd woman, he’s absurd like that! Mostly these people also, psychiatrists, I’ve met very big large number of them. They also have been dealing only with pathology, pathological cases, absolutely absurd cases and they generalise it. I mean, how many of you feel that way about your mother? It is such a nonsense that he has talked and people believe in him. It’s a pathological case. He has never dealt with normal people; he himself was pathological. So, this is sex plays its own part as far as the husband/wife relationship is concerned and I’m not saying sex is wrong, not at all! On the contrary it is the most sacred thing for husband and wife to indulge into sex, and it is the thing that is being sanctioned, blessed by Collective Consciousness because in all churches, in all temples, in all religions, all people have blessed marriages. Not only that but some of the deities were married; some of the incarnations were married. So, sex is not to be condemned. Not to be condemned, not at all! On the contrary we must understand its beauty, its sacredness and its importance. We should also know that through sex you cannot go because you have to become mature and, as children are, they are not conscious of it. When the Kundalini rises you will realise that, you will really have a feeling as if you are a child. It’s a child-like thing because you are reborn-as-a-child. That’s why Christ has said that you have to be like children if you have to enter into the Kingdom of God. If cyou have to enter into the Kingdom of God we have to be like children when we have come for Kundalini Awakening. And, it happens automatically because this is the centre here, which is controlling the sex, and it is below the Kundalini. And as soon as the Kundalini rises it closes down and this is the centre, which is the centre of where the Deity of Innocence resides. And this centre, the Innocence Centre we can call it, immediately gives us that Sense of Innocence when the Kundalini is rising. Many people have lost their innocence in this way. (End recording 2/2)

Old title: Becoming Registered as a Charity 1978, London (Audio 1978-000-3) HH Shri Mataji Nirmal Devi, Public Meeting No.2, Caxton Hall, London, UK, 1978-10-30_TO1 (HH Shri Mataji speaking informally, greeting people and speaking to yogis: All those who have come for the first time, please come and sit here, all right? As much as possible, closer, and then…he’s your friend? Good. You can come here.) (Speaks in Hindi) Today I will give again a little gist about Kundalini because they have come for the first time, these people, so I think I should tell about Kundalini. These people are experts now, about Kundalini. If you show this diagram to a doctor or someone or a scientist, they will say, "What sort of a thing it is?" And, whether there’s something like this or I’m just telling about some sort of an imaginary thing within us. One cannot see these things within us, which is, they are placed in the spinal cord because they are actually energy areas. These are the areas from where the energy is emitted, a kind of an energy. Because we cannot see them, we do not know that they exist but their manifestation we can see. For example, the doctors can’t say what has evolved us from amoeba to this stage. They cannot give an explanation as to why did we become human beings. What is the part of our brain, which carries all this instrument, that we evolved ourselves from amoebas to this stage and then, why have we evolved? Why we were made human beings? What is the purpose of nature to make human beings out of us? This cannot be explained by doctors. Scientists cannot say why so many things happen and, how there is gravity in the Earth. How is it that so many things are moving with such a speed and there is no collision? Now a time has come for many scientists to believe that there is some sort of a power, which is beyond human comprehension, which is all-powerful and which works, in such a manner that we cannot see the working of it but we can feel it. Now, we have to know that if we were complete, if we had fulfilled our vision from amoeba to human stage, if human stage was the last and the supreme thing then we would have given answers to all the questions. But we have not been able to do so. Why? That means we are not yet complete. We haven’t yet found out our fulfilment. We do not know why we are created like this, what are we supposed to do, what is our aim, what is the aim of the nature? But when we cannot explain something, we go on probing into it through science, through various ways of human enterprise you can say, the way we want to find out things but human being, being a rational being and his thinking capacity being limited, there are certain things we cannot understand, we cannot transcend. This is a problem, which we are facing today. We are feeling quite lost. You can see the result of this: that people are talking about the destruction of the world. There are many people who are prophesising that the destruction of the world is coming on. We are all going to be destroyed. This comes out of insecurity within human beings because they cannot give answers to many things. They cannot explain why so many things happened which they cannot control. There are so many things that are beyond them. But there is another way of moving about it. One way the knowledge can come from outside probing into everything. As I said, if you want to know about the tree you can start counting the leaves, you can start counting the thorns, you can start seeing a flower under the mic(roscope) but it could be that you can enter into the sap of the tree from inside and you arrive at the outside. That’s another way of going into it. As I have told many-a-times that in this room if you have come in and if it is dark you can understand about it by probing into smaller spaces. Say, there’s a chair, all right, there’s a chair here and there’s this and there’s that, and gradually you can feel whatever is placed in this room but still you do not get the complete picture and, you do not know how to relate to things and, you do not know how to make a complete integrated picture of these findings. But there could be a method by which you can just put on the light by which you see everything at the same time. This one is known as Enlightenment. Now, the scriptures have talked about enlightenment. Christ has said that you are to be reborn again. Every scripture has said that you have to be reborn, that you have to be self-realised, that you have to know your Self. There is Self within you, there is Spirit within you. There is Atma within you. Everyone has said that. Those who have read even an ordinary religious book can know this and those who have read a, a very intellectual and a very proving book also can see that they are always talking about a breakthrough. We have to break through! Surprisingly, in the modern times, they’re having such an absurd or we can say, such a manifestation of seeking. It was never so before that every person you come across says, "Oh, I am seeking." Except for very, very gross people, everyone says that, "I am a seeker. I am seeking." But if you ask them, "What are you seeking?", perhaps they do not know, they are confused about it. They are not sure what they are seeking or perhaps that whatever they have read or whatever they have understood they have their own conceptions about those things. But, if truth exists beyond our comprehension that we are not conscious of, then truth has to be as it is. We cannot comprehend it, not only that but we cannot organise it. We cannot command it. We have to accept it, accept-it-as-it-is. We cannot say that this should be the truth – "Oh, I expect the truth should be like this. I expected it should have!" Now, when I present before you a case or any hypothesis, as a scientist what you have to do is to listen to Me, open your minds out, not to close them. If you are a scientist, you must to keep your minds open. If you are not a scientist, of course then you are dogmatic; I cannot help. But, if you are a scientist, then you must keep your mind opened out. Then when you listen to My hypothesis, then you can experiment with it. Anything that can be experimented with is a scientific thing. You can see for yourself that whatever I’m saying is true or not. If it is scientifically proven, means that if you see with your own eyes and if you can see the results of it, then you have to believe. But if you just said at the very outset, say, "No, no, no, no, how can we believe?", then how can I proceed, what am I to do? That would be just shutting your Self away from the reality. So, this is how it has to work: in any seeking, in any findings, a person has to be an open-minded person. Maybe, what he seeks may-not-be what he has so far conceived as truth. May not be at all! Maybe something very different but he should be prepared because he is a "seeker of truth" and he doesn’t want falsehood. When he finds the truth, then he has to say, "Yes, it is so" and has to accept it. So, second point for a scientist is that he should not be identified with something about which he does not know. That is called as Misidentification. Supposing say, you are an Indian and some Indian has said XYZ, so you are identified with that idea then you are not a scientist. A scientist has to be above all these things and he has to have a very, very open mind to see that the truth that he sees has to be what-it-is. What others have told you, what others have talked about [to] you, or what you have known so far, or because your father has told you, because in the country such and such person says, all these things are Misidentifications. So, a person who is courageous like that or I would say, a person who is standing on his own feet to face the truth, they only see but who believes into somebody else’s things and somebody else’s ideas, such a person, why should he be believed? Why should he be believed to, or I should say why should he be exposed to truth because truth also has its own protocol. Because Truth is also Love, absolute Love and it will not be exposed to those who cannot fix it. It’s not a jarring thing. It’s a beautiful thing. It’s extremely beautiful. The truth is that what you have so far known as your self is not your Self. There is something beyond you. There is something, which is, we call as Spirit and this Spirit exists within you. But you have yet not felt the existence of this Spirit. This is the truth I propose before you. Is the truth what I say, as a hypothesis, as a hypothesis and not being aggressive about it. I’m just saying it’s a hypothesis before you and let us see if it is so; with this open mind for a start and then we have to go further. How do we do it? I say that it cannot be done through your rationality. You have reached your stage of your development now. Rationality has to be left behind. For example, to come to this hall you had to come in your car but you had to leave your car there, to get inside. Supposing if it is something subtler than your rationality can pick up, so how do we do it? So, we go in the other way that so far we have become human beings without knowing anything about it. What did we do? Did we stand on our, our heads or did we do anything about it? What does a tree do to become a tree from a seed? It does nothing! It’s a spontaneous happening done by the nature. Nature does it by itself. The tree grows by itself. You cannot do anything about it except for giving some water to it, perhaps, looking after it, catering it, allowing it to grow but you cannot make it sprout. The seed sprouts by itself. So, if you move in this way, then we will realise that whatever so far has happened to us, whatever transformation has taken place in us, in becoming human beings, in our evolution has happened spontaneously. We had no brain. So, whatever we have, has to happen further, for our evolution, if we have to go further on, if we are not complete, then it has to happen and it will happen spontaneously. When we say it will happen spontaneously then one may say then how to do it? Again, the same question! You are not going to do it. It has to work out spontaneously. Like a lamp now, here, you can see all these lights. If they were out and there was no light, one enlightened light could enlighten all of them. Now, what did the light do? Nothing! It was a catalyst. It just touched the other thing, which was ready and it got enlightened. It touched the other thing, it got enlightened. In the same way our evolution is going to take place. Somebody who is evolved – like one fish came out of the water, felt the land and became the reptile, then many came, and then many (more) came, and then shoals of the fishes came. In the same way, it’s going to happen to you. Even in science if you find out, say if you discover electricity, one person knows about it then he tells ten people, they experiment with it and then the whole world knows about it. In the same way our evolution is going to work out. So, first thing is that it is a spontaneous happening. Now, there must be something within us to bring forth that spontaneous happening. There must be something that works it out, like in the seed there’s a premule, the germinating part of the seed is the premule. So, as in the seed there is a premule, there has to be something in us also waiting to do this job of our further evolution, where all the Saints, all the Incarnations, all the great people had talked about it, is our heritage. They were not mad people! They never told us lies. Did they? How can you say they told us lies unless and until you have verified, until and unless you have found out that we can do this rebirth work? This happening is, as I said, is spontaneous. Now, what is the thing within us that brings forth? Now, I say, as a hypothesis again, it is a hypothesis, which I put forward before you, is this that within us is placed this kind of a mechanism. This is not in all details because that will confuse you but it is, I should say, the basic things are placed there and these are the energy areas, which are placed within our spinal cord in this fashion [i.e., as per the Chart of Subtle System] and you can see that germinating force sleeping there, in that pink area. That germinating force only brings forth this happening. It rises through the various, various forces or we can say the various centres and opens out that portion by which you enter into that subtle area of consciousness by which you enter, through your Parasympathetic Nervous System into the Central Nervous System. You start feeling, the Central Nervous System starts feeling the Parasympathetic. Now it’s a very complicated thing and can only be understood by doctors, what is Parasympathetic and the Sympathetic System. But Sympathetic System is that system by which we attend to our emergencies and Parasympathetic is that system which is autonomous, works on its own and it gives Harmony and Balance within us. So, it so happens that the Autonomous Nervous System, which we do not know what, how it works, it’s an 'auto-nomous', means it works on its own. Who is this 'Auto'? Who works our heart? Who works our digestion? Who, who gives all these ideas to our brain? That System suddenly becomes known to our Central Nervous System that means, we become Conscious of it. This is the Happening. Once this happens then you start feeling Collectively Conscious. This is the Subtle Happening, that you start feeling about everyone. Now, this happening of this rising you can see with your naked eyes, in so many people, not in everyone. But, in so many people you can see that there is a pulsation in that area of triangular bone that cannot pulsate otherwise. You can also, with a stethoscope can feel the rising. If you want to feel you can really feel the rising of the thing. You can hear, (Shri Mataji makes a sound that is like a burst of wind forced through a narrow tunnel) the sounds, hard sounds while the Kundalini moves. Clearly you can see. When the Kundalini rises, the person in whom the Kundalini rises, suddenly becomes Thoughtlessly Aware. He’s aware but there is no thought. Such a situation is an impossibility! Nobody can become that even for a second! All thoughts stop and you’ll start seeing that you are in a realm where you are aware of everything, you are listening to Me but no thoughts are coming. At this time Kundalini crosses this point [Agnya Chakra]. When the Kundalini crosses this point, that time, you have really enlightened your Central Nervous System and start feeling in your hands a kind of Vibrations flowing. You can feel the Vibrations flowing. When these Vibrations start flowing you see first a little heat. Some people a lot of heat depending on what sort of a body you have. The heat rises out. The heat is due to the friction you have had so far within yourself, all kinds of extra-energies you have used for emergencies and for your own whims and for your seeking, or whatever it is, maybe you are sick. Then gradually you will find in you, will cool down and from your hand a cool breeze start. It you remember Christ, somebody touched Christ and said, "My energy has flowed from me." It is said that from the body of the Holy Ghost you get the cool breeze coming out. All these scriptures and everything that is said in the scriptures, not only in the Bible but in all of the scriptures of the world, whatever they have said, the time has come that you are to be convinced. But not convinced by just giving you a lecture or a brainwash but by an actual happening, by a complete seeing of it, scientifical. Now when the Kundalini passes over, the eyes become dilated just like a child’s eyes. Some people can’t see for a second also and then Kundalini rises and you feel absolutely fine. Now with some of you, you must have definitely read some description of Kundalini, I’m sure. I must say I was shocked to hear what these people have to say about it because they have described Kundalini to be a some sort of a hot tempered lady or some sort of a terrible force that is going to ruin you and is a dangerous thing, if anybody has read about Kundalini – that’s why we never put our name as Kundalini Yoga because nobody would come near Me. But so far now, we have had thousands of people with us. We have never seen such things happening to anyone. On the contrary, people become so peaceful and so far – and so joyous, and the joy is so much that some people when they get it, they do not know how to express that joy, they laugh! The complete integration takes place but as I said, we have problems. It is a very subtle happening. It has never happened like this, so much en-masse, I don’t think so but the time has come! The Blossom Time has come so it is happening in that way and it should happen. But if it happens, you are not going to deny it because it has happened! There are many psychologists who give reasons. I see people that even if they get it they deny it. (Shri Mataji laughs.) They deny it at the beginning. That’s human beings! Perhaps they think how are they worthy of it, how could they get it? There are many instances. They get it, they do have it but then they loose it. They start doubting about it because it is the Awareness, it is the last energy that thinks, that understands, that has its own things, it has its own protocol. It’s a living energy, integrated energy. Some people loose it because they have certain problems within them but it comes back again, it works. For example, in the very rush of it, in the first rush of it comes, it hits the Fontanelle bone. The Baptism takes place. It gives you the experience but then again it goes down. If you are sick it caters to your sickness, if there is any other mental problem, it caters to that. Now here there might be at least 50% people who were physically sick, maybe 25% people who are mentally sick, absolutely somewhere from lunatic asylum, and they are absolutely cured of their problems. So, what happens? When the Kundalini rises, She integrates all these centres and then She gives the balance. The power that is being exhausted by the Sympathetic is again refilled. So, by that first of all your body, your physical being, your emotional being and your spiritual being is completely soothed. But then you become Collectively Conscious. Immediately you do. It’s a happening at such a rate that is a real work; you really become something else. Collectively conscious means that you immediately you can start feeling others on the fingers, you start feeling the different centres that are there. Now, all these I can decode and you can find out for yourself. For example, if somebody is suffering with a, say, with a cold and throat trouble, (inaudible), you ask the person, "Are you suffering from this?" Supposing the spark is here, you ask the person is your father suffering, they will say yes. Many people say how do you know that I have got liver trouble, because there is heat here in My hand. It suggests, is the Kundalini suggests that there is liver. All these centres, which is accepted by doctors, that the Sympathetic Nervous System is expressed but they do not know what centres are there, how they are expressed, what is the manifestation, all the details they do not know. Certain things they do but they do not from where they come. So, when you start feeling all these centres you start understanding that what is the problem. So, you not see what dress he’s picked or what personality, or what sort of a job he is coming (from), whether he is a king, queen or a beggar. You are not bothered. What you are bothered about are the centres of the person. So immediately you say, "All right, this is catching, that is catching, that is catching." Now, if you give vibrations there from your hand you can fulfil that plan of Kundalini Awakening. It is so simple that even a child of two years can do that. We have seen that, a child of two years old because if they are born realised, then if they are born with the knowledge of Kundalini, they can do it; two-year-old child can do this. If you put our ten children here and close their eyes and put one person before them and then ask them, "What’s the matter?", they will raise the same finger. This is the meaning, that something is wrong with his father. His father relationship is not all right. If this is so, the mother relationship, only in the heart, there’s something wrong with the heart chakra. And it is amazing to see these children, how they work it out. Immediately they will get out the patient and they will work it out. They will say, "Here is the problem, here is the blockage, now see, raise it" and they can cure because they can feel it within themselves. It is a subjective knowledge, as you can feel the smell, say the dirty smell. Human beings can smell; animals cannot smell. You don’t have to tell your child that there is a dirty smell, he immediately puts his hands to his nose and says, "Oh, it’s horrible smell!" Everybody feels, which is our subjective knowledge. In the same way, this becomes our subjective knowledge. Some of them have to put their hands towards the patient but some of them don’t have to put. They just can do like that. But, you do not suffer with it. You just see it because you become a witness. Then you call, "Oh, how do you know Mr. So and So," Like that. You become a third person, you start seeing, "How I behave" and then your colossal ego that is there and, then you say, "Look at this Mr. Ego of mine is trying to suggests me." And then you also see the possessions that are within you, also see the ideas that have come to you through falsehood, through reading the books that are false. You see all those things so clearly and then you can cleanse it out. Instead of going into the details and names and things and all that, I would suggest that they have got some, "Have you got or not?" Those who are interested can get it from these people, the names of the chakras and all that. That is that those names are in the Sanskrit language. But all these centres are expressed or manifested outside as plexuses, in the gross, which we know the names in English language. But, that doesn’t mean that if it is Sanskrit it becomes an Indian stuff, it is not. Because, in those days, in India, people had lot of time and they discovered so they gave it in Sanskrit. If they were Englishmen they would have given in English language. As you have found out something about science you have given it English names. In the same way, whatever they found out in India they have given it Sanskrit names because that was the language available at that time. It is not an Indian stuff, an Indian stuff as such but the findings were in India. Because it was discovered in India one should not, sort of, shut it out. But there have been also, the other side people those who have had no knowledge but just heard something they tried to make huge big books. I have seen such huge big books and all falsehood. I was amazed. How can they do it? They write about Mandalas and they write about this and they write about that. All kinds of things they have written without even, without even understanding that whatever is written so far has all falsehood. There is no way of knowing how they have written these false things. I just cannot understand because this is after all is subjective knowledge and you can write whatever you please? Who is going to ask you who is the authority of that? And all such books naturally find their way to your places because they want money. Wherever is the cash, they go there. First, they went to America, then Germany then to England and to all the places wherever they have cash. Where they can cash it and can get money. And people think, "Oh, that is such a great thing, such a great thing" and buy it and spend such a lot of money. It’s a sad thing that human beings think they can buy everything. They cannot. Subjective knowledge has to be achieved. Has to manifest itself. You cannot, if you cannot feel what is hot and what is cold. By giving money you cannot feel it. It happens to you because it is within you. It is all built in you. It is like a living computer within you, which is just put to the mains and it just starts working. But if you think you can purchase it, you cannot. You can think about it, you cannot. It is a happening. It is something that happens within you by which your Consciousness becomes a Collective Consciousness. It comes into your Conscious-being the Unconscious. This is a happening and not a, just a rational working. Any saint, you can say, Kabira Das or it can be said Nanaka, any saint you read, Kahlil Gibran or any saint, whosoever has lived, if you ask him, "How do you do it? How it is?", He will say, "I cannot say. You see I’ve become dumb." How do you ask a dumb person what is the taste of the jaggery [made from sugarcane and date palm] of a sugar? How can a dumb person say, "I become dumb"? Because the thing is, it is a happening! It happens within you. You cannot describe it but it just happens within you. You can see it happens. This is the breakthrough which was historically, was described, from the time of Socrates it started. He said that you have to seek. Everyone has said and today the time has come for it to happen. But as I said, it is a very subtle thing. It is not like, I say, "All right, this is the toothbrush and you have it, brush yourself and you have face sparkling." It is not like that. It’s not a quick thing but it happens like a jet, no doubt, but it has to settle down. It takes time to settle down and then you have to know how to do it because the knowledge about yourself also comes into you. You can see your own chakras. You can see this is the chakra catching. You’ll find. Now they will say, "Mother, my Agnya is catching, my this-thing is catching, my Nabhi is catching." They will come and tell Me. You yourself start seeing your Self like, if you are in the car, you cannot see the car. Supposing if you get out of the car then you can see it clearly then you can repair it. Sitting in the car you cannot repair. So, when you see your Self, you can repair it. This is the method, which is a very quick method I would say and can be en-masse. We had another method that people used which is called as Hatha Yoga in which first they thought, "Why not start with the cleansing of it. Start it from the very beginning. The basis and everything, and built it up very nicely and then enlighten your Self." But it takes too much time. Thousands of years people have spent, from one life to another life they have worked like that building up themselves gradually, keeping themselves aloof from the society. This Hatha Yoga that, these days you practice is all absolutely rumble-tum. It’s nothing but only all physical side of it, which is very, very imbalanced and wrong but what I was talking about, the Hatha Yoga that they did, in the forest. In the forest they used to go and live a celibate life, completely dedicated life and there they used to achieve this cleansing first of all and then the enlightenment. But Sahaja Yoga is a system first you achieve it, just get into it and then you cleanse yourself, you understand your Self and cleanse your Self and, it goes up to the roots, it completely changes you. That is why it is a living process. Supposing something has gone wrong with this building at the foundation, you cannot change it because it is a dead thing. But a tree, if it is spoilt even at the roots, we can change it. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga completely transforms you, then the manifestation of the Spirit starts and the manifestation of Spirit is this, what we call in Sanskrit, what is called as spunNa [sphuraNa] and that in English is 'throb'. It throbs in the heart. The throbbing in the heart is called as Anahata, it means it is without percussion. It throbs. That is why it is called as Anahata and that throbbing starts flowing from here. You can feel that pulsation. And with this pulsation you become absolutely hollow and you see the working of the dynamic force and, you are amazed that there are already all kinds of telecommunications and all kinds of tremendous things already built. You are unnecessarily worried and carrying the load, like sometimes as I say, that people sitting in the aeroplane, they are told not to carry too much load so they put it on their heads. In the same way we are putting the load on our heads and that whole thing falls down, so-call tension, everything goes down. Now again as I have said many-a-times, again I have to proclaim that cancer is one disease that cannot be cured but for Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is the only thing that is going to cure cancer and that is the challenge because Sahaja Yoga gives the balance to the Sympathetic. An over activity of the Sympathetic causes it, by any means, which can be due to some infection, can be due to anything. Over activity of the Sympathetic Nervous causes cancer and to neutralise that thing we have to activate the Parasympathetic. If you know how to do it; we have done it. But for doctors it is very difficult to believe in God! They can believe in their stethoscopes but not in God. One step forward you have to come. One step forward – that there is God. Not there is only God but He has many aspects and He has incarnated many-a-times on this Earth and, He has tried to save us. And He is the one who has given us these, as one of them was Christ who incarnated on this Earth and there are many other incarnations who came on this Earth to give us guidelines and they are all built in us like the milestones, they are within us. They demarcate our different periods of evolution and when it comes to our final mode, they all help us and they are the people who are dominating all this, or are bestowing upon these different centres which are having their energy in. They are all there. But, if you tell a doctor that, "You have to take the name of Christ if you have to get rid of this problem", they’ll say, "What? Take the name of Christ?" They can’t believe it. If you say that, "Yes, you have to say the Lord’s Prayer for this otherwise you cannot be all right", they’ll say, "How can we believe that you have to say the Lord’s Prayer for this, it’s an impossibility!" Then you say that, "I’m sorry then I cannot cure you, you have to take that name otherwise it is impossible." If they have to get cured, they have to take their names. That is what is known as Mantra. That is what is known as a chant, that you have to awaken these different deities within you, in your Self. That is only possible if you are authorised, it means you are a Realised Soul and that if and when you are connected with that Divine All Pervading Power. Then only you can do it. Only by saying some mantras you are not going to get there. Like the other day somebody had a discussion that, "What is wrong within a mantra?" I said there is a science. Anybody gives you a mantra. Anybody can give you; even a donkey can tell you a mantra. Why do you need a guru for it? But, does he understand what’s wrong with you? Does he understand where are the chakras? You cannot give one mantra to somebody because the Kundalini moves. It moves from chakras to chakras. The person, does he know where the Kundalini is? What mantra is he giving you? Say the mantra is given for the lower chakras and the Kundalini is standing there, what is the use? There’s a science. They give one mantra and everybody is chanting that. Maybe that the name that is given to them is not of God but maybe of some devil! How can you fall for calling God without having any authority about it? You cannot just sit down, "All right, Jesus, come along" and there, "Jesus, oh, let me help the child!" Why should He? Where is your respect for God? How will he come to you? We expect God to stand, we see all the time giving Him orders. Very demanding we are, "I must have a job, my child must be all right, my wife must be all right, my father must get his property and the other person is having troubling things entering the country, so, God, help him also. And, we are waging a war against another country, so God help me there." Poor God must be thinking what sort of these human beings are? So, it is necessary that we should understand Him in His full way and that you can understand through this knowledge and a rapport is established. How do you know there is God? How do we say there is God? All right, somebody has said, why should we believe whether there is God or not? Then what happens? As I have said your computer starts working. If you ask, "Is there God?", immediately your vibrations start, "Yes!" If you ask about XYZ, "Is he a real man, a guru?", immediately the vibrations stop, stop and you start getting tingling or heat, "Oh God, throw him away!" Automatically it happens. All the Absolute Truths you can find out through your vibrations as they have been described since long time back. They are described in the Upanishadas, they are described in the Vedas; they are described in the later time when Shankaracharya came in. They are described by Buddha, they are described by Mahavira; they are described by all the people; they are described by Christ, by Mohammed Sahib. In Namaz that Mohammed Sahib taught was nothing else but Kundalini Awakening. Now if you tell the Muslims they’ll cut my throat for it. Absolutely that! He never taught them to fight. And the Sikhs were taught by the same person Nanaka; and Mohammed Sahib and Nanaka they were the same people, we can prove it through Kundalini. They were the same people but the Sikhs and the Muslims are fighting, and what he told them not to drink, they are doing. So, you see there are so many things like that. It is very confusing. If you go to a church, you see a priest, he is telling one thing and then another thing. You can’t believe. How can there be God? Organized religions give you such a fright; you just don’t understand. Then you go to another place, say, to an Indian temple where they are selling ganja [cannabis]. What? At a temple they are selling ganja? These are not godly people. These are all satanic. They have captured all these places and are selling God. They are not divine. But because they are there that does not mean God does not exist. He exists! It’s only for us to open out ourselves. It will happen but the truth has to come. But it sounds very fantastic! Absolutely fantastic! And when it happens, it is so fantastic that people just don’t believe in it. But believe in this, that the time has come and that you are the people, the very specially chosen ones. Why do you under-estimate yourself? Maybe you are the people chosen for this by God so you have to have a very calm attitude towards yourself, a very open attitude and a co-operative attitude. If you are not cooperative you see I cannot garland you. I say, "All right, you are realized." See, you cannot give a person a false certificate. If my daughter is not realized I cannot help. If she’s not, she’s not! You cannot force somebody. You cannot give a false certificate about it. It has to happen within you and when this happening takes place then there is no doubt about – they do not start doubting. (End recording-1/2) HH Shri Mataji Nirmal Devi, Public Meeting No.2, Caxton Hall, London, UK, 1978-10-30_TO2 And, because you see the Sympathetic System is here and here, it passes and it is propelled into your being as vibrations and the Kundalini is invited and She rises spontaneously because I’m an enlightened person, that’s why it happens to you. Tomorrow you will be an enlightened person and then you can do it also. Now all these people are doing. In the same way you can do. You will be amazed! With your finger you can see the Kundalini rising. You will be amazed at yourself and then you say, "Mother, how can it be? How can I have these powers?" You have these powers! What do you think? You are a Human Being. You are above all the creatures, all the stars, all, everything that is created; you are above that. Have you known, how complicated and how beautiful you are made? Even if you take one eye, you’ll be amazed at how things are done. Such a beautiful thing is created just for a waste of it? Do not underestimate yourself. I, again and again, tell you because this I have seen is common reaction among you. Even when it happens, they will just run away, after three months they will come, "Mother what to do, we’ve lost all our vibrations." Don’t do that! You have to get into it. It is a deeper thing and it’s a very, very subtle thing. You have to be attentive about it and it has to be respected. And once it happens, it’s a tremendous thing. Now, our, these boys who have been with Me and girls who have been with Me, within this short time they know such a lot about it that you see, they find it difficult to talk to others. And whenever people ask for an article or anything, whatever they write, they say, "It’s going on in our heads, we don’t know what we are talking about." And that has happened with all the Incarnations, so they crucified them, they murdered them, they poisoned them because everything went over their heads. They couldn’t understand what these people are talking. All of them were tortured. Perhaps I know their language, in the way that I hope, I think I can talk about it and try to tell you what it is to begin with, and the time has come for you to get it. Once it is an en-masse phenomena then it will be accepted by everyone and you will understand. Now you will understand once it happens to you. Not by reading but by happening it will, you will immediately know what was it they were talking about. Now for the last five years I have been talking and the knowledge has been going on and on and every time these people, they say, "Mother why not you say something new?" So, you can imagine such an ocean, such an ocean that you have to know. And by God’s Grace, I hope it will work out for the new people and that they will settle down with it, and will make it as their own. In Sahaja Yoga, now because you know such a lot about yoga perhaps this may sound a little new to you, these words – Sa-ha-ja – but all the yogas end up at the Union of your Being with your Attention. For example, you are listening to Me just now and your Attention is inside-out in the sense that you are watching Me outside. But if I say that you take your Attention from outside and put it inside from where you are listening to Me, can you do it? You can’t! This Attention goes outside of the Human Beings and that is the problem that we cannot take our Attention inside. That is the reason why our union with our Self is not established already. And, it has to be established! If you realise that there is someone within us who is watching us all the time, who is noticing everything that we do; the one who is inside us and the one which looks outside but we cannot go to that personality or that entity or that Being – there is a gap between us and that personality. That personality is called in the various scriptures as Spirit, as Atma. People have talked about it and told that we have to manifest our Spirit means our Attention should become one with that Spirit. It has been said by every scripture. Every one of them has talked about us, that once our Attention meets that Spirit that is we are really ourselves, that Self, then we are reborn and that is the Self Realisation. Now those who talked about it and told about it are even till today are respected and listened to. And people do not know that if it is true or not but there is one thing that makes them still believe very clearly because whatever they achieve in life, whatever they get in life they do not feel that they have had their fulfilment. They cannot explain why they are born, why they have achieved this Human personality, from amoeba to this personality why they have come up and what is their fulfilment? Unless and until that state-of-mind comes in, we can never be satisfied about it. The dissatisfaction can be expressed or manifested by many other things, which we see in everyday life. For modern people, say of the Western life, we know there are tensions, there are all kinds of problems as you can call them. Nobody seems to be happy with ones-Self because the Self has not yet manifested. This is a fact! Now this is a fact from the scriptures but we have to also see the scientific part of it because modern man is more sort of, influenced by science than by scriptures. Some of them have even discarded the scriptures saying this is all nonsense, it is all mythical, superstition, we should not believe in it, it is all absolutely false. So, the time has come for us to see and find out and experiment – whether what they have said is true or false. Whether they tried to befool us or there is truth in it or not! But we must see it scientifically. But the trouble with Human Beings, I have seen, is this: that spiritually when somebody says something they do not question anything about it and just accept it as it is! And because of this kind of hankering and deep search within us, people have committed mistakes, which you will realise gradually when you will experiment with your Self. Now, as a scientist we have to approach this subject in a very open way, very open-mindedness. A scientist has to keep his mind open because he’s groping in the dark. He doesn’t know what is in this room: he comes in dark conditions, he touches some parts and he says, "This is this, this is this, this is this." But he is not sure whether it is this or a little more or a little less, how it is integrated, how it is built-in, how it is positioned compared to each other. He has no idea so he keeps his mind absolutely open. So, first thing we have to do is to keep our minds open. Absolutely open! At this time when I say something you are not to accept Me also but you have not to deny Me. The hypothesis that I put before you, whether it is true or not, is to be verified by you. But you should not build up a barrier because it is a Happening that takes place. And, that Happening will not take place if you have such barriers in your mind. It’s a very Subtle Happening. It’s a very, very Beautiful Happening. But for that Subtle Happening, the atmosphere has to be within yourself such that you are open, absolutely open and you allow yourself to be engulfed into that experiment. Now this is a hypothesis and this is what I’m going to put forward before you: that the body that we see here is not the end of man, this body is not everything that you know very well. We have got apart from this body, our mental capacities, apart from that we have got our emotional capacities and also we have spiritual capacity otherwise how will we hanker after this search of the unknown? There must be something within us, which makes us go and find what is beyond, what is there. So, the hypothesis here is – it's too low for some people, I don’t know if they can see? Raise it. Can you see here? – Now, the hypothesis is like this: that the undercurrents of energies that work in our being are three: one, two and three, and the fourth one is the outcome of the activity of these things. So, we have got four energies within us working. Now, the one I am saying, whatever we achieved is our Central Nervous System. For example, an amoeba becomes a Human Being, so whatever he has achieved in his evolution is manifested in his Central Nervous System. So, the Human Beings, whatever they have achieved in their evolution is manifested in their Central Nervous System. But, these three systems that we have got here, you can see them clearly, have got three channels: one, two and three. Now, the first channel that is here in the Human Beings as I have shown you, this one, is for the existence of Matter, is for the existence of Man. This energy gives you the power to exist and when this energy is withdrawn then the destruction takes place and a person dies. So, this is the energy, which we can call as the Existence of Lower Aspects, which gives us this energy to exist. Now, when I say God, then immediately you will become unscientific. But just for hypothesis, we do not mind having Him there, you see? So, we can say that this Aspect of Existence, that He has to exist and that aspect of God is expressed in the Human Beings in this way. Now the other aspects of God which is created by which He has created universes after universes, by which He has created this world and by which He has created all the five elements to create this Earth, and the Air and Sun and all these Stars; which are actually representing our physical being and our mental being. So this one, is the One, is the Existence, is the Desire to Exist and that’s why this is the emotional side or the emotional energy that exists within us, which sustains our Emotional side. So, the left side is the Emotional side and the right side is our Physical and our Mental capacities. Now the Central one, the one in the centre here, which you see here clearly, is the one, which is the Evolutionary [process – Parasympathetic canal]. By this third energy we evolved. Why not? The scientists ask themselves, "How do we evolve? How a little amoeba became a human being?" Then the second question should be, "Why?" These two questions, we can answer in Sahaja. This Evolutionary process has shown here the development of human being, of evolution, as far as it is shown in the picture. Actually, it is even higher as far as the Channel is concerned. But these centres are also created in the Human Being, which you can see are seven in number: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. But these centres are the basic seven centres. There are many more. Now, these centres are representing the forces on which all these act – this acts into here, this acts into here and this is also acting. These centres are in the Subtle form, are placed, below this are placed and in our Spinal Cord. And you can, when you come for the programs later on, there are so many more I have seen it, you can see the pulsation on these centres when the Kundalini rises. Now, which is the Kundalini? Is this! Now what is the Kundalini, is here in the pink colour, you can see here. Now what is the Kundalini? Kundalini is a residual force. When the Desire by God, what you call, when the Pingala is created, when a human being becomes a foetus, the remaining energy in that comes our and stays here, into this triangular [bone]. This is the germinating force. This is the one, is the Mother, who gives us the rebirth. This is the instrument God has made within us for our evolution. It has been made. We have been already blessed by God, I call it 'God' but you may call Him 'nature' or everything whatever suits you. By Him, He has very nicely put all these energies within us and through these energies only we get our evolved. Now in the gross – this is the subtle form as I have told you that you cannot see, they exist in the spinal cord – but in the gross outside they are expressed as this one, as the Left Sympathetic Nervous System, this as the Right Sympathetic Nervous System and this one as the Parasympathetic Nervous System. Now the doctors will tell you that they know very, very little about this nervous system, especially they call it Autonomous Nervous System. Now who is this 'auto'? They do not know, they cannot explain but they are very honest, they said, "We cannot say why this is 'auto'." But that’s the best way you can shut up your mind, saying, "This is 'auto', works on its own and we cannot explain it." Now this central one, of course, the Parasympathetic, they say, "We do not know anything about it, not much about it and it is beyond our control." Now, what is beyond your control can be understood this way: that when there is an emergency, supposing we start running fast, then these two can come into play. Supposing say, supposing you are running fast, emotionally you are attached to something and you are running fast for that. Both of them will come into play and the heartbeat will increase but the decrease of the heartbeat or the settling back of the heartbeat is only possible through the manifestation of the Parasympathetic. That, we cannot, we cannot do it. It happens spontaneously within itself. Now the happening that has to take place for our rebirth is that this Kundalini has to rise from here, go through these chakras, these centres, these subtle centres, which are the centres of the energy fields within ourselves and integrate them. Integrate all of them and pass through this place and open them to the subtle energies that are present in the atmosphere, which we call as the All-Pervading Power. This energy rises spontaneously. You cannot force it to rise. There are many here who have seen it pulsating here very much. They have seen also its rising so you can also see after sometime, you will also be able to see. Now, this has to rise. Now, this energy understands, thinks, coordinates. While it is rising, these are our different planes: physical, emotional and all these. It passes through all these planes and gives us a complete integrated personality first of all. Secondly, it gives us a feeling of hollowness. We become absolutely thoughtless within ourselves. There is no thought, which invades us because when it rises it reduces this. And this [left and right sympathetic systems], and these are the two places from where you get the thoughts from. This one is the Ego [right side] and you must have heard about him, Mr. Ego sitting on us, it is very great and colossal, and this is the, another side of it [left side], which we call as the Superego. Now those who are here, psychiatrists know, they must be knowing, this is all because whatever past has been within us, all of our conditionings are here and this is all whatever is our future, and all our dominating nature is there, what we want to dominate. All that is built here. So, the Ego and the Superego both of them, in childhood, if you remember, they close the Fontanelle bone area in the head. When that area is closed, we become Mr. So, Mr. So and Mr. So. You get separated and this I-ness comes into you. That is why we call it [Self Realisation] a Baptism. This is the real Baptism, not that any Dick, Tom and Harry taking the baby and saying, "All right, you are Baptised, you are cured." Baptism is only possible if the person, who is Realised and who knows how to awaken the Kundalini. So, it is undoubtedly proved that it is a spontaneous happening, a living happening, like a germ coming out of a seed. You cannot force it. You cannot rationalise it. It just works out because it has to be! But a person who is already sort of entitled or you can say a lamp which is enlightened or a candle which is enlightened, can enlighten other lamps. It enlightens according to the lamps they are. It doesn’t give them anything, doesn’t take anything from them but enlightens the power that lies within them. In the same way a person who is enlightened can do it but not all enlightened people. Because even if their Kundalini has reached this much, they are not that much enlightened to give Realisation because they do not understand what are the problems. Sometimes the Kundalini may rise or may just get obstructed, may not push through. If you have a liver trouble it won’t push it through. It will just be here and all the time you will find the liver here, the pulsation will be there. If you have some other problem also the Kundalini would be somewhere there, may go down. Some of you have a funny Kundalini, I have seen which rises up and again comes down. You pull it up and again it comes down, goes on forever and ever with something. So, you have problems and this Kundalini is the one, which first nourishes and cleanses all your centres. Like when we have, say, a temple, we have to first clean it before putting the deity in it. In the same way this Kundalini rises. Now for this, what is the scientific proof of this? Scientific proof of this is that you can see with your naked eyes that the pulsation of the Kundalini as it rises. You can see it passing through all this. You can see with your naked eyes. There are many who can say that they have seen and you can feel when it crosses this centre, which is a very important centre, you can feel that a person has become absolutely thoughtlessly aware. When it crosses this point then you feel that the person starts emitting a kind of a cool energy from inside. Maybe, in the beginning it may be hot, it may be a little tingling; that is a sign that there’s something wrong here and here. So, the signs come on your fingers. I don’t know if the doctors have found out or not? They find out many things, which these sages have found out long time back. But, I don’t know if they have found out or not that these fingers, all these fingertips and all these are the endings, the nerve endings of the Sympathetic Nervous System. So, on these fingers you can feel the different chakras being hampered or injured or obstructed. You can feel them on your fingers. When a person who is Realised, he places his hand towards the person who is to be Realised, immediately he will know this is caught up. That means this is the heart, there’s some problem with his mother also and something wrong with his father also. So, when the Kundalini rises it will immediately give sustenance in that part and such a person may find next day that his pace maker is obsolete! Now I have to tell you also that through this method, I have told you many-a-times, again I am telling you that through only Sahaja Yoga that cancer is going to be cured. There’s no other way out. Whether people like it or not that’s the only way cancer is going to be cured. We have cured cancer and we have shown results even in this country. But we are not out to cure people. That’s not the job. That’s nor our job and neither we are interested in the thing otherwise we’ll get hundred cancer patients for Me and I’ll be finished. That’s not the point. The point is we have to create doctors. We have to create the people who are evolved. We have to have people who have achieved their Self Realisation because that is the breakthrough that all of you deserve and you must have it. Without that you can never be happy. You will never feel your fulfilment. Once this happens and then on your fingers you feel the energy flowing and you feel absolutely peaceful within and, absolutely tranquil, all your sleeping problems will go away, your health problems will go away. You will have good health but apart from that you will feel really near the Divine and the Divine starts flowing through you. Because when it opens from all over the Grace starts flowing and you start seeing it, feeling it within you like a beautiful stream is flowing down. And, the whole thing absolutely dissolves into that stream of joy. Now the Spirit that I talked of is in the heart here. It’s not shown here but in the left-hand side of the heart, the Spirit resides. But the Spirit here is actually the manifestation of the deity here of Sadashiva, which is the Spirit here. So, when the Kundalini touches here, this is like a seat and from there the Spirit gets enlightened. And once they get Spirit enlightened these vibrations that start flowing from your hand are the vibrations of the manifestation of that Spirit. This is what happens actually, in this Happening of Sahaja Yoga. Now ‘Sa-ha-ja’ – ‘Sa-ha’ means ‘with’, ‘Ja’ means ‘born’ – it is born with you. It is born with your, means it is your birth right to get this and that it is within you. It’s all built-in. It is all within you and some people are surprised, are amazed that how is it just after Realisation we can start feeling everybody’s chakras and we can start feeling everybody’s Kundalini rising. Now one thing we must understand as this is the evolutionary process, it does not have to bother about what so-called religions you follow or what so-called countries you belong to or to what so-called races you are. Supposing some fishes have to evolve, nobody went and saw what sort of shoals they were in. It’s just a chance that you are in England, you could have been in Timbuktu; you could have been anywhere. I mean, God never thought of you, dividing you according to these countries. It’s only the man that has made this mad-maps and things like that. For a person like Me, I don’t understand, I can’t understand why should I carry a passport with Me, like a criminal all the time showing them My number and everything. After all, the whole world is created by one God and why should there be a problem like that? So, Kundalini is not bothered about that: what race you come from, what things, but it does matter what kind of life you have. Supposing Hitler comes to Me and says, "Mother you have to give me Realisation otherwise I’ll put you in the gas chamber." I’ll tell him, "You better put Me because I just cannot", you see. This is, this is the thing! So, you cannot demand and ask for it, it has to work out. As it is I have told you, it’s a very Subtle happening and once you get it, you’ll loose it also, specially in the West because in the West they get it very fast. I have seen many people get it just like that (Shri Mataji snaps Her fingers) but they loose it also very fast because of so many problems that they have created for themselves. Some of the problems are like this: that we are, have been victims about it, that we have organised even God, we have ideas about God. We have ideas about everything. We have organised and tried to organise everything and we have preconceived ideas about the Truth, about everything which you do not know at all. Once you will get it you will be amazed, you will think that you have never known that there is such a subtle power, all pervading, which works in such a, such a way. Because, as soon as you get your Self Realisation you’ll get into the State of Collective Consciousness. And that is a state, which is described by many psychiatrists and persons like Jung. Whether he was true or not, the time has come for you to see that you become Collectively Conscious. You start feeling the Kundalini of others, you start raising the Kundalini of others and you are amazed that only by one sitting you got it. But remember that as we have committed lots of mistakes, one of them is guru-shopping. Guru-shopping is a craze and you cannot shop [for] a guru! That is absolutely to be understood that you cannot pay for this. You cannot pay! It’s insulting. It’s absolutely, I would say, is childish and stupid to think that you can pay for your Realisation. Anybody who has taken money from you is a sinister fellow no doubt but you are being stupid to pay him; that you think that you can pay. He’s just satisfying your ego. So, this kind of a thing, especially Americans are really guru-shoppers. I tell you their style is so much, that they have built up a mechanism by which they go on shopping here, here, here, here. Even when they come to Sahaja Yoga, they are just still moving in the same way you see. In the sheer inertia they are ruined. It is difficult to stop. Then another way I must tell you, your problems, some of them is that, that a mechanism has been built by too much rationality in the West. Too much rationality a mechanism is built that you ascertain everything. You start asserting even when you get vibrations, even when you get your ascent. Even when you start giving Realisation to others, still you try to see, asserting. Now I must tell you one thing very frankly, this brain of yours is very limited. I’m talking about something unlimited and something very fantastic. You cannot reach there with these limited brains because as I said, that now you have come by car. You had to leave your car outside to come into the hall. In the same way you’ll have to leave this small little brain outside to enter into that subtle area. You cannot do it! So those who try to ascertain it and to rationalise it will always loose it but those who will experience it more and more, they will go deeper into it. But with rationality you will understand everything. You’ll understand that, "Yes, it is happening!" For example, we had an example of a gentleman who is a intellectual. You see, they have a very similar people, very big intellectual, very well-read gentleman. He came to Me and he didn’t know you see, he was quite amazed at it, how can it be? So, according to whatever I had told him, the decoding of it, the concepts, I was decoding. When I told him that, "If you get any heat on these inner things, you should know that it’s with your father because this is right hand and here are your parents." So, he was feeling some heat, he was feeling for his father. Just to see how his condition is, just thought of it. And he started getting burning here. Now this is the centre, is here, and that is throat trouble. So, he telephoned to his father to find out, the father is far out and he telephones there and, he found out that he was sick in bed and had very bad bronchitis. So, he went home (unclear). It’s a fact! It’s not a thing and tales. There have been never tales like this. But actually, the problem was to understand these people who were such great incarnations and such great personalities was very difficult for people who are not yet Realised. This is what I realised the day I was born on this Earth – and I knew that this is the problem, that nobody will understand people who are Realised if they themselves are not Realised. And this is the biggest problem! Now Hatha Yoga for example, now you all must have read about Hatha Yoga. I was amazed that people are doing the physical exercises. Now how can that be yoga, you just tell me? It is just a physical science. 'Yoga' means 'spiritual meeting with the God'. Now it has nothing to do with physical, only the physical part of it. On the contrary if you have done too much of (Hatha) yoga it will stand against you because you have paid too much attention only to your physical being and neglected the other side so there is an imbalance. But we work it out. You will be amazed all Hatha yogis are, all have a pull on the heart because they have extracted all the energies of the physical side and you have given a strain to the heart. Now, it’s very interesting to know that when you do physical exercises you get heart trouble. But when you do your emotional exercise too much or you are emotionally attached to someone then you get a brain collapse or you can say a person becomes mad, a lunatic. Just imagine, just the opposing controlling forces are making you crazy. There are many other such interesting things you will discover and you will be amazed how God has made you so beautiful, just for this, for this special occasion. – You have been born again and again for this occasion only and you have to have it. You have to get it. – If you do not get it the time is coming for the last sorting out. Then nobody is going to talk about Self Realisation, nobody is going to work on you; it will be just sorting out. And whatever is said in all the scriptures is absolute truth and complete truth and I can verify it for you. Once you get your Realisation, you can see for yourself. So, the time has come for you to be convinced, absolutely, scientifically, and not only just talking. Hatha Yoga, as you know, ultimately is this but for that they used a method by which they cleansed and the only children from about five years of age were taken for Hatha Yoga. They lived a, absolutely a celibate life; there was ya-ma, nee-ma, tap-ya, ha-ra and you must have heard about all these things. 'Ishwara-pari-hara' means 'you have to establish God'. It is, these deities are there; these are the God’s aspects, which are to be established. All these things were to be done in a complete celibate condition. Apart from that you had to be with a Realised soul who was a guru. I mean there was never a guru who was accepted who was not a Realised soul. I mean this is only a modern special that anybody, any Dick, Tom and Harry who gets out of the jail, he doesn’t know where to go in the society, runs away as a guru, wears some dress and he’s there, very nicely collecting money from you and then building houses after houses. If you see his private life, it will be worse than you hundred times. This is all nonsense. Whatever is truth, has to be verified, has to be found out and it must have some sort of a commonness among all. But in these gurus, they have no connection with the scriptures, they have no connection with God, nothing. They are just connected with you through your purse, that’s all. They just want to know how much money you have got. So, all these guru-shopping also goes against it and there are people I have seen, if you say a word against their gurus, they will kill you. They will get so angry that sometimes I feel they’ll come and murder Me. But if you ask them, "My child, what did your guru give you? Did you get anything out of your guru?" They’ll say, "Yes, we got a lot of peace" and you find all their chakras are wobbling. After three months you’ll find them sitting before you rattling, completely, just like a gentle car, the one who has done this. So many of them are like that. They live in myths. What you have to get is Collective Consciousness, which is called in the Sanskrit language, Samoohik Chetana, it is written all over. Now if you have to listen to anyone you go read Adi Shankaracharya, He was the last word, in His book Vivekachudamani. There are so many books, so many books, which have written about this, who have talked about it in India. But you read tantrikas. These sinister, horrible, sinful people, how can they depict? What is their life? You go and see these tantrikas: they have ten wives, they have fifteen kids, so many, their mistresses. Are these the people who can talk of God and religious things? So, we have to keep ourselves open and understand that a person who is not even holy and righteous cannot talk of God and of this awakening. This is the last that has to happen to us because by this we are going to know God and we are going to know ourselves. And that Self is going to tell us all about Me. These vibrations start emitting from your hand. Now any absolute questions you want to ask, you can ask XYZ. It is like I always say that you are like a computer, all built-in very nicely and beautifully and you just get connected with the mains. Then your machine starts working. Now you ask any questions, say if you ask the question, "Is there God?", immediately you will find tremendous vibrations start flowing but if you ask if this guru has anything to do with religion or God, immediately your vibrations will stop. Maybe you might get terrible tingling's in the hands, like a patient who is suffering from very bad diseases. Anybody who is suffering from a disease also will get the same. Like in Puna we had some people you see, they said that, they got very angry and I never, people did not tell me they were angry with me. They said, "We’ll not give Her the room because She’s not a Brahmin." Now, who is a Brahmin? The one who is Realised is a Brahmin. But they said, "She’s not a Brahmin so we will not give Her the hall." But later on, they hashed it up and I didn’t know. But while talking in the program only I said, "Among you who are the Brahmins, please come forward." Just like that I said. Five/six of them came and sat before Me and I said, "All right please put your hands towards Me." Their hands started shaking like this. I said, "Why are you all hands shaking?" And they got a fright! They said, "Mother, you are the Shakti, that is why our hands are shaking." I said, "If I am a Shakti everybody’s hands should shake. Why yours are shaking while others are very happy, they are getting cool breeze? Why your hands are shaking so much?" Then there were some other people sitting, I said they are also shaking, their hands. So I said, "Ask them from where are they?" They were from lunatic asylum. So I said, "Now you see, where are you [from], are you Brahmins or lunatic asylum? And they are also from lunatic asylum, so you are in the same boat." That’s how you can relatively find out. So, this is how you can find out as to what is the problem is. But for that I have to tell you again that do not, in anyway, condemn yourself. Because the glorious of glorious of things in this world is a Human Being. The highest of the highest that God has created is a Human. The greatest of greatest knowledge in this world is of a Human Being. The most beautiful joyous life that somebody is going to enjoy is the Human Life. So, you are Human Being so, please do not condemn yourself. Because if I start pressing your ego too much, then, "Don’t do like this, don’t do", then you start crying and weeping and say, "Oh, Mother, we are so bad, how will You cleanse us; we are so horrid, how will it happen?" I mean, both ways are wrong. We have to be in the centre and you don’t have to worry as to how life or what life you have led or what life you have to have but just stand in the centre, in the present. In this present time wherever you are, just now you are facing Me, that’s all. So please do not condemn yourself. That’s a fashion these days among young people especially. They condemn themselves. I’ve seen some people condemning themselves because Britishers were ruling in India. Now they have gone somewhere else. You are very good people. You are born here. Why are you blaming yourself for that and which Britishers have ruled is gone past! There are some people who are weeping I have seen that, because, "Our forefathers had a war" or something like that. I mean all nonsensical things like that. Some people are there who have had a heart, a heartbreak with their fiancé and things, we have some of them with us. All the time they are crying, "We had a problem like this." Now, forget it! You are not going to waste your life on one person like that. You must evaluate yourself. You must find out! You are not that useless thing that is going to waste on some small little emotional attachment to something. Know you are very great! Just find out for yourself. Evaluate yourself how great you are! Your greatness outside has no meaning unless there’s greatness inside. And, just find out! Some people, I have seen, very great people, Presidents, this. My husband’s life is such that I meet all of them you see, and I find sometimes none of them are going to get Realisation. I get a real pain, a concern in my heart and see these people are riding such fast horses what is going to happen to them? When are they going to realise that they, if there is too much of a success on our heads, and you have to come down a little bit to understand Me? So, there are people of that kind. It is not the outside but the inside success is to be sought. And those who are seekers, Seekers of Truth are not seeking outside. They are seeking inside which has to be granted by God if He has to keep His creation. He’s not going to destroy you. Another point, which I must tell you about this Kundalini is that, there are books, I have seen such big, big books written down about Kundalini. And as I have sometimes said, they are all rumble-tumble because if you pay any attention to them you would never come to My program. They give such horrid experiences about Kundalini but so far in India, in America and all these places, I must have given realisation to, I don’t know how many, thousands. Not one person had that trouble that is described in these books. Actually, those people who try to play about with Kundalini without understanding its holiness, it’s the aspect of Motherhood. They try to play with sex and all nonsense. There only such a problem arises that when you bring sex in religion. Sex is for your married life, auspicious thing, man and woman, for human life and not for evolution. You cannot rise through your sex. This is something absurd! We can understand scientifically. Who does more sex than the animals! Are they going to go to God or we are going to go to God? By doing sex, if you are going to go to God that is the easiest thing human beings can do. This is an absurd idea and not only that but it’s extremely insulting that you put your sex on your Mother. So those gurus, those gurus who try this are really, actually satanic. But those who play into their hands also suffer. And ultimately, you will see that because when the Kundalini rises you will see the results there and you have to correct it. This is a wrong idea! You have to have a holy and a very righteous attitude towards your Kundalini because She is your Mother. What Freud had said, is all nonsense which has no meaning because he was an absurd man, his mother was an absurd woman, he’s absurd like that! Mostly these people also, psychiatrists, I’ve met very big large number of them. They also have been dealing only with pathology, pathological cases, absolutely absurd cases and they generalise it. I mean, how many of you feel that way about your mother? It is such a nonsense that he has talked and people believe in him. It’s a pathological case. He has never dealt with normal people; he himself was pathological. So, this is sex plays its own part as far as the husband/wife relationship is concerned and I’m not saying sex is wrong, not at all! On the contrary it is the most sacred thing for husband and wife to indulge into sex, and it is the thing that is being sanctioned, blessed by Collective Consciousness because in all churches, in all temples, in all religions, all people have blessed marriages. Not only that but some of the deities were married; some of the incarnations were married. So, sex is not to be condemned. Not to be condemned, not at all! On the contrary we must understand its beauty, its sacredness and its importance. We should also know that through sex you cannot go because you have to become mature and, as children are, they are not conscious of it. When the Kundalini rises you will realise that, you will really have a feeling as if you are a child. It’s a child-like thing because you are reborn-as-a-child. That’s why Christ has said that you have to be like children if you have to enter into the Kingdom of God. If cyou have to enter into the Kingdom of God we have to be like children when we have come for Kundalini Awakening. And, it happens automatically because this is the centre here, which is controlling the sex, and it is below the Kundalini. And as soon as the Kundalini rises it closes down and this is the centre, which is the centre of where the Deity of Innocence resides. And this centre, the Innocence Centre we can call it, immediately gives us that Sense of Innocence when the Kundalini is rising. Many people have lost their innocence in this way. (End recording 2/2)

