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[05:44] <mjw> Hi. I wanted to post this email to ubuntu-devel: http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2005/08/msg00051.html [05:44] <mjw> About http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam [05:45] <mjw> But it seems stuck in some moderator queue. [05:45] <mjw> If someone could kick it on the list (or a more appropriate ubuntu list if there is one) that would be appreciated.

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2005-08-23-#ubuntu-devel

[12:08] <mdz> hmm, debzilla seems to have stalled [12:09] <mdz> I disabled the cron job, apparently [12:11] <doko> oh, does this mean, we get all the RC reports from unstable? [12:12] <Mithrandir> well, bed. [12:15] <mjg59> mdz: Is there a more correct way of requesting a sync from Debian than just asking elmo on IRC? [12:17] <elmo> if it's a new upstream version and in main, mail mdz, cc me. if it's not, irc is fine, fallback on irc if I miss it [12:17] <elmo> meh s/on irc/on email/ [12:17] <elmo> and I'm missing a lot ATM, thanks to apple being the worst company in the world EVAH [12:19] <doko> elmo: may I fall back to irc as well? ;) [12:20] <elmo> not at 11 o'clock at night, you can't no. well you can try, but I retain rights to ignore you [12:21] <doko> heh, I tried earlier as well ;) [12:23] <mjg59> elmo: Ok - it would be good to get hotkey-setup from Debian once the new version is in the archive [12:24] <elmo> mjg59: ok, irc syncs definitely only work if I can sync it _right now_ ;-) pls mail and I'll deal with it when it appears [12:25] <doko> elmo: syncs from unstable to make anastacia happy: aspell-br 0.50-2-6 / ispellcat 0.4-4 / dutch 1:0.1e-37 / python-numeric (23.8-4), python-numarray (1.3.2-2) [12:26] <doko> elmo: universe: python-extclass python-tz umfpack libghemical [12:27] <ajmitch> elmo: sync clamav (UVF, but is security fix) please :) [12:27] <elmo> eh, I synced clamav already today [12:27] <mjg59> elmo: Ok, no problem [12:28] <ajmitch> elmo: ah, thanks [12:37] <mjg59> mdz: Does Colony 3 have restricted drivers in the installer? [12:37] <mdz> mjg59: not unless someone did it without my noticing [12:37] <mjg59> mdz: Ok [12:52] <jdub> see what happens when a new colony CD is announced! stop that! [12:54] <elmo> or that could be debzilla being turned back on ... [12:56] <jdub> that's way less exciting [12:56] <jdub> now you get to drink from THE FIRE HOSE! [01:00] <mjg59> ogra: gnome-power-manager still doesn't seem to do much... [01:03] <doko> mjg59: usually windows tools with "power" in it's name dont't do much either ;) [01:04] <mjg59> doko: ? [01:06] <robitaille> jdub: it's the debzilla effect (now up to 310; maybe I should unsubscribe from ubuntu-bugs...) [01:07] <Nafallo> jdub: have we got our mailinglist yet?! :-D [01:09] <mjg59> Oh, yeah, can we have a laptop team mailing list? [01:10] <jdub> Nafallo: today - i fell asleep as soon as i got home last night [01:10] <jdub> mjg59: oh, you have one [01:10] <jdub> mjg59: i sent you and claire the admin details [01:11] <mjg59> jdub: Oh, do we? [01:11] <mjg59> I don't think I got a mail from you [01:11] <Nafallo> jdub: :-) [01:12] <mjg59> jdub: Could you send it again? I may have accidently deleted it, or something [01:12] <Nafallo> mjg59: manual spam-filter? ;-) [01:16] <ajmitch> another mailing list for me to join? :) [01:21] <elmo> man, there's going to be so many random dpkg questions again for hoary -> breezy [01:23] <Keybuk> *nods* [01:23] <Keybuk> daniels caused a lot of them ;) [01:24] <mpt_> So, there's the main cdimage server, that has Colony but won't give it [01:24] <mpt_> and the US mirror, that's nice and fast, but doesn't have Colony 3 yet [01:25] <elmo> uh, it doesn't? [01:25] <elmo> oh, yeah it won't [01:25] <elmo> we only trigger releases [01:25] <elmo> I should probably fix that [01:30] <Keybuk> I still want to know whether this iz gtk bug or iz xkb bug [01:58] <carstenh_> is there a standard way for changing /etc/network/interfaces in debian/ubuntu from a package maintainer script? [01:59] <carstenh_> (it's not a conffile) [02:06] <carstenh_> and what is the standard way for endusers to configure their network? i don't use a standard-installation :/ [02:06] <HrdwrBoB> using network-admin [02:06] <carstenh_> ok, thanks [02:44] <elmo> christ on a stick, is there something like xmms (not rhythmbox), that doesn't use freaking GTK 1 file chooser dialogs? [02:44] <elmo> very preferably in hoary [02:45] <mgalvin> bmp maybe, not sure though [02:45] <whiprush_> beep-media-player [02:46] <Keybuk> mdz: so I've been looking at that annoying "eth0 can't be mapped reliably" warning [02:46] <Keybuk> elmo: muine? [02:48] <Keybuk> basically it looks like it always moans if you try and ifrename eth0 or wlan0 [02:48] <daniels> elmo: there's an xmms2 that uses gtk2. but upstream are against it. sapping and impurifying our precious bodily fluids. [02:49] <elmo> ... [02:49] <Keybuk> I think we can just add "-t" to the ifrename call in hotplug, but I'm not sure whether that will cause death and destruction or not [02:49] <jdub> yeah, use muine [02:49] <Keybuk> alternatively, we can comment out the warning ;) [02:49] <jdub> it is rad [02:49] <jdub> if you like xmms stylin's [02:50] <jdub> well, sort of [02:50] <jdub> try it anyway [02:50] <elmo> yeah, I'm installing both muine and b-m-p to try [02:50] <infinity> Keybuk : Given that the ifrename run happens before the network comes up, -t /should/ DTRT. [02:50] <Keybuk> infinity: it's whether it runs before the _other_ network interface comes up though, isn't it [02:51] <Keybuk> the manpage claims "this is not compatible with hotplug", but I can't see why [02:52] <carstenh_> i don't like the idea of randomly changing interface names either [02:52] <Keybuk> well, in theory, -t will result in the interface names always matching what iftab says [02:52] <infinity> They can randomly change, depending on when hotplug detects them, or what order the kernel drivers load in, or the phase of the moon, or who knows what. That's the point of ifrename. [02:52] <infinity> Keybuk : Exactly. The only real way to know for sure is to do some testing, I guess. [02:53] <jdub> ifrename punched me in the face the other day [02:53] <infinity> Keybuk : It can't be much worse than the current situation, where half our users will have their interfaces move between hoary and breezy "just cause". [02:54] <Keybuk> jdub: what did it do? [02:54] <jdub> i tried to change iftab, but the kernel just complained about trying to rename each device on top of the other [02:54] <Keybuk> infinity: I've played a bit, and I couldn't futz it [02:54] <jdub> so it never actually did what it was told [02:54] <Keybuk> jdub: ah, see, you _wanted_ this "-t" we're discussing [02:54] <Keybuk> -t is "takeover the interface name and do what I say, not what the kernel says" [02:54] <jdub> oh [02:55] <infinity> And -t is pretty much required on most machines with multiple interfaces. [02:55] <infinity> So, I'm not sure why we weren't already using it. [02:55] <jdub> oh well, the tulip card probably rocks harder than the nvidia one anyway ;) [02:55] <mdz> Keybuk: doesn't -t come with some scary warning attached? [02:55] <mdz> "MAY EAT KITTENS" [02:55] <Keybuk> mdz: -t won't work if the interface name you're trying to steal is already plumbed [02:56] <Keybuk> but we aggressively seed /etc/iftab with every interface, no? [02:56] <mdz> Keybuk: but it will if it exists but is down? [02:56] <mjg59> The death of kittens is necessary [02:56] <Keybuk> mdz: yeah, exists but down is fine [02:56] <mjg59> Otherwise how would they get to heaven? [02:56] <mdz> Keybuk: we seed it at install time, yes [02:56] <Keybuk> I managed to successfully swap my eth0 and ath0 around when playing [02:57] <infinity> (Note that they MUST be down for it to work... So we should ensure that's the case) [02:59] <infinity> ie: Ensure everything listed in iftab is down; then perform swaps, make it atomic (ish). Cause if one interface is up, the whole operation will go tits-up in curious ways (like you may end up with an interface with a completely random name) [02:59] <Keybuk> actually, it's not that random [02:59] <Keybuk> and it goes tits up in curious ways _now_ :p [02:59] <infinity> Not in random ways, though. [03:00] <infinity> "Not renaming the interfaces at all" is a pretty normal behaviour. [03:01] <Keybuk> ya know we run ifrename _after_ hotplug right now? heh [03:01] <infinity> Yes. [03:02] <Keybuk> if we move S40ifrename to S39ifrename, it'll get run before hotplug and networking [03:02] <infinity> And then any interfaces that only exist as a result of hotplug can't get renamed. [03:02] <Keybuk> yeah they can, because hotplug's net.agent calls ifrename [03:02] <Keybuk> (before calling ifup) [03:03] <infinity> Hrm. So, we'd still want/need the -t in the ifrename init script, but could probably skip it in hotplug (since we'd assume any names the hotplug devices conflict with have already been renamed)? [03:03] <Keybuk> exactly [03:04] <infinity> Seems fair. [03:04] <mdz> Keybuk: should we be calling ifrename at boot time at all? [03:04] <mdz> isn't it called by hotplug at the right time? [03:04] <mdz> s/at boot time/from its init script/ [03:04] <Keybuk> if we didn't call its own init script, we couldn't rename interfaces that aren't hotplug [03:05] <infinity> Does hotplug walk all network interfaces and act on them, regardless of their actualy hotplugginess? [03:05] <infinity> s/actualy/actual/ [03:05] <Keybuk> ie. users fannying around adding "auto" stuff [03:05] <Keybuk> infinity: ish. it looks at all interfaces briefly, but only processes ones it thinks it should [03:05] <infinity> Right, then we need the init script. [03:06] <infinity> If it only acts on "mapping=hotplug" ones (or whatever) [03:06] <elmo> [I haven't been following this but:] it'd be kind of nice to not mandate hotplugging of interfaces [03:06] <Keybuk> elmo: indeed [03:09] <Keybuk> ah, we don't need to move the init script [03:09] <Keybuk> it's still before "networking" [03:09] <Keybuk> just make sure that we call it with -t in net.agent and its own init script [03:10] <infinity> I'm pretty sure that's what you said 10 minutes ago. :) [03:10] <Keybuk> that's good then, I'm in agreement with myself [03:14] <Keybuk> ok, that's really confusing now [03:16] <Keybuk> this'd fix #13551 too [03:18] <Keybuk> (as well as #8391 & #10240) [03:19] <Keybuk> mdz: what do you reckon? stick it in now and back it out if anyone screams? [03:20] <mdz> Keybuk: it == -t? [03:20] <Keybuk> yeah [03:20] <Keybuk> I've had an hour of playing of renaming and swapping three interfaces on my laptop, and can't actually make it break [03:20] <Keybuk> actually, that's not true, I made it break by deliberately adding an earlier boot that ifup'd one of them -- but all it did then was said "File exists" and didn't rename either of the two involved [03:22] <mdz> Keybuk: yes, I think that's sane [03:22] <mdz> in fact I think we discussed this late in hoary as a thing to do for breezy [03:26] <daniels> mdz: makedepend needs NEWing before Mesa can build, as does the libdrm I'm uploading now [03:28] <jdub> daniels: are all the metapackage dependencies working to have xkb work by default now? it works on my desktop but not on my laptop... [03:29] <infinity> jdub : Was your laptop upgraded through several broken breezy upgrades, or a hoary->recentBreezy upgrade? [03:29] <jdub> several breezy upgrades [03:29] <jdub> i'm all about the devel branch, man [03:29] <infinity> jdub : If you stepped through the many broken breezies, that's known to be problematic, and Daniel's mail to -devel/-users gave some hints about what to do to unbreak it. [03:29] <jdub> hrm, pretty sure i did that [03:30] <jdub> daniels: btw, with mgp: [03:30] <jdub> imake -DUseInstalled -I/etc/X11/config/cf [03:30] <jdub> In file included from /etc/X11/config/cf/Imake.tmpl:47, [03:30] <jdub> from Imakefile.c:35: [03:30] <jdub> /etc/X11/config/cf/site.def:44: error: host.def: No such file or directory [03:30] <jdub> In file included from /etc/X11/config/cf/linux.cf:1085, [03:30] <jdub> from /etc/X11/config/cf/Imake.tmpl:106, [03:30] <jdub> from Imakefile.c:35: [03:30] <jdub> /etc/X11/config/cf/xorg.cf:13: error: date.def: No such file or directory [03:30] <jdub> imake: Exit code 1. [03:30] <jdub> Stop. [03:30] <jdub> [03:31] <infinity> jdub : Yeah, siretart saw that last night building libforms1 too. [03:31] <jdub> aha, was missing lots of files [03:31] <jdub> sorted xkb [03:31] <daniels> yeargh. stupid diff outsmarted me. [03:32] <infinity> jdub : Missed the "--force-confmiss" step? [03:32] <jdub> yeah [03:32] <daniels> (it excludes empty files, and doesn't tell you about it) [03:35] <daniels> jdub: fix uploaded; itmt, just touch /etc/X11/config/cf/{host,date}.def [03:36] <jdub> daniels: thanks! [03:37] <jdub> d'oh, build failure anyway ;) [03:37] <jdub> draw.o: In function `xft_getdraw': [03:37] <jdub> draw.c:(.text+0x2904): undefined reference to `XftDrawCreate' [03:39] <daniels> jdub: sounds like it's wanting -lXft. which package is this? [03:40] <jdub> mgp [03:40] <jdub> it has -lXft [03:40] <daniels> jdub: worked for me ... [03:40] <jdub> ah, it had a blank -L before it though [03:40] <jdub> must've short circuited [03:40] <daniels> daniels@brainfreeze:~% objdump -T /usr/lib/libXft.so | egrep 'XftDrawCreate$' [03:41] <daniels> 0000000000008d30 g DF .text 00000000000000ba Base XftDrawCreate [03:41] <daniels> yeah, blank -L's make the baby Jesus cry [03:41] <jdub> once i deleted the -L, it was fine [03:42] <jdub> crap, and it still has the broken fonts -2 had [03:43] <daniels> svgslides is calling you [03:47] <mgalvin> daniels: just a heads up... 7439 is fixed (works for me anyway) [03:49] <Keybuk> it's nice to see people describing when ${random piece of software} will be available by what Ubuntu release it'll turn up in [03:50] <infinity> Keybuk : And what random piece of software are we shipping now? :) [03:51] <Keybuk> they were talking about gtk-using-cairo-and-running-like-a-dog :p [03:53] <TheMuso> Has anybody's 2nd stage install of Breezy colony 3 on i386 frozen at 91%? The message currently being displayed is Downloading files 5 of 6 (0s remaining) [03:55] <TheMuso> On VT 4, it appears that new packages are going to be installed. There is nothing left to download, but it is stuck at 57% and says that it is working. [04:06] <daniels> mgalvin: as in, the nvidia drivers? [04:06] <daniels> mgalvin: what problem were you having in the first place? [04:16] <mdz> elmo: if you're still around, Colin's cron jobs can be re-enabled now [04:25] <Keybuk> /etc/init.d/gdm start ... laptop goes down [04:26] <jdub> hrm [04:27] <jdub> my battery applet is still b0rk [04:27] <jdub> hal bong! [04:27] <Keybuk> ?! "cannot execute binary file" [04:27] <Keybuk> wtf is my laptop on? [04:28] <elmo> mdz: done [04:28] <Keybuk> no, it's not my laptop [04:28] <Keybuk> elmo: the buildds just managed to generate a binary that was all \0 [04:29] <Keybuk> oh, no, wait [04:29] <Keybuk> XFS [04:29] <mgalvin> daniels: its the bug number for the issue i had where with both the installed system and the live cd X would always start up with just a blank screen... i always have to switch to con6 then back to con7 to get the display to work... this problem is fixed with the current x server [04:29] <mgalvin> it starts up normally now [04:30] <mgalvin> on intel i810 graphic chipsets [04:30] <daniels> mgalvin: oh, ok [04:30] <daniels> mgalvin: thanks [04:30] <mgalvin> np [04:45] <krystoff> hi there [04:47] <krystoff> wanna know where i can find docs about the way do well-done packages for ubuntu ? [04:50] <rbelem> krystoff, hi... [04:50] <krystoff> :) [04:51] <rbelem> look these links [04:51] <rbelem> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips [04:51] <rbelem> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch [04:51] <krystoff> thx a lot [04:51] <rbelem> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [04:51] <krystoff> yes i m on this one :) [04:52] <rbelem> http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ [04:52] <rbelem> ;-) [04:52] <Keybuk> so, err, silly question time -- do we have either a ppc or amd64 machine I can debug something on? [04:53] <rbelem> there are more links at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoBelem [04:53] <krystoff> in fact i have a source .tar.gz and wanna create a package with it ... i m looking for the right info ? [04:55] <mdz> Keybuk: yes [04:55] <rbelem> krystoff, yep ;-) [04:55] <Keybuk> I'm guessing I never got accounts on those while I was in the lp team? :p [04:55] <mdz> Keybuk: concordia.ubuntu.com is an amd64 [04:55] <krystoff> ok thx a lot rbelem [04:56] <Keybuk> don't have an account on that [04:58] <infinity> Keybuk : And you want davis for ppc. (which yo umay also no have an account on) [04:58] <infinity> But with fewer typos. [04:58] <jdub> mjg59: ping [04:58] <Keybuk> yah; some elmo-worshipping needed tomorrow I think [04:59] <Keybuk> jdub: dude, I'm awake ... you expect someone else from the UK to be? [04:59] <daniels> Keybuk: elmo was until very recently [04:59] <jdub> Keybuk: you might be keeping him awake :) [04:59] <Keybuk> he slept on the SOFA [04:59] <jdub> well, get some matches and some spare plastic lying around [04:59] <jdub> and stick it where the oxygen don't burn [05:00] <daniels> i thought oxygen never burnt, but just acted as a catalyst [05:04] <rbelem> krystoff, ;-) [05:07] <krystoff> ok it seems big work to do :) [05:10] <krystoff> rbelem ok the first thing i have to do is a chroot env right ? [05:17] <bob2> well, that's handy [05:17] <fabbione> morning [05:22] <Keybuk> uh-oh, fabbione's awake; must be bed time! :p [05:22] <Keybuk> heyhey fabio! *hugs* [05:24] <fabbione> hey Keybuk [05:25] <Keybuk> how you doing? [05:25] <mdz> good morning sir fabio [05:25] <fabbione> still jetlagged that you are awake so late? [05:25] <fabbione> hey mdz... [05:25] <Keybuk> I'm not sure it's jet-lag, but just my usual inability to sleep at times other people consider normal [05:25] <fabbione> Keybuk: injecting the first liter of coffee in my blood [05:25] <fabbione> i am not even awake yet :P [05:26] <fabbione> mdz: congrat with Colony 3. i am going to break a couple of things for a day... need to upload a new kernel with ABI change and all the rest to realling the overall [05:26] <fabbione> mdz: the usual abi change drill [05:27] <mdz> fabbione: I thought you were joking about that [05:27] <fabbione> no i wasn't... [05:28] <fabbione> but we are not ready for upload yet. [05:28] <fabbione> i need to finish the test builds around first [05:28] <mdz> fabbione: when you are ready, try to coordinate as much as possible to minimize the breakage [05:28] <fabbione> (we are almost there) [05:28] <mdz> get the source, builds, seed changes, and d-i build done in quick succession [05:28] <fabbione> mdz: yup.. i already have all the other packages ready. [05:28] <fabbione> i will need somebody with super power to new the overall [05:29] <fabbione> or somebody to give me super power to do so [05:29] <mdz> elmo and I usually don't sleep at the same time [05:29] <fabbione> yes i know.. don't worry.. i didn't plan to make a mess around :) [05:29] <mdz> what is your estimated launch time? [05:29] <fabbione> tomorrow morning.. probably at this time [05:29] <fabbione> it depends how fast i can manage to test build today [05:29] <mdz> your/elmo's morning or mine? [05:30] <fabbione> my time [05:30] <mdz> this lithuanian beer is pretty tasty [05:30] <fabbione> ehehhe [05:30] <mdz> stevea is not the only worthwhile thing coming from lithuania [05:30] <Keybuk> I think BjornT would resent that [05:30] <mdz> oh, that's right [05:30] <mdz> he seems to spend so little time there I forgot he was native [05:30] <fabbione> mdz: i might also prepare all the packages for you and you can do the upload/NEW dance your morning.. [05:31] <fabbione> if you prefer that solution [05:31] <Keybuk> and stevea really comes from lancashire, and just pretends to be lituanian ;P [05:32] <mdz> he doesn't pretend very well [05:32] <Keybuk> this is true [05:32] <mdz> unless lithuanians really like eggs [05:34] <luis_> tseng: you around? [05:34] <mdz> colony 3 isn't on distrowatch yet; ladislav must be sleeping [05:34] <Keybuk> he's cutting down on the eggs [05:34] <Keybuk> didn't touch a single one in Brazil [05:34] <daniels> Keybuk: ?!? [05:35] <daniels> Keybuk: you're sure this was the real SteveA, and not an infiltrator [05:35] <Keybuk> it was the real one, nobody else has psychic hair [05:35] <whiprush_> luis_: your test pdf blows up my evince in breezy [05:35] <mdz> Keybuk: that one deserves an explanation [05:35] <Keybuk> have you never noticed that SteveA's hair reflects his mood? [05:35] <Keybuk> when he's relaxed, laid-back, or (more usually) drunk -- it gets very fluffy and wavey [05:36] <Keybuk> but if he's stressed or angry about something, it goes flat and straight [05:36] <luis_> whiprush_: I'm running HEAD, not breezy perse, and I believe there is a cairo bug in the last release wrt evince and fonts [05:36] <whiprush_> ah ok, good to know [05:38] <mdz> Keybuk: it's not so much psychic as empathic [05:38] <Keybuk> perhaps [05:44] <fabbione> Keybuk: i had an insane idea for dpkg... [05:44] <fabbione> Keybuk: when you are more fresh we should talk about it [05:44] <fabbione> it might tickle your imagination :) [05:44] <Keybuk> actually, I'm pretty fresh now [05:44] <mdz> you're always pretty fresh [05:44] <Keybuk> I am? [05:44] <fabbione> ok :) [05:44] <mdz> in one sense or another [05:45] <daniels> you win [05:45] <fabbione> hehe [05:46] <fabbione> Keybuk: the idea is to kill metapackages. they are horribly boring to maintain and keep around. [05:46] <fabbione> Keybuk: some part of it is implemented already as task [05:46] <Keybuk> I dunno, he's been my boss just three days, and he's already getting offensive :p [05:46] <fabbione> Keybuk: but it's not exactly the same [05:46] <Keybuk> i'm listening [05:47] <fabbione> so my idea was to introduce a keyword in the control file like: [05:47] <fabbione> PartOf: $package_foo [05:48] <fabbione> so N package that are part of package foo, will be automatically installed if you ask apt to install foo... [05:48] <daniels> don't we already have the Task: field for this? [05:48] <fabbione> without having a metapackage called foo [05:48] <Keybuk> that does sound remarkably exactly the same as the way Tasks work now [05:48] <fabbione> daniels: this is more dynamic.. tasks are maintained at archive level [05:48] <Keybuk> stick Task: wibble in a bunch of packages [05:48] <Keybuk> aptitude install ~twibble [05:48] <daniels> fabbione: err, last I checked, Task: was done in a control field [05:49] <mdz> Keybuk: I am completely tame; I leave the offense to sabdfl [05:49] <fabbione> hmmm [05:49] <fabbione> Keybuk: i tought that Task was for archive only... [05:49] <fabbione> if that's the case, than no. it's no need of Task: [05:49] <fabbione> s/Task/PartOf [05:49] <Keybuk> you can stick Task: in control files and Packages files and stuff [05:50] <fabbione> ok [05:50] <fabbione> than forget my idea :) [05:50] <fabbione> DANKE [05:50] <Keybuk> good idea though :p [05:50] <mdz> the difference between tasks and metapackages is that metapackages have state [05:51] <fabbione> mdz: yes.. that was the idea in PArtOF.. to keep a state... [05:51] <fabbione> but well i guess it's no point.. [05:51] <mdz> fabbione: how so? [05:51] <Keybuk> yeah, it'd be nice to be able to remember whether a task was "installed" or not and use that in the calculation for the auto stuff [05:51] <Keybuk> I'm sure mvo and I talked about that in UDU [05:51] <mdz> if we implemented metapackages using properly-handled Recommends, that would be very close to the ideal semantics [05:52] <Keybuk> "properly-handled" ? [05:52] <mdz> aptitude/dselect semantics [05:52] <mdz> rather than, say, apt-get semantics [05:52] <mdz> you know, it would go a long way toward that if I just got rid of apt-get [05:53] <Keybuk> $ apt-get install foo [05:53] <Keybuk> ______________ [05:53] <Keybuk> < use aptitude > [05:53] <Keybuk> -------------- [05:53] <Keybuk> \ ^__^ [05:53] <Keybuk> \ (oo)\_______ [05:53] <Keybuk> (__)\ )\/\ [05:53] <Keybuk> ||----w | [05:53] <Keybuk> || || [05:53] <mdz> if aptitude did build-dep I could totally get away with it [05:53] <mdz> replace apt-get with a shell script and see if anyone notices [05:53] <Lathiat> haha Keybuk [05:53] <daniels> mdz: dude, you have a hard enough time convincing people that dselect is a bad idea. htf do you expect to slip apt-get by them? [05:53] <mdz> daniels: I only have a hard time convincing *Colin* [05:54] <Keybuk> and elmo [05:54] <daniels> mdz: (and elmo) [05:54] <Keybuk> my plans to move dselect into universe for breezy have failed :'( [05:54] <mdz> elmo is beyond hope [05:54] <mdz> Keybuk: how so? [05:54] <Keybuk> I guess you'd also have to include iwj in that list now too [05:54] <mdz> it is not too late, as far as I'm concerned :-P [05:55] <Keybuk> elmo suggested that it was his project, and his ftp archive, and there was no way he was going to run universe software on our servers, so ergo it wouldn't go in [05:55] <daniels> mdz: sure, scott can ask for it to be moved, but you say that like it has any gravity [05:55] <Keybuk> and as he was the only person with the button to make that change, etc. [05:55] <daniels> right [05:55] <mdz> he isn't anymore [05:55] <mdz> but 2 of the 3 people with that power are dselect weenies [05:55] <Keybuk> though it was much louder, with more swearing and funnier; because elmo said it [05:55] <calc> dselect rox [05:55] <Lathiat> peopel still use dselect? [05:56] <LaserJock> have any of you install Breezy from Colony 3? [05:56] <mdz> LaserJock: yes, I do tend to do that a few times before announcing a release ;-) [05:56] <Keybuk> Lathiat: I know of at least one person who still uses the dpkg ftp method, and dselect; and doesn't even have apt installed [05:56] <Lathiat> dselect caused me much paino when i started on debian, its ui was horrid. [05:56] <Lathiat> i never really use aptitude tho [05:56] <Lathiat> i just use apt-cache and apt-get [05:56] <LaserJock> mdz: I had trouble getting things installed smoothly, aptitude keeps freezing [05:57] <calc> LaserJock: aptitude sorting is horrid [05:57] <mdz> LaserJock: hardware problems? [05:57] <Keybuk> I use aptitude [05:57] <calc> LaserJock: if aptitude got decent sorting it could probably be a useful replacement for dselect [05:57] <LaserJock> mdz: I was having trouble with X [05:57] <Keybuk> I've given up even testing dselect these days :) I figure if I break it, the only people who care will fix it for me [05:58] <LaserJock> I keep rebooting and it seems to get further [05:58] <LaserJock> but X seems to be spotty too [05:58] <Keybuk> LaserJock: freezing where, out of interest? [05:59] <LaserJock> Keybuk: I had a hard time getting through the first reboot [05:59] <Keybuk> LaserJock: which bit was freezing though, what was on screen at the time? [05:59] <mdz> LaserJock: run a memory test [06:00] <mdz> there's one available from the grub menu [06:00] <LaserJock> downloading 9 out of 10 .. something or another [06:00] <mdz> Keybuk: LWN article on autopackage [06:00] <mdz> it doesn't include even one occurrence of the word "crack" [06:01] <LaserJock> BTW, Colony 2 worked fine [06:01] <mdz> LaserJock: if you still have colony 2, try it again and see if it still works [06:02] <LaserJock> well, I'm dual booting with Hoary, does that count? [06:02] <AndyFitz> mfz, even mike hearn has mentioned that its crack :-) [06:02] <Keybuk> wasn't someone else complaining about the same thing earlier? [06:03] <Keybuk> TheMuso Has anybody's 2nd stage install of Breezy colony 3 on i386 frozen at 91%? The message currently being displayed is Downloading files 5 of 6 (0s remaining) [06:03] <Keybuk> TheMuso On VT 4, it appears that new packages are going to be installed. There is nothing left to download, but it is stuck at 57% and says that it is working. [06:03] <mdz> Keybuk: not that I've heard [06:03] <AndyFitz> but it was usefuly for inkscape development snapshots [06:03] <mdz> LaserJock: when you say "freezing", do you mean the system hangs, or the progress bar stops being updated? [06:03] <ajmitch> mdz: so you don't want the autopackage installer in universe? :) [06:03] <mdz> LaserJock: try alt+f4 or such [06:03] <LaserJock> other vt's work [06:04] <mdz> oh, ok [06:04] <LaserJock> I do top and I there is 0 CPU activity [06:04] <mdz> perhaps a network issue, then [06:04] <LaserJock> it is exactly ad Keybuk said [06:04] <LaserJock> *as [06:04] <Keybuk> why does the CD download stuff? language packs? [06:04] <ajmitch> I'm just surprised that noone requested autopackage on the universe candidates list [06:04] <mdz> Keybuk: a bug [06:04] <mdz> Keybuk: (yes, language packs) [06:05] <ajmitch> afternoon jsgotangco [06:05] <mdz> ajmitch: well, the author did come by and say we were wasting our time packaging things and that we should use autopackage instead [06:05] <jsgotangco> hi [06:07] <LaserJock> well, i'm not so worried about the install thing because I restarted a few times and it got farther each time and I think it is done [06:07] <Keybuk> Users have often been heard to complain, however, that the GNOME hackers Know Too Much to listen to those cries as they follow the One True Course. A tendency by some developers to describe user requests as "crack" probably has not helped in this regard. [06:07] <Keybuk> *giggle* [06:07] <LaserJock> however, I installed the nvidia drivers and now X doesn't work [06:07] <TheMuso> Keybuk: I was able to get past it though. I had to kill a process, can't remember what it was however. I am going to attempt an install on PowerPC as well and if I get the same problem, I will let you know. [06:08] <Lathiat> Keybuk: haha [06:08] <mdz> Keybuk: "crack" totally started as an Ubuntu-ism, not a GNOME-ism [06:08] <Keybuk> it did [06:09] <mdz> now all the cool kids are saying it [06:09] <jsgotangco> hehe [06:10] <Keybuk> way back in London [06:10] <AndyFitz> its been heard of before within redhat [06:10] <mdz> "way the hell back" [06:10] <Keybuk> when mdz had hair [06:10] <AndyFitz> nobody knows where it came from [06:10] <mdz> almost 18 months! [06:11] <mdz> Keybuk: I temporarily had hair in London [06:11] <daniels> eh, crack was a debianism [06:11] <Keybuk> I'll have been at this company 18 months in just two weeks [06:11] <mdz> daniels: debian described people as being "on crack" or "smoking crack", but not the ideas themselves as "crack" [06:12] <mdz> Keybuk: having fun yet? ;-) [06:12] <daniels> mdz: point [06:12] <mdz> jdub: what was OSCON like? [06:13] <whiprush_> I'm pretty sure "crack" was a gnome-ism from a long time back. [06:14] <whiprush_> "That said, the goal is a "mainstream" rather than "UNIX" desktop and that goal has always been explicit. So _when_ there's a tradeoff or conflict the needs of office workers will win out over those of a 20-year UNIX sysadmin. Not a secret." [06:14] <mdz> whiprush_: this debate will go down in the annals of history next to "who put the bomp in the bomp-she-bomp" [06:14] <whiprush_> heh, havoc rocks. [06:14] <daniels> mdz: THE CHICKEN! [06:15] <Keybuk> mdz: things are improving, certainly [06:15] <mdz> we should have an Ubuntu vs. GNOME ultimate frisbee match to settle it [06:15] <whiprush_> so, jam was on the linux link tech show tonight, lots of good ltsp and ubuntu publicity. [06:16] <mdz> yeah, he mentioned it on #ltsp [06:16] <mdz> is the show available for download? [06:16] <Keybuk> ah yes, isn't that lugradio without all the foul-mouthed ubuntu-worship? :p [06:16] <whiprush_> I believe it is a few hours after the cas. [06:17] <robitaille> mdz: http://www.tllts.info/archives/tllts_97-08-17-05.ogg [06:17] <mdz> thanks [06:17] <whiprush_> they did it live though, the first 30 minutes is them struggling with asterisk. [06:17] <whiprush_> pretty painfull. [06:18] <LaserJock> does anybody know how to diagnose why X won't start when there aren't any errors in the X log? [06:18] <jdub> mdz: pretty good. it's like lca but with a very corporate attendee profile (very expensive conference). heaps more web and scripting stuff. [06:18] <mdz> hah, this is hilarious [06:19] <mdz> they have a pretty pro-sounding voiceover guy [06:19] <whiprush_> yeah [06:19] <whiprush_> it has like, voiceover repeats and stuff. [06:20] <whiprush_> "This Sunday, SUNDAY! Watch monster trucks take on LINUX!" [06:20] <mdz> jdub: there should be an oscon which is about operating systems [06:20] <robitaille> jdub: were the mailing lists ever moved to a server with spamassassin? (wondering if the spams I reject as a list admin is the iceberg, or the tip of one) [06:20] <`anthony> jdub: don't forget lots of vendor-supplied free alcohol! [06:20] <jdub> mdz: i think they call it USENIX, but it's all lame now. [06:20] <mdz> jdub: USENIX is totally has-been [06:20] <jdub> robitaille: haven't been moved yet, no, but will be doing SA in the interim. [06:21] <`anthony> isn't lca06 in foreign places? [06:21] <jsgotangco> its in dunedin [06:21] <jsgotangco> NZ [06:22] <ajmitch> `anthony: yeah, the other australian state [06:22] <mdz> ouch, clipping [06:22] <jsgotangco> january is summer right? [06:22] <Keybuk> ajmitch: I've tried to submit a talk, and have tried to bribe the panel to accept it, so we'll see :p [06:22] <whiprush_> jdub: oy you going to make it this way for ohiolinux? [06:23] <jdub> whiprush_: it's looking like a no [06:23] <jdub> otherwise i'm going to be away from home for months on end [06:23] <Keybuk> . o O { Whatever happened to Ubuntu Weekly News ? } [06:23] <whiprush_> k [06:23] <jdub> if my travel schedule materialises as I think [06:24] <Keybuk> s/Weekly News/Traffic/ [06:24] <mdz> Keybuk: the fridge ate it [06:24] <Keybuk> the fridge never happened though, did it? [06:24] <jdub> we didn't have a UWN [06:24] <jdub> Keybuk: fridge is happening as we speak [06:24] <whiprush_> Keybuk: yeah dude, get with it. [06:24] <jdub> we still need a traffic regardless of fridge [06:24] <jsgotangco> where? [06:24] <daniels> mdz: can we please move libglut3-dev from universe to main kthx [06:25] <daniels> mdz: it's a dependenciy of freeglut3-dev (main), which makes it uninstallable [06:25] <mdz> daniels: is it a new source? [06:25] <daniels> mdz: and the rest of the glut source package seems to be in main [06:25] <daniels> mdz: no [06:25] <whiprush_> jdub: jam and I will do an ubuntu talk at ohiolinux, probably gonna have aseigo do a few slides wrt. kubuntu. [06:25] <infinity> mdz : No, the source is glut, which is alreayd in main. [06:25] <Keybuk> "If a project provides an autopackage, you know it can work on your distribution." [06:25] <mdz> daniels: what's the name of the source package? [06:25] <Keybuk> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [06:25] <mdz> infinity: tx [06:25] <whiprush_> jdub: I heard your slides are very rip off-able ... [06:25] <daniels> mdz: but it is required for mesa to build (feel free to ponder the irony of the libGL build requiring the GL Utility Toolkit, which is built on top of libGL) [06:25] <mdz> daniels: done [06:25] <Keybuk> yes, especially when it provides a file that gets overwritten by something provided by something else [06:26] <daniels> mdz: thanks [06:26] <mdz> cancel that [06:26] <LaserJock> is there any reason that the nividia drivers (installed from synaptic) would prevent X from starting? [06:26] <mdz> attempted, but failed [06:26] <jdub> whiprush_: hrm, dunno about that, my talks are mgp [06:26] <infinity> ... [06:26] <jdub> whiprush_: but my talk will be up soon with slides [06:26] <daniels> erm [06:26] <mdz> I think katie is pissed about the fact that it's the same version in warty, hoary and breezy [06:26] <whiprush_> jdub: you're so sun dude. it's all about ME ME ME. [06:26] <whiprush_> :p [06:26] <jdub> there's a tarball of slide images though [06:26] <`anthony> jdub: mgp? [06:26] <jdub> magicpoint [06:26] <mdz> daniels: should be sorted now [06:27] <daniels> thanks [06:27] <AndyFitz> jdub, get the font ? [06:27] <jdub> yep [06:27] <jdub> you should pitch it to the kubuntu guys, to fix up their ugly k [06:28] <jdub> the m and w are a bit square [06:28] <jdub> the z doesn't seem to fit, either [06:28] <AndyFitz> yeah they used to be 2 n's but they looked a bit weird. I'll try lowering the arches a step to round them off [06:28] <mdz> z is important [06:28] <AndyFitz> the Z and the X are the 2 glyphs I'm having trouble with [06:28] <AndyFitz> I just can't sex them up [06:28] <jdub> actually, most of the characters with straight lines look a little odd [06:29] <jdub> v, x [06:29] <jdub> c doesn't look round enough [06:29] <mdz> the font was designed as a curvy roundy thing [06:29] <AndyFitz> v is curved a little ( on janes request ) [06:29] <jdub> yeah, doesn't quite go though; perhaps thinner would work [06:29] <AndyFitz> the d,be,h&p are all the same shape ( as in the logo ) [06:29] <jdub> the s is not very curvy, for a curvy character in a curvy font [06:30] <jdub> the numbers are all a bit whacky ;-) ;-) [06:30] <AndyFitz> hrm yeah it used to be even straighter. I'll curve it a bit more ( no more horizontal beziers ) [06:31] <Gman> whiprush_, hey, what's wrong with sun!?!? don't forget there's an 'S' in sun....'share' :) [06:31] <`anthony> AndyFitz: You're designing a font, and asking for opinions? dear gods, you're in for a world of hurt. [06:31] <jdub> e is great [06:31] <jdub> that seems to fit more closely than the s style [06:31] <AndyFitz> and the numbers suck :-P the title font shouldnt have uppercase glyphs and I don't see numbers / symbols coming into it either but I'll let them evolve [06:31] <whiprush_> Gman: man, I thought you were asleep. :p [06:31] <lamont> mdz/fabbione: what change do I need to make to the livecd script? [06:31] <jdub> AndyFitz: controversial suggestion - wonder what f is like without a complete crossbar? :) [06:32] <fabbione> lamont: ???? [06:32] <jdub> everything up to l is rad [06:32] <mdz> lamont: clear out /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d I think [06:32] <mdz> lamont: but perhaps check with mvo to be certain [06:32] <jdub> m looks flat [06:32] <mdz> maybe just touch a file instead [06:32] <fabbione> ah yeah... [06:32] <jdub> nopqr rad [06:32] <AndyFitz> `anthony: it seems everyone has their pet peeve glyph. mine is X keybuk's is Z I think and jdubs is S. ( janes was V ) and a mates was W [06:32] <jdub> s seems uncurvy [06:32] <fabbione> lamont: one sec... [06:32] <jdub> tu rad [06:32] <AndyFitz> jdub, I [06:32] <jdub> v curvy weird [06:33] <jdub> w flat like m [06:33] <jdub> x seems too harshly sharp [06:33] <jdub> y rad [06:33] <jdub> z flat/sharp [06:33] <fabbione> lamont: ./var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ [06:33] <`anthony> jdub: just use comic sans MS ;) [06:33] <AndyFitz> 'll send you the svg source linework and have a quick play. it takes a bit to turn it into a typeface but if you can throw me some ideas back in vector it'd be alot of help [06:33] <fabbione> as mdz said [06:34] <lamont> wow - i386 is > 92% current [06:34] <jdub> AndyFitz: perhaps with vxz, thinner is the way to go - the bounding box looks square compared to the rectangular bound of the other glyphs [06:34] <AndyFitz> okay, so X,Z,M,Wand S all need a little ubuntu-love [06:34] <fabbione> lamont: what about sparc? [06:35] <lamont> fabbione: so rm -f var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/*? [06:35] <jdub> AndyFitz: if vxz were as thin as u, that might work [06:35] <lamont> i386 92.21% 5993 of 6499 [06:35] <lamont> powerpc 91.44% 5778 of 6319 [06:35] <lamont> amd64 90.68% 5692 of 6277 [06:35] <lamont> ia64 90.18% 5638 of 6252 [06:35] <lamont> hppa 76.81% 4795 of 6243 [06:35] <lamont> sparc 75.10% 4715 of 6278 [06:35] <AndyFitz> jdub yeah, I think I'll try and wave the x a little in a slight curve like the V the Z is a nightmare [06:36] <fabbione> lamont: for what is my concern, that would do.. [06:36] <ajmitch> AndyFitz: this going to be public for us to look at? [06:36] <jdub> if it were thin as the u, that would probably solve jane's request [06:37] <jdub> whiprush_: man, all the boring chitter at the start of this show... yeesh ;) [06:37] <AndyFitz> ajmitch, its actually a bounty. I don't know what the rules are but I'm happy to make what I have public [06:37] <lamont> mdz: now that base lacks postfix, could you have casper quit nuking it? (that way if someone builds a derived CD with postfix, it'll actually work...) [06:37] <lamont> or have a chance of it anyway [06:37] <whiprush_> jdub: yeah, the production quality is pretty crap. [06:37] <AndyFitz> jdub, thanks for the valuable feedback. I'll change the XVZ now [06:37] <jdub> desrt: the assignment for the kernel bug was correct [06:37] <desrt> ben collins? [06:38] <jdub> whiprush_: i bet they don't swear either [06:38] <jdub> desrt: yeah [06:38] <desrt> oh. weird [06:38] <jdub> jbailey: hey, is DSDT loading working? [06:38] <whiprush_> jdub: they do, not like the lugradio guys though [06:38] <desrt> whenever i file new ones, they go to fabbio [06:38] <whiprush_> only the occasional "shit" or so. [06:38] <AndyFitz> omfg. evince is brilliant [06:38] <lamont> mdz: any other livecd tweaks you'd like? [06:38] <jbailey> jdub: Nope. Requires a kernel patch that I didn't get to today. I hope to have it to Fabio by end of my day tomorrow, though. [06:38] <AndyFitz> 10 points to whoever implemented proper text selection [06:39] <jdub> daniels: whoa, big upgrade [06:39] <jdub> jbailey: aha [06:39] <jdub> jbailey: that must be why my acpi reporting is so *BONG* :-) [06:39] <whiprush_> jdub: what the world really needs is a mjg59 radio show. [06:39] <daniels> jdub: big upgrade? [06:39] <whiprush_> get all of the swear words out at once. [06:39] <jdub> daniels: xorg [06:39] <daniels> jdub: dude, -50 was like 28 hours ago [06:40] <Keybuk> whiprush_: we tried to persuade him to do a "Matthew's Angry Hour" at debconf last year [06:40] <jdub> lots of goodies [06:40] <daniels> jdub: i have bigger and cooler planned for xorg [06:40] <jbailey> jdub: Quite probably. initramfs-tools loads the DSDT.aml file into the right place, the kernel just doesn't look there yet. [06:40] <Keybuk> we'd give him a microphone and poke him with sticks to make him angry [06:40] <Keybuk> sadly mjg59 is disappointing in real life [06:40] <jdub> jbailey: ahar. [06:40] <daniels> jdub: like getting rid of all the shared libraries except libXfont [06:40] <doko> good morning [06:40] <jdub> Keybuk: not once he's inebriated. [06:40] <daniels> Keybuk: except when he yells out 'FUCK. YOU.' and hurls a CD across the room, almost decapitating pitti. [06:40] <ajmitch> morning doko [06:40] <Keybuk> mdz: you are a bad man, you have caused me to blog [06:41] <whiprush_> I recall him being pretty vulgar when drinking [06:41] <jdub> AndyFitz: huge number of the glyphs are spot on - well done, that's really bloody hard stuff :-) [06:44] <AndyFitz> jdub, thanks mate. when its done I'll publish the fontforge / inkscape sources with glyph making instructions on the ArtTeam wiki so that i18n guys can add their glyphs and the font will grow [06:46] <Keybuk> it's not complete without a glyph for and [06:47] <jsgotangco> nice [06:49] <AndyFitz> hehe [06:49] <mdz> Keybuk: dude, you were blogging before you ever met me [06:50] <Keybuk> "The Jeff And Scott Roadshow" [06:50] <jbailey> daniels: There was a session on blogging? [06:50] <mdz> it warms my heart to know that our default desktop font has [06:51] <robitaille> jdub: according to firefox, the xml at http://planet.ubuntu.com/rss20.xml is "not well-formed" [06:52] <jdub> there's probably a & in someone's title [06:52] <Keybuk> what's worrying is that the only time I've ever been to my local LUG *STILL* is that time Jeff and I went up there during Oxford [06:52] <jdub> it was a very small LUG [06:52] <Keybuk> wolveslug is even smaller [06:52] <daniels> jbailey: you were at Oxford? [06:52] <jbailey> daniels: No. [06:53] <daniels> jbailey: right [06:53] <jbailey> daniels: But I don't remember reading about that. [06:53] <daniels> jbailey: but yeah, there was. the jeff and scott roadshow. [06:53] <AndyFitz> better to be a pirate than join the navy hey ? [06:53] <daniels> jbailey: that's because it was utterly unremarkable :P [06:53] <Keybuk> unremarkable?! it was a talk with the word "motherfucker" in it [06:53] <jdub> did we say motherfucker? [06:53] <jdub> oh! [06:53] <jdub> yeah, that's right [06:53] <jdub> that was the joke [06:54] <daniels> Keybuk: dude, elmo was there [06:54] <jdub> well, the one we prepared [06:54] <daniels> Keybuk: one mention of the word 'motherfucker' is utterly unremarkable compared to the security support bof [06:54] <whiprush_> heh, someone who blogged about oscon blogged about how much jdub swore. [06:54] <jdub> that was `anthony [06:55] <Keybuk> dude, that was the _only_ preperation we did for that! [06:55] <whiprush_> "it must be more acceptable in .au" or something to that effect. [06:55] <daniels> the fucking security fucking support bof fucking involved a fucking lot of fucking mentions of the fucking word 'fucking'. [06:55] <Keybuk> daniels: that BOF was intense [06:55] <jdub> whiprush_: context -> `anthony is australian [06:55] <Keybuk> there was a lot of fucking [06:55] <whiprush_> ah [06:55] <daniels> Keybuk: that's the one [06:55] <whiprush_> warning: this show might contain language. [06:55] <Keybuk> and elmo getting very angry that mdz wouldn't tell him if there was a kernel exploit in the wild which affected his precious data centre :p [06:56] <mdz> Keybuk: I thought the fucking BOF was in mataro [06:56] <jdub> uh oh [06:56] <daniels> mdz: no, the fucking bof was in oxford [06:56] <jdub> BenC: dude, you put "Ubuntu Linux" in your sig [06:56] <Keybuk> mdz: god know, it's far too far down the quotes page to be in Mataro [06:57] <jdub> BenC: itym "Ubuntu" :-) [06:57] <daniels> mdz: it was one of my first introductions to elmo [06:57] <whiprush_> Keybuk: expect to be stormed by 30498750348 autopackage fans. [06:57] <Keybuk> oh yes, you'd never met elmo before [06:58] <daniels> no, no I hadn't [06:58] <Keybuk> strangely, the first time I met elmo, he was quiet and reserved [06:58] <daniels> Keybuk: what, was he asleep? [06:58] <Keybuk> except when he fled like a girl when Steve lit the BBQ with petrol [06:58] <Lathiat> has anyone noticed X randomly getting stuck with a cursor like a resize widget or a hand, meaning you can't do anythign and can't get rid of it? i've had it happen a few times [06:58] <Lathiat> and by stuck i mean its stuck in some mode trying to do something with said cursor, you cant actually click on anything, or whatever [06:58] <jsgotangco> lol [06:58] <daniels> Lathiat: gtk bug [06:59] <daniels> Lathiat: hasn't released a grab [06:59] <Lathiat> daniels: yay [06:59] <Keybuk> really? I tend to get those with Mozilla [06:59] <jdub> Keybuk: gtk bug :-) [06:59] <mdz> Keybuk: you use mozilla (-browser)? [06:59] <Keybuk> I got those with mozilla since before gtk even existed :) [06:59] <Lathiat> daniels: can i do something to force it to ungrab? [06:59] <Lathiat> short of restarting mjy xsession [06:59] <Keybuk> mdz: where Mozilla is a generic term to describe any output from MosaicCorp/Netscape/AOL/MoFo etc. [06:59] <mdz> Lathiat: shoot your computer [07:00] <Lathiat> ok so it was gnome panel cus i killed it and now i have no mouse cursor at all [07:00] <daniels> haha, awesome [07:00] <Lathiat> oh wait it came back [07:00] <Lathiat> yay [07:00] <daniels> there's ctrl-shift-numpad/ or something and numpad* [07:00] <mdz> daniels,infinity: are you guys going to need any more archive love tonight? [07:01] <daniels> which ostensibly kill all open grabs, and kill all clients with open grabs [07:01] <daniels> mdz: yes, when mesa finishesbuilding we'll need binary NEWs [07:01] <Lathiat> oh cool [07:01] <mdz> ok, I should be around for that [07:01] <daniels> but I think those key combos have been broken since about 4.3 [07:01] <Lathiat> daniels: what, like xscreensaver? :) [07:01] <mdz> but at some point I'll sleep [07:01] <daniels> Lathiat: heh. that's why it's not enabled by default, presumably. [07:01] <Lathiat> whcih kindly kills your x session if that happens tho [07:01] <Lathiat> i tried to kill it when i had it lock my screen on the hoary live cd [07:01] <Lathiat> and then it went kapoof :) [07:02] <Lathiat> should have killed its little manager at the same time [07:02] <mdz> mako: dude, you spelled Minsky's name wrong in your blog [07:02] <infinity> mdz : Beyond mesa (which is building right now), we should be okay on our own. [07:03] <daniels> infinity: you sound like we're in grade 3 and you're accompanying me to the toilet or something [07:03] <daniels> 'we're big kids now!' [07:03] <infinity> *cough* [07:03] <Lathiat> with training nappys [07:03] <Keybuk> I don't think they do them in daniels's size [07:04] <daniels> hey, I'm a small, delicate flower [07:04] <Keybuk> in the body of someone who fell into the potion as a baby [07:04] <infinity> And forvermore, I shall call him Obelix. Thanks. [07:05] <daniels> must've been all the margarine I habitually ate before I was 10 [07:05] <daniels> which is roughly when I started growing stupid tall [07:05] <Lathiat> not by itself, right? [07:05] <daniels> out of the tub with a spoon, yes [07:06] <Lathiat> ew [07:06] <daniels> yes [07:06] <Lathiat> wtf dude that makes me sick ;p [07:06] <AndyFitz> infinity: brisbane is the new melbourne. we have snobs too now [07:06] <whiprush_> infinity: are you the network-manager dude now? [07:07] <daniels> AndyFitz: sydney has the pretensious snobs. we have things that are *actually* cool. [07:07] <daniels> AndyFitz: brisbane just aspire to be pretensious. [07:07] <infinity> whiprush_ : Yes, but if you have high hopes for it making it to breezy, I'd place your faith elsewhere. The more I look at it (and the further we get past feature freeze), the more it looks like it's just too immature to get it happy. [07:07] <daniels> network-manager wants a pony [07:07] <whiprush_> :-/ [07:07] <infinity> whiprush_ : But I'm all for help on improving it in universe with an eye to actually having something useful for breezy+1. [07:08] <whiprush_> it was working pretty well most of the cycle. [07:08] <infinity> For some value of "working well" that doesn't really mesh with my idea of "should be on every desktop"... [07:08] <whiprush_> question: [07:08] <AndyFitz> daniels. we have the resindogs. and sydney has the avalanches. melb has the cat empire.. ( I think ) that says a bit [07:09] <daniels> AndyFitz: um, dude. we have tzu, bias b, muphin (and plutonic lab also), j-red, selekt, dexta (dj from the avalanches) is from melbourne ... [07:09] <whiprush_> if you don't think it'll make it, moving it out to universe would mean more leeway as far as updating it right? [07:09] <AndyFitz> daniels: bam [07:09] <bob2> dext*er* [07:09] <bob2> who is coming here soon [07:10] <bob2> and brisbane has the resin dogs, > avalanches (who broke up) [07:10] <infinity> whiprush_ : It's in universe already. [07:10] <Mithrandir> 'morning [07:10] <whiprush_> oh, thought it had moved to main. [07:10] <infinity> whiprush_ : And yes, I'm sure we'd rather have something that works in universe than something that doesn't. [07:10] <daniels> bob2: dext*a*. [07:10] <AndyFitz> bob2 arent the avalanches releasing a new albumb ? [07:10] <Keybuk> one thing always worried me about network-manager [07:10] <Keybuk> it seems to spend all of its time bringing interfaces up and down [07:10] <infinity> whiprush_ : I've had some feedback from a few people, will update to the latest CVS, and have some integration changes to make, but even with all of those, I've run into some "gotchas" that I think make it just not ready for primetime in ubuntu-desktop. [07:10] <Keybuk> when it could just leave them up and change the default route a bit [07:11] <whiprush_> infinity: I've been playing with it for like 4 months, didn't know you had taken maintainership of it. [07:11] <Keybuk> whiprush_: he touched it last [07:11] <whiprush_> I'll pull from cvs tomorrow and do stuff. [07:11] <whiprush_> oh [07:11] <daniels> bob2: unless he's changed his name from what it used to be. and his brother is kuya. one year, dexta was the defending champion from .au (2000? 2001?), and came up against kuya in the nationals, because kuya won victoria. [07:11] <infinity> Keybuk : Actually, it was thrown at me, and I can't seem to wipe it off. [07:12] <whiprush_> heh [07:12] <infinity> mdz : mesa should be ready for binary NEW. [07:12] <AndyFitz> daniels, I saw dexta do a set at last splendour in the grass. the man has skillz that kills [07:12] <daniels> but tzu/bias b/muphin (with or without plutonic)/pegz/matty b/lyrical commission/etc > resins [07:14] <whiprush_> infinity: all I can offer is some testing and a bottle of liquor at the next ubuntu conference, heh. [07:14] <bob2> daniels: google says 4960 vs 587, to the charming young man fron the capital [07:15] <infinity> whiprush_ : Testing is much appreciated. Code would also be handy. :) [07:15] <whiprush_> heh, now you ask the impossible! [07:15] <whiprush_> for me anyway. :p [07:15] <infinity> whiprush_ : Catch me when I get back, if you're still around, so I can pick your brain about the current state of affairs. [07:15] <daniels> bob2: hm? [07:15] <whiprush_> okey [07:15] <daniels> bob2: and they're all better than koolism also [07:15] <bob2> daniels: dj.dexta vs dj.dexter hits [07:16] <bob2> daniels: dexter does not appear to give shouts out to spencer street station [07:16] <mdz> infinity: done [07:16] <infinity> mdz : Danke. [07:17] <daniels> bob2: that's because we can just say melbourne and everyone knows we rock, rather than having to namecheck libraries and art galleries etc [07:18] <Keybuk> right -> bed [07:20] <\sh> morning [07:20] <\sh> who is responsible for the bts importer to bugzilla? [07:22] <daniels> i swear autoconf is just taunting me at this point [07:22] <daniels> \sh: mdz [07:23] <\sh> eeks [07:25] <robitaille> \sh: yeah, mdz turned it on again a few hours ago; I think the importer had been off for quite a while... [07:26] <\sh> bad bad bad [07:26] <\sh> many dupes of already resolved and fixed bugs [07:28] <\sh> ok...will try to mark them as that [07:28] <robitaille> it's too bad our weekly bug day was yesterday :) [07:29] <\sh> anyways...it's not good to have old bugs reopened by debian bts again [07:31] <\sh> ok..have to go to work first...then the rest :) [07:31] <\sh> later dudes [07:40] <sivang> morning all [07:41] <jdub> daniels: QUESTACON! [07:42] <desrt> the laptop team template is really good [07:42] <jdub> elmo: planet update please :-) [07:42] <daniels> jdub: questacon is crap. their only draw is still that 'run against cathy freeman' thing. [07:42] <desrt> i have problems with my laptop that i didn't even realise! [07:43] <`anthony> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/16/solaris_x86_not_too_shabby/print.html <-- "Solaris 10 will kill Linux. Oh, except that the installer sucks, and there's no device support". /me headslaps. [07:43] <AndyFitz> jdub, update emailed [07:43] <bob2> daniels: um, and an earthquake machine. and a lightning machine. how many enclosed natural disasters does melbourne have? [07:44] <bob2> `anthony: hm, thursday is a "sun doesn't like linux day"? [07:44] <`anthony> bob2: less since we voted out kennett. [07:45] <AndyFitz> hahahaha [07:45] <`anthony> bob2: as opposed to the rest of the week, which is "Sun makes cheap shots at Redhat" days. You'll know Ubuntu has made it when Schwartz starts slagging it. [07:45] <AndyFitz> I went to the observation deck on melbourne and pointed to the entertainment centre and asked the guy what it was. and he said "oh, thats just jeff's shed" [07:45] <bob2> `anthony: wednesday is "Solaris is our version of Linux" day, iirc [07:45] <sivang> `anthony: just ignore the press, there's someone in .IL (a "known" technology reporter) that still claims that linux is not ready for the embedded market [07:46] <daniels> bob2: none. because no-one wants to destroy it, unlike sydney (where your house gets destroyed every year). [07:46] <AndyFitz> kennett was a bit wacky hey ? [07:46] <jsgotangco> lol [07:46] <daniels> 'There is no /root directory, which means that all of root's stuff piles up in /, which is hardly a major problem, but perhaps not the best thing for organization.' [07:46] <daniels> AndyFitz: more sensible than Joh [07:46] <HrdwrBoB> daniels: we have REAL natural disasters [07:46] <HrdwrBoB> er bob2 [07:47] <`anthony> AndyFitz: I think it was Rod Quantock who pointed out that most of Kennett's building projects featured things sticking up at 45 degree angles, around the same angle as the nazi salute. [07:47] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: only the odd flash-flood [07:47] <AndyFitz> hahahaha [07:47] <HrdwrBoB> two in the past year and a half [07:48] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: yes, but no-one likes fairfield anyway. full of stinky hippies. [07:49] <AndyFitz> it seems australian politics has consumed #ubuntu-devel . I can imagine that being frustrating to other locales [07:49] <HrdwrBoB> they might get an inferiority complex [07:50] <`anthony> So, to recap: device driver support is suck, installer is suck, management interface is suck, available software in packages is suck, no online automated security patching without paying $, but Solaris is a threat to Linux. Riiiight. [07:51] <HrdwrBoB> it's ok the reviewer can't find the 'hide messages when deleted' button [07:51] <HrdwrBoB> in evolution [07:51] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: stupid default, dude. [07:51] <HrdwrBoB> yeah [07:51] <HrdwrBoB> I totally agree [07:51] <jdub> and totally stupid functionality in the first place [07:52] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/Ubuntu-Title.ttf - let it be known that I don't like the M or W [07:52] <`anthony> jdub: _obviously_ the solution is spatial deletion, where when you delete something, it moves to a different area of the screen. [07:53] <jdub> AndyFitz: aha, X is on the money [07:53] <jdub> Z is on the money [07:54] <AndyFitz> and S ??? [07:54] <jdub> M/W... hrm... dunno [07:54] <HrdwrBoB> M/W is too .. bendy [07:54] <AndyFitz> m / w has gotten worse than the block looking ones [07:54] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: ... dude. [07:54] <jsgotangco> wow..its soo ubuntu... [07:54] <jdub> V is much closer, though would love to see non-curvy one of similar width [07:54] <AndyFitz> to keep it close to the N we need kill the curves again [07:55] <jdub> S is *really* close [07:55] <jsgotangco> n doesn't look like n at all [07:55] <jsgotangco> but i see the pattern on r [07:56] <jdub> AndyFitz: how about not having a strong centre stroke on the M/W? [07:56] <jdub> so much more like the n, but just a dip, not a complete stroke [07:57] <AndyFitz> jdub, yeah I'll go back to the old way and cut the center stroke bit in half [07:57] <AndyFitz> I tried with the dip and it looks weird .. like a mutated U [07:57] <AndyFitz> but half is a nice balance [07:57] <jdub> one thing with the k, the top stroke seems to be coming out of the bottom stroke [07:57] <AndyFitz> so it dies on the same line the X crosses [07:57] <jdub> would be good to have both joining at the same point [07:58] <AndyFitz> jdub, yes its a lowercase K this is a typographical technique. the weight is too heavy with both stroked coming from the balancing line [07:59] <AndyFitz> that was the way I had it in the firstplace but it has since been modified due to it not fitting in with the rest of the set [08:00] <AndyFitz> it suits hard edges sans fonts . but not gothic-sans fonts ( and this ultimately is a fat gothic sans typeface ) [08:00] <jdub> generally both meet at the same point but not in the upright [08:00] <jdub> |< [08:00] <jdub> ^ like that :-) [08:00] <jdub> only closer... [08:00] <jdub> ;) [08:01] <AndyFitz> can't be done and made to look sexy . [08:02] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ok.png [08:02] <AndyFitz> nono [08:02] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/K.png [08:02] <AndyFitz> damn gaim autoreplace [08:02] <jdub> well, if nothing else, the bottom one should hang from the top one [08:04] <AndyFitz> refresh http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/K.png [08:04] <AndyFitz> hrm., I'm picking up what you're putting down [08:05] <AndyFitz> :) [08:05] <pitti> Good morning [08:05] <ajmitch> hi pitti [08:05] <AndyFitz> g'day pitti [08:06] <jdub> AndyFitz: hey, you're joining within the upright [08:06] <AndyFitz> jdub: does the most left K suit ? [08:06] <jdub> and the first k looks better than the second :-) [08:06] <jdub> yes, vastly better :-) [08:06] <AndyFitz> agreed [08:06] <jdub> that k [08:06] <jdub> all by itself [08:06] <jdub> will make kubuntu suck less [08:06] <AndyFitz> haha [08:07] <jdub> that k has offended me for too long [08:07] <AndyFitz> spoken like a devout gnome user [08:07] <jdub> more the typography fascist in me, than the gnome contributor [08:08] <jdub> hey, now the a is looking weird [08:08] <AndyFitz> huh ? [08:08] <AndyFitz> it always looked like that [08:08] <jdub> yeah [08:08] <jdub> but as the other characters improve [08:08] <AndyFitz> the A has been a hassle for me [08:09] <jsgotangco> the g looks pretty toned down to me [08:09] <AndyFitz> its hard to make it not look like an o [08:09] <jdub> how about going for an old-fashioned style a? [08:09] <AndyFitz> I thought about it but that would break the consistency on all the other curves [08:10] <AndyFitz> its possible . but would look squishy at that character height [08:10] <AndyFitz> esp with the thick lines [08:12] <pitti> jdub: does your battery applet work now with the new hal? [08:13] <jdub> pitti: you'll see some bug mess in your mail :-) [08:13] <jdub> AndyFitz: like the s [08:13] <pitti> jdub: ok, I didn't yet come that far in my mailbox... [08:13] <AndyFitz> jdub I'llshow you a screenie of it like that [08:15] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/a.png [08:16] <AndyFitz> not too sexy [08:16] <jdub> hmm [08:16] <jdub> appeals to me [08:16] <jdub> dunno [08:17] <jsgotangco> it does not feel right to me [08:17] <jsgotangco> like a "bizarro" feel [08:17] <jdub> AndyFitz: maybe the normal one would benefit from being slightly wider? [08:17] <jdub> hrrm. [08:17] <jdub> no, that's rough [08:21] <AndyFitz> oops kernel panicked [08:22] <fabbione> AndyFitz: time to buy better hw [08:25] <AndyFitz> fabbione, my lappy is still the highest spec machine dell sell [08:26] <daniels> s/spec/weight/ [08:26] <AndyFitz> panics just happen [08:26] <daniels> AndyFitz: none of this invalidates what fabbione said [08:26] <`anthony> daniels: No, that's my 5150. [08:26] <daniels> `anthony: andy's gives it a run for its money, certainly [08:26] <daniels> `anthony: it's insane [08:27] <`anthony> this sucker's something like 5.5kgs with the powersupply. [08:27] <AndyFitz> hence I can't buy better hw because I can no longer afford it lol [08:27] <`anthony> power supply is a monster. [08:27] <bob2> you just need an equally big hip flask to wear on the other side while carrying it [08:28] <Mithrandir> I bet it's unusable to hit people with [08:29] <AndyFitz> jdub: did you see the issue with the 'a' [08:31] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/badges.jpg - valley market humour [08:41] <AndyFitz> jdub: http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/Ubuntu-Title.ttf updated [08:42] <highvoltage> AndyFitz: is that a free font? [08:42] <AndyFitz> highvoltage: it will be released under GPL [08:43] <AndyFitz> its not released yet [08:44] <highvoltage> ok [08:45] <AndyFitz> just updated with a dash on the 1 so you can tell it apart from the l however its not a font for numbers symbols etc so this shouldnt matter [08:45] <AndyFitz> with a serif mean [08:45] <lucas> hi [08:46] <AndyFitz> hi lucas [08:46] <lucas> I'm seeking confirmation for a bug about locales in X before I submit it. The bug report I intend to submit is on http://blop.info/ubuntubug.txt [08:47] <lucas> can sbody look at it and confirm the issue ? [08:48] <daniels> non-utf-8 locales may well be broken, yes. is there any reason why you're not using utf-8? [08:51] <lucas> well, is there a good guide about utf-8 migration, dealing with using [G] VIM and vim in ssh sessions on non-UTF8 systems ? [08:52] <lucas> each time I try migrating, I end up facing issues I don't really understand [08:52] <Mithrandir> lucas: luit fixes the latter, at least. [08:55] <lucas> cool, thanks [08:55] <jdub> AndyFitz: btw, GPL is not a good choice [08:55] <lucas> daniels: for the record, I should report this bug anyway. which is the correct package ? [08:55] <jdub> fonts are regarded as computer programs in most jurisdictions [08:56] <daniels> lucas: libx11-6 [08:56] <jdub> AndyFitz: hrm, i don't have any more ideas for M/W [08:59] <pitti> Hey mvo [09:00] <AndyFitz> jdub, GPL is a good choice in my opinion. but I'm open to suggestions [09:01] <AndyFitz> creative commons wouldnt suit I don't think. esp since this will be canonical's not mine so attribution would get confusing [09:01] <jdub> AndyFitz: so, consider the legal POV on using this font in, say, acrobat reader. [09:01] <mvo> hey pitti [09:01] <infinity> 3-clause BSD, MIT, or LGPL would all be better choices for something as widely-used as a font, IMO. [09:02] <bob2> MIT/x11 4 lyf [09:02] <AndyFitz> I have no problem with LGPL if thats cool with the rest of canonical [09:03] <lucas> arg luit isn't in Ubuntu anymore :/ [09:05] <jdub> an MPL derived license might be a good choice [09:05] <jdub> hrm, hmm. [09:06] <AndyFitz> sabdfl agreed to gpl so I ran with that but anything is good so long as its free enough to be distributed freely [09:07] <AndyFitz> time for this geek to skate back to the bat cave. [09:08] <AndyFitz> jdub, thanks alot for you help. I appreciate it. ciao [09:31] <daniels> mdz: please update the seeds to have libgl1-mesa and libgl1-mesa-dri instead of xlibmesa-gl/libgl1-xorg and xlibmesa-dri/libgl1-xorg-dri [09:31] <jdub> hmm [09:32] <daniels> elmo: please remove libgl1-xorg* from the archive [09:33] <jdub> yo chmj [09:33] <mvo> daniels: will we get r300 dri support :) ? [09:34] <daniels> mvo: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-August/009480.html [09:34] <daniels> mvo: that's possibly slightly misleading as we need ddx and drm updates yet, but close enough [09:34] <chmj> hey jdub [09:34] <daniels> mvo: ddx is coming, i guess drm is close too [09:36] <mvo> daniels: that's great news! [09:36] <seb128> hi [09:37] <pitti_> Hi seb128 [09:37] <seb128> what is great news? [09:37] <mvo> morning seb128 [09:37] <seb128> hey pitti mvo :) [09:38] <mvo> seb128: we are getting dri support for r300 based cards [09:38] <seb128> oh, cool [09:39] <daniels> yeah [09:39] <daniels> only agp though [09:39] <daniels> no-one's written pcie gart stuff for the drm though [09:41] <daniels> mdz: (nevermind) [09:48] <Mithrandir> daniels: does that mean "pcie cards won't work" or "pcie won't be accellerated"? [09:48] <daniels> the latter [09:48] <daniels> you don't get DRI, or good Xv [09:48] <daniels> (since good Xv requires you to be able to DMA to the card) [09:48] <seb128> elmo: around? [09:50] <\sh> gentlemen...u want to listen to a secret at my company? [09:50] <\sh> we replaced all of our sun dns machines to hp/compaq dl380 ones with hoary on it... [09:50] <infinity> Well, it won't be very secret if you disclose it in a publically logged channel. [09:51] <daniels> the only thing better than a dl380 is a dl385 [09:51] <\sh> hehe..i don't mention the name of the company [09:51] <`anthony> daniels: is it worth logging a bug about fullscreen Xv support using the nv driver producing corrupted video? or will upstream just not care? [09:51] <Treenaks> \sh: congrats :) [09:51] <infinity> servereyes.de? [09:51] <\sh> infinity: no... [09:51] <daniels> if that's what passes for a secret at your company, you need to work somewhere more exciting [09:51] <daniels> unless it's novell or red hat or something (or sun) which makes it interesting [09:51] <\sh> infinity: the company which is paying me, and payed ogra before he started to work for canonical :) [09:52] <\sh> daniels: i worked for redhat ,-) [09:52] <daniels> `anthony: yeah, sure, but worth trying the nv driver from head first. if I'm feeling particularly useful, I'll even merge in Exa support to nv first, so you can have a shiny fast desktop. [09:52] <\sh> infinity: i will talk to our PR guys...to have a real announcement for ubuntu :) [09:53] <mvo> daniels: is it worth to report a file conflict between libgl1-mesa-dev and x11proto-gl-dev? (/usr/include/GL/glx.h) [09:53] <daniels> (if the gods smile upon me, breezy will ship with exa as the default for nv and radeon.) [09:53] <daniels> mvo: no, because I've already fixed it, but I just forgot to upload x11proto-gl [09:54] <mvo> daniels: ok, thanks [09:54] <\sh> daniels: this won't happen...cause god is coming to cologne and his partner landed a couple of minutes ago in cologne/bonn airport [09:54] <\sh> s/in/at/ [09:54] <daniels> mvo: fix uploaded [09:55] <daniels> (oh yeah, and maybe for sis too, but no-one cares about sis aside from twini.) [09:55] <seb128> daniels: the video card on the box that get 640x480 with hoary liveCD is an "intel 82865G" [09:55] <mvo> daniels: heh, that was fast! [09:55] <daniels> seb128: yeah, known issue. the only bug with more dupes was the 'x is broken in ten ways' one from the start of breezy. [09:55] <daniels> mvo: well, I'd already fixed it a couple of days ago before I did mesa, just forgot to upload. [09:55] <`anthony> daniels: Exa support? [09:56] <daniels> seb128: it has slightly more dupes than 'nvidia bites', I think [09:56] <daniels> s/nvidia/&-glx/ [09:56] <daniels> `anthony: shiny new acceleration architecture to replace our crappy old one. largely cribbed from kaa in kdrive, so it makes composite accelerated and usable, and does xrender very well (its use cases during development were render and composite). [09:57] <seb128> daniels: hum, k. Going to be fixed for 5.10 ? [09:57] <daniels> `anthony: and the main exa ninja reverse-engineered large swathes of most of the nvidia chipsets one day out of sheer frustration, so nv has working exa support, including dma for uploading and downloading data. :) [09:57] <daniels> seb128: it was fixed in the first upload after hoary [09:57] <seb128> gra, ok ok [09:57] <`anthony> daniels: K. Is this going to be something (the HEAD nv driver) that I can install on a hoary box without massive massive pain? I'm completely uninterested in running breezy on it, cos it's my main work machine. [09:57] <daniels> seb128: i don't have any intel desktop kit, and I didn't get a single useful log or anything until after it was too late [09:58] <daniels> seb128: just 'oh my god how broken' [09:58] <daniels> `anthony: ha ha. [09:58] <`anthony> daniels: That's what I figured. [09:58] <daniels> `anthony: it changes the server core as well as the drivers, so no [09:58] <`anthony> I'd think about running breezy, but I'm too attached to having a working X server. [09:58] <\sh> `anthony: the x server is working [09:59] <`anthony> \sh: today ;) [09:59] <infinity> It's been fine for weeks. [09:59] <`anthony> I will wait a week or so, and grab a livecd to test with that. [10:00] <\sh> `anthony: it's running for weeks now... [10:01] <\sh> oh sorry...i didn't want to repeat infinity [10:01] <doko> pitti: the dutch thing ... please don't upload, waiting for elmo to sync ... [10:01] <Mithrandir> repeat infinity can take a long time, I guess. [10:01] <pitti> doko: no, I won't [10:01] <\sh> Mithrandir: hmmmm...Freud? [10:02] <\sh> I think so [10:04] <seb128> pitti: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13678 is either for you or to close (we have 2.3.7 as current package, not sure if you fixed warty/hoary) [10:05] <pitti> seb128: ah, you also wade through the huge bug list imported from Debian? [10:05] <pitti> seb128: yes, I fixed that in a recent USN [10:05] <seb128> pitti: yet, like I had no enough bugs waiting for me, they decided to make a new wave :) [10:06] <pitti> closed [10:06] <seb128> thanks [10:07] <daniels> seb128: do you want more bugs? [10:07] <daniels> seb128: now X is split, I can happily hand off all the shitty little client-side libraries to you :P [10:08] <seb128> daniels: no thanks ;) [10:09] <pitti> bah, why don't we have jigdo files for the current images? [10:10] <daniels> seb128: it'll be great. you'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll drink yourself to an early death. [10:10] <daniels> seb128: well, you won't really laugh, but close enough. [10:10] <seb128> I've already my fun with GNOME [10:10] <seb128> but you can try giving that to pitti by example :) [10:12] <daniels> seb128: think of how awesome it will be [10:12] <daniels> seb128: i'll never tell you that something's a gtk bug again [10:12] <daniels> seb128: it doesn't matter whether it's in gtk, libxrender, or libx11, because it'll always be your fault! [10:12] <daniels> seb128: it'll make life much easier [10:13] <infinity> I fully support this initiative. [10:13] <seb128> hum, thanks [10:13] <seb128> because of you I kind of like my gtk bugs now :p [10:13] <daniels> 'i am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.' [10:15] <tepsipakki> daniels: about #13362 (again)... will this exa make my life easier?-) [10:17] <Mithrandir> doko: 13660, does that affect us? [10:18] <doko> yes and no, we either need to install the correct x86_64 headers from glibc, or update amd64-libs to glibc-2.3.5. that's a jbailey thing at the moment [10:19] <daniels> tepsipakki: umm ... not at all. the nv exa acceleration only accelerates 2d ops, no 3d. [10:19] <tepsipakki> daniels: ok [10:19] <Mithrandir> doko: ok, so I'll bump it to jbailey. [10:19] <ogra> morning [10:19] <doko> please do [10:20] <tepsipakki> daniels: I know how to get around the preseeding stuff, touch nvidia_drv.o before xserver-xorg configures [10:20] <tepsipakki> but if the config-script hasn't changed much after hoary it should still work [10:21] <tepsipakki> without that trickery [10:26] <Jimbob> daniels (or anyone): What's the diff between libgl1-xorg and libgl1-mesa in breezy? [10:41] <infinity> Jimbob : The first is going away tonight, that's the difference. Give me time to upload and rebuild everything. :) [10:42] <Jimbob> ahh [10:44] <daniels> tepsipakki: i'm surprised that preseeding nvidia worked at all in hoary. istr the logic being roughly the same. [10:46] <tepsipakki> well, if nvidia-glx has been unpacked, shouldn't xserver-xorg.config then notice the driver in /usr.../modules? [10:46] <lucas> daniels: any workarounds for my non-UTF-8 locales bug ? I tried for an hour, but life in UTF-8 sucks for me. [10:47] <daniels> lucas: no idea, sorry. i'm swamped looking at other stuff. [10:47] <lucas> ok :/ [10:55] <daniels> seb128: ... evince uses dbus? [10:55] <seb128> daniels: correct [10:55] <Lathiat> daniels: isnt it the factory stuff? (bonobo styles?) [10:55] <daniels> seb128: what on earth for? [10:56] <seb128> daniels: to be commanded by dbus [10:57] <daniels> seb128: ow, my head. [10:57] <tepsipakki> the new evince rocks.. it finally has proper text-selection [11:02] <infinity> seb128 : What sort of use case is there for externally driving a document reader? [11:03] <daniels> i mean, i'm the biggest dbus cheerleader evar (ask jdub), but even I think this is a little bit insane [11:03] <daniels> just like I think one module for every tiny little script and sample app that xorg ships is slightly insane [11:05] <seb128> infinity: automated testing [11:05] <seb128> the wiki page mention " Backend sandboxing; like [WWW] Colin Walters imsep idea, run the rendering backend in an SELinux jail over DBus... call it D-Evince." [11:06] <daniels> how about just writing a backend that isn't hideously insecure? [11:06] <daniels> alos, d-evince totally has to use dconf [11:06] <seb128> ha ha [11:06] <seb128> good one [11:06] <Nafallo> morning all :-) [11:06] <daniels> seb128: you think i'm joking [11:06] <seb128> this dconf stuff is a joke [11:06] <daniels> seb128: i'll make that official fd.o policy. any d* project has to use dconf. including d-bus. [11:07] <seb128> would be funny :) [11:07] <daniels> including dak [11:07] <daniels> dak will have to use dconf as well [11:08] <seb128> let's move dpkg on freedesktop and make it use dconf too :) [11:09] <daniels> totally [11:09] <daniels> it can't possibly get any worse than it is now :P [11:12] <tepsipakki> is there any hope of gconf getting a ldap-backend by 6.04?-) [11:12] <daniels> tepsipakki: DECONF! [11:12] <daniels> DCONF, even [11:13] <tepsipakki> heh [11:13] <daniels> seb128: you'd better watch your back, or I'm going to write a DconfSpec, SebastienBacherLead [11:13] <daniels> seb128: BreezyGoal [11:13] <Nafallo> FeautureFreeze ;-) [11:13] <Nafallo> Breezy+1 [11:13] <seb128> daniels: speaking aobut spec you should better get the xine one moving :) [11:14] <daniels> dconf is too important to wait [11:14] <daniels> seb128: can't do it this week [11:14] <azeem> I thought dconf was just a step on the way to econf, as that clearly has the sexier letter in front of it [11:15] <daniels> econf will be FULLY GL-RENDERED [11:15] <daniels> and also never released, and crash all the time [11:15] <daniels> and all your settings will come out typoed [11:15] <Treenaks> daniels: ah, you've spoken to rasterman? [11:15] <Lathiat> i thought gconf had an ldap backend [11:16] <Lathiat> or is it non operational? [11:16] <tepsipakki> not applied [11:16] <tepsipakki> it should exist thouhg [11:16] <daniels> and stacked benchmarks of econf will come out which clearly show econf's best case it has been hand-tweaked for against gconf's worst case ever, a case that no-one uses, and then people will run around saying OMG NOT PERFORMANT WTF [11:16] <daniels> not that I'm bitter [11:17] <Lathiat> you just want a pony? [11:18] <daniels> i want several ponies [11:18] <tepsipakki> for me one of the worst "features" of GNOME/KDE is that two sessions on different machines is not supported [11:18] <Lathiat> now now don't get greedy [11:20] <\sh> hmmm...colony 3...I should manually partition my harddrive...but there is no way to do it ,-) [11:23] <ogra_> seb128: do you know if your student also made sure that the update-nootifier doesnt get run for non privileged users ? i think thats an essential thing ... [11:24] <ogra_> (just struck me) [11:24] <mvo> ogra_++ [11:25] <seb128> what has that to do with my student? [11:25] <seb128> update-notifier is mvo's [11:25] <ogra_> seb128: i think he works on a distinction mechanism fro privileged/unprivileged users [11:26] <seb128> that's not app specific [11:26] <seb128> up to mvo to use X-Ubuntu-RootRequired=yes for his .desktop [11:26] <ogra_> no, but if all gksudo stuff gets supressed, update-notifier should too [11:26] <seb128> all desktop files using X-Ubuntu-RootRequired=yes are masked [11:26] <ogra_> hmm, ut its more then a .desktop file in this case [11:27] <seb128> that's up to the package to use it [11:28] <mvo> seb128: could you please ask him to send me a quick overview what method he uses to figure if the user is a sudoer? [11:30] <ogra> which will be difficult for trayicons.... [11:30] <seb128> mvo: atm it looks if you are on the "adm" group [11:30] <seb128> ups [11:30] <seb128> admin [11:30] <mvo> seb128: good enough for ubuntu I suspect [11:30] <seb128> yeah, good enough while we sort the "sudo -l" stuff [11:31] <seb128> I've to restart to be sure the new orbit package doesn't screw anything, brb [11:37] <pitti> cu later [11:43] <mayco> I've downloaded and tried the colony 3 live cd on my dell inspiron 6000 laptop, but when it gets into X, i get a blank screen. Whan can I do to help make the dell inspiron 6000 work out of the box? [11:47] <seb128> siretart: around? [11:47] <seb128> elmo: ping? [11:55] <Lathiat> daniels: sooo... [11:55] <Lathiat> daniels: libgl1-mesa-dev now? [11:55] <daniels> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libxf1bpp.so not recognized [11:55] <daniels> debian/xserver-xorg-core/usr/lib/xorg/modules/libxf1bpp.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped [11:55] <daniels> what's not to recognise? [11:56] <daniels> Lathiat: libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev [11:56] <Lathiat> and libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev ? [11:56] <daniels> yeah [11:56] <Lathiat> well, at least its consistent now. [12:03] <daniels> gar, why is dpkg-shlibdeps so hideously broken [12:03] <infinity> Lathiat : They're mostly being fixed by me right now anyway. [12:03] <Mithrandir> is mozilla (suite) unstable on ppc? [12:04] <Mithrandir> daniels: it tries to parse the name, and it doesn't understand that you can have unversioned shared objects. [12:06] <daniels> Mithrandir: no, it does [12:06] <daniels> if (m,^\s*NEEDED\s+((\S+)\.so\.(\S+))$,) { [12:07] <daniels> } elsif (m,^\s*NEEDED\s+((\S+)-(\S+)\.so)$,) { [12:07] <daniels> utterly, utterly broken [12:23] <daniels> elmo: could you please promote everything built from mesa to main? [12:24] <infinity> elmo : It's reasonably urgent. :/ (Half the world is FTBFS until mesa-common-dev moves to main) [12:28] <infinity> elmo : "it" being daniels's request to move the mesa binaries to main. [12:30] <Mithrandir> go kino, ==3230== definitely lost: 1893257 bytes in 38 blocks. [12:31] <seb128__> elmo: we also need to sync cairo, and the new pango 2.10 from experimental with it ... and libcairo2 (soname change) needs to go to main or the other half of the world will FTBFS too since it will break anything using GTK [12:35] <Lathiat> infinity: are your doing mass gl dep changes? [12:36] <infinity> Lathiat : yes, but I can't finish main until elmo fixes the archive. I'll do as much universe as I can do, though (ie: the packages that don't depend on main being changed first) [12:36] <Lathiat> righto [12:37] <Lathiat> i need to get approved as a motu so i can do these sorts of things that are such a waste of time doing debdiffs for :) [12:37] <infinity> Takes longer to look at a debdiff and fix it than it does to just do it myself. [12:37] <Lathiat> exactly [12:38] <infinity> And in this case, I promised to fix what daniels and I broke (intentionally), so it's in my lap anyway. :) [12:38] <Lathiat> does give me more to base my case for becoming a motu tho :) [12:38] <seb128> infinity: are you going to upload a lot of GTK dependend stuff? [12:38] <Lathiat> whats wrong with archive? [12:40] <infinity> seb128 : GTK, QT, libforms, you name it. GL/GLU support is toolkit agnostic, baby. [12:40] <infinity> seb128 : Wehy do you ask? Do we need a mass rebuild for the cairo bump as well [12:40] <infinity> ? [12:40] <seb128> infinity: exactly, cairo soname change is planned for today [12:41] <seb128> as soon as elmo is around ... [12:41] <seb128> so better to rebuild stuff once [12:41] <infinity> seb128 : Heh. Elmo is mine first, damnit. [12:41] <seb128> :) [12:41] <infinity> seb128 : I don't much care how many times things get rebuilt. We have the CPU power. :) [12:41] <seb128> k [12:41] <infinity> seb128 : But in the name of elegance, I'll agree with you. It also sucks if our uploads collide. [12:42] <seb128> right, so we just have to find elmo now ;) [12:42] <Lathiat> in general gtk/gl stuff doesnt cross *that* much [12:42] <infinity> seb128 : How about you just promise not to touch anything with a dep/build-dep on libgl/libglu/freeglut/libglut until after I've touched it? [12:42] <infinity> :) [12:42] <seb128> infinity: I've an another solution, what about you doing both transition so we don't conflict? :) [12:42] <infinity> (Add *mesae* to that list) [12:43] <infinity> Yeah, Icould do that too. :) [12:43] <seb128> do you have a rebuild-o-matic for transition? [12:43] <seb128> hum, I should have a look on what doko pointed the other day [12:43] <infinity> Oh, libcairo1 only has 236 rdepends. That's not so bad... [12:44] <infinity> seb128 : You could just upload them all right now. [12:45] <infinity> Bump your libcairo build-deps, version your library build-deps to be tight enough, watch them all enter dep-wait, then wait for elmo to do the sync. [12:45] <seb128> making them Build-Depends on the new gtk so they will dep-wait? [12:45] <seb128> k [12:46] <infinity> When all 236 start building, it's like a lottery to see which ones FTBFS! :) [12:46] <infinity> (It's also a reasonably sane way to do it anyway, as tight build-deps mean stuff is actually rebuildable... Ish) [12:46] <seb128> yeah, expecting than you don't win at lottery :p [12:48] <infinity> seb128 : Advantage of you slamming all those uploads up as quickly as you can is that I can grab your ACCEPTED sources and do my changes, no harm done. [12:48] <Nafallo> jdub: btw, you got my planet-mail some month ago or so? :-) [12:48] <seb128> infinity: yeah, I'll start doing that just after lunch [12:49] <infinity> Lunch, schmunch. [12:49] <doko> seb128: send me a list of source packages, thenI can do that as well [12:50] <seb128> doko: is there a way to make a list of the sources packages from the binary packages? [12:52] <Lathiat> infinity: when you do poker3d, it needs libxml2-python2.4 -> python2.4-libxml2 build-dep change too [12:52] <infinity> Lathiat : I'm sure I would have found that out the hard way. :) [12:53] <Lathiat> heh just saying i was goign through my list of pending patches for someone to look at :) [12:53] <infinity> seb128 : Does it have to be pretty? [12:53] <infinity> for i in `apt-cache rdepends libcairo1 | grep '^ '`; do apt-cache showsrc $i; done |grep ^Package | awk '{print $2}' | sort -u [12:53] <infinity> Cause that's pretty ugly. :) [12:54] <doko> yes, something like that ... [12:55] <guillem> Tell me if this is not the right channel: I've seen poor performance at USB-sticks and DVD-RAM when using filesystems other than reiserfs (and perhaps vfat) mounted with the sync option. [12:55] <seb128> infinity: that should do the trick, thanks. [12:56] <guillem> That problem did not happen at my RH7.3 box (no DVD-RAM there, so only USB-stick checked) [01:03] <mvo> seb128: a pretty version: import apt, sys [01:03] <mvo> c = apt.Cache() [01:03] <mvo> p = c[sys.argv[1] ] [01:03] <mvo> for rdep in p._pkg.RevDependsList: [01:03] <mvo> print c[rdep.ParentPkg.Name] .sourcePackageName [01:04] <seb128> mvo: do you have a version doing main / universe as separate lists? :) [01:04] <seb128> doko: where did you say you have your transition stuff? [01:05] <\sh> c++? [01:05] <doko> concordia cxx/auto [01:05] <\sh> oh [01:06] <siretart> seb128: pong [01:06] <mvo> seb128: oregano (universe/gnome) Src: oregano [01:06] <mvo> libgpewidget1 (universe/libs) Src: libgpewidget [01:06] <mvo> libgcj6-awt (universe/libs) Src: gcc-4.0 [01:06] <mvo> gcc-snapshot (universe/devel) Src: gcc-snapshot [01:06] <mvo> fdclock (universe/x11) Src: fdclock [01:06] <mvo> libcairo1-dev (libdevel) Src: libcairo [01:06] <mvo> seb128: is that waht you want? [01:06] <seb128> mvo: ups, I should try befire asking :) [01:06] <seb128> yeah [01:07] <mvo> seb128: no, I had to tweak it first :) [01:07] <seb128> oh, k [01:08] <doko> seb128: please leave out the gcc-4.0 and gcc-snapshot package ;) [01:09] <ogra> first32.c:(.text+0x1f3): undefined reference to `memcmp' [01:09] <mvo> doko: is that for gcj stuff (the dependency?) [01:09] <ogra> hmm, string.h is included.... has anybody an idea ? [01:09] <seb128> doko: k, I'm trying to figure how your tools work [01:09] <doko> AWT gtk peer bindings, yes [01:10] <mvo> ogra: what pkg? [01:10] <ogra> mknbi [01:10] <seb128> doko: aspell-update.sh and bupdate.sh are 2 different transitions, right ? [01:10] <doko> seb128: you did ask for the tool, not for the docs ;-P [01:10] <doko> yes, take bupdate.sh [01:11] <seb128> I just have to tweak them for the upload/changelog/build-depends changes I want and to provide the right list? [01:11] <seb128> k [01:11] <doko> modifiy the message in the script, and call it bupdate.s $(cat sources) [01:11] <doko> seb128: yes, insert the edit stuff at the place, where dch is called [01:12] <doko> seb128: ahh, and when you edit something, don't insert a buildN suffix, but always a ubuntuN suffix ... [01:13] <seb128> doko: depending on the transitionned version of GTK is the clean way to do that ... but I'm not sure I can automate that correctly [01:13] <seb128> maybe I should wait to get the new gtk on the buildd [01:13] <seb128> and they do a rebuild without changes [01:14] <mvo> ogra: that's a interessting package. assembler code all over the place [01:15] <doko> seb128: that sounds better, although it needs infinity, lamont and fabbione ... at least it's only _one_ package which needs to be installed on the buildd [01:16] <seb128> infinity: would that be good enough? [01:16] <ogra> mvo, i simply dont understand why it include string.h but still doesnt find memcmp [01:16] <seb128> mvo: what did you tweak to get the section? [01:17] <mvo> seb128: import apt, sys [01:17] <mvo> c = apt.Cache() [01:17] <mvo> p = c[sys.argv[1] ] [01:17] <mvo> for rdep in p._pkg.RevDependsList: [01:17] <mvo> pkg = c[rdep.ParentPkg.Name] [01:17] <mvo> print "%s (%s) Src: %s" % (pkg.name, pkg.section, pkg.sourcePackageNam [01:17] <seb128> thanks [01:17] <seb128> and sorry to be lazy :) [01:17] <mvo> ogra: it's in linux-asm-string.h, it does not link against libc [01:17] <mvo> seb128: no problem :) [01:17] <mvo> seb128: sorry for not pasting it earlier [01:18] <ogra> seb128, you and the word lazy in one sencents simply doesnt fit ;) [01:19] <ogra> sentence [01:19] <seb128> ha ha [01:20] <\sh> grmpf [01:20] <\sh> no evolution connector for ms exchange 5.5? [01:21] <infinity> seb128 : The buildd chroots shouldn't have gtk installed at all anyway, the problem is that if an arch lags behind, it could do your rebuilt apps before it rebuilds GTK. [01:21] <infinity> seb128 : Not a problem for the DC arches, but it could break hppa/sparc (in the grand scheme of things, breaking hppa/sparc isn't a big deal, but it does upset lamont and fabio a bit) [01:22] <infinity> seb128 : For the DC arches, though, if you rebuild GTK, wait for it to be installed in the archive on all 4 arches, then do your other uploads, it should "just work". [01:23] <infinity> seb128 : And I wouldn't slap you too hard about doing it that way. [01:23] <infinity> seb128 : It means you can't upload anything until elmo shows up, though. :) [01:23] <seb128> yeah, k, I'll do that [01:23] <seb128> and that's only ~200 packages to rebuild [01:24] <seb128> fabbione/lamont will manage to catch up :) [01:24] <infinity> It's not a question of catching up, it's that they may end up with broken deps if they build out of order. [01:24] <seb128> they will have to binary NMU the stuff still depending on libcairo1 [01:24] <infinity> Which means new source uploads to fix second-class arches, since we don't do binNMUs. [01:24] <seb128> or to wait for the next upload [01:25] <fabbione> or use versioned B-D like any sane develope [01:25] <fabbione> +r [01:26] <seb128> fabbione: want to do the 200 uploads ? [01:26] <fabbione> that would be about time.. [01:26] <seb128> I'm already kind of really busy [01:26] <fabbione> seb128: do you want to take over kernel and X apps :) [01:26] <fabbione> so am i [01:26] <seb128> so if I can automate that instead of taking 2 days [01:26] <mjg59> jdub: Hi [01:27] <fabbione> seb128: just tell me the order. i can stop the buildd and do it manually.. [01:27] <doko> seb128, infinity: why not do the same game as we did for the C++ stuff? [01:27] <infinity> fabbione : Verioned build-deps were my first suggestion. He's trying to weasel out of them. :) [01:28] <seb128> there other options is: [01:28] <seb128> I do the ~80 mains packages [01:28] <doko> infinity: b-d's are evil for such kind of things ;) [01:28] <seb128> and I let MOTU fix the universe craps :) [01:28] <mvo> doko: do you know if something changed in gcc 4.0 and it's buildin intrinsics (like __buildin_memcmp)? [01:28] <doko> mov: no [01:28] <seb128> anyway I'm grabbing some food, brb [01:28] <infinity> doko : No, it's precisely one of the things they're meant for. Build-depends are for build daemons, it's a happy accident that they sometimes work for by-hand builds and backports. [01:28] <doko> mvo: no, nothing changed AFAIK [01:28] <pitti> Hi [01:29] <infinity> doko : Build-depends are the only way we really have to enforce consistent builds. [01:29] <doko> infinity: yes for libs, no for apps [01:30] <doko> at least that's the way unstable is currently handled ... [01:30] <infinity> fabbione : You may be better off just telling your buildd not to build anything until you've done GTK and uploaded it. [01:31] <doko> seb128: do you change the b-d to libcairo2-dev? [01:31] <infinity> doko : Yeah, that's because Debian developers whine loudly, and with 1000 voices. Ubuntu build-deps do seem to be tighter, on average. [01:31] <fabbione> infinity: ok i did stop the buildd.. [01:32] <fabbione> infinity: so again.. i need to build cairo and than gtk? [01:32] <fabbione> and then i can unleash the buildd again? [01:32] <infinity> fabbione : yeah, once elmo pops his head in and does the cairo sync. [01:32] <fabbione> ok [01:33] <infinity> fabbione : GTK will build-dep on the new cairo, so that's not an issue. Just looks like the apps won't have versioned GTK build-deps, cause seb has other things to do (TBH, I don't blame him) [01:33] <infinity> fabbione : Oh, while you're waiting, can you make sure that the latest mesa is built on sparc?... That'll effect my uploads (again, once elmo's around and shuffles the archive) [01:36] <fabbione> infinity: it's still building.. [01:36] <fabbione> so if it doesn't FTBFS we are teh rock [01:36] <infinity> It won't. [01:42] <Mitario> hi everyone [01:42] <Mithrandir> iconview/qiconview.cpp:378: warning: class QIconViewToolTip has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor [01:42] <Mithrandir> iconview/qiconview.cpp: In member function virtual void QIconView::doAutoScroll(): [01:42] <Mithrandir> iconview/qiconview.cpp:3310: error: region was not declared in this scope [01:42] <Mitario> is there some bazaar bugreport/development channel? [01:42] <Mithrandir> oh, bloody silly qt. [01:42] <seb128> doko: gtk will build-depends on libcairo2-dev [01:42] <seb128> doko: apps only build-depends on libgtk2.0-dev, not on cairo [01:42] <seb128> they get the Depends while building with gtk [01:42] <\sh> Mithrandir: qt4? ,-) [01:43] <Mithrandir> \sh: qt3 from breezy. [01:44] <\sh> Mithrandir: which arc? qt3 was building fine the last time I tried ;) [01:44] <infinity> seb128 : That sort of thing could be fixed once and for all with a sane useage of libtool that didn't leak transient library deps... [01:46] <Mithrandir> \sh: the last two versions haven't built properly. [01:46] <infinity> If QT builds at all, I consider that improper. [01:48] <\sh> Mithrandir: are the sources in the archives? so I can have a look this evenin [01:48] <\sh> g [01:49] <Mithrandir> \sh: feel free [01:49] <\sh> Mithrandir: 3:3.3.4-4ubuntu3 ? [01:50] <Mithrandir> \sh: yes. [01:50] <\sh> Mithrandir: can't be serious ,-) [01:51] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@golem ~ > apt-cache showsrc qt-x11-free | grep ^Version ; apt-cache show libqt3-mt-dev | grep ^Version [01:51] <Mithrandir> Version: 3:3.3.4-4ubuntu3 [01:51] <Mithrandir> Version: 3:3.3.4-4ubuntu2 [01:52] <mvo> ogra_*: can you actually test this mknbi stuff? I made it build but would feel better if it was tested [01:53] <ogra_ltsp> mvo, i could try, but i have not even a machine with floppy around... mknbi creates netboot floppies [01:53] <Lathiat> can use qemu [01:53] <Lathiat> or vmware [01:55] <mvo> doko: it looks like -Os does not/no longer include __buildin_* intrinsics? [01:55] <mvo> ogra__: I killed my last floppy a while ago ... [01:56] <fabbione> infinity: ok.. i have MESA up for sparc.. buildd is in idle [01:56] <mvo> ogra__: you need this stuff for edubuntu, right? [01:57] <infinity> fabbione : Fantabulous. Do freeglut once the new mesa is in, and you're doing even better. :) [01:57] <fabbione> infinity: it's already in mesa.. [01:58] <fabbione> i have a local cache for pkgs in main :) [01:58] <fabbione> so i can save 2/3 hours roundrobin between archive -> ports -> home [01:58] <doko> doko: since when? [01:59] <ogra> mvo, where is the source to test ?
 doko: since when? <- lovely to talk alone, isn't it? [02:00] <fabbione> infinity: freeglut building [02:01] <doko> fabbione: ok, need a break ... [02:01] <doko> mvo: since when? [02:01] <mvo> orga: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/mknbi [02:01] <ogra> thanks [02:01] <mvo> doko: don't know, it seems to be (one) cause for the FTBFS of mknbi, I will do a quick test-case to check it [02:02] <pvanhoof> will the mono packages in breezy get fixed? [02:03] <pvanhoof> it's missing all the assemblies [02:03] <ogra> mvo, looks bad.... [02:03] <ogra> mvo, (not caused by your fix though) [02:04] <ogra> seems to have utf8 probs.... [02:04] <mvo> ogra: what's happening? [02:04] <ogra> just upgrading the machine, probably perl is outdated [02:08] <retrix> am i correct in assuming breezy will use the network-admin tool as hoary did? [02:08] <ogra> looks like :/ [02:08] <ogra> mvo, ogra@workie:~$ mknbi-linux [02:08] <ogra> Warning: Perl 5.8 may have a bug that affects handing of strings in Unicode [02:08] <ogra> locales that may cause misbehaviour with binary files. To work around this [02:08] <ogra> problem, set $LANG to not have a suffix of .UTF-8 before running this program. [02:08] <ogra> mkelf-linux is preferred in future instead of mknbi-linux [02:08] <ogra> Usage: /usr/bin/mknbi-linux kernelimage [ramdisk] [02:09] <ogra> mvo, even after an upgrade.... [02:09] <mvo> doko: seems to be a pretty special case the problem with mknbi [02:09] <mvo> ogra: just unsetting LANG before running it does not help? [02:10] <ogra> works... [02:10] <hunger> What is left of the network magic goal, now that network manager seems to be out of scope? [02:16] <mjg59> Anyone have any opinions on 13743? [02:16] <mjg59> ogra: Ping? [02:20] <carstenh> pitti: ping [02:21] <pitti> hi carstenh [02:21] <Mithrandir> mjg59: try loading them in the other order, or can that fail too? [02:22] <mjg59> Mithrandir: That could fail too [02:22] <mjg59> The problem is that if one module doesn't load, we don't fall back to the second [02:22] <Mithrandir> mjg59: I guess "beat the manufacturer with a baseball bat" is not an option? [02:23] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Not now the hardware exists, no [02:23] <Mithrandir> mjg59: I guess just falling back as you suggest is our only real option, then [02:25] <infinity> Erm, wait. Which manufacturer has 8139[abc] PCI ids on an 8139c+ card? (or vice versa) [02:25] <infinity> That's just wrong. [02:26] <infinity> (But yes, if such overlaps do exist, there's not much we can do but try both and pray) [02:27] <Mithrandir> 0000:00:05.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) [02:27] <Mithrandir> you mean that one? [02:31] <mjg59> Yeah [02:32] <mjg59> That PCI ID could be either driver [02:32] <fabbione> infinity: ok.. freeglut done.. what's next? [02:33] <fabbione> infinity: ubuntu7 is only a rebuild.. right? [02:34] <infinity> fabbione : yeah, no worries rthere. [02:34] <fabbione> infinity: so ia64 did use the old mesa... [02:35] <fabbione> or is it something else i need to check? [02:35] <infinity> fabbione : Dirty chroot. 1 out of my 12 chroots apparently still had the dpkg segv breakage. Cleaned up now. [02:35] <fabbione> ahh ok [02:36] <mako> mdz: you're right [02:37] <Treenaks> infinity: ogra? [02:37] <infinity> That would be fun. [02:41] <infinity> Alternately, I could blame it on daniels. Hrmph. [02:42] <ogra> infinity, my last build of xscreensaver was on Jun 02, that one worked... no idea why there is no debian/tmp/etc/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver [02:42] <ogra> only pitti any you touched it inbetween [02:43] <infinity> I know why there isn't. Looking into it. [02:43] <ogra> mjg59, pong... sorry, had nop time for gnome-power yet [02:43] <ogra> (guessing thats the reason for the ping) [02:43] <mjg59> ogra: Yup [02:43] <mjg59> ogra: If it's going into Breezy, we need to fix it up soon [02:44] <ogra> i know... i'll try to get it ready before sunday [02:45] <paolo-> seb128: what word does describe the current status of libcairo? :-) [02:45] <seb128> paolo-: waiting for elmo [02:46] <ogra> mjg59, sorry, i got struck by some unexpected stuff i have to fix first [02:46] <paolo-> OK, cool. In the meanwhile we got it working in gtk, it is really nice :-) http://haskell.org/gtk2hs/gallery/cairo/Screenshot_drawing_gdk http://haskell.org/gtk2hs/gallery/cairo/Screenshot_drawing_cairo [02:47] <seb128> rocl [02:47] <seb128> rock [02:47] <seb128> paolo-: is that using cairo directly, or gdk with cairo ? [02:48] <paolo-> seb128: it's using cairo functions on the cairo context got from gdk_cairo_create() [02:49] <seb128> paolo-: there is difference on the same program between gdk 2.6 and 2.8? [02:49] <seb128> ie: it doesn't get better because gtk uses cairo? [02:49] <mjg59> ogra: Ok, cool [02:49] <mjg59> ogra: Thanks! [02:49] <paolo-> seb128: this snippet is built agains 2.8, in Gtk+2.6 you'd need to bind that GtkCairo widget or such. [02:50] <seb128> paolo-: yeah, but the non-smooth-lines is gtk 2.6 or 2.8 ? [02:50] <paolo-> 2.8 [02:50] <seb128> :( [02:50] <paolo-> Hmm, let me see.. [02:50] <seb128> I thought than GTK was using cairo for such stuff [02:50] <seb128> so you win the smooth for free [02:50] <seb128> ie: no need to recode stuff [02:51] <paolo-> Let me check with the guy fond on Gtk :-) [02:51] <seb128> k [02:51] <paolo-> OK, it's 2.8 using Gdk :-( [02:51] <seb128> does the guy know why it's not smooth? [02:51] <seb128> since gdk uses cairo [02:53] <paolo-> The GDK interface still use direct Xlib things. [02:55] <paolo-> He say that thisis justified on the basis on compatibility, not upsetting things. And if people want the smooth lines & co then they can use the cairo interface which is more powerful and has more features than the gdk one, anyway. [02:56] <paolo-> "It's just that gtk+ 2.8 is using cairo now in places where it previously used the gdk drawing primitives, but if you use gdk you get gdk - besides, the gdk is quicker since it's lower level and more direcly maps to xlib calls" [02:57] <seb128> paolo-: thanks [02:57] <paolo-> You're welcome! [02:58] <carstenh> JaneW: ping. pitti told me that you are very creative when choosing kernel-names. do you have any suggestion for our firewall tool? [02:59] <JaneW> carstenh: hi... [02:59] <JaneW> carstenh: do you have a theme in mind? [02:59] <carstenh> hi [02:59] <JaneW> carstenh: and do you need a one off name or a series? [02:59] <carstenh> i have no idea :/ [02:59] <carstenh> should sound good and easy rememberalbe [03:00] <paolo-> seb128: I'll notice libcairo2 from breezy-changes, right? (so I'll not beg you anymore) [03:00] <carstenh> +be [03:00] <JaneW> carstenh: well I like the name Gryphon (mythical beast with body of a lion and head of an eagle, protector of the holy grail) [03:00] <seb128> paolo-: yep, but it'll probably be uploaded today [03:00] <carstenh> catalyst would sound good, but cisco uses it for its switches [03:00] <pitti> JaneW: we need a name for the firewall package, so no series :-) [03:00] <ogra> carstenh, portmaster... but thats (tm) too [03:01] <pitti> ubuwall - too ugly [03:01] <carstenh> ogra: originally i used netfilter in my proposal :/ [03:02] <pitti> carstenh: that's the name of the kernel side [03:02] <carstenh> pitti: because of that people writing this might not like me to use this name :) [03:02] <ogra> doorkeeper ? [03:02] <pitti> gryphon -- see, these names are the reason why I suggested to ask Jane :-) [03:03] <carstenh> JaneW: gryphon really sounds good, but a linux cd palyer uses it too [03:03] <chmj> pitti: eheh, that should be a winner [03:04] <JaneW> It's also spelt griffin (my sons name!) but the spelling Gryphon is more mythical [03:04] <JaneW> carstenh: ok Norbert? Fire breathing baby dragon in Harry Potter... [03:04] <pitti> reminds me of Gryffindor :-) [03:04] <JaneW> pitti: that too [03:05] <tseng> norbert is a DD [03:05] <carstenh> :) [03:05] <pitti> packetcop [03:05] <pitti> no, too ugly [03:05] <Mithrandir> elmo: please add linux-wlan-ng for amd64 as well in PaS [03:05] <\sh> JaneW: read the new harry potter... [03:06] <pitti> \sh: I have the book, but I didn't find time to read it so far :-) [03:06] <pitti> my gf has, though [03:06] <ogra> mvo, mknbi seems to produce a kernel image, i cant test its netboot capabilitys.... lets upload it and see if we get bugreports... a building package is still better then a non building package [03:06] <JaneW> \sh: no I only read the first - found them a bit 'young' but the movies have been good.... I akm sure I'll read them to the kids though [03:06] <\sh> pitti: I read it in a couple of hours... [03:07] <\sh> JaneW: the last two books are not for children (IMHO) [03:07] <\sh> JaneW: too much SM inside [03:07] <carstenh> siegfried killed a dragon, how was its name? [03:07] <\sh> kunigunde? [03:07] <\sh> oh no..that was the wifes name *lol* [03:08] <JaneW> Fafnir [03:08] <JaneW> A Norse dragon. Depending on which version of the legend you read, Fafnir began life either as a dwarf, a giant or the son of a magician! Either way, he was ultimately transformed into a dragon and slain by Siegfried. [03:08] <JaneW> doesn't really roll off the toungue though... [03:09] <JaneW> sounds like a stiffled sneeze! [03:09] <\sh> JaneW: fan of Nibelungen? [03:11] <\sh> reading "The Hobbit" and "LotR" at least twice a year, is pure fun :) [03:12] <carstenh> smaug does not really sound that good [03:12] <\sh> and every second year Kings "The Stand" (original edition with those 7592883 pages more) [03:12] <JaneW> Hestia - Greek goddess of fire, the hearth and home. [03:12] <JaneW> Pyrrha - "Fire"; daughter of Pandora and Epimetheus, and the Hellenic equivalent of Noah's wife. [03:12] <JaneW> Vesta - Roman goddess of fire, the hearth and home. [03:12] <JaneW> Eisa - "Embers"; Norse goddess of fire, the hearth and home, and daughter of the god Loki. [03:12] <JaneW> Gerda - Norse goddess of beauty, magic, fire, the sun and day, time. [03:13] <carstenh> JaneW: hestia sounds imho good [03:14] <ubuntuguy> Please improve ndiswrapper support for Breezy release. Thank you! [03:14] <Treenaks> uh [03:14] <pitti> wow [03:14] <Treenaks> please file a bug next time, kthxbye [03:14] <\sh> rotfl [03:14] <\sh> what was that [03:14] <pitti> fix my bugs, kthxbye [03:15] <elmo> seb128: what do you mean by pango 2.10?\ [03:16] <elmo> I only see a pango1.0 package in experimental [03:16] <pitti> seb128: do you know whether any program directly wants to access /tmp/.esd/socket? [03:16] <carstenh> since it is written in python pyrrha might be better ;) [03:16] <elmo> seb128: and I assume you mean 'libcairo' from unstable? [03:16] <carstenh> thanks a lot for all the suggestions [03:16] <seb128> elmo: pango1.0 1.10.0 [03:16] <\sh> I just found something about "Jane"...and she is really a "Jane" [03:17] <\sh> "Jane is an artificial sentience thought to exist within the ansible network by which spaceships and planets communicate in realtime across galactic distances." [03:17] <seb128> elmo: libcairo 0.9.2 [03:17] <pitti> carstenh: plasma - starts with p and is fire :-) [03:17] <seb128> elmo: and I'm going to upload gtk 2.8.0 ... I'll ping you again about it when incoming lists it [03:17] <pitti> yay, new gtk [03:18] <seb128> pitti: not that I know of [03:18] <fabbione> crack [03:18] <JaneW> \sh: :) [03:18] <JaneW> \sh: what about JANE weekly [03:18] <fabbione> seb128: cairo didn't propagate yet.. did it? [03:19] <seb128> fabbione: when this GTK is built and available for the buildd, all the rdepends of libcairo1 are going to be rebuild [03:19] <\sh> JaneW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_%28Ender%27s_Game%29 [03:19] <seb128> fabbione: no, it has not been synced yet, elmo just ponged [03:19] <fabbione> seb128: i did stop the buildd, waiting for cairo and later for gtk [03:19] <fabbione> ah ok [03:19] <seb128> fabbione: what you want to do is stop building with gtk << 2.8 from now [03:19] <fabbione> i already stopped.. [03:19] <seb128> ok [03:20] <JaneW> \sh: I mean Jane's Defense weekly [03:20] <carstenh> pitti: plasma.sf.net is upstream-dead since three years [03:20] <fabbione> seb128: remember i still have a bunch of apps that can't be built due to that binutils problem.. [03:20] <seb128> brb, I just reboot this box with gtk 2.8.0 before uploading to be sure [03:20] <pitti> carstenh: oh, it already exists? darn [03:21] <\sh> JaneW: u mean "What's the status of <name your fav. breezyGoal>" ? this defense? ,-) [03:22] <JaneW> lol [03:22] <bur[n] er> i dunno if you guys know this, but hibernate actually works in breezy ;) [03:25] <pitti> bur[n] er: not for me :-( [03:26] <\sh> pitti: wanna have this toshiba baby? ,-) [03:28] <carstenh> apollon is also known to put of harm (this is what a firewall should do) and is somehow related to python since he killed it :) [03:28] <pitti> \sh: well, my iBook works reasonably, and suspend to ram works fine :-) [03:30] <\sh> pitti: yesterday evening I tried to suspend2ram my nc6000..this morning I woke up..I had to remove the battery as well to let it run again.. [03:30] <seb128> elmo: thanks [03:30] <\sh> the power led was on..and the laptop was hot [03:31] <infinity> seb128 : Alright, where are you at in preparing for your transition, and what do we need to coordinate to not step on each others' toes? [03:32] <seb128> infinity: cairo/pango have been synced. I'm uploading gtk 2.8.0 which use them to Debian atm and will ask elmo to sync it from incoming when it's here [03:33] <bur[n] er> pitti: how do you suspend to ram? there's no gui way correct? [03:33] <seb128> infinity: then I'll make sure with you / fabbione / lamont than the buildd are ok before using doko's script to a mass rebuild [03:33] <jelkner> does anyone here have a minute to help out with a umask question? [03:34] <pitti> bur[n] er: I just close the lid or press the power button [03:34] <pitti> jelkner: just ask [03:34] <infinity> seb128 : Okay, tell me before you start, so I can stop uploading potentially-clashing packages. Until you're ready, I'll assume the archive is mine. :) [03:34] <jelkner> i have an ubuntu web server set up at our school, and i can't get the umask set right [03:34] <infinity> seb128 : Deal? [03:35] <pitti> jelkner: however, it sounds as if #ubuntu would be more appropriate [03:35] <seb128> infinity: fine with me, let's do that :) [03:35] <pitti> jelkner: you mean you can't set it or you don't know which one to set? [03:35] <jelkner> i put "umask 002" in both the user's .bashrc and .bash_profile [03:35] <jelkner> but when she ftp's a file it still has 600 permissions [03:36] <jelkner> since apache is running as www-data [03:36] <jelkner> i made her group www-data [03:37] <jelkner> so that pages she uploads can be read by the server [03:37] <pitti> jelkner: -> #ubuntu [03:37] <jelkner> ok, but i find that channel frequently *not* helpful [03:37] <jelkner> but i'll try again [03:41] <JaneW> carstenh: so are you happy with that name or should I keep looking? [03:42] <infinity> doko : Do you happen to know why htmldoc is built with g++-3.3? [03:43] <doko> infinity: yes, circular build dependencies between fltk1.1 and htmldoc [03:43] <infinity> doko : So it can be transitioned now, I assume? [03:44] <doko> maybe I forgot to rebuild htmldoc? [03:44] <doko> infinity: yes, I think so, if fltk1.1 is built on all archs [03:44] <carstenh> JaneW: apollon is already taken by a kde file sharing tool, so feel free to suggest another names :) thanks a lot for your help [03:44] <JaneW> carstenh: cos my last 2 atempts are Typhon and Quetzalcoatl [03:44] <infinity> doko : You uploaded a "rebuild for transition" change, but didn't actually remove the g++-3.3 build-dep or the bit in debian/rules. [03:44] <doko> oops, I'll fix it [03:45] <infinity> doko : Thanks. I noticed it cause I'm rebuilding fltk1.1 right now (not for C++). [03:45] <infinity> doko : Actually, if it build-deps on libfltk1.1-dev, hold off until I've uploaded the new fltk. It'll just be broken anyway until I do. [03:46] <doko> infinity: ok [03:48] <carstenh> the latter is too long and typhoon is some commerial firewall tool (or something similar) [03:50] <carstenh> JaneW: i forgot to hilight you :) [03:53] <mjg59> Is Claire around at the moment? [03:55] <mvo> seb128: is there something wrong with gdm? I seem to be unable to log into a Xnet gdm [03:56] <JaneW> crsten: sigh, this is HARD :P [03:56] <carstenh> :) [03:56] <JaneW> carstenh: I mean ^ [03:56] <\sh> grmpf... [03:56] <\sh> fixing qt [03:58] <JaneW> carstenh: trebuchet ? [03:58] <ogra> JaneW, thats a microsoft font [03:58] <JaneW> argh! [03:58] <ogra> (a very popular one) [03:58] <JaneW> ok we'll need to make up a word [03:59] <infinity> \sh : Making it build again? While you're at it, it needs a mesa transition. [03:59] <ogra> just shuffle some letters together [03:59] <\sh> carstenh: a name for what? [03:59] <\sh> I think "Stephan" is a good name for a boy ,-) or "Stephen" for international purposes [03:59] <infinity> \sh : When you have it building, can you ping me? [03:59] <JaneW> Wallace [03:59] <\sh> infinity: ok...this comes next [03:59] <\sh> infinity: sure [04:00] <JaneW> carstenh: Mr Plod? (Policeman from Noddy) [04:00] <infinity> \sh : Alternately, I can transition it right now, watch it FTBFS, and you can work from my sources. :) [04:00] <\sh> infinity: what build deps for mesa trans.? [04:01] <carstenh> \sh: for the firewall [04:01] <\sh> infinity: or let me fix the source errors first...I just created a patch [04:01] <carstenh> JaneW: i never heard something about noddy :/ [04:02] <mvo> carstenh: what about "captain carrot" (famous discworld policeman) [04:02] <ogra> mvo, did you get my last msg ? i'd upload it if you could give me a minimally more descriptive changelog entry [04:02] <carstenh> hmm, it is very long [04:02] <ogra> but cool [04:02] <\sh> carstenh: for ubuntu? what about a short name like PUFW [04:02] <\sh> PersonalUbuntuFireWall [04:03] <ogra> i like captain carrot [04:03] <\sh> In german it sounds like puff daddy ,-) [04:03] <mvo> carstenh: jusr "carrot"? or "vimes" (after commander vimes, another very famous discworld policeman) [04:03] <carstenh> \sh: yes, for ubuntu [04:03] <fabbione> seb128: libcairo -> gtk -> pango, right? [04:03] <mvo> \sh: pufw gives me the wrong mental images ;) [04:03] <ogra> heh, me too [04:03] <mvo> ogra: no, haven't got it, I'll /msg you [04:03] <carstenh> hmm, this are a lot of suggestions :) [04:03] <\sh> mvo: accidently... [04:04] <seb128> fabbione: no [04:04] <seb128> fabbione: libcairo, pango, gtk [04:04] <seb128> mvo: what about gdm? [04:04] <mvo> carstenh: it's always the hardest bit of developing ;) [04:04] <\sh> mvo: but those people are using as well human wearable firewalls ,-) [04:04] <seb128> mvo: what does it say? [04:04] <fabbione> seb128: perfect.. thanks [04:04] <mvo> seb128: nothing, just "wrong password" when I try to login into a nested gnome esssion [04:04] <mvo> \sh: heh [04:05] <seb128> mvo: are you sure your keyboard config is ok, not using qwerty or something? [04:05] <\sh> ah...colony 3 doesn't install in a VMWare VMachine [04:05] <seb128> elmo: please sync gtk+2.0 2.8.0-1 from incoming [04:06] <\sh> forgot to tell ya...it complains after stage 1 reboot that there is no "tty" accessable...and stops inside the busybox [04:06] <mvo> seb128: right, I have a "qwerty" in the nested window. how can I get rid of it :) ? [04:08] <seb128> mvo: no clue, it works for me .. your main gdm as an another layout? [04:08] <\sh> infinity: qiconview ftbfs fixed [04:09] <\sh> infinity: I will let it compile further to see other issues...send me the mesa stuff for debian/control and I'll adjust them as well [04:10] <\sh> infinity: btw...it was an easy fix ,-) QRegion region; was missing... [04:10] <JaneW> carstenh: Noddy.com , http://www.altavista.com/image/results?itag=ody&q=mr+plod&kgs=1&kls=0 <- Mr Plod [04:10] <mvo> seb128: my main gdm has "qwertz" [04:11] <seb128> mvo: and you use gdmflexiserver --xnest? [04:11] <mvo> seb128: yes [04:11] <seb128> do you have the issue with "gdmflexiserver" ? [04:12] <carstenh> JaneW: looks funny :) [04:12] <infinity> \sh : Let me grab the source and give you a patch. [04:12] <JaneW> carstenh: is [04:13] <\sh> infinity: then it's easier I'll send u the dpatch an 00list and u adjust the control...:) [04:14] <JaneW> carstenh: ok I have an ethnic african word that might work, and go with ubuntu... [04:15] <desrt> daniels; dpkg: erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/libgl1-xorg-dri_6.8.2-50_i386.deb (--unpack): tentative de remplacement de /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/gamma_dri.so, qui appartient aussi au paquet xlibmesa-dri [04:16] <JaneW> carstenh: it's kraal....Kraal is an Afrikaans word for either an enclosure for horses, cattle and the like, or a native village surrounded by a palisade, mud wall, or other fencing, roughly circular in form. The word is derived possibly from a native African word, but probably from the Spanish corral, or Portuguese ciirral. The term has been more broadly used to describe the way of life associated with the kraal that is found among [04:16] <JaneW> some African, especially South African, peoples. Among certain peoples of KwaZulu Natal, for example, the kraal consists of a collection of huts. [04:16] <JaneW> Folds for animals and enclosures made specially for defensive purposes are also called kraals. [04:16] <\sh> infinity: mail sent [04:16] <mvo> seb128: if I run just gdmflexiserver i get a window "choose server" [04:17] <mvo> seb128: and then I get a new login and keys are fine [04:17] <mvo> strage [04:17] <mvo> strange even [04:17] <seb128> mvo: the "Choose server" is a known issue [04:17] <seb128> mvo: I would say that's an xnest issue, not a gdm one [04:18] <carstenh> JaneW: sounds really good, thanks :) [04:19] <mvo> seb128: ok, fair enough [04:19] <elmo> seb128: done [04:19] <mvo> ping ogra [04:19] <seb128> elmo: thanks! [04:21] <JaneW> carstenh: :), must go I will be back later for meetings [04:21] <JaneW> bye all [04:21] <infinity> \sh : Cheers, uploaded. [04:21] <\sh> infinity: ur welcome .) [04:22] <carstenh> bye JaneW [04:22] <infinity> doko : fltk1.1 is looking good, if you upload htmldoc for the next cron.daily, it should be fine. [04:26] <chmj> carstenh: u still open for name suggestions ? [04:27] <bddebian> Hello [04:28] <seb128> chmj: you work on bluetooth, right? [04:28] <seb128> hi bddebian [04:28] <chmj> seb128: yes [04:28] <bddebian> Hi seb128 [04:28] <seb128> chmj: gnome-bluetooth update planned before 5.10? [04:28] <doko> infinity: ok [04:29] <chmj> seb128: only to fix that Nautilus "send via bluetooth" option [04:29] <seb128> chmj: nautilus-sendto is main and gnome-bluetooth universe, which is an issue [04:30] <seb128> chmj: planned to move it to main? [04:30] <chmj> seb128: its too late now, don't think mdz will allow that [04:31] <chmj> seb128: SoC stuff is also deffered [04:31] <seb128> k [04:32] <lamont-away> seb128: so there's a libcairo sync, then a new gtk+2.0, and then we can let the fur fly? [04:33] <seb128> lamont-away: libcairo, pango1.0, gtk+2.0 [04:33] <seb128> lamont-away: everything using gtk has to be built using libgtk2.0-0 2.8.0-1 from now [04:33] <seb128> that's the version using libcairo2 [04:36] <chmj> carstenh: ping [04:37] <infinity> lamont-away : And while there's fur flying, make sure you have the new mesa and new freeglut (and some clean chroots) before doing anything else. [04:37] <carstenh> chmj: sure :) [04:37] <infinity> lamont-away : It's a double fur day. [04:37] <lamont-away> infinity: well, a kernel is building now, so that helps some... [04:38] <lamont-away> OTOH, it's about done. [04:39] <pef> hi [04:41] <seb128> infinity: pango1.0 is dep-waiting on libcairo right? [04:42] <seb128> ie: it'll retry by itself? [04:43] <chmj> carstenh: "sigmoid" - used mostly in AI, its a mathematical function that produces a S shaped curve, not relevant to firewalling though [04:44] <carstenh> chmj: sounds good too, thanks :) [04:44] <chmj> carstenh: :) [05:03] <lamont-away> infinity: mesa/freeglut means building xorg? or something else? [05:03] <infinity> lamont-away : No, just mesa and freeglut... [05:03] <lamont-away> infinity: rather, specifically what source package do I need to build and install [05:03] <infinity> lamont-away : Unless you're a few xorg releases behind, then that might be nice to build too. [05:03] <lamont-away> I have -43 [05:04] <trygvebw> Any major breakages in Breezy atm? [05:04] <infinity> lamont-away : Ouch. I'd build -50 if I were you, then do mesa and freeglut. [05:04] <lamont-away> libs/mesa_6.3.1.1-0ubuntu1: Needs-Build [optional:out-of-date] [05:04] <lamont-away> x11/xorg_6.8.2-50: Needs-Build [optional:out-of-date] [05:04] <lamont-away> graphics/freeglut_2.2.0-8ubuntu5: Installed [optional:] [05:05] <infinity> lamont-away : being 7 releases behind on X is very m68kish of you. [05:05] <infinity> lamont-away : Are you suffering toolchain issues, or just lack of horsies? [05:05] <doko> :-) [05:06] <lamont-away> was suffering toolchain issues [05:06] <lamont-away> and it's more of a bandwidth issue than a CPU issue - esp when xorg, oo.o*, and the kernel all churn together [05:06] <lamont-away> and I see that I need a newer freeglut [05:07] <seb128> k, pango has built .... gtk to go :) [05:07] <infinity> seb128 : gtk will get given-back when I see pango in the archive. [05:07] <lamont-away> seb128: when I screw up and build some gtk apps with the wrong stuff, what's the symptom? [05:07] <seb128> thanks [05:08] <lamont-away> seb128: that is, how can I tell that it's a bad build and shouldn't be uploaded? [05:08] <infinity> (ie: cron.daily is still running) [05:08] <seb128> lamont-away: depends on libcairo1 which is not available since that's libcairo2 now [05:08] <lamont-away> so anything that Depends: libcairo1 is evil. check [05:08] <seb128> correct [05:09] <infinity> Oo, that was a quick cron.daily. [05:10] <infinity> Okay, how sad is it that I've been conditioned to belive that 7 minutes is "quick"? [05:12] <infinity> And GTK starts just as QT finishes. Serendipity. [05:12] <lamont-away> infinity: anything really borkish on the mesa/freeglut front, or do they just FTBFS? [05:13] <infinity> lamont-away : Nothing will FTBFS, cause nothing really should, you just end up with suboptimal dependencies that germinate doens't like. [05:13] <infinity> lamont-away : Since germinate probably doesn't look at or care about SCC arches anyway, it may not really matter. :) [05:13] <infinity> lamont-away : Basically, this is the whole xlibmesa/libgl*-xorg -> libgl*-mesa transition, once and for all. [05:14] <lamont-away> actually, it'll mean that packages wind up Depending on universe packages, if germinate and elmo rip them that direction... [05:14] <infinity> lamont-away : And all should go well if mesa is built before anything else, and your chroots aren't dirty with libgl* crap (which may have happened due to segfaulting dpkg..) [05:15] <infinity> lamont-away : Nah, cause all libgl* deps are "|" deps. [05:15] <infinity> lamont-away : So, for releas arches, that confuses germinate, for you, it's a non-issue, probbaly. [05:16] <infinity> lamont-away : There's no functional difference between "xlibmesa-gl | libgl1" and "libgl1-mesa | libgl1", for instance. [05:16] <infinity> If germinate looks at SCC arches, we have big problems, so I assume it doesn't. [05:16] <lamont-away> it doesn't [05:17] <lamont-away> other than pulling specific packages in for them (that are seeded)
... Like kernel udebs, etc. [05:18] <seb128> Lathiat: have you restarted/upgraded dbus or something? [05:19] <Lathiat> seb128: nope [05:20] <seb128> and could you send upstream bug upstream? :) [05:20] <seb128> thanks anyway [05:20] <Lathiat> seb128: this happens all the time, rebooted clean a few time [05:20] <Lathiat> s [05:20] <Lathiat> ok [05:20] <Lathiat> i prefer yoru judgement over if it should go upstream than mine [05:21] <lamont-away> seb128: infinity: that sound right? [05:22] <seb128> lamont-away: seems correct to me [05:22] <lamont-away> mdz: infinity: I'll get a new livecd-rootfs in once I get to the office, and let mdz know it's there so he can have livecd love again. [05:22] <seb128> Lathiat: do you know how to build a package? [05:22] <infinity> lamont-away : That should do well. [05:22] <infinity> lamont-away : Oh, and if you're just dying for more massive shit to build, QT is happy again too. [05:22] <Lathiat> seb128: ya [05:22] <daniels> desrt: known issue, install libgl1-mesa{,-dri} [05:22] <infinity> lamont-away : It can go somewhere after GTK. :) [05:23] <seb128> Lathiat: gnome-vfs2 has a ./test-volumes that list all the drives/volumes ... that could be useful [05:23] <lamont-away> (fur flies --> $no_build_regex = ".";) [05:23] <lamont-away> or rather, fur flies when I remove it. [05:25] <desrt> daniels; also fixed by uninstalling the old package [05:26] <desrt> daniels; everything is peachy now :) [05:26] <daniels> desrt: either way. testing for libgl1-mesa* would be nice in any case. [05:26] <desrt> is this the new one that includes support for the R350? [05:26] <desrt> or am i totally off the mark about what does what in X? [05:28] <daniels> r3xx dri needs to come from a combination of drm, dri and ddx [05:28] <daniels> right now we only have the dri part via mesa [05:28] <daniels> drm is up to fabio or benc, ddx I'm doing with my next xorg update [05:28] <desrt> awesome [05:28] <daniels> but we just switched over where we build libGL and the DRI modules [05:29] <desrt> any word on when the keyboard stuff is getting fixed? [05:29] <daniels> so if you have working DRI and can test libgl1-mesa* PLEASE DO [05:29] <daniels> what keyboard stuff? [05:29] <desrt> i get a gnome keyboard properties dialog on startup.. that thing where it tells me that it can't set stuff [05:29] <tseng> xkb has been fixed for ages [05:29] <desrt> !! [05:29] <tseng> if you would read the mailing list [05:29] <tseng> there was a very nice post by mr. stone [05:29] <desrt> readinging mailing lists is not a viable option :) [05:30] <Surak> tseng: there are still weird stuff happening with xkb [05:30] <desrt> ok. it's obviously a problem here. i'll look into it :) [05:30] <tseng> using breezy && not reading mailing lists == you lose [05:30] <desrt> what ML should i subscribe to, then? [05:30] <Surak> when you remove every keyboard layouts... [05:30] <tseng> -devel [05:30] <desrt> Surak; that's a gnome bug... it's been that way forever [05:31] <Surak> desrt: it was already posted upstream - but someone at gnome.org said that works for him/her [05:33] <desrt> wow. lists contain useful information [05:33] <desrt> daniels; from the standpoint of someone who occasionally helps people in #ubuntu -- please keep glxinfo in -desktop [05:33] <Surak> :-) [05:33] <lamont-away> pitti: it's a compiler bug, I'm betting... I guess I should track it down more and get a bug filed upstream gcc [05:33] <lamont-away> or at least pester doko to do so. :-) [05:33] <daniels> desrt: sudo apt-get install mesa-utils [05:33] <pitti> lamont-away: ok, if it's really a compiler issue, then we can leave the workaround [05:33] <desrt> eh. i suppose that's not too much to ask people to do [05:34] <daniels> desrt: it's also depended on by xbase-utils when I upload -51 [05:34] <doko> pitti: which one? [05:35] <pitti> doko: #13486 [05:35] <desrt> daniels; ah. that's perfect. [05:36] <desrt> hmm. still not ctrl+alt+F1 love [05:36] <doko> pitti: nice. can you identify the function? [05:36] <desrt> but gnome is no longer complaining :) [05:36] <pitti> doko: no, sorry, stack trace is completely unusable [05:37] <pitti> doko: and as soon as you don't compile with -O2 to make it usable, it doesn't crash [05:37] <pitti> doko: the classic heisenbug [05:38] <daniels> pitti: s/^\(.*\)$/printf("we're at %s:%s\n", __FILE__, __LINE__); &/; [05:38] <pitti> daniels: nice idea [05:39] <desrt> daniels; if recompiling without -O2 fixes it then that's almost definitely gonna fix it :P [05:40] <doko> pitti: make two sets of object files, -O2/-O1, then combine them, that should let you identify the file in log n steps [05:40] <Surak> Does somebody know about changes in gdialog? [05:41] <Surak> It no longer works for me - since breezy of august 16 or 15. [05:46] <pitti> daniels: but that certainly needs to be refined, it totally breaks source files that way [05:50] <daniels> pitti: a little, yeah [05:51] <pitti> daniels: one really has to do it manually, unless you have implemented a C parser that can put the commands between every command, not every line... [05:52] <daniels> pitti: hack gcc's parser to preprend that to every source line [05:52] <pitti> no way [05:54] <infinity> seb128 : There, GTK uploaded on all arches, should be installed everywhere on the next cron.daily. Let the uploads fly. [05:55] <pitti> daniels: that thing even works again when building with -O2 -g. grumpf [05:56] <pitti> well, since this is policy anyway, we could just leave it like that :-) [05:56] <daniels> heh [05:56] <doko> hmm, don't leave dormant bugs ... [05:56] <seb128> infinity: k. Can you apt-get update the concordia i386 when it's available, so I can start using doko's script on it [05:56] <pitti> doko: just kidding [05:56] <daniels> seb128: er, I don't think infinity has the root. [05:58] <seb128> oh, will ask elmo then :) [05:59] <infinity> daniels : Shh, I'll lose all my street cred. [06:00] <infinity> seb128 : He's right, only elmo can muck around in the porting chroots. [06:00] <infinity> seb128 : I assume elmo's newly-hired protege will gain said powers in time as well. [06:00] <seb128> k [06:08] <Keybuk> he's got to be first trained in the powers of sarcasm, wit and irony [06:09] <Keybuk> not to mention inducted into the holy church of the cyclone of hate [06:20] <mvo> pitti: thanks for fixing #2132! [06:23] <mdz> morning [06:25] <mvo> morning mdz! [06:25] <Surak> hallo [06:25] <infinity> seb128 : gnome-pilot is FTBFS. [06:25] <seb128> hi mdz [06:26] <seb128> infinity: k, thanks [06:27] <mjr> ,24,24 [06:30] <mdz> anyone know how netbooting works on powerpc? [06:32] <mdz> ah, it uses yaboot [06:37] <seb128> elmo: can you update concordia chroot please? [06:40] <mvo> mdz: ogra asked if mknbi can move to main (it's a new dependency of ltsp, he already wrote a maininclusion report. his network is down I have him on the phone right now [06:41] <mvo> it's FTBFS right now, but we have a fix [06:45] <mdz> mvo: yes, it should be considered for main, but meanwhile I've relaxed the dependency to unblock him [06:45] <mdz> I just uploaded ltsp [06:46] <mvo> mdz: ogra says thanks you :) [06:46] <hunger> Any chance of someone upgrading monotone to the debian version? [06:47] <mdz> mvo: does he want new CD builds when it's ready? [06:47] <infinity> seb128 : I'm going to go nap so we don't step on each others' toes. I'll finish the mesa transition when I wake up, under the assumption that you've already uploaded all your trivial rebuilds. [06:47] <infinity> seb128 : If anything you upload is FTBFS due to mesa/gl/glu stuff, don't worry about it, I'll fix it for you. [06:48] <seb128> infinity: k, thank you. Have a good night :) [06:48] <mvo> mdz: he hasn't figured how to put the edubuntu-server package on the cd yet, so it's probably best to wait a bit [06:49] <mvo> mdz: his upstream network provider (deutsche telekom) has a failure in his area and everyone is offline right now (in his area) [06:49] <infinity> seb128 : Just be sure to be working on fresh sources, since I've uploaded a few things in the last half hour. [06:50] <infinity> seb128 : Not sure what, if anything, overlaps with stuff you need to rebuild. [06:50] <seb128> will do, thanks [06:55] <mjg59> jdub: Could you plesae forward me admin information for the laptop testing list? [06:57] <elmo> seb128: done on the amd64 chroot [06:57] <elmo> benc is using the i386 one atm [06:58] <infinity> elmo : You may want to do it again after the next cron.daily, to make sure seb128's working on Packages and Sources that are in sync with my uploads before bed. [06:58] <infinity> elmo : If you could be so kind. [06:59] <seb128> elmo: amd64 one is fine for me, thanks [07:00] <seb128> elmo: oh, and get you install libxine-dev and liblaunchpad-integration-dev here too please? [07:00] <seb128> thank you [07:01] <elmo> seb128: done [07:01] <elmo> infinity: ok [07:11] <mjg59> elmo: Could you sync hotkey-setup, please? [07:24] <mdz> mvo: it should probably be added to the 'ship' line in STRUCTURE [07:28] <mvo> mdz: ok, I'll tell him that [07:28] <mvo> thanks [07:34] <seb128> fabbione, lamont: you guys are ready for the new libcairo? [07:39] <pitti> seb128: will you now crank up your mega upload script? [07:39] <seb128> pitti: already runned. Now I've to sign all the .changes and then to upload, why? [07:40] <lamont> seb128: I'm so far behind that whatever... [07:40] <elmo> uh, whacha doing? [07:40] <pitti> seb128: just curious :-) [07:40] <lamont> I thought libcairo was already in the archive... [07:40] <lamont> elmo: the new libcario produces libcairo2 not libcairo1, so they're rebuilding everything that Depends: libcairo1 [07:40] <seb128> elmo: libcairo soname change [07:41] <seb128> elmo: gtk uses cairo so everything that built with gtk since it uses cairo is to rebuild, which is ~200 packages [07:42] <lamont> what plays the startup sound? as in, how would someone nuke it? [07:43] <elmo> christ on a stick [07:43] <j^> lamont sudo gdmsetup [07:43] <elmo> seb128: you're using <n>build<n> ratherr than <n>ubuntu<n> right? [07:43] <seb128> lamont: GNOME or GDM startup? [07:43] <elmo> well where it wasn't ubuntu already [07:43] <lamont> seb128: both [07:43] <seb128> elmo: I'm using doko's script [07:43] <elmo> doko: ? [07:44] <doko> yep, same as use for the C++ rebuilds [07:44] <doko> s/use/used/ [07:44] <seb128> lamont: gdmsetup for gdm as said, system, pref, sound, sound events for GNOME [07:44] <elmo> ok [07:47] <lamont> seb128: j^: thanks [07:47] <seb128> np [07:47] <lamont> seb128: once your mega-upload is done (i.e., in the archive), please poke me [07:48] <lamont> freshening the home mirror is going to take a little bit of help, you see.... [07:48] <lamont> for the record, sneaker-net sucks [07:48] <doko> elmo: some time for some syncs? [07:50] <seb128> lamont: k [07:51] <markos_> doko: ping [07:52] <doko> markos_: pong [07:52] <markos_> doko: (i ask here, as it is mainly an ubuntu relate bug, though it applies just as well to debian) [07:53] <markos_> doko: ubuntu #1844, is there a reason why it doesn't get applied, seems quite trivial [07:54] <doko> markos_: according to the bug log, this one is applied [07:55] <markos_> er, sorry #2374 i meant [07:55] <mdz> seb128: what is the ETA for the remaining LaunchpadIntegration apps? [07:56] <mjg59> mdz: What's the right way of dealing with that grub patch? Should I just add it and upload? [07:56] <mdz> mjg59: yep [07:56] <mjg59> mdz: Ok, I'll try to do that tomorrow [07:56] <mdz> mjg59: and send a call for testing to -devel or something [07:56] <mdz> mjg59: asking people to re-grub-install and make sure it still works [07:56] <seb128> mdz: before UI freeze. gnome-games, gnomemeeting, gimp this week, not sure about firefox it's not a standard GTK/GNOME app, maybe next week [07:57] <markos_> doko: #302875 in Debian BTS [07:57] <mdz> seb128: is that everything? it seems like there are more missing [07:57] <mdz> seb128: like gaim [07:57] <seb128> mdz: gaim is patched [07:57] <mdz> oh, I needed to restart it [07:58] <seb128> maybe it didn't build? what version do you have [07:58] <doko> markos_: ahh, I didn't see the update. I did ask simos to test with OO.o2. [07:58] <seb128> mdz: it built, restart it probably :) [07:58] <markos_> doko: cool, is it possible to backport this one back to the debian packages? [07:59] <mdz> seb128: <mdz> oh, I needed to restart it [07:59] <doko> markos_: that should be easy [07:59] <seb128> mdz: ups, right! [08:00] <markos_> doko: ok, so can't wait for the next OOo upload :-) [08:00] <markos_> doko: thx [08:00] <mdz> mvo: can you add launchpad-integration support to gnome-app-install? [08:01] <seb128> $ ls *.changes | wc -l [08:01] <seb128> 159 [08:01] <seb128> they are ready to upload [08:01] <seb128> nobody has an objection before I start? [08:02] <mvo> mdz: I need to ask seb128 how to do it for python based apps, but yes, sure [08:02] <mdz> mvo: it's pretty easy, you just add a couple of menu items which call the launchpad-integration program [08:02] <seb128> mvo: wrap the useful function and do a binding of lpi is one option, the other one is to copy the label/action for this one [08:03] <mdz> yeah, I guess you could import the module and call it directly too [08:04] <seb128> anyway time for dinner here [08:04] <seb128> and let's upload the cairo transition [08:06] <mdz> pitti: here? [08:06] <pitti> mdz: yes, banging my head with debubbing [08:06] <mdz> pitti: debugging what? [08:06] <pitti> mdz: #13486, doko thinks it could be a compiler bug [08:06] <mdz> pitti: maybe take a break and talk to me about language-support-* :-) [08:06] <pitti> mdz: but not urgent [08:07] <pitti> mdz: sure :-) [08:07] <mdz> pitti: are those autogenerated at all, or just regular metapackages? [08:07] <pitti> mdz: they are completely autogenerated [08:07] <mdz> pitti: ok, we need to remove all of the openoffice.org 1.1.x localization packages from them [08:07] <pitti> hmm, I thought I already did? [08:07] <mdz> pitti: and replace them with the oo.o2 ones [08:08] <rob^^^> so is mako canonincal's first departure ;) [08:08] <mdz> pitti: language-support-ar at least [08:08] <pitti> ~/ubuntu/langpack-o-matic/support-depends$ grep openoffice * [08:08] <pitti> mdz: ^ yields only ooo.2 [08:08] <pitti> mdz: however, some packages might not have been updated [08:08] <pitti> mdz: ok, I check all of them and update them [08:09] <mdz> pitti: I think it may be only -ar; that was the first one I saw [08:09] <lamont> mdz: about to push the new livecd script - any more changes you want?\ [08:09] <mako> rob^^^: a decently large number of people have left canonical over the last year or so [08:09] <mako> rob^^^: for a variety of reasons [08:10] <tseng> rob^^^: aiui mako will remain on the Community Council [08:10] <lamont> rob^^^: I left in may, fwiw [08:10] <tseng> rob^^^: which makes it a relative non-issue to the community. [08:10] <mako> i'm leaving *canonical* not ubuntu [08:10] <Nafallo> *puuuh* [08:10] <mako> it means you don't complain to me about missing cds :) [08:10] <lamont> mako++ [08:11] <dilinger> mm. i've never used this livecd stuff before. it's neat. [08:11] <tseng> mako++ indeed ( you beat me ) [08:11] <rob^^^> hehe, I was just curious [08:11] <Nafallo> mako: who is the next SPOC for that? ;-) [08:11] <mako> and it means i stop answering info@ubuntu.com [08:11] <mako> (which i'm doing right now) [08:12] <tseng> seb128: beagle is in cairo transition? [08:12] <rob^^^> oh well, if Ubuntu runs on those $100 laptops all will be well ;) [08:12] <tseng> seb128: ah ok. [08:13] <mdz> pitti: also, kubuntu seeds need langpack love [08:13] <mdz> lamont: what changes are in this one? [08:13] <lamont> update-notifier [08:14] <mdz> nothing else comes to mind [08:14] <mdz> I think there may be some cases where it exits successfully even though something failed [08:14] <mdz> but I don't have a case I can point to at the moment [08:14] <lamont> ok. gotta go fetch lunch, then I'll push [08:15] <mvo> something wrong with update-notifier? [08:16] <doko> pitti, mdz: -ar doesn't exist for OOo2, maybe that's the reason? [08:16] <mdz> pitti: once that's fixed, we should be able to move oo.o to universe [08:17] <pitti> doko: right, that's why the file became empty and the l-s package wasn't rebuild (bug in l-p-omatic) [08:17] <mdz> doko: hmm, openoffice.org2-core depends on ttf-opensymbol which is built by openoffice.org (1.x) [08:18] <pitti> mdz: fixed -ar. Can you please check whether any of the current CDs overflow? [08:18] <doko> mdz: ohh, yes, built by both packages. will fix it. [08:18] <mdz> pitti: is there any way to do that other than running a CD build? [08:18] <pitti> mdz: I removed some langpacks yesterday, but I'm not sure whether it was enough [08:18] <pitti> mdz: no, I just mean on the current CDs [08:19] <pitti> mdz: Kamion could tell me if there is a second image, which isn't published [08:19] <pitti> mdz: some log mentioned that the second CD contained a few MB, and so on [08:19] <mdz> pitti: oh, the most recent dailies? [08:19] <pitti> mdz: yes, I adapted the seeds yesterday, so today's should have them [08:19] <mdz> pitti: unfortunately that won't tell us about kubuntu/edubuntu, since their seeds were not merged until just now [08:20] <mdz> (I just did them) [08:20] <pitti> mdz: right, but I mean for Ubuntu live and install [08:20] <pitti> mdz: last time that caused some pretty nasty bug because one X package got dropped and wasn't installable on the first cd [08:20] <pitti> dropped -> to the second CD [08:22] <mdz> pitti: yes, it looks like there was some overflow [08:22] <pitti> darn [08:22] <mdz> amd64 by a lot [08:23] <pitti> live or install? [08:23] <mdz> CD 2 will only be filled with 31150552 bytes ... [08:23] <mdz> install [08:23] <mdz> only looking at install so far [08:23] <seb128> tseng: everything built with GTK since it uses cairo [08:23] <pitti> 31 MB? urgh [08:24] <mdz> i386 by a small amount [08:25] <mdz> CD 2 will only be filled with 928702 bytes ... [08:25] <seb128> tseng: could you transition gtk-sharp/gtk-sharp2-unstable to use gtkhtml3 [08:25] <seb128> gtkhtml3.8 [08:25] <mdz> powerpc looks OK [08:25] <tseng> seb128: why 3.8? [08:25] <seb128> to move 3.6 to universe [08:25] <tseng> seb128: debian is playing very conservative [08:25] <tseng> seb128: it was hard for me to sell t hem on 3.6 [08:25] <seb128> and we are playing "one version to main is enough" [08:25] <mdz> pitti: I don't think the live CDs can overflow [08:25] <tseng> ok, fine [08:25] <mdz> it would just make a big image [08:25] <seb128> can't you just change the Build-Depends? [08:25] <pitti> ok [08:25] <tseng> I can [08:25] <mdz> 655M breezy-live-amd64.iso 632M breezy-live-powerpc.iso [08:25] <mdz> 654M breezy-live-i386.iso [08:26] <seb128> we are not going to sync on Debian again for 5.10, are we? [08:26] <tseng> no, but id like to be much more in sync +1 [08:26] <mdz> so it looks like they are a few MB over 650 [08:26] <tseng> its fine, ill fix it tonight if that is soon enough [08:26] <mdz> i386/amd64 [08:26] <pitti> mdz: we need to keep them below 650? [08:26] <seb128> there is no hurry, thanks [08:26] <tseng> nps [08:26] <mdz> pitti: yes [08:26] <seb128> is there a new f-spot planned too? [08:27] <tseng> its out, but i dont like it [08:27] <tseng> there are several crashers on my box [08:27] <mdz> CD 1 filled with 647070446 bytes ... (limit was 653262848) [08:27] <seb128> the new version import photos from mass storage devices [08:27] <mdz> pitti: ^^ that many bytes [08:27] <seb128> grumpf [08:27] <seb128> and the current version is useless for lusers with mass storages devices [08:27] <mdz> pitti: hmm, actually that is not the right number [08:27] <mdz> that excludes the space reserved for the kernels and stuff I think [08:27] <mdz> anyway the .iso should be <= 650MB [08:27] <tseng> yes, i can track down lewing someday [08:27] <tseng> he just had a baby and stuff [08:28] <pitti> mdz: ok, amd64/install (hopefully enough) downsized [08:28] <mdz> pitti: I'll do a build to check [08:28] <mdz> pitti: once the seeds are updated [08:28] <torkel> tseng: is the file backend supposed to work in beagle or does it have to be updated for the new inotify? [08:29] <tseng> torkel: it is out of sync [08:29] <tseng> torkel: you need cvs [08:29] <tseng> will work with 2.6.13 inotify [08:30] <torkel> tseng: ok [08:30] <mdz> pitti: if you changed live, you also need to upload ubuntu-meta [08:30] <mdz> and we need to wait for it to build and do new cloops [08:31] <mdz> Mithrandir: you looked at partimage for amd64 and said it was a lot of work, right? [08:31] <pitti> mdz: now I removed some packs from i386/install; I guess in the final version we can add them again since right now our update packs are nonempty [08:31] <mdz> pitti: can you do the kubuntu changes as well? [08:31] <pitti> mdz: sure, where are the seeds again? [08:31] <pitti> same archive? [08:32] <torkel> tseng: which is what the Ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel is using right? [08:32] <tseng> torkel: yes. [08:32] <pitti> mdz: nevermind, found them [08:32] <tseng> torkel: im definately expecting to rememdy this by release time [08:33] <torkel> tseng: ok [08:34] <mdz> pitti: adjacent archives [08:35] <ompaul> very impressed with livecd of breezy, many steps in the right direction [08:35] <ompaul> as joe user thanks peeps [08:36] <mdz> ompaul: thanks, onward and upward ;-) [08:36] <mdz> pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/breezy/ has your changes now? [08:37] <pitti> mdz: yes [08:37] <mdz> pitti: install CDs building [08:37] <pitti> mdz: however, I didn't fix Kubuntu yet [08:37] <pitti> doing that ATM [08:37] <mdz> pitti: only building ubuntu [08:38] <pitti> mdz: uh, kubuntu seeds contain two files ,,index [08:38] <pitti> and ,,index-by-name [08:38] <pitti> this is certainly crap, right? [08:45] <mdz> pitti: [08:45] <mdz> little:[...cdimage.no-name-yet.com/log] grep filled ubuntu-daily-20050818.1.log [08:45] <mdz> CD 1 will only be filled with 618391018 bytes ... [08:45] <mdz> CD 1 will only be filled with 651116610 bytes ... [08:45] <mdz> CD 1 will only be filled with 617431978 bytes ... [08:45] <mdz> pitti: I don't see those files [08:46] <mdz> pitti: kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--breezy--0 [08:46] <pitti> mdz: the second size is still amd64 or i386? [08:46] <mdz> that should be amd64/i386/powerpc [08:46] <pitti> oh, bytes [08:46] <pitti> so that's actually fine [08:48] <lamont> Setting up hotplug (0.0.20040329-22ubuntu5) ... [08:48] <lamont> Installing new version of config file /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent ... [08:48] <lamont> grep: /etc/network/interfaces: No such file or directory [08:48] <lamont> bad hotplug! [08:49] <mdz> pitti: yes [08:50] <mdz> pitti: in fact i386 has plenty of space [08:51] <pitti> mdz: I think I will fill them up when we have the final langpacks and empty update packs [08:51] <pitti> mdz: then I can do precise size calculations and we have fixed numbers [08:51] <pitti> mdz: ok with you? [08:51] <mdz> pitti: I need to merge the ubuntu seeds into kubuntu again [08:51] <mdz> pitti: I think this will create a conflict with your langpack changes [08:51] <mdz> so if you have not started yet, wait a moment [08:51] <mdz> pitti: ok with me [08:51] <pitti> mdz: I started, but didn't merge [08:51] <pitti> erm, commit [08:52] <pitti> so just commit, I'll update afterwards [08:52] <mdz> ok, I sort of handwaved resolving the conflict from the merge [08:52] <mdz> because you were going to fix it up anyway [08:52] <pitti> yes [08:52] <mdz> committed [08:52] <mdz> let me know when you are done, and I will roll ubuntu-meta and CD builds [08:53] <pitti> mdz: ok, that wasn't too bad [08:55] <\sh> infinity: ping (I hope u never sleep ;)) [08:55] <pitti> \sh: he does already [08:55] <pitti> well, "already"... [08:56] <pitti> it's maybe 4am in .au [08:56] <\sh> ok...did anyone created a wiki page for the mesa transition? [08:56] <\sh> or can someone shortly summarize the build-dep/install-dep changes, so I can create one? [08:58] <pitti> mdz: -== Installer documentation == [08:58] <pitti> - [08:58] <pitti> mdz: that probably wasn't intentional, I'll add it again (that's from your merge patch) [09:01] <\sh> ok colony 3 installation run [09:04] <pitti> mdz: kde install and live done [09:04] <pitti> mdz: s/kde/kubuntu/ [09:05] <lamont> mdz: new livecd scripts installed [09:06] <lamont> infinity: next buildd upgrade on the DC boxen will speed up buildd-watcher, fwiw [09:06] <\sh> damnit [09:06] <mdz> pitti: strange, I don't think I deleted that header [09:06] <mdz> pitti: maybe it did it as part of the merge [09:06] <mdz> pitti: which file was that in? [09:06] <pitti> mdz: yes, I only looked at the merge patch [09:06] <mdz> lamont: thanks [09:06] <pitti> mdz: ship [09:07] <pitti> mdz get/show-changeset patch-30 [09:07] <pitti> mdz: anyway, I added it back [09:07] <mdz> lamont: I was thinking, maybe we should only enable ccache on a per-package basis, and add like our top 10 packages to it, to get a better hit rate: oo.o, kernel, X, etc. [09:07] <lamont> mdz: 30GB cache... it tends to get pretty good hit rates, ISTR [09:07] <mdz> pitti: let me know when your changes appear at /~cjwatson/ [09:08] <lamont> cache hit 467328 [09:08] <lamont> cache miss 1000971 [09:08] <pitti> mdz: ok, removed all langpacks but en from i386/amd64 live CDs. Everything that still doesn't fit isn't my fault :-) [09:08] <mdz> lamont: that is pretty good [09:09] <pitti> mdz: sad to see no language packs at all on the live CD any more, though [09:09] <mdz> lamont: could we arrange for 'ccache -s' output at the start and end of build logs? [09:09] <\sh> seb128: ping [09:09] <mdz> pitti: wow :-/ [09:09] <mdz> pitti: maybe we can get some back in breezy+1 with squashfs [09:10] <mdz> lamont: (taking care not to fail if there is no ccache, etc. of course) [09:10] <\sh> hmmm...did anyone know if the libcairo1 rebuild also hit universe? [09:10] <paolo-> On what does depend the time between a package upload appears on breezy-changes and its actual presence in the repositories? [09:11] <lamont> mdz: yeah, we could do that... want the stats zeroed at the start and dumped at the end, or just dump them both? [09:11] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildDaemons [09:11] <mdz> \sh: judging by the massive number of universe packages which just hit breezy-changes, I'd say yes ;-) [09:11] <\sh> paolo-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildDaemons sorry ,-) [09:11] <mdz> lamont: latter [09:12] <\sh> mdz: k :) [09:12] <mdz> lamont: (we don't do parallel builds, right?) [09:12] <lamont> mdz: no parallel [09:12] <lamont> /CurrentlyBuilding is not multithreaded [09:12] <\sh> mdz: btw...the debian bts importer imported a lot of "already fixed in ubuntu" stuff :( [09:13] <lamont> mdz: I'll add the ccache runs later in the week [09:13] <mdz> \sh: I turned it off earlier in breezy and forgot all about it [09:13] <mdz> it needs to be on now [09:14] <mdz> there were not as many bugs as I feared [09:14] <\sh> mdz: we have to clean up [09:14] <mdz> \sh: all >= major bugs were assigned as of yesterday [09:14] <mdz> if they are not valid for ubuntu, they are being closed [09:15] <paolo-> \sh: thank you [09:16] <\sh> mdz: better to mark those imported bugs as dependency of a still open ubuntu bug or as duplicate? [09:16] <\sh> ah...and thank you debian-installer master for this lovely progress bar [09:17] <\sh> in stage 2 of breezy install [09:17] <mdz> \sh: thank Kamion [09:18] <mdz> \sh: if they are a duplicate, mark them as a duplicate [09:20] <\sh> mdz: k..(for the bugs) and actually where is he now? mauritius? niagara falls? [09:21] <pitti> mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/breezy/live and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/kubuntu-breezy/live were just updated [09:21] <mdz> pitti: thanks [09:22] <pitti> mdz: so in theory, all CDs have the gnome/kde packs now and don't overflow [09:31] <jdub> jbailey: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12009 [09:31] <jdub> jbailey: know about this? [09:32] <seb128> hate hate hate .la files [09:32] <\sh> jesus christ [09:32] <\sh> who removed the nice screensaver dialog from breezy? [09:33] <tseng> \sh: ogra is working a better one [09:33] <\sh> I got a shock..thought I'm back in the early 90ties slackware times *lol* [09:33] <jdub> \sh: jamie zawinski [09:35] <\sh> jdub: where is he/she living...I will never send him a postcard ;) [09:35] <jdub> california [09:36] <\sh> ok..no flowers as well [09:39] <seb128> "Package debhelper is not available, but is referred to by another package." [09:39] <seb128> all the amd64 builds are chocking on that [09:39] <seb128> great [09:40] <Nafallo> *sigh* sometimes I really love my choose of arch ;-) [09:40] <Treenaks> Nafallo: m68k? [09:41] <Nafallo> Treenaks: amd64 ;-) [09:41] <elmo> uh [09:41] <jdub> seb128: holy crap! [09:41] <seb128> that an "grep: /usr/lib/libpixman.la: No such file or directory" [09:41] <jdub> ah, new cairo :-) [09:41] <seb128> something used t [09:41] <seb128> something used to depends on that and doesn't [09:41] <seb128> and thanks to .la files ... :) [09:41] <seb128> hey jdub ;) [09:42] <elmo> seb128: example? [09:42] <jdub> what's that ld parameter we should be using? ;-) [09:42] <elmo> king seems to be okay right now [09:42] <jdub> (fsvo should) [09:43] <mdz> fabbione: I don't suppose I can get ubuntu-meta built on sparc in the next 12 hours or so [09:43] <seb128> elmo: eel2, gnome-python, gnome-pilot for /usr/lib/libpixman.la [09:43] <fabbione> mdz: yes i can if you ask me to [09:43] <mdz> fabbione: I am asking :-) [09:43] <seb128> elmo: the libgnomeui .la file mentionned it before rebuild ... but after rebuild it drops it [09:44] <mdz> assuming germinate on jackass pays attention to sparc...elmo? [09:44] <fabbione> mdz: i am building gtk+2.0 2.8.1 and i can do manually ubuntu-meta [09:44] <fabbione> mdz: the buildd was in manual mode for the mesa gtk transition [09:44] <fabbione> mdz: when did you upload it? [09:44] <seb128> jdub: --as-needed? That break the build on some archs .. [09:44] <mdz> fabbione: 0.65, it was processed at :33 [09:45] <jdub> seb128: thus fsvo ;-) [09:45] <seb128> jdub: we got some RC on Debian which blocked 2.10 for sarge, fun [09:45] <jdub> would be nice to get closer to it though [09:45] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. [09:46] <elmo> mdz: sparc, yes [09:46] <elmo> and ia64, but not hppa [09:46] <fabbione> hey elmo [09:46] <fabbione> elmo: sorry that i had to go yesterday... [09:47] <fabbione> it was sort of late [09:47] <fabbione> (not that today is any earlier) [09:47] <seb128> elmo: you asked for amd64? gconf-editor by example [09:47] <elmo> seb128: no, sorry I mean the debjelper thing [09:47] <elmo> ok [09:47] <seb128> elmo: open http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html to get an idea [09:48] <seb128> elmo: i386 breaks the same way now :/ [09:48] <elmo> oh, that's just the buildds using jackass [09:48] <elmo> it's a transient thing; the packages will work if given back [09:48] <lamont> and not using jackass breaks them differently [09:49] <elmo> yeah I know [09:49] <lamont> and they're auto-givenback [09:49] <elmo> even better [09:49] <mdz> lamont: ia64 should get to ubuntu-meta in fairly short order without being prodded, right? [09:50] <mdz> it's not exactly a laggard [09:50] <seb128> elmo, lamont: thanks [09:50] <fabbione> seb128: cairo -> pango done on sparc.. it's building gtk now... [09:51] <seb128> fabbione: cool [09:51] <fabbione> seb128: anything else that needs to be done manually? [09:51] <fabbione> seb128: you rock my little french friend :) [09:51] <seb128> no, when you have gtk 2.8 built you can build everything else [09:51] <seb128> thanks ;) [09:51] <fabbione> perfect [09:52] <seb128> do we have an interest to ship .la file out of breaking builds on some changes? [09:53] <elmo> fabbione: hum, I don't understand, how do you mean go? [09:53] <lu|away> seb128: cairo probably [09:53] <fabbione> elmo: i had to go away after the ping... [09:53] <lu|away> seb128: I believe pixman is now internal to cairo [09:53] <seb128> lu|away: oh, right, I've read that [09:54] <seb128> they made that to not expose it to the pixman changes [09:54] <seb128> thanks lu|away :) [09:54] <seb128> the massive rebuild will fix that too so [09:57] <fabbione> jdub: you will make bubbles tomorrow with the new kernel.. i promise you [09:58] <fabbione> seb128: DUDE P [09:58] <fabbione> seb128: DUDE STOP SNIFFING COCAINA! [09:58] <jdub> fabbione: sweet! [09:59] <fabbione> no wonder i don't have ubuntu-meta yet on the mirror [09:59] <seb128> fabbione: what? [09:59] <shawarma> Hi! Can anyone tell me if sbuld tries to use ccache when building? [09:59] <shawarma> I mean sbuild, of course. [09:59] <fabbione> seb128: i just looked at -changes... [09:59] <elmo> shawarma: no, it odesn't [09:59] <shawarma> elmo: Ok. Thanks. [10:00] <seb128> fabbione: ah :) [10:00] <seb128> fabbione: that's new GTK crack ;) [10:00] <fabbione> tomorrow it will be ACPI [10:02] <fabbione> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/changelog <- this is almost final... [10:02] <fabbione> there is some intersting stuff there [10:08] <seb128> fabbione: impressive :) [10:10] <\sh> elmo: u sure that ccache is not installed in the sbuild chroot? [10:10] <\sh> elmo: cause mythtv recognized it on i386 [10:11] <elmo> \sh: we use ccache on our buildds [10:11] <elmo> however there's no code in sbuild to do it [10:12] <\sh> elmo: explain this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mythtv/0.18-2/mythtv_0.18-2_20050815-0921-i386-failed.gz [10:12] <elmo> sigh [10:12] <mdz> \sh: sbuild has no support for ccache [10:12] <mdz> \sh: elmo is telling you that we do it on our buildds, but sbuild doesn't [10:12] <mdz> the use of ccache on our buildds has nothing to do with sbuild [10:13] <\sh> k [10:13] <jdub> fabbione: wow :-) [10:13] <\sh> mdz: another thing: the build-dep on gcc-3.3 is with purpose? [10:14] <mdz> \sh: yes, I delayed the C++ transition because I had no time to do it [10:14] <mdz> \sh: I think that 0.18 doesn't build with 4.0, and it will need to use 3.4 [10:14] <\sh> mdz: I just read your changelog ;-) [10:14] <mdz> \sh: thanks for fixing it up, if that's what you're doing [10:14] <\sh> mdz: ok...lets give it a try :) [10:15] <\sh> mdz: it's horrible [10:16] <mdz> I have been neglecting it [10:16] <mdz> there is this ubuntu thing which is keeping me pretty busy [10:18] <\sh> mdz: hehe I know I know [10:19] <mvo> mdz: I have some pending apt stuff that I would like to talk to you about. do you think we could talk about it sometimes tomorrow (I hope I don't get on your nerves already) [10:21] <pitti> OMG, u-changes [10:22] <mvo> pitti: the cairo fallout? [10:22] <pitti> yes [10:22] <pitti> tomorrow's CD rsync will be funny and break my bandwidth quota again [10:22] <lamont> \sh: mythtv explicitly runs g++-3.3 without build-depending onit [10:23] <pitti> mdz: btw, did you deliberately disable jigdo for colony 3 and daily? or is that just a transient bug? [10:23] <\sh> lamont: and we don't see the problems with ABI change for libqt? [10:23] <seb128> pitti: it's for my monthly upload stats :p [10:24] <pitti> seb128: ok, I can still beat you with langpacks if I try hard :-) [10:24] <\sh> lamont: i'll give it a try with gcc/g++-3.4 [10:24] <seb128> pitti: ah ah [10:24] <seb128> pitti: I've a jocker, new GNOME next week :p [10:24] <pitti> darn [10:25] <lamont> seb128: the whole thing? sigh [10:26] <seb128> lamont: yeah, and 2.12 just 2 weeks after that [10:27] <lamont> hrm libcairo doesn't depend on mesa, or freeglut, right? [10:27] <seb128> no [10:27] <seb128> (it doesn"t) [10:29] <\sh> mdz: sorry to bother again..the "--cpu=i486 --tune=pentium4 --enable-mmx" is it ok for ubuntu? [10:30] <paines> hi. i am testing colony 3, and have two problems. some colors can't be find for apps like emascs, i think this is due to missing rgb.txt and liblgu1 can't be installed for nvidia-glx [10:30] <elmo> \sh: the first two are fine [10:30] <elmo> we force that for all packages anyway, pretty much [10:30] <elmo> assuming mythtv does runtime MMX detection, that's fine too [10:30] <\sh> k [10:43] <carstenh> JaneW: hi, what do you think about "ballista"? i hab this idea because you suggested "trebuchet" [10:43] <carstenh> s/hab/had/ [10:43] <JaneW> carstenh: never heard of it before.... [10:44] <carstenh> JaneW: it is some sort of catapult [10:44] <JaneW> sounds nice though [10:45] <JaneW> it is used here... http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/edrc-ballista/www/ [10:45] <mdz> mvo: sure [10:46] <JaneW> carstenh: but it definitely has a strong sound to it [10:47] <carstenh> JaneW: i did not found the project you mentioned a few hours ago. i guess finding a name which is not taken by another project is very hard :/ [10:47] <carstenh> JaneW: thanks for your help :) [10:48] <shawarma> What are we looking for names for? [10:48] <mdz> pitti: yes, I intentionally disabled it for that test build because it takes an extra hour or so [10:48] <carstenh> shawarma: for an ubuntu firewall [10:48] <shawarma> Oh. [10:49] <carstenh> shawarma: there ware a lot of good suggestion today, but most are taken by another project. i think ballista could be the winner [10:49] <JaneW> assegai (zulu spear) [10:50] <carstenh> JaneW: how is this pronounced? [10:50] <JaneW> as a guy [10:50] <JaneW> more or less [10:51] <wasabi_> ANy evaluation of iSCSI support? [10:51] <\sh> assegai is a kewl name [10:52] <carstenh> yes, and it is also taken by another project [10:53] <\sh> JaneW: where is this zulu online dictionary english zulu? [10:53] <fabbione> wasabi_: what do you need that's not there already? [10:53] <shawarma> fabbione: Our kernel has iscsi built in? [10:53] <JaneW> \sh: just words I know... I am born and bred SA you know! [10:53] <wasabi_> fabbione: iscsitarget? [10:53] <wasabi_> the iscsid daemons? [10:53] <wasabi_> I can't find them, anyways. [10:54] <wasabi_> Yeah, and the kernel modules. ;0 [10:54] <JaneW> fabbione: I already have a theme for Breezy+1 kernel names btw! [10:54] <fabbione> 686:CONFIG_SCSI_ISCSI_ATTRS=m [10:54] <wasabi_> okay, cool. That's helpful. Need user space though. [10:54] <fabbione> JaneW: you will have to talk with BenC for breezy+1 my far far away lady :) [10:54] <\sh> JaneW: and zulu is Gautengs third language right? [10:55] <fabbione> wasabi_, shawarma: kernel configs are in your /boot [10:55] <wasabi_> userspace. [10:55] <fabbione> wasabi_: i am giving you an extra info.. take or leave it :) [10:56] <shawarma> fabbione: I know, bit ISCSI_ATTRS... Is that iSCSI support? [10:56] <fabbione> i didn't check userspace, becuase i don't have iscsi devices here.. yet [10:56] <wasabi_> iscsi requires a number of daemons [10:56] <wasabi_> just can't find them. [10:56] <wasabi_> kernel support isn't very useful without them. [10:56] <JaneW> \sh: actually I did a bit of Northern Sotho at school but picked up a little zulu from kitchen staff while waitressing [10:56] <wasabi_> thanks though [10:57] <JaneW> \sh: zulu and xhosa actually have some quite strong similarities too [10:57] <JaneW> fabbione: why? [10:58] <fabbione> JaneW: because BenC will soon take over the kernel [10:58] <carstenh> "Ballista" is a registered trademark of Carnegie Mellon University. [10:58] <fabbione> and i will go back in userland [10:58] <\sh> JaneW: hehe...my ex learned zulu in school and she spoke it very fluently last time with the maid [10:58] <JaneW> fabbione: oic! :/ [10:58] <fabbione> JaneW: nothing to be sad about! [10:58] <fabbione> JaneW: i will take you with me for my userland naming crack :P [10:58] <JaneW> lol deal [11:01] <\sh> mdz: u used mythtv 0.18-2 and breezy should I make it 0.18-3 and breezy? or should I add ubuntu to it? [11:01] <elmo> mythtv is imported [11:01] <elmo> if you're modifying it you should add the usual ubuntu suffix [11:01] <\sh> ok...then ubuntu [11:02] <\sh> elmo: done :) [11:15] <Demitar> I seem to still have some breezy keyboard problems, even after ensuring what google found for me (mostly irclogs), xorg.conf: Driver "kbd", packages xkeyboard-config, and xkbutils installed. I still get "Error loading new keyboard description" when trying to do anything (and nothing) with setxkbmap. Have I missed something simple? [11:19] <fabbione> mdz: i didn't get ubuntu-meta on my mirror yet due to seb flooding archive.. [11:20] <fabbione> mdz: it should be there by the time i wake up in 6 hours.. [11:20] <fabbione> mdz: is that ok for you? does it need to be faster than that? [11:20] <fabbione> mdz: also.. tomorrow we will upload the new kernel.. [11:20] <fabbione> (just that you know) [11:40] <wasabi_> So what about coda support? [11:43] <torkel> wasabi_: isn't code more or lead a dead project? [11:44] <torkel> wasabi_: is there anyone actually using coda? [11:45] <lamont> glcontextmodes.c:44:24: error: GL/glxint.h: No such file or directory [11:45] <ajmitch> morning [11:46] <pitti> Hi ajmitch [11:46] <lamont> hrm.. actually, that's an infinity question... [11:49] <ogra> hello world :) [11:49] <seb128> lamont: this transition is for infinity
 seb128 : If anything you upload is FTBFS due to mesa/gl/glu stuff, don't worry about it, I'll fix it for you. [11:52] <ajmitch> ogra: hi :) [11:52] <ogra> finally online again [11:52] <ogra> :) [11:53] <lamont> seb128: yeah - actually, it's _mesa_ that's ftbfs for me... [11:53] <lamont> and I mixed up who the target was... sorry [11:53] <seb128> np :)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.565345

