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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-pl | [07:14] <Ashiren> 1st
[12:08] <kojot321> Witam
[12:09] <Ashiren> dzien dobry
[12:11] <kojot321> jestem tu nowy i rozgladam sie co sie tu dzieje:-)
[12:13] <Ashiren> jak widac bardzo wiele
[12:13] <kojot321> czemu tu nikt nie rozmawia?
[12:16] <kojot321> dobra ide sobie bo tu wieje nudą
[12:17] <Ashiren> :c
[13:34] <gjm> uff…
[13:35] <gjm> jeszcze by zapytał o ubuntu
[13:35] <Dread> :D
[14:28] <xdudi> albo o rok linuksa
[14:32] <Dread> każdy rok to rok linuxa
[14:32] <Dread> prawie jak everyday is caturday
[16:10] <drathir> lol
[16:10] <drathir> bry... | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.558592 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-kernel | [12:29] <legal> help my - command patch - auto YES?
[12:53] <iseon> When building the ubuntu kernel (generic target) from mainline ubuntu repositorie on a Debian box I get the following error at the end of the build:
[12:53] <iseon> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: syntax error in debian/control at line 13: first block lacks a source field
[12:54] <iseon> is it because I am building on a debian box?
[12:55] <iseon> Followed the step here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile under Build the Kernel(s)
[13:00] <iseon> it seems so --- debian/control files for debian packages all seem to have a Source: field
[13:01] <iseon> I am wondering how I can avoid this error and build the ubuntu kernel on debian..
[13:13] <iseon> perhaps simply adding the field will fix it :) i'll give it a shot. | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.560442 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-tr | [12:37] <terbiyesizherif> arkadaþlar benim þöyle bir sorunum var;
[12:37] <terbiyesizherif> merhaba bu arada.
[12:37] <terbiyesizherif> laptopumun dvd-rw kýsmýný okumuyor.
[12:38] <terbiyesizherif> ubuntunun son halini indirip linux usb creator ile flasha yükledim.
[12:38] <terbiyesizherif> açýlýþta bios ekranýnda usb belleði okumadýðýný gördüm.
[12:38] <terbiyesizherif> neler yapýlabilir?
[12:38] <terbiyesizherif> not: flash bellek çalýþýyor herhangi bir kusuru yok.
[14:10] <ElixirVitae> Selam #ubuntu-tr!
[14:10] <f0und> Selam ElixirVitae!
[14:11] <Anaxa> a/s | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.563916 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu+1 | [00:49] <alteregoa> good morning
[00:55] <alteregoa> us 15.04 working with ubuntu mate?
[06:06] <ses1984> i'm trying to install 15.04, and when i boot with "install ubuntu" or "try before installing" i get dropped at a log in screen
[06:10] <ses1984> i'm trying to install 15.04 and when i choose install ubuntu or try before installing, i get dropped at a login screen,
[06:10] <ses1984> and if i try to log in with username ubuntu password blank, then it keeps going black, then going back to a new login screen, and going black...and repeating forever
[06:11] <ses1984> once it gets into this state i can't press ctrl-alt-fx to enter another console
[06:11] <ses1984> as far as i can tell i just have to hard reboot
[06:12] <ses1984> not sure what to try next. i didn't bother to check if there were known issues with my hardware
[06:12] <ses1984> my hardware is new-ish
[06:12] <ses1984> x99 chipset and nvidia 750ti graphics
[06:13] <ses1984> if i get dumped at the login screen for the first time and do not try to log in, i can switch consoles to a text console, install irssi and here i am
[09:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:51] <penguin42> hey BK
[12:52] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[19:21] <Volkodav> vivi
[19:29] <TheNumb> Volkodav: d
[23:27] <joao_> i everyone
[23:28] <joao_> I need a little help to understand
[23:28] <joao_> whats happening
[23:28] <joao_> So i installed teamspeak 3 and is working well
[23:28] <joao_> but in the past, when press right click, an option to open runscript sh on terminal was showed
[23:29] <joao_> Im running ubuntu 15.04
[23:29] <joao_> Sorry for my bad english
[23:29] <joao_> :s
[23:32] <joao_> Its anybody here? | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.568866 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-irc | [15:05] <Mikaela> Hi, I asked sometime ago if I could be removed from !ops-#ubuntu-women, but as I am still there my question was't probably seen. Could someone do that?
[16:23] <Tm_T> Mikaela: you can try submit corrected version to ubottu and someone then apply it
[16:24] <Mikaela> oh, I didn't think about that
[16:25] <Mikaela> done, thanks | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.570213 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#maas | [15:44] <mup> Bug #1445939 was opened: MAAS users (not admins) can see all node event logs. They only need to be allowed to see their own <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445939>
[15:44] <mup> Bug #1445941 was opened: WebUI needs a filter for deployed OS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445941>
[15:44] <mup> Bug #1445942 was opened: Unable to determine purpose for node: '%s'", u'node-08.maas' <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445942>
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1445945 was opened: Node Event Log needs to store the user <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445945>
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1445950 was opened: Proxy error when trying to delete a windows image <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445950>
[17:20] <mup> Bug #1445959 was opened: Deploying a different OS from node details page yields in always deploying ubuntu <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445959>
[17:20] <mup> Bug #1445962 was opened: when adding a virsh chassis via the WebUI, it is forcing me to input password <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445962>
[17:20] <mup> Bug #1445965 was opened: [1.8.0b3] Cannot probe-and-enlist hardware <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445965>
[20:18] <mup> Bug #1445990 was opened: juju destroy-environment released machines not deployed by juju <pyjuju:New> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445990>
[20:18] <mup> Bug #1445993 was opened: Cannot power on machine in broken state <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445993>
[20:18] <mup> Bug #1445994 was opened: [1.8.0b3] Add Devices button has disappeared <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445994>
[20:18] <mup> Bug #1445997 was opened: [1.8.0b3] Clicking on a device takes be back to node details page <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445997>
[20:18] <mup> Bug #1446000 was opened: [1.8.0b3] MAC is not shown in device list <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446000> | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.573730 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntustudio | [03:59] <meme> how to install pd-extended
[04:00] <holstein> meme: https://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian
[04:00] <holstein> !info pd-extended
[04:00] <holstein> since, its not in the debian/ubuntu repos, you'll get it from the creators, and build it, or get a binary, or add the referenced PPA
[04:01] <meme> I have tried the PPA but it did not work
[04:02] <holstein> meme: let the maintainers know you are having issues with it
[04:02] <meme> thank you, I will tried another way
[04:02] <holstein> maybe they will "fix" it.. or, you can elaborate about what issue you are having
[04:04] <meme> the PPA is for older Ubuntu releases and I get stuck with the 13.10 PPA
[04:04] <holstein> i wouldnt say "stuck"..
[04:04] <meme> sorry
[04:05] <holstein> AFAIK, the kxstudio ppa's have it
[04:06] <meme> great, I'll go there, thanks a lot
[04:06] <holstein> there are more packages there
[10:36] <raz-iz-nazni> hello world .. does anyone know how to get netflix to work i had it on kali but i forget the name of the app maybe pslight ?
[18:42] <Boscop> hi. when will ubuntu studio 15.04 come out?
[21:26] <gaconsalt> heccrfz e,eyne
[21:26] <gaconsalt> русская убунту
[23:44] <rdunn19d> Hello?
[23:44] <holstein> rdunn19d: o/
[23:46] <rdunn19d> Hi. I was wondering if I could ask a "hopefully" quick question. When I searched on Ubuntu Forums, it literally told ME that I was wrong, lol.
[23:46] <holstein> forums? "told" you you were wrong?
[23:46] <holstein> anyways, you can ask whatever you like.. a volunteer may be able to assist you
[23:47] <rdunn19d> "The following errors occurred with your search
[23:47] <rdunn19d> The answer given for the random question was incorrect.
[23:47] <rdunn19d> "
[23:47] <holstein> rdunn19d: what search?
[23:47] <holstein> how can i help you?
[23:47] <holstein> how can i volunteer assistance to you?
[23:47] <rdunn19d> "web browser" menu item broken
[23:48] <holstein> i would "fix" that however you like in xfce
[23:48] <holstein> you can edit the xfce menu, and make it "point to" whatever you like
[23:48] <holstein> https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[23:51] <holstein> you can also, test as a different user. you can test as the guest user.. i dont have enough information to speculate about what the actual issue is, but, you can reset to the default config for your user
[23:53] <rdunn19d> It's one small little anoyance I've had since installing this. "Web Browser" currently points to "exo-open --launch Web Browser %u". I installed Chrome (for my daughter) and made that the default browser just fine; worked great. Until last night. I did the software update, and next time she logged on, all of her desktop iocons were missing, her wallpapers were gone (she had one for each desktop), and when you click on Web Browser, it giv
[23:54] <holstein> yup.. sounds like more of a problem that you are sharing
[23:54] <holstein> "my web browser link is broken", now, is actually, an update seems to have broken large parts of the UI
[23:54] <holstein> anyways, what would i do? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:55] <holstein> i would see that no errors happen, and if they do, i would share them here, or in #xubuntu or #ubuntu if this channel is slow
[23:55] <holstein> i would, as i suggested earlier, test as another user.. this removes my current users config from the equation
[23:55] <rdunn19d> I can probably replace the desktop icons and she can redothe wallpaper. I know I can make "Web Browser" point to anything I want by changing the command, but I wanted to work "with" the system, instead of just replacing that command with the path the the Chrome executable.
[23:56] <holstein> if things are "normal" as other users, then, the issue is likely just in the user config, which, you can remove/rename/delete and have defaults rebuilt
[23:56] <holstein> rdunn19d: working "with the system" would likely look more like, just using the default browser
[23:57] <holstein> rdunn19d: if you want to change the browser, you can, and again, i dont have enough information to speculate about why the menu item isnt working as expected | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.591463 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-news | [09:57] * PaulW2U counts summaries - 9 still to be done
[16:28] <pleia2> thanks PaulW2U
[16:34] <ahoneybun> done 3
[16:35] <pleia2> \o/
[16:42] <ahoneybun> 4 done
[16:42] <ahoneybun> in total | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.593578 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-gr | [07:01] <PaNoSBuG> γεια σας!
[07:01] <PaNoSBuG> μπορω να σας ζαλισω λιγο?
[07:02] <kerato> koimountai oloi
[07:12] <PaNoSBuG> να ζαλισω εσενα?
[07:12] <kerato> pes
[07:19] <PaNoSBuG> λοιπον..... αρχιζω
[07:20] <PaNoSBuG> εχω το lenovo ideapad 10 s με 1g μνηνη και 160 σκληρο
[07:21] <PaNoSBuG> φοραει γνησια win 7 starter (δεν ξερω γιατι)
[07:21] <PaNoSBuG> με αποτελεσμα να σερνεται
[07:21] <PaNoSBuG> θελω
[07:21] <PaNoSBuG> να βαλω ubuntu ή xubuntu
[07:22] <PaNoSBuG> τα πρωτα δεν μπαινουν λογο χαμηλης αναλυσης..... νομιζω????????
[07:22] <PaNoSBuG> τα δευτερα δεν εχουν αρκετα apps για να μπορω να δουλευω σαν σερφ και σαν γραφειο
[07:23] <PaNoSBuG> μηπως υπαρχουν ubuntu για netbook
[07:23] <PaNoSBuG> οπως το δικο μου δλδ χαμηλη αναλυση που να μπορει να υποστιρηξη και εφαρμογες windows???
[07:23] <PaNoSBuG> δλδ να εχει μεσα το wine αν δεν κανω λαθος
[07:25] <PaNoSBuG> πχ να μπορω να βαλω τα εξης: skype, oovoo, μtorrent κτλ (το serviio το βρηκα και ειναι καθαρο linux)
[07:25] <PaNoSBuG> διοτι θελω να το κανω και σαν server για τηλεοραση - κατεβαστηρι :)
[07:26] <PaNoSBuG> ααααυταααα!
[07:27] <kerato> de nomizw oti den mpainoun logw xamilis analyshs
[07:27] <kerato> dokimase me ena live cd/usb
[07:28] <kerato> epishs to xubuntu mporei na treksei oles tis efarmoges apo ta ubuntu repositories
[07:28] <kerato> ta idia apo8ethria exoun
[07:29] <PaNoSBuG> κοιτα δεν μπορω να κατεβασω απο πουθενα εκδοση netbook ubuntu
[07:29] <PaNoSBuG> μονο desktop βρηκα
[07:29] <PaNoSBuG> ακομα και στο επισημο site
[07:29] <PaNoSBuG> και αν δεις spec το γραφει καθαρα μισο....
[07:30] <PaNoSBuG> http://prntscr.com/6vjdtc
[07:30] <kerato> wraia vale to xubuntu pou kollas
[07:31] <PaNoSBuG> εγω θελω αυτο http://prntscr.com/6vjdyn αλλα δεν υπαρχει πουθενα στον κοσμο ή απλα δεν το βρισκω!
[07:33] <PaNoSBuG> δλδ μου λες οτι τα xubuntu εχουν τα drivers τις ιδιες εφαρμογες για το λαπτοπακι μου?
[07:34] <kerato> nai
[07:34] <kerato> den yparxei pia netbook edition, afou to leei
[07:35] <kerato> an eissai ligaki eksoikeiwmenos kane ena minimum install kai vale xfce h' mate me to tasksel
[07:35] <kerato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[07:36] <PaNoSBuG> δεν ειμαι με linux ....
[07:43] <kerato> edw pou ta leme pantws re filarangki oti kai na valeis
[07:43] <kerato> me 1 Gb ram mono
[07:43] <kerato> otan pas na anoikseis kamia selida me flash h kana facebook
[07:43] <kerato> 8a sernetai
[07:43] <kerato> den yparxei swthria
[07:48] <PaNoSBuG> :) το ξερωω! ψαχνω για 2g ram για το lenovo αλλα ειναι πανακριβες!
[07:48] <PaNoSBuG> βρηκα πριν καιρο μια 15 ευρω αλλα την πειρε αλλος για 20 !@#$%^!!!
[19:31] <pc_magas> Καλησπέρα | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.608663 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-dk | [21:53] <Ubuntubruger6> hej | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.609667 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-hr | [07:14] <Vlado9A3CY> dobro jutro
[07:18] <markosejic> d jutro
[07:18] <Vlado9A3CY> jutro markosejic
[07:18] <markosejic> Vlado9A3CY, pozz
[07:18] <Vlado9A3CY> odoh kavu kuhati, brb ;)
[07:18] <markosejic> gledam na youtube nesto o Wickr
[07:48] <SilverSpace> dan
[08:02] <Mmike> SilverSpace, kad je?
[08:31] <SilverSpace> Mmike: 17h jos nije
[08:32] <SilverSpace> :)
[08:33] <SilverSpace> joj ne smijem Franka pustit pred dell monitor sveg mi popljuje od smijeha
[08:33] <SilverSpace> gleda youtube
[09:49] <Mmike> Imam pgdump, plain sql - 18 GB.
[09:49] <Mmike> Gzip ga gzipne na 3 GB.
[09:49] <Mmike> xz ga xzjne na 500MB :)
[09:51] <jelly> a za koliko vremena?
[09:57] <Mmike> jelly, pun kufer. ovo je jos 12.04 ubuntu koji nema pxz, nego je single core bilo
[09:57] <Mmike> jelly, 6 sati
[09:57] <Mmike> neznma koji cpu
[09:58] <Mmike> jer mi idijotski vmware to nece rec
[09:58] <Mmike> a nemrem se spojit sshjem gore jere je netko to ublokirao
[09:58] <Mmike> a gui client iz nekog razloga ne radi
[09:58] <Mmike> taj vmware ce tak otic u ropotarnicu, i dobit ce kvm
[09:58] <Mmike> ak bas inzistiraju na glupim virtualkama
[10:00] <jelly> eh, kakve onda koristi
[10:01] <jelly> onda mozes uzeti one maratonske programe koji traju mjesec dana al komprimiraju na 200MB
[10:22] <markosejic> d dan
[10:28] <frainfreeze> bok.
[10:32] <markosejic> frainfreeze, pozz
[11:01] <Mmike> jelly, sad cemo vidjet kak pxz do napravi
[11:23] <Mmike> http://www.jutarnji.hr/ispovijest-ugledne-profesorice--imam-68-godina--a-vec-pola-stoljeca-svaki-dan-pusim-travu--evo-sto-mi-se-dogodilo-/1333719/
[11:33] <jelly> > travu nabavlja od istog dilera već 35 godina
[11:34] <frainfreeze> Kladim se da je ad lik najebo.
[11:36] <Mmike> handbrake mi enkoodira samo prvih 5 minuta videa
[11:36] <Mmike> nemrem skuzit zasto
[11:38] <Mmike> http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/ministar-mrsic-hitno-operiran-u-kbcu-zagreb/815244.aspx
[11:38] <Mmike> Operaciju priraslica na tankom crijevu obavio je pročelnik Zavoda za hepatobilijarnu kirurgiju i transplantaciju abdominalnih organa prof. dr. Mate Škegro.
[11:38] <Mmike> taj je meni zuc izvadio :)
[11:40] <SilverSpace> muuu
[11:41] <SilverSpace> kormorač mi je pravo otkrice za salatu
[11:43] <SilverSpace> kormorac krastavac cesnjak chery rajcica bucino ulje i malcheto
[11:43] <SilverSpace> uh
[11:45] <jelly> komorač mi se onak, gadi (u istri ga ima posvud i svuda se koristi)
[11:46] <jelly> Mmike: škegro je mnogima vadio žuč :-)
[11:46] * Mmike isto nikak nije fan komoraca
[11:47] <Mmike> nekak mi dodje muka od istog :)
[11:47] <SilverSpace> meni odlican
[11:47] <SilverSpace> u salati
[11:48] <SilverSpace> Mmike: nisi jucer gledao kvale
[11:48] <SilverSpace> dobre bile
[11:48] <SilverSpace> jedva cekam utrku
[11:48] <SilverSpace> kratim vrijeme moto utrkama :)
[11:48] <Mmike> SilverSpace, a nisam
[11:48] <Mmike> kak je krenulo i danas na utrci cu bit kod stare
[11:49] <Mmike> nemam pojma dal 'ima super-duper paket
[11:49] <Mmike> SilverSpace, fino se vetellko ugurao
[11:49] <Mmike> a kaj je s kimijem?
[11:49] <Mmike> i jos bolje
[11:49] <Mmike> kaj je s gumbekom?
[11:49] <SilverSpace> jobo moto utrke na kraju utrke skoto uvijek dode do tucnjave izmedu prvog i drugog
[11:50] <SilverSpace> Mmike: mclaren ne valja
[11:50] <SilverSpace> honda koma
[11:51] <SilverSpace> a kimi ? ne moze dobit vettela mada bi trebao ga dobiti jer je duze u ferrariu
[11:51] <SilverSpace> vettel fantasticno vozi
[11:51] <SilverSpace> da nemaju manjak snage u motorima od mecke bili bi ispred
[11:52] <Mmike> brijem da alonso zvace volane svaki dan od muke :)
[11:52] <SilverSpace> :)
[11:52] <SilverSpace> opet ga snimili kako ide i gleda u box ferraria
[11:56] <jelly> što više kišnih utrka to bolje za škuderiju ferari
[11:57] <SilverSpace> cisto sumnjam u kisu danas :)
[12:01] <jelly> kad je utrka
[12:11] <Mmike> pih
[12:11] <Mmike> ovaj pxz opce ne koristi sve jezgre
[12:11] <Mmike> nego sam 2
[12:11] <Mmike> i to ne uvijek
[12:15] <Mmike> sale, ping
[12:20] <Mmike> jelly, kaj je umro jebomepas?
[12:21] <Mmike> dns prdnijo
[12:21] <jelly> hmm
[12:21] <Mmike> jelly, lrzip = kompresira duplo brze od xz, a radi duplo manji file (testirao na 200MB sourcea od glancea, zajedno sa python virtualenvom - hrpa .py i .pyc fajlova, poneki .so)
[12:21] <jelly> jebo me pas, ak je domena istekla nisu mi rekli
[12:22] <Mmike> Domain Expiration Date:20-Sep-2015 11:44:56 UTC
[12:22] <jelly> lrzip ima optimizacije da nadje slicne komade koji su jako udaljeni
[12:22] <Mmike> yup
[12:22] <Mmike> sto je ok
[12:22] <Mmike> super je sto je fakat brz
[12:22] <Mmike> mislim
[12:22] <Mmike> :) u usporedbi sa xzom
[12:22] <jelly> tako da s njim mozes dobiti blesavo dobre rezultate ako kompresiras npr. 20 razlicitih kernel treejeva u jednu arhivu
[12:23] <Mmike> xz za tih 200 megi glance sourcea opce nije koristio vise CPUova
[12:23] <Mmike> sad cu ga bas upregnit u 15GB postgres dump
[12:23] <Mmike> ima i onaj kgb, to nisam proboa jos
[12:24] <Mmike> mario@BUNTOR ~> kgb --help
[12:24] <Mmike> Option --help ignored
[12:24] <Mmike> beh
[12:25] <jelly> nego, ak prelazim sa pg 9.1 (wheezy) na pg 9.4 (jessie), oce to zahtijevati dump i import ili neko zesce pretakanje baze?
[12:25] <Mmike> da
[12:25] <Mmike> dump i import
[12:25] <Mmike> imas onaj pg_upgrader (ili kako vec)
[12:25] <Mmike> koji ti 'on line' napravi pretvorbu
[12:25] <Mmike> u biti skopira 9.1 datadir u 9.4 datadir
[12:26] <Mmike> pa je to drasticno brze
[12:26] <Mmike> kaj ti je u bazi?
[12:26] <Mmike> ak heavily useas storane procedure i neke nestandardne jezike, sansa je dash ih morat napisat opet
[12:26] <Mmike> ili makar popravit
[12:26] <Mmike> ako je plain sql, vjerojatno ce raditi
[12:26] <Mmike> ako je plpgsql, moguce da neke stvari nece raditi
[12:26] <Mmike> nemam pojma kaj u 9.4 ima tak jako novo sql-wize
[12:27] <Mmike> btw, lik s kojim sam bio u nirnbergu, cileanac, si je dobar frend s Alvarom Hereirom (ili kako vec), jednim od pg core developera :)
[12:27] <Mmike> MALI SVIJET :D
[12:30] <Mmike> "Uradio sam kaj si pisao i uspeo sam instalirat"
[12:30] <Mmike> :)
[12:32] <jelly> cisti sql, nista storanih procedura
[12:33] <Mmike> onda bi trebalo da radi
[12:34] <Mmike> vidi release notes od 9.4
[12:34] <Mmike> just in case
[12:34] <Mmike> da nebi bilo da koristis rtree indexe, npr, kojih, npr, vise nema
[12:34] <Mmike> ili tak neki quirk
[12:34] <Mmike> kol'ko ti je velika baza?
[12:38] <jelly> cca 15GB
[12:38] <jelly> tj. bila je toliko dok data owner nije napravio DELETE FROM dve_najvece_tablice;
[12:38] <jelly> sad ne znam koliko je, zauzima istih 15GB na disku :-)
[12:38] <Mmike> jel' ti upaljen autovaacum?
[12:39] <jelly> nije
[12:39] <Mmike> upali ga
[12:39] <jelly> bar mislim da nije
[12:39] <Mmike> sad ga potjeraj na ruke
[12:39] <Mmike> smanjit ce ti datadir
[12:39] <jelly> kak?
[12:39] * jelly tudum za Pg
[12:39] <Mmike> vacuumdb -avz
[12:39] <Mmike> k'o postgres system user
[12:39] <Mmike> trajat ce neko vrijeme i opteretit stroj
[12:40] <Mmike> pa ak imas super-duper bitne stvari sad, mozda bolje pricekat noc
[12:40] <Mmike> al' ak je default 9.1 instalacija, onda ti je autovacuum upaljen
[12:41] <jelly> pa je as much default as possible
[12:41] <Mmike> dump/import ce ti jos vise kompaktirat bazu jer ce ti izgenerirat indexe i sve iznova, pa ak ti se da cekat... mosh i koristit pg_dump -Ft, onda ce ti pg_restore moc 'restaurirat' tablice, constrainte i indexe u paraleli (pg_restore -j10, recimo)
[12:41] <jelly> mda, na virtualki koja ima mozda 2-3 vCpua
[12:42] <jelly> ok, vidit cemo koliko ce taj vacuum trajati
[12:42] <jelly> ionako sam okinuo snapshot prije, pa ak se i potrga nikom nista
[12:43] <Mmike> grep autovacuum /etc/postgresql/9.1 main ; grep autovacuum /var/log/postgresql/postgresql.log
[12:43] <Mmike> ili u psqlu: show autovacuum;
[12:43] <Mmike> ak su 2-3 vcpua onda pg_restore -j6
[12:43] <jelly> nisu neke bitne stvari, to su botovi sa #debian kanala... jedino sto prek tjedna nemam vremena to vrtit i gledat, pa bolje sad
[12:44] <jelly> ha, gotovo
[12:44] <jelly> nije bas pobrisao, mozda 1-2GB
[12:45] <jelly> al i to je bolje nego nis
[12:46] <SilverSpace> tko ce 17h docekat
[12:49] <frainfreeze> SilverSpace, što je u 17?
[12:49] <frainfreeze> Kraj posla?
[13:05] <Mmike> pa ovog vmwareta
[13:05] <jelly> vmware <3
[13:05] * jelly radi OS upgrade debian 6->7, 7->8 i hvata snapshot za svaki korak
[13:11] <jelly> Enable SSL by default in new PostgreSQL clusters?
[13:11] <jelly> hm
[13:24] <Mmike> jelly, 15GB sql dump, pigz ga skompresira u 6 gigi za cca 3 minute (i7 8 cores), pbzip2 u 3 gige za cca 15 minuta, a lrzip sa -l (lzo) kompresijom u 800 megi u 8 minuta!
[13:24] <Mmike> sad cu probat paq kompresiju za lrzipom
[13:24] <Mmike> pre dobar je lrzip
[13:24] <Mmike> doduse, 15 gigi rama mi je oteo :D
[13:27] <jelly> dakle gzip i dalje rulz :-)
[13:28] <jelly> osim ak si neki siromah sa bendvitom a imas RAMe na bacanje
[13:29] <jelly> hmm, nije mi migrirao bazu na 9.4, ostavio je 9.1 gore
[13:30] <jelly> aha.
[13:30] <jelly> Once the operating system upgrade is finished, you should plan to also upgrade your PostgreSQL 9.1 database clusters to the new PostgreSQL version 9.4 using the pg_upgradecluster tool
[13:31] <Mmike> hmn
[13:31] <Mmike> pg_upgradecluster je nesh novo
[13:31] <Mmike> debianovo
[13:31] <Mmike> nisam to nikad koristio
[13:31] <Mmike> vjerojatno pokrene pgupgrade
[13:32] <Mmike> sad ti je 9.1 na tcp/5432 a 9.4 na tcp/5433
[13:32] * Mmike skida vmware
[13:32] <Mmike> brijem da nijie nist bolji od kvma
[13:41] <Mmike> jelly, 12min za lrzip sa paq, 300 megi :)
[13:42] <Mmike> xz napravi 500 megi
[13:42] <Mmike> za tipa
[13:42] <Mmike> 5 sat
[13:42] <Mmike> sati
[13:43] <Mmike> idem sad probat isto na serveroshu doma, AMD neki dvojezgreni, 4 gige rama
[13:44] <jelly> e taj paqje neki perverzni algo koji je inace grozno spor
[13:45] <jelly> Mmike: da, pg_upgradecluster je to sve dumpao, importao, zamijenio portove, i na kraju veli "probaj da li radi, ak radi okini pg_dropcluster 9.1 main"
[13:46] <Mmike> jelly, da, samo sto lrzip pregleda sve kaj ima, sortira, i onda veli paqu 'aj to i to i to i to', i onda je paq ok brz a jebeno kompresira
[13:46] <Mmike> jelly, dump/import ili pgupgrader?
[13:46] <jelly> koliko sam vidio po procesima koji su se vrtili, dump i restore je radio
[13:48] <Mmike> istovremeno?
[13:48] <Mmike> ili jedno po jedno?
[13:50] <jelly> istovremeno
[13:51] <jelly> http://jebo.me/pas/5
[13:52] <jelly> samo sam zaboravio instalirati plugin za custom data pa sad moram iznova
[14:36] <SilverSpace> joj
[15:05] <jelly> cek, s kojeg je startao kimi
[16:33] <SilverSpace> jelly: 4
[16:35] <jelly> neloš
[16:42] <SilverSpace> gdje je vettel toliko puno izgubio
[16:50] <jelly> svugdje po malo
[17:00] <SilverSpace> aa vidim sad morao nos promjeniti
[17:03] <SilverSpace> ne mogu otljucati bootloader jer vipp zakljucao da se do njega uopce ne moze doci
[17:03] <SilverSpace> a bez njega ne mogu room promjeniti
[17:05] <jelly> ak je istekao ugovor mozes traziti da ti omoguce otkljucavanje, evropa ih tjera da to moraju
[17:05] <jelly> doduse to se odnosi na SIM lock, sigurno ce se praviti blesavi za ovo
[17:06] <SilverSpace> jelly: da i sony ti da broj za otkljucavanje ali ako ne mozes uc nemozes broj unjeti
[17:06] <SilverSpace> kvaka
[17:07] <SilverSpace> doduse rootao sam ga
[17:07] <SilverSpace> to bez problema ide
[17:27] <SilverSpace> Bootloader unlock allowed: No – ne može da se otključa (ubijte se)
[17:27] <SilverSpace> :)
[18:55] <SilverSpace> motoGP samo kaj nije pocela
[18:56] <infy-> nema dd na routeru
[18:56] <infy-> strasno
[18:57] <infy-> nemos dumpat fs :(
[19:05] <jelly> imas cat
[19:05] <jelly> u krajnjoj liniji imas shell i serijski port
[19:12] <SilverSpace> lol liku se zapalio motot i likik ne kuzi sve dok mu mije guma pukla
[19:17] <SilverSpace> Norveška će biti prva zemlja koja gasi FM radio i to već 2017. godine
[19:22] <spawn> vening
[19:22] <SilverSpace> ke
[19:22] <markosejic> d vecer
[19:40] <SilverSpace> koja borba
[19:40] <SilverSpace> odlicna utrka
[19:42] <SilverSpace> the doktors 84 pobjeda
[20:01] <Mmike> jelly, Amd neki dualcore (amd2 socket), 4 gige rama = pbzip2 je radio 2 i pol sata (3.6 giga file), lrzip je radio 80 minuta i napravio 500 GB file
[20:02] <Mmike> brijem da je lrzip novi archiving tool
[20:03] <jelly> steta sto ga niko ne koristi jer je xz good enough
[20:03] <jelly> a "isti algoritam"
[20:09] <Mmike> xz/pxz je streaming
[20:09] <Mmike> lrzip bas i nije koliko vidim
[20:10] <Mmike> mora imat fajl
[20:10] <Mmike> pa odna njega secira
[20:10] <Mmike> sto, recimo, za innobackupex ne smeta
[20:10] <Mmike> za pgdump malo da, al' dobro
[21:48] <SilverSpace> rtl2
[21:48] <SilverSpace> ko nije gledao | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.625671 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-discuss | [03:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[09:27] <lordievader> Good mornign.
[09:27] <lordievader> morning*
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> afternoon to all
[10:58] <lordievader> o/
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: hello mate
[11:04] <lordievader> How are you doing this sunday?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> fine, sunny what about you?
[11:05] <lordievader> Doing okay, messing with thinclients while part of X/KDE is compiling.
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> nice
[11:10] <lordievader> So what are you up to today?
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> chillin on sundays :p
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> and little irc support
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> and reading ubuntu news
[11:12] <lordievader> Nice, nice.
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> i like the softpedia website
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/customization/screenshots/nix/?q=gentoo
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> whats your desktop look like :p
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: http://i.imgur.com/47iXQaS.jpg
[11:23] <lordievader> Pretty standard KDE desktop here.
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> okay :p a workers desktop
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> i like eyecandy on ubuntu
[11:24] <lordievader> Blegh, unity :P
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> lool
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> i kinda got used to unity now
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> the only thing i was angry about is my bottom dock on gnome...
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> wished unity left the user the choice when to put sidebar
[11:26] <MonkeyDust> it's because of the ubuntu mobile phone, that the dock is on the left
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: yeah on the phone its nicely
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: but i would love it at bottom on my desktop
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> i loved it for years on gnome
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> in time, the desktop and the phone will be one, so the say, with a dock to place the phone in
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> so to say*
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: yeah like that first phone they wanted to crowdfund once
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> desktop and mobile everywhere
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> i always forget its name :p
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:50] <lordievader> o/
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hey lordievader
[12:51] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> fine thanks, and you?
[12:53] <lordievader> Doing good here ;)
[13:02] <BluesKaj> hey E
[13:03] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^ :)
[13:08] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj :)
[13:10] <BluesKaj> just did a successful release-upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04 , went quite smoothly and so far so good, no crashes
[13:10] <EriC^^> cool
[13:10] <BluesKaj> on Kubuntu
[13:10] <lordievader> \o/
[13:22] <MonkeyDust> i'm upgrading 15.04 in vmware, as we speak
[13:25] <BluesKaj> vmware, hmm , was 14.10 working ok MonkeyDust?
[13:40] <MonkeyDust> never tried it, my host is 14.04, skipped 14.10, even in vmware
[13:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:41] <MonkeyDust> and i have windows xp, vista and 7 in virtualbox... don't need or use it, just fun to have it ;)
[13:42] <BluesKaj> using 2 hdds here, one for stable and the other for dev OSs
[13:42] <MonkeyDust> like: "why? because I can"
[13:44] <BluesKaj> ran Wt7 as guest on qemu-kvm and it ran fine except for the virt bridge which worked fine the internet connection , but failed to see the other windows pcs on the LAN
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> your setup is much more elaborate than mine, apparentally
[13:46] <BluesKaj> then realized I didn't need a windows installl at all, the linux OSs see and share files just fine with the other windows pcs
[13:47] <BluesKaj> migt even dump windows on the laptop
[13:48] <BluesKaj> not elaborate, just 3 computers on the LAN
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> i have one frankenstein-laptop, with external screen and keyboard... after i spilled coffee over it
[14:18] <BluesKaj> I've seen a method to clean sticky beverages including coffee on laptop KBs, but it's rather labour intensive
[15:02] <MonkeyDust> it's comforting that i'm not the only one... | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.631631 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu | [00:06] <randompersonbob> Hello!
[00:07] <hkrrsx> hi
[00:07] <randompersonbob> I need some help...
[00:07] <MirodroidU2> dont ask just to ask
[00:08] <MirodroidU2> state your problem
[00:08] * MirodroidU2 leaves in a huffy puff
[00:08] <randompersonbob> I installed ubuntu today, and I need to connect to the internet, my ethernet port is broken on my laptop so it needs to be over wireless
[00:08] <ws2k3> can fdisk -l show zfs partitions?
[00:10] <randompersonbob> I can see a way to add a connection, but I can't figure it out. No select wifi from list and enter password... like other linux distro's I have used
[00:12] <edition> why doesn't chainloader work with the windows 7 boot manager EFI?
[00:12] <infinitesum> How do I update my python3 from 3.4.0 to 3.4.3?
[00:12] <randompersonbob> DO I need to install a driver of some sort?
[00:14] <hkrrsx> ws2k3: It looks like the command "zpool" is your friend on ZFS .... have a peek at this: http://www.latentexistence.me.uk/zfs-and-ubuntu-home-server-howto/
[00:15] <hkrrsx> !networkmanager | randompersonbob
[00:16] <randompersonbob> ubotto: thanks I will have a look. Just on my win right now and would have to reboot so I will look later
[00:16] <hkrrsx> !thanks | randompersonbob
[00:17] <teaforone> hi i'm trying to run tf2 in ubu 14.10 and i get a steam error opengl can't be found?
[00:17] <randompersonbob> okay...
[00:17] <teaforone> trying to run tf2 as a test of my r9 270
[00:17] <kostkon> randompersonbob, it's really a bot
[00:18] <teaforone> says my opengl driver is out of date, i'm using the open radeo drivers
[00:18] <teaforone> radeon*
[00:18] <kostkon> randompersonbob, you probably need to install the driver for your wireless
[00:19] <randompersonbob> what is the easiest way of doing that if I don't have network on th ubuntu...
[00:19] <kostkon> randompersonbob, oh right, your lan port is broken
[00:19] <danieljmild> hi all, first time on here.
[00:20] <kostkon> randompersonbob, you'll probably need to boot into ubuntu and come back here again to ask for help
[00:20] <kostkon> randompersonbob, if you've got more than 1 PC that is
[00:20] <randompersonbob> Ican't get here form ubuntu...
[00:20] <danieljmild> does anyone know how to change folder icons in xubuntu?
[00:20] <randompersonbob> not here...
[00:21] <randompersonbob> I could download tthe drivers on the windows put them on usb then install them on ubuntu?
[00:22] <randompersonbob> Seems to use dpkg or something?
[00:23] <kostkon> randompersonbob, first of all we need to know the hardware, you could give this command: lspci | grep -i network also iwconfig make a note of the output and come back here
[00:23] <randompersonbob> sure
[00:24] <hkrrsx> danieljmild: Try going to Settings Manager -> Appearance -> Icons (tab)
[00:25] <kostkon> randompersonbob, also the output of nm-tool if you like
[00:33] <randompersonbob> I'm back
[00:33] <randompersonbob> lspci | grep -i network 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n
[00:34] <randompersonbob> iwconfig eth0 no wireless extensions. lo no wireless extensions.
[00:37] <kostkon> randompersonbob, ubutnu 14.04?
[00:37] <randompersonbob> yep
[00:37] <randompersonbob> downloaded yesterday
[00:37] <I-am-Groot> !u
[00:38] <kostkon> randompersonbob, looks like the bug is still there http://wiki.beyondlogic.org/index.php?title=Ubuntu14.04_Acer_Aspire_V5_571_Broadcom_BCM43228_WiFi
[00:39] <kostkon> randompersonbob, you could try getting the linux-headers package or at least try reinstalling the bcmwl-kernel-source package
[00:40] <randompersonbob> My computer is Acer V5 571...
[00:40] <randompersonbob> okay I will do that, where can I downloaad the packages from...
[00:43] <randompersonbob> Since my network port is bad?
[00:44] <kostkon> randompersonbob, before doing that, just try this: give this command: sudo apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source then click on your network icon again, see if anything has changed. If not, reboot your system and check again.
[00:45] <randompersonbob> okay
[00:49] <alteregoa> just installed bununu 15.04 final to beta
[00:49] <kostkon> alteregoa, #ubuntu+1 for 15.04 support
[00:50] <randompersonbob> Back again..
[00:51] <randompersonbob> sudo apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source
[00:51] <randompersonbob> E: Unable to locate package bcmwl-kernel-source
[00:51] <kostkon> randompersonbob, hmm that's not good
[00:52] <MirodroidU2> ouch
[00:52] <MirodroidU2> yea
[00:52] <MirodroidU2> not good at all
[00:52] <MirodroidU2> i hate broadcom cards T_T
[00:53] <kostkon> randompersonbob, you can get it from here i guess, then install it like this: sudo dpkg -i name_of_package.deb hopefully it will not complain about missing dependencies
[00:53] <kostkon> randompersonbob, http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/bcmwl-kernel-source
[00:54] <hkrrsx> bbl
[00:54] <kostkon> randompersonbob, I'm assuming you;ve installed the 14.04.2 ISO
[00:56] <dalnet> freenode is history
[00:56] <dalnet> just go to dalnet
[00:56] <dalnet> this satan church server
[00:56] <dalnet> irc.dal.net
[00:56] <dalnet> irc.dal.net
[00:58] <ryclik> Anyone ever heard of the hdparm command hanging? It won't respond to SIGTERM or SIGKILL
[00:59] <ryclik> I've lost access to my hard drive because of this lol
[01:00] <randompersonbob> I honestly don't know what version it is. ISO filename: ubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso I got my dad to download it yesterday
[01:01] <kostkon> randompersonbob, oh it's 14.10 not 14.04
[01:02] <kostkon> randompersonbob, then here http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/bcmwl-kernel-source
[01:02] <randompersonbob> Download page says 14.04.2
[01:02] <randompersonbob> but I am probably wrong
[01:02] <kostkon> randompersonbob, http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/amd64/bcmwl-kernel-source/download
[01:03] <randompersonbob> Downloaded it
[01:04] <kostkon> randompersonbob, sudo dpkg -i bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.248+bdcom-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb to install it
[01:04] <randompersonbob> Thanks
[01:04] <randompersonbob> I will be back
[01:10] <supay> hey, any idea how to fix this unmet dependency? :(
[01:10] <supay> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BFMQKrmH
[01:10] <randompersonbob> I am back
[01:10] <randompersonbob> Selecting previously unselected package bcmwl-kernel-source. (Reading database ... 168187 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.248+bdcom-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb ... Unpacking bcmwl-kernel-source (6.30.223.248+bdcom-0ubuntu1) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of bcmwl-kernel-source: bcmwl-kernel-source depends on dkms; however: Package dkms is not install
[01:11] <randompersonbob> Sums it up: I need the package dkms
[01:12] <ryclik> supay: install libappindicator1
[01:12] <MonkeyDust> randompersonbob follow the instruction: sudo apt-get -f install
[01:12] <supay> ryclik: apt-get install libappindicator1 ?
[01:12] <ryclik> yes
[01:13] <ryclik> if that doesn't work, try "apt-get -f install libappindicator1" as it suggests
[01:13] <Bashing-om> supay: What results : sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get install libappindicator1 .
[01:13] <randompersonbob> MonkeyDust What does that do?
[01:13] <supay> ryclik: hm, i guess it worked. :O
[01:13] <supay> thats a first
[01:14] <ryclik> supay: ;)
[01:14] <supay> thanks ryclik :D
[01:14] <ryclik> fosho.
[01:14] <MonkeyDust> randompersonbob -f means fix
[01:14] <kostkon> randompersonbob, it gets rather complicated now, you'll need to download all the deps for dkms, e.g. gcc, then all the deps for gcc and so on. Not workable.
[01:14] <randompersonbob> ...
[01:17] <MonkeyDust> randompersonbob "sudo apt-get -f install", without package name and without quotes
[01:18] <randompersonbob> okay be back again in 5
[01:18] <kostkon> MonkeyDust, it was a manual dpkg -i install
[01:21] <kostkon> randompersonbob, what's exactly wrong with your lan port
[01:22] <MonkeyDust> randompersonbob try sudo dpkg -a --configure
[01:23] <randompersonbob_> DId the -f thing
[01:24] <randompersonbob_> sudo apt-get -f install
[01:25] <awatt> hey we have a guest wifi which need a password , i dont know when/where i have to put the password. it shows connected but i cant browse
[01:26] <awatt> ?
[01:26] <awatt> its like timhorton wifi
[01:27] <kostkon> randompersonbob_, the messages you missed: <kostkon> randompersonbob, what's exactly wrong with your lan port <MonkeyDust> randompersonbob try sudo dpkg -a --configure
[01:28] * Mirodroid wonders what is wrong with the lan port too
[01:28] <JinjaNinja> I know there aren't any XBox emulators (or at least, that I know of), for linux, but theoretically, couldn't I run an XBox Emulator for windows through Wine in linux?
[01:29] * randompersonbob_ does not really know what is wrong. It doesn't show lights on the port and doesn't work in windows or ubuntu or other linus distros. it isn't the cable or router conection (tried many)
[01:29] <randompersonbob_> Just broken?
[01:30] <svetlana> awatt, point your browser to 192.168.0.1 or 10.0.0.1, maybe it asks for password there. ask other wifi users where they enter the pass.
[01:30] <kostkon> randompersonbob_, maybe somehow it got disabled in your bios
[01:31] <kostkon> randompersonbob_, that's one possibility
[01:31] <randompersonbob_> I don't think so, I did have a little look; it is like this on my laptop: http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products/xl/172340-6.jpg
[01:31] <JinjaNinja> Could I run a game emulator built for windows through Wine on linux?
[01:32] <MrElendig> JinjaNinja: emulator for what?
[01:32] <kostkon> randompersonbob_, do you have that cable?
[01:32] <randompersonbob_> I could go try sudo dpkg -a --configure. And at the same time check the bios.
[01:33] <MrElendig> JinjaNinja: also check the application list at winehq
[01:33] <randompersonbob_> Yep :-)
[01:33] <JinjaNinja> MrElendig: For XBox
[01:33] <JinjaNinja> It's called Xeon
[01:34] <randompersonbob_> The VGA worka on that cable (second monitor is VGA)
[01:34] <Geo> Hi, I have a machine with two NICs, both connected to the internet (different routes). If the primary interface goes down (the default gw for routing), how can I tell ubuntu to roll back to the other interface?
[01:34] <JinjaNinja> MrElendig: Would Xeon work? It's an XBox emulator built for windows
[01:35] <MrElendig> 03:33:04 MrElendig ╡ JinjaNinja: also check the application list at winehq
[01:36] <JinjaNinja> Okay, I'll look
[01:37] <randompersonbob_> be back after looking for probs
[01:37] <awatt> hi
[01:38] <awatt> please help how to connect to open wifi for guest , which has passwords
[01:39] <kostkon> !details | awatt
[01:40] <awatt> kostkon, our house has open-wifi-guest but it needs a password too , when i choose that network it doesnt ask for password and it shows connected but i cant browse i can ping
[01:41] <Mirodroid> JinjaNinja, likely no
[01:42] <awatt> basically it shows connected but i cant browse
[01:43] <Geo> Hi, I have a machine with two NICs, both connected to the internet (different routes). If the primary interface goes down (the default gw for routing), how can I tell ubuntu to roll back to the other interface?
[01:43] <Mirodroid> JinjaNinja, also from what i see they are not even in Alpha stage
[01:43] <randompersonbob> Did I miss anything?
[01:43] <awatt> when i connected to that wifi with my phone it redirected me to some password page but not in my laptop
[01:44] <awatt> randompersonbob, my question
[01:44] <Mirodroid> JinjaNinja, try compiling this http://ngemu.com/threads/cxbx-svn.134417/
[01:44] <randompersonbob> nothing disabled in bios
[01:44] <randompersonbob> is that your question?
[01:45] <hkrrsx> hi
[01:45] <awatt> randompersonbob, no regarding wifi
[01:45] <randompersonbob> missedit then...
[01:45] <Mirodroid> randompersonbob, what is the output of sudo ifconfig
[01:45] <Mirodroid> !pastebin
[01:45] <awatt> randompersonbob, it is guest open wifi that requiers password
[01:46] <randompersonbob> yes
[01:46] <randompersonbob> dpkg -a ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/10848388/
[01:46] <awatt> Mirodroid, right now i am connected through my phone hotspot
[01:46] <randompersonbob> i can go back into ubuntu
[01:47] <awatt> let me check something
[01:50] <randompersonbob> should I check ifconfig?
[01:50] <mysupper> hello
[01:51] <c0mrad3> can any one help me with taking a screen shot
[01:51] <hkrrsx> !ask | c0mrad3
[01:51] <kostkon> c0mrad3, press the Prt Scr button on your keyboard
[01:52] <c0mrad3> well kostkon that doesn't work every time for example right click on a folder and try to take a screen shot, it doesn't take the photo well
[01:53] <kostkon> randompersonbob, it didn't install. Anyway, you could try: ifconfig, yes, and lspci | grep -i ethernet and nm-tool
[01:53] <c0mrad3> hkrrsx: I am sure that i asked the question in one line :)
[01:53] <kostkon> c0mrad3, what do you mean not well
[01:53] <hkrrsx> c0mrad3: Indeed you did :)
[01:54] <tenguix> Thinkpad edge e545 has a dual jack (input/output) and I can't for the life of me get the input working.
[01:54] <tenguix> Bought a splitter and everything :(.
[01:55] <tenguix> Thought for sure there was something I could do with pulseaudio but nothing seems to work. Anybody have any ideas?
[01:55] <kostkon> tenguix, has it got the mini-jack with the 3 rings
[01:55] <c0mrad3> kostkon: I didn't get you just right click on a folder and try pressing the print screen
[01:56] <tenguix> koston: I can't see the inside of the jack so I have no idea. Just has a symbol with headphones and a mic.
[01:57] <hkrrsx> c0mrad3: Have you used gnome-screenshot ?
[01:57] <kostkon> c0mrad3, oh you mean the menus. Then run the screenshot tool and tell it to take a screenshot with a delay
[01:57] <kostkon> tenguix, one jack for both?
[01:57] <tenguix> Indeed
[01:58] <kostkon> tenguix, ok and so the splitter you've bought has got a mini jack plug with 3 black rings on it?
[01:58] <tenguix> ... :| No; I now see that I bought a stereo cable.
[02:00] <c0mrad3> kostkon: thanks man that worked :)
[02:01] <kostkon> c0mrad3, and there's always Shutter if you are after an advanced screenshot tool
[02:01] <kostkon> !info shutter
[02:04] <tenguix> So I'd need the 4-pole adapter
[02:04] <kostkon> tenguix, yes :/
[02:05] <tenguix> koston: Well thank you man. I realized when I was plugging it in that it was missing a stripe and I was confused.
[02:05] <tenguix> Take care all
[02:08] <Jeeves_Moss> what is the default user/pass for the live CD to SSH into?
[02:09] <kostkon> Jeeves_Moss, a wild guess would be ubuntu for user and blank for pass. No idea though..
[02:09] <SchrodingersScat> where does duplicity put the signatures when it's saying it's putting them into local cache? .cache/duplicity seems to not be doing anything. worried about where this is going
[02:09] <Jeeves_Moss> kostkon, treid that.
[02:09] <awatt> hi
[02:09] <awatt> i cant browse
[02:10] <cross`> I think no one here used OTRS ? :)
[02:11] <kostkon> Jeeves_Moss, according to this http://wiredrevolution.com/ubuntu/how-to-ssh-into-ubuntu-livecd you need to set a pass for the ubuntu user first. Have you tried it already?
[02:12] <Jeeves_Moss> kostkon, nope. I had a Jr. tech head to the data center, and he forgot to do it.
[02:12] <awatt> hi guys
[02:12] <kostkon> Jeeves_Moss, it is needed it seems
[02:12] <Jeeves_Moss> yea, that's what I gathered. I didn't know if there was a round about way of doing it.
[02:12] <Mirodroid> awatt, are you random*****
[02:12] <awatt> funny problem i cant browse but i am connected to internet
[02:13] <Mirodroid> DNS issues
[02:13] <kostkon> awatt, what happens when you try to load a page in firefox
[02:13] <Mirodroid> likely
[02:13] <hkrrsx> Mirodroid: +1
[02:13] <awatt> Mirodroid, not loading
[02:13] <Mirodroid> hkrrsx, oi prefer 0 please
[02:13] <awatt> it says waiting for google.com
[02:13] <Mirodroid> then there is nothing to be shanked over
[02:13] <Mirodroid> :V
[02:13] <kostkon> awatt, it keeps trying to load the page or it gives you an error page
[02:14] <kostkon> awatt, ok. it could dns yeah
[02:14] <awatt> kostkon , how do i fix the dns?
[02:14] <kostkon> awatt, have you tried pinging the address, e.g. ping -c5 google.com
[02:15] <hkrrsx> Mirodroid: Ok, let's try it this way ...
[02:15] * hkrrsx agrees with Mirodroid on the DNS suggestion
[02:15] <awatt> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4005ms
[02:15] <awatt> kostkon, ^^
[02:16] <kostkon> awatt, interesting result
[02:16] <Mirodroid> interdasting
[02:16] <awatt> kostkon, yeah i dont know why i cant see the pages
[02:18] <kostkon> awatt, and i'll assume sudo apt-get update works fine
[02:18] <awatt> kostkon, let me check
[02:19] <awatt> kostkon, no
[02:19] <kostkon> awatt, it gets stuck?
[02:20] <awatt> kostkon, it is open wifi , but it also requiers password i dont know where i have to put it
[02:20] <awatt> kostkon, yes at 0%
[02:20] <awatt> kostkon, something like timhorton kinda deal
[02:21] <kostkon> awatt, click on your network icon, then on edit connections, find the connection in question and click on edit
[02:22] <awatt> kostkon, i m there
[02:26] <awatt> kostkon, in my phone it said login requied and i put the password , also when you connect open wifi in tim horton or starbucks there is same kinda deal
[02:27] <awatt> kostkon, but it wont ask me this in my laptop
[02:27] <kostkon> awatt, it should have asked you, yes.
[02:29] <awatt> kostkon, but it wont
[02:30] <awatt> kostkon, Connection failed [IP: 204.45.82.194 80]
[02:32] <likemindead> Trying to install Ubuntu via USB on an HP Mini 1000 netbook. It begins to boot, then black screen. I've tried the Ubuntu Startup Disk Creator & then Unetbootin. Same. Using a 4GB jump drive (FAT32). HALP?
[02:33] <awatt> kostkon, -- 204.45.82.194 ping statistics ---
[02:33] <awatt> 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3004ms
[02:33] <yoosi> I lost the icon for gnome-terminal in Ubuntu 14.10 (Unity). Please help me get it back.
[02:33] <yoosi> So far I have tried sudo apt-get purge gnome-terminal and re-installing it. No luck
[02:33] <awatt> kostkon, i can ping it but i cant download from it
[02:34] <lowpro> ping
[02:34] <kostkon> awatt, did you put the password in the connection settings window
[02:35] <kostkon> yoosi, search for it in the dash, drag it over to the launcher
[02:36] <yoosi> kostkon: Thank you but that isn't my issue. Instead of an icon I have a question mark on a grey tile.
[02:36] <kostkon> yoosi, what happens when you click on it
[02:36] <yoosi> kostkon: or when I search for Terminal in Dash I just see a white page
[02:37] <awatt> kostkon, it is open network , where exactly i have to put the passowrd and what security option
[02:37] <yoosi> kostkon: Terminal launches as usual. It is purely cosmetic
[02:37] <Mirodroid> likemindead, had a similar issue at SCALE
[02:37] <Mirodroid> i would get kicked for the solution that was found
[02:37] <Mirodroid> D:
[02:38] <awatt> kostkon, WEP?
[02:39] <locksmith> Hi
[02:39] <kostkon> yoosi, ok. delete the file in /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop be extremely careful make a backup of it and put it in your folder for just in case also, make sure that there isn't a duplicate in ~/.local/share/applications and then reinstall the package again
[02:40] <locksmith> can someone help me?
[02:40] <kostkon> awatt, try all the available options
[02:40] <kostkon> yoosi, home folder*
[02:40] <yoosi> kostkon: can I do this while I have terminal open?
[02:40] <jellow> !ask | locksmith
[02:40] <azizLIGHT> [Saint]: fyi, the TP-Link TL-WN725N you suggested as a work out of the box and cheap n wifi usb adaptor? it has 2 versions. version 1 is probably what you have and it works out the box. they changed chipset for version 2 (which i got) and its not so out of the box. they have misled people with the same model number. just fyi in case you recommend that one again :)
[02:40] <kostkon> yoosi, hopefully yes, there is always the TTY option
[02:41] <kostkon> yoosi, actually does the terminal window have a proper icon?
[02:41] <azizLIGHT> wgolden: the TP-Link TL-WN725N [Saint] suggested to buy, its got 2 versions. version 1 works out the box, version 2 does not unless you have a recent kernel. just fyi
[02:41] <kostkon> yoosi, i mean its window, i.e. when you start the terminal
[02:42] <wgolden> not sure which I got, but it worked out of the box :)
[02:42] <azizLIGHT> the only way to know is by the sticker on the packaging
[02:42] <azizLIGHT> i got mine out the garbage, i got version 2
[02:42] <locksmith> My question is: Does Ubuntu or Linux have a similar Filesystem like the OpenBSD encrypte filessytem where the User can Mount a filessytem to a single file which holds all the data and the file contents are encrypted? See http://homepage.boetes.org/documents/OpenBSDEncryptedFilesystemHOWTO.html
[02:42] <locksmith> I want to mount a encrypted filesystem with all the data being in a single file
[02:42] <kostkon> yoosi, it could also be a problem with your theme
[02:42] <wgolden> score! :D
[02:42] <azizLIGHT> version 2 is bad
[02:42] <azizLIGHT> for things like raspberry pi
[02:43] <azizLIGHT> with a older kernel
[02:43] <yoosi> kostkon: the sidebar launcher shows a grey square with a question mark when Terminal is launched. I just deleted the .desktop file
[02:43] <yoosi> kostkon: this problem occurs with the default Ubuntu theme as well as all other themes. The same is true for all icon packs
[02:43] <kostkon> yoosi, ok
[02:44] <jellow> !encrypt | locksmith
[02:45] <yoosi> kostkon: I assume I'll need a new .desktop file for Terminal. How do I get one?
[02:46] <jellow> locksmith: Let us know if you have specific questions regarding encrypted folders. :)
[02:46] <kostkon> yoosi, try reinstalling the package. you could clean your pacakge cache first just in case sudo apt-get clean
[02:46] <yoosi> okay. brb then.
[02:49] <locksmith> i more want to mount a encrypted FS in a file so I can move the file around and make backups?
[02:49] <locksmith> pretty much exactly what openbsd vnode fs does
[02:52] <yoosi> kostkon: no luck. this install is hours old. i'll just re-install. other things are going screwy as wel
[02:52] <yoosi> thanks for your help
[02:52] <kostkon> :/
[02:53] <q-bert> am i a newb or can getting java to work on linux be a nightmare :P
[02:53] <xangua> !java | q-bert
[02:53] <xangua> I would just install openjdk}
[02:54] <q-bert> yeah i was trying JRE
[02:54] <q-bert> following some steps i found online, no dice, so im trying these folks' method http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/install-oracle-java-8-in-ubuntu-via-ppa.html
[02:55] <q-bert> which is full JDK in this case but at this point as long as it works i'll be good
[02:55] <q-bert> it doesnt help that this ubuntu version is old (12.04)
[02:55] <Betelgeuce> hola
[02:55] <xangua> it's stable and supported
[02:59] <awatt> kostkon, nothing worked
[03:02] <q-bert> wow
[03:02] <q-bert> im having a stroke of bad luck
[03:02] <q-bert> my wifi dropped while i was using apt-get install
[03:02] <q-bert> now there are locks on various files
[03:02] <q-bert> pretty delicate
[03:05] <Betelgeuce> hello everybody
[03:06] <aeon-ltd> hi dr nick
[03:16] <bjgbob> Hi, I'm having a weird issue using headphones on my Lenovo laptop
[03:16] <bjgbob> the audio output is extremely quiet and somewhat distorted
[03:17] <bjgbob> I haven't changed anything AFAIK, and it's never been a problem before.
[03:17] <bjgbob> but speakers work fine. Any ideas?
[03:19] <aeon-ltd> different headphones?
[03:20] <aeon-ltd> some headphones need more power to drive them properly
[03:21] <bjgbob> these are the same 'phones I've always used though
[03:21] <bjgbob> hang on, I'll test them with my phone to make sure they work
[03:21] <aeon-ltd> if they are the same before this, this isn't the problem
[03:22] <bjgbob> yeah, they're still working fine
[03:22] <bjgbob> the problem persists after rebooting, btw
[03:30] <mcc> Hello, I asked this question in #kubuntu but could not get help... I think it is really just an apt-get question... I have an install CD, and it has a series of packages I want installed. if i say dpkg -i on one of them, it does not have dependencies (gcc).
[03:31] <mcc> the whole point of apt-get etc is to recursively install package dependencies, right? is there some way to use apt-get to recursively get all the .debs I need from this install CD (usb key)?
[03:31] <kostkon> bjgbob, nowadays pulseaudio can sense when headphones have been plugged in. Connect the phones, open your sound settings, check the volume levels.
[03:31] <mcc> note what i am really trying to do here is install my wireless drivers, which is why i can't just get it from the internet
[03:34] <bjgbob> kostkon, yes, that's working properly. Even with my headphone volume at 100%, it is quiet and distorted.
[03:34] <kostkon> bjgbob, can you go above 100%
[03:36] <bjgbob> I can go to 153% using pavucontrol, but it's still pretty quiet (maybe a normal 20% volume) and has extreme clipping and distortion.
[03:37] <samthewildone> I'm trying to use remmina remote desktop client and getting nowhere. I Just installed a kubuntu on my desktop and got the ip address of the machine and tried inputing the address in the rdp client but, get nothing.
[03:37] <samthewildone> I ping the ip address and get a connection but, cannot connect through remmina
[03:37] <samthewildone> !remmina
[03:39] <bjgbob> mcc, try gdebi
[03:39] <kostkon> bjgbob, hmm, check the volume levels in alsamixer.
[03:43] <mcc> bjgbob: hm, apparently kubuntu doesn't install that :( thanks tho
[03:44] <guardian99> do you guys recommend a layman (me) hosting their own business email on my website ubuntu server?
[03:45] <froyo> huh?
[03:45] <mcc> i am not qualified to answer that question but if it were me i would be nervous. i think hosting your own mailserver is hard/discouraged these days because of anti-spam federation.
[03:46] <froyo> You should have a good skill being a host of the email website, you will receive a lot of DdoS, bandwith war, spams and others.
[03:47] <froyo> You need to know how to prevent those stuff from happening to you.
[03:47] <bjgbob> kostkon, alsamixer gives me this strange screen: http://i.imgur.com/KM1WnVY.png
[03:47] <bjgbob> isn't it just supposed to have a mixer?
[03:47] <locksmith> qmail
[03:47] <kostkon> bjgbob, press F5
[03:48] <hosk> How is installing to eMMC chips on 14.x LTR or 15.x versions?
[03:48] <bjgbob> nothing happens except the text in the uppser left changes colour
[03:48] <bjgbob> s/uppser/upper
[03:49] <bjgbob> all becomes highlighted instead of playback
[03:49] <froyo> Is Ubuntu mix of Unity & Gnome ?
[03:49] <kostkon> bjgbob, press F6 to select the sound card and not the hdmi port
[03:50] <pino> ciao
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> !it | pino
[03:52] <bjgbob> kostkon, thanks. alsamixer is reporting the same values as pavucontrol and kmix
[03:53] <froyo> Is GTK 3.0 and qt4 & 5 use less resource?
[03:53] <froyo> Ubuntu is big and heavy for me..
[03:53] <kostkon> bjgbob, try changing the levels from there and test again afterwards
[03:53] <kostkon> !lubuntu | froyo
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | froyo
[03:54] <froyo> I know that both are lightweight? But which is the lightest? Since, pcmanfm and vlc already migrating to Qt
[03:55] <froyo> I don't know what is the reason..
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> froyo: whats your bottleneck exactly?
[03:55] <froyo> I'm sorry?
[03:55] <bjgbob> kostkon, no joy
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> froyo: what happens to your system exactly
[03:56] <kostkon> bjgbob, hmm ok
[03:56] <froyo> Nothing happened, just GTK 3.0 is slow for me.
[03:56] <froyo> and I don't know why pcmanfm migrating to Qt..
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> froyo: what about your overall system
[03:57] <froyo> is 32 bit, with 1 GB ram
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> froyo: maybe 1gig ram is low for a dev machine
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> froyo: try lubuntu as kostkon suggests
[03:58] <froyo> No...I'm just using the De's....not developing for them...
[03:58] <sysop2> hello! I installed ubuntu and this laptop with touchscreen and it came up fine, I then did apt-get install ubuntu-touch and rebooted, now I get a black screen on boot. I can get to a root prompt and I am installing the newest intel video drivers and updating all the packages, any other suggestions?
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> froyo: wich ubuntu version are you in right now?
[03:59] <froyo> It's 14 LTS
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: ubuntu touch cant be installed on a laptop
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: you need to install ubuntu desktop
[03:59] <sysop2> why not?
[03:59] <froyo> Why you install ubuntu-touch on a desktop?
[03:59] <sysop2> it has a touch screen?
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: ubuntu touch means, for mobile devices and tablets
[04:00] <froyo> Ubuntu-touch is configured for Phones...
[04:00] <sysop2> I then why have it as a package in the repos for desktops?
[04:00] <rofltech> sysop2: touch is for phones desktop is for full fledged computers
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> froyo: 14.04 desktop with unity?
[04:00] <froyo> I actually tty
[04:00] <froyo> but now..startx
[04:00] <sysop2> so you are saying there is no ubuntu touch screen interface for x86 tablets?
[04:00] <kostkon> bjgbob, wait, you said kmix? anything to do with phonon? it adds an extra layer to audio in kde afaik
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> froyo: startx is outdates use lightdm instead
[04:01] <froyo> I configure the grub and ppc confiq to disable quiet splash
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: on tablets you have to install ubuntu touch yes
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: but not all tablets, for now only nexus devices
[04:01] <froyo> lotus, actually...I choose startx because the parent widgets..it's pretty..
[04:02] <sysop2> nexus is not x86!
[04:02] <sysop2> its arm. forget arm!
[04:02] <froyo> I gonna say..I'm booting with text || CLI
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> froyo: anyway, i would suggest a lightweight Wm, try lubuntu-desktop from your existing install maybe?
[04:03] <froyo> When LXDE become wm? It's a DE or Wm? I stick with fluxbox and JWM actually.
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: all other dvices beside the nexus ones, you need to install ubuntu desktop
[04:03] <svetlana> froyo: it's a de
[04:04] <svetlana> maybe lxwm is a thing, i don't remember
[04:04] <sysop2> then why is ubuntu-touch in the repos? why does it have x86 packages compiled and available for me to brick my machine with?
[04:04] <svetlana> because all ubuntu editions use the same repos
[04:04] <froyo> svetlana, thanks for info
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: if you want to port your own device, try #snappy
[04:05] <froyo> Ubuntu-Touch don't have it's own repos yet (I hope it will be, since it's hard to find the suitable apps)
[04:05] <sysop2> yea but do you have to go to the trouble of compiling them for x86 if they are not usuable?
[04:06] <sysop2> do you see my point?
[04:06] <bjgbob> kostkon, I checked out the multimedia settings in system settings, but there isn't much useful there. It just shows that Phonon is using the GStreamer backend and lets me choose which devices to prefer for different audio types
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: again...for x86 you need ubuntu desktop, not touch
[04:06] <kostkon> bjgbob, ok
[04:06] <svetlana> froyo: or maybe these people will invent a 'this package is for: ' line in package metadata, so that 'package for gnome' or 'package for a touch thingy' are available for filtering out some results; keeping separate repos where a package might be ok for both platforms is a bit non-brainer
[04:06] <sysop2> and again why do you ubuntu touch compiled for x86?
[04:07] <froyo> sysop2 - maybe, this is the thing you looking for - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touchscreen
[04:07] <svetlana> because x86 mobiles exist
[04:07] <froyo> x86 is 32 bit
[04:07] <sysop2> I need a touch screen interface so I can use this as a tablet. how can I get one?
[04:07] <froyo> some i386 and 1686
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu desktop has already touch support
[04:07] <svetlana> i know that it's 32bit; still, 32bit mobiles exist
[04:07] <svetlana> there are no plans to drop 32bit support that i know of
[04:08] <sysop2> really how do I activate the touch support?
[04:08] <froyo> I hope they will be not...32 bit still rocking the bussiness.
[04:08] <svetlana> do you have a touch screen or not
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: install ubuntu desktop..
[04:08] <froyo> syspo2, try here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touchscreen
[04:09] <sysop2> due I have the touch screen working, that is not my problem I need a touch based interface.
[04:09] <sysop2> dude I meant
[04:09] <froyo> what you mean by the interface?
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: what kind of laptop is this?
[04:10] <froyo> Ya...your laptop sounds very rare...
[04:10] <sysop2> its a lifebook.
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: what Os comes default on it?
[04:10] <sysop2> dell makes convertibles with ubuntu installed from the factory.
[04:11] <sysop2> so not that rare.
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: wich ubuntu are you trying right now?
[04:11] <froyo> sysop2, then it should be configured for touch screen.
[04:11] <froyo> You just need to find the right button.
[04:12] <sysop2> I can get the touch screen to work, but where is the on screen keyboard? can I login from the touch screen with out using the physical keyboard?
[04:12] <froyo> On screen keyboard..can be installed
[04:12] <froyo> from repos
[04:12] <sysop2> but does it work on the login screen?
[04:12] <svetlana> what's the problem with installing ubuntu-touch on it then
[04:12] <sysop2> or the lock screen?
[04:12] <svetlana> if it has a touch screen
[04:12] <froyo> Yes...you just need to configure
[04:12] <kostkon> sysop2, click on the human icon on the login screen, top-right
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> it doesnt need ubuntu touch, it needs ubuntu desktop
[04:13] <svetlana> why
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> svetlana: ubuntu touch only works on nexus devices
[04:13] <sysop2> ok so you are saying I can use my convertible completely as a tablet by using desktop?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: yes
[04:13] <sysop2> ok brb. let me reinstall and try this out.
[04:13] <froyo> lotus - actually...it's compatible with other..you just need to make modification in the kernel
[04:13] <kostkon> sysop2, you could try the ubuntu-next iso, i.e. ubuntu touch for the desktop, but it's just for testing.
[04:14] <sysop2> now thats more like it!
[04:14] <sysop2> I will look for ubuntu-next!
[04:14] <svetlana> lotuspsychje: i assume this will change though?
[04:14] <froyo> svetlana - it will
[04:14] <svetlana> good
[04:14] <svetlana> thanks
[04:14] <froyo> just need more support
[04:14] <kostkon> sysop2, yes, the ubuntu touch interface, ie unity8 is coming to the desktop but just not yet
[04:15] <froyo> and need more contract from manufactureers
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> svetlana: yes, alot of stuff is happening, snappy,a guys running ubuntu on regular tablets also
[04:15] <sysop2> if I can login and unlock my computer just from the touch screen and use an onscreen keyboard I am ok with standard ubuntu.
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> svetlana: but thats still all experimental
[04:15] <froyo> Can we change the DE of ubuntu-touch to others, like desktop?
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> froyo: see ubuntu core, snappy
[04:17] <froyo> why you giving me link about the snappy development tools?
[04:19] <Eloquence_> hi - does anyone have tips/hacks for getting the samson meteor (or a similar un-detected usb mic) to work with google hangouts?
[04:19] <Eloquence_> it's detected by ubuntu but not by google hangouts :(
[04:19] <froyo> Hey again, instead of aliasing path/program, how do I export them?
[04:19] <froyo> as a $PATH?
[04:19] <Xe> export PATH=$PATH:/new/stuff/here
[04:20] <Xe> do that in bashrc
[04:20] <froyo> Xe..how should I access it..after declaring it?
[04:20] <Xe> you do it in bashrc
[04:20] <Xe> and then reload bash
[04:23] <froyo> I know Xe, but how can I access the Path...with just single commands like ./example or stuf
[04:23] <Xe> you type in example
[04:24] <froyo> That's it?
[04:25] <froyo> Thanks, that helpful.
[04:44] <sysop2> I am doing a reinstall and just noticed that encrypt the new ubuntu installation is greyed out, why?
[04:45] <sysop2> using ubuntu 14.10
[04:47] <snkcld> when i run my game, a full screen opengl game, and i switch a different workspace, the game minimizes
[04:47] <snkcld> is this ubuntu that minimizes it?
[04:47] <snkcld> how can i leave full screen apps maximized
[04:49] <snkcld> i guess i should call it a 'viewport'
[05:08] <sysop2> ok weird, I did something else configured a encrypted part and then hit back and the options were no longer greyed out.
[05:13] <gioankminh> in my ubuntu i istall Wine and in that i intstall aplication of windows (*.exe). after install i don't uses it, because the application no run addmin! i want to install it with addmin (the same of window) what i to do ?
[05:14] <Ben64> gioankminh: what application
[05:15] <gioankminh> Grammar 2.12, the application study English, Vietnam application
[05:16] <Ben64> i don't see why it would elevated permissions, you can ask in #winehq for help getting it to run properly though
[05:17] <gioankminh> Ben64: thannks
[05:17] <gioankminh> Ben64: thanks!
[05:18] <gioankminh> come in to #winehq what is command ?
[05:18] <bjgbob> gioankminh, /join #winehq
[05:27] <chup4m310> thanks
[05:27] <chup4m310> bye
[05:34] <afsal> hi
[05:34] <afsal> how to know created date of directory?
[05:45] <lacan> Hy Everybody.. glad to meet uall
[05:46] <lacan> i need to know if anyone has install OpenCL on Ubuntu??!
[05:47] <vcoinminer> hi. anyone use vncserver? how do I set to output on a vertical screen? lets say 768x1280. I set that as --geometry and couldn't make it happen.
[05:48] <Blue1> vcoinminer: xrandr ?
[05:50] <vcoinminer> Blue1 : tried, but also failed. I tried --addmode and nothing happen, and when I try to use --rotate, it says I need to upgrade to 1.2, I am not sure is that stable or not, while I am working on it, I don't wanna ruin that computer.
[05:50] <Blue1> vcoinminer: sorry opencl is beyond my knowledge level - that's the only way I know of to actively set display items.
[05:51] <vcoinminer> Blue1 thanks. :D
[05:58] <Zippie> Good morning folks! Does any of you know a way to pxe boot a preinstalled / configured ubuntu server completely into ram (without using nfs as root filesystem) ? I've setup a lightweight minimal ubuntu with hostapd and want to recreate a sort of "cisco central lap management". So basically: Diskless pc's, a wifi nic, boot it from a central server via pxe and then config it with a script. For this purpose i need a stateless system
[05:59] <Blue1> Zippie: I think tails does that
[05:59] <Blue1> Zippie: https://tails.boum.org/
[06:02] <Zippie> Blue1: Haven't seen this one before.. But if i used this i'd had to remove everything tor related and add everything hostapd related to the image i guess?
[06:03] <Blue1> Zippie: I am not familiar with hostapd - but yes I would think so.
[06:04] <Blue1> the concept behind tails is that once booted it never touches a file structure, unless you specifically mount one. iow you can't save anything to the desktop for example.
[06:05] <Blue1> Zippie: that may not be suited for your needs - but off the top of my head, that is the only discless distro I am aware of. YMMV applies
[06:06] <Zippie> Blue1: Maybe i'll just have to go the long way and create a ramdisk upon pxe boot, copy the rootfs to that ramdisk and then disconnect the nfs share + remount /
[06:06] <Blue1> yup.
[06:07] <Blue1> something like mount -o remount r /
[06:07] <Qwertie> I have a kind of an odd problem. Sound only works while im in tty. Anyone have any ideas?
[06:08] <Zippie> Blue1: I cannot believe that some guys using linux systems in hpc-clusters / blade centers haven't came up with such a thing yet
[06:08] <Blue1> Zippie: yup you'd think that would be a common issue. guess it's not
[06:09] <Blue1> Qwertie: what type of sound card?
[06:10] <Blue1> Qwertie: you have pulseaudio installed?
[06:10] <Qwertie> Blue1 the one built into my msi mobo. Sound was working before but then I went into tty and now it only works there
[06:10] <Qwertie> Havent tried a reboot yet but I was wondering what might have caused that.
[06:11] <Blue1> Qwertie: might be pulseaudio -- check your setup once you are in x
[06:11] <Blue1> Qwertie: ahh theraputic reboots
[06:12] <Qwertie> Gonna just reboot and see if that works
[06:12] <Blue1> Qwertie: what sound card and what version ru running?
[06:14] <Qwertie> Yeah its working now
[06:16] <ses1984> can anyone help me out with a weird trick...
[06:16] <ses1984> from booting into a live ubuntu text shell
[06:16] <ses1984> is it possible to download an ubuntu image and burn it to the disc i booted from
[06:16] <ses1984> can anyone paste a link so i can wget ubuntu 14.04 64
[06:16] <ses1984> and try this
[06:17] <ses1984> or 14.10
[06:25] <dna> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:29] <ses1984> thanks
[06:30] <dna> no problem!
[06:35] <ses1984> well this isn't going to be as easy as i hoped it would :(
[06:36] <dna> no?
[06:42] <shazzr> ses1984: What's your situation?
[06:43] <ses1984> i want to convert my system to raid 0. i made an install disk. i booted from it. it does not boot into a gui, i just see a login screen looping over and over again
[06:43] <ses1984> can't even switch to another cnnsole ilke ctrl-alt-fx
[06:43] <ses1984> i dont know if the installer is corrupted or what
[06:43] <ses1984> actually it's 15.04 so maybe it's just broken on my hardware
[06:44] <ses1984> if i catch the installer before it attempts to log in to a gui for the first time, i can switch to a text console and here i am
[06:46] <ses1984> somehow i dont think reading that file raw will be of much help to you...
[06:46] <ses1984> wrong window
[06:47] <shazzr> ses1984: I guess you pointed it out yourself. Download and try with an earlier version. 14.04 as mentioned by dna would probably be a good place to start.
[06:48] <ses1984> i just downloaded it. but now how do i burn it to the same usb stick that i booted from...
[06:48] <ses1984> i just tried to unmount and it's busy by something which is no big surprise
[06:48] <ses1984> i'm trying to pull the root out of a running system
[06:49] <ses1984> i'll just have to burn the usb stick from a working system
[06:49] <ses1984> my linux fu not strong enough
[06:49] <ses1984> to fix it live
[06:51] <shazzr> ses1984: How did you burn your first usb stick?
[06:51] <ses1984> i had a working ubuntu 14.04. burned the usb stick. rebooted into bios. made a raid volume out of my hard drives. attempted to boot usb stick...and it fails.
[06:51] <ses1984> can't go back to the system i had before
[06:52] <ses1984> when i burned the usb stick i actually rebooted into the stick to test things...
[06:52] <ses1984> but i did not go far enough
[06:52] <ses1984> i just tested that it was bootable
[06:52] <ses1984> i did not test that i could actually start the installer
[06:52] <ses1984> before making the raid volume
[06:52] <ses1984> :(
[06:52] <shazzr> ses1984: Ouch!
[06:53] <ses1984> yeah
[06:53] <shazzr> ses1984: How are you connected to irc?
[06:53] <ses1984> irssi
[06:53] <shazzr> ses1984: On which computer?
[06:53] <ses1984> when i boot and try ubuntu or install, i get dumped into a login screen
[06:53] <ses1984> if i do not try to log in
[06:53] <ses1984> in the f7 terminal where the gui is running
[06:53] <ses1984> but i ctrl-alt-f2 or whatever and use another text console
[06:53] <ses1984> i can get into the system
[06:53] <ses1984> only the gui is broken completely
[06:54] <shazzr> You do not have any other USB sticks laying around?
[06:54] <ses1984> not with ubuntu isos on them
[06:54] <ses1984> oh wait
[06:54] <ses1984> maybe i do
[06:54] <ses1984> have a blank one
[06:55] <ses1984> its in the other side of the house and i'm too lazy to go get it.
[06:56] <ses1984> i should just go to sleep. if that didn't occur to me 20 minutes ago then i should not be doing this
[06:56] <greenride> I ran `rm -rf <my_directory>` and I'm getting the error message cannot remove '<some_dir>`: Directory not empty. I've never encountered this before. Can someone tell me why the directory is not being removed?
[06:56] <ses1984> i would suggest trying to google "rm rf directory not empty"
[06:57] <ses1984> i would usually try that first and see if the results would actually help but i can't do that right now...
[06:57] <shazzr> ses1984: http://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[07:01] <greenride> ses1984: I did Google, but the results weren't all that helpful.
[07:01] <shazzr> greenride: sudo?
[07:02] <greenride> shazzr: Same problem.
[07:03] <shazzr> greenride: Hm. I probably have the same issue. Got a disk with som old folders on it. Can't delete them either. So have just left them. There's no content in them.
[07:03] <greenride> shazzr: One of the directories I can't remove is .git. When I cd into this directory and type `ls`, I get `ls: reading directory .: Input/output error`
[07:04] <greenride> It's like the file is corrupted and rm does not know how to deal with it.
[07:05] <greenride> shazzr: Does rmdir fail on those old folders?
[07:06] <hiexpo> guys use gksudo nautilus and go to the folders and remove them
[07:08] <shazzr> greenride: Yes.
[07:08] <kibmaf> I want to optimize the kernel by recompiling upon my needs. How do I start?
[07:11] <shazzr> hiexpo: Hmm...that did work. Why?
[07:11] <hiexpo> shazzr, cause i'm smart lol
[07:12] <rabbitear_sdf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI2fRCrhQSw
[07:13] <hiexpo> i don't think you had right permissions when issuing rmrf command
[07:13] <shazzr> hiexpo: Why would not 'sudo rm -rf [folder]' do the trick from console? Weird that one has to use a GUI to get rid of the folder structure like that...
[07:13] <greenride> hiexpo: I get `Error while deleting.`
[07:14] <F2Knight> don't do : sudo rm -rf /
[07:14] <vonsyd0w> you could have a hardware or filesystem issue
[07:14] * F2Knight or do do it.
[07:14] <hiexpo> greenride, with gksudo nautilus
[07:14] <greenride> yes
[07:15] <hiexpo> what error greenride
[07:15] <F2Knight> shazzr there is no difference , however try looking at extended attributes. us lsattr to see if any are set
[07:16] <F2Knight> lsattr
[07:16] <F2Knight> -------------e- ./findilo.sh
[07:16] <shazzr> F2Knight: No worries now. The folder is gone. So hiexpo's tip worked.
[07:16] <greenride> hiexpo: Let me verify that I did this correctly. At a terminal, I typed `gksudo nautilus`. Then, I went to the folder in the gui and right clicked. Then, I went to `Move To Trash`. Is that correct?
[07:16] <hiexpo> greenride, yes
[07:16] <F2Knight> still fun to know, you can also set the 'i' or immutable attribute. I do this a lot on things like authorized keys files and such keeps even root from deleting it with out unsetting it
[07:17] <shazzr> greenride: I just did ALT+F2 and typed gksudo nautilus
[07:18] <hiexpo> greenride, it my be a file owner issue
[07:18] <greenride> hiexpo: When I did that, I get the message `Quiz` can't be put in the trash. Do you want to delete it immediately?
[07:18] <greenride> hiexpo: Then, I clicked Delete.
[07:18] <hiexpo> say yes
[07:19] <greenride> Then, I get the error message `Error while deleting.` Could not remove the folder .git.
[07:19] <greenride> If I click, `Show more details`, I see...
[07:20] <greenride> Error removing file: Directory not empty
[07:20] <hiexpo> .git is that a hidden file in your home folder?
[07:20] <greenride> It's a hidden file in the Quiz folder that I'm trying to delete.
[07:21] <F2Knight> if you just want to delete the .git file, use rm -rf .git/
[07:21] <greenride> The folder name is irrelevant. I have another folder with the same problem that errors on a different directory.
[07:21] <greenride> F2Knight: `rm -rf .git` errors with the message:
[07:22] <rabbitear_sdf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=safkWMNJdDg
[07:22] <greenride> `rm: cannot remove ‘.git’: Directory not empty`
[07:22] <shazzr> greenride: Dive into the dir and delete all the content that you are allowed to delete first?
[07:23] <shazzr> greenride: My folder was empty except on folde/file
[07:23] <greenride> shazzr: I can cd .git. However, I cannot ls -alh in that directory.
[07:23] <greenride> ls -alh gives me:
[07:23] <greenride> ls: reading directory .: Input/output error
[07:23] <greenride> total 0
[07:24] <F2Knight> greenride are you providing the -rf
[07:24] <F2Knight> because it won't work with out it
[07:24] <greenride> F2Knight: Yes. I am. I realize this is strange because the error message is like I'm not providing it.
[07:25] <greenride> F2Knight: I've used Linux for some time, and I've never encountered this before.
[07:25] <greenride> Oddly, I can `cd .git`, but I cannot run ls -alh in that directory.
[07:26] <shazzr> greenride: Log in to Unity, alt+f2, gksudo nautilus, delete folder.
[07:27] <greenride> shazzr: How do I Log in to Unity?
[07:27] <shazzr> greenride: Well...the default gui in Ubuntu is Unity.
[07:28] <greenride> shazzr: I just tried that, and I described the error messages that I got when doing it.
[07:28] <greenride> Should I post screen shots?
[07:29] <researcher123> how to know processor and graphic card information using command line?
[07:29] <hiexpo> greenride, try this go into your home folder click show hidden files find that folder and try to open it
[07:29] <greenride> researcher123: lspci -vvv
[07:29] <shazzr> greenride: Did you do a alt+f2? Or did you open a terminal window where you wrote 'gksudo nauilus'?
[07:30] <bazhang> sudo lshw researcher123
[07:31] <sebastian_> Hello
[07:32] <greenride> shazzr: I did both, but I did the alt+f2 after you requested. The initial steps were different, but the latter steps and errors were identical.
[07:32] <greenride> hiexpo: When I goto the folders, they open, but nothing is inside.
[07:32] <shazzr> greenride: how about if you try to mv the folder to a different location? Then delete it?
[07:33] <greenride> hiexpo: When I try to ls -alh these folders from the command line, I get errors.
[07:33] <[Saint]> might be worth checking filesystem consistency.
[07:33] <sebastian_> don't working flah player Ubuntu 14.10 Why ?
[07:33] <hiexpo> greenride, how about just ls
[07:34] <greenride> hiexpo: Just `ls` gives
[07:34] <greenride> ls: reading directory .: Input/output error
[07:34] <Ben64> sounds like a dead hard drive
[07:34] <vonsyd0w> definitely sounds like a filesystem/hardware issue
[07:34] <[Saint]> livedistro; filesystem check
[07:35] <[Saint]> sounds like your fs is hosed honey.
[07:35] <greenride> shazzr: I can move the files to a different location, but I can't delete from the new location either.
[07:35] <[Saint]> yeah - sounds like a HW error or a hosed filesystem.
[07:35] <[Saint]> fsck is your new friend.
[07:35] <[Saint]> ...maybe.
[07:35] <shazzr> greenride: Move it to a USB and delete?
[07:36] * [Saint] sometimes wonders if people just roll a dice or flip through a dictionary to suggest random shit that might work
[07:36] <[Saint]> tried standing on one leg?
[07:36] <[Saint]> singing soprano?
[07:36] <hiexpo> hehe
[07:38] <greenride> shazzr: If I copy to another file system, I can delete it. Let me try fsck
[07:46] <greenride> [Saint]: fsck /dev/sdb1 after unmounting the hard drive fixed those files, which allowed me to rm -rf them.
[07:46] <greenride> [Saint]: Thanks for the help.
[07:48] <greenride> hiexpo, shazzr, F2Knight: Thanks for your help. Your advice (and commands to run) probably led [Saint] to suggest fsck, which ultimately worked.
[07:48] <[Saint]> HollllllaaaahhhhhhhhhhH!
[07:48] <hiexpo> kool
[07:49] <greenride> [Saint]: Thanks man
[07:49] <[Saint]> not a problem it just sounded very much like filesystem corruption to me, so I ran with it.
[07:50] <pentarex> guys does anyone have experience with akamai or aws, or just to have a clue how the pricing is calculated... sorry for the question but no idea where to ask
[07:51] <hiexpo> [Saint], i was thinking that also good call
[07:57] <lenovo> Hola alguien que hable español
[08:16] <devbasis> Hi there. Is it currently possible to make an Ubuntu distribution that makes a PC a media center and a gaming device?
[08:19] <newke> how can i add additional partition to fstab file?
[08:21] <Rory> newke: read the wiki page on fstab, it explains what each entry in the lines mean
[08:21] <Rory> newke: link, sorry https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[08:21] <datakid> hi, looking for the keyboard shortcut equiv of alt-tab but that just swaps between the windows of the focused software?
[08:22] <datakid> I'vev read that alt-tilde is the answer, but that's not working ofr me
[08:22] <newke> isnt there a tool to generate fstab from mounted partitions?
[08:22] <Rory> Not that I know of
[08:27] <devbasis> May I know if WINE can launch games from Games for Windows CDs?
[08:29] <F2Knight> some of them
[08:29] <F2Knight> you need to look at the winehq database
[08:43] <SaucisseCocktail> hi
[08:49] <ssn> hi guys
[08:50] <ssn> my x201 wont resume after putting it to sleep while the decryption prompt at boot time was open
[08:50] <ssn> how do i tell it to cold boot instead of trying to resume?
[08:51] <DukeDrake> hi
[08:52] <DukeDrake> I got problems logging in with lightdm
[08:52] <DukeDrake> I try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' from Terminal, but nothing happens :(
[08:53] <Ricky_Rat5005> Hi, I am trying to install Ubuntu. When I am at the section where it partitions the drive, I get an error popup of just question marks. I'm not sure what the issue is, can anyone help please?
[08:54] <ssn> ok my bad
[08:54] <ssn> encrypted home...
[08:59] <zztopless> Wondering if anyone has experience with any of the steelseries v2 headsets and specifically if there is any way to disable the LED illumination in Ubuntu...?
[08:59] <zztopless> Oops, Hi! That should come first when asking for help :)
[09:06] <DukeDrake_> any hints?
[09:06] <svetlana> DukeDrake_: sudo service lightdm restart
[09:07] <DukeDrake_> svetlana: err ... shouldn't recoonfigure ask me questions or something?
[09:08] <svetlana> not always
[09:08] <phpcoder> hello everybody
[09:08] <phpcoder> how can i check what is causing the block of my system? i can use mouse and keybord i must to hard reboot the laptop
[09:13] <DukeDrake_> hm .. I can't login at lightdm .... I can see a "System program problem detected" flashing for a moment, then it switches back to the login screen
[09:13] <DukeDrake_> I just upgraded from 12.x to 14.04
[09:13] <Seveas> are you sure the upgrade went ok and was completed?
[09:13] <Ben64> try logging in as guest
[09:14] <Ricky_Rat5005> Hi, I am trying to install Ubuntu. When I am at the section where it partitions the drive, I get an error popup of just question marks. I'm not sure what the issue is, can anyone help please?
[09:14] <Seveas> Ricky_Rat5005: first thing that comes to mind is a translation issue. Are you installing in english?
[09:14] <zztopless> Ricky_Rat5005: Any chance you could take a photo with your phone and upload it?
[09:14] <DukeDrake_> Ben64: logging in as guest doesn't work as well
[09:15] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: how can I tell?
[09:15] <Ben64> DukeDrake_: can you log in as console
[09:15] <Ben64> on console*
[09:15] <DukeDrake_> There were no errors during the upgrade
[09:15] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: log in on the console (ctrl+alt+f1 to go there, alt+f7 to go back). Run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:15] <DukeDrake_> Ben64: yes
[09:17] <warsh> how do I change my username? I know about usermod -l [newName] [oldName]
[09:17] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: no network ....
[09:17] <warsh> but even when logged in as root, my old username is still running bash
[09:17] <warsh> and pkill doesn't hel
[09:17] <warsh> p
[09:17] <Ben64> warsh: recovery mode
[09:17] <warsh> can anyone lend a hand?
[09:17] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: oh, wifi only?
[09:18] <warsh> Ben64: this is on a arm based board, so no bios
[09:18] <DukeDrake_> It wants to upgrade 7 packages, all referring to gvfs
[09:18] <phpcoder> no way?
[09:18] <Ben64> warsh: i meant ubuntu recovery mode, but join #ubuntu-arm for that
[09:18] <warsh> ahh
[09:18] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: yes, only wifi and can't connect ...
[09:19] <phpcoder> is there no wway to check why the system is blocked?
[09:19] <Ben64> phpcoder: your question doesn't make sense
[09:20] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: log in on the console, dot this: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- anything useful?
[09:22] <DukeDrake_> it says "Failed to load module fglrx"
[09:22] <Seveas> did you manually install fglrx drivers on 12.x?
[09:23] <DukeDrake_> (why did I only grep for "WW" yesterday, not "EE"? xD)
[09:23] <zztopless> Wondering if anyone has experience with any of the Steelseries v2 headsets and specifically if there is any way to disable the LED illumination in Ubuntu...? I'm in a dark room and my head is making the room glow...
[09:24] <DukeDrake_> as I remember, everything was installed automatically ...( I'll try to google from here )
[09:24] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2249841 maybe?
[09:24] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: also look in ~/.xsession-errors
[09:26] <DukeDrake_> I alerady checked .xsession-errors, but couldn't figure it out xd
[09:26] <DukeDrake_> thanx for the link! =D
[09:26] <phpcoder> Ben64, ?
[09:26] <phpcoder> it freeze
[09:27] <Jakey2> How to run bash script to update sql scripts from a folder
[09:28] <Jakey2> im looking for a bash script to update my sql scripts on a server
[09:28] <Seveas> Jakey2: the same way as you run all bash scripts.
[09:28] <Jakey2> the sql scripts are in a specific folder
[09:28] <Jakey2> eg folder a
[09:28] <Jakey2> 1.sql, 2.sql
[09:31] <mark_fawkes> hello
[09:31] <iskuhdzljsl> I'm currently working off a liveUSB session on a laptop, and woud like to gain access to a Windows drive (Windows is in hibernate) without starting Windows. Lubuntu won't let me mount through the GUI, as it says the drive is in hibernate... but suggests that I should attempt to mount with the read-only flag. I went to /media/lubuntu, but naturally, there's nothing listed there, because the drive's not mounted. How do I mount in
[09:32] <Seveas> iskuhdzljsl: mkdir /mnt/windows; mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/yourwindowsdrivehere /mnt/windows
[09:32] <phpcoder> Ben64, maybe aproblem with nvidia driver
[09:33] <phpcoder> i do not know
[09:33] <iskuhdzljsl> Seveas - and get the ID of the Windows drive from gparted?
[09:33] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: hmm .. fglrx doesn't seem to be installed at all .... yet when I try to install it via apt-get, it fails with "Unabble to correct problem. You have held broken packages" :(
[09:33] <phpcoder> for example i was listening music on youtube....the system (cursor/keybord) was blocked but i still was listening the music
[09:33] <phpcoder> so it is not a complete "block"
[09:33] <Seveas> iskuhdzljsl: or from fdisk -l
[09:33] <phpcoder> so i am asking if there is a way to check the reason in log file for example
[09:34] <Jakey2> i want to run a batch of sql scripts from a folder does anyone know a script for this
[09:34] <iskuhdzljsl> Seveas - cool. Giving it a shot now.
[09:34] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: the held broken packages thing is a clue that not all went well in the upgrade. Time to get a wired connection and do more apt-get
[09:36] <Avihay_work> Jakey2: maybe you can use your cli sql client, and use xargs, or some bash for loop
[09:36] <zztopless> Just switched from a windows host with a couple of ubuntu guests to a Mint guest with the same ubuntu guests and for whatever reason all TOR traffic on the guests is very slow (fine on the host and fine on the guests if I boot back in to my not-yet-deleted windows7 installation on the host), I mean like ~ 1 MB/s on either host or the guests on the win7 host vs ~30-40k/s tops for the gusts on the ubuntu host. Any ideas
[09:36] <zztopless> would be much appreciated...
[09:36] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: ok
[09:37] <Jakey2> Avihay_work, looking to do it in bash
[09:37] <DukeDrake_> maybe, I'm affected by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1424491
[09:38] <DukeDrake_> (found a patch cable by now ^^)
[09:39] <Avihay_work> Jakey2: seems simple enough. combine http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/bash-loop-over-file/ with https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-batch-commands.html
[09:39] <phpcoder> someone could help me?
[09:40] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: ok, apt-get -f install
[09:40] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: ok, I'll try....
[09:41] <iskuhdzljsl> Seveas - Mounting worked. Thanks!
[09:42] <DukeDrake_> same error
[09:42] <DukeDrake_> hm
[09:42] <DukeDrake_> I guess, I'll settle for being a victim of above mentioned bug
[09:43] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: neh, if your upgrade failed anything could have happend
[09:43] <Bartoaster> .
[09:43] <DukeDrake_> I did the dist-updgrade by now and it finished
[09:44] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: ok, and the apt-get -f install, does it work now?
[09:45] <DukeDrake_> no, same error: ... you have held broken packages
[09:45] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: I'd like to see the full error, can you run this: apt-get -f install 2>&1 | nc seveas.net 1234
[09:46] <Seveas> that nc makes it send the output to me. Ordinarily I'd ask to pastebin it, but that's tricky without a webbrowser :)
[09:46] <DukeDrake_> ó.o
[09:46] <DukeDrake_> that's ... neat
[09:47] <DukeDrake_> I know nc ... but never thought about that possibility xD
[09:48] <DukeDrake_> theeere you go
[09:48] <Seveas> hmm, didn't get anything
[09:48] <DukeDrake_> whoops
[09:49] <DukeDrake_> now?
[09:49] <Seveas> yeah, so the problem is with the fglrx package
[09:49] <Seveas> you upgraded to 14.04, right?
[09:49] <DukeDrake_> yes, I try apt-get -f install fglrx ....
[09:50] <DukeDrake_> ... that's the output from "apt-get -f install "
[09:51] <soman> Hi all. I installed some packages to machine without internet with 'dpkg' and broke the package system. Now I cannot remove them nor via synaptic neither via apt-get. Both suggest to remove a big amount of packages not related to my installed. How can I find out what packages I installed with dpkg?
[09:52] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: (apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core; apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core) | nc seveas.net 1234
[09:53] <Seveas> those will give me some info about what looks like a broken dependency
[09:53] <Seveas> soman: /var/log/dpkg.log
[09:54] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: ok, hang on ...
[09:54] <soman> ЫумуфыЖ ерфтлы
[09:54] <soman> Seveas: thanks
[09:54] <phpcoder> guys are better nouveau or nvidia-346 driver?
[09:55] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: while you're at it, repeat that command but with fglrx instead of xserver-xorg-xore
[09:56] <DukeDrake_> check
[09:56] <phpcoder> ?
[09:57] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: you.... don't have xserver-xorg-core installed. This surprises me greatly :)
[09:58] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: oh? o.O
[09:58] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: what happens if you try to install that package?
[09:58] <Ricky_Rat5005> Seveas - yes in english
[09:59] <colbyf> ..
[09:59] <rahulprodev> Hello!
[09:59] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: hm o.O
[09:59] <DukeDrake_> hm??
[09:59] <Seveas> yes?
[10:00] <DukeDrake_> apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core shows me a lot of stuff ... sure, it's not installed?
[10:00] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: apt-cache policy says it's not installed. show will happily show packages you didn't install :)
[10:01] <DukeDrake_> ohhh ... xd
[10:01] <rahulprodev> this problem occuring from morning whenever I try to login in ubuntu (after entering password) it pause for 5-6 seconds and the shows black screen and then again show login window... I can't login.
[10:01] <rahulprodev> Please anyone have idea what's problem.
[10:02] <trijntje> rahulprodev: sounds like your graphical environment crashes as soon as you login
[10:02] <DukeDrake_> oh :(
[10:02] <trijntje> can you log into the guest account?
[10:02] <rahulprodev> trijntje, no, I can't login in guest account. :(
[10:02] <DukeDrake_> Error: pkgProblemResolver: Reseolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages
[10:02] <trijntje> rahulprodev: do you get the same problem when you try to login with guest account?
[10:03] <rahulprodev> trijntje, yes same problem...
[10:03] <rahulprodev> same thing happening there
[10:03] <DukeDrake_> heh
[10:03] <DukeDrake_> everyone has same problem? ;)
[10:03] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: try the 2>&1 | nc seveas.net 1234 trick again
[10:03] <DukeDrake_> trijntje: same here
[10:03] <DukeDrake_> Seveas: hang on
[10:04] <trijntje> rahulprodev: can you log in via the terminal? (Ctrl + alt +f1, you wont see your password as you type it)
[10:04] <rahulprodev> trijntje, yes, I can login there :)
[10:05] <DukeDrake_> there.
[10:05] <DReynolds> Hi all. hoping someone can help. im trying to stick Ubuntu on an old intel macbook. rEFIt is istalled and working, but with both the Ubuntu ans Xubuntu install dvds im just getting "Select CD-ROM boot type" and 2 empty options, not accepting any input
[10:05] <mark_fawkes_1> hi
[10:05] <Ricky_Rat5005> Seveas?
[10:05] <trijntje> rahulprodev: can you take a look at the apt log to see if you updated something recently that could have caused this?
[10:05] <trijntje> cat /var/log/apt/history.log
[10:05] <Seveas> !info libcheese7 trusty
[10:05] <DukeDrake_> (wtf is libcheese, anyway? ^^)
[10:05] <Seveas> webcam library
[10:06] <DukeDrake_> ah
[10:06] <rahulprodev> trijntje, yes I try to look there
[10:06] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: we'll have to dig deeper. Try installing the libcheese7 package.
[10:06] <Seveas> (and if it fails, nc trick :)
[10:06] <DukeDrake_> I don't have a webcam in the notebook ... >.>
[10:07] <Seveas> Ricky_Rat5005: hmm, then I'm afraid I have no idea what it could be.
[10:07] <Ricky_Rat5005> Seveas ok, thanks.
[10:08] <Ricky_Rat5005> Anyone else? Pop-up of ????? when installing Ubuntu (no other error message just question marks)
[10:09] <DukeDrake_> libcheese is already the newest version
[10:10] <trijntje> rahulprodev: can you see which package were upgraded/installed last? If you want you can post them to pastebin using the command line program 'pastebinit'
[10:10] <trijntje> cat /var/log/apt/history.log | pastebinit
[10:10] <trijntje> you'll have to install it first though: sudo apt-get install pastebinit -y
[10:10] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: hmm. apt-cache policy libcheese7 | nc seveas.net 1234
[10:12] <DukeDrake_> there ^
[10:13] <DukeDrake_> hm ... I really appreciate your patience ... but do you still consider that this issue can be solved?
[10:13] <Seveas> yeah, these issues can always be solved by digging deep enough :)
[10:13] <rahulprodev> trijntje, I think my internet is not working on command line
[10:13] <DukeDrake_> ok :}
[10:13] <DukeDrake_> (is my first issue of this kind ^^)
[10:14] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: apt-get install unity-control-center 2>&1 | nc seveas.net 1234
[10:14] <trijntje> rahulprodev: internet should work just as normal
[10:14] <Seveas> I've had such issues dozens, if not hundreds of times. I tend to break apt horribly or do utterly unsupported upgrades like 9.10 to 14.10 :)
[10:16] <rahulprodev> trijntje, I use wifii, I think it's not connected
[10:17] <DukeDrake_> incoming
[10:17] <rahulprodev> DukeDrake_, :)
[10:18] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: ok now I'm even more confused. It's installed, but not installed at the same time!?
[10:18] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: apt-cache policy unity-control-server | nc seveas.net 1234
[10:19] <rahulprodev> trijntje, I think I will reinstall a window...
[10:19] <DukeDrake_> there.
[10:20] <rahulprodev> trijntje, thanks.
[10:20] <trijntje> rahulprodev: you can if you want, but you can also fix ubuntu
[10:21] <DukeDrake_> (by the way: how can I jump by words on the terminal? (like ctrl+left and ctrl+right on windows))
[10:21] <Seveas> ctrl-left/right should do the trick
[10:21] <rahulprodev> trijntje, I'm not that familiar that much with terminal... Is there any recovery system like windows?
[10:23] <DukeDrake_> (nope ^^)
[10:23] <rahulprodev> DukeDrake_, ok :0
[10:23] <trijntje> rahulprodev: can you see which programs were updated or installed last on your pc? Thats probably the problem
[10:24] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: I'm a bit at a loss I'm afraid, so I want to tackle the problem from a different angle. So first more debug info for me:
[10:25] <Seveas> more /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc seveas.net 1234
[10:25] <Seveas> And then another apt-get attempt: apt-get -f --fix-policy install
[10:25] <Seveas> which will probably fail, if it does, append the ususal 2>&1 | nc seveas.net 1234
[10:25] <DukeDrake_> o.o
[10:26] <nashant> Hey, is there any way I can increase the effective resolution of my display? I want to shrink everything so I can fit more on the screen
[10:26] <DukeDrake_> ok, I'll try ... hang on
[10:26] <rahulprodev> trijntje, hm I think its it's lot of work. I will reinstall it, anyway thanks so much
[10:27] <trijntje> rahulprodev: you're welcome ;)
[10:27] <DukeDrake_> the fix policy installed libatm1
[10:28] <DukeDrake_> !info libatm1 trusty
[10:30] <saaid> hi
[10:30] <xpand> Calling ->flush() on a memcached instance doesn't flush all items. When I call `memcached-tool 127.0.0.1:11211 stats` I get "total_items 655"
[10:30] <DukeDrake_> there.... /etc/apt/soures.list.d doesn't exist
[10:31] <xpand> oups..
[10:31] <xpand> not here
[10:31] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: it's sources nout soures :)
[10:32] <DukeDrake_> yeah, well .. I had the 'c' in the command ... I can also see the directory in /etc/apt/ ... errrrr... hmm o.O
[10:33] <Seveas> DukeDrake_: are there any files in there?
[10:33] <DukeDrake_> no Xd
[10:33] <DukeDrake_> no
[10:33] <Seveas> ok, good enough :)
[10:33] <DukeDrake_> =)
[10:33] <DukeDrake_> (brb)
[10:34] <Seveas> then I'm lost. At this point I'd like to request access to your machine to take a closer look and do more prodding, but I completely understand if you don't want to do that.
[10:37] <iseon> Hello, has anyone tried to build an ubuntu kernel on Debian? I just tried but had errors.. should it be successful following for example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile ?
[10:40] <Seveas> iseon: depends on which part of that document you followed. But it should generally work
[10:42] <DReynolds> Does anyone know how to fix the problem "select CD_ROM boot type" with 2 empty options when trying to load ubuntu install cd on intel macbook?
[10:42] <iseon> Seveas: ah actually I followed this step-by-step http://blog.avirtualhome.com/compile-linux-kernel-3-2-for-ubuntu-11-10/
[10:42] <iseon> I think it might be a little out-dated now though.
[10:42] <DukeDrake_> re
[10:42] <Seveas> see the title of that already spells trouble
[10:43] <iseon> Seveas: got any pointers for similar step-by-step example for ubuntu 15.04?
[10:43] <DukeDrake_> hm
[10:44] <Seveas> iseon: you're trying the 15.04-to-be kernel on debian?
[10:44] <DukeDrake_> "Installed none" with the xserver-xorg-core is really weird
[10:44] <iseon> I'm building the kernel for another computer running ubuntu 15.04 on the Debian machine
[10:45] <Seveas> iseon: ok, so you're building the 15.04 kernel for a 15.04 machine on a debian box? (I really want to make sure I understand you correctly before gicing bad advice)
[10:45] <iseon> Yes, that is correct
[10:45] <Seveas> ok, then I suggest you look at pbuilder
[10:46] <Seveas> on debian you can create an ubuntu 15.04 build chroot with pbuilder and then use pbuilder to build the kernel package. That way you get closest to what Ubuntu itself does.
[10:46] <Seveas> If you need to make changes before building, you can do that on Debian just fine and build source packages (debuild -s) which you then turn into binary packages with pbuilder.
[10:47] <phpcoder> gys is there a log where can i see why my the gui is messed up
[10:47] <iseon> I will check it out, does it mean that I need a full ubuntu 15.04 filesystem on the debian box though?
[10:47] <phpcoder> ?
[10:47] <Seveas> phpcoder: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors
[10:47] <Seveas> iseon: you need a minimal chroot, which pbuilder will create for you.
[10:48] <iseon> Seveas: very cool, thanks that is super helpful :):)
[10:48] <DukeDrake_> bbl
[10:48] <Seveas> iseon: it caches it compressed, that takes 113MB. During build you'll need a bit more diskspace.
[10:49] <phpcoder> Seveas, thanks!
[10:54] <Jakey2> is this correct to get a specific value from an sql database
[10:54] <Jakey2> Ver = $(mysql mydatabase -u $USER -p $PASS -se "select b from table_a")
[10:55] <sheer> off topic but... how do I prevent people from seeing the channels I'm in + the IRC client I use?
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> sheer: ask in #freenode
[11:03] <haskell0_> I think I uninstalled both nouveau and NVidia drivers, now after logging in nothing appears (although I can move the mouse), can I use the live CD to install NVidia drivers?
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> haskell0_: try grub recoverymode/fix broken packages
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> haskell0_: or a terminal from recoverymode and install drivers from there
[11:05] <ioria> haskell0_, never done that, but you can enable cdrom in sources.list and add nomodeset in grub
[11:06] <haskell0_> lotuspsychje, I tried recoverymode/fix broken packages, but I keep seeing "Failed to fetch http://..."
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> haskell0_: sudo apt-get update maybe?
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> haskell0_: maybe boot nomodeset as ioria sugests
[11:10] <haskell0_> lotuspsychje, I am able to get terminal access, I used sudo apt-get update, and I see similar "Failed to fetch http..." messages, perhaps I should wget the nvidia driver and install that?
[11:10] <ioria> enable networking from grub
[11:10] <haskell0_> ioria, thanks let me try that
[11:12] <coemoraes> Hello, I am trying to configure DeployHQ, and how we dont use User and Password , they are providing us SSH-Key, but I really cant figure it out where I must to put this key inside server, anyone know it?
[11:22] <boabsta> coemoraes: you'll need a username at least
[11:24] <mailsender> Hi ubuntu people, i am having 2 issues with my ubuntu 14.04 . first i wanted to send mail using php mail() and it did not seem to work. after debugging and installing of some mailing systems, the server was slow so i restarted it. it now will not run a simple "hello world".
[11:24] <mailsender> i looked at netstat and i do not see anything on port 80
[11:25] <mailsender> htop shows apache running and i also restarted apache which showed no error
[11:26] <mailsender> how can i tell if apache is running on port 80?
[11:26] <mailsender> what to look for in the netstat output?
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> mailsender: try an nmap -PN -sV on your ip
[11:27] <mailsender> nmap -PN -sV 172.88.my.ip
[11:27] <mailsender> is this the syntax?
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> mailsender: yes
[11:28] <mailsender> thanks, i am doing it
[11:28] <bekks> mailsender: lsof -i | grep 80
[11:29] <Apachez> any of you who knows if theres a virtual usb driver within ubuntu repositories? that is so I can mount a directory to behave as a usb drive (to then be used as a usb drive for virtualbox for the vmguest to reach)?
[11:29] <mailsender> lsof -i | grep 80 showed nothing
[11:29] <bekks> So nothing is running.
[11:29] <bekks> Did you use sudo?
[11:29] <mailsender> ok thanks
[11:30] <mailsender> ahhh, sudo brings up all kinds of things
[11:30] <mailsender> so if apache is listening on port 80, why can't i run a simple hello world?
[11:31] <bekks> mailsender: firewall blocking issue, routing issue, configuration issue, etc.
[11:34] <mailsender> the thing is i just used that file to test the mail() function and after i rebooted it does not run any php code on the server
[11:34] <mailsender> all i did was installing and uninstalling sendmail, postfix and similar ubuntu mail packages
[11:35] <mailsender> so i do not know which of those actions might have impacted apache
[11:35] <Dumle29> I just did a fresh install of xubuntu on an older laptop of mine. Sound over the headset jack works fine, but sound over the internal speakers does not
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> !sound | Dumle29
[11:37] <Dumle29> I just barely hear anything over the speakers. So low that I had to get my ear down to the laptop in a quiet room, to even make sure it wasn't my imagination
[11:37] <Dumle29> thanks :)
[11:38] <rahulprodev> hello, anyone please tell me or give me a link How to manually partition ubuntu i mean how much space I can give to partition...:)
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> rahulprodev: thats a users choice really, what will you be doing on that partition?
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> !partition | rahulprodev
[11:40] <rahulprodev> lotuspsychje, going to install ubuntu by manual partition, I mean how much space i can give root, /etc ...
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> rahulprodev: you dont like the automatic partitioning from ubuntu? or need more then default partitions?
[11:42] <rahulprodev> lotuspsychje, yes
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> rahulprodev: see the link i triggered you :p
[11:45] <rahulprodev> lotuspsychje, I think the link is about some other partition... I want to know how much space i can give for /boot, /swap, /etc and other
[11:46] <somsip> rahulprodev: again, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes
[11:48] <phpcoder> when will be released 15.04 ?
[11:48] <somsip> phpcoder: 20th
[11:48] <phpcoder> oh good! tomorrow
[11:48] <rahulprodev> lotuspsychje, somsip thanks yes it's given,
[11:48] <somsip> phpcoder: sorry - worng. 23rd
[11:48] <phpcoder> ah ok
[11:49] <phpcoder> tis this the current right? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:49] <rahulprodev> Is it going to release on 23rd, then i will install ubuntu on 23rd :)
[11:49] <phpcoder> :D
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> phpcoder: yes its same from #ubuntu+1
[11:50] <phpcoder> where can i see the new features?
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> phpcoder: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes
[11:52] <phpcoder> thanks
[11:53] <mircx1> Hello
[11:53] <mircx1> i want ask something
[11:53] <mircx1> in ubuntu is have options if i want install something from Terminal and i want search him what commands for this?
[11:54] <mircx1> sudo search libstdc++6-4.4-dev ?
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> mircx1: apt-cache search packagename
[11:54] <WilliamDotAT> apt-cache search libstdc
[11:55] <mircx1> thanks
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: afternoon :p
[11:57] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, greetings!
[11:57] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, dare I ask how the crowd is tonight?
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: you forgot autojoin :p
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: they are all waiting for you :p
[11:57] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, LOl
[11:57] <svetlana> ?
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> !discuss > cfhowlett
[12:06] <mircx1> i want ask something please i try find re2 for c++ and in ubuntu 14.04 is no find what i need install for this?
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> !find re2
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> !info re2c
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> mircx1: is this what you need?
[12:07] <mircx1> i need something like this include/library paths in order
[12:08] <mircx1> ?
[12:09] <ILOVEGNU> Is it possible to get the Ubuntu 8.04 theme for the latest distro?
[12:09] <ILOVEGNU> latest release
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> !theme | ILOVEGNU
[12:09] <mircx1> someone please?
[12:09] <mircx1> lotuspsychje
[12:10] <mircx1> i need something like this include/library paths in order
[12:10] <haskell0_> Is it possible to install updates through the ubuntu live-cd? i.e. sudo apt-get update (for some reason I cannot do it normally)
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> mircx1: try the ##programming guys, i dont know what you need mate
[12:10] <gsilva> ILOVEGNU, I think that's based in GNOME - so you can download Ubuntu Gnome
[12:10] <mircx1> i told to you
[12:10] <gsilva> yes, haskell0_, it is
[12:10] <cfhowlett> haskell0_, update the USB? yes, but only until the session ends
[12:11] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, no I want to update my actual ubuntu installation by using a live cd, is that possible?
[12:11] <cfhowlett> haskell0_, what version of ubuntu are you attempting to update?
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> mircx1: im not a programmer, so i would not know..
[12:11] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, ubuntu 14.04
[12:12] <cfhowlett> haskell0_, nope.
[12:12] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, in that case, can I download a driver using the live cd, then access that on the actual ubuntu installation?
[12:13] <mircx1> never mind i get this
[12:13] <cfhowlett> haskell0_, probably. details??
[12:13] <mircx1> is need patch for this
[12:13] <mircx1> and in search no have patch
[12:13] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, I think I uninstalled both nouveau and NVIDIA drivers and I can't get past the login screen.
[12:13] <mircx1> re2 for pacth
[12:14] <cfhowlett> haskell0_, login with nomodeset
[12:14] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | haskell0_
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> mircx1: re2 doesnt exist, is it re2c you need?
[12:14] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, thanks let me try that
[12:15] <ioria> cfhowlett, he cannot use the installation cd enabling cdrom in sources.list to reinstall nouveau ?
[12:16] <legal> ?
[12:16] <cfhowlett> ioria, that wasn't what I understood his question to be but if you can advise him on this, please do
[12:17] <legal> если по русски?
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> !ru | legal
[12:17] <ioria> cfhowlett, thanx
[12:18] <legal> мне подсказать - ядро впервые устанавливаю...
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> !english | legal
[12:19] <legal> ok
[12:24] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, I pressed e at the grub menu and added 'nomodeset' after 'quiet splash'. Things loaded up with a lower resolution, but I am still not able to get past the login screen
[12:24] <colbyf> hi anyone know who I install a smb printer on ubuntu gnome or even better who to install the normal ubuntu print manager
[12:24] <cfhowlett> haskell0_, ow. next option: login to command line mode and install things from there
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> colbyf: what kind of printer?
[12:25] <ioria> haskell0_, eventually, check ~/.Xauthority for permissions
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> !printer | colbyf
[12:26] <awatt> hi
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> awatt: welcome, what can we do for you?
[12:26] <colbyf> its an epson printer connected to win7 via usb
[12:27] <colbyf> I had it working yesterday but reinstalled ubuntu gnome but can't remember who I downloaded the normal print manager
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> colbyf: see the trigger
[12:27] <awatt> i am connected to internet i can ping websites but i cant browse
[12:28] <colbyf> ya see the ubuntu gnome dosent have the wizard that says install windomes printer via smb
[12:28] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, from command line, when I run "sudo apt-get update" I keep getting "could not resolve http:..."
[12:28] <awatt> how do i know if my dns is correct?
[12:28] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, so it seems I don't have access to the internet? I also tried a wired ehternet connection and I got the some messages
[12:29] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, I can put the nvidia driver on a USB stick (it's a .run file), could I then access that file and install the nvidia driver?
[12:29] <cfhowlett> haskell0_, ow. I was really hoping the wired internet would automagically appear. sorry, amigo, this problem is officially outside my narrow range of knowledge. ask again in channel. lots of smart folk herein
[12:30] <cfhowlett> haskell0_, yes
[12:30] <haskell0_> cfhowlett, cool let me try that then
[12:30] <colbyf> whats the name of your print manager
[12:33] <ioria> haskell0_, can you ping something ? like 8.8.8.8 ... if not try sudo service network-manager restart
[12:34] <haskell0_> ioria, if I try "ping 8.8.8.8" it says network is unreachavle
[12:34] <haskell0_> trying the restart
[12:40] <TimeVirus> I installed ktouch the other day and its not in the menu. I cant start it from the terminal though. How do I get a menu entry for it?
[12:41] <MonkeyDust> TimeVirus that's in KDE ?
[12:45] <TimeVirus> Xfce
[12:45] <TimeVirus> MonkeyDust, ^
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:50] <TimeVirus> I installed ktouch the other day and its not in the menu. I cant start it from the terminal though. How do I get a menu entry for it? Xfce DE btw.
[12:51] <TimeVirus> howdy BluesKaj
[12:51] <BluesKaj> hi TimeVirus
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> TimeVirus I found something about "whisker menu", not sure what that is, and als o this... i agree when you say it should be easier... http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.be/2011/12/add-items-to-xfce-applications-menu.html
[12:53] <codemagician> If a release is "64-bit PC (AMD64)" should I choose this for an Intel 64-bit Core i5 processor?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> codemagician, yes
[12:53] <TimeVirus> thanks MonkeyDust :)
[12:53] <rahulprodev> Hello, ubuntu which one is better installing ubuntu default partitioning or installing manual partitioning ?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> rahulprodev, manual is if you're familiar with partitioning and mount points etc
[12:54] <codemagician> BluesKaj: Thanks. I just understand that "EM64T" is for Intel
[12:54] <k-stz> rahulprodev: default, but maybe you want to read a bit into manual partitioning, so you know what your missing, it is rather simple too
[12:55] <cfhowlett> rahulprodev, depends on the user. if you're not comfortable with manual control, let the autopilot
[12:55] <codemagician> BluesKaj: I didn't realise before now
[12:55] <BluesKaj> codemagician, yes and your cpu will be detected, so not to worry
[12:56] <codemagician> I've just got a new core i5-5250U processor Intel NUC so I'm keen to install Ubuntu, but should I wait a few days for 15.04 or take a beta.. or what?
[12:57] <rahulprodev> thanks BluesKaj, k-stz ,cfhowlett
[12:57] <sysop2> how do I use the onscreen keyboard on the decrypt hard drive screen?
[12:58] <dasjoe> codemagician: install either the latest version (14.10) or the latest long-term support version (14.04)
[12:59] <k-stz> ubottu: !LTS
[13:00] <SCHAAP137> anyone here run 14.10 with MATE? anyone notice that the icons in the notification tray don't automatically "center" themselves within the panel?
[13:01] <SCHAAP137> if i shrink the panel size to 31px and enlarge it again to 32px, then all icons in the notification tray are correctly center-snapped
[13:01] <codemagician> dasjoe: I think my hardware might need some things from 15 though.. as it uses the onboard intel graphics
[13:01] <sysop2> so is my answer "you cant?"
[13:02] <SCHAAP137> but at first, the icons in there appear "snapped-to-top"
[13:02] <SCHAAP137> was wondering if someone knows a workaround for this
[13:02] <rahulprodev> Hi, what will be the good size of /swap for 4 gb ram?
[13:02] <dasjoe> codemagician: try a live version of 14.xx, then :)
[13:03] <cfhowlett> rahulprodev, 1.5 to 2 times ram = 6 - 8
[13:03] <kostkon> rahulprodev, 4
[13:03] <MonkeyDust> SCHAAP137 don't struggle with 14.10 too much or too long... next week 15.04 is released
[13:03] <codemagician> dasjoe: It's an Intel NUC 5i5RYH (5th Gen) with Intel HD Graphics 6000
[13:03] <codemagician> dasjoe: ah, I see run from the USBPEN direct to test
[13:03] <rahulprodev> cfhowlett, kostkon thanks.
[13:04] <dasjoe> codemagician: exactly. You can do a full installation to USB media, too.
[13:04] <SCHAAP137> cool MonkeyDust, eagerly awaiting it
[13:05] <SCHAAP137> hope Intel brings their 1.0.9 gfx driver release soon as well, for 15.04
[13:05] <MonkeyDust> SCHAAP137 guess you installed mate with a ppa? in 15.04, it's in the repos
[13:06] <rahulprodev> I'm installing ubuntu manual partitioning is this is good to go with /(root) - 20 gb, /swap - 6gb and /home - rest of the space?
[13:06] <SCHAAP137> no MonkeyDust, i just installed the packages mate-desktop-environment-core and mate-desktop-environment-extra
[13:06] <sysop2> question with 15.04 next will I be about to decrypt the harddrive with the on screen keyboard? FDE is essential for mobile devices.
[13:07] <SCHAAP137> have not added a ppa for it
[13:07] <cfhowlett> rahulprodev, pretty close to my set up - looks legit
[13:07] <rahulprodev> cfhowlett, cool, thanks :)
[13:09] <rahulprodev> if I want to make extra partition like for videos, can i make in future I mean after ubuntu is installed?
[13:09] <rebs> if i upgrdaee from 14.04 -> 15.05 will i expected to manual backup personal data and .rc files etc
[13:09] <cfhowlett> rebs, you should always do a manual backup before upgrding
[13:09] <rebs> yes
[13:09] <rebs> thats not quite my question
[13:10] <rebs> is an ubuntu upgrade a clean slate kind of thing
[13:10] <rebs> ive never done one, only clean installs
[13:10] <tga> greetings
[13:10] <tga> do you know of any decent web interface to luks/cryptmount?
[13:11] <tga> I have a few encrypted volumes that I want to enable by typing the password in a web interface instead of ssh
[13:11] <nrdb> I am having trouble with setting the grub boot record ... I in a chroot, I have used mount bind ... to mount /dev etc... but I am still having a lot of trouble with doing the 'grub-install' ... it keeps complaining about /dev not being mounted... how do I fix this.
[13:12] <kostkon> rebs, not it keeps your files and settings.
[13:12] <kostkon> no*
[13:14] <rebs> ty kostkon
[13:15] <rahulprodev> hi, I'm installing ubuntu by manual partition, if I have to create partition after installion, is i need save free space this time?
[13:15] <rahulprodev> or is i can use /home space in future to create extra partition.
[13:16] <nrdb> rahulprodev, have you considered LVM?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> ra recommend you create a / and /home partition with gparted before installing the OS
[13:17] <rahulprodev> LVM? I don't know about it :(
[13:17] <BluesKaj> rahulprodev,^
[13:18] <rahulprodev> BluesKaj, hm, I created it by going ubuntu installing option "something else"
[13:18] <nrdb> rahulprodev, it allows you to create partitions as needed... but you could always create the partitions before installation but not use them until after the installation is done.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> rahulprodev, not sure, but that might work
[13:21] <rahulprodev> nrdb, hm then I will let 60 gb free space.
[13:21] <rahulprodev> BuesKaj, ok thanks.
[13:21] <rahulprodev> nrdb thanks.
[13:21] <nrdb> rahulprodev, ok
[13:22] <marianne> hey guys... anyone get MaxGo to work? I've gotten AMC and HBOGo to work, but maxgo is dead in the water
[13:28] <ams__> is there a cli tool to manage mp3s in bulk? editing id3, converting, moving, tagging, et.
[13:28] <raymondillo> join #apache2
[13:34] <Avihay_work> ams__: there was a fuse file system where you could manage mp3s with file operations
[13:34] <ams__> Avihay_work: remember the name of it?
[13:34] <Avihay_work> no :-<
[13:35] <hexhaxtron> Is there a way to have box.net/dropbox/onedrive/google drive and others in one single local directory?
[13:35] <Jacoub92> hello, I need to define many cron job, can I define these in separate file? and remove by remove file?
[13:36] <tga> hexhaxtron: well you can have them all sync the same dir
[13:36] <Avihay_work> ams__: it was in the repos more then 3 years ago, maybe still is
[13:36] <tga> hexhaxtron: sounds like asking for trouble though
[13:36] <nrdb> Jacoub92, why not use the /etc/cron* directories.
[13:38] <Avihay_work> ams__: https://github.com/eduble/SimpleFilesystems/blob/master/taggerfs/taggerfs.py I think I'd remember the name if that was it, I must be thinking of somth else
[13:40] <ams__> ok ta
[13:41] <thms> Hi everyone. I installed Ubuntu on my UX303LA from Asus which is a 13" screen, it had windows 8 before and fonts/pages were zooming/displaying fonts much larger
[13:42] <thms> Everytime I visit a website I have to zoom, and for exemple in Skype the font is too small
[13:42] <thms> any way to make everything larger ?
[13:42] <x706f68> why isn't there a crouton or chromeos or chromebook channel
[13:43] <cfhowlett> x706f68, ask freenode
[13:43] <Fuchs> ask alis, telling you that there is one
[13:43] <Fuchs> why freenode should be able to answer that is beyond me, mind
[13:44] <x706f68> the chrome channels are registered but empty
[13:44] <x706f68> crouton is a script for installing ubuntu on chromeos
[13:44] <x706f68> it's wonderfully simple
[13:48] <`hypermist`> Not relevant to ubuntu in anyway but its it possible to change laptops cpus or does it get soldered to the board ?
[13:49] <Johnny_Linux> you can change them, but beyyer stick with oem
[13:49] <Johnny_Linux> better'
[13:50] <Fuchs> `hypermist`: try ##hardware, but in most cases the answer will be "terribly hard towards nearly impossible to"
[13:50] <`hypermist`> Fuchs, thanks haha
[13:50] <x706f68> fgts bsd 4 lyfe
[13:50] <`hypermist`> and thanks Johnny_Linux :D
[13:51] <Johnny_Linux> ok
[13:51] <Xz0rdz> hey guys, can anyone tell me Anonymous irc channel?
[13:51] <nrdb> I am having trouble with setting the grub boot record ... I in a chroot, I have used mount bind ... to mount /dev etc... but I am still having a lot of trouble with doing the 'grub-install' ... it keeps complaining about /dev not being mounted... how do I fix this.
[13:51] <cfhowlett> Xz0rdz, that's just lazy. ask google
[13:53] <DReynolds> Hi, can anyone tell me how to have my Ubuntu/Xubuntu install boot to console by default? i.e. not boot a GUI until I "startX"?
[13:54] <sysop2> I am now able to login with the onscreen keyboard, and when poking around in onboard it asked me to turn on accessibility and reboot, I did that, logged in with on screen keyboard, and then locked the screen, no on screen keyboard?
[13:54] <nrdb> DReynolds, use the 'server' install disks.
[13:57] <DReynolds> really? Its taken me all day and 3 blank DVDs to get the desktop install on :( is there not a way to get desktop to do it? seems a farily simple need
[13:57] <baxx> I'm having probolems scripting the install of packages from one system to another
[13:57] <baxx> *problems
[13:58] <nrdb> DReynolds, have you tried to take the 'lightdm' out of the startup sequence.
[13:59] <cfhowlett> DReynolds, choose advanced ubuntu options > recovery ode
[13:59] <cfhowlett> *mode*
[14:01] <DReynolds> nrdb: i shall try that in a min, when im back booted into it. .. cfhowlett: doesn't recovery mode do more than just not load GUI?
[14:01] <haskell0_> Can I install 32 bit CUDA 7, on my 64 bit Ubuntu 14.04?
[14:01] <cfhowlett> DReynolds, straight to CLI as you requested
[14:03] <baxx> I'm trying to use dselect and dpkg to script the creating of a package list and the install to another system
[14:03] <baxx> I've found guides and followed them, it's not working though
[14:03] <rahulprodev> hello, what's the root (su) password?
[14:03] <rahulprodev> toor?
[14:03] <baxx> going from a 14.04 system to 14.04 in VirtualBox
[14:04] <cfhowlett> !root | rahulprodev
[14:04] <nrdb> rahulprodev, you can log in as a user the user "sudo -i" to get to a root shell
[14:04] <rahulprodev> thanks it's working :)
[14:05] <rahulprodev> cfhowlett, nrdb
[14:05] <nrdb> rahulprodev, yes
[14:06] <rahulprodev> I wipe my home partition LOL :P
[14:06] <rahulprodev> now again I can't login :P
[14:06] <nrdb> rahulprodev, at least it wasn't '/'
[14:06] <rahulprodev> nrdb hahaha
[14:07] <rahulprodev> do you have idea how can get that back?
[14:07] <baxx> does anyone know anything about scripting the install of packages here or not? rahulprodev nrdb , cheers
[14:07] <oopaine> hi@ll, i like to use two network interfaces on my machine at the same time, how can i set this up?
[14:07] <nrdb> rahulprodev, does coping the /etc/skeleton directory to the /home/<user> help?
[14:08] <rahulprodev> nrdb, ok I'll try that.
[14:08] <sleepee> hey guys. anybody know what's the worst that could happen if i reinstall and leave the /var partition unformatted?
[14:09] <nrdb> oopaine, you can bind two interfaces into one virtual one that is faster.
[14:09] <baxx> ok thanksssssssssssss
[14:09] <rahulprodev> baxx, i'm naive in linux scripting and command line :)
[14:10] <oopaine> i use virtualbox
[14:10] <sleepee> i'm reinstalling a machine i was using as a kvm host but i want to save the kvm guests that were in the /var partition...
[14:10] <rahulprodev> baxx, someone else can help u:)
[14:10] <rahulprodev> nrdb for /etc/skelton you mean skel directory?
[14:11] <nrdb> rahulprodev, yes thats it. I didn't remember it correctly
[14:12] <baxx> rahulprodev: no worries! thanks for letting me know :)
[14:12] <sleepee> now that i think, i should probably ask in the ubuntu-server channel
[14:15] <nrdb> sleepee, I would suggest that you install as usual ... and after installation edit the /etc/fstab to mount the partition on top of the /var directory
[14:16] <sleepee> ahhh.. ok. so just keep var in the / during the install and then separate it after the installation?
[14:18] <nrdb> sleepee, that way the '/var/' partition won't be touched during the install process. and your VMs should be left alone... but as always a backup is always a good idea.
[14:18] <sleepee> ok. thanks nrdb! i'm going to give that a try!
[14:18] <sleepee> thanks for your help!
[14:20] <nrdb> I am having trouble with setting the grub boot record ... I in a chroot, I have used mount bind ... to mount /dev etc... but I am still having a lot of trouble with doing the 'grub-install' ... it keeps complaining about /dev not being mounted... how do I fix this.
[14:22] <bodo_> hi. i want to install ubuntu unity. and i dont want only 1 partition i did create 2 beside swap. what type do i need to chose primary or logical?
[14:23] <nrdb> bodo_, it really doesn't matter, but you must use logical only if you need more than 4.
[14:24] <bodo_> oh ok. so if i have swap, / and /home i can use primary
[14:24] <nrdb> bodo_, yes.
[14:24] <bodo_> thank you
[14:26] <bodo_> is there any way to make ubuntu unity more fun? i mean can i personalize it somehow? like some effects or so?
[14:26] <bodo_> and make it look better?
[14:30] <kostkon> bodo_, sure, you can install gnome3 themes, icon themes (unity tweak will make the process easier) and enable more compiz effects using ccsm
[14:32] <bodo_> ccsm?
[14:32] <somsip> !info ccsm | bodo_
[14:33] <somsip> bodo_: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/compizconfig-settings-manager/
[14:37] <oopaine> i like to use two networkinterfaces to connect two diffrend networks and just one of these is connected with to the internet, but how to configure it??
[14:39] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: are you providing routing to the internet for the other network?
[14:41] <sysop2> still cant unlock using onboard. I tried this but didnt help gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver embedded-keyboard-enabled false
[14:44] <oopaine> it's a virtualbox settings: 1 interface NAT and the second hostOnly .... this machine is connected to the internat at the momend and packagesdownload works.
[14:45] <sysop2> I meant true on the end of that.
[14:46] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: it should just work. the host-only interface will get its routes via DHCP from virtualbox, and ditto for the NAT adapter
[14:47] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: that NAT adapter needs to be the default route (i.e., 0.0.0.0/0)
[14:47] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: the default route for the VM that is, not your actual computer
[14:47] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: but virtualbox usually handles this right
[14:48] <oopaine> i like to have a static ip adress for the hostOnly
[14:49] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: that's fine. just ensure that the 0.0.0.0 route always points to the NAT adapter and you're good
[14:49] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: the route to the host-only adapter will need to be a network that matches the IP assigned to the interface
[14:50] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: but generally, in a virtualbox environment, you are only talking about single-hop for hostonly connections, so there's no route propagation to worry about
[14:51] <oopaine> okay, thx ... i'll try. :)
[14:51] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: hence, the ip-address and subnet mask of the hostonly interface automatically creates a "direct-connect" route for that interface
[14:51] <wolfdog> ive been using cmus as my music player, which i LOVE. . while im working in console its great, but if I start X it wont play in the background while im working in that, comes back on only when i ctrl-alt-f2 back to my terminal. .. is there any way to get it persistently whever i am?
[14:52] <zerowaitstate> oopaine: what you're talking about is real easy man. I do it in vagrant all the time
[14:52] <SCHAAP137> u could run it inside a tmux or screen session, wolfdog
[14:55] <sms> hi
[14:56] <wolfdog> SCHAAP137: just getting back into linux tbh, unfimilar with tmux ... by screen session do you mean within X?
[14:56] <sms> I have tried to use ubuntu iso 14.10, (No install, simply booted it) on hp stream 7
[14:57] <sms> unfortunately there are too many bugs, it got very slow and buggy to the point that i had to do a hard shutdown, it also did not detect wifi
[14:57] <SCHAAP137> no wolfdog, i mean a session inside /usr/bin/screen or /usr/bin/tmux
[14:57] <SCHAAP137> it's like, a console session that you can detach/attach to
[14:58] <SCHAAP137> so for instance, after boot, in non-X, you start tmux
[14:58] <sms> so what can i do about this? really want to use ubuntu, dont wanna be stuck with windows
[14:58] <rabaprodev> hello everyone :), if i wipe data by shred will it really become unrecoverable?
[14:58] <SCHAAP137> in there you start your stuff, then detach with Ctrl b, d
[14:58] <SCHAAP137> later inside X, you start a terminal application
[14:58] <SCHAAP137> and type: tmux attach
[14:58] <SCHAAP137> bam, back in the original tmux console session
[14:59] <cfhowlett> !arm | sms
[14:59] <Annoyed> Greetings.
[14:59] <wolfdog> SCHAAP137: that sounds liek it might work. ... thanks :) ill look into it
[14:59] <sms> yes?
[15:00] <Guest97014> ma qualcuno italiano?
[15:00] <cfhowlett> !it | Guest97014 si
[15:00] <sms> any solutions?
[15:01] <cfhowlett> sms, it's an arm device. ask in #ubuntu-arm
[15:01] <sms> hey there howlett, i think not, hp stream 7 use bay trail
[15:01] <sms> thnx for reply :)
[15:02] <Annoyed> Has anyone else encountered a problem with proprietary Nvida driver package 331.113 ? constant "system problem detected" boxes ?
[15:03] <sms> does ubuntu run on bay trail? had very bad experience.....
[15:04] <sms_> does ubuntu run on bay trail? had very bad experience.....
[15:04] <shinka> If I want to use a bash command like "echo "export PATH=$HOME/Applications/sbt/bin/:$PATH" >> .bashrc ", $PATH and $HOME will be evaluated, but I want the send the strings $HOME and $PATH to bashrc, not evaluate them. Is there an escape character for this?
[15:05] <goose> shinka: \${HOME}
[15:06] <[n0mad]> i found information on this in the past but now cannot. when i add programs to the launcher it's just adding blank spaces. Is there anything I can do besides logout/login? Why is this happening?
[15:06] <goose> shinka: also, if you're going to be using the variable in a continuous path (i.e. $HOME/stuff) you should put the variable in brackets (i.e. ${HOME}/stuff)
[15:06] <goose> shinka: but \$ will escape the $
[15:07] <shinka> goose: Thanks!
[15:07] <goose> shinka: alternatively, if you quote it using single ticks (i.e. echo 'export PATH=${HOME}/Applications/sbt/bin/:${PATH}') then the string will be printed as-is
[15:07] <goose> and there won't be any need to escape anything
[15:11] <[n0mad]> well this time unity apparently crashed and restarted itself to resolve lol
[15:13] <J6Dof> I used to be able to connect to my home wifi router without any trouble but since yesterday, the connection isn't even detected. I can see my neighbors' wifi SSID but not my own. I'm on Ubuntu trusty and Macbook pro
[15:14] <Annoyed> Has anyone else encountered a problem with proprietary Nvida driver package 331.113 ? constant "system problem detected" boxes ?
[15:16] <d2l> Annoyed: yeah i've had that happen after updates a few different times
[15:17] <Annoyed> I've seen several bug reports related to it.. any solution?
[15:17] <Annoyed> For now, I'm installing an older package, 304
[15:19] <d2l> Annoyed: not really. it seems its a common problem and the only thing you can do is dpkg reconfigure the nvidia packages. but it breaks itself again when there is another kernel related update. so another reconfiguration is in order.
[15:20] <Annoyed> Bah.. ok, unfixed.. I'll have to see what happens with the 304 drivers. Had never seen this till 14.04 andt he 331 drivers.
[15:20] <d2l> Annoyed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1268257 is where i have followed the issue
[15:20] <sms> can ubuntu run on bay trail device? mine is hp stream 7. i tried booting using iso image on bootable flashdrive, but its way too buggy, no wifi, too many errors
[15:21] <sms> what can i do?
[15:21] <Annoyed> And I'm not of a mindset to manually rebuild the damned graphics drivers on every kernel update
[15:21] <d2l> Annoyed: I'm surprised it hasn't been addressed yet... *shrug* but i hear you
[15:21] <TimeVirus> I installed ktouch a few days ago and there is no menu entry for it. I can start it from terminal np. What do I need to do to have a menu entry for it? /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ktouch:kde4__ktouch.desktop - I'm running Xfce DE
[15:22] <Annoyed> d2l: Thanks
[15:23] <admin3> hi
[15:23] <admin3> i am new to ubuntu
[15:23] <Annoyed> I'll see what happens with the older 304 drivers. Its a 5 year old machine anyway, I don't need the latest greatest.
[15:23] <admin3> how can i install a setup in ubuntu?
[15:23] <zerowaitstate> admin3: a setup?
[15:24] <TimeVirus> to me menus prevent forgetting what programs are present in my system
[15:24] <admin3> yes
[15:24] <MonkeyDust> admin3 what kind of setup?
[15:24] <admin3> i mean a software
[15:24] <admin3> it is sublime text 2.0.2
[15:24] <MonkeyDust> admin3 use the software center, or apt-get install
[15:25] <admin3> tnx
[15:25] <TheNumb> admin3: tried double clicking the icon?
[15:26] <zerowaitstate> MonkeyDust, TheNumb, admin3 sublime text is not part of the standard repo. it is closed source
[15:26] <admin3> yes but didn't work
[15:26] <TheNumb> zerowaitstate: I know.
[15:27] <zerowaitstate> admin3: btw, i recommend sublime 3 over 2
[15:27] <admin3> ok tnx
[15:28] <SCHAAP137> if i upgrade my system now using 'update-manager -d', from 14.10 to 15.04, will it upgrade to the release version as well next week?
[15:28] <admin3> but i couldn't find it on my software center
[15:28] <bazhang> SCHAAP137, yes
[15:28] <OerHeks> SCHAAP137, yes
[15:28] <zerowaitstate> admin3: there is a ppa you can add to your software sources that will keep sublime text up to date. check this: https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/sublime-text-2
[15:28] <bazhang> admin3, its not there
[15:28] <TimeVirus> seems no one knows how to get a KDE program menu entry for Xfce ?
[15:28] <SCHAAP137> cool
[15:29] <bazhang> TimeVirus, sometimes it takes a re login to populate the menu
[15:29] <bazhang> !info ktouch
[15:31] <zerowaitstate> admin3: i.e., you can use "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:/webupd8team/sublime-text-2" to add their repository to your sources, then run "apt-get update" to update your cache, the run "apt-get install sublime-text" to install sublime 2
[15:31] <zerowaitstate> admin3: make sure to preface each command with "sudo"; I forgot to do that
[15:31] <TimeVirus> pretty sure it have reboot since the install but I'll relog see
[15:32] <admin3> tnx
[15:32] <bazhang> TimeVirus, there are plenty of gtk typing tutors
[15:32] <zerowaitstate> admin3: the nice thing about the PPA is you don't have to reinstall each time there is a new version; apt handles checking for new versions and does installation for you
[15:32] <TimeVirus> lol
[15:33] <TimeVirus> o\
[15:33] <SCHAAP137> there we go
[15:33] <zerowaitstate> admin3: bear in mind we do not typically support software from PPA's here
[15:33] <OerHeks> .. but if something goes wrong, we cannot help you with a PPA, then you must get help from owner
[15:33] <bazhang> typically as in never
[15:34] <zerowaitstate> i really like webupd8's oracle java ppa though
[15:35] <zerowaitstate> i realize that's ot
[15:35] <bazhang> its a crapshoot playing with PPA
[15:35] <bazhang> so entirely on your own
[15:36] * OerHeks does not waste time with programs that do not run with openJDK.
[15:36] <MonkeyDust> admin3 http://www.technoreply.com/how-to-install-sublime-text-2-on-ubuntu-12-04-unity/
[15:37] <yar_> want some hints on how to optimize the kernel?
[15:37] <TimeVirus> who?
[15:37] <TimeVirus> optimized how?
[15:38] <yar_> ???
[15:38] <yar_> by compiling it to my own needs?
[15:38] <OerHeks> yar_, that would be beyond the scope of this channel, i think.
[15:39] <infinitesum> Is there a way to use apt to install python3.3 on trusty/64? I only see a 3.4 package, so not sure if I can just install it manually or what?
[15:39] <yar_> OerHeks: i don't think so
[15:39] <OerHeks> infinitesum, downgrade is a bad idea
[15:39] <TimeVirus> so you are not really asking if someone wants hints on optimizing the kernel
[15:39] <bazhang> yar_, what is the exact issue
[15:39] <infinitesum> OerHeks: So if I want to use Python 3.3, should I just use an older version of Ubuntu?
[15:40] <bazhang> install build-essential yar_
[15:40] <bazhang> !compile | yar_ read this
[15:40] <xangua> yar_: yes you can compile your own kernel and see about a 1% plus in performance
[15:40] <TimeVirus> why the question mark?
[15:40] <TimeVirus> lol
[15:40] <ioria> infinitesum, i remember something like pythonbrew... it creats a virtual enviroment... not sure ...
[15:40] <infinitesum> My logic is the pypy says they are working on 3.3 compatibility, but 3.4 probably won’t happen for a very long time
[15:40] <yar_> can't find exact word for that
[15:41] <TheNumb> infinitesum: you can download the sources and build it yourself.
[15:41] <bazhang> the word is gentoo yar_
[15:41] <TheNumb> bazhang: not really.
[15:41] <bazhang> read the links, install build-essential yar_
[15:41] <TheNumb> the python ebuild only has 2 slots
[15:41] <OerHeks> infinitesum, that would be 12.10, which is EOL, maybe this ppa is any help ( http://askubuntu.com/questions/244544/how-do-i-install-python-3-3 ) >> https://launchpad.net/~fkrull/+archive/ubuntu/deadsnakes
[15:41] <yar_> you know, It is kinda cool to have customized kernel
[15:42] <bazhang> yar_, please stay on topic here
[15:42] <yar_> ubottu: check!
[15:42] <yar_> bazhang: what?
[15:42] <bazhang> yar_, this is support only not chit chat
[15:42] <TheNumb> yar_: it's not a chit chat channel. /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:42] <bazhang> yar_, chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic Thanks
[15:43] <TimeVirus> I installed ktouch a few days ago and there is no menu entry for it. I can start it from terminal np. What do I need to do to have a menu entry for it? /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ktouch:kde4__ktouch.desktop - I'm running Xfce DE is on toppic :P
[15:43] <bazhang> TimeVirus, what about from alt f2 run menu
[15:44] <infinitesum> OerHeks: Thanks! I’m an ubuntu beginner, and I’m trying to configure it through ansible which is only making things worse
[15:44] <TheNumb> infinitesum: /j #ansible.
[15:44] <OerHeks> TimeVirus old, but still valid http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.co.at/2011/12/add-items-to-xfce-applications-menu.html
[15:44] <TheNumb> Should be more helpful ;-)
[15:45] <OerHeks> infinitesum, if you are a beginner, question the program why it does not work with python 3.4
[15:45] <infinitesum> TheNumber: The issue isn’t ansible, it’s that python3.4 on trusty is broken in a bunch of ways, but because I’m running the commands using ansible it’s hard to figure out what’s wrong
[15:46] <OerHeks> infinitesum, so how do you tell python 3.4 is broken?
[15:46] <infinitesum> if you google `ubuntu ensurepip`, there are several threads about how the trusty version of 3.4 is missing some key libraries needed to make virtualenvs work out of the box
[15:47] <TheNumb> infinitesum: I hope you're not trying to install ansible in a 3.4 virtualenv
[15:47] <infinitesum> haha no
[15:47] <TheNumb> Good ;p
[15:47] <infinitesum> just trying to use ansible to provision an ubuntu box, including creating a virtualenv and installing my requirements.txt
[15:47] <TheNumb> infinitesum: well, is there a bug report?
[15:48] <infinitesum> yeah there is, it’s unclear when it will be fixed… there is a workaround that works when just running the commands with the command line, but then reconciling that with ansible is proving to be kind of a pain
[15:49] <TheNumb> infinitesum: well, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/six/+bug/1433324
[15:49] <TheNumb> The last comment says that is has been fixed 4 days ago.
[15:49] <TheNumb> Have you synced your repos recently?
[15:50] <infinitesum> ahh interesting… i’ll try that
[15:57] <Kolbe15> is anyone here
[15:59] <infinitesum> so you’re saying I need to build ubuntu from source in order to get this fix?
[15:59] <gryzor> Kolbe15: no, you're alone.
[16:00] <infinitesum> or just that I need to reinstall python-pip
[16:09] <Kolbe15> All people do is leave,join,change
[16:12] <OerHeks> Kolbe15, they have no ubuntu support question, do you?
[16:12] <k-stz> Kolbe15: that's irc for you, you just ask your question and if someone knows the anser they'll try to help
[16:14] <Kolbe15> OerHeks: No I just answer them.
[16:22] <Kolbe15> thomas are you still here
[16:31] <knojoko> Is there social connector for linux email clients like the one for MS outlook
[16:40] <MrElendig> knojoko: lots
[16:41] <MrElendig> there is no single "best"
[16:51] <Guest40228> when I plug in audio output into my laptop it doesn't make any sound. the default audio works though
[16:54] <OerHeks> Guest40228, what do you plugin that line-out? a headphone is not really a good device for that.
[16:54] <Guest40228> OerHeks: I dont understand the question
[16:54] <Kolbe15> could I have a list of the staff
[16:55] <Guest40228> I just found the solution. I can manually switch the output device in pavucontrol but it seems as if it doesn't switch automatically
[16:55] <Kolbe15> or people in power
[16:55] <bazhang> Kolbe15, look in #freenode NOT here
[16:56] <OerHeks> Kolbe15, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#Operators
[17:02] <Broli> .
[17:04] <OerHeks> lnr fix your connection please
[17:14] <smallmouse> hi all i have an external disc which i cannot see on file manager on ubuntu is there any command i can use to see if it is even connected via usb, i can hear the dis wirring so there is power there it is an external hard drive thanks
[17:15] <ioria> smallmouse, lsusb, dmesg | tail
[17:15] <OerHeks> smallmouse, it should show up with 'lsusb' else see if fdisk shows anything > sudo fdisk -l
[17:15] <OerHeks> it would be handy if you knew the partitiontype
[17:17] <smallmouse> OerHeks: not sure I think it was windows, i see http://pastebin.com/XWuBQcbY but not sure which one it is
[17:18] <ioria> smallmouse, that's not lsusb
[17:19] <smallmouse> ioria: http://pastebin.com/d22M1PUV
[17:19] <jones_> Hello
[17:20] <ioria> smallmouse, what is your external usb disk ?
[17:21] <OerHeks> sdb i guess, gpt
[17:21] <smallmouse> ioria: it is a wester digital
[17:22] <OerHeks> smallmouse, is this a hdd inserted in an external casing from a machine ? i wonder about the cryptswap1
[17:23] <smallmouse> OerHeks: yes HDD external casing, may have security on this but i cant recall, just want to wipe it
[17:23] <ioria> smallmouse, did you connect the disk via hub ?
[17:24] <smallmouse> ioria: no hub but via casing yes,
[17:24] <bodo_> hi guys. how can i personalize my ubuntu unity? to be more fun? like effects and more stuff?
[17:24] <OerHeks> small install gparted, unmount the drive sdb and wipe it
[17:24] <psusi> smallmouse, open the disks utility and see if it sees it
[17:24] <OerHeks> bodo_, take a look at unity-tweak
[17:24] <OerHeks> !info unity-tweak
[17:25] <OerHeks> !info unity-tweak-tool
[17:26] <ioria> smallmouse, i'll try a direct connection in the pc and i'll use a double usb cable, just to be sure
[17:26] <smallmouse> psusi: does not see it on disc utility
[17:27] <_X_C_V_B_> I get this while trying to play me and my shadow: ./bin/meandmyshadow-debian-64: error while loading shared libraries: libarchive.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:27] <ioria> smallmouse, what is dmesg | less soon after plugging the disk ?
[17:28] <smallmouse> ioria: I only have a laptop but yes have a double USB to help with the power.. you think it is a power thing ?
[17:28] <rabaprodev> Hi, is there other open source imaging/cloning software except clonezilla?
[17:28] <ioria> smallmouse, mine was :-)
[17:28] <Voyage_> need a video editing tool that can cut some parts of a .mov file, delete audio, put a watermark on top of video.
[17:30] <OerHeks> _X_C_V_B_, how did you install that game? i see the ppa is old ppa:odamite/meandmyshadow-stable
[17:31] <smallmouse> ioria: what ever dmeseg | less does it appears to have kicked off the disck
[17:31] <smallmouse> ioria: I can now see it in my explorer thanks
[17:31] <_X_C_V_B_> OerHeks:http://sourceforge.net/projects/meandmyshadow/?source=typ_redirect <-- from here
[17:31] <ioria> smallmouse, ^_^
[17:32] <ioria> smallmouse, remember to set permissions
[17:32] <smallmouse> ioria: do i just format the whole disk ? it looks like it was a windows recovery
[17:32] <ioria> smallmouse, if ya wanna to get rid of it, ys
[17:32] <smallmouse> ioria: there are a number of partitions on this, shall i delete them first ?
[17:33] <ioria> smallmouse, i don't know what you want to do ....
[17:33] <ome> oi
[17:33] <smallmouse> ioria: just need it to store stuff... ext4 or NFTS ?
[17:34] <Guest86454> excuz me smallmouse but what's your problem maibe i can help you ??
[17:34] <ioria> smallmouse, well, ntfs does not support permissions...
[17:34] <smallmouse> ioria: its only for some photos and videos nothing sensitive etc
[17:34] <ioria> smallmouse, yes, but you think to interchange with a win machine ?
[17:35] <smallmouse> ioria: but the disc can be connected to my tv to play etc so prob win compatible is best, they still have some control of the world
[17:35] <Guest86454> if you want to access your disk must be formated ntfs 3G
[17:35] <OerHeks> _X_C_V_B_, yeah,, i get a bunch of errors too, about libsdl-gfx
[17:35] <ioria> smallmouse, so, go for fat or ntfs
[17:35] <smallmouse> ioria: thank you for your time, much appreciated
[17:36] <ioria> smallmouse, np
[17:36] <Guest86454> ok
[17:38] <OerHeks> _X_C_V_B_, just found a fresh ppa, hold on, i'll test it. https://launchpad.net/~upubuntu-com/+archive/ubuntu/games
[17:40] <OerHeks> _X_C_V_B_, that gives a lot of issues too, bad luck , seems like a nice game > Depends: libarchive12 but it is not installable
[17:40] <OerHeks> Depends: libsdl-gfx1.2-4 (>=2.0.22) but it is not installable
[17:40] <_X_C_V_B_> OerHeks: i'm going try install the windows version though wine
[17:40] <_X_C_V_B_> I played on a windows machine before
[17:43] <_X_C_V_B_> OerHeks: works tough wine
[17:43] <OerHeks> _X_C_V_B_, good, have fun :-)
[17:50] <iampoz> hi everyone, I am new to making scripts and would like to make a fairly simple one. I am wondering if anyone could help or if it is off topic for here. shell or even awk would be fine.
[17:50] <yoosi> _X_C_V_B_: what are you trying to install?
[17:50] <_X_C_V_B_> yoosi: me and my shadow
[17:50] <EriC^^> iampoz: script to do what?
[17:50] <_X_C_V_B_> I got it working
[17:51] <sysop2> I need to run a perl script to make my touchscreen work, where do I configure it to run right as lightdm does, it requires x to be running so I cant put it in rc.local.
[17:52] <sysop2> that way I can use my touchscreen to login with.
[17:52] <iampoz> the goal of the script would be, for example: take the first text (csv file) of each line and then run a command that makes a file with that name
[17:53] <EriC^^> iampoz: first text of each line? can you give a sample of the line?
[17:53] <EriC^^> is the only thing on the line the filename?
[17:53] <iampoz> AAA,BBB,CCC ; first text of the line is AAA
[17:55] <SchrodingersScat> iampoz: echo "AAA,BBB,CCC" | cut -d , -f1
[17:56] <EriC^^> iampoz: for i in $(sed 's/,/\n/g' /path/to/file); do touch $i;done
[17:56] <EriC^^> SchrodingersScat: that will only take the first column of every line
[17:56] <MonkeyDust> iampoz there's also #bash and #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:57] <konam> am i the only one experiencing EXTREME memery leak from firefox 37 ubuntu 14.04?
[17:57] <konam> memory*
[17:58] <iampoz> EriC^^, I will try that
[17:58] <TheNumb> konam: disable all the extensions and try again.
[17:58] <SchrodingersScat> EriC^^: thought that was the point, oh well.
[17:59] <ioria> iampoz i'll do a little c prog that fread each line and then calls system touch to create the file in a loop
[17:59] <EriC^^> iampoz: use for i in $(sed 's/,/\n/g' /path/to/file); do touch "$i"; done
[17:59] <EriC^^> in case it has spaces in the filename
[17:59] <konam> that kind of would beat the point of firefox wouldn't it? :) TheNumb
[17:59] <konam> I'll just go back to 34
[18:00] <TheNumb> konam: one of the extensions might be buggy.
[18:00] <sysop2> konam, whenever I run chrome and firefox my swap starts filling up, I have to activate a swap file and then swapoff the partition and then swapon it and then swapoff the swapfile.
[18:01] <sysop2> that will clear out the swap for awhile till it starts building back again.
[18:01] <iampoz> SchrodingersScat, that was the point. you were right. Just not sure how to change "AAA,BBB,CCC" into the input file, I guess if I am in the directory, I just need to put the file name so I will try that.
[18:01] <konam> sysop2 i don't use swap partitions
[18:01] <sysop2> its been happening for years across many different versions.
[18:01] <sysop2> you dont use swap at all?
[18:02] <sysop2> or do you use a swap file?
[18:02] <EriC^^> iampoz: if you use SchrodingersScat command it will only take AAA from the first line, and ignore BBB and CCC
[18:02] <konam> i never have issues with memor + firefox, just started happening on this version sysop2
[18:02] <konam> sysop2 no, i don't use swap at all, i used to but saw that the benefits were minimal
[18:03] <iampoz> EriC^^, sorry that I was not more clear, that is what I want. I ran yours and it worked, but it also made files with names from BBB and CCC
[18:03] <sysop2> if you have enough ram your are right, but I still use them, I guess out of tradition lol
[18:03] <konam> sysop2 if there were any benefits at all. i haven't missed it, everything has kept running smoothly
[18:03] <EriC^^> iampoz: oh ok
[18:03] <konam> sysop2 yes, i used to do it out of tradition too haha
[18:04] <SchrodingersScat> EriC^^ / iampoz: would sed 's/,.*//g' work? would remove everything after the first comma, yeah?
[18:04] <Bashing-om> sysop2: One can do away with swap if one has enough ram installed to meet their needs, and do not ever intend to hebernate . I run with 4 Gigs and a very small swap partition - just in case .
[18:05] <EriC^^> iampoz: for i in $(cut -d, -f1 /path/to/file); do touch "$i"; done
[18:06] <sysop2> yea I never hibernate either, I should stop using the swap part since I upgrade ram, but oh well. the tradition continues.
[18:06] <ikonia> there is nothing wrong with using a swap partition
[18:06] <iampoz> EriC^^, yes, that worked
[18:06] <ikonia> even if you have a lot of ram
[18:06] <ikonia> it can still be helpful
[18:07] <konam> ikonia yeah, there's nothing wrong with using one
[18:07] <Bashing-om> ikonia: sysop2 ^^ aggreed, is cheap insurance .
[18:07] <ikonia> not even insurance, it can help your system run, even with a lot of ram
[18:08] <konam> sysop2 when my pc doubled as media center i didn't hibernate much either. changed my setup and now i do it a lot
[18:09] <Bashing-om> ikonia: OK, I am in a learning mode .. as I understand it, swap is not even touched till there are ram usage contraints ?
[18:09] <ikonia> Bashing-om: no, thats not true
[18:09] <ikonia> Bashing-om: the system will swap out pages if things like the program is sleeping allowing for better ram usage for living programs
[18:09] <BZWingZero> I have a samba share set up on my linux server, being accessed from my windows desktop. Files created on the share in windows are given the wrong permissions: 770. I need help getting newly created files to have 774 permissions.
[18:09] <ikonia> swap is not just used as an overflow buffer
[18:10] <BZWingZero> I have already configured my samba.conf, but it seems to be ignored
[18:10] <daftykins> BZWingZero: use the samba share declaration to force default perms
[18:10] <BZWingZero> daftykins, they're being ignored
[18:10] <daftykins> your values must be wrong
[18:10] <Bashing-om> ikonia: Noted ! Thanks for the instruction .
[18:10] <daftykins> double check them with testparm
[18:10] <daftykins> BZWingZero: bear in mind in the conf, i think they need to be written as 0774
[18:10] <ikonia> Bashing-om: there is more to it than that, but thats just a high level summary
[18:11] <BZWingZero> daftykins, http://pastebin.com/vbzLved3 current relevant config from testparm
[18:12] <daftykins> lol path removed
[18:12] <Bashing-om> ikonia: Good place to start the thought process, though . I have yet to ever know enough .
[18:12] <daftykins> oh noes i don't know your local share
[18:13] <BZWingZero> considering this will end up being a web-root...
[18:13] <daftykins> oh no you're not one of those web devs that copies and pastes are you?
[18:13] <BZWingZero> (either way, path is irrelevant for the problem, its functioning properly)
[18:13] <daftykins> BZWingZero: so the Windows client is being used via guest?
[18:13] <BZWingZero> correct
[18:14] <daftykins> to which query?
[18:14] <sysop2> I need to run a perl script to make my touchscreen work, where do I configure it to run right as lightdm starts, it requires x to be running so I cant put it in rc.local.
[18:14] <BZWingZero> windows has mapped the share via guest.
[18:14] <daftykins> valid users and guest seems a contradiction to me
[18:14] <BZWingZero> I think
[18:15] <BZWingZero> smbstatus shows the correct username
[18:15] <BZWingZero> but turning off guest access prevents from connecting.
[18:16] <daftykins> only as that's how you've authed with the samba host most likely
[18:16] <daftykins> you would have to disconnect the share, remove it from the Windows user accounts' cache then retry
[18:17] <daftykins> what ubuntu is running on the host end?
[18:17] <BZWingZero> lts 14.04.2
[18:17] <BZWingZero> server
[18:17] <ehsan> salam
[18:18] <daftykins> ok let me just check out the configs on the hosts i deal with
[18:18] <BZWingZero> take your time. I appreciate the help. Spent 6 hours fruitlessly googling yesteday on this problem.
[18:19] <daftykins> BZWingZero: first off, keep a copy of your current /etc/samba/smb.conf then and we'll mess with it :D
[18:19] <BZWingZero> Something else that makes me go "huh". If I change my create mask and force create mode to 0777, newly created files get all permissions EXCEPT global read.
[18:19] <BZWingZero> which is what I need
[18:20] <EriC^^> BZWingZero: oh hey :)
[18:20] <daftykins> so i take it the use case here is web dev work?
[18:20] <EriC^^> BZWingZero: daftykins will get you all set i'm sure ;)
[18:20] <BZWingZero> daftykins, for now. I built a linux server to learn. Web is my day job, figured I might as well start with learning how to config a webserver
[18:20] <BZWingZero> EriC^^, ty for your help yesterday :)
[18:20] <EriC^^> np :)
[18:21] <daftykins> ooh am i making 3 a crowd? was there some input on this one yesterday?
[18:21] <BZWingZero> daftykins, we ran into a brick wall a few times. Not much success.
[18:21] <EriC^^> daftykins: no, i was trying to help him, i don't know anything about samba though
[18:22] <daftykins> BZWingZero: so as default the apache2 doc root is /var/www/html, what've you done to handle file ownership in there?
[18:22] <daftykins> i tend to create a web site management group, then add my user and www-data to it
[18:22] <BZWingZero> I'm using nginx. I have a user account with full access to the folder.
[18:22] <daftykins> right but you can't really have your user own the path and nginx run as a different user
[18:23] <daftykins> so i do the above then have the doc root owned by www-data:mygroup
[18:24] <daftykins> BZWingZero: just as an example this is the config i have for someone - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10852300/
[18:25] <daftykins> i make use of the Windows user accounts on the clients to auth directly with the samba host, i create the users then set their smb passwords with smbpasswd
[18:25] <BZWingZero> I suspect its a user account issue, and not actually a samba.conf issue. And I know next to nothing about linux user accounts
[18:27] <daftykins> righty-o, well first step you'll want to disconnect the mapped drive on your Windows host, then run "control userpasswords2" and check the advanced tab -> manage passwords for any stored passes for that host. Probably nothing there though since guest is in use
[18:27] <BZWingZero> The windows network drive mapping is dead
[18:29] <_jay> issues on upgrade 12.04-14.04- currently I have no desktop icons. They start to load, but is seems like it crashes when generating jgeg or pdf previews? Folder icons are there already at first login.