11/13/1978

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Evolution Beyond organised Religion

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Evolution Beyond organized Religion, public programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 13 November 1978. (Partial transcription: second and third parts = tapes entitled "1978-1113-2-Cont'd-Q&A-Caxton Hall" and "1978-1113-3 Realization." First part is missing.) …experience it is, it just starts mesmerizing you. And this is the greatest faltering point. You have to mature. And it is not like this, that, like a toothpaste, I say, “All right, [you’ve] got this toothpaste. Your teeth will be shining.” It’s not like that, because you have problems; you are complicated. You must know you are complicated. And the Kundalini though it catches, you see, first time it will shoot up and come here. She is so happy that She has got you to this state. She is so anxious. She is your mother and She wants to give you realization, and She wants you to be happy. You do catch. It comes, connects, but again goes back. Supposing you are a liver patient. Most of you are liver patients because of the paths. If you are a liver patient, poor thing the Kundalini, your Mother has to go there, work out there and you can actually see with your own eyes the Kundalini pulsating. You can see the pulsation and you know. Now, even if you are not a doctor you can tell anybody you are suffering from liver very serious, [unclear: you wouldn't have gone to a doctor]. So many problems have come to us through our thoughts and even menopause. Yesterday I heard it. You know in India there is nothing like menopause. No one knows what it is. We do not have all these problems of what you call that generation gap. People don’t know what is generation gap. It’s a continuous life of people there, there must be generation. They [don’t talk] about it, you see, and they do not understand what is adolescence, you see. They do not understand all this. This is all created by you, by thinking, thinking about it. You see, a person who has got a brain, you see, it’s a devil’s workshop. It must be the adolescence, it must be this, that. Now why the women here get menopause because that’s very insecure old age; such a horrid thing. I mean, nobody should become old in this country, the way people are. And everybody is going to become old. Nobody doubts about it, do we? But the way they treat our old people and the way the old people, you know, get so insecure, they are so stupid poor people you know, they try to act like young. They are very stupid poor things; they have lost all, all sense of wisdom because they think big of themselves. We, the way we discard them, with the way we try to disrespect them, they start behaving like young people. I mean, I have seen women of eighty years [still] talking like sixteen-year-old girls, you know. [Unclear] I mean, I just don’t understand, what’s the matter with the women! The reason is that is how you can only live in this world. So, the menopause is lost if the woman knows, ‘’I am a grandmother.” I am a grandmother. I can live with my age and I am very proud of my age, of my wisdom, and that I know that I do better than my children. I’ve seen much more of life and can guide them much better and I am in my own age and my own way and I am enjoying it very much. Like in India we have four types of, we can say, the experiences. And this is my senior part of life; it’s the time when both of us, My husband and Me, should really live together, not in [the] separated ways, look after our children. Or we should really go to the forest and live with our grandchildren once we are there. Now we don’t have that facility. But it automatically works out. Imagine a sixty-year-old man talking of the marriage, or an eighty-year-old man talking of the marriage, or a thirteen-year-old boy also talking of the marriage. I mean, there is no maturity. There is no growth. You should grow. You should mature, and people should respect that maturity. Because of this kind of all the complications, these lazy minds or, I should say, the overactive minds, just are. You see this point. Cancer is the disease of the West [and] not of the East. I mean, people don’t know what is cancer, at all. In the whole ayurvedic Shastras there is no description of cancer. How the cancer is formed? By over-activity of thinking. Diabetes is also because of this ego. Heart trouble is because of this ego. Either they go mad or they get heart trouble ‒ one of the two those people who are. So they bear it up the oppression of people who are thinking too much. Because the one who thinks, he always dominates, “You must drive like this. You must go like that. You stand like that. You must sit like that. You must eat like that.” All the time worried about others, minding others, such a person will get a heart trouble. And the person – apart for us, you see, somebody gets a heart attack we are very uneasy – I mean, if you see, he actually, he doesn’t judge much of the things and the person whom he has dominated, and got this heart attack because God is angry. But the other person, poor thing, the one who suffers too much gets a madness and we, we laugh at mad people. Our attitude changes. Those who have gone mad have really suffered too much. And those who have heart trouble are the people who have dominated. All ego-oriented people get heart attack. Actually, we have to ask forgiveness from God that, “Oh God, please forgive us.” We have to appeal to His forgiveness if we have to avoid heart attack. Oh, but if I tell this to anyone who had heart attack, he’ll give Me a heart attack. I cannot say this to anyone that, “You are very ego-oriented and you have become routine. There’s no need for domination. Become humble in your heart. Become humble in your heart.” They’ll immediately get angry with Me because their aroused ego will come forward. They’ll say, “You are [Inaudible].” So, this kind of a thing they do. I would request you to understand the complications we have in the West. Now I am not facing an Indian talking. It’s all right for Me that is Eastern which is on the other side of it. Take it from Me, Eastern people have another problem, terrible problem they have, you see. And that is the different thing. Today I am facing you and that’s why I have to deal with 'your' problem as it is and see if, I have seen, if we can work it. I have gone into everybody’s Kundalini to find out what’s the problem with these people. And that’s how I found out. So, you have to humble down in your heart. If you have to evolve, really humble down in your heart. I’ve seen even the priests, even the people who try to preach, they are so ego-oriented. There is nothing like love in them. In their love also there is so much ego. See, love is full of good desire. It doesn’t emit. All these things are there and the responsibility for them goes to our over-use of our ego. We have used it for our [unclear: struggle/battle]. Because of use of ego, our intellect, we think we can manage. But don’t try to fight the ego. If you try to fight it will sit on your head. The same ego is supported because through this ego only you are tired. You are fed up with yourself and you are not going to venture. If there was not sufficient ego you would not have been like this on earth. So, you have felt it. Now you are going to manage it and it can be worked out. Not to hate yourself, because you have been egoistical. Because the another type would be – and we have some people who are another type, they are even worse. They are all the time crying and weeping, “Mother, I’ve committed this sin and that sin.” So going from this, this extreme to that extreme, is not needed. I’ve known many people who come and tell Me, “Mother, how can You cleanse me? I am such a sinner.” “Now who are you? You are coming to Me. If I am your Mother, then I will have to worry when you go near Me for you, "You just don’t worry. Don’t you worry about anything.” But still they go on. They write letters after letters to Me, such big letters saying what sins they have committed. Now what am I to do with these? This sin is finished and gone, because the sins are on this side, all of them, so-called sins which are all forgiven. They are to be forgiven. God is very kind. He is the ocean of forgiveness. He forgives you. If you ask for forgiveness He forgives. Even for asking He forgives you. up to this point This is one side, [which] is this side. The another side [right] is this side, is where some people get very much egoistical about it, and the another side [left] is where you feel very great pain. Both sides are useless. If the extremes are to be avoided, just surrender. Then you are in the centre and the whole thing opens out, the ego and superego. Ego and superego, both of them are sucked inside. And you become one with your Creator and feel the beauty of your being which is nothing but it’s joy, it’s truth, it’s that much, it’s love. And I told you love has very much these vibrations, are nothing but they are love. If you touch anybody, he feels the love. If you touch anybody, he feels the love. It’s the love. Your talk and even thinking is very together. And like that you will be able to change this world, this society which has to get all its transformation into a newer society in which you will have no race, no religion – so-called religions ‒ no dividing countries. God never made all these nations or anything. He just created this earth, just that. Then we, the great thinkers, you see, wished and divided this one into different lands and then we call this as India, that as England and that [all]. And then very nicely, with all our people we started fighting. Then we had wars. See, not basically human beings. So best thing is not to worry any more about that part and not to blame yourself. Now I know there are some people who have the impression to feel guilty, very much more guilt, but there’s nothing to feel guilty about. Both things are nothing but extremes. You have to just take your realization and you have to be universal. This is a very simple thing. Now… Seeker: Can I ask you a question, please? Can I ask you a few questions, please? Shri Mataji: Yes. Seeker: First of all, one has nothing to do with the other. First one is that You’d like me to get realization I’ve seen and You mentioned so. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. Seeker: Now, I would like to think for a while that people must be at different stages of realization at the moment. People must be in different stages of spiritual consciousness. Therefore, is it possible for them not to feel, to have visions about that but not to be aware of it? Shri Mataji: Not to be…? Seeker: Not themselves to be aware of this state of mind. Shri Mataji: There are many realized souls like this in this country… Seeker: In other words, yes…. Shri Mataji: There are many realized souls in this country. You see, I have seen many realized. We had one, is William Blake. Blake is a realized soul. And, but you see, these realized souls are suffering further all their life through those who are not, are young and are cruel. But there are some people who did suffer from this point of view. There are realized souls, and they are different types, and they are aware of it that they are realized and they are [unclear]. But they do not raise. They touch somebody and the person gets cured. So, they think this is some spirit it has given. Or they do not know how to become. They don’t know what they have done. They have no idea about what is inside them, how it has worked. They have no idea. I mean, there are two types of curing, curing people also. One type, who deals with the spirits; it’s a wrong thing. This one is wrong. But another type is by this power, only they have it. There are many realized souls in this country and many realized souls are born in this country. This is a specially blessed country. But the problem with them is that they do not know anything. They are just aware that they are different from others, you see, that they are a different type, that they are awakened people, that they are aware. But they are not master of the knowledge, you see? Seeker: Exactly. Shri Mataji: So, the thing is that they have to become master. They have to know each and everything. And I am going to tell you all the secrets. Everything I am going to tell you, through why you should have this feeling that you should know what you have got, what is your property, how to deal with it. You are naive about it. So, the whole knowledge has to be whole for you to know how is to be achieved, that's [unclear: variety/guaranty]. And there are many like that. But they have a problem, as I said once, that, that you see, they got this Self-realization without even knowing. It’s very hard for them to believe that they can really get that state within. Secondly, when they were born-realized, you see, there were different people from the society, most of them. So, they were attacked. They were never liked by others, and people thought they were rude, different type, and all that. They were calling them, you see, mad people and all that. So, they developed a cynicism. And this cynicism gives a funny type of reaction towards everyone, even towards fear. I found that. And they come round, but they first of all waste their precious energy before they come. So also, they come forth because of this cynicism, you see, and they, because you see, you develop a mechanism by which – cynicism is nothing but a mechanism ‒ by which you face the world. Then when you come before Me also, you face Me in the same way. It’s a mechanism that is built in. So, I would say that for them, I am here; they are there. Should we agree at all, at all, this would be a problem. And they are here for this purpose. So, there is nothing to be feared. It’s a very good thing, and accept Me to be your master to cure you, you see. Now, what is the second question? Seeker: The second question is that as I always [unclear: used to…]. And that’s a free process in [unclear: …such actions…] keeps around you. Certainly [unclear: our actions…]. Could You do? And don’t ask… Shri Mataji: No. There also, the same path is there, Buddhism. You see, Buddha, Buddha also had His realization through Sahaja Yoga only. His Kundalini rose and he got His realization, enlightenment, as you say. But Buddha is a different style of personality which was created specially for this purpose. He is the one who conquers His ego within Himself. [unclear: His vibrations… we should say,] are from this side. Because if you see the ego is on the other side. So, Buddha’s position is about here. So, He stays there and He is there. Now Buddhist people, that's the difficulty also, Buddhists are the same, Christians are the same, Hindus are the same and even then what you call the Zen style is the same. All of them are just the same style. None of them are now good, none of them were then [realized]. There were many Christians who were realized souls. I’ve read some books and I could see that they were realized souls, but they were ill-treated by the Christians who were 'in charge' of the Church. There are Hindus who were realized souls. Even, you see all the Shankaracharya’s, we have, are now disciples, are not [realized souls]. All the Shankaracharya's are not good, except for one who was there, but he was taken out. He is taken out. You see, anybody who is a realized is thrown out. They are afraid because they are challenged. You see, these organizations are run by people who are people who have no faith. So, I have not met one person I have been to, say. I will tell you the name of the greatest of Buddhist leaders is Thich Nhat Hanh, and the another one is Dalai Lama. I have met both of them. They have been sitting next to Me and telling Me all this. Both of them are not realized. They are possessed. What can we do? They are. But they begin listening to Me. The things that they tell you about, it’s not realization. Realized persons talk to Me differently. Let’s say that a realized person talks in this way that his interests are different. Let’s say, for example, I can quote Kabir. Kabir says, [Hindi] “I get twenty-five of them together and put them into one's head." This is the mind of a realized soul, like that. He thinks of the collective consciousness. But these people will say that, “We will know who is going to be the next Lama.” Who cares who is going to be the next Lama, you see, whosoever may be? They see all these things. Their third eye is nothing but a devil, is telling them that, "One should be the Lama." Do you know that poor country of Tibet is squatted completely by these people. They live like lords and today even they are given alms. And you’ll be amazed, sometimes [unclear]. So, keep yourself open. I am just telling you the one who is Buddhist can be quite dangerous, as dangerous as any Hindus, or Muslims or anyone, who have even got lot of the [unclear: …obtaining such things] until, you’ll be amazed. The other day we had a girl from Italy and there is a Buddhist who has come to Bombay. He wrote to them that, “We don’t touch, you see, anything but a marble floor. So, you put marble floor for us.” They couldn’t imagine, for an ascetic who was willing to have a marble floor. Ascetics should be able to sleep on the streets. They must have a marble floor! So poor these young people, you see, in the foreign, places in the Western countries, where there is only much naivety. Their parents won’t be much delighted They worked hard for one year and collected money to fulfil his desire, worked for this horrible parasite, this [unclear]. And what did he do, do you know? He makes them bow to him one thousand [times], one thousand [times]. And one of them, a person felt tired that she has lost the conscious because you see, it was too much. This is what they do. But how will you know if they are true or not? Not by any finding, by their talking. They can talk very big. They can be very great speakers. Still it is coming to [unclear]. But how they can give you realization, or whether they are true or not? And for your benevolence and for your growth you take your realization first and then you can see. Do not criticize Me because I am telling you this. I have to tell you the truth. I am not here for any position. I am telling you the truth, and you will know the truth yourself when you’ll realize with your vibrated awareness. Immediately, you’ll know. Now, I will give you a simple example. My granddaughter, she’s about five years of age and she was feeling the vibrations more and there was a lama sitting there with his head was shaved and with, what you call, a maxi was wearing and was sitting down. And everybody was touching his feet. Even my son-in-law went and touched his feet. My daughter also touched. Now this girl couldn’t bear it. She went and pushed the “holy man”. She said, “What do you mean? Only by shaving your head and wearing this kind of a dress you cannot make others touch your feet. You are not a realized soul.” Five-year-old girl just told him off. And it is only possible if you are really realized and you have full conviction. Even a small little child can do that. They will immediately say what is catching in you. You have seen that little girl who is My granddaughter. She was telling everyone, “This is catching, that is catching, that is catching”; even a two-year-old little granddaughter. It is a fact. So, you become that in Sahaja Yoga. Now do not decide because you see here the problem is Christianity was a headache for these people. They realized that Christianity was nonsense and these churches were nonsense. So, they took to anything that they know, Buddhism, they took to Hinduism, they took to another “ism”. None of these "isms" have worked. Take it from Me. All of them are nothing but organizations, just like your church. Some of them are even worse, especially the Hindu temples where you can go and purchase Ganga. If you have to purchase Ganga in India it is not very good. So, what do you think? The Ganges River was angry because of that [unclear: bad name]. Horrible people, I tell you. In the name of religion, in the name of God they have bhoots on. We have one gentleman here; he was going to a lama in Tibet. Where is he from? Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: He was beaten up by them. They talk of love; they’ll beat him up. They had some priests; they are sadists, I tell you. And then he said, “I had no money. So, they, they used me for beating up.” Very nice. "They said, 'Those who have no money should work or should accept beatings, or those who have money should give money'.” Is this Buddhism, by any chance? Have you done any [unclear: restriction]? Actually, you’ll be amazed, in all these organizations Buddha Himself is angry and He is going to come down on them. With all these organizations which run after Christ, Christ Himself is angry. [unclear: They killed Him]. Now think of yourself; now you are a gentleman. You think like this that supposing you have founded something and the people are doing just the opposite towards what you have founded. Then how furious you are going to be? In the same way all these deities are [angry]. So, for every open-minded man it is necessary to forgive and forgive all. Just forgive all. If I had seen any sense anywhere, I wouldn’t bother. Now you’ll be surprised [saying that] Zen is such a great thing. Zen is nothing but meditation! In Sahaja Yoga only if you read Zen that there were only twenty-six kashapa, only twenty-six realized souls. But the Zen, the head of the Zen I have met, and he is not a realized. Now what should I do? Should I not tell you this? If they were realized I would really have gone, even climb to them. You wouldn’t believe, I have gone to see realized souls. Seven miles I have climbed. And I have met very great people, but they are hiding themselves. They do not want to come to the cities, to avoid the very bad time they faced. They do not want to be gurus because they think you will crucify them. If you have crucified Christ, they don’t know what you are going to do. Already they have suffered. These are all money-making propositions and there will be surrounding the cities, [unclear: near]. In some way people harm the Spirit. It’s only I who has ventured to come down and tell you the truth. And I would say you stand by the truth. You’ll find it out. Do not deny it because I am saying this, but you just find it. You just find it. It is for your experience. Because why are you a loser for anything? After all, you are not identified with Buddha. You are not identified with Buddhist society or any society. You are identified with your Self to have the blessings of Sahaja Yoga. Achieve it for you. You have to achieve it for your own, and do not identify with any organizations. We are not going to finish our Self for anything like that. Because supposing, I agree you must have spent lot of time with that. Doesn’t matter. You are not going to miss it. That’s a good experience. When you’ll get another Buddhist society, then you’ll not like too much. Buddha if you know, you’ll become an expert also, identified. Seeker: I am not, I am not, I’m not. I am not a believer in Buddhism in particular [unclear: I guess.] Just it so happened that I told You about. [unclear: I’ve fallen apart. But I actually see the nonsense and agree with these things.] Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, and now you will know Buddha better. When you’ll be realized, my child, then you will know Buddha. Unless and until you are realized you will not know Buddha, what are His visions. He knows you. It’s a fact I just tell you. Without [your] realization, actually, it’s the mistake of all the people who came on this earth before Me. They were real gurus, but you have not even known your Spirit. That’s why they said all these things to you. If they had known that you are not even awakened, they would not have committed this mistake, means it is difficult enough even when it’s done for people who are. This was the big mistake and that’s why you see, I say this in My human realization that I’ll continue doing it. Seeker: Just one question that [unclear: I have to make which is better asking/I would like if it’s possible to ask You] that as far as what you said about realization and also about enlightenment, in the same way the question is this: "What should an enlightened what the, an enlightened person’s lifestyle when a person becomes realized…" Shri Mataji: When a person becomes? Seeker: When a person becomes realized… Shri Mataji: When a person is… Seeker: Enlightened … Shri Mataji: You see, that is… Seeker: Then what should his lifestyle be? What, what sort of person should he be innate, should he be innate in this situation? Shri Mataji: You see, the behaviour automatically changes. I will give you an example. We had a doctor; he’s not here. He got his realization by another doctor, who gave him realization and [unclear]. All right. He’s there, all right, he’s there. So, now, he gave realization to a doctor and this doctor came in the worst condition because I must say he must have been a great seeker in this life and he was a genuine person but out of fashion ‒ he was doing lots of things ‒ and so he said, “All right, let me go and have a drink.” He went to have a drink and when he took one sip he started vomiting. You see, the, your religion is enlightened and you just do not feel like doing it. And he just gave up. Then he said, “All right, let me have a girl with me.” Because there’s a fashion; you must have a girl every day out. It’s like another parasite. Every day girl you must take out and give her food. I mean, it’s all nonsense. If you are earning your money honestly, why should you waste this money with such people? But it doesn’t matter. He took a girl and all that and he took her down there. And he said, “But just this I felt so funny with her.” And I just said, “You just get out from here and I just can’t bear it.” And he just did it, you see. So, what happens is that the whole religion is experienced. We do not waste any effort, there is no condition to it. As far as I am concerned, I can tell you this, that I do not rationalize anything. I mean, I do not work through the wise and what we have to do. But what My stomach itself gets, it automatically works, you see! Supposing I have to meet someone, I go to somebody’s house. Now I feel quite funny in Sahastrara quite there and then I find the person is mad. And then I find it to be very [unclear: bearding all there]. So, you see, you don’t have to rationalize. Your whole being becomes so sensitive, sensitive to pollution, that gives you that trust that somebody for example, that somebody catches indeed. Right and wrong, this sense you can get only after vibrations. Like a man like Christ, imagine standing by the side of a prostitute, defending her. It’s only possible for a person who is a realized soul; is a fact. Otherwise, whatever you know, right and wrong, is relative. Absolute right and wrong can be known only after realization. That’s why I say deep in meditation and enlightenment your whole being becomes sensitive. Now I never told the people who were taking drugs to give up as it is wrong. They just did it. Because you start enjoying yourself. There is one, that comic book he gave me. Which one is that? Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Ha, in that there is a character who is a realized soul. You see that. That’s one realized soul in that book. And his behaviour is different from the rest of them. And then you can see a realized soul. I could see that one there and very enjoyable, a realized soul there was. You see, so the life patterns of a realized soul are different patterns from each other. Seeker: What a realized soul must do then, if he finds work in some place of work which is, which is under someone’s position that he is asking you to do something unspiritual, some work which is not Christian or not right. Means should that realized person… Shri Mataji: No, he would not do that, normally. You see, but somebody… Seeker: He would not do that. Shri Mataji: No, he would not. But what happens, I will tell you. It happens like this, I would say, that supposing you are a realized soul, now and you just don’t feel like doing this, you see. But if you just try to do it, because you have been doing it, you just try to value it. Soon after you see, because that practice that you are doing, you may lose your vibrations. We have at last, that’s the punishment: you lose your vibrations. I have, I have someone…Sheila has come? Where is she? We have one girl here. She is naturally very good and she got her realization. And then just out of curiosity she went to one of these horrible gurus. The first I knew. We have some more over there. She also went there and did like this. She lost her vibrations. When she came to Me, she falled at My feet and I saw the whole Kundalini entirely warped. Immediately I asked her whether she still would go. “I should not go.” She felt it! But it's so foolish of coming to these ones. Seeker: That’s a [unclear: rather a matter of] justice. I mean following what You’re saying it was quite [unclear: clear] having people who start drinking wine [unclear: …in the church]. I was going to say about alcohol. And if you have a very moderate, very, very moderate circumstance I should say seven lemonades with that, seven [unclear] Shri Mataji: That goes out. You see, I will not say, “Don’t take alcohol.” I’ll say even, "You go to pub", but you’ll come back on your arms even a five hundred miles. I will not say, ‘’Don’t.’’ I will not. I am not the person to say, “Don’t”. Seeker: That’s what I’m asking. Shri Mataji: No. But you will just give up yourself, because it’s wrong, because it goes against your awareness. Even this much can go, this one also doing against the vibrations. Now do you know that your forefathers, they’re known in our country specially that Englishman is known by are a little thing moderate, but today they are going mislead. They were the pioneers of this moderation. They started with this. And their third generation is now all the time sitting in the pub. So, who is responsible? The one who started this moderation. That is the beginning of the end. Seeker: But they were very moderate. Shri Mataji: True, they were very moderate, but that’s how everything has started. And there is no end to it. So why do we need it? You see, truth has no compromise. But you don’t have to worry because you start quitting. You are so much drunk in the joy that you don’t want to drink. I mean, you are so spirited. Actually, the trouble is the “spirit” is a wrong word for alcohol. Either you don’t use it for the Spirit that is Atma, or don’t use it for alcohol. I mean, you are so full of Spirit; maybe that is the reason the 'spirit' word must have no meaning. Because when people ask Me, “Why don’t you drink?” I said, “I’ve been I am so much over-drunk, that if you try your drunkenness with Me, I cannot be in nineteen years.” Seeker: Is there a way back to the cause? Shri Mataji: Aah? Seeker: Is there really hope to get back to the cause? Shri Mataji: Yes. Seeker: Or we have gone wild? Shri Mataji: No, no. You see, because such a lot has been told us. Death is here. Because of death, you see, we know we have to die, all right? Because of that knowledge within us we try to do something bad. Supposing that we are eternal, then we would not do. All right? (End of second tape) First time you will be up, you'll be very awkward. Just put your hands towards Me, as I suggest, in a simple way. Put your both the feet… Now what is it in a humble way we have to get it for ourselves. This is our right. It’s our right to get it. Just take out your shoes. Now if I tell someone to take out shoes people are upset. You see, you should not, because this is just we are, everybody is doing it. So just rest, you’re just put into it. [Gavin?] See this is for yourselves. Now those who are [unclear: … in the hand…]. And those who are [unclear: … in the hand] should get their realization. They are. Enjoy yourselves. Close your eyes and enjoy yourselves. Feel within you, you are more relaxed, you see. Those who have [unclear]. Have you got cool breeze in your hand? Cool breeze in your hand? Have you got it? No? All right. Just put your hands towards Me. Close your eyes. Enjoy it, enjoy it. Just enjoy it. Just enjoy yourselves. [Unclear.] And you do not think about it. It should work. That is the thing you must have. You must have that; it is your right to have it. You have been seekers. You have been seekers. You must get it. If you haven’t got it, doesn’t matter; we’ll work it out. We’ll work it out, definitely. Close your eyes. Enjoy yourselves. Sit comfortably. Sit most comfortably. This is the point in it. You must sit very comfortably and enjoy yourselves. Just enjoy. Put your hands on your lap like this. You’ll feel hot also. Next time I will tell you what happens after realization. [Unclear.] Some of you might find that, “I did something which people shouldn’t do.” [Unclear.] You just enjoy yourself [unclear]. You are fine? Seeker: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: I said those people who get twinkling in their eyes when they close them can keep their eyes open. Those who do not, close their eyes. And because there’s a physical thing that happens when it climbs in Vishuddhi then it gives more chance to understand. It’s a very smooth way. Some people do not feel at all how it works out and suddenly you feel silent and the cool breeze starts flowing. But as I said it, this is an experience absolute. You will see people will have it spontaneously. But you have to carry it out, stabilize it [unclear] individually you have to mature. Can you close your eyes? Are you getting cool breeze? Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. You’ll feel better like this. Are you all right? Close your eyes. Just pay attention to yourself [your Self]. Just enjoy yourself. Put your attention to your heart. Enjoy yourself. Close your eyes. Do not pay attention outside, anywhere. This is the time for you to pay attention to yourself. You have paid too much attention outside. Put your attention to yourself inside. Please, put your attention to yourself inside. I’ll give you one more method that I have unclear: made long time for you. But you keep your eyes closed. [Inaudible] Some of the Sahaja Yogis have to get up to give seats to the people who are coming. Now, there are some people who are realized in Sahaja Yoga, and they can come and test you, because those who are realized are to be tested again, and that’s how you will know whether you are realized or not. And then you are realized; then you can also see for yourself and all that. Please put your hands towards Me like this. Rustom, all other people have to be here. Please let them come. Yes. Now if you could be seated in your seats and don’t you worry. These people will just come and see it, because from their hands the vibrations are going and they know how to manoeuvre it, and they will also teach you how to do it. It looks little funny for you to begin to see how they have to use their hands, but from their hands the vibrations are flowing, from all the fingers. But they how to manoeuvre and what is to be done. So you shouldn’t have any objection for that, which you will realize later on gradually how it is done. Are you all right? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Those who have had gurus please raise your hands. Those who have had gurus before. Some gurus, if you have had gurus, raise your hand. Some sort of a guru or someone. Teacher, teacher. Maharishi, all those who you have been to Maharishi also? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Why? Have you had anyone? Have you had any teacher? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Now, have you got cool breeze in the hands? Yes, that’s your, that’s your guru. He is the one, you see, he is doing harm from the right side, he is the one who did it. What about you? (Dialogue between the seekers and Shri Mataji.) [INAUDIBLE].

Evolution Beyond organized Religion, public programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 13 November 1978. (Partial transcription: second and third parts = tapes entitled "1978-1113-2-Cont'd-Q&A-Caxton Hall" and "1978-1113-3 Realization." First part is missing.) …experience it is, it just starts mesmerizing you. And this is the greatest faltering point. You have to mature. And it is not like this, that, like a toothpaste, I say, “All right, [you’ve] got this toothpaste. Your teeth will be shining.” It’s not like that, because you have problems; you are complicated. You must know you are complicated. And the Kundalini though it catches, you see, first time it will shoot up and come here. She is so happy that She has got you to this state. She is so anxious. She is your mother and She wants to give you realization, and She wants you to be happy. You do catch. It comes, connects, but again goes back. Supposing you are a liver patient. Most of you are liver patients because of the paths. If you are a liver patient, poor thing the Kundalini, your Mother has to go there, work out there and you can actually see with your own eyes the Kundalini pulsating. You can see the pulsation and you know. Now, even if you are not a doctor you can tell anybody you are suffering from liver very serious, [unclear: you wouldn't have gone to a doctor]. So many problems have come to us through our thoughts and even menopause. Yesterday I heard it. You know in India there is nothing like menopause. No one knows what it is. We do not have all these problems of what you call that generation gap. People don’t know what is generation gap. It’s a continuous life of people there, there must be generation. They [don’t talk] about it, you see, and they do not understand what is adolescence, you see. They do not understand all this. This is all created by you, by thinking, thinking about it. You see, a person who has got a brain, you see, it’s a devil’s workshop. It must be the adolescence, it must be this, that. Now why the women here get menopause because that’s very insecure old age; such a horrid thing. I mean, nobody should become old in this country, the way people are. And everybody is going to become old. Nobody doubts about it, do we? But the way they treat our old people and the way the old people, you know, get so insecure, they are so stupid poor people you know, they try to act like young. They are very stupid poor things; they have lost all, all sense of wisdom because they think big of themselves. We, the way we discard them, with the way we try to disrespect them, they start behaving like young people. I mean, I have seen women of eighty years [still] talking like sixteen-year-old girls, you know. [Unclear] I mean, I just don’t understand, what’s the matter with the women! The reason is that is how you can only live in this world. So, the menopause is lost if the woman knows, ‘’I am a grandmother.” I am a grandmother. I can live with my age and I am very proud of my age, of my wisdom, and that I know that I do better than my children. I’ve seen much more of life and can guide them much better and I am in my own age and my own way and I am enjoying it very much. Like in India we have four types of, we can say, the experiences. And this is my senior part of life; it’s the time when both of us, My husband and Me, should really live together, not in [the] separated ways, look after our children. Or we should really go to the forest and live with our grandchildren once we are there. Now we don’t have that facility. But it automatically works out. Imagine a sixty-year-old man talking of the marriage, or an eighty-year-old man talking of the marriage, or a thirteen-year-old boy also talking of the marriage. I mean, there is no maturity. There is no growth. You should grow. You should mature, and people should respect that maturity. Because of this kind of all the complications, these lazy minds or, I should say, the overactive minds, just are. You see this point. Cancer is the disease of the West [and] not of the East. I mean, people don’t know what is cancer, at all. In the whole ayurvedic Shastras there is no description of cancer. How the cancer is formed? By over-activity of thinking. Diabetes is also because of this ego. Heart trouble is because of this ego. Either they go mad or they get heart trouble ‒ one of the two those people who are. So they bear it up the oppression of people who are thinking too much. Because the one who thinks, he always dominates, “You must drive like this. You must go like that. You stand like that. You must sit like that. You must eat like that.” All the time worried about others, minding others, such a person will get a heart trouble. And the person – apart for us, you see, somebody gets a heart attack we are very uneasy – I mean, if you see, he actually, he doesn’t judge much of the things and the person whom he has dominated, and got this heart attack because God is angry. But the other person, poor thing, the one who suffers too much gets a madness and we, we laugh at mad people. Our attitude changes. Those who have gone mad have really suffered too much. And those who have heart trouble are the people who have dominated. All ego-oriented people get heart attack. Actually, we have to ask forgiveness from God that, “Oh God, please forgive us.” We have to appeal to His forgiveness if we have to avoid heart attack. Oh, but if I tell this to anyone who had heart attack, he’ll give Me a heart attack. I cannot say this to anyone that, “You are very ego-oriented and you have become routine. There’s no need for domination. Become humble in your heart. Become humble in your heart.” They’ll immediately get angry with Me because their aroused ego will come forward. They’ll say, “You are [Inaudible].” So, this kind of a thing they do. I would request you to understand the complications we have in the West. Now I am not facing an Indian talking. It’s all right for Me that is Eastern which is on the other side of it. Take it from Me, Eastern people have another problem, terrible problem they have, you see. And that is the different thing. Today I am facing you and that’s why I have to deal with 'your' problem as it is and see if, I have seen, if we can work it. I have gone into everybody’s Kundalini to find out what’s the problem with these people. And that’s how I found out. So, you have to humble down in your heart. If you have to evolve, really humble down in your heart. I’ve seen even the priests, even the people who try to preach, they are so ego-oriented. There is nothing like love in them. In their love also there is so much ego. See, love is full of good desire. It doesn’t emit. All these things are there and the responsibility for them goes to our over-use of our ego. We have used it for our [unclear: struggle/battle]. Because of use of ego, our intellect, we think we can manage. But don’t try to fight the ego. If you try to fight it will sit on your head. The same ego is supported because through this ego only you are tired. You are fed up with yourself and you are not going to venture. If there was not sufficient ego you would not have been like this on earth. So, you have felt it. Now you are going to manage it and it can be worked out. Not to hate yourself, because you have been egoistical. Because the another type would be – and we have some people who are another type, they are even worse. They are all the time crying and weeping, “Mother, I’ve committed this sin and that sin.” So going from this, this extreme to that extreme, is not needed. I’ve known many people who come and tell Me, “Mother, how can You cleanse me? I am such a sinner.” “Now who are you? You are coming to Me. If I am your Mother, then I will have to worry when you go near Me for you, "You just don’t worry. Don’t you worry about anything.” But still they go on. They write letters after letters to Me, such big letters saying what sins they have committed. Now what am I to do with these? This sin is finished and gone, because the sins are on this side, all of them, so-called sins which are all forgiven. They are to be forgiven. God is very kind. He is the ocean of forgiveness. He forgives you. If you ask for forgiveness He forgives. Even for asking He forgives you. up to this point This is one side, [which] is this side. The another side [right] is this side, is where some people get very much egoistical about it, and the another side [left] is where you feel very great pain. Both sides are useless. If the extremes are to be avoided, just surrender. Then you are in the centre and the whole thing opens out, the ego and superego. Ego and superego, both of them are sucked inside. And you become one with your Creator and feel the beauty of your being which is nothing but it’s joy, it’s truth, it’s that much, it’s love. And I told you love has very much these vibrations, are nothing but they are love. If you touch anybody, he feels the love. If you touch anybody, he feels the love. It’s the love. Your talk and even thinking is very together. And like that you will be able to change this world, this society which has to get all its transformation into a newer society in which you will have no race, no religion – so-called religions ‒ no dividing countries. God never made all these nations or anything. He just created this earth, just that. Then we, the great thinkers, you see, wished and divided this one into different lands and then we call this as India, that as England and that [all]. And then very nicely, with all our people we started fighting. Then we had wars. See, not basically human beings. So best thing is not to worry any more about that part and not to blame yourself. Now I know there are some people who have the impression to feel guilty, very much more guilt, but there’s nothing to feel guilty about. Both things are nothing but extremes. You have to just take your realization and you have to be universal. This is a very simple thing. Now… Seeker: Can I ask you a question, please? Can I ask you a few questions, please? Shri Mataji: Yes. Seeker: First of all, one has nothing to do with the other. First one is that You’d like me to get realization I’ve seen and You mentioned so. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. Seeker: Now, I would like to think for a while that people must be at different stages of realization at the moment. People must be in different stages of spiritual consciousness. Therefore, is it possible for them not to feel, to have visions about that but not to be aware of it? Shri Mataji: Not to be…? Seeker: Not themselves to be aware of this state of mind. Shri Mataji: There are many realized souls like this in this country… Seeker: In other words, yes…. Shri Mataji: There are many realized souls in this country. You see, I have seen many realized. We had one, is William Blake. Blake is a realized soul. And, but you see, these realized souls are suffering further all their life through those who are not, are young and are cruel. But there are some people who did suffer from this point of view. There are realized souls, and they are different types, and they are aware of it that they are realized and they are [unclear]. But they do not raise. They touch somebody and the person gets cured. So, they think this is some spirit it has given. Or they do not know how to become. They don’t know what they have done. They have no idea about what is inside them, how it has worked. They have no idea. I mean, there are two types of curing, curing people also. One type, who deals with the spirits; it’s a wrong thing. This one is wrong. But another type is by this power, only they have it. There are many realized souls in this country and many realized souls are born in this country. This is a specially blessed country. But the problem with them is that they do not know anything. They are just aware that they are different from others, you see, that they are a different type, that they are awakened people, that they are aware. But they are not master of the knowledge, you see? Seeker: Exactly. Shri Mataji: So, the thing is that they have to become master. They have to know each and everything. And I am going to tell you all the secrets. Everything I am going to tell you, through why you should have this feeling that you should know what you have got, what is your property, how to deal with it. You are naive about it. So, the whole knowledge has to be whole for you to know how is to be achieved, that's [unclear: variety/guaranty]. And there are many like that. But they have a problem, as I said once, that, that you see, they got this Self-realization without even knowing. It’s very hard for them to believe that they can really get that state within. Secondly, when they were born-realized, you see, there were different people from the society, most of them. So, they were attacked. They were never liked by others, and people thought they were rude, different type, and all that. They were calling them, you see, mad people and all that. So, they developed a cynicism. And this cynicism gives a funny type of reaction towards everyone, even towards fear. I found that. And they come round, but they first of all waste their precious energy before they come. So also, they come forth because of this cynicism, you see, and they, because you see, you develop a mechanism by which – cynicism is nothing but a mechanism ‒ by which you face the world. Then when you come before Me also, you face Me in the same way. It’s a mechanism that is built in. So, I would say that for them, I am here; they are there. Should we agree at all, at all, this would be a problem. And they are here for this purpose. So, there is nothing to be feared. It’s a very good thing, and accept Me to be your master to cure you, you see. Now, what is the second question? Seeker: The second question is that as I always [unclear: used to…]. And that’s a free process in [unclear: …such actions…] keeps around you. Certainly [unclear: our actions…]. Could You do? And don’t ask… Shri Mataji: No. There also, the same path is there, Buddhism. You see, Buddha, Buddha also had His realization through Sahaja Yoga only. His Kundalini rose and he got His realization, enlightenment, as you say. But Buddha is a different style of personality which was created specially for this purpose. He is the one who conquers His ego within Himself. [unclear: His vibrations… we should say,] are from this side. Because if you see the ego is on the other side. So, Buddha’s position is about here. So, He stays there and He is there. Now Buddhist people, that's the difficulty also, Buddhists are the same, Christians are the same, Hindus are the same and even then what you call the Zen style is the same. All of them are just the same style. None of them are now good, none of them were then [realized]. There were many Christians who were realized souls. I’ve read some books and I could see that they were realized souls, but they were ill-treated by the Christians who were 'in charge' of the Church. There are Hindus who were realized souls. Even, you see all the Shankaracharya’s, we have, are now disciples, are not [realized souls]. All the Shankaracharya's are not good, except for one who was there, but he was taken out. He is taken out. You see, anybody who is a realized is thrown out. They are afraid because they are challenged. You see, these organizations are run by people who are people who have no faith. So, I have not met one person I have been to, say. I will tell you the name of the greatest of Buddhist leaders is Thich Nhat Hanh, and the another one is Dalai Lama. I have met both of them. They have been sitting next to Me and telling Me all this. Both of them are not realized. They are possessed. What can we do? They are. But they begin listening to Me. The things that they tell you about, it’s not realization. Realized persons talk to Me differently. Let’s say that a realized person talks in this way that his interests are different. Let’s say, for example, I can quote Kabir. Kabir says, [Hindi] “I get twenty-five of them together and put them into one's head." This is the mind of a realized soul, like that. He thinks of the collective consciousness. But these people will say that, “We will know who is going to be the next Lama.” Who cares who is going to be the next Lama, you see, whosoever may be? They see all these things. Their third eye is nothing but a devil, is telling them that, "One should be the Lama." Do you know that poor country of Tibet is squatted completely by these people. They live like lords and today even they are given alms. And you’ll be amazed, sometimes [unclear]. So, keep yourself open. I am just telling you the one who is Buddhist can be quite dangerous, as dangerous as any Hindus, or Muslims or anyone, who have even got lot of the [unclear: …obtaining such things] until, you’ll be amazed. The other day we had a girl from Italy and there is a Buddhist who has come to Bombay. He wrote to them that, “We don’t touch, you see, anything but a marble floor. So, you put marble floor for us.” They couldn’t imagine, for an ascetic who was willing to have a marble floor. Ascetics should be able to sleep on the streets. They must have a marble floor! So poor these young people, you see, in the foreign, places in the Western countries, where there is only much naivety. Their parents won’t be much delighted They worked hard for one year and collected money to fulfil his desire, worked for this horrible parasite, this [unclear]. And what did he do, do you know? He makes them bow to him one thousand [times], one thousand [times]. And one of them, a person felt tired that she has lost the conscious because you see, it was too much. This is what they do. But how will you know if they are true or not? Not by any finding, by their talking. They can talk very big. They can be very great speakers. Still it is coming to [unclear]. But how they can give you realization, or whether they are true or not? And for your benevolence and for your growth you take your realization first and then you can see. Do not criticize Me because I am telling you this. I have to tell you the truth. I am not here for any position. I am telling you the truth, and you will know the truth yourself when you’ll realize with your vibrated awareness. Immediately, you’ll know. Now, I will give you a simple example. My granddaughter, she’s about five years of age and she was feeling the vibrations more and there was a lama sitting there with his head was shaved and with, what you call, a maxi was wearing and was sitting down. And everybody was touching his feet. Even my son-in-law went and touched his feet. My daughter also touched. Now this girl couldn’t bear it. She went and pushed the “holy man”. She said, “What do you mean? Only by shaving your head and wearing this kind of a dress you cannot make others touch your feet. You are not a realized soul.” Five-year-old girl just told him off. And it is only possible if you are really realized and you have full conviction. Even a small little child can do that. They will immediately say what is catching in you. You have seen that little girl who is My granddaughter. She was telling everyone, “This is catching, that is catching, that is catching”; even a two-year-old little granddaughter. It is a fact. So, you become that in Sahaja Yoga. Now do not decide because you see here the problem is Christianity was a headache for these people. They realized that Christianity was nonsense and these churches were nonsense. So, they took to anything that they know, Buddhism, they took to Hinduism, they took to another “ism”. None of these "isms" have worked. Take it from Me. All of them are nothing but organizations, just like your church. Some of them are even worse, especially the Hindu temples where you can go and purchase Ganga. If you have to purchase Ganga in India it is not very good. So, what do you think? The Ganges River was angry because of that [unclear: bad name]. Horrible people, I tell you. In the name of religion, in the name of God they have bhoots on. We have one gentleman here; he was going to a lama in Tibet. Where is he from? Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: He was beaten up by them. They talk of love; they’ll beat him up. They had some priests; they are sadists, I tell you. And then he said, “I had no money. So, they, they used me for beating up.” Very nice. "They said, 'Those who have no money should work or should accept beatings, or those who have money should give money'.” Is this Buddhism, by any chance? Have you done any [unclear: restriction]? Actually, you’ll be amazed, in all these organizations Buddha Himself is angry and He is going to come down on them. With all these organizations which run after Christ, Christ Himself is angry. [unclear: They killed Him]. Now think of yourself; now you are a gentleman. You think like this that supposing you have founded something and the people are doing just the opposite towards what you have founded. Then how furious you are going to be? In the same way all these deities are [angry]. So, for every open-minded man it is necessary to forgive and forgive all. Just forgive all. If I had seen any sense anywhere, I wouldn’t bother. Now you’ll be surprised [saying that] Zen is such a great thing. Zen is nothing but meditation! In Sahaja Yoga only if you read Zen that there were only twenty-six kashapa, only twenty-six realized souls. But the Zen, the head of the Zen I have met, and he is not a realized. Now what should I do? Should I not tell you this? If they were realized I would really have gone, even climb to them. You wouldn’t believe, I have gone to see realized souls. Seven miles I have climbed. And I have met very great people, but they are hiding themselves. They do not want to come to the cities, to avoid the very bad time they faced. They do not want to be gurus because they think you will crucify them. If you have crucified Christ, they don’t know what you are going to do. Already they have suffered. These are all money-making propositions and there will be surrounding the cities, [unclear: near]. In some way people harm the Spirit. It’s only I who has ventured to come down and tell you the truth. And I would say you stand by the truth. You’ll find it out. Do not deny it because I am saying this, but you just find it. You just find it. It is for your experience. Because why are you a loser for anything? After all, you are not identified with Buddha. You are not identified with Buddhist society or any society. You are identified with your Self to have the blessings of Sahaja Yoga. Achieve it for you. You have to achieve it for your own, and do not identify with any organizations. We are not going to finish our Self for anything like that. Because supposing, I agree you must have spent lot of time with that. Doesn’t matter. You are not going to miss it. That’s a good experience. When you’ll get another Buddhist society, then you’ll not like too much. Buddha if you know, you’ll become an expert also, identified. Seeker: I am not, I am not, I’m not. I am not a believer in Buddhism in particular [unclear: I guess.] Just it so happened that I told You about. [unclear: I’ve fallen apart. But I actually see the nonsense and agree with these things.] Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, and now you will know Buddha better. When you’ll be realized, my child, then you will know Buddha. Unless and until you are realized you will not know Buddha, what are His visions. He knows you. It’s a fact I just tell you. Without [your] realization, actually, it’s the mistake of all the people who came on this earth before Me. They were real gurus, but you have not even known your Spirit. That’s why they said all these things to you. If they had known that you are not even awakened, they would not have committed this mistake, means it is difficult enough even when it’s done for people who are. This was the big mistake and that’s why you see, I say this in My human realization that I’ll continue doing it. Seeker: Just one question that [unclear: I have to make which is better asking/I would like if it’s possible to ask You] that as far as what you said about realization and also about enlightenment, in the same way the question is this: "What should an enlightened what the, an enlightened person’s lifestyle when a person becomes realized…" Shri Mataji: When a person becomes? Seeker: When a person becomes realized… Shri Mataji: When a person is… Seeker: Enlightened … Shri Mataji: You see, that is… Seeker: Then what should his lifestyle be? What, what sort of person should he be innate, should he be innate in this situation? Shri Mataji: You see, the behaviour automatically changes. I will give you an example. We had a doctor; he’s not here. He got his realization by another doctor, who gave him realization and [unclear]. All right. He’s there, all right, he’s there. So, now, he gave realization to a doctor and this doctor came in the worst condition because I must say he must have been a great seeker in this life and he was a genuine person but out of fashion ‒ he was doing lots of things ‒ and so he said, “All right, let me go and have a drink.” He went to have a drink and when he took one sip he started vomiting. You see, the, your religion is enlightened and you just do not feel like doing it. And he just gave up. Then he said, “All right, let me have a girl with me.” Because there’s a fashion; you must have a girl every day out. It’s like another parasite. Every day girl you must take out and give her food. I mean, it’s all nonsense. If you are earning your money honestly, why should you waste this money with such people? But it doesn’t matter. He took a girl and all that and he took her down there. And he said, “But just this I felt so funny with her.” And I just said, “You just get out from here and I just can’t bear it.” And he just did it, you see. So, what happens is that the whole religion is experienced. We do not waste any effort, there is no condition to it. As far as I am concerned, I can tell you this, that I do not rationalize anything. I mean, I do not work through the wise and what we have to do. But what My stomach itself gets, it automatically works, you see! Supposing I have to meet someone, I go to somebody’s house. Now I feel quite funny in Sahastrara quite there and then I find the person is mad. And then I find it to be very [unclear: bearding all there]. So, you see, you don’t have to rationalize. Your whole being becomes so sensitive, sensitive to pollution, that gives you that trust that somebody for example, that somebody catches indeed. Right and wrong, this sense you can get only after vibrations. Like a man like Christ, imagine standing by the side of a prostitute, defending her. It’s only possible for a person who is a realized soul; is a fact. Otherwise, whatever you know, right and wrong, is relative. Absolute right and wrong can be known only after realization. That’s why I say deep in meditation and enlightenment your whole being becomes sensitive. Now I never told the people who were taking drugs to give up as it is wrong. They just did it. Because you start enjoying yourself. There is one, that comic book he gave me. Which one is that? Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Ha, in that there is a character who is a realized soul. You see that. That’s one realized soul in that book. And his behaviour is different from the rest of them. And then you can see a realized soul. I could see that one there and very enjoyable, a realized soul there was. You see, so the life patterns of a realized soul are different patterns from each other. Seeker: What a realized soul must do then, if he finds work in some place of work which is, which is under someone’s position that he is asking you to do something unspiritual, some work which is not Christian or not right. Means should that realized person… Shri Mataji: No, he would not do that, normally. You see, but somebody… Seeker: He would not do that. Shri Mataji: No, he would not. But what happens, I will tell you. It happens like this, I would say, that supposing you are a realized soul, now and you just don’t feel like doing this, you see. But if you just try to do it, because you have been doing it, you just try to value it. Soon after you see, because that practice that you are doing, you may lose your vibrations. We have at last, that’s the punishment: you lose your vibrations. I have, I have someone…Sheila has come? Where is she? We have one girl here. She is naturally very good and she got her realization. And then just out of curiosity she went to one of these horrible gurus. The first I knew. We have some more over there. She also went there and did like this. She lost her vibrations. When she came to Me, she falled at My feet and I saw the whole Kundalini entirely warped. Immediately I asked her whether she still would go. “I should not go.” She felt it! But it's so foolish of coming to these ones. Seeker: That’s a [unclear: rather a matter of] justice. I mean following what You’re saying it was quite [unclear: clear] having people who start drinking wine [unclear: …in the church]. I was going to say about alcohol. And if you have a very moderate, very, very moderate circumstance I should say seven lemonades with that, seven [unclear] Shri Mataji: That goes out. You see, I will not say, “Don’t take alcohol.” I’ll say even, "You go to pub", but you’ll come back on your arms even a five hundred miles. I will not say, ‘’Don’t.’’ I will not. I am not the person to say, “Don’t”. Seeker: That’s what I’m asking. Shri Mataji: No. But you will just give up yourself, because it’s wrong, because it goes against your awareness. Even this much can go, this one also doing against the vibrations. Now do you know that your forefathers, they’re known in our country specially that Englishman is known by are a little thing moderate, but today they are going mislead. They were the pioneers of this moderation. They started with this. And their third generation is now all the time sitting in the pub. So, who is responsible? The one who started this moderation. That is the beginning of the end. Seeker: But they were very moderate. Shri Mataji: True, they were very moderate, but that’s how everything has started. And there is no end to it. So why do we need it? You see, truth has no compromise. But you don’t have to worry because you start quitting. You are so much drunk in the joy that you don’t want to drink. I mean, you are so spirited. Actually, the trouble is the “spirit” is a wrong word for alcohol. Either you don’t use it for the Spirit that is Atma, or don’t use it for alcohol. I mean, you are so full of Spirit; maybe that is the reason the 'spirit' word must have no meaning. Because when people ask Me, “Why don’t you drink?” I said, “I’ve been I am so much over-drunk, that if you try your drunkenness with Me, I cannot be in nineteen years.” Seeker: Is there a way back to the cause? Shri Mataji: Aah? Seeker: Is there really hope to get back to the cause? Shri Mataji: Yes. Seeker: Or we have gone wild? Shri Mataji: No, no. You see, because such a lot has been told us. Death is here. Because of death, you see, we know we have to die, all right? Because of that knowledge within us we try to do something bad. Supposing that we are eternal, then we would not do. All right? (End of second tape) First time you will be up, you'll be very awkward. Just put your hands towards Me, as I suggest, in a simple way. Put your both the feet… Now what is it in a humble way we have to get it for ourselves. This is our right. It’s our right to get it. Just take out your shoes. Now if I tell someone to take out shoes people are upset. You see, you should not, because this is just we are, everybody is doing it. So just rest, you’re just put into it. [Gavin?] See this is for yourselves. Now those who are [unclear: … in the hand…]. And those who are [unclear: … in the hand] should get their realization. They are. Enjoy yourselves. Close your eyes and enjoy yourselves. Feel within you, you are more relaxed, you see. Those who have [unclear]. Have you got cool breeze in your hand? Cool breeze in your hand? Have you got it? No? All right. Just put your hands towards Me. Close your eyes. Enjoy it, enjoy it. Just enjoy it. Just enjoy yourselves. [Unclear.] And you do not think about it. It should work. That is the thing you must have. You must have that; it is your right to have it. You have been seekers. You have been seekers. You must get it. If you haven’t got it, doesn’t matter; we’ll work it out. We’ll work it out, definitely. Close your eyes. Enjoy yourselves. Sit comfortably. Sit most comfortably. This is the point in it. You must sit very comfortably and enjoy yourselves. Just enjoy. Put your hands on your lap like this. You’ll feel hot also. Next time I will tell you what happens after realization. [Unclear.] Some of you might find that, “I did something which people shouldn’t do.” [Unclear.] You just enjoy yourself [unclear]. You are fine? Seeker: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: I said those people who get twinkling in their eyes when they close them can keep their eyes open. Those who do not, close their eyes. And because there’s a physical thing that happens when it climbs in Vishuddhi then it gives more chance to understand. It’s a very smooth way. Some people do not feel at all how it works out and suddenly you feel silent and the cool breeze starts flowing. But as I said it, this is an experience absolute. You will see people will have it spontaneously. But you have to carry it out, stabilize it [unclear] individually you have to mature. Can you close your eyes? Are you getting cool breeze? Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. You’ll feel better like this. Are you all right? Close your eyes. Just pay attention to yourself [your Self]. Just enjoy yourself. Put your attention to your heart. Enjoy yourself. Close your eyes. Do not pay attention outside, anywhere. This is the time for you to pay attention to yourself. You have paid too much attention outside. Put your attention to yourself inside. Please, put your attention to yourself inside. I’ll give you one more method that I have unclear: made long time for you. But you keep your eyes closed. [Inaudible] Some of the Sahaja Yogis have to get up to give seats to the people who are coming. Now, there are some people who are realized in Sahaja Yoga, and they can come and test you, because those who are realized are to be tested again, and that’s how you will know whether you are realized or not. And then you are realized; then you can also see for yourself and all that. Please put your hands towards Me like this. Rustom, all other people have to be here. Please let them come. Yes. Now if you could be seated in your seats and don’t you worry. These people will just come and see it, because from their hands the vibrations are going and they know how to manoeuvre it, and they will also teach you how to do it. It looks little funny for you to begin to see how they have to use their hands, but from their hands the vibrations are flowing, from all the fingers. But they how to manoeuvre and what is to be done. So you shouldn’t have any objection for that, which you will realize later on gradually how it is done. Are you all right? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Those who have had gurus please raise your hands. Those who have had gurus before. Some gurus, if you have had gurus, raise your hand. Some sort of a guru or someone. Teacher, teacher. Maharishi, all those who you have been to Maharishi also? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Why? Have you had anyone? Have you had any teacher? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Now, have you got cool breeze in the hands? Yes, that’s your, that’s your guru. He is the one, you see, he is doing harm from the right side, he is the one who did it. What about you? (Dialogue between the seekers and Shri Mataji.) [INAUDIBLE].