2005-08-23-#launchpad

[12:11] <mpt> So, which is faster at this poiunt [12:11] <mpt> nuking and starting again, or some magic? [12:12] <ddaa> mpt: since neither of us is willing to diagnose your situation to determine what is the _really_ fastest (in term of least computation) way to get there [12:12] <mpt> -> nuking, then [12:13] <ddaa> I strongly suggest you get a local rockefuel mirror (make-archive etc.) and populate it using the rocketsync script you can find in launchpad/utilities, courtesy of yours truly. [12:13] <mpt> ok [12:14] <mpt> thanks [12:18] <ddaa> mpt: also, for decent performance, you really want to periodically use abentley's library-relink script, and run "baz diff --link" in your launchpad tree, and make sure your editor is configured right. Hardlinking gives orders of magnitude speed improvements on such a large tree (that does not fit in your disk cache). [12:18] <ddaa> "baz diff --link" speeds up status, diff and commit, library-relink speeds up merges. [12:19] <ddaa> (of course, you need to be aware of the risks involved with having a hardlinked-to-revlib tree) [12:19] <mpt> I think that "launchpad" on a line by itself in the RFS instructions actually shouldn't be there [12:20] <ddaa> you must be a victim of line wrapping [12:20] <mpt> oh, that was just wrapping [12:20] <mpt> yeah [12:21] <ddaa> Maybe add $ signs at the beginning of every shell command [12:21] <ddaa> I tend to do that to avoid ambiguities, but that screw up copy-pasting [12:21] <mpt> Yes, and $s are already used in the instructions to represent variables [12:21] <ddaa> % then [12:22] <ddaa> Any character commonly used on shell prompts. [12:53] <mpt> carlos/anyone: I still don't have a working Launchpad tree, and I'm going home. So if you need to fix the Rosetta bar charts urgently, add a semicolon to the end of the "title" attribute assignment in the "Unchanged" section of the bar chart template. [12:53] <stub> ddaa: Where is the library-relink script? [01:12] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Add a karma column to the person table and update its value in the foaf-update-karma-cache.py cronscript. r=stub (patch-2267: guilherme.salgado@canonical.com) [01:54] <Nafallo> carlos: there? [01:58] <Nafallo> hmm, any other rosetta/gui people? :-) [01:59] <Nafallo> bye [01:59] <ddaa> stub: http://mirrors.sourcecontrol.net/aaron.bentley@utoronto.ca--baz/library-relink--devel--1 [01:59] <stub> ta [02:03] <ddaa> stub: quick sanity check, are you aware of anything (besides taxi) depending on the changesetfile, changesetfilehash and changesetfilename database tables? [02:05] <stub> ddaa: I don't think so. trebuchet, dyson and sourcerer use changeset, but don't go any further. [02:05] <ddaa> Good. [02:06] <ddaa> I'll be preparing a branch to remove the dependent code and tests in taxi and buttress, and a semblance of db patch to drop those tables. [02:06] <ddaa> Mh... maybe I could offload that to somebody. [02:06] <ddaa> spiv: willing to take a shot at importd? [02:07] <ddaa> we need an experienced butcher to hack off one of its extraneous limbs. [02:09] <carlos> Nafallo, I'm here [02:09] <ddaa> spiv: ping me when you're booted up. [02:29] <spiv> ddaa: ping [02:29] <spiv> ddaa: Also, has an importd been hitting Twisted SVN recently? [02:29] <ddaa> hu... don't think so [02:29] <ddaa> can hit it pretty easily though [02:30] <spiv> Heh, no. [02:30] <ddaa> Ha, yes. [02:30] <spiv> I have a local dump of the repo on chinstrap for you to play with :P [02:30] <ddaa> We do not like local dumps. [02:30] <ddaa> We had problems with them previously. [02:31] <spiv> I ask because apparently inetd is throttling SVN connections for Twisted, but that seems to be just because it's popular, rather than because of us. [02:31] <spiv> Sure. The reason it's there is because the Twisted import breaks atm, so you may as well have a fast-to-access copy to debug against that doesn't eat Twisted's bandwidth (which some poor volunteer pays for!). [02:32] <ddaa> Mh... buildbot sucks... it does not seem any import has been run since a the last time I tried a couple of days ago. But it's hard to be sure. [02:32] <spiv> Cool, well, it's broken, so no rush to retry ;) [02:33] <ddaa> all the failures I have in the history for twisted are due to 1. too many links in tmp, that bug is fixed 2. connection closed unexpectedly, that's inetd [02:34] <ddaa> If you think that's important, I can try to setup a test environment here to confirm that would pass. [02:34] <lifeless> ddaa: twisted import runs out of memory [02:35] <ddaa> lifeless: you tested it with a local repo? [02:35] <lifeless> ddaa: nothing to do with inetd, its purely to let us debug the svn problem with zope3 & twisted [02:35] <lifeless> ddaa: no, but thats the next step. it takes about a day to run out [02:35] <ddaa> Because the OOM is not apparent in the roomba logs. [02:35] <lifeless> ddaa: look at the end of the cscvs log [02:35] <ddaa> pysvn._pysvn.ClientError: Connection closed unexpectedly [02:35] <lifeless> its just a failure [02:35] <ddaa> prettyl quickly [02:35] <lifeless> older events then [02:36] <lifeless> it *was* running out consistently [02:36] <ddaa> older than that is OSError: [Errno 31] Too many links: '/tmp/tmp74F8Ra' [02:36] <interalia> yeah I noticed cscvs was being used in launchpad... works well? or a lot of hackery involved? [02:36] <ddaa> at a point we lost history because the buildbot tap crapped out somehow. [02:37] <lifeless> ddaa: too many links means /tmp isn't reaping properly [02:37] <spiv> Yeah, it was definitely OOMing consistently on Twisted. [02:37] <ddaa> lifeless: old bug, was fixed [02:37] <lifeless> or, the code I fixed wasn't rolled out [02:37] <ddaa> you fixed it [02:37] <ddaa> that's old history [02:37] <lifeless> oh [02:37] <lifeless> anyway, breakfast time [02:37] <lifeless> then I might go for a walk [02:37] <ddaa> spiv: anyway, you said you wanted to help with importd, didn't you? [02:39] <ddaa> (the twisted import will be taken care of at some undeterminate point in the future when mark decided I have enough work) [02:39] <spiv> ddaa: Well, I want there to be about 99 hours in every day, but sure ;) [02:40] <ddaa> So, I have something blocking importd-archivelocation, that's a big patch I have been working on since I came back from brazil. [02:40] <spiv> (Anyway, looks like they're about to tweak the inetd conf for Twisted, so that should fix that) [02:41] <ddaa> spiv: in lib/importd/taxi.py, line 172 you have [02:41] <ddaa> db_revision.clone_files(revision.iter_files()) [02:41] <ddaa> that stuff uses pybaz.Revision.iter_files, that is not currently working with URL, only registered names. [02:42] <ddaa> and it's used to populate three tables in the db, that are changesetfile, changesetfilename, and changesetfilehash [02:42] <ddaa> these tables are cruft, I have a green light from sabdfl for dropping them [02:43] <ddaa> they contain a lot of data ATM, but not useful data [02:43] <ddaa> your missing shall you accept it [02:43] <ddaa> * your mission [02:43] <ddaa> would be to produce two feature branches [02:44] <jblack> ddaa: I've gotten my work for the day out of the way. How can I help you? [02:44] <ddaa> The first one removes that line, an all the buttress cruft and tests that supports clone_files. [02:44] <ddaa> That I will rollout to production at my earliest convenience. [02:44] <ddaa> The second one is a db patch that actually drops the tables. [02:46] <spiv> You mean clone_files should be removed too? [02:46] <ddaa> Shall you encounter any other dependency on those tables (I'd be surprised, but these dark corners are full of bad surprises), I'd like to be informed. [02:46] <ddaa> spiv: yes, clone_files and all the supporting code [02:46] <ddaa> down to sqlobject classes [02:47] <ddaa> I want all the python code that depends on the tables removed separatedly from the db patch, because importd and launchpad (and the db) are rolled out separatedly. [02:48] <ddaa> spiv: if you feel too busy, you can try offloading to jblack, who's apparently idle ATM :) [02:48] <ddaa> spiv: jblack: any questions? [02:49] <jblack> Nope. Let me chase down the launchpad instructions. [02:49] <jblack> Actually, is there something else I can do to help? [02:49] <spiv> ddaa: I think my first pass will be to offload to jblack :) [02:50] <jblack> I just remembered that mark told me not long ago that he didn't want me working on launchpad. [02:50] <ddaa> jblack: spiv: don't fall over one another rushing to do it :) [02:50] <jblack> and I don't mean in a "because you have better things to do" way. [02:51] <jblack> It would probably be ok if I passed the code through one of you though, so that it got an extra review. [02:51] <spiv> ddaa: Well, I've got something else to do first today, but if I still have time after that, I'll try to dive into this. [02:51] <ddaa> jblack: that's not _really_ launchpad, that's importd, but I guess that's a technicality :) [02:52] <ddaa> spiv: good, because if I do not fix the python import before yesterday sabdfl will remove my caffeine drip, and THEN I'll be in trouble :) [02:52] <ddaa> Well, I do not mean to rush anybody... [02:53] <jblack> Oh, no, I'm offering. :) [02:54] <ddaa> Thanks guys. [02:54] <jblack> We're a team. That's what teams do [03:00] <jblack> presumably importd is in buildbot... [03:02] <ddaa> no, it's in launchpad/lib/importd now [03:02] <ddaa> most of the code to be removed actually lives in launchpad/lib/canonical/launchpad/database/arch*.py and launchpad/lib/canonical/arch (that's buttress). [03:03] <jblack> From the way I read this config, its launchpad--devel--0 ? [03:04] <jblack> must be. Just a little surprised. [03:04] <ddaa> yes, but you'll need the full checkout to run the "check_merge" later (after the db patch) to be sure there are no hidden dependencies [03:04] <jblack> Yeah. I'm going through the full build stuff. [03:05] <ddaa> use it not hardlinked for a little while, to understand the pain [03:05] <ddaa> that's educative... [03:05] <jblack> Yeah. I know the pain. I've done this from time to time to keep track [03:42] <jblack> painnnnn. [03:43] <jblack> stub: If you maintain https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/DatabaseSetup, then heads up. It looks like the instructions don't match cotm ubuntu (I dogfood it) [03:45] <stub> If you mean breezy, you are right. I have no idea how badly they are out of kilter though because I haven't got the facilities to run both hoary and breezy (and see no need to risk switching to breezy yet) [03:45] <stub> Feel free to update the relevant launchpad scripts and the wiki page though ;) [03:45] <jblack> Sure. Its just fine except for the locale step. [03:46] <stub> The main issue I'm aware of is the postgres-contrib stuff moving, which breaks the fti.py launchpad script. [03:46] <jblack> Ohhh. more breakage. [03:46] <stub> (but that might have been fixed in breezy - I have no idea) [03:46] <jblack> I'll run a test on it. Do you know if the tests catch the locale problem? [03:47] <stub> What actually is the locale problem? [03:47] <jblack> On that page, there are instructions to nuke the default database and recreate one with the current required locale. [03:48] <stub> ok. if your locale is screwed, the tests will fail. There are explicit tests to check this. [03:48] <jblack> Perfect. [03:48] <stub> And you will also get random failures as things are returned in the wrong order elsewhere ;) [03:49] <jblack> The problem is that the 7.4 in unstable, instead of having hte old fashioned /var/libpostgresql/data, now has /var/lib/postgresql/7.4/main (which is quite similiar to the old data dir) [03:50] <jblack> I don't have a machine with an older psql, so I can't compare the diffrences to find the perfect match. [03:50] <jblack> so I'm idly wondering if perhaps they fixed the locale thing. [03:50] <jblack> I also think I'm going to scavange a machine out of my parts. [03:50] <stub> Ok. So the instructions should work if you just fix the paths [03:51] <jblack> Thats the point. :) [03:51] <jblack> root@comet:/var/lib/postgresql # find . -name data [03:51] <jblack> root@comet:/var/lib/postgresql # [03:51] <stub> data isn't a magic name - it is just a directory name. Looks like /var/lib/postgresql/data is now /var/lib/postgresql/7.4/main [03:52] <jblack> /var/lib/postgresql/7.4/main/ looks like the rough equivilant, but I'm not sure (its been awhile since I've jumped into a 7.3 data dir). When I tried blowing that away instead and ran initdb, psql wouldn't even start. clustering complaints. [03:52] <stub> If it has a 'base' directory in it, it is the data directory. [03:53] <jblack> It has a base. [03:53] <jblack> And blowing it away as per those instructions makes bad things happen. [03:53] <stub> Of course, if you just run 'initdb' I have no idea if you are running the 7.4 or 8.0 initdb script ;) [03:53] <jblack> I'm not asking for support. I'm just giving you a heads up. :) [03:54] <jblack> ddaa: ping [03:54] <ddaa> here [03:54] <ddaa> please be quick, I'm on my way to bed [03:56] <jblack> ok. very quick. can't help you tonight. need to build machine with older ubuntu to help. [03:57] <stub> anyone: Do you remember how much the bus fair was between Sao Carlos and Sao Paolo? I think it was about 40 reals ? [03:57] <ddaa> no problem, spiv seems willing to give it a shot tonight, and anyway importd-archivelocation is also blocked by my NMI to fix python import. [03:58] <spiv> stub: 33 or 35 or something... let me find my receipt. [03:58] <ddaa> I recall 35 [03:59] <spiv> In fact it was 31.45 [09:53] <spiv> lifeless: What's the right thing to do about unicode in http urls? Just avoid it? [10:04] <lifeless> spiv: its scheme specific [10:04] <lifeless> spiv: the serialised url must meet the abnf in std66 [10:04] <spiv> lifeless: rfc 2718 seems to suggest utf-8 encode, then escape as usual. [10:05] <lifeless> that will probably be correct for url schemes defined post std66 [10:06] <lifeless> which is what 2718 is about [10:06] <jamesh> spiv: this is pointed to in the link you gave: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/appendix/notes.html#h-B.2.1 [10:07] <lifeless> jamesh: thats for html url references [10:07] <jamesh> safest is probably to generate ASCII URIs in launchpad, and expect encoded UTF-8 in the librarian [10:07] <lifeless> I thought spiv meant in the http protocol [10:07] <spiv> Right. This is for the librarian. [10:08] <spiv> What url should a file named u'Yow\N{INTERROBANG}' be published at in the librarian? :) [10:08] <lifeless> utf8 then % encode is safe always [10:08] <spiv> (using python literal notation) [10:08] <lifeless> urls will always round trip [10:08] <spiv> That suits me, I'll do that. [10:08] <spiv> (already coded it, in fact ;0 [10:08] <lifeless> the problem can occur if someone tries to show it nicely. [10:09] <lifeless> or if someone is trying to guess the url from other data. [10:09] <spiv> Neither of which are really concerns for the librarian. [10:09] <lifeless> i.e. if I say to you 'home pages are at http:/launchpad.net/people/$person', and $person is non ascii, then I might guess a different approach than you the server do [10:09] <lifeless> i.e. I might do latin-1 [10:10] <lifeless> where the server does utf-8 [10:10] <jamesh> encoded UTF-8 will make the web browsers we care about do the right thing when saving [10:10] <lifeless> (both post % encoded.) [10:10] <spiv> Thankfully, we have strict constraints on names in launchpad. I think the librarian is fairly unique here among our various systems. [10:10] <spiv> jamesh: That's good news. [10:10] <spiv> Ok, thanks to both of you for your help. [10:11] <lifeless> np [11:22] <carlos> morning [11:22] <Nafallo> carlos: morning and ping :-) [11:23] <Nafallo> carlos: could we have something in rosetta to show those where suggestions are added? [11:23] <carlos> Nafallo, like show translated, untranslated, needs review, etc...? [11:24] <Nafallo> would be easier to approve people based on the quality of their work if you don't have to walk through 14000 translations just to see two strings they've done. [11:24] <Nafallo> carlos: yepp :-) [11:25] <carlos> Nafallo, I suppose it's not a big problem... could you open a bug report about it so we don't forget it? [11:25] <Nafallo> carlos: sure. I'll assign it to you? :-) [11:25] <carlos> I cannot implement it now, but that way we will take care of it later [11:25] <carlos> Nafallo, as you wish :-) [11:25] <Nafallo> hehe [11:26] <jayp> Hi all, just logged a bug against ethereal in ubuntu, but since ethereal is universe, I'm told I should log it through launchpad. How does this differ from bugzilla? [11:27] <carlos> jayp, packages in main are not yet migrated to launchpad [11:27] <carlos> that's all [11:28] <jayp> carlos, but all ubuntu will go to this launchpad eventually? [11:28] <carlos> jayp, yes [11:29] <carlos> I think it will happen with breezy release, perhaps a bit earlier [11:29] <Nafallo> camilotelles: #1801, I can't assign it to you. missing privilegies :-( [11:29] <Nafallo> hmm [11:29] <Nafallo> carlos: ^ ;-) [11:30] <carlos> Nafallo, don't worry, if it's filed against rosetta, I will take it when I start the implementation. [11:30] <carlos> thanks [11:30] <Nafallo> no problem :-) [11:52] <carlos> stub, hi, still running the migration script?. Also... did you execute already on production the "fuzzy" one? [11:52] <stub> fuzzy script has run on production. The whitespace one is still running - it died due to a deadlock so I had to restart it this morning. [11:56] <sabdfl> stubarooney... we'll need an index on Person.karma [11:57] <stub> ok [11:57] <sabdfl> carlos: are we converging on good langpacks? [11:58] <carlos> sabdfl, I think we have more or less a detailed procedure for oo and firefox and the language packs should start flying after the white space migration script is executed on production [11:58] <carlos> sabdfl, I lost my wiki changes for firefox so I need to write them again today (my x server died before saving the changes :-( [12:00] <carlos> sabdfl, martin did a lanuage pack update manually this month, so I think we have time enough to test and fix any new issue that would appear before next update + firefox and oo support [12:00] <carlos> stub, ok [12:03] <carlos> sabdfl, also, I'm waiting for the whitespace script run on production to send the 1.0 announcement but if you don't want to delay it more... I could send it now that breezy is imported [12:04] <carlos> sabdfl, I keep forgetting to ask you about it, sorry [12:04] <carlos> sabdfl, what do you want to do? [12:04] <sabdfl> carlos: how long will the whitespace script take to run? [12:05] <carlos> sabdfl, I think a couple of days or so and we are still testing it on staging [12:05] <carlos> stub, ^^^ ? [12:06] <stub> I have no idea - it produces no useful output as to how much has been processed. If we need this soon, I can add some eta estimation and some optimizations. [12:08] <carlos> stub, if you don't mind... yes. we need it as soon as possible [12:09] <carlos> stub, and please, send me the patch so I can see your changes and next scripts I write are more optimized so you don't need to do it [12:11] <stub> carlos: You can have a look at the fuzzy migration script - I added statistics output, optimized memory usage by not loading the list of ids into ram, and made it commit every few thousand transactions instead of after every one (which perhaps halved the runtime all up) [12:11] <carlos> stub, oh, didn't see that you merged those changes back into rocketfuel.. [12:11] <carlos> stub, thank you! [12:15] <sabdfl> stub: i can add the index to 25-12-0.sql if you want [12:15] <stub> I've committed it to a local branch already (which I have been trying to land today ;-/) [12:15] <sabdfl> ok [12:16] <sabdfl> maybe we need a faster / dedicated box for PQM? [12:16] <sabdfl> it's taking at least 30 mins per attempt [12:16] <stub> We need less fragile tests :-( [12:17] <stub> I'm not sure how fast the tests run on a higher powered box - are they CPU bound? [12:19] <sabdfl> cpu and io, chinstrap isn't very fast [12:21] <spiv> The vmstat output during a test run might be interesting to see. [12:32] <sabdfl> spiv: are the page tests run through the debug layer, or not? [12:33] <stub> Last I saw they were not [12:34] <sabdfl> ok, thanks [12:51] <sabdfl> hmm... carlos, did mpt not fix the barchart snafu? [12:55] <carlos> sabdfl, he had to leave and told me how to fix it, I'm merging all my pending branches before merging that fix [01:30] <ddaa> sabdfl: sorry if my reply to your python-import request sounded like a complaint. I was _a bit_ of a coplaint, but I also wanted to give you an idea of what my queue looked like. [01:31] <sabdfl> ok [01:31] <sabdfl> i'd really like to coordinate on a week of pair programming with you and i, in london [01:31] <sabdfl> could you work with cvd to make sure that happens soon, please? [01:31] <ddaa> I'm working on the python problem in priority. I'm trying to get spiv or jblack to do the NukeChangesetFile thing for me, to unblock importd-archivelocation. [01:31] <sabdfl> if lifeless can join, great [01:32] <sabdfl> what is importd-archivelocation? spec name or url? [01:33] <ddaa> Hu... I'll check with lifeless, I think I'll be able to come sep. 4/5 to 9. [01:34] <ddaa> sabdfl: neither. ATM the work is being done in the (ill-named) branch david.allouche@canonical.com--2004/launchpad--importd-production--1.26 [01:35] <ddaa> Basically, it's the importd side of ddaa@ddaa.net--2004/pybaz--archivelocation--0 [01:37] <ddaa> which was specced on http://wiki.gnuarch.org/PybazArchiveLocation [01:37] <ddaa> something lifeless has been requesting for a long time, so he can drop the old archive registration scheme from baz. [01:38] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Implementation of UpstreamMappingForRoseta r=spiv (patch-2268: carlos.perello@canonical.com) [01:40] <Kinnison> ERROR: cannot drop sequence binarypackage_id_seq because table binarypackagerelease column id requires it [01:40] <Kinnison> yet [01:41] <Kinnison> id | integer | not null default nextval('public.binarypackagerelease_id_seq'::text) [01:41] <Kinnison> so wtf does psql think it's in use? [01:41] <stub> Because the column was created as a serial, and the two are linked. [01:41] <stub> Why do you want to drop it? [01:42] <jamesh> Kinnison: pgsql doesn't use the column default value to track the relationship [01:43] <Kinnison> stub: I can't find a way to rename a sequence [01:44] <stub> ALTER TABLE binarypackagerelease_id_seq RENAME TO foo_id_seq; [01:44] <Kinnison> you're kidding? [01:44] <stub> (go figure) [01:44] <stub> Nope [01:44] <Kinnison> does that fix up DEFAULT clauses? [01:45] <stub> Nope. Then you need to ALTER TABLE Binarypackagerelease ALTER COLUMN id SET DEFAULT nextval('public.foo_id_se'::text) [01:45] <stub> so they are linked, but not in a particularly useful way ;) [01:45] <Kinnison> thanks [01:46] <jamesh> it links OIDs, iirc [01:47] <kiko-zzz> good morning hackers [01:47] <kiko> T-13 minutes to meeting [01:48] <carlos> kiko, morning [01:49] <kiko> how's sunny spain? [01:51] <carlos> not so sunny but hot anyway :-D [01:51] <kiko> heh [01:53] <kiko> what's up with production, stub? [01:53] <kiko> Trying 82.211.81.179... [01:53] <kiko> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host [01:53] <stub> hmm... must have died [01:53] <kiko> or is it my network? [01:54] <stub> I'm getting a 503 [01:54] <kiko> T-5 and counting [01:55] <kiko> does anyone have topics they'd like discussed in this morning's meeting? [01:57] <stub> Hmm... uptime 3 minutes. Don't know if the server crashed or elmo rebooted it. [01:57] <kiko> elmo? [01:57] <bradb> hey all [01:57] <bradb> BjornT: did you have a chance to see the way I reimplemented BugTaskAssigneeWidget? [01:58] <bradb> I was hoping to submit the merge request before the meeting started... [01:58] <kiko> T-2 and counting, so that means probably not bradb [01:58] <BjornT> bradb: no sorry, not yet. will do that after the meeting. [01:58] <bradb> ok, thanks [02:00] <kiko> and it's time [02:00] <kiko> just in time, too [02:00] <kiko> [02:00] <kiko> 1. Role Call [02:00] <kiko> 2. Activity Reports [02:00] <kiko> 3. Release Announcements [02:00] <kiko> 4. 3 Phrases [02:00] <kiko> if anyone has any topics they'd like discussed, just /msg me [02:01] <kiko> so who's around and awake? [02:01] <spiv> me [02:01] <morgs> me [02:01] <BjornT> me [02:01] <jamesh> me [02:01] <salgado> me [02:01] <stub> yo [02:01] <bradb> me [02:01] <kiko> mpt the yoga man [02:01] <jblack> me [02:02] <kiko> okidok [02:02] <kiko> no cprov? [02:02] <kiko> no daf, but that's understood [02:02] <kiko> I imagine ddaa should be around [02:02] <kiko> maybe [02:02] <kiko> okay let's move on [02:02] <ddaa> hello [02:02] <kiko> touching base on activity reports [02:03] <kiko> who is in the same situation as I am? [02:03] <kiko> (i.e. really bad this week) [02:03] <mpt> up to date! [02:03] <spiv> I'm up to date (although my hour tracking has been suboptimal) [02:03] <stub> I'm up to date [02:03] <jblack> Just need to finish yesterday [02:03] <kiko> you guys rock [02:03] <kiko> jamesh and me get the dunce hats [02:03] <spiv> kiko: slacker :P [02:04] <kiko> too many distractions :-( [02:04] <kiko> okay [02:04] <kiko> on release announcements [02:04] <kiko> mark wants to get the releases underway [02:05] <kiko> I think it's healthy to get these planned sooner rather than laters [02:05] <kiko> I think we're probably going to do a launchpad registry 1.0 (foaf and doap) [02:05] <kiko> a rosetta 1.0 [02:05] <kiko> and a malone 1.0 [02:05] <mpt> In that order? [02:05] <kiko> soyuz 1.0 I'm not so sure of the feasibility in the short term [02:06] <kiko> well [02:06] <carlos> kiko, rosetta 1.0 is ready to be sent, just waiting for some data migration [02:06] <kiko> that's a question for everybody [02:06] <Kinnison> kiko: soyuz's UI needs a lot more work as we discovered in SC [02:06] <kiko> Kinnison, yes, I'm aware [02:06] <carlos> kiko, I mean, the announcement text is ready [02:06] <kiko> I know the text is ready [02:06] <jblack> the baz 1.5 one is ready, but should wait until lifeless is back so that he can actually cut the release. :) [02:06] <kiko> my question is what's missing for rosetta, carlos [02:06] <Kinnison> stub: production now runs the database with the valid_version patch in place, yes? [02:06] <kiko> and for malone [02:07] <stub> Kinnison: yes [02:07] <carlos> kiko, I'm waiting to have the whitespaces fix run on production [02:07] <carlos> so we stop exporting broken .po files [02:07] <Kinnison> stub: Cool, then we're about 95% of the way to being able to deploy gina for imports on production [02:07] <salgado> kiko, we still miss basic voting for foaf 1.0 [02:07] <kiko> carlos, the code is landed, so AFAIK this is just a data migration change, right? [02:07] <kiko> salgado, how much voting is in place? no UI? [02:07] <carlos> but we can send the annoucement now if you want as the script will take a couple of days to finish [02:07] <carlos> kiko, right [02:08] <salgado> kiko, yes. no UI [02:08] <kiko> carlos, no, we should run the script -- why haven't we done so yet? [02:08] <kiko> salgado, I /really/ need us to move into shipit, so voting needs to be done nowish [02:08] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Cleanup product's code, start using POTemplate.iscurrent field and fixed POTemplate's admin form. r=spiv (patch-2269: carlos.perello@canonical.com) [02:08] <kiko> morgs, anything that would bother you before calling it registry 1.0? [02:08] <bradb> kiko: Including the stuff added in Brazil: 1. making +bugs on distro an untriaged bugs page, 2. menus, 3. distrorelease CVE report, 4. MaloneSearchResults, 5. changing the URLs (again), 6. changing the distrorelease bugs report somewhat. [02:09] <morgs> kiko: no, RDF seems to be humming along [02:09] <salgado> kiko, that's what I'm doing [02:09] <carlos> kiko, because we had some errors and takes a while to execute it on staging [02:09] <bradb> 7. maybe something else [02:09] <carlos> kiko, it seems to be fixed now, but still running on staging [02:09] <kiko> bradb, BjornT: that stack is looking pretty dismal [02:09] <kiko> carlos/stub, when is the ETA for the script finishing? [02:09] <bradb> kiko: yep, despite the fact that I've landed a ton of stuff this past week [02:10] <carlos> kiko, stub is working on getting that information already [02:10] <kiko> okay [02:10] <bradb> I've used the word "overloaded" a few times, and will be using it again in my three sentences today. :) [02:10] <stub> About 24 hours for the staging run [02:10] <kiko> bradb, take on them one at a time, I guess [02:10] <stub> (assuming no more deadlocks) [02:10] <bradb> yep, I'm working on MaloneSearchResults right now [02:10] <kiko> stub, so should be just a bit slower for the production run? [02:10] <morgs> kiko: "doap" is definitely removed from every place in launchpad now, so please don't refer to it in public emails etc. It's dead, Jim! [02:11] <kiko> bradb, how much of that is on BjornT's plate? [02:11] <kiko> morgs, I didn't, did I? [02:11] <stub> kiko: Dunnu. Production is slower CPU but more RAM. [02:11] <kiko> stub, I thought it would be slower just because of more contention [02:11] <bradb> kiko: dunno, because i don't assign these things. [02:11] <kiko> but whatever [02:11] <ddaa> kiko: I'm not sure if there any current issues with the display of bazaar branches [02:11] <bradb> kiko: AFAIK he's been doing email UI, bug attachments. [02:12] <kiko> bradb, surely you coordinate with BjornT to divide work [02:12] <kiko> and if you don't, start now [02:12] <kiko> you guys need to work together, no AFAIKs are justified [02:12] <morgs> kiko: (14:05:16) kiko: I think we're probably going to do a launchpad registry 1.0 (foaf and doap) [02:12] <bradb> BjornT: start grabbing dude :) [02:12] <kiko> bradb, there's more to teamwork than just announcing you have work that others can do. [02:12] <BjornT> bradb: sure :) let's talk after the meeting to divide the work [02:13] <kiko> okay [02:13] <bradb> ok [02:13] <kiko> the way I see it we should probably do rosetta and registry first,malone next [02:13] <ddaa> kiko: branch display still sucks donkey balls https://launchpad.net/products/automake [02:13] <kiko> that's coarse language for 9:13am [02:14] <mpt> ddaa: That's a one-line fix [02:14] <ddaa> mpt: thanks for volunteering [02:14] <mpt> a pleasure [02:14] <kiko> great [02:14] <mpt> just as soon as I have a working tree [02:14] <spiv> ddaa: I believe the correct phrase is "DOIT" :) [02:14] <mpt> (go baz, go) [02:15] <kiko> ddaa, if you find any blockers in the next 6 hours, mail the list -- I'm relying on you to tell me that registry is fit for your interpretation of a 1.0 [02:15] <carlos> mpt, I did already the statistics bar fix [02:15] <kiko> bradb, BjornT: you guys are totally on the hook to get these things either pushed off or finished and landed [02:15] <mpt> carlos: I didn't see the PQM message for that [02:15] <carlos> mpt, it's there [02:15] <mpt> ok, thanks [02:16] <carlos> mpt, look at the end of the list [02:16] <carlos> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/pqm.cgi [02:16] <kiko> carlos, mpt: any further regressions we should be aware of as blocking a 1.0? [02:16] <ddaa> duh... there's other suckiness left methink. Where is staging? [02:16] <kiko> carlos, pqm.ubuntu.com [02:16] <kiko> ddaa, okay, use email [02:16] <carlos> kiko, oh!, thank you [02:16] <ddaa> kiko: I will [02:16] <kiko> clock ticked [02:16] <kiko> spiv suggested discussing UBZ dates [02:17] <kiko> I'll talk a bit about UBZ [02:17] <kiko> we're going to be there for two weeks [02:17] <jamesh> not 1 week? [02:17] <kiko> for the first week we're there with the distro team, and our task is to hack changes in for them [02:18] <stub> ddaa: staging is back up [02:18] <kiko> I want the distro team to understand and feel that we work for them [02:18] <Kinnison> kiko: My grandmother's 90th birthday party is the 22nd and 23rd October [02:18] <kiko> Kinnison, UBZ will be after that [02:18] <ddaa> stub: thanks [02:18] <Kinnison> kiko: Okay, just thought I'd say that I can't fly out of .uk until the 24th at the earliest [02:19] <kiko> it is most likely that ubz will be first two weeks of november, taking only 2 days of october [02:19] <stub> I will need to minimize my time there - I was expecting 8 days originally :-( [02:19] <kiko> stub, you'll have to bring that up with the sab, and you know what I mean [02:20] <kiko> come on guys, this is 2.5 months advance notice, there's more than enough time to plan and arrange [02:20] <bradb> i'll supply the bikini-clad girls [02:20] <kiko> does anyone besides brazilians need visas for canada? [02:20] <jblack> What dates? [02:20] <jamesh> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummit [02:20] <kiko> jblack, wake up [02:20] <Kinnison> kiko: FYI, bits of my year are planned out 12-18 months in advance [02:20] <jblack> whoops. [02:21] <kiko> Kinnison, and then there are the Canonical bits :) [02:21] <Kinnison> kiko: aye :-) [02:21] <spiv> kiko: Eh, 2.5 months isn't really that much, particularly when until the dates are set I can't assume that making any personal plans I make are safe. :/ [02:21] <jblack> 30 Oct - 11 Nov ? [02:21] <kiko> assume the first two weeks of november [02:21] <kiko> jblack, don't count on the exact dates (i.e. give or take 2/3 days on each end) but that's the area [02:22] <stub> kiko: remember that we are currently spending 1 day in 6 overseas - it gets difficult to squeeze in anything else [02:22] <kiko> don't be anxious, we'll get dates out to each of you early next week [02:22] <Kinnison> Thanks [02:22] <kiko> so again [02:22] <kiko> the plan is to spend one week as hacking serfs for the distro team [02:22] <kiko> so they feel that they can actually get features coded and landed [02:23] <kiko> it won't be high-stress -- hopefully -- more like a little fun hacking sprint [02:23] <Kinnison> That'll be really important for soyuz [02:23] <morgs> kiko: somebody going to take PQM with to the sprint? [02:23] <Kinnison> and I'd love for non soyuz hackers to join in on that [02:23] <kiko> the second week, when we're more or less by ourselves (some distro guys will stay on with us), we'll work on our specs [02:23] <kiko> morgs, I don't know if that was a real question or not [02:24] <kiko> stub and I need to figure out what the right approach to updates and QA will be there, since it's a somewhat special case -- what sort of production rollout policy will we use [02:24] <kiko> anyway [02:24] <kiko> that's the summary [02:24] <morgs> sprint bandwidth tends to suck and there will be contention for PQM - just making an observation [02:25] <kiko> I hope working with the distro guys will be fun and invigorating -- having users to talk to and satisfy is usually a very positive experience for most [02:25] <kiko> morgs, it's canada, so bandwidth should be good, and PQM contention, well, as I said, stub and I will talk about the rollout policy -- so we'll see [02:25] <bradb> bandwidth should be really good here [02:25] <kiko> ah [02:25] <kiko> one final note [02:26] <kiko> the LTSP guys were having a meeting in maine [02:26] <kiko> since the dates collided and we really want LTSP to hook up officially with ubuntu [02:26] <kiko> we've offered them to join conferences [02:26] <kiko> this means that there will be an extra 15 guys or so for the first week [02:26] <Kinnison> Should be a really interesting first week [02:27] <kiko> it's interesting I think because LTSP may give us some derivative-requirements action [02:27] <Kinnison> indeed [02:27] <kiko> it'll be fun seeing if they can tackle malone too; I'm not sure how interested they are in rosetta [02:27] <bradb> i found this: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.html btw, but it doesn't make a specific mention of the word "business". I notice that Brazil is in the list of countries requiring visa. [02:27] <kiko> I don't think there's any other UBZ information I know right now [02:28] <kiko> yeah [02:28] <kiko> I know brazil needs visas [02:28] <kiko> I don't know if south africa does [02:28] <morgs> I think so [02:28] <kiko> bradb, did you need a visa for anywhere but brazil? [02:28] <bradb> ZA is listed on that page [02:29] <bradb> kiko: i imagine so [02:29] <kiko> chirp chirp [02:29] <kiko> bradb, /did/ [02:29] <kiko> on former conferences [02:29] <bradb> kiko: oh, but so /far/, no [02:29] <kiko> okay [02:29] <kiko> enough of UBZ? [02:29] <jamesh> I think conferences/meetings count as visiting [02:30] <carlos> jamesh, visiting like tourist visit ? [02:30] <kiko> I think so too [02:30] <bradb> jamesh: i do too :) but i'm not sure if there might be a more strict set of requirement for business visits [02:30] <kiko> perhaps only in practice [02:30] <kiko> okay [02:30] <kiko> time for those 3 phrases of love [02:30] <kiko> go! [02:30] <mpt> DONE: Rosetta tweaks, Malone and infrastructure specs [02:30] <mpt> TODO: unbreak branches, main template crack, TranslationReview [02:30] <mpt> HINDRANCES: baz crashiness, tiredness, various SteveA magic [02:31] <spiv> DONE: TeamsInAuthserver, Bug 1785 (+ extra Librarian test coverage), Bug 1659, reviews. [02:31] <spiv> TODO: Day off tomorrow (Twisted sprint), then TeamLogin & SupermirrorFilesystemHierarchy, try to squeeze in time to help take load off ddaa. And reviews, as always. [02:31] <spiv> BLOCKED: No. [02:31] <Kinnison> DONE: manic database renaming work [02:31] <Kinnison> TODO: finish rename work [02:31] <Kinnison> BLOCKED: how long the full test suite takes [02:31] <jblack> DONE: advocacy, release roadmap [02:31] <ddaa> DONE: various importd and cscvs cleanups and diagnostics [02:31] <ddaa> TODO: fix python import, finish importd-archivelocation [02:31] <ddaa> BLOCKED: NukeChangesetFile (trying to offload) [02:31] <stub> DONE: Bugfixes [02:31] <Kinnison> ddaa: "Holy See" == "vatican" [02:31] <morgs> DONE: Finally get RDF fix into production [02:31] <morgs> TODO: Clarify tasks and role going forward [02:31] <morgs> BLOCKED: None [02:31] <BjornT> DONE: last bits of bug attachment implementation. added some more commands to the email interface and fixed some minor bugs there. work some on threadable emails notification. [02:31] <jblack> TODO: advocacy, detailed roadmap,supermirror [02:31] <BjornT> TODO: finish threadable emails notification implementation. reviews. fix email wrapping problem. probably something more, related to malone 1.0 [02:31] <salgado> DONE: BasicVoting, code review, random bug fixes [02:31] <salgado> TODO: BasicVoting, ShipItNG, code review, random fixes [02:31] <salgado> BLOCKED: Nothing [02:31] <BjornT> BLOCKED: no [02:31] <carlos> DONE: User support, branch merging, language packs [02:31] <jblack> BLOCKED: no [02:31] <stub> TODO: linkchecker integration in test suites [02:31] <stub> BLOCKED: Nope [02:31] <carlos> TODO: language packs, more branch merges and user support [02:32] <bradb> DONE: Landed MaloneSourcePackageBugListing. Landed DistroReleaseBugTargeting. PresentingLengthsOfTime (i.e. fmt:approximateduration) on its way to pqm right now. Half way through MaloneSearchResults. [02:32] <carlos> BLOCKED: Need longer days [02:32] <bradb> TODO: Finish MaloneSearchResults, land BugTaskAssigneeWidget this morning. Divide up the other work with BjornT, and DO IT. [02:32] <bradb> BLOCKED: Overloaded. Very, very, overloaded. [02:32] <kiko> DONE: Brazil Ubuntu/LP promotion, Rosetta POParser study, Malone hacking, planning wiki changes, being distracted [02:32] <Kinnison> Oh yeah: BLOCKED: baz takes too long to do 'diff' at times [02:32] <kiko> TODO: wiki migration, roadmaps (including the Bazaar one) [02:32] <kiko> BLOCKED: SteveA's opinion on some Malone design issues, the usual [02:32] <cprov> DONE: Bug fixing in GPG and CoC [02:32] <cprov> TODO: BuilddUI, AutoBuild minor fixes, support also deattached CoC signatures [02:32] <cprov> BLOCKED: None [02:32] <Kinnison> kiko: So, the brazil OSS bus looks cool. Did you have a hand in that? [02:32] <mpt> kiko: "wiki migration"? [02:33] <kiko> nope, what OSS bus :) [02:33] <jamesh> DONE: some CalendarAggregation work, some LaunchpadIntegration, pyme key editing support [02:33] <jamesh> TODO: finish gpg key analyser stuff, CalendarAggregation, code reviews [02:33] <jamesh> BLOCKED: Steve reviewing my calendar-ui branch [02:33] <kiko> mpt, did I say wiki migration anywhere? [02:33] <mpt> kiko: yeah, the "TODO: wiki migration" part [02:33] <kiko> ah [02:34] <kiko> that was perhaps wiki roadmap migration [02:34] <Kinnison> kiko: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56158 [02:34] <cprov> Kinnison: could we talk at ##soyuz ? [02:35] <kiko> okay [02:35] <kiko> any parting comments or questions? [02:35] <mpt> stub: When is the code freeze for the next production rollout? [02:35] <bradb> kiko: is there a fixed date for Malone 1.0? [02:36] <stub> I'm thinking tomorrow given the landings that people are pushing through tonight [02:36] <sabdfl> bradb, bjornt: i'm reworking bounty subscrptions along the lines we discussed for bug subscriptions, if it's useful I'll publish the patch shortly it should be easy to copy for bug subs [02:36] <kiko> bradb, not yet -- but we need them [02:36] <kiko> (fixed dates) [02:37] <stub> Bah - I have all tests bar incomingmail.txt passing in PQM :-/ [02:37] <kiko> I'm going through the stacks [02:38] <BjornT> stub: hmm, i thought i fixed it :(. could you send me the test failure? [02:38] <bradb> kiko: so, i imagine that first means that we have to confirm that what we understand to be 1.0 to make sure it lines up with what other people expect for Malone 1.0 [02:38] <kiko> right [02:38] <kiko> we need to be cheap there though [02:38] <bradb> when can we do that? [02:38] <bradb> cheap is good [02:39] <kiko> bradb, let me go through the wiki and specs [02:39] <bradb> ok [02:39] <kiko> I might fit in some phone calls to triage specs around [02:39] <kiko> anything else? [02:39] <kiko> 5 [02:39] <bradb> not all of these things have specs, btw [02:39] <kiko> bradb, they should have at least stubs or bug #s [02:39] <kiko> 4 [02:39] <bradb> ok [02:40] <kiko> 3 [02:40] <kiko> 2 [02:40] <kiko> 1 [02:40] <kiko> thanks guys [02:40] <carlos> kiko, thanks [02:40] <bradb> cheers [02:40] <Kinnison> thanks kiko [02:40] <Nafallo> kiko: 1.0 in a few days, right? :-) [02:40] <kiko> Kinnison, carlos and bradb: I'll probably call you today forabout 15 minutes to sort out the spec stacks [02:41] <Kinnison> kiko: ergh, I've not given them any thought [02:41] <bradb> ok [02:41] <carlos> kiko, ok [02:41] <Kinnison> kiko: so give me 30 mins notice so I can refresh my brain [02:41] <kiko> bradb, and Kinnison, if you could coordinate to get an idea of the spread of specs [02:41] <bradb> kiko: i'm populating the wiki with some stubs for the just-do-it bits [02:41] <kiko> it won't be for at least the next 2h [02:41] <carlos> kiko, remember that I changed my land phone number [02:41] <Kinnison> okay [02:41] <kiko> carlos, msg me if you like [02:41] <carlos> kiko, wiki one is the right one [02:41] <carlos> ok [03:03] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] add top contributors to home page (patch-2270: mark.shuttleworth@canonical.com) [03:09] <bradb> kiko: I've added several specs to the wiki that were mentioned for Malone 1.0. Everything that I'm aware of for 1.0 should now be in a spec on the wiki. Once we nail down exactly which specs are mandatory for 1.0, perhaps we can add those to MaloneOneDotZero and divide them up between me and BjornT. [03:11] <bradb> meantime, shower [03:12] <elmo> ddaa: I'm upgrading escudero now; it's going to mean some downtime for it's sshd. if now is a particularly bad time, please shout soon [03:14] <ddaa> Bah... we have things happening all day long... [03:14] <elmo> ddaa: ok, I can leave it, if you like [03:14] <ddaa> elmo: I'll put hoover offline, please tell me when the sshd is back up [03:15] <ddaa> that sholud minimise disruption and let you do your work. [03:15] <elmo> ok, thanks [03:15] <ddaa> lucky, I caught an idle spot :) [03:16] <ddaa> elmo: btw [03:17] <ddaa> I know it's bad, evil, etc, but could you _please_ raise the unauth connection limit to, say, 10? [03:17] <ddaa> Because ATM we do not have a better solution, and hell, that's a dedicated server! [03:20] <elmo> if you mean maxstartups, it already is 10 [03:20] <elmo> #MaxStartups 10:30:60 [03:20] <elmo> btw, please let me know when hoover is down and I'm good to start [03:20] <ddaa> It's already offline (that's different from down) [03:20] <ddaa> that means it won't start any new job. [03:20] <elmo> ok, thanks [03:20] <ddaa> I mean somethnig different, lemme check. [03:22] <ddaa> Ha, right... I mean that, but I mean a different value :) [03:23] <ddaa> Well, please make it "25:30:60". [03:23] <ddaa> That should fix my pain for now. [03:34] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Improvements and added support to select archive components r=spiv (patch-2271: carlos.perello@canonical.com) [03:42] <sabdfl> morning Keybuk [03:43] <Keybuk> heyhey, give me half an hour and we'll have that phone chat :) [03:44] <Keybuk> elmo: prod (re: casey stuff) [03:49] <Keybuk> sabdfl: batteries seem dead [03:50] <sabdfl> might need sharpening [03:50] <sabdfl> i haven't been using it... enough [04:03] <elmo> ddaa: escudero is back, pls shout if anything is wrong [04:05] <ddaa> It's asking importd for a password [04:05] <ddaa> https://macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com/hoover/status/openjade-opensp-main/events/494/log [04:06] <ddaa> elmo: that _a bit_ too secure. [04:07] <ddaa> elmo: SHOUT [04:08] <elmo> cocking badgers [04:09] <ddaa> I guess that's an ack... [04:09] <elmo> ddaa: err, hang on, there [04:09] <elmo> ddaa: err, hang on, there's never been an importd user; it's "hoover" on escudero [04:10] <kiko> darn [04:10] <ddaa> elmo: it asks for a password anywoy [04:10] <ddaa> from galapagos and neumayer [04:11] <ddaa> (but thanks for reminding me it's hoover@) [04:11] <elmo> ah, does too [04:14] <ddaa> darn... lost an autotester [04:14] <elmo> meep? [04:14] <ddaa> nevermind, probably just some OOM crash or something [04:14] <elmo> oh, ok, not hw [04:14] <elmo> ddaa: pls retry hoover@escudero now [04:14] <ddaa> it happens from time to time, [04:14] <ddaa> workrave [04:18] <ddaa> hoover@arch.ubuntu.com works [04:18] <ddaa> thx [04:18] <ddaa> checking status of autotester now [04:20] <ddaa> elmo: apparently russkaya and leningradskaya were recently rebooted [04:21] <ddaa> I'd like if you could drop me a notice when that happens (also true for marambio, neumayer, and galapagos). [04:23] <elmo> ddaa: yeah, sorry, I only just noticed myself - apparently the electricians we had in managed to knock a power cord or two lose [04:24] <ddaa> elmo: I'm disappointed, I always thought that your were cybernetically linked to load and status monitor for all your servers. [04:24] <ddaa> The way high server load seems to give you physical pain... [04:29] <Keybuk> there are rather a lot of them [04:29] <Keybuk> have you never had an itch that you've not actually been able to locate? [04:30] <Keybuk> and had to randomly scratch different bits to try and narrow it down [04:30] <ddaa> Keybuk: I guess that how an amd64 upload to ftpmaster feels to elmo [04:34] <ddaa> elmo: pinkfloyd.colorado.edu seems to be unreachable from the DC. I can reach it (and to a svn co) from my laptop. [04:35] <ddaa> can that be fixed? [04:35] <ddaa> (if mean the former, I'm happy to reach it from my laptop) [04:35] <bradb> BjornT: Can I expect to see a response to BugTaskAssigneeWidget in the next hour and a half? Sorry to nag, but I'd really like to land this. [04:36] <carlos> kiko, we have some 'PartialImplemented' specs, could we add that category? [04:36] <BjornT> bradb: yeah, i'm looking at it right now [04:36] <carlos> until we implement those ? [04:36] <bradb> cool, thanks [04:37] <Kinnison> Oh well, I've gone from a couple of test failures to the harness not starting without error [04:37] <Kinnison> hurrah for fixing bugs [04:37] <sabdfl> carlos: nup [04:38] <sabdfl> otherwise everything will end up that way [04:38] <sabdfl> if the thing needs to be phased, then we need separate specs per phase [04:38] <sabdfl> done, or not [04:38] <carlos> I don't think it will happen again, but we have several specs that were half implemented for Hoary support [04:39] <carlos> and that would help us to track them [04:39] <sabdfl> carlos: then they need to be carved to phase2 specs [04:40] <carlos> instead of just finish the implementation? [04:49] <sabdfl> either - if it's important to you to reflect the work done, then a second spec, and mark the first one implemented [04:50] <carlos> It's only a way to track the status, it's not too important [04:51] <ddaa> elmo: ping [04:51] <ddaa> From 82.211.81.129 icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable [04:52] <Nafallo> hehe, ping and a ping error? ;-) [04:52] <ddaa> at least somebody gets my humour :) [04:53] <Nafallo> hehe :-) [05:00] <elmo> ddaa: ? [05:01] <ddaa> I cannot seem to ping pinkfloyd.colorado.edu from within the data center, and I cannot do a svn checkout from http://pinkfloyd.colorado.edu:8080/svn/osiris/osiris/trunk [05:01] <ddaa> The ping error I pasted is the result of "ping pinkfloyd.colorado.edu". [05:01] <ddaa> from russkaya [05:02] <ddaa> but I can checkout from my laptop, so I think it might be a network problem with the DC [05:03] <Keybuk> ddaa: I suspect it's likely an "outbound firewall rules don't let you do that, hahahaha" problem [05:03] <Keybuk> 8080 isn't in the allowed port list [05:04] <ddaa> Keybuk: that might be part of the problem. But that does not explain the ping errors... [05:04] <Keybuk> icmp can be firewalled too [05:04] <elmo> icmp is firewalled on their end [05:04] <elmo> (as well as ours) [05:04] <ddaa> bah [05:04] <ddaa> okay, ping is dead [05:04] <ddaa> still, I cannot svn co. [05:04] <Keybuk> The Ping is Dead! Long Live the Ping! [05:05] <elmo> I've added 8080 to the allowed ports for the importd machines [05:05] <ddaa> elmo: seems to work better [05:06] <Keybuk> the idea here is that when some pimply 14yo script kiddie hacks our importd machines using carefully crafted cvs or svn packets, and gets root, they still can't do fuck-all with it [05:06] <Keybuk> except, possibly, read slashdot [05:07] <ddaa> okay, the test import seems to be going [05:10] <ddaa> Keybuk: right, right... I can imagine cvs or libsvn getting buffer overflowed by an hostile server. [05:11] <ddaa> elmo: thanks [05:13] <ddaa> Just got a phone call from a housing agency, who told me to check their website at "hgiv.fr"... then when I read them the content of the page (that translates to "no website is configured at this address") they told me "www at the beginning, of course, if you don't type the beginning correctly". [05:14] <elmo> Keybuk: what it is you want from me excactly? an rsync of archive.u.c ? [05:14] <elmo> you realize that'll eat a fair whack of your available disk, right?\ [05:24] <Keybuk> is there a way to nfs that? [05:26] <elmo> mm, I guess, but I don't currently have nfs support enabled in our kernels [05:27] <Keybuk> how big is the archive at the moment? [05:27] <bradb> BjornT: Is BasicBugAttachments implemented, or is there more work to do on it to implement it to spec? [05:28] <elmo> Keybuk: 75Gb [05:28] <Keybuk> Kinnison: would gina/cap work with a source-only archive? [05:29] <Kinnison> gina can work source-only, yes [05:29] <BjornT> bradb: it's implemented [05:29] <Keybuk> elmo: can you do a source-only archive rsync? [05:30] <elmo> sure [05:30] <bradb> BjornT: ok, thanks [05:31] <Keybuk> that'd be fine; and it can be main-only if possible too ? :p [05:31] <bradb> BjornT: is CommentBugViaEmail 1. current and 2. implemented? [05:32] <elmo> sure [05:32] <Keybuk> ok, if you could stick that as /srv/<something meaningful> that'd be great [05:32] <Keybuk> also if you could open 4280 to the world, rather than just async, that'd be good. you can get rid of the hole for dogfood now [05:34] <elmo> done [05:34] <BjornT> bradb: 1. yes 2. yes [05:35] <bradb> thanks [05:35] <Keybuk> ok, the last thing we need to figure out is [05:35] <Keybuk> there's going to be a baz archive on casey while distro guys will need to be able to get at [05:35] <Keybuk> Mark was non-keen on it being HTTP exported [05:35] <Keybuk> and was heard to mutter something about SFTP [05:35] <Keybuk> any thoughts? [05:36] <elmo> spiv has a twisted based sftp server, which we're using for the supermirror, I don't know if it can do anonymous [05:36] <elmo> I assume mark was muttering about that [05:37] <Keybuk> that might be useful, I shall talk to him [05:37] <Keybuk> oh yeah, that rsync'd archive, can you make that get updated daily? [05:38] <bradb> kiko: how hard would it be to make an rss feed of each wiki application category? (i.e. I want to be able to easily subscribe to the MaloneSpecification RSS feed, so that I can easily bookmark all Malone specs.) [05:38] <kiko> I have no clue, but I can research [05:39] <kiko> oh [05:44] <sabdfl> elmo, keybuk: non-anonymous would be even better [05:45] <Keybuk> sabdfl: it'd be non-anonymous inherently because you have to go through chinstrap to get there [05:47] <bradb> BjornT: can you please go through: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneSpecification and mark any other specs ImplementedSpecification that you've implemented? [05:50] <elmo> oh, well non-anonymous via chinstrap we can probably do already with 'scponly' [05:50] <elmo> I assumed tho this was for more than just people with chinstrap access [05:50] <elmo> Keybuk: /srv/archive.u.c/ubuntu [05:50] <sabdfl> chinstrap works for me [05:50] <elmo> lemme know if that's what you need/want and I'll cron it [05:50] <elmo> (on casey) [05:51] <bradb> pqm is surrealistically slow this morning [05:51] <Keybuk> elmo: looks perfect, thanks; cron that once a day [05:53] <elmo> done [05:53] <elmo> I'll look at doing the scponly thing when I get home, if that's ok? [05:53] <Keybuk> one laaaaast thing [05:53] <Keybuk> an you please copy [05:53] <Keybuk> emperor:/var/lib/postgres/backups/launchpad_prod.20050816.dump.bz2 or later [05:53] <Keybuk> onto casey [05:53] <Keybuk> "You can put it anywhere" [05:54] <Keybuk> (scponly: yup, that's cool, it'll take a few days to actually populate the archive anyway) [05:56] <elmo> Keybuk: done to /home/james/ [05:56] <Keybuk> thanks [05:56] <Keybuk> that's it I think :) [06:07] <bradb> kiko: btw, I updated the malone specifications (in some cases made small content changes, in other cases status changes). it's just up to BjornT now to update the status of the specs he's worked on. [06:13] <ddaa> kiko: sent my outsanting registry issues to you, mpt and the launchpad mailing list. [06:28] <sabdfl> we really need to decide if lp:url is in, or out [06:32] <BjornT_> bradb, kiko: i've updated the specs i could find, and filed some bugs for some small todos. [06:32] <bradb> thanks [06:42] <BjornT_> sabdfl: what is lp:url used (or should be) for? [06:42] <sabdfl> BjornT_: a long time ago it was a neat idea - to help us produce a listing of all the pages and views we had defined [06:43] <sabdfl> now we have canonical_url, we could probably do it automatically [06:43] <sabdfl> i think we should can it [06:43] <sabdfl> spiv: ? [06:43] <BjornT_> yeah, i also think we should remove it [07:01] <Kinnison> can I tell our test runner to stop after the first error? [07:14] <kiko> thanks BjornT_ [07:30] <Kinnison> ciao guys [07:50] <sabdfl> pqm is wedged, it would seem [07:54] <sabdfl> salgado: can you unwedge pqm? [07:54] <sabdfl> lifeless: help ^^ [07:57] <elmo> killed nc [08:22] <sabdfl> thanks elmo [08:39] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Applied mpt's fix so the Unchanged statistics bar appears correctly (patch-2272: carlos.perello@canonical.com) [08:40] <carlos> wow [08:40] <carlos> pqm took a lot of time to do that merge... [08:42] <sabdfl> it got wedged [09:04] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] another go at preventing incomingmail.txt from failing. (patch-2273: bjorn.tillenius@canonical.com) [09:15] <bradb> BjornT-away: What's the difference between an IBrowserRequest and an IBrowserApplicationRequest? [09:33] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=spiv] implement fmt:approximateduration (patch-2274: brad.bollenbach@canonical.com) [09:34] <BjornT> bradb: i'm not sure really. zope.publisher could probably need some love to make it simpler and easier to understand... or at least some documentation [10:09] <bradb> BjornT: I followed up to your bugtask widget followup [10:12] <bradb> salgado: does +packages list both the upstreams and source packages with which a person is associated? [10:14] <bradb> salgado: i can't figure out anyway to discover that i'm related to Malone, starting from my personal page [10:16] <bradb> i stumbled onto this problem by trying to find out if David Sugar had registered GNU Telephony in LP. it didn't look so, but as a last-ditch effort, i thought i'd start from his person page and see what's what [10:23] <cprov> bradb: IIRC that lists only the source packages (by querying the maintainership table) [10:23] <bradb> that's what i'd expect [10:32] <kiko> bradb, there's a bug filed on that, ftr [10:32] <bradb> cool [10:42] <bradb> BjornT: will you have a chance to look at my followup tonight so that we can bulldoze the assignee widget into rocketfuel? [10:43] <BjornT> bradb: yes, you'll have mail in 5 minutes. one small issue left, resolve that and you can merge. [10:45] <bradb> BjornT: thanks [10:47] <BjornT> bradb: np. email sent.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.585170