[18:31] <daftykins> BZWingZero: as in removed?
[18:32] <BZWingZero> yes. The windows computer has no trace of the mapped share.
[18:33] <wafflejock> BZWingZero, regular linux user accounts aren't really very complicated, /etc/passwd has all the users and their login shell, /etc/group has the group listings, you can use the "groups" command to see groups for the logged in user or "groups username" to see groups for a particular user... so a user can be in many groups, each path (file/directory) has two parts to the ownership the user and the group, then it has the permissions
[18:33] <wafflejock> which control read/write/execute for the paths user, group, and anyone else (other)
[18:33] <BZWingZero> wafflejock, so a lot less granualr than windows accounts.
[18:33] <wafflejock> BZWingZero, unless you install some access control list (ACL) stuff it's really a little less sophisticated than windows permissions
[18:34] <wafflejock> but I'm not really privvy to the samba problems, I do use VirtualBox for running dev environments but I just use the virtual box shared folder settings and it's linux in linux
[18:34] <daftykins> BZWingZero: so right now does your Linux user match your Windows username?
[18:35] <BZWingZero> daftykins, at the moment yes. I can create a new account on either if needed.
[18:35] <daftykins> nah that's ideal
[18:35] <daftykins> BZWingZero: run "sudo smbpasswd -a <username>" to create a password for SMB usage, make it the same as your Windows login password
[18:36] <BZWingZero> done
[18:37] <wafflejock> _jay, would suggest trying to boot with nomodeset in your boot parameters, do you have grub show up on boot?
[18:37] <_jay> yes
[18:38] <wafflejock> _jay, might be a problem with your graphics driver nomodeset will fall back to the vesa (default generic) drivers
[18:38] <daftykins> BZWingZero: try changing your smb.conf share to this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10852382/
[18:38] <wafflejock> _jay, you can hit "e" at grub to edit the boot config, where you see quiet or nosplash add in nomodeset
[18:38] <daftykins> BZWingZero: "sudo service smbd restart" and "sudo service nmbd restart" after the file edit
[18:38] <BZWingZero> of course. one moment
[18:39] <_jay> Do you think using one of the older drivers in the additional software panels could work? There are 4 choices
[18:39] <wafflejock> _jay, yeah that's an option if you're able to navigate the GUI, worth a shot at least
[18:39] <_jay> OK I'll look there, thanks
[18:39] <daftykins> _jay: what's your graphics hardware?
[18:39] <wafflejock> _jay, can try to grep dmesg as well for errors see if you can get more insight
[18:40] <_jay> also, I had MATE on 12.04, it is installed but is not an option at login
[18:40] <_jay> I have 2 gnomes, compix and metacity, and ubuntu
[18:40] <_jay> *compiz
[18:40] <wafflejock> _jay, hmm regarding MATE can redo the install with sudo apt-get install packagename --reinstall
[18:40] <_jay> nvidia 9600GT
[18:41] <BZWingZero> daftykins, samba config updated and services restarted
[18:41] <_jay> my card is probably 5 years old..
[18:41] <_jay> actually more like 6-7
[18:41] <daftykins> BZWingZero: ok, give Windows a restart to make sure it forgets about the previous share usage
[18:41] <wafflejock> _jay, yeah I remember when that was a good card :)
[18:42] <daftykins> it never was XD
[18:42] <dude> yo, wasup>?
[18:42] <_jay> haha, yes this was intended to be a 3d graphics machine :)
[18:43] <_jay> well a cheap one anyway :P
[18:43] <Guest88278> System.out.println("haha");
[18:43] <daftykins> _jay: nvidia-304 probably is plenty for that then... i'm not 100% sure on if that model is supported by that version mind you
[18:43] <BZWingZero> daftykins, its forgotten. Windows admin is part of my day job. Just trying to learn linux as well
[18:43] <_jay> ok
[18:43] <BZWingZero> (all traces of share nuked from orbit with vengance)
[18:44] <daftykins> BZWingZero: as is mine :) ok but it might go screwy carrying on without a reboot. try mapping the drive share again, at which point it should just pop up auto as it'll use the user's credentials auto
[18:44] <daftykins> BZWingZero: then create a file of any kind in there if it works and show me an "ls -al /path" to see what it does
[18:45] <BZWingZero> daftykins, upon mapping the share it prompts for a password, with the <username>@<linuxhost>. I put in the pw for that user and it fails.
[18:45] <daftykins> that's not how you state a username for samba
[18:46] <BZWingZero> nope, its how you'd state it if you were sshing in
[18:46] <daftykins> and it definitely should have come up auto if the usernames and passwords match
[18:46] <_jay> how does one restart the desktop these days? killall nautilus doesn't work
[18:46] <daftykins> nautilus is a file manager, lol
[18:46] <daftykins> _jay: "sudo service lightdm restart"
[18:47] <_jay> Thanks, the help is appreciated :)
[18:47] <daftykins> BZWingZero: can you go ahead with the pastebin of ls -al /path ? could be your permissions are wrong
[18:48] <OerHeks> _jay why do you want to restart? not needed for that nvidia driver
[18:48] <_jay> I thought I'd need to after it installed it..
[18:48] <BZWingZero> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10852445/
[18:49] <_jay> also just for future reference, seems like occasionally one needs to restart the desktop
[18:49] <daftykins> BZWingZero: eh, mapped fine now?
[18:50] <BZWingZero> it worked when I did <username>@<windowsPCname> with the appropriate password
[18:50] <daftykins> hmm, only ever seen hostname\username before on Windows :> no @ usage. oh well
[18:51] <thewhitetulip> I never understood why Ubuntu has a six month dev cycle
[18:51] <thewhitetulip> could anyone explain it?
[18:51] <daftykins> alright so that confirms the 770 you mentioned
[18:51] <daftykins> thewhitetulip: who cares, stick to LTS and it doesn't matter.
[18:51] <thewhitetulip> actually it does
[18:52] <daftykins> thewhitetulip: and why is that, in your opinion? :)
[18:52] <thewhitetulip> I feel time should be taken
[18:53] <thewhitetulip> there is no hurry to release a new version when nobody is going to use it
[18:53] <thewhitetulip> :D
[18:53] <thewhitetulip> and since everyone will wait for the LTS which is also going to be buggy
[18:53] <daftykins> thewhitetulip: alright well this is a support channel only, so you're welcome to talk policy in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:53] <BZWingZero> thewhitetulip, some companies use feature-based releases, some use time-based releases.
[18:53] <BZWingZero> ubuntu uses the latter
[18:53] <thewhitetulip> I remember the days when I used to use 12.04
[18:53] <thewhitetulip> it was super buggy even the LTS version
[18:53] * BZWingZero has a hoary hedgehog disk floating around somewhere
[18:54] <daftykins> less chat please guys, wrong channel for it
[18:54] <thewhitetulip> :D
[18:54] <thewhitetulip> I got here by accident btw
[18:54] <thewhitetulip> have a nice day/night all of you
[18:55] <BZWingZero> daftykins, an now you know why this is stumping me
[18:55] <daftykins> BZWingZero: as it happens i have to work on a very similar setup for this this week, so we could well be on the same page
[18:57] <daftykins> BZWingZero: why do you want 'world' to be read?
[18:57] <BZWingZero> so the web server can read it.
[18:57] <daftykins> ah, that is not how you do it
[18:57] <daftykins> what user is nginx running as?
[18:58] <BZWingZero> daftykins, I'm not sure. How would I check?
[18:58] <BZWingZero> nvm, google search returned a command, looks like its running under www-data
[18:59] <daftykins> ps -ef | grep nginx
[18:59] <daftykins> excellent same user as apache then
[18:59] <daftykins> ok lets see where i've got my notebook
[18:59] <_jay> Thanks again, looks like switching gfx drivers worked!
[19:00] <Guest47012> Where am i
[19:00] <ObrienDave> in front of your computer, hopefully ;P
[19:00] <ioria> tigerland
[19:01] <daftykins> BZWingZero: so lets create a group for your user and www-data to be members of, lets say something simple like 'share' - "sudo addgroup share"
[19:01] <BZWingZero> group created
[19:01] <daftykins> BZWingZero: then we'll add www-data and you to it with "sudo adduser <user> share"
[19:02] <BZWingZero> both users have been added to the group
[19:02] <Guest47012> Indeed, thanks ObrienDave. First time in a chat, sorry, didn't know, that this was posted
[19:02] <ObrienDave> there are no secrets in IRC ;P
[19:02] <anew> where is 'mailbox'
[19:02] <daftykins> BZWingZero: now change your document root to reflect these by running "sudo chown -R www-data:share /path/to/doc/root"
[19:03] <anew> i'm running a cron and checking syslog, it' snot working and saying the messages are being sent "to mailbox" where is this
[19:03] <Guest47012> So you can see me? :O
[19:03] <BZWingZero> Guest47012, we can see what you enter into the chat.
[19:03] <BZWingZero> daftykins, done
[19:04] <darius93> anyone know how to make the kickstart format the whole partition without setting a specific size or could i omit the --size?
[19:04] <anew> please anyone
[19:04] <daftykins> BZWingZero: so nginx should stay working fine whilst you can also copy data in, you might have to change your smb config to have the line "force group = share"
[19:04] <ObrienDave> !patience | anew
[19:06] <BZWingZero> daftykins, added force group = share to my smbconf and reloaded the services. remapped the share, created a new file... no change to permissions
[19:06] <Eightynine> Hi. I have the latest version of Firefox and tearing when scrolling pages. Player is blinking on YouTube and when I click "Show all answers" in comments, the page is reloading. How to fix this?
[19:07] <BZWingZero> daftykins, still being created as 770
[19:07] <BZWingZero> daftykins, however, folders are created correctly.
[19:08] <daftykins> yeah but you no longer need 'world' to be anything
[19:08] <daftykins> because nginx isn't world, but a valid user both an owner and group member on the path :)
[19:08] <ObrienDave> anew, please wait 10 to 15 minutes before repeating your question. thanks
[19:09] <Nokaji> I strongly suspect/know parts of my Ubuntu are broken, e.g. nautilus and perhaps some aspect relating to popping up windows on focus or similar - how do I test fix all of this, please?
[19:09] <daftykins> Nokaji: try the guest session
[19:10] <Nokaji> what is that daftykins?
[19:10] <BZWingZero> daftykins, created a new test.html (770 permissions), get a 403 forbidden when trying to load. Manually set them to 774 and it loads fine
[19:10] <daftykins> BZWingZero: show me an ls -al of the path for that file?
[19:11] <daftykins> Nokaji: it's a guest user account, so not your user... good way to test if it's your install at fault or just your user configuration gone funny
[19:13] <BZWingZero> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10852577/
[19:13] <Guest47012> I thought this is a beginner's chat for ubuntu, but you are cracks. Can someone lead me to a beginner's chat?
[19:14] <Nokaji> daftykins: Oh, I get yer. I fixed some of nautilus so i know there was an issue, e.g. couldn't resize fonts until i re-installed it
[19:14] <daftykins> BZWingZero: may need to restart nginx to reflect the update
[19:14] <EriC^^> Guest47012: what's a crack?
[19:14] <bodo_> guys how can i format a usb stick in terminal?
[19:14] <BZWingZero> daftykins, restarted nginx and still forbidden
[19:14] <OerHeks> EriC^^, proffesionals
[19:15] <EriC^^> OerHeks: oh i see
[19:15] <daftykins> BZWingZero: you're 100% nginx runs as www-data ?
[19:15] <daftykins> apache2 was way easier than this XD
[19:15] <Guest47012> Sorry, this was german. I mean specialists
[19:16] <ReGiStRaS> hi guys...When I SSH to Ubuntu 14.04, after I key in the correct password, it takes quite long to responbd back. The SSH client is on the same network segment as Ubuntu...
[19:16] <BZWingZero> daftykins, nginx has 5 processes, master process is root, the other 4 worker processses are www-data
[19:16] <ReGiStRaS> no firewall or IPS in-between
[19:16] <Bashing-om> Guest47012: This is support, and we try and meet you at your level .
[19:17] <ReGiStRaS> I have tried restarting the SSH service and restarting Ubuntu
[19:17] <BZWingZero> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10852604/
[19:18] <ReGiStRaS> hi guys...When I SSH to Ubuntu 14.04, after I key in the correct password, it takes quite long to responbd back. The SSH client is on the same network segment as Ubuntu...no firewall or IPS in-between. I have tried restarting the SSH service and restarting Ubuntu but is still the same.
[19:18] <daftykins> BZWingZero: from the ls -al of your document root, can you give me the line for "." at the top? or just PM me a paste of the whole ls -al /path listing
[19:18] <daftykins> assuming you want it kept private hence only sharing single lines
[19:18] <daftykins> ReGiStRaS: how long are we talking?
[19:18] <bekks> ReGiStRaS: Check the ssh server wether it is configured for ReverseDNS resolving.
[19:19] <ReGiStRaS> about 20+ secs
[19:19] <Guest48291> localhost/6668
[19:19] <EriC^^> Guest47012: not everyone is pro here (i know im not) and everybody is helpful nevertheless, ask your question and if somebody knows they'll help
[19:19] <ReGiStRaS> I have input the UseDNS no statement in sshd..config already
[19:19] <BZWingZero> daftykins, check your PM
[19:20] <daftykins> BZWingZero: yep thanks, hmm can you restart the ubuntu host just for fun? makes zero sense but just wanna try it
[19:21] <daftykins> nothing there looks wrong to me
[19:21] <BZWingZero> its rebooting
[19:21] <daftykins> must be an nginx quirk
[19:21] <ReGiStRaS> anyone please?
[19:21] <Guest47012> I don't know how to use irc. Is there a manual?
[19:22] <BZWingZero> Guest47012, ever used a chatroom? IRC is just a chatroom
[19:22] <EriC^^> Guest47012: it depends on your client, basic stuff is /join #channel, /part and /query <nick> to msg
[19:22] <BZWingZero> daftykins, rebooted successfully.
[19:23] <OerHeks> Guest47012, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines for a start
[19:23] <EriC^^> Guest47012: also if you type a person's nick and press <tab> it will autocomplete the nick, it's pretty useful
[19:23] <vonsyd0w> ReGiStRaS, try disabling GSSAPI Auth
[19:24] <BZWingZero> daftykins, hmmm, strange. the files created in the share (and therefore username bzwingzero) are not accessable via nginx.
[19:24] <BZWingZero> chown to www-data makes them accessable
[19:25] <daftykins> hmm, run "groups www-data" ?
[19:25] <BZWingZero> www-data share
[19:25] <nashant> Hey, anyone know if it's possible to scale any desktop? So I can effectively increase the resolution so I can fit more on screen
[19:25] <EriC^^> nashant: you can set custom resolutions with xrandr
[19:25] <daftykins> nashant: you mean run a higher resolution than the display is capable of? you can do that with panning i think
Thanks
[19:26] <daftykins> BZWingZero: mmm, getting pretty close then
[19:27] <BZWingZero> If I could just map the share as www-data@linuxHost instead of my windows user, wouldn't that work?
[19:27] <daftykins> that's one way yep
[19:27] <BZWingZero> however I'd need www-data's password
[19:29] <nashant> EriC^^, daftykins: the actual resolution isn't what I'm after. I'm accessing a VM on my server via ThinLinc using an RPi thin client, but ThinLinc doesn't seem to have any option for screen scaling
[19:29] <daftykins> BZWingZero: or to set it. mmm ok on my own little web server mine are created with world read but are owned by user:user so that might be why things still work for me
[19:31] <EriC^^> nashant: try xrandr --output <output> --scale 0.75x0.75
[19:31] <EriC^^> get the output from xrandr -q
[19:32] <nashant> Eric^^: max 1920x1200, current 1920x1051
[19:33] <EriC^^> was that after the scale command?
[19:33] <nashant> oh, sorry, hold on
[19:33] <EriC^^> the output is the name before connected ...
[19:33] <EriC^^> LVDS1 connected on ...
[19:33] <nashant> VNC-0 for me
[19:34] <nashant> Ok, I got...
[19:34] <nashant> X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[19:35] <nashant> And a couple of Major opcode faileds.
[19:35] <BZWingZero> daftykins, successfully mapped on windows using www-data account. Created new test file and it loads without permissions fighting
[19:35] <BZWingZero> success!
[19:36] <EriC^^> nashant: i think it's cause the 1920 can't go any higher
[19:36] <EriC^^> try it with --scale 1x0.75
[19:36] <nashant> EriC^^: I think I can fix this
[19:36] <daftykins> BZWingZero: winner \o/
[19:36] <fancyfetus> Hey guys
[19:36] <azizLIGHT> how do i run a script without it dying when i exit the terminal
[19:36] <nashant> It gave errors, but it scaled fine
[19:37] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: ./script.sh & disown
[19:37] <daftykins> azizLIGHT: run it in a 'screen' session
[19:37] <fancyfetus> I've been using osx on my macbook pro for far too long now... I've been wanting to switch to ubuntu on it for a while, but the lack of gesture support has been discouraging me/
[19:37] <nashant> So I'm gonna set a custom resolution and then scale. Score!
[19:37] <azizLIGHT> i like your option better EriC^^
[19:37] <azizLIGHT> thanks
[19:37] <EriC^^> np
[19:37] <Guest47012> How can I change to the chatroom #ubuntu-de?
[19:38] <fancyfetus> I don't know how to make the trackpad behave like it's multitouch
[19:38] <daftykins> "/join #channel"
[19:38] <EriC^^> Guest47012: /join #ubuntu-de
[19:38] <geirha> If you exit the shell instead of the terminal, it gets automatically disowned
[19:38] <ObrienDave> Guest47012, ^^^
[19:38] <daftykins> fancyfetus: yeah doesn't seem like running ubuntu is too easy on macs most of the time. it's more of an experiment, you checked the wiki pages for your model though i take it?
[19:38] <EriC^^> geirha: yeah, it's click proof with disown though
[19:38] <Guest47012> Thanks, EriC^^
[19:39] <fancyfetus> daftykins. yes sir, and they do have instructions. But they don't seem to address the trackpad issue.
[19:39] <daftykins> fancyfetus: and nothing online?
[19:39] <fancyfetus> I'll keep looking
[19:40] <daftykins> fancyfetus: i've got this ancient macbook that you can't even use finger tips on the touchpad with XD you have to lay down a whole finger segment for it to move
[19:41] <fancyfetus> dafty, actually I think I found something! Time to reinstall ubuntu :P
[19:41] <awal> Is there any bot here like dpkg and judd in debian channels?
[19:41] <fancyfetus> Honestly, I'd be fine running OS X on it, It's actually not nearly as bad as people say. it's just slow as FUCK.
[19:41] <EriC^^> awal: yeah, ubottu
[19:42] <awal> Eric^^: ok, thanks
[19:42] <daftykins> fancyfetus: language please. slow? how old a model? SSD \o/
[19:43] <fancyfetus> Newest model, 256GB SSD. It just chugs when I'm scrolling through a pdf.
[19:43] <fancyfetus> I have it set to the least DPI scaling, so everything is very small (which causes issues)
[19:43] <daftykins> ah well, Apple support for that one ;)
[19:44] <fancyfetus> Meh, I like the macbook because it's nice and light and well built.
[19:44] <fancyfetus> But I can't stand Apple support
[19:44] <fancyfetus> Or anybody that is biased towards apple that I speak to, about the problem.
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[19:45] <daftykins> fancyfetus: i'll have to direct you to keeping it about ubuntu support only and not random chat now :)
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[19:46] <ObrienDave> [12:45:50] * [YouCantGetRidOfM] #ubuntu
[19:46] <ObrienDave> [12:45:50] * [YouCantGetRidOfM] sinisalo.freenode.net :SE
[19:46] <fancyfetus> Yeah, I'll probably have to come back and ask questions after I install
[19:46] <OerHeks> !ops
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[19:56] <kdEFanboy> hello, I'm having a weird issue i don't find anything about on google: i've installed some google for desktop apps but when I open them they stay in the same launcher at the taskbar with a google icon but not its own icon, do you know how to deal with it? (I'm rooning kde)
[19:59] <LordWillO> hi all, im trying to find the authorized_keys file for ssh, but google isn't helping me here.. where would it be located at? Do I have to explicitly create it?
[19:59] <OerHeks> !ssh
[19:59] <YouCantGetRidOfM> sup bitches
[19:59] <deadmund> Why am I getting an "Invalid number of options" error running this very simple script? http://pastebin.com/1sGZzvVK
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[20:00] <BluesKaj> genii, ban him forever if you can
[20:01] <OerHeks> deadmund, hard to say without seeing the script
[20:01] <genii> @comment 67351 Known troll
[20:01] <deadmund> OerHeks: I gave a link to the script?
[20:01] <OerHeks> deadmund, sorry, missed that line
[20:02] <EriC^^> deadmund: try the upower line alone and see what you get
[20:03] <EriC^^> *command
[20:04] <racho> deadmund, grep time returns nothing
[20:04] <racho> deadmund, either grep percentage or state
[20:04] <EriC^^> racho: same here, it's cause the laptop is still plugged in
[20:05] <EriC^^> i think the problem is that it returns 2 columns, like "2 hours" and notify-send is getting confused
[20:06] <EriC^^> try just notify-send <something> "$tmp"
[20:07] <deadmund> EriC^^: That fixed it. Thank you!
[20:23] <tijnix> Hi, is there a specific channel for Ubuntu on mac's?
[20:23] <daftykins> nope don't think so
[20:24] <tijnix> Running 15.04 on my mb pro now and pretty stoked, even it has some quirks
[20:24] <daftykins> it's not released yet so vivid talk in #ubuntu+1 regardless please
[20:24] <tijnix> check!
[20:31] <infinitesum> So I got Python 3.3.6 to build on trusty/64 using pyenv… However I still need to get the equivalent of python3-dev working so that I can compile the stuff in my requirements.txt file… Any advice?
[20:35] <hellboyCL> #ubuntu
[20:35] <daftykins> hellboyCL: that's where you are, yep
[20:35] <naized> hey guys, i'm trying to get a coredump, but even though "ulimit -c unlimited", i don't get coredumps. any clues how to properly enable coredumps?
[20:36] <hellboyCL> MX
[20:36] <daftykins> hellboyCL: what can we help you with?
[20:36] <hellboyCL> I try xchat, sorry about it! :D
[20:37] <hellboyCL> what is this?
[20:37] <daftykins> hellboyCL: support channel for the Ubuntu OS
[20:37] <windows> hi I installed ubuntu on my machine to dual boot it with ubuntu. When prompted, I asked to resize my windows partition. It bugged out, crashed ubiquity, but then I tried it again, and ubuntu installed. However, I can no longer boot up windows, except into the recovery mode. Im staring at a dos prompt, any ideas?
[20:38] <EriC^^> windows: you might need to run the recovery if grub is booting the right partition
[20:38] <daftykins> no modern version of Windows boots to DOS...
[20:39] <hellboyCL> one question!. I use ubuntu and in my pc I have 3 GB RAM but in free -m I can only see 1.7 GB RAM totally. What happend?
[20:39] <windows> It tried to windows 8, it gave me a bunch of options, and dos prompt is the only one that worked
[20:39] <EriC^^> !linuxatemyram
[20:39] <EriC^^> !ram | hellboyCL
[20:40] <daftykins> windows: to fix Windows you'll have to go to ##windows really.
[20:40] <windows> I don't have any restore points
[20:40] <windows> okay.
[20:40] <hellboyCL> ok, thanks you.
[20:41] <EriC^^> windows: can you type sudo parted -l && grep -A20 Windows /boot/grub/grub.cfg and paste in paste.ubuntu.com
[20:41] <hellboyCL> I read this page, so is normall! :(.
[20:46] <amazigh> slt ! je parle à un programme ou des personnes réelles
[20:46] <EriC^^> !fr | amazigh
[20:46] <nadrosima> hello friends
[20:47] <amazigh> I speek english
[20:47] <tijnix> nice
[20:48] <Mscc> how can i understand my ubuntu hacked ?
[20:49] <OerHeks> Mscc, what makes you think your ubuntu is hacked?
[20:50] <Mscc> low speed OerHeks
[20:51] <OerHeks> Mscc, sounds more low specs of your machine, what type of cpu and ram do you have?
[20:51] <tijnix> Define your low speed?
[20:52] <Mscc> OerHeks : ram : 1.5 , cpu intel Pentium
[20:52] <OerHeks> Mscc, maybe a lightweight ubuntu version like Xubuntu or Lubuntu is better for your machine
[20:53] <OerHeks> * if that intel is a single core
[20:53] <_pg_> I have an encrypted home directory on Ubuntu server, and transmission-daemon (running under its default user debian-transmission cannot write to it). How can I let the transmission user and thus transmission have write/read access to my encrypted /home?
[20:53] <Mscc> yes alright OerHeks
[20:57] <_pg_> on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[20:57] <nadrosima> _pg_: if want other user an home dir, need give permition to which user !
[20:58] <nadrosima> _pg_: but remember cant read owner files cos owner hash is different
[20:58] <_pg_> nadrosima: I don't want another home directory. TM runs under its own user, (debian-transmission) and that user does not have its own home directory. I want it to be able to write to my $USER directory.
[20:59] <_pg_> do all processes need to run as root or as $USER to have write access to an encrypted $USER home folder?
[20:59] <nadrosima> _pg_: if you are noot root cant write, but maybe user chown files to you
[20:59] <nadrosima> _pg_: files or dir whatever
[20:59] <OerHeks> As $user, yes
[21:00] <_pg_> nadrosima: I have tried adding the tm user to $USER group, giving tm user all group and user perms for download dir, still cannot write to that directory. furthermore tm user can write to any directory outside of /home without issue
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: add the user of the service to your username'd group. May help
[21:01] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: like this? $ sudo usermod --append -G debian-transmission $USER
[21:01] <_pg_> already tried that
[21:02] <nadrosima> _pg_: additional info : if a file not owned yours. (maybe you are root) you cant del rem read etc. first change dir permition
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: yeah then the group membership will give the access. Did you try rebooting after?
[21:02] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: yes.
[21:02] <_pg_> nadrosima: I have 777 the dir, chown the dir to that user and group, still no go
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: you need to look at the user owner and group owner then move from there. Make sure the group owner has sufficient access
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: 777 is a really bad idea
[21:03] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: just for troubleshooting
[21:03] <bekks> _pg_: 777 imposes trouble, it doesnt help resolving it.
[21:04] <nadrosima> _pg_: chown -R 777 your dir
[21:04] <bekks> nadrosima: Thats the worst ideo.
[21:04] <bekks> *idea
[21:04] <daftykins> nadrosima: you don't chown with perms ;)
[21:04] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: so two directories, every group, user owner, dir permission etc the same, the one on encrpyted home can't be written to by TM user, the one outside of encrypted home can
[21:05] <nadrosima> if a user or app got session on your computer (ex java) yes bad idea
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: maybe it's an encryptfs thing. Not something I use
[21:06] <_pg_> each folder's "stat" is identical
[21:06] <_pg_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10853187/
[21:06] <nadrosima> chown -R which_user 775 which_dir
[21:06] <bekks> nadrosima: Stats still wrong.
[21:07] <_pg_> almost identical
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: is this a laptop?
[21:07] <_pg_> no
[21:07] <_pg_> server
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: then why are you using encryptfs?
[21:07] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: in case my house gets broken into
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: are you really expecting that?
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> Jesus
[21:08] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: is anyone really expecting that?
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> I'd understand it on a laptop but on a home server....
[21:10] <nadrosima> _pg_: why encrypted if a user join your server , who care your files !
[21:10] <_pg_> nadrosima: ?
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: do you run a samba file server too?
[21:14] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: not currently
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: any similar file services?
[21:14] <nadrosima> _pg_: you encrypted dir and file names ?
[21:15] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: I just started this server pretty much from scratch, it runs ssh server, plex, thats about it.
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: plex running OK?
[21:16] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: yes. everything works as expected. I had some PAM stuff set up but reset that all to defaults to troubleshoot this
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> _pg_: what user does plex run as?
[21:16] <anew> can someone please help, i am running a perl script in cron... the log says 'done' but the script never runs
[21:17] <_pg_> ActionParsnip: I don't know if that is helpful, as Plex doesn't interact with /home at all
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> anew: did you mark the script as executable have have the correct hash bang as the first line?
[21:17] <bekks> anew: How does your crontab entry look like?
[21:17] <anew> where should i paste? pastbin?
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> anew: is it ran as your user?
[21:18] <anew> it's run as root
[21:18] <bekks> anew: that single line fits in here.
[21:18] <anew> or shold be...
[21:18] <anew> * * * * * perl /var/www/example.com/public_html/CronTest.pl
[21:18] <bekks> anew: You have to specify the full path to your perl binary.
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> anew: once a minute?
[21:19] <anew> once a minute jsut to test, the perl file is suppoed to create a file and write to it (which works if i run in cli
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> anew: or you can specify the perfect binary in the first line of the script
[21:19] <anew> bekks i had full path before
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> anew: and mark the file as executable
[21:19] <bekks> anew: It will not work without the full path.
[21:19] <anew> file is 755
[21:20] <anew> bekks i had /usr/bin perl
[21:20] <anew> i will put it again... but it was not working with that
[21:20] <bekks> anew: you need: /usr/bin/perl
[21:20] <anew> had that also, will change again and see
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> Anew add: #!/usr/bin/perl as the first line in the script
[21:20] <anew> ok
[21:21] <penguin1263> my bouncer is upgrading
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> anew: the file extension isn't necessary in Linux.
[21:21] <anew> /bin/sh: 1: usr/bin/perl: not found
[21:21] <bekks> anew: you missed a /
[21:22] <bekks> anew: #!/usr/bin/perl
[21:22] <anew> woops ok chaging
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> anew: or check which perl you are using with: which perl
[21:22] <anew> which perl = usr/bin/perl
[21:22] <bekks> anew: you missed the first / again.
[21:22] <bekks> the output is: /usr/bin/perl
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> anew: then add that as the first line, you need to add the first /
[21:23] <anew> * * * * * /usr/bin/perl /var/www/example.com/public_html/CronTest.pl
[21:23] <anew> not working
[21:23] <anew> and added the #1/usr/bin/perl
[21:23] <anew> to the script
[21:23] <bekks> anew: ! not 1
[21:23] <anew> #!/usr/bin/perl
[21:24] <anew> the output in var/mail/root says 'done'
[21:24] <anew> but the script cant be running because the file doesnt appear with the output...
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> anew: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[21:25] <anew> Ubuntu 14.10 \n \l
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> anew: http://perltricks.com/article/43/2013/10/11/How-to-schedule-Perl-scripts-using-cron
[21:27] <anew> was already on that page :(
[21:28] <fancyfetus> Ubuntu should make a smartwatch
[21:28] <fancyfetus> Ubuntu Edge inspired.
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> fancyfetus: this is support only. Casual discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:30] <anew> any other ideas ? in my mail it says 'done'
[21:30] <anew> but no output i dont know why
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> anew: did you try the link I gave?
[21:33] <anew> http://pastebin.com/QgUVZSq7
[21:33] <anew> ActionParsnip, yes, i was on that page before and went thru the troubleshooting
[21:33] <anew> here is my mail output
[21:35] <anew> ActionParsnip, any ideas ?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> anew: what is the output of: ls -la /var/www/example.com/public_html/CronTest.pl
[21:37] <anew> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 225 Apr 19 23:21 /var/www/example.com/public_html/CronTest.pl
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> anew: could try putting some lines in the script to populate a file as the file runs, so you don't just get an email at great end.
[21:39] <anew> i dont understand
[21:39] <anew> the script prints a line to file
[21:39] <anew> very simple
[21:39] <anew> just to get my cron working
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> anew: oh then that is what I was suggesting... Bah
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> Anew have you tried making it run every 2 minutes instead, just to test
[21:41] <anew> will change to every 2 min
[21:43] <anew> nope
[21:43] <anew> argh i hate perl
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> anew: cron a bash script too. See if that runs...
[21:57] <xnb> .
[22:00] <anew> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/976cc68e1505ec1e2154
[22:00] <anew> here is the complete script and cron
[22:00] <anew> if someone can help it's making me crazy
[22:01] <bekks> Specify a full path for your file to be created.
[22:03] <anew> bekks /var/www/example.com/public_html/report.txt
[22:03] <anew> still did not create it
[22:03] <anew> actually
[22:03] <anew> it did
[22:03] <anew> that was it
[22:03] <anew> bekks thanks
[22:08] <bvemu> #django-floppyforms
[22:13] <amd> hello everyone
[22:14] <shterion> How can I change my Login Screen Background image in Ubuntu Studio?
[22:14] <amd> i try to install new kernel 4.0 in linux mint 17.1, but i have a some problems with the driver fglrx 14.50... Causes cinnamon fallback... A tried to re-install driver but i have this error in the log error: [Error] Kernel Module : Failed to build fglrx-14.501.1003 with DKMS
[22:15] <wolfman2000> Good afternoon. How exactly is it decided which packages get placed in the next major release? As an example, cmake is still 2.8.12 or something with the most recent LTS, when they are now on 3.2.x.
[22:15] <k1l> amd: ask the mint support for help with that
[22:15] <k1l> !mint | amd
[22:15] <amd> yes
[22:15] <amd> i just try
[22:16] <Bashing-om> !latest | wolfman2000
[22:21] <bvemu> hi
[22:21] <bvemu> #django
[22:26] <LordWillO> so I'm still working on getting my server to work with RSA keys.
[22:27] <LordWillO> I can't figure out how to actually login using the key instead of a password, but I've got the key loaded into authorized_keys on the server
[22:27] <LordWillO> help!
[22:31] <vonsyd0w> generate key, copy public key to remote server; login
[22:33] <vonsyd0w> you can use ssh-copy-id to get the key to the remote server
[22:33] <racho> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSH_keys
[22:34] <LordWillO> I've got the key on the remote server already, but when I go to login, it still prompts for a password (and not the private key password)
[22:35] <LordWillO> i have a feeling it's because I haven't done anything with the private key. don't I need to tell SSH where my private key is located?
[22:36] <hkrrsx> morning
[22:36] <racho> LordWillO, it should be appended to ~./.ssh/authorized_keys
[22:37] <racho> LordWillO, read the link ^
[22:38] <LordWillO> i am, and the public key IS appended to the authorized_key file on the server I am trying to login to, but don't I need to do something with the private key?
[22:39] <LordWillO> when I try "ssh user@hostname", it doesn't do anything differewntly, just prompts for the password
[22:41] <vonsyd0w> LordWillO, check this link out: http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/36540/33396
[22:43] <LordWillO> that's helpful, I'll try it and let you know.
[22:48] <penguin1263_> umm
[23:00] <LordWillO> vonsyd0w, still no effect. Is there nothing I need to set to tell ssh where to look for the private key? I unkinowlingly named it webserver instead of the default id_rsa
[23:02] <vonsyd0w> maybe the -i option?
[23:02] <vonsyd0w> look up "man ssh" and the -i flag
[23:03] <vonsyd0w> personally i'd delete the key and generate a new one w/ the default name
[23:03] <vonsyd0w> fix it before it causes future issues
[23:07] <LordWillO> it worked. I have the names different because I have several SSH keys I have to keep track of for several systems.
[23:07] <p-trust> how to avoid eye-strain in ubuntu ?
[23:08] <LordWillO> p-trust, http://www.gunnars.com/
[23:08] <vonsyd0w> LordWillO, glad it worked
[23:08] <p-trust> LordWillO, I've got them yesterday
[23:08] <p-trust> I think it's getting even worse :(
[23:08] <k1l> !info gtk-redshift | p-trust
[23:15] <joao_> Hi everyone
[23:15] <joao_> I need help to solve a little thing
[23:19] <joao_> I need i little help
[23:20] <joao_> Can anyone do it?
[23:20] <EriC^^> with what?
[23:20] <hkrrsx> joao_: What's on your mind
[23:20] <vonsyd0w> ask away
[23:20] <joao_> well first sorry for my bad english
[23:20] <joao_> So i installed teamspeak 3 and is working well
[23:22] <joao_> but in the past, when press right click, an option to open runscript sh on terminal was showed
[23:22] <joao_> now to open the file i need to use the terminal
[23:24] <daftykins> joao_: if you follow teamspeak's readme file, it tells you how to make it auto run on startup
[23:24] <skinux> Anyone recommend a good free cPanel alternative that plays well with Ubuntu?
[23:24] <joao_> daftykins
[23:25] <joao_> I dont want it running on startup
[23:25] <daftykins> i see
[23:25] <joao_> Anyone knows what changed?
[23:25] <joao_> im using ubuntu 15.04
[23:25] <daftykins> oh well then you need to be in #ubuntu+1
[23:26] <daftykins> we don't deal with unreleased versions yet, technically.
[23:26] <joao_> so what it means?
[23:26] <kostkon> joao_, join #ubuntu+1 and post your question there
[23:27] <joao_> ok im gonna try
[23:27] <joao_> thx anyway
[23:27] <kostkon> joao_, /join #ubuntu+1 to join that channel
[23:29] <lzkill> my brand new sandisk usb stick breaks my network access whenever I plug it in. what should I look in order to debug this issue?
[23:29] <daftykins> joao_: although i wonder if this helps: http://askubuntu.com/questions/138908/how-to-execute-a-script-just-by-double-clicking-like-exe-files-in-windows
[23:30] <EriC^^> lzkill: any /dev changes?
[23:30] <daftykins> hmm i'd compare dmesg before and after?
[23:30] <EriC^^> maybe something is using /dev instead of the uuid or something
[23:33] <lzkill> in fact I'm away from the machine where the issue occurs, i'll try to figure this out tomorrow...
[23:33] <lzkill> any more ideas besides dmesg and /dev changes?
[23:35] <daftykins> lzkill: just to clarify, i'd boot up fresh with the device unplugged, run "dmesg > ~/file" then plug it in and run "dmesg > ~/file2" and share both via pastebin
i will give it a try!
[23:38] <lzkill> nice... i'll share my findings with you guys tomorrow night...
[23:38] <lzkill> thanks
[23:38] <bnl_> hi
[23:51] <Super_Ape> Hello, when I restart my computer it doesn't back to desktop... I must close the notebook, and open again to back to login screen...
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-cn | [00:01] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu GNOME • 缺少的语言包怎么安装? http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469638 不想unity设置里面点语言会自动检查缺少的语言包并提示安装，gnome没有啊！在哪里搞？ zz: haime — 2015-04-19 0:39
[00:12] <jackness> 谁成功架设过自己的网站的？
[01:24] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 您可以把车开得慢些 : 列车员:您买的是普快车票,怎么来乘特快列车?您得补票。乘客:为什么要补票,您可以把车开得慢些,我没钱补票,可有的是时间。
[02:22] <^k^> 新 内核及嵌入式开发 • 使用Ubuntu环境开发Android的问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469639 由于需要在某个嵌入式板上开发程序，首先根据该板子官方给定的方法编译出了一个相应的Android系统，并烧录到板子上，然后启动板子，此时，板子将依次启动u-boot、Linux内核、文件系统，前
[02:22] <^k^> ─> 面2个都成功启动了，但是在进入文件系统时，出现了如下的问题： Welcome to Buildroot buildro …
[02:26] <^k^> 新 软件推荐 • 基于JAVA的 天气预报小软件 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469640 先上图: 20150419102305.jpg 20150419102313.jpg java -jar JWeather.jar JWeather.jar zz: bcsflilong — 2015-04-19 10:25
[02:36] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 14.10 • 想更新源,gedit /etc/apt/sources.list但是gedit:command not found. http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469641 我的机子是校园网通过客户端上去的，虚机里面还木有联网。我是在vmware上装了虚机，里面安装的系统是从官网上下载的14.10的ubuntu server。具体代码如下，求大神指教：
[02:36] <^k^> ─> victoria@victoria:~$ sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list/etc/apt/sources.list.backup cp:missing destination file operand af …
[02:43] <theJian> fcitx不能在sublime中输入中文.....
[02:44] <kandu> jusss: 我没说过 smalltalk 不好
[02:44] <theJian> elementaryOS freya自带的scratch编辑器也没办法输入中文...
[02:44] <theJian> 你们可以输入中文么?
[02:45] <kandu> jusss: 去用用 erlang, 或者 OCaml 的 OO 系统。自己感受下就行了。
[03:06] <pity> 请教个问题，Perl 中使用什么模块实现 shell 中的 file xxx.txt 命令？
[03:07] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 14.10 • wine + TORTOISESVE 可行吗？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469642 原来有一个win7下面tortoisesvn管理的文件库，如何可以在ubuntu下面使用起来啊？ 我安装了WINE，在里面跑tortoisesvn，好像不大好用呢？ 报错：There is no Windows program configured to open this type of file. 求帮忙，需
[03:07] <^k^> ─> 要用这个文件库里面的文件。。。 zz: lcdxiangzi — 2015-04-19 11:06
[03:25] <void1> pity: File::MimeInfo
[03:45] <pity> void1: 谢谢，我看看
[03:49] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • 电脑硬盘灯狂闪，是什么原因？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469643 ubuntu12.04 LTS 浏览门户网站，电脑硬盘灯就会狂闪，鼠标点击页面也没反应。 拨了网线，还是闪个不停。 查看ufw防火墙日志，也没发现被攻击现象。 这时，只好重启电脑了。 不过，浏览论坛，就没
[03:49] <^k^> ─> 这问题了。 是什么原因？ zz: Licenses — 2015-04-19 11:32
[04:51] <pity> void1: File::MimeInfo 好像只返回文件是否是文本文件或二进制文件，而不像 shell 的 file 那样返回文件的具体类型，比如对 perl/python/elf 的分类
[04:59] <root____3> 大家谁成功创建网站啊？
[06:12] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • GRUB2官方文档翻译项目2 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469644 本人发起的项目： viewtopic.php?f=139&t=469523 一直都以为没人关注加入，后来发现原来有道云协助的群只能20人，看客太多站满了。。。 于是加了一条：1个礼拜内无作出贡献的不留。 现在重新发帖招聘义工，希
[06:12] <^k^> ─> 望有能力的多多出力，有关系的多多推广，谢谢。 (同时为了让足够多的眼睛去发现翻译 …
[06:29] <pity> void1: File::MimeInfo::Magic 这个能输入 mimetype，但和 shell 中 file 的输出还有些差距，用 File::LibMagic 就好多了
[07:56] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/31873.html 长相太那个了 : "我给你介绍的那个有钱的男人,你们约会没?" "恩,我去了,那个长相真的让我张不开腿。"
[07:57] <^k^> 新 游戏和游戏模拟器 • steam安装不了游戏 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469645 本来原来好好的，但是后面我下载几个游戏提示下载完成之后，发现文件夹内容为零，就删除重新下载，但是什么都不能下载了，更新也不行。 换了载点都不行，2天了！ 求游戏大神给点活路！ zz: loveofmar
[07:57] <^k^> ─> ia — 2015-04-19 15:56
[08:52] <happyaron> imtxc 在不
[09:42] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 情书一则 : 问:我爱你愿意和我一起看月亮吗? 答:有糖我就去. (两个小学儿童)
[09:47] <^k^> 取新帖 timeout
[10:14] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: happyaron 找你搞基
[10:14] <iMadper> happyaron: 你竟然不知道 imtxc的新 nick?
[10:23] <happyaron> iMadper: 额没看见 BuMangHuo，以为又换nick了
[10:49] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: happyaron 啥
[10:51] <BuMangHuo> 壕 aron 召唤我？
[10:51] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 你今天骑去哪里了
[10:58] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: pm了
[11:01] <BuMangHuo> happyaron: 膜拜
[11:01] * BuMangHuo 拜妹子dd壕 happyaron
[11:01] <BuMangHuo> 色大象呢
[11:02] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 没妹子
[11:45] <pity> 请教个问题，取多份数据的交集应该怎么取？我只会取两份的
[11:46] <jack77213> - -
[11:47] <jack77213> A∩B∩C 不是等于 （A∩B）∩C吗
[11:49] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/39719.html 无语的回答 : 语文课上老师问:"谁能解释下班师回朝是什么意思?"小明马上答道:"是指打了败仗"老师满脸疑惑,问道:"你为什么这样说?"小明:"都搬着尸体回去了,不是打败了是什么"老师..........
[11:51] <happyaron> pity: comm
[11:51] <happyaron> pity: man comm
[11:52] <pity> happyaron: comm 只能取两份数据的啊
[11:52] <happyaron> pity: 两份两份取呢。
[11:53] <pity> happyaron: 这不太好办吧
[11:56] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 闪电车行
[12:01] <pity> happyaron: 找到一个似乎可以取多个数组交集的模块 https://metacpan.org/pod/Set::Intersection
[12:01] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Set::Intersection - provides an API to get intersection (of set theory) of ARRAYs. - metacpan.org
[12:01] <happyaron> zan
[12:04] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 来回30公里, 感觉还好.
[12:04] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 帮我调了一下变速器, 现在超好用.
[12:05] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 感觉在市区内骑车, 一定要有个好... 刹车!! 不然都不知道怎么死的
[12:13] <gfxmode> iMadper: 频繁刹车不好，特别是骑长途，刹车耗能量
[12:13] <iMadper> gfxmode: 市区内, 不刹车有时候就得死
[12:13] <iMadper> gfxmode: 今天遇到好几个突然冲出来的电动三轮车特别快, 闯红灯
[12:14] <gfxmode> 8000块钱以下的闪电车不推荐买，推荐买美利达
[12:15] <gfxmode> iMadper: 这种骑三轮车、电动自行车闯红灯的是自己找死
[12:15] <iMadper> gfxmode: 是啊, 问题是我不想成为垫背的啊, 所以只好刹车咯~
[12:15] <gfxmode> iMadper: 市区内骑慢点，均速13kmh，基本上用不着刹车了
[12:19] <gfxmode> iMadper: 你用的什么码表？我的是BCL 1009
[12:19] <gfxmode> BC 1009
[12:31] <iMadper> gfxmode: 不用码表....
[12:31] <iMadper> gfxmode: 码表是用来看速度的? 我就是上个班而已, 不需要看速度...
[12:32] <gfxmode> iMadper: 不止。看速度、均速、最高时速、时间、总量程等等
[12:32] <iMadper> gfxmode: 哦, 这些我都不太需要... ...
[12:32] <gfxmode> s/量程/里程
[12:32] <iMadper> gfxmode: 我就是上班或者买菜骑...
[12:34] <gfxmode> iMadper: 嗯，那就不需要了。骑长途的时侯需要，虽然我骑的最长的长途是1天200km
[12:35] <iMadper> gfxmode: 这么远... 那你是需要. 你专业... 我就是上个班, 还不是天天骑...
[12:36] <gfxmode> iMadper: 是的。我现在也上班了，没时间骑，一个月一次。。。
[12:36] <iMadper> gfxmode: 你上班要多远?
[12:37] <gfxmode> iMadper: 13公里左右，骑要1个小时。你呢？
[12:37] <iMadper> gfxmode: 15公里, 不过我刚到手的车, 今天刚买到锁, 还没骑过
[12:37] <iMadper> gfxmode: 今天去了店里, 14公里, 路况不好, 骑着骑着就没自行车道了...
[12:38] <gfxmode> iMadper: 是的，很多城市的自行车道规划得不好，盲道也是
[12:39] <iMadper> gfxmode: 对啊, 突然就便成一个汽车要上桥, 行人走旁边的地下通道, 自行车只能去死的路了....
[12:41] <gfxmode> iMadper: 你这种情况还好，可以推车走地道；武汉跨江大桥中，只有长江大桥能走自行车，其余大桥（长江二桥、白沙洲大桥等）不让走自行车
[12:42] <gfxmode> 然后我当时要从长江二桥走，交警硬是不让，我只能走长江大桥，多绕了十几公里。。。
[12:49] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • 联想G410 win7 下安装Ubuntu12.04 并存，u盘安装重启时出现 The system is runnin http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469646 The system is running in the low-graphics mode, 我的显卡是 AMD Radeon R5 M230 和Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 网上查资料说是显卡问题 但是电脑小白 试着禁用了AMD 结果win7 进去屏
[12:49] <^k^> ─> 幕是花的 现在不知道怎么办了 求助各位帮个忙， zz: xumeng22 — 2015-04-19 19:13
[12:55] <jiero> 。。。
[12:55] <jiero> iMadper, 我没有人生目标了。
[12:55] <jiero> iMadper, 我没有人生目标了。。。
[12:55] <iMadper> jiero: 我的人生目标就是中彩票, 500w, 量词
[12:56] <iMadper> 两次
[12:56] * kandu 等我有500万了，就自己卖彩票玩。想中几次中几次
[12:59] <iMadper> kandu: 羡慕!
[13:03] <pity> happyaron: Set::Intersection 这个模块果然可以在多份数据中取交集，而且性能相当强
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-app-devel | [10:19] <Guest15598> hi guys, i'm interested in buying an Ubuntu phone and wanted to know if there is any app for mobiles in the Ubuntu Store that implements TOTP secuirity tokens like Google Authenticator
[10:51] <rpadovani> Guest15598, there is: https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.ubuntu-authenticator
[11:00] <nik90> rpadovani: hey
[12:01] <rpadovani> nik90, o/
[12:53] <Vostro> hi guys, i have a question for us ^^
[14:01] <Guest15598> rpadovani: thanx!
[15:52] <bertasg> hi everyone, can i install ubuntu-sdk on debian wheezy?
[18:58] <jgm90> hi guys
[18:59] <jgm90> i want to close popup on download finished but i cant access child component any help?
[18:59] <jgm90> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10852501/
[19:24] <nik90> jgm90: Add a connection inside the dialog component that tracks the on download finished signal
[19:24] <nik90> Dialog { .... Connection { target: single, onFinished: Poputils.close(dialogue) } }
[19:25] <jgm90> thank you
[19:28] <Hen_> Hey guys
[19:29] <Hen_> I'm having some issue with my ubuntu touch device not being detected
[19:29] <Hen_> any of you had that issue before?
[19:43] <nik90> Hen_: not really..did you activate developer mode on the device?
[19:46] <Hen_> Yes
[19:47] <Hen_> I've tried both enabled and disabled
[19:47] <Hen_> upon plugging in the device the ui brings pop up "Detecting devices"
[19:48] <nik90> hmm
[19:48] <nik90> Did you add the Ubuntu SDK PPA for ubuntu 14.04?
[19:48] <Hen_> nope
[19:48] <Hen_> I just ran apt-get install ubuntu-sdk
[19:49] <Hen_> could it be the wrong version?
[19:50] <nik90> try adding the PPA
[19:50] <nik90> Hen_: it brings in updated version of phablet-tools and etc which could help fix your device detection issue
[19:52] <Hen_> ok
[19:52] <Hen_> I'll give that a go
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-ops | [17:08] <OerHeks> Hi, can someone take a look at lnr in #ubuntu, some connection problem i guess.
[17:11] <bazhang> bada boom bada bing
[17:11] <bazhang> thanks OerHeks
[17:11] <OerHeks> thank you bazhang
[17:12] <OerHeks> he is still in 'offtopic as well
[17:13] <OerHeks> and back with its own ip.
[17:13] <bazhang> I'm not op there sorry
[20:03] <genii> @comment 67352 Known troll. 67351 same user also
[20:04] * genii slides k1l more coffee and cookies
[23:45] <elky> !no, !ops-#ubuntu-women is Nightrose JanC pleia2 elky Myrtti hypa7ia maco Gareth akgraner Mamarok Pendulum akk elly idleone Tm_T alanbell nigelb svaksha Cheri703 Pici rww valorie
[23:45] <elky> oh gods not this
[23:46] * valorie sacrifices a goat on behalf of elky
[23:46] <valorie> also, I just mowed the lawn for the first time in eons
[23:46] <valorie> why did I kill that goat?
[23:46] <k1l> is it another ubottu?
[23:51] <chu> valorie: I don't know, appeasing the Gods. But I don't know if the IRC gods are all that interested in goat carcasses (carcaii?).
[23:51] <valorie> lol
[23:52] <valorie> gods are usually after the blood
[23:52] <valorie> feel free to make some nice stew out of the carcass, chu
[23:52] <chu> I don't actually think I could eat goat.
[23:52] <valorie> some lentils would be nice in that
[23:53] <genii> chu: Because you're a vegetarian?
[23:53] <chu> I'd just do a dhaal in that case.
[23:53] <valorie> don't vacation in Afghanistan, then
[23:53] <chu> Nah, but I'm pretty picky/weird about what I do eat.
[23:53] <genii> Ah
[23:53] <valorie> I understand that is one of the main protein sources
[23:54] <valorie> I've not eaten goat that I recall, but .... they are mostly vegetarian, so I'm not against it
[23:55] <genii> They are pretty tasty
[23:55] <chu> I can happily eat pork (despite them being one of the most intelligent animals), I can happily eat beef (actually, I don't, but that's just pork is typically available everywhere), chicken and duck. But nearly ever other animals feels "strange" and I actually get a gag reflex while eating - which is extra strange, because I can get my hand down my throat without a gag reflex.
[23:58] * genii makes a note not to feed chu any goats | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.693670 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-arm | [09:19] <warsh> how do I change my username? I know about usermod -l [newName] [oldName] . But my the user is still running bash; and pkill isn't helping. Any suggestions?
[09:19] <warsh> s/my/ | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.694740 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-no | [11:07] <Malinux-> må også sette opp bitlbee igjen :)
[11:07] <Malinux> så tar jeg apache og får opp bloggen og sånt etterpå. håper jeg da :)
[11:07] <Malinux> også skal jeg sette til write-mostly på snurrisen også
[11:24] <RoyK> det står på
[11:24] <RoyK> md4 : active raid1 sdb1[2](W) sda1[0]
[11:46] <Malinux> hm | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.700793 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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"Malinux",
"Malinux-",
"RoyK"
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2015-04-19-#kubuntu | [01:27] <meteorhead> hello! I'm getting this error a lot http://pastebin.com/xDjBES1E
[01:28] <meteorhead> could you please be kind enough to tell me how to resolve this matter?
[01:28] <meteorhead> dpkg is IN the PATH btw
[01:34] <meteorhead> resolved with this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/160019/dpkg-cannot-find-ldconfig-start-stop-daemon-in-the-path-variable
[03:15] <roncursch> Hi.
[03:21] <mcc> Hi, i have a kubuntu install cd here, it has the dpkg files I need to install my wireless, is there a way to install just a specific dpkg and its dependencies from the CD instead of having to run the whole installer?
[04:49] <abdvac> Здорова пасаны
[04:50] <abdvac> Русскоговорящие есть ?
[04:51] <abdvac> вопрос есть поможет ето ?
[04:52] <excalibr> abdvac, english please
[04:54] <excalibr> mcc, it's probably easier to fetch the package files from mirror server
[04:54] <abdvac> oh sorry no English aim Russian
[05:08] <darthanubis> ? Ru
[05:12] <darthanubis> !ask
[05:13] <darthanubis> !russian
[05:14] <darthanubis> !russian@abdvac
[05:22] <mcc> excalibr: yeah, the problem i was having was i had no internet... so i couldn't download anything
[05:22] <mcc> excalibr: i figured it out, turns out I can tether from my phone >_>
[05:23] <mcc> hey uh
[05:23] <mcc> i'm on the 15.04 beta
[05:23] <mcc> i wanna shut down
[05:23] <mcc> the gui way isn't working rn
[05:23] <mcc> it says "shutdown" and "halt" are programs in the *upstart* package?
[05:23] <mcc> i don't want to install upstart, do i?
[05:24] <mcc> that's, like… a whole thing.
[05:25] <sysop2> hi. I have an x86 machine with a touch screen, how can I login and unlock it just using the touch screen?
[06:13] <mcc> Is there a planned release date for Kubuntu 15.04? I see the Ubuntu 15.04 release is next week.
[06:26] <Etriaph> I would imagine it'll be ready when it's ready. I know that's not great to hear, but it's pretty stable now.
[06:28] <mcc> ok. i installed the beta... now it is booting to a black screen
[06:28] <mcc> "lol"
[06:28] <Etriaph> I've heard that, not quite sure what the solution is though. I know that a fully up to date Beta 2 install is quite stable.
[06:29] <Etriaph> I've been running it for a few weeks.
[06:30] <valorie> Kubuntu will be released on release day, just like all the flavors
[06:30] <valorie> we are all Ubuntu
[06:30] <valorie> !release
[06:30] <valorie> !vivid maybe
[06:30] <valorie> pfff
[06:31] <Etriaph> :)
[06:31] <valorie> !vivid
[06:31] <mcc> Ubuntu release is the 23rd or something
[06:31] <mcc> Etriaph: i imagine that crashing on startup when yor'e running a beta OS isn't something to fix. just… install a working OS :)
[06:31] <Etriaph> I think it's the 26th
[06:31] <mcc> Etriaph: Although I *AM* curious how to trick GRUB into showing me the text startup, just once.
[06:31] <valorie> it is the 22nd, as the factoid says
[06:31] <Etriaph> mcc: I stuck with it and got past any issues I was running into.
[06:31] <mcc> I booted in recovery mode and got a kernel panic but i think that might be because it couldn't find whatever the file is to start in recovery mode.
[06:31] <valorie> mcc: use nosplash
[06:31] <Etriaph> mcc: Use the recovery console and manually update the box
[06:32] <mcc> etriaph: the grub recovery console?
[06:32] <mcc> valorie: does that require editing grub.cfg?
[06:32] <valorie> um
[06:32] <Etriaph> valorie: Actually, val's suggestion is the better route.
[06:32] <valorie> gosh it's been a long time since I did that
[06:32] <mcc> oh!
[06:32] <valorie> !nosplash
[06:32] <valorie> pff
[06:32] <mcc> "e to edit the commands before booting"
[06:32] <valorie> !grub
[06:33] <Etriaph> You can provide options to the kernel via grub.
[06:33] <valorie> the second link will have the info
[06:33] <mcc> i think i see what to do. i'm supposed to remove "quiet" and "splash"
[06:33] <valorie> yep
[06:33] <Etriaph> Even if it's booting to a blank screen, you should still have tty's available.
[06:33] <Etriaph> CTRL-ALT F1
[06:34] <Etriaph> It's sddm crapping out I would imagine.
[06:34] <valorie> or f2, if 1 doesn't work
[06:34] * Etriaph nods
[06:34] <valorie> some people have trouble with 1 for some reason
[06:34] <valorie> I think it is `systemctl enable sddm`
[06:35] <valorie> but darn it, that should be fixed by now
[06:35] <mcc> well, i think the blank screen might have been a kernel panic
[06:35] <mcc> but i'm not sure
[06:35] <Etriaph> You won't know until you see dmesg
[06:36] <mcc> ok, when i boot without "quiet splash" it prints this and then nothing happens http://imgur.com/LqteRK9
[06:37] <Etriaph> And it halts there?
[06:37] <mcc> yeah
[06:37] <mcc> i tried to find a vterm... i couldn't remember what the buttons were
[06:37] <mcc> one had the message about couldn't find /sbin/init
[06:38] <Etriaph> CTRL-ALT F2 should be sure fire
[06:38] <mcc> CTRL-ALT F2 currently shows a blinking underscore in the upper left of the screen.
[06:38] <mcc> CTRL-ALT F1 now shows... a slightly longer crawl
[06:39] <valorie> but, no init -- you should have systemd
[06:39] <mcc> it is hatled after printing all usb devivces
[06:39] <mcc> and the left side says [ 2.71728] and such
[06:39] <mcc> is that dmesg?
[06:39] <valorie> this is the beta, right?
[06:39] <mcc> yes, i think it might be the first one, i don't remember
[06:39] <Etriaph> Beta 2, I would try the daily image
[06:39] <mcc> i put it on right arond the time beta 2 was released
[06:39] <Etriaph> Beta 2 is where I started in the 15.04 stream and after a bit of a rocky start it's pretty stable.
[06:40] <mcc> well, whatever i had worked, then i did a apt-get update/upgrade and everything broke :)
[06:40] <Etriaph> Oh, so it wasn't the clean install that went haywire.
[06:40] <valorie> try `sudo apt install -f`
[06:40] <mcc> i think... if it is likely we actually are less than a week from the normal release
[06:41] <mcc> valorie: "try" it where?
[06:41] <valorie> perhaps something was only partially installed
[06:41] <valorie> in a virt. console
[06:41] <mcc> valorie: I don't appear to have any virtual consoles. I have a scroll of what look like kernel messages with apparent [ timestamps ] on ALT-CTRL-F1. I have a blinking underscore in ALT-CTRL-F2.
[06:42] <valorie> cont.+alt+usually f6 will get you back to gui
[06:42] <Etriaph> The tty's didn't spawn
[06:42] <valorie> yikes
[06:42] <Etriaph> He's seeing the output of dmesg
[06:42] <mcc> etriaph: she
[06:42] <mcc> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[06:42] <Etriaph> Oh, sorry :)
[06:42] <mcc> s'ok
[06:42] <mcc> so i'm on ALT-CTRL-F6 or so
[06:43] <Etriaph> If you had an image for the latest daily build, you could recover the install from the disk.
[06:43] <valorie> so some of the ttys work?
[06:43] <Etriaph> That's what I'd do next.
[06:44] <mcc> lookit this
[06:44] <mcc> http://i.imgur.com/GtJ7l0u.jpg
[06:44] <mcc> alt-ctrl-F6 on up display this
[06:44] <mcc> At first i just saw the #
[06:44] <mcc> i banged some keys and got the "l not found"
[06:44] <Etriaph> Yup, that install is fubar imo
[06:44] <valorie> right, no /sbin/init
[06:44] <mcc> if i keep banging keys i can get more messages of the "l: not found" sytle
[06:44] <mcc> ok
[06:44] <valorie> that's.....
[06:44] <valorie> gah
[06:44] <mcc> i *do* have systemd, though?
[06:45] <valorie> you should, yes
[06:45] <mcc> i checked. i booted into the key and /lib/systemd/systemd or whatever it is is there
[06:45] <Etriaph> mcc, if you want a head start on the release day, download a daily build ISO and repair the installation. It'll have updated packages.
[06:45] <mcc> Cool.
[06:45] <mcc> I'm pretty comfortable with waiting for release-- honestly, I spent all the time I had allocated for this laptop today. I'm gonna be out of town tomorrow and the start of the week will be busy.
[06:45] * valorie has some work to do and needs to disappear
[06:46] <valorie> best of luck, mcc
[06:46] <mcc> valorie etriaph thank you very much fo rth ehelp
[06:46] <Etriaph> Take it easy val
[06:46] <Etriaph> np mcc
[06:46] <Etriaph> Time for tea for me. :)
[06:46] <mcc> Anyway, I will boot back into Windows and this machine will quietly become a video game system for a few more days :P
[06:46] <Etriaph> Release is close anyway.
[06:47] <Etriaph> bbiab
[06:47] <mcc> bye
[09:27] <lordievader> Godo morning.
[09:29] <MoonUnit`> morning
[09:29] <lordievader> Hey MoonUnit`
[09:42] <mastro> buon giorno
[09:43] <mastro> sono nuovissimo di ubuntu
[09:43] <mastro> kubuntu*
[09:43] <mastro> mi serve una mano per installare un'alternativa a silverlight
[09:43] <valorie> !it | mastro
[09:44] <mastro> ok
[09:44] <mastro> sorry
[09:44] <mastro> i need help to install moon light or pipelight
[09:45] <mastro> i try to install this pack but dont work
[09:46] <mastro> there are someone to help me?
[09:47] <mastro> (i'm sorry for my orrible english)
[09:47] <lordievader> Wasn't that whole silverlight thing abandoned to oblivion?
[09:47] <zztopless> Hi... Just switched from a windows host with a couple of ubuntu guests to a Mint guest with the same kubuntu guests and for whatever reason all TOR traffic on the guests is very slow (fine on the host and fine on the guests if I boot the host back in to mywindows7 installation). By slow I mean ~30-40k/s tops (~20k/s average) compated to > 1 MB/s on either host or the guests when running off windows host.
[09:47] <zztopless> Any help would be much appreciated :)
[09:50] <valorie> !pipelight
[09:50] <valorie> !info pipelight
[09:50] <valorie> !info moonlight
[09:51] <valorie> hmmm
[09:51] <lordievader> !info silverlight
[09:51] <lordievader> !silverlight
[09:51] <lordievader> Ha, bruteforce!
[09:51] <valorie> lordievader uber alles
[09:54] <mastro> terminal write "impossible find moonlight-plugin-mozzilla pakage"
[09:55] <valorie> !info moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[09:55] <valorie> because it no longer exists, I'm guessing
[09:55] <mastro> i try whit only moonlight
[09:55] <lordievader> !info moonlight-plugin-mozilla trusty
[09:56] <valorie> unsure if mint can use our repos anyway
[09:56] <valorie> we don't support mint
[09:56] <MoonUnit`> moonlight ppa's haven't been updated since 2009
[09:57] <lordievader> mastro: What version of Kubuntu do you run?
[09:58] <mastro> 14.10
[10:00] <lordievader> Lucid was the latest with the moonlight-plugin-mozilla...
[10:01] <lordievader> mastro: Guess you are out of luck.
[10:01] <mastro> what?
[10:02] <mastro> i'm sorry
[10:02] <mastro> i've kubuntu 14.13
[11:28] <tori> I've got a major problem - today on Kubuntu 15.04 after boot I ger a black screen, my cursor and nothing else.
[11:29] <tori> I get get to tty2, and tried apt-get update and upgrade, but that didn't work
[11:29] <tori> also, removed nvidia drivers and removed the whole .kde directory, but no luck
[11:29] <tori> any ideas?
[11:36] <MoonUnit`> tried removing the .cache folder?
[11:43] <tori> MoonUnit, trying sudo chown <username>:<username> ksycoca5 in .cache right now as suggested in the forums
[11:43] <tori> and it works!
[12:02] <lschuetze> Hi. I am using Kubuntu 15.04 latest and I want to change/add accounts to IM Contacts but cannot find where to do that. Can anyone please point me to the right direction?
[12:05] <MoonUnit`> lschuetze: i had that trouble when i tried IM contacts, bad ui, make the app wider and a spanner icon should appear.
[12:06] <lschuetze> Oh, wow. Saved my day! Thank you.
[12:06] <MoonUnit`> np
[12:06] <lschuetze> Now I know what the not clickable > meant.
[12:07] <lschuetze> I thought there is some kind of drop down behind but it was never clickable :D
[12:08] <MoonUnit`> yeah took me a while to figure it out.
[12:20] <Dragnslcr> I reported that bug in the KDE Telepathy contact list. They aren't sure how to fix it.
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> I've gone back to using Kopete
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:50] <MoonUnit`> Hi
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hi MoonUnit`
[13:02] <sysop2> hi. I have an x86 machine with a touch screen, how can I login and unlock it just using the touch screen?
[13:08] <sysop2> I have tried putting the plasma keyboard on the unlock screen and that did not work.
[13:09] <sysop2> any ideas? running kubuntu 14.04
[13:10] <lordievader> sysop2: You could set lightdm to autologin.
[13:13] <MoonUnit`> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/help-with-setting-up-on-screen-keyboard-for-login-kde-lightdm-4175519396/#post5245609
[13:13] <MoonUnit`> last post claims you can edit a lightdm file to enable the keyboard
[13:14] <sysop2> is that really an answer? so the only way is to leave my computer open, or are you saying do autologin and then auto lock the screen?
[13:15] <lordievader> No. I am saying that is one way.
[13:16] <sysop2> but how do I unlock the screen without using the hardware keyboard?
[13:17] <sysop2> MoonUnit`, just read you post thank!
[13:17] <sysop2> s
[13:17] <sysop2> I had googled around and missed that some how. thanks!
[13:23] <sysop2> that helps with logging in but how do I unlock my screen without using the physical keyboard?
[14:22] <darthanubis> You can unlock via Bluetooth
[14:22] <darthanubis> I used to do that, it was cool
[14:26] <sysop2> I have done that before too, it is cool, hmm, since I am trying to replace my phone with this tablet that means I will need to have my bluetooth headset with me at all times so I could use that to unlock. THANKS!!!!
[14:41] <koftes> hello
[14:46] <darthanubis> It will unlock with just the phone no need for the headset. Either or
[14:49] <koftes> My work laptop with Kubuntu 12.04 has become unusable the last few days. After logging in and loading the desktop, it freezes within several seconds, even if you don't touch anything. Last time I rebooted, I managed to start the System Monitor before it froze, and noticed that various akonadi_* processes were collectively taking up most of the RAM (about 0.5 GB each).
[14:50] <koftes> Any ideas on what I could do to prevent this? It all started completely out of the blue.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> !12.04
[14:51] <BluesKaj> ok, koftes can you get to a VT/TTY to upgrade ?
[14:52] <koftes> BluesKaj: you mean upgrade the distro to 14.04 or something like that?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> no , just upgrade your packages
[14:55] <koftes> Yes, I did manage to do that from a terminal a couple of days ago, although it's extremely difficult to use that too; mostly, it doesn't work either (freezes).
[14:55] <koftes> I was hoping that the problem would go away if I managed to bring the packages up to date, but it didn't.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> koftes, do you suspect it could be a graphics driver problem ?
[14:58] <koftes> Not sure. It looks like it's related to Akonadi from the processes I see in System Monitor.
[15:02] <koftes> BluesKaj: I'm not even sure I use anything that needs Akonadi. I never use any of the standard software listed in https://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi, though I am using the Digital Clock.
[15:03] <koftes> in the System Tray, I mean.
[15:03] <BluesKaj> koftes, does killing it in system monitor fix the problem? You can also disable akonadi and akonadi
[15:03] <BluesKaj> and baloo
[15:04] <koftes> BluesKaj: I don't get the chance; it freezes too quickly.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> type akonadi in the kicker search , then disable it there , and baloo in system settings search
[15:06] <koftes> I suppose I could try with a lot of effort to get to a tty and kill processes from there, but I can't really do that every time I boot. I need to disable it permanently. By the way, I can boot into safe mode.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> then disable them in safe mode, that should carry over to default
[15:08] <koftes> BluesKaj: the KDE interface is not usable at all, so I can't really do any of that. Do you know how to disable it from safe mode (e.g., edit some configuration files to boot with Akonadi disabled)?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> koftes, hang on, let me check something'
[15:09] <koftes> OK, thanks.
[15:10] <BluesKaj> koftes,` killall akonadi-server
[15:12] <koftes> That kills it permanently? I mean, if I do that in recovery mode and reboot, will it not start again?
[15:13] <koftes> I just booted into recovery mode and dropped into a root shell prompt.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> no, but it should be enough for you to do the disabling
[15:14] <BluesKaj> try to get to the desktop of course
[15:14] <koftes> Actually, no. In recovery mode, it looks like Akonadi is not running ("akonadi-server: no process found"), which makes sense.
[15:15] <koftes> OK, I'll boot normally and I'll try to do that from tty before logging in to the desktop.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> koftes, you can find it by typing akonadi in the kickstart menu search then you can permanently disable it
[15:16] <koftes> I'll give that a go. Brb
[15:16] <BluesKaj> ko you don't use kmail do you?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> koftes,^
[15:16] <koftes> Nope
[15:17] <BluesKaj> ok good
[15:18] <koftes> OK, I got to a tty before logging in to the desktop (in normal mode), but it still says "akonadi-server: no process found", so I guess I'd have to log in first, but then it will freeze within seconds.
[15:18] <koftes> I'll try to be very quick
[15:55] <koftes> BluesKaj: found the solution! From terminal, before logging in to KDE, I opened ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc and changed StartServer from true to false.
[15:56] <koftes> None of those processes start now and it doesn't freeze.
[15:56] <koftes> Thanks for the help
[16:01] <BluesKaj> kolp, cool , thanks for the tip , I'll keep that in mind
[16:01] <BluesKaj> oops he left
[16:09] <abdvac> Здорова пасане
[16:10] <abdvac> Русскоговорилы есть ?
[16:10] <darthanubis> !russian
[16:12] <abdvac> /join #ubuntu-ru
[16:12] <abdvac> а здесь в чате нет Русских ?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> abdvac,^
[16:14] <darthanubis> удалить пробел перед/
[16:17] <abdvac> как создать свой Русский чат ?
[16:18] <abdvac> и я удалял пробел ничего
[16:18] <soee_> !ru
[16:19] <darthanubis> #ubuntu-ru
[16:20] <abdvac> все разобрался, спасибо
[16:20] <darthanubis> abdvac: Нажмите, что.
[16:21] <darthanubis> хорошо
[17:29] <Voyage_> need a video editing tool that can cut some parts of a .mov file, delete audio, put a watermark on top of video.
[17:30] <soee_> Voyage_: try kdenlive
[17:30] <Voyage_> did
[17:30] <Voyage_> its difficult for me to understand.
[17:30] <Voyage_> I opened file. I can only play it. what next?
[17:30] <soee_> other one: http://www.openshotvideo.com/
[17:31] <Voyage_> I have both. openshot and kdenlive
[17:31] <Voyage_> I opened file. I can only play it. what next?
[17:31] <MoonUnit`> avidemux?
[17:31] <Voyage_> well. I think i dont know how to use the tool
[17:32] <soee_> yuo shoudl see audio and video streams on timelines
[17:32] <soee_> and than you can manipulate them, cut etc
[17:32] <Voyage_> soee_, do you have teamviewer?
[17:32] <soee_> nope
[17:33] <Voyage_> skype?
[18:24] <lyze> Hello :) I have installed the Kubuntu 15.4 beta 2 and I have now a problem after using it for quite a bit :\ The System Tray won't show Skype / Steam / Spotify and so on and the theme won't apply at to all windows. for example if I would revert back to the default theme kmail and some other software is still (for example) black
[18:27] <BluesKaj> lyze, it's the nature of the devel OS , some things work fine and others don't, it's a problem with plasma 4 apps integration with plasma 5
[18:27] <lyze> BluesKaj: Yeah thats true but i just thought perhapse you guys have a solution to my problem. yesterday everything was ok
[18:28] <sysop2> I have had the same problem when I use the system tray as a widget on the desktop and not in 15.04, in many versions of kubuntu.
[18:28] <BluesKaj> lyze, userrs have differnt problems and thgey aren't easy to pinpoint
[18:28] <sysop2> in fact I gave up using it on the desktop and just setup a panel.
[18:29] <lyze> yeah :\
[18:29] <lyze> so I guess i should revert back to a stable version and wait till its releast :)
[18:29] <lyze> thanks cya ^^
[18:36] * BluesKaj hasn't used desktop icons for yrs, quicklaunch and launchers in the panel do the job for me
[18:45] <MoonUnit`> i like having desktop icons, screen looks bare without them.
[18:46] <BluesKaj> I install a familar scene as a background wallpaper which keeps it from being boring
[18:46] <soee_> i second what BluesKaj said :)
[18:46] <soee_> i do not use them liek 1-1,5 years now
[18:47] <soee_> krunner + kicker is enough
[18:59] <Mufley> hi everyone
[18:59] <BluesKaj> hi Mufley
[19:00] <Mufley> i was wondering if someone could give me some advice how to upgrade kubuntu 12.10 to 14.10.
[19:00] <Mufley> i have looked over the web, and i can find anything useful.
[19:00] <Mufley> "can't"
[19:01] <BluesKaj> Mufley, do you have /and /home partitions, if not then a clean install with data backup first tis the best route
[19:01] <lordievader> Mufley: You can't do that in one go. You need to go 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04 -> 14.10. Probably easier to do a reinstall.
[19:01] <Mufley> nope, just a single / partition.
[19:02] <Mufley> i was kind of getting that conclusion.
[19:02] <Mufley> thanks.
[19:56] <kdEFanboy> hello, I'm having a weird issue i don't find anything about on google: i've installed some google for desktop apps but when I open them they stay in the same launcher at the taskbar with a google icon but not its own icon, do you know how to deal with it? (I'm rooning kde)
[20:10] <cup`ocoffee> kdEFanboy: I can not really help you - but this will be specific to the special app I think
[20:10] <cup`ocoffee> so idk where you got it from - but probably you can find in on kde-apps.org?
[20:11] <cup`ocoffee> or where?
[20:11] <cup`ocoffee> if you can't find help here - you could try to comment under the specific app you use…
[20:59] <SouL_|_> Does anyone if it's possible to use a fingerprint reader in Kubuntu for login?
[21:01] <personal> How do i get the entire repo on to my harddrive . I just want the debs and i get sources when the 200 years download has completed. I searched and tried all kinds of things. I can't supposrt linux with communty distrution where internet is a high end luxery. It's more like a cloud service . I brought the 12.04 repo from OS disk and the debs are endcryed and one tiny scratch an d days worth of effecrt go down the drain. I have never being able to
[21:01] <personal> colete it it , well since ubuntu 12.04 first came out. Can somebody please help me. I'v searched the internet and help forum and just come old stuff that dont work. Maybe i'm doing something wronf i don't know. But i would i thought sudo apt-get * . Would do the trick , i'm having a bitch but why does everything have to be so dam hard and time consumming .
[21:02] <genii> SouL_|_: I have used before fingerprint-gui with kdm, but have not used it with lightdm yet
[21:04] <genii> personal: The usual way would be to install and set up apt-mirror
[21:06] <SouL_|_> genii: it's the first time I want to try it and I don't know where to start :S
[21:06] <personal> How do i use apt-mirror and set it to to my local fastest one. Ubuntu main is way to slow and this server only uses FTP .
[21:07] <personal> I thin it does anyway
[21:09] <genii> personal: The repository beginning with your local country-code is usually the fastest ( but not always) . So if USA repo beginning name is us.archive.ubuntu.com, if Germany then de.archive.ubuntu.com and so on
[21:10] <personal> I think this one maybe - http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/ubuntu/
[21:12] <genii> SouL_|_: Might want to check out https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui
[21:13] <SouL_|_> I will try that genii, a huge hug for you, thanks
[21:24] <personal> Look like google is being kind on me for the first time in 10 years and i actually found a dead simple page on github , that makes it so simple.
[21:24] <personal> Thank you
[21:34] <nirmankarta> test
[21:37] * genii makes more coffee
[21:40] <personal> Dont drink coiffee , it will kill you. All you really doing is giving your self cortison. The bodies most powerful anti inflammatory .
[21:40] <genii> personal: It helps fend off the dementia
[21:41] <personal> It gives you dementia
[21:41] <genii> Well, it is a discussion for another channel which is not for support :)
[21:44] <personal> Acetylcholine, major neurotransmitter of the nervious system , target of the neonic pesicides. Cells can't communicate. Choline is a smart drug these days. Its an essential vitamine
[21:44] <personal> Yeah your right. anouther channnel
[21:46] <personal> I'm running kubuntu 15.04. Do you know of any decent voices for jovie ?
[21:48] <personal> And why is the long term release not the final 4 series of KDE ? . Don't make sence , it only only has short term support and the long term one is not the last KDE 4 ?
[22:02] <RobertJDohnert> personal I think just because it hasnt been built yet. You may want to file a bug
[22:03] <personal> 127.4 GiB will be downloaded into archive. I guess its downloading the entire the internet.
[22:05] <genii> Just the *buntu parts
[22:06] <genii> Hopefully you don't get charged for overages on your internet use by your ISP
[22:09] <personal> I dont have that much room. Its massive . Do you know know if i can get it one to anouther internal drive . I'v got anouther drive installed.
[22:14] <personal> Regular cron jobs for the apt-mirror package . 0 4 * * * apt-mirror /usr/bin/apt-mirror > /var/spool/apt-mirror/var/cron.log # what is this. How do i configre what it does ?
[22:22] <genii> personal: Simplest way would be edit /etc/apt/mirror.list and change the value of mirror_path to the mountpoint of another place with more room
[22:27] <bprompt> hmm
[22:27] <bprompt> 127.4 gbs? what the dickens is that?
[22:28] <bprompt> for the size, it better cook breakfast and dinner, whatever that is
[22:28] <genii> bprompt: They are downloading entire repositories
[22:28] <bprompt> ohhh... a mirroring site... I see
[22:29] <genii> So I'd guess about 4 or 5 because I found before a single repo was around 30G
[22:41] <personal> 67.1 GiB
[22:41] <darthanubis> has anyone used okteta in plasma5? I can't open a file, kubuntu 15.04
[22:42] <personal> I dont know what its doing but its not goign it to the folder i want it too
[22:43] <genii> personal: The config file for apt-mirror is /etc/apt/mirror.list as I've said above. Besides just listing in there what repos you want to mirror, it has also other settings like where to put the mirror.
[22:45] <personal> Genii: I done that. And just make sure i put it as the first entry too.
[22:45] <personal> set base_path
[22:48] <genii> personal: Changing the config file if it was already in the middle of running will not of course take effect until the next time you run it
[22:49] <personal> yes
[22:54] <personal> i will do a restart and see what happens.
[23:13] <personal> sudo apt-mirror > /media/personal/Storage_1/repo_ubuntu/ # dont work
[23:15] <personal> I'm just going to try the long term release and reorganise the drives. Thanks for the help . I'v learned a few new things today.
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-za | [05:37] <Kilos> good morning za peeps
[05:58] * Kilos waits to see if shedding will strike again
[07:16] <Kilos> ek word sommer mal
[07:56] <Kilos> morning pieter2627
[07:56] <pieter2627> hi Kilos
[07:57] <pieter2627> How are things?
[07:58] <Kilos> quiet, we waiting for superfly to get a break to check the site comment and tell us what next
[07:58] <Kilos> his days are way to short to get everything done
[07:59] <Kilos> how are you?
[07:59] <pieter2627> ah i see... good ty
[08:00] <Kilos> s/comment/content
[08:00] <Kilos> if you are bored you can help me though
[08:01] <pieter2627> with what do you need help?
[08:01] <Kilos> lol finding the missing locos or any ubuntu or linux users there
[08:02] <Kilos> only if you are bored with nothing to do
[08:02] <Kilos> i found another group
[08:02] <Kilos> kenya
[08:03] <Kilos> they are in the lug and the founder guy is back in switzerland
[08:05] <pieter2627> i'll be able to check some just before 12H. Where does one look for them?
[08:06] <Kilos> this is what ive found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[08:06] <Kilos> wait ill give another link for where to find them
[08:07] <Kilos> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[08:08] <Kilos> i have just been contacting those i could via email but many have answered
[08:08] <Kilos> maybe they dont like my face
[08:09] <Kilos> i use the slexy link in ubuntu-africa as a greeting message
[08:10] <pieter2627> ok
[08:11] <Kilos> but Symmetria said his servers are going mad with download and so on so there must be many buntu users out there
[08:11] <Kilos> finding them is the thing
[08:12] <pieter2627> i might try google then... it normally likes me :P
[08:12] <Kilos> lol
[08:13] <Kilos> ya google isnt my friend, it just gives me more work
[09:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:52] <pieter2627> Kilos: i see the africanTeam(s) wiki page list some as missing, does it mean that contact can be established or...?
[09:53] <pieter2627> s/can/can't/
[09:53] <Kilos> everytime i find one i add them in there or get them to do it and mark them as not missing anymore
[09:54] <Kilos> those that show as missing are those that have been inactive for a long time
[12:39] <mopkop42> Hello...
[12:40] <Kilos> hi mopkop42
[12:41] <Kilos> hoekom kom jy van die site aff
[12:41] <Kilos> af
[12:41] <mopkop42> Hello oom Kilos! Hoe gaan dit?
[12:41] <Kilos> goed dankie en self
[12:42] <mopkop42> Ek is op die kerk se laptop...
[12:42] <Kilos> aha
[12:42] <mopkop42> Op win Vista.
[12:42] <Kilos> eish
[12:42] <mopkop42> Ek kom nou juis raad soek...
[12:42] <Kilos> lol
[12:43] <Kilos> watse raad?
[12:43] <mopkop42> Ek wil graag ubuntu oplaai, maar dit is 'n ou laptop. Dit het net 1GB RAM. So ek wil weet, moet ek Ubuntu MATE of ElementaryOS oplaai?
[12:43] <mopkop42> Watter een sal die beste loop?
[12:43] <Kilos> ek dink elementary maar dis net ek
[12:44] <Kilos> hier by my was dit lekker lig
[12:44] <Kilos> het not nie ubuntu mate probeer nie
[12:44] <Kilos> nog
[12:45] <Kilos> elementary lyk baie soos mac
[12:45] <Kilos> as ek reg onthou
[12:45] <Kilos> afternoon superfly
[12:51] <mopkop42> Lyk my MATE spesialiseer vir laptops, hoewel elementary mooier lyk...
[12:54] <Kilos> kyk na wat mate wil sien in hardeware
[12:56] <Kilos> ek het mate op unity instaleer hier eens en dit was vinnig soo gnome 2
[12:56] <Kilos> soos
[12:58] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:58] <magespawn> i am using xubuntu
[13:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:01] <Kilos> ya mopkop42 xubuntu is ook lig
[13:02] <magespawn> and i have found kali to be light too
[13:02] <Kilos> but 1g ram is min
[13:04] <Kilos> het die ding xp op mopkop42 ?
[13:05] <mopkop42> Nee Vista..
[13:05] <Kilos> o ja
[13:05] <mopkop42> lol
[13:05] <Kilos> ek vergeet
[13:05] <mopkop42> Ja, ek het gekyk na xubuntu. Mate lyk mooier :)
[13:05] <Kilos> mate is lekker
[13:06] <Kilos> soos gnome2 lekker was
[13:06] <Kilos> amper anyway
[13:07] <mopkop42> amper?
[13:09] <Kilos> ja die drie goed wat bo was met gnome2 is net 2 , jy moet een van hulle oopmaak om die derde een se goed te sien
[13:09] <Kilos> apps en twee ander, ek vergeet wat
[13:09] <Kilos> die derde een is nou in die eerste een
[13:10] <mopkop42> Darem het ek nooit gnome 2 gebruik nie, so ek hoef nie gewoond te raak aan die nuwe goed nie...
[13:10] <Kilos> lol
[13:13] <Kilos> gnome2 was baie lekker
[13:42] <mopkop42> Good day everyone, have some Church things to do...
[13:53] * nlsthzn sees mention that mate looks good... wait wut?
[13:53] * nlsthzn shudders
[13:53] <Kilos> lol
[13:53] <Kilos> compared to untiy
[13:53] <Kilos> unity
[13:56] <Kilos> nlsthzn what are you using now
[13:56] <nlsthzn> unity
[13:56] <Kilos> oh my
[13:56] <nlsthzn> but I would like to be using gnome 3
[13:56] <Kilos> strange i never tried gnome 3 and now im so happy with kde i might never
[13:57] <nlsthzn> depending on the mix of apps you use there is so much inconsistancies with the way mate looks... issue of gtk2 and gtk3 and the fact that gnome is continiously changing the defaults of how applications should look etc... frustrating for me to use linux at the moment...
[13:58] <nlsthzn> both gnome and kde is doing good stuff and then there is parts that just suck >.<
[13:58] <Kilos> no man kde rocks
[13:58] <nlsthzn> it is ok
[13:59] <Kilos> a whole year crash free
[13:59] <Kilos> more now even
[13:59] <nlsthzn> I am sure that most distro's and interfaces can stay up depending on what you do with it...
[13:59] <nlsthzn> I can crash anything :p
[13:59] <Kilos> lol
[13:59] <Kilos> well you try fix what wasnt even broken
[14:00] <nlsthzn> messing with games native and via wine really shows some of the less than ideal systems on linux
[14:00] <Kilos> i dont even try wine anymore
[14:00] <Kilos> crashed unity twice so thats it
[14:00] <nlsthzn> sound and video subsystem is really patchy... perhaps wayland and or mir will help a bit on the video side
[14:00] <nlsthzn> as for the sound... who knows
[14:01] <nlsthzn> must say ubuntu 14.04 is so far giving me no hassle...
[14:01] <Kilos> 15.10 is mir hey?
[14:01] <nlsthzn> nope
[14:01] <nlsthzn> not sure when mir will drop
[14:01] <Kilos> 14.04 is super stable
[14:02] <Kilos> oh i thought it was out in 15.04
[14:02] <nlsthzn> the .2 update did break a few things which really p*ssed me off but there are always work arounds online :p[
[14:02] <Kilos> not 15.10
[14:02] <nlsthzn> oh perhaps 15.10
[14:02] <Kilos> broke what
[14:02] <nlsthzn> was thinking of 15.04
[14:03] <nlsthzn> they haven't ported all of the latest packages to .2 so you can't install them...
[14:03] <Kilos> what broke with updates on 14.04
[14:03] <nlsthzn> makes some wine and steam things not work properly... there is a bug filed but no fix yet
[14:03] <nlsthzn> some mesa gl things
[14:03] <Kilos> oh not ubuntu stuff
[14:03] <Kilos> add on stuff
[14:03] <nlsthzn> yes core files
[14:04] <nlsthzn> that come with ubuntu normally
[14:04] <Kilos> ya but your addons broke them
[14:04] <nlsthzn> no
[14:04] <Kilos> must be
[14:04] <nlsthzn> anybody installing 14.04.2 will face this issue...
[14:04] <Kilos> im fully up to date and nothing broke
[14:04] <nlsthzn> that is why there is a bug report with many people commenting
[14:05] <nlsthzn> it may be to do with our hardware and the applications we would like to run
[14:05] <Kilos> ah
[14:05] <nlsthzn> just because it works for you doens't mean there is nothing broken ;)
[14:05] <Kilos> haha
[14:05] <nlsthzn> anyway there is a work around if you find the bug report and read the correct comment
[14:06] <nlsthzn> which reminds me, I have some more Windows applications to install :p
[14:06] <Kilos> only real hassles ive ever had have been nm
[14:06] <Kilos> eeek
[14:06] <Kilos> see
[14:06] <Kilos> you break it
[14:07] <Kilos> you like putting fiat uno parts in an audi
[14:07] <nlsthzn> oh well... maybe the power of a thousand geeks not strong enough for my foo
[14:08] <nlsthzn> for all of the anti windows sentiment there is a lot of things that it does well... but biased will always make the world look different
[14:08] <Kilos> you know what pro and his buddy did to me
[14:08] <nlsthzn> nope
[14:08] <Kilos> ya the 7 i run works
[14:08] <Kilos> i lent them my sjambok naow they wont give it back
[14:09] <nlsthzn> ... baby bath time... sorry will be back later (perhaps)
[14:09] <Kilos> now in gonna apply to be on the council and not lend the stronger sjambok to anyone
[14:09] <Kilos> enjoy
[14:09] <nlsthzn> tell them to give it back :p
[14:10] <Kilos> they say no more capitoal punishment
[14:10] <Kilos> twits
[14:10] <Kilos> cyber sjambokking hurt no one
[14:31] <nlsthzn> Kilos, not sure why you would have a sjambok... nobody here is a slave... all volenteers last time I checked :p
[14:36] <Kilos> wow now you starting too
[14:37] <Kilos> i give up
[14:37] <Kilos> and become a beggar again
[14:37] <Kilos> volunteers
[15:33] <inetpro> dankie nlsthzn
[15:33] <inetpro> at least someone who agrees with me :-)
[15:34] <inetpro> good afternoon everyone
[15:34] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[15:34] <nlsthzn> I know it can be frustrating uncle Kilos ... best you can do is your best and those it inspires will add more value... most won't... this is the nature of the beast...
[15:35] <nlsthzn> everyone scratches his or her own itch
[15:35] <nlsthzn> oh hai inetpro
[15:35] <nlsthzn> :)
[15:35] <Kilos> its fine i will design cyber torture methods
[15:35] <inetpro> ai!
[15:35] <Kilos> ohi inetpro
[15:36] <Kilos> i have friends in hidden places
[15:37] <Kilos> and the mafia dont care about modern rules
[15:39] <Kilos> and of course there is always the pro. after much todo about nothing he still gets things done
[15:39] <nlsthzn> just be careful not to tare down all that you have built up ;)
[15:39] <Kilos> haha you think i would break down all my tears and sweat
[15:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:40] <nlsthzn> not on purpose
[15:40] <nlsthzn> we control our actions, not the consequences of those actions
[15:40] <Kilos> well by accident i can be forgiven
[15:40] <nlsthzn> and that would give you satisfaction?
[15:41] <nlsthzn> oh well I MEANT no harm...
[15:41] <nlsthzn> so alls well I guess
[15:41] <nlsthzn> :/
[15:41] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <Kilos> no man
[15:41] <Kilos> how often do i offend peeps
[15:42] <nlsthzn> I doubt you do :)
[15:42] <nlsthzn> and keep up the amazing work you are doing btw
[15:42] <Kilos> one doesnt hurt his family
[15:42] * nlsthzn can hear an unhappy baby again
[15:42] <nlsthzn> *sigh*
[15:42] <Kilos> shame
[16:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:12] <inetpro> wb danfowler
[17:12] <inetpro> oh and Neo31
[17:22] <inetpro> heh Kilos, I see you got yourself into trouble this morning?
[17:22] <Kilos> with who now?
[17:23] <inetpro> the news team
[17:23] <Kilos> oh he apologised once he rtfs
[17:23] <Kilos> he misunderstood
[17:24] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[17:25] <Kilos> i didnt ask for help as such, i said what we are doing and if anyone could help we would be thankfull i think
[17:26] <Kilos> one from the board has already come to me with links
[17:26] <Kilos> they know Kilos is in town
[17:26] <Kilos> soon they will hide like you
[17:27] * inetpro has never posted anything newsworthy before
[17:27] <inetpro> is this the place they told you to post?
[17:27] <inetpro> to post to*
[17:27] <Kilos> here?
[17:27] <inetpro> no man
[17:27] <inetpro> ubuntu-news-team
[17:27] <Kilos> yes thats what the lady told me to send to but she said send to the team because she could be away
[17:28] <inetpro> ah
[17:28] <Kilos> i try not to make mistakes but ya
[17:28] * inetpro only subscribed to it the other day
[17:29] <Kilos> im happy, because they add news about the new korea team and i helped them
[17:29] <Kilos> like you do
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[17:29] <Kilos> gave them links
[17:29] <inetpro> cool
[17:30] <Kilos> but at leasat cantide has contacts there now too
[17:30] <Kilos> least
[17:31] <inetpro> will be interesting to see the reaction once it hits the big news
[17:31] <Kilos> peeps will get to understand i make many mistakes but i try everything i can to help ubuntu not me
[17:33] <Kilos> but im not going to become a FB fan
[17:33] <inetpro> uh, seriously!?
[17:33] <Kilos> i dont like it man you know that
[17:34] <inetpro> oh I read that wrong... missed the _not_
[17:34] <Kilos> haha
[17:34] <Kilos> rtfs
[17:34] * inetpro almost fell off his chair
[17:35] <Kilos> haha
[17:35] <Kilos> i dont think though at times
[17:35] <Kilos> i asked neo to translate the greeting to french for me
[17:36] <Kilos> but i forgot i met a lady last night thats also an ubuntu fan and is in the south of france
[17:36] <Kilos> so ill ask her just now
[17:36] <Kilos> she even has a ppa package
[17:37] <inetpro> Kilos: you forgot your other job
[17:37] <Kilos> uh oh
[17:37] <Kilos> i still greet everywhere
[17:37] <Kilos> and look at trello
[17:38] <inetpro> you let the klaus dude slip through your fingers in locoteams
[17:38] <Kilos> what did i miss
[17:38] <Kilos> he spoke foreign
[17:38] <inetpro> use google translate
[17:38] <inetpro> google can help you to speak foreign
[17:38] <Kilos> after he left i realised i helped him before i think and he does english
[17:39] <Kilos> im too slow man
[17:39] <Kilos> he wanted a command to install stuff right?
[17:39] <inetpro> :-)
[17:39] <Kilos> i would have taught him aptitude
[17:40] <Kilos> oh but anyway thats not my job there
[17:40] <Kilos> i cant support the world
[17:41] <Kilos> then i get told this isnt a support channel
[17:42] <Kilos> do you even look at trello anymore inetpro ?
[17:42] <Kilos> so much stuff there
[17:43] <inetpro> I deleted it
[17:43] <Kilos> wow really?
[17:43] <Kilos> why?
[17:43] <inetpro> useless technology
[17:43] <Kilos> eish
[17:43] <inetpro> haha... I'm joking man
[17:43] <Kilos> you lie man
[17:44] <Kilos> haha
[17:44] <Kilos> oh i saw some other funny stuffs
[17:44] <Kilos> lemme see if i can find it
[17:45] <Kilos> but i dont even know what reddit is
[17:45] <Kilos> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/l5b3x/members_and_canonical_employees_claim_your_flair/
[17:47] <Kilos> dont say rtfs
[17:47] <Kilos> not even in caps
[17:50] <inetpro> Kilos: it's about http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:50] <Kilos> are there pictures
[17:51] <Kilos> no man whats that link doing
[17:52] <Kilos> looks like unity installing
[17:52] <Kilos> killed it now
[17:54] <inetpro> ah, I think I know what you want
[17:54] <inetpro> you want the flair thingy?
[17:54] <Kilos> im gonna hit you
[17:54] <Kilos> i was wondering what that was
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: first read about reddit
[17:55] <inetpro> 'https://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq
[17:55] <Kilos> do you use it?
[17:55] <inetpro> no
[17:55] <inetpro> well, yes
[17:55] <inetpro> sometimes
[17:56] <inetpro> depends
[17:56] <Kilos> make up your mind
[17:56] <Kilos> what do you use it for
[17:56] <inetpro> is a nice place to view popular opinions
[17:56] <Kilos> oh
[17:57] <inetpro> links that receive community approval bubble up towards #1
[17:57] <Kilos> i need to go there, maybe they can help me
[17:57] <inetpro> it's like a commenting site
[17:57] <Kilos> so what is that flair thing
[17:57] <inetpro> people post comments about anything and everything
[17:58] <inetpro> if you post a comment you're just a number
[17:58] <inetpro> people just end up ignoring you
[17:58] <Kilos> if i post everyone will have to read it twice to understand
[17:59] <inetpro> but with a flair you stand a better chance
[17:59] <Kilos> is that all
[17:59] <Kilos> like brownie points
[18:00] <inetpro> yep, it allows you to stand out in the crowds
[18:01] <Kilos> no i like being hidden
[18:02] <Kilos> but you cant paint a roof from the bottom of the ladder
[18:04] <inetpro> good point
[18:04] <inetpro> that is why I don't use it
[18:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <Kilos> now
[18:04] <inetpro> well then again, I said I do use it... hmm...
[18:04] <inetpro> well
[18:04] <Kilos> what are you doing about membership
[18:05] <inetpro> I just read what others say, in other words, in that sense I actually do use it
[18:05] * Kilos waits!
[18:05] <inetpro> he's waiting for?
[18:06] <Kilos> what are you doing about membership
[18:06] <inetpro> I don't use it
[18:06] * inetpro thought he said so
[18:06] * Kilos waits!
[18:07] * inetpro already mentioned that he is not using it
[18:07] <Kilos> what are you doing about your membership
[18:07] <inetpro> it in this case is still referring to reddit membership
[18:07] <Kilos> we are past that
[18:08] <inetpro> and Kilos is referring to ubuntu membership?
[18:08] <Kilos> ubuntu membership
[18:08] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:09] <Kilos> if you like i will vote 0
[18:09] <Kilos> that means abstain i think
[18:09] <inetpro> ai!
[18:10] <inetpro> loadshedding killed him again?
[18:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:11] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[18:11] <Kilos> ty who killed me
[18:11] <Kilos> oh ami i have a home network
[18:11] * Kilos clever
[18:12] <Kilos> eth and wifi
[18:12] <Kilos> and no need for iptables thank heavens
[18:12] <Kilos> kde has really gone forward with nm
[18:13] <Kilos> why did you say yikes inetpro ?
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: about the misunderstanding
[18:14] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <inetpro> the answer is, one day
[18:14] <Kilos> sigh
[18:14] <Kilos> see things dont work without a sjambok
[18:14] <inetpro> when I' ready
[18:15] <Kilos> you are way past ready, shoulda been done years ago
[18:18] <inetpro> my evidence of real contribution is still low
[18:18] <Kilos> eish
[18:21] <Kilos> soon the site will launch then you have that to add as well
[18:21] * inetpro is not good at advertising his self
[18:21] <Kilos> also add you helped under extreme conditions to make me
[18:22] <Kilos> you can and i am goosie and what you do and when you started etc
[18:22] <Kilos> then testimonials do the rest
[18:22] <inetpro> jaja
[18:23] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:23] <inetpro> when is your next meeting?
[18:23] <Kilos> i dunno its too hard to find on the calender
[18:24] <Kilos> that other link where you add yourself at a certain time is better for me
[18:24] <Kilos> but the girls will remind me hopefully
[18:25] <Kilos> i must just smile nicely
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro where is that link where new members add them selves please
[18:30] <inetpro> erm
[18:31] <Kilos> that one with the 2 times
[18:31] <inetpro> oh that
[18:31] <Kilos> ya
[18:32] <inetpro> follow the trail https://ubuntu-za.org/
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[18:33] <Kilos> ty
[18:33] <Kilos> no man
[18:33] <inetpro> yes man
[18:36] <Kilos> first thusday and 3rd wednesday of the month
[18:36] <Kilos> thursday
[18:36] <Kilos> too much rtfs to get there
[18:37] <inetpro> https://ubuntu-za.org/ -> Getting Involved -> Join us! -> Become an official Ubuntu Member -> 12:00 UTC Board / 22:00 UTC Board
[18:37] <Kilos> ya lotsa work
[18:37] <Kilos> ive had a long day
[18:39] <Kilos> ive bookmarked it 3 times now
[18:39] <Kilos> sigh
[18:39] <Kilos> already i mean
[18:40] <inetpro> no need to bookmark
[18:40] <inetpro> just click our homepage above and follow the trail
[18:40] <Kilos> ya ill remember how now
[18:42] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[18:43] <pieter2627> Hi Kilos
[18:43] <inetpro> wb pieter2627
[18:43] <pieter2627> oh hi inetpro
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: go look at your calendar and switch to the Calendar tab, at middle top you will see a dropdown with Events in the Next 7 Days being selected
[18:59] <inetpro> click the dropdown and select Events in the Next 31 Days
[18:59] <inetpro> then in the search box next to that type 'Ubuntu Membership' and see what happens
[19:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:01] <inetpro> you will see that your next meeting is on Friday, 8 May at 00:00
[19:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:05] <Kilos> i see that ty
[19:07] <Kilos> 8 may and 20 may
[19:07] <Kilos> you could make the 20 may one
[19:07] <Kilos> comfortably
[19:08] <Kilos> superfly are you too busy sir?
[19:22] <inetpro> bye neo{tab}
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:23] <pieter2627> night all
[19:24] <inetpro> good night piet{tab}
[19:24] <inetpro> ai!
[19:24] <inetpro> Maaz: is http://ubuntu-africa.snyman.info/ up?
[19:25] <Maaz> inetpro: No, http://ubuntu-africa.snyman.info/ is down (Server is not responding)
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:27] <Kilos> isnt in ubuntu-africa.info
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: the new one yes
[19:28] <inetpro> that is for production
[19:28] <Kilos> oh
[20:00] <smile> Hi guys :)
[20:00] <Kilos> wb smile
[20:00] <smile> Thanks :)
[20:10] <superfly> inetpro: my web server is having issues...
[20:10] <inetpro> ai!
[20:11] <superfly> not sure why, every day it gets to a point where it hangs. haven't had the time to look into why, just restart it
[20:11] <inetpro> superfly: what's the problem?
[20:11] <superfly> *shrug*
[20:12] <superfly> Maaz: is ubuntu-africa.snyman.info up?
[20:12] <Maaz> superfly: Yes, http://ubuntu-africa.snyman.info/ is up
[20:12] <inetpro> superfly: I know the feeling :-)
[20:13] <Kilos> ai!
[20:14] <inetpro> fortunately it's only our testing site
[20:14] <Kilos> inetpro do you know when the newsletter comes out?
[20:15] <inetpro> Kilos: not yet
[20:15] <Kilos> im too busy to try find that too
[20:16] <inetpro> Kilos: either Monday or Tuesday
[20:17] <Kilos> aw my post will be late for this week then
[20:17] <inetpro> why?
[20:18] <Kilos> they must still edit it and get it past pleia2 and i think she is away tomorrow and tuesday
[20:22] <Kilos> anyway well see hey
[20:22] <Kilos> maybe they dont even post it
[20:23] <inetpro> another opportunity to learn to be patient
[20:23] <Kilos> lol
[20:46] <Kilos> inetpro what is obsfucation on an email address please
[20:46] <inetpro> Kilos: address at gmail.com
[20:46] <Kilos> oh that
[20:47] <Kilos> ty
[20:47] <inetpro> or even address at gmail dot com
[20:47] <inetpro> or some clever javascript to make it look normal but the moment you copy and paste it's scrambled
[20:48] <Kilos> no thats too much
[20:48] <inetpro> uh
[20:49] <Kilos> i like things easy and simple
[20:50] <Kilos> otherwise i get lost even more
[20:50] <inetpro> Kilos: the bots also like it easy and simple
[20:51] <inetpro> otherwise they also get lost
[20:51] <Kilos> lol
[20:59] <inetpro> Kilos: http://ubuntu-africa.info/
[21:00] <Kilos> w000000t
[21:00] <Kilos> ty so much superfly
[21:00] <Kilos> were the content stuffs good?
[21:01] <Kilos> i mean are you satisfied
[21:01] <Kilos> or do they meet your approval
[21:01] <inetpro> sshhh!
[21:01] <superfly> i think it'll be easier to get people to fix stuff now that it's up there
[21:02] <inetpro> :-)
[21:02] <Kilos> did you see anything needs fixing superfly ?
[21:02] <inetpro> Kilos: we need to think about a different catch phrase
[21:03] <Kilos> for what?
[21:03] <inetpro> something other than "Welcome to Africa!"
[21:03] <superfly> not just a catch phrase, we need a proper intro block
[21:03] <Kilos> oh
[21:06] <inetpro> does the paragraph unde "Give meaning to your life" sound right at http://ubuntu-africa.info/join-us.html ?
[21:06] <Kilos> ok so do i wait before i go to canonical and ask them to approve what they can find needs approval
[21:06] <Kilos> hehe
[21:06] <inetpro> Kilos: wait man
[21:06] <Kilos> ok
[21:06] <inetpro> why always such a rush?
[21:07] <Kilos> hmm...
[21:07] <Kilos> anyway the welcome to africa should have been welcome africa
[21:07] <Kilos> but whatever you guys think is best
[21:08] <inetpro> think about it, talk about it and improve it
[21:08] <inetpro> it's not done until it is done
[21:08] <Kilos> is the jumbotron thing supposed to run sequentially or just random
[21:09] <Kilos> i see it often repeats a page
[21:09] <inetpro> you mean an image?
[21:10] <Kilos> yes when you refresh the view
[21:10] <Kilos> maybe its me
[21:10] <Kilos> hit refresh a few times and see
[21:14] <inetpro> nothing wrong with that
[21:14] <Kilos> nope
[21:15] <inetpro> even the irc chat works
[21:15] <Kilos> that is a wonderful thing, it brings peeps direct to irc
[21:15] <smile> Slaapwel :)
[21:15] <Kilos> not fb or tweet place
[21:15] <Kilos> sleep tight smile
[21:16] <smile> Thanks
[21:17] <Kilos> la Ubuntu LoCo (Communauté Locale) d'Afrique du Sud a formé le projet de mettre
[21:17] <Kilos> hehe
[21:17] <Kilos> i even have a traslation team
[21:17] <Kilos> translation
[21:33] * inetpro going to hit the sack
[21:33] <inetpro> good night
[21:33] <inetpro> oh and before I go
[21:33] <inetpro> thanks superfly!
[21:35] <Kilos> night inetpro ty
[21:35] <Kilos> and ty very much superfly
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2015-04-19-#kubuntu-devel | [00:06] <ahoneybun> you do sgclark
[01:10] <ahoneybun> the text is soooooo tiny
[03:20] * ahoneybun downloads vivid final
[03:28] * ahoneybun tried
[06:58] <valorie> Riddell: ping
[06:59] <valorie> oops, I hate contentless pings - PM
[07:48] <Riddell> hi valorie
[08:04] <valorie> hi, replied
[08:13] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[08:13] <ovidiu-florin> I need pictures for: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/the-kubuntu-team/
[08:13] <ovidiu-florin> urgent
[08:13] <ovidiu-florin> please attach them to https://trello.com/c/tRz6Z0l7/22-create-a-team-page or send them to me directly
[08:13] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: Doing :: Create a Team page ++ AH, OB]
[08:14] <ovidiu-florin> if someone else needs to be on that page, speak NOW!
[08:14] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: can you crop larger photos?
[08:14] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[08:16] <valorie> can you see this one?
[08:17] <valorie> https://plus.google.com/events/gallery/c92ntruvec3mn7pgo1787u2f2vg?banner=pwa&authkey=CIKEmYK9rNrwHw&pid=5901351911659833394&oid=101026761070865237619
[08:17] <valorie> so good of yofel
[08:31] <ovidiu-florin> it's a good picture
[08:31] <ovidiu-florin> but not for this purpose
[08:32] <valorie> yeah
[08:32] <valorie> I don't have very many good ones, unfortunately
[08:32] <valorie> I swear I took some, but I'm not finding them on my HD
[08:54] <valorie> or in flickr, or G+
[09:03] <ovidiu-florin> we have pictures: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/the-kubuntu-team/
[09:07] <valorie> ha
[09:08] <valorie> I found one if you can crop just my head and shoulders
[09:09] <ovidiu-florin> send it to me
[09:10] * ovidiu-florin takes the dog out to pee :P
[09:10] <valorie> sent to your email
[09:10] <valorie> facebook is good for something!
[09:20] <valorie> scarlett's blog: http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/
[09:20] <valorie> rohan's blog: https://kshadeslayer.wordpress.com/
[09:21] <valorie> harald: https://apachelog.wordpress.com/
[09:22] <valorie> naughty yofel doesn't seem to blog
[09:23] <valorie> https://skitterman.wordpress.com/
[09:23] <valorie> scott kitterman's blog
[09:24] <Riddell> yofel, shadeslayer: anyone want to be backup mentor to my students
[09:26] <valorie> can't mention which student(s)
[09:26] <valorie> publicly
[09:26] <Riddell> of course
[09:26] <valorie> aaron only has a blog about trips, but there is https://plus.google.com/+AaronHoneycutt/posts
[09:27] <lordievader> Godo morning.
[09:39] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I'd rather not link to social profiles
[09:40] <ovidiu-florin> just the blog
[09:40] <ovidiu-florin> if from the blog they want to link to social stuff, that's their decision
[09:40] <ovidiu-florin> mornin' lordievader
[09:43] <valorie> ok
[09:44] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you doing?
[09:44] <ovidiu-florin> not good
[09:44] <ovidiu-florin> my dog is sick
[09:44] <ovidiu-florin> and he now hates my wife because she took him to the vet
[09:45] <ovidiu-florin> he only plays with me now
[09:45] <lordievader> That is not good to hear :(
[09:50] <valorie> awwww, sick pup
[09:50] <valorie> not good
[09:53] <lordievader> He/she is still a puppy?
[09:56] <valorie> a sick dog IS a pup
[09:56] <valorie> poor thing
[10:00] <yofel> Riddell: sorry no, I won't have much time until summer
[10:01] <yofel> valorie: well, I do have a blog, just haven't posted anything in almost 3 years :/ https://kyofel.wordpress.com/
[10:01] * yofel is not a talkative person..
[10:02] <lordievader> Kubuntu Raring... And I thought I updated my blog too little :P
[10:02] <yofel> ^^
[10:02] <valorie> ha
[10:02] <valorie> google didn't find that, sorry
[10:02] <yofel> I'm not surprised :P
[10:03] <valorie> I didn't go to page 2 of the suggestions
[10:03] <valorie> gah, why is it 3am
[10:04] <valorie> I keep trying to get to sleep earlier and failing
[10:04] <valorie> better late than never!
[10:04] <yofel> hehe, gn :)
[10:05] <lordievader> Sleep well.
[10:37] <ovidiu-florin> feedback please: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/the-kubuntu-team/
[10:38] <lordievader> Fancy, fancy :)
[10:38] <lordievader> Scott's blog title is a bit too long ;)
[10:42] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: it's his title
[10:53] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: how's this: https://plus.google.com/+ValorieZimmerman/photos/photo/5864233600062448274?pid=5864233600062448274&oid=110059488078470456612
[10:58] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I've added that picture of you cropped, check it out: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/the-kubuntu-team/
[11:17] <ovidiu-florin> I got your pictures from Google+ Riddell sitter yofel shadeslayer ^
[11:18] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark ScottK ovidiu-florin pictures please
[11:18] * ovidiu-florin just realised he pinged himself....
[12:34] <Riddell> :)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:14] <Blizzz> is there a way to find out what is overwriting $LANG? Went to 15.04 and get a mostly german localized ui. drives me crazy.
[13:15] <Riddell> isn't that your setting? you are german :)
[13:19] <Blizzz> Riddell: I am, but my settings are always to (british) english
[13:20] <Blizzz> i may assume it's systemd? also have loooong boot time, need to investigate this too
[13:25] <Blizzz> boot time probably caused by NetworkManager-wait-online.service (i am on wifi). disabled and will check
[13:28] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: that's quite a young me
[13:28] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:32] <debfx> Blizzz: "locale" will tell you
[13:32] <debfx> likely $LANGUAGE or $LC_MESSAGES
[13:33] <Blizzz> debfx: LANG is set to german, despite that i have no single configuration where i chose german
[13:34] <Blizzz> hm, LC_ stuff also. the regional stuff is ok, message is odd
[13:35] <debfx> oh ok. you have set english as the preferred language in the kcm?
[13:36] <Blizzz> debfx: yes
[13:37] <Blizzz> i change regional settings to UK and change everything to DE. let's see, brb
[13:38] <Blizzz> this was helpful
[13:38] <Blizzz> much better now :)
[14:12] <soee_> someone https://plus.google.com/109127217626053080154/posts/YzM7CEGQ4kj ?
[14:36] <Darkwing> Greetings peeps
[14:47] <BluesKaj> hey Darkwing
[15:34] <ovidiu-florin> I need your help: https://trello.com/c/e8M4Ycd3/33-front-page-text Can someone please settle this?
[15:34] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: Feedback :: Front page - Text ++ ]
[15:59] * ahoneybun thought he changed that
[16:12] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: some suggestion to member page styles: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/19/snapshot7.png
[16:16] <ahoneybun> awesome soee_
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: I'm not a web developer
[16:33] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: hmm what size?
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> 150x150
[16:34] <sgclark> okies
[16:38] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: can you steal my profile pic? https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ScarlettClark/posts
[16:39] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: other than that crop me out of some akademy pictures, I am really not a photographic person :(
[16:42] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: done
[16:42] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: wil do that when I come back
[16:42] <ovidiu-florin> in a couple of hours
[16:42] <sgclark> cool thx
[16:44] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: remove this space between each data line, make the font a bit smaller, move header (with persone name) ~ 20px down, do not make IRC or Blog text bold - the item name is not important to be bold the item value is more important
[16:48] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: give ~ 30px space between image right side and texts
[16:54] <darthanubis> http://picpaste.com/snapshot6-jJytQt1P.png
[16:54] <darthanubis> this still persists
[18:59] <BluesKaj> is KF5 needed for kdesrc-build ?
[19:11] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: what do you mean?
[19:15] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ping
[19:18] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: do you have a blog?
[19:18] <ovidiu-florin> of Kubuntu/Open source related content?
[19:18] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: your picture is up
[19:19] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: fixed on the team page
[19:21] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, never mind, I misunderstood a question in #kde
[19:22] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: make teh font a bit smaller wher ethe role, blog etc. are listed. ale make teh space between them smaller
[19:25] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: how's this?
[19:26] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: font ok but make the space smaller bewee lines
[19:26] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: like this?
[19:27] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: and i suggets to make small font color change: make the IRC and Blog words with teh color that the text heave atm (this gray one) and the texts next to IRC and Blog words make the dark liek the IRC word has now
[19:28] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: why?
[19:28] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: because not the IRC or Blog text is important here but the value next to thme
[19:29] <soee_> darker text = more important stuff
[19:29] <ovidiu-florin> done
[19:30] <ovidiu-florin> jose: ping
[19:30] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: give .km_name margin top 15px not 10px
[19:31] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: and i woudl add ":" after each Blog or IRC text
[19:31] <ovidiu-florin> I don't like the :
[19:31] <soee_> so: IRC: foo and Blog: bar
[19:31] <ovidiu-florin> it seems extra to me
[19:31] <ovidiu-florin> that's why i removed them
[19:32] <soee_> they would be useless if after each label you would have some input or bacgroud color for text
[19:32] <soee_> but here i think they should exist
[19:33] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: small change to what i said before: for .km_name i woudl do margin top and margin bottom 15px
[19:34] <soee_> and that woudl be all
[19:34] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: pm
[19:34] <ovidiu-florin> you can login and add the :
[19:34] <ovidiu-florin> I'll add the CSS
[19:36] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: have you logged in?
[19:36] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: yes
[19:36] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[19:37] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: ok we stay without :
[19:37] <ovidiu-florin> :))\
[19:37] <soee_> with them text is less readable
[19:37] <ovidiu-florin> I told you :P
[19:37] <soee_> i think this page is fine now
[19:39] <soee_> ask others if its fine for them and you can mark it as done i think
[19:40] <ovidiu-florin> I asked
[19:40] <ovidiu-florin> many times
[19:40] <soee_> -.-
[19:41] <yofel> looks great IMO
[19:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you pung?
[19:42] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[19:42] <Riddell> (I'm mostly busy)
[19:52] <ovidiu-florin> jose: whenever you can, let's migrate the site
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> jose: for the moment in a temporary subdomain, to make sure everything is ok, at first
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> jose: can you take care of this?
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> jose: if I don't respond on IRC, please let me know on hangouts
[19:54] <ahoneybun> nope ovidiu-florin
[19:59] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: actually, can you label me Develop like the rest?
[19:59] <yofel> *Developer
[20:02] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/the-kubuntu-team/
[20:03] <yofel> thanks :)
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: yw
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: when ever you can, let me know if this is ok: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/contact-us/
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> I asked Riddell if I can have the tile of oficial Kubuntu Romania representative. He said he'd ask the council, what do you guys think?
[20:11] <ahoneybun> sweet ovidiu-florin
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> jose: get the latest backup form my Backups folder on the server
[20:49] * ovidiu-florin ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
[22:34] <darthanubis> you can't open anything with okteta
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-br | [00:14] <manccini> oi boa noite, porq a tela fica cinza e trava as vezes?
[00:14] <astroo-> ola
[00:14] <astroo-> diz que hpc tens e versao do ubuntu
[00:14] <astroo-> que pc
[00:15] <manccini> 14.10
[00:16] <manccini> mem. gib
[00:16] <manccini> pro. amd phenon II x4 840 processor x4
[00:16] <manccini> gallium 0.4 on nv96
[00:16] <manccini> 64bit
[00:17] <patrick_> alguém pode me ajudar?
[00:19] <astroo-> poe sempre a duvida e da uns 15 minutos pela possivel resposta de alguem
[00:20] <patrick_> instalei o ubuntu junto com windows 8.1, mas quando eu ligo o computador o dual boot n funciona, já entra direto no windows e não aparece mais o ubuntu
[00:20] <patrick_> o windows 8.1 é nativo
[00:24] <astroo-> isso tem 1 truque mas nao sei qual e mas facil de achar na net
[00:27] <astroo-> patrick_ ve o privado
[00:29] <patrick_> okay
[03:50] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[12:17] <mirqui> bom dia :)
[12:28] <DantexAUG> bom dia
[12:28] <mirqui> blza , tudo bem :)?
[12:31] <DantexAUG> tranquilo
[12:31] <DantexAUG> e por ai?
[12:31] <mirqui> aqui vamos todos bem graças a deus :)
[12:31] <mirqui> quais são as novas?
[12:32] <DantexAUG> sem grandes novidades hahaha
[12:32] <DantexAUG> e você, o que me conta?
[12:32] <mirqui> esperando o almoço , vai sair uma costela de panela :)
[12:33] <DantexAUG> hahaha
[12:33] <DantexAUG> aqui nem sei ainda o que vai ser
[12:33] <DantexAUG> só beliscando pão...
[12:33] <mirqui> ahaha cara , saindo comida é a conta :)
[12:34] <DantexAUG> verdade
[12:35] <mirqui> minha mãe e minha tia foram na venda comprar acompanhamentos para a comida , a carne já está fazendo
[12:36] <mirqui> e eu fazer o que , estou cuidando ahaha
[12:36] <mirqui> tem que dar apoio moral :)
[12:37] <mirqui> que vc faz aqui no ubuntu-br ?
[12:39] <DantexAUG> estive aqui outro dia com outro nick
[12:40] <DantexAUG> falei com vc
[12:40] <DantexAUG> sobre o gerenciador de janelas i3
[12:40] <mirqui> haaa , e ai , se acertou ?
[12:40] <DantexAUG> agora estou de volta, quero entrar quando puder para ajudar no que puder
[12:40] <DantexAUG> deu certo
[12:41] <mirqui> haaa legal :)
[12:41] <DantexAUG> encontrei a resposta googlando
[12:41] <mirqui> eu entendo pouco de linux
[12:41] <DantexAUG> era o arquivo .config do i3, tinha que configurar os locales
[12:41] <mirqui> faz uns 2 anos que comecei a usar , o que der eu ajudo
[12:41] <DantexAUG> entendo pouco também
[12:42] <DantexAUG> faz mais ou menos o mesmo tempo que estou usando
[12:42] <mirqui> estava de saco cheio do windows
[12:43] <mirqui> e com o bolso meio rasgado , cada vez que tinha que levar para o concerto
[12:43] <DantexAUG> mas estou muito entusiasmado para aprender, me sinto muito mais livre do que nos outros sistemas proprietários que ja usei
[12:43] <DantexAUG> pois é
[12:43] <mirqui> numca saia menos do que 150 reais
[12:43] <mirqui> tú está a fim de aprender
[12:43] <mirqui> espera um pouco
[12:43] <DantexAUG> o linux é mais transparente
[12:44] <DantexAUG> até agora só usei a distribuição ubuntu mesmo
[12:44] <mirqui> olha isto
[12:44] <mirqui> http://www.guiafoca.org/
[12:44] <mirqui> o guia do iniciante
[12:44] <mirqui> eu já usei várias distros
[12:45] <DantexAUG> opa, legal cara!
[12:45] <mirqui> mint , suse , puppy
[12:45] <DantexAUG> e curtiu mais a ubuntu mesmo?
[12:45] <mirqui> xubuntu , kubuntu
[12:47] <mirqui> sim , foi a que mais gostei
[12:47] <mirqui> mas o mint não fica a dever nada para o ubuntu
[12:48] <DantexAUG> como estou começando achei melhor ir com ubuntu, pois como é mais popular é mais fácil conseguir ajuda
[12:48] <mirqui> o suse é mais para quem quer trabalhar apenas
[12:48] <mirqui> sim , todos os drivers funcionam
[12:49] <mirqui> massssssssss
[12:49] <mirqui> estou fazendo dual boot
[12:49] <DantexAUG> com windows?
[12:49] <mirqui> pq o nivel de tinta da impressora não aparece
[12:49] <mirqui> sim , windows 7
[12:50] <mirqui> tenho uma epson
[12:50] <DantexAUG> ahh
[12:50] <mirqui> mas uso o windows desplugado da internet
[12:50] <DantexAUG> o ubuntu só driver pra HP?
[12:50] <mirqui> só para ver o nivel de tinta
[12:50] <mirqui> não , funciona direitinho a epson
[12:51] <mirqui> só não tem esse detalhe de poder ver o nível de tinta
[12:51] <DantexAUG> pode crer
[12:51] <mirqui> até o cel consigo plugar , e é um windows phone
[12:52] <DantexAUG> realmente inacreditável, as vezes fico com medo de ser sonho... uaeauuaheua
[12:52] <mirqui> ??? por que?
[12:53] <DantexAUG> um sistema tão bom e completo de graça...
[12:53] <DantexAUG> uaheau
[12:53] <mirqui> por que o windows é tão famoso?
[12:53] <mirqui> por que ele tem propaganda
[12:53] <DantexAUG> falo do ubuntu e não do windows
[12:53] <mirqui> e é mais difundido
[12:54] <mirqui> sim , mas o ubuntu quando pegar uma fatia maior do mercado
[12:54] <mirqui> não sei se vai ficar gratis tbm
[12:54] <mirqui> esse é meu medo
[12:55] <mirqui> um momento
[12:55] <DantexAUG> mas o windows apareceu a muito tempo e ja está enraizado na cultura das pessoas e tudo relacionado a linux é tido como algo muito técnico e difícil e isso assusta o usuário comum de desktop
[12:58] <mirqui> oi , voltei
[12:59] <mirqui> linux se usa em tudo
[12:59] <mirqui> e ele muito tempo ficou restrito a servidores , fez má fama
[12:59] <DantexAUG> não sei se o ubuntu pode ficar pago, porque existe uma licença que todo mundo que usa o kernel linux tem que aceitar pra poder usar, é a licença GNU e ela garante que os sistemas que sejam modificados a partir do kernel sempre possam ter copias distribuídas livremente, então mesmo que a canonical cobre pelas cópias iniciais ela não pode impedir que cópias dessas cópias sejam compartilhadas livremente
[13:00] <mirqui> haa então tranquilo
[13:00] <DantexAUG> li em algum canto que a canonical vive de assitência técnica
[13:00] <DantexAUG> então é interessante que o sistema seja cada vez mais divulgado
[13:00] <mirqui> e de grandes empresas
[13:01] <mirqui> o pessoal erra na divulgação
[13:01] <mirqui> o windows até na pirataria faz o nome
[13:01] <DantexAUG> hahaha
[13:01] <DantexAUG> verdade
[13:01] <mirqui> o linux é de graça , é falta de conhecimento mesmo
[13:01] <mirqui> eu mesmo
[13:02] <mirqui> usava windows por desconhecimento
[13:02] <mirqui> só que de 6 em 6 meses tinha que levar o pc no técnico
[13:03] <mirqui> um dia , o pc já estava querendo ficar baleado
[13:03] <DantexAUG> eu tive certo medo de instalar e não saber usar, por algum tempo, mas o preço dos macs e safadeza do windows me obrigaram a tentar... hahahah
[13:03] <mirqui> , pensei , vou experimenta o mint
[13:03] <mirqui> gostei , logo depois
[13:03] <mirqui> ví o ubuntu , mais simples que o mint
[13:04] <DantexAUG> o mint vem do debian também?
[13:04] <mirqui> pensei , vou neste , faz 2 anos :)
[13:04] <mirqui> acho que vem , tem central de programas e synaptic
[13:05] <DantexAUG> pode crer, deve compartilhar vários repositórios em comum
[13:06] <mirqui> a grande sacada do ubuntu são os programas todos ao lado
[13:06] <mirqui> e uma barra com pouco espaço
[13:06] <DantexAUG> é tem um design muito inteligente
[13:07] <mirqui> não da gana de instalar um programa para cada coisa como fazia no windows
[13:07] <DantexAUG> semelhante à barra de programas do mac, que muita gente ja está acostumada e é bem fácil
[13:07] <mirqui> eu uso uma base de uns 12 programinhas
[13:08] <mirqui> e é o que basta
[13:08] <mirqui> carrega super rápido
[13:08] <DantexAUG> hahaha verdade, o cara fica querendo menos programa e não mais
[13:09] <DantexAUG> e você configura do jeito que quiser
[13:09] <mirqui> o negócio é que :
[13:09] <mirqui> o linux é bom , bonito e de graça , , e eu só não usava por falta de conhecimento
[13:09] <DantexAUG> é liberdade total de configuração, se você sober o que está fazendo, cria até sua distro personalizada...
[13:10] <mirqui> eu não sou tão experiente assim
[13:10] <DantexAUG> eu também não, mas estou dando alguns passos curtos, aos poucos
[13:10] <mirqui> prefiro o arroz com feijão da inicialização do ubuntu ou mint
[13:11] <mirqui> tem um programa do suse
[13:11] <mirqui> que da para fazer um suse personalizado , conhece?
[13:11] <DantexAUG> eu gosto de automatizar algumas rotinas mecânicas de todo dia com algum script e mudar o ambiente desktop de vez em quando
[13:11] <DantexAUG> não conheço
[13:11] <mirqui> suse studio , procura no google
[13:12] <DantexAUG> ahhh eu ja usei ubuntu studio por algum tempo, mas foi bem rápido
[13:12] <mirqui> me parece que é www.susestudio.com ou .org
[13:12] <DantexAUG> ja tinha esquecido
[13:12] <DantexAUG> é um ubuntu pronto pra trabalhos com audio
[13:13] <DantexAUG> estou vendo aqui
[13:13] <DantexAUG> bem interessante
[13:13] <mirqui> https://susestudio.com/
[13:13] <mirqui> da uma olhada
[13:14] <mirqui> eu tentei fazer um suse , mas não seu muito certo
[13:15] <DantexAUG> eu prefiro ir configurando aos poucos ao mesmo tempo que vou usando e sentindo as necessidades...
[13:15] <DantexAUG> até porque sou noob.., haha
[13:16] <DantexAUG> cada coisa que vou fazer é só depois de pesquisa e estudo pra poder sair direito
[13:16] <mirqui> este programa tem um limite de 7 semana para cada vez que vc grava ele no banco de dados do suse
[13:16] <DantexAUG> legal
[13:17] <mirqui> então vc faz o máximo de programa , ( vc escolhe o que botar ) , e grava
[13:18] <DantexAUG> muito bom!
[13:19] <mirqui> mas depois não sei9 como são as atualizações
[13:19] <DantexAUG> pelo que vi aqui é uma parada mais voltada para servidor do que para desktop, mas deve rolar também
[13:19] <mirqui> fazer um programa eles disponibilizam , mas e as atualizações de segurança não sei como fazem
[13:19] <DantexAUG> não sei, estou conhecendo agora
[13:21] <mirqui> é um programa como o suse tradicional
[13:21] <mirqui> tem parte gráfica e linhas de comando
[13:21] <mirqui> é só escolher
[13:21] <DantexAUG> pode crer
[13:22] <mirqui> antes de ontem descobri como se instala o java no ubuntu
[13:23] <mirqui> maneira bem simples
[13:23] <DantexAUG> tem vários tutoriais no youtube
[13:23] <mirqui> mas preferi ficar com o java icetea
[13:23] <DantexAUG> o jdk vc fala?
[13:23] <mirqui> sim
[13:23] <DantexAUG> kit de desenvolvimeno
[13:23] <mirqui> não , só o java
[13:24] <DantexAUG> sim é bem simples
[13:24] <mirqui> para jogar , e home banking e imposto de renda
[13:24] <mirqui> ahaha simples mas eu não sabia
[13:24] <DantexAUG> vc ja rodou windows em máquina virtual dentro do ubuntu?
[13:25] <mirqui> já
[13:25] <DantexAUG> e ai, foi de boa?
[13:25] <mirqui> o windows xp
[13:25] <mirqui> fica um pouco menor nas bordas
[13:25] <mirqui> e não aceita pendrive
[13:25] <mirqui> eu queria para instalar o modem 3g
[13:26] <mirqui> mas não deu certo
[13:26] <DantexAUG> uma vez rodei o ubuntu dentro do windows e os gráficos ficaram zoados, e o virtualbox não aceitou a opção de partição criptografada
[13:27] <DantexAUG> mas nunca tentei o windows no ubuntu
[13:27] <mirqui> claro , tinha criptografia
[13:27] <DantexAUG> pois é
[13:27] <DantexAUG> hahaha
[13:27] <DantexAUG> deveria ter imaginado
[13:28] <mirqui> pq vc não usou live cd?
[13:28] <DantexAUG> usei o live cd
[13:29] <mirqui> pq o virtual machine então?
[13:29] <DantexAUG> o virtualbox não faz boot por pendrive, pelo menos na época que usei não fazia...
[13:30] <mirqui> bom , sei que estou contente com o ubuntu
[13:30] <mirqui> a partir do 10. qualquer coisa , ele ficou mais acessivel
[13:31] <DantexAUG> eu só queria praticar umas coisas de windows de um curso de manutenção que estava fazendo na época, então deu pro gasto... logo depois disso formatei e instalei o ubuntu, não gosto de windows, definitivamente...
[13:32] <mirqui> o windows é um programa bom , mas com um monte de tranqueiras que precisa
[13:32] <mirqui> precisa de antivirus , antispy , defrangmentar
[13:32] <mirqui> retirar entradas
[13:32] <DantexAUG> pra quem gosta... ahahha gosto não se discute
[13:33] <mirqui> e o pior
[13:33] <mirqui> é caro
[13:33] <DantexAUG> muito caro
[13:33] <mirqui> cada conserto que mandava fazer não saia por menos de 150 reais
[13:33] <DantexAUG> e se quiser o office, que é o principal pra maioria dos usuário, fica mais caro ainda... hahaha
[13:34] <mirqui> contando que precisava ie 2 vezes por ano
[13:34] <mirqui> eu tenho um office 2000 do caribe
[13:34] <mirqui> e um win 7 do caribe tbm
[13:34] <DantexAUG> hahaha
[13:34] <mirqui> mas não uso
[13:35] <DantexAUG> pode crer
[13:35] <mirqui> o que uso é o win 7 desplugado da internet
[13:35] <DantexAUG> se plugar ja dispara os avisos neh?
[13:35] <DantexAUG> auehauuaheu
[13:36] <DantexAUG> a nave mãe entra em ação hahahha
[13:36] <mirqui> não , eu deletei o driver realteck para internet
[13:36] <mirqui> ai não entra
[13:36] <mirqui> fiquei só com o ubuntu para acessar a net
[13:36] <DantexAUG> melhor atitude pra manter a paz no windows... hahah
[13:37] <mirqui> eu comprei um pc , olha só
[13:37] <mirqui> com win xp instalado e veio o disco de cd original
[13:37] <mirqui> formatei mais de 3 vezes
[13:38] <mirqui> na 4º vez
[13:38] <mirqui> o win xp pediu atualização
[13:38] <DantexAUG> hahahaha
[13:38] <mirqui> cara , estou sem luz aqui em casa
[13:39] <mirqui> outra hora falamos :)
[13:39] <DantexAUG> eles querem continuar ganhando né? Então tem que forçar essas atualizações
[13:39] <DantexAUG> opa
[13:39] <mirqui> e te conto a historia do win xo :)
[13:39] <DantexAUG> de boa
[13:39] <DantexAUG> vai la
[13:39] <DantexAUG> bom dia ae
[13:40] <Dead_Thinker> Buenos
[14:24] <Lorival> Gostaria de saber como posso instalar o Linux Ubuntu 14.10 no meu computador
[14:24] <Lorival> ele está com o windows 7
[14:25] <Lorival> e gostaria de não perder nenhum arquivo
[14:26] <Lorival> Coloquei para instalar, só que na hora que reiniciou ele apareceu uma mensagem dizendo: "nenhum sistema de arquivos raiz foi definido."
[14:27] <Lorival> "por favor, corrija essa situação a partir do menu de particionamento"
[14:27] <Lorival> Meu computador está particionado em apenas duas partições
[14:27] <Lorival> Desde já, agradeço pela ajuda.
[14:28] <Rudolf> Lorival: para vc instalar o linux vc precisa de espaço no hd
[14:28] <Rudolf> Lorival: a partir disso
[14:28] <Rudolf> Lorival: se vc tem o windows instalado
[14:29] <Rudolf> Lorival: das duas uma: ou vc faz o backup dos arquivos (não perdendo eles como pediu) e reinstala o windows deixando espaço para o linux
[14:29] <Lorival> certo, a partição que eu coloquei para ser instalada foi a C: que tem 78GB livres...
[14:29] <Rudolf> Lorival: ou vc faz backup dos arquivos (sempre faça backup) e tenta desfragmentar e no espaço vazio do windows criar a partição do linux
[14:30] <Rudolf> Lorival: C: é do windows
[14:30] <Rudolf> Lorival: a partição do linux é fora do windows
[14:30] <Rudolf> Lorival: e vc deve utilizar um particionador a parte
[14:30] <Rudolf> Lorival: fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, gparted and so on
[14:31] <Lorival> Não tem como eu instalar nessa partição e tirar o windows não? eu não quero ficar com dois sistemas operacionais....
[14:31] <Rudolf> Lorival: uai, se vc nao quer dois sistemas operacionais esquece o linux
[14:31] <Rudolf> Lorival: não faz sentido
[14:31] <Rudolf> Lorival: linux é um sistema operacional
[14:31] <Lorival> kkkk porquê?
[14:31] <Rudolf> Lorival: não é um programa
[14:31] <Rudolf> Lorival: simples
[14:32] <Rudolf> Lorival: agora se vc não quer dual boot
[14:32] <Rudolf> Lorival: só lhe resta emulação
[14:32] <Rudolf> Lorival: o que não é a mesma coisa, mas é bom para novatos "café com leite"
[14:32] <Rudolf> Lorival: "testam" como é linux
[14:33] <Guest78721> boa tarde
[14:33] <Lorival> hum....
[14:33] <Lorival> a outra partição tem 200GB livres, então devo colocar nela?
[14:33] <Lorival> é a partição G:
[14:33] <Lorival> tem só meus arquivos
[14:34] <Rudolf> Lorival: vou te dar meu exemplo
[14:34] <Rudolf> Lorival: atualmente tenho no meu notebook dois HDS
[14:34] <Guest78721> consigo rodar bem o ubunto um uma maquina antina pentium 4 1.7ghz 768mb ram video radeon 9250 128bm ?
[14:35] <Rudolf> Guest78721: sim
[14:35] <Lorival> certo....
[14:35] <Rudolf> Lorival: 1 de 500G outro de 300
[14:35] <Rudolf> Lorival: estava 65G para windows, e o resto para linux no hd de 500G
[14:35] <Rudolf> Lorival: o HD de 300G era a arquivos
[14:35] <Rudolf> Lorival: estou mudando
[14:36] <Rudolf> Lorival: to precisando de mais espaço no windows (depois de 5 anos de instalação)
[14:36] <Rudolf> Lorival: vou formatar tudo
[14:36] <Rudolf> Lorival: passei a madrugada fazendo backups
[14:36] <Rudolf> Lorival: vai ficar 100G para windows no hd de 500G
[14:36] <Rudolf> Lorival: 400 para linux
[14:36] <Lorival> hum...
[14:36] <Rudolf> Lorival: 200G para meu home linux no hd de 300G
[14:37] <Rudolf> Lorival: e 100G neste hd para backup do windows
[14:37] <Rudolf> Lorival: ou seja
[14:37] <Rudolf> Lorival: você pode fazer como quiser
[14:37] <Rudolf> Lorival: mas você tem que entender o que está fazendo
[14:38] <Lorival> hum... certo
[14:40] <jefferson> dai galera
[14:40] <Rudolf> dia
[14:40] <jefferson> alguem pode me dar um help ?
[14:43] <Dead_Thinker> jefferson, posso tentar
[14:44] <jefferson> blz, tenho um pc meio antigo instalei o ubuntu nele mais fico lento d+, pior que ruindows xp
[14:44] <jefferson> qual versão seria melhor pra um pc modesto feito o meu
[14:46] <Rudolf> jefferson: não dá para indicar com o "meio antigo"
[14:46] <Rudolf> jefferson: você precisa ser mais específico
[14:48] <jefferson> cpu p4 1g ram hd300g video ati 128mb
[14:50] <Rudolf> jefferson: se vc quer um sistema atual, mas onde vc tem que instalar os pacotes podendo moldar quanto de RAM/PROC/VIDEO consome eu recomendo debian (stable/unstable)
[14:51] <Rudolf> jefferson: se vc quiser algo fácil, onde vc só usa o mouse terá que usar uma versão ubuntu mais antiga 10.04
[14:51] <Rudolf> jefferson: mas isso lhe obrigará a usar software antigo
[14:52] <Rudolf> jefferson: como terceira opção, http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Ubuntu
[14:52] <jefferson> é soh pra navegar, facebook videos no youtube coisa bem basica mesmo sem aquele travadeira
[14:52] <Rudolf> jefferson: as opções estão acima
[14:52] <Rudolf> 1G de RAM
[14:53] <Rudolf> atualmente
[14:53] <Rudolf> com essas páginas de internet
[14:53] <Rudolf> pesadas
[14:53] <Rudolf> é poco
[14:53] <jefferson> entendi, vou tentar obrigado pela ajuda
[15:28] <mirqui> boa tarde :)
[15:38] <idobrt_> olá boa tarde. Alguém poderia me dizer como salvo a busca do comando grep -R "minhapalavra" ./ num arquivo de texto?
[15:39] <idobrt_> o retorno é muito grande e não dá pra ver tudo no terminal
[15:39] <mirqui> copia num arquivo txt , se é isso que entendi
[15:40] <mirqui> editar copiar o comando , editar colar
[15:40] <idobrt_> quero salvar o resultado da busca de grep -R "include" ./
[15:40] <idobrt_> en txt
[15:41] <mirqui> então abre um documento txt com o nome do comando
[15:41] <idobrt_> eu tentei grep -R "include" ./ > arquivo.txt mas n funciona
[15:41] <mirqui> e cada vez que quizer executar é só copiar e colar no terminal
[15:41] <idobrt_> mas n é isso que eu quero
[15:42] <mirqui> opa , então não entendi
[15:42] <idobrt_> esse comando retorna um monte de coisa
[15:42] <mirqui> vc quer executar o txt?
[15:42] <idobrt_> n
[15:42] <mirqui> ??
[15:42] <idobrt_> eu quero fazer uma busca no diretório com o grep
[15:42] <mirqui> sim , e dai
[15:43] <idobrt_> essa busca é por arquivos que contenha a string
[15:43] <idobrt_> mas o resultado é muito grande
[15:43] <idobrt_> e parte do resultado n dá pra ver no terminal
[15:44] <idobrt_> então quero salvar o resultado em um txt
[15:44] <idobrt_> para ver com calma
[15:44] <mirqui> então vai no terminal
[15:44] <mirqui> editar copiar , editar colar
[15:44] <mirqui> , é simples
[15:44] <mirqui> depois vc analiza o resultado
[15:44] <mirqui> no txt
[15:44] <mirqui> e não no terminal
[15:45] <idobrt_> mas estoura o buffer
[15:45] <idobrt_> o que é exibido no terminal só é parte do que eu quero
[15:45] <idobrt_> parte é perdido
[15:45] <Rudolf> idobrt_: vc está fazendo a busca onde meu filho?
[15:45] <Rudolf> idobrt_: em um arquivo? em um diretório?
[15:45] <LeandroLuiz> kkkkkkkkkkkk Rudolf como ta indo seu hobby?
[15:45] <Rudolf> idobrt_: você procura "minhapalavra" onde?
[15:46] <Rudolf> LeandroLuiz: qual deles
[15:46] <Rudolf> LeandroLuiz: estou lavando a casa
[15:46] <Rudolf> LeandroLuiz: formatando meu notebook
[15:46] <Rudolf> LeandroLuiz: cuidando das minhas gatas
[15:46] <Rudolf> LeandroLuiz: vários hobbies
[15:46] <idobrt_> Rudolf : grep -R "include" ./ busco pela string include em qualquer arquivo no diretório corrente ou em seus subdiretórios
[15:47] <LeandroLuiz> Rudolf, o do suprote
[15:47] <LeandroLuiz> suporte
[15:47] <idobrt_> Rudolf: estou buscando umas dependências
[15:47] <Rudolf> LeandroLuiz: esse é sempre triste
[15:48] <mirqui> idobrt quantas linhas são a pesquisa , ou o que dá para copiar?
[15:48] <Rudolf> idobrt_: você tentou algo como cat ./* |grep -R blablabla > procura.txt
[15:49] <idobrt_> Rudolf: vou tentar isso
[15:51] <idobrt_> Rudolf: esse blabla é a string? Coloquei isso entre aspas o terminal informa que o arquivo de entrada é o mesmo de saída
[15:51] <idobrt_> miqui:não sei ao certo quantas linhas são
[15:52] <mirqui> mais de 100 ?
[15:52] <idobrt_> miqui: muito mais que isso
[15:52] <Rudolf> idobrt_: aqui funcionou
[15:52] <Rudolf> idobrt_: tente sem aspas
[15:53] <idobrt_> Rudolf: ok vou analisar se tem erro de digitação
[15:53] <Rudolf> idobrt_: não tem, pode ser seu shell
[15:54] <Rudolf> idobrt_: limitado
[15:54] <idobrt_> Rudolf: mesma mensagem o arquivo de entrada é também o de saída
[15:55] <Rudolf> idobrt_: aparece aqui
[15:56] <Rudolf> idobrt_: mas não interrompe a busca
[15:56] <Rudolf> cat ./* |grep -R "acucar" >> teste.txt
[15:56] <Rudolf> cat teste.txt
[15:56] <Rudolf> caramujo.txt:acucar
[15:57] <Rudolf> idobrt_: ao aparecer a mensagem "grep: input file ‘teste.txt’ is also the output"
[15:57] <Rudolf> idobrt_: a execução termina?
[15:57] <idobrt_> Rudolf: grep -R "include" ./ teria como exibir isso pausado e a medida que eu teclar o enter ele exibir mais?
[15:57] <Rudolf> idobrt_: se terminar ele não achou nada que combine
[15:57] <Rudolf> idobrt_: se não terminar, espere ele terminar
[15:57] <Rudolf> idobrt_: usando more
[15:57] <Rudolf> grep -R "include" ./ |more
[15:58] <mirqui> idorbrt vc pode dizer qual o nome da palavra que vc está procurando?
[15:58] <Rudolf> grep -R "include" ./ > teste2.txt também funciona
[15:59] <idobrt_> são dependências de um programa escrito em C quero mapear o classpath
[15:59] <mirqui> procura pelo nome do programa
[16:00] <mirqui> ou as partes do programa
[16:00] <mirqui> ele está no compilador?
[16:00] <idobrt_> Rudolf: grep -R "include" ./ > teste2.txt n sei pq n funciona mas o more já serviu valeu
[16:01] <Rudolf> idobrt_: tu chegou a abrir o teste2.txt?
[16:02] <Rudolf> idobrt_: ou ele nem chega a criar?
[16:02] <Rudolf> idobrt_: ele termina a execução ou para com a mensagem (para no sentido de te devolver o "prompt")
[16:02] <idobrt_> Rudolf: aqui diz que o arquivo de entrada é o mesmo de saída e o aquivo fica em branco
[16:02] <Rudolf> idobrt_: ummm, não era para ficar em branco
[16:02] <Rudolf> idobrt_: qual sua versão do grep
[16:03] <Rudolf> idobrt_: aqui é 2.21-r1
[16:03] <Rudolf> idobrt_: poooooode ser isso
[16:05] <mirqui> include tem a ver com a programação em c , certo , as bibliotecas ?
[16:05] <idobrt_> Rudolf: vou tentar atualizar então
[16:07] <idobrt_> mirqui: n sei ao certo quais são as bibliotecas o comando me mostra o resto assim posso mapear
[16:08] <mirqui> são gráficas e para cálculos
[16:08] <mirqui> mas não sei pq vc iria ver isso
[16:08] <mirqui> o problema está no seu programa
[16:09] <idobrt_> para construir um view de alto nível para compreender as dependências
[16:09] <idobrt_> só por isso
[16:09] <mirqui> seu programa trata de que?
[16:10] <idobrt_> o programa n é meu
[16:10] <idobrt_> já peguei o bonde andando
[16:10] <mirqui> mas alguma referencia vc tem?
[16:12] <idobrt_> é um programa escrito em C++/C com suporte a linguagem de script que faz uso de uml
[16:12] <idobrt_> tipo o argos
[16:12] <mirqui> xiii, não entendo disso , estudei c , bem pouco , mas se vc tiver
[16:13] <mirqui> uma referencia , vc pesquisa e acha o que procura
[16:13] <idobrt_> em se tratando de software livre isso está na cabeça do desenvolvedor
[16:13] <mirqui> o programa trata de que exatamente , cálculos , gráfico?
[16:13] <idobrt_> é inútil procurar muita coisa
[16:14] <idobrt_> uml
[16:14] <mirqui> vc tem a localização do programa?
[16:15] <mirqui> se tem , vai de diretório em diretório até achar
[16:15] <Rudolf> mirqui: tá maluco?
[16:15] <mirqui> depois faz engenharia reversa
[16:15] <Rudolf> idobrt_: ow, tem o egrep também
[16:15] <mirqui> e copia só a parte que quer
[16:15] <Rudolf> idobrt_: mais avançado que o grep
[16:15] <Rudolf> idobrt_: use-o combinado com o find
[16:16] <idobrt_> Rudolf: vc poderia me dar um exemplo da sintaxe?
[16:19] <Rudolf> idobrt_: egrep palavra ./*
[16:20] <Rudolf> egrep acucar ./* > teste3.txt
[16:20] <Rudolf> more teste3.txt 12:19
[16:20] <Rudolf> ./caramujo.txt:acucar
[16:20] <Rudolf> ./teste.txt:caramujo.txt:acucar
[16:20] <Rudolf> ./teste.txt:caramujo.txt:acucar
[19:42] <patrick_> olá
[19:43] <patrick_> formatei meu notebook POSITIVO 605 intem atom, para ubuntu 10.14, mais ele demora ou as vezes da erro na inicialização o que pode ser?
[19:44] <patrick_> *intel
[20:13] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[20:20] <patrick_> formatei meu notebook POSITIVO 605 intel atom, para ubuntu 10.14, mais ele demora ou as vezes da erro na inicialização o que pode ser?
[20:21] <astroo-> diz que pc tem e que erro e
[20:23] <patrick_> tipo ele fica em tela preta
[20:23] <patrick_> eu acho q é por causa do drive de video
[20:23] <patrick_> agora to instalando o ubuntu de novo nele
[20:24] <patrick_> e ele fica mto lento
[20:24] <astroo-> que chip video e?
[20:24] <patrick_> nusss esqueci agora
[20:24] <patrick_> calma ai
[20:25] <astroo-> se quiseres testa a versao 15 beta que alguns dizem bem dela
[20:25] <patrick_> versão 15 ?
[20:25] <patrick_> no site só achei a 10.14
[20:25] <patrick_> http://www.zoom.com.br/notebook/notebook-positivo-sim-intel-atom-d525-2-gb-320-gb-lcd-c-brilho-14-3d-linux-605
[20:25] <patrick_> meu note é esse
[20:26] <patrick_> mais tava windows 8
[20:26] <patrick_> ai passei pra ubuntu porque acho melhor pra mexer com programação
[20:26] <astroo-> mais nao sei
[20:27] <astroo-> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:33] <patrick_> obrigado
[20:33] <patrick_> vou passar pro pen drive
[20:33] <patrick_> caso se a versão 10.14 não der certo formato para a 15
[20:53] <Ernandes> exit
[23:51] <Super_Ape> Olá amigos, boa noite...
[23:52] <astroo-> ola...
[23:53] <PSKOL> noite boa
[23:53] <Super_Ape> O canal tmb suporta Elementary OS? Que é baseado em UBUNTU
[23:56] <Super_Ape> 1500 pessoas no UBUNTU e ninguém me responde. hahahahaha
[23:56] <astroo-> nunca vi tal no canal
[23:57] <astroo-> diz antes 1400 nicks e o resto pessoas
[23:57] <Super_Ape> Jura?
[23:57] <astroo-> e a media
[23:57] <Super_Ape> bots? :D
[23:57] <astroo-> so uns 10% fal alguma coisa de jeito
[23:57] <Super_Ape> aways?
[23:57] <astroo-> metade de ser saudade dos bons velhos tempos do irc
[23:58] <Super_Ape> Saudade da Brasnet
[23:58] <Super_Ape> :p
[23:59] <Super_Ape> confesso que esse Elementary OS é LINDO de morrer
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-locoteams | [06:34] <Kilos> morning jose and others
[06:34] <Kilos> oh nhaines hi there
[06:35] <Kilos> !lococouncil
[16:57] <klaus__> boa tarde, alguem pode me diser os comandos para instalar um programa? | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.762302 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#xubuntu-devel | [10:21] <astraljava> blech... finally able to start testing. Yesterday and Friday didn't exactly go as planned. ;)
[16:54] * pleia2 g+ && fb the RC upgrade test info
[17:00] <astraljava> Right, this is going to be the first and the last time I'm testing an ISO on this POS laptop. It's been 2+ hours, and it's still not done. I guess I'll stick to developing. It's much less resource-hungry. :p
[17:04] <ochosi> astraljava: depends on what you're compiling though
[17:06] <astraljava> ochosi: I know. :) Still, it's ridiculous that the installation takes almost three hours, as it has done now. I'm not about to build gimp or anything like that at first.
[17:06] <ochosi> strange though, my laptop is 6yrs old and an average install takes "only" 30-40min
[17:06] <astraljava> This is old enough that upgrading it (with an SSD, for example) makes no sense, either.
[17:07] <astraljava> ochosi: In vbox?
[17:07] <ochosi> yeah
[17:07] <ochosi> real installs are a bit faster
[17:07] <astraljava> Well, that is strange.
[17:07] <ochosi> i have an ssd though
[17:08] <astraljava> Ahh... well that could explain some of it.
[17:08] <ochosi> so that surely helps, but still, the laptop itself is 6yrs old
[17:09] <astraljava> So is mine.
[17:10] <astraljava> *-cpu
[17:10] <astraljava> product: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4200 @ 2.00GHz
[17:10] <astraljava> 4GB RAM
[17:11] <astraljava> So either there's something busted, or it's the HDD that's the culprit here.
[17:14] <ochosi> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8300 @ 2.40GHz
[17:15] <ochosi> so yeah, a few GHz faster than yours
[17:16] <ochosi> (and 4gb ram too)
[17:19] <knome> krytarik,
[17:19] <knome> Automatic synchronization
[17:19] <knome> Translations are imported with every update from branch lp:xubuntu-docs, and exported daily to branch lp:xubuntu-docs.
[17:19] <astraljava> Fortunately not few GHz, but a few point-GHz. :D Otherwise I wouldn't even play this game. :p But yeah, that doesn't explain the whole difference, not by a long shot.
[17:19] <knome> do we want to set that off for some reason?
[17:20] <krytarik> knome: Generally not, no - just have that loop stopped somehow.
[17:20] <knome> i guess there is no way to set that off
[17:20] <knome> well except turn those off..
[18:21] <astraljava> Yeah, so the machine never rebooted after the installation. I'm not going to file these results, it's obvious this hardware isn't suitable for that line of work.
[18:38] <elfy> astraljava: didn't reboot at all? or didn't reboot when you press enter to remove ?
[18:40] <astraljava> elfy: It got stuck once I pressed the button that's there once the installer finishes, I forget what it says.
[18:40] <elfy> astraljava: ok as long as it comes up from a hard reboot - that's a known issue
[18:41] <elfy> thank you for perservering :)
[18:41] <elfy> bug 1445592
[18:42] <astraljava> Oh ok, good to know. :)
[18:43] <elfy> always useful for people to look at the tracker for those things
[18:44] <astraljava> Yeah, you're right. I'm still a little rusty when it comes to the process. :) But then again, this machine is not suitable for that line of work, so I'll refresh myself on the matter once I get ahold of a computer that's usable.
[18:45] <elfy> I do stuff on an old laptop
[18:46] <astraljava> Yeah, me too. But as where ochosi gets an installation done in 30-40 minutes in vbox, mine spent three and a half hours on the same task.
[18:48] <elfy> yea - well this machine has a win partition for little one and the rest I actually hard install - so no vm in the mix
[18:50] <astraljava> Right, that might be the way to go. But I need the whole HDD dedicated for the actual installation. Oh well, I'll see what I can do with the desktop, just need to find a monitor for it.
[18:51] <elfy> maybe try kvm instead
[18:51] <elfy> I manage to get away with less memory in that than vbox
[18:52] <astraljava> Alright, will try that the next time. Thanks!
[18:52] <elfy> can but try :)
[18:54] <astraljava> Exactly. :)
[23:42] <bluesabre> I keep getting pinged in the wrong channel and not paying attention
[23:42] <knome> ;)
[23:42] <knome> no money to pay attention
[23:42] <knome> sad :|
[23:42] <bluesabre> probably an easy solution would be to hop off of -ot
[23:42] <knome> :)
[23:47] <bluesabre> but yeah, it's probably not a critical bug that breaks any functionality, so not sure the docs update is enough to get an exception for final freeze
[23:49] <knome> otoh, the release team has always been pretty loose on flavor-only stuff
[23:49] <knome> this literally only affects us
[23:49] <bluesabre> also true
[23:52] <bluesabre> slickymaster, krytarik: is there a bug report associated with the missing language. We'll need to tack that onto the debian changelog and get an ack on that to apply for an exception
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-nl | [09:27] <lordievader> Goede morgen.
[10:32] <anonymouse> hello
[10:32] <anonymouse> kan ik nederlands praten hier
[10:32] <anonymouse> of moet t in engels
[10:33] <lordievader> Het is #ubuntu-nl... ;)
[10:33] <anonymouse> ik kan niet meer filmpjes etc luisteren met koptefeloon, maar ze doen het wel in mijn mobiel..
[10:33] <anonymouse> oja haha
[10:33] <lordievader> Zou je iets meer info willen geven?
[10:33] <anonymouse> maar de koptelefoonuitgang doet het ineens niet meer
[10:34] <anonymouse> uuhm
[10:34] <anonymouse> ik heb meerde oordopjes geprobeerd
[10:34] <lordievader> Welke versie van Ubuntu?
[10:34] <anonymouse> meerdere*
[10:35] <anonymouse> hoe bedoel je welke versie
[10:35] <lordievader> Dit is Ubuntu support? Draai je Ubuntu?
[10:35] <anonymouse> hoezo draaien
[10:35] <anonymouse> laat maar
[10:36] <anonymouse> doei bedankt
[10:37] <trijntje> haha
[10:38] <Fermata> Jammer. :P
[11:39] <SCHAAP137> lol
[11:39] <SCHAAP137> sja, als mensen hun probleem niet adequaat kunnen uitleggen, dan maken ze het zichzelf lastig
[11:39] <SCHAAP137> dan valt er ook weinig hulp te bieden
[11:40] <Fermata> Ik had ook niet het idee dat het iets te maken had met Ubuntu.
[11:40] <SCHAAP137> nee precies, dat vermoed ik ook
[12:00] <niek> Mijn haardroger doet het niet, kan ik daarvoor hier ook terecht?
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> oO
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> niek: welke ubuntu versie draait erop?
[12:00] <niek> 14.04 LTS volgens mij.
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> niek: :p probeer eens nomodeset op je haardroger
[12:01] <niek> Thanks, dat wertk!
[12:01] <niek> :D
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> internet of things komt echt dichterbij
[12:01] <Fermata> "Heb je al geprobeerd hem aan en uit te zetten?"
[12:01] <Fermata> Of uit en aan.
[12:02] <niek> Ik zet dit wel even neer bij de rest van de brand :)
[12:02] <niek> http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9knmh4Wa51rdelzeo1_500.gif
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Burning-the-lyrics-168514759
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> oei men dekstop in de fik
[12:34] <lordievader> Fermata: Ding staat uit, "de koptelefoon doet het niet", "heb je al geprobeert hem aan en uit te zetten." "Ja, dan doet ie het nog steeds niet" :P
[12:54] <SCHAAP137> iemand hier die ook Ubuntu 14.10 draait met MATE als desktop environment?
[12:54] <SCHAAP137> ik heb een klein issue, vraag me af of er een workaround voor is
[12:55] <lordievader> SCHAAP137: Stel je vraag ;)
[12:55] <SCHAAP137> de iconen in de icon tray centreren zich niet automatisch in het bovenste panel
[12:55] <SCHAAP137> heb mn bovenste panel op 32px, en de iconen komen a.h.w. "snapped to top" in die icontray
[12:55] <SCHAAP137> als ik het panel verklein naar 31, en daarna weer vergroot naar 32, dan kloppen ze, dan zijn ze vertikaal gecentreerd in die icon tray
[12:56] <SCHAAP137> dat is zoals ik het zou willen; kan ik dit afdwingen op e.o.a. manier?
[12:56] <SCHAAP137> soort van "snapped to center" binnen die icontray
[12:57] <SCHAAP137> Qjackctl bijvoorbeeld, verschijnt in eerste instantie met een lelijk grijs blokje onder het icoontje, met het icoontje tegen de bovenrand aan
[12:57] <SCHAAP137> na het panel 1 pixel te verklein en weer te vergroten, zit 'ie netjes in het midden
[12:57] <SCHAAP137> ik weet lordievader, 't is een luxeprobleem :P
[12:58] <SCHAAP137> maar vroeg me af of iemand anders dit ook ervaart, en zo ja, wat er eventueel tegen te doen is in preventieve zin
[13:02] <SCHAAP137> heb het vraagstuk ook maar ff in het reguliere #ubuntu kanaal gedropt
[13:03] <Fermata> SCHAAP137: het lijkt me eerder een bug.
[13:03] <SCHAAP137> ik drop het ook ff in het #mate kanaal
[13:09] <SCHAAP137> blijft er nog angstvallig stil :P
[13:09] <SCHAAP137> ach ja
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-us-mi | [11:42] <tony-smlr> SMLR E149 Live now Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXADsfRZvmk Audio: http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[13:41] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:42] <cmaloney> btw: FIL came home last night. They think it was a pinched nerve. Considering what he ate that day I'm thinking it's more busted gut.
[13:48] <_stink_> hah, gross.
[13:51] <brousch> gut so busted it pinched a nerve
[20:10] <derekv> recursion? what's recursion? http://images4.static-bluray.com/reviews/1526_2.jpg | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.785760 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-19-#ubuntu-pt | [03:50] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[20:12] <astroo-> ola pessoal | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.786329 | 2015-04-19T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-ir | [10:28] <Alireza-H> salam
[10:29] <Alireza-H> mikhastam bedoonam age kasi inja ba Bind DNS kar karde mamnoon misham age komak kone | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.789012 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-se | [06:26] <NeverW8> Trodde det skulle vara onsdag idag när jag vaknade upp, smått glatt överaskad
[06:26] <NeverW8> Inte lätt att komma ihåg saker runt påsktider
[06:55] <HeMan> Morrn!
[06:56] <NeverW8> morgon HeMan
[07:29] <MarkusDBX> Hej, är det fortfarande så att virtualbox och kvm inte gillar att köras samtidigt?
[07:36] <HeMan> jag kör enbart kvm så jag kan tyvärr inte hjälpa där
[07:38] <MarkusDBX> gillar kvm, men virtualbox är smidigt.. speciellt för mac och win kompatibilitet
[08:51] <HeMan> ok
[08:52] <HeMan> jag kör enbart Linux så jag klarar mig med kvm
[10:45] <cowbacon> HeMan: har du funderat på container based virtualization istället för kvm om du bara kör linux? borde inte det dra mindre resurser?
[10:55] <andol> cowbacon: Inte för att jag har något emot containers, men kvalar det verkligen inte som virtualisering?
[11:01] <cowbacon> andol: brukar det inte räknas som det?
[11:05] <andol> cowbacon: Tror det beror lite på vem man frågar. Jag menar, upplevelsen är ju rätt lik, men tekniskt är det ju en himla skillnad.
[11:07] <cowbacon> andol: jag använder bara openvz och de kallar det för det. så då kallar jag det också container-based virtualization :p http://openvz.org/Main_Page
[11:12] <andol> Som en alternativ datapunkt så verkar https://linuxcontainers.org/ inte prata om virtualisering.