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The First Three Chakras Or How To Approach Sahaja Yoga Caxton Hall, London (England), 20-11-1978 (Partial transcription: first part.) …and that gives us our evolutionary ascent. This central force, as I have shown you here, is first in the residual form, kept in the triangular bone and is called as Kundalini. The word 'Kundalini', in the Sanskrit language, means – 'Kundal' means 'the coil'; it means 'coil'. Kundalini – when it is a feminine of Kundal – 'Kundal' means 'a coil like the', you see, you can say, 'the curl' or 'a coil'. When the feminine gender is used, it is called as Kundalini. Now this is the residual force, which has made the zygote, as you call it, or you can say the embryo, and the residual of it settles down there. It is much more than that – I’m not going into details about it how this force, which force it is – it is a subconscious state, you can say. That is all your subconscious – all your lives – even from amoeba to this stage. Whatever you have been doing, whatever have been your searches, whatever lives you have had, whatever genes you have passed through, like, we can say, if you were, say, a liar, it is all recorded. Then also it records all that has been happening in this present life also. Through this, through this area, in the subconscious area, it passes and is recorded here and kept everything recorded: whatever you are taking and experiencing and putting to your subconscious. That subconscious area is all being recorded in that micro, you can say, a micro-tape. And all that is, though recorded, has also got the power to think, coordinate, to organize and to use whenever it is required. I mean, we cannot think of such a record, or a record player or we can say, a tape record, which works out all these things together. It is fantastic to believe that there could be such a part but there is. I mean, even if you see our eyes, they are fantastic things – I mean, we take them for granted, absolutely taken for granted. We cannot make even one eye with all of our scientific knowledge and everything, we cannot make one living human eye. Let us accept it. So, every one of us have got two nice eyes, which are such complicated things and the way they react and work out, there must be some sort of a power behind it, some sort of an organization, some sort of a complete co-related, you can say, a big institution, which is actually integrated and is related to something great that is managing these eyes. After all, when supposing, I come to London suddenly from some Indian forest, here I come I find, "Oh there’s a very nice train going", then I find a very nice tube station and I find, I’m moving from places to places and then there are all kinds of airy space halls for me. Then naturally, I’m confused that who’s doing all this after all, how is it that I reach here and I find all these things available for me? So, there has to be somebody behind this! But now, you may call it anything – you may call it Nature, God, that sort of shocks you, they do. You can call Him anything but there is some power that is organizing all this in the under current powers, about which we should know. Now, which is the way we can know this, is the point. Either by looking at the films and looking at the, say, houses or looking at the very local factories and things, by going out, meeting people, can you find out, do you think? I mean, it’s a very simple housewife search. Supposing, you want to find out, say, from where to get her knife and each other's. We don’t go to a newspaper to find it out. You ask another housewife about it that, "Where do you get this knife twisted like that, you know, from where?" In the same way, if you have to find out, what are these undercurrents, we have to approach people, who have known something about it, who show result in their own lives, those who have talked about it and when we go to that and try to find out, we find they also tally with our current know-how. They also talk the same thing as we are talking and these are undercurrents within us. Now, some of the people, who have talked about these chakras and about these Kundalini rising and all these things that are shown here, have been looking at it and seeing it – no doubt about it. You have heard about so many people like, you can say, the – what is the name of that lady who founded the organization? – Annie Besant. Annie Besant! She has written a lot about it. I mean, for you, English people, it would be a great thing to know that she has written it. But she just saw it. You see, she just saw the thing like I see you. She saw these things inside her – that means, she was not there. If you are there, you do not see it. She saw these things here. Now, for example, this is the chakra she feels – alright? Normally, they just see their chakras. They look and see this chakra or this chakra. Now, if they have seen, now you are seeing that means you are not inside this. But they have seen it, no doubt, they have seen it but they are not there. And they have not given the method how to be inside that. From outside you can see Caxton Hall but you are not inside; This is a very important point to know – that to go inside must be another way. But from outside, if you see anything! Say this chakra you see from outside, you may be going round and round and round it and that’s how you are seeing that chakra and that’s why, these people did see, no doubt about it. They were not sort of telling you lies or giving you some sort of a false idea about it but definitely, what they were describing, is not what we are seeing. We want to be in it, we want to be that. That’s why, some people say that, “Why did You try to describe these chakras?” I’ve heard people asking Me such questions. And none of the Sahaja Yogis will also see these chakras at all to begin with but they will just feel sometimes the Kundalini rising, they may see in other people the rising of the Kundalini through this, they can see also the pulsation here, they can feel it [UNCLEAR: another stroke, very Doppler signal], absolutely an abstract sort of a force which you cannot see but you start feeling the Collective Consciousness – that means, you become that. Now you don’t see your eyes, with which you see but you have eyes, you know that. So, the seeing of it has given us some idea that there is something beyond. They have helped us this way, you can say that, “Alright, they have seen something,” but they have gone by a wrong method by which they could only see but could not enter it. There has to be some force here which has to give us our evolutionary jump. We have evolved from amoeba to this stage, no doubt and there has to be something that has done this job; There is some force within us which has done this work. If we understand this much, that there is some purpose in evolution because certain things were discarded also. For example, big animals like mammoths and all those, have been discarded. Out of them, only elephant remained. Then some new animals came up – some of them have been discarded. Then again some were accepted. Some started growing further and further. If there is no purpose of life in evolution why should there be a growth of a man out of amoeba? Is the first question you should ask us, which none of the scientist have ever tried to ask because they cannot answer it well. But should come to us as the first question: why are we human-beings here sitting down? But this question doesn’t come to us, normally, because we take it for granted and that is the trick of the Nature. That is the trick of Nature, what we call as Maya in Sanskrit language, that you accept the trick of the Nature. Now, everyone of us know that we are going to die – which is the greatest trick of the Nature. Once, you see, Buddha was asked by his disciple Shukra. He said, “Which is the greatest Maya of this world? He said, “The greatest Maya of this world is, that everyone knows he’s going to die next moment, he may die next moment. Nothing can be said about his death but he doesn’t believe that he’s going to die – is the greatest illusion of this world.” In the same way, we take it for granted. It is the Nature’s skill to us that we take it for granted otherwise we would be all jumping on our heads all the time worried about our deaths, doing this, “Oh, tomorrow we have to die, tomorrow we have to evolve, what are we to do?” This settling within us of this, of what you call 'the shanti shakti', we have taken for granted is also a power given to us by Nature. And because of this, you see, we take for granted our being as it is: we use it and live for it. But in certain things we do not take it for granted and there where we have gone wrong. This is evolutionary force, which has to rise from here, has to go through this and open out this as the ultimate breakthrough for human-beings, is unable to be tried. Why? The reason is, we have spoilt all these centres by our efforts, by self destroying agencies we have put against ourselves. Either we destroy others or we destroy ourselves. We cannot sit quietly. Both things, according to Me, are just the same, because if you are a part and parcel of a one whole being, then even a part if that is you, if it is destroyed, is a part destroyed in the whole. If you destroy other parts, then of course, it is the destruction. But we only see the destruction of others but not of our own – the way we are destroying ourselves. So, we either move this way – left side or right side, as I call it, form a super-ego and ego all the time – either destroying others or destroying ourselves. So, this force of sustenance, which has to rise and has to give us that breakthrough, is obstructed by our efforts because we have no sense of judgment. I won’t say that Nature has not given us that power – it has given us this. It has also given us punch. You see, so many people have now denied by saying, “No, shut up we don’t believe in it. What’s wrong, what’s wrong?” You may try that but you see that is self-destroying. You have a conscience, no doubt you do feel bad about things that you should not have done, which you did just because it was a fashion or because that was the effort needed. You see, this effort is born out of our ego. A egoistical man cannot sit quiet. If you tell him to sit quiet, he’ll get up again. He’s a Jack-in-the-box, you see. Just ask him to sit down, “Please for a while just sit down, just keep quiet", so he will jump in, “No, I must do something, I’m just wasting my time.” And this kind of attitude that develops within us in the West – we should say, now, we’re facing the Western people, so I should talk about the West – in the West has really led to lots of inner destructions and poisons that we have got within ourselves. Actually, we are not war-mongerers at all anymore. We do not trouble others much but we torture ourselves. This is what has come to today’s situation as it is, as I find the people over here. Though you are the people, who do not support any wars or any cruelty outside, you are the people who are cruel to yourself – you are not kind to yourself. You don’t love, you have no respect for yourself, you have no values about yourself and you do not understand how important is this temple which you have not built – has been built from the time you were an amoeba, today you are a human-being – the whole thing has been built-up, specially for this purpose that the light has to come within you, you have to be enlightened. This has been laid down nicely within you. Among all of you people it is there, existing within. So, these centres that we have, all of them, are – one centre is down below there, is the red one as I have shown here, is called as the Mooladhara Chakra. It means 'the root of the support' or you can say, 'the support of the root' you can say – 'support of the root'. 'Mooladhara, support of the root'. Which is the root? Root is this one here and it is a support of the root and in scientific words you cannot understand what is the root of the person or personality. You cannot say which is the root, what are your roots. I mean, you cannot say that, “I came from England" and "I came from West Indies” – that’s not the thing. What are your roots? From where have you come and where have you to go? This is the support of that root which is going to manifest your personality. And this support extremely simple to understand this innocence – is the innocence. Innocence has been given to us by Nature. We may lose it but it is there and this is the sign where it exists. Innocence is in the animals; it is in all the matter. The matter is innocent. It neither attacks you nor it attacks itself – is innocent. You can use it whichever way you like but the matter is acting innocent. In the way, we can understand that it is, we can say, that it is neuter – it has no thinking about it so it is innocent. You are the only people, human-beings, have got the power either to be innocent or to be destroying that innocence within us. So, this is their root. This is the root and the root has got the support that is innocence. So, your roots have got the support, the feeling of the root is innocence. Or you can say, the roots are embedded in the innocence. The whole creation was created after innocence was generated not the contrary. So, innocence is such a big blessing and that is the innocence. Now, in scientific terminology, you cannot talk of innocence. Innocence is a part of human-beings you all know. In the children you find the innocence very clearly how they express their innocence. Now the new theory, I mean, I was amazed when I came in this country, to hear that there are people who believe that children are the most ego-oriented, extremely possessive and they are very dominating creatures. I was shocked at this; I mean, this theory just doesn’t tally with ours, you see. I said, “Now what these scientists have found out, God alone knows,” but by God’s Grace now they have found out it was a wrong thing. What happened that they found, a child, if you put before a child a ball, say example, hanging before him and the child tries to grab the ball – that’s what they detected from the movements of the child’s hands but later on, when they watched the child later on, you see, they found that it is not so because you can see in life how children are generous, so they couldn’t understand, why this in the beginning children behave in this manner. Then they found out that, if you have a slow-motion picture, absolutely a slow-motion picture, then you find, that the small children are moving their hands just like toys because they have got a flying capacity and they are trying to try that flying trick that they know and they just do flying – it’s not the grabbing but is the flying; Their hands move like this, just like that, with the impulse that they see something, they start flying. Now just imagine, what a big mistake it was, to treat your children on these bases that they are very ego-oriented, that they are very possessive. Now, such mistakes are committed and something terrible all the people have done – one of them has been done to this centre also. Because when you start finding out things through effort, you can just break your nose, can just clip off your ears – anything can happen because you are moving into dark. So first we must ask for enlightenment, we must ask for the light to see what are we doing. This is the first thing that we have to ask for. If there is no light, whatever you are doing or not doing, you do not know what you are doing. This is a jarring example. I mean, imagine all the children of the world, get condemned by this great theory that came out of somebody’s brains, that they are trying to grab everything. They have no sense of possession, they have no sense of, you see, they do not understand your economic things and they do not understand how much an antique costs and how much does that cost. How can they do all these things? But even such a horrible theory was accepted and you know the result of it – that the way you have been treating our children, has been terrible. But now, when one theory has been accepted by which people have suffered, I don’t know how much time it will take because another theory to come up to be kind to these children of ours. In the same way, the theories about this center have been very, very, absolutely so damaging, so damaging that your, you see, person like Me, I get a fear to think about it. This center, is a very important center because it is your, the support of your root, it is the support of your root and on this center, people have written books after books by saying, that this is the center which controls the sex and they got this wonderful idea that this center because it is there and it is at the support and because it controls the sex and because they have seen it there – also they have seen the deity there sits, which has got a trunk like a elephant, so they have called it that the Kundalini itself, the residual force itself sits there. Now, this is one of the greatest and the gravest mistake that these tantrikas have done to all the seekers of the world. Sex is important, is sacred, something great, human-beings must have it, they have to have children, if they have to have development of their being. There’s nothing wrong in sex and sex has to be properly appreciated and is to be respected in it’s proper way and it’s not to be vulgar but it has to be innocent sex which should be spontaneous and not deliberate by thinking about it and pornography. The more these people do pornography and all that, the more they will become impotent because it is potent only under circumstances where it is allowed to be spontaneous – is a very great danger all of you are facing, when you do so much about it. Allow it to work out more spontaneously in the sacred way. Is the most beautiful thing to be enjoyed by all of you – God has given you that but the way we have ruined it now, you have no idea how most we have lost that, how much the whole thing is just the opposite of it. I mean, it’s joy giving – it will never give you joy but obsession. So, first of all I must tell you, that there is nothing wrong in sex but when you start thinking that sex can give you realization or that the Kundalini is sitting at the sex point, that you have to do sex for that, that is the end of everything – that is Hell, I tell you. We have had some disciples here, you have seen, the some people came to us and they told they went to some lama, who did sex into them. Imagine Buddha’s disciples doing like this, I mean, I cannot imagine things like that. Even Christians, how can they believe a thing like that, that you can achieve realization through sex? Sex energy, I don’t know what you call that, you see. See after another blind person was Mr. Freud, absolutely blind; He didn’t know much about the whole, whole being, he knew just a part of it, he knew a very little part of it, he did not know much of it. He had ideas about these things from his own life, from his own character, the way he was biased about things and the foremost thing, he played on our weakness. You see, somebody plays on our weaknesses, tries to be nice to us, we must understand he’s our weakness and if he plays on our strength, he’s our friend and that’s how he did it and that’s how he completely brainwashed people over here, to say that, “Sex activity should be, there should be no inhibition, there should be liberation, this and this.” What is this liberation? – Is enslavement of sex morning till evening. Is it liberation by any chance? You are liberated when you can master it but when you are in slave of it, you cannot even control your eyes for two minutes, what sort of a liberation it is? And that’s why we have to understand fully well, that sex has to be respected, has to be sacred and is right, even today when we call it a liberated society. Still, still whatever you may try, you see, you cannot create a complete vacuum I can see. Even now, I do not find people doing sex on the street. Still, I have seen, you see, many old people having young girls around and all that of it; on the street, I don’t see. Still, they feel shy. It’s just their shyness in them. Still then, whatever you may try with your liberty or things like that, still a man feels hurt if his sister is raped. Still there are so many things, if you see that, you don’t like the way things are. There is absolutely a gift to all of us. Even today when you are supposed to be so liberated, I have yet to come across a man and a woman, really if you talk to them personally, who are not jealous Why should you be jealous? You are not jealous if ten people are into it together? Why are you jealous? If one woman tries to spoil another family or a one man spoils another woman’s family life, why should they be jealous? All these have been built within us and this is a very important point which we neglect; Because of this, we have lost all the joy of life. All the joy of life is lost completely because sex is for giving you joy and not frustration. In this chakra there is a deity, who came as Christ on this Earth – He’s an embodiment of innocence and He is the deity, which was created, first of all, as Shri Ganesha, as we call Him, who has a trunk of a, of an elephant. Now, there’s a story behind it also why this has been given it. But a simple thing is, that an animal, any animal, does not have these things closed as he [the human being] has – like the ego and super-ego, like the fontanel bone is not closed in the animals – means they remain innocent. Once this is closed here, then the innocence is lost, in the sense that you have given I-ness; You become Mr. Such and Such, you become Mr. Such and Such and you become a different personality. This is not among animals at all. Only at the human stage you are given the I-ness. Has a reason for that also, this I-ness is given. And that is why the child Ganesha has no ego. He’s directly connected with the Divine and whatever He works out, is only the work of the Divine. He is not at all putting His ego or super-ego in between; It’s a hollow personality. Is a hollow, we can say, a very hollow entity or you can say a Deity which is being used to permeate innocence on this earth. And that was Christ. I wonder, how many of us know really, the great nature of Christ. Morning till evening we say, “O Christ,” this one will say, “O Christ,” doing all sorts of nonsensical things, which should not be done in the presence of Christ but we do and we think we are Christians. To understand His nature, you have to master this centre. I will never say that you give up married life – not at all. You all should get married, must have families, must live a very normal family life absolutely – that’s not the point but there should be sacredness about this because the greatest Deity, is the greatest of all because He’s the principle of life, is the tatwamasi, as you call the tatwa and is the principle of life, is innocence. And that is sitting down there and you see children have no sense of sex at all. Now, this Mr. great, Freud, I don’t know from where he detected certain things, saying that the children have got this and all that – is all nonsense. He just knows one side is this side, that too, up to, I don’t know, how much point he knows. He was not meditative at all. You cannot know these things by judging some pathological cases. He himself was a pathological case, I would say, he was a psychopath himself and the people, who came to him, were all psychopaths and pathological cases cannot determine what these are to fit. They cannot say, normal people. He never treated normal people. I mean, normal do not go near him. I mean, people are shocked, you know, when they heard such things. In India, always they will say, “He’s mad.” Nobody believes in all this. If you go and tell them, they’ll say, “Oh, oh, you tell somebody else, we know them.” Such mad people are born again and again on this earth. But for us, you see, he proved us through the psychological cases. Now supposing, take a case of a doctor. Now, he’s treating ulcer or say, he’s treating, some sort of a, he’s treating cancer. So, he takes a cancer patient and says, “This is cancer and this has happened and this has happened,” and then he says, “Everybody has cancer.” Will you accept it? These are all psychological cases which he has dealt with and naturally they are psychological because they are abnormal. So that is not normal, is a simple deduction. But I don’t know, how he reached that point. Never take them seriously. Have they tried any normal people, natural people? And that’s why, you see, when these people tried – I wouldn’t say, that he did it for money or anything, he really, really just he believed in it what he did – but it was such a partial truth and partial truth can be very injurious and can be very dangerous. But the way we accepted him has created this problem for us of the left-hand side, as I call it. Just we don't know where we surround, as far as the sex is concerned. One should have a clear-cut idea as to how we lead a sex life. But you don’t have to discuss about it and sit down. Allow the spontaneity to work it out. This is what it is because, the Deity there, is innocent. Children don’t understand sex, they don’t understand private part or anything – they do not. If you are nude, they will just say, “You have this and you have that,” and they talk so sweetly about it – they do not understand it is private. Only when you grow this, again the development of this fontanel bone being calcified, that is the only time when we start thinking about this and the shyness starts. I think, that might be the point when we can say, Eve and Adam got their freedom. Eve and Adam got their freedom by becoming themselves, by this fontanel bone being absolutely calcified. At this juncture when you become absolutely independent, it is, you are made because you have to evolve like a more than what you are. You have to find out things, somethings, some of the things which you should know and deduct by your wisdom. You have to learn how to use your wisdom because you are the people, who are the flowers, who are the blossoms of this creation, the whole creation – imagine you are the people! And if you are not even independent to decide for yourself, if you are still children and not matured enough to decide, then what’s the use of giving realization to you? You have to understand this dynamic force, you have to use it, you have to manoeuvre it, you have to give realization to people and you have to change the whole world. All this has to be done through your agency and such people, if they are still like babies and they don’t understand what to do about things [UNCLEAR]. That’s why, at this stage, at the human stage, God has – I shouldn’t say God but Nature has closed this. It closes down. Why? Why don’t we ask ourselves? Why does it close down here? Animals don’t close it. Why do we have to calcify to close here? Why human-beings do it? How they do it? We never think about it. So, you are special, you are made like that, you have special ideas, you understand things much more, you are definitely evolved in the sense, you have greater sense of awareness. You understand what is beauty, you understand what is filth to begin with – animals do not. Whether take a horse or a lion, for them filth is nothing. They do not know what is filth. You pass them through any dirty place for them it has no meaning. You take them to any filthy area, they will sit down there nicely and enjoy themselves. They are not going to bother about, whether there are flowers or not, whether there are gardens or not – they are not bothered. So, the first thing is, we find that, they have no sense of fragrance knowledge. This is also the same centre gives you – the sense of fragrance. Now, the fragrance has gone to such a limit, you see, we have nice perfumes – we use lots of perfumes because we cannot stand filthy odour and things like that – but animals, do they need any perfumes? They can live, they are quite happy about it. They are not bothered as to whether they are in an atmosphere where there is perfume or not. But they have a sense of smell, no doubt. Sense of smell they have but not the sense of fragrance that we have. We are specially blessed to have a sense of fragrance because later on you will know after realization, that sense of fragrance helps you to recognize the realized souls and not only realized souls but also the person whom we call as Incarnation. I wish people had that sense, when Christ was born – they would have never allowed this crucifixion. Then you understand who has the fragrance and who does not. So, the sense of fragrance is developed in this centre. We have another sense in this centre. Human-beings have a special sense of aesthetics. Animals don’t have any aesthetics. Whether you put red, black, yellow, anything makes no difference to them. They know the colour. They have a colour sense alright. They have colour sense. Supposing, you show them red light first and give them a food to eat and then give them blue light and don’t give any food, as soon as you put the red light, their saliva glands will start secreting – means they have a sense of colour. But they have no sense of aesthetics. They cannot understand what is seen up, picture of this place, how it is placed, is it proportionate or not – it’s proportionated. Wherever they are, if you give them food to eat, they will eat but for us the food must be laid down in a way that it should be appealing to our aesthetics otherwise we don’t feel like eating. It is looking horrid, then we just don’t want to eat. We are very sensitive people, if you see that – we are extremely sensitive, it’s true. To understand aesthetics, you see, we take it for granted. We just take it for granted that we have aesthetics and the more the society is improving, the aesthetics are improving. People are very aesthetically sensitive in the West, extremely aesthetically equipped – they understand what are they. This, this centre of creativity within us gives us the subtle point of aesthetics within human-beings which is higher than animals. But then, what is the higher sense of this? As I’ve told you about the fragrance, now aesthetics are alright. We see the colour of this and that and that, but we have no spiritual aesthetics. We do not understand spiritual aesthetics. That is only possible after realization that you immediately understand what is spiritual aesthetics because you start getting vibrations. Aesthetically whatever is absolutely correct, will only give vibrations. There is a coefficient which works out a formula, which works out these vibrations. A thing may look horrid to us, if you say, “Now, this is an art.”, you see, I don’t know how it is but just can’t look at it – it’s terrible but it has got an academic award. I don’t know, how people have given it, what have they judged it for. Now, after realization you see, then you will be able to decide exactly whether it is aesthetically correct or not. If it is correct, it will be vibrating. Like we’ll say Mozart now. To you Mozart or anybody else is just the same. To Me Mozart is great because as soon as you play his music, vibrations start flowing. We have artists like that. We have many artists who you may think that, “Very good he’s playing and this and that,” but an artist who is a realized soul, you can immediately understand that he is the best that will give you greatest pleasure. The joy giving quality of an particular art is to be greater for a spiritually awakened person than for another ordinary type because he can feel the joy coming into him – he does not have to talk, you are in thoughtless awareness, you are just watching the thing and the joy is pouring into you and you feel so happy with the whole thing – you just unstart it. So, there are some great artists, who might have been neglected and have been rejected by the society, abused because these days, you see, an artist must show a new rule – that’s important. If it is not new, it is not art. Everything is ending up in the market, you see. So not necessarily, a new picture may give proper vibrations, may not give vibrations. The person, who has made it, is very important. If the person who has made it, is a realized soul, he cannot make anything that is not aesthetically correct – he cannot because, you see, he goes on balancing, balancing till he feels happy. When he feels happy, means he gets vibrations and he feels happy about it so you get the real thing. For example, some of the paintings of Christ, I mean, there are [UNCLEAR: so ill yet]. One cannot bear them, the lanky panky Christ absolutely looking so miserable – I think, it’s the projection of the artist himself, to show Him miserable. Now, we can understand, if even with rationality. How can a person, like Christ be that miserable? The One, who has come to remove the miseries of the whole world, looking that miserable and lanky panky fellow, that everybody should have pity on Him. We must have reverence. We should see His body and face we should depend on Him – He is the support of the whole world – that’s how He’s been described and how can we have such a dainty darling there, weeping and crying and melancholy fellow. See, this is the idea we have got about art, which should complete later, the joy, the bubbling joy we can see in things and in paintings and in the faces also. Then our aesthetics change, absolutely change and we start enjoying it in the real sense, not that somebody has given you an award, so you have to think, "Yes, it is. They have given an award, so there must be something about it." You must sit down and work it out. No, it is not to be worked out, it is a spontaneous thing! As soon as you feel the joy, you’re great and you’ll see the thing and it’s, “Oh, that’s it, that’s it,” just enjoy and you do not talk about it, think about it but the joy itself, which was in the heart of the artist, is reflected in your own being and you start the whole thing rippling, completely rippling with joy. And that is the spontaneous thing that should happen to all of us and not this working it out, thinking it, writing criticism for it – what is the criticism? As soon as you see it, you know it is there. A child can make it out better than we because we are so complicated. Even joy, you want to think about it – mean how can it? To Me a person, I’m different type, you see, I cannot understand, how can you sit down and describe joy? I’ve seen people describing, even a painting. How can you describe? You just look at it and you know, “O, it is joy.” But you have to be that to feel it. When this centre is enlightened, then you get the sense of aesthetics, which are Spiritual. In India, now there are many temples, as you must have heard, are, there are temples, where, you see, there are living deities are there – it’s a fact. Now, in the Bible, if you read what is not allowed, is that you are not going to recreate anything that is created in the Earth, on the Earth or in the Heavens. Means, those which are created by Mother Earth as living deities, you should not recreate them because when you start recreating, you being non-realized people, you will be putting your ideas into it, you’ll be making money out of it, you’ll be selling them in the market and that’s how you’ll spoil the whole complete vibrations and it is very, very difficult to get even a sensible deity element. Whether in India or anywhere. I’ve seen many temples, many churches and what I find, they’re all good for nothing – useless. But there are some very good ones also. For example, I went to Paris and this Notre-Dame, you see, there’s the statue of the Mother, is absolutely emit vibrations – absolute – the one who has made it has [UNCLEAR: created it up]. The other day, I found a very nice marble statue made of – I don’t know where it was made of a Victorian material and they just picked it up from the one junk shop and it’s beautiful, it has got vibrations. If you’re realized, you can seek for this. This sense is developed in enlightened being. I’m answering your question throughout, if you see. You see, you had asked Me, “What is enlightenment?” See, now. So, this is your first enlightenment, that you know the fragrance of a realized soul. Is the first one. The second centre gives you the idea of Spiritual aesthetics, who is spiritually awakened. You’ll find now, many people who give realization, how somebody nice comes in, everybody will, “Come, come, come, come see his vibrations,” and they’re like children sitting and taking all the vibrations and feeling it so nice within themselves, “O, come, come, see.” Maybe the person is a poor man, maybe the person is from a very low caste or maybe low society or whatever it is but, "See the vibrations – so beautiful!" We had somebody making in our building, somebody was preparing our roof, you see and we had to lift up something. So some of the Sahaja Yogis came down to help Me there and they said, “We’ll call some gentleman.” So, the one who came to us, you see, they all were enamoured. They said, “Look at this one! He’s had some ones." And why were they, were so much appreciating? He’s an ordinary beggar! But see, great, and they called him again and again and I also said, “What can I do for you?" and all that. So, he couldn’t understand, why was he so important to us but he was emitting vibrations. So, this is a thing, is that by through this you know how, how the aesthetics are correct vibration-wise. Secondly, by developing this, by enlightenment of this, you also create things which are correct spiritually, absolutely correct. Those who will make anything, even a child who’s a realized soul, you see, it will make something like a frog say, out of this plasticine you give, you will start that plasticine will start giving vibrations; It’s most surprising. I have seen some children working with some clay, you see, some of these realized souls and they make some funny shapes but immediately the vibrations start coming because they would not tolerate anything that doesn’t give them vibrations, so they’ll remove a part, they’ll add up a part and shape it in such a way that it is aesthetic in sense, Spiritualist. So that is the second thing which gives us this enlightenment. I don’t know, whether I can cover seven of them but this is what it is. Now, this is a very important centre in the navel, as we call it, the Nabhi Chakra. This one is called as Swadishthan and this is a Nabhi Chakra in the centre, which manifests our Solar Plexus. This manifests our…