2005-08-23-#kubuntu

[12:08] <yudi> test :) [12:11] <zAo^> pong ;) [12:11] <c0rrupt_> ping [12:11] <PieD> zAo^: but where is pong's brother ping ? [12:18] <c0rrupt_> how can i see if i have a registered version of nessusd [12:18] <c0rrupt_> is there a simple command? [12:18] <c0rrupt_> because i think i registered.. but then may have uninstalled [12:23] <pax> what do you mean you registered, adduser? [12:33] <yudi> why there is no root password question on kubuntu installation [12:33] <yudi> and right now... i don't know password of the root [12:33] <static> sudu su :) [12:33] <static> sudo [12:34] <yudi> ? [12:34] <yudi> ok thanks.. it's worked [12:34] <static> i think they did that so that we would USE root. hehe [12:34] <static> wouldn't [12:34] <static> * [12:34] <static> .me is having brain farts [12:34] <static> even [12:36] <pax> yudi: if you are confortable with having root account then enable it, sudo passwd root [12:37] <yudi> ok [12:37] <pax> sudo has a timer, good way to have some protection. [12:37] <static> i think it's a neat idea to not enable root access by default. [12:37] <yudi> i tried do this: rpm -ivh CodeWeavers.CrossOver.Office.Professional.v4.1.Linux.RPM [12:37] <yudi> but there is an error: error: read failed: Is a directory (21) [12:38] <pax> yudi: this is kubuntu not redhat mate, we use apt-get or use 'alien' with rpm if you insist [12:39] <pax> static: yes it is great idea, however some experience users coming from other distros just can't live without root account ;c) [12:39] <yudi> so, it would be like: apt-get install CodeWeavers.CrossOver.Office.Professional.v4.1.Linux.RPM ? [12:39] <pax> experienced* [12:39] <yudi> i'm not lol [12:40] <pax> yudi: oh boy you gotta do some reading =o) [12:40] <yudi> i guess so [12:40] <pax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto [12:41] <yudi> that's will be very usefull [12:42] <pax> yudi: in kubuntu world, we don't need to download a package and then install it, we do that in one simple steps, kubuntu has repositories [12:43] <pax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Repositories https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto [12:45] <yudi> those all new for me... need to learn again... [12:45] <static> i noticed that mplayers doesn't seem to be in my universal repository. are there other repositories that might have it? [12:45] <static> mplayer* [12:46] <pax> are you sure? [12:47] <pax> !info mplayer [12:47] <pax> !find mplayer [12:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'mplayer' (11 shown): mozilla-mplayer ;; mplayer-386 ;; mplayer-586 ;; mplayer-686 ;; mplayer-custom ;; mplayer-doc ;; mplayer-fonts ;; mplayer-k6 ;; mplayer-k7 ;; mplayer-nogui ;; xmms-xmmplayer. [12:48] <pax> it's in my repos too. [12:48] <static> hmm.. i guess i'm an idiot. i'll figure it out eventually. [12:49] <pax> static: here use my list http://ninux.net/files/sources [12:51] <static> i don't have any lines with "multiverse" in them. could that be the reason [12:51] <static> ? [12:51] <pax> yes, uncomment that [12:51] <pax> univer + multiverse [12:51] <pax> universe* [12:53] <static> yeah. now i see mplayer. cool. thanks! :) [12:54] <pax> np [12:59] <allee> anyone 'dare' to test digikam-0.7.4 hoary deb? (0.7.4 will be announced really soon ;) [01:00] <allee> plus point if you try with kde 3.4.0 and remove libimlib2-dev ;) [01:01] <c0rrupt_> lol [01:02] <pax> sure, I'll give a it shot, do you have spare batteries for my digikam? :c) [01:03] <allee> batteries no problem. Come and fetch them :) [01:03] <allee> digikam deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/digikam_0.7.4-0_i386.deb [01:03] <pax> allee: where to get it from, link? [01:03] <pax> oh k. [01:04] <allee> digikamimageplugins debs in work [01:04] <allee> pax: ping me if you have good/bad news. [Works for me (TM)] [01:04] <pax> thanks for your work, will do [01:14] <pax> allee: ping [01:14] <allee> pax pong [01:14] <pax> deps problem here on hoary [01:14] <pax> digikam depends on libkipi0 (>= 0.1.1); however: [01:14] <pax> Version of libkipi0 on system is 0.1-2. [01:15] <pax> and it wants libkexif1 (>= 0.2.1) [01:15] <allee> Ahh easy ;) wait ... [01:15] <pax> which is not there [01:15] <allee> You need: deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary ./ [01:15] <pax> I installed libkexifo to please it with no go [01:16] <allee> After digikam* is a bit tested I'll move them into this repo too [01:16] <pax> k, let me try again [01:17] <allee> then "deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary ./" will contain everything. [01:17] <satafterh> how do imake the font bigger in this program [01:17] <allee> satafterh: which prog? [01:18] <satafterh> gaim [01:18] <pax> still same deps problem [01:18] <pax> gaim is no kubuntu mate :c) have you tried #ubuntu [01:19] <c0rrupt_> i use gaim? [01:19] <pax> I use kopete :-) [01:19] <satafterh> i am using it in kubuntu [01:19] <satafterh> I am very very new to linux [01:20] <satafterh> what other program can i use? [01:20] <allee> pax: libkexif1 (0.2.1-1ubuntu1), libkipi0 (0.1.1-2ubuntu1) are there. Did you apt-get/aptitude update? [01:20] <pax> satafterh: prefs > Message text doesn't do it? [01:20] <pax> sure allee [01:20] <pax> Reading package lists... Done [01:20] <satafterh> the font is just very small [01:21] <satafterh> I must say I have tries many linux system in the last few week trying to get away from xp and kubuntu seems to be the best i have seen, for me anyway. hot off to who ever puts it out [01:22] <pax> allee: http://www.ninux.net/files/digikam [01:24] <jbasilio> satafterh: i agree. tried fedora, longtime mandrake user. kubuntu rules the roost because of simplicity, they don't try to overcomplicate things with customizations [01:24] <allee> pax: I've move very thing into the repo now. then apt-get will can figure out what to do. ... [01:24] <satafterh> i agree, I will be staying with kubuntu now that i have found it [01:24] <pax> allee: k. [01:25] <pax> allee: your temp repo or the official one? [01:25] <allee> pax: my official 'inoffical' one ;) [01:26] <pax> allee: still same thing after apt-get update check the log [01:27] <allee> pax: not updated. I'll ping when done [01:27] <pax> ah ok, misunderstood, sorry. [01:31] <satafterh> anyway kubuntu seems to be the best for a newbie like me and seems to best a great community, bye xp [01:31] <pax> satafterh: one sec [01:32] <pax> satafterh: you have gnome installed? [01:32] <satafterh> dont know?? i am very new to linux [01:32] <allee> pax: repo updated. Note: it will remove digikamimageplugins 0.7.*. I'm working on updated debs [01:32] <pax> ok, go to Control Center > GTK styles and Fonts [01:33] <pax> in GTK fonts, doest it say use my KDE fonts? [01:33] <satafterh> are you talking about my font problem [01:33] <pax> allee: ok. [01:33] <pax> satafterh: yes. [01:35] <satafterh> oh thanks but i tock someone advise here and am not using gaim, I am using k???????/ something, i can read it fine now thanks though [01:35] <pax> ok great :) [01:36] <satafterh> as i said i am very new to linux, about three weeks now, is everyone so friendy when someone needs help [01:37] <allee> satafterh: most of the time, when no trolls are around ;) [01:37] <pax> usually yes, unless people here are drunk, which only happens new year's eve [01:38] <satafterh> so is this a general chat channel or help channel? just trying to figure out the rules and whats alright to talk about in here [01:39] <pax> satafterh: help channel but haven't seen anyone getting upset when it gets offtopic sometimes [01:39] <satafterh> cool [01:41] <satafterh> one thing i have noticed is there is a big learning curve, have used that other os for years and got used to a certain way of doing things, this makes you think again [01:43] <satafterh> not alot of chatting here is there lol [01:43] <pax> yeah it'll take you few days to find where stuff is installed and the difference [01:44] <pax> yeah it's quiet, they are waiting for you and I to leave (j/k) :c) [01:44] <satafterh> to leaave?? why is that [01:44] <Firetech> why is the kmail entry in the K-menu hidden by default? [01:45] <pax> Firetech: updated to KDE 3.4.2 lately? [01:45] <allee> Firetech: Kontact is the prefered on ;) Alt-F2 kmail is your friend ;) [01:46] <Firetech> pax: not recently, I did it the day after the release... [01:46] <pax> Many people complained about stuff vanishing from their kmenu after the upgreade [01:46] <pax> Firetech: then just put it there with kmenuedit :) [01:46] <Firetech> I want to unhide it... changing NoDisplay to false in the desktop file doesn't help... [01:47] <Firetech> pax: It has been gone since 3.4.0 afaik, atleast since 3.4.1 [01:48] <pax> allee: I'm still trying to get digikam installed btw, keep getting the dep errors [01:49] <allee> pax: strange I updated another kubuntu 3.4.2 laptop and dist-upgrade installed digikam without problems. [01:49] <pax> I didnt have any ver of it installed [01:49] <satafterh> where can i find kmail? [01:49] <allee> pax: that's the output of: apt-get install digikam; apt-cache policy digikam libkexif{0,1} libkipi0 [01:50] <pax> weird [01:50] <allee> s/that's/what's/ [01:51] <pax> oh wait ... [01:51] <pax> Setting up digikam (0.7.4-0) ... done deal [01:51] <allee> pax: ta ta ;) [01:52] <pax> satafterh: from konsole or if it's not in your kmenu add it with kmenuedit [01:52] <pax> let me get the cam now [01:52] <allee> satafterh: are you runing KDE 3.4.0? [01:52] <satafterh> 3.4.2 [01:54] <satafterh> i dont see a kmenuedit?? rememeber i am very new to all this lol [01:55] <ilba7r> move to the kmenu with your moust then right click on it [01:56] <allee> anyone with hoary 3.4.0? [01:57] <pax> satafterh: in console type: kmenuedit or right click on Kmenu > Edit [01:57] <pax> ugh, I knew my batteries needed recharging [01:57] <satafterh> i am in there just trying to figure out the path i guess to kmail [01:58] <pax> should be /usr/bin/kmail [01:58] <ilba7r> satafterh just type which kmail [01:58] <ilba7r> you can do that with any exec [01:58] <allee> kmail is in PATH. Just use 'kmail'. no full path necessary [02:01] <satafterh> got it thanks [02:02] <mhz_libre> any known KDE app that can actually control IrDa laptop devies?? [02:02] <mhz_libre> devices [02:04] <mhz> by default, I see no IrD [02:04] <mhz> by default, I see no IrDA in Control Center [02:05] <luigino> hiya pple [02:06] <satafterh> if i upgrade the kernel do i need to reinstall nvidia driver?? sytem would not start after i upgraded unless i used the old xorg.conf i had befor installing video driver [02:06] <luigino> I'd like to know whats the name of the file in /etc/init.d that makes kubuntu starting the X at boot because I'd like to add an instruction for 915resolution setting? thanks :) [02:09] <allee> luigino: bootmish.sh (I've it at the end) [02:09] <luigino> ok thx :))) [02:10] <guest> my main account's kmenu isn't updating with programs gotten from apt-get and removed programs still remain. Ive noticed that the guest account's menu is uptodate. [02:10] <guest> update-menus works in the guest account but not in my main one [02:11] <luigino> allee.... I add it after or before the : exit 0 in that file? [02:12] <allee> luigino: before (of course ;) [02:12] <allee> luigino: good catch! [02:12] <luigino> thanks [02:12] <luigino> ah allee [02:13] <luigino> last question [02:13] <luigino> I'm installing also the DRI drivers of Intel 915G [02:13] <luigino> for you, where I shall point them to X path? /usr/X11R6 or /etc/X11? [02:15] <allee> luigino: where the old dri driver was (have not yet cared about dri, sorry) [02:16] <luigino> ok allee... [02:21] <allee> pax: digikamimageplugins uploaded. Please update and try [02:22] <allee> digikam(imageplugins)-doc next [02:23] <satafterh> any idea's on fixing audeo video sync isse's [02:23] <Firetech> Isn't it possible to order the IMAP boxes first in KMail? [02:27] <pax> allee: what's the exact name of the package please [02:27] <allee> pax: digikamimageplugins [02:28] <pax> k, I wish I had some fresh batteries, still recharging but everything looks good so far [02:29] <pax> Setting up digikamimageplugins (0.7.4-0) ... <- smoothly installed [02:29] <allee> pax: praise apt-get/aptitude (and soon adept) [02:30] <pax> weird package name tho hehe [02:30] <pax> allee: amen to that [02:30] <allee> lol [02:31] <pax> Oh this adds the 'My Albums' thingy nice [02:32] <pax> notice that this is the first time I use digikam, konqueror was always good to me in this area [02:33] <allee> Well, digikam can do a bit more than konqy with your pictures ;) [02:34] <pax> yeah I'm looking forward to some Kungfu images handeling [02:34] <allee> he, he [02:35] <pax> even comes with themes, fancy stuff :-) [02:35] <allee> pax: no mortal plans there yet. (But much better tag handling and searching in 0.8 tobe) [02:35] <pax> I was just looking for that 'search' option [02:43] <allee> pax: not yet [02:45] <allee> pax: feeling adventurous? digikamimageplugins-doc deb ready (25 MB! Languages: pt_br et nl pt sv it en) [02:46] <allee> one to go ... [02:46] <pax> 282kb/s not bad [02:47] <allee> :) [02:48] <pax> Setting up digikamimageplugins-doc (0.7.4-0) ... [02:52] <jdnewmil> I initially setup my Kubuntu to use dhcp... but I want it to use a static IP instead now. I fixed /etc/network/interfaces, but the boot process still seems to prefer dhcp, so I have to manually ifdown/ifup to get my static IP... where to look? [02:53] <pax> then restart networking [02:53] <pax> /etc/network/interfaces <- change the interface from dhcp to static [02:53] <pax> missed the first line there* [02:53] <jdnewmil> as I said, I did that [02:53] <jdnewmil> but when I reboot, it still uses dhcp [02:54] <pax> it switches it self back? [02:54] <jdnewmil> my changes to the file stick, but the startup process doesn't seem to pay attention [02:54] <pax> care to post your interfaces file somewhere [02:55] <jdnewmil> ok... one sec [02:56] <jdnewmil> http://home.comcast.net/~jdnewmil/linux/interfaces [03:17] <pax> jdnewmil: sorry mate, afk for aminute. add this at this end of the file: auto eth0 [03:18] <pax> restart networking and see how it goes [03:25] <allee> pax: digikam-doc deb ready (22.8MB, languages: da et en it nl pt_br pt sv) # heh, 4.96 MB/s here ;) [03:27] <allee> WAKE UP! Fresh from pbuilder. digikam 0.7.4 debs? Interested? Add to sources list: [03:27] <allee> deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary ./ [03:27] <allee> and: aptitude update; aptitude install digikam [03:33] <pax> allee: is that a new repo? [03:33] <pax> nevermind same one [03:36] <pax> Setting up digikam-doc (0.7.4-0) ... [03:42] <arcanistherogue> say guys, im having a problem running UT2004. I got it installed, but when i run the ut2004 file in /home/john/ut2004, it says "Extracting filename" where filename is the name of a map in the game, and it does this for everymap. when i get into the game, there are no gametypes to select, and no maps. how do i prevent this from happening? [03:51] <ms12> anyone know how to change nautilus default them. I run it under icewm thats why the question? [03:55] <allee> pax: I urgently need sleep now. Thx for testing [03:57] <flugh> good grief. if i 'apt-get remove amarok' it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop? that makes sense :) [03:58] <flugh> if i try to remove xmms, will it want to remove my kernel too? [04:02] <allee> flugh: that's an side effect of dependency handling. Often discused, there is no better solution yet [04:05] <flugh> does apt have a 'only this and no deps' option? [04:10] <lwizardl> hi [04:10] <lwizardl> i just installed kubuntu and have a few questions [04:11] <lwizardl> why doesn't it ask for root setup [04:15] <lwizardl> anyone ? [04:17] <lwizardl> is anyone there ? [04:30] <PurpleMotion> Hai, fsckers! [04:32] <mhz> Any of you guys know how to effectivly and harmlessly WIPE OUR Gnome desktop and leave only KDE on it? [04:33] <mhz> wipe our = wipe out [04:50] <lwizardl> hi [04:50] <lwizardl> can someone help me with a few things? [04:54] <milksteak> i can try [04:55] <lwizardl> i'm wanting to format my seconf hd and automount it [04:56] <lwizardl> i juat want it for storage space [04:56] <mhz> mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdX [04:56] <mhz> and then... [04:57] <lwizardl> any gui way [04:57] <mhz> mkdir /mnt/TheSecondHD [04:57] <mhz> mount /dev/hdX /mnt/TheSecondHD [04:58] <mhz> if what you want is 'automount' it... [04:58] <mhz> then... [04:58] <mhz> edit /etc/fstab [04:58] <mhz> and add a line like the others refering to /dev/hdaXY [04:59] <mhz> but set all to 'default' [04:59] <mhz> however, please be aware that only ROOT will be able to write to it (AFAIK) [04:59] <lwizardl> well i have the G media icon on my desktop [04:59] <mhz> ? [04:59] <lwizardl> *160G [05:00] <lwizardl> the 2nd hd is a wd 160gb [05:00] <mhz> but do you need users to write there? [05:00] <mhz> do you want users to have their /homes there? [05:00] <lwizardl> if i click it i get an error [05:01] <mhz> what error? [05:01] <lwizardl> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [05:01] <mhz> of course [05:01] <lwizardl> please check that the disk is entered correctly [05:01] <mhz> lwizardl: please read what I wrote some lines above [05:03] <mhz> [2005-08-17 22:57] <mhz> mkdir /mnt/TheSecondHD [05:03] <mhz> [2005-08-17 22:57] <mhz> mount /dev/hdX /mnt/TheSecondHD [05:03] <lwizardl> ok reading, no i don't want user homes there (i think) [05:03] <lwizardl> i do want the users to be able to write to them tho [05:03] <mhz> every device you want to interact with have to be assigned to a /dir [05:04] <mhz> ergo, mkdir /mnt/TheDevice will allow you to [05:04] <mhz> mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/TheDevice [05:06] <lwizardl> ow do i tell what the "thedevice" is called [05:06] <lwizardl> *how [05:06] <nxv_> hi, i want to create an kde applet. i started an kickerapplet project in kdevelop but kde doesn't offer it. i tried manualy to copy the files to the right location but i am stuck [05:12] <mhz> lwizardl: you define the name you want [05:12] <lwizardl> ok i did that and got an error [05:13] <lwizardl> mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/wd160g [05:13] <mhz> to actually make a directory with the tool 'mkdir', YOU MUST have admin privileges :) [05:13] <lwizardl> i'm su as root [05:14] <mhz> but did you create the /mnt/wd160g FIRST? [05:15] <mhz> and secondly... is the HDB1 already formated to be accepted by 'mount'? [05:15] <lwizardl> i don't think i did [05:15] <mhz> there you go! [05:15] <mhz> :D [05:15] <mhz> I clearly wrote 6 lines about it above [05:16] <lwizardl> mhz: that drive was partitioned by mandriva as reser (sp?) [05:16] <lwizardl> i cleared them mind repasting [05:16] <mhz> [2005-08-17 22:57] <mhz> mkdir /mnt/TheSecondHD [05:16] <mhz> [2005-08-17 22:57] <mhz> mount /dev/hdX /mnt/TheSecondHD [05:17] <mhz> lwizardl: wait [05:17] <lwizardl> k [05:17] <lwizardl> ? [05:17] <mhz> those 2 lines are about making dir and mounting [05:17] <mhz> BUT [05:18] <mhz> you won't mount a thing unless the device is previously formated to a Linux readable way [05:18] <mhz> have you formatted the HDB? [05:19] <lwizardl> not since mandrivia did today [05:19] <lwizardl> i was trying to use mandriva but the audio wouldn't work at all [05:19] <mhz> really? let's see. in a root terminal do: [05:19] <mhz> cfdisk /dev/hdb [05:19] <lwizardl> so i'm trying this again, and audio worked after default install [05:20] <mhz> and then, tell me if the the hdb1 is Linux [05:20] <PurpleMotion> ive never seen a hdb1 from windows, so i would imagine it's linux ;) [05:21] <lwizardl> says Primary Linux ReiserFS 160039.28 [05:21] <mhz> PurpleMotion: LOL [05:21] <mhz> lwizardl: ok [05:21] <PurpleMotion> you guys see my badass new desktop screenshot? [05:21] <mhz> so, the only 2 things you have to do are those 2 lines I pasted [05:21] <PurpleMotion> http://www.daede.com/2x3Desktop.jpg [05:22] <lwizardl> ok let me try [05:23] <lwizardl> no spaces correct? [05:24] <lwizardl> ok got error [05:24] <lwizardl> nm typo [05:24] <mhz> lwizardl: :) [05:25] <mhz> what error? [05:25] <lwizardl> i named it WD160G but 2nd line i had WDF160G [05:25] <lwizardl> must of hit both d & f at same time [05:29] <lwizardl> ok the hd2 has files on it that i don't want [05:30] <lwizardl> bin, etc, games, include, lib, local, sbin, share, src, x11r6, tmp [05:31] <mhz> then... again: format it all [05:31] <mhz> :) [05:31] <lwizardl> ok any gui way [05:31] <mhz> but to do that, you need to umount it [05:31] <mhz> umount /mnt/YourDevice [05:31] <mhz> umount /mnt/WD160G [05:32] <mhz> then, [05:32] <lwizardl> ok /dev/hdb1: not mounted [05:32] <mhz> mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 [05:32] <mhz> that will erase 100% [05:32] <mhz> and will make it EXT3 [05:32] <mhz> you can choose other, ofcourse [05:33] <root> hello [05:33] <mhz> once it finishes formating... mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/WD160G [05:33] <lwizardl> i just want a stable fs for videos, music, rars, isos [05:33] <root> iu have a problem [05:33] <mushroom> wow!root [05:33] <mhz> hello [05:33] <root> my gateway gone when i restart debian [05:34] <pax> root debian? [05:34] <mhz> root: are you by any chance logged to the web as root??? [05:34] <root> no [05:35] <lwizardl> mhz: ok did the format & mount and now it has a lost + found folder [05:35] <mhz> PurpleMotion: nice cool smokey grey! [05:35] <mhz> lwizardl: excellent [05:36] <HELP> hi [05:36] <PurpleMotion> tyvm [05:36] <mhz> lwizardl: see? not difficult but it takes a little to understand WHY we do it like that [05:37] <lwizardl> yeah [05:37] <mhz> PurpleMotion: how did you get it like that smokey grey (the car? I am no fan of cars) [05:37] <lwizardl> how do i format it as reiserfs [05:37] <mhz> mkfs.resiserfs [05:37] <mhz> mkfs.reiserfs [05:38] <HELP> hello i need to know how put a gateway in debian? [05:38] <mhz> lwizardl: press mkfs. and then hit the TAB key twice [05:38] <lwizardl> mhz: ok i had 3 caps in it [05:39] <mhz> HELP: gateway?? [05:39] <HELP> yes [05:39] <mhz> what are you trying to do? [05:39] <HELP> with route add when y restart i loss it and i have to put it again [05:40] <mhz> ahhhhh [05:40] <mhz> you mean, you need to set ethX to be static? [05:40] <HELP> that right [05:41] <mhz> ok, that is no difficult with command line but it's easier with GUI. What do you prefer? [05:41] <HELP> i put ip adress and it wokrs but when put the gateway and restart ... [05:41] <mhz> yes, that is temporal [05:42] <HELP> GUI [05:42] <mhz> HELP: I have never done it with GUI :D [05:42] <mhz> HELP, however... [05:42] <mhz> if you open a terminal... [05:43] <HELP> well ok the other way... is ok [05:43] <mhz> :D [05:43] <mhz> do this, as root or sudo: [05:43] <HELP> ok [05:43] <mhz> nano /etc/network/interfaces [05:43] <HELP> yes [05:43] <mhz> in that file, you save the interfaces you need [05:43] <satafterh> i have an amd cpu, is there any benifit to having k7 kernel installed? [05:44] <lwizardl> mhz: ok thanks and now it will auto mount that every reboot [05:44] <lwizardl> gui [05:44] <mhz> for this example, I'll set eth0 [05:44] <mhz> iface eth0 inet static [05:44] <mhz> address 192.168.0.3 [05:44] <mhz> netmask 255.255.255.0 [05:44] <mhz> gateway 192.168.0.1 [05:44] <HELP> ok ... i did it by guI [05:44] <mhz> booooooh [05:44] <HELP> on KDE [05:45] <mhz> tsktsktsktsk [05:45] <HELP> yes it a problem... jejej [05:45] <mhz> :) [05:45] <mhz> lwizardl: nop [05:45] <HELP> when KDE apply changes it delets the line [05:45] <mhz> to do that, you need to edit a file called fstab [05:45] <mhz> ahhh [05:46] <pax> HELP: GUI way would be: if you are using KDE, go to control center > internet & network > network setting > administrator mode > click your ethX > configure interface > make it static [05:46] <HELP> where's this file [05:46] <pax> if you are using Gnome, use network-admin [05:46] <mhz> HELP: /etc/network/interfaces [05:46] <mhz> thoreauputic: from Ubuntu??? [05:47] <PurpleMotion> mhz: dont go giving me any credit like that.. all i did to the background images was add some text, but you can use the blending option on the background section under appearance & themes [05:47] <thoreauputic> mhz: ? [05:48] <mhz> I was used to read you in #Ubuntu or one of the channels I usually visit [05:48] <HELP> PAX: how i put the administrator mode? [05:48] <thoreauputic> mhz: yes, i usually have a number of channels open or tabbed [05:49] <pax> help, it's at the bottom of that page, or in console type: kdesu kcontrol [05:49] <pax> and go there. [05:51] <mhz> .oO(hehehe, terminal was lot faster!) [05:51] <mhz> I WANT to erase GNOME of this thin laptop. Any safe way? [05:51] <pax> always is. [05:51] <mhz> :) [05:53] <PurpleMotion> hai, pax [05:53] <PurpleMotion> ltns [05:53] <HELP> pax: i type that command, nothing new appears [05:53] <pax> heya PurpleMotion :c) [05:54] <pax> HELP: what distro are you using? [05:54] <HELP> kubuntu [05:54] <pax> mhz removing ubuntu-desktop doesn't cut it? [05:55] <pax> HELP: kdesu kcontrol should bring up a window asking for your pass, you type in the pass and it will open Control Center as root [05:55] <pax> either that or simple click adminstrator mode on the page you were at [05:55] <HELP> i root [05:56] <pax> then simply kcontrol in console [05:56] <HELP> yes [05:57] <mhz> pax: you mean apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop ???? [05:57] <pax> am I confusing or are you confusing me. 'Administrator mode' on that will only show up if you are regular user not root. if you are root just make the your ethX static [05:58] <pax> mhz: something like that. doesn't remove gnome? [05:58] <mhz> HELP... or use my advice with the command line :) [05:58] <HELP> i configured in that way ... but in ROUTES <default gateways> i put my gateway.... and when apply changes that desapears!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [05:59] <mhz> pax: it may remove it. The Thing is that in my short experience... GNOME and KDE are very fan of dependencies [05:59] <pax> yes HELP go /etc/network/interfaces way, open the file find 'dhcp' replace it with 'static' save then [05:59] <HELP> mhz: yes did it and work fine [05:59] <pax> restart networking [05:59] <mhz> therefore, I wan to be sure before I proceed because RE-Installing from Linux on a Thin Laptop client is not fast [06:01] <pax> mhz: well yes, gnome could take some of your favorite apps with it, like firefox for exemple [06:01] <pax> but I don't think it will affect serious stuff like libs [06:01] <HELP> pax: for command line work fine, but when i change by KDE my configuration for default gateway disappear [06:01] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage - removing it won't remove gnome ( you should look at deborphan I think) [06:01] <HELP> my question is why disapears? [06:02] <pax> HELP: let me understand this right. you get it from interfaces and at reboot it resets it self to hdcp? [06:02] <thoreauputic> ah, and debfoster [06:03] <pax> there, thanks for clearing that up thoreauputic, it's new to me. [06:03] <thoreauputic> np :) [06:03] <mhz> thoreauputic: so, you mean, manually [06:03] <mhz> :) [06:04] <HELP> no, i have static IP and static gateway.. when i restart work fine, but when i configure by KDE...in the file interfaces the gateway desappears [06:05] <thoreauputic> mhz: as I understand it, deborphan will help you to remove packages more easily if you want to get rid of something with lots of dependencies like gnome etc [06:05] <pax> HELP: if it works fine, why do you have to reconfigure it from KDE control center? [06:07] <HELP> because I want to work to GUI and don't undertand why it don't work by KDE [06:07] <pax> of all the packages that start with deb, I like debsums :c) [06:09] <pax> HELP: if it's not broken dont fix it. and .. don't mind Kcontrol's 'interfaces configuartion' it's not perfect. [06:09] <lwizardl> hi [06:09] <pax> heya [06:11] <HELP> jjej ok thanks ...are you so nice [06:11] <HELP> i foloow your advice [06:11] <HELP> now i restart will be back later [06:11] <pax> I don't know if I'm nice, but thanks mate :c) [06:12] <pax> good luck. [06:12] <thoreauputic> pax: heh - just trying debsums [06:13] <pax> yeah, good tool ;-) [06:13] <thoreauputic> debsums -a is a nice way to use 50% cpu for a few minutes ;) [06:13] <thoreauputic> still trawling through /usr.... [06:14] <pax> should be done while you sleep [06:14] <thoreauputic> pax: heh - how long does it take on your box? Mine just finished [06:15] <pax> let's see ::starting:: [06:15] <pax> are you counting? go [06:15] <thoreauputic> :) [06:16] <pax> you got all oks? [06:16] <thoreauputic> pax: yes [06:17] <pax> should fire it along with chkrootkit at the same time :cp [06:18] <thoreauputic> interesting though - even though I saw only OKs, dbsums -l lists packages without md5sums - I guess it can only check the ones that have md5 [06:18] <pax> ok, mine done now. but I have tons of packages installed [06:18] <pax> yes it does thoreauputic [06:19] <pax> and if it's ubuntu's then they all should have md5 [06:19] <thoreauputic> wow - some pretty imporatant packages don't have checksums - rsync, python stuff... quite a list [06:19] <thoreauputic> *important [06:20] <thoreauputic> even linux-images... [06:20] <pax> hmmm, one word 'reinstall' [06:20] <pax> jes kidding :c) [06:20] <thoreauputic> pax: hahah - yeah I know [06:21] <thoreauputic> you know the MS "three Rs" of course ? [06:21] <pax> reboot reinstall and r...what [06:22] <thoreauputic> recheck, reboot, reinstall <--- all you need to be on the MS help desk *grin* [06:22] <thoreauputic> or redo, reboot, reinstall ;) [06:22] <pax> ah hehe [06:23] <pax> should be Refund [06:23] <thoreauputic> haha - yes that would be #4 I guess ;) [06:25] <hater2win> anybody know how to make terminal shortcuts? So that like if I type in azureus it will load azureus? [06:26] <HELP1> 4 [06:26] <pax> hater2win: alias [06:26] <hater2win> pax: no this is my real name... [06:26] <hater2win> pax: jk [06:26] <HELP1> hello i be back...... thanks pax works [06:26] <hater2win> pax: how do i use alias? [06:27] <pax> hater2win: man alias, if you want them permant check .bashrc there's a section about it [06:27] <pax> it says: # some more ls aliases [06:27] <pax> this what I have there: alias update='sudo apt-get update' [06:28] <HELP1> i have a new question... how i alter the order of the process at shut down [06:28] <pax> so I just type update, I'm lazy. [06:28] <hater2win> ty pax [06:28] <pax> np. [06:28] <hater2win> and good idea [06:29] <mhz> Any IrDA control tool for KDE??? [06:29] <mhz> also... Any BlueTooh control tool for KDE??? [06:32] <pax> apt-cache search bluetooth | grep kde returned nothing but kde-apps.org have something [06:43] <HELP1> hi anyone know how change de secuence of the process in de shutdown? [06:47] <HELP1> bye bye good loock [07:28] <PurpleMotion> Hai, nikkia! [07:30] <setite> hey where in kopete can i unblock people... [07:31] <thoreauputic> nikkia has quit (Excess Flood) <--- wonder what she did ? [07:33] <alakhia> hi, I want to install azureus (bittorrent client) but apt-get can't find it! [07:33] <alakhia> Anyone have any idea how I can do this? Thanks. [07:36] <alakhia> Anyone? [07:43] <alakhia> Hello? [07:48] <PurpleMotion> (echo)o..... [07:55] <setite> true mobile... the 3400+ is at 2.75ghz on water [08:25] <rayeh> Hi, I have just install kubuntu, and installed the nvidia drivers. When turning on the renderaccel option, the Xorg xserver will consistently freeze when opening applications such as kcontrol or konqueror (does not take keyboard input, or mouse clicks) [08:26] <rayeh> turning off renderaccel seems to have fixed it [08:26] <rayeh> has anyone else had this problem? [08:30] <Rayeh> looks to be a problem with xorg 6.8.2 [09:18] <PHZN`Away> Hey, does anyone know of any easter eggs in KDE? [09:20] <hussam> PHZN`Away: I know one in apt-get. type: apt-get moo [09:27] <paines> hi [09:29] <bjv> ok.. if i apt-get sbm.. will it itself to the first track on my disk? [09:30] <bjv> because that would suck. i just want to make a boot disk.. [09:30] <bjv> *install itself [09:32] <ilba7r> what is the command line to switch themes in ubuntu [09:33] <ilba7r> !themes switching [09:33] <ubotu> ilba7r: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! [10:06] <goldenfox> will gnome run without x window? [10:07] <nikkia> goldenfox: erm, no [10:07] <goldenfox> :) thenka [10:07] <goldenfox> :) thenks [10:43] <osfa> hi [10:43] <osfa> I wanted to report a bug in Kontact [10:43] <osfa> but the bug report wizard is broken [10:43] <osfa> (says kfmclient not present [10:43] <osfa> but that's not in synaptic) [10:43] <osfa> (obviously I'm using ubuntu vanilla rather than kubuntu, might be that it just won't work, dunno?) [10:44] <PieD> osfa: do you have konqueror installed ? [10:44] <osfa> PieD, ah! that could be it. No I don't [10:45] <PieD> /usr/bin/kfmclient belongs to the konqueror package here [10:45] <PieD> install the virtual package kubuntu-desktop [10:45] <PieD> it'll be better [10:47] <osfa> ah, ok. I would have thought it would install using preferred browser [10:47] <osfa> but then again, I'm on Gnome, and I can't really expect a KDE app to care about what Gnome thinks is my preferred browser [10:50] <ilba7r> any one using enlightenment [11:00] <pointwood> how do I get the taskbar shown again? it has somehow disappeared... [11:03] <ilba7r> try typing in a terminal kcontrol [11:03] <ilba7r> it will give you the control center for kde and from there you can reset your panel [11:04] <pointwood> thx [11:04] <ilba7r> ur welcomed [11:06] <paines> ilba7r, i used enlightenment for a few days. when i realized that i could not configure keyboard shortcuts i switched back to kde [11:06] <ilba7r> paines did you know how to change nautilus themes under enlightenment [11:07] <ilba7r> oh you used kde sorry for that [11:10] <paines> no idea. but you asked an hour back or so, how to change themes from the command line. you could call gtk-theme-switch / gtk-theme-switch2 and change there the theme [11:10] <nikkia> paines: for me, it wasn't that, you can configure the keyboard shortcuts, for me, it was the fact that the virtual desktop layout doesn't match with a way you can switch linearly between them with the keyboard shortcuts [11:10] <nikkia> paines: ie, a 2x2 screen layout is organised as [1a] [1b] \n[2a] [2b] you can define shortcuts to go a->b or 1->2 but not 1a->2b [11:14] <paines> nikkia, i see [11:14] <nikkia> it wouldn't matter so much now, but my old keyboard has a app back and app forward pair on the far left, that i mapped in KDE to switch back and forward thru v. desktops [11:15] <nikkia> with E, because i couldn't map keyboard shortcuts to go 1a,1b,2a,2b (and loop) there was no way to achieve that :/ [11:16] <dazjorz> Heya [11:16] <dazjorz> installation of WoW is going good till now... [11:16] <dazjorz> umm [11:16] <dazjorz> How do I get "Xrender " ? [11:16] <dazjorz> Cedega asks for it [11:18] <dazjorz> When I run oroborus & Cedega [11:19] <dazjorz> then, in the logs, Cedega asks for XRender [11:23] <dazjorz> umm [11:23] <dazjorz> hello ?/ [11:23] <dazjorz> ajj [11:24] <dazjorz> as normal, no answer today.... i'll come back later [11:28] <paines> dazjorz, try apt-get install libxrender1 [11:36] <dazjorz> paines: Already installed. [11:37] <paines> dazjorz, could you please paste the exact output [11:37] <[ITA] FollowTheMe> hi all :) [11:38] <paines> hi [11:38] <[ITA] MisterX> Well, I've got a problem :( [11:38] <[ITA] MisterX> I installed Enemy Territory [11:38] <[ITA] MisterX> and nvidia-glx libraries [11:39] <[ITA] MisterX> Well, when I write [11:39] <[ITA] MisterX> $ sudo et [11:39] <[ITA] MisterX> i get an error... [11:39] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, never execute apps especially games as root [11:40] <[ITA] MisterX> Damn! [11:40] <[ITA] MisterX> So, I'm trying to execute it as user [11:40] <dazjorz> paines: The exact output of ? [11:41] <paines> dazjorz, of the cedega xrender problem [11:41] <dazjorz> paines: Pastebin or here ? [11:41] <paines> pastebin [11:41] <dazjorz> paines: its a few lines, i'll do pastebin [11:41] <[ITA] MisterX> I can't run ET now. I'm writing a dvd. [11:41] <[ITA] MisterX> :( [11:41] <paines> ? [11:41] <paines> you can [11:41] <[ITA] MisterX> Will it crash? [11:41] <paines> i played quake 3 and wrtiten dvd several times [11:41] <paines> no [11:42] <nikkia> depends on the dvd-r :P [11:42] <nikkia> my old drive was as flakey as can be, even LOOKING at the screen could cause it to fail writing :/ [11:42] <[ITA] MisterX> good :) [11:42] <dazjorz> paines: i'm logging in on the server... [11:42] <paines> lol [11:42] <dazjorz> here it comes [11:43] <nikkia> my new drive seems pretty robust tho, but thats because i bought it knowing it has BurnFree, and i have never written a bad CD with my BurnFree CDRW drive [11:43] <[ITA] MisterX> I got the same error :( [11:43] <paines> my new drive should be able to burn cd's at 52x, but krb/cdrecord burns at 40x maximum [11:43] <paines> don't get it way [11:43] <[ITA] MisterX> Can I paste output? [11:43] <paines> anyway 40x ist fast [11:44] <nikkia> paines: you wouldn't get 48x unless you went over about 600MB anyway [11:44] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, when it's one line okay, otherwise please use pastebin [11:44] <paines> nikkia, really ? [11:44] <nikkia> paines: thats why i don't bother that my drives are both 48x, i only ever get about 50x at max speed [11:45] <nikkia> paines: yeah, thats how the speeds over 20-24x work, they're zoned [11:45] <dazjorz> paines: Pasting.... [11:45] <[ITA] MisterX> pastebin? [11:45] <[ITA] MisterX> What the hell is it? [11:45] <nikkia> paines: 32x reaches out to about 400-450MB, then its 40x for a hundred megs or so [11:45] <paines> nikkia, i see. thanks for info dude [11:45] <nikkia> stop calling me dude! [11:45] <dazjorz> paines: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1355 [11:45] <dazjorz> nikkia: OK, dude ;) [11:45] <paines> yeah, okay dude [11:46] <[ITA] MisterX> tnks :) [11:46] <dazjorz> a few days ago I called someone dude and he thought it was offensive [11:46] <nikkia> dazjorz: it is a tad more offensive to most women [11:47] <paines> the people have never enyojed the movie big lebowski [11:47] <dazjorz> nikkia:...!!!! is (s)he a women ?! :O........ [11:47] <[ITA] MisterX> What does "dude" means? [11:47] <nikkia> dazjorz: yes, 'Nicola' is usually a girls name in english speaking countries :P [11:48] <dazjorz> nikkia: Not you,... Christopher [11:48] <dazjorz> nikkia: he thought it was offensive [11:48] <dazjorz> nikkia, well, he... [11:48] <dazjorz> i'd better ask him sometimes [11:48] <dazjorz> ..him [11:48] <dazjorz> her? [11:48] <nikkia> dazjorz: some guys find it offensive too, but i was just saying, more women find it offensive [11:48] <dazjorz> ... [11:49] <dazjorz> haha ok dude :P [11:49] <dazjorz> why is it offensive then ? [11:49] <dazjorz> it sounds like 'bud, friend, buddy, mate' to me [11:49] <paines> nikkia, oh. didn't know that. then please apologize [11:49] <paines> i'm sorry [11:49] <nikkia> dazjorz: would you not mind if i call you missy then ? [11:49] <dazjorz> nikkia: haha, sure ;) [11:50] <dazjorz> Miss DaZjorz ;) [11:50] <[ITA] MisterX> Stange habits :) [11:50] <dazjorz> Dude Nikkia ;) [11:50] <dazjorz> haha [11:50] <dazjorz> paines: have you read the pastebin poste ? [11:50] <paines> dazjorz, i think that this xrender thing is just a warning doesn't produce the bug. i had it too. [11:51] <dazjorz> paines: I'll try to run this program on my own pc. [11:51] <dazjorz> paines: My own pc does have a graphical layout. [11:51] <paines> dazjorz, yes, i think that would be the best [11:53] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, pastebin.com paste your errro outputs there and give us the link [11:53] <[ITA] MisterX> I'm having a bad refresh rate :( [11:53] <[ITA] MisterX> Probably because k3b is writing :( [11:54] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, burning doesn't produce heavy cpu load, imho [11:54] <[ITA] MisterX> hmm and what about ram? [11:54] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, did you setup your gfx correctly. are other games or opengl apps running smooth and hardware rendered [11:56] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, you could run glxgears from a konsole, if you get more ten 400-500 fps, than it should be hardware acceleratecd [11:56] <[ITA] MisterX> I didn't configure gfx. In fact, ANY software opengl-based doesn't work :/ [12:07] <[ITA] MisterX> i've pastebinned =) [12:07] <[ITA] MisterX> is there anyone? [12:08] <hussam> What's the latest news on breezy? is it becoming stable? [12:08] <[ITA] MisterX> I heard nothing [12:08] <[ITA] MisterX> paines? [12:09] <[ITA] MisterX> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1356 [12:09] <[ITA] MisterX> That's ''my'' error :/ [12:10] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, well, no glx configured [12:10] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, you have to setup up opengl correctly to run opengl apps/games [12:11] <[ITA] MisterX> How can I do it? [12:11] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, you have an nvidia card ? [12:11] <dazjorz> heya again [12:11] <[ITA] MisterX> Yes, I've nVidia GeForce 6800 GT (AGP, not PCI-E) [12:11] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, oka [12:11] <paines> y [12:11] <dazjorz> dud.... guys [12:12] <dazjorz> and misses ;) [12:12] <dazjorz> hey umm [12:12] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf, replace driver "nv" with driver "nvidia" [12:12] <dazjorz> its not working again [12:12] <dazjorz> if I VNC into my server, I just see a grey screen [12:12] <dazjorz> with only a robot icon in it [12:12] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, then apt.get install linux-restricted-modules-your-kernel-version and apt-get install nvidia-glx [12:13] <paines> [ITA] MisterX, restart X, that should do it [12:13] <dazjorz> paines: first isn't needed [12:13] <dazjorz> NO no no [12:13] <dazjorz> He's trying to set up nvidia ? [12:13] <dazjorz> !nvidia [12:13] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [12:13] <dazjorz> he has to do other steps too [12:13] <dazjorz> like nvidia-glx-config enable [12:13] <dazjorz> etc. [12:14] <[ITA] MisterX> m? [12:14] <dazjorz> look at the link [12:14] <dazjorz> !nvidia [12:14] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [12:14] <paines> well, i do it always like decribed and it works perfectly [12:14] <paines> well, i do it always like I decribed it, and it works perfectly [12:14] <dazjorz> ah well [12:14] <dazjorz> paines [12:14] <dazjorz> if you don't do the nvidia-glx-config enable [12:14] <dazjorz> then it won't even start itself [12:15] <dazjorz> paines: oroborus is okay for X ? [12:15] <paines> dazjorz, i don't know oroborus [12:16] <dazjorz> k [12:16] <dazjorz> try man oroborus [12:16] <[ITA] MisterX> anyway [12:16] <[ITA] MisterX> when I write nvidia-glx-config enable [12:17] <[ITA] MisterX> it says that I must edit xorg.conf from "nv" to "nvidia" [12:17] <dazjorz> uhh [12:17] <dazjorz> try !nvidia [12:17] <dazjorz> !nvidia [12:17] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 [12:17] <[ITA] MisterX> 'cause he hasn't rights (chmod i suppose) [12:18] <dazjorz> hey umm [12:18] <dazjorz> no no [12:18] <dazjorz> you have done it in root huh ? [12:18] <[ITA] MisterX> sure [12:18] <dazjorz> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx [12:18] <dazjorz> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable [12:18] <[ITA] MisterX> exactly [12:19] <[ITA] MisterX> anyway, i've manually edited it... [12:19] <[ITA] MisterX> must i reboot the system? [12:20] <dazjorz> log out, then press ALT+CTRL+BACKSPACE [12:20] <dazjorz> it'll restart X-Windows [12:20] <dazjorz> that's enough [12:20] <dazjorz> you should see an NVIDIA logo then [12:20] <[ITA] MisterX> ok [12:23] <[ITA] MisterX> THATS AWESOME! [12:23] <[ITA] MisterX> IT WORKS! [12:24] <[ITA] MisterX> Well, thanks a lot =) [12:29] <hussam> I modified some Nvidia driver parameters in xorg.conf ( I did sudo kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf , edited and svaed ). How do I restart X , unload nvidia driver and reload it. [12:30] <hussam> if I do sudo shutdown now [12:30] <hussam> then rmmod nvidia and modprobe nvidia, then restart kdm , will I still need to reboot the computer? [12:31] <PieD> "sudo shutdown now" will shutdown your computer ... [12:31] <[ITA] MisterX> but [12:31] <hussam> no it just exits X [12:31] <hussam> PieD: one sec, I'll try it [12:32] <PieD> ...... [12:35] <hussam> PieD: I did sudo shutdown now ( this exited x ), then rmmod nvidia and modprobe nvidia and I started kdm [12:36] <PieD> this only exited X ? [12:36] <hussam> yes [12:36] <hussam> does this mean my xorg.conf modifications worked or should I still reboot? [12:37] <hussam> and do I need to reboot everytime I edit xorg.conf or is it enough to exit and start x again? [12:37] <PieD> yes, it worked [12:37] <dazjorz> hey umm [12:37] <PieD> you only have to restart X for each xorg.conf change [12:37] <dazjorz> anyone has ever got the WoW server to work ? [12:38] <hussam> PieD: ok thank you. [12:40] <dazjorz> How do I run a terminal by command ? [12:40] <dazjorz> i mean [12:40] <dazjorz> like, start an X-server and make it start a terminal automatically that runs the commands.... [12:40] <dazjorz> like the command 'start' in Windows [12:40] <PieD> from a desktop icon for instance ? [12:40] <dazjorz> no, automatically at start [12:40] <dazjorz> like here [12:41] <dazjorz> deskmenu & cedega ~/.transgaming/c_drive/wowserver/TrayWoWemu.exe [12:41] <PieD> ?? [12:41] <dazjorz> deskmenu starts a small x server [12:41] <dazjorz> and runs the command behind the & [12:41] <dazjorz> i want to make that something like this [12:41] <PieD> I don't know that thing [12:41] <dazjorz> i want to make it something like [12:41] <dazjorz> deskmenu & terminal "cedega ~/.transgaming/c_drive/wowserver/TrayWoWemu.exe" [12:42] <dazjorz> xterm... [12:44] <dazjorz> oooooooo wait [12:44] <dazjorz> I think I know the problem....!! [12:48] <dazjorz> Ok ok [12:48] <dazjorz> Now I can run an application [12:48] <dazjorz> I can run xterm [12:48] <nikkia> dazjorz: you could create a .desktop that runs konsole with a specifiedd command, and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart [12:48] <dazjorz> but when I run Cedega in Xterm [12:48] <dazjorz> nikkia: I'm not using KDE, it eats too much resources for my server [12:48] <dazjorz> nikkia: I'm using deskmenu [12:49] <nikkia> dazjorz: then it depends entirely upon which desktop environment you're using [12:49] <dazjorz> nikkia: Though I can completely run Cedega now [12:49] <dazjorz> only the XRender thingy [12:49] <nikkia> dazjorz: given that KDE is the desktop environment that kubuntu runs, you should expect that answers here will assume you're running KDE :) [12:50] <dazjorz> nikkia: I don't have kubuntu on the server! [12:50] <dazjorz> nikkia: I'm using deskmenu, as I said [12:50] <dazjorz> nikkia: Though, I've got KDE on my own computer. [12:52] <dazjorz> nikkia: I'm gonna try and see if X-Window itself works. How do I tell X-Window to auto-login and start a program? [12:52] <nikkia> dazjorz: see, this channel is #kubuntu, not #we_magically_know_what_distro_and_desktop_you're_using [12:53] <dazjorz> nikkia: Ubuntu and Deskman / IceWM [12:53] <nikkia> dazjorz: as i said, it depends on the desktop environment [12:53] <dazjorz> nikkia: On X-Window, how do I auto login [12:54] <nikkia> dazjorz: from xdm? you can't, afaik [12:54] <nikkia> kdm allows an auto-login, but its seriously not recommended, i do not believe xdm offers it though [12:55] <dazjorz> i'll try to start X-Window after I'm logged in [12:55] <dazjorz> it'll be logged in too [12:56] <nikkia> daz, you can run startx, and that *should* run .xinitrc in your home directory, where you could put an xterm -e ... command [12:56] <nikkia> but the *dm login managers ignore .xinitrc [12:57] <[ITA] MisterX> I'm turning off master power [12:57] <[ITA] MisterX> see ya later :) [12:57] <dazjorz> nikkia: there is also a .icewmrc i though [12:57] <dazjorz> +T [12:58] <nikkia> dazjorz: perhaps, i have no idea, you'd be better off asking in a channel devoted to icewm/deskman [12:58] <dazjorz> well thanks for your help though [12:59] <dazjorz> :) [01:08] <dazjorz> still lots of unhandled exceptions [01:11] <dazjorz> ajj, how do I reset resolution ? [01:15] <dazjorz> and how do I get X-Window to automatically choose IceWM as session manager [01:15] <dazjorz> And, how do I get X-Window to automatically load something when it's finished [01:16] <paines> dazjorz, what do you mean by finished [01:16] <dazjorz> loading is finished [01:16] <paines> ah [01:16] <dazjorz> WTF !!! [01:16] <dazjorz> WTF !!! [01:16] <dazjorz> WTF !!! [01:16] <dazjorz> WTF !!! [01:16] <dazjorz> WTF !!! [01:16] <dazjorz> WTF !!! [01:16] <dazjorz> WTF !!! [01:16] <dazjorz> WTF !!! [01:16] <paines> set up a .xinitrc [01:16] <dazjorz> WTF !!! [01:16] <dazjorz> etc [01:16] <dazjorz> OMG [01:16] <dazjorz> OMG [01:16] <dazjorz> OMG [01:16] <dazjorz> OMG [01:16] <jpatrick> stop that [01:16] <dazjorz> OMG [01:17] <dazjorz> OMG [01:17] <dazjorz> guess what.... IT JUST .. [01:17] <dazjorz> "Welcome to World of Warcraft" [01:17] <dazjorz> "Loading..." [01:17] <jpatrick> killall dazjorz [01:17] <Mustafa^^> :) [01:17] <jpatrick> that did it [01:17] <Mustafa^^> lol [01:17] <Mustafa^^> Bye dazjorz [01:17] <Mustafa^^> :)) [01:17] <Mustafa^^> lol [01:17] <dazjorz> ^^ [01:17] <paines> ups, wrong shortcut [01:18] <dazjorz> sorry, jpatrick, I was very very happy [01:18] <dazjorz> hey umm [01:18] <paines> WoW ? [01:18] <dazjorz> :) [01:18] <dazjorz> Yes it works [01:18] <jpatrick> ;) [01:18] <dazjorz> how do I reset resolution ? [01:18] <dazjorz> cuz now i have a small screen and still the big resolution [01:18] <dazjorz> i gotta use my mouse to navigate the screen...:S [01:18] <Mustafa^^> You cannot reset resolution :) [01:18] <dazjorz> i'll reset X the [01:18] <dazjorz> then* [01:20] <thoreauputic> !resolution [01:20] <ubotu> I heard resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [01:21] <dazjorz> heya [01:21] <dazjorz> it works now :) [01:21] <dazjorz> now just World of Warcraft on my own pc... [01:22] <jpatrick> you missed this: [01:22] <jpatrick> !resolution [01:22] <ubotu> hmm... resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [01:22] <dazjorz> i'll get the patch [01:22] <dazjorz> haha, nvm, i restarted whole x [01:23] <dazjorz> hmm, where do i get the WoW patch [01:24] <Mustafa^^> Is WoW working on Kubuntu? [01:25] <Mustafa^^> :( [01:26] <PieD> Mustafa^^: using cedega or wine ? [01:26] <Mustafa^^> :) [01:26] <Mustafa^^> no [01:26] <PieD> I don't use such proprietary softwares, so I can't tell you [01:31] <Almindor> is there a page where I can see ALL packages from ALL repositories? [01:31] <Almindor> search would be prefferd [01:31] <PieD> there are far too much repositories and packages available [01:32] <Almindor> that's a bit sad for a would-be packager.. [01:32] <Almindor> I want to add a few packages I know which are in debian [01:32] <Almindor> I want to know if ubuntu has them somewhere or not [01:38] <hussam> anybody here on breezy? [01:49] <zAo^> not anymore hussam [01:52] <MorphDK> Is there a way to make Kopete connect to MSN? It tells me the password is wrong.. (The server update some time ago?) [01:52] <zAo^> im on MSN right now [01:53] <zAo^> got the correct login name? (@hotmail or @bla) [01:54] <MorphDK> yes [01:56] <MorphDK> zAo^: what version of Kopete are you running? [01:58] <hussam> zAo^: can I ask you my question anyway? [02:00] <zAo^> sorry mate. I use 0.10.3 [02:00] <zAo^> hussam, why the negative talking? [02:00] <nikkia> zAo^: very odd, i'm running 0.10.2 and connect just fine [02:01] <zAo^> nikkia, you use KDE 3.4.1? [02:01] <nikkia> yes [02:02] <zAo^> ah :) I'm on 3.4.2; I think the 0.10.4 comes with KDE 3.4.2 [02:02] <zAo^> hussam, sorry, misunderstood. SHoot :) [02:02] <hussam> zAo^: I changed the sources.list and backed up the original one. I did sudo apt-get update and apt-get -d dist-upgrade but the following packages were held back: [02:03] <hussam> "freeglut3 freeglut3-dev libgle-dev libgle3 libgle3-dev libgmp3-dev libicu28-dev rss-glx tuxracer x-window-system-core xscreensaver-gl" [02:03] <zAo^> try: sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade [02:03] <nikkia> zAo^: the fact remains, if 0.10.2 has the new server protocol, 0.10.3 certainly should [02:03] <hussam> I didn't go ahead with the upgrade and I restored the original sources.list. I'm still on hoary. Any idea why this happned? Is it normal? [02:03] <zAo^> if not so: try tomorrow :) There's a dependency problem I think [02:04] <zAo^> nikkia, I presume so, yes :) [02:04] <zAo^> hussam, some packages are uploaded yet, I think. btw: I'd recommend that you stay @ hoary [02:05] <MorphDK> what's the name on the new release after hoary? [02:05] <zAo^> Breezy [02:05] <MorphDK> when I try to run e.g. Samba Configuration in Kcontrol, and click on "Administrator Mode", the border turns red, but nothing happens.. It doesn't ask for a password.. why? [02:05] <zAo^> Breezy Badger to be precise [02:05] <hussam> zAo^: I will stay on hoary, I just wanted to test if it is upgradable. That's why I used -d with dist-upgrade [02:06] <zAo^> hussam, Good thinking. I got back to hoary after 4 weeks of testing [02:06] <hussam> zAo^: but it doesn't mention my problems here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20050818/report.html could it be something specific to my system? [02:07] <zAo^> MorphDK, there are some problems with sudo && kcontrol. Do a "sudo kcontrol" from terminal [02:07] <MorphDK> okay.. no permanent solution? [02:07] <zAo^> MorphDK, update to 3.4.2 [02:08] <zAo^> NON-official! [02:08] <zAo^> sorry, afk for about 10 - 15 mins [02:09] <nikkia> zAo^: NO [02:09] <nikkia> sudo kcontrol is a very very very very very bad suggestion [02:09] <nikkia> the correct way to 'sudo' kcontrol is using kdesu [02:10] <nikkia> zAo^: running sudo on ANY KDE app is likely to end up with bits of your kde runtime directory /tmp/kde-$USER containing files that the user cannot use, thus necessitating a restart of KDE along with either sudo rm -R /tmp/kde-$USER or reboot [02:10] <Octave_Octet> Hi. I am going to install a kubuntu hoary, and I heard about issues with ipod (fat32) and kernels older than 2.6.12. Do you know about it ? [02:20] <Poromies> i have no clue about that, but you can get 2.6.12 kernel in hoary by updating it from breezy repos [02:21] <Poromies> sounds complicated but its actualy quite easy [02:22] <Octave_Octet> Poromies: Won't it break various dependencies ? [02:22] <Poromies> nopes, or atleast i havent stumbled on any [02:22] <Poromies> :) [02:23] <Poromies> been using breezy kernels for few months now, coz my lappy wont work properly with hoary kernelversions [02:23] <Octave_Octet> Ok. it's not clear but maybe hoary kernel has already backported what I want. I'll try without and if I need it I'll do that. Need first to get hold of the iPod to make tests [02:24] <Poromies> three weeks back, i think, 2.6.12-8 restricted-modules and kernel-headers were also put to breezy repos, so you can get 3d and wifi to work also \o/ [02:25] <nikkia> Octave_Octet: i'm not sure what those 'issues' are, my ipods work fine with 2.6.10 [02:25] <nikkia> worked fine, rather [02:25] <Octave_Octet> nikkia: fat or hfs ? [02:25] <nikkia> i'm on 2.6.12.3 right now, but they didn't have any problems on 2.6.10 [02:25] <nikkia> Octave_Octet: fat of course [02:25] <Octave_Octet> nikkia: Nice to know [02:25] <Octave_Octet> I am using currently Debian 2.6.11 on this computer and it did not work [02:26] <Octave_Octet> kubuntu kernel must have backported the patch. Good to know [02:26] <nikkia> Octave_Octet: to be honest, i'd be more tempted to suspect a build problem with debian's kernel [02:27] <nikkia> Octave_Octet: there are a LOT of outstanding issues with 'stuff broken, but only in debian' atm [02:27] <nikkia> Octave_Octet: for example, their compiler is producing bad code when compiling LADSPA plugins [02:27] <Octave_Octet> nikkia: I do not think. If you google you find a lot of issues with ipod in fat32 with a lot of distros including rpm-based distros [02:28] <nikkia> Octave_Octet: i have had no problems with my ipod, going back as far as 2.6.6 on generic kernel builds [02:28] <PieD> beware of the ipod "generation" [02:28] <Octave_Octet> Well. Anyway, I'll see tomorrow when I face the kubuntu computer and the iPod [02:28] <PieD> it may affect its behaviour [02:29] <nikkia> pied, the only issue there, that i'm aware of, is the iPod Photo isn't fully supported by gtkpod, because its database format is different [02:30] <nikkia> PieD: i've never heard of any issues re: the fat32 format on different ipods [02:30] <PieD> nikkia: I don't know, I only say that maybe the generation will affect, but I don't own an ipod [02:31] <Octave_Octet> Thanks for the infos [02:31] <Octave_Octet> Bye [02:31] <PieD> (I listen enough music with amaroK : my python script says me I already listened to 1553 hours, 33 minutes in amaroK (since october 2004) :) [02:31] <PieD> (64 days, yes) [02:32] <PieD> (and 1213 hours with only one artist) [02:32] <PieD> if somebody want that script ... [02:40] <MojoVirtual> hello all [02:40] <marc1> hello, i got some problems with my monitor, i want to increase the refresh rate, but i dont know how to do that in xorg.. [02:41] <MojoVirtual> marc1: I believe the setting is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [02:41] <marc1> yeah, i know, but theres no exact entry about refresh rate only something like this: [02:41] <marc1> HorizSync 28-49 [02:41] <marc1> VertRefresh 43-72 [02:43] <hyperactivecrond> good mornin all [02:45] <nikkia> pied, why bother with a script like that when (if) audioscrobbler does the same job, and has native support in amarok ? :) [02:46] <MojoVirtual> marc1: I believe you want to set your VertRefreshRate to the value you desire [02:46] <PieD> audioscrobbler doesn't handle all my amaroK database [02:46] <PieD> audioscrobbler isn't supported in amaroK since october 2004 [02:46] <MojoVirtual> marc1: of course, caution should be applied generously...;-) [02:46] <jpatrick> audioscrobbler works fine here :p [02:46] <nikkia> pied, umm, yes it was [02:46] <PieD> oops [02:47] <nikkia> pied, i was running audioscrobbler in amarok last july [02:47] <PieD> then I didn't use it ? [02:47] <PieD> I'm wrong in my dates :/ [02:48] <nikkia> and i was under the impression that AS creates entries for non-existing bands/albums, cos you always hear the mods complaining about having to join artists/albums as links every few weeks [02:48] <PieD> why does http://www.audioscrobbler.com/ redirect me to http://www.last.fm/ ?? [02:48] <jpatrick> because they changed it [02:48] <jpatrick> :p [02:48] <nikkia> the biggest problem i had with AS, is that it is down so often :/ [02:49] <nikkia> but as long as you only use one login per location, that isn't a big deal, it gets updated eventually [02:50] <PieD> AS says me "15433 tracks played from Renaud", while amaroK's database says me 18927 [02:51] <nikkia> pied, i dunno, there have been at least 3 times when they've tossed a few days worth of submissions [02:52] <MorphDK> Ehm.. zAo^ .. i screwed my KDE :D [02:53] <MorphDK> I got 3.4.1, but then i added som repos in sources.lst and upgraded.. Now I got KDE 3.4.0.... HOW? [02:56] <MorphDK> Anybody? [02:57] <MorphDK> How do I upgrade to 3.4.2+ [02:57] <MorphDK> s/+/? [02:58] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [02:58] <MorphDK> jpatrick: I alreade added that mirror [02:58] <MorphDK> already* [02:59] <MorphDK> that's why I wondered why I got 3.4.0 after an upgrade.. [02:59] <jpatrick> :/ [03:00] <MorphDK> weird, right? [03:00] <jpatrick> do: sudo apt-get upgrade [03:00] <MorphDK> But now my Kopete and the Admin mode in Kcontrol works again.. So i'm staying here until I discover how to ger 3.4.2 [03:01] <jpatrick> log out then log back in :/ [03:01] <MorphDK> oh.. it reaches the ftp mirrors right above the 3.4.2 mirror, but fails because of some public keys that I don [03:01] <MorphDK> that I don't have.. [03:01] <MorphDK> so it doesn't get the packages from the last mirror :) [03:02] <jpatrick> I just the kubuntu.org one :p [03:03] <casadio> #Highlighting: Inoltrato avviso# [03:03] <[ITA] MisterX> sorry ^^ [03:04] <MorphDK> nope.. no upgrades :( [03:04] <jpatrick> log out :/ [03:05] <MorphDK> hang on.. [03:06] <MorphDK> back [03:07] <MorphDK> still 3.4.0 :( [03:08] <MorphDK> apt-get upgrade should get KDE 3.4.2, right? [03:12] <nikkia> MorphDK: dunno, it might need dist-upgrade [03:12] <nikkia> depends on how the packages are done, i think [03:12] <MorphDK> GOT IT! [03:12] <MorphDK> /etc/apt/preferences.. the address was kubuntu.org, but i chose another mirror... DOH! :$ [03:13] <MorphDK> c ya later :D [03:24] <MorphDK> got it! :) [03:25] <jpatrick> :D [03:25] <MorphDK> but now the Kcontrol is gone from my menu :S [03:25] <jpatrick> Edit it then :p [03:25] <MorphDK> Where did it go? They moved it? [03:25] <jpatrick> It's just removed from the menu [03:25] <jpatrick> It's easy to put back [03:26] <MorphDK> how do I do that? [03:26] <jpatrick> Right-click. Edit menu.. [03:26] <MorphDK> found it ;) [03:27] <jpatrick> command: kcontrol [03:28] <jpatrick> or you could just use settings:/ [03:28] <MorphDK> yeah [03:29] <jpatrick> I think I read somewhere that Control Center was to be removed [03:29] <MorphDK> okay, s people would use settings:/ instead? [03:29] <MorphDK> s = so [03:30] <jpatrick> kcontrol3 , i think [03:31] <MorphDK> okay [03:47] <_basti> hi@all. i got a question: how can i install a wlan-pcmcia-card? in the control center i see the device but it's not active. there's a button to activate it, but i can't click on it... [03:47] <_jim> friggen eh! [03:48] <_jim> I supposedly installed Firefox from kynaptic but I can't see it anywhere. [03:48] <_jim> Help! [03:49] <_jim> How do I actually access it? [03:49] <_basti> when i click on system administration mode ("systemverwaltungs-modus" in german) the site network settings disappears and when i click on it one more time it's in normal mode again [03:49] <_basti> anyone out there who can help? [03:50] <jpatrick> _basti: Kmenu > Run Command > kdesu kcontrol [03:51] <_basti> thx. i'll try it [04:00] <dazjorz> Sorry dudes [04:00] <dazjorz> i'm really ashamed [04:00] <dazjorz> (I'm in windows now) [04:00] <dazjorz> I need to write some files to my server [04:01] <dazjorz> do you know a small SSH program for Windows ? [04:01] <dazjorz> oh no, i can use ftp [04:01] <dazjorz> nvm [04:01] <dazjorz> thanks :P [04:01] <jpatrick> :p [04:14] <tanghus> _jim: K=>Internet=>Web Browser (FireFox) [04:15] <jpatrick> tanghus: _jim left :p [04:16] <tanghus> ok - wasn't monitoring for a while [04:16] <jpatrick> otherwise I would of told him that ages ago [04:16] <tanghus> :-) [04:17] <jpatrick> :) [04:17] <tanghus> jpatrick: ur using konversation? [04:18] <jpatrick> yep [04:18] <tanghus> just noticed it - it's excellent [04:18] <tanghus> love the tabbed interface [04:19] <jpatrick> yeah :D [04:20] <tanghus> u know if there's a way to make it "say" if there's a msg for u? [04:20] <jpatrick> Settings > Configure Notifications [04:20] <tanghus> ok -thanx [04:22] <tanghus> great - all I needed was the flashing taskbar [04:24] <tanghus> can I get u to test it for me - e.g. write tanghus: something [04:24] <jpatrick> tanghus: why? [04:25] <tanghus> just to test - and its working :-) [04:25] <jpatrick> :) [04:27] <GNAM> uhm [04:27] <jpatrick> ... [04:27] <GNAM> I think all KDE programs are better that correspondenting GNOME programs [04:28] <jpatrick> okay [04:28] <GNAM> I'm using ubuntu, shall I pass to kubuntu [04:28] <GNAM> ? [04:28] <GNAM> i'm using ubuntu + kubuntu desktop [04:28] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [04:28] <GNAM> yes [04:28] <GNAM> ok [04:28] <GNAM> are you using kubuntu? [04:28] <jpatrick> yes [04:29] <jpatrick> You've installed kubuntu-desktop? [04:30] <jpatrick> :| [04:39] <dazjorz> hey umm [04:39] <nikkia> sadly, one i started 4 days ago, that has '2 days' by the estimated completion time :/ [04:39] <dazjorz> what's the command to see what ports are listening etc ? [04:39] <dazjorz> for example, i want to find the application that's listening to port 8080 [04:40] <nikkia> dazjorz: there are two ways of doing it [04:40] <dazjorz> both:P [04:40] <nikkia> 1) lsof lists ports opened by applications too [04:40] <nikkia> 2) netstat -a | grep 8080 [04:40] <nikkia> erm, netstat -ap | grep 8080, rather [04:40] <nikkia> both will need to run as root via sudo [04:41] <nikkia> actually, netstat -anp might be a better bet, since otherwise the port number will be shown symbolically if possible [04:42] <dazjorz> and how do I get the process number too [04:43] <nikkia> lsof will tell you that [04:43] <dazjorz> wooooooooooooooo [04:43] <dazjorz> thats a big list [04:43] <dazjorz> but [04:43] <jpatrick> it is indeed [04:44] <dazjorz> I want to see the process number of the port 8080 [04:44] <nikkia> daz, its there [04:44] <dazjorz> the process number of the program that uses port 8080 [04:44] <nikkia> its just insanely difficult to read by hand [04:44] <nikkia> personally, i'd advise finding the name of the process with netstat [04:45] <dazjorz> wineserver. [04:45] <nikkia> then using pidof name to find the process id [04:45] <dazjorz> and then killall wineserver ? [04:45] <dazjorz> but [04:45] <dazjorz> every time I do killall wineserver [04:45] <nikkia> well, if you know the name, you don't need to pidof, you can killall straight away [04:45] <dazjorz> and do netstat again [04:45] <dazjorz> then its still there :S [04:45] <nikkia> daz, try killall -9 wineserver [04:45] <dazjorz> Yee [04:45] <dazjorz> its away :) [04:46] <dazjorz> thanks man [04:46] <nikkia> no problem missy [04:46] <dazjorz> thanks dude :D [04:46] <dazjorz> ;) [04:47] <root> hi all [04:47] <jpatrick> hi [04:47] <nikkia> dazjorz: btw, an example of how lsof shows a listening port: [04:48] <chx> hi. My DNS lookups are painfully slow. I have a NAT'd Win98 box (I need something to check my webpages for filthy IE) and that flies. This is very irritating. Ideas? [04:48] <nikkia> httpd 28883 apache 3u IPv6 710864 TCP *:http (LISTEN) [04:48] <nikkia> chx, install a caching DNS server ? [04:49] <chx> nikkia: that's not a real solution, it's hiding the problem not to mention that I visit several sites and my browser seems to cache the frequent ones... [04:50] <nikkia> chx, the problem is probably beyond your control, so hiding it is probably all you can do [04:50] <dazjorz> anyone here ever used wowwow [04:50] <nikkia> in my experience, when DNS is painfully slow, its almost always either your connection being saturated, or your DNS provider being lousy [04:51] <chx> nikkia: but I have another machine on the very same line , NAT'd by this very same box just with another OS and that does not have a problem... [04:51] <nikkia> chx, you know why? [04:51] <nikkia> windows caches DNS :P [04:52] <nikkia> chx, i once had to deal with win98's cache when our mail host changed their IP unannounced [04:52] <chx> nikkia: OK I give up. Do you have an idea of a simple solution? [04:52] <nikkia> linux box saw the change instantly, win98 took until next reboot, mac box took 2 days for its cache to expire [04:53] <chx> nikkia: I experimented with maradns which is simple but incompatible somewhat [04:53] <nikkia> chx, install a caching DNS server/proxy on your NAT box [04:53] <nikkia> chx, maradns was a nightmare when i tried it [04:53] <chx> nikkia: I understand but which DNS server? [04:53] <chx> nikkia: I somewhat would not like bind9 *shudders* [04:53] <nikkia> chx, if you don't mind learning the config syntax (not too bad for a caching proxy), bind will be about your best choice [04:54] <chx> nikkia: about two years ago I had my fill with bind... [04:54] <chx> nikkia: but if there is no better :( [04:54] <nikkia> chx, its improved since then [04:55] <nikkia> chx, the configuration for a caching proxy isn't much to do anyway [04:55] <nikkia> chx, i understand your feelings about bind, really, but i've tried all of the DNS servers, and always end up back at bind, simply because 'it works, its a pain to configure, but once you're done, it works' [04:56] <nikkia> chx, and they DID make the configuration a lot simpler a couple of years ago [04:57] <chx> nikkia: well, my bind hate goes to back before the dawn of time. I started Linux in 1993... [04:58] <nikkia> chx, '92 here [04:58] <chx> so to speak b(l)ind hate [04:58] <nikkia> and yea, bind was really bad back then [04:59] <nikkia> chx, back in the early days, there were 2 things that made me cringe to think about installing... bind, and sendmail [04:59] <nikkia> thankfully, these days we have postfix, but i've yet to find any bind replacement to that calibre :/ [05:01] <nikkia> chx, as you say, maradns is nice and easy, but also as you say, its not quite compatible, i ran maradns for a few months (as a cache/local-dns-provider), but ended up ditching it when it 'didn't quite work right' [05:14] <matthew> no one around then? [05:17] <jpatrick> yep [05:19] <zAo^> :) [05:20] <_rolando> hi [05:20] <_stv> When one's installed kubuntu, what's the root password? ... I seem to have installed it without ever being asked for it. [05:20] <_rolando> where can i learn how to use kubuntu with the repositories? [05:21] <_rolando> _stv: same question here [05:22] <supernix> Hiya I forgot who it was that I was talking to the other day but I was curious which IDLE to use with Pythin [05:22] <supernix> Python* [05:24] <nikkia> supernix: that was probably me [05:24] <matthew> stv, sudo in front of a command makes it a root command [05:24] <supernix> nikkia: which IDLE should I use ? [05:24] <_stv> matthew: it still asks me for the _password_... [05:25] <nikkia> supernix: i don't use an IDE with python really, i use emacs/vi and the python command line (for testing ideas) [05:25] <supernix> I found a tutorial on learning Python but they only use examples of IDLE [05:25] <supernix> Hmmmmm I keep hearing about that emac not sure what it is exactly [05:25] <supernix> I installed Eric though [05:26] <supernix> Looks nice honestly but confusing as can be for this n00b [05:26] <nikkia> supernix: i suspect Boa is fairly straightforward [05:26] <supernix> hmmm what is boa [05:26] <nikkia> yet another Python IDE [05:27] <nikkia> http://boa-constructor.sf.net [05:27] <nikkia> it has some nice features, like UML and RAD stuff [05:28] <nikkia> only problem is, if its not in the repositories, it'll be a pain to get working, as it uses wxWindows, and thats never easy to get stuff working with :/ [05:29] <_rolando> do i have to edit some file in order to get new repositories? [05:29] <nikkia> supernix: however, you're in luck, it IS in the repostitories :) [05:29] <matthew> /etc/apt/sources.list is the file ronaldo [05:30] <supernix> great thanks nikkia [05:30] <_rolando> yes that what ive read matthew but id like to do it without editing any file [05:31] <nikkia> _rolando: you can add repositories without editing the file if you use synaptic [05:31] <supernix> Have you ever tried eric nikkia [05:31] <supernix> ? [05:31] <nikkia> supernix: perhaps, a long time ago [05:32] <nikkia> supernix: i've been using python a few years now, its hard to remember what i did and didn't try in the early days, but i've just used plain text editors as far as i remember [05:32] <supernix> I used kate to create that program you showed me [05:32] <nikkia> supernix: btw, i managed to convert some of my image processing scripts from python+PIL to ruby+Rmagick, they work great :) [05:33] <supernix> it was neat the kate had little brackets to collapse code and such [05:33] <carsten> moin [05:33] <nikkia> supernix: yeah, you can just as easily use kate for python programming [05:33] <supernix> LOL so how you liking ruby ? [05:33] <carsten> Big problem: I need a KDE-based Live-CD to impress my father who only knows KDE... What is the best kubuntu-CD for this? It has to stable but uptodate. [05:33] <supernix> this is the tutorial that I am trying to work on http://www.honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/node4.html [05:34] <nikkia> supernix: the only reason i like emacs, really, is because i can have a python interpreter window within the editor, and just copy code across to try it :) ... well, that and the fact that i've been using emacs for years and use it for everything i do programming-wise :) [05:34] <chx> nikkia: I have tried googling to no avail :( lots of configs for bind4 and bind8 but none found for bind9 :( [05:34] <_rolando> nikkia: with kubuntu is kynaptic, but theres no option to ADD repositories [05:34] <nikkia> supernix: its ok, a few annoyances - irb isn't quite as nice as python for interactive use... [05:34] <jpatrick> _rolando: edit it yourself :p [05:35] <nikkia> chx, check out the 'beyond linux from scratch' bind installation instructions, they install a caching + 127.0.0.* config for bind [05:35] <nikkia> chx, so their bind config might give you some hints [05:35] <supernix> nikkia: can you create programs with GUI in Python ? [05:35] <nikkia> _rolando: don't use kynaptic, use synaptic [05:35] <_rolando> jpatrick: every time i edit something i break it [05:35] <nikkia> supernix: yes [05:35] <_rolando> ill try with sypantic then ,thanx [05:35] <jpatrick> carsten: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [05:35] <supernix> kewl maybe if I learn to do it then I can write programs for the things I have been thinking about [05:35] <nikkia> supernix: there are several bindings, you can use Tk - which is the standard python GUI binding, Qt, Gnome, etc [05:36] <supernix> QT all the way :D it looks so much better in KDE [05:36] <nikkia> supernix: yeah, its a bit more complex for a noob tho [05:37] <nikkia> supernix: the Tk bindings for python are very easy, the Qt bindings require a bit of knowledge about how Qt works (signals, slots, etc) [05:37] <supernix> :( [05:37] <jpatrick> I use KDevelop3 for all my coding [05:37] <supernix> I always wanted to write programs [05:37] <nikkia> supernix: i'd suggest a) learn python first... b) learn a little bit of the concepts of GUI programming with the Tk binding... and finally, you should better understand Qt's concepts by that point [05:38] <jpatrick> I started off with C++ [05:38] <supernix> But I get so confused that I usually give up I have managed to learn to understand PHP enough to edit it a little [05:38] <nikkia> jpatrick: just yesterday i had to stop using eclipse for editing my files, the memory footprint of the UI was horrible, so i'm back to editing java in emacs, and using eclipse only to build the program :/ [05:38] <_rolando> first of all you have to learn how to program [05:38] <_rolando> pseudo language we call it here [05:38] <nikkia> _rolando: python is a great language for that [05:39] <_rolando> dont know python, but he has to learn the basics first [05:39] <nikkia> _rolando: the 2 main reasons being that it is very 'english', and that because its interpretable, you can just do something and instantly see the results [05:39] <supernix> where is a good place to learn the basics _rolando ? [05:39] <_rolando> is python similar to c? [05:39] <nikkia> _rolando: no [05:39] <_rolando> at the uni? [05:40] <nikkia> jpatrick: i started with BASIC and Z80 Asm, btw :) [05:40] <_rolando> ada here [05:40] <nikkia> _rolando: Ada's nice, but not enough decent compilers :/ [05:40] <nikkia> even GNAT has some major caveats [05:41] <nikkia> (altho i suspect they could drop the 'T' these days, it hasn't 'translated' for a long time :) [05:41] <_rolando> i must say i hate programming [05:41] <nikkia> i think DEC's Ada compiler was the best i've used [05:41] <_rolando> so dont listen to what i say :P [05:41] <jpatrick> nikkia: :O [05:42] <supernix> I only have one facination and that is the things I could develop if I were a programmer [05:42] <nikkia> supernix: so get learning :P [05:42] <jpatrick> I know a fair bit of C++ [05:42] <supernix> I asked what a good tutorial was nobody answered [05:42] <nikkia> supernix: the ones on python.org are sufficient [05:42] <supernix> oic ok [05:43] <nikkia> jpatrick: i personally believe *every* programmer should have at least one scriptable language under his/her belt [05:44] <nikkia> jpatrick: there are so many situations where you think 'hmmm, i could just drop a script evaluator in here and tinker with the settings' [05:44] <nikkia> jpatrick: python, ruby, lisp/scheme, etc, all make good embedded script environments within larger C/C++ projects [05:45] <jpatrick> great thanks nikkia [05:45] <nikkia> jpatrick, as for which is better, python or ruby, thats a hard one :) [05:45] <jpatrick> I thought about Pascal [05:46] <nikkia> the syntax is almost identical between them [05:46] <jpatrick> too outdated [05:46] <nikkia> except ruby doesn't need indentation to be precise [05:46] <jpatrick> which do you prefer? [05:46] <nikkia> (which of course, comes at the cost of ruby requiring blocks to be 'end'ed) [05:47] <nikkia> jpatrick: i've only been programming ruby for a few days, like it so far, but i've had to reach for the documentation a fair bit :) [05:47] <nikkia> and there have been a couple of times i've thought 'hmm, thats a bit of a pain' about how some of the standard classes are [05:48] <jpatrick> hmm.. [05:48] <nikkia> jpatrick: one thing i do really like, is that ruby steals a lot of concepts from smalltalk, so you have blocks [05:48] <jpatrick> what's the file extension for Ruby? [05:49] <nikkia> jpatrick: .rb [05:49] <jpatrick> does it need to be compiled? [05:50] <nikkia> jpatrick: an example of block usage in ruby: (1..10).each { |s| puts s } [05:50] <nikkia> jpatrick: no, its interpreted [05:50] <jpatrick> or just: ruby <filename> [05:50] <nikkia> jpatrick: ruby filename or you can use 'irb' which is the interactive version [05:50] <Tm_T> hi kids [05:51] <jpatrick> Kids... [05:51] <tanghus> python is interpreted to but compiles bytecode on first run [05:51] <supernix> let me tell you one thing that boa-contructor in KDE is UGLY for sure [05:51] <jpatrick> lol [05:51] <Fobmyxeer> Hi, is there a way to get amarok 1.3 without compiling it myself? [05:51] <jpatrick> apt-get install amarok [05:52] <tanghus> I'm been devoted to python for appr. 6 years so I'm pretty biased [05:52] <jpatrick> it's in backports [05:52] <nikkia> tanghus: thats not entirely true [05:52] <Tm_T> jpatrick: =) [05:52] <nikkia> tanghus: python compiles to bytecode the first time that you 'import' a module [05:52] <nikkia> tanghus: if you just run a .py file, it will not be compiled to bytecode [05:52] <tanghus> I stand corrected :-) [05:53] <morta> hi [05:53] <jpatrick> lo [05:53] <Fobmyxeer> jpatrick: Used kynaptic but it only shows 1.2.3 [05:53] <jpatrick> I prefer the command line [05:53] <nikkia> tanghus: i've often just done 'import my_program.py' and then hit ctrl-d, to force compile a .py to .pyc [05:54] <Tm_T> uh! [05:54] <tanghus> clever [05:54] <tanghus> jpatrick: in /etc/apt/sources.list add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main [05:54] <jpatrick> I have that :P [05:54] <jpatrick> and the KOffice one [05:54] <morta> I just used Ndiswrapper to include my wifi Driver and it worked out. But now I don't know how to activate the PCMCIA Card. I tries Kwifi but it doesn't recognize any Wifi cards. Need help! :-) [05:55] <tanghus> nikkia: PVR? [05:55] <nikkia> tanghus: personal video recorder, ie, TIVO-like [05:55] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/339953 [05:55] <jpatrick> amaroK 1.3 is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=303427&postcount=7 [05:55] <tanghus> morta:modprobe ndiswrapper [05:55] <Tm_T> strange [05:55] <tanghus> nikkia: cool! [05:55] <morta> modprobe? [05:56] <tanghus> as root [05:56] <tanghus> modprobe tests i a module is already loaded and then loads it if needed [05:56] <morta> any parameters needed for modprobe ? [05:57] <Tm_T> nikkia: check my paste, have you seen such before? [05:57] <tanghus> not AFAIK [05:57] <nikkia> morta, depends on the module [05:57] <nikkia> use modinfo to find out [05:58] <nikkia> tm_t, yes, i have seen such before [05:58] <tanghus> morta: u should be able to just add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules but it didn't work for me [05:58] <Tm_T> nikkia: uh, and solution? [05:58] <nikkia> tm_t, it means that a package is referenced as a dependancy, but doesn't exist [05:58] <Fobmyxeer> jpatrick: thanks [05:59] <Tm_T> nikkia: yeah, but in this case, I don't like it :/ [05:59] <nikkia> tm_t, i've usually seen it when the package with the dep. is new, and the dep hasn't been added to the repository yet [05:59] <Tm_T> clean ubuntu installation, [05:59] <nikkia> tm_t, so usually, just waiting a few hours and it appears [06:00] <Tm_T> nikkia: uhm, it supposed to work a weeks ago =) [06:00] <morta> Error iserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules...) Operation not permitted [06:00] <nikkia> tm_t, use aptitude and check if kdepim is there but marked as not-installable for some reason [06:00] <Tm_T> nikkia: basic repos with KDE 3.4.2 source from topic [06:00] <tanghus> morta: do it as root [06:00] <tanghus> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper [06:01] <morta> jep [06:01] <morta> i used -c for verbose [06:01] <morta> ok he did it [06:01] <tanghus> morta: still no good? [06:01] <morta> nope [06:01] <morta> KWifi shows not conneted and a symbol with a PCMCIA card with ? [06:02] <tanghus> hmm - sure u configured ndiswrapper correctly [06:02] <morta> ehm no [06:02] <morta> i just typed in ndiswrapper -i Gplus.inf [06:02] <morta> and -l to list [06:02] <tanghus> morta: try sudo iwlist <interface> scan [06:03] <nikkia> worst feature in Gtk: the auto adjusting menus [06:03] <nikkia> i hate having a gimp window about mid screen, but one of the menus being too long for the menu to drop down, so it drops up, and then you lose your whole menu focus and end up having to go back into the menus again [06:04] <bretzel> Hi there -- I really need help: I have the wrong libcvsservice0 - I need 3.4.2 version Where to get it ? ( need it to properly install KDevelop 3.2.2 [06:04] <morta> for wlan0: interface doesn't support scanning: Resource temp. unavailable [06:04] <nikkia> (ok, Qt does the same thing... but its less annoying in Qt somehow) [06:04] <tanghus> morta: sudo iwconfig [06:04] <Tm_T> nikkia: found it: kdepim: Depends: kleopatra (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary2) but it is not going to be installed [06:04] <jpatrick> nikkia's right I can't decide between Python and Ruby :S [06:05] <nikkia> i see why, Qt doesn't lose the menu focus, it just warps the mouse to the first menu item [06:05] <morta> ok wlan0: IEEE 802.11g/b ... ESSID: ... Nickname: "acx100 c0.2.0pre8" [06:05] <morta> seems the card is workin [06:05] <bretzel> Sorry: I really need help: I have the wrong libcvsservice0 - I need 3.4.2 version Where to get it ? ( need it to properly install KDevelop 3.2.2 ) ... [06:05] <nikkia> jpatrick: one thing that impressed me, was Rmagick being better than PIL [06:06] <tanghus> morta: yep - check /etc/network/interfaces [06:06] <jpatrick> what being better than what... [06:06] <nikkia> jpatrick: Rmagick == ruby interface to the ImageMagick functions, PIL = Python Imaging Library [06:06] <nikkia> both are image processing/editing libraries [06:06] <jpatrick> ah right [06:07] <nikkia> jpatrick: Rmagick has a couple of major advantages [06:07] <nikkia> 1) way more functions, 2) an SVG implementation, so you can draw on top of your images using SVG [06:07] <nikkia> (PIL has drawing functions, but they're not SVG) [06:07] <morta> ... iface wlan0 inet dhcp [06:07] <morta> iface eth0 inet dhcp [06:08] <jpatrick> python looks easier [06:08] <morta> mapping hotplug /n script grep /n map eth0 [06:09] <Tm_T> nikkia: bah, as usual, user error ] ;= [06:09] <nikkia> Tm_T: heh [06:09] <Tm_T> nikkia: I forgot to enable universe [06:09] <nikkia> jpatrick: i dunno, blocks are damned useful [06:09] <nikkia> jpatrick: they almost make it worthwhile if ruby was 1000x harder to learn :) [06:10] <jpatrick> ruby it is [06:10] <jpatrick> tho I can't find a Hello World verison of it in it's online book [06:10] <nikkia> jpatrick, i mean, you can write a script to resize a whole directory of images in *4* lines of ruby/Rmagick :) [06:11] <nikkia> jpatrick: 'puts "Hello World"' [06:11] <jpatrick> :D ah [06:12] <nikkia> jpatrick: or, a more complex version... list = ["Hello", "World"] list.each {|i| puts i } [06:12] <nikkia> (actually the following would also work, and still be a one-liner: ["Hello", "World"] .each { |i| puts } [06:13] <nikkia> ack [06:13] <nikkia> 'puts i' that should be :) [06:13] <jpatrick> okay [06:17] <jpatrick> cool! [06:17] <bretzel> What's the joke with kubuntu hoary with KDE3.4.2 and kdesdk 3.4.2 uninstallable ???? [06:17] <jpatrick> Was there a joke? [06:17] <nikkia> jpatrick: what's so cool that it deserved a ! ? :) [06:18] <Tm_T> bretzel: hmm, something like with me? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/339953 [06:18] <bretzel> Ah! I finally get attention: Cannot find any kdesdk 3.4.2, libcvsservice0 for Kdevelop 3.2.2 [06:18] <Tm_T> :) [06:18] <bretzel> Tm_T: Same for you ? :-) [06:18] <jpatrick> one more thing nikkia how do I comment // things? [06:19] <nikkia> bretzel: Tm_T's problem was that he didn't enable universe on the 3.4.2 repos [06:19] <Tm_T> yup [06:19] <nikkia> jpatrick: standard shell comment char, # [06:19] <Tm_T> silly me [06:19] <Tm_T> I need more caffeine [06:19] <jpatrick> ah yeah :) [06:19] <bretzel> I did, but still cannot get kdesdk properly installed [06:19] <bretzel> wait... [06:19] <nikkia> jpatrick: most of the languages that can be run as shell scripts use it, python does too [06:19] <Tm_T> caffeine! [06:20] <Tm_T> yay [06:20] <nikkia> jpatrick: its the only way to fake out the system interpreter into running it via #!/usr/bin/env ruby :) [06:20] <Tm_T> coffee <3 [06:20] <jpatrick> :) [06:20] <jpatrick> thanks nikkia [06:21] <Tm_T> and I supposed to be admin [06:21] <Tm_T> bah [06:21] <jpatrick> Ruby needs a new icon... [06:22] <nikkia> jpatrick: can't say i've seen it [06:22] <jpatrick> maybe something red.. [06:22] <nikkia> i think python's is pretty horrific, tbh [06:22] <Tm_T> =) [06:22] <nikkia> the world's worst drawn snake :@ [06:23] <jpatrick> lol [06:25] <nikkia> jpatrick: can you screencap the icon for me ? [06:25] <jpatrick> ? [06:25] <nikkia> jpatrick: i'd like to see it, but have no icon defined for ruby here [06:25] <bretzel> hmmmm... Sorry My mistake, I had not added 3.4.2 repos. ... I just re-installed linux and thought I was still in the previous installation... [06:26] <jpatrick> I'm using Crystal Clear icon theme [06:26] <nikkia> jpatrick: and its not the generic 'source' icon ? [06:26] <nikkia> (ie, a sheet of paper, folded over, with indendations marked on the paper) [06:27] <jpatrick> It [06:27] <jpatrick> It's a piece of paper with holes [06:27] <nikkia> ah, the standard 'source' icon then [06:27] <jpatrick> and the letters SAC [06:28] <nikkia> there was a competition a while back to design a ruby icon, apparently, but i can't find the results [06:29] <nikkia> jpatrick: look at this: http://redhanded.hobix.com/redesign2005/roundTwo.html [06:30] <nikkia> jpatrick: IMO, thats a MUCH nicer looking ruby-lang.org page :) [06:30] <jpatrick> it is! [06:31] <nikkia> and that ruby icon would look great as a basis for the file icons :) [06:31] <jpatrick> none of my icon themes have a ruby file [06:32] <nikkia> jpatrick: me neither [06:32] <nikkia> i imagine one will get done, sooner or later [06:32] <jpatrick> it's displayed as plain text doc. [06:32] <nikkia> jpatrick: its 'source' here [06:32] <nikkia> which seems to be a generic fallback mimetype for source files [06:33] <jpatrick> for some it's plain doc [06:35] <nikkia> jpatrick: it has a standard mimetype in kde [06:35] <nikkia> application/x-ruby [06:36] <nikkia> someone just needs to do icons for it :P [06:38] <jpatrick> something like the C++ one [06:38] <jpatrick> darker red [06:38] <tobstar> howdy partners [06:38] <jpatrick> lo [06:38] <tobstar> where can i get libdvdcss to watch encrypted dvds? [06:40] <jpatrick> apt-get install libdvdvcss [06:40] <nikkia> Oooo! [06:40] <nikkia> .select :) [06:40] <jpatrick> or search for it in Kynaptic [06:40] <tobstar> E: Package libdvdcss has no installation candidate [06:40] <Tm_T> :/ [06:41] <tobstar> maybe i must add an apt source [06:41] <nikkia> jpatrick: (1..10).select { |x| (x%2) == 0 } [06:41] <jpatrick> nikkia: your second example for Hello World isn't working here :( [06:42] <jpatrick> syntax error [06:42] <nikkia> jpatrick: hmmm [06:42] <nikkia> irb(main):002:0> [ "Hello", "World" ] .each { |x| puts x } [06:42] <nikkia> Hello [06:42] <nikkia> World [06:42] <judax> tobstar: yes, you need to add repositories [06:43] <tobstar> some website says i need to go to /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/ and run install-css.sh [06:43] <tobstar> and that installs indeed libdvdcss ;-) [06:44] <nikkia> jpatrick: btw, you might want to make sure that you have 'gem' installed too, its sort of a ruby equivalent of CPAN [06:45] <jpatrick> okat [06:45] <jpatrick> okay* [06:47] <matthew> check this out guys: www.sendmefile.com [06:47] <matthew> might be useful [06:55] <jpatrick> C++ int = Ruby def ? [06:59] <Tm_T> o/ [07:00] <jpatrick> \o [07:01] <dazjorz> omg [07:01] <dazjorz> i still don't have the wow server working [07:01] <dazjorz> the first is working,... but its version is too late [07:01] <dazjorz> =_=" [07:14] <Tm_T> muhaha [07:14] <Tm_T> bye bye gnome ] ;= [07:17] <caller> Trying to get mondo working, I am running (amongst variations to try to get it working) this command: mondoarchive -Oc 48 -s 700m -d 1,0,0 -5 -l GRUB -f /dev/hda/ Anyone know what could be wrong with this? [07:19] <morta> does anyone know the kernelpath in Kubuntu ? I need it to setup a makefile [07:21] <Tm_T> hoh, after installing kubuntu-desktop, "apt-get install kde" finds whole lotta package =) [07:25] <GameCat> hiya [07:25] <dazjorz> hey [07:26] <GameCat> does anyone know how to stop the kubuntu login screen showing the name of the last user? [07:29] <DaSkreech> Don't login? :) [07:30] <SbCl3> where does irssi keep its log? [07:31] <roguejedix_> I don't have it, but maybe in ~/.irssi somewhere? [07:32] <caller> Does anyone know how to change the picture that appears behind the login manager? [07:32] <SbCl3> nope [07:35] <caller> :( [07:36] <maceow> I know that this is a much visited topic, but has anyone experienced plugging a Linksys WPC11 wireless card into a laptop and the power light coming on, staying on for about ten seconds and then tunring off? [07:38] <nikkia> maceow: not on that particular card, but i have on my ACX111 [07:38] <GameCat> roguejedix_: anything in ~ is no good - this is when no-one is logged in [07:38] <maceow> nikka: were you able to correct it? If so, how? [07:38] <nikkia> maceow: in my case, it was caused by a failure to upload firmware - caused by a 'bug' in the recent kernels that means that wlan uploading with the acx111 drivers compiled to use pcmcia 32bit mode fails [07:39] <nikkia> the fix is to compile the acx111 modules with 16bit pcmcia mode enabled [07:39] <nikkia> but, those are for the acx111, i have no idea if the WPC11 is ACX111 based, or if its the same issue [07:40] <maceow> nikkia: the Linksys uses the prism drivers, but maybe the same problem... [07:40] <nikkia> maceow: could be [07:40] <maceow> nikkia: thanks for the insight... [07:41] <nikkia> caller, the background screen for the KDM login is defined by the KDM theme used, either choose another theme, or modify the existing theme to change it [07:42] <caller> nikkia, thank you, where's the theme file? [07:42] <nikkia> caller: bear in mind, that is a gross oversimplification, because there are a couple of places where the background is set during the login process, so if you change it in the kdm theme, you probably want to change it to match in ksplash so that the background doesn't change after you hit enter, etc [07:43] <nikkia> caller: can't remember offhand, you need to follow the trail from /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc [07:43] <nikkia> it'll point you to the location of the theme, from there you can find the background image used [07:44] <nikkia> caller: i'm running LFS here, and ended up making my own kdm/ksplash themes based on the 'shuttle' kdm theme [07:45] <jpatrick> nikkia: I keep getting "Invalid char `\302' in expression" :s [07:45] <nikkia> jpatrick: stop typing that character then :P [07:45] <jpatrick> The character's: " [07:45] <caller> nikkia, KSplash themes don't have bgs thoguh [07:45] <caller> *though [07:46] <GameCat> aha! /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc - under [X-:*-Greeter] - PreselectUser=Previous [07:46] <nikkia> caller, yes, they do [07:46] <caller> nikkia, ...well...I made mine from scratch and I sure never made a background for it. [07:46] <Tm_T> SbCl3: autolog_path = ~/irclogs/$tag/$0.log etc [07:47] <nikkia> caller: you don't *need* one, its optional, but quite a few set it, and there are situations where the kde startup procedure will set the background to grey between kdm and the desktop being up and running, if ksplash doesn't set one [07:48] <jpatrick> I can't stop using " [07:48] <caller> I see [07:49] <nikkia> jpatrick: for some reason, you're sending a weird " that's somewhere else in the ISO-8859/UTF space [07:49] <nikkia> jpatrick: \302 certainly isn't the normal " character [07:49] <jpatrick> :-/ [07:50] <nikkia> jpatrick: in fact, i wonder if \302 is the UTF-8 prefix character [07:50] <nikkia> indeed, it is [07:51] <jpatrick> also says '\273' [07:51] <nikkia> jpatrick: i'm willing to bet that's the UTF-8 suffix [07:51] <nikkia> 0xC2 is the UTF-8 prefix, which just happens to be \302 :P [07:52] <GameCat> yup, that did it [07:52] <jpatrick> :-/ [07:52] <nikkia> jpatrick: i'm a little puzzled why your keymap is sending the UTF " instead of the plain ASCII " tho [07:52] <nikkia> jpatrick: that is NOT right behaviour, its going to mess up a LOT of languages and stuff [07:53] <nikkia> (arguements over why unicode defines two " characters are best directed at whoever defined unicode :) [07:54] <nikkia> jpatrick: wait, is this using irb, or using kate then saving as a .rb file ? [07:54] <jpatrick> how do I change it? [07:54] <jpatrick> KDevelop :p [07:54] <GameCat> So...to stop the display of previous usernames at login, edit the file /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc. Change the Values in the "[X-:*-Greeter] " section to [07:54] <GameCat> DefaultUser= [07:54] <GameCat> FocusPasswd=false [07:54] <GameCat> LoginMode=DefaultLocal [07:54] <GameCat> PreselectUser= [07:54] <GameCat> then just log out to see it working. Is anyone taking notes? :) [07:56] <nikkia> jpatrick: it looks like something weird about your kdevelop [07:56] <nikkia> jpatrick: i just created a .rb file here with a " in, in kdevelop, and got the proper ASCII " [07:57] <GameCat> right, I'm off to cook, bya all [07:57] <nikkia> jpatrick: what happens if you change the encoding in kdevelop to 'Western European (ISO-8859-1)' ? [07:59] <jpatrick> same thing [07:59] <nikkia> jpatrick: hmmm, keymap issue then, i suspect [07:59] <nikkia> jpatrick: what keymap are you using ? [08:00] <nikkia> german ? [08:00] <nikkia> evening apokryphos [08:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: indeed it is :D [08:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: and too damned hot :( [08:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: not ideal for football, but still played for nearly four hours :| [08:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: yikes, its 29C out there, for heaven's sake [08:01] <apokryphos> Around six o'clock news they said "it's gonna be like Autumn on the weekend" [08:01] <apokryphos> Heard the radio on the shop on the way home... "what a beautiful day it is! And not just today, it's going to stay like this for quite a few days..." [08:01] <jpatrick> Keymap = (us) [08:02] <nikkia> jpatrick: that is utterly bizarre [08:02] <nikkia> jpatrick, let me check a couple of things [08:03] <nikkia> aha [08:03] <nikkia> jpatrick: go to kcontrol... [08:04] <jpatrick> I'm there [08:04] <nikkia> jpatrick, and change your keyboard layout from "U.S. English (us)", to "U.S. English w/ISO9995-3 (en_US)" [08:04] <jpatrick> okay [08:04] <nikkia> jpatrick: there seems to be a snafu in 'us' that means it sends unicode " from the " key [08:05] <nikkia> i think its because kde is mostly UTF-8-ified, and certainly in kubuntu, but the 'us' keymap isn't [08:05] <jpatrick> right [08:05] <nikkia> the correct locale for a UTF-ified US is en_US [08:05] <nikkia> jpatrick: btw, you can tell the two apart quite easily [08:05] <nikkia> the unicode " has shorter ticks [08:06] <jpatrick> still isn't working [08:06] <nikkia> jpatrick: you'll need to delete the "s in the file and retype them [08:07] <nikkia> jpatrick, btw, did you have to press " twice to get the " before? [08:07] <nikkia> because thats how it went for me when i enabled the '(us)' keymap [08:07] <jpatrick> retyped them and... [08:07] <jpatrick> doesn't work [08:07] <nikkia> hmmmm [08:08] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/340035 [08:08] <Tm_T> :/ [08:09] <nikkia> jpatrick: the only thing i can think of, is that you need to change the layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart X [08:09] <caller> nikkia, do you know the best way to get the exact contents of this hard drive onto 19 identical NON-NETWORKED no-floppy machines? Fully bootable and workable exactly like this'ne? [08:09] <nikkia> caller, no, we've covered this before :P [08:09] <caller> nikkia, oh, sorry, didn't remember asking you [08:10] <nikkia> well, i assume it was you, its unlikely that that exact scenario would come up independantly two days in a row, i suspect [08:11] <jpatrick> "XkbLayout" "gb" [08:11] <ming> hola [08:11] <ming> hello [08:11] <caller> nikkia, considering Linux is built to do this, yet Ubuntu comes with no tools and won't support those made for it, I'm surprised there aren't 15 people in here at all times with that same q. [08:11] <nikkia> jpatrick: do y ou HAVE a UK keyboard then ? [08:11] <jpatrick> No [08:11] <nikkia> jpatrick, bizarre [08:12] <ming> anyone with an a ppc distro? [08:12] <nikkia> jpatrick, change it to us, restart X, then turn off KDE's keymap remapping in kcontrol [08:12] <nikkia> jpatrick: btw, how come you've never run into this issue before? [08:13] <ming> hello anyone with a MAC? [08:14] <nikkia> jpatrick: i mean, gcc certainly doesn't like unicode "s [08:14] <nikkia> test.c:5: error: stray '\194' in program [08:14] <jpatrick> I dunno [08:14] <nikkia> (although oddly, its complaining about the actual unicode, not the utf-8 prefix) [08:15] <jpatrick> I have to reboot? [08:15] <nikkia> jpatrick: no, just restart X [08:15] <jpatrick> how? [08:16] <nikkia> jpatrick, log out, then hit ctrl-alt-backspace [08:16] <jpatrick> ok [08:16] <nikkia> X should quit, then restart again automatically [08:16] <jpatrick> brb [08:18] <MovieTrailerMan> WHat ius the kdie icon set that comes with Kubuntu? [08:20] <MovieTrailerMan> WHAT KDE ICONSET DOES KUBUNTU USE? [08:20] <tenco_> hi [08:20] <DaSkreech> Yeah Shouting will get you an answer that much faster [08:21] <jpatrick> I think it worked [08:21] <tenco_> i have a problem with dlink dwl-g520 [08:21] <tenco_> ath%d: unable to attach hardware; HAL Status 13 [08:23] <nikkia> jpatrick: good :) [08:23] <nikkia> jpatrick: that was a very messed up configuration, but, i've seen it from kubuntu before :/ [08:23] <jpatrick> It didn't work [08:23] <nikkia> jpatrick: oh :/ [08:24] <nikkia> jpatrick: did you remember to disable keyboard maps in kcontrol ? [08:24] <jpatrick> yes [08:24] <nikkia> just out of interest, send a " here again [08:24] <jpatrick> " [08:25] <nikkia> that one is ok :/ [08:25] <nikkia> jpatrick: what happens if you use another kde editor to create a file just containing ", say kate, then save it, and run hexdump on it ? [08:25] <jpatrick> okay [08:25] <jpatrick> it also says: a[0] "ant" [08:26] <nikkia> hmm ? [08:26] <jpatrick> and there's this ^ pointing at the n [08:26] <nikkia> yeah, thats probably because once utf-8 gets involved, string positions get 'funny' [08:26] <nikkia> its probably REALLY pointing at the " [08:26] <jpatrick> it's under the 'n' [08:27] <nikkia> jpatrick: yes, but what i'm saying is, utf-8 adds in invisible characters [08:27] <jpatrick> oh [08:27] <nikkia> so the ^ is shifted from where it really is [08:27] <jpatrick> :/ [08:27] <nikkia> the >> is a bit worrisome tho [08:28] <nikkia> looks like you might be sending a unicode = too :) [08:28] <jpatrick> true [08:28] <nikkia> i assume that line is supposed to read a[0] = "ant" [08:29] <jpatrick> works now [08:29] <nikkia> using kate? or kdevelop ? [08:29] <jpatrick> KDevelop [08:29] <nikkia> strange [08:29] <Tm_T> bah [08:29] <nikkia> oh well, bbiab [08:29] <jpatrick> me too [08:29] <jpatrick> supper [08:30] <Tm_T> uhm, does anyone know from where I can find latest unsermake package (>0.4) [08:31] <mabu> Has anyone succeded installing amaroK 1.3 with musicbrainz support? [08:36] <apokryphos> mabu: it says it has support for it, every time, but the pack in the repos must be busted [08:36] <apokryphos> last four or so builds haven't worked [08:37] <mabu> I have 1.2.4 now and musicbrainz library from debian [08:37] <mabu> But I can't install -dev package [08:37] <apokryphos> mabu: what dev package? [08:39] <mabu> for musicbrainz support (libtunepinp ) [08:39] <apokryphos> libtunepimp -- yes. It's in Ubuntu repos at least [08:40] <mabu> But that packake have no mp3 support AFAIK [08:40] <apokryphos> I used to use the packs from the repos just fine, until semi-recently [08:41] <apokryphos> Told Riddell about it not too long ago though, so I think something might be done [08:41] <mabu> If I install ubuntu's libtunepimp dev packake and build amaroK 1.3 from source [08:42] <mabu> And then install libtunepimp from debian [08:42] <mabu> will I have mp3 Musicbrainz support? [08:43] <apokryphos> Can't say for certain [08:43] <apokryphos> it would probably be less hassle/confusion to just compile musicbrainz [08:44] <mabu> So, unistall musicbrainz, and build library with mp3 support? [08:44] <mabu> And then build amaroK? [08:44] <apokryphos> sure [08:44] <apokryphos> there's an amarok .deb on the forum though [08:44] <apokryphos> !amarok1.3 [08:45] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, amarok1.3 is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=304006&postcount=54 [08:46] <paines> hi [08:47] <jpatrick> lo [08:47] <mabu> Is this libtunepimp source? http://cvs.musicbrainz.org/cvs/tunepimp/ [08:47] <AberMatt> does anyone know how you manually delete a package? [08:49] <paines> AberMatt: apt-get remove package-name [08:49] <AberMatt> by manually [08:49] <AberMatt> I mean using rm idelly [08:49] <AberMatt> I have broken apt.. [08:49] <paines> well [08:50] <paines> you could delete all those files from a package, but not sure if would fix apt [08:50] <paines> dpkg -L package give you the files from a pakage [08:50] <AberMatt> I got that impression also [08:50] <paines> so a rm `dpkg -L package` should do the job [08:50] <paines> but [08:51] <paines> i am not responsible if your system get messed up totally [08:51] <AberMatt> heh [08:51] <AberMatt> that just gives me /usr/local/ [08:51] <AberMatt> which i aint deleting [08:51] <paines> which package is causing the problem ? [08:52] <AberMatt> a non standard one [08:52] <AberMatt> hl1430lpr [08:52] <paines> whats is name [08:52] <paines> so, you did dpkg -L hl1430lpr and got a list of files ? [08:52] <buz> how well is centrino and extreme graphics supported these days? [08:52] <AberMatt> yea [08:53] <AberMatt> /usr/local/ [08:53] <paines> don't know. never had centrino or extreme graphics stuff [08:53] <AberMatt> which was odd [08:53] <paines> hmm. [08:53] <AberMatt> aha [08:53] <AberMatt> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/04/msg01500.html [08:54] <AberMatt> google how I love thee [08:54] <paines> aha [08:54] <paines> okay. [08:55] <AberMatt> that lloks rather complex to me [08:55] <AberMatt> but I will give it a try [08:55] <AberMatt> :) [08:56] <AnHu> does someone know why gaim is kicked from the systemtray after restart KDE? It starts then but without being in the systemtray [08:56] <paines> good luck [08:58] <AberMatt> I think I will need it [09:02] <pakubuntu> sup ppl [09:21] <felesh> hi [09:25] <AberMatt> gaaahhhh [09:27] <AberMatt> how do you modify the contents of a .deb then? [09:28] <AberMatt> the temptation to reinstall is growing.... [09:28] <seaLne> what for? [09:29] <AberMatt> I am struggling to fix my apt get system [09:29] <AberMatt> and I am well out of my depth [09:29] <seaLne> whats wrong? [09:29] <DaSkreech> ignorance? :) [09:29] <AberMatt> lack of time [09:30] <AberMatt> but yeah you are close [09:30] <AberMatt> I am trying to modify a .deb file to make it intstall [09:31] <seaLne> what error does it give? [09:32] <AberMatt> lemme find a paste bin [09:33] <AberMatt> http://pastebin.com/340100 [09:36] <AberMatt> so i am geussing there is something wrong with the post-installation script [09:36] <seaLne> what if you try mkdir -p /var/spool/lpd before installing? [09:37] <AberMatt> ok [09:37] <AberMatt> that gets me abit further along [09:39] <seaLne> where did you get the deb from? [09:39] <AberMatt> the brohter website [09:39] <AberMatt> my first mistake... [09:39] <seaLne> does cups not support your printer? [09:40] <AberMatt> when I treid to install it [09:41] <AberMatt> i couldnt get it working so i went poking on the brother website [09:42] <AberMatt> and found the .deb of crappy doom [09:42] <AberMatt> :( [09:44] <seaLne> ah [09:44] <AberMatt> which seems to have been a rather large mistake [09:47] <buz> how about kde and tablet pcs? [09:47] <nikkia> oh toffee! [09:48] <jpatrick> nikkia! [09:48] <nikkia> hi jpatrick [09:48] <AberMatt> I just need to modify the deb so that it doesnt try to restart lpd [09:48] <jpatrick> being going quite well now [09:48] <nikkia> jpatrick: ruby you mean ? [09:49] <jpatrick> yeah :D [09:50] <jpatrick> do you know if there's a 'import' function like Python? [09:50] <nikkia> require [09:50] <seaLne> require 'Korundum' [09:52] <nikkia> oh dear [09:52] <nikkia> i just decided to do an apt-get update on my work pc [09:52] <nikkia> its getting a new copy of every single package list :) [09:53] <jpatrick> :o [09:53] <nikkia> i think i last ran apt-get on it, umm, last time i was in the office for more than a couple of hours, which would be april-ish [09:53] <jpatrick> Ah.. [09:54] <jpatrick> I'm trying to do 'import time' but in Ruby. [09:54] <jpatrick> so it's shows the current time [09:54] <nikkia> jpatrick, i think date and time are intrinsic object classes in ruby [09:55] <jpatrick> i did require 'time' then puts 'time' after it [09:55] <nikkia> indeed... [09:55] <jpatrick> it just shows time [09:55] <nikkia> irb(main):001:0> a = Time.now [09:55] <nikkia> => Thu Aug 18 20:55:17 BST 2005 [09:55] <seaLne> wouldn't you need to create a time object? [09:55] <seaLne> yeah [09:56] <jpatrick> syntax error :/ [09:59] <jpatrick> i can't create the object [10:00] <AberMatt> HOO and YAR! [10:00] <AberMatt> seaLne: thanks for the help [10:01] <AberMatt> ok, now apt-get works again [10:01] <AberMatt> *phew* [10:01] <nikkia> oh, this is bad [10:01] <nikkia> 18 pages of packages being held back [10:02] <nikkia> jpatrick: copy and paste the command and first error line from trying to do 'a = Time.now' in irb [10:03] <jpatrick> irb [10:03] <jpatrick> I think that IRC [10:03] <jpatrick> Or am I wrong? [10:03] <nikkia> irb = interactive ruby [10:03] <nikkia> ie, a ruby you can sit and type stuff in and get an instant answer :P [10:04] <jpatrick> how do I do that? [10:04] <nikkia> jpatrick, open a konsole, type 'irb' [10:04] <nikkia> you get a prompt like irb(main):001:0> [10:04] <jpatrick> bash: irb: command not.... [10:04] <nikkia> jpatrick: hmmmm, irb *should* be packaged with ruby [10:04] <jpatrick> i'm apt-getting now [10:05] <nikkia> wait, you were actually typing stuff into files, saving, and running ? [10:05] <nikkia> fool! :) [10:06] <nikkia> irb is where you learn :) [10:06] <jpatrick> :p [10:07] <buz> is there a kde vector graphics app [10:07] <jpatrick> a = Time.now = (irb):1: syntax error [10:07] <buz> something simple would do [10:08] <chris12349> is there a apt source for KDE 3.5 for kubuntu? [10:08] <buz> not yet [10:08] <nikkia> jpatrick, hmmmmm [10:08] <chris12349> thanks [10:08] <buz> it's not final, after all [10:08] <nikkia> jpatrick, as i said, copy the whole 2 lines [10:08] <seaLne> buz: sodipodi maybe? [10:08] <chris12349> alpha 2 right? [10:08] <nikkia> seaLne: i'd recommend inkscape over sodipodi, atm [10:08] <buz> can i use inkscape for tablet pc? [10:08] <nikkia> there is a kde one tho, can't remember the name of it, its part of koffice [10:09] <buz> so i thought [10:09] <seaLne> oh krita or something? [10:09] <jpatrick> Krita [10:09] <buz> but i can't find it [10:09] <buz> krita is bitmap [10:09] <buz> but quite a good paintshop pro replacement [10:09] <nikkia> Karbon14 [10:09] <buz> what i'm after is this: some way to paint over pdfs then save two layers, one pdf, one vector for uni note taking [10:09] <jpatrick> nikkia: SyntaxError: compile error (irb):1: syntax error from (irb):1 [10:09] <buz> yeah it was karbon ;) [10:10] <nikkia> jpatrick: no, type in the a = Time.now line, and then copy the whole of that line + the next line [10:10] <buz> carbon cant import pdf so far :( [10:10] <buz> mhh it can import postscript [10:11] <buz> that's good enough i guess [10:11] <jpatrick> irb(main):001:0> a = Time.now [10:11] <buz> yeah great [10:11] <nikkia> jpatrick, hmmm, and the next line is the error ? [10:12] <buz> karbon crashes upon opening postscript [10:12] <jpatrick> the SyntaxError: compile error [10:12] <nikkia> buz, just checking if inkscape can read pdfs, i doubt it tho [10:12] <buz> PS would do as well [10:12] <buz> pdf <-> ps is easy enough [10:13] <nikkia> nope, doesn't look like it can [10:14] <nikkia> which means sodipodi probably can't [10:14] <nikkia> (since inkscape is a fork) [10:14] <buz> crap i dont want to write my own karbon extension ;) [10:15] <nikkia> jpatrick, thats very bizarre, i wonder if its utf-8 hitting again [10:15] <bjv> is there a fairly fast way to setup my machine to pass traffic through to my gateway? [10:15] <jpatrick> Ah. [10:15] <jpatrick> this time I wrote it [10:15] <jpatrick> it worked :D [10:17] <nikkia> if there is one feature ruby really lacks compared to python... its the self-documenting [10:17] <bjv> like an iptables gui or something. :\ [10:17] <nikkia> it is awfully handy to be able to do help(a) and see a list of class members :/ [10:21] <buz> annotations for kpdf: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103051 [10:24] <Tm_T> uh, I'm hc blogger =) [10:37] <themuffinking01> does gnome work on kubuntu? [10:37] <Tm_T> ofcourse [10:37] <themuffinking01> and does kde work on ubuntu? [10:37] <aseigo> do fish swim in water? [10:37] <Tm_T> ofcourse [10:38] <Tm_T> aseigo <3 [10:38] <themuffinking01> remind me again what the difference a k makes [10:38] <aseigo> ah look, a heart from Tm_T! [10:38] <Tm_T> :/ [10:38] <themuffinking01> it could also be testicles, if you tilt your head the other way [10:39] <aseigo> testicles, heart.. similar. [10:39] <Tm_T> ssshhh [10:39] <themuffinking01> either way, it means he likes you [10:39] <aseigo> obviously [10:39] <Tm_T> as good [10:39] <Tm_T> =) [10:41] <Tm_T> bah, I hate you all [10:41] <Tm_T> (not really) [10:42] <edvardas> hello ppl [10:42] <Tm_T> hullo [10:43] <Tm_T> King Crimson - One Time <3<3<3 [10:43] <edvardas> anyone knows how to change permissions of folder (file) with konsole (i'm not allowed to change it by pressing Properties -> Premissions..) ??? [10:43] <Tm_T> bah, I hate me [10:44] <Tm_T> "sudo cmod 777 target" to allow it to all peraps? [10:44] <Tm_T> chmod [10:45] <Tm_T> bah, and I hate my broken keyboard [10:46] <Tm_T> sometimes I hate my life [10:47] <caller> where are my KDE window decoration themes? [10:49] <pax> in your control center > appearace & themes > window decorations [10:50] <seaLne> also /usr/share/apps/kthememanager/themes/ [10:50] <seaLne> but using control center is easiest [10:59] <Tm_T> phuo [10:59] <Tm_T> h [11:02] <Tm_T> /j #ubuntu-fi [11:02] <Tm_T> ... [11:02] <Tm_T> nice day indeed [11:07] <seaLne> has anyone tryed to use freenx from backports? [11:19] <caller> seaLne, thanks [11:22] <stizoner> flash for firefox? libflash crashes firefox for me [11:24] <caller> Where are my menu configs? IE, the file/files that decide what shortcuts are on my K-Menu? [11:25] <nikkia> caller, basically, all over the place [11:26] <nikkia> most of them are in /usr/share/applications tho [11:27] <nikkia> the menus themselves just pull together the .desktop files in the locations specified, basically [11:40] <dech> Hello all [11:55] <p0z3r> has anyone had any problems installing on a laptop where the screen cycles like bad television reception? [12:02] <Elsidoxx> can someone tell me why the font in kynapticf is so large? [12:02] <Elsidoxx> kynaptic*