[11:12] <andol> Som sagt, beror lite på vem man frågar :)
[11:12] <cowbacon> yep, tror inte docker kallar det för virtualizering heller
[11:15] <cowbacon> wikipedia listar dem dock under container virtualization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating-system-level_virtualization
[15:05] <SebastianThorn> emacs någon? :) http://www.meetup.com/Stockholm-Emacs-Meetup/
[15:16] <andol> SebastianThorn: Hade tänkt trilla dit, men har tyvärr råkat ut för en släng ofriskhet.
[15:19] <Amoz> andol, visste inte att du körde Windows =P
[15:22] <andol> Amoz: :P
[19:56] <SebastianThorn> andol: vi va bara 6 stycken, men det var kul ändå
[19:56] <SebastianThorn> dom bjöd på öl och pizza, och jag fick feedback på mitt mode som jag byggt | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.796085 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-ru | [06:38] <gelbeEnte> Черт
[06:38] <gelbeEnte> Доброе утро
[06:38] <gelbeEnte> Послушайте, проблема была какая-то ночью. Вообще не понимаю из-за чего
[06:39] <gelbeEnte> Но я вываливался и реконнектился переодически. Очень часто)
[06:39] <gelbeEnte> Меня забанили на многих каналах :(
[06:50] <gelbeEnte> Подскажите, как происходит анбан в IRC? Автоматически через какое-то время или как? Проблема была разовая и впервые за год :( Обидно(
[08:39] <andrex> gelbeEnte: пока не разбанят
[08:39] <gelbeEnte> andrex: да, я уже обратил внимание, что меня перебросили в какие-то каналы связанные с проблемом подключения)
[08:40] <gelbeEnte> и надо пользоваться командой "msg chanserv access #channel list"
[08:41] <andrex> пишеш опам канала и поясняеш ситужйшен
[08:41] <andrex> может сжалятся
[08:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> если до админа можно достучаться на доступном канале
[09:29] <gelbeEnte> Я правильно понимаю после этой команды я пишу нечто вроде: "/msg NickName unban me plz" ?
[09:29] <gelbeEnte> Команда вывела список... Опов? Но при попытке написать одному из них - Error(401): "KoLonJaNo No such nick/channel" o_O
[09:30] <JohnDoe_71Rus> gelbeEnte: #channel list это список каналов
[09:30] <gelbeEnte> JohnDoe_71Rus: ? "msg chanserv access #channel list"
[09:31] <gelbeEnte> JohnDoe_71Rus: ? "msg chanserv access ##deutsch list" - что выводит?
[09:31] <gelbeEnte> Entry Nickname/Host Flags
[09:31] <gelbeEnte> Кто вообще говорил о #channel list? ) там access
[09:32] <JohnDoe_71Rus> мне нифига не написал консерв
[10:27] <andrex> смотри кто онлайн сначала
[13:00] <Eightynine> Привет всем. У меня Ubuntu Gnome, добавил репозитории Gnome, обновил систему, установился 3.12 вместо 3.10, в терминале было написано, что пакеты от 3.10 стали не нужны, можно их удалить. После apt-get autoremove удалились пакеты Gnome 3.10. Было 2 программы: Обновление приложени
[13:00] <Eightynine> й(осталась) и Обновление программ(пропала). Как вернуть эту пропавшую программу? Видимо она была удалена с Gnome 3.10
[15:38] <test13> тест
[15:38] <ubuntuhelp> test13, Ну понг, и что?
[15:39] <test13> Проверка, доступа в IRC, меня видно слышно? :)
[15:39] <test13> ping
[15:39] <ubuntuhelp> test13, Понг.
[15:39] <test13> Понг
[16:43] <SergeyIT> test13, не видно и не слышно :(
[16:43] <test13> SergeyIT: сразу активизировался и в жабере и тут
[16:44] <test13> SergeyIT: не думаю, что твой ник это совпадение
[16:44] <SergeyIT> домой пора (хватит работать)
[16:44] <test13> SergeyIT: А как же поработать дома?
[16:44] <test13> SergeyIT: Или отдохнуть на работе?
[16:44] <SergeyIT> а я и не шифруюсь
[16:46] <SergeyIT> работать можно везде
[16:48] <test13> Отдыхать, много где, хоть и не везде
[16:49] <Eightynine> Что насчет Gnome и Обновления программ? Как вернуть эту программу? Еще установил Unity, а на экране входа нету, как запустить? Там только Gnome.
[16:50] <SergeyIT> гном2 в 10.04 последней использовал, с юнити сбежал... свистелок много ненужных
[16:51] <test13> SergeyIT: Почему не нужных? Их там не много как раз таки
[16:52] <SergeyIT> компиз один чего стоит
[16:52] <Eightynine> Почему не отвечаете?
[16:53] <SergeyIT> не знаем, вот и не отвечаем
[16:54] <Eightynine> Ну так и скажите. Вы сами чем пользуетесь?
[16:54] <SergeyIT> чего ты там поломал, неизвестно, создай тему на форуме, к примеру
[16:54] <SergeyIT> у меня сейчас runtu
[16:55] <Eightynine> Так я же не ломал, добавил репозитории Gnome, обновил. Может быть удалить их и сделать даунгрейд?
[16:56] <SergeyIT> попробуй, но может плохо кончиться, ты же там уже понаставил чего
[16:57] <Eightynine> Ну только Unity через Центр приложений.
[16:57] <SergeyIT> а юнити как устанавливал?
[16:58] <Eightynine> Открыл Центр приложений, вбил в поиск Unity, нажал Установить. Я на английском канале писал, узнали, что у меня русская версия, сказали сюда зайти.
[17:00] <Eightynine> Насчет Гнома что скажете? По-моему он убогий. Хорош только своим меню Обзор. Ну панель приложений.
[17:00] <SergeyIT> а надо ubuntu-desktop, наверно... но с репами gnome может быть конфликт
[17:00] <Eightynine> А если через tty установить?
[17:01] <SergeyIT> пощел домой
[17:02] <Eightynine> Удачи. Как эта программа Обновление программ называется по-английски? Может быть надо через терминал установить?
[17:02] <test13> Eightynine: Кто то говорил, но слухи это такие слухи, мол не надо ставить вместе unity и gnome shell, если не хотишь проблем
[17:06] <test13> Eightynine: но если вы ставили gnome shell со стороннего репозитория, то естественно, что поломали )
[17:06] <Eightynine> Вроде я тоже что-то такое слышал. Мне бы узнать, что лучше установить и как называется та утилита для обновления программ. Их было 2(одна для дополнительных файлов, другая для обновления всех приложений, вот эта вторая пропала)
[17:07] <test13> Eightynine: Скорей всего у вас двоится в глазах
[17:07] <test13> Eightynine: sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrate
[17:08] <Eightynine> Нет, одна была Обновление приложений, а вторая Обновление программ, даже значки были разные. Можете посмотреть у себя?
[17:09] <Eightynine> Обновление делал, скачивались обновления ядра и нескольких компонентов Гном.
[17:13] <test13> Eightynine: Вы имеете ввиду "Программы и обновления" это GUI утилита, в прошлом имела более нормально понятное название "Источники приложений" через неё удобно добавлять и удалять репозитории, управлять их ключами, и обновлениями
[17:21] <test13> Eightynine: команды в консоли выполнили обычное обновления, аналогично действию GUI утилиты "Обновление приложений"
[17:30] <Eightynine> Программы и обновления остались. Мне нужно "Обновление системы". Вроде так.
[17:34] <Eightynine> У меня почему-то Chrome при работе с ВК подвисал или просто начинал тупить, а Chromium вообще показывал Опаньки. Сегодня Хром при открытом одном сайте вообще завис, система стала тормозить, правая кнопка мышки не работала, на рабочем столе появилась белая
[17:34] <Eightynine> полоска. Потом появилось сообщение, что страница не отвечает, закрыл, система по-прежнему тормозила.
[17:41] <Eightynine> Я думаю, самый правильный вариант-через tty удалить Gnome и Unity и тот репозиторий Gnome и установить MATE или Unity.
[17:42] <Eightynine> sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade Застрял на "Чтение пакетов... Готово"
[17:50] <test13> Eightynine: А даунгред пакетов с gnome репозитория кто делать будет?
[17:51] <test13> Eightynine: Можно многое попробовать, и мате, ишмате, но я бы потом, переустановил систему, что бы избавиться от будущимх сюрпризов, вы уже не контролируете систему
[17:53] <Eightynine> Я несколько дней назад установил, не хотелось бы лишний раз переустанавливать и мучить SSD.
[17:54] <Eightynine> Репозиторий удалил, теперь запустить sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade?
[18:01] <test13> Eightynine: Проблема в том, что ты не понимаешь впринципе, что ты делаешь.
[18:01] <test13> Eightynine: репозиторий PPA?
[18:02] <Eightynine> Вышел-снова зашел, сначала update, потом upgrade, пишет, что будет установлено 0 пакетов. Да, PPA Gnome Team
[18:02] <Eightynine> Ну да, я мало что знаю в Linux.
[18:02] <test13> Eightynine: Ответь на вопрос, зачем нужен репозиторий системе, после установки с него программ?
[18:05] <Eightynine> Потому что система была с Gnome 3.10, некоторые программы вообще от Gnome 3.8, а я хотел как минимум 3.12-3.14 или последнюю версию(3.16). В первый день установился 3.10.4, а на следующий день вроде 3.12.
[18:06] <test13> Eightynine: Короче, верни на место PPA Gnome Team
[18:06] <test13> выполни sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[18:06] <test13> Затем: sudo ppa-purge 'имя_репозитория_PPA'
[18:06] <test13> Указать именно его короткий вариант
[18:07] <Eightynine> Я так и сделал. Нашел команду на форуме Ubuntu. Имею в виду команду для удаления PPA.
[18:07] <Eightynine> Вот так же? sudo apt-get install ppa-purge sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[18:08] <Eightynine> Как всегда сам себе создал себе проблему, теперь непонятно как решить.
[18:23] <test13> Eightynine: Я написал, что вам делать, вы же пишете какой то бред, внимательней будьте.
[18:27] <test13> Eightynine: Сам отвклёкся
[18:27] <test13> Eightynine: Да верно всё
[19:08] <Eightynine> Unity установился не полностью, не могу зайти(рабочий стол не загружается), пакетный менеджер пишет, что отложены битые пакеты. Теперь что, переустанавливать?
[21:22] <Darkforce> Наконец-то я решил свои проблемы с Ubuntu. Спасибо за попытку помочь мне, спасибо Google и всем тем ребятам, которые делают блоги и пишут статьи. Спасибо Canonical for Unity. И удачи ребятам на этом канале.
[21:34] <Sergey_IT> и как решил?
[21:39] <Darkforce> Там целая история, оказывается я удалил не все репозитории Gnome Team. Зашел с телефона в интернет, нашел инструкцию, удалил все их репозитории, система сделала даунгрейд, удалил остатки Гнома, установил пакеты Unity, которых не хватало, все равно не работа
[21:39] <Darkforce> ла. Установил XFCE, через tty ничего не запускалось, сделал unity --reset и unity --replace, процесс застрял, Ctrl-C, перезагрузил, запустился XFCE, там был стиль Xubuntu. Открыл Центр приложений, удалил все, что оставалось от Гнома,вышел, зашел в Unity, раньше никогда не пользова
[21:39] <Darkforce> лся. Решил не удалять.
[21:40] <Darkforce> Ладно, всем пока. Что-то меня понесло.
[21:43] <Sergey_IT> мешанина у тебя получилась, проще поставить заново, а другие ДЕ в виртуалке сначала посмотреть (хотя, можно и с лайвСД)
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2015-04-09-#launchpad-dev | [02:56] <cjwatson> wgrant: Thanks, that looks like excellent advice on db-index-bpph-datecreated. The COUNT(*) did actually come from a real query, but that's because I was using list() on the collection; not totally unreasonable since I wanted the whole collection anyway, but I'd forgotten that it concealed a race.
[02:56] <cjwatson> (And yes, I know it's a silly time. Fell asleep getting the children to bed and in a slightly odd state of sleepiness as a result; I'm going back to bed soon.)
[02:56] <wgrant> Heh
[02:57] <wgrant> cjwatson: The racy version probably wouldn't be too bad, but the fixes to make it non-racy should be pretty easy I think.
[02:57] <cjwatson> I agree.
[03:02] <cjwatson> Perhaps it makes sense to add a similar ordering parameter to getPublishedSources as well. We don't need it in this case, but it's easy to imagine, and it's better to keep APIs symmetric where they don't need to be asymmetric.
[03:03] <wgrant> cjwatson: I don't know, anyone using the API would probably be upset by such consistency or sense.
[03:04] <wgrant> The LP API just wouldn't feel the same without smatterings of exact_match=False and the like.
[03:04] <cjwatson> We should be applying PHP design patterns?
[03:04] <wgrant> Precisely.
[03:04] <cjwatson> Noted.
[03:06] <cjwatson> I should probably Stormify getAPB too before my eyes bleed too much.
[03:07] <wgrant> IIRC it has very few internal callsites, so it should be easy enough to port.
[03:07] <cjwatson> Two.
[03:07] <cjwatson> (One of which is annoyingly *almost* test-only.)
[03:08] <cjwatson> Oh, well, two for _getBinaryPublishingBaseClauses, probably more for getAllPublishedBinaries.
[03:40] <blr> pit y console.log(Y.Node.DOM_EVENTS.key.eventDef.KEY_MAP);
[03:40] <blr> err pity. Only 5 keys in that map
[03:43] <blr> kind of loath to use the charCodes in tests, but adding a new KeyEvent map there seems redundant.
[03:43] <blr> wgrant: anyhow, have some integration tests for nav, and found a bug in the process which was nice.
[03:44] <blr> wgrant: afaict we don't have js unittests?
[03:47] <wgrant> blr: There aren't many proper unit tests, no.
[03:48] <blr> wgrant: a bit more noise in the diff now, I fixed some js lintiness.
[03:50] <blr> wgrant: if we can modernised our js build process, we could consider adopting something like karma.
[03:50] <blr> have used that in the past and it is rather good.
[03:53] <blr> did you have a chance to look at babel?
[03:53] <wgrant> It sounded too good to be true :P
[03:53] <blr> hah right
[03:54] <blr> wgrant: I have a friend at mozilla, I should ask him about it - they're using it apparently.
[04:02] <blr> wgrant: transitioning to something like webpack/babel/gulp seems sensible, but I'm not certain how we do that while also supporting yui3. Suspect it is going to be messy.
[04:08] <wgrant> I suspect it would be reasonably possible to use webpack to load YUI3, but it won't be totally trivial.
[04:18] <blr> something to experiment with a bit later perhaps.
[04:19] <wgrant> Yep.
[05:04] <wgrant> tsk
[05:25] <blr> wgrant: for some reason lp-land wants to uses a curses browser, but firefox is set as my x-www-browser alternative - have you seen that?
[05:25] <wgrant> blr: You're not accidentally running it inside a container?
[05:25] <blr> err... maybe? >.>
[05:25] <blr> thanks
[05:27] <wgrant> Heh, I do that all the time...
[11:57] <cjwatson> wgrant: Hm, inserting StormRangeFactory here is less than trivial; all the uses to date have been in browser code, not webservice. I think lazr.restful might need some extensions here - perhaps by adding a range_factory to ICollection?
[12:06] <cjwatson> And maybe an optional parameter to export_as_webservice_collection
[12:13] <wgrant> cjwatson: Hmm, you may well be right...
[12:14] <wgrant> It's also possible that launchpadlib won't like it.
[12:14] <wgrant> I remember we ran into this years ago, but we may not have solved it.
[12:14] <cjwatson> I can start in on the lazr.restful changes, though I have the sense of a rabbit-hole
[12:15] <wgrant> Quite.
[12:15] <cjwatson> All I want is ddebs damnit
[12:16] <wgrant> Still, most of the benefit can be gained without SRF
[12:16] <cjwatson> We can't run it reliably without SRF, can we?
[12:16] <wgrant> Because the traversal will be shallow with the collection sanely ordered.
[12:16] <cjwatson> Because the memos will be wrong
[12:16] <wgrant> Oh, yeah.
[12:17] <cjwatson> Although the batch is only going to be shuffled backwards
[12:17] <wgrant> Yeah, in this case it's probably safeish.
[12:17] <wgrant> It can be shuffled the other direction if things get deleted.
[12:17] <cjwatson> That is, the ordering means that the worst case is that elements 76-150 (say) in the batch were previously elements 75-149 or earlier
[12:17] <wgrant> (which they often do, nowdaays)
[12:17] <cjwatson> Oh? Bah, good point.
[12:18] <cjwatson> So I think I need to at least try to attack this.
[12:18] <wgrant> The alternative, of course, is to let the status filter be omitted.
[12:19] <cjwatson> We arguably want that anyway
[12:19] <wgrant> Quite.
[12:19] <cjwatson> For more reliable retracing, ddeb-retriever wants to catch up with everything, not just what's Published right now
[12:19] <wgrant> Well, that will be achieved eventually with the retracers not using ddebs.u.c at all.
[12:19] <cjwatson> Yes, but not for a while.
[12:20] <wgrant> But I've long wanted a getPublishedBinaries that was designed to be used.
[12:20] <cjwatson> How about I timebox this: I'll spend until end of day today seeing how far I get with inserting SRF
[12:21] <wgrant> Works for me.
[12:21] <cjwatson> If the madness continues I can give up and go for the stupid and duplicative approach.
[13:34] <cjwatson> wgrant: Could I have PyPI access to lazr.batchnavigator, please, so that I can finish up bug 872086 while I'm buried in all of this anyway?
[13:34] <mup> Bug #872086: Distribution:+ppas and Distribution:+questions issue unlimited queries when memo=0&direction=backwards <qa-ok> <regression> <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by rvb> <lazr.batchnavigator:Fix Committed by rvb> <Storm:Fix Released by rvb> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/872086>
[13:34] <cjwatson> wgrant: Maybe also lazr.restful
[13:38] <wgrant> cjwatson: You're cjwatson?
[13:43] <cjwatson> wgrant: Yes.
[13:43] <wgrant> cjwatson: Done.
[13:43] <cjwatson> Thanks
[16:36] <cjwatson> wgrant: Looking harder, I'm not sure what you mean about the status filter. It can be omitted already and you get publications with any status.
[16:37] <cjwatson> wgrant: I think I have a first cut at the lazr.restful changes, although I'm sufficiently unfamiliar with the lazr.restful test suite that I won't be especially confident in them until I've tried hooking that up to LP.
[22:23] <wgrant> cjwatson: Oh, forgot status was optional. | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.826767 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-il | [05:55] <yossisagol> שלום
[05:55] <yossisagol> התקנתי אובונטו והכל בסדר אבל יש לי בעיה עם הסקייפ
[05:55] <yossisagol> אני לא מצליח לשמוע שום דבר ולא שומעים אותי
[05:55] <yossisagol> אני מצליח לשמוע מוסיקה,אז לא ברור לי מה הבעיה
[05:55] <yossisagol> למישהו יש רעיון? | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.829247 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-mozillateam | [04:09] <Unit193> Any plan for mozilla-nss-sysinit in Ubuntu? https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Share_certificates_between_applications_or_whole_system
[04:30] <micahg> Unit193: that'll cause branding issues I would think
[04:31] <Unit193> Well, that style of thing at least. Using /etc/pki/ in Ubuntu more easily would be handy. | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.831669 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-it | [05:32] <akis24> giorno
[06:41] <Raulxx83> buongioro
[06:43] <Raulxx83> Volevo sapere il rapporto di compressione di Déjà Dup. Qualcuno di voi puo aiutarmi
[06:44] <Raulxx83> mi spiego meglio...ho un Raid0 con due hd da 500Gb. . . .adesso dovrei comprare un hd Usb da usare come unita di backup...ma mi serve sapere quanto deve essere grande
[06:48] <akis24> Raulxx83: immagino almeno 1 terabyte comunque
[06:50] <Raulxx83> perfetto. pensavo che il rapporto di compressione fosse del 50% ...e che quindi poteva andar bene anche un 500 ...ma alla fine per la differenza di prezzo prendo 1tb
[06:51] <Raulxx83> grazie akis
[06:51] <akis24> di nulla
[07:50] <Alexandro> Carlin0 Carlino Carlin0
[08:45] <Raulxx83> ragazzi per info. ho un hd da 500gb con installato xubuntu, dove risiede una cartella condivisa in rete. Se aggiungo un secondo hd da 500gb per fare un raid0 devo reinstallare il sistema
[08:47] <Raulxx83> ah visto che ci siamo, qualche giorno fa avevo richiesto l intervento perche vnc funzionava male...alla fine ho scoperto che era un problema di cavo. quindi grazie ancora per l aiuto
[09:20] <Raulxx83> ragazzi per info. ho un hd da 500gb con installato xubuntu, dove risiede una cartella condivisa in rete. Se aggiungo un secondo hd da 500gb per fare un raid0 devo reinstallare il sistema
[09:27] <remix_tj> Raulxx83: vuoi fare un raid 0 per allargare il disco?
[09:27] <remix_tj> meglio se usi LVM
[09:39] <Raulxx83> si per allargare un disco
[09:39] <Raulxx83> come funziona Lvm?
[10:18] <marvindep> ciao, ho una chiavetta internet della tim che per usarla dovrei "eseguire un software", non me lo fa ..mi da errore "Impossibile localizzare il programma"...si puo rimediare???
[10:19] <akis24> marvindep: che sistema usi ?
14.04 lts
[10:21] <akis24> marvindep: modello chiavetta ?
huawei 14.4 mbps
[10:23] <akis24> marvindep: " huawei " seguita di solito da un numero o sigla ...
aspetta che la apro
e3131
[10:26] <akis24> marvindep: prova a seguire qui http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=582532
grazie
[10:52] <GreenRabbit> buongiorno mi capita una cosa con kubuntu 14.10, in pratica dopo svariate ore che ho il pc acceso inizia a rallentare il sistema, difatti in monitor di sistema il grafico mi porta un processo che utilizza una cpu al 100% http://i.imgur.com/VHLWXMA.png mentre nella tabella processi non riesco a capire qual'è il processo che utilizza la cpu
[10:57] <pigeta> giorno
[10:59] <pigeta> devo rinfrescare grub dopo una nuova installazione qual'e il comando update-grub?
[11:01] <GreenRabbit> !grub | pigeta
[11:01] <ubot-it> pigeta: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino
[11:03] <pigeta> tnx
[11:18] <glpiana> ola
[11:41] <bellapig> ciao a tutti
[11:43] <bellapig> ho rimosso un programma,"autoscan-network",seguite diverse guide,ma l'icona appare ancora nel pannello,se clicco su rimuovi,resta,e neppure dal percorso si elimina
[11:44] <glpiana> bellapig, parli dell'icona di un programma che hai installato tu o l'icona di rete di default?
[11:44] <bellapig> l'icona di un programma si....glpiana
[11:44] <bellapig> uso lubuntu
[11:45] <glpiana> bellapig, e che si trattava dell'icona di un programma non c'erano dubbi. ti ho chiesto se è l'icona del gestore di rete di sistema o di altro programma da te installato a parte
[11:46] <bellapig> ..beh non somo molto pratico,magari c'era...allora...e non ci avevo mai fatto caso!!!!tuttavia se ci clicco sopra non fa nulla
[11:46] <bellapig> installato di terza parte cmq
[11:46] <glpiana> bellapig, non ne ricordi il nome?
[11:47] <bellapig> ovvio. Autoscan_network
[11:47] <bellapig> autoscan-network*
[11:47] <glpiana> bellapig, apri un terminale e scrivi: ps aux | grep network
[11:47] <glpiana> !paste | bellapig
[11:47] <ubot-it> bellapig: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[11:49] <bellapig> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782059/
[11:50] <glpiana> bellapig, posta anche una schermata, così si capisce di che icona parli
[11:50] <glpiana> !image | bellapig
[11:50] <ubot-it> bellapig: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[11:50] <glpiana> torno tra 20 minuti
[11:52] <bellapig> non riesco a fare lo screen se apri il pannello
[11:52] <bellapig> comunque credo mi sono confuso è la barra applicazioni
[11:53] <bellapig> cioè dove clicco in alto a sinistra
[11:53] <bellapig> "menu"
[11:53] <bellapig> sezone internet
[13:15] <bellapig> glpiana grazie,,ho poi risolto,stava nel meni!
[13:16] <GreenRabbit> !paste
[13:16] <ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[13:17] <GreenRabbit> Ho installato freecad e TeighaFileConverter per aprire i file dwg, purtroppo non riesco a convertirli perchè non riesce a caricare una libreria http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782619/
[13:25] <krabador> è nel repository
[13:28] <glpiana> freecad sì, il convertitore non credo
[13:34] <akis24> sera
[13:44] <GreenRabbit> esatto freecad si il convertitore l'ho scaricato direttamente dal sito
[13:45] <krabador> intendo libQt5Widgets
[13:47] <GreenRabbit> krabador: ho provato sudo apt-get install libQt5Widgets mi dice impossibile trovare il pacchetto
[13:47] <glpiana> GreenRabbit, libqt5widgets5
[13:47] <glpiana> tutto minuscolo
[13:48] <GreenRabbit> glpiana: idem anche minuscolo
[13:48] <glpiana> GreenRabbit, su che ubuntu sei?
[13:49] <GreenRabbit> sono kubuntu 14.10
[13:49] <glpiana> !info libqt5widgets5 utopic
[13:49] <ubot-it> 'utopic' is not a valid distribution: lucid, precise, trusty
[13:49] <glpiana> mmm...
[13:50] <glpiana> GreenRabbit, scrivi nel terminale: apt-cache search libqt5
[13:50] <GreenRabbit> !paste
[13:51] <ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[13:51] <GreenRabbit> glpiana: ecco http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782824/
[13:51] <glpiana> GreenRabbit, riga 56: libqt5widgets5 - Qt 5 widgets module
[13:52] <GreenRabbit> si sto installando mi mancava il 5 finale xD
[13:52] <GreenRabbit> funziona
[13:52] <GreenRabbit> :D
[13:52] <GreenRabbit> grazie
[16:13] <onepbl> avrei bisogno di aiuto per installazione temi grafici con ubuntu 14.10
[16:13] <cristian_c> onepbl, ti si era risposto l'altra volta
[16:13] <cristian_c> e fatto domande
[16:13] <cristian_c> onepbl, a cui non hai risposto
[16:13] <onepbl> cristian_c, si scusa la volta scorsa mi sono dovuto disconnettere
[16:14] <cristian_c> onepbl, quale ambiente desktop stai utilizzando?
[16:14] <onepbl> cristian_c, e non sono riuscito a seguire
[16:14] <onepbl> cristian_c, io ho ubuntu 14.10
[16:14] <cristian_c> onepbl, unity, kde o che altro?
[16:15] <onepbl> cristian_c, non sono in grado di risponderti. come posso controllare?
[16:15] <cristian_c> onepbl, echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[16:16] <onepbl> cristian_c, risponde: ubunntu
[16:16] <onepbl> ubu ntu
[16:17] <cristian_c> onepbl, unity
[16:17] <onepbl> cristian_c, quindi ho unity?
[16:17] <cristian_c> onepbl, sicuro il tema in tuo possesso sia compatibile con unity?
[16:17] <cristian_c> onepbl, certo
[16:19] <onepbl> cristian_c, il problema che non so proprio dove vanno aggiunti
[16:20] <cristian_c> onepbl, prima controlla la compatibilità, altrimenti non ha senso
[16:20] <onepbl> cristian_c, io ne avevo visto uno gtk 3
[16:21] <onepbl> cristian_c, una cosa del genere
[16:21] <onepbl> cristian_c, da questo sito http://gnome-look.org/
[16:21] <cristian_c> onepbl, si fanno i controlli del caso prima
[16:22] <cristian_c> onepbl, ma scusa, nei repository non c'è nessun tema di tuo gradimento?
[16:22] <cristian_c> da installare separatamente
[16:23] <onepbl> cristian_c, non ho idea di dove cercarli su "aspetto" ce ne sono solo tre
[16:24] <cristian_c> onepbl, nei repository, da installare separatamente
[16:24] <cristian_c> non preinstallati
[16:25] <onepbl> cristian_c, scusami sono un pò impedito, come devo cercarli?
[16:25] <cristian_c> onepbl, hai almeno provato a fare una ricerca nei repo?
[16:25] <cristian_c> con il tuo gestore di pacchetti preferito
[16:25] <onepbl> cristian_c, sono utente ubuntu da qualche mese... non ho idea
[16:25] <cristian_c> onepbl, quale gestore di pacchetti utilizzi?
[16:26] <onepbl> cristian_c, sono asiutto asciutto, cosa mi stai chiedendo?
[16:26] <cristian_c> onepbl, come cerchi e installi i pacchetti su ubuntu?
[16:26] <onepbl> cristian_c, ubuntu software canere
[16:26] <onepbl> cristian_c, center
[16:27] <cristian_c> onepbl, bene, cerca nel software center
[16:27] <cristian_c> ci sono categorie
[16:27] <cristian_c> !installareprogrammi
[16:27] <ubot-it> installareprogrammi is http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InstallareProgrammi
[16:27] <cristian_c> onepbl, in particolare: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/InstallareProgrammi/UbuntuSoftwareCenter
[16:28] <cristian_c> colonna sinistra 'Temi e regolazioni'
[16:28] <cristian_c> come da screenshot
[16:28] <onepbl> cristian_c, devo scappare. Grazie. appena posso conterollo
[19:11] <Paradisee> o/
[19:11] <Paradisee> Sapeto come posso far andare il secondo monitor su ubuntu?
[19:15] <Paradisee> paradisee@Paradisee-Main:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[19:15] <Paradisee> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Pitcairn PRO [Radeon HD 7850]
[19:37] <cristian_c> Paradisee, la scheda permette di pilotarne due?
[19:37] <cristian_c> il procio
[19:38] <Paradisee> si
[19:38] <cristian_c> Paradisee, unity?
[19:40] <Paradisee> kde
[19:44] <cristian_c> ok
[19:45] <krabador> Paradisee, impostazioni --- monitor, vedi che dice
[19:45] <krabador> Paradisee, hai installato i catalyst?
[19:46] <Paradisee> krabador: cosa dovrebbe dire
[19:47] <Paradisee> http://www.twitch.tv/paradisee89/
[19:47] <Paradisee> ^
[19:48] <krabador> Paradisee, non si fa spam quii
[19:48] <Paradisee> non è spam
[19:49] <cristian_c> pubblicità :D
[19:49] <Paradisee> http://imgur.com/TAQwFfw
[19:49] <krabador> Paradisee, puoi rispondere alle domande che ti vengono rivolte?
[19:49] <cristian_c> vga + dvi
[19:49] <Paradisee> krabador: puoi fare domande piu semplici e che tutti possono capire?
[19:51] <krabador> il catalyst è il driver closed fatto da amd , per le ati
[19:51] <Paradisee> bene ce l'ho
[19:58] <cristian_c> uhm, ci sono altre porte
[19:58] <cristian_c> la radeon pare abbia una vga (in uso), una hdmi
[20:00] <cristian_c> e due mini display port
[20:01] <Paradisee> provo a riavviare, vediamo un po
[20:03] <krabador> Paradisee, allora puoi aprire il catalyst control center
[20:09] <Paradisee> nothing
Paradisee, allora puoi aprire il catalyst control center
[20:10] <Paradisee> come
[20:11] <cristian_c> Paradisee, se hai installato i driver closed, troverai installato anche il control center
[20:11] <Paradisee> devo riavviare, ha di nuovo smadonnato
Paradisee, se hai installato i driver closed, troverai installato anche il control center
[20:14] <Paradisee> sotto che nome
[20:15] <cristian_c> Paradisee, cerca amdcccle
[20:15] <cristian_c> !info amdcccle
[20:15] <ubot-it> Package amdcccle does not exist in trusty
[20:17] <cristian_c> sudo amdcccle
[20:17] <cristian_c> o meglio: kdesudo amdcccle
[20:21] <Paradisee> mi sapete aiutare o no?
[20:21] <cristian_c> Paradisee, almeno hai provato?
[20:21] <Paradisee> non si apre nessun catalist
[20:22] <cristian_c> Paradisee, cosa ottieni?
[20:22] <cristian_c> Paradisee, quale kubuntu?
[20:22] <cristian_c> son domande fondamentali
[20:22] <Paradisee> ubuntu 14.04
[20:22] <cristian_c> Paradisee, hai installato kde successivamente?
[20:22] <Paradisee> ya
[20:23] <cristian_c> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2166976
[20:23] <cristian_c> dev'essere cambiato qualcosa
[20:23] <cristian_c> !info fglrx-amdcccle
[20:23] <ubot-it> fglrx-amdcccle (source: fglrx-installer): Catalyst Control Center for the AMD graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2:13.350.1-0ubuntu2 (trusty), package size 4938 kB, installed size 14470 kB (Only available for amd64; i386)
[20:24] <cristian_c> Paradisee, kdesudo fglrx-amdcccle
[20:24] <Paradisee> sto installando .-.
[20:26] <Paradisee> fa nulla
[20:26] <cristian_c> Paradisee, hai provato solo con ubuntu, o anche con altre distro?
[20:26] <Paradisee> ubuntu
[20:26] <cristian_c> Paradisee, cerca di essere preciso
[20:27] <cristian_c> qual'è la risposta del terminale?
[20:27] <Paradisee> nessuna
[20:27] <cristian_c> !paste | Paradisee
[20:27] <ubot-it> Paradisee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[20:27] <cristian_c> Paradisee, non ci siamo
[20:27] <Paradisee> paradisee@Paradisee-Main:~$ kdesudo fglrx-amdcccle
[20:27] <Paradisee> paradisee@Paradisee-Main:~$
[20:28] <cristian_c> Paradisee, non si è aperta alcuna finestra?
[20:28] <Paradisee> no.
[20:28] <cristian_c> Paradisee, sudo fglrx-amdcccle
[20:28] <cristian_c> Paradisee, non hai neanche richieste di password?
[20:28] <Paradisee> command not found
[20:29] <cristian_c> !paste
[20:29] <ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[20:29] <Paradisee> sudo: fglrx-amdcccle: command not found
[20:29] <Paradisee> rebooto
[20:31] <cristian_c> Paradisee, ma poco fa avevi installato il pacchetto?
sto installando .-.
[20:31] <Paradisee> adesso ha apero il control center
[20:31] <cristian_c> ah, ecco
[20:31] <Paradisee> paradisee@Paradisee-Main:~$ amdcccle
[20:32] <cristian_c> Paradisee, credo vada fatto con i permessi di root
[20:32] <cristian_c> Paradisee, quindi: kdesudo amdcccle
[20:32] <Paradisee> kk
[20:33] <cristian_c> in quanto con i permessi di utente non permette di salvare alcune operazioni, a quanto ricordo da passati utilizzi e da quel che si trova effettuando una ricerca
[20:33] <Paradisee> cmq trova solo uno schermo
[20:34] <Paradisee> http://www.twitch.tv/paradisee89/
[20:34] <Paradisee> ^
[20:35] <Paradisee> non da segni di altri schermi
[20:35] <cristian_c> Paradisee, digita: xrandr -q
[20:35] <cristian_c> !paste
[20:35] <ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[20:36] <Paradisee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785634/
[20:37] <cristian_c> Paradisee, quali uscite hai collegato?
[20:37] <Paradisee> dvi
[20:37] <cristian_c> e poi?
[20:37] <Paradisee> basta
[20:38] <Paradisee> 2 dvi
[20:38] <cristian_c> Paradisee, fai una prova
[20:38] <cristian_c> Paradisee, scambia le porte con i monitor
[20:39] <cristian_c> e poi ridigita: xrandr -q
[20:39] <Paradisee> non posso
[20:39] <Paradisee> un monitor è a 60hz, l'altro non lo supporta
[20:39] <cristian_c> Paradisee, il monitor quanti ingressi ha?
[20:39] <Paradisee> troppi
[20:41] <krabador> Paradisee, manda screenshot di amdcccle
[20:41] <cristian_c> Paradisee, esattamente quali?
[20:41] <Paradisee> krabador: c'è il live screen
[20:42] <Paradisee> cristian_c: 2 hdmi
[20:42] <cristian_c> Paradisee, come hai fatto a collegare dvi a un ingresso hdmi?
[20:42] <cristian_c> adattatore?
[20:42] <cristian_c> !image
[20:42] <ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[20:42] <Paradisee> parli del primo monitor, o del secondo
[20:43] <Paradisee> il primo è collegato dvi -> vga
[20:43] <Paradisee> il secondo con adattatore, dvi -> vga
[20:43] <cristian_c> Paradisee, considera che potrebbe essere quello
[20:44] <cristian_c> il problema del mancato riconoscimento
[20:44] <Paradisee> se metto il primo monitor al secondo attacco della scheda video, non funziona
[20:45] <Paradisee> non capisco...
[20:46] <Paradisee> volendo posso anche usare l'attacco hdmi della scheda videa
[20:46] <cristian_c> Paradisee, non è chiaro
[20:46] <cristian_c> hai due monitor con ingresso hdmi
[20:46] <Paradisee> ho l'adattatore che converte il segnale digitale ad analogico
[20:46] <cristian_c> cosa c'entra vga?
[20:46] <Paradisee> no, i 2 monitor hanno ingresso vga
[20:47] <Paradisee> uno, ha l'ingresso vga, hdmi,
Paradisee, esattamente quali?
cristian_c: 2 hdmi
[20:47] <Paradisee> [22:39:41] <cristian_c> Paradisee, il monitor quanti ingressi ha?
[20:47] <cristian_c> appunto
[20:47] <Paradisee> appunto
[20:47] <cristian_c> -,-
[20:47] <Paradisee> 1° monitor: 2hdmi, vga
[20:47] <Paradisee> 2° monito: 1 vga
[20:48] <Paradisee> provo a collegare il primo monitor con hdmi
[20:48] <cristian_c> Paradisee, allora, fai un po' di prove
[20:48] <cristian_c> Paradisee, possibilmente senza adattatori
[20:48] <Paradisee> gli adattatori funzionano
[20:48] <Paradisee> convertono il segnale
[20:49] <Paradisee> non sono solo convertitori fasulli
[20:49] <cristian_c> ah, sì? E come mai non viene riconosciuto?
[20:49] <cristian_c> Paradisee, su quanti sistemi operativi hai provato?
[20:49] <Paradisee> se lo sapevo non ero qui
[20:49] <Paradisee> li uso per il raspberry, te lo dico per certo che sono convertitori di segnale
[20:49] <Paradisee> e non solo scambi di contatti
[20:50] <cristian_c> Paradisee, l'importante è che funzionino su quel pc
[20:50] <cristian_c> vale quanto detto prima
[20:56] <Paradisee> nada
[23:18] <poorUser> Salve a tutti! Qualcuno conosce un metodo per fare un X11 forwarding (ssh -Y) senza scombinare tutto il desktop di ubuntu? | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.846629 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-es | [03:21] <AlexLikeRock> buenas
[03:21] <AlexLikeRock> es bienvenido este troll aki ??? XDDDDDDDD
[04:27] <ivedci89-desktop> alguien que pueda ayudarme con ssh
[04:27] <ivedci89-desktop> he generado una llave publica y aunque la mande a .ssh remoto no puedo conectarme sin ingresar el password
[04:29] <ivedci89-desktop> ssh-keygen -t rsa
[04:29] <ivedci89-desktop> scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pubusuario@servidor.com:.ssh/authorized_keys2
[04:30] <ivedci89-desktop> $ ssh 192.168.0.100
[04:30] <ivedci89-desktop> ivedci@192.168.0.100's password:
[04:30] <ivedci89-desktop> por su puesto que sí, he reemplazado usuario y servidor por lo que corresponde
[10:51] * merrick Saluda.
[13:50] <exelsius> hola
[13:51] <exelsius> hola
como puedo solucionar los repositorios rotos
en ubuntu al instalar sendmail
http://pastebin.com/qGu6QVYM
zzzz - Pastebin.com
[13:52] <exelsius> hola
[13:59] <exelsius> hola
[13:59] <exelsius> alguien despierto
[14:47] <exelsius> hola
[19:40] <Xago> hola muchachos...disculpen la consulta tan básica, pero me cambié a gnome desde Unity y no encuentro el atajo para bloquear la pantalla y así pararme de mi escritorio, sin que estén husmeando
[19:40] <Xago> gracias por la ayuda
[19:41] <ivedci89> ctrl alt L
[19:41] <ivedci89> Xago:
[19:41] <Xago> lo intenté, pero no me funciona en Gnome, solo en Unity
[19:41] <Xago> :(
[19:42] <ivedci89> mmm
[19:42] <ivedci89> no se
[19:42] <ivedci89> super L
[19:42] <ivedci89> ufa yo estoy usando unity
[19:42] <ivedci89> que raro no sale en el menu esa ocpion
[19:47] <Xago> según los atajos del teclado, está bien definida la combinación CTRL+ALT+L, pero no funciona. :(
[20:13] * merrick Saluda
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2015-04-09-#juju | [09:12] <apuimedo> gnuoy: in bundles, how do you tell it to use a local charm
[09:12] <apuimedo> local:path/to/charm/dir ?
[11:48] <rick_h_> apuimedo: yes, and then you have to use the juju-deployer to deploy the bundle with a JUJU_REPOSITORY env var set
[11:51] <apuimedo> cool, thanks ;-)
[12:42] <stub> http://reports.vapour.ws/all-bundle-and-charm-results/charm-bundle-test-11139-results/charm/charm-testing-azure/1 indicates a problem in the new ci environment, which we had seem in the old one too.
[12:47] <stub> The exception is virtualenv being run with a python3 interpreter, but for some insane reason python2.7 libraries ending up in the path.
[12:48] <stub> http://reports.vapour.ws/all-bundle-and-charm-results/charm-bundle-test-parent-207/charm/charm-testing-azure/1 shows it getting past that point fine last week.
[12:53] <apuimedo> rick_h_: can you set 'expose: true' in a bundle?
[12:53] <rick_h_> apuimedo: definitely
[12:54] <apuimedo> rick_h_: like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782512/ ?
[12:56] <rick_h_> apuimedo: +1
[12:57] <apuimedo> thanks ;-)
[13:12] <tvan-afk> stub: http://reports.vapour.ws/charm-test-details/charm-bundle-test-parent-215
[13:13] <tvansteenburgh> stub: i think you were looking at the wrong results?
[13:13] <tvansteenburgh> lxc, joyent, aws still running
[13:22] <apuimedo> rick_h_: does it have any effect to have ntp with num_units=0 like in the openstack bundle?
[13:25] <rick_h_> apuimedo: hmm, is that a subordinate?
[13:25] <rick_h_> apuimedo: I think juju will not like having a subordinate with a num-units = 0 since it has to be on the parent machine
[13:25] <rick_h_> apuimedo: but if it's not then I don't think it'll care
[13:25] <apuimedo> rick_h_: as in "it will have no effect" ?
[13:26] <rick_h_> apuimedo: it will add the service to the environment, so the charm will be there, but it will not be deployed anywhere
[13:26] <rick_h_> apuimedo: so it'll take up no machines/etc
[13:27] <apuimedo> rick_h_: my question is, will it make any difference that the charm is there
[13:27] <rick_h_> apuimedo: it's a fine line, but it does have an effect in that juju will fetch the charm down from the charmstore and add it to it's 'database'
[13:27] <apuimedo> and relations are added to it?
[13:27] <rick_h_> apuimedo: yes, if there are relations in the bundle, juju will know 'if this thing has any units it needs to be related'
[13:28] <apuimedo> but as long as there are no units, no effect, right?
[13:28] <rick_h_> right
[13:39] <apuimedo> cool. Thanks
[16:04] <jcastro> evilnick, the instructions for the docs don't take into account the new multiversion stuff
[16:04] <jcastro> so as a result I have to cherry pick to each doc version
[16:05] <evilnick> jcastro, yes, I know. it is a pain at the moment, but it is okay, because I am electing myself chief of backports
[16:05] <jcastro> excellent
[16:05] <jcastro> I don't mind doing it if I would have known to do it in 1.18 and then moving forward is easy
[16:05] <evilnick> jcastro, which isn't to say i don't trust anyone else to do it properly of course
[16:05] <jcastro> but marco neglected to tell me all of these things until after I had commited
[16:05] <evilnick> yeah, it sucks going back
[16:06] <evilnick> don't worry, i will fix it
[16:06] <evilnick> jcastro, I will add something to the README also
[16:22] <drbidwell> With a MAAS I installed landscape-dense-maas with "juju-quickstart --no-browser bundle:~landscape/landscape-dense-maas/landscape-dense-maas" and then tried to install openstack with "juju quickstart bundle:openstack/openstack". It complained that some of the services for openstack were conflicting with the services of landscape-dense-maas. What is the right way to start the opentack install and how do it give it my config.yaml to use?
[16:24] <lazyPower> drbidwell: this is not an uncommon problem - thanks for bringing this up. I have a slight alternative you could try that doesn't involve quickstart
[16:24] <lazyPower> we have a python tool called juju-deployer, and its apt-get isntallable as 'apt-get install juju-deployer' - it will see the difference in topology and ammend the deployment command to leverage whats already in the environment.
[16:25] <lazyPower> juju-deployer bundle:openstack/openstack-base should do whats right, but I'll bring this up with rick_h_ and see if there isn't something we can do here to ease that pain of duplicated services when using quickstart
[16:30] <drbidwell> lazyPower: thanks. I will try it. Can I amend the config (like add more disks or ceph/ceph-osd) with juju-deployer?
[16:30] <lazyPower> you would need to modify the bundle i think, as thats all config based with ceph i do beleive.
[16:31] <jcastro> this has been a longstanding bug
[16:31] <jcastro> if you have a bundle that wants to deploy "mysql" and you have "mysql" deployed, you need to edit the bundle to something else
[16:31] <jcastro> this usually means you can't deploy multiple bundles in the same environment
[16:31] <jcastro> because everyone calls their bundle databases "mysql" or "postgres" instead of something unique
[16:32] <drbidwell> I have downloaded the openstack.yaml from the openstack charm and edited it. Will deployer take this yaml file?
[16:33] <jcastro> juju-deployer -c thatfile.yaml
[16:33] <drbidwell> Wonderful!
[16:35] <drbidwell> Can I add placement constraints to thatfile.yaml?
[16:36] <lazyPower> sure can
[16:36] <drbidwell> What is the syntax?
[16:36] <lazyPower> drbidwell: are you looking for a placement directive (to colocate) or need to set machine constraints such as 2GB of memory?
[16:37] <drbidwell> such as 2GB of memory
[16:37] <lazyPower> ok let me find either an example or the official docs - i dont recall right off teh top of my head
[16:38] <drbidwell> Actually I will need both as I only have 5 machine to allocate to my openstack at the moment
[16:39] <lazyPower> drbidwell: ok the placement directive is
[16:39] <drbidwell> I assume that if I run out of physical machines it can start using lxc in machines that meet the requirements
[16:39] <lazyPower> to: service
[16:39] <lazyPower> it will not, it will add them to teh topology and they will sit in pending until your elastic cloud can satisfy the machine requirements
[16:39] <lazyPower> if you need to push it to a lxc container, the syntax is
[16:40] <lazyPower> to: lxc:# (# being the machine id, or service identifier - eg lxc:1 or lxc:nova-gateway)
[16:41] <lazyPower> drbidwell: here's an example bundle with colocation placement (no lxc) https://gist.github.com/b64070bc83d3e4725d25
[16:41] <drbidwell> Thanks
[16:41] <lazyPower> still looking for the machine constraints, i was certain we had some big data bundles with that embedded
[16:43] <lazyPower> i'm not finding one but i'm fairly certain its in the format of adding a key 'constraints:' to the service definition and key=value pairs afterwords
[16:43] <lazyPower> constraints: mem=2G
[16:43] <lazyPower> use array notation for multiple constraints
[16:44] <drbidwell> I will try it. I have 2 types of machines for my test lab, disk/controllers and compute servers with differing numbers of cores. Should be easy.
[16:46] <lazyPower> evilnick: before I file this bug against the docs (and follow it with a PR) is there anything I need to do wrt multi versions that jcastro mentioned above? i'm going to update the bundle docs w/ constraints listing
[16:47] <evilnick> lazyPower, it depends what the bug is :)
[16:47] <lazyPower> https://github.com/juju/docs/issues/341
[16:48] <evilnick> the basic rule of thumb is, target your change against the *earliest* version that needs changing
[16:48] <evilnick> and make your PR against that
[16:48] <lazyPower> ok, i'm fairly certain thats 1.18+
[16:49] <evilnick> lazyPower, it is easier to pull the changes forward
[16:49] <lazyPower> so just proposing against master would only make more work for you.
[16:49] <lazyPower> got it
[16:49] <evilnick> yes, it looks like it
[17:08] <lazyPower> ok, should be g2g if the content is approved - https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/342 | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.859725 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#xubuntu | [01:40] <DazPetty> hey, if I delete my /proc/ directory, will my computer still boot?
[01:41] <DazPetty> I'm just wondering because I heard it is full of generated files
[01:45] <ryclik> I don't think you'll be able to
[01:46] <ryclik> They aren't "files" as you would think of them. They aren't on disk. It just a directory full of pretend files that the kernel creates to give/receive information.
[01:47] <ryclik> So theoretically, if you were able to delete any of them, the kernel would recreate them upon the next boot.
[01:58] <DazPetty> ah
[01:58] <DazPetty> thanks ryclik
[01:59] <ryclik> No problem
[02:12] <DazPetty> I might just fire up ubuntu in a VM and start destroying it for practice
[02:12] <DazPetty> like killing important files and recover them or something
[02:28] <ryclik> DazPetty: running rm -rf * is pretty fun in a vm
[02:29] <ryclik> as its running try to use the system normally as it disintegrates. The only things left after it's done are the processes which were lucky enough to be loaded into RAM
[02:29] <DazPetty> haha cool idea
[02:30] <ryclik> create snapshots so you don't need to worry about reinstalling while you're experimenting
[02:30] <DazPetty> ahh good idea
[02:31] <ryclik> I do this whenever I decide to install a new distro. Just nuke the old one and watch it die lol
[03:00] <drc>
[03:44] <kris_> ok hey i just upload this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyqt9Fqn_6M to show u how my computer atcs on its own, its hard to explain and making a vid was the only kind of thing i could come up wth
[04:01] <DatCholby> HELP
[04:01] <DatCholby> I JUST FUCKING RM'D EVERYTHING
[04:01] <DatCholby> IT'S ALL GONE
[04:01] <DatCholby> I AM PANICKING
[04:01] <elky> you're also lying and trolling
[04:01] <DatCholby> I HAD VERY IMPORTANT GAY PORN ON THERE ELKY
[04:01] <DatCholby> r u going to help me unrm
[04:02] <DatCholby> elky: it says this command does not exist
[04:15] <kris_> vid just added https://youtu.be/apQkQcDpMkM
[19:08] <Davor1> hi! anybody here?
[19:08] <holstein> yes
[19:09] <Davor1> please how i may change "select file" manager or set "sort folders before files" in existing? Thanks
[19:10] <mrkramps> what do you mean by "select file manager"?
[19:11] <elhe> can you tell me how do I check my ubuntu version via terminal
[19:11] <mrkramps> for the other one check Edit → Preferences [Display] in thunar
[19:11] <mrkramps> elhe, lsb_release -a
[19:11] <elhe> thanks
[19:11] <holstein> Davor1: try http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/preferences and search the page for "sort folders" and see if that works for you
[19:12] <Davor1> when i open file from bluefish it open "select file" conversation. In it is mixed files and folders by name. I wist folders in the top and files below
[19:13] <Davor1> *wish
[19:13] <holstein> Davor1: the link i gave should explain how to sort folders before files in thunar
[19:15] <Davor1> I use pcmanfm. It is ok. But for "select files" i think it is Nautilus. I may configure nautilus but it have no efect when i have "selest files# manager
[19:16] <mrkramps> oO
[19:16] <holstein> i would try upstream in #ubuntu or nautilus specific support
[19:18] <mrkramps> and maybe #lubuntu for pcmanfm specific issues
[19:19] <Davor1> Ok! Thank You!
[20:07] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[20:07] <CountryfiedLinux> How do I fix screen tearing?
[20:08] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, depends on your gfx card and driver used
[20:08] <CountryfiedLinux> mrkramps, Intel
[20:09] <Unit193> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Tear-free_video
[20:12] <CountryfiedLinux> mrkramps, It looks like that folder doesn't exist on my system.
[20:12] <CountryfiedLinux> I meant Unit193 sorry mrkramps
[20:12] <xubuntu71w> hey there, I'm new to linux. just installed xubuntu 14.04 on old pc. I'm trying to get Skype. I'm installing it, but it just won't start. I looked at many forums, tried different ways, but it just won't start. Terminal says aborted (core dumped). It'd be really glad if someone could help. Thanks
[20:12] <holstein> !skype
[20:12] <holstein> xubuntu71w: i try different versions.. i'll get the .deb from the site
[20:13] <Unit193> CountryfiedLinux: You can create it.
[20:13] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, create folder and file
[20:13] <mrkramps> sudo mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[20:13] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thanks
[20:13] <holstein> create the file.. you are likely looking for x11, and not X11
[20:14] <holstein> X11 should be there..
[20:14] <CountryfiedLinux> the wiki says X11
[20:14] <Unit193> holstein: /etc/X11/
[20:14] <holstein> CountryfiedLinux: it *is* X11.. but, you should have X11.. that "folder" should exist..
[20:14] <mrkramps> had been so forever i guess
[20:15] <holstein> im gussing you are searching /etc/x11.. but, no need to guess.. the command mrkramps gave will work.. ^
[20:15] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, btw. what model of intel card you have?
[20:16] <CountryfiedLinux> oops
[20:16] <CountryfiedLinux> It's xorg.conf that isn't there. I'll create it.
[20:16] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, xorg.conf is deprecated
[20:16] <CountryfiedLinux> that's what the wiki says to do
[20:17] <mrkramps> ist says xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[20:18] <CountryfiedLinux> I don't have any kind of xorg folder in etc/X11
[20:18] <CountryfiedLinux> but I can create it.
[20:18] <mrkramps> CountryfiedLinux, and you still have to create it, see above
[20:22] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thank you
[20:25] <CountryfiedLinux> I'm trying to open that directory with Pluma and it's popped up saying /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf is a directory. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again.
[20:26] <CountryfiedLinux> I know it's a directory because I just made it.
[20:27] <mrkramps> 20-intel.conf should be a file, _not_ a directory
[20:28] <CountryfiedLinux> oh ok thanks.
[20:28] <CountryfiedLinux> I'll try again.
[20:31] <CountryfiedLinux> OK do I reboot for changes to take effect or just logout?
[20:32] <mrkramps> just logout
[20:32] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thanks
[21:48] <netstar> I am running Kubuntu 15.04. How can I add the Xubuntu 15.04 repositories to use Xfce with "ubuntu"#?
[21:50] <knome> netstar, the repositories are the same.
[21:51] <netstar> they are??? ok...I am trying to use xfce 4.12 but only 4.10 is listed
[21:51] <mrkramps> netstar, you are not running kubuntu 15.04 then
[21:51] <netstar> oh I am
[21:53] <netstar> Ubuntu Vivid Vervet (development branch) \n \l
[21:53] <netstar> Linux Workstation 3.19.0-12-generic #12-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 3 04:03:26 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:54] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[21:54] <CountryfiedLinux> I found out how to fix screen tearing with Compton :D
[21:54] <CountryfiedLinux> Now how do I upgrade my wallpapers only?
[21:54] <mrkramps> netstar, ah … the xfce4 package is still listed with 4.10
[21:54] <netstar> oh i see
[21:55] <netstar> so just install that?
[21:55] <mrkramps> netstar, depends on what you want … bare desktop environment only or xubuntu
[21:55] <CountryfiedLinux> Oh I just found it.
[21:56] <netstar> okay :)
[21:56] <netstar> thanks people
[22:31] <gayle> I'm wanting to install xubuntu on a desktop coputer. As I look for an ISO, I see xubuntu-14.04 But what I do not see are any "point-releases"
[22:31] <gayle> Does xubuntu not have point-releases?
[22:31] <mrkramps> gayle, it has
[22:32] <gayle> mrkramps: Do not see them, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[22:32] <mrkramps> oO 14.04.2
[22:32] <gayle> mrkramps: Ok I see now...
[22:33] <gayle> is 14.04.2 the latest?
[22:33] <mrkramps> yes
[22:33] <gayle> Ok thank you.
[22:33] <Unit193> The hashes are also on the same server as the isos.
[22:33] <mrkramps> gayle, but it already has HWE enabled | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.876233 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-uk | [06:29] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:27] <diplo> Morning all
[07:32] <knightwise> hey diplo
[08:43] <awilkins> German Basketball team relegated to lower league by Windows Updates : https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=15/04/07/2051229
[08:44] <awilkins> I see a market for RasPi powered basketball scoreboards emerging in Germany
[08:46] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Indeed. A salient lesson in why "Autocratic Updates" should be disabled on production systems, and that laptop was a production system.
[08:46] <TwistedLucidity> We lost access to source control for 2 days becuase of an auto-update to ActiveDirectory.
[08:46] * TwistedLucidity was not a happy camper
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cherish An Antique Day! :-D
[09:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:28] <popey> oooh http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/09/holborn_fire_outage_could_have_covered_200m_jewelry_heist_says_excopper/
[09:50] <Lemongrab-> hi. using nvidia-settings, i set the preferred res, save to xorg.conf, verify that the config file has been written, reboot, and the changes do not take effect. anyone know anything that might help?
[09:51] <Lemongrab-> so to clarify, any customised settings revert on restart
[09:56] <Lemongrab-> here's the xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/iupYhprU - does it look ok to you? all i want is to set res to 1360x768
[10:05] <directhex> these settings are unacceptable!
[10:05] <directhex> sorry
[10:05] <directhex> ehm... would need to see xorg.0.log to make any determination
[10:06] <directhex> depending on the age of the TV, samsung may have only provided 1024x768 in the data stream about valid video modes (EDID) which is what the driver is trying to match against
[10:06] <diplo> Anyone here self employed, just had a customer ask about using any other accountancy software apart from Sage? Asked me for recommendations, I have no idea... his accountant has recommended some 'cloud' based ones
[10:08] <Lemongrab-> directhex, the res sets fine, it just doesn't save any settings changes
[10:09] <Lemongrab-> directhex, http://pastebin.com/c1ng0hr5
[10:12] <directhex> Lemongrab-: and you've manually set the res after about 4 minutes, because it was wrong?
[10:12] <Lemongrab-> directhex, within a few mins yeah
[10:13] <Lemongrab-> weird right?
[10:14] <directhex> i can see that, on line 367
[10:14] <directhex> i can see the res being set wrong on line 355
[10:15] <Lemongrab-> yup
[10:15] <directhex> but
[10:16] <directhex> it should be set right on line 130
[10:16] <Lemongrab-> what's NVIDIA(0) anyway?
[10:17] <directhex> those lines are logged by the nvidia driver itself
[10:17] <Lemongrab-> yeah NVIDIA(0) seems to change it again on 355 right?
[10:17] <Lemongrab-> so some other process must be changing it
[10:19] <directhex> you're connected via a VGA connector, or a DVI-VGA dongle?
[10:20] <Lemongrab-> dvi -> hdmi
[10:20] <Lemongrab-> if i could disable nvidia-auto-select it might help
[10:20] <directhex> er wait, what?
[10:21] <Lemongrab-> nvidia-auto-select is what appears to be overriding my settings at line 355
[10:21] <directhex> that's the fallback
[10:21] <Lemongrab-> even though it's not specified in the xorg.conf
[10:21] <directhex> Option "nvidiaXineramaInfoOrder" "CRT-0"
[10:22] <directhex> CRT-0 is the VGA connector
[10:22] <Lemongrab-> ok...
[10:23] <directhex> delete that line, and change the metamode line to DPY-0:1360x768+0+0
[10:24] <Lemongrab-> Option "metamodes" "DPY-0:1360x768+0+0" <-- like that?
[10:25] <directhex> yeah
[10:27] <Lemongrab-> ok, rebooting, brb :)
[10:29] <Lemongrab-> directhex, nope :(
[10:29] <directhex> odd. can i see the new log?
[10:29] <Lemongrab-> sure
[10:30] <Lemongrab-> directhex, http://pastebin.com/5xcbvGut
[10:32] <directhex> try DVI-I-0: instead of DPY-0: ?
[10:32] <Lemongrab-> ok trying
[10:34] <Lemongrab-> nope
[10:34] <directhex> ._.
[10:35] <Lemongrab-> http://pastebin.com/dWD6YTcJ
[10:37] <Lemongrab-> i've tried reinstalling nvidia drivers, although this is a spanking new install
[10:38] <Lemongrab-> had no problems with this before the reinstall though
[10:38] <Lemongrab-> i guess i could try alternate nvidia drivers?
[10:38] * davmor2 wraps JamesTait in bubble wrap
[10:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: Although I should probably wrap popey and MooDoo in bubble wrap as they are older even than me ;)
[10:41] <directhex> Lemongrab-: i don't see anything in the logs that tells me what's going wrong. sorry
[10:41] <Lemongrab-> :(
[10:41] <Lemongrab-> thanks for trying
[10:43] <popey> directhex: is there some way my son can play steam games that I've bought but not on my ID?
[10:43] <directhex> popey: yes.
[10:43] <popey> i.e. can I do some kind of "family" mode where his and my accounts are linked?
[10:44] <popey> ooh!
[10:44] <popey> how?
[10:44] <directhex> ok NOW you['re asking.
[10:44] <Lemongrab-> don't suppose anyone else has any idea? using nvidia-settings, i set the preferred res, save to xorg.conf, verify that the config file has been written, reboot, and the res is set to max available instead of my choice. xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/QmzxRBT9 Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/dWD6YTcJ
[10:44] <directhex> popey: Steam, Settings, Family, Family Library Sharing
[10:44] <popey> ahhh!
[10:44] <popey> gets complicated when he has his own account on the pc
[10:45] <directhex> popey: basically, YOU log in on HIS computer to say "i am fine sharing on this computer"
[10:45] <directhex> by clicking "authorize this computer"
[10:45] <popey> right
[10:45] <popey> problem is it's one computer
[10:45] <popey> dont want to download all the games twice
[10:45] <directhex> that's fine too
[10:46] <directhex> hm
[10:46] <directhex> he has his own unix account?
[10:46] <popey> yes
[10:46] <popey> but I can put the games on a shared storage
[10:46] <directhex> ok. create a new steam library, via Settings/Downloads/Steam Library Folders
[10:47] <directhex> and give that folder a+rw
[10:48] <popey> win.
[10:48] <popey> thanks
[10:49] <davmor2> directhex: you know way too much about steam :) nice advice though
[10:50] <Lemongrab-> directhex, it seems lightdm might be screwing with things
[10:50] <directhex> Lemongrab-: aha. amazing.
[10:51] <directhex> davmor2: http://apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/miscellaneous-junk/cedegahtml.png
[10:53] <directhex> yes, i had anime wallpapers, when i was 20. cringe, etc
[10:55] <zmoylan-pi> i downloaded 1-2 pics of star trek enterprise to use as wallpapers back in days of bbses but never used them
[10:56] <directhex> i'm a much more mature man than i was aged 20. no more wallpapers of random anime girls.
[10:56] <directhex> now it's Adventure Time!
[10:56] <awilkins> Only very specific anime girls will do
[10:56] <knightwise> directhex: good to see things are improving
[10:57] <directhex> 2004 wallpaper: http://apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/desktop-screenshots/desktop-2004-11-23.png
[10:57] <directhex> 2015 wallpaper: http://www.cartoonnetwork.co.uk/sites/www.cartoonnetwork.co.uk/files/Henchman.jpg
[10:57] <directhex> i think it's better now.
[11:01] <davmor2> directhex: :) nice
[11:02] <directhex> house currently has an adventure time naming scheme for computers, and CN have those nice episode title cards available at 1680x1050
[11:03] <directhex> although my desktop is deliberately not adventure time. it's a legacy computer i want gone
[11:08] <directhex> old desktop has http://gorillaz.com/images/xmas/xmas-22nd.gger4.jpg
[11:08] <directhex> which is basically hip-hop, and not remotely weeaboo
[11:13] <ali1234> did somebody say weeaboo?
[11:49] <daftykins> wow, inadyn is a horrible client to configure - for afraid.org
[11:49] <daftykins> (dynamic DNS)
[11:52] <diplo> ddclient not work for you daftykins ?
[11:53] <daftykins> not familiar with that one
[11:53] <daftykins> < Auctus> lol GTA5 PC is 7 DVDs <-- lol
[11:54] <diplo> That's the only one I knew of daftykins :)
[11:54] <popey> people buy games on DVD?
[11:54] * popey clicks the "PRE-LOAD" button for GTA5 in steam
[11:54] <popey> "Disk space required: 62064 MB"
[11:55] <awilkins> Wowzer
[11:55] <zmoylan-pi> of course i buy games on dvd. will this movie dvd rip easy or is it going to take a few passes with different software?
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> 62gb? for a game? a downloadable (eventually) game
[11:56] <daftykins> yep such is the way today, before DLC ;)
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> wait for the patches...
[11:56] <daftykins> i've already 3/4 filled my xbox one's paltry 500GB HDD
[11:57] <daftykins> nah the console generation have been used for patch exercise :D
[11:58] <popey> http://www.tesco.com/direct/husky-stella-artois-beer-fridge/100-3809.prd?sc_cmp=tp4_aff_1018132
[11:58] <popey> bargain
[11:59] <daftykins> the guy i quoted is in New Zealand with really bad data caps btw, so Steam download isn't an option
[11:59] <awilkins> "Beer sold separately"
[11:59] <awilkins> Yet another case of an appliance costing less than it's liquid consumables
[12:00] <popey> they're usually over 100 quid
[12:15] * awilkins pastes link to hackspace
[13:02] <diddledan> morning
[13:04] * zmoylan-pi taps diddledan to see if his internal clock has stopped...
[13:04] <diddledan> morning
[13:04] <daftykins> heya
[13:04] * awilkins checks timezone config on diddlebot
[13:05] <daftykins> diddledan: you ought to convert to standard living hours, it's getting warm outside! :D
[13:05] <diddledan> teehee
[13:05] <diddledan> but. sunlight is bad for my complexion
[13:07] <daftykins> you sir, have been misled
[13:07] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/922345933/codebug looks like a fun thing
[13:09] <diddledan> it looks like the bbc micro bit
[13:09] <diplo> Looks like I'm up in Nottingham next week :/
[13:10] <diddledan> I might back it tho
[13:10] <diddledan> specifically because they're gonna make the desin creative-commons
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> that is more interesting to me than a smart watch. small, cheap, and you could technically use the leds as a display
[13:13] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: make it into a smart watch :-p
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> exactly. bulky but probably a better battery life than an apple watch :-)
[13:15] <davmor2> diplo: I think MooDoo is up that way
[13:18] <awilkins> It is totally completely a rip-off of the BBC micro bit though
[13:18] <awilkins> Same board layout, same 5x5 LED array
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> is the bbc micro bit going to be for sale to the public?
[13:19] <awilkins> Different components
[13:19] <awilkins> No, the BBCMB is only being issued to schoolchildren
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> then it's not really affecting the bbcmb
[13:19] <awilkins> Which seems ludicrously silly, but there you go - why not benefit from the economies of scale AND make a small profit from licensing the thing...
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> and the hacker community of adults will make a zillion great projects that might encourage kids
[13:20] <awilkins> I'd lay small odds that the Kickstarter has been created by the guys they commissioned to make the BBC one
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> instead of a dull school led curriculum
[13:20] <awilkins> Probably
[13:20] <awilkins> I'm all for it - my license fee paid for it, the public should benefit!
[13:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:30] <diddledan> tesco blinkbox are being awesome giving me at least one 25% or 50% discount every month since I signed up
[13:32] <diddledan> and googley play-doh just emailed me letting me know that startwarts is available for preorder (the entire saga)
[13:32] <diddledan> £59 for the lot
[13:33] <diddledan> released tomorrow it seems
[13:33] <awilkins> That's not Star Wars. That's just a bunch of movies that resemble Star Wars
[13:33] <diddledan> awilkins: are you upset that they redid the effects?
[13:34] <awilkins> diddledan, Don't mind the effects (except where the make mistakes like making Luke's lightsabre pink in some editions)
[13:34] <awilkins> diddledan, I do mind things like the Han Shoots First scene
[13:34] <diddledan> aah yes
[13:34] <awilkins> And the scene where Han walks behind Jabba
[13:35] <diddledan> han shoots first was a stinker
[13:35] <awilkins> The notion that you could disrespect a local crime lord by walking on his tail and live is nutsen, to coin a phrase
[13:35] <bigcalm> I have a hosted server running Ubuntu 12.04. For reasons, I have edited /etc/apache2/ports.conf to use 8080 and 1443 instead of 80 and 443. On the localhost, I am able to telnet to ports 8080 and 1433 and get the expected Aapche response. Connecting from a machine on the same subnet using the private IP address causes the connections to timeout. Connections also timeout when using the public ip address over the internet. Is there an
[13:35] <bigcalm> ything other than the hosting company's firewall that might be causing this timout?
[13:36] <awilkins> The Greedo scene really set the tone of Han's character for me - it's the scene I remember having the biggest emotional impact as a kid seeing it for the first time
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: but who shot first?
[13:36] <bigcalm> Han did
[13:36] <knightwi1e> so han is an A-hole ?
[13:36] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, That was the original release, on a stuttery VHS cassette in a school assembly hall :-)
[13:36] <bigcalm> He is an arse hole, that scene sets his character
[13:37] <awilkins> Exactly - tells you exactly what you need to know, that he doesn't pull his punches and can't be trusted
[13:37] <diddledan> it's that which lends to his character development into reluctant hero
[13:37] <bigcalm> When Han is lowered into the carbonite freezing chamber and Leia says "I love you", his response is "I know". Another dick move
[13:38] <awilkins> The recut scene just tells you that Jabba hires *really* incompetent bounty hunters with unfortunate nervous tics that lead them to shoot walls 5 feet away from their target.
[13:40] <awilkins> Suspect the reason George changed it was because his grandkids had a negative reaction to it. You're *supposed* to have a negative reaction to it, George. You're *supposed* to go "whoa, that guys is kinda nasty"
[13:40] <diplo> bigcalm: nmap'd the external IP address, see whats listening?
[13:40] <knightwi1e> I only watch the VHS versions
[13:40] <diplo> Sounds like firewall rules to me ?
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> i hope you remember to rewind afterwards... even the avi ripped version of the vhs copy...
[13:41] <knightwi1e> LOL
[13:41] <diddledan> awilkins: how many recuts does it take to make a great movie into a piece of trash and then finally into a great movie again? (see: blade runner, which is on it's 4th? 5th? recut and hasn't made it back to great yet)
[13:42] <awilkins> diddledan, Not sure that continued recuts can ever get it back there... (the Blade Runner for me is the 1st Directors Edition without the voiceovers)
[13:42] <diddledan> yeah the first directors was the version I enjoyed the most
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> aliens has 1-2 cuts, i like the version with the sentry guns
[13:43] <diddledan> you can't beat the music to blade runner tho
[13:43] <awilkins> Yup, sentryguns 4tw
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> well vangelis... any movie his music is in is special
[13:43] <awilkins> And Vangelis is still a regular visitor to my playlist
[13:44] <diddledan> I think the tone of the blade runner movie exteriours with the music shows a really interesting view of "the potential future"
[13:45] <bigcalm> diplo: it's been passed back to the hosting company to look into
[13:45] <diddledan> and the fact it's always raining
[13:45] <knightwi1e> i think its one of the greatest soundtracks only
[13:45] <knightwi1e> and i love the atmosphere in that movie
[13:45] <awilkins> Wonder how horrible the sequel will be
[13:45] <diddledan> bigcalm: did you tell it to stop listening on non-localhost?
[13:46] <diddledan> bigcalm: you mentioned you tweaked the ports for localhost, so I assumed that meant you removed the ports for external
[13:46] <bigcalm> diddledan: I didn't change what it was listening on. The system was previously serving correctly on ports 80 and 443. I just changed them to be 8080 and 1433
[13:46] <diddledan> hmm
[13:46] <bigcalm> No, only localhost was able to connect to 8080 and 1433.
[14:17] <intrbiz> bigcalm: does the apache box have a local firewall, maybe try: ufw status ?
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> maybe it's only listening on 127.0.0.1 and.or ::1
[14:18] <intrbiz> netstat -nltp will show whats listening on what interfaces
[14:18] <bigcalm> root@GRU01HES01TEST:~# ufw status
[14:18] <bigcalm> Status: inactive
[14:19] <intrbiz> IIRC apache by default binds to all interfaces
[14:19] <bigcalm> That would explain why I couldn't find a setting binding it to an interface or ip address
[14:20] <bigcalm> root@GRU01HES01TEST:~# netstat -nltp | grep apache2
[14:20] <bigcalm> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1443 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2161/apache2
[14:20] <bigcalm> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2161/apache2
[14:20] <intrbiz> bigcalm: that listening on all interfaces
[14:20] <bigcalm> Indeed
[14:20] <intrbiz> bigcalm: probably hosting ACLs, did you say your seeing the issues server to server on same subnet?
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: iptables -L INPUT
[14:21] <bigcalm> intrbiz: correct
[14:21] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: no rules returned
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: telnet -b your.ip your.ip 1443
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> (yes that's your IP twice)
[14:23] <bigcalm> Which IP?
[14:24] <Myrtti> I do hate Paypal quite a bit
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> has anyone ever expressed happiness towards paypal?
[14:27] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to get Ruby to play nicely in Ubuntu?
[14:27] <intrbiz> bigcalm: define play nicely?
[14:27] <bigcalm> Or rather install Jekyll
[14:28] <bigcalm> It's erroring on "execjs requires Ruby version >= 2.0.0."
[14:28] <bigcalm> Humm, ruby2.0 is available as a package on Ubuntu 14.04
[14:30] <intrbiz> bigcalm: are you installing jekyll via gem (or whatever it is)
[14:30] <bigcalm> Yes
[14:32] <bigcalm> Ha, there is a jekyll package in Ubuntu 14.04
[14:33] * bigcalm goes with that
[14:33] <bigcalm> Jekyll 0.11.2 now installed
[14:37] <Lemongrab-> directhex, res working now, thanks again for the help
[14:38] <directhex> jekyll <2.0 is basically garbage
[14:38] <directhex> and installing newer in 14.04 is so painful
[14:38] <directhex> so totes painful
[14:39] <Lemongrab-> anyone know where i can see logs from openbox's autostart.sh? steam is loading fine but sixad --start isn't
[14:39] <Lemongrab-> even though sixad --start runs fine from terminal
[14:40] <Lemongrab-> oh wait, i just worked it out, sixad needs to be root, nevermind
[14:54] <bigcalm> Are there good alternatives to jekyll? Requirement is to build a static site from markdown files
[14:56] <Lemongrab-> anyone know if it's possible to switch desktop in openbox when certain fullscreen games wrest control of the screen until minimised?
[14:59] <Lemongrab-> i'm actually guessing this is to do with the card wresting the screen and probably isn't possible, but thought i'd ask
[15:03] <daftykins> between virtual desktops?
[15:04] <Lemongrab-> daftykins, yup
[15:05] <daftykins> doesn't seem likely, but i'm no desktop user
[15:06] <mappps> ;D
[15:06] <Lemongrab-> daftykins, you mean you don't even use a gui? :P
[15:06] <daftykins> i do not use desktop Linux
[15:06] <mappps> im a card collector! got like 12 bank/credit card accounts O_O
[15:06] <mappps> cant remember the pin on all of course
[15:07] <Lemongrab-> ah, for a second i thought you were some radical terminal purist :)
[15:07] <mappps> i like xfce;]
[15:09] <daftykins> nah i wouldn't make such silly statements!
[15:19] <mappps> gonna have marinated shark tonight
[15:19] <mappps> ;D
[15:20] <daftykins> O_O
[15:20] <daftykins> tasty
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> comes with a free laser? :-)
[15:22] <mappps> ;D
[15:22] <mappps> well i wonder what its like
[15:22] <mappps> probably just like cod and a let down?:P
[15:22] <daftykins> do all basic BT broadband connections really intercept the web browsings of newly wired-network connected PCs 0o
[15:23] <daftykins> this friend just had to do some kind of hassle before browsing normally, very confusing
[15:26] <elfy> I never had to - but I've been with them a while, maybe the do you or do you not want pr0n thing?
[15:27] <daftykins> could well be
[15:28] <elfy> I did get asked that a while ago
[15:28] <daftykins> currently remoted into two PCs at a friends in England migrating their data to a new PC
[15:28] <daftykins> omw their existing is terrible, probably partly to do with Norton 360 O_O
[15:29] <elfy> heh
[15:29] <daftykins> also - why do people believe their online banking when it says to install Rapport? it's terrible!
[15:30] <daftykins> hmm a good 6Mb down, not bad for a rural place
[15:31] <zmoylan-pi> how 'rural' is rural?
[15:31] <daftykins> best i know about where she is is 'somewhere near Worcester'
[15:31] <daftykins> so your guess is better than mine ;D
[15:31] <elfy> not very I'd guess at 6Mb :)
[15:31] <intrbiz> I get about 7Mb, in a rural area
[15:32] <intrbiz> by rural, I mean 6 miles out of Wolverhampton centre
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> my brothers place is in the barren wastelands of wexford and most times i'm there i can't even see a 3g signal during the day
[15:32] <intrbiz> I get no 3G on any network
[15:32] <daftykins> i'm in a granite place in the town centre, i use 2G by choice :D
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> but at night the 3g appears as conditions improve
[15:33] <daftykins> such are the ways of QAM
[15:33] <intrbiz> well I get one bar on three, standing on one leg by one particular window
[15:33] <daftykins> intrbiz: :D
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> so i told him to ring phone company once a month and ask for broadband. took about 18 months till adsl was installed in his local exchange :-)
[15:34] <elfy> when I lived in Fordingbridge - signal only when bouncing on a bed and then only half the time
[15:34] <intrbiz> we were meant to have FTTC in december, then april, now june
[15:34] <zmoylan-pi> and on dialup he used to only get 28kbs as his line was on a dax unit with neighbours
[15:34] <intrbiz> I have seen BT vans with reels of cable, so something seems to be happening
[15:35] <elfy> they did here, I get 38Mb down now
[15:36] <daftykins> single pair split into two lines with some gadget, zmoylan-pi ?
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> yup
[15:36] <daftykins> how horrid
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> the irish phone companies only say that your dial up line will do voice and fax. fax works in 19,200 iirc
[15:38] <diddledan> is there a tool like speedtest.net (or the cli prog that uses those servers) which will measure parallel downloads and uploads rather than single-connection?
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> bittorrent? :-P
[15:39] <daftykins> why would you be doing that...
[15:39] <daftykins> eww it's a BT Home Hub 4
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> is that the one that won't let you change dns server?
[15:40] <diddledan> because I want to show off that my connection is about 230Mbps down and 30Mbps up
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> show off!
[15:40] <daftykins> aww i can't even look because the 'settings' page is locked by a password that's printed on the physical device
[15:40] <diddledan> (1*virgin 152Mbps/10Mbps + 1*sky 78Mbps/20Mbps :-p)
[15:41] <diddledan> daftykins: you need to change that password to something more memorablethen :-p
[15:41] <daftykins> it's a house in England! not mine :P
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> send in the drone to read the password! \o/
[15:42] * daftykins activates webcam
[15:42] <daftykins> ;D
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of pi2 based skutter... :-)
[15:43] <diddledan> daftykins: remember covering the camera with your hand doesn't turn off the microphone (as bruce & his willis found out)
[15:43] <daftykins> i'm quite amused at a home shared PC being upgraded from a small form factor Acer i3 first gen to an HP with 8GB RAM and an i7 4790
[15:43] <diddledan> 8GB is so passé
[15:44] <diddledan> I want 32
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> what you want is a sound proof jamjar with one of those christmas cards that plays 30 christmas carols feeding into the mic :-)
[15:44] <daftykins> that's what my 7 year old core 2 quad has \o/ lovely DDR2
[15:44] <awilkins> Work laptop has 16GB
[15:44] <diddledan> this thing only has 4 :-(
[15:45] <diddledan> but it's ultra-portable so it kinda makes up for that deficiency in other ways
[15:45] <daftykins> sounds dangerously like a piece of fruit of the 'Air' variety?
[15:45] <diddledan> close, surface pro3
[15:46] <daftykins> oh that
[15:46] <diddledan> I like it
[15:46] <daftykins> shame you have to go in through the screen to upgrade :<
[15:47] <diddledan> right. toilet break then settle down to watch the amazon aws global summit keynote
[15:47] <diddledan> https://live.awsevents.com for anyone interested
[15:49] <diddledan> oh, they'vepushed-it by 30 minutes, it's 1730 then
[16:58] <diddledan> so this live stream of aws global summit is evil laggy
[16:58] <diddledan> I donno whether it's me or them tho
[17:00] <elfy> laggy
[17:01] <diddledan> yeah, it seems the twitters are moaning about it
[17:02] <diddledan> one twatted "BaaS (Buffering as a service) on the AWS Summit live stream"
[17:06] <diddledan> it's completely dead now
[17:24] <diddledan> don't you love how amazon are boasting their supremacy at super-big things on a stream that doesn't work. at all.
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> well the cloud... in this weather... :-)
[17:25] * zmoylan-pi sends out for ice cream...
[17:26] <zmoylan-pi> ♫ just one cornetto... ♪
[17:27] <popey> ✓ Unicode
[17:28] <diddledan> the aws summits twitter says the stream is working. they're lying
[17:28] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: give it to me!
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> on second thoughts they're 50p....
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> at least they used to be
[17:34] <daftykins> be lucky to get change from a £5 note now :P
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland? you'd be right there :-)
[17:35] <daftykins> ;)
[17:35] <daftykins> a Guernsey £5 note no less
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> ah... funny money... :-)
[17:36] <daftykins> aww yes
[19:53] <davmor2> popey: I think I found my new most favourite place to eat in wolverhampton http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz_photos/greedy-pig-cafe-wolverhampton?select=thplx_sv7KQx6nhgbG3BKg#thplx_sv7KQx6nhgbG3BKg
[19:55] <popey> wowzers
[19:56] <davmor2> popey: you can feel your arteries harden looking at it right :D
[19:57] <davmor2> popey: the things you find on the nearby scope hey
[19:58] <popey> hah
[20:03] <diddledan> that looks like a great fryup
[20:04] <diddledan> I WANT IT!
[20:13] <diddledan> heh:http://www.instructables.com/id/Apple-II-Watch
[20:22] <m0nkey_> make it
[20:31] <StevenR> hmmm. what happened to the alternate cd? (I need to help my dad assemble a raid, mount his LVM and find all of the kernels because grub is in rescue mode and /boot appears to be entirely empty
[20:32] <StevenR> he's running 14.04 and updated today
[20:33] <popey> can you not use a live cd?
[20:34] <StevenR> I'd prefer to boot his working system
[20:34] <StevenR> because it'll run a VPN up and I can ssh to a vm
[20:35] <popey> why do you need the alternate cd?
[20:35] <StevenR> popey: because that was the way to do it
[20:36] <StevenR> can that be done from the normal server cd these days?
[20:36] <popey> yeah. you can.
[20:36] <popey> the server cd is a debian-installer based one
[20:37] <StevenR> ok. I'll get him to grab that. Thanks
[20:37] <popey> np
[20:41] <diddledan> me ungy
[20:42] * diddledan wanders off to make a sammich
[21:26] <diddledan> lol @ news widget: "labour takes lead in some polls as milliband announces tax avoidance"
[21:30] <daftykins> RAID is so much saner when you keep boot out of it ;)
[21:36] <diddledan> you could plop raid onto a mirror rather than a stripe (if we're talking linux's mdraid)
[21:36] <diddledan> s/raid/boot/
[22:28] <StevenR> right. So something happened to /boot. It now mounts, but it's completely empty apart from lost and found
[22:28] <StevenR> How do I restore it?
[22:45] <diddledan> StevenR: it's a three-step process - first you need to get a kernel by reinstalling the appropriate package from apt, then you need to run grub-install and update-grub
[22:46] <StevenR> thanks. We need to fix apt first it seems (dad is sending me a photo)
[22:46] <diddledan> eww
[22:47] <StevenR> yeah. Something bad happened
[22:48] <StevenR> yay. Apt segfaults
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-de | [08:45] <koelner> Hallo. Ich versuche mit rsync ( via webdav ) eine Datensicherung zu machen. Die Uploadgeschwindigkeit ist mehr als unterirdisch. Ist das Normal?
[08:46] <sash_> Ja, ziemlich.
[08:46] <sash_> Also, erstens ist webdav nicht unbedingt performant, außerdem lassen sich da nicht viele weitere Aussagen zu treffen, wenn man nicht weiß, wohin du hochlädst.
[08:47] <dadrc> ethernet over cat3
[08:47] <koelner> Telekom Mediencenter
[08:48] <sash_> koelner: Also von dir zuhause über ADSL irgendwo hin?
[08:49] <koelner> sash_: Ja mit VDSL50
[08:49] <sash_> Und wie langsam ist das? Hast du keine Alternative ala sftp/ssh/irgendwas?
[08:50] <sash_> koelner: Ansonsten vielleicht noch http://superuser.com/questions/192792/rsync-to-webdav-mounted-volume-very-slow ?
[08:50] <kubine> sash_: Title: mac - RSync to WebDAV mounted volume very slow - Super User (at superuser.com)
[08:51] <koelner> sash_: Das schnellste waren ca 30Kbs. SSH ist, soviel ich weis, nicht möglich
[09:09] <koelner> dadrc: Was meinst Du mit "ethernet over cat3"?
[09:10] <dadrc> schon gut
[09:46] <Anf> Guten Tag, hab mal eine kleine Frage, wen ich Ubuntu installiere, mach ich ja eine Swap Partition, eine /Home Partition und eine System Partition, jetzt hab ich mir einen NAS zugelegt und möchte alle Daten auf den NAS haben, somit brauch ich die /Home Partition nicht mehr, wen ich jetzt Ubuntu Neue Installiere, ohne der /Home Partition, wo werden die Daten im Home Ordnern gespeichert?
[09:48] <k1l> im home ordner: /home
[09:48] <k1l> willst du deine daten denn sichern auf dem nas oder willst du das ubuntu auf dem nas laufen lassen?
[09:51] <Anf> Nein, alle Daten werden auf dem NAS gespeichert, somiz brauch ich ja die /Home Partition jetzt nicht mehr, aber wen ich Ubuntu Neu Installiere und die 7Home Partition nicht erstelle, wo werden die Datein gespeuchert, die z.B in dem Ordner Downloads sein werden, oder die im Ordner Bilder sein werden?
[09:51] <dadrc> Du brauchst auch mit NAS ein /home
[09:51] <dadrc> Somit stellt sich die Frage nicht.
[09:52] <k1l> d.h. du hast dein /home ordner als netwerkordner eingebunden?
[09:52] <Anf> Wen ich die /Home Patrition erstelle, werden da doch die Daten auf den Ordnern wie Bilder Videos Musik und Downloads gespeichert
[09:52] <koegs> du machst einfach /home nicht als eigene Partition, sondern als Unterordner von /
[09:52] <k1l> Anf: und "/home" ist einfach nur eine ordner angabe. nämlich der ordner "home" auf der "/"ebene. man macht das meistens nur als eigene partition. wenn man das nicht macht ist das einfach auf der /partition inkludiert
[09:54] <geser> /home muss keine Partition sein, sondern kann auch ein NFS/SMB-Mount vom NAS sein. Hauptsache die Daten sind verfügbar, wenn der Benutzer sich anmelden möchte
[09:56] <Anf> Das heißt, ich kann den /Home Verzeichnis gleich mit den NAS einbinden, so das die Datein die auf dem NAS sind in den Ordner wie Bilder Videos und Downloads angezeigt werder, oder ich mach nur / , wo meine Datein die in den Ordnern Bilder Musik Download einfach in die gleiche Partition gespeichert werden, wo auch das system von Ubuntu ist
[10:00] <Anf> Ich will nicht, das die Datein die auf dem NAS sind in den Ordnern wie Videos Download bei Ubuntu angezeigt werden, ich möchte das bei Ubuntu nur der NAS Server angezeigt wird auf den ich da zugreifen kann, und die Ordner in Ubuntu wie Bilder Downloads usw. das die Ordner in der gleichen Partition wie das Ubuntu zusammen sind, halt wie früher bei Windows, das die Ordner Bilder Downloads usw. in der C Partition gespeichert werden
[10:02] <geser> wenn du keine eigene Partition für /home anlegst, dann ist /home nur ein Unterorder von / (also auf der Systempartition)
[10:04] <Anf> Alles klar, das wollte ich wissen, vielen Dank
[10:18] <Anf> Ich wollte es eigendlich so machen, das ich mir eine 250gb SSd einbaue in den Rechner und einen NAS mit HDD aufstelle, aber jetzt sehe ich, das Ubuntu mit den Programmen nicht wirklich viel Platz braucht, somit müsste auch eine 120GB SDD für Ubuntu und die Programme ausreichen, was glaubt Ihr
[10:19] <Anf> Also die 120GB sind dan nur für das Ubuntu und die Programme, die Privaten Daten werden ja auf dem NAS sein, reicht dafür eine 120GB SSD?
[10:19] <k1l> also ein ubuntu mit paar programmen passt locker auf eine 20gb partition.
[10:19] <k1l> die userdaten sind das was platz kosten. also bilder, musik, und so kram
[10:20] <Anf> Klar, und die werden ja auf dem NAS sein :) schade das es jetzt keine 20GB SSD's gibt :)
[10:21] <k1l> du weißt aber schon, dass das dann das system langsamer macht?
[10:22] <Anf> Was macht das system Langsamer, die SSD oder die 20GB SSD
[10:23] <k1l> nicht die ssd. sondern, dass du das /home per netzwerk einbinden willst
[10:23] <Anf> Achso der NAS, weil man dan nicht sofort auf die Daten zugreifen kann, meinst Du das?
[10:23] <k1l> latenzen halt
[10:24] <Anf> Nein, den /Home Ordner mach ich garnicht, den lass ich über / laufen, so das die daten in den Ordnern Bilder Videos Musik wie Ubuntu auf / gespeichert werden
[10:24] <k1l> ja was denn jetzt?
[10:25] <k1l> du kannst auch auf einer ssd das ganz normal mit / und /home partition aufbauen. das hat ssd oder nicht gar nichts zu tun
[10:25] <Anf> Ich binde den NAS auf Ubuntu als einen NAS Server und nicht als /Home ein
[10:26] <k1l> eben meinest du du wolltest den /home ordner von einem NAS einbinden. und davon habe ich gepsrochen
[10:26] <k1l> also reiner nfs/samba share
[10:26] <Anf> So das die Daten, die in den Ordnern Bilder Videos usw. sind wie Ubuntu auf der gleichen Partition sind, also auf der SSD
[10:26] <k1l> Anf: entweder drückst du dich falsch aus oder du verwechselst da alles mögliche
[10:26] <Anf> wieso samba ich mach doch nichts mit Windows
[10:27] <Anf> bin grad auch der meinung
[10:28] <Anf> Ich baue einen NAS auf von Synology auf, den ich bin Ubuntu als normalen NAs Server einrichte, und Ubuntu installiere ich auf die 120GB SSD wo auch die /Home Dateien sein werden wie Bilder Musik usw.
[10:29] <Anf> Das meine ich, was soll da das system den langsam machen, wie hast Du es den verstanden?
[10:29] <k1l> 1. warum nimmst du denn nicht / und /home partition?
[10:32] <k1l> 2. wie und wohin genau willst du deine daten vom nas dann einbinden oder einfach nur bei bedarf auf den share zugreifen?
[10:32] <Anf> weil ich meine daten ja eh auf dem NAS haben werde, somit bleiben die ganzen /Home Ordner wie Bilder Musik usw. doch leer
[10:33] <Anf> Ich binde den NAS als normalen Server bei Ubuntu ein, und wen ich Sie dan brauche kann ich ja darauf zugreifen, oder nicht, das ich doch dan ein NAS, oder wie kann man es noch anders machen?
[10:33] <k1l> im /home sind ja nicht nur die ganzen bilder und so sondern auch die ganzen einstellungen der user gespeichert. (die .folders). wenn du neu installieren musst kannst du die so beibehalten wenn du eine extra /home partition hast.
[10:34] <k1l> "als normalen server"
[10:34] <Anf> Wie hättest Du es den gemacht, weil ich kann mir nichts anderes vorstellen, wie es noch zu machen ist?
[10:34] <k1l> kannst du das "als normalen server" mal definieren? welchen dienst, welches protokoll, mounten? wenn ja wohin?
[10:35] <k1l> ich frage dich, welches auto du kaufen willst und du antwortest immer nur: "ein blaues"
[10:35] <Anf> ok, wusste nicht, das in /Home die einstellungen sind, das ist eine /Home Partition bei Neuinstallation ein sehr großer vorteil, das stimmt, wusste ich nicht
[10:36] <Anf> ok
[10:38] <Anf> Ich hab Mir einen Synology NAs vorgestellt mit 5 HDD davon laufen 2 HDD's in Raid 1 und die 5 HDD als Backup oder so, also ein Synology als NAS einfach zum Datenablage und als Backup mit Raid oder als nur normalen Backup, Dienste eigendlich keine, wielleicht noch mit einer eigenen Domain einen E-mail Server starten, und Online zugang auf den NAs Server, aber mehr auch nicht
[10:40] <k1l> ok. ich glaube du startest am besten mit einem normalen install von ubuntu mit / und /home partitionen. und auf deinem nas lässt du die daten dann als nfs oder samba share anbieten. das kannst du dann bei deinem ubuntu einbinden.
[10:41] <k1l> alles andere ist erstmal eine nummer zu groß für dich. gerade das mit dem email. das solltest du dann angehen wenn du dich da mehr eingearbeitet hast
[10:42] <Anf> klar, so hatte ich es auch vor, das mit der E-mail kommt auch zum schluss
[10:42] <Anf> Also das mit der 120GB SSD und installation von Ubuntu mit / und /Home ist schon mal gut?
[10:49] <Anf> Kann man es noch bisschen besser machen, oder geht das, was ich mir da vorgenommen habe? Oder kann man da noch was besser machen, größere SSD oder zwei SSD in den Rechner mit Spiegelund, damit das system auch im Raid läuft als Backup, hab aber gehört das es das System sehr langsam machen soll, wen man die Haupt Festplatte im Spiegel hat wi das System drauf ist, Gibts noch vielleicht verbesserungs Tipps?
[11:00] <Anf> k1l ?
[11:15] <tmebis> Anf, ich denke die Performance eines Raid1 mit 2 SSDs ist durchaus vertretbar. Habe auch einen kleinen Server mit einem Software Raid1 und SATA 6Gbit Platten drin. Der Flaschenhals ist da weniger das System sondern die Gigabit Netzwerkanbindung
[11:19] <LetoThe2nd> ich weise nur mal kurz am rande drauf hin, dass hier RAID und BACKUP in einem atemzug genannt werden - was grundlegend falsch ist, da sie nichts miteinander zu tun haben. da am besten auch noch etwas gehirnschmalz reinstecken, bevors zu spät ist. :)
[11:54] <Anf> Was könnt Ihr mir den raten, an Tipps usw. oder ist die Idee die ich vorhabe Gut, mit einer 120GB SSD wo Ubuntu drauf ist und einem NAS Server für die Daten wo die Festplatten im Raid laufen auf dem Server, oder kann man es noch mehr verbessern, oder kann man was besser machen?
[11:56] <LetoThe2nd> zum thema "was"?
[11:58] <Anf> Die ganze Idee, ob man da noch was besser machen kann, reichen 120gb für Ubuntu und programme lohnen sich zwei 120gb SSD's im Raid für Ubuntu welchen Synology NAs kann man empfehlen usw.
[11:58] <LetoThe2nd> a) synology kaufberatung machen wir hier eigentlich nicht
[11:58] <LetoThe2nd> b) was erhoffst du vom "raid"
[11:59] <LetoThe2nd> c) wo sind die backups.
[12:00] <Anf> Synology NAS mit 5HHD's 2 HHD laufen im Raid 1 als erstes wegen Datenverlust und auf der 5 HHD sind die ganzen Backups so in etwa
[12:01] <Anf> Egal was ich vorschlage, es kommt immer was erhoffst Du dir von dem und dem usw. sagt doch gleich am besten, wie Ihr das machen würdet.
[12:01] <LetoThe2nd> raid 1 wegen datenverlust ist nonsens. ein raid hilft bei performance- und/oder uptime-problemen. mit datensicherheit respektive "schutz vor datenverlust" hat ein raid exakt gar nix zu tun.
[12:01] <LetoThe2nd> Anf: gut, dann sehr direkt: mach dir als aller erstes ne sinnvolle *BACKUP*-strategie.
[12:02] <Anf> z.B
[12:02] <LetoThe2nd> wenn du damit fertig bist und immer noch geld übrig hast, kannst du über raids nachdenken,.
[12:02] <LetoThe2nd> z.b. 3 getrennte platten in zeitlichen abständen resychronisieren und vom system trennen, getrennt lagern etx.
[12:02] <LetoThe2nd> ich kenn ja deine anforderungen nicht
[12:04] <Anf> ok, ich möchte eine 120gb SSD im Rechner für Ubuntu und die ganzen Programme einen kleinen NAS für meine Daten mamit ich von meheren geräten auf die Daten zugreifen kann und eine Backup Strategie, kann man die Backup Strategie mit dem Nas lösen
[12:04] <LetoThe2nd> brauchst du backups mit verlaufshistorie, oder nicht? wie weit willst zu zurückspulen können? wie stark willst du abgesichert sein (e.g., wie viele komplett unabhängige sätze brauchst du.)
[12:04] <LetoThe2nd> Anf: was soll denn das nas mit den backups zu tun haben?
[12:05] <LetoThe2nd> Anf: deswegen ist ein raid auch kein backup. wenn ich auf nem raid ein "rm" eintippe, dann wird das ausgeführt. egal welcher level, egal wie viele platten. und dann sind die daten weg.
[12:05] <LetoThe2nd> Anf: deswegen: ein backup muss aktiv gepflegt und dann sicher verwahrt werden.
[12:05] <LetoThe2nd> Anf: werde dir darüber klar, was du brauchst.
[12:06] <LetoThe2nd> der rest ergibt sich dann.
[12:08] <LetoThe2nd> denn ohne hier basisarbeit zu leisten kannst du dir ne simple billig-netzwerkplatte kaufen und alle drauf zugreifen lassen. die raids bringen dir nämlich exakt *NIX*
[12:09] <Anf> klar, ich hab gemeint, das ich zwei HDD's im NAS habe wo meine Daten sind jetzt ohne Raid und z.B zwei HDD's wo meine Backups sind das meinte ich, ob man die Backup Strategie mit dem NAS lösen kann
[12:09] <Anf> ok, logisch
[12:10] <LetoThe2nd> ein backup, das in irgendeiner art und weise elektrisch mit irgendeinem leitenden gegenstand verbunden ist, verdient den namen nicht.
[12:10] <LetoThe2nd> noch weniger, wenns dauernd online in nem NAS oder ähnliches ist.
[12:10] <LetoThe2nd> du kannst natürlich dein nas als datenhalde verwenden, und dann *DAVON* regelmässig backups ziehen und in den schrank stellen.
[12:11] <LetoThe2nd> aber wenn du dann kein geld mehr für ne ernsthafte anzahl an backupmedien hast, ist jede art von raid oder ssd rausgeschmissenes geld
[12:11] <Anf> ok, wen ich jetzt eine 120GB SSD im Rechner habe und darauf Ubuntu mit den Progs laufen und ich einen kleinen Synology NAS habe, wo ein paar HDD's laufen wo meine Daten sind, wie kann ich in das System jetzt das mit dem Backups lösen, wie funktioniert am besten ein Backup kann man es mit dem NAS Server lösen, ohne ein weiters gerät zu brauchen oder so
[12:11] <LetoThe2nd> *sigh*
[12:12] <LetoThe2nd> du hörst mir nicht zu.
[12:12] <LetoThe2nd> "backup auf nas" == "kein backup"
[12:12] <Anf> ich hab dein text davor noch nicht gelesen
[12:12] <LetoThe2nd> 1) irgendein depp löscht daten auf dem nas. alles weg.
[12:12] <Anf> :) jetzt ist alles klar
[12:12] <LetoThe2nd> 2) irgendeindepp demoliert dein nas. alles weg.
[12:14] <LetoThe2nd> 3) irgendne überspannung brutzelt dein nas durch
[12:14] <LetoThe2nd> -> alles weg
[12:14] <Anf> klar, ich hab nur gedacht man kann eine HDD in den NAS einbauen, wo dan die Backups sind, aber das diese HDD nicht online ist oder im Netzwer das nur ich darauf zugreifen kann wen ich Backups mache
[12:14] <LetoThe2nd> "nur ich drauf zugreifen kann" == "kein backup"
[12:14] <LetoThe2nd> wenn die platte eingesteckt ist, zählt sie nicht.
[12:16] <LetoThe2nd> deswegen sag ich ja schon die ganze zeit: werde dir als aller-, allererstes klar drüber gegen was du dich wappnen willst.
[12:16] <LetoThe2nd> dann kann man über den rest reden.
[12:16] <Anf> ok, wie kann man dan z.B ein Gute Strategie für ein Backup lösen, alles was ich vorschlage an Ideen ist deiner Meinung Falsch, was auch richtig ist, wen man logisch nachdenkt, aber wie kann man es jetzt z.B lösen das mit den Backups
[12:16] <LetoThe2nd> "das lösen"
[12:17] <LetoThe2nd> wie gesagt, du schaffst es ja nicht mal deine anforderungen zu formulieren.
[12:17] <LetoThe2nd> 14:04 < LetoThe2nd> brauchst du backups mit verlaufshistorie, oder nicht? wie weit willst zu zurückspulen können? wie stark willst du abgesichert sein (e.g., wie viele komplett unabhängige sätze brauchst du.)
[12:17] <LetoThe2nd> wie soll ich dir jetzt also sagen was du tun sollst?
[12:18] <Anf> wie kann man den Backups zurückspulen, ich kenne so was nicht
[12:18] <LetoThe2nd> vielleicht solltest du langsam mal etwas basiswissen aufbauen?
[12:18] <LetoThe2nd> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Datensicherung
[12:18] <kubine> LetoThe2nd: Title: Datensicherung › Wiki › ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)
[12:18] <Anf> Von dem System brauch ich kein Backup ich brauch nur ein Backup von meinen Daten, deswegen hab ich an Raud 1 gedacht, aber das ist schlecht, welche alternativen gibt es noch
[12:19] <LetoThe2nd> es ist von meiner seite langsam echt alles gesagt
[12:19] <LetoThe2nd> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datensicherung
[12:19] <kubine> LetoThe2nd: Title: Datensicherung – Wikipedia (at de.wikipedia.org)
[12:19] <LetoThe2nd> http://www.grundlagen-computer.de/backup/backup-strategien-inkrementell-differentiell-und-vollbackup
[12:20] <LetoThe2nd> http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Artikel/Print-Artikel/LinuxUser/2013/04/Grundlagen-der-Datensicherung
[12:20] <Anf> ok, wir haben ja fast alles gelöst, ich bau mir eine 120gb SSD in den Rechner für das System und die Progs und hab einen kleinen NAS für meine Daten zum Streamen usw. jetzt brauch ich noch eine lösung für das Backup meiner daten im NAS, wie und welche moglichkeiten hab ich, das zu tun?
[12:20] <LetoThe2nd> diese themen sind so gut dokumentiert, ich muss gestehen ich sehe mich da nicht in der pflicht das nochmal durchzukauen.
[12:24] <Anf> ok, du meintest, was auch richtig ist, das ein NAS kein Backups ist wei Online usw. von alles zugänglich usw. aber was verstehst Du jetzt von einer Guten Backup Strategie, eine weitere 4TB festplatte, die ich im Keller verstecke und 1mal im Jahr mein Backup rüberziehe, oder wie meinst Du das mit einer Guten Backup strategie
[12:24] <koegs> Anf: hier ist ubuntu-support, nicht "ich frag seit wochen wie ein backup funktioniert" :(
[12:25] <Anf> ok, wieso wird mir dan gesagt, das meine Idee schlecht ist, was auch richtig ist, aber nie gesagt wird, wie man es richtig lösen kann?
[12:25] <LetoThe2nd> Anf: wie gesagt, dieses dinge sind so vollumfänglich online dokumentiert, dass ich hier keine lust verspüre das weiter zu verfolgen.
[12:26] <LetoThe2nd> Anf: der wikipedia-artikel erklärt sogar ausdrück wie backupstrategien funktionieren.
[12:26] <LetoThe2nd> Anf: ich werde daher jetzt erst einmal nichts mehr sagen, bis eine frage kommt die offensichtlich in einer der genannten ressourcen beantwortet ist.
[12:26] <Anf> sag mir doch einfach ein beispiel, wie ich Backups von meinen Daten machen kann die auf dem NAS server sind, wie Du es z.B machen würdest, mehr brauch ich nicht
[12:27] <LetoThe2nd> kopier alles auf 5,25"-disketten.
[12:27] <LetoThe2nd> soory, aber wie gesagt: keine ausformulierten anforderungen und keine sinnhaften fragen -> keine antworten mehr.
[12:28] <LetoThe2nd> bis dann.
[12:28] <Anf> die ich dan extern anschließen kann für Backups und dan wieder in Keller verstauen kann, so in etwa?
[12:29] <Anf> Alles klar, jetzt weiß ich schon mal, wie und was ich mir ungefähr zulegen muss, weil ich will alles lösen und dan erst kaufen, nicht das ich mir ein NAS zulege und dan damit nichts anfangen kann, weil man die Daten aus dem NAS dan nicht Backupen kann, oder in etwa
[19:20] <fffelix> Hallo, ich will v4l-dvb modules installieren, wenn ich die linux headers installieren möchte (sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)) bekomme ich den Fehler "E: Für Paket »linux-headers-3.8.0-42-generic« existiert kein Installationskandidat."
[19:25] <mrkramps> fffelix, ggf. muss dafür die paketquelle für Quellcode freigeschaltet sein
[19:29] <mrkramps> fffelix, oder du solltest überhaupt eine ubuntu-version verwenden, deren paketquellen noch nicht abgeschaltet wurden
[19:29] <fffelix> mrkramps: daran kanns eigentlich nicht liegen, sind soweit richtig konfiguriert
[19:29] <mrkramps> fffelix, welche ubuntu-version?
[19:30] <fffelix> 14.04
[19:30] <mrkramps> da kommt das aber mit kernel 3.8 nicht hin … auf 14.04 sollte das mindestens 3.13 sein
[19:31] <fffelix> mrkramps: uname -r gibt mir 3.8.0-42-generic aus
[19:32] <mrkramps> hast du 14.04 frisch installiert oder über aktualisierung eingespielt?
[19:32] <fffelix> mrkramps: über aktualisierungen, von der vorherigen lts-version
[19:34] <fffelix> mrkramps: hm, warum wurden denn nicht neue kernel versionen installiert?
[19:34] <subz3r0> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade hatest du gemacht?
[19:34] <fffelix> Ich dachte bisher immer, dass er die installiert
[19:34] <subz3r0> ansonsten zeig uns mal deine sources.list
[19:34] <subz3r0> !pastebin
[19:34] <kubine> subz3r0: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten Nopaste-Service wie z.B. http://paste.ubuntu.com/ abgelegt werden. Nach dem Speichern kannst du dann die URL der Seite kopieren und sie statt des Textes hier im Channel posten.
[19:35] <mrkramps> hm, 3.8 war 13.04
[19:35] <subz3r0> 3.8 geht auch bei 14.04
[19:35] <subz3r0> die lts bekommen nun immer neue kernels
[19:35] <mrkramps> du meinst bei 12.04.4 oder was das war
[19:36] <fffelix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785184/
[19:36] <kubine> fffelix: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[19:36] <subz3r0> mrkramps: richtig
[19:36] <subz3r0> momentan keine zeit im wiki zu suchen... bin am kochen
[19:36] <mrkramps> fffelix, also die paketquellen für quellcode sind so oder so bei dir alle auskommentiert
[19:37] <mrkramps> aber die brauch man für die headers eh nicht, habe ich gerade gesehen
[19:37] <mrkramps> fffelix, du solltest dir allerdings mal den aktullen kernel installieren
[19:37] <fffelix> mrkramps: ja, würde ich gerne machen, bin etwas irritiert warum er das nicht gemacht hat
[19:38] <mrkramps> kann bei so einem release-upgrade mal vorkommen, behaupte ich eifach mal
[19:39] <subz3r0> apt-cache search linux-headers
[19:39] <subz3r0> spuckt er was aus?, wenn ja, was?
[19:39] <mrkramps> subz3r0, man findet keine headers für die 3.8 in den quellen von 14.04
[19:39] <fffelix> ja, letzte version 3.16.0-34
[19:40] <fffelix> Aber apt-get update && upgrade installiert da nix
[19:40] <mrkramps> fffelix, sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[19:40] <fffelix> Moment, starte den server gerade neu
[19:41] <fffelix> Danke euch schon mal, da wär ich jetzt nicht drauf gekommen, dass das Problem da liegt
[19:42] <mrkramps> ich wüsste zumindest nicht, dass die server edition eine andere kernel-version verwendet oO
[19:43] <fffelix> "linux-generic ist schon die neueste Version."
[19:43] <fffelix> meh
[19:44] <mrkramps> oO
[19:44] <fffelix> Ich schau mal, ob ich in der grub config was kaputt gepfuscht habe
[19:45] <subz3r0> sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-generic
[19:45] <subz3r0> nen versuch wert
[19:46] <fffelix> "linux-generic (3.13.0.49.56) wird eingerichtet ..."
[19:48] <mrkramps> das hört sich gut an
[19:48] <fffelix> Nach neustart sagt uname -r immernoch 3.8.0-42-generic
[19:49] <mrkramps> hast du manuell die grub.cfg bearbeitet?
[19:50] <subz3r0> ich würde wohl nun das metapaket für den 3.8er kernel deinstallieren
[19:50] <subz3r0> und schauen was passiert :>
[19:51] <fffelix> Sieht so aus. Ich hatte irgendwann mal in der grub config was geändert, weil er oftmals nach einem update in grub hängen geblieben ist und den autostart nicht mehr gemacht hat. Was bei nem Fileserver etwas unglücklich ist
[19:51] <fffelix> Aber das hab ich anscheinend maximal kaputt gemacht :)
[19:52] <mrkramps> fffelix, /etc/default/grub oder /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[19:52] <fffelix> Keine AHnung, was
[19:53] <fffelix> War ein template oder so dass er bei jedem grub config dann übernommen hatte
[19:53] <fffelix> War nicht in die grub.cfg
[19:53] <fffelix> War ein template für, wenn ich mich recht erinnere
[19:53] <mrkramps> ok, was sagt den ein grub update: sudo update-grub
[19:54] <fffelix> Haha "GRUB >= 2.00 has been unpacked but not yet configured."
[19:56] <mrkramps> hm, vielleicht mal zu sicher ein:$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[19:56] <mrkramps> *zur sicherheit
[19:58] <mrkramps> kann eine weile dauern, aber wer weiß, was da noch auf der strecke geblieben ist
[19:58] <fffelix> mrkramps: nee, hatte ich eben schon online gesehen, bringt aber nix
[20:00] <fffelix> Ich hatte /etc/grub.d/00_header mal bearbeitet, daran liegt das anscheinend
[20:07] <fffelix> Ok, das klappt überhaupt nicht. Die einfachste Variante ist wahrscheinlich, ubuntu installation auf nen stick schmeißen und grub neu zu installieren?
[20:08] <mrkramps> fffelix, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Reparatur
[20:08] <kubine> mrkramps: Title: Reparatur › GRUB 2 › Wiki › ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)
[20:12] <fffelix> Beim reinstall kommt jetzt "In der erzeugten GRUB-Konfigurationsdatei wurden Syntaxfehler entdeckt. Stellen Sie sicher, das die Dateien /etc/default/grub und /etc/grub.d/* fehlerfrei sind"
[20:12] <bekks> Wie sehen die denn aus, bei Dir?
[20:15] <fffelix> Die /etc/default/grub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785469/ , /etc/grub.d ist leer
[20:15] <kubine> fffelix: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:16] <bekks> Wenn /etc/grub.d/ leer ist, wird die Kiste nicht booten.
[20:16] <bekks> Da fehlen rund 10 Dateien.
[20:16] <fffelix> bekks: die irgendwo im nirvana sind. vorhin hatte ich noch die 00_headers überprüft, danach reinstall
[20:17] <fffelix> kann ich die neu anlegen lassen?
[20:17] <bekks> "Danach reinstall" - wie genau hast Du das gemacht?
[20:17] <fffelix> "sudo apt-get --reinstall install grub-common grub-pc os-prober"
[20:18] <k1l_> hast du überhaupt "linux-generic" installiert?
[20:18] <fffelix> Jipp, k1l_
[20:19] <fffelix> Allerdings nicht im zuge von grub eben
[20:19] <fffelix> Soll ich einen --reinstall machen?
[20:20] <bekks> Was sagt denn "apt-cache policy grub-common"?
[20:20] <fffelix> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785510/
[20:20] <kubine> fffelix: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:20] <k1l_> "ls -al /etc/grub.d" bringt nichts?
[20:21] <fffelix> k1l_: Nee, leer
[20:21] <k1l_> dann weißt du ja wo du rumgefuscht hast
[20:22] <fffelix> Ja, würde mich nur interessieren warum das jetzt leer ist nach dem reinstall von grub
[20:22] <fffelix> Und wie ich das wieder repariere
[20:24] <k1l_> "sudo apt-get purge grub-common grub-pc"
[20:24] <k1l_> nachdem der fertig ist dann "sudo apt-get install grub-common grub-pc"
[20:28] <fffelix> k1l_: Danke. grub.d ist immer noch leer, sudo update-grub gibt mir jetzt http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785570/ aus
[20:28] <kubine> fffelix: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:29] <k1l_> was kam als output bei den apt-get befehlen
[20:30] <fffelix> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785582/
[20:30] <kubine> fffelix: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:32] <subz3r0> sh: 0: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory
[20:32] <subz3r0> hmm?
[20:32] <fffelix> Ja, keine Ahnung woher das kommt, subz3r0
[20:32] <k1l_> das kommt wenn es da verzeichnisse nicht mehr gibt
[20:32] <k1l_> was gibt "pwd" aus?
[20:33] <fffelix> Bin noch in /etc/grub.d
[20:33] <k1l_> cd ~
[20:33] <fffelix> Jetzt nochmal purge & install?
[20:33] <k1l_> warte
[20:34] <k1l_> mach jetzt mal nen "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg"und pack das in einen pastebin
[20:36] <k1l_> wenn du pastebinit installiert hast kannste auch einfach "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg" machen
[20:37] <fffelix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785643/
[20:37] <kubine> fffelix: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:38] <fffelix> k1l_: danke für den tipp
[20:38] <k1l_> zumindest sollte jetzt der 3.13er kernel gebootet werden
[20:38] <fffelix> Aber ist es denn sicher, jetzt zu booten?
[20:38] <k1l_> ja
[20:39] <fffelix> Ok, dann probier ichs mal. Bin nur etwas nervös, weil grub.d noch leer ist update-grub meckert
[20:42] <fffelix> "3.13.0-49-generic" \o/
[20:42] <fffelix> Was mach ich jetzt mit grub? Lass ich das so?
[20:42] <k1l_> mach mal nen "ls -al /etc/grub.d"
[20:43] <fffelix> Jetzt sind se wieder da. Tausend dank, k1l_!
[20:44] <fffelix> Und danke bekks, subz3r0 und mrkramps
[20:45] <k1l_> nur für die zukunft: du kannst die scripte in grub.d ändern (oder besser kopieren und dem alten script dann einfach die +x entziehen) wenn du am grub aufbau was ändern willst.
[20:46] <fffelix> k1l_: jipp, danke
[21:40] <fffelix> Was hätte es für mögliche Nachteile, den 3.19.3er Kernel aus dem ubuntu kernel-ppa zu installieren?
[21:41] <phillip> fffelix: warum?
[21:42] <phillip> fffelix: und ja kann Probleme machen
[21:42] <fffelix> Weil ich gerade die media_build module von linuxtv kompiliere, da der Treiber von meinem Stick erst am 3.19 im Kernel ist. Das geht jetzt schon Stunden und ich will das nicht bei jedem update bis 3.19 machen
[21:43] <fffelix> Deshalb war ich am überlegen, direkt den 3.19er zu nehmen. Aber wenn das nicht rund läuft lass ich's wohl lieber. Danke dir, phillip
[21:44] <phillip> fffelix: ne unter den umständen ist das was anderes
[21:45] <phillip> wenn du dir sonst dein eigenen Kernel kompilierst, ist eine Option die am probieren kann.
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2015-04-09-#juju-gui | [17:48] <lazyPower> interesting behavior out of quickstart with a 1.20 host - http://cl.ly/image/0I3O1X1G1H0H
[17:48] <lazyPower> I'm poking the finder of this bug to actually file it, but it appears we're borked with quickstart on distro juju
[17:58] <rick_h_> lazyPower: this is 1.20.0?
[17:58] <rick_h_> lazyPower: or 1.20.1?
[17:59] <rick_h_> lazyPower: we had some network issues back then but had pathces in/etc and I wonder what version this is and if it's up to date?
[17:59] <lazyPower> Depends: juju-core (>= 1.20.11-0ubuntu0.14.04.1)
[17:59] <lazyPower> that came from apt-cache show juju, i skipped all the ppa lists. so it would be 1.20.11 apparently
[18:00] <rick_h_> ah ok
[18:00] <lazyPower> do we have any kind of confirmation if the gui works with safari? i'm getting reports of consistent failures during initial page load of the gui on safari as well. I replied that it wasn't 'officially' supported - but i got a frownie face in response
[18:01] <rick_h_> lazyPower: it's supported, we run it through on CI
[18:01] <lazyPower> ok, i'll have him get some console log traces for a bugreport. thanks for that rick_h_
[18:01] <rick_h_> yea, let us know happy to look into it
[18:09] <lazyPower> ok, got it filed - http://pad.lv/1442305
[18:10] <rick_h_> ugh, cert issues? that sucks.
[18:10] <lazyPower> indeed
[18:10] <lazyPower> hard to debug and triage as well
[18:11] <rick_h_> yay?
[18:11] <lazyPower> iirc - this has to do with theh strict CA authority chain in OSX
[18:11] <lazyPower> but i'm not certain, its been a while
[18:11] <rick_h_> ugh, well any time one browser is angry and the rest are ok we like to just blame the black sheep
[18:25] <jrwren> rick_h_: we know about that bug. its been there since my day 1. Safari https websocket badness.
[18:27] <rick_h_> jrwren: I thought we had fixed that by changing the juju.ubuntu.com part of the ssl chain
[18:29] <rick_h_> jrwren: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1322596
[18:29] <mup> Bug #1322596: deploying to 1.0.2 to live environment fails in safari <juju-gui:Fix Released> <juju-gui (Juju Charms Collection):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1322596>
[18:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: ah, see yea we did punt on part of that bug
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-bugs | [00:55] <billy_> Hi, is anyone online atm?
[23:32] <billy__> Hi is anyone online?
[23:33] <billy__> I've signed up to help with bug triaging but I haven't heard anything yet | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.918240 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#cloud-init | [18:51] <harlowja> smoser shall we make a tag/branch for 0.7.x on https://github.com/stackforge/cloud-init ?
[18:51] <harlowja> now that i see it has the full history there :-P
[18:51] <harlowja> didn't know it had that, ha
[18:52] <harlowja> i guess the last bzr move-over is https://github.com/stackforge/cloud-init/commit/d90bfd6268e8 ?
[18:53] <harlowja> and then i guess stop accepting bzr changes, ha
[18:54] <smoser> harlowja, hm..
[18:54] <harlowja> and/or create a 0.7.x branch from that commit; update it
[18:54] <harlowja> and have master be 2.x
[18:54] <smoser> i think keep 0.7.x on bzr
[18:55] <harlowja> seems like its on stackforge though :-P
[18:55] <smoser> what do you mean ?
[18:55] <harlowja> https://github.com/stackforge/cloud-init 2678 commits, ha
[18:55] <harlowja> so there is some history there :-P
[18:55] <harlowja> afaik nobody has done that many commits yet, lol
[18:55] <harlowja> so seems useful to have some kind of branch at least
[18:56] <harlowja> also then removes the need for https://github.com/number5/cloud-init
[18:56] <harlowja> ^ which is doing similar mirroring...
[18:56] <harlowja> ^ whoever that is...
[18:56] <smoser> hm..
[18:57] <smoser> well, i basically consider 0.7.x in maintenance
[18:57] <smoser> and figure just as well to do that in bzr on launcpad.
[18:57] <smoser> but id ont know.
[18:57] <smoser> yeah, i think keep it there for now.
[18:57] <harlowja> ok, i'd make it easier for yahoo, but sureeee, since we wanted to mirror bzr -> internal git
[18:57] <harlowja> makes it real easy if stackforge already does it :-P
[18:58] <smoser> :)
[18:58] <harlowja> sooo how about that :-P
[18:58] <smoser> well, i'm not really opposed to it i guess.
[18:59] <harlowja> i can push up a branch for the current 0.7.x on git (which seems to be from revision 1046 from bzr)
[18:59] <smoser> do we know of anythign that can mirror for us ? so that github.com/cloud-init/cloud-init is a mirror of stckforge/cloud-init ?
[18:59] <harlowja> and get someone to update that branch
[18:59] <harlowja> unsre
[18:59] <harlowja> poke #openstack-infra folks?
[18:59] <harlowja> i would think they would know something (some tool or other)
[19:00] <harlowja> so i'll push up 0.7.x branch on stackforge
[19:00] <harlowja> ok dokie?
[19:01] <smoser> so you'll push 0.7.x branch to stackforge... how do you do that ?
[19:01] <harlowja> magic
[19:01] <harlowja> lol
[19:01] <smoser> that wont force review ?
[19:01] <harlowja> clone the stackforge repo
[19:01] <harlowja> nope, no reviews for this
[19:02] <harlowja> $ git checkout d90bfd6268e8
[19:02] <harlowja> $ git checkout -b 0.7.x
[19:02] <harlowja> $ git push gerrit 0.7.x:0.7.x
[19:02] <harlowja> ^ is the sequence
[19:03] <harlowja> arg, didn't work
[19:03] <harlowja> ha
[19:04] <smoser> hnm.
[19:04] <smoser> well punt for now
[19:04] <smoser> but if we wanted, i think we can make bzr (on launchpad) be a mirror of github easily enough
[19:04] <smoser> launchpad supports that
[19:04] <smoser> harlowja, so please confirm... python in rhel 6 is 2.6 ?
[19:05] <smoser> if thats the case, i think it kind of forces 2.6 for cloud-init 2
[19:06] <harlowja> yup
[19:06] <harlowja> that is the case
[19:06] <harlowja> stupid rhel6
[19:06] <harlowja> lol
[19:07] <smoser> ok. so 2.6 requirement for cloud-init 2. :-(
[19:10] <harlowja> boo
[19:10] <harlowja> lol
[19:10] <harlowja> ya
[19:10] <harlowja> not that hard, just pita, lol
[19:19] <harlowja> guess i need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172179/ to go in before branches can be made...
[19:19] <harlowja> arg
[19:23] <harlowja> guess we'll need that anyway so might as well get the ACLs over with...
[19:34] <smoser> claudiupopa, if i wanted to write what versions of windows we'll support
[19:34] <smoser> what would i write ?
[19:35] <smoser> harlowja, can you make the above not refs/heads/stble/*
[19:35] <smoser> but refs/heads/0.7.X ?
[19:35] <smoser> or somethign to that affect.
[19:35] <smoser> ie, at the point when there is sstable 2.0.0, we dont want you going out of control
[19:35] <harlowja> i think so
[19:36] <harlowja> updated; let's see if people are ok with that
[19:37] <harlowja> ha
[19:37] <harlowja> u go out of control first, not me, ha
[19:37] <smoser> whats the yum equivalent of 'apt-get update'
[19:37] <smoser> ie, not upgrade
[19:37] <harlowja> hmmm, forgot, thought it did the scanning automatically or something
[19:38] <harlowja> yum clean && yum list (?)
[19:38] <harlowja> i think that has similar effect
[19:39] <smoser> makecache
[19:39] <smoser> i think
[19:39] <harlowja> could be
[19:39] <smoser> how do i get python3?
[19:42] <harlowja> in rhel6?
[19:42] <harlowja> u don't, ha
[19:42] <harlowja> :-P
[19:42] <harlowja> u compile it, lol
[19:43] <harlowja> then make altinstall or whatever
[19:43] <claudiupopa> smoser: we currently support windows 2003+ upwards, but it will be EOL after 17 june (if I remember correctly). So starting from vista should be fair to document.
[19:43] <harlowja> XP ftw!
[19:43] <harlowja> lol
[19:44] <claudiupopa> ;-) a decent os nevertheless.
[19:44] <harlowja> def, my mom still runs it afaik
[19:44] <harlowja> ha
[19:44] <harlowja> guess i should fix that someday, lol
[19:48] <smoser> claudiupopa, for the windows novice (i've just heard about this cool thing from seatle) what is that list ?
[19:49] <smoser> ie, i dont knwo windows server names othe rthan the ones you have just told me about above :)
[19:49] <claudiupopa> one moment. ;-)
[19:50] <claudiupopa> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms724832%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
[19:50] <claudiupopa> Everything starting with Vista.
[19:50] <claudiupopa> from Vista*
[19:57] <harlowja> forgot all the 9x versions.... jeez
[19:57] <harlowja> lol
[19:57] <harlowja> or millenuim (the best version ever)
[19:59] <smoser> claudiupopa, thanks.
[20:00] * smoser saw windows 8.X for the first time this weekend on sisters new laptop
[20:00] <harlowja> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_ME was the best version ever ;-P
[20:00] <harlowja> lol
[20:01] <smoser> now i've used it for 3 minutes. uninstalled the antivirus software (norton or something) that was on there, and set windows defender instead.
[20:01] <harlowja> last of the weird crappy windows versions, ha
[20:01] <harlowja> ya, remove the crapware if the first thing i usually do, lol
[20:01] <harlowja> *is the first
[20:03] <smoser> oh, you'd have liked this, harlowja
[20:03] <smoser> my sister was using yahoo to search for videos (youtube).
[20:03] <harlowja> man, thats weird, ha
[20:03] <smoser> i made a comment about not knowing i'd stepped into a time warp and being thrown back to 2002
[20:04] <harlowja> :)
[20:04] <harlowja> whattttt
[20:04] <harlowja> haha
[20:04] <smoser> i guess yahoo paid HP some money (or someone some money) to make it the default search engine in IE there.
[20:04] * harlowja can no longer associate with smoser
[20:04] <harlowja> nice, ha
[20:06] <harlowja> well thx for supporting me smoser
[20:07] <harlowja> every click u do i get 1 piece of rice
[20:07] <harlowja> so thx!
[20:07] <smoser> hoohoo.
[20:07] * harlowja has to feed all my kids...
[20:07] <harlowja> who would otherwise starve...
[20:13] <smoser> wow: http://www.ec2instances.info/
[20:13] * smoser remembers the days of m1.small, m1.large and m1.xlarge
[20:20] <harlowja> ha
[20:20] <harlowja> ya
[20:20] <harlowja> crazy amount of choices there
[20:20] <harlowja> to many...
[20:21] <harlowja> way to many...
[20:21] <harlowja> ^ is not what the cloud is supposed to be, lol
[20:21] <harlowja> (for my version of cloud, ha)
[21:38] <bodik> hi
[21:39] <bodik> in our new version deployed by cloudguys at our grid site, they introduced a power_state: mode: reboot, which should reboot the machine at the end of the cloudinit work
[21:39] <bodik> but at that time runcmd and bootcmds are already executed, nebula is reporting vm as running
[21:40] <bodik> so i wonder how should i detect that vm is really ready after final reboot ? so i can start to really use the machine ?
[21:40] <bodik> anyone has some trick beside sleep X to do it ?
[21:51] <harlowja> use /var/lib/cloud/data/status.json
[21:51] <harlowja> and examine that
[21:51] <harlowja> ex http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786345/
[21:53] <bodik> great thanx
[21:53] <bodik> meanwhile i'm trying to use write_files to modify rc.local which is executed after the final reboot ;)
[21:54] <bodik> but it that would not work i will try the status file
[21:54] <bodik> thnakx
[22:21] <bodik> write_files does not work ;( rc.local is still executed after cloudinit but before reboot so the file is there too soon | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.923975 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-nz | [22:45] <olly> morning
[23:23] <mwhudson> morning | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.925612 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-meeting | [15:00] <cyphermox> o/
[15:00] <infinity> \o
[15:00] <mvo> hi
[15:00] <chiluk> o/
[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:02] <robru> morning
[15:02] * slangasek waves
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 9 15:02:46 2015 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru cyphermox)
[15:03] <slangasek> infinity: hi dere
[15:03] <slangasek> infinity bdmurray sil2100 stgraber barry robru caribou cyphermox jodh doko mvo slangasek
[15:03] <infinity> - Kernel SRU releases
[15:03] <infinity> - General SRU/AA work
[15:03] <infinity> - Lots of vivid queue reviews
[15:03] <infinity> - Fixed docker 1.5 on arm64
[15:03] <infinity> - Sorted systemd sysv compat bug in Debian and Ubuntu
[15:03] <infinity> - Worked with benh on rescuing postal (ongoing)
[15:03] <infinity> - Merged some bugfixes from Debian (lshw, kmod)
[15:03] <infinity> - Sorted some transitions
[15:03] <infinity> - Started work on backlog of ppc64el bugs
[15:03] <infinity> (done)
[15:04] <mvo> bdmurray is on vac iirc(?)
[15:04] <slangasek> correct
[15:04] <slangasek> sil2100:
[15:04] <sil2100> ok
[15:05] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:05] <sil2100> - Documenting the ongoing OTA-3 milestone
[15:05] <sil2100> - Moar CI Train spreadsheet issues
[15:05] <sil2100> * Futile dealing with the aftermath
[15:05] <sil2100> * Filling an official google support case, pushing that forward
[15:05] <sil2100> * Disabling more scripts - no change
[15:05] <sil2100> - RTM status meeting and discussions
[15:05] <sil2100> - RTM - vivid archive delta:
[15:05] <sil2100> * Making the script more verbose and configurable
[15:05] <sil2100> - Dealing with multiple OTA-3 issues, discussing schedule
[15:05] <sil2100> - Analyzing the possible ways to proceed with the new RTM branching and vivid+1
[15:05] <sil2100> - Preparing the release process presentation for OSD in Poland
[15:05] <sil2100> - Holidays and some other stuff I forgot
[15:05] <sil2100> (done)
[15:05] <stgraber> - LXC/LXD
[15:05] <stgraber> - Released LXD 0.6 on Tuesday, uploaded to archive, PPAs, ...
[15:05] <stgraber> - Reworking our PPA layout to have builds for all git branches + stable releases + lts releases
[15:05] <stgraber> - Got all the test failures for lxc, lxcfs and cgmanager sorted out in vivid
[15:05] <stgraber> - Various bugfixes and feature work on LXC and LXD
[15:05] <stgraber> - Preparing a bunch of talks for various conferences
[15:05] <stgraber> - Code reviews, bug triaging, other admin paperwork
[15:06] <stgraber> - Other
[15:06] <stgraber> - queuebot fix
[15:06] <stgraber> - system-image discussion with barry + code reviews
[15:06] <stgraber> - vivid queue reviews
[15:06] <stgraber> - Some more work on a security fix.
[15:06] <stgraber> (done)
[15:06] <slangasek> barry is at PyCon this week, presumably not attending the meeting
[15:06] <slangasek> robru:
[15:06] <robru> * short week due to easter
[15:06] <robru> * lots of struggles / failed iterations with CI Engine
[15:06] <robru> * lots of struggles with juju breaking due to systemd transition in vivid (and several failed attempts at using juju 1.23 beta which claims to fix this)
[15:06] <robru> (done)
[15:07] <slangasek> robru: so is that still failing for you?
[15:07] <slangasek> caribou:
[15:07] <caribou> Bugfix:
[15:07] <caribou> - rsyslog memory leak on Trusty : Not more than ~60Mb leak identified
[15:07] <caribou> - Endless openafs dkms fix backport II
[15:07] <caribou> * Setup test environment to verify precise backport
[15:07] <caribou> - Cherry-picked commit to fix makedumpfile segfaults (LP: #1441042)
[15:07] <slangasek> "not more than 60MB"? :)
[15:07] <caribou> (done)
[15:08] <cyphermox> * bug 1428005 (grub2 arp packets, with infinity's help)
[15:08] <cyphermox> * more time spent on plymouth/casper input handling issue
[15:08] <cyphermox> * investigation on bug 1418706; UEFI blank drive detection
[15:08] <caribou> slangasek: I had people claiming for much more than that
[15:08] <cyphermox> * network-manager-applet and NM code reviews.
[15:08] <cyphermox> * review/testing more multipath patches: 1436020, 1429327, 1441930.
[15:08] <cyphermox> * trying to reduce the AP list pruning timeout (bug 1425172)
[15:08] <slangasek> "Your logger only leaks 96 IBM PCs-worth"
[15:08] <cyphermox> - will need moar testing.
[15:08] <cyphermox> - indicator-network might have to do more pruning using last-seen.
[15:08] <cyphermox> * NM routing issue on the phone on wifi -> 3G transition (bug 1436427)
[15:08] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:08] <robru> slangasek: well juju-local is totally busted, yes. bootstack works but that s-i charm is not actually deployable.
[15:08] <jodh> * misc:
[15:08] <jodh> - Short week as out Friday+Monday.
[15:08] <jodh> * snappy:
[15:08] <jodh> - lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-upgrader/handle-invalid-removed-file
[15:08] <jodh> - Finished test rework.
[15:08] <jodh> - lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-upgrader/implement-format-command:
[15:08] <jodh> - Wrote tests and raised MP (merged).
[15:08] <jodh> - lp:~jamesodhunt/snappy/suppress-progress-if-no-terminal:
[15:08] <jodh> - Branch to address bug 1438889.
[15:08] <jodh> - Bit of investigation into bug 1438420.
[15:08] <jodh> ĵ
[15:09] <mvo> doko is at pycon too I gues
[15:09] <mvo> Short week due to easter vacation.
[15:09] <mvo> apt:
[15:09] <mvo> - Debug/fix crash #1436626
[15:09] <mvo> aptdaemon:
[15:09] <mvo> - Review/merge/upload fix for #1436725
[15:09] <mvo> update-manager:
[15:09] <slangasek> yes
[15:09] <mvo> - Drive-by fix/SRU for #1441157
[15:09] <mvo> snappy:
[15:09] <mvo> - some debsigs work
[15:09] <mvo> - various fixes for the upcoming image promotion
[15:09] <mvo> - upload snappy dependencies into main archive
[15:09] <mvo> - fix device tarball generation for armhf/BBB
[15:10] <mvo> misc:
[15:10] <mvo> - travel preparing (e.g. new passport)
[15:10] <mvo> (done)
[15:10] <doko> - start vivid test rebuilds (normal and using GCC 5)
[15:10] <doko> - investigate and file GCC 5 issues found in the test rebuild
[15:10] <doko> - investigate remaining python3 issues for the desktop images, fix some issues
[15:10] <doko> - two bank holidays, travelling to PyCon, Python Language Summit
[15:10] <doko> (done)
[15:10] <slangasek> oh, hi doko :)
[15:10] * barry waves too
[15:11] <slangasek> barry: hi! any status update for you?
[15:11] <barry> a little...
[15:11] <barry> mostly pyconning (language summit chair, etc)
[15:11] <barry> also last week
[15:11] <barry> https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu-system-image/server-si30-configd
[15:11] <barry> that's a mp for si 3.0 support in the server, awaiting review
[15:12] <barry> once that lands, we can start getting si 3.0 client in the train
[15:12] <barry> --done--
[15:12] <stgraber> I'll try to do a round of reviews today or tomorrow
[15:12] <mvo> barry: nice to see this landing!
[15:12] <slangasek> barry: ok. so you are still aiming to land s-i 3.0 before vivid release?
[15:12] <barry> stgraber: awesome, thanks. not that i'll have much time to follow up this week, but much appreciated!
[15:12] <mvo> stgraber: could you ping me once that is ready on the server? we need to move snappy to this asap
[15:12] <barry> slangasek: maybe ;)
[15:12] <slangasek> ok
[15:13] <slangasek> * Debugging of systemd never booting to console login if a configured network interface doesn't come up (bug #1325376)
[15:13] <slangasek> * pitti fixed the systemd issues; cloud-init package currently in the queue
[15:13] <slangasek> * snappy -proposed -> devel image promotion planned for this week (in progress)
[15:13] <slangasek> * discussions around landing spreadsheet replacement, in the face of recurring outages
[15:13] <slangasek> * working towards getting a supported internal system-image server configuration, to address needs for not-yet-public phone testing
[15:13] <slangasek> * discussed with the landing team enabling phased updates for the next BQ OTA update
[15:13] <slangasek> * prepping for next week's Core sprint
[15:13] <slangasek> * investigation of a broken package install in the Software Center
[15:13] <slangasek> (done)
[15:13] <slangasek> erm ok that's not the right bug
[15:13] <slangasek> bug #1425376
[15:13] <slangasek> :)
[15:13] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:13] <stgraber> mvo: sure
[15:15] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:15] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:15] <slangasek> everyone knows where they're going to be on Monday? :)
[15:15] <slangasek> (or Sunday evening)
[15:16] <infinity> Not here?
[15:16] <cyphermox> working?
[15:16] <mvo> :)
[15:16] <slangasek> cyphermox: Sunday evening!? no, welcome drinks
[15:16] <caribou> fighting sleep deprivation ?
[15:16] <doko> cyphermox, stgraber, barry: dinner tonight?
[15:17] <cyphermox> doko: barry: maybe more drinks, but late? I have another dinner :/
[15:17] <cyphermox> actually, I should probably confirm
[15:18] <slangasek> you can have two dinners and drinks
[15:18] <slangasek> ok seriously - anything else to take care of here? :)
[15:18] <doko> slangasek, was this an offer to double expense? ;-P
[15:18] * sil2100 just got really angry at google just now
[15:18] <cyphermox> stgraber: need a lift to the airport on sunday?
[15:18] <slangasek> doko: cyphermox said he had to have two dinners, he doesn't get a per diem at home ;)
[15:20] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 9 15:20:05 2015 UTC.
[15:20] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-04-09-15.02.moin.txt
[15:20] <slangasek> thanks
[15:20] <mvo> thanks
[15:20] <caribou> thanks
[15:20] <cyphermox> o.
[15:20] <slangasek> see (a lot of) you on Sunday!
[15:20] <cyphermox> thanks
[15:20] <sil2100> o/
[15:20] <caribou> cyphermox: FYI, we're both landing at ~15:30 in Austin, might want to try to share a cab
[15:20] <cyphermox> caribou: sure.
[15:20] <cyphermox> three of us
[15:20] <barry> stgraber, cyphermox if we can do dinner that would be great
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-gnome | [02:52] <KurtKraut> jseliga, I belive it was slashed from gdm a couple of years ago. | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.943607 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-x | [03:28] <furkan> tjaalton: confirmed that it's not a radeon bug... same issue with fglrx, and the checkerboarding doesn't happen in kubuntu
[03:29] <furkan> i posted another comment on the bug report again a few hours ago, saying that i had tested it in kubuntu
[03:30] <furkan> so it's probably not Xorg (since it doesn't happen on KDE), and almost definitely not the open-source radeon driver (since i don't think it shares any code with fglrx), so i think that probably leaves Unity/compiz
[03:31] <furkan> tjaalton: when you get the opportunity, would you mind testing again with both screens not aligned at the top, i.e. with y > 0 for the landscape monitor
[03:33] <furkan> but how could it be unity/compiz... because it first started happening when i upgraded to xserver-xorg-lts-vivid from the x staging ppa when i was running trusty
[03:33] <furkan> so then maybe it *is* an xorg bug
[03:35] <furkan> well at least i have dpms back, after switching to fglrx
[03:40] <furkan> (but i did lose my virtual terminals)
[03:40] <furkan> with an AMD card on linux i guess there's no winning combination
[04:36] <tjaalton> kde uses qt, not gtk
[04:37] <tjaalton> and use xterm or such ;)
[07:37] <ricotz> tseliot, jfyi pushing blob 346.59 tarballs to xorg-edgers
[07:37] <tseliot> ricotz: ok, I'll use your tarballs then
[07:37] <tseliot> so that you don't have to re-upload them
[07:37] <ricotz> tseliot, thanks, i hope it didnt already clash with your work
[07:38] <tseliot> ricotz: no problem, I'll delete mine and download yours. I'm still testing the packages
[20:50] <tjaalton> furkan: you'll get your dpms back in the next vivid kernel update
[20:50] <tjaalton> oh it got tagged, 3.19.0-13.13
[21:37] <furkan> tjaalton: ah, great news, thanks :D
[21:38] <furkan> i hope it continues to work after suspend/resume as well!
[21:39] <furkan> and.. i've been playing around with kde (i installed the kubuntu-desktop package)
[21:39] <furkan> i'm finding it really strange that kde doesn't crash after changing my display settings, but unity does
[21:40] <furkan> the display corruption happens in both, but kde recovers whereas unity doesn't
[21:40] <furkan> and the totally crazy thing about the display corruption is that it shows parts of the screen buffer from the previous boot
[21:41] <furkan> like first when i booted up into a kubuntu live usb, and changed the monitor configuration, when it was switching resolutions you could see portions of what i had open on my screen before rebooting
[21:42] <furkan> and likewise when i rebooted back into my ubuntu install, when changing resolutions i would see portions of the wallpaper from the kubuntu live cd
[21:42] <furkan> if it's on a fresh boot, i see white rectangles instead
[21:43] <furkan> so it's as if there are portions of old stuff that's left over in the VRAM
[21:44] <furkan> so if you shut down the PC, it gets cleared, but if you do a reboot, those contents are still in the VRAM and they get "leaked"
[21:44] <furkan> i'm sure that's an upstream issue, as it doesn't happen with fglrx
[21:45] <furkan> but somehow kde manages to handle the situation anyway
[21:46] <furkan> so that's why i installed kde, but i can't stand it, gonna nuke it now and go back to unity
[22:31] <furkan> tjaalton: i just added the kernel testing ppa and installed 3.19.0-13, and also did an apt-get upgrade and noticed that my libdrm* packages got upgraded... now dpms is back (even after suspend/resume) and my desktop no longer crashes after a resolution change... so i will close that bug
[22:32] <furkan> i still get the checkerboard corruption after suspend/resume... but, not the worst out of those bugs
[22:43] <furkan> tjaalton: never mind... resolution change causes a black screen (it used to show corruption, now just black) - it was only changing the screen's vertical position which no longer triggered screen corruption + crash | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.948121 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-server | [00:13] <thumper> hallyn: hey there
[00:13] <thumper> hallyn: still around?
[00:14] <thumper> hallyn: I'm looing into the lxc template failing to stop issue on trusty with juju 1.22 with katco
[00:14] <thumper> hallyn: looking through the log files, it became obvious that the problem was intermittent with many other lxc containers and our template mechanism working on other machines
[00:14] <thumper> hallyn: so the race condition option seems most likely
[00:14] <thumper> hallyn: however I'm not entirely sure what we are racing with...
[02:22] <hallyn> thumper: well, whatever does the first lxc-create or lxc-start, can you have it do a 'ps -ef' and 'sudo aa-status' and 'dpkg -l'? Question is whether package install is complete, and if not why not.
[04:51] <linocisco> hi all
[04:52] <linocisco> i have ddns registered at no-ip.com. I have no registered domain
[04:55] <linocisco> i want to setup webserver on virtualbox using dynamic dns. what do I do?
[06:19] <tash> when I run this from the CLI: curl http://myurl/cgi-bin/my-file.pl it returns a string "ok" which I expect. But, when I put that into a shell script like this: REQUEST=`curl http://myurl/cgi-bin/my-file.pl` print $REQUEST it spits this out: Error: no such file "ok"
[06:19] <tash> can anyone explain why it doesn't just show "ok" when I run it from a script, rather than display an Error
[06:22] <excalibr> tash, print?
[06:23] <excalibr> you want echo or printf if that is shell script
[06:26] <tash> yeah, lol
[06:27] <tash> i actually realized that after I put that here...I've been working on perl scripts and shell scripts today and got some syntax confused
[06:27] <tash> pffff, thx excalibr
[07:38] <brianw> using ubuntu 14.04 on (2) physical machines to host my glusterfs backup & lxc host for samba ad/dc containers & glusterfs/ctdb/samba DFS server containers. Each physical machine can run the network without the other. When the other comes back online, all is synced...
[07:38] <brianw> Lovely!
[07:39] <brianw> I just wish glusterfs supported btrfs backend with snapper support.
[08:11] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[08:22] <excalibr> Upstart question, in script stanza, do your codes in it always get executed when you start/stop your upstart job?
[08:38] <excalibr> never mind
[09:06] <voidfire> anyone able to help me? tryin to setup vhosts like cpanel (per user) in ubuntu
[09:06] <voidfire> tried manually. tried with webmin.. i dont know what im missing. I get forbidden eerors as well as I have fiddle with the permission of the said user folder to try stuff out
[09:09] <lordievader> !webmin
[09:09] <lordievader> voidfire: ^ is likely why you get those errors.
[09:10] <voidfire> but I was trying first manually :/
[09:10] <voidfire> i tried throught webmins after I failed my self
[09:10] <voidfire> but thanks for your input..its better than nothin
[09:11] <voidfire> shall I go with ISPconfig3?
[09:13] <lordievader> Just pointing out what I know ;)
[09:13] <voidfire> tell me more of what you do know :)
[09:14] <voidfire> pweasee
[09:15] <lordievader> What are you trying to do exactly?
[09:15] <voidfire> im setting up 2 new ubuntu 14.04 servers (vps)
[09:16] <voidfire> i want inside one of them to make virtual hosts on apache for every user
[09:16] <voidfire> so each user will be able to develop php/html and serve those files from /home/$USER/public_html
[09:16] <voidfire> similar to what a cpanel server does
[09:17] <voidfire> i know , ive googled for the matter but each article shows different proccess or misses steps and Im puzzled
[09:17] * voidfire is confused
[09:17] <lordievader> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_userdir.html
[09:17] <voidfire> ive enabled that module
[09:18] <voidfire> lets read up
[09:18] <lordievader> voidfire: That should be all, then you should be able to acces http://localhost/~username/
[09:18] <voidfire> kay , thanx
[10:19] <frobware> anybody aware of dpkg SEGV issues on arm64 since Monday this week?
[10:54] <Odd_Bloke> frobware: On vivid?
[11:20] <frobware> Odd_Bloke, trusty
[11:20] <frobware> Odd_Bloke, I went back to http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/trusty/20150313/trusty-server-cloudimg-arm64-disk1.img which is OK for my test case (installing devstack)
[12:44] <mgz> rbasak (or someone) licencing question:
[12:45] <mgz> we're currently removing some files from our tarball when building juju because they come from a w3c testsuite
[12:45] <mgz> looking at their docs again today, they now seem to offer 3-clause bsd as an option as well as their own non-free licence
[12:46] <mgz> so is bundling w3c test suites okay now?
[12:51] <strikov> mgz: very good point; i don't know the answer (need to think about it) but i just figured out that we *include* this testsuite as src/golang.org/x/net/html/charset/testdata/
[12:52] <strikov> mgz: we now have two copies of pretty the same code (maybe different versions) at golang.org/x/net and code.google.com/p/go.net/
[12:52] <mgz> strikov: so, the juju tarball we build explictly strips that
[12:53] <mgz> but the move is why I'm looking at it again :)
[12:53] <strikov> mgz: i found it in the tarball for 1.23-beta3
[12:53] <strikov> mgz: it removed from code.google.com/p/go.net/ but not from golang.org/x/net
[12:53] <mgz> >_<
[12:54] <strikov> mgz: do you know the reason why we have two versions of the same code?
[12:55] <mgz> code.google.com is shutting down, so everything is moving
[12:55] <mgz> I suspect not all things have moved the import over yet
[13:04] <strikov> mgz: origin link in the testdata/ folder doesn't work for me; what is the origin repo for these tests?
[13:06] <jelly> hi, is 15.04 server going with systemd as default init or is that delayed?
[13:07] <mgz> strikov: looks like it's that url s/repository\///
[13:07] <mgz> wait, other way around
[13:07] <mgz> add repository in, after tests/ in the path
[13:08] <strikov> jelly: systemd is default for vivid
[13:09] <strikov> mgz: ah, thanks; i was confused by the fact that they call them the-input-byte-stream-***
[13:12] <strikov> mgz: do you mean this by saying about bsd license: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-20021231
[13:13] <strikov> mgz: sorry, found right one
[13:13] <mgz> strikov: I was reading the "licenses for w3c test suites" page
[13:14] <rbasak> mgz, strikov: sounds OK, as long as the version you're shipping was released under the 3-clause bsd license as an option. I trust strikov will take care of checking that :)
[13:17] <strikov> mgz: rbasak: how about changing README in the tests folder to include 'all *.html files' are (c) by w3c and the following license applies <license from http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/03-bsd-license.html>
[13:17] <mgz> strikov: I'd like to do that, as an upstream patch at least
[13:18] <mgz> having a readme with a dead link and no mention of licencing at all is dumb
[13:33] <strikov> mgz: do you plan to file upstream bug to google or I need to do that?
[13:34] <mgz> strikov: I can
[13:34] <strikov> mgz: ok, thanks; ping me please when done so i can track it (i need to include a link to the bug to debian/copyright)
[13:42] <faylite> I get lots of lag while using ssh on a local network, 1-10 seconds of delay when typing etc. Any suggestions, it's a server on the same local network as me.
[13:42] <faylite> And it's connected to wifi......
[13:44] <lordievader> Bad wifi connection? Long latency?
[13:44] <faylite> Any commands to measure it? Probably bad connection but I'm not sure.
[13:46] <lordievader> faylite: /proc/net/wireless can tell you.
[13:50] <faylite> Not sure what's good or bad, wlan0: link:58. level:-52. noise:-256
[13:53] <faylite> Ok nvm looks like the signal is pretty bad and unstable, guess I'll try plugging in the Alfa
[13:53] <lordievader> Link level isn't optimal.
[14:00] <strikov> mgz: i just updated the bug; imo, we need to remove this testsuite from 1.23 tarball; we will return it back but only when golang guys fix the issue upstream
[14:01] <strikov> mgz: i don't want to be in a position when we have 1.23 release but we can't package it because golang upstream doesn't fix it yet
[14:03] <mgz> strikov: sure
[14:05] <strikov> mgz: thanks
[14:07] <mgz> strikov: what's the tarball you are looking at? because it really should ahve the old location stripped already
[14:07] <strikov> mgz: yes, old location is stripped; i'm talking about new location
[14:07] <strikov> mgz: i.e. we need to remove both :)
[14:07] <mgz> okay, I have that change done, will propose now
[14:07] <strikov> mgz: awesome
[14:46] <caribou> utlemming: ping,
[14:47] <utlemming> caribou: pong
[14:47] <caribou> utlemming: just saw your MP for the cloud-init sosreport plugin, thanks !
[14:47] <utlemming> caribou: :)
[14:48] <caribou> utlemming: the only thing is that I will not merge it from bzr as I would prefer to have it upstream first
[14:48] <caribou> utlemming: do you have a github account ?
[14:48] <caribou> utlemming: this way, it will benefit to all distros
[14:49] <utlemming> caribou: ah, sure. What is the github project I need to fork?
[14:49] <utlemming> caribou: I'll be happy to submit it up that way
[14:49] <caribou> utlemming: https://github.com/sosreport/sos
[14:49] <caribou> utlemming: or I can do it for you if you're too busy
[14:50] <utlemming> caribou: meh, I'll do it...its simple and I should really be playing in the Github community more
[14:50] <caribou> utlemming: just make sure that your commit log starts with [cloud-init] & add the signoff thingy
[14:50] <caribou> utlemming: just have a look here : https://github.com/sosreport/sos/wiki/Contribution-Guidelines
[14:51] <caribou> utlemming: so bryn doesn't send you back there. It mostly sums up to the two things I mentionned
[14:51] <caribou> utlemming: I worked on this a while back; sent a few emails then it fell in my todo blackhole
[15:06] <utlemming> caribou: done, https://github.com/sosreport/sos/pull/548
[15:07] <caribou> utlemming: yep, just got the email. Thanks a lot. I'll get it in ubuntu once it's in
[15:07] <utlemming> caribou: great :)
[16:56] <excalibr> Can someone help me with Upstart? Why does 'read' behave unusually in *-stop script stanza?
[16:56] <excalibr> I have these 2 lines in post-stop script block
[16:56] <excalibr> read -r ppid < /var/log/dnscrypt-resolvers_1.log
[16:56] <excalibr> touch /tmp/dnsc1_$ppid
[16:57] <excalibr> and when I stopped the job, the filename created in /tmp was dnsc1_[NOTICE]
[17:07] <lordievader> excalibr: what is in dnscrypt-resolvers_1.log?
[17:14] <excalibr> lordievader, /facepalm. I just realized that I made a stupid mistake when writing the filename. It meant to be a pidfile but it looks here something still caused it to fail
[17:14] <excalibr> read -r ppid < ${PID_FILE_PRIMARY}
[17:14] <lordievader> ;)
[17:14] <excalibr> touch /tmp/foobar_${ppid}
[17:15] <lordievader> Why throw it through read? 'touch /tmp/foobar_${PID_FILE_PRIMARY}'?
[17:15] <excalibr> stop: Job failed while stopping
[17:15] <excalibr> it gave me that when I stopped the service
[17:15] <excalibr> and dmesg output:
[17:16] <excalibr> [83429.323424] init: dnscrypt-proxy post-stop process (10894) terminated with status 1
[17:16] <excalibr> lordievader, Im interested with the file content
[17:16] <excalibr> not the file itself
[17:17] <lordievader> Could you pastebin the full script?
[17:18] <excalibr> lordievader, it works though if I wrote it this way: ppid=`cat $PID_FILE_PRIMARY`; touch /tmp/foobar_${ppid}
[17:19] <lordievader> I really have no idea what you are trying to accomplish.
[17:21] <excalibr> lordievader, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KW4X9ZKF
[17:24] <lordievader> Could you explain what you are trying to accomplish?
[17:25] <excalibr> lordievader, I had this line earlier in the post-stop block: if { read -r ppid < ${PID_FILE_PRIMARY}; } 2>/dev/null but oddly that didnt work so now this line was reduced to just that short read -r ... code. Basically I want to dig why the built-in read command failed
[17:26] <lordievader> So, run it manually?
[17:27] <excalibr> If I run that piece of code manually in interactive dash/bash shell it works just fine
[17:28] <lordievader> What does the upstart log say?
[17:28] <excalibr> where is the log file
[17:29] <lordievader> /var/log/upstart/
[17:29] <excalibr> I dont see a log file for the upstart job in the dir
[17:30] <excalibr> I was wondering about this as well
[17:32] <lordievader> ttp://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[17:32] <lordievader> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[18:05] <jathan> Hello ubuntu-server chanel
[18:05] <lordievader> o/
[18:06] <jathan> Can someone tell me please which could be a good hardware characteristics for a Lidrectord implementation with Ubuntu Server 14.04 for an operation that will be attending between 200 and 1 milion requests per day?
[18:12] <Guest42674> hi
[18:12] <XIaah> does anyone have a few minutes for a few quick questions for a noob about linux servers?
[18:12] <lordievader> XIaah: Shoot
[18:14] <joren> Hey, has anyone else ran into missing ca certs on ubuntu server recently? The install I did is pretty minimal (from preseed) so I'm wondering if there's just a package or something I'm missing. Wget and python are both having trouble with some *fairly* common keys.
[18:16] <XIaah> thanks lordievader, im doing a project at the moment using a dns, http and msql server and going to use a client to "hack" the servers to gain information from them and try to patch the weaknesses in them. i've obviously got apache2 installed on the http with and mysql on the mysql server. however i'm slightly unsure on where the best place to install myphpadmin and wordpress (wordpress
[18:16] <XIaah> must be used for the sake of project) would be? would it be on the apache server as i read that it needs to have permission to access apache2. or would it be best to install it on the mysql server? i hope thats clear enough its been a very long day!
[18:16] <XIaah> everywhere i've looked so far just points towards LAMP and installing everything on the same server, which in my case isn't possible as i need to use 3 individual servers
[18:17] <lordievader> XIaah: Those things are usually placed in /var/www if that is what you mean.
[18:17] <XIaah> yeah
[18:17] <sarnold> joren: apt-get install ca-certificates, that ought to be a good start
[18:18] <joren> sarnold, that's on there. some ssl works, some doesn't. I was hoping there might be another package missing but maybe it's something else
[18:18] <XIaah> lordievader would you recommend installing wordpress and myphpadmin along side apache2?
[18:19] <sarnold> XIaah: you could look into the juju charms for wordpress, apache, and mysql, they'll know how to configure those services to run on different computers
[18:19] <XIaah> sarnold juju charms? :o
[18:19] <sarnold> joren: can you share a specific site that's failing to verify?
[18:19] <sarnold> joren: maybe run it through the qualsys ssl checker..
[18:20] <joren> running now, https://api.xero.com/ for one
[18:20] <sarnold> XIaah: see e.g. https://jujucharms.com/mysql/trusty/24
[18:21] <XIaah> i'll look into it, thanks sarnold !
[18:22] <teward> anyone here use reprepro willing to give me a hand with something?
[18:22] <lordievader> XIaah: You need something to serve those pages ;)
[18:22] <teward> i need to get two versions of the same source package into a repository that is explicitly named what i want, say, 'nginx-mainline' or 'nginx-stable'
[18:23] <teward> and within that it needs to support ubuntu versions trusty, utopic, vivid, and debian repos as well. any sane way to execute this
[18:23] <XIaah> lordievader what do you mean?
[18:23] <lordievader> XIaah: Apache is a web server, wordpress/phpmyadmin are web pages.
[18:25] <XIaah> lordievader: i'll have a dns running to support them also
[18:41] <jvwjgames> Hi i am trying to find my private key
[18:42] <jvwjgames> where is it stored
[18:42] <jvwjgames> i used openssl to generate a key
[18:42] <jvwjgames> but can't find the key
[18:42] <genii> cwd
[18:42] <teward> jvwjgames: /home/$USER/.ssh/
[18:42] <teward> jvwjgames: the default is id_something - id_rsa for an RSA key, etc.
[18:43] <jvwjgames> openssl req -nodes -newkey rsa:2048 -keyout ...
[18:43] <teward> jvwjgames: those files contain the private keys; the id_something.pub file is the public key
[18:43] <jvwjgames> this is the command i used
[18:43] <teward> jvwjgames: oh wait, nevermind, i failed
[18:43] <teward> that command is only part of it, but -keyout should say what the filename is
[18:43] <teward> it'd then be in your current working directory
[18:43] <teward> (the directory you were in when you ran the command)
[18:44] <teward> FYI I can't read
[18:44] <teward> xD
[18:44] * teward is tiredish
[18:46] <jvwjgames> i forgot to speok found it
[18:47] <jvwjgames> ok i found it
[18:52] <jvwjgames> where is the ssl config file for apache 2 i can't find it
[18:52] <jrwren> jvwjgames: you can find it yourself: grep -ri ssl /etc/apache2
[18:53] <jrwren> jvwjgames: looks like it is split across files in mods-enabled and sites-enabled
[19:09] <joren> It really does just seem like ubuntu is missing some important ca cert. it's working just fine on an arch machine and not working a few ubuntu servers
[19:13] <sarnold> joren: we really just repackage and ship the mozilla certs.. we don't want to be in the business of auditing CAs ourselves..
[19:15] <joren> I see
[19:16] <maxb> what exactly fails?
[19:16] <joren> wget https://api.xero.com
[19:16] <joren> for one
[19:16] <joren> openssl s_client -showcerts -connect api.xero.com:443
[19:16] <joren> show's "unable to get local issuer certificate
[19:17] <joren> er, with -CApath /etc/ssl/certs/
[19:18] <jrwren> joren: I hate to say WFM, but... :)
[19:18] <joren> :( maybe it's really a man in the middle :D
[19:19] <maxb> I do see it fail for me on vivid
[19:19] <maxb> though I can't quite work out why
[19:20] <jvwjgames> how do i convert a cert to X.509 PEM
[19:20] <jrwren> me too, works on trusty, fails on utopic interesting
[19:21] * joren on trusty here
[19:21] <joren> failing on at least 3 installs
[19:21] <joren> :/
[19:22] <jrwren> /etc/ssl/certs/Entrust.net_Secure_Server_CA.pem is on trusty and not utopic
[19:22] <jrwren> likely the cert was revoked for a reason?
[19:22] <jrwren> maybe because its a 1024 bit signing cert?
[19:23] <sarnold> jrwren: can you dpkg -S that on both systems? I thuoght the certs should be identical on all: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates
[19:24] <joren> I've got the Entrust.net_Premium_2048_Secure_Server_CA.pem but I'm missing that one that jrwren just mentioned. This gets me a bit closer :)
[19:25] <jrwren> sarnold: 20130906ubuntu2 on this not-updated trusty.
[19:26] <jrwren> here it is, phasing out 1024bit signing keys: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2014/09/08/phasing-out-certificates-with-1024-bit-rsa-keys/
[19:28] <jrwren> and https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Projects/NSS/NSS_3.16.3_release_notes
[19:29] <sarnold> I don't thinkt hat's it though, qualys reports their cert and all certs above it in the chain are 2048. but they also report they are using sha1.. I wonder if that's related?
[19:30] <jrwren> sarnold: I can confirm that the missing file which I mentioned has the same fingerprint mentioned in those NSS release notes.
[19:34] <joren> jrwren, how did you find that that was the missing file? I've got one other site failing that I'd like to investigate a bit too, it's failing on a verson of ca-certificates that works with api.xero.com
[19:35] <jrwren> joren: I saw the name entrust so I ls /etc/ssl/certs/*trust* on a trusty and a utopic. Lucky guess.
[19:35] <joren> cool cool
[19:35] <jrwren> joren: but, I am not sure that is the problem.
[19:35] <jrwren> I'd have excpect to see that cert as on in the chain in the output of that s_client command, and it is not
[19:37] <jrwren> i'm afraid i went down the wrong path on this. sorry.
[19:39] <joren> idk, seems logical to me. the ubuntu servers are missing a "USERTrust*" certs as well which would explain the other site.
[19:39] <joren> Maybe I should just get a different cert bundle from a trusted source
[19:40] <sarnold> you could download just their specific CA cert and use --ca-certificate=FILE
[19:40] <jrwren> joren: these certs were removed for good reason and without seeing them in that chain, there is no reason to believe adding the cert will fix the problem.
[19:41] <jrwren> joren: also, I do not think "unable to get local issuer certificate" is an error. I get that for google.com and yahoo.com
[19:42] <joren> I get "Verify return code: 0 (ok)" instead of the local issuer thing :/
[19:44] <joren> using that missing cert with --ca-certificate does indeed work. Which I had actually downloaded from Entrust yesterday.