The First Three Chakras Or How To Approach Sahaja Yoga Caxton Hall, London (England), 20-11-1978 (Partial transcription: first part.) …and that gives us our evolutionary ascent. This central force, as I have shown you here, is first in the residual form, kept in the triangular bone and is called as Kundalini. The word 'Kundalini', in the Sanskrit language, means – 'Kundal' means 'the coil'; it means 'coil'. Kundalini – when it is a feminine of Kundal – 'Kundal' means 'a coil like the', you see, you can say, 'the curl' or 'a coil'. When the feminine gender is used, it is called as Kundalini. Now this is the residual force, which has made the zygote, as you call it, or you can say the embryo, and the residual of it settles down there. It is much more than that – I’m not going into details about it how this force, which force it is – it is a subconscious state, you can say. That is all your subconscious – all your lives – even from amoeba to this stage. Whatever you have been doing, whatever have been your searches, whatever lives you have had, whatever genes you have passed through, like, we can say, if you were, say, a liar, it is all recorded. Then also it records all that has been happening in this present life also. Through this, through this area, in the subconscious area, it passes and is recorded here and kept everything recorded: whatever you are taking and experiencing and putting to your subconscious. That subconscious area is all being recorded in that micro, you can say, a micro-tape. And all that is, though recorded, has also got the power to think, coordinate, to organize and to use whenever it is required. I mean, we cannot think of such a record, or a record player or we can say, a tape record, which works out all these things together. It is fantastic to believe that there could be such a part but there is. I mean, even if you see our eyes, they are fantastic things – I mean, we take them for granted, absolutely taken for granted. We cannot make even one eye with all of our scientific knowledge and everything, we cannot make one living human eye. Let us accept it. So, every one of us have got two nice eyes, which are such complicated things and the way they react and work out, there must be some sort of a power behind it, some sort of an organization, some sort of a complete co-related, you can say, a big institution, which is actually integrated and is related to something great that is managing these eyes. After all, when supposing, I come to London suddenly from some Indian forest, here I come I find, "Oh there’s a very nice train going", then I find a very nice tube station and I find, I’m moving from places to places and then there are all kinds of airy space halls for me. Then naturally, I’m confused that who’s doing all this after all, how is it that I reach here and I find all these things available for me? So, there has to be somebody behind this! But now, you may call it anything – you may call it Nature, God, that sort of shocks you, they do. You can call Him anything but there is some power that is organizing all this in the under current powers, about which we should know. Now, which is the way we can know this, is the point. Either by looking at the films and looking at the, say, houses or looking at the very local factories and things, by going out, meeting people, can you find out, do you think? I mean, it’s a very simple housewife search. Supposing, you want to find out, say, from where to get her knife and each other's. We don’t go to a newspaper to find it out. You ask another housewife about it that, "Where do you get this knife twisted like that, you know, from where?" In the same way, if you have to find out, what are these undercurrents, we have to approach people, who have known something about it, who show result in their own lives, those who have talked about it and when we go to that and try to find out, we find they also tally with our current know-how. They also talk the same thing as we are talking and these are undercurrents within us. Now, some of the people, who have talked about these chakras and about these Kundalini rising and all these things that are shown here, have been looking at it and seeing it – no doubt about it. You have heard about so many people like, you can say, the – what is the name of that lady who founded the organization? – Annie Besant. Annie Besant! She has written a lot about it. I mean, for you, English people, it would be a great thing to know that she has written it. But she just saw it. You see, she just saw the thing like I see you. She saw these things inside her – that means, she was not there. If you are there, you do not see it. She saw these things here. Now, for example, this is the chakra she feels – alright? Normally, they just see their chakras. They look and see this chakra or this chakra. Now, if they have seen, now you are seeing that means you are not inside this. But they have seen it, no doubt, they have seen it but they are not there. And they have not given the method how to be inside that. From outside you can see Caxton Hall but you are not inside; This is a very important point to know – that to go inside must be another way. But from outside, if you see anything! Say this chakra you see from outside, you may be going round and round and round it and that’s how you are seeing that chakra and that’s why, these people did see, no doubt about it. They were not sort of telling you lies or giving you some sort of a false idea about it but definitely, what they were describing, is not what we are seeing. We want to be in it, we want to be that. That’s why, some people say that, “Why did You try to describe these chakras?” I’ve heard people asking Me such questions. And none of the Sahaja Yogis will also see these chakras at all to begin with but they will just feel sometimes the Kundalini rising, they may see in other people the rising of the Kundalini through this, they can see also the pulsation here, they can feel it [UNCLEAR: another stroke, very Doppler signal], absolutely an abstract sort of a force which you cannot see but you start feeling the Collective Consciousness – that means, you become that. Now you don’t see your eyes, with which you see but you have eyes, you know that. So, the seeing of it has given us some idea that there is something beyond. They have helped us this way, you can say that, “Alright, they have seen something,” but they have gone by a wrong method by which they could only see but could not enter it. There has to be some force here which has to give us our evolutionary jump. We have evolved from amoeba to this stage, no doubt and there has to be something that has done this job; There is some force within us which has done this work. If we understand this much, that there is some purpose in evolution because certain things were discarded also. For example, big animals like mammoths and all those, have been discarded. Out of them, only elephant remained. Then some new animals came up – some of them have been discarded. Then again some were accepted. Some started growing further and further. If there is no purpose of life in evolution why should there be a growth of a man out of amoeba? Is the first question you should ask us, which none of the scientist have ever tried to ask because they cannot answer it well. But should come to us as the first question: why are we human-beings here sitting down? But this question doesn’t come to us, normally, because we take it for granted and that is the trick of the Nature. That is the trick of Nature, what we call as Maya in Sanskrit language, that you accept the trick of the Nature. Now, everyone of us know that we are going to die – which is the greatest trick of the Nature. Once, you see, Buddha was asked by his disciple Shukra. He said, “Which is the greatest Maya of this world? He said, “The greatest Maya of this world is, that everyone knows he’s going to die next moment, he may die next moment. Nothing can be said about his death but he doesn’t believe that he’s going to die – is the greatest illusion of this world.” In the same way, we take it for granted. It is the Nature’s skill to us that we take it for granted otherwise we would be all jumping on our heads all the time worried about our deaths, doing this, “Oh, tomorrow we have to die, tomorrow we have to evolve, what are we to do?” This settling within us of this, of what you call 'the shanti shakti', we have taken for granted is also a power given to us by Nature. And because of this, you see, we take for granted our being as it is: we use it and live for it. But in certain things we do not take it for granted and there where we have gone wrong. This is evolutionary force, which has to rise from here, has to go through this and open out this as the ultimate breakthrough for human-beings, is unable to be tried. Why? The reason is, we have spoilt all these centres by our efforts, by self destroying agencies we have put against ourselves. Either we destroy others or we destroy ourselves. We cannot sit quietly. Both things, according to Me, are just the same, because if you are a part and parcel of a one whole being, then even a part if that is you, if it is destroyed, is a part destroyed in the whole. If you destroy other parts, then of course, it is the destruction. But we only see the destruction of others but not of our own – the way we are destroying ourselves. So, we either move this way – left side or right side, as I call it, form a super-ego and ego all the time – either destroying others or destroying ourselves. So, this force of sustenance, which has to rise and has to give us that breakthrough, is obstructed by our efforts because we have no sense of judgment. I won’t say that Nature has not given us that power – it has given us this. It has also given us punch. You see, so many people have now denied by saying, “No, shut up we don’t believe in it. What’s wrong, what’s wrong?” You may try that but you see that is self-destroying. You have a conscience, no doubt you do feel bad about things that you should not have done, which you did just because it was a fashion or because that was the effort needed. You see, this effort is born out of our ego. A egoistical man cannot sit quiet. If you tell him to sit quiet, he’ll get up again. He’s a Jack-in-the-box, you see. Just ask him to sit down, “Please for a while just sit down, just keep quiet", so he will jump in, “No, I must do something, I’m just wasting my time.” And this kind of attitude that develops within us in the West – we should say, now, we’re facing the Western people, so I should talk about the West – in the West has really led to lots of inner destructions and poisons that we have got within ourselves. Actually, we are not war-mongerers at all anymore. We do not trouble others much but we torture ourselves. This is what has come to today’s situation as it is, as I find the people over here. Though you are the people, who do not support any wars or any cruelty outside, you are the people who are cruel to yourself – you are not kind to yourself. You don’t love, you have no respect for yourself, you have no values about yourself and you do not understand how important is this temple which you have not built – has been built from the time you were an amoeba, today you are a human-being – the whole thing has been built-up, specially for this purpose that the light has to come within you, you have to be enlightened. This has been laid down nicely within you. Among all of you people it is there, existing within. So, these centres that we have, all of them, are – one centre is down below there, is the red one as I have shown here, is called as the Mooladhara Chakra. It means 'the root of the support' or you can say, 'the support of the root' you can say – 'support of the root'. 'Mooladhara, support of the root'. Which is the root? Root is this one here and it is a support of the root and in scientific words you cannot understand what is the root of the person or personality. You cannot say which is the root, what are your roots. I mean, you cannot say that, “I came from England" and "I came from West Indies” – that’s not the thing. What are your roots? From where have you come and where have you to go? This is the support of that root which is going to manifest your personality. And this support extremely simple to understand this innocence – is the innocence. Innocence has been given to us by Nature. We may lose it but it is there and this is the sign where it exists. Innocence is in the animals; it is in all the matter. The matter is innocent. It neither attacks you nor it attacks itself – is innocent. You can use it whichever way you like but the matter is acting innocent. In the way, we can understand that it is, we can say, that it is neuter – it has no thinking about it so it is innocent. You are the only people, human-beings, have got the power either to be innocent or to be destroying that innocence within us. So, this is their root. This is the root and the root has got the support that is innocence. So, your roots have got the support, the feeling of the root is innocence. Or you can say, the roots are embedded in the innocence. The whole creation was created after innocence was generated not the contrary. So, innocence is such a big blessing and that is the innocence. Now, in scientific terminology, you cannot talk of innocence. Innocence is a part of human-beings you all know. In the children you find the innocence very clearly how they express their innocence. Now the new theory, I mean, I was amazed when I came in this country, to hear that there are people who believe that children are the most ego-oriented, extremely possessive and they are very dominating creatures. I was shocked at this; I mean, this theory just doesn’t tally with ours, you see. I said, “Now what these scientists have found out, God alone knows,” but by God’s Grace now they have found out it was a wrong thing. What happened that they found, a child, if you put before a child a ball, say example, hanging before him and the child tries to grab the ball – that’s what they detected from the movements of the child’s hands but later on, when they watched the child later on, you see, they found that it is not so because you can see in life how children are generous, so they couldn’t understand, why this in the beginning children behave in this manner. Then they found out that, if you have a slow-motion picture, absolutely a slow-motion picture, then you find, that the small children are moving their hands just like toys because they have got a flying capacity and they are trying to try that flying trick that they know and they just do flying – it’s not the grabbing but is the flying; Their hands move like this, just like that, with the impulse that they see something, they start flying. Now just imagine, what a big mistake it was, to treat your children on these bases that they are very ego-oriented, that they are very possessive. Now, such mistakes are committed and something terrible all the people have done – one of them has been done to this centre also. Because when you start finding out things through effort, you can just break your nose, can just clip off your ears – anything can happen because you are moving into dark. So first we must ask for enlightenment, we must ask for the light to see what are we doing. This is the first thing that we have to ask for. If there is no light, whatever you are doing or not doing, you do not know what you are doing. This is a jarring example. I mean, imagine all the children of the world, get condemned by this great theory that came out of somebody’s brains, that they are trying to grab everything. They have no sense of possession, they have no sense of, you see, they do not understand your economic things and they do not understand how much an antique costs and how much does that cost. How can they do all these things? But even such a horrible theory was accepted and you know the result of it – that the way you have been treating our children, has been terrible. But now, when one theory has been accepted by which people have suffered, I don’t know how much time it will take because another theory to come up to be kind to these children of ours. In the same way, the theories about this center have been very, very, absolutely so damaging, so damaging that your, you see, person like Me, I get a fear to think about it. This center, is a very important center because it is your, the support of your root, it is the support of your root and on this center, people have written books after books by saying, that this is the center which controls the sex and they got this wonderful idea that this center because it is there and it is at the support and because it controls the sex and because they have seen it there – also they have seen the deity there sits, which has got a trunk like a elephant, so they have called it that the Kundalini itself, the residual force itself sits there. Now, this is one of the greatest and the gravest mistake that these tantrikas have done to all the seekers of the world. Sex is important, is sacred, something great, human-beings must have it, they have to have children, if they have to have development of their being. There’s nothing wrong in sex and sex has to be properly appreciated and is to be respected in it’s proper way and it’s not to be vulgar but it has to be innocent sex which should be spontaneous and not deliberate by thinking about it and pornography. The more these people do pornography and all that, the more they will become impotent because it is potent only under circumstances where it is allowed to be spontaneous – is a very great danger all of you are facing, when you do so much about it. Allow it to work out more spontaneously in the sacred way. Is the most beautiful thing to be enjoyed by all of you – God has given you that but the way we have ruined it now, you have no idea how most we have lost that, how much the whole thing is just the opposite of it. I mean, it’s joy giving – it will never give you joy but obsession. So, first of all I must tell you, that there is nothing wrong in sex but when you start thinking that sex can give you realization or that the Kundalini is sitting at the sex point, that you have to do sex for that, that is the end of everything – that is Hell, I tell you. We have had some disciples here, you have seen, the some people came to us and they told they went to some lama, who did sex into them. Imagine Buddha’s disciples doing like this, I mean, I cannot imagine things like that. Even Christians, how can they believe a thing like that, that you can achieve realization through sex? Sex energy, I don’t know what you call that, you see. See after another blind person was Mr. Freud, absolutely blind; He didn’t know much about the whole, whole being, he knew just a part of it, he knew a very little part of it, he did not know much of it. He had ideas about these things from his own life, from his own character, the way he was biased about things and the foremost thing, he played on our weakness. You see, somebody plays on our weaknesses, tries to be nice to us, we must understand he’s our weakness and if he plays on our strength, he’s our friend and that’s how he did it and that’s how he completely brainwashed people over here, to say that, “Sex activity should be, there should be no inhibition, there should be liberation, this and this.” What is this liberation? – Is enslavement of sex morning till evening. Is it liberation by any chance? You are liberated when you can master it but when you are in slave of it, you cannot even control your eyes for two minutes, what sort of a liberation it is? And that’s why we have to understand fully well, that sex has to be respected, has to be sacred and is right, even today when we call it a liberated society. Still, still whatever you may try, you see, you cannot create a complete vacuum I can see. Even now, I do not find people doing sex on the street. Still, I have seen, you see, many old people having young girls around and all that of it; on the street, I don’t see. Still, they feel shy. It’s just their shyness in them. Still then, whatever you may try with your liberty or things like that, still a man feels hurt if his sister is raped. Still there are so many things, if you see that, you don’t like the way things are. There is absolutely a gift to all of us. Even today when you are supposed to be so liberated, I have yet to come across a man and a woman, really if you talk to them personally, who are not jealous Why should you be jealous? You are not jealous if ten people are into it together? Why are you jealous? If one woman tries to spoil another family or a one man spoils another woman’s family life, why should they be jealous? All these have been built within us and this is a very important point which we neglect; Because of this, we have lost all the joy of life. All the joy of life is lost completely because sex is for giving you joy and not frustration. In this chakra there is a deity, who came as Christ on this Earth – He’s an embodiment of innocence and He is the deity, which was created, first of all, as Shri Ganesha, as we call Him, who has a trunk of a, of an elephant. Now, there’s a story behind it also why this has been given it. But a simple thing is, that an animal, any animal, does not have these things closed as he [the human being] has – like the ego and super-ego, like the fontanel bone is not closed in the animals – means they remain innocent. Once this is closed here, then the innocence is lost, in the sense that you have given I-ness; You become Mr. Such and Such, you become Mr. Such and Such and you become a different personality. This is not among animals at all. Only at the human stage you are given the I-ness. Has a reason for that also, this I-ness is given. And that is why the child Ganesha has no ego. He’s directly connected with the Divine and whatever He works out, is only the work of the Divine. He is not at all putting His ego or super-ego in between; It’s a hollow personality. Is a hollow, we can say, a very hollow entity or you can say a Deity which is being used to permeate innocence on this earth. And that was Christ. I wonder, how many of us know really, the great nature of Christ. Morning till evening we say, “O Christ,” this one will say, “O Christ,” doing all sorts of nonsensical things, which should not be done in the presence of Christ but we do and we think we are Christians. To understand His nature, you have to master this centre. I will never say that you give up married life – not at all. You all should get married, must have families, must live a very normal family life absolutely – that’s not the point but there should be sacredness about this because the greatest Deity, is the greatest of all because He’s the principle of life, is the tatwamasi, as you call the tatwa and is the principle of life, is innocence. And that is sitting down there and you see children have no sense of sex at all. Now, this Mr. great, Freud, I don’t know from where he detected certain things, saying that the children have got this and all that – is all nonsense. He just knows one side is this side, that too, up to, I don’t know, how much point he knows. He was not meditative at all. You cannot know these things by judging some pathological cases. He himself was a pathological case, I would say, he was a psychopath himself and the people, who came to him, were all psychopaths and pathological cases cannot determine what these are to fit. They cannot say, normal people. He never treated normal people. I mean, normal do not go near him. I mean, people are shocked, you know, when they heard such things. In India, always they will say, “He’s mad.” Nobody believes in all this. If you go and tell them, they’ll say, “Oh, oh, you tell somebody else, we know them.” Such mad people are born again and again on this earth. But for us, you see, he proved us through the psychological cases. Now supposing, take a case of a doctor. Now, he’s treating ulcer or say, he’s treating, some sort of a, he’s treating cancer. So, he takes a cancer patient and says, “This is cancer and this has happened and this has happened,” and then he says, “Everybody has cancer.” Will you accept it? These are all psychological cases which he has dealt with and naturally they are psychological because they are abnormal. So that is not normal, is a simple deduction. But I don’t know, how he reached that point. Never take them seriously. Have they tried any normal people, natural people? And that’s why, you see, when these people tried – I wouldn’t say, that he did it for money or anything, he really, really just he believed in it what he did – but it was such a partial truth and partial truth can be very injurious and can be very dangerous. But the way we accepted him has created this problem for us of the left-hand side, as I call it. Just we don't know where we surround, as far as the sex is concerned. One should have a clear-cut idea as to how we lead a sex life. But you don’t have to discuss about it and sit down. Allow the spontaneity to work it out. This is what it is because, the Deity there, is innocent. Children don’t understand sex, they don’t understand private part or anything – they do not. If you are nude, they will just say, “You have this and you have that,” and they talk so sweetly about it – they do not understand it is private. Only when you grow this, again the development of this fontanel bone being calcified, that is the only time when we start thinking about this and the shyness starts. I think, that might be the point when we can say, Eve and Adam got their freedom. Eve and Adam got their freedom by becoming themselves, by this fontanel bone being absolutely calcified. At this juncture when you become absolutely independent, it is, you are made because you have to evolve like a more than what you are. You have to find out things, somethings, some of the things which you should know and deduct by your wisdom. You have to learn how to use your wisdom because you are the people, who are the flowers, who are the blossoms of this creation, the whole creation – imagine you are the people! And if you are not even independent to decide for yourself, if you are still children and not matured enough to decide, then what’s the use of giving realization to you? You have to understand this dynamic force, you have to use it, you have to manoeuvre it, you have to give realization to people and you have to change the whole world. All this has to be done through your agency and such people, if they are still like babies and they don’t understand what to do about things [UNCLEAR]. That’s why, at this stage, at the human stage, God has – I shouldn’t say God but Nature has closed this. It closes down. Why? Why don’t we ask ourselves? Why does it close down here? Animals don’t close it. Why do we have to calcify to close here? Why human-beings do it? How they do it? We never think about it. So, you are special, you are made like that, you have special ideas, you understand things much more, you are definitely evolved in the sense, you have greater sense of awareness. You understand what is beauty, you understand what is filth to begin with – animals do not. Whether take a horse or a lion, for them filth is nothing. They do not know what is filth. You pass them through any dirty place for them it has no meaning. You take them to any filthy area, they will sit down there nicely and enjoy themselves. They are not going to bother about, whether there are flowers or not, whether there are gardens or not – they are not bothered. So, the first thing is, we find that, they have no sense of fragrance knowledge. This is also the same centre gives you – the sense of fragrance. Now, the fragrance has gone to such a limit, you see, we have nice perfumes – we use lots of perfumes because we cannot stand filthy odour and things like that – but animals, do they need any perfumes? They can live, they are quite happy about it. They are not bothered as to whether they are in an atmosphere where there is perfume or not. But they have a sense of smell, no doubt. Sense of smell they have but not the sense of fragrance that we have. We are specially blessed to have a sense of fragrance because later on you will know after realization, that sense of fragrance helps you to recognize the realized souls and not only realized souls but also the person whom we call as Incarnation. I wish people had that sense, when Christ was born – they would have never allowed this crucifixion. Then you understand who has the fragrance and who does not. So, the sense of fragrance is developed in this centre. We have another sense in this centre. Human-beings have a special sense of aesthetics. Animals don’t have any aesthetics. Whether you put red, black, yellow, anything makes no difference to them. They know the colour. They have a colour sense alright. They have colour sense. Supposing, you show them red light first and give them a food to eat and then give them blue light and don’t give any food, as soon as you put the red light, their saliva glands will start secreting – means they have a sense of colour. But they have no sense of aesthetics. They cannot understand what is seen up, picture of this place, how it is placed, is it proportionate or not – it’s proportionated. Wherever they are, if you give them food to eat, they will eat but for us the food must be laid down in a way that it should be appealing to our aesthetics otherwise we don’t feel like eating. It is looking horrid, then we just don’t want to eat. We are very sensitive people, if you see that – we are extremely sensitive, it’s true. To understand aesthetics, you see, we take it for granted. We just take it for granted that we have aesthetics and the more the society is improving, the aesthetics are improving. People are very aesthetically sensitive in the West, extremely aesthetically equipped – they understand what are they. This, this centre of creativity within us gives us the subtle point of aesthetics within human-beings which is higher than animals. But then, what is the higher sense of this? As I’ve told you about the fragrance, now aesthetics are alright. We see the colour of this and that and that, but we have no spiritual aesthetics. We do not understand spiritual aesthetics. That is only possible after realization that you immediately understand what is spiritual aesthetics because you start getting vibrations. Aesthetically whatever is absolutely correct, will only give vibrations. There is a coefficient which works out a formula, which works out these vibrations. A thing may look horrid to us, if you say, “Now, this is an art.”, you see, I don’t know how it is but just can’t look at it – it’s terrible but it has got an academic award. I don’t know, how people have given it, what have they judged it for. Now, after realization you see, then you will be able to decide exactly whether it is aesthetically correct or not. If it is correct, it will be vibrating. Like we’ll say Mozart now. To you Mozart or anybody else is just the same. To Me Mozart is great because as soon as you play his music, vibrations start flowing. We have artists like that. We have many artists who you may think that, “Very good he’s playing and this and that,” but an artist who is a realized soul, you can immediately understand that he is the best that will give you greatest pleasure. The joy giving quality of an particular art is to be greater for a spiritually awakened person than for another ordinary type because he can feel the joy coming into him – he does not have to talk, you are in thoughtless awareness, you are just watching the thing and the joy is pouring into you and you feel so happy with the whole thing – you just unstart it. So, there are some great artists, who might have been neglected and have been rejected by the society, abused because these days, you see, an artist must show a new rule – that’s important. If it is not new, it is not art. Everything is ending up in the market, you see. So not necessarily, a new picture may give proper vibrations, may not give vibrations. The person, who has made it, is very important. If the person who has made it, is a realized soul, he cannot make anything that is not aesthetically correct – he cannot because, you see, he goes on balancing, balancing till he feels happy. When he feels happy, means he gets vibrations and he feels happy about it so you get the real thing. For example, some of the paintings of Christ, I mean, there are [UNCLEAR: so ill yet]. One cannot bear them, the lanky panky Christ absolutely looking so miserable – I think, it’s the projection of the artist himself, to show Him miserable. Now, we can understand, if even with rationality. How can a person, like Christ be that miserable? The One, who has come to remove the miseries of the whole world, looking that miserable and lanky panky fellow, that everybody should have pity on Him. We must have reverence. We should see His body and face we should depend on Him – He is the support of the whole world – that’s how He’s been described and how can we have such a dainty darling there, weeping and crying and melancholy fellow. See, this is the idea we have got about art, which should complete later, the joy, the bubbling joy we can see in things and in paintings and in the faces also. Then our aesthetics change, absolutely change and we start enjoying it in the real sense, not that somebody has given you an award, so you have to think, "Yes, it is. They have given an award, so there must be something about it." You must sit down and work it out. No, it is not to be worked out, it is a spontaneous thing! As soon as you feel the joy, you’re great and you’ll see the thing and it’s, “Oh, that’s it, that’s it,” just enjoy and you do not talk about it, think about it but the joy itself, which was in the heart of the artist, is reflected in your own being and you start the whole thing rippling, completely rippling with joy. And that is the spontaneous thing that should happen to all of us and not this working it out, thinking it, writing criticism for it – what is the criticism? As soon as you see it, you know it is there. A child can make it out better than we because we are so complicated. Even joy, you want to think about it – mean how can it? To Me a person, I’m different type, you see, I cannot understand, how can you sit down and describe joy? I’ve seen people describing, even a painting. How can you describe? You just look at it and you know, “O, it is joy.” But you have to be that to feel it. When this centre is enlightened, then you get the sense of aesthetics, which are Spiritual. In India, now there are many temples, as you must have heard, are, there are temples, where, you see, there are living deities are there – it’s a fact. Now, in the Bible, if you read what is not allowed, is that you are not going to recreate anything that is created in the Earth, on the Earth or in the Heavens. Means, those which are created by Mother Earth as living deities, you should not recreate them because when you start recreating, you being non-realized people, you will be putting your ideas into it, you’ll be making money out of it, you’ll be selling them in the market and that’s how you’ll spoil the whole complete vibrations and it is very, very difficult to get even a sensible deity element. Whether in India or anywhere. I’ve seen many temples, many churches and what I find, they’re all good for nothing – useless. But there are some very good ones also. For example, I went to Paris and this Notre-Dame, you see, there’s the statue of the Mother, is absolutely emit vibrations – absolute – the one who has made it has [UNCLEAR: created it up]. The other day, I found a very nice marble statue made of – I don’t know where it was made of a Victorian material and they just picked it up from the one junk shop and it’s beautiful, it has got vibrations. If you’re realized, you can seek for this. This sense is developed in enlightened being. I’m answering your question throughout, if you see. You see, you had asked Me, “What is enlightenment?” See, now. So, this is your first enlightenment, that you know the fragrance of a realized soul. Is the first one. The second centre gives you the idea of Spiritual aesthetics, who is spiritually awakened. You’ll find now, many people who give realization, how somebody nice comes in, everybody will, “Come, come, come, come see his vibrations,” and they’re like children sitting and taking all the vibrations and feeling it so nice within themselves, “O, come, come, see.” Maybe the person is a poor man, maybe the person is from a very low caste or maybe low society or whatever it is but, "See the vibrations – so beautiful!" We had somebody making in our building, somebody was preparing our roof, you see and we had to lift up something. So some of the Sahaja Yogis came down to help Me there and they said, “We’ll call some gentleman.” So, the one who came to us, you see, they all were enamoured. They said, “Look at this one! He’s had some ones." And why were they, were so much appreciating? He’s an ordinary beggar! But see, great, and they called him again and again and I also said, “What can I do for you?" and all that. So, he couldn’t understand, why was he so important to us but he was emitting vibrations. So, this is a thing, is that by through this you know how, how the aesthetics are correct vibration-wise. Secondly, by developing this, by enlightenment of this, you also create things which are correct spiritually, absolutely correct. Those who will make anything, even a child who’s a realized soul, you see, it will make something like a frog say, out of this plasticine you give, you will start that plasticine will start giving vibrations; It’s most surprising. I have seen some children working with some clay, you see, some of these realized souls and they make some funny shapes but immediately the vibrations start coming because they would not tolerate anything that doesn’t give them vibrations, so they’ll remove a part, they’ll add up a part and shape it in such a way that it is aesthetic in sense, Spiritualist. So that is the second thing which gives us this enlightenment. I don’t know, whether I can cover seven of them but this is what it is. Now, this is a very important centre in the navel, as we call it, the Nabhi Chakra. This one is called as Swadishthan and this is a Nabhi Chakra in the centre, which manifests our Solar Plexus. This manifests our…

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Rising above the three Channels (poor sound)

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Rising above the three Channels, 1978-1127, Caxton Hall " Can you see all of you this one? That is too far away. I mean upto this point can you see here? Alright. We were talking about this center of ours which is called as the Anahat Chakra. It also controls, it manifests the Cardiac (heart) plexus . Why I said manifests (also manifest) because this center is subtle and placed in the spinal chord, also do other things, apart from controlling, like solar plexus or any other plexus like heart plexus or cardiac plexus it is called in the medical terminology. They do also other thing apart from this is of what you call is controling antibodies. Now this chakra is very important. I have already told you that you should keep your hearts clean. If our hearts are clean we have no fear. When our hearts are not clean we have fear, so keep your hearts clean. God has already provided you many things of which, perhaps you are not aware of. Firstly this chakra is placed just near the sternum bone, bone is at the end you can say, here(showing in chart). Now, this bone has got the capacity to produce antibodies within itself. Now these antibodies are like soldiers within us and after a certain age, I think 12 years of age and so they start getting distributed into various parts into the lymphatic glands. And they are, all of them, are kept there stored up, you can say like (UNCLEAR ). And whenever there is an attack on these chakras in different places, immediately these anti bodies come out and protect. These antibodies are, some of them are here in the lymphatic glands, studies I don't want to say all that but if you studied they are all placed in the lymphatic glands. These are for our protection. Now we think that these antibodies are for our protection, only for physical side is a wrong idea.It is not only for physical side, also it is for our emotional side. Supposing we are emotionally disturbed. We cannot differentiate between our emotional disturbance and our physical disturbance because they are so interconnected as I have shown you that left and right sympathetic nervous system are like this. This is simply left and this is the right and the centre is the connector. Now they are showing the connector.(showing on chart). If there is any movement, this side, this also moves. So we are not able to differentiate between emotional disturbance and physical disturbance. As soon as there is emotional disturbance there is also partly a physical disturbance. As soon as there is a physical disturbance there is also partly an emotional disturbance. So these are placed at different levels in the lymphatic nodes. These soldiers protects from emotional aggression and also from physical agression. Both aggressions, they fight in their own ways. Now they are all through the blood and they are in various places. But how they multiply how they come up in the lymphatic. Whenever there is a danger they come out and start fighting and they are fighting till the last until they are absolutely killed. So this is the arrangement already God has done for you here to fight. When a person sees a danger his heart start beating fast. Immediately, you see, immediately, he feels the fear of some sort of an aggression is coming, his heart start beating fast. As soon as the hearts start beating fast these lymphatic nodes which are not connected to lungs but they are immediately informed with the vibrations that are passing from here, you see because when you beat that fast they can feel immediately they felt there is (UNCLEAR) house fight for you and they will fight it out for you whatever is the problem. Then these fighting forces are placed for your protection. There is a deity on this point, who is the mother of the Universe. Mother of this whole universe, she is the one who looks after her children and protect them. And this is the one, we call as the shakti, is The Jagdamba we call her because Jagat Amba means the mother of the World. Now this is not anything to do with Hindu religion or Christian religion or any religion whatsoever but it is a deity which was universally seen and felt that she was here. Now while raising the Kundalini, supposing you find the Kundalini doesn't rise above this part, then you have to take the name (of Jagdamba) then only it rises. This is the proof that there is the deity called Jagdamba. That is how we are going to prove what is Sahaja yoga. By Sahaja yoga you can prove the incarnation of Christ resides here within us and there is an incarnation of that mother here. Now this is the aspect of God which is the mother and that aspect resides here. We never think about it. You see, we take everything for granted. Now why should our blood cells fight? i.e. Who has told them to do that ? We don't think about it? These are simple truth absolutely simple truth. But we never think about it that when we have disease, Why should they fight? Why do we get a fever? What is the need? Who has trained these cells to do that ? We just say scientifically that there are some cells who fight but how do they do? who has created them? how these haemoglobin is put into one and another into another one and how these react? There is lot of understanding. There is absolutely thinking about it. We understand ( UNCLEAR) . Where is more power within and where is less power within and they move from one place to another should they move and they try to fight and fight the aggression. Now this is the deity here is very important for all of us because that is the shakti, root of our evolution. This is placed at this point where we have called this void as the world where we are born, this is the world where we are born. Now for us this world as you see these houses and all that but this is very superficial way of looking at. Now if you see this room you have to know that this room has a background somebody has thought of. Then the one who has thought of also has a background. Because he has thought of putting up this special type of thing and special type of projections he must have had some sort of a background .. that's all.. so when we look up at the things we just see extremely superficially at the most we see whether it is... but we cannot go further and further in the depth of it to find out actually what has brought of all this. All this means such a huge thing behind it in the same way when we are here we see this fighting of these soldiers for us we just think Oh! its alright! that's a blood cell that is fighting. These are known as antibodies that's all we can know but why are they fighting? This is the question can be answered only through Sahaja yoga. Science doesn't answer anything as to why? They say Yes! there is gravity. Alright! there is gravity. They didnot say why there is gravity? From where it has come? What is the gravity in the earth fields? This is not explained in the science. It can be explained only through your evolution when you evolve. And that's why these point is an important part in the evolution. The thing is, as I said, this is the earth that we are in or this is the world we are in and it has many layers and many (UNCLEAR) but in this world when you are placed, you are trying to rise above. Because there is a ladder from here you are trying to rise above. When you are trying to rise above, what you find that it is difficult. It is very difficult to rise above,not only that but what you find that when you are trying to rise above there are lots of obstructions. In the past the saints have suffered so much. They have been pained, they have been doing all kind of means to achieve their ends. They were never interested in the material side of life they went to the forest and they tried to explain and ask for the help of God to rise above from this point.This is the point of the solar plexus, now in the stomach the materialism, they try to rise. When they try to rise from here to here (showing dots of Void), this point extremely and here also they have this from Amoeba stage to the human stage. Upto the human stage they could come. During that time also these deities has, when I say deity you must know it is the aspect of God has protected this Universe, this world and then the human being, to become human being from Amoeba. You know there were very big animals and there were very giant animals and then very intelligent small animals came. There have been always a struggle between this animal and that animal and fight going on and they had come to this human stage to achieve their security as they want. Also if you look back about say a thousand years back or two thousands years back we were very much more insecure than we are today. The insecurity was all within us because we were afraid of the natural catastrophe or afraid of other things like animals attacking us or some sort of a unknown danger coming to us but when human beings grows to a stage of this modern man he has been able to protect himself well from animals and from all such natural things of which he has been so much defenceless before. Now he has developed his defences. He should be much more secured but he is not. He is much more insecured. The surprising part is he is very much more insecured now than he was in those days when he was called as (UNCLEAR) So what has gone wrong with us? what has made us so insecured in the modern times? When we should have been really very much more secured when no tigers are going to haul in the Caxton hall neither (laughing) some huge big thing like cobra snakes is going to bite us when we go to the Victoria station. Why is, we are so much insecured within ourselves in the modern times? The answer to this, I don't know, some Sahaja yogies can give, I would like to see (laughing). You see, we have some Sahaja yogies who are very well learned even and I have been talking them now for years so I think somebody can come up with the idea, what has happened? What has gone wrong with us? why we are more insecured now?(UNCLEAR) We created the second world war for ourselves. We created atom bomb for ourselves to fight (UNCLEAR). Let us have. But that, I would say it's very near but quite far. But still I would say, I mean, that once you have reached there you see the position of this one is very near. And at this stage when you have reached now you can feel the distance from yourself. Till this, there was a problem how to crawl upto the shores there is an (UNCLEAR) till it was the problem how to crawl up to the shores and in India now we say that in India people have to survive so they are crawling out just taking themselves out some how or the other ... but now you all have reached this point. When you have reached this point now you can see ... we are so much awakened ourselves. And whatever we may call we cannot reach that spot. That is called in the west to find such a God as seeking. It is not a fashion. The other security is being established, the new insecurity which is the real insecurity of the human being is felt. And that's why people are much more, I would say people in the West, are much more insecure than in India, much more insecure. You see, if the rain is coming, for example, I mean in India.. here people are ..So to them they feel that now the light is off and that the heart is so far away from us, the self is so far, we have not achieved our goals we have not reached our fulfilment and here it is then standing before us.Then what we have to do. The people who are not seeking are not afraid of that so much as those who are. All these insecurities are now at present much more, the restlessness is much more. Because you are feeling that you have reached that destination that you want. Alright! You wanted to build your railways, you build, underground Railways, done! then you wanted to have stations and all that, done! then you wanted to have bridges... Now you can sit on your head ...You have reached that stage absolutely. Still what you find, young people... They are fed up, they are bored, they don't know what to do with themselves. They are jumping out and killing themselves in seeking highest may be ... Till you have to achieve a certain economic skill, you are working very hard. As soon as you achieve that certainly it comes upon you . O God! this was not the thing I was seeking. If so, why am I smoking? Smoking is much more in the West, why? Because you cannot face yourself even for a minute. If you are made to sit for 1 minute you get so upset. You must start smoking otherwise you just turned off. Because you think that self is so far away ... This is, had to be ... you have failed somewhere ..the problem of introduction to self was to be solved. That is absolutely... but by your proactiveness, by your over activity you have to get problem...Because you cannot face yourself, I was, yesterday only telling these boys when I was going by train by seeing the mind. I asked them to sit down for 5 minutes. They are sitting near carriage. Immediately their attention goes on to say, some sort of a projection or say light ...This is not good. We should have another way. This is not good. Now, we are not supposed to do anything with the light, you are not working in the railways, you have nothing to do with the railways, you are just the passenger. But you will be worried about what the railway people should do about your light. Then you get down, then you think all this door is not good, this door has to be this way handle... Then you get out. Every time you see any thing you just put your projection into it and you think oh!, why such a chair, you could have had another one, now it's out of range. So the mind goes like a mad horse, like we can see, goes like, I feel, it is more like horns and you gets entangled into it but it cannot. Then you are trying. Then you go to something else attacking then your mind start, you see, throbbing there. (UNCLEAR)This is the condition of the mind because of, because you cannot face yourself. What happens it goes does this, and does that. Now, in that doing, I mean, it can do anything. And I am surprised people cut their nose. Why did you do this?you just cannot explain how people behave like this. I mean, all the perversions that you see are there and there is something people are ashamed of and they are doing that they should not have done it. It is nothing but it is just an expression of that kind of a mind which has to do something about something odd you must do, something funny you must do then it comes to that, that you find that you cannot see yourself at least others should feel this is another type of psychology. Is that natural? But you cannot see yourself, others must see. So you start expressing the other side of yours (UNCLEAR) maybe a nuisance also like painting your hair or doing something odd that everybody must knows because you cannot justify your history. You think, why am I here? After all I must do something about myself and this absolutely (UNCLEAR) and everybody can understand it then you will not be angry with yourself at all because you are at a higher level, there is no need for you to be angry with yourself and the first thing I tell all the westerners. Just there is Christ means that you are not guilty, you are not guilty, you are not guilty. Because of this kind of sense that you want to be...that you are guilty it upset about everything that mind itself give you ideas like you are a guilty person. I mean what guilt can you do, I don’t understand. Those people who even crucified Christ never felt the guilt you feel guilty here for something small you feel guilty. I mean, this is not the kind of mind which is going to help us. You have to be just like Christ (UNCLEAR) but you are dejected, you are upset, you are depressed, you are angry with yourself (UNCLEAR) I should say, in your advancement but you have got... I mean when we started using things like soap case (UNCLEAR) but now if you have become a soap case (UNCLEAR) If you go to America and if you have to enter into any bathroom please ask (UNCLEAR) because in the bathroom if you go to find (UNCLEAR) even be greater somewhere when you never expect this (UNCLEAR) and you may just start getting water, hot water or completely cold (UNCLEAR) I mean the mind has put to something nonsensical that a variety entertainer. What is the need? (laughing) To person like me I don't understand who is going to see all that, why worry so much about all this nonsensical thing but that is how the whole mind has spilled itself and that is how you are upset. Apart from that, in this way another kind of a funny insecurity is being built, which of course people are fighting it down is this having certain (UNCLEAR) like onward changes are made... All these nonsense create a problem for you. Now supposing, you see, one day I was in a hurry and I wore a , say, a chocolate or what you call Brown colour shoe and a red colour or may be black colour coat may be. Every body is looking at my shoe or looking at my coat.. What is wrong with me. I am quite alright. What's the matter? They are looking at my shoe, looking at my coat. I didn't understand. And why are they enjoying the whole thing? Then you see...O! What's the matter with you. they say are you alright? I said, I am alright. What's wrong with you? I am quite alright (UNCLEAR) Are you modern? Then why you wearing Browns shoe and a black coat. I said, I was just in a hurry and I may have walked sometimes with red on one side and brown on the other side (UNCLEAR). I mean it becomes such a big thing such a nonsensical thing become so very important and this is called (UNCLEAR) minds creations... One of that is the atom bomb and now the monster is sitting there ... make us feel insecure but now the monster is there... This is what we have done. I mean, you may not have done but but someone like you has done. So this is the responsibility. It creates artificial insecurity. Next time I would never go with the thing like that I need 10 minutes to find out (UNCLEAR) Is it alright or wrong, otherwise may be absentmindedly I walking out like that. All these artificial things that we have built based on all sorts of working on our mind. But say if you see birds chirping and there are (UNCLEAR crops) and the beauty, you can say...You get to love...You see, I was surprised when we came back, my son in laws ... Why everybody is laughing at us..Immediately..I got it done. So it is, what you call artificial makeup ..making a fashion out of everything.This is also a human madness which is so superficial and useless absolutely, is a joke going on. The people are so much involved in and spoiling special chakra which is the Main chakra which is... So now let us forget of all this at this point. Forget! Forget it completely. We have made this point clear and now from this point we have to rise. To protect this one we have two other points the first one on the left is the point that controls, that is the, what you can say, is the controlling point of the left nabhi and also there is a connection with the heart, the built one and the right side one is very (UNCLEAR) that is the point God has given us on our right hand side. Now if I tell you, you donot believe because it is, you have to get your vibrations, you have to feel that and you have to go and see the people and then only you can believe that absolutely this is the centre of the father and this is the centre of your mother. Now the father centre is so strong and is so important, the other day we went to a meeting and there was a girl whose right heart was catching very much. So I asked her. How is your father? ... She was very much disturbed. I said, your right heart is catching very badly. Must be something. There must be something, must be something (UNCLEAR) And it was burning. My right heart finger was burning. And everybody felt the burn and they couldn't understand. I said you will be Alright, we will work it out and it will be alright but you see, she was so upset and she wouldn't say but we could make it out that this is the catch of the right heart. We have got father with in us which is also the Father, the God Almighty.Now this father, the one which is with in us who is our father, every human being has a father and a mother within. Now the father within us is a very special. What do we expect of a father? Now, you are all very serious I think this time. Did I say something serious (UNCLEAR) Now you don't expect your father say i have seen here, but say an 80 year old father, that great grand father having a love affair with an 18 year old girl. It is absurd. But they don't think. You have seen perhaps and I have seen a father, 60 year old father ... turning his heads up around and shaking his hands on stage ... ( laughing) It is absurd, it is stupid. Absolutely. You do not expect your father to be a stupid fellow, do you?, or an idiotic fellow would be very (UNCLEAR). I mean that would be the greatest abuse in India, if you say that your father is idiot, for a man, if you say something to someone that your father is an idiot... So you don't expect your father to be a stupid fellow or an idiotic fellow. You expect your father to be a magistic personality. And a personality that is divine that makes you real. When you are a father you expect your children to be real, you may not be real to your father that's a different point. But when you are a father you would not accept your father become a ticklish or your son become ticklish. But when you are a child you also think what is the image of a father and then you will realise that the father, the image of a father is already filth whatever modernism you come to whatever so called...might be you have a certain idea about your father and those all ideas are within you and there is a deity which is expressed in you on your right heart. I know of a boy and his father is over and he has made a huge statue of his father... and he came to me and his right heart was catching. So I asked him why is your right heart catching ? He said, "Mother! I don't know because my father ... So you see these and ... And that how he has failed in his and that ...such a conditioning! You take the responsibility from the child. When you are giving him the birth, it is your responsibility to see that your child is brought up properly and that he lives a proper life that is the quality of a father and that is what he expect from him. If the father neglects the child or say no I just don't care I have my own work and all then he is failed and no body likes, the whole society, no body might go and tell him on his face but it... No body likes a child to be left alone or rejected by the father that is a father's dignity and he has to be a dignified and magistic and loving person who has to be strict also but for all these what he has to be himself, is to be in the maryadas, called in sanskrit, that is boundaries of all his senses. He has to put all these boundaries. Now the vagabonds cannot be father, abandoned people cannot be father, people who have no values and no roots cannot be father, they may become by chance nature has given them but they are not and they will show ... this clearly you can see. You have seen also, yesterday a girl has the catch on this centre, on the mother side and she wouldn't tell me about why the whole of this centre is caught, the whole of this area was caught..and I asked what's the matter? How is your mother? Everything alright? After some times...I am very anxious to know ...she was a dejected child, this has happened that has happened. I said, now see. Can you feel the mother in me...How do you feel about your own child. If you start feeling like this about your own mother, your child will also feel the same and this is what a great wealth you are loosing... I mean the mother ... that should be a mother if the mother is not like that and the minimum ... She has not been alright she has to be compact, She has to be mother, I agreed but if she has not been, that's what is your problem. Your problem .... Because this chakra is not good. Now when I see about Kundalini rising, kundalini is now rising once, twice... Your feelings about your mother are not correct....You can even think... only thing can I see... Loving some person is much more than hating someone. Just try, thinking about loving, how you can love and it works. Once you start doing...It happened. We had a girl who had not talked to her mother for last 11 years, can you imagine? And have to think Kundalini couldn't rise and she was very unhappy about it, and said mother what to do? So I said, alright now, you go and talk now... I said just go and tell her for my shake she just tried, just tried and she worked it out... she has to forgive, I know... I am amazed. A mother who has no patience is no mother at all...but they are.. You must forgive her, a mother that you have, had drugs, had all kinds of problems in her and they are not melting ...so forgive her and try to rise above this chakra. I met some of the people they were very angry when I tell them... How will you understand... If you have to understand this you have to understand that ... Because she is your mother she is the only mother you have in the sense that she has built in your birth. And you are the only child she has and this Kundalini, the mother, follows you from life through lives through lives and today she is very nicely waiting down there absorbing all your shocks and everything within herself just waiting to rise at the moment when somebody controls. Now those who loose who do not think about love, donot ... Because love is the key of God. Because He loved us He created us. Because He wanted to create his own children, he created us. Because of his love only that we are made all from Amoeba to human being and He is anxious to reveal himself through his loving quality. When we say God is love in Sahaja yoga we realize this. Whatever I say if it doesnot have love behind it has no meaning it has no difference. It love even ... But if you hate someone and try to be nice that person will go away... He is interested in my pocket he is not interested in me. He is just ... So it is not difficult for human beings to understand. Even animals can understand. Even things like cobras can understand what is love. Then for human beings it should not be difficult unless and until they are too complicated and can be easily befooled by another overcomplicated person. You see if there is one cunning it is the another cunning but love has no cunning. It is so straightforward, simple. It is so pouring all the time. Just cannot control... I have met some ... I must say they are realised soul. They didn't come down from their hiding, they are hiding themselves thinking someone will crucify them.. they said why mother you want to ...Why mother you are giving to these false people....I said, that's my will what I have to do, that's my will, thats my style, thats my.., thats my emotions of my heart, I cannot get over this. I cannot live like this, the way you are living. so they are...after 12 years ...I said you can sit down and move on that, hibernation... and my children are there they are seeking... And you cannot understand this love because you are not a mother, you are a father. I said you are even worse than a father. Because they way you sitting down is the way the father sit down like this. Just sit down and nothing at all and some people coming to them that's all... So, this is how things are but those who are out, now the gurus who are out... They are only worried about your pockets and they don't know even the slightest thing the real thing or we would say the main thing that you cannot get your realisation without your kundalini awakening. Any body who says you can get, is a false person. It would be something like saying that the seed can sprout without sprouting, without germinating. In scientific language it is called premune. The premune is there to give it sprouting, if the premune doesnot work out nothing is going to work out. In the same way if your kundalini does not rise you cann't get your realization. The kundalini has to rise to give you the rebirth. All those people who talk about only give you a brainwash. It is for you to now decide. Do you want to solve your problems? Do you want the reality or not? Or are you going to be brainwashed morning till evening? or are you going to teach yourself like this? Yesterday I met somebody who was a, what you call, a spiritualistic person , ... much younger to me, all full of wrinkles and all that think down looking like he said, mother I have found. I said what you have found ... I said are you a doctor? Is that the thing you have to do? But he couldn't accept that he has to have self realization. He has to get his self realisation. He would not. He is only happy with those ... and overpowered by his possession. And his kundalini couldn't rise and he couldn't get the realisation and he just got angry. I said, I am not responsible for this. You have to give up this nonsense of your spiritualism what you are doing to your spirit. He said I don't believe that you can give... Now in English language even alcoholic... "