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.596304

2005-08-23-#kubuntu-devel

[09:43] <verwilst> hello Riddell-awa [09:51] <verwilst> Riddell-awa: it builds now.. don't know why.. [09:54] <verwilst> Riddell-awa: anyways, dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing doesn't work [09:54] <verwilst> removing --sourcedir=debian/tmp looks better i think [10:29] <verwilst> debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting.... [10:29] <verwilst> raah [11:52] <verwilst> Riddell-awa: if you're back, i have some Q's [11:52] <verwilst> i've built arts [11:52] <verwilst> but it's only binary [11:52] <verwilst> i want to have src pkgs too.. so deb-src can use it too [02:07] <hunger> Cool kde 3.5 alpha debs... must have those;-) [02:22] <verwilst> ;) [02:22] <verwilst> i have arts ready :p [02:24] <jpatrick> cool [02:44] <verwilst> damned [02:44] <verwilst> kdelibs failed [02:44] <verwilst> *** doxygen.sh [02:44] <verwilst> * QTDOCDIR does not name a directory. [02:44] <verwilst> * QTDOCDIR set to "" [02:44] <verwilst> * $DOXDATA is '/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common' which does not name a directory [02:44] <verwilst> $PREFIX does not name a directory, tried "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en" [02:45] <verwilst> Error creating apidox-am-yes. Exit status 1. [02:45] <verwilst> any ideas? ;) [02:45] <jpatrick> :/ [02:52] <sebas> verwilst: You could try asking [ade] (#kde-nl #kontact #kpilot), he's the apidox man. [04:39] <pef> hi ! [04:40] <jpatrick> hi [06:34] <Verwilst> Riddell-awa: pingeling [07:42] <Verwilst> Riddell-awa: sorry, i'm out of ideas..

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.610961

2005-08-08-#ubuntu-meeting

[04:29] <adkinsj> /msg nickserv set hide email on [04:34] <adkinsj> hello? [04:35] <crimsun> hi? [04:35] <adkinsj> talkative bunch :) [04:35] <crimsun> this is the meeting room; see the topic for the next meeting [04:35] <crimsun> you probably want to be in #ubuntu [04:35] <adkinsj> ahh hehe ty [04:36] <crimsun> yw [04:36] <adkinsj> leaving [09:53] <robitaille> JaneW: your new topic is too long; the end part is truncated... [09:53] <JaneW> robitaille: hmmm... I just added our meeting, which will be removed after 13:00 UTC.... [09:54] <JaneW> robitaille: should I put it back to the way it was? [09:55] <robitaille> JaneW: leave it that way for now. I'm sure someone will think to add back the end part of the CC meeting info after the Edubutu meeting [09:55] <robitaille> too many meeting in this place.... :) [09:56] <JaneW> yes, funny that hey [09:58] <JaneW> ok that's it for now... [09:59] <\sh> two meetings in two days... [09:59] <\sh> I must be lonely [12:08] <JaneW> hi john [12:08] <JaneW> you are a little early though [12:08] <JaneW> it's 12:00 UTC, so 14:00 our time [12:09] <JaneW> JOhn you are UK time though right? [12:09] <JaneW> I think that's 13:00 your time [12:09] <Treenaks> "2 hours from now" [12:09] <Treenaks> - 9 minutes [12:10] <jingl3> Yes, I was just thinking... never know when to add or subtract! See you later! [12:11] <JaneW> Treenaks, that's a much better way of putting it, thank-you :) [12:11] <Treenaks> JaneW: np :) [01:33] <jelkner> JaneW: good moring! this is the place for the edubuntu meeting, yes? [01:33] <JaneW> jelkner: morning :) yes, 27 minutes and counting [01:33] <JaneW> jelkner: you're early [01:33] <jelkner> i just didn't want to be late ;-) [01:33] <JaneW> :) [01:34] <JaneW> is 8am early in the states? [01:34] <jelkner> in the summer time it is [01:34] <JaneW> or just for flint? [01:34] <jelkner> for me too [01:34] <jelkner> not durning the school year [01:35] <JaneW> I guess on vaccation it would be... [01:35] <jelkner> indeed, those three months when teachers sleep in [01:37] <jelkner> our first agenda item is the timeline, yes? [01:38] <jelkner> i read the minutes from the last meeting, and i'm eager to know if we are still on target for those dates [01:39] <JaneW> indeed so am I [01:39] <jelkner> it's now or never time for planning free software day activities [01:39] <jelkner> we wanted to do several edubuntu related events [01:40] <jelkner> but i've been stalling to see if it would be possible [01:40] <JaneW> we have some issues though which I need to discuss [01:46] <JaneW> MEETING NOTICE: 15 minutes to our Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-devel [01:46] <JaneW> correction #ubuntu-meeting [01:46] <jelkner> opps, i thought i had to move [01:57] <jelkner> JaneW: question - flint is trying to join us, but he says the name "flint" is banned. [01:57] <jelkner> how can he fix this? [01:57] <JaneW> dunno [01:57] <JaneW> use another nick? [01:57] <jsgotangco> yeah [01:58] <jsgotangco> jelkner: hey long time no see/chat even [01:59] <jelkner> jsgotango: and you would be whom? [01:59] <highvoltage> ah yes, let's do the intro thing. [01:59] <jelkner> jelkner is Jeff Elkner [02:00] <jingl3> jingl3 is John Ingleby [02:00] <ogra> <--- Oliver Grawert [02:01] <knuty> knuty <--- Knut Yrvin [02:02] <JaneW> ;) [02:02] <highvoltage> hi knuty. saw you on the debconf video of mark's talk :) [02:02] <ogra> highvoltage, you did ? [02:02] <JaneW> Hi all. Let's get started. [02:02] <knuty> highvoltage: Yes [02:02] <bskahan> Hi everyone [02:02] <JaneW> Edubuntu Meeting starting, [02:02] <ogra> knuty, oh i thought you were going for miss norway [02:02] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, i did. [02:03] <knuty> highvoltage: well I saw the video ;-) [02:03] <jsgotangco> heh [02:03] <JaneW> lol [02:04] <knuty> JaneW: 8-) [02:04] <JaneW> ok back on topic [02:04] <jsgotangco> agenda? [02:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, mail ! [02:04] <jsgotangco> gyah [02:05] <JaneW> * Current status of the edubuntu distro - and a review of Oliver's Development Roadmap (Milestones, ctivities and requirements going forward to the release date). This could include requests for assistance from Oliver. [02:05] <JaneW> jsgotangco: edit it!:P [02:05] <ogra> http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuOneDotZeroRoadmap [02:05] <JaneW> oli can we point everyone to your wiki pages? [02:05] <ogra> sure [02:06] <ogra> they are a bit draftish, but surely for the public [02:06] <JaneW> ok if you care to take a look at that it's a highlevel roadmap from here to the release date [02:06] <jsgotangco> ahh august 11 [02:06] <jelkner> milestone one says aug. 11 [02:06] <JaneW> that's next FRIDAY [02:06] <jelkner> are we still on for that? [02:06] <JaneW> yes [02:06] <ogra> i hope we have a working install CD by aug 11 [02:07] <jsgotangco> nice [02:07] <ogra> ubuntus X is still not installable [02:07] <JaneW> ogra: can you give us a few sentences of where you are at with the development please? [02:07] <jelkner> i thought breezy was still broken? [02:07] <JaneW> jsgotangco: oi that's my job! [02:07] <ogra> i have made an upgrade yesterday and it took me half the day to get a working X agaiun... :( [02:07] <ogra> JaneW, sure [02:08] <JaneW> how is Breezy looking atm, ito build status? [02:08] <ogra> the server package is nearly done, all seeds are sorted (seeds are the base for metapackages like edubuntu-server/-desktop) [02:08] <sivang> hi ogra [02:08] <ogra> i'm lagging with the main inclusion reports... (i suck at buerocracy) [02:09] <JaneW> ogra: can someone help you with that? [02:09] <ogra> the edubuntu-desktop package sits still in universe as long as mnot all reports are approved... [02:09] <ogra> JaneW, sure... Burgundavia already wanted to do them.... [02:09] <ogra> but we still have a lot of them... [02:09] <JaneW> cool, let him! [02:10] <ogra> another odd thing is the mediawiki package.... [02:10] <JaneW> he;s not here now... too early for him I think [02:10] <JaneW> yes [02:10] <jsgotangco> thats strange her barely sleeps :) [02:10] <ogra> debian asked me to not include my quick made hackish package but to use theirs... the problem is that not much development is going on there [02:11] <ogra> they are still discussing basics and i fear thy wont have it ready in time [02:12] <ogra> a third thing is that gcompris obviously doesnt compile with our compiler... gcompris is a hell of a package and takes time to fix (43MB source) [02:13] <ogra> now to the positive stuff [02:13] <jsgotangco> it even has svgalib [02:13] <ogra> we have a classroom control tool now... its over 60% done.... [02:13] <JaneW> wait [02:13] <JaneW> how serious are these issues? [02:14] <JaneW> can we live with them being broken and not included (worst case scenario?) [02:14] <ogra> i had the choice to either rewrite the backend for TeacherTool to work with our LTSPO implementation or to do something from scratch [02:14] <ogra> i decided for the latter... [02:14] <ogra> JaneW, gcompris is essential ... [02:15] <ogra> mediawiki *can* be replaced by moin, but we committed otherwise.... [02:15] <highvoltage> LTSPO? [02:15] <JaneW> nod [02:15] <ogra> my package would work, but i doubt its upgradeable wit the otally differen built debian package we'll have in the next release [02:16] <ogra> highvoltage, -O indeed [02:16] <ogra> so i'd like to see these two packages in.... [02:17] <jsgotangco> gcompris not in edubuntu would be a shame since a lot of people like it [02:17] <ogra> another thing is that pitti doesnt want to support php4 [02:17] <jsgotangco> especially for early education [02:18] <ogra> in no case... [02:18] <highvoltage> geez [02:18] <ogra> all the packages we use are built for php4, but breezy is planned to have php5 (wich entered the disto yesterday or so) [02:19] <ogra> so i have to rebuild all php based packages and test them again php5... mediawiki is known to have issues... [02:19] <jelkner> and moodle? [02:19] <ogra> (besides the two weekly securiy updates you need anyway to keep it half way secure) [02:20] <flint> orga, one way to keep it secure is to front end it with a secure web application [02:20] <ogra> moodle *should* work with php5 i havent seen negative reports yet, but as i said, php5 wasnt available before beginning of the week) [02:20] <ogra> flint, haha.... [02:20] <flint> sorry ogra not orga can't type [02:21] <ogra> flint, you mean a frontend to the frontend ? [02:21] <flint> No, (as they say) seriously folks why not put schootool in front of it? [02:21] <flint> The only way to get to moodle is through schooltool (in this fantasy) [02:21] <ogra> flint, we have schooltool in parallel [02:22] <ogra> (the only server app tha doesnt cause headaches for me currently) [02:22] <flint> how hard would series be? (just asking) [02:22] <flint> I know, I like schooltool! [02:22] <ogra> and i'd like to keep moodle open for custiomization by the teacher [02:23] <ogra> as well as mdiawiki... [02:23] <ogra> media even [02:23] <flint> gotcha. [02:23] <highvoltage> ogra: is that the same keyboard you use for coding? [02:23] <ogra> highvoltage, mostly, yes... but vim has a great highlighting ;) [02:24] <jelkner> the big question for me is: can we go ahead with our free software day plans? [02:24] <ogra> jelkner, free software day plans ?? [02:25] <jelkner> in other words, will it be possible to install a usable edubuntu server by sept 10 [02:25] <flint> or... to put it another way, how do I get my own ubuntu toaster? [02:25] <jelkner> we have a few projects in the works waiting for edubuntu [02:25] <ogra> jelkner, see the roadmap... i'm plannung to match the milestones ;) [02:25] <flint> my question is what happened to Johnathan and Hilton's iso... [02:25] <jelkner> then it looks good [02:26] <jelkner> ogra: but you are depending on breezy work [02:26] <highvoltage> flint: our iso's aren't usable [02:26] <ogra> the essential part where i need most help will be the testing over the next month [02:26] <jelkner> which isn't even usable yet [02:26] <highvoltage> or let me put it this way, it's really not ready for wide-spread use. [02:26] <jelkner> we are ready willing and eager to test [02:26] <ogra> jelkner, yes, thats the prob... the X transition took extensively longer then planned [02:26] <JaneW> lagging, but hangon guys, let's finish getting thing developed first... [02:26] <highvoltage> flint: and it's Jonathan, not Johnathan, btw ;) [02:27] <jsgotangco> heh [02:27] <flint> to quote the man "release early and often" Jonathan [02:27] <JaneW> ogra: where you finished with your update? [02:27] <ogra> jelkner, the php5 decision is still pending and php5 isnt widely tested yet... [02:27] <JaneW> I was trying to distill the salient part out to record [02:27] <ogra> JaneW, i think so [02:28] <JaneW> ogra: do you need any further help right now? [02:28] <flint> sorry about the misspellings, it is a gift part of FITS [02:28] <JaneW> ogra: and will you contact Corey for your inclusion reports? [02:28] <ogra> JaneW, the report stuff would be a good candidate [02:28] <JaneW> flint: I am typo queen! [02:28] <JaneW> ogra: will you speak to corey or should I? [02:29] <ogra> as you like... i'm around anyway... so who sees him first :) [02:29] <JaneW> ogra: does the php thing cause you a lot of extra work? [02:29] <JaneW> ogra: ok, let;s both nag him, I seem to be good at annoying ppl today.... [02:29] <ogra> JaneW, sure... but keeping both would be the oddest we could do... [02:30] <ogra> there has to be a decision... php is the worst stuff we have... and we need the most appropriate solution to be able to support it [02:30] <JaneW> ogra: what are you going to do about gcompris? [02:30] <flint> Jeff is concerned because our targets in DC are the Regional Public School Libraries [02:30] <ogra> JaneW, contacting upstream... [02:31] <ogra> flint, can you elaborate... [02:31] <JaneW> ogra: what would happen if it can;t get fixed? Do we still have a product? [02:31] <ogra> JaneW, seed change (rip out gcompris) .... [02:31] <ogra> JaneW, but gcompris is essential, we cant drop it... [02:32] <JaneW> ogra: so this is a biggie, by when must it be fixed, at the latest? [02:32] <JaneW> ogra: and is there anyone I can nag? [02:32] <flint> ogra, It has to do with proxying moodle through the Zope3 schooltool application. It is just an idea at this time... [02:32] <jelkner> ogra: what is the status of child's play? [02:33] <ogra> it should be ready for M1 but during M1-2 shoudl also be sufficient [02:33] <ogra> jelkner, is that a complete replacemet ? i would rather see it as add on [02:34] <ogra> flint, that doesnt solve my php problem... its just another webserver in fron then [02:34] <jelkner> they are different, so it is an add-on, but they are aimed at similar target users [02:34] <ogra> jelkner, so you mean childsplay as a fallback for the worst case scenarion ? [02:34] <jelkner> gcompris is more mature, but child's play is written in Python [02:34] <ogra> -n [02:34] <flint> you are correct. it merely "solves" the issues of security... [02:35] <ogra> flint, my current problem is to find out if it works with php5 at all... we had no php5 packages until beginning of this week... and we wont support 4 and 5 [02:36] <JaneW> jelkner: do you think it's a feasible plan b? [02:36] <jelkner> i'm not in a position to know [02:36] <jelkner> i could use either, but i'm starting with new installations [02:36] <ogra> JaneW, feasable no, but calming down the rage of our users :) [02:36] <jelkner> we may have folks who already use gcompris [02:36] <jelkner> and who would be upset without it [02:37] <ogra> there are a lot shool projects that write extensions for gcompris.... [02:37] <JaneW> ogra: ok worst case scenario, but certainly not preferable [02:37] <ogra> they wouldnt have a base... i think dropping gcompris is out of discussion [02:37] <highvoltage> ogra: we use mediawiki and moodle with php5 in tuxlabs at the moment [02:38] <ogra> highvoltage, but not the debian packages... i'm bound to them :( [02:38] <highvoltage> ah, of course. [02:38] <JaneW> ogra: do we have to escalate this issue to mdz? [02:38] <flint> ogra, I see the problem now as a functional issue, beyond security. [02:38] <JaneW> ogra: seem to be jeopardising us quite heavily [02:38] <ogra> JaneW, gcompris ? he knows about it [02:39] <flint> got my vote! [02:39] <JaneW> ok shall we move on, that was item 1 - 40 minutes [02:39] <JaneW> or is there more to discuss? [02:39] <ogra> yep [02:40] <ogra> we have a mailing list ... and we'll have more meetings [02:40] <JaneW> ogra: wise words [02:40] <JaneW> * Testing requirements, as per Olivers testing Plan. [02:40] <ogra> (nothing more to discuss now imho) [02:40] <JaneW> http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTestingPlan [02:40] <ogra> thats a draft, i'll drop it into the ML tfor further discussion [02:40] <JaneW> oliver will call for testers when the time comes [02:41] <ogra> after aug 11th ;) [02:41] <jelkner> but not long after, i hope ;-) [02:41] <JaneW> ok [02:41] <ogra> or better: testig can start from aug 11th [02:41] <JaneW> * Documentation current status, and requirements to completion by release date, wrt ubuntu documentation and the cookbook. [02:41] <jelkner> that sounds good [02:41] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you're up [02:41] <jsgotangco> oh [02:42] <jsgotangco> what is there to write when there is no working system heh [02:42] <jsgotangco> seriously though, tuxlabs cookbook [02:42] <JaneW> *sulk* [02:42] <flint> harsh jane, very harsh... [02:42] <jsgotangco> JaneW: source? [02:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you get anything from Jean yet? [02:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: no, he's in a part of Nairobi now where he doesn't have e-mail access. [02:43] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes, waiting on that [02:43] <jsgotangco> if there is none, i might decide on writing one from scratch *doh* [02:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: does someone else have a copy of it? [02:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: can it not be scrapped? [02:44] <jsgotangco> no way [02:44] <jsgotangco> we'll find a way [02:44] <JaneW> sigh [02:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think we might have sent the publishers the source, i'll find out. i think they might have gotten it directly from jean, but they might have it still... [02:44] <jsgotangco> i want the cookbook [02:44] <ogra> grep the online version [02:44] <ogra> grab [02:44] <jsgotangco> yeah [02:44] <JaneW> I can cut and paste into a doc for you ;P [02:44] <jsgotangco> lol [02:44] <jsgotangco> sure that would work short term [02:44] <mhz> ogra, Will TuxLabs be the 1st version of Edubuntu Documentation? [02:45] <JaneW> ok, let's just focus on short term for now? [02:45] <jsgotangco> JaneW: sure that's workable [02:45] <flint> where is the online tuxlab cookbook? (for the record...) [02:45] <ogra> mhz, it will be a add on... but we'll need specific docs too... [02:45] <JaneW> any progress is good right now IMO [02:45] <jsgotangco> i'll start just to keep things rolling and not to make it to complicated to lessen the barrier for volunteers [02:45] <mhz> ogra, but if translations are done... will we take Cookbook? [02:45] <JaneW> jsgotangco: just keep nagging highvoltage to get the source though, he likes that ;) [02:46] <mhz> ogra, (tuxlabs, I meant) [02:46] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i have chains if you have your whip, i'll try that thanks [02:46] <knuty> flint: http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/web-tuxlabs.html [02:46] <JaneW> http://www.upfrontsystems.co.za/Members/jean/cookbook/docbook/cookbook.html [02:46] <flint> sweet!!! [02:46] <ogra> mhz, the cookbook is very coommon and a great source for the basice... but the specifics have to be adressed elsewhere [02:46] <ogra> basics [02:46] <mhz> ogra, ok [02:46] <ogra> mhz, i.e. our LTSP works quite different... [02:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: so is that it for now, ITO documentation? [02:47] <jsgotangco> JaneW: yup guess so, no usable system, no reason to discuss further [02:47] <mhz> ogra, I'll be working on a MoinMoin wiki CookBook, so I can start from TuxLabs and then?? [02:47] <JaneW> ok agreed [02:47] <ogra> mhz, we committed to mediawiki... [02:47] <mhz> oh [02:48] <JaneW> * Art work, what's done, what still needs to be done, and by whom. [02:48] <ogra> as per user requirement [02:48] <JaneW> last time we discussed the following: [02:48] <JaneW> 1. the folder icon, [02:48] <JaneW> 2. wallpaper, [02:48] <JaneW> 3. splash screen... [02:48] <JaneW> 4. gdm theme [02:48] <JaneW> 5. Jonathan to create a flying penguins edubuntu 'please wait' screen. [02:48] <JaneW> 6. CD Cover & CD label [02:48] <JaneW> 7. Edubuntu web site artwork [02:48] <flint> orga makes a crucial point. The mdz version LTSP will not match the docs [02:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: did the first verions of item 5. [02:48] <highvoltage> on #1, ogra and i looked at some folder icons. [02:48] <ogra> highvoltage and me talked about the icon theme stuff... [02:48] <knuty> ogra: cookbook ... specifics elsewhere: That's why we made this book: http://developer.skolelinux.no/dokumentasjon/newdriftbok/ [02:48] <highvoltage> there's a bit too much to replace, so we'll defer it to the next version. [02:49] <ogra> yeah [02:49] <ogra> tons of folder icons to redraw... so too much for now [02:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: you mean the folder icon stays? [02:49] <highvoltage> who's tasked to do #2, #3 and #4? [02:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep. is that a problem for you? [02:50] <ogra> knuty, 80% of the stuff covered there i'd love to have automated and not to poke the user with it :) [02:51] <ogra> knuty, but its a great source ... we'll include a package as add on if you have one... [02:51] <JaneW> highvoltage: no, I was just clarifying, making notes. [02:51] <ogra> knuty, err, whats coyote linux ? [02:51] <highvoltage> ok [02:51] <flint> coyote linux is a router, nat firewall on a floppy disk [02:51] <JaneW> items 2, 3,4,6,7 still need owners... [02:51] <JaneW> the next person to comment gets them! [02:51] <ogra> ah [02:52] <JaneW> not YOU! [02:52] <JaneW> :P [02:52] <ogra> :p [02:52] <highvoltage> blah [02:52] <JaneW> lol [02:52] <highvoltage> i like doing theming. [02:52] <knuty> ogra: You cant automate the flash installation ... or handling the LDAP.diff-s in a sane way ... Because thats the only thing people do after installing the system :-) [02:52] <JaneW> ogra really wants to do everything [02:52] <ogra> JaneW, naaah [02:52] <highvoltage> ah yes, it's a curse. [02:52] <ogra> knuty, no LDAP in our first release [02:52] <highvoltage> i think ogra and i suffer it both. [02:53] <JaneW> so who has artistic flair, apptitude and wants to do some cool stuff for us? [02:53] <teolemon> i can do some translations and websitework if you need some [02:53] <ogra> knuty, a standalone server doesnt need one :) [02:53] <knuty> orga: coyote is firewall. There are a lot of different networks out there. [02:53] <teolemon> an very basic graphic work [02:53] <teolemon> and [02:53] <highvoltage> i have aptitude, it doesn't have super cow powers though :( [02:53] <flint> I volunteer elkner to do #4, the theme! [02:53] <ogra> knuty, right... [02:53] <knuty> orga: I know that you dont have LDAP. Our book deskribes the things you have to do when operating and upkeeping the system [02:54] <knuty> orga: after the installation [02:54] <mhz> JaneW, why not asking for volunteers in the ML ? [02:54] <JaneW> pok we need to work on getting artwork drummed up [02:54] <ogra> knuty, i'd like to have that automated for our next version... just asking 1-2 questions [02:54] <JaneW> who ever can do something please try, and we'll take it from there [02:54] <JaneW> mhz: yes I think so [02:54] <flint> part of the linux router project (www.coyotelinux.com/) [02:55] <highvoltage> good suggestion. [02:55] <jsgotangco> erm [02:55] <JaneW> highvoltage: any chance you can out a nice upbeat soliciting message together? [02:55] <knuty> orga: to make a debconf-net-install-solution is good [02:55] <JaneW> s/out/put [02:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: task me on it [02:55] <JaneW> cool thanks [02:56] <JaneW> we have an issue re CDs and printed material [02:56] <mhz> what issue? [02:56] <JaneW> on Fri I said it was happening and now it may not be. [02:56] <mhz> oh [02:56] <JaneW> I am still trying to get clarity though... [02:56] <flint> jane, what format does te CD and printed material need to arrive in? [02:57] <ogra> knuty, i thin about some kind of automated clustering of the servers to work together and share free ressources, but thats all breezy+1 and i have to focus on breezy [02:57] <mhz> ogra, I'd love to see that clustering working ! [02:57] <ogra> :) [02:58] <mhz> lol [02:58] <knuty> orga: I know :-). That's why i pointed out what we have to do to maintain the system after the installation - and this experiences could be taken into consideraton on 1.0+1 [02:59] <ogra> knuty, yep... but i dont even demote any brain cells to brezy+1 yet ;) [02:59] <flint> ogra...the ibm Z-900 version would be nice :^) [02:59] <ogra> flint, send me one for testing *g* [03:00] <JaneW> our time is almost up, any final issues/comments? [03:00] <flint> note that I have patience and will wait for the fulfillment of a single box versioin... [03:00] <jsgotangco> hey guys, i have to go, its already 9pm and i still have some issues to settle here at home seems like a nice meeting though [03:00] <teolemon> Jane,why don't you like the current folder icon ? [03:00] <ogra> teolemon, it doesnt look lke folder [03:00] <ogra> else its fine... [03:00] <jelkner> jsgotangco: see you later, Jerome! [03:00] <ogra> (colors lining etc) [03:00] <flint> jane still has numbers without names next to them, I know how much she likes these columns of numbers and names..... [03:00] <teolemon> ah ok [03:00] <JaneW> teolemon: I haven;t even seen it... [03:00] <JaneW> bye jsgotangco [03:01] <highvoltage> ogra: perhaps it looks like a folder to kids? [03:01] <teolemon> i'm a 18 year ol [03:01] <ogra> highvoltage, thats my big hope ;) [03:01] <highvoltage> ogra: i think you're just to old to appreciate it :) [03:01] <teolemon> not a kid anymore :-( [03:01] <JaneW> if I have no volunteers I select names at random [03:01] <ogra> highvoltage, no need to duck, youre right, i'm an old fart :) [03:01] <teolemon> highvoltage yes that's it :-P [03:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: hey watch out! [03:02] <teolemon> you need someone to try to do some new icons ? [03:02] <teolemon> may i give it a try ? [03:02] <highvoltage> teolemon: by all means. [03:02] <JaneW> ok let's leave ogra to get on with it [03:02] <JaneW> ogra: please shout if you need ANYTHING [03:02] <ogra> absolutely [03:03] <JaneW> else keep the discussion going in #edubuntu and on the ML... the countdown has begun. [03:03] <mhz> JaneW, my only flairs so far are related to documenting and Translating, as well as admining MoinMoin and testing apps for education [03:03] <JaneW> thanks everyone [03:03] <ogra> and you all please kick my butt if yu miss anything ;) [03:03] <highvoltage> teolemon: add your icons here: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuIcons [03:03] <teolemon> ok [03:03] <JaneW> mhz: great, chat to jsgotangco, he will co-ordinate that side [03:03] <mhz> okidoki [03:04] <ogra> mhz, we might fall back to moin if mediawiki turns out to not work as we need... [03:04] <mhz> you will get back, I know [03:04] <ogra> mhz, but the target is to make it work... [03:04] <teolemon> http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/icon/ICON-dlg-etiquette-Shot.png [03:04] <mhz> please do because Mediawiki will not do for an international syncronization of servers [03:04] <teolemon> is that the kind of thing you're looking for ? [03:04] <JaneW> just changing the topic back... [03:05] <teolemon> Gartoonish and more folder like [03:05] <ogra> JaneW, any date fo next meeting ? [03:05] <JaneW> ogra: what do you think? Friday? [03:05] <mhz> what if they were every wenesday? [03:05] <ogra> all 3 days ? [03:05] <JaneW> I am away Mon & Tues, so alternately next wed [03:05] <JaneW> ? [03:05] <ogra> thats heavy [03:05] <JaneW> wed is good [03:05] <ogra> yes [03:05] <jelkner> wed is good [03:06] <mhz> but could it be Every Wednesday? (default) [03:06] <jelkner> regular time and day is easier to plan for [03:06] <ogra> once a week... and going down to two weeks if thigs are more settled [03:06] <JaneW> ok, wed 10th same time? [03:06] <mhz> cool [03:06] <jelkner> great [03:06] <JaneW> ack, I thought 11 Aug was a Fri, it's Thurs!!! [03:06] <highvoltage> great [03:06] <ogra> probably rotating the time for other timezones [03:06] <mhz> LOL [03:07] <jelkner> so, next wed at 12 UTC? [03:07] <mhz> but I can suffer from less sleeping once a week [03:07] <flint> no, keep it in the early morning edt...i love getting up early! [03:07] <JaneW> yes, it's on the wiki [03:07] <jelkner> flint: that *is* early, paul [03:07] <highvoltage> flint: you are a morning person!? I would have never guessed :) [03:07] <jelkner> 8 am our time [03:07] <ogra> highvoltage, lol [03:07] <mhz> JaneW, Moin has a plugin called Calendar :) [03:07] <JaneW> it's 9pm for jerome, so we can;t shift it much firther that way... [03:08] <ogra> highvoltage, he works in serious offices... that requires ealry birds ;) [03:08] <highvoltage> ah [03:08] <JaneW> ok I must go, I will try to get a summary out later. [03:08] <jelkner> bye jane [03:08] <flint> i lie [03:08] <teolemon> bye [03:08] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm quite reliant on that, i haven't made notes for myself [03:08] <ogra> JaneW, Burgundavia will never be able to attend... and we'd have to get mdz out of bed early if we dont rotate... [03:08] <JaneW> tut tut [03:09] <philipp> bye [03:09] <ogra> (assuming he wants to attend) [03:09] <highvoltage> philipp: bye [03:09] <JaneW> ogra: hmm, we'll have to do something with them. [03:09] <philipp> highvoltage: hi! [03:09] <philipp> :-P [03:09] <JaneW> hi and bye phillip [03:09] <highvoltage> hi philipp [03:09] <ogra> JaneW, yep... if the want to attend ... [03:10] <ogra> mhz, X is uninstallable currently... its a PITA [03:10] <philipp> highvoltage: sorry I missed the start of the meeting, what's the situation with the website? [03:10] <mhz> ogra, yes, I thought so [03:10] <ogra> jbailey, hey... [linesca] already asked me about you [03:11] <philipp> highvoltage: are we sticking with the wiki for now? [03:11] <highvoltage> philipp: JaneW and I are going to make an alternative plan with the hosting. [03:11] <philipp> ok... [03:11] <jbailey> ogra: Did I miss him? =( [03:11] <jelkner> cya next week everyone... [03:11] <ogra> jbailey, nope... he hangs around in #edubuntu [03:11] <jbailey> Ah, I had missed the [] 's n the /whois. Thanks! [03:12] <ogra> :) [03:12] <knuty> ogra: What's about the LTSP-issue? [03:12] <ogra> jbailey, he has new HW to test ;) [03:12] <ogra> knuty, ?? what should be about it ... [03:12] <teolemon> just a question: are there any plans to recreate the ubuntu logo with children [03:12] <mhz> ogra, When I meant my vote is for MoinMoin is basically because I have been working for 1 month on project (LatinAmerican) called WikiLearn (soon to be released next 2 weeks). So far, the only wiki that has proved to be the right one, is MoinMoin [03:13] <jbailey> ogra: Cool. =) [03:13] <knuty> ogra: It says: Fix LTSP login manager at the OneDotZeroRoadmap [03:13] <ogra> mhz, nearly all teachers we had at the summit were only familiar with mediawiki... [03:13] <mhz> yes [03:13] <teolemon> DokuWiki? [03:13] <teolemon> that's the one we use on the French community [03:13] <ogra> knuty, yes, ldm currently looks quite odd... i have the new design ready, but didnt wave it in the code yet [03:13] <teolemon> wiki.ubuntu-fr.org [03:14] <mhz> ogra, but that doesn mean is the right one for educational purposes. Nearly ALL Chilean teachers are only familiar with Microsoft products :) [03:14] <knuty> ogra: ok :-) [03:14] <ogra> mhz, but they shouted they want it includd, so we folowed the demand [03:14] <mhz> ok, I understand that. [03:14] <ogra> hmm... add some l's and e' at appropriate places [03:15] <mhz> :) [03:15] <philipp> highvoltage: feel free to ping me for help with the website anytime, once you got the server sorted out... [03:16] <highvoltage> philipp: thanks [03:16] <ogra> the applist is not very much arguable at the moment, we can change everything for breezy+1 but for now the target is rather sabilization of the current selection [03:16] <highvoltage> philipp: i haven't forgotten about you :) [03:16] <mhz> then, I will have to prove WikiLearn needs Edubuntu and Edubuntu will benifit from WikiLearn. It's a pity Moin is not GUI flavoured yet. [03:17] <philipp> highvoltage: glad your short term memory is intact! :-) [03:17] <ogra> mhz, moin is available, as all the other 17000 ubuntu packages... its just not in the default install [03:17] <ogra> its only one apt-get away :) [03:18] <teolemon> i second that,a good explanation on the doc with the main pros and cons for each [03:18] <teolemon> in [03:18] <teolemon> the doc [03:19] <mhz> ogra, unfortunatelly... last time I checked, APT was not as good as untaring [03:19] <mhz> (the moin.deb I mean) [03:20] <ogra> mhz, from the debian or ubuntu repository ? or a foreign packaged ne ? [03:20] <ogra> one even [03:20] <mhz> from Debian reps. [03:20] <ogra> what was the problem ? [03:21] <mhz> and from Ubuntu one (1.5 months ago) [03:21] <ogra> it normally should leave you with a basic default setup that you can easily customize [03:21] <mhz> official installation instructions were not 100% applicable for .deb [03:22] <ogra> at least thats what debian packages normally do [03:22] <mhz> so users tend to get lost [03:22] <mhz> and some of them who were clever enough, step by #moin (where we helped them) [03:24] <mhz> ogra, one thing I am getting lost now here is: Mediawiki will be included in Edubuntu, but will that mean Ubuntu websites will no longer be Moin, too? [03:24] <ogra> nah [03:24] <ogra> we love moin.... [03:24] <mdke> moin <3 [03:25] <ogra> i wouldnt even go near mediawiki if there were no user demand.... i *hate* php and its insecuritys [03:25] <mhz> :D [03:25] <Seveas> and mediawiki is quite a terrible wiki too :) [03:25] <mhz> too? LOL [03:25] <ogra> but the base for wikipedia... [03:26] <mhz> ogra, have you ever tested MoinPedia? [03:26] <ogra> which was the main concern.... [03:26] <Treenaks> Seveas: it's better than it used to be [03:26] <ogra> mhz, nope [03:26] <mhz> Alexander (#moin) did that just for fun [03:27] <mhz> took all DB from Wikipedia and used it as MoinMoin /data [03:27] <ogra> grea [03:27] <ogra> t [03:28] <teolemon> i'd be temptated to say that php security on school networks isn't that important.You would need really gifted students or really twisted people wanting to target schools [03:28] <ogra> but lets rather move tha conversation to #edubuntu adn make the channel free for other meetings [03:28] <teolemon> but i'm perhaps heavily mistaking [03:28] <mhz> anyways, I need Ubuntu (at leat Edubuntu site) to stay with Moin because, WikiLearn will only be opossible to exist with MoinMoin (so far). And so, after people (users of WikiLearn) get used to Moin, they will also be ready to contribute to Edubuntu [03:28] <teolemon> ok [03:28] <mhz> ok [03:29] <mhz> see you there [03:29] <ogra> teolemon, some write their tests online.... dont underestimate the hacker skills of teenagers [03:51] <flint> I am trying to work up a plan for 10 September with elkner... I am going to go bother him about it. [03:52] <ogra> flint, /join #edubuntu ;) [03:54] <flint> ok, I have caused enough trouble here... [07:33] <sivang> it is going to be a MOTU meeting soon? [07:34] <carlos> pitti, doko: Hi [07:34] <doko> hi [07:34] <robitaille> sivang: 22:00 UTC [07:34] <pitti> hi [07:35] <pitti> carlos: so you wnat to talk about OO.o l10n? [07:35] <carlos> so, Firefox and OO.org integration... [07:35] <carlos> doko, pitti, Mark wants those language packs as a priority now [07:36] <carlos> so I we are defining an spec of all steps we should follow to get it done [07:36] <carlos> a kind of step by step guide [07:36] <pitti> carlos: you mean updating oo.o/ffox langpacks with rosetta data? [07:36] <carlos> with the name who will do it [07:36] <carlos> pitti, importing it into Rosetta and then update them from Rosetta, yes [07:37] <pitti> (I hope you don't mean changing ffox/oo.o to use gettext) [07:37] <carlos> pitti, no way ;-) [07:37] <pitti> so 1) we should package the tools to convert oo.o/ffox translations to gettext and 2) call them in debian/rules? [07:37] <carlos> Mark wants that the import into Rosetta and the export from Rosetta is done the same way we do it for the other language packs [07:38] <carlos> pitti, right [07:38] <carlos> I think there are already .deb packages available from Debian, doko? [07:38] <pitti> well, the import side is possible with that [07:38] <pitti> but not the export [07:38] <pitti> since langpack-o-matic can't build ffox locale packs [07:38] <doko> carlos: yes, pootle is in the archive [07:39] <carlos> pitti, well, the idea is to extend it so you can generate .mo files, firefox's language packs or oo.org language packs [07:39] <pitti> instead, there should be a new debian/rules target to pull updates from rosetta (in the locale packs for ffox/ooo) [07:39] <carlos> doko, cool [07:39] <doko> carlos: still the problem how to split/concatenate these into manageable chunkgs [07:40] <pitti> carlos: *cough* [07:40] <carlos> doko, Mark said that the idea of having one .pot file per directory is good. He agrees that 250 files are too much and only one is too big [07:40] <carlos> doko, it's a problem to solve as part of our step by step guide [07:41] <carlos> pitti, so you want that the deb build fetches files from Rosetta? [07:41] <doko> ok, then I'll patch the translate-toolkit and write these files to somewhere [07:41] <pitti> carlos: not always, but if you call "debian/rules rosetta-update" or whatever [07:42] <carlos> doko, the idea is to create, for instance, a po/ directory and store there the .pot and .po files, martin's script will take care to move them into Rosetta [07:42] <carlos> doko, like the other packages do it [07:42] <pitti> ^ yes, that's what I tought for import [07:42] <pitti> in principle, this should be possible for both ooo and ffox [07:42] <doko> carlos: you need to keep the sdf file [07:43] <carlos> pitti, hmm, we don't have a direct download features, so that would be a problem [07:43] <carlos> doko, yeah, that's another thing to talk about [07:43] <carlos> doko, we are not going to store that .sdf file into rosetta so we should decide a place that will be available on build time [07:43] <pitti> carlos: where's the difference whether debian/rules or langpack-o-matic grabs the translations? [07:44] <doko> it's fine for me to generate these directories [07:44] <carlos> pitti, well, atm we will send you an email with a link to the language pack [07:44] <carlos> pitti, so it depends on the way you want to implement it [07:44] <carlos> pitti, I'm not 100% sure Mark will be happy to handle that in a different way, but If you think it's too hard to do it, I think we could convince him [07:45] <carlos> ok, lets write a list of steps to follow that we need to do to get language packs done [07:45] <pitti> carlos: sure, and I can just take the ffox translations out of it and feed it to debian/rules somehow [07:45] <pitti> carlos: alternatively, I can create a "wrapper" that apt-get sources the locale packs, and updates them from the rosetta tarball [07:46] <pitti> carlos: it just doesn't fit into the current langpack-o-matic [07:46] <carlos> ok [07:46] <pitti> carlos: but of course I can write a mozlangpack-o-matic and an ooolangpack-o-matic :-) [07:46] <doko> pitti: yes please :-) [07:46] <pitti> just not throw it all into one huge script [07:46] <carlos> First the easier one, Firefox (feel free to add any extra step I'm missing): [07:47] <pitti> doko: erm, s/I can/can be done/ :-) [07:47] <doko> :-( [07:47] <carlos> 1.- Add an extra rule on build time to generate a .pot file and a set of .po files per language pack [07:48] <pitti> ATM I don't even know how to translate back and forth mozilla stuff, but it seems to be possible [07:48] <carlos> 2.- Current process will send them to Rosetta, Rosetta will import them and people will translate them [07:48] <carlos> pitti, there are scripts that do that [07:48] <pitti> carlos: s/language pack/mozilla-firefox-locale-all/? [07:48] <carlos> what ever it's called, yes [07:49] <pitti> erm, rather from firefox itself, not the locale packs [07:49] <carlos> 3. Once per month, an email will be sent to martin? with the link to a tarball with all updates done to firefox (a set of .po files) [07:49] <pitti> so far that's clear [07:49] <pitti> carlos: btw, I tried "that script" the other day, and it plainly refused to work, but oh well... [07:49] <doko> /usr/bin/moz2po [07:49] <doko> /usr/bin/po2moz [07:49] <doko> from pootle [07:50] <pitti> doko: oh, cool [07:50] <pitti> will try that [07:50] <carlos> 4. an script will download that tarball and will regenerate a new mozilla-firefox-locale-all [07:50] <carlos> Am I missing anything? [07:51] <carlos> I think that's all needed for firefox, right? [07:51] <carlos> doko, do we need anything other than the .po files to create the firefox language pack? [07:51] <pitti> carlos: the trouble lies in details, but in general that's the plan, yes [07:51] <doko> carlos: I don't know, never did look at the firefox translation stuff [07:52] <carlos> pitti, we should have those details clear after this meeting [07:52] <carlos> doko, ok [07:52] <carlos> lets assume for now that the .po file is the only needed thing [07:53] <carlos> I will try to investigate it a bit [07:53] <carlos> pitti, which details do you think we should take into account? [07:53] <doko> carlos, could you spec that a bit out? how the target is named, where the files should go, and so on [07:54] <pitti> carlos: I mean all the crappy little bugs you encounter when actually doing this, nothing that would influence the general strategy [07:54] <carlos> pitti, oh, so you talk about the usual problems will be raised while implementing it? [07:54] <carlos> ok [07:54] <carlos> doko, sure, that's the idea [07:55] <carlos> doko, after the meeting I will write a spec with a step by step guide so we know everthing needed to do the implementation [07:55] <carlos> if anything is missing, the spec should be updated [07:55] <carlos> So I suppose we will need an extra meeting after that spec is ready [07:56] <carlos> to add extra information to it [07:56] <carlos> pitti, anyway, from the process I just talked about, I assume that the email with hte link to the language pack will be enough for your, right? [07:57] <pitti> Yes, I guess so [07:57] <carlos> s/language pack/firefox language pack/ [07:57] <carlos> ok [07:57] <pitti> I actually have to try that out before I can talk about some details [07:58] <carlos> pitti, the email will be quite similar to the one you get when you request an export from rosetta [07:59] <carlos> pitti, and the content will be also similar, or do you want soemthing as complex as current language packs? [08:00] <pitti> same structure woudl be fine for me [08:00] <pitti> to tell apart ffox, tbird, moztilla, etc. [08:01] <carlos> pitti, do all language packs for ffox, tbird and mozilla come from the same .deb source package? [08:02] <pitti> carlos: no, in fact not, lemme explain: [08:02] <pitti> carlos: in general, each translation for each package has _its own_ source package and deb [08:02] <pitti> then, half a year ago most ffox translations were collected in mozilla-firefox-locale-all [08:02] <pitti> but there are still some language-specific mozilla-firefox-locale-<lang> source packages [08:03] <pitti> and all tbird/moz locale packages have their own source [08:03] <carlos> hmmm [08:03] <carlos> that would be a problem [08:03] <carlos> but the priority is firefox [08:03] <carlos> and they seem to be doing the right thing (more or less) [08:04] <carlos> so tbird and mozilla should be supported specially, just like KDE [08:05] <carlos> pitti, the question is... do you prefer the same layout like current language packs where you have a directory per language and a .po file with the translation domain? [08:05] <carlos> in this case the translation domain will be a name that will let you know if it's firefox, tbird or mozilla [08:05] <carlos> as they don't use gettext and that name will not be used [08:06] <carlos> pitti, the other option is a tarball with a file per language with the language code [08:06] <pitti> carlos: yes, that will be fine [08:06] <carlos> as the name [08:06] <pitti> carlos: if you do separate tarballs anyway, then I don't mind the internal format [08:07] <pitti> carlos: OTOH, if you stuff ffox etc. translations into the main big rosetta output tarballs, then jsut stick to the format, so langpack-o-matic can sort them out easily [08:08] <carlos> pitti, is up to you, if you say that using the big language pack tarball is ok for you [08:08] <carlos> I prefer to do it that way [08:08] <pitti> carlos: actually I don't see a reason why rosetta should generate a special tarball for mozilla stuff [08:09] <carlos> so I don't need to implement an specific script to send you the firefox and oo.org translations [08:09] <pitti> carlos: this keeps consistency in all levels but langpack-o-matic itself [08:09] <pitti> carlos: yes, we just need to agree to special "fake" domains, like "mozilla-firefox", "mozilla-thunderbird", "mozilla" [08:09] <carlos> ok, so they will be part of the main language pack tarball [08:10] <pitti> carlos: in fact, these domains should be determined by the POT file name that is created by the respective source package [08:11] <carlos> pitti, right [08:11] <carlos> pitti, just tell me them now and I will add them to the spec [08:11] <pitti> carlos: I'm fine with the proposals above [08:12] <carlos> ok [08:12] <doko> carlos: if you send pitti the translations, who does convert the translations back to sdf files? [08:12] <pitti> oh, and "openoffice.org", and "openoffice.org2"? [08:12] <doko> pitti: no OOo1 [08:12] <pitti> WFM [08:12] <carlos> doko, talking about OO? [08:12] <doko> yes [08:12] <carlos> doko, we will cover them now, just a second to finish with Firefox [08:13] <carlos> pitti, we should decide who will work on which parts of the process [08:14] <pitti> first I'll try to export PO files in mozilla packages [08:14] <pitti> but I have a huge pile of other stuff to do, so please don't expect it to be ready tomorrow :-/ [08:14] <carlos> pitti, doko, how is your agenda? [08:14] <carlos> what would you do and what should I do or look for someone else to do? [08:14] <pitti> carlos: crowded and a temporarily disabled right hand [08:15] <carlos> ok [08:15] <carlos> doko, and you? [08:15] <pitti> carlos: if you have the time to actually write some small script which extracts ffox translations, I can easily incorporate it into the packages [08:15] <pitti> if not, I'll find some time [08:16] <doko> carlos: ohh, low on time as well, but ... I can generate the sdf files, and then the po files. need to look at the concatenating of the files [08:17] <doko> at merge time, I would expect a complete set of po files, and the old sdf files [08:18] <carlos> pitti, doko all us are busy but I think I can rearrange my tasks a bit as my last release date just happened so I don't have the timeline you have [08:18] <carlos> pitti, so I will take care of firefox conversion [08:18] <pitti> cool [08:18] <carlos> doko, if you would do that for oo that would be perfect [08:18] <carlos> it's a bit more complex than firefox and I'm not sure I can catch with all your investigations [08:19] <carlos> doko, anyway if you think you will not have time, tell me and I will try to manage that with daf [08:19] <carlos> about the OO language packs [08:19] <carlos> the procedure should be exactly the same as with firefox [08:20] <carlos> doko, are all language packs inside the same source package? [08:20] <doko> ok, if daf can work on the file splitting/merging, that would be nice. I'm away tomorrow, and Friday half day [08:20] <carlos> doko, daf feels sick this week and I'm on a non coding week writting specs [08:20] <doko> carlos: we will duplicate the OOo2 source, build the binaries from one copy, and the language packs form the other copy [08:21] <carlos> so we don't think anything will be done until next week [08:21] <carlos> ok [08:21] <doko> ok, I'll see, what I can do. I'm working on the weekend however [08:21] <carlos> in that case, for the imports is the same as firefox [08:21] <carlos> doko, ok [08:21] <carlos> the problem comes from the file we should generate on build time [08:22] <carlos> pitti, any suggestion? [08:22] <pitti> doko: why the split? [08:22] <carlos> pitti, so we don't need to rebuild the whole oo.org when a language pack is updated [08:22] <pitti> carlos: "the file" == this magical sdf thingy? I don't know what it is for... [08:22] <pitti> carlos: ah, I see [08:22] <doko> we should not build new binaries, just when we build new language packs [08:22] <carlos> pitti, yeah, is a file needed to rebuild the oo language pack, a kind of mapping file [08:23] <carlos> pitti, it's a file that your current .po extract script should take care about [08:23] <pitti> carlos: well, that file can be taken right out of the source pacake, right? [08:23] <carlos> pitti, it's autogenerated when we create the .pot and .po file [08:24] <pitti> well, right before we update the source package with rosetta data, we could just call the po/pot extraction process to get the file [08:24] <pitti> so, [08:24] <pitti> debian/rules extractpo [08:24] <pitti> update the po files [08:25] <pitti> convert back [08:25] <doko> pitti: are you talking about OOo? [08:25] <carlos> doko, yeah, talking about OO.org [08:25] <pitti> but will that existing sdf file work for completely new languages? [08:26] <doko> pitti: not, if OOo isn't prepared for that language. i.e. valencian is not supported [08:26] <pitti> doko: ah, so for now we can only update, but not add languages? [08:27] <pitti> well, but that is already a huge improvement [08:27] <carlos> pitti, the idea is that oo.org will not get new languages after the final release [08:27] <pitti> right [08:27] <carlos> doko, would pitti's suggestion work? [08:27] <doko> pitti: yes, but OOo is already prepared for most languages, even, if there's not yet any translation [08:28] <pitti> oh, cool [08:28] <carlos> doko, to get the .sdf file on build time again [08:28] <carlos> doko, Rosetta will know the sourcepackage version from where the .pot and .po files come [08:29] <carlos> so we can provide that information just in case you need exactly that version to refresh the language packs [08:29] <carlos> althought anyway, it should not change as the distribution will be frozen, right? [08:30] <doko> carlos: ok, if I do have that information, then I need a location, where to for the sdf file [08:30] <pitti> doko: I meant, why can't you regenerate the sdf right before updating the po files in the packagea? [08:31] <carlos> doko, lets say: $root/po/ [08:32] <carlos> doko, so we execute the rule to create the .sdf and .po/.pot files again when creating a new language pack version and the files will be stored there (at $root/po/) [08:32] <carlos> then we will need to put there the updated .po files [08:32] <doko> pitti: where is the old sdf file then? [08:32] <doko> I'm unsure, if I do understand you [08:33] <carlos> doko, pitti suggest to create it again before doing the po>oo-langpack conversion [08:33] <pitti> ok, let's do an example [08:33] <pitti> ooo version 1 creates po files [08:33] <pitti> rosetta imports them [08:33] <pitti> some time advances [08:33] <pitti> ooo version 2 wants to update translations [08:33] <pitti> (btw, I don't mean oo.o2, just two microreleases) [08:34] <doko> pitti: let's start with 1.9.121, assume, that 1.9.123 is going into breezy, and 2.0 into breezy+1 [08:34] <pitti> so to update translatiosn in ooo2, do we need the sdf from version 1 or 2? [08:34] <doko> don't play around with OOo1 [08:34] <pitti> no, that's not what I mean, just two different versions [08:34] <pitti> ok, so with your numbers [08:35] <pitti> to update the translatiosn in 1.9.123, do we need the sdf from 1.9.121 or 1.9.123? [08:35] <pitti> if the imported pot file in rosetta came from 1.9.121? [08:35] <pitti> (which was my actual idea for abstraction) [08:35] <doko> we need the version, that was used for generating the po export [08:36] <pitti> ah, ok [08:36] <pitti> and that will work with the newer one? [08:36] <carlos> doko, ok, lets say that I get the new .pot file from 1.9.123 and merge the .po files with that file, shouldn't that be enough? [08:37] <carlos> the .po files merged were from 1.9.121 [08:37] <carlos> the metadata information should be updated [08:37] <pitti> ah, I see [08:37] <pitti> that should even be cleaner [08:37] <pitti> yes, and we don't need to store the sdf for that [08:37] <doko> hmm, I think, rosetta will import a new pot file, and then be able to update the po files? [08:37] <pitti> and would ensure 100% compatibility [08:37] <carlos> doko, that way, I would be able to use the sdf from 1.9.123 [08:38] <carlos> doko, Rosetta will update all .po files every time a new .pot file is uploaded [08:38] <carlos> automatically [08:38] <pitti> so, it is: [08:38] <pitti> - fetch new po files from rosetta [08:38] <pitti> debian/rules extractpo [08:38] <pitti> (will generate sdf, pot, po) [08:38] <pitti> msgmerge the po files with new rosetta data [08:39] <pitti> and convert back to ooo format [08:39] <pitti> all in one shot [08:39] <doko> ok, so why do I need to cope with merging back po files (from an old version) into a new version, if rosetta can do that? [08:39] <pitti> just for safety, I guess [08:39] <pitti> doko: msgmerge is trivially easy to call [08:41] <carlos> doko, just in case the new language pack from oo.org [08:41] <carlos> is the first time that is uploaded [08:41] <carlos> Rosetta will not get the new .pot file unless the oo.org language pack is imported into Ubuntu's archive [08:41] <carlos> so lets say that 1.9.121 is in the archive [08:41] <carlos> and you prepare 1.9.123 [08:42] <carlos> Rosetta will not have that .pot file until you upload it with latest translations from Rosetta (from 1.9.121) [08:43] <doko> wait, it does have the 121 pot file, right? [08:43] <pitti> yes [08:43] <pitti> so msgmerge will filter out obsolete stuff [08:44] <doko> ok, we generate the new pot file during the 123 build [08:44] <carlos> doko, right [08:45] <carlos> and that's why you should merge the .po files from rosetta [08:45] <doko> wait, why can't rosetta do that? [08:46] <carlos> doko, again, Rosetta will do that when you upload again 123 [08:46] <doko> what about new translations which come from the new 123 OOo? [08:46] <carlos> but Rosetta will not have the 123 .pot file yet [08:46] <carlos> only 121 [08:47] <carlos> doko well, that's a good question, the system will upload them to Rosetta [08:47] <doko> carlos: and rosetta cannot generate these during the build? [08:48] <pitti> doko: msgmerge will ensure that new translations from upstream aren't lost [08:48] <carlos> doko, only if the .pot file is uploaded first into Rosetta [08:48] <carlos> pitti, well, it's not so simple [08:48] <pitti> but this scenario is a corner case anyway [08:48] <carlos> pitti, we are talking about two .po files changed in different places [08:48] <pitti> usually we will have more than just one upload of a given upstream version [08:49] <pitti> so if that is difficult, we just make it a policy: we don't update translations from rosetta the first time we upload ooo.o [08:49] <pitti> that's not a big restriction AFAICS [08:49] <carlos> pitti, doko: Ok, lets see it this way... [08:49] <doko> pitti: define "first time", is it per version? [08:49] <pitti> doko: yes [08:49] <pitti> and it is even less a restriction, because: [08:49] <carlos> the sourcepackage that will generate the binaries will not generate any .po/.pot files [08:50] <pitti> 1) doko uploads ooo_n+1 [08:50] <pitti> 2) rosetta merges [08:50] <doko> pitti: and when a new language is added in an -2 upload? [08:50] <pitti> 3) doko uploads ooo-langpacks_n+1 [08:50] <carlos> pitti, I like that [08:50] <pitti> we have split packages anyway, right? [08:50] <doko> yes [08:50] <carlos> doko, is it doable? [08:51] <pitti> so the split package allows us to put rosetta "in between" the new upstream version and the new langpack deb generation [08:51] <doko> ok, sounds doable, but a hell of syncing those two [08:52] <pitti> doko: well, the sync task remains anyway, right? [08:52] <doko> yes [08:52] <carlos> doko, that way you don't need to take care about merging anythin [08:52] <carlos> doko, and Rosetta will get always the updates from upstream [08:52] <carlos> without needing to care about conflicts [08:53] <carlos> pitti, abiword does not uses gettext... [08:53] <carlos> pitti, they just have the .po generation process integrated into their source packages [08:53] <pitti> dudes, that was a mere joke [08:54] <pitti> carlos: hm, is there anything in gettext which makes it unusable for office suites? [08:54] <pitti> well, nevermind, back to topic [08:54] <pitti> so we settled the ooo rosetta update? [08:54] <carlos> pitti, portability was an issue. New abiword versions will use it directly [08:55] <carlos> pitti, I think so, I will write down all this so you can read it later and improve it until all people is happy [08:55] <carlos> doko, ? [08:56] <doko> carlos: ? [08:56] <doko> ok, about the spec. yes, that sounds good. [08:56] <carlos> doko, do you agree? do you have any doubt/question? [08:57] <carlos> I know you don't have yet all information, but I will try to give you it with the spec [08:57] <doko> I currently cannot see any problems. [08:57] <carlos> ok [08:57] <doko> I won't export anything for en-us and de [08:58] <doko> these are the message-id's, and both languages are normally handled well upstream [08:58] <carlos> doko, hmm, that would mean to filter them out on .po export time [08:58] <carlos> I will note that on pending things [08:58] <carlos> to the spec so we look for a way to do it [08:59] <doko> we can add it to the todo list, if the other things work [08:59] <carlos> doko, pitti when would you have a new meeting with the spec ready so we can comment it? [08:59] <carlos> I think I would have it ready for tomorrow [08:59] <carlos> Will send you it by email [09:00] <pitti> would be fine for me [09:00] <carlos> and after you read it, we would have another meeting (tomorrow or on Friday) [09:00] <doko> I'm away until Friday afternoon, no email in this time [09:00] <carlos> I will try to get some input from Mark also [09:00] <pitti> let's comment with email replies [09:00] <carlos> ok [09:00] <carlos> then [09:00] <pitti> the next meeting should happen if we actually tried out the po extraction in packages [09:01] <pitti> s/if/after/ [09:01] <doko> so, is the next meeting on Monday too late [09:01] <doko> ? [09:01] <carlos> will open a thread and if we see it needed we try a meeting on Friday afternoon or next week [09:01] <carlos> doko, I suppose it's not a big problem as we are not in the same place anyway [09:01] <doko> carlos: I can read the spec on Friday, but won't have much done until then [09:01] <carlos> so it's a "virtual" meeting [09:01] <carlos> doko, don't worry, that would be enough [09:01] <pitti> ok, great [09:01] <carlos> I will be travelling on Monday [09:02] <carlos> not sure if I will have network connection [09:02] <carlos> so we are not in a hurry [09:02] <carlos> doko, pitti what's our timeline for breezy? [09:02] <carlos> so we have this sorted out on time? [09:02] <pitti> carlos: I hope you won't get stuck at an airport for 4 hours again :-) [09:02] <pitti> carlos: feature freeze is next wednesday [09:02] <carlos> pitti, not 4 hours but about 10 hours or so [09:02] <carlos> pitti, London link is slow :-( [09:03] <pitti> carlos: but breezy goals can be fixed even after that [09:03] <carlos> ok, I will try to accelerate all next week [09:03] <carlos> so we get languagepacks 100% functional [09:03] <pitti> carlos: what about fixing the export in general? [09:03] <doko> carlos: hmm, let's see, what we can work out until Tuesday [09:03] <carlos> pitti, btw breezy imports are running again [09:03] <pitti> the hoary tarball was unusable [09:03] <carlos> pitti, that's what I'm talking about [09:03] <pitti> ah, cool [09:04] <carlos> cool [09:04] <carlos> doko, pitti anything else? [09:04] <pitti> carlos: was that "space" thingy a bug in rosetta, or a "bug" in a translator? :-) [09:04] <carlos> pitti, need to debug, It does not look like a bug in Rosetta, but I need to check it [09:05] <pitti> ok, great [09:05] <carlos> doko, pitti ok, so if you don't have any other thing.... [09:05] <carlos> doko, pitti thank you very much for the meeting [09:05] <pitti> thank you too [09:06] <pitti> have a nice evening then! [09:06] <doko> fine, thanks [09:46] <carlos> doko, how will be called the source package for the oo language packs? [09:47] <doko> hmm, openoffice.org2-l10n ? [09:48] <carlos> doko, ok, it's to reference it from the spec [10:05] <siretart> motu meeting now? [10:05] <dholbach> nope [10:05] <dholbach> 22:00 UTC [10:05] <siretart> aargl. [10:05] <dholbach> come back in 2 hours *whine* [10:05] <siretart> and /me wanted to be in bed in 2h :/ [10:05] <siretart> ;) [10:05] <dholbach> poor you [11:52] <dholbach> we're 8 minutes before the meeting [11:54] <\sh> that's DF ,-) bush drums ,-) [11:54] <Riddell> shame, could do with a stoodshie with dholbach about modifying .orig tars :) [11:55] <dholbach> Riddell: could you lighten me up on stoodshies? :) [11:55] <ajmitch> Riddell: we can't just agree now that it should only very rarely be done? :) [11:55] <dholbach> Riddell: is there any mudwrestling involved there? [11:56] <\sh> hey bddebian seb128 [11:56] <bddebian> Howdy \sh [11:57] <dholbach> whiprush: ! [11:57] <whiprush> hey daniel! [11:57] <\sh> jorge :) [11:57] <ajmitch> whiprush! [11:57] <dholbach> :) [11:57] <ajmitch> good to see you finally joining in the motu madness ;) [11:57] <ajmitch> I'm hungry, need to get some food out of the fridge ;) [11:57] <\sh> TheFridge oh no [11:58] <\sh> neverending story [11:58] <whiprush> heh [11:58] <ajmitch> hi azeem [11:58] <bddebian> Wow, yeah, hi azeem :-) [11:58] <dholbach> you all might want to have a look at the agenda on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting [11:59] <dholbach> anybody who wants to chair the meeting? [12:00] <\sh> dholbach: u r welcome ,-) [12:00] <dholbach> i see :) [12:00] <ogra> dholbach, go ahead [12:00] <dholbach> hi everybody [12:00] <dholbach> we have quite a full agenda [12:00] <ogra> <-- Oliver Grawert [12:01] <dholbach> so please try not to flame :-) [12:01] <bddebian> <-- Barry deFreese [12:01] <mbreit> \me is Moritz Breit [12:02] <ogra> Seveas, finally !! [12:02] <Seveas> :) [12:02] <dholbach> ok is that everybody? :) [12:02] <Seveas> i've found a great game i want to package ogra :) [12:02] <bddebian> heh [12:02] <ogra> hehe [12:02] <\sh> dholbach: let's rock :) [12:02] <dholbach> our beloved breezy-changes hero stephan \sh hermann wants us to think about the concept of MOTU Taskforces [12:03] <dholbach> \sh: do you want to tell us about about the problems that make this necessary [12:03] <\sh> sure..but it's not a problem...:) [12:03] <siretart> Seveas: talk to me in #ubuntu-motu later about your game package [12:04] <\sh> ok...as u all know, we as team have several tasks to do..like those funny transitions, reviews, training of new motus etc. [12:04] <\sh> but in times like nowadays, we can't accomplish all tasks with the same team strength, so I was thinking about some type of "load balancing" [12:05] <\sh> some members are working on the transitions, some on the reviews, and some others are doing NewMotuTrainings...something like that [12:05] <ogra> a MOTULoadBalance team :) [12:05] <siretart> ogra: well, MOTU is supposed to do some kind of load balancing anyway ;) [12:05] <Seveas> ogra, that would be bureaucracy and work counterproductive [12:05] <ogra> (kidding) [12:06] <ogra> hey regard the :) [12:06] <ogra> ;) [12:06] <\sh> all work has always priority 1 as u know ;) and this is a real challenge sometimes [12:06] <dholbach> what opinions do you all have on this? [12:06] <siretart> \sh: what problem do you want to solve with the creation of teams? [12:07] <ogra> \sh, in my eyes the stability of the distro has prio 1 for me... i.e. merges and transitions > reviews [12:07] <ajmitch> do you think that having people just working on things isn't enough? [12:07] <\sh> siretart: that all work is done in a good timeframe.. [12:07] <ajmitch> or do you feel that some parts (reviews, etc) get less love? [12:07] <\sh> I don't want to have packages waiting for reviews months and months, but if there are some other real work to be done, we need some more hands sometimes [12:08] <dholbach> i have one objection: people will always do things they like best - whatever those things are - some are even interested in doing a bit of everything [12:08] <ogra> ajmitch, the latter... but i dont cry a tear about it, we can approve them later still [12:08] <siretart> well, I don't think the creation of teams itself will give us more manpower.. [12:08] <\sh> dholbach: yes right... [12:08] <\sh> siretart: it's not a team ... [12:08] <\sh> in this case...