[19:49] <joren> I guess I'll probably just do that, or add Entrust's full cert bundle, and maybe urge xero to get their key's resigned to that 2048 CA key if they can
[19:50] <joren> unless I'm missing something.
[20:19] <jvwjgames> where do i pu the chiper options in apache
[20:20] <jvwjgames> i can;t find the file
[20:20] <teward> jvwjgames: in your site configs, IIRC
[20:20] <teward> httpd.conf theoretically, but i don't know where that is on Ubuntu, as I use nginx instead :P
[20:21] <joren> jvwjgames, /etc/apache2/monds-enabled/ssl.conf is where I'd probably put it.
[20:21] <jrwren> jvwjgames: /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf
[20:22] <jrwren> jvwjgames: see SSLCipherSuite is there by default
[20:22] <joren> btw, thanks jrwren and sarnold for your help.
[20:22] <teward> what they said :0
[20:28] <jvwjgames> thanks guys
[20:29] <jvwjgames> >:(
[20:29] <jvwjgames> why
[20:29] <jvwjgames> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=jvwjgames.net
[20:29] <jvwjgames> This server accepts the RC4 cipher, which is weak. Grade capped to B.
[20:32] <jrwren> jvwjgames: http://blog.rlove.org/2013/12/strong-ssl-crypto.html I follow that.
[20:32] <jvwjgames> any ideas
[20:33] <teward> jvwjgames: you have the rc4 cipher somewhere
[20:33] <jvwjgames> SSLCipherSuite AES128-SHA:HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5:!RC4
[20:33] <teward> but without your cipher strings we can't really tell
[20:33] <teward> did you reload the configuration when you hanged it
[20:33] <teward> changed*
[20:33] <jvwjgames> SSLHonorCipherOrder on
[20:34] <jvwjgames> yes
[20:34] <teward> yeah i was running the cipher test :p
[20:36] <teward> jvwjgames: i think it's missing this cipher in that config, but IDK why - ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA
[20:36] <teward> i just ran a cipherscan of your domain from here, and that's the only rc4 cipher still in use
[20:36] <teward> probably why it triggered
[20:36] <jvwjgames> so just add it
[20:37] <teward> see, https://cipherli.st/ is a little more 'accurate' to the cipher strings that you should probably use - it doesn't include the MEDIUM ciphers and won't trigger the RC4 error, but meh
[20:37] <teward> not that i endorse that list
[20:37] <jvwjgames> hmm intresting
[20:38] <jvwjgames> i had two lines for cipher settings
[20:38] <jvwjgames> and apache2 didn't complain
[20:38] <jvwjgames> maybe why it was still triggering
[20:38] <jvwjgames> retesting
[20:39] <teward> well it shouldn't, you *can* override ciphers for specific sites, IIRC.
[20:42] <teward> nope still triggering :P
[20:42] <teward> (make sure to refresh your configs every time)
[20:45] <jvwjgames> ok i just copied and pasted the config from that site you gave and i am now retesting
[20:45] <jvwjgames> and yes i did a reload and even a restart
[20:45] <jvwjgames> of the apache2 service
[20:46] <teward> you might have something overriding it elsewhere in other configs, but IDK where that'd be.
[20:46] <teward> (I'm not an Apache expert)
[20:47] <jvwjgames> ok
[20:47] <joren> grep -R SSLCipherSuite /etc/apache2/
[20:47] <joren> ?
[20:48] <joren> I just changed mine to "SSLCipherSuite AES256+EECDH:AES256+EDH" and it got rid of the RC4 thing for me. We've been using that on our public site for a while now
[20:50] <jvwjgames> ok retesting
[20:53] <teward> joren: yeah that's a strong ciphersuite, although iirc that limits to TLSv1.2 but don't quote me on that
[20:53] <teward> mmm it has older ones, too, nevermind.
[20:53] <teward> the only problem is if you need the 128 strength ones in which case time to expand
[20:55] <jvwjgames> hmm
[20:55] <jvwjgames> still don't work
[20:56] <joren> did the grep reveal any other SSLCipherSuite lines? do you have the symlink at /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.conf?
[20:59] <joren> heh, that guy Robert Love has the same last name as me :)
[20:59] <joren> I'm waiting for the .love tld to come out :D
[21:01] <jvwjgames> The apache2 configtest failed. Not doing anything.
[21:01] <jvwjgames> Output of config test was:
[21:01] <jvwjgames> apache2: Syntax error on line 219 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 163 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default-ssl.conf: </IfModule> without matching <IfModule> section
[21:01] <jvwjgames> Action 'configtest' failed.
[21:01] <jvwjgames> The Apache error log may have more information.
[21:02] <jvwjgames> nevermind fixed it
[21:04] <jvwjgames> :D
[21:04] <jvwjgames> guys
[21:04] <jvwjgames> look
[21:04] <jvwjgames> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=jvwjgames.net
[21:05] <jvwjgames> joren: look
[21:06] <jvwjgames> teward: look
[21:06] <joren> Congrats
[21:07] <jvwjgames> i had tones of cipher settings in diffrent places i commented them out and put the chiper settings in apache.conf and it worked
[21:08] <teward> jvwjgames: your OCSP is borked, but i think that's Comodo's fault
[21:08] <joren> you're getting allot less cipher suite mismatches than me
[21:10] <jvwjgames> i am
[21:10] <jvwjgames> hmmm
[21:10] <joren> I think it's a good thing ;)
[21:12] <jvwjgames> thanks for your help guys
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-ci-eng | [00:18] <ToyKeeper> I see image 267 now. I don't see a notification about it though. Is 267 the new OTA target?
[07:46] <Mirv> dbarth_: note line 29 is not marked as Ready. please marke it so if that's an error.
[07:47] * sil2100 checks his mailbox for CI Train errors
[07:48] <Mirv> mandel: whtat's the status of line 12 (vivid) / 11 (rtm), will those land at some point?
[07:48] <Mirv> "Propagate the hash errors to the udm clients."
[07:48] <Mirv> if it's not yet in rtm I guess it won't be
[07:50] <dbarth_> Mirv: checking
[07:50] <dbarth_> Mirv: you can clear line 29; that one got merged into another silo
[07:51] <Mirv> dbarth_: ok!
[07:52] <Mirv> I see, line 21
[07:52] <jibel> sil2100, I'm out for an appointment, not sure I'll be back for the standup
[07:52] <sil2100> jibel: ACK
[07:53] <sil2100> jibel: how's the testing proceeding so far?
[07:53] <Mirv> jgdx: should you consider merging the three ubuntu-system-settings silos? only one can enter at a time, and with the QA signoff those won't be in vivid at this rate if done one by one, first waiting for the current u-s-s landing in silo 006 to go for QA signoff for publishing
[07:54] <jibel> sil2100, so far so good. nothing critical found yet, 27% tests left
[07:54] <Mirv> sil2100: or is there a limit of u-s-s MP:s to land in a single landing?
[07:54] <Mirv> I'm just worrying about the amount of weeks to get those bug fixes in with so many landings
[08:06] <sil2100> Mirv: there shouldn't be any limit, maybe besides URL length limits - but when that happens, we can assign the silo manually
[08:06] <Mirv> sil2100: ok
[08:12] <mandel> Mirv, agh! I forgot about that guy, yes!, but please, remove the silo, I probably need to redo some of the mrs
[08:26] <Mirv> mandel: ok! so remove silo and the rtm line but keep the vivid line available for later use?
[08:28] <mandel> Mirv, perfect, thx
[08:32] <ogra_> imgbot, status 166 vivid
[08:32] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2015-04-09 02:03:01 UTC, Finished: 2015-04-09 02:57:35 UTC
[08:32] <imgbot> Build URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-touch/+build/24714
[08:32] <imgbot> Changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/166.changes
[09:08] <bzoltan> Mirv: may I get a silo for the QtC landing?
[09:09] <Mirv> bzoltan: there would be one free silo yes, if you file a line
[09:09] <bzoltan> Mirv: #59
[09:09] <Mirv> bzoltan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/ ?
[09:09] <bzoltan> Mirv: I will give the silo back today
[09:10] <Mirv> are you on the old spreadsheet?
[09:11] <bzoltan> Mirv: ahh... new file. #53 it is
[09:11] <Mirv> I had to remove quite lot of my browser history entries to get rid of everything related to the old address (with "0au" in it)
[09:21] <ogra_> bzoltan, mzanetti, qtpim and ssl merged ...
[09:21] <mzanetti> nice!
[09:21] <bzoltan> ogra_: \o/ thanks
[09:24] <ogra_> bzoltan, also about your snappy question ... i think having a framework that easily enables you to create a snap for an external push-service poller/proxy for your app would be cool, so people can run a snappy cloud instance and do a one click install to get an external push service up and running
[09:24] <ogra_> tied directly into your application in the click
[09:25] <ogra_> bzoltan, do we have some place where we collect such ideas ?
[10:23] <bzoltan> ogra_: not yet
[10:26] <davmor2> ogra_: how do I use the bot to figure out what version 20 is on rtm stable please
[10:26] <davmor2> ogra_: rtm proposed even
[10:28] <ogra_> davmor2, teh bot only knows -proposed of either RTM or vivid
[10:29] <ogra_> hmm, i dont have a "latest" command, i shoudl probably add one :)
[10:29] <davmor2> ogra_: no worries I'll do it the old fashioned way :)
[10:29] <sil2100> jibel: good idea on the QA time-schedule graph, this is something really useful
[10:29] <ogra_> davmor2, well, i'll add such a function :)
[10:30] <ogra_> thanks for asking
[10:32] <davmor2> ogra_: thanks. It will be useful for knowing what proposed images to flash for testing factory→latest so for example we know that 224 was image 16, but we assume that most people will update so would be on 20 and not 16 any more if that makes sense :)
[10:33] <davmor2> ogra_: so we will still test 224 for ota but would also need to test 20 →21 too
[11:11] <jgdx> Mirv, ping
[11:14] <Mirv> pong
[11:29] <jgdx> Mirv, line 37 does not have a lot of backers it seems. I don't mind that not hitting vivid. Line 35 (arale fixes) is the most important one.
[11:31] <jgdx> I can't merge 35 and 36 since 36 is a bit risky.
[11:32] <popey> sil2100: i dont see calculator on https://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/qa-testing-requests-for-questions-ping-eu-jibel-us-jfunk-or-ubuntu-qa-on-ubuntu-ci-eng
[11:36] <popey> jibel: ^
[11:39] <rvr> popey: Do you want me to create a card for it?
[11:39] <popey> please
[11:39] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/calculator/com.ubuntu.calculator_2.0.153_all.click
[11:39] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/CalculatorAppManualTesting
[11:39] <popey> thats the click and the steps we use to manually test
[11:40] <Mirv> jgdx: ok, then those being separate makes sense. thanks!
[11:42] <rvr> popey: Done
[11:42] <jgdx> Mirv, thank you
[11:43] <sil2100> Yeah, the spreadsheet reverted the landing of course
[11:43] <sil2100> popey: sorry about that, I could have anticipated CI Train troubles erasing it
[11:48] <popey> thanks rvr, no worries sil2100
[11:53] <jibel> popey, if you submit the request on the spreadsheet the card should be added automatically.
[11:53] <jibel> sil2100, ^ it is still supported by the spreadsheet, isn't it?
[11:53] <popey> jibel: spreadsheet glitch I guess.
[11:54] <jibel> popey, ah no, it on a separate sheet with tarballs
[11:54] <jibel> and we didn't update the trellobot
[11:54] <jibel> +is
[11:54] <sil2100> jibel: ah, ok, so brendand_ still didn't re-target then
[11:54] <sil2100> Ok, nvm
[12:21] <ogra_> imgbot, last
[12:22] <ogra_> imgbot, last
[12:24] <ogra_> imgbot, last
[12:24] <imgbot> The last krillin RTM build is 267
[12:24] <imgbot> The last mako vivid build is 166
[12:24] <ogra_> davmor2, ^^^ there you go
[12:29] <davmor2> ogra_: Yay
[12:49] <sil2100> On it
[12:57] <sil2100> alexabreu: hey! Regarding silo 23 - the silo mentions only AP and doc fixes, but the following merge also seems to modify real code: https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/ubuntu-html5-theme/fix-ap-tests/+merge/255084
[12:59] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2: we might need to block OTA-3 on that wizard regression, john-mcaleely confirmed my worries that BQ might use it in the production line
[13:00] <sil2100> We would have to explicitly ask them not to use it until we have a fix
[13:00] <sil2100> Or just block on it
[13:00] <jibel> sil2100, ack
[13:00] * sil2100 waits for mterry
[13:01] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: did you get chance to look into the issue with the terms and conditions on the welcome wizard with mterry? I think he pinged you last night to start the discussion
[13:02] <chrisccoulson> davmor2, yesterday afternoon
[13:02] <chrisccoulson> The crash is fixed in the 1.6 branch of Oxide, which is going to be pushed out as a security update next week
[13:02] <alexabreu> sil2100, yes there were bugs uncovered by the AP test failures
[13:02] <alexabreu> sil2100, one bug actually
[13:03] <chrisccoulson> But the experience without the crash won't be acceptable, because it will use software compositing
[13:03] <pmcgowan> davmor2, we decided to live with it as this image is not going to be flashed on new phones
[13:05] <cwayne_> sil2100, we found a small regression in the today scope, it *may* be a quite small fix, looking into it right now
[13:05] <davmor2> pmcgowan: from what john-mcaleely has said to sil2100, sil2100 is prepared to block it because bq will be flashing it to phones
[13:05] <sil2100> alexabreu: hm, sadly in this case I would personally prefer QA to sign it off
[13:05] <sil2100> alexabreu: but let me consult them in a moment
[13:05] <sil2100> pmcgowan: john-mcaleely said it will be flashed on new phones in a factory probably
[13:06] <sil2100> pmcgowan: see my question on barajas
[13:06] <pmcgowan> sil2100, we already had this discussion, let me check
[13:06] <sil2100> If we can explicitly tell them not to, then I suppose we can live with it - if, of course, we get the proper fix
[13:07] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: awesome, that's great news :)
[13:15] <sil2100> chrisccoulson: what do you mean exactly?
[13:23] <sil2100> chrisccoulson: also, another important question: would we be able to get the fix this week still, at least as a distro-patch or something?
[13:27] <alexabreu> sil2100, I'll rebuild the silo w/o the AP test fix branch to land the others that are more urgent
[13:27] <alexabreu> sil2100, (about silo 23)
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> sil2100, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/1.6/+bug/1439829/comments/6
[13:28] <pmcgowan> chrisccoulson, so we need 1.7
[13:30] <sil2100> alexabreu: wait a moment
[13:30] <sil2100> alexabreu: I'll ask QA to take a quick look
[13:31] <sil2100> alexabreu: ok... I see it's too late ;p
[13:31] <alexabreu> sil2100, ah yeah :)
[13:31] <alexabreu> sil2100, I'll do it in 2 steps
[13:35] <sil2100> chrisccoulson: thanks, when is the earliest we can get oxide 1.7?
[13:37] <sil2100> chrisccoulson: since this bug might actually block our OTA-3 update and similar, we would actually need a fix (or even a workaround, anything!) ASAP
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> sil2100, 1.7 is not ready for OTA. That's bleeding edge stuff
[13:39] <sil2100> Ouch
[13:39] <sil2100> chrisccoulson: can you join pmcgowan's hangout?
[13:39] <sil2100> I'll be there in a minute
[13:47] <sil2100> We're saved \o/
[13:54] <alexabreu> sil2100, you can land silo 23
[13:55] <bfiller> jibel: will QA have time today to test some of the silos that are ready? there are bunch in the queue
[13:55] <jibel> bfiller, yes we'll find some time.
[13:56] <bfiller> jibel: great, thanks. wrapping up our sprint this week and hoping to land some of these
[13:58] <sil2100> alexabreu: o/
[13:59] <sil2100> alexabreu: hmm, did you reconfigure?
[14:03] <alexabreu> sil2100, no just rebuild, dont think I needed to reconfigure do I?
[14:05] <sil2100> alexabreu: yeah, removal of an MP needs a reconfigure - let me do it, I think a no-op build should be enoohg
[14:05] <sil2100> On it now
[14:05] <jibel> sil2100, for info bug 1442156
[14:06] <sil2100> jibel: private bug?
[14:06] <jibel> sil2100, yes
[14:07] <alexabreu> sil2100, sil2100 thx
[14:11] <alexabreu> sil2100, do I need to re +1 silo 23?
[14:12] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-html5-theme/add-docs-package/+merge/255279 needs approval ;)
[14:14] <mhall119> alexabreu: ^^
[14:14] <mhall119> is that branch still the one we want, or did you and dholbach replace it?
[14:14] <rvr> popey: The reminders app update had lots of strings.
[14:14] <alexabreu> mhall119, still the one we want
[14:15] <popey> rvr: yeah, we left it for a few days for the translators to do their stuff
[14:15] <alexabreu> sil2100, +1'd it
[14:15] <popey> rvr: which is why I didn't ask for QA last week
[14:15] <rvr> popey: I translated it to Spanish
[14:15] <popey> rvr: awesome, I wanted QA to approve it (but om26er found a couple of bugs) and then I'd re-submit with only language updates
[14:15] <popey> and put that in the store
[14:16] <rvr> popey: The one that comes in the RTM image, is not public yet?
[14:16] <kgunn> sil2100: hey, quick one...on this bug, i linked to your infamous "commit" report...did i match it up correctly ?
[14:16] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1441822
[14:17] <sil2100> kgunn: hey! Looks to be the right thing - why is it infamous?! ;p
[14:18] <popey> rvr: we haven't updated the one in RTM recently
[14:18] <popey> rvr: thats why I submitted to QA
[14:18] <sil2100> Well, some info might me missing from it as it takes the data from the spreadsheet
[14:18] <kgunn> sil2100: cause it's use to go spank people that released stuff that resulted in a bug for me :D
[14:18] <sil2100> hah!
[14:18] <sil2100> ;)
[14:18] <sil2100> But yeah, that's the commitlog for #125, and since it seems it's broken with that image, I guess we can narrow down the source now
[14:19] <rvr> popey: I got the local/Evernote login dialog in English at start, that I didn't see before.
[14:19] <popey> rvr: what version of reminders you using?
[14:20] <rvr> popey: I'm regression testing image 266
[14:20] <rvr> Let me check
[14:20] <popey> rvr: the latest reminders isnt in that image
[14:20] <popey> rvr: r400 is what we wanted to go in, but it failed
[14:21] <rvr> com.ubuntu.reminders 0.5.380
[14:24] <sil2100> chrisccoulson: if you could give me and pmcgowan a poke once the oxide is ready in a PPA then it would be awesome
[14:24] <sil2100> alexabreu: publishing then
[14:24] <alexabreu> sil2100, thx
[14:26] <sil2100> alexabreu: grrr, need to rebuild again, changelog wrong, doing that now ;/
[14:55] <dbarth> hey trainguards; i'm getting jenkins build issues due to a gpg signature error in silo 28
[14:55] <dbarth> is there an outage somewhere?
[14:56] <om26er> Kaleo, ping
[14:56] <om26er> Kaleo, silo15 fails testing, see comment here: https://trello.com/c/JACWoVDb/1349-ubuntu-landing-015-qtubuntu-camera-bfiller-kaleo
[14:57] <sil2100> dbarth: let me take a look
[14:59] <dbarth> sil2100: ah no, that worked for armhf, i386, etc.
[14:59] <dbarth> sil2100: but not for some 64-bit platforms now
[15:01] <sil2100> dbarth: hm, this CI Train error might be a bug anyway
[15:06] <dbarth> sil2100: can i land the silo as-is (once tested) or will that take a rebuild for the error platforms?
[15:06] <sil2100> dbarth: I think we need the platforms rebuilt somehow, since if CI Train tracks those then it means they're in the archive
[15:06] <dbarth> the merge proposals block another one for a tst library down the line
[15:06] <dbarth> hmm, ok
[15:06] <sil2100> dbarth: we'd have to ask an archive admin to remove them if those platforms are to be dropped
[15:07] <sil2100> Which is possible, but I guess we would have to have good argumentation for that :)
[15:07] <dbarth> sil2100: and can i retrigger the build directly in the ppa for the failed arches?
[15:08] <sil2100> dbarth: I'll do it, the code for this is still not deployed :)
[15:08] <dbarth> hmm, at leat i cannot; no button for me
[15:08] <dbarth> ah!
[15:08] <dbarth> sil2100: cool, thanks
[15:09] <Kaleo> om26er, you're switching the camera while it's focusing?
[15:09] <sil2100> dbarth: re-triggered
[15:10] <Kaleo> om26er, and it was not happening before?
[15:10] <Kaleo> om26er, (that's on BQ?)
[15:10] <om26er> Kaleo, it happens during focus, yes. But I also see a hang if I wait for it to focus
[15:11] <om26er> Kaleo, yes krillin
[15:11] <om26er> I reverted back the package and it was not happening, re-installed the silo and issue is back.
[15:11] <Kaleo> om26er, focus, wait 10 seconds, switch camera, still broken?
[15:13] <om26er> Kaleo, hmm, seems it happens when I try to switch while its focusing
[15:13] <Kaleo> om26er, right
[15:17] <Kaleo> om26er, taking a look
[15:35] <dholbach> alexabreu, sil2100: I don't have that much experience with the silo process and everything, but http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/ says "Can't publish: Packaging changes need manual ACKing." for silo23
[15:35] <dholbach> who can approve it?
[15:35] <alexabreu> dholbach, sil2100 ...
[15:36] <sil2100> On it
[15:36] <sil2100> Sorry, meetings ;/
[15:37] <sil2100> dholbach: you're a core-dev, right?
[15:37] <dholbach> yes
[15:38] <sil2100> dholbach: ok, so I suppose you signed off both, let me publish then
[15:38] <dholbach> thanks a lot sil2100
[15:40] <sil2100> bfiller: I noticed one of the dialer-app tests got disabled in the silo 14 landing - is that correct?
[15:40] <sil2100> bfiller: I'm a bit worried that there's a lot of things that are not mentioned in the changelog
[15:41] <bfiller> sil2100: it's a new test that was written and that is not working yet
[15:42] <bfiller> sil2100: we wanted to leave it in the MR even though it's not ready yet
[15:42] <bfiller> sil2100: the MR fixes the bug mentioned only, and adds test infrasturcutre
[15:43] <sil2100> bfiller: ah, ok, now all those deps make sense
[15:43] <sil2100> So they're not really used yet, right?
[15:44] <bfiller> sil2100: if all the tests are disabled then no they are not used yet, salem_ are all the tests disabled on the branch or just some?
[15:45] <sil2100> bfiller: ok, I'll approve this anyway, but please try making sure next time (when the tests are enabled) the dep-additions are mentioned
[15:46] <dholbach> sil2100, maybe it's documented somewhere, but ... what is the abyss in the silo context? :)
[15:46] <bfiller> sil2100: ok, thanks
[15:46] <sil2100> dholbach: hah ;)
[15:46] <sil2100> dholbach: that means it's published, but didn't pop up in the -proposed pocket yet
[15:46] <sil2100> It's a good state
[15:46] <sil2100> It's just in transit
[15:46] <dholbach> ok
[15:46] <alexabreu> dholbach, you are too eager ;)
[15:46] <dholbach> I guess that's because the -doc packages are in binNEW?
[15:47] <dholbach> alexabreu, the API website deployment is sort of blocked on this
[15:47] <sil2100> Oh! WAIT, crap
[15:47] <sil2100> DAMN
[15:47] <sil2100> Archive admins will be mad at me...
[15:48] <sil2100> Because it was an upload from you dholbach, I didn't actually check the packaging diff, and I was supposed to first ask for an ACK from archive admins
[15:48] <sil2100> Oooh boy, I'll get beaten for it
[15:49] <sil2100> Oh well
[15:50] <ogra_> sil2100, now all beer for infinity might be on you during the sprint ...
[15:50] <dholbach> probably not... it's just an added -doc package - we need it to populate developer.ubuntu.com/api
[15:50] <sil2100> slangasek, infinity: hey guys, I made a big no no
[15:51] <sil2100> slangasek, infinity: I mean, I published dholbach silo that adds a new bin package without first approving it with an AA
[15:51] <slangasek> sil2100: which package?
[15:51] <sil2100> slangasek, infinity: can you take a look and do a post-publish ACK? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-023-2-publish/14/artifact/ubuntu-html5-theme_packaging_changes.diff <-
[15:52] <sil2100> slangasek, infinity: sorry for that, I let my guard down since it was a core-dev upload ;)
[15:52] <dholbach> sil2100, slangasek, infinity: I wasn't quite aware of the protocol - sorry about that.
[15:53] <sil2100> dholbach: no worries, it's something I should do on my side ;)
[15:53] <sil2100> I just missed it
[15:53] <slangasek> sil2100: a *doc* package?! you fiend
[15:53] <sil2100> YES
[15:54] <sil2100> I can perform seppuku if you just say a word
[15:54] <ogra_> didnt happen if there isnt a video !
[15:55] <slangasek> sil2100, infinity: acked
[15:55] <sil2100> slangasek: thanks o/
[15:57] <dholbach> sil2100, I'm glad I pinged you about it again :)
[16:02] <sil2100> robru: ping
[16:03] <robru> sil2100: oh hey
[16:07] <salem_> bfiller, all new tests are disabled
[16:29] <robru> bfiller: silo 7 needs to be rebuilt due to new revisions
[16:33] <om26er_> popey, Hi!
[16:33] <popey> om26er_: yo!
[16:33] <sil2100> chrisccoulson: ping
[16:33] <om26er_> popey, calculator seems to be a totally different app, seems its missing its icon
[16:33] <popey> it is a totally different app :)
[16:34] <popey> icon is known.
[16:34] <om26er_> popey, so what kind of testing is needed for it ? do you want to land that in vivid image ?
[16:34] <popey> om26er_: see the etherpad link?
[16:34] <popey> om26er_: it could be tested on rtm or vivid
[16:35] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/CalculatorAppManualTesting
[16:35] <om26er_> popey, right, thats fine. I just want to make sure its not something thats going to land as is
[16:36] <popey> om26er_: okay, thanks for checking.
[16:54] <dbarth> hey sil2100; on silo 28, we just miss amd64 now
[16:58] <om26er_> lool, Hi! what kind of testing does the ubuntu-touch-meta require ?
[17:02] <lool> om26er_: it's noted in the spreadsheet, but essentially just confirming you can still install apps
[17:02] <lool> om26er_: it's basically a forward feature to allow having 15.04 apps in the store, but right now it doesn't change anything
[17:02] <lool> it's really a trivial change I'm afraid
[17:03] <om26er_> lool, great, thats good to know.
[17:03] <sil2100> dbarth: is it again a key-failure?
[17:09] <oSoMoN> trainguards: is the spreadsheet operational to request a new silo?
[17:10] <sil2100> oSoMoN: yes, currently no issues are visible, let me change the topic
[17:11] <oSoMoN> sil2100, cool, can I have a silo for line 57 then, please?
[17:19] <sil2100> oSoMoN: sure
[17:19] <sil2100> hmm
[17:20] <sil2100> Wait, actually we don't have enough silos I think
[17:20] <om26er> popey, are the designs for the calculator approved ? well it seems not "crispy"
[17:20] <popey> what does "crispy" mean? :)
[17:22] <sil2100> om26er: I think design actually requested all of this
[17:22] <popey> om26er: but to answer your question, we have approval from design for this release, and further design changes are yet to come.
[17:22] <sil2100> It's the redesign of a redesign
[17:22] <popey> yeah, they asked for this
[17:22] <sil2100> ;D
[17:22] <popey> no, there's more to come! :D
[17:22] <sil2100> OH NO, redesign of the redesign of a redesign?
[17:22] <popey> if the developers can stay motivated enough to re-re-design a freaking calculator!
[17:22] <sil2100> That's incalculation
[17:25] <om26er> popey, does the app come with automation, I wonder ?
[17:25] <popey> eh?
[17:28] <om26er> popey, calculator used to have lots of autopilot tests, can you please share the reboot branch ?
[17:29] <om26er> I couldn't find it
[17:29] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calculator-dev/ubuntu-calculator-app/reboot
[17:32] <om26er> I wonder why would people favorite their old calculations :p
[17:37] <popey> om26er: mzanetti is fixing the bug you found in reminders
[17:37] <popey> om26er: but the crasher you found is not a regression, we know about that one for a while.
[17:38] <popey> om26er: so once fixed, I'll resubmit (shall I just move the card back to the left lane?)
[17:38] <popey> jibel said om26er might be able to fast-track the test rather than re-test everything
[17:40] <mzanetti> s/crasher/freeze/
[17:40] <mzanetti> hang
[17:40] <popey> yeah, that
[17:42] <om26er> popey, sure, he gave me a heads up in our standuo.
[17:47] <rvr> popey: Music app. We have a regression test for tracks that have "Unkown" genre. I am copying albums with that, and I see nothing in the Genres section.
[17:47] <rvr> Unknown
[17:48] * rvr comparing with the stable release.
[17:49] <rvr> Bah, the version is the same
[17:50] <popey> Not a regression :)
[17:51] <rvr> popey: Did the behavior changed?
[17:52] <popey> From when to when?
[17:52] <rvr> From when the last time we run this regression test
[17:52] <popey> thats hard for me to say because I have no idea when you last ran it.
[17:52] <rvr> popey: I mean, is the expection still valid?
[17:53] <popey> rvr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1396971
[17:53] <popey> intentional.
[17:56] <rvr> I see
[17:56] <bfiller> robru: rebuilding
[17:57] <Kaleo> om26er, still around?
[17:57] <om26er> Kaleo, yes
[17:58] <Kaleo> om26er, I pushed a fix, silo 15 is rebuilding
[17:58] <Kaleo> om26er, please let me know if it fixes it for you
[18:02] <charles> renatu, there were a couple of other landings in datetime this week. Silo 8's branch needs to be synced to it and I haven't gotten around to it yet
[18:02] <charles> renatu, I'll do that now
[18:17] <kgunn> Mirv: you around ?
[18:24] <Kaleo> om26er, silo 15 is now ready with new packages including the tentative fix
[18:24] <om26er> Kaleo, I already picked it from the ppa, seems to fix the issue I reported
[18:24] <Kaleo> om26er, great
[18:24] <Kaleo> om26er, :)
[18:35] <robru> bfiller: thanks. I think the new commits are just ap tests, so just give it a quick smoke test, shouldn't need a full qa run
[18:35] <bfiller> robru: ack
[18:35] <popey> om26er: I've uploaded a new click for calculator to http://people.canonical.com/~alan/calculator/com.ubuntu.calculator_2.0.155_all.click - any chance you could install it and give me a +1 that the icon is fixed?
[18:36] <om26er> popey, right now I am testing camera-app fix, will get back to that in a bit
[18:36] <popey> om26er: ok, I've added the link to the card, and will move it as a reminder
[18:36] <popey> om26er: no I won't, I don't have access to
[18:57] <bfiller> robru: silo 7 is good to go
[18:57] <robru> bfiller: great thanks
[19:02] <robru> lool: looks like your u-t-m conflicts with an upload ogra did direct to distro, can you coordinate with him?
[19:25] <om26er> popey, icon looks good now
[19:25] <popey> thanks om26er
[19:26] <popey> sil2100: when are you planning to rebuild the image?
[19:26] <popey> om26er: shortly I'll have a reminders click for you which fixes the issue you had with text disappearing.
[19:27] <om26er> popey, sure.
[20:07] <popey> pmcgowan: we've had the *new* calculator app approved by QA. Am I okay to upload to the store?
[20:07] <popey> pmcgowan: It looks quite different from the existing calculator.
[20:08] <popey> pmcgowan: like this.. http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-04-03-135433.png
[20:10] <pmcgowan> what are the left arrow and checkmark for
[20:10] <pmcgowan> popey,
[20:10] <popey> backspace and square root
[20:11] <pmcgowan> what happened to the clear button
[20:11] <popey> long press on backspace
[20:11] <pmcgowan> guess thats backspace
[20:11] <pmcgowan> ok
[20:11] <popey> new design from design team
[20:11] <pmcgowan> looks nicer
[20:11] <popey> ya, it is.
[20:11] <popey> less blue :)
[20:11] <pmcgowan> too much white though
[20:11] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/calculator/com.ubuntu.calculator_2.0.155_all.click
[20:11] <popey> if you want to play
[20:12] <pmcgowan> it has a bottom edge it seems
[20:12] <pmcgowan> maybe we should run it by joe
[20:12] <popey> yes
[20:12] <popey> want me to mail him?
[20:12] <pmcgowan> yes please
[20:13] <popey> It would be unfortunate for him to bounce it given we've been through this with design.
[20:15] <pmcgowan> popey, I am sure he will approve but feel better asking
[20:15] <popey> ok
[20:16] <pmcgowan> in case design never shared
[20:16] <popey> will mail now
[20:27] <robru> wow, two free silos, I think that's a record high for this week. anybody around to use one?
[20:28] <jgdx> bfiller, good test on silo 6.
[20:29] <bfiller> jgdx: great, thanks
[20:29] <popey> om26er: added a new reminders click which fixes the issue you found, if you could re-test that and let me know that would be _awesome_
[20:29] <jgdx> bfiller, should be noted that I saw 14GB, which is not 16GB, but far from ~2GB.
[20:32] <pmcgowan> popey, sounds like joe is +1
[20:34] <popey> excellent
[20:34] <popey> pmcgowan: do you know when we plan to spin a new image?
[20:34] <popey> (not entirely related to the upload)
[20:35] <pmcgowan> popey, any min, as soon as oxide is built
[20:35] <popey> ok
[21:22] <sil2100> I see oxide armhf still building
[21:23] <sil2100> Will probably take 2 more hours
[21:23] <sil2100> cwayne_: did you publish the new custom? :)
[21:26] <cwayne_> sil2100, yep :)
[22:30] <alesage> sil2100, would you ping me and/or ToyKeeper when the new oxide is available?
[22:30] <ToyKeeper> Yes, please. :)
[22:30] <ToyKeeper> I get distracted too easily to poll for updates.
[22:53] <sil2100> Looking
[22:53] <sil2100> It's almost done
[22:53] <sil2100> The armhf binaries are still pending publication
[22:54] <sil2100> Once that's done, I'll copy them over to a silo PPA and try to publish
[22:57] <alesage> ok thx sil2100
[22:58] <sil2100> brb in around ~20 mins, it should be available by then I suppose
[22:58] <alesage> sil2100, ack thx
[23:27] <sil2100> Ok, packages copied to the silo PPA
[23:27] <sil2100> Now a watch only build, publish, wait for migration and I kick a new image
[23:27] <sil2100> pmcgowan: ^
[23:29] <sil2100> It's late here, but I'll be around to do all those
[23:36] <sil2100> The train's taking its sweet time
[23:38] <ToyKeeper> sil2100: Is anything needed for rtm-000 aside from the silo's PPA? (rtm krillin 267 + ppa)
[23:39] <ToyKeeper> Er, rtm krillin 268 it seems?
[23:40] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: no :)
[23:41] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: but as per what me and jibel agreed - no need to sign-off the silo itself, I'll publish it straight away and then oxide will be tested in the new image
[23:41] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: what you could do in the meantime I guess is checking if it's not badly broken
[23:41] <sil2100> Like, install silo 000 and see if browser works
[23:41] <sil2100> Not sure if it makes sense to test more, I'll publish it instantly
[23:42] <ToyKeeper> sil2100: Okay, fair enough. Do you know if the fix for bug 1442156 (today scope, location) will be in that image too?
[23:42] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: from what I know it's already published, cwayne_ included those in the custom tarball that has been uploaded
[23:43] <ToyKeeper> Okay, so that was in 268, and the oxide fix will be in 269?
[23:43] <ToyKeeper> I just want to make sure I'm testing the right bits.
[23:44] <cwayne_> righto, i've pushed
[23:45] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: yes :)
[23:45] <sil2100> Ok, oxide published, let's wait for it to migrate
[23:45] <sil2100> I'll kick a new build then, imgbot will be your guide
[23:55] <sil2100> It should migrate with the next run
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-si | [05:16] <napsy> jutro
[06:46] <idioterna> o
[06:46] <idioterna> guten morgen DPA
[06:50] <zdobersek> GUTEN MORGEN BND
[06:54] <zdobersek> GNOME AY AY https://instagram.com/p/1L95FDv9Ks/
[06:54] <Seniorita> Instagram
[06:54] <Seniorita> »“#Linux”«
[06:57] <napsy> l o l
[07:06] <yang> .vreme lj
[07:06] <jabuk> ARSO: Ljubljana (299m): 3°C @09.04.2015 6:00 UTC.
[07:06] <jabuk> Vlažnost: 84% vzhodnik 0.5 m/s zmerno oblačno
[07:06] <jabuk> Sončni vzhod: 04:28:33, Kulminacija: 11:04:36, Sončni zahod: 17:40:39
[07:06] <jabuk> Dan je dolg: 13ur 12min 05s, Luna je v ščipu
[08:29] <jabuk> M 1.4 > 7.km S od ŠENTJERNEJA @09/04/2015 10:21:01 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.9+N,+15.31+E
[08:52] <CrazyLemon> .rt
[08:52] <jabuk> Trenutno se predvaja: Kovacs - Diggin'.
[08:53] <upd> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf4h9FEKb5E taj ql :)
[08:53] <Seniorita> Dixie Storms by Lone Justice - YouTube
[08:53] <Seniorita> »I don't hold the rights to any of this, just made it because I love storms, open fields and Georgia. And yeah, the song too :) Hope you enjoy. Album: "Shelte...«
[08:53] <jabuk> Windows’ firewall http://i.imgur.com/jmMDbiZ.gif
[10:55] <Seniorita> [Ubuntu Security] USN-2565-1: Linux kernel vulnerabilities http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2565-1/
[10:55] <zdobersek> opa!
[10:56] <Sky[x]> ?
[10:56] <Seniorita> [Ubuntu Security] USN-2564-1: Linux kernel (Utopic HWE) vulnerabilities http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2564-1/
[10:56] <zdobersek> OPA!
[11:11] <slax0r> opa - premozenjsko zavarovanje?
[12:15] <dz0ny> http://106.186.25.143/kuku-kube/en-3/
[12:15] <Seniorita> Kuku Kube
[12:16] <dz0ny> lvl 22
[12:17] <CrazyLemon> kateri lvl si pa pri kuku Lele?
[12:17] <zdobersek> 177
[12:18] <zdobersek> 17*
[12:27] <CrazyLemon> lvl 16.. ampak to zato ker moj monitor sux!
[12:27] <CrazyLemon> no pa tudi zato ker imam očala
[12:28] <napsy> 26
[12:33] <Sky[x]> fak jst sploh n upam povedat kol sem mel gled na vase rezultate :>
[12:38] <LorD_DDooM> 26
[12:40] <LorD_DDooM> 28 v drugo
[12:58] <slax0r> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0blna8mn3770twr/Screenshot%202015-04-09%2014.57.58.png?dl=0
[12:58] <Seniorita> Dropbox - Screenshot 2015-04-09 14.57.58.png
[12:58] <idioterna> is that my score?
[12:58] <idioterna> it says it's my score.
[12:58] <idioterna> the computer should know
[13:01] <slax0r> bigscreen: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ch75ozcp0s8z0r0/Screenshot%202015-04-09%2015.01.26.png?dl=0
[13:01] <Seniorita> Dropbox - Screenshot 2015-04-09 15.01.26.png
[13:02] <slax0r> idioterna: they are all yours, I stoled them, mwahaha
[13:02] <slax0r> p.s.: vem da je stole...
[13:02] <idioterna> stealed!
[13:03] <idioterna> kasn primorc pa si.
[13:03] <slax0r> mal napacna stran slovenije :P
[13:03] <jabuk> when a “quick guide” project of an interesting library doesn’t work http://i.imgur.com/tZHZvNq.gif
[13:48] <Seniorita> [Ubuntu.si] angelinap: RE: Digitalno potrdilo Sigenca https://www.ubuntu.si/forum/discussion/comment/42877#Comment_42877
[16:15] <zdobersek> hva zj
[16:24] <sasa84> juhuuuu
[16:29] <zdobersek> sasa84: AA!!!
[17:56] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek js sm danes bil na kolesu.. pa ti?!?!?
[17:56] <CrazyLemon> ツ
[17:57] <zdobersek> aha
[17:57] <zdobersek> wat en emoji!
[17:58] <CrazyLemon> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:59] <zdobersek> het ist neight normaal
[18:19] <dz0ny> stihu gredico
[18:59] <CrazyLemon> 😁
[19:18] <CrazyLemon> stupid ddos
[19:23] <dz0ny> al vps
[19:23] <dz0ny> :)
[19:23] <dz0ny> bom se enkrat vprasal ce rabis bouncerja
[19:31] <CrazyLemon> bom še enkrat odgovoril..ne rabim ツ
[19:51] <Seniorita> [Ubuntu Security] USN-2566-1: dpkg vulnerability http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2566-1/
[20:23] <CrazyLemon> https://ldd.tbe.taleo.net/ldd01/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=968
[20:23] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny ^
[20:49] <sasa84> ooo, lejga CrazyLemon
[20:50] <sasa84> elow dz0ny ;)
[20:53] <dz0ny> hi boys and gir
[20:53] <dz0ny> girl*
[20:54] <sasa84> ^^
[20:54] <sasa84> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiSNrq8lap4
[20:54] <Seniorita> Florence + The Machine - Ship To Wreck (Official Audio) - YouTube
[20:54] <Seniorita> »Taken from the album ‘How Big How Blue How Beautiful’ released 1.6.15 – get ‘Ship to Wreck’ instantly when you pre-order on iTunes: http://po.st/HBHBHBiTD – ...«
[20:58] <dz0ny> .yt st jude florence
[20:58] <jabuk> Florence + The Machine - St Jude (5 minut) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEMSJf723BI ♥24,950 ▶1,685,513
[20:58] <dz0ny> ^^ sasa84
[21:02] <sasa84> dobr spot
[21:38] <sasa84> nč miškice...šibam pančkat ;)
[21:42] <idioterna> lahko noc
[21:49] <dz0ny> ln from me too | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.992604 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-africa | [05:54] <Kilos> morning africa
[07:51] <Kilos> hi ongolaBoy kenju254 and others
[12:50] <kenju254> hi Kilos
[12:50] <kenju254> ola
[12:50] <Kilos> all good here kenju254 and there?
[12:50] <kenju254> Kilos: things going fine..
[12:50] <Kilos> good
[12:51] <kenju254> on my side as well.. just been caught up with a lot of work that wasn't dev related and had lost touch with irc
[12:54] <Kilos> np as long as you dont forget us, ive got some guys working on a nice fast site for us and that should help spread the word | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:11.994811 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-vn | [08:57] <vubuntor449> Chao moi nguoi. Minh la nguoi moi chuyen sang dung linux. Hien nay minh co 1 thac mac muon nho mi nguoi giup do ve viec cai dat ibus-unikey cho linux mint.
[08:58] <C4NoC> có ai hỏi ibus-unikey hả?
[08:58] <vubuntor449> Minh ne
[09:00] <vubuntor449> Minh muon hoi la tai sao sau khi minh cai dat ibus-unikey tren linux mint 17. Da hien thi chu V goc duoi man hinh. Nhung van khong go duoc tieng viet
[09:00] <C4NoC> thế cài scim-unikey vào nhé
[09:00] <C4NoC> :V
[09:00] <C4NoC> rồi đợi 10 năm nữa
[09:00] <C4NoC> may ra fix được :V
[09:00] <vubuntor449> :v
[09:00] <vubuntor449> ibus ko chay duoc tren mint 17 ha ban
[09:02] <Stanley00> vubuntor449: bạn gõ vni hay telex?
[09:02] <vubuntor449> Minh chi biet go telex thoi :)
[09:08] <lewtds> vubuntor449: bạn cài ibus-unikey như thế nào?
[09:08] <lewtds> có phải là apt-get install ibus-unikey?
[09:08] <vubuntor045> dung roi do :v
[09:09] <vubuntor045> them sudo truoc nua :V
[09:09] <lewtds> cài thêm ibus-gtk, ibus-gtk3, ibus-qt nữa
[09:09] <lewtds> Stanley00: em nghi là Mint nó ignore recommended dependency
[09:11] <Stanley00> lewtds: à, chịu thôi, /me chưa dùng mint nên không rành lắm
[09:11] <lewtds> lần trước /me gặp phải rồi, khó chịu vl
[09:11] <lewtds> toàn những cái mật thiết vs nhau mà k chịu cài
[09:11] <vubuntor045> minh tim trong cai input method cha thay cai ibus nao ca =)). seach tren mang suot ma chang co
[09:11] <lewtds> apt-get install ibus-gtk ibus-gtk3 ibus-qt
[09:12] <vubuntor045> cai ibus-qt ko co chi co cai qt4 thoi :)
[09:12] <lewtds> ờ thì cài cái đó vào
[09:12] * lewtds k nhớ tên chính xác
[09:13] <vubuntor045> gio lam gi tiep ban :)
[09:13] <vubuntor045> de minh thu logout xem no co nhan khong :)
[09:15] <vubuntor256> :v
[09:15] <vubuntor256> hơ
[09:15] <vubuntor256> Được rồi :) thank bạn :)
[09:15] <lewtds> okay đây là lỗi đặc trưng với mint
[09:16] <lewtds> nếu bạn dùng ubuntu hay debian ý
[09:16] <vubuntor256> để mình ghi lại :) kẻo quên :))
[09:16] <lewtds> thì khi cài ibus-unikey, nó sẽ kéo theo ibus, kéo theo cái đám kia
[09:16] <lewtds> nhưng trên mint
[09:16] <lewtds> nó ignore những cái dependency nào đánh dấu là "recommended", tức là cái đám kia
[09:16] <vubuntor256> :v
[09:17] <vubuntor256> uhm bạn :v . tại mình ko vào được diễn đàn để hỏi
[09:17] <vubuntor256> chả hiểu sao vừa bắt mạng thì lại bị bảo là spamer
[09:18] <lewtds> bạn có thể sửa file /etc/apt/apt.conf để nó tự cài các gói recommended giống ubuntu
[09:18] <lewtds> APT::Install-Recommends "true";
[09:19] <Stanley00> vubuntor256: diễn đàn giờ read-only rồi bạn, có gì thì cứ lên đây, hoặc facebook thôi
[09:19] <vubuntor256> :)
[09:19] <lewtds> Stanley00: sao k thấy thông báo trên trang chủ nhỉ?
[09:19] <vubuntor256> uhm. mình đâu biết đâu. lục quanh cái trang chủ chỉ thấy cái mục hỗ trợ trực tuyến nên vào lun :)
[09:20] <lewtds> afterlastangel: http://ask.ubuntu-vn.org/
[09:20] <SuperLuserv3> [ Oops! 403 Forbidden ] - ask.ubuntu-vn.org
[09:20] <lewtds> 403
[09:20] <afterlastangel> ????
[09:20] <afterlastangel> ><
[09:20] <afterlastangel> hic hic
[09:20] <afterlastangel> :(
[09:20] <Stanley00> lewtds: à, cái ask thì /me không biết, /me nói cái forum thôi
[09:20] <Stanley00> lewtds: ask thì bị vậy lâu rồi, hỏi an khanhpt thử xem
[09:21] <vubuntor256> à
[09:21] <vubuntor256> cái file đó
[09:21] <vubuntor256> tìm chẳng có
[09:21] <vubuntor256> :)
[09:22] <vubuntor256> nhưng lại tìm được dòng tương tự ở file khác :v
[09:22] <lewtds> file nào?
[09:23] * lewtds đang k trên Ubuntu nên cũng k check được
[09:23] <vubuntor256> 00recommends ở apt.conf.d
[09:23] <vubuntor256> phải dùng quyền sudo mới sửa được :v
[09:23] <lewtds> à, vậy là họ tách ra file riêng rồi
[09:24] <lewtds> đúng rồi, mấy file ở /etc phải sudo hết mà
[09:24] <vubuntor256> mình hỏi xíu ::)
[09:24] <lewtds> ?
[09:24] <vubuntor256> cái cấu trúc lẹnh sudo gedit như thế nào bạn :)
[09:25] <lewtds> k hiểu?
[09:25] <vubuntor256> à được rồi :))
[09:25] <vubuntor256> ý mình là cái path của file ấy =))
[09:25] <vubuntor256> kéo thả vào nó nhận lun
[09:25] <vubuntor256> y như cmd bên win :)
[09:25] <lewtds> uh huh
[09:25] <lewtds> hoặc sudo gedit <đường dẫn đến file>
[09:26] <lewtds> khi bạn gõ đường dẫn thì có auto complete
[09:26] <lewtds> gõ tab vài phát vào
[09:26] <vubuntor256> tại mình chỉ biết mỗi 1 cách là dùng lệnh để dùng quyền sửa file hệ thống thôi :))
[09:26] <lewtds> đó là cách thường dùng rồi
[09:27] <vubuntor256> :v trước toàn đọc hướng dẫn nên cứ copy paste :v
[09:28] <vubuntor256> mình vừa tải 1 file
[09:28] <vubuntor256> firefox-37.0.1.tar.bz2
[09:29] <vubuntor256> làm cách nào để cài nhĩ :)
[09:29] <lewtds> chắc là bạn cũng đọc tiếng anh tốt
[09:29] <lewtds> nếu muốn tìm hiểu tử tế thì nên đọc nhiều man page
[09:29] <lewtds> man intro
[09:29] <lewtds> man man-pages
[09:29] <CoconutCrab> compile firefox kìa
[09:29] <CoconutCrab> 3:
[09:29] <lewtds> CoconutCrab: build rồi mà = )
[09:30] <lewtds> giải nén nó ra rồi đọc README
[09:30] <lewtds> tar -xf <tên file>
[09:31] <C4NoC> :3
[09:31] <CoconutCrab> tưởng đang dùng firefox chát sẵn rồi cài gì nữa
[09:31] <CoconutCrab> :v
[09:31] <C4NoC> CoconutCrab: prebuild rồi
[09:31] <C4NoC> :3
[09:31] <C4NoC> CoconutCrab: xùy, người ta muốn xài fx 37
[09:32] <C4NoC> ai như CoconutCrab, giờ vẫn 3.6
[09:32] <CoconutCrab> 37 rồi mà?
[09:32] <CoconutCrab> mới update hôm qua
[09:32] <lewtds> mint repo k update lên 37 hả?
[09:33] <vubuntor256> :)
[09:33] <vubuntor256> vào file fox
[09:33] <vubuntor256> update xong xuôi
[09:33] <Stanley00> vubuntor256: lần sau dùng gui thì gksu hoặc ksudo nha bạn, đừng dùng sudo với mấy app có gui
[09:33] <vubuntor256> chả thấy báo update gì :)
[09:33] <lewtds> 29
[09:33] <vubuntor256> mấy lệnh đó khác nhau gì vậy bạn :)
[09:33] <lewtds> trên linux thì các app k tự update được đâu
[09:33] <lewtds> phải qua apt-get hết
[09:34] <lewtds> bảo mật
[09:34] <C4NoC> lewtds: chắc nó invoke gksu apt-get update
[09:34] <Stanley00> vubuntor256: bạn đọc chỗ này nhé http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo
[09:34] <SuperLuserv3> [ Running Sudo Graphically ] - www.psychocats.net
[09:34] <CoconutCrab> psychocats?
[09:35] <lewtds> totally /me
[09:35] <CoconutCrab> uh huh
[09:35] * CoconutCrab scratches lewtds
[09:36] <vubuntor256> để viết lại cái đã :v
[09:40] <vubuntor256> giải nén xong rồi mà chẳng thấy cái readme nào :))
[09:41] <Stanley00> vubuntor256: ặc, bạn muốn dùng firefox mới nhất hả?
[09:42] <lewtds> ./firefox
[09:42] <vubuntor256> :))
[09:42] <vubuntor256> vào xem cái youtube
[09:42] <vubuntor256> mà nó báo lỗi :v
[09:43] <vubuntor256> plugin :)) nhấn đại nó bảo update firefox đó mà :v
[09:43] <vubuntor256> tiện thể tải về rồi thì học cách cài luôn :v
[09:43] <lewtds> lol cái firefox đó chỉ có chạy trực tiếp thôi
[09:43] <lewtds> k cài được đâu
[09:43] <lewtds> muốn cài thì phải làm thủ công
[09:44] <lewtds> copy file nọ vào chỗ kia
[09:44] <lewtds> sửa config etc
[09:44] <vubuntor256> chậc chậc. mỗi fire fox hay cứ file nào dạng đó đều phải làm thế ?
[09:45] <CoconutCrab> tưởng mint update firefox nhanh lắm mà?
[09:45] <lewtds> bạn tưởng tượng cài unikey trên windoze ý, nó cho bạn một file zip, bên trong có mỗi một file .exe
[09:45] <lewtds> bạn muốn đặt nó ở đâu là tùy
[09:45] <vubuntor256> à
[09:45] <CoconutCrab> lewtds: khuyên bạn ấy cài app kiểu đó vài bữa nữa lại sao không gõ được tiếng việt trong firefox bay giờ
[09:46] <CoconutCrab> :v
[09:46] <vubuntor256> :))
[09:46] <lewtds> hồi trước /me cũng cài kiểu đó = )
[09:46] <vubuntor256> thôi giờ hỏi cái đơn giản và quan trọng hơn nè
[09:46] <vubuntor256> =))
[09:46] <lewtds> tự tạo một cái file .desktop ở ~/.local/share/applications là được
[09:46] <vubuntor256> cách update flash plugin cho firefox :))
[09:46] <CoconutCrab> lewtds: uh huh :v
[09:46] <lewtds> nó chỉ lên đến 11.x thôi
[09:46] <lewtds> k lên được nữa đâu
[09:47] <lewtds> Adobe cắt support cho flash trên linux rồi
[09:47] <lewtds> nếu bạn muốn dùng flash cao hơn thì phải dùng google chrome (bản nguồn đóng ý)
[09:48] <lewtds> CoconutCrab: thêm một cái symlink vào ~/bin nữa :-?
[09:48] <vubuntor256> :v
[09:48] <lewtds> thủ công v~ lúa
[09:48] <vubuntor256> nó ko cho
[09:48] <vubuntor256> xài
[09:48] <CoconutCrab> cũng được
[09:48] <vubuntor256> à nhầm. ko cho xem video luôn :))
[09:48] <lewtds> bạn có chắc là đã cài flash không?
[09:49] <lewtds> apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:49] <vubuntor256> http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah230/xPoca/Screenshot%20from%202015-04-09%20164739_zpswrhwusxm.png
[09:49] <vubuntor256> lúc nãy mới cài xong
[09:49] <vubuntor256> xem bình thường mà :))
[09:49] <lewtds> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade đi
[09:49] <lewtds> xem nó có hết k
[09:49] <vubuntor256> giờ thì nó cho nghỉ chơi :))
[09:50] <quydo> ping anh em
[09:50] <lewtds> uh huh
[09:50] <lewtds> dạo này channel này active gớm haha
[09:50] <quydo> cho mình hỏi cái :D
[09:50] <lewtds> sao anh?
[09:50] <quydo> curl -vIs https://google.com
[09:50] <SuperLuserv3> [ Google ] - google.com
[09:50] <quydo> nó ra output trên terminal
[09:51] <quydo> làm sao để get cái expire date nhỉ
[09:51] <quydo> expire date: 2015-06-23 00:00:00 GMT
[09:51] <quydo> cái này này
[09:52] <quydo> T_T
[09:52] <vubuntor256> ặc
[09:53] <lewtds> grep
[09:53] <vubuntor256> ko update cũng xem được là thế quái nào :|
[09:53] <quydo> grep ko dc dau :D
[09:53] <vubuntor256> à mình hỏi tiếp :))
[09:54] <vubuntor256> bạn nào có danh sách các phần mềm chức năng tương đương với bên windows không nhĩ
[09:54] <quydo> là sao bạn
[09:54] <Stanley00> quydo: thêm 2>&1 hoặc cái tương đương vào trước dấu | xem
[09:54] <quydo> hay là qua dùng Windows đi
[09:54] <vubuntor256> mình cần dùng PTS , AI và Visual Studio :))
[09:55] <vubuntor256> phần mềm tương đương là được :v
[09:55] <lewtds> quydo: vì cái -v nó in ra stderr
[09:55] <lewtds> chứ k phải stdout
[09:55] <Stanley00> vubuntor256: không có đâu, nhưng 3 cái này thì có gimp, inkscape
[09:55] <lewtds> anh redirect stderr thành stdout là được
[09:55] <lewtds> curl -vI https://google.com 2>&1 >/dev/null | grep 'expire date'
[09:55] <SuperLuserv3> [ Google ] - google.com
[09:55] <lewtds> vubuntor256: nhu cầu vậy thì sang win đi
[09:55] <vubuntor256> :))
[09:55] <Stanley00> vubuntor256: vs thì có eclipse, qt creator, codeblock....
[09:56] <lewtds> AI thì có inkscape dùng rất tốt
[09:56] <lewtds> nhưng gimp thì k so sánh được với PTS
[09:56] <vubuntor256> :)
[09:56] <lewtds> visual studio thì còn tùy, nếu bạn code C/C++ thì có rất nhiều IDE thay thế
[09:56] <quydo> thanks Stanley00 lewtds :D
[09:56] <lewtds> nhưng nếu là .NET ở trên trường thì bắt buộc sang win
[09:56] <quydo> dc roi :D
[09:56] <vubuntor256> xài song song thì ok thôi. cái chính là nếu sau này mình muốn chuyển sang thì cũng phải tìm hiểu trước :v
[09:57] <quydo> đang dùng // đây
[09:57] <quydo> Windows thỉnh thoảng đánh chế
[09:57] <lewtds> quydo: chế lin cũng chơi tốt ; )
[09:57] <vubuntor256> MÌnh thì lol =))
[09:57] <lewtds> dota 2 thì chơi được còn lol k thì k :-j
[09:58] <Stanley00> vãi cả sn quydo, cross post kinh quá =]]
[09:58] <vubuntor256> code c# có chương trình nào hỗ trợ ko ta :v
[09:58] <quydo> :D Stanley00
[09:58] <Stanley00> vubuntor256: không, cái đó thì về windows thôi
[09:58] <vubuntor256> cũng hơi bất tiện nhĩ
[09:58] <lewtds> MonoDevelop
[09:59] <lewtds> code được console app và ASP.NET MVC thoải mái
[09:59] <lewtds> nhưng Winform thì k
[09:59] <vubuntor256> :)
[10:00] <lewtds> thậm chí là monodevelop dùng còn thích hơn VS haha
[10:00] <CoconutCrab> uh huh
[10:00] <vubuntor256> :))
[10:01] <vubuntor256> đang viết cái app bên winform =))
[10:01] <quydo> mình thình thoảng vim code nên đi ra đây :(
[10:02] <vubuntor256> uhm. cảm ơn các bạn nhé :3 mình qua windows xíu đã.
[10:02] <lewtds> adios lol
[10:02] <vubuntor256> hử :)
[10:02] <CoconutCrab> adios amigos
[10:02] <vubuntor256> loay hoay cái unikey mất 2 ngày =))
[10:04] <vubuntor256> chà cả nhà :)
[10:06] <C4NoC> :3
[10:14] <quydo> ping :D
[10:14] <quydo> date --date='Th05 02 07:36:28 2016 GMT' +%s
[10:14] <quydo> date dạng tiếng Việt, mình ko convert sang timestamp đc
[10:15] <NEETCrab> viết script đi
[10:15] <NEETCrab> không thì đổi locale để nó phọt dạng tiếng anh
[10:15] <quydo> ko có cách nào khác ah NEETCrab
[10:15] <NEETCrab> hem
[10:24] <quydo> thanks NEETCrab
[10:24] <quydo> dùng export LC_TIME=en_US
[10:24] <quydo> trong script
[10:24] <quydo> nó set tạm thôi
[10:25] <lewtds> export trong script thì khi hết script nó có dính lại k nhỉ?
[10:33] <NEETCrab> có
[10:34] <NEETCrab> chừng nào cái shell đấy chết
[10:36] <quydo> dinh lai la sao nhi
[11:22] <MrTuxHdb> đang firefox 37.0.1 nè
[11:22] <MrTuxHdb> ubuntu update nhanh mà
[11:22] <MrTuxHdb> :3
[11:23] <MrTuxHdb> cần quái gì xài prebuild nhể | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.007442 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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"authors": [
"C4NoC",
"CoconutCrab",
"MrTuxHdb",
"NEETCrab",
"Stanley00",
"SuperLuserv3",
"afterlastangel",
"lewtds",
"quydo",
"vubuntor045",
"vubuntor256",
"vubuntor449"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/09/%23ubuntu-vn.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-vn"
} |
2015-04-09-#ubuntu-pe | [20:24] <ddi4z> jose: estás? | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.009546 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"ddi4z"
],
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2015-04-09-#juju-dev | [00:15] <lazyPower> thumper: ping
[00:16] <thumper> lazyPower: hey man
[00:16] <lazyPower> hey thumper :) is there any way that i can query an action status in juju? i've ran 3 items (1 ran 2 queued)
[00:17] <lazyPower> i'm realllllyyyy curious whats going on with those other 2 actions that queued that gave me zero feedback other than a queue with a hash.
[00:17] <thumper> lazyPower: NFI sorry, jw4 around?
[00:17] <jw4> yep
[00:17] <lazyPower> \o/
[00:17] <lazyPower> score, right people, right time
[00:17] <jw4> lazyPower: juju action status ?
[00:18] <lazyPower> how... did i miss this in juju action help?
[00:18] * lazyPower facepalms
[00:18] <jw4> lazyPower: bad docs
[00:18] <jw4> mea culpa :(
[00:20] <jw4> lazyPower: btw... juju help actions is very truncated primer
[00:20] <lazyPower> its a new feature, i forgive you jw4
[00:21] <jw4> lazyPower: lol thanks
[00:21] <lazyPower> we'll do better next time \o/
[00:25] <mup> Bug #1441915 was opened: juju uses unsafe options to dpkg inappropriately <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441915>
[00:29] <katco> axw: standup?
[00:32] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ping
[00:33] <lazyPower> rick_h_: pong
[00:33] <rick_h_> lazyPower: hate to be a bother man, but noticed that our link to the openstack bundle was broken and see you pushed it under -basic vs -base per https://pastebin.canonical.com/129202/
[00:33] <lazyPower> yikes
[00:34] <lazyPower> 1 sec, let me fix that
[00:34] <rick_h_> lazyPower: working on the release notes email and wanted to call out the bundle move, any chance you've got time to repush it? and remember the name in the yaml has to match please
[00:34] <rick_h_> sorry for not realizing it when you did it :(
[00:35] <lazyPower> All good - glad we caught it before we broadcast a 404
[00:35] <rick_h_> lazyPower: +1
[00:35] <lazyPower> rick_h_: the bundle deploy command turns into: juju quickstart bundle:openstack/openstack-base
[00:35] <lazyPower> right?
[00:35] <lazyPower> or is it openstack-base/openstack-base
[00:35] <rick_h_> juju quickstart openstack-base
[00:36] <rick_h_> that's it, just the same thing as the jujucharms.com url for promulgated bundles
[00:36] <rick_h_> lazyPower: e.g. http://jujucharms.com/mongodb-cluster check the copy/paste command there
[00:36] <lazyPower> ok openstack-base is pushed
[00:36] <rick_h_> or even the one there now https://jujucharms.com/openstack-basic/
[00:37] <katco> mgz: sinzui: merge incorrectly failed on goose: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-goose/3/console
[00:37] <rick_h_> lazyPower: <3 my hero
[00:37] <lazyPower> rick_h_: do we wan tot wipe openstack-basic LP repo and nuke the charmstore bin?
[00:37] <rick_h_> lazyPower: will wait for it to ingest before I sent my email
[00:37] <lazyPower> or have i created cruft :|
[00:37] <rick_h_> lazyPower: yes please
[00:37] <lazyPower> ack, on it now
[00:37] <rick_h_> I'll blow it away once the branch is gone
[00:38] <lazyPower> done, branch shoudl 404 now
[00:41] <axw> katco: back, ready now?
[00:41] <katco> axw: yep
[00:44] <rick_h_> lazyPower: can you double check that the url in the new bundle is right? lp:~charmers/charms/bundles/openstack-base/bundle (ends in /bundle?)
[00:45] <lazyPower> fetches 34 revisions from bzr
[00:45] <rick_h_> lazyPower: I think we only ingest /trunkto avoid everyone's branches in dev/progress
[00:46] <lazyPower> thats a mis-match with what everythign else thats a bundle is pushed to for bundles
[00:46] <lazyPower> the /trunk is correct nomenclature with charms, but /bundle is what we've been using for bundles since i started.
[00:46] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ah ok then coolio
[00:46] <rick_h_> lazyPower: just double checking
[00:46] <lazyPower> :)
[00:47] <lazyPower> https://launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/bundles/mediawiki/bundle <- as verification
[00:47] <rick_h_> yep, gotcha
[00:47] <rick_h_> on that first page the only other bundle was /trunk so I got nervous
[00:55] <axw> mgz: goose bot still doesn't want to merge stuff: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-goose/3/console
[00:57] <rick_h_> lazyPower: <3 https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/
[00:57] <axw> rick_h_: would you mind hitting the merge button on https://github.com/go-goose/goose/pull/6? the tests pass (see console above), but the lander mustn't be set up correctly because the merge failed again.
[00:58] <rick_h_> axw: looking
[00:58] <lazyPower> Email Deployed!
[00:58] <rick_h_> axw: button hit
[00:58] <axw> rick_h_: thanks :)
[00:58] <rick_h_> np
[00:58] <rick_h_> always happy to use my powers for evil
[01:02] <katco> rick_h_: ty sir :)
[02:03] <thumper> axw: you around?
[02:03] <axw> thumper: I am
[02:03] <axw> howdy
[02:03] <thumper> axw: team meeting?
[02:03] <axw> oops
[03:18] <jam> thumper: hey, did you see my emails about potential changes to the JES spec? I haven't heard any replies from you.
[03:18] <jam> I have to go walk the dog, but I'll be back in a bit
[03:22] <thumper> jam: yeah...
[03:22] <thumper> jam: we should have a hangout when you are back and have time
[03:22] <thumper> jam: it was on my todo list to give you a comprehensive response
[04:53] <jam> thumper: are you still there?
[04:53] <thumper> yup
[04:53] <jam> I'm up for a hangout, let me grab my coffee cup
[04:54] <jam> heh, empty anyway :)
[04:54] <rick_h_> jam: thumper just replied to the cli stuff fyi
[04:54] <thumper> rick_h_: why are you still here?
[04:55] <thumper> surely it is past your bed time :)
[04:55] <rick_h_> thumper: because I can't sleep and I was clearing kanban and replying to bugs and found your email interesting :)
[04:55] <rick_h_> at least more interesting than bug triage
[04:55] <rick_h_> so party time!
[04:55] <jam> rick_h_: I don't know the ascii art for blowing a noisemaker... :)
[04:56] <rick_h_> jam: that's ok, I couldn't do it in animated gif form either so we'll be quiet party folk
[04:57] <jam> thumper: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gqw3kdy7c4nxrjs2a7adlggamea
[05:00] <rick_h_> jam: thumper is that JES or uncomitted and worth me listening in on for fly on the wall info next week? or carry on with my bugs?
[05:00] <jam> rick_h_: the chat is about JES I believe
[05:00] <thumper> rick_h_: you are welcome
[05:00] <jam> you're welcome if you're interested
[07:20] <mup> Bug #1427814 changed: juju bootstrap fails on maas with when the node has empty lshw output from commissioning <bootstrap> <maas> <maas-provider> <network> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.22:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.23:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1427814>
[08:35] <dimitern> dooferlad, hey there
[08:35] <mup> Bug #1442012 was opened: persist iptables rules / routes for addressable containers across host reboots <addressability> <network> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.23:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442012>
[08:35] <dooferlad> dimitern: hi
[08:36] <dimitern> dooferlad, I'm reviewing your branch, but something more urgent came up
[08:36] <dooferlad> dimitern: yea, the container stuff?
[08:37] <dimitern> dooferlad, yeah - some experiments are needed - have a look at bug 1441811
[08:37] <mup> Bug #1441811: juju-1.23beta3 breaks glance <-> mysql relation when glance is hosted in a container <oil> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.23:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441811>
[08:37] <dimitern> dooferlad, I've added some comments with suggestions how to change the iptables rules we generate so we'll hopefully solve the issue
[08:38] <dimitern> dooferlad, can you please try these (or others if you have a better idea) - the result we're seeking is packets from a container-hosted charm arrive to another host with the container's IP as source, not it's host's
[08:39] <dooferlad> dimitern: sure
[08:39] <dimitern> dooferlad, cheers! in the mean time I'll finish your review
[08:40] <voidspace> dimitern: this only applies to new containers deployed with 1.23, the upgrade doesn't change existing containers network configuration - right?
[08:40] <dimitern> voidspace, which does?
[08:41] <voidspace> dimitern: that bug - the routing problems
[08:41] <dimitern> voidspace, ah, yes
[08:41] <dimitern> voidspace, but post-upgrade any new instance hosting containers will potentially have the issue
[08:42] <voidspace> dimitern: yep
[08:42] <voidspace> dimitern: so you can be in a "mixed" environment, with old style and new style containers
[08:43] <dimitern> voidspace, oh most certainly :)
[08:43] <dimitern> voidspace, we need to deal with this gracefully though
[08:45] <mup> Bug #1442012 changed: persist iptables rules / routes for addressable containers across host reboots <addressability> <network> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.23:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442012>
[08:54] <mup> Bug #1442012 was opened: persist iptables rules / routes for addressable containers across host reboots <addressability> <network> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.23:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442012>
[09:33] <dimitern> voidspace, aren't those 2 cards in review merged btw?
[09:34] <dooferlad> dimitern: iptraf seems to be a good tool to add to the collection. Shows source address of traffic, so just pinging a container is enough to see if the source address is the host or the container.
[09:36] <dimitern> dooferlad, cool - how do you run it?
[09:37] <dooferlad> dimitern: it is a console app. It is apt-getable as well.
[09:39] <dimitern> dooferlad, I'll check it out
[09:59] <dooferlad> dimitern: it looks like if we just don't add the current SNAT rule we are fine. Currently we have "-A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source <host IP>"
[09:59] <dooferlad> dimitern: without it, ping responses are from the container IP
[10:00] <dooferlad> dimitern: just testing a small change
[10:01] <dimitern> dooferlad, hmm we better check any proposed fix on both AWS and MAAS just to be sure
[10:01] <dooferlad> dimitern: indeed!
[10:09] <mup> Bug #1442046 was opened: Charm upgrades not easy due to versions not being clearly stated <cts> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442046>
[10:26] <rogpeppe1> i just saw this panic when running github.com/juju/juju/cmd/jujud/agent tests: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10781542/
[10:26] <rogpeppe1> it looks like a legit juju bug to me
[10:27] <natefinch> rogpeppe1: heh I was just trying to fix that on my branch, assuming it was my own fault somehow
[10:27] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, looks like a bug to me as well << axw
[10:27] <natefinch> rogpeppe1: seems like ensureErr should just return nil if the thing its given is nil... though there might be more to the bug than that.... like why we're passing it something nil
[10:27] <rogpeppe1> natefinch: it looks to me as if we're getting a closed channel on filesystemsChanges before the first environConfigChanges value has arrived
[10:28] <rogpeppe1> natefinch: that would be my thought for a fix too
[10:28] <dimitern> natefinch, nope, EnsureErr's reason for existence is to report watcher errors on failure, it should not be called when err != nil
[10:28] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: it's being called with a nil Errer
[10:29] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, yeah, but it shouldn't - seems to me like an omission in the loop using the watcher
[10:30] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: hmm, you're right, it shouldn't. looking more closely, i don't see how we can possibly be getting a closed channel on filesystemsChanges when filesystemsWatcher is still nil
[10:31] <dimitern> weird
[10:36] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i'm seeing sporadic failures in UniterSuite.TestUniterUpgradeConflicts too
[10:44] <dooferlad> dimitern: What do I do to get a public IP address for an EC2 container?
[10:46] <dimitern> dooferlad, there's no such thing yet
[10:46] <dimitern> dooferlad, the public address of the host is used
[10:47] <dooferlad> dimitern: ah, so what do we expect from an EC2 container? Being able to start a service in it, and access it using the host IP?
[10:48] <dimitern> dooferlad, the public address is only needed for exposing stuff
[10:48] <dimitern> dooferlad, but in AWS we should have the same behavior as MAAS (assuming the fix worked)
[10:49] <dooferlad> dimitern: well, in MAAS I can create a container and ping it, getting the response back from the container IP address
[10:49] <dimitern> dooferlad, i.e. for other hosts (or containers on the same or other hosts) talking to the a container-hosted charm should see the packets from the container's ip
[10:51] <dooferlad> dimitern: which is private to the host at the moment, because it is on a bridge?
[10:51] <dooferlad> unless a service has been exposed
[10:51] <dimitern> dooferlad, what is private to the host?
[10:52] <dooferlad> dimitern: to ask a better question, do we expect addresses of containers, attached to lxcbr0, to be accessable from other physical machines in the same VPC?
[10:55] <dimitern> dooferlad, ok let's call 10.0.3.0/24 and 192.168.122.0/24 addresses "local container addresses" and the ones in the same range as their host "internal container addresses"
[10:55] <dimitern> dooferlad, we expect other hosts (or containers on other hosts) to be able to connect to the internal container address and see connections originating from the same address
[10:55] <thumper> hmm...
[10:56] <thumper> noticed the check in time at Nuremburg is 3pm
[10:56] <thumper> I arrive around 7:30 am
[10:56] <dooferlad> dimitern: great
[10:56] <thumper> who is staying saturday night?
[10:56] <dimitern> dooferlad, while the local container addresses are irrelevant (if possible)
[10:56] <dimitern> thumper, I'll be there saturday afternoon
[10:57] <thumper> hazaah
[10:57] <thumper> I think I'll be half dead / asleep
[10:57] <dimitern> dooferlad, "if possible" == I'd rather not have to deal with local container addresses wrt iptables rules (just their CIDR range)
[10:58] <voidspace> dimitern: yes, good point - I'll move them now
[10:58] <dimitern> voidspace, cheers!
[10:58] <dooferlad> dimitern: OK, I started an EC2 machine with an LXC on it, juju status says its IP address is 10.0.3.82. I guess that is bad.
[10:59] <dimitern> dooferlad, it is bad
[10:59] <dimitern> dooferlad, it needs to be something like 172.x.x.x
[11:00] <dimitern> dooferlad, check machine 0 logs around PrepareContainerInterfaceInfo (I hope you're logging at TRACE level)
[11:01] <dooferlad> dimitern: "cannot allocate addresses: no interfaces available"
[11:02] <dooferlad> logging at debug
[11:02] <axw> dimitern: yeah I noticed that just earlier myself, filesystemsWatcher isn't being assigned
[11:02] <axw> rogpeppe1: ^^
[11:02] <axw> it's shadowed
[11:02] <axw> in startWatchers
[11:02] <axw> gtg catch a plane, see you in a few days
[11:03] <rogpeppe1> axw: ah!
[11:03] <rogpeppe1> axw: it's not the only one either
[11:04] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: there's another bug there too
[11:05] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, oh yeah?
[11:05] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: when environConfigChanges is closed, we should do EnsureErr on environConfigWatcher, but it's doing it on volumesWatcher instead
[11:05] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: so i think that's three easy-to-fix bugs :)
[11:05] <dimitern> rogpeppe1, nice catch!
[11:06] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: i saw an actual panic from that one too
[11:17] <dimitern> fwereade, hey, are you about?
[11:17] <fwereade> dimitern, o/
[11:18] <dimitern> fwereade, :) I hope you've sorted out your flights for nuremberg
[11:18] <fwereade> dimitern, ha, yes
[11:18] <dimitern> fwereade, cause you're still red on the logistics spreadsheet
[11:18] <fwereade> ...shite, I think I forgot that bit
[11:19] * fwereade goes crawling off to try to sort that out
[11:58] <rogpeppe1> mgz: would it be possible to fix this failure in the juju landing 'bot please? http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/2834/console
[11:59] <rogpeppe1> mgz: i think it's happening because code.google.com/p/go.net is no longer a dependency (a Good Thing)
[12:00] <rogpeppe1> mgz: and for some reason the script is trying to remove charset/testdata
[12:07] <rogpeppe1> is anyone else here able to fix the landing bot ?
[12:28] <mgz> rogpeppe1: sure
[12:28] <rogpeppe1> mgz: thanks
[12:28] <jam> fwereade: ping, I had some questions about a leader-election test
[12:28] <fwereade> jam, heyhey
[12:28] <mgz> rogpeppe1: when you say no longer a dep, did it actually just move?
[12:28] <rogpeppe1> mgz: yeah
[12:29] <mgz> so, do we still need to remove that stuff but from a different path?
[12:29] <rogpeppe1> mgz: to golang.org/x/net
[12:29] <rogpeppe1> mgz: quite possibly.
[12:29] <mgz> okay, I will do that
[12:29] <rogpeppe1> mgz: do you know why it was removed anyway?
[12:29] <jam> fwereade: I don't know if you saw http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1378/ which basically just removes leader-elected as a feature flag (its just always enabled) per Mark's request.
[12:29] <mgz> rogpeppe1: it's not properly licenced
[12:29] <jam> I had a bit of cleanup (some stuff with how exceptions were getting wrapped and unwrapped)b
[12:29] <jam> but mostly it worked
[12:30] <jam> except one test
[12:30] <rogpeppe1> mgz: why should that matter in the build bot?
[12:30] <jam> fwereade: specifically UnitDying test causes leader-settings-changed (presumably because the unit loses its leader status)
[12:30] <jam> but leader-settings-changed isn't ordered vs db-relation-departed
[12:30] <fwereade> jam, ah yeah, I saw the ship-it and didn't look further than that
[12:31] <mgz> rogpeppe1: we use the same tarball creation script as the actual release, so we're testing the right stuff
[12:32] <jam> fwereade: so http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1378/diff/# line 67 is where I unwrapped the error
[12:32] <jam> and 1034 is the test I commented out
[12:32] <jam> axw made the comment "maybe leader-settings-changed should be suppressed when dying" which I had just thought of independently
[12:34] <fwereade> jam, hmm, so re the unwrapping that surprises me a bit -- what it it that's wrapping an ErrDying in the first place? I usually think of that as a direct signal rather than something that bubbles through many layers
[12:34] <jam> fwereade: isLeader
[12:34] <fwereade> jam, not to say that it can't happen or that it's not good though
[12:34] <jam> times out with ErrDying
[12:34] <jam> and the upper layers do "errors.Trace()"
[12:34] <fwereade> jam, generally I think we should be checking Cause(err) rather than err just about everywhere though
[12:35] <fwereade> jam, it's the price we pay for tracing
[12:35] <fwereade> jam, re leader-settings-changed while dying
[12:35] <rogpeppe1> mgz: i'm surprised about the licensing - golang repos don't usually contain anything encumbered
[12:35] <jam> fwereade: yeah, so maybe we want a helper that wraps tomb.Kill in tomb.Kill(errors.Cause(err))
[12:36] <fwereade> jam, don't think so? it's site-specific
[12:36] <fwereade> jam, frequently the context is just what the doctor ordered
[12:36] <fwereade> jam, it's only for certain special values in any given case
[12:36] <fwereade> jam, even if there are going to be some very common cases...
[12:36] <jam> fwereade: you're right. It was more about for Signaling (singleton?) errors
[12:37] <jam> the trace did help me actually find where the error was being generated
[12:37] <jam> though interestingly enough
[12:37] <fwereade> jam, cool :)
[12:37] <jam> isLeader() doesn't return errors.Trace(ErrDying)
[12:37] <jam> which would have actually gotten the line
[12:37] <mgz> rogpeppe1: changed, try sending it through again
[12:38] <rogpeppe1> mgz: trying
[12:38] <fwereade> jam, heh, interesting point
[12:39] <fwereade> jam, errors.Trace(tomb.ErrDying) is squicky at first sight, but I can't think of a good argument against it
[12:39] <mgz> rogpeppe1: the html test cases are from the w3c, and their licence is non-free
[12:39] <mup> Bug #1442132 was opened: [packaging juju-1.23] Issues met while working on debian/copyright file <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442132>
[12:39] <fwereade> jam, and that'd then require us to enforce cause-checking properly
[12:39] <jam> fwereade: well one bit is that it makes it *obvious* that the errors are going to be wrapped and you need errors.Cause() before passing to tomb.
[12:40] <jam> paraphrase jinx
[12:40] <fwereade> jam, indeed :)
[12:40] <mgz> has a nohm, their website currently claims dual licenced to 3-clause bsd, I wonder if that's a recent change
[12:40] <fwereade> jam, so, yeah, I think you''re right
[12:41] <mgz> their licence has an advertising clause
[12:41] <fwereade> jam, the traces are good, cause-checking is generally necessary anyway, we should just trace special error values from the start
[12:41] <rogpeppe1> mgz: it looks fairly free to me: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-copyright.html
[12:42] <fwereade> jam, doesn't affect the most common errors.New/Errorf code, right?
[12:42] <mgz> and no-modification
[12:42] <jam> fwereade: so a helper to errors.Cause ErrDying for tomb is sane?
[12:42] <rogpeppe1> mgz: is the problem this: "Neither the name of the W3C nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this work without specific prior written permission."
[12:42] <rogpeppe1> ?
[12:42] <fwereade> jam, yeah, and we can just stick it in in place of all the x.tomb.Kill(x.loop()) calls
[12:43] <mgz> rogpeppe1: and "No right to create modifications or derivatives of W3C documents is granted..."
[12:43] <fwereade> jam, about LSC when dying
[12:43] <rogpeppe1> mgz: i don't see that clause anywhere
[12:43] <mgz> but by that current doc, we can just take 3-clause bsd, I'll check with rbasak
[12:44] <fwereade> jam, we should look further into where that LSC is coming from -- I don't recall us abdicating leadership at that point
[12:44] <fwereade> jam, off the top of my head, I'd suspect the filter of starting a fresh watcher maybe?
[12:45] <fwereade> jam, assuming it is a legitimate hook, though, the arbitrary ordering is a feature not a bug
[12:46] <jam> fwereade: right, I don't think we can prescribe an ordering.
[12:46] <jam> fwereade: so we have checks that say "if as a result of this action, I'm no longer leader, trigger leader-settings-changed"
[12:47] <fwereade> jam, so looking at AliveLoop/DyingLoop I am mainly concerned that they are more different than I would have hoped -- ie that we seem to stop reacting to all manner of hooks while dying
[12:47] <rogpeppe1> mgz: same issue still: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/2835/console
[12:47] <fwereade> jam, and I'm not completely sure that's correct -- I know it has on occasion irritated users that we don't handle charm upgrades while dying, for example
[12:47] <fwereade> jam, and as a charmer you *don't know* whether you're dying
[12:47] <mgz> rogpeppe1: doh, I changed the wrong machine
[12:48] <fwereade> jam, so every difference between alive and dying is just arbitrarily varying behaviour from the POV of the charmer
[12:48] <jam> fwereade: could it be uniter.go line 397 "before.Leader != after.Leader" ?
[12:49] <fwereade> jam, quite likely, yes -- but I'm still not seeing what'd trigger it
[12:49] <fwereade> jam, oops sorry wrong bit
[12:49] <jam> fwereade: so a unit no longer being alive means it can't be elected to leader, right?
[12:50] <dimitern> voidspace, dooferlad, Subnets API - AllSpaces() - please, take a look: reviews.vapour.ws/r/1403/
[12:50] <jam> certainly we don't want a Dying unit to become the leader (I would think)
[12:50] <fwereade> jam, after.Leader shouldn't have been set, should it?
[12:50] <mgz> rogpeppe1: re-re-try
[12:50] <fwereade> jam, completely independent currently
[12:50] <rogpeppe1> mgz: reretrying
[12:50] <jam> fwereade: so I haven't debugged here, but before.Leader should have been set, right? It was the only unit of a service, thus the leader, then it goes to dyign
[12:51] <jam> fwereade: we know the unit is not leader because it got leader-settings-changed not leader-elected
[12:51] <fwereade> jam, yes, before.Leader should have been set, and unless we ran a resignLeadership op it should still be set
[12:51] <fwereade> jam, apart from anything else
[12:52] <fwereade> jam, a dying unit should not renounce leadership if it's the only unit
[12:52] <jam> fwereade: so I don't *know* that its that code that's triggering it. I just know I'm seeing a leader-settings-changed in that test, and it feels a lot like something noticing its not leader anymore and thus queuing a leader-settings-changed event
[12:52] <fwereade> jam, and the simplest way to implement that it to completely decouple leadership from life -- the only cost is that the next leader may be elected after a short delay
[12:53] <fwereade> jam, I admit I am mostly occuppied with a different structure in my head right now so I might easily be wrong somewhere
[12:53] <jam> fwereade: meaning, if you were leader you have 30s after you die before we notice that you're no longer handling leadership ?
[12:53] <fwereade> jam, yes
[12:53] <jam> fwereade: what about the code that votes in a new leader, seems it should favor non-dying
[12:54] <fwereade> jam, dropping it the moment the unit's set to Dead would be fine and good
[12:55] <fwereade> jam, not convinced that makes much difference in the end? should the only remaining unit, dying but blocked, never be elected leader, and this never (say) run service-level actions?
[12:55] <jam> well I did say favor not never-elect
[12:56] <fwereade> jam, true :)
[12:56] <jam> but at the same time, if you're Dying I don't know whether leader stuff actually matters.
[12:56] <fwereade> jam, but I can't see a robust way to do that and I'd rather do nothing than something inherently flaky
[12:56] <jam> fairy 'nuff
[12:57] <fwereade> jam, it still does, I think -- you're still likely to be responsible for a bunch of things even if the charm isn't aware of it
[12:57] <fwereade> jam, given a service composed of N dying+blocked units, you still want one of them to be leader so it can aggregate statuses, run service actions, whatever
[12:58] <fwereade> jam, and when a dying and non-blocked unit is elected, ehh, it'll be deposed soon enough, and we have to expect and tolerate leadership changes *anyway*
[13:02] <jam> fwereade: so runOperation appears to be the only place that could possibly call WantLeaderSettingsEvents(true) does that fit with you?
[13:02] <fwereade> jam, I think so, yes
[13:03] <jam> fwereade: I was just trying to figure out where to look to find out why we were deposed
[13:03] <fwereade> jam, that's the one place that should see all the state changes we record between leader/minion
[13:03] <fwereade> jam, seeing what operation set it to false in there should work
[13:04] <jam> fwereade: and your thought is that it should be a ResignLeadership op ?
[13:05] <fwereade> jam, well, I sorta think it *shouldn't* be --ie, yes, that is the only op that should; but I don't *think* we should get that op... should we?
[13:06] <jam> fwereade: well, that's the only code that has "Leader = false" but potentially leadership.State{} also sets it to false
[13:06] <jam> (setting by omission is one of my dislikes of go defaults)
[13:06] <fwereade> jam, indeed, I would be suspicious of finding some op that wasn't using stateChange.apply
[13:34] <dooferlad> dimitern: so the reason that EC2 containers aren't working is that provider/ec2/environ.go -> NetworkInterfaces -> ec2Client.NetworkInterfaces is not returning any interfaces.
[13:34] <dooferlad> ...so we can't find out what the machine's IP address is, so we can't set up the container correctly
[13:35] <dimitern> dooferlad, have you tried without your fix?
[13:35] <dooferlad> dimitern: no, but I am not sure how it would make any difference.
[13:35] <dooferlad> dimitern: can do now if you like.
[13:36] <dimitern> dooferlad, please do
[13:36] * dimitern hopes we didn't break addressable containers on AWS
[13:36] <jam> fwereade: so I do see "running operation resign leadership" being triggered, but sometimes the test doesn't fail...
[13:36] <jam> is there a good way to figure out why we'd be running that op?
[13:37] <dimitern> dooferlad, which branch are you using?
[13:37] <dpb1> benji: yw
[13:37] <dooferlad> dimitern: 1.23
[13:37] <fwereade> jam, look in op_plumbling.go for the creator func and see where that's used
[13:37] <fwereade> jam, should only be a couple of places
[13:37] <fwereade> jam, and probably only one of them should be a plausible source given the test
[13:37] <dimitern> dooferlad, ok, I'll try 1.23 tip here on AWS
[13:38] <dooferlad> dimitern: I am already running
[13:38] <jam> fwereade: modeAbideDyingLoop has newResignLeadershipOp()
[13:38] <fwereade> jam, right, but I thought it only triggered when the tracker toldd us to
[13:38] <jam> Refresh, DestroyAllSubordinates, SetDyingg, ResignLeadership
[13:39] <jam> fwereade: ModeAbide has "<-u.f.UnitDying() return modeAbideDyingLoop"
[13:41] <fwereade> jam, *dammit* sorry
[13:42] <fwereade> jam, I do "resign leadership" as soon as we hit that loop
[13:43] <fwereade> jam, it doesn't affect anything else, it's effectively just early warning for the charm that soon it won't be leader
[13:43] <fwereade> jam, so I think the problem is that the other hooks are racing with <-UnitDying in modeAbideAliveLoop
[13:43] <jam> fwereade: sure, so ordering means we may or may not get it before db-relation-broken and db-relation-dying etc.
[13:44] <fwereade> jam, we should run it, you're absolutely correct, all my intimations that we shouldn't have been coplete nonsense
[13:44] <fwereade> jam, if the broken and dying were triggered by the unitdying too we'd be fine I think
[13:45] <fwereade> jam, is this test one where we're dying *while* the remote units really are leaving the relation?
[13:45] <fwereade> jam, if so, it's unorderable I fear
[13:45] <fwereade> jam, collecting laura gtg bbs
[13:45] <jam> fwereade: enjoy
[13:45] <jam> yeah, I don't think it should have an order, the question is how to properly test it.
[13:48] <natefinch> rogpeppe1, dimitern: did you guys figure out that panic w/ EnsureErr?
[13:48] <rogpeppe1> natefinch: axw worked it out
[13:48] <rogpeppe1> natefinch: i'm leaving it for one of you guys to fix (there are about 3 bugs there)
[13:49] <natefinch> rogpeppe1: since it's blocking me from committing, I'm more than willing to fix it.
[13:49] <rogpeppe1> natefinch: it's mostly a shadowed-variable bug
[13:49] <rogpeppe1> natefinch: but there's one place that the wrong variable is used too
[13:50] <rogpeppe1> natefinch: it's sporadic (i just managed to merge a PR)
[13:50] <natefinch> rogpeppe1: saw it in scrollabck, and I see it in the code, looks straightforward enough... just remove a couple colons
[13:51] <natefinch> rogpeppe1: what's the wrong variable?
[13:51] <rogpeppe1> natefinch:
[13:51] <rogpeppe1> case _, ok := <-environConfigChanges:
[13:52] <rogpeppe1> if !ok {
[13:52] <rogpeppe1> return watcher.EnsureErr(volumesWatcher)
[13:52] <rogpeppe1> }
[13:52] <rogpeppe1> natefinch: volumesWatcher should be environConfigWatcher
[13:52] <natefinch> rogpeppe1: yep, ok, I see it
[13:54] <dooferlad> dimitern: no change without the fix
[13:56] <dimitern> dooferlad, well, something is wrong at your side, because I've just bootstrapped and deployed a container on AWS - with an address from the host's range
[13:57] <dooferlad> dimitern: well, that's no good :-|
[13:57] <dimitern> dooferlad, what AWS account are you using?
[13:58] <dooferlad> dimitern: the canonical one I was given
[13:58] <dimitern> dooferlad, is the env still alive?
[13:58] <dooferlad> dimitern: yes
[13:59] <dimitern> dooferlad, in us-east-1 ?
[13:59] <dooferlad> dimitern: yes, ec2-54-159-20-216.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[14:00] <dimitern> dooferlad, got it - the issue is there's no default VPC there
[14:00] <dooferlad> dimitern: oh (*%&^*
[14:01] <dooferlad> dimitern: what region should I target?
[14:01] <dimitern> dooferlad, hmm.. no there is one actually
[14:01] <dimitern> dooferlad, but why wasn't it used? I can see the instance is a classic EC2 one, not VPC
[14:02] <dimitern> dooferlad, if you have full TRACE logs and --debug log from the bootstrap that might give us some pointers
[14:03] <dooferlad> dimitern: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782887/
[14:03] <perrito666> wwitzel3: natefinch are we having standup?
[14:04] <dimitern> dooferlad, and the machine-0 log?
[14:05] <dooferlad> dimitern: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782893/
[14:17] <natefinch> perrito666: sorry, lost track of time
[14:27] <natefinch> katco: you doing the cross team call? Do you have the info?
[14:27] <perrito666> I think my ears are shrinking
[14:27] <perrito666> my earplugs are not as comfortable as they used to be
[14:27] <katco> natefinch: yeah i'll be there... although the call keeps dropping for some reason
[14:47] <mrpoor> hi!
[14:53] * dimitern steps out for ~1h
[15:14] <natefinch> ahh sleeps in tests, the hallmark of true quality
[15:16] <mgz> dimitern: gobot doesn't actually have push rights to go-goose
[15:16] <mgz> *jujubot
[15:17] <natefinch> anyone else seeing notifyWorkerSuite.TestCallSetUpAndTearDown failing sometimes with it not having called setup?
[15:18] <mgz> I'n not sure where it's falling down exactly though
[15:21] <natefinch> mgz: did you do the "set membership to public" thing? I don't seem to have rights to see the membership stuff, so I can't tell myself.
[15:22] <mgz> natefinch: I did
[15:22] <mgz> but I don't have perms to poke further
[15:22] <natefinch> mgz: is this the first time we've tried this with something external to github.com/juju?
[15:24] <mgz> natefinch: yup, but it's not really much different
[16:04] <natefinch> wow, ok, Isee what'swrong with the notifyworker tests..... it's a built-in race condition. We're assuming a notifyworker running a goroutine will call Setup() before one of the tests checks that setup has been called.
[16:06] <perrito666> is it my idea or there is no clear documentation on how to create a new hook?
[16:07] <natefinch> perrito666: documentation is for the weak
[16:12] <perrito666> or for those that need to implement a hook before monday
[16:13] <natefinch> perrito666: sorry.... all the info I can see in the docs is here: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/e751bc6d1b44ef71679b946417a3b5c7484673b2/doc/charms-in-action.txt
[16:14] <natefinch> perrito666: which from a quick skim does not seem to really talk about making new hooks
[16:14] <perrito666> yup, same here, I think Ill dig out a bit among the implemented ones, I foresee lots of jumping around :p
[16:25] <natefinch> rogpeppe1: Care to do a super quick review of those changes you found, plus a couple other small test fixes? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1405/
[16:28] <natefinch> or dimitern, or katco or anyone else ^^
[16:29] <natefinch> jam: fwereade: ^^
[16:29] <katco> natefinch: tal
[16:30] <natefinch> katco: thanks
[16:30] <fwereade> perrito666, what hook? :)
[16:31] <mup> Bug #1442257 was opened: lxc network.mtu setting not set consistently across hosts <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442257>
[16:31] <fwereade> perrito666, I can try to hit the high points
[16:33] <alexisb> wwitzel3, fwereade, katco, perrito666 I need a volunteer to help with a critical customer issue
[16:33] <alexisb> someone have bandwidth to help the onsite team?
[16:34] <fwereade> alexisb, I can jump in but perhaps not for very long
[16:34] <alexisb> fwereade, pointed you to the chatter
[16:35] <jam> natefinch: given notifyHandler is test code, is there any reason SetUp is done asynchronously in the first place?
[16:35] <fwereade> alexisb, cheers
[16:36] <jam> natefinch: reviewed
[16:37] <natefinch> jam: the setup is the watcher method that gets called by the watcher code
[16:40] <katco> natefinch: also reviewed... just a few questions
[16:40] <katco> alexisb: fyi i think wwitzel3 is traveling atm
[16:40] <natefinch> jam: it's this code, which is done from a goroutine spawned in NewStringsWorker: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/worker/stringsworker.go#L64
[16:41] <natefinch> be back in a bit... gotta pick up my kid from preschool
[16:47] <katco> launchpad question: if a bug is blocked while we're waiting on more information, do we mark it as incomplete?
[16:48] <katco> i'm hesitant because it says "cannot be verified", but what i really mean is "verified, but need more information"
[16:49] <mgz> katco: incomplete is fine
[16:50] <katco> mgz: cool, ty
[17:06] <sinzui> natefinch, how goes your branch for bug 1394755?
[17:06] <mup> Bug #1394755: juju ensure-availability should be able to target existing machines <cloud-installer> <ha> <landscape> <juju-core:In Progress by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1394755>
[17:07] <sinzui> voidspace, how goes the fix for bug 1441206?
[17:07] <mup> Bug #1441206: Container destruction doesn't mark IP addresses as Dead <juju-core:In Progress by mfoord> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441206>
[17:12] <katco> sinzui: natefinch is picking up his kiddo
[17:14] <alexisb> sinzui, natefinch's fix is ready but he is seeing failing tests when he tries to merge
[17:14] <alexisb> he is currently investigating
[17:14] <katco> alexisb: i think that fix is under review too
[17:14] <alexisb> voidspace, is done for the day
[17:15] <alexisb> and fwereade your a rock star, thank you for the help!
[17:15] <sinzui> katco, thank you.
[17:24] <fwereade> alexisb, I just turn up and frown at the bugs and they go away ;p
[17:27] <perrito666> fwereade: you are chuck norris
[17:33] <natefinch> back
[17:34] <perrito666> front
[17:40] <natefinch> katco: responded to your review... do you understand my response?
[17:41] * katco looking
[17:41] * natefinch doesn't want to just dismiss your review and commit without you actually reading it and agreeing I'm not crazy ;)
[17:42] <katco> natefinch: ah yeah that makes sense
[17:42] <natefinch> (about this)
[17:42] <natefinch> katco: cool
[17:42] <katco> natefinch: another place channels would have saved us some trouble :)
[17:42] <natefinch> katco: yep, channels are pretty cool
[17:44] * natefinch really wishes reviewboard's markdown parser would auto-link urls
[17:45] <perrito666> natefinch: I would not make the merging on a patch dependent to someone saying you are not crazy
[17:48] <alexisb> :)
[17:55] <voidspace> sinzui: yeah, sorry - EOD
[17:55] <voidspace> sinzui: it won't be finished today and I'm off tomorrow
[17:55] <voidspace> sinzui: will land in Nuremberg...
[17:57] <alexisb> voidspace, that is ok, it will just go in a point release
[17:57] <natefinch> perrito666: haha very funny
[17:57] <alexisb> have a great weekend and we will see you next week voidspace
[17:57] <sinzui> voidspace, thank you
[18:04] <natefinch> I am somewhat unreasonably excited to see people again.... I think the fact that the last 4 months of my life have been dominated by a very tiny human being probably has something to do with that.
[18:07] <alexisb> natefinch, I totally understand :)
[18:08] <alexisb> though it only takes ~30 hours to start getting homesick
[18:08] <alexisb> my husband says that he would really love a week away with adults and is jealous
[18:08] <katco> alexisb: i have instructed my wife to send me at least 1 new picture of my daughter a day
[18:09] <natefinch> heh yeah, my wife always tell me she's jealous that I get a week's holiday... no matter how much I tell her it's really work
[18:09] <rick_h_> alexisb: heh, I'm getting pay back. One week after I get back she's gone for 8 days. Her longest trip ever.
[18:09] <alexisb> the pictures really do help
[18:09] <katco> i miss her when she's at school. i'm awful =|
[18:09] <alexisb> yep
[18:09] <rick_h_> natefinch: my in-laws still try to build me a travel itenerary "You have to go see xxx and yyy and zzz" :)
[18:09] <natefinch> rick_h_: haha
[18:10] <katco> rick_h_: lol i get that too!
[18:10] <rick_h_> work, enjoy dinner...bar maybe? then bed
[18:10] <natefinch> talking with the kids over hangouts helps, but there's no replacing hugs in person
[18:10] <alexisb> rick_h_, natefinch husband jokes that I missed all the fun in school so sprints are now my frat parties
[18:11] <alexisb> natefinch, right now the hangouts are hard with jay because he cries for mommy
[18:11] <katco> ack!
[18:11] <alexisb> austin this last time was really really bad
[18:11] <katco> that has to be heart wrenching
[18:11] <alexisb> I actually stopped talking to him because it made it so hard on james
[18:11] <alexisb> which killed me
[18:11] <natefinch> alexisb: yeah, this one is going to be really bad for me, Zoë has become a huge Daddy's girl, and the first couple nights I'm sure it'll be hell trying to get her to go to bed.
[18:12] <alexisb> :(
[18:12] <natefinch> and by "for me", I mean "but much worse for my wife"
[18:12] <rick_h_> natefinch: yea, it's rough when mom asks "come here and talk to daddy" and the response is "no, I don't want to talk to him" and it's your one chance to chat in however many days
[18:12] <alexisb> the royal we
[18:12] <rick_h_> takes time for them to figure out wtf is going on as well
[18:12] <natefinch> rick_h_: that's rough
[18:12] <rick_h_> we do phone recorded video swaps now more
[18:13] <alexisb> rick_h_, that is a good idea
[18:13] <rick_h_> helps with TZ diff, and I'll record something special, so did from the top of table mountain last trip
[18:13] <rick_h_> and it's async and mom can help record something when he's in a good mood
[18:13] <rick_h_> go back/forth and helps be somewhere in the middle I think
[18:13] <katco> natefinch: oh i forgot to tell you! we got a ladybug girl book for my daughter :) she's still a little young, but she likes looking at it :)
[18:13] <natefinch> katco: awesome.. love those books :)
[18:14] <alexisb> natefinch, has all the good skinning on the kids books
[18:14] <alexisb> jay and I read "How does a dinosaur say goodnight" twice this morning
[18:14] <katco> we also just got this book "dinotrucks" i think... it's hilarious
[18:14] <katco> my nephew loves cars and stuff, so he loves it
[18:14] <rick_h_> alexisb: if your boy gets into dragons pick up 'dragons love tacos'
[18:14] <katco> alexisb: how do dinosaurs say good night? :)
[18:14] <rick_h_> got it in vegas and still a fav
[18:15] <alexisb> with a kiss and a hug and by tucking their tails in
[18:15] <katco> aw
[18:15] <alexisb> which I love to read to him because I get a kiss and a hug
[18:16] <katco> my daughter is *just* starting to give hugs and it's the best thing ever
[18:17] <voidspace> alexisb: sinzui: thanks - see you next week
[18:40] <alexisb> cherylj, ping
[18:43] <mup> Bug #1442308 was opened: 1.23 cannot deploy on vivid, but master can <ci> <local-provider> <lxc> <ubuntu-engineering> <vivid> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442308>
[18:43] <natefinch> alexisb: btw, my old co-worker just applied for that dev manager position. I don't know who the hiring manager is for that, but hopefully they'll see her as a quality candidate, even if her prior technology skill set isn't an exact match.
[18:44] <alexisb> natefinch, if you forward me her info I can ping the hiring manager
[18:44] <cherylj> alexisb: what's up?
[18:45] <alexisb> cherylj, the latest 1.23 bug may be fixed by one of your 1.24 fixes
[18:45] <alexisb> can you take a quick peak at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1442308
[18:45] <mup> Bug #1442308: 1.23 cannot deploy on vivid, but master can <ci> <local-provider> <lxc> <ubuntu-engineering> <vivid> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442308>
[18:45] <cherylj> alexisb: sure
[18:45] <alexisb> thnaks
[18:46] <cherylj> oh, the commit they're referencing is new functionality
[18:47] <cherylj> and would not fix the problem
[18:47] <cherylj> I'll look more
[18:59] <natefinch> katco: realized I missed some other spots where we were manually creating that type, and so had to move the construction into a function... much cleaner now.. and it fixes some other spots that I didn't realize also needed it: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1405/
[19:01] <katco> natefinch: tal
[19:01] <natefinch> katco: thanks... I gotta run for a bit, but will try to merge later if it passes muster
[19:01] <katco> k
[19:34] <sinzui> cherylj, can you have look at bug 1442308. Master likes vivid but 1.23 does not, and one of your commits might be the fix (though I cannot see how)
[19:34] <mup> Bug #1442308: 1.23 cannot deploy on vivid, but master can <ci> <local-provider> <lxc> <ubuntu-engineering> <vivid> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442308>
[19:35] <cherylj> sinzui: Yeah, I'm looking at that now and I know for certain that my commit wouldn't come into play here...
[19:38] <cherylj> sinzui: in the similar bug for trusty, it looks like they were able to grab the lxc log from /var/lib/juju/containers/juju-*-lxc-template/container.log. How can I get that for this vivid failure?
[19:39] <sinzui> cherylj, ha. it is still there from the last failure. let me get that to you before something cleans up
[19:40] <cherylj> sinzui: thanks :)
[19:40] <sinzui> cherylj, I can see that juju-vivid-lxc-template is still from from the last attempt too
[19:43] <sinzui> cherylj, I attached the log
[19:44] <cherylj> sinzui: thanks! I'll take a look
[20:12] <sinzui> cherylj, should I delete the current container log? will that make future runs easier to diagnose.
[20:15] <cherylj> sinzui: yes, go ahead
[20:16] <sinzui> okay
[20:18] <cherylj> sinzui: Do you know if you could grab that same log from the trusty failure?
[20:19] <sinzui> cherylj, I cannot, trusty has never failed in CI
[20:19] <sinzui> cherylj, only vivid fails
[20:21] <cherylj> sinzui: oh, I guess I'm confused about the difference between bug 1442308 and 1441319
[20:21] <mup> Bug #1442308: 1.23 cannot deploy on vivid, but master can <ci> <local-provider> <lxc> <ubuntu-engineering> <vivid> <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442308>
[20:22] <sinzui> cherylj, thumper asked me to separate the vivid issue from trusty. I reported a new bug because ubuntu-engineering want it fixed
[20:24] <cherylj> sinzui: did you ever find a log in /var/lib/juju/containers/juju-trusty-lxc-template/container.log?
[20:24] <cherylj> for bug 1441319
[20:24] <mup> Bug #1441319: intermittent: failed to retrieve the template to clone: template container juju-trusty-lxc-template did not stop <ci> <lxc> <oil> <test-failure> <vivid> <juju-core:Incomplete by cox-katherine-e> <juju-core 1.23:Incomplete by cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441319>
[20:25] <cherylj> I'm just confused because I'm comparing the two, but they're both referencing juju-vivid-lxc-template, even though failure message for 1441319 indicates juju-trusty-lxc-template
[20:25] <sinzui> cherylj, as I said CI didin't fail, oil did and they have the log
[20:26] <cherylj> ah, okay, I'll ping lmic
[20:32] <sinzui> cherylj, I will hide my vivid comment from the other bug so that it is only about oil
[20:37] <cherylj> sinzui: cool, thanks. Would it be possible to get the /var/lib/juju/containers/juju-vivid-lxc-template/container.log from the successful master run?
[20:44] <sinzui> cherylj, wasn't that what I just gave? or is the log reset at each bootstrap?
[20:45] <sinzui> cherylj, the log is not saved, so all I could get is what was left of the machine and the size lead me to think it was from many weeks of tries
[20:48] <cherylj> sinzui: I think the large size is due to this "peer has disconnected" error being repeated numerous times.
[20:48] <sinzui> understood
[20:56] <sinzui> cherylj, I have mixed news. beta4 can bootstrap and deploy trusty charms. this is good, but you need to set default-series: trusty in your env to ensure it juju doesn't try to use vivid versions of local charms
[20:57] <sinzui> my bad news is I just ran out of disk.
[20:57] * sinzui cleans up
[20:57] <cherylj> d'oh
[21:16] <sinzui> cherylj, I can document a work around for vivid deploying vivid charms. beta4 doesn't complete the vivid template. we can stop it ourselves, they destroy the env. creating and deploying again will work
[21:17] <sinzui> so as long as you don't remove a working template, Juju is good. I am going to change CI to not delete my working template
[21:24] <alexisb> thumper, ping
[21:25] <thumper> alexisb: yaas?
[21:25] <alexisb> do you mind joining the release call in 5 minutes
[21:25] <alexisb> we are going to need to make some tough calls on 1.23 and I need a clear picture of the lxc issues on vivid
[21:29] <thumper> alexisb: ok
[21:29] <thumper> will be there
[21:29] <thumper> link?
[21:29] <alexisb> sent you the invite
[21:30] <thumper> k
[21:59] <thumper> sinzui: ok, where are these vivid machines?
[22:00] <sinzui> thumper, I am going to add your key to ubuntu@vivid-slave-b.vapour.ws
[22:02] <alexisb> katco, does monring or afternoon work better for you tomorrow?
[22:02] <sinzui> thumper, try logging in.
[22:02] <sinzui> thumper, I am disable the one job on it so that CI won't use the machine
[22:02] <thumper> sinzui: I'm in
[22:03] <katco> alexisb: probably morning-ish
[22:03] <sinzui> thumper, and it looks like CI already used the machine and confirmed that master does love vivid.
[22:04] <thumper> sinzui: so master shuts down nicely, but 1.23 doesn't?
[22:04] <sinzui> thumper, the juju on the machine is the latest beta which mostly works
[22:04] <sinzui> thumper, yes
[22:04] <thumper> sinzui: ok, all I need to do is go through all that is in master that isn't in 1.23 and look for systemd stuff I guess
[22:04] <thumper> simple
[22:04] <thumper> ...
[22:05] <sinzui> thumper, but cherylj and I could not find a commit to correlate to the passes yesterday
[22:05] * thumper nods
[22:05] <thumper> I'll start from the start
[22:38] * thumper sighs
[22:38] <thumper> how do I just make a git branch refer to a particular head?
[22:38] <thumper> upstream 1.23 here
[22:44] <jw4> thumper you mean --set-upstream ?
[22:44] <jw4> git branch --set-upstream?
[22:44] <jw4> or do you mean check out a branch starting at origin/1.23
[22:45] <thumper> git checkout -t upstream/1.23
[22:45] <thumper> found that command
[22:45] <thumper> that's what I wanted
[22:45] <jw4> coolio
[22:58] <thumper> WTF? juju goes from 47 meg to 51 meg between 1.23 and 1.24
[23:17] <thumper> sinzui: I can't even seem to get 1.23 to bootstrap a local provider on vivid
[23:18] <sinzui> thumper I had just bootstrapped on that machine using local 30 minutes before our meeting
[23:18] * sinzui tries again
[23:18] <thumper> sinzui: I'm currently trying to bootstrap
[23:19] <thumper> the first time it failed with: 2015-04-09 23:05:35 ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:430 cannot initiate replica set: cannot dial mongo to initiate replicaset: no reachable servers
[23:19] <sinzui> thumper, I see master passed, but the first two tries died quickly. are you getting an error immediately
[23:19] <sinzui> oh...
[23:19] <thumper> and interestingly (FSVO) it failed to remove the .jenv file or the datadir
[23:19] <sinzui> thumper, I have seen that on this machine in the past, but not in the last few days
[23:19] <thumper> so it thought it was still bootstrapped for the next try
[23:20] <thumper> how long does the bootstrap process normally take?
[23:20] <sinzui> thumper, I using --force a lot on this machine trying to kill mongo
[23:20] <sinzui> so I may not have seen this
[23:20] <sinzui> thumper, just over a minute
[23:20] <thumper> if bootstrap fails, it shouldn't leave cruft behind
[23:20] <thumper> it is a bug if it does
[23:20] <thumper> and it is
[23:20] <thumper> which is a bug
[23:20] * thumper sadface
[23:21] <thumper> at least it was my understanding that it was a bug
[23:22] <thumper> perhaps the behaviour has changed to allow people to invesigate
[23:22] <thumper> no reachable servers... again
[23:22] <thumper> takes 5 minutes to time out
[23:23] * thumper tries a third time
[23:25] <thumper> oh... worked that time
[23:25] <thumper> yay?
[23:40] <thumper> anyone gives me the 2 minute overview of systemd commands?
[23:40] <thumper> sinzui: do you know ^^?
[23:50] <thumper> sinzui: just bootstrapped 1.23, deployed ubuntu charm, and destroyed the environment, all looked fine
[23:50] <sinzui> thumper, no mongod left running?
[23:50] <thumper> with 1.23 built locally from upstream/1.23 and copied across
[23:50] <sinzui> It happend to me 3 times
[23:50] <thumper> sinzui: not that I could tell...
[23:50] <thumper> I didn't use --force
[23:51] <sinzui> I saw a mongod running aft the message.
[23:51] <thumper> how?
[23:51] <thumper> second bootstrap worked
[23:51] <sinzui> and your 1.23 must be the same as mine because no one has committed
[23:51] <sinzui> thumper, ps ax | grep mongod
[23:52] * thumper looks
[23:52] <sinzui> but if you didn't see an error, juju thinks it did everything right
[23:52] <thumper> ok, just the one
[23:52] <thumper> for the currently running
[23:52] * thumper destroys again
[23:53] <thumper> and no mongo
[23:53] <thumper> sinzui: hangout?
[23:53] <sinzui> sure
[23:54] <thumper> sinzui: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/vivid | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.025919 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-website | [18:57] <PabloRubianes> daker: could you approve my application to LTP-DEVS so I can change the status of the merge request we talk yesterday?
[19:45] <daker> PabloRubianes: i am afk, you can just add an approve status
[19:46] <daker> We do have a bot that will take care of everything
[19:46] <PabloRubianes> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-team-portal/fix.777098/+merge/151644
[19:46] <PabloRubianes> the status are work in progress and pending
[19:46] <PabloRubianes> but none of them i'm available to change them
[19:48] <PabloRubianes> I think as the reviewer is the team and I'm not in the team yet I can't approve | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.033376 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-touch | [05:38] <Guest19276> Hello ? I have read https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/. Can you provide example which can run ?
[05:45] <Guest19276> hello ?? please help me ? I want demo to expand quickly, I am a beginner.
[06:05] <Guest19276> ello ? I have read https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/. Can you provide example which can run ?
[06:06] <Guest19276> hello ?? please help me ? I want demo to expand quickly, I am a beginner.
[06:06] <Guest19276> Hello ? I have read https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/. Can you provide example which can run ?
[06:19] <Guest19276> I just want my application to show a nitification in Notifications tab of Status Bar, and then my application can response the notification when user click it
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> Guest19276: idle in here some time, when devs are awake they might reply
[06:21] <Guest19276> OK , thanks
[06:23] <Guest19276> I will wait for devs
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> Guest19276: not sure if this can help but did you read this app? http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/You-Can-Now-Send-Web-Pages-to-Your-Ubuntu-Phone-from-Any-Browser-477581.shtml
[07:01] <Guest19276> my application just send notification to Notifications Tab in my device, not deliver notification between ubuntu touch devices。
[07:05] <ferridom> Hello everybody.
[07:06] <ferridom> Has anyone here tried to instal ubuntu phone on xperia??
[07:28] <Guest19276> Error: GDBus.Error:com.ubuntu.PushNotifications.Error: bad auth
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <sturmflut-work> dbarth_: Ping
[07:47] <sturmflut-work> dholbach: Good morning!
[07:47] <dholbach> hey sturmflut-work
[07:49] <ferridom> Good morning? My watch shows 14:48 or 2:48pm
[07:51] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: pong
[07:51] <brunch875> russia?
[07:52] <brunch875> damn russians, they even have their time wrong
[07:52] <brunch875> it's 10AM in the morning
[07:54] <ferridom> I am Indonesian.
[07:55] <brunch875> that's two countries wrong!
[07:55] <Stskeeps> http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
[07:55] <Stskeeps> :P
[07:56] <ferridom> Oh, I am sorry. Thank you Stskeeps, by telling what was that mean. :)
[08:20] <karatsu> @ubuntu dev team : congrate - i ve apt-get upgrade my bq phone => and it seems to help a lot on battery drain problem
[08:20] <brunch875> apt-get upgrade? I thought that killed the OS
[08:22] <ferridom> Does anyone here has tried to instal ubuntu phone on other device than nexus or samsung??
[08:22] <brunch875> not me
[08:24] <ogra_> brunch875, yes, it will, but not immediately if you are lucky
[08:24] <ogra_> really depends on the packages it upgrades
[08:24] <ogra_> (not all are harmful)
[08:25] <brunch875> :D time to gamble?
[08:25] <ogra_> heh
[08:26] <brunch875> is 'factory reset' affected by apt-get upgrade?
[08:26] <juzzlin_> karatsu, my Bq had a really bad battery life until I discovered that media-scanner-service took constantly 50-100% of CPU so I removed my SD card
[08:26] <brunch875> last time I factory resetted, it didn't prompt for system updates
[08:28] <juzzlin_> obviously media-scanner-service crashed every time at some point and it never finished
[08:29] <karatsu> i don t have many media on my sd card now
[08:30] <brunch875> that's some great tip juzzlin_
[08:30] <brunch875> I'll hit safely remove whenever I reboot the phone
[08:34] <ogra_> juzzlin_, did you file a bug ?
[08:35] <juzzlin_> ogra_, yes...or I actually commented on some older bug, but it seems that no-one is interested
[08:35] <ogra_> got the number ?
[08:35] <juzzlin_> wait a sec
[08:37] <juzzlin_> ogra_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediascanner2/+bug/1398614
[08:38] <ogra_> "Each time I plug my external USB hard disk the mediascanner-service process is activ and is using large amount of CPU" ???
[08:39] <ogra_> you should really have opened a new one :)
[08:40] <ogra_> the SD card is quite different to an external USB disk ... we dont allow other filesystems than vfat on the SD for example ...
[08:40] <ogra_> so i guess if you use a normal SD card, formatted with the device tool etc, that deserves a separate bug
[08:40] <juzzlin_> Yeah, I will open a new one
[08:41] <ogra_> (and USB disk could easily hang scanning due to file permissions if there is no vfat filesystem on it )
[08:43] <ogra_> oh, and just FYI, i have a 64G SDXC card in my bq phone and am at the 4th day without charging, my battery is at 48%
[08:44] <brunch875> you don't play much with the phone, do you? I have the display on at almost all times :D
[08:44] <ogra_> yeah, i want to see how long it survives wiht minimal use :)
[08:45] <ogra_> so i dont touch it to much currently (usuall i use it a lot, just not while i measure this)
[08:45] <ogra_> http://i.imgur.com/6kKZVav.png
[08:46] <ogra_> the obligatory screenshot :)
[08:46] <ogra_> brunch875, my point is that my SD card doesnt cause battery drain obviously
[08:47] <brunch875> that's a shame for me; since my case is probably the same and thus it is only me who to blame.
[08:48] <ogra_> why would it be you to blame ?
[08:48] <ogra_> there is surely something wrong if an SD drains the battery and mediascanner crashes in a loop ...
[08:48] <dbarth_> mardy: sturmflut-work is also here ^^
[08:48] <ogra_> i'm just saying thats not the normal case
[08:49] <brunch875> I haven't checked if mine crashes like that. It's probably my fault since my device is probably behaving correctly
[08:49] <mardy> dbarth_, sturmflut-work: OK, let's continue here then :-)
[08:49] <brunch875> (and I toy with it all day long)
[08:50] <ogra_> well, your SD should cause zero battery drain ... thats the point
[08:50] <ogra_> if it causes any, thats a bug
[08:50] <brunch875> I'll strip the SD card for today
[08:51] <brunch875> if I notice a massive battery gain, I'll look into it. Otherwise I'll assume it's alright.
[08:51] <ogra_> k
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cherish An Antique Day! :-D
[09:05] <brunch875> Old chairs, go! Wooo!
[09:10] * popey cherishes ogra_
[09:11] * ogra_ shakes his cane at the kids on the lawn
[09:29] <juzzlin_> ogra_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediascanner2/+bug/1442035
[09:40] <brunch875> jesus, it took me two whole hours to re-learn multiple integrals
[09:57] <karatsu> do any have test ? http://notyetthere.org/openstore-tweakgeek-and-more/
[09:57] <ogra_> i guess mzanetti has tested it :)
[09:59] <mzanetti> ogra_ guessed right :D
[10:00] <mzanetti> well... not as good as davmor would :D
[10:13] <ogra_> haha
[10:25] <sturmflut-work> mardy, dbarth_ : Sorry, we were off for lunch, I'll be back in half an hour and then I have time to debug everything
[10:34] <davmor2> Yeah I find bugs in anything right mzanetti :D
[10:34] <mzanetti> yeah...
[10:34] <mzanetti> the one in m-vs-m still annoys me btw
[10:34] <mzanetti> because it's an unfixable one :(
[10:36] <davmor2> mzanetti: you're welcome
[10:38] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: ok; keep us posted
[10:50] <sturmflut-work> dbarth_, mardy: Okay, so I made sure that the network connection is working and unobstructed and collected all the logs. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10781656/ , http://paste.ubuntu.com/10781660/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/10781663/ .
[10:51] <sturmflut-work> dbarth_, mardy: online-accounts-service didn't output anything to stdout and I saw the line "1392 credentials Password is empty" logged by signond
[10:52] <sturmflut-work> The SSL error was down to a captive WiFi portal
[10:53] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: so you mean that the SSL error is solved; or the problem still happens?
[10:53] <sturmflut-work> dbarth_: The SSL error is solved, but the problem itself persists
[10:53] <mardy> dbarth_: OA is fine, the problem is here: file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.googleplus/0.4/webview-override.qml:21:1: module "com.canonical.Oxide" version 1.4 is not installed
[10:53] <dbarth_> ah ok
[10:53] <sturmflut-work> How can I take a screenshot of the device? I keep forgetting the procedure
[10:54] <mardy> sturmflut-work: both volume keys at the same time
[10:54] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: phablet-screenshot
[10:54] <nhaines> sturmflut-work: both at once!
[10:55] <sturmflut-work> Argh, thanks a lot. I kept trying combinations of a single volume button and the power button
[11:00] <sturmflut-work> mardy: Is the Oxide 1.4 module missing because this is not the most recent image? I'm still on r16 (the image the phone was shipped with) because we were looking for a possible bug in the updater
[11:02] <mardy> sturmflut-work: I don't know, dbarth_ should know better about oxide
[11:10] <pstolowski> seb128, hey, re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1438633; where do i find regulatory info? i can try to debug the issue if somebody tells me where to look
[11:12] <juzzlin_> I've seen that also with at least the browser
[11:13] <juzzlin_> Of course that might be totally irrelevant
[11:39] <jgdx> pstolowski, isn't that in Settings -> About?
[11:40] <sturmflut-work> dbarth_, mardy: I think I found it. krillin r16 ships with liboxideqt-qmlplugin:armhf version 1.3.5-0ubuntu0.14.10.1~rtm, while r20 seems to come with version 1.4.2-0ubuntu0.14.10.1 .
[11:42] <mardy> sturmflut-work: ok. Do you think that it's a but in the webapp? Maybe it should continue using oxide 1.3, it it uses the 14.10 framework
[11:44] <bzoltan> ogra_: do you have a minute for me? I have some silly questions :)
[11:44] <ogra_> there are no silly questions ...
[11:44] <ogra_> just ask :)
[11:44] <seb128> pstolowski, in the about panel
[11:45] <bzoltan> ogra_: I have a rootfs... and I would like to dump on it an other rootfs in a way that I can revert it if I want. Something like the image based update.
[11:45] <bzoltan> ogra_: what is the best way to do that?
[11:47] <ogra_> bzoltan, the image based update isnt revertable
[11:47] <ogra_> we actually replace files in the readonly space
[11:47] <ogra_> bzoltan, is that on a phone or for your build env stuff ?
[11:48] <jgdx> pstolowski, also, can you attach the USS log ?
[11:48] <bzoltan> ogra_: I tell you what i want. I want an ubuntu-core-5.04 fw ... no toolchain, no APIs, no nothing... and I want to plug in whatever I need, pack it up and call it "bzoltan's cools SDK"
[11:48] <bzoltan> ogra_: so it is a build env stuff ...
[11:49] <ogra_> cool
[11:49] <bzoltan> ogra_: No chrooting, no apt-get, no nothing ... just simple dumps, but controlled
[11:49] <pstolowski> seb128, do i need a sim card to see it (cause i don't have one)?
[11:49] <seb128> pstolowski, I guess so
[11:50] <seb128> pstolowski, can you try to go to battery and try to open the subpanels there then?
[11:50] <ogra_> you can grab a rootfs tarball and push it into an img file you create ... then take your other part and push that into an img file too, thenuse overlayfs to merge them (with a third img file or a tmpfs to add writability)
[11:50] <seb128> pstolowski, well, in fact that's not going to help much...
[11:50] <seb128> pstolowski, I though maybe it was failing to resolve the plugin to load, but your video shows the update panel for some seconds, so it's correctly loading it
[11:51] <seb128> I've no clue about that issue :-/
[11:51] <ogra_> bzoltan, the mounting will require sudo though ... (there are sudo-less ways but more complicated)
[11:51] <bzoltan> ogra_: sudo is not a problem
[11:51] <sturmflut-work> mardy: I am not sure I fully understand the problem. Let me try. The webapp manifest claims that com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.googleplus_0.4 is based on "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-14.10", but it uses Oxide 1.4, which is not part of this framework, right?
[11:51] <ogra_> ok, well, then do two img files and a tmpfs in an overlayfs mount
[11:52] <bzoltan> ogra_: but why do need image files in this process?
[11:52] <pstolowski> seb128, battery panels look ok
[11:52] <seb128> pstolowski, ok, thanks for trying
[11:52] <ogra_> bzoltan, mount needs "devices" to mount ...
[11:52] <sturmflut-work> mardy: So Click thinks the app will run on my phone and allows the package to be installed, but then the app fails
[11:52] <ogra_> the img files are fake partitions
[11:52] <pstolowski> jgdx, USS?
[11:52] <bzoltan> ogra_: ahh.. I see
[11:53] <jgdx> pstolowski, ubuntu system settings log at ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log
[11:53] <mardy> sturmflut-work: yes, that's my understanding as well
[11:53] <bzoltan> ogra_: so itis all about tar, img files, overlayfs and tmpfs
[11:53] <ogra_> bzoltan, so your img file actually needs a filesystem and you need to unpack the tarball into it while you have it mounted
[11:54] <pstolowski> jgdx, right. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10782125/
[11:54] <ogra_> right
[11:54] <bzoltan> ogra_: nice, thanks for your help
[11:54] <ogra_> np
[11:54] <ogra_> ask again if you hit any roadblocks :)
[11:56] <bzoltan> ogra_: I will :) The biggest blocker right now is to define and implement the real frameworks... the actual frameworks are too minimalistic for my taste. they just list .deb package names... no versions, no content, no API listing. So what I will do is a hierarchical framework (API definition) structure what you can extensively plug in to a core tootfs.
[11:57] <bzoltan> ogra_: I will start with the UITK and the Qt frameworks on QML level... the C++ level is a bit tricky as it is all about ABIs and not APIs
[11:59] <jgdx> pstolowski, is that truncated? Maybe the one where you enter the updates panel got rotated? Could you enter the updates panel (recreating the symptom of the bug) and then re-upload the log?
[12:00] <ogra_> bzoltan, make sure to coordinate that with the snappy guys ... click will go away at some point and your framework needs to work in the snap world then
[12:01] <pstolowski> jgdx, oh wow, i cannot reproduce it now.. could going to updates the other way fix it? i could reproduce it tens of times before...
[12:02] <jgdx> pstolowski, Settings -> About -> Check… does not go blank?
[12:02] <pstolowski> jgdx, ah, ok, got it again now
[12:03] <jgdx> cool
[12:03] <pstolowski> jgdx, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10782180/
[12:04] <jgdx> mardy, do you have any way of asserting that an account is 'ok'?
[12:05] <seb128> jgdx, pstolowski, those "Components/PageWrapperUtils.js:30: TypeError: Cannot read property 'createObject' of null" seems are weird
[12:05] <seb128> jgdx, well, accounts seems ok since opening the panel from the main settings grid works and installing clicks from the dash as well...
[12:06] <jgdx> seb128, but can you recreate it?
[12:06] <mardy> jgdx: if it's about the U1 account I don't (other than checking that it exists), dobey should know better
[12:06] <seb128> jgdx, no, I can't :-/
[12:06] <mardy> jgdx: but yes, if you can install apps from the store, then I guess it means that the account is ok
[12:06] <jgdx> mardy, okay, thanks.
[12:07] <sturmflut-work> mardy: I am a bit confused, is Oxide even officially part of the 14.10 framework? I can't find it in the QML API docs.
[12:08] <jgdx> pstolowski, thank you. The lack of complaints regarding your u1 accounts is new, so I'm attaching it to the bug
[12:10] <mardy> sturmflut-work: difficult question :-) Let's wait for dbarth_
[12:12] <dbarth_> oxide is part of 14.10 yes
[12:12] <dbarth_> i don't think that the oxide warning message is the reason for the issue
[12:13] <bzoltan> ogra_: I am doing it for the snap word :) and click is not that relevant, but schroot should be sacked for good
[12:13] <pstolowski> jgdx, yw
[12:13] <bzoltan> ogra_: But who is the image/rootfs doer on the snappy side?
[12:14] <ogra_> bzoltan, mvo
[12:15] <bzoltan> ogra_: of course :) who else
[12:18] <jgdx> seb128, pstolowski, I can repro
[12:19] <dobey> jgdx, pstolowski, seb128: what's this about?
[12:20] <seb128> jgdx, how?
[12:20] <jgdx> seb128, I'm adding the details to the bug now.
[12:21] <jgdx> dobey, it's a bit unclear, but give me some time.
[12:23] <jgdx> pstolowski, you can repro without reboot, just kill USS. FYI
[12:24] <bzoltan> mvo: we have even more reason to talk :) The snapcraft work is on the corner already.
[12:24] <jgdx> dobey, humor me: if I start setting up a U1 account, but enter the wrong password and then terminate the process (cancel). What happens?
[12:26] <pstolowski> jgdx, ok.. i haven't had any problems reproducing it so far, it seems broken for good for me, when it worked a moment ago it was for the first time in ~20 attempts
[12:26] <dobey> jgdx: then you don't have an account
[12:26] <jgdx> dobey, and no files are craeted
[12:27] <dobey> well no files are created in success either, but sure
[12:27] <jgdx> dobey, any data?
[12:28] <dobey> yes, in the accounts and signon databases on success; but not on failure
[12:28] <jgdx> dobey, okay. Thanks
[12:52] <sturmflut-work> dbarth_: But apart from that, and if Oxide is part of 14.10, which exact version is part of 14.10? krillin r16 was shipped with 1.3 and r20 with 1.4, and both releases claim to conform to the 14.10 framework. So now we have a production device where a developer might decide to use Oxide 1.4 because the device and image version he uses to develop his app supports it, and at the same time there are users who lag a bit behind
[12:52] <sturmflut-work> and can't run the app, but Click can't detect the problem.
[13:00] <dobey> sturmflut-work: the Oxide qml component itself is not part of the SDK. Ubuntu.Web is, and I don't think that's changed
[13:01] <dobey> sturmflut-work: if you're importing oxide directly, you're taking advantage of the fact that it's there, but it's not a supported part of the SDK
[13:20] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: we have code that ensures that depending on the framework used by the app, you run on either oxide or qtwebkit
[13:20] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: but again, i don't think that's cause for that error
[13:35] <sturmflut-work> dobey, dbarth_ : Ah! That makes much more sense, thanks!
[14:13] <seb128> dobey, hey
[14:13] <seb128> on my bq rtm 267 image, I installed a calendar app update through settings, went back to the dash, long clicked on the calendar icon to see the click store details/changelog for the new version, clicked on the open button from the detail page
[14:13] <seb128> that failed to start it, trying to run the old version
[14:13] <seb128> WARNING **: Unable to find keyfile for application 'com.ubuntu.calendar_calendar_0.4.600'
[14:14] <seb128> dobey, is that a click scope issue? do you know if it's known?
[14:14] <seb128> dobey, unsure if you are the right person to ask about that :-)
[14:16] <dobey> seb128: that sounds like a regression in the updates panel maybe. it's supposed to call the dbus signal to refresh the scope. sounds like it didn't get refreshed though.
[14:18] <seb128> dobey, but the scope page displayed the new version number with the corresponding changelog
[14:18] <seb128> I read the changelog before clicking open
[14:19] <dobey> seb128: that information comes from the store, so it will always show the latest no matter what version you have installed
[14:19] <seb128> k
[14:19] <seb128> dobey, I switched away from the settings app before the install was finished it seems
[14:20] <seb128> dobey, so maybe my fault, that blocked the refresh signal
[14:20] <dobey> yeah, that might do it :-/
[14:21] <seb128> dobey, I wonder if it would make sense to force a refresh and retry if the version is not found
[14:22] <dobey> seb128: i think the settings plug-in needs to be fixed to run the install helper script for the scope, rather than calling the dbus method from within qt
[14:23] <seb128> mandel, ^ :-)
[14:24] <mandel> seb128, gosh.. I hate that code, dobey what do you suggest, we need to rewrite all that
[14:25] <mandel> dobey, I'm going to kill diego
[14:25] <dobey> lol
[14:26] <seb128> mandel, while you are rewriting it, might be nice to make it use libclick rather than the click command line ;-)
[14:26] * seb128 stops there and hides
[14:26] <mandel> seb128, 100% agreed
[14:27] <mandel> seb128, I'm going to stop myself from doing it because we have a sprint and I want to do it with you guys around (will you be present)?
[14:28] <seb128> mandel, at the core sprint in 10 days? no, desktop is not invinted, we have our own week in London the week after that...
[14:28] <dobey> seb128: no
[14:28] <seb128> but maybe kenvandine is going to be there?
[14:28] <dobey> better to make it use the helper shell script that is in unity-scope-click
[14:28] <dobey> so stuff will work even when you switch away from system settings
[14:32] <seb128> dobey, thanks for the suggestion
[14:55] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i updated that sharelink MP, hopefully that's better :)
[14:56] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, thanks, I’ll take a look shortly
[14:56] <kenvandine> thx
[15:02] <mvo> bzoltan: heh, we will see each other in person next week, right?
[15:03] <bzoltan> mvo: It depends. if you plan to visit Helsinki :) then yes. But sadly the SDK team was not invited to the party ..
[15:10] <mvo> bzoltan: oh, good. would be a good time to catchup, when do you guys have the next sprint?
[15:11] <bzoltan> mvo: no idea yet.. we should have a sprint to focus on the top prioroty stories.. like scope development and snappy
[16:11] <Cymbvgh> notly hy
[16:27] <dadexix86> is there a way to restart an indicator that crashes, apart from rebooting?
[16:28] <ogra_> you can try to restart it from the terminal app i think+
[16:30] <ogra_> (they are just user upstart jobs, so something like: "initctl restart indicator-foobar")
[16:31] <dadexix86> ok, next time that happens I will try it this way :)
[16:31] <dadexix86> ogra_, thanks
[16:32] <ogra_> well, thanks me once it worked, i'm not sure if the terminal-app environment has access to upstart ... adb definitely has though
[16:32] <ogra_> (but that requires a PC indeed)
[16:58] <bzoltan> ogra_: do you have a wiki/braindump/whatever about how and/or with what tool do you usually create the img file from the rootfs/chroot?
[16:59] <ogra_> no, thats rather complex
[17:01] <ogra_> bzoltan, oh, you are referring to our former conversation ...
[17:01] <bzoltan> ogra_: yes
[17:02] <ogra_> dd if=/dev/zero of=./myimage.img bs=1M count=512
[17:02] <ogra_> that creates a 512MB file called myimg.img
[17:02] <bzoltan> ogra_: that one I am familiar with :D
[17:02] <bzoltan> dd lives next door
[17:03] <ogra_> mkfs.ext4 ./myimage.img
[17:03] <ogra_> mkdir mymuntpoint ...
[17:03] <ogra_> sudo mount -o loop ./myimage.img mymountpoint
[17:03] <ogra_> and then you can extract your tarball under mymountpoint
[17:03] <bzoltan> clear
[17:04] <bzoltan> how to pack it back?
[17:04] <ogra_> pack it back ?
[17:04] <ogra_> you just unmount it
[17:04] <bzoltan> ogra_: and the myimage.img will just magically contain the changes?
[17:05] * bzoltan feels ashamed
[17:05] <ogra_> it will contain what you unpacked there
[17:05] <ogra_> its like a partition :)
[17:05] <bzoltan> of course
[17:05] <bzoltan> it is indeed a partition from loop device
[17:05] <ogra_> right
[17:06] <bzoltan> ogra_: sweet, thanks
[17:06] <ogra_> for the overlayfs stuff i fear i cant help you ...
[17:06] <ogra_> you will have to read up about it ...
[17:06] <bzoltan> ogra_: that one I can handle ... I almost made the SDK testing with that
[17:06] <ogra_> i know it allows to do similar stuff aufs does ... which is what i'm familiar with ... but thats deprecated
[17:07] <bzoltan> ogra_: I played with overlayfs... it is not complicated
[17:07] <ogra_> yeah, i guess so
[17:07] * bzoltan goes and start creating frameworks
[17:07] * ogra_ just didnt have to touch such stuff in years
[17:09] <brunch875> /part returning home
[17:10] * brunch875 feels awkward
[19:27] <meles> how can i install apps on ubuntu-touch via the terminal?
[19:32] <popey> meles: http://askubuntu.com/a/603069/612 or http://askubuntu.com/a/599489/612
[19:34] <meles> popey: but i m not talking about a local deb or click package, but about stuff from the software center.
[19:34] <meles> popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/607336/terminal-command-to-install-apps-on-ubuntu-touch
[19:34] <dobey> meles: there is no CLI for the click app store at the moment
[19:35] <popey> meles: what do you want to install?
[19:36] <meles> dobey: bad news but thanks for the info. I have an issue with my GPS and BQ Support suggested to reset. But I'm not willing to do that if i have to do everything manually.
[19:36] <meles> popey ^
[19:36] <dobey> installng from the app store requires a u1 account, and the only way to sign in with a u1 account is via the UI
[19:37] <popey> meles: we may have a fix coming for GPS issues
[19:37] <dobey> meles: you can re-falsh without replacing the installed apps or your current settings. there should also be an OTA update soon which might fix some of the problems you're seeing
[19:39] <meles> popey, dobey: so the issue is wider spread?
[19:39] <dobey> others have reported some issues with GPS resolution yes
[19:40] <dobey> i don't know what issue you're having specifically of course :)
[19:40] <meles> ok than i will just wait for a fix, since I anyway expect reseting not o help.
[19:40] <popey> thanks for your patience meles
[19:41] <meles> well Wifi and cell positioning works, gps doesn't
[19:42] <meles> popey, dobey thanks for your help. does anyone want to answer this question. otherwise i will just comment it with your info.
[19:45] <meles> popey, dobey sorry i forgot the link: http://askubuntu.com/questions/607336/terminal-command-to-install-apps-on-ubuntu-touch
[19:46] <popey> you basically can't
[19:46] <popey> unless you have a local copy of the click packages
[19:46] <dobey> answered
[19:46] <popey> you could script it.
[19:46] <dobey> which you don't, becasue the downloaded .click is deleted immediately after it's installed
[19:46] <popey> well, i wasn't assuming that
[19:46] <popey> i was saying if you have a local _copy_
[19:47] <popey> (which I do)
[19:47] <dobey> well _you_ are special :)
[19:47] <popey> hah
[19:47] <om26er> this simple script does wonders for me for install .click on the device. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785276/
[19:48] <om26er> I call it phablet-click-install
[19:48] <om26er> ;)
[19:48] <meles> om26er: thanks but i was wanting stuff from the software center
[19:48] <dobey> om26er: /if/ you have a .click file that works yes
[19:49] <meles> dobey: thanks for the answer on askubuntu
[19:49] <davmor2> meles: why not install from the store
[19:49] <dobey> davmor2: he's trying to automate it
[19:49] <davmor2> ah okay that makes more sense
[19:49] <dobey> davmor2: ie, "reinstall previously installed packages" feature
[19:50] <meles> davmor2: well thats what i mean.
[19:50] <meles> davmor2: but after a reset that wont work
[20:03] <daixtr> newbie question: does ubuntu app phone store creating separate binaries for each app? I mean, how can it achieve phone-desktop compatibilty?
[20:04] <popey> daixtr: depends, if it's a pure qml app (like calendar & music) then the same code runs everywhere
[20:04] <daixtr> what's the de-facto development language for ubuntu phone apps? Is it C?
[20:05] <popey> daixtr: if it's an app which contains binaries (like terminal and file manager) we can make "Fat" packages which contain binaries for multiple platforms
[20:05] <popey> https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.nskaggs.filemanager for example is a fat package
[20:05] <daixtr> i've been doing C programming for linux..
[20:06] <popey> most of ours is qml or c++
[20:07] <daixtr> so this https://uappexplorer.com/ is like, the equivalent for android's google play?
[20:08] <popey> kinda
[20:08] <popey> it's a community maintained frontend to our store
[20:09] <popey> we have an "official" one in the works, but that's not live yet
[20:09] <daixtr> so what's the development feel... is it like the gcc/make thing?
[20:09] <dobey> apt-get install ubuntu-sdk and see :)
[20:09] <daixtr> ok
[20:10] <vitimiti> popey, I didn't ask about hits but I didn't know about it. It's interesting
[20:10] <vitimiti> this*
[20:10] <popey> vitimiti: que?
[20:11] <popey> daixtr: http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[20:11] <vitimiti> popey, I was saying that this you said about the app explorer and the "fat" packages was interesting
[20:11] <vitimiti> Sorry for my English
[20:11] <daixtr> i noticed that ubuntu phone does not use the 'home' hardware button.. if i install ubuntu into my galaxy s5, will this 'home' physical button be useless?
[20:12] <popey> we dont use any of the soft android buttons
[20:12] <popey> vitimiti: ahh, sorry :)
[20:12] <popey> daixtr: and I don't know if the galaxy s5 is a supported device
[20:12] <popey> !devices
[20:13] <daixtr> ok.. anyhow,.. whatever device ... i noticed that ubuntu phone is not using any home button
[20:13] <popey> correct
[20:13] <daixtr> why?
[20:13] <popey> our user interface doesn't use it
[20:13] <vitimiti> It's gestures based
[20:13] <daixtr> i mean, but can we put it to good use? like map it to something useful? can ubuntu os do it?
[20:14] <popey> we don't use it, and I don't believe there's any plan to map it to anything
[20:14] <popey> in the future we may be on devices that have no soft buttons, so we shouldn't expect them
[20:14] <daixtr> ok.. but can the OS generate events, or i can program on it..?
[20:15] <jdstrand> beuno: fyi, NOS approved and fix is in r430
[20:15] <daixtr> or does the OS totally ignores it like it does not exist?
[20:15] <popey> the latter
[20:18] <daixtr> are gtk/qt applications directly run on it? (sorry i'll read the docs later promise) i need to know ahead what's in front of me so i'll know
[20:18] <popey> existing desktop apps won't work out of the box
[20:19] <popey> we don't have X on the phone, but use Mir.
[20:19] <jdstrand> beuno: I noticed 'wget' in the store too and commented
[20:19] <popey> In the future Xmir may be on the device.
[20:20] <beuno> thanks jdstrand
[20:20] <daixtr> if i drop to cli terminal in ubuntu phone, does it have a multi-user.. shell.. such as i can create new users 'useradd', etc.. crontab -e.. and so on?
[20:22] <dobey> not really, no
[20:23] <dobey> it may be possible to create additional terminal users, but / is read-only, and the UI doesn't yet support multiple user scenarios
[20:23] <dobey> so it's not useful to do that on the phone really
[20:50] <daixtr> dobey: how about any scheduling mechanism.. like crontab.. if i want to run a program regularly..
[20:50] <beuno> daixtr, not currently available, no
[20:50] <beuno> its the same as a background task
[20:50] <popey> i thought we supported user crontabs?
[20:51] <beuno> we'll need to figure out the right way to do it
[20:51] <beuno> popey, not AFAIK
[20:51] <dobey> popey: i don't think so
[20:51] <popey> pretty sure ogra_ said so recently
[20:51] * popey throws ogra_ under the cron bus
[20:51] <dobey> i'm pretty sure that part of the fs is read-only
[20:51] <daixtr> do i have the ability to run a daemon program then?
[20:52] <beuno> daixtr, no, no background processes
[20:52] <beuno> your app is either running and on the screen
[20:52] <beuno> or stopped
[20:52] <daixtr> what's the shell.. is it busybox?
[20:52] <daixtr> or does it / can it have a bash?
[20:52] <beuno> daixtr, it is a phone, restricted to what apps can do so the user's phone doesn't get crippled
[20:52] <dobey> daixtr: what are you trying to do exactly?
[20:53] <daixtr> nothing.. i'm just ranging...
[20:53] <dobey> daixtr: you can basically do whatever you want on your own phone, but it's not really supported
[20:53] <dobey> daixtr: but you can't do background processes and such in an app you want to build and put in the store
[20:54] <dobey> doing unsupported stuff on your own phone is basically a "you get to keep both pieces when it breaks" situation
[20:54] <dobey> it's unsupported because we can't reasonably support it :)
[20:55] <dobey> the phone as a consumer product is ubuntu, but it has sandboxing and other security things to prevent malicious apps from destroying your battery or shipping your data off to a server in russia and such
[20:56] <daixtr> about the kernel.. is the inotify stripped out?
[20:56] <dobey> it's an older kernel, as we have to use the AOSP android kernel to have working hardware
[20:57] <dobey> i don't know if inotify is enabled in it or not, but i don't think an app could use it under confinement, either way
[21:02] <daixtr> is the mode of development for ubuntu phone, a cross-compiling one?
[21:04] <dobey> yes
[21:07] <daixtr> well.. i just read a seconds ago.. qml/javascript seems to be main language.. but C++ cross-compiling detail is to be announce yet when full sdk is released...
[21:08] <daixtr> so clearly, i see here that its diverging from Android's java-based lang... i'm just curious, why this different development choice...
[21:09] <dobey> it's not diverging from android's java at all. it's completely unrelated
[21:09] <daixtr> i read qml... and i see javascript...
[21:09] <dobey> android's java is what diverges from java
[21:09] <daixtr> well.. javascript is not a proper language..
[21:10] <dobey> qml is not javascript
[21:10] <dobey> then don't write javascript if you don't like javascript
[21:10] <dobey> anyway, i have to go now
[22:19] <ogra_> beuno, popey, we have cron installed ... but it will indeed miss scheduled events if the device is asleep, it operates normally if the device is awake though
[23:34] <beuno> ogra_, ew. | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.049879 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-mir | [14:19] <mterry> XMir still opens input devices itself it seems. Is there a way to disable that yet and just use Mir input directly?
[15:52] <kenvandine> greyback_, any chance of getting your window-close-support branch landed soon?
[15:53] <greyback_> kenvandine: it's not been on my list of priorities tbh. qtmir needs work to enable first asking window to close politely, then waiting a bit, before timing out and killing it
[15:54] <greyback_> so that branch cannot be landed alone
[15:54] <kenvandine> bummer
[15:54] <kenvandine> ok
[15:54] <kenvandine> i've been quietly watching and hoping :)
[15:54] <greyback_> kenvandine: welcome to add a card to our scrum backlog, that'll get it moved along
[15:54] <kenvandine> not sure i have access to do that
[15:54] <greyback_> I'll do it
[15:54] <kenvandine> thx
[16:43] <mterry> XMir doesn't seem to get the screen size right -- can it not talk to Mir correctly to query that? | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.055062 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-ko | [00:05] <Work^Seony> 오늘은 일하기싫어 죽겠네요
[00:05] <Work^Seony> 걍 퇴근해버릴까 고민 중입니다..
[00:05] <AutoWiZ_znc> 애고 .. 뭔가 일할 맛이 나는 거리가 하나 있어야 하는데 말이지요
[00:05] <AutoWiZ_znc> 저도 실은 오늘 좀 쉴까 생각중이에요 잠을 너무 못자서 그런지 아무 의욕도 없고 스트레스만 받고
[00:07] <Work^Seony> 오늘은 일단 집에가면 폭풍겜질 하려구요 ㅎㅎ
[00:08] <AutoWiZ_znc> 생활의 활력을 위해 가끔씩 게임을 열심히 해 줄 필요가 있다고 생각합니다 ㅎㅎ
[00:08] <razGon_MINILA> 저는 요즘 화초키우기 하렵니다.
[00:08] <razGon_MINILA> 바질과 로켓샐러드, 애플민트.
[00:08] <AutoWiZ_znc> 그건 어디서 나온 게임이에요?? ㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[00:08] <Work^Seony> 오 바질...
[00:08] <Work^Seony> 바질향 좋아합니다 ㅎㅎ
[00:08] <razGon_MINILA> 서니님, 요리시에 허브 들어가는 거 뭐있으세ㅐ요?
[00:08] <razGon_MINILA> 저도 바질 정말 좋아해여
[00:09] <AutoWiZ_znc> 외국은 바질 정말 많이 쓴다고
[00:09] <AutoWiZ_znc> 들었어요 ㅎ
[00:09] <Work^Seony> 음... 글쎄요 뭐 줏어들은건 많은데 제가 요리를 잘 못해서 모르겠어요
[00:09] <Work^Seony> 실란트로는 한국사람들 대부분이 싫어하니까 잘 안넣고..
[00:09] <razGon_MINILA> 이탈리아 요리의 고추죠.
[00:09] <Work^Seony> 근데 저도 근래 들어서 실란트로가 좋아지기 시작했어요
[00:10] <Work^Seony> 예전엔 베트남 쌀국수 먹다가 실란트로 보이면 죄다 건져냈는데 지금은 걍 먹습니다 ㅎㅎ
[00:10] <razGon_MINILA> 향신료 종류가 많은데 그 향을 잘이용하면 그저그런 요리가 확바뀌죠.
[00:10] <razGon_MINILA> 아.
[00:10] <razGon_MINILA> 코리엔더
[00:11] <razGon_MINILA> 고수나물이라고 하죠.
[00:11] <Work^Seony> 아 네 한국에서 고수 라고 부르는거 같더라구요
[00:11] <Work^Seony> 실란트로 라고 부릅니다
[00:11] <razGon_MINILA> 의외로 많이 쓰이는 향신료에요.
[00:11] <razGon_MINILA> 멕시코의 살사 소스에도 쓰이죠.
[00:12] <razGon_MINILA> 약간 비릿한 행주맛이 나지만, 이게 국물과 만낫을떄 감칠맛은.
[00:12] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎ
[00:12] <razGon_MINILA> 문제는 베트남 쌀국수를 제대로 만드는 데가 적다는 거죠.
[00:12] <Work^Seony> 사실 실란트로가 알게모르게 많이 쓰여요. 그걸 대놓게 씹히게 안해서 그렇지...
[00:12] <razGon_MINILA> 진한 국물에서 향신료가 잘 어우러지는데, 거의 갈비탕 수준으로 밍맹 하게 만들어서 이상한 맛이 나오죠
[00:12] <Work^Seony> 베트남 쌀국수 국물도 주재료로 실란트로를 반드시 넣어야 그 맛이 나거든요...
[00:13] <Work^Seony> 아... 한국에서는 쌀국수 못먹어봤어요
[00:13] <razGon_MINILA> 옙 적극 동의합니다. !!
[00:13] <razGon_MINILA> 한국도 쌀국수 잘하는데는 몇곳밖에 안되요. 베트남식.
[00:13] <razGon_MINILA> 압구정 리틀사이공. 여의도 하노이의 아침.
[00:13] <razGon_MINILA> 이게 지점마다 편차가 넘커요.
[00:14] <Work^Seony> 그렇군요...
[00:14] <Work^Seony> 딴데도 다 그렇겠지만, 하와이에서는 베트남 사람이 쌀국수집을 해서 어딜가나 다 맛있어요
[00:15] <razGon_MINILA> 그것도 잘해야 되요. 광주에서 했는데, 향신료를 제대로 못써서 심한 비린 맛이 나서요.
[00:15] <razGon_MINILA> 만든사람이 베트남사람.
[00:15] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎ
[00:16] <razGon_MINILA> 제가 향신료를 좋아하게 된게 대학떄 자취하면서 스파게티 만들기 시작하면서 좋아햇어요
[00:16] <Work^Seony> Costco가면 워낙 향신료랑 허브가 넘쳐나서, 사실 저랑 제 와이프도 뭘 사야할지 잘 모르는 편이에요
[00:17] <Work^Seony> 아 뭐 하긴 costco 말고 동네 마트만 가도 그렇긴 해요
[00:17] <razGon_MINILA> 거기에 전공의떄 서울로 올라오면서 피자에 무슨 풀을 뿌리는데 향기가 좋아서 알아보니 루꼴라.
[00:17] <razGon_MINILA> 로켓샐러드
[00:17] <razGon_MINILA> 하와이는 기후가 좋아서 허브키우기 좋을 거에요
[00:17] <Work^Seony> 동네에 지중해식 파는 곳이 있는데 진짜 맛있꺼든요. 거기가 실란트로를 많이 써요
[00:17] <razGon_MINILA> 바질과 로즈마리, 양고기드시면 커민 추천해요
[00:17] <Work^Seony> 하지만, 저는 실란트로를 싫어한다는 사실! ㅎㅎ
[00:18] <razGon_MINILA> 자체는 별루죠. 다른 것과 어우러져야 좋아요
[00:18] <Work^Seony> 네 맞아요
[00:18] <Work^Seony> 그게 요리에 들어가면 달라지더라구요
[00:18] <razGon_MINILA> 갈증을 많이 느끼는 하와이라면 생바질잎을 이용한 레몬수 괜찮아요
[00:18] <Work^Seony> 요즘 티비에서 요리프로가 유행이던데, 저도 요리 좀 해볼까 생각 중이에요 ㅎㅎ
[00:19] <razGon_MINILA> 물. 1.5-2리터. 에 바질 2-3잎 넣구. 레몬즙 몇스푼 넣구. 냉장고에 몇시간 두면
[00:19] <razGon_MINILA> 청량감이 좋은 레몬바질수입니다. 마시면 건강해지는 느낌이 납니다.
[00:19] <razGon_MINILA> 뭐랄까 탄산음료와 다른 상쾌한 맛나요.
[00:19] <razGon_MINILA> 한국도 요즘 유행합니다.
[00:20] <razGon_MINILA> 저 요즘 올리브 티비 많이 봐요.
[00:20] <Work^Seony> 예전에 제 사무실 동료는, 자기 와이프가 콤부챠 라는걸 만들었다고 되게 좋아하던데 아직 못먹어봤어요
[00:20] <razGon_MINILA> 오늘은 뭐먹지, 올리브쇼,
[00:21] <Dracokr> 음
[00:22] <razGon_MINILA> 홍차로 만든 발효차군요./
[00:22] <razGon_MINILA> 콤푸차
[00:22] <razGon_MINILA> 비타민C가 많다는. 홍차버섯차
[00:23] <Work^Seony> 네 몸에 좋은 건데, 기운나게 하는 음료 같은 거더라구요...
[00:23] <DarkCircle> 뭔가 느낌은 홍차에 영지버섯 끓인 느낌
[00:25] <razGon_MINILA> ㅇㅇ
[00:26] <razGon_MINILA> http://www.vitamincall.com/2012/03/kombucha.html
[00:26] <AutoWiZ_znc> 콤푸차? 콤퓨타?
[00:26] <razGon_MINILA> 오늘은 뭐먹지 추천해요. 한식 드신다면요.
[00:26] <razGon_MINILA> 올리브 티브이.
[00:28] <Work^Seony> 요즘 냉장고를 부탁해가 재밌더라구요
[00:28] <razGon_MINILA> 아 그것도 좋죠. 좀 전문가 스럽지만요.
[00:28] <Work^Seony> 제가 매주마다 보는 몇 안되는 티비 프로 중 하나입니다.
[00:28] <razGon_MINILA> 아마쪽으로는 오늘은 뭐먹지 추천입니다.
[00:29] <razGon_MINILA> 한번은 자가 요리. 다른 한번은 전문가 지도하에. 주2회합니ㅏㄷ.
[00:33] <razGon_MINILA> 안하던 필드를 들어가는건 정말 힘들군요.
[00:33] <Work^Seony> 글쵸
[00:36] <razGon_MINILA> 파이선에 대한 감잡는데 또 어느정도 걸립니다.
[00:37] <razGon_MINILA> 책을 읽으면 이해가는 논리인데. 막상 자판에 쓰려니 잘안되네요.
[00:37] <razGon_MINILA> syntax에러나오고...ㅠ.ㅠ\
[00:37] <razGon_MINILA> 결국은 버츄얼 스튜디오 설치.ㅋ
[00:38] <Work^Seony> 그거 무지 무겁지 않나요?
[00:38] <razGon_MINILA> 엄청 무겁던데요.
[00:38] <Work^Seony> 그냥 서블라임 텍스트 같은거 받아서 쓰시는게 더 나으실텐데요
[00:38] <razGon_MINILA> 아...
[00:38] <razGon_MINILA> 물어볽걸.ㅋㅋ
[00:38] <razGon_MINILA> 맥으로 쓰면 무엇을 추천하시나요?
[00:38] <Work^Seony> 맥으로도 서블라임 텍스트요 ㅎㅎ
[00:38] <razGon_MINILA> 아...
[00:38] <razGon_MINILA> 윈도우는요?
[00:39] <Work^Seony> 윈도우두요. 프로그래밍 에디터로는 서블라임이 우주 통일하지 않았나요 ㅋ
[00:39] <razGon_MINILA> 집에서는 맥북으로 하고
[00:39] <razGon_MINILA> 아... 그렇군요.ㅋ
[00:39] <Work^Seony> 개인적으로는 Vim을 추천드리고 싶지만, 익숙치 않으시다면...
[00:39] <razGon_MINILA> 제가 코딩계로는 20년만에 옵니다.ㅋㅋ
[00:39] <razGon_MINILA> 그떄는 GWbasic, C언어.ㅋㅋ
[00:40] <Work^Seony> 서블라임이 무료는 아니지만, 어차피 구매하라는 창만 간간히 한 번씩 뜰 뿐이라 충분히 쓰실만 할 거에요
[00:40] <razGon_MINILA> 구입을 하면 비싼지요?
[00:40] <razGon_MINILA> 1-2만원이라면 책산다 생각하고 사려구요.
[00:40] <Work^Seony> 에디터치곤 좀 비싼 편이에요
[00:41] <razGon_MINILA> 헉. 10만원 되나보다.ㅋ
[00:41] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ $70 이에요
[00:41] <Work^Seony> 원래는 $50이었는데, 버전업 하면서 가격을 올렸어요
[00:41] <Work^Seony> 근데 구입 안하셔도 구입하라는 창만 가끔 뜨니까 불편하진 않으실 거에요
[00:44] <bluedusk> http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd.aspx
[00:44] <bluedusk> 이건 부럽네요..
[00:44] <bluedusk> 하아
[00:44] <AutoWiZ_znc> 블더님 안녕하세요~~
[00:44] <AutoWiZ_znc> 거기 신입도 뽑나요?
[00:44] <Work^Seony> 제가 사무실에서 쓰는 놋북이네요
[00:45] <bluedusk> 모르겠어요
[00:45] <Work^Seony> 여기다 젠투 깔아놨는데... ㅎㅎ
[00:45] <bluedusk> 맨날 뽑는다고 했다가 안뽑는다고 했다가
[00:45] <bluedusk> Work^Seony, 한국쪽 델에서 파는건 넘 비싸네요
[00:45] <Work^Seony> 가격차이가 많아요?
[00:45] <Work^Seony> 음... 제가 쓰는 모델은 $1549짜리네요. 이거 되게 비싼거였군요. 막 굴렸는데...
[00:50] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아~ 시원한 음료수 마시고 싶은데 냉장고는 비었네요 ㅠ
[00:52] <Work^Seony> 그럼 시원한 물! ㅎㅎ
[00:53] <Work^Seony> 마트에서 물에 타서 마시는 레몬가루 같은거 사서, 시원한 물에 넣어서 드시는건 어떠세요
[01:03] <AutoWiZ_znc> 평소에 음료수를 계속 사먹었었는데
[01:04] <AutoWiZ_znc> 다음에 마트가면 물에 타 먹는걸로 하나 사 봐야겠어요
[01:05] <bluedusk> 와
[01:05] <bluedusk> ceph 인수당하더니
[01:05] <bluedusk> 패키지 버전 안올리는구나
[01:05] <bluedusk> 진짜 그지같네
[01:06] <bluedusk> 아 소스만 버전 올라간거 공개되어있네요
[01:06] <bluedusk> 누가 따로 패키징을 안하는건가.;
[01:06] <Work^Seony> ceph는 왠만하면 버전 올라갔다고 막 올리시면 안될걸요..
[01:07] <bluedusk> 새로 구축하는거라 상관없어요
[01:07] <Work^Seony> 아 새로...
[01:07] <AutoWiZ_znc> 검증 거쳐서 안정성이 확보되면 패키징 하겠지요
[01:08] <Work^Seony> 새로 구축하는거면, 안정성이 검증된 버전을 쓰시는게 낫지않나요?
[01:08] <bluedusk> 아 r모사에서 받은 패키지랑 버전이 달러서 확인해본건데요
[01:09] <bluedusk> ceph 버전은 맞네요 그걸 통채로 묶어서 따로 이름 붙여서 버전관리를 하나 보네요
[01:09] <bluedusk> 버전이 확 차이가 나서 본거였는데
[01:09] <AutoWiZ_znc> 저는 정말 궁금합니다. 국내에 ceph 쓰고 있을 만한곳이 선뜻 떠오르지가 않거든요
[01:10] <bluedusk> 외외로 많이 들어갔다고 하더라구요
[01:10] <Work^Seony> 오... 그렇군요...
[01:10] <Work^Seony> 오픈스택이니 뭐니 하는 그런 가상화에 전혀 관심이 없는 분들도 있떠라구요..
[01:10] <Work^Seony> 그런 분들은 ceph니 뭐니 하는건 일절 관심밖 ㅎㅎ
[01:11] <AutoWiZ_znc> 블더님 가끔 우분투 오프라인 모임 나오시나요?
[01:11] <bluedusk> dksy
[01:11] <bluedusk> 아뇨
[01:11] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아니면 개인적으로 한번 찾아뵙고 싶은데 ㅋㅋ
[01:11] <bluedusk> 아뇨 전 반댑니다
[01:11] <bluedusk> 저같이 미천것이 어찌 감히..ㅠㅠ
[01:11] <AutoWiZ_znc> ㅠㅠㅠㅠ 불쌍한 중생 하나 구원한다 생각하시고 ㅠㅠ
[01:11] <razGon_MINILA> AutoWiZ_znc, 루이보스티 추천합니다. 500Ml 빨대 달린 텀블러에 시원한 물담고 티백 담그고 마실떄 마다 물희석해서 드세요
[01:12] <bluedusk> 구원은 제가 받아야 할판이라 ㅠㅠ
[01:12] <AutoWiZ_znc> 루이보스티 . 예 알겠습니다 ㅎㅎ
[01:12] <AutoWiZ_znc> 그럼 ... 서로 맞구원하는걸로다가
[01:13] <razGon_MINILA> 상당히 청량감이 있고요. 입안에 텁텁한것과 기름기와 같은 느끼한 잔맛을 싹 씻어줍니ㅣ다.
[01:17] <Work^Seony> 라즈베리파이2가 쿼드코어라 상당한 성능향상이 있나보네요..