Rising above the three Channels, 1978-1127, Caxton Hall " Can you see all of you this one? That is too far away. I mean upto this point can you see here? Alright. We were talking about this center of ours which is called as the Anahat Chakra. It also controls, it manifests the Cardiac (heart) plexus . Why I said manifests (also manifest) because this center is subtle and placed in the spinal chord, also do other things, apart from controlling, like solar plexus or any other plexus like heart plexus or cardiac plexus it is called in the medical terminology. They do also other thing apart from this is of what you call is controling antibodies. Now this chakra is very important. I have already told you that you should keep your hearts clean. If our hearts are clean we have no fear. When our hearts are not clean we have fear, so keep your hearts clean. God has already provided you many things of which, perhaps you are not aware of. Firstly this chakra is placed just near the sternum bone, bone is at the end you can say, here(showing in chart). Now, this bone has got the capacity to produce antibodies within itself. Now these antibodies are like soldiers within us and after a certain age, I think 12 years of age and so they start getting distributed into various parts into the lymphatic glands. And they are, all of them, are kept there stored up, you can say like (UNCLEAR ). And whenever there is an attack on these chakras in different places, immediately these anti bodies come out and protect. These antibodies are, some of them are here in the lymphatic glands, studies I don't want to say all that but if you studied they are all placed in the lymphatic glands. These are for our protection. Now we think that these antibodies are for our protection, only for physical side is a wrong idea.It is not only for physical side, also it is for our emotional side. Supposing we are emotionally disturbed. We cannot differentiate between our emotional disturbance and our physical disturbance because they are so interconnected as I have shown you that left and right sympathetic nervous system are like this. This is simply left and this is the right and the centre is the connector. Now they are showing the connector.(showing on chart). If there is any movement, this side, this also moves. So we are not able to differentiate between emotional disturbance and physical disturbance. As soon as there is emotional disturbance there is also partly a physical disturbance. As soon as there is a physical disturbance there is also partly an emotional disturbance. So these are placed at different levels in the lymphatic nodes. These soldiers protects from emotional aggression and also from physical agression. Both aggressions, they fight in their own ways. Now they are all through the blood and they are in various places. But how they multiply how they come up in the lymphatic. Whenever there is a danger they come out and start fighting and they are fighting till the last until they are absolutely killed. So this is the arrangement already God has done for you here to fight. When a person sees a danger his heart start beating fast. Immediately, you see, immediately, he feels the fear of some sort of an aggression is coming, his heart start beating fast. As soon as the hearts start beating fast these lymphatic nodes which are not connected to lungs but they are immediately informed with the vibrations that are passing from here, you see because when you beat that fast they can feel immediately they felt there is (UNCLEAR) house fight for you and they will fight it out for you whatever is the problem. Then these fighting forces are placed for your protection. There is a deity on this point, who is the mother of the Universe. Mother of this whole universe, she is the one who looks after her children and protect them. And this is the one, we call as the shakti, is The Jagdamba we call her because Jagat Amba means the mother of the World. Now this is not anything to do with Hindu religion or Christian religion or any religion whatsoever but it is a deity which was universally seen and felt that she was here. Now while raising the Kundalini, supposing you find the Kundalini doesn't rise above this part, then you have to take the name (of Jagdamba) then only it rises. This is the proof that there is the deity called Jagdamba. That is how we are going to prove what is Sahaja yoga. By Sahaja yoga you can prove the incarnation of Christ resides here within us and there is an incarnation of that mother here. Now this is the aspect of God which is the mother and that aspect resides here. We never think about it. You see, we take everything for granted. Now why should our blood cells fight? i.e. Who has told them to do that ? We don't think about it? These are simple truth absolutely simple truth. But we never think about it that when we have disease, Why should they fight? Why do we get a fever? What is the need? Who has trained these cells to do that ? We just say scientifically that there are some cells who fight but how do they do? who has created them? how these haemoglobin is put into one and another into another one and how these react? There is lot of understanding. There is absolutely thinking about it. We understand ( UNCLEAR) . Where is more power within and where is less power within and they move from one place to another should they move and they try to fight and fight the aggression. Now this is the deity here is very important for all of us because that is the shakti, root of our evolution. This is placed at this point where we have called this void as the world where we are born, this is the world where we are born. Now for us this world as you see these houses and all that but this is very superficial way of looking at. Now if you see this room you have to know that this room has a background somebody has thought of. Then the one who has thought of also has a background. Because he has thought of putting up this special type of thing and special type of projections he must have had some sort of a background .. that's all.. so when we look up at the things we just see extremely superficially at the most we see whether it is... but we cannot go further and further in the depth of it to find out actually what has brought of all this. All this means such a huge thing behind it in the same way when we are here we see this fighting of these soldiers for us we just think Oh! its alright! that's a blood cell that is fighting. These are known as antibodies that's all we can know but why are they fighting? This is the question can be answered only through Sahaja yoga. Science doesn't answer anything as to why? They say Yes! there is gravity. Alright! there is gravity. They didnot say why there is gravity? From where it has come? What is the gravity in the earth fields? This is not explained in the science. It can be explained only through your evolution when you evolve. And that's why these point is an important part in the evolution. The thing is, as I said, this is the earth that we are in or this is the world we are in and it has many layers and many (UNCLEAR) but in this world when you are placed, you are trying to rise above. Because there is a ladder from here you are trying to rise above. When you are trying to rise above, what you find that it is difficult. It is very difficult to rise above,not only that but what you find that when you are trying to rise above there are lots of obstructions. In the past the saints have suffered so much. They have been pained, they have been doing all kind of means to achieve their ends. They were never interested in the material side of life they went to the forest and they tried to explain and ask for the help of God to rise above from this point.This is the point of the solar plexus, now in the stomach the materialism, they try to rise. When they try to rise from here to here (showing dots of Void), this point extremely and here also they have this from Amoeba stage to the human stage. Upto the human stage they could come. During that time also these deities has, when I say deity you must know it is the aspect of God has protected this Universe, this world and then the human being, to become human being from Amoeba. You know there were very big animals and there were very giant animals and then very intelligent small animals came. There have been always a struggle between this animal and that animal and fight going on and they had come to this human stage to achieve their security as they want. Also if you look back about say a thousand years back or two thousands years back we were very much more insecure than we are today. The insecurity was all within us because we were afraid of the natural catastrophe or afraid of other things like animals attacking us or some sort of a unknown danger coming to us but when human beings grows to a stage of this modern man he has been able to protect himself well from animals and from all such natural things of which he has been so much defenceless before. Now he has developed his defences. He should be much more secured but he is not. He is much more insecured. The surprising part is he is very much more insecured now than he was in those days when he was called as (UNCLEAR) So what has gone wrong with us? what has made us so insecured in the modern times? When we should have been really very much more secured when no tigers are going to haul in the Caxton hall neither (laughing) some huge big thing like cobra snakes is going to bite us when we go to the Victoria station. Why is, we are so much insecured within ourselves in the modern times? The answer to this, I don't know, some Sahaja yogies can give, I would like to see (laughing). You see, we have some Sahaja yogies who are very well learned even and I have been talking them now for years so I think somebody can come up with the idea, what has happened? What has gone wrong with us? why we are more insecured now?(UNCLEAR) We created the second world war for ourselves. We created atom bomb for ourselves to fight (UNCLEAR). Let us have. But that, I would say it's very near but quite far. But still I would say, I mean, that once you have reached there you see the position of this one is very near. And at this stage when you have reached now you can feel the distance from yourself. Till this, there was a problem how to crawl upto the shores there is an (UNCLEAR) till it was the problem how to crawl up to the shores and in India now we say that in India people have to survive so they are crawling out just taking themselves out some how or the other ... but now you all have reached this point. When you have reached this point now you can see ... we are so much awakened ourselves. And whatever we may call we cannot reach that spot. That is called in the west to find such a God as seeking. It is not a fashion. The other security is being established, the new insecurity which is the real insecurity of the human being is felt. And that's why people are much more, I would say people in the West, are much more insecure than in India, much more insecure. You see, if the rain is coming, for example, I mean in India.. here people are ..So to them they feel that now the light is off and that the heart is so far away from us, the self is so far, we have not achieved our goals we have not reached our fulfilment and here it is then standing before us.Then what we have to do. The people who are not seeking are not afraid of that so much as those who are. All these insecurities are now at present much more, the restlessness is much more. Because you are feeling that you have reached that destination that you want. Alright! You wanted to build your railways, you build, underground Railways, done! then you wanted to have stations and all that, done! then you wanted to have bridges... Now you can sit on your head ...You have reached that stage absolutely. Still what you find, young people... They are fed up, they are bored, they don't know what to do with themselves. They are jumping out and killing themselves in seeking highest may be ... Till you have to achieve a certain economic skill, you are working very hard. As soon as you achieve that certainly it comes upon you . O God! this was not the thing I was seeking. If so, why am I smoking? Smoking is much more in the West, why? Because you cannot face yourself even for a minute. If you are made to sit for 1 minute you get so upset. You must start smoking otherwise you just turned off. Because you think that self is so far away ... This is, had to be ... you have failed somewhere ..the problem of introduction to self was to be solved. That is absolutely... but by your proactiveness, by your over activity you have to get problem...Because you cannot face yourself, I was, yesterday only telling these boys when I was going by train by seeing the mind. I asked them to sit down for 5 minutes. They are sitting near carriage. Immediately their attention goes on to say, some sort of a projection or say light ...This is not good. We should have another way. This is not good. Now, we are not supposed to do anything with the light, you are not working in the railways, you have nothing to do with the railways, you are just the passenger. But you will be worried about what the railway people should do about your light. Then you get down, then you think all this door is not good, this door has to be this way handle... Then you get out. Every time you see any thing you just put your projection into it and you think oh!, why such a chair, you could have had another one, now it's out of range. So the mind goes like a mad horse, like we can see, goes like, I feel, it is more like horns and you gets entangled into it but it cannot. Then you are trying. Then you go to something else attacking then your mind start, you see, throbbing there. (UNCLEAR)This is the condition of the mind because of, because you cannot face yourself. What happens it goes does this, and does that. Now, in that doing, I mean, it can do anything. And I am surprised people cut their nose. Why did you do this?you just cannot explain how people behave like this. I mean, all the perversions that you see are there and there is something people are ashamed of and they are doing that they should not have done it. It is nothing but it is just an expression of that kind of a mind which has to do something about something odd you must do, something funny you must do then it comes to that, that you find that you cannot see yourself at least others should feel this is another type of psychology. Is that natural? But you cannot see yourself, others must see. So you start expressing the other side of yours (UNCLEAR) maybe a nuisance also like painting your hair or doing something odd that everybody must knows because you cannot justify your history. You think, why am I here? After all I must do something about myself and this absolutely (UNCLEAR) and everybody can understand it then you will not be angry with yourself at all because you are at a higher level, there is no need for you to be angry with yourself and the first thing I tell all the westerners. Just there is Christ means that you are not guilty, you are not guilty, you are not guilty. Because of this kind of sense that you want to be...that you are guilty it upset about everything that mind itself give you ideas like you are a guilty person. I mean what guilt can you do, I don’t understand. Those people who even crucified Christ never felt the guilt you feel guilty here for something small you feel guilty. I mean, this is not the kind of mind which is going to help us. You have to be just like Christ (UNCLEAR) but you are dejected, you are upset, you are depressed, you are angry with yourself (UNCLEAR) I should say, in your advancement but you have got... I mean when we started using things like soap case (UNCLEAR) but now if you have become a soap case (UNCLEAR) If you go to America and if you have to enter into any bathroom please ask (UNCLEAR) because in the bathroom if you go to find (UNCLEAR) even be greater somewhere when you never expect this (UNCLEAR) and you may just start getting water, hot water or completely cold (UNCLEAR) I mean the mind has put to something nonsensical that a variety entertainer. What is the need? (laughing) To person like me I don't understand who is going to see all that, why worry so much about all this nonsensical thing but that is how the whole mind has spilled itself and that is how you are upset. Apart from that, in this way another kind of a funny insecurity is being built, which of course people are fighting it down is this having certain (UNCLEAR) like onward changes are made... All these nonsense create a problem for you. Now supposing, you see, one day I was in a hurry and I wore a , say, a chocolate or what you call Brown colour shoe and a red colour or may be black colour coat may be. Every body is looking at my shoe or looking at my coat.. What is wrong with me. I am quite alright. What's the matter? They are looking at my shoe, looking at my coat. I didn't understand. And why are they enjoying the whole thing? Then you see...O! What's the matter with you. they say are you alright? I said, I am alright. What's wrong with you? I am quite alright (UNCLEAR) Are you modern? Then why you wearing Browns shoe and a black coat. I said, I was just in a hurry and I may have walked sometimes with red on one side and brown on the other side (UNCLEAR). I mean it becomes such a big thing such a nonsensical thing become so very important and this is called (UNCLEAR) minds creations... One of that is the atom bomb and now the monster is sitting there ... make us feel insecure but now the monster is there... This is what we have done. I mean, you may not have done but but someone like you has done. So this is the responsibility. It creates artificial insecurity. Next time I would never go with the thing like that I need 10 minutes to find out (UNCLEAR) Is it alright or wrong, otherwise may be absentmindedly I walking out like that. All these artificial things that we have built based on all sorts of working on our mind. But say if you see birds chirping and there are (UNCLEAR crops) and the beauty, you can say...You get to love...You see, I was surprised when we came back, my son in laws ... Why everybody is laughing at us..Immediately..I got it done. So it is, what you call artificial makeup ..making a fashion out of everything.This is also a human madness which is so superficial and useless absolutely, is a joke going on. The people are so much involved in and spoiling special chakra which is the Main chakra which is... So now let us forget of all this at this point. Forget! Forget it completely. We have made this point clear and now from this point we have to rise. To protect this one we have two other points the first one on the left is the point that controls, that is the, what you can say, is the controlling point of the left nabhi and also there is a connection with the heart, the built one and the right side one is very (UNCLEAR) that is the point God has given us on our right hand side. Now if I tell you, you donot believe because it is, you have to get your vibrations, you have to feel that and you have to go and see the people and then only you can believe that absolutely this is the centre of the father and this is the centre of your mother. Now the father centre is so strong and is so important, the other day we went to a meeting and there was a girl whose right heart was catching very much. So I asked her. How is your father? ... She was very much disturbed. I said, your right heart is catching very badly. Must be something. There must be something, must be something (UNCLEAR) And it was burning. My right heart finger was burning. And everybody felt the burn and they couldn't understand. I said you will be Alright, we will work it out and it will be alright but you see, she was so upset and she wouldn't say but we could make it out that this is the catch of the right heart. We have got father with in us which is also the Father, the God Almighty.Now this father, the one which is with in us who is our father, every human being has a father and a mother within. Now the father within us is a very special. What do we expect of a father? Now, you are all very serious I think this time. Did I say something serious (UNCLEAR) Now you don't expect your father say i have seen here, but say an 80 year old father, that great grand father having a love affair with an 18 year old girl. It is absurd. But they don't think. You have seen perhaps and I have seen a father, 60 year old father ... turning his heads up around and shaking his hands on stage ... ( laughing) It is absurd, it is stupid. Absolutely. You do not expect your father to be a stupid fellow, do you?, or an idiotic fellow would be very (UNCLEAR). I mean that would be the greatest abuse in India, if you say that your father is idiot, for a man, if you say something to someone that your father is an idiot... So you don't expect your father to be a stupid fellow or an idiotic fellow. You expect your father to be a magistic personality. And a personality that is divine that makes you real. When you are a father you expect your children to be real, you may not be real to your father that's a different point. But when you are a father you would not accept your father become a ticklish or your son become ticklish. But when you are a child you also think what is the image of a father and then you will realise that the father, the image of a father is already filth whatever modernism you come to whatever so called...might be you have a certain idea about your father and those all ideas are within you and there is a deity which is expressed in you on your right heart. I know of a boy and his father is over and he has made a huge statue of his father... and he came to me and his right heart was catching. So I asked him why is your right heart catching ? He said, "Mother! I don't know because my father ... So you see these and ... And that how he has failed in his and that ...such a conditioning! You take the responsibility from the child. When you are giving him the birth, it is your responsibility to see that your child is brought up properly and that he lives a proper life that is the quality of a father and that is what he expect from him. If the father neglects the child or say no I just don't care I have my own work and all then he is failed and no body likes, the whole society, no body might go and tell him on his face but it... No body likes a child to be left alone or rejected by the father that is a father's dignity and he has to be a dignified and magistic and loving person who has to be strict also but for all these what he has to be himself, is to be in the maryadas, called in sanskrit, that is boundaries of all his senses. He has to put all these boundaries. Now the vagabonds cannot be father, abandoned people cannot be father, people who have no values and no roots cannot be father, they may become by chance nature has given them but they are not and they will show ... this clearly you can see. You have seen also, yesterday a girl has the catch on this centre, on the mother side and she wouldn't tell me about why the whole of this centre is caught, the whole of this area was caught..and I asked what's the matter? How is your mother? Everything alright? After some times...I am very anxious to know ...she was a dejected child, this has happened that has happened. I said, now see. Can you feel the mother in me...How do you feel about your own child. If you start feeling like this about your own mother, your child will also feel the same and this is what a great wealth you are loosing... I mean the mother ... that should be a mother if the mother is not like that and the minimum ... She has not been alright she has to be compact, She has to be mother, I agreed but if she has not been, that's what is your problem. Your problem .... Because this chakra is not good. Now when I see about Kundalini rising, kundalini is now rising once, twice... Your feelings about your mother are not correct....You can even think... only thing can I see... Loving some person is much more than hating someone. Just try, thinking about loving, how you can love and it works. Once you start doing...It happened. We had a girl who had not talked to her mother for last 11 years, can you imagine? And have to think Kundalini couldn't rise and she was very unhappy about it, and said mother what to do? So I said, alright now, you go and talk now... I said just go and tell her for my shake she just tried, just tried and she worked it out... she has to forgive, I know... I am amazed. A mother who has no patience is no mother at all...but they are.. You must forgive her, a mother that you have, had drugs, had all kinds of problems in her and they are not melting ...so forgive her and try to rise above this chakra. I met some of the people they were very angry when I tell them... How will you understand... If you have to understand this you have to understand that ... Because she is your mother she is the only mother you have in the sense that she has built in your birth. And you are the only child she has and this Kundalini, the mother, follows you from life through lives through lives and today she is very nicely waiting down there absorbing all your shocks and everything within herself just waiting to rise at the moment when somebody controls. Now those who loose who do not think about love, donot ... Because love is the key of God. Because He loved us He created us. Because He wanted to create his own children, he created us. Because of his love only that we are made all from Amoeba to human being and He is anxious to reveal himself through his loving quality. When we say God is love in Sahaja yoga we realize this. Whatever I say if it doesnot have love behind it has no meaning it has no difference. It love even ... But if you hate someone and try to be nice that person will go away... He is interested in my pocket he is not interested in me. He is just ... So it is not difficult for human beings to understand. Even animals can understand. Even things like cobras can understand what is love. Then for human beings it should not be difficult unless and until they are too complicated and can be easily befooled by another overcomplicated person. You see if there is one cunning it is the another cunning but love has no cunning. It is so straightforward, simple. It is so pouring all the time. Just cannot control... I have met some ... I must say they are realised soul. They didn't come down from their hiding, they are hiding themselves thinking someone will crucify them.. they said why mother you want to ...Why mother you are giving to these false people....I said, that's my will what I have to do, that's my will, thats my style, thats my.., thats my emotions of my heart, I cannot get over this. I cannot live like this, the way you are living. so they are...after 12 years ...I said you can sit down and move on that, hibernation... and my children are there they are seeking... And you cannot understand this love because you are not a mother, you are a father. I said you are even worse than a father. Because they way you sitting down is the way the father sit down like this. Just sit down and nothing at all and some people coming to them that's all... So, this is how things are but those who are out, now the gurus who are out... They are only worried about your pockets and they don't know even the slightest thing the real thing or we would say the main thing that you cannot get your realisation without your kundalini awakening. Any body who says you can get, is a false person. It would be something like saying that the seed can sprout without sprouting, without germinating. In scientific language it is called premune. The premune is there to give it sprouting, if the premune doesnot work out nothing is going to work out. In the same way if your kundalini does not rise you cann't get your realization. The kundalini has to rise to give you the rebirth. All those people who talk about only give you a brainwash. It is for you to now decide. Do you want to solve your problems? Do you want the reality or not? Or are you going to be brainwashed morning till evening? or are you going to teach yourself like this? Yesterday I met somebody who was a, what you call, a spiritualistic person , ... much younger to me, all full of wrinkles and all that think down looking like he said, mother I have found. I said what you have found ... I said are you a doctor? Is that the thing you have to do? But he couldn't accept that he has to have self realization. He has to get his self realisation. He would not. He is only happy with those ... and overpowered by his possession. And his kundalini couldn't rise and he couldn't get the realisation and he just got angry. I said, I am not responsible for this. You have to give up this nonsense of your spiritualism what you are doing to your spirit. He said I don't believe that you can give... Now in English language even alcoholic... "

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Our Understanding of Sahaja Yoga, London, 1978 Today if you ask me one or two questions it would be better and I will give you the answers because this is between us - those who have had the experience and those who are practically there, and there are very few new people here I see. But those who are at least acquainted with the vibrations and all that, should ask me questions to begin with, because then otherwise I will be tackling new persons later on. Hmm. Yogi: Mother you said in Caxton Hall that if a person doesn’t speak to their mother for a long time…can you elaborate on that theme again please. Shri Mataji: You see, you are born from a mother, alright? You are not born hanging from a tree, and neither you are thrown from the heavens and suddenly you are found, born on this Earth. You are born from a mother in her womb. Her blood flows into you for nine months. You live upon her. You are a part and parcel of her being for nine months, which is the most important time of your life. Now, she is there to give you, first, the sense of security. In a mother’s womb a child feels secured. If the mother is upset it has an effect on the child. If there’s something wrong with her then that is affected on the child, in the sense, physically, also. It’s such a deep relationship exists between you and your mother that I’ll have to write a book to tell you how much it is deep within you. But, within us, the power of Kundalini is the power of a Mother and not of a Father. The Father is the Witness as a Spirit and the Mother is the Kundalini, and the Kundalini has to rise. Now it is the Mother in you that is the Kundalini and your own mother. It very much depends what kind of relationship you have with your own mother. Supposing you do not know how to love your own mother, you can never love your mother country, you can never love it. That is the beginning. The training starts there only, with your mother. If that point is lacking then you cannot have a full blooming of that love. Now maybe the mother has not been a very good mother possibly. There are according to Sanskrit words, as I told you, there cannot be a bad mother – kumata - but sometimes she could be bad also. So the idea of a ‘bad mother’ is more brought forth by the intervention of law into mother child relationship. When the mother is being punished by law for correcting her child or doing something, the artificiality starts; when people can sue their mothers. The responsibility of the law is not to disturb the natural relationships. If they start disturbing the natural relationship the artificiality starts. And that’s why, in the countries where law has taken charge of children and such things, without understanding the basic thing that it is a natural thing to love your child. Instead of that, if they had encouraged mothers who were more loving, more kind, if they had even training to mothers, how to be more kind and gentle, if they had given more impetus to people to be good mothers. Instead of having beauty contests if they had 'good mother contests’. If motherhood had been upheld by political and economic institutions, then it would have been much better. But the whole society is turning to self-destruction, so the law, first, takes over. So the child is quite sure of itself. Now an eighteen year old boy in the family, who gets the dole (unemployment payments), then he thinks no end of himself. He answers back his mother; he talks in a very rude manner to the mother. It’s alright to say you have done it for an eighteen year old boy but you don’t know that [maybe] he is the eldest boy; the other children in the family follow him up. So they pick it up when they are even very young. The idea of giving money to boys at that age also is extremely harmful because when he gets the money the other children think they must also get some money, so they start charging mother for the work that they are doing - you must pay 5p for bringing a glass of water for the mother. Then the mothers now are of a different type. I mean, there are so many mothers who say that, “It is not a thing that we should love our children; it’s not natural”! Artificial has become natural and natural has become artificial. How is it, within these [last] ten or fifteen years, suddenly the mothers have become so funny? Now, because of these pressures, what happens is that we develop a feeling against our mother. We start judging our mother and father. We should never judge them. We are not to judge them because we have chosen them. They are there just as part and parcel of ourselves. Supposing your nose is broken: Do you start judging yourself, “My nose is broken, my nose is broken”? Do you discard your nose? In the same way your parents are. You cannot discard your parents! But the whole society is working like this. It’s a vicious circle. Now, if I say, “You go and talk to your mother,” then you can say, “My mother is not a good person. She is this and that.” Then I have to say, “Alright, then you forgive her.” Then you don’t like it. You would expect me to tell you, “Alright, just go and bash her.” You would be pleased if I tell you like that, some of you would - “Go and beat her up!” But I would not say like that because that’s not the way Sahaja Yogis are going to work away. You must know that the whole society is in a whirlwind, it’s a whirlwind, so somebody has to steady oneself and stop and try to change the winds. And that’s why a Sahaja Yogi has to stand up and understand that respect and reverence of parents is important. But it is an actual thing, because if you are not good with your mother your left side is weak; you have seen it on the vibrations. Whatever I say you can see it on your vibrations. You will be the loser, so forgive her. Know that she has given you birth. Maybe if she has been harsh to you, angry with you or done something - forgive her. And you will be amazed, you can win her over, it’s not difficult because by your goodness to her, by your over-goodness towards her, relatively, it will work. And maybe, exceptionally, one person may be this thing (kumata) but you cannot make a rule out of that; exceptionally one may be. But if you have to change the society, the whole thinking, somebody has to stand up. And it is a chakra within you, you know, where it touches a point of Void, where the left-side touches the point of Void. That is a centre, a very important centre for a mother, which [it] makes. And do you know it is very near the centre of existence, because your existence depends on that. Supposing a child had no mother: he can never be a good husband, very difficult for him to be a good husband because all the womanhood, all the kindness, the sublimity, the greatness of women, is known through your mother to begin with; or a woman who does not have a mother, can never be a good wife or could not be a good mother herself. All these things are there so we have to stop it and change it. This is the point. Sahaja Yogis must know that we have to change and transform ourselves and that is the point [where] they feel bad. We are not only responsible for our change but we have to bring about the change in the whole world, where the society is getting destroyed, the human beings are getting destroyed, so we have to stand up. So we have to change our way of thinking. What’s wrong in talking to your mother? She’s not going to kill you if you talk to her. Why don’t you talk to her? Because you hate her, you want her to feel bad. I mean, you don’t go and hit your mother. This is the only way you can really be harsh to her, is not to talk to her - [so] she feels rejected by her own child whom she has created. God must be feeling that way also the way we reject Him. Everybody’s left side improves now. But try to love and you will enjoy, because loving is the greatest thing. To love someone is adoration, absolute adoration, is reverence. If you love someone then you know that it is so great, it makes you so great to love someone. It’s a very great feeling that, “I love someone”; it’s like a Lord one feels, “Oh I love this one and I love so many and so many are there!” And that person need not love me, I mean I don’t think all the Sahaja Yogis love me so much as I love them, maybe. But I’m very proud of my Sahaja Yogis and I love them. This is the most joy-giving thing is to love, yourself. To be able to love, that’s the greatest ability a person should have - is to love others. And in love, forgiveness is the most; that’s why Christ said forgiveness is the greatest weapon. And what do you achieve by not talking? I mean, what do you achieve? Let us see the other side of it; what do we achieve by not talking to someone? Rationally. It’s a sweet method of course, if sometimes children do, “I am not talking to you,” you see. Then you can have a little play about that. But it should be just a play. If it is a serious stuff it’s nonsense. It’s just to play about, is very good that, “I’m not talking to you, I’m not going to talk to you for some time,” he knows that. But then it is not serious, it is just to bring out certain points and it’s nice that mother should come and cuddle you and persuade you and try to help you - that’s a good thing. But the way we are serious about it is something wrong. Yogi: Can you tell us what the vibrations are? Shri Mataji: Vibrations, as I said, that is the manifestation of the Spirit. But it is a very vague way of expressing it. Now see, if there’s a nice flame before me, this candle has been enlightened. Now what does it do? It gives you light. Alright, but how does it give you light? By throwing light towards you, by emitting light. It is the emitting, of pulsation from the Self. This light, this is light. Actually there is sound, there is light; very high frequency sound - very high frequency. Actually many types of sounds are mixed in. There’s is magnetism in this, in these vibrations. It has all the five elements -the subtle of all the five elements (tanmatras) inside these vibrations only. They are talking, they are telling you, they are guiding you, they are helping you. It’s because the Spirit is working through them. Like this light that you take in your hand: you go in the darkness, and you see that there is an impediment in between [and] you have to cross it. So you get the idea with this light. The light is doing that for you. So, when the Spirit pulsates in your conscious mind, in your conscious mind, then it is a Self-realised personality. But in the unconscious it is there, all the time working. Actually the Spirit Itself comes out. It’s as big as your thumb is. But you can contain your thumb in your heart. That is the reflection of the God Almighty within us, because heart receives that image within itself, it is pulsating and is emitting the Knowledge through our unconscious. Spirit is an unconscious being till we are realised. Once we are realised it becomes conscious, it starts emitting itself and pulsating. And what is Spirit? Is God Almighty Himself, in a miniature form, which is reflected within us. The more we clean our heart, which represents all the seven chakras within us. There are seven auras around our heart. All the seven chakras which are here in the Sahasrara, the seats are there, and all the seven chakras that are there, within us, have seven auras around our heart and when all of them are clear-cut, absolutely clear, pure, integrated then the complete emission starts, of those vibrations. They are much more than I can explain because, say, the other day, a lady was writing a letter to me and she was saying that, “Mother I am so sorry. I have my accommodation problem is at the climax…” and, very frustrating letter you see, to begin with and absolutely as if she was going to be doomed, the way she was writing it! And, I mean, such a trivial thing like that, but she was very concerned because she didn’t know where to go. And first half of the letter was like that. Second half was this that, “Mother, just now I have received a letter from the authorities that they have allotted me a very beautiful place” in such and such place!! (laughing) Now, I would say this is all vibrations because it is All-pervading now, and you become one with the All-pervading Power so how it helps! Because when she was writing to me, the vibrations were feeling it, what she was writing from the paper, so they communicated to the All-pervading Power. And as the Angels, or you can say the Deities, also, can understand and they must have thought, “Why bother Mother with all this nonsense, better give her the letter as soon as possible, finish it off!” So in the second letter she says, “I’m such a fool to write this but I must write to you to give you the night and the day of my life.” So she wrote to me. So, it can work out that way, that quick. So the vibrations are actually the things which are the doers and the enjoyers. They are the one, who enjoy, also, if they find a very good Self-realised soul coming. Then you just feel the Self-realised soul and you say, “Oh very good. Come along, come along. Just have it” Everybody starts enjoying that joy that’s coming from that person. And that is what it is, that you start enjoying that beauty in that person through the vibrations. It’s a multi-dimensional thing - though it looks so simple, that you are feeling in the hand, that’s all. So it is a multi-dimensional thing just like the God Almighty. And, for your information, it is only He does everything. So only the vibrations work out everything. We really do not do anything whatsoever - [if we think we do] we are living in a fool’s paradise! For example, a tree dies and you chain it over and make a nice seat for me to sit down - so what? Tree is dead and you make a seat and you say, “Oh, we have built this, we have done that!” Nothing! What do you do? Can you sprout even a small, little seed? You cannot. But these vibrations only, which connect you with the All-pervading Power, which are part of the All-pervading power, these pervading Almighty’s eyes, you can say - they are the ones who look after each and every minute thing in this whole world. Can you think of such a multi-dimensional thing? Now you have seen how vibrations work on people, how they dissolve even the thick bones and how they bring out the Kundalini here and how you see the softness on your head. Just you cannot explain how, because they only do everything. They have the universal communication centres and they have universal broadcasting stations, they have universal TV centres there. Everything is there. In short, you just copy them a little bit and you think you are doing something but you really don’t do anything whatsoever. That’s why it is said that Brahma - this is the expression of Brahma, these vibrations are the Brahma - is the only Truth, the rest is all avidya, is all a maya, is just an illusion. We live in illusions you see. He is the Enjoyer, He is the Doer, you are just in between to see Him. It would be like this mic (microphone) thinking that he’s giving the lecture of Sahaja Yoga - it’s really like that!! So to explain what is vibrations may not be so simple in all its details. But the overall idea I have given to you. Is it alright? Rustom: Mother, I wanted to ask what is the function for the Left-Swadishthana in all of us because it’s been catching all weekend. Shri Mataji: You all had it? Alright. I’ll ask ?? and then this. What’s that? Who asked me there? New person: You were talking about the mother and child’s relationship with their parents and you said that maybe you don’t like them, but that’s too bad, we have chosen them. Would you elaborate on that? Shri Mataji: We have chosen our parents. Oh we have definitely chosen. I mean, most of you have, because mediocre people, those who are absolutely mediocre, just like very primitive souls. We should not say, ‘primitive people’ but we can say ‘primitive souls’ because there’s a difference between the two. A person may be, say the king you had here, who killed his seven wives, he was a very primitive soul. He might be a king but he was a very primitive soul. So the primitive souls, they are not so particular as to who is their father or mother, and they also, sometimes, choose horribly primitive people as their parents, also, sometimes. So both the extremes choose - those who are very primitive and those who are very advanced always choose. And you being the seekers, you have also chosen your parents before taking your birth, definitely, through the All-pervading Power. So many of you have had parents because of your previous relationships with them. You might have seen that if we attach to some people like a mother, sometimes like a father, in this lifetime also you might be feeling that way. Because in India also the situation is a little funny but still in India it’s very common that you start feeling for somebody as if she is your mother. Yesterday I saw that Starkey of your BBC1 feeling for a lady, something like that. So imagine that Starkey, such a starkingly (sic) dry person, having that kind of feeling for an old lady! So the reason is that he might have been connected with her in his previous lives and might have been his own mother, like that. So maybe you might have felt about someone like that in previous lives that, “Oh, I wish she was my mother.” Maybe she was the mother of your friend or someone and you thought that she was a very good mother, so you have it. You want that mother? Alright? Now when you see her you get frightened of her. So you will not ask that type, now you will ask for another type. So you have to go through many types, but better do one completely so that you don’t have to come back to the same. So better know about one completely by loving that person then you are finished with one type; you get another type then. So coming to his problem of Swadishthan, Left. Are you all having catching here? (Yogis/new people respond. Barely audible) Shri Mataji: I am happy you could see all that. Actually, Gregoire told me that, “Mother, if you come from the very first day then the attention will be on you and then we want to talk among ourselves about things. And there are some people who have not known much about Sahaja Yoga and we would like to discuss.” I said, “Good idea, you go ahead. I think it’s a good idea and you should do it.” Gregoire: No, not exactly that Mother, this I can’t say! Shri Mataji: But what I’m trying to say is that your intentions were good that you were going to see for yourself, meet everyone and all of you suggested that to me. I mean, everybody said that, “We would like to discuss among ourselves.” Now. So there are children of different types. You said, “Let’s see now what happens.” But it’s a good idea, very good idea, because I would like you to mature like this and to understand, because this is a very good thing that has happened. Now, I will say why it is good? Alright? Because, supposing you are all the time under my saree, hidden down here, you are never going to face these horrible things. And some of you, even today, do not believe that there are [dead] spirits. It’s better to face it. Better to face it. Now, there are also people who get possessed, also there, and they know what it is. But those who were never possessed do not believe in it. Actually they do believe because I am saying it, but actually inside they do not believe that there are spirits. So it was nice to face them here, first of all, alright to know. Then secondly you are not to remain all the time under my saree. This is called as palla in Sanskrit language. So you have to face it. And it’s a very nice thing that has happened that you have been able to face it. Now you are over that. Now, any place you go to, all the devils will run away from there! Not only that but nobody of this kind would be going to those places again. So, that’s a very good thing that has happened and that you have taken it up upon yourselves. It’s a very big thing. I liked it. I really liked this thing, that you wanted to take it up and come down here and that you could feel it. Now, I would say that none of you are harmed; none of you is harmed actually; none of you. Only thing you felt that, because you are in collective consciousness. You must feel the aim of your life, you must know. And also Left Swadishthana is caught by people who indulge in unauthorised ways of God. And so you recognise that, all of them who have been here have been unauthorised. Without any argument you know. So, that’s a training, and which you understand it, first of all. Secondly none of you are caught up now. Just if you see, none of you have got anything of Swadishthana left (remaining). You never catch actually. After all, you are the instrument so you are the indicator. You just indicate. If you could just learn how to be a witness to that indication you will never feel [that] you catch. Now, what you have felt catching is the Left Vishuddhi actually: is that you are feeling guilty about it, that, “Why were we panicked?” (laughing) So if you say one thing, the other thing comes up. “What was there to be panicked?” (laughing) So the Left Vishuddhi is catching and showing. See the joy! Sahaja Yoga is such a joker I tell you. Yogini: We thought - why were we here - last night! Shri Mataji: You must have been blaming the place. You must have been saying that, “Oh, Why did we come to this place? We could have gone to some other place and worked it out. All these people have been here!” No, you have to work very hard. You have to go to much worse places than these are. You are soldiers and soldiers have to be on the battlefield. Yogi: We won a few battles I think. Shri Mataji: You have! You have won it! But you are not enjoying the victory because you are involved into it. Once you know, “Yes we had to win. We have won it,” then you enjoy it. But on the contrary now you are feeling, “Why did we panic?” So this is it. You never catch. But the more you start thinking that, “We are catching,” then you really catch! You are the Eternal Being. You are the one which cannot catch anything. You are the one which cannot be destroyed by anything. You are that, so how can you be caught up? Only change your attitude about things, and then you will know that you have not caught up. It’s all a drama: Mother not coming in the beginning, when she’s coming, it’s all a drama, nicely done. I was very happy and I was happy also that Gregoire suggested it. Though I don’t know if he suggested it with the idea of becoming a big soldier but he did become! His idea was good, very good idea. And it was not [only] his but everybody was feeling, I could read your mind that you all wanted to go beforehand and talk to the new people and tell them about it and give them a little lecture about it because they have not known much about Sahaj Yog. They have been much more with the others and some have come for the first time - for them it is all Greek and Latin! So it was a good idea. It was a very good thing and this is very much related to what I am going to say to you today. So now an I say? Oh this question, alright. Is that a question (you want to ask) or taking out your badhas? Yogi: Taking out. (laughter) Shri Mataji: No you are alright. That’s why you were responsible I think, so you were taking the responsibility too much and that’s why you were heated up. Now you are cool. Alright? You are not responsible for anything. Yogi: At the last meeting at Caxton Hall a person I worked on someone and he was taking lots of drugs and this person kept recognising various people. He would say, “Oh yes I’ve seen that person before, Oh yes, I’ve seen that person before.” Now, do you think it’s because the person had been taking lots of drugs that they were going into the collective subconscious? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. You see, he’s a drug man you can’t bother. I have seen some people who were drunk, quite funny they are, you see, somebody came to our house and they were given drinks, and he came to me and he said, “Oh you must meet Dr. Gan!” I said, “Alright,” then again he said, “You must meet Dr. Gan!” Again he said the same thing. I said, “Why is he saying?” So, I couldn’t understand. Then my husband told me something he’s heard from someone that, “You have to meet Dr. Gan,” so he’s telling you all the time the same. So you see these drunk or drug people are diseased - you are not to bother as to what he’s saying. There’s nothing, no truth in it, what he’s saying. If he says, “I recognise you,” it’s just maybe another trick of the bhoots. I don’t know, it’s nothing important. They can do anything and they can say anything. They are not normal people. They are sick, they are sick people - temporarily sick - so you cannot just trust them. And there is a big craze in the West to say, I have heard people saying that, “I was in Egypt,” (in another life). I said, “How do you know?” “Because such and such person told me I was in Egypt.” I said, “What difference does it make whether you were in Egypt or you were in India or whatever?” Whatever you are today is the point! So they are paying money for that, to know what they were!! That is also there, it’s a big craze going on. But that’s not [the point that] you have to find out what you have been. I mean, how do you explain it, why people ask? I don’t know how to answer this question. I don’t understand, why should you ask anyone, “Where was I?” Then people make money on this kind of a nonsense if you have, “What was my previous birth?” Then somebody was telling me, “I was a pig in my last life,” He said, “Mother do you agree I was a pig?” (laughter) What should I say? Because if I say, “yes,” she may not like it, if I say, “no,” she may not like it. So I just avoided the question. But some sort of a thing like that. It’s very silly but human beings have funny ideas you know. Now, to be a pig! I mean, I would hate to be a pig! And the stench! But they wouldn’t mind calling themselves. I mean they are so funny that they would not mind calling themselves pigs when they are human beings you see!! I mean, you don’t know what to say. I mean this is how it is. They are not to be taken seriously, very seriously. But it’s surprising that people are taken very seriously sometimes. We had a group of people coming to Gavin’s place and there was one, a realised soul who had become a drug addict, I don’t know how. He fell into very bad company. And the another fellow, whom he had regarded as something great, was really mad, absolutely mad! Isn’t it Gavin? He was so mad [that] I don’t know how this mad man was accepted by all this group as something great. He said, “He’s beautiful Mother, you don’t know, he’s beautiful,” I said, “But which part of the thing is beautiful? You just tell me.” He is irrelevantly talking, has no sense, and nothing! He’s mad, actual mad. You can see, he went into [a] lunatic asylum. I said, “I don’t understand the worshippers of lunacy.” This is like worshipping lunacy. You just cannot understand this also, so you just can’t say. Next time, when you come to any such programmes or any place, now you ask me, “What should we do Mother with all the mad people?” And I will tell you what is to be done so that you will not have so much of mosquito drama. It was just a mosquito drama but I’m happy you have handled it very well and you have gone just there, where you were. Now, today, I am going to tell you about Sahaja Yogi, as you are Sahaja Yogis now. You are reborn and you are realised-souls. And what we have to think about ourselves. That is a very important thing. After Sahaja Yoga, as you say that, you have got realisation, you have powers also, and lots of powers are there which you are not aware of, that powers we have got. Now, the first power you have got is to correct yourself without conditioning yourself. Before this, if I said, “Don’t do this, don’t do that!” or you did that way, you were conditioned. Let’s see what is conditioning then you will understand it better. Say, it is all darkness and I cannot see anything inside out, I am just involved into my own body and I want to treat myself, then I put my instruments into wrong places. And the more wrong I do the more I try to re-correct it and it goes even worse and worse and worse. But supposing there is all light, and in you is the doctor who comes out of you. You get separated from that doctor completely and the doctor, who is not involved into your pains and into your troubles. Who can see through what’s wrong with you and he is the only well-wisher you have, then the operation is perfect. There is no conditioning because there is no wrong doing anywhere, he knows what to open, what to close, where to put it right. This doctor is the Witness in you, he’s your Spirit. When you start seeing through that Doctor, everything - you do not feel bad about it. Just now, as you said that, we are catching on the Left Swadishthan, it means a terrible thing. It means that you are practising something which is unauthorised. That means it is blasphemous. You are doing something anti-God. Taking the responsibility upon yourself to do that. But you don’t feel bad about it because you are separated from yourself and you see that, “If I am catching on this, that means there is an effect of something on me by which this part of the centre is suffering and I must correct it.” And you start correcting it because you feel the pain within yourself. Supposing your Agnya is catching here: means you are egoistical, you are dominating, you are non-forgiving, you are like a Hitler. But you don’t feel bad, once your Agnya is catching, it’s paining, you say, “Take it out Mother my ego is colossal. Take it out!” You don’t mind saying that. If somebody had told this to Napoleon that, “You are egoistical,” he would have killed him. If he had told this to Hitler he would have finished him off. He carried on with all his vices, all his self-destroying things with great pride but a Sahaja Yogi cannot. So he has much more chances and much, much instruments to clear himself and to make himself alright, to change himself, without feeling hurt about it, because he’s no more identified with his vices. He’s not identified with his ego so he does not mind correcting himself, his ego. He can do that very easily without conditioning him. You see, about religions, the greatest objection was that it conditions people, so they started the other side of it to decondition people. So the permissiveness and licentiousness, the other side, started. One was conditioning, the other was deconditioning. But if you cannot be conditioned what is the question of deconditioning? So, for a Sahaja Yogi, there is the power given, of loving himself, that he corrects himself, in True Love. I don’t know how much, really, we know how much we have to love ourselves. If you truly love yourself, truly love yourself, then you would like to do something of which you are really proud, within your heart. Say, giving realisation to someone, is such a joy-giving thing within yourselves. You feel so happy about it. You may do hundreds of things in this world but you won’t feel that way as you would feel when you have given realisation to someone. Because it’s a living process which you can do. But when you really understand yourself, the need of your Self, then you really love yourself very well. Otherwise you really do not know what to do to love yourself. To love yourself means - you must know that this body of yours is a special body, now, because it is emitting vibrations, it’s a temple of God so respect it. Respect your body. Don’t be vulgar about your body. We really had, like Mary Magdalene somebody in India, who came to us….(break in recording)… keep it clean, in the sense, yes I mean washing and this thing, you know that’s not the point. But even many people I have seen, are not aware that we get uncleanliness from others, like shaking hands. I mean, if there is someone, you have to shake hands, alright, if you are that much developed that you do not get unclean it’s alright. But if you are not, be careful before shaking hands. Better to say, “hello” and things. You have to be a little particular about it because I have seen people, when they shake their hands, they do receive more bad vibrations than [they] give good vibrations to others. Shaking hands or hugging others, or bringing your body to them only, the vibrations, one has to be very careful as to [see that] you do not spoil. Then this body is nurtured on food: so food also, is important that a food that is cooked by a person who is loving, good, nice, is good for this body. But if you eat a food cooked by a person who is, say, a murderer (??) , immediately your body will revolt, your stomach will revolt against it and that’s why, to keep your stomach alright, try to avoid such places which give you bad vibrations. Your digestion will be very bad if you go to places which are not good. For example, going to Soho I always feel like vomiting! Always, as soon as I go there I feel like vomiting, the whole of my stomach and I must have vomited once or twice in that area, I’m sure about it. Maybe more. But first I didn’t know it was so related, I discovered that it was in Soho that this happens. And this kind of a feeling comes up when you go to places like that. So avoid all such places of vices and things. Even if you see such pictures and all that. Not that something goes that you are not above it - you are - but I mean nobody likes filth, you know. We are above everything but we cannot sit in the filth. You are sensitive to this. As animals are not sensitive to many filths that we have around, but we are, in the same way you start getting sensitive to the filth, the inner filth, that subtler filth which we do not see, so you avoid it. Try to avoid it and you will feel much better. And you will yourself feel your priorities will change, your friends will change, your everything will change and automatically you will not like many things that people are talking about and just your interest will go away. For example, now I asked people just for one’s sake, “What about Jeremy Thorpe?” ( A homosexual British Member of Parliament accused of murder) They said, “Mother we are not reading that these days.” Normally some of you would have known the whole case so well, even better than the pleader himself. But they don’t read it now, just don’t read it. “It’s filth. It’s horrid, horrid.” It’s like that. Your tastes change, your styles change. But allow it to grow and manifest itself and accept it. Gradually it will work out. If you press on it, say you are used to the smoking, you will give up smoking, you will not like it. First you will feel like vomiting about it and all that. But still if you insist, “No, I must smoke, I must smoke,” then you can accept it (the smoking) because then you are giving chance to your ego to accept yourself. Now this is the part I’m saying about the body; now you see all the angles of it - that how we affect our body very much. Another thing is that, too much interest in food will go away, should go away. You should not be too much interested in taste and food and this and that. Also there are crazes about things: the other day I met a lady, she was very thin, I mean, and absolutely I didn’t understand and I said, “What’s the matter with you?” So she said, “Now I eat all healthy food.” I said, “How do you call it healthy?” She said, “There’s a ‘health store’ I go to and I waste my things from there and only that thing I buy.” All this is a craze! Spiritual health is very different from the so-called ‘vitaminised’ health. You see, Spiritual health is the health you get from love, the food of love. It’s different from food of so-called wrestlers bodies, the kind of thing the wrestlers eat. Food of love, we have to take it with love and give it with love and made with love, that is the food is of the highest of all. So, that’s the body part of it, we can see how to look after the body is to not to think too much about food and spontaneously, if somebody gives you something with love, you just take it. That’s how you should eat. But if anybody gives you with hatred don’t take that food. It’s better not to eat such a food than to eat a poisonous thing. It’s poisonous for Sahaja Yogis. Then another thing is to give to others also. We have to be giving to others, food especially. I don’t know how many of you bring chocolates for each other, or something like this, or something nice that you find: supposing you go somewhere and you find some nice cherries or something, then how many of you collect it and give it? Do you bring them for Sahaja Yogis? “Alright let me take it for, say in Sainsbury’s (shop), when I am there, let me take this money when I am there”. This is how you are going to have the articulation, means that you can articulate, you can communicate through this kind of love. You see, a small thing like that, you go somewhere, for Mother you do bring, I know, but for each other, something small and to find out what does he like. Now, I know Dinesh is uncomfortable because he’s a tall fellow and I have been telling him that you sit somewhere on a high thing, because I’m feeling it, I can feel it within myself because I love him and I can feel it because I know tall people have a problem, their height is too much and their centre of gravity is all the time going like that. There’s nothing wrong in it. Anybody who should sit next to him should say, “It’s alright, come along, sit down properly. Come along, sit down properly.” It’s good. And somebody who can sit on the ground should offer a seat saying that, “Come along Dinesh, you can sit here.” It should be that way. You see what I am trying to say [is] that: let’s see small, small things that are needed by others. It’s a very sweet way of living together is - let’s see what do you need. I mean, you are going, say, to Germany now so I’ll be very happy if you bring something for a friend of yours than for me - hundred times! Because that is much more nourishing for me. That’s my food, to think, “Oh, my child has been so generous, and has been so generous.” One day Gavin really gave me the very great happiness and I told him that. You see, one day he invited me to his place and he had lots of people that day and I was embarrassed. I said, “Now Gavin has invited people for dinner but how can so many people be fed? There are so many.” Of course, I knew it would be sufficient but it was just a play I should say. So I allowed about fifty percent of them to disappear and I said, “Let’s have dinner now.” So then he gave us dinner but he was a little bit unhappy. Next day he got up and he said, “Mother why did you ask half of them to go away? And then why did you ask for food so late? Because I had cooked for all of them.” And this was something so joy-giving. I didn’t mind those twenty-five going away for this joy that I got, really. Out of that same is that: how much we do for others? Small, small things, you see. And we should not be jealous in that part. Like, supposing Mia does something for, say, our doctor, then Lindsay should not be jealous of that, on the contrary he should realise that it’s nice that he has done; he should feel happy because doctor is also part of your being. Actually as I feel happy, you should be happy. From this you should know that, if it is done for others and if you see that, it’s much more joy-giving than if it is done for yourself. I tell you it’s a headache, it’s a headache sometimes if something is done for you, you get into a problem you see, “How am I to now pay it off? Oh he’s done so nice now. I must somehow or other try to pay it [back]. The same way as he is.” You feel that he has been so nice and so kind here and so sweet and , “I am not that much, I have never thought of these things how he is capable of these things.” So, this idea can come because you have seen [that] you go from one side to another, so as soon as these things happen, that will happen. And also jealousies can come. Both things should be avoided. And should really enjoy to see a friend [happy]. Why we do it everyday? You don’t know we do it everyday that way, in a very unknown way. Supposing you read a nice story and what is the story you enjoy the best? When you find two persons are loving each other without any selfishness. I mean why do we enjoy? I mean, none of us are there. The girl is not we and the boy is not we, we are something different, but we enjoy because we really enjoy that, in the universal happiness that somebody has done that for someone in that genuine way. Those, I mean, the Indians who have been reading novels and things say that there is a very great writer that we have in our country - Sarat Chandra - and if you ask them, “Which is the story that you like the best in that?” We’ll say, “There’s one ‘Rameshawar’,” is the story. And in that story it’s the beauty of the artist, of the writer is this way, is they show a sister-in-law an elder sister-in-law having great love for the small, little brother-in-law, a little one, who is a step-brother of her husband. And this little brother-in-law first of all wants to find out about his would be sister-in-law and goes and tells his brother that, “You see I must go and see the girl first of all,” as in India it’s a custom that the elders go and see the girl, “I must approve of the girl otherwise how can you marry her? I must approve of the girl,” like a grandfather, you see, just all that. Very sweetly built up the whole thing. But it comes to the climax at a point where this lady has her mother there and she’s a horrid thing and she hates this boy because the daughter loves that child. And he’s just a little boy and he has the half property and all that and he doesn’t understand, an eight year old simple boy you see. So whatever he does she tries to find faults with it. So he brings one tree of banyan, small, little tree he gets a shoot somewhere and he brings it up in the centre of the house in the courtyard and he plants it there. Of course it’s not going to live, it’s a dead stuff, but like a child he brings it and plants it there. So the climax is brought out by the artist, I must say the way it’s brought out is beautiful. So, when it is put there this old lady comes she gets very angry and throws away all the thing out. So the boy comes out in the morning time and he sees that the tree is gone, now it’s no more there. For him it’s something gone out of his life, he feels so unhappy. So he goes to his sister-in-law and she’s standing before him and he goes on the steps and he starts asking, “Why did you throw away?” She says, “I did it,” because she didn’t want the mother to be there. “Why did you do it? Why did you do it?” You see, he starts breaking his head before here, showing all his tortured being, that, “Why did you do it?” So she just takes him to her heart and she says, “Do you know why I did it?” So he says, “Why?” “Because if you put a Banyan tree in the courtyard then the death of the elder sister-in-law takes place.” He said, “Oh God! Really? Then have you thrown it permanently? Throw it away in the river! I hope it will have no effect. Put something there. Bring something just do something that it is finished off.” You see, the whole thing is so beautifully brought in. And the beauty of love between them we enjoy when we know what it is. And that’s how we should look at things when anybody does for anything. Where does the jealousy come in? Just to kill our joy, just to kill our joy. It is nice to to see this is done to others, so much beautiful. That’s why the people who have been described in the novels may not have enjoyed so much as we are enjoying them because we can see that much better and feel good. But in every day to day life we do not do it, we do no do it. For example, a step-mother-in-law, if she’s horrid or step-mother she’s horrid, she’ll go and see a picture of a step-mother and will weep there at the way the step-mother is stern, and at home she will come and again beat her own child. Human beings are like that. So try to enjoy that. You don’t know, human beings are very complicated. If I see it I don’t understand, really, why they do it that way. But when we can enjoy the novels, why not the novel is just here between the friends, between all of us? Let’s have a novel and a play among ourselves, how we do beautiful things and how we try to love. This is how we have to work out among ourselves by doing little, little things here and there and that’s how we are going to beautify ourselves. Now this joy-giving quality of enjoying others is present in you already, is awakened now through Sahaja Yoga and trying to make your life joyous. I have seen many Sahaja Yogis who say, “Mother, we have got knowledge no doubt, our attention is there, but what about the ananda, the joy?” I mean, you are killing your joy every moment! You are bent upon killing your joy every moment, what can I do about it? Those who have been able to overcome that part, then there is more possibility. On the other side of it, supposing somebody you see, who is not doing the proper thing about Sahaj Yoga say, somebody who has started drinking now, after Sahaja Yoga: Then you should go and fight it out with him. Sit down with him for day and night and fight it out with him and see to it. You just say that, “I’m going on a fast because you have taken to drinking.” Work it out! Put all the pressures that are possible under your command. Tell all the Sahaja Yogis, all of you work it out. You know, I was very happy sometimes people told me, “Mother, will you please put attention to such-and-such,” all of you put together, if they say, then I say, “They are on right stages.” “We are all fasting for such and such person,” “We are doing this for such and such people. We are working on such and such person.” And go and fight with that person, tell him on his face and do it. That something is great. This is also another way of, really, to communicate between yourselves, to think about the emancipation of others, about the awakening of others and to put them onto right stages. You will find, all of you have some sort of a problem by which you do not open out to each other. Open out to each other, talk to each other. Openly discuss it. When you will go to India, those who are coming, will see how these people are that way absolutely shameless! They will say, “Come along, this is catching, take it out! Beat me with shoes, do that. Take my shoes and keep it with them and use that for taking it out.” And they’ll say, “You beat me with shoes, go on just beat me with shoes! I am catching here, you go and beat me with shoes.” Unless and until you get after your weaknesses you cannot get rid of them. You should ask yourself, “Oh Mr., come along Mr. Sahaja Yogi, now what is your name, this is your problem, alright? So now let me take you to task!” See to your weaknesses. See to your weaknesses and the strengths of others. And build up your strength and ignore the weaknesses of others. But, if it is destroying that person, then get together, many of you, not one, many of you, and go to that person and save him. This is how it is going to work out among yourselves. Now the biggest problem of the West, because now we are dealing with the majority of the Western people, is E-G-O, absolutely simple. It’s a very simple thing and I have given you the reason why there is so much of ego and why we have been working through ego and how we have been depending on her. Now this Mr. Ego is the one which gives you ideas. It goes to such a limit of ideas giving that even people commit sin because their ego is satisfied by saying, “What do I care for this God? Who is He?” “What are these scriptures? What do I care?” So this Mr. Ego can take human beings to any limit, any limit of self-destruction and one has to be careful about it. This Mr. Ego only gives you a sense of jealousy, because it gets hurt immediately. Now in this programme, if I do not take the names of two, three people - immediately their ego will be hurt. They will think, “Why didn’t you take my name?” And ego identifies with many things, which is a very big problem also, which is such a subtle thing. Now, for example, two friends are there, so they will always club together. Then, if I say one thing to one friend he’ll say, “Mother, why don’t you say to the other friend?” They will say, “Why don’t you say this to other friend?” But not to the whole congregation but to the other friend. All the time that friend is pushed forward. He says, “Why don’t you look after this friend of mine?” Or they’ll push forward in everything, somebody whom they think must be pushed forward. And this kind of identification in someone is ego’s job. And that’s how it keeps you there. It gives you identifications, this way, that way. And you have to disentangle yourself. Know, “As far as my growth is concerned, I’m alone. There I am alone. As far as my own achievements are concerned, I am alone. I am not identified with anyone. I am identified with Truth.” But as far as the Sahaja Yoga and the whole thing, is concerned then all of us must do it together that way. We should all feel it, that way, together. So there won’t be any problem when you all live together but you will enjoy yourself. Small things like saying, “Why don’t you come to my place?” Call them over. Then you tell others like this. You are all saints. A day will come when you will be respected much more than all these kings and queens put together. You are saints and you have to behave like saints towards each other, you have to respect because you are saints and that God is in you now emitting It’s light as vibrations. Every Sahaja Yogi must respect another Sahaja Yogi. And it is a simple thing which one should know. But we do not know it so well because of the one problem - is ego. But in India people understand it because the ego is not so much developed there, that may be why. I wrote to them about a lot of people might be wanting to come to India, what about them? So everyone wrote to me, “Mother, what a great pleasure that saints are coming to our country now. To our country they are visiting. Oh we’ll be having a big festivity. We are going to have a festival of things.” And they were going to take a house in Bombay for 30,000 rupees for a month for you people, because “it should be proper, it should be comfortable.” I said, “Now, nothing doing! There will be hardly twelve people coming and you just don’t spend so much money.” They would have given you a red carpet treatment and those who have been there, you can ask them how they have treated them. “Because the saints are coming and we must serve the saints and they are saints and we must respect them.” This is the idea they have there. In the same way, you should know we have to respect each other because we are all saints. We have entered into the Kingdom of God. We have been blessed by Him and we have to understand that we are all individually dear to God and He has bestowed upon us that Light. If you do not respect each other properly Sahaja Yoga cannot work out. And not [to be] identified with anyone, like I said. I sometimes see those acrobats you have, in the air, when the aeroplanes go round; how they are keeping the distance alright, respecting each other properly, everyone. They do not collide and they do not bump into each other. In the same way, the whole thing should move. See this Universe, see how beautifully God has created it, with so many stars are moving, so many satellites are moving, and there’s no collision. And this Earth is moving with tremendous speed and we are nicely settled down here without feeling the speed or the noise of that moving mass. How beautifully the whole thing is worked out and how delicately it is all placed. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga is a tremendous Universe and that Universe you have to move with that respect and love and understanding for each other. Arrogance to each other or saying hurting things to others, or even disrespect, even showing your tongue and things, you should not do that. You are saints, you are matured people. I mean, I have seen, even in the Parliament, the way people behave towards each other is most surprising and shocking - how can they? But you are the chosen ones by God, you are all dignified just like all great sages. Behave in that manner and respect each other! And be very much thankful that you have so many like you here, with whom you can share your ideas and can talk to each other and can be kind to each other and can also be absolutely one with each other, absolutely one with each other. It is a very special position you are into. Because of this ego we really try to be very, very indignified and misidentified. This you can bring about very carefully in the house, if you can write in your rooms, “I am a realised soul.” It’s writ large on your forehead! Absolutely I can see clearly. It’s writ large in your eyes. Anybody who goes to India, say, need not tell me that they are going, Sahaja Yogis will find out who they are in no time. Even looking at a person one can say, “Yah, you see, he’s a realised soul.” It’s writ large on your faces. So identified with your Self that you are and not that what you were, it’s finished, you’ve got your Self-realisation. So all the franticness the panic, the indignity, the disturbances, all will gradually settle down now. Just shake yourself, because now that’s like the leaves on the tree which are dead now, will fall down, and the new leaves have to come out. This is a thing I wanted to talk to you about your Self and about the Sahaja Yoga, internal yoga. One is internal yoga here, and another is a yoga between all of you - is very important. Gradually you will be developing new and new dimensions and new and new visions about each other. When you will start seeing this on others, you will start seeing in yourself. Try to see good points of others and bad points of yours. But don’t condemn it (yourself) because there’s another side to this, is that this Left-Vishuddhi, is to feel guilty about it. That’s not the point. Guilty, feeling guilty is not done by a person who is in the Witness State. He doesn’t take up anything as bad because he can remove it. So you remove that and remove this and be in the centre. Just be in the centre where you receive the complete blessings. Sometimes, even if you lose vibrations, doesn’t matter. You are a realised soul and you will be a realised soul. Even if you are reborn you will be a realised soul no doubt about it. You are not going to lose it. And if anybody says anything to you [it] doesn’t matter, makes no difference, because you are a realised soul, you are above it, so let them say whatever they like. Whatever you are you are, they cannot change you. You can change them and they cannot change you. They cannot change you. So it’s something that is so much you own so why should you bother if others do not appreciate you? It doesn’t matter. But try to help them out. You are just doing it because you want to help them. If you think that way everything will be alright. And for doing it you have to be in meditation to see yourself [that’s] very important, to see yourself. And you have to try on others also, if they ask you. You should ask others to see you and watch and find out what’s the matter with you, where are we and what is happening to you. But there are now, lots of unanimous feelings among you which is surprising and good when there is an attack. This is the best part of the whole thing is that, when there is an attack, there’s a collectivity much more, in emergencies. Like there was an attack here and you felt much closer to each other. And there was quite an unanimous verdict on this that it was a horrid, horrid place we had come to. But the whole thing is transformed into a beautiful place now. Now even somebody coming here and sleeping might get his Kundalini awakened you see. You can transform. They’ll be a master, they’ll just laugh at these people like the elephant walking and the dogs barking like that, it makes no difference to the elephant, he just puts his ears just like this here (laughter). So, for the morning on this if you have any questions a little bit I don’t mind, but on this subject. Ya? Yogi: Some Sahaja Yogis have been getting colds. Now, if they are getting vibrations, should they be getting colds? And if they are getting colds, are they doing wrong things or eating wrong things? Shri Mataji: That is the ‘blessing’ of this country (laughter) that you get cold. I mean, this is also a human nature, you see. Just see the beauty of it. You see, in India, now, for example, my husband, at least, wears seven sweaters, you won’t believe it. See now, he’s (a yogi in the room) wearing a sweater which is covering his neck. Those who come from the hot country keep themselves much more protected than you people. I have always requested all of you to buy one scarf each of a very thick thing, that you should always keep your neck covered with a scarf. So, I have been requesting everybody that you bring it, I’ll vibrate it, I’ll give it to you, do that. And also you should know what it causes because of hot and cold you see. Never take anything cold after hot. Gradually you start from cold to the hot. Now, the another thing which catches Vishuddhi to begin with, is when you do not have consideration of the collectivity, in a subtler way. In a subtler way it starts like that. When you are aware of the collective being then the Vishuddhi is much better. Because of the ego problem here, also, the Vishuddhi catches because once the ego is there you are move individualistic, “I am this, I am that,” so it goes hand in hand with that. So one has to be more careful that we should keep our neck covered and use also some balm or something, just to give it some soothing thing. But, what is the best thing for your throats, is salt. You see, at this point you become the Viraat, the All-pervading, you can say, the Primordial Being. Now, pervading into everything is done through salt. Salt dissolves into all the solvent things. So salt is the thing, solution, for this. From the ocean you take out the salt which is clear cut and then you put it here. This is, also, is Viraata’s thing. Now, all these Gurus, in the stomach, have praised that Viraat, is the Akbar, is the Great Being, He’s the one here (Vishuddhi). So the salt, that they are, you have to use them here. It pleases. Salt is like the sages. You are the salt. Do you remember this? And you are the salt, all the Sahaja Yogis are the salts. And the salt is very pleasing to Shri Krishna, to your Primordial Being here. So when you take salt, in that way, is to gargle your throat, and to put a little salt if you want to here, with your fingers, with this finger is good. Use this finger for this thing. And look after that part because this is the demand of this country. We have demands of other troubles in other countries, like India is malaria, you have to protect yourself from malaria. Or maybe somewhere it is plague, I don’t know what countries even have, what sort of things. But here it is cold and catarrh and all these things are there. So a few things like that. And also inhalation and there are some things we know, very simple things, which cost nothing, is this ajwain ka dhuni, which they will tell you how to do it. All these things you must take and look after your throats. It’s very important to look after your throats. And that’s why people catch cold. But what is wrong in Sahaja Yoga is this, that you have not respected your Vishuddhi Chakra. You have to be careful. You catch from other people also so many times, so be careful as not to contact with other people. But it can be easily overcome if you develop your Witness State better and if you concentrate on your Vishuddhi Chakra. It can improved and it can be settled. What other trouble people have is liver. It’s common with people. Most of you have it because you are all the time thinking too much and the liver doesn’t get sufficient of energy so the liver is there. So, for liver also, we know what is to be done. And it’s more liver here than in India I think, yes. Extremes should be avoided, like sitting in the Sun and bathing yourself for hours together and all that is not necessary. And there’s no need to expose your body. You can cover your body and still the Sun’s rays go into you. There’s no need to expose your body. Actually the exposure of body is very dangerous for your nerves and everything, it’s very bad. You should not expose your body so much. Even in the water also, directly, you should never expose your body. You must cover your body in the water also, because water also attacks you. So exposure of body should be in a very limited space and in a very limited way. As far as possible body should not be exposed too much. It’s very dangerous because then you allow your chakras to be opened to these entities and a kind of a vulgarity walks in you. Now, this is another thing is that, in this country, people sleep without any clothes on them. I mean, this is the coldest country where people should cover up themselves and sleep. I sleep with the sweater on and everything on to be very frank, you see! Although we have the central heating on, but we all sleep like that. And here it is a very common thing that you find. And one Indian gentleman told me that’s the reason the children don’t sleep in the same room as the parents sleep. And we always had children with us because we don’t take out our clothes, we just sleep as we sleep normally. And there’s no need to be all the time in a perpetual nudity to enjoy your sleep. Or I don’t know what is the need to be nude in sleep because it’s a very bad thing is to expose yourself in the night especially because night time all these nocturnal people, all these spirits are hovering around and if they see anybody like that they might end up in them. So it’s a very dangerous thing. But this idea I think you have started very recently. Somebody must have given you ideas that to sleep without clothes is very good perhaps, which everybody starts doing that way. You see all these, also there are lots of spirits who are writing books so be careful if somebody says like that, “If you take out all your clothes you’ll behave different.” You’ll find anybody here who is all the time ?? nobody. Everybody has some sort of a ?? all the time. It’s very bad for the mind. You see the mind is never alright. Like, I would say now, I was coming and I saw a very nice church and with that all these graves, all the crosses and graves there. I said, now anybody going to the church will be possessed. But at least when you go to church there’s one thing you do is to wear a clean dress, go with a mark and all that, so that, if they see you clean and neat, then they are a little afraid to come into you. But if you go in the night without any dress there when you get in bed, you can become a booboo next morning (laughter). That’s what they do all these people, this ‘narayan’ and all that, all of them go do it there. And not only but they go to the temples where the Deities are and before them they become naked and do all kinds of dirty things and then get all the [dead] spirits to come down there because no more the God’s attention is there. And that’s how they work out with dead spirits, so it is like that. All these certain things you have to change. This is not your culture and do not insult your culture by saying, “This is our culture.” It’s absolutely nonsensical. This is not English culture, neither it is Western culture. They were all sensible people and they were never that nonsensical, the way we are now, and so we should not say this was our culture at all. I mean, this would be an insult to the culture. Only a few kings used to misbehave and everybody criticised them, nobody liked them. So, I mean that vice has become now, in democracy, everybody becomes a king as far as the vices are concerned, not in the good points. That kind of a democracy is of no use. And so, that sort of a thing it has happened but this was never your culture before. A very great, sensible people, and known for your wisdom. You know England is the Heart of the Universe and how could it be that foolish? Just think about it, it’s the Heart of the Universe, it is heart shaped also. It’s a very important thing and that’s why I am here with you. So try to respect it and respect it’s traditions. Yogi: Shri Mataji is it easier for evil spirits of bhoots to get into Sahaja Yogis? Shri Mataji: No, it is more difficult but you can feel them. You see the thing is, when you are not a Sahaja Yogi you cannot feel it. You can get possessed, you can get depressed, you can get all kinds of things, you might even become a lunatic person, you may. Whatever may happen but you won’t feel it. But as soon as you are a Sahaja Yogi you can feel it and that’s how you can guard yourselves. It is very difficult. And if you know all the methods of guarding then it’s even better. And actually Sahaja Yogis do not catch, as I said, but if you go on feeling, “I have caught, I have caught,” so you have it! Yogi: As far as I can really see that before one can really get in control of one’s body from the start one is especially vulnerable (to bhoots). is that so? Shri Mataji: No, no. You are much less vulnerable. But only you can feel it because you are sensitive. Like, if you have a pain, they may kill it with some sort of a numb effect. But when it goes out you feel it. In the same way, you are numbed before realisation, and after realisation you aren’t. And that’s what Sahaja Yogis think that, they all attack us and all that. They are literally frightened of you because you are much more powerful. It’s an idea that, “We are attacked because we are Sahaja Yogis.” (laughing) The idea is that. Nothing of the kind. On the contrary they run away, they run away. But you should be someone, in a beautiful way that they run away, they just don’t come near you. We have three of them in Rahuri and some of the possessed people they told that, “Please tell these three not to go together. Even if they have to go they can go single people. Because, after all, we have left the bodies but we have to live somewhere, and they go on their motorbikes,” so he said, “tell them not to go that fast. Give us some chance at least to get away from there.” So it’s like that! (laughing) So you are not attacked more. But they come more in your awareness you see. But there are certain ways of judging you. Like there was a girl in America, she used to run a shop of her own and what happened [was that] she was very good at remembering everything; this is this, this is this, that one is yellow coloured and this is pink colour and this price is so much and everything. She was very good. Once she got realisation she forgot all that, she couldn’t do that way. But the profits were four times [larger]. And she was surprised, with all that thing, and she used to get a headache everyday. She could not sleep with the idea that she has put this here and she should have put it there and all that. She was [now] not doing anything like that. She was just doing spontaneously, just existing, and the profits were four times. She was so amazed. Because the attention you pay to [things] is very limited and with your limited idea. But after realisation you just become a vehicle of the dynamic attention which works it out. And it’s amazing how it works, amazing. Yogi: Mother, can one be too passive about witnessing one’s realisation? (laughter) Shri Mataji: You see, passive and active comes from the way we are either in the ego, the way we are acting, whether we are acting through ego. But in Sahaja Yoga you are neither passive nor active you are just there. This is the difference here. What are you saying to me? “Am I passive” or “active”? Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: You are active? You are not. I am passively active. I am acting but I’m doing nothing but I am acting, you can say, in the same way that you have got powers to do. But if you think that you can do it just by sleeping over, that’s not the way it will work out. You have to be. Like I have told many people, “Why don’t you get up in the morning? If you do not have time in the evening to meditate, meditate in the morning” Because you have to do it. Still you are not there, that’s why you have to be active about it. First you become absolutely a Witness State, then you don’t have to do anything, you just sit down and you are in it. But still I have to travel, I have to go and meet people. I have to talk to you. I have to talk to you for hours together. Sometimes I have to sit in one place for ten hours continuously. So, I am quite active in that way. And I am also inactive because I am not doing anything, I am just watching it. If I see manifested… (end of recording)