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.628070

2005-08-08-#ubuntu-toolchain

[06:16] <lamont-away> i386 0.908390 [06:16] <lamont-away> powerpc 0.902284 [06:16] <lamont-away> amd64 0.895863 [06:16] <lamont-away> ia64 0.891580 [06:16] <lamont-away> hppa 0.758311 [06:16] <lamont-away> sparc 0.753473 [06:17] <lamont-away> hppa pulls ahead!! /me does a happy dance while looking over his shoulder to see if fabbione is looking [06:17] <lamont-away> OTOH, at <91%, I think i386 is about as low as it's ever been. [06:18] <lamont-away> hoary looks like this: [06:18] <lamont-away> i386 0.970231 [06:18] <lamont-away> powerpc 0.960853 [06:18] <lamont-away> amd64 0.954392 [06:18] <lamont-away> ia64 0.953001 [06:19] <fabbione> ahah [06:19] <lamont-away> 5% of 6400 packages is "quite a few" [06:19] <fabbione> lucky that i don't have much time to look at sparc right now :) [06:19] <lamont-away> LOL [06:20] <fabbione> i would love to get my second buildd up again [06:20] <fabbione> btw did you manage to bootstrap ghc6? [06:21] <lamont-away> ghc6 needs gcc-4.0 love [06:22] <lamont-away> well, hppa is. :-) [06:22] <fabbione> i think i can unleash the other 600pkg i am stalling with C++ [06:22] <fabbione> universe has been given-back several times by now [06:22] <fabbione> and i basically get only FTBFS or missing B-d [06:23] <fabbione> oh i had that problem for sparc a long long time ago [06:23] <fabbione> but we fixed it somehow [06:24] <lamont-away> if you remember how, I'd love to know. [06:24] <lamont-away> but really to bed [06:24] <fabbione> god night [06:24] <fabbione> good even [04:45] <elmo> lamont/infinity: amd64 isn't doing daily d-i [04:46] <lamont> grumble [09:57] <doko> lamont, infinity: please requeue imagemagick, now that libexif12 is in main [09:58] <lamont> doko: was it in universe before? [09:58] <lamont> nm [09:59] <lamont> kicked
 two brown paper bugs ... please resync gcc-defaults-1.27 from unstable, which FTBFS on ia64 and hppa
 the other is java-gcj-compat from incoming (1.0.30-4) [10:39] <doko> lamont: ^^^ I already did ask elmo for a sync [10:39] <doko> with these, gcc-4.0 is the default on hppa [10:41] <lamont> doko: ok

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.639225

2005-08-08-#ubuntu-motu

[12:10] <robitaille> dholbach: thanks. which part? :) [12:11] <dholbach> the .ics part this time :) [12:11] <Mo42> dholbach, could you review my gnomeradio package on revu? just if/when you have some time left... [12:12] <dholbach> Mo42: i'm completely out of time, but i'll give it a look later, alright? [12:37] <dholbach> now mo42's away [12:37] <dholbach> hrbml [12:38] <ogra> dholbach, how up to date are you currently ? [12:38] <ogra> dholbach, my firefox crashes constantly if i go back... [12:38] <dholbach> i don't have the newest one [12:38] <dholbach> just a sec [12:38] <ogra> hmm, keep the old one around :) [12:39] <dholbach> i still have the source around because i compiled it with debugging symbols :) [12:39] <ogra> ah, great [12:40] <dholbach> upgrade.... :) [12:42] <dholbach> ouch, why that? [12:43] <dholbach> ogra: seems ok [12:43] <dholbach> although i'm inclined to say, i like epiphany much better by now [12:44] <ajmitch> dholbach: win XP [12:44] <ogra> dholbach, hmm, strange... i cant read a heise article and go back... [12:44] <dholbach> ajmitch: good point [12:44] <ajmitch> dholbach: been using firefox, it's using a fair bit of memory on windows [12:44] <ajmitch> and windows *really* can't handle it :) [12:45] <dholbach> ogra: heise works fine for me [12:45] <ogra> dholbach, with back button/alt-left ? [12:46] <dholbach> yep [12:46] <dholbach> works nicely [12:46] <dholbach> ok pals, i'm off to bed - see you around [12:47] <ajmitch> bye dholbach [12:47] <crimsun> bye dholbach [12:47] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach [12:47] <dholbach> :) [12:47] <ogra> ciao dholbach [12:51] <ajmitch> doesn't gmane already provide them? [12:52] <ogra> ajmitch, Seveas says he only parses the changelog and discards the rest [12:52] <ajmitch> ogra: could be useful [12:52] <ajmitch> the changelog is the most entertaining part [12:52] <ogra> gmane shows tha whole changes mail [12:52] <ogra> the even [12:52] <ajmitch> especially with daniels :) [12:52] <Seveas> ajmitch, I'm currently working on prettifying it a bit [12:52] <ogra> grimpf... i cursed daniels a lot today [12:53] <Seveas> hehe [12:53] <ogra> Seveas, http://www.wiggy.net/presentations/2001/DebianWalkThrough/handouts/handouts.html#AEN305 [12:53] <ajmitch> ogra: 1024x768 doesn't resize well on your screen? :) [12:53] <Seveas> ogra, found the spec already [12:53] <Seveas> but thanks :) [12:53] <ogra> i guess its also in the debian NM guide anywhere [12:53] <ogra> ajmitch, nope... [12:54] <ogra> ajmitch, its stretched and horribly blurry... after 10min i get a headache [12:54] <ajmitch> dpkg-parsechangelog might spit out something remotely useful for you [12:55] <ogra> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/ might be useful too :) [12:55] <ajmitch> true [01:35] <Seveas> all true [01:35] <Seveas> but i'm using the mail to update automatically :) [01:36] <Seveas> and the mails have a soewhat different format then the official changelog format [01:36] <Seveas> anywho, I've prettified them [01:36] <Seveas> even with correct spacing in the xml and html :) [02:44] <bddebian> Dang where is everyone? [02:49] <majic> right here [02:49] <majic> hello bddebian [02:52] <bddebian> Heya majic [02:54] <majic> how are ya? [02:54] <bddebian> Fair to midland. You? [02:57] <majic> doing good... Just drank a pot of coffee... Now I'm bouncing off the walls [02:58] <bddebian> heh [02:58] <ajmitch> hello bddebian, majic [02:59] <majic> what's up ajmitch? [02:59] <ajmitch> just had lunch :) [02:59] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch [02:59] <ajmitch> feeling somewhat closer to alive [02:59] <bddebian> OK, where the hell is pxscan? [03:00] <ajmitch> firstly, what is pxscan? [03:00] <bddebian> I don't have a clue but yaprimaxgui depends on it :-) [03:02] <ajmitch> scanner utils [03:03] <bddebian> lamezor [03:03] <bddebian> Debian doesn't have it either [03:04] <ajmitch> so fix it :) [03:04] <bddebian> But non-free/contrib would have to go in Multiverse right? [03:04] <ajmitch> sure [03:04] <ajmitch> but it's not in debian [03:05] <bddebian> Isn't it odd that a package in Universe would depend on something from Multiverse? [03:05] <ajmitch> it's not in multiverse... [03:05] <ajmitch> it's not in the archive at all [03:05] <bddebian> I know but if it was it would go into Multiverse wouldn't it? [03:06] <ajmitch> only *if* it were in non-free or contrib [03:06] <bddebian> I thought that is where you said you found it?? [03:07] <ajmitch> no, I didn't say I found them at all [03:07] <ajmitch> I said I was looking for them [03:08] <bddebian> Oh, well you said scanner utils then "looks in..." so I thought that's where you found it. SORRY.. Sheesh :-) [03:09] <ajmitch> ok, so it's crack that was imported from apt-get.org only just before hoary released [03:09] <ajmitch> http://www.stuff.demon.co.uk/apt/source/ [03:09] <schweeb> anyone else using network-manager on breezy? [03:09] <schweeb> mine's borked I think [03:09] <gradzac> hi everyone [03:10] <ajmitch> ie someone ran dh_make, tweaked some compile flags & put up a package [03:10] <ajmitch> schweeb: I've not used it [03:10] <bddebian> Hello gradzac, schweeb [03:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ahh, OK, thanks [03:11] <gradzac> schweeb: is the network manager in breezy still gnome-system-tools? [03:12] <bddebian> OK, I'm not doing as well on UniverseUnmetDeps as I did on Merge stuff :'-( [03:12] <schweeb> gradzac: I'm talking about real network-manager [03:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: you've done more than me [03:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah, but I'll never be as sexy as you.. ;-) [03:14] <majic> anyone know if the backported Ruby package is the same as the breezy package? I mean same version. That is probably a dumb question. [03:14] <ajmitch> majic: it ought to be [03:15] <majic> ok, because that version is a 1.9pre [03:15] <majic> which doesn't make alot of sense either [03:15] <majic> we go from a broken 1.8pre to a broken 1.9pre [03:15] <majic> hehe [03:15] <ajmitch> majic: I don't know the ruby situation, I just heard that people were going to backport it [03:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: What's the sigh for this time? :-) [03:16] <ajmitch> I don't see a ruby 1.9 in breezy [03:16] <majic> the latest stable is 1.8.2, I'm gonna have to roll my own if it's going to be the 1.9pre build [03:16] <majic> ajmitch, it's there, I downloaded that package and built it yesterday. It says 1.8.2 but it's really a 1.9 pre [03:16] <ajmitch> so file a bug [03:17] <ajmitch> ruby is in main, so we can't do anything with it [03:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: you :P [03:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: Can I ask you a question without you sighing at me? :-) [03:17] <majic> if it's a 1.9 pre like the package I built yesterday I am gonna cry [03:17] <majic> I don't understand who made that decision [03:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: depends on the question [03:18] <ajmitch> majic: the debian maintainer, I'd say [03:18] <majic> that baffles me [03:18] <ajmitch> hmm, perhaps not [03:18] <majic> why are we including pre release stuff in major releases of a distro? [03:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: I don't get how Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} work [03:18] <majic> and then code freezing it so it cannot be fixed [03:19] <majic> I just started with debian packaging yesterday so I don't have the experience to fix the problem. It seems like I'm bitching but I'm not really. I'm fighting for the Ruby developers that want to use Ubuntu like me. [03:19] <majic> but want to maintain package integrity [03:20] <ajmitch> majic: as I said, the MOTUs are not the ones to complain to [03:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: debhelper voodoo [03:20] <majic> alright =) [03:22] <ajmitch> ruby --version says 1.8.3 for me [03:23] <ajmitch> the changes are listed in /usr/share/doc/ruby1.8/changelog.Debian.gz [03:24] <ajmitch> which says that the updates from 1.8.2 are just for critical bugs [03:24] <ajmitch> bddebian: what do you not understand about those items? [03:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: How they get resolved [03:25] <majic> right 1.8.3 (my bad) [03:25] <majic> but there is no 1.8.3 [03:25] <majic> unless they are grabbing from CVS [03:25] <ajmitch> majic: read the changelog [03:26] <bddebian> If there is already an ubuntuX version and I am just rebuilding should I increment the ubuntu version or no? [03:26] <ajmitch> it says, critical fixes from cvs [03:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, increment [03:26] <bddebian> Thank you [03:26] <majic> I don't see the change log, is that in the diff? [03:27] <majic> ok [03:27] <ajmitch> majic: I gave the changelog path above for an installed package [03:27] <ajmitch> hi ogra [03:28] <majic> ah, I don't have it installed anymore. I'm looking at the source package stuff [03:28] <majic> but I have one question [03:28] <ajmitch> then look in the diff, it's debian/changelog [03:29] <majic> since there is no sanctioned endorsed 1.8.3 package on the official website for Ruby, who's responsibility is it to update the software? Distro developers or the developers of the actual software. [03:29] <majic> ajmitch, did. I see =) [03:29] <majic> I'd say the latter [03:29] <majic> but would seem to not be the case [03:31] <majic> it would seem to me that the distro developers are taking it upon themselves to patch software as they see fit rather than working with the authors to have them officially fixed. Is this the case? It appears like that from the Ruby package that's currently in Breezy [03:31] <ajmitch> majic: they are officially fixed, of course [03:31] <ajmitch> the fixes weren't pulled from nowhere, but from ruby cvs [03:32] <ajmitch> by the debian maintainer [03:32] <majic> right but why are they doing that? [03:32] <majic> if the CVS code was finished it'd be an official 1.8.3 package [03:32] <ajmitch> ask the debian maintainer, I don't know why he chose to do it that way [03:32] <majic> is that standard policy? [03:32] <ajmitch> my crystal ball seems to be acting up today [03:33] <majic> I mean is that normally the case with packaging software for debian / ubuntu? [03:33] <ajmitch> it is up to the maintainer's discretion [03:33] <majic> ok [03:33] <ajmitch> since every upstream is different [03:34] <majic> alrighty. I'll just forget about it and be happy [03:36] <bddebian> So if I post a rebuilt package for an MOTU to look at should I just host the debdiff or everything? [03:38] <gradzac> majic: its up to the maintainer, but the debian maintainers I have talked with usually only package released software [03:39] <majic> is Breezy frozen now? [03:39] <ajmitch> majic: upstream version freeze, yes [03:39] <gradzac> they might build a new package with patches needed to close bugs on debian [03:39] <ajmitch> feature freeze is on the 11th [03:39] <ajmitch> exceptions can be made for UVF [03:40] <ajmitch> gradzac: when it comes to critical fixes, some developers might just update to the latest cvs, rather than try & backport the fixes [03:40] <majic> so if Breezy currently has a pre-release version of Ruby, will that mean that it cannot be updated to a final release? supposing there was alot more work to be done on it? [03:41] <ajmitch> majic: depends on bugs [03:41] <gradzac> ajmitch: true, some do that [03:41] <ajmitch> if you want the latest just because you're uncomfortable with having a prerelease, then that's probably not adequate justification for breaking the freeze [03:42] <ajmitch> but if the prerelease has real issues, then sure [03:42] <majic> ok, I'm just trying to understand the process =) [03:42] <majic> no problem [03:42] <gradzac> majic: you could always maintain your own ruby package seperate from the distribution that has the features you want [03:42] <gradzac> I do that for a debian package that I use [03:43] <majic> gradzac, yeah. Hehe once I get up to speed on packaging =) [03:43] <ajmitch> gradzac: which one is that? [03:45] <gradzac> ajmitch: madman, the version in debian is old and the arch version has a lot of new features. The debian maintainer only wants to release a new package when the upstream releases. [03:45] <ajmitch> right [03:45] <gradzac> majic: debian new maintainers guide is a great place to start [03:45] <bddebian> How the hell did xbsql end up in my unmet dep output when there is nothing in the archive?? [03:46] <ajmitch> because the debian maintainer would have to deal with the bugreports for unreleased otherwise [03:46] <majic> yeah, I've been reading through it [03:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: apt-cache showsrc xbsql kthxbye [03:47] <gradzac> ajmitch: maybe, the code in arch would actually close a lot of the bugs open against the package in BTS [03:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: in other words, the binary package is not named xbsql [03:47] <ajmitch> gradzac: but it might have a lot of other bugs [03:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye, I got that, it's libxbsql0 :-) [03:47] <gradzac> ajmitch: I doubt it, the latest code is a lot better than the packaged version [03:48] <gradzac> either way, I have my own package that I use [03:50] <gradzac> working your own package is also a good way to learn about how to build a package [03:50] <ajmitch> I learnt the hard way, by trial & error :) [03:50] <gradzac> start from someone else's example and make it into what you want [03:57] <bddebian> Hoary doesn't have modconf? Sounds fishy [03:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: why would it have modconf? [03:59] <bddebian> Why wouldn't it? Isn't that pretty common? [04:00] <ajmitch> I've never used it [04:00] <ajmitch> and I think the module loading in ubuntu is different [04:00] <bddebian> :-) [04:00] <bddebian> Ohh [04:02] <ajmitch> it might be useful, I don't know [04:05] <bddebian> Fuck, I think my HD is dying in my Stinkpad.. :-( [04:05] <ajmitch> back it up [04:05] <ajmitch> if you can [04:07] <schweeb> <3 my thinkpad [04:07] <bddebian> Frickin' lame. This is my second R31 off sleaze-bay. This one I'm typing on has a dying AC connection.. :-( [04:13] <bddebian> Damnit, just when I was getting going on UniverseUnmetDeps.. :'-( [04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: surely you've got other boxes you can use? [04:14] <bddebian> Bah, they all run Hurd. For about 5-10 minutes.. ;-P [04:14] <ajmitch> eg a spare dell with a dodgy keyboard? :) [04:14] <bddebian> Heh [04:14] <ajmitch> might as well use that, saves you having to find a box for it [04:14] <ajmitch> of course it might be a *little* slow for compilign [04:15] <bddebian> I'll just "borrow" a shiny new laptop drive from work.. ;-P [04:30] <bddebian> Yep, drive is definetely headed south... crap [04:31] <ajmitch> save what you can [04:31] <ajmitch> I managed to get 99.9% of the stuff of my laptop drive before it died [04:32] <bddebian> Not sure there is anything worthwhile on it, I've mostly been packaging stuff on it :-) [04:32] <ajmitch> only a few files lost, which were copied from my desktop anyway :) [04:37] <ajmitch> since it's been a fairly unproductive day :) [04:37] <bddebian> :-) [04:53] <ajmitch> gah, we need a newer arch-buildpackage.. [04:54] <bddebian> gah, my hard drive has died.. :'-( [04:54] <ajmitch> that's a shame [04:54] <schweeb> time for the freezer trick [04:55] <bddebian> The freezer trick? [04:56] <robitaille> bddebian: http://www.meetmyattorney.com/slink/mt-archives/000275.html [04:59] <bddebian> heh [04:59] <bddebian> And here I have been tapping drives with a screwdriver all this time [05:00] <bddebian> Oh well, I guess I'm relegated back to pr0n then.. :-) [05:00] <schweeb> I've never heard of it working like that specific incident [05:01] <schweeb> but I've has it work first hand to get data off unbootable disks on at least 3 different occasions [05:01] <bddebian> Nice [05:03] <ajmitch> impressive [05:03] <ajmitch> I'll have to try that with my next dying drive [05:03] <bddebian> Man this really irks me.. :-( [05:03] <whiprush> I've had it work twice, it really works [05:04] <chillywilly> do you guys think gnome 2.12 will make it into the breezy release? [05:04] <ajmitch> chillywilly: of course it will [05:04] <bddebian> chillywilly: If you build it it will.. ;-P [05:05] <ajmitch> 2.12 is released & uploaded to breezy about a day before preview release [05:05] <chillywilly> ok [05:05] <ajmitch> it's a definite part of the release plan [05:05] <ajmitch> happened with warty & hoary [05:05] <chillywilly> cool, I was just reading the pre-release tour notes [05:06] <chillywilly> ajmitch: do you use totem with the gstreamer backend? [05:06] <chillywilly> I have found the gstreamer backend to be subpar [05:06] <ajmitch> nope [05:06] <ajmitch> I don't use totem at all [05:07] <chillywilly> Finally, due to popular demand, audio CD copying has been added to Nautilus' CD burning functionality. [05:07] <chillywilly> yay! [05:07] <chillywilly> :) [05:07] <bddebian> heh [05:08] <bddebian> chillywilly: You are going to have to take over my tasks since my laptop has died.. ;-P [05:08] <chillywilly> okey dokey [05:09] <ajmitch> chillywilly: so hurry up & fix packages [05:09] <chillywilly> bddebian task #1 - Slacking [05:09] <ajmitch> you've got a quota to fill, you know [05:09] <chillywilly> bddebian task #1 - IRC Harassment [05:09] <bddebian> chillywilly: lol [05:09] <chillywilly> erm, #2 [05:09] <chillywilly> bddebian task #3 - Sarcastic Inappropriate Jokes on #ubuntu-motu [05:10] <ajmitch> you've already got #3 down [05:10] <chillywilly> those truly are hard shoes to fill ;) [05:10] <bddebian> chillywilly: moi??? :-) [05:10] <chillywilly> ajmitch: you betcha [05:10] <chillywilly> why do you think we get along so well :) [05:10] <bddebian> Man, now I'm even getting lambasted by chillywilly [05:10] <chillywilly> haha [05:12] <ajmitch> chillywilly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps is a good place to start working thanks [05:12] <chillywilly> gnome 2.12 looks cool [05:12] <bddebian> Man, am I really that annoying? [05:12] <chillywilly> ajmitch: there's plenty of stuff I can do for work too ;) [05:12] <ajmitch> bddebian: nope, that's just chillywilly [05:12] <chillywilly> :-o [05:12] <chillywilly> take that back ajmitch [05:12] <chillywilly> geez, my internet really blows tonight [05:12] <chillywilly> that wiki page still hasn't loaded yet [05:12] <ajmitch> chillywilly: you may have taken it the wrong way :) [05:12] <chillywilly> ah, silly SSL certs [05:13] <ajmitch> I meant that you just like harassing bddebian [05:13] <chillywilly> oh [05:13] <chillywilly> yea, it's fun [05:13] <ajmitch> but it doesn't get universe fixed, so get to work [05:13] <chillywilly> so do you buil the pbuilder environment for breezy? [05:13] <ajmitch> chillywilly: yes [05:13] <chillywilly> alrighty then [05:14] <ajmitch> though I often don't use pbuilder because I'm lazy [05:14] <chillywilly> *gasp* [05:15] <chillywilly> what's zorp bddebian ? [05:15] <chillywilly> never heard of it ;) [05:15] <bddebian> Me either :-) [05:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: btw, why do you put up debdiffs for packages that only need rebuilds? [05:16] <bddebian> Because I changed the changelog [05:16] <ajmitch> yes, but it's just a rebuild [05:16] <bddebian> Should I not bother? That is why I asked earlier [05:16] <chillywilly> last edited 2005-08-03 02:09:23 by Bddebian [05:16] <bddebian> chillywilly: ?? [05:16] <chillywilly> uh oh...;) [05:17] <bddebian> Oh, UniverseUnmetDeps? [05:17] <ajmitch> well, the debdiff has far more than just changelog stuff [05:17] <ajmitch> yes, unmet deps [05:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: For which? [05:17] <ajmitch> xbsql [05:17] <ajmitch> lots of config.* junk [05:17] <bddebian> Aye, I don't get why [05:18] <bddebian> W00t, saved my home dir without the freezer :-) [05:18] <ajmitch> because they get modified by the build process [05:18] <chillywilly> bddebian: you don't have a desktop machine? [05:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: zeiberbude should be -2ubuntu1, not -2build2 [05:19] <bddebian> chillywilly: Not for Ubuntu yet. They are all Hurd or XP boxes :-) [05:19] <ajmitch> since you made changes [05:19] <bddebian> sheesh [05:19] <chillywilly> why is the PBuilderHowTo page missing? [05:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: also, you don't need to add build-essential to build-depends [05:20] <ajmitch> chillywilly: case-sensitive? [05:20] <ajmitch> PbuilderHowTo works for me [05:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did I do that or was it already there? [05:20] <chillywilly> well that's lame [05:21] <chillywilly> hmmm, you have to register on launchpad.net? [05:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: your debdiff has that change [05:21] <bddebian> I don't think I would ever add a build-dep for build-essential so that sounds fishy [05:21] <chillywilly> is launchpad.net like a authentication web service thing? [05:21] <chillywilly> s/a/an/ [05:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: then it's probably the evil cdbs & control.in [05:22] <ajmitch> chillywilly: launchpad is pure crack [05:22] <chillywilly> wth does that mean? [05:22] <bddebian> This is why I don't like debdiff [05:22] <ajmitch> chillywilly: insanity run amok [05:22] <ajmitch> chillywilly: it's where things like the bugtracker & various other services live [05:22] <ajmitch> a number of which aren't live yet [05:23] <chillywilly> ok [05:23] <ajmitch> so yeah, I think you do need to register on launchpad, as it's the central site for everything [05:23] <chillywilly> well I have a login already... [05:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: I hope you don't mind me picking out these issues :) [05:26] <robitaille> note: they had problem earlier with launchpad...so some things don't work in it for the next few hours [05:26] <ajmitch> robitaille: wonderful news.. [05:27] <robitaille> including malone bug reports :) [05:27] <ajmitch> I'm logged into the wiki at the moment, so I think they may have cleared up [05:27] <ajmitch> heh [05:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, I need to know [05:27] <ajmitch> since I installed it a couple of days ago [05:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: Can I just use diff then? [05:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: hmm? how would diff be different from debdiff? [05:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: I can control diff ;-P [05:30] <chillywilly> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowTo <-- that doesn't work for me either [05:30] <ajmitch> chillywilly: strange, what does it complain about? [05:30] <ajmitch> since I have that page open [05:30] <chillywilly> just says it doesn't exist basically [05:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: can you confirm that bluez-utils is installable? [05:31] <chillywilly> it's PbuilderHowto [05:32] <ajmitch> oh wel [05:33] <ajmitch> gah, you ahd to edit it while I had it open... [05:34] <chillywilly> I've never really used a wiki much before [05:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Give me a sec [05:34] <ajmitch> it means that I had to resolve conflicts [05:35] <chillywilly> big deal [05:35] <ajmitch> and that you ignored the warning that someone was editing it :) [05:35] <chillywilly> wtf does it say that? [05:36] <chillywilly> my bad [05:36] <chillywilly> like I said I am not used to using a wiki ;) [05:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yep, installs fine here [05:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: ok, I took it off the list [05:37] <ajmitch> might as well get the list down as small as possible [05:37] <bddebian> Aye [05:39] <ajmitch> ah, I see it was a suggests on bluez-firmware [05:39] <ajmitch> we need to clear that list of junk entries [05:41] <bddebian> SUggests shouldn't be on there?? Hmm [05:41] <ajmitch> no, I don't think so [05:42] <ajmitch> since it shouldn't cause issues for a user [05:42] <bddebian> No, I mean, THEY shouldn't be. I generated the list :-) [05:42] <ajmitch> using what command? [05:43] <bddebian> The one dholback posted on the wiki, plus some perl voodoo to put it in the "correct" format [05:44] <ajmitch> which doesn't take into account depends or suggests [05:44] <ajmitch> it just takes the whole list [05:44] <bddebian> Hmm, it doesn -v Suggests ? [05:44] <ajmitch> I may be wrong [05:45] <chillywilly> do I need to build a hoary chrtto env then just change the lines to breezya dn sit-upgrade? [05:45] <chillywilly> dist* [05:45] <chillywilly> chroot* [05:45] <ajmitch> I didn't see any mention of suggests on the page [05:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hmm, I don't see that now that you mention it [05:45] <ajmitch> chillywilly: that is probably a good way to do it [05:45] <chillywilly> ok [05:48] <chillywilly> bah [05:50] <chillywilly> E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/archive/dists/hoary/Release [05:50] <chillywilly> pbuilder: debootstrap failed [05:51] <ajmitch> works for me [05:51] <chillywilly> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Release [05:51] <ajmitch> perhaps you have broken intarweb [05:51] <chillywilly> that looks to be the proper URL [05:51] <ajmitch> ah right.. [05:51] <ajmitch> so how'd you manage to break debootstrap like that? [05:52] <chillywilly> no clue... [05:52] <chillywilly> didn't follow the directions properly [05:52] <chillywilly> :) [05:53] <chillywilly> fixed it in my pbuilderrc file [05:53] <chillywilly> it's building now [05:55] <chillywilly> bah, I probably need to add a universe line via the OTHERMIRROR config var [05:55] <chillywilly> or can I just screw with the chroot env? [05:55] <chillywilly> ah, I have all the same repo lines [05:56] <chillywilly> duh [06:02] <crimsun> I presume you really don't want to save the breezy dist-upgrade? [06:02] <chillywilly> yea that would be nice ;) [06:02] <chillywilly> so do it outside the pbuilder login crap? [06:03] <crimsun> I don't know your intent, but I presume you know all changes made after pbuilder login are discarded. [06:03] <chillywilly> now I know :) [06:04] <crimsun> you need to use --override-config with an updated sources.list if you want to dist-upgrade to breezy. [06:04] <bddebian> hehe [06:06] <chillywilly> well, ok right now I have a haory chroot...how can I I upgrade to breezy? [06:07] <bddebian> Replace all instances of hoary with breezy and pbuilder update --distribution breezy --override-config [06:07] <chillywilly> ok [06:11] <chillywilly> upgrading... [06:11] <chillywilly> this is fun [06:22] <chillywilly> danielb@frodo:/var/cache/pbuilder/result$ ls -l [06:22] <chillywilly> total 248 [06:22] <chillywilly> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 107274 2005-08-02 23:22 alexandria_0.5.1-3_all.deb [06:22] <chillywilly> that was fun I guess ;) [06:24] <bddebian> w0000t [06:24] <bddebian> Of course it was, you know it was :-) [06:24] <chillywilly> well I am assuming there's a lot more involved then jsut rebuilding it straight away? [06:24] <chillywilly> :) [06:25] <chillywilly> like changing the package info or changelog or something [06:25] <bddebian> Depends on what the problem is. Many of them are just rebuilds :-) [06:25] <chillywilly> doesn't matter that is talks about debian and unstable in the .changes file? [06:26] <chillywilly> bittorrent outta be fun [06:26] <chillywilly> bittornado too ;) [06:26] <bddebian> .changes? or changelog? [06:27] <chillywilly> .changes [06:27] <bddebian> Hmm [06:27] <chillywilly> when you say rebuild you mean just pulling the source straight form the breezy repo then issuing the rebuild with sudo pbuilder build whatever.dsc? [06:28] <chillywilly> btw, I don't even see aboot or ace [06:28] <bddebian> Well I'm a little whacky. I usually use dpkg-buildpackage :-) [06:28] <bddebian> even in apt-cache showsrc ? [06:28] <chillywilly> dunno [06:29] <chillywilly> yea it's there [06:29] <chillywilly> heheh [06:29] <chillywilly> I don't know all the nifty developers commands yet ;) [06:30] <chillywilly> so you were runing breezy natively then? [06:31] <chillywilly> ace source package is only in hoary it seems [06:31] <bddebian> Of course :-) [06:31] <chillywilly> well alexandria had an updated version in breezy [06:32] <chillywilly> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/ace [06:34] <chillywilly> it's the same package in hoary and breezy [06:34] <bddebian> Doesn't surprise me [06:35] <chillywilly> so wht changes have you had to make to packages? [06:35] <chillywilly> anything? [06:35] <bddebian> Have you looked at my spot on the wiki?? :-) [06:36] <chillywilly> your personal page or the on the unmet deps page? [06:36] <chillywilly> one on the [06:36] <bddebian> UnmetDeps [06:37] <chillywilly> ic [06:38] <chillywilly> nevermind then :) [06:38] <bddebian> Of course ajmitch is telling me that I'm doing it all wrong :-) [06:38] <chillywilly> oh, that's nice [06:38] <chillywilly> what are you doing wrong? [06:39] <bddebian> debdiffs aren't quite right. Wrong changelog entries, etc :-) [06:39] <chillywilly> so you never built zorp? [06:39] <chillywilly> a bug needs to be fixed upstream? [06:40] <chillywilly> arg [06:40] <chillywilly> this thing failed to build :) [06:41] <chillywilly> oh yaya [06:41] <chillywilly> yay [06:41] <chillywilly> c++ templates [06:43] <bddebian> heh [06:43] <chillywilly> basically everyone is hacking these packages so that they build with a new gcc, right? [06:44] <bddebian> Most of that has already been done. But some of it affected the depends [06:44] <chillywilly> well I got a compile error when attempting to build ace [06:44] <chillywilly> :) [06:44] <bddebian> Anway, sorry to bail on you but I have to get to bed. Good luck, enjoy, and welcome to the fold.. ;-) [06:44] <chillywilly> ok [07:02] <dabaR> hi, do you guys know if aptitude is installed on default ubuntu install? [07:03] <ajmitch> yes, it is [07:03] <Lathiat> dabaR: yes, its installed by ubuntu-minimal [07:03] <dabaR> ok, cool./ [07:03] <dabaR> thanks. [07:03] <ajmitch> heh [10:58] <ajmitch> hi koke [10:58] <koke> hi all! :) [10:59] <jsgotangco> hi [10:59] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco [10:59] <ajmitch> what's up? [11:00] <jsgotangco> oh my dsl just normalized again [11:00] <jsgotangco> after a few days of outage [11:03] <ajmitch> I'm finally getting a dsl upgrade to 2Mbps next week [11:04] <jsgotangco> how much would that cost? [11:12] <ajmitch> an extra $15 NZ a month [11:12] <ajmitch> from 256Kbps [11:12] <ajmitch> so 8x the speed, for about 25% more [11:14] <koke> ajmitch: which is the base price?? :) [11:14] <ajmitch> $50 NZ a month for a dead slow connection :) [11:15] <ajmitch> or about $30 USD, iirc [11:15] <koke> ouch, and I thought here was bad [11:15] <ajmitch> you think sydney was bad...? ;) [11:15] <koke> no, Spain [11:16] <ajmitch> yeah I know [11:16] <ajmitch> but NZ is most similar to australia [11:16] <ajmitch> except a few years behind :) [11:16] <koke> now they are doubling bandwith from time to time [11:16] <koke> I think they want to sell TV over IP [11:16] <ajmitch> they're only increasing here because the government is putting pressure on them [11:18] <ajmitch> so next week I might be able to download packages a bit quicker :) [11:19] <koke> now there are offers for 4096/512 at ~ $40 [11:19] <ajmitch> we might get that in 10 years [11:20] <koke> last year we had 256/128 for the same prce [11:21] <ajmitch> that's what I'm currently using [11:21] <koke> and last moths popular connections were 512/128 or 1024/300 [11:21] <koke> the upload rates are quite odd [11:22] <koke> given that half of the people waste their bandwith with emule and other P2Ps [11:22] <ajmitch> they've capped the upload rates very low here [11:23] <koke> so patience for uploading packages :) [11:24] <ajmitch> lots.. [11:24] <ajmitch> I just have to upload diffs :) [11:33] <ajmitch> ah fun, wx2.4 transition... [11:34] <mbreit> ajmitch: most items on that list are wx issues... [11:36] <ajmitch> time for me to do some fixing then [11:36] <mbreit> i am working on the unmet deps list too, but skipping the wx issues ;) [11:37] <ajmitch> I'll attack the wx issues :) [11:37] <mbreit> great [11:39] <mbreit> btw: it seems that gtkmm needs a rebuild (again...) [11:43] <\sh> mbreit: but 2.59 [11:44] <ajmitch> I should really split this gnue packaging, it's a bit ugly [11:44] <mbreit> \sh: does not work with 2.59... gives "undefined macro: AC_Dest" [11:44] <mbreit> google told me to use 2.52.. [11:45] <\sh> mbreit: fix it [11:45] <\sh> 2.52 is obsolete [11:50] <mbreit> i really hate those auto* magic... [11:51] <\sh> mbreit: yes :) everybody [11:52] <mbreit> btw: just if someone asks... i am mo42... just changed my nick [12:18] <pete> good morning :) [12:22] <mbreit> \sh: the problem seems to be in the admin/ directory copied from kde-common/admin... and has not been fixed in the kde svn.. [12:23] <mbreit> and i really do not understand the magic that they are doing there... [12:27] <mbreit> \sh: forget what i said, seems to work now [12:43] <ajmitch> hmm, new bochs version uploaded to sid, should I break UVF for it? [12:43] <ajmitch> since it needs rebuilt anyway :) [12:43] <siretart> ajmitch: does it fix any bugs? how many reverse depends does it have [12:43] <siretart> ? [12:44] <ajmitch> siretart: yes it fixes bugs, and it's an app, not a lib [12:45] <ajmitch> oh, and it fixes compilation for g++ 4.0 properly :) [12:45] <siretart> well, that I would consider important :) [12:45] <siretart> so, go on and update it! :) [12:47] <ajmitch> yay [12:50] <siretart> looking at bochs changelog, we really should have it for breezy [12:51] <ajmitch> certainly [12:52] <ajmitch> I'm just fighting with the debian mirrors to actually give me the source [01:13] <Mez> logjam needs a rebuild [01:13] <Mez> (c2 transitipon [01:13] <Mez> would do it myself, but i dont see the point if I dont have upload [01:50] <alisher> Hello, I have a question. The new version of Lyx 1.3.6 has just been released. The version in Universe is 1.3.4 and 1.5 years old. The packages build from tarball work good, how can the new version be added to Universe? [01:51] <ogra> alisher, if its in debian, we can easily sync it [01:52] <alisher> I think the version in debian is also old. I used http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Linux .diff file and have all the packages working good in Ubuntu [01:52] <ogra> if it wont enter debian in time, you have the opportunity to find a MOTU who packages and uploads it... [01:52] <alisher> I think in Debian is same old version [01:53] <ogra> alisher, in any case it would be nice if you could clerify for when a debian update is planned... [01:53] <ogra> clearify even [01:53] <ogra> ...they are probably working on a update already [01:54] <alisher> I see. Do I have to ask at #debian-monu, or can you give me the address I have to ask at? [01:54] <ogra> if t wont be in time, there is no problem adding it, if you either find a MOTU to help you packaging and uploading or convince hom even to do all this for you [01:55] <ogra> alisher, the maintainer can be found in the debian package description... you can also find it in the details page if you search for lyx at packages.debian.org [01:57] <alisher> thank you, i will go and try to ask the debian maintener [01:58] <alisher> anyway, the packeges I compiled at Ubuntu using http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Linux .diff file work just fine [01:58] <alisher> Thank you once more [02:01] <ogra> alisher, does it work in a pbuilder and is it lintian clean ? [02:01] <ogra> alisher, make sure these two things work for you... [02:01] <ogra> then it would be ready for inclusion (after some reviews for 3 MOTUs) [02:02] <mbreit> alisher: try to replace the xlibs-dev build-dependency [02:03] <mbreit> it is depricated and should not be used iirc [02:04] <ogra> Edubuntu Meeting starting in #ubuntu-meeting [02:04] <ogra> in case someone is intereased [02:08] <alisher> ok I will try it with lintian first [03:46] <bddebian> Hello [03:49] <mbreit> hi bddebian [03:49] <bddebian> Hello mbreit [03:59] <CarlFK> E: Build-Depends dependency for transcode cannot be satisfied because the package libdivxencore0 cannot be found - I can't find it either. - whos problem is this? [04:20] <bddebian> CarlFK: Is there something else that meets that? I.E. libdivxencore0c2 or anything? Sorry I don't have my session handy [04:46] <siretart> a friend asks for some ubuntu banners for his website, are there any out there? [04:50] <infinito> siretart: it's supposed that there are banners here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerBanners [04:51] <infinito> siretart: but i think they don't work.... [04:53] <siretart> infinito: yes, they seem to be gone with the wiki move :( [04:55] <bddebian> So fix it (tm) [04:56] <bddebian> :-) [04:56] <siretart> sure, can you find me the banners, then :P [04:56] <bddebian> fng.. hehehe, good nick :-) [04:57] <fng> thnx [04:57] <infinito> siretart: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebsiteButtons [04:57] <siretart> infinito: thank you! [04:58] <infinito> siretart: welcome! [05:00] <infinito> just one stupid question... when do pkgs in MOTUToSync get synced? [05:01] <CarlFK> bddebian - I can't find libdivxencore anything [05:01] <bddebian> CarlFK: Hmm OK. [05:04] <bddebian> CarlFK: Man, you are right, there is nothing even related.. [05:09] <bddebian> CarlFK: There isn't even anything in Debian. Hmm [05:14] <incomplete> Hi, I don't know if mine is considered as an On Topic question here, tell me if it isn't: is it possible to compile the libcairo breezy package in hoary? i.e. adjusting the dependicies. [05:20] <bddebian> incomplete: It is certainly "possible" but not advised [05:21] <incomplete> bddebian, I in fact need it, as the last version. I thought it would have been better to debianize it instead of install from the sources: .debs are easily removable. [05:23] <incomplete> The breezy package is The Right One: 0.6.0, in this (latest as now) release they finished making changes in the API (apart from additions) until the 1.0. I'm working on the Haskell cairo bindings and I _need_ it :-) [05:25] <incomplete> I can't use the breezy one directly because of the libc, et all. [05:28] <incomplete> Upgrading to breezy is also not advised, IIUC. [05:28] <siretart> infinito: as soon as they are reviewed by daniel or oliver and forwarded to elmo [05:28] <infinito> siretart: maybe before feature freeze? [05:31] <siretart> preferably [05:33] <incomplete> Any hints? [05:34] <bddebian> incomplete: Not really unfortunately. I'm a little new to the game myself. :-) You could try to contact someone in the backports team but if libc is an issue, that is a biggie. [05:34] <incomplete> I don't think it is. It is for the breezy package because breezy itself has a new libc, but if I'm compiling it on my hoary it would not be a problem. [05:35] <mbreit> a simple rebuild should work... but it will break all applications which are linked to cairo [05:35] <incomplete> mbreit, there aren't many at the moment, I think. [05:36] <incomplete> mbreit, could you please explain to me how to do the rebuild? [05:36] <mbreit> evince as an example [05:36] <mbreit> sure.. [05:36] <mbreit> goto some empty directory... [05:36] <siretart> incomplete: backporting an essential lib like libcairo is not trivial. in fact doing it properly is not feasible in many cases and should generaly avoided. [05:37] <siretart> incomplete: it would probably best if you could wait the remaining 3 months for breezy becoming stable [05:37] <mbreit> siretart: sure, it will break existing applications which are linked to that.. but other then that? [05:37] <incomplete> I can't, I'm doing this for the Google Summer of Code... and the deadline is 1st of September <http://haskell.org/gtk2hs/> [05:38] <mbreit> incomplete: you could install breezy in a chroot or in vmware... [05:39] <incomplete> hmm. [05:39] <mbreit> i use breezy for my everyday work, it is not THAT unstable (but... unstable *g*) [05:39] <siretart> incomplete: in your case, I would recommend installing your needed libs manually to /usr/local [05:42] <incomplete> mbreit, how about X? [05:42] <siretart> mbreit: is Xorg in breezy usable again? does xkb work? [05:42] <ogra> siretart, xkb works here... [05:42] <mbreit> yes, it is usable (apart of the missing v4l module *g*) [05:42] <siretart> because of my thesis, I'm still on hoary, because I need a stable system [05:43] <ogra> but it took me half a day to get a working config yesterday after the upgrade [05:43] <mbreit> but in some cases, you have to fix something to get it running [05:43] <ogra> i resorted to the livecd config in the end [05:43] <incomplete> Is there a breezy livecd? [05:44] <ogra> so dont use breezys X with nvidia card and stupid wxga lcd if you dont have a lvecd around :) [05:44] <ogra> incomplete, i used the hoary one [05:44] <incomplete> I'm on a laptop with nvidia card, argh :) [05:44] <ogra> it worked out of the box at 1024x786 [05:45] <ogra> but my panel is totally blurry at this :( [05:45] <incomplete> By the way, evince seem to run, even without the libcairo1 package. [05:45] <mbreit> would a chroot be an option? then you can use your hoary x server but you can use all breezy libs and apps... [05:45] <siretart> oh. hm. I would need the nvidia module, I assume that means there is no linux-restricted-modules available yet, is there? [05:45] <incomplete> In fact it seem to not depend on cairo. [05:46] <ogra> nope [05:46] <ogra> siretart, nv doesnt work for you ? [05:46] <siretart> ogra: I have a nvidia 6600 gt, I don't think so [05:48] <incomplete> GeForce4 440 Go 64M here [05:48] <ogra> hmm, i thought all nvidia cards should work in 2d with nv... [05:49] <siretart> I never tried, actually. the hoary installer installed with nvidia config. that why I make that assumption [05:49] <ogra> huh ? [05:49] <CarlFK> bddebian - $ apt-cache policy libdivxencore0 ... ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid/main Packages [05:49] <ogra> never... [05:50] <CarlFK> what is the apt/sources like to use that? [05:50] <ogra> we dont install the nvidia module by dafault... you wont get it without explicitly installing nvidia-glx [05:50] <bddebian> CarlFK: You got that from your Ubuntu box? [05:51] <siretart> yes? hm. then I have to recheck [05:51] <CarlFK> bddebian - no, I got that from an email from Christian Marillat ;) [05:51] <siretart> maybe my memory fools me [05:51] <bddebian> CarlFK: Ahh :-) [05:51] <ogra> probably... else something is wrong with the installer on your CD ;) [05:52] <siretart> hehe := [05:52] <siretart> ;) [05:52] <bddebian> CarlFK: I think someone would have to bring libdivxencore0 into the archive for you to even fix that properly. But don't quote me. :-) [05:52] <CarlFK> bddebian - so I am guessing if I add "that" to my sources I could at least get tc to build [05:53] <incomplete> siretart, do you think the lib will be simply removable installing in /usr/local ? Would it be cleaner to install it (and its dependicies, maybe) in /opt ? [05:53] <CarlFK> bddebian - trying to get it to work at all, then I will figure out how to get it to do it right [05:53] <bddebian> CarlFK: Fair enough [05:53] <siretart> CarlFK: you are interested in a working transcode for breezy? thats on our topic for the MOTUMedia team. you are welcome to help :) [05:54] <CarlFK> siretart - yup. i kinda fell into it [05:54] <siretart> incomplete: if you install it with --prefix=/opt/libcairo/ or --prefix=/usr/local/libcairo, why not? [05:54] <siretart> CarlFK: great! [05:54] <incomplete> siretart, I'm wondering how would you proceed for an uninstallation, just in case. [05:55] <siretart> incomplete: rm -rf /opt/libcairo ;) [05:55] <CarlFK> tc is a sticky one. the devs attitude is: you figur out what you need, then build what you need from source [05:55] <bddebian> CarlFK: ? [05:55] <siretart> CarlFK: I don't think that I will find time before next week to look into this. It would be a great help to know, which dependencies of trancode need to be fixed in breezy [05:56] <incomplete> siretart, sorry, I missed the "libcairo/" part before. [05:56] <siretart> incomplete: you may also use /opt/libcairo-<version> [05:57] <incomplete> I'm trying, thank you very much. [05:57] <incomplete> (You all) .-) [06:21] <incomplete> /opt/libcairo-0.6.0/lib: [06:21] <incomplete> libcairo.so.1 -> libcairo.so.1.0.0 [06:21] <incomplete> Cool :) [06:42] <siretart> incomplete: :) [06:45] <bddebian> shiite, the MOTU meeting is at 6:00pm EDT? [06:47] <ogra> bddebian, nope, 24:00 CEST :) [06:48] <incomplete> siretart, do you know how to handle pkg-config well? [06:48] <bddebian> ogra: Bah, don't confuse me, I'm confused enough :-) [06:49] <bddebian> If it's at 6, I'm screwed :'-( [06:50] <incomplete> siretart, nevermind, got it. [06:56] <siretart> ok [06:58] <CarlFK> http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/38 - Package libavifile-0.7-dev has broken dep on libavifile-0.7 [06:58] <CarlFK> um... shouldn't there be a reason why it failed? [07:03] <siretart> (111) Connection refused [07:03] <siretart> CarlFK: have you checked the buildlogs? [07:06] <CarlFK> um, what build logs? [07:08] <siretart> see http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont [07:08] <CarlFK> ah, those. yes. [07:17] <bddebian> CarlFK: Didn't I already touch that one? [07:18] <CarlFK> bddebian - yesterdays sugestion (not sure who) was apt-get build-dep libavifile-0.7 [07:18] <CarlFK> did that, no help. [07:20] <CarlFK> store time - be back in 20 [07:20] <bddebian> CarlFK: I meant, I thought I had that problem before recently.. I'm loosing my mind :-) [07:27] <bddebian> Anyone here an Oracle expert? :-) [07:31] <zAo^> how can I get Totem in my Empiphany in stead of Mplayer (Breezy)? Thanks [07:48] <CarlFK> bddebian - any idea how you might have solved it? [07:49] <bddebian> No, I am currently beating my head against my desk so I am useless atm.. :'-( [07:53] <CarlFK> maybe we should do that togeter [08:11] <bddebian> CarlFK: :-) [08:12] <sivang> bddebian: why do you need an oracle expert? [08:14] <bddebian> sivang: I need to find spaces in a field and remove them :) Like s/' '// ;-P [08:14] <sivang> bddebian: ah [08:16] <CarlFK> bddebian - not that I am a fan of stupid field names, but it may be easier to fix the client [08:16] <bddebian> CarlFK: It isn't my software :-) And I'd LOVE to "fix" the user ;-) [08:17] <CarlFK> lol [08:17] <CarlFK> i hear ya [08:59] <bddebian> Bah, you all suck: "update foo set bar = REPLACE(bar, ' ', '');" [08:59] <bddebian> :-) [09:20] <siretart> n'evening, folks [09:21] <bddebian> Heya siretart [09:23] <siretart> now with korean keyboard in my laptop *g* [09:26] <siretart> huhu dholbach! [09:26] <dholbach> hellas [09:26] <siretart> ooouzoo! :) [09:32] <bddebian> Heya dholbach [09:32] <dholbach> hey barry [09:34] <CarlFK> bddebian - oh damm - I thought you meant spaces in the field name [09:39] <bddebian> CarlFK: Oohh :-) [09:43] <bddebian> So can anyone verify the meeting time in EDT for me? Is it really 6:00pm? :-) [09:43] <dholbach> date --utc should help you to verify [09:43] <dholbach> :) [09:44] <bddebian> dholbach: Yeah I tried that but I don't believe it :-) [09:44] <dholbach> it's 0:00 for me [09:44] <bddebian> Doh [09:44] <dholbach> and our agenda is quite long [09:45] <bddebian> Yeah, I noticed ;-) [09:45] <dholbach> but that means that MOTU is active [09:45] <dholbach> and that's what i like about it [09:45] <bddebian> Was my item dumb? [09:45] <bddebian> In other words, is it only me that has that problem? :-) [09:46] <dholbach> no, not dumb at all [09:46] <dholbach> because we have that question a lot of times [09:46] <dholbach> i wasn't aware of build<n> until very recently [09:46] <bddebian> OK [09:47] <dholbach> but we have a policy there already - we just need a very prominent place to get it out to the people :) [09:47] <bddebian> Ohh [09:47] <dholbach> so let's assume there's a debian version 1.2.3-4 and you add a fix to it [09:48] <dholbach> then you call it 1.2.3-4ubuntu1 - so you will be reminded to merge it, when there's 1.2.3-5 or 1.2.4-1 in Debian [09:48] <bddebian> Describe "fix" :-) [09:48] <dholbach> if you just rebuild it for one reason or the other, you call id 1.2.3-4build1 [09:48] <bddebian> OK [09:48] <dholbach> if you rebuild it again 1.2.3-4build2 [09:49] <dholbach> which will sync the new version and won't remind you to sync :) [09:49] <dholbach> if you have 1.2.3-4build2 in ubuntu and add a fix, you get 1.2.3-4ubuntu1 :) [09:49] <dholbach> did that make it clearer? [09:50] <bddebian> Well after several trials and errors, I think I got that much. Thanks. :-) [09:51] <dholbach> i don't know if there are any other special cases [09:51] <ogra> btw you could also call it 1.2.3-4shnubbel1 there was no real naming convention, the only important fact is that it shouldnt be -XubuntuX because the merge scripts react on that [09:51] <dholbach> bddebian: trust me, i did quite a lot wrong on the way :) [09:51] <ogra> we all did :) [09:52] <ogra> we are HUMAN ! [09:52] <dholbach> bddebian: one day i got a version completely wrong, so i'd have to add an epoch - which is bad and breaks sync-ability from debian :) [09:52] <bddebian> OK, I will start calling all my reuilds XfubarX ;-P [09:52] <dholbach> i moaned and cried on #ubuntu-devel and elmo managed to remove it, before it got processed [09:53] <dholbach> :-) [09:53] <ogra> wouldnt have been *this* worse, you only had to care for the package until debian adds a epoch themselves :-p [09:54] <dholbach> super :) [09:54] <bddebian> Well take it off the agenda then. Thanks. [09:54] <ogra> dholbach, your baobab sync ftbfs with strange errors [09:54] <dholbach> oh [09:54] <dholbach> nice [09:55] <ogra> everywhere but on i386 [09:55] <ogra> (works fine in my pbuilder, just checked [09:55] <ogra> ) [09:57] <bddebian> Heya majic [09:58] <majic> hello there [10:00] <dholbach> ouch [10:00] <dholbach> debian/rules is wrong [10:00] <dholbach> completely [10:01] <dholbach> people should use cdbs - it figures that kind of stuff out for them :) [10:01] <bddebian> How about a different phrased question. Meeting is in 2 hours? ;-P [10:01] <dholbach> yes, bddebian :) [10:01] <bddebian> Heh. gotcha. :) [10:01] <bddebian> Thx dholbach [10:01] <dholbach> de rien [10:02] <jbailey> dholbach: Your french is getting better. =) [10:02] <bddebian> What did you call me? [10:02] <bddebian> ;-) [10:02] <jbailey> bddebian: Yours is apparently not ;) [10:02] <dholbach> jbailey: you should have heard seb128 about my french [10:02] <dholbach> something about "barely understandable" [10:02] <jbailey> Ah. Maybe you were speakig Canadian French. =) [10:03] <dholbach> i was talking garbled-up french :) [10:03] <dholbach> that's one of my specialties [10:03] <jbailey> Hmm. I want my keyboard accents back. [10:03] <bddebian> jbailey: I can't speak French, I'm American.. ;-P [10:07] <bddebian> OK, I'm heading home. Hopefully I'll make it home in time for the meeting. Later gang. [10:25] <Burgundavia> ogra, ping [10:25] <ogra> Burgundavia, [10:25] <ogra> po [10:25] <ogra> ng [10:25] <ogra> or pong even [10:25] <Burgundavia> edubuntu main inclusion reports [10:25] <ogra> yeah, do you still want to go on with them ? [10:25] <Burgundavia> shall we discuss in #edubuntu? [10:26] <ogra> yup [10:27] <\sh> *yawn* [10:29] <siretart> hi \sh [10:29] <\sh> evening gentlemen [10:29] <dholbach> hellas stephan [10:30] <\sh> hey daniel :) [10:30] <\sh> robitaille: ping [10:31] <\sh> dholbach: time on saturday for a beer? duesseldorf-benrath -> bierboerse ,-) [10:31] <dholbach> \sh: absolutely not, sorry :-( [10:32] <\sh> so I have to drink a beer for every member of the MOTU team...for dholbach and ogra I have to drink 2 [10:32] <dholbach> seems to :) [10:33] <\sh> will be fun [10:33] <\sh> hehe ;) [10:33] <\sh> wow...the points on the agenda [10:34] <robitaille> \sh: pong [10:34] <\sh> robitaille: should we stick your topic to the taskforce groups as well? fixing malone bugs is also a big task [10:35] <ajmitch> morning [10:35] <dholbach> hey ajmitch :) [10:35] <\sh> ajmitch: hey how r u doing? [10:35] <ajmitch> just crawled out of bed, of course ;0 [10:36] <\sh> ajmitch: me too ;) [10:36] <robitaille> \sh: doesn't matter with me where it is on the agenda. I just want to know what the motu team wants to do with all these bugs in Malone [10:36] <\sh> robitaille: fixing in any way ,) [10:37] <\sh> dholbach: can u put me into the MOTU team on launchpad [10:38] <dholbach> erm [10:38] <ajmitch> any of us can [10:38] <dholbach> i'm not sure, that i'm its "leader" [10:38] <\sh> oh it's oliver [10:38] <ajmitch> dholbach: we're all administrators in the team [10:38] <\sh> ok...I just clicked join... [10:40] <\sh> ajmitch: add me then ;) [10:40] <ajmitch> \sh: I don't see your name anywhere :) [10:41] <\sh> launchpad name: sh-sourcecode [10:43] <ogra> checking for Win32 platform in general... no [10:43] <ogra> checking for gnuchess... no [10:43] <ogra> configure: error: Couldn't find gnuchess [10:43] <ogra> ./configure: line 24841: exit: please: numeric argument required [10:44] <ajmitch> Stephan Hermann (sh-sourcecode) was added as a member of MOTU. [10:44] <\sh> ajmitch: thx :) [10:44] <\sh> robitaille: now u can assign all the bugs to motu team *eg* [10:44] <ajmitch> hehe [10:45] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryResync [10:45] <\sh> please have a look on this list :) [10:45] <ajmitch> ogra: hmm, do you have to set \sh as admin? it says that I can but gives me no way to do so :) [10:45] <siretart> oh, could anyone add me to the motu team, too? ;) [10:45] <ajmitch> \sh: looked at it last night [10:45] <ajmitch> siretart: if you ask really nicely [10:45] <siretart> please, please pretty please :) [10:45] <ogra> ajmitch, no idea, i'll look at it [10:45] <ajmitch> & forward some $$ to my bank account :) [10:46] <siretart> hehe [10:48] <ajmitch> Reinhard Tartler (siretart) was added as a member of MOTU. [10:49] <siretart> thanks! :) [10:49] <\sh> ajmitch: can u put my name in the middle of the members list? I don't like to be on top ,-) [10:50] <ajmitch> \sh: complain to the launchpad hackers [10:50] <\sh> well...the team lead must always be on top [10:51] <ajmitch> since I did an upload with unstable in the changelog, then with breezy 2 min later ;) [10:53] <ajmitch> yay, jbailey uploaded bzr [10:53] <jbailey> ajmitch: Stalker. [10:53] <\sh> ajmitch: source uploads? [10:53] <ajmitch> \sh: of course [10:53] <\sh> hmmm [10:53] <ajmitch> jbailey: I read breezy-changes [10:54] <ajmitch> jbailey: stalking is me using your daily builds as well :) [10:54] <\sh> and very good...xfce4 is in [11:01] <herzi> dholbach: ping [11:01] <dholbach> herzi: opng [11:01] <dholbach> pong [11:01] <herzi> dholbach: may i wish an ubuntu package? [11:01] <herzi> http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul [11:02] <dholbach> herzi: i'm working on it and it's still in the review queue [11:02] <herzi> you've got preview packages? [11:02] <dholbach> the new utspream version has some trouble also and the cvs version's buildsystem is fucked up [11:02] <dholbach> it's on http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/index.py [11:03] <ajmitch> we need to get that queue smaller :) [11:03] <ajmitch> dholbach: when's the next review day planned for? [11:03] <dholbach> you will have to make the date without me [11:03] <ajmitch> :'( [11:03] <ajmitch> 2 weeks from now? [11:03] <dholbach> i'll be available from 05. sept. on again [11:04] <dholbach> add it to the agenda [11:04] <ajmitch> how about a review day every 2-3 weeks? [11:04] <dholbach> we need review days every day [11:04] <ajmitch> yeah [11:04] <dholbach> the review days nowadays are just to catch up [11:04] <dholbach> training new MOTUs is WAY important [11:05] <herzi> dholbach: try once a week (every eight days), so others can joind more easily [11:05] <dholbach> herzi: we could do that [11:05] <dholbach> herzi: but for me in a month :) [11:05] <ajmitch> it's on the agenda [11:06] <\sh> and I'm burned out. [11:06] <herzi> search for "gnome bug day" and you'll get an example of a working thing [11:06] <\sh> herzi: we have bug days [11:06] <ajmitch> \sh: we can pick up from here :) [11:07] <ajmitch> but there are enough of us around now to do something useful [11:07] <\sh> right now, we have a lot to do in the office..and it's no fun to get up in the night and doing some stuff on DTV hardware :( it's a mess [11:08] <\sh> it looks like that the shareware versions of the SA kryptons is running out :( [11:08] <\sh> s/is/are/ [11:09] <\sh> when I'm older I'll write a book about the digital tv cable provider business...yes [11:10] <ajmitch> eevil [11:11] <ajmitch> time to beat around the debian maintainer of gnue-forms, what an idiot.. [11:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: don't be too hard with him :-p [11:12] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'll bring him back in good enough shape to handle UnmetDeps ;) [11:12] <dholbach> hehe [11:22] <ogra> ajmitch, erm, what had to be done for audacity ? i run it fine since it built on the new wx lib [11:22] <ogra> i.e. since the weekend [11:23] <majic> what is the preferred method of building packages? I've been playing around with pbuilder. [11:23] <ogra> pbuilder is right... [11:23] <ogra> and if you want, a chroot for testing the binary [11:24] <majic> so does pbuilder create a chroot for itself (for building purposes?) [11:24] <\sh> yes [11:24] <\sh> and it cleans itself after build [11:24] <siretart> majic: yes. it keeps a base tarball with the chroot and build the package inside that chroot [11:25] <\sh> and have all fetched packages in the right cache [11:25] <siretart> majic: that way you always have a 'clean' chroot [11:25] <majic> the tutorial on the ubuntu website for pbuilder mentions doing a "pbuilder update" after each build. Is this needed? [11:25] <siretart> \sh: :) [11:26] <siretart> majic: pbuilder update updates that base tarball. [11:26] <siretart> majic: you need it for keeping the packages inside your chroot up to date. once a day should really be sufficent [11:26] <dholbach> majic: not really, but if you do regular updates, you'll see when you need it (new gcc or new xlibs, whatever you might want to have for your package) [11:26] <majic> ok [11:26] <janimonoses> any of you using the regular apt cache for pbuilder as well? [11:28] <dholbach> janimonoses: no, sorry [11:29] <janimonoses> hmm, that's why I keep postponing pbuilder :) It wants to dl too much [11:30] <\sh> hmmm...anyone tried to build some wx2.4 build-dep apps with wx2.6? [11:30] <ogra> janimonoses, use --aptcacache ;) (man pbuilder) [11:30] <janimonoses> ogra, I think I tried but it still wanted to go on the net [11:30] <janimonoses> I'll retry [11:31] <ogra> \sh, that cant work... its a different api afaik [11:31] <dholbach> Riddell: umbrello is making fun of me! [11:31] <ogra> janimonoses, it must got on the net for stuff thats not in the cache [11:31] <ajmitch> ogra: as you can see I just uploaded a rebuild for audacity [11:32] <dholbach> Riddell: whatever i do, it refuses to draw straight, orthogonal lines in the .eps :) [11:32] <janimonoses> anybody seen an error like pkg-config failing in a build on the servers even though the package is installed as required in the BD? [11:32] <\sh> ogra: the last xchm merge was for 2.6 and actually I changed it to use 2.4 and it worked...so it should be downward compatible [11:32] <ogra> ajmitch, but the former version was fine, thats why i'm asking [11:32] <ajmitch> ogra: not for me - it ran fine until I tried to install it :) [11:32] <ogra> ajmitch, i'm running it here since monday [11:32] <\sh> and now I can upload xchm with 2.6 build-deps ,-) [11:32] <dholbach> Riddell: forget what i said - i tricked it :) [11:33] <ajmitch> ogra: libwxgtk2.4c2 became libwxgtk2.4-1 [11:33] <ajmitch> so it needed a rebuild [11:33] <ajmitch> the SONAME change happened on the 19th, last audacity build was before then [11:33] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, but it already was rebuilt i think... it wasnt installable on friday here, but on monday it was [11:34] <\sh> ajmitch: why that? [11:34] <ajmitch> on my up-to-date chroot it showed a depends on libwxgtk2.4c2 [11:34] <ajmitch> \sh: hmm? [11:34] <\sh> also no C++ exported stuff? [11:34] <\sh> ajmitch: 23:33 < ajmitch> ogra: libwxgtk2.4c2 became libwxgtk2.4-1 [11:34] <ajmitch> \sh: ask the debian maintainer or doko for that one :) [11:35] <ajmitch> doko's been handling the wx packages [11:35] <ogra> ajmitch, audacity (1.2.3-1build1) breezy; urgency=low [11:35] <ogra> * Rebuild for new C++ ABI [11:35] <ogra> -- Matthias Klose <doko@ubuntu.com> Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:18:46 +0000 [11:35] <ajmitch> ogra: yes, and the SONAME changed since then [11:35] <ajmitch> so it needed another rebuild [11:36] <\sh> ajmitch: yes I read the changelog...was synced back from debian [11:36] <ogra> that rebuild was eternally waiting on the buildd until the new wx was available [11:36] <\sh> ogra: forget those...I think we have to rebuild some of dokos rebuild again [11:36] <ajmitch> \sh: we do, that's what I'm doing [11:37] <\sh> hmmm..I wonder if elmo merged my key for main...lets try again ,-) [11:37] <ajmitch> ogra: the audacity rebuild binary was available for me [11:37] <ogra> \sh i'm just a bit worried, i have to demote audacity to main... as well as the other edubuntu stuff [11:37] <ajmitch> ogra: why? [11:37] <ajmitch> ogra: -1build1 is on the mirrors, so it must have built fine [11:37] <ogra> because its in the default install of edubuntu-desktop [11:37] <ogra> ajmitch, it has [11:38] <ajmitch> so that's why you're grilling me over that :) [11:38] <\sh> ogra: so...it's depending on 2.4? did u ever try it with 2.6? [11:38] <ajmitch> ogra: I tested this in a chroot yesterday, audacity was not installable due to a depends on libwxgtk2.4c2 [11:38] <Riddell> dholbach: hmm? [11:38] <ajmitch> which means that it built after the C++ transition, and before the next SONAME change [11:39] <ogra> ajmitch, hmm, i installed it fine here n monday, as i said... but didnt try on x86.... [11:39] <ogra> ajmitch, its ok... [11:39] <dholbach> Riddell: forget it :) since i just learnt about umbrello and you maintaining it, i wanted to share my disgruntlement - it's alright again :))) [11:39] <ajmitch> ogra: so you can trust that I did the right thing? ;) [11:41] <dholbach> Riddell: it worked better for me than all it's uml-contestants :) [11:41] <Riddell> woo :) [11:42] <dholbach> Riddell: i should have noted the bugs down... :) [11:42] <dholbach> Riddell: but i think i still have some diagrams to do :) [11:42] <Riddell> bugs in umbrello?? surly not [11:42] <dholbach> haha [11:42] <janimonoses> what is the deal with pbuilder and unauthenticated packages?Why aren't all those tweaks already part of a default pbuilder install? [11:42] <dholbach> of course [11:43] <dholbach> where is tritium when you need him [11:43] <ajmitch> janimonoses: because pbuilder just uses debootstrap - I think a new version from debian might fix it [11:43] <\sh> ogra: I'm trying audacity with 2.6 [11:43] <dholbach> latex experts - stick your hand up! :) [11:43] <\sh> looks good until now [11:43] <ogra> \sh, wont work... but there is a port going on [11:43] <janimonoses> ajmitch, a sync from debian now or a future version? [11:43] <ogra> in case they didnt merge the two [11:44] <\sh> ogra: BlockFile.cpp:466: error: ambiguous overload for 'operator+' in 'wxFileName::GetFullPath(wxPathFormat) const(wxPATH_NATIVE) + ".auf"' [11:44] <mbreit> dholbach: i am writing a latex editor for gnome, but that makes no latex expert out of me [11:44] <ajmitch> janimonoses: looks like breezy has the latest version :( [11:44] <janimonoses> dholbach, UML and latex?diplomarbeit ? ;) [11:44] <ajmitch> \sh: I've had issues trying to get stuff working on 2.6 that was designed for 2.4 [11:44] <dholbach> janimonoses: yeah :) [11:44] <janimonoses> rock on! [11:45] <\sh> ajmitch: yeah somethings changed... [11:45] <ogra> \sh, yep... look at the audacity homepage... there is a port going on... i dont know the current status [11:45] <dholbach> mbreit: i was looking for rotating and searched horizontal and vertical and whatever before :) [11:45] <\sh> let me have a look on those little bastards ,) [11:45] <ajmitch> \sh: eg my python packages really don't like wx 2.6 :) [11:45] <dholbach> mbreit: texdoctk was my friend after all, thanks :) [11:45] <\sh> ajmitch: hmmm...new bindings? [11:45] <ajmitch> and I'm not brave enough to dig in, so I've harassed upstream instead ;) [11:45] <dholbach> mbreit: cool to hear that - do you have some screenshots already? [11:45] <ajmitch> \sh: wx has always been a problem :) [11:45] <\sh> ajmitch: that will be fun with sip4 and qt4 ,-) [11:46] <ajmitch> of course [11:47] <\sh> ajmitch: but this boa constructor was mentioned as a cool python IDE *hides* [11:47] <ajmitch> \sh: use 0.4.0 from experimental, I noted it in the bugreport on the merge page [11:47] <ajmitch> it's one that needs synced :) [11:48] <mbreit> dholbach: there is not (yet) much to see, and we (slomo and i) have no time atm because of exams at university... but in a few weeks we will continue to work on that... [11:48] <\sh> ajmitch: forget it ;) I've got problems with yehia and gtk-gnutella...i don't like this gtk stuff at all..it's a secret to me ;) [11:49] <dholbach> mbreit: that sounds excellent [11:49] <ajmitch> \sh: ok I'll handle the wx evil ;) [11:50] <\sh> mbreit: ah...slomo...greetings to him :) so when we will see u as motu? [11:51] <\sh> ajmitch: can u have a look on yehia? [11:51] <ajmitch> \sh: how bad is it? [11:51] <\sh> ajmitch: it's a lib from cxx trans [11:51] <\sh> ajmitch: truth or a lie? [11:51] <dholbach> we're 9 minutes before the meeting [11:51] <ajmitch> tell me the whole truth [11:52] <\sh> ajmitch: bad as hell...at least more bad then hell [11:52] <mbreit> \sh: he is on holiday atm, so i will tell him when he's back ;) [11:52] <\sh> mbreit: so when we will see u as motu? [11:52] <ajmitch> \sh: c++ mess? [11:52] <dholbach> hey sistpoty - nice to see you [11:52] <mbreit> well, that does not depend on me ;) [11:52] <sistpoty> hi dholbach [11:52] <siretart> huhu sistpoty [11:52] <sistpoty> hi siretart [11:53] <\sh> ajmitch: wrong void usage ;) [11:53] <\sh> ajmitch: but I don't see the light in there...it's a bloody overloaded function [11:53] <ajmitch> \sh: I'm not a C++ expert, sadly [11:53] <ajmitch> I can take a look & beat my head against it :) [11:54] <\sh> ajmitch: i can send u a first patch to fix the easy issues ,-) [11:54] <mbreit> \sh: i think i should do some more motu work before talking about me becoming a motu... [11:54] <ajmitch> it doesn't help that there's been no debian upload for ~2 years [11:54] <dholbach> mbreit: you'll be fine soon :) [11:54] <\sh> mbreit: sure...help us with everything...and learn from slomo ,-) [11:54] <mbreit> btw: i just uploaded a new gnomemeeting package to revu... please review ;)) [11:54] <\sh> ajmitch: *nod* [11:55] <\sh> oh... [11:55] <ajmitch> hi bddebian [11:55] <\sh> gnomemeeting is in main? [11:55] <mbreit> oh no.. [11:55] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch [11:55] <mbreit> i meant gnomeradio of cause [11:55] <\sh> ah ;) [11:55] <siretart> mbreit: reviews are on the topic of our meeting starting in 5 minutes. don't you want to join, too? [11:56] <\sh> mbreit: u r welcome to attend :) [11:56] <mbreit> yes, i have planned to do that ;) [11:56] <mbreit> thanks! [11:56] <siretart> :) [11:56] <mbreit> is the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting? [11:56] <\sh> yep [11:56] <dholbach> yep [11:57] <ajmitch> so it'll hopefully get quiet in here for a bit :) [11:57] <mbreit> ;) [11:57] <\sh> meeting is starting in -3 [11:59] <\sh> -1 [11:59] <bddebian> \sh, the timekeeper :-) [12:00] <siretart> now! :) [12:04] <sistpoty2> gna... 24h disconnect :(

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.664222

2005-08-08-#ubuntu-kernel

[02:14] <lamont-away> jbailey: status? [02:16] <jbailey> lamont-away: I plan to run the test build overnight. [02:17] <lamont-away> ok [02:17] <lamont-away> is the test just -6.6+yourpatch? [02:17] <jbailey> The -6.6 from Fabio's directory, yes. [02:18] <lamont-away> ok [02:18] <jbailey> Is there a more recent checkout that I can use? [02:18] <lamont-away> which I still need to merge zuls changes into, and verify that the ABI doesn't bounce anywhere [02:19] <jbailey> Can you tell me the best way to get something out of that which I can run 'debuild' against? [02:23] <lamont-away> start with a normal dpkg-source -x of -6.6 [02:23] <lamont-away> mv debian far far away [02:24] <lamont-away> baz register-archive http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005 [02:24] <lamont-away> (if you haven't already)\ [02:24] <lamont-away> baz get kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--preX,7--2.6.12 debian [02:25] <lamont-away> debuild -i -S [02:25] <lamont-away> and presto\ [02:26] <jbailey> lamont-away: Thanks, I'll give it a shot [02:26] <lamont-away> that's pretty much what I do each pass. [02:26] <lamont-away> with luck, the meeting will be over in a couple hours, and I'll be back online from the fd for a few minutes, teaching some people how to creat mail accts for FD people. [06:16] <lamont-away> fabbione: about to go to sleep -early day tomorrow... waiting for jbailey to finish his testing (overnight run), then merging in zul's patches and jbailey's patches, test build everywhere, and upload. happy happy joy joy [06:18] <fabbione> jbailey's patches for initramfs? [06:18] <fabbione> what is working on zul? [06:18] <fabbione> btw i was your commits.. :) [06:18] <fabbione> easy fix for hppa [06:20] <lamont-away> s/was/saw/? [06:20] <lamont-away> and yeah. No change in build-deps, but I still plan to change kernel-package [06:20] <lamont-away> because it's wrong as it sits... :) [06:21] <fabbione> ywah saw.. [06:21] <fabbione> i just woke up :) [06:21] <lamont-away> and really ppc64 should be diff than it is, etc, etc. [06:21] <fabbione> yeah [06:21] <lamont-away> but I'll ponder some more and probably pester jbailey for his gnu-make fu before I upload that [06:21] <lamont-away> anyway, gotta go get some sleep. [06:21] <fabbione> good night [06:21] <fabbione> i need to go and get started [07:14] <fabbione> hey desrt [07:14] <fabbione> no tea :) only coffee ;) [07:21] <desrt> heh. [07:21] <desrt> when you say coffee do you mean coffee or espresso? [07:21] <fabbione> by now i drink american coffee... [07:21] <desrt> i've found that canadians and europeans have a distinctly different idea of what coffee is [07:21] <fabbione> i am not used to espresso anymore [07:22] <desrt> ah. [07:22] <desrt> i can't stand canadian coffee [07:22] <fabbione> i drink it only when i go down to italy [07:22] <desrt> i really prefer the european stuff :) [07:22] <desrt> and i LIKE biscotti [07:22] <fabbione> ehehe [07:22] <desrt> how cliche am i? [07:24] <fabbione> :) [07:24] <desrt> i wonder how much a good espresso machine costs [07:24] <fabbione> the problem is not the machine [07:24] <fabbione> it's the water/coffee brand combinantion [07:24] <desrt> oh. i know where to get beans :) [07:24] <fabbione> i have real espresso machines here [07:24] <fabbione> but the water sucks [07:27] <desrt> hm. [07:27] <desrt> if you just drink the water is it .. bad? [07:27] <fabbione> it's not bad [07:27] <desrt> you'd think taht through the strength of the espresso the water wouldn't make much difference unless it was really awful [07:27] <fabbione> but good coffee water needs to be "heavy" [07:27] <fabbione> with lots of iron and stuff [07:28] <fabbione> this one is too filtered at the source [07:28] <desrt> ahh [07:28] <desrt> we call that hard water [07:28] <desrt> my cottage would be great for that [07:28] <desrt> we have a well that pumps out of a cold spring [07:28] <desrt> very hard [07:29] <fabbione> eheh cool [07:29] <fabbione> i am back to work in the house [07:29] <fabbione> cya around [07:29] <desrt> have fun [07:29] <desrt> p34ce [02:11] <zul> morning [02:34] <chmj> hey zul [03:27] <zul> hey [03:47] <zul> bah...cant believe i did that [04:01] <jbailey> 'that'? [04:02] <zul> download a 64bit application for 32bit machine [04:02] <jbailey> =) [04:03] <zul> stupid sybase [04:03] <zul> twix are for kids [04:40] <zul> hehe...from Cisco's web site Cisco has determined that Cisco.com password protection has been compromised. [04:53] <zul> hey lamont [04:54] <lamont> morning zul [04:54] <lamont> jbailey: you awake? [04:54] <jbailey> lamont: Vaguely. [07:49] <zul> meh...more drivers [08:01] <lamont> jbailey: wondering if you had a patch for me yet... [08:20] <zul> lamont: too late to add more drivers for -7? [09:41] <lamont> jbailey: any patch-word? [09:42] <jbailey> lamont: Sorry, buddy, I'm lagging a bit. [09:42] <lamont> np. I just wanted to merge your's first, you see... [09:44] <jbailey> Ah, sorry [10:22] <jbailey> lamont: This is really sad. I've gotten impatient when I don't see buildd logs appear 15 minutes after :03/:33 has passed. =) [10:32] <lamont> jbailey: hehe [10:33] <lamont> */20 * * * * /srv/buildd.ubuntu.com/bin/mirrorLogs [10:40] <lamont> test builds started on 3 [10:41] <jbailey> Ah. =) [10:41] <jbailey> So, erm. Why can't this just rsync stuff from your hppa box at home? =) [10:48] <lamont> EBANDWIDTH

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.681016

2005-08-08-#ubuntu-doc

[01:22] <mpt> hmm [01:23] <mpt> Do we have any docs at all on how to connect to the Internet? [01:23] <mpt> there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto [01:23] <mpt> which is scarily, scarily complicated [01:23] <mpt> I assume that will get much better with NetworkManager [01:28] <mpt> but I can't find any docs on connecting over dialup or DSL or LAN [02:28] <WaterSevenUb> Hi... When will the import of PO files to Rosetta be finished? [02:28] <WaterSevenUb> I mean... to the Breezy release templates.... [06:57] <jsgotangco> hey all [06:57] <jsgotangco> hey hornbeck nice seeing you here again [06:59] <Madpilot> ah, some actual life on this channel [06:59] <jsgotangco> *grin* [06:59] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: hi, just got my dsl back [07:00] <Madpilot> aside from the "<foo> has joined/disconnected" messages, that is [07:00] <Madpilot> getting internet back is good [07:00] <jsgotangco> lol the place has been quiet lately yes.. [07:01] <jsgotangco> i usually arrive at this time (after lunch on my side) [07:01] <Madpilot> ah well. there are now two less entries on CategoryCleanup [07:01] <Madpilot> it's 2200 here [07:01] <jsgotangco> wiki! [07:01] <jsgotangco> (i hateses are wiki ever since) [07:02] <Madpilot> wikis seem to have become a nessesary evil or something [07:04] <Madpilot> at least we can do something about getting Ubuntu's wiki semi-coherent and possibly useful [07:04] <Madpilot> ;) [07:13] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: hi [07:15] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco [08:52] <rob^> what was the problems with the server? [08:53] <Burgundavia> problems with the server? [08:54] <Burgundavia> thoughts? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IHate640x480 [08:55] <rob^> mdke anyone figure out why there are weird characters on the docteam server hosted docs? or is it just me... http://65.19.178.132/gnome/faqi386/C/ [08:55] <robitaille> IHate640x480: I hate the name. But the content is useful for a very small audience. [08:56] <Burgundavia> better name? [08:57] <robitaille> ToshibaTecraConsole [08:57] <robitaille> a bit long... [08:57] <Burgundavia> this also happens on other machines, like my fathers sony laptop [08:57] <HrdwrBoB> it's of almost no consequence to the ubuntu target audience [08:57] <Burgundavia> LaptopSmallConsole [08:57] <HrdwrBoB> in general [08:57] <HrdwrBoB> because they won't be using the console [08:58] <Burgundavia> this is bootup stuff HrdwrBoB [08:58] <HrdwrBoB> yes [08:58] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EthiopianTeam <-- funky lettering [08:58] <robitaille> with the same logic, you should propose to get rid of the shell and xterms :) [08:59] <Burgundavia> maybe breezy+1 can deal with making the graphical bootup nice [08:59] <robitaille> Burgundavia: I like LaptopSmallConsole [08:59] <Burgundavia> ok, moving [09:00] <Burgundavia> finally got a ping back from someone I emailled about a job [09:00] <robitaille> rob^: can't access http://65.19.178.132 you must be hitting the cache in your browser. That must be the IP of the server that mdke rebooted a few hours ago and then "lost" [09:00] <robitaille> Burgundavia: was it a positive ping? [09:00] <Burgundavia> however, the following things are wrong the company: use a hotmail addy, wanted a .doc and couldn't deal with my .pdf (said they couldn't open it) [09:01] <Burgundavia> but I will see where they go [09:01] <robitaille> is it a very small shop? it is as if they REALLY need a good sysadmin [09:02] <Burgundavia> this is not a tech job, I don't think [09:02] <Burgundavia> I honestly don't remember what this job is about [09:02] <Burgundavia> what do you think we should do with all these created talk pages [09:02] <Burgundavia> the ones that list the old subpages? [09:03] <robitaille> I personally never use the talk pages. [09:03] <Burgundavia> shall I delete them all as harmful? [09:04] <robitaille> I would strongly suggest that you propose the idea to the ML before you start deleting them :) [09:04] <Burgundavia> yes [09:04] <Burgundavia> I just wanted to gauge the general reaction before I did so [09:04] <robitaille> I would zap them all. [09:56] <rob^> http://www.linuxhd.com/ubuntufaq/faqi386/C/index.html [09:58] <rob^> I think he had the directory wrong [09:58] <rob^> he had gnome/faqi386/C/ [09:59] <rob^> its just a preview.. [10:40] <Madpilot> ? [10:48] <jsgotangco> hi [10:49] <Madpilot> hi - just had our 2nd power outage in four nights... [10:49] <Madpilot> plays hell with my attempts to set personal uptime records! [10:49] <jsgotangco> wow [10:49] <jsgotangco> i had a power outage at home last night too but it got fixed by the power company after an hour [10:49] <jsgotangco> me and my neighbor had no electricity for at least an hour [10:50] <Madpilot> yeah, these have all been short - just a couple of minutes tonight [10:50] <Madpilot> but it's still unusual for this city... [10:50] <jsgotangco> where is that? [10:50] <Madpilot> Victoria, BC, Canada [10:51] <jsgotangco> ahh right [10:51] <jsgotangco> hmm [10:51] <jsgotangco> shouldn't you be sleeping by now heh [10:51] <Madpilot> it's only 0150 here. I'll go to bed in a bit [11:09] <HrdwrBoB> heh [11:09] <HrdwrBoB> it's 1909 here [11:10] <HrdwrBoB> .. dinner time! [11:10] <Madpilot> 1909 in Oz - and that's on Wednesday evening right? [11:11] <HrdwrBoB> yes [11:11] <HrdwrBoB> wednesday everning [11:12] <HrdwrBoB> evening [11:12] <Madpilot> cool. is 0212 Weds. morning here. [11:12] <Madpilot> got to be at work by 0900. sleep might be a good idea... [11:15] <HrdwrBoB> heh [11:15] <HrdwrBoB> yes, sleep is well worth it [12:45] <mdke> docteam server back up [12:45] <mdke> (sigh of relief) [03:02] <jsgotangco> bye bye (seems no one is around anyway) [03:23] <mgalvin> hi all [03:31] <mdke> hi mgalvin [03:31] <mgalvin> hey mdke [03:31] <jjesse> morning :) [03:32] <mgalvin> morning jjesse [03:43] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc [03:44] <mdke> cool [03:46] <mdke> we still have that problem with weird characters on our server btw [03:50] <mgalvin> mdke, even with a rebuild? [03:51] <mdke> I changed the locale to en_us.utf8 and rebuilt, same problem [03:52] <mgalvin> hmm [03:52] <mgalvin> are you building it on the linnode or on your machine? [03:52] <mdke> on the linode [03:53] <mgalvin> what versions of our tools are on the linode, possible issue there maybe? [03:53] <mgalvin> just a thought [03:53] <mdke> possibly all the tools are not installed [03:53] <mdke> the machine is standard hoary [03:54] <mgalvin> hmm, docbook-xslt is not on hoary by default iirc [03:54] <mdke> well I installed some stuff [03:54] <mdke> but maybe I missed some things out [03:54] <mdke> lemme try [03:54] <mgalvin> ok, just a thought, it worth checking at least [03:54] <mdke> E: Couldn't find package docbook-xslt [03:56] <mgalvin> er, docbook-xsl rather [03:57] <mdke> that is installed [03:57] <mdke> docbook-xml wasn't tho, installing now, just in case [04:02] <mdke> odd that they appear fine in konq [04:05] <mgalvin> hmm, maybe try building them on your machine the move those files over to linode to try and verify that is not the build itself... b/c those wierd chars are in the html [04:05] <mgalvin> maybe khtml can just deal with them better then gecko can [04:05] <mdke> hmm [04:06] <mdke> i couldn't see the characters in the html when I looked on the machine [04:06] <mdke> e.g.
<p class="copyright">Copyright 2004, 2005 Canonical Ltd. and members of the Ubuntu Documentation Project</p></div> [04:07] <mgalvin> i could see them here via ff [04:07] <mgalvin> hmm [04:07] <mdke> perhaps it is apache after all [04:07] <mdke> and perhaps apache on my machine has the same problem [04:07] <mgalvin> i was just going to ask if you tried your orig idea of checking apache [04:08] <mgalvin> i guess its possible it could be munging stuff up somehow [04:17] <jjesse> silly question but in what channel does the ubuntu communiity council meetings meet? [04:18] <mdke> ubuntu-meeting [04:18] <mdke> jjesse, you missed the meeting :( [04:18] <jjesse> i know i did :( [04:18] <jjesse> got my time zone conversion messed up and couldn't find the channel to join [04:18] <mdke> mgalvin, same problem if I copy the files to http://www.mdke.org/Documents/faqi386/C/ [04:20] <jjesse> so the next meeting if i do my conversion right 12 utc is 8am eastern [04:23] <mdke> jjesse, you can get the current utc time by typing "date -u" in a terminal [04:26] <jjesse> cool got the conversion done right [04:29] <mgalvin> mdke, hmm [04:30] <mgalvin> i am going to try doing a fresh build here [04:35] <mgalvin> it built fine here and looks fine [04:35] <mgalvin> check it here [04:35] <mgalvin> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/faqi386/C/ [04:40] <mdke> yeah [04:54] <mdke> gtg [08:49] <mgalvin> mdke: could you set me up with a login to linode, i should be able to take a peak at it in a little while... if someone else hasn't already [08:54] <mdke> mgalvin, doing it now [09:15] <venda> mgalvin: I dont see any problem [09:15] <venda> mgalvin: infact I am nowing seeing the pages just fine [09:16] <mdke> in ff? [09:16] <venda> yeah [09:17] <mdke> i see the symbols still [09:17] <venda> can somebody with a sudoer account install lynx pls [09:18] <mgalvin> hmm, i still see them in ff [09:21] <venda> mgalvin: looks good under lynx too [09:23] <mgalvin> i see #'s in lynx and *'s in elinks [09:24] <venda> any page in particular [09:24] <mgalvin> index.html [09:25] <mgalvin> seems to show up on all of them here [09:25] <venda> nada [09:25] <venda> looks clean here [09:25] <mgalvin> the ones i looked at anyway(random pages) [09:25] <mgalvin> hmm, odd [09:28] <venda> the pages there are a 1:1 match with my loacl build [09:28] <venda> bit4 bit [09:29] <venda> but yesterday I had problems [09:29] <venda> mdke: what changed since yesteray [09:32] <mdke> i changed the locale of the user to utf8 [09:33] <mdke> also i installed docbook-xml [09:33] <mdke> that's about it [09:33] <venda> well I no longer see th eproblems [09:33] <mdke> i d [09:33] <mdke> o [09:33] <venda> huh [09:33] <venda> o ki do ki [09:37] <mdke> but the pages are clean if you look at them on the server (cat index.html) [09:38] <mdke> which makes me think it's apache [09:38] <venda> mdke: bit4bit they match my local build [09:39] <mdke> ok can't be the build then i guess [09:39] <venda> no and I no longer see the problems I had yesterday [09:40] <venda> but mgalvin says he does see problems [09:40] <mdke> me too [09:40] <mdke> on both my computers [09:40] <venda> so just me sees all OK, that's all that counts. It's OK then :-) [09:41] <venda> Ah Kubuntu [09:41] <venda> no you on Gentoo, no? [09:41] <venda> Hmm lemme see from SuSE [09:41] <mdke> on gentoo and hoary [09:42] <froud> looks good on SuSE ff [09:42] <mdke> kde? [09:43] <froud> Both KDE [09:43] <froud> Something in GNOME you think, nah, can it be [09:44] <mgalvin> i would doubt it but anything is possible i guess [09:44] <mdke> doubt it [09:45] <froud> anyone else have a kde box [09:46] <froud> mdke: you said it was only that doc? [09:49] <jjesse> i have a kde box [09:49] <jjesse> sorry was afk [09:49] <jjesse> whats up? [09:49] <jjesse> <--- kubuntu [09:50] <froud> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/faqi386/C/index.html [09:50] <froud> jjesse: do you see any problems in the page [09:50] <mgalvin> froud: thats my build of it, as yes that one looks fine [09:50] <jjesse> that looks fine for me [09:50] <mgalvin> froud: the issue only shows up on the linode server and mdke's server [09:51] <froud> arh [09:51] <mgalvin> froud: jjesse: try hitting the faq on linode [09:51] <jjesse> linode address? [09:51] <mgalvin> http://65.19.178.132/gnome/faqi386/C/ [09:52] <jjesse> no problems on the first page, looks clean to me in konqueror [09:52] <jjesse> chedked other pages no issues [09:53] <mgalvin> how about in ff [09:53] <venda> hmmm only happens in ff [09:54] <mgalvin> maybe a gecko problem with the locale [09:54] <mgalvin> khtml seems to handle it just fine [09:55] <froud> What is Opera asking for cert [09:55] <froud> wiki.ubuntu.com [09:55] <froud> Canonical Ltd [09:55] <froud> IM [09:55] <froud> emailAddress: webmaster@ubuntu.com [09:55] <froud> Issuer [09:55] <froud> wiki.ubuntu.com [09:55] <froud> Canonical Ltd [09:56] <venda> arh [09:56] <venda> dumb thing [09:57] <venda> opera has the same problems as ff [10:03] <froud> Mozilla has same problem [10:05] <mgalvin> just strange that it is only happening when viewing the docs from linode [10:05] <mgalvin> mine build is just fine [10:05] <froud> when I switch encoding in the browser it is fixed [10:06] <froud> iso-8859-1 works well [10:07] <froud> when I switch to utf-8 I get the problems [10:07] <mgalvin> hah, it utf8 then [10:07] <mgalvin> confirmed, same here [10:08] <mgalvin> mdke: you chaged the locale right? can you try changing it back? [10:14] <venda> my users env is set LANG=en_US.UTF-8 [10:16] <venda> mdke: what is the ubuntu-docs user LANG [10:21] <mdke> mgalvin, what to? [10:21] <venda> do env [10:21] <venda> see LANG=en_US.UTF-8 [10:21] <mdke> yes, but what do you want me to change it to [10:21] <venda> no leave it [10:22] <mdke> mgalvin, you asked if I can change it? [10:22] <venda> just need to kow what it is [10:22] <venda> sean@none:/etc/apache2/conf.d$ cat charset [10:22] <venda> AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 [10:22] <venda> sean@none:/etc/apache2/conf.d$ [10:27] <venda> in apache2.conf [10:27] <venda> is #AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 [10:27] <venda> meant to be commented out? [10:27] <mdke> you can only have one defaultcharset i reckon [10:28] <mdke> but I think ISO-8859-1 is the recognised charset for the web [10:28] <venda> and the default has been set in conf.d/charset [10:29] <venda> change the charset [10:30] <venda> edit /etc/apache2/conf.d$ cat charset [10:31] <venda> change to ISO-8859-1 [10:32] <venda> apache2.conf adds AddCharset UTF-8 .utf8 [10:33] <venda> and ISO-8859-1 [10:33] <venda> but AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 [10:34] <mdke> will try [10:34] <mdke> the server is real slow to respond [10:34] <venda> see k my side [10:34] <venda> seems fine [10:37] <mdke> ok i think that has fixed it :D [10:37] <mdke> check? [10:39] <venda> na da [10:39] <venda> Hmm [10:39] <venda> did you restart [10:39] <venda> apache [10:40] <mdke> i did [10:40] <mdke> i don't get the problems now here [10:40] <venda> you dont [10:40] <venda> Hmm maybe proxy my side [10:40] <mdke> did you shift reload [10:41] <venda> bingo it works [10:41] <mgalvin> fixed here :) [10:41] <venda> cool [10:42] <venda> gone in search of coffee [10:42] <mdke> thanks venda [10:43] <venda> np was beginning to doubt our sanity for a min