[01:17] <Work^Seony> 하나 살까..
[01:19] <AutoWiZ_znc> 일단 지르고 보는겁니다.~~~~ ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[01:20] <razGon_MINILA> 저는 오히려 compute stick 인텔에서 나오는 거 기대중입니다.
[01:20] <Work^Seony> 아 그 아톰 씨퓨 쓴거죠?
[01:20] <Work^Seony> 그거 발표된지 꽤 오래되지 않았나요?
[01:21] <AutoWiZ_znc> 이제 진정한 umpc 시대가 열리는건가요 ㅎㅎ
[01:21] <AutoWiZ_znc> 라온 디지털에 vega 라는 벽돌 켬퓨터 사서 동영상(?) 보면서 돌아다녔던 기억이 새록새록 나는군요 ㅎㅎ
[01:22] <razGon_MINILA> 아직 국내 출시 안되었습니다 .5월 출시 예정이라는데요.
[01:22] <razGon_MINILA> 저희 병원 티비가 배선이 안되서요.
[01:22] <razGon_MINILA> 와이파이로 티빙스틱 쓰는데 지상파 안나와서 나오는 것으로 하려다 보니....
[01:22] <razGon_MINILA> 파이어 스틱 하려는데. 가격차이가 별루 안나더군요.
[01:22] <razGon_MINILA> 이왕이면 익숙한것으로.
[01:23] <AutoWiZ_znc> 익숙한거 좋습니다 ^^
[01:23] <Work^Seony> 인텔 스틱컴퓨터는 가격이 좀 될텐데, 라즈베리랑 많이 비교될걸요
[01:25] <razGon_MINILA> 리눅스판이 10만원가량 나옵니다.
[01:25] <razGon_MINILA> 라즈베리파이도 셋트 사면 그정도 나오더군요. 게다가 외국운송.
[01:25] <Work^Seony> 라즈베리의 3배네요
[01:26] <Work^Seony> 어차피 인텔 스틱도 sd 카드는 사야할테구요...
[01:26] <Work^Seony> 일단 제 입장에서 가장 큰 문제점은, 인텔 스틱은 이더넷 포트가 없다는 점...
[01:27] <Work^Seony> 알아보니까 스틱은 이미 스토리지가 들어있네요
[01:28] <razGon_MINILA> 옙
[01:28] <razGon_MINILA> 없어도 되는 상황이니깐요.
[01:28] <razGon_MINILA> 원래 가장 좋은 건 파이어 스틱티비 인데.
[01:28] <razGon_MINILA> 와서도 몇개 손봐야 되서요
[01:28] <Work^Seony> 그렇군요...
[01:29] <Work^Seony> 저는 무선을 싫어해서... 아마 사더라도 저는 라즈베리2를 살 것 같아요..
[01:30] <razGon_MINILA> 실은 오드로이드 사려했는데. 레퍼런스가 라즈베리2가 좋겟더군요.
[01:30] <razGon_MINILA> 자료가 많은게 중요해서요.
[01:30] <Work^Seony> 글쵸... 게다가 친숙한 데비안이라는점! ㅎㅎ
[01:32] <razGon_MINILA> 문제는 이런 보드가 과연 쓸데가 있는가가 문제였죠.
[01:32] <razGon_MINILA> 1. 웹서버. 우분투서버와 공유기의 서버.
[01:32] <razGon_MINILA> 2. 영상장치 전달. 아직 집에서 효용성 없음. 아이피티비 사용.
[01:33] <razGon_MINILA> 게다가 Tving이라는 것 사용해서 드라마 봅니다.
[01:33] <razGon_MINILA> 3. 장난감. 맥북과 아이패드미니가 제 관심사요.
[01:33] <Work^Seony> 티비에 달려있는 usb로 전원 연결하고 hdmi 연결 후에, 거기에 이더넷 꼽아서 쓰면 괜찮은 무비 플레이어로 변신시킬 수는 있어요 ㅎㅎ
[01:34] <Work^Seony> 전에 애플 제품 안쓰실 땐 관심이 없으셨다가, 이젠 관심사가 됐네요 ㅎㅎ
[01:34] <razGon_MINILA> 그게 있으니 쓸사람이 저박에 없어서요
[01:35] <razGon_MINILA> 그리고 안드로이드 패드가 곧옵니다.
[01:35] <razGon_MINILA> 게다가 지금 프로그래밍을 배우는 건 궁극적으로 제가 만들고 싶은 시스템이 있어서에요
[01:36] <Work^Seony> 아... 그런거군요... 어떤걸 만드시고 싶으신데요?
[01:36] <razGon_MINILA> 일단 골격을 이런식으로 만들고 베타판으로요.
[01:36] <razGon_MINILA> 지난번 말씀드렷던 환자 설문 자료를 이용한 진료툴을 만들려구요.
[01:36] <Work^Seony> 아~
[01:36] <razGon_MINILA> 근골격통증 환자에 대한.
[01:36] <Work^Seony> LAMP로 만들면 아주 쉽습니다 ㅎㅎ
[01:37] <razGon_MINILA> 그리고 나중에 페북에 올리겟지만,
[01:37] <razGon_MINILA> LAMP?그건 아파치 Mysql. php인가요?
[01:37] <Work^Seony> 네 ㅎㅎ
[01:37] <Work^Seony> Linux Apache2 MySQL PHP
[01:38] <razGon_MINILA> 지금 제 기술은 M,P에 묶여있죠.
[01:38] <Work^Seony> 물론 파이썬이 언어 자체는 배우기 쉬운데요, 웹 프레임워크 배우는건 쉽지않아요
[01:38] <razGon_MINILA> 웹을 구동시키는 것을 하려해요.
[01:38] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇군요. 결국은 라틴어배워야...
[01:38] <Work^Seony> 일단 장고 같은 경우는 url부터도 정규식으로 제어하니...
[01:40] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇군요.
[01:41] <razGon_MINILA> 결국은 PHP?
[01:41] <Work^Seony> 제가 추천해드리고 싶은 방법은, 일단은 PHP로 시작하세요.
[01:41] <Work^Seony> 그리고나서 프로그래밍이랑 CSS, Javascript에 대한 지식이 생기면, 그때 다시 파이썬으로 재작성하시면 됩니다
[01:42] <Work^Seony> 파이썬으로 웹서버랑 웹사이트 돌리시려면, 프로그래밍 말고도 다른 것에 너무 투자를 많이 하셔야하거든요...
[01:42] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇군요.
[01:42] <Work^Seony> 프로그래밍 자체를 배우신다면 파이썬은 적극 추천해드리겠지만, 특별히 만들고 싶으신 프로그램이 있는데 그게 웹기반이라면, 지금으로써는 PHP를 하시라고 권해드리고 싶어요
[01:43] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇다면 혹시 추천할만한 php 레퍼런스[한글]과 강좌 있을까요?
[01:43] <Work^Seony> 무지 많죠 ㅎㅎ
[01:43] <razGon_MINILA> 어짜피 파이선은 배워야 합니다.애들 가르킬려면요.
[01:43] <Work^Seony> PHP야 워낙 대중적이다보니 인터넷에서도 자료가 흔하거든요
[01:43] <razGon_MINILA> 초등학교 되면 배워서 알려주려구요.
[01:43] <Work^Seony> 일단 제가 몇가지를 권해드릴께요
[01:43] <razGon_MINILA> 특히 둘쨰가 스크래치에 관심 가지더군요.
[01:44] <razGon_MINILA> 앗! 감사합니다.!
[01:44] <Work^Seony> 보통 PHP 프로그래머라면, 이건 할 줄 알아야한다 라는 무언의 통과의식 같은게 하나 있는데요,
[01:44] <Work^Seony> 그게 바로 게시판 만들기에요
[01:44] <Work^Seony> 게시판을 스스로 혼자 만들 줄 모르면, 웹프로그래머가 아니다 라는 말을 누구한테 들었는데,
[01:44] <Work^Seony> 실제로 PHP 공부 시작하면 가장 먼저 하는게 게시판 만들기이고,
[01:44] <razGon_MINILA> 아..
[01:45] <Work^Seony> 제로보드 제작자도, 원래 제대하고 PHP 공부하면서 만든거라고 하더라구요...
[01:45] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇군요.
[01:45] <Work^Seony> 일단은 이걸 먼저 보세요
[01:45] <Work^Seony> http://www.itmembers.net/board/zboard.php?id=php
[01:45] <razGon_MINILA> 옙
[01:45] <Work^Seony> 아주아주 기초적인 부분부터 잘 설명되어있는 곳인데요,ㅣ
[01:45] <Work^Seony> 문제는 여기서 설명하는 문법이, 이미 없어진 문법들이 좀 있어요
[01:46] <razGon_MINILA> php도 서브라임으로 제작하죠?
[01:46] <Work^Seony> 하지만, PHP와 데이터베이스와의 연동관계를 너무너무 잘 설명해주고 있어서 개념잡는데 상당히 도움이 될 거에요
[01:46] <razGon_MINILA> 옙
[01:46] <Work^Seony> 네. 프로그래밍 에디터는 뭘 쓰던 사실 별로 상관없어요
[01:46] <Work^Seony> 급하면 메모장으로도 코딩합니다 ㅎㅎ
[01:47] <Work^Seony> 그 다음으로 추천해드리는 사이트는 여기에요 http://www.ezphp.net/lecture/
[01:47] <Work^Seony> 위의 주소랑 같이 병행해서 보세요.
[01:47] <Work^Seony> 위의 주소가 아무래도 문법이 없어진게 좀 있고, 간간히 오탈자도 있거든요
[01:48] <Work^Seony> 혼자서 게시판 작성하실만큼 하면 이미 주위사람 도움 없이 충분히 원하시는 시스템 만들 준비는 되실 거에요
[01:49] <Work^Seony> 그쯤되면, 파이썬 시작해도 빨리 배우실 겁니다
[01:51] <razGon_MINILA> 아. 감사합니다.ㅎ
[01:54] <razGon_MINILA> 조채연군이 PHP로 하라고 먼저 조언했는데, 어려울거 같아서 파이선으로 가려했는데 결국은 라틴어배워야 하는군요.ㅋ
[01:54] <razGon_MINILA> 웹언어의 라틴어.ㅋ
[01:54] <Work^Seony> 잘하진 못해도, 그래도 웹개발을 종종 하는 사람으로서 말씀드리자면, 사실 요즘의 웹개발은 PHP 같은 서버사이드 언어보단 자바스크립트를 더 잘해야되요 ㅎㅎ
[01:54] <Work^Seony> PHP도 쉬운 언어에요
[01:54] <Work^Seony> 아주아주 쉽습니다
[01:54] <Work^Seony> 자바 같은 언어 하다가 PHP 하면 살짝 불안할 정도에요 ㅎㅎ
[01:55] <razGon_MINILA> 그이유는 HTML5떄문인가요?
[01:55] <Work^Seony> 아뇨 html5가 아니라, 로딩없는 쾌적한 페이지를 만들려면 자바스크립트는 필수거든요
[01:55] <razGon_MINILA> 자바스크립트가 요즘 웹에서 대세더군요.
[01:55] <razGon_MINILA> 아....
[01:55] <razGon_MINILA> 이건 외국어보다 더 힘든..ㅋㅋ
[01:55] <Work^Seony> 제이쿼리라는 것이 등장함으로서 자바스크립트 작성하는 시간을 몇백년은 앞당겨지긴 했어요
[01:56] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇군요.ㅋ
[01:56] <Work^Seony> 웹사이트를 가서 클릭을 했는데 로딩이 없다? 그럼 자바스크립트가 작동 중이라는 얘기에요 ㅎㅎ
[01:57] <razGon_MINILA> 흠...
[01:58] <razGon_MINILA> 이름이 비슷해서요. 컴쪽언어는.
[01:58] <razGon_MINILA> C도 계량언어.
[01:58] <bluedusk> chef 깔아봤는데
[01:58] <razGon_MINILA> C#,C+,C++,오브젝트C
[01:58] <bluedusk> 제가 일하는 환경에서는 거의 이거 뭐.. 계륵같은..
[01:58] <Work^Seony> 구글 지메일 페이지 보면 로딩없이 페이지 전체를 다시 그려내는데, 제 추측으로는 AngulaJS라는 자바스크립트 라이브러리를 쓰는거 같아요...
[01:58] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇군요.
[01:59] <razGon_MINILA> 이미 라이브러리를 만들어서 모듈 조립. 이런식인가요?
[01:59] <Work^Seony> 쉽게 설명드리자면요,
[01:59] <Work^Seony> 만들어져있는 라이브러리를 그냥 로딩해서, 거기서 제공하는 함수를 쓰는 거에요
[02:00] <Work^Seony> 예를 들어서, 어떤 버튼을 클릭했을 때 로딩없이 현재 라인을 전부 삭제하는 자바스크립트를 쓴다면 보통 적어도 3-4줄은 써야겠지만,
[02:00] <Work^Seony> 제이쿼리를 쓰면 $('#id_name').remove(); 이거 한줄로 되거든요
[02:00] <razGon_MINILA> 아...
[02:01] <razGon_MINILA> 한마디로 요리할때, 토마토를 직접가공하는게 아니라 토마토소스를 만든것을 쓰는 거군요.
[02:01] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아 그거 좋은데요 토마토 페이스트
[02:01] <razGon_MINILA> 우리가 고추장을 사먹는 것을 찌게에 넣듯이.
[02:01] <Work^Seony> 제 예상이지만, 웹사이트 공부하시면서 가장 힘든건 PHP가 아닌 CSS가 될 거에요 ㅎㅎ
[02:01] <Work^Seony> 글쵸
[02:02] <Work^Seony> 냉장고를 부탁해 에서 자주 쓰는 말인데, 제품 쓴다고 하죠 ㅎㅎ
[02:02] <razGon_MINILA> CSS는 그냥 포기...ㅋㅋ 부츠트랩을 믿어요.ㅋ
[02:02] <razGon_MINILA> 아. 옙
[02:02] <Work^Seony> 원재료와 향신료를 넣어서 직접 소스를 만드는게 아니라, 만들어진 소스를 걍 갖다 쓰는거죠 ㅎㅎ
[02:02] <Work^Seony> 근데 부트스트랩 쓸려고 해도 기본적인 css는 알아야되요...
[02:02] <Work^Seony> 클래스가 뭔지 ID가 뭔지...
[02:05] <Work^Seony> 일단은 제가 드린 사이트를 통해서 PHP로 게시판 만드는 것부터 공부 시작해보세요
[02:05] <Work^Seony> 하시다보면 감 옵니다
[02:05] <Work^Seony> 뭘 해야할지도 알게되고, 뭘 써야할지도 알게되실 거에요
[02:05] <razGon_MINILA> 엡
[02:25] <AutoWiZ_znc> 서니님 퇴근 시간 다 되 가시겠네요 ㅎㅎ
[02:35] <imsu> 안녕하세요 ^^
[02:37] <razGon_MINILA> imsu, 안녕하세요?
[02:46] <Work^Seony> imsu, hi
[02:46] <Work^Seony> 오랫만이네
[02:51] <Work^Seony> AutoWiZ_znc, 안그래도 셔틀버스 기다리고 있어요 ㅎㅎ
[02:56] <imsu> razGon_MINILA: 안녕하세요 ^^
[02:56] <imsu> Work^Seony: 잘 지내시죵?ㅎㅎㅎ
[02:57] <Work^Seony> 무쟈게 잘 지내
[02:58] <imsu> ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[02:58] <Work^Seony> 인생의 황금기를 보내고 있지 ㅋ
[02:58] <imsu> 오~~ 부럽 ㅋㅋㅋ
[02:58] <imsu> 그 때 하와이 갈 수 있을 때 갈걸 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[02:58] <Work^Seony> ㅋㅋㅋ
[02:58] <Work^Seony> 누가 나보고, 살면서 언제가 제일 행복했냐고 묻는다면 신혼도 아닌 지금이 제일 행복하다고 말하고 싶다
[02:59] <imsu> 헉! ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[02:59] <imsu> 모니터 6대 써서 그러신건가요?
[02:59] <imsu> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[02:59] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎ 그건 어차피 내꺼가 아니잖아
[03:00] <imsu> 저 혼자 회사에서 우분투 설치했는데 ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:00] <Work^Seony> 일단, 직장생활 편하고, 따로 맘걱정할 일도 없고, 하고싶은 겜 하고, 사고싶은거 다 샀고...
[03:00] <imsu> 캐 부럽당 ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:00] <imsu> 저도 겜기 하나만 중고로 넘겨 주세요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[03:00] <imsu> 집에서 겜한다고 구박 안해요?
[03:00] <Work^Seony> 플3랑 엑박360은 이미 보상판매로 팔앗어
[03:01] <Work^Seony> 겜을 겜중독마냥 그렇게 안하니까 구박은 안하지 ㅋㅋ
[03:01] <imsu> 아~ ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:01] <Work^Seony> 한 3일이나 4일에 한 번 정도만 해
[03:01] <imsu> 별루 안하시네~ ㅋㅋ
[03:01] <imsu> 하루에 3시간 이상은 해줘야 하는데 ㅋㅋ
[03:01] <Work^Seony> 뭐 그렇게 해도 되긴하는데, 내가 웹사이트 제작 알바를 뛰어서 그렇게 시간내는건 좀 무리야
[03:02] <imsu> 아~ 프리랜서~~~ ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:02] <imsu> 짭짤한가요?ㅎㅎ
[03:02] <Work^Seony> 어 무지 짭짤해 ㅋㅋ
[03:02] <imsu> 아 저도 좀 배워 놓을까요?ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[03:02] <Work^Seony> 웹사이트 하나 만드는데 400만원 넘게 받았으니까
[03:02] <imsu> 헉
[03:02] <imsu> 뜨허 ;;
[03:03] <Work^Seony> 며칠 전에는, 페이지 하나 만들어주고 80만원 벌었어
[03:03] <imsu> 와~~~
[03:03] <imsu> 저도 비법좀;; ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:03] <Work^Seony> ㅋㅋ 돈 많은 클라이언트를 만난거지
[03:03] <imsu> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[03:04] <Work^Seony> 그분 통해서 다른 분들도 소개받아야되는데 ㅎㅎ
[03:04] <imsu> 한국에는 언제 오시나요?ㅎㅎ
[03:04] <Work^Seony> 내년 봄에 한 번 갈거 같아
[03:04] <imsu> 그 때 한번 뵈요 ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:04] <Work^Seony> 그리고나서는 아마 10년 안으로는 다시 안갈 거 같아
[03:04] <imsu> 헉
[03:04] <imsu> ㅜ.ㅜ;
[03:04] <Work^Seony> 돈 아까워
[03:04] <imsu> 얼마나 머무르시는데요?
[03:04] <Work^Seony> 그 돈으로 차라리 딴데 가는게 나아
[03:04] <Work^Seony> 지금 예상으로는 아마 3주?
[03:04] <imsu> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[03:05] <imsu> 뭔가 의미심장하다 ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:05] <Work^Seony> 라스베가스 가는 것도 50만원이면 호텔비에 뱅기값까지 다 되는데,
[03:05] <Work^Seony> 한국 가는건 뱅기값만 100만원이야
[03:05] <imsu> 휴가를 3주나 쓸 수 있어요?
[03:05] <Work^Seony> 3주 넘게 쓸 수 있어.
[03:05] <Work^Seony> 맘 먹으면 2달까지도 쓸 수 있지...
[03:05] <imsu> 끄앙 ;;
[03:05] <imsu> 좋다~ ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:05] <Work^Seony> 근데 2달은 좀 눈치 보이고...
[03:05] <Work^Seony> 3주가 제일 적당해
[03:05] <imsu> 여유로운 직장생활~~ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:06] <Work^Seony> 휴가가 길어서 여유로운건 아니고,
[03:06] <Work^Seony> 퇴근을 내 맘대로 해서 여유롭지
[03:06] <imsu> 탄력 근무제?
[03:06] <Work^Seony> 그런 셈이지
[03:06] <imsu> ㅋㅋㅋ
[03:07] <Work^Seony> 요즘 건물 에어컨 공사해서 에어컨이 안나오거든
[03:07] <imsu> 아~ ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[03:07] <Work^Seony> 다른 직원들은 집에서 일한다고 아예 출근도 안했어
[03:07] <Work^Seony> 그나마 나는 출근 잘하는 거야 ㅋㅋ
[03:07] <imsu> 완전 좋당!
[03:07] <imsu> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[03:08] <Work^Seony> 한편으로는, 이제는 한국 돌아가면 적응 못할 거 같아
[03:08] <Work^Seony> 사고방식도 많이 바뀌었고, 여러가지 기준이나 목표도 달라지다보니...
[03:16] <imsu> ㅎㅎㅎ 하와이는 다른 지역보다도 더 여유로운 편이죠?
[03:16] <Work^Seony> 많이 여유롭지
[03:24] <imsu> 흐앙 한것도 없는데 벌써 점심시간이네 ㅠ.ㅠ;;;
[03:24] <imsu> 근데 다시 요요현상은 안오세요?ㅎㅎ
[03:27] <ircCloud^Seony> 운동 꾸준히 해주고있어 ㅎㅎ
[03:27] <ircCloud^Seony> 3일에 한 번 40분씩
[03:28] <ircCloud^Seony> 오늘 운동하는 날이야
[03:28] <ircCloud^Seony> 덤벨 무게를 늘릴까 고민돼
[04:01] <imsu> ircCloud^Seony: 아하~ ㅋㅋ 저는 요새 운동을 통 못해서 ㅜ.ㅜ;;;;;;;
[04:03] <ircCloud^Seony> 난 그냥 체중 유지하는 수준으로만 하는거야
[04:04] <ircCloud^Seony> 내가 솔직히 진짜 많이 먹거든
[04:05] <bluedusk> 저도 벌크업해야 하는데
[04:05] <bluedusk> 너무 쩝 몸이..ㅠㅠ
[04:29] <PotatoGim> 벌크업...ㄷㄷ
[06:39] <imsu> TaeheeJang_iPhon: 오랜만이네요 ^^
[08:01] <Dracokr> 아 어이없음 ㅎㅎ
[08:02] <Dracokr> 우리 회사 웹사이트 들어왔다가, 자기가 쓰던 컴퓨터가 다운되었다고
[08:02] <Dracokr> 우리 회사 웹사이트 고치라는 이메일이 옴 -_-
[08:02] <Seony> 헐 ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[08:03] <Seony> 컴퓨터를 잘 모르는 사람으로 보면 뭐 그래도 예상되는 행동이네요...
[08:04] <Dracokr> 잘 모르는 사람도 보통 그러면...컴퓨터가 뭔가 잘못된걸로 생각하지 않나요 ㅋ
[08:05] <Seony> 와우를 지금 시작해도 재밌을까요 ㅎㅎ
[08:05] <Seony> 한 번도 해본 적이 없어서 궁금하네요..
[08:05] <Dracokr> 와우 안해봐서 ㅎㅎ
[08:05] <Seony> 게시판이 활발한거 보면 아직도 많이 하나보군요
[08:06] <Dracokr> 그러고보니 온라인 게임을 별로 안했군요. 울온하고 마비노기하고, D&D온라인하고...
[08:07] <Dracokr> ...취향 나온다...
[08:07] <Seony> ㅎㅎㅎ
[08:07] <Seony> 저는 리니지2 이후로 반복 노가다 한국형 mmo는 안하기로 했죠 ㅎㅎ
[08:09] <Seony> 와우 초대권이 몇장 있는데 필요하시면 드릴까요?
[08:10] <AutoWiZ_znc> 저는 리니지 1은 한 1시간 2는 아예 안해봐서
[08:10] <AutoWiZ_znc> 와우는 폐인 많기로 소문난 게임 ㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[08:11] <Seony> 폐인 뿐만 아니라 이런저런 사건 사고도 참 많죠
[08:11] <Seony> 현상수배범이 와우 하다 잡히거나 ㅎㅎ
[08:12] <AutoWiZ_znc> 중독성이 심하긴 심한가 봐요
[08:12] <Seony> 제가 알기론, 중독성 있는 게임이 아니라, 아주 재밌대요
[08:13] <Seony> 그러니까, 어떤 반복성이 있는 노가다를 시키는 일이 거의 없고,
[08:13] <Seony> 퀘스트를 하다보면 거기서 딸려나오는 스토리를 즐기게 되고,
[08:13] <AutoWiZ_znc> 서니님이 해보고 알려주세용~~ 히히히히
[08:13] <Seony> 그것만 즐겨도 충분히 렙업이 되고 아이템도 얻게된다고 하더라구요
[08:13] <Seony> ㅎㅎㅎ 같이 해야 재밌죠 ㅋ
[08:13] <Seony> 저는 와우 초대장을 2장이나 썼는데, 이게 기록에 남네요 ㅋ
[08:13] <AutoWiZ_znc> 와우 말고 워크래프트는 게임방갔을때 가끔해봤는데 재미 있긴 했어요
[08:14] <Seony> 근데 초대장을 한 계정에 이어서 하는건 안되고,
[08:14] <Seony> 초대장 하나당 무조건 계정 하나 밖에 안되더라구요
[08:14] <AutoWiZ_znc> 초대권 모아서 쭈욱 하는사람 있을까봐 그렇게 했겠지요
[08:15] <Seony> 네 그런거 같아요
[08:15] <Seony> 예전에 혼자 해봤는데, 혼자 하니까 너무 재미가 없어서 초대장에서 주어진 7일을 다 못채우고 그만 뒀거든요...
[08:16] <AutoWiZ_znc> 저도 최근에 eloa 라고 시작했는데
[08:16] <AutoWiZ_znc> 혼자했으면 하다가 포기했을거 같아요 ㅠㅠ
[08:16] <AutoWiZ_znc> 우연히 누가 파티로 도와주시다가 클랜들어갔는데
[08:17] <Seony> 저번에 그 피씨방에서 기다리시다가 시작하신 게임이죠? ㅎㅎ
[08:17] <AutoWiZ_znc> 그래도 사실 힘드네요 아직 저랩이라
[08:17] <AutoWiZ_znc> 네 .. ㅋㅋ 괜히 시작했나싶기도 하고
[08:17] <Seony> 원래 렙업이라는게 기존의 한국산 mmo에서는 힘들게 해야하는 일인건데, 와우가 그걸 깼잖아요...
[08:17] <Seony> 만렙 달성하는건 쉽고, 진짜 컨텐츠는 만렙부터....
[08:18] <AutoWiZ_znc> 엄밀히 말하면 저도 40 랩 만랩인데 이게 진정한 만랩 하고는 능력치가 거의 1/3 수준이라
[08:19] <Seony> 음... 한시간 후에 운동 시작해야하니, 한시간 안으로 이걸 해야할지 말아야할지 결정해야겠어요
[08:19] <Seony> 요즘 콘솔게임 할게 너무 없어서 심심해요
[08:19] <AutoWiZ_znc> 재작년에는 hounds 라고 FPS 형 mmorpg 했는데 나름 몇달 재미있게 했는데 , 어느순간 망해버렸어요 ㅠㅠ
[08:19] <AutoWiZ_znc> 저는 레이싱게임하면 잘 안질리더라구요
[08:20] <AutoWiZ_znc> 같은 코스긴 해도 자기자신과의 싸움을 하게 되니까 ㅋㅋ ㅠㅠ
[08:20] <Seony> 음.... 저는 레이싱게임은 패드 컨트롤이 좀 어려워서 못하겠더라구요
[08:21] <AutoWiZ_znc> 손가락으로 키보드를 이용해서 PWM 을 구현하게 되더라구요
[08:21] <AutoWiZ_znc> 약한 코너는 0.5초 간격으로
[08:21] <AutoWiZ_znc> 심한코너는 0.2초 간격으로 ㅋㅋ
[08:22] <AutoWiZ_znc> 눌렀다 땠다 ㅠㅠㅠㅠ 휠 살 돈이 없어서
[08:22] <Seony> 휠은 비싸죠
[08:22] <AutoWiZ_znc> 사실 양주 한병만 안먹으면 휠 2개는 사고도 남을텐데 ㅠㅠ
[08:23] <Seony> ㅋㅋㅋ
[08:23] <AutoWiZ_znc> 술이 왠수 입니다.
[08:23] <Seony> 술이 얼마나 비싸길래요...
[08:23] <Seony> 괜찮은 휠 사려면 50만원은 줘야하는데요 ㅎㅎ
[08:23] <AutoWiZ_znc> 보통은 3000원 짜리 소주먹는데
[08:23] <AutoWiZ_znc> 가끔 달릴때는 20~30 정도 .
[08:23] <AutoWiZ_znc> 헉 휠 이 50만원이나 해요?
[08:23] <AutoWiZ_znc> 20만원 정도에서 타협을 ㅋ
[08:24] <Seony> 아... 그렇군요
[08:24] <Seony> 휠 싼것도 있낀 한데요,
[08:24] <Seony> 로지텍에서 휠 사업을 접은 이후로...
[08:24] <Seony> 중간이 없어요 이젠...
[08:25] <AutoWiZ_znc> 로지텍이 접어버렸나요? 아아
[08:26] <Seony> 네 접었어요 ㅎㅎ
[08:26] <AutoWiZ_znc> 휠로 검색하니 전신에 휠 마우스만 ㅠㅠㅠㅠ
[08:29] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아 결정적으로 친구내 휠도 써보고 , 플스방가서 휠도 써봤는데 가장 큰 문제가
[08:29] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아무리해도 실제 느낌이랑 괴리가 너무 심해요
[08:29] <Seony> 아무래도 그럴 수밖에 없죠. 그래서 비싼 휠을 사게되는 것이구요...
[08:29] <Seony> 진짜 문제는, 플3에서 쓰던 휠이 플4랑은 호환이 안되요
[08:29] <AutoWiZ_znc> 가속이라던가 감속시에 미묘한 느낌이 있는데 관성이라던가 그런게 없으니까
[08:30] <AutoWiZ_znc> 그러고보니 저는 초등학교때 친척분이 사주신 재믹스V 말고는
[08:30] <AutoWiZ_znc> 게임기를 사본적이 없어요
[08:30] <Seony> 오오 재믹스 V 저도 있었어요
[08:30] <AutoWiZ_znc> 싸게싸게 PC 게임만 이 취미였고 , 게임하다 지치면 해킹을 -_-;;;;
[08:31] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아니 워킹을 ㅡ_ㅡ;;;;;
[08:32] <Seony> 와우에서는, 렙 90 한번에 찍어주는 부스트도 파네요 ㅋ
[08:33] <AutoWiZ_znc> 그런면에서 Life For Speed 라는 게임이 인상적이었어요 스티어링이 마우스 였거든요. 나름 민감한 컨트롤도 가능했었죠 , 저렴한 마우스로
[08:33] <AutoWiZ_znc> ㅋㅋㅋ 뭐 만랩은 그냥 시작에 불과하니까요
[08:33] <Seony> 글쵸
[08:33] <Seony> 음... 일단 클라이언트부터 받아놔야겠어요
[08:35] <Seony> 헐 클라이언트 30기가..
[08:36] <AutoWiZ_znc> 쿠에엑
[08:36] <AutoWiZ_znc> 비압축 인가요? 뭐그런
[08:37] <Seony> 뭐, 이해는 되요 ㅎㅎ 요즘은 플스 같은 콘솔게임도 50기가씩 하거든요
[08:42] <AutoWiZ_znc> 그래픽이 좋아져서 그런지도 모르겠네요 사실
[08:42] <AutoWiZ_znc> 시네마틱만 해도 수십기가는 될거 같아요
[08:43] <Seony> 시네마는 옛날처럼 동영상 안넣어요
[08:43] <Seony> 게임 내에서 실시간 렌더링합니다
[09:05] <imsu> Seony: 전에 무슨 우주 게임 하신다고 했던거 같던데 ㅎㅎ 접으셨나요?ㅎㅎ
[09:06] <Seony> 이브온라인
[09:06] <Seony> 계속 하고는 있는데, 지금 스킬이 딸려서 진행이 안돼 ㅎㅎ
[09:21] <Dracokr> 이브온라인도 한 일주일 해봤는데...
[09:21] <Dracokr> 뭔가 우주스케일로 울티마 온라인을 하는 느낌이던데요 ㅎㅎ
[09:21] <Seony> 네 이브의 자유도는 극강이거든요 ㅎㅎ
[09:21] <Dracokr> 울티마 온라인때 광산에서 참 많이 죽쳤지...라는 느낌을 거기서도 느낌 ㅋㅋ
[09:22] <Seony> 광산 ㅎㅎ
[09:22] <Dracokr> 실수로 돌아다니다 망했는데
[09:23] <Dracokr> 그거 채팅방에서 떠들었더니 사람들이 막 돈 줘서.. -_- 이게 뭔가 하는 느낌도 받구요
[09:23] <Dracokr> 역시 우주에서도 빨간건 위험하단 뜻이었어...ㅎㅎㅎ
[09:23] <Seony> ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[09:23] <Seony> 장사하면 여러가지 일이 많이 생긴다더라구요
[09:24] <Seony> 이브 내에서도 장사로 돈 버는 사람이 워낙 많으니..
[09:24] <Seony> 시세 조작에 물량 조절 협박까지 ㅎㅎ
[10:17] <razgon_MBP> 서늘한 저녁입니다.
[10:54] <HolyKnight> ㅎㅇ
[11:33] <imsu> 즐거운 하루들 보내세용 ^^
[13:27] <DarkCircle> IMS 코리아는 ... 정말 헐이군요 ㅋㅋㅋ
[13:52] <razgon_MBP> 약사들의 파워가 꽤 셉니다.
[13:52] <razgon_MBP> ㅋㅋㅋ
[13:53] <razgon_MBP> 오늘 즐거웠던 일은 한화경기 하나 밖에 없군요.
[13:54] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아... DB 데이터 날아가는 사고로 밤샘 작업 하게 생겼습니다 ㅠㅠ
[14:04] <razgon_MBP> ㅎㄸㄷ
[14:05] <DarkCircle> 애도 ㅠ
[14:44] <DarkCircle> 근데 어쩌다가 DB가 백업이 안되고 홀랑 날라가게 됐나요 ㄱ- ㄱ- ㄱ-
[14:49] <AutoWiZ_znc> 백업은있는데 800 기가 가 한방으로 묶여 있어서 오라클 11g 에서는 한꺼번에 복구 밖에 안되는거 같습니다.
[14:50] <AutoWiZ_znc> 현실적으로 난감.
[14:50] <AutoWiZ_znc> 2기가 테이블 하나만 복구 하면 되는데 미리 export 좀 받아놓아야 하나 싶습니다.
[16:34] <DarkCircle> 말이 2기가 테이블이지 테이블이 2기가면 ㄱ- ... 덩치가 좀 있네요 ㄱ- ㄱ- ㄱ-
[17:33] <AutoWiZ_znc> 네 적지만은 않지요
[18:20] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[19:05] <AutoWiZ_znc> 안녕하세요
[20:05] <Work^Seony> 일찍 일어나셨네요
[20:12] <AutoWiZ_znc> 못잤어요 ㅋ 에헤라~~디야 | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.069394 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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"DarkCircle",
"Dracokr",
"HolyKnight",
"PotatoGim",
"Seony",
"Work^Seony",
"bluedusk",
"imsu",
"ircCloud^Seony",
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-release | [05:35] <kickinz1> infinity, I updated the bug page with the new debdiff and new build logs. Quick tests work also on arm64, thanks!
[05:36] <kickinz1> infinity bug: 1430760
[10:54] <infinity> kickinz1: Looks good.
[10:55] <rbasak> infinity: happy for me to sponsor? Could you approve the FFe in the bug now please?
[10:57] <infinity> rbasak: Go for it.
[10:57] <infinity> rbasak: Happy to see it got smoketested on arm64 too, and my patch actually works. :P
[10:58] <infinity> rbasak: If 1.6 doesn't already contain such a patch (I didn't look), I hope someone will take care to forward it on my behalf, since my love for docker is in the negative? :P
[10:58] <rbasak> kickinz1: could you please send infinity's patch upstream?
[11:07] <infinity> kickinz1: Actually, scratch that, I'll submit a github PR for it.
[12:04] <kickinz1> infinity, rbasak read, I'll let infinity do its PR.
[12:08] <infinity> kickinz1: powerpc might need a similar fix, testing that too.
[12:09] <kickinz1> infinity, thanks, I don't have access to any powerpc host for now. I'll check again if I can access porterboxes.
[12:29] <infinity> kickinz1: Huh. And while looking at this, I noticed armhf is actually broken too. I wonder how it works. :P
[12:29] <kickinz1> infinity: I have it working on cloud.online.net
[12:30] <kickinz1> infinity: Do you want access to it ?
[12:31] <infinity> kickinz1: What kernel version is it running on?
[12:31] <kickinz1> some custom 3.19-aufs, let me check precisely.
[12:32] <kickinz1> Linux scw-158f0c 3.19.1-181 #1 SMP Thu Mar 12 15:57:27 UTC 2015 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[12:33] <kickinz1> infinity, I did my work on this to get better perf than on beagleBoard.
[12:33] <infinity> Hrm. Well, setns will be failing on that setup.
[12:34] <infinity> The upstream code is off-by-one.
[12:34] <kickinz1> infinity, kick@212.47.232.30; I imported you ssh key.
[12:34] <kickinz1> infinity, I use byobu.
[12:37] <kickinz1> infinity, ^that was if you wanted to check.
[13:43] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Could you update the ubuntu-mate-meta package for me please?
[13:43] <flexiondotorg> infinity, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1441728
[13:49] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Running the update thingee.
[13:50] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks :)
[13:55] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Are you in the position to take a peek at something else for me?
[13:55] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Maybe, depends on the thing.
[13:56] <flexiondotorg> infinity, In the PPA you'll see indicator-application-gtk2 which is patched for MATE.
[13:56] <flexiondotorg> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/+archive/ubuntu/vivid-mate
[13:57] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Here is the code with my patch - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/indicators-gtk2/indicator-application-gtk2
[13:57] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Here is the Approved merge proposal - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/indicators-gtk2/indicator-application-gtk2/+merge/244116
[13:58] <flexiondotorg> infinity, However. I can get the package to build in a PPA. But in what whatever your devs use to build packages it failed.
[13:58] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I can't reproduce that build fail.
[13:58] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Help? ;)
[14:03] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Before we worry about the testsuite failure, has this been passed by the lubuntu people? This ships on their desktop as well.
[14:04] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Well, I tested lubuntu. No issues. I couldn't raise anyone on the lubuntu team to test and confirm.
[14:22] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Does this look sane: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782997/
[14:22] * flexiondotorg looking...
[14:25] * infinity isn't sure why update.log isn't getting cleaned...
[14:25] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Those look right to me. Other than perhaps I should add [!powerpc] to grub-pc in the live seed.
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> infinity, The other changes are what cjwatson has helped me with a couple of weeks back.
[14:26] <infinity> flexiondotorg: grub-pc doesn't exist on powerpc, that would be a no-op.
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> infinity, OK.
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Then looks like what I expected. All recent changes have been to fix bugs.
[14:29] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Okay, uploaded.
[14:29] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Many thanks.
[14:30] <infinity> flexiondotorg: As for the indicator thing, I can't reproduce the test suie failure. I'm mildly concerned about what happens if both indicator-application packages are installed at the same time, but if you claim it doesn't break, then alright...
[14:30] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks for checking the build.
[15:14] <slangasek> ^^ would appreciate if someone could review this cloud-init package (I uploaded)
[15:17] <infinity> slangasek: Can't, I'm in a meeting.
[15:17] <infinity> :P
[15:17] <slangasek> infinity: pff blow off the meeting this is more important
[15:18] <infinity> slangasek: What did you do to the changelog?
[15:18] <slangasek> infinity: oh shoot, what did I do?
[15:18] <infinity> slangasek: And the changes it referenced...
[15:18] <slangasek> I may have not re-checked the changelog
[15:19] * infinity hands slangasek an "always debdiff before upload" lapel pin.
[15:19] <slangasek> infinity: the bzr branch was up-to-date and debdiff is for old people
[15:20] <infinity> slangasek: You still trust the bzr branches? That's so cute.
[15:20] <slangasek> when it's up to date, yes :P
[15:20] <infinity> Clearly it wasn't actually. :P
[15:20] <infinity> You were lied to!
[15:23] <slangasek> infinity: right, so one person committed changes to the bzr branch and the other didn't, /lovely/ | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.085009 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-motu | [07:31] <dholbach> good morning | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.086105 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#lubuntu | [00:34] <honestemu> I recently installed lubuntu and I am getting this weird graphical bug. It happened while I was installing it as well. I'm seeing a bunch of black squares. Like things haven't rendered completely. Luckily, I knew where all of the buttons were, so I was able to complete the install. But that didn't fix it. Any idea?
[09:55] <dan> i have lubnutu 14.04 installed and preferences > language support menu is missing
[09:55] <dan> how do i add it ?
[11:06] <dan> i have lubnutu 14.04 installed and preferences > language support menu is missing
[11:10] <zy3pD> dan, is the package language-selector-gnome installed?
[11:10] <zy3pD> btw running gnome-language-selector does the same
[11:11] <dan> no its not , installing
[11:12] <dan> okay now menu is there
[11:12] <dan> thanks zy3pD
[11:12] <zy3pD> np daker
[11:12] <zy3pD> *np dan
[11:21] <dan> guys i have "Sinhala" in my Installed Languages , yet there is no "Sinhala" input methods on ibus ? does anyone familiar wiith this ?
[11:22] <zy3pD> dan, do you need multiple keyboard layouts?
[13:36] <honestemu> I recently installed lubuntu and I am getting this weird graphical bug. It happened while I was installing it as well. I'm seeing a bunch of black squares. Like things haven't rendered completely. Luckily, I knew where all of the buttons were, so I was able to complete the install. But that didn't fix it. Any idea?
[14:44] <Kenb> Anyone have a working driver solution in US for Roper Class 1 USB bluetooth adapter?
Or a reccomendation for USB Bluetooth adapter at a low cost.
[20:46] <aladiah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785698/
[20:49] <wxl> aladiah: um?
[20:49] <aladiah> Some one help me upgrade to the ultimate wireless driver to Lubuntu 14.10 64 bits ? this one here work for me https://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php , i already tested with http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785698/
[20:50] <aladiah> Should this be the right part of the manual INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785720/
[20:52] <wxl> why is this the ultimate driver?
[20:53] <aladiah> i dont see none with yearlier release
[20:53] <wxl> !broadcom
[20:54] <aladiah> wxl thats it is unrealistic for me . to much hi tech
[20:54] <aladiah> too much information
[20:55] <wxl> you're talking about compiling a driver
[20:55] <wxl> it *IS* hi tech
[20:55] <aladiah> i need to test if with that driver works the bluetooth
[20:55] <wxl> well anyways, what's your question?
[20:55] <aladiah> my broadcom is two in one ... blutooth and wifi. wifi works, bluetooth not
[20:57] <aladiah> iam sure that it is the right driver for my broadcom
[20:57] <wxl> just follow this section https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#A12.04_.28Precise_Pangolin.29
[20:57] <aladiah> lets try
[20:57] <wxl> four lines and you're done
[20:57] <wxl> no compiling or anything else necessary
[20:58] <aladiah> wxl : Do you mean this 4 lines http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785753/ ?
[20:59] <wxl> lines 3-4,10-11 of that paste
[20:59] <aladiah> thanks lets try
[21:00] <wxl> as long as you have 12.04 or greater, you will get the same version
[21:00] <wxl> i.e. 6.30.223.248
[21:00] <wxl> you can see all the different versions with rmadison bcmwl-kernel-source
[21:01] <wxl> if that doesn't work, you can either compile the driver yourself from broadcom or you can use ndiswrapper https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[21:01] <wxl> 1either way is certainly "technical" so i wouldn't recommend it
[21:04] <aladiah> wxl i should type all that commands up to point 6.x ?
[21:04] <wxl> aladiah: um, no, you type lines 3-4,10-11 of the last paste you sent
[21:18] <aladiah> wxl : my blutooth still dont work
[21:56] <aladiah> wxl : what it is it you another idea ?
[21:57] <wxl> aladiah: well i've never use broadcom for bluetooth. you might want to seek support with them directly. ultimately this is a broadcom issue not a lubuntu one.
[21:58] <wxl> aladiah: ndiswrapper uses the windows drivers to make it work
[21:58] <wxl> aladiah: none of the alternatives will be easy, per se. good luck!
[21:59] <aladiah> thats why i ask your help to teach me install this new driver from broadcom website
[21:59] <wxl> aladiah: and what i'm telling you is that we don't claim to support it per se. you should ask broadcom for further help.
[22:00] <wxl> aladiah: especially given what you just did essentially replicates the process of compiling that driver. sounds to me like it doesn't work. again, that's a broadcom issue.
[22:05] <aladiah> it works perfectly on windows. on windows i just dowloaded the driver, then execute it , done
[22:05] <wxl> aladiah: then you can complain at broadcom for providing less than optimal drivers for linux
[22:05] <aladiah> yep
[22:06] <aladiah> wxl but i didn t tryed their driver yet . i dont know how to install it
[22:06] <aladiah> for linux
[22:06] <wxl> aladiah: you already did is what i'm telling you
[22:07] <wxl> read the PRECOMPILED DRIVER section of the readme for more information there
[22:07] <aladiah> ok
[22:07] <wxl> you should also note at the very bottom of the readme they have the same exact instructions
[22:09] <aladiah> yes https://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README_6.30.223.248.txt
[22:10] <aladiah> they say ; Some distros (Ubuntu and Fedora at the least) already have a version of this driver in their repositories precompiled,
[22:10] <aladiah> how could i know iam using the same distro now or not ?
[22:10] <wxl> aladiah: and they do, and that's what you installed
[22:14] <aladiah> wxl : Dont you think i can put # in some of lines in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[22:14] <wxl> aladiah: yep, that's one way to comment things out
[22:14] <aladiah> remember me how to edit
[22:14] <aladiah> gedit doesnit ?
[22:15] <wxl> that's one way to do it
[22:15] <aladiah> lets see
[22:18] <aladiah> wxl : wich of this ones in blacklist could need a # before each line ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786543/
[22:23] <wxl> aladiah: why do you think you need any?
[22:23] <aladiah> i think maybe one of those is bluetooth and it is on black list
[22:24] <wxl> why would that be?
[22:25] <aladiah> my old machine, only works with wireless when i put a # before bcm4311 line
[22:25] <aladiah> lololol
[22:25] <aladiah> on that file ...
[22:25] <aladiah> blacklist.conf
[22:27] <wxl> so at some point you got this to work on some other machine?
[22:28] <aladiah> bluetooth ? my old machine dont have bluetooth , only wifi
[22:29] <aladiah> but to make it work, i always need to put # before bcm 4311 line
[22:29] <aladiah> wxl : They say : Building this driver requires that your machine have the proper tools, packages, header files and libraries to build a standard kernel module.
[22:30] <aladiah> wxl: how can i be sure i have the proper pakacges to start build it
[22:30] <aladiah> ?
[22:33] <aladiah> wxl: they say: tar xzf <path>/hybrid-v35-nodebug-pcoem-portsrc.tar.gz , i should put something where say PATH ?
[22:34] <wxl> aladiah: then it's probably not related
[22:34] <wxl> aladiah: as for what you're asking about, i wouldn't recommend it. for one, it's already done for you and it didn't work. secondly, it's extremely complicated
[22:34] <aladiah> ok
[22:35] <aladiah> wxl do you have knowledge to do it ?
[22:36] <aladiah> wxl : if was your laptop , you were able to do it for yourself ?
[22:36] <wxl> aladiah: yes
[22:36] <wxl> aladiah: if i reached the point you have reached, i'd probably seek support from broadcom.
[22:36] <aladiah> wxl : do you want acess my machine via chrome remote acess and do it ?
[22:36] <wxl> aladiah: absolutely not.
[22:36] <aladiah> ok
[22:39] <aladiah> wxl : its normal when we open up the blueman , a box with a message saying Bluetooth switched off! The bluetooth must be swithec off to let the device manager work! OUT or Activate bluetooth ?
[22:39] <aladiah> when you open your blueman do you have this message?
[22:40] <wxl> aladiah: no.
[22:40] <wxl> aladiah: have you tried a reboot?
[22:41] <aladiah> if i click, activate bluetooth, the box closes and nothing happen, even if i try to reopen blueman. If i reboot, and try again, and choose OUt, then reopen blueman, and choose activate , the blueman opens up but no buttons works , except help button
[22:42] <wxl> aladiah: have you tried to contact broadcom?
[22:42] <aladiah> no yet
[22:42] <aladiah> but i will
[22:42] <wxl> you should
[22:42] <aladiah> what i should say them?
[22:42] <wxl> that you have the latest driver installed and bluetooth doesn't work and explain it further
[22:42] <aladiah> thats it
[22:43] <wxl> well i would certainly expound and be more detailed
[22:50] <aladiah> wxl : what you thinmk about this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786727/ ?
[22:51] <wxl> aladiah: add that you installed the precompiled binary from the ubuntu repos
[22:51] <wxl> wait a minute
[22:52] <wxl> bah chatzilla
[22:53] <aladiah> like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786733/ i will send to https://www.broadcom.com/contact/feedback.php
[22:54] <wxl> hold on aladiah
[22:54] <aladiah> ok
[22:57] <wxl> aladiah: you get anything from `lspci | grep -i bluetooth`?
[22:58] <aladiah> let me try
[22:58] <aladiah> nothing
[22:59] <aladiah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786784/
[22:59] <wxl> what about `lsusb | grep -i bluetooth`?
[22:59] <aladiah> but bluetooth is not usb, it is embedded
[23:00] <wxl> i am aware of that
[23:01] <aladiah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786800/
[23:01] <aladiah> nothing
[23:01] <wxl> k well weird, but whatever
[23:01] <aladiah> i have dual boot, i tested on windows, work fine
[23:02] <aladiah> showld be a blueman problem ?
[23:02] <aladiah> isnt an alternativa app to test it ?
[23:02] <wxl> no, but i'm thinking the kernel doesn't see the hardware
[23:02] <wxl> we'vbe been looking at bcm4365 but that's the wifi chip
[23:02] <aladiah> why this wxl ?
[23:02] <wxl> the bt is a separate chip
[23:03] <wxl> lspci should show a separate entry for it
[23:03] <wxl> 1you might want to provide the whole content of lspci
[23:03] <aladiah> how ?
[23:03] <wxl> `lspci`
[23:04] <aladiah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786820/
[23:04] <aladiah> wxl: lspci result
[23:05] <wxl> yeah i see nothing there at all
[23:05] <wxl> maybe the card is not seated all the way or a cable is disconnected
[23:05] <aladiah> wxl, it works on windows
[23:06] <aladiah> i tested this afternoon
[23:06] <wxl> then i am baffled
[23:06] <aladiah> connected with my nokia E63
[23:06] <wxl> even if it cannot understand how to work with a piece of hardware, the kernel should be able to recognize it
[23:07] <aladiah> Maybe it start work with the 15 version
[23:07] <wxl> 111what's the output of `dmesg | grep -i bluetooth`?
[23:07] <aladiah> some months ago ICEDTEA dont work for me . . . no one could helped me to , then an update came, and voilaaa it work
[23:07] <wxl> also `rfkill list all`
[23:09] <aladiah> wxl: results for dmesg | grep -i bluetooth : http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786852/
[23:09] <wxl> fascinating
[23:10] <aladiah> wxl: results for rfkill list all http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786860/
[23:11] <wxl> weird there's no bluetooth there
[23:11] <aladiah> no ?
[23:11] <aladiah> the driver . .
[23:11] <aladiah> the problem is the driver . .
[23:11] <aladiah> doesnit '
[23:11] <wxl> there's no reason to be sure of that
[23:12] <aladiah> because the wifi and bluetooth is the same piece of hardware doesnit ?
[23:12] <wxl> what about `hcitool dev`?
[23:12] <wxl> it's on the same card, but not on the same chip
[23:12] <aladiah> the driver is apropriate to wifi , but they forgot the bluetooth lololol
[23:12] <aladiah> what else?
[23:13] <wxl> you can think of it like a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich. the two components ARE seperate even though they're on the same thing.
[23:13] <wxl> the problem is that the bluetooth is not foudn
[23:13] <wxl> bluetooth ≠ wifi
[23:13] <wxl> totally different protocols
[23:13] <aladiah> yes it is different
[23:14] <aladiah> lolol how do you put that sign "different" ?
[23:14] <aladiah> its a keyword combination ?
[23:14] <wxl> it is if you use altgr
[23:14] <wxl> err compose key
[23:15] <wxl> 1https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey
[23:15] <aladiah> i dont see that sign on my keyboard
[23:15] <wxl> it's not
[23:15] <wxl> set up compose and it should be as easy as something like ralt = /
[23:15] <wxl> but what about `hcitool dev`?
[23:17] <aladiah> wxl : results for "hcitool dev" http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786924/
[23:22] <aladiah> Maybe i shloud add to broadcom ticket , this past.ubuntu . . . . too doesnit ?
[23:29] <aladiah> wxl : look to the ticket to broadcom now, with commands yhou ask my add to it : http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786973/
[23:29] <aladiah> its more complete now doesn i t?
[23:30] <wxl> yep
[23:30] <wxl> good luck aladiah
[23:31] <wxl> please share the solution with us when you find it
[23:31] <wxl> you can email the mailing list
[23:31] <aladiah> should i included your nick too as channel lubuntu support ?
[23:31] * wxl shrugs
[23:31] <wxl> i doubt they'll pop into irc and ask questions :)
[23:31] <aladiah> but i will
[23:31] <aladiah> anyway,
[23:35] <aladiah> wxl : read the latest paragraph please http://paste.ubuntu.com/10787004/
[23:35] <wxl> sure
[23:35] <wxl> bbl
[23:36] <aladiah> lets see
[23:38] <aladiah> wxl : you will not believe, when i submitt the ticket , the ticket is not accepted, because this: The reCAPTCHA wasn't entered correctly. Please try again.
[23:38] <ianorlin> aladiah: I think the driver you installed is for the wifi part of the chip
[23:38] <aladiah> What recaptcha, there is no re captcha .
[23:38] <aladiah> ianorlin, that is what i think too
[23:40] <ianorlin> I don't know of a broadcom bluetooth driver but I don't actually have anything bluetooth
[23:49] <aladiah> ok done, lets see what they have to say about it ! | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.100896 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-pl | [07:52] <kazimiera> alo :)
[07:53] <kazimiera> Pomoglby ktos z laptopem? Dostalam hp i grzeje sie niemilosiernie. Jest czysty w srodku.
[07:53] <kazimiera> Co moge zrobic oprocz zawiezienia go do jakiegos serwisu do ktorego za blisko nie mam :(
[07:56] <TheNumb> kazimiera: wymienić pastę termoprzewodzącą na procesorze/grafice.
[07:57] <jacek__> a wszystko w podzespołach w środku ok?
[07:57] <TheNumb> kazimiera: to jakiś stary laptop?
[07:59] <kazimiera> sorki wizyta kuriera
[07:59] <kazimiera> juz patrze
[07:59] <kazimiera> compaq 6910p
[08:01] <kazimiera> strasznie wiatrak szybko chodzi. Bardzo meczace to jest.
[08:01] <TheNumb> no, nieco stary
[08:01] <TheNumb> może pastę już szlag trafił
[08:01] <jacek__> chłodzenie ok? Na czym stoi laptop? Czy wariuje tylko w czasie pracy, czy cały czas?
[08:01] <TheNumb> ten laptop ma już 7 lat
[08:01] <TheNumb> jakby nie patrzeć
[08:01] <jacek__> jaki system? Ile RAM?
[08:02] <kazimiera> A najlepsze to jest to ze jak sie nagrzeje i wylacze go. I zaraz znow chce go wlaczyc to zaczyna startowac i sie wylacza (widac przegrzany)
[08:02] <kazimiera> Trzeba odczekac chwile.
[08:02] <kazimiera> Jak ostygnie da sie go uruchomic.
[08:03] <kazimiera> OS moge wgrac obojetnie jaki.
[08:04] <kazimiera> Teraz chyba jest jakis slack.
[08:04] <kazimiera> Sprobuje odpalic go, bo ogladalam go pare dni temu u kumpla.
[08:14] <kazimiera> proc T7300 ramu 2GB
[08:15] <kazimiera> Czyli co pierwsze sprawdzic? Paste?
[08:15] <kazimiera> Nastepnie co?
[08:16] <jacek__> a jak menadżer zadań?
[08:16] <kazimiera> Moze chlodzenie ma nieszczelne albo co? (nie znam sie na tym) Ale w tych rurkach miedzianych jest chyba jakis gaz
[08:16] <jacek__> nie ma przypadkiem 100% zużycia procka?
[08:16] <kazimiera> jacek__: co radzisz na nim odpalic i popatrzec w top?
[08:17] <jacek__> nic nie odpalaj, zobaczy czy ogólnie nie muli :)
[08:17] <jacek__> posortuj procesy od największego
[08:19] <kazimiera> :) Ogolnie chyba nie. Zmienic tez chce system. Slack jest fajny ale nie mam czasu czekac na kompilacje paczek.
[08:21] <TheNumb> zrób tam gentoo
[08:22] <jacek__> "chyba" - musisz mieć pewność zanim wydasz niepotrzebnie kasę w serwisie ;)
[08:23] <kazimiera> Odpalony tylko firefox. Prawie zero zuzycia proc w top mi pokazuje a wg mnie juz wiatrak za glosno chodzi.
[08:23] <TheNumb> kazimiera: może taki laptop
[08:24] <TheNumb> Ja jestem przyzwyczajony do cichego macbooka, a ten laptop ma dość głośny wiatrak.
[08:24] <kazimiera> Moze, ale teraz siedze na znacznie slabszej maszynie i mam znacznie ciszej. (compqnx6310)
[08:26] <kazimiera> W wiekszych miastach widzialam ze serwisy sie reklamuja ze przyniesisz lapka to diagnoza za free. Ale jak mam go wiezc 200km to niespecjalnie mam czas :(
[08:28] <kazimiera> Ogolnie moge wlozyc jakas kase w tego 6910p jakby mi go doprowadzili do porzadku. Czytaj cisza i upgrade proca czy memory za rozsadna cene.
[08:28] <jacek__> a ten Slack to na dysku twardym jest? Czy na USB?
[08:29] <kazimiera> na twardym. 14.1 ale chyba dawno nie aktualizowany
[08:34] <kazimiera> sensors takie cos pokazuje
[08:34] <kazimiera> http://wklej.org/id/1683658/
[08:35] <jacek__> no to ok wszystko
[08:47] <kazimiera> jacek_: na tego lapka to 32bit czy 64bit instalowac?
[08:47] <kazimiera> myslalam o mint
[08:48] <jacek_> a jaki ma procek?
[08:48] <jacek_> jak nie wiesz - 32-bit
[08:49] <jacek_> zapodaj coś z lekkim środowiskiem graficznym, polecam Xfce
[08:49] <jacek_> fajne jest Xubuntu, używam, chwalę
[08:52] <kazimiera> t
[08:52] <kazimiera> T7300
[08:52] <kazimiera> chyba 64bit w takim razie to jest
[08:53] <jacek_> jak coś 32-bit jest uniwersalny
[08:53] <jacek_> ale warto wykorzystać to, jeśli jest 64-bit
[09:12] <daz1> 32 bity takie uniwersalne xD | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.114158 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-kernel | [00:39] <RAOF> Days since btrfs has eaten any of my data: 0.
[07:42] <smb> tseliot, just as a bit of feedback the nvidia-340-updates variant of the binary driver for vivid at least seems to have only one dkms module producing both kernel modules in vivid. The uvm one is not loaded on that particular system but that might be related to the gpu variant. I am not sure when it should be loaded
[07:45] <tseliot> smb: does dmesg say anything interesting about uvm? Also, you shouldn't notice any problems unless you decided to use CUDA
[07:48] <smb> tseliot, nothing about uvm... and since cuda does not ring a bell immediately I suppose I have not decided to use that
[07:48] <smb> :)
[07:50] <tseliot> smb: yep, most users don't use the GPU that way ;)
[07:53] <smb> tseliot, so meh. :) I guess then it looks good to be backported into the Trusty version of the updates driver as you surely also noticed people start complaining about that.
[07:54] <tseliot> smb: yes, I want to backport all the new drivers too. This will take a little longer but it will be worth the effort
[08:00] <smb> tseliot, Yeah, since long-term this will let things cope better with hwe kernels. Hopefully power users have some amount of patience. Hm... maybe it is worth documenting how to manually resolve things until it gets fixed. I would not want to overestimate the patience of gamers. :-P
[08:02] <tseliot> smb: right now it's a bit of a random failure. At times it's even a false positive, meaning that, at times, dkms will complain even when the module is built
[08:04] <smb> tseliot, exactly. Even if one of the modules permanently failed it might be the uvm and if that is rarely used anyway most people won't care.
[08:04] <tseliot> smb: right
[08:42] <smb> apw, Hm, not sure I just did not see those before but udev rules seem to produce "error: /dev/sd*: No medium found" style message on usb card reader devices (without card) though this should be obvious by capacity 0 ... (vivid that is)
[09:05] <apw> smb, not sure i have either now
[09:05] <apw> no
[09:07] <smb> apw, yeah, likely only observable with hw that creates disk devices that has ejectable media
[09:28] <smb> apw, Oh,,, hm... so 60-persitent-storage.rules does have some checking on ATTR{removable}=="1" ... guess I have to run with debug to get any idea what part really does the access
[13:52] <mssbrg> Hi, I'm trying to build an in-tree driver via `make modules SUBDIRS=drivers/thunderbolt` but I get a "disagrees about version of symbol module_layout" in dmesg upon insmod. What build files should I check to make sure I'm building for the right kernel? .config? Module.symvers?
[13:57] <apw> mssbrg, you need to make sure it is the exact version that was built, and the compiler matches iirc
[13:59] <mssbrg> apw: the compiler should be the same. as for version, I'm currently running this kernel: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.19-vivid/, and I've checked out to tag v3.19 in the tree
[14:00] <mssbrg> so it seems like those should match. I noticed that there were no *patch files for reconstructing the source tree though
[14:05] <apw> mssbrg, there really ought to be ... hmmm
[14:37] <mssbrg> apw: if you happen to investigate/have any more info, please let me know :)
[17:16] <apw> mssbrg, oddly the patches are there for .2 and .3
[17:35] <apw> mssbrg, oh ... well thats strange, it seems the kernel user on one of our builders doesn't have an "real name", and that has hosed the patches for those builds ... so i am rebuilding the two i noticed which are affected, though i am sure there are others
[20:08] <hanfm> Hello, i have a problem in ubuntu 10.04, /var/log/messages is full of entries like this:
[20:08] <hanfm> Apr 9 21:55:01 <myserver> kernel: [1708785.301163] cron[17345] general protection ip:7f9b28621786 sp:7fff2d524b20 error:0 in libpthread-2.11.1.so[7f9b2861c000+18000]
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu+1 | [08:11] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[09:50] <Dry_Lips> Hi... Have any of you tried out Kubuntu 15.04? Is the new plasma desktop usable, or is it buggy?
[09:51] <Dry_Lips> I'm not thinking about the fact that 15.04 is a beta, I'm thinking about the plasma 5 desktop here...
[09:52] <lordievader> Dry_Lips: Surely it is usable. But be aware Vivid is still a development release.
[09:53] <Dry_Lips> yeah, sure, I'm aware of that... It's reached the feature freeze, right?
[09:55] <lordievader> Jup, but that doesn't take away that things might still break.
[09:56] <Dry_Lips> Sure, that's the nature of a development release
[09:57] <lordievader> Precisely ;)
[09:57] <lordievader> Dry_Lips: Anyhow, you can allways make a live-usb and check Plasma5 for yourself ;)
[09:58] <Dry_Lips> Yes, definitively
[10:14] <MonkeyDust> !info vagrant
[10:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:53] <Dry_Lips> lordievader, okay, now I'm on Kubuntu 15.04... Rock solid so far!
[14:53] <lordievader> Dry_Lips: ;)
[14:53] <Dry_Lips> :)
[20:30] <furkan> Dry_Lips: i tried kubuntu... but can't get over how laggy it feels to me, compared to unity. i dunno if if it's just not configured right or what, all the animations are smooth but i feel like the feedback just isn't as instantaneous as on unity | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.123301 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntukylin-devel | [12:46] <pishuilu> happyaron:ubuntukylin的slideshow更新了三张图片，提了一个merge请求，你可以处理一下么？
[13:05] <happyaron> pishuilu: 收到
[13:05] <happyaron> pishuilu: 刚到家
[13:12] <pishuilu> happyaron: 谢谢！
[13:15] <happyaron> 木事。。。 | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.126860 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#maas | [02:07] <mup> Bug #1441933 was opened: Internal Server Error when saving a cluster without Router IP <MAAS:New for rvb> <MAAS 1.7:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441933>
[06:26] <dimitern> rvba, ping
[08:06] <rvba> dimitern: hey
[08:07] <dimitern> rvba, hey, it's fine - I needed to confirm that missing lshw data always leads to failed deployments, but roaksoax already did this
[08:08] <rvba> dimitern: okay, cool :).
[08:08] <dimitern> rvba, which means juju should indeed fail when lshw is missing/unparsable
[08:09] <rvba> Right.
[10:21] <mup> Bug #1442059 was opened: 1.8b1 Failed deployment timeout powering on AMT <landscape> <power> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442059>
[10:33] <mup> Bug #1442059 changed: 1.8b1 Failed deployment timeout powering on AMT <landscape> <power> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442059>
[10:39] <mup> Bug #1442059 was opened: 1.8b1 Failed deployment timeout powering on AMT <landscape> <power> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442059>
[12:09] <mup> Bug #1442112 was opened: booting ppc64el with hwe-u kernel hangs in initrd <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442112>
[12:39] <mup> Bug #1442131 was opened: 1.8b1 redundant owner column on devices page <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442131>
[13:51] <mup> Bug #1442157 was opened: Manually added node doesn't get added to MAAS managed DNS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442157>
[14:21] <mup> Bug #1442162 was opened: Spurious test failure: maasserver.api.tests.test_nodes.TestFilteredNodesListFromRequest.test_node_list_with_ids_orders_by_id <tests> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442162>
[15:46] <mup> Bug #1442234 was opened: maas-regiond and maas-clusterd clobber logs each time they're started <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442234>
[17:01] <mup> Bug #1442280 was opened: The ordering of the statuses changes when nodes change status <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442280>
[17:04] <mup> Bug #1442280 changed: The ordering of the statuses changes when nodes change status <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442280>
[17:13] <mup> Bug #1442280 was opened: The ordering of the statuses changes when nodes change status <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442280>
[17:16] <serverascode> Does anyone know if the 1.7.1 deb files for trusty around somewhere? the stable ppa has 1.7.2 which is not working for me, but 1.7.1 is in another install
[17:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: why is it not working?
[17:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: what are you affected by?
[17:42] <serverascode> seems like the region controller doesn't auto configure, " Failed to connect to region controller, cannot upload leases", I don't see interfaces in the cluster in the gui
[17:43] <serverascode> to be honest I don't really have time to troubleshoot it, I have a feeling 1.7.1 will work
[17:44] <serverascode> I'd really like to use and recommend maas, but so far it has been quite the struggle
[18:05] <bmorriso> Morning folks. It seems like MaaS by default installs on the first disk. "d-i partman/early_command string debconf-set partman-auto/disk `list-devices disk | head -n1`" -- Would I just edit this to something more like "d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sdb" to specify the disk I want? I am using Curtin, rather than debian installer.
[18:06] <blake_r> bmorriso: if you using curtin then you will want to change the curtin_userdata preseed
[18:07] <bmorriso> I don't see anything in there specific to partitioning/disk layout
[18:09] <blake_r> bmorriso: that is because by default curitn picks the first disk
[18:09] <blake_r> bmorriso: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784573/
[18:09] <blake_r> bmorriso: add that to the config
[18:09] <blake_r> bmorriso: change the /dev/sdb to the device you want
[18:10] <bmorriso> Is there a certain place that should go?
[18:10] <blake_r> bmorriso: it can just go at the end
[18:11] <blake_r> serverascode: did you ever get the cluster connected to the region
[18:11] <bmorriso> Thank you very much!!
[18:11] <blake_r> bmorriso: no problem
[18:16] <bmorriso> blake_r: if I wanted to target a specific host with that command? According to this https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs1.7/development/preseeds.html I would do something like "curtin_userdata_ubuntu_amd64_generic_bfs2.poc" ?
[18:16] <bmorriso> With Curtin is there a way to target system information? Either brand of server, or type of disk?
[18:17] <bmorriso> I can give more context if it'd help
[18:17] <blake_r> curtin_userdata_ubuntu_amd64_generic_trusty_bfs2
[18:17] <blake_r> don't include the fqdn
[18:17] <blake_r> just the hostname
[18:17] <blake_r> bmorriso: no real way of doing that
[18:17] <blake_r> bmorriso: you could tag the machines in maas
[18:18] <blake_r> bmorriso: then using the templating system we use, make a conditional on that tag
[18:18] <bmorriso> So tag it UCS/LUN or something similar, then based on those tags, match on the conditional with an "if/else" and I could set the partition that way?
[18:19] <bmorriso> I really don't want to get into managing preseeds per server, rather I'd like to say "If this has a NetApp disk (LUN) or If this is UCS booting from SAN, install Ubuntu on this disk, else install on the first disk"
[18:36] <blake_r> bmorriso: no not that way
[18:37] <blake_r> bmorriso: if you need to do something like that, then you will need to add that logic in the preseed to be processed by the client
[18:37] <blake_r> bmorriso: I was speaking of tags in maas, like tagging a machine
[18:39] <bmorriso> I'll have to look at the docs to see.
[18:41] <bmorriso> blake_r: I used what you suggested for /dev/sdb but it actually installed it on /dev/sdc http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784781/
[18:43] <blake_r> bmorriso: the order the disks are picked up by the kernel are not persistent
[18:43] <blake_r> bmorriso: so /dev/sdb would have been /dev/sdc in the installer environment
[18:43] <bmorriso> OK. Fair enough. It did what I wanted, which was to _not_ install on the local disks
[18:44] <blake_r> bmorriso: you could use by-id path if you want a specific disk and you know its id
[18:44] <blake_r> bmorriso: ls -l /dev/disks/by-id/
[18:44] <blake_r> bmorriso: that will make sure its that exact disk
[18:45] <bmorriso> this should suffice. I don't hard code paths, the only intention was to ensure it didn't install on the local disks. This is perfect! Thanks for the support. Love this channel/group/project
[19:00] <bmorriso> blake_r: what is the equivalent of "install disk-detect/multipath/enable=true" in curtin? Or is there?
[19:18] <bmorriso> I have this in curtin_userdata_ubuntu_amd64_generic_trusty_bfs2 http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785028/ but it doesn't actually install the package.
[19:56] <bmorriso> Would I not see early or late commands in install.log? Is there a way to see this output?
[19:58] <blake_r> bmorris: try adding .local to the end of that file to see if it gets installed
[19:59] <blake_r> might not be getting used
[20:00] <blake_r> hostname will contain a .local if it was enlisted and not manually added
[20:00] <blake_r> oh I know what's wrong
[20:00] <blake_r> you need that one late_commands
[20:01] <blake_r> and you need to use curtin in-target -- before it
[20:01] <blake_r> without that you are installjng in the booted Ubuntu installed
[20:40] <mup> Bug #1442360 was opened: 1.8b1: Cannot add machine Missing Power Type <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442360>
[21:01] <bmorriso> blake_r: what you sent earlier, is now getting picked up but it errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785782/
[21:04] <blake_r> bmorriso: ah its block-meta not block_meta, my bad
[21:05] <bmorriso> yeah, I looked closer at the output...no worries. Appreciate the guidance. Wish there were more documentation on curtin. Feels like a black box
[21:05] <bmorriso> Is here the best place to ask curtin questions or is there a curtin specific channel?
[21:06] <blake_r> bmorriso: this is the best place, no specific curtin channel
[21:06] <bmorriso> I just hacked together a pretty awesome preseed, and now I have to figure out how to get it all into Curtin.
[21:30] <bmorriso> So my install log shows "Installation finished. No error reported" but the server is just stuck in 'deploying' state http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785977/
[21:30] <bmorriso> It never changes from 'deploying' to 'deployed'
[21:36] <blake_r> bmorriso: the node has to boot again into the new installation and contactaas to
[21:36] <blake_r> maas to be marked deployed
[21:36] <blake_r> check the console of the node to see where it got stuck
[21:37] <bmorriso> It's at the login prompt
[21:37] <bmorriso> it never rebooted
[21:37] <bmorriso> It put the keys on the host
[21:39] <bmorriso> Here is a screenshot http://i.imgur.com/qXCk6Fb.png
[21:42] <bmorriso> I can provide cloud-init.log or cloud-init-output.log if it would be useful
[22:22] <mup> Bug #1442379 was opened: 1.8beta1: 500 error when shutting down node <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442379> | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.131849 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-fi | [08:14] <thonza> moi. asennettuani tietokoneelle androidin boottasin windowssiin ja sitten androidiin ja ilmaantoi virhe 17.
[08:19] <thonza> Honvai: siirry kanavalle #android-fi tai tulee bannit.
[08:35] <thonza> Liittyskö joku android-fi kanavalle apuun?
[14:16] <Mirv> Ruotsista löytyy nyt suoraan web-kaupasta Dell XPS 13:n tämän vuoden Broadwell-mallia Ubuntulla... http://www.dell.com/se/foretag/p/xps-13-linux/pd
[14:17] <Mirv> koska näppäimistö on yleensä se hidaste ja se on tuossa jo ratkaistu (Pohjoismaissahan on yhteinen), niin toivottavasti saa Suomestakin nyt sitten ihan pian
[14:17] <Mirv> ainoa miinuspuoli on että Dell Suomella ei ole jostain syystä vieläkään varsinaista verkkokauppaa joten pitää joko puhelimitse tai jälleenmyyjien kautta lähestyä sen sijaan että vain klikkaisi koneen tilauskeen
[14:20] <elias_a> "Fattar du int svennefan? Skicka en halv dussin hit _nu genast_!"
[14:28] <tale> Suomalainen ja ruotsalainen näppäinasettelu on sama, mutta tanskalainen ja norjalainen on erilaiset.
[14:29] <tale> Eli jos läppäriä tilaa ulkomailta niin ruotsinäppäimistö tarttis olla.
[14:46] <Iltsu> saksalaises on oikee määrä merkkei
[15:05] <teprrr> joskus näkee hölmöllä entterillä varustettuna kuites kai. tosin se ei varmaan leiskan vika oo :P
[15:12] <StockAntenna> sakuilla on y ja z väärinpäin
[15:13] <StockAntenna> mut tosiaan nordiska-koneita on, mullin Asusi missä on fi sv dk no merkinnät
[15:15] <Yohio> enemmän varmaan hämää noi erikoismerkit kun saksalaisillakin on ainakin +, # ja * eri paikassa kun meillä
[15:16] <Yohio> vähän läppäristä riippuen Y ja Z voi vaihtaa suoraan keskenään, normaaleissa näppiksissä ei kuitenkaan yleensä onnistu
[16:56] <thonza> moi. tulisiko joku kanavalle #android-fi auttamaan?
[17:15] <elias_a> Pyyhkimään!
[19:45] <Mikaela> ihme etten itke nyt. Juuri kun viimeinen 32-bittinen laite on sanonut itsensä irti äiti keksii ostaa kaveriltaan 85€:lla vanhan minikannettavan, jossa on luonnollisesti 32-bittinen suoritin :(
[19:45] <Echramath> No mitäs se nyt maailmaa kaataa
[19:46] <jjo> :D
[19:46] <Mikaela> ei kai mitään ja minulla näyttää myös olevan laukussa 32-bittinen Ubuntu MATE LTS, joten ehkä tästä selviää
[19:46] <jjo> yleensä ei ole väliä mitä laitteita muut ostavat, mutta jos tietää joutuvansa ylläpitovastuuseen...
[19:47] <Mikaela> olen ainut kuka täällä edes osaa tehdä mitään ylläpitoa ja koska tässä on valmiiksi Windows XP Home Edition kielsin sitä edes käyttämästä sitä, koska tuki päättyi ajat sitten
[19:51] <Mikaela> WLAN toimii suoraan, joten ei kai ole kovin suurta ajuripelkoa
[20:33] <Mikaela> Asennus keskittyi valittaen jotakin kiintolevystä, joka on mahdollisesti vanha ja täytyy vaihtaa tai vaihtoehtoisesti siirtää kone viileämpään ympäristöön.
[20:33] <Mikaela> Yritän nyt selvittää onko tässä vikaa komennolla "badblocks -wsv /dev/sda" ja tämä tulostaa pelkkiä numeroita. Kuuluuko tämän tehdä näin ja tarkoittaako tämä vain, että kiintolevy on entinen? Kaikki ohjeet esim. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Badblocks#read-write_Test antavat täysin erilaista ulostuloa. Mitä voisin tehdä?
[20:33] <Mikaela> Ai niin ja levy ei ymmärtääkseni tue SMARTtia tai ainakin smartctl valittaa
[20:34] <Mikaela> Tuo myös valittaa "Levytila vähissä 0 bytes jäljellä"
[21:13] <Mikaela> ilmeisesti tuo jäätyi 00:07 kokonaan ja nyt sammutin sen väkisin ja jonkin ajan päästä yritän asennusta uudelleen. Laitoin limskapullon korkit tuon alle ja toivon, että vika on lämpotilassa eikä kiintolevyssä, koska olen eksyksissä mitä sen suhteen voisi tehdä
[21:29] <atalsta> Hakea kaupasta uusi levy. Eikai oikein muuta ole tehtävissä jos se on rikki.
[21:30] <Mikaela> mutta miten sen varmistaisi olevan varmasti rikki ja pystyykö levyjä vaihtelemaan niin helposti. Tämä on Acer Aspire One
[21:30] <Mikaela> siis minikannettava
[21:32] <Mikaela> nyt se jäätyi taas kun pidin jonkin aikaa pois päältä ja yritin asentaa uudelleen, se ei näyttänyt liikkuvan ja yritin avata lisätiedot ja enää ei tapahdu mitään ja laatauskursori on jumissa
[21:42] <atalsta> Noi minikannettavat pääsääntöisesti on aika ikäviä avattavia. Ainakin joka ainoa minkä olen itse avannut on sitä ollut.
[21:45] <atalsta> Valmistajan testisoftalla pääsee ainakin alkuun. Ultimate boot CD:llä taitaa jotain kyseisiä softia olla. En muista tarkalleen kun en ole aikoihin tuota tarvinut.
[21:52] <Mikaela> kiitos, tutustun huomenna. yötä
[22:20] <Iltsu> Mikaela, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFnIVZn3Wqk
[22:20] <Iltsu> näyttäs olevan tosi helppo homma
[22:21] <atalsta> Kato helkkari. Niinpä tosiaan näyttää.
[22:48] <Iltsu> StockAntenna, Yohio, ei sil y/z -jutul oo mitää välii ku valkkaa vaa suomileiskan
[22:48] <Iltsu> mullon itelläni ollu saksanäppiksel kone ilman ongelmaa, oliha siel sit åäö tilal jotaa hassuu, mut ei sitä huomaa jossei näppistä kato | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.145747 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-unity | [08:10] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ~test3 now finally looks better (~test2 had a build failure due to not rebasing enough). can you again give Plasma a whirl? I was able to log in now. when the armhf is ready, I'll start AP:s on it.
[08:11] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i will
[09:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: actually your patch makes the spinning wheel not show when unity8-dash crashes/is stopoped on thje phone
[09:05] <tsdgeos> is that what we want?
[09:05] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, spinning wheel?
[09:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: the ubuntu logo thing
[09:06] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, where's that? is that from USC, shining through?
[09:06] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: probably yes
[09:06] <mzanetti> I wonder if that should actually still spin if unity8 is running
[09:07] <tsdgeos> Saviq: opinion? ↑↑↑
[09:07] <mzanetti> does that never stop spinning? seems like a waste of resources, no?
[09:07] <tsdgeos> or wait maybe it only spins when there's no unity8
[09:07] <tsdgeos> and i'm just confused
[09:07] <tsdgeos> let me check
[09:08] <Saviq> otp
[09:14] <greyback_> tsdgeos: mzanetti: spinner process is controlled by USC, so is stopped when unity8 running, restarted when not
[09:15] <tsdgeos> yeah i guess i may have been confused
[09:15] <mzanetti> ack
[09:29] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah, unpong
[09:29] <tsdgeos> unping i mean
[09:54] <tsdgeos> Mirv: plasma starts good, but konsole for example fails to start, wonder if that's a fail in konsole or in qt5 or what
[10:05] <Mirv> tsdgeos: :( ppa-purge and compare?
[10:29] <tsdgeos> Mirv: it is because of the dbus changes
[10:30] <tsdgeos> konsole is using some old code that used to give this warning
[10:30] <tsdgeos> https://paste.kde.org/pxqkoroaa
[10:30] <tsdgeos> with the dbus patches it gives http://paste.ubuntu.com/10781563/
[10:30] <tsdgeos> i.e. the warnings caught up and became errors
[10:31] <tsdgeos> this is coming from a class that is deprecated in the KDE Frameworks 5 world. and the apps that use the non deprecated version work fine
[10:32] <tsdgeos> so one option is just port konsole, kaccess and kfontview from the deprecated one to the new one
[10:32] <tsdgeos> and leave the deprecated thing broken
[10:32] <tsdgeos> i'll give it a quick spin and see if i can unbreka the deprecated one
[10:35] <Mirv> ok...
[10:36] <tsdgeos> but it's not really looking great for vivid i'd say
[13:33] <dandrader> tsdgeos, hi. what's missing before you can top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/ddaImprovements/+merge/254964 ?
[13:34] <tsdgeos> dandrader: it's explained in my comment
[13:34] <tsdgeos> i want someone else to try it and give a feeling they're fine with the behaviour change
[13:34] <tsdgeos> for small movements
[13:34] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ah, ok
[13:35] <dandrader> mzanetti, ^^^
[13:35] <mzanetti> installing it to the device at the moment
[13:35] <dandrader> mzanetti, great, thanks! it fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1417920
[13:37] <mzanetti> dandrader, it makes the launcher hide though
[13:37] <dandrader> mzanetti, you have to apply the patch from one of my comments
[13:37] <dandrader> mzanetti, there's an issue in Launcher.qml
[13:37] <mzanetti> ah ok
[13:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, dandrader: hmm... IMO this improves it quite a bit
[13:41] <mzanetti> you can now drag the dash up/down on the very rightmost pixel. that didn't work before
[13:42] <dandrader> mzanetti, exactly
[13:43] <mzanetti> dandrader, I can notice a little jumping though that wasn't there before
[13:45] <mzanetti> the launcher smoothens that with an animation, on the right edge it does some jumping though
[13:45] <mzanetti> dandrader, think you can fix that?
[13:46] <mzanetti> especially if we upstream this to the SDK I don't think the developer using the DDA should need to care about interpolating the drag
[13:47] <dandrader> mzanetti, yeah, I commented that jump in the MP
[13:47] <dandrader> mzanetti, indeed PhoneStage doesn't it smooth it out like Launcher does
[13:48] <mzanetti> dandrader, yeah... in the right edge, the spread drag position is directly linked to the drag position
[13:49] <mzanetti> dandrader, which is the most straight forward use of the DDA
[13:49] <mzanetti> so I would say the DDA should smoothen it somehow
[13:49] <mzanetti> dandrader, I wonder if the start pos could be set to the point where the drag is recognized/accepted
[13:52] <dandrader> mzanetti, if I'm not mistaken, DDA keeps it's properties up to date from the very start of the gesture but PhoneStage only starts to follow then once its status is Recognized, which makes sense otherwise it would distract the user even on simple taps near the edge
[13:53] <mzanetti> hmm.... I see
[13:53] <dandrader> mzanetti, but I will see what I can do
[13:53] <mzanetti> dandrader, cool, thanks
[14:07] <seb128> sooo
[14:07] <seb128> on my bq rtm 267 image, I installed a calendar app update through settings, went back to the dash, long clicked on the calendar icon to see the click store details/changelog for the new version, clicked on the open button from the detail page
[14:07] <seb128> that failed to start it, trying to run the old version
[14:08] <seb128> WARNING **: Unable to find keyfile for application 'com.ubuntu.calendar_calendar_0.4.600'
[14:08] <seb128> whose bug is that?
[14:12] <Saviq> seb128, click scope, I'd say, it shouldn't send the versioned app id to us
[14:13] <seb128> bah, no dobey here
[14:21] <dandrader> mzanetti, Yeah, now I remember. I added code to EdgeDragArea.onTouchXChanged to avoid that jump.
[14:21] <dandrader> will try to do the same for the Phone|TabletStage ones
[14:21] <dandrader> mzanetti, the EdgeDragArea in the Launcher I mean
[15:11] <elopio> ping kgunn, can we talk about the sanity test helpers.
[15:11] <elopio> ?
[15:11] <elopio> the email jfunk sent yesterday.
[15:13] <jfunk> elopio: kgunn is likely quite busy with the sprint planning, try replying to the email with the information he'd need to create the card
[15:14] <kgunn> yep elopio, i can get to it this afternoon (morning is kinda nuts)
[15:38] <elopio> kgunn: jfunk: ok, I sent an email. Ping me if there's something else you need.
[15:48] <om26er> tsdgeos, Hi! unity8 crashed for me, after I rebooted the device unity8-dash does not show up.
[15:48] <om26er> any logs you would like to see ?
[15:48] <tsdgeos> om26er: is it running? i.e. does ps show it? ps -A | grep dash
[15:48] <om26er> tsdgeos, seems not
[15:49] <tsdgeos> what does .cache/upstart/unity8-dash.log say?
[15:50] <ricotz> Trevinho, hi :), it has been some time since the last bamf release, maybe you like and have time to tag/release 0.5.2
[15:51] <om26er> tsdgeos, does not exist
[15:51] <om26er> I assume that means it never tried to start
[15:51] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[15:52] <tsdgeos> i guess you need tedg or someone with more upstart knowledge now
[15:52] <om26er> start unity8-dash would work but I was hoping to get that nailed down somehow.
[15:53] <dandrader> @unity: I can no longer control the brightness of my mako. you guys getting the same? (either through the slider or "powerd-cli display on bright")
[15:54] <Saviq> dandrader, and that persists across reboots?
[15:55] <dandrader> Saviq, yes. it was like that yesterday and it's still like that today
[15:55] <dednick> dandrader: just flashed today. works for me.
[15:55] <Saviq> dandrader, works fine here
[15:56] <Saviq> dandrader, is powerd running?
[15:56] <dandrader> Saviq, yes
[15:57] <dandrader> well, will reflash and see
[16:00] <Trevinho> ricotz: hey
[16:00] <Trevinho> ricotz: well, nothing big has happened, afaik...
[16:04] <dandrader> tsdgeos, mzanetti. right-edge animation start is now smooth as silk in https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/ddaImprovements/+merge/254964
[16:07] <ricotz> Trevinho, i mean a real tarball release the last one is 0.5.0 dated 2013-08-30
[16:07] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/bamf/+download
[16:10] <mzanetti> dandrader, nice :D
[16:12] <mzanetti> dandrader, no way to built that into the DDA somehow?
[16:13] <dandrader> mzanetti, maybe. not sure yet. left as a todo item of my "API grooming for moving it to SDK" branch
[16:37] <Saviq> tedg, how do I encode dbus paths again? where do I get the codes for _2d _2f etc?
[16:42] <Saviq> ah, introspection FTW
[16:54] <Saviq> mterry, looking at the fix for bug #1436349, we're now "losing" the wizard after hanging up the call, wonder if that's what we want?
[17:59] <josharenson> tedg: Did you get my e-mail? No rush, but would certainly appreciate the help.
[18:10] <mterry> Saviq, that was always my intention anyway -- I think the last time I asked design about that (a long long time ago), they didn't particularly care what happened
[18:33] <Saviq> mterry, truth be told we should probably only enable the modem after the wizard
[18:33] <mterry> Saviq, yeah that would probably make a smoother experience
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2015-04-09-#ubuntustudio | [03:11] <studio-user705> hi
[03:11] <holstein> o/
[09:27] <studio-user282> non riesco a guardare i video su you tube
[09:27] <studio-user282> con ubuntu studio
[09:29] <cfhowlett> !it | studio-user282
[16:23] <francis_> quick question. i have intalled the ubuntu studio distro but kept only the audio. does this make the system faster and more stable or not?
[16:23] <cfhowlett> francis_, no and no
[16:23] <holstein> no software makes your hardware any "faster"..
[16:24] <holstein> you can configure any OS to make better use of resources, but, ubuntustudio is not tailored for that. its for audio production
[16:24] <francis_> but i thought the processing would be better without background apps running
[16:24] <holstein> i say, use your system "as-is" and tweak as needed
[16:24] <holstein> francis_: were "background apps" running?
[16:24] <francis_> i dont know , thats why im asking you guys
[16:25] <holstein> anyways, i say, use your machine, and when you have problems with system resources, you can look into what you need
[16:25] <francis_> i only installed the audio stuff without the plug ins
[16:25] <francis_> for ardour
[16:25] <cfhowlett> francis_, "background"? you mean the graphics, photography and publishing apps? NONE of those normally run in the background
[16:25] <holstein> francis_: audio plugins are *not* running in the background
[16:25] <francis_> yes thats what im talking about
[16:25] <holstein> ardour wont be either
[16:25] <cfhowlett> francis_, what are you system specifications?
[16:26] <holstein> i say, install ubuntustudio, start using the machine, and address issues as they happen, rather than trying to make a "lean" system
[16:26] <francis_> im on an old dell optiplex 780 with 4 gigs of ram
[16:26] <francis_> im going to do a build in august so im practicing now
[16:26] <francis_> its my first album recorded on linux
[16:27] <francis_> im going to do a small film about it
[16:27] <holstein> you shouldnt need "better" hardware to make an audio recording
[16:27] <francis_> you think the dell will cut it?
[16:27] <cfhowlett> francis_, more ram usually yields performance. bear that in mind for your build.
[16:27] <cfhowlett> francis_, cut ... it?
[16:27] <holstein> francis_: the specs you reference will.. i dont know what drivers you need, or have
[16:28] <cfhowlett> francis_, oh, for a an album? possibly
[16:28] <francis_> im using the rme babyface
[16:28] <holstein> folks have been making audio recordings for *years* on machines much less performant
[16:28] <francis_> me too but im unsure of linux. ive only beed 'at it' a few months
[16:28] <holstein> francis_: sure.. linux is what it is
[16:29] <holstein> francis_: linux wont make any magical setup automatically make your machine "better"
[16:29] <holstein> typically, linux makes better use of system resources
[16:29] <francis_> i love it and the whole linux community but im trying to get my system perfect so that when i start recording i dont need to speak with you guys ha ha
[16:30] <holstein> unfortunately, a lot of folks try and come to linux, and expect "magic", or, as you are doing, come and try and "configure" things, and break things.. and end up with a bad experience
[16:30] <holstein> i say, use ubuntustudio "as-is" and try and keep an open mind, as you try and gain experience
[16:30] <cfhowlett> francis_, #opensourcemusicians might be worth a visit once you're ready to start laying tracks.
[16:30] <francis_> i have learned to have respect for the community, i understand that people do most of this in their spare time
[16:30] <holstein> francis_: "perfect" is a matter of opinion, and use case
[16:31] <francis_> functional i believe is the word
[16:31] <holstein> francis_: ubuntustudio is *not* intended to be, nor is it capable of being "perfect" for your needs.. its intended to be more "middle of the road"
[16:31] <holstein> i use ubuntu, and linux for all these tasks
[16:31] <francis_> it should be able to record audio at 96k right?
[16:32] <holstein> francis_: friend, again, folks have been doing that for *years*
[16:32] <holstein> francis_: nothing about linux or ubuntustudio will prevent you from doing that
[16:32] <francis_> i hate plug ins and software synths so there wont be any cpu damage
[16:32] <holstein> francis_: now, there are *lots* of variables.. the hardware support, for one
[16:32] <holstein> francis_: plugins and software synths are just that.. software.. they dont damage anc CPU
[16:32] <holstein> any*
[16:33] <holstein> francis_: if you dont want them, dont use them.. but, i urge you to not rip parts of the system out, til you gain more experience
[16:33] <francis_> ok
[16:34] <holstein> i record 8 tracks at a time, via firewire, 24/96 on a netbook
[16:34] <holstein> 2 gigs of ram.. smaller CPU
[16:34] <holstein> why? because its portable
[16:34] <holstein> i dont expect magic, and i dont mix or edit on it
[16:34] <francis_> very cool, this is what i need to know because if thats the case then i may not even need to build a new computer
[16:34] <holstein> i *only* track on the machine.. and i move the project to the main rig ASAP
[16:35] <francis_> why
[16:35] <holstein> francis_: its slow, as i mentioned.. i dont *need* to mix on it, so i dont
[16:35] <francis_> so its because f your computer, not the system right?
[16:35] <holstein> francis_: for me to load up a session and expect to edit it on a netbook would be setting up for failure
[16:36] <holstein> francis_: there are *no* limitations built into linux, or ubuntu
[16:36] <francis_> do you use ardour?
[16:36] <holstein> francis_: ubuntu does what it does and has no need to prevent me from doing anything..
[16:36] <holstein> francis_: correct.. ardour.. and also, mixbus, build on ardour
[16:37] <francis_> mixbus? does that come with ubuntu studio distro
[16:37] <holstein> anyways, the main rig i have is a dual core with 8 gigs of ram.. the bottle neck in that system it not the hardware specs
[16:37] <holstein> francis_: mixbus is a commercial product. it comes with nothing.. you purchase it, from the creators.. its built on ardour
[16:38] <holstein> i have a backup machine that i use often that is a p4 with 4 gigs of ram
[16:38] <francis_> so your big rig has ardour and you mix on it?
[16:38] <holstein> francis_: mix/edit.. has linux/ardour/mixbus.. etc on it
[16:39] <francis_> what is the terminal command for me to see what ghz my machine is?
[16:40] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/218567/any-way-to-check-the-clock-speed-of-my-processor
[16:40] <holstein> lscpu
[16:41] <holstein> but, that likely only states what speed its *running* at.. could be speed stepping, which, i disable, as needed
[16:41] <holstein> cpu stepping can mess with latency, and performance, so, i disable it.. at the bios level, or as needed in software
[16:41] <francis_> im looking at that mixbus thing, it looks very cool. i might have to get it.
[16:41] <holstein> they have a demo
[16:42] <francis_> is it basicall7y a plug in package?
[16:43] <francis_> i dont use eq or plug ins
[16:43] <holstein> sure. dont if you dont want to
[16:43] <holstein> but, you likely prefer just staying analog the whole time
[16:43] <holstein> just get a tape machine, or something like a adat appliance
[16:43] <holstein> the *only* appeal to me for working in a computer is the ease of editing and adding plugins
[16:44] <holstein> otherwise, the overhead of running a computer is quite unnecessary.. and i wouldnt bother
[16:44] <francis_> http://francisdunnery.bandcamp.com/
[16:44] <francis_> check out track 2
[16:44] <francis_> its got no eq or plug ins
[16:44] <francis_> no compression
[16:44] <holstein> anyways, mixbus uses the harrison consoles DSP and "bakes" it into the UI for ardour
[16:44] <holstein> the tape saturation on the big consoles they sell
[16:45] <holstein> either you want it, or you dont, and there is a demo..
[16:45] <francis_> right
[16:45] <francis_> ill check out the demo
[16:45] <holstein> i like to keep plugins to a minimum
[16:46] <holstein> i dont expect them to save the project, or compensate for bad signal path..
[16:46] <francis_> im 52 i dont like modern sounding records
[16:46] <holstein> sure..
[16:46] <holstein> im 40, and i dont like recordings..
[16:46] <francis_> too much top, too much bottom, too much comporession
[16:46] <cfhowlett> I'm 29 and holding
[16:46] <francis_> ha ha
[16:46] <holstein> yup. i want to put my ears on it.. or you can just turn that crap off ;)
[16:46] <holstein> but, anyways.. its what we have.. and i like to try and make things sound as natural as possible
[16:47] <holstein> using a plugin doesnt dictate that its unnatural, or "bad" sounding..
[16:47] <francis_> you should check out my album, its the coolest sounding record ive done
[16:47] <francis_> yes it does
[16:47] <holstein> francis_: no
[16:47] <francis_> i can hear it and i dont like it
[16:47] <holstein> francis_: thats your opinion, and thats find.. you are entitled.. but, its not a given
[16:47] <holstein> francis_: i hear *lots* of recording done on analog gear that sound 'bad' to me
[16:48] <francis_> i dont record analogue
[16:48] <holstein> computers actually didnt make sound bad..
[16:48] <francis_> i just dont use plug ins or eq
[16:48] <holstein> *something* colors the sound.. its just you choose to not do that in software..
[16:49] <francis_> the first track on that link is a drum box, the rest from track 2 onwards are cool recordings with nothing on them
[16:49] <holstein> anyways, again, you are entitled.. and i think your methods are commendable, as long as you are open to others having other methods.. if not, then, this really isnt a disscussion anymore
[16:50] <francis_> people love different things, of course thats what makes it fantastic, just me, personally, i have difficulty with the sound of plug ins
[16:50] <holstein> so, dont use them.. no one will make you, i promise
[16:50] <francis_> arour is my new tape machine ha ha
[16:50] <holstein> unless you are trying to get clients.. then, you'll likely want to reconsider..
[16:52] <francis_> yes
[16:52] <francis_> anyway guys, i have to go now
[16:52] <francis_> i appreciate your time
[16:52] <holstein> lol.. "96k, the highest quality"
[16:52] <francis_> ill be back on when i run into trouble and i will take your advice
[16:52] <holstein> i know, i was going to close the page if i couldnt hear it in 96k ;)
[16:53] <holstein> i like how bandcamp gives lots of options for downloads
[16:53] <holstein> francis_: sure, good luck, and im just pulling up your project..
[16:53] <francis_> it was the only one at the time that would let you have a download of 98k
[16:54] <francis_> make sure you start on track 2 onwards, track 1 is a drumbox
[16:54] <holstein> sure.. and only dogs and bats care/notice ;)
[16:54] <holstein> but i do appreciate the options..
[16:54] <francis_> yes ha ha
[16:54] <francis_> and fish
[16:54] <francis_> bye guys, have a fantastic day
[16:55] <holstein> francis_: o/
[16:55] <holstein> francis_: nice track, BTW | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.178577 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-us-pa | [03:12] <jackson_> o/
[09:19] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:24] <rmg51> Morning
[17:14] <ChinnoDog> Afternoon.
[19:36] <lazyPower> \o | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.180217 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-news | [14:20] <diwic> hi,
[14:21] <diwic> I posted a comment on fridge.ubuntu.com that I should not have posted there.
[14:21] <diwic> It's currently awaiting moderation, I think. I was wondering if you could delete it.
[14:22] <diwic> It's a comment to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/01/06/community-donations-report-q2-2014/ | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.181109 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-gr | [07:26] <Tassos> Καλημέρα :)
[11:00] <Euaki> Νέα από ubuntusecurity: USN-2565-1: Linux kernel vulnerabilities <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2565-1/> || USN-2564-1: Linux kernel (Utopic HWE) vulnerabilities <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2564-1/>
[14:24] <Tassos> μαγκες έβαλα μια δεύτερη οθόνη στο pc
[14:25] <Tassos> αλλά είναι σε λίγα hz όπως βλέπω από το πρόγραμμα της md
[14:25] <Tassos> ( διότι μια amd γραφιών έχω )
[14:25] <Tassos> τι μπορώ να κάνω ;
[14:32] <harispc> πια εκδοση ubuntu εχιες?
[15:40] <Tassos> harispc: ubuntu 12.04
[15:40] <Tassos> συγνώμη τώρα το είδα
[15:40] <harispc> οκ
[15:40] <harispc> Πηγαινε στις Ρυθμίσεις Συστήματος
[15:40] <harispc> και επελεξε εκει που λεει Displays
[15:41] <Tassos> οκ ( στην "Εμανιση" στα ελληνικά )
[15:41] <Tassos> οκ
[15:42] <Tassos> εδω μπορώ να κάνω κάτι;
[15:45] <harispc> στο υλικο το λεει
[15:45] <harispc> Οθόνες το λέει
[15:47] <Tassos> α! οκ
[15:47] <Tassos> ναι στις οθόνες
[15:47] <Tassos> αλλά εκεί δε βλέπω κάτι για τα hz :/
[15:48] <harispc> Απο προεπιλογη, οι οθονες που συνδεονται στον υπολογιστη χρησιμοποιουν τα υψηλοτερα HZ που υποστηριζουν
[15:49] <harispc> Αν στην άλλη οθόνη τα πράγματα φαίνονται εντάξει, δεν υπάρχει ποβλημα
[15:49] <harispc> Αν ειναι LCD/LED τότε θα είναι 60HZ που ειναι το standard της καστηγοριας
[15:49] <Tassos> και όμως η δεύτερη οθόνη που έβαλα τώρα που είναι και tv μαζί
[15:50] <harispc> 60hZ θα ειναι λογικα
[15:50] <Tassos> δουλεύει στα 25mhz βλέπω ( ενώ μου δείχνει πως έχει μέγιστη επιλογή τα 75hz
[15:51] <Tassos> 25 hz
[15:51] <harispc> Τα Monitor/Monitor TV 60hz ειναι συνηθως.
[15:51] <harispc> 25hZ?
[15:51] <Tassos> αυτό το βλέπω από το πρόγραμμα της AMD
[15:51] <Tassos> ναι και με κουράζει που γράφω από εδώ
[15:51] <harispc> μe HDMI?
[15:51] <Tassos> ναι.. :/
[15:53] <harispc> Μισό λεπτό
[15:54] <Tassos> :/
[15:55] <harispc_> οκ τώρα
[15:55] <Tassos> φφ.. μήπως
[15:55] <Tassos> πρέπει να την βγάλω την μια εντελώς; :
[15:55] <Tassos> :/ μπας και ρυθμιστεί;
[15:55] <Tassos> αλλά δε νομίζω
[15:55] <harispc_> Tρέξε το εξής: xrandr -s 1280x1024 -r 60
[15:56] <harispc_> το 1280x1024 αλλαξε το με την αναλυση που θες
[15:56] <Tassos> και σε ποια από τις δύο οθόνες θα γίνει αυτό όμως;
[15:56] <Tassos> διότι η μία δε παίρνει τόση ανάλυση
[15:58] <harispc_> :/
[15:59] <Tassos> πως μπορώ μέσω terminal να δω τα χαρακτηριστικά και των δύο οθονών;
[16:00] <harispc_> Εισαι σε Desktop ή Laptop;
[16:01] <harispc_> xrandr ειναι η εντολη που ζητησες
[16:03] <Tassos> http://pastebin.com/yBFMvhLC
[16:03] <Tassos> σε desktop
[16:06] <harispc_> κάνε το εξής
[16:07] <harispc_> 1. Κάνε αποσύνδεση, και στην οθόνη συνεσης, εκεί που λέει το username σου πάτησε το σηματάκι του Ubuntu και επέλεξε Ubuntu 2D και οταν μπει κανε restart κανονικα
[16:08] <Tassos> ff για να δούμε
[16:19] <Tassos> Φίλε harispc_ σε ευχαριστώ πολύ για τον χρόνο σου
[16:19] <Tassos> αν και όταν πήγα να το κάνω είδα πως είχα ξεχάσαει να κάνω ένα restart
[16:20] <Tassos> διότι είχα έναν οδηγό της amd
[16:20] <harispc_> Πέτυχε?
[16:20] <Tassos> αλλά μου είχε και έναν ακόμη από κάτω και είπα δε βάζω και αυτόν να δω τι θα γίνει
[16:21] <harispc_> Και με αυτόν δούλεψε?
[16:21] <Tassos> ναι έτσι όταν έκανα το restart είπα για κάτσε να μην κάνω αυτό που μου είπες εσύ
[16:22] <Tassos> να δω πρώτα πάλι από το πρόγραμμα της amd μήπως με αφήνει τώρα να αλλάξω το 25
[16:22] <Tassos> και με άφησε ;) :D
[16:22] <harispc_> Αρα απλα δεν ειχες ενεργοποιησει τον driver :P
[16:22] <Tassos> το έκανα 60
[16:22] <harispc_> Πολύ ωραία! Καλή συνέχεια με το Ubuntu :D
[16:24] <Tassos> http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/m539a0dfa
[16:24] <Tassos> σε ευχαριστώ πάρα πολύ φίλε ;)
[16:24] <Tassos> :D
[16:24] <Tassos> το 2d έτσι δοκιμαστικά μου είπες να το πατήσω;
[16:27] <harispc_> Αν θες
[16:27] <harispc_> Ειναι το Unity χωρίς τα 3D Effects
[16:28] <Tassos> τώρα έχω 3d effects δηλαδή;
[16:29] <harispc_> Αν επιλεξεις το 2D δεν εχει effects, αν στην login βαλεις ξανα το ubuntu θα εχεις
[16:29] <harispc_> Απλα στο 2D δεν ζωρίζεται η γραφικών για να έχει 3D effects το unity (τα αλλα προγραμματα - ιστοσελιδεςθα συνεχισουν να εχουν
[16:30] <Tassos> α! γιατί βλέπω ένα βιντεάκι που το βάζει ένας και δε καταλαβαίνω τις διαφορές
[16:30] <harispc_> δοκιμασε το 2d
[16:31] <Tassos> γενικά πάντως να ξέρω πως είναι ας το πούμε για pc όχι και τόσο καλά και συγκεκριμένα για την γραφικών
[16:31] <Tassos> ;
[16:32] <harispc_> Το 2D ειναι καλυτερο για την καρτα γραφικων, καθως δεν την ζωρίζει
[16:32] <Tassos> σε ευχαριστώ και πάλι harispc_ για τον χρόνο σου πραγματικά φίλε! :)
[16:32] <harispc_> τπτ
[16:32] <Tassos> ναι κατάλαβα ;) ευχαριστώ
[16:33] <harispc_> οκ
[16:33] <harispc_> το 2d παντως δεν εχει σοβαρες διαφορες
[16:36] <Tassos> μάλιστα απλώς δεν επιβαρύνει και τόσο.. ναι από ότι είδα και εγώ στο βίντεο δεν είδα και τρελή διαφορά
[16:40] <harispc_> Ναι
[16:40] <harispc_> Αν μπορεις να εχεις το 2D
[20:03] <Euaki> Νέα από ubuntusecurity: USN-2566-1: dpkg vulnerability <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2566-1/> | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.194052 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-community-team | [07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <elfy> morning dholbach
[07:32] <dholbach> hey elfy
[11:04] * dholbach walks over to the office and grabs lunch along the way, bbiab
[11:05] <czajkowski> toodle pip
[14:43] <dpm> balloons, mhall119, do you happen to know which flavours are based on LTSs?
[14:46] <mhall119> all of them?
[14:46] <mhall119> not sure what you mean
[14:47] <balloons> dpm, which flavors only release LTS?
[14:47] <balloons> edubuntu, ubuntu studio, mythbuntu come to mind
[14:47] <mhall119> I think all of the official flavors follow the same release cycle
[14:47] <dpm> yeah, sorry I wasn't clear. So e.g. Kubuntu is released every 6 months, so it's not LTS-based
[14:47] <dpm> but IIRC edubuntu only releases every LTS
[14:48] <dpm> but I might be mistaken
[14:50] <mhall119> Edubuntu seems to recommend LTS releases, but I'm pretty sure they still have an actual release every 6 months
[14:51] <balloons> dpm, the three I listed I believe are the only lts-only. I'll check
[14:51] <dpm> thanks mhall119, balloons
[14:52] <dpm> yeah, looking at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/ it seems edubuntu started going LTS-only after 14.04
[14:53] <balloons> ok, so ubuntu studio does seem to release non-lts. So just edubuntu and mythbuntu then
[14:54] <dpm> thanks for checking balloons
[15:16] <mhall119> dpm: I wouldn't read too much into that, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/14.04/ is empty
[15:19] <elfy> balloons: could have saved you checking :p
[15:19] <balloons> elfy, lol
[15:20] <elfy> and welcome back ofc :)
[15:46] <jose> hey dpm, you think it'd be possible to get in touch with Dell? I'd like to get more info about where can we buy Ubuntu pre-loaded machines over here
[15:49] <czajkowski> I have visions of jose blog post from his last Dell interactions :)
[15:49] <czajkowski> I think it was jose
[15:49] <jose> lol, yes, it was me
[15:50] <jose> but things change, I'll give them another shot
[15:51] <popey> jose: contact barton george
[15:52] <popey> he's very approachable.
[15:52] <popey> lovely chap
[15:52] <jose> popey: gotcha. I think I still have his email somewhere from the first ubuntuonair session we ever had :D
[15:52] <jose> thank you!
[15:52] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/103249738935363775674/posts/cZ2b8WhnxUB
[15:52] <popey> leave a public comment on his G+ :)
[15:52] <jose> lol, will do then
[15:52] <popey> other people do :)
[17:23] * dholbach calls it a day
[17:23] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day!
[18:12] <balloons> mhall119, so I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1433370, and I see the current package does indeed have the proper json for the uitk autopilot helpers
[18:12] <balloons> if you look inside ubuntuuitoolkit.fjson.gz, you should find what you need
[18:15] <popey> aren't you on vacation balloons ?
[18:16] <popey> oh, you're back!?
[18:16] <popey> How was your vacation balloons ? :)
[18:22] <balloons> popey, yes today is the day of my return :-)
[18:22] <popey> Welcome back!
[18:36] <mhall119> balloons: what is the package name with those docs?
[18:45] <balloons> mhall119, ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot
[20:45] <mhall119> balloons: ok, got that one working now too
[20:45] <mhall119> just need ubuntu-html5-theme changes to land in vivid now and I'm all set | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.201220 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-hr | [04:02] <obruT> ja se pitam zas mi nesto sporo, na sto dovraga sad procesor trosi vrijeme, kad ono njemu dosadno pa se igra :P
[04:02] <obruT> 29823 root 1 59 0 22M 13M sleep 25.2H 0.41% pingpong
[04:52] <Vlado9A3CY> dobro jutro
[05:45] <BotaniCar> jutro
[06:00] <SilverSpace> jutro
[06:24] <SilverSpace> ha dropbox.com ne radi
[07:09] <BotaniCar> ne radi ni MSova stranica koja objasnjava sto je za njih OEM :)
[07:10] <BotaniCar> Vele mi da ja to ne mogu biti,lol
[07:25] <SilverSpace> frendu provalili u garazu i ukrali biciklo muski mtb, a zenski lošiji ostavili
[07:25] <SilverSpace> i lopovi biraju
[07:26] <SilverSpace> frend se uplasio da su mu ukrali auto
[07:26] <SilverSpace> neka balavurdija koja je pratila gdje biciklo stavlja
[07:32] <obruT> SilverSpace: to je jos dobro, nama su provalili u garazu u kojoj je bilo 4 bicikla, 3 snowboarda, skije, 4 auto gume, satori i jos hrpa pizdarija... nista nije ukradeno :)
[07:32] <obruT> to je za zabrinut :)
[07:32] <obruT> pretpostavljamo da su htjeli maznut auto (neki mercedes kabriolet) koji je u garazi tocno nasuprot nase
[07:38] <ivoks> dakle, RBA
[07:39] <ivoks> odem u banku prije tocno tjedan dana 'treba mi ova informacija'
[07:39] <ivoks> vele mi da posaljem upit preko internet bankarsta
[07:39] <ivoks> odem u petak, druga zena, opet dobijem isti odgovor
[07:39] <ivoks> ok, posaljem taj petak upit preko net bankinga
[07:39] <ivoks> nikakvog odgovora do jucer u skoro 17h
[07:39] <ivoks> a odgovor je:
[07:40] <ivoks> Poštovani,
[07:40] <ivoks> nastavno na Vaš upit zaprimljen putem internet bankarstva, obavještavamo Vas da ćemo Vas povratno kontaktirati u najkraćem mogućem roku.
[07:41] <BotaniCar> ivoks: i mi nekad tako abjuzamo SLA , dobiti ces odgovor unutar 24h, samo ce biti "hvala na pitanju, odgovoriti cemo cim prije" :)
[07:42] <Mmike> ivoks, a, kaj je informacija, ako nije tajna?
[07:42] <Mmike> BotaniCar, da, pornjavatori imaju SLA u kojem pise da ces dobiti odgovor unutar 15 minuta, i to od prave osobe s druge strane :)
[07:42] <Mmike> idem na muriju
[07:42] <ivoks> 'Promet po deviznom racunu koji saljete FINA-i; sadrzi li on i protuvrijednost u kunama ili to oni pretvaraju u kune?'
[07:43] <Mmike> nasli su lika koji mi je ukro mobitel
[07:43] <Mmike> tj, nasli su mobitel
[07:43] <Mmike> ivoks, lol
[07:43] <Mmike> ivoks, koji moroni, kuzis, boje se da ti ne daju krivu informaciju i onda te nasetavaju
[07:43] <Mmike> jos sam ja ispizd napravio prosli tjedan jer su mi dali krivu informaciju i napravili potencijalnu stetu
[07:43] <Mmike> nisu, srecom, al' mogli su
[07:44] <Mmike> odem
[08:04] <tonil> Mmike, priko IMEI-a?
[08:05] <tonil> da uvijek IMEI moram drzat zapisan negdje
[08:05] <tonil> previse morona around
[08:29] <SilverSpace> dropbox.com je nesto gadno usro
[08:29] <jelly> ooh, autor eCryptfs-a dodaje enkripciju u ext4
[08:36] <ivoks> tak da se zna
[08:36] <ivoks> samo
[08:36] <ivoks> da ne bi bilo
[08:36] <ivoks> jedan od onih koji su svo vrijeme bili uz generale...
[08:36] <ivoks> http://www.udruga-gavran.hr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3565%3Aumjetnici-koji-su-svo-vrijeme-bili-uz-generale&catid=101%3Azanimljivosti&Itemid=231
[08:43] <SilverSpace> Ante Ante :)
[08:46] <weshmashian> mornin'
[09:47] <jelly> BotaniCar: koji si ono ca-cert softver gledao
[10:41] <jelly> simpaticni slajdovi za systemd http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=874
[11:32] <BotaniCar> jelly: na kraju sam se zadrzao na kombinaciji dva, sec da vidim di su na webu
[11:35] <BotaniCar> keyStoreExplorer: keystore-explorer.sourceforge.net/ ; Keytool IUI: https://code.google.com/p/keytool-iui/
[11:35] <BotaniCar> blah, sory, fali mi http:// u prvom
[12:08] <jelly> pitam se spika li po domaci --- [horrovac] (~horrovac@atommuell.mum.jku.at) : Faruk Kujundcic
[12:10] <jelly> jedini Faruk kojeg sam znao do sad je bio lud, zbunjen, normalan
[12:18] <jelly> Subject: ★ EUROPSKE PRIJESTOLNICE ★ od -50% do -70% popusta
[12:18] <jelly> %$@#^ kak mozes imat negativni popust $#%@^
[12:18] <obruT> jelly: mozda ti njima jos platis
[12:19] <jelly> platim im... ulazak na privatnu blacklistu
[12:27] <SilverSpace> http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-os
[12:28] <SilverSpace> dan
[12:33] <SilverSpace> za ovo nisam ni znao http://www.sublimetext.com/
[12:49] <vileni> SilverSpace: za editor od 70$ ? :)
[12:49] <SilverSpace> dropbox ??
[12:49] <SilverSpace> vileni: zato vjerojatno nisam ni cuo za njega :)
[12:50] <jelly> sublime koristi dosta OSXovaca
[12:50] <vileni> osxovci imaju para za shiny things
[12:51] <jelly> nije samo lepi, ima fakat dobrih fičura
[12:52] <SilverSpace> jebiga oni najvise i heklaju po kodu za iOS
[12:52] <vileni> jelly: da se naslutiti da i dalje zelis jedan lijepi macbook :)
[12:52] <jelly> ne bas
[12:53] <jelly> naviko na trackpoint i layout tipkovnice sa thinkpada T60-T520
[12:53] <jelly> kad koristim meka, spojim svoju usb tipkovnicu
[12:54] <vileni> jelly: meni su super te tipkovnice, ali nemaju veze sa ostatkom svijeta bas
[12:54] <vileni> x1 mi se cini uskladjeniji
[12:54] <jelly> nah, 7 rows ftw
[12:55] <jelly> zadnji X1 nema Menu tipku, ima PrtSc na skroz krivom mjestu
[12:56] <vileni> moj hp isto nema menu
[12:57] <jelly> kaj da onda koristim za Compose, caps?
[12:57] <jelly> nije mi to neki djir
[12:57] <vileni> sto ti je taj Compose
[12:58] <jelly> Compose c , = ç
[12:58] <jelly> Compose < 3 = ♥
[12:58] <jelly> Compose ! ? = ‽
[12:58] <vileni> aha
[12:58] <vileni> (pravim se da ne vidim to prvi put)
[12:59] <jelly> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key
[13:00] <jelly> i onda možeš recimo H₂O ili ½ ure ili ☭
[13:01] <vileni> hah, pregenijalno
[13:01] <jelly> ☺
[13:01] <vileni> naravno, to postoji vjerojatno desetljecima a ja nisam znao to
[13:01] <jelly> postoji od DEC VT terminala, bilo je na unix radnim stanicama
[13:09] <SilverSpace> ,,
[13:09] <jelly> strgalo se…
[13:13] <infy-> `c
[13:13] <infy-> dead key radi na windowsima
[13:13] <infy-> ali ne na nixu :S
[13:13] <infy-> ś ć ź á é í ó ú :D
[13:15] <SilverSpace> jelly: i ti me najebes da idem stiskat tipe i sad si sjebo desktop nestale mi sve ikone
[13:15] <jelly> NO WARRANTY
[13:15] <SilverSpace> :)
[13:15] <vileni> with great power comes great responsibility
[13:15] <vileni> or iconless desktop
[13:19] <SilverSpace> zadnji atom kaj je nesto valjao AtomTM D525
[13:19] <jelly> baytrail ftw!
[13:19] * jelly hides
[13:24] <SilverSpace> fakat sam iznenaden sa amd i ati am1 procesorom
[13:25] * SilverSpace nije ljubibitelj amd_A
[13:25] <Vlado9A3CY> dobar dan :) ...
[13:26] <SilverSpace> svaki
[13:26] <Vlado9A3CY> SilverSpace, nesto si danas spominjao dropbox... ovdje kod mene sve radi okay, normalno sve
[13:26] <obruT> SilverSpace: joj, full me zanima koliko struje trosi cijela kanta... moram ti uvalit svoj wattmetar
[13:27] <SilverSpace> obruT: vis zaboravih kupit
[13:27] <SilverSpace> a bio u gradu
[13:27] <SilverSpace> Vlado9A3CY: kak kak
[13:27] <SilverSpace> ja ni na stranicu ne mogu
[13:28] <SilverSpace> Ta web-stranica nije dostupna
[13:28] <SilverSpace> koju kitu
[13:28] <Vlado9A3CY> hm... ja sam lokalno negdje prije podne kada si spomenuo dropbox, napravio jedan file i sada mi se normalno pojavio ovdje na drugom kompu kod kuce
[13:28] <Vlado9A3CY> sto ce reci, radi bez greske :)
[13:28] <Vlado9A3CY> zena me zove, moram u kuhinju... see you all later ;)
[13:29] <SilverSpace> :)
[13:29] <SilverSpace> DT
[13:29] <SilverSpace> ljudi jel vam radi DB
[13:30] <SilverSpace> Unable to connect
[13:31] <Mmike> SilverSpace: data base?
[13:31] <vileni> dropbox
[13:32] <SilverSpace> dropbox
[13:32] <vileni> meni radi preko weba
[13:32] <vileni> a mislim da i na kompu
[13:33] <SilverSpace> ni jedno ni drugo mi ne radi od jutros
[13:33] <SilverSpace> Unable to connect
[13:33] <SilverSpace> mi na web napise
[13:34] <SilverSpace> tj ne prikaze uopce db stranicu
[13:37] <SilverSpace> ping: unknown host
[13:39] <SilverSpace> ne i ne i router sam rebotal
[13:39] <SilverSpace> butal
[13:39] <SilverSpace> kaj vec
[14:01] <obruT> indometacin je zakon, nakrko se sad, noga ne da ne boli nego ko da ne postoji :)
[14:29] <SilverSpace> obruT: kaj sunke i jaj ha :)
[14:30] <SilverSpace> sve radi osim dropboxa
[14:30] <obruT> da bar... ne znam od cega je
[14:30] <SilverSpace> ne mogu ni sa weba
[14:30] <SilverSpace> obruT: proljece pa i on procvate
[14:39] <SilverSpace> jebo pa koja kita fakat ni ping ne ide ni sa jednog racunal a
[14:39] <SilverSpace> kaj su me otkantali
[14:41] <SilverSpace> 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, +5 errors, 100% packet loss
[14:48] <SilverSpace> http://www.tportal.hr/gadgeterija/tehnologija/376683/Kako-od-Raspberry-Pi-racunala-napraviti-prijenosnik.html
[14:52] <jelly> *tesko*
[14:53] <jelly> chromebook se sad moze naci za $150 u US
[14:53] <jelly> http://boingboing.net/2015/04/06/walmarts-150-chromebook-not.html
[15:38] <Mmike> SilverSpace, vpn ti mozda ne radi, progbaj ga restartat :D
[16:25] <jelly> https://youtu.be/m3lF2qEA2cw cudno
[16:25] <datase> YouTube: Creep - Vintage Postmodern Jukebox Radiohead Cover ft. Haley Reinhart - 0:04:56 - 429,678 views - 16700 likes / 213 dislikes
[16:28] <SilverSpace> Mmike: ?? ke
[16:28] <SilverSpace> :)
[16:29] <Hrki> kaj bandinju ipak vratili lovu? :D
[16:30] <SilverSpace> ee
[16:38] <SilverSpace> prema svim www adresama mogu ali na dropbox ne
[16:38] <SilverSpace> koju kitu
[16:43] <Mmike> SilverSpace, traceroute?
[16:47] <SilverSpace> Mmike: da i kaj kak
[16:47] <SilverSpace> 178.17.126.213 (178.17.126.213) 10.193 ms !N 10.125 ms !N 10.041 ms !N
[16:48] <SilverSpace> tu stane tj izbaci
[16:49] <Mmike> SilverSpace, jebomepasaj
[16:49] <SilverSpace> nemam kaj iz routera ode tu i stane
[16:53] <SilverSpace> izgleda da je do bt neta
[17:55] <Mmike> ivoks, te ima jos?
[17:56] <ivoks> a ono
[17:56] <ivoks> nazalost
[17:58] <ivoks> Mmike: kaj?
[17:58] <ivoks> nisam si ni pivo stigao popiti
[17:59] <Mmike> ivoks, ovo je leisure brija :)
[17:59] <Mmike> a to s pivom je sam tvoja greska
[17:59] <Mmike> sjednes, i pijes
[17:59] <Mmike> i onda tipkas :)
[18:06] <weshmashian> ili - sjednes i pijes *bez* laptopa :)
[18:25] <SilverSpace> pazi da ti se tipkvnica ne za pjeni :)
[18:45] <SilverSpace> zgodan nadojeb ja chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/open-seo-statsformerly-pa/hbdkkfheckcdppiaiabobmennhijkknn
[18:54] <SilverSpace> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aarjmXrSp0
[18:54] <datase> YouTube: Pa po lojtrici gor....wmv - 0:03:43 - 4,708 views - 16 likes / 0 dislikes
[18:54] <SilverSpace> lojtru za dropbox
[18:56] <jelly> mozda im je skatulja konacno pala
[18:57] <SilverSpace> jelly: sad sam doso do stranice kao amer preko Hola ali mi neda logirati se
[18:58] <SilverSpace> tracerute stane na ovoj adresi 178.17.126.213
[19:00] <SilverSpace> sve upucuje da BTnet blokira
[19:03] <jelly> traceroute ne mora znacit puno
[19:04] <jelly> probaj tcptraceroute, na port 80 ili 443 ak se pristupa preko weba
[19:07] <SilverSpace> isto tu pukne 178.17.126.213
[19:29] <vileni> Mmike: http://distractify.com/beth-buczynski/i-like-mine-with-a-little-moo/?ts_pid=2
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu | [00:00] <k1l_> please show the exact lines
[00:00] <ross_> sure
[00:02] <ross_> k1l_: http://pastebin.com/wJ1xar1Y
[00:03] <ikonia> someone else had this problem a week or so ago
[00:03] <ikonia> and it was because their local cache was not getting updated
[00:03] <k1l_> ross_: seems more like it cant reach 91.189.91.15
[00:03] <ross_> I can try the drastic one
[00:03] <ikonia> nah 91.189.91.15 is there and up, the Packages file isn't there
[00:04] <k1l_> i know this is a dns issue sometimes
[00:04] <ross_> it can reach it fine
[00:04] <ross_> curl shows me a nice 404
[00:04] <aiconnect> Hi all. new to this channel
[00:06] <k1l_> ross_: you are not behind a proxy or vpn?
[00:07] <Bashing-om> aiconnect: Welcome, Hang loose, learn a lot, this is ubuntu support .
[00:08] <ross_> k1l_ this is in ec2 no proxies/vpns
[00:08] <aiconnect> thanks :)
[00:08] <aiconnect> Joining to lean more about Linux
[00:08] <ross_> I can reproduce the 404 from home, and other clients. are you not seeing it?
[00:08] <ross_> thought ikonia saw a 404 as well
[00:09] <YvesLevier> aiconnect: Great - Start with a question?
[00:10] <aiconnect> No specific question yet, I am a CompSci student (IT Sec focus, and was always more Windows than Linux. But now I am learning more about Linux, so I thought this would be a good place to learn more.
[00:10] <k1l_> ross_: just running a vivid on here, but vivid-security is not set on security.ubuntu.com but on the same archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list
[00:11] <ross_> alright will try a archive
[00:11] <YvesLevier> aiconnect: Do you have a Linux installed yet?
[00:11] <aiconnect> Oh yeah, I have Ubuntu on a desktop and I have Kali on a VM on my windows Laptop
[00:11] <Bashing-om> aiconnect: Great store house of knowledge: http://ubuntuforums.org/ .
[00:12] <k1l_> ross_: the line is exactly: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid-security main restricted"
[00:13] <ross_> 404 as well
[00:15] <q_> aiconnect, you comfortable with the command line ?
[00:15] <aiconnect> Hmm..... 6/10
[00:15] <ross_> intersting the non-determinism
[00:17] <backbox> hi
[00:17] <q_> aiconnect, I think thats really the big thing to learn, really it's just a collection of tools you kind of have to memorize, I wouldn't worry about sed/awk or text manipulation just yet, but get a firm handle on the commands you'll need for security, there are some good security based distros out there as well that can help
[00:17] <aiconnect> I know command line basics, I know shell scripting, and I would say I am a little more than average with my command line knowledge but I want to learn a lot more.
[00:17] <backbox> comment pirater un compte facebook
[00:18] <q_> aiconnect, etherape is also a fun little tool, although I always read it as "ethe rape" :/
[00:19] <k1l_> ross_: well, i dont know a solution right now.
[00:20] <aiconnect> I know a bunch of tools to: Wireshark, John the Ripper, Snort, Nmap blah blah blah but I am far far far from great with Linux so the more I can learn here, the happier I will be :)
[00:20] <q_> aiconnect, also get your alias's setup asap, it makes using the command line 100% easier, if bash it's in ~/.bashrc
[00:20] <q_> aiconnect, oh cool youre on your way then :)
[00:21] <aiconnect> Yeah I am getting there, maybe one day I will be awesome with Linux, or at least non cringe worthy to the experts haha
[00:22] <crosse> hi
[00:22] <q_> aiconnect, hehe cool, well good luck, it takes a while but it's mostly fun - it definitely has a ceiling though, once your get solid with it, it's there for life
[00:23] <q_> aiconnect, it doesn't change a lot :)
[00:23] <q_> hi crosse
[00:23] <aiconnect> Hi Crosse
[00:23] <crosse> haw are you
[00:24] <YvesLevier> Linux people always feel fine. How can we help you today?
[00:25] <crosse> hi
[00:27] <ross_> ikonia: why are you such a dick?
[00:27] <pbx> crosse, if you have a question just dive in and ask!
[00:28] <crosse> ok ihave
[00:28] <crosse> how to install
[00:28] <crosse> how to install pcxsé in ubuntu 14.10
[00:30] <kostkon> !info pcsx
[00:30] <crosse> whay?
[00:31] <crosse> oh ...no
[00:31] <kostkon> !info pcsxr
[00:32] <crosse> pcsxr
[00:34] <crosse> thnxxxxxxx for all
[00:34] <kostkon> crosse, np
[00:38] <crosse> kostkon ????? where are you
[00:38] <kostkon> crosse, I'm here
[00:38] <crosse> help me
[00:39] <crosse> to install pcsxr
[00:39] <kostkon> crosse, either use the software centre or in the terminal, do: sudo apt-get install pcsxr
[00:40] <crosse> ok
[00:42] <Geo> Hi - my 12.04 ubuntu install is fully up to date (via apt), but when I type openssl version, the date shown is from 2012. Does this mean it is not patched against heartbleed? Or am I looking at the wrong version?
[00:43] <ikonia> Geo: no it doesn't
[00:43] <Geo> OpenSSL 1.0.1 14 Mar 2012
[00:43] <crosse> kostkon thnx
[00:43] <Geo> Where should I instead be looking?
[00:43] <ikonia> you're looking in the right place
[00:43] <kostkon> crosse, happy to have helped
[00:44] <crosse> from where you
[00:44] <Geo> ikonia, ok, i give up, how do I tell then? :)
[00:44] <ikonia> Geo: tell what ?
[00:44] <Ben64> Geo: apt-cache policy openssl
[00:44] <kostkon> crosse, this is an support only channel, we can't chit-chat here unfortunately
[00:44] <Geo> If I'm patched to the current version- that version says its from 2012, pre-heartbleed, but you said that doesnt mean it is not patched
[00:45] <ikonia> Geo: look at the ubuntu package version
[00:45] <ikonia> the fixes are back ported,
[00:45] <crosse> ok sorry
[00:45] <Geo> 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.25 - I'm used to seeing 1.0.1g , etc. How do I correlate that?
[00:46] <k1l_> Geo: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_1.0.1-4ubuntu5.25/changelog
[00:46] <ikonia> "used to seeing" ?
[00:46] <ikonia> you will see the version it is
[00:46] <ikonia> nothing more
[00:46] <Ben64> Geo: you can look at the changelogs, but that package is from March 19th, 2015 so its good
[00:47] <Geo> Ben64: just found https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/
[00:47] <Geo> so yes, thank you!
[00:47] <Guest77129> is there a way to make a command use all the processors. Like "makeopts -j5" in gentoo
[00:47] <ikonia> Guest77129: no
[00:47] <ikonia> they are build options, not run time
[00:47] <Guest77129> ok, fair enough
[00:47] <Guest77129> thanks
[00:47] <ikonia> processes will use multiple processes if they are smp aware
[00:48] <Ben64> depends on the command really, there are ways to parallelize certain things
[00:48] <Geo> is there a way to relate these ubuntu packages to the openssl stable releases? ie 1.0.1g, etc
[00:48] <ikonia> Geo: no
[00:48] <kostkon> Geo, openssl version -a check the build date
[00:48] <ikonia> Geo: they are not related to different versios
[00:48] <ikonia> they are related to the version they say they are in the packages/version
[00:49] <k1l_> Geo: you are trying to go the wrong path. you are frightened of CVEs? so look at http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ if the CVE is patched for your ubuntu version.
[00:49] <Geo> k1l_, nope- just trying to figure out what version I have
[00:50] <Geo> anyway, think i'm there now. thank you
[00:50] <ikonia> Geo: you have the version in the package list
[00:50] <ikonia> Geo: and in the openssl version option
[00:50] <vixterra> Changes I make in nvidia-settings dont persist across reboots, even when running nvidia-settings as root through gksudo. Is there some other issue with nvidia-settings in 14.10?
[00:50] <Geo> ikonia: as I said twice, openssl version shows a date from 2012
[00:50] <ikonia> Geo: correct
[00:50] <Geo> so that doesn't seem to be accurate
[00:50] <ikonia> Geo: and that is correct
[00:50] <ikonia> it is accurate
[00:50] <k1l_> Geo: itsa accurate. it just get patched
[00:51] <Ben64> OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014 \n built on: Thu Mar 19 15:12:02 UTC 2015
[00:51] <k1l_> Geo: ubuntu doesnt increase the version number but patch.
[00:51] <Ben64> because it has security fixes but its the same version
[00:51] <k1l_> Ben64: that is a 14.04?
[00:51] <Ben64> yep
[00:52] <k1l_> he is using the 12.04
[00:52] <Ben64> i know, but you can see two differing dates on mine too
[00:52] <kostkon> on 12.04: OpenSSL 1.0.1 14 Mar 2012 built on: Thu Mar 19 15:18:31 UTC 2015
[00:52] <k1l_> yes of course :)
[00:55] <Trfsrfr> Having issues burning 14.04 iso image to disc
[00:55] <Geo> ahhh.... ok, so maybe this is making more sense now on some other issues I'm having. Is there any reason some code might fail with 'ssl wrong version number' as a result of this 'old patched' version being used?
[00:55] <Geo> or is *all* the stuff backported?
[00:55] <Ben64> only security stuff
[00:56] <Geo> right- some python scripts using SSL/TLS (not sure which) fail
[00:56] <Trfsrfr> used brasero to write image to disk but it didn't become a boot disk.
[00:56] <Geo> Would upgrading <something> on the client machine help?
[00:57] <Ben64> Geo: upgrading to 14.04 maybe
[00:57] <Guest77129> I think get you ikonia, I was trying to wipe a drive with dd, and figured it could go faster with multiple threads, but prob would have bottlenecked at the USB anyway
[00:58] <phix> ok, I am still having issues with unity, some windows open but I cannot get them to the foreground
[00:58] <Geo> Ben64: so no suggested path while keeping it on 12.04?
[00:58] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | Trfsrfr (???)
[00:58] <Ben64> Geo: depends what the script actually needs
[00:59] <Trfsrfr> I tried to use md5sum but its not working
[01:00] <genii> define "not working"
[01:01] <Trfsrfr> I would go to the terminal to use it, but the terminal says things are in my directory that are not there when I open the window
[01:01] <Trfsrfr> I just did a restart
[01:01] <bindi> how can i figure out which ubuntu version i have on my usb stick? (installation usb)
[01:01] <Geo> poking at a few things, it looks like sslv3 isnt working/being offered. This may be starting to wander off topic, but I'll leave you alone if anyone can confirm or deny that there are issues or not with sslv3 on 12.04?
[01:01] <OerHeks> bindi, date of files say something
[01:02] <bindi> 21.8.2014 but still nfi :P
[01:02] <Trfsrfr> And I would try to change directory's but it would say directory not found
[01:02] <Trfsrfr> weird
[01:02] <bindi> ahha
[01:02] <bindi> found "info" file. 14.04
[01:04] <Trfsrfr> I tried copying and pasting the command from the ubuntu how page, but it would say no such file, or something to that effect
[01:04] <Trfsrfr> thats why I restarted
[01:04] <Geo> or maybe python was compiled against an old openssl version?
[01:04] <Ben64> Trfsrfr: sounds like you're typing things wrong
[01:06] <Trfsrfr> Ben64, I have the iso file in my download folder. what do I type to run md5sum?
[01:06] <Ben64> md5sum path/to/the.iso
[01:07] <OerHeks> Trfsrfr, it is all there, "First open a terminal and go to the correct directory to check a downloaded iso file: ubuntu@ubuntu-desktop:~$ cd Downloads" etc
[01:08] <Trfsrfr> its there in my download folder
[01:08] <ryanbekhen> hello
[01:09] <ryanbekhen> can i ask?
[01:09] <Trfsrfr> ryanbekhan just ask
[01:09] <ubuntuboy> hi all
[01:10] <ryanbekhen> how to chat from IP
[01:11] <Ben64> ryanbekhen: what do you mean? this is an ubuntu support channel, for other questions, you should find an appropriate place
[01:12] <OerHeks> ryanbekhen, do as you do now.
[01:12] <ubuntuboy> I have a quick question, does anyone know why I cant stream Time Warner live tv in Ubuntu 14.10?? First it want me to install silver light, but I ended up installing pipelight, as well as Wine,, now I get the message to update flash.. but I seems like im running the latest flash...
[01:12] <Trfsrfr> I ran md5sum and got this; 1b305d585b1918f297164add46784116 ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:13] <ZeloZelos> anybody have a dell dimension 3000...how's it running?
[01:14] <ZeloZelos> with ubuntu L)
[01:14] <OerHeks> ubuntuboy, silverlight/moonlight is trouble, try chome browser instead, also for netflix with that same DRM
[01:14] <ubuntuboy> Thanks Oerheks
[01:14] <Trfsrfr> So it's all good I see. How do I burn the image to dvd?
[01:15] <ZeloZelos> is edubuntu still being done?
[01:16] <Trfsrfr> ben64, So it's all good I see. How do I burn the image to dvd?
[01:17] <Ben64> Trfsrfr: use a burning software to write it as an image to a dvd
[01:17] <ZeloZelos> guess i will have to go through all the flavors to find out ;)
[01:17] <Bashing-om> ZeloZelos: Yup : http://www.edubuntu.org/download .
[01:17] <ZeloZelos> oh..thanks Bashing-om
[01:18] <ZeloZelos> i see that the current release may run slow...can i still switch to a different window, like xfce or gnome?
[01:20] <ZeloZelos> it may be useful; i have a dell dimension 3000, and it had xp, i will be letting a friends daughter have it, but it needs to be secured, since xp is out of whatchacallit, i think ubuntu is a good choice, but i dont want to give her a paper weight...suggestions?
[01:20] <OerHeks> current release may run slow? don't see that on the edubuntu page
[01:21] <Bashing-om> ZeloZelos: Well, one can .. but why not : http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ : or install ,imimal and install the desktop environment you choose ?
[01:21] <ZeloZelos> no on other searches
[01:23] <Bashing-om> ZeloZelos: Low spec hardware try : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu .
[01:23] <ZeloZelos> oh yea, i totally forgot about lubuntu
[01:23] <mybox1776> does anyone know the command to simply make a USB drive bootable from a .ISO I downloaded?
[01:23] <MadLamb> xclip is not working for me, i still have the same content after running it. Is there a way to fix or is there any other way to copy a command output?
[01:24] <ZeloZelos> kk grabbing edubuntu and lubuntu, one of those will work im sure
[01:24] <Bashing-om> mybox1776: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot .
[01:24] <mybox1776> Thanks!
[01:24] <ZeloZelos> thanks for the help Bashing-om ;)
[01:25] <Bashing-om> ZeloZelos: :) , glad to be of some slight assist.
[01:26] <wsitu> hello
[01:26] <ZeloZelos> maybe i should grab kubuntu too, kde may be a good one ;)
[01:27] <Bashing-om> MadLamb: Redirect the output to a file :; as in -> ls -al /boot > boot-file <- . Maybe work for ya .
[01:27] <Trfsrfr> ben64, i tried that once using brasero, it didn't become bootable.
[01:28] <Ben64> Trfsrfr: you can't burn it as a file though
[01:28] <spike> bonsoir :)
[01:32] <Trfsrfr> ben64, how do I erase whats was burned onto the dvd in terminal?
[01:32] <Ben64> Trfsrfr: is it a dvdrw or dvdr
[01:33] <phix> so why is Unity so buggy for?
[01:33] <Trfsrfr> Ben64, dvd+r
[01:33] <phix> and compiz, that guy is unstable
[01:33] <Ben64> Trfsrfr: then you can't erase it...
[01:33] <Trfsrfr> Okey dokey
[01:35] <Trfsrfr> Ben64, I just put in a new dvd+r and a dialogue box comes up saying Unable to mount, location is already mounted. It said this last time too.
[01:38] <Trfsrfr> I hit okay, now use cd/dvd creator? I tried this last time...
[01:40] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1069964
[01:40] <OerHeks> still valid in vidid too
[01:40] <OerHeks> just ignore that warning
[01:46] <skilroy> Hi
[01:57] <VergilPrime> Hey guys. I'm trying to set up keyfile authentication on my server. I have keys generated but there's no authorized_keys file or directory. I'm not sure how to generate or manually create the required file or directory.
[01:58] <Trfsrfr> Okay, I have just tried to burn an iso image to disk twice with brasero and now I have two disks that are not bootable. What am I doing wrong?
[01:58] <VergilPrime> Are the discs super old?
[01:58] <Trfsrfr> not really
[01:59] <VergilPrime> That was a problem for me. All my discs had gone crappy.
[01:59] <ianorlin> !md5sum | Trfsrfr
[01:59] <ianorlin> might be bad download
[01:59] <Trfsrfr> download is good, I checked with md5sum, and its good
[02:00] <VergilPrime> Is there somewhere better to ask about SSH stuff?
[02:00] <VergilPrime> :I
[02:03] <ryan_46> Trfsrfr Are you using windows to do it?
[02:03] <Bashing-om> Trfsrfr: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto .
[02:03] <Trfsrfr> ryan_46, no im using ubuntu
[02:04] <ryan_46> Trfsrfr OK
[02:04] <OerHeks> Trfsrfr, what happens if you try?
[02:05] <Trfsrfr> OerHeks, try what?
[02:06] <OerHeks> Trfsrfr, how about "try to boot the burned dvd" ? really ...
[02:06] <ryan_46> Trfsrfr What burning software? Are you sure you are not just copying the file instead of burning image?
[02:06] <OerHeks> ryan_46, he is been told severel times howto...
[02:06] <Trfsrfr> I used brasero and I burned an image
[02:07] <ryan_46> OerHeks ok
[02:07] <Trfsrfr> twice
[02:17] <guest223944> hey guys im trying to install wine 1.7 and i keep getting package conflicts with libstarpu-1.1-7 : Conflicts: libstarpu-contrib-1.1-7 but 1.1.3+dfsg-3build3 is to be installed
[02:19] <OerHeks> guest223944, how do you try to install wine?
[02:20] <OerHeks> 1.7
[02:20] <guest223944> apt-get install wine 1.7
[02:23] <guest223944> using the wine ppa
[02:23] <OerHeks> wine 1.7 isn't in the repos, even next vivid gives 1.6.2
[02:23] <guest223944> sorry
[02:23] <OerHeks> oh, contact the ppa owner
[02:23] <OerHeks> !ppa
[02:26] <jmfurlott> Anybody here using a bluetooth mouse? Any recommendations? One that works exceptionally well with ubuntu?
[02:26] <gr33n7007h> guest223944: have you got a space between wine and 1.7 or is that typo?
[02:26] <guest223944> thats the package name
[02:27] <Ben64> the package name is not "wine 1.7"
[02:27] <AloeVera> ping
[02:27] <gr33n7007h> so you've tried: sudo apt-get install wine1.7 ?
[02:27] <guest223944> yes it is
[02:27] <Ben64> it's really not
[02:27] <AloeVera> try apt search wine
[02:27] <bazhang> !info wine
[02:27] <AloeVera> find wine 1.7
[02:28] <guest223944> wine1.7 has no installation canidate
[02:28] <bazhang> the name is wine alone
[02:28] <guest223944> that will install 1.6
[02:28] <AloeVera> :0
[02:28] <gr33n7007h> guest223944: have you installed the ppa?
[02:28] <bazhang> correct
[02:28] <guest223944> yes
[02:28] <gr33n7007h> have you updated with: sudo apt-get update ?
[02:29] <OerHeks> he got an error installing, so the name should be correct
[02:29] <Ben64> guest223944: pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install wine1.7"
[02:29] <AloeVera> he said it has no installation candidate. I personally suggest he use "apt search" to find the package he is looking for
[02:30] <bazhang> AloeVera, it's apt-cache search package
[02:30] <AloeVera> not what I mean
[02:30] <AloeVera> literally just apt search
[02:31] <AloeVera> they do different thigs as i understand
[02:31] <gr33n7007h> AloeVera: apt search?
[02:31] <guest223944> http://sprunge.us/JJKj
[02:31] <bazhang> perhaps you are thinking of aptitude search
[02:31] <AloeVera> OMG
[02:31] <AloeVera> apt search
[02:31] <AloeVera> try it
[02:32] <ryclik> apt-cache search
[02:32] <AloeVera> noh
[02:32] <guest223944> ive tried doing clean and autoclean already
[02:32] <Ben64> guest223944: pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install wine1.7"
[02:32] <guest223944> i just did
[02:32] <Ben64> you didn't ping me, didn't see it
[02:32] <Ben64> and thats not what i said
[02:32] <OerHeks> guest223944, no, again that space in sine 1.7
[02:33] <Ben64> guest223944: pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install wine1.7"
[02:33] <gr33n7007h> guest you're putting a space in the package name should be wine1.7
[02:33] <OerHeks> sinw/wine
[02:33] <guest223944> look at my link
[02:33] <OerHeks> http://sprunge.us/JJKj ??
[02:33] <Ben64> read what i said to pastebin
[02:33] <AloeVera> I am guessing you added a repository to get wine1.7, being it isnt in the normal ppas. did you remember to update?
[02:33] <Ben64> then look at what you actually typed
[02:33] <guest223944> what
[02:34] <OerHeks> blame ubuntu :-P
[02:34] <guest223944> http://sprunge.us/JJKj
[02:34] <Ben64> "wine1.7" "wine 1.7"
[02:34] <Ben64> are you really not seeing a difference
[02:34] <guest223944> dude seriously
[02:34] <AloeVera> why bother using wine, why not use mono
[02:34] <Ben64> yes, seriously
[02:34] <guest223944> its sudo apt-get install wine 1.7
[02:34] <Ben64> it is not!
[02:34] <guest223944> holy eri[ofje9rjt
[02:34] <Ben64> just do it
[02:35] <AloeVera> I think we are being trolled
[02:35] <guest223944> i did already
[02:35] <Ben64> you did not
[02:35] <ryclik> AloeVera: yes
[02:35] <AloeVera> lololol
[02:35] <OerHeks> guest223944, please go to softwarecenter, and select wine there
[02:35] <Ben64> you keep doing a space, do it without the space
[02:35] <AloeVera> rm -rf
[02:35] <AloeVera> rm -rf /
[02:35] <Ben64> AloeVera: not helpful
[02:35] <guest223944> wine1.7 has no installation candidate
[02:35] <Ben64> !danger
[02:35] <CountryfiedLinux> Howdy.
[02:35] <AloeVera> howdy
[02:35] <OerHeks> AloeVera, you could get banned for that.
[02:35] <Ben64> guest223944: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install wine1.7"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[02:35] <AloeVera> :0
[02:35] <ryclik> lol @ubotty
[02:35] <CountryfiedLinux> Can somneone give me a list of desktops that don't have the screen tearing issue?
[02:35] <bazhang> AloeVera, dont do that ever
[02:36] <guest223944> Ben64, I HAVE DONE THAT ALREADY
[02:36] <OerHeks> CountryfiedLinux, sounds like a hardware issue, not distro issue
[02:36] <Ben64> guest223944: you really haven't
[02:36] <guest223944> http://sprunge.us/JJKj
[02:36] <guest223944> http://sprunge.us/JJKj
[02:36] <guest223944> http://sprunge.us/JJKj
[02:36] <Ben64> that has a space
[02:36] <Ben64> STOP WITH THE SPACE
[02:36] <AloeVera> CountryfiedLinux: try kwin. sounds like a WM issue
[02:36] <guest223944> ^^^^
[02:36] <CountryfiedLinux> It can't be a hardware issue because it doesn't happen in Windows.
[02:37] <guest223944> SUDO APT-GET INSTALL WINE1.7 HAS NO INSTALLATION CANDIDATE
[02:37] <Ben64> guest223944: pastebin it
[02:37] <AloeVera> CountryfiedLinux: change your compositing settings
[02:37] <guest223944> E: Package 'wine1.7' has no installation candidate
[02:37] <Ben64> guest223944: pastebin it
[02:37] <[n0mad]> wouldn't that mean no repository added?
[02:37] <[n0mad]> why can't you just use the web site? https://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu
[02:37] <Ben64> [n0mad]: possibly, yes
[02:38] <Ben64> [n0mad]: because that just says to add the ppa and install wine1.7
[02:38] <[n0mad]> it has pretty great instructions with pictures even
[02:38] <[n0mad]> it has the command line too
[02:38] <[n0mad]> it says just what you're telling him
[02:38] <[n0mad]> :)
[02:38] <Ben64> yep
[02:39] <Ben64> [n0mad]: trying to get past this first step still...
[02:39] <guest223944> im using the ppa from wine
[02:39] <Ben64> guest223944: pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install wine1.7"
[02:39] <AloeVera> did you update after adding the ppa?
[02:39] <guest223944> why
[02:39] <AloeVera> you need to sudo apt-get update
[02:39] <guest223944> ben64 your seriously not helping
[02:39] <Ben64> guest223944: help me help you
[02:39] <petrvs> help me
[02:39] <petrvs> help you
[02:40] <guest223944> i have gave you the output 5 different times now
[02:40] <Ben64> you gotta do things that will help, otherwise it won't help
[02:40] <OerHeks> guest223944, you are giving the same url over and over again, with the space in the name.
[02:40] <Ben64> guest223944: wine1.7
[02:40] <Ben64> no space
[02:40] <OerHeks> guest223944, Ben64 is trying to help, and wants the correct output.
[02:40] <SirMoo> Firefox updated... and is now broken. :( Won't launch. Might someone be able to give me an idea of what to do? Few bug reports look similar... but don't really give me a solution. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10778815/
[02:41] <AloeVera> Ben64 his issue doesnt seem to be the space, as his package manager understands what he is looking for, his issue is that the package has no installation candidate
[02:41] <Ben64> AloeVera: i need the full command and error in a pastebin though
[02:42] <guest223944> why do i need to waste time pastebining that when it just says wine1.7 has no installation candidate
[02:42] <guest223944> seriously.....
[02:42] <Ben64> because without following this first basic step, you'll never get anything done
[02:42] <Ben64> you're spending way too much time fighting
[02:42] <SirMoo> Paste's are the key to happiness...
[02:43] <OerHeks> guest223944, if you did it correct, then there is a PPA problem we cant solve, contact the maintainer
[02:44] <AloeVera> guest223944 try to install wine1.7-dev it should pull in the normal wine1.7 as a dependancy
[02:44] <[n0mad]> SirMoo, i'm pretty much new but i think you can try firefox -safemode and it will give an option to enter safe mode or reset based on some mozilla forum, could maybe try that
[02:44] <AloeVera> if not that then try to install either wine1.7-amd64 or wine1.7-i386 depending on 64 bit or 32 bit
[02:45] <OerHeks> or just go to softwarecenter > wine
[02:45] <[n0mad]> if you don't want to reset your firefox, you may want smarter help than i can give :)
[02:45] <gr33n7007h> guest223944: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine1.7 #
[02:45] <SirMoo> [n0mad]: Seems to be the same result. :(
[02:46] <Ben64> SirMoo: make sure firefox is not running, then rename ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla-foo or something, then start firefox again
[02:48] <Trfsrfr> I give up. I'm going to my windows machine to put 14.04 on a disk.
[02:48] <AloeVera> I recently modified my XFCE install to use KWIN as the window manager. this is awesome :)
[02:48] <AloeVera> Trfsrfr what is the issue?
[02:49] <SirMoo> Ben64: No change.
[02:50] <Ben64> SirMoo: :(
[02:50] <Trfsrfr> AloeVera, I've tried twice now to burn the 14.04 iso image to a disk with brasero, both times it did not become a bootable disk
[02:50] <Christian_Death> where am i?
[02:50] <Ben64> Christian_Death: #ubuntu, the Ubuntu support channel
[02:50] <Christian_Death> god
[02:50] <AloeVera> Trfsrfr what heppens when you try to boot it
[02:50] <Bashing-om> Trfsrfr: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto ; http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/burn-a-dvd-on-windows .
[02:50] <Christian_Death> i dont use ubuntu
[02:50] <Christian_Death> D:
[02:51] <Christian_Death> i am a microsoft heretic
[02:51] <AloeVera> :0
[02:51] <Trfsrfr> AloeVera, it boots into my 13. 04 Os
[02:51] <Ben64> Trfsrfr: are you sure you're not burning the file to the disc?
[02:51] <Trfsrfr> Ben64, yes, I've done it twice now.
[02:51] <Trfsrfr> Wait up, let me try something...
[02:51] <AloeVera> Trfsrfr try redownloading the iso, or try a different burner like xfburn or k3b
[02:53] <Trfsrfr> AloeVera, I tried installing k3b, and other programs, but since my 13.04 is EOL, I cannot install them. Gimme a sec, I'm gonna pop one of the 2 disks ive burned into my windows machine and see what happens
[02:53] <SirMoo> Oh. Minor success telling synaptic to reinstall...
[02:53] <Ben64> SirMoo: minor?
[02:53] <SirMoo> Well, it started... Printing out similar errors.
[02:53] <ryan_46> Min
[02:54] <AloeVera> rekt
[02:54] <Ben64> SirMoo: synaptic printed errors or the newly installed firefox
[02:54] <SirMoo> Ben64: Newly installed. Starting from the terminal came up with similar errors to my paste, just not seg fault.
[02:55] <Ben64> SirMoo: thats really strange, have you rebooted since
[02:56] <Trfsrfr> AloeVera, Ben64, when I put the burned disk into my windows machine the autoplay install ubuntu or open to view files dialog box comes up. Been awhile since I used that machine
[02:57] <Ben64> Trfsrfr: sounds like it burned properly then
[02:57] <SirMoo> Ben64: Yes. Just telling synaptic to 'reinstall' seems to have solved it. I'm going to chaulk it up to the update installing wrong. It's giving me the (process:6688): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' faile error... But that's better than segfault since it's running. :P
[02:57] <Trfsrfr> Ben64, right. But why when I put it in my 13.04 machine it doesn't boot?
[02:57] <OerHeks> Trfsrfr, sure your current 13.04 machine is 64 bit capable ?
[02:58] <Trfsrfr> OerHerks, I think so...pretty sure. Been running 64 bit for over a year now...
[02:58] <gr33n7007h> Trfsrfr: have you made cdrom boot first from bios?
[02:59] <Trfsrfr> Now that is a good question...
[03:00] <gr33n7007h> Trfsrfr: wouldn't harm to check just to make sure
[03:00] <Trfsrfr> I'm gonna restart. I'll be back in a few
[03:03] <dima666> whats up my niggaz
[03:03] <dima666> whats cracking
[03:03] <dima666> 613256
[03:03] <dima666> just remember that number
[03:03] <petrvs> will do
[03:04] <[n0mad]> what's the number again?
[03:04] <OerHeks> !language | dima666 such insults are not welkcome,
[03:05] <petrvs> [n0mad]: 42?
[03:05] <dima666> 42 strategies of war
[03:07] <AloeVera> w0t
[03:15] <shafox> While my windows laptop is getting better (better is 3 bars )wifi signal my ubuntu 14.04 is getting very less (less is 1 signal) signal. accessing the same wifi connection from same place (distance to the router is same)
[03:15] <elky> dima666: please go elsewhere with that nonsense
[03:15] <shafox> What would i do to make the ubuntu get more signal so that the internet is fast
[03:17] <OerHeks> shafox, led lights do not say how good your connection is, test it with speedtest.
[03:17] <OerHeks> and compare with windows
[03:17] <elky> shafox: are they actually different? have you checked with speedtest.net or similar?
[03:17] <shafox> OerHeks: Not talking about led lights but rather the wifi icon that shows up while connected to the wifi.
[03:18] <shafox> elky: I have not tested with speedtest.net but it feels fast in windows. the response is instant in windows but in ubuntu it takes several seconds
[03:18] <petrvs> shafox: connect it to a wire?
[03:18] <petrvs> :)
[03:19] <jason__> I actually experienced something similar.
[03:19] <shafox> petrvs: that is the last solution. in the mean time i would like to try any other options that might have.
[03:19] <jason__> I switched from windows to Ubuntu and my wireless was behaving really poorly, then I moved my router closer and everything was solved.
[03:20] <shafox> jason__: that i am considering. and yes if i move close to router or vice cersa the signal strength increses and the browsing is fast
[03:20] <OerHeks> moving the antenna position can do some good to
[03:20] <elky> shafox: is it dual boot or is it a different network card?
[03:20] <shafox> elky: different machine.
[03:20] <OerHeks> still want to see speedtest comparison
[03:20] <petrvs> better router
[03:21] <petrvs> different channel
[03:21] <petrvs> cantenna
[03:21] <OerHeks> oh, different machine ..
[03:21] <petrvs> lasers
[03:21] <[n0mad]> drivers
[03:21] <elky> shafox: that's probably why. for all i know one might be a and one might be n
[03:21] <shafox> OerHeks: will run it in a sec
[03:22] <shafox> ubuntu has this Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Ralink RT3290LE 802.11bgn 1x1 Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.0 Combo Adapter
[03:22] <shafox> windows machine is off now.
[03:29] <random313495> Does Ubuntu have a mechanism to go back one distribution like the upposite of apt-get dist-pugrade?
[03:29] <petrvs> random313495: I believe not, but I'm sure you could do it if you reaaalllllyyyy wanted
[03:29] <petrvs> although just having a backup/snapshot would make it dead simple
[03:30] <petrvs> in the end it's just data, you copy it around, and land somewhere
[03:30] <petrvs> that somewhere can be an older version if you put forth enough effort/planning
[03:30] <petrvs> downgrading in general, though, is a silly thing
[03:30] <OerHeks> random313495, no, there is no downgrade
[03:30] <petrvs> "keep moving forward" and all that
[03:31] <random313495> okay, fresh install it is then
[03:31] <[n0mad]> shafox https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1049466
[03:31] <petrvs> random313495: why's that?
[03:32] <random313495> Near as I can tell, 14.10 isn't compatible with my graphics card.
[03:33] <Ben64> random313495: which card
[03:33] <random313495> It's an msi card with an nvidia 750ti. It works fine with 14.04, but but 14.10.
[03:34] <calcmandan> testing owncloud on ubuntu server 14.10 on a vm. Installed stock apache2 and moved the owncloud folder to /var/www. followed installation instructions on owncloud's site. I get the login screen and begin creating the admin account, but it says it can't write to /var/www/data. looked at a few forum posts but they seem to have to do with data dirs being placed on other drives/mounts.
[03:34] <shafox> [n0mad]: what should i do ?
[03:34] <Ben64> random313495: should work on 14.10, just need the xorg-edgers ppa or something
[03:38] <shafox> [n0mad]: and i am on 14.04 btw.
[03:39] <random313495> ben64: I dount it. I've tried every driver I can find and this card just plain won't work under 14010. It's a quirky one.
[03:39] <kWO901> I want to crack the handshake but can't afford to keep my pc woring at 100% cpu capacity for days. any suggestion?
[03:39] <kWO901> does anyknow now where i could get a free VPS or something where i could run a bruteforce? as my pc is too weak
[03:39] <[n0mad]> shafox, many in that thread are on 14.04. if you mouse over the listing for ubuntu at the top it shows just uploaded upstream like 2 weeks ago
[03:39] <Ben64> random313495: you have to add the ppa
[03:40] <[n0mad]> i'm still trying to see what the patch is everyone is referring to on there. i've never read launchpad before
[03:40] <explodes> Hey everyone! I'm setting up Samba right now and it's working great, I have the standard "share" directory w/ authentication. I also want to share a folder on a different drive. it is owned by evan:evan at /media/media/Music and when I view it from a Mac, the folder appears empty. I assume it's permissions?
[03:42] <OerHeks> kWO901, wrong channel, this is ubuntu support only..
[03:43] <calcmandan> nevermind figured it out.
[03:43] <calcmandan> woot.
[03:44] <random313495> ben64, it isn't just a driver issue. I cant even get a recovery console working under 14.10. 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 10.04, 12.04, 12.10, and 14.04 all work well enough to get an X desktop. 14.10 doesn't work installed on HDD of from a LiveUSB. It isn't a bad download. 14.10 is just plainbroken.
[03:44] <[n0mad]> shafox, posts #177 and 178 appear to be the patch people are talking about for 14.04
[03:45] <Ben64> random313495: well i'd suggest sticking with 14.04 until 16.04 anyway
[03:45] <kris_> ok hey i just upload this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyqt9Fqn_6M to show u how my computer atcs on its own, its hard to explain and making a vid was the only kind of thing i could come up with
[03:46] <random313495> Ben64: I agree completely, just for different reasons.
[03:46] <random313495> Anyway, off to do a reinstall. Good night.
[03:46] <cfhowlett> kris_, please stop cross posting in different channels.
[03:47] <explodes> yea kris_ what gives
[03:47] <DatCholby> i just rm'd my hard drive
[03:47] <DatCholby> help what do
[03:47] <kris_> i use xubuntu but i posted the same one here UBUNTU, cause its basaclisly the same not?
[03:47] <DatCholby> its gone
[03:47] <petrvs> DatCholby: what'd you do exactly?
[03:47] <DatCholby> everything
[03:48] <phillips1012> did anyone just get visual artifacts lasting 3 seconds with firefox
[03:48] <phillips1012> 3 people I know just got it
[03:48] <petrvs> DatCholby: what'd you run?
[03:48] <petrvs> phillips1012: wasn't using firefox just then
[03:48] <DatCholby> rm / -rf
[03:48] <petrvs> DatCholby: no you didn't
[03:48] <petrvs> DatCholby: go joke elsewhere
[03:48] <phillips1012> it's as if the timestamp just bugged out and firefox noticed
[03:49] <cfhowlett> DatCholby, posting malicious command will get you swatted ... bbye
[03:49] <petrvs> forgot what cholby meant for a moment
[03:49] <petrvs> phillips1012: the wha?
[03:50] <petrvs> it's so easy to upgrade that joke, and yet they don't
[03:52] <jmaradin> hfm.
[03:55] <petrvs> jmaradin: I know how you feel, man
[04:04] <jmaradin> so I have a weird situation, but what it boils down to is that I am trying to login a ubuntu server installation that I have installed what I believe to be gnome-desktop-environment on. When I try to launch the default gnome instance from lightdm, I am returned a blackscreen.
[04:05] <jmaradin> the Mate and fallback gnome interfaces will however work.
[04:07] <petrvs> jmaradin: grep EE $(/var/log/Xorg*log | tail -1) | pastebinit
[04:10] <jmaradin> petrvs: looks like I am getting a permission denied on that commmand
[04:11] <gr33n7007h> jmaradin: grep EE /var/log/Xorg*log | tail -1 | pastebinit
[04:11] <petrvs> does dash not do $()?
[04:12] <petrvs> jmaradin: oh, ha
[04:12] <petrvs> jmaradin: should've been $(ls /var/...
[04:12] <petrvs> whoopsies
[04:13] <jmaradin> http://pastebin.com/F8Lm2mvP
[04:13] <jmaradin> ok that worked.
[04:14] <petrvs> cute prompt
[04:14] <petrvs> or is that pastebinit magic? Don't know it =)
[04:15] <kris_> vid just added https://youtu.be/apQkQcDpMkM
[04:15] <petrvs> jmaradin: you have gnome-session? (which gnome-session)?
[04:15] <jmaradin> Oh its my prompt.
[04:15] <petrvs> kris_: neato
[04:15] <jmaradin> part of zsh
[04:16] <jmaradin> 3.14 looks like.