Our Understanding of Sahaja Yoga, London, 1978 Today if you ask me one or two questions it would be better and I will give you the answers because this is between us - those who have had the experience and those who are practically there, and there are very few new people here I see. But those who are at least acquainted with the vibrations and all that, should ask me questions to begin with, because then otherwise I will be tackling new persons later on. Hmm. Yogi: Mother you said in Caxton Hall that if a person doesn’t speak to their mother for a long time…can you elaborate on that theme again please. Shri Mataji: You see, you are born from a mother, alright? You are not born hanging from a tree, and neither you are thrown from the heavens and suddenly you are found, born on this Earth. You are born from a mother in her womb. Her blood flows into you for nine months. You live upon her. You are a part and parcel of her being for nine months, which is the most important time of your life. Now, she is there to give you, first, the sense of security. In a mother’s womb a child feels secured. If the mother is upset it has an effect on the child. If there’s something wrong with her then that is affected on the child, in the sense, physically, also. It’s such a deep relationship exists between you and your mother that I’ll have to write a book to tell you how much it is deep within you. But, within us, the power of Kundalini is the power of a Mother and not of a Father. The Father is the Witness as a Spirit and the Mother is the Kundalini, and the Kundalini has to rise. Now it is the Mother in you that is the Kundalini and your own mother. It very much depends what kind of relationship you have with your own mother. Supposing you do not know how to love your own mother, you can never love your mother country, you can never love it. That is the beginning. The training starts there only, with your mother. If that point is lacking then you cannot have a full blooming of that love. Now maybe the mother has not been a very good mother possibly. There are according to Sanskrit words, as I told you, there cannot be a bad mother – kumata - but sometimes she could be bad also. So the idea of a ‘bad mother’ is more brought forth by the intervention of law into mother child relationship. When the mother is being punished by law for correcting her child or doing something, the artificiality starts; when people can sue their mothers. The responsibility of the law is not to disturb the natural relationships. If they start disturbing the natural relationship the artificiality starts. And that’s why, in the countries where law has taken charge of children and such things, without understanding the basic thing that it is a natural thing to love your child. Instead of that, if they had encouraged mothers who were more loving, more kind, if they had even training to mothers, how to be more kind and gentle, if they had given more impetus to people to be good mothers. Instead of having beauty contests if they had 'good mother contests’. If motherhood had been upheld by political and economic institutions, then it would have been much better. But the whole society is turning to self-destruction, so the law, first, takes over. So the child is quite sure of itself. Now an eighteen year old boy in the family, who gets the dole (unemployment payments), then he thinks no end of himself. He answers back his mother; he talks in a very rude manner to the mother. It’s alright to say you have done it for an eighteen year old boy but you don’t know that [maybe] he is the eldest boy; the other children in the family follow him up. So they pick it up when they are even very young. The idea of giving money to boys at that age also is extremely harmful because when he gets the money the other children think they must also get some money, so they start charging mother for the work that they are doing - you must pay 5p for bringing a glass of water for the mother. Then the mothers now are of a different type. I mean, there are so many mothers who say that, “It is not a thing that we should love our children; it’s not natural”! Artificial has become natural and natural has become artificial. How is it, within these [last] ten or fifteen years, suddenly the mothers have become so funny? Now, because of these pressures, what happens is that we develop a feeling against our mother. We start judging our mother and father. We should never judge them. We are not to judge them because we have chosen them. They are there just as part and parcel of ourselves. Supposing your nose is broken: Do you start judging yourself, “My nose is broken, my nose is broken”? Do you discard your nose? In the same way your parents are. You cannot discard your parents! But the whole society is working like this. It’s a vicious circle. Now, if I say, “You go and talk to your mother,” then you can say, “My mother is not a good person. She is this and that.” Then I have to say, “Alright, then you forgive her.” Then you don’t like it. You would expect me to tell you, “Alright, just go and bash her.” You would be pleased if I tell you like that, some of you would - “Go and beat her up!” But I would not say like that because that’s not the way Sahaja Yogis are going to work away. You must know that the whole society is in a whirlwind, it’s a whirlwind, so somebody has to steady oneself and stop and try to change the winds. And that’s why a Sahaja Yogi has to stand up and understand that respect and reverence of parents is important. But it is an actual thing, because if you are not good with your mother your left side is weak; you have seen it on the vibrations. Whatever I say you can see it on your vibrations. You will be the loser, so forgive her. Know that she has given you birth. Maybe if she has been harsh to you, angry with you or done something - forgive her. And you will be amazed, you can win her over, it’s not difficult because by your goodness to her, by your over-goodness towards her, relatively, it will work. And maybe, exceptionally, one person may be this thing (kumata) but you cannot make a rule out of that; exceptionally one may be. But if you have to change the society, the whole thinking, somebody has to stand up. And it is a chakra within you, you know, where it touches a point of Void, where the left-side touches the point of Void. That is a centre, a very important centre for a mother, which [it] makes. And do you know it is very near the centre of existence, because your existence depends on that. Supposing a child had no mother: he can never be a good husband, very difficult for him to be a good husband because all the womanhood, all the kindness, the sublimity, the greatness of women, is known through your mother to begin with; or a woman who does not have a mother, can never be a good wife or could not be a good mother herself. All these things are there so we have to stop it and change it. This is the point. Sahaja Yogis must know that we have to change and transform ourselves and that is the point [where] they feel bad. We are not only responsible for our change but we have to bring about the change in the whole world, where the society is getting destroyed, the human beings are getting destroyed, so we have to stand up. So we have to change our way of thinking. What’s wrong in talking to your mother? She’s not going to kill you if you talk to her. Why don’t you talk to her? Because you hate her, you want her to feel bad. I mean, you don’t go and hit your mother. This is the only way you can really be harsh to her, is not to talk to her - [so] she feels rejected by her own child whom she has created. God must be feeling that way also the way we reject Him. Everybody’s left side improves now. But try to love and you will enjoy, because loving is the greatest thing. To love someone is adoration, absolute adoration, is reverence. If you love someone then you know that it is so great, it makes you so great to love someone. It’s a very great feeling that, “I love someone”; it’s like a Lord one feels, “Oh I love this one and I love so many and so many are there!” And that person need not love me, I mean I don’t think all the Sahaja Yogis love me so much as I love them, maybe. But I’m very proud of my Sahaja Yogis and I love them. This is the most joy-giving thing is to love, yourself. To be able to love, that’s the greatest ability a person should have - is to love others. And in love, forgiveness is the most; that’s why Christ said forgiveness is the greatest weapon. And what do you achieve by not talking? I mean, what do you achieve? Let us see the other side of it; what do we achieve by not talking to someone? Rationally. It’s a sweet method of course, if sometimes children do, “I am not talking to you,” you see. Then you can have a little play about that. But it should be just a play. If it is a serious stuff it’s nonsense. It’s just to play about, is very good that, “I’m not talking to you, I’m not going to talk to you for some time,” he knows that. But then it is not serious, it is just to bring out certain points and it’s nice that mother should come and cuddle you and persuade you and try to help you - that’s a good thing. But the way we are serious about it is something wrong. Yogi: Can you tell us what the vibrations are? Shri Mataji: Vibrations, as I said, that is the manifestation of the Spirit. But it is a very vague way of expressing it. Now see, if there’s a nice flame before me, this candle has been enlightened. Now what does it do? It gives you light. Alright, but how does it give you light? By throwing light towards you, by emitting light. It is the emitting, of pulsation from the Self. This light, this is light. Actually there is sound, there is light; very high frequency sound - very high frequency. Actually many types of sounds are mixed in. There’s is magnetism in this, in these vibrations. It has all the five elements -the subtle of all the five elements (tanmatras) inside these vibrations only. They are talking, they are telling you, they are guiding you, they are helping you. It’s because the Spirit is working through them. Like this light that you take in your hand: you go in the darkness, and you see that there is an impediment in between [and] you have to cross it. So you get the idea with this light. The light is doing that for you. So, when the Spirit pulsates in your conscious mind, in your conscious mind, then it is a Self-realised personality. But in the unconscious it is there, all the time working. Actually the Spirit Itself comes out. It’s as big as your thumb is. But you can contain your thumb in your heart. That is the reflection of the God Almighty within us, because heart receives that image within itself, it is pulsating and is emitting the Knowledge through our unconscious. Spirit is an unconscious being till we are realised. Once we are realised it becomes conscious, it starts emitting itself and pulsating. And what is Spirit? Is God Almighty Himself, in a miniature form, which is reflected within us. The more we clean our heart, which represents all the seven chakras within us. There are seven auras around our heart. All the seven chakras which are here in the Sahasrara, the seats are there, and all the seven chakras that are there, within us, have seven auras around our heart and when all of them are clear-cut, absolutely clear, pure, integrated then the complete emission starts, of those vibrations. They are much more than I can explain because, say, the other day, a lady was writing a letter to me and she was saying that, “Mother I am so sorry. I have my accommodation problem is at the climax…” and, very frustrating letter you see, to begin with and absolutely as if she was going to be doomed, the way she was writing it! And, I mean, such a trivial thing like that, but she was very concerned because she didn’t know where to go. And first half of the letter was like that. Second half was this that, “Mother, just now I have received a letter from the authorities that they have allotted me a very beautiful place” in such and such place!! (laughing) Now, I would say this is all vibrations because it is All-pervading now, and you become one with the All-pervading Power so how it helps! Because when she was writing to me, the vibrations were feeling it, what she was writing from the paper, so they communicated to the All-pervading Power. And as the Angels, or you can say the Deities, also, can understand and they must have thought, “Why bother Mother with all this nonsense, better give her the letter as soon as possible, finish it off!” So in the second letter she says, “I’m such a fool to write this but I must write to you to give you the night and the day of my life.” So she wrote to me. So, it can work out that way, that quick. So the vibrations are actually the things which are the doers and the enjoyers. They are the one, who enjoy, also, if they find a very good Self-realised soul coming. Then you just feel the Self-realised soul and you say, “Oh very good. Come along, come along. Just have it” Everybody starts enjoying that joy that’s coming from that person. And that is what it is, that you start enjoying that beauty in that person through the vibrations. It’s a multi-dimensional thing - though it looks so simple, that you are feeling in the hand, that’s all. So it is a multi-dimensional thing just like the God Almighty. And, for your information, it is only He does everything. So only the vibrations work out everything. We really do not do anything whatsoever - [if we think we do] we are living in a fool’s paradise! For example, a tree dies and you chain it over and make a nice seat for me to sit down - so what? Tree is dead and you make a seat and you say, “Oh, we have built this, we have done that!” Nothing! What do you do? Can you sprout even a small, little seed? You cannot. But these vibrations only, which connect you with the All-pervading Power, which are part of the All-pervading power, these pervading Almighty’s eyes, you can say - they are the ones who look after each and every minute thing in this whole world. Can you think of such a multi-dimensional thing? Now you have seen how vibrations work on people, how they dissolve even the thick bones and how they bring out the Kundalini here and how you see the softness on your head. Just you cannot explain how, because they only do everything. They have the universal communication centres and they have universal broadcasting stations, they have universal TV centres there. Everything is there. In short, you just copy them a little bit and you think you are doing something but you really don’t do anything whatsoever. That’s why it is said that Brahma - this is the expression of Brahma, these vibrations are the Brahma - is the only Truth, the rest is all avidya, is all a maya, is just an illusion. We live in illusions you see. He is the Enjoyer, He is the Doer, you are just in between to see Him. It would be like this mic (microphone) thinking that he’s giving the lecture of Sahaja Yoga - it’s really like that!! So to explain what is vibrations may not be so simple in all its details. But the overall idea I have given to you. Is it alright? Rustom: Mother, I wanted to ask what is the function for the Left-Swadishthana in all of us because it’s been catching all weekend. Shri Mataji: You all had it? Alright. I’ll ask ?? and then this. What’s that? Who asked me there? New person: You were talking about the mother and child’s relationship with their parents and you said that maybe you don’t like them, but that’s too bad, we have chosen them. Would you elaborate on that? Shri Mataji: We have chosen our parents. Oh we have definitely chosen. I mean, most of you have, because mediocre people, those who are absolutely mediocre, just like very primitive souls. We should not say, ‘primitive people’ but we can say ‘primitive souls’ because there’s a difference between the two. A person may be, say the king you had here, who killed his seven wives, he was a very primitive soul. He might be a king but he was a very primitive soul. So the primitive souls, they are not so particular as to who is their father or mother, and they also, sometimes, choose horribly primitive people as their parents, also, sometimes. So both the extremes choose - those who are very primitive and those who are very advanced always choose. And you being the seekers, you have also chosen your parents before taking your birth, definitely, through the All-pervading Power. So many of you have had parents because of your previous relationships with them. You might have seen that if we attach to some people like a mother, sometimes like a father, in this lifetime also you might be feeling that way. Because in India also the situation is a little funny but still in India it’s very common that you start feeling for somebody as if she is your mother. Yesterday I saw that Starkey of your BBC1 feeling for a lady, something like that. So imagine that Starkey, such a starkingly (sic) dry person, having that kind of feeling for an old lady! So the reason is that he might have been connected with her in his previous lives and might have been his own mother, like that. So maybe you might have felt about someone like that in previous lives that, “Oh, I wish she was my mother.” Maybe she was the mother of your friend or someone and you thought that she was a very good mother, so you have it. You want that mother? Alright? Now when you see her you get frightened of her. So you will not ask that type, now you will ask for another type. So you have to go through many types, but better do one completely so that you don’t have to come back to the same. So better know about one completely by loving that person then you are finished with one type; you get another type then. So coming to his problem of Swadishthan, Left. Are you all having catching here? (Yogis/new people respond. Barely audible) Shri Mataji: I am happy you could see all that. Actually, Gregoire told me that, “Mother, if you come from the very first day then the attention will be on you and then we want to talk among ourselves about things. And there are some people who have not known much about Sahaja Yoga and we would like to discuss.” I said, “Good idea, you go ahead. I think it’s a good idea and you should do it.” Gregoire: No, not exactly that Mother, this I can’t say! Shri Mataji: But what I’m trying to say is that your intentions were good that you were going to see for yourself, meet everyone and all of you suggested that to me. I mean, everybody said that, “We would like to discuss among ourselves.” Now. So there are children of different types. You said, “Let’s see now what happens.” But it’s a good idea, very good idea, because I would like you to mature like this and to understand, because this is a very good thing that has happened. Now, I will say why it is good? Alright? Because, supposing you are all the time under my saree, hidden down here, you are never going to face these horrible things. And some of you, even today, do not believe that there are [dead] spirits. It’s better to face it. Better to face it. Now, there are also people who get possessed, also there, and they know what it is. But those who were never possessed do not believe in it. Actually they do believe because I am saying it, but actually inside they do not believe that there are spirits. So it was nice to face them here, first of all, alright to know. Then secondly you are not to remain all the time under my saree. This is called as palla in Sanskrit language. So you have to face it. And it’s a very nice thing that has happened that you have been able to face it. Now you are over that. Now, any place you go to, all the devils will run away from there! Not only that but nobody of this kind would be going to those places again. So, that’s a very good thing that has happened and that you have taken it up upon yourselves. It’s a very big thing. I liked it. I really liked this thing, that you wanted to take it up and come down here and that you could feel it. Now, I would say that none of you are harmed; none of you is harmed actually; none of you. Only thing you felt that, because you are in collective consciousness. You must feel the aim of your life, you must know. And also Left Swadishthana is caught by people who indulge in unauthorised ways of God. And so you recognise that, all of them who have been here have been unauthorised. Without any argument you know. So, that’s a training, and which you understand it, first of all. Secondly none of you are caught up now. Just if you see, none of you have got anything of Swadishthana left (remaining). You never catch actually. After all, you are the instrument so you are the indicator. You just indicate. If you could just learn how to be a witness to that indication you will never feel [that] you catch. Now, what you have felt catching is the Left Vishuddhi actually: is that you are feeling guilty about it, that, “Why were we panicked?” (laughing) So if you say one thing, the other thing comes up. “What was there to be panicked?” (laughing) So the Left Vishuddhi is catching and showing. See the joy! Sahaja Yoga is such a joker I tell you. Yogini: We thought - why were we here - last night! Shri Mataji: You must have been blaming the place. You must have been saying that, “Oh, Why did we come to this place? We could have gone to some other place and worked it out. All these people have been here!” No, you have to work very hard. You have to go to much worse places than these are. You are soldiers and soldiers have to be on the battlefield. Yogi: We won a few battles I think. Shri Mataji: You have! You have won it! But you are not enjoying the victory because you are involved into it. Once you know, “Yes we had to win. We have won it,” then you enjoy it. But on the contrary now you are feeling, “Why did we panic?” So this is it. You never catch. But the more you start thinking that, “We are catching,” then you really catch! You are the Eternal Being. You are the one which cannot catch anything. You are the one which cannot be destroyed by anything. You are that, so how can you be caught up? Only change your attitude about things, and then you will know that you have not caught up. It’s all a drama: Mother not coming in the beginning, when she’s coming, it’s all a drama, nicely done. I was very happy and I was happy also that Gregoire suggested it. Though I don’t know if he suggested it with the idea of becoming a big soldier but he did become! His idea was good, very good idea. And it was not [only] his but everybody was feeling, I could read your mind that you all wanted to go beforehand and talk to the new people and tell them about it and give them a little lecture about it because they have not known much about Sahaj Yog. They have been much more with the others and some have come for the first time - for them it is all Greek and Latin! So it was a good idea. It was a very good thing and this is very much related to what I am going to say to you today. So now an I say? Oh this question, alright. Is that a question (you want to ask) or taking out your badhas? Yogi: Taking out. (laughter) Shri Mataji: No you are alright. That’s why you were responsible I think, so you were taking the responsibility too much and that’s why you were heated up. Now you are cool. Alright? You are not responsible for anything. Yogi: At the last meeting at Caxton Hall a person I worked on someone and he was taking lots of drugs and this person kept recognising various people. He would say, “Oh yes I’ve seen that person before, Oh yes, I’ve seen that person before.” Now, do you think it’s because the person had been taking lots of drugs that they were going into the collective subconscious? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. You see, he’s a drug man you can’t bother. I have seen some people who were drunk, quite funny they are, you see, somebody came to our house and they were given drinks, and he came to me and he said, “Oh you must meet Dr. Gan!” I said, “Alright,” then again he said, “You must meet Dr. Gan!” Again he said the same thing. I said, “Why is he saying?” So, I couldn’t understand. Then my husband told me something he’s heard from someone that, “You have to meet Dr. Gan,” so he’s telling you all the time the same. So you see these drunk or drug people are diseased - you are not to bother as to what he’s saying. There’s nothing, no truth in it, what he’s saying. If he says, “I recognise you,” it’s just maybe another trick of the bhoots. I don’t know, it’s nothing important. They can do anything and they can say anything. They are not normal people. They are sick, they are sick people - temporarily sick - so you cannot just trust them. And there is a big craze in the West to say, I have heard people saying that, “I was in Egypt,” (in another life). I said, “How do you know?” “Because such and such person told me I was in Egypt.” I said, “What difference does it make whether you were in Egypt or you were in India or whatever?” Whatever you are today is the point! So they are paying money for that, to know what they were!! That is also there, it’s a big craze going on. But that’s not [the point that] you have to find out what you have been. I mean, how do you explain it, why people ask? I don’t know how to answer this question. I don’t understand, why should you ask anyone, “Where was I?” Then people make money on this kind of a nonsense if you have, “What was my previous birth?” Then somebody was telling me, “I was a pig in my last life,” He said, “Mother do you agree I was a pig?” (laughter) What should I say? Because if I say, “yes,” she may not like it, if I say, “no,” she may not like it. So I just avoided the question. But some sort of a thing like that. It’s very silly but human beings have funny ideas you know. Now, to be a pig! I mean, I would hate to be a pig! And the stench! But they wouldn’t mind calling themselves. I mean they are so funny that they would not mind calling themselves pigs when they are human beings you see!! I mean, you don’t know what to say. I mean this is how it is. They are not to be taken seriously, very seriously. But it’s surprising that people are taken very seriously sometimes. We had a group of people coming to Gavin’s place and there was one, a realised soul who had become a drug addict, I don’t know how. He fell into very bad company. And the another fellow, whom he had regarded as something great, was really mad, absolutely mad! Isn’t it Gavin? He was so mad [that] I don’t know how this mad man was accepted by all this group as something great. He said, “He’s beautiful Mother, you don’t know, he’s beautiful,” I said, “But which part of the thing is beautiful? You just tell me.” He is irrelevantly talking, has no sense, and nothing! He’s mad, actual mad. You can see, he went into [a] lunatic asylum. I said, “I don’t understand the worshippers of lunacy.” This is like worshipping lunacy. You just cannot understand this also, so you just can’t say. Next time, when you come to any such programmes or any place, now you ask me, “What should we do Mother with all the mad people?” And I will tell you what is to be done so that you will not have so much of mosquito drama. It was just a mosquito drama but I’m happy you have handled it very well and you have gone just there, where you were. Now, today, I am going to tell you about Sahaja Yogi, as you are Sahaja Yogis now. You are reborn and you are realised-souls. And what we have to think about ourselves. That is a very important thing. After Sahaja Yoga, as you say that, you have got realisation, you have powers also, and lots of powers are there which you are not aware of, that powers we have got. Now, the first power you have got is to correct yourself without conditioning yourself. Before this, if I said, “Don’t do this, don’t do that!” or you did that way, you were conditioned. Let’s see what is conditioning then you will understand it better. Say, it is all darkness and I cannot see anything inside out, I am just involved into my own body and I want to treat myself, then I put my instruments into wrong places. And the more wrong I do the more I try to re-correct it and it goes even worse and worse and worse. But supposing there is all light, and in you is the doctor who comes out of you. You get separated from that doctor completely and the doctor, who is not involved into your pains and into your troubles. Who can see through what’s wrong with you and he is the only well-wisher you have, then the operation is perfect. There is no conditioning because there is no wrong doing anywhere, he knows what to open, what to close, where to put it right. This doctor is the Witness in you, he’s your Spirit. When you start seeing through that Doctor, everything - you do not feel bad about it. Just now, as you said that, we are catching on the Left Swadishthan, it means a terrible thing. It means that you are practising something which is unauthorised. That means it is blasphemous. You are doing something anti-God. Taking the responsibility upon yourself to do that. But you don’t feel bad about it because you are separated from yourself and you see that, “If I am catching on this, that means there is an effect of something on me by which this part of the centre is suffering and I must correct it.” And you start correcting it because you feel the pain within yourself. Supposing your Agnya is catching here: means you are egoistical, you are dominating, you are non-forgiving, you are like a Hitler. But you don’t feel bad, once your Agnya is catching, it’s paining, you say, “Take it out Mother my ego is colossal. Take it out!” You don’t mind saying that. If somebody had told this to Napoleon that, “You are egoistical,” he would have killed him. If he had told this to Hitler he would have finished him off. He carried on with all his vices, all his self-destroying things with great pride but a Sahaja Yogi cannot. So he has much more chances and much, much instruments to clear himself and to make himself alright, to change himself, without feeling hurt about it, because he’s no more identified with his vices. He’s not identified with his ego so he does not mind correcting himself, his ego. He can do that very easily without conditioning him. You see, about religions, the greatest objection was that it conditions people, so they started the other side of it to decondition people. So the permissiveness and licentiousness, the other side, started. One was conditioning, the other was deconditioning. But if you cannot be conditioned what is the question of deconditioning? So, for a Sahaja Yogi, there is the power given, of loving himself, that he corrects himself, in True Love. I don’t know how much, really, we know how much we have to love ourselves. If you truly love yourself, truly love yourself, then you would like to do something of which you are really proud, within your heart. Say, giving realisation to someone, is such a joy-giving thing within yourselves. You feel so happy about it. You may do hundreds of things in this world but you won’t feel that way as you would feel when you have given realisation to someone. Because it’s a living process which you can do. But when you really understand yourself, the need of your Self, then you really love yourself very well. Otherwise you really do not know what to do to love yourself. To love yourself means - you must know that this body of yours is a special body, now, because it is emitting vibrations, it’s a temple of God so respect it. Respect your body. Don’t be vulgar about your body. We really had, like Mary Magdalene somebody in India, who came to us….(break in recording)… keep it clean, in the sense, yes I mean washing and this thing, you know that’s not the point. But even many people I have seen, are not aware that we get uncleanliness from others, like shaking hands. I mean, if there is someone, you have to shake hands, alright, if you are that much developed that you do not get unclean it’s alright. But if you are not, be careful before shaking hands. Better to say, “hello” and things. You have to be a little particular about it because I have seen people, when they shake their hands, they do receive more bad vibrations than [they] give good vibrations to others. Shaking hands or hugging others, or bringing your body to them only, the vibrations, one has to be very careful as to [see that] you do not spoil. Then this body is nurtured on food: so food also, is important that a food that is cooked by a person who is loving, good, nice, is good for this body. But if you eat a food cooked by a person who is, say, a murderer (??) , immediately your body will revolt, your stomach will revolt against it and that’s why, to keep your stomach alright, try to avoid such places which give you bad vibrations. Your digestion will be very bad if you go to places which are not good. For example, going to Soho I always feel like vomiting! Always, as soon as I go there I feel like vomiting, the whole of my stomach and I must have vomited once or twice in that area, I’m sure about it. Maybe more. But first I didn’t know it was so related, I discovered that it was in Soho that this happens. And this kind of a feeling comes up when you go to places like that. So avoid all such places of vices and things. Even if you see such pictures and all that. Not that something goes that you are not above it - you are - but I mean nobody likes filth, you know. We are above everything but we cannot sit in the filth. You are sensitive to this. As animals are not sensitive to many filths that we have around, but we are, in the same way you start getting sensitive to the filth, the inner filth, that subtler filth which we do not see, so you avoid it. Try to avoid it and you will feel much better. And you will yourself feel your priorities will change, your friends will change, your everything will change and automatically you will not like many things that people are talking about and just your interest will go away. For example, now I asked people just for one’s sake, “What about Jeremy Thorpe?” ( A homosexual British Member of Parliament accused of murder) They said, “Mother we are not reading that these days.” Normally some of you would have known the whole case so well, even better than the pleader himself. But they don’t read it now, just don’t read it. “It’s filth. It’s horrid, horrid.” It’s like that. Your tastes change, your styles change. But allow it to grow and manifest itself and accept it. Gradually it will work out. If you press on it, say you are used to the smoking, you will give up smoking, you will not like it. First you will feel like vomiting about it and all that. But still if you insist, “No, I must smoke, I must smoke,” then you can accept it (the smoking) because then you are giving chance to your ego to accept yourself. Now this is the part I’m saying about the body; now you see all the angles of it - that how we affect our body very much. Another thing is that, too much interest in food will go away, should go away. You should not be too much interested in taste and food and this and that. Also there are crazes about things: the other day I met a lady, she was very thin, I mean, and absolutely I didn’t understand and I said, “What’s the matter with you?” So she said, “Now I eat all healthy food.” I said, “How do you call it healthy?” She said, “There’s a ‘health store’ I go to and I waste my things from there and only that thing I buy.” All this is a craze! Spiritual health is very different from the so-called ‘vitaminised’ health. You see, Spiritual health is the health you get from love, the food of love. It’s different from food of so-called wrestlers bodies, the kind of thing the wrestlers eat. Food of love, we have to take it with love and give it with love and made with love, that is the food is of the highest of all. So, that’s the body part of it, we can see how to look after the body is to not to think too much about food and spontaneously, if somebody gives you something with love, you just take it. That’s how you should eat. But if anybody gives you with hatred don’t take that food. It’s better not to eat such a food than to eat a poisonous thing. It’s poisonous for Sahaja Yogis. Then another thing is to give to others also. We have to be giving to others, food especially. I don’t know how many of you bring chocolates for each other, or something like this, or something nice that you find: supposing you go somewhere and you find some nice cherries or something, then how many of you collect it and give it? Do you bring them for Sahaja Yogis? “Alright let me take it for, say in Sainsbury’s (shop), when I am there, let me take this money when I am there”. This is how you are going to have the articulation, means that you can articulate, you can communicate through this kind of love. You see, a small thing like that, you go somewhere, for Mother you do bring, I know, but for each other, something small and to find out what does he like. Now, I know Dinesh is uncomfortable because he’s a tall fellow and I have been telling him that you sit somewhere on a high thing, because I’m feeling it, I can feel it within myself because I love him and I can feel it because I know tall people have a problem, their height is too much and their centre of gravity is all the time going like that. There’s nothing wrong in it. Anybody who should sit next to him should say, “It’s alright, come along, sit down properly. Come along, sit down properly.” It’s good. And somebody who can sit on the ground should offer a seat saying that, “Come along Dinesh, you can sit here.” It should be that way. You see what I am trying to say [is] that: let’s see small, small things that are needed by others. It’s a very sweet way of living together is - let’s see what do you need. I mean, you are going, say, to Germany now so I’ll be very happy if you bring something for a friend of yours than for me - hundred times! Because that is much more nourishing for me. That’s my food, to think, “Oh, my child has been so generous, and has been so generous.” One day Gavin really gave me the very great happiness and I told him that. You see, one day he invited me to his place and he had lots of people that day and I was embarrassed. I said, “Now Gavin has invited people for dinner but how can so many people be fed? There are so many.” Of course, I knew it would be sufficient but it was just a play I should say. So I allowed about fifty percent of them to disappear and I said, “Let’s have dinner now.” So then he gave us dinner but he was a little bit unhappy. Next day he got up and he said, “Mother why did you ask half of them to go away? And then why did you ask for food so late? Because I had cooked for all of them.” And this was something so joy-giving. I didn’t mind those twenty-five going away for this joy that I got, really. Out of that same is that: how much we do for others? Small, small things, you see. And we should not be jealous in that part. Like, supposing Mia does something for, say, our doctor, then Lindsay should not be jealous of that, on the contrary he should realise that it’s nice that he has done; he should feel happy because doctor is also part of your being. Actually as I feel happy, you should be happy. From this you should know that, if it is done for others and if you see that, it’s much more joy-giving than if it is done for yourself. I tell you it’s a headache, it’s a headache sometimes if something is done for you, you get into a problem you see, “How am I to now pay it off? Oh he’s done so nice now. I must somehow or other try to pay it [back]. The same way as he is.” You feel that he has been so nice and so kind here and so sweet and , “I am not that much, I have never thought of these things how he is capable of these things.” So, this idea can come because you have seen [that] you go from one side to another, so as soon as these things happen, that will happen. And also jealousies can come. Both things should be avoided. And should really enjoy to see a friend [happy]. Why we do it everyday? You don’t know we do it everyday that way, in a very unknown way. Supposing you read a nice story and what is the story you enjoy the best? When you find two persons are loving each other without any selfishness. I mean why do we enjoy? I mean, none of us are there. The girl is not we and the boy is not we, we are something different, but we enjoy because we really enjoy that, in the universal happiness that somebody has done that for someone in that genuine way. Those, I mean, the Indians who have been reading novels and things say that there is a very great writer that we have in our country - Sarat Chandra - and if you ask them, “Which is the story that you like the best in that?” We’ll say, “There’s one ‘Rameshawar’,” is the story. And in that story it’s the beauty of the artist, of the writer is this way, is they show a sister-in-law an elder sister-in-law having great love for the small, little brother-in-law, a little one, who is a step-brother of her husband. And this little brother-in-law first of all wants to find out about his would be sister-in-law and goes and tells his brother that, “You see I must go and see the girl first of all,” as in India it’s a custom that the elders go and see the girl, “I must approve of the girl otherwise how can you marry her? I must approve of the girl,” like a grandfather, you see, just all that. Very sweetly built up the whole thing. But it comes to the climax at a point where this lady has her mother there and she’s a horrid thing and she hates this boy because the daughter loves that child. And he’s just a little boy and he has the half property and all that and he doesn’t understand, an eight year old simple boy you see. So whatever he does she tries to find faults with it. So he brings one tree of banyan, small, little tree he gets a shoot somewhere and he brings it up in the centre of the house in the courtyard and he plants it there. Of course it’s not going to live, it’s a dead stuff, but like a child he brings it and plants it there. So the climax is brought out by the artist, I must say the way it’s brought out is beautiful. So, when it is put there this old lady comes she gets very angry and throws away all the thing out. So the boy comes out in the morning time and he sees that the tree is gone, now it’s no more there. For him it’s something gone out of his life, he feels so unhappy. So he goes to his sister-in-law and she’s standing before him and he goes on the steps and he starts asking, “Why did you throw away?” She says, “I did it,” because she didn’t want the mother to be there. “Why did you do it? Why did you do it?” You see, he starts breaking his head before here, showing all his tortured being, that, “Why did you do it?” So she just takes him to her heart and she says, “Do you know why I did it?” So he says, “Why?” “Because if you put a Banyan tree in the courtyard then the death of the elder sister-in-law takes place.” He said, “Oh God! Really? Then have you thrown it permanently? Throw it away in the river! I hope it will have no effect. Put something there. Bring something just do something that it is finished off.” You see, the whole thing is so beautifully brought in. And the beauty of love between them we enjoy when we know what it is. And that’s how we should look at things when anybody does for anything. Where does the jealousy come in? Just to kill our joy, just to kill our joy. It is nice to to see this is done to others, so much beautiful. That’s why the people who have been described in the novels may not have enjoyed so much as we are enjoying them because we can see that much better and feel good. But in every day to day life we do not do it, we do no do it. For example, a step-mother-in-law, if she’s horrid or step-mother she’s horrid, she’ll go and see a picture of a step-mother and will weep there at the way the step-mother is stern, and at home she will come and again beat her own child. Human beings are like that. So try to enjoy that. You don’t know, human beings are very complicated. If I see it I don’t understand, really, why they do it that way. But when we can enjoy the novels, why not the novel is just here between the friends, between all of us? Let’s have a novel and a play among ourselves, how we do beautiful things and how we try to love. This is how we have to work out among ourselves by doing little, little things here and there and that’s how we are going to beautify ourselves. Now this joy-giving quality of enjoying others is present in you already, is awakened now through Sahaja Yoga and trying to make your life joyous. I have seen many Sahaja Yogis who say, “Mother, we have got knowledge no doubt, our attention is there, but what about the ananda, the joy?” I mean, you are killing your joy every moment! You are bent upon killing your joy every moment, what can I do about it? Those who have been able to overcome that part, then there is more possibility. On the other side of it, supposing somebody you see, who is not doing the proper thing about Sahaj Yoga say, somebody who has started drinking now, after Sahaja Yoga: Then you should go and fight it out with him. Sit down with him for day and night and fight it out with him and see to it. You just say that, “I’m going on a fast because you have taken to drinking.” Work it out! Put all the pressures that are possible under your command. Tell all the Sahaja Yogis, all of you work it out. You know, I was very happy sometimes people told me, “Mother, will you please put attention to such-and-such,” all of you put together, if they say, then I say, “They are on right stages.” “We are all fasting for such and such person,” “We are doing this for such and such people. We are working on such and such person.” And go and fight with that person, tell him on his face and do it. That something is great. This is also another way of, really, to communicate between yourselves, to think about the emancipation of others, about the awakening of others and to put them onto right stages. You will find, all of you have some sort of a problem by which you do not open out to each other. Open out to each other, talk to each other. Openly discuss it. When you will go to India, those who are coming, will see how these people are that way absolutely shameless! They will say, “Come along, this is catching, take it out! Beat me with shoes, do that. Take my shoes and keep it with them and use that for taking it out.” And they’ll say, “You beat me with shoes, go on just beat me with shoes! I am catching here, you go and beat me with shoes.” Unless and until you get after your weaknesses you cannot get rid of them. You should ask yourself, “Oh Mr., come along Mr. Sahaja Yogi, now what is your name, this is your problem, alright? So now let me take you to task!” See to your weaknesses. See to your weaknesses and the strengths of others. And build up your strength and ignore the weaknesses of others. But, if it is destroying that person, then get together, many of you, not one, many of you, and go to that person and save him. This is how it is going to work out among yourselves. Now the biggest problem of the West, because now we are dealing with the majority of the Western people, is E-G-O, absolutely simple. It’s a very simple thing and I have given you the reason why there is so much of ego and why we have been working through ego and how we have been depending on her. Now this Mr. Ego is the one which gives you ideas. It goes to such a limit of ideas giving that even people commit sin because their ego is satisfied by saying, “What do I care for this God? Who is He?” “What are these scriptures? What do I care?” So this Mr. Ego can take human beings to any limit, any limit of self-destruction and one has to be careful about it. This Mr. Ego only gives you a sense of jealousy, because it gets hurt immediately. Now in this programme, if I do not take the names of two, three people - immediately their ego will be hurt. They will think, “Why didn’t you take my name?” And ego identifies with many things, which is a very big problem also, which is such a subtle thing. Now, for example, two friends are there, so they will always club together. Then, if I say one thing to one friend he’ll say, “Mother, why don’t you say to the other friend?” They will say, “Why don’t you say this to other friend?” But not to the whole congregation but to the other friend. All the time that friend is pushed forward. He says, “Why don’t you look after this friend of mine?” Or they’ll push forward in everything, somebody whom they think must be pushed forward. And this kind of identification in someone is ego’s job. And that’s how it keeps you there. It gives you identifications, this way, that way. And you have to disentangle yourself. Know, “As far as my growth is concerned, I’m alone. There I am alone. As far as my own achievements are concerned, I am alone. I am not identified with anyone. I am identified with Truth.” But as far as the Sahaja Yoga and the whole thing, is concerned then all of us must do it together that way. We should all feel it, that way, together. So there won’t be any problem when you all live together but you will enjoy yourself. Small things like saying, “Why don’t you come to my place?” Call them over. Then you tell others like this. You are all saints. A day will come when you will be respected much more than all these kings and queens put together. You are saints and you have to behave like saints towards each other, you have to respect because you are saints and that God is in you now emitting It’s light as vibrations. Every Sahaja Yogi must respect another Sahaja Yogi. And it is a simple thing which one should know. But we do not know it so well because of the one problem - is ego. But in India people understand it because the ego is not so much developed there, that may be why. I wrote to them about a lot of people might be wanting to come to India, what about them? So everyone wrote to me, “Mother, what a great pleasure that saints are coming to our country now. To our country they are visiting. Oh we’ll be having a big festivity. We are going to have a festival of things.” And they were going to take a house in Bombay for 30,000 rupees for a month for you people, because “it should be proper, it should be comfortable.” I said, “Now, nothing doing! There will be hardly twelve people coming and you just don’t spend so much money.” They would have given you a red carpet treatment and those who have been there, you can ask them how they have treated them. “Because the saints are coming and we must serve the saints and they are saints and we must respect them.” This is the idea they have there. In the same way, you should know we have to respect each other because we are all saints. We have entered into the Kingdom of God. We have been blessed by Him and we have to understand that we are all individually dear to God and He has bestowed upon us that Light. If you do not respect each other properly Sahaja Yoga cannot work out. And not [to be] identified with anyone, like I said. I sometimes see those acrobats you have, in the air, when the aeroplanes go round; how they are keeping the distance alright, respecting each other properly, everyone. They do not collide and they do not bump into each other. In the same way, the whole thing should move. See this Universe, see how beautifully God has created it, with so many stars are moving, so many satellites are moving, and there’s no collision. And this Earth is moving with tremendous speed and we are nicely settled down here without feeling the speed or the noise of that moving mass. How beautifully the whole thing is worked out and how delicately it is all placed. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga is a tremendous Universe and that Universe you have to move with that respect and love and understanding for each other. Arrogance to each other or saying hurting things to others, or even disrespect, even showing your tongue and things, you should not do that. You are saints, you are matured people. I mean, I have seen, even in the Parliament, the way people behave towards each other is most surprising and shocking - how can they? But you are the chosen ones by God, you are all dignified just like all great sages. Behave in that manner and respect each other! And be very much thankful that you have so many like you here, with whom you can share your ideas and can talk to each other and can be kind to each other and can also be absolutely one with each other, absolutely one with each other. It is a very special position you are into. Because of this ego we really try to be very, very indignified and misidentified. This you can bring about very carefully in the house, if you can write in your rooms, “I am a realised soul.” It’s writ large on your forehead! Absolutely I can see clearly. It’s writ large in your eyes. Anybody who goes to India, say, need not tell me that they are going, Sahaja Yogis will find out who they are in no time. Even looking at a person one can say, “Yah, you see, he’s a realised soul.” It’s writ large on your faces. So identified with your Self that you are and not that what you were, it’s finished, you’ve got your Self-realisation. So all the franticness the panic, the indignity, the disturbances, all will gradually settle down now. Just shake yourself, because now that’s like the leaves on the tree which are dead now, will fall down, and the new leaves have to come out. This is a thing I wanted to talk to you about your Self and about the Sahaja Yoga, internal yoga. One is internal yoga here, and another is a yoga between all of you - is very important. Gradually you will be developing new and new dimensions and new and new visions about each other. When you will start seeing this on others, you will start seeing in yourself. Try to see good points of others and bad points of yours. But don’t condemn it (yourself) because there’s another side to this, is that this Left-Vishuddhi, is to feel guilty about it. That’s not the point. Guilty, feeling guilty is not done by a person who is in the Witness State. He doesn’t take up anything as bad because he can remove it. So you remove that and remove this and be in the centre. Just be in the centre where you receive the complete blessings. Sometimes, even if you lose vibrations, doesn’t matter. You are a realised soul and you will be a realised soul. Even if you are reborn you will be a realised soul no doubt about it. You are not going to lose it. And if anybody says anything to you [it] doesn’t matter, makes no difference, because you are a realised soul, you are above it, so let them say whatever they like. Whatever you are you are, they cannot change you. You can change them and they cannot change you. They cannot change you. So it’s something that is so much you own so why should you bother if others do not appreciate you? It doesn’t matter. But try to help them out. You are just doing it because you want to help them. If you think that way everything will be alright. And for doing it you have to be in meditation to see yourself [that’s] very important, to see yourself. And you have to try on others also, if they ask you. You should ask others to see you and watch and find out what’s the matter with you, where are we and what is happening to you. But there are now, lots of unanimous feelings among you which is surprising and good when there is an attack. This is the best part of the whole thing is that, when there is an attack, there’s a collectivity much more, in emergencies. Like there was an attack here and you felt much closer to each other. And there was quite an unanimous verdict on this that it was a horrid, horrid place we had come to. But the whole thing is transformed into a beautiful place now. Now even somebody coming here and sleeping might get his Kundalini awakened you see. You can transform. They’ll be a master, they’ll just laugh at these people like the elephant walking and the dogs barking like that, it makes no difference to the elephant, he just puts his ears just like this here (laughter). So, for the morning on this if you have any questions a little bit I don’t mind, but on this subject. Ya? Yogi: Some Sahaja Yogis have been getting colds. Now, if they are getting vibrations, should they be getting colds? And if they are getting colds, are they doing wrong things or eating wrong things? Shri Mataji: That is the ‘blessing’ of this country (laughter) that you get cold. I mean, this is also a human nature, you see. Just see the beauty of it. You see, in India, now, for example, my husband, at least, wears seven sweaters, you won’t believe it. See now, he’s (a yogi in the room) wearing a sweater which is covering his neck. Those who come from the hot country keep themselves much more protected than you people. I have always requested all of you to buy one scarf each of a very thick thing, that you should always keep your neck covered with a scarf. So, I have been requesting everybody that you bring it, I’ll vibrate it, I’ll give it to you, do that. And also you should know what it causes because of hot and cold you see. Never take anything cold after hot. Gradually you start from cold to the hot. Now, the another thing which catches Vishuddhi to begin with, is when you do not have consideration of the collectivity, in a subtler way. In a subtler way it starts like that. When you are aware of the collective being then the Vishuddhi is much better. Because of the ego problem here, also, the Vishuddhi catches because once the ego is there you are move individualistic, “I am this, I am that,” so it goes hand in hand with that. So one has to be more careful that we should keep our neck covered and use also some balm or something, just to give it some soothing thing. But, what is the best thing for your throats, is salt. You see, at this point you become the Viraat, the All-pervading, you can say, the Primordial Being. Now, pervading into everything is done through salt. Salt dissolves into all the solvent things. So salt is the thing, solution, for this. From the ocean you take out the salt which is clear cut and then you put it here. This is, also, is Viraata’s thing. Now, all these Gurus, in the stomach, have praised that Viraat, is the Akbar, is the Great Being, He’s the one here (Vishuddhi). So the salt, that they are, you have to use them here. It pleases. Salt is like the sages. You are the salt. Do you remember this? And you are the salt, all the Sahaja Yogis are the salts. And the salt is very pleasing to Shri Krishna, to your Primordial Being here. So when you take salt, in that way, is to gargle your throat, and to put a little salt if you want to here, with your fingers, with this finger is good. Use this finger for this thing. And look after that part because this is the demand of this country. We have demands of other troubles in other countries, like India is malaria, you have to protect yourself from malaria. Or maybe somewhere it is plague, I don’t know what countries even have, what sort of things. But here it is cold and catarrh and all these things are there. So a few things like that. And also inhalation and there are some things we know, very simple things, which cost nothing, is this ajwain ka dhuni, which they will tell you how to do it. All these things you must take and look after your throats. It’s very important to look after your throats. And that’s why people catch cold. But what is wrong in Sahaja Yoga is this, that you have not respected your Vishuddhi Chakra. You have to be careful. You catch from other people also so many times, so be careful as not to contact with other people. But it can be easily overcome if you develop your Witness State better and if you concentrate on your Vishuddhi Chakra. It can improved and it can be settled. What other trouble people have is liver. It’s common with people. Most of you have it because you are all the time thinking too much and the liver doesn’t get sufficient of energy so the liver is there. So, for liver also, we know what is to be done. And it’s more liver here than in India I think, yes. Extremes should be avoided, like sitting in the Sun and bathing yourself for hours together and all that is not necessary. And there’s no need to expose your body. You can cover your body and still the Sun’s rays go into you. There’s no need to expose your body. Actually the exposure of body is very dangerous for your nerves and everything, it’s very bad. You should not expose your body so much. Even in the water also, directly, you should never expose your body. You must cover your body in the water also, because water also attacks you. So exposure of body should be in a very limited space and in a very limited way. As far as possible body should not be exposed too much. It’s very dangerous because then you allow your chakras to be opened to these entities and a kind of a vulgarity walks in you. Now, this is another thing is that, in this country, people sleep without any clothes on them. I mean, this is the coldest country where people should cover up themselves and sleep. I sleep with the sweater on and everything on to be very frank, you see! Although we have the central heating on, but we all sleep like that. And here it is a very common thing that you find. And one Indian gentleman told me that’s the reason the children don’t sleep in the same room as the parents sleep. And we always had children with us because we don’t take out our clothes, we just sleep as we sleep normally. And there’s no need to be all the time in a perpetual nudity to enjoy your sleep. Or I don’t know what is the need to be nude in sleep because it’s a very bad thing is to expose yourself in the night especially because night time all these nocturnal people, all these spirits are hovering around and if they see anybody like that they might end up in them. So it’s a very dangerous thing. But this idea I think you have started very recently. Somebody must have given you ideas that to sleep without clothes is very good perhaps, which everybody starts doing that way. You see all these, also there are lots of spirits who are writing books so be careful if somebody says like that, “If you take out all your clothes you’ll behave different.” You’ll find anybody here who is all the time ?? nobody. Everybody has some sort of a ?? all the time. It’s very bad for the mind. You see the mind is never alright. Like, I would say now, I was coming and I saw a very nice church and with that all these graves, all the crosses and graves there. I said, now anybody going to the church will be possessed. But at least when you go to church there’s one thing you do is to wear a clean dress, go with a mark and all that, so that, if they see you clean and neat, then they are a little afraid to come into you. But if you go in the night without any dress there when you get in bed, you can become a booboo next morning (laughter). That’s what they do all these people, this ‘narayan’ and all that, all of them go do it there. And not only but they go to the temples where the Deities are and before them they become naked and do all kinds of dirty things and then get all the [dead] spirits to come down there because no more the God’s attention is there. And that’s how they work out with dead spirits, so it is like that. All these certain things you have to change. This is not your culture and do not insult your culture by saying, “This is our culture.” It’s absolutely nonsensical. This is not English culture, neither it is Western culture. They were all sensible people and they were never that nonsensical, the way we are now, and so we should not say this was our culture at all. I mean, this would be an insult to the culture. Only a few kings used to misbehave and everybody criticised them, nobody liked them. So, I mean that vice has become now, in democracy, everybody becomes a king as far as the vices are concerned, not in the good points. That kind of a democracy is of no use. And so, that sort of a thing it has happened but this was never your culture before. A very great, sensible people, and known for your wisdom. You know England is the Heart of the Universe and how could it be that foolish? Just think about it, it’s the Heart of the Universe, it is heart shaped also. It’s a very important thing and that’s why I am here with you. So try to respect it and respect it’s traditions. Yogi: Shri Mataji is it easier for evil spirits of bhoots to get into Sahaja Yogis? Shri Mataji: No, it is more difficult but you can feel them. You see the thing is, when you are not a Sahaja Yogi you cannot feel it. You can get possessed, you can get depressed, you can get all kinds of things, you might even become a lunatic person, you may. Whatever may happen but you won’t feel it. But as soon as you are a Sahaja Yogi you can feel it and that’s how you can guard yourselves. It is very difficult. And if you know all the methods of guarding then it’s even better. And actually Sahaja Yogis do not catch, as I said, but if you go on feeling, “I have caught, I have caught,” so you have it! Yogi: As far as I can really see that before one can really get in control of one’s body from the start one is especially vulnerable (to bhoots). is that so? Shri Mataji: No, no. You are much less vulnerable. But only you can feel it because you are sensitive. Like, if you have a pain, they may kill it with some sort of a numb effect. But when it goes out you feel it. In the same way, you are numbed before realisation, and after realisation you aren’t. And that’s what Sahaja Yogis think that, they all attack us and all that. They are literally frightened of you because you are much more powerful. It’s an idea that, “We are attacked because we are Sahaja Yogis.” (laughing) The idea is that. Nothing of the kind. On the contrary they run away, they run away. But you should be someone, in a beautiful way that they run away, they just don’t come near you. We have three of them in Rahuri and some of the possessed people they told that, “Please tell these three not to go together. Even if they have to go they can go single people. Because, after all, we have left the bodies but we have to live somewhere, and they go on their motorbikes,” so he said, “tell them not to go that fast. Give us some chance at least to get away from there.” So it’s like that! (laughing) So you are not attacked more. But they come more in your awareness you see. But there are certain ways of judging you. Like there was a girl in America, she used to run a shop of her own and what happened [was that] she was very good at remembering everything; this is this, this is this, that one is yellow coloured and this is pink colour and this price is so much and everything. She was very good. Once she got realisation she forgot all that, she couldn’t do that way. But the profits were four times [larger]. And she was surprised, with all that thing, and she used to get a headache everyday. She could not sleep with the idea that she has put this here and she should have put it there and all that. She was [now] not doing anything like that. She was just doing spontaneously, just existing, and the profits were four times. She was so amazed. Because the attention you pay to [things] is very limited and with your limited idea. But after realisation you just become a vehicle of the dynamic attention which works it out. And it’s amazing how it works, amazing. Yogi: Mother, can one be too passive about witnessing one’s realisation? (laughter) Shri Mataji: You see, passive and active comes from the way we are either in the ego, the way we are acting, whether we are acting through ego. But in Sahaja Yoga you are neither passive nor active you are just there. This is the difference here. What are you saying to me? “Am I passive” or “active”? Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: You are active? You are not. I am passively active. I am acting but I’m doing nothing but I am acting, you can say, in the same way that you have got powers to do. But if you think that you can do it just by sleeping over, that’s not the way it will work out. You have to be. Like I have told many people, “Why don’t you get up in the morning? If you do not have time in the evening to meditate, meditate in the morning” Because you have to do it. Still you are not there, that’s why you have to be active about it. First you become absolutely a Witness State, then you don’t have to do anything, you just sit down and you are in it. But still I have to travel, I have to go and meet people. I have to talk to you. I have to talk to you for hours together. Sometimes I have to sit in one place for ten hours continuously. So, I am quite active in that way. And I am also inactive because I am not doing anything, I am just watching it. If I see manifested… (end of recording)