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.693482

2005-08-08-#ubuntu

[12:00] <topyli> aceb747: hehe :) [12:00] <stevenj> I did'nt know 686 2.6.11 was there...hmm [12:00] <HakonBH> does anybody here use fluxbox? [12:00] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah, I see [12:00] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: yes [12:00] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Plus things don't get pulled from the archives lightly [12:00] <stevenj> dbernar1, what does that do? [12:01] <f_newton> man I love working with a debian based os [12:01] <nox> ubuntu is the new debian [12:01] <nox> its just, better. [12:01] <HakonBH> thoreauputic: with or without gnome installed together? [12:01] <ixion> hi, whats the run command for text editor? [12:01] <dbernar1> stevenj: well, /join #flood joins the channel that can be flooded [12:01] <topyli> nox: nah, debian is still debian [12:01] <ixion> I need to gksu it [12:01] <Amaranth> ixion: gedit [12:01] <Razor-X> I hope Debian will supersede Debian [12:01] <ixion> ta [12:01] <dbernar1> /bin/sh: line 1: takes: command not found [12:01] <Amaranth> ixion: gksudo gedit [12:01] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: I have gnome and KDE and xfce4 as well - but I rarely use them :) [12:02] <topyli> Razor-X: exactly ;) [12:02] <dbernar1> it remocves the intermediate step of you having to paste [12:02] <dbernar1> now I am going there, to see what you paste [12:02] <cyphase> hey everyone [12:02] <HakonBH> humm... because fluxbox is a little slow here, very uncommon [12:03] <stevenj> traceroute not found...apparently I can't traceroute :) [12:03] <bionic> Whats the command to turn on DMA on a disc? [12:03] <mbirkis> can i add a i386 repo to a amd64 sources list?? [12:03] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: the hoary package has an issue [12:03] <nox> stevenj, sudo apt-get install traceroute [12:03] <jojolu> Helo Im running ubuntu on a laptop toshiba satellite A45-S250 how do I make the dual monitor work, the graphic card is a intel 852GME integrated (32MB) [12:03] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: I recompiled [12:03] <Seveas> bionic, hdparm -d1 /dev/yourdisk [12:03] <bionic> Seveas: appreciate it [12:03] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: the secret is to use --disable-xmb in the ./conigure options [12:03] <HakonBH> hummm... i'm trying to recompile but i always get a kernel panic, heheh [12:04] <HakonBH> sorry, i'm just a beginner, have no idea of ./configure options [12:04] <catolh> how can i set my Tv as my primary screen? I have an ATI radeon 9600 xt.. with the fglrx drivers installed (newest). [12:04] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: ah [12:05] <mbirkis> how come i get wrong architecture error when i try dpkg --install a.hoary.package.i386.deb ?? [12:05] <aceb747> one quick question I have is what is better about ubuntu than debian... one thing i liked was the install... and alot of people have put it down [12:05] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: are you using a mac or amd64 ? [12:05] <mbirkis> thoreauputic, amd64 [12:05] <topyli> HakonBH: try "./configure --help" [12:05] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: the package you are trying to install is not for amd64 [12:06] <HakonBH> ok [12:06] <mbirkis> thoreauputic, shouldn't it work?? isn't ubuntu biarch compatible?? [12:06] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: if you compile fluxbox, use --disable-xmb --enable-kde --enable-gnome [12:07] <cefx> no [12:07] <cefx> it's not [12:07] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: you would need a 32 bit chroot [12:07] <aceb747> if you were to compare the repo would ununtu or debian have a better repo? [12:07] <mbirkis> thoreauputic, what is a 32bit chroot? [12:07] <DukGalNamu> hey where is the wine channel? [12:07] <HakonBH> hum, i always use apt-get... i dunno the best place to install package, so i don't want do make a mess [12:08] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: *sigh* a sort of jail to run 32 bit apps from [12:08] <ChrischiO`GER> Kicked Windows, installed my first Linux(ubuntu of course), mounted my first drive, compiled and installed my first program .. what a day [12:08] <Kev0r> LinuxJones: one problem: need to run that program as the user that's logged in :/ [12:08] <mjr> mbirkis, ubuntu is not yet a proper multiarch system; chroot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 [12:08] <nickrud> as someone who has no real voice in either repo, I'd judge that the both work [12:08] <aceb747> DukGalNamu, i think it is on another server... though that does not help much... possibly on efnet i think [12:08] <mbirkis> mjr, ok thnx [12:08] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: search the wiki - I think there's a howto [12:08] <DukGalNamu> ... [12:09] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, when using ubuntu, you don`t need to compile programs. thats why you have APT and sources.list file. [12:09] <ChrischiO`GER> w00s? [12:09] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, www.ubuntuguide.org [12:09] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, add the repos from there, and come back for instructions [12:09] <catolh> do people have experience in setting the TV out as a primary screen? so i can use my TV to watch movies+ [12:09] <catolh> ?* [12:09] <nickrud> DukGalNamu, I usually look for channels on http://searchirc.com/ [12:09] <ChrischiO`GER> und das sagt er mir jetzt -.-' [12:09] <DukGalNamu> aceb747: i am banned from that server for some reason... [12:10] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, package manager is a very important thing. it makes your life easier [12:10] <Seveas> nox, bad idea [12:10] <Seveas> nox ubuntuguide is not the best source of information [12:10] <Amaranth> nox: Please do not tell people to read ubuntuguide. [12:10] <ChrischiO`GER> yeah.. had to use it to install compiler^^ [12:10] <Seveas> and it has backports on by default... [12:10] <nox> Seveas, what makes you think this is a bad idea? [12:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: official backports? [12:11] <nox> Amaranth, why? it realy helps [12:11] <Seveas> nox, because it is :) [12:11] <cefx> What's the syntax for decompressing a tgz file? [12:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: please tell me it doesn't have hoary-extras [12:11] <raven3x7> ChrischiO`GER, just leave out the backports line [12:11] <Seveas> nox, it has... [12:11] <jojolu> Helo Im running ubuntu on a laptop toshiba satellite A45-S250 how do I make the dual monitor work, the graphic card is a intel 852GME integrated (32MB) [12:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, it has [12:11] <Amaranth> *groan* [12:11] <Seveas> nox, the things causes so much trouble for people... [12:11] <HakonBH> jojolu: xinerama? [12:11] <ChrischiO`GER> dont mind.. but explane me what "backports" means pls^^ [12:11] <Seveas> we've spent days in here helping ubuntuguide vicitms [12:11] <Amaranth> !backports [12:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [12:12] <jojolu> xinerama? I dont know that program [12:12] <nox> Seveas, you said it yourself -> "not the =BEST= source for info" - in the lack of other good sources for begginers, this is the only option [12:12] <Amaranth> wtf [12:12] <aceb747> DukGalNamu: are you on a college campus? [12:12] <Amaranth> that's a worthless bit of explaination [12:12] <Seveas> nox, wiki.ubuntu.com [12:12] <raven3x7> Amaranth, whats wrong with extras? [12:12] <DukGalNamu> nope [12:12] <DukGalNamu> aceb747: why would that matter? [12:12] <Amaranth> raven3x7: Well, for a start just about everything in it is illegal. [12:12] <catolh> argh, i cant get any video on my tv.. :\ [12:12] <cefx> zxvf [12:12] <cefx> 'D [12:12] <nox> Seveas, ok.. ill add some things to the wiki myself :) thanx for that. is it .com or .org? [12:12] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com :) [12:12] <jojolu> HakonBH: what is xinerama [12:13] <DukGalNamu> aceb747: here is what i got:ERROR Closing Link: DukGalNam[andrew@255.255.255.255] (Banned) [12:13] <ChrischiO`GER> wtf [12:13] <ixion> how can I login to ubuntu as root please? I'm getting annoyed with this perpetual gksu, its a desktop machine, I want to be god [12:13] <ChrischiO`GER> HAHA [12:13] <ChrischiO`GER> 2nd one [12:13] <Amaranth> ixion: err [12:13] <Amaranth> !rootsudo [12:14] <ubotu> it has been said that rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [12:14] <Seveas> ixion, sudo gdmsetup [12:14] <Amaranth> ixion: gdm will not allow you to login as root [12:14] <Seveas> but be warned [12:14] <balistic2> hey [12:14] <Seveas> runnung X as root is a *MAJOR* security risk [12:14] <ChrischiO`GER> what is gdm? [12:14] <delta> good night [12:14] <ixion> yes, its a desktop, for playing music and stuff [12:14] <ixion> security is less important than annoyances [12:14] <Seveas> ixion, if you hate entering your password: tell sudo not to ask it [12:14] <balistic2> is there a way to install ubuntu by use of floppy.. i dont have a cd drive on my old vaio [12:14] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, GDM is Gnome Display Manager [12:14] <ChrischiO`GER> ah k [12:15] <ChrischiO`GER> Mr X *g* [12:15] <DukGalNamu> ahh [12:15] <DukGalNamu> there is one on this server [12:15] <MartenH> ok, this isn't working sadly :/ I keep getting a message saying that /dev/video doesn't exist [12:15] <DukGalNamu> its winehq [12:15] <DukGalNamu> i am going [12:15] <MartenH> hwn using xawtv or gqcam [12:15] <balistic2> can i install ubuntu using floppy [12:15] <ubuntu__> sup guys [12:15] <Amaranth> DukGalNamu: most channels on this server are the official channels for the project [12:15] <nox> MartenH, what about /dev/video0 ? [12:15] <Amaranth> err, too late [12:15] <MartenH> nox, nope [12:15] <nox> MartenH, what are you trying to connect? [12:16] <MartenH> nox, a webcam. ANother cam worked right away, this one does not [12:16] <balistic2> hey can i get some help if someone isnt to busy [12:16] <nox> MartenH, you installed V4L ? [12:16] <nue2ubuntu> hey i'm running the live version of ubuntu. is there a way to install pluggins for firefox to browse some flash-enabled webpages? [12:16] <Amaranth> balistic2: If no one knows no one will answer. [12:16] <aceb747> balistic2: i can try to help you [12:16] <balistic2> thank you ace [12:16] <balistic2> can i install ubuntu using floppy disks [12:16] <ubuntu_> is the a way i can enable vnc without going to System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop [12:17] <errr_> where are the local startup scripts? [12:17] <MartenH> nox, how do I do that? doesn't it come with xawtv? [12:17] <ubuntu_> as in thru a terminal [12:17] <Amaranth> balistic2: I do not believe floppy installation is possible. [12:17] <aceb747> balistic2: i think u can only do it cdrom [12:17] <balistic2> amaranth, i saw some where it said that you can install debian first [12:17] <balistic2> and then install ubuntu [12:17] <balistic2> is that logical? [12:17] <nox> MartenH, i have no idea - install libpt-plugins-v4l2 [12:17] <Amaranth> balistic2: If you don't mind never getting help from us, sure. :) [12:18] <aceb747> balistic2: yes that is possible i think [12:18] <cefx> Anyone ever install Cedega? [12:18] <Amaranth> balistic2: that is really more likely to break your system [12:18] <errr_> On gentoo they are: /etc/conf.d/local.start but I am unable to find the ubuntu one [12:18] <ubuntu_> is there access to vnc seting thru bash? [12:18] <balistic2> brb [12:18] <ubuntu_> to turn it off/on [12:18] <Amaranth> balistic2: some things in debian 3.1 are newer than ubuntu 5.04 [12:18] <cefx> Has anyone ever installed Cedega and knows what I have to do? [12:18] <aceb747> you would do a debian ne install and a dist-upgrade to ubuntu [12:18] <Amaranth> cefx: #cedega? [12:18] <_icebreaker_> which package i have to install to get the kernel-headers [12:18] <delta> [12:19] <Amaranth> _icebreaker_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` [12:19] <MartenH> nox, I have v4l2 installed along with v4l-conf. however not v4l (but v4l2 is anewer version from what I can tell) [12:19] <Amaranth> _icebreaker_: make sure you put in backticks, not quote marks [12:19] <jojolu> Helo Im running ubuntu on a laptop toshiba satellite A45-S250, the graphic card is a intel 852GME integrated (32MB). How do I make the capability of switching between displays (CRT and LCD) [12:19] <ubuntu_> any one ? [12:19] <nox> MartenH, what type of a webcam you are trying to connect, and to which port? [12:19] <ubuntu_> vnc settings access thru terminal????? [12:19] <Amaranth> jojolu: The laptop does that in hardware on most systems I've seen [12:19] <ubuntu_> oh well [12:19] <Amaranth> jojolu: some button combination [12:20] <raven3x7> Amaranth, would ffdshow be a legal alternative to w32codecs? [12:20] <aceb747> jojolu, you need to configure this on the /etc/xorg.conf file [12:20] <errr_> jojolu: on mine it is function f8 [12:20] <_icebreaker_> Amaranth, im geting a error message [12:20] <jojolu> yes Fn+F5 [12:20] <brad[] > Hi, having some trouble connecting to an exchange 2003 server through evolution in Ubuntu hoary. I can connect to it using other distributions using the same versions of the software, so I'm wondering if there are any newer releases of evolution available for Ubuntu 5.04? [12:20] <MartenH> nox, USB port, it's a gpt/chicony dc-2120 [12:20] <Amaranth> raven3x7: um, ffdshow is ffmpeg running on DirectShow, a part of DirectX on Windows. [12:20] <jojolu> but doesnt work just flashes the monitor and my cursor desapears [12:20] <errr_> Amaranth: do you know where the local startup script i s located? [12:20] <thoreauputic> /msg nickserv nvu [12:21] <thoreauputic> bah [12:21] <nox> MartenH, please give me the output of the command: "ls /dev | grep video" [12:21] <avanspronsen> brad[] : is your mailbox name different than your login name? I am pretty sure that is a problem with the Exchange connector with the version that ships with 5.04 [12:22] <Sputn1k> sudo make-kpkg --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image modules_image . How should i replace "append-to-version" and "custom kernel_image modules_image", curent kernel 2.6.10, trying update to 2.6.12, help plz [12:22] <jojolu> Amaranth: Can I see your, xorg.conf becouse I dont know how to configure it out [12:22] <nox> MartenH, when the webcam is connected ofcourse. [12:22] <MartenH> nox, video0 and video (1349) [12:22] <balistic2> is there any way to install [12:22] <balistic2> any sort of gui linux using a floppy [12:22] <aceb747> jojolu, what kind of vid card do you have? [12:23] <errr_> does anyone know where I can find the local start up scripts that normally go in /etc/rc.d ? [12:23] <nox> MartenH, ok, now do that: "sudo cat /dev/video0" and move something that the cam can see. do you see any change on the screen? [12:23] <Sputn1k> help me somebody :/ [12:23] <jojolu> aceb747: a intel 852GME Integrated [12:24] <LinuxJones> balistic2, Mandriva (Mandrake) used to be able to do that like 2 years ago [12:24] <kemik> Sputn1k: you really shouldnt do that stuff if you're not sure what to put there to begin with [12:24] <MartenH> nox, i get: "cat: /dev/video0: Function not implemented" [12:24] <yhager> errr_, you mean /etc/rc[0-9S] .d/ ? [12:24] <balistic2> linuxjones, the problem is.. i have a vaio that used to run windows 98 and im tryiing to get rid of it but all i have is a floppy drive [12:24] <Sputn1k> kemik: u talking like my grandmother :] [12:24] <jojolu> a intel 852GME Integrated with 32 mb [12:25] <aceb747> jojolu: just search how to setup the xorg.conf on google and look at the ubuntu wiki... it shows how on there... i am not sure if it is for nvidia only though [12:25] <kemik> well i aint stopping you [12:25] <kemik> ;) [12:25] <nox> MartenH, try the same thing with /dev/video [12:25] <icewt> balistic2, you can install debian netinstall with a floppy, supposing you have internet connection available while installing [12:25] <thoreauputic> yhager: impatient type, wasn't he ? [12:25] <jojolu> In ubunto guide its for nvidia only [12:25] <balistic2> icewt, then can i install ubuntu [12:25] <MartenH> nox, No such file or directory [12:25] <LinuxJones> balistic2, you can format/erase the drives with the mandrake cd or if you have a win98 rescue disk you can remove the partitions with that [12:25] <jojolu> But I will look [12:26] <nox> MartenH, you have a drivers problem. [12:26] <LinuxJones> balistic2, sorry make that mandrake floppy netinstall disk :( [12:26] <MartenH> nox, the drivers are loaded and a cam is detected accoring to dmesg. But I have read on the page for them that I might need to update to ov51x [12:26] <nox> MartenH, you trying gnomemeeting? [12:26] <balistic2> linujones, so after i make that netinstall disk can i put ubuntu over it? [12:26] <nox> MartenH, try=tried [12:26] <MartenH> nox, no, xawtv and gqcam [12:27] <stevenj> I am having strange problems today and nothing has changed--I do not use backports....first firestarter has to be disabled to browse google.com and now firefox automatically disabled ad block and said it was too old...even though I made a change in firefox right after 1.0.6 (official) came out to accept 1.0 extentions [12:27] <nox> MartenH, so try gnomemeeting. 1. it comes with ubuntu. 2. it works with most of the cams [12:27] <MartenH> k [12:27] <balistic2> linuxjones, after i make that floppy netinstall disk can i install ubuntu [12:27] <stevenj> anyone else having strange things happen or is it just me [12:28] <ChrischiO`GER> can anybody tell me a ftpserver where i dont have to make as system users as accounts or use sqr databases? [12:28] <ChrischiO`GER> +many [12:28] <tim> if I killall'd esd (to play a game) is there a way to start it back up from the command line? [12:28] <aceb747> is someone was comparing the ubuntu repository with debians what would you say about it? [12:28] <Jemt> stevenj: You could try deleting your personal profile for firestarter and start the program again [12:28] <tim> w/out logging out then back in [12:28] <thoreauputic> stevenj: odd - have you run apt-get upgrade or just installed firefox? [12:29] <LinuxJones> balistic2, I don't know of a netinstall floppy for Ubuntu no :( [12:29] <thoreauputic> tim: just esd & should do it [12:29] <stevenj> thoreauputic, right after the official 1.0.6 came out and just upgrade [12:29] <stevenj> ubuntu upgrade [12:29] <LinuxJones> balistic2, you don't have a cdrom for your laptop ? [12:30] <thoreauputic> stevenj: what I was getting at was whether your system is fully updated [12:30] <Codyman> so whats the deal with ubuntu these days... whats the release schedule right now? [12:30] <tim> thoreauputic, lol oh didn't think it would be that easy :-P thx man [12:30] <balistic2> no i dont [12:30] <kemik> ChrischiO`GER: glftpd ? [12:30] <thoreauputic> tim: :) [12:30] <MartenH> nox, no device found [12:30] <balistic2> but my other computers have cd rom drives [12:30] <MartenH> nox, however the sound form the cam works [12:30] <balistic2> they are all on network [12:30] <balistic2> its just this laptop thats pissing me off [12:30] <HrdwrBoB> Codyman: same as always [12:31] <thoreauputic> Codyman: every 6 months - next release in October [12:31] <Codyman> very cool... 5.10? [12:31] <MartenH> nox, I think I'll need that ov51x instead. I know where to get it but it needs to be compiled and replace the old one, and I have no experience doing that [12:31] <kemik> !nex [12:31] <ubotu> kemik: Are you smoking crack? [12:31] <kemik> !next [12:31] <ubotu> No idea, kemik [12:31] <kemik> !nextrelease [12:31] <ubotu> [nextrelease] 6 months after the last one, always [12:31] <stevenj> thoreauputic, it appears to be and everything was working perfectly last night...and today I get home from work...no one uses this box....strange [12:31] <ChrischiO`GER> kemik - thx [12:31] <Jemt> !help [12:31] <jakestah> Does anyone know how to make a folder form the terminal? [12:31] <thoreauputic> stevenj: :( [12:31] <balistic2> what should i do [12:32] <kemik> jakestah: mkdir [12:32] <jakestah> Thank you! [12:32] <thoreauputic> jakestah: mkdir <directoryname> [12:32] <stevenj> guess I'll reboot [12:32] <stevenj> :/ [12:32] <balistic2> can i install any windows using floppy [12:32] <jakestah> Thanks! [12:32] <ChrischiO`GER> kemik - any others not hard to install/configure? [12:32] <ixion> whats the syntax to mount a samba share please? [12:32] <aceb747> jakestah: mkdir [12:32] <LinuxJones> balistic2, can you purchase a cdrom drive for your laptop ? [12:32] <cefx> Seveas, what's the "ubuntu" way of editing Xorg.conf? [12:32] <balistic2> linuxjones, how much is an external cd rom drive cost [12:32] <kemik> ChrischiO`GER: not sure. .think glftpd is a wee bit unfriendly to setup :/ [12:33] <Codyman> does anyone know if wifi will be improved with the next release... ndiswrapper works but i'd like to see some native support [12:33] <MartenH> balistic2, you sholl look into network installation [12:33] <yhager> ixion: mount -t smbfs //<server>/<share> /<local path -o username=<user>,password=<pass>,dom=<domain> [12:33] <ChrischiO`GER> kemik - "unfriendly" ^^ [12:33] <LinuxJones> balistic2, probably alot...do you know anybody who has one that you could borrow...maybe a friend's ? [12:33] <vader1102> balistic2: $5.00 here where I live at pawn shops [12:33] <balistic2> martenH, how do i do this i havent gotten a clear explanation on how [12:33] <geneo93> balistic2: get an adaptor ide to laptop drive [12:33] <thoreauputic> cefx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [12:34] <icewt> balistic2, you could install debian with netinstall, and "upgrade" to ubuntu. don't know how well it works though. there's some info http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge [12:34] <Jemt> !guide [12:34] <ubotu> Jemt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [12:34] <Jemt> !ubuntuguide [12:34] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [12:34] <LinuxJones> MartenH, is there a netinstall using a floppy disk ? [12:34] <MartenH> balistic2, don't know just that it can be done. ANother suggestion is to get a small non-GUI distribution on there and then download a real one to the HD and install it form there [12:34] <kemik> balistic2: or just plugin a CD-rom temporarily in your laptop and install ubuntu ? [12:34] <balistic2> I DONT Have a hd rom drive [12:35] <f_newton> woof then youve got a problem [12:35] <ixion> yhager: I get bad fs type on //server/share ? [12:35] <MartenH> LinuxJones, Never done netinstallation but I know it can be done with both windows and linux. google is your friend :) [12:35] <kemik> balistic2: cant borrow one i mean ? [12:35] <MartenH> nox, you leave? [12:35] <fuci> Hello [12:35] <ixion> yhager: obviously I didnt use "//server/share" but used a correct UNC [12:35] <fuci> Can someone help me with mounting windows drive ? [12:35] <nox> MartenH, im here, but i have no idea how to solve your problem. you tried www.ubuntuforums.org ? [12:35] <LinuxJones> MartenH, not for me I was just asking on balistic2's behalf :) [12:35] <balistic2> no i dont know anyone that has one kemik [12:35] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows [12:35] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions [12:36] <yhager> fuci, go ahead [12:36] <MartenH> nox, I think I'll need that ov51x instead. I know where to get it but it needs to be compiled and replace the old one, and I have no experience doing tha.. do you? [12:36] <Gabriel> I need a keymap (that has been made part of Breezy) on my Hoary laptop, is there a simple package I can install to update my system's keymaps? [12:36] <thoreauputic> fuci: read the bot's URL above [12:36] <nox> MartenH, i don`t know whats ov51x, but compiling programs is very simple. the problem is the dependencies [12:36] <fuci> when i type /etc/fstab it says permission denied, and im only one who uses this, and i only created 1 profile [12:36] <balistic2> martenh, so i install debian using a net install [12:36] <fuci> thoreauputic, ok, i'll see [12:37] <kemik> balistic2: well, put the HD from your laptop into a computer and put the win98 cd on it, boot witha floppy and install.. [12:37] <nox> fuci, fstab is a text file, not a file you can run. "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" to edit it. [12:37] <mark__> lo guys, can anyone tell me how to format a HD in Linux? [12:37] <balistic2> martenh, then i upgrade to ubuntu how [12:37] <thoreauputic> fuci: to edit fstab you need to use sudo: sudo gedit /etc/fstab for instance [12:37] <MartenH> balistic2, don't know, sorry [12:37] <mark__> from ntfs to ext3 for example [12:37] <fuci> ok, thanks ill try ! [12:37] <balistic2> ugh i need a solution [12:37] <nox> thoreauputic, i think he was trying to run the file. :) [12:37] <JoRock> hi does anyone know of a pci wireless card that is linux friendly? [12:37] <nox> mark__: with cfdisk for instance [12:37] <thoreauputic> nox: seems like it, yeah :) [12:37] <kemik> icewt balistic2, you could install debian with netinstall, and "upgrade" to ubuntu. don't know how well it works though. there's some info http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge [12:38] <mark__> thanks nox [12:38] <f_newton> JoRock, usually anything with a prism2 intercil driver [12:38] <kemik> (that was a quote of icewt) [12:38] <MartenH> nox, I have the site for the driver, and the file I _think_ i need but don't know how to go from there [12:38] <stevenj> is anyone having problems with firestater today? [12:38] <vader1102> JoRock: I am using the dlw-g650 and it works great [12:38] <nox> MartenH, what is ov51x ?! [12:38] <mark__> nox are there any other ways of formatting? last time I did it I used a different thing, not cfdisk [12:38] <nox> MartenH, and what makes you think you need it? [12:39] <JoRock> vader1102: was it any effort to set up? [12:39] <MartenH> nox, a replacement driver for ov511 (the driver ubuntu uses for my cam) [12:39] <shammy> ndiswrapper doesn't install with ubuntu does it? [12:39] <shammy> becuase that would make things alot easier [12:39] <vader1102> no, all I did was use the madwif [12:39] <nox> mark__, that`s linux. TIMTOWTDI always. [12:39] <JoRock> madwif? [12:39] <f_newton> madwifi [12:39] <thoreauputic> !info ndiswrapper [12:39] <mark__> nox TIMTOWTDI? :o [12:39] <HakonBH> TIMTOWTDI??? [12:39] <MartenH> JoRock, if you are looking to use WPA bbe sure to do your research for a good card, some are very tricky [12:39] <vader1102> JoRock: it is installed with Ubuntu [12:39] <nox> There is more than one way to do it [12:39] <mark__> nox im pretty sure i did it differently last time :) [12:40] <mark__> nox, do u know of any other ways? :D [12:40] <shammy> vader1102: what is madwifi? [12:40] <JoRock> nice [12:40] <f_newton> JoRock, if you get one (like a netgear b card or an agere (2wire) card with the intersil prism2 driver you dont need ndiswrapper or anything [12:40] <ixion> yhager: I get bad fs type on //server/share ? [12:40] <ixion> yhager: obviously I didnt use "//server/share" but used a correct UNC [12:40] <vader1102> like ndiswrapper only it is installed with ubuntu [12:40] <JoRock> so you recommend an netgear type b? [12:40] <f_newton> vader1102, madwifi is pre installed with ubuntu? [12:40] <shammy> f_newton: I have a netgear b/g card, I don't need ndiswrapper? [12:40] <chrischio> Hi ChrischiO [12:40] <f_newton> right [12:41] <balistic2> Ok im GOING TO NETINSTALL DEBIAN [12:41] <f_newton> shammy, me too [12:41] <balistic2> HOW DO I DO THIS [12:41] <ChrischiO`GER> Oh Hi ChrischiO_, how are you today? [12:41] <nox> mark__: why don`t you do it with cfdisk? it is realy good.. [12:41] <Sputn1k> where is lilo config file? [12:41] <chrischio> ^ [12:41] <balistic2> how do i netinstall debian [12:41] <balistic2> using floppy [12:41] <f_newton> lilo? [12:41] <mark__> nox, what command do i need to issue? i dont wanna screw anything up [12:41] <f_newton> lordy probably at mandriva [12:41] <vader1102> yes, f_newton [12:41] <nox> mark__: there is a thousands of way to do it. i think that this is the best way [12:41] <thoreauputic> Sputn1k: ubuntu uses the grub bootloader [12:41] <nox> mark__: sudo apt-get install cfdisk [12:41] <kemik> balistic2: tried google? or debian.org ? [12:41] <f_newton> vader1102, good to know [12:41] <vader1102> everything I have seen and read [12:41] <shammy> f_newton: so that means I do not need ndiswrapper? [12:42] <nox> mark__: and then just write cfdisk, its all CLI [12:42] <kemik> balistic2: or #debian ? [12:42] <f_newton> well if you are using a netgear card or similar with intersil prism2 driver no you dont shammy [12:42] <Sputn1k> thoreauputic: i know, but where is lilo fonfig? [12:42] <vader1102> shammy: go to that site I gave you earlier, and look [12:42] <chrischio> kemik? [12:42] <shammy> vader1102: where can I find madwifi? It's not under net apps or system tools [12:42] <f_newton> not the 2.5 driver now.... [12:42] <nox> MartenH, ok, give me the link to the site, and your cpu type [12:42] <shammy> vader1102: my adapter isn't on that list, no [12:43] <thoreauputic> Sputn1k: the config file for grub is in /boot/grub/ if you want lilo you need to install it and use /etc/lilo.conf if I remember correctly [12:43] <vader1102> then I would use ndiswrapper [12:43] <vader1102> there may be other ones but do not know [12:43] <f_newton> ndiswrapper saves a lot of people's oddball cards [12:44] <jakestah> Does anyone know how to delete a file through the terminal? [12:44] <vader1102> f_newton: I tried ndiswrapper for my card before I did madwifi and it wouldn't work, first try with madwifi worked great!! [12:45] <thoreauputic> jakestah: rm <file> [12:45] <ixion> is there an equivilent to adobe premier for linux? I want to edit some digital video [12:45] <jakestah> thank you! [12:45] <vader1102> and I am using the dwl-g650, it was a refurb but cheap [12:45] <balistic2> hey can install ubuntu using my ipod? [12:45] <Goodspeed> whats a good tutorial for getting a soundcard to work? [12:46] <thoreauputic> jakestah: I suggest a visit to http://tuxfiles.org for some basic commandline instruction ;-) [12:46] <holycow> Cinelerra <-- very crashy but good video editor [12:46] <balistic2> goodspeed, try google? [12:46] <Goodspeed> fine fine... [12:46] <Goodspeed> how would i find out what my kernel version is? [12:46] <holycow> kino is supposed to be decent [12:46] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: uname -r [12:46] <yhager> jakestah: also try 'man intro' for some introduction of the basic stuff.. [12:46] <vader1102> uname -r [12:46] <balistic2> goodspeed, uname -r [12:46] <Goodspeed> thankssss [12:46] <vader1102> heheh got lots of responses out of that one lol [12:47] <holycow> there is an inexpensive commercial linux video editor that probably works the best out of the bunch [12:47] <thoreauputic> yhager: ah, didn't know about man intro - learn something new every day :) [12:47] <kemik> balistic2: if you can boot from your usbdevice then maybe [12:48] <yhager> thoreauputic: yup.. sometimes the solutions are right in front of us, but we go a long way to find them elsewhere.. [12:48] <balistic2> kemik, if i put all the files from my ubuntu cd rom [12:48] <balistic2> kemik, to my ipod will it work [12:49] <ubuntu_> i got a problem... something wrong with my lilo... it don't display any boot screen but boots stright to windowsxp... now i bootet from ubuntu live-cd and mountet my ext3 disk, but don't know what to do... any ideas? [12:49] <kemik> balistic2: if it's bootable, perhaps [12:49] <balistic2> how can i make it bootable? [12:49] <tim> is epiphany going to be the default browser in ubuntu? [12:49] <tim> ubuntu breezy* [12:49] <thoreauputic> yhager: I've heard guys with 20 years unix experience say "I didn't know that one!" :) [12:49] <shammy> these instructions for ndiswrapper say I need a kernel with source, does ubuntu install the source on it's install? [12:50] <HenryTonto> gents looking for a good video editer, hear that cinlerra is a bit flakey any other good ones? [12:50] <vader1102> Seveas: shammy's question is above my knowledge [12:50] <mcquillg> Hey all. [12:50] <yhager> ubuntu_: look into /etc/lilo.conf (are you sure you are using lilo?). [12:51] <mcquillg> Does Ubuntu run any ipchains rules by default? [12:51] <ubuntu_> yhager, pretty mutch... [12:51] <vader1102> shammy: I have no idea [12:51] <kemik> mcquillg: check it by doint iptables --list [12:52] <jakestah> If I am trying to install Java for FireFox do I put the symbolic link in /etc/mozilla-firefox/plugins ? [12:52] <vader1102> I think I had to download them for madwifi too [12:52] <thoreauputic> mcquillg: iptables, and not really as there are no "open" ports since there are no services running by default [12:52] <shammy> vader1102: is there any way i could use madwifi> If it;s already installed [12:52] <vader1102> shammy: I do not know [12:52] <yhager> ubuntu_: look for a 'default' field there - I think the list starts from 0. you probably have winxp as default, with small timeout for you to choose something else [12:52] <mcquillg> Yes, but I'm running an https server and the connection attempts are being logged in my /var/log/messages, but not in my apache logs. [12:52] <vader1102> shammy: wish I did [12:53] <shammy> I'll figure this out eventually [12:53] <vader1102> that's how I was lol [12:53] <shammy> time to go attempt to follow these instructions [12:53] <vader1102> Will_: having a hard time? [12:53] <vader1102> shammy: have fun [12:54] <jakestah> Has anyone here set up Java for Firefox? [12:54] <thoreauputic> !java [12:54] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [12:54] <vader1102> jakestah: not I [12:54] <johnstock> hi [12:54] <jakestah> !java [12:54] <johnstock> ask! [12:54] <thoreauputic> !tell jakestah about java [12:55] <ubuntu_> yhager, on win xp i ran partitionmagic8 (or something like that) but it doesn't recognize my ext3... that means something is wrong? [12:55] <holycow> no, it just doesn't support ext3 [12:55] <paulproteus> ubuntu_: It could instead mean Partition Magic isn't designed to recognize ext3 partitions. [12:55] <fuci> I have 2HD, one with windows, and ubuntu, and one with just files and all others.. how do i mount my HD2 ? [12:55] <paulproteus> (Though that seems unlikely....) [12:55] <johnstock> ask! problem with ndiswrapper with broadcom wlan chipset [12:55] <yhager> ubuntu_: if you see the partition from the livecd boot, then I guess it's ok.. [12:56] <ubuntu_> paulproteus, it does recognise... [12:56] <onx> ver irc.laisladelax.com.ar [12:56] <HenryTonto> I did a seach for cinelerra and got no result back, please can someone let me know of any others that i could use [12:56] <jakestah> About the !java thing I get E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5 when I try it [12:56] <vader1102> ubuntu_: I use partition magic a lot and it does see ext3 [12:56] <LasseL> I wonder how ubuntu is going to deal with openoffice2 if they refuse to distribute java [12:56] <thoreauputic> jakestah: that's because you didn't click the link near the top of that page to see how to add the repositories :) [12:57] <jakestah> o [12:57] <thoreauputic> jakestah: or, you didn't update or both :) [12:57] <ubuntu_> yhager, maby theare is some lilo autodetect... or autoconfig? [12:57] <johnstock> ubuntu_: maybe use partition magic recovery floppy with boot [12:57] <vader1102> HenryToronto:http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 [12:57] <ixion> HenryTonto: add this source deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./ [12:57] <harold_> HEllo all [12:58] <yhager> ubuntu_: I don't know of any. Can you paste your lilo.conf to pastebin? [12:58] <skalpel> can u eject the cd from my command line [12:58] <vader1102> eject works for me [12:58] <harold_> Anyone: Know how to compile madwifi for a PowerPC? [12:59] <fuci> Any finnish people here ? [12:59] <thoreauputic> skalpel: use the eject command [12:59] <mjr> fuci, yes, but more on #ubuntu-fi [12:59] <ubuntu_> yhager, pastebin? what is that...? [12:59] <thoreauputic> !pate [12:59] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [12:59] <thoreauputic> !paste [12:59] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [01:00] <MartenH> What does this error mean and how can I correct it? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/910 [01:00] <mjr> LasseL, work is being done in getting OO.org 2 java parts to run with free java implementations [01:00] <ubuntu_> !paste [01:00] <yhager> ubuntu_: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl [01:00] <vader1102> harold_http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ [01:01] <harold_> vader1102: Thanks, but I've been there. [01:01] <vader1102> harold_: http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ sorry for that [01:01] <harold_> vader1102: That's okay. [01:01] <vader1102> that was my best guess [01:01] <MartenH> Some help anyone? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/910 [01:01] <harold_> vader1102: I'm in the middle of compiling madwifi; I just need some help with some of these variables, I think. Like KERNELRELEASE and TARGET and such. [01:01] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [01:02] <vader1102> harold_: http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public/pool-sarge/madwifi/madwifi_20041023-1_i386.build [01:02] <ubuntu_> yhager, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/911 [01:02] <aceb747> is someone was comparing the ubuntu repository with debians what would you say about it? [01:02] <vader1102> that one may help you [01:03] <jasoncohen> harold_, um- you do realize that madwifi is already installed on ubuntu? [01:03] <f_newton> I am so glad that someone has finally brought a debian based os into the forefront [01:03] <jasoncohen> harold_, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 has madwifi. all you have to do is modprobe ath_pci [01:03] <harold_> jasoncohen: Yes, but apparently it doesn't work on PowerPC [01:03] <harold_> jasoncohen: I mean it works, but... [01:03] <jasoncohen> ah [01:03] <vader1102> bbl, need to have a shower [01:04] <jasoncohen> harold_, works, but what? [01:04] <harold_> jasoncohen: ...I'm guessing it has to be compiled. [01:04] <f_newton> as I go about my tasks I am just thrilled at the stability and ease of use [01:04] <harold_> jasoncohen: You see... [01:04] <johnstock> ask! problem with ndiswrapper with broadcom wlan chipset [01:04] <f_newton> broadcom works very well with ndiswrapper [01:04] <yhager> ubuntu_: it looks like it is configured correctly to boot into linux. Try to increase the delay to 200, so you'll have 20 seconds to play with the boot menu [01:04] <Agamotto> Hallo all [01:05] <Raf99> its funny how Ubuntu's dictionary doesn't have the word Ubuntu in it :P [01:05] <yhager> ubuntu_: you'll need to run lilo after the change.. [01:05] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ty [01:05] <jasoncohen> Raf99, what's ubuntu's dictionary? [01:05] <harold_> jasoncohen: ...I compiled it before, with the assistance of a few folks here, and it worked. Yet now that I've removed most of my Ubuntu packages, and reinstalled ubuntu-base, it no longer works. I'm not entirely certain how to compile it correctly. I've been trying by myself all afternoon. [01:05] <thoreauputic> MartenH: no worries :) [01:05] <ubuntu_> yhager, and how i must do that? [01:05] <Raf99> in the menu... [01:06] <Raf99> applicatons/accessories/dictionary [01:06] <tim> I have a question about installation. If I have a wireless keyboard/mouse would I be able to install hoary using those? when would I be able to use it during the install process? Would I need a wired keyboard to install then switch over to a wireless? [01:06] <ixion> when I try apt-get install cinelerra I get a bunch of dependency errors, can I not tell apt to download them? [01:06] <harold_> jasoncohen: When I modprobe ath_pci I get the following error: FATAL: Module ath_pci not found. [01:06] <yhager> ubuntu_: If I remember correctly, just run 'lilo' from the command line, although the case may be different if you booted from a livecd. Check the man page (man lilo, man lilo.conf) [01:07] <f_newton> ubuntu uses lilo? [01:07] <f_newton> I thought it was grub [01:07] <Raf99> tim - from my understanding you need a wired to start the install. [01:07] <rajiv_> I think its Gurb [01:07] <thoreauputic> sudo lilo -v is "verbose" and helps if you made an error [01:07] <ubuntu_> yhager, thanx for wasted time on me... [01:07] <johnstock> f_newton: can you help me for broadcom wlan? [01:07] <jasoncohen> f_newton, grub is used on i386 and amd64 i think [01:07] <f_newton> lilo is limited and obsolete [01:07] <yhager> f_newton: yes, it's grub, but ubuntu_ is pretty sure he is using lilo.. :) [01:08] <jasoncohen> f_newton, lilo is used on ppc i believe and i know it's used on LVM root partitions [01:08] <bimberi> tim: if your wireless k/b works for the bios - ie. to manipulate the setup menu - then there's a good chance it will work for the install [01:08] <jasoncohen> grub can't boot off LVM [01:08] <MartenH> thoreauputic, it tells me it can't lock /var/lib/dpkg (and btw, uname should be uname or my username?) [01:08] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: ppc uses "yaboot" [01:08] <jasoncohen> thoreauputic, oh [01:08] <bimberi> tim: not sure about the mouse tho [01:08] <tim> bimberi, do most BIOS support wireless keyboards? [01:08] <f_newton> johnstock not I am sorry I have known many in fedora who have had success with ndiswrapper and broadcom chipsets but I use an orinoco prism2 card [01:08] <Nevado> any idea why Gnome won't associate VLC with movie files? If I try to add it manually it comes upw ith an error [01:08] <tim> bimberi, and does grub (so I can use my keyboard to choose the kernel/OS to boot) [01:08] <yhager> ubuntu_: you're welcome [01:09] <Raf99> i've never heard of any BIOS supporting wireless. I am getting old thou... 27 this month :S [01:09] <thoreauputic> MartenH: close synaptic or whatever other instance of apt is running: type the command literally as i gave it [01:09] <bimberi> tim: some do. I have a PC built on a mini-itx board that does [01:09] <f_newton> Raf99, er getting old? [01:09] <Raf99> lol [01:09] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [01:09] <rajiv_> anyone using beagle here? [01:09] <f_newton> Raf99, my wireless comes on as I boot the install [01:09] <bimberi> tim: (to your 2nd q) - yes - with similar qualifications [01:09] <Agamotto> Old at 27..... [01:09] <MartenH> thoreauputic, sorry, forgot i had synaptic open in another workspace. getting the pacakge now [01:10] <Raf99> hehe, i'm out folks. [01:10] <tim> bimberi, thx a lot :) [01:10] <thoreauputic> MartenH: easy to do ;) [01:10] <f_newton> but no bios does not initiate a wifi connect but it can initiate a pcmcia card [01:10] <Raf99> time to watch 4400. [01:10] <bimberi> Raf99: You're a spring chicken mate :) [01:10] <f_newton> yeah Raf99 is just a baby [01:10] <Raf99> are you calling me a chick :| ( hehe ) [01:11] <jasoncohen> Nevado, works fine here- right click the file, properties, open with and choose VLC. [01:11] <jasoncohen> "vlc media player" [01:11] <stevenj> just thought I would let everyone know that www.google.com no longer works with the official firestarter (1.0.1) but does however work with backports firestarter (1.0.3) thats crazy it just started not working [01:11] <bimberi> Raf99: :) [01:11] <f_newton> stevenj it works for me [01:11] <f_newton> but I use 1.05 [01:11] <f_newton> uh 6 [01:12] <f_newton> heh [01:12] <thoreauputic> MartenH: just FYI, the $(uname -r) part of that expands to your kernel version ( type uname -r to see what I mean) [01:12] <jasoncohen> stevenj, you sure? [01:12] <stevenj> well until today it worked 1.0.1 so who knows [01:12] <stevenj> no changes [01:12] <LokeDK> where's the sshd log? [01:12] <jasoncohen> stevenj, that didn't happen to me [01:12] <f_newton> stevenj 1.01 is old [01:12] <Nevado> jasoncohen, when I do that it says "Could not add application to the application database" [01:13] <stevenj> yes but thats the "official" ubuntu version [01:13] <MartenH> thoreauputic, I figured that out on my own :) But thanks, it's always nice to know what I'm doing and not just follow blindly [01:13] <stevenj> so now I use backports and it works again [01:13] <CircleofChaos> Is there a channel I can go to, to ask computer hardware questions or can I ask it here? [01:13] <Nevado> jasoncohen, works fine for any other apps... however mine is called "VLC for GNOME" rather than "VLC media player" [01:13] <thoreauputic> MartenH: cool :) And yes, that's why I mentioned it [01:13] <CircleofChaos> May I? [01:13] <MartenH> thoreauputic, I guess I need gcc to. will that package suffice or should I get any of the multitude of other gcc packages avaliabe [01:13] <jasoncohen> Nevado, so, what happens when you choose "vLC for gnome"? [01:14] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sudo apt-get install build-essential [01:14] <direwolf> i was getting an error with the backports all day. I forget what the mirror is..its on forums somewhere [01:14] <chrischio> hm... [01:14] <Nevado> jasoncohen, it comes up with that error (could not add application to application database) [01:14] <stevenj> maybe it was just me...but that was my solution...for whats it worth :) now I eat. :) [01:14] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ah ok, ty [01:14] <linlin> Has anyone ever used CrossoverOffice on ubuntu? [01:14] <linlin> I cant get it to work :( [01:14] <f_newton> stevenj mine says ver1.06 and its the one that came with the install [01:14] <thoreauputic> MartenH: apt-cache show build-essential for info :) [01:14] <chrischio> i downloaded, ./configured, maked and make installed pure-ftpd ... and now? how to start it??? [01:15] <stevenj> f_newton, hmm [01:15] <Nevado> jasoncohen, I have gnome-vlc, vlc, vlc-gnome, and wxvlc installed - think any of those need removing maybe? [01:15] <linlin> chrischio, /etc/init.d/ftpd start most likely [01:15] <jasoncohen> does mozilla-plugin-vlc work with firefox? [01:15] <linlin> if not cd /etc/init.d and look for it [01:15] <DrFalken> hi people! [01:15] <cefx> jason! [01:15] <cefx> :) [01:15] <auk> !info lilypond [01:15] <jasoncohen> Nevado, have you used vlc? is the package vlc installed? [01:15] <ubotu> lilypond: (A program for typesetting sheet music), section universe/tex, is optional. Version: 2.2.6-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1030 kB, Installed size: 2908 kB [01:15] <auk> oh [01:15] <MartenH> thoreauputic, noted :) [01:15] <stevenj> f_newton, official Fs version http://www.fs-security.com/news.php#release-1.0.3 [01:16] <stevenj> versions [01:16] <Nevado> jasoncohen, yeah VLC works fine, just GNOME won't associate it with filetypes so I have to keep running it from the commandline... biut annoying [01:16] <jasoncohen> Nevado, actually it shows up as "VLC for Gtk+" [01:16] <DrFalken> i'm having trouble running my .xsession file [01:16] <balistic2> can i install ubuntu using network boot [01:16] <CircleofChaos> Is it possible to use a 115V Computer in Europe? [01:16] <deprave> what package is gstreamer-interfaces in? [01:16] <DrFalken> i'm using gdm from login [01:16] <Nevado> jasoncohen, I have that too... same error... I'll try removing the "vlc-gnome" package and see if that helps [01:16] <bimberi_> bah - modem dropped out [01:16] <CircleofChaos> What will I need to make it happen? [01:17] <stevenj> f_newton, strange because 1.0.3 is the newest [01:17] <jasoncohen> Nevado, that is weird [01:17] <linlin> Has anyone ever used CrossoverOffice on ubuntu? [01:17] <chrischio> linlin - nothing there.. [01:17] <jasoncohen> Nevado, i'm getting the same things here now [01:17] <thoreauputic> MartenH: for more info than you ever dreamed of, sudo apt-get install apt-howto-en ; then run apt-howto froma terminal ! ;-) [01:17] <stevenj> f_newton, what does help --> about say? [01:17] <Agamotto> CircleofChaos: Usually, yes. Flip the little switch on the back of the power supply, then plug in a lead with the right end bits. [01:17] <Nevado> jasoncohen, did it work for you before? :\ [01:17] <deprave> what package is gstreamer-interfaces in? [01:17] <linlin> chris try jsut ftpd start in a console [01:17] <linlin> or proftpd start [01:17] <linlin> etc etc [01:17] <f_newton> ver 1.06 [01:18] <chrischio> pure ftpd^ [01:18] <thoreauputic> MartenH: or the equivalent package for your language of course... [01:18] <linlin> you get the idea [01:18] <f_newton> stevenj this is not my first rodeo [01:18] <bimberi_> CircleofChaos: Depends. Some h/w (eg. laptop power supplies) have dual-voltage. Some don't even need a switch and are auto-sensing. [01:18] <stevenj> f_newton, well where does that version come from I wonder....its not versioned like that on the FS site [01:18] <CircleofChaos> Agamotto, where do I get the correct power cable to use in Europe? [01:18] <CircleofChaos> Does newegg sell it? [01:19] <jasoncohen> Nevado, just add custom application "vlc" [01:19] <jasoncohen> that works [01:19] <DrFalken> i'm having trouble running my .xsession file... it isn't loaded when i login in GDM... [01:19] <Agamotto> CircleofChaos: Try an online store such as cyberguys or ipower. They should have the correct leads [01:19] <Nevado> jasoncohen, typed in rather than selected? [01:19] <f_newton> stevenj its the latest version of firefox ok? it probably updated on installation of ubuntu [01:19] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ok :) [01:19] <MartenH> thoreauputic, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/912 please? [01:20] <thoreauputic> DrFalken: choose the defult in the sessions list [01:20] <f_newton> stevenj versions 1.04 and down have serious security errors [01:20] <Nevado> jasoncohen, ah yes that works... cheers... that's odd though! [01:20] <DrFalken> thanx bud!!! [01:20] <DrFalken> i'll check that [01:20] <chrischio> linlin - hmm... cursor blinks but nothing happens.. [01:20] <Zodiac> Sup ya'll [01:20] <jasoncohen> Nevado, yes it is [01:20] <stevenj> f_newton, I am not even taking about Firefox-I am talking about FS (Firestarter) [01:20] <Agamotto> Firestarter - that is a firewall, yes? [01:20] <f_newton> lol oh... well gee guess I saw that wrong [01:21] <CircleofChaos> Thank you! I will try the stores. :) [01:21] <MartenH> thoreauputic, it almost looks like the file I downloaded wasn't correct.. odd.. it is stated as working [01:21] <stevenj> :) [01:21] <Zodiac> Question, I have an IBM laptop with a USB disk drive... but I can't get the bitch to work... [01:21] <thoreauputic> MartenH: this one I can't help with, I'm afraid [01:21] <Zodiac> Is there something I should be doing then just plugging it in?? [01:22] <f_newton> well tell her you'll buy her a volvo [01:22] <thoreauputic> MartenH: are you following a howto? [01:22] <MartenH> thoreauputic, darn. ok well I'll try another version and hopefully it won't have those errors [01:22] <f_newton> then you can sit home with your ibm laptop [01:22] <MartenH> thoreauputic, yes, however it only stated to run the "make" command which, as you see, isn't wokring :/ [01:23] <thoreauputic> MartenH: check to see if you need automake [01:23] <Goodspeed> someone say goodspeed [01:23] <Goodspeed> i wanna test my soundcard [01:23] <kaffeend> heya [01:23] <_SWAT_> is there a way of seeing which packages I have installed on my PC? (instead of remembering them all) [01:23] <MartenH> thoreauputic, FYI http://alpha.dyndns.org/ov511/install.html [01:23] <Goodspeed> sommeone say goodspeed [01:23] <HollowFrank> /nick Sphere_o_ph33r [01:23] <Goodspeed> so i can test my soundcard [01:24] <misfit_toy> goodspeed [01:24] <bretzel> Hello there, Where to put nice Ubuntu screenshots ? [01:24] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me what I need to do to play games on Ubunto please? [01:24] <Goodspeed> damn [01:24] <f_newton> goodspeed [01:24] <f_newton> not working? [01:24] <Goodspeed> the internal sound player thing beeps [01:24] <Goodspeed> not my speakers :( [01:24] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, try Cedega [01:24] <f_newton> misfit_toy, watcha doon in here? lol [01:24] <harold_> Who is this Seveas? [01:24] <harold_> LOL [01:24] <_SWAT_> Seveas is a very helpfull person :D [01:25] <Goodspeed> i hear something when i hit default sink and set it to alsa [01:25] <bretzel> And also I need where to get latest KDE (3.4.2) ... -> kubuntu repo ??? [01:25] <_SWAT_> bretzel, try a webspace somewhere? :P [01:25] <harold_> Hey Ubuntuheads, I got my Wi-Fi connection working again! Madwifi! [01:25] <Goodspeed> but when i set deafult source to alsa and test it freezes [01:25] <kaffeend> SWAT I am reading that page and I'm completely lost - looks like I have to write the games myself lol [01:25] <Goodspeed> and i hear nothing [01:25] <InquiringMind> Because Ubuntu is open source and there are tons more people working on it, more than there are with the Mac OS X, why isnt Ubuntu so much better and easier to use than OSX [01:25] <bretzel> _SWAT_: :-) indeed I am stupid :-) [01:25] <thoreauputic> MartenH: did you edit the makefile as it suggests? INCLUDEDIR=/path_to_kernel_source/include << run dpkg -L linux-headers-$(uname -r) to see where it installed [01:26] <glick> hey does anyone have any idea why my shit segfaulted when i tried to build backports of the breezy wxpython src package? [01:26] <harold_> It's mad, I tell ya!Q [01:26] <harold_> (Maddening.) [01:26] <harold_> Am I alone here? [01:26] <MartenH> thoreauputic, in the process of doing so now :) [01:26] <glick> it was building fine for like 40 mins [01:26] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, just pay up the 3 euro's a month and buy the program. Then you can play lots of games and even have a nice GUI (point2play) :D [01:26] <thoreauputic> MartenH: unless it *really* needs the full linux-source [01:26] <glick> then segfaulted and the build aborted [01:26] <glick> i need the latest wxpython [01:26] <tim> InquiringMind, because very few people are getting payed for workin on ubuntu.... [01:26] <kaffeend> SWAT cool... I will do that then! Thankyou [01:26] <elvirolo> hi all [01:26] <kaffeend> SWAT are you Seveas? [01:27] <Razor-X> Seveas has become famous here, I see ;) [01:27] <direwolf> not to mention its a newer distro [01:27] <elvirolo> i want to add the volume control applet in the gnome panel, but it doesn't work... could anyone help me? [01:27] <kaffeend> indeed [01:27] <thoreauputic> MartenH: note that in ubuntu kernel-source becomes linux-source [01:27] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, no I'm not Seveas. Why should my name be SWAT otherwise? [01:27] <Razor-X> Seveas: if you're listening, a nice spreadsheet equilavent for LaTeX is LaTeXss [01:28] <_SWAT_> or Calc (openoffice) [01:28] <glick> any one successfully backport wxpython2.6.0 to hoary? [01:28] <kaffeend> SWAT - you could be hiding/spying/avoiding wife [01:28] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: does that take the purpose of LaTeX? [01:28] <elvirolo> anyone? [01:28] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, LOL (I'm a happy single guy, it has his advantages) [01:29] <MartenH> thoreauputic, same errors sadly. But they look to be code-related rather than some inclusion issues... I'll do some looking around. perhaps I can get hold of the author [01:29] <cefx> anyone here run cedega? [01:29] <kaffeend> SWAT - I know ;) [01:29] <Razor-X> cefx: #cedega ;) [01:29] <thoreauputic> elvirolo: normally you right click the panel, run down the list and add it... [01:29] <cefx> I'm in there. [01:29] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, no sorry. I just read spreadsheet program so I answered the call ;-) [01:29] <cefx> Nobody is talk. [01:29] <Razor-X> heh, meh [01:29] <cefx> talking [01:29] <_SWAT_> cefx, I'm [01:29] <direwolf> i thought it was there by default [01:29] <kaffeend> Razor-X are you intending to play many games? [01:29] <FuMo> any here one got ruby on rails working? [01:29] <MartenH> thoreauputic, thanks for all the help so far! [01:29] <Razor-X> yeah, I prefer non-WYSIWYG, because WYSIWYG becomes a pain, but if Gnumeric is nice... [01:30] <Razor-X> kaffeend: hmmm? [01:30] <elvirolo> thoreauputic, oh hi again [01:30] <thoreauputic> MartenH: good luck - you seem to be thinking which is refreshing ;-) [01:30] <Razor-X> then i'll use it, and convert it to LaTeX format to make it beautiful! ;) [01:30] <elvirolo> thoreauputic, yes i did that, but it just won't add it to the panel [01:30] <cefx> _SWAT_, cedega does not see my c_drive/windows directories. [01:30] <kaffeend> Razor-X sorry I thought you were ASKING about cedega - my bad [01:30] <cefx> I don't understand why. [01:30] <Razor-X> kaffeend: meh [01:31] <Agamotto> Cedega - that is the softs that allow you to play windows games, yes? [01:31] <_SWAT_> cefx, check the forums (post something) and wait. And/or say something on IRC and just wait. I'm quite new to Cedega [01:31] <thoreauputic> elvirolo: ah - have you tried refreshing the panel? killall gnome-panel (don't worry, it respawns) [01:31] <goldfish> Agamotto: yes. [01:31] <brad[] > Is Luxi sans available for Ubuntu? [01:31] <brad[] > (The font) [01:31] <kaffeend> Agamotto - yup, as far as I know [01:31] <Razor-X> I converted my special friend (how special, I won't say ;) to Ubuntu [01:31] <Agamotto> Hmmm, I wonder if it will allow you to play stuff like Baldur's Gate 2 and the upcoming Civ4? [01:32] <glick> anyone here backport wxpython from breezy to hoary? [01:32] <InquiringMind> How do I configure 3D acceleration for VIA so that I can use 3d desktop ? [01:32] <Agamotto> I shall have to investigate [01:32] <Razor-X> Civ4... mmmm, I would love to play that game [01:32] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, nice :) [01:32] <thoreauputic> brad[] : not sure - but have you installed msttcorefonts ? (from multiverse) [01:32] <Razor-X> I have a Windows partition _just_ for Civ 3 [01:32] <elvirolo> thoreauputic, actually i've already tried it yeah [01:32] <kaffeend> I'm a Ubuntu/Linux n00b so I'm hangin here hoping to learn something [01:32] <direwolf> hey i resemble that remark razor :P [01:32] <brad[] > thoreauputic: Yeah - luxi sans comes with Xorg usually though it's not a Microsoft font [01:32] <kaffeend> hopefully about cedega [01:32] <FuMo> I converted from gentoo when i recked my laptop battary leaving it to compile for a week [01:32] <Razor-X> direwolf: hmmmm? [01:32] <Agamotto> kaffeend: Like any other chat channel, just mind your manners and you will do ok [01:32] <direwolf> same here kaffeend [01:32] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, try the forums (of both cedega and ubuntu :D) [01:32] <thoreauputic> brad[] : ah OK - i was just guessing, frankly ;) [01:32] <Razor-X> kaffeend: try #cedega [01:32] <direwolf> though, not about cedega [01:33] <jasoncohen> does mozilla-plugin-vlc work in firefox? [01:33] <jasoncohen> it doesn't appear to [01:33] <Vladi> hi, im trying to decide which file system to use on a network file server ( dual p3-450Mhz / 512 RAM / 100Mbits NIC ) files will be mostly ~700MB and MP3's shared over NFS? ReiserFS,Reiser4,ext3,XFS,JFS? thx! [01:33] <kaffeend> I wanna know if Cedega will alow me to port the 64 bit vers of Far Cry [01:33] <Agamotto> Cegega URL is transgaming.org for those who are interested [01:33] <Razor-X> Vladi: ~700? [01:33] <Razor-X> does that mean not 700 MB? [01:33] <Razor-X> ;) [01:33] <kaffeend> and yes, I have all those sites/pages up [01:33] <Agamotto> 64 bit??? eeek [01:33] <direwolf> approx [01:34] <InquiringMind> How do I configure 3D acceleration for VIA so that I can use 3d desktop ? [01:34] <_SWAT_> Vladi, that's not much. (700MB). I would say ext2 or even better ext3. It just works :) [01:34] <maswan> Vladi: ext3 seems fine for 100Mbit/s network2 [01:34] <kaffeend> Razor_X I'll check that channel soon ;) [01:34] <_SWAT_> Vladi, it isn't that big of a deal, just choose one [01:34] <Razor-X> Vladi: a 700 MB partition, or what? [01:34] <elvirolo> any idea anyone? [01:34] <kaffeend> Agamotto what "eeek"? [01:34] <Razor-X> you people shouldn't reccomend any old blah partition ;) [01:34] <Vladi> Razor-X: ~ means approximately 700MB files [01:35] <Razor-X> Vladi: ahhh, there we go [01:35] <andy_> reiserfs is ok [01:35] <Razor-X> Vladi: ok, here we are [01:35] <sbj> bye [01:35] <Razor-X> ReiserFS isn't for your needs [01:35] <majic> any ideas why firefox 1.0.6 would tell me that the flash plugin is failing to install. I've done it about a million times on various boxes and this is the first time I've got that message. This is a brand new Hoary install with all current updates. [01:35] <Razor-X> ReiserFS will be for a lot of small files [01:35] <nox> ext3 = ext2 + journaling FS support. [01:35] <Razor-X> now, you would like to take a look at jfs, xfs, or the generic ext2/ext3 [01:35] <glick> damnit i need this damn library workin [01:35] <maswan> ext3 will be the one most used around the world, so it will be most stable [01:35] <Razor-X> both ext2 and ext2 are nice an solid, but nothing special [01:35] <Vladi> can u guys elaboraty why one over the other i heard ext3 beacuse of its many recovery tools and does not stress hard drives as much [01:35] <Razor-X> xfs is insanely fast [01:36] <Razor-X> and jfs is great for server environments [01:36] <kaffeend> well, I'ma gonna check #cedega later peeps [01:36] <nox> Razor-X is right. RFS`s speciallity is small files - but in general it is better from EXT3 [01:36] <maswan> if you have performance demands above 100-200MByte/s, you might want to take a look at xfs/jfs [01:36] <kaffeend> and thanks guys again [01:36] <holycow> slick [01:36] <K-Rich> how do i add and remove locations from the places menu ? [01:36] <holycow> western digital hds come in black [01:36] <maswan> (oh, an really take a good look at what hardware you are running that on) [01:36] <holycow> weird, never seen that b4 [01:36] <zedrontz> hola [01:36] <Razor-X> on a server, I don't think journaling will be _that_ useful, but that's just my opinion [01:37] <FuMo> razor-x: surly that is when its most useful? [01:37] <zedrontz> euskaldunik bai hemen inguruan?? [01:37] <Razor-X> FuMo: and why? [01:37] <zedrontz> join #lagunak [01:37] <Razor-X> if it's a bunch of MP3s, is journaling that neccessary? [01:37] <david_> hello [01:37] <Razor-X> i'ld think journaling is most useful in an environment when you _need_ to keep track of the files [01:38] <FuMo> Razor-X:generally servers hold information that requires data intergrity [01:38] <Razor-X> but, in this purpose, it's just MP3s [01:38] <glick> all the md5 checksums match [01:38] <searcher`> Razor-X: when you see that ext2 filesystem eats itself after the system loses power you'll be glad when you went with ext3 :-) [01:38] <glick> wtf [01:38] <maswan> FuMo: they only do metadata journaling, not data [01:38] <Razor-X> searcher`: for _these_ purposes, I think journaling is useless, because it's more of a waste of space here [01:39] <Harold> Afternoon from my part of the world, everyone. [01:39] <FuMo> but for this size file system [01:39] <K-Rich> can anyone here help me with a small gnome issue? [01:39] <FuMo> granted dont use gournaling for a boot partion [01:39] <maswan> Razor-X: the journal doesn't really take up significant space, indeed, you might win it back if you get a slightly more efficient on-disk format [01:39] <FuMo> or similar small partions [01:39] <InquiringMind> Does anybody know where I can get a proprietary VIA driver? [01:39] <Harold> Anyone: What's your opinion on the best compression utility? One all-around utility that includes zip, tar, and the like? I don't want to have to install too many separate ones. [01:40] <Razor-X> i'll stand by my claim that, on an MP3 server, I wouldn't want journaling, but that's just me ;) [01:40] <searcher`> Razor-X: it really doesn't use any space at all [01:40] <glick> tar and bz2 [01:40] <LinuxJones> K-Rich, search the wiki for smeg download and install it [01:40] <Razor-X> Harold: 7z is nice [01:40] <Harold> jasoncohen: Got madwifi working on my Mac again. [01:40] <searcher`> now the reserved space for root EATS space [01:40] <jasoncohen> Harold, nice, how did you do it? [01:40] <Harold> Razor-X: 7z, huh? Never heard of it. [01:40] <glick> but you need all of the seperate ones cause some people use zip [01:40] <searcher`> it defaults to 5% (which is insane for large drives) [01:40] <FuMo> 7z is worth using [01:40] <glick> some use bz [01:40] <jasoncohen> ...so, no one uses the vlc plugin? i can't get it to work with mozilla or mplayer [01:40] <Razor-X> Harold: 7zip is a pretty new format [01:40] <Harold> jasoncohen: Compiled it right, I guess. [01:40] <glick> some use bz2 and others use rar [01:40] <Harold> Razor-X: Yes, but does 7z include tar and rar, etc? [01:40] <K-Rich> LinuxJones: i have smeg... it doesn't let you edit the Places menu [01:40] <maswan> Razor-X: I disagre, I like it, since doing an e2fsck on a large filesystem is quite annoying in that it takes so long [01:40] <glick> so you may as well have them all, they dont take up too much disk space [01:41] <direwolf> i use 7zip on windows boxes [01:41] <Razor-X> Harold: you computer should have tar included, and 7z can handle rar, if i'm not mistaken [01:41] <_SWAT_> is there a way of seeing which packages I have installed on my PC? (instead of remembering them all) [01:41] <Harold> Razor-X: I'll install 7z then. [01:41] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: dpkg -l [01:41] <jasoncohen> _SWAT_, you can check in synaptic or dpkg -l [01:41] <searcher`> K-Rich: you can add additional locations to Places by bookmarking a directory in nautilus. It's in the menu [01:41] <K-Rich> _SWAT_: dpkg -l [01:41] <Harold> Anyone else have an opinion on this? [01:41] <LinuxJones> K-Rich, argh, sorry I just assumed it did [01:41] <holycow> jasoncohen, not me i've always liked streams to play in dedicated standalone apps. i am going to hire someone to write an epiphany extension so that i can click on a stream and have it open automatically in the right app [01:41] <holycow> :/ [01:42] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, jasoncohen, K-Rich, thnx guys :D [01:42] <Harold> jasoncohen: I found the instruction I needed to compile (specifically on a Mac) here: http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=power_pc [01:42] <Razor-X> holycow: it's your opinion ;), everythin in one, or one in everything [01:42] <Razor-X> (I prefer one in everything) [01:42] <direwolf> i like 7zip as well harold [01:42] <Harold> holycow: Forget streaming. Podcasting is where it's at these days. Get BashPodder. [01:42] <direwolf> and yeah it handles rar [01:42] <holycow> podcasting? [01:42] <holycow> heh [01:43] <holycow> no thanks [01:43] <holycow> :) [01:43] <Harold> direwolf: Thanks for your input on this. [01:43] <Harold> holycow: Why not? [01:43] <Razor-X> the whole podcasting/blogger words are useless uses of the English language [01:43] <direwolf> np [01:43] <holycow> Harold, its just an alergic reaction to steve jobs [01:43] <kaffeend> whoever sent me to #cedega thanks, but nobody is talking there. [01:43] <Razor-X> podcast == MP3s on RSS [01:43] <Razor-X> blog == any old website [01:43] <direwolf> dont own an ipod [01:43] <Harold> holycow: Podcasting has nothing to do with Steve Jobs; it began in the open source community. [01:43] <FuMo> holycow: steve jobs jumped on the bandwagon [01:44] <Razor-X> _years_ before the term ``blog'' was coined, websites used to update daily or weekly [01:44] <holycow> really? [01:44] <Harold> FuMo: That's exactly right. [01:44] <holycow> is it an open protocol? is it a protocol at all? [01:44] <FuMo> community yes but open source? [01:44] <Razor-X> I really don't understand why everyone likes the words ``blog'' and ``podcasting'' so much ;) [01:44] <Razor-X> holycow: it's RSS [01:44] <direwolf> listen to a couple of the podcasts though...twit,diggnation mainly [01:44] <holycow> ah [01:44] <Razor-X> like I said, it's a uselessly coined word [01:44] <holycow> weird [01:44] <Harold> holycow: Yes; Adam Curry began an open source project called iPodder, which took off. Apple just jumped in recently. [01:44] <Agamotto> A question for those using Ubuntu and love to experiment: when you go from say, the i386 kernel to the Athlon kernel, what sort of broken programs/processes can one expect? [01:44] <mjr> Agamotto, none [01:44] <jaegerMeister> hi folks [01:44] <f_newton> is there any way to check the color depth of an ubuntu installation? [01:44] <mjr> Agamotto, if you have an athlon, that is [01:44] <Goodspeed> how do i find packages? [01:44] <Razor-X> I listen to TWiT, KFI, diggnation, and tllts [01:44] <Goodspeed> apt-get find [01:44] <Goodspeed> ? [01:44] <jaegerMeister> what is the default root password in ubuntu? [01:44] <holycow> Harold, thx for the heads up, i'll give it a google [01:45] <MartenH> thoreauputic, Ok, I think I managed to build the driver.. I ran make install instead and it didn't yield any errors and I got a ov51x.ko file in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media am I reading this right? [01:45] <Razor-X> Goodspeed: apt-cache search [01:45] <Harold> Razor-X: Alot of people don't like the term "podcasting", but it stuck and so even the most diehard against it are using it to keep things simple. [01:45] <direwolf> whatever you made it [01:45] <thoreauputic> Agamotto: using the right kernel won't break anything :) [01:45] <f_newton> jaegerMeister, that one is sudo and your user psswd [01:45] <Agamotto> mjr: So, the nvidia setup and all that will stay the same and work properly if you have installed the nvidia drivers? [01:45] <Razor-X> Harold: I hate the word ``blog'' [01:45] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed, apt-cache search <file> [01:45] <Razor-X> it's one of those words that really prick at me [01:45] <jaegerMeister> ok thanks f_newton :) [01:45] <mjr> Agamotto, if you boot the athlon kernel on an i386, on the other hand, you can expect it not to :) [01:45] <FuMo> Razor-X: what about bliky then? [01:45] <thoreauputic> MartenH: I have no idea ;) [01:45] <MartenH> thoreauputic, lol, ok [01:45] <Razor-X> FuMo: hmmm? [01:45] <mjr> Agamotto, haven't the foggiest on out-of-tree proprietary drivers [01:45] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sounds impressive though ;) [01:46] <mjr> may be that they'd need to be recompiled, may not [01:46] <andy_> anyone got sound working on a thinkpad 600? [01:46] <Harold> Razor-X: Yeah, the term "blog" isn't pretty. But again, it's what the technology/technique has come to be called, so I use it, too. [01:46] <Razor-X> Harold: why waste perfectly good words on nothing? [01:46] <Harold> Razor-X: It *is* an ugly-sounding word, though, isn't it? [01:46] <thoreauputic> MartenH: the test is whether you can modprobe it I suppose [01:46] <Razor-X> I still don't understand.... [01:46] <Razor-X> Harold: yeah, it is [01:46] <cefx> .deb files are installed with dpkg -i right? [01:46] <FuMo> Razor-X:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliki [01:46] <majic> any ideas why firefox 1.0.6 would tell me that the flash plugin is failing to install. I've done it about a million times on various boxes and this is the first time I've got that message. This is a brand new Hoary install with all current updates. [01:46] <f_newton> so is ubuntu [01:46] <direwolf> running ubuntu on my old laptop :( i need new computers [01:46] <Agamotto> mjr: I have an Athlon 2400, and haven't gathered the courage to move to the Athlon kernel image, as I don't want stuff to stop working. I know that I can go back to the 386 kernel, but just wanted to do some brain-picking [01:46] <f_newton> but I bet thats regionally specific [01:46] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me if Cedega will allow me to run the 64 bit version of FarCry please? [01:46] <Razor-X> but the fact of hte matter is, the web page was updated on a regular basis from the time of 14.4 k/s internet [01:46] <Harold> Razor-X: They thought it was cool to shorten the term "weblog". [01:47] <f_newton> and would not sound so if i were from a different region of the world [01:47] <Razor-X> s/hte/the/ [01:47] <Harold> Razor-X: "Blog" sounds like a booger or something. [01:47] <searcher`> Agamotto: just install linux-686 [01:47] <direwolf> hahaha [01:47] <Razor-X> Harold: ``they'' also use ``OMG WTF???!!!111'' [01:47] <Harold> "I'm working on my blog hear...achooo!" [01:47] <Agamotto> searcher: That would work fine with an Athlon chip? [01:47] <chrischio> is there a way to get the files showed in the same window when changing dir?? on every dir-change a new window(old closed) is not nice on slower systems!! [01:48] <f_newton> blog was coined by the us republican party wasnt it? [01:48] <direwolf> would 686 work with a k6-2? [01:48] <MartenH> thoreauputic, I guess it didn't work then "/ darn [01:48] <searcher`> Agamotto: that one does on my Barton 2600+ [01:48] <Harold> Razor-X: Still, I use the term - it's done and the arguments about the term are over. Same with the term "podcast", though I'll bet Microsoft wants to change that one. [01:48] <Razor-X> whoever it was coined by, it's a _useless_ word [01:48] <Razor-X> nothing like the elegance of ``adware'' [01:48] <thoreauputic> MartenH: leave out the .ko [01:48] <searcher`> Agamotto: although i don't really notice any improvement from changing [01:48] <Razor-X> or ``spyware'' [01:48] <direwolf> i dont think its the word itself even just that you hear it everywhere now [01:48] <Harold> Razor-X: Apparently Microsoft employees refer to podcasts as "blogcasts". [01:48] <FuMo> yer that wont last tho [01:48] <Razor-X> Harold: noooo!!!! [01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: How's that for your worst nightmare of a term? [01:49] <Agamotto> searcher: Ok, thanks for the advice. I am trying to get rid of Win completely this year, and so far Ubuntu is making it easy [01:49] <f_newton> Razor-X, consider the source... [01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: I'm serious. [01:49] <Razor-X> I will henceforth call it... Internet Radio!!! ;) [01:49] <thoreauputic> MartenH: mean, when you do sudo modprobe <modulename> [01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: Yes, good idea. [01:49] <Razor-X> f_newton: heh, yeah, if that's the source... ;) [01:49] <f_newton> Agamotto, its easy to dump windows [01:49] <Agamotto> Now I just have to read through the transgaming site and find my favorite game to see if they will run without win [01:49] <f_newton> that is... [01:49] <phixion> !backports [01:49] <andy_> chrischio yes - set always use browser in the preferences of eh... something [01:49] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [01:49] <Razor-X> how about... ``iradio''? [01:49] <Agamotto> f_newton: Yah, but I still like to run games as well [01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: It's funny you say that, because that's what I've been calling it, Internet radio. I refer to both streaming and podcasting as Internet radio. [01:49] <FuMo> its good for apple at the moment but the term pod will become just the the word hover did in the uk [01:49] <cefx> Christ. GLXGears only gives me 1100-1200 FPS. [01:49] <DJChaos> I love you Apt-GET! [01:50] <cefx> How shitty is THAT? [01:50] <cefx> =( [01:50] <Harold> FuMo: I forget...what was hover? [01:50] <Razor-X> DJChaos: you're loving the wrong app [01:50] <f_newton> Razor-X, a group calling themeselves the young republicans [01:50] <Razor-X> aptitude is way better ;) [01:50] <direwolf> dont ask me that [01:50] <DJChaos> heh [01:50] <DJChaos> oh wait. [01:50] <DJChaos> I'm already connected here. [01:50] <DJChaos> .... [01:50] <MartenH> thoreauputic, still get the same errors I had to begin with so :/ [01:50] <Razor-X> f_newton: that's why ``blog'' is such a stupid word ;) [01:50] <DJChaos> OH [01:50] <DJChaos> duh [01:50] <f_newton> well yeah [01:50] <Chaotic_Shield> lol [01:50] <Harold> Okay, gotta go, everyone... [01:50] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm stupid. [01:50] <thoreauputic> cefx: be happy - I only get about 200 fps [01:50] <Harold> Catch you all later! [01:50] <kaffeend> anyone know anything about the "third generation"? [01:50] <direwolf> im sitting here on a satellite2100cdt [01:50] <searcher`> thoreauputic: hey, me too :-) [01:50] <Chaotic_Shield> I moved this XChat window to another workstation and minimized the window. [01:50] <chrischio> andy_ hm? where? i dont find an option like this [01:50] <Harold> hAPPY uBUNTU-ing [01:50] <direwolf> ollld [01:51] <Razor-X> I can't wait for the next word the masses will coin [01:51] <Harold> exit [01:51] <Razor-X> something equally stupid that already has a good enough word attached to it [01:51] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah I know [01:51] <searcher`> cefx: glxgears is hardly a reliable benchmarking tool [01:51] <Chaotic_Shield> yay! [01:51] <f_newton> please dont get me started... [01:51] <Chaotic_Shield> I r uber codecified. [01:51] <Chaotic_Shield> :-p [01:51] <Agamotto> Ooooo, cedega can even do Knights of the Old Republic... oooooo [01:51] <f_newton> I just want to change the color depth on this install [01:51] <f_newton> HOW? [01:51] <kaffeend> Agamotto - really? nice [01:52] <Razor-X> what really gets me about the word ``blog'' is that, news networks just _pour_ over ``What the bloggers say'' [01:52] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ok, thigns are starting to make sence... need to get that make command working. Going to try another version of the file and then try to reach the author.. but first, off to bed! [01:52] <cefx> f_newton, dpkg something [01:52] <Razor-X> these friggin ``bloggers'' have been available since personal internet was, it's nothing _special_ [01:52] <MartenH> thoreauputic, thanks for the help, see you around [01:52] <cefx> reconfigure-xserver xorg or something? i don't know [01:52] <direwolf> well you could do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [01:52] <f_newton> cefx thats an installation thingy [01:52] <cefx> no its not [01:52] <thoreauputic> MartenH: see you - sleep well :) [01:52] <cefx> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do that f_newton [01:52] <cefx> and you'll get the option to change color depth [01:52] <f_newton> that has to be done in init3 right? [01:52] <Razor-X> but, I guess nobody cares now ;) [01:53] <thoreauputic> cefx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [01:53] <FuMo> its a fad [01:53] <direwolf> one of the few commands i know for linux hahaha [01:53] <Razor-X> FuMo: a stupid fad, that's what [01:53] <f_newton> I care Razor-X but its not a popular view point [01:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, the internet gets bastardized by the non technologically advanced, deal with it. [01:53] <direwolf> trying to get make to work for rtl8180-sa2400 driver [01:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Same thing with computers. [01:53] <geneo93> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [01:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Unix wasn't easy, so out came Windows. [01:53] <Razor-X> f_newton: i've never been ``popular'' ever [01:53] <direwolf> ack [01:54] <InquiringMind> Is there a limit to how long I should leave my computer on in terms of my hard disk breaking, etc? [01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> It's an attempt to make computing available to the masses. [01:54] <direwolf> xerox was first [01:54] <FuMo> ah here we go... [01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> InquiringMind, yes. If you run Windows, 2 days or less, if you run anything else, forever. [01:54] <InquiringMind> Chaotic_Shield: are you kidding? [01:54] <Razor-X> well, i'm not about to say ``OMG, if the masses say it, I'll have to say it too'' [01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> no. [01:54] <Razor-X> ;) [01:54] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: not really - I have a current uptime of 40 days and lots of people extend into years [01:54] <direwolf> inot necessarily chaotic [01:54] <InquiringMind> i could run my computer technically forever without it breaking? [01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> I've seen Linux systems run for a very long time. [01:54] <Razor-X> InquiringMind: no [01:54] <cefx> how do you uninstall something? I forget. [01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> well, assuming you don't do stupid shit [01:55] <InquiringMind> I mean hardware wise [01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Oh. [01:55] <InquiringMind> I never open my box [01:55] <Razor-X> InquiringMind: hardware always breaks down [01:55] <Razor-X> as does anything mechanical [01:55] <cefx> InquiringMind, the longer you leave it on the longer it will last. [01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Your HDD, etc will wear down eventually. [01:55] <direwolf> ive had 98se run for 20something days without a reboot [01:55] <InquiringMind> *except my girlfriends lol * [01:55] <cefx> Turning it on and off will hurt it more. [01:55] <Razor-X> cefx: not true [01:55] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: keep backups - when it goes, it goes [01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> heh. [01:55] <cefx> yes, very true Razor [01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Linux is nicer to your HDD because of the lack of pagefile. [01:55] <f_newton> well so much for the dpkg reconfigure thing [01:55] <FuMo> thoreauputic: funny thing is that because of the counter not having enough bits it roll's over after a bit over a year [01:55] <Razor-X> leaving it on for too long means that the hard drive is constantly working it's mechanical parts [01:55] <f_newton> next ? [01:55] <FuMo> on linux that is [01:55] <direwolf> hardware take more of a hit from powering on than anything else, i believe [01:55] <cefx> when you turn something off and allow it cool down, then turn it back on it goes into a heated state where it's at higher risk for damage [01:55] <Razor-X> which means that the computer will last much much shorter [01:56] <niktaris> is there a ubuntu netinstall iso? [01:56] <thoreauputic> FuMo: yes - although I thought I read that had changed with 2.6 kernels? [01:56] <Razor-X> cefx: but, if you wait a week between the shutdown and restart, I don't think it'll hurt too much [01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> cefx, yeah. Scientists have been trying to figure out how to stop it for years. [01:56] <InquiringMind> How long has your hard drive lasted before blowing up or breaking whatever? [01:56] <FuMo> how long has 2.6 been stable enough to use tho? [01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Mine has never broken! [01:56] <f_newton> about a year FuMo [01:56] <InquiringMind> Chaotic Shield: never? [01:56] <kaffeend> Agamotto where on that page did you find the list of available games please? [01:56] <FuMo> we still run redhad 7.2 for crying out load [01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Except for when I leaned on it [01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Which was "user" error :-P [01:56] <InquiringMind> lol [01:57] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: ;) [01:57] <Chaotic_Shield> (I'm running a laptop, where the HDD was under the palm rest) [01:57] <searcher`> InquiringMind: 7 years and counting for the 20gb in the little server, withstanding serious abuse :-) [01:57] <Chaotic_Shield> what a stupid freakin idea. [01:57] <Razor-X> RH7 was the last good RH distro, IMO [01:57] <Chaotic_Shield> Whoever designed it like that should be shot. [01:57] <f_newton> FuMo, ubuntu, fedora, mandriva all have really changed linux [01:57] <InquiringMind> wow....cuz i dont want to spend money on parts that will break...thinking about taking my idea of a flashdrive hard disk [01:57] <InquiringMind> into consideration [01:57] <FuMo> not debian? [01:57] <Razor-X> f_newton: Debian changed it more [01:57] <cefx> How do I change resolution if it was selected in the reconfiguring? [01:58] <Razor-X> Fedora and Mandrake may have made Linux more user friendly, but Debian and Slackware have pushed the bleeding edge [01:58] <cefx> "The X server does not support XRandR extension." [01:58] <thoreauputic> !resolution [01:58] <FuMo> DEBIAN BLEEDING EDGE?!? [01:58] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto [01:58] <f_newton> Razor-X, personally I like debian, but honestly it was redhat that brought linux into the forefront and effectively pitched battle with ms [01:58] <PHZN> Is there a way to check system uptime? [01:58] <searcher`> Razor-X: yes, seeing how debian sarge has the latest and greatest XFree :P [01:58] <Razor-X> FuMo: Sarge was better than RH [01:58] <FuMo> deibian is the most conservitive distribution there is [01:58] <f_newton> the advent of modern kernels were NOT brought about by debian [01:58] <Razor-X> searcher`: like I said, better than RH ;) [01:58] <auk> f_newton: linux isn't in the forefront as it is [01:58] <FuMo> how fecking long did it take to release sarge [01:59] <FuMo> thats the reason were still running RH7 [01:59] <thoreauputic> FuMo: the development branch of debian is pretty bleeding edge [01:59] <searcher`> Razor-X: that's no fair, jabbing your eyes out with a sharp pair of scissors is better then redhat [01:59] <direwolf> f_newtown what happened? [01:59] <Chaotic_Shield> distro wars suck IMO. [01:59] <Agamotto> Ahhh, writing a cd and on the net at the same time... you just have to love linux [01:59] <Razor-X> well, i'm assuming that people actually update ;) [01:59] <andy_> type uptime in a console [01:59] <f_newton> auk, any distro that only maintains a 14% usage but still gets frontpage press is a forefront os [01:59] <Razor-X> searcher`: that's what i'm comparing it to, though ;) [01:59] <Chaotic_Shield> It's like comparing XP Pro and XP Home. Their based on the same thing, but are meant for different markets and different things. [01:59] <chibifs> Hey, does anyone know how to make it so the fonts don't resize in different nautilus zooms? [01:59] <Agamotto> XP Home is almost unusable [01:59] <searcher`> Chaotic_Shield: aren't those the exact same thing with some crap turned off for the home version? [01:59] <f_newton> yes Agamotto [02:00] <ChrischiO`GER> lol [02:00] <Razor-X> searcher`: some crap not included [02:00] <ChrischiO`GER> my gnome panel crashed oO [02:00] <thoreauputic> Agamotto: almost?? [02:00] <auk> Agamotto: that is beside the point [02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> yup. [02:00] <auk> true thought... [02:00] <f_newton> xp corp is the only ms distro worth using [02:00] <f_newton> right now [02:00] <direwolf> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will work [02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> I LOVE YOU MILO! [02:00] <InquiringMind> Vista's gonna suck [02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> NP: Milo - Bangin' [02:00] <auk> f_newton, no, i think soem of the older ones are better [02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> EVERYONE CHECK IT OUT. [02:00] <InquiringMind> What is the Epiphany IRC channel? [02:00] <direwolf> yeah its been gutted [02:00] <FuMo> xp corp is the only one with a crack as well aint it ;) ? [02:00] <chibifs> f_newton - MCE2005 is okay if you upgrade from XP Pro [02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> damn it! [02:00] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: only if you listen to what I listen ;) [02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> It's TSR TONIGHT! [02:00] <esac> what do i add to xorg.conf for vmware ? i.e., i am using the nv driver, which driver should i be using ? [02:00] <FuMo> sorry not crack, key gen [02:01] <luminerd> Kubuntu 5.04 is that the most recent/stable (enough) version? If there's a better one considered unstable, but not really unstable, I'd still like it I think....but if I'll be aptitude'ing the rest anyway I suppose it doesn't matter even if I get Ubuntu v 1.0? lol [02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, what'd you have in mind? [02:01] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: The Shadow Rising? [02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> genre? [02:01] <direwolf> i wasnt that optimistic to begin with but now its really gonne be bad [02:01] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: why not join it and read the /topic ? ;-) [02:01] <Agamotto> Hell, I plan on XP being the final windows for me. Cedega may be the last piece in my leaving windows puzzle [02:01] <andy_> my screensaver makes my pc freeze, though i can still send commands from another pc using ssh.. but can't get the pc alive again. ctrl 1 and stuff also don't help [02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> Agamotto, and wine :-P [02:01] <searcher`> esac: you need the vmware-tools to run a linux distro from within vmware (if you want any decent kind of speed anyways) [02:01] <InquiringMind> thoreauputic: i would, but --I DONT -- know the channel [02:01] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: L'arc en Ciel, Iced Earth, Pillows, BoA (yes BoA) those types of genres ;) [02:01] <PHZN> Is there a way to check system uptime? [02:01] <andy_> it's that screensaver with the firework [02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> ah. [02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> pft. [02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> kiddy stuff. [02:02] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: what genre are they? ;) [02:02] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me if I can use evolution to read my gmail please? [02:02] <Chaotic_Shield> KIDDY STUFFS [02:02] <FuMo> PHZN: $uptime [02:02] <Chaotic_Shield> THAT'S WHAT GENRE :-P [02:02] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: hah [02:02] <chibifs> I like Under17, that's kiddy stuffs :P [02:02] <andy_> type uptime in a console [02:02] <InquiringMind> How do I turn off the Password Manager in Epiphany [02:02] <chibifs> Even if it's downright dirty. [02:02] <searcher`> kaffeend: check your gmail account, you should be able to access it through regular pop [02:02] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: #epiphany doesn't seem to exist... #epiphany-browser maybe? dunno [02:02] <avanspronsen> kaffeend: evolution works fine with Gmail [02:02] <esac> searcher`: can i just apt-get install vmware-tools ? [02:03] <kaffeend> searcher okay thanks... so it is pop then.. goodo [02:03] <Razor-X> esac: vmware isn't free, so of course not [02:03] <searcher`> esac: not that i'm aware off ... it can be somewhat tricky too [02:03] <kaffeend> avanpronsen thankyou ;) [02:03] <searcher`> esac: you need build-essential and linux-headers [02:03] <auk> kaffeend: probably you can [02:03] <thoreauputic> hmm.. that doesn't exist either on freenode [02:03] <esac> Razor-X: I have a vmware license .. i dont see the tools on there tho [02:03] <Chaotic_Shield> ROFL [02:03] <Chaotic_Shield> TSR 2 win. [02:03] <auk> oh [02:03] <auk> nm [02:03] <searcher`> esac: both are available from apt-get [02:03] <Razor-X> esac: you can get a deb package from the site, if i'm not mitsaken [02:04] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: The Shadow Rising ? [02:04] <kaffeend> hehe, you guys know the proper server for gmail? lol [02:04] <Razor-X> dude, that was one of his worst books [02:04] <Razor-X> LoC pwnz ;) [02:04] <searcher`> esac: then you select `install vmware tools' in the vmware menu and find the vmware-tool.tar.gz in the cdrom drive [02:04] <ChrischiO`GER> gn8 [02:04] <supernix> just noticed that Ubuntu is again #1 on the distrowatch.com site [02:04] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, pop.gmail.com [02:04] <searcher`> esac: lots of fun to do :-) [02:04] <InquiringMind> how do i turn off the password manager in epiphany? [02:04] <searcher`> esac: i think the vmware website has some general info on how to do this, it can get kinda tricky [02:04] <kaffeend> chaotic_shield thanks [02:04] <Razor-X> we should have Ubuntu missionaries -- except they should have really big guns [02:05] <Razor-X> that way, we can passively _and_ aggressively convert people to Ubuntu! [02:05] <Razor-X> guns in the sens of machinery [02:05] <FuMo> hmm [02:05] <Razor-X> s/sens/sense/ [02:05] <FuMo> tad extreme? [02:05] <Seveas> Razor-X, Chaotic_Shield please keep the atmosphere in here friendly.... [02:05] <searcher`> Razor-X: Ubuntu: throwing cd's at people since 2004 :-) [02:05] <Razor-X> searcher`: cool that ;) [02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas, what'd I do exactly? [02:06] <Agamotto> Nah, keep it quiet like the Buddhists and let people come to us [02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> I was joking about the kiddie stuffs [02:06] <Razor-X> actually, the big guns should have CDs for ammo [02:06] <Razor-X> yeah, that would be cool ;) [02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> rofl [02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Disc launchers [02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Flaming discs of Ubuntu! [02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Ubuntu shurikens [02:06] <esac> searcher`: even without vmware-tools shouldnt i still be able to get into X ? [02:07] <Razor-X> and hey, if that's how AOL gets users, this is even _better_! ;) [02:07] <searcher`> esac: i'm not sure, maybe using the vesa driver [02:07] <Razor-X> esac: well, my experience, X doesen't load without the driver [02:07] <searcher`> esac: i always install the vmware-tools package, it's not that hard really. just follow the instructions [02:07] <Razor-X> you can either use the included packages, or the generic one [02:07] <direwolf> aol isnt getting any users these days [02:08] <FuMo> their adds have def stopped [02:08] <Razor-X> so... quiet.... [02:08] <InquiringMind> how do i turn off the password manager in epiphany? [02:08] <avanspronsen> esac, what distro? I have not had problems with our without the vmware tools with X [02:08] <jakestah> How would I move a file with the terminal? [02:08] <Seveas> jakestah, mv [02:08] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: Gentoo Stage 3 wouldn't load [02:08] <bimberi> jakestah: mv [02:08] <direwolf> why bother with everyone going broadband [02:08] <jakestah> thanks [02:08] <Seveas> InquiringMind: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too. [02:09] <auk> !peacock [02:09] <ubotu> I don't know, auk [02:09] <auk> !info peacock [02:09] <ubotu> peacock: (A HTML Editor for GTK+/GNOME), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.9.1-5ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 184 kB [02:09] <direwolf> another of corporate overlords going down [02:09] <Razor-X> Seveas: I found the LaTeX spreadsheet thingy I need [02:09] <Razor-X> it's called LaTeXss [02:09] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: just guessing, but since epiphany is the default gnome browser these days I wonder if the password manager hooks into the gnome keyring? [02:09] <direwolf> too many still going strong though [02:09] <Razor-X> (http://latexss.sourceforge.net) [02:09] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: ok, haven't tried. Hoary and Breezy were fine, slow until the tools were installed, but had X [02:10] <direwolf> i live near philly ...they were gonna do a wimax thing for the whole city but comcast and verizon wanted to block it [02:10] <Razor-X> Knoppix nowadays includes the vmware driver, so it loads up all nice [02:10] <direwolf> they basically succeeded [02:10] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: very handy [02:11] <searcher`> Razor-X: really? i thought the license was very restrictive on vmware bits [02:11] <direwolf> was going to be free wireless for everyone in the city ... bastards [02:11] <InquiringMind> sry seveas [02:11] <luminerd> how do I do a 2.6 kernel install? with debian it's linux26 option at boot, is that the same here? [02:11] <Razor-X> searcher`: well, they included it even still, so I think the generic vmware X drive isn't restricted [02:11] <Razor-X> luminerd: it automatically installs kernel 2.6 [02:11] <bimberi> luminerd: hoary has 2.6 by default [02:11] <direwolf> 2.6 is the default [02:12] <Agamotto> Mine did 2.6 [02:12] <Razor-X> this isn't like Debian where default is kernel 1.0 ;) [02:12] <luminerd> bimberi, I don't know if I have hoary. [02:12] <FuMo> lol [02:12] <nox> heh Razor-X :P [02:12] <direwolf> hahaha [02:12] <Agamotto> 1.0 cough gasp wheeze choke [02:12] <luminerd> I got Kubuntu 5.04 - is that hoary? [02:12] <bimberi> luminerd: do you have an ubuntu CD? How many people on the cover? [02:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: yes, it is [02:12] <direwolf> yes [02:12] <luminerd> thanks Razor-X, bimberi, dir [02:13] <luminerd> direwolf I mean [02:13] <luminerd> lol [02:13] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/ << maybe some info here (FAQ etc) [02:13] <direwolf> anyone know if the rtl8180-sa2400 driver will be in with breezy? [02:13] <Agamotto> luminerd: yes, optimized with KDE instead of Gnome [02:13] <InquiringMind> thanks [02:13] <luminerd> yea. thanks [02:13] <direwolf> driver for realtek cards... [02:13] <direwolf> chipsets* i should say [02:14] <luminerd> why is my keyboard not working? [02:14] <Razor-X> direwolf: I don't know about that, but I know what I ate for breakfast ;) [02:14] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: aha! irc.gnome.org #epiphany [02:14] <Razor-X> luminerd: what kind of a keyboard is it? [02:14] <direwolf> what did ya have razor-x? [02:14] <FuMo> "optimized with KDE" is that possible? [02:14] <luminerd> Razor-X, ps/2 [02:14] <Razor-X> FuMo: it is here ;) [02:14] <luminerd> I press enter at the boot screen, and then when I get to the language selection, it won't work to select english. [02:14] <Razor-X> direwolf: Honey Bunches of Oats, man ;) [02:14] <Razor-X> it's the way to go [02:14] <direwolf> haha nice [02:14] <Razor-X> and a bananna (part of a balanced breakfast) ;) [02:15] <darmou> does anyone know the name of the util for setting the monitor res [02:15] <darmou> from x? [02:15] <direwolf> be&c for me mmm [02:15] <FuMo> vim [02:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: any special keyboard layout, or such? [02:15] <FuMo> ? [02:15] <InquiringMind> thanks thor... [02:15] <raDeon> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hehehehe [02:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, no, normal. [02:15] <ubotu> raDeon: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about [02:15] <darmou> is there something in one of the menus? [02:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: hmm... I dunno :( [02:15] <direwolf> system > preferences > screen resolution [02:15] <luminerd> fux0rz :( [02:15] <Seveas> darmou, gnome-display-properties [02:16] <Razor-X> my basic QWERTY keyboard works fine, even with an applied Dvorak layout [02:16] <Agamotto> Speaking of bananas, we may be the last generation to enjoy eating them [02:16] <Seveas> Agamotto -> #ubuntu-offtopic [02:16] <direwolf> i saw something about that as well [02:17] <direwolf> forget what i just said [02:17] <direwolf> i saw nothing [02:17] <silvertear> hey. really quickly, how do i change the horizontal spacing between icons in konqueror? [02:18] <thoreauputic> silvertear: really slowly ;-) [02:18] <Burgundavia> silvertear, you might have better luck in #kubuntu [02:18] <aceb747> is someone was comparing the ubuntu repository with debians what would you say about it? [02:18] <Mariux> what do i need to install to be able to compile most programs? Im trying to compile (since its not in resp) kpod, the kioslave for the ipod, but i get errors under ./configure. It complains about missing libstdc++, but i DO have that installed [02:18] <Burgundavia> aceb747, basically identical [02:18] <Seveas> aceb747, newer and more complete [02:18] <thoreauputic> aceb747: almost identical [02:18] <Agamotto> Ahhh, the joys of library hell [02:18] <f_newton> yep that xorg reconfiguration did it [02:18] <Chaotic_Shield> Mariux, try installing the libstdc++-dev package. [02:18] <Burgundavia> aceb747, there are things in Ubuntu repos that are not in Debian (but not very many) and vice versa [02:18] <robertj> is it quite an adventure to get wpa working with ndiswrapper drivers? [02:18] <FuMo> aceb747: far more select on packages [02:19] <Seveas> Mariux, you need libstdc++=dev [02:19] <Seveas> Mariux, you need libstdc++-dev [02:19] <Mariux> i do have that [02:19] <Chaotic_Shield> O_O [02:19] <Seveas> robertj, yes [02:19] <whitefang> hello [02:19] <Seveas> hi [02:19] <f_newton> hello [02:19] <whitefang> i just have to say, this distrubution is awesome. [02:19] <Mariux> but which version? [02:19] <aceb747> FuMo: what do you mean more select on packages? [02:19] <Mariux> there is libstdc++ 2, 5 and 6 [02:19] <robertj> Seveas: I found some instructions yesterday about how to work with it in hoary, apt-get installed wpa_supplicant and found out that the config file looked totally different than in the example [02:19] <stan-am> hey guys [02:19] <f_newton> yes, as a long time fedora and rh user I have to agree this is a very good distro... too bad about the name though... [02:19] <f_newton> lol [02:19] <thoreauputic> whitefang: preaching to the choir here :) [02:19] <stan-am> hi seveas, hows it goin? [02:19] <aceb747> ubuntu seems more current than debian though [02:20] <stan-am> is is [02:20] <whitefang> f_newton, what's wrong with the name? [02:20] <stan-am> it is [02:20] <Seveas> stan-am, quite nice [02:20] <robertj> (I mean entirely different, the config file looked like a normal config file in the example but the one in the package told me to add a list of command line paramaters and create a custom init.d entry ;) [02:20] <Burgundavia> aceb747, the stable Debian is newer than the stable ubuntu [02:20] <Seveas> I've been hacking up rss feeds for ubuntu today [02:20] <robertj> oh how I loath this crappy built in wireless [02:20] <Goodspeed> whats the best mp3 player? [02:20] <f_newton> well it just seems a bit gutteral, like some drunk in a bar with gas [02:20] <Seveas> Burgundavia, but most of the packages are not :) [02:20] <Agamotto> Well, I am off to other shores... chat with you lot later [02:20] <thoreauputic> f_newton: I think the name is one of the great things about it [02:20] <Burgundavia> Seveas, yes [02:20] <Mariux> and why isnt there a /usr/bin/gcc? i just have /usr/bin/gcc-X.y [02:20] <Chaotic_Shield> robertj, you got it working, or are you bound and tied by an Ethernet cable? [02:20] <kaffeend> having trouble with evolution/gmail... can someone help me plz? [02:20] <FuMo> aceb747: I cant rember how many pakages debain contains it many more than most if not all other distributions, ubuntu has decided to support less of the same if that makes sence? [02:20] <whitefang> f_newton, it's an african word. [02:20] <stan-am> hey seveas can ya gimme a hand with some very stupid easy thing? [02:21] <Seveas> Mariux, sudo aptitude install build-essential [02:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> what of the advantages of debian over ubuntu? [02:21] <f_newton> yeah ok well Im not one of those gushy eyed socialists [02:21] <Mariux> thanks Seveas [02:21] <thoreauputic> f_newton: that's just because you aren't african I guess ;) [02:21] <f_newton> none flyingpenguin_ [02:21] <Seveas> stan-am, no, I'm trying to go to bed but people keep interrupting me :) [02:21] <aceb747> Burgundavia: so if I am looking for something more current then debian is better to have? [02:21] <f_newton> uh FlyingSquirrel32 i meahn [02:21] <stan-am> hahahah [02:21] <Burgundavia> f_newton, Ubuntu has nothing to gushy idea socialsim [02:21] <stan-am> thats fine man [02:21] <Burgundavia> aceb747, yes [02:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: and visa versa? [02:21] <Seveas> (it's 2:21 am here :)) [02:21] <stan-am> good night [02:21] <whitefang> f_newton, cmon, it's the OS for HUMANS :P [02:21] <stan-am> :) [02:21] <f_newton> well you are right thoreauputic and I am sure I will get used to it [02:21] <FuMo> aceb747: then ubuntu is a good balance between cutting edge and stable [02:22] <billatq> Heh, I just upgraded to debian unstable [02:22] <f_newton> Ive been saying it to myself for the last two days... ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu... [02:22] <FuMo> otherwise there is always unstable ;) [02:22] <billatq> Took a little bit for the dust to settle [02:22] <thoreauputic> f_newton: yep - my initial reaction was similar, but I like it now [02:22] <Goodspeed> is kaffinee anyg ood? [02:22] <Burgundavia> Goodspeed, if you are using gnome, muine and rb are quite nice [02:22] <Seveas> f_newton, all 'u's in Ubutu are pronounced as oo like in good [02:22] <robertj> burgundavia: I wouldn't say nothing but its not going to turn you into a card-toting commie [02:22] <f_newton> its not the meaning of the word which is amazing coming from a continent engaged in bloody genocide [02:23] <whitefang> is the amd barton cpu k7? [02:23] <Goodspeed> ive got a pretty big library [02:23] <Goodspeed> 2000+ songs [02:23] <f_newton> its the way it sounds to my narrow western style ears [02:23] <direwolf> i go through phases due to my n00bness [02:23] <Goodspeed> which one handles big libraries best? [02:23] <Mariux> Seveas: ok so i did that, but i get configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH [02:24] <Mariux> since there is no /usr/bin/gcc [02:24] <Mariux> just /usr/bin/gcc-X.Y [02:24] <f_newton> yes whitefang I guess it is [02:24] <kaffeend> Please help me anyone - I wanna get evolution to work with gmail, but after I tried to get my mail it failed... dunno what I'm doing :/ [02:24] <thoreauputic> f_newton: a bit like a certain country in North America which likes to throw rather large bombs around... but b=never mind, #politics [02:24] <f_newton> the k8 is 64 bit [02:24] <Fitzsimmons> hello all [02:24] <cute_bettong> how well does Ubuntu and programs support AMD 64 CPU's? [02:24] <f_newton> thoreauputic, thats the butthead who appointed himself leader not most of the people but yeah yer right [02:24] <robertj> as far as I understand it, Ubuntu in 1950 == charity in 1600 [02:25] <robertj> err ubuntu rather [02:25] <HrdwrBoB> cute_bettong: very well [02:25] <thoreauputic> f_newton: yeah i know - my mother was American so I'm not anti-USA [02:25] <cute_bettong> ok thanx [02:25] <aceb747> i like to add alot of things on the computer... i think debian is going to be the better choice for me in this case [02:25] <Fitzsimmons> is there a webpage for what to expect in the upcoming (stable) release of ubuntu? [02:25] <cute_bettong> it's me ChurcH_of_FoamY [02:25] <Fitzsimmons> i.e. are there plans for gnome 2.12? [02:25] <robertj> Americans are all crazy, just like the rest of the world ;) [02:25] <f_newton> I am a us citizen, used to be a republican til it went nazi and I love my homeland but the current leaders leave much to be desired [02:25] <Seveas> Fitzsimmons, ubuntu releases evolve around gnome [02:25] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: ubuntu is always released with the latest gnome [02:26] <Seveas> breezy will have 2.12 [02:26] <kaffeend> is there an #evolution channel? [02:26] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: it's specifically set up that way [02:26] <Mariux> thoreauputic: you can be anti-usa even though your mother was born there, you dont control where you are born [02:26] <Seveas> breezy+1 2.14 [02:26] <Seveas> etc... [02:26] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: why don't you join it and find out : [02:26] <HrdwrBoB> :) [02:26] <bimberi> Hmm... [02:26] <bimberi> !fixsound [02:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly [02:26] <Mariux> !fixgcc [02:26] <ubotu> Mariux: Are you smoking crack? [02:26] <Fitzsimmons> HrdwrBoB, Seveas: awesome - so we can expect another ubuntu release shortly after 2.12 release? [02:26] <f_newton> lol [02:26] <bimberi> ubotu: forget fixsound [02:26] <ubotu> i forgot fixsound, bimberi [02:26] <kaffeend> there is :D [02:26] <bimberi> that's better [02:26] <thoreauputic> Mariux: I meant I'm not against USA people - i just dislike the current government [02:26] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: release every six months [02:26] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB thanks [02:26] <FuMo> aceb747: the 6 month release cycle is quite compeling if u dont have to have bleading edge and want stable [02:27] <HrdwrBoB> in april and october [02:27] <Fitzsimmons> HrdwrBoB: is there a feature list? [02:27] <f_newton> well thoreauputic just like 60% of the us citizenry [02:27] <FuMo> with ubuntu that is def not debian [02:27] <kaffeend> but I'm the only person in it [02:27] <whitefang> what is the ipp service that's running by default? [02:27] <robertj> I was talking to this one guy, and he had lived with the Quakers and the Jesus people and so I told him I had been reading up on intentional communities and asked him if he was interested in communism. He gave me this look like I just asked him to come lynch someone this weekend. [02:27] <thoreauputic> f_newton: yup i hear you [02:27] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: no [02:27] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: not that I'm aware og [02:27] <HrdwrBoB> of [02:27] <Fitzsimmons> okay then [02:27] <Fitzsimmons> I was hoping for a preview just like the gnome preview :P [02:27] <kaffeend> anyone know anything about elolution? I would really appreciate some help if possible plz? [02:28] <f_newton> thoreauputic, according to us govt figures the current regime only supports 12% of the people while sticking to the remaining 88% [02:28] <Fitzsimmons> will it be using gcc 4? [02:28] <esac> searcher`: what were those 2 packages i needed .. linux-headers, and ? [02:28] <avanspronsen> kaffeend: what's up? [02:28] <direwolf> source? [02:28] <thoreauputic> Fitzsimmons: yes to gcc 4 [02:28] <deprave> i give up on getting gaim-vv to configure correctly [02:28] <Fitzsimmons> so ubuntu is likely going to be the first one to gcc 4 eh [02:28] <kaffeend> avanpronsen I can't get evolution to get my gmail [02:28] <f_newton> you are talking breezy right? [02:28] <f_newton> due out in october? [02:28] <Fitzsimmons> quite possibly even before gentoo [02:28] <robertj> Fitz: it's likely to be the first big one [02:29] <kaffeend> it tries [02:29] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton thoreauputic, yes, but back to ubuntu... whats the diff between ubuntu and debian? [02:29] <f_newton> kaffeend, whats the problem? [02:29] <Fitzsimmons> gentoo goes stable that is [02:29] <f_newton> ubuntu is a very nice gui based debian derrivative [02:29] <kaffeend> avanpronsen the problem is I have ni what I'm doing! lol [02:29] <Fitzsimmons> yes it is f_newton :) [02:29] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: debian doesn't have gui by default? [02:29] <f_newton> so if you already know Fitzsimmons whats the question? [02:30] <f_newton> mine never did [02:30] <kaffeend> f_newton Just getting some help from avanpronsen - but thanks [02:30] <whitefang> how do i autodetect my printer? it wasn't on during installation. [02:30] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: I don't really see much difference - I used to use debian and I prefer ubuntu, but if I had to go back to debian I wouldn't be upset: it's a great distro [02:30] <robertj> so is Xorg in Breezy going to 7.0? [02:30] <f_newton> ok kaffeend let me know if you continue to have gmail problems [02:30] <HrdwrBoB> whitefang: turn it on [02:30] <HrdwrBoB> go to printers [02:30] <HrdwrBoB> add printer [02:30] <FuMo> FlyingSquirrel32: debian is very conservitive [02:30] <HrdwrBoB> it should be in the list [02:30] <kaffeend> f_newton thanks - will do [02:30] <whitefang> no printers are detected... [02:30] <f_newton> :) [02:30] <whitefang> and there's no driver for my printer. [02:30] <whitefang> canon i550 [02:31] <f_newton> whitefang use the bjc 8200 driver for that [02:31] <tahorg> One day, Xorg will be fixed breezy. One day. [02:31] <Goodspeed> whats a good place to put my music? [02:31] <robertj> but will it be 6.9 or 7.0? [02:31] <raDeon> Goodspeed, in between your legs [02:31] <benkong2> are all the files in /etc/cron.daily set to run from default install such as slocate apt etc.? [02:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton,thoreauputic: more stable? better for a server? does it have a gui by default? [02:31] <Goodspeed> :( it wont fit [02:31] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: in a directory named music? [02:31] <FuMo> FlyingSquirrel32: they still install with the 2.4 kernel by default [02:31] <f_newton> FlyingSquirrel32, what?? [02:31] <Goodspeed> but should it be under my home folder [02:31] <raDeon> Goodspeed, how about ~/music [02:31] <Goodspeed> or can i put it somewhere else [02:31] <raDeon> Goodspeed, sure, knock yourself out [02:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: debian!? [02:32] <Goodspeed> do i need to log in under root to do that though? [02:32] <raDeon> Goodspeed, depends where you want to put it [02:32] <FuMo> debian best choice for server because of its release cycle [02:32] <f_newton> FlyingSquirrel32, debian hasnt really progressed since the developers decided they were perfect and started looking down thier noses at everyone else [02:32] <tahorg> robertj: well, 7.0 or 6.9, if it's broken it's useless . [02:32] <Goodspeed> id love to put it in / [02:32] <raDeon> ubuntu has no root account usually anyway [02:32] <f_newton> the same thing is currently happening to fedora devs [02:32] <raDeon> Goodspeed, you don't want to put it in / [02:32] <Goodspeed> i know which makes it even harder [02:32] <robertj> tahorg: so I imagine they will ship a working version then, eh? [02:32] <Goodspeed> so i might as well just put it in my home folder? [02:32] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: the "gui by default" thing is kind of not the right question - if you do a server install, neither shpould have a gui. If you want a desktop, both have desktops... [02:32] <Goodspeed> where do you have yours? [02:32] <raDeon> Goodspeed, that's where i have mine [02:32] <whitefang> does anyone know what the ipp server is that installs by default? [02:32] <cefx> Anyone have Quake3 for linux? [02:32] <Goodspeed> ok [02:32] <raDeon> i have mine in my home folder [02:32] <raDeon> and /mnt/win_d/Music [02:33] <tahorg> robertj: I hope but Xorg is broken for about 2 weeks now [02:33] <raDeon> which is my windows D drive [02:33] <raDeon> fat32 [02:33] <benkong2> anyone? are all the files in /etc/cron.daily set to run from default install such as slocate apt etc.? [02:33] <direwolf> holy shinola i think compiling this driver might actually work this time...everyone cross fingers! [02:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: great, Yeah they were two separate unrelated questions, but you answered them both thanks. [02:33] <aceb747> cefx: what games have you had run under linux? [02:33] <cefx> none [02:34] <whitefang> i've seen guild wars run under linux. [02:34] <whitefang> i can't get it to work though [02:34] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: putting your personal data anywhere but /hom/you is just making work for yourself [02:34] <Goodspeed> yeaaa [02:34] <sklp> cefx: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/q3a/ [02:34] <thoreauputic> * /home/you [02:34] <esac> can i join my linux system to an active directory domain, and run ipsec for authentication ? [02:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: is ubuntu just as fitting as a server, given you do the server install? [02:34] <HrdwrBoB> esac: .. sort of [02:34] <robertj> thoreauputic: I almost always end up having mine in /var/somewhere as well [02:34] <HrdwrBoB> ipsec isn't authentication anywya [02:34] <direwolf> i had to say it didnt i? [02:34] <Goodspeed> im so glad if ound this site http://ubuntuguide.org [02:34] <morphiushacker> I am having a little troble w/ init scipts. Anyone familiar. Particularly with pure-ftpd [02:34] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: ubuntulinux.org runs on - guess what? [02:35] <esac> HrdwrBoB: what are the gotchas with it .. and isnt ipsec ip verification ? [02:35] <cefx> \.... [02:35] <cefx> I don't need instructions. [02:35] <cefx> I want to download the game :P [02:35] <Goodspeed> whats the taskbar called? [02:35] <Goodspeed> gnomebar [02:35] <Goodspeed> or something [02:35] <cefx> gnome-panel [02:35] <cafuego> panel [02:35] <direwolf> /home/direwolf/linux_driver/rtl8180-0.21/ieee80211_crypt_wep.c:27:2: warning: #warning CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is required to build this module. [02:36] <morphiushacker> anyone, Init scripts? [02:36] <poningru> taskbar whats a taskbar [02:36] <direwolf> ack [02:36] <poningru> ;) [02:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: good. I'll stick with ubuntu. Thanks for all of your help, and sorry to interrupt your conversation about politics ;) [02:36] <cafuego> poningru: Like a Dock [02:36] <andy_> anyone knows if ubuntu would have problems, if i would now turn of the pc, install a pctv card and boot up again? [02:36] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: heheh [02:36] <robertj> if beagle ever makes it to core, does that mean scrollkeeper can go away? [02:36] <puff> join #ibmthinkpad [02:36] <direwolf> i dont think i have that ... [02:36] <cafuego> andy_: No, it'd be fine. [02:36] <andy_> would ub recognize the card too? [02:36] <skalpel> iwhat is the term command to close the disc tray? [02:36] <puff> Dammit. [02:36] <morphiushacker> andy_ you will have trouble with x and will have to reconfigure. Goggle it [02:36] <HrdwrBoB> esac: I'm not sure you are asking the right questions :) [02:36] <thoreauputic> skalpel: eject -t [02:36] <morphiushacker> *google [02:36] <cafuego> andy_: if it was a supported card, yes. [02:36] <esac> HrdwrBoB: what should i be asking ? :) [02:37] <direwolf> i resent my n00bness [02:37] <andy_> ok so it would mess up the X? [02:37] <Snufj> direwolf grateful dead? [02:37] <PurpleMotion> im in a really shitty mood [02:37] <skalpel> thoreaputic: thank you [02:37] <cafuego> I'd be too if I were purple. [02:37] <direwolf> yep :) [02:37] <Snufj> hehe [02:38] <direwolf> in the timbers of fennario [02:38] <Snufj> love them [02:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: I'm full-blooded american and I agree, due to propaganda, many americans know nothing of comunism, consider it to be wholy corrupt and a failure. [02:38] <nickrud> direwolf, I've used debian for a long time, and I resent my n00bnes :) [02:38] <avanspronsen> esac: what are you trying to do? [02:38] <whitefang> how do i disable the lan printing service? it was installed by default. [02:38] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: /nick MoodIndigo [02:38] <InquiringMind> anybody know how to get my iriver working in ubuntu? [02:38] <luminerd> what the... [02:38] <luminerd> my mouse won't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:38] <direwolf> same here [02:38] <luminerd> dammit why so many freakin problems [02:38] <InquiringMind> luminerd, stop spamming [02:38] <morphiushacker> ok, what you will want to do is install the card and then you can vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf. It says it is auto-configured by a particular program. Run that program (after X screws up) that should reconfigure it. [02:38] <luminerd> InquiringMind, this is not spam!! [02:38] <luminerd> InquiringMind, my mouse WON'T work!!! [02:38] <direwolf> 10 years on tues(?) [02:38] <InquiringMind> luminerd: that many !'s is spamming [02:38] <PurpleMotion> FlyingSquirrel32: as demonstrated by people lack of ability to even articulate the word itself (communism) [02:38] <direwolf> :( [02:38] <luminerd> ok well I'm sorry now address the problem please [02:38] <PurpleMotion> people's [02:39] <InquiringMind> im my book [02:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: I'm neutral but I agree that the communistic principles are superior if they could be carried out. [02:39] <esac> avanspronsen: my work runs an active directory domain, and ipsec (ipsec/policyagent). i want to setup linux, and be able to smbmount, visit internal websites, etc... as though i were actually joined to the domain [02:39] <morphiushacker> mouse ppl: are you using a KVM Switch? [02:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> PurpleMotion: Hah :D I really do know how to spell it ;) [02:39] <socomm> Viva socialismo! [02:39] <PurpleMotion> they're superior on paper, but people are ambitious. that's why communism failed. They never factored in pride and ambition [02:39] <andy_> uhm sorry, morphiushacker but what prog do you mean? [02:39] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: why are you talking about communism? I never mentioned it and I'm not in favour of it [02:39] <skalpel> what can you do f your computer wont stop looking for your disc drive and it makes that annoying whirring sound and you want to get rid of it? [02:39] <morphiushacker> hang on andy [02:39] <t0mmy> that new apple mouse looks preetty fine [02:40] <t0mmy> anyone tried it with linux yet? i think it went on sale today [02:40] <robertj> t0mmy: where in Georgia are you at? [02:40] <PurpleMotion> it's a mouse [02:40] <t0mmy> lawrenceville, metro atlanta [02:40] <PurpleMotion> a mouse is a mouse [02:40] <nickrud> skalpel, figure out what process is acessing the disk ;P [02:40] <robertj> I'm from Lawrenceville and live in Athens [02:40] <robertj> I'll be up there this weekend [02:40] <PurpleMotion> as long as it doesnt get clogged, what more do you possibly need? [02:40] <morphiushacker> the program is dexconf [02:40] <t0mmy> yes, but with a 360 scroll button and touch sensitive buttons [02:40] <socomm> I concur, that mouse looks awesome. [02:40] <andy_> ah ok thx [02:40] <direwolf> nickrud: youre saying im stuck like this forever huh? [02:41] <nickrud> no, try top [02:41] <PurpleMotion> yeah because it's sooo much strain ony our fingers to actually depress a button less than 1/16th on an inch... [02:41] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: or is it so deeply ingrained in the American psyche that anyone who criticises their policy must be communist? [02:41] <robertj> t0mmy: I went to Central Gwinnett & work at UGA [02:41] <PurpleMotion> hehe [02:41] <nickrud> first check, anyway [02:41] <avanspronsen> esac: mine too, there are lots of options [02:41] <cafuego> What! Now all of a sudden people *like* apple mice? [02:41] <t0mmy> heh, my dad's a georgia tech fan :D [02:41] <t0mmy> http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/ [02:41] <robertj> but does Georgia Tech have an Ubuntu mirror? [02:41] <deprave_> gaim-vv = IMPOSSIBLE ON UBUNTU! [02:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: I guess you're right, that was robertj [02:41] <nickrud> i'd look for gam_server [02:41] <t0mmy> :( [02:41] <morphiushacker> andy: after installing the card, x *may* glitch up. If it does type dexconf. in a terminal [02:41] <t0mmy> XD [02:41] <PurpleMotion> deprave i seriously doubt that [02:41] <direwolf> do you guys think that this message means the modules wont work? - [02:41] <InquiringMind> does anybody know how i can get my iriver working in ubuntu? [02:41] <deprave_> PurpleMotion : i'm stumped. [02:41] <direwolf> /home/direwolf/linux_driver/rtl8180-0.21/ieee80211_crypt_wep.c:27:2: warning: #warning CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is required to build this module. [02:42] <PurpleMotion> ill play with it [02:42] <deprave_> and exhausted. [02:42] <direwolf> its just a warning hahaha [02:42] <PurpleMotion> at some point [02:42] <andy_> so dexconf is like a 'fix-x-program if i get it :) [02:42] <cafuego> direwolf: Enable CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 in your kernel. [02:42] <morphiushacker> yes [02:42] <robertj> FlyingSquirrel32: People everywhere are stupid. [02:42] <t0mmy> i want an apple comp to dual boot with ubuntu so i can try out OSX [02:42] <direwolf> cafuego: my n00bness prevents this...how do i do that ? [02:42] <morphiushacker> it may not configure properly though. It's part of the install program. if it can't auto configure, you may have to tell it what to do. [02:42] <andy_> and after that the card should work [02:42] <cefx> Is Quake 3 in apt-get? [02:42] <t0mmy> it looks pretty snazzy [02:42] <PurpleMotion> i dont like it [02:43] <t0mmy> cefx: the demo might be [02:43] <cefx> t0mmy, the game is free :P [02:43] <cafuego> direwolf: Are you sure you ought to be compiling kernel modules? [02:43] <robertj> t0mmy: it works pretty well, I like it [02:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> robertj: Amen, Brother!! :-D [02:43] <t0mmy> ... [02:43] <PurpleMotion> people are going to have all kinds of trouble with the buttons [02:43] <t0mmy> quake 3 is free? [02:43] <direwolf> absolutely now [02:43] <t0mmy> wasn't aware of that [02:43] <direwolf> not* [02:43] <morphiushacker> when x screws up it will ask you if you want to run the x configuration program. You sould tell it yes only if dexconf does not. [02:43] <nickrud> beer, maybe [02:43] <cafuego> t0mmy: Mac Minis dual-boot very nicely. [02:43] <t0mmy> i knew the quake 1 engine was... [02:43] <t0mmy> ah, i want one :/ [02:43] <andy_> ic. i'll give it a try :) [02:43] <skalpel> nickrud: thank you [02:43] <andy_> thx! [02:44] <t0mmy> i want a mac mini, a new monitor, a mighty mouse, and a logitech keyboard [02:44] <skalpel> i have to say learning linux with the help of ubuntu and this support channel has been the best thing ever [02:44] <skalpel> i really like it. [02:44] <cafuego> I'm sure the ibooks do too, but you can't use the wireless on 'em [02:44] <t0mmy> damn parents won't let me put one in my room >_> [02:44] <nickrud> skalpel, i'll bite, for what? [02:44] <neighborlee> how do I adapt my current system so pressing eject button on cdrom drive ejects the media ??? [02:44] <morphiushacker> once again: is anyone good with init scripts? [02:44] <robertj> t0mmy: well you'll obviously just have to kill them? [02:44] <cefx> t0mmy, is there any way to search the packages or find it?