[04:16] <petrvs> jmaradin: I think I'd, um
[04:16] <petrvs> jmaradin: make a new user to rule out some kind of home dir cache/config nonsense
[04:16] <jmaradin> I can try that.
[04:17] <gr33n7007h> kris_: maybe ask in #debian
[04:17] <jmaradin> it really is something weird for sure.
[04:17] <petrvs> that seems to come up a lot in here, IME
[04:17] <petrvs> ends up being ~/.cache or ~/.local
[04:17] <jmaradin> Also, I am not really running that session on that machinel..
[04:17] <petrvs> but you can just try with a spanking new user to find out quick if that'll be the issue
[04:17] <jmaradin> I am loading it over xdmcp to a windows box running Xming.
[04:17] <petrvs> hrmmm, oh
[04:18] <petrvs> yeah, hard to say
[04:18] <petrvs> it wouldn't surprise me if GNOME 3's accelerated window manager and other things
[04:18] <petrvs> if enabled
[04:18] <petrvs> would choke on that
[04:18] <jmaradin> Its very very possible.
[04:18] <petrvs> if you have another wm, you could tell it to use that (with gnome) and rule that out
[04:19] <jmaradin> Oh Mate worked..
[04:19] <jmaradin> but...
[04:19] <petrvs> or possibly just figure out how to disable accelerated/effects, if possible, I don't use GNOME =)
[04:19] <jmaradin> No Hidpi settings.
[04:19] <petrvs> I doubt you need a GUI for hidpi settings, how often would you change that, once?
[04:20] <jmaradin> well mate worked, but everything was too small
[04:20] <jmaradin> I have 3 4k monitors in portrait resolution
[04:20] <jmaradin> gnome's hidpi stuff works, but only if I am using it.
[04:21] <jmaradin> I have ran linux directly on this machine before and it works quite well. I just normally am booted into windows on this machine as it also has some of my school software I need in windows on it.
[04:21] <petrvs> gebus, you rich devil :p
[04:22] <jmaradin> I have a linux "server", really just a laptop that I don't use right now.
[04:22] <petrvs> I'm sure you can get the dpi stuff working fine regardless, but I've no experience with that
[04:22] <jmaradin> Honestly, not so much. They were 475 on sale each.
[04:22] * petrvs tries to remember the last time he had a spare $475 :p
[04:22] <jmaradin> for nice 27 inch ips lcd's
[04:23] <jmaradin> yah I know what you mean petrvs. My software dev internships paid well though :)
[04:23] <jmaradin> yah and same thing happened with another user.
[04:24] <trfsrfr> To Ben64, AloeVera, and all the others especially the person with the long number name, thank you for all your help tonight. It took me changing the boot order in BIOS to get things going. I am now running 14.04, and so far all is good. Thank you all, and I love Ubuntu!
[04:24] <jmaradin> meh, Ill just do what I normally do. Putty plus sshfs ;)
[04:25] <petrvs> mmm, sshfs
[04:25] <petrvs> what's putty for?
[04:25] <petrvs> in your use case
[04:26] <jmaradin> mostly so I can use vim
[04:26] <jmaradin> and compile, run stuff on the linux machine where I do all my dev work on.
[04:26] <petrvs> oh, stuck in insane OS land? :)
[04:26] <trfsrfr> Whoops, major typo. Thanks to Ben64, AloeVera, and person with the long number name, all good now!
[04:26] <jmaradin> yeah unfortunately with my desktop I am.,
[04:27] <jmaradin> my work laptop is running ubuntu fully now.
[04:27] <petrvs> know how you feel, sometimes
[04:27] <jmaradin> which makes me really happy.
[04:27] <jmaradin> I actually like keeping a windows machine around for gaming, as not all of my games are linux compatible yet anyhow.
[04:28] <petrvs> I don't game, I'm old and mean :)
[04:28] <petrvs> I play life
[04:28] <jmaradin> plus my keyboard does not like linux for some reason
[04:28] <petrvs> sure it does
[04:28] <jmaradin> its a corsair k70 rgb
[04:29] <[n0mad]> my wallpaper says "life is a game"
[04:29] <jmaradin> Life is definitely a game.
[04:29] <petrvs> looks colorful
[04:29] <petrvs> [n0mad]: link?
[04:29] <petrvs> looks like an ordinary 108 key otherwise
[04:30] <jmaradin> wall paper on my laptop == http://wall.alphacoders.com/big.php?i=82484
[04:30] <petrvs> :p
[04:31] <petrvs> I find wallpapers distracting, but
[04:31] <jmaradin> I like minimalist wallpapers for the most part
[04:31] <petrvs> I do want to make a script that loads a different wikipedia commons picture of the year candidate every day
[04:31] <petrvs> 'cause some of those are amazing, and not too distracting usually
[04:31] <[n0mad]> it's this one http://wallpaperforcomputer.net/60583-life-is-a-game-wallpaper.html
[04:31] <petrvs> particularly the nature ones
[04:31] <trfsrfr> How do I bring all of my saved internet favorites into 14.04?
[04:32] <petrvs> trfsrfr: from IE?
[04:32] <trfsrfr> petrvs, no from 13.04
[04:32] <petrvs> trfsrfr: you do a clean install or what?
[04:33] <petrvs> "clean"
[04:33] <trfsrfr> petrvs, no I upgraded
[04:33] <petrvs> trfsrfr: they're not there already?
[04:33] <trfsrfr> nope
[04:33] <petrvs> trfsrfr: what browser?
[04:33] <trfsrfr> firefox
[04:34] <petrvs> trfsrfr: du -hs ~/.mozilla/firefox/* | sort -h
[04:34] <petrvs> if you have two profile dirs, the larger is likely your older one
[04:34] <trfsrfr> Cool, gimme a min or two
[04:35] <petrvs> the short way is to close firefox, then mv -n newprofile elsewhere; mv -n oldprofile newprofile
[04:35] <petrvs> but you can also run firefox -ProfileManager
[04:36] <petrvs> and point and click for ages
[04:36] <trfsrfr> petrvs, I am not so savvy. before I upgraded I saved them to an external HD.
[04:37] <trfsrfr> its a json file
[04:37] <petrvs> trfsrfr: that's pretty savvy
[04:37] <trfsrfr> petrvs, lol, thanks but I really dont know what im doing
[04:38] <petrvs> I usually open firefox and open bookmarks, and export to an html file if I thought of it ahead of time
[04:38] <petrvs> otherwise I just copy over the profile dir
[04:38] <[n0mad]> i'm not a firefox user really but they don't have like chrome where all your bookmarks stay with your firefox user?
[04:38] <trfsrfr> and that is the savvy that I am not
[04:38] <petrvs> [n0mad]: yup, in the profile dir
[04:39] <petrvs> unless you mean some chrome awfulness where all your personal data is on google servers :p
[04:39] <petrvs> f that
[04:39] <petrvs> trfsrfr: you only have .json files and not the whole profile, then?
[04:39] <trfsrfr> Its just a json file on an external HD that I dont know how to get into my new firefox
[04:40] <petrvs> trfsrfr: named what?
[04:40] <[n0mad]> haha, yeah, like that...i figured firefox had that same ability so you can sync firefox between systems/mobile/etc
[04:40] <petrvs> oh, yeah
[04:40] <trfsrfr> internet bookmarks-201504-08.json
[04:40] <petrvs> firefox sync
[04:40] <six_> How do i connect to WPA with Ubuntu on a DLink DWL-520+
[04:40] <petrvs> it's opt-in
[04:40] <petrvs> less awful things are opt-in
[04:40] <petrvs> trfsrfr: eh, did you rename that?
[04:41] <trfsrfr> yes
[04:41] <petrvs> trfsrfr: what's 'file' say it is?
[04:42] <trfsrfr> petrvs, you mean "file" in the unity bar?
[04:42] <petrvs> trfsrfr: no, from a terminal, 'file path/to/foo.json'
[04:42] <trfsrfr> you lost me
[04:43] <petrvs> trfsrfr: know how to open a terminal?
[04:43] <trfsrfr> yes
[04:43] <petrvs> trfsrfr: nevermind, we'll just assume it's the right thing
[04:43] <trfsrfr> petrvs, okay, lol
[04:43] <trfsrfr> now what?
[04:44] <petrvs> trfsrfr: open firefox, CTRL+SHIFT+o, Import and Backup, Restore
[04:44] <jmaradin> Ok, so it appears that the issue for me is that when I tried installing the gnome-desktop stuff on the ubuntu-server 14.04 install. I configured my actual work laptop to accept xdmcp connections and my normal stuff shows up on the desktop. Quite nicely too.
[04:45] <jmaradin> but when I copy those config files over to the "server" it does not work. Very weird.
[04:45] <petrvs> trfsrfr: next time I'd backup the whole profile dir, it's not that much data
[04:45] <petrvs> in fact the cost of storage these days, just backup all of /home/
[04:45] <trfsrfr> petrvs, you friggin rock! Thank you!
[04:45] <jmaradin> Oh well, I'm sure ill be reinstalling that server at some point. Ill make sure to install my DE at load time.
[04:45] <petrvs> trfsrfr: =)
[04:47] <trfsrfr> I wish I was as super cool as most of the peeps here. I already backed up everything prior to the upgrade, just needed the bookmarks.
[04:47] <petrvs> ah, gj
[04:47] <petrvs> super cool = thousands of lifetimes wasted
[04:47] <trfsrfr> LOl, yes indeed. Well said.
[04:56] <linocisco> i want to setup ubuntu webserver on virtualbox using dynamic dns. what do I do?
[04:57] <aeon-ltd> a lot of routing
[04:57] <petrvs> well, some routing
[04:58] <petrvs> set it up, then talk to #vbox
[04:58] <petrvs> it's not that bad, really
[04:58] <histo> linocisco: install it then install ddclient
[04:58] <linocisco> histo, that part is done
[04:59] <histo> linocisco: okay then install webserver of your choice. apache nginx whatever
[05:00] <linocisco> histo, then how to publish web and how can public access my webserver on vbbox Guest?
[05:03] <six_> Why would a DLink DWL-520+ be crashing ubuntu (when connecting to router - no security on router)?
[05:03] <petrvs> linocisco: the dyndns client will take care of that
[05:03] <petrvs> six_: crashing?
[05:03] <six_> yup
[05:03] <petrvs> define
[05:04] <six_> sends it "terminal" or whatever, cant use keyboard.
[05:04] <six_> with a bunch of error messages
[05:04] <six_> tried with Ubuntu 11.04 and 14.04 Live
[05:08] <DerRaiden> morning/morgen
[05:09] <histo> linocisco: you need to setup your network conneciton in vbox settings to get it's own ip from your router. Then you need to tell your router to forward all incoming web traffic (port 80) to the ip of the vbox guest
[05:13] <dcrouch> Looking to mimic a backup that was done through another service. I'm finding the following missing from tar --one-file-system --numeric-owner I see them both mentioned here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR Is there something additional I can add to tar to allow more support?
[05:14] <linocisco> histo, i have only local ip, but on router or firewall or proxy or whatever device at office , i dont have access. I would like to make sure if something on the path is clear or reachable in out or not before I proceed everything. which tools on ubuntu might be best to test?
[05:24] <dima666> hey anybody sitting in #css channel?
[05:41] <basichash> Is there a cli network utility that shows download speed / ping?
[05:42] <trfsrfr> wow! just upgraded from 13.04 to 14.04, went online to a youtube video and it locked up. Mouse still worked, but nothing else. Had to do a hard shutdown. This was the initial test run of the new OS. Any thoughts?
[05:42] <andrey_> h
[05:45] <digitsm> Hello
[05:45] <digitsm> I have added xorg-edgers PPA to support my new nvidia GTX 750ti graphic card
[05:45] <digitsm> But I guess that there are more than just "nvidia-346" packages out there
[05:46] <digitsm> I fear that those new (unstable) packages break my whole pc
[05:46] <digitsm> Is there any way to only install nvidia driver (and related packages) from xorg-edgers PPA and not something else?
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:58] <sjm> basichash, bwm-ng?
[06:04] <cayphed> Hey, anyone here?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> cayphed: 1700 users are
[06:05] <basichash> sjm: does it have a good UI?
[06:05] <cayphed> Thanks lotuspsychje, was wondering if I got in ok.
[06:08] <basichash> what's the best browser for ubuntu? Chrome's great, but its memory use is out of control
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> !info chromium-browser | basichash
[06:09] <basichash> lotuspsychje: is that chromium-bsu (package)?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> basichash: bsu?
[06:10] <basichash> lotuspsychje: apt-get says no 'chromium' is available, but is referred to by 'chromium-bsu' and 'chromium-bsu:i386'
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> basichash: did you read the packagename i just triggered to you?
[06:12] <basichash> lotuspsychje: thanks
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> basichash: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[06:12] <basichash> lotuspsychje: got it
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> basichash: if you want a really more lightweight browsing, you can try links2 also (from terminal)
[06:13] <basichash> lotuspsychje: terminal-based like lynx?
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> basichash: yes
What has went wrong with my install??? 3-4 times the same things happen, ben installing for over an week now!!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54txAN1v5-o
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> !info links2 | basichash
[06:14] <basichash> lotuspsychje: ah i need it for dev, has to be a proper GUI
[06:14] <Ben64> kris_: ask #debian ... this channel is for Ubuntu only
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> basichash: ok
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | basichash try this one also for smoother program loading
[06:21] <basichash> lotuspsychje: what does it do exactly?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> basichash: it preloads your programs, for smoother use of it
[06:25] <basichash> lotuspsychje: ah sweet, cheers
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> basichash: np, it needs a reboot to make the deamon run
[06:30] <gunndawg> I'm kind of new to linux and wondering what the linux-headers and linux-generic updates are that just came thru? Just generic system updates or what?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: those are kernel updates mate
[06:31] <gunndawg> ah ok
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: thats normal, and will need a reboot after
[06:31] <gunndawg> very well. thank you lotuspsychje
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: if you need anything on ubuntu just ask here :p
[06:32] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: will do, thanks again bud.
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[06:32] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: actually one more question. Does it matter if I use the Update Center or apt-get upgrade? both found 'em
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: you can do both ways: update icon, or sudo apt-get upgrade from terminal
[06:33] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: so same results, gotcha. thank you
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: but automatic updates via the icon are handy, to know when new updates are available
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: the fastest way would be manually daily updates tru terminal, sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:36] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: that's what I tend to do, several times a day actually just incase something comes thru
[06:36] <gunndawg> is the update center just a GUI front end for apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: well on ubuntu you are pretty safe default, more then daily updates are not requiered
[06:37] <S|{ip> Hi Guys, I'm after some help in configuring OpenSSHServer to run applications through to a SSH client (Putty on Windows). Enabled X11Forwarding yes in SSHD_config but receiveing Can't open display: localhost:10.0
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: yes
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> !ssh | S|{ip
[06:37] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: very well.
[06:38] <S|{ip> !sshd
[06:41] <gunndawg> Well that kernel update did something GREAT, though unexpected and cant make sense of it
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: what happened
[06:42] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: I've never had GRUB come up and ask me if I want to boot to Windows 7(on a completely separate HDD), or Ubuntu. I've always had to go into BIOS and change the default boot drive. This makes it easier. But why would a kernel update suddenly present me with a GRUB loader?
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: you change dualboot Os loading with bios?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: this is just why they invented grub to make things easier switch the Os you want to boot
[06:44] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: I've changed nothing. If I ever needed Windows I'd just go into bios and change boot option #1 to my Windows 7 HDD, It's always just booted to my first Boot Device #1. Now GRUB loader actually asks me
[06:45] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: I understand what its purpose is. What I'm trying to figure out is why all of a sudden its showing up?
[06:45] <gunndawg> I've been using this install of Ubuntu for about 3 weeks now and never once saw a GRUB loader until I re booted after that kernel update
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: did you try more then 1 reboot, sometimes it shows up an dissapears
[06:45] <gunndawg> no I only did the 1 reboot after the updates installed.
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: try another one first plz
[06:46] <gunndawg> will do, brb
[06:46] <OerHeks> maybe you pressed shift during boot, that would show the grubmenu
[06:48] <gunndawg> sure enough it came up again, I ddint press anything. I'm glad it does though, just not sure why ALL OF A SUDDEN, heh
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: then you might wanna edit grub then and sudo update-grub after and reboot
[06:49] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: why?
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: to edit the grub timeout
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> so it doesnt show anymore
[06:49] <gunndawg> I told you that I want it to. I think its GREAT
[06:49] <gunndawg> I've wanted it to come up
[06:49] <gunndawg> but never had it
[06:50] <gunndawg> What I am trying to figure out is why it started to come up after that kernel update? I've always wanted it to come up, but it never has. Now after I update kernel it comes up
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: wait, you want a grub every boot?
[06:51] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: It doesnt bother me. In the event I need to boot into another OS, it could be handy, unless you have a more efficient way?
[06:51] <gunndawg> I guess every reboot might be a bit much, what are the other options?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: you make it all harder on yourself mate, with that bios trick
[06:52] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: I agree, that's why I'm happy that GRUB comes up. I think we're not understanding each other
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: the way i would do this, is edit grub to 2sec and edit grub to load your Os you want
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: if you still want, the other Os you still got 2sec
[06:53] <gunndawg> alright, how would I go about editing grub?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> !grub | gunndawg
[06:54] <gunndawg> so sudo into etc/default/grub
[06:54] <gunndawg> I"ll look around
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: and sudo update-grub after you edit
[06:56] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: so it's the Hidden_timeout I want to set, right?
[06:56] <gunndawg> its currently at 0
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> gunndawg: http://askubuntu.com/questions/148095/how-do-i-set-the-grub-timeout-and-the-grub-default-boot-entry
[06:58] <gunndawg> alright thanks
[06:59] <gunndawg> lotuspsychje: Now if I can only get the Plymouth animation and login box/screen to appear on my primary monitor once booted I'll be set (until the next issues), heh
[07:01] <digitsm> Hello
[07:01] <digitsm> I have to PCs having nvidia gtx 750 ti
[07:02] <digitsm> I installed nvidia-346 on both
[07:02] <digitsm> On my xubuntu everything went ok, but when I want to update, it wants to update ~80MBs
[07:03] <digitsm> I am sure that most those updates are from xorg-edgers PPA
[07:03] <digitsm> I want to know whether those updates may be dangerous and unstable?
[07:04] <digitsm> And what could I do to not update anything else from xorg-edgers PPA except nvidia drivers?
[07:04] <S|{ip> Any reconmendations of a file manager application to run on X over SSH ?
[07:04] <gunndawg> remove the PPA?
[07:04] <digitsm> gunndawg, Hmmm. yeah, simple idea
[07:05] <digitsm> gunndawg, If I remove the PPA and ubuntu update its kernel, is it possible to I encouter problem?
[07:05] <OerHeks> digitsm, why would updates be bad?
[07:05] <digitsm> Hello OerHeks. Nice to chat you!
[07:06] <OerHeks> and currently there are a lot of updates, firefox, kernel, and more
[07:06] <digitsm> OerHeks, Because xorg-edgers is on the edges. So it's not stable any more
[07:07] <digitsm> OerHeks, I installed 14.04.1 LTS to become stable
[07:07] <digitsm> I am an android developer, and doesn't have time to correct problems made by updates in the future
[07:07] <MadLamb> does any knows why this doesnt work for me? http://askubuntu.com/questions/53119/how-do-i-kill-a-locked-ssh-session
[07:07] <[Saint]> LTS != "stable"
[07:07] <[Saint]> People need to learn that.
[07:07] <OerHeks> current is 14.04.2 so you might get more updates.
[07:08] <digitsm> [Saint], But debian stable (wheezy) has very old packages. I can't use that for development
[07:08] <Ben64> digitsm: what is your actual issue
[07:09] <digitsm> Ben64, Hello ben
[07:09] <[Saint]> pebcak
[07:09] <[Saint]> in a word.
[07:09] <OerHeks> MadLamb, did you try "~. [enter] " too ?
[07:09] <linocisco> histo, ?
[07:09] <histo> linocisco: ?
[07:09] <MadLamb> OerHeks, yes, i hit enter and nothing happens. the terminal is completely frozen
[07:09] <basichash> What's a good tool for diagnosing my connection? I've currently downloading tweets from twitters api, but everytime after several thousand have been downloaded my node app just stops. How can i troubleshoot this?
[07:10] <linocisco> histo,I am now installing ubuntu server and now at the stage of tasksel
[07:10] <basichash> (other websites are still accessible, despite the the download stream stopping)
[07:10] <histo> linocisco: if you don't have access to the router to forward web traffic to the vm or whatever machine you choose. You are going no where.
[07:10] <linocisco> histo, i selected only openssh server, and LAMP. is it enough to install webserver?
[07:10] <[Saint]> basichash: that doesn't sound like your issue - that sounds like rate limiting.
[07:10] <MadLamb> OerHeks, oh it just unfrozen now. I'm not sure it was because of me issuing commands or something else. ill try again next time. thx anyway.
[07:10] <histo> linocisco: yes but see my previous comments about forwarding the traffic via the router.
[07:11] <histo> linocisco: how is the outside world going to get to this box?
[07:12] <linocisco> histo, myname.ddns.net is working
[07:12] <linocisco> histo, using local ip
[07:12] <digitsm> Ben64, I have many issues: 1. I want to become stable, I fear future updates (not related to nvidia) may break my ubuntu in the future. 2. I have to connect to internet through VPN, and by using that VPN connecting to PPA get very slow. Last night I partially updated my second ubuntu (unity) after installing nvidia driver on it, and boom, it doesn't boot any more 3. I nuked my second ubuntu (unity). I have btrfs snapshot of a correct state, but I can't eve
[07:12] <digitsm> n boot to linux to roll back to it
[07:12] <histo> linocisco: right which hits the router but not the box behind it right
[07:12] <digitsm> Ben64, By future updates I mean those from xorg-edgers
[07:13] <histo> linocisco: you need to tell the router to forward web traffic to the internal ip of server
[07:13] <linocisco> histo, no. it hits until my Host machine that host my Virtual Ubutu server guest
[07:13] <histo> linocisco: setup virtualbox to pull another ip on the guest. Bridged connection under networking
[07:13] <basichash> [Saint]: ah got you
[07:13] <linocisco> histo, yes. i did already
[07:14] <Ben64> digitsm: 1. updates are good 2. then don't use the vpn? 3. btrfs is not really the best choice
[07:14] <histo> linocisco: then why would the web traffic be hitting your host?
[07:14] <basichash> [Saint]: the thing is though, that if i restart the application then it continues downloaded without any issues
[07:14] <histo> linocisco: you need to port forward 80 to your guest's ip
[07:15] <linocisco> histo, installation of ubuntu webserver is still not finished. now installing grub
[07:15] <linocisco> loader
[07:15] <[Saint]> basichash: it would get a new response code then, and be a "new" session, no?
[07:16] <[Saint]> basichash: IIRC I hit a rate limiting snafu with Twitter a while back, but I can't recall offhand if there's easily googleable limits definied.
[07:16] <basichash> [Saint]: if that's the case, is there a way to automate the restarting of my app when it hits that limit?
[07:16] <[Saint]> From memory rate limits get evaluated on a case-by-case basis, so I may be marking up the wrong tree.
[07:17] <[Saint]> *barking, even.
[07:17] <[Saint]> lets see what Twitter has to say.
[07:17] <[Saint]> https://dev.twitter.com/rest/public/rate-limiting
[07:17] <digitsm> Ben64, 1. Once I updated to kernel 3.16 and I couldn't install nvidia driver on it anymore. For a developer updates are not necessarily good 2. I don't have any other choice than VPN now! 3. I know ext4 adn xfs are more stable than btrfs, but because I am a developer, sometime I install so much packages and many configs. I feel safe by snapshot feature of btrfs
[07:17] <[Saint]> Hmmm, rather bland and nondescript.
[07:18] <Ben64> digitsm: no, updates are definitely always good. as a developer, you should be concerned with security, updates bring security
[07:18] <histo> linocisco: you can install whatever you want. but if you don't have access to the router good luck.
[07:19] <ubuntu> hey
[07:19] <[Saint]> digitsm: pro tip - also as a developer:
[07:19] <[Saint]> Do NOT, EVER store ANYTHING you care about on BTRFS>
[07:20] <[Saint]> like, ...ever.
[07:20] <[Saint]> If you give a crap about your data, and don't want to keep countless offsite backups, BTRFS is not your friend.
[07:21] <[Saint]> In time, this will hopefully change. However, we're not there yet.
[07:21] <[Saint]> We're not even close.
[07:21] <deadmau5> sup
[07:21] <basichash> [Saint]: so are there no rate limits for the streaming api: "without having to worry about polling or REST API rate limits" -> tps://dev.twitter.com/streaming/public
[07:22] <deadmau5> borrrrrrriinngg
[07:23] <deadmau5> i like linux chat better
[07:23] <[Saint]> Oh ohhh, edgy techno name guy thinks we're boring.
[07:24] <linocisco> hi all , i have configured static network address under /etc/network/interface but it is not updated using /etc/init.d/networking restart and ip addr
[07:24] <linocisco> what do I do?
[07:24] <Faylite> Comes to a support chat, says it's boring *facepalm*
[07:26] <Haris> hello all
[07:26] <Haris> how to upgade individual packages ?
[07:26] <Haris> upgrade+
[07:26] <Haris> I tried aptitude upgrade package-name, apt-get -u <package-name>. it doesn't work
[07:26] <Flannel> Haris: `sudo apt-get install foo` will update the package `foo` to the latest version
[07:27] <Haris> ah ok
[07:27] <[Saint]> "apt-get install --only-upgrade $package_name_here"
[07:28] <basichash> anyone here involved with big data?
[07:28] * [Saint] points out Flannel isn't wrong either, and neither is he, it's just two different "right"s.
[07:28] <histo> basichash: big data?
[07:28] <[Saint]> Haris: I'll point out the difference, though, as there is one.
[07:28] <histo> linocisco: is this on a desktop?
[07:29] <basichash> histo: analysing large datasets
[07:29] <linocisco> histo, no server
[07:29] <[Saint]> My version will *only* upgrade that package.
[07:29] <histo> basichash: whats your question
[07:29] <[Saint]> Flannel's version will install new packages as well.
[07:29] <[Saint]> like new recommends, etc. not necessarily required.
[07:30] <histo> linocisco: do you have dhcp-client installed?
[07:30] <BBLLCC> what 3 keys do I have to press to change the application I am using?
[07:30] <BBLLCC> or the active window
[07:31] <BBLLCC> ctrl alt caps?
[07:31] <linocisco> histo, how can I check?
[07:31] <[Saint]> this one, that one, and the other one.
[07:31] <Ben64> BBLLCC: alt+tab ? or am i reading your question wrong
[07:31] <linocisco> histo, i m getting auto dhcp ip
[07:31] <histo> linocisco: dpkg -l | grep dhcp
[07:31] <linocisco> histo, but I have changed in inteface file manually
[07:31] <BBLLCC> thanks Ben64
[07:32] <linocisco> histo, yes. i have
[07:32] <histo> linocisco: pastebin your interfaces file
[07:32] <basichash> histo: i want to get into big data / machine learning / dat analysis. I've been downloading tweets from twitters stream for the last day, wondering how i can get into this field using this data
[07:34] <histo> basichash: this is not the right place. try #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:35] <histo> linocisco: your interfaces files is most likely messed up
[07:35] <linocisco> histo, why?
[07:37] <digitsm> [Saint], What if I break my root?
[07:37] <digitsm> Isn't btrfs better for having snapshots?
[07:40] <digitsm> [Saint], On my broken btrfs ubuntu installation my btrfs file system and snapshots are completely healthy. The only problem is that grub can't find the btrfs root
[07:42] <linocisco> histo, i rebooted. now ok
[07:45] <Haris> how can one see a list of packages on a repo ?
[07:45] <Haris> I need to see a list of packages from datastax repo to check which version of apache cassandra is available for install
[07:46] <TheNumb> Haris: apt-cache policy <packagename>
[07:46] <htqp> digitsm: what happens? grub prompt?
[07:46] <Haris> wildcards work ?
[07:46] <TheNumb> try
[07:48] <htqp> apt-cache policy pkg* searches for package names containing 'pkg' (imho it's counterintuitive since it looks as a trailing wildcard, but...)
[07:48] <Haris> how can I tell apt-get/aptitude which version of the package to install ?
[07:48] <Haris> I need cassandra 2.0.14, dsc20 for this install
[07:49] <Haris> version table has a lot of stuff in it
[07:49] <Haris> but no package names that I can put in the command
[07:50] <Haris> ah, packagename=version from man page
[07:50] <Ben64> i'm not seeing any package called cassandra
[07:54] <franco__> ciao tutto bene
[07:54] <OerHeks> !it | franco__
[08:14] * twistedcheshire came in here to ask a question, got here, and now can't remember what the question was.
[08:15] <phix> twistedcheshire: hehe
[08:16] <phix> maybe it wasn;t that important
[08:16] <twistedcheshire> Well if I took the time to get on IRC, then it had to have been. Damnit! LOL
[08:16] <ebonics> anyone know why jpeg files would be appearing as flat black images, but show up properly when displayed with imagemagick or after using convert on them?
[08:17] <phix> ebonics: the decoder isnt installed?
[08:18] <digitsm> htqp: Could you please help me recover my grub/kernel back?
[08:20] <wowa_s> asdfas
[08:20] <wowa_s> fdsa
[08:25] <ebonics> phix, no that's not the problem :/
[08:26] <ebonics> it seems that the image is corrupted somehow, even though it has never been modified on that box
[08:27] <geirha> what does identify say about it?
[08:36] <jzp113> hi someone know RFID
[08:38] <inerkick> Hi I got Ricoh, printer. But when I connect that with my ubuntu 14.04 installed laptop and give any print, it just keeps showing processing. But not works. Anyone could help me here . please?
[08:40] <Haris> guys, need help -> http://pastebin.ca/2969747
[08:45] <Haris> its not selinux but something is stopped from ntp being installed or worked up
[08:48] <Haris> selinux is disabled on this box. I should not be getting this error msg
[08:56] <survietamine> hello, because we have a lot of machines, we want to pin versions of some packages, but after "apt-get update", older pinned version may become unavailable.
[08:56] <survietamine> I can see that firefox 36.0.4 is still available on launchpad : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/firefox
[08:57] <survietamine> how can I add this into Apt sources.list ?
[09:02] <OerHeks> survietamine, bad idea to pinning a browser
[09:05] <shiv> hi
[09:05] <shiv> anyone thr
[09:05] <shiv> can anyone let me know that snmp tree browser using a mib file
[09:12] <ANJ7> anyone would like to join me at ##Godhelps ?
[09:13] <TheNumb> no
[09:14] <cfhowlett> ANJ7, no
[09:14] <ANJ7> ok, ignore if no
[09:14] <cfhowlett> ANJ7, channel topic is ubuntu support, please
[09:14] <OerHeks> ANJ7, please keep this channel free for ubuntu support, thanks.
[09:15] <ANJ7> oh, ok
[09:16] <TheNumb> ANJ7: for offtopic join #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:17] <survietamine> OerHeks: yes, it is bad, but some dev asked us to pin it
[09:18] <Giwrgaras> virtual box does not have a graphics card ? can i play games in it?
[09:18] <survietamine> OerHeks: so, if older releases are downloadable from launchpad.net, can I add some lines in sources.list ?
[09:18] <ANJ7>
[09:18] <survietamine> OerHeks: I don't feel comfortable with launchpad and ppa
[09:20] <OerHeks> survietamine, not that i know of, usually we download tru apt-get. and apt-get does not give FF 36
[09:20] <k1l> Giwrgaras: virtualbox only simulates hardware to the guest OS inside the vbox. that is the idea behind all that. install the guest additions. but performance will never be like the native performance
[09:21] <OerHeks> survietamine, you can try to pinn firefox in softwarecenter, but that would give security issues, you don't want that.
[09:21] <metaphysician> How can I play vp9 videos in 14.04?
[09:21] <survietamine> OerHeks: yeah, I know that. To update our thousands of computers, we have a apt proxy. But after "apt-get update", the pinned old version is not available anymore
[09:21] <faust> survietamine: you really shouldn't use FF36 or any older firefox version
[09:21] <survietamine> faust: I don't want to use it, but developers that we use apps from don't allow use to update our browsers versions
[09:22] <survietamine> faust: so, I need some releases in all our park
[09:22] <shiv> can anyone let me know that snmp tree browser using a mib file
[09:22] <faust> survietamine: o.o change your developers
[09:22] <geirha> survietamine: sounds like you'll want to create your own repository then, which you include in sources.list in addition to the official ones
[09:23] <survietamine> geirha: ah ok, thank you. My question was if I can see that this old version is available on this page https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/firefox/36.0.4+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1 I can add sources.list line
[09:24] <survietamine> geirha: but it seems that it is only for manual downloads
[09:24] <survietamine> do you guys know how landscape works about packages management?
[09:25] <survietamine> we did write our own package management for our park, but with this mess that older versions are not available after "apt-get update", it is broken
[09:31] <hugopereira> i have a pproblem with my ubuntu: "waiting for network connection", on cryptsetup
[09:31] <hugopereira> anybody can help?
[09:31] <v4l> yes i can
[09:32] <v4l> how are you
[09:32] <hugopereira> fine and u?
[09:32] <Mp3InThehouse> i have the problem waiting for net conn
[09:32] <Mp3InThehouse> i have chang network conf interface and all
[09:34] <codeic> hi all
[09:36] <Anf> Guten Tag kurze frage, wo kann ich nachschauen, auf welche partition ich Ubuntu installiert habe, und wie groß die ist?
[09:37] <k1l> Anf: #ubuntu-de ist der deutsche kanal
[09:37] <OerHeks> Anf, sudo fdisk -l
[09:38] <Anf> Danke
[09:41] <Anf> kleine frage noch, wen ich Ubuntu installiere, mach ich ja eine Swap Partition, eine /Home Partition und eine System Partition, jetzt hab ich mir einen NAS zugelegt und möchte alle Daten auf den NAS haben, somit brauch ich die /Home Partition nicht mehr, wen ich jetzt Ubuntu Neue Installiere, ohne der /Home Partition, wo werden die Daten im Home Ordnern gespeichert?
[09:43] <k1l> Anf: dieses ist der englische kanal, der deutsche ist #ubuntu-de
[09:45] <Anf> Upps, Sorry.
[09:53] <Lemongrab-> hi. using nvidia-settings, i set the preferred res, save to xorg.conf, verify that the config file has been written, reboot, and the changes do not take effect. so to clarify, any customised settings revert to defaults on restart, even though the new xorg.conf is intact. anyone know anything that might help?
[09:54] <metaphysician> In trusty, which media player can play VP9 video format?
[09:54] <Haris> guys, need help -> http://pastebin.ca/2969747 . its not selinux but something is stopped from ntp being installed or worked up. selinux is disabled on this box. I should not be getting this error msg
[09:56] <Haris> pasting again -> http://pastebin.ca/2969763
[09:56] <Haris> stopped=stopping
[09:56] <Lemongrab-> here's the xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/iupYhprU - does it look ok to you? all i want is to set res to 1360x768
[09:59] <OerHeks> metaphysician, VLC 2.1.2 supports VP9 by default
[09:59] <MonkeyDust> Haris first: cassandra is debian, diabel that repo and see if the error still occurs
[09:59] <MonkeyDust> disable*
[10:00] <Haris> that didn't make sense
[10:00] <Haris> cassandra 2.0.14 is installed. This didn't stop cassandra
[10:01] <Haris> Is this needed for making ntp get handled successfully ?
[10:01] <metaphysician> OerHeks: in a webm container? I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10781342/
[10:01] <Haris> I .. don't know how to disable a repo
[10:01] <k1l> Haris: that is not from the official ubuntu repos. so please ask the cassandra guys what is wrong there
[10:02] <cfhowlett> OerHeks, vp8 is listed ... don't see vp9 listed https://wiki.videolan.org/Codec/
[10:02] <Haris> the problem is not with Cassandra. the problem is with ntp
[10:02] <Haris> cassandra is done .. installed .. working. all good
[10:03] <Haris> ntp is not getting installed, having problem, because of a library that it can't access
[10:03] <k1l> Haris: you obviously install 3rd party stuff that is breaking your ubuntu system.
[10:03] <Haris> and selinux is disabled on this box
[10:03] <Haris> *sigh*, what does third party repo stuff have to do with ntp, which comes from ubuntu not being able to access a library, which is also not related
[10:04] <Lemongrab-> hi. using nvidia-settings, i set the preferred res, save to xorg.conf, verify that the config file has been written, reboot, and the changes do not take effect. so to clarify, any customised settings revert to defaults on restart, even though the new xorg.conf is intact. here's the xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/iupYhprU - does it look ok to you? all i want is to set res to 1360x768
[10:04] <OerHeks> Haris cassandra_2.0.14 is over a year old ..
[10:04] <Haris> installing cassandra from datastax debian repo does not break ubuntu
[10:04] <ZAKhan> can anyone help me out wih KVM issues?
[10:04] <Haris> OerHeks: Yes, its old. but ubuntu is LTS
[10:04] <Haris> and is not broken
[10:04] <OerHeks> Haris, seems to break the install, no ?
[10:04] <Haris> how ?
[10:05] <Haris> ntp can't access a library on this box. its a permissions issue as the log msg says
[10:05] <Haris> something related to selinux or the like
[10:05] <Haris> nothing from base is in conflict
[10:06] <k1l> Haris: apt-cache policy ntp
[10:06] <TheNumb> OerHeks: cassandra 2.0.14 is *the stable* release.
[10:06] <TheNumb> And it's recommended for use in production environments.
[10:06] <Haris> http://pastebin.ca/2969766
[10:06] <darius93> i have a small problem. i am trying to assign a qemu vm with a static ip. So far, I was able to assign one to it, but there is no connection. I cant ping any ip. Any clue why?
[10:07] <Haris> I have a crash log in /var/crash. Should I post it ? its size is: 100168
[10:08] <Haris> post = paste
[10:08] <Haris> [2594959.501712] type=1400 audit(1428568662.589:16): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_mmap" parent=28021 profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" name="/tmp/upgrade-rw-LGvRYH/usr/lib/libopts.so.25.10.0" pid=28036 comm="ntpd" requested_mask="m" denied_mask="m" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[10:08] <Haris> this is one line at the end of ntp crash report
[10:09] <Haris> getenforce was not installed, so I installed selinux-utils and checked. selinux is Disabled
[10:10] <Haris> so cant say why ntp won't be able to access a library that is clearly present on this box
[10:10] <k1l> Haris: what box is it?
[10:10] <k1l> what special setup?
[10:10] <Haris> ?
[10:11] <Haris> how can I allow ntp file_mmap operation on this box ?
[10:11] <Haris> that's the Q
[10:11] <k1l> no the question is what did you change to your setup to get that issue?
[10:12] <Haris> I just installed cassandra 2.0.14 and dsc20 (datastax community version)
[10:12] <Haris> even if I uninstall them, I suspect this won't change a thing
[10:12] <Haris> it has nothing to do with ntp not being able to access a library and be able to do its work
[10:13] <Haris> is there a way to check consistency of package db
[10:13] <Haris> or something, to make sure it is in consistent state
[10:13] <colby_> Hey folks, Linux noob here. I was wondering if someone could help me upgrade GnuPG to version 2 in Ubunto for Enigamail?
[10:14] <Haris> perhaps a reinstall of ntp might give more clue ?
[10:14] <OerHeks> !info gnupg2
[10:14] <Haris> what package does libopts.so.25 come with ?
[10:15] <OerHeks> !find libopts
[10:16] <metaphysician> OerHeks: Looks like VLC 2.1.6 supports VP9 only on Windows.
[10:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:17] <Haris> morning
[10:17] <k1l> Haris: what is the permissons on /usr/lib and that lib in particular?
[10:19] <Haris> http://pastebin.ca/2969774
[10:19] <Haris> updating paste
[10:20] <Haris> http://pastebin.ca/2969775
[10:22] <OerHeks> metaphysician, oh, i see, 2.2.0 surely does VP9 https://www.videolan.org/vlc/releases/2.2.0.html = current utopic version
[10:23] <Haris> hmm
[10:24] <Haris> where does audit log go ?
[10:24] <Haris> I don't have /var/log/audit or /var/log/audit/audit.log
[10:25] <DazPetty> does anyone have any tips on how I might destroy my system so that I can have some fun fixing it again, like some sort of malicious software? (I'm using a Virtual Machine and this is for practice)
[10:26] <TheNumb> DazPetty: no.
[10:26] <DazPetty> I'm thinking I might just run "rm -r *" and see what happends
[10:26] <Haris> another troll *sigh*
[10:26] <DazPetty> or maybe I'll just try to pull some kernal modules
[10:26] <DazPetty> Haris I'm not a troll
[10:26] <DazPetty> I'm running in a Virtual Machine
[10:27] <TheNumb> DazPetty: removing the kernel modules won't hurt you as long as you don't reboot.
[10:27] <cfhowlett> DazPetty, as you obviously know how to break your system, you didn't need to ask the question. anything else?
[10:27] <DazPetty> and I need to practice some situations where the system has been broken somehow
[10:27] <IceBot3000> DazPetty: Leave SSH open as a public webserver, then wait approximately 10 minutes for the Chinese/Russian visitors
[10:27] <TheNumb> that
[10:27] <TheNumb> :D
[10:27] <sjoshi> :D
[10:27] <DazPetty> lol IceBot3000, unfortunatly I'm not on a virtual internet connection
[10:27] <TheNumb> DazPetty: also, /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:28] <DazPetty> someone in xubuntu suggested I make snapshots so I can just go set it up and destroy it without having to re-set it up
[10:28] <DazPetty> but ok I'll go to the OT room if you want TheNumb
[10:29] <k1l> Haris: sorry, dont know what is going wrong on your system. maybe you can try to install --reinstall ntp
[10:29] <Haris> tried and failed with it =(
[10:30] <metaphysician> OerHeks: I have latest ffmpeg (which supports VP9) installed from source. Can vlc/mplayer2/mpv use it?
[10:30] <Haris> I'm getting these msgs in /var/log/syslog, but selinux is not enabled. what can be making these deny actions ?
[10:30] <Haris> Apr 9 15:21:12 trac kernel: [2601155.170984] type=1400 audit(1428574872.169:36): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_mmap" parent=29811 profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" name="/tmp/upgrade-rw-LGvRYH/usr/lib/libopts.so.25.10.0" pid=29826 comm="ntpd" requested_mask="m" denied_mask="m" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[10:30] <OerHeks> metaphysician, vlc uses its own codecs AFAIK
[10:31] <OerHeks> metaphysician, try mplayer2 then, why ask me?
[10:31] <OerHeks> You have it set up, just a mouseclick away
[10:34] <Haris> let me see if uninstalling selinux/libs will help
[10:34] <TheNumb> Haris: why did you install selinux?
[10:35] <Haris> I didn't install it. I installed selinux-utils only, to check if selinux was enabled/disabled
[10:35] <TheNumb> Haris: by default there's no selinux in Ubuntu. Only AppArmor.
[10:35] <TheNumb> Haris: also, /tmp/upgrade-rw-LGvRYH/usr/lib/libopts.so.25.10.0 looks suspicious
[10:35] <Haris> hmm
[10:36] <Haris> I can *speculate* that this box was upgraded in the past
[10:39] <Haris> hmm
[10:40] <TheNumb> Haris: is there a /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.ntpd file?
[10:40] <Haris> I have /usr/lib and I have /tmp/upgrade-rw-LGvRYH/usr/lib
[10:40] <Haris> checking
[10:40] <Haris> yep, I have it
[10:41] <Haris> what can I do with it ?
[10:41] <TheNumb> Haris: try running apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.ntpd
[10:41] <TheNumb> and restart ntpd
[10:42] <Haris> it has no statements for libopt... though
[10:42] <Haris> same error
[10:42] <TheNumb> hmm
[10:42] <Haris> is there a way to change path for libopt for/in ntpd ?
[10:42] <Haris> no output for apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.ntpd
[10:42] <Haris> command finished instantly
[10:42] <TheNumb> The thing is, it shouldn't look in /tmp
[10:43] <[kweijia]> hello
[10:43] <TheNumb> Haris: it's ubuntu 14.04 right?
[10:44] <Haris> 12.x
[10:44] <TheNumb> hmm
[10:44] <[kweijia]> ;)
[10:44] <Haris> PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu precise (12.04.4 LTS)"
[10:44] <TheNumb> Haris: can you run md5sum `which ntpd`?
[10:44] <Haris> VERSION="12.04.4 LTS, Precise Pangolin"
[10:44] <TheNumb> Haris: also which version of ntpd?
[10:44] <TheNumb> dpkg -l ntp
[10:45] <Haris> http://pastebin.ca/2969783 , http://pastebin.ca/2969782
[10:46] <Haris> iF ntp 1:4.2.6.p3+dfsg-1ubuntu3.3 Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs
[10:46] <Lemongrab-> hi. using nvidia-settings, i set the preferred res, save to xorg.conf, verify that the config file has been written, reboot, and the res is set to max available instead of my choice. xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/QmzxRBT9 Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/dWD6YTcJ - can anyone help?
[10:46] <Haris> just tried to remove it some minutes back
[10:47] <TheNumb> Haris: can you paste the output of md5sum $(which ntpd)
[10:47] <Haris> ah yes
[10:47] <Haris> e3e0c3394a1b5b2fc6d6436c27995de2 /usr/sbin/ntpd
[10:47] <TheNumb> hmm, correct
[10:51] <TheNumb> Haris: can you also paste the output of apparmor_status?
[10:52] <Haris> http://pastebin.ca/2969785
[10:54] <Haris> perhaps I can cahnge path from /usr/lib to /tmp/upgrade-something/usr/lib and see what happens ?
[10:54] <Haris> in the apparmor profile file
[10:54] <Haris> but dont know how to
[10:55] <TheNumb> Haris: have you tried upgrading the system?
[10:55] <Haris> not eyt
[10:55] <Haris> not yet
[10:55] <Haris> do-dist-upgrade ?
[10:55] <TheNumb> the /tmp/upgrade-* folder is created when upgrading the distribution
[10:55] <Haris> I can try now
[10:55] <TheNumb> Don't.
[10:55] <Haris> perhaps it'll help
[10:56] <Haris> hmm
[10:56] <Haris> after upgrade, the /tmp/upgrade-* should be sorted on its own ?
[10:56] <TheNumb> Haris: did you run do-release-upgrade?
[10:56] <Haris> not yet
[10:56] <TheNumb> Somebody did.
[10:56] <Haris> I'm going to though
[10:57] <Haris> running it now
[10:57] <TheNumb> brb
[10:58] <Haris> should I press yes on continue ?
[10:59] <Haris> I hate forgetting screen at times
[11:03] <Haris> after upgrade the /tmp/upgrade-* paths should be gone or not referenced anymore ?
[11:03] <Haris> hopefully
[11:04] <Haris> till this point, I believe, a clean upgrade is possible
[11:04] <chotaz`w> Hey guys, I'm having a little problem with my 'network interfaces' in ubuntu 14.10? anyone with previous experience in this?
[11:05] <MonkeyDust> chotaz`w let's hear it
[11:05] <dasjoe> !ask
[11:06] <chotaz`w> whenever I turn the laptop on, crypt setup tries connecting to "networks interfaces" and just hangs there for a bit, after logging in the tray button says it isnt conencted to the network manager, but I clearly have internet access I just cant manage my interfaces/conenctions
[11:06] <chotaz`w> I have no clue what's causing this or how to further debug this, but Im mostly sure it isn't intended behaviour(?)
[11:07] <TheNumb> Haris: after a successful upgrade the temporary files should be removed, yes.
[11:07] <dasjoe> chotaz`w: you probably have a network configuration in /etc/network/interfaces. Any interfaces configured there are not configurable via Network Manager
[11:08] <Haris> do-release-upgrade working in screen session. downloading files..
[11:08] <Haris> upgrading to 14.x LTS
[11:08] <Haris> trusty
[11:08] <chotaz`w> dasjoe, well, these are preconfigured dell laptops from our workplace, and none of my colleagues seem to be having the same issue, how can I figured out "what's changed" for me?
[11:08] <MonkeyDust> chotaz`w my idea too: conflicting fix IP address with network manager
[11:08] <MonkeyDust> chotaz`w omat the preconfiguration
[11:09] <MonkeyDust> omit*
[11:09] <dasjoe> chotaz`w: check /etc/network/interfaces, that file should not contain interface definitions
[11:09] <chotaz`w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10781810/
[11:10] <chotaz`w> I've copied this file from a colleague which setup runs smoothly and restarted my machine, no bueno.
[11:10] <chotaz`w> or rather it's contents*
[11:16] <chotaz`w> actually, this was my previous configuration: http://pastebin.com/hrpHjjjJ but even after commenting the "new configurations" which I dont really know if could cause the issue or not, and leaving just the default lines, it's still happening
[11:16] <giuseppe_> cpao italiani
[11:16] <chotaz`w> everyboot I hang for a bit at "waiting for network configurations"
[11:16] <OerHeks> !it | Guest99136
[11:16] <Guest99136> italianiiii
[11:18] <Haris> I have 2 screen sessions. both are attached. and I can't attach to them. What can I do to get them back ? lol
[11:19] <mcphail> Haris: screen -r -D
[11:19] <MonkeyDust> Haris screen -list, then: screen -dr [session name]
[11:20] <Haris> ok, I got one back. Now I can't detach it. lol
[11:20] <Haris> Ctrl+A D doesn't work
[11:20] <Haris> in the screen session running do-release-upgrade
[11:20] <MonkeyDust> i wonder how one can struggle with 'screen'
[11:20] <Haris> I agree
[11:20] <Haris> 787 packages downloaded and counting
[11:21] <thexenith> Hello, I'm having an issue installing a game from CD. UT2K4 has a "linux-installer.sh" file on the disk, I can't set it to allow execution, and sudo ./linux-installer.sh gives a command not found error.
[11:21] <Haris> nope, detaching screen session doesn't work when do-release-upgrade is running
[11:21] <BluesKaj> the use sudo sh pathtofile
[11:22] <BluesKaj> thexenith,^
[11:22] <mcphail> thexenith: try "sh ./yourscript.sh"
[11:22] <kris_pol> can anyone can help me with direct x 9.0 ?
[11:22] <thexenith> Just ran it and it appears to be running. Epic games has a sense of humor, haha
[11:23] <mcphail> kris_pol: unlikely as this is an Ubuntu support channel
[11:23] <BluesKaj> ask in #windows
[11:23] <Haris> kris_pol: there are channels for windows stuff. go there
[11:25] <OerHeks> kris_pol, if it is a wine issue, join #winehq
[11:25] <kris_pol> how they can help me on windows channel if I installed this on ubuntu using wine?
[11:25] <OerHeks> !wine
[11:25] <Haris> ah ok
[11:26] <Haris> more than 900 packages
[11:27] <thexenith> okay, how can I force a CD to mount?
[11:27] <kris_pol> after installation system showed me couple of errors, most propably easy to solve for advanced linux users
[11:27] <Haris> do-release-upgrade will conserve previous config files for all pacakges ?
[11:28] <TheNumb> Haris: should
[11:28] <TheNumb> Haris: but always make backups
[11:28] <OerHeks> thexenith, same for you, join #winehq for applicationhelp with ut2k4
[11:28] <mcphail> Haris: I think you get offered the option to keep/edit/replace
[11:29] <Haris> this is a development box
[11:29] <Haris> no backups at present
[11:29] <OerHeks> no backup = no worry
[11:29] <Haris> dumb Q: does one have to rebuild the kernel to extend number of FDs from 1024 to something like 400000 or more
[11:30] <Haris> have=has
[11:30] <TheNumb> no
[11:30] <faust> Haris: you may want to look at /etc/security/limits.conf
[11:30] <TheNumb> limits.conf is your friend
[11:30] <Haris> in the past I'v had boxes running apache with more than 1000 domains, and it would complain about open files
[11:35] <Haris> did get a msg about install being broken at one point, but its still moving on
[11:35] <Haris> its screen, so copying putty session didn't help
[11:35] <milosz96> no
[11:35] <milosz96> xd
[11:35] <Haris> should have started screen with -h 10000
[11:36] <Haris> it was just with one package, that I got that msg. upgrade is proceeding
[11:36] <Haris> does do-release-upgrade make a log ?
[11:36] <Haris> Its common sense
[11:37] <Haris> where would be the right Q
[11:37] <TheNumb> probably in /var/log
[11:37] <TheNumb> ;]
[11:37] <TheNumb> Like all the other logs
[11:37] <MonkeyDust> Haris out of curiosity, what is your linux background?
[11:37] <Haris> 14 years of work experience
[11:37] <Haris> by hand
[11:37] <Haris> and some little reading
[11:38] <Haris> I just ask too many dumb Qs
[11:39] <Haris> because of little reading
[11:39] <davevanloo> there are no dumb questions Haris :)
[11:40] <TheNumb> The question itself is not dumb.
[11:40] <TheNumb> The person asking it might be.
[11:40] <Haris> ntp is the only thing that failed, in the Setting up... \nInstalling new version... stage
[11:41] <Haris> all the rest seems to have gone well
[11:43] <Eightynine> Hi. I'm using Chrome on Ubuntu Gnome, I minimized Chrome window and got white strip on desktop. Then I restored Chrome window and now it freezed. When I'm clicking right mouse button it's not responding, I can't neither close nor create new tab in Chrome.
[11:43] <TheNumb> Eightynine: killing the gnome process might help.
[11:43] <Haris> for keeping /etc/sudoers in upgrade, what's the difference between N and O ?
[11:43] <davevanloo> Eightynine, open the tasksmanager of your distro and kill the process
[11:43] <TheNumb> Haris: did you modify the file?
[11:43] <Eightynine> It's Gnome's issue?
[11:44] <Haris> its been modified
[11:44] <TheNumb> Eightynine: could be gnome, gpu drivers, and chrome at the same time.
[11:44] <davevanloo> it might be hanging for a large ammount of reasons.. if it happens again it might be an issue.. otherwise.. your ok.. :)
[11:44] <Haris> I'v kept the local version. can install the package maintainer's version anytime
[11:44] <TheNumb> Haris: then you don't want to replace it.
[11:44] <Haris> =)
[11:44] <thexenith> I have a Wacom tablet, and my computer Kernel Panics when I plug it in, complete with the caps light blinking
[11:45] <Haris> does ubuntu prefer -run over -sysvinit ?
[11:45] <TheNumb> Haris: what?
[11:45] <Eightynine> A few minutes ago Chrome said that tab with forum page is not responding and asked to close it. I declined it.
[11:46] <Haris> run scripts, /service in comparison to sysvinit ( /etc/init.d/... files)
[11:46] <MonkeyDust> thexenith i had kernel panic after manually upgrading kernel 3.13 to 1.16 on ubuntu 14.04... tell us what you did prior to the kernel panic
[11:46] <TheNumb> Eightynine: need to kill all the processes.
[11:46] <TheNumb> Haris: the upstart services are preferred.
[11:46] <TheNumb> Though sysvinit should work too.
[11:46] <davevanloo> Eightynine.. kill the chrome processes and launch gnome again.. then see if the problem returns..
[11:46] <MonkeyDust> to 3.16*
[11:46] <Haris> what's upstart
[11:46] <TheNumb> !upstart
[11:47] <Haris> ah ok
[11:47] <Eightynine> Sometimes Chrome freezes when working with social networking pages or begins to lag.
[11:47] <mcphail> Haris: systemd is taking over
[11:47] <TheNumb> Yes.
[11:47] <TheNumb> But only for ubuntu 15.04+
[11:47] <mcphail> yep
[11:47] <Eightynine> systemd is total crap. Why not use Upstart?
[11:47] <Haris> the upgrade, at the end says .. grub failed to install to /dev/sda. Can I make it work or do I have to let it go, at this point ?
[11:48] <TheNumb> Eightynine: systemd works here. No complaints so far.
[11:48] <Haris> not having read into systemd, I'm ok right now
[11:48] <cfhowlett> the decision has been made. systemd is the future. deal with it.
[11:48] <Eightynine> Sometimes it has problems with starting/killing services.
[11:48] <TheNumb> Not here.
[11:48] <TheNumb> Works flawlessly.
[11:48] <Haris> writing grub to boot device failed, continue ?
[11:48] <Haris> yes/no ?
[11:49] <TheNumb> (Haven't tested ubuntu)
[11:49] <TheNumb> Haris: you can continue and install it manually if you know how to do that.
[11:49] <Eightynine> I'm using LTS version, why it comes with kernel 3.16 which is deprecated and not LTS kernel like 3.14 or 3.18?
[11:49] <Haris> actually, I don't :P
[11:49] <Haris> is there an article/doc on it ?
[11:49] <TheNumb> !kernel
[11:50] <TheNumb> hmm
[11:50] <TheNumb> not what I expected to see
[11:50] <PCatinean> Hey guys
[11:50] <PCatinean> I installed the ubuntu-restricted-extra thing and it installed fonts on my system that are smaller and hurt my eye, how can I revert this?
[11:50] <PCatinean> I'm in pain :(
[11:50] <Eightynine> What about my question abount kernels?
[11:50] <TheNumb> Eightynine: 3.16 is still supported and patched in ubuntu.
[11:51] <TheNumb> The fixes are being backported from newer kernels.
[11:51] <Haris> amazed at how many threads for discussing after => "do-release-upgrade manually install grub"
[11:52] <Haris> on google
[11:52] <Haris> threads = search resutls
[11:52] <OerHeks> Eightynine, what? kernel 3.16 deprecated ?
[11:52] <TheNumb> PCatinean: did it change your font? where?
[11:52] <Eightynine> I like Gnome's Activities menu but I hate that after updating all software to 3.10 or 3.12 maximize and mimimize buttons disappeared in stock Gnome software(I mean Gedit etc). What can I use? KDE is crap, others are ancient.
[11:52] <OerHeks> Eightynine, what makes you think that?
[11:53] <Eightynine> Check kernel.org site.
[11:53] <PCatinean> TheNumb, no I did not "install" anything except the sudo apt-get install ubuntu-resricted-extras and then I saw it install new fonts
[11:53] <TheNumb> Eightynine: it doesn't work that way in ubuntu.
[11:53] <PCatinean> and now I got small and painfull fonts everywhere
[11:53] <PCatinean> Web browser etc...
[11:53] <OerHeks> Eightynine, well, go for kernel 4.0 then ...
[11:53] <TheNumb> PCatinean: try removing ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[11:53] <chotaz`w> Anyone has any input on why ubuntu tells me "Network Manager is not running" ?
[11:54] <PCatinean> TheNumb, are you SURE?!
[11:54] <TheNumb> chotaz`w: is it running?
[11:54] <Eightynine> Logically in LTS distro must be LTS kernel. Am I right?
[11:54] <TheNumb> Eightynine: no.
[11:54] <PCatinean> http://hastebin.com/afuvofuyak.vhdl
[11:54] <chotaz`w> TheNumb, shouldn't it be? Since I'm here?
[11:54] <TheNumb> chotaz`w: not necessarily.
[11:54] <TheNumb> dhcpcd/dhclient might be running
[11:55] <Eightynine> I killed Chrome and that strip disappeared but now my desktop began to lag.
[11:55] <PCatinean> TheNumb, so?
[11:55] <TheNumb> PCatinean: doooeeeeet
[11:55] <chotaz`w> TheNumb, also when I go to Startup Applications, both "Network Manager" and "Network Manager(MATE)" are there.
[11:55] <PCatinean> concerned about the linux header images thing
[11:55] <TheNumb> chotaz`w: which version of ubuntu mate are you running?
[11:55] <PCatinean> ok, now what?
[11:55] <chotaz`w> 14.10
[11:56] <TheNumb> chotaz`w: guys over at #ubuntu-mate might be more helpful in that case.
[11:56] <Eightynine> After updating to 3.12 package manager asked me to remove packages that not needed anymore(3.10 packages). I did it and Software update manager disappeared. How to fix this?
[11:56] <TheNumb> PCatinean: relog
[11:57] <TheNumb> Eightynine: did you install gnome from the testing ppa?
[11:57] <OerHeks> PCatinean, restricted extra's installs some ms ttf fonts, i don't think it changes your whole system.
[11:57] <Eightynine> I have Gnome stable and staging repos.
[11:57] <TheNumb> OerHeks: web browser will prefer the actual microsoft fonts for some reason.
[11:57] <TheNumb> Eightynine: don't do that.
[11:57] <TheNumb> Eightynine: packages in those ppas are broken.
[11:57] <Eightynine> Remove them and downgrade?
[11:58] <TheNumb> PCatinean: how did it go?
[11:58] <PCatinean> I...THINK it's back to normal, should have made a damn screenshot!
[11:58] <TheNumb> ^^
[11:58] <Eightynine> Also my fonts are not so good as I expected from Ubuntu.
[11:58] <TheNumb> Eightynine: what did you expect?
[11:59] <MonkeyDust> what's the bash command to change the keyboard layout, again?
[11:59] <janud> hi please can someone help me with driver for touchpad on Acer P256-M?
[11:59] <PCatinean> I think it's okay, what was that crap TheNumb ? :O
[11:59] <Eightynine> Seems like aliasing is not working good.
[11:59] <TheNumb> PCatinean: most likely.
[11:59] <Eightynine> I can see pixels.
[11:59] <TheNumb> Eightynine: to make sure run gnome-tweak-tool
[12:00] <TheNumb> and check the fonts tab
[12:00] <chotaz`w> thanks TheNumb , i've directed my problem there :)
[12:00] <TheNumb> chotaz`w: yw :_
[12:00] <TheNumb> :)
[12:00] <Eightynine> Gnome took 759 MB RAM and CPU loading is up to 15%. Is this Gnome's problem?
[12:01] <TheNumb> yup
[12:01] <TheNumb> Similar results here.
[12:01] <TheNumb> Though it's gotten better in gnome 3.16
[12:01] <TheNumb> It's snappier etc etc
[12:02] <IceBot3000> Gnome really jumped the shark
[12:02] <uhw29> hello all on channel, I found this : http://pastebin.com/TLmNfseW so should I presume that I can be hacked any moment?
[12:02] <Eightynine> I don't remember what distro I used but after updating from 3.10 to 3.12 it began to work much better.
[12:02] <Haris> this box is in a local DC which is 15 mins drive away
[12:02] <Haris> grub install failed
[12:03] <cambazz> hello, I am on ubuntu 12.10 desktop, and I need the latest postgresql. how can i do that without a dist upgrade
[12:03] <Haris> after rebooting it, can I manually get it work ?
[12:03] <Haris> I mean does ubuntu have a repair mode I can boot it into
[12:03] <Haris> via a usb
[12:03] <Haris> to re-config grub
[12:03] <bazhang> cambazz, upgrade, thats not supported here
[12:03] <janud> i have installed ubuntu on my laptop but touchpad is detected only as left button => no right button or multi finger support i have tryed reinstaling synaptic drivers and everyting but its not working :( please can someone help me?
[12:04] <bazhang> !eolupgrade | cambazz
[12:04] <davevanloo> you could load a live envirement and edit grub using utilities that way Haris
[12:04] <TheNumb> uhw29: if you run this script with root privileges then probably. I've only skimmed through.
[12:04] <TheNumb> uhw29: looks like the url no longer works though
[12:05] <Haris> I just hope, I can make this box to boot. I think this is a vmware VM. its hdd is not something I could access physically if it wasn't booting
[12:05] <JackMayol_> hey hey
[12:05] <uhw29> TheNumb, but it is about hacking the root privilege itself, isn't it?
[12:05] <TheNumb> no
[12:05] <Haris> everything ok thus far, accept for ntp and grub failure
[12:05] <davevanloo> aka install a distro-live on a pendrive, boot from it select "try" or something similar ( distro Dependant ) and use some preffered grub tool ( or manually if you feel up to it) ( you can always load a vhd as a second drive in vmware.. )
[12:06] <TheNumb> uhw29: if your kernel is up to date you've got nothing to worry about.
[12:07] <JackMayol> I have a question, I have a folder with around 40000 files and I would want to know how many of those files contain a special string, how do I do that?
[12:07] <Eightynine> So, if Gnome "jumped the shark" as you said, what can I do?
[12:07] <uhw29> TheNumb, I run updates as they come. if that does it, fine.
[12:07] <Haris> accept = except
[12:07] <TheNumb> uhw29: also, looks like the script is not complete.
[12:07] <dewdrop> Hi, I accidentally deleted /usr/share/locale. what is the best way to put files back in?
[12:07] <mcphail> JackMayol: use grep, ack or ag
[12:07] <bazhang> Eightynine, thats not a support question
[12:08] <JackMayol> mcphail ya I was thinking to do it with grep but how exactly?
[12:08] <TheNumb> Eightynine: either wait for 15.10 to come or check out other distributions.
[12:08] <uhw29> TheNumb, thank you for informing me on this.
[12:08] <Eightynine> Why Ubuntu developers wrote tools on Python? Those tools working slow and consume too much resources.
[12:08] <JackMayol> I mean I can do a grep - string *.profile but that will list all the results instead of a number of how many files have this string
[12:09] <SchrodingersScat> JackMayol: grep -c is count
[12:09] <Eightynine> What works better? open-source driver or fglrx?
[12:09] <JackMayol> SchrodingersScat ah ok
[12:09] <TheNumb> Eightynine: /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:09] <TheNumb> Eightynine: this is a support channel
[12:09] <Haris> OK!. Upgraded to VERSION="14.04.2 LTS, Trusty Tahr"
[12:09] <Eightynine> And what about tools?
[12:09] <TheNumb> Eightynine: not general questions channel.
[12:10] <TheNumb> Eightynine: that applies to both of your questions.
[12:10] <Haris> but with errors. do-release-upgrade doesn't run anymore
[12:10] <mcphail> SchrodingersScat: I think that will count a file multiple times if there are multiple matches
[12:10] <Haris> now to reboot :P
[12:10] <TheNumb> Haris: try running apt-get install -f first
[12:10] <TheNumb> see if there's any output
[12:11] <danbower^work> i tend to do updates with `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade`. when i last done this, mailman brought up a little window in my CLI to pick a language. however it just wouldn't progress past the first window so i hit ctrl-c. however `apt-get upgrade` now hangs after "Looking for enabled languages (this may take some time) ... done."
[12:11] <danbower^work> any ideas how i can fix this?
[12:12] <TheNumb> danbower^work: are you sure it was mailman?
[12:12] <danbower^work> pretty sure (this is a dev box)
[12:12] <mcphail> JackMayol: better to use grep -r to recursively search files under a directory than include "*" globs which break if the filenames contain spaces
[12:12] <SchrodingersScat> mcphail JackMayol : it lists the file name that matches and the number of matches, so you could pipe it into | wc -l and get the number of files.
[12:12] <TheNumb> danbower^work: in that case you could try running dpkg-reconfigure mailman
[12:12] <mcphail> SchrodingersScat: you should use grep -l | wc -l
[12:12] <zykotick9> danbower^work: sidenote - personally, i'd suggest "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" as your general upgrade steps (to update everything, including kernel) but YMMV
[12:13] <Haris> http://pastebin.ca/2969809
[12:13] <danbower^work> ok thanks TheNumb.
[12:13] <mcphail> SchrodingersScat: that way you only count wach file once
[12:13] <danbower^work> i'll keep that in mind zykotick9, thank you
[12:13] <mcphail> *each
[12:14] <SchrodingersScat> mcphail: same result as -c
[12:14] <JackMayol> mcphail SchrodingersScat : at the end I just need a number output, not all the files listed
[12:14] <JackMayol> like 1000 (which would be the number of the *.profile files including the string I am looking for)
[12:14] <SchrodingersScat> JackMayol: so grep -l or grep -c pattern list | wc -l
[12:15] <danbower^work> TheNumb, that command returns "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mailman is broken or not fully installed." :/
[12:15] <Haris> where is grub.conf or grub.cfg on 14.x LTS ?
[12:15] <zykotick9> Haris: try /boot/grub/
[12:16] * Haris smacks forehead .. ofcourse
[12:16] <zykotick9> Haris: note, you _might_ actually be looking for /etc/default/grub however!
[12:16] <Haris> that too
[12:17] <JackMayol> SchrodingersScat I get grep: list: No such file or directory
[12:17] <JackMayol> 0
[12:17] <TheNumb> danbower^work: dpkg configure -a
[12:17] <JackMayol> when doing grep -c pattern list | wc -l
[12:17] <JackMayol> sorry I am not the most advanced linux user :)
[12:17] <TheNumb> danbower^work: err --configure
[12:18] <olle> Hey, is this backbox's real channel?
[12:18] <swizgard_> for upgrading from trusty to utopic "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "aptitude full-upgrade"?
[12:18] <TheNumb> olle: what?
[12:18] <zykotick9> swizgard_: neither!
[12:18] <TheNumb> swizgard_: desktop? server?
[12:18] <swizgard_> TheNumb: desktop
[12:18] <TheNumb> update-manager
[12:18] <swizgard_> i see
[12:18] <TheNumb> need to pass -d for upgrade to utopic
[12:18] <TheNumb> no waut
[12:18] <zykotick9> swizgard_: fyi, dist-upgrade and full-upgrade are actually the same. and neither will take you to a new release.
[12:19] <TheNumb> don't add -d
[12:19] <TheNumb> ugh
[12:19] <bazhang> TheNumb, thats not correct
[12:19] <TheNumb> derped
[12:19] <Haris> nothing of consequence in /etc/default/grub
[12:19] <TheNumb> bazhang: yeah, I realized that.
[12:19] <TheNumb> Too much time off ubuntu space :(
[12:19] <swizgard_> zykotick9: if i change the sources.list's first, they will
[12:19] <swizgard_> but i will try update-manager
[12:20] <zykotick9> swizgard_: oh, well, that _is_ different. but NOT the recommended ubuntu-way...
[12:20] <TheNumb> swizgard_: an upgrade is more complicated that just changing the sources.list
[12:20] <TheNumb> *than
[12:20] <swizgard_> but only "update-mime" is installed
[12:20] <TheNumb> !upgrade
[12:20] <danbower^work> thanks TheNumb. it's actually hanging after "Looking for enabled languages (this may take some time) ... done." with that command too. i have left it for an hour or so, it doesn't progress :/
[12:20] <Haris> what's grub-pc ?
[12:21] <TheNumb> danbower^work: have you tried regenerating the locales?
[12:21] <Haris> State: partially configured
[12:21] <danbower^work> TheNumb, no i haven't. not too sure how to do that
[12:22] <Haris> a box can boot without grub-pc or with it having been in partially configured state, right ?
[12:22] <Haris> after a do-release-upgrade
[12:22] <swizgard_> (ah, kubuntu does use muon update manager...)
[12:22] <TheNumb> danbower^work: did you remove /usr/share/locale ?
[12:22] <TheNumb> or /usr/share/locales
[12:22] <Haris> ah well ... rebooting
[12:22] <Haris> do I need to reboot ?
[12:23] <TheNumb> Haris: you do.
[12:23] <TheNumb> You should reboot after an upgrade.
[12:23] <danbower^work> TheNumb, nope. i only killed the install once i got stuck in that mailman window
[12:24] <danbower^work> s/install/upgrade
[12:24] <Haris> http://pastebin.ca/2969815
[12:24] <swizgard_> Haris: re: reboot and grub. i would check /boot/grub/grub.cfg and the kernels/ramdisks which are linked there
[12:25] <TheNumb> swizgard_: he said it's a vmware vm.
[12:26] <TheNumb> danbower^work: does it actually finish looking?
[12:26] <Haris> the kernel, initrd files exist
[12:27] <Haris> I'm jut worrying if grub will work
[12:27] <danbower^work> TheNumb, nah i've left it for ages mate
[12:27] <TheNumb> hmm
[12:27] <Haris> a previous version of kernel, initrd also exist. I shoudl not worry
[12:27] <Haris> should+
[12:28] <swizgard_> TheNumb: sorry, didn't read
[12:29] <danbower^work> i'm actually using virtualmin on this dev box. perhaps it'd be better if i ask in the relevant channel for that
[12:29] <TheNumb> danbower^work: try running apt-get install -f
[12:29] <davevanloo> dont forget to sudo! :)
[12:30] <TheNumb> nah
[12:30] <TheNumb> real men work on root accounts ;p
[12:30] <davevanloo> true lol
[12:30] <daftykins> TheNumb: stupid statement
[12:30] <danbower^work> TheNumb, unfortunately that still results in the "Looking for enabled languages (this may take some time) ... done." then hanging
[12:30] <danbower^work> amusing though
[12:30] <daftykins> stupid and sexist
[12:30] <davevanloo> TheNumb. how would i make my account root by default?
[12:30] <danbower^work> sudo su
[12:31] <daftykins> no, don't ever run that
[12:31] <TheNumb> daftykins: just joking ;p
[12:31] <daftykins> it's sudo -i or -s
[12:31] <davevanloo> daftykins i do not think it is sexist
[12:31] <TheNumb> danbower^work: I'm out of ideas, sorry :(
[12:31] <danbower^work> no worries, really appreciate the help anyway :) thanks
[12:31] <MrElendig> davevanloo: why do you want to do that?
[12:31] <daftykins> davevanloo: good for you :)
[12:32] <Haris> even after do-release-upgade, when I login as root on console, it says 492 packages can be updated
[12:32] <Haris> o_O
[12:32] <davevanloo> i would preffer not to have to sudo.., mainly as a usefull thing.. being in root by default.. is usefull.. understanding the security risks it might bring daftykins
[12:32] <daftykins> davevanloo: you 100% missed the point
[12:33] <davevanloo> daftykins: ooh.. then please explain :)
[12:33] <daftykins> nah we're beyond that now. back to support thanks
[12:33] <zamba> how do i change the keyboard layout in the latest version of ubuntu?
[12:33] <zamba> i don't have the icon in the systray
[12:34] <zamba> and system settings only has "language support" and nothing there about changing keyboard layout
[12:34] <davevanloo> well my support question was"how can i set my user account to be root by default, aka no more sudo-ing needed"
[12:34] <Eightynine> There are dumbfucks and trolls on that channel. What about my problem with Gnome?
[12:34] <zamba> the only thing i see is "keyboard input method system"
[12:34] <daftykins> !language Eightynine pretty sure we've warned you about using language in here before :)
[12:34] <danbower^work> in all seriousness davevanloo, lurking as root isn't wise
[12:34] <daftykins> bah typo
[12:34] <daftykins> !language | Eightynine pretty sure we've warned you about using language in here before :)
[12:34] <geirha> davevanloo: We don't support that.
[12:34] <davevanloo> Eightynine: we gave you an answere on what to do.., kill all chrome process and watch to see if you can reproduce.. and how it comes to that
[12:35] <daftykins> davevanloo: yeah you need to just get used to using 'sudo -i' or similar.
[12:35] <nbusrone> may I know , what's the different between clone and backup on ubuntu ? example tar -cvpzf backup.tar.gz vs dd if=/ of=/ ?
[12:35] <daftykins> nbusrone: one is archiving, one is disk imaging
[12:35] <davevanloo> danbower^work and geirha " ok then, thank you.., i am used to using sudo.., and i understand the security risks. so also why it would be stupid to do so.. :)"
[12:35] <daftykins> vastly different actions
[12:36] <Eightynine> I killed it and launched again. I have no Software update manager.It's not handy to update using terminal
[12:36] <danbower^work> davevanloo, well if you mistype an rm -rf command you'll feel the pain
[12:36] <geirha> or if you run steam ...
[12:36] <davevanloo> danbower^work "ooh hell yes! :P"
[12:36] <davevanloo> wait.. run steam?
[12:36] <davevanloo> why would i be in pain for running steam.. as sudo?
[12:37] <davevanloo> Eightynine: you can install an software update manager to your liking.. and yes.. using a terminal just that one time.. o.O
[12:37] <daftykins> because they had a bug a bit ago which wipes your system
[12:37] <geirha> daftykins: steam for linux had a bug ... a shell script relied on "$0", and used an rm -rf later on ... which ended up as rm -rf /
[12:37] <nbusrone> daftykins : but would it be the same ? sorry new to ubuntu .
[12:37] <daftykins> geirha: tab complete fail.
[12:37] <geirha> in some circumstances
[12:37] <davevanloo> dang.. :P
[12:37] <geirha> since $0 is unreliable
[12:38] <danbower^work> oh wow
[12:38] <danbower^work> :D
[12:38] <daftykins> nbusrone: same as what? both are bad ways of backup
[12:38] <Eightynine> How to install it?
[12:39] <MonkeyDust> Eightynine install what?
[12:39] <Eightynine> Update manager.
[12:39] <davevanloo> "a" software update manager correct?
[12:40] <MonkeyDust> Eightynine it should be there by default, unless you deleted it
[12:40] <Eightynine> Of course. English is not my native but even I know that there was a mistake.
[12:40] <davevanloo> i think sudo apt-get install update-manager and yes.. it should only be needed if you deleted it before yourself.. as nearly all distro's come with one..
[12:40] <Eightynine> Package manager deleted one of them during update.
[12:41] <davevanloo> then try sudo apt-get install update-manager it should tell you if its already there.. or install it..
[12:41] <MonkeyDust> Eightynine that doesnt make sense
[12:42] <Eightynine> Maybe there's upgrade manager too? It says I already have update-manager.
[12:43] <davevanloo> then it did not get installed.. and it should still be avaible.. if you cannot find it in your shell.. simply run update-manager in a terminal
[12:43] <davevanloo> un-installed*
[12:43] <Haris> how to check if a service will auto start on next boot or not ?
[12:44] <Haris> there's no chkconfig I believe
[12:44] <davevanloo> services.msc!
[12:44] * davevanloo hides in a corner
[12:45] <davevanloo> sorry hehe, it just popped in my mind :), in a serious note.. http://www.linuxtopia.org/HowToGuides/services.html might help you.. :)
[12:45] <Eightynine> I think there were two managers: an update manager which updates libs and docs, etc and upgrade manager which updates system and software, I lost second one.
[12:47] <MonkeyDust> Haris this makes all startup services visible, you can then easily enable/disable them sudo sed -i 's/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g' /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[12:47] <Eightynine> So what?
[12:48] <davevanloo> Eightynine: well repeat the same process as you did with update manager, i do not know for certain if they are different though.. did you even try what i suggested?
[12:49] <Eightynine> Yes, it didn't help. I'm using russian version and don't know how that manager called in english.
[12:50] <Eightynine> I'll try to translate, one was Update applications and the second was Update software or Software update.
[12:50] <davevanloo> perhaps the channel #ubuntu-ru could give you more specific information then? i am uncertain though if program/package names change with language though
[12:51] <davevanloo> running software from the terminal is done using package names, and not using "translated" names like you might find in the general config pannel of your shell
[12:52] <davevanloo> so triggering apt-get install upgrade-manager ( if it exists and is not part of update-manager ) should have been sufficient..
[12:52] <Eightynine> Can you please check if you have those programms installed?
[12:52] <davevanloo> will do
[12:53] <davevanloo> negative, upgrade-manager does not exist on my install
[12:53] <davevanloo> update-manager does..
[12:53] <Eightynine> Usually I couldn't get answers on russian channels.
[12:54] <davevanloo> in a terminal type update-manager it should bring up the update manager and allow you to update ( you could say that is "upgrade" )
[12:55] <Eightynine> It launches Update applications
[12:55] <davevanloo> Eightynine: yes.. so you have all the software needed to "upgrade"
[12:56] <davevanloo> if any one else would like to jump in and help Eightynine out further.. i need to go afk for a little while
[12:56] <Eightynine> Good luck
[13:01] <Eightynine> Entered russian channel and asked.
[13:02] <nbusrone> daftykins : which method is the best for backup ?
[13:02] <Rory> Am I missing something painfully obvious when creating a symbolic link to a directory? ln -s /source/directory/foo /target/directory/
[13:02] <Rory> cd target/directory/foo "no such file or directory"
[13:02] <Rory> file target/directory/foo - broken symbolic link to source/directory/foo
[13:02] <Rory> file source/directory/foo: directory
[13:03] <nbusrone> daftykins : actually , my intention wasn't just backup.I wanted to move my Ubuntu 14.04 installed on sda4 extended partition to my sda2 primary partition.
[13:03] <ubuntu754> hello, i need your help guys
[13:03] <Rory> foo I would not want to be you in this channel
[13:03] <daftykins> nbusrone: no that sounds like a very messy attempt
[13:04] <Eightynine> Nobody is responding there.
[13:04] <zykotick9> Rory: i'd suggest "cd /target/directory && ln -s /source/directory/foo"
[13:04] <hkrrsx> morning
[13:04] <daftykins> Eightynine: not our concern.
[13:05] <Rory> OK zykotick9 I will try that
[13:05] <nbusrone> daftykins : :( , guess only clean install my final option
[13:05] <ubuntu754> i have lubuntu on my netbook, i just loaded and the screen shows a very small desktop
[13:05] <zykotick9> Rory: that trailing / on /target/directory/ may be causing issue... i think it expect an entire name so /target/directory/foo
[13:05] <ubuntu754> is not the resolution, but the watchable area
[13:05] <Rory> Thanks zykotick9 that worked - I think it's to do with relative path names
[13:06] <ubuntu754> how i can reset the screen area?
[13:07] <ubuntu754> how i can reset the screen area? thank you
[13:07] <daftykins> nbusrone: not until you explain the full situation right from the beginning :) and to the channel, as i'm going to enjoy the sunshine
[13:08] <ubuntu754> how i can reset the screen area? thank you
[13:09] <Rory> ubuntu754: What do you mean by "reset the screen area" ?
[13:09] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu754 idd, not sure what you mean... try arandr
[13:09] <ubuntu754> @rory i mean that the resolution is ok but the watchable area is like 800x600
[13:10] <Rory> ubuntu754: MonkeyDust's suggestion of arandr is a good one, then. use the command "sudo apt-get -y install arandr" to install it, and then run it with "arandr" - you will see a graphical interfact to drag and arrange monitors
[13:10] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu754 is that a laptop or a desktop? if it's a desktop, try the buttons on your monitor
[13:13] <Haris> the VM is booting. I was wrong to worry about anything
[13:13] <baxx> I need to chown a directory - I'm just wondering if this is the right command given the user vco : sudo chown -R vco:vco/home/vco/Android
[13:14] <Eightynine> Why aptitude is not available in Ubuntu,
[13:14] <k1l> Eightynine: apt-get is the standard cli tool
[13:14] <michagogo> Has there been a grub-related update in the past 48 hours?
[13:14] <MonkeyDust> Haris vmware ot vbox?
[13:15] <MonkeyDust> Haris vmware or vbox?
[13:15] <Haris> vmware
[13:15] <k1l> baxx: do a space between vco and /home
[13:15] <baxx> k1l: cool cheers :)
[13:17] <MonkeyDust> Haris in case you use virtual machines alot, take a look at Vagrant https://docs.vagrantup.com/
[13:17] <ubuntu064> Hi there, anyone has experience with sendmail?
[13:18] <nalum> hello all, does anyone know if python 2.7.9 will every be made available to ubuntu 14.04?
[13:18] <Haris> does touch /forcefsck work on ubuntu ?
[13:18] <baxx> k1l: how can I test that has worked for a file within the given directory?
[13:19] <Haris> for forcing fsck on next reboot
[13:19] <k1l> baxx: see ls -al /path/to/file
[13:19] <Haris> guys ?
[13:19] <k1l> Haris: "it just works"
[13:20] <k1l> Haris: what do you want to know exactly?
[13:20] <Haris> how to force fsck on next reboot
[13:20] <ubuntu754> Rory
[13:20] <k1l> you already named the technic
[13:20] <Haris> =)
[13:21] <baxx> k1l: all the names are listed as the user 'vco' but things still aren't working for vco as they do for sudo, I'll post a link to info 2 secs
[13:21] <k1l> touch /forcefsck works for ext3/4 partitions
[13:22] <Rory> ubuntu754: hello, yes?
[13:22] <Rory> You can set a more friendly nickname with the "/nick" command - for example to change my name to Rory I typed "/nick Rory" (without the quotes)
[13:23] <Haris> how to check if a service will auto start on next reboot or not ?
[13:24] <Haris> on 12.x LTS
[13:24] <MonkeyDust> Haris this makes all startup services visible, you can then easily enable/disable them sudo sed -i 's/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g' /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[13:25] <Haris> postfix is not in it
[13:25] <baxx> k1l: Heres a pasteit with the Info, wasn't sure of the best way to show this info : http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782669/
[13:27] <EriC^^> Haris: not sure how you could check if it will start next time or not, you could just update-rc.d enable it to be sure
[13:27] <patricio> hola
[13:27] <EriC^^> !upstart | Haris or check here
[13:27] <Haris> reading =)
[13:27] <EriC^^> cool :)
[13:28] <Haris> when I run update-rc.d postfix enable, it gives me the help menu
[13:29] <Haris> on usage
[13:29] <Rory> ubuntu754: hello, yes?
[13:29] <Haris> damn, its going to download 930+ packages all over again
[13:30] <Haris> minus the damn part
[13:30] <EriC^^> Haris: update-rc.d postfix enable
[13:30] <EriC^^> ah nevermind
[13:31] <EriC^^> Haris: odd, it works here
[13:31] <k1l> baxx: you are using a proxy?
[13:31] <Haris> I'm running it on another .. more older box
[13:32] <Haris> what is NN, SS KK part in the update-rc.d command
[13:32] <k1l> baxx: please do a "ls -al" in the vco users home and see what folder and files are owned by root:root
[13:32] <meast> /disconnect
[13:32] <Haris> what's a two digit sequence number
[13:33] <Haris> I mean I have to say 03 or 05 for 3 and 5 runlevel respectively ?
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> Haris what was your initial, wheat brought you here?
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> Haris what was your initial question, what brought you here?
[13:34] <Haris> enable parameter was not present in the old version of the OS
[13:34] <Haris> MonkeyDust ntp failing because of a shared library not able to do file_mmap operation
[13:34] <Haris> at a time when selinux was disabled
[13:34] <Haris> and still is btw
[13:35] <MonkeyDust> Haris nothing seems to work on your system, i wonder how that's possible
[13:35] <Haris> well, its working for the most part
[13:35] <Haris> only ntp is not working
[13:35] <Haris> :D
[13:35] <Haris> the /tmp/upgrade-* references are now gone
[13:35] <Haris> re-running do-release-upgrade
[13:36] <Haris> I'm talking about two separate boxes here
[13:36] <Haris> on one, I'm running do-release-upgrade. its the box where ntp is not starting
[13:36] <Haris> on another box, I'm just trying to make sure postfix starts on next bootup (which I'v completed btw)
[13:37] <baxx> k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782739/
[13:38] <Haris> working on one box to make it available for cassandra
[13:40] <Haris> I just talk too much
[13:40] <baxx> k1l: I'm not using a proxy, I'm currently having to sudo ./android in order to start the sdk manager though
[13:40] <chotaz`w> Is is possible to compare the currently installed packages vs the ones that come installed by default?
[13:40] <jpds> Haris: Ubuntu doesn't even come with SELinux.
[13:40] <baxx> chotaz`w: dpkg might let you do that.... maybe if you ran it on a fresh VM you could get the original packages?
[13:41] <k1l> baxx: stop using sudo for that stuff
[13:41] <Haris> well, this is 12.x LTS
[13:41] <Haris> precise has it in its repo
[13:41] <baxx> k1l: it doesn't work without it though :/
[13:41] <k1l> baxx: your are just ruining your permissions like that.
[13:41] <jpds> Haris: Ubuntu has never ever shipped with support for SELinux.
[13:41] <k1l> baxx: sudo chown vco:vco /home/vco/.android
[13:41] <chotaz`w> baxx, I'm just desperate trying to figure out why "Network manager is not running..." and the service failts to initialize on startup and whenever I manually run it, I just lose connection
[13:42] <Haris> I'm not sure if selinux is causing the denial in audit log. but something is
[13:42] <k1l> baxx: sudo chown -R vco:vco /home/vco/.android
[13:42] <Haris> as I said, selinux is disabled before I touched this box
[13:42] <Haris> s/is/was/g
[13:42] <baxx> chotaz`w: I'm no expert and can't help you with anything tricky, but what I posted might enable you to view the originally installed packages if noone else posts anything, I think I have a script somewhere for it
[13:43] <Haris> I installed selinux-utils to have the getenforce utility to confirm if it was enabled/disabled
[13:43] <Haris> only libselinux was installed before that, I believe
[13:43] <baxx> chotaz`w: see this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782778/
[13:43] <baxx> chotaz`w: obviously read it and understand it first, I've not fully got it myself but I think that will back the packages up
[13:44] <Haris> I ran do-release-ugprade before, but it was aborted at the last stages while I was selecting options for grub. I'm running it again
[13:44] <baxx> k1l: thanks for that, I ran it on the others, I'll run it on that now
[13:44] <Haris> do-release-upgrade goes well, except for ntp error. it remains the same
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> chotaz`w: wich package are you trying to compare
[13:45] <chotaz`w> lotuspsychje, I'll repeat my previous line
[13:45] <chotaz`w> lotuspsychje, I'm just desperate trying to figure out why "Network manager is not running..." and the service failts to initialize on startup and whenever I manually run it, I just lose connection
[13:46] <baxx> k1l: are things that I have installed using the previous method going to cause me issues? Should I delete everything and start again? thanks :)
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> chotaz`w: ubuntu version?
[13:46] <k1l> baxx: ?
[13:46] <k1l> baxx: if you install 3rd party stuff its your responibility to look after it
[13:47] <baxx> k1l: I've installed some of the packages running the SDK manager as sudo, I was just wondering if that was something that should be re-done with the chown settings
[13:47] <chotaz`w> lotuspsychje, UbuntuMATE 14.10, I've tried #ubuntu-mate but we're clueless there, for now.
[13:47] <k1l> that should be sorted with the chown command now
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> chotaz`w: did you try 14.04.2 if you have same issue?
[13:48] <baxx> k1l: ok cool, I would have been happy to just wipe everything and start again if I'd buggered it as I haven't done that much. thanks though
[13:50] <chotaz`w> lotuspsychje, thing is there are work-deployd ubuntu-mate bundled laptops, everybody on the company runs the same, and this is just happening on a specific computer, which has a manually configured interface to connect to a VM, could that cause said issues? here's /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/sZ0vJqAD
[13:50] <chotaz`w> these are*
[13:50] <Haris> rebooting after successful do-release-upgrade
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> chotaz`w: not sure mate, i dont play with VM's much
[13:51] <Haris> Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.13.0-49-generic x86_64)
[13:51] <davevanloo> allright.. im back Eightynine, did you get your problem resolved or question(s) answered?
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> Haris: plz use this channel only for support questions
[13:52] <Haris> ok
[13:52] <chotaz`w> lotuspsychje, the VM is just what I'm connecting to, I think it shoulnt have anything to do with said network interface and manager. I might be wrong.
[13:52] <Haris> hmm
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> chotaz`w: did you try F1 at boot to see whats happening to network-manager exactly? check your syslog? dmesg?
[13:53] <Haris> on 14.x LTS is systemd working or sysvinit ?
[13:54] <k1l> Haris: upstart
[13:54] <Haris> ah ok
[13:55] <ubuntu754> hello i need your help guys, i have a netbook I just boot the system, the resolution of the screen is correct (1024x600), but the watchable area it looks like 800x600 except for the bottom bar, how i can reset the screen?
[13:55] <Haris> ntp was removed during upgrade process. installing it
[13:55] <mojtaba> Hi, Do you know how can I disable my keyboard and assign a shortcut to it to re-enable it later?
[13:55] <Haris> ntp started perfectly fine now. no errors
[13:56] <mojtaba> I know how to do this for trackpad. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782838/
[13:56] <Haris> is that apt-get upgrade -f after do-release-upgrade ?
[13:56] <mojtaba> (I need this feature because of my 1 yr son.)
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | ubuntu754
[13:57] <Haris> have a consistent box after upgrade
[13:57] <Haris> to trusty
[13:58] <Haris> finally!
[13:58] <ubuntu754> Xrandr is auto
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> mojtaba after you disbaled your keyboard, you cannot use it for a keyboard shortcut
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu754: did you try xrandr --auto ?
[13:59] <Haris> now I can install cassandra, datastax community and call it a day
[13:59] <Haris> hehe
[13:59] <mojtaba> MonkeyDust: may be with mouse
[13:59] <ubuntu754> lotuspsychje: yes and is set as auto
[14:00] <Haris> I have to stop doing that
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu754: can this help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/62483/some-windows-dont-fit-on-1024x600-what-can-i-do
[14:01] <chotaz`w> lotuspsychje, i wouldnt know I could try such approaches, I'll do some reading on that, thanks for the tip
[14:02] <ubuntu754> lotuspsychje: let me try, i'll let you know
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> chotaz`w: if you find out whats the error on why network-manager doesnt start, someone might be able to help better
[14:04] <Mp3IsIntheHouse> does networkmanager keeps logs of it??
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Mp3IsIntheHouse: syslog
[14:09] <ubuntu754> lotuspsychje: no it didn't work
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu754: i read alot of issues on 1024x600 screens that doesnt fit, even a bug on it
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu754: maybe add more modes to xrandr?
[14:12] <acro458> When I boot ubuntu from disk, it goes straight to ubuntu desktop. Doesnt ask if i want to install. How do I install it on the machine? There is a shortcut on the desktop for "Install Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS", but it does absolutely nothing (typical)
[14:13] <acro458> I am trying to install it on an esxi vsphere server
[14:13] <ubuntu754> lotuspsychje: but before update to 14.04 it used to be ok, and untile this morning until i closed the lid, tonight i reopened and the screen and it is messed up
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu754: maybe try the grub recoverymode/ fix broken packages ?
[14:14] <ubuntu754> lotuspsychje: i'll try
[14:15] <acro458> When I boot ubuntu from disk, it goes straight to ubuntu desktop. Doesnt ask if i want to install. How do I install it on the machine? There is a shortcut on the desktop for "Install Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS", but it does absolutely nothing (typical)
[14:16] <Haris> *whew*
[14:16] <Haris> box upgraded. ntp issue resolved. cassandra installed. work completed
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> acro458 it's not typical... maybe try to install from the file manager
[14:17] <Haris> with toom much talk and eating your brains
[14:17] <Haris> thanks all
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> a beer for Haris !
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> Haris what caused the ntp issue?
[14:18] <Haris> no idea. it was resolved during do-release-upgrade
[14:18] <Haris> ntp was removed. libs removed
[14:18] <Haris> I manually installed ntp later on
[14:19] <acro458> Ok...........so how do I "install from the file manager" ? Got a link?
[14:20] <EriC^^> acro458: what are you trying to do?
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> acro458 open file manager, go to the Desktop folder, click the install button
[14:20] <acro458> I just want to install ubuntu desktop on my esxi host.....
[14:20] <k1l> acro458: what ubuntu iso is that, did you test the md5sum?
[14:21] <acro458> md5sum correct
[14:21] <k1l> ah, so its esxi
[14:21] <acro458> ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso downloaded from ubuntu website
[14:21] <acro458> yes, esxi
[14:21] <exelsius> how I can fix broken ubuntu repositories to install sendmail http://pastebin.com/qGu6QVYM
[14:22] <bitcycle> Hey all. I've got several ubuntu hosts with php version that seems like it was upgraded recently. Where can I view the package upgrade history for Ubuntu?
[14:22] <k1l> exelsius: see whats the issue with sendmail-bin
[14:23] <exelsius> k1l
[14:23] <EriC^^> bitcycle: /var/log/apt/history.log
[14:23] <k1l> exelsius: i am not familiar with esxi setups and what special treatment they need
[14:23] <YvesLevier> Thx for me too Eric
[14:23] <EriC^^> no problem :)
[14:26] <h00k> acro458: go ahead and ask again, I think it has to do with your installation media and not your ESXi - that's an Ubuntu specific issue
[14:29] <h00k> acro458: http://askubuntu.com/questions/501505/ubuntu-14-04-errno-5-input-output-error-during-installation - I know you said you checked your ISO md5hash in #vmware, but it really sounds to be the issue
[14:30] <Brivelt> hello, I do have an issue setting up a new ssh user. I created the user, and added my public key to the authorized_keys file of the new ubuntu user, the user is also in the sshusers group, which are allowed to connect via ssh. But I get permission denied (publickey) error.
[14:31] <ljhdfofdnisdjos> lol
[14:33] <EriC^^> Brivelt: shouldn't the authorized_keys file be in the ssh server?
[14:35] <Brivelt> EriC^^: It is. I created a new user on Ubuntu. In /home/newuser/.ssh/authorized_keys I added my public key which is generated on my dev computer.
[14:36] <Brivelt> The newuser is also added to the group called sshusers, since my sshd_config only allow users to conenct from the sshusers group.
[14:36] <EriC^^> Brivelt: are you ssh'ing from the dev to the new user?
[14:37] <Kenb> Does anyone have knowledge about bluetooth USB Roper Class 1 driver?
[14:37] <Brivelt> EriC^^: yes I am. $ ssh newuser@remoteserver.com
[14:38] <Kenb> Rather does anyone also know of the cheapest USB bluetooth that works perfect OOB with Ubuntu 14.04?
[14:39] <k1l> exelsius: sorry, mixed your nick with acro
[14:39] <IceBot3000> Kenb: In which Country do you reside?
[14:39] <MonkeyDust> Kenb better ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:39] <k1l> exelsius: try to install sendmail-bin and see what error comes up
[14:39] <Kenb> US
[14:39] <Kenb> Ok
[14:40] <IceBot3000> Sorry can't help then, I have free healthcare
[14:40] <qbrix> "free"
[14:40] <qbrix> but you're taxed into oblivion
[14:41] <Haris> the rich should pay their share of taxes, and the common man all over the world will be ok
[14:41] <Haris> but I digress
[14:41] <somsip> qbrix: it's a bot
[14:41] * Haris goes back to work
[14:41] <qbrix> :(
[14:41] <somsip> !ops | IceBot3000 (is a bot)
[14:42] <Haris> ah, another talker. lol
[14:42] <IceBot3000> Do I need to pass the Turing test?
[14:43] <Haris> lol A bot running firefox on windows
[14:43] <Haris> A = @
[14:43] <goddard_> why is it i have no sound when watching netflix videos but i have sound on youtube and stuff
[14:47] <Haris> finally .. time to go home
[14:47] <Haris> thank you all, for bearing me one more day
[14:47] <Haris> have a pleasant day. I'll rest the rest of the evening
[14:50] <ulkesh> anyone get the 3.13.0-49 kernel update and having issues with xorg-edgers nvidia-346 (and X/Unity not starting properly)? I understand if xorg-edgers isn't supported here, just mainly curious (this kernel update released today or yesterday I believe and I have a friend whose nvidia driver isn't playing nice with it)
[14:51] <goddard_> why is it i have no sound when watching netflix videos but i have sound on youtube and stuff
[14:54] <Nomikos> hello, I have a hopefully reasonably simple question, there is a nameserver line in /etc/resolv.conf which I want to remove
[14:55] <Nomikos> it's not set in resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/*, I don't know where it /is/ set
[14:55] <MonkeyDust> Nomikos sudo -e /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[14:56] <Nomikos> MonkeyDust: what's that do?
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> Nomikos change/remove nameserver, then: sudo resolvconf -u
[14:56] <Nomikos> yeah, but the wrong nameserver isn't in that file, only the right one
[14:56] <Nomikos> there are two nameservers listed, the one from base comes second
[14:57] <genii> Probably pulls the nameserver in from dhcp server
[14:57] <Nomikos> MonkeyDust: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10783234/
[14:58] <MonkeyDust> Nomikos moment, virtual machine eats all the resources
[14:59] <MonkeyDust> Nomikos ok, use the trick I suggested above
[15:00] <Nomikos> genii: this is from /etc/network/dhclient.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/10783253/
[15:00] <Nomikos> MonkeyDust: it doesn't come from the resolvconf/base file
[15:01] <Nomikos> MonkeyDust: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/10783234/ - the one I want to remove is 192.168.178.1 but I can't tell where it's set
[15:02] <Nomikos> genii: do I take domain-name-servers and dhcp6.name-servers out of that second pastebin link?
[15:03] <MonkeyDust> Nomikos idd, that's odd
[15:04] <Nomikos> suspect it's something local to that machine, the router settings only list 0.0.0.0 as dns servers
[15:04] <cnnx> how come a default install of ubuntu comes wiht advertsiement from amazon? is ubuntu getting paid for this?
[15:04] <monojin> cnnx: yes. It's a grating and inefficient partnership but you can turn it off
[15:05] * Nomikos tries turning it off and on again
[15:05] <Nomikos> o_O that worked.
[15:05] <Nomikos> thanks all!
[15:06] <monojin> !amazon | cnnx
[15:06] <cnnx> also when im in irssi and try to do alt-f2 for example to swithc windows it doesnt work
[15:06] <cnnx> so i installed xchat now
[15:06] <genii> Nomikos: Apologies, my work is too busy right now for me to properly address the issue. It does seem you are being assisted by another helper though.
[15:06] <Nomikos> genii: no worries, thanks :-) it fixed itself somehow
[15:07] <k1l> cnnx: see systemsettings -> privacy settings
[15:12] <MonkeyDust> cnnx alt-f2 invokes the run-prompt in ubuntu
[15:13] <MonkeyDust> cnnx alt left-arrow switches screens in irssi
[15:15] <[976497]A> what kind of change makes "\:" in 'sudo chown nobody\: file' command? is it some kind of mistake?
[15:15] <cnnx> MonkeyDust, ok its not the same as gentoo then
[15:16] <cfhowlett> cnnx, xchat is abandonware. hexchat is the supported replacement
[15:16] <k1l> !info hexchat
[15:16] <p1und3r> erc++
[15:19] <cnnx> ok that works, its alt-left arrow
[15:20] <zertyui> hi
[15:20] <zertyui> htop
[15:21] <zertyui> is it possible to identify the swap occupation ?
[15:21] <TheNumb> hi powertop
[15:21] <TheNumb> zertyui: free -m
[15:23] <zertyui> yes
[15:23] <Guest29> ？
[15:23] <zertyui> but i would like to identify the ressource occupation of swap disk?
[15:24] <MonkeyDust> zertyui you mean what it's being used for?
[15:24] <zertyui> yes
[15:29] <Lope> how can I delete the old /var/cache/apt/archives files but keep the current ones?
[15:30] <genii> Lope: See http://www.bedroomlan.org/coding/cleaning-debian-apt-archive-cache
[15:35] <Lope> thanks
[15:37] <jeffreylevesque> what is the /etc/init directory?
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> jeffreylevesque what do you mean by "what is?"
[15:39] <jeffreylevesque> the directory contains files to be executed when the machine starts up?
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> jeffreylevesque type ls /etc/init.d/
[15:42] <jeffreylevesque> "/etc/init contains configuration files used by Upstart"
[15:45] <genii> jeffreylevesque: Originally the /etc/init.d held all the startup scripts. They were started using the system V init or sysvinit method. /etc/init was added when Upstart came. Upstart scripts are done first, then all the old style ones are executed as another Upstart job. In the new one of systemd it will revert again to the /etc/init.d
[15:45] <Kaby> hello guys
[15:45] <jeffreylevesque> I'm using ubuntu 14.04
[15:46] <jeffreylevesque> so, i suppose upstart is more favorable then init.d
[15:46] <Kaby> i am facing a problem on ubuntu 14.10 with wifi , each 5 or 10 min my connection stops i have to reconnect to get my internet any suggestions ?
[15:46] <genii> jeffreylevesque: Upstart can load things in parallel while init.d linear
[15:48] <jeffreylevesque> genii: will upstart replace init.d?
[15:48] <k1l> jeffreylevesque: upstart did replace sysvinit
[15:49] <k1l> jeffreylevesque: but form 15.04 upstart will be replaced by systemd
[15:49] <jeffreylevesque> k1l, is sysvinit is init.d?
[15:50] <jeffreylevesque> is sysvinit the same as init.d
[15:50] <pinumbernumber> The System Monitor tool tracks total network data received/sent. What timeframe is this? Calendar day? Last 24 hours? Since last boot?
[15:50] <k1l> jeffreylevesque: /etc/init.d is the folder where the start/stop scripts are stored
[15:51] <jeffreylevesque> ok
[15:51] <k1l> and yes, its from sysvinit. upstart still can handle the old scripts
[15:51] <jeffreylevesque> sysvinit searches init.d
[15:51] <jeffreylevesque> upstart searches init
[15:51] <k1l> jeffreylevesque: sysvinit is deprecated on ubuntu
[15:52] <anurizm> Hello
[15:52] <k1l> ubuntu switched to upstart some time ago and will switch to systemd form 15.04 on. sysvinit days are really far "back then"
[15:53] <jeffreylevesque> k1l: which version of ubuntu stopped used sysvinit, and 15.04 will replace upstart?
[15:53] <rosco_y> How do I mount a micro-sd ?
[15:53] <k1l> jeffreylevesque: like i told before: upstart still can use the old sysvinit scripts.
[15:54] <k1l> jeffreylevesque: and i told you 3 times not that form 15.04 on systemd will be the default.
[15:54] <EriC^^> rosco_y: type lsblk and see if it's there
[15:54] <rosco_y> Eric --ty :)
[15:54] <Fr3d3r1c> hello, after freeze, i had to do rebooting my pc but the logitech of ubuntu is broken
[15:54] <k1l> rosco_y: gvfs should do that automatically
[15:54] <Fr3d3r1c> how do i fix the probleme please
[15:55] <EriC^^> rosco_y: np :)
[15:55] <MonkeyDust> Fr3d3r1c what's the logitech? the mouse?
[15:55] <rosco_y> Eric, I see sda and partitions, sdb and partition, and sr0
[15:55] <EriC^^> rosco_y: what's the size of sdb?
[15:56] <rosco_y> Oh, you're right--I think that's it--I thought it was my second hd
[15:56] <Fr3d3r1c> it's a ubuntu software to lead installation of the program
[15:56] <rosco_y> I'll see if I can mount that
[15:56] <EriC^^> ok
[15:57] <MonkeyDust> Fr3d3r1c logitech is a company, if i'm not mistaken
[15:58] <Fr3d3r1c> software manager is broken on my ubuntu
[15:58] <rosco_y> mount is complaining: "wrong fs type".
[15:58] <MonkeyDust> Fr3d3r1c the software center? what happens when you try to use it?
[15:59] <rosco_y> I think I'll go and do it on my wife's Windows box, it dumbs it down enough for people like me :)
[15:59] <rosco_y> Thanks Eric!
[16:00] <chotaz`w> does the hosts file support wildcards?
[16:02] <keevitaja> hi, using unity and left dash is auto hidden. i also have docky. each time i launch something from the dock, the application icon slides littlebit out from the left dash. is it possible to disable this animation?
[16:03] <papathth> list
[16:03] <MonkeyDust> keevitaja unity-tweak-tool
[16:04] <keevitaja> MonkeyDust i have set all animations none there
[16:05] <MonkeyDust> keevitaja ccsm is more advanced
[16:06] <MonkeyDust> !ccsm
[16:07] <keevitaja> MonkeyDust and which setting to modify in compiz config? I have it installed...
[16:08] <luminance_137> hi, whenever I plugin my headphones i get this annoying popup https://i.imgur.com/zz1Lnjb.png?1
[16:08] <luminance_137> how to avoid it
[16:12] <luminance_137> hi, whenever I plugin my headphones i get this annoying popup https://i.imgur.com/zz1Lnjb.png?1
how to avoid it
[16:12] <MonkeyDust> keevitaja effects > animations .... be carefull with this
[16:12] <JonSnow__> hello
[16:12] <JonSnow__> anyone ?
[16:13] <cfhowlett> !ask | JonSnow__
[16:14] <JonSnow__> !ask
[16:14] <JonSnow__> !patience
[16:14] <keevitaja> MonkeyDust do you know which setting from there? I am really clueless. Sorry for bugging you!
[16:15] <teward> JonSnow__: ask your real question in the channel all on one line, don't spam with the bot.
[16:15] <moat_joe> My apache bailed and left a giant .crash file in /var/crash, what can I do with this?
[16:15] <MonkeyDust> keevitaja no, explore it a bit, but be careful, unity depends heavily on desktop effects
[16:16] <keevitaja> ok tnx, but i will not explore it. i have messed up unity before by just clicking stuff i do now know.
[16:17] <MonkeyDust> keevitaja don't remember how i disabled them, guess i managed to do it with unity tweak tool
[16:20] <keevitaja> ok, does anybody know if it is possible to change the icon of the alarm-clock in top taskbar in unity? i would like it to be monochrome but the icon pack i am using does not have it. overwriting is not the option as i would have to this everytime the numix circle icons updates and it happens a lot!
[16:20] <keevitaja> there is a .config/alarm-clock but no option for the icon
[16:21] <young__> just try other things
[16:21] <keevitaja> also modifying /usr/share/applications/alarm-clock* does not give any results... as it should not.
[16:21] <YvesLevier> keevitaja: For Unity, im not sure. But in Linux, you shall be able to use a bitmap as icon. Is that understandable?
[16:22] <YvesLevier> Sorry im french. Never sure of my english.
[16:22] <keevitaja> yes, but where can i configure it? i can make the icons, no problem with that. just does alarm-clock, i belive the gnomes, have the setting option
[16:22] <JonSnow__> Whenever I plug-in my headphones I get this annoying pop up https://i.imgur.com/zz1Lnjb.png?1 how to fix this
[16:23] <JonSnow__> teward, Ok I was just checking bots and I asked the question again
[16:23] <acro458> Probably a LONG stretch, but here is my question: I am using WINE on UBUNTU to run an exe file. This works just fine. However, the program needs to connect to a windows NT4 server using Windows credentials. Is this possible?
[16:24] <YvesLevier> keevitaja: rightclick on icon -> properties. Then to the left, you see the actual icon. Click on it then follow your instinct.
[16:24] <daftykins> acro458: sounds like a Wine question, not an ubuntu one
[16:25] <acro458> is there a wine chatroom?
[16:25] <teward> acro458: you can try #winehq
[16:27] <wimpog> is it possible to configure Ubuntu server for authentication against AD?
[16:27] <YvesLevier> AD?
[16:27] <teward> YvesLevier: Active Directory, I think
[16:28] <wimpog> YvesLevier: teward yes
[16:28] <vishnuavenu> how to run ... local dns server on .. ubuntu
[16:29] <teward> vishnuavenu: you mean an authoritative DNS server to hold zones, accessible only locally?
[16:30] <vishnuavenu> yaaa
[16:31] <vishnuavenu> .... i want to block some site and want to use proxy
[16:31] <YvesLevier> WOW listening
[16:32] <teward> vishnuavenu: you may want to use other methods to block sites, but in theory you can just install a dns server on your computer as you would any software.
[16:32] <vishnuavenu> .. yaa
[16:32] <teward> vishnuavenu: on a default Ubuntu Desktop setup you'll need to change the resolvconf templates, but meh.
[16:32] <vishnuavenu> .. i want to use twisted dns server
[16:35] <noor-nootje> hoi
[16:38] <MonkeyDust> vishnuavenu better ask in #ubuntu-server, i guess
[16:38] <vishnuavenu> ok ....
[16:39] <vishnuavenu> i am try to develop a system for personal use ... use to work with proxy and dns and django
[16:39] <vishnuavenu> Thanx MonkeyDust
[16:39] <vishnuavenu> and teward .... :)
[16:43] <StanDarsh> Me right now: http://linuxfag.ytmnd.com/
[16:43] <anonymous_> We Are Anonymous
[16:43] <anonymous_> any one here
[16:43] <StanDarsh> lolwat
[16:44] <Eightynine> I have just installed Unity 8 but I can't find in login manager. How to start Unity?
[16:56] <dl11159_> exit
[16:57] <jgutierrez76> hey
[17:05] <Thorn_Striff> Hello!
[17:06] <Anosss> operation eat chicken
[17:07] <sinki_> hi there
[17:08] <sinki_> im in need of some help
[17:08] <Fr3d3r1c> my software manager is broken because a software has not been installed correctly, the software manager is block, it crash too
[17:09] <daftykins> sinki_: ask a question with detail, on one line
[17:10] <sinki_> i have a gsm modem running under ubuntu 12 - it wasnt me who installed it - but since a few days i cant send sms, first i need to figure out which modem and smstool is installed
[17:10] <zy3pD> Fr3d3r1c, run: sudo apt-get -f install
[17:11] <TheBlindGhoulie3> having issues installing rEFInd. I install it says completed successfully but doesnt give me the login showing its been installed, nor will it read my ubuntu bootable usb
[17:11] <sinki_> the packetlist or status file could not be read
[17:11] <TheBlindGhoulie3> macosx
[17:12] <mehn> from the command-line how do you keep your ubuntu system up-to-date/secure? Can i just 'sudo apt-get update' my LTS ubuntu or do i have to dist-upgrade?
[17:12] <daftykins> mehn: update only updates local package lists, you must upgrade or dist-upgrade after this, yes.
[17:13] <zy3pD> mehn, be carefful with dist-upgrade! ... maybe its better to run only update and upgrade
[17:13] <veritablej> so 14.10 offers a simple sounding 'do you want an encrypted home partition?' option on install, but doesn't mention that will also encrypt your swap + prevent swap from working after a reboot. I guess I should recreate the swap partition unencrypted?
[17:13] <TheBlindGhoulie3> well I was in the account i made admin
[17:14] <daftykins> zy3pD: why? nothing wrong with dist-upgrade...
[17:14] <daftykins> zy3pD: you're not falling into the common trap of thinking it means to upgrade version, are you? :)
[17:14] <zy3pD> daftykins, that was dp-release-upgrade-gtk, right?
[17:15] <zy3pD> *do
[17:15] <daftykins> do-release-upgrade is also a CLI util
[17:15] <zy3pD> but i like gui ; )
[17:15] <daftykins> good for you
[17:15] <zy3pD> but yea right
[17:15] <virgil> ok back
[17:20] <TheBlindGhoulie3> ok-need help on a Dual Boot with OS X
[17:21] <TheBlindGhoulie3> cant get rEFInd to install properly
[17:22] <zteam> Hi all!
[17:22] <bruxC> How would I go about having transmission download to a folder on a diferent server? I tried putting the destination as follows: \\192.168.1.2/media/ext4/folder
[17:22] <epx998> do i use apt-cache to get the patch version for an installed package?
[17:23] <zteam> I'm running Ubuntu 14.10 on a system with fulldisk encryption (encrypted LVM), I was wondering does Ubuntu has any way to protect me from a cold boot attack?
[17:26] <daftykins> bruxC: torrenting to a network share is a bad move
[17:29] <bruxC> daftykins i see. Im using jails in a freenas environment so its all relatively new to me.
[17:30] <vegombrei> how does one mount a ntfs external usb2 drive ubuntu says cant mount
[17:30] <daftykins> FreeNAS = off topic
[17:30] <zy3pD> does anybody knows an application edit exif tags easily?
[17:30] <daftykins> vegombrei: does it? "sudo parted -l | pastebinit"
[17:32] <Paradisee_> i just bought another monitor, but i cant make it works
[17:32] <Paradisee_> how do i solve it?
[17:32] <Paradisee_> i want to use double screen
[17:32] <vegombrei> daftykins: i think somethings wrong with the drive it boots and finds it but sometimes it doesnt
[17:32] <daftykins> vegombrei: how long has it been plugged in for? can you run the above command?
[17:32] <vegombrei> daftykins: im trying to reconnect but it wont
[17:32] <daftykins> 'reconnect' ?
[17:33] <daftykins> as in physically plug it in or what?
[17:36] <vegombrei> daftykins: http://pastebin.com/BYP0xHrS
[17:36] <daftykins> oh dear an IO error
[17:37] <daftykins> vegombrei: pastebin of "dmesg | tail" ?
[17:37] <acz32> would a mid-range laptop from 2008 be able to handle unity, or should i look into another ubuntu-related distro?
[17:37] <vegombrei> daftykins: ?? didnt quite get that
[17:37] <vegombrei> daftykins: didnt understand
[17:38] <daftykins> run the command and share it via http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:38] <daftykins> acz32: share the actualy hardware specification
[17:38] <daftykins> *actual
[17:41] <acz32> daftykins: i don't know them, i was hoping for an answer directed at the general mid-range laptop from that era
[17:41] <vegombrei> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784368/
[17:41] <daftykins> acz32: too vague sorry.
[17:42] <vegombrei> daftykins: its a seagate freeagent external 1 tb usb2 drive
[17:42] <Eightynine> I wrote sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade and now terminal stuck at Reading packages.. Ready. How to fix this? Or I have to wait?
[17:42] <daftykins> Eightynine: ctrl+C
[17:43] <Eightynine> Will it lock sources.lst?
[17:44] <daftykins> list. and one way to find out
[17:44] <Eightynine> I'm installing ppa-purge to remove Gnome-staging repo.
[17:46] <daftykins> vegombrei: your disk might be toast
[17:46] <daftykins> best check it elsewhere
[17:47] <vegombrei> daftykins: you think a recovery guy would be able to open it and recover the data ???
[17:47] <RaMcHiP> Hello all!
[17:48] <daftykins> vegombrei: maybe.
[17:48] <vegombrei> daftykins: thanks .. hey whats a good partition software i could get from sudo apt get?
[17:49] <vegombrei> daftykins: or mebbe a disk management software?
[17:49] <daftykins> err, you're not going to attempt to use one on that disk i hope
[18:14] <acid_war> ping
[18:14] <ahiri> Trying to install Ubuntu using the netboot image, having trouble at the mirror part of the install, here's the relevant part of /var/log/syslog, http://pastebin.com/a40WAwyK, any suggestions on what's causing this?
[18:15] <Fr3d3r1c> re
[18:15] <Fr3d3r1c> bon je n'ai pas pu redémarrer sous unity
[18:16] <Fr3d3r1c> je n'avais plus d'interface
[18:16] <Fr3d3r1c> heureusement que j'ai eu la bonne idée d'en avoir deux en réserve......
[18:16] <daftykins> !fr
[18:16] <Fr3d3r1c> la prochaine fois je ferais attention à ne pas écouter tout ce qu'on me dit d'un pète
[18:16] <daftykins> Fr3d3r1c: stop
[18:18] <Fr3d3r1c> i made a mistake
[18:18] <Fr3d3r1c> i believe that i was on ubuntu-fr
[18:18] <Fr3d3r1c> sorry
[18:26] <mohsen-rashidi> hi. is it possible to do full disk encryption during installing ubuntu?
[18:30] <rockstar_> my localhost is running, but it doesn't show contents of /var/www. Any suggestion?
[18:30] <pbx> mohsen-rashidi, there seems to be a lot of overlapping info on disk encryption. this page seems like a good index at least: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystems
[18:31] <saleem> hi, im looking for sysvinit package but its not there on tahr repositories , where can i find this package please?
[18:32] <saleem> !sysvinit
[18:33] <hkrrsx> saleem: Peak at this -- http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sysvinit&searchon=names&suite=trusty§ion=all
[18:33] <saleem> hkrrsx, thank you
[18:33] <hkrrsx> saleem: You're welcome
[18:34] <saleem> guess they have removed this package from servers
[18:35] <hkrrsx> saleem: are you running the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Ubuntu?
[18:35] <pbx> rockstar_, i recommend going to the channel for whatever httpd you are running
[18:36] <saleem> im on 64 bit trusty
[18:37] <hkrrsx> Here's the download page for 64-bit version of sysvinit-utils , choose the mirror closest to you and have a blast
[18:37] <hkrrsx> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/sysvinit-utils/download
[18:38] <teward> saleem: it's there - sysvinit-utils is the utilities
[18:38] <teward> saleem: i can confirm it's there
[18:38] <teward> as i'm on trusty :P
[18:38] <saleem> yes i know but let me paste what i get in terminal
[18:39] <saleem> http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?454716
[18:41] <teward> saleem: well, upstart is the init system, and also the sysvinit-utils package replaces the sysvinit package (so does upstart)
[18:44] <mtrh> hey
[18:44] <TurtleDan> NOt sure this is the best, but I installed a 2TB HD in this computer and made 3 partitions. 1tb for Linux, 1tb for files, and 8gb for swap. Problem is I cannot find where to access the second partition.
[18:45] <TurtleDan> When I run Linux on external, I can access all partitions.
[18:45] <mtrh> I'm trying to get past the introduction in ubuntu next (vivid next) since the swiping won't work. Anyone tried and got past this?
[18:47] <YvesLevier> TurtleDan: Repository - get Gparted
[18:47] <salafi> h
[18:47] <TurtleDan> I have it installed
[18:47] <TurtleDan> It shows it and says it id dev/sd3 but I cannot find it in the file manager.
[18:48] <genii> TurtleDan: sda3 sdb3 sdc3 ? Can't be just sd3
[18:49] <TurtleDan> I apologize. You're correct. /dev/sda3
[18:49] <TurtleDan> Mount point /lab
[18:49] <YvesLevier> Im also mystified.
[18:49] <YvesLevier> Ha
[18:49] <genii> TurtleDan: What says result of: sudo file -s /dev/sda3
[18:51] <salafi> hello my ubuntu 14.04 cannot shutdown it hang on acer e1-510
[18:51] <TurtleDan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784859/
[18:53] <YvesLevier> salafi: What is acer on your computer?
[18:56] <salafi> YvesLevier i mean my computer manufacturer name
[18:57] <fffelix> Hi, I'm trying to install the v4l-dvb modules but am stuck with a problem with the linux headers. I installed them, even did a --reinstall, but theres no /lib/modules/3.8.0-42-generic/build folder, so I can't compile the v4l-dvb modules
[18:57] <YvesLevier> i see nothing out of bios settings. i fear im not your man. Sry
[18:58] <genii> TurtleDan: What is the result of command: mount
[18:58] <nostromen> hi
[18:59] <YvesLevier> Hi nostro
[18:59] <fffelix> Where does ubuntu 14.04 put the header files?
[19:00] <TurtleDan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784919/
[19:00] <TurtleDan> cd /lab
[19:00] <nostromen> my question is how to update driver for intel mobile express 945
[19:01] <TurtleDan> Seems to be workin now. I unmounted it and re-mounted it in gparted. Was that proper?
[19:01] <genii> TurtleDan: Should work
[19:02] <YvesLevier> nostromen: Driver....?
[19:02] <YvesLevier> What release you using?
[19:02] <YvesLevier> TurtleDan: Supposed
[19:02] <nostromen> xubuntu 14.10
[19:03] <hkrrsx> fffelix: Linux headers are installed in the /usr/src/linux-header{$version}-{architecture} directory
[19:03] <hkrrsx> For example: /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64
[19:04] <Lorne_> Hey all - so what does it mean when my computer boots into a black screen - with a hollow X for the mouse cursor.......??
[19:04] <lsannin> hello
[19:04] <lsannin> someone
[19:05] <lsannin> i have problems whit my bluetooth
[19:05] <lsannin> RTL8723BE
[19:05] <lsannin> this is my chip
[19:05] <hkrrsx> !ask | lsannin
[19:05] <YvesLevier> nostromen: You are running a beta
[19:05] <genii> Lorne_: It means you only have some rudimentary desktop environment running and not unity or kde or whatever
[19:05] <YvesLevier> did you know that?
[19:06] <fffelix> hkrrsx: thanks. so I should ln that folder to /lib/modules?
[19:06] <Lorne_> genii - OK - so how do I get to a real cursor? I can't seem to type anything....
[19:06] <lsannin> ok I had problem whit my bluetooth I try this https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/ works on the previous kernel after the update do not works anymore
[19:07] <hkrrsx> fffelix: What are you trying to accomplish ?
[19:07] <nostromen> if i running a beta what is xubuntu 15 too beta?
[19:07] <genii> Lorne_: ctrl-alt-f1 alt-f7 will get you back to the X
[19:08] <fffelix> hkrrsx: I'm trying to build the the v4l-dvb modules because my dvb-c stick doesn't work. when I'm trying to compile it make gives me: "File not found: /lib/modules/3.8.0-42-generic/build/.config at ./scripts/make_kconfig.pl line 33, <IN> line 4."
[19:09] <YvesLevier> nostromen: im v-e-r-y not a crack of xubuntu. What i keep in mind is to only use LTS releases in Ubuntu. Sry cant help more.
[19:09] <hkrrsx> fffelix: That's a development issue, beyond the scope of this support channel
[19:09] <fffelix> hkrrsx: I understand, thanks. But i could link the path anyway, right?
[19:09] <hkrrsx> I wouldn't
[19:09] <fffelix> In order to get that working
[19:10] <fffelix> hkrrsx: meh ):
[19:10] <hkrrsx> Check in your /lib/modules/3.8.0-42-generic/build directory
[19:10] <Lorne_> genii : perfect... I got the cursor again - my problem is the last round of ubuntu updates kicked my Nvidia video card offline (2nd time its happened!!)
[19:10] <hkrrsx> See if there is a .config file in there ...... and if so, check the permissions
[19:11] <fffelix> hkrrsx: there is no /lib/modules/3.8.0-42-generic/build directory
[19:11] <hkrrsx> There's the problem
[19:11] <Eightynine> I tried to remove Gnome in tty and install Unity, it installed partially and now I can't login. When loading desktop it freezes. Package manager says that I have held packages. How to fix this?
[19:12] <Lorne_> genii I know I need to exit from X ... then re run the installation package in my download directory... can you pls help me do that?
[19:12] <fffelix> hkrrsx: ah ok. Thought it's created by the package linux headers
[19:13] <YvesLevier> nostromen: Here is an old trick. May be not the best but it works. Save your files in NTFS or FAT that does not know about the files owner.
[19:13] <Eightynine> Help me please.
[19:13] <salafi> help i cant shutdown my system it hang with the 5 dot
[19:13] <YvesLevier> Then install a LTS release. Hoping som1 can you help you better than I.
[19:14] <Eightynine> YvesLevier you told that to me?
[19:14] <YvesLevier> Eightynine: Non
[19:15] <colby_> any1 know who to install gnupg version 2 for use with enigamail
[19:15] <YvesLevier> but im looking to your problem Eighty
[19:16] <YvesLevier> Eightynine: in those kind of problems i use Synaptics. Did you .... 1 sec
[19:17] <Lorne_> ok - simpler question - How do I "run as root"?
[19:17] <Eightynine> Merci, Yves. Je serai reconnaissant de l'aide.
[19:17] <genii> Lorne_: If you can stand the lag of me reply time, work is taking me from the computer every couple minutes for a bit. Basically just use the ctrl-alt-f1 to gain tty, login with usual name/pass and then maybe stop the login manager with sudo service lightdm stop. Then you can issue whatever apt-get commands might be required to reinstall nvidia drivers (most likely culprit) and then start lightdm again, alt-f7
[19:17] <grio-work> Lorne_, put 'sudo' at the front of everything.
[19:17] <fffelix> So, I'm trying to install "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" but apt wouldn't let me (no candidate). What am I doing wrong?
[19:18] <Eightynine> Synaptic wasn't installed in my system by default.
[19:18] <Cipher45> Stupid question, can I reset the root password using 'sudo passwd' if I don't know the current root password?
[19:18] <colby_> lol npe
[19:18] <compdoc> you can become root
[19:18] <lsannin> can anyono hel me whit my bluetooth cant find any device my chip is RTL8723BE
[19:19] <Lorne_> OK - awesome - seems to be working :)
[19:19] <Eightynine> Can I remove completely Gnome and Unity in tty and reinstall Unity?
[19:19] <YvesLevier> Eightynine: did you install flashback?
[19:19] <Eightynine> No.
[19:20] <YvesLevier> Did you try with another dummy session. i mean "invité" sry dont know the world in english
[19:20] <pgunnars> any1 had trouble using/linking blas libraries on ubuntu?
[19:21] <Davor1> Hi. How may I sort folders before files in "select file" dialog? Thank You!!
[19:21] <YvesLevier> Davor1: 14.04?
[19:21] <Davor1> last LTS
[19:22] <Lorne_> sweet - thanks genii its up again... :)
[19:22] <YvesLevier> Davor1: Did you try Nemo?
[19:22] <Eightynine> Yves, maybe you mean System default?
[19:22] <YvesLevier> yes
[19:23] <fffelix> Is there a noob-proof guide on how to get the linux headers from the current kernel?
[19:23] <genii> Lorne_: Glad to assist
[19:24] <hkrrsx> fffelix: Try running uname-r first and then add the version to linux-headers-(version_here)
[19:24] <Davor1> I use xubuntu. File manager is pcmanfm. But when open file from bluefish "select file" is nautilus. I may configure nautilus but it have no efect in "select files" dialog
[19:24] <Bashing-om> Cipher45: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo ; http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword .
[19:24] <YvesLevier> Davor1: Nemo isnt the best solution but i was able to fix that using nautilus
[19:25] <YvesLevier> Davor1: err :
[19:25] <YvesLevier> Nautilus is actualy bugging me.
[19:25] <fffelix> hkrrsx: it's basically the same: no installation candidate
[19:25] <YvesLevier> Using Nemo
[19:26] <YvesLevier> btw im using U14.04
[19:26] <hkrrsx> fffelix: Please pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-" (tab tab for tab completion)
[19:26] <Davor1> No err! but when I open files in "select files" is mixed folders and files by name. I wish first folder and below files
[19:27] <hkrrsx> fffelix: Actually, look at this first .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwS57DKsLA
[19:27] <Cipher45> Bashing-om, Thanks for that! I've been using 'su -' sometimes. Is it better practice to use 'sudo -i' instead?
[19:28] <YvesLevier> Davor1: Sry Davor i did abandon nautilus. But noticed that some Nemo options changed something in Nautilus. Dont ask!!!!
[19:29] <Davor1> OK1 Please explain me how i may change "select file" application?
[19:29] <milehigh> If I install 14.04, what is the proper way to prevent receiving the 14.04.1 update?
[19:30] <milehigh> and .2
[19:30] <YvesLevier> Davor1: Tricky for me. After i intalled Nemo, i need use a desktop folder in order to get to left and use it as if it was Nautilus.
[19:31] <Bashing-om> Cipher45: Be aware; both have their particular applications, depending on the use-case. ' sudo -i ' is the more general - and safer but only when required . "sudo <command>" is the recommended means generally .
[19:31] <YvesLevier> But my default, out of this, is still Nautilus.
[19:31] <Eightynine> Maybe I should try this? sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-settings
[19:32] <YvesLevier> Eightynine: you really want to work using Unity?
[19:32] <YvesLevier> trying to see...
[19:32] <Davor1> I mean. Run bluefish, file - open. I have mixed files and folders in "select files". I want first folder an files below. How?
[19:32] <Davor1> I have no "sort by type"
[19:32] <Cipher45> Okay cool. Thanks again Bashing-om !
[19:33] <Eightynine> I don't know, never used it before. But I don't like Gnome. I wanted to replace it.
[19:33] <Bashing-om> Cipher45: Welcome, we are here to help.
[19:33] <genii> milehigh: The usual way would be to make sure the line in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades reads: Prompt=never
[19:33] <YvesLevier> Davor1: I dont know bluefish. but Nautilus is hiding the menu.
[19:34] <YvesLevier> is that the problem?
[19:35] <YvesLevier> Otherwise, look at upper menu "Sort by"
[19:36] <cabrel> quel est la procedure pour mettre a jour son systeme
[19:36] <YvesLevier> cabrel: va à Ubuntu-fr ou Ubuntu-Qc selon le cas
[19:37] <YvesLevier> Im french
[19:37] <milehigh> genii: Will a normal apt-get update/upgrade put me on that release, or is a dist-upgrade necessary?
[19:37] <genii> milehigh: dist-upgrade is the one which bumps versions
[19:38] <colby_> can anyone help me to install gnupg version 2 for use with enigamail
[19:38] <cabrel> I will try
[19:38] <pzykotic> upgrade only upgrades existing packages on your machine. Dist-upgrade will do that, plus fetch packages that may not exist.
[19:39] <hkrrsx> colby_: Please see this URL entirely -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[19:39] <acz32> when installing via mini.iso, does it encrypt the disk, if you so choose, during the retrieval of the base system and additional software, or after the retrieval?
[19:41] <YvesLevier> cabrel: j'ai ouvert un canal privé. On ne peut pas parler français longtemps ici.
[19:43] <YvesLevier> i see no knowed bilingual here. lemme seek. Sorry for french friends
[19:43] <ablest1980> [=
[19:43] <anon321> exit
[19:44] <acz32> !fr
[19:45] <YvesLevier> ubottu: thx - did you see cabrel?
[19:46] <YvesLevier> ubottu: dont worry ;)
[19:48] <YvesLevier> If cabrel comes back plz let me help him to join a french channel. For the good :)
[19:49] <diegoviola> I want to install ubuntu to a btrfs subvolume
[19:49] <diegoviola> anyone please?
[19:50] <dnano91> hi, is it possible to boot ubuntu from live usb with some kind of antivirus so that i can copy data from an ntfs partition to another (external) drive without the risk of copying a virus?
[19:51] <YvesLevier> dnano91: as far i know, you wont need antivirus as long you stay in Linux
[19:51] <YvesLevier> Is that right bros?
[19:52] <pbx> ntfs partition, i'm assuming it's windows
[19:52] <YvesLevier> Even your Win file is damaged by a virus. Shall not be a problem in Linux.
[19:53] <dnano91> YvesLevier: i don't stay in linux. i just want to boot a live system to copy the data to an external drive (it's not my laptop either) so i was curious if there is such a live system
[19:53] <pbx> dnano91, are you asking for a way to use ubuntu to screen files you are copying from one volume to another for windows viruses? i don't know that there's a linux product that does that.
[19:54] <CptRageToaster> You can do a bulk file transfer, but if files are infected... they are infected...
[19:54] <YvesLevier> You wont infect Linux
[19:55] <YvesLevier> but your files back in Win
[19:55] <CptRageToaster> correct
[19:55] <YvesLevier> will
[19:55] <CptRageToaster> possibly?
[19:55] <YvesLevier> haha
[19:55] <CptRageToaster> copying data does not execute it...
[19:55] <CptRageToaster> (in most cases)
[19:55] <YvesLevier> right
[19:56] <dnano91> okay
[19:56] <YvesLevier> but infection is just waiting you get back in Win
[19:56] <pbx> "without the risk of copying a virus" was what dnano91 asked for.
[19:56] <YvesLevier> i heard about an antivirus for win wrote in Linux
[19:57] <YvesLevier> for no risk
[19:57] <YvesLevier> i donno more
[19:57] <hanfm> Hello, i have a problem in ubuntu 10.04, /var/log/messages is full of entries like this:
[19:57] <hanfm> Apr 9 21:55:01 <myserver> kernel: [1708785.301163] cron[17345] general protection ip:7f9b28621786 sp:7fff2d524b20 error:0 in libpthread-2.11.1.so[7f9b2861c000+18000]
[19:58] <hanfm> does anyone know, how to solve this issue?
[20:00] <dnano91> but thanks anyway :)
[20:02] <west536457640> ubuntu 14.04 on samsung laptop - is there a program i can use to boost the bass of the audio? its too tinny :(
[20:02] <hkrrsx> hanfm: That error mentions "cron" in it .... check your cron jobs
[20:03] <hkrrsx> hanfm: Alternatively, /join #ubuntu-kernel and/or /join ##kernel
[20:03] <hanfm> hkrrsx, thanks, i'll try
[20:04] <hkrrsx> hanfm: Good job
[20:07] <YvesLevier> west536457640: using vlc?
[20:09] <west536457640> YvesLevier, well vlc has a built in gfx equalizer
[20:09] <YvesLevier> not at your taste?
[20:09] <west536457640> but i was hoping for something that would work for chrome, or system wide
[20:10] <west536457640> vlc is perfect, but it only works in vlc
[20:10] <YvesLevier> west536457640: whats the goal. i fear i didnt understand
[20:11] <YvesLevier> you want record a best sound that provided in your base mp3 etc.
[20:11] <west536457640> YvesLevier, you know how vlc has a gfx equaliser to change the sound of the audio it is playing, more bass, more treble, etc
[20:12] <YvesLevier> then?
[20:12] <pupulka> i need hi have a problem. i tried to insta puppy linux. is first time that i try to install linux. now, it did a reebot but ask me a password, wich i dont know wich is it.. i want to install again it but i cant, aways he ask me that passowrd (i see all is write in red)
[20:12] <Jordan_U> west536457640: pulseaudio has a built in system wide equalizer.
[20:12] <west536457640> i want a gfx equalizer to adjust *all* the sound output from my laptop
[20:13] <west536457640> Jordan_U, pulseaudio, i think ia have that, let me check
[20:13] <YvesLevier> west536457640: .... if Jordan can help you. There are conversions possible but not....
[20:14] <HeroCC> Anybody know if there is a PPA for IntelliJ available?
[20:15] <YvesLevier> West i have something in mind but not avail.... see this later
[20:15] <YvesLevier> HeroCC: Would you reformulate plz?
[20:16] <YvesLevier> west536457640: looking on my 2nd comp
[20:16] <hkrrsx> HeroCC: Found these couple of links, hope they're what you need -- http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/11/install-android-studio-ubuntu-14-04-ppa/ and http://askubuntu.com/questions/272314/setup-and-install-intellij-with-jdk
[20:18] <west536457640> hi YvesLevier and Jordan_U - yes i need to enable the equaliser on pulseaudio - tx for the feedback
[20:20] <YvesLevier> west536457640: im not sure we really fix your problem west. If not satisfied, come back with this topic plz
[20:20] <Jordan_U> west536457640: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/system-wide-pulseaudio-equalizer.html looks like a reputable guide, though it does require a ppa and I have no personal experience with it.
[20:21] <YvesLevier> Having a musician friend with never-happy ears. Will ask :)
[20:22] <west536457640> Jordan_U, thats the one i found also - giving it a go now
[20:25] <aladiah> How to update the Linux STA driver on console ?
[20:26] <aladiah> Iam realising that broadcom manufacter dont have the linux driver to make my broadcom wifi + bluetooth 4.0 work with bluetooth
[20:26] <aladiah> https://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[20:29] <west536457640> YvesLevier, Jordan_U - it worked, no more tinny sound, thx
[20:30] <YvesLevier> My pleasure
[20:30] <YvesLevier> thx Jordan
[20:30] <aladiah> How can i download this driver 64 bits version https://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php and update my actual driver using console ?
[20:30] <kart> xrandr question: so my laptop was able to push 2 display's pre 14.04 out of the box. one display from the laptop DP port and dock's DP port. now after the update to 14.04, the display from the laptop is just pushing out 1280x800 .. there is no other option ..i am able to xrandr --addmode and xrandr --newmode and get it to push the actual display. its a pain in the back to do this everytime i reboot my laptop.
[20:30] <kart> anyway i can make this better?
[20:31] <genii> kart: Put the xrandr commands in /etc/rc.local
[20:31] <Ben64> kart: configure the monitors using the Displays tool?
[20:31] <MeanderingCode> anyone know if there's a bootable armv7 installer with a "secure boot" signed bootloader?
[20:32] <kart> genii: to set the resolution yes i use the displays tool.
[20:32] <kart> will try the rc.local route and see if that works
[20:32] <kart> thanks
[20:32] <davevanloo> kart: what video card are you running?
[20:32] <kart> intel HD4400
[20:33] <Ben64> MeanderingCode: #ubuntu-arm would probably be the best place to ask that
[20:33] <aladiah> Someone could simple copy past the parts of this manual i should follow to install the ultimate broadcam STA driver on my lubuntu http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README_6.30.223.248.txt ?
[20:33] <davevanloo> have you looked for proprietary drivers? perhaps that would allow you to drive 2 monitors again aswel.., my setup without prop-drivers would not allow me to drive both monitors either.. nor did it detect resolutions properly..
[20:34] <davevanloo> then again, i run 2 nvidia cards.. :/
[20:35] <rgb-one> if by two displays you mean tty1 and tty2 then it is an xorg thing
[20:35] <kart> davevanloo: no proprietary drivers
[20:35] <rgb-one> as of 1.17 it is no longer supported
[20:35] <MeanderingCode> Ben64: thx, did. it's a bit quiet over there :)
[20:35] <kart> rgb-one: yeh thats what i read on the forums.
[20:41] <aladiah> how i could know with console commands that iam actually using a previous version of wl, you'll want to provide
[20:41] <aladiah> a clean transition from the older driver. (The path to previous driver is
[20:41] <aladiah> usually /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/kernel/net/wireless)
[20:41] <nighty^> anyone knows how to fix the gnutls thing in 14.04.2 : using git https:// results in server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
[20:42] <nighty^> most likely due to the fact to gnutls version
[20:43] <nighty^> but I do not know how to fix it
[20:43] <aladiah> If my wirelless is working thats meand iam already using a previous version of wl?
[20:46] <aladiah> Some one help me upgrade to the ultimate wireless driver to Lubuntu 14.10 64 bits ? this one here work for me https://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php , i already tested with http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785698/
[20:46] <Hmei7> tes
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> aladiah if it works, don't cjange it (or what's the proverb)
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> change*
[20:47] <aladiah> MonkeyDust bluetooth not working
[20:47] <Bashing-om> nighty^: Maybe, try : sudo apt-get install --reinstall ca-certificates .
[20:47] <nighty^> nah
[20:47] <nighty^> tried that
[20:48] <nighty^> does not do anything it is not a cert problem
[20:48] <aladiah> MonkeyDust my broadcom is wireless and bluetooth , blutooth work fine , bluetooth dont work
[20:48] <MonkeyDust> aladiah please rephrase " blutooth work fine , bluetooth dont work"
[20:49] <nighty^> MonkeyDust, he meant wifi works fine and bluetooth does not
[20:50] <beloved> 2 of my entirely new PCI-e cards do not show with lspci. How can I make them visible?
[20:50] <MonkeyDust> aladiah try blueman to make bluetooth work
[20:50] <kart> beloved: have you tried turning off and then on ?
[20:51] <kart> <IT Crowd reference>
[20:51] <beloved> kart: Yes.
[20:51] <aladiah> nighty thats it
[20:51] <aladiah> Should this be the right part of the manual INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785720/
[20:52] <k1l_> beloved: sudo update-pciiids
[20:52] <aladiah> MonkeyDust blutooth dont work with blueman
[20:52] <aladiah> Iam to newby i need someone telling me what to put in console to do this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785720/
[20:53] <k1l_> beloved: what gives you "uname -a"?
[20:53] <beloved> k1l_: Thank you. And then?
[20:54] <beloved> k1l_: 3.2.0-79-generic
[20:54] <k1l_> beloved: well, that is an old kernel
[20:54] <k1l_> beloved: so that is a 10.04?
[20:55] <nighty^> aladiah, no it should not
[20:55] <beloved> k1l_: Why does it matter?
[20:55] <k1l_> beloved: that does matter a lot
[20:55] <k1l_> beloved: or is it not even ubuntu?
[20:56] <nighty^> aladiah, sudo apt-get install blueman
[20:56] <beloved> k1l_: It's based on it but I'll ask in that channel.
[20:56] <aladiah> nighty^ :
[20:56] <aladiah> nighty^ : i already have blueman
[20:56] <k1l_> beloved: yep, good decision
[20:56] <aladiah> nighty^ : or do you want a see the result for that command ?
[20:57] <grio-work> stupid SmartStart CDs...
[20:57] <vlt> Hello. What package do I need to install to get libx264 as encoder in avconv on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[20:57] <bazhang> !find x264
[20:58] <bazhang> !info mpv
[20:59] <vlt> bazhang: I got libx264-120 (on 12.04) installed already.
[20:59] <Bashing-om> aladiah: I will try and help; what returns from terminal command -> which wl <- ?
[20:59] <bazhang> so install x264 vlt
[21:00] <vlt> bazhang: Ok, I’ll try that. Thanks.
[21:01] <beloved> k1l_: Just a final question. Will sudo update-pciids let me find the cards with lspci?
[21:01] <vlt> bazhang: Done. That didn’t change the available codecs listed by avconv. :-/
[21:02] <aladiah> Bashing-om : iam trying this solution form wxl in Lubuntu channel http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785753/
[21:02] <bazhang> vlt smplayer with mpv is another way to go
[21:04] <vlt> bazhang: I didn’t understand that. What is mpv? And isn’t smplayer just an mplayer frontend?
[21:05] <Bashing-om> aladiah: OK, your " http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785720/ " refers, we are attempting to verify the location of 'wl' .
[21:05] <bazhang> vlt mplayer/smplayer can do much more than play movies; using mpv with it further yet
[21:09] <vlt> bazhang: Could you explain, please? What part of that could help me solve my problem?
[21:12] <bazhang> vlt I did not see what your exact problem was
[21:17] <vlt> bazhang: Sorry. The problem is that libx264 is missing in the list of available codecs for avconv on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and I don't know whoch package is missing.
[21:17] <vlt> *which
[21:18] <Darkforce> At last i resolved my problems with Ubuntu. Thanks for trying to help me, thanks to Google all all those guys making blogs and writing articles. Thanks to Canonical for Unity. Good luck.
[21:18] <marianne_> hi, anyone out there ever get VuduToGo to work on 14.04. If I can get this last app to work, I can ditch my Mac for good
[21:22] <Darkforce> What kind of software is this?
[21:24] <k1l_> seems like some movie streaming service
[21:25] <Darkforce> Thanks, I haven't heard about it.
[21:25] <kahue> hello
[21:25] <kahue> can someone help me?
[21:25] <kahue> i need to remove the unity lens
[21:25] <kahue> video, files
[21:25] <kahue> how do i do?
[21:27] <k1l_> kahue: try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/107701/how-to-disable-lenses-in-the-in-the-dash-menu
[21:28] <kahue_> hello
kahue: try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/107701/how-to-disable-lenses-in-the-in-the-dash-menu
[21:30] <kahue_> ty brother
[21:30] <kahue_> apreciate
[21:48] <gunndawg> I have been running the Nvidia 331 drivers as the driver manager lists it as "recommended". I went to the Nvidia site and plugged in my GTX 760 and Linux 64-bit and it found the Linux X64 346 drivers. Are these not suggested to use?
[21:50] <Fuchs> gunndawg: ubuntu tends to not update drivers during a release cycle unless needed
[21:50] <Fuchs> gunndawg: it is _definitely_ not recommended to install the ones from the nvidia site manually, unless you love to end up with a black or low resolution screen after the next kernel update
[21:51] <gunndawg> Fuchs: I'm trying to fix rubber banding issues in Counter-Strike (supported by valve) and thought maybe the updated 446 drivers might fix it.
[21:51] <Fuchs> gunndawg: just take the ones from the driver manager, unless your hardware isn't supported by them
[21:51] <gunndawg> Fuchs: they work, jsut trying to fix an issue when gaming under steam
[21:51] <kro2488> So compared with Ubuntu, why do some people like linux mint more?
[21:51] <Fuchs> gunndawg: there are ppas that offer these and at least set up dkms correctly, note that it's highly unlikely that people will like to give you support when you use PPAs. But for trying whether they fix it, that might be worth a try.
[21:51] <EriC^> they think it's more serious
[21:51] <EriC^> kro2488:
[21:51] <kro2488> eric: serious how?
[21:52] <Fuchs> kro2488: because people have personal preferences, same thing with food, cars and various other things. Happens.
[21:52] <EriC^> like the desktop doesn't have fancy stuff, it's more practical etc.
[21:52] <k1l_> kro2488: that is not a good idea to ask in a ubuntu channel
[21:52] <k1l_> kro2488: better ask in ##linux for a more objective view
[21:53] <krunkpirate> or just go straight to a mint channel and ask those why they have that preference.
[21:53] <Fuchs> that requires slightly more effort since these would be on spotchat, not freenode
[21:54] <compdoc> why would ppl who use ubuntu know anything about mint? racist
[21:54] <area51pilot> whats the best way to tether ubuntu laptop to Android for internet?
[21:54] <kro2488> lol
[21:54] <kro2488> im still new to it all so bear with me
[21:54] <kro2488> i don't really write programs and stuff so i rarely use the terminal but im interested in understanding how everything works, so im slowly reading up
[21:55] <kro2488> most of the ubuntu gui is fine, but sometimes for updates its quicker to just do a terminal command
[21:55] <mcphail> area51pilot: just attach the cable and select "USB tethering"
[21:55] <kro2488> basically I could survive if i was forced to only use terminal which is a good thing
[21:55] <kro2488> whereas a few weeks ago not so much
[21:55] <aladiah> my bluetooth dont work. i have a broadcom two in one wifi and bluetooth. bluetooth work wi fi dont
[21:56] <Fuchs> kro2488: that sounds more like a topic for #ubuntu-offtopic, then.
[21:56] <Fuchs> kro2488: the channel here should be kept clean and clear for support
[21:56] <kro2488> this i the onlyt hing i use irc for, but thats the channel name for just random chat?
[21:56] <area51pilot> mcphail, tried that ... VZ wants to charge you
[21:56] <OerHeks> !bcm
[21:56] <kro2488> with other users
[21:57] <lyndel4> hey guys how to copy a folder to the boot folder? it seems it wont let me paste it
[21:57] <mehn> anyone know why when i try to sudo apt-get update, it fails with stuff like this Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91..]
[21:57] <OerHeks> aladiah, what bcm chip exactly?
[21:57] <Fuchs> kro2488: one of the social channels for random chat (within rule boundaries), yes.
[21:57] <mcphail> area51pilot: that is a completely different matter. You asked how to tether: not how to avoid charges
[21:58] <OerHeks> lyndel4, use sudo
[21:58] <lyndel4> why wont it let me paste?
[21:58] <lyndel4> u mean i must use command line?
[21:58] <OerHeks> lyndel4, for a safety reason
[21:58] <lyndel4> ok
[21:58] <kro2488> lyndel it has to do with authority
[21:58] <lyndel4> thanks
[21:58] <kro2488> yea
[21:58] <EriC^> lyndel4: what?
[21:59] <lyndel4> if i must use cli just to copy a folder to boot directy
[21:59] <mcphail> lyndel4: you can run "gksudo nautilus" to get a priveleged file manager but you can easily mess up your system if you do something wrong
[22:00] <area51pilot> mcphail, your right ... I'm way beyond the simple steps. I used to use FoxFi and ClockworkMod as a hotspot ... but my device isnt supported now
[22:00] <lyndel4> i undertsnad thanks
[22:00] <live150> Is it common for wine to lag while running a Windows program?
[22:00] <lyndel4> al use command line then how should the command look like?
[22:01] <EriC^> lyndel4: sudo cp <something> <somewhere>
[22:01] <k1l_> area51pilot: running cyanogenmod and ubuntu its totally easy.
[22:01] <OerHeks> live150, depends on: your system specs + the windows program
[22:01] <live150> Ah ok :D
[22:01] <lyndel4> thanks
[22:01] <Bashing-om> mehn: quantal is End-Of-Life and no longer has support. The software repository no longer exists as you may have known it .
[22:01] <area51pilot> k1l_, I have a Droid Turbo .. dont think it can be rooted yet
[22:02] <k1l_> mehn: 12.10 is dead long time now.
[22:03] <lyndel4> lyndel@lyndel-Compaq-Presario-C700-Notebook-PC:~/Downloads$ cp El_Castillo /boot/burg/themes/
[22:03] <lyndel4> cp: omitting directory `El_Castillo'
[22:03] <lyndel4> lyndel@lyndel-Compaq-Presario-C700-Notebook-PC:~/Downloads$
[22:03] <lyndel4> what does that mean?
[22:03] <EriC^> lyndel4: it means theres a directory in what you're copying
[22:03] <hkrrsx> lyndel4: Means you didn't use the -r switch for recursive copying
[22:04] <EriC^> lyndel4: cp -r <something> <somewhere> copies the directories too
[22:04] <lyndel4> oh
[22:04] <lyndel4> thanks
[22:04] <k1l_> area51pilot: see xda-developers for infos if and how you can run other roms or root or enable tethering
[22:04] <lyndel4> woot thanks alot guys
[22:04] <lyndel4> hahah it worked
[22:07] <area51pilot> k1l_, been there .. going to look into the Bluetooth DUN option I guess
[22:07] <area51pilot> it just seemed kinda slow when I used it on a tablet
[22:11] <gunndawg> So I decided to try a wired connection and get rid of my wireless but when I plug in wired I have no connection. Any pointers
[22:17] <in_deep_thought> I need to install virtualbox. Is this big monster of a command what I need? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/Installation
[22:18] <wafflejock> in_deep_thought, should just be sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[22:18] <wafflejock> !info virtualbox
[22:18] <k1l_> in_deep_thought: sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[22:18] <in_deep_thought> really? why that huge mess then?
[22:19] <EriC^> in_deep_thought: it's the oracle maintained repository version
[22:19] <k1l_> in_deep_thought: seems like that site is outdated
[22:19] <in_deep_thought> well SOMEONE should have taken it off the internet then
[22:19] <in_deep_thought> people could get hurt
[22:20] <k1l_> in_deep_thought: they dont get hurt
[22:20] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, that command adds the virtualbox repo.
[22:20] <in_deep_thought> ok so now that I installed the wrong one, how can I remove everything I just did? I would apt-get —purge remove
[22:20] <wafflejock> yeah just adding the repo and key for the repo from oracle, but the regular one in the ubuntu repo works fine for me
[22:21] <k1l_> in_deep_thought: calm down
[22:21] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, wrong one? which one?
[22:21] <in_deep_thought> I installed the oracle one by accident right?
[22:21] <k1l_> in_deep_thought: please do a "apt-cache policy virtualbox" and show it in a pastebin
[22:21] <EriC^> in_deep_thought: both are fine
[22:21] <in_deep_thought> or can I just apt-get install virtualbox now and it will use that correct one?
[22:21] <k1l_> in_deep_thought: vbox is made from oracle
[22:21] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, both are corrent. the one from the oracle repo is more up-to-date
[22:21] <kostkon> correct*
[22:22] <JUDA92> hi how to upgrad ubuntu 13.10 to 14
[22:22] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, apt-cache policy virtualbox
[22:22] <EriC^> !eolupgrades | JUDA92
[22:23] <k1l_> JUDA92: did "update-manager" work?
[22:23] <in_deep_thought> in my vbox-install.log I have Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel.
[22:24] <k1l_> in_deep_thought: uname -a gives you what?
[22:24] <in_deep_thought> Linux mctsluice01 3.13.0-49-generic #81~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 25 16:32:15 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
[22:25] <k1l_> in_deep_thought: apt-cache policy linux-generic #in a pastebin please
[22:25] <in_deep_thought> https://bpaste.net/show/f15e61c03c45
[22:25] <hkrrsx> in_deep_thought: sudo apt-get -s install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[22:26] <hkrrsx> Pastebin that, in_deep_thought please
[22:26] <in_deep_thought> https://bpaste.net/show/9d588a0a5aab
[22:26] <hkrrsx> Remove the -s after apt-get and go for it
[22:27] <k1l_> sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-trusty
[22:28] <in_deep_thought> https://bpaste.net/show/5f7e06c84a25
[22:29] <hkrrsx> Does apt-get die after that File: does not exist error ?
[22:29] <in_deep_thought> this is the original error that I am trying to get around
[22:29] <in_deep_thought> https://bpaste.net/show/fd8c9873bdaf
sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-trusty
[22:29] <k1l_> you just installed the lts backports kernel somehow and didnt install the headers.
[22:29] <in_deep_thought> k1l_: yeah I did that. it works fine. 0 upgraded 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded
[22:30] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, so you've install the version of virtualbox from the ubuntu repos not from oravle
[22:30] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, install that *_ose package
[22:30] <in_deep_thought> linux-generic-lts-trusty is already the newest version.
[22:30] <kostkon> installed*
[22:30] <in_deep_thought> virtualbox-ose?
[22:30] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, y
[22:31] <in_deep_thought> kostkon: ? , so sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose? y?
[22:31] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, y
[22:31] <in_deep_thought> I don’t understand
[22:32] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, (y)es
[22:32] <in_deep_thought> oh ok. yeah I did that.
[22:32] <in_deep_thought> still getting this though: https://bpaste.net/show/fd8c9873bdaf
[22:33] <kostkon> in_deep_thought, you need to install the headers as well
[22:33] <in_deep_thought> I thought thats what hkrrsx ’s suggestion did?
[22:34] <k1l_> "sudo apt-get remove virtualbox*" then "sudo rm -rf /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost" then install vbox again
[22:34] <hkrrsx> in_deep_thought: My suggestion should have installed the headers for your specific kernel
[22:34] <in_deep_thought> sudo apt-get -s install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[22:34] <hkrrsx> Although, the " -s " part is for Simulate, it's supposed to do a dry run and not actually install anything
[22:34] <k1l_> the issue is that a bug in vbox triggered now a bug in dkms.
[22:34] <hkrrsx> That's why I said remove the " -s " and run the command again, to actually commit the installation
[22:34] <JUDA92> sudo apt-get -s install linux-headers-3.13.0-49
[22:35] <k1l_> so get rid of vbox, remove the bad dkms folder and install vbox again
[22:35] <JUDA92> and install dkms
[22:36] <in_deep_thought> ah ha! k1l_ after trying what you said, VBoxManage —version works
[22:36] <in_deep_thought> 4.1.12_Ubuntur77245
[22:36] <in_deep_thought> thanks
[22:36] <k1l_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/+bug/830915 this is the bug, mark yourself as affected if you are already registered on launchpad
[22:38] <AndyS90> hey guys
[22:38] <bombo_> anyone has any idea if wicd is better then network manager? i am having isues (very slow conection) with my nm and want to switch to wicd.
[22:38] <AndyS90> anyone have any experience with networking and the isc-dhcp-server ?
[22:39] <Starwind> Can someone help me get grub reconfigured? Expanded my windows partition earlier which broke it. Figured it come back when I reinstalled ubuntu, but no luck :/
[22:40] <Starwind> Boot and Windows partition are on /dev/sdc while the ubuntu partion is on /dev/sdb
[22:40] <Starwind> Running live cd of ubuntu on the machine at the moment
[22:40] <laputa> hi, anyone familiar with comman 'find' ? i'm always confused that what's the different of using '-name' vs '-regex' ? both options can be use to match file names
[22:41] <MichaelTiebesl> Starwind:did you install ubuntu after?
[22:41] <Starwind> Yeah, installing ubuntu was the last thing I did.
[22:41] <MichaelTiebesl> is it uefi?
[22:41] <Bashing-om> Starwind: Show us what we are working with -> sudo parted -l | pastebinit <- .
[22:41] <Starwind> I think it installed grub to a different hard disk, so it's still booting from the previously broken grub
[22:43] <Starwind> http://pastebin.com/RyExCiwM
[22:44] <colby_> can anyone help me to install gnupg version 2 for use with enigamail
[22:46] <Starwind> I don't believe it's uefi MichaelTiebesl
[22:47] <MichaelTiebesl> i was checking your pastebin but it is on several discs
[22:47] <MichaelTiebesl> i dont saw your root from linux
[22:48] <Starwind> /dev/sdc is what I'd like to boot from.
[22:49] <Starwind> /dev/sda is just a storage drive. Not sure why it has boot flag. and /dev/sdb is the drive I install ubuntu onto
[22:49] <Starwind> The other is the flash drive I'm using to run live cd
[22:49] <Bashing-om> Starwind: From the liveDVD -> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt , sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sdb . Reboot and set in bios as the 2nd hard dtive as the boot priority . once booted into ubuntu, run -> sudo update-grub <- to pick up and chainload Windows to the grub boot menu .
[22:50] <Starwind> Will give it a shot. Thanks :)
[22:50] <MichaelTiebesl> Bashing-om:that should work
[22:50] <MichaelTiebesl> i was looking for the sdb1 to mount
[22:50] <labeeb32> hello. I cannot install ubuntu alongside windows 8.1. There is no such option but it shows full harddisk in one piece. I have MBR partition style.
[22:51] <k1l_> labeeb32: already have 4 primary partitions?
[22:51] <davevanloo> mehn: it sounds/looks like the adress is simply not reachable.. it could be that the server is (temporarily) off-line
[22:51] <davevanloo> never mind that.., seems i had not scrolled down o.O
[22:51] <Bashing-om> Starwind: Corection !! -> sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/ /dev/sdb >-// as /boot is not a separate partition . !!
[22:51] <k1l_> davevanloo: no, 12.10 is shut down since long time.
[22:52] <davevanloo> yea.., i was scrolled up it seems.. i noticed after posting made a little derp :P
[22:53] <Bashing-om> michaelni: If I had not of made that error .. let's see how it flies .
[22:53] <coffee-> hit the 'del' or 'f12' key during bootup screen to boot to windows drive?
[22:54] <wartdev> Hello team someone know if ubuntu work well in one Aspire E5-571
[22:54] <coffee-> or ubuntu
[22:54] <labeeb32> 1 primary, 2 logical, 1 recovery partition, 1 system boot
[22:55] <k1l_> labeeb32: so its already out of primaries. so get rid of one to make extended one and put the ubuntu partitions into that
[22:57] <labeeb32> if i do so, will the option "install alongside windows" be available?
[22:57] <OerHeks> wartdev, url for specs ?
[22:57] <chotaz> evening folks, anyone knows any good e-mail client for ubuntu? im looking for smth like airmail
[22:57] <OerHeks> chotaz, standard thunderbird is good.
[22:59] <chotaz> OerHeks, does its job, but I was looking for something more like gmail, that would organize email conversations like it does or smth like that
[22:59] <chotaz> and for some reason my alt+tab and super+tab suddenly stopped working
[23:00] <labeeb32> if i do so, will the option "install alongside windows" be available?
[23:00] <labeeb32> if i do so, will the option "install alongside windows" be available?
[23:00] <wartdev> OerHeks http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K2O4PCI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[23:01] <OerHeks> chotaz, thunderbird organizes email too, but you are free to try something else, i have no experience with other emailclients as thunderbird does it all.
[23:01] <OerHeks> wartdev, ubuntu should run fine, maybe the intel GPU is not that powerfull for games
[23:03] <wartdev> OerHeks thank you
[23:04] <chotaz> OerHeks, aaand I just found out thunderbird has add-ons silly me
[23:06] <bombo_> wartdev: i think that laptop will be just fine running ubuntu
[23:08] <starwind> I'm up and running. Thanks again guys for you help. :D
[23:10] <Bashing-om> starwind: Great !
[23:14] <poorUser> hi people, does anyone know how to get an X11 forwarding (ssh -Y user@host) without messing up the ubuntu's desktop?
[23:15] <poorUser> Xming X server does it perfectly, but unfortunally is for windows :(
[23:19] <orion> Hi. What's the best way to upload a deb in to a launchpad PPA?
[23:19] <orion> I have the final deb all ready to go.
[23:20] <OerHeks> orion, No, you cannot do that. Launchpad does not allow uploading of binary packages directly. It needs you to upload the dsc file along changes and original tarball. http://askubuntu.com/a/71212
[23:20] <orion> :<
[23:21] <OerHeks> even commercial packages need to be reviewed AFAIK
[23:21] <mehn> can i dist upgrade from quantual to whatever is current ubuntu?
[23:21] <mehn> has to be command line since it's just a digitalocean droplet
[23:21] <xangua> mehn: fresh install would be faster
[23:21] <OerHeks> mehn, sure, 12.10 > 13.04 > 13.10 > to supported 14.04 LTS
[23:22] <OerHeks> xangua +1
[23:22] <OerHeks> mehn, better ask digital ocean for a fresh 14.04
[23:25] <joe__> hello people, i just made a DIY wifi antena and i'm looking for a program that scan all the WLANs
[23:25] <joe__> and give me the power of reception of all of them in real time
[23:25] <OerHeks> joe__, wireshark maybe?
[23:26] <OerHeks> !info wireshark
[23:26] <joe__> thx !