12/18/1978

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Agnya Chakra means: To order

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“Agnya chakra”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 18 December 1978. Today we are talking about the sixth chakra called as Agnya Chakra. The ‘gya’, ‘gya’ word means ‘to know’, Agnya is to know. And ‘A’ means ‘the whole’. Agnya chakra also has another meaning. A-gya, Agnya means ‘obedience’ or ‘to order’. It can mean both the things. If you order to someone it is an Agnya and the one who obeys the order is an Agnyakari. The one who does the Agnya. This sixth chakra was created in the human beings when he started thinking. Thinking is language expressed. If we do not have a language we cannot think. But it does not mean there is no thought coming into us. If we cannot express it, it does not mean there is no thought process working in us. But at that subtle stage when the thoughts are coming to us they are not in language, so they are not communicated to us, and that’s why if we do not have language we cannot understand what we are thinking. That’s why you must have seen children cannot communicate to us what they want because they cannot say what they are wanting. They feel the urge in the stomach and they want to ask for, say, water or something, but they can’t say it to us, and that’s why they cannot think what they have to say about. But afterwards when you start thinking and putting it into language, that language is stored in our brain as shown in the picture on the left hand side and also on the right hand side of that yellow and black, then it comes back to us, later on as, thought waves. As if somebody is talking to us. But before the language starts, we can call it the inspiration or the thought process, at the very early stage, comes to us in certain forms, and those forms are in light and shade. They are not in language but in light and shade. And after coming to Sahaja Yoga if you go deep into your thoughts you’ll find they are nothing but lights and shade that are covering our Agnya chakra. One after another a light and shade, like a circular lighthouse, they give a kind of a pattern in our head. Now these patterns are moulded into language by us at a very early stage and these are sort of filled into the cups of language and then these cups are kept reserved in the brain and they come to us that way. When we think we really understand because it’s a language that comes to us. So what happens to the animals? Do they think or not? They get a thought, an inspiration but they won’t be just thinking about it. Now, these inspirations come to them as words when they start living with human beings. So these inspirations go into the thought again as we do. For example you give somebody a name, say you call him say Tom, or something – you call a dog – so now he knows that this word means ‘calling me’. So he connects himself with that word. But when he does not have the word, when he’s just an animal, he’s just there, he doesn’t think. That’s why they are very spontaneous and we are not. Animals are extremely spontaneous that cause they do not think the way we think. And this has created the greatest problem for human beings: how to get beyond thoughts. It’s a little complicated thing because perhaps I can see that very clearly, as you cannot see the light. And then the light forms the language, and then language, according to us, becomes our thoughts. But these thoughts are really conditionings on us and they are not inspired things. They are not coming from inside and that’s why we are not spontaneous. For example if I am sitting here, now I cannot keep quiet as a human being. I’ll be thinking about something. I’ll be thinking, “What am I going to say?” Then “Should I say this or not?” “What if I say this, will that be alright or not?” “Will that go to their heads or not?” All sorts of thoughts will be coming into My head. Then from one side I will be questioning myself. From the other side the answers will be coming, “Alright you say this and if you say like this they may appreciate you. Go this way that way they will understand.” Like that you see. So the sorting out goes on in our brain through our experiences of this lifetime of ours. Whatever have been our experiences in this lifetime in dealing with people in getting experiences from others: all these are conditioned into our brain and the whole thing becomes a thought process, which comes to us through this interaction of thought and action, action and thought, which just starts waves – which action to take, what thought to be put in, how to solve it and we think we are analysing ourselves. It’s a very superficial thing. Actually you do not analyse anything whatsoever, you do not. As I told you the other day you do not do anything. So your thinking is nothing but a bubbling going on. Because when, like a sea even, which is, so deep down, so quiet – when it touches the shore it has a action and reaction. In the same way when you are seeing at something, because your attention is outside, immediately a thought wave is created out of that, which goes back and gives you all the images about it, whatever you know about that particular thing and it comes back to you as thought process. It’s going on all the time, and it can be so maddening that we cannot stop our thoughts: it just goes on like mad. You don’t know, you can’t sleep because thoughts are coming. Sometimes they could be horrifying, sometimes they are gratifying, sometimes romantic, sometimes absolutely negative, sometimes very positive. Sometimes you feel “I must do this,” sometimes you feel “I shouldn’t do this”. But when you [are] actually doing – you do not think. It’s surprising, we never notice that when we are doing that particular thing, supposing I say I am going to speak, these things. Now when I’ve thought about it that I thought say about 10 minutes before when I’m speaking it, I am not thinking that what I was going to speak. Because that time I think I’ve built in that process of thinking into my brain and put it somewhere stored and then, now, when I have started this talk, that is coming direct to me. So human beings have developed, I should say a process, which can be a very sickening thing, very, very sickening. And this comes out of both of these. Is one the left side that we call the ego, which has gone this side, and the right side we call the superego. All the conditioning on the right hand side of the superego, is, gives us, the fears, the dangers, the possibilities. Whatever we have experienced before. As they say those who have been burnt by milk also [will] take a cold drink after blowing it a little. Because you have been burnt you know something liquid has burnt you so you think this may also burn your tongue. So you may try to do that. It is so spontaneous that time that you feel that, “Oh it is very spontaneous”, but it is not. It has been stored before in your experiences and something there that you are afraid of and that’s why you do it. If we, once, realise that this thought process is absolutely not necessary for us to exist. There is no need to have any thought about the future or about the past if you want to exist as human beings. Animals do not bother. For example animals know that they are going in a jungle. Now suddenly they find some other animal coming from there and they know that you go there. Now what’s the use of thinking about the animal that is going to come? Supposing it does not come then it’s such a waste. But they have a hole here and they no problem as we have because have a hole the whole thing goes out. It doesn’t stick for more than a minute here. But you can condition them also. By experiences they are conditioned. By experiences that they have had so far, about other animals and things, they are conditioned. And they act accordingly. So there’s a tremendous difference between us and them is that we think about everything. I mean, we think it is a very great thing to sit down and think about it. And we think it is very wise to sit down and think about it. Any problem comes in you think, “Better sit down and think about it.” But now what do we do when a problem arrives? We think about it in relation to whatever we have been doing before and whatever our experiences have been. In the same way they want to think about Sahaja Yoga. Now you cannot think about Sahaja Yoga. First of all you become thoughtlessly aware in Sahaja Yoga to begin with. You cannot think. But it is a happening about which you cannot think. It is a living happening, thinking is a dead movement, it is not a living movement. Whatever [is] dead in us comes back to us as thought. Inspiration is living, not the thinking. Inspiration is very different from the thought. For example, books are in the library, everything that we have thought of or have got it or experienced – this is in the books. Whatever is new coming to us is the inspiration. Now just find out how many new things you are thinking, perhaps not even a sentence. Mostly you say that “This gentleman said so,” “That gentleman said so,” “That gentleman said so”, or “I said so”. If you can think about that is coming just now into you, you don’t have to think for it, it just comes out, it is inside you, it just emerges and expresses itself. So that is the spontaneous living thing. That is what we call as inspiration: is a sudden glimpse of the knowledge that we get. But whatever we have [been] thinking about is all the play of the dead. So this is a centre of Christ. He resides in the centre of Agnya, and He is, in the Devi Purana if you read, was born long, long time before, was created much earlier and how He developed into Mahavishnu also you can read it for yourself because it’s a big chapter and I wish you all could know and read about it and find out how He developed into Mahavishnu. It is very interesting. Because all these things were written in Sanskrit language, we should not say that Mahavishnu was not in the Bible, because Bible itself was not written at a stretch by one person. So that part is a part of Christ’s creation before He came on this Earth as Christ. Actually Christians do not know anything about His becoming: how He became Christ or what was the need to have Christ or a son to come down [and] why not God Himself could do the job. And this is the reason why I would request you to read for yourself the incarnation of Mahavishnu by which you realise why Christ was born. And it is the most important incarnation because He is the principle, He is the principle of creation, the tattwa, as they call it in Sanskrit language, He is the tattwa. Ganesha, though resides in the Mooladhara gradually evolves to be Christ at this stage. From that red chakra up to this chakra He becomes Christ. He is the principle. Now what is the principle? Within us what is our principle? Is, say, the Kundalini you can say. In this (microphone) the electricity is the principle of this one is. In the same way the creation, the whole creation if you take it as such, it is the principle and the support of this creation. He represents the essence, the essence of creation. Like we can say we have a family, husband and wife and the child. Now the child is the essence of husband and wife, he’s the essence of the family, of the house. The whole thing is sustained for him, is created for him. Till they did not have the child there was no meaning to that house, no meaning to their life. But when they had a child then they had a meaning. In the same way, Christ is the essence, is the tattwa itself. He’s the Omkara as they call it. He is the first sound, first sound that was created – Om – when the Primordial Father and Primordial Mother separated, They created this sound. And He is that sound which is filled into All-Pervading Power and looks after and supports. Actually it is more the support because looking after is done by the Father you can say or by the Mother. But is the support of all the Universe. And because He is just the essence, the essence never dies. Say My essence is My Spirit, it will never die. The body dies or the creation will die but the essence has to be there. If the essence is lost then nothing could be there. That’s why He’s the most important incarnation, because He is the support. Now this incarnation is placed in this Agnya chakra of ours, here in the centre, where the optic nerve or optic thalamus cross each other like this. In the centre is a very subtle point which moves both the sides like this and like that and it creates two sounds ‘hum’ ‘kshum’, ‘hum’ ‘kshum’, ‘hum’ ‘kshum’. ‘Hum’ is on the right hand side where you have seen the superego is there and ‘kshum’ is on the left hand side where the ego is. Now these two sounds create two kinds of vibrations. The ‘hum’ sound creates the vibrations, which make you think, “I am, I am” ‘hum’, ‘I am.’ This comes from our existence power that we know we have to live in this world, we’re not going to die. Any human being who tries to kill himself is abnormal. Normally every human being…why every animal or any living thing tries to retain its life? That is through this power of ‘hum’, that – ‘I am’. Now the superego on the left hand side and ego on the right hand side is kshum’. But now I’ll tell you about the right hand side – superego. In this superego when you are conditioned by so many things, then you are frightened and you are worried because these experiences make you that type of a person which has fear in the mind. And this fear is all settled in your superego. This starts from your amoeba stage you can say and is, still today, is being stored there. You are afraid of police, you are afraid of that, you are afraid of this. Some people are not afraid of these things but are afraid of something else, because whatever have been your conditions, whatever have been your experiences, are all put down here. Moreover when somebody reads the book of Dracula now he’s afraid of the word Dracula but the children who do not read they do not know what is a Dracula is. If you say Dracula has come they say, “Alright, lets have a look at him!” But those children [who] have read about Dracula, they are literally frightened and they say, “Oh God, Dracula is coming, something terrible is going to happen!” So, whatever you have read, whatever you have gone through whatever experiences you have had – all is in the superego. So this superego in that, this centre, sends [this] message, “I am, you are, you are”, ‘hum’, ‘hum’ : “don’t be afraid, don’t be afraid”, “you are”. So the people who come to Me, and you have seen some people who come to Me are victims of superego conditioning. And these are the people…actually at this stage only, you can really discriminate between the two types: one who are very aggressive, the other who are absolutely we should say subordinated, frightened. These people when they come to Me, I have seen, they go on crying and weeping, “Mother you know this has happened that has happened,” and I really get tired talking to them. And there are so many of this kind that really you have to pay attention to them as sahaja yogis because you’ll have to deal with them, how to manage them and how to work it out. Now at that time if a sahaja yogi says, now you go on saying ‘hum’, ‘hum’, ‘hum’, ‘hum’, a sahaja yogi, if he says [that], then the vibrations will drive out his fear. Even if you are under any fear and you are walking around and you feel that there’s frightened, you just say ‘hum’, ‘hum’, ‘hum’. Now with this saying the vibrations will clear out this side very nicely. Apart from that, that is the way you can get help from the Divine by saying ‘hum’. Now there are many things about hum and kshum but as the time is you know, so I do not want to go into great details about it. But I would say the mantra for the right hand side is ‘hum’ and for the left hand side is ‘kshum’. The right hand side is the ego, which is real problem, you understand that! Is a real colossal one you have to face them, I mean, [if] I say anything small here and there I find the whole thing coming up onto my head like that. So what is the solution for a colossal ego? Colossal ego can only be conquered by forgiving others. Those who have ego must learn, if they feel hurt they must say, “forgive.” Then another person hurts them, say, “forgive.” And not only forgive but ask for forgiveness. Both things should be done, more asking for forgiveness. You have to ask for forgiveness if you have too much of ego. It is very important. Because if you have too much of ego means what? That you have pampered it too much. That means you have used it too much. You have dominated people and that’s why you have such a lot of ego. If you have such a lot of ego you must all the time try to humble down in your heart. Now in the heart resides the Spirit. The ego, too much of ego in a person, always takes you away from that Spirit. That’s why it is said, “Humble down in your heart.” The reason is, in the heart resides that part of yours which gets completely obliterated or forgotten once you start pumping up your ego. But ego has its limits, it ends up into stupidity and foolishness. You take any person who is egoistical and who’s blowing his own trumpet, you will immediately know because he’ll be stupid, without understanding what he’s doing, he’ll be doing such stupid things that you will start wondering, especially children, “What’s the matter with this fellow? Seems quite funny!” And then the stupidity faces the person – then he sees for himself, “Oh God! how did I become so stupid?” But stupidity comes to you because you forget the existence of God and your relationship with the Whole. You think, “I am on my own. Why should I not do this? What is wrong in this, what is wrong in that? I should do these things.” I mean in this country the way people are fighting for things, I mean, you must, anybody, I mean, those so-called developing countries can’t understand: what’s this kind of a thing happening to these people? Because the other day My son-in-law Luv was reading an article that people are demanding now that a son-in-law should be allowed to marry the mother-in-law (laughing) , and he just couldn’t understand how can people gather together and ask for such an absurd thing like that. She is your mother. How can you say that way? I mean it is something an impossibility for people, normal people to think like that, that a son-in-law can marry the mother-in-law. And what is there to make a law about it and to talk about it. It’s a very difficult thing. All kinds of stupid things we are doing in this country, which really makes everybody roar with laughter. Is because of our Mr. Ego companionship. It is not easy to understand how he befools us. It goes on befooling us all the time and then we think “what’s wrong?” An eighty-year-old man running after a twenty-year-old girl. And the twenty-year-old girl befooling this eighty-year-old man, supposed to be a statesman this, that and his statue is erected somewhere there. How is it possible? It is only the ego makes you do all these nonsensical and stupid things. Once you are in Sahaja Yoga, you don’t know how to control your laughter sometimes, the way people are foolish, extremely foolish. And this is what it is; it ends up in stupidity absolute stupidity. I mean even if you want to write a novel you won’t get such beautiful characters as you could around you, when you listen to them. And you’re shocked, “Oh God what’s this going on!” And very embarrassing too, extremely embarrassing. And they become so foolish with their ego that one cannot understand how thinking man, because by thinking you get your ego, becomes foolish. There is no wisdom in a person whose ego is completely developed like that. If somebody has an ego like that there is no wisdom in him. You can see that he does not know what is wisdom. He behaves in such an immature way. He may be an elderly man, great grandfather of somebody but as soon as he opens his mouth you are shocked at him. You think from where this joker has come? The maturity is completely lacking. The other day somebody told Me that, “Mother how is it our parents are so stupid and we are searching God? And the elderly people are so foolish and we are searching God?” And then I said, “No, maybe because of war the parents are disturbed. Most of the parents were disturbed during war” and they said, “Majority of them are like this. And the younger people are searching God and much wiser and we don’t know how to compromise with them because they are not searching God. Why is it they are not searching God and we are searching God? And if there are some searching, they are very few.” Now I said this may be due to war but somebody said, “Then what about America? You see, in America the people didn’t face war so much,” the stupidity that they have is sometimes surprising. That is the same thing as I said, is the development of ego in a human being. Now ego is the thing that makes you think about everything. For example, now we have to, say go from here to Birmingham, alright. So we think now, “how will I go?” Simple way is that I’ll take a train or I’ll take a car and go away. If there’s no reservation needed, I will just jump into the train or go by the car. If the car is available, I’ll go by car or by train finished! What is there to think about? But “No! Then we must plan it out, I have programmed! Now, I have to go!” You go to the station and find the train is not there because there was some accident so the train is not moving. So you’re absolutely upset because you think that “The train has gone now what to do.?” In that upsetting you do not even remember that you have a car and you have to go by the car now. That whole thing upsets you because you had plans to go by train and you had planned everything, now you cannot reach there and what will happen? Now you are sitting here and worrying about it. As a person who is spontaneous what will he do? “Alright depends on, I may go by train or by car whatever I feel like at that time.” He’s sitting tight. So he goes to the train, sees if the train is there. If it is, nicely there’s a space available, he gets into it. If the train is not available, alright, he comes home takes his car and goes away. So now you have informed the people that you must meet at such and such a place – that also is there,. So those people are running up, down there – and they will be there at the station. Now what’s the matter? Even if they’re at the station you can meet them at the station. You go by train and you can meet them. What is there to be that much upset about it? You see you can always contact them. But the way we get upset we have spoiled the complete program of going to Birmingham, which is a very beautiful program that we have got. We have to meet new people, we have to meet many people, we have to enjoy ourselves. That’s all finished! Because we had planned something and it did not work out, we are finished! All these things make us a miserable person. And we are so miserable and so grudging and so boring that those who are next to you just get fed up with it and they say, “Now shut up! If you are not going to Birmingham, if you are not going don’t go. But don’t eat my head now!” is a common experience of many. It’s this Mr. Ego he’s so, he doesn’t want you to be happy. He doesn’t want you to be relaxed. He all the time gives you ideas and tells you, “Do this and do that and you must get it done and this is to be done. You had better inform that person, be meticulous about it,” and it will go to such details that anything fails you are finished because your nerves are already finished and shattered. Anything, even a drop of inconvenience comes into you or even a feather of disturbance is there, you are finished. And so everybody is rattling, “We have tensions. We have problems.” Why? What is the advantage of doing all these things? No advantage you know that. But then why do you do it? Because you have a big ego, it won’t allow you to rest. Whatever you may try it won’t. So what is the solution of that? Morning till evening ask for forgiveness from God. Pull your ears from both the sides and say, “Oh God, forgive me. Oh God, forgive me. And, oh God forgive me,” so this balloon of ego goes down a little. Remember Him morning, evening, every time. Remembering Christ brings down your ego very much. He did everything that was possible that you should not develop your ego. Everything that was possible. He was born as an ordinary carpenter’s son, lived in the most ordinary conditions, kept Himself behind the whole scene. He could have been born as a Roman Emperor. He could have been anybody there. But no He was born Himself. You know that He took his birth in a place where even ordinary people do not take their births. But, there also the light was there. Wherever He was born there was light and joy. And this is the thing we have to know, that we have lost the joy because we have forgotten God Almighty. When we forget Him, that He is love and He is joy, naturally joy is also forgotten. And then we see people are not at all happy; they have affluence, they have money, they have everything, but still they are not happy. All the time they are in such a mess that you don’t know how to talk to them. If you say this word they’ll be angry, if you say that word they’ll be angry. They are not at all normal human beings, they are sick people. Sick with their ego. Is a very simple thing is to ask for forgiveness, but how many times do we do that? Not even once a day, not even once a month, not even once a year. Even on a Christmas day if we could say, “Forgive us Oh Lord for whatever we have done so far.” It will work out. But that day we must champagne to forgive Him more. So we must have gossips and we must have all the arrogant things by the time it is the end of Christmas. This ego, yellow side one, is the one that presses your superego too much. It does. It presses it so much sometimes that a person forgets that others are hurt by what they talk. On the contrary they devise methods how to say things which are cutting, which are hurting, which are painful to others. They say such things, I mean all the time if you see, a person say from a village if he comes and sees he’ll think, are they quarrelling, what are they doing? I mean the whole discussion, even in the parliament, I was surprised the way they talked to each other, no bull will treat another bull that way! Even a dog normally does not bark at another dog. No animal in the world all the time is barking at its fellow man. No animal in the whole world I can tell you this much. Only the human beings if two people are there all the time they are going, “ha ha ha ha” all the time, that way. How is it possible? His ego and her ego or maybe both his ego are dashing at each other. And there is a kind of a funny type of feeling that “Oh I have mastered the thing, I have got the thing, I have got the point. I have proved the point!” But in that I have lost everything that was so beautiful and so much joy giving within me. Actually a sensible person would recede from the place where two people are having an argument. Argument is a sign of tomfoolery. I haven’t seen any argument coming to any end whatsoever. If it is then it is alright, but it never does come. Because, if say, you ask Me questions I answer you, alright. If you do not like the answer give it up. But if you argue with Me still and I argue with you where will you end? Argument is not going to lead you to any knowledge but a very terrible ego developing into you. The whole modern concept is ego-oriented. All western countries are ego-orientated. They want to develop your ego and pamper it. There are so many other ways by which they do. Why I’m talking more about it [is] because we are all supposed to be western people and affluent people. Supposed to be very wise and leading or misleading, I don’t know, the developing countries. So we have to understand ourselves where are we as far as our understanding of things are concerned. How ego is pampered within us is by a large-scale method. They work on your ego throughout to have all these so-called enterprises. For example to a woman they’ll say, “Oh you must have a waist like this and you must have a face like this and you must have…” For a man, “You must this kind of a body. You should be Mr. Universe or you should be something,” so the man starts working on it, immediately. You must. There so many people I have seen running on the roads in this cold, I don’t understand. Like mad, you know, and some of them are Members of Parliament! The whole night they keep awake and the whole day they are running about. I say – what are you doing? What is the need to do this? “To keep good health, you must do it.” To keep good health don’t work like mad, be a sensible and a wise person. Wisdom is to be sought to keep good health, to be alright and not this kind of mad ego-orientated things. So then, the one way is to excite your ego about your physique. Then there is ego about, you must have a big car. You see, people try to show off their possessions. You have a big car, then they’re going about. I mean they really look, to Me, like jokers. That’s all they are. I mean, car I can understand is a convenience and a good quality car, if somebody can afford, should have it, because it is a headache to have a bad car. So, it’s alright. But by having a car you become something great. You may not have food in the house but you must have a very good car to go about. And all these ideas come. Then they will advertise – “This will be a very good car for you.” What is it for you? It is nothing but to pamper your ego. All these advertisements are nothing but by which your ego is pampered. All these things they are created. Now in America, if you go, every handle has to be different, everything has to be different. Why so much difference in everything? Why do you want to have everything so different? Is it some aesthetics, you think in that? It is none of the aesthetics but is just to pamper your ego. Even the so-called art connoisseurs are nothing but ego-pamperers. Your stamp collections, this, that – all this is nothing but ego pampering. And what a waste of time, you just think about it. This ego thing comes into us because we are, first of all, as I said, that, in the West, the living was very difficult, they had to fight the nature. And when you have to fight the nature you have to develop your ego to fight it. Or actually, when you are fighting the nature, the ego develops within you. And then, once that momentum has started in you, it is very difficult to bring it down. It is such a terrible disease that people have taken it for granted that that’s a part of their lives. You are not your ego. You are not. When I say that you must surrender yourself to God they say “Mother why should we surrender?” ‘Yourself’ means that ego with which you are identified. I don’t say that you surrender your wisdom. Or I can say: surrender your ego to your wisdom. But it is so difficult to give it up, because we have learnt to live with it, identified with it. We just cannot think of life without our ego, we just cannot. And it is gone to such an extent that we don’t even realise how far we have gone in cruelty. Like, “I like this kind, I like that kind.” You go to somebody’s house and you say like this: is indecent to talk like that. It is vulgar to express, “I like…” Who are you? Are you God? “I want this. I want that. I am very particular about this. I am very…” Who are you? Just ask yourself a question, “Who am I? I am the Spirit. I am that eternal being. Have I become that?” On the contrary we are hurting everybody’s Spirit by our ego. Every moment, when we talk to others, we are hurting them. Actually, people have lost faith in God, because those who are in charge of God are so arrogant and so egoistical that it has become impossible for anybody to think of God, which is beyond your ego. You’ll be surprised, ego is absolutely superficial like a bubble. It is just like a balloon, which can burst just like that! And it should go. It should go so that you should rise. It should disappear so that your attention rises in your Spirit and that you see the whole world as a part of that Spirit that you are. This is the boundary, which you have to cross and for that we have to take help from Christ. Christ crucified himself. Why? Because what did He do? Did He loot people? Today you have thousands of these thugs coming here and looting you: nobody crucifies them. What did He do? He just challenged the ego of these Romans and of these Jews, those who were angry with Him, and that’s why He was crucified. And we have to crucify our ego now through His cross, otherwise we are going to do the same again to ourselves that, in our own being, we crucify our Christ by our ego. It is a very symbolic death of Christ. His birth in the most humble place, in a very humble place. He is born in the optic thalamus, you can say: is the place where there brain, all activities coming and, all the, all sorts of problems there, facing you, and there He lives. And you have to just awaken Him there so that your ego is crucified once for all. But I don’t say, “You fight your ego,” because it is not that important to fight. You are fighting with your shadow. You have shadow, which is called as ego: Which is not to be fought and to waste your energy on him. There’s no need to fight him. Only thing [is], if you stand in the centre of the light – you don’t see any shadow. It is so simple as that. If you stand in the centre of light that is Christ, you don’t see any shadow anywhere. But when I say this, I may sound like other people who give sermons, “Stand in the shadow of Christ” or “Stand in the light of Christ.” Now what does that mean? Where is that light, where is that place where you should stand? And that place is here in the centre of your optic thalamus where there is no thought. You have to stand in thoughtless awareness. Many people who have had a problem with Agnya, many people who have come… (interruption in talk) …thoughts will stop and they will be beyond thought. And this a very, very important chakra for sahaja yogis because when the Kundalini rises above, above the Agnya chakra – immediately there is no thought. You do not get any thoughts from ego or superego. But there is a wobbling in the Agnya because of your imbalanced ways. And the imbalanced ways are, that sometimes you are with ego or with superego. This has happened to our people in the West because we have had so much of ego [that] we got really tired of it. We got frightened with it. Then we started taking to drugs and things to increase our superego. But by doing that, what we are doing is pushing by one end bringing by another end and that’s how we are wobbling our ego and superego, by which we are not helping ourselves at all. So what one has to do is to rise within oneself up to the point of Agnya and try to steady your Agnya. There are many people have asked Me one question: “How to steady the Agnya?” Agnya is placed at the crossing point of our nerves and also optic thalamus. Now, so it is said that, if you have wobbling eyes, you’ll have a wobbling Agnya. You have to steady your eyes, you have to soothe them. Now it is very, very out of date, ancient, old and all sorts of names that you call it, to a thing like that, but you must steady your eyes and steady them in such a way that it is very soothing for the eyes. [That] which is the most soothing thing for the eyes is the green grass. If you could see the green grass with your eyes, means you walk with your eyes on the ground, your eyes will be soothed, your Agnya will be alright. That’s why Christ said that, “I tell you about the adulterous eyes”. He talked about adulterous eyes. The eyes with which you do adultery. Is a very common thing these days. Every woman, a man must see; every man, a woman must see. As if it is the most important job, if you have not seen one woman you are finished! I mean this is being modern. But I am an old fashioned lady, and, as at the time of Christ, He said, “You should not have adulterous eyes.” And the ones who have adulterous eyes are, no more than any other, but our Western Christians, who all the time, even in the church, even when they’re giving sermons, their eyes are moving with adultery. These eyes have to be very, very pure, very, very deep and very, very loving when you want to have your Agnya alright, because you receive through your eyes. Say, if you have closed your eyes, you do not put your attention to anything because your eyes are closed, you are not adding more thoughts to yourself. But if your eyes are open you are adding much more thoughts because everywhere the eyes go, the attention goes, and you see things and create thoughts and put in them. So your attention which has to go to the Spirit, which has to go to God, which has to shine through the window of Divine: this beautiful thing is ruined by the way we use our eyes and we do not respect it. There’s nothing so pure and beautiful as the grass on the ground or the ground itself, which takes our feet, which supports us, which looks after us, enriches us. We should put our eyes on the Mother Earth instead of looking at every person. But from Sahaja Yoga point of view, now many of you know what happens to your eyes when you look at somebody: maybe an entity might enter your eyes. And it is, you’ll be amazed, that it is the play of the entity what we call this so-called flirting is. I have talked about it, before also, and people didn’t like it when I told them about it, but I have seen actual entities entering from eyes to eyes. I have seen very simple people who come down to such places, say in a party. In a party, people are just exchanging entities from one eye to another. Once it goes to another person, he puts his entity into another person, and that goes into another person. All the time your attention is diverted and you feel it is attracted towards something, you do not know why it is attracted. Now the certain symbols are also made like that. To add up to the problems, all the society is working at it – that you should appear in such a way that every man should look at you, every woman should look at you. Why? What is the use? Supposing I look at you what do I get? What do I get by looking at a person? What is the advantage? Just looking at a person? We are wasting such a lot of energy for what? In the same way if you are walking on the roads, on, say, some, we are seeing some beautiful things, alright. If you have to buy something, alright go ahead, see those things, whatever you have to select is alright. But all the time just because your eyes are such, you are just doing it and you do not know the reason why you are doing like this, all the time why your eyes are wobbling. And that is a sure and certain sign for a person to become mad. Absolutely, that’s a sure and certain sign is, when a person is mad how do you make it out that a person is lunatic? If you see his eyes the iris in the eyes are all the time wobbling, they cannot keep it steady. Or [if] they are sick they’re also, you can see that these eyes are all the time wobbling, there is no steadiness. Not only this but you have seen those people who have come in the Sahaja Yoga when they close their eyes they find their eyes are flickering. Their eyelids are flickering. That means there’s some sort of a disturbance in the Kundalini rising. Whole tension if you call it as hundred then at least 80% of it comes through our eyes. Then how important it is to protect our eyes from all kind of useless activities we are doing. Christ – Christ’s life shows so many aspects of how to respect others. But one of them which has been very much misused throughout is that of the prostitute. He saved the prostitute, He saved her no doubt. But you spoil the prostitutes. A good woman you make her into prostitutes. You give her ideas by which she becomes a prostitute. A good hussif (housewife) is turned into a prostitute by an egotistical man. Young small girls who are virgins are being destroyed by your dirty glances. Do you realise this? That you are doing just the opposite what Christ had done? And you say that He saved, Christ, so even if we are prostitutes, He’ll save us. But why be prostitutes? This is such a stupid style of thinking. That we should become prostitutes so that Christ will save us. One has to think about all these things in the proper light of Sahaja Yoga. Unless and until you are realised, My talk is just useless for you. But once you are realised, you will know that, if you glance at someone, you might suddenly get a headache at the back, you might feel a dart has gone into your head or something has happened, you might feel that you’re blinding with somebody’s face and you will get all kinds of experiences by which you will know how important are your eyes. All your nervousness and everything can be cured if you have pure eyes. But it is such a vicious circle that, through your eyes, you gather all the bad, and is accumulated in the Agnya and you have to clear the Agnya to make the eyes clear. It’s a vicious circle. But it can start at a point as I said, we have to ask for forgiveness. Secondly we have to bring Christ in our Agnya chakra. Thirdly we have to give up all drugs and all intoxicants and all smoking. That happens automatically when you are a sahaja yogi, it will work out. But eyes express the whole of your being, your brain, your body, your limbs everything. And if your Agnya is alright then your eyes are perfectly alright. They emit nothing but love wherever they glance. Only with a glance of your eyes you can raise the Kundalini. Only with the glance of your eyes you can cure people. Only with your glance you can bring joy into the destroyed and the ruined people. So these eyes which you see are the windows of your being, of your heart. When the Spirit is expressed through your eyes, you must have noticed yourself that, when the Kundalini rises then the eyes become dilated. And a realised soul has got black eyes because they have these eyes are dilated. At least when I see them they are all dilated black eyes. Apart from that, a realised soul can be made out by his eyes which are sparkling, there’s a sparkle like diamonds; they sparkle all the time and you can make out from the eyes that this person is a realised soul. There’s a tremendous difference between a non-realised soul’s eyes and the realised soul’s eyes. So you can imagine how your Spirit sees through your eyes, but if the eyes are not pure It doesn’t stay there long. So if we have to understand Christ, physically, we have to respect our eyes, mentally, we have to give up all that is impure in our mind. Now, so we come to the impurities of the mind: And the impurities of mind are, I mean, there are so many poisons, you know, about. I mean there are books and books written about the poisons. And the psychologists are supposed to take out all your poisons. I don’t know if they can do it at all. But they have the worst Agnya. All these psychologists have the worst Agnya and I don’t think they are capable of really giving any relief to people who are suffering mentally. Mental sufferings are of two types. Say the same thing is that one is…vibrations are so much…One type of mental troubles are where people oppress you very much – you go on bearing the cross! Now this is a very wrong idea people have about Christ. Bearing the cross doesn’t mean that, anybody who tries to oppress, you should go on taking the enslavement upon yourself. You’re not to enslave to anyone whatsoever. Anybody who tries to make a slave out of you, you should deny it absolutely! You should say ‘hum’, ‘I am’, “Who are you to dominate me?” Anyone whether you are of a black skin, or a red skin or a yellow skin, nobody has right to dominate anyone in this whole world, and if anybody is doing it, “Oh what to do now, after all we are poor people, or we are like this or he’s supporting,” and all that: then they are running away from their duty towards themselves. Such people cannot get Realisation. Slaves are not going to become kings. So the slavery that is supposed to be confused with bearing the cross is another confusion of modern times. We have to rise in our self-respect and we have to understand that no one in this world has a right to dominate us. But then what is bearing of the cross is? First of all the people of His level never suffer. It’s just a joke going on. It’s a leela, it’s a play going on for them. They never suffer, and even if they so-called act as suffering, they just do it because they want to do it. They are not helpless people, they are not slaves. And those who think that by bearing it up and by suffering it we are becoming Christians, they should know they are psychological cases. And if they are crying and weeping and all the time saying, “What to do? I am in love and my lover tortures me.” You are neither in love neither you have a lover. It is a kind of a psychological clubbing. That he is a dominating man and you like his domination, that’s why you are together, is a simple fact. So every human being has his own self-respect. And he must respect his self that is the Spirit within him. And nothing should dominate it. Whether you belong to this country or that country, or this ‘ism’ or that ‘ism’. All this will break down. Under the rule of God nobody has the right to dominate anybody’s Spirit. But when you are given freedom, you go to the other side that is Mr. Ego. You do not know how to use your freedom, so you try to dominate others. Your freedom is [making] everybody’s freedom is in danger. You are on top of everyone, and torturing everybody’s souls. And you are dominating by land and by properties or by possessions. So either this way or that way, mentally if you are of this category or that category, you are against yourself. Just be in the centre and see for yourself. Just be looking at it. Are you emitting love towards another person? If you are a slave, how can you love? You cannot. If you are ‘free’ and abandoned, how can you love? Love has its own bondages, very sweet and beautiful. You have to live with them. You enjoy those bondages. For a little child will come to your house and he will spoil your house, no doubt, and that he should do, and you should enjoy that spoiling. Then your freedom, if it is challenged by a little child’s crying, then you are not wise people. This is abandonment! Or I would say it is loneliness, it is cutting out from the Primordial, from the Big One, from the large one that you are: is not to be able to tolerate the freedom of others. A child has no freedom to cry in the house? What sort of freedom you conceive of? A mother has no right to say something she wants to say about her child? Which is her duty to tell him what is right and wrong. If the son does not have [the] right to eat whatever he likes in his own mother’s family then what sort of freedom do you have? It’s such a confusion of things. So this kind of freedom is just the opposite and extreme of enslavement. But in the centre is love where you are bound by everyone. I am bound by My children; yes, I am, I am proud of them. They bound Me and I bound them too. It’s a mutual bounding which we enjoy among ourselves. There is such a give and take when there is such a bondage of love. But do we understand the importance of bondage of love? At the slightest pretext we break it. Say a wife says, “I would like to go out today”. The husband has said “Why? I am very tired don’t you understand?” Or if the husband says, “I feel like eating something,” or some particular thing, he says pancake or something, a small thing. “Oh I am very tired every time you are demand…” If she could just think [that], by making that little thing, he would be so very happy. She should be dying to know what he wants. And he should be dying to do what she wants. And then enjoy each other’s company or you are wasting all your properties that you have as human beings. You don’t know how much you are wasting from each other. Every moment is filled with such beautiful bondages, where exchanges are there. What have you gained? The way you are fighting, the way you are going about: what have you gained let me see? When you die you have to announce in the paper that “XYZ is dead” and you find there is nobody. And you have even to pay for people to visit you when you die. This is the case today. Such dryness, such emptiness, such loneliness exists. What have you achieved through this? So this bondage we have to [have]. And there is no question of sacrifice, the way we must sacrifice for the family. What are you sacrificing? I mean if you pay for your family you get the joy out of it, that’s why you do it. If you have to lead a nice good life you are not sacrificing anything but you are gaining by that, leading a good life. If your wife says, “Don’t go to the pub,” and if you do not go there, then you should not say, “She is an orthodox, old fashioned this that, that and that and that.” But instead you should thank you stars that, in these modern times also that, there is somebody who’s telling you the truth. Because the whole edifice has come up, do you mean to say that truth should not be told? All this is falsehood in which you are living, and if you have to be happy – come down to Reality. Friends, also same thing: With the friends what sort of relations do we have with our friends? What do we expect from them? Sending them a Christmas card and then if they don’t send, feeling bad about it. There are no deeper bondages, we have not lived with them. If you allow our self to be bound by them, they will be bound by us. You better try this. Try to be bound by them, don’t be afraid of anybody else. Just try to be bound by others and you’ll be amazed how much they will be giving you. I am a living example of this. I can tell you, I am a living example of this; I am bound by all of you. If somebody says, “Mother when are you going to leave us?” No I cannot. I cannot. I am just bound by you. I just do not want to leave because I love you very much. How can I leave you? It’s impossible for Me. So then, what do I gain out of this life? Every – thing – that – is – in – this – world! What do you want Me to get? I cannot even count what I can get out of it. Immeasurable ocean. I become an ocean Myself. Break your ideas about your own personal freedom and liberation, [what you are doing] is liberating your intelligence, you are liberating your own wisdom. And the sweetness and the beauty which is never perishable, whether you are old or young. That is going to be your own. But these poisons that are being built outside and inside you, please throw them away. These are mental poisons. Through Agnya you can take them out. You see, this is an opening also through which many things go out. Try to work it out. Look at the tree with love and you’ll find that the tree itself is giving you the joy of its creation. Because you’ll become thoughtless. And the Creator who has made that beautiful tree will be pouring all that joy which is stored into it. Every human being is a store of joy, unlimited! I assure you, believe Me. And don’t waste them because somebody is not properly dressed, or he’s not according to the way you want him to be: which you learnt in your public school! Every doorstep, everywhere there is beauty lying, do not miss it. But if you have a possessiveness about it, an adultery about it, then you can never enjoy them, you can never enjoy all that beauty, all that store, all that wealth that is in every human being: every moment it is bubbling. For Agnya it’s a good thing, Christmas is coming. And at the time that, when I have to wish you a Happy Christmas, that, at this occasion, I am speaking about Agnya chakra in which, what I said is, Agnya is: one must know what to order and how to obey, obey the Divine, obey your elders, obey your Self and not your ego – and then you can order also others; not only human beings, but you can even order The Sun and The Moon and all the winds and everything in the world. Everything you can control, everything with this Agnya. You try one thing. If you know somebody is going to do something wrong, just take his name and put it to Agnya: He’ll not do it. Try it! This is a trick I’m telling about for those who are realised souls not for those who are not yet realised. But those who are realised can try. If the other person is doing something wrong you can try your Agnya. Anything you order on your Agnya will be respected but your Agnya must have Christ there. Because you have The Great Support awakened within you, which does not exist [only] here, but into every man’s head. It is all pervading, into all small atoms and molecules, it is everywhere into The Sun and any place you go. It is there. So try to develop your Agnya, that is the mastery of your self. Those who have a good Agnya can master anything. And understand that the idea about mastering worldly things and mastering human beings and mastering this and some of them are mastering in, say, other crafts and things, best thing is to master your Agnya! And you really become the master of yourself by which you can master many things. And today on this great day when I’m wishing you a Happy Christmas, I wish you to have the most powerful Agnya, that people, when they see your forehead should know that Christ is reborn again with in you. May God bless you! We do not have any programs after days, I’m sorry. Because I’m going to India. I’m going on the 7th, the 9th back…I think in the end of march, all of you who have been here who have got realization and have not got realization should know that it is very subtle thing which has worked within you, and it has helped all of you every way. So, we have also an ashram. The address of the ashram will be now told to you, so that you note it down for yourself, where is the ashram. It is very near to the Dollis Hills station (not clear). Please go and meet those people. And meet your brothers and sisters who are there, and there is a telephone number will be there. Please contact them, and keep the contact. Another thing is that we are going to have a new year’s day celebration. All of us having lunch together and you are all invited to be there about twelve thirty or so. And we will have some lunch and some music and some, meeting together and the bondage part of it. Thank you very much. May God Bless You!