 skalpel, figure out what process is acessing the disk ;P [02:44] <skalpel> for that [02:44] <t0mmy> via synaptic, but i don't recall quake 3 being in it [02:44] <nickrud> ah [02:44] <skalpel> it worked. [02:44] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: yeah, this channel sets the standard for real time volunteer-based help systems [02:44] <direwolf> readme's didnt say anything about it [02:44] <nickrud> forgot that dig ;) [02:44] <glick> fuck this! [02:45] <Razor-X> skalpel: I tihnk it's more influential to be dumped straight into the command-line ;) [02:45] <skalpel> purplemotion: definately [02:45] <direwolf> readme's were pretty thin though [02:45] <glick> what the hell [02:45] <Razor-X> s/tihnk/think/ [02:45] <Razor-X> swim, or die trying ;) [02:45] <Razor-X> (faster that way, meh) [02:45] <PurpleMotion> glick: somethign we can do to help? [02:45] <Razor-X> and unlike in the pool, most swim in this case [02:45] <direwolf> exactly [02:45] <f_newton> neighborlee, I dont think there is a script for that [02:45] <skalpel> razor-x: maybe, i am learning. the terminal is essential in linux, and works seamlessly with the windows server, i really like it much better than windows [02:45] <glick> im trying to packport this package and the shit always segfaults after like a fuckin hour of building! [02:45] <f_newton> it has to do with the way the fs is mounted neighborlee [02:45] <Razor-X> skalpel: that's because Windows is fscking stupid [02:45] <skalpel> i think ubuntu will have alot to do with how people choose their OS [02:46] <Razor-X> those idiots are trying to seperate the command-line and the GUI so much, it's becoming pathetic [02:46] <neighborlee> f_newton, do you know if its a project being worked on possibly to add this as a feature ? [02:46] <glick> other people say they can backport it no problem [02:46] <PurpleMotion> glick: have you looked at the build log or gone back through stdout to see if there's a clue as to why? [02:46] <glick> wtf am i doing wring [02:46] <cefx> Is there any way to search packages for a particular game? [02:46] <InquiringMind> does anybody know how i can get my iriver working under ubuntu? [02:46] <f_newton> I have no idea neighborlee most people just right click on the icon and choose eject [02:46] <glick> /bin/sh: line 1: 4845 Segmentation fault LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../objs_gtk_sh/lib: ../objs_gtk_sh/utils/tex2rtf/src/tex2rtf ../docs/latex/wx/manual.tex ../docs/wx-manual.html/wx2.6-manual.html -twice -html [02:46] <glick> make: *** [build-doc-stamp] Error 139 [02:46] <Razor-X> I definitely thing that, in about another 6 years, Linux _will_ be mainstream [02:46] <Razor-X> glick: your lLaTeX is broken? [02:46] <InquiringMind> i think that linux will never defeat the mac [02:46] <f_newton> Razor-X, Ive been saying that since 92 [02:46] <PurpleMotion> linux already IS mainstream [02:46] <Razor-X> s/l// [02:46] <PurpleMotion> glick: that's not very informative, eh [02:46] <f_newton> or was it 95? [02:46] <neighborlee> f_newton, yeah I know..its so lame ( no offense)..I want to use eject button cause I paid for it LOL [02:46] <direwolf> it may take longer but eventually i think it will happen [02:46] <glick> Razor-X, i dont kow [02:47] <Razor-X> f_newton: you thought that in '92? [02:47] <skalpel> what does it mean if gnomebaker tells me that there is no media present in the drive when there is a disc inside of it? [02:47] <Razor-X> wow, you're a sad dreamer ;) [02:47] <robertj> t0mmy: BTW, do you eat out alot? [02:47] <Razor-X> I don't think Linux even picked up till the last year-and-a-half [02:47] <PurpleMotion> could be tetex [02:47] <D1> whats a good cd ripper with OPTIONS unlike sound juicer? [02:47] <t0mmy> not really [02:47] <f_newton> thats sad dreamer sir to you kid [02:47] <Razor-X> till then, Linux was still pretty gone [02:47] <neighborlee> InquiringMind, you may be right about that [02:47] <robertj> Gwinnett's full of good food [02:47] <Razor-X> f_newton: I was 2 then, mind you [02:47] <glick> what the hell cant i be like just compile the shit without documentation [02:47] <Razor-X> in '92, I mean [02:47] <robertj> The Sweet Tomato down at Gwinnett Mall is a frequent destination when we are out there [02:47] <Razor-X> glick: well, it's simply ``latex blah.tex'' [02:47] <geneo93> grip [02:48] <direwolf> cafuego, do you have a url offhand with a how to? [02:48] <Razor-X> that's what I use, as long as it compiles right, it's cool [02:48] <nickrud> D1, grip is a standard [02:48] <f_newton> I didnt start using linux mainstream myself until around 99 [02:48] <cefx> How can I search for a particular package to be installed? [02:48] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: I have a mac notebook - but after my initial excitement with OS-X I found Linux was much more amenable to free use of all its aspects, so I run Ubuntu on it now almost all the time [02:48] <direwolf> cafuego, i apologize being lazy...here i come google [02:48] <Razor-X> I picked up on Linux in '01 [02:48] <f_newton> and then it was mdk [02:48] <sklp> cefx: you can find linux demo and linux retail installer at ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux , AFAIK q3 is not in APT [02:48] <glick> but if the build fails it deletes everything it built so far ima have to restart that shit from the beginning [02:48] <D1> hmm, whats it use to encode? [02:48] <glick> which will take another 2 hours [02:48] <f_newton> went to rh right after that and stuck with it [02:48] <robertj> t0mmy: are you in school anywhere? [02:48] <andy_> cefx, apt-cache search game [02:49] <nickrud> D1, you can use ogg, lame, whatever encoder you tell it to [02:49] <robertj> thor: I really like my G3 ibook [02:49] <D1> oh ok. [02:49] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: are you mad? linux has been snowballing support and popularity over at least the past six or seven years, and it just keeps getting stronger.. hell, even IBM launched a billion dollar campaign for open source support, focused around linux (the His Name Is Linux commercials), and package it with their eServer line. I think their grant to the linux community was something to the tune of a hundred million dollars [02:49] <t0mmy> yes... [02:49] <t0mmy> crap, dinnertime (we eat late :D) [02:49] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: it has been snowballing support, but it's only come into the limelight in the last 2 years [02:49] <Razor-X> because of the timing [02:49] <Razor-X> A) Spyware and Adware broke out [02:50] <PurpleMotion> it's not as mainstream as windows, for the most part because 99.9% of computer users are either too lazy to learn something new, too stupid to learn something new, or brainwashed into thinking if its not microsoft, it's worthless [02:50] <glick> where does pbuilder keep its build logs? [02:50] <geneo93> flac uses lots of space though [02:50] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, yeah well ibm started bill gates on his road to attempted domination and they are the proper ones to smack him down [02:50] <direwolf> i think part of the problem is that many vendors are locked in to windows [02:50] <Razor-X> B) Apple released their totally redesigned OS [02:50] <Razor-X> geneo93: that's because it's lossless [02:50] <robertj> thoreauputic, fine, but that's a whole extra keypress I hope you know [02:50] <Razor-X> C) Security went out of hand [02:50] <skalpel> what does it mean if gnomebaker tells me that there is no media present in the drive when there is a disc inside of it? it stops halfway through end ejects my rw disc [02:50] <cefx> sklp: Firefox won't open the .run file. [02:50] <robertj> OS X is good for what it is, but it's certainly NOT any easier to use for most folk [02:50] <f_newton> direwolf, its distros like suse,ubuntu, and fedora that will break loose the hold ms has on users [02:50] <Razor-X> D) After 9/11, costs in the US became much higher and the .com bubble broke [02:51] <thoreauputic> robertj: heheh - I *do* hope you don't get carpal tunnel syndrome ;) [02:51] <glick> is there a seperate ubuntu developers channel? [02:51] <geneo93> cheap hardware [02:51] <PurpleMotion> f_newton: but at the same time, IBM is one of the largest proponents of the fritz-chip (which gives me hope that when this chip becomes widespread reality, we [the open source community] will be able to look towards IBM for a license [02:51] <PurpleMotion> ) [02:51] <Razor-X> I think all those things really influenced Linux to pick up rapidly [02:51] <cefx> using wget [02:51] <cefx> :D [02:51] <Razor-X> nowadays, a Slack install is _nothing_ like a Slack install from when I started [02:51] <f_newton> ibm is losing groundfast they sold their pc division to chinese govt and are a useless shell of a company now [02:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> Okay, Ubuntu installer doesn't see the SCSI hard drives in my 350MHz compaq proliant... What do I do? [02:52] <nickrud> f_newton, lamo [02:52] <Razor-X> FlyingSquirrel32: I don't think Ubuntu is for a 350 mhz machine [02:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Razor-X: Too much for it? [02:52] <robertj> Your average OS X user never knows when an application is closed, has Internet Explorer 5 for Mac as their default web browser, and uses Appleworks. [02:52] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yeah, evn I can install Slack these days ;-) [02:52] <f_newton> Razor-X, it should be fine for it as long as there is enough memoryh [02:52] <Razor-X> f_newton: but the Chinese IBM equivalent will back down ;) [02:52] <sklp> cefx: save the .run file [02:52] <Razor-X> FlyingSquirrel32: yeah [02:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Razor-X: Even the server install [02:52] <geneo93> hey it works fine on 300mhz [02:52] <Razor-X> FlyingSquirrel32: yes [02:52] <PurpleMotion> I think you are precluding too much, and your assertation of linux and where it stands int he computing world is WAY off [02:52] <f_newton> Razor-X, keep dreaming [02:52] <cefx> sklp: yeah i just used wget instead :) [02:52] <Razor-X> geneo93: wow [02:53] <robertj> So instead of dealing with viruses, they spend time trying to figure out how to get their documents to open in Word, trying to figure out why it says the website will work with Internet Explorer but it doesn't, etc [02:53] <Razor-X> s/will/will not/ [02:53] <PurpleMotion> there is no chinese equivalent to ibm [02:53] <PurpleMotion> ibm is a global industry leader [02:53] <f_newton> yes there is PurpleMotion its called ibm [02:53] <PurpleMotion> heh [02:53] <geneo93> just have to have loads of memory [02:53] <Razor-X> robertj: yeah, that's true [02:53] <D1> hmm, how can I get soundjuicer to rip mp3s with gstreamer? its not on the menu. [02:53] <Razor-X> Mac users aren't too much smarter [02:53] <Razor-X> but it made Windows become less viable [02:53] <FlyingSquirrel32> Well if it was a 2.8 Ghz, how would I make it see my SCSI drives? [02:54] <Razor-X> and in the little rift it caused, Linux seeped through [02:54] <robertj> Razor: my experience is that Mac users do tend to be slightly dumber than average [02:54] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: I have Ubuntu and fluxbox running on a pentium 200mmx with 64MB ram :) [02:54] <Razor-X> you don't see BeOS, or BSD becoming mainstream, do you? [02:54] <PurpleMotion> mac users understand a hell of a lot more about filesystem maintenance and navigation than your average windows user... [02:54] <robertj> Razor: and they tend to be fear-induced purchasers [02:54] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: wow, meh [02:54] <PurpleMotion> linux seeped through? do you hear yourself? [02:54] <f_newton> FlyingSquirrel32, you may need to load your scsi driver first [02:54] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: yes, I do [02:54] <skalpel> what does it mean if gnomebaker tells me that there is no media present in the drive when there is a disc inside of it? it stops halfway through end ejects my rw disc. [02:54] <f_newton> all this discussion about linux mac windows is very pointless [02:54] <glick> is there a ubuntu developers channel or something? [02:54] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: the only thing that's really slow to start is Firefox :( [02:54] <f_newton> glick there is bound to be somewhere [02:55] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: Dillo :) [02:55] <nickrud> skalpel, I don't have the answer, but I do have your problem [02:55] <robertj> thor: hehe, Firefox isn't slow on my mac ;) [02:55] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yup, i know:) [02:55] <robertj> (sorry just had to say that) [02:55] <skalpel> nickrud: gee i am very sorry. too bad we cannot get any help. [02:55] <Razor-X> my 100 mhz can run Ubuntu, you think? [02:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: How?? [02:55] <hmrocha> hi [02:55] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: but some things dillo just can't do - like banking [02:55] <skalpel> nickrud have you tried using diff burning software? [02:55] <Razor-X> (that woudl kick serious ass) [02:55] <PurpleMotion> we didnt 'seep' through anything. we've been here all along, and we've been getting stronger. through the support of companies like IBM the business community is starting to look towards us as a viable alternative to windows.. [02:55] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: ahhh, yeah [02:55] <direwolf> ahem open office ahem [02:55] <PurpleMotion> this seeping through crap is nonsense [02:55] <hmrocha> i have a friend that doesn't have broadband internet access [02:55] <Razor-X> direwolf: LaTeX [02:55] <nickrud> skalpel, I've gotten around it pretty much (for my needs) with nautilus for writing, and dd for reading iso's [02:56] <hmrocha> he wants to use his 56k internal modem [02:56] <thoreauputic> robertj: it isn't slow on *my* mac either ;) [02:56] <robertj> Apple flat out sucks for not support OOo [02:56] <geneo93> proliants have bastard scsi drivers [02:56] <glick> is latex broken or something [02:56] <robertj> thoreauputic, that second gig of ram really kinda made sure it stays snappy [02:56] <hmrocha> i tried using the gui in system->networking [02:56] <Razor-X> glick: try reinstalling [02:56] <skalpel> nickrud: how do i write a disc with nautilus? [02:56] <glick> is that why its seffauilting [02:56] <hmrocha> but it didn't work [02:56] <direwolf> Razor-X, yeah ...helps me last longer [02:56] <glick> how the hell are other people able to backport it but not me [02:56] <robertj> thoreauputic, although VirtualPC is still not as fast as a decent P2 [02:56] <hmrocha> what can i do? [02:56] <glick> wtf [02:56] <Razor-X> glick: backport what? [02:56] <thoreauputic> direwolf: you don't even think about open ofice on a 200mmx 64MB - you run abiword [02:56] <glick> wxpython [02:57] <reka> hmrocha: as in it wasn't detected? [02:57] <Agrajag-> gday. i have an ubuntu box at work, where i can't download everything that apt-get dist-upgrade wants because of the size. is there a way i can download the required packages somewhere else and put them on a cd or something to install here? [02:57] <robertj> (btw, 1 gig is the absolute minimum for acceptable VirtualPC performance with an XP guest) [02:57] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I would run LaTeX, but i'm a huge LaTeX proponent ;) [02:57] <angryfix> hey zak [02:57] <direwolf> true thoreauputic [02:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> geneo93: what is that supposed to mean, hard to get to work in a GNU world? [02:57] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: i'd say koffice, but i'd imagine kde would harf and die, heh [02:57] <zak> Hey [02:57] <hmrocha> reka, no, it wasn't detected [02:57] <robertj> Agrajag: indeed! You can install the packages and then use dpkg -i to install them [02:57] <nickrud> skalpel, hm, if it' just an iso you downloaded (like colony 2) right click and write disk [02:57] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: I got KDE working snappily on my 100 mhz 486 there ;) [02:57] <skalpel> nickrud: what if i want to make a data disc or an audio disc? [02:57] <Agrajag-> robertj,: yeah i realise this.. but my problem is how to download the required packages somewhere else [02:57] <PurpleMotion> how much ram and what version of kde? [02:58] <reka> hmrocha: well, iirc, you can try and install your modem drivers (which i don't know how to do) or try wvdial (which i do know how to do) [02:58] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: KDE 3, 40 MB RAM [02:58] <geneo93> FlyingSquirrel32: no just you need to know what it is first [02:58] <PurpleMotion> i find 'snappily' very hard to believe, heh [02:58] <Razor-X> (guess how ;) [02:58] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: Thin Client XD [02:58] <hmrocha> reka, i tried wvdial too, but it can't detect the modem also [02:58] <nickrud> skalpel, data only, my way. serpentine is backports, ymmv [02:58] <PurpleMotion> true [02:58] <f_newton> Razor-X, I tend to not believe you about that [02:58] <robertj> Agrajag: well if you have a clean machine at home, you can clean out /var/cache/apt/archives and then apt-get install and then take all the files that are there and put them on cd [02:58] <Razor-X> just for kicks, I _had_ to see KDE on that monitor, working [02:58] <geneo93> i have a 3000 here and it works just fine [02:58] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: remote X right? [02:59] <Razor-X> f_newton: in a thin client, it's possibly [02:59] <Agrajag> asdf [02:59] <PurpleMotion> still, why not use something like fluxbox for such a limited resource machine [02:59] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: yeah, the other computer does the processing for you [02:59] <Agrajag-> robertj: i've only got debian boxes at home [02:59] <f_newton> ah thinclient... lol yeah remote x [02:59] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: for regular use, I do, this was a show-offy thing ;) [02:59] <nickrud> skalpel, if a blank disk is in the cdrom, nautilus burn:/// will get you a place to drop files and burn them [02:59] <Agrajag-> robertj: that's hardly a nice solution [02:59] <Razor-X> Agrajag-: aoeu [02:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> geneo93: What? you're talking in riddles. you need to know what what is? the the model of the drive? the pc? [02:59] <robertj> Agrajag: well are you willing to do the depts by hand? [02:59] <PurpleMotion> yeah right on [02:59] <Gorth> hey guys how do i run a program that i just installed in wine [02:59] <robertj> if not you could setup a hoary chroot [02:59] <direwolf> so far ive only tried kde gnome and xfce [02:59] <Razor-X> Gorth: wine program [02:59] <angryfix> While running Ubuntu, my intel extreme graphics card won't let me choose a higher resolution setting than 640x480, even though in my windows parition, I can go higher. How can I force the choice for higher and make it work? [02:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> geneo93:SCSI? [02:59] <PurpleMotion> so will konqueror burn:/// (I believe) [02:59] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yeah - if I need a hefty program I just ssh -X to my new box :) [02:59] <PurpleMotion> i use k3b, heh [02:59] <reka> Agrajag: you can download them directly: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ [03:00] <Agrajag> robertj: please stop using tab completion, you're failing it [03:00] <direwolf> ive gotta give fluxbox a shot [03:00] <f_newton> i use k3b [03:00] <Gorth> do i have to type out its whole path?! [03:00] <PurpleMotion> fluxbox is nice [03:00] <Agrajag-> reka: yeah i guess i should do that [03:00] <reka> Agrajag: note that when you install, you will most probably run into dependency problems [03:00] <Agrajag> oh [03:00] <Razor-X> direwolf: don't, it's nasty XD [03:00] <Gorth> i mean like C:/Program Files/yada yada yada [03:00] <geneo93> wine program name [03:00] <Agrajag> there's someone with almost the exact same nick here, that's why [03:00] <Razor-X> well, it's actualy pretty nice, but if your system can handle Enlightenment or XFce, there's no comparison, IMHO [03:00] <andy_> angryfix, gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or xfree86.conf, depends) [03:00] <Agrajag-> i've been using agrajag for years and years :P [03:00] <Razor-X> for my 486 there, Fluxbox just cruises [03:00] <Gorth> i'm not sure what wine calls it :/ [03:00] <glick> isnt there a place where ubuntu developers chat? [03:01] <reka> hmrocha: i think you might have a winmodem then...there's something about them on wvdial's website iirc [03:01] <PurpleMotion> i dont like enlightenment [03:01] <Agrajag> I've been using Zaphod for years, but since it was taken here I used this [03:01] <direwolf> well short on ram here [03:01] <Razor-X> glick: have you tried reinstaling LaTeX? [03:01] <PurpleMotion> xfce is nice tho [03:01] <Agrajag-> heh [03:01] <reka> glick: #ubuntu-devel iirc [03:01] <angryfix> andy_: so just one file needs changing...no other dependencies? [03:01] <f_newton> Razor-X, why use a gui on a 486? [03:01] <Razor-X> f_newton: because, I want to, I guess [03:01] <PurpleMotion> i loved windowmaker back in the day [03:01] <f_newton> fair enough [03:01] <skalpel> nickrud: is there any way to make it appear on the tree in browser? [03:01] <Razor-X> I rarely use a GUI, but it's there for show [03:01] <skalpel> nickrud: so i do not have to open two file browsers? [03:01] <thoreauputic> f_newton: if you use it as a thin client, why not? [03:01] <Razor-X> just so that the back of my Terminal _looks_ good [03:01] <f_newton> lol back in the day like you kids have any miles on ya [03:01] <Razor-X> it serves no ohter purpose ;) [03:01] <luminerd> My mouse won't work :( I'm using kubuntu 5.04...I can't even od the mouse. [03:01] <andy_> worked for me, just changing the values in that file [03:01] <nickrud> skalpel, no idea, I went for gnome spacial a long time ago [03:02] <luminerd> I tried switching mouses [03:02] <Razor-X> s/ohter/other/ [03:02] <luminerd> no mice will work on the system. [03:02] <Razor-X> although, I also run ratpoison on that box too [03:02] <hmrocha> reka, thanks [03:02] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: there's a nifty kde improvement that allows you to embed a terminal directly into your desktop, heh [03:02] <Razor-X> and ratpoison is also pretty nice, IMO [03:02] <luminerd> the same mice work fine on my windoze box. [03:02] <skalpel> nickrud: what is gnome spacial? [03:02] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: oh, really? [03:02] <geneo93> FlyingSquirrel32: i have dual p2 300's and 300+ mb of ram [03:02] <Razor-X> is it a Konsole only? [03:02] <PurpleMotion> ratpoison is FAST [03:02] <andy_> or try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [03:02] <PurpleMotion> yeah ill get you a link [03:02] <robertj> andy_, does catting /dev/input/mice turn up any bits being spewed out/ [03:02] <Razor-X> aww, I use Eterm -_- [03:02] <D1> ohhh, did they finally get rid of gnome-cd-player in gnome 2.11.90? [03:02] <nickrud> skalpel, a sec [03:02] <f_newton> i did andy_ and it worked so... [03:02] <thoreauputic> f_newton: hmm i remember taking punch cards to the computer room front desk and waiting a day to get the output back [03:02] <lJlolel> i installed java but firefox still doesn't work w/ java applets [03:02] <Razor-X> Eterm loads even before my computer finishes playing the Ubuntu loading music [03:03] <lJlolel> the firefox plugins folder has the symbolic link and everything... [03:03] <f_newton> ah the ol burroughs 660 [03:03] <Razor-X> ;) [03:03] <luminerd> My mouse won't work :( I'm using kubuntu 5.04...I can't even od the mouse. :( I tried switching mouses...no mice will work on the system....the same mice work fine on my windoze box. [03:03] <lJlolel> java -version says 1.5 [03:03] <cpt> ijo [03:03] <direwolf> i used the addon cd to get jre initially [03:03] <andy_> yeah but it's unreadable:) [03:03] <f_newton> luminerd we need more info [03:03] <robertj> luminerd: did catting /dev/input/mice show anything [03:03] <luminerd> f_newton, what kind of info? [03:03] <Razor-X> I love logitech's USB Thumb trackballs, they're incredible [03:03] <f_newton> serial, ps2, usb? [03:03] <lJlolel> direwolf, what addon cd? [03:04] <luminerd> robertj, no :( but the module's loaded [03:04] <luminerd> f_newton, ps/2 [03:04] <Razor-X> luminerd: try sudo aptitude install gpm [03:04] <skalpel> dnd does not do me much good if i cannot have it in the same browser window [03:04] <luminerd> ok 1 sec [03:04] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=17473 [03:04] <andy_> you need gpm for mouse [03:04] <Razor-X> and then running the gpm config (which I forgot, but it's in the man page)) [03:04] <direwolf> if you already have it im not sure why its not working ljlolel [03:04] <Razor-X> andy_: actually, X doesen't need gpm [03:04] <direwolf> is it enabled in firefox preferences? [03:05] <lJlolel> hm, lemme check [03:05] <Mobius> so I flashed my BIOS and now im stuck using VESA drivers instead of i810 =/ anyone have any ideas? [03:05] <lJlolel> yes [03:05] <reka> lJlolel: *cough* have you restarted firefox? [03:05] <PurpleMotion> Mobius: the vesa drivers work better than the i810 drivers anyways [03:05] <lJlolel> lol yes a few times [03:05] <lJlolel> and i restarted the comp [03:05] <Quest-Master> PurpleMotion: I beg to differ [03:05] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: OMFG, that is MINE! ;) [03:05] <lJlolel> it says i need the plugin where the applet should be [03:05] <Mobius> PurpleMotion, they are actually slower and when I startup there are artifacts= / [03:05] <PurpleMotion> ive seen at least ten people in here int he past two weeks with massive video driver problems, and reverting to the vesa driver fixed the issues EVERY time [03:05] <nickrud> skalpel, spacial is (extreemly roughly) all folders open at the same place as the last time it was opened. The idea is you remember things by where they are in you environment [03:06] <luminerd> Razor-X, ok what now? [03:06] <lJlolel> i installed the sdk, could that be a problem (it says i have jre..) [03:06] <aceb747> reka: what is wrong with firefox? [03:06] <Razor-X> luminerd: did you configure gpm? [03:06] <PurpleMotion> so *shrug* ymmv, i have an ati display [03:06] <nickrud> vs browser, which is a window into your file system [03:06] <luminerd> Razor-X, lol, no, I don't even know what gpm is [03:06] <direwolf> sdk includes jre [03:06] <Razor-X> luminerd: read the man page [03:06] <luminerd> I ran the aptitude command. [03:06] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: yeah, its slick [03:06] <reka> aceb747: i don't like it....don't know why you're asking me though. :) [03:06] <direwolf> i dont know about the plugin part [03:06] <luminerd> Razor-X, there isn't one. [03:06] <WebMaven> Hello. I'm having trouble with my Audio. The volume seems cranked up all the way, and the volume control doesn't turn it down. [03:06] <Razor-X> luminerd: man gpm ? [03:07] <luminerd> Razor-X, I know...there is no man. [03:07] <pepsi> who was my breezy buddy? [03:07] <aceb747> reka: jus wondering if you were thinking something else is better [03:07] <Razor-X> luminerd: is this hoary? [03:07] <nickrud> gnome spacial is different from ubuntu spacial, because of which button on the mouse you press. [03:07] <reka> Mobius: why not just set it back to use the driver you want? [03:07] <luminerd> Razor-X, 5.04, yea hoary. [03:07] <Razor-X> luminerd: did the CD MD5SUM check out? [03:07] <skalpel> nickrud: so this is like an app i can use? [03:07] <luminerd> oh [03:07] <reka> aceb747: well, i use mozilla personally.....same thing i guess. [03:07] <luminerd> Razor-X, I never checked [03:08] <luminerd> but I'm quite sure it was fine. [03:08] <WebMaven> Any ideas on what to do about the audio? [03:08] <nickrud> skalpel, no, nautilus provides both means of accessing your files; spacial is the default [03:08] <aceb747> reka: yeah same thing with more features [03:08] <Razor-X> luminerd: quite sure isn't always the same as ``sure sure'' [03:08] <luminerd> but maybe the problem is that when the aptitude was done I got "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 45 not upgraded" [03:08] <direwolf> does anyone know if CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is enabled in ubuntu kernel? [03:08] <Mobius> reka - once it gets to gdm, there is no visual - only sound [03:08] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: try running alsamixer in a terminal to adjust things [03:08] <Razor-X> luminerd: oh wait, hmm, I see [03:08] <Razor-X> Razor-X: you know how to surf the web in a terminal, right? [03:09] <deprave_> what's a good util for managing hard drive partitions etc [03:09] <reka> Mobius: how'd you set t back? hard-editing xorg.conf? [03:09] <deprave_> do you talk to yourself often? [03:09] <deprave_> haha [03:09] <Razor-X> (right about now, i'ld get ratpoison, just for X without a mouse) [03:09] <reka> *set it back [03:09] <Razor-X> deprave_: qtparted [03:09] <direwolf> qtparted [03:09] <aceb747> deprave_:fdisk [03:09] <Razor-X> aceb747: fdisk sucks [03:09] <luminerd> Razor-X, I assume that was to me, yea, I know lynx. [03:09] <deprave_> qtparted it is! [03:09] <Razor-X> cfdisk is _much_ better [03:09] <direwolf> hahaha [03:09] <Razor-X> luminerd: great [03:09] <luminerd> oh crap [03:09] <luminerd> lynx isn't on here [03:09] <WebMaven> what should the default sink and source be for audio in the Multimedia Systems Selector? [03:09] <aceb747> fdisk works for me [03:09] <Razor-X> luminerd: try installing it through aptitude [03:10] <skalpel> nickrud: how do i use it? [03:10] <luminerd> ok it's doin it [03:10] <luminerd> it worked, Razor-X [03:10] <nickrud> skalpel, too vague a question, what are you after [03:10] <Razor-X> luminerd: great [03:10] <Razor-X> start lynx [03:10] <Razor-X> and then [03:10] <Razor-X> !tell luminerd about repos [03:10] <Mobius> reka, I reconfigured xorg, yeah [03:10] <direwolf> wait! [03:10] <Razor-X> there you are [03:10] <Razor-X> I hope that doesen't use synaptic though [03:10] <deprave_> when i throw this other hard drive on the ide cable and boot up as long as jumpers are set correctly will the boot manager ask me what do boot to or do the hard drives have to be in a certain order? [03:11] <Mobius> reka, I could switch to a console with alt ctrl f1 [03:11] <direwolf> CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 needs to be enabled for wep, correct? [03:11] <Razor-X> if it does, simply add it to your sources.list (as you should know how to do) [03:11] <Razor-X> Mobius: Ctrl+Alt+F1 [03:11] <cefx> Anyone here have the pak0.pk3 file? [03:11] <direwolf> im thinking i should try insmodding these [03:11] <Mobius> I know Razor-X [03:11] <cefx> If you have the quake3 pak0.pk3 file speak up :P [03:11] <Razor-X> cefx: Warez doesen't belong here [03:11] <skalpel> nickrud:i am curious about this spatial concept of gnome. i do not even know if i am currently using it. is this something you define by the settings you use in your file browser? [03:11] <luminerd> Razor-X, how the crap will that help me, I don't have a mouse -_- [03:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: so you can get gpm [03:12] <reka> Mobius: er, there's a difference b/n reconfiguring and hard editing...to me at least [03:12] <Razor-X> pshhh, you people are too reliant on mice ;) [03:12] <benkong2> anybody familiar with this error? E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libmozgnome.so', which is also in package mozilla-firefox-gnome-support [03:12] <luminerd> Razor-X, yea but I don't have a mouse... [03:12] <luminerd> I can't do any of that [03:12] <WebMaven> The mixer I can switch between ALSA and OSS, with no effect. [03:12] <reka> Mobius: you mean you ran this: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'? [03:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: can't you add the repos into sources.list? [03:12] <Mobius> reka, sorry, my mistake - no i didnt edit xorg.conf [03:12] <luminerd> give me commands to run, that's fine, but don't tell me to use X because there's no possible way. [03:12] <direwolf> im gonna go for it, for sure [03:12] <Mobius> reka, yes [03:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: ... you have done that, right? [03:13] <luminerd> Razor-X, I haven't done anything. [03:13] <reka> Mobius: ah, ok then......not sure sorry. that was my only idea. [03:13] <luminerd> I just got the system "up" and the only things I've done are what you told me, as well as an od. [03:13] <Mobius> reka, I had to flash my BIOS so the wireless would work [03:13] <direwolf> ok if im back fairly soon , either good or no change ....if not ill see you tomorrow [03:13] <Razor-X> luminerd: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list [03:13] <Mobius> reka, now im stuck with VESA =/ [03:13] <Razor-X> and add in the URLs into this file [03:13] <WebMaven> In the Multimedia Systems Selector, only the ESD Output test succeeds. [03:13] <luminerd> ok I'm there Razor-X [03:14] <nickrud> skalpel, if you are using a standard ubuntu install, you are using spacial, unless you go to System->Preferences->File Management tab Behavior and click always open in browser windows [03:14] <luminerd> oh [03:14] <Razor-X> luminerd: add it in, basically [03:14] <skalpel> nickrud: which would do what? [03:14] <nickrud> skalpel, try it, it won't break anything [03:14] <luminerd> Razor-X, add what in? [03:14] <skalpel> k [03:14] <reka> WebMaven: for me: default sink: esd, default source: oss [03:14] <Razor-X> luminerd: the URLs of the extra repos [03:15] <reka> WebMaven: try apps > sound/video > vol. control [03:15] <WebMaven> reka: those are my defaults too. [03:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, what urls? [03:15] <skalpel> nickrud: i think you and i use windows the same way, i always set window to do that, and so x will be no different [03:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: *sigh* hold on [03:15] <reka> WebMaven: and seeing if any levels are max in there [03:15] <nickrud> skalpel, and, I never set it that way :) [03:15] <skalpel> nickrud: i still do not see any way to use nautilus to write discs though [03:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: add these lines in [03:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, I'm sorry but I don't see how I could know these lol [03:15] <Razor-X> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe [03:15] <Razor-X> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe [03:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, top or bottom? [03:16] <Razor-X> bottom... [03:16] <luminerd> OOOH! those! lol sorry [03:16] <nickrud> skalpel, hit alt-f2, enter nautilus burn: [03:16] <Razor-X> hahahaha [03:16] <CurtinDaVern> Hi there, I have recently tried Linspire but I am unable to get my WiFi card working could someone be kind enough to let me know if it would be possible to work under Ubuntu? [03:16] <DeancoLinux> Hello, how do I install mplayer. It mentions about dependences not right... [03:16] <nickrud> drag files from you browser [03:16] <luminerd> Razor-X, should I uncomment the ones already theree? [03:16] <WebMaven> reka: that just brings up the same volume control I get from the panel control. [03:16] <Razor-X> luminerd: if they're there, go ahead [03:16] <kaffeend> does anyone know how to change screen refresh rate plz? Mine is stuck on 60 hz and I'm nearly having seizures here! [03:16] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: how did you install MPlayer? [03:16] <WebMaven> reka: It doesn't have any effect. [03:16] <luminerd> Razor-X, ok, done, now I do the sudo aptitude install gpm? [03:16] <Razor-X> !tell kaffeend about resolution [03:16] <reka> WebMaven: er, are you using alsa? [03:16] <nickrud> slow, I am [03:17] <Razor-X> this details resolution, but should explain that too [03:17] <Razor-X> luminerd: not yet [03:17] <Razor-X> luminerd: sudo aptitude update [03:17] <skalpel> nickrud: could not find /home/burn, try again [03:17] <WebMaven> reka: How would I tell? [03:17] <reka> kaffeend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto [03:17] <Razor-X> _then_ sudo aptitude install gpm [03:17] <WebMaven> Hmm. [03:17] <reka> WebMaven: nvm, probably not. :) [03:17] <nickrud> skalpel, you're making this much too hard. [03:17] <aceb747> CurtinDaVern: your wifi would work if there is a module for it in the kernel.... u might want to try compiling a 2.6.10 kernel [03:17] <DeancoLinux> it won't let me I'm trying to install it thru syntic... [03:17] <skalpel> nickrud: i got it now. [03:17] <luminerd> Razor-X, ok one sec [03:17] <CurtinDaVern> aceb747: could I pm you please? [03:17] <WebMaven> reka: the PCM level is maxed, and won't budge. [03:17] <skalpel> nickrud: taht is what i wanted, a disc folder on the tree so i could drag n drop. [03:17] <luminerd> Razor-X, save to sources.list right? [03:17] <kaffeend> thanks guys [03:17] <Razor-X> of course [03:17] <aceb747> CurtinDaVern: sure [03:18] <skalpel> nickrud: why did it not give me that when i typed burn: in the address window? [03:18] <reka> WebMaven: interesting...that's probably it then [03:18] <luminerd> ok it did it, Razor-X [03:18] <nickrud> skalpel, I don't know, I don't write the software, just work with it :) [03:18] <Razor-X> luminerd: now try ``dpkg-reconfigure gpm'' [03:18] <luminerd> ok [03:18] <spola> i would like to associate an icon to .nb files, how do i do that? [03:18] <WebMaven> reka: ok, I can drag it down to zero, but nowhere in between. [03:18] <DeancoLinux> Razor-x: any ideas? [03:18] <thoreauputic> skalpel: burn:/// or something like that (I never use nautilus if I can help it) [03:18] <luminerd> Razor-X, package 'gpm [03:19] <angryfix> andy_: all the possible resolutions are listed in xorg.conf, but when i go to System->Prefs->Resolution, I can only choose 680x480 [03:19] <reka> WebMaven: try clicking on it, then using the down/up arrows [03:19] <lJlolel> ok, so i reinstalled firefox and java, jre is there, symlink is there.. firefox doesn't see the plugin ?! [03:19] <luminerd> Razor-X, is not installed and no info is available [03:19] <reka> angryfix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto [03:19] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: why doesen't it install through synaptic? [03:19] <Razor-X> you can't find it? [03:19] <angryfix> reka: thanks, I'll try that [03:19] <WebMaven> reka: no, it just sort of jiggles in place, something is maxing it even as I try to move it down. [03:19] <DeancoLinux> It says something like Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed [03:19] <skalpel> nickrud: how do i change the way nautilus sorts my files? can i have it sort music by album name, like in xp? [03:20] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: ahhh [03:20] <nickrud> skalpel, probably not [03:20] <Razor-X> DeancoLinux: try adding backports [03:20] <Razor-X> !backports [03:20] <ubotu> I heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [03:20] <Razor-X> there you are [03:20] <gpd> is the java plugin from sun reliable in firefox or is it just me? [03:20] <skalpel> nickrud: ah, something xp has over x [03:20] <skalpel> what a pity [03:20] <DeancoLinux> How do I do that, I'm a noob... [03:20] <luminerd> Razor-X, was that to me? [03:20] <WebMaven> reka: what should try next? [03:21] <luminerd> Razor-X, what should I do since it can't find package gpm [03:21] <f_newton> skalpel, another thing windows has over linux is a 56 billion dollar a year budget [03:21] <WebMaven> reka? [03:21] <thoreauputic> skalpel: just a different philosophy - the music apps do the sorting for you (rhythmbox, amarok for example) [03:21] <lJlolel> have you heard of anyone else having this problem? [03:21] <Razor-X> luminerd: /usr/sbin/gpm [03:21] <glick> hey how can i find out which version of pygtk2 is available in the repose [03:21] <reka> WebMaven: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 [03:21] <nickrud> DeancoLinux, that error is most likely caused by an incompatible repository in sources.list [03:22] <luminerd> Razor-X, no such file or dir. [03:22] <Razor-X> luminerd: did aptitude install gpm? [03:22] <reka> WebMaven: once you've done all that, change the device in vol.control to the ALSA one, and then see if changing the volumes there changes anything [03:22] <skalpel> thoreaputic: yeah but if i am going to write a disc in nautilus i want to be able to sort out the albums. this is a data disc that will hopefully be read my a walkman that plays mp3's [03:22] <WebMaven> reka: is all that really necessary? [03:22] <f_newton> luminerd have you sudo apt-get install gpm? [03:23] <skalpel> thoreaputic: how would i mention something like this to the ubuntu dev team? [03:23] <Chadwill> what window manager must have to get say..clock calendar disk/cpu/ram usage and a launch bar on the bottom of my screen? [03:23] <catolh> is there a working "xmms-info" script for x-chat out there? i've looked all over the place but with no luck.. [03:23] <luminerd> Razor-X, lscd in #kubuntu says gpm won't help since I'm not getting data from the mouse anyway [03:23] <reka> WebMaven: probably not....but i use that to get sound the way i like it.....feel free to try something else. i'm not much of a sound guru [03:23] <f_newton> and this is a ps2 mouse? [03:23] <luminerd> f_newton, no, lol [03:23] <thoreauputic> skalpel: i believe you'll be able to burn CDs directly from rhythmbox in breezy (you can already do it from konqueror or amarok using k3b) [03:24] <skalpel> yes but i do not use kde [03:24] <reka> glick: what's the full package name? [03:24] <Razor-X> luminerd: hmmm..... [03:24] <skalpel> i guess i will definately have to install breezy when it comes out then. [03:24] <luminerd> Razor-X, yea, but before I updated all this [03:24] <f_newton> luminerd did you unplug the mouse while the machine is powered up? [03:24] <luminerd> should I do it again Razor-X ? [03:24] <luminerd> f_newton, no, plus I rebooted anyway so that would've fixed it [03:24] <WebMaven> reka: I'll give it a shot. [03:24] <thoreauputic> skalpel: well, hopefully in October this won't be an issue in gnome either [03:24] <f_newton> no if you unplugged a ps2 connection while system on you could have fried the i/o [03:24] <Razor-X> luminerd: try reinstalling [03:25] <Razor-X> f_newton: it works fine in Windows [03:25] <skalpel> thoreaputic: how can i send an email to the dev team about things i would like to see added/changed? [03:25] <skalpel> or is this something that would be mentioned to the gnome team? [03:25] <reka> WebMaven: righto...if you're still having problems, come back here and ask crimsun when he's active....he's the sound-guy. [03:25] <f_newton> Razor-X, has he reconfigured his xorg yet? [03:25] <skalpel> i thought it was a very handy feature i windows and i miss it here in X [03:25] <thoreauputic> skalpel: it will be a simple change in source names, and an apt-get dist-upgrade... [03:25] <f_newton> tried to manually install the mouse? [03:26] <Chadwill> by launch bar mean like in os-x [03:26] <thoreauputic> skalpel: you can put in a wish-list bug on bugzilla [03:26] <luminerd> Razor-X, I tried sudo aptitude install gpm, and I got a big list of options and a "this aptitude does not have super cow powers" [03:26] <Razor-X> luminerd: did you spell it right? [03:26] <Razor-X> ``install'' I mean [03:26] <thoreauputic> luminerd: heheh - type apt-get moo in a terminal :) [03:27] <Razor-X> f_newton: not just yet [03:27] <luminerd> Razor-X, yea, lol [03:27] <skalpel> thoreaputic: upgrading to breezy sounds like it will be very easy, i <3 aptitude [03:27] <Razor-X> luminerd: try apt-get instead of aptitude then [03:27] <luminerd> thoreauputic, serious? [03:27] <f_newton> Razor-X, thats the first thing I would have done myself...but.... I gotta run n chat wif my gf...bye [03:27] <thoreauputic> luminerd: yes - try it :) [03:27] <thoreauputic> apt-get moo [03:27] <luminerd> lol! [03:27] <thoreauputic> :D [03:28] <thoreauputic> super cow powers!! [03:28] <lJlolel> i'll try the freesdk [03:28] <bimberi> now try "aptitude moo" [03:28] <Chadwill> .. [03:28] <WebMaven> reka, the howto has an ambiguous instraction. [03:28] <chillywilly> heh... [03:29] <lJlolel> hahahah [03:29] <WebMaven> step 4 has code, but now direction as to where to put it. [03:29] <bimberi> then "aptitude -v moo" [03:29] <Chadwill> fresh install of ubuntu dont lok good..where do i get themes and stuff..? [03:29] <lJlolel> lollll [03:29] <bimberi> then "aptitude -v -v moo" (and so on) [03:29] <gpd> pjirc chat windows seem to crash firefox :( but other java sites work [03:29] <thoreauputic> bimberi: hahaha [03:29] <catolh> can i make x-chat run a cmd in console? "bash" [03:29] <thoreauputic> bimberi: good one! [03:30] <reka> WebMaven: you type that in a terminal [03:30] <reka> WebMaven: it's a command [03:30] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :) [03:30] <luminerd> oh god. [03:31] <reka> Chadwill: [03:31] <reka> !themes [03:31] <ubotu> well, themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ [03:31] <luminerd> my frickin ex gf called. [03:31] <thoreauputic> bimberi: really funny - if you do 4 -v s it gets even funnier :D [03:31] <black13> luminerd kick her to the curb [03:31] <shammy> I need to get the 2.6.10 kernel source for installing ndiswrapper, is there any way to get it off the install disc with synaptic? [03:31] <WebMaven> reka: oh, I see. I was opening that by using the Multimedia System Selector menu option. [03:32] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yes lol - it stops after 6 [03:32] <black13> where do i find the source debian packages? [03:32] <black13> scuse me ubuntu [03:32] <bimberi> black13: with deb-src lines in your sources.list [03:32] <nomasteryoda> black13, like to download or on your system? [03:33] <thoreauputic> bimberi: didn't know about this one - thanks -made my day! :D [03:33] <black13> yest to download [03:33] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :) [03:33] <black13> bimberi thanks [03:33] <black13> bimberi duh [03:33] <skalpel> how do i change my splash screen in gnome? [03:34] <transgress> bored command of the day: cal 9 1752 [03:34] <bimberi> thoreauputic: for even more 'fun' install "cowsay" :) [03:34] <thoreauputic> bimberi: OK - you twisted my arm heheh [03:34] <nomasteryoda> black13, if you want to search them, you can just go online and use one of those mirrors from sources.list .. or .. sudo apt-cache search packagename [03:35] <nomasteryoda> lol [03:35] <nomasteryoda> cowsay [03:35] <spola> where in ubuntu do you change what icon get's used for what application? (eg .php files use a special icon, i want to do that for other extensions aswell) [03:35] <nomasteryoda> and bouncing cows... good together [03:35] <nomasteryoda> spola, depends on the theme [03:35] <nomasteryoda> that Gnome is using... [03:36] <flugh> skalpel, i'd go to art.gnome.org, download a splashscreen theme, then read the README in it. probably an easier way, but i dont know it offhand [03:36] <skalpel> i know there is a very easy way because someone in this channel told me once before. [03:36] <skalpel> i think it was in config editor but i cannot find it now [03:36] <Xenguy> Ubuntu's Firefox seems to default to opening text files with 'gedit'; how can I convince FF to open text files with a different editor? [03:36] <black13> nomasteryoda [03:36] <reka> spola: try this: right-click on file with extension you want to change> properties > select custom icon... [03:36] <nomasteryoda> black13, yes? [03:36] <flugh> skalpel, or there's maybe some docs on the art.gnome.org site that explain it. i'm all for making stuff complicated though, so i hit the docs first :) [03:37] <bimberi> skalpel: System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup -> Graphical greeter tab [03:37] <BIGDADDY> url to ubuntu in spanish is #ubuntu_es ? [03:37] <flugh> bimberi, well, if you want to do it the easy way ;p [03:37] <nomasteryoda> !es [03:37] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [03:37] <lJlolel> can icreate a .deb file? [03:37] <spola> reka: does that work for all files or just that one? [03:37] <black13> nomasteryoda sorry i was buffering you name so i could respond later [03:37] <bimberi> flugh: :P [03:37] <nomasteryoda> black13, np [03:38] <reka> spola: honestly, not sure.....one way of finding out. :) [03:38] <nomasteryoda> yeah... u botu works [03:38] <nomasteryoda> google [03:38] <black13> nomasteryoda i found the org.tar file i am trying to figreout why xorg on the embedded system i am working on isnt working [03:38] <nomasteryoda> ah, ok [03:38] <flugh> crap. i left my thumbdrive at work. now i gotta burn about 100Kb to a cd-r [03:38] <black13> nomasteryoda use the force ... read the source [03:38] <thoreauputic> lJlolel: sure -several ways: ranging from the simle to the canonical Debian method [03:38] <gpd> is it safer to install the rpm or the self-extracting java from sun? [03:38] <nickrud> skalpel, thanks, a non philosophical question :) apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image [03:38] <thoreauputic> *simple [03:38] <nomasteryoda> black13, man you are into it [03:38] <nomasteryoda> =) [03:39] <skalpel> nickrud: awesome, thank you [03:39] <Xenguy> !java [03:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [03:39] <spola> nah it doesn't seem to work [03:39] <reka> flugh: why not just email it? :-/ [03:39] <gpd> Xenguy: yeah, those sun java files are busted... [03:39] <flugh> reka: i live in the only area of the usa without internet access. well, no broadband, and i aint doin' AOL [03:39] <thoreauputic> flugh: floppies are sometimes still useful... [03:39] <flugh> there's dsl across the street [03:39] <skalpel> nickrud: actually i cannot find 'gnome session' anywwhere in my gnome menu [03:39] <reka> thoreauputic: bout to say that. :) [03:40] <flugh> no floppy on the box at work (eMachine, floppiless model) [03:40] <lJlolel> spola, it doesn't work for me either [03:40] <skalpel> nickrud: oh you mean in config editor, k thank you [03:40] <nickrud> skalpel, in gconf-editor, you mentioned it [03:40] <nomasteryoda> gpd, sshhh, i did my java via directions on ubuntu guide.org [03:40] <nomasteryoda> flugh, uggh [03:40] <Snufj> it all scrolls so fast here but i am able to learn a bit though :) [03:40] <thoreauputic> flugh: why not just email it to yourself? [03:40] <WebMaven> reka: well, sound still works. but the volume control still doesn't. [03:40] <flugh> no biggie. maybe i can pad my data with some pr0n or mp3s. need reading material for lunch you know [03:40] <Xenguy> 2nd try: Ubuntu's Firefox seems to default to opening text files with 'gedit'; how can I convince FF to open text files with a different editor? [03:41] <nomasteryoda> flugh, lol [03:41] <gpd> nomasteryoda: http://www.pjirc.com/demo.php can you run pjirc ? [03:41] <nomasteryoda> we'll see [03:41] <flugh> thoreauputic, no internet at work [03:41] <reka> WebMaven: type 'alsamixer' in a terminal....you need to look at 'MASTER' and 'PCM' [03:41] <WebMaven> ok. [03:42] <reka> flugh: *chuckle* that's the way. :) [03:42] <WebMaven> what am I looking for? [03:42] <reka> WebMaven: the volume levels [03:42] <skalpel> what does anyone haveto say about building in scsi emulation for cdrw drives? [03:42] <reka> WebMaven: 'MASTER' and 'PCM' [03:42] <reka> WebMaven: try changing them there [03:42] <thoreauputic> flugh: a quill pen and a nice sheet of acid free parchment then ;-) [03:42] <WebMaven> PCM is 0 [03:42] <nomasteryoda> gpd, yea... looks fine on my suse box ... =) [03:43] <WebMaven> Master is 35 [03:43] <nomasteryoda> gpd, give sec and i'll check on the new ubuntu box [03:43] <gpd> nomasteryoda: mmm... must be my chip, I'm using the k7 kernel on a k8 [03:43] <t0mmy> ugh... i need a new wallpaper :D [03:43] <flugh> i'll tell the boss ' i used stenography to hide your secret data in this pr0n. i'm not really looking at their skin, i'm really working... these are not the pics you are looking for. move along' [03:43] <reka> WebMaven: and you still have full volume? [03:43] <nomasteryoda> gpd, could be [03:43] <gpd> nomasteryoda: the error log references /lib/tls so very likely [03:43] <nomasteryoda> sense that makes [03:44] <WebMaven> reka, yes. [03:44] <reka> WebMaven: do you mean system sounds? or a certain app? [03:44] <rover_dan> anyone tried using the Acrobat Rreader 7 in Breezy? my reader wasn't startup , and there wasn't any error msg. any idea? [03:44] <nickrud> Razor-X, I meant to ask, how was exim? [03:44] <WebMaven> reka: Master I can increase or decrease without any change to the volume. [03:44] <WebMaven> reka: PCM can't be changed. [03:44] <nickrud> or did you try it? [03:45] <nomasteryoda> rover_dan, er, have same issue with suse, ubuntu hoary/breezy... maybe defective reader? [03:45] <reka> WebMaven: strange [03:45] <reka> WebMaven: but do you mean system sounds? or a certain app? [03:46] <nomasteryoda> but my kpdf works fine [03:46] <nomasteryoda> =) [03:46] <gpd> kernel of choice for AMD64 in 32bit mode anyone? k7 obviously not good... [03:46] <rover_dan> nomasteryoda, it's okey in hoary, and evince works fine. [03:46] <grigora> hi, could someone tell me how I can get foreign characters (Armenian) to show up in OpenOffice. I set up the keyboard layout and was able to type in the test box correctly, however when I do the same in OO, I get gibberish, thanks [03:46] <WebMaven> reka: Hmm. I just noticed that Master says it's off, regardless of the volume. [03:46] <Veon> Anyone know what the Norwegian Ubuntu channel is called? [03:47] <reka> speaking of PDFs, anyone know of a reader than can add sticky notes to pages? (would be useful for lectures) [03:47] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: look for mm and hit m to unmute a channel [03:47] <WebMaven> reka: the system sounds are at full volume, apps that have their own volume control can of course be lowered. [03:47] <nomasteryoda> rover_dan, cool [03:48] <reka> grigora: er, perhaps install the armenian language support package for OO? [03:48] <snackalot> someone tell me witch lib to play mp3 with music player [03:48] <bingobango> snackalot: i would like to know as well [03:48] <WebMaven> thoreauputic: unmuting the Master channel had no effect. [03:49] <thoreauputic> Veon: usually it's #ubuntu-(country code) - like #ubuntu-dk [03:49] <grigora> reka: thanks, but what exactly is it? do you have a package name? [03:49] <bingobango> snackalot: are you able to play other music file types? [03:49] <black13> whenever i startx i can see the hash pattern displayed then x11 dies and i get the error "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkeycomp) reports: Error: Cannot open "compiled/server-0.xkm" to write keyboard description [03:49] <snackalot> yes [03:49] <snackalot> ogg [03:50] <Veon> Ok, thnx! [03:50] <snackalot> wav [03:50] <bingobango> snackalot: i have installed libmad0, libmad0-dev, libmpeg3-1 [03:50] <thoreauputic> snackalot: install gstreamer0.8-mad for totem and rhythmbox [03:50] <bingobango> snackalot but still no mp3 [03:50] <WebMaven> reka, thoreauputic: hah! muting the PCM channel turns it off, even though the volume can't be adjusted. [03:50] <bimberi> snackalot: try gstreamer0.8-mad [03:50] <reka> grigora: er, excuse my ignorance, but what's your language called? i can't find armenian [03:50] <Veon> Oh, didn't work [03:50] <WebMaven> what do I try next? [03:50] <snackalot> had the dam thing working befor just forgot witch one it is [03:50] <bimberi> oops - too fast thoreauputic :) [03:51] <skalpel> does anyone have any advice on adding scsi emulation to my cd-rw drive to be able to write files correctly? [03:51] <skalpel> which it is not doing on it's own [03:51] <reka> WebMaven: *cough* do you have a volume knob on your speakers? :P [03:51] <nomasteryoda> black13, locked file? [03:51] <skalpel> someone told me the linux atapi drivers are shitty [03:51] <nomasteryoda> black13, permissions ? [03:51] <WebMaven> reka: I'm using headphones, so no. [03:51] <bingobango> bimberi: i get ** Message: don't know how to handle application/x-id3 when trying to play mp3 on totem [03:51] <snackalot> thanks thoreauputic wow what a name to type [03:51] <toresbe> thoreauputic: cool! [03:51] <toresbe> thoreauputic: what model? [03:52] <black13> nomasteryoda which file? [03:52] <toresbe> thoreauputic: Mine is a /73, and I'm struggling with it atm [03:52] <bingobango> thoreauputic: i have gstreamer installed, but no success playing mp3s with totem [03:52] <Veon> thoreauputic, it worked, thank you. [03:52] <toresbe> thoreauputic: Debugging ASM code in 211BSD [03:52] <reka> bingobango: totem doesn't have mp3 support by default iirc [03:52] <thoreauputic> toresbe: heheh - the well-known Virtual Imaginary model mkIV [03:52] <grigora> reka: it's called Armenina [03:52] <reka> !restricted [03:52] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [03:52] <bimberi> bingobango: got me there [03:52] <grigora> reka: typo: Armenian [03:53] <toresbe> thoreauputic: Actually, the MK-4 is a Soviet clone :) [03:53] <black13> nomasteryoda server-0.xkm? [03:53] <bingobango> reka: yep. i think you're right. but thoreauputic was saying that by installing gstreamer, it would be able to do so. [03:53] <WebMaven> reka: the problem is that I can adjust the audio for music in an app, but can't adjust the volume of the system sounds. they are painfully loud when the go off. [03:53] <thoreauputic> bingobango: gstreamer0.8-mad [03:53] <thoreauputic> bingobango: not just "gstreamer" [03:53] <toresbe> thoreauputic: But LTNS :) [03:53] <reka> grigora: *nod* sorry, not sure... i can't find an armenian package when i 'apt-cache search openoffice language' [03:54] <bddebian> Howdy folks [03:54] <nomasteryoda> black13, well it would indicate the path to the server-0.xkm is incorrect? [03:54] <reka> grigora: try searching the forums/wiki/googling [03:54] <bingobango> thoreauputic: i don't see gstreamer0.8-mad [03:54] <bingobango> thoreauputic: in synaptic [03:54] <skalpel> does anyone have any problems with small chirps and bleeps from the sound system when playing music files in rhythymbox? [03:54] <reka> grigora: unless someone else who has installed language support in OO can help [03:54] <felesh> hi [03:54] <thoreauputic> !info gstreamer0.8-mad [03:54] <felesh> where is modconf in ubuntu? [03:54] <ubotu> gstreamer0.8-mad: (MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 136 kB [03:54] <bddebian> Hello felesh [03:54] <skalpel> maybe something to do with buffering? [03:54] <bimberi> !info gstreamer0.8-mad [03:54] <reka> bingobango: thoreauputic just posted the package you need [03:54] <thoreauputic> bingobango: in universe [03:55] <thoreauputic> !repos [03:55] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [03:55] <snackalot> hay that did not work [03:55] <black13> nomasteryoda funny there are no files *.xkm [03:55] <nomasteryoda> looking [03:55] <reka> WebMaven: hmm, very strange [03:55] <black13> nomasteryoda waiting for source navigator to cross reference all of xorg [03:55] <bingobango> reka: sorry i'm new to packages... how do i get that pkg thoreau posted? [03:55] <bimberi> thoreauputic: irc on a pdp-11 - Impressive! ;) [03:55] <nomasteryoda> black13, bug reference .. http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1155&tstart=0 [03:55] <bddebian> felesh: There is a modconf package [03:55] <shammy> can I get my kerner source through synaptic? [03:55] <toresbe> bimberi: Hell, I've done that :) [03:55] <grigora> reka: thanks for trying [03:55] <reka> WebMaven: what really puzzles me is your master volume was muted yet you heard sound [03:56] <thoreauputic> bingobango: that's what the !repos URL tells you [03:56] <felesh> bddebian, no [03:56] <bingobango> !repos [03:56] <felesh> i need load a module and ubuntu haven't modconf, i may to use insmod but i dont know the name of all the modules... where are modconf in ubuntu? [03:56] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [03:56] <reka> bingobango: thoreauputic posted the solution to that too. :) [03:56] <Veon> How do people, like, save their nickname in IRC? [03:56] <bddebian> felesh: In universe [03:56] <WebMaven> reka: puzzles me too. [03:56] <reka> Veon: x-chat > server list [03:56] <toresbe> Veon: /set nick loogoofoo [03:56] <black13> nomasteryoda yep that sounds right i am using squashfs mounted readonly file system [03:56] <thoreauputic> Veon: /msg nickserv help [03:56] <nomasteryoda> yea [03:56] <reka> or that. :) [03:56] <felesh> bddebian, not in hoary at last [03:57] <thoreauputic> Veon: ah, I misunderstood maybe [03:57] <Veon> Ok, thanx, guys! I'll try it ;) [03:57] <PurpleMotion> if only there were a graphics application for linux that came within a mile of fireworks *sigh* [03:57] <bddebian> Gah, I really have to set up a hoary box [03:57] <reka> WebMaven: try searching the forums [03:57] <reka> WebMaven: if nothing, like i said, ask crimsun when he's active [03:57] <nomasteryoda> black13, but it should not be writing to that folder anyway... '/var would be correct... like the post says...which should work via ramdrive [03:57] <reka> PurpleMotion: there's a fireworks screensaver. :P [03:57] <supernix> hey anyone happen to know the pixels common for a banner that would be at the top of a page ? [03:57] <whitefang> is blackbox the default ubuntu wm? [03:58] <reka> whitefang: no, gnome is [03:58] <whitefang> or is it that new light weight blackbox? [03:58] <socomm> whitefang: No, metacity. [03:58] <thoreauputic> whitefang: erm - no [03:58] <whitefang> metacity is a light blackbox isn't it? [03:58] <thoreauputic> whitefang: no [03:58] <whitefang> it looks like blackbox [03:58] <socomm> whitefang: Nope. [03:58] <thoreauputic> whitefang: it isn't [03:58] <huttan> hello, does anyone know how to tell a wireless network card to lock on to a specific wireless network at bootup, and not scan and try the one with the best signal? [03:58] <socomm> Metacity looks nothing like blackbox. [03:59] <nomasteryoda> black13, look at this post... might help http://tinyurl.com/8u7ot [03:59] <luminerd> Razor-X, you still around? [03:59] <supernix> hey anyone happen to know the pixels common for a banner that would be at the top of a page ? anyone ?????? [03:59] <whitefang> they copied blackbox then. [03:59] <socomm> whitefang: No .... [03:59] <supernix> actually the size in pixels is what I am looking for ? [03:59] <whitefang> does ubuntu update the linux kernel regularily? or do i have to wait for the next release? [03:59] <thoreauputic> supernix: your question is triumphantly unclear [03:59] <niran> huttan, system > administration > networking [03:59] <nomasteryoda> supernix, like a standard size? [03:59] <supernix> yes [04:00] <nomasteryoda> ah, let me look [04:00] <niran> huttan, click the wireless card, preferences, and enter the essid [04:00] <socomm> whitefang: The kernel is updated periodically, and when *major* bugs arise. [04:00] <huttan> niran, I did set the right essid, still it tries to connect to another network according to my syslog [04:00] <nomasteryoda> supernix, try google for .. standard web banner dimensions [04:00] <niran> huttan, weird. [04:01] <huttan> niran, indeed [04:01] <supernix> ok ty thought someone might know off the top of thier head [04:01] <niran> huttan, at a terminal, type cat /etc/network/interfaces [04:01] <nomasteryoda> 350x300 or 720x300 [04:01] <nomasteryoda> or 468x60 [04:01] <niran> and make sure it has your essid there in a reasonable place [04:01] <nomasteryoda> supernix, #ubuntu-offtopic [04:01] <nomasteryoda> or #gimp [04:01] <huttan> niran, wireless-essid is in there [04:02] <Veon> thoreauputic, you were right ;) you didn't missunderstand :) [04:02] <huttan> niran, maybe it shouldnt be at the bottom of the different things? [04:02] <socomm> whitefang: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/AboutBlackbox read more about blackbox there. [04:02] <thoreauputic> Veon: ah, nice to know my brain hasn't totally atrophied ;) [04:02] <niran> huttan, it shouldn't matter as long as other essids aren't listed as well [04:03] <grigora> does anyone know why I cannot find xfonts-efont-unicode? it shows up on packages.ubuntu.com, but apt-cache search does not find anything [04:03] <huttan> niran, it's only one [04:03] <whitefang> how do i configure what services are started? [04:03] <nomasteryoda> !xfonts [04:03] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [04:03] <reka> grigora: it's in universe [04:03] <reka> !repos [04:03] <Razor-X> what's the command to see the debs available at a certan sources.list URL? [04:03] <nomasteryoda> lol [04:03] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [04:03] <whitefang> i see something that nmap calls ipp, i think it's the lan printing service and i want to disable it. [04:04] <grigora> reka: what does that mean? I am very new to Ubuntu, so please bear with me [04:04] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: if you want to know where a package originates, apt-cache policy <package> [04:04] <avanspronsen> whitefang: I use BUM [04:04] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: not where a package, but, I added a source, and I want to see the exact packages it offers [04:04] <reka> grigora: you need to enable a certain repository the package is in [04:05] <reka> grigora: by default, it's disabled [04:05] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: the other way round probably invoves some fancy perl or something [04:05] <bingobango> reka: and after you enable that repository, is the package automatically loaded? [04:05] <reka> whitefang: install rcconf [04:05] <Bryan29556> anyone know how to download your home movies off of a digital video camera [04:05] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: although I think in synaptic you can browse by repo? [04:05] <huttan> niran, sometimes when I start the puter up it works, sometimes not, it's really random [04:06] <reka> bingobango: no. you need to apt-get update/reload in synaptic to update your package list....it will then be found next time you search [04:06] <grigora> reka: thanks [04:06] <bingobango> reka: aha! thanks. [04:06] <reka> Bryan29556: plugging it in? [04:06] <reka> usb i assume [04:06] <Bryan29556> it is plugged in using a usb interface [04:06] <strykewulf> hey guys [04:06] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: gah, that means I have to use synaptic ;) [04:06] <Bryan29556> yep [04:07] <strykewulf> is there a way in apache to see the statistics of the website it is hosting [04:07] <reka> Bryan29556: and nothing shows up? [04:07] <linlin> ok ive added a new hard drive, it is on the first channel as slave. how do i make it useable now ? [04:07] <Bryan29556> nope [04:07] <strykewulf> is there a way in apache to see the statistics of the website it is hosting [04:07] <reka> Bryan29556: check sys > prefs > removable drve > multimedia tab [04:07] <reka> enable importr when connected [04:07] <reka> *import [04:08] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: heh - ugly way would be to disable all the other sources, apt-get update and run dpkg -l | less [04:08] <nickrud> thoreauputic, you really can get repos from synaptic ...., oh never mind :) [04:08] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: but that's brain damaged ;) [04:09] <abarbaccia> hey all - how do i grant a user access to the cdrom drives via the shell? [04:09] <thoreauputic> nickrud: i think Razor-X has a philosophical objection to GUIs ;) [04:09] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I've noticed [04:09] <thoreauputic> nickrud: :) [04:09] <bddebian> Heh [04:10] <grigora> reka: I got Universe added and was able to install xfonts* packages, how do I now tell my system to use it? TIA [04:10] <bddebian> abarbaccia: adduser <user> cdrom ? [04:10] <black13> nomasteryoda so the genesis of the problem is that /usr is readonly and the tinyurl.com soluction is to create a symbolic link [04:11] <bingobango> grigora: how do you add universe? [04:11] <Chadwill> how can i use ctrl+c or v in terminal? now im using mouse to copy and paste [04:11] <bddebian> Chadwill: Right click [04:11] <bddebian> to paste [04:11] <Chadwill> i know [04:11] <bingobango> when i go to Settings->Repos, it lists a lot of hoary stuff, but no "universe" [04:11] <Chadwill> can it not be done with ctrl? [04:12] <bddebian> Chadwill: Not in a termina afaik [04:12] <bddebian> +l [04:12] <Chadwill> ok [04:12] <grigora> bingobango: from the synaptic package manager -> Settings -> Repositories [04:12] <gpd> Chadwill: in gnome terminal use shift-ctr-c [04:12] <abarbaccia> i got it - thanks tho bddebian [04:12] <nickrud> Chadwill, just selecting the text, then pressing the middle mouse button works more often than not [04:12] <reka> grigora: good questio [04:12] <bddebian> abarbaccia: ?? [04:12] <grigora> bingobango: then you click on Add [04:12] <lJlolel> say i wanted to develop some java, what app would i use? [04:12] <bingobango> grigora : aha! thx mucho! [04:13] <abarbaccia> bddebian, i kinda got it through the gui [04:13] <reka> grigora: i'm not sure exactly....i've never had the need to install another language's fonts. sorry. [04:13] <Bryan29556> ok, checked that, it sees to be in the default format [04:13] <bddebian> abarbaccia: Ahh :-) [04:13] <reka> grigora: but i'd assume they'd be installed/set-up for you automatically if you installed via apt-get/synaptic [04:13] <thoreauputic> !javatrap [04:13] <ubotu> javatrap is probably http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html [04:14] <thoreauputic> couldn't resist... [04:14] <skalpel> can someone tell me what this error means inside of archive manager? tar: .: Cannot utime: Operation not permitted [04:14] <skalpel> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors [04:14] <nickrud> a little philosophy never hurts anyone [04:15] <bddebian> Free or not Java sucks :-) [04:15] <Will_> I have to learn java at uni. It still sucks [04:15] <nickrud> skalpel, are you trying to extract to a directory you don't have write permission to? [04:15] <linlin> ok ive added a new hard drive, it is on the first channel as slave. how do i make it useable now ? [04:16] <skalpel> nickrud: possibly. i downloaded a .gzip file and when i tried to extract it the folder inside is named '.' [04:16] <DekaPink> Is there a font for ubuntu logo? :3 [04:16] <bddebian> linlin: fdisk /dev/hdb ? [04:16] <reka> linlin: i'm not sure of the exact process, but you probably have to make the filesystem and then mount it [04:16] <linlin> okie [04:16] <skalpel> how do i run a shell script? [04:17] <linlin> ./script [04:17] <reka> in the current dir [04:17] <bddebian> skalpel: Depends on where you are running it from [04:17] <Bryan29556> still no luck downloading these digital movies [04:17] <gpd> skalpel: sh script is safer [04:17] <reka> Bryan29556: you enabled auto-import? [04:17] <lJlolel> is eclpise good? [04:17] <thoreauputic> skalpel: linlin's command works if the script is executable ; if not use chmod +x to make it so before running it [04:18] <gpd> skalpel: ./script requires +x [04:18] <linlin> i have compltly removed my hard drive from my system and its still running... [04:18] <thoreauputic> gpd right [04:18] <reka> linlin: wow, free energy [04:19] <Will_> free HDD space! [04:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> I got my SCSI drives recognized on my new server. I'm at the partitioning step. How do I get the installer to use the 3 drives with RAID? [04:19] <grigora> bingobango: welcome [04:19] <Bryan29556> yep auto-import enabled [04:19] <bddebian> FlyingSquirrel32: You need to use LVM [04:20] <reka> Bryan29556: what camera? try searching the forums for topics [04:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> bddebian: is that on the ubuntu cd? [04:20] <thoreauputic> time to sign off - good hunting to all ... [04:20] <reka> later [04:20] <bddebian> FlyingSquirrel32: To be honest, I don't know, sorry. I always use hardware RAID if using RAID at all [04:20] <bddebian> Later thorea... grr [04:21] <pengo> how do i run sshd? [04:21] <pengo> or install it [04:21] <bddebian> pengo: If you apt-get install ssh, it will bring in sshd [04:21] <pengo> thanks [04:22] <gpd> pengo apt-get install openssh-server [04:22] <Bryan29556> lookin in the wiki with no luck, doing a google now [04:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> bddebian: I'm using an old compaq proliant. Its the first time Ive worked hands on with RAID and/or SCSI. How can I be sure the computer doen't provide hardware RAID? [04:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> bddebian: I know the drives are hot-swappable-- ought to be RAID too, no? [04:23] <PurpleMotion> i hate loading windows [04:23] <gpd> PurpleMotion: what is left on windows partition that yuou need? [04:23] <pengo> will moving my /cdrom drive hurt? [04:23] <gpd> pengo: you mean the mount point or the physical drive? [04:24] <pengo> mv /cdrom /cdrom2 [04:24] <PurpleMotion> gpd: not on the windows partition, in windows itself :-\ it's a program called macromedia fireworks mx that absolutely refuses to run in wine :(( [04:24] <PurpleMotion> were it not for that, i would have deleted windows long ago [04:24] <gpd> pengo: you will need to edit /etc/fstab to reflect the update [04:24] <transgress> PurpleMotion: that's a bit much of something to try and run in wine... crossover office can handle it though [04:25] <PurpleMotion> transgress: it most certainly can not. [04:25] <PurpleMotion> I bought cxoffice in hope of that very thing [04:25] <pengo> gpd, ah /cdrom was just a symbolic link anyway.. cool [04:25] <pengo> now /cdrom points to a loopback of ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso :) [04:25] <transgress> PurpleMotion: well i know crossover handles flash and photoshop, might take some tweaking... iuno... i don't run windows shit [04:25] <PurpleMotion> and cxoffice is nothing more than a wrapper for wine, so how's it a bit much? heh [04:25] <PurpleMotion> yeah, fireworks does not run at all in wine [04:26] <PurpleMotion> or cxoffice, trust me ive tried [04:26] <PurpleMotion> been thinking cedega might be able to do it though.. but i dont think fireworks relies on directshow or directdraw [04:26] <PurpleMotion> *shrug* [04:26] <Nomad_1> Would anyone know how to access the MBR using WinXP Pro x64? (Weird question to be asking here I know but ... <spreads arms>) [04:26] <PurpleMotion> I can always just boot up windows via vmware :D [04:26] <Razor-X> mmmm, Ubuntu is sexy [04:26] <Razor-X> errr, not Ubuntu [04:27] <Razor-X> Enlightenment [04:27] <socomm> Ubuntu is asexual. [04:27] <transgress> Razor-X: what version? [04:27] <Razor-X> transgress: DR17 [04:27] <kaffeend> Razor_X can I have that link to the wiki page that deals with screen refresh rates again please? [04:27] <socomm> E17 is not a very practial WM. [04:27] <Razor-X> !tell kaffeend about resolution [04:28] <Razor-X> socomm: so? [04:28] <Razor-X> and Gnome is? ;) [04:28] <kaffeend> huh? [04:28] <benplaut> hello everyone :) [04:28] <nickrud> hm, asexual, I don't think :) [04:28] <socomm> Razor-X: GNOM is a Desktop Environment. [04:28] <socomm> s/GNOM/GNOME/ [04:28] <Chadwill> howdo i find out what PID xmms player has? [04:28] <Razor-X> socomm: as Enlightenment is considered [04:28] <kaffeend> all I get is the 60hz option [04:28] <PurpleMotion> I'm going to reinstall windows though... make it /dev/hda2 instead of /dev/hda1, then resize /home (/dev/hda4) to eat about 25g of the 40 that's currently assigned to windows [04:28] <Razor-X> Chadwill: pgrep xmms [04:29] <Kyral> and I' [04:29] <nickrud> Chadwill, pgrep [04:29] <Kyral> damn XCHAT!! [04:29] <socomm> Razor-X: I would consider it a WM. [04:29] <Razor-X> socomm: why?- [04:29] <Razor-X> s/-// [04:29] <gpd> PurpleMotion: are you a profesional graphic designer? [04:29] <Will_> ps aux | grep xmms [04:29] <shane> hey guys [04:29] <PurpleMotion> i do my share [04:29] <socomm> http://www.modarchive.com/artists/pm/ [04:29] <gpd> PurpleMotion: is fireworks 'the dogs'? [04:29] <socomm> Kick ass composer. [04:29] <PurpleMotion> oh yeah [04:30] <gpd> PurpleMotion: and will adobe merger kill it? [04:30] <PurpleMotion> it's the best vector based graphics editor in existance [04:30] <PurpleMotion> probably [04:30] <jakestah> How do I create a fodler from the terminal? [04:30] <Kyral> jakestah, mkdir [04:30] <shane> can you run enlightenment on ubuntu? [04:30] <Razor-X> shane: yes [04:30] <gpd> PurpleMotion: yeah, i wonder how long before inkscape et al catch up :( [04:30] <jakestah> Thank you [04:30] <crimsun> sure. sudo aptitude install enlightenment [04:30] <parabolize> socomm, it has a dm, file manager, bar, wm, audio and video player and lots more. its a DE not a WM [04:30] <Razor-X> crimsun: you have to add repos though [04:30] <Razor-X> and it's not as simple as that [04:30] <PurpleMotion> i _just_ looked at inkscape with very high hopes, too [04:31] <nickrud> shane, there are debs you can get for 17 [04:31] <Razor-X> for DR17, I mean [04:31] <Razor-X> for DR16 it's simple [04:31] <shane> Razor-X, is it easy to install, iam a totall n00b [04:31] <PurpleMotion> it shows promise in another 20 or so revisions but as it stands it's shite compared to fireworks [04:31] <Razor-X> shane: there's a howto on the Ubuntu forums [04:31] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: I think Corel might have some issues with that statement. [04:31] <shane> Razor-X, thanks [04:31] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: the lack of a layer/object pallet is somehwat disturbing (in inkscape) [04:31] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: and corel can stuff them :) fireworks blows coreldraw out of the water [04:31] <gpd> PurpleMotion: did you try the latest version? [04:31] <Razor-X> I just found that my water valve can let me breath under water ;) [04:32] <PurpleMotion> gpd: yeah [04:32] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: I must have missed a fireworks release then <heh> ;-) [04:32] <PurpleMotion> just installed it [04:32] <benplaut> there are a few nice touches i like about corel [04:32] <gpd> PurpleMotion: 0.42 not 0.40 (in repository) [04:32] <PurpleMotion> oh [04:32] <benplaut> first of all, the way docking panels works in v10+ is execptional, even zooming works around them [04:32] <PurpleMotion> no [04:33] <PurpleMotion> but how much can there be in .2? [04:33] <benplaut> alot [04:33] <socomm> parabolize: Well I don't see E being called a DE anywhere on their site. [04:33] <benplaut> that's two releases later ;) [04:33] <gpd> PurpleMotion: there was a story on /. about how much had changed [04:33] <gpd> PurpleMotion: despite the tiny number increment... [04:33] <socomm> I do see WM and `desktop shell' mentioned, but not DE. [04:33] <PurpleMotion> I'll give it a look-see, but fromw hat i saw of 0.40, im not holding my breath [04:33] <Razor-X> socomm: many people consider it such [04:33] <benplaut> second of all, the multi-tool is much more intuative than any other graphics program i've tried (and i've tried several) [04:34] <kaffeend> Okay, about screen refresh rates - I am a n00b with all this. I just installed Ubuntu yesterday after reading about it yesterday. Pages and pages of what I believe is code or whatever doesn't really tell me anything about changing my refresh rate... I don't understand all this stuff, all I want is to click a drop down menu and choose a refresh rate of, say 85 hz... Does this exist in gnome? [04:34] <PurpleMotion> I'm adept in fireworks, and very very fast at it [04:34] <benplaut> kaffeend: not with a GUI... [04:34] <gpd> PurpleMotion: no, but you could give them some feedback which might help -- seems to be rapidly developing atm [04:34] <kaffeend> benplaut really? [04:34] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: WINE'd version MX? [04:34] <PurpleMotion> kaffeend: dunno about gnome, but kde has a program called krandrtray that doe sit [04:34] <shane> i have about 1000 mp3s that i just added to my xmms and its not responding and it wont close any ideas? [04:35] <Will_> Give it a minute [04:35] <kaffeend> wow - no wonder windows is so popular with the dummies like me :/ [04:35] <nickrud> kaffeend, you can try system-preferences-screen resolution: if that doesn't work, you need to tweek your xorg.conf [04:35] <benplaut> kaffeend: to reconfigure your xserver (it gives you some option on that), type "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" [04:35] <Razor-X> wow, DR17 is real nice [04:35] <PurpleMotion> benplaut: tried. even bought cxoffice in hopes, no luck.. flash and dreamweaver work flawlessly - albiet a little slow - but fireworks just harfs and dies [04:35] <kaffeend> benplaut - type where? [04:35] <socomm> Razor-X: It does look nice. [04:36] <bimberi> kaffeend: It's is supposed to work via System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution but unfortunately it doesn't seem to get set up properly [04:36] <uber_newber> can sum1 tell me what i need to do to install windows 98 se? im currecntly running ubuntu on my laptop which is a toshiba tecra 8000 intel 2 processor. i have the download at this site > http://seraphimhacks.sytes.net/98se.htm i gotta friend to post it for me [04:36] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: hmm... works for me [04:36] <benplaut> kaffeend: into a terminal [04:36] <PurpleMotion> benplaut: what does? fireworks? [04:36] <benplaut> yup [04:36] <benplaut> MX, not MX 2004 [04:36] <PurpleMotion> try to open something [04:36] <DekaPink> I believe I'm starting to like Gimp. :3 [04:36] <benplaut> oh [04:37] <bddebian> uber_newber: You are kidding right? [04:37] <PurpleMotion> try to do something [04:37] <PurpleMotion> if it works, ill delete windows altogether [04:37] <shane> i have battlefield 2 and i just killed my windows beucase i was so fusterated with it and now i have no way to play it...i was thinking about running wine but iam sure its a memory hog would that work? [04:37] <Snufj> gimp iz nice [04:37] <PurpleMotion> it was the ONLY thing holding me back [04:37] <felesh> someone use modconf in ubuntu? i am searching in apt but modconf dont appear [04:37] <nickrud> bimberi, it's supposed to use what X reports; if it doesn't have the proper monitor options, it's an xorg.conf thing [04:37] <socomm> uber_newber: You need to call up MS tech support for that. [04:38] <nickrud> s/it/screen resolution/ [04:38] <bimberi> nickrud: k - thought so - cheers! [04:38] <uber_newber> bddebain: no, cuz its just about impossible to install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter on ubuntu, so i know it will b much easier on windows. nothing against linux, its just that im a newb and dont know how to use it [04:38] <socomm> uber_newber: If you boot into MS-Windows installer I'm sure you could figure it out from there. [04:39] <Will_> uber_newber: perhaps asking in a linux channel is the wrong way to go [04:39] <Razor-X> but it's annoying that you auto-change desktop by moving the mouse to the right of the screen [04:39] <uber_newber> socom: how do i do that? [04:39] <shammy> when I try to open synaptic, notthing happens, when i try to run it from the terminal, gtk tells me the interface cannot be opened, it worked an hour ago.. what happened? [04:39] <kaffeend> benplaut I typed that into the terminal and it came back with: dpkg: need an action option [04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*] ; [04:39] <kaffeend> Use dselect for user-friendly package management; [04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; [04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; [04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; [04:39] <kaffeend> Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*] . [04:39] <socomm> Ummm, place the cd in the cd tray close the cd tray and reboot. [04:40] <kaffeend> I don't know what any of that means [04:40] <Razor-X> should I just go back to KDE? *wonders [04:40] <benplaut> !xserver [04:40] <ubotu> it has been said that xserver is or !xwindows [04:40] <HrdwrBoB> ugh KDE [04:40] <benplaut> !xorg [04:40] <ubotu> benplaut: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [04:41] <socomm> Razor-X: Just hop around til you find something you like. [04:41] <benplaut> !xserver-xorg [04:41] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack? [04:41] <benplaut> no, i'm not [04:41] <Razor-X> socomm: E is real nice, eyecandy wise [04:41] <f_newton> ubotu what do you know about crack? [04:41] <ubotu> f_newton: No idea [04:41] <Razor-X> but, usability... eh [04:41] <f_newton> exactly [04:41] <Razor-X> still like it better than Gnome ;) [04:41] <socomm> Razor-X: Try Fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, etc .... [04:41] <shad0w1e> question: How do I do a diskcheck? [04:41] <PurpleMotion> kaffeend: want my advice? being new, you should install kde... kde is a lot more feature rich than gnome, and has a lot more of what you would expect to find from a desktop.. ubuntu includes kde, you need only open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [04:41] <bimberi> kaffeend: dpkg-reconfigure (add a hyphen) [04:41] <shad0w1e> xfce is also an amazing GUI [04:41] <socomm> shad0w1e: `man fsck' [04:41] <bddebian> shad0w1e: fsck [04:42] <shad0w1e> thanks [04:42] <nomasteryoda|w> gpd, what was that URL again.. on the laptop now [04:42] <nomasteryoda|w> in ubuntu [04:42] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, you and I disagree there thats for sure [04:42] <WebMaven> Well, I figured out my sound problems. [04:42] <kaffeend> PurpleMotion thanks [04:42] <socomm> Razor-X: Fluxbox is my personal favourite. [04:42] <WebMaven> basically, I'm fucked. [04:42] <nomasteryoda|w> ouch [04:42] <Razor-X> do I have to add an entry into my xsessions for xfce? [04:42] <gpd> nomasteryoda|w: i pm'd you :) [04:42] <PurpleMotion> for people new to linux, kde is 10x more user-friendly than gnome [04:42] <Razor-X> socomm: I don't like the look of it on my 486 there [04:42] <Razor-X> but, it may look better [04:42] <PurpleMotion> i dont know how anybody could dispute that [04:42] <kaffeend> bimberi where do I add the hyphen? at the end? [04:42] <shad0w1e> okay it just did a diskcheck in like half a second.... [04:42] <f_newton> gnome is cleaner, easier to navigate, a lot more stable then kde ever was, less memory hoggish, and just better looking [04:43] <shad0w1e> kde is better looking [04:43] <Razor-X> f_newton: actually, I think KDE is more stable [04:43] <nickrud> PurpleMotion, for some people, I can't, and wont [04:43] <shad0w1e> its true though that gnome is more stable [04:43] <f_newton> lol y'all think what ya want [04:43] <bimberi> kaffeend: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (ie. in between dpkg and reconfigure) [04:43] <Razor-X> you too, f_newton ;) [04:43] <f_newton> Ive used both for years [04:43] <gpd> all desktop managers blow... osx and winxp included... meh [04:43] <WebMaven> here are two other people with the same/similar problems: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53238&highlight=cmi9739 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22788.html [04:43] <kaffeend> bimberi thanks [04:43] <Razor-X> gpd: yeah, twin's the way to go! ;) [04:43] <shad0w1e> ok fsck isnt checking my disk... [04:43] <bimberi> kaffeend: yw :) [04:44] <nomasteryoda|w> gpd, nah...flux is the cooleset [04:44] <f_newton> its all a matter of choice [04:44] <PurpleMotion> ill concede that they all have their disadvantages, and many of them are common, but i wouldn't say any of them are completely without merit [04:44] <gpd> I use OSX at work and have ubuntu desktop / Winxp laptop side by side... each has it's annoyances [04:44] <WebMaven> and here is an actual bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125437 [04:44] <f_newton> but for simplicity, ease of use, clean gui usage I vote gnome [04:44] <WebMaven> hello reka. [04:45] <gpd> it infuriates me how these developers cannot seem to get the most obvious usabilty stuff in there... [04:45] <reka> WebMaven: hello again. any luck? [04:45] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: yeah... it's pretty messed up :P [04:45] <nickrud> WebMaven, I'd second the advice about changing the control device for the mixer; I tried a few combos, and settled on OSS and PCM [04:45] <f_newton> for everything including the kitchen sink sloppy glitchy sparkly glarish useless redundantly arrogant krap I choose kde [04:45] <WebMaven> reka: I've found the answer. I'm fucked. [04:45] <gpd> xfce = try drag and drop an item from a menu to the panel--- no go! crazy [04:45] <shad0w1e> ah -f seemed to shut it up [04:45] <benplaut> !xfce [04:45] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack? [04:45] <benplaut> hmm [04:45] <benplaut> how do you add an entry? [04:45] <reka> WebMaven: lol. what font of knowledge gave that answer? [04:45] <benplaut> hey, cafuego [04:45] <PurpleMotion> benplaut: i'm gonna give it a shot.. i have cxoffice, so maybe it will wrap everything properly [04:45] <benplaut> yeah [04:45] <nickrud> benplaut, ubuto <x> is <y> [04:45] <benplaut> make sure it's MX, not MX 2004 [04:46] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, what version cxoffice? [04:46] <shad0w1e> xfce is the greatest bang for your buck [04:46] <benplaut> ahh [04:46] <nickrud> well close ;) [04:46] <shad0w1e> meanining nice desktop, good performance [04:46] <f_newton> xfce is supposedly good [04:46] <PurpleMotion> i dont know,a ctually.. ill check when i install it :D [04:46] <WebMaven> nickrud: that won't work. this %#^$#@ soundchip doesn't have PCM volume control. [04:46] <gpd> to add a menu item in xfce... browse to the binary in /usr/bin/firefox and find an icon!!! AYFKM! [04:46] <uber_newber> socom: when i burn the windows 98 se cd at the site i showed earlier, do i gotta burn it in any special form or anything? orjust simply burn it to a cd? [04:46] <shad0w1e> uber_newber, it wont boot then [04:46] <WebMaven> reka: here are two other people with the same/similar problems: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53238&highlight=cmi9739 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22788.html [04:46] <nickrud> WebMaven, then, you have a more screwed chip than mine ;) [04:46] <f_newton> uber_newber, make sure you also burn the hidden files [04:46] <shad0w1e> but it will work... [04:46] <WebMaven> reka: and here is an actual bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125437 [04:47] <uber_newber> g2g all [04:47] <reka> redhat bug? [04:47] <shad0w1e> ok guys I got a little situation [04:47] <shad0w1e> when I boot off this linux drive [04:47] <benplaut> ubotu <xfce> is <A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [04:47] <ubotu> benplaut: okay [04:47] <benplaut> !xfce [04:47] <ubotu> Wish i knew, benplaut [04:47] <nickrud> WebMaven, if you can, just buy a card that supports hardware sound mixing (multiopen in alsa terminology) [04:47] <shad0w1e> during boot Isee a million errors and then it just halts [04:47] <jupiter> hi every1 [04:47] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, I use cxoffice 4.2.2 pro and it works really well for kme [04:47] <benplaut> ubotu <!xfce> is <A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [04:47] <ubotu> okay, benplaut [04:47] <f_newton> uh gme [04:47] <benplaut> !xfce [04:47] <f_newton> no k here [04:47] <f_newton> lol [04:47] <shad0w1e> where is the boot log file stored? [04:47] <benplaut> xfce [04:47] <WebMaven> reka: it's the exact same problem with my chip and Gnome. [04:47] <reka> benplaut: without the '<'s :) [04:47] <benplaut> ahh [04:47] <nickrud> !