[23:27] <joe__> any alternative to wireshark just in case ?
[23:27] <joe__> something more lite than i could run on a rasberry PI
[23:28] <poorUser> have fun with raspberry pi
[23:28] <poorUser> try wifite
[23:28] <poorUser> maybe are you looking for that ^^
[23:29] <poorUser> but i must warn you
[23:29] <joe__> yes ?
[23:29] <poorUser> raspberry pi has serious issues with networks
[23:29] <OerHeks> joe__, rasp pi 2 ?
[23:29] <billy__> Hi everyone, is the ubuntu bugsquad IRC still in use?
[23:29] <poorUser> you aren't the problem, but an heavy bugged driver
[23:30] <poorUser> just in case you'll have some freezes / disconnect
[23:30] <joe__> OerHeks, no rasp 1
[23:30] <OerHeks> joe__, then you are not running ubuntu, are you?
[23:30] <poorUser> debian
[23:30] <joe__> oh yeah for sur :/
[23:31] <orion> OerHeks: Grr... it's so much damn work to make a package.
[23:31] <poorUser> but is a strange fork adaptet for a bcm chipset
[23:31] <joe__> but now i'm trying the antena on my laptop
[23:31] <poorUser> you'll have less trouble with BeagleBone TI, and with olinuxino
[23:32] <joe__> yeah i heard of them they look pretty cool
[23:32] <OerHeks> billy__, sure, join #ubuntu-bug
[23:32] <OerHeks> billy__, sure, join #ubuntu-bugs *****
[23:32] <poorUser> i've hammered my raspberry pi for too many headache ^^
[23:32] <joe__> ahahah
[23:33] <billy__> thanks OerHeks, I'm actually on that channel, just haven't seen any activity
[23:34] <OerHeks> billy__, bugs usually are handled on launchpad, development and bughunters are hard to catch on irc
[23:34] <joe__> poorUser, have you try olinuxino ? is it good ?
[23:34] <poorUser> yep a way better
[23:35] <poorUser> with a normal debian distribution
[23:35] <OerHeks> !ot | joe__ poorUser
[23:35] <poorUser> ok
[23:44] <Kanov> hello, I have a really critical problem. I installed Python3.4 by source to /usr/local/bin and then "gi" through pip3 and now, everything is broken.
[23:44] <billy__> Thanks OerHeks, I'l check there
[23:44] <Kanov> I have pyobject installed but im still getting ImportError: No module named repository
[23:44] <Kanov> before I installed Python3.4 and "gi" through pip3, eveyrthing was working fine.
[23:44] <Kanov> the default python is 2.7
[23:45] <Kanov> any fix, please?
[23:45] <Kanov> since Ubuntu is highly reliant on Python, I am afraid that the next time I log in..my system will be broken
[23:45] <Kanov> so I need to fix this problem while I am still logged in, and I have only 10 minutes!
[23:45] <OerHeks> Kanov, why did you do that, ubuntu comes with python 3.4.2-1
[23:45] <Kanov> OerHeks; please, how can I fix this?
[23:46] <OerHeks> !info python3
[23:46] <joe__> k i'm running wifite now, but its listening on mon0 (mon0 is my wlan0 i guess ). i have wlan0 who is my default laptop wifi card and wlan0 who is my home-made antena. how do i get wifit working with wlan1 ?
[23:46] <Kanov> I have three versions of Python installed; 2.7, 3.2, 3.4
[23:46] <joe__> and wlan1 whos is my home-made antena*
[23:46] <Kanov> OerHeks; is there any solution or can I consider myself truly screwed?
[23:47] <OerHeks> Kanov, even ubuntu 14.04 lts has python 3.4 ... i don't know how to reverse your install, maybe someone knows?
[23:48] <OerHeks> * as i never used pip
[23:49] <jmaradin> Kanov: You will need to use pip to remove what you installed. Ubuntu already has a python 2 and 3 subsystem. Remove either at your systems peril.
[23:50] <Kanov> im on 12.04
[23:50] <Kanov> any help please?
[23:51] <OerHeks> Kanov, maybe this page is any help >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/173323/how-do-i-detect-and-remove-python-packages-installed-via-pip
[23:52] <scrapcode> I just built a new PC and now have 2 harddrives. 1) SSD w/ Xubuntu 14.04, and 2) 1TB HD with my old Windows install on it. I just got Win 8.1 for free through school and want to install it on the HD, will it overwrite my grub bootloader?
[23:52] <orion> .wc
[23:53] <nightwalkerkg> Kanov, what do you need ?
[23:53] <Kanov> nightwalkerkg; help
[23:53] <compdoc> scrapcode, which drive do you boot from?
[23:53] <brass_gauge> Hey, I've got a PPC iso of ubuntu 10.04 that I'm trying to get an old Powerbook G4 to boot off of from USB.
[23:53] <nightwalkerkg> xD What do you need help with ? Kanov
[23:53] <scrapcode> Currently I boot from the SSD
[23:53] <brass_gauge> I can't find the usb drive to boot from
[23:54] <brass_gauge> I've tried every variation of "boot usb0/disk@1:2,\\yaboot" I can think of
[23:54] <brass_gauge> with no result.
[23:54] <Kanov> nightwalkerkg; see above
[23:54] <nightwalkerkg> Kanov, i just joined, copy/paste it.
[23:55] <OerHeks> brass_gauge, check the mactel pages
[23:55] <OerHeks> !mac
[23:55] <Kanov> nightwalkerkg; I have several versions of Python installed and now my system is broken
[23:55] <brass_gauge> OerHeks: I'm on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#How_do_I_boot_from_a_USB_drive.3F, which is full of information
[23:56] <brass_gauge> but I can't get nuffin' to work
[23:56] <ronh> hello. what would be the best way to set up raid-1 that works under both windows and linux?
[23:56] <OerHeks> brass_gauge, all i know is that page, maybe someone here knows more about ppc/powerbooks G4
[23:57] <brass_gauge> Well, if there are any ppc experts around, I'd love to hear from them
[23:57] <hkrrsx> brass_gauge: 2 things .... 1.) Is the USB drive being detected at boot time by the BIOS and 2.) Is that USB drive set to boot before your current internal boot drive?
[23:57] <hkrrsx> btw, I know nothing either
[23:57] <brass_gauge> hkrrsx: with PPC you're pretty much required to boot through Open Firmware
[23:57] <brass_gauge> i.e. holding CMD+opt+O+F at boot
[23:57] <brass_gauge> and it's a command line
[23:58] <brass_gauge> the above link outlines the steps
[23:58] <hkrrsx> Yeah, applying PC logic to a Mac .... I'll show myself out
[23:58] <brass_gauge> and I've tried running ls / dev and devalias but I can't find a distinct boot option, nor do I even know how to interpret the tree that it spits out.
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-quality | [03:46] <elopio> ping veebers: I'm back. Can I help reviewing the tests?
[03:47] <veebers> elopio: ah they've finished now, 1000+ tests ran and it doesn't look like they timedout
[03:48] <veebers> elopio: lets split them somehow. I'm just in the process of trying to understand this autopilot proxy base/cpo stuff but will follow up the autopilot release soon
[03:49] <elopio> looks promising, 100 failures
[03:49] <elopio> veebers: I'll start reviewing, making notes in an etherpad.
[03:50] <veebers> elopio: ack. actually I'll hit this now too. I'll start from the bottom of the list
[03:50] <elopio> veebers: http://pad.ubuntu.com/autopilot-20150408
[03:51] <veebers> elopio: actually, it looks like the dashboard run for 165:20150408:20150210 is still running
[03:52] <elopio> veebers: would it be wrong to also use the results from 164?
[03:53] <elopio> last time I checked 3 old revisions for some unstable tests.
[03:54] <veebers> elopio: so you're suggesting check against 163:20150406:20150210? The failure amount seems about the same, yeah lets do that
[03:55] <elopio> veebers: right, 164 is already running. What I did was to start on the latest run. But if there were no results on that one, I started digging on older ones.
[03:57] <veebers> ah ok, I see
[03:57] <veebers> elopio: So I'll start from the bottom going up (camera-app, gallery, unity8 etc.)
[03:58] <veebers> ah awesome, they aren't alphabetically sorted. (so please note that I'm doing the gallery app tests :-))
[04:05] <elopio> veebers: your format is a lot more simple.
[04:07] <veebers> ^_^ I've done this a bunch of times, I have it down
[04:19] <elopio> veebers: I'm going to take messaging app.
[04:21] <veebers> elopio: that leaves reminders and music, I'll take them
[04:25] <veebers> done
[04:25] <elopio> veebers: done.
[04:28] <elopio> veebers: I'm not worried about any of this errors I couldn't match.
[04:32] <veebers> elopio: the unity8 ones concern me a little as there are 16 failures compared to 1. I think I'll re-run the gatekeeper with just the unity8 tests to run
[04:32] <elopio> veebers: ok. I can check the results tomorrow.
[04:35] <elopio> veebers: on image 156 we got 14 errors and on image 153 we got 19, so it's not likely this new version's fault. But a new run would be nice.
[04:38] <veebers> elopio: oh really? perhaps I didn't check well enough
[04:46] <veebers> elopio: do you mind checking the results tomorrow? There is a chance I can check them tonight as it's only one suite
[04:46] <elopio> veebers: I will check early tomorrow, np.
[04:52] <veebers> sweetbix xhwwea
[04:52] <veebers> lol, keyboard fail
[04:52] <veebers> sweetbix cheers*
[06:46] <elopio> ping pitti: could this be related to systemd? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1441893
[06:47] <elopio> I've been having problems with the network close to when I upgraded my vivid. But I also changed some things on my network, and my other machine survived the upgrade, so I don't know.
[06:47] <pitti> elopio: by the looks of it no; systemd does a lot, but wifi connections are between kernel, NetworkManager, and wpa_supplicant
[06:48] <pitti> elopio: I have such an effect sometimes, particularly when I'm travelling
[06:48] <elopio> pitti: any idea who should I ping to get this triaged?
[06:48] <pitti> elopio: most often the driver became confused, and I rmmod iwlwifi iwldvm and modprobe them again
[06:48] <elopio> my laptop without wifi won't be too useful for the sprint. So I might need to downgrade if I can't find a solution.
[06:49] <elopio> pitti: thanks, I'll try that.
[06:49] <pitti> elopio: if that helps, it should be reassigned to linux
[06:49] <pitti> elopio: does that only happen sporadically, or does it even not connect after a cold boot?
[06:50] <elopio> pitti: a couple of weeks ago I wasn't able to reconnect, but when I rebooted it connected without problems. Now it never connects.
[06:51] <pitti> elopio: just to rule that out you could try and boot with upstart; a better bet is probably to grab the utopic kernel and boot with that
[06:52] <pitti> and/or downgrade linux-firmware (where the intel fw is)
[07:00] <elopio> pitti: does it makes sense for it to say that iwldvm is not loaded when I try to rmmod ?
[07:00] <pitti> elopio: ah, you might have a different driver then
[07:01] <pitti> elopio: but the rmmod/modprobe trick only really works if it generally does connect, but starts failing after a few hours/days
[07:01] <pitti> if it never connects, it's not going to help that either
[07:01] <elopio> I'm trying upstart. And tomorrow I can try a utopic kernel.
[07:11] <elopio> pitti: yes, fails with upstart too. That's good to know.
[07:12] <elopio> tomorrow I'll keep trying stuff. Thanks for your help.
[07:13] <pitti> elopio: no worries; sleep well!
[07:13] <pitti> elopio: you said you changed your network from N to G, that's another variable of course
[07:13] <pitti> elopio: but if it worked before, trying older kernels is your best bet I think
[07:14] <elopio> yes, trying the old N network is easy actually. Good pointers, I'll update the bug with my findings.
[07:40] <pitti> fgimenez: for bug 1441023, is it enough for your setup to have this in git, or do you need that in vivid ASAP?
[07:41] <pitti> fgimenez: CI has a setup to build autopkgtest debs straight out of latest git and use that, thanks to vila
[07:42] <fgimenez> pitti, thanks it's not urgent, we have already forked the ssh-setup/adb script as we did in OTA
[07:43] <vila> elopio, pitti : hmm, now that you mention it, my laptop seem to just lose wifi access sometimes. My workaround is just to disable/enable wifi from the nm indicator
[07:45] <pitti> fgimenez: ack, then I'll just commit that for now, so that we don't have to fork the script long-term
[07:45] <vila> fgimenez, pitti : my gut feeling is that it should be easier than forking the ssh-setup/adb script, this happened twice for QA and once for CI lately. We're approaching the Refactoring Triangulation Golden Threshold ;)
[07:46] <pitti> it's too early for such fancy buzzwords!
[07:46] <vila> ;-D
[07:46] * pitti goes to recalibrate the plasma phase inverters
[11:02] <nerochiaro> pitti: i am packaging a library that we eventually want to get into ubuntu, and i am working on autopkgtest tests. is there a way for me to have adt-run use a PPA to get the package that needs to be tested ? (totally new to autopkgtest, so pardon the ignorance)
[11:05] <pitti> nerochiaro: there is, but it seems much easier to build the package locally, and tell adt-run to use the local debs?
[11:06] <pitti> nerochiaro: i. e. case 6 or 7 in https://people.debian.org/~mpitt/autopkgtest/README.running-tests.html (aka /usr/share/doc/autopkgtest/README.running-tests.html)
[11:07] <nerochiaro> pitti: oh, that is the piece of docs i was missing. reading it now, thanks
[11:07] <pitti> nerochiaro: if you really want to test a ppa, you could use somethign like --setup-commands "add-apt-repository ppa:foo/bar; apt-get update"
[11:07] <nerochiaro> pitti: sounds much easier with local packages
[11:07] <pitti> or --setup-commands "add-apt-repository ppa:foo/bar" -U if you also want to dist-upgrade to that PPA
[11:07] <pitti> nerochiaro: it for sure is, also faster turnaround
[11:31] <pitti> jibel: so http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#systemd has lots of "test in progress" again which have long finished
[11:32] <pitti> jibel: can I just remove the stamp files like ./work/vivid-proposed_amd64_bluez.20150408-161109.state or do I need to update something else too?
[11:32] <pitti> like results.history or the individual result files like ./vivid-proposed_amd64_bluez ?
[12:25] <nerochiaro> pitti: is any way to be able to run graphical tests using adt-run ?
[12:25] * pitti removes the stamp files and sees what happens
[12:26] <pitti> nerochiaro: sure; most packages which do that use xvfb; the ubuntu touch packages require running on a testbed which has mir and unity8 running
[12:26] <pitti> nerochiaro: xvfb is certainly the most generic way as it avoids any particular assumption about the testbed you run it on
[12:26] <nerochiaro> pitti: does xvfb support GL ?
[12:27] <pitti> nerochiaro: kind of; it uses mesa's software renderer
[12:27] <nerochiaro> pitti: let me give it a shot then
[12:28] <pitti> nerochiaro: note that for GL to work you need 24 bit color depth, the default is only 8
[12:28] <pitti> nerochiaro: so xvfb-run -s '-screen 0 1024x768x24' yourprogram ...
[12:29] <pitti> nerochiaro: check: xvfb-run -s '-screen 0 1024x768x24' glxinfo
[12:30] <pitti> without the -s it will just say "libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found"
[12:33] <nerochiaro> pitti: GL seems to work, but xvfb seems to be missing the RANDR extension. I tried adding -s '+extension RANDR' but it still complains
[12:34] <pitti> nerochiaro: ah, that's a rather old bug indeed -- it seems http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2013-January/035114.html never got applied upstream :/
[12:34] <pitti> nerochiaro: that can still be done if you need it, but it's a bit more complicated to set up
[12:34] <pitti> nerochiaro: you can use the normal xorg-xserver and create an xorg.conf which uses the "dummy" driver; that does support (some) xrandr
[12:34] <pitti> Section "Device"
[12:34] <pitti> Identifier "test"
[12:34] <pitti> Driver "dummy"
[12:34] <pitti> EndSection
[12:35] <pitti> then just start X in the background, wait until the /tmp/.X11-unix/X* socket is there (depends on the $DISPLAY number you start the server under), and it should work
[12:36] <nerochiaro> pitti: as an aside, if the tests fail, is there any way to open a shell into the testbed to inspect things and figure out what is wrong ?
[12:36] <pitti> nerochiaro: adt-run -s
[12:36] <pitti> see "debugging options:" in --help
[12:36] <pitti> (or manpage)
[12:38] * pitti bbl
[13:34] <dobey> jfunk, elopio: api qa call?
[14:37] <nerochiaro> elopio: i am having problems running unit tests that use qmlscene in virtualized environments. I was told you might be able to help, or know someone who might.
[14:38] <elopio> nerochiaro: are you using xvfb ?
[14:38] <nerochiaro> elopio: yes
[14:53] <elopio> nerochiaro: sorry, I was in a meeting.
[14:53] <elopio> nerochiaro: you are talking about unit tests with qmltestrunner?
[14:54] <nerochiaro> elopio: essentially yes
[14:55] <nerochiaro> elopio: one goal is to be able to run them as part of the package build (dg_auto_test) and the other as part of debian autopkgtest
[14:55] <nerochiaro> er, dh_auto_test
[14:56] <elopio> nerochiaro: and this is in the camera, right?
[14:57] <nerochiaro> elopio: no, it is for a library that we wrote that we are going to use in the camera: lp:qt-halide
[14:57] <elopio> nerochiaro: ok, I will try to run them with bzr bd.
[14:57] <elopio> nerochiaro: should I take trunk or a branch?
[14:58] <nerochiaro> elopio: at the moment dh_auto_test is overriden to do nothing so you will need to put that back
[14:58] <nerochiaro> elopio: trunk is ok for this purpose
[14:58] <nerochiaro> elopio: just running debuild -uc -us -b should be more than enough to show the problem once you have fixed the dh_auto_test so that it runs the tests
[14:59] <nerochiaro> elopio: but i guess bzr bd does the same underneath
[14:59] <elopio> nerochiaro: where do I get halide-lang from?
[15:00] <nerochiaro> elopio: ppa:phablet-team/ppa
[15:48] <elopio> nerochiaro: ok. I think you should copy most of this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/address-book-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/qml/CMakeLists.txt
[15:48] <elopio> after building it, I'm not sure which is the build dir that we need to use to find the compile qthalide though, so I haven't been able to get a successful run.
[15:49] <nerochiaro> elopio: that does not help me much. the only piece of info in there is that I need to call xvfb with options -a -s "-screen 0 1024x768x24"
[15:50] <nerochiaro> elopio: which i was already doing
[15:50] <nerochiaro> elopio: do you build in the tree or out of the tree ? or do you build the packages and install them ?
[15:50] <elopio> nerochiaro: this adds a make test task
[15:51] <elopio> then without overwrite the dh test rule, the tests will run.
[15:51] <elopio> oh, well, actually the make test task might be in a previous CMakeFile
[15:52] <elopio> nerochiaro: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/address-book-app/trunk/view/head:/CMakeLists.txt
[15:53] <elopio> see there enable_testing, USE_XVFB
[15:53] <nerochiaro> elopio: make check does run the tests
[15:55] <elopio> pitti: I switched the network to G, and it works. So the problem seems to be my laptop not handling N networks.
[16:12] <elopio> nerochiaro: ok, I'm getting now QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display
[16:12] <elopio> Aborted (core dumped)
[16:12] <elopio> is that your problem?
[16:13] <nerochiaro> elopio: that was the problem before using xvfb. I thought i had changed that already, sorry
[16:14] <nerochiaro> elopio: in fact I just found out that the issue I am having is related to the fact that in xvfb openGL is handled through mesa and there seem to be some things we are doing in qt-halide that don't play well with that
[16:15] <nerochiaro> elopio: let me investigate a bit more in that direction, and if I can't find a solution there I might ask for some more help next week
[16:16] <elopio> nerochiaro: cool, let us know how it goes. Please remember to ping the vanguard.
[16:17] <nerochiaro> elopio: ok.will do
[16:17] <nerochiaro> elopio: thanks for the help so far
[16:17] <pitti> elopio: ah, it sounded like you were switching from N to G (i. e. the older/slower/easier one)
[16:17] <elopio> pitti: that was a typo on the bug. I corrected that.
[16:19] <elopio> nerochiaro: your welcome. Though I didn't do much :) One thing I would like is for all the projects from your team to follow the same cmake style. Maybe discuss with renato about which one is better?
[16:19] <nerochiaro> elopio: i was not aware they were using a differen one
[17:48] <elopio> nuclearbob: you are vanguard right now.
[17:48] <nuclearbob> elopio: yes. Do I need to update the topic?
[17:49] <elopio> nuclearbob: no, I just wanted to confirm that I can relax :)
[17:49] <nuclearbob> elopio: yep, take a break :)
[17:49] <elopio> soon. Thanks man.
[18:28] <elopio> hey veebers
[18:28] <elopio> I have reviewed only one unity test. Sorry, I was surprised by a morning full of meetings.
[18:30] <veebers> elopio: no worries :-)
[19:40] <elopio> veebers: I'm done checking the 10 unity failures.
[19:41] <elopio> veebers: they are not new errors for sure. I'm not sure what to do. It might be that this release make them appear more often, which would be bad. Or it might just be that this was an unlucky execution.
[19:51] <veebers> elopio: right, hmm, Unfortunately I would suggest we make a gatekee . . .wait a sec gotta check something
[19:53] <veebers> elopio: so, um, _totally_ on purpose that latest run didn't even use the silo ppa. So I'll fire off a run now so we can compare it
[19:53] <veebers> (which is what I was going to suggest, just in the reverse order :-P)
[20:03] <elopio> veebers: hah, good trick.
[20:04] <veebers> elopio: yeah, sorry about that :-P
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[20:29] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello!
[20:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, howzit ?
[20:30] <balloons> trying to get back into the flow of things.. always crazy
[20:30] <balloons> yourself?
[20:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, fine, thanks.
[20:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, If you got time I have some mp for calendar app and rssreader
[20:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, just to let you know, I imagine you are probably busy
[20:31] <Letozaf_> :)
[20:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, sure send me some links
[20:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-calendar-app/dayview-test-default-view/+merge/253760
[20:32] <Letozaf_> https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-calendar-app/weekview-testing-stubs-completed/+merge/254495
[20:32] <Letozaf_> https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/unique-random-topic/+merge/253281 | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.259425 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Letozaf_",
"balloons",
"dobey",
"elopio",
"fgimenez",
"nerochiaro",
"nuclearbob",
"pitti",
"veebers",
"vila"
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"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/09/%23ubuntu-quality.txt",
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-cn | [00:01] <^k^> 新 办公、图像、机械电子设计等 • libreoffice writer对图片的缩放处理bug http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469373 裁剪---缩放，选择保持比例 ，缩放比例上进行选择，但是宽度，高度并不能同步，见附件。 近两年来一直如此，但是我清晰的记得两年前不是这样的，高度宽度会同步缩放，本
[00:01] <^k^> ─> 人系统：mint 17.1，LO 4.3。 如果在 类型---大小，选择保持比例，调节大小，高度宽度会同 …
[00:44] <Z|C> 又是没人么－ －
[01:15] <Z|C> 我打算买房子了 谁能给些建议 我对于房子一窍不通
[01:23] <hoxily> jusss: zao
[01:23] <jusss> hoxily: 早
[01:24] <jusss> hoxily: 帮我搞搞网站吧
[01:24] <jusss> hoxily: 这么久了，连个页面都没有
[01:24] <jusss> hoxily: jusss.org
[01:24] <alvin_rxg> Title: Welcome to nginx! (@ jusss.org)
[01:24] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/35606.html 很会损人、挖苦的幽默男女 : 四个人两对情侣一起吃饭,男朋友夹了一块肉放到我碗里,随口说了一句:烫,小心点……旁边的那个妹纸瞪了他男朋友一眼:看看人家还怕自己的媳妇儿烫到呢,你管都不管我！她男朋友来了一句:你的智商
[01:24] <^k^> ─> 比她高……
[01:29] <jusss> 哪个网银支持firefox了？
[01:29] <jusss> 上次说的好几个忘了
[01:29] <jusss> jiero: 哪个网银支持firefox？
[01:36] <jiero> jusss: 还是没解决，谁告诉我如何 systemctl 那种不需要root权限呢。
[01:36] <jusss> jiero: arch, systemctl不用root权限
[01:36] <jusss> 难道别的发行版都不设suid吗？
[01:37] <jiero> jusss: 我说的是特定指令哦 systemctl suspend 不需要。
[01:37] <jiero> jusss: 好吧，我去查查
[01:37] <jusss> jiero: 北京地铁附近哪有银行？
[01:38] <jiero> jusss: 北京地铁有40公里长
[01:38] <jiero> jusss: 错了至少有200公里
[01:38] <jusss> jiero: 你熟悉的，离地铁近的
[01:39] <jiero> jusss: 记不得。在北京我经常坐公交。国家图书馆附近有。首都图书馆附近有。
[01:45] <hoxily> jusss: using wordpress or other frameworks.
[01:55] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 壕对这东西有研究没? http://www.soylent.me/
[01:55] <O0XX|Qiong> happyaron: http://www.soylent.me/
[01:55] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong: ⇪ Soylent - Free Your Body pp: 85
[02:02] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 没有研究过啊，我关心的是我每天买的这小摊外卖居然动不动涨价
[02:02] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 又涨了? 那肯定是大西二旗地区又发奖金了...
[02:03] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: .....
[02:03] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 你在哪买? 辉煌底下那个?
[02:03] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 那个涨价是因为百度普涨工资了..
[02:04] <BuMangHuo> ...
[02:04] <jiero> BuMangHuo: 赶紧涨工资吧。
[02:04] <BuMangHuo> 正要谈
[02:04] <sjd_zeus> 各位早呀
[02:05] <BuMangHuo> TMD， 一个西红柿鸡蛋都张了1块
[02:05] <BuMangHuo> 2块
[02:05] <BuMangHuo> 一碗米饭都tm涨了一块
[02:06] <sjd_zeus> 过两年，米饭都吃不起了，大米便宜的都得3块多一斤
[02:06] <Z|C> 。。
[02:06] <Z|C> 我去 我快成房奴了
[02:10] <sjd_zeus> 公交也坐不起了
[02:10] <sjd_zeus> 今天下单买了个自行车，骑车上班了
[02:10] <Z|C> 我要买的房子里公司地铁1小时
[02:11] <Z|C> 还特么贵死
[02:12] <sjd_zeus> 我都不敢买
[02:12] <Z|C> 你哪里啊
[02:12] <Z|C> 不敢买
[02:12] <sjd_zeus> 我在盘算着，要是付了首付买了房子，得还多少年债
[02:12] <sjd_zeus> 帝都呀
[02:12] <Z|C> 我去
[02:12] <Z|C> 帝都更贵
[02:13] <Z|C> 少年 慎重 珍重
[02:13] <sjd_zeus> 下半辈子砸房子里面了
[02:13] <Z|C> 肯定的
[02:13] <Z|C> 首付不得个百八十万的么
[02:13] <sjd_zeus> Z|C没那么贵
[02:13] <Z|C> 我打算买个140w左右的
[02:14] <sjd_zeus> Z|C你哪个城市呀
[02:14] <Z|C> 上海
[02:14] <sjd_zeus> 你那也不是什么好地
[02:14] <Z|C> － －
[02:14] <sjd_zeus> 北上广都不是宜居城市
[02:14] <Z|C> 没办法
[02:14] <Z|C> 我觉得上海还讲究
[02:14] <sjd_zeus> 工作还可以，居住不好
[02:14] <Z|C> 将就吧
[02:14] <sjd_zeus> 环境差
[02:14] <Z|C> 那倒是
[02:15] <Z|C> 北京140w我都不敢想买哪里
[02:15] <Z|C> 估计都出了北京城了
[02:15] <sjd_zeus> 好多工种只有在这种城市能找到活干
[02:15] <Z|C> 上海起码还能找个地方
[02:16] <Z|C> http://sh.house.qq.com/zt2015/mfj35/index.htm 看看 买房的那些破事
[02:16] <^k^> Z|C: ⇪ 买房记35期：丈母娘要担起买房的重任吗_腾讯房产上海站_腾讯网
[02:17] <Z|C> 哎呀 ^k^ 是机器人么
[02:17] <sjd_zeus> 小K是rbt,天天乱嚷嚷
[02:17] <sjd_zeus> test
[02:17] <^k^> sjd_zeus:点点点. 10:16
[02:17] <sjd_zeus> 没事可以调戏下小K
[02:17] <sjd_zeus> time
[02:17] <Z|C> 我去 这么智能
[02:18] <jiero> test
[02:18] <^k^> jiero:点点点. 10:17
[02:18] <sjd_zeus> 小K可以给你报时
[02:18] <Z|C> time
[02:18] * jiero 打 ^k^
[02:18] <sjd_zeus> 你要用test来调戏他
[02:18] <Z|C> ^k^ time
[02:18] <Z|C> test
[02:18] <^k^> Z|C:点点点. 10:18
[02:18] <jiero> sjd_zeus: 北上广才是适宜人类的地方。
[02:19] <sjd_zeus> www.baidu.com
[02:19] <jiero> sjd_zeus: 人类就该窝在一起。
[02:19] <alvin_rxg> Title: 百度一下，你就知道 (@ baidu.com)
[02:19] <Z|C> test time
[02:19] <sjd_zeus> 8.8.8.8
[02:19] <^k^> sjd_zeus, 8.8.8.8 美国 加利福尼亚州圣克拉拉县山景市谷歌公司DNS服务器
[02:19] <sjd_zeus> 255.255.255.255
[02:19] <Z|C> 哎
[02:19] <^k^> sjd_zeus, 255.255.255.255 纯真网络 2013年10月10日IP数据
[02:19] <sjd_zeus> 114.114.114.114
[02:19] <^k^> sjd_zeus, 114.114.114.114 江苏省南京市 南京信风网络科技有限公司DNS服务器
[02:19] <sjd_zeus> 1.1.1.1
[02:19] <^k^> sjd_zeus, 1.1.1.1 澳大利亚 亚太互联网络信息中心
[02:19] <Z|C> 192.168.1.1
[02:19] <^k^> Z|C, 192.168.1.1 局域网 对方和您在同一内部网
[02:20] <Z|C> 110.110.110.110
[02:20] <sjd_zeus> Z|CO(∩_∩)O哈哈~
[02:20] <^k^> Z|C, 110.110.110.110 黑龙江省哈尔滨市 铁通
[02:20] <Z|C> 调戏人家不好
[02:20] <^k^> Z|C, .. 休息一下 .. 10:20
[02:21] <Z|C> 我去
[02:21] <Z|C> 不说了，赶紧多搬几块砖，攒钱买房
[02:22] <sjd_zeus> 我也得干活去了
[02:28] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1246236
[02:29] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Bug #1246236 “pxe boot from maas fails due to time out” : Bugs : maas package : Ubuntu
[02:29] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 13年报得，现在还没修复
[02:29] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • ubutu 14.10安装问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469374 笔记本安装ubutu要求笔记本必须支持uefi启动吗？我的acer 4738G安装ubutu的时候提示 failed to load ldlinux.c32。在新的电脑上安装就没有问题。 我用的UltraISO做的优盘启动盘。 zz: wanghuiwyx — 2015-04-09 9:09
[02:29] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: C家这种不要太多啊
[02:30] <MSErgo4K> freeflying: 08年报的现在没修也正常啊.
[02:30] <MSErgo4K> freeflying: 13年报的bug, 现在修了的最多10%
[02:31] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: MSErgo4K 你们这些高级黑
[02:31] <freeflying> lol
[02:31] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 大盘一下又回到39xx多了，昨天还赚500多，现在赔20多了
[02:33] <jusss> hoxily: 你说有没有一种语言专门去生成其它语言？
[02:33] <jusss> hoxily: 比如叫x吧，然后x可以用同样的语法生成py c lisp bash 各种语言
[02:39] <onlylove> freeflying: 候总知道adam昨天赚了多少不
[02:41] <freeflying> 蛋蛋分分钟进账几千万不跟玩似得
[02:42] <hoxily> jusss: C/C++都是先转换到汇编，其他的虚拟机语言则翻译成中间语言（字节码），
[02:43] <hoxily> jusss: 但是想要反过来，从汇编生成C、C++就很难。
[02:44] <hoxily> jusss: 想要实现你说的x语言，它必须是比 py/c/lisp/bash 抽象级别更高的语言。
[02:46] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: skype现在网页版也能用了
[02:46] <jusss> dsl
[02:46] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 可以在网站上果聊了?
[02:46] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 登陆outlook.com就可以
[02:46] <alvin_rxg> Title: *HTTPS* 登录 (@ live.com *FROM* outlook.com)
[02:47] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 可以视频?
[02:47] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 貌似不行
[02:47] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 那就是网页版文字聊天啊
[02:47] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 其实是以前的msn online
[02:48] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 微软把它们都整合到outlook.com去了
[02:48] <freeflying> ondrive、office365这些
[02:49] <Z|C> outlook真心不好用
[02:49] * O0XX|Qiong 夭寿啦!
[03:02] <sjd_zeus> skype在Linux上的视频聊天不错
[03:02] <sjd_zeus> 传文件比较慢
[03:07] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: https://cursiveclojure.com/userguide/
[03:07] <^k^> MSErgo4K: ⇪ Cursive: Getting Started
[03:08] <sjd_zeus> http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Paper-DPT-S1-Japan-Import/dp/B00H7MWD0O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405757568&sr=8-1&keywords=Sony+DPT-S1
[03:08] <^k^> sjd_zeus: ⇪ Amazon.com : SONY Digital Paper DPT-S1 [Japan Import : Japanese Memu Language ] : Computers & Accessories pp: $97.30
[03:08] <sjd_zeus> 这东西值得入手吗？
[03:09] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 拜亿人斩
[03:10] <O0XX|Qiong> sjd_zeus: 买买买
[03:10] <MSErgo4K> bu
[03:10] <MSErgo4K> BuMangHuo: 你又升级了?
[03:10] <MSErgo4K> sjd_zeus: 当然值得买了.
[03:10] <MSErgo4K> sjd_zeus: 因为业内没有替代品.
[03:10] <MSErgo4K> sjd_zeus: 换句话说, 大法家独一份.
[03:11] <MSErgo4K> sjd_zeus: 好用到报表.
[03:14] <Z|C> 我去 这什么东西
[03:14] <Z|C> 这么贵
[03:15] <sjd_zeus> elink屏的东西
[03:15] <sjd_zeus> kindle看pdf嫌小了，这个看合适
[03:16] <Z|C> 电纸书？
[03:16] <Z|C> 这么贵
[03:24] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 只有一家有这么大, 随意写笔记, 翻页无延迟的elink reader
[03:24] <MSErgo4K> eink
[03:24] <MSErgo4K> e-ink
[03:25] <Z|C> 可是挺贵的
[03:26] <Z|C> 1000多美刀
[03:26] <Z|C> 折合人民币多少了
[03:26] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 正版书一本四五十美金. 用这个看盗版, 二十本书就值回来了.
[03:27] <Z|C> 四五十美金一本书在美国不算贵，同样 1000多美刀在美国也不离谱 关键是我们拿中国的工资买国外的消费水平的东西
[03:27] <Z|C> 就贵了
[03:28] <gfxmode> Z|C: 赞同
[03:29] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 因为很多书国内没有啊~ 刚需
[03:29] <Z|C> 我英文水平不好。。。
[03:29] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 美帝那边平均工资也就4k或者5k美金而已啊.
[03:29] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 换成人民币也没多高
[03:29] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 错了, 平均3k到4k
[03:30] <Z|C> 所以了 4分之一的价格买个电子书 相当于我们买个一千多
[03:30] <Z|C> 要是换成我们 就是5倍了
[03:31] * O0XX|Qiong 弱爆了..一个树莓派都搞不定...
[03:31] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 要这么说, 老外买的levis都是十几美金的, 国内买条裤子都是过度消费了
[03:32] <Z|C> 8块钱一罐子的老干妈在美国还能卖到几十美刀 也是奢侈品
[03:33] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 得看需求啊, 那我想看的书就是没有中文版, 怎么破?
[03:33] <Z|C> 看英文啊
[03:33] <Z|C> 把英语学好不就行了嘛
[03:34] <palomino|working> .......
[03:34] <chong`> hello
[03:35] <^k^> chong`:点点点. 11:34
[03:35] <chong`> ^k^: time
[03:35] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 这太正常了啊
[03:35] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 英文的贵啊
[03:35] <Z|C> 肯定的
[03:35] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 英文书几十美金啊
[03:35] <chong`> 影印版便宜
[03:36] <chong`> :-D
[03:36] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 对啊, 问题就出在这里了, 所以, 有需求, 几十美金的也要买啊
[03:36] <MSErgo4K> chong`: 不是都有影印版.
[03:36] <MSErgo4K> chong`: 影印版多出现在入门读物和大学教材.
[03:36] <MSErgo4K> chong`: 然后就是经典读物了
[03:36] <chong`> 计算机的影印版常见
[03:37] <^k^> chong`,
[03:37] <chong`> ……
[03:37] <chong`> ^k^: ?
[03:38] <^k^> chong`, 休息一下.. 11:37
[03:38] <chong`> ^k^:不是ircbot吧
[03:39] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 最近suv都在打折，你不下手啊
[03:39] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 没钱
[03:39] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 我又不是 adam 壕
[03:40] <^k^> chong`,
[03:41] <jiero> freeflying HowIsItGoing 买航拍器吧。就不买普通摄像机了
[03:41] <jiero> freeflying HowIsItGoing壕们，那个才 7300
[03:41] <HowIsItGoing> jiero: 你在说啥？
[03:41] <jiero> HowIsItGoing: http://www.dji.com/product/phantom-3
[03:41] <^k^> jiero: ⇪ Phantom 3 | DJI
[03:42] <jiero> HowIsItGoing: 可以用来偷窥偷窥。
[03:42] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 蛋蛋昨天清仓了？
[03:42] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 他昨天没出，今天估计也回到解放前了
[03:42] <QiongMangHuo> 卧槽 某人真是一贯的
[03:43] <QiongMangHuo> freeflying: 不是说你
[03:43] <freeflying> QiongMangHuo: 你昨天出来没
[03:43] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: QiongMangHuo 砸进去了？
[03:43] <QiongMangHuo> freeflying: 现在说你, 你也搞笑, 这就是我懒得推荐的原因, 涨20%+你不说, 稍微跌个三四点就紧张...
[03:44] <freeflying> QiongMangHuo: 我那点钱紧张毛啊
[03:44] <QiongMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 这点跌幅我才不在乎
[03:44] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 新风好贵啊。
[03:44] <freeflying> QiongMangHuo: 全亏了也没几个
[03:44] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 壕
[03:44] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 壕
[03:44] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 壕
[03:44] <QiongMangHuo> freeflying: 几天就涨了20%+ 今天止跌三四个点 怎么就解放前了?
[03:44] <freeflying> QiongMangHuo: 我只是觉得好玩啊，早起4000点，一转眼就3900了
[03:45] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 叔儿，俺是经历过从6600一转眼到1800的人，这点根本不是事儿
[03:45] <QiongMangHuo> 和别人讨论就是影响心态和判断, 去年被马老板烦死
[03:45] <freeflying> QiongMangHuo: 好，我坚定了你的荐股实力，下一波还等你给我推荐
[03:46] <QiongMangHuo> freeflying: HowIsItGoing 唉... 某个同事, 从不来办公室, 大老板一来他就过来 三四年了 一直这样 无语
[03:46] <freeflying> QiongMangHuo: 淡定啊，反正他和你没交集
[03:46] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 你都没到C家三四年，装毛线。 lol
[03:47] <QiongMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 两年多, 在之前的也听别人吐槽过
[03:47] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: RAV4/翼虎最近优惠都不错
[03:47] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 不碰一汽不碰长安
[03:48] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 那没啥好选得了
[03:48] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 买一汽还不如买国产。品控渣到爆
[03:49] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 就算VW我都倾向于上海，一汽真心毁牌子。不过不知道新的佛山工厂咋样，没见过佛山造的车
[03:51] <jiero> 以后弹弓打飞机的时代 -
[03:53] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 尼桑没优惠
[03:53] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 没啥可选的了
[03:53] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 现代？
[03:53] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 新奇骏还不错，不过还得等一阵儿
[03:54] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 等有钱了考虑弄个长城，出去豁也不心疼。
[03:55] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 绝对霸道啊
[03:55] <freeflying> HowIsItGoing: 霸道陆巡这些比较符合你的风格
[03:56] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 我有啥风格……
[03:58] <QiongMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 霸道
[03:59] <jiero> HowIsItGoing: 霸道
[03:59] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 我也想从来都不来, 然后大老板来我也不来
[04:00] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 看出来了, 这就是你坚决不进#beijing的原因
[04:00] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 那个频道干嘛的?
[04:00] <jiero> QiongMangHuo: 那是什么。。。
[04:00] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: #office-beijing
[04:00] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 那个频道没啥人气啊
[04:00] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 你这是怕自己犬儒吧
[04:00] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 大家也不讨论问题.
[04:00] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: ... ...
[04:01] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 那个频道就是提醒过去搬水果的
[04:01] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 哦, nancy之前总是ping我让我过去拿
[04:02] <O0XX|Qiong> HowIsItGoing: 霸道
[04:05] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 佣金宝太耗电了
[04:05] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 我都是用的石猴才开啊
[04:05] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: web能看不
[04:05] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 你有ie么?
[04:05] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 要装插件
[04:06] <QiongMangHuo> freeflying: 同花顺啊
[04:06] <^k^> 新 Shell脚本 • cmd=ls; $cmd的运行结果不像直接ls有颜色区分，why？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469375 在学习从gnu下载的Bash文档，其中说明了Bash对命令解析操作的步骤。 上机实验，分别用两种方式ls： Code: cmd=ls $cmd 结果字体都是一个颜色 Code: ls 结果有颜色区分 应该和Bash分析执行的
[04:06] <^k^> ─> 步骤有关？ 对其理解不深，感觉困惑。望大神分析下原因。 zz: Vizzt — 2015-04-09 11:45
[04:06] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 用同花顺的话是不是还得注册帐号?
[04:07] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 没用过
[04:08] <freeflying> QiongMangHuo: mac上有同花顺？
[04:08] <QiongMangHuo> freeflying: 母鸡啊
[04:08] <QiongMangHuo> freeflying: http://download.10jqka.com.cn/free/mac/
[04:08] <^k^> QiongMangHuo: ⇪ 同花顺免费炒股软件下载_免费PC股票软件排行榜_同花顺下载中心
[04:09] <O0XX|Qiong> 靠!
[04:09] <O0XX|Qiong> rm *了!!!
[04:09] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 让你不用zsh...
[04:09] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: zsh会问你是不是真的要清空目录
[04:10] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 请允悲
[04:10] <QiongMangHuo> 都会问得啊
[04:10] <tryit> O0XX|Qiong, 恭喜
[04:11] <tryit> O0XX|Qiong, 想当年直接在生产机上错误执行脚本 rm * -rf
[04:11] * O0XX|Qiong 妈妈的啊!
[04:11] <tryit> O0XX|Qiong, 未检查变量，结果是个空变量，就成了 rm * -rf
[04:11] <tryit> O0XX|Qiong, 最关键是以 root 执行！
[04:12] <onlylove__> 我觉得应该加个命令，unrm
[04:12] * O0XX|Qiong 还好我是在我自己~/Downloads下
[04:12] <O0XX|Qiong> 我珍藏的片片啊!
[04:12] <tryit> O0XX|Qiong, .................
[04:12] <onlylove__> O0XX|Qiong: 多大事，再下
[04:12] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 昨天微博上很火的深航空姐视频?
[04:15] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: MSErgo4K 吃饭庆祝一下?
[04:16] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 球快递一份
[04:17] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 熊.
[04:17] <QiongMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 是说去食堂...
[04:17] <HowIsItGoing> O0XX|Qiong: 再下撒，告诉过你只保存种子
[04:17] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 熊?
[04:17] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 行.
[04:17] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 吃食堂庆祝？ 这算哪门子庆祝
[04:17] <QiongMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 穷人的生活你没法想象
[04:20] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 穷人的生活你没法想象
[04:24] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: http://faxian.smzdm.com/p/499255
[04:24] <^k^> MSErgo4K: ⇪ 再特价：LODGE L8SGP3 铸铁方形煎锅 $19.97+$15.22直邮中国（约￥220）_美国亚马逊优惠_发现频道_什么值得买
[04:25] <freeflying> MSErgo4K: 买买买
[04:29] <Z|C> ^k^ 小k怎么老是推荐买东西啊
[04:29] <Z|C> 什么情况
[04:31] <^k^> Z|C, .. 休息一下 .. 12:30
[04:39] <ugoub> git diff 在diff vimdiff
[04:39] <HowIsItGoing> freeflying: 买买买
[04:40] <BuMangHuo> 早啊 HowIsItGoing freeflying QiongMangHuo O0XX|Qiong MSErgo4K onlylove_
[04:40] * BuMangHuo 拜 happyaron
[05:03] <MSErgo4K> BuMangHuo: 早.
[05:13] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: Product Dimensions: 18 x 18 x 19.6 inches ; 21 pounds
[05:13] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00007E7RY
[05:13] <^k^> MSErgo4K: ⇪ Amazon.com - Honeywell 50250-S 99.97% Pure HEPA Round Air Purifier - Hepa Filter Air Purifiers pp: $121.72
[05:15] <O0XX|Qiong> if_e1se:胸!
[05:16] <O0XX|Qiong> if_e1se: 能搞到小米净化器的码么?
[05:16] <if_e1se> O0XX|Qiong: 不能 ...
[05:16] <if_e1se> O0XX|Qiong: 好几个月不发净化器的码了。还是人肉抢吧。
[05:18] <nyfair> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=467948&p=3130254#p3130254
[05:18] <^k^> ⇪ ti: 今天更新 notepad plus 后发现…… - 查看主题 • Ubuntu中文论坛 zz: nyfair
[05:18] <nyfair> 三大八呢，来战！
[05:19] <nyfair> 敢黑我大驴教！
[05:20] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 这个频道有天主教徒 伊斯兰教徒 拉面教徒, 还是别引站了
[05:20] * QiongMangHuo 当然还有很多膜蛤的
[05:22] * O0XX|Qiong 长者无敌!
[05:23] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 3.25免邮码就过期了
[05:23] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 后来没再发过
[05:23] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 嗷~
[05:23] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 用个毛...
[05:23] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 还是让 O0XX|Qiong 给我背锅吧
[05:23] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 我让他帮我背个空气净化器
[05:23] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 背啥锅?
[05:25] <nyfair> 古兰经都没看过两篇也人学狗样的黑驴教
[05:25] <nyfair> 古兰经可是一直告诫信徒，人要谦虚勤劳和蔼公正
[05:26] <nyfair> 非要拿ISIS的教义当驴教
[05:26] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 开玩笑, 辣么重肯定不让你背的
[05:26] <nyfair> 他妈的基督教没有异端？
[05:26] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 背黑锅?
[05:26] * MSErgo4K 看到了 QiongMangHuo 心疼 O0XX|Qiong
[05:26] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 不要引战哈
[05:26] * MSErgo4K 老怀欣慰
[05:26] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 毛, 你没看他让我背黑锅啊!
[05:27] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 他说不让你背啊
[05:27] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 开玩笑, 辣么重肯定不让你背的
[05:27] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 你看, 他叫 QiongMangHuo , 你后面还给自己添加了一个后缀, Qiong
[05:27] <QiongMangHuo> ...
[05:27] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 标记所有权是吧?
[05:28] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008GVXOGW 这个不能直邮诶... 不过价格不错.
[05:28] <^k^> MSErgo4K: ⇪ Amazon.com: New Balance Men's MW1765 Fitness Walking Shoe: Shoes
[05:28] <nyfair> 当然，有清洁派这种乱伦教和摩尼派这种丧失教的西方文明世界肯定会选择性无视的
[05:28] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 我的鞋子到转运了, 早知道就让 O0XX|Qiong 背
[05:28] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 赞.
[05:29] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 你啥教?
[05:29] <nyfair> 一个不懂宗教的傻逼在ubuntu这种傻缺满地的论坛喷驴教，真他妈醉了
[05:29] <MSErgo4K> ...
[05:30] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 还引战 三次警告了哦
[05:30] <nyfair> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=467948&start=15
[05:30] <nyfair> 我说了我是什么教的啊
[05:30] <nyfair> QiongMangHuo: 牛牛
[05:30] <^k^> ⇪ ti: 今天更新 notepad plus 后发现…… - 查看主题 • Ubuntu中文论坛 zz: nyfair
[05:31] <nyfair> QiongMangHuo: 牛牛我也要Op
[05:31] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 牛牛
[05:31] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 我是无神论 所有宗教都是邪教 都冒犯我
[05:31] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 再说就踢你
[05:31] <nyfair> freenode版规没这条
[05:31] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 党员你好
[05:31] <nyfair> 起义起义
[05:31] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 我是op我乐意
[05:32] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 你才是党员
[05:32] <nyfair> O0XX|Qiong: 老党员快发福利
[05:32] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 总之不要说一些引起争论并毫无结论的话题啦
[05:32] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 长者都说了 要谈笑风生
[05:33] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 闷声发大财, 争那些有啥用, 没死之前都不知道谁对谁错
[05:33] <nyfair> QiongMangHuo: 不谈宗教，但是你这观点不成立
[05:33] <nyfair> QiongMangHuo: 谈笑风生自然洒脱，但是没几个人有这资本
[05:34] <nyfair> QiongMangHuo: 暴力永远是解决问题最简单也最有效的办法
[05:34] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 所以我说我不想看你争论就踢你, 暴力解决 LOL
[05:34] <nyfair> QiongMangHuo: 争论是没有用的，说得再好别人也不会听
[05:35] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 对啊, 就别争论了啊
[05:35] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: 不管你对还是他对, 这世界傻逼占绝大多数, 何必要拯救别人呢
[05:36] * QiongMangHuo 可能是我老了
[05:36] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: git大牛. git-lfs好用不?
[05:36] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 独有的东西, 别人又用不了
[05:36] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 装毛
[05:36] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 是它自家的扩展吧
[05:36] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 昂, 自己的扩展.
[05:37] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 所以啊, 不通用啊
[05:37] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 快传给我看看你们说的是什么
[05:37] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 能解kernel这种项目用git奇慢的问题吗?
[05:38] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 不可以, kernel又不是大文件的问题, 是因为历史太多, 全都复制一份肯定慢 (不过我觉得不慢啊
[05:39] <nyfair> QiongMangHuo: git大牛，git-lfs不给我用，说我没有权限
[05:39] <nyfair> QiongMangHuo: 肿么办
[05:40] <QiongMangHuo> nyfair: =,= 是要用他家客户端的
[05:41] <^k^> 取新帖 timeout
[05:42] * QiongMangHuo 好像见过Lennart三四次了
[05:42] * QiongMangHuo 神教无敌
[05:52] <ugoub> 我git在diff是即便diff。tool是vimdiff也没调用起vimdiff，而difftool调用vimdiff后vim开启但没有打开文件
[05:53] <ugoub> difftool调用gvimdiff正常。
[05:53] <ugoub> 求解，git-diff调vimdiff
[05:54] <QiongMangHuo> git difftool
[05:54] <QiongMangHuo> [diff] tool = vimdiff
[05:55] <ugoub> 另，移动4G支持vpn否？谁知？
[05:55] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: arm上的snappy没有docker?
[05:55] <palomino|working> 不知
[05:55] <QiongMangHuo> ugoub: 你问我支不支持 我说支持
[05:56] <jackness> 谁有vps配置vpn的教程链接啊？
[05:56] * O0XX|Qiong momo palomino|working
[05:56] <ugoub> QiongMangHuo： 配了那个的，。
[05:56] * palomino|working momo O0XX|Qiong
[05:56] <ugoub> 我在网上查过
[05:57] <QiongMangHuo> ugoub: 我这儿好用
[05:57] <QiongMangHuo> ugoub: https://github.com/adam8157/dotfiles/blob/master/.gitconfig
[05:57] <^k^> ⇪ ti: dotfiles/.gitconfig at master · adam8157/dotfiles · GitHub
[05:57] <ugoub> github 搜索 visi-pivi-sivi 试试
[05:58] <QiongMangHuo> vini-vici-vidi
[06:00] <yunfan> QiongMangHuo: vimdiff的3-way 支持有点差
[06:01] <QiongMangHuo> yunfan: 凑合看看而已
[06:01] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: maimaimai
[06:01] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 买啥
[06:02] <ugoub> 一不小心Jolla tablet 64G 多买了个
[06:04] <QiongMangHuo> ugoub: 送我
[06:09] <ugoub> QiongMangHuoj
[06:10] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 李老板你自己来稿啊, 我得去个live系统弄打印机
[06:11] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 不会吧
[06:11] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: docker没有架构相关得东西啊
[06:12] <jusss> hoxily: 再没
[06:12] <jusss> hoxily: 急事
[06:13] <jusss> QiongMangHuo: sizeof一个数组会是多少
[06:14] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/33033.html 如此斗嘴 : 女:你无情,你冷酷,你无理取闹！ 男:你才无情,冷酷,无理取闹！ 女:我哪里无情,哪里冷酷,哪里无理取闹！ 男:你哪里不无情,哪里不冷酷,哪里不无理取闹！ 女:好~~~就算我无情,冷酷,无理取闹！ 男:你本来就无情,冷酷,无理
[06:14] <^k^> ─> 取闹！ 女:我要是无情,冷酷,无理取闹！也不会比你更无情,冷酷,无理取闹！ 男:哼！你最 …
[06:15] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: QiongMangHuo 淘宝上的xt1096能入不
[06:16] <tryit> QiongMangHuo, MSErgo4K 周围有人参加 软考 吗？
[06:17] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 这啥?
[06:17] <hoxily> jusss: char arr[10]; sizeof(arr) = sizeof(char)*10
[06:18] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: verizon版得moto x
[06:18] <hoxily> jusss: char arr[10]; char *p = arr; sizeof(p) = sizeof(void*)
[06:18] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: arm版的确实没有docker...
[06:18] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 官方没加入
[06:18] <jusss> hoxily: 看私聊
[06:18] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 你说snappy?
[06:19] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: en
[06:19] <hoxily> jusss: 注意指针与数组不一样
[06:19] <jusss> hoxily: 看私聊
[06:19] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: snappy直接拿docker hub上的吧，还没加入私有的支持貌似
[06:19] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 关键贵司的东西不开源，看不到
[06:19] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 你这个是docker里跑snappy..
[06:20] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 我是想在snappy上跑docker
[06:21] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 没硬件玩现在
[06:22] <tryit> O0XX|Qiong, , 周围有人参加 软考 吗？
[06:25] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 买了个 树莓派2 和一个 bb-black
[06:25] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: bb-black是哈
[06:25] <palomino|working> bible black!
[06:26] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: beaglebone
[06:27] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 马云家买的？
[06:28] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 恩
[06:32] <chihchun> 安卓的简体中文输入法，大家都用哪一套阿？
[06:33] <palomino|working> 我用触宝
[06:38] <BuMangHuo> tmux 里面用 C-a ! 可以吧 pane 改成 window, 那有啥办法再把 window 改回 pane 么
[06:39] <BuMangHuo> 想临时把一个 pane 变成全屏，或者占大部分的屏幕，tmux 里面的那 5 中默认布局都没有这种一个特别大一个特别小的
[06:39] <BuMangHuo> chihchun: 用安卓的时候 google 输入法不错
[06:40] <BuMangHuo> tryit: 软考啊，前几天人让报名我没敢报...
[06:42] <O0XX|Qiong> chihchun: 我用百度
[06:42] <tryit> BuMangHuo, why
[06:42] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • 蛋疼的efi不能自动进入硬盘ubuntu，求救 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469376 您好，我的笔记本是华硕probook445g2。我在 bios中设置了纯uefi引导，然后用u盘给电脑装了64位ubuntu14.04单系统，boot分区为主分区，200m，/20g.装好后重启系统，电脑不认，不能自动进入系统，非要
[06:43] <BuMangHuo> tryit: 厂里有培训，但是如果到时候不参加考试，就得给人交钱，我怕万一考试的时候有啥事儿没有时间
[06:43] <BuMangHuo> tryit: 而且，说是如果过了给点钱，但是如果3年离职了，又得把钱给人吐出来，我从来不玩吃了吐这个啊
[06:44] <tryit> BuMangHuo, 哈哈
[06:44] <tryit> BuMangHuo, 这规定好奇葩啊
[06:44] <gfxmode> O0XX|Qiong: 900MHz CPU的那个树莓派么？
[06:44] <O0XX|Qiong> gfxmode: 对, 树莓派2
[06:45] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: QiongMangHuo roylez_ ^^ MSErgo4K
[06:45] <gfxmode> O0XX|Qiong: Nice
[06:45] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: ?
[06:45] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 我想装个windows 10在树莓派上
[06:45] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 哦，忘了你是用 screen 的，不用 tmux
[06:45] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 赞.
[06:46] <MSErgo4K> BuMangHuo: 不能报名
[06:46] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 而且我不用screen分屏
[06:46] <BuMangHuo> 昂
[06:46] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 那你用啥分屏，或者不分屏？
[06:46] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 不分屏
[06:46] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 为啥要分屏?
[06:46] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 显示器少
[06:47] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 我也就一个显示器
[06:47] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: awesome给我9个桌面 够了
[06:47] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 靠, 还没正式发布..我先去装个osmc
[06:47] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 有时候要盯另一个窗口来着
[06:47] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 好用的话以后买一个连电视
[06:47] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: xbmc的fork?
[06:47] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 对
[06:47] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 那就awesome分屏撒
[06:48] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 手机有xbmc的遥控器.
[06:48] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: term下分屏太复杂, 我笨
[06:48] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 咱们这个snappy啥的没啥玩的
[06:48] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 能赚钱就是好东西
[06:48] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 赞.
[06:49] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 快移植fwall到snappy
[06:49] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 还真可以
[06:49] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 是啊, 我没开玩笑啊
[06:49] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 没有好的server, 这是最最重要的问题.
[06:49] <O0XX|Qiong> dmes
[07:02] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 做phone qa, 就可以天天用手机看美剧没人管了
[07:02] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 转转转
[07:02] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 昂.
[07:03] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 等vp开完会我去拿你的开发板
[07:04] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: vp开会?
[07:04] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 是啊 三点半
[07:04] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 哦哦哦
[07:05] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 其实我很想跟他们说, 内存占用多了就是memleak? 要讲证据的!
[07:05] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 我问过他们了, 为什么他们认为是memleak, 他们不老实回答啊
[07:07] <BuMangHuo> nnd iphone 没有收音机，路上无聊
[07:07] <palomino|working> ...
[07:10] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: pocket cast
[07:10] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 中文节目可以用喜马拉雅
[07:11] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 你多少流量
[07:11] <BuMangHuo> 用流量的应该比较费电吧
[07:11] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 一个月六百多, 这两个月移动还每月送500
[07:11] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: happyaron 发"KTTY"拿两个月免费500M
[07:12] <BuMangHuo> 我去比较一下喜马啦雅和蜻蜓
[07:12] <BuMangHuo> 联通用户唉
[07:14] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 这个月还剩1.2G左右流量...
[07:15] <BuMangHuo> 你不是总共 1.1
[07:15] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 前段时间移动还送了个免费的半年420M包
[07:16] <gfxmode> http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/384147.htm
[07:16] <^k^> ⇪ ti: 谷歌申请超接地气专利：网络剧透屏蔽系统_Google / 谷歌_cnBeta.COM
[07:17] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 看微信截图
[07:27] <lainme> 上次bash那漏洞，还有人在利用啊。log了好几页
[07:35] <onlylove__> lainme: 总有人要试试嘛，万一有没更新的呢
[07:37] * HowIsItGoing 周末帝都坏天气啊，本来还想去帝都耍
[07:44] <BuMangHuo> 哎昨天说的那个门头沟的叫啥山来着
[07:44] <BuMangHuo> MSErgo4K:
[07:45] <BuMangHuo> 哦，谭拓寺
[07:51] <tryit> HowIsItGoing, remote……羡慕嫉妒恨
[07:52] <HowIsItGoing> tryit: 这跟remote没关系啊
[07:53] <tryit> HowIsItGoing, 好比你在中国拿着美帝的待遇，还不爽啊
[07:54] <HowIsItGoing> tryit: 我在哪都是屌丝啊，不像adam壕
[07:55] <tryit> HowIsItGoing, 壕的方式不一样，你太低调了
[07:59] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: snappy实际上base在lxd上的吧?
[08:00] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 贵司的snappy实际上是apt-get的替代品
[08:00] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: ubuntu core + snappy, 后端可以拉docker镜像下来用，也可以拉lxc德
[08:01] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: arm上没docker的话, 就应该肯定是lxd了啊?
[08:02] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 你把snappy代码扒拉下来看看吧
[08:05] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: snappy没开源?
[08:06] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 不清楚啊， ubuntu phone还开源呢
[08:06] <freeflying> lol
[08:06] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: ...
[08:13] <ugoub> meizu的Uphone什么时候在国内上啊…
[08:13] <BuMangHuo> 从来分不清 useradd 和 adduser 两个命令，有啥办法救么 O0XX|Qiong MSErgo4K
[08:14] <BuMangHuo> 而且每次不 man 都不知道 ln -s 前后两个路径的意思...
[08:14] <ugoub> 同感
[08:15] <ugoub> 所以自己包装下。
[08:21] * tryit 一个函数的参数多达11个！！
[08:26] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 换眼镜
[08:27] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: ping go guru
[08:29] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS • 窗口关闭按钮时常点着没反应 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469378 不知道是我换了主题还是什么原因，关闭按钮时常点着没反应，但换回默认主题也没见好转，这是什么情况？ zz: hometow1 — 2015-04-09 16:28
[08:35] <jzp113> 有人找到rfid吗
[08:35] <jzp113> 有人知道rfid吗
[08:38] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 用adduser，猫猫的系统貌似没有，只有useradd，debian的手册说，useradd是一个low level的，admin should use adduser
[08:39] <jzp113> onlylove, 知道吗
[08:39] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: ln -s我也是man的
[08:39] <BuMangHuo> onlylove: ...
[08:39] <onlylove> jzp113: 知道，不关心，咋了
[08:40] <jzp113> 哦
[08:40] <jzp113> 有个数据分析
[08:41] <jzp113> 搞了我半天
[08:41] <jzp113> 数据校验的 onlylove
[08:41] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: ln -s都记不住？ 跟mv/cp一样的顺序
[08:42] <lainme> onlylove: 我把那家伙试图塞入服务器的代码下载了，好烂的一个bash。"cd /tmp;cd /var/tmp..."
[08:43] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: adduser是脚本，比useradd方便，因为它是a开头，排在前面
[08:43] <BuMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 这个思路好哎
[08:43] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: ln option target linkname
[08:44] <onlylove_> jzp113: 我目前对数据校验和rfid没兴趣，请不要和我说那些
[08:47] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: 用的时候file一下也行
[08:50] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 亚信一遍又一遍的在51上看我简历，我要不要屏蔽之
[08:52] <BuMangHuo> onlylove_: 不屏蔽干嘛
[08:53] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 其实也无所谓，反正我对那地方没兴趣，不过国内很多公司都开始买IT外包了
[08:54] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 小dd又在炫耀了...真是忍不了..
[08:54] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 外包对公司是好事，对干外包的一点也不好
[08:54] <onlylove_> O0XX|Qiong: 你努力，超过小DD，然后天天在他面前炫耀
[08:54] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: https://coding.net/event/ide
[08:54] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong: ⇪ Coding WebIDE 开启云端开发模式！ - Coding.net
[08:55] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 这个不错..
[08:59] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 不错.
[09:00] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 现在的云公司真多.
[09:00] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 一堆专门给创业公司用的云公司.
[09:00] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 那还不赶紧创业!
[09:00] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 那些创业公司前脚拿了投资, 后脚扔给云公司了
[09:01] * QiongMangHuo 霓虹人都用EMS 好赞
[09:01] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 小DD吃完了蛋糕还不走
[09:01] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 正在炫耀
[09:01] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 是啊.
[09:01] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: MSErgo4K 是啊 多大仇 坐我这边炫耀
[09:02] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: MSErgo4K 他要去腐国两周 羡慕啊
[09:02] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 反手一巴掌抽过去啊
[09:03] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: https://leancloud.cn/ 这个其实听靠谱
[09:03] <^k^> MSErgo4K: ⇪ LeanCloud
[09:03] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 开始群炫了
[09:03] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: MSErgo4K 贵组又有新DD了？
[09:04] <QiongMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 是 happyaron
[09:04] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 现在 QiongMangHuo 和 happyaron 轮流炫富啊
[09:04] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 啧啧
[09:04] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 我怎么炫了? 我就说吃的
[09:04] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 对口炫富
[09:04] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 对着轮
[09:04] * HowIsItGoing 炫富组，不敢直视
[09:04] * HowIsItGoing 我组不行了，开sprint都选东欧穷国
[09:05] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: 我们sprint都取消了.
[09:05] <HowIsItGoing> MSErgo4K: 乃们老大都过来请你们吃饭了
[09:05] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: 吃饭?
[09:05] <HowIsItGoing> MSErgo4K: 不是说有饭吃么？
[09:05] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: 呵呵
[09:06] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: 怎么可能...
[09:06] <HowIsItGoing> MSErgo4K: 难道是吃蛋糕？
[09:06] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: 昂, 还被一堆莫名其妙的组的人给吃光了
[09:07] * O0XX|Qiong 对啊
[09:07] * O0XX|Qiong 吃蛋糕不都是我组的啊
[09:07] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 一堆ue和cdo的人给吃光了啊
[09:07] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 对对对, 鄙视他们
[09:07] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 平时也不来上班
[09:08] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 好不容易我们有个蛋糕分, 一帮不要脸的就凑过来吃了
[09:08] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: sigh.. 我们一起鄙视小DD壕
[09:08] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 尤其是 happyaron , 这么有钱还跟我们抢这一口饭...
[09:08] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: ^^ 你看我们多可怜
[09:08] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 抢完了饭还炫富!
[09:08] <QiongMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 五百一个的蛋糕, 吃起来也一般啊
[09:08] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: sigh...
[09:09] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 我就吃了一小块儿...
[09:09] <HowIsItGoing> QiongMangHuo: 撒了金粉的？
[09:09] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 我吃了两小块
[09:09] <QiongMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 微信给你图
[09:09] <HowIsItGoing> MSErgo4K: 啧啧，我都没得吃，你还吐槽啥
[09:09] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: 你不来, 你来了就有的吃啊
[09:10] <HowIsItGoing> MSErgo4K: 懒得去，天气预报都报有霾了
[09:10] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: 对啊, 土豪你看不上啊
[09:10] <HowIsItGoing> MSErgo4K: 不敢啊，抢了乃们的蛋糕肿么办。
[09:10] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: 我们就不吃了呗
[09:11] <MSErgo4K> HowIsItGoing: 过来抢的人还少吗?~
[09:14] <HowIsItGoing> MSErgo4K: 扁他们
[09:20] <tryit> MSErgo4K, 现在的emacs desktop恢复之后能恢复多个window了
[09:23] <O0XX|Qiong> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=43638
[09:23] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Solidot | Google专利自动剧透警告系统
[09:23] <jiero> 在哪里下载 汉语字体好啊。
[09:25] <gfxmode> jiero: C:\Windows\Fonts
[09:27] <MSErgo4K> tryit: 啥?
[09:27] <jiero> gfxmode, 全都那么难看
[09:27] <jiero> gfxmode, 而且麻烦。不用
[09:28] <gfxmode> jiero: 文泉驿官网，可以下字体的
[09:29] <gfxmode> jiero: http://wenq.org/wqy2/index.cgi
[09:29] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Habitat: 首页
[09:39] <QiongMangHuo> MSErgo4K: 赞
[09:39] <MSErgo4K> QiongMangHuo: 昂.
[09:41] <O0XX|Qiong> MSErgo4K: 赞
[09:41] <MSErgo4K> O0XX|Qiong: 昂.
[09:43] <BuMangHuo> 下班下班
[09:44] <BuMangHuo> 满屏幕炫富的啊
[09:46] <gfxmode> 121.60.25.80
[09:46] <^k^> gfxmode, 121.60.25.80 湖北省 电信
[09:46] <gfxmode> 这个功能方便
[09:55] <O0XX|Qiong> 111.111.111.111
[09:55] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong, 111.111.111.111 日本 东京市KDDI通信公司
[09:55] <O0XX|Qiong> 222.222.222.222
[09:55] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong, 222.222.222.222 河北省石家庄市 电信DNS
[09:55] <O0XX|Qiong> 0.0.0.0
[09:55] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong, 0.0.0.0 IANA保留地址
[09:55] <O0XX|Qiong> 1.1.1.1
[09:55] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong, 1.1.1.1 澳大利亚 亚太互联网络信息中心
[09:55] <O0XX|Qiong> 2.2.2.2
[09:55] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong, 2.2.2.2 法国
[09:55] <O0XX|Qiong> 3.3.3.3
[09:55] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong, 3.3.3.3 美国 康涅狄格州费尔菲尔德县费尔菲尔德镇通用电气公司
[10:18] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/12937.html Catch a cold : During the fight, the boxer swiped the air furiously, but could not hit his opponent."How am I doing?" he asked the coach at the end of the round."Well, if you keep this up," replied the coach, "he might feel the wind and catch a cold."
[10:51] <sennn> hi
[10:51] <^k^> sennn:点点点. 18:50
[11:13] <^k^> 逛了一下论坛,暂时无新贴.
[11:28] <m_> /topic
[11:59] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://i2.xiaohua.fd.zol-img.com.cn/t_s600x5000/g4/M05/0B/00/Cg-4WVI2sFuIO00MAABaxz2-NOAAALrUwGc4X8AAFrf242.jpg 银行门口好多B
[12:02] <xiaocai> :)笑死我了。。。。
[12:21] <xiaocai> 没人聊点什么。。。
[12:28] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 14.10 • VMware 11.1.0上ubuntu server 14.04 gnome登录分辨率重置问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469385 主机系统：win8.1 pro 虚拟机版本：Vmware Workstation 11.1.0 ubuntu版本：ubuntu server 14.04.02 安装了gnome图形界面系统和Vmware Tool。但是每次在系统里设置了屏幕分辨率，再次启动登录
[12:38] <iotouch> hi
[12:38] <^k^> iotouch:点点点. 20:37
[12:39] <xiaocai> ^k^:you
[12:39] <iotouch> xiaocai hi
[12:39] <xiaocai> iotouch: hello
[12:40] <iotouch> 好像你从几年前就一直是在这上面
[12:41] <^k^> xiaocai,
[12:41] <xiaocai> iotouch: 没有呐，我去年才开始使用irc
[12:42] <iotouch> 原来如此
[12:42] <iotouch> 有哪位有在做一些C语言的项目嘛
[12:42] <iotouch> 开源
[12:42] <iotouch> 我想参与下
[12:42] <iotouch> 最近在学C
[12:52] <iMadper> iotouch: 据我所知, 这个频道里用c的人很少.
[12:52] <iotouch> 那都用什么
[12:53] <iMadper> iotouch: IO, scala, clojure之类的
[12:53] <iotouch> ohoh, cool
[12:53] <iotouch> function language is so difficult
[12:55] <jusss> iotouch: 还有 go erlang
[12:55] <iMadper> iotouch: 这三个, 都不是函数式语言.
[12:55] <iMadper> iotouch: IO是原型语言. scala / clojure是多范式语言, 不过常被用来写函数式.
[12:56] <iotouch> 为何没人搞C?
[12:56] <iMadper> iotouch: C没啥可写的啊.
[12:56] <iMadper> iotouch: c适合写啥项目?
[12:56] <iotouch> 我也不知道
[12:56] <iotouch> scala, clojure 有什么流行项目嘛
[12:57] <iMadper> iotouch: 多了去了.
[12:57] <iotouch> iMadper c可以写一些RUBY扩展
[12:58] <iotouch> 我的主打语言是RUBY
[12:58] <iotouch> apache nginx 这类软件是用C做的嘛？
[12:59] <iMadper> iotouch: Spark是scala写的. nginx是c
[12:59] <iMadper> ruby这种, 软件写大了真心不好维护. 动态语言啊...
[13:00] <iotouch> 个人搞搞的项目，很难用得起 Hadoop spark吧？
[13:00] <iotouch> 你指的大，是大到什么程度？
[13:01] <iMadper> iotouch: 只要是多个人一起开发, 用ruby就麻烦, 没有完整的单元测试就开发不下去
[13:01] <iotouch> iMadper 好吧，有可能
[13:02] <iotouch> 你主打语言是哪个
[13:02] <iMadper> iotouch: 我不写代码. 我是养鱼的
[13:02] <iotouch> 啊？
[13:02] <iotouch> 什么意思
[13:02] <iMadper> iotouch: 我是学水产养殖的
[13:02] <iotouch> ohoh
[13:02] <iotouch> 高科技的感觉
[13:02] <iMadper> ...
[13:02] <iotouch> 生物方面的高科技
[13:02] <iMadper> 农学
[13:03] <iMadper> 不是高科技, 就是养鱼
[13:03] <iotouch> 也算是生物类的科技 吧
[13:03] <iotouch> 那你玩计算机只是玩？娱乐？
[13:04] <iMadper> iotouch: 用啊, 用来上上网, 聊聊qq, 勾搭一下妹子之类的
[13:05] <iotouch> 养鱼怎么养，能否大概介绍下流程
[13:05] <iotouch> 分享下喽
[13:06] <iMadper> iotouch: 你有池塘吗?
[13:07] <iMadper> iotouch: 室内鱼缸和池塘还有水库是三种完全不同的方式了
[13:07] <iMadper> iotouch: 你得先想好要在哪里养
[13:07] <iotouch> iMadper, 比较适合个人玩的
[13:07] <iMadper> iotouch: ... 个人玩... 养金鱼咯...
[13:08] <iotouch> 能不能小型商业化
[13:08] <iotouch> 用来赚钱的
[13:08] <iMadper> iotouch: 个人玩的话, 还是天空蓝魔好玩
[13:08] <iMadper> iotouch: 炒股
[13:08] <iMadper> iotouch: 养鱼只能全职
[13:08] <iMadper> iotouch: 承包池塘.
[13:09] <iMadper> iotouch: 如果只是玩, 买两只品相好的小蓝魔, 养几年不成问题.
[13:10] <iotouch> iMadper 以你的经验而言，个人搞池塘，能赚钱嘛
[13:10] <iotouch> 成功率高还是低？
[13:10] <iMadper> iotouch: 能赚, 没有最近两天的股票赚.
[13:11] <HowIsItGoing> iMadper: 老板，来条大鲤鱼
[13:11] <iotouch> 最近的股票是不可控的
[13:12] <iMadper> HowIsItGoing: 先给钱.
[13:12] <iotouch> iMadper 要玩那种可控的，才行
[13:12] <iMadper> iotouch: 你不是程序员吗?
[13:12] <iotouch> 算是吧
[13:12] <iotouch> 只是水平 一般
[13:12] <iMadper> iotouch: 程序员不是轻轻松松年薪50w吗? 干嘛来跟我抢生意?
[13:13] <iotouch> 哇，真好，我也想有这么高薪
[13:13] <iotouch> 不想老是对着电脑啊
[13:13] <iotouch> 换点别的，可能人生会更有意思
[13:13] <iMadper> iotouch: 有人养蓝魔都能赚钱.
[13:14] <iMadper> iotouch: 淘宝上大把做蓝魔生意的
[13:14] <iMadper> iotouch: 你可以试试看.
[13:14] <iMadper> iotouch: 养鱼也不可控, 得病之后一死死一池塘
[13:14] <iotouch> 天空蓝魔 是属于高档宠物？
[13:14] <iMadper> iotouch: 捞发臭了的死鱼都要几天
[13:14] <iotouch> 养来当宠物的嘛
[13:15] <iMadper> iotouch: 对.
[13:15] <iotouch> 有意思
[13:15] <iotouch> 你有试过嘛
[13:15] <[wlk]> hi
[13:15] <^k^> [wlk]:点点点. 21:14
[13:15] <iMadper> iotouch: 没有, 我不喜欢养
[13:15] <iotouch> 那跟养乌龟相比，如何
[13:16] <[wlk]> 为什么我不能在 ##linux 说话？
[13:16] <iMadper> iotouch: 我都没养过
[13:16] <[wlk]> 我注册了
[13:16] <iMadper> [wlk]: 提示你啥?
[13:16] <[wlk]> == Cannot send to channel: ##linux
[13:16] <iotouch> 好吧，换个话题
[13:16] <iotouch> 有哪位能说说KDE比GNOME好在哪
[13:16] <iMadper> [wlk]: 你现在没登陆.
[13:17] <[wlk]> [21:17] *nickserv* register [21:17] -NickServ- You are already logged in as [wlk].
[13:17] <[wlk]> 提示我登录了
[13:17] <[wlk]> 我之前注册了邮箱和帐号
[13:18] <iotouch> iMadper 你应该在这上面好几年了吧
[13:18] <iMadper> iotouch: 09年来这里的
[13:18] <iotouch> 原来如此 ，难怪这么眼熟
[13:18] <iMadper> [wlk]: 重新登录吧, 你现在没登陆
[13:19] <iotouch> 我从 04年就来，好像
[13:19] <iotouch> 或者是06年
[13:19] <[wlk]> 嗯 谢谢 我试试
[13:19] <iMadper> iotouch: ubuntu05年发布的吧...
[13:19] <iMadper> iotouch: 还是说你是canonical家的元老?
[13:19] <iotouch> 04年上的是linuxsir
[13:19] <iMadper> .
[13:20] <iotouch> 好想进 canonical 这家公司
[13:20] <iotouch> 不过好难
[13:20] <iMadper> iotouch: 有啥难
[13:20] <iMadper> iotouch: 这个频道里不少都是canonical公司的屌丝员工.
[13:20] <iotouch> 求引荐
[13:21] <iMadper> iotouch: 找 HowIsItGoing
[13:21] <iotouch> 看招聘要求，好高
[13:21] <HowIsItGoing> iotouch: iMadper 嗯，我是屌丝
[13:21] <iotouch> HowIsItGoing hello
[13:21] <iMadper> HowIsItGoing: lol~
[13:22] <iotouch> 目前有什么 屌丝职位
[13:22] <iMadper> HowIsItGoing: 不不不, 你是有房的remote土豪.
[13:22] <iotouch> HowIsItGoing 求引荐
[13:22] <[wlk]> 我输入了 Nickname: Username Password:
[13:22] <HowIsItGoing> iMadper: 屌丝
[13:22] <[wlk]> 可是还是不能在##linux 说话
[13:23] <iMadper> [w]
[13:23] <HowIsItGoing> iotouch: 引荐毛？
[13:23] <iMadper> [wlk]: 你没有成功登陆.
[13:23] <iotouch> 好吧
[13:23] <[wlk]> 登录成功有什么提示吗？
[13:23] <iMadper> [wlk]: 建议你1. 换个名字, 不要用符号开头. 2. 去看看wiki, 查查怎么登录.
[13:23] <iotouch> HowIsItGoing 怎么进啊，需要什么条件
[13:23] <iotouch> HowIsItGoing 求引荐
[13:24] <iMadper> [wlk]: /whois [wlk] <--- 如果登陆成功会有写的
[13:24] <HowIsItGoing> iotouch: 我说我是屌丝，又没说我是canonical的撒。
[13:25] <iotouch> 好吧，明白
[13:26] <iotouch> 目前linux商业化比较成功的也就只有 redhat, canonical 两家吧？
[13:26] <iMadper> iotouch: suse.
[13:27] <iMadper> io
[13:27] <iMadper> iotouch: oracle
[13:27] <[wlk]> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER [wlk] oyfylefaoakb
[13:28] <iMadper> [wlk]: 正确的命令是: /msg nickserv id nickname password
[13:28] <jusss> iMadper: oracle不是linux
[13:28] <iMadper> jusss: oracle的产品里有linux.
[13:28] <iMadper> jusss: http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/overview/index.html
[13:28] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Oracle Linux OS and Support | Operating Systems | Oracle
[13:29] <[wlk]> 搞定了
[13:29] <[wlk]> 谢谢
[13:29] <[wlk]> 我刚才输入的 前面有个空格。
[13:31] <iotouch> 国内有ｌｉｎｕｘ商业化成功案例嘛
[13:32] <gebjgd> iotouch, 什么叫商业化
[13:32] <iotouch> 能用ｌｉｎｕｘ来赚钱的公司
[13:32] <gebjgd> iotouch, 多的是
[13:32] <iMadper> iotouch: 太多了好不好
[13:33] <iotouch> 比如？
[13:33] <gebjgd> iotouch, 所有的网站
[13:33] <iMadper> iotouch: 中标
[13:33] <iotouch> 网站这种不算
[13:33] <iotouch> 中标也有人用？
[13:33] <gebjgd> iotouch, 企业
[13:33] <gebjgd> iotouch, 国企
[13:34] <iMadper> iotouch: 呵呵, 人家拿了多少国家的经费, 中了多少国家的项目?
[13:34] <iMadper> iotouch: 你说有没有人用?
[13:34] <iotouch> 国企，那肯定是给另一些国企用了
[13:35] <iotouch> http://www.startos.org/
[13:35] <^k^> ⇪ ti: 开源操作系统,linux系统--起点操作系统(StartOS)官方网站
[13:35] <iMadper> iotouch: http://www.cs2c.com.cn/index.php?id=200 自己看中标列出来的成果
[13:35] <^k^> iMadper: ⇪ 国产操作系统旗舰企业｜中标软件｜中标麒麟｜
[13:36] <iMadper> iotouch: 中标现在肥的流油
[13:37] <iotouch> http://www.ivali.com/#!/home 这家公司靠什么盈利
[13:37] <^k^> iotouch: ⇪ 广东瓦力网络科技有限公司官方网站
[13:37] <iotouch> 也是搞ｌｉｎｕｘ的
[13:38] <iMadper> 包括999网址导航（999.com）、绿色下载吧（xiazaiba.com）、天地联盟（tiandi.com）、StartOS操作系统（startos.com）、手机ROM（romss.com）、应用市场等自主研发产品。
[13:38] <alvin_rxg> Title: 999导航www.999.com_999网址导航身边的网址大全网址之家! (@ 999.com)
[13:38] <iMadper> 卧槽, 下载吧是他家的啊...
[13:38] <iMadper> 我找软件经常跳进下载吧然后找不到下载链接
[13:38] <iMadper> 这种公司肯定赚嗨了
[13:39] <iotouch> 靠什么赚？
[13:39] <iMadper> iotouch: 网站, rom, 应用市场都有, 怎么会没得赚?
[13:39] <iotouch> 但是这些同类产品的很多，竟争很大
[13:40] <iotouch> 而且ａｎｄｒｏｉｄ生态体系基本是不赚钱的吧
[13:40] <iMadper> iotouch: android不赚钱????
[13:40] <iMadper> 小米不赚钱? 魅族不赚钱?
[13:41] <iMadper> 91当时那点儿市场占有率, 还不是被baidu看上然后收购了
[13:41] <iMadper> iotouch: 算了, 我也不懂it行业, 我只会养鱼, 我还是去看美剧了
[13:42] <iotouch> 好吧
[13:42] <iotouch> 你是在哪
[13:46] <freeflying> iMadper: icloud联系人在Android里咋同步
[13:46] <iMadper> freeflying: 不知道. 用第三方同步呗
[13:51] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/16934.html 穿上衣服还真认不出 : 一游泳教练性格直爽,而且嗓门大。一日,他在商场看到一个女学员,于是大声说:你穿上衣服后,还真认不出！
[13:54] <huitailang> .
[13:55] <huitailang> 有人否？
[13:56] <iotouch> 如何保存 ＩＲＣ现在加入的频道
[14:11] <^k^> 新 桌面特效 • cairo-dock任务栏设置求教 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469386 MAC系统上的dock是保留空间的那种类型，当应用程序全屏后就彻底隐藏的dock，不知道cairo-dock能不能做到 我现在用的是有任意窗口遮挡就隐藏dock，我的dock任务栏是放在屏幕下面的，但有个问题是当鼠标选取东
[14:36] <Guest795> hello everyone
[14:36] <Guest795> exit
[22:24] <freeflying> &……）￥）！
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[23:36] <hoxily> morning all
[23:36] <hoxily> freeflying: what's wrong with you?
[23:59] <roylez_> freeflying: 咋啦 | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.280090 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-app-devel | [01:48] <josharenson> I think I found an API bug. Where can I file it? Apologies, but I can't find the right project on lp
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <sturmflut-work> dbarth_: Is the "official" Google+ webapp from the app store supposed to work? I can get past the account setup on my Aquaris E4.5, but after that nothing is displayed.
[07:56] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: it does yes; can you confirm the package name and version number maybe?
[07:57] <sturmflut-work> dbarth_: com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.googleplus_googleplus_0.4 , the log file is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/10780531/
[08:00] <sturmflut-work> dbarth_: This is device image r16, the image the phone was shipped with, I didn't update to r20 yet because we are looking for a possible bug in the updater. Does the webapp maybe require a more recent image?
[08:08] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: did you try deleteting the app, or removing content in the .cache .local directories?
[08:09] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: this should work nonetheless
[08:36] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: there is an ssl error which looks wrong in the logs
[08:37] <dbarth_> sturmflut-work: were there underlying network issues or weird proxies in the loop ?
[08:46] <mardy> sturmflut-work: it would be nice to get more logs
[08:46] <mardy> OAU_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999 OAU_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 online-accounts-service
[08:46] <mardy> sturmflut-work: if you can type the line above into phablet-shell before running the app again, that should output some useful logs
[08:47] <mardy> sturmflut-work: also, echo "LoggingLevel=2" > ~/.config/signond.conf
[13:24] <nerochiaro> dpm: hi, i am looking at this bug report where you commented something: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-32225 I am trying to reproduce your suggestion but I still get the same error. do you remember if there was anything else that needed to be done ?
[14:01] <dpm> nerochiaro, hi! Sorry, I can't remember, too long ago and I've not touched VirtualBox since
[14:02] <nerochiaro> dpm: ok, no problem
[14:20] <davmor2> popey: doc viewer the recent page how long will that show a pdf for?
[14:20] <popey> davmor2: eh?
[14:21] <popey> it shows whatever is in ~/Documents
[14:21] <davmor2> popey: hmmm
[14:22] <davmor2> popey: so I installed doc-viewer I then download the ubuntu-server guide pdf on image 224 I upgrade to image 267 and the pdf is not listed now
[14:23] <davmor2> popey: admittedly it's a backup of 224 so would be oldish now date wise which made me wonder if it was a recently read thing
[14:24] <popey> is it in ~/Documents on your device?
[14:30] <davmor2> popey: nope
[14:30] <davmor2> popey: I'll check the backup in a second
[14:30] <popey> thats why then
[20:11] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, hey :-) I'm having issues with qmake projects on vivid. A chroot that used to work until like one month ago now says
[20:11] <rpadovani> (click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf)root@artemis:/home/rpadovani# qmake
[20:11] <rpadovani> qmake: could not find a Qt installation of ''
[20:16] <vitimiti> Should I start using qmake for Ubuntu projects instead of CMake?
[20:32] <mhall119> zsombi_: how do I give a Page keyboard focus? I have one in a PageStack but on opening the app it doesn't gave focus until I click on the content
[20:32] <mhall119> clicking the Header doesn't even do it, it has to be below the header
[21:11] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: you can not run qmake directly, you need to run the cross version of it
[21:12] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: you need to use qt5-qmake-arm-linux-gnueabihf
[21:14] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, qt5-qmake-arm-linux-gnueabihf seems to work. Then how could I create a click package inside the chroot? I want to understand what's wrong...
[21:15] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: use the sdk :D
[21:16] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: what do you want to do?
[21:17] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, I use the sdk, but it creates click package without error, but then on the device it says I don't have Bacon2d module installed. That chroot used to work
[21:17] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, I'm trying to package https://github.com/rpadovani/100balls
[21:18] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: do you package the bacon2d module into the click package?
[21:19] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, qmake is supposed to do it
[21:19] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, https://github.com/rpadovani/100balls/blob/master/deployment.pri
[21:19] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: just saw it
[21:19] <rpadovani> (yes, I've that package installed in the chroot)
[21:20] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: did you check if its really in the click package
[21:21] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, how?
[21:23] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: click contents yourclickfilename
[21:23] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, seems there is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785932/
[21:30] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: and it worked liked that before?
[21:30] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, okay, for some strange reason I tried to install the package again and now the error is differnt (and it's not about sdk) :S
[21:30] <rpadovani> qrc:///main.qml:21:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "Bacon2D": The plugin '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.rpadovani.100balls/0.4.1/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/Bacon2D/libbacon2dplugin.so' uses incompatible Qt library. (5.4.1)
[21:31] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: ah :D
[21:33] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, which QT version there is on RTM? And if I try from a previous chroot (14.10) do you think it works?
[21:33] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: the problem you have is that a 14.10 chroot does not support qmake :/
[21:34] <rpadovani> that's funny
[21:34] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: and yes you would need to use a 14.10 chroot for RTM afaik
[21:34] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, aaaaand we don't have a way to target an application to a os release, right?
[21:35] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: well you _could_ compile your own cross qmake for 14.10 but its some work ....
[21:36] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: but we could i could talk to bzoltan if we can provide a download somewhere for a 14.10 compatible qmake
[21:36] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, that sounds cool, thanks
[22:48] <sabayonuser2> heya chicos!
[22:49] <sabayonuser2> I'm a totally wasted and burnt down good old javascripter, broken inside, wasted moneywise .. haha
[22:49] <sabayonuser2> that said... I want to use my time now with a proper goal in sight
[22:49] <sabayonuser2> I was doing some angular plugins, though cool, nobody quite was interested
[22:50] <sabayonuser2> so I thought I'll do something that I _myself_ at least will use and like
[22:50] <sabayonuser2> I was thinking about creating a proper js framework for ubuntu js app development
[22:50] <sabayonuser2> i have a few ideas
[22:50] <sabayonuser2> can you guys pour out your thoughts so this poor chap might get wiser and find a reason?
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-devel | [05:08] <DerRaiden> morning/morgen
[06:11] <pitti> Good morning
[07:05] <twb> Dumb question: is it normal for EOLd packages to still have .dscs linked from packages.u.c ? Because http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/cups links to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/cups_1.4.3-1ubuntu1.14.dsc but the files *that* references are 404d (presumably because they're moved to the EOL server)
[07:05] <twb> oh wait, I misread the error message
[07:06] <twb> Ignore me, I'm just an idiot.
[07:13] <jibel> pitti, where are the logs now with systemd? it used to be in /var/log/upstart/ is everything in syslog? I'm searching why whoopsie doesn't upload crash files on vivid
[07:13] <pitti> jibel: it should be in syslog too, but everything goes into the journal
[07:14] <pitti> jibel: "journalctl" -> everything; "journalctl -u whoopsie" -> everything from whoopsie
[07:14] <jibel> pitti, thanks. I'll check that.
[07:14] <pitti> (there's lots of more filters, but those are probably the two most common ones)
[07:14] <pitti> jibel: so journalctl -u <servicename> is the direct equivalent of /var/log/upstart/<servicename>
[07:20] <jibel> Cannot reach: https://daisy.ubuntu.com is a good reason to not upload crash files :/
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[08:31] <pitti> cjwatson: do you want a Debian bug for bug 1440070 / the patch in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/202605250/openssh_1%3A6.7p1-5_1%3A6.7p1-5ubuntu1.diff.gz ?
[08:58] <cjwatson> pitti: Yes please
[08:58] <cjwatson> pitti: Or I can give you git commit access if you like
[08:59] <pitti> cjwatson: I'll file a bug then
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg1> Does anybody know how to contact Chris Arges?
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg1> about bug 1129409
[09:10] <LocutusOfBorg1> seems he didn't upload the utopic fix :(
[09:38] <pitti> infinity: FYI: https://tracker.debian.org/news/676575
[10:44] <Riddell> tseliot: sddm today should make the /etc/X11/default-display-manager file
[10:46] <tseliot> Riddell: ok, will it also come with an entry in sddm.conf?
[10:47] <Riddell> tseliot: it'll use the default which points to the Xsetup script which does run /sbin/prime-offload
[10:48] <tseliot> Riddell: ok, that would work. I'll push my change for gpu-manager in ubuntu-drivers-common, so that it doesn't abort when it finds sddm
[10:49] <Riddell> tseliot: lovely :)
[10:55] <tseliot> Riddell: done
[10:55] <Riddell> tseliot: awooga, thanks for your help
[10:56] <infinity> pitti: Excellent, now it just needs an unblock?
[10:56] <tseliot> Riddell: you're welcome. If they ever add support for restarting X on log out, I'll be glad to complete support for hybrid graphics in sddm
[10:57] <pitti> infinity: yes; I'd like to keep this in unstable for two days or so to get some field testing, so I was going to file the request on Sat
[11:01] <infinity> pitti: Fair enough. Since I uploaded sysvinit with a medium urgency, I figured that would take care of me anyway and filed the unblock with the upload. That's 5 days for someone to file an RC bug and keep it out.
[11:01] <infinity> pitti: And, indeed, you were a medium too, so...
[11:14] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg1: that would be tseliot then, who packaged them
[11:16] <tseliot> LocutusOfBorg1: I haven't backported the fix to utopic. It's only in trusty and in vivid for now
[11:34] <LocutusOfBorg1> tseliot, I provided the debdiff in the bug
[11:34] <LocutusOfBorg1> the fix is trivial
[11:39] <tseliot> LocutusOfBorg1: right. I can upload that later
[11:49] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks
[12:07] <shadeslayer> mvo: poke
[12:07] <shadeslayer> mvo: Kubuntu core ?
[12:09] <flexiondotorg> If there is someone piloting would they be good enough to look at the following please?
[12:09] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1439388
[12:10] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-menu/+bug/1439380
[12:10] <flexiondotorg> They are updated translations and bugs fix. I think today is the deadline for translations.
[12:16] <Odd_Bloke> mvo: Thanks for the merge!
[12:42] <ginggs> hi, anyone one in ubuntu-archive able to look at LP: #1432576 please?
[13:01] <cjwatson> ginggs: done
[13:02] <ginggs> cjwatson: thanks!
[13:39] <flexiondotorg> Is there someone scheduled to pilot today?
[13:42] <seb128> flexiondotorg, mvo and cjwatson
[13:42] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Thanks.
[13:43] <flexiondotorg> mvo, cjwatson When you're piloting I have some stuff that I think is time critical for today.
[13:43] <cjwatson> I'm unlikely to do it today, sorry. Doesn't fit very well into my LP work
[13:44] <cjwatson> Trying to follow a long chain of stuff for new-style ddebs right now
[13:44] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, OK. Understood :)
[14:00] <caribou> Any trick to investigate build failures caused by dependancies not being installed ?
[14:00] <caribou> The Build-Depends-Indep: dblatex is correctly installed when I build with sbuild, but PPA builder doesn't want to include itg
[14:00] <caribou> s/itg/it
[14:01] <caribou> (on precise btw)
[14:05] <geser> have you a link to a build log?
[14:08] <caribou> geser: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/202635957/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.openafs_1.6.7-1ubuntu1.12.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:11] <caribou> geser: doesn't seem to install the Build-Depends-Indep
[14:11] <caribou> geser: dkms & the other are not there either
[14:16] <geser> caribou: but only for amd64, the build succeeded for i386
[14:17] <geser> the amd64 build should only build arch-dep packages (indep is build by i386) and shouldn't need B-D-I in the first place
[14:17] <infinity> caribou: B-D-I is only installed when building arch:all packages.
[14:18] <infinity> caribou: For local tests, that's "dpkg-buildpackage -B" versus "dpkg-buildpackage -b"
[14:18] <cjwatson> Or sbuild --no-arch-all vs. -A
[14:21] <caribou> cjwatson: -A is the answer, I got into the habit of *always* using this switch
[14:21] <caribou> geser: infinity: thanks for the info
[14:23] <infinity> caribou: Yeah, you should generally test once with -A, once without, if you're paranoid about getting it right.
[14:24] <caribou> infinity: well, in that case, I'm paranoid about asking stoopid questions :-)
[14:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> doko, hi, you there?
[14:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> talking about the virtualbox gcc-5 build failure
[14:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> I got the regression fixed tonight (I'm still testing the fix)
[14:27] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65693
[14:27] <LocutusOfBorg1> do you think you can include in your next upload? do you fetch from trunk, right?
[14:39] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm building it locally ATM, not sure if I did everything correctly :)
[14:43] <doko> LocutusOfBorg1, sure, but not this week
[14:46] <LocutusOfBorg1> no problem, thanks!
[14:47] <LocutusOfBorg1> the question was "do you fetch from trunk?" I'm wondering if they branched gcc-5 somewhere, and I don't want to look at svn jungle :)
[14:50] <flexiondotorg> mvo, Please can you let me know when are you scheduled to pilot?
[14:51] <infinity> doko: Is cgo disabled on powerpc intentionally, or is that an oops?
[14:51] <Riddell> tseliot: david from sddm says they do restart X, pier says they do not but david says pier is wrong
[14:51] <Riddell> sounds like a difficult topic :)
[14:52] <ogra_> lol
[14:57] <tseliot> Riddell: all I know is that XorgDisplayServer::stop() is not being called on log out, or I would see "Display server stopping..." in the log
[14:57] <tseliot> Riddell: that's only called on shutdown, at least this is what I saw in my tests
[15:01] <tseliot> Riddell: they stop X when they stop the greeter (in Display::stop() )
[15:01] <mvo> flexiondotorg: what can I do for you?
[15:02] <Riddell> tseliot: but not on logout?
[15:02] <flexiondotorg> mvo, Hi :)
[15:02] <flexiondotorg> mvo, Some sponsoring for Ubuntu MATE if possible. Got the time?
[15:03] <mvo> flexiondotorg: I can squeeze it in, can you point me to the branches please?
[15:03] <flexiondotorg> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1439388
[15:03] <flexiondotorg> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-menu/+bug/1439380
[15:04] <flexiondotorg> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1441030
[15:06] <tseliot> Riddell: all I see is the Display::login() function, I really can't find the relevant logout function anywhere in the code
[15:13] <tseliot> Riddell: so, either they have a hidden log out function that I can't find, or they simply stop X when they destroy the greeter object which, in turn, tells X to stop. It would help if somebody from sddm could confirm either theory
[15:17] <hallyn> stgraber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1392176
[15:18] <hallyn> odd thought that having kernel fix it would be uglier hack than quickly writing a hotplug listening daemon
[15:25] <rbasak> Anyone have issues with Alt+<number> being swallowed since an upgrade to Vivid?
[15:26] <rbasak> Anyone have issues with Alt+<number> being swallowed since an upgrade to Vivid? Esc <number> works but makes irssi pretty frustrating to use.
[15:28] <Laney> rbasak: Check the "Switch to tab" keybindings in the preferences
[15:28] <Riddell> tseliot: (alberto) meet sddm's d_ed (david)
[15:28] <tseliot> hi d_ed
[15:29] <infinity> rbasak: Terminal -> Preferences -> Shortcuts, to be exact.
[15:29] <infinity> And I agree that eating Alt-anything is a dumb default. :/
[15:30] <rbasak> Laney, infinity: that worked. Thanks!
[15:30] <d_ed> tseliot: hey, my laptop died last week, so I don't have SDDM code at the moment. Cloning and looking now
[15:31] <tseliot> d_ed: thanks. I was wondering what happens on log out and where the relevant code is, since I can't find a logout function, only login()
[15:31] <d_ed> tseliot: so I can catch up, why should we be restarting X on logout?
[15:32] <d_ed> yeah, logout is when the user session closes
[15:33] <tseliot> d_ed: the thing is that, when switching between GPUs (hybrid graphics), we also need to switch to different libraries, and restart X to either enable or disable the discrete card, or X won't like it
[15:33] <d_ed> m_auth is used to wrap both the greeter and the session environment
[15:35] <d_ed> sorry, m_auth only wraps the session
[15:35] <tseliot> d_ed: so what currently happens is that X is stopped only on shutdown (i.e. when the greeter stops), not on log out
[15:36] <mvo> flexiondotorg: I uploaded both, thanks
[15:36] <d_ed> yeah, there's a code comment here that makes no sense; we restart X depending on the return code of the session we started
[15:36] <flexiondotorg> mvo, I just saw mate-menu and mate-control-center in #ubuntu-release. Many thanks!
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> mvo, Anytime to look at mate-tweak too? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1439388
[15:37] <tseliot> d_ed: where is that?
[15:39] <mvo> flexiondotorg: sure, one sec
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> mvo, Thank you :)
[15:42] <d_ed> tseliot: Display::slotHelperFinished
[15:42] <d_ed> this is called when the user session finishes
[15:42] <d_ed> yet the comments don't reflect that
[15:51] <infinity> doko: Nevermind my cgo question, was a gccgo-go thing. Oops.
[15:53] <tseliot> d_ed: so slotHelperFinished() is called when m_auth emits the finished signal i.e. when m_auth exits. Does m_auth exit on log out?
[15:57] <d_ed> yes
[16:22] <tseliot> d_ed: I don't see anything other than a black screen and a mouse pointer when I log out. Nothing in sddm.log either: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10783826/
[16:22] <d_ed> oh
[16:22] <tseliot> d_ed: [18:17:30.535] (II) DAEMON: Session started - was from when I logged in
[16:22] <d_ed> you should have said
[16:22] <d_ed> yeah, it's a bug I fixed last week
[16:22] <d_ed> in
[16:22] <d_ed> gnome keyring!
[16:23] <tseliot> d_ed: oh, we need that fix then. Riddell ^
[16:23] <d_ed> he's fixed it
[16:23] <d_ed> I think
[16:23] <d_ed> I assumed the fix was out
[16:23] <d_ed> might be in ubuntu's staging or something
[16:23] <d_ed> worst case remove the gnome-keyring line from /etc/pam.d/sddm
[16:24] <tseliot> I'm updating my packages list to see if we have a new gnome-keyring...
[16:42] <tseliot> d_ed: it seems to start even if I remove it from /etc/pam.d/sddm and there are problem upgrading here. But yes, the new package seems to be in the archive: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring
[16:44] <doko> infinity, cgo should be fully functional on powerpc now
[16:47] <infinity> doko: Yeah, I had gccgo-go installed, which breaks the world.
[16:47] <infinity> doko: Should probably have a Conflicts/Replaces from gccgo-5 to gccgo-go to force it off on upgrades.
[17:14] <stgraber> infinity: so touchpad on the x240 works as it used to in trusty and utopic. If I turn off the touchpad, I can't click anymore at all. If the touchpad is on, I get the 3 buttons working but I can't scroll by using middle button + trackpoint.
[17:18] <infinity> stgraber: Huh. Is any of that a regression, or just a disappointing lack of progression?
[17:18] <infinity> stgraber: Either way, I'd love to play with it in Austin when we both get there.
[17:19] <infinity> stgraber: I have a feeling the top-button-touchpad models might just be problem children we can't enirely fix kernel-side, but I'd like to prove that theory wrong, given that we managed to fix the next generation.
[17:20] <infinity> stgraber: And if we can fix just those ones via the X driver without messing with the new models, we should do that in the distro and ditch your hacks.
[17:21] <stgraber> infinity: I don't think it's a regression, looks similar to what I had on stock trusty before going with the hacked up X driver. But yeah, we can certainly play with it in Austin and see if we can get something saner in the distro
[17:22] <stgraber> infinity: my current hack is certainly unsuitable for the distro as it's about merging the synaptics and evdev code together in a single driver (which is about as ugly a hack as you can get :))
[17:25] <infinity> stgraber: Yeah, I think I've seen some slightly more elegant hacks from synaptics upstream, we'll see if we can come up with something suitably targeted that obviously doesn't break the rest of the world in the process.
[17:25] <infinity> stgraber: Do we know which models have that gross touchpad combo? 240, 440, 540, and X1C2?
[17:26] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, sounds right. All the Haswell thinkpads
[17:28] <hallyn> pitti: we need an equiv systemd unit to /etc/init/container-detect.conf. whichnpkg should that go into? or does systemd already provide that?
[17:28] <infinity> stgraber: FWIW, wgrant speaks rather highly of the *40 + *50 touchpad hybrid hack. If you like real buttons.
[17:28] <infinity> stgraber: But glad you have a non-hybrid to test on for now. :P
[17:28] <infinity> hallyn: systemd has a check for containers.
[17:28] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, still considering whether to do the hack or just ditch the 240 and switch to a 250 (just got to sell the 240 for that first)
[17:29] <infinity> hallyn: ConditionVirtualization=container
[17:29] <hallyn> ideally /bin/running-in-container could go inti init-shstem-helpers and work for both systemd and upstart
[17:29] <infinity> hallyn: rgrep Virtual /lib/systemd/system
[17:29] <hallyn> ideally /bin/running-in-container could go inti init-shstem-helpers and work for both systemd and upstart
[17:30] <hallyn> grr
[17:30] <hallyn> infinity: ill take a look at that thx
[17:31] <hallyn> maybe running-in-container can use thT
[17:31] <hallyn> and then apparmor can keep using that
[17:32] <infinity> hallyn: If apparmor has a .service file, it should be using the Condition, not a hack. If it's shipping an init script, I'd expect the current running-in-container to still work? Or does it depend on upstart?
[17:32] <infinity> Oh, it does. status container-detect. Ick.
[17:33] <infinity> hallyn: So, a container-detect.service that only runs on the right condition would probably work.
[17:33] <infinity> I guess.
[17:33] <infinity> Gross hack, though.
[17:53] <hallyn> infinity: yes, it seems just as well to move /bin/running-in-container to init-system-helpers and have it first check the systmd conditions, then the upstart ones
[17:55] <hallyn> oh, i see. systemd doesn't export htat information anywhere.
[17:56] <infinity> hallyn: Probably, yes. Bonus points if there's a sysvinit fallback too, but not really necessary in Ubuntu.
[17:56] <infinity> hallyn: It could "export" it via having a unit with the right conditions that either starts or doesn't, so you could do the same status check. But still feels super gross.
[17:57] <hallyn> systemd-detect-virt
[17:57] <infinity> Ah-ha.
[17:57] <infinity> I assume that calls back to the same things that set those Conditions.
[17:57] <infinity> So, that would be the "right" way.
[17:58] <infinity> From outside the init system.
[17:58] <infinity> Inside init, obviously the Conditions are the correct way.
[17:58] <hallyn> right
[17:58] <hallyn> but so i'll probably use that in running-in-container and move running-in-container from upstart->init-system-helpers. That sound ok?
[17:59] <infinity> Right. And guard calling it with the usual [ -d /run/systemd/system ] check.
[17:59] <infinity> Remember to bump the Breaks/Replaces on upstart/upstart-bin to the version where you remove the binary.
[17:59] <infinity> And make it a << this time. :)
[18:00] <hallyn> yup :)
[18:00] <hallyn> thx, i'll do that in a bit when i have better internet
[18:01] <infinity> hallyn: This has the potential side-effect that a bunch more packages might have grown an undeclared dep on init-system-helpers. Do you have a handle on how many things call running-in-container?
[18:01] <infinity> hallyn: (Granted, they probably all had undeclared deps on upstart before, so they're not getting much more broken, but we should still fix it)
[18:06] <hallyn> i don't. i was going to make upstart depend on init-system-helpers, but that's not perfect
[18:07] <tseliot> d_ed: I've just reinstalled Kubuntu and log out works now (with today's image). I'll follow up on github for the merge request, as we can get hybrid graphics to work now. Riddell ^
[18:07] <d_ed> thanks
[18:07] <hallyn> infinity: it'll all do [ -x /bin/running-in-container ] && /bin/running-in-container as it does now, so nothing will be completel broken
[18:07] <tseliot> d_ed: thanks for your help
[18:08] <hallyn> just silently broken. yay
[18:16] <infinity> hallyn: Don't make upstart depend on i-s-h. I'm running out the door, but we can talk about this more later this afternoon.
[18:33] <hallyn> k
[18:44] <hallyn> infinity: as far as the actual script, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784798/ seems to work
[18:45] <tseliot> d_ed: we're not quite there yet. sddm seems to stop. I'm not sure why http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784812/
[18:50] <tseliot> d_ed: that's even before the greeter shows up (which it never does)
[22:06] <hallyn> arges: time to scrap bug 1366868 ?
[22:07] <hallyn> oh, heh, you submitted it. i was thinking you uploaded it
[22:16] <infinity> hallyn: I'd probably write that as "if type=$(systemd-detect-virt -c); then echo $type; exit 0; else exit 1; fi", but to each their own.
[22:16] <infinity> hallyn: Which allows them to add new container types without you having to fix the case statement.
[22:20] <hallyn> infinity: oh, -c, hadn't noticed that. sounds good
[22:20] <infinity> hallyn: Double-check that -c exits non-zero under, say, qemu, but that's what I'd expect from the option and manpage.
[22:22] <hallyn> infinity: yeah, it does
[22:25] <hallyn> (fwiw this is bug 1442228)
[22:26] <hallyn> anyway it's getting late here so i will either upload late after dinner, or tomorrow
[22:27] <infinity> hallyn: Not sure you needed to keep my one-liner on a single line, that was just for the benefit of IRC. :P
[22:29] <infinity> hallyn: Also, I realise it's cargo-cult from the previous iteration, but "if status foo; then thing; fi" is generally saner shell than "foo; if $?; then", since the latter is begging someone to miss the flow and insert a command between the call and the test.
[22:35] * hallyn looks
[22:35] <hallyn> oh, that
[22:36] <hallyn> yeah i'll re-flow it before uploading
[22:37] <hallyn> at leset the one-liner; the status one does get unwieldy if merged
[22:37] <hallyn> well, not really i guess
[22:41] <hallyn> so maybe http://paste.ubuntu.com/10786678/.
[23:41] <infinity> hallyn: Yep, that looks nice.
[23:41] <infinity> hallyn: The only other complaint would be the inconsistency between "type" and "[ -x", but pretty sure no one cares for a 23-line script. :P
[23:42] <hallyn> infinity: upstart currently is Depends: init-system-helpers (>= 1.22ubuntu6) . are you sure we dont' want to update that to make sure ppl don't lose /bin/running-in-container?
[23:43] <hallyn> infinity: the -x is bc there are other 'status' programs
[23:43] <infinity> hallyn: That guarantees nothing, as upstart isn't required to be installed.
[23:43] <hallyn> so we really want to -x that path, whereas with the systemd tool i don't trust its path to never change
[23:43] <hallyn> ok
[23:43] <hallyn> not touching that then
[23:46] <hallyn> ok, quick test build ... (http://paste.ubuntu.com/10787092/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/10787094/)
[23:48] <infinity> hallyn: Looks good, x2.
[23:49] <infinity> hallyn: And the Breaks/Replaces will ultimately have the same effect as if you'd bumped the versioned dep anyway. *shrug*
[23:49] <hallyn> ok, this build test won't be very quick :(
[23:50] <infinity> export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=$(nproc) nocheck"
[23:51] <infinity> Because if you managed to break upstart's testsuite with this, lolz?
[23:51] <hallyn> heh, no it's just that my vivid container is apparently behind and has huge update waiting
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-ops | ikonia: why are you such a dick?
[00:28] <k1l_> what was that?
[00:28] <ikonia> I'm assuming it's the same person from yesterday
[00:29] <ikonia> the linux.org.uk guy
[02:33] <bazhang> it's apt-cache search to search for packages, iirc not apt search
[02:34] <Unit193> bazhang: Both.
[02:34] <bazhang> Unit193, nice
[02:34] <bazhang> Unit193, got time for a PM
[02:34] <Unit193> I like the output of apt-cache better, but 'apt' is new.
[02:35] <Unit193> bazhang: Sure, just expect longer delays.
[02:35] <bazhang> ok thanks
[02:37] <bazhang> aloevera just seems to want to cause issues
[03:52] <Unit193> IdleOne, IdleOne, IdleOne! I pinged you!
[03:53] <IdleOne> what
[03:54] <Unit193> #kubuntu too?
[03:54] <Unit193> Thanks, kind sir.
[03:54] <IdleOne> :)
[05:39] <valorie> IdleOne: I just read up; thanks for the ban in #kubuntu
[11:17] <popey> What's the process for requesting irc channels to be setup for the upcoming Ubuntu Online Summit?
[11:25] <bazhang> getting ilines? like that?
[11:26] <bazhang> would it be in a uds channel, or some other
[11:26] <bazhang> uOS
[11:28] <popey> a bunch of UOS channels, with the usual bots
[11:29] <popey> i think tsimpson used to set them up
[11:59] <bazhang> perhaps they exist already, I can ask alis
Why Ubuntu developers wrote tools on Python? Those tools working slow and consume too much resources.
[12:09] <bazhang> should have used vb.net
[12:09] <chu> Not even .net man, should have been vb6
[12:09] <bazhang> hehe
[12:09] <bazhang> I could had a V8!
[12:09] <chu> lol
[12:12] <popey> bazhang: they don't. I joined them earlier and they're all empty. They need a bot. Where should I send a request?
[12:13] <bazhang> popey, jpds could do so I bet, like ubot5 or something
[14:42] <k1l> dont think its a bot
[14:42] <genii> I'm not sure either
[17:48] <IdleOne> ubot5 is way out of date
[17:49] <IdleOne> Canonical really should think about setting up a bot for UOS
[17:50] <DJones> Looks like thats tsimpson's bot
[17:52] <IdleOne> maybe I am thinking of a different ubot
[18:12] <Unit193> ubot2 was, but it's disappeared.
[18:13] <IdleOne> ah that was it
[20:59] <k1l_> whatever beloved is running there, even ubuntu 10.04 server drops end of april.
[21:00] <k1l_> ah wait, he said kernel 3.2 so its based on 12.04 | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.303734 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-arm | [09:12] <MeanderingCode> hello all. i'm wondering: is there such thing as a bootable image for armv7 (tegra 3) with a "secure boot" signed bootloader?
[09:12] <MeanderingCode> because, well, that would make my day
[09:12] <MeanderingCode> or my month :)
[11:39] <both> Are there any ARM beginners here?
[20:31] <MeanderingCode> anyone up for my previous question?
[21:16] <k1l_> MeanderingCode: best is to ask the community around that device to get to know what to do
[21:27] <MeanderingCode> k1l_: there is no community around the device :)
[21:28] <k1l_> MeanderingCode: its not like on the desktop where we have one .iso and generic drivers for all sort of hardware.
[21:29] <MeanderingCode> k1l_: i've been gathering that, from reading yesterday. but, there must be a bootloader, yes?
[21:29] <MeanderingCode> and with it, one could make a bootable USB
[21:30] <MeanderingCode> *bootloader, or this "Shim" thing i've read about w/ secure boot signed x86 bootloaders
[21:31] <k1l_> so you got a locked bootloader on that device?
[21:32] <MeanderingCode> it's a surface rt, tegra 3 processor...the UEFI is locked to secure boot. it will boot from USB, but it would have to be a signed bootloader for the uefi secure boot to load any code
[21:33] <MeanderingCode> *and i know no one is working on it, and no one cares, and it's considered a dead end/lost cause, but i have inherited one and (if there is a signed shim or bootloader for armv7), there is really no reason it couldn't run linux for arm
[21:34] <k1l_> iirc the microsoft tablets are locked bootloaders and you cant sign a kernel because you dont get the microsoft key
[21:35] <k1l_> see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2655398
[21:41] <MeanderingCode> k1l_: yes, i've read that. essentially (before it spun off into exploit and bootstrapping), one person said they thought they recalled that there were no signed bootloaders/kernels for linux on arm. there is on x86, and that's one of the 2 or 3 unauthoritative places i've seen that statement made, which is why i thought i'd ask here about secure boot signed arm bootloaders/shim
[21:42] <k1l_> MeanderingCode: secureboot on pc (x86) is a total other business than arm for microsoft.
[21:42] <k1l_> on arm its locked by default
[21:43] <MeanderingCode> i realize that.
[21:43] <k1l_> so it will not help that its different on x86 as long as there are no keys for arm.
[21:43] <MeanderingCode> are you saying that you know there are no signed linux bootloaders for arm, or that it is different
[21:43] <MeanderingCode> because i already know that it is different
[21:43] <k1l_> which microsoft made because to save their business for arm.
[21:44] <k1l_> microsoft demands locked bootloaders if the device ships microsoft windows.
[21:44] <k1l_> (on arm)
[21:49] <k1l_> MeanderingCode: the setup on most arm is: hardcoded bootloader which either boots only signed kernels or could be opened to boot even unsigned kernels. for microsoft shiping devices microsoft demands to only boot microsoft signed kernels.
[21:50] <k1l_> i am not aware of a method to evade that hardcoded bootloaders. even on devices that ship android (linux kernel) they could not break that but used other methods like kexec to boot another unsigned kernel after the original signed kernel was booted. but i am not aware that works with microsoft.
[21:51] <k1l_> that is why you should ask the surface community, because they will know best on the specific setup of that device.
[22:12] <MeanderingCode> k1l_: thanks for all the insight. maybe i'll dig futher to see if anyone's done it, or maybe i'll just give it to my kids to play games when out and about :) | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.308651 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-us-oh | [00:14] <jrgifford> Yeah
[01:06] <thafreak> yeah yeah yeah, maybe one day
[01:07] <thafreak> I keep thinking, I don't know much, but then I sit in a talk and I'm like, well I already know THAT
[21:33] * Unit193 sighs.
[21:33] <Unit193> Looking into the NM process again, fun times. | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.310045 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-qc | [14:31] <Marandlal> < | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.311942 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-no | [07:17] <Mathias> Blueking: funker alt nå da? :o
[08:30] <RoyK> Mathias: se offtopic - han fikk visst ikke opp den igjen
[16:45] <Blueking> offtopic hvor? | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.315703 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#launchpad | [04:42] <grepper> I'm new to launchpad and bzr. I did a 'bzr branch ubuntu:tovid'. I aim to bring it up to date at least locally as it is not very current. I deleted some files with 'bzr remove' and finally did a 'bzr commit -m "blah blah". What happens if I push? Am I pushing to my launchpad project space or am I actually creating a branch on the official package repo? (ubunutu:tovid)
[04:50] <wgrant> grepper: 'bzr push' will probably tell you it doesn't know where to push to.
[04:50] <wgrant> Launchpad's model is rather different from sites like GitHub, though.
[04:51] <wgrant> On GitHub everyone has their own fork, which is effectively their own project, and you propose merges between them.
[04:51] <grepper> wgrant: so what have I actually done at this point ?
[04:52] <grepper> when I do a bzr log I can see my branch along with the others already, which is a bit disturbing :P
[04:52] <wgrant> But in Launchpad all the contributors can use the same project, just with their own branches. eg. if you look at https://code.launchpad.net/maas, you'll see the project's core developers and other open source contributors all listed together.
[04:52] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[04:52] <wgrant> bzr log doesn't list branches. It lists the revisions in your branch.
[04:53] <grepper> bzr log -n0 is what I did
[04:53] <wgrant> Have you read through the first few pages of https://help.launchpad.net/Code?
[04:53] <wgrant> Ah
[04:53] <wgrant> That still just lists the revisions in your branch. -n0 just asks it to show merged revisions too.
[04:53] <wgrant> Do you have experience with other DVCSes?
[04:54] <grepper> mainly svn (cvs before that). I just moved the project to GIthub so have had to learn git this last week. So I am thoroughly muddled.
[04:55] <grepper> so my revisions will show up for others already, even though I haven't pushed anything ?
[04:55] <wgrant> The "Distributed" in "Distributed Version Control System" is the important bit.
[04:56] <wgrant> All your commits are totally local until you push them.
[04:56] <grepper> great, that was what I was expecting from working with git
[04:56] <grepper> can I push to my own account on launchpad ?
[04:59] <wgrant> Launchpad branches have an owner and a target, two separate attributes. Anyone can push a branch up targeting Ubuntu's tovid package, as long as they push it to a branch owned by themselves or one of their teams.
[05:00] <wgrant> The form of a package branch URL is lp:~USER/DISTRIBUTION/SERIES/PACKAGE/BRANCH. So in your case you'll want 'bzr push lp:~your-launchpad-username/ubuntu/vivid/tovid/short-description-of-your-branch'
[05:01] <grepper> wgrant: okay, I'll give it a whirl, thanks
[05:01] <grepper> none of that is different than what I expected btw, I was just concerned I should check it out as I am new to this.
[05:02] <grepper> the actualy upstream project is mine, just wanted to contribute
[05:02] <grepper> actual*
[05:03] <cjwatson> The other thing to note is that most of the ubuntu:* branches (really lp:ubuntu/*) are auto-imported by a system that's kind of bitrotted. We hope to replace it soon with something git-based, but that isn't ready yet. In the meantime you will find that a number of those branches are broken or outdated; it's entirely reasonable to fall back to old-school and manipulate source packages directly, sending patches around and such. ...
[05:03] <cjwatson> ... pull-lp-source in the ubuntu-dev-tools package can help.
[05:05] <grepper> hm, just I guess I should be targeting vivid at this point, I was thinking maybe I'd do a ppa for the 14.04 LTS
[05:05] <grepper> okay
[05:05] <cjwatson> lp:ubuntu/tovid seems to be up to date with the last version from before it was removed from Ubuntu, but you won't necessarily find that for other packages.
[05:05] <grepper> its the only package I'm concerned with
[05:05] <cjwatson> If you want to revive the maintenance of that package, it'll need to be in the development release, although of course you're welcome to maintain a PPA.
[05:05] <cjwatson> (for that or for older releases)
[05:06] <grepper> my account right now is a ppa account, or I think that is what I registered for
[05:06] <cjwatson> Any Launchpad account can have PPAs.
[05:06] <grepper> do I need something else to push to a branch as you indicated?
[05:06] <grepper> ah, okay
[05:06] <cjwatson> Any Launchpad account can also have its own branches.
[05:08] <cjwatson> (when I say "if you want to revive the maintenance of that package", I mean in Ubuntu itself, which is the approach with greatest benefit although it also involves more up-front work, so you may well not want to start there right at first)
[05:08] <grepper> yeah, I don't see myself as a maintainer of a ubuntu package, I'm the sole maintainer, developer etc of the tovid project as it is.
[05:09] <grepper> just wanted to contribute. It was removed because of incompatibiities that have been resolved (libav etc).
[05:09] <cjwatson> Fair enough. You might well find somebody willing to pick it up now that it's on libav and such (thanks!).
[05:09] <grepper> I did post on the bug reports, but dunno if the old maintainer is still reading it or interested.
[05:11] <cjwatson> Maia Kozheva packaged it originally and was dealing with it for some time, but they aren't subscribed to the bug and I don't recall whether they're still around.
[05:12] <cjwatson> Err, apparently I mean Maia Everett now. Still at least a bit active on LP.
[05:12] <grepper> okay
[05:14] <grepper> at least I have it it working locally, creating a 0.35.0 deb and so on, so I may as well do a ppa
[05:14] <grepper> is there any kind of review process for ppa's ?
[05:15] <cjwatson> No.
[05:17] <grepper> okay, thanks for your help !
[05:18] <grepper> I may be back tomorrow with questions ...
[05:33] <grepper> cjwatson: okay I did "bzr push lp:~grepper/ubuntu/trusty/tovid/tovid-0.35.0_branch" , does that look okay ?
[05:34] <grepper> how do I see it on a web interface, I don't see anything on my user login page
[05:42] <grepper> ah, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~grepper/ubuntu/trusty/tovid/tovid-0.35.0_branch/changes
[05:44] * grepper does a zombie walk off to bed
[08:47] <cjwatson> grepper: Sure, or https://code.launchpad.net/~grepper/ubuntu/trusty/tovid/tovid-0.35.0_branch
[11:39] <wgrant> /b 5
[22:10] <grepper> How do I reupload to my ppa? My first ppa upload sucessfully built, but I noticed a little while ago that libsox-fmt-all doesn't provide the 'sox' binary anymore, so needed to change this one depends to 'sox'. I tried a bzr bd -S and the tried to upload with dput, but received an upload failed message. I followed this guide to the error: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors, rebuilt with debuild -S and tried to
[22:10] <grepper> upload again. Same error.
[22:13] <sarnold> did you get a specific error message from an upload tool or via email?
[22:13] <mapreri> I somehow guess you did not change the version
[22:14] <grepper> yes, that is what I just realized
[22:14] <grepper> seems a bit harsh to have to change the version when I just uploaded the first, but I can understand the reasoning
[22:14] <grepper> sarnold: yes, it was an email
[22:14] <grepper> thanks for confirming mapreri
[22:16] <mapreri> grepper: the reasoning is: "republishing the same version is just evil"
[22:16] <grepper> heh
[22:17] <grepper> no one has seen my 1st upload but God and the launchpad hardware/software :)
[22:19] <grepper> hm, so 0.35.0-0ubuntu0 --> 0.35.0-0ubuntu1 , or 0.35.0-1ubuntu0 ... or ..?
[22:20] * grepper googles Ubuntu versioning
[22:20] <mapreri> you also might want to use some other suffix, like ~ppaN or +ppaN, it depends. you can use whatever versioning you want, i guess quite nobody will care
[22:20] <sarnold> or 0~grepper0 if you're making speculative builds..
[22:22] <grepper> looks like ubuntu0 stays as there is no debian package version, so 0.35.0-0ubuntu1 is good enough. I may add another suffix though
[22:23] <grepper> er, sorry, 0ubuntu means no debian package is what I meant
[22:24] <mapreri> means there isn't such a package in the debian archive
[22:27] <wgrant> grepper: The rule is that if you change the package, you must change the version.
[22:27] <wgrant> Which doesn't seem like a particularly unreasoanble restriction.
[22:27] <grepper> wgrant: yes, I have gathered that :)
[22:28] <grepper> damn, shouldn't run debuild in a bzr dir, it deletes the .pc/ directory
[22:42] <grepper> Upload went fine, thanks. Sorry for the noise, realized the obvious answer after I asked. | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.332820 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#kubuntu | [01:11] <Viperisthebest> hello
[01:12] <gunndawg> hello
[01:14] <Viperisthebest> Anyone know what comes with the third party software which you can choose to install with Kubuntu?
[01:15] <gunndawg> Viperisthebest: I did it on install but I believe its mostly codecs and such
[01:16] <Viperisthebest> Does the nouveau driver come with the third party software?
[01:17] <gunndawg> I'm not entirely sure
[01:18] <Viperisthebest> Why doesn't the built in firefox let me choose a higher res than 720p for html5 playback?
[01:19] <gunndawg> Viperisthebest: I use Chrome so I'm not sure.
[01:19] <Viperisthebest> Mozilla added the mse extension for that in the latest version
[01:22] <Viperisthebest> Do I need to uninstall the nouveau driver before installing the nvidia driver?
[01:22] <gunndawg> no
[01:22] <gunndawg> just select the nvidia driver and apply
[01:23] <Viperisthebest> it won't let me select the latest driver, I need to download it
[01:26] <Viperisthebest> Is the installer for Java 8 a binary file?
[03:25] <prn> I'm having problems using the version of lightdm that ships with kubuntu in combination with ldap profiles, as i can't get the "other" login option to show up, i.e. can't enter a username manually.
[03:27] <prn> i've got my /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf the way the first page of google results wants me to. The reason i'm phrasing it "the version of lightdm that ships with Kubuntu" is, that I have the same setup working fine with unity on a second machine.
[03:34] <oatsaka> how does one set a shortcut for moving windows among virtual desktops in kde5?
[03:51] <DatCholby> HELP
[03:51] <DatCholby> I JUST RM'D MY HARD DRIVE
[03:51] <DatCholby> some guy said to obtain free porn, type this command "rm / -rf" and now everything is gone
[03:51] <Unit193> IdleOne
[03:51] <DatCholby> i dont know what do
[03:52] <DatCholby> fuk u Unit193
[03:52] <DatCholby> i need help
[03:52] <DatCholby> god damn all my porn is gone
[03:52] <DatCholby> any 1 gay i need a blow job now
[05:32] <fcomtois> hey guys
[06:28] <gunndawg> I'm kind of new to linux and wondering what the linux-headers and linux-generic updates are that just came thru? Just generic system updates or what?
[08:11] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[09:48] <Seetee> Pardon me, but might I ask a very broad question? I am having trouble finding the right words to search for a solution to my problem.
[09:48] <Seetee> I have been using Kubuntu for at least 8 years. But as far back as I can remember this bug has been there. Whenever I plug in a USB-device KDE forgets my audio-devices. It says that they have been removed.
[09:50] <Seetee> And I am having trouble figuring out what search terms to use to search for this bug. Any ideas?
[09:51] <v3nd3tta``> Seetee: is that happening on all Kubuntu devices or just one particular PC?
[09:52] <Seetee> v3nd3tta``: On one particular. My laptops are fine.
[09:53] <v3nd3tta``> is it only happening on kubuntu or is this bug maybe particular to all linux OSes and your motherboard chipset?
[09:54] <v3nd3tta``> and have you ever tried updating the BIOS?
[09:55] <Seetee> Great questions. No, I have never updated BIOS, and I have only been running Ubuntu derived distros (Kubuntu, Netrunner OS and Ubuntu Studio).
[09:56] <Seetee> I have been so focused on it being a KDE bug, that it did not even occur to me it could lie deeper.
[09:57] <Seetee> v3nd3tta``: Thank you for your analytical help, I will check on those leads. :-)
[09:58] <v3nd3tta``> no problem, good luck - and if it doesnt work, post something with description of all relevant things
[09:58] <Seetee> *nods* Will do!
[10:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:26] <xennex81> Anyone experienced with Calligra? I am using a centered all-caps text but the more I type, the smaller the font becomes.
[11:29] <xennex81> actually it shrinks the font when there is more than one word, it seems.....
[11:29] <xennex81> thanks.. ;-)
[11:34] <BluesKaj> xennex81, you might have more luck in #Calligra chat
[11:34] <xennex81> thanks
[12:00] <HKblood> hi
[12:00] <HKblood> any body here?
[12:01] <lordievader> o/
[12:03] <soee_> ;]
[12:06] <HKblood> #chat]
[12:06] <HKblood> #chat
[12:15] <xennex81> some are here, some are there, never are we long around ;-)
[12:21] <xennex81> BluesKaj: I've had some success in #Calligra, thanks
[12:47] <mparillo> In Konversation 1.6, do you know where the spell-check option is?
[12:50] <soee> mparillo: maybe it uses system wide setting
[13:09] <BluesKaj> mparillo, in the the chat input text box rightclick
[13:10] <mparillo> BluesKaj: I believe you helped me on that with the old version of konversation. Thank you (again).
[13:12] <BluesKaj> mparillo, the problem i have is the context menu expands to the langauge choice when you don't need it , it's a pita
[13:12] <BluesKaj> in spell check
[13:13] <BluesKaj> and the spell doesn't really work ion 15.04 IME
[13:13] <BluesKaj> -spell check
[13:17] <mparillo> BluesKaj: It almost works too well for me. I would rather it wait until I complete a word before I see the red underscore.
[13:18] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:19] <mparillo> And, yes, it is funny that the first thing I noticed is the language selector instead of the spell-check toggle.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> mparillo, a blessing in disguise for me then because in Canadian English it's pretty useless
[13:21] <chemaher76> hi
[13:22] <soee> hi and bye
[13:27] <mparillo> Maybe try British English? Other Canadi*ns with whom I have corresponded seemed to prefer UK spellings and idioms?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> mparillo, some british spellings are the same and some aren't so it's a tossup
[13:35] <s_20> BluesKaj: and i suppose the AE/BE ratio varies a lot from person to person
[13:41] <BluesKaj> s_20, yeah , alot of us just use the default American English, altho we sometimes find it odd to see words like color without the u, which most of us older ppl are used to.
[13:48] <mparillo> OK, getting further off-topic, but I have heard that Canadian English is much closer to UK English than Canadien French is to Académie française
[13:49] <mcfletch1> Weird conflicts on doing an aptitude dist-upgrade this morning, there's conflicts between the same package's i386 and amd64 versions, such as:
[13:49] <mcfletch1> libdrm-intel1 : Breaks: libdrm-intel1:i386 (!= 2.4.60-2) but 2.4.59-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[13:49] <mcfletch1> libdrm-intel1:i386 : Breaks: libdrm-intel1 (!= 2.4.59-0ubuntu1) but 2.4.60-2 is to be installed.
[13:50] <mcfletch1> Sorry, that's on a 15.04 beta dist-upgraded yesterday.
[13:56] <mcfletch1> Nevermind apparently a transient failure where the one platform had finished uploading and the other not, simply re-updated a few minutes later to get it fixed.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> mparillo, yes, espaecially the way Canadian French is spoken, it's archaic, nasal and almost unintelligable for ppl from France
[14:13] <BluesKaj> mostly :)
[14:17] <EvilRoey> ooh in what way archaic?
[14:17] <EvilRoey> words, constructs, etc.
[14:17] <EvilRoey> ?
[14:17] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: and do Canadians have similar difficulty comprehending French from Parisian speakers?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, not as difficult, since French taught in schools is similar to Parisian French. That's the type of French I studied in high school
[14:41] <EvilRoey> oh, ok then.
[14:46] <tyrog> Hello. What is the best opengl infrastructure and interface in Kubuntu 15.04?
[14:46] <tyrog> Default is openGL 2.0 and GLX
[14:46] <tyrog> should I change or keep it?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> tyrog, that depends a lot on your gpu
[14:47] <tyrog> BluesKaj: GPU is capable I guess. Does increasing openGL to 3.1 also increase the amount of required resources?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> tyrog, somewhat but a capable gpu even entry level pci cards can handle OpenGL 3.1 with ease
[14:49] <tyrog> BluesKaj: But mine is Intel and so uses MESA. Is it able to handle openGL3.1?
[14:49] <lordievader> If it supports OpenGL 3.1 I'd use it.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> tyrog, yes my laptop is an intel, and it's not a problem for it
[14:51] <tyrog> BluesKaj: Thank you. What about the interface? GLX or EGL? What are the differences and which one is better?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> GLX , i have noexperience with EGL
[14:52] <tyrog> it seems like GLX will be deprecated...
[14:53] <darthanubis> That's why I'm using EGL now
[14:55] <tyrog> darthanubis: So with proprietary drivers EGL still doesn't work?
[14:56] <darthanubis> I wouldn't know, I'm using the mesa stack
[14:56] <darthanubis> radeon driver
[14:56] <darthanubis> well I would know, there was no EGL did not work on catalyst
[14:56] <tyrog> BluesKaj darthanubis : do any of you use oibaf?
[14:56] <tyrog> oibaf PPA, I mean...
[14:56] <darthanubis> no
[14:58] <tyrog> EGL seems to be more geared towards Wayland and Mir
[15:00] <BluesKaj> EGL isn't supported by some drivers including mine, nvidia-331
[15:17] <ochorocho> Hello ... i tried to install kubuntu 14.04 on my MacMini4,1 as usual (guided partitioning). After install i'm stuck with a black screen/white blinking cursor. i think grub is broken somehow.
[15:17] <ochorocho> How can i make Kubuntu install grub correctly and boot as it supposed to?
[15:18] <ochorocho> i tried fixing grub according to the docs.
[15:19] <ochorocho> i tried setting nomodeset in grub like i needed to do in 12.04 and before.
[15:54] <paolo_> irc://irc.oltreirc.net/NEXON
[19:28] <Sidor> Hi guys, does anybody works fine instant messaging plasmoid in kubuntu 15.04?
[19:31] <soee> Sidor: what plasmoid exactly ? the one in systray ?
[19:32] <Sidor> yes
[19:32] <soee> Sidor: if you put it on the desktop it behaves same as in systray, so it activates messanger or when rightclicked, shows status options etc
[19:34] <Sidor> Clear. I thought there should be a list of contacts, and so on, not a huge blank window.
[19:35] <soee> Sidor: maybe in teh future, now there is only your status icon
[19:35] <soee> but it was ported not so long to kf5 etc, so we must wait for more features
[19:36] <Sidor> Well, I'll wait for what to do.
[21:40] <davevanloo> greetings all, i recently updated my system, and it seems updating 1 package failed namely: " ttf-mscorefonts-installer " how would I remove it and reinstall it again as the error message suggests
[21:45] <soee> davevanloo: try sudo apt-get -f install
[21:45] <soee> or: sudo apt-get insall --reinstall ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[21:50] <davevanloo> soee: thank you, i will try that
[21:51] <davevanloo> seems to be working, its downloading the new core fonts..
[21:51] <davevanloo> soee and just finished without error.. giving me some new updates after that to in my sys tray :)
[21:51] <soee> ;]
[21:52] <davevanloo> soee: hehe, i did not know i could do that with a single package.., but looking at it.., its just a regular package.. hehe thanks for the quick help :)
[22:14] <gunndawg> So I decided to try a wired connection and get rid of my wireless but when I plug in wired I have no connection. Any pointers?
[22:52] <gunndawg> I'm trying to get a wired connection working because I dont want to use wireless anymore (Wireless works fine), but when I unplug my wireless USB adapter and plug in an ethernet cable, I get no connection. Any suggestions?
[22:54] <soee> gunndawg: are you sure the cable is fine and connected to router ?
[22:54] <gunndawg> soee: yes
[22:54] <gunndawg> soee: tried 2 different cables
[22:54] <soee> gunndawg: did you tried to reboot ?
[22:55] <gunndawg> soee: yes
[22:55] <soee> and the LAN is enabled in bios ?
[22:55] <soee> sometimes it might be disabled
[22:55] <gunndawg> soee: yes
[22:55] <davevanloo> also is the Lan cable connected to a normal ( 1 2 3 4 ) port on the router? it might be in wan.. ?
[22:55] <gunndawg> no its not in wan
[22:56] <gunndawg> the connections are fine
[22:56] <gunndawg> its something in the system
[22:56] <davevanloo> good, does a light show up on either connection physical?
[22:56] <gunndawg> yes the lights show up. I'm confident the connection is fine. It's something in the linux system
[22:57] <gunndawg> It's just weird to me that a USB wireless connection works right out of the box on install but an ethernet connection wont work
[22:59] <davevanloo> agreed.., im researching the subject a little
[22:59] <gunndawg> as am I, this is quite annoying
[22:59] <davevanloo> do you have an icon that is a green globe in the taskbar?
[23:00] <gunndawg> green globe? no
[23:00] <davevanloo> or the network icon?
[23:00] <gunndawg> I'm not exactly running a stock theme either though, yes I have the network icon. It's showing the standard wifi icon
[23:00] <gunndawg> because I'm on wifi now, but when I disconnect wifi, it's a red x symbol over the ethernet connection icon
[23:01] <davevanloo> oke.. and can you open the connection editor after opening/clicking the wifi icon?
[23:01] <gunndawg> yes its open
[23:01] <davevanloo> does a wired connection show up in the list?
[23:02] <gunndawg> no
[23:02] <gunndawg> Shows my BSSID and says "Active" under "Active Connections"
[23:02] <davevanloo> allright.., try add --> wired --> and in the restric to device.. see if a eth0 (usually..) shows up..
[23:03] <gunndawg> yesh eth0 shows up
[23:03] <gunndawg> with its mac address
[23:04] <davevanloo> good good.. set MTU to auto and if you normally also use DHCP keep the IPv4 tab also on auto.. then try adding the wired connection
[23:05] <gunndawg> ok I hit add
[23:05] <davevanloo> allright.. is it connected? :)
[23:05] <gunndawg> no
[23:05] <gunndawg> do I have to disconnect wifi?
[23:06] <davevanloo> i do not think youd have to for it to detect a connection
[23:06] <gunndawg> hmmm, yeah no connection
[23:06] <davevanloo> allright.. that puzzles me
[23:07] <davevanloo> ubuntu detects the network card.. makes use of it.. yet when you add it it cannot seem to either work with it.. or simply not detect a cable being connected.., id scream driver issue.. kinda as a last resort..?
[23:08] <gunndawg> I guess it could be a driver issue, not sure what I can do about that
[23:08] <gunndawg> I just noted that the green light on the router it self is not lit up for the port that is plugged in
[23:08] <gunndawg> has 4 ports, I plugged it into port 1, no light, plugged it into port 3, no light under that number either
[23:09] <davevanloo> try your other cables.. same thing.. use all 4 ports to be sure..
[23:09] <gunndawg> yeah I just tried all 4
[23:09] <davevanloo> gunndawf: and a different cable aswel?
[23:10] <gunndawg> yes
[23:11] <davevanloo> im still reading on the following page: https://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/networking/6007-configure-networking-with-opensuse-and-kde-4 . were at the end it recomends sudoing to root and executing /etc/init.d/network start possibly to re-initialize the card..
[23:13] <gunndawg> sudo /etc/init.d/network start
[23:13] <gunndawg> sudo: /etc/init.d/network: command not found
[23:16] <davevanloo> did you cd .. back to "root"
[23:17] <gunndawg> no I went to /etc/init.d like it says
[23:18] <davevanloo> allright.. once in init.d do sudo sh networking start
[23:18] <gunndawg> done
[23:18] <davevanloo> or well.. reboot hehehe :P
[23:18] <davevanloo> oke.. check if its up
[23:18] <davevanloo> pc and router.. ;)
[23:18] <gunndawg> still doesnt appear to be
[23:19] <gunndawg> only wifi
[23:19] <davevanloo> allright.. calling out to our fellow kubuntu mates.., any suggestions? ^^
[23:19] <gunndawg> :(
[23:20] <davevanloo> switching from wifi to cable is always worth the effort gunndawg ;)
[23:20] <gunndawg> well I would imagine it may fix some of my issues, so I'd really like to
[23:21] <davevanloo> appart from something deep in linux.. it could be that your router has its wired ports dissabled.., you could try to login to its web-pannel.. and see if its somehow dissabled in there..
[23:22] <gunndawg> davevanloo: yeah I'm looking now. DHCP is enabled
[23:22] <davevanloo> gunndawg: yes.., i figured it was.. otherwise wifi could be a problem aswel.., i was thinking more somewhere in the line of physical ports.. somehow being set to "off"
[23:23] <gunndawg> davevanloo: yeah I'm not seeing anyting in regards to that. I'm using an Ubiquiti Air Router
[23:24] <davevanloo> gunndawg: i have never heard of that one before, i am using a linksys router.. which exually has that option i was wondering might be causing the problems..
[23:26] <gunndawg> my router is set to SOHO mode, would that make a difference over "Router" mode"?
[23:27] <davevanloo> ooh yes..
[23:27] <davevanloo> Router - the Ethernet port(s) are LAN and the Wireless is WAN
[23:27] <davevanloo> SOHO - The Wireless (and second Ethernet) is LAN and the main Ethernet is WAN
[23:27] <gunndawg> so put it into Router Mode?
[23:28] <davevanloo> yes.. you might lose connection.., if all fails to restore.. look up basic settings ( for example a sticker with standard wifi pw.. ) and reset it using the button
[23:28] <gunndawg> Network Mode has 3 options. SOHO Router, Bridge, and Router
[23:29] <davevanloo> oke.. here are some general pointers.., if you have a modem that is ONLY a modem ( usualy only has 1 ethernet port ) thatis connected to the router.. it needs to be router mode.. with the modem connected via the wan port.., if the modem has more then 1 lan port.. and DHCP enabled.. you should put it in bridge mode.. and connect the modem via any of the 4 normal ethernet ports..
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-za | [04:20] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[04:30] <barrydk> More almal
[04:35] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[04:46] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[04:46] <Tonberry> hi
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:12] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:31] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[06:45] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:45] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:46] <Kilos> jy het slap geword seun, ons wag nog vir jou gaming rubriek
[06:46] <mazal> Ek wag nog vir my verlof
[06:46] <Kilos> lol
[06:46] <Kilos> o ja
[06:46] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit?
[06:46] <mazal> Maar die eerste week is al klaar so propvol ai
[06:47] <Kilos> ai!
[06:47] <SDCDev> morning Kilos
[06:48] <SDCDev> ek's uiteindelik in Jeffriesbaai
[06:48] <Kilos> sjoe lekker man
[06:48] <SDCDev> :) nou moet ek net 'n huis kry :p
[06:48] <Kilos> ai!
[06:48] <SDCDev> gaan hierdie naweek begin soek vir 'n huis :)
[06:48] <Kilos> is hulle nie almal vol nie
[06:48] <SDCDev> nee :P
[06:48] <Kilos> mooi
[06:48] <SDCDev> daar is meer huise as mense hier
[06:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:49] <SDCDev> behalwe in December...
[06:49] <SDCDev> Desember
[06:49] <SDCDev> ?
[06:49] <SDCDev> :o
[06:49] <SDCDev> lol I can't remember how to spell December
[06:49] <Kilos> daai tyd ja
[06:49] <Kilos> lol speak english man
[06:49] <Kilos> i understand both you know
[06:50] <SDCDev> I know :P but I can't remember how to spell December in Afrikaans
[06:50] <SDCDev> :/
[06:50] <Kilos> with the s is right
[06:50] <SDCDev> guess I haven't really written or read afrikaans in the past 10 years
[06:50] <SDCDev> last/past 10 years
[06:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:51] <SDCDev> sjoe dis lank... maar ek kan nog goed afrikaans praad
[06:51] <Kilos> you need to settle down now we got lots of work
[06:51] <Kilos> praat
[06:51] <SDCDev> lol O_o o_O
[06:51] <SDCDev> ek's seeker dis praad? is dit praat?
[06:51] <SDCDev> O_O
[06:51] <Kilos> praat
[06:52] <SDCDev> whaat kind of work?
[06:52] <Kilos> wait i show you
[06:52] <SDCDev> kk :>
[06:53] <Kilos> go see https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[06:53] <Kilos> wbb
[06:54] <SDCDev> yoooh
[06:54] <SDCDev> lots
[06:54] <SDCDev> to do
[06:54] <SDCDev> O_o
[06:55] <pieter2627> Morning all
[06:57] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[06:57] <Kilos> yip we becoming an active LoCo again
[06:58] <Kilos> and if you are clever enough you can join pieter2627 and octoquad at tha bug squad
[06:59] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[07:03] <Kilos> oh SDCDev work for you now
[07:03] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[07:04] <Kilos> go add yourself
[07:04] <Kilos> pretty please
[07:05] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy you not added there yet either methinks
[07:05] <pieter2627> '..if you are clever enough...' - someone should have told me that i should be smart before joining :P
[07:05] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:06] <Kilos> to me you guys are all brilliant
[07:08] <pieter2627> thanks Kilos, you're quite good too at getting us to do everything
[07:10] <Kilos> well, i was given a sjambok and had to find a use for it
[07:10] <pieter2627> haha
[07:11] <Kilos> just need to keep whacking the pro so he greets in the morning
[07:11] <Kilos> some peeps is dikvellig jy weet
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> might want to choose a different word there o_O
[07:12] <Kilos> um
[07:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:13] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy give me a word please
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> prodding
[07:13] <Kilos> ok ty
[07:14] <Kilos> ya thats a good one
[07:14] * Kilos prods inetpro
[07:15] <Kilos> he is always busy
[07:15] <Kilos> even when sleeping
[07:16] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:20] <TinuvaMac> moring kil
[07:20] <TinuvaMac> Kilos*
[07:20] <Kilos> dont you use tab complete
[07:21] <Kilos> kil tab
[07:21] <TinuvaMac> did i press enter before i pressed tab
[07:21] <Kilos> lol
[07:21] <TinuvaMac> :P
[07:23] <Kilos> its become such habit here i often type morn and hit tab then gotta think first why its not complete
[07:41] * Padroni waves
[07:41] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[07:41] <Padroni> hi
[07:41] <Padroni> how are you?
[07:41] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:42] <Padroni> good ty
[07:42] <Kilos> hows the brewery going?
[07:42] <Padroni> haven't made a batch in a while
[07:43] <Padroni> need to get one going again
[07:43] <Padroni> gotta buy some ingredients first
[07:43] <Padroni> been so focussed on Python the last couple of days
[07:43] <Kilos> thats good news
[07:43] <Kilos> you like?
[07:43] <Padroni> yeah I like it
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> what sort of equipment costs are you looking at to get started?
[07:44] * inetpro steps in for a sec
[07:44] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[07:44] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[07:44] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, I fell asleep last night, I guess I will have to do some catching up again, but now now
[07:44] * inetpro wbbl
[07:44] <Padroni> to be honest
[07:44] <Padroni> the best way to get started is to buy a brewery kit
[07:45] <Kilos> np inetpro
[07:45] <Padroni> Mangrove Jack's or Coppertone
[07:45] <Padroni> goes for about R1000 - R1400 depending on where you buy
[07:45] <Kilos> wow
[07:45] <Padroni> you will be making 'canned' beer in the beginning but you need to go through that to learn the process
[07:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, and roughly how much does a batch cost you in raw material
[07:45] <Padroni> and also, the beer is actually good
[07:45] <Padroni> I buy my stuff at a health shop at our mall
[07:46] <Padroni> so probably more than usual
[07:46] <Padroni> but a can of premix and the sugars go for about R300 in total
[07:46] <Kilos> is beer healthy
[07:46] <Padroni> but
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i don't expect it to be cheaper than buying beer
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> doing things yourself rarely is
[07:46] <Padroni> you make 23L which gives you on average 65 330ml bottles
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its so lekker :)
[07:46] <Kilos> lol
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's actually pretty economical
[07:47] <Padroni> which does actually work out cheaper than buying the equivalent in SAB beer
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[07:47] <Padroni> I know, right?
[07:47] <Padroni> if you buy the kit, you get the first batch of beer mix with it
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> and your only other input is time, nothing electrical
[07:47] <Padroni> nothing
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice
[07:47] <Padroni> water, premix
[07:48] <Padroni> I will tell you this though, Graeme
[07:48] <Padroni> you get these little fermenting sugar pills in the kit
[07:48] <Padroni> throw that away
[07:48] <Padroni> it's crap
[07:48] <Padroni> and it makes the beer taste crap - I know coz I tested one or two bottles with that
[07:48] <Padroni> you get Fermentation Sugar for R20/pack which is enough for 23L batch
[07:48] <Padroni> mix that in 15 min before you bottle
[07:49] <Padroni> then you are good to go
[07:49] <Padroni> beer stands 7 days @ room temp, and 7 days in fridge
[07:49] <Padroni> then you can start to drink
[07:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's pretty cool
[07:49] <Padroni> I bought bottles from Consol. Cost me R72/case
[07:50] <Padroni> then I got clever
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> how long does it last once done? I assume you store it in the fridge? or is that not necessary?>
[07:50] <Kilos> depends on how fast you can drink i would think
[07:50] <Padroni> I buy returnable beer per case from the liquor store. Costs me R160/case but once they are empty, you got a case of bottles with it's own crate
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't drink an awful lot of beer, hence the question
[07:50] <Padroni> it's craft beer
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> much too carb-heavy to be going crazy
[07:50] <Padroni> it's not pasteurized
[07:51] <Padroni> so you gotta keep it in the fridge
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[07:51] <Padroni> I have a bar-fridge just for my beer
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> so another R1000 for a mini fridge
[07:51] <Padroni> well, yes
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, the wife will be unimpressed if I fill the fridge with beer that i hardly ever drink :D
[07:51] <Padroni> but your beer kit pays for itself in as little as 4 batches in terms of what you save buying the equivalent in beer
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> depends how long it lasts though, i don't drink all that much beer
[07:52] <Padroni> If you drink a lot of beer, it is well worth making your own
[07:52] <Padroni> well it gets better with time
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe I should look into distilling my own brandy instead
[07:52] <Padroni> not sure about brandy
[07:52] <Padroni> beer you can brew for own consumption without issues
[07:53] <Padroni> but with brandy you may need to get some type of liquor license
[07:53] <Padroni> just check
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Homemade-Brandy
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> way too much work, lol
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll stick to making my own biltong and getting the booze at tops :D
[07:54] <Padroni> I had a biltong maker
[07:54] <SDCDev> Kilos: I will fill in the membership at a later stage :> Can I use a fake name? :O the whole thing about the shadow project is privacy :P
[07:54] <SDCDev> http://aboutshadow.com
[07:54] <Padroni> Cats ripped it apart trying to get to the meat
[07:55] <SDCDev> lol
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish :-o
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> my biggest hassle is the kids keep asking 20 times a day if the biltong is ready yet
[07:56] <Padroni> haha
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> sadly not got a cat anymore
[07:56] <Padroni> been there
[07:57] <Kilos> SDCDev i suppose so
[07:58] <SDCDev> :O or I will use my other nick :)
[07:58] <SDCDev> nomster
[07:58] <Kilos> same as padroni
[07:58] <Padroni> eh - what now?
[07:59] <Kilos> can you use your name with nomster
[08:00] <Kilos> Padroni i think beer could be classed as healthy
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[08:00] <Kilos> it stops your tummy from shrinking
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> well there are so many sets of rules for what is "healthy" you can twist anything to be considered healthy
[08:01] <Kilos> lol
[08:01] <Padroni> indeed
[08:02] <Padroni> ThatGraemeGuy: check ur pvt
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks, i found it via the magic of google ;-)
[08:04] <Padroni> yw
[08:04] <Padroni> it's a nice hobby to get into
[08:25] <Kilos> hi drussell
[09:39] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[09:50] <nuvolari> anyone using S3Fox?
[09:50] <nuvolari> S3 Browser plugin
[09:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:51] <Kilos> good morning nuvolari
[10:53] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos :)
[10:53] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed oom?
[10:54] <Kilos> goed dankie en self seun
[11:08] <Kilos> wb pieter2627
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://i.imgur.com/lLo84rw.png
[11:54] <Kilos> hahaha what are you doing ThatGraemeGuy
[11:55] <Kilos> looks pretty though
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> discovered a glitch in the matrix
[11:55] <Kilos> ah
[11:55] <Kilos> glitches dont affect trees?
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> i suspect the tree spawned there because there happened to be a dirt block in that mess
[11:59] <Kilos> ah
[12:00] <Kilos> is there some trick in running a .jar file
[12:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> java -jar file.jar
[12:00] <Kilos> ty
[12:02] <Kilos> ai!
[12:02] <Kilos> Error: Unable to access jarfile JsigGen.jar
[12:02] <Kilos> i tried sudo as well
[12:03] <Kilos> maybe it doesnt work on 14.04 anymore
[12:04] <Kilos> this is what im trying to run
[12:04] <Kilos> http://www.arachnoid.com/JSigGen/index.html
[12:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> does the file actually exist?
[12:05] <Kilos> ya i have the package in downloads
[12:06] <Kilos> i took Here is the Java JAR archive, what to Java is an application file, compatible with most platforms. near the bottom
[12:07] <Kilos> had it running in 10.10 but thats a lifetime ago
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> works for me
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe your download didn't complete properly
[12:08] <Kilos> oh my
[12:08] <pieter2627> Kilos: output of 'ls -l JsigGen.jar'
[12:09] <Kilos> ls: cannot access JsigGen.jar: No such file or directory
[12:09] <Kilos> i wonder if its permissions or something
[12:10] <pieter2627> Are you in the downloads folder - output of pwd
[12:10] <Kilos> /home/miles
[12:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, either you're in the wrong dir or there's something wrong with that file
[12:11] <Kilos> must i cd to /downloads
[12:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> o_O
[12:11] * ThatGraemeGuy runs off
[12:11] <pieter2627> do a 'cd Downloads' first or 'java -jar Downloads/JSigGen.jar'
[12:12] <Kilos> bash: cd: Downloads first or java: No such file or directory
[12:12] <Kilos> haha
[12:12] <Kilos> wait
[12:12] <pieter2627> haha
[12:14] <pieter2627> Kilos: sorted?
[12:14] <Kilos> wait
[12:15] <Kilos> miles@P64:~/Downloads$ java -jar Downloads/JSigGen.jar
[12:15] <Kilos> Error: Unable to access jarfile Downloads/JSigGen.jar
[12:15] <Kilos> oh wait some more
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> Is that where the file is?
[12:15] <Kilos> ya
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> find . -name JSigGen.jar
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> find ~ -name JSigGen.jar
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry, second one
[12:16] <Kilos> find: `/home/miles/.cache/dconf': Permission denied
[12:16] <Kilos> /home/miles/Downloads/JSigGen.jar
[12:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> download it again, could just be incomplete
[12:16] <Kilos> ok
[12:17] <pieter2627> 'miles@P64:~/Downloads$' means you already cd(ed) to Downloads
[12:17] <Kilos> ya im there
[12:17] <pieter2627> so no need to have Downloads again with 'java -jar Downloads/JSigGen.jar'
[12:18] <pieter2627> just 'java -jar JSigGen.jar'
[12:18] <Kilos> i realised that after sorry
[12:18] <pieter2627> it's fine. so it's ok now
[12:18] <pieter2627> *?
[12:19] <Kilos> woooo its working ty
[12:19] <Kilos> new download
[12:19] <Kilos> now to find the frequency that affects miggies
[12:21] <Kilos> die goed freet my
[12:21] <Kilos> vreet ook
[12:22] <Kilos> hi spinza
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds like an april fool joke
[12:41] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:42] <Kilos> nono ThatGraemeGuy they really do bite me the pesky things
[12:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> can pc speakers even produce a sound of high enough frequency? my wharfedales only manage up to around 25kHz afaik
[12:43] <Kilos> so hopefully i can find the frequency that chases them
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> and those are slightly better than your average set of desktop noise boxes
[12:43] <Kilos> ive got it running at 15k now
[12:44] <Kilos> if you play with that sig gen you will see at some place peeps moan they getting headaches
[12:44] <Kilos> at onther place all dogs start howling
[12:44] <Kilos> another
[12:45] <Kilos> at 15khz i almost feel more than hear the low grumbling kinda sound
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> what speakers are you using for that?
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm skeptical that desktop speakers can even manage that
[12:49] <Kilos> genius with built in amp
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> you have the specific model?
[12:51] <Kilos> lemme look
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> when you say "miggies" you mean mosquitoes or some other bug?
[12:52] <Kilos> SP-G16
[12:52] <Kilos> midges
[12:52] <Kilos> and white fly
[12:52] <Kilos> they are tiny, come in through mosquito screens
[12:55] <Kilos> they live under leaves of veggies and eat all the chlorophyl out of the leaves and the plant doesnt bare any fruit
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> so it seems that the validity of ultrasonic sound in repelling bugs is a bit controversial
[12:56] <Kilos> leaves all go yellow bit by bit till plant dies
[12:56] <Kilos> im gonne try
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> but if it were to work, the idea is that these are very high frequencies
[12:56] <Kilos> nothing to lose
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> i.e. much higher than humans can hear
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> and we typically top out around 20kHz
[12:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> and not-so-conincidentally, that's where most speakers max out as well
[12:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you aren't able to get anywhere near the kind of frequencies needed, and that's if it even works at all
[12:57] <Kilos> thats why i wanted this sig gen you just use the mouse wheel to change frequency
[12:58] * ThatGraemeGuy sighs
[12:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok carry on
[12:58] <Kilos> lol
[12:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> not really sure why i bother anymore
[12:59] <Kilos> do the speakers max out because of speaker design or because we just cant hear anymore
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> does it matter? you're going to keep at it anyway :-)
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yes, they cannot physically manage more than that
[13:00] <Kilos> haha ya ill keep trying
[13:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> exactly
[13:00] <Kilos> well these things eat me so i have to find somehing
[13:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> well keep going because f$%k science and logic
[13:02] <Kilos> thats how breakthroughs are my, by peeps not accepting the obvious
[13:02] <Kilos> most finds are by accident
[13:02] <Kilos> s/my/made
[13:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, I'm sure you are about to accidentally discover that a pair of R300 speakers are actually capable of 5x higher frequencies than the people who designed and manufacured them thought physically possible
[13:04] <Kilos> no man
[13:05] <Kilos> i might even try sending out frequencies on an antenna
[13:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[13:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, so then you're going to accidentally discover that radio waves and sound waves are actually the same, despite what millions of hours of scientific evidence to the contrary says
[13:06] <Kilos> but play with it and there is some freq that you cant hear anymore and next thing the dogs start howling
[13:08] <Kilos> im not trying to discover anything, im trying to chase bugs
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup, good luck
[13:08] <Kilos> ty
[13:11] <pieter2627> Kilos: rather than sound, you might wanna go for smell. try researching if any essential oils might affect them
[13:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> smoke them out
[13:13] <Kilos> i wanted to smoke them out and sis said it would stain ceiling and walls
[13:14] <Kilos> ill google if any of the oils help pieter2627 i know citronella doesnt work
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> sleep with a fan running
[13:16] <Kilos> ya i do that ThatGraemeGuy its all that blows them away but starting to get cold now
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> sleep with a fan header running
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh, 'heater' :-/
[13:17] <Kilos> no heaters here , electricity too expensive
[13:23] <pieter2627> the most important will be to kill the larva somehow so that you don't have a problem again in a few days/weeks
[13:23] <Kilos> they breed all over in damp grass and under any leaves they can find the swine things
[13:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> catch them, fry them up in some butter, garlic and bacon
[13:24] <Kilos> would have to kill them in the whole tvl to have some peace
[13:24] <Kilos> lol
[13:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> only grass an leaves? then just burn down everything and turn it into a desert, easy
[13:24] <pieter2627> oh
[13:25] <Kilos> nono we need some green showing
[13:25] <Kilos> hi smile
[13:25] <Kilos> too much dust without grass
[13:25] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[13:36] <Kilos> whats news smile
[13:37] <smile> Kilos: kill la kill is almost fully watched :p
[13:37] <smile> that's 25 episodes of anime
[13:38] <Kilos> lol
[13:39] <Kilos> whats the link for it smile
[13:39] <Kilos> tara does anime drawings maybe she will enjoy it too
[13:40] <smile> I hope she will :)
[14:12] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy cant you hear the whistle at 50 khz
[14:13] <Kilos> i was running at 15 hz before
[14:13] <Kilos> not 15 khz
[14:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> speakers can't produce a soundwave at 50kHz, nor can humans hear it
[14:14] <Kilos> oh my
[14:14] <Kilos> so whats the high pitched whistle i hear
[14:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> something less than 50kHz? :)
[14:15] <Kilos> maybe im not human
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's plausible
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[14:15] <Kilos> ah maybe its not accurate
[14:46] <Kilos> hmm... me not human
[15:04] <Mopkop> Hello...
[15:30] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[16:36] <Guest19608> hi :p
[16:37] <Kilos> haha
[16:37] <Kilos> hi zeratul
[16:38] <zeratul> hi
[16:38] <Kilos> smile you playing again?
[16:39] <zeratul> anybody have experience setting up Afrihost static ip with xl2tpd ?
[16:40] <smile> Kilos: playing what? :p
[16:40] <smile> with joining and leaving?
[16:40] <Kilos> with guest and you
[16:40] <Kilos> ya that
[16:41] <Kilos> zeratul youll have to be patient, guys most likely just getting home
[16:46] <Kilos> zeratul did you look at this http://wiki.openwrt.org/inbox/openswanxl2tpvpn
[16:47] <smile> Kilos: yeah sorry I need to setup sasl :p
[16:48] <Kilos> np
[16:54] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:03] <Kilos> hi rohanza welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:07] <rohanza> Hi Kilos, nick was taken - was me (zeratul) asking about xl2tpd with afrihost
[17:08] <Kilos> ah cool, just hang here rohanza someone will help you or make some suggestions
[17:09] <rohanza> thanks :)
[17:09] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself in the meantime
[17:10] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[17:10] <Kilos> wbb
[17:26] <Kilos> aw i thought id come back and read your life history
[17:26] <Kilos> lol i meant what OS are you using and in what area are you rohanza
[17:27] <Kilos> and you better register this nick if you want to keep it
[17:27] <rohanza> yeah haha thought so
[17:28] <Kilos> do you know irc?