“Agnya chakra”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 18 December 1978. Today we are talking about the sixth chakra called as Agnya Chakra. The ‘gya’, ‘gya’ word means ‘to know’, Agnya is to know. And ‘A’ means ‘the whole’. Agnya chakra also has another meaning. A-gya, Agnya means ‘obedience’ or ‘to order’. It can mean both the things. If you order to someone it is an Agnya and the one who obeys the order is an Agnyakari. The one who does the Agnya. This sixth chakra was created in the human beings when he started thinking. Thinking is language expressed. If we do not have a language we cannot think. But it does not mean there is no thought coming into us. If we cannot express it, it does not mean there is no thought process working in us. But at that subtle stage when the thoughts are coming to us they are not in language, so they are not communicated to us, and that’s why if we do not have language we cannot understand what we are thinking. That’s why you must have seen children cannot communicate to us what they want because they cannot say what they are wanting. They feel the urge in the stomach and they want to ask for, say, water or something, but they can’t say it to us, and that’s why they cannot think what they have to say about. But afterwards when you start thinking and putting it into language, that language is stored in our brain as shown in the picture on the left hand side and also on the right hand side of that yellow and black, then it comes back to us, later on as, thought waves. As if somebody is talking to us. But before the language starts, we can call it the inspiration or the thought process, at the very early stage, comes to us in certain forms, and those forms are in light and shade. They are not in language but in light and shade. And after coming to Sahaja Yoga if you go deep into your thoughts you’ll find they are nothing but lights and shade that are covering our Agnya chakra. One after another a light and shade, like a circular lighthouse, they give a kind of a pattern in our head. Now these patterns are moulded into language by us at a very early stage and these are sort of filled into the cups of language and then these cups are kept reserved in the brain and they come to us that way. When we think we really understand because it’s a language that comes to us. So what happens to the animals? Do they think or not? They get a thought, an inspiration but they won’t be just thinking about it. Now, these inspirations come to them as words when they start living with human beings. So these inspirations go into the thought again as we do. For example you give somebody a name, say you call him say Tom, or something – you call a dog – so now he knows that this word means ‘calling me’. So he connects himself with that word. But when he does not have the word, when he’s just an animal, he’s just there, he doesn’t think. That’s why they are very spontaneous and we are not. Animals are extremely spontaneous that cause they do not think the way we think. And this has created the greatest problem for human beings: how to get beyond thoughts. It’s a little complicated thing because perhaps I can see that very clearly, as you cannot see the light. And then the light forms the language, and then language, according to us, becomes our thoughts. But these thoughts are really conditionings on us and they are not inspired things. They are not coming from inside and that’s why we are not spontaneous. For example if I am sitting here, now I cannot keep quiet as a human being. I’ll be thinking about something. I’ll be thinking, “What am I going to say?” Then “Should I say this or not?” “What if I say this, will that be alright or not?” “Will that go to their heads or not?” All sorts of thoughts will be coming into My head. Then from one side I will be questioning myself. From the other side the answers will be coming, “Alright you say this and if you say like this they may appreciate you. Go this way that way they will understand.” Like that you see. So the sorting out goes on in our brain through our experiences of this lifetime of ours. Whatever have been our experiences in this lifetime in dealing with people in getting experiences from others: all these are conditioned into our brain and the whole thing becomes a thought process, which comes to us through this interaction of thought and action, action and thought, which just starts waves – which action to take, what thought to be put in, how to solve it and we think we are analysing ourselves. It’s a very superficial thing. Actually you do not analyse anything whatsoever, you do not. As I told you the other day you do not do anything. So your thinking is nothing but a bubbling going on. Because when, like a sea even, which is, so deep down, so quiet – when it touches the shore it has a action and reaction. In the same way when you are seeing at something, because your attention is outside, immediately a thought wave is created out of that, which goes back and gives you all the images about it, whatever you know about that particular thing and it comes back to you as thought process. It’s going on all the time, and it can be so maddening that we cannot stop our thoughts: it just goes on like mad. You don’t know, you can’t sleep because thoughts are coming. Sometimes they could be horrifying, sometimes they are gratifying, sometimes romantic, sometimes absolutely negative, sometimes very positive. Sometimes you feel “I must do this,” sometimes you feel “I shouldn’t do this”. But when you [are] actually doing – you do not think. It’s surprising, we never notice that when we are doing that particular thing, supposing I say I am going to speak, these things. Now when I’ve thought about it that I thought say about 10 minutes before when I’m speaking it, I am not thinking that what I was going to speak. Because that time I think I’ve built in that process of thinking into my brain and put it somewhere stored and then, now, when I have started this talk, that is coming direct to me. So human beings have developed, I should say a process, which can be a very sickening thing, very, very sickening. And this comes out of both of these. Is one the left side that we call the ego, which has gone this side, and the right side we call the superego. All the conditioning on the right hand side of the superego, is, gives us, the fears, the dangers, the possibilities. Whatever we have experienced before. As they say those who have been burnt by milk also [will] take a cold drink after blowing it a little. Because you have been burnt you know something liquid has burnt you so you think this may also burn your tongue. So you may try to do that. It is so spontaneous that time that you feel that, “Oh it is very spontaneous”, but it is not. It has been stored before in your experiences and something there that you are afraid of and that’s why you do it. If we, once, realise that this thought process is absolutely not necessary for us to exist. There is no need to have any thought about the future or about the past if you want to exist as human beings. Animals do not bother. For example animals know that they are going in a jungle. Now suddenly they find some other animal coming from there and they know that you go there. Now what’s the use of thinking about the animal that is going to come? Supposing it does not come then it’s such a waste. But they have a hole here and they no problem as we have because have a hole the whole thing goes out. It doesn’t stick for more than a minute here. But you can condition them also. By experiences they are conditioned. By experiences that they have had so far, about other animals and things, they are conditioned. And they act accordingly. So there’s a tremendous difference between us and them is that we think about everything. I mean, we think it is a very great thing to sit down and think about it. And we think it is very wise to sit down and think about it. Any problem comes in you think, “Better sit down and think about it.” But now what do we do when a problem arrives? We think about it in relation to whatever we have been doing before and whatever our experiences have been. In the same way they want to think about Sahaja Yoga. Now you cannot think about Sahaja Yoga. First of all you become thoughtlessly aware in Sahaja Yoga to begin with. You cannot think. But it is a happening about which you cannot think. It is a living happening, thinking is a dead movement, it is not a living movement. Whatever [is] dead in us comes back to us as thought. Inspiration is living, not the thinking. Inspiration is very different from the thought. For example, books are in the library, everything that we have thought of or have got it or experienced – this is in the books. Whatever is new coming to us is the inspiration. Now just find out how many new things you are thinking, perhaps not even a sentence. Mostly you say that “This gentleman said so,” “That gentleman said so,” “That gentleman said so”, or “I said so”. If you can think about that is coming just now into you, you don’t have to think for it, it just comes out, it is inside you, it just emerges and expresses itself. So that is the spontaneous living thing. That is what we call as inspiration: is a sudden glimpse of the knowledge that we get. But whatever we have [been] thinking about is all the play of the dead. So this is a centre of Christ. He resides in the centre of Agnya, and He is, in the Devi Purana if you read, was born long, long time before, was created much earlier and how He developed into Mahavishnu also you can read it for yourself because it’s a big chapter and I wish you all could know and read about it and find out how He developed into Mahavishnu. It is very interesting. Because all these things were written in Sanskrit language, we should not say that Mahavishnu was not in the Bible, because Bible itself was not written at a stretch by one person. So that part is a part of Christ’s creation before He came on this Earth as Christ. Actually Christians do not know anything about His becoming: how He became Christ or what was the need to have Christ or a son to come down [and] why not God Himself could do the job. And this is the reason why I would request you to read for yourself the incarnation of Mahavishnu by which you realise why Christ was born. And it is the most important incarnation because He is the principle, He is the principle of creation, the tattwa, as they call it in Sanskrit language, He is the tattwa. Ganesha, though resides in the Mooladhara gradually evolves to be Christ at this stage. From that red chakra up to this chakra He becomes Christ. He is the principle. Now what is the principle? Within us what is our principle? Is, say, the Kundalini you can say. In this (microphone) the electricity is the principle of this one is. In the same way the creation, the whole creation if you take it as such, it is the principle and the support of this creation. He represents the essence, the essence of creation. Like we can say we have a family, husband and wife and the child. Now the child is the essence of husband and wife, he’s the essence of the family, of the house. The whole thing is sustained for him, is created for him. Till they did not have the child there was no meaning to that house, no meaning to their life. But when they had a child then they had a meaning. In the same way, Christ is the essence, is the tattwa itself. He’s the Omkara as they call it. He is the first sound, first sound that was created – Om – when the Primordial Father and Primordial Mother separated, They created this sound. And He is that sound which is filled into All-Pervading Power and looks after and supports. Actually it is more the support because looking after is done by the Father you can say or by the Mother. But is the support of all the Universe. And because He is just the essence, the essence never dies. Say My essence is My Spirit, it will never die. The body dies or the creation will die but the essence has to be there. If the essence is lost then nothing could be there. That’s why He’s the most important incarnation, because He is the support. Now this incarnation is placed in this Agnya chakra of ours, here in the centre, where the optic nerve or optic thalamus cross each other like this. In the centre is a very subtle point which moves both the sides like this and like that and it creates two sounds ‘hum’ ‘kshum’, ‘hum’ ‘kshum’, ‘hum’ ‘kshum’. ‘Hum’ is on the right hand side where you have seen the superego is there and ‘kshum’ is on the left hand side where the ego is. Now these two sounds create two kinds of vibrations. The ‘hum’ sound creates the vibrations, which make you think, “I am, I am” ‘hum’, ‘I am.’ This comes from our existence power that we know we have to live in this world, we’re not going to die. Any human being who tries to kill himself is abnormal. Normally every human being…why every animal or any living thing tries to retain its life? That is through this power of ‘hum’, that – ‘I am’. Now the superego on the left hand side and ego on the right hand side is kshum’. But now I’ll tell you about the right hand side – superego. In this superego when you are conditioned by so many things, then you are frightened and you are worried because these experiences make you that type of a person which has fear in the mind. And this fear is all settled in your superego. This starts from your amoeba stage you can say and is, still today, is being stored there. You are afraid of police, you are afraid of that, you are afraid of this. Some people are not afraid of these things but are afraid of something else, because whatever have been your conditions, whatever have been your experiences, are all put down here. Moreover when somebody reads the book of Dracula now he’s afraid of the word Dracula but the children who do not read they do not know what is a Dracula is. If you say Dracula has come they say, “Alright, lets have a look at him!” But those children [who] have read about Dracula, they are literally frightened and they say, “Oh God, Dracula is coming, something terrible is going to happen!” So, whatever you have read, whatever you have gone through whatever experiences you have had – all is in the superego. So this superego in that, this centre, sends [this] message, “I am, you are, you are”, ‘hum’, ‘hum’ : “don’t be afraid, don’t be afraid”, “you are”. So the people who come to Me, and you have seen some people who come to Me are victims of superego conditioning. And these are the people…actually at this stage only, you can really discriminate between the two types: one who are very aggressive, the other who are absolutely we should say subordinated, frightened. These people when they come to Me, I have seen, they go on crying and weeping, “Mother you know this has happened that has happened,” and I really get tired talking to them. And there are so many of this kind that really you have to pay attention to them as sahaja yogis because you’ll have to deal with them, how to manage them and how to work it out. Now at that time if a sahaja yogi says, now you go on saying ‘hum’, ‘hum’, ‘hum’, ‘hum’, a sahaja yogi, if he says [that], then the vibrations will drive out his fear. Even if you are under any fear and you are walking around and you feel that there’s frightened, you just say ‘hum’, ‘hum’, ‘hum’. Now with this saying the vibrations will clear out this side very nicely. Apart from that, that is the way you can get help from the Divine by saying ‘hum’. Now there are many things about hum and kshum but as the time is you know, so I do not want to go into great details about it. But I would say the mantra for the right hand side is ‘hum’ and for the left hand side is ‘kshum’. The right hand side is the ego, which is real problem, you understand that! Is a real colossal one you have to face them, I mean, [if] I say anything small here and there I find the whole thing coming up onto my head like that. So what is the solution for a colossal ego? Colossal ego can only be conquered by forgiving others. Those who have ego must learn, if they feel hurt they must say, “forgive.” Then another person hurts them, say, “forgive.” And not only forgive but ask for forgiveness. Both things should be done, more asking for forgiveness. You have to ask for forgiveness if you have too much of ego. It is very important. Because if you have too much of ego means what? That you have pampered it too much. That means you have used it too much. You have dominated people and that’s why you have such a lot of ego. If you have such a lot of ego you must all the time try to humble down in your heart. Now in the heart resides the Spirit. The ego, too much of ego in a person, always takes you away from that Spirit. That’s why it is said, “Humble down in your heart.” The reason is, in the heart resides that part of yours which gets completely obliterated or forgotten once you start pumping up your ego. But ego has its limits, it ends up into stupidity and foolishness. You take any person who is egoistical and who’s blowing his own trumpet, you will immediately know because he’ll be stupid, without understanding what he’s doing, he’ll be doing such stupid things that you will start wondering, especially children, “What’s the matter with this fellow? Seems quite funny!” And then the stupidity faces the person – then he sees for himself, “Oh God! how did I become so stupid?” But stupidity comes to you because you forget the existence of God and your relationship with the Whole. You think, “I am on my own. Why should I not do this? What is wrong in this, what is wrong in that? I should do these things.” I mean in this country the way people are fighting for things, I mean, you must, anybody, I mean, those so-called developing countries can’t understand: what’s this kind of a thing happening to these people? Because the other day My son-in-law Luv was reading an article that people are demanding now that a son-in-law should be allowed to marry the mother-in-law (laughing) , and he just couldn’t understand how can people gather together and ask for such an absurd thing like that. She is your mother. How can you say that way? I mean it is something an impossibility for people, normal people to think like that, that a son-in-law can marry the mother-in-law. And what is there to make a law about it and to talk about it. It’s a very difficult thing. All kinds of stupid things we are doing in this country, which really makes everybody roar with laughter. Is because of our Mr. Ego companionship. It is not easy to understand how he befools us. It goes on befooling us all the time and then we think “what’s wrong?” An eighty-year-old man running after a twenty-year-old girl. And the twenty-year-old girl befooling this eighty-year-old man, supposed to be a statesman this, that and his statue is erected somewhere there. How is it possible? It is only the ego makes you do all these nonsensical and stupid things. Once you are in Sahaja Yoga, you don’t know how to control your laughter sometimes, the way people are foolish, extremely foolish. And this is what it is; it ends up in stupidity absolute stupidity. I mean even if you want to write a novel you won’t get such beautiful characters as you could around you, when you listen to them. And you’re shocked, “Oh God what’s this going on!” And very embarrassing too, extremely embarrassing. And they become so foolish with their ego that one cannot understand how thinking man, because by thinking you get your ego, becomes foolish. There is no wisdom in a person whose ego is completely developed like that. If somebody has an ego like that there is no wisdom in him. You can see that he does not know what is wisdom. He behaves in such an immature way. He may be an elderly man, great grandfather of somebody but as soon as he opens his mouth you are shocked at him. You think from where this joker has come? The maturity is completely lacking. The other day somebody told Me that, “Mother how is it our parents are so stupid and we are searching God? And the elderly people are so foolish and we are searching God?” And then I said, “No, maybe because of war the parents are disturbed. Most of the parents were disturbed during war” and they said, “Majority of them are like this. And the younger people are searching God and much wiser and we don’t know how to compromise with them because they are not searching God. Why is it they are not searching God and we are searching God? And if there are some searching, they are very few.” Now I said this may be due to war but somebody said, “Then what about America? You see, in America the people didn’t face war so much,” the stupidity that they have is sometimes surprising. That is the same thing as I said, is the development of ego in a human being. Now ego is the thing that makes you think about everything. For example, now we have to, say go from here to Birmingham, alright. So we think now, “how will I go?” Simple way is that I’ll take a train or I’ll take a car and go away. If there’s no reservation needed, I will just jump into the train or go by the car. If the car is available, I’ll go by car or by train finished! What is there to think about? But “No! Then we must plan it out, I have programmed! Now, I have to go!” You go to the station and find the train is not there because there was some accident so the train is not moving. So you’re absolutely upset because you think that “The train has gone now what to do.?” In that upsetting you do not even remember that you have a car and you have to go by the car now. That whole thing upsets you because you had plans to go by train and you had planned everything, now you cannot reach there and what will happen? Now you are sitting here and worrying about it. As a person who is spontaneous what will he do? “Alright depends on, I may go by train or by car whatever I feel like at that time.” He’s sitting tight. So he goes to the train, sees if the train is there. If it is, nicely there’s a space available, he gets into it. If the train is not available, alright, he comes home takes his car and goes away. So now you have informed the people that you must meet at such and such a place – that also is there,. So those people are running up, down there – and they will be there at the station. Now what’s the matter? Even if they’re at the station you can meet them at the station. You go by train and you can meet them. What is there to be that much upset about it? You see you can always contact them. But the way we get upset we have spoiled the complete program of going to Birmingham, which is a very beautiful program that we have got. We have to meet new people, we have to meet many people, we have to enjoy ourselves. That’s all finished! Because we had planned something and it did not work out, we are finished! All these things make us a miserable person. And we are so miserable and so grudging and so boring that those who are next to you just get fed up with it and they say, “Now shut up! If you are not going to Birmingham, if you are not going don’t go. But don’t eat my head now!” is a common experience of many. It’s this Mr. Ego he’s so, he doesn’t want you to be happy. He doesn’t want you to be relaxed. He all the time gives you ideas and tells you, “Do this and do that and you must get it done and this is to be done. You had better inform that person, be meticulous about it,” and it will go to such details that anything fails you are finished because your nerves are already finished and shattered. Anything, even a drop of inconvenience comes into you or even a feather of disturbance is there, you are finished. And so everybody is rattling, “We have tensions. We have problems.” Why? What is the advantage of doing all these things? No advantage you know that. But then why do you do it? Because you have a big ego, it won’t allow you to rest. Whatever you may try it won’t. So what is the solution of that? Morning till evening ask for forgiveness from God. Pull your ears from both the sides and say, “Oh God, forgive me. Oh God, forgive me. And, oh God forgive me,” so this balloon of ego goes down a little. Remember Him morning, evening, every time. Remembering Christ brings down your ego very much. He did everything that was possible that you should not develop your ego. Everything that was possible. He was born as an ordinary carpenter’s son, lived in the most ordinary conditions, kept Himself behind the whole scene. He could have been born as a Roman Emperor. He could have been anybody there. But no He was born Himself. You know that He took his birth in a place where even ordinary people do not take their births. But, there also the light was there. Wherever He was born there was light and joy. And this is the thing we have to know, that we have lost the joy because we have forgotten God Almighty. When we forget Him, that He is love and He is joy, naturally joy is also forgotten. And then we see people are not at all happy; they have affluence, they have money, they have everything, but still they are not happy. All the time they are in such a mess that you don’t know how to talk to them. If you say this word they’ll be angry, if you say that word they’ll be angry. They are not at all normal human beings, they are sick people. Sick with their ego. Is a very simple thing is to ask for forgiveness, but how many times do we do that? Not even once a day, not even once a month, not even once a year. Even on a Christmas day if we could say, “Forgive us Oh Lord for whatever we have done so far.” It will work out. But that day we must champagne to forgive Him more. So we must have gossips and we must have all the arrogant things by the time it is the end of Christmas. This ego, yellow side one, is the one that presses your superego too much. It does. It presses it so much sometimes that a person forgets that others are hurt by what they talk. On the contrary they devise methods how to say things which are cutting, which are hurting, which are painful to others. They say such things, I mean all the time if you see, a person say from a village if he comes and sees he’ll think, are they quarrelling, what are they doing? I mean the whole discussion, even in the parliament, I was surprised the way they talked to each other, no bull will treat another bull that way! Even a dog normally does not bark at another dog. No animal in the world all the time is barking at its fellow man. No animal in the whole world I can tell you this much. Only the human beings if two people are there all the time they are going, “ha ha ha ha” all the time, that way. How is it possible? His ego and her ego or maybe both his ego are dashing at each other. And there is a kind of a funny type of feeling that “Oh I have mastered the thing, I have got the thing, I have got the point. I have proved the point!” But in that I have lost everything that was so beautiful and so much joy giving within me. Actually a sensible person would recede from the place where two people are having an argument. Argument is a sign of tomfoolery. I haven’t seen any argument coming to any end whatsoever. If it is then it is alright, but it never does come. Because, if say, you ask Me questions I answer you, alright. If you do not like the answer give it up. But if you argue with Me still and I argue with you where will you end? Argument is not going to lead you to any knowledge but a very terrible ego developing into you. The whole modern concept is ego-oriented. All western countries are ego-orientated. They want to develop your ego and pamper it. There are so many other ways by which they do. Why I’m talking more about it [is] because we are all supposed to be western people and affluent people. Supposed to be very wise and leading or misleading, I don’t know, the developing countries. So we have to understand ourselves where are we as far as our understanding of things are concerned. How ego is pampered within us is by a large-scale method. They work on your ego throughout to have all these so-called enterprises. For example to a woman they’ll say, “Oh you must have a waist like this and you must have a face like this and you must have…” For a man, “You must this kind of a body. You should be Mr. Universe or you should be something,” so the man starts working on it, immediately. You must. There so many people I have seen running on the roads in this cold, I don’t understand. Like mad, you know, and some of them are Members of Parliament! The whole night they keep awake and the whole day they are running about. I say – what are you doing? What is the need to do this? “To keep good health, you must do it.” To keep good health don’t work like mad, be a sensible and a wise person. Wisdom is to be sought to keep good health, to be alright and not this kind of mad ego-orientated things. So then, the one way is to excite your ego about your physique. Then there is ego about, you must have a big car. You see, people try to show off their possessions. You have a big car, then they’re going about. I mean they really look, to Me, like jokers. That’s all they are. I mean, car I can understand is a convenience and a good quality car, if somebody can afford, should have it, because it is a headache to have a bad car. So, it’s alright. But by having a car you become something great. You may not have food in the house but you must have a very good car to go about. And all these ideas come. Then they will advertise – “This will be a very good car for you.” What is it for you? It is nothing but to pamper your ego. All these advertisements are nothing but by which your ego is pampered. All these things they are created. Now in America, if you go, every handle has to be different, everything has to be different. Why so much difference in everything? Why do you want to have everything so different? Is it some aesthetics, you think in that? It is none of the aesthetics but is just to pamper your ego. Even the so-called art connoisseurs are nothing but ego-pamperers. Your stamp collections, this, that – all this is nothing but ego pampering. And what a waste of time, you just think about it. This ego thing comes into us because we are, first of all, as I said, that, in the West, the living was very difficult, they had to fight the nature. And when you have to fight the nature you have to develop your ego to fight it. Or actually, when you are fighting the nature, the ego develops within you. And then, once that momentum has started in you, it is very difficult to bring it down. It is such a terrible disease that people have taken it for granted that that’s a part of their lives. You are not your ego. You are not. When I say that you must surrender yourself to God they say “Mother why should we surrender?” ‘Yourself’ means that ego with which you are identified. I don’t say that you surrender your wisdom. Or I can say: surrender your ego to your wisdom. But it is so difficult to give it up, because we have learnt to live with it, identified with it. We just cannot think of life without our ego, we just cannot. And it is gone to such an extent that we don’t even realise how far we have gone in cruelty. Like, “I like this kind, I like that kind.” You go to somebody’s house and you say like this: is indecent to talk like that. It is vulgar to express, “I like…” Who are you? Are you God? “I want this. I want that. I am very particular about this. I am very…” Who are you? Just ask yourself a question, “Who am I? I am the Spirit. I am that eternal being. Have I become that?” On the contrary we are hurting everybody’s Spirit by our ego. Every moment, when we talk to others, we are hurting them. Actually, people have lost faith in God, because those who are in charge of God are so arrogant and so egoistical that it has become impossible for anybody to think of God, which is beyond your ego. You’ll be surprised, ego is absolutely superficial like a bubble. It is just like a balloon, which can burst just like that! And it should go. It should go so that you should rise. It should disappear so that your attention rises in your Spirit and that you see the whole world as a part of that Spirit that you are. This is the boundary, which you have to cross and for that we have to take help from Christ. Christ crucified himself. Why? Because what did He do? Did He loot people? Today you have thousands of these thugs coming here and looting you: nobody crucifies them. What did He do? He just challenged the ego of these Romans and of these Jews, those who were angry with Him, and that’s why He was crucified. And we have to crucify our ego now through His cross, otherwise we are going to do the same again to ourselves that, in our own being, we crucify our Christ by our ego. It is a very symbolic death of Christ. His birth in the most humble place, in a very humble place. He is born in the optic thalamus, you can say: is the place where there brain, all activities coming and, all the, all sorts of problems there, facing you, and there He lives. And you have to just awaken Him there so that your ego is crucified once for all. But I don’t say, “You fight your ego,” because it is not that important to fight. You are fighting with your shadow. You have shadow, which is called as ego: Which is not to be fought and to waste your energy on him. There’s no need to fight him. Only thing [is], if you stand in the centre of the light – you don’t see any shadow. It is so simple as that. If you stand in the centre of light that is Christ, you don’t see any shadow anywhere. But when I say this, I may sound like other people who give sermons, “Stand in the shadow of Christ” or “Stand in the light of Christ.” Now what does that mean? Where is that light, where is that place where you should stand? And that place is here in the centre of your optic thalamus where there is no thought. You have to stand in thoughtless awareness. Many people who have had a problem with Agnya, many people who have come… (interruption in talk) …thoughts will stop and they will be beyond thought. And this a very, very important chakra for sahaja yogis because when the Kundalini rises above, above the Agnya chakra – immediately there is no thought. You do not get any thoughts from ego or superego. But there is a wobbling in the Agnya because of your imbalanced ways. And the imbalanced ways are, that sometimes you are with ego or with superego. This has happened to our people in the West because we have had so much of ego [that] we got really tired of it. We got frightened with it. Then we started taking to drugs and things to increase our superego. But by doing that, what we are doing is pushing by one end bringing by another end and that’s how we are wobbling our ego and superego, by which we are not helping ourselves at all. So what one has to do is to rise within oneself up to the point of Agnya and try to steady your Agnya. There are many people have asked Me one question: “How to steady the Agnya?” Agnya is placed at the crossing point of our nerves and also optic thalamus. Now, so it is said that, if you have wobbling eyes, you’ll have a wobbling Agnya. You have to steady your eyes, you have to soothe them. Now it is very, very out of date, ancient, old and all sorts of names that you call it, to a thing like that, but you must steady your eyes and steady them in such a way that it is very soothing for the eyes. [That] which is the most soothing thing for the eyes is the green grass. If you could see the green grass with your eyes, means you walk with your eyes on the ground, your eyes will be soothed, your Agnya will be alright. That’s why Christ said that, “I tell you about the adulterous eyes”. He talked about adulterous eyes. The eyes with which you do adultery. Is a very common thing these days. Every woman, a man must see; every man, a woman must see. As if it is the most important job, if you have not seen one woman you are finished! I mean this is being modern. But I am an old fashioned lady, and, as at the time of Christ, He said, “You should not have adulterous eyes.” And the ones who have adulterous eyes are, no more than any other, but our Western Christians, who all the time, even in the church, even when they’re giving sermons, their eyes are moving with adultery. These eyes have to be very, very pure, very, very deep and very, very loving when you want to have your Agnya alright, because you receive through your eyes. Say, if you have closed your eyes, you do not put your attention to anything because your eyes are closed, you are not adding more thoughts to yourself. But if your eyes are open you are adding much more thoughts because everywhere the eyes go, the attention goes, and you see things and create thoughts and put in them. So your attention which has to go to the Spirit, which has to go to God, which has to shine through the window of Divine: this beautiful thing is ruined by the way we use our eyes and we do not respect it. There’s nothing so pure and beautiful as the grass on the ground or the ground itself, which takes our feet, which supports us, which looks after us, enriches us. We should put our eyes on the Mother Earth instead of looking at every person. But from Sahaja Yoga point of view, now many of you know what happens to your eyes when you look at somebody: maybe an entity might enter your eyes. And it is, you’ll be amazed, that it is the play of the entity what we call this so-called flirting is. I have talked about it, before also, and people didn’t like it when I told them about it, but I have seen actual entities entering from eyes to eyes. I have seen very simple people who come down to such places, say in a party. In a party, people are just exchanging entities from one eye to another. Once it goes to another person, he puts his entity into another person, and that goes into another person. All the time your attention is diverted and you feel it is attracted towards something, you do not know why it is attracted. Now the certain symbols are also made like that. To add up to the problems, all the society is working at it – that you should appear in such a way that every man should look at you, every woman should look at you. Why? What is the use? Supposing I look at you what do I get? What do I get by looking at a person? What is the advantage? Just looking at a person? We are wasting such a lot of energy for what? In the same way if you are walking on the roads, on, say, some, we are seeing some beautiful things, alright. If you have to buy something, alright go ahead, see those things, whatever you have to select is alright. But all the time just because your eyes are such, you are just doing it and you do not know the reason why you are doing like this, all the time why your eyes are wobbling. And that is a sure and certain sign for a person to become mad. Absolutely, that’s a sure and certain sign is, when a person is mad how do you make it out that a person is lunatic? If you see his eyes the iris in the eyes are all the time wobbling, they cannot keep it steady. Or [if] they are sick they’re also, you can see that these eyes are all the time wobbling, there is no steadiness. Not only this but you have seen those people who have come in the Sahaja Yoga when they close their eyes they find their eyes are flickering. Their eyelids are flickering. That means there’s some sort of a disturbance in the Kundalini rising. Whole tension if you call it as hundred then at least 80% of it comes through our eyes. Then how important it is to protect our eyes from all kind of useless activities we are doing. Christ – Christ’s life shows so many aspects of how to respect others. But one of them which has been very much misused throughout is that of the prostitute. He saved the prostitute, He saved her no doubt. But you spoil the prostitutes. A good woman you make her into prostitutes. You give her ideas by which she becomes a prostitute. A good hussif (housewife) is turned into a prostitute by an egotistical man. Young small girls who are virgins are being destroyed by your dirty glances. Do you realise this? That you are doing just the opposite what Christ had done? And you say that He saved, Christ, so even if we are prostitutes, He’ll save us. But why be prostitutes? This is such a stupid style of thinking. That we should become prostitutes so that Christ will save us. One has to think about all these things in the proper light of Sahaja Yoga. Unless and until you are realised, My talk is just useless for you. But once you are realised, you will know that, if you glance at someone, you might suddenly get a headache at the back, you might feel a dart has gone into your head or something has happened, you might feel that you’re blinding with somebody’s face and you will get all kinds of experiences by which you will know how important are your eyes. All your nervousness and everything can be cured if you have pure eyes. But it is such a vicious circle that, through your eyes, you gather all the bad, and is accumulated in the Agnya and you have to clear the Agnya to make the eyes clear. It’s a vicious circle. But it can start at a point as I said, we have to ask for forgiveness. Secondly we have to bring Christ in our Agnya chakra. Thirdly we have to give up all drugs and all intoxicants and all smoking. That happens automatically when you are a sahaja yogi, it will work out. But eyes express the whole of your being, your brain, your body, your limbs everything. And if your Agnya is alright then your eyes are perfectly alright. They emit nothing but love wherever they glance. Only with a glance of your eyes you can raise the Kundalini. Only with the glance of your eyes you can cure people. Only with your glance you can bring joy into the destroyed and the ruined people. So these eyes which you see are the windows of your being, of your heart. When the Spirit is expressed through your eyes, you must have noticed yourself that, when the Kundalini rises then the eyes become dilated. And a realised soul has got black eyes because they have these eyes are dilated. At least when I see them they are all dilated black eyes. Apart from that, a realised soul can be made out by his eyes which are sparkling, there’s a sparkle like diamonds; they sparkle all the time and you can make out from the eyes that this person is a realised soul. There’s a tremendous difference between a non-realised soul’s eyes and the realised soul’s eyes. So you can imagine how your Spirit sees through your eyes, but if the eyes are not pure It doesn’t stay there long. So if we have to understand Christ, physically, we have to respect our eyes, mentally, we have to give up all that is impure in our mind. Now, so we come to the impurities of the mind: And the impurities of mind are, I mean, there are so many poisons, you know, about. I mean there are books and books written about the poisons. And the psychologists are supposed to take out all your poisons. I don’t know if they can do it at all. But they have the worst Agnya. All these psychologists have the worst Agnya and I don’t think they are capable of really giving any relief to people who are suffering mentally. Mental sufferings are of two types. Say the same thing is that one is…vibrations are so much…One type of mental troubles are where people oppress you very much – you go on bearing the cross! Now this is a very wrong idea people have about Christ. Bearing the cross doesn’t mean that, anybody who tries to oppress, you should go on taking the enslavement upon yourself. You’re not to enslave to anyone whatsoever. Anybody who tries to make a slave out of you, you should deny it absolutely! You should say ‘hum’, ‘I am’, “Who are you to dominate me?” Anyone whether you are of a black skin, or a red skin or a yellow skin, nobody has right to dominate anyone in this whole world, and if anybody is doing it, “Oh what to do now, after all we are poor people, or we are like this or he’s supporting,” and all that: then they are running away from their duty towards themselves. Such people cannot get Realisation. Slaves are not going to become kings. So the slavery that is supposed to be confused with bearing the cross is another confusion of modern times. We have to rise in our self-respect and we have to understand that no one in this world has a right to dominate us. But then what is bearing of the cross is? First of all the people of His level never suffer. It’s just a joke going on. It’s a leela, it’s a play going on for them. They never suffer, and even if they so-called act as suffering, they just do it because they want to do it. They are not helpless people, they are not slaves. And those who think that by bearing it up and by suffering it we are becoming Christians, they should know they are psychological cases. And if they are crying and weeping and all the time saying, “What to do? I am in love and my lover tortures me.” You are neither in love neither you have a lover. It is a kind of a psychological clubbing. That he is a dominating man and you like his domination, that’s why you are together, is a simple fact. So every human being has his own self-respect. And he must respect his self that is the Spirit within him. And nothing should dominate it. Whether you belong to this country or that country, or this ‘ism’ or that ‘ism’. All this will break down. Under the rule of God nobody has the right to dominate anybody’s Spirit. But when you are given freedom, you go to the other side that is Mr. Ego. You do not know how to use your freedom, so you try to dominate others. Your freedom is [making] everybody’s freedom is in danger. You are on top of everyone, and torturing everybody’s souls. And you are dominating by land and by properties or by possessions. So either this way or that way, mentally if you are of this category or that category, you are against yourself. Just be in the centre and see for yourself. Just be looking at it. Are you emitting love towards another person? If you are a slave, how can you love? You cannot. If you are ‘free’ and abandoned, how can you love? Love has its own bondages, very sweet and beautiful. You have to live with them. You enjoy those bondages. For a little child will come to your house and he will spoil your house, no doubt, and that he should do, and you should enjoy that spoiling. Then your freedom, if it is challenged by a little child’s crying, then you are not wise people. This is abandonment! Or I would say it is loneliness, it is cutting out from the Primordial, from the Big One, from the large one that you are: is not to be able to tolerate the freedom of others. A child has no freedom to cry in the house? What sort of freedom you conceive of? A mother has no right to say something she wants to say about her child? Which is her duty to tell him what is right and wrong. If the son does not have [the] right to eat whatever he likes in his own mother’s family then what sort of freedom do you have? It’s such a confusion of things. So this kind of freedom is just the opposite and extreme of enslavement. But in the centre is love where you are bound by everyone. I am bound by My children; yes, I am, I am proud of them. They bound Me and I bound them too. It’s a mutual bounding which we enjoy among ourselves. There is such a give and take when there is such a bondage of love. But do we understand the importance of bondage of love? At the slightest pretext we break it. Say a wife says, “I would like to go out today”. The husband has said “Why? I am very tired don’t you understand?” Or if the husband says, “I feel like eating something,” or some particular thing, he says pancake or something, a small thing. “Oh I am very tired every time you are demand…” If she could just think [that], by making that little thing, he would be so very happy. She should be dying to know what he wants. And he should be dying to do what she wants. And then enjoy each other’s company or you are wasting all your properties that you have as human beings. You don’t know how much you are wasting from each other. Every moment is filled with such beautiful bondages, where exchanges are there. What have you gained? The way you are fighting, the way you are going about: what have you gained let me see? When you die you have to announce in the paper that “XYZ is dead” and you find there is nobody. And you have even to pay for people to visit you when you die. This is the case today. Such dryness, such emptiness, such loneliness exists. What have you achieved through this? So this bondage we have to [have]. And there is no question of sacrifice, the way we must sacrifice for the family. What are you sacrificing? I mean if you pay for your family you get the joy out of it, that’s why you do it. If you have to lead a nice good life you are not sacrificing anything but you are gaining by that, leading a good life. If your wife says, “Don’t go to the pub,” and if you do not go there, then you should not say, “She is an orthodox, old fashioned this that, that and that and that.” But instead you should thank you stars that, in these modern times also that, there is somebody who’s telling you the truth. Because the whole edifice has come up, do you mean to say that truth should not be told? All this is falsehood in which you are living, and if you have to be happy – come down to Reality. Friends, also same thing: With the friends what sort of relations do we have with our friends? What do we expect from them? Sending them a Christmas card and then if they don’t send, feeling bad about it. There are no deeper bondages, we have not lived with them. If you allow our self to be bound by them, they will be bound by us. You better try this. Try to be bound by them, don’t be afraid of anybody else. Just try to be bound by others and you’ll be amazed how much they will be giving you. I am a living example of this. I can tell you, I am a living example of this; I am bound by all of you. If somebody says, “Mother when are you going to leave us?” No I cannot. I cannot. I am just bound by you. I just do not want to leave because I love you very much. How can I leave you? It’s impossible for Me. So then, what do I gain out of this life? Every – thing – that – is – in – this – world! What do you want Me to get? I cannot even count what I can get out of it. Immeasurable ocean. I become an ocean Myself. Break your ideas about your own personal freedom and liberation, [what you are doing] is liberating your intelligence, you are liberating your own wisdom. And the sweetness and the beauty which is never perishable, whether you are old or young. That is going to be your own. But these poisons that are being built outside and inside you, please throw them away. These are mental poisons. Through Agnya you can take them out. You see, this is an opening also through which many things go out. Try to work it out. Look at the tree with love and you’ll find that the tree itself is giving you the joy of its creation. Because you’ll become thoughtless. And the Creator who has made that beautiful tree will be pouring all that joy which is stored into it. Every human being is a store of joy, unlimited! I assure you, believe Me. And don’t waste them because somebody is not properly dressed, or he’s not according to the way you want him to be: which you learnt in your public school! Every doorstep, everywhere there is beauty lying, do not miss it. But if you have a possessiveness about it, an adultery about it, then you can never enjoy them, you can never enjoy all that beauty, all that store, all that wealth that is in every human being: every moment it is bubbling. For Agnya it’s a good thing, Christmas is coming. And at the time that, when I have to wish you a Happy Christmas, that, at this occasion, I am speaking about Agnya chakra in which, what I said is, Agnya is: one must know what to order and how to obey, obey the Divine, obey your elders, obey your Self and not your ego – and then you can order also others; not only human beings, but you can even order The Sun and The Moon and all the winds and everything in the world. Everything you can control, everything with this Agnya. You try one thing. If you know somebody is going to do something wrong, just take his name and put it to Agnya: He’ll not do it. Try it! This is a trick I’m telling about for those who are realised souls not for those who are not yet realised. But those who are realised can try. If the other person is doing something wrong you can try your Agnya. Anything you order on your Agnya will be respected but your Agnya must have Christ there. Because you have The Great Support awakened within you, which does not exist [only] here, but into every man’s head. It is all pervading, into all small atoms and molecules, it is everywhere into The Sun and any place you go. It is there. So try to develop your Agnya, that is the mastery of your self. Those who have a good Agnya can master anything. And understand that the idea about mastering worldly things and mastering human beings and mastering this and some of them are mastering in, say, other crafts and things, best thing is to master your Agnya! And you really become the master of yourself by which you can master many things. And today on this great day when I’m wishing you a Happy Christmas, I wish you to have the most powerful Agnya, that people, when they see your forehead should know that Christ is reborn again with in you. May God bless you! We do not have any programs after days, I’m sorry. Because I’m going to India. I’m going on the 7th, the 9th back…I think in the end of march, all of you who have been here who have got realization and have not got realization should know that it is very subtle thing which has worked within you, and it has helped all of you every way. So, we have also an ashram. The address of the ashram will be now told to you, so that you note it down for yourself, where is the ashram. It is very near to the Dollis Hills station (not clear). Please go and meet those people. And meet your brothers and sisters who are there, and there is a telephone number will be there. Please contact them, and keep the contact. Another thing is that we are going to have a new year’s day celebration. All of us having lunch together and you are all invited to be there about twelve thirty or so. And we will have some lunch and some music and some, meeting together and the bondage part of it. Thank you very much. May God Bless You!

12/24/1978

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Christmas Message: Thankfulness

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