[17:29] <rohanza> Im in Cape Town, use Ubuntu as my OS, I do web dev (mostly python)
[17:29] <Kilos> ah one of the clever guy
[17:29] <rohanza> Do not use IRC much, but still had this account setup in Pidgin
[17:29] <Kilos> well you welcome to hangout here with us we have all kinds of guys here
[17:30] <Kilos> you can register with /msg nickserv register nick i think
[17:32] <rohanza> thanks
[17:32] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[17:33] <Kilos> another python man
[17:36] <pieter2627> To register a nick use `/msg Nickserv Register <password> <email>` - according to nickserv help
[17:37] <Kilos> ah ty pieter2627
[17:47] <Mopkop> Hello rohanza! Pleased to meet you!
[17:48] <rohanza> Hey Mopkop
[17:52] <Mopkop> Whete can I get a bunch of Ubuntu CD's?
[17:52] <Mopkop> Or DVD's rather.
[17:52] <Kilos> they dont come in bunches
[17:52] <Kilos> you mean for new releases?
[17:53] <Kilos> we only get lts dvds officially now not every release anymopre
[17:53] <Kilos> anymore
[17:53] <Mopkop> Nono, if I want to have this Ubuntu-hour thing, or spread it to bunch of people.
[17:53] <Mopkop> Been
[17:54] <Kilos> oh then you download the iso and burn them yourself
[17:54] <Mopkop> *Been evangelizing Ubuntu today, people have too many concerns, they are afraid of change.
[17:54] <Kilos> yip totally brainwashed
[17:55] <Mopkop> But I have a target group I know will be easy to convert :)
[17:55] <Kilos> it works if you have physical contact with them regularly
[17:55] <Kilos> or get them to come here for help
[17:56] <Kilos> support is important in the beginning stages
[17:56] <Kilos> but ubuntu has god pretty good now so not often much help needed
[17:57] <Kilos> got
[17:58] <Kilos> you want to have an install party?
[17:58] <Mopkop> I'm beginning to understand why people wont convert. Once I know why, I can set up a strategy for converting them. We learn this in Missiology. For example this one oom who I build an Access database for, thinks Ubuntu is only for super smart people. He was surprised to learn it is actually easier than Windows.
[17:58] <Mopkop> Yes, I want that install party thing :)
[17:58] <Mopkop> I also though about a LAN party dedicated to Ubuntu gaming :)
[17:59] <Kilos> then get a few dvds burned and a couple of flash drives to install from
[17:59] <Kilos> gaming is another story
[17:59] <Mopkop> Ugh, How do printers know when you are really desparate. Like printers just know the right time to run out of ink :(
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <Mopkop> Yes I know, It's easier to convert small businesses than gamers, but I have an idea :))
[18:02] <Mopkop> Retro gaming...
[18:02] <Kilos> get together with mazalhe is a gamer
[18:02] <Mopkop> We should do that.
[18:03] <Mopkop> Or maybe we can have a LAN using tux kart :-D
[18:03] <Mopkop> Or minetest.
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> ya minetest is very addictive
[18:04] <Mopkop> But for now I know of a target group which will be easy to convert.
[18:04] <superfly> Steam
[18:04] <Mopkop> The technologically impaired, ironically enough.
[18:05] <Mopkop> I don't think steam allows LANing, does it?
[18:05] <pieter2627> I think some steam games do
[18:06] <Mopkop> Really? That will be nice!
[18:08] <Mopkop> At Church I always help the old people with their PC's and many of them still have XP. They don't know how to do anything besides sending email and skyping with their grand children, so converting to Ubuntu wouldn't be too much of a change. And I find Ubuntu is much easier for new users to learn.
[18:09] <Kilos> i had xp before and sukkeled my gaai af to get going on buntu
[18:09] <Kilos> but that was 8.10
[18:10] <Mopkop> And it gives new life to old PC's :)
[18:10] * pieter2627 Embarrassed to say this, but our church have XP
[18:10] <Mopkop> Yes Unity is much better for new users.
[18:10] <Mopkop> pieter2627: We have Vista, so you have nothing to feel bad about :)
[18:10] * pieter2627 even used XP last year for school work
[18:11] <pieter2627> Mopkop: haha, yes that sounds worse
[18:12] <Kilos> ive never see vista
[18:12] <Kilos> wb rohanza
[18:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:12] <magespawn> good evening
[18:13] <Kilos> magespawn anybody have experience setting up Afrihost static ip with xl2tpd ?
[18:13] <Mopkop> hello magespawn!
[18:13] <rohanza> eish my internet is flaky
[18:13] <Kilos> rohanza needs some help
[18:14] <Kilos> i dunno that xl2tpd thing
[18:14] <Kilos> greeter bots dont go so deep
[18:15] <rohanza> someone called DeonP seems to have figured it out... I came across this log: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/12/%23ubuntu-za.txt
[18:16] <Kilos> wow he hasnt been here for a long time
[18:18] <rohanza> I was on the fone with afrihost support last week, my boss bought their recommended modem (only 1 model) and it still does not work... dont believe their static IP claim... this is so much more effort than Mweb business account
[18:19] <Kilos> i think ThatGraemeGuy uses afrihost
[18:19] <rohanza> and we cant get fiber at our office... yet.
[18:19] <Kilos> they the okes that go with mtn as well
[18:19] <magespawn> what is the problem?
[18:20] <magespawn> the static ip or the internet connection or both?
[18:21] <magespawn> as a company we do too, use afrihost that is
[18:21] <rohanza> the static IP is the problem
[18:22] <rohanza> magespawn: do you use static ip with afrihost?
[18:22] <Mopkop> I have Afrihost, but don't get a static IP.
[18:22] <Kilos> oh my i didnt even see qw guy
[18:22] <magespawn> no never needed a static ip, i just use a dns redirect
[18:22] <Mopkop> Oops, He came in from the site...
[18:23] <Kilos> ya
[18:23] <Kilos> rohanza have you seen our new site
[18:23] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org/
[18:23] <Kilos> you in web design what do you think
[18:24] <Kilos> or web dev
[18:24] <Kilos> hi qwebirc60707
[18:24] <Mopkop> Yes, we use Python too, but only to generate the static site.
[18:24] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:25] <magespawn> like no-ip that way i never rely on someone elses service
[18:25] <rohanza> magespawn: yeah I am also using dyndns at the moment, but we had a static ip with mweb, and my boss wanted it on afrihost too
[18:26] <rohanza> ... really not worth the trouble
[18:26] <qwebirc60707> Hi new here,can anyone tell me if linux-pre-installed laptops are available in south africa,
[18:26] <rohanza> also... found this out today.. [myafrihostusername].afrihost.co.za works for dyndns too
[18:27] <magespawn> rohanza: they would have to look at it
[18:27] <pieter2627> rohanza: so when the connection is established you want it to be assigned an IP given to you?
[18:27] <Mopkop> Hi qwebirc60707, I believe it is. Let me check...
[18:27] <pieter2627> qwebirc60707: ProLine has some
[18:28] <rohanza> Kilos: cool site, me not into frontend though
[18:28] <Kilos> our main python man did that and some helpers did some content
[18:29] <rohanza> pieter2627: yes, ideally the ip should stay the same
[18:29] <pieter2627> rohanza: desktop or server?
[18:29] <Mopkop> Me still not very good with Python. Learned to use CSS with GTK today, so that's a start :)
[18:30] <qwebirc60707> Thanks for that, proline where"" i'me in natal, sorry,will search ie look up site
[18:30] <rohanza> pieter2627: we use it for 2 things: some clients want us to give them a static ip for eg firewall whitelisting
[18:31] <Mopkop> qwebirc60707: Look at this.... http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop?c=us&l=en&s=biz
[18:32] <Mopkop> I think it is available in SA too...
[18:32] * pieter2627 forgot about the DELL
[18:32] <superfly> rohanza: where are your offices?
[18:33] <rohanza> pieter2627: and sometimes we want to expose a dev server from the office... this we can solve with dyndns too
[18:33] <rohanza> Cape Town, (Bellville)
[18:33] <superfly> rohanza: our offices are in town
[18:34] <superfly> we've applied for and are waiting for Fibre :-)
[18:34] <rohanza> I dont recommend Proline... I bought one that had a dodgy keyboard from the start, it also has a dodgy bios that does not support VTx
[18:35] <magespawn> amazing i cant even get adsl some of my locations
[18:35] <rohanza> superfly: I am green with envy... dsl is pretty bad here
[18:36] <magespawn> rohanza: now i have had nothing but good experience with them
[18:36] <superfly> rohanza: we're just down the road from RSAWeb's data centre, they kinda approached us
[18:36] <superfly> rohanza: what company do you work for, if I may ask?
[18:36] <magespawn> superfly: nice one
[18:37] <rohanza> http://byteorbit.com/
[18:40] <superfly> ah yes, I've heard of you guys
[18:41] <rohanza> superfly: what company are you with?
[18:41] <superfly> rohanza: Nomanini -> http://nomanini.com
[18:41] * superfly disclaims the website, he had nothing to do with it
[18:43] <Mopkop> You CT people have more IT stuff than us :(
[18:44] <inetpro> good evening
[18:44] <pieter2627> yea they seem to
[18:44] <rohanza> superfly: yeah that name sounds familiar too
[18:44] <Mopkop> Hello inetpro!
[18:44] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:45] <inetpro> superfly: did you see Mopkop's merge proposal?
[18:45] <superfly> inetpro: in passing, will have a look at it just now
[18:45] <pieter2627> evening inetpro
[18:45] <inetpro> superfly: ty
[18:46] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:46] * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:46] <Kilos> ya good idea
[18:46] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[18:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[18:46] <pieter2627> the merge proposal of Mopkop is quite beautiful imo
[18:46] <Kilos> Mopkop pieter2627 you gotta drink maaz coffee to get in the swing
[18:47] <rohanza> where are you other people located?
[18:47] <Mopkop> Thank you pieter2627!
[18:47] * inetpro also just tested and likes it
[18:47] <Mopkop> Ok...
[18:47] <Kilos> pretoria
[18:47] <pieter2627> prt
[18:47] <Mopkop> maaz Coffee please!
[18:47] <Maaz> Mopkop: Okay
[18:47] <Mopkop> rohanza: Pretoria.
[18:47] <pieter2627> Kilos: i've never talked to maaz :P
[18:47] <Kilos> just say maaz coffee please
[18:48] <pieter2627> does he offer water too
[18:48] <pieter2627> *?
[18:48] <Kilos> man cyber coffee is good for you
[18:48] <Mopkop> Maaz water please
[18:48] <Maaz> Mopkop: Excuse me?
[18:48] <smile> good night! :)
[18:48] <pieter2627> haha
[18:48] <Kilos> night smile be good
[18:49] <Mopkop> Night smile!
[18:49] <pieter2627> Maaz Coffee please
[18:49] <Maaz> pieter2627: Alrighty
[18:49] <smile> thanks :)
[18:49] <pieter2627> night smile
[18:49] <smile> thank you :D
[18:49] <Mopkop> Thinking of switching ISP's any suggestions?
[18:50] <Kilos> Maaz water please
[18:50] <Maaz> Oh My that you can get out of a tap or in the fridge Kilos
[18:50] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro, Kilos, Mopkop and pieter2627!
[18:50] <Kilos> Maaz dankie man
[18:50] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[18:50] <Mopkop> Thank you Maaz!
[18:50] <Mopkop> Hmmm...
[18:50] <Kilos> you gotta maaz first
[18:50] <inetpro> only one thing I noticed that superfly will have to decide on
[18:50] <inetpro> actually 2
[18:50] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[18:50] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[18:51] <inetpro> in conf.py we have the 'Get Started' linking to /getting-started.html
[18:51] <Mopkop> Thank you Maaz
[18:51] <inetpro> why not make that short as well, in other words /get-started.html?
[18:51] <Kilos> ai!
[18:51] <pieter2627> maaz thanks
[18:51] <Maaz> pieter2627: No problem
[18:51] <Mopkop> Maaz thank you.
[18:51] <Maaz> Mopkop: No problem
[18:51] <inetpro> same for /getting-involved.html
[18:51] <Kilos> yay
[18:51] <Mopkop> inetpro: hmmm, I thought I did do that.
[18:51] <Kilos> werk gou Mopkop
[18:52] <inetpro> Mopkop: if you are quick you can fix it and re-propose
[18:52] <Mopkop> Kilos: I would d that but the internet is frozen again. It's Afrihost, I'm sure.
[18:52] <pieter2627> Mopkop: I'm with WAN4U - good service and everything only a bit expensive
[18:52] <Kilos> eish
[18:53] <Mopkop> I jsut do not get it. Some sites are very fast (like Bing), but other's are frozen.
[18:53] <superfly> inetpro: then you need to change the page name
[18:53] <inetpro> superfly: true
[18:53] <superfly> inetpro: not saying you can't, just reminding you that you'll need to
[18:54] <inetpro> superfly: but you agree the consistency would be best?
[18:54] <superfly> inetpro: yep
[18:55] <inetpro> Mopkop: there you have it
[18:56] <Mopkop> superfly: Yes Yes, I know that. And the title. Though I think 'get-started.html' is not a very good practice for SEO. Usually if you want to SEO a site, you make the page titles and names the same as what ever people like to type into Google.
[18:56] <Mopkop> That was for the ZA site, right?
[18:56] <inetpro> yep
[18:56] <superfly> Mopkop: SEO doesn't look at urls anymore
[18:56] <superfly> hasn't for a long time
[18:57] <Mopkop> superfly: O, I'm behind time then :(
[18:57] <Kilos> ya getting old
[18:57] <Kilos> hehe
[18:59] <superfly> make your urls for your users, make your website for your users, SEO will follow
[19:00] <superfly> (there are a few other tips and tricks, but good content is the biggest contributor to good SEO)
[19:00] * pieter2627 learned something new
[19:00] * Mopkop too
[19:06] <Mopkop> Ok, Merge is proposed :)
[19:06] <Kilos> rohanza why did you take so long to find us
[19:07] <Symmetria> heh so I finally pushed through a policy about linux inside our organisation
[19:07] <Kilos> good work Symmetria
[19:07] <Mopkop> Symmetria: That's good to hear!
[19:07] <Symmetria> ubuntu LTS releases are the only version of linux to be installed, other than for very specific commercial packages that require deadrat
[19:07] <pieter2627> I've also re-did my local from trunk (without the added pages so that they don't overwrite Mopkop's)
[19:07] <Mopkop> Oh wait....
[19:07] <Symmetria> I had to standardize because everyone wanted a different version for their apps
[19:08] <Symmetria> so I said screw it, and standardized
[19:08] <Kilos> good
[19:08] <Symmetria> which made some people grumpy ;p
[19:08] <Kilos> tough in africa
[19:08] <Symmetria> heh kilos I pushed that through from London all the way down ;p
[19:09] <Kilos> nice work keep it up
[19:09] <Symmetria> and I finally got an IPAM system at last!
[19:09] <Mopkop> Wait, should I merge again? It says I can't because it is already proposed.
[19:09] <rohanza> Kilos: dont know... not used irc in years
[19:09] <Symmetria> lol, and discovered in getting that system that certain linux based systems cost more money than god himself
[19:10] <inetpro> Mopkop: top right hand
[19:10] <Kilos> well rohanza i hope this channel is now in your favourites
[19:10] <inetpro> Mopkop: resubmit proposal
[19:12] <Mopkop> inetpro: That worked :)
[19:12] <Kilos> good thinking adding the link to here on the site superfly
[19:12] <Kilos> one ubuntu lappy gonna be bought
[19:12] <rohanza> Kilos: yep... I will keep it. You seem like nice people :)
[19:12] <Kilos> lol we are a happy fmily
[19:13] <Kilos> family
[19:13] <Kilos> just dont get a shock when you see chats about farming or health or mechanics
[19:14] <rohanza> Symmetria: lol "deadrat" - I had the unpleasant experience of deployment on Centos last week... so much pain
[19:14] <inetpro> superfly: can I go for it and merge?
[19:14] <Kilos> we have a flexible topic
[19:14] <superfly> inetpro: I'm looking, hold on please
[19:14] <inetpro> ok
[19:14] <Kilos> inetpro patience
[19:14] <inetpro> ai!
[19:15] <Kilos> you told me that 100 times or more
[19:15] <Kilos> one step at a time
[19:15] * inetpro has no patience
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:15] <Kilos> fly busy man
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: when he is done with this one he still has more work
[19:17] <inetpro> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa-devs/ubuntu-africa/trunk/+activereviews
[19:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:17] <Kilos> ai! my poor fly
[19:18] <Kilos> you the one giving him migraines
[19:18] <inetpro> sorry oom
[19:18] <superfly> inetpro: your turn: https://code.launchpad.net/~prysdieheer/ubuntu-africa/starting-pages/+merge/255571
[19:18] <Kilos> you happy superfly ?
[19:19] <inetpro> superfly: I also need to approve?
[19:19] <superfly> inetpro: yes
[19:19] <superfly> inetpro: then you can merge it too :-P
[19:19] * superfly makes inetpro do some work for once
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <Mopkop> Haha...
[19:19] <Kilos> well donr Mopkop
[19:20] <inetpro> ai! :[
[19:20] <Kilos> done as well
[19:20] <Mopkop> Yay! I was sure something was going to break again.
[19:20] <superfly> inetpro: why does your branch have Mopkop's changes?
[19:20] <inetpro> hang on superfly, that was ubuntu-africa?
[19:21] <Kilos> if the fly is happy you did good lad
[19:21] <superfly> yes
[19:21] <inetpro> ok
[19:22] <inetpro> Mopkop: it's your lucky day
[19:22] <Mopkop> What good editor, except for vim, can I use for reStructuredText? It seems that only vim give rst pretty colours.
[19:22] <Mopkop> inetpro: :)
[19:24] <Kilos> just remember the link to the mailing list is still coming. they dont seem in a hurry
[19:25] <Mopkop> Kilos: Yes, as soon as We get all that, we can make a better site :)
[19:25] <Kilos> that can be added at anytime though i think
[19:25] <Kilos> nono been too long on this one already
[19:26] <Kilos> next site the pro must do so fly can rest
[19:26] <Kilos> and you two as well of course
[19:26] <Kilos> oh pieter2627 whats happening about paper cuts
[19:26] <Kilos> octoquad gone silent again
[19:27] <superfly> Mopkop: you need to do some more fixing, mate: https://code.launchpad.net/~prysdieheer/ubuntu-za/menu-revisions2/+merge/255751
[19:27] <superfly> Mopkop: Kate
[19:27] <superfly> (editor)
[19:27] <pieter2627> I found something to fix, but have to figure out how deb/package work as it is missing a desktop file?
[19:27] <Mopkop> superfly: was waithing for that...
[19:27] <superfly> pieter2627: ?
[19:28] <inetpro> ok, Mopkop's ubuntu-africa job is merged please do bzr update of trunk on your side
[19:28] <superfly> Mopkop: I'm pendantic, it's what makes my sites so good ;-)
[19:28] <pieter2627> yese superfly
[19:28] <inetpro> pieter2627: ^^
[19:28] <pieter2627> just `bzr update` while on trunk?
[19:28] <Mopkop> Ugh I'm outdated, still stuck in XHTML...
[19:29] <superfly> pieter2627: as long as you did `bzr co` initially, yes
[19:29] <superfly> pieter2627: otherwise you may need to do `bzr pull`
[19:30] <pieter2627> bzr update worked - now at rev 4
[19:31] <pieter2627> superfly: then `bzr merge ../trunk` while in my branch
[19:31] <pieter2627> *?
[19:32] <inetpro> superfly: you want me to merge from trunk to build-instructions as well, or wait for pieter2627?
[19:32] <superfly> pieter2627: yep
[19:33] <superfly> inetpro: yes
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:33] <inetpro> sorry, two questions in one, do I wait as well?
[19:34] * inetpro waits
[19:34] <superfly> inetpro: merge from trunk
[19:34] <inetpro> ok
[19:35] <Mopkop> If I remove the paragraph, how should I align the text in the centre then? Should I do it in the css?
[19:35] <pieter2627> my `bzr status` list the new files with `pending merge tips`, is this right?
[19:36] <magespawn> brb just moving to laptop
[19:36] <octoquad> Hehe Kilos I'm here, busy working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syncevolution/+bug/1406200
[19:36] <octoquad> evening all
[19:36] <Kilos> cool beans octoquad
[19:36] <Mopkop> Hello octoquad!
[19:37] <pieter2627> evening octoquad
[19:37] <octoquad> Hey Mopkop pieter2627 superfly inetpro et al. :)
[19:37] <pieter2627> Mopkop: class `text-center` might work - didn't check the code
[19:37] <octoquad> btw, I'm keen to do your Trello script
[19:37] <octoquad> will do it in PHP
[19:37] <Kilos> you guys can use my channel if you want to work together octoquad pieter2627
[19:38] <octoquad> just kidding
[19:38] <octoquad> in Python :)
[19:38] <Kilos> ##kilos
[19:38] <Kilos> octoquad you can guide pieter2627 hes new to bug fixing
[19:39] <octoquad> pieter2627, what you trying to fix?
[19:40] <pieter2627> octoquad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/607568
[19:40] <Mopkop> Well I did .footer p{text-align: center;}, hope it works...
[19:40] <pieter2627> octoquad: already have a local copy of it and know how to create desktop file
[19:41] <superfly> sup octoquad
[19:41] <superfly> Mopkop: don't align it center
[19:41] <Mopkop> margin: 0 auto; then?
[19:42] <superfly> Mopkop: no, leave it to the side. why must it be centre?
[19:42] <Mopkop> I like it in the middle.
[19:42] <pieter2627> just need to figure out how things are packaged to know where to add it
[19:42] <inetpro> superfly: what do you mean with "Please wait for trunk to catch up and then merge from trunk."?
[19:42] <inetpro> was that before I merged?
[19:42] <superfly> inetpro: merge from trunk
[19:43] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[19:43] <Mopkop> superfly: can I please put it in the middle?
[19:44] <octoquad> pieter2627, how did you get the package? dget?
[19:45] <pieter2627> octoquad: from launchpad/bzr - https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xbubble
[19:46] <octoquad> pieter2627, I've only used dget so far, but i'm sure the build process is the same. So have you added the patch to debian/patches?
[19:47] <octoquad> pieter2627, for your approach this will help: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[19:48] <pieter2627> octoquad: No, i haven't added any thing yet - trying to figure out first
[19:48] <inetpro> superfly: I submitted a clean proposal
[19:48] <inetpro> https://code.launchpad.net/~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/build-instructions/+merge/255756
[19:48] <pieter2627> octoquad: that is what i'm following
[19:49] <Mopkop> Ok, submitted. I still like it more in the middle...
[19:49] <octoquad> pieter2627, I see, where are you stuck?
[19:50] <octoquad> Perhaps a #ubuntu-za-devel channel for dev related chats?
[19:51] <inetpro> sorry octoquad
[19:51] <octoquad> why you sorry?
[19:51] <inetpro> all the spam :-)
[19:51] <pieter2627> octoquad: in the middle of 4.4
[19:51] <octoquad> no no, I was talking about pieter2627 and myself for ubuntu bug fixes
[19:51] <octoquad> :)
[19:52] <inetpro> octoquad: oh no, here is fine
[19:52] <octoquad> ok, didn't want to spam as well hehe
[19:53] <inetpro> if it gets too much we can make plans
[19:53] <inetpro> for now I think it will be good for others to see and get involved
[19:53] <octoquad> awesome
[19:54] <octoquad> pieter2627, do this first if you haven't then go back to 4.4: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/udd-getting-the-source.html#branching
[19:55] <octoquad> pieter2627, actually, let's do it the debdiff way, since I'm more familiar with that and most developers prefer debdiffs
[19:56] <pieter2627> octoquad: ok
[19:57] <octoquad> pieter2627, Install sbuild-launchpad-chroot
[19:57] <octoquad> pieter2627, and make notes as we go along :)
[19:58] <octoquad> pieter2627, sudo apt-get install -y sbuild-launchpad-chroot cdbs dh-autoreconf
[19:58] <octoquad> why so quiet now?
[19:58] <octoquad> lol
[19:58] <Kilos> we watching man
[19:59] <octoquad> I thought so!
[19:59] <Kilos> lol
[19:59] <pieter2627> mjU78(0P;.<
[19:59] <octoquad> pieter2627, is that a password?
[19:59] <pieter2627> octoquad: yea - wrong window had focus
[19:59] <octoquad> pieter2627, hehe
[19:59] * pieter2627 slapping his forehead
[20:00] <octoquad> pieter2627, don't worry we don't know the site or the username just yet
[20:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:01] <inetpro> superfly: do we approve Mopkop's changes as is?
[20:01] <inetpro> ubuntu-za/menu-revisions2
[20:01] <pieter2627> octoquad: installed
[20:02] <magespawn> octoquad: if i may ask, what are you doing?
[20:02] <octoquad> pieter2627, ok run id and see if you have sbuild in the list
[20:02] <Kilos> gug fixing magespawn
[20:02] <Kilos> bug too
[20:02] <octoquad> magespawn, hacking the planet
[20:03] <pieter2627> octoquad: nope
[20:04] <octoquad> pieter2627, ok, run sudo usermod -aG sbuild `whoami` <- this adds you to the sbuild group so you can create chrooted (virtual environments) when building. You will need to log out and back in for the change to take affect.
[20:04] <magespawn> perhaps a little more info, not really understanding
[20:04] <Kilos> they have joined the bugsquad
[20:05] <octoquad> magespawn, I'm helping pieter2627 fix a bug in a package
[20:05] <Kilos> ubuntu-bugs
[20:05] <magespawn> i see, for ubuntu?
[20:05] <magespawn> ahh right then
[20:05] <octoquad> magespawn, yes. Applies to flavours as well. I help out in Ubuntu Gnome
[20:06] <magespawn> cool beans
[20:06] <octoquad> good start for anybody is bug triaging
[20:06] <octoquad> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1441744 for an example
[20:08] <inetpro> magespawn: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[20:10] <magespawn> i have heard/read about this before, just never seen people helping/doing it before
[20:11] <Kilos> wb pieter2627
[20:11] <octoquad> pew pew
[20:11] <pieter2627> Ooi oi
[20:11] <octoquad> pieter2627, all good?
[20:12] <pieter2627> octoquad: yes, i'm now part of the sbuild group
[20:13] <octoquad> awesome,
[20:13] <magespawn> which bug/
[20:13] <magespawn> ?
[20:13] <Kilos> lotsa paper cuts
[20:13] <octoquad> pieter2627, btw you might want to assign yourself to the bug and set the status to in progress
[20:13] <Kilos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/607568
[20:14] <pieter2627> octoquad: good point... done
[20:15] <octoquad> pieter2627, ooh ooh on the xbubble (Ubuntu) one as well
[20:16] <pieter2627> octoquad: since the fix will target ubuntu?
[20:16] <pieter2627> octoquad: also done
[20:16] <octoquad> pieter2627, a sponsor might help you get the fix pushed upstream to debian
[20:16] <octoquad> so you can leave the debian one
[20:17] <octoquad> although you can't change it any way
[20:17] <octoquad> pieter2627, easy part done, onto patching
[20:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:18] <Kilos> Mopkop stay away from bugs for now
[20:18] * pieter2627 rofl
[20:19] <Kilos> im losing my team
[20:19] <inetpro> Kilos: he will be assimilated?
[20:19] <octoquad> pieter2627, what version are you trying to fix it for? utopic, precise, vivid?
[20:20] <magespawn> right into the collective
[20:20] <Kilos> ya but not yet inetpro
[20:20] <pieter2627> octoquad: isn't it possible to fix for all version - it is missing in all?
[20:21] <pieter2627> octoquad: or should it be done one at a time?
[20:21] <octoquad> pieter2627, well normally it's done per version. I would target vivid, then someone can backport it to other releases.
[20:22] <octoquad> pieter2627, that is normally handled by a sponsor (Ubuntu Developer)
[20:22] <pieter2627> octoquad: ok, so fixing for vivid
[20:23] <octoquad> pieter2627, this package doesn't have a dsc file. So this route isn't going to work, bzr seems like the only option for this package. Sorry about that should have checked first.
[20:23] <octoquad> #fail
[20:23] <pieter2627> octoquad: haha, ok
[20:27] <octoquad> pieter2627, it is pretty late, do you want to pick this up over tomorrow / over the weekend / next week? I'm keen to learn how to do it the bzr way as well, so we can do it together, but you can submit the fix when done :)
[20:27] <pieter2627> octoquad: tomorrow is great
[20:28] <octoquad> alrighty
[20:28] <magespawn> i would like to sit in if that is okay/
[20:28] <magespawn> ?
[20:28] <Kilos> you came back just in time octoquad
[20:28] <octoquad> sure magespawn
[20:28] * pieter2627 thinks we just disappointed a crowd
[20:28] * octoquad thinks so too
[20:28] <Kilos> poor pieter2627 was gonna do it on his own
[20:29] <magespawn> any particular time?
[20:29] <superfly> octoquad: a lot of Ubuntu Developers are also Debian Developers
[20:29] <magespawn> always good to learn by example
[20:29] <superfly> octoquad: so they might push the fix upstream
[20:29] <octoquad> just so you know, I'm no pro at this, I started 2 months ago, and the docs are quite out-dated according to darkxst from Ubuntu Gnome (Lead Developer)
[20:30] <octoquad> I can understand why it can be so difficult to contribute. Patience, time, perseverance and the desire to learn will get it done.
[20:30] * pieter2627 also discovered thru this over the last two days
[20:31] <magespawn> and so it begins to spread...
[20:31] <octoquad> superfly, that's the assumption, I've never seen it happen. In pieter2627 case, it might make sense to fix it upstream, so it trickles downstream to Ubuntu.
[20:31] <superfly> octoquad: yeah, in general they prefer to work the other way
[20:32] * superfly has a package in Debian and Ubuntu
[20:32] <octoquad> superfly, makes total since, but sometimes, there are patches and fixes that don't make sense upstream and it gets pulled in upstream, ubuntu patches get applied, package gets built specifically for ubuntu (ever noticed ~ubuntu0 at the end of the package?)
[20:32] <octoquad> s/since/sense
[20:33] <superfly> octoquad: yep, I know the deal
[20:33] <octoquad> superfly, :) for the interested folks
[20:34] * pieter2627 learned another new thing for the day
[20:34] <octoquad> magespawn, can be random time
[20:35] <Kilos> magespawn do you watch your emails
[20:35] <Kilos> i can mail you when they start
[20:35] <Kilos> or the hangouts thing
[20:36] <Kilos> 'you get that on your fone?
[20:36] <octoquad> I'm curious to know, do we (ubuntu-za) not have package and bug fix contributors?
[20:36] <magespawn> cool beans, either way, yes i do
[20:36] <octoquad> packaging rather
[20:36] <magespawn> i will check in from time to time as well
[20:37] <magespawn> maybe sign in first thing and just leave the pc connected
[20:37] <Kilos> ill use the google thing
[20:39] <pieter2627> night all, and sweet dreams
[20:39] <Kilos> night pieter2627
[20:39] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:40] <inetpro> superfly: can you still look at that merge this evening?
[20:41] <octoquad> I'm also calling it night. Chat tomorrow all.
[20:42] <Kilos> night octoquad
[20:42] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:42] <inetpro> good night octoquad
[20:43] <Kilos> ons span groei ne inetpro
[20:43] <magespawn> good night octoquad
[20:43] <inetpro> Kilos: your fault
[20:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:43] <Kilos> who nagged me
[20:44] <Kilos> i think its good
[20:44] <Kilos> 2 in the bug squad
[20:44] <magespawn> i am also off to bed, good night all
[20:44] <Kilos> night magespawn
[20:44] <Kilos> sleep tight too
[20:44] <Kilos> we down to 12°c tonight
[20:47] <Kilos> inetpro jy en vlieg moet ook gaan slaap
[20:48] <inetpro> yep, jy's reg
[20:48] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:48] <Kilos> night inetpro sleep tight
[20:51] <superfly> inetpro: I need to get some shut-eye
[20:51] <superfly> I'll look again tomorrow
[20:51] <Kilos> slepp tight superfly
[20:51] <Kilos> sleep too
[20:52] <Kilos> ty for all the work
[20:52] <Mopkop> OK, nag almal!
[20:53] <Kilos> nag Mopkop lekker slaap dankie
[20:53] <Mopkop> Skuus, van maandag ag is ek op bloktyd, so ek het nie weggeraak nie, sal net besig wees met studies tot na die eksamen :)
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2015-04-09-#kubuntu-devel | [00:23] <valorie> soee: super
[01:58] <ahoneybun> is here
[02:29] <valorie> doodle done
[03:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like someone got it already.
[08:11] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[08:12] <xennex81> morning (has spoken)
[09:51] * sitter wonders if kubuntu notification helper should be a plasmoid instead of a kded
[09:52] <Riddell> possiblemente
[09:52] <sitter> Riddell: oh thanks for sdk copyright
[09:55] <sitter> Riddell: and btw, what do I do with the about-distro repo now?
[09:56] <sitter> add a readme pointing to kinfocenter or is there something else we'd do?
[09:57] <Riddell> sitter: nothing it's in unmaintained https://projects.kde.org/projects/unmaintained/about-distro
[09:57] <Riddell> and I'll add it to the notes for the plasma 5.3 which I'll start on today
[09:57] <sitter> Riddell: surely we shoudl scrap the content and add a readme?
[09:57] <Riddell> 5.3 beta
[09:57] <sitter> it's not like someone cloning kde:about-distro would know it is deprecated
[09:57] <Riddell> sitter: just add it to the description on projects.k.o I think https://projects.kde.org/projects/unmaintained/about-distro
[09:58] <Riddell> add a readme to the git repo if you really want
[09:58] <Riddell> I'm not super happy about it being in kinfocentre, previously it was easy to find because system settings is in the kickoff favourites but kinfocentre isn't at all
[09:58] <Riddell> and kinfocentre has a crappy name
[09:59] <sitter> well, it really does not fit in systemsettings
[09:59] <sitter> the only reason we put it there was discoverability
[09:59] <Riddell> sure
[09:59] * sitter never was super happy with that
[09:59] <Riddell> exactly
[09:59] <Riddell> maybe system settings needs a toolbar button to launch kinfocentre
[10:00] <sitter> actually... maybe systemsettings needs a fake-module that launches kinfocenter
[10:00] <sitter> of course then one has the same problem xD
[10:00] <sitter> Riddell: maybe just put it in the help menu?
[10:00] <Riddell> that seems messy, it's why I suggested a toolbar button
[10:00] <sitter> of systemsettings
[10:01] * sitter would find a toolbar button cluttering the toolbar
[10:01] <sitter> it's not really relevant to the operation of systemsettings
[10:01] <Riddell> anyway, plasma 5.3 beta tar time, is releaseme in a good shape?
[10:01] <sitter> I don't think I did any changes recently
[10:06] <sitter> meh, everytime someone touches phonon's cmake things blow up :S
[10:07] <sitter> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=about-distro.git&a=commit&h=1e42a50b67dc6a8b34583e302b781e34b5c08e8f
[10:08] <sitter> Riddell: I feel like muon master is being a bit regressing
[10:08] <sitter> notifier spams while doing a cache update, updater doesn't reset state after install -.-
[10:08] <sitter> Riddell: btw, when is 5.3 branching?
[10:08] <Riddell> sitter: hopefully this afternoon
[10:08] <sitter> ok
[10:09] * sitter twiddles the ci settings
[10:09] <Riddell> notifier spam is because we fixed kubuntu-notifier, I don't think muon has changed in that regard
[10:09] <Riddell> we just never notiticed because kubuntu-notifier didn't notify
[10:09] <sitter> that notification isn't from kubutnu notifier
[10:09] <sitter> Riddell: it did, the entire event for that was removed
[10:10] <sitter> oh, maybe the reboot notification is being the thing that gets triggered
[10:11] <sitter> although that would be odd
[10:11] <Riddell> reboot, system update and system release upgrade notification is kubuntu-notifier
[10:11] <Riddell> muon just has the green shield icon in the systray
[10:11] <sitter> Oo
[10:12] <sitter> system update shouldn't go through kubuntu-notifier wtf
[10:12] * sitter wonders if prison ever gets a release
[10:14] <sitter> Riddell: is bluez-qt already going to be part of the beta?
[10:15] <Riddell> sitter: yep
[10:15] <Riddell> and libbluedevil will disappear
[10:15] <Riddell> sitter: so will plasma-sdk
[10:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:19] <soee_> Good morning BluesKaj
[10:19] <BluesKaj> Hey soee_
[10:47] <sitter> Riddell: bluez-qt no epoch?
[10:47] <Riddell> sitter: hmm, I don't think there's plans to make it a framework
[10:49] <sitter> Originally, I wanted to move it to frameworks. But if i think about it again,
[10:49] <sitter> I plan to extend the library with new features which may break the ABI.
[10:49] <sitter> Riddell: from the original mail that is... so that doesn't exlucde it moving to frameworks later on
[10:49] <Riddell> right
[10:49] <Riddell> best keep without an epoch then
[10:50] <sitter> someone review please: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/bluez-qt.git/tree/debian?h=kubuntu_unstable
[10:51] <sitter> Riddell: btw, I really object to random plasma libs using the kf5 prefixing
[10:52] <sitter> that entirely deludes the public perception of separation between the two and whats worse to a random third party it looks as though the plasma lib is a framework lib (i.e. abi stable)
[10:52] <Riddell> sitter: you are right but send your wrath to plasma-devel may be more productive :)
[10:53] <Riddell> bluez-qt dude says.. 11:53 < nowrep> Riddell: actually i need to revise some parts of api, after that we can make it a framework
[10:54] <Riddell> 11:53 < nowrep> i'm not sure when i'll have time for it though
[11:35] <BluesKaj> what happened to Kmix in the panel , no longer available ?
[11:39] <soee_> it is
[11:42] <BluesKaj> nowhere to be seen here , not in system tray settings
[11:43] <soee_> start it
[11:48] <BluesKaj> I did and it's set to dock in system tray , but it doesn't show
[11:53] <Riddell> sitter: I need a .yml file, got any examples?
[11:54] <sitter> Riddell: yml for what?
[11:55] <Riddell> sitter: for plasma-workspace-wallpapers in svn
[11:55] <sitter> Riddell: https://github.com/apachelogger/releaseme/blob/master/test/data/projects/valid-svn.yml
[11:57] <shadeslayer> Love me some yaml
[12:00] <Riddell> sitter: what am I doing wrong? https://paste.kde.org/pyjtyqhob
[12:02] <sitter> Riddell: your repository url is wrong
[12:02] <sitter> you need to point to the actual path
[12:02] <Riddell> you example was crap :)
[12:02] <sitter> well it was a test
[12:02] <sitter> I pasted my actual example like 5 times already and you never tested it :P
[12:02] <Riddell> it failed my test :)
[12:03] <sitter> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/plasma-workspace-wallpapers
[12:03] <Riddell> I know
[12:03] <sitter> or some such
[12:08] <Riddell> presumably --origin doesn't affect svn and I need to update the .yml for the branch on the bug fix releases
[12:09] <sitter> Riddell: yes
[12:10] <sitter> you can simply create another config though
[12:11] <sitter> the tarball name is derived from the identifier key, so you can have foo.yml and bar.yml with both containing identifier: foobar and they will both yield foobar-123.tar.xz
[12:12] <sitter> so I'd suggest you simply create a config plasma-workspace-wallpapers.yml and plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.3.yml
[12:13] <sitter> we could consider making origin influence it though. that would need some refactoring in various parts so it's nothing immediately possible
[12:14] <Riddell> sitter: it doesn't seem entirely happy although it has made the tar https://paste.kde.org/p1nxmpmgr
[12:14] <sitter> probably craps out on release_data
[12:16] <Riddell> release_data is empty
[12:16] <xennex81> I'm doing a write up on the 5 sections thing for the website, if anyone would eventually be interested in it. But it is coming together nicely I think, just a long process of getting to the essence.
[12:17] <xennex81> Writing it in Calligra now lol.
[12:17] <xennex81> On Gnome :P.
[12:17] <sitter> hm
[12:18] <sitter> Riddell: that raises the question what tagme and branchme should do with this
[12:18] <sitter> Riddell: would it be acceptable to simply exclude the tarball from release_data for now?
[12:19] <sitter> once I redesign the data format this can be handled better, right now everything assumes that the repo data in release_data is git, so if we insert any garbage to do with svn the other tools will fall over dead
[12:19] <Riddell> sitter: I guess so I just do a manual branch and tag anyway without checking the revisions too closely
[12:19] <sitter> right
[12:22] <sitter> Riddell: pull
[12:23] <sitter> svn releases should now be excluded from being written to release_data altogether until the new data format lands
[12:27] <sitter> Riddell: fwiw, we can automate checking build.kde.org probably if you want. querying crap out of jenkins is relatively straight forward
[12:34] <Riddell> sitter: so releaeme checking build.kde.org build status? and doing what with it?
[12:35] <sitter> could be another script really reporting everything that is red with link to build log
[12:35] <sitter> or releaseme could and warn, but I fear that might drown in all the output
[12:37] <Riddell> hmm, dunno if that would save time compared to me just looking at http://build.kde.org/view/Plasma%205%20master/ it's the checking the issues and pinging people that takes time
[12:38] <sitter> *shrug* just a thought :P
[12:49] <sitter> bluez-qt seems to pass integration now \o/
[12:52] <Riddell> sitter: what does that mean?
[12:57] <sitter> Riddell: that I didn't entirely screw up the packaging
[13:17] <soee> oh bukai is web developer at kubuntu ? :)
[13:19] <Riddell> soee: he did a season of kde project to re-do the website
[13:19] <Riddell> which is what ovidiu-florin then took to make the one we're testing
[13:20] <soee> Riddell: yes i remember, im asking because he invided me on linkedit and i see he has title: Web Developer at Kubuntu
[13:20] <soee> so i thought maybe he somehow is involved atm in kubuntu stuff
[13:21] <Riddell> sitter: for the weekly iso tomorrow I'm about to branch and I guess people will push big changes like I know vishes wants to push a whole new baloo database so maybe best take packages from today?
[13:21] <Riddell> as long as they have the new wallpaper in it for screenshots :)
[13:26] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_breeze/115/
[13:26] <sitter> it does say so at least
[13:26] <sitter> I wonder what to do with bluedevil and its unpromotability for snapshots
[13:26] <sitter> surely we aren't getting bluez5 yet again
[13:26] <Riddell> seems not :(
[13:28] <soee> Riddell: are there going to be any 5.3 beta test builds for vivid or nothing until 15.04 is released ?
[13:29] <Riddell> dunno, depends if someone has time
[13:29] <Riddell> it would be nice
[13:31] * soee is listening to Brother Louie by Modern Talking on VOX FM [Amarok]
[13:40] <sitter> Riddell: I think we actually want to switch the ISO to stable until release
[13:41] <sitter> pre-release testering and whatnot
[13:41] <sitter> I am rolling an unstable ISO to be on the safe side though
[13:41] <sitter> Riddell: any time estimate on when you'll be branching?
[13:42] <Riddell> rerolling plasma-desktop now then I'll branch
[13:42] <sitter> ok
[13:42] <Riddell> the wallpapers man has just told me he has another 18 wallpapers to add so I'll not branch plasma-workspace-wallpapers
[13:42] <sitter> :O
[13:42] <sitter> madness
[13:42] <sitter> 1 gig just for wallpapers
[13:44] <Riddell> probably a good thing to not include it in the main breeze tar :)
[13:45] <sitter> it's not like it would make that much of a difference. I did a git pull on breeze this morning, took probably 5 minutes or so for a month of history since my last pull ...
[13:46] <sitter> it's terrible how badly git handles binary assets
[13:46] <Riddell> I know but at least the batch we're getting tonight won't be in it
[13:52] <Peace-> xD
[13:52] <Peace-> hi
[14:02] <soee> hiho Peace-
[14:06] <Peace-> soee: :) http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/minimize+maximize+close+buttons+plasma+5?content=169633
[14:06] <Peace-> soee: well i need todo something but at least i can work like in plasma 4 somehow
[14:07] <soee> Peace-: nice, but this does not remove buttons from widnow decoration no ?
[14:07] <Peace-> no no
[14:07] <Peace-> soee: you need to set kwin properly
[14:07] <Peace-> ah well i should write that to
[14:08] <soee> also you should provide deb fiel for it i think :)
[14:08] <Peace-> soee: BorderlessMaximizedWindows=true
[14:08] <soee> you could also run own ppa so people can grap it easliy
[14:08] <Peace-> in kwinrc
[14:09] <Peace-> soee: i have my ppa but ... i am lazy hihih
[14:09] <soee> oh you... :D
[14:10] <soee> Peace-: but woudl it be hard to make such builds in ppa ? is it something more tahn pushing code there ?
[14:11] <Peace-> soee: well it's easy yes but i did not that thing since years
[14:12] <Peace-> and well installation it's very easy task :D
[14:12] <Peace-> at least for me :D
[14:12] <soee> Peace-: yea but not sor new or not experianced users
[14:12] <soee> we should make their life easier :)
[14:14] <Peace-> soee: i did the job but i hope to NOT BE the maintainer for long even because i basically edited another plasmoid
[14:14] <Peace-> active windows control
[14:15] <Peace-> but it's ugly for me it doesn't make sense to have buttons on the title
[14:15] <Peace-> so ... tweaked
[14:15] <soee> :D
[14:15] <soee> we shuld make a group of people that will run ppa for such fancy addons to plasma5
[14:16] <Peace-> i have written to him but ... it seems he like his own ..
[14:16] <Peace-> soee: i did a tons of service menu :D
[14:16] <soee> d_ed: i see you have some commend without response :) http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/node/91
[14:16] <soee> *comment
[14:17] <soee> Peace-: im waiting for colorpicker in Plasma 5 ;D that is the most missing part for me -.-
[14:17] <Peace-> soee: look at this http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kde-service-menu-aptk?content=108087
[14:17] <Peace-> xD
[14:18] <soee> nice :)
[14:18] <Peace-> ah Riddell installing service menu fails on kubuntu 15.05
[14:19] <Peace-> servicemenuinstallation
[14:19] <Peace-> /usr/bin/servicemenuinstallation:7:in `<main>': undefined method `length' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
[14:19] <Riddell> hmm, ruby, I'm not surprised
[14:19] <Riddell> infact, dolphin should depend on ruby :(
[14:20] <Riddell> oh it does recommend it
[14:20] <Peace-> Riddell: sudo apt-get install ruby says i have already installed
[14:26] <sitter> Riddell: breeze decoration in ubiquity is broken for some reason
[14:27] <sitter> I saw a always-use-shadow change recently which might be causing it
[14:27] <sitter> it's all black and terrible
[14:27] <sitter> Peace-: works just fine you are using it wrong
[14:28] <Riddell> breeze decoration is supposed to be black and horrible no? it's just like unity
[14:29] <sitter> nono
[14:29] <sitter> broken horrible
[14:29] <Peace-> let me see
[14:30] <Peace-> mm i have upgraded
[14:30] <sitter> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/5J13xhW.jpg
[14:30] <Peace-> now it works
[14:30] <Peace-> :)
[14:30] <Peace-> Riddell: sorry for bothering you
[14:31] <Peace-> i did an upgrade and now it seem it's working anyway
[14:31] <sitter> Riddell: it doesn't affect the actual session though, hence why I suspect the recent always-shadow change is causing it
[14:31] <sitter> which is gonna fall us on the head come 15.10
[14:31] <Riddell> Peace-: it seems like an upstream bug anyway, if you get it again do report it
[14:31] <sitter> there is no bug
[14:31] <sitter> I checked the code
[14:32] <sitter> that error only happens when you use it incorrectly
[14:32] <Peace-> sitter: it should exit properly btw sitter
[14:33] <Peace-> i got before issues because it did not install the service menu
[14:33] <Peace-> i don't know why
[14:35] <sitter> that thing is not meant to be used directly
[14:35] <sitter> it's used from inside dolphin
[14:36] <sitter> it does feature rather shitty code though I will say
[14:37] <sitter> shadeslayer: random hack project if you are interested ... sevicemenuinstallation in dolphin could do with some less shitty code ;)
[14:37] <Peace-> lol
[14:37] <sitter> also there is a legit bug
[14:37] <sitter> oh no
[14:37] <sitter> dolphin is still kde4
[14:37] <sitter> nevermind
[14:37] <shadeslayer> EOUTOFTIME
[14:38] <sitter> shadeslayer: just sayin :P
[14:38] <shadeslayer> get me a time machine mate
[14:38] <shadeslayer> or actually
[14:38] <Peace-> i can build one
[14:38] <shadeslayer> cloning machine plz
[14:38] <Peace-> lol
[14:41] <sitter> Riddell: ah meh, its getting late and I have a bit of a headache I think we'll just go with today's iso for tomorrow if everything turns red overnight. going to do the 5.3 move and branch mergery tomorrow
[14:43] * sitter out
[15:17] <soee> how can i restart kwin ?
[15:19] <Peace-> soee: in plasma 5^
[15:19] <Peace-> ?
[15:27] <rdieter> soee: kwin --replace
[15:28] <rdieter> (or I guess in plasma5, kwin_x11 --replace)
[15:28] <soee> rdieter: thanks, had to reboot anyway as i crashed plasmashelll totally ;)
[15:54] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: Hi
[16:05] <soee> Peace-: ping
[16:12] * Riddell out
[16:36] <Peace-> soee: kquitapp5 kwin_x11 ; kwin_x11 --replace
[16:36] <soee> Peace-: no no :D
[16:36] <Peace-> soee: what?
[16:36] <Peace-> ;D
[16:37] <soee> Peace-: do you know how can i set plasmoid icon that will be shown on panel ?
[16:37] <Peace-> mmm in qml ?
[16:37] <Peace-> soee: ^
[16:37] <Peace-> i guess no but :D
[16:37] <soee> Peace-: in metadata.desktop
[16:38] <Peace-> soee: ah well i do in this way , right click on metadata.desktop ==> choose icon :P
[16:38] <Peace-> btw
[16:38] <Peace-> soee: Icon=arrow-up
[16:38] <Peace-> for example
[16:39] <soee> Peace-: ok and i have custome one with extension
[16:39] <soee> it hows up in widgets list
[16:39] <soee> bt not when i add to panel
[16:39] <soee> byt maybe i do something wrong here
[16:42] * Darkwing peers in
[16:52] <Peace-> soee: mmm uh?
[17:19] <soee> Riddell: i see that some fix has been released to make nvidia-prime work wih sddm, so in what package exactly the chnages were made ?
[19:21] <Riddell> soee: in sddm and nvidia-prime packages
[19:21] <Riddell> soee: please do test them
[19:21] <soee> Riddell: there are no updates available yet
[19:23] <Riddell> soee: nvidia-prime 0.8.1 and sddm 0.11.0-0ubuntu9
[19:23] <soee> but they are old i think
[19:23] <soee> in archive liek week or more
[19:24] <Riddell> sddm 0.11.0-0ubuntu9 is 21 hours old
[19:24] <Riddell> nvidia-prime is a week old
[19:24] <soee> uhm, ok let me check if it will work
[19:29] <soee> Riddell: i was able to boot without any serious problems
[19:29] <soee> now i try to install propriety drivers
[19:46] <soee> Riddell: the good news - we can install nvdia-prime and boot system fine
[19:47] <soee> Riddell: the bad news, we still cn't use propriety drivers, booting ends with black screen before sddm
[19:47] <soee> with some 3 messages, where first one is: ACPI PCC probe failed
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> when starting TeamViewer it opens a new window where it shows the system tray icon
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> it' start's as a wine application AFAIK
[20:15] <xennex81> I am writing a piece about those 5 elements for the website but it is going deeper and deeper by the hour....
[20:15] <xennex81> If you want I can shed a little insight but I believe the website is already formatted according to some deeper truth :P.
[20:15] <xennex81> :p.
[20:16] <xennex81> It is amazing and it is alchemical.
[20:16] <xennex81> I can hardly grasp it myself :P.
[20:16] <xennex81> seriously :).
[20:16] <xennex81> It goes deeper by the hour that I am writing and I have been writing all day mostly
[20:17] <xennex81> apart from dealing with crashes in Calligra
[20:17] <xennex81> ANYONE lol ? :)
[20:38] <KDDA> xennex81: no idea what you are talking about!
[20:39] <xennex81> ovidiu asked on the mailing list to come up with (it was a poll) the five parts to the header bar we'd want on the new site
[20:39] <xennex81> or he'd want, you'd want
[20:39] <KDDA> oh right
[20:39] <xennex81> i submitted a reply there but it started me thinking
[20:39] <xennex81> why i chose those 5 and what it meant
[20:40] <xennex81> and i realized in the end that there is a deep structure to any message or product you want to sell
[20:40] <xennex81> and that there are 5 base categories of doing that stuff
[20:40] <xennex81> and that knowing those five instantly reveals which the 5 navigational elements (or parts to the website) should be more or less
[20:41] <xennex81> it just started out as an email but now it is an ODT document :p
[20:41] <xennex81> only "insanity lingers at the brink of such" and I need a break I think
[20:45] <xennex81> but those elements would be, to make it short: Overview, Features, Community, Involvement, and Foundation
[20:46] <xennex81> and the four calls to action on the front page should not be what it is now, but rather: Downloads, Feature Tour, Feedback, Installation/Setup.
[20:47] <xennex81> There is also an element missing on the front page, and it is a news section, or a news feed.
[20:47] <xennex81> Some elements are not rightly ordered, the introductory text has to be above the CtA
[20:47] <xennex81> and the news feed should really be below that, not all that important perhaps but still
[20:48] <xennex81> There should really not be a dedicated News section, or it should be a sixth element, but not one of the five
[20:48] <xennex81> Those are my results in short
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: you lost me.....
[20:48] <xennex81> where?
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> about an hour ago
[20:49] <xennex81> haah it is so hard to write this also in a decriptive way
[20:49] <xennex81> ...
[20:49] <xennex81> :(
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> maybe I'm just too tired
[20:49] <xennex81> yeah me too
[20:49] <soee> ovidiu-florin: do you plan any changes on forntpage and teh banner ?
[20:49] <xennex81> and it is a bit complex for now.....
[20:49] <xennex81> but the last things I said were understandable right
[20:50] <xennex81> the document I write seeks to reveal it more understandibly, but it is hard for me
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> and I've been working on this task for far to long
[20:50] <xennex81> hah, me too today
[20:50] <xennex81> but can i try to explain in short?
[20:50] <xennex81> i guess i need the full document for that, but still, i have till the 15th i guess
[20:51] <xennex81> i am just proposing a few changes and the document is only to make it ... erm... to explain why
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> soee: if someone has any ideas on how to improve it, most likely
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: may I ask you what's your real name?
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> so I know If I seet it somewhere
[20:51] <xennex81> Bart Schouten
[20:52] <xennex81> I was and am list@xenhideout on the mailing list
[20:52] <xennex81> if I have to mention that....
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: so you''re the one with the novel feedback
[20:52] <xennex81> erm
[20:53] <xennex81> you mean the lengthy feedback? :P :(
[20:53] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[20:53] <xennex81> it could be me :p .....
[20:53] <ovidiu-florin> it's very hard to go through it
[20:53] <xennex81> i'm trying to condense you know
[20:53] <xennex81> that's because I don't spend enough time on it
[20:53] <xennex81> I know
[20:53] <ovidiu-florin> you should be more specific and to the point
[20:53] <xennex81> usually if I rewrite it a few times it shrinks to 20%
[20:54] <ovidiu-florin> e.g.: do this ... because .... done
[20:54] <xennex81> i'm doing everything I can, but it takes time for me at current
[20:54] <KDDA> LOL
[20:54] <xennex81> so this time instead of rushing a message out I'm just doing what I can to condense it first :P
[20:55] <xennex81> let's say I am thinkign aloud
[20:55] <xennex81> and that is why it is long
[20:55] <xennex81> because I have no one else to talk to and thinkign to myself is hard here also
[20:55] <xennex81> I'm kinda locked up somehwere
[20:55] <xennex81> but need to call a girl, brb
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> when ever I'm undecided on something, I talk with someone, usually my wife, a she understands me best
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> next, if it's Kubuntu related I give Riddell a ring
[20:56] <xennex81> yeah and I'm so envious of having someone normal to talk to
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> and then write a message to the community
[20:56] <xennex81> I'm surrounded by... people I do not want to relate to
[20:57] <ovidiu-florin> that's why we're here
[20:57] <ovidiu-florin> but, xennex81, IMO, the brainstorming place is here (IRC) and archive and decision making is on the mail list
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> if you send your brainstorming on the mail list, poeple will tend to ignore you
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> if you need, we can organize a mumble room
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> and talk, instead of typing
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: P.S. Mention someone if you want to draw their attention on IRC
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> use tab to autocomplete their nick
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> this will help you find them easy
[21:03] <xennex81> oh, that is good information
[21:03] <xennex81> I know they ignore me, I would ignore myself, and I usually do
[21:03] <xennex81> which is why I am in so much trouble.
[21:03] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[21:03] * ovidiu-florin Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
[21:03] <xennex81> @ ovidiu-florin ;-)
[21:04] <xennex81> oh, that was a name-change :P
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-br | [03:00] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[13:08] <EuMesmo> Oi bom dia, eu gostaria de saber se existe emulador de super-nitendo para a plataforma linux.
[13:08] <EuMesmo> Especificamente para o Debian.
[13:30] <karbureto> Bom dia galera [
[13:31] <karbureto> Será que algume poderia me indicar um programa que traduz as em ingles para o ubuntu 14.10
[13:48] <Elfon__> karbureto: seja mais claro
[13:52] <karbureto> um tradutor de paginas web
[13:52] <Elfon__> karbureto: eu uso o google mesmo
[13:53] <Elfon__> karbureto: coloque o endereço web, escolha o idioma e seja feliz :)
[13:53] <Elfon__> https://translate.google.com.br/?hl=pt-BR&tab=wT
[14:20] <AsFelix> Off-topic: Alguém conhece um bom sip recorder? (além do OUR e do Oreka que já estão há um bom tempo sem atualizações)
[17:28] <ssss> olá a todos
[17:41] <mirqui> boa tarde :)
[17:42] <patric> boa tarde
[17:43] <mirqui> blza , tudo bem :)?
[17:44] <patric> tudo bem, estou apenas testando o ubuntu e apreendendo.
[17:45] <mirqui> haa legal , estou usando a uns 2 anos já
[17:45] <mirqui> mas já usei varias distros
[17:45] <patric> e voce recomenda?
[17:45] <mirqui> gostei mais do ubuntu
[17:46] <mirqui> não posso dizer que recomendo pq não sei para que vc vai usar o pc
[17:46] <mirqui> eu uso pouco , só internet , emails
[17:46] <mirqui> twitter , etc , é muito bom
[17:46] <mirqui> mas o mint tbm é muito legal
[17:47] <patric> sou um usuario simples só para e-mail, youtube e ver filmes
[17:47] <mirqui> sim , então vai cair como uma luva
[17:47] <patric> acabei de tirar o win 7 e instalar o ubuntu
[17:48] <mirqui> o mint é muito bonito tbm , com a mesma funcionalidade do ubuntu
[17:48] <mirqui> eu tenho o win 7 em segundo plano offline
[17:48] <mirqui> pq preciso para ver o nivel de tinta da impressora
[17:50] <patric> e este programa xchat serve basicamente para solucionar duvidas?
[17:50] <mirqui> sim , mas tbm é chat de conversa
[17:50] <mirqui> tem várias salas
[17:51] <mirqui> no caso o ubuntu-br é expecífico
[17:51] <mirqui> mas dá para papear tbm
[17:51] <mirqui> dá um list a channel e dá uma olhada
[17:51] <mirqui> os canais de lingua portuguesa , tem um monte
[17:52] <patric> entendi
[17:53] <mirqui> vc sabe inglês?
[17:53] <patric> não
[17:53] <mirqui> tem os de lingua espanhola tbm
[17:54] <mirqui> na pratica é português , inglês e espanhol para quem sabe
[17:55] <patric> ok, mirqui obirgado pela explicação tchau
[17:55] <mirqui> até :)
[18:41] <Guest4792> Eu tentei formatar o meu pc com ubuntu ( rodar windows e o ubuntu ), deu tudo certo... quando fui entrar no ubuntu, o meu pc travou na cena de entrada, aquela que tem os pontinhos laranja
[19:17] <CyberWorld> boa tarde galera
[19:17] <mirqui> blza , tudo bem :)?
[20:01] <CyberWorld> tranquilex
[20:07] <Rudolf_> so far, so good
[20:57] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[21:27] <kahue_> olá
[21:27] <kahue_> podem me ajudar?
[21:27] <kahue_> quero remover o unity lens videos, files
[21:27] <kahue_> todos menos os de apps
[21:28] <kahue_> alguem sabe?
[21:28] <astroo-> ola
[21:29] <kahue_> voce sabe?
[22:15] <Guest56092> Galera, eu tou com Window e Ubuntu, até então ele não iniciava, travava no começo, quando ia iniciar ( quando estava carregando aquelas bolinhas ), pediram pra eu apertar ESC e ver o erro... Por incrivel que pareça ele iniciou tranquilo
[22:15] <Guest56092> o problema agora é que ele não tava reconhecendo a wi fi, então eu reiniciei a minha maquina para.. pra ver se resolvia
[22:15] <astroo-> da uns 15 minutos pela possivel resposta de alguem
[22:16] <Guest56092> a bronca foi que agora travou na tela inicial, esperando a minha senha..
[22:16] <Guest56092> resposta de alguem aqui? ou tu quer dizer resposta da maquina...
[22:19] <astroo-> tem paciencia para ver se tens ajuda
[22:21] <Guest56092> sim sim
[22:23] <astroo-> se nao houver resposta repoe a duvida a cada 30 minutos
[22:23] <Guest56092> ok...
[22:27] <tulio> boa noite pessoal
[22:28] <Guest42864> alguém ai usa ou já usou FFTw?
[22:28] <Guest42864> alguém ai usa ou já usou FFTw?
[22:32] <astroo-> ola
[22:35] <Guest42864> alguém ai usa ou já usou FFTw?
[22:36] <astroo-> da uns 15 minutos pela possivel resposta de alguem
[23:08] <astroo-> Guest42864 repoe a duvida que talvez alguem responda agora
[23:38] <Dead_Thinker> Boa noite :)
[23:38] <Dead_Thinker> Alguém ai tá tendo problemas de acentos no Skype no Ubuntu?
[23:38] <astroo-> ola
[23:38] <astroo-> isso e mais para a microsoft
[23:41] <Dead_Thinker> astroo-, hum, imaginei que pudesse ser algum pacote que precisasse instalar, mas obrigado
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-locoteams | [04:08] <Kilos> hi nhaines PotatoGim
[04:08] <nhaines> Hi, Kilos.
[04:08] <nhaines> Are you enjoying autumn?
[04:09] <Kilos> lol not really i hate winter and cold weather and pretoria gets cold
[04:09] <Kilos> i spent too many years in durban
[04:10] <Kilos> are you enjoying spring
[04:10] <Kilos> hi mhall119 pleia2
[04:15] <nhaines> lol. It's been nice and warm lately except for yesterday when it poured rain for about an hour, and today it was chilly, which is nice in its own way... because another week and it'll be warm again. :)
[04:15] <Kilos> yay :D
[04:15] <Kilos> warm is good
[04:16] <Kilos> we are still at 13°c for minimums so bearable
[04:17] <Kilos> bad winters we get to -2°c
[04:26] <PotatoGim> Hi
[06:18] <Kilos> hi philipballew
[06:20] <philipballew> Kilos, hey there
[06:59] <Kilos> hi dpm TaeheeJang_iPhon
[07:30] <Kilos> morning dholbach
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <dholbach> hi Kilos | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.397562 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-desktop | [03:45] <robert_ancell> RAOF, do you know any history behind DRI3 and xserver-xorg-video-intel?
[03:48] <RAOF> robert_ancell: You mean - why we've disabled it?
[03:48] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yeah. Well, not enabled it (it is disabled by default)
[03:48] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I didn't follow closely, but it caused bugs.
[03:48] <robert_ancell> That was my assumption - just not ready for prime time.
[03:48] <robert_ancell> RAOF, do you know which clients make use of it?
[03:49] <RAOF> Mesa
[03:50] <robert_ancell> RAOF, do you know if anyone is shipping with it enabled yet?
[03:50] <RAOF> Nope.
[03:50] <RAOF> Maarten would be your man there.
[03:51] <robert_ancell> RAOF, cool, thanks for the info
[04:00] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hmm, I enabled DRI3 and nothing blew up. Any way of confirming that it's actually being used and not DRI2?
[04:04] <RAOF> Xorg.0.log should say something about DRI3
[04:04] <RAOF> For 100% confirmation I think you could try xtrace?
[04:07] <robert_ancell> RAOF, bingo. xtrace for the win
[04:08] <robert_ancell> RAOF, do you know if xtrace is alive upstream? It often doesn't know opcodes but the last time I looked at it I wasn't sure how to send a patch
[04:08] <RAOF> No idea, sorry.
[05:47] <didrocks> good morning
[06:11] <pitti> Good morning
[06:14] <didrocks> hey pitti
[06:17] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[07:14] <larsu> bonjour!
[07:17] <didrocks> pitti: still having some hope on the systemd fsckd thing? Seems like last email was pretty clear…
[07:17] <pitti> didrocks: from Kay? yeah :/
[07:17] <pitti> bonjour larsu!
[07:17] <didrocks> pitti: I guess the best course of action is to rationalize our patch with the additional fixes (all that in one patch)
[07:17] <pitti> didrocks: so it seems we'll have to move fsckd to the Debian branch then
[07:17] <larsu> morgen pitti! Wie geht's?
[07:17] <didrocks> and apply it against v219
[07:18] <didrocks> pitti: I can do the first draft, then, you can review?
[07:18] <pitti> didrocks: yeah; I hope that we don't have to patch s-fsck so much but that this can stay
[07:18] <pitti> didrocks: sure!
[07:18] <didrocks> pitti: let's see what the diff would be (it's mostly removals in s-fsck)
[07:18] <pitti> didrocks: btw, I tried with the fsck mock on my laptop yesterday, and I didn't see any progress :/
[07:19] <pitti> didrocks: it's not the "fixes from trunk" which I added yesterday, happens with either
[07:19] <didrocks> pitti: at boot?
[07:19] <pitti> yes
[07:19] <didrocks> weird
[07:19] <pitti> (with real plymouth)
[07:19] <pitti> I only saw the "Ctrl-C" message
[07:19] <didrocks> was working 2 days again with a real fsck here
[07:19] <didrocks> ago*
[07:19] <didrocks> hum
[07:19] <pitti> ah, good
[07:19] <pitti> well, I don't know what I messed up, at some point I need to reinstall my laptop
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: anyway, with the rationalized patch, I'll give some try…
[07:20] <pitti> didrocks: maintaining the translations will be the most ugly part, I figure
[07:20] <didrocks> yeah
[07:20] <didrocks> not sure what we can do here…
[07:20] <didrocks> (already keeping that in a separate patch maybe?)
[07:23] <pitti> didrocks: what did we do in the plymouth themes? were these translatable at all?
[07:23] <pitti> didrocks: but yes, separate patch for those sounds better
[07:24] <didrocks> pitti: our plymouth themes are .script files
[07:24] <didrocks> pitti: no i18n support
[07:24] <didrocks> that's why in addition to the machine parsable data, we send the l10n strings
[07:26] <pitti> didrocks: right; I meant it wouldn't be too much of a regression if we would drop them in the future
[07:26] <pitti> although it'd be a shame
[07:26] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, that's a possibility, but still a regression from the user POV
[07:26] <didrocks> pitti: should we revert to "c" btw?
[07:26] <didrocks> for cancelling
[07:26] <didrocks> as we did in the past
[07:26] <didrocks> as upstream doesn't care anymore, this change is now useless
[07:27] <seb128> hey didrocks larsu pitti
[07:27] <didrocks> (shame for ctrl+c, took some time to figure out how the protocole handled it specially… as it was requested upstream)
[07:27] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:31] <pitti> didrocks: I don't mind much TBH; if you want to switch back to C, please do
[07:32] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I'll try to handle this
[07:32] <didrocks> pitti: on the cancel only showing, it was with our ubuntu theme, right, not a debian one?
[07:33] <didrocks> (in that case, it's normal that you didn't get any progress)
[07:33] <willcooke> o/
[07:33] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:34] <pitti> didrocks: right, standard vivid desktop
[07:36] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:43] <seb128> seb128q, hey
[07:44] <willcooke> ???
[07:45] <larsu> seb128 greets his alter-ego
[07:45] <didrocks> willcooke: he's broken
[07:46] <didrocks> need to reboot him
[07:46] <larsu> morning willcooke :)
[07:46] <seb128> lol
[07:46] <TheMuso> Hey folks. :)
[07:46] <larsu> didrocks: can you reach the power button from where you are?
[07:46] <larsu> hi TheMuso!
[07:46] <didrocks> larsu: pushing it for 5s right now
[07:46] <seb128> larsu, trying to reproduce that "notify-osd notification doesn't go away" people reported
[07:46] <seb128> seems it's quassel irc users
[07:46] <larsu> didrocks: lol
[07:46] <larsu> seb128: oh?
[07:47] * larsu mumbles something about dreading to look at that code base again
[07:48] <willcooke> hey TheMuso
[07:52] <seb128> larsu, you are safe
[07:52] <seb128> $ dbus-monitor interface=org.freedesktop.Notifications | grep quassel
[07:52] <seb128> string "quassel"
[07:52] <seb128> variant string "quassel"
[07:52] <seb128> string "quassel"
[07:52] <seb128> variant string "quassel"
[07:52] <seb128> string "quassel"
[07:52] <seb128> variant string "quassel"
[07:52] <seb128> quassel sends notifications several time a second for ever
[07:52] <larsu> seb128: quassel quassels too much
[07:53] <seb128> seems so
[07:53] <larsu> (quassel is chatting in German)
[07:53] <larsu> but you knew that ;)
[07:53] <seb128> :-)
[07:54] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ just a fyi, your notify-osd issue from the other day, it's a quassel bug
[08:02] <seb128> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1442005
[08:04] <willcooke> g'night TheMuso
[08:05] <TheMuso> willcooke: Later. :)
[08:05] <didrocks> pitti: keeping debian/patches/Add-gettext-support.patch separated for now, unsure if they are not going to keep it
[08:06] <pitti> didrocks: yes, sounds good
[08:06] <Laney> hey ho
[08:06] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:06] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:06] <Laney> feeling alright thanks pitti
[08:06] <Laney> although!
[08:07] <Laney> I went to donate blood last night and got denied because my iron was too low
[08:07] <Laney> and the shocking thing is that the person suggested this may be because I drink too much tea
[08:07] <Laney> which apparently affects iron absorption
[08:08] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:08] <Laney> what's up?
[08:08] <pitti> Laney: oh, wow
[08:08] <pitti> Laney: weren't you in that program to test whether the interval between donations could be reduced?
[08:08] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1441883 might be something for you?
[08:09] <seb128> Laney, hey
[08:09] <pitti> seb128: boot bugs? go away! :-)
[08:09] <seb128> lol
[08:09] <pitti> j/k, /me looks
[08:09] <seb128> "Failed to isolate default target, freezing."
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:10] <Laney> pitti: indeed, so could also be related to going more frequently
[08:10] <seb128> Laney, time for coffee man:
[08:10] <pitti> ah, probably some fallout from the /e/X/default-display-manger handling
[08:10] <Laney> but they'll only have an idea of that when looking at the whole dataset I suppose
[08:10] <pitti> Laney: yeah, I had trouble keeping up my iron even with 3 month intervals
[08:10] <seb128> pitti, yeah, what I though
[08:11] * Laney is reading a study from the tea advisory council which is trying to rubbish this theory ;-)
[08:13] <seb128> lol
[08:13] <didrocks> pitti: deleting lightdm should empty /e/X/d-d-m, right?
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: ideally yes; I'll try to reproduce this in a bit
[08:14] <pitti> disabling the login screen should be easier (like, just removing /e/X/ddm), but I guess installing the package should still not render the system unbootable
[08:14] <pitti> I figure it's trying to start display-manager.service and fails
[08:16] <didrocks> pitti: it's Wants=display-manager.service
[08:16] <didrocks> though
[08:17] <didrocks> ah
[08:17] <didrocks> pitti: I think I get it
[08:17] <didrocks> it's the failsafe mode
[08:17] <didrocks> Requires=display-manager.service
[08:17] <didrocks> OnFailure=failsafe-graphical.target
[08:17] <didrocks> (for graphical target)
[08:17] <didrocks> I wonder how we can make this elegant
[08:18] <didrocks> as the main point is "you wanted to have a graphical system (graphical.target), no graphics -> failsafe"
[08:21] <pitti> didrocks: hm, perhaps some Condition? could we make it ConditionFileNotEmpty=/e/X/d-d-dm or so?
[08:21] <pitti> didrocks: oh, d-d-m still has lightdm even after purging
[08:23] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so double issue :p
[08:23] <didrocks> pitti: ConditionFileNotEmpty? you can't express that to tell "only fallback if file not empty"
[08:24] <didrocks> it will not executed graphical.target is /e/X/d-d-m empty
[08:24] <didrocks> which is the default target, so I guess it will fail and trigger failsafe as well, no?
[08:26] <pitti> didrocks: I mean, if removing all display managers woudl make d-d-m empty, we could check on that and not run the fallback at all
[08:26] <pitti> (I have some trouble understanding what you meant to say, sorry)
[08:27] <pitti> didrocks: how is the fallback implemented right now, OOI? perhaps we did that wrong?
[08:27] <didrocks> pitti: shouldn't then multi-users.target be the default, rather?
[08:27] <didrocks> pitti: so, graphical.target Requires=display-manager.service/OnFailure=failsafe-graphical.target
[08:27] <pitti> it feels like display-manager.service should have something like OnFailure=ourfallback.service ?
[08:28] <pitti> didrocks: well, maybe, but graphical.target only Wants=display-manager.service, so if that doesn't exist, it ought to be ok
[08:28] * pitti needs to read the error in more detail
[08:28] <didrocks> pitti: not sure we can extends display-manager.service though, it needs a try
[08:28] <pitti> didrocks: oh, requires; I thought it's wants
[08:28] <didrocks> as display-manager.service is in /etc
[08:28] <didrocks> and our extension for OnFailure would be in /lib
[08:29] <didrocks> let me give it a try
[08:29] <pitti> didrocks: that should work
[08:29] <pitti> systemctl cat display-manager.service
[08:29] <pitti> # /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service
[08:29] <pitti> didrocks: ah right, cat resolves symlinks
[08:29] <didrocks> pitti: let me give it a try
[08:31] <didrocks> pitti: seems to work
[08:31] <didrocks> so, /lib/systemd/system/display-manager.service.d/xdiagnose.conf containing OnFailure=failsafe-graphical.target
[08:31] <didrocks> and this extends the Alias display-manager.service, in /etc
[08:32] <didrocks> pitti: I'll handle the failsafe part of the bug, but /e/X/d-d-m needs to be empty still
[08:32] <didrocks> I guess
[08:32] <pitti> didrocks: ok, I can handle that part
[08:32] * didrocks stops his systemd/fsckd rebasing
[08:33] <pitti> didrocks: but if display-manager.service doesn't exist at all, why would d-d-m need to be empty? if we just make it OnFailure=, display-manager.service wouldn't start at all?
[08:33] <pitti> didrocks: nah, don't interrupt stuff, it's not *that* urgent
[08:33] <didrocks> pitti: well, I'm in that context
[08:33] <didrocks> pitti: display-manager.service will exist, by the generator
[08:34] <didrocks> hum, or maybe not
[08:34] <didrocks> one sec
[08:34] <didrocks> needs to check, I guess I check for the unit
[08:34] <pitti> didrocks: the boot fails because it doesn't exist :)
[08:34] <pitti> didrocks: I added an xdiagnose task with a very short summary
[08:34] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, but then, I shouldn't create the symlink
[08:34] <didrocks> thx!
[08:35] * pitti hugs didrocks, thanks for that (I'm not that familiar with xdiagnose)
[08:36] <didrocks> pitti: ok, we don't create display-manager.service if /e/X/d-d-m does refer to garbage (an non existing unit)
[08:36] * didrocks hugs pitti back
[08:36] <didrocks> pitti: so, would be better to clean it up, I guess, but not required
[09:00] <didrocks> pitti: uploading the fix
[09:00] <pitti> \o/
[09:35] <seb128> happyaron, hey, are you looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1439202 ?
[09:35] <seb128> happyaron, it's in the top 5 vivid issues for the week
[09:36] <seb128> cyphermox, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/91da1afe1d626059f88ff4a6f225718a2e20ed3d ... seems like your fix didn't really fix it?
[10:28] <happyaron> seb128: I'm trying to sort out my ticket issue...
[10:28] <happyaron> getting some trouble
[10:29] <happyaron> that's on the top on my list
[10:29] <happyaron> (means the bug)
[10:29] <happyaron> will deal with it this night
[10:31] <GunnarHj> Can somebody please sponsor bug #1441629? (The queue is long, and it's soon final freeze.)
[10:41] <ricotz> hey desktopers :)
[10:43] <ricotz> didrocks, hi, would you mind proposing bamf in *debian* to be maintained by pkg-mate? By sending a proposal to "MATE Packaging Team <pkg-mate-team@lists.alioth.debian.org>"
[10:43] <didrocks> ricotz: sure, can do
[10:44] <didrocks> any formal template or free-form is enough?
[10:44] <ricotz> didrocks, thanks, no idea if there is a formal process to change owner-ship of an package
[10:45] <Laney> just get someone to upload it and change the maintainer
[10:45] <didrocks> sounds easier this way then, ricotz, doing this? ^
[10:45] <ricotz> didrocks, i guess just a few lines regarding the fact isn't updated and outdated
[10:45] <Laney> it is orphaned, they can just do it
[10:45] <Laney> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779565
[10:45] <didrocks> yeah, I got it orphaned recently
[10:46] <ricotz> didrocks, debian-mate wants some kind of on-the-record statement to not step on someones toes
[10:46] <Laney> unnecessary
[10:46] <Laney> they should just adopt the package
[10:47] <didrocks> email sent, if that can make them happy :)
[10:47] <ricotz> Laney, didrocks, thanks!
[10:47] <didrocks> yw!
[10:47] <Laney> https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l3
[10:47] * didrocks is all about people feeling confortable
[10:48] <Laney> they should know how the procedures work
[10:48] <Laney> orphaned package -> someone take this
[10:49] <Laney> interesting that mate wants bamf ...
[10:49] <didrocks> well, wnck isn't enough for windows matching
[10:49] <didrocks> they propbably wants better icons in the status bar :)
[10:49] <didrocks> and so matching desktop files
[10:50] <Laney> yes i'm sure they want to do matching with it
[10:50] <Laney> still interesting
[10:50] <ricotz> Laney, it is required by plank ;)
[10:51] <Laney> what is that?
[10:51] <ricotz> a dock/launcher application
[10:52] <Laney> i see
[11:43] <didrocks> pitti: I'm almost done, but I'll do multiple checks first. More complex due to recent trunk changes
[11:44] <seb128> happyaron, thanks
[12:16] <Laney> heh
[12:16] <Laney> re-debugging a FTBFS that I fixed in October
[12:16] <Laney> bring back daily landing!
[12:21] <didrocks> YEAH \o/
[12:21] * didrocks has some FTBFS issues as well, I wonder if it's not an autotool dep
[12:21] <Laney> what kind?
[12:22] <Laney> i'm just browsing the archive rebuild + fixing stuff
[12:24] <didrocks> Laney: I think it's a -j4 issue (and so a dep), I'm rebuilding without it
[12:24] <didrocks> it's still this fsckd-out-of-trunk followup
[12:24] <seb128> Laney, what was defined that datadir in g-t and stopped doing so?
[12:24] <seb128> Laney, just to know if we can look for similar cases
[12:26] <Laney> didn't find where it came from
[12:26] <Laney> all the autotools stuff is the same version :(
[12:33] * Laney diffs the build deps
[12:42] <nessita> hello everyone, quick question about LXC's in vivid: I just installed all updates, and the running LXC I had was killed by:
[12:42] <nessita> The system is going down for halt NOW!
[12:42] <nessita> SIGPWR received
[12:42] <nessita> I re-started it, and lxc-ls says is running, but it has no IP
[12:43] <nessita> sca-trusty RUNNING - - - NO
[12:43] <nessita> so I can not ssh into it. Any ideas?
[12:45] <Laney> seb128: aha, intltool
[12:47] <Laney> i'll see if there are more of these
[12:48] <seb128> k
[12:48] <Laney> looks like they didn't consider that intltool.m4 is an interface
[12:48] <seb128> Laney, should I try looking if there are some desktop build issues I can work on? or having several of us doing that is just going to lead to duplicating work?
[12:49] <seb128> Laney, they = dobey? ;-)
[12:49] <Laney> ^o)
[12:50] <Laney> was in 2013, probably can forgive him
[12:50] <seb128> hehe
[12:53] <Laney> seb128: if you want to look at this stuff, there's a gcc5 test build too
[12:53] <Laney> i'm looking at the normal toolchain one
[12:54] <seb128> Laney, ok, I can have a look to that
[12:57] <dobey> huh?
[13:01] <seb128> dobey, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/202626076/gnome-bluetooth_3.8.2.1-0ubuntu11_3.8.2.1-0ubuntu12.diff.gz
[13:02] <dobey> hmm that's odd
[13:03] <Laney> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~intltool/intltool/trunk/revision/742
[13:07] <didrocks> pitti: hum, I can build successfully with -j1, but can't with -j4…
[13:07] <dobey> Laney: ah, so the problem is that the gnome-bluetooth build is running autoreconf, but isn't re-running intltoolize i guess; so you end up with a configure script that contains the newer macro bits, but you have the old Makefile.in.in
[13:07] <didrocks> linking issue (probably an order thing)
[13:08] <didrocks> I wonder why, doesn't seem I changed Makefile.am at all
[13:09] <didrocks> pitti: did you get this kind of issues with gpb (like timestamp?)
[13:13] * didrocks does a boot test
[13:14] <Laney> dobey: ya, I went for this one but intltoolize would also work
[13:14] * Laney goes to lunch
[13:22] <pitti> didrocks: no, I always build with -j4, I never ran into issues
[13:22] <pitti> didrocks: what's the particular output?
[13:24] <didrocks> pitti: just that it doesn't find fsckd.o, will paste now that I rebase on experimental in some minutes
[13:24] <didrocks> pitti: otherwise, all works well: cancellation (kept Control+C), translations, progress report…
[13:25] <didrocks> (with the binaries compiled with -j1)
[13:44] <didrocks> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782782/
[13:44] <didrocks> pitti: works fine with a clean -j1 though :/
[13:45] <didrocks> as you can see, src/fsckd/fsckd.o builds successfully…
[13:47] <didrocks> pitti: oh, I think I got it, fixing…
[13:49] <pitti> didrocks: hm, that indeed looks like a missing dep somehwere in the makefile?
[13:50] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, found and fixed I guess
[13:50] <didrocks> rebuilding to ensure
[14:12] <seb128> larsu, back?
[14:13] <seb128> larsu, can you have a look to https://code.launchpad.net/~yuningdodo/unity-control-center/unity-control-center.lp1248720-block-power-callback-unless-its-triggered-by-user/+merge/255041 and comment on whether you think it's right (the associated bugs as some details about GNOME versions and how upstream is (not) impacted (anymore)
[14:18] <ochosi> Laney: btw, could you ping me if you decide on whether to ship the patch from this bug or not? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746222
[14:18] <Laney> ochosi: aye aye, I think larsu was going to check it out
[14:19] <ochosi> Laney: thing is, we should probably add an additional class/style to our themes for that, otherwise it won't look very good
[14:19] <ochosi> okeydokey
[14:19] <Laney> feel free to build a test package and do this in advance
[14:19] <Laney> you'll definitely need it at 3.16 time in any case
[14:19] <seb128> larsu, Laney, ochosi, Trevinho, btw, is bug #1441975 a gtk or a theme or a compiz issue?
[14:19] <seb128> context menus issue
[14:20] <ochosi> my money is on compiz
[14:20] <seb128> lol
[14:22] <ochosi> i think without compositor, you can't get those shadows
[14:22] <ochosi> but theoretically it could also be a theme issue. i wonder though why it would be limited to nautilus then
[14:22] <seb128> it's not
[14:22] <seb128> it just got reported there
[14:22] <ochosi> oh, so no shadows underneath any context menus in gtk3?
[14:22] <seb128> right
[14:22] <seb128> works with gtk2 apps though
[14:23] <Trevinho> seb128: hmmhmh
[14:23] <ochosi> then if it's for all gtk3 apps it's likely the theme
[14:23] <seb128> larsu, ^
[14:23] <ochosi> (sorry for the flip-flop :))
[14:23] <seb128> hehe
[14:23] <seb128> no worry
[14:23] <Trevinho> seb128: should be gtk theme issue, as gtk3 now does that client side
[14:24] <ochosi> lemme test that in xubuntu real quick...
[14:24] <seb128> Trevinho, ochosi, thanks
[14:24] <ochosi> yes, definitely a theme issue
[14:24] <Trevinho> seb128: so, the fact is that we should add client shadows only to menus it seems
[14:24] <Trevinho> or... We make sure that compiz does that again
[14:24] <ochosi> i have shadows there with greybird in gtk3, but not with ambiance
[14:24] <Trevinho> ochosi: yeah, that's doing it on client side
[14:24] <ochosi> i think that is the way to go
[14:25] <ochosi> you can really tweak those shadows nicely with css
[14:27] <ochosi> if i'm not mistaken, this should be it: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/b9f9b0826195ad115b56724326aa0d3e91063dd4
[14:28] <ochosi> yup
[14:29] <ochosi> that's it, just tested it successfully with ambiance
[14:29] <ochosi> seb128: ^
[14:29] <ochosi> also, CSD is quite unusable outside of Unity (or: without compiz) with Ambiance/Radiance
[14:29] <ochosi> no shadows, no borders...
[14:30] <ochosi> that's a bit sad, other than that, Ambiance works great with Xfce
[14:30] <seb128> ochosi, thanks
[14:30] <seb128> ochosi, is that a theme issue as well?
[14:31] <ochosi> but i guess you guys stuck to compiz drawing all those shadows
[14:31] <ochosi> yeah
[14:31] <ochosi> it is
[14:31] <seb128> Laney, larsu, ^ can you add your list to look at getting something similar to that in our themes for vivid?
[14:31] <Laney> makes sense
[14:31] <ochosi> Ambiance: http://i.imgur.com/BZqbCOr.png
[14:32] <ochosi> Greybird: http://i.imgur.com/51Sz1SF.png
[14:32] <didrocks> rebooting for finale testing
[14:32] <ochosi> the difference is a few lines in your gtk-widgets.css
[14:33] <ochosi> (plus disabling compiz' shadows for CSD apps i guess)
[14:34] <Trevinho> ochosi: we can't disable compiz shadows yet
[14:34] <didrocks> pitti: ok, seems to work well (direclty copied the binaries from the experimental branch), the set of patch is at http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/fsckd-out-trunk/
[14:34] <Trevinho> ochosi: but you can add a css rule only for menus
[14:35] <didrocks> pitti: this includes the new workflow that I implemented a month ago (the patch which was never reviewed by upstream…)
[14:35] <ochosi> Trevinho: i see. well the commit in greybird i pointed you to does only that, so it's all you really need.
[14:35] <didrocks> pitti: that + flattening all the patches while keeping gettext support and translations separated for easyness (and taking latest potential trunk changes, reverting some post-219 changes that they made with library moves)
[14:36] <didrocks> pitti: so, all in all, should be good, I can rebase on the ubuntu branch, I will need anyway, as I think one or two autopkgtests are impacted by the direct fsck -> systemd-fsckd connection
[14:36] <didrocks> pitti: but I would appreciate a first quick look by ourself so stamp that all looks good first!
[14:36] * didrocks now goes for a run
[14:36] <didrocks> (phew)
[14:38] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy!
[14:38] <seb128> I'm going to do the same in a bit
[14:38] * ochosi tries not to be a copycat while at the same time going for the run which he planned too...
[14:39] <didrocks> seb128: enjoy as well :)
[14:39] <seb128> ochosi, :-)
[14:39] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[14:40] <pitti> didrocks: rebasing> that's ok, I usually do it the other way around (rebasing ubuntu changes on top of experimental)
[14:40] <pitti> didrocks: so landing this in exp only is fine
[14:40] <Laney> mardy: yo, any chance you could take a look at the libsignon-glib build (test) failure in vivid?
[14:40] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so mind doing this, then I pull and fix eventual failing autopkgtests?
[14:41] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I know you rebase everytime the ubuntu branch, my git reset origin/ubuntu --hard I have to do with the git branch are there to proove it :p
[14:44] <pitti> didrocks: 0001-Add-fsckd-patch-prepared-to-get-out-of-upstream-trun.patch removes the old patches from the series, but not actually from debian/patches/ ?
[14:44] <pitti> ah, that's in 0003
[14:44] <pitti> I think the removal should be in 0001, and 0003 just the fuzz
[14:45] <pitti> but I can do that
[14:48] <pitti> didrocks: ok; I still hope that at least some parts of s-fsck.c will stay, it's a rather intrusive diff that way
[14:49] <pitti> didrocks: pushed (with 0003 merged into 0001), many thanks!
[14:51] <Laney> mardy: (filed bug, assigned you)
[15:00] <larsu> seb128: ya back for a while but was just having a tea with faina (lots to talk about)
[15:00] <larsu> seb128: the shadow thing is moot if we disable csd on unity, like Trevinho suggested
[15:00] <seb128> larsu, no hurry, enjoy your tea :-)
[15:00] <larsu> done now :)
[15:01] <seb128> larsu, saw the theme change ochosi suggested?
[15:01] <seb128> I've no real opinion on how to fix it, but seems like we should address it for vivid
[15:01] <seb128> it's quite visible (once you got told about it, show how much we look at UI details in our daily use here :p)
[15:02] <larsu> no shadows under context menus you mean?
[15:02] <seb128> yes
[15:02] <larsu> ya indeed :)
[15:02] <seb128> well around menus rather
[15:02] <larsu> is there a patch?
[15:02] <seb128> byt yeah
[15:02] <seb128> larsu, https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/b9f9b0826195ad115b56724326aa0d3e91063dd4
[15:02] <seb128> larsu, ochosi said it applies to our theme and should fix it
[15:02] <Laney> I am copying ochosi's patch into a branch already
[15:03] <larsu> awesome, thanks Laney
[15:03] <seb128> Laney, thanks :-)
[15:03] <larsu> and thanks seb128 :)
[15:03] <seb128> yw!
[15:03] <larsu> having a look at the MR you linked as well
[15:03] <seb128> larsu, just in case you missed it, ... thanks ;-)
[15:03] <larsu> also I figured out the gedit squiggly line problem
[15:03] <seb128> no hurry, should be easy enough to review (I think)
[15:03] <seb128> just want another sanity check
[15:03] <seb128> oh, great!
[15:04] <larsu> trying to fix in gtk, but maybe we don't need that
[15:04] <seb128> if that's a theme one maybe sync with Laney to include the fixes in the same landing
[15:04] <larsu> changing the color to a literal one is enough (i.e., don't use @color_name)
[15:04] <larsu> will do
[15:04] <seb128> thanks
[15:04] <larsu> there's still a problem with the underline not being drawn properly when it's on the last lin
[15:05] <larsu> but with the ubuntu font
[15:05] <larsu> not sure what's going on there and haven't been able to find the issue
[15:05] <seb128> is it not displayed at all?
[15:05] <seb128> or like cut?
[15:06] <larsu> cut. Only one row or pixels
[15:06] <larsu> resizing the window or pressing enter to add a new line makes it work
[15:06] <seb128> hum, k, well at least it's better than not displayed at all :-)
[15:06] <larsu> definitely
[15:06] <seb128> don't spend too much effort on it I would say
[15:06] <larsu> agreed
[15:07] <ochosi> btw, i would be surprised if my patch would have any regressions in unity, it should actually "just work"(TM)
[15:10] <mardy> Laney: I'll have a look at it tomorrow, thanks
[15:10] <Laney> thanks to you!
[15:10] <larsu> seb128: ugh, that patch is really ugly :/
[15:10] <seb128> larsu, the theme one from ochosi?
[15:11] <larsu> no, the bluetooth switch one
[15:11] <seb128> larsu, oh, the control center one
[15:11] <seb128> yeah, sorry
[15:11] <seb128> larsu, do you have a better idea/suggestion? ;-)
[15:12] <larsu> seb128: I remember fixing it in my bz5 branch
[15:12] <larsu> not sure though...
[15:13] <larsu> basically, gtkswitch has a way of handling stuff like this
[15:13] <larsu> it's a bit hard to use, but at least you don't need to block signals
[15:13] <larsu> that said, I'm fine adding it downstream for V and fixing it with the bz5 update
[15:13] <larsu> it will work fine from the looks of it
[15:13] <larsu> just wouldn't want it in the actual code
[15:15] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, larsu seb128 I'm very interested in this CSD conversation.
[15:15] <flexiondotorg> Are you planning to add the require patch to GTK3 in vivid?
[15:16] <seb128> larsu, basically you said "not nice but should do the job, we should get it in vivid"?
[15:16] <larsu> seb128: ya. sorry for rambling :)
[15:16] <ochosi> flexiondotorg: the patches are specific to the ubuntu themes, so unless you use Ambiance or Radiance, you'll likely not be affected/interested
[15:16] <seb128> larsu, no worry, thanks for the review ;-)
[15:16] * larsu will get seb128 to write executive summaries for him from now on :P
[15:17] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, I have forks of Ambiance and Radiance call Ambiant-MATE and Radiant-MATE.
[15:17] <larsu> ochosi: I think flexiondotorg means the patches for the non-composited case
[15:17] <larsu> oh, interesting
[15:17] <ochosi> oh, those ones
[15:17] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, So, I'll be keen add update them with the required fixes.
[15:17] <ochosi> well those patches need theme changes too fwiw
[15:17] <larsu> seb128: I'll comment on the MR
[15:17] <flexiondotorg> larsu, Where is the MR?
[15:17] <ochosi> but i already prepared them locally for our themes
[15:18] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, Is there a bug I can subscribe to for this?
[15:18] <larsu> flexiondotorg: unrelated.
[15:18] <flexiondotorg> k
[15:19] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[15:20] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, Do you have a diff for the changes you made to Ambiance and Radiance?
[15:22] <ochosi> flexiondotorg: it really depends on what CSD related things you're referring to now. the most recent conversation was about gtk3 menus not having shadows, so i pointed to a commit that fixes that. i haven't submitted any changes for the other stuff (CSD without compositor)
[15:22] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, OK, so the menus not having shadows is fixed with - https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/b9f9b0826195ad115b56724326aa0d3e91063dd4
[16:09] * qengho is afk a bit.
[16:11] <didrocks> pitti: hum, I wanted to avoid merging the 2 to have a clearer view for you about what changed
[16:12] <didrocks> pitti: but as you wish :)
[16:12] <didrocks> pitti: tell me once you rebased the ubuntu branch on top of it and I'll work on the autopkgtests
[16:16] <pitti> didrocks: ah, you don't have a sid VM?
[16:16] <didrocks> pitti: no off hand
[16:16] <didrocks> not*
[16:16] <pitti> didrocks: can do, but I don't plan an upload just for this as it's no effective change
[16:16] <didrocks> pitti: well, it is
[16:16] <pitti> oh?
[16:17] <didrocks> pitti: as stated in the patch, now fsck talks directly to systemd-fsckd
[16:17] <didrocks> I've merged the changes that were planned with latest discussion in the ML
[16:17] <pitti> ah
[16:17] <didrocks> so there is a workflow changes
[16:17] <didrocks> (I tried to be explicit about that in the commit message and in changelog, not enough apparently, sorry)
[16:18] <didrocks> so the sooner would be the better to avoid last minute accident if any
[16:18] <didrocks> (even if I tested heavily a month ago and today)
[16:20] <pitti> didrocks: rebasing now
[16:37] <Trevinho> Mirv: hey, I've just fixed tests in https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/libdbusmenu/custom-stock-item-label/+merge/251840 (vivid builds now, check http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/libdbusmenu-vivid-amd64-ci/2/), can you approve the MP?
[16:38] <Laney> Trevinho: Funny, I already did that in silo 27
[16:39] <Laney> want to merge with lp:~laney/libdbusmenu/libtool-and-gi ?
[16:41] <Trevinho> Laney: ah ok
[16:41] <Laney> then we should be able to add that there
[16:41] <Trevinho> Laney: mh, is ity really needed to call libtool there?
[16:41] <Laney> don't know, but there is a way to keep on doing it
[16:41] <Laney> so why not?
[16:41] <Trevinho> Laney: mh, I've removed it and it's working well...
[16:42] <Trevinho> I'd prefer to remove that, as I don't see the benefit of that
[16:42] <Trevinho> Laney: anyway, I'm merging mine with yours, so we merge both?
[16:43] <Laney> one way is fine, then set it as a pre requisite in the MP
[16:43] <Trevinho> indeed
[16:44] * willcooke -> EOD
[16:44] <willcooke> o/
[16:45] * Trevinho Laney: for your love https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/libdbusmenu/custom-stock-item-label/+merge/255709
[16:51] <pitti> didrocks: rebased and pushed
[16:53] <didrocks> pitti: excellent, thanks! will workon that tomorrow
[16:53] <didrocks> work on*
[16:53] <pitti> didrocks: oui, c'est l'heure du dîner .. et de la glace !
[16:53] <didrocks> pitti: un peu tard pour la glace :p
[16:54] <didrocks> (je sais, il n'est jamais trop tard pour une glace ;))
[16:54] <pitti> didrocks: pourquoi ? il y a encore beaucoup du soleil dehors :)
[16:54] <didrocks> pitti: julie est d'accord :-)
[16:54] * didrocks waves good evening and good glace to everyone!
[16:54] <pitti> didrocks: c'est notre dessert !
[16:54] <pitti> didrocks: and you, à demain !
[16:55] <didrocks> pitti: à demain ;)
[16:56] <Laney> Trevinho: can't approve, I'm going to land my thing and you can do it again once you get someone to do it
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2015-04-09-#xubuntu-devel | [00:37] <Unit193> Gookies. :D
[00:37] <knome> ooh, he's back
[00:38] <Unit193> Yarp.
[00:39] <Unit193> I gotted a mention.
[00:39] <knome> no kidding there
[00:41] <Unit193> sidi: Congrats on the gtk+3.0 mention.
[00:46] <bluesabre> +1
[05:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can I update ppa:extras to very shortly point to xfdashy and xfce4-soundmenu bugzilla links? We want people testing to report, and a reminder helps (but grows he description a bit. :/ )
[07:19] <Unit193> fb6fab41 02_add-light-locker-to-xflock4.patch
[07:19] <Unit193> fb6fab41 03_add-light-locker-to-xflock4.patch
[07:19] <Unit193> Nice.
[07:22] <Unit193> https://sources.debian.net/src/xfce4-session/4.12.1-1/debian/patches/ go home Debian, you're drunk.
[07:23] <elfy> let's hope it's not UTC there - 7am is too early for that behaviour
[07:30] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/patch/?id=26f9ae8df629f02af0773df2ed82db6b85c5b556 I wanted that, Uploading xfce4-session_4.12.1-1ubuntu2~15.04.dsc: done.
[08:23] <sidi> Unit193, were you guys having problems with it?
[08:23] <Unit193> Don't think so.
[08:42] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:45] <sidi> morning Simon
[08:45] <Unit193> Morning, Steve.
[08:45] <ochosi> morning, err, Unit?
[09:11] <sidi> :D
[11:38] <bluesabre> Unit193: yup, mentioned that earlier about the double patches, but we got that from debian :)
[11:39] <bluesabre> Unit193: I added you to -dev, so yeah, update the ppa info
[21:04] <knome> Unit193, sure, let's have the discussion here.
[21:05] <knome> re: discussion on whether the community voice is heard or not, and whether it can have any effect on what the team decides
[21:06] <knome> the sidetrack being if this channel is too "frightening" for people to talk in (because of logging or the more official status, whatever that might mean)
[21:06] <GridCube> i tried to make a rationale of why i would like to change gmb, i think ali is making it again, but there is no interest in hearing about it
[21:06] <knome> GridCube, and how do you come to that conclusion?
[21:07] <GridCube> because there was no other input than mine in my first try, and ali is doing all the work alone again
[21:08] <knome> so to be "interested in hearing", you think that several team members should "help" the person who wants change to do his comparison?
[21:08] <GridCube> again i understand the main counter argument, no one is willing to mantain the packages they don't care about, so who will?
[21:08] <knome> that's not even a counter argument what i'm asking about
[21:09] <GridCube> knome: yes, because they are taking the time to try and help the project be a little bit better, at least some input, some help, something that tells us that we are being listened
[21:10] <knome> GridCube, but don't you think the reason why team members aren't doing it in the first place is the lack of time?
[21:10] <knome> GridCube, it isn't like people were working on it, and when somebody outside the team started working on it, everybody washed their hands from it
[21:11] <Unit193> knome: Fine. You act like you're saying "patches welcome", but everything else you say seems to be "Well formatted patches that conform to our standards and don't change anything else welcome"
[21:11] <GridCube> sure, absolutelly, and tahts why is correct that the people who thinks that things need to change are the ones who have to do the work, but at least we would like to know that we are going to be listened, that theres some interest from your side to hear about it
[21:12] <knome> Unit193, how do you come to that conclusion?
[21:12] <Unit193> It's an impression.
[21:12] <knome> GridCube, we're definitely interested.
[21:12] <GridCube> doesnt seems like it, sorry
[21:12] <Unit193> GridCube +1
[21:13] <GridCube> im not the first one, nor is ali1234, to point gmb is not a good media player, but theres absolutelly no interest on hearing about it
[21:13] <GridCube> and thats just an example
[21:13] <knome> what should the team do then to make it feel like we're listening, if we leave out "work with them" (since it's a question of lack of time to begin with)
[21:13] <GridCube> i dont know
[21:14] <knome> GridCube, the reason why i've told him that i am not interested in hearing why gmb is not a good media player is because i'd rather hear which application is a good media player
[21:14] <GridCube> that has been done, ali1234 has done it, i have done it
[21:15] <brainwash> 15.04 will be released very soon, so there is plenty of time to discuss if the audio player should be changed in 15.10 or later
[21:15] <brainwash> there is no hurry
[21:15] <knome> GridCube, i appreciated your effort, but maybe you dropped the ball a bit too early
[21:15] <GridCube> maybe
[21:15] <Unit193> Heck, use aqualung for all I care, as long as it isn't gmb.
[21:16] <Unit193> knome: You/ochosi decided with GridCube at the time that perhaps because of his strong dislike for gmb, his bias may cloud things.
[21:16] <knome> tbh, it became gmb-bashing
[21:17] <knome> which is unproductive because that doesn't address how we should fix the issue but what the issue is
[21:17] <GridCube> im not saying im not at fault here, i just felt un-apreciated, i felt that whatever i did was falling on deaf ears so it made no sense for me to try, same with gthumb, we got it in once we had to drop gimp for space reasons, it was good because its a good replacement, next cycles it was deleted because "does the same as gimp and ristretto"
[21:17] <GridCube> sure, whynot get rid of gimp and ristretto and leave gthumb then?
[21:18] <knome> GridCube, because nobody proposed that when the discussion was open, only once we had started voting on the options brought up.
[21:18] <GridCube> i did
[21:18] <knome> right, but i didn't see much support for that
[21:19] <Noskcaj> GridCube, I'd support it if someone writes a menubar patch for gthumb, until then, it's staying unmaintained in debian and unused by us
[21:19] <GridCube> Noskcaj: good point, thats why i keep saying that it makes no sense for me to propose anything because "who will maintain it"
[21:20] <knome> GridCube, but that's not something the team can affect, is it?
[21:20] <GridCube> i can't do it, i dont have the technicall abilities to do so
[21:20] <GridCube> exactly, and thats again why i dropped the case in the first place
[21:20] <Noskcaj> GridCube, Actually, there is now a debian maintainer. So all you need is to ask gnome devs enough times for a patch
[21:20] <knome> it's sad but true that the only way to know how many people actually NEED gimp (or anything else) installed in the default installation is to drop it and hear the feedback
[21:21] <Unit193> I'll admit that while I think gimp can be overkill, it's a nice one to have.
[21:21] <knome> that's one of the reasons we are doing this well before the LTS release so we have time to react to feedback
[21:21] <GridCube> we had already droped it
[21:21] <GridCube> nothing really bad happened at all
[21:21] <knome> GridCube, yep.
[21:22] <knome> GridCube, that's my position, it's probably going to be just fine
[21:22] <knome> even if people argue vocally about it
[21:22] <GridCube> agreed
[21:22] <knome> Unit193, i kind of think the same... then i realize i very rarely even open gimp
[21:22] <Unit193> True.
[21:22] <GridCube> (if we provide alternative to image edition)
[21:23] <knome> so i don't think it's a requirement even for me (if i composed my own default seed), and i happen to work with artwork
[21:23] <knome> GridCube, even without an alternative.
[21:23] <knome> GridCube, i'm not using anything that can be counted as an alternative regularly
[21:23] <Unit193> I tend to use it, when I could have used something like xnview in Windows. :P
[21:24] <knome> a small set of scripts or something would be fine for most
[21:24] <knome> rotate, resize
[21:24] <knome> things like that
[21:25] <GridCube> imagemagic has a sort of gui that does that, but its very ugly
[21:26] <knome> GridCube, i said that in the meeting already, but it could even be a set of thunar custom actions as far as i care
[21:26] <knome> (that did it via imagemagick's CLI commands)
[21:26] <GridCube> mmhm, that could be nice
[21:27] <knome> and light.
[21:28] <mrkramps> you could use extactimage instead which should be smaller than imagemagick
[21:28] <knome> well again, the technical implementation is a side-issue
[21:29] <knome> if somebody is interested enough, they'll work their way this way or the other
[21:29] <knome> and even imagemagick is smaller than gimp...
[21:40] <ochosi> time and time again, it's interesting how much the emotion the default app set conjures
[21:40] <ochosi> whoa, i need to redact that sentence, let me try again...
[21:40] <knome> lol
[21:41] <ochosi> time and time again, it's interesting to see how much emotion the default app set conjures
[21:42] <knome> right
[21:42] <knome> but it's also sad to see that it generates frustration, because "the team isn't listening"
[21:43] <ochosi> yeah, oh well. people complain about various things all the time
[21:43] <ochosi> i'm not happy about people being frustrated, then again i really feel that i try to listen
[21:43] <knome> sure, but i wonder if there is anything that the team could help to fight that frustration
[21:43] <knome> or even some team members.
[21:44] <ochosi> then again, i'm frustrated about people expecting *me* to do the things they're interested in or want changed
[21:44] <knome> i mean, even some team members being frustrated
[21:44] <knome> or things that simple aren't up high enough on the priority, so they are being postponed
[21:45] <ochosi> is this still (and foremostly) about gmusicbrowser?
[21:45] <knome> i believe that it is
[21:45] <knome> and that's also a sad part
[21:45] <knome> because the default media player choice/change shouldn't be about gmb, it should be about the other players..
[21:47] <ochosi> so what's the status on the comparison that ali started?
[21:47] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer
[21:47] <Unit193> Considering it's not just me (as a team member) annoyed? Yeah.
[21:48] <knome> Unit193, i didn't get that
[21:49] <mrkramps> eh, audacious can do "jump to song"
[21:49] <ochosi> yeah, i dont think the table is completely correct. also, that's only a starting point
[21:50] <knome> mmazing, to be fair, gmb can do several of the tasks mentioned in the table that it's marked as "can't do"
[21:50] <knome> mrkramps, ^
[21:50] <ochosi> Unit193: so what about dropping gmusicbrowser without replacement?
[21:50] <knome> i guess the outcome depends on the subjectively relative findability of those features
[21:50] <mmazing> i was gonna say haha, geez, i just join and people are already angry with me
[21:51] <Unit193> Just, hidden, in the closet behind the old table.
[21:51] <knome> mmazing, not angry at all, just commenting. and sorry for the accidental highlight
[21:51] <Unit193> ochosi: At this point, that'd be great. Parole has a basic media library no?
[21:51] <mmazing> knome: i know :) just kidding around
[21:51] <Unit193> ochosi: But, I'm fine with recommending gmb, or something.
[21:51] <ochosi> Unit193: nope, no library. but playback and playlists/streams etc
[21:52] <knome> ochosi, Unit193: some people argue that there is no way we couldn't do without a "real" media player
[21:52] <knome> err, "could do"...
[21:52] <ochosi> they might say the same thing about office suits
[21:52] <knome> yes.
[21:52] <elfy> oh my
[21:52] <ochosi> and given that we don't have the final result of the vote, it could happen
[21:52] <knome> elfy, welcome...
[21:52] <ochosi> i mean seriously you guys, how bad can it be?
[21:52] <Unit193> Hah. :D
[21:52] <Unit193> !info webservice-office-zoho
[21:52] <knome> ochosi, i'm fine with dropping gmb too with no replacement.
[21:53] <knome> as i've said before, it seems like the only "not wrong" option
[21:53] <Unit193> But, we're not trying to create xubuntu-core with xubuntu-desktop, fwiw.
[21:53] <ochosi> blog XY will go "they destroyed xubuntu!!!" or "they mistreat their users" (mistakingly thinking that we're service providers to customers), but that'll be about it
[21:53] <knome> Unit193, no, there is still FF/TB at least...
[21:53] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, i agree
[21:54] <ochosi> haha, the XUL crap. how i wouldn't mind to get rid of those two ;)
[21:54] <mmazing> what is gmb again? not having luck on google :\
[21:54] <ochosi> mmazing: shorthand for gmusicbrowser
[21:54] <knome> ochosi, and replaced with what? the big brother goo-gel stuff?
[21:54] <ochosi> knome: midori?
[21:55] <knome> midori's web browsing abilities are relatively bad.
[21:55] <Unit193> xombrero is even better.
[21:55] <knome> granted, i haven't followed its development very closely lately, but it's not really what people excpect from a browser
[21:55] <brainwash> replace it with firefox-gtk3 in the future
[21:56] <GridCube> vivaldi
[21:56] <GridCube> i mean we trowing names around
[21:56] <ochosi> yeah, let's not go into this further. my point is: i *am* open to changing our default app set and i've repeatedly said i don't mind replacing or dropping gmusicbrowser, so i'd really love it if we could take a step back and take a breath
[21:56] <mmazing> i, for one, don't like seeing stuff like rhythmbox/etc installed by default (and gmb isn't installed on my version of xubuntu 14.04, anyway), it seems like the sort of thing that people will decide which one they like and install it on their own
[21:57] <ochosi> mmazing: they do that with pretty much everything anyway
[21:57] <Unit193> brainwash: Had problems building. :D
[21:57] <mmazing> ochosi: agreed
[21:57] <Unit193> knome: And, version in Debian is so very old.
[21:57] <brainwash> Unit193: it will work at some point
[21:57] <Unit193> ochosi: Well yes and no. If you want barebones, install that.
[21:58] <ochosi> mmazing: which is why i said that these discussions usually get blown out of proportion and overly emotional (for my taste)
[21:58] <knome> Unit193, at least we can affect that though..
[21:58] <mmazing> ochosi: also agreed :)
[21:59] <Unit193> ochosi: Right, but is the default is hardly usable but yet you still can't get rid of it? :P
[21:59] <ochosi> Unit193: again with the flaming?
[21:59] <Unit193> ochosi: Just trying to say, there's another side of it.
[22:00] <knome> yes, i would so much rather here what is *so much better* with the new app somebody is proposing than what is wrong with the current one
[22:00] <ochosi> s/here/hear/
[22:00] <GridCube> thats the other thing, the culture of "its just an apt-get away", i agree to that, but i think we need to teach people to use apt-get/usc, we should have a simple "welcome to xubuntu" thing that has a few pages teaching people how to get any software they want
[22:01] <Unit193> knome: Sure, but the one I have installed isn't an option as it isn't in the repos. :P
[22:01] <ochosi> then package it
[22:01] <elfy> not sayiing anything
[22:01] <ochosi> do something about it, other than whining
[22:02] <elfy> so
[22:02] <Unit193> ochosi: Already did. You think I installed into /usr/local/? :D
[22:03] <ochosi> hehe, well who knows :)
[22:03] <knome> ochosi, thank you mr. grammar police
[22:03] <ochosi> knome: yw
[22:03] <Unit193> So, therefor I did do something about it.
[22:03] <ochosi> Unit193: well package it for others then
[22:03] <ochosi> if you think it's a viable candidate
[22:03] <knome> GridCube, we are welcoming contributions for documentation too
[22:03] <mrkramps> or at least tell us which one it is -.-
[22:04] <Unit193> ochosi: I did, it's in their daily ppa. I don't think it's fit for Ubuntu repos because of bundled libs, and another xul.
[22:04] <ochosi> Unit193: and really, please stop this "gmb is not usable" nonsense. i'm trying to have a reasonable conversation with you here...
[22:04] <ochosi> oh no, not another xul
[22:04] <knome> ochosi, in your opinion
[22:04] <Unit193> ochosi: Ah, well that's what I've read from others. I"ve not used it long enough to find out if it's "utterly unusable" as they say.
[22:05] <knome> ochosi, got to make that disclaimer so people won't think it's an official statement for the project.
[22:05] <Unit193> Eh, "not another xul" is somewhat valid.
[22:05] * Unit193 sighs.
[22:05] <knome> Unit193, so you are passing on flaming comments from others without checking if they are at least somewhat true? nice :)
[22:06] <Unit193> knome: It's called paraphrasing...
[22:06] <knome> Unit193, or FUD.
[22:06] <Unit193> Perhaps, yes. Either way. Quotes likely would have helped you.
[22:07] <knome> but ultimately, i don't see how mocking GMB actually gets anything done.
[22:07] <elfy> might be useful if people wandered off and did something else here
[22:08] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, good idea :)
[22:08] <knome> or maybe the strategy is to mock it until the XPL bursts into tears, cracks, and promises to install every media player
[22:08] * ochosi wanders off to do something else
[22:09] <knome> and it might be useful to actually finish off the discussions, instead of stopping them when everybody has a bad taste in their mouth and thus making all of the future discussions about the same topic reprises of the previous one
[22:10] <elfy> it's not a discussion, it's a bunch of bad mouthing at each other
[22:12] <knome> maybe it should be ended before it turns into that
[22:13] <elfy> I'm not going to get involved in media player discussions, my point was made a long time ago and hasn't changed, so you all carry on
[22:14] <Unit193> Nooope, as I've said, I'm done too now.
[22:16] <GridCube> knome: im not talking about documentation though, im talking about something more visible, for example a simple slideshow html5 file linked from the desktop that says "welcome to xubuntu" and has like 10 pages just telling you how to get to documetation, how to install programs in a visual and simple way, some alternatives to
[22:16] <GridCube> media/ofimatic/webbrowsing/ims/graphics, and thats it, with links to install frm usc or not i dont know, i think that would take most of this "what default application" discussions out of order
[22:16] <knome> Unit193, i'm sorry if i offended by anything; that's obviously not the goal. furthermore, as i see it, there are many things we agree about even within this discussion, and i'm sorry for not always being able to see, or express that clearly enogh
[22:17] <knome> GridCube, that's part of the documentation
[22:17] <GridCube> ok
[22:17] <knome> GridCube, http://docs.xubuntu.org/1410/managing-applications.html#ubuntu-software-center
[22:18] <knome> GridCube, i understand that's not exactly what you are describing, but is there something else than screenshots that could be improved there?
[22:18] <knome> GridCube, the whole chapter really (http://docs.xubuntu.org/1410/managing-applications.html)
[22:18] <knome> GridCube, and of course, trying to make the documentation more visible...
[22:20] <elfy> GridCube: one of the *buntu derivatives do something similar I think,
[22:20] <elfy> or could be something else entirely, while since I've seen it, but shows when you boot first time
[22:20] <knome> one of the actionable items would be to add a shortcut to the documentation on the desktop
[22:20] <elfy> with a 'Don't show this again' checkbox
[22:21] <knome> elfy, why so shady about the derivative :P
[22:21] <elfy> because I'm really not sure which it was
[22:21] <knome> good rationale.
[22:21] <elfy> if I thought it was Mint I'd have said so :)
[22:21] <GridCube> knome: my opinion is, thats just a wall of text that 94.325% of the people will not bother to read. Im talking about something shiny, simple and squared, something a newbie can just waste 40 seconds on see all and learn the basics
[22:22] <GridCube> and then they can delete the file from their desktop
[22:22] <elfy> I assume you are meaning something *like* the install slideshow, that plays on first boot?
[22:23] <knome> GridCube, please, don't understand this as a snarky comment as it really isn't; it's the most serious tone i have: do you think that the whole documentation is more or less not useful, since it doesn't have a very simple approach to the topics?
[22:23] <GridCube> elfy: yes
[22:23] <knome> the other actionable item could be to add a slide about USC (back) to the installer slideshow then
[22:24] <GridCube> knome: no, i just understand how documentaion usually works in any project around the whole planet, not here, our documentation is excellent, users dont like to read them
[22:24] <elfy> knome: I think that GridCube is talking about more detail than the slideshow itself gives
[22:25] <knome> elfy, maybe, but he also wanted a shiny thing that's very short and easily accessible, which i think is equal to the slideshow
[22:25] <GridCube> im just talking about a guide that welcomes new users and gives fancy and graphical indications of how to do basics
[22:25] <knome> GridCube, so do i interpret you right that you'd want to see more screenshots on the documentation?
[22:25] <elfy> ^^
[22:26] <knome> GridCube, or is it something else than that
[22:26] <GridCube> knome: no, documentaion is documentation
[22:26] <GridCube> its not the same
[22:26] <knome> ok...
[22:26] <knome> so in addition to the documentation that goes through the basic stuff, we should have some other documentation that goes through basic stuff?
[22:26] <knome> i'm confused...
[22:26] <elfy> no
[22:26] <elfy> not docs
[22:27] <elfy> *like* slideshow sort of thing
[22:27] <GridCube> you can point to documentation from the slideshow
[22:27] <mrkramps> pictures/animation to explain the first steps right after first boot of installed system
[22:27] <elfy> but more about how to use USC
[22:27] <mrkramps> something like "take the tour"
[22:27] <knome> elfy, (still no snarky sound, still serious) but isn't it basically documentation if we tell the people the same things we tell them on the documentation?
[22:27] <knome> GridCube, we do
[22:27] <GridCube> "read more about media players here" [link to docs]
[22:27] <elfy> mrkramps: that's my understanding
[22:27] <knome> what would the tour consist of?
[22:28] <knome> could it be another chapter in the documentation that was more "graphical"/had more screenshots?
[22:28] <elfy> knome: yes ofc - but different people access information in different ways, I'm happy to read a 600 page book on ecology
[22:28] <knome> i'm failing to see why another piece of technical platform is needed here...
[22:28] <elfy> would hate to read a 600 page book on gmb ;)
[22:28] <knome> we can turn the documentation into marvelous things
[22:28] <mrkramps> knome, absolutely nobody who really should is reading a manual
[22:29] <knome> mrkramps, but that's hardly our fault... :)
[22:29] <elfy> knome: it's not so much technical - but a halfway, enough to get you going platform
[22:29] <elfy> GridCube: ^^ is that what you mean?
[22:29] <GridCube> yes
[22:29] <knome> i wasn't talking about the content though
[22:29] <elfy> I understand where you are then :)
[22:29] <knome> i was talking about the platform where it is build on
[22:29] <knome> i understand what GridCube is saying too
[22:30] <knome> but i don't understand why it couldn't be either 1) on the slideshow 2) on the documentation
[22:30] <elfy> then the platform is slideshowy
[22:30] <knome> -y?
[22:30] <GridCube> i understand knome point, we could have just one slideshow for each chapter of the documentation, that links to the full text
[22:30] <elfy> and then it's too long
[22:30] <knome> GridCube, i would guess that nobody would follow the slideshow if it was like that though
[22:31] <knome> GridCube, i wouldn't..
[22:31] <elfy> when people were installing from cd to hdd
[22:31] <knome> (i'll happily read a manual though)
[22:31] <GridCube> not many people would
[22:31] <elfy> now I'm lucky to see the slideshow for 5 minutes
[22:31] <GridCube> and im talking as a librarian
[22:32] <knome> GridCube, sure, i just wanted to point that out to say that even if i think (well-written) manuals are okay, i wouldn't enjoy a slideshow with an introduction of all the manual chapters
[22:32] <knome> i'd just rather want to dig deep in the manual right away
[22:32] <knome> brb
[22:32] <GridCube> yeah well was just a random though
[22:34] <GridCube> i think that 10 pages slideshow is enough, like "welcome|handling files|internet|messaging|music/video|offimatic|games|advanced stuff|read more in docs"
[22:34] <knome> GridCube, we have a lot more slides to cover in the slideshow too
[22:34] <mrkramps> GridCube, you forgot "installing software"
[22:34] <knome> GridCube, we've come to the conclusion that 7-8 is the right amount
[22:34] <elfy> knome: I really think the install slideshow is the wrong place
[22:34] <elfy> for what GridCube is talking about
[22:35] <knome> elfy, you are likely right, but then, we already do have a link to the documentation from the slideshow
[22:35] <knome> which is why i asked my original question:
[22:35] <elfy> yes
[22:35] <GridCube> mrkramps: no, in each of those you say "if you want more options to ... you can get them in the usc"
[22:35] <knome> how can we improve the docs so that it's more accessible for a new user
[22:35] <knome> or what kind of tour could the documentation have
[22:35] <elfy> that just goes back to the some like docs, some don't :D
[22:36] <elfy> ha ha
[22:36] <knome> elfy, but if you don't like docs, and don't read them, you also can't whine that we didn't tell you how to install your $favorite_music_player
[22:36] <knome> :)
[22:36] <elfy> right, so docs tour - great, expand in the slide about the thing your linking to in a bit more detail
[22:36] <GridCube> knome: the slideshow just happens on installing
[22:36] <GridCube> the current one
[22:37] <elfy> it doesn't have to be Xpx by Xpx
[22:37] <GridCube> and only if you reach the installing point
[22:37] <mrkramps> maybe just upload a tour at YT?
[22:37] <GridCube> you cant just launch the slideshow to see it
[22:37] <elfy> make it larger, expand the detail - link to docs
[22:37] <knome> elfy, sounds like a good idea to me
[22:38] <GridCube> again i think somthing like an html5 page, not even a proper program
[22:38] <elfy> half way house between the basics and the docs
[22:38] <knome> elfy, and the tour in the docs is always accessible after installation too (GridCube ^)
[22:38] <knome> GridCube, like our docs :)
[22:38] <GridCube> should do it, and most anyone could maintain it
[22:38] <GridCube> knome: is it?
[22:38] <knome> GridCube, well it's written in docbook, but it's shipped as html
[22:39] <knome> but we're maintaining that already, so adding more to it isn't a problem
[22:39] <elfy> GridCube: and do you have the knowledge to do some of this?
[22:39] <knome> setting up another platform, for one, would mean more maintaining burden
[22:39] <knome> which is why i'm against that
[22:39] <elfy> because if so I could try and help too
[22:40] <GridCube> im am not a webdeveloper but i checked online and theres plenty of opensource slideshows available on github and what not that could be used
[22:40] <elfy> knome: but once set up? a change in UCS in docs - how to make sure change to *new thing* happens
[22:40] <GridCube> i dont think it would be so hard to start from there and create our own
[22:40] <knome> elfy, the same as everything in the docs - we make sure it's up-to-date
[22:40] <GridCube> i could try it
[22:40] <elfy> GridCube: neither am I - but trying has to be worth it - and I could try with you
[22:41] <knome> GridCube, the question is not only to set up the "slideshow", it's about setting the packaging and a lot more to be installed with xubuntu
[22:41] <GridCube> yes
[22:41] <elfy> knome: ack, so just about management
[22:41] <GridCube> i understand
[22:42] <knome> elfy, yes, contrary to another platform, which would also need a setup (and duplicated the package/upload -like management)
[22:42] <elfy> right
[22:43] <GridCube> so it makes no sense to try to do something because we wont have any help to get it done, got it
[22:43] <knome> GridCube, you're understanding it wrong, really.
[22:43] <knome> i'm strong +1 for adding new content and making it look different
[22:44] <knome> but i'm strong -1 for adding complexity via additional platforms
[22:44] <elfy> GridCube: I'm sure that we'd get help when we've got a working model, why not work on that first
[22:44] <GridCube> well i dont understand your plataform so i cant help
[22:44] <GridCube> elfy: sure
[22:44] <knome> GridCube, we can help you convert your content into docbook
[22:45] <elfy> knome: is docbook how slideshow is written?
[22:45] <knome> elfy, no, the slideshow again is pure html
[22:45] <GridCube> i dont understand then
[22:45] <knome> GridCube, what don't you understand?
[22:46] <GridCube> how do you get a slideshow if thats not how you do an slideshow
[22:46] <elfy> knome: GridCube is envisaging a slideshow for this stuff - eg html
[22:46] <elfy> I think
[22:46] <knome> i don't understand why it needs to be a slideshow
[22:46] <GridCube> im not talking about adding screenshots to documentation
[22:47] <knome> but fair enough, let's discuss that direction
[22:47] <GridCube> because its visual, its fast and its simple
[22:47] <elfy> GridCube: neither am I at this point
[22:47] <knome> if it can't be inside the documentation, then you'll need another package
[22:47] <GridCube> yes, thats the point
[22:47] <elfy> so we'll need another package
[22:47] <knome> and somebody to set that up
[22:48] <mrkramps> and i have to purge it
[22:48] <GridCube> and no one will
[22:48] <elfy> or help others learn how to
[22:48] <knome> as well as all the things related to that (which i don't understand)
[22:48] <GridCube> ?
[22:48] <elfy> GridCube: how about we focus on what we CAN do now, and worry about tomorrow then
[22:48] <elfy> I couldn't wire a jumbo jet up till I learnt how
[22:49] <elfy> my plan is to make Unit193 go grey before me :p
[22:49] <GridCube> its just really tiring elfy
[22:49] <knome> another thing that somewhat worries me is that you want another way to tell people how to install packages while the documentation already does that
[22:50] <GridCube> and?
[22:50] <Unit193> elfy: Already had some random whites.
[22:50] <GridCube> redundancy is good in this case
[22:50] <elfy> GridCube: yea I know what you mean, but if people like you and I don't do the things that we think others might like, who else will
[22:51] <knome> GridCube, redundancy means more things to maintain, eg. more time to be used to maintain the stuff, not create new
[22:51] <elfy> unless it's adding something
[22:51] <GridCube> yes
[22:52] <knome> sure.
[22:52] <elfy> that is for people who don't want to read loads of things if the basics are graspable with a shove in the right direction
[22:52] <GridCube> i have to repeat then: so it makes no sense to try to do something because we wont have any help to get it done, got it
[22:52] <elfy> at that point it IS worth it
[22:52] <knome> elfy, which is why i'm asking - could a more graphical chapter in the documentation do the same thing?
[22:52] <GridCube> no
[22:52] <GridCube> because people dont go to docuemtation in the first place
[22:52] <elfy> I don't think it's even close knome
[22:53] <elfy> GridCube: and that's not why I think that
[22:53] <knome> GridCube, then let me ask my second question again... how do we make people go to the documentation?
[22:53] <elfy> they are 2 different ways of promulgating the information imo
[22:54] <GridCube> knome: we change the reality of the world,or we add a slideshow that points people to it
[22:55] <GridCube> the information we would want in the slideshow is already on the documentation, we would just make it visible and spark the suer interest on it, so they can go and keep reading if they feel the need
[22:56] <elfy> GridCube: that ^^
[22:57] <elfy> perhaps the way to approach this is for GridCube and me to go and make a working *slideshow* then go from there
[22:57] <elfy> we have 2 cycles
[22:59] <knome> what's the plan B if it's not possible to include it in the next LTS because of some limitation, be it lack of time or technical problems?
[23:00] <GridCube> if its an html slideshow it could go on the website and have a link from whiskers to it?
[23:00] <knome> and before you go too deep in anything, have a quick chat with slickymaster and the technical people on the channel to discuss what they think of this, how they would like it to be executed, and if it's technically doable within some timeframe
[23:00] <elfy> Plan B would be to make sure that -team thinks it is a good long term thing for Xubuntu to have and it comes when it comes
[23:01] <knome> then let's make sure that is involved with plan A....
[23:01] <knome> but i was talking about a technical plan B :)
[23:02] <knome> GridCube, potentially, though it would likely need some changes on the website code
[23:02] <elfy> knome: who knows, at the moment it's an idea, a useful one imo and I'm happy to put time to it
[23:03] <knome> as i said, you should talk with david
[23:03] <elfy> yep
[23:03] <elfy> I can
[23:04] <knome> another thing to consider is how it would overlap with the slideshow, and the tour on the website
[23:04] <knome> (which is currently another kind of tour....)
[23:05] <GridCube> i think it being hosted on the website should be a secondary option, i would like for people to have it witouth internet access
[23:05] <GridCube> like docs
[23:08] <elfy> then it has to be on the install
[23:08] <elfy> GridCube: I really think that the best way forward is for us to get a working idea together
[23:08] <elfy> then we can put it to -team as a proposal
[23:09] <elfy> then we find what needs to be done and dealt with
[23:09] <elfy> otherwise we get into a protracted session of working out when and where we do things, without actually doing anything
[23:10] <elfy> until other people have something in front of them it is just words and ideas :)
[23:10] <GridCube> right
[23:10] <GridCube> agreed
[23:11] <elfy> GridCube: ok - cool
[23:12] <elfy> please remember though that release is in 2 weeks or so, and I'm going to be all :( for a bit
[23:12] <knome> elfy, just ":(" ?
[23:12] <elfy> was being positive :)
[23:12] <knome> :)
[23:13] <elfy> GridCube: how about you think about the order of what we look at, and how we can communicate together on it - maybe trello or ...
[23:13] <knome> elfy, a leading question!! :P
[23:14] <elfy> heh
[23:14] <GridCube> i never understood how trello works
[23:14] <GridCube> but im willing to try it again
[23:14] <elfy> it's just a whiteboard you can scribble on, move things about
[23:15] <elfy> it's as complicated as you make it
[23:15] <elfy> GridCube: we can do the communicating anyway you want, makes no difference to me
[23:15] <elfy> just not IRC - timezones ...
[23:16] <GridCube> mails sound razonable to me
[23:16] <elfy> GridCube: it's YOUR project, I'm just giving you my time and thoughts ;)
[23:16] <elfy> ok - wfm
[23:16] <GridCube> :)
[23:17] <elfy> one thing though
[23:17] <GridCube> perfect
[23:17] <GridCube> say
[23:17] <elfy> can we work out first how many *pages* give them names
[23:17] <elfy> then only talk about *foo* on the foo mail - I thread them here
[23:18] <GridCube> mmhm, or maybe one of those ubuntu pads we can edit each other so if someone else wants to join or see they have it available
[23:19] <elfy> possible
[23:19] <GridCube> i can create one of those right now
[23:19] <elfy> but again we need to have pad per *page*
[23:19] <GridCube> maybe a main one and then them separated
[23:20] <knome> or one pad with separators
[23:20] <elfy> there can be a general one to index others and to get the general direction sorted
[23:20] <knome> (just an idea, it would be much more accessible, considering the pages are short)
[23:20] <GridCube> mmhm i like knome's idea
[23:20] <knome> also easier to follow the big picture
[23:21] <GridCube> we start with one and see if we need more as time comes
[23:21] <elfy> ok - well never done that nor set it up
[23:27] <GridCube> http://pad.ubuntu.com/1Ki6doF41F
[23:28] <knome> btw, for the future,
[23:28] <knome> you can have a named pad
[23:28] <knome> just go to http://pad.ubuntu.com/any-name and it'll ask to create any-name for you
[23:28] <GridCube> ah
[23:28] <GridCube> welp, too late now
[23:29] <knome> well you can just create a new one
[23:29] <knome> and dismiss that :P
[23:29] <knome> if you want, that is
[23:29] <elfy> GridCube: copy paste for the win :)
[23:30] <elfy> knome: what do you mean by pad seperators?
[23:31] <elfy> GridCube: slow down a moment
[23:31] <knome> elfy, add a few blank lines, then drop a line of --------------------------'s
[23:31] <knome> elfy, you can even make that bold and uncolor it so it pops out more
[23:32] <knome> or make them –––––'s and bold
[23:32] <knome> so they'll look like a unified line..
[23:32] <elfy> GridCube: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-install-slides
[23:32] <elfy> knome: oh right
[23:32] <elfy> I thought there was a way to have multiple pads linked ...
[23:32] <knome> oh, nope
[23:33] <knome> at least not how we're doing it
[23:33] <knome> but that's another topic...
[23:33] <elfy> :)
[23:34] <elfy> GridCube: I would make that page a general discussion, you can go to http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-install-slides_1
[23:35] <elfy> and make that just discussion on slide 1
[23:35] <elfy> it will get very confusing otherwise
[23:35] <GridCube> sure i just wanted to have an overview in the first place
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-nl | [08:09] <addk> Op Ubuntu 14.04 wil ik de meest recente versie (3.2.1) van gLabels (glabels.com) installeren vanuit source. Het lukt me echter niet met de opgegeven commando's op de site van glabels. De sourcecode heeft de naam glabels-3.2.1.tar.xz. terwijl in de documentatie (installing gLabels form source) een commando staat : tar xvfz glabels-2.2.x.tar.gz , die niet juist is. Wie kan mij verder helpen.
[08:10] <OerHeks> gewoon de versienummer invullen ? tar xvfz glabels-3.2.1.tar.gz
[08:11] <addk> OK maar de source code eindigt op .xz en niet op .gz
[08:12] <lordievader> Goede morgen.
[08:13] <lordievader> addk: Recente versie van tar kunnen zelf besluiten waarmee het is gecomprimeerd: tar xvf glabels-3.2.1.tar.xz
[08:13] <OerHeks> addk, ik zie het op sourceforge, tar xvfz glabels-3.2.1.tar.xz
[08:15] <addk> Ik krijg het volgende in de terminal: aad@HPC0710D:~/Downloads$ tar xvfz glabels-3.2.1.tar.xz gzip: stdin: not in gzip format tar: Child returned status 1 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now aad@HPC0710D:~/Downloads$ tar xvfz glabels-3.2.1.tar.gz tar (child): glabels-3.2.1.tar.gz: Functie open() is mislukt: Bestand of map bestaat niet tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error i
[08:16] <lordievader> addk: Haal de -z eens weg.
[08:17] <lordievader> Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1168/
[08:17] <addk> Nu gebeurt er iets.
[08:18] <OerHeks> een tar kan je prima dubbel klikken, dan opent deze zich in fileroller
[08:20] <addk> na .\configure krijg ik na een tijdje foutmelding: configure: error: Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.21 or later. Hoe los ik dit nu weer op.
[08:23] <lordievader> Door te doen wat ie zegt?
[08:24] <lordievader> Is intltool uberhaupt geinstaleerd?
[08:24] <lordievader> 0.51 zit in de repos.
[08:24] <OerHeks> .. trusty heeft intltool 0.50.2-2
[08:24] <OerHeks> welke ubuntu gebruik je, addk ?
[08:25] <addk> ubuntu 14.04 oerheks
[08:25] <lordievader> OerHeks: I stand corrected.
[08:26] <addk> Zag net in softwarecenter dat inttool niet geinstalleerd is, dit ga ik nu doen.
[08:29] <addk> Nu krijg ik : configure: error: Package requirements ( glib-2.0 >= 2.28.2 gtk+-3.0 >= 3.0.9 libxml-2.0 >= 2.7.8 librsvg-2.0 >= 2.32.0 ) were not met: No package 'gtk+-3.0' found No package 'librsvg-2.0' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. Alternatively, you may set the environment variables GLABELS_CFLAGS and GLABELS_LIBS to avoid the need to call
[08:30] <addk> In softwarecenter kan gtk+-3.0 niet vinden. Hoe kan ik deze verkrijgen.
[08:32] <lordievader> addk: Gebruik a.u.b. http://paste.ubuntu.com om console output te posten.
[08:33] <addk> Ok lordievader zal ik doen.
[08:34] <lordievader> Mogelijk is dat 'libgtk3.0-cil-dev'.
[08:34] <lordievader> Je wilt ook 'librsvg2-dev' installeren.
[08:35] <addk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10780770/
[08:35] <OerHeks> libgtk-3-dev denk ik ( v 3.12.2-0ubuntu15.2 )
[08:36] <lordievader> Ah, ja. Dat zal wel.
[08:37] <OerHeks> listig om dit uit te zoeken :-(
[08:38] <lordievader> Ach, je moet er wat handigheid in krijgen.
[08:38] <lordievader> In dit soort gevallen is portage heel fijn :D
[08:38] <addk> En nu nog librsvg-2.0, ook niet als zodanig te vinden in softwarecenter.
[08:39] <lordievader> addk: Gebruik een package manager, niet het software centre.
[08:40] <addk> package manager is nieuw voor mij
[08:41] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install synaptic # fijne gedetailleerde package manager
[08:41] <OerHeks> zeer nuttig om eens in te bladeren, je komt dan vaak extra opties tegen voor software.
[08:42] <lordievader> Softwarecentrum laat software zien. Package managers laten packages zien.
[08:44] <jpjacobs> Ja dat vraag ik me dus ook af eh, waarom laat het software center niet alle packages zien?
[08:45] <jpjacobs> Wou onlangs bij mijn schoonouders eens laten zien hoe makkelijk ubuntu was; skype installeren etc ... on-vind-baar
[08:45] <jpjacobs> (uiteraard na de partner repositories toe te voegen eh)
[08:46] <OerHeks> vreemd, ook na sudo apt-get update ?
[08:46] <OerHeks> of reload lists
[08:46] <jpjacobs> achteraf dan maar apt-cache search skype; apt-get install skype gedaan
[08:47] <jpjacobs> ja ja (doet ie ook automatisch als je via de GUI de repo's aanpast)
[08:48] <jpjacobs> hoedanook, volgende keer maar synaptic doen gebruiken, en software center buiten trappen
[08:48] <addk> Hoe kan ik screenshots hier posten. Ik heb een vraag over synaptic
[08:48] <OerHeks> http://imgur.com/
[08:51] <addk> http://imgur.com/GubcmKH wat moet ik met deze melding?
[08:52] <lordievader> addk: Maak van dat commando 'gksudo synaptic'.
[08:56] <addk> Het is gelukt, heb librsvg-2.0 gevonden en nu aan het installeren.
[09:18] <addk> librsvg2 geinstalleerd en krijg zelfde foutmelding : No package 'librsvg-2.0' found. Waarschijnlijk PC opnieuw opstarten?
[09:19] <lordievader> librsvg2 != librsvg2-dev
[09:20] <Fermata> lordievader: en nu in Nederlands? :p
[09:20] <lordievader> In Linux hoef je zelden te restarten. Ook al doen de Ubuntu forums je anders vermoeden.
[09:20] <lordievader> Dat je librsvg2-dev moet installeeren :P
[09:24] <addk> OK lordievader. In http://paste.ubuntu.com/10780770/ stond namelijk librsvg2 dus ik dahct dat ik deze moest hebben.
[09:25] <lordievader> addk: Als je dingen wilt compilen moet je normaliter de -dev packages hebben.
[09:33] <addk> Update van gLabels nu helemaal gelukt. Bedankt voor de hulp lordievader en oerheks !
[09:33] <lordievader> No problem ;)
[09:34] <OerHeks> addk, have fun
[15:10] <pietttt> hallo, mijn wine programma werkt niet
[15:11] <lordievader> Oke...
[15:11] <lordievader> Iets meer info misschien?
[15:11] <lordievader> Anders is het de stand van de maan :P
[15:12] <pietttt> nvm
[15:12] <pietttt> het doet het al
[15:13] <pietttt> heb het al gefixed
[15:13] <pietttt> bedankt
[18:03] <oldsk00l> jhej kan ik met cryptsetup ook disk dicht gooien, en dan met wondpws weer open maken ?
[18:03] <oldsk00l> wondpws is windows
[18:04] <lordievader> Denk het niet. Tenzij je een encryptie methode gebruikt die ze beide praten.
[18:09] <oldsk00l> oke toevallig nog tips
[18:10] <oldsk00l> wand las namelijk dat cryptsetup zowel met linux als met windows werkt
[18:10] <oldsk00l> maar dat je alleen doxbox nodig hebt of zoiets
[18:12] <lordievader> Truecrypt was door beide gesupport, maar is nu in een ietwat vreemde staat.
[18:13] <oldsk00l> lordievader: die is helemaal clean verlkaart
[18:13] <oldsk00l> heeft zoon hoge cryptie bedrijf naar gegeken
[18:13] <lordievader> Klopt, maar heb je de Web site gezien?
[18:15] <oldsk00l> nope
[18:15] <oldsk00l> zie het
[18:15] <oldsk00l> maar bitlocker is ook niet echt vielig of zo
[18:16] <oldsk00l> die kunnen ze ook uitlezen doormiddel van mmory dump
[18:16] <lordievader> Dat kunnen ze met nagenoeg iedere encryptie flavour wel.
[18:18] <oldsk00l> oke dus beste is om iets te gebruiken als Vanish
[18:21] <oldsk00l> help
[18:22] <oldsk00l> lol sorry was niet voor hier bedoelt
[21:08] <MichaelTiebesl> hoi allemaal | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.438462 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-us-mi | [00:15] <gamerchick02> hello party people
[00:20] <rick_h_> party
[00:29] <gamerchick02> how's CHC? i cleaned and called my mom and now i'm watching Nature.
[00:30] <gamerchick02> also i'm tired right now too so going out is like not going to work for me (work's been taking whatever energy i have and sucking it out of me :( )
[01:25] <cmaloney> CHC is going we..
[01:50] <cmaloney> well, even
[11:48] <cmaloney> morning
[11:51] <rick_h_> morn
[12:55] <SneakyPhil> good morning
[12:56] <SneakyPhil> I have a question not specifically about linux, but dealing with people
[12:57] <SneakyPhil> Throughout my env I have been using saltstack for config management etc for months now
[12:57] <SneakyPhil> the other week the IT director decided that we need to jump onto the chef wagon because another company we work with uses it
[12:58] <SneakyPhil> Has anyone ever needed to rip out something that has been working well to replace it with esssentially the same thing?
[12:58] <cmaloney> Have you played with Chef at all?
[12:58] <SneakyPhil> I have been, yes. To me it's not as good feeling as writing salt states
[12:59] <cmaloney> But to answer your question: Yep, been there multiple times
[12:59] <cmaloney> What's your relationship with the IT director?
[13:00] <SneakyPhil> "sneakyphil is the guy who does the linux things and plays jesus for me"
[13:01] <SneakyPhil> my developers have taken saltstack upon themselves for their own projects even
[13:02] <cmaloney> Then you need to talk
[13:02] <cmaloney> show him what the differences are and why Chef might not fit
[13:02] <cmaloney> Have an adult conversation about it. :)
[13:02] <SneakyPhil> heh
[13:02] <SneakyPhil> thank you
[13:03] <SneakyPhil> to powerpoint
[13:03] * SneakyPhil away
[13:03] <cmaloney> Well, you don't necessarily need powerpoint
[13:03] <cmaloney> just a simple "here's what we're currently doin,g and here's why Chef might not be a good fit"
[14:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: hah love http://www.jorgecastro.org/2015/04/09/keeping-your-options-open
[14:26] <jcastro> :D
[14:51] <cmaloney> jcastro: Nice.
[14:52] <cmaloney> I'm continually amazed that HP is a footnote in cloud
[14:52] <cmaloney> I hear more about Microsoft cloud services than HP
[14:52] <jrwren> cmaloney: might appreciate this
[14:52] <jrwren> Armageddon Dildos into Rachmaninov
[14:52] <cmaloney> on orders of magnatude
[14:52] <jrwren> THAT IS A TRANSITION
[14:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: that is because HPs cloud really sucks.
[14:53] <cmaloney> jrwren: Sounds like a great covers album
[14:53] <cmaloney> ;)
[14:53] <cmaloney> jrwren: What blessed you with that transition?
[14:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: hahaha, no covers, just a jolting transition.
[14:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: itunes random
[14:54] <jrwren> cmaloney: from "My Top Rated"
[14:54] <cmaloney> jrwren: Seriously though, how hard could it be to just be a provider of cloud boxes
[14:54] <cmaloney> jrwren: gah, that seems inevitable then (re: transitions)
[14:54] <cmaloney> Rachmaninov is one of my favorite composers / performers.
[14:54] <jrwren> cmaloney: its HP. "Seriously though, how hard could it be" and then messing up is what they've done for the past 20yrs in IT.
[14:55] <jrwren> cmaloney: this rachmaninov I got by your recommendation. its DSO performing
[14:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: Ah, nice.
[14:55] <jrwren> Symphony No 2
[14:55] <cmaloney> That's a great album
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2015-04-09-#ubuntu-pt | [03:00] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[20:57] <astroo-> ola pessoal | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.446240 | 2015-04-09T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-15-#ubuntu-ir | [15:51] <winamp> سلام
[15:51] <winamp> کسی هست؟
[15:52] <winamp> من در مورد نصب درایور adb & fastboot کمک میخوام
[15:53] <winamp> من کاربر ویندوز هستم والان میخوام درایورو روی ubuntu 14 نصب کنم
[15:54] <winamp> ایا راهی هست ک مثل ویندوز با کیلیک کزدن نصب کرد یا باید حتما با ترمینال نصب کرد؟
[17:50] <eXtrem0us> سلام دوستان
[17:50] <eXtrem0us> سایتی هست که آزمون نوشتن regex ازمون بگیره؟ یعنی توانایی خودمون رو تو نوشتن regex درش امتحان کنیم.
[18:21] <Azitrex> eXtrem0us, yes
[18:21] <Azitrex> salam
[18:22] <eXtrem0us> Azitrex: Hi! | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.453361 | 2015-04-15T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-15-#ubuntu-us-or | [18:19] <sbeattie> sgclark: around? Any chance you could fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1440501 ?
[18:27] <sgclark> sbeattie: yofel is already dealing with the akonadi mess
[18:27] <sgclark> it is in good hands
[18:31] <sbeattie> sgclark: well, the current version in vivid-proposed that he uploaded won't fix that bug.
[18:31] <sbeattie> but if he's got additional stuff in the pipeline, then great.
[18:32] <sgclark> sbeattie: mind if I direct him to you? my hands are full atm and I do not want to step on toes
[18:32] <sbeattie> sgclark: sure, is he in #kubuntu-devel? I can poke there.
[18:32] <sgclark> sbeattie: yep :)
[18:37] <sbeattie> sgclark: thanks. I asked you first, since I think it was your merge from debian that disabled the override_dh_installinit debian/rules target, and wondered if there was a specific reason why.
[18:47] <sgclark> sbeattie: this is interesting, because I am looking at my merge files now and that dh_installinit is not disabled. Somewhere in the pipelines it happened.. but not with my initial merge.
[18:52] <sbeattie> hunh, weird. | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.455825 | 2015-04-15T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-15-#ubuntu-se | [07:44] <AZOKEH> hej, AZOKEH här.
[07:45] <andol> AZOKEH: Godagens
[07:45] <maxjezy> Tjena andol , det är bara jag.
[07:46] <andol> Ah
[07:46] <maxjezy> Lurades lite med er.
[07:47] <maxjezy> Helt fantastiskt vad snabb en dator jag köpte blev med linux ubuntu lubuntu.
[07:47] <maxjezy> alltså, i jämförelse med hur den var innan
[07:48] <maxjezy> det tog flera minuter att starta webbläsaren och en minut att öppna en ny flik osv.
[07:48] <maxjezy> men sen tog det bara fåtal sekuner med linux
[07:48] <maxjezy> windows 7 är inte så optimerat för att funka på sämre datorer
[07:49] <maxjezy> märker av hur min i7 och andra okej specs knappt räcker till ibland
[08:02] <madbear_> maxjezy: så det låter så nu? :D
[08:03] <maxjezy> madbear_: ja, alltså på min duktiga dator så är det ju inga problem, program startar snabbt osv men jag vet ju att linux är snabbare även på denna.
[08:03] <maxjezy> men windows 8 spöar allt på min hårdvara
[08:04] <maxjezy> men på gamm-dator som inte har så bra kylning och på sin tid inte förväntades spela upp HD film via internet osv
[08:04] <maxjezy> då gör linux stor skillnad
[08:04] <maxjezy> jag köpte en HP med dock-station för några hundralappar
[08:26] <HeMan> synd bara att det inte går använda windows 8 till något då...
[11:18] <andol> Barre, HeMan och övriga: Ska det till att dricka release-öl nästa vecka? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-se/2015-April/006301.html
[11:25] <maxjezy> andol: näj, ska man dricka öl varje gång det är release av något slag så kan man inte längre ursäkta sitt beteende
[12:07] <Barre> andol: inte helt omöjligt =)
[12:11] <maxjezy> gta 5 hade ju release igår så idag är nog många bakfull
[12:16] <andol> Barre: Öl är bra för dig :)
[12:17] <Barre> true
[12:17] <ePax> Mjölk dödarmså drick öl :D
[12:17] <ePax> dödar så*
[12:18] <Barre> varför är mitt skrivbord alltid så stökigt?
[12:19] <Amoz> Barre, varför är vatten blött? ;)
[12:19] <Barre> Amoz: lite så känns det, men varför plockar jag inte undan det jag inte jobbar med?
[12:20] <Barre> eller... jag kanske jobbar med för många projekt samtidigt? så är det, jag startar projekt men avslutar dem aldrig..
[12:20] <HeMan> Barre: för att du tänkt jobba lite till med det senare?
[12:20] <Barre> det är nog det som är problemet.
[12:21] <maxjezy> Barre: ett rop på hjälp? dålig organisation? inte så önskvärt arbetsflöde som du kunde haft?
[12:21] <HeMan> Barre: jag försökte kolla upp vad jag har i mitt arbetsrum
[12:21] <HeMan> Barre: noterade att det jag saknade som mest var ordning...
[12:21] <Barre> maxjezy: arbetsbordet är tomt och fint, detta gäller mitt privata hobby-bord i källaren
[12:22] <Barre> HeMan: :)
[12:22] <maxjezy> Barre: jag tror det har med någon händelse i barndomen att göra
[12:22] <Barre> mm
[12:23] <Amoz> Barre, testa å sätta upp en sån där lapp ovanför skrivbordet, "Din mamma jobbar inte här!"
[12:23] <Amoz> då kanske hustomten ser till å städa upp efter sig
[20:21] <falseubot> Hej
[20:22] <falseubot> Någon som sett till realubot?
[20:23] <madbear_> falseubot: nope
[20:29] <falseubot> Suck :(
[20:29] <falseubot> Han måste ha dött.
[20:29] <falseubot> Sorgligt.
[20:34] <falseubot> Jag har ett brandsäkert kassaskåp hemma. Det klarar enligt ett brandtest att hålla temperaturen inuti maximalt på 120 grader C upp till två timmar under en allvarlig brand som härjar runt omkring skåpet. Väggarna är verkligen tjocka och det känns verkligen oerhört robust. Jag förvarar en massa 2,5"-hårddiskar där inne, samt lite papper. Jag är do
[20:34] <falseubot> ck rädd för diskarna ska förstöras vid en brand, för enligt deras speccar gillar de inte att förvaras i typ över 60 C. Det står inget om hur mycket de klarar under kortare stundet, som t.ex. en brand på max 2 timmar.
[20:35] <falseubot> Jag har letat hur länge som helst efter någon form av värme- och vattentålig filt eller påse eller låda som jag kan stoppa dem i, och sedan stoppa i det brandsäkra kassaskåpet, men hittar inget.
[20:35] <falseubot> Alla lådor jag hittar (som inte alls finns i Sverige, verkar det som) är lite för stora för att få rum.
[20:36] <falseubot> Fritt utrymme: 36 x 16 x 24 cm (bredd x höjd x djup)
[20:36] <falseubot> Har någon något vettigt förslag? | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.469732 | 2015-04-15T00:00:00 | {
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2015-04-15-#ubuntu-ru | [10:12] <SergeyIT> test
[10:24] <[Green]> re
[10:24] <[Green]> кто тут?
[10:27] <SergeyIT> никого, даже бота нет
[10:28] <JohnDoe_71Rus> кто нибудь вешал аппаратные ключи HASP на линукс?
[16:02] <froover> Кто сможет помочь, с установкой OS X в Virtualbox, хостовая Ubuntu 14.04?
[16:02] <froover> пробовал по этой инструкции
[16:02] <froover> http://az-programming.blogspot.ru/2014/06/os-x-mavericks-virtualbox.html
[16:02] <froover> но, там сказанно, мол сконвертируйте образ dmg в vdi, и ставьте с него. Но в качестве загрузочного носителя vbox отказывается принимать vdi, а если подключить как просто HDD, процес запуска не происходит. "Вижу экран с командной строкой" что означает, установочн
[16:02] <froover> ый носитель не видит система.
[16:02] <froover> OS X Mavericks VirtualBox 4.3.26
[16:05] <froover> Образ взят отсюда http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4690725
[16:05] <froover> как я понял, автор советует именно его
[16:05] <froover> Был бы нормальный контакт автора, обратился бы к нему
[16:07] <mad> с флешки ставишь?
[16:08] <froover> нет конечно, я делаю как сказанно, в инструкции http://az-programming.blogspot.ru/2014/06/os-x-mavericks-virtualbox.html
[16:08] <froover> если конечно я её правильно понимаю
[16:08] <froover> там сказанно, что бы устанавливали с образа vdi
[16:08] <mad> я с флешки ставил
[16:08] <froover> который предварительно надо получить из dmg
[16:08] <froover> я получил
[16:08] <mad> я так не извращался
[16:08] <froover> но не смог установить
[16:08] <froover> с флешки ставить в виртуальную машину?
[16:09] <froover> и это по твоему не изврат?
[16:09] <mad> не на вирт
[16:09] <froover> мм
[16:09] <froover> интересует только на вирт
[16:09] <mad> как основную систему
[16:09] <froover> причём, не хочу ставить другую виртуалку ради мака
[16:11] <froover> Я вообще ни как не могу понять, почему в Virtualbox есть якобы штатная возможность выбрать MAC, то есть поддержка OS X есть, но просто так поставить всё равно ни как...
[16:11] <mad> попробуй записать образ на флешку и в качестве загрузочного носителя выбери ее
[16:12] <mad> только dmg не меняй
[16:13] <froover> mad: Всмысле, положить dmg образ на флешку как есть, и выставить флешке флаг boot?
[16:13] <mad> нет
[16:13] <froover> а не, я не смогу, у меня нет "человеческой" флешке обьёмом больше 4 гб
[16:14] <mad> 4 должно хватить вроде
[16:14] <froover> есть не человеческая, от Silicon Power, НИКОГДА не покупайте Silicon power
[16:14] <mad> у меня 4 года она отпахала
[16:14] <mad> тут дело случая
[16:15] <froover> mad: не важно сколько отпахает. В моём случае её как носитель не видит ни один биос или uefi мира
[16:15] <froover> а так ОС видят
[16:15] <froover> можно файлы копировать и переносить
[16:15] <froover> продавец, послал на три буквы трижды
[16:15] <froover> а сама силикон повер не ответила на моё письмо
[16:15] <froover> российское представительство
[16:15] <mad> странно может просто в биосе настройки поправить надо
[16:16] <froover> НИ ОДИН БИОС МИРА
[16:16] <froover> проверялось на разных поколениях ПК
[16:16] <froover> около 10 компов использовалось
[16:16] <mad> хз хз
[16:16] <froover> от самых старых
[16:16] <froover> до новеньких
[16:20] <froover> вопрос с Virtualbox и OS X актуален
[16:20] <mad> http://www.ithowto.ru/429-konvertirovanie-dmg-v-iso-v-ubuntu.html
[16:21] <mad> попробуй в iso загнать и записать через ультра исо
[16:21] <mad> на флеш
[16:31] <mad> помогло?
[16:32] <froover> mad: пока нет, тулза работать отказывается, видимо баг в статье
[16:32] <mad> какая?
[16:33] <mad> у тебя ось какая?
[16:36] <froover> mad: Сижу спокойно раздаю образ dmg на торрентах, а утилита dmg2img
[16:36] <froover> говорит: ERROR: dmg image is corrupted
[16:36] <froover> хостовая ubuntu 14.04.2 x64, проц intel i7
[16:36] <mad> ща скачает посмотрю
[16:37] <froover> mad мне в общем то не срочно, поэтому в случае чего, я готов скачать и другой образ, главное знать что делать .а не просто так до бесконечности перебирать раздачи
[16:37] <mad> тебе его в iso pfgbkbnm ghjcnj yflj b j,hfp pfgbcfnm yf akti
[16:38] <mad> блять
[16:38] <mad> в исо запилить и на флеш записать
[16:38] <froover> mad ругаешься и повторяешься
[16:39] <froover> mad: успокойся,
[16:39] <froover> я же говорю утилита этот образ отказывается конвертировать
[16:39] <froover> говорит, мол повреждён, а это мало вероятно, я его раздаю на торренте,
[16:40] <froover> но я думаю, ты ошибаешься, что на флеш надо записывать. virtualbox прекрасно грузится из iso образов, не думаю, что сейчас должно быть какое то исключение
[16:41] <froover> тем более запись на флеш невозможно реализовать вринципе, если нет флеш )
[16:41] <mad> а ну тебеж в виртуалку... точно
[16:44] <froover> странно чувак разговаривает как то http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x221nut_mac-os-x-10-9-mavericks-sous-virtualbox-linux-xubuntu-14-04_tech
[16:44] <froover> жаль язык чужд )
[16:47] <froover> как долго говорит, мог бы мордашку свою поставить на весь экран )
[16:50] <froover> попробую этот http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4642820
[17:10] <froover> А вообще на сколько это правомерно устанавливать OS X в Виртуалку?
[17:11] <froover> слышал, что Apple вроде как не хорошо к этому относится
[17:11] <mad> osx на сколько я знаю сделана уже в свободном доступе
[17:12] <mad> те бесплатно ее можно скачать
[17:12] <mad> а юзать только на маке
[17:13] <froover> mad: это то как раз таки не подлежит сомнению
[17:14] <mad> тогда в чем трудности?
[17:15] <froover> mad: Потрясающий вопрос, последний вопрос был исключительно ради любопытства, относительно правомерность OS X на виртуальной машине
[17:16] <froover> mad: Как ты вы мысли не в том режиме, не догадывайтесь, я ребусами не пишу, я пишу как есть, без намёков
[17:16] <mad> я думаю никаких проблемм не должно быть по части правомерного использования
[17:39] <mad> of cltkf.
[17:39] <mad> щас сделаю
[18:43] <flintstone> привет всем! у меня такая дилема, недавно поставил себе адаптер wifi на pci-e c чипом RT5392 использует монолитный модуль rt2800pci, в обшем проблема в том что скорость почти в 3 раза меньше чем должна быть, проверял спидтестом, а заметил эту странность в делуге, обы
[18:52] <froover> flintstone: Дистрибутив?
[18:52] <flintstone> gentoo
[18:52] <froover> flintstone: Вы не задумывались о том, что такое лучше спросить в конференции gentoo? Или вы исключительно ради потролить?
[18:52] <flintstone> сори, я не заметил что в убунту канал написал, но может у когото была подобная проблема?
[18:53] <flintstone> по сути ведь разницы нет..?
[18:53] <GriefNorth> flintstone: разницы нет, но я думаю проблема не в дистрибутиве )
[18:53] <froover> flintstone: Ну как так нет, разница бывает от релиза к релизу одного и того дистрибутива
[18:55] <froover> скажем так, когда мне понадобился модуль (USB) я внимально выяснил, како чип в какой модели, и какой работать будет по умолчанию без проприетарных драйверов, для Ralink как я понял нужны проприетарные драйвера. Просто стоит внимательней быть, когда покупае
[18:55] <froover> те комплектующие
[18:56] <froover> flintstone: а разница есть в способах решения. Что бы разницы не было для того кто помогает, он должен хорошо разбираться с тем что "под капотом" :)
[18:59] <flintstone> я влючил в ядро модуль который отвечает за этот чип, и установиол и установил linux-firmware
[19:02] <froover> flintstone: на будущее, рекомендую модули на чипе Atheros
[19:03] <froover> froover: иногда в зависимости от магазины (если вы купили устройство) можно обмен произвести бесплатно
[19:03] <flintstone> aliexpress :)
[19:04] <froover> flintstone: понятно. Следовало в начале 7 раз отмерить, а потом отрезать, в такой ситуации особенно.
[19:05] <froover> flintstone: но вы не сдавайтесь, возможно не всё потеряно. У меня нет опыта в решении таких проблем, я просто старался их избегать
[19:05] <flintstone> я не пробовал ставить официальный драйвер, пробовал его компилить но выдает ошибку
[19:06] <flintstone> если бы знал, конечно же подумал дважды..
[19:09] <froover> flintstone: ещё для ноутов не плохи карты intel, но они не так часто попадают как Atheros, скорей в основном в сборке с ноутами
[19:10] <froover> flintstone: сейчас как раз я с вами общаюсь, используя wi-fi подключение, модуль беспроводной intel
[19:11] <flintstone> froover: и не уступает проводному интернету?
[19:13] <froover> flintstone: мне трудно ответить на этот вопрос. Интернет 5 мегабит в сек, а по локалке я пока не гонял большие обьёмы, ну точней через ssh пробовал, скорость проседает у любого, просто видимо для этих целей нужно использовать что то другое, там ftp, nfs и так далее.
[19:13] <froover> Но пять мегабит в оба конца, через не дорого роутер, всё отлично.
[19:13] <froover> flintstone: то есть в данном случае не уступает да
[19:14] <flintstone> у меня в венде тоже не уступает
[19:14] <flintstone> 92-95мбит что через провод что через вафляй
[19:16] <froover> flintstone: У нас бубунтах принято так, втыкаем железку, открываем раздел в центре приложений - проприетарные драйвера, и если ОС что то предлагает установить, устанавливаем.
[19:16] <froover> иногда это можно не делать разумеется. не устраивает скорость? не хотите менять железку? Ставьте проприетарный драйвер, очевидно же
[19:18] <flintstone> знаю как у вас, сам был много лет на убунте :)
[19:20] <froover> flintstone: а потом зашёл в комнату убунту по привычке, забыл, что у тебя уже не убунта,
[19:21] <flintstone> у меня тут все каналы в ряд, я не удалял канал из пидгина
[19:23] <froover> flintstone: Ну как там у вас, Unity хоть поставить можно?
[19:23] <froover> flintstone: это рабочий стол DE по умолчанию в убунту
[19:23] <flintstone> можно все что угодно поставить
[19:24] <flintstone> я вообще без рабочего окружения
[19:24] <froover> flintstone: вот тут я на вас смотрю с недоверием, и большим подозрением
[19:24] <flintstone> использую оконный менеджер openbox вместо него.. | ubuntu-chat | 2024-05-13T22:11:12.487085 | 2015-04-15T00:00:00 | {
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