<xfce> [04:47] <ubotu> methinks <xfce> is <A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [04:48] <nickrud> rofl [04:48] <benplaut> ubotu !xfce is A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [04:48] <ubotu> benplaut: okay [04:48] <nickrud> no offence, benplaut [04:48] <WebMaven> nickrud: I wasn't planning on buying a card at all. [04:48] <reka> ubotu: forget <xfce> [04:48] <ubotu> reka: i forgot <xfce> [04:48] <benplaut> !xfce [04:48] <ubotu> benplaut: Wish i knew [04:48] <nickrud> WebMaven, I am [04:48] <benplaut> arg [04:48] <shad0w1e> hello where can I find a log of the bootup??? [04:48] <reka> !!xfce [04:48] <ubotu> [!xfce] A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [04:48] <nickrud> benplaut, no ! [04:48] <reka> :) [04:48] <bddebian> shad0w1e: dmesg [04:48] <benplaut> ubotu xfce A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [04:48] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, benplaut [04:48] <benplaut> ubotuy forget !xfce [04:48] <benplaut> ubotu forget !xfce [04:48] <Razor-X> ewww! [04:48] <ubotu> benplaut: i forgot !xfce [04:49] <reka> lol [04:49] <Razor-X> my xfce is totally screwey [04:49] <shad0w1e> bddebian, the drive wouldnt boot, I put the drive into another machine and mounted it.... [04:49] <Razor-X> I should've done xfce4 ;) [04:49] <benplaut> ubotu xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [04:49] <ubotu> okay, benplaut [04:49] <bimberi> so is ubotu's [04:49] <nickrud> ubotu xfce is A lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [04:49] <ubotu> ...but xfce is already something else... [04:49] <benplaut> !xfce [04:49] <ubotu> it has been said that xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/ [04:49] <nickrud> gar [04:49] <benplaut> thank you! [04:49] <f_newton> ya'll shouldnt play with the bot like that [04:49] <f_newton> its gonna go nutzo n fry us all [04:49] <benplaut> it's quit a task to add an item properly :( [04:49] <bddebian> shad0w1e: Ahh, look in /var/log/ farg, I can't think right now.. :-( [04:49] <benplaut> it has that power? [04:49] <nickrud> only the first time, especially with an audience :) [04:50] <whitefang> ubotu define your stupidity [04:50] <ubotu> whitefang: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [04:50] <shad0w1e> bddebian, thanks [04:50] <whitefang> ubuntu, yes [04:50] <f_newton> eggdrops can crack shells [04:50] <f_newton> lol [04:50] <PurpleMotion> it's 4.1 [04:50] <brukental37> I have a small problem with ubuntu. After installing from CD, I get grub hard disk error. It hasn't even installed the apt-get packages, just after reboot, grub hard disk error [04:50] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, That version has some glitches [04:50] <brukental37> anybody know what it could be causing this? [04:50] <PurpleMotion> what's newer? [04:51] <nomasteryoda|w> gpd, have you asked on #java? [04:51] <adkinsj> ubotu what is the meaning of life? [04:51] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, adkinsj [04:51] <nomasteryoda|w> just for kicks [04:51] <f_newton> 4.2.2 [04:51] <cafuego> brukental37: A broken harddisk might, or a broken grub setup. [04:51] <cafuego> Please go to #debian-bots if you need to play with ubotu. [04:51] <gpd> nomasteryoda|w: no, good idea - I submitted a bug out of frustration ;) [04:52] <reka> or /msg ubotu <blah> [04:52] <Razor-X> should I tell my Xsessions to start xfce or xfce4 ? [04:52] <brukental37> cafuego: I have no problem when I install gentoo or debian or suse on that same hard disk, grub and lilo both load just fine [04:52] <cafuego> brukental37: Did you try an advanced install and make it use LILO instead? [04:52] <grigora> [04:52] <brukental37> cafuego: it is only ubuntu that is acting up. Used the same CD to install on a desktop (error is on a laptop) and no problem loading grub, system running perfectly [04:52] <shane> would anyone know how to boot into enlightenment after its been installed? [04:53] <shad0w1e> ok after about 5 seconds into booting, a million errors roll by my screen. the system wont boot and it used to. I put the drive into a nother machine and mounted it there. is there any way I can "look into the problem from here?" [04:53] <reka> grigora: nice. you got it working? [04:53] <benplaut> !add [04:53] <ubotu> from memory, add is To add an item to me, type "ubotu <keyword> is <description description description>", without the carrots [04:53] <benplaut> well done, ubotu! [04:53] <nickrud> lol [04:53] <WebMaven> ok, I'm going to try and figure this out one last way. [04:53] <gpd> err stupid question ... how do i join #java - it says i need to be identified? [04:53] <benplaut> that'll save some people alot of trouble (like me) [04:53] <reka> carrots? [04:53] <brukental37> cafuego: thanks for the idea, I will try to use lilo and see if it work [04:53] <grigora> reka: not really, I was just testing GAIM, but OO doesn't displays the chars correctly [04:53] <cafuego> !add =~ s|"ubotu|"/msg ubotu| [04:53] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, cafuego [04:53] <nickrud> benplaut, carets ;) [04:53] <bddebian> gpd: You need to register your nick [04:54] <cafuego> retarded perl heap [04:54] <Chadwill> um..no shockwave plugin on linux? [04:54] <WebMaven> apparently there is a way to define a software volume control [04:54] <gpd> bddebian: thanks i'm in [04:54] <Chadwill> cant find any shockwave player/plugins for linux [04:55] <catolh> Chadwill, http://www.ubuntuguide.org [04:55] <WebMaven> anyone have any idea on how to do that? the instructions at the end of this page aren't very clear: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html [04:55] <cafuego> Chadwill: They're in 'restricted' or 'universe' [04:55] <cafuego> Chadwill: And only for ia32. [04:55] <nickrud> gpd, /msg nickserv help [04:55] <crimsun> WebMaven: just make a softvol definition [04:55] <brukental37> shad0w1e: is there another drive in the machine beside that? Make sure drive hasn't changed from Master to slave or the other way arround. Lets say your system is configured to boot /dev/hda1 and your linux will be /hda1/linuz.gz... if it looks into /dev/hdb or /hdb1/boot/linux.gz it will not find your kernel [04:55] <cafuego> nickrud: gpd is already registered [04:56] <adkinsj> REGISTER [04:56] <cafuego> EROR [04:56] <shad0w1e> brukental37, no changes. one day the comp stopped booting [04:56] <nickrud> cafuego, I once new how to see that (for myself), a reminder? [04:56] <shad0w1e> so I took the drive out and put it into another machine [04:56] <WebMaven> crimsun, how do I do that? [04:56] <cafuego> nickrud: /quote capab identify-msg [04:56] <nickrud> cafuego, ty [04:56] <shad0w1e> during boot there are a million errors. I can only see the later ones but its got something to do with spawning processes [04:56] <crimsun> WebMaven: follow the template on that page. [04:57] <cafuego> nickrud: See also 'format-identify.pl' for irssi :-) [04:57] <nickrud> heh [04:57] <WebMaven> none of it makes any sense to me. [04:57] <nickrud> I'm not Razor-X ;P [04:57] <crimsun> WebMaven: it should be pretty straightforward [04:57] <brukental37> shad0w1e: ehhhh... try fsck, do you remeber your filesystem type? is it a journaling filesystem? [04:57] <cafuego> Razor-X uses BitchX, so no. [04:57] <Chadwill> so flashplayer and shockwave are the same? [04:58] <benplaut> yup [04:58] <shad0w1e> brukental37, its EXT3 [04:58] <shad0w1e> I ran it with -f and it seemed to find no errors [04:58] <cafuego> Chadwill: No, they're not really, but for the web it'll do. [04:58] <crimsun> WebMaven: you need to create an ~/.asoundrc [04:58] <brukental37> shad0w1e: best recmoendation for you... get knoppix, boot from the CD and mount your hard drive. make sure you take a good look in /etc/fstab and make sure there are no anomalies... [04:58] <crimsun> WebMaven: in that file, make a pcm.something definition like you see in that softvol template [04:59] <shad0w1e> brukental37, I al booted into MEPIS [04:59] <WebMaven> crimsun: I'm not sure how to read the notation. I gather that some of it needs to be replaced with values from my machine, and other stuff is optional, but I'm only guessing what's what. [04:59] <shad0w1e> with the problem drive as a secondary.... [04:59] <Chadwill> ah..but i go iux course..and flash is installed..but the course java aplet needs shockwave [04:59] <crimsun> WebMaven: yep, that's essentially what you do. [04:59] <brukental37> shad0w1e: you did not see any problems? Look in your boot logs after you mount the drive [05:00] <WebMaven> crimsun: so, which is which in the template? [05:00] <shad0w1e> brukental37, where are they stored? [05:00] <whitefang> how do i open a self-extracting .bin file? [05:00] <shad0w1e> whitefang, ./name.bin [05:00] <shad0w1e> or first [05:00] <brukental37> shad0w1e: after you mount the drive with MEPTS look in /var/log/messages, DMESG has to output to somehwere forgot where.. anybody else in channel know? [05:00] <shad0w1e> chmod +x whatever.bin [05:01] <brukental37> anybody know what file DMESG messages go to? [05:01] <crimsun> WebMaven: what do you mean? [05:01] <nickrud> brukental37, /var/log/dmesg? [05:01] <crimsun> WebMaven: keep in mind hw:0,0 [05:01] <canibal> alguno que hable espaol? [05:01] <shad0w1e> it only gets to like the third thing in boot and then it conks [05:01] <reka> !es [05:02] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. [05:02] <WebMaven> I mean, is 'slave STR' a variable name that needs replacing, and if so with what? [05:02] <DekaPink> Yay... I made an Ubuntu splash image for gimp. xD [05:02] <canibal> alguien que hable espaol? [05:02] <benplaut> canibal: #ubuntu-es [05:02] <brukental37> nope no such file [05:03] <brukental37> shadow, you still here? [05:03] <crimsun> WebMaven: I just told you hw:0,0 [05:03] <nickrud> brukental37, I looked first (I sometimes remember) and it exists here [05:03] <brukental37> you have it in /var/log/dmesg? what distro.. hehehe I want it.. [05:03] <WebMaven> OK, so the line needs to read 'slave hw:0,0' ? [05:03] <nickrud> lol, no ? [05:04] <brukental37> I dont have it on my system [05:04] <brukental37> using suse 9.0 on the machine I checked [05:04] <bddebian> I thought it was /var/log/klog or some such? [05:04] <shad0w1e> ok thanks guys.... [05:04] <crimsun> WebMaven: in quotes [05:04] <PurpleMotion> oh my god it works [05:04] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: :) [05:05] <nickrud> bddebian, you probably are thinking of /var/log/kern.log [05:05] <brukental37> oh, on suse it /var/log/boot.msg [05:05] <PurpleMotion> okay, i go play now [05:05] <benplaut> bubye :P [05:05] <brukental37> so shadow, look for something where your DMESG will get outputed to [05:05] <bddebian> nickrud: Well on GNU/Hurd we have /dev/klog ;-P [05:05] <nickrud> bddebian, oh, a real gnuer you? [05:06] <bddebian> nickrud: Something like that :-) [05:06] <WebMaven> crimsun: so the entire file should only read: [05:06] <WebMaven> pcm.name { [05:06] <WebMaven> type softvol [05:06] <WebMaven> slave 'hw:0,0' [05:06] <WebMaven> } [05:06] <Mobius> anyone here do anything with the edubuntu project? [05:06] <nickrud> too much work [05:06] <brukental37> shad0w1e: look for the file where DMESG messages get written and edit that to see the error messages. [05:06] <crimsun> WebMaven: no, you need a control subportion, too [05:06] <DekaPink> http://www.mts.net/~dw/gimp-splash.png <3 [05:06] <crimsun> WebMaven: read the page carefully [05:07] <brukental37> shad0w1e: aparently its different for every distro probably [05:07] <Mobius> anyone have any idea why the i810 driver fails to start gdm after a bios update? [05:07] <nickrud> shad0w1e, brukental37 yes, it can be. /var/log/dmesg on debian based systems I've tried [05:08] <brukental37> nickrud: thanks nick [05:08] <nickrud> brukental37, np, I suffered through suse for a month ;P [05:08] <WebMaven> crimsun: are the portions in square brackets optional? [05:08] <brukental37> hehe well off to try to install ubuntu on my laptop hopefully it will boot with lilo... grub fails on that laptop for some reason [05:08] <shad0w1e> hmm I keep getting this "no space left on device" error [05:09] <brukental37> nickrud: haha yeah debian based or debian is starting to look a lot more appealing [05:09] <crimsun> WebMaven: yes [05:09] <nickrud> brukental37 for what it's worth, I walked someone thru lilo who's grub install didn't work [05:09] <DekaPink> I wonder if it would be okay to post on gnome-look. :3 [05:09] <brukental37> nickrud: cool thanks.. see ya =) [05:10] <gpd> meh... #java has 119 nicks but deadly silence [05:10] <cafuego> they're not silent, they're just running a bit slow.. [05:10] <reka> heh [05:10] <gpd> they have all crashed with a fatal exception in class foo [05:10] <WebMaven> crimsun: so is this OK: [05:10] <WebMaven> pcm.name { [05:10] <WebMaven> type softvol [05:10] <WebMaven> slave 'hw:0,0' [05:10] <WebMaven> control { [05:10] <WebMaven> name 'hw:0,0' [05:10] <WebMaven> } [05:10] <WebMaven> } [05:11] <cafuego> shad0w1e: Hint: your disk is full. [05:11] <benplaut> !pastebin [05:12] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood [05:12] <shad0w1e> cafuego, is it possible Im getting that error even though its not? [05:12] <shad0w1e> ok I deleted 300MB [05:12] <shad0w1e> and ill try booting now [05:12] <cafuego> shad0w1e: Do you have subpartitions? Do you have a strange inode size? Do you have an odd partition format? [05:12] <shad0w1e> thanks [05:12] <shad0w1e> I dont think so [05:12] <shad0w1e> come to think of it it mightve acvtually been full.... [05:12] <gpd> too late, java is lacerated beyond repair [05:12] <shad0w1e> well ill try booting [05:12] <shad0w1e> thanks so much guys [05:12] <cafuego> shad0w1e: 'sudo apt-get autoclean' [05:12] <crimsun> WebMaven: don't paste in here. Use " instead of '. [05:12] <cafuego> shad0w1e: That will remove old packages from the disk cache. [05:12] <WebMaven> Ok. Other than that? [05:12] <shad0w1e> oh nice [05:12] <benplaut> webmaven: read vv [05:12] <benplaut> !pastebin [05:12] <ubotu> well, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood [05:13] <cafuego> shad0w1e: or 'sudo apt-get clean' to remoev the whole cache. [05:13] <shad0w1e> cafuego, thanks [05:13] <crimsun> WebMaven: please read alsa.opensrc.org if you have additional questions. [05:13] <shad0w1e> cya guys [05:13] <shad0w1e> im gonna give it a go [05:13] <benplaut> bubye [05:13] <benplaut> well [05:14] <nickrud> crimsun, what's the diff between that link and alsa-project.org? [05:14] <mohohaha> is ubuntu live cd linux? [05:14] <crimsun> nickrud: alsa-project.org is the official web site. alsa.opensrc.org is an unofficial users' wiki. [05:14] <nickrud> ah [05:14] <crimsun> mohohaha: there are live cds for each supported arch, yes. [05:15] <^thehatsrule^> mohohaha: depends on what cd, it can be yes [05:15] <nickrud> thanks [05:15] <gpd> ok, i found a forum post about my issue with pjirc and they suggest downgrading java to 1.4.2... [05:17] <mohohaha> so what's the difference between ubuntu and debian [05:17] <Xyc0> !debian [05:17] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, debian is The Rock upon which Ubuntu is founded; see http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9 [05:17] <DekaPink> Huh... I really don't know anything about licenses... Can I put a graphic on gnome-look under GPL if it uses a freeware font that I didn't create myself? :3 [05:18] <WebMaven> crimsun: no results for softvol [05:18] <nickrud> mohohaha, not much, yet, and hopefully not a lot in the future :) [05:18] <gpd> so again the choice of java1.4.2 rpm or tgz... ho hum... tgz this time [05:19] <mohohaha> is ubuntu better than debian [05:19] <nickrud> gpd, you want to use java-package (from multiverse) on a sun jre...bin file for java, if you didn [05:19] <nickrud> 't know that already [05:19] <bddebian> mohohaha: I suppose that depends on your definition [05:19] <bddebian> mohohaha: Ubuntu tends to lean more towards users and releases more often [05:19] <reka> asks he in an ubuntu channel :) [05:19] <gpd> nickrud: no I didn't know that... i'll give it a crack [05:19] <nickrud> !java [05:19] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [05:20] <mohohaha> does ubuntu use apt-get? [05:20] <nickrud> oh, !java has changed again [05:20] <benplaut> mohohaha: yup [05:20] <bddebian> mohohaha: Yes, and synaptic, and aptitude [05:21] <mohohaha> so it's debian with different name! [05:21] <Xyc0> mohohaha: neg [05:21] <gpd> nickrud: yeah, you see I need 1.4.2 so that is of no help... trying java-package now [05:21] <benplaut> with human interface improvements [05:21] <benplaut> mohohaha: debian for the desktop :) [05:21] <mohohaha> ubuntu for server? [05:21] <benplaut> not the best, IMHO [05:22] <benplaut> better to use debain for a server [05:22] <gpd> pah... ubuntu for a server team would disagree! [05:22] <mohohaha> ubuntu for desktop? [05:22] <nickrud> aptitude install java-package; get your preferred sun package; make-jpkg jre<tab>, dpkg -i sun<tab> [05:22] <nickrud> gpd, a quick guide [05:22] <benplaut> mohohaha: that's it's main use [05:22] <bddebian> mohohaha: He was saying that Ubuntu is Debian for the Desktop :-) [05:23] <Xyc0> not really [05:23] <Xyc0> I disagree [05:23] <benplaut> ? [05:23] <Xyc0> Ubuntu works great as a server [05:23] <gpd> nickrud: fakeroot make-jpkg jre<tab> it seems [05:23] <bimberi> Yay, finally found it - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship [05:24] <nickrud> gpd, thanks for the refresher ;P [05:24] <benplaut> Xyc0: but it's main goal is the desktop [05:24] <bimberi> ^^^ describes the debian/ubuntu relationship [05:24] <gpd> nickrud: no, thank you ;) [05:24] <mohohaha> yes [05:24] <mohohaha> what's their difference [05:25] <benplaut> not much [05:25] <Xyc0> One is more user friendly [05:25] <Xyc0> the other is more stable [05:25] <nickrud> not that simple [05:25] <benplaut> ubuntu is more bleading edge, while still being stable enough for anything not mission critical [05:25] <Xyc0> hence backports [05:25] <benplaut> !debain [05:25] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue [05:25] <benplaut> !debian [05:25] <ubotu> I guess debian is The Rock upon which Ubuntu is founded; see http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9 [05:25] <benplaut> not helpful [05:26] <reka> benplaut: a repost too. [05:26] <nickrud> benplaut, maybe change it to http://packages.debian.org/unstable/doc/debian-history [05:26] <benplaut> woops [05:26] <Xyc0> You should use debian for a bit, see the difference for yourself [05:26] <gpd> ubuntu is a debian fork with lots of money and enthusiasm and brown [05:26] <benplaut> ye [05:26] <benplaut> s [05:26] <bimberi> ubotu: debian_ubuntu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/ [05:26] <ubotu> bimberi: okay [05:26] <benplaut> and brown... [05:27] <transgress> half my shit didn't work in debian... made me sad... i used to be such a fan... [05:27] <reka> this is all rather interesting...i'm gonna try out debian when i have some time [05:27] <gpd> benplaut: yes, lots of brown (if you use gnome default theme) [05:27] <benplaut> i don't :P [05:27] <reka> ubuntu's been my 1st debian-based distro [05:27] <transgress> well i used to use debian before [05:27] <transgress> then i went to ubuntu [05:27] <gpd> holy crap on a stick pjirc works with java 1.4.2 !!! [05:27] <transgress> where i got my camera to work... for some reason it didn't want to connect to my digicam in debian [05:27] <mohohaha> there are other debian based distro? [05:28] <pax> cat /etc/debian_version you are still using debian :D [05:28] <gpd> reka: I bet you used Knoppix ;) [05:28] <bddebian> Knoppix is Debian based [05:28] <something_else> I am having wireless issues. What happens is my connection suddenly seems to drop. At first I thought it was perhaps servers I was downloading from. Then I began to check certain sites, even with apt-get the connection drops after every 5-10 minutes or so. However I am not certain this was an issue when I first installed as I never used this to download large files. I might add that this is an atheros chipset. [05:28] <transgress> mohohaha: mepis, lesbian, knoppix, xandros... [05:28] <reka> gpd: right you are......a really old version about 4 years ago. :) [05:28] <mohohaha> lesbian? [05:28] <transgress> lesbian linux is a joke distro [05:28] <transgress> but still a distro [05:29] <Xyc0> puppy linux rocks [05:29] <levander> Where are the system maintenance processes like updatedb configured in cron? I can't find them. [05:29] <something_else> I was told by someone that this may be something to do with ath_hal, however I cannot find anything on apt related to hal apart from the restricted modules [05:30] <nickrud> mohohaha, take a look at http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence, the derivatives od debian are shown there [05:30] <something_else> So I went about reinstalling the restricted modules, however the problem remains [05:30] <reka> levander: 'man cron' perhaps? [05:30] <bimberi> levander: updatedb is in /etc/cron.daily/slocate [05:31] <nickrud> levander, they're controlled by anacrontab, see /etc/anacrontab [05:31] <mohohaha> holy cow [05:31] <mohohaha> so many debian based [05:31] <jasoncohen> something_else, the madwifi module is ath_pci. are you sure the problem isn't with your AP? i had an issue with my AP where it would drop routinely unless i restarted the router. I saw this in linux & windows [05:31] <gpd> and lots based on knoppix, which is based on debian... [05:31] <reka> mohohaha: now you can ask their channels why *they're* better than debian :) [05:32] <nickrud> rofl [05:32] <something_else> jasoncohen, I am certain its not the access point, as I dual boot [05:32] <george__> Hi, can ubuntu work with RAR? [05:32] <reka> george__: as in rar archives? [05:32] <HrdwrBoB> yes [05:32] <george__> GOOD [05:32] <mohohaha> lol george__ [05:32] <jasoncohen> george__, yeah- check our unrar [05:32] <george__> WINDOWS SUCKS! [05:33] <mohohaha> lol [05:33] <gpd> I AGREE! [05:33] <george__> ...Jason, i am 2 frustrated with darn linux [05:33] <george__> see [05:33] <mohohaha> YAH WE ALL HATE WINDOWS [05:33] <george__> i am getting my words wrong [05:33] <gpd> go buy a MAC and install OSX... ;) [05:33] <george__> windows put so much protection [05:33] <george__> I AM 13 [05:33] <george__> I JUST BOUGHT NEW COMPUTER [05:33] <gpd> figures [05:33] <mohohaha> who give you money [05:33] <george__> NO ONE [05:33] <jasoncohen> windows put so much protection? is that even english? [05:33] <mohohaha> did you steal money [05:33] <george__> no [05:34] <george__> yes it is [05:34] <mohohaha> so where you get money to buy new computer [05:34] <nate_> what command does linux use to check password complexity? [05:34] <george__> Window validation crap here, windows update bs there [05:34] <jasoncohen> you're using english words but that's not a coherent sentence, heh [05:34] <shad0w1e> question: Im getting a million errors during boot and I cant see the first error because it scrolls too much . How do I make it that I only see the FIRST error? [05:34] <pax> illegal indeed [05:34] <george__> bye and thank u [05:34] <ray_> whos 13 [05:34] <george__> me [05:34] <george__> THEY THINK IT IS THAT FUCKING BAD! [05:34] <Xyc0> I thought you were leaving [05:34] <Mobius> wow. [05:34] <nate_> anyone? [05:35] <levander> bimberi: nickrud: thanks for the info. I'm actually looking for where a file called /etc/blkid.tab is getting updated from. I think it's getting updated from a program called blkid. Any clues where this might be? [05:35] <mohohaha> even kids use ubuntu [05:35] <jasoncohen> gpd, is IRC legally responsible to check the age of its users? [05:35] <pax> even non kids use ubuntu you should say [05:35] <gpd> if he is admiting to being 13 he is probably 11 ;) [05:35] <nickrud> levander, I've never seen that program, but I'd look on packages.ubuntu.com for it, so I could see it's package and docs [05:35] <nate_> anyone? [05:35] <jasoncohen> that's only for websites that take user information that could be considered private [05:36] <bimberi> levander: there's a /sbin/blkid [05:36] <jasoncohen> libblkid1: sbin/blkid [05:36] <levander> nickrud: yeah, it's just annoying, this /etc/blkid.tab file keeps getting modified on /etc messing up my svk /etc repository, I've read the blkid man page and can't see why that program is useful. [05:36] <reka> jasoncohen: not likely....there's been 12 yr olds in here [05:36] <pax> most ubuntu users (atleast the irc crowd) are under 20 or in their early 20s [05:36] <gpd> jasoncohen: Aren't there IM clients that ask you to confirm your age? eg. yahoo? [05:37] <gpd> or am i dreaming that one up? [05:37] <jasoncohen> Description: Block device id library [05:37] <jasoncohen> The blkid library which allows system programs like fsck and [05:37] <jasoncohen> mount to quickly and easily find block devices by filesystem UUID and [05:37] <jasoncohen> LABEL. [05:37] <bddebian> Hey and some of us are OLD [05:37] <jasoncohen> sorry- should have removed the line breaks [05:37] <mohohaha> what happen to old people? they use windows 98? [05:37] <reka> gpd: the yahoo account requires an age restriction [05:37] <cafuego> soylent green [05:37] <reka> heh [05:37] <bddebian> heh [05:37] <jasoncohen> gpd, i think you have to say you're over 13 to sign up for a yahoo acocunt- not for the client [05:38] <mohohaha> is there any distribution for 50+ [05:38] <jasoncohen> but that's because you're giving your address, phone # and possibly other info [05:38] <redtech_> good evening all [05:38] <gpd> yeah, but it is difficult to use yahoo messenger without an account ;) [05:38] <sorush20> guys.. I have a problem with running thunderbird.. can anyone help please.. [05:38] <jasoncohen> congress didn't want kids divulging private info without a parent [05:38] <Mobius> whatsup sorush20 [05:38] <cafuego> mohohaha: Any distribution. [05:38] <sorush20> I've pasted the output on the pastebin.. [05:38] <jasoncohen> and they didn't think kids were smart enough to lie i suppose [05:38] <Kyral> sorush20, define problem [05:38] <nickrud> levander, ok, there's a movement in debian to move all the volatile stuff from etc to var; maybe this one cannot be moved or just hasn't been moved [05:38] <cafuego> mohohaha: Much like most others thibgs, it's a matter of not being a moron. [05:38] <jdahm> hmm I was wondering if anyone could tell me why I cannot choose any res beyond 640x480 even though in my xorg.conf there is all the way up to 1280x1024 under my depth subsection [05:39] <gpd> I don't really gas but it is a bit weird... i probably haven't spoken to anyone under 18 for years ;) [05:39] <jdahm> and on gdm the font is realllllly small [05:39] <jasoncohen> jdahm, could be that your monitor vertical/horizontal sync rate is misconfigured [05:39] <gpd> correction: I am a bit weird... [05:39] <jasoncohen> jdahm, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and make sure to select a monitor selection with at least 1280x1024 res [05:39] <cafuego> gpd: There's a LOT of those on irc. [05:39] <nickrud> gpd, here you have ;) [05:39] <redtech_> excuse my ignorance but does it matter if the hda is ntfs when it comes to grub writing to mbr? Or am I facing some other problem? [05:39] <pax> ubotu tell jdahm about resolution [05:40] <levander> nickrud: that is an excellent movement. Volatile stuff like caches does not belong in /etc. /etc is for configuration, not storing data. [05:40] <jasoncohen> redtech, no, it doesn't [05:40] <nickrud> redtech, no, the mbr is separate from partitions [05:40] <jasoncohen> redtech, what problem are you having? [05:41] <sorush20> I don't know what caused it.. i could be back shutdown, extensions install or ect.. but I do know that its not possible to run the TB on root or any other user ... all I want to do is run as the default user.. I was however at some point was able to make a new profile and run TB then... but I don't want to do that.. I want to fix so that I can run as default.. so... I'm here to ask... [05:41] <jasoncohen> levander, if you need to find a package based on a file contained in that package you can either search on packages.ubuntu.com or better yet "sudo apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update" and then "apt-file search filename" [05:41] <redtech_> i got through an entire installation to hdb2 (im dual booting) then got to install grub and it simply failed. [05:41] <nickrud> levander, apt-file is nice if you have bandwidth, yes [05:42] <redtech_> just said it couldnt do it. o.O [05:42] <cafuego> redtech_: Did you tell it to install to MBR? [05:42] <jasoncohen> nickrud, the package that contains a list of files/packages is only 8-9 MB [05:42] <sorush20> for help.. I have two types of problems 1) I get the message that the default user is in use - which can't can't be the case since I'm the only user [05:42] <redtech_> cafuego, yes [05:42] <jasoncohen> and you don't really have to upate it often [05:43] <cafuego> redtech_: Tell it to try LILO instead [05:43] <nickrud> jasoncohen, that's almost an hour on some links I've had [05:43] <jasoncohen> sorush20, do you have TB open- "ps ax grep thunderbird" [05:43] <jasoncohen> sorush20, "ps ax | grep thunderbird" [05:43] <gpd> ok, this blows... the sun 1.4.2 appletviewer works but the firefox plugin is for ns610 and breaks it :( [05:43] <jasoncohen> nickrud, ouch [05:43] <cafuego> gpd: Use 1.5 then [05:44] <gpd> cafuego: but 1.5 breaks with the thing i'm trying to use: pjirc [05:44] <redtech_> cafuego, whats the easiest way to "rescue" this install? i need to boot hdb2. [05:44] <jasoncohen> redtech, did it say why it failed? did it ask you where to install grub (did you run in advanced mode?) [05:44] <levander> command completion doesn't work in bash after you type in 'sudo'? There's a way to turn it on for that? [05:44] <sorush20> jasoncohen, no.. i've checked that but I'll check again.. [05:45] <redtech_> it didnt give a reason, just said failed. It did ask where to install it and I choose mbr on /dev/hda. no I wasnt in advanced mode [05:46] <jdahm> jasoncohen: I did all those steps and it still only lets me select 640x480 [05:47] <jasoncohen> jdahm, ok, then it probably recognized your vsync & hsync rates wrong [05:48] <jasoncohen> !tell jasoncohen about resolution [05:48] <sorush20> jasoncohen, I've pasted the outcome in the #flood [05:48] <jdahm> jasoncohen: Im changing them now [05:48] <gpd> hfs I found the 1.4.2 plugin and it all now works! yay for me ;) [05:48] <jasoncohen> sorush20, now paste [05:48] <sorush20> Okay.. [05:48] <jasoncohen> jdahm, try the "undetected monitor specs" step [05:48] <sorush20> jasoncohen, did yo get it... [05:48] <jdahm> jasoncohen: Im doing that [05:49] <jasoncohen> jdahm, that was my problem- i needed to do that to get 1400x1050 @ 75 hz [05:49] <jasoncohen> sorush20, clearly it's still running [05:49] <jdahm> jasoncohen: I dont even have fresh rates... [05:49] <jasoncohen> sorush20, "sudo kill 6470 6475" [05:49] <jasoncohen> sorush20, then "ps ax | grep thunderbird" again [05:50] <jasoncohen> jdahm, so add it in the the Monitor section [05:50] <jasoncohen> just add the two lines and save [05:50] <jasoncohen> and then restart X with "ctrl-alt-backspace" [05:50] <sorush20> jasoncohen, I've pasted the result again.. [05:51] <sorush20> jasoncohen, in the flood.. [05:51] <jasoncohen> good- now try to start thunderbird [05:51] <levander> jasoncohen: how is 'apt-file' different than 'dpkg -S'. Does 'apt-file' search the online repositories instead of the local hard disks? [05:51] <sorush20> I'll do it form the command.. oaky.. [05:52] <jasoncohen> levander, dpkg -S searches only through installed packages. apt-file searches through ALL available packages in ubuntu's repositories [05:52] <sorush20> I'm sure its not going to work.... if your right.. I'll thank you.. in writing that is.. ;) [05:52] <jasoncohen> levander, dpkg -S is useless if you're trying to fullfill a dependency...let's say you're compiling something and it says libX111.so.1 or something is needed. you can just apt-file search it [05:53] <jdahm> hey how do I startup gdm again from terminal? [05:53] <jasoncohen> sorush20, you can also kill zombie apps with gnome-system-monitor which is quite nice [05:53] <jasoncohen> jdahm, "sudo gdm" [05:53] <nickrud> jasoncohen, jdahm, better: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start [05:53] <levander> jasoncohen: so where does apt-file do it's searching to find libX111.so.1 in your example? Does it search the online ubuntu repositories? [05:54] <skalpel> does anyone else have trouble with small chirps when sound events try to play over music in gnome? [05:54] <sorush20> jasoncohen, i'm getting the same error.. [05:54] <sorush20> jasoncohen, in flood.. [05:54] <nickrud> levander, no, you download the data about the repositories, then apt-file will search that data [05:55] <nate_> what command does linux use to check password complexity? [05:55] <jasoncohen> nickrud, or /etc/init.d/gdm start ? [05:55] <sorush20> good night .all.. [05:56] <levander> nickrud: hmmm, interesting, would be ideal for people trying to backport [05:56] <nickrud> jasoncohen, yeah, just not debian enough :) [05:56] <jasoncohen> all 3 work [05:56] <nickrud> levander, like jasoncohen said, it is especially nice for people looking for libs for compiling [05:56] <jasoncohen> levander, it searches all the ubuntu repositories [05:57] <nate_> anyone? [05:57] <jasoncohen> apt-file update downloads a package with a list of every package in ubuntu and all the files in those packages [05:57] <jasoncohen> sorush20, wait [05:57] <jasoncohen> sorush20, your problem is that the default user either doesn't exist or it has been corrupted [05:57] <jasoncohen> /home/sam/.mozilla-thunderbird/q5opq0cf.Default User: No such file or directory [05:57] <jasoncohen> sorush20, did you alter anything in .mozilla-thunderbird? [05:58] <MagicFab> hello [05:58] <Kaiser_essen> hi [05:58] <Kaiser_essen> bye [05:59] <MagicFab> Does anyone know how to shutdown directly without confirmation from the desktop ? [05:59] <nate_> no one knows? now i really can't believe that [05:59] <MagicFab> (other than goign to a term and sudo halt) [06:00] <direwolf> well the driver works...kinda [06:00] <direwolf> slight malfunction between the keyboard and the chair [06:00] <strixy> MagicFab: Can you run command / reboot? [06:00] <Xenguy> MagicFab: phear of the command-line? :-) [06:01] <MagicFab> If I create a launcher with reboot/halt etc I have to provide the root password [06:01] <davidmorales> hhh [06:01] <MagicFab> Xenguy: convenience for a lazy user [06:01] <MagicFab> :D [06:01] <direwolf> echo? [06:01] <benplaut> echo [06:01] <davidmorales> im screwd [06:01] <stevenj> why does ubuntu backports still contain firefox 1.0.6 (smart upgrade/dist upgrade) when 1.0.6 in the official? [06:01] <strixy> <---- echo [06:01] <Xenguy> MagicFab: heh - everyone should have open at least one xterm, all the time :-) [06:02] <bob2> stevenj: because the backports people are being silly and out of date [06:02] <bob2> or you haven\'t updated lately [06:02] <jasoncohen> stevenj, use the official backports server [06:02] <nickrud> davidmorales, probably not, if the right person is reading :) [06:02] <BTJustice> I doubt if anyone remembers me from earlier (about 4 or 5 hours ago), but... THANK YOU FOR RECOMMENDING UBUNTU!!! [06:02] <DonL> Help! Yesterday I was on here, and someone mentioned a free downloadable Windows program that would allow a windows box to see the files on a Linux machine [06:02] <BTJustice> It is AWESOME! [06:02] <DonL> Can't remember the name though [06:02] <MagicFab> Xenguy: I can close a *session* without confirmation but I really want a way to shutdown entirely [06:02] <jasoncohen> stevenj, backports is still in a state of flux. it's currently switching to the official server and most stuff has been transfered but there's some stuff on the old server that really shouldn't be there [06:02] <Xenguy> BTJustice: I had the same reaction ;-) [06:02] <BTJustice> I would have been using Linux 3 years ago if it was this simple, lol. [06:03] <Xenguy> MagicFab: it's the kind of job that should probably happen on the command-line anyway, no? [06:03] <direwolf> tomorrow im gonna have to figure out how to set up my wireless in term then find out how to get it to start at boot [06:03] <DonL> BTJustice, three years ago it wasn't this simple [06:03] <HrdwrBoB> BTJustice: it wasn't this simple three years ago :) [06:03] <direwolf> driver works but i couldnt get it to connect to ap [06:03] <direwolf> so ndiswrapper for now [06:03] <Xenguy> BTJustice: reminds me of a Beatles song off Sgt Peppers [06:03] <DonL> HrdwrBoB, snap [06:03] <davidmorales> i am screwd, i installed Ubuntu and now i cant get back to windows , or dont know how and i lost my backup dvd's [06:03] <davidmorales> anyone know what i did wrong [06:03] <BTJustice> I think I tried SuSE or RedHat last time. Hated it. [06:03] <MagicFab> DonL: check this http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2005-05/msg00161.html [06:03] <direwolf> at least im halfway there [06:04] <DonL> thanks MagicFab [06:04] <redtech_> can I "jumpstart" an installtion using the install cd? [06:04] <direwolf> david are you sure you cant come up with a workaround? [06:04] <strixy> davidm: did you install Ubuntu on the same HD as yoru Windows? [06:04] <xaque> davidmorales: did you install GRUB? [06:04] <davidmorales> ahh i think im being lazy at this moment [06:04] <MagicFab> DonL: if your LInux files are on a ext3 partition, I think you can do that [06:04] <Xenguy> redtech_: what do you mean? [06:04] <skalpel> how can i change my console font in ubuntu? [06:04] <nickrud> davidmorales, join #flood, I have a lazy man's fix, for a standard install [06:04] <MagicFab> skalpel: System | Preferences | Fonts [06:05] <davidmorales> alright, that would be great [06:05] <stevenj> jasoncohen, sorry for being stupid, what is the official backports these days ;)...I have been using mirrormax thansk [06:05] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, linux has gone a long way in the past few years and it's getting better all the time [06:05] <skalpel> magicfab: that does not let me change my console font =) [06:05] <bimberi> !backports [06:05] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [06:05] <skalpel> magicfab: but thank you anyway [06:05] <redtech_> Xenguy, I have an Ubuntu installtion on /dev/hdb2 but no bootloader. can I load that installtion using the ubuntu cd? [06:05] <jasoncohen> stevenj, it's a recent change. you're not stupid, heh [06:05] <arbir> is there a package to install JVM ? [06:05] <jasoncohen> stevenj, just replace the old backports line with "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" [06:05] <Xenguy> redtech_: IC [06:06] <BTJustice> I have so much work to do. I need to import Windows e-mail from Outlook Express 6 and Outlook 2003 into Evolution. [06:06] <strixy> skalpel: setting - font - custom. Select font size, etc... then select save as default. [06:06] <MagicFab> skalpel: then in your term preferences check the box "use system font" (or similar) in the default profile [06:06] <BTJustice> jasoncohen: I agree. [06:06] <stevenj> jasoncohen, thanks [06:06] <cafuego> BTJustice: Best way to do that is via thunderbird or using an IMAP server. I suggest the latter. [06:07] <MagicFab> arbir: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [06:07] <cafuego> and once it's imapped, clients no longer matters [06:08] <BTJustice> Because of MBOX format? [06:08] <stevenj> jasoncohen, guess its still not ready because it gives errors...no such file or directory and so on and so on.... [06:08] <arbir> MagicFab: thanks let me check.. b.t.w what is wiki.. i keep seeing wiki.. cant make out .. can you point to me a link which can explain wiki ? [06:08] <jasoncohen> arbir, the easiest way is to just use hoary-extras and "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" [06:08] <skalpel> magicfab: i mean in my console, like outside of X? not my terminal font, i have that set how i want [06:08] <jasoncohen> stevenj, no- it works fine [06:08] <cafuego> even my in-laws use that system now :-) [06:08] <nickrud> imap's on one machine :) [06:08] <arbir> jasoncohen: let me try that [06:08] <MagicFab> A wiki is a web application that allows users to add content, as on an Internet forum, but also allows anyone to edit the content. The term Wiki also refers to the collaborative software used to create such a website (see Wiki software). [06:08] <jasoncohen> stevenj, "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-backports main restricted universe multiverse" [06:09] <MagicFab> (from Wikipedia.com) [06:09] <bob2> skalpel: google knows the answer, but it's usually not worth bothering with [06:09] <BTJustice> Is there a network status icon that can be displayed by the clcok to show IP address, speed, and such? [06:09] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia repositories [06:09] <jasoncohen> arbir, you need to add hoary-extras first. follow the instructions on my page [06:09] <arbir> jasoncohen: going there :-) [06:09] <stevenj> jasoncohen, http://rafb.net/paste/results/22sBjO89.html [06:09] <MagicFab> BTJustice: sure, add the network status applet [06:09] <skalpel> bob2: i was hoping there was a porgram that would let me edit my boot configurations, such as font size and images etc [06:10] <bob2> skalpel: there isn't [06:10] <arbir> jasoncohen: where is ur page ? [06:10] <BTJustice> MagicFab: How do I do that? [06:10] <bob2> skalpel: there's a program for setting the console font, tho, yes [06:10] <DonL> MagicFab, I think I'm on the default ext3, so I'll go over to the windows and try to download it. [06:10] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia repositories [06:10] <skalpel> bob2: what is it called? [06:10] <jasoncohen> and if you're interested in multimedia support on ubuntu [06:10] <MagicFab> skalpel: I recall seing something in the HOWTOs... [06:10] <levander> Anybody know if anybody if working on improving udftools? I'm convinced that the current version just does not work. I looked at their CVS repository on sourceforge. Looked like the most recently modified file was 17 months ago. [06:10] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia [06:10] <arbir> thanks.... let me see it [06:11] <bob2> skalpel: dude, http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+set+console+font [06:11] <strixy> skalpel/bob2: Is it in .bashrc? [06:11] <stevenj> jasoncohen, thats the error :) [06:11] <bob2> strixy: is what in bashrc? [06:11] <levander> That that CVS repository hasn't been modified in 17 months is a pretty good sign that nobodies working on it? At all? [06:11] <strixy> bob2 the font selector [06:11] <levander> There's a better place to check? [06:11] <bob2> levander: asking the actual developers would be a better idea [06:11] <jasoncohen> stevenj, works fine here- just did an apt-get update [06:11] <strixy> nope, it's not [06:12] <bob2> ranting on a user channel is highly unlikely to even find someone who knows what udftools is [06:12] <levander> bob2: what disc are you using to backup your system? [06:12] <bob2> levander: disk? [06:12] <levander> bob2: lol @ ranting [06:12] <bob2> levander: I just burn iso-9660 dvds [06:12] <stevenj> jasoncohen, this is error I get in terminal -- E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it? [06:12] <levander> bob2: i thought you said that you backed up with rsync? [06:13] <jasoncohen> stevenj, a) did you run with sudo - "sudo apt-get update", b) do you have synaptic open, c) are you using apt-get at the moment? [06:13] <BTJustice> Is there a network status icon that can be displayed by the clcok to show IP address, speed, and such? If so, how? [06:13] <arbir> thanks jasoncohen i am getting it via apt ... this is so easy to use this distro is :-) [06:14] <MagicFab> skalpel: not sure if this can lead you somewhere... but here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50054 [06:14] <bob2> levander: oh, for my laptop, yeah [06:14] <skalpel> bob2: can you help me with installing a program from shell script? [06:14] <stevenj> jasoncohen, I had synaptic open...err opps [06:14] <bob2> skalpel: not unless you're a jillion times more specific [06:15] <bob2> levander: not even hacked together, it's just a one line rsync all that's in my shell history [06:15] <levander> bob2: ah, yeah, i see. That's really one of the few reasons I *really* want udftools. So that I can backup with rsync and hard links. Wouldn't have to change my dvd-rw for months and would have a full backup nightly... [06:15] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia [06:15] <jasoncohen> arbir, now install more stuff ;) [06:15] <bob2> levander: the udf format supports hardlinks? [06:16] <levander> bob2: I would assume. I haven't checked because I can't even get it working. I'll go see if I can find out now. I think I saw a reference somewhere that it did. [06:17] <bob2> I'd be pretty surprised if it did [06:17] <arbir> awesine jasoncohen [06:17] <arbir> *awesome* [06:17] <BTJustice> Is there a network status icon that can be displayed by the clcok to show IP address, speed, and such? If so, how? [06:17] <arbir> where is the kdm config file... i can only see the gdm config file under /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf [06:18] <stevenj> cool now firefox is now taken out of the "official" bp thanks for the help :) :) [06:18] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, yes [06:18] <levander> bob2: still looking, but I know iso9660 with Rock Ridge supports soft links... [06:18] <bob2> BTJustice: asking over and over is kinda annoying [06:18] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, right click an empty space on the top panel, choose add to panel and then choose "Network Monitor" [06:18] <bob2> BTJustice: did you look at the applets you already have? [06:19] <levander> BTJustice: you tried #gnome? [06:19] <jasoncohen> click on the network monitor to get ip/gateway/subnet and activity info [06:19] <nate__> hello [06:20] <skalpel> bob2: the usual way to install a program in linux uiis to use the 'install' shell script, correct? [06:20] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, it will show signal strength on the panel for wireless [06:20] <jasoncohen> quite nice [06:20] <arbir> got it :-) i found it [06:20] <bob2> skalpel: no, not at all [06:20] <arbir> man..... now i am finding this channel inspiring [06:20] <bob2> skalpel: again, you're being annoyingly vague [06:20] <jasoncohen> skalpel, in ubuntu- the usual way is to use apt-get or syanaptic (or aptitude) to install the .deb package from ubuntu's servers [06:20] <bob2> skalpel: if you're trying to install something in particulr, say so [06:20] <arbir> is going down to his basement to check on his server [06:21] <bob2> skalpel: the general method is "sudo aptitude install blah" [06:21] <jasoncohen> skalpel, for a new user- you'll want to use synaptic which is a graphical program to install/remove/upgrade packages [06:21] <skalpel> bob2: console tools o.2.3 [06:21] <jasoncohen> very simple to use [06:21] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i can use synaptic, but this does not have a package, at least i do not think so [06:21] <nickrud> BTJustice, I use the netspeed package, I think it will give you the data you are looking for [06:21] <skalpel> i am curious about installing programs that are NOT in synaptic [06:21] <jasoncohen> skalpel, what package? [06:21] <bob2> skalpel: it's priority: important, so you almost certainly already have it [06:21] <jasoncohen> skalpel, you probably just need to enable universe or multiverse [06:21] <bob2> skalpel: also, do not install critical things like console-tools from source, unless you really do know what you're doing [06:22] <jasoncohen> um, console-tools is in main [06:22] <bob2> skalpel: the optimal solution depends on the software you are talking about [06:22] <redtech_> omg. i just reinstalled and it installed grub [06:22] <jasoncohen> sudo apt-get install console-tools [06:22] <jasoncohen> redtech, heh [06:22] <skalpel> bob2: you are right, i do have it [06:22] <nickrud> redtech, and, did it work :) [06:22] <skalpel> bob2: where are programs like that usually stored? because i do not know what the executable would be named [06:22] <jasoncohen> skalpel, if you find you're missing applications you want enable universe and multiverse and there's a 99% chance it'll have what you want [06:23] <redtech_> slamming my head intot he wall? well yes! heh yeah grub worked [06:23] <bob2> skalpel: dpkg -L console-tools | grep /bin [06:23] <benplaut> can someone recommend to me a good, cheap router that is reliable? at my school, our router only lets some people connect, and many of us (me included) won't connect. i'm making a fundraiser to get us a new one, but i need to know what, first :P [06:23] <jasoncohen> skalpel, main/restricted only has 3,000 packages or so. if you enable universe & multiverse you'll have over 16,000 to choose from! [06:23] <benplaut> somehwere around $20-30 [06:23] <bob2> skalpel: that will print all files in the package, that include /bin in their (in practice, all the programs it installed) [06:23] <bob2> benplaut: an old pc with a few network cards and linux [06:23] <jasoncohen> benplaut, there are plenty of good wired routers in that price range [06:23] <benplaut> wireless [06:23] <bob2> any old PC will be handle the bandwidth your school has [06:23] <skalpel> bob2: alright [06:23] <bob2> then stick a wireless card in it [06:23] <jasoncohen> benplaut, 802.11g? [06:24] <benplaut> yeah [06:24] <bob2> linksys wrt54g's are quite nice, tho [06:24] <stevenj> now with backports everything is working good again...I never noticed gaim have room lists...that must be something new...kinda neat anyway [06:24] <auk> ray: i'm thirteen [06:24] <Madpilot> greetings, ubuntunians [06:24] <benplaut> bah... too expensive [06:24] <benplaut> hello Madpilot [06:24] <xaque> hell [06:24] <xaque> *o [06:24] <jasoncohen> benplaut, $20-30 is cutting it too close...you're going to get crap for that price [06:24] <benplaut> oh, and the term is now "ubunut" [06:24] <xaque> hello [06:24] <benplaut> jadoncohen: bah... i have a cheap no-name in my house that is great, but that was just luck :P [06:24] <jasoncohen> stevenj, room lists are available for yahoo - not AIM [06:24] <jasoncohen> did you add a new account? [06:25] <stevenj> jasoncohen, well I only use yahoo actually....but I never room lists before upgrading... [06:25] <jasoncohen> benplaut, and i bought a cheap netgear router and spent hours on tech support with them because of problems i had...i went through 6 ...count 'em - 6 routers! [06:25] <benplaut> well, i guess i'll just go for a more expensive WRT54G, then :( [06:25] <jasoncohen> benplaut, they ended up sending me a router 2x the price that still had problems so i run both in router + static AP mode and it still doesn't work that well [06:25] <benplaut> this one we have that doesn't work is a DLink... my ... is it a Planet brand? is fine [06:26] <benplaut> hmm [06:26] <stevenj> jasoncohen, in any case it works just like I remember the real yahoo msg working :) [06:26] <jasoncohen> stevenj, yeah- gaim is nice...especially for multiple accounts [06:26] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble with add/remove programs not working? [06:26] <benplaut> uboto ubuntu is an ubuntu fanatic [06:26] <benplaut> woops [06:26] <jasoncohen> skalpel, that's because you've installed smeg and thus pyxdg .14 [06:27] <stevenj> jasoncohen, I will defin. create a new account..I logged into a room and forgot...crap I dont want them to see my real account name....:o [06:27] <jasoncohen> skalpel, python-xdg .14 broke gnome-app-install (is that what it's called)...there's a patch [06:27] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i did not realise this would be a problem [06:27] <jasoncohen> skalpel, one sec [06:27] <skalpel> jasoncohen: where at? [06:27] <skalpel> jasoncohen: ok [06:27] <nickrud> jasoncohen, don't dis Amaranth [06:27] <benplaut> hi Amaranth :P [06:27] <bob2> Amaranth: dude, conflict with gnome-app-installer if you're going to break it [06:27] <bob2> Amaranth: (in the pyxdg package, that is) [06:27] <jasoncohen> nickrud, huh? [06:27] <Amaranth> bob2: Talk to backports guys. [06:27] <bob2> wtf [06:27] <nickrud> jasoncohen, np, a joke [06:28] <jasoncohen> nickrud, i didn't- in fact he helped me get smeg working [06:28] <nickrud> I hunt those who hide :) [06:28] <bob2> Amaranth: where are they on IRC? [06:28] <Amaranth> err, here and -devel [06:28] <benplaut> !ubunut [06:29] <ubotu> hmm... ubunut is an ubuntu fanatic [06:29] <benplaut> hehe... nice [06:29] <bob2> bah [06:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, do you know the webpage for the fix? [06:29] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: nope, lost in bugzilla [06:29] <jasoncohen> i can't find it...i searched all gnome-app-install bugs on ubuntu bugzilla [06:29] <levander> bob2: from http://www.osta.org/specs/pdf/udf260.pdf (Official UDF spec) section 2.3.6.8: "Hard links to directories are not allowed". I assume that that means to hard links to regular files are allowed. Note that ext3 has the same restriction. [06:30] <stevenj> if any BP guys are here you defin. did a good job fixing up BPs...I'm checking everything out and its working good [06:30] <bob2> levander: all modenr unix filesystems have that restriction [06:30] <levander> bob2: that's closest I can get without studying the structure of that 168 page document. [06:30] <levander> bob2: but I think that means that udf does have hard links [06:30] <bob2> ok [06:30] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, damn- i wish ubuntu had something like debian-bts with reportbug, querybts etc. ..bugzilla sucks [06:31] <bob2> apparently one day lp will have that [06:31] <jasoncohen> it was so much easier to find bugs with reportbug [06:31] <levander> bob2: so you gonna go rant amongst the ubuntu developers and get us udf for dvd-rw's now??? [06:31] <Amaranth> at least bugzilla is searchable from a website [06:31] <jasoncohen> and to report them [06:31] <Amaranth> i mean, sanely [06:31] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, as is BTS [06:31] <xaque> bugzilla is cool [06:31] <bob2> levander: hey, I have no power over anyone [06:31] <nickrud> jasoncohen, and to realize someone was there first, usually [06:31] <bob2> Amaranth: google + debian bts = winx0r [06:31] <bob2> levander: have you filed a bug on udftools? [06:31] <Amaranth> bob2: google is a poor replacement for good searching [06:31] <levander> bob2: yeah, yeah, rallying the natives to influence the powerful is always a pain in the ass i guess [06:31] <Amaranth> bob2: so is grep [06:32] <bob2> Amaranth: how so? [06:32] <Amaranth> bob2: it works but don't expect users to do it [06:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, reportbug is easy to use...and the site isn't that bad [06:32] <nolan> I get super crappy fonts in any core-font app (emacs is the one that I care about) in ubuntu. I've not seen this with debian. xfontsel only shows one pt size for truetype fonts, and they look very bad. What an I screwing up here? [06:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, at least i can find all the bugs on a package in BTS! [06:32] <bob2> Amaranth: searching seems to be less important on the BTS since it's so easy to find all the bugs on a package [06:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: err, and you can't in bugzilla? [06:32] <jasoncohen> skalpel, i can't seem to find it [06:32] <skalpel> jasoncohen: if i un-install smeg will it work again? [06:32] <jasoncohen> i'll try bugzilla [06:33] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, bugzilla only shows 11 bugs on gnome-app-install - none that i'm looking for [06:33] <jasoncohen> skalpel, no- the problem is the new python-xdg [06:33] <bob2> levander: no, ranting at developers is just annoying to them, too; filing details bugs is the way to get things fixed and noticed [06:33] <Amaranth> skalpel: and if you have backports enabled you have to get rid of it [06:33] <skalpel> i believe i do have backports enabled. how do i get rid of it? [06:33] <Amaranth> personally i find gnome-app-install in hoary to be basically useless, appearently most people agree with me [06:34] <benplaut> Amaranth: how's Smeg going? :P [06:34] <dbernar1> who knows how to make a picture file out of a movie file? [06:34] <Amaranth> seeing how this was broken for probably a month before anyone noticed [06:34] <bob2> mencoder + png output [06:34] <jasoncohen> skalpel, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11871 [06:34] <skalpel> how do i find out which version of the kernal i am using? [06:34] <jasoncohen> skalpel, download and apply the patch [06:34] <jasoncohen> it's easy [06:34] <bob2> Amaranth: it's broken in hoary? or only broken when the new pyxdg is installed? [06:34] <skalpel> ok [06:34] <bob2> skalpel: uname -r [06:34] <Amaranth> benplaut: hasn't at all since the last screenshot i showed you [06:35] <Amaranth> bob2: pyxdg [06:35] <dbernar1> bob2: great! what do I do? read something on mencoder perhaps? [06:35] <bob2> Amaranth: if the latter, I think that just suggests that "people who used those backports don't use g-a-i" [06:35] <nickrud> lol [06:35] <Amaranth> bob2: the overlap between smeg and backports users and g-a-i users is very small [06:35] <Amaranth> yeah, what you said [06:35] <benplaut> Amaranth: well, i really don't care much anymore, considering that .75 is the last version for Hoary... [06:35] <levander> bob2: I filed a bug at launchpad about a week ago. Nobody's responded. [06:35] <jasoncohen> bob2, well, in breezy gnome-app-install will actually show enough applications + info that it might actually be useful [06:36] <Amaranth> benplaut: it'll work in hoary, you'll just see things in smeg differently than in the real menus [06:36] <levander> bob2: looking at launchpad, the vast majority of the bugs have no response to them. [06:36] <bob2> ok, I've never used it, I just get annoyed by baseless assertions :) [06:36] <bob2> levander: yes, there's very few universe people [06:36] <Amaranth> benplaut: because 0.8 will let you put in separators and reorder things but the menus don't actually support that in hoary [06:36] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, what crap... a search for gnome-app-install doesn't show bug 11871 on package gnome-app-install [06:36] <bob2> and LP is the friendliest system to reply to bugs with [06:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: you didn't define your search terms properly [06:37] <levander> bob2: i've actually been looking at doing it myself, but think that wishful thinking, i've never done hardware level coding. [06:37] <nickrud> levander, give them a chance, bug squashing always comes late [06:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it says "enter a bug # or some search terms" - a package name is a search term [06:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, how should i have done it? [06:37] <dbernar1> ok,. well, I hjust got an email from this email address: nitaigouranga@aol.com. It says: "Call out Gouranga be happy!!!\nGouranga Gouranga Gouranga ....\nThat which brings the highest happiness!!" [06:37] <dbernar1> weird ppl. [06:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: simple search doesn't search against package names [06:38] <nickrud> oh, Gourandga [06:38] <dbernar1> you know something about this? [06:38] <nickrud> yeah, google it, there's a lot [06:38] <dbernar1> ok [06:38] <dbernar1> good idea [06:38] <nickrud> :) [06:38] <levander> nickrud: that's kind of why i'm asking right now, don't mean to rant, but am just wondering if anybody's heard of anybody working on udftools. So that there is somebody to squash bugs on udftools late. I'd be more than happy if udftools were working for breezy. [06:38] <dbernar1> gta? [06:38] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i seem to be having trouble installing this patch, can you help me out? [06:39] <dbernar1> wtf I dont care about that...why did someone send me this? Spam? [06:39] <jasoncohen> skalpel, download gnome-app-install-v3.tar.gz, then "tar zxvf gnome-app-install-v3.tar.gz" and cd gai. then "sudo ./install-gai.sh [06:39] <f_newton> spam? [06:39] <nickrud> levander, I have had hopes for udftoos for years. Don't hold your breath [06:39] <f_newton> spam and eggs or just spam? [06:39] <dbernar1> not sure even if its spam yet. [06:39] <benplaut> ubotu smeg is Simple Menu Editor for Gnome- you can find it in the Backports repository, or at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67 [06:39] <ubotu> ...but smeg is already something else... [06:39] <benplaut> woops [06:39] <levander> nickrud: ack! years? damn [06:39] <Amaranth> benplaut: grr [06:39] <levander> nickrud: okay, guess I can officially forget it then. [06:39] <benplaut> hmm [06:40] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i did that and i got a bunch of errors saying 'directory does not exist' would you like me to paste it? [06:40] <benplaut> didn't show up when i tried before [06:40] <nickrud> levander, good move [06:40] <levander> nickrud: just wish somebody would have told me that before I spent two and a half days of free time about a week ago trying to get it working. [06:40] <f_newton> go to rafb.net/paste or something [06:40] <benplaut> ahh... when /msging ubotu, dont use a "!" :P [06:40] <jasoncohen> skalpel, what directory? what gave you the error? [06:40] <jasoncohen> skalpel, paste in #flood [06:40] <dbernar1> so you guys think its spam or someone trying to scare me? [06:40] <nickrud> levander, I hadn't looked for a while, thanks for being my scout ;P [06:41] <`Xenocide> question about video: does totem work with .mkvs well yet? [06:41] <f_newton> dbernar1, how in the world would anyone know... what are you talking about, maybe I just came in late [06:41] <nickrud> dbernar1, it is definite spam [06:41] <dbernar1> great. [06:41] <levander> nickrud: think i'm going to modify that bug entry i put in to say that if it's not working, they should at least put a note in the package so people don't waste time trying to get it to work. [06:41] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, can i just search by package name? [06:41] <dbernar1> f_newton: not important, its spam. [06:41] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: for some reason i can't bring that bug up with a search :P [06:41] <nickrud> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouranga dbernar1 [06:41] <f_newton> spam is an unfortunate result of letting the eastern block get internet access [06:41] <dbernar1> I just never get sp[am, that is why I was like....wtf./.. [06:41] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: this have never happened before... [06:42] <jasoncohen> i personally think debian BTS is more straightforward...more options but searching by maintainer, package name, bug description was easy [06:42] <Xenguy> dbernar1: it only gets better :P [06:42] <f_newton> lol Xenguy [06:42] <dbernar1> haha [06:42] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i can't figure out how to just search by package name...i want all bugs on gnome-app-install. [06:42] <Goodspeed> i accidently deleted the top panel!! [06:42] <dbernar1> Im opening a new email address, it seems. [06:42] <f_newton> xenguy when ubuntu upgrades its version of evolution you will get a darn good antispam tool [06:42] <Goodspeed> can i get it back?!? [06:42] <jasoncohen> why does ubuntu use bugzilla? [06:42] <dbernar1> or not yet, whatever. [06:43] <dbernar1> ok, sorry to bother you guys. [06:43] <f_newton> anyone who is anyone in the software biz uses bugzilla [06:43] <Xenguy> f_newton: evo is integrating an anti-spam tool? [06:43] <levander> f_newton: bugzilla is a bitch to administer, I use roundup which is much easier to [06:43] <f_newton> the junk mail filter in the newer version that fedora uses is much better then the one ubuntu uses [06:43] <Goodspeed> is there anyway to get the top panel with the date and time back if you delete it? [06:44] <jasoncohen> f_newton, why...it's not that good [06:44] <f_newton> sure Goodspeed [06:44] <Goodspeed> how? [06:44] <dbernar1> Goodspeed: well for one, you can cerate a new uiser. that will do it. [06:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&component=gnome-app-install ? [06:44] <Goodspeed> what about my current one? [06:44] <f_newton> right click on your taskbar and choose add to panel [06:44] <dbernar1> Another thing is that you can add "a" panekl, and give it twhat you want on it. [06:44] <jasoncohen> f_newton, i thought debian BTS was far better at finding and reporing bugs. reportbug and listbugs were great [06:44] <Xenguy> f_newton: I use spamassassin currently; it seems to catch 95% or whatever [06:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: basically what it comes down to is that bugzilla is easier for casual users [06:44] <dbernar1> I heard of someone getting it back without even doing anything, some kind of reset. [06:44] <f_newton> well I get on average 15 pieces of junk per hour [06:45] <dbernar1> not not doing anything, but just resettings. [06:45] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: developers are more important in BTS, users are more important in bugzilla [06:45] <f_newton> i imagine it would be a lot worse without assasin [06:45] <levander> f_newton: you gotta change your email address man, that's ridiculous [06:45] <dbernar1> pretty bad. [06:45] <jasoncohen> heh...i want BTS back [06:45] <Goodspeed> i dont have the task bar [06:45] <nmsa> where can I find sudo history ? is there a complete log of all commands since ever installed ? [06:45] <f_newton> levander its what happens when you have web site [06:45] <f_newton> sites [06:45] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, so, you can't just use BTS and make an easy to use website? [06:45] <dbernar1> Goodspeed: whats a task bar? a bar with squares representing apps, like the bottom one in windows? [06:45] <Xenguy> levander: after a few years, that's what seems to happen with spam [06:46] <f_newton> yep [06:46] <levander> f_newton: you can't get boxtrapper or something to stop that? [06:46] <skalpel> i think i just ran out of things to fix in ubuntu. what do i do now? =) [06:46] <f_newton> i have a spam email acct in hotmail [06:46] <Goodspeed> no f_newton said clikc on the taskbar [06:46] <Goodspeed> all i have is the bottom one that shows my active programs [06:46] <f_newton> I get about 60 a day [06:46] <levander> Xenguy: I've had my email address for years, get about 15 a day [06:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, where is the advanced search functionality for ubuntu's bugzilla...i don't think that debian's BTS site was hard to use at all. why do you think it's too difficult for users? [06:46] <Goodspeed> i deleted the top one [06:46] <xaque> skalpel: go to disneyland! [06:46] <dbernar1> click on the bottom panel, and select new panel, [06:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i'm having a more difficult time using bugzilla [06:46] <f_newton> goodspeed then click on that one... do you want the upper taskbar back? [06:46] <Goodspeed> yea [06:46] <Goodspeed> i want all of it back [06:46] <Goodspeed> :( [06:46] <Xenguy> levander: I get a lot also (I don't even know how much anymore honestly) [06:47] <f_newton> I think you can restore it hang on a sec [06:47] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i see...edit search at the bottom brings up advanced search options [06:47] <f_newton> yer talking gnome right? [06:47] <toran> does anyone know how to get magnet links working with firefox in ubuntu? [06:47] <Goodspeed> yeap [06:47] <f_newton> good [06:47] <johnnybezak> hey guys, is there a way to set proxy settings for epiphany ? [06:47] <f_newton> I refer kde problems to .... uh the round file... no someone else [06:47] <johnnybezak> (i just got my wireless card working with dnis :D ) [06:47] <Xenguy> Ubuntu's Firefox seems to default to opening text files with 'gedit'; how can I convince FF to open text files with a different editor? [06:47] <jasoncohen> f_newton, [06:47] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file? [06:47] <jasoncohen> f_newton, but both fedora and ubuntu have thunderbird 1.0.6 [06:48] <jasoncohen> why does fedora have a newer junk filter? [06:48] <f_newton> thunderbird wont resize in my small lappy screen to set up properly [06:48] <f_newton> so it sux to mke [06:48] <f_newton> uh me [06:48] <skalpel> is there a better aim client for gnome than gaim? on ethat has more functions, such as direct connection? [06:48] <levander> jasoncohen: fedora doesn't freeze packages and only release bug fixes. They release new functionality after they make their release. [06:48] <f_newton> ok Goodspeed you there? [06:48] <Goodspeed> yeap [06:48] <Veon> Hi! Does anyone know if there is somekind of program for Ubuntu Linux like ISObuster? [06:48] <nickrud> johnnybezak, I think epiphany respects system->preferences->network proxy [06:49] <f_newton> find a blank spot on your lower task bar and right click [06:49] <jasoncohen> levander, i know- but as i said the security team made an exception for mozilla products. ubuntu has the latest version of thunderbird- 1.0.6 [06:49] <levander> skalpel: i looked for something like that once, never found one [06:49] <f_newton> Goodspeed, click on new panel [06:49] <jasoncohen> Veon, if you just want to burn an iso, you can right click the iso and choose burn to disk from nautilus :) [06:49] <f_newton> drag that sucka up to the top spot [06:49] <johnnybezak> nickrud: roger that ill check it out [06:49] <jasoncohen> Veon, gnomebaker is also quite nice [06:49] <levander> jasoncohen: my bad, didn't read whole conversation [06:49] <skalpel> levander: i know netscape comes with aim but i would rather not use that browser [06:50] <nickrud> johnnybezak, let me know for the future, I use epiphany a lot [06:50] <Veon> jasoncohen, No I need to open an nrg file [06:50] <f_newton> then go to that new task bar right click and start the add to panel stuff [06:50] <johnnybezak> nickrud: you don't know what that's called from the cli do you ? [06:50] <jasoncohen> levander, heh- i'm not a newb. I know how ubuntu & fedora operate [06:50] <f_newton> until you get it back like you want it [06:50] <f_newton> k? [06:50] <Goodspeed> ok [06:50] <levander> skalpel: when I looked, I didn't even find that netscape had it. You've found more than I did. [06:50] <johnnybezak> nickrud: yeah sure :) [06:50] <jasoncohen> Veon, ah, ok [06:50] <Veon> Anyone here know how to open an .nrg file? [06:50] <aru> skalpel: I use gaim and haven't had a problem with it, whats the down fall of it? [06:51] <dbernar1> Goodspeed: another way to do it would be to add a new user. Yo9u could not name it the same as this one, tho, so...I mean, not suer which would take less time. [06:51] <f_newton> but yes thunderbird does have a superior junk mail filter [06:51] <Goodspeed> nah ill just put everything back [06:51] <Goodspeed> its not like its going to be hard [06:51] <xaque> veon: i think .nrg files are created by nero [06:51] <`Xenocide> veon: i think k3b can open a .nrg CD Image, but you'd have to install it and KDE [06:51] <benplaut> nero for linux? [06:51] <BeefTube> can we play soldst with ubuntu wine? [06:51] <levander> aru: i personally just don't like the UI. Looks to cutesy to me. Plus don't like the way it opens new tab windows for everything. [06:51] <BeefTube> soldat [06:51] <benplaut> you don't have to install all of KDE, just about 2 libs [06:51] <skalpel> aru: well i just noticed that i was not able to establish a direct connection with another aim user, something that the windows client does. [06:51] <levander> aru: it's all preference stuff though why I don't like it. [06:51] <benplaut> it's not as bad as people think [06:51] <Madpilot> you can run K3B without the entire KDE desktop [06:51] <f_newton> I like gnome a lot levander [06:52] <f_newton> oh you mean thunderbird? [06:52] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file? [06:52] <levander> f_newton: I was just talking about gaim [06:52] <f_newton> thunderbird is a superior mail ui [06:52] <aru> skalpel: theres always the kopete if you want to install the kde crap [06:52] <skalpel> aru: i do not =) [06:52] <Veon> `Xenocide, hmm, I'll see if I can do without opening it then. [06:52] <f_newton> ah gaim ... u can change its look n feel [06:52] <aru> skalpel: good :) [06:52] <HrdwrBoB> aru: or you could stab your eyes out with a hot poker [06:52] <Veon> Thnx for the help guys! [06:52] <levander> skalpel: you know the gaim developers hang out in #gaim [06:52] <skalpel> i already made the mistake of switching to kde once, i am done withit [06:52] <aru> heh [06:52] <skalpel> levander: ok [06:52] <f_newton> I wish thunderbird would resize for me [06:52] <f_newton> sigh [06:52] <f_newton> I would not use evo again [06:52] <jay> Anyone care to help me out with getting windows back? x.X [06:52] <nickrud> skalpel, skoal :) [06:52] <benplaut> i like KDE, but my computer is too slow for my tastes when using it [06:53] <levander> skalpel: why didn't you like KDE? [06:53] <skalpel> because gnome is better [06:53] <skalpel> imo [06:53] <johnnybezak> haha nice answer [06:53] <SquareGuy> skalpel, i'll second that ;) [06:53] <skalpel> k [06:53] <benplaut> jay: instert windows CD, press enter a few times, wait around for a few hours for it to finish [06:53] <levander> skalpel: oh, i see you've done very in depth comparison... [06:53] <nickrud> rofl [06:53] <jay> Problem is I don't have a windows cd. [06:53] <johnnybezak> sorry anyone know what the gnome proxy settings tool is called (cli command) [06:53] <benplaut> ahh [06:54] <levander> jay: that is a problem [06:54] <skalpel> i installed kubuntu first, and i liked it [06:54] <skalpel> i just like gnome better [06:54] <jay> I need to download and burn the image, but I do not know how to install things with linux. [06:54] <skalpel> i might get bored and go back to it someday but i doubt it [06:54] <benplaut> well then, jay, my friend, you can either spend $200+, or... other methods [06:54] <aru> jay: what are you trying to do? [06:54] <benplaut> actually, it wouldn't be illegal as long as you use your own key, right? [06:54] <levander> skalpel: i've been meaning to check out e17. I used to use DR16 and loved it. Till it got kind of dated. [06:54] <jay> correct [06:55] <SquareGuy> jay, are you saying that you need to burn an iso image of windows? [06:55] <dbernar1> ya jay, you trying to download a windows iso, burn it to a cd and install windows? [06:55] <jay> So that I can get out of linux, yes. [06:55] <jay> yes. [06:55] <levander> jay: get out of linux? linux is this bad??? [06:55] <dbernar1> get the iso then [06:55] <dbernar1> right click on it. [06:55] <f_newton> wait a second..so that you can get out of linux/ [06:55] <f_newton> ? [06:55] <f_newton> why? [06:55] <dbernar1> burn to cd, and burn it [06:55] <jay> To hard, when I don't know the commands etc. [06:55] <dbernar1> the rest you surely know. [06:55] <f_newton> is it that tough for you? [06:56] <dbernar1> linux is nice...^_^ like cats. [06:56] <aru> jay: maybe we can help you work through the difficult parts? [06:56] <nickrud> jay, if you'll join #flood, I have a stanza you need to add to /boot/grub/menu.lst. If you have a standard windows install, it'll work [06:56] <levander> jay: lol, that's the whole fun of linux at first. Learning so much about your computer.... [06:56] <f_newton> Ive heard every thing now [06:56] <jay> It is when I don't know the commands and things to install software, files and programs on linux. [06:56] <SquareGuy> jay, well just use a linux cd-burner. i must admit i prefer k3b. its a niced gui so you wont need command line [06:56] <skalpel> levander: very true [06:56] <maxgoetz> kitties!!! ^_^ [06:56] <dbernar1> jay installing is too easy [06:56] <levander> jay: nickrud is assuming you didn't blow away your windows install when you installed linux. Did you blow it away? [06:56] <nickrud> heh, levander [06:56] <jasoncohen> jay, you can install an iso in nautilus by right clicking and choosing burn to cd..you can also use gnomebaker or k3b [06:56] <jasoncohen> many choices and all are easy [06:56] <jay> That's exactly what I did. [06:56] <skalpel> does anyone ever thing that one day irc and the linux terminal will be integrated succesfully and safely? [06:56] <f_newton> jay... look, slow down and do a little reading... or just go back to windows [06:56] <jay> Deleted the windows partition. [06:56] <skalpel> that would be nice. [06:57] <dbernar1> jay sudo aptitude install programName...3 seconds, installed [06:57] <levander> jasoncohen: that will make the cd bootable just doing that? [06:57] <f_newton> jay read the instructions before you take the medicine [06:57] <dbernar1> System>Admin>Synaptic---a gui program for installing anything. [06:57] <aru> jay: if you want to msg me I can walk you through the GUI way of doing most things you want in Linux [06:57] <benplaut> dbernar: nah... just apt-get. don't make it too complicated [06:57] <jay> alright [06:57] <f_newton> dont ya just wish you'd taken the blue pill instead sometimes? [06:57] <dbernar1> benplaut: what? I think you have something confused... [06:57] <SquareGuy> hell you can have my windows cd ;) [06:58] <f_newton> lol ive got a few he can have too [06:58] <jay> lol i love the people on this chat [06:58] <jasoncohen> levander, isos are images - usually of bootable disks. you don't have to do anything to make them bootable [06:58] <jay> so very kind =/ [06:58] <f_newton> well we wont be so nice to a windows user... [06:58] <levander> jasoncohen: ah, okay, didn't know [06:58] <f_newton> lol [06:58] <levander> at least jay gave linux a try [06:58] <dbernar1> benplaut: sudo aptitude search|install|remove vs sudo apt-get install|remove apt-cache search, I think the first is easier. [06:58] <f_newton> no he gave up as soon as he ran into something he had to think about [06:58] <jay> That's what I intend to do, I just need to learn the commands etc [06:59] <jay> I mean I don' [06:59] <jay> I don' [06:59] <jay> I don [06:59] <levander> ubuntu should institute a neighborhood linux buddy program for guys like jay [06:59] <jay> gah keyboard lol [06:59] <nickrud> so, jay, you can't boot windows anymore? Is that true? [06:59] <benplaut> dbernar1: don't make him install more than he needs... [06:59] <jay> I don't even know sudo* [06:59] <f_newton> jay... ubuntu is about as plug n play as it gets [06:59] <benplaut> apt-get is fine [06:59] <levander> jay: you know you can have both windows and linux installed on the same computer? [06:59] <jay> I don't have any trace of windows or the cd. [06:59] <dbernar1> benplaut: I dont get your point...is aptitude not installed by default or something? [06:59] <desrt> f_newton; for devices that it supports... [06:59] <JDahl> Is an ssh connection auto killed if it takes up too many ressources? I am running some large jobs remotely, and my job keeps getting killed (the same job ran fine at work a couple of hours ago) [06:59] <levander> but jay, what is it you want to do with Linux but can't? [06:59] <benplaut> no, it isn;t [06:59] <benplaut> AFAIK, anyway [06:59] <f_newton> well it is true I choose my hardware with linux in mind [06:59] <dbernar1> hm. I thought it was. [07:00] <dbernar1> ok, well, good to learn. [07:00] <f_newton> windows will kiss any one [07:00] <f_newton> the whor5e [07:00] <f_newton> ''' [07:00] <jay> Well in instructions, to download most software... [07:00] <nickrud> benplaut, are u sure, I've been using it since day one [07:00] <shammy> i have to install ndiswrapper to get my wifi to work, i just downloaded Linux kernal 2.6.10 for the source, where do i extract the tarball to? /usr/src/linux-2.6.10 ? [07:00] <jay> It says login as root [07:00] <SquareGuy> hmm did i get booted or was my connection flakey? [07:00] <jay> I do not know how to properly use the sudo command. [07:00] <benplaut> nickrud: i thought not, but... if you guys say so... maybe [07:01] <Marble2> How can I disable that stupid warning when I open a .wmv file by double click? [07:01] <f_newton> jay my business forces me to use ms publisher so I even use that on my linux box [07:01] <nickrud> benplaut, I may have got it out of reflex :) [07:01] <dabaR> it is too simple. Just prepend sudo to the command you eed to run as root. [07:01] <levander> jay: don't install software from all over the internet. Just use apt-get from the command line to download from the ubuntu repositories. [07:01] <f_newton> I dont use windows os at all period for any reason [07:01] <dabaR> then it asks for a password, and you type in yours, and thats it. [07:01] <levander> jay: apt-get downloads and installs the programs with just typing one command [07:01] <nickrud> jay, start by reading the following: [07:01] <nickrud> !rootsudo [07:01] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [07:01] <dabaR> for the next 15 minutes, sudo does not ask for a pasword. [07:01] <jasoncohen> shammy, you don't need kernel source, you want kernel-headers and both can be obtained from synaptic/aptp-get [07:01] <benplaut> can someone here with a vanilla install please check if aptitude is installed by default? [07:01] <xaque> or use synaptic, that's a gui program [07:02] <dabaR> it seems it is not, according to ubotu, it is optional. [07:02] <NoHope> hi all [07:02] <levander> jay: actually, newbs are supposed to use synaptic. But, you just click a few buttons, the software downloads and installs automatically even then though. [07:02] <f_newton> as far as I know it is cuz I have it [07:02] <benplaut> ah [07:02] <dabaR> ya, synaptic all the way, I think. [07:02] <NoHope> hey, how can I get gmake from the apt-get? [07:02] <nickrud> benplaut, aptitude is depended on by ubuntu-base, so, it's installed by default [07:02] <jasoncohen> shammy, "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` [07:02] <benplaut> hmm [07:02] <SquareGuy> maybe he can try "sudo apt-get install windows" sorry, couldn't resist [07:02] <ilba7r> jay you can install anysoftware you want without command line <window style installer> press system with your mouse > Adminstration > synaptic [07:02] <levander> NoHope: try 'apt-cache search gmake' see if anything comes up [07:02] <Gorth> guys my xmms freezes whenever i try to play a song [07:02] <nickrud> benplaut, apt-cache rdepends aptitude [07:02] <Gorth> how do i kill it [07:02] <Gorth> it like [07:02] <shammy> jasoncohen: I tried running synaptic, and it wouldn't open, even though an hour or so before it worked fine. I tried running it from terminal and gtk gave me an error saying it cant be displayed, why would that happen? [07:02] <Gorth> own't go away [07:03] <f_newton> hey is there an ubuntu book out there anywhere? [07:03] <ilba7r> its a gui installer, you can also use linux like window [07:03] <f_newton> maybe jay can ... oh I dont know... read the help section manual? [07:03] <jasoncohen> shammy, is it already open [07:03] <levander> jay: as long as you don't have a windows iso, why don't you fire up synaptic to see what you can install? [07:03] <jasoncohen> shammy, ps -ax | grep synaptic [07:03] <benplaut> Gorth: type, in the terminal, xkill, and then click on it's window [07:03] <NoHope> levander, nothing equals... [07:03] <dabaR> benplaut: it turns out it is insatlled on default. [07:03] <Marble2> How can I disable that stupid warning when I open a .wmv file by double click? [07:03] <Gorth> ah [07:03] <dabaR> with xine? [07:03] <Gorth> thanks benplaut [07:03] <aru> !tell jay about !java [07:03] <f_newton> its not xine its any of them [07:04] <Gorth> so what do ya'll recommend for media [07:04] <benplaut> Marble2: set the file type default to something that can open it correctly [07:04] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, you there? [07:04] <aru> doh [07:04] <neoego> hey guys, do you know how I can get the ubuntu administration apps to ask me to login as root, rather than with my normal user password? I turned off my admin privileges for my user account, and now I cant access the admin apps. Is there a simple way to make my computer more like a typical linux box? I've already added a root account. [07:04] <levander> NoHope: go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for it there. Make sure you are search *contents of packages* and *hoary* [07:04] <Gorth> i don't like bulky programs [07:04] <aru> !tell jay about java [07:04] <xaque> gstreamer rocks [07:04] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: sorta [07:04] <Gorth> xmms seemed compact, but it's broken! [07:04] <NoHope> levander, ok. [07:04] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, i hear ya [07:04] <benplaut> Gorth: totem for videos, and i don't listen to music :P [07:04] <Gorth> :D thanks benplaut [07:04] <Marble2> benplaut: it can open it, it just gives me an annoying message... [07:04] <shammy> jasoncohen: for "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`, Where does it get it from? the install disc? [07:04] <xaque> i use my ipod for all music [07:04] <xaque> and totem for movies [07:04] <f_newton> totem-xine totem alone sux [07:04] <levander> NoHope: if it's not there, you're outta luck getting it from an official repository. Could check backports, but I don't use it so don't know how. [07:05] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: what's up? [07:05] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, nadda. i didnt get a chance to setup my radius server, maybe tomorrow [07:05] <jasoncohen> shammy, your apt sources [07:05] <jasoncohen> could be a cd- or network [07:05] <NoHope> levander, oh, maybe it won't be necessary no more... I could use [make] , I'm installing PostgreSQL from source. [07:05] <NoHope> levander, thx. [07:06] <dabaR> well, see ya later. [07:06] <aru> !java [07:06] <ubotu> [java] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [07:06] <levander> NoHope: yeah, make really sounds to me like something that'd be easier from the command line anyway. [07:06] <shammy> jasoncohen: but I don't need a working net connection do I? [07:07] <levander> shammy: it depends on how you're sources.list file is set up, and if the package you want is even on the disc. [07:08] <nickrud> shammy, no, the headers are on the cd that was copied to your disk [07:08] <levander> shammy: yeah, but most people use a working internet connection (like the one you're using to talk in this irc channel) [07:08] <nickrud> hm, repositories, sources, and sections :) [07:09] <shammy> levander: i'm not on ubuntu at the moment, my wifi works fine on windows since it has the drivers. [07:09] <levander> shammy: i think nickrud is more aware of what you're wanting, i'd listen to him, not me [07:09] <nickrud> hah, I thought so, until shammy mentioned wifi :) [07:10] <Sputn1k> after kernel compile, when i starting new kernel i get this: Kernel panic-not syncing :VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) [07:10] <Sputn1k> Where is the problem? [07:10] <shammy> I think i've got it, "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`" [07:10] <nickrud> shammy, yes, that's a well formed command [07:10] <BTJustice> Here is a dumb question I guess. How do I install the latest version of Firefox. I downloaded it but don't know how to install it. [07:10] <skalpel> does anyone else have trouble with strange audio chirps when gnome tries to play sound events overtop of playing music? [07:10] <Gorth> so are there any xmms alternatives? [07:10] <shammy> nickrud: that's because jasoncohen told me it :) [07:11] <levander> Where do we go to see "linux recommended hardware"? Like these wifi cards that everybody's having trouble with. I've got my eyes on an nForce motherboard, but know about nVidia's reputation with the drivers for their graphics cards. [07:11] <nickrud> good source [07:11] <jasoncohen> shammy, not if you have a cd source [07:11] <nickrud> ah sources dispute :P [07:11] <shammy> jasoncohen: what would the command be if I'm using the cd as the source? [07:11] <levander> BTJustice: I'd remove whatever you downloaded and do 'sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox' [07:11] <deprave_> hi, a have a crap load of terminals open on one screen for irc etc, is there a program that keeps all of these terminals like, coagulated and you just click on tabs or something to swtich to and from different terminals? [07:12] <nickrud> shammy, use the same one. That is an accurate way to get the headers for your installed kernel [07:12] <levander> deprave_: i think you want a program called screens [07:12] <deprave_> no i'm using screens, i don't want something to keep them all detached [07:12] <jasoncohen> shammy, well, what dose "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` . it might actually be in your apt cache in which case it'll just install from there [07:12] <levander> deprave_: but gterm has tabs if that's what you want [07:12] <jasoncohen> *does [07:12] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file? [07:13] <shammy> jasoncohen: but it would work either way, right> [07:13] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, if you try to install a package that's available on the CD and on network sources, which will apt prefer? [07:13] <sproingie> deprave_: gterm and konsole both have tabs. konsole you can use shift and the arrow keys to navigate them, dunno for gterm [07:13] <levander> deprave_: actually, think it's called gnome-terminal, not gterm [07:13] <jasoncohen> shammy, should...i never install off the cd. i have broadband [07:13] <drcode> hi al [07:13] <drcode> all [07:13] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: CD [07:14] <drcode> how I can mount .cue + .bin file? [07:14] <bimberi> jasoncohen: if the latest version is on the cd it will install from there [07:14] <JDahl> deprave_, I think fluxbox is famous for uncluttering terminals using a taskbar or something [07:14] <Amaranth> drcode: Stop downloading illegal movies and/or applications. :P (bin2iso or bchunk) [07:14] <shammy> well nickrud said it would work, so i'll go try it [07:14] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file? [07:15] <drcode> thanx [07:15] <deprave_> ok i will try out konsole thanks sproingie [07:15] <xkuseme> can someone help me? ubuntu keeps freezing on my is that known problem? [07:15] <nickrud> shammy, first, let me look at your /etc/apt/sources.list (I'm sorta at work, I've missed all but your last message) [07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> xkuseme: when does it freeze? [07:16] <levander> xkuseme: too vague of description. We'd need to know more. Maybe check /var/log/syslog to see if you can find anything out? [07:16] <xkuseme> Kamping_Kaiser: haven't found a pattern yet [07:16] <xkuseme> levander: i need to reboot first [07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. are you running Hoary? [07:16] <xkuseme> levander: Kamping_Kaiser only mouse is working [07:16] <levander> xkuseme: why? just open the file [07:17] <levander> xkuseme: ah, i see [07:17] <xkuseme> levander: it froze [07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> xkuseme: kill x [07:17] <pestilence> sproingie: you can set the keystroke preferences in gnome's terminal to be identical to konsole's [07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ctrl+alt+backspace [07:17] <levander> xkuseme: how are you typing into this channel if your keyboard doesn't work? [07:17] <xkuseme> Kamping_Kaiser:evetything is frozen [07:17] <xkuseme> levander: i am on the laptop [07:17] <levander> xkuseme: ah okay, go ahead and reboot [07:17] <jasoncohen> shammy, it didn't work? [07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> xkuseme: so you cant kill x? [07:17] <xkuseme> levander: ok rebooting now [07:18] <xkuseme> Kamping_Kaiser: no keyboard is completely useless [07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh [07:18] <levander> xkuseme: you've ever read a log file before? [07:18] <levander> xkuseme: if not, it's gonna take some patience to read and figure out the format [07:18] <xkuseme> levander: yes, but not very experienced to be honest [07:18] <xkuseme> levander: this is a pretty new install, only 3 days old [07:19] <levander> xkuseme: well, just try to figure out where the logging in that file started for the reboot your doing on it now, then look just above it to see if you notice any error messages. [07:19] <[Spooky] > levander: swedish ? :) [07:19] <BTJustice> It says Firefox is already the latest version which it isn;t since the one on here is 1.0.2 [07:19] <xkuseme> levander: ok i am back in now [07:19] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file? [07:19] <levander> [Spooky] : no, I'm an American who stereotypically only speaks English, sorry. [07:19] <skalpel> where is the linux kernel located in ubuntu? [07:19] <levander> xkuseme: 'less /var/log/syslog' [07:20] <nickrud> skalpel, with extreeeme carefulness :) [07:20] <levander> skalpel: /boot/vmlinux??????? - question marks represent characters I don't remember [07:20] <[Spooky] > levander: ok you have like a common used nick... here in sweden hehe [07:20] <BTJustice> levandar: refox is already the latest version which it isn;t since the one on here is 1.0.2 [07:20] <levander> [Spooky] : really, I had no idea it was common in Sweden. [07:21] <skalpel> does anyone know if the ubuntu kernel has the vesafb-tng patch written in? [07:21] <xkuseme> levander: less /var/log/syslog only tells me [2] 8164 [07:21] <nickrud> BTJustice, the security repository for ubuntu has 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 [07:21] <levander> BTJustice: you've haven't 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'. The latest firefox in the repositories is 1.0.6 [07:22] <levander> xkuseme: there's only one linux in your /var/log/syslog?? [07:22] <BTJustice> Let me try that command, brb. [07:22] <levander> only one line* [07:22] <xkuseme> levander: yes [07:22] <levander> BTJustice: that's gonna put all the latest security updates and bug fixes on your system. [07:22] <nickrud> BTJustice, you need to have security in your repositories for tos commands to work [07:22] <levander> BTJustice: you're supposed to run that command periodically to get those on your system. [07:23] <levander> xkuseme: check /var/log/syslog.0 [07:23] <xkuseme> levander: no i mean if i view the entire file not. but for "less /var/log/syslog" [07:23] <levander> xkuseme: I don't understand. [07:23] <levander> xkuseme: you can explain again what you mean? [07:23] <xkuseme> http://rafb.net/paste/results/vrj47t41.html [07:24] <xkuseme> levander: can you look at this? [07:24] <BTJustice> thanks [07:24] <levander> xkuseme: looking [07:24] <Trace> Hello, Does Ubuntu contain gpart? [07:24] <Trace> Actually, I think gpart is a very useful tool and i try to find gpart in Ubuntu but with no luck [07:24] <benplaut> Trace: not by deafult [07:24] <benplaut> install it with Synaptic [07:24] <bimberi> Trace: it's available in the universe repository [07:25] <nickrud> Trace, yes, try gparted [07:26] <strykewulf> hey guys if i restart will i have to turn apache back on? [07:26] <strykewulf> hey guys if i restart will i have to turn apache back on? [07:27] <Trace> nickrud, gparted is not the same with gpart, am i right? [07:27] <Madpilot> they seem to be 2 different apps [07:27] <levander> xkuseme: you know about how long your system had been frozen before restarting? [07:27] <Trace> Does gpart have any GUI? or does it run just in terminal? [07:27] <Madpilot> speaking of which, will gparted work gracefully with SATA drives? [07:27] <nickrud> hm, I think that gparted is a gnome frontend to gpart [07:27] <levander> Trace: I think it's gparted [07:27] <BTJustice> That says there are 0 packages to upgrade. HTGat makes no sense since the latest Firefox is 1.0.6 and hte installed one in Ubuntu is 1.0.2 [07:28] <xkuseme> levander: the first time about a min then i rebooted and the second time same at most 2 min. [07:28] <nickrud> BTJustice, how about posting your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin [07:28] <BTJustice> What is pastebin? You mean paste it here? [07:28] <levander> Anybody know what a /dev/vcs? or /dev/vca? file is for? It's from xkuseme syslog paste [07:29] <xkuseme> levander: the only thing that changed since i have this problem is that i tried to set up mutt. i got fetchmailconf with aptitude and configured it. after running that i was getting this, i don't know if that has anyting to do with it [07:29] <nickrud> BTJustice, I mean, I have 1.0.6 :) [07:29] <pestilence> Trace: gparted is graphical [07:30] <levander> xkuseme: i'm thinking it's usb, let me keep looking [07:30] <Trace> pestilence, thx, let me install it first. [07:31] <xkuseme> levander: only usb device connected is mouse [07:31] <BTJustice> nickrud: So how do I get it? [07:32] <Madpilot> !pastebin [07:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood [07:32] <Madpilot> BTJustice: see ubotu's post [07:33] <levander> xkuseme: you can paste /var/log/syslog.0 also? [07:33] <nickrud> BTJustice, replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 [07:34] <BTJustice> Done. [07:34] <nickrud> then, sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade [07:34] <BTJustice> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/328144 [07:34] <noname_> Uhh [07:34] <noname_> I just ran Quake3 and for some reason it fucked my resolution [07:34] <nickrud> I rest my case [07:34] <noname_> brb [07:34] <melio> is the amd64 build well supported with software? [07:35] <melio> specificly multimedia stuff [07:35] <Burgundavia> melio, most of the free stuff is there [07:35] <Burgundavia> melio, w32codecs does not exist, nor does flash [07:35] <melio> oh no flash [07:35] <melio> bummer [07:35] <f_newton> pretty much the same as fc4 [07:35] <blackgecko> anyone knows what do i have to do to get rid of configure: error: termcap support not found [07:35] <melio> should I just get the i386 stuff? [07:35] <xkuseme> levander: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/914 [07:36] <sproingie> flash works fine on the 32 bit firefox [07:36] <sproingie> you want to do a lot of multimedia stuff, you may as well just run a 32 bit dist tho [07:36] <melio> sproingie, i'm just gonna do 32bit [07:36] <melio> never mind the 64bit till they do more work with it [07:36] <concept10> f_newton, you brought Melio to Ubuntu land? [07:36] <darmou> does anyone know about the sys logs and where they go, I know in debian syslogs get sent to root is that the case with ubuntu? [07:36] <f_newton> yep [07:36] <concept10> Great! [07:36] <melio> concept10, I'm a slut [07:36] <sproingie> the 64 bit works fine, just some individual apps don't [07:36] <f_newton> lol [07:36] <melio> I try everything [07:37] <f_newton> yeah he was easy [07:37] <concept10> heh [07:37] <sproingie> macrodobe doesn't have flash for amd64 for instance. ghc also sucks on amd64, but i doubt you need that [07:37] <concept10> Has anyone tried OOo 2.0 beta yet with Hoary? [07:37] <melio> sproingie, I'm just gonna use i386 [07:37] <f_newton> OOo beta sux dude [07:38] <f_newton> I am glad to see ubuntu still has a stable version [07:38] <darmou> when will the new ver of oo be released? [07:38] <concept10> f_newton, you dont like it? is it unstable? [07:38] <nickrud> once only, because I do my work with openoffice [07:38] <sproingie> ubuntu more or less only has a stable version, the "unstable" is more like debian experimental [07:38] <skalpel> does anyone have any advice for cleaning up the inter-action between gnome and my sound server? it seems choppy and chirpy. [07:38] <concept10> sproingie, the unstable is in the repos [07:39] <concept10> f_newton, You just hit a great point [07:39] <melio> ubuntu has gnome/kde choices at install time right? [07:39] <grover> and when they say unstable, they mean it [07:39] <sproingie> concept10: yes it is, but when ubuntu says unstable it means it, whereas you can get away with running sid most of the time [07:39] <levander> xkuseme: it looks like you didn't have this problem yesterday? [07:39] <blackgecko> anyone knows what do i have to do to get rid of configure: error: termcap support not found im trying to install asterisk [07:39] <BTJustice> So how do I update Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 correctly? [07:39] <grover> melio: no, if you want kde get kubuntu [07:39] <xkuseme> levander: correct, first time today [07:39] <melio> grover, I want gnome [07:39] <sproingie> you do not need kubuntu for kde [07:39] <sproingie> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [07:39] <nickrud> melio, no, you can get the ubuntu disk, or the kubuntu disk; that's what you'll install. after install, you can have both [07:40] <concept10> f_newton, I never installed FC4, it looks nice but seems to have stability issues [07:40] <xkuseme> levander: do you see anything odd in the file? [07:40] <melio> kde bothers me like a little sister with too many toys and she leaves em in the hall way and I step on the barbie heads and she screams and yells at me [07:40] <sproingie> works from vanilla ubuntu just fine [07:40] <f_newton> concept10, fc4 sux horribly [07:40] <f_newton> at first it runs great then it degrades [07:40] <nickrud> melio, best description of kde I've heard [07:40] <sproingie> mmm like windows [07:40] <skalpel> i noticed that the kubuntu install of kde seemed to look better than using install kubuntu-desktop. anyone have an idea of why? [07:40] <f_newton> Ive had to install it about 11 times since it came out [07:40] <melio> nickrud, lol [07:40] <skalpel> does anyone have any advice for cleaning up the inter-action between gnome and my sound server? it seems choppy and chirpy. [07:40] <concept10> f_newton, have you had any problems with ubuntu yet? [07:40] <skalpel> can i make my music player have priority over sound events in gnome? [07:41] <f_newton> none to really speak of [07:41] <sproingie> f_newton: i was going to try fc4, but the damn installer for it doesn't even support the most common onboard NIC amd64 users have (forcedeth) [07:41] <f_newton> some problems with early cxoffice version [07:41] <nickrud> skalpel, you can turn off sound events, if that's what you mean [07:41] <melio> sproingie, my onobard nick works in it [07:41] <melio> sproingie, msi motherboard [07:41] <skalpel> nickrud: well no, i like the sound events, i just do not want them to interrupt my music player [07:41] <f_newton> the problem with fedora is the people in charge in my opinion.... this is not a fact so dont take it as gospel [07:41] <sproingie> f_newton: then i find they don't have anything like dist-upgrade, you're expected to just reinstall when fc5 comes out to get the new base configuration [07:41] <nickrud> skalpel, not going to happen, all sounds are equal [07:41] <levander> xkuseme: yeah, I'm preparing a paste for you now [07:42] <sproingie> melio: asus motherboard. nvidia chipset. a good half of all amd64 motherboards i'd say [07:42] <melio> I think fedora is more like running a beta. then they want to admit [07:42] <f_newton> sproingie any upgrading is done at your own risk with usually bad results regardless of os ...windows mac or linux [07:42] <skalpel> nickrud: ok. i guess that is a good thing in the long run [07:42] <melio> sproingie, via chipset here [07:42] <xkuseme> levander: cool thanks [07:42] <sproingie> f_newton: naw, it's usually seamless with debian [07:42] <concept10> f_newton, I agree with that, thats in my opinion also, although Red Hat contributes alot to GNOME [07:42] <BTJustice> So how do I update Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 correctly? [07:42] <melio> sproingie, I was actually afraid of nvidia chipsets when they came out for amd64 [07:42] <bluefoxicy> Real friggin' cute. [07:42] <melio> sproingie, dono why. just fraidy cat I guess [07:42] <bluefoxicy> the lights on cable modems are typically hooked up as passthrough for the data line, and LEDs have a very short rise/fall time for energizing, so they almost perfectly represent the bitstream of the transmissions. Very nice. [07:43] <f_newton> yeah gnome is the big reason ive stuck with redhat [07:43] <concept10> BTJustice, disable backports and then uprade [07:43] <bluefoxicy> in other words [07:43] <BTJustice> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/ [07:43] <Burgundavia> sproingie, the upgrade path in ubuntu is about the best on any distro I have seen, but is far from perfect [07:43] <sproingie> melio: they work dandy. i'm astonished fc4's installer doesn't support them [07:43] <f_newton> do you know how happy I am to find a debian based gnome distro? [07:43] <BTJustice> concept10: How do I do that? [07:43] <melio> sproingie, that is kinda odd actually. [07:43] <bluefoxicy> if I want your IRC password (plaintext sent when you /identify), I could just use a telescope and some computer hardware I'd hack up, and have it read your cable modem's lights ;P [07:43] <sproingie> Burgundavia: the upgrade mechanism comes from debian. naturally it ain't perfect [07:43] <bluefoxicy> very nice :P [07:43] <skalpel> is there a way i can set a delay for programs loading on startup until after the desktop background has been set? [07:43] <melio> mabye fedora's coders don't got the boards so they don't know how to support em [07:43] <Burgundavia> sproingie, mostly you just need to iron out changes in programs [07:44] <concept10> BTJustice, comment the backports repos in /etc/apt/sources.list or just un-check them in the repos section in Synaptic [07:44] <f_newton> I am gonna run n get a burger...bbiaf [07:44] <melio> f_newton, run and get a salad for me [07:44] <concept10> f_newton, where you going? [07:44] <BTJustice> How do you comment? I am a n00b. [07:44] <f_newton> melio ask questions...visit the ubuntu site etc check it out first but I love it so far [07:44] <melio> but yet I'm lazy and ask people to get me food [07:44] <melio> :P [07:44] <melio> f_newton, I will. thanks [07:45] <nickrud> BTJustice, may I pm you? [07:45] <BTJustice> sure [07:45] <f_newton> concept10, probably jack in the box why??? you out running around? [07:45] <concept10> put a # in front of the repo [07:45] <levander> xkuseme: I don't know how to fix it, but this information will probably help in your research http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/916 [07:45] <f_newton> if yer free concept10 I can take suggestions [07:45] <concept10> f_newton, I need to make a food run myself, I just woke up [07:45] <blackgecko> anyone knows what do i have to do to get rid of configure: error: termcap support not found im trying to install asterisk [07:45] <levander> Anybody else who wants to look at it, it's a fairly neat summary of xkuseme's problem [07:45] <f_newton> well ya wanna find a close dennys halfway or something? [07:46] <f_newton> or whatever? [07:46] <haffe> Hi, does anybody have the time to help me with fglrx? [07:46] <sproingie> haffe: laptop or desktop? [07:46] <haffe> desktop [07:46] <levander> blackgecko: 'echo $TERM', what's it say? [07:46] <f_newton> I got gas in the car n cash in my pocket [07:46] <sproingie> haffe: fire away, maybe i can help [07:46] <Burgundavia> haffe, have you look at wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ? [07:46] <concept10> f_newton, maybe later this week we may meetup, I have to get up early, I might just make a sandwich [07:46] <f_newton> ok yer choice [07:46] <concept10> Okay. [07:46] <f_newton> then Im headed to jack in the box [07:47] <blackgecko> levander: xterm [07:47] <sproingie> haffe: oh yah, definitely look at BinaryDriverHowto first :) [07:47] <f_newton> my stomach is making this funny growling noise [07:47] <concept10> heh [07:47] <f_newton> bbiaf [07:47] <skalpel> f_newton: punch it a couple times [07:47] <f_newton> no way [07:47] <levander> actually blackgecko, that error may be saying you don't have the termcap libraries installed on your system? [07:47] <skalpel> is there a way i can set a delay for programs loading on startup until after the desktop background has been set? [07:47] <xkuseme> levander: thanks, i am looking thru it [07:48] <haffe> sproingie, Now I have. [07:48] <concept10> blackgecko, you might want to try the asterisk channel [07:48] <levander> blackgecko: i'd try 'apt-cache search termcap' to see if anything comes up [07:48] <levander> xkuseme: or use synaptic, which is the ubuntu recommended way of looking for it [07:48] <toad3030> there anybody that can help me with p2p and my mouse pls, nobody in #cedega [07:48] <blackgecko> levander: yeah but all ive found with apt-cache search termcap was termcap-compat and is installed [07:48] <Burgundavia> skalpel, why do you want to do that? [07:48] <xkuseme> levander: use synaptic for what [07:49] <levander> xkuseme: no, sorry, that was meant for blackgecko [07:49] <PurpleMotion> (AOL voice) You've got movies. [07:49] <PurpleMotion> be back y'all [07:49] <haffe> My problem is that I have installed the drivers, changed my xorg.conf, but when I restart I get the following. http://pastebin.com/328148 [07:49] <melio> concept10, hey dude [07:49] <concept10> melio, hey.. whats going on [07:49] <melio> concept10, I'm scared to install ubuntu. [07:50] <concept10> melio, why? [07:50] <toad3030> exit [07:50] <concept10> melio, do you have broadband? [07:50] <melio> well I'm worried I won't beable to run java and mp3 players and dvd n stuff [07:50] <melio> yeah I got broadband [07:50] <levander> blackgecko: try reading the documentation inclued with the distribution of asterik to see if there's some termcap library you need. And if so, where can you download it. Also, can do searchs on packages.ubuntu.com that are more extensive than 'apt-cache search' for termcap [07:50] <skalpel> burgundavia: i have xchat set to use transparency but it does not work when i have it startup with gnome because it starts before the background gets set. [07:50] <melio> I wanna use the illegal mp3 codecs n stuff [07:50] <regeya> guh. [07:50] <melio> and the united states goverment doesnt let linux be free [07:51] <melio> lol [07:51] <concept10> melio, you will be able to do all of that if you want [07:51] <melio> ok so does it use repositories? [07:51] <levander> mmmmm, melio, how does the united states govt not let linux be free? [07:51] <melio> it's not rpm based right? [07:51] <psychonate> debian-based [07:51] <regeya> melio: add multiverse to your sources.list if you want to take responsibility for that [07:51] <blackgecko> levander: thank you ill try that its the first time i get stuck installing it, ive done in other distros but this time i just get lost (not an ubuntu user) [07:51] <skalpel> burgundavia: can you help me? [07:51] <xkuseme> levander: is there a xorg log file? [07:51] <melio> regeya, way over my head man [07:51] <concept10> melio, Yes. it uses repos but not rpms [07:51] <melio> so it uses source? [07:51] <levander> xkuseme: i'll look... [07:52] <melio> does it compile everything like gentoo or something? [07:52] <concept10> melio, .debs are precompiled [07:52] <Madpilot> !repos [07:52] <Burgundavia> skalpel, sorry, I have no idea how to do that [07:52] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [07:52] <regeya> there's a handy howto on the ubuntu wiki, don't remember where [07:52] <regeya> it's not strictly illegal, though it's shady [07:52] <regeya> ianal [07:52] <levander> xkuseme: yeah, look in /var/log for all your system log files [07:52] <Madpilot> melio: see ubotu's post for more information on Ubuntu's repos [07:52] <melio> debs are the packages for debian right? [07:52] <Madpilot> ^^^ [07:52] <skalpel> can someoen tell me how to add a delay to a startup program in gnome? [07:52] <levander> melio: yes [07:52] <melio> are they better then rpm? [07:52] <Madpilot> !mp3 [07:52] <ubotu> mp3 is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [07:52] <melio> or just a clone of [07:52] <Burgundavia> skalpel, you are actually running against what the devs are doing, because they are trying to parallelize the process [07:53] <levander> skalpel: try #gnome, apparently no one here knows [07:53] <concept10> melio, I promise you, you will enjoy .debs better than .rpms, they configure and install much cleaner [07:53] <melio> I'm guessing if you build a package manager. you try to beat the competition :P [07:53] <melio> concept10, excellent [07:53] <concept10> melio, what kind of box do you have? [07:53] <melio> I'm just sick of "hat everything" [07:53] <redtech__> what is the linux way to share directories? not with/for windows. Or is the use of samba just the easiest? [07:53] <melio> concept10, amd64 2.0ghz 1gig ram, 200gig hd [07:54] <jasoncohen> melio, they are better at handling dependencies because debs all for conflicts and dependencies as well as recommends and suggests. the quality of deb packages and the apt-get system/synaptic is probably the best package management system available in linux [07:54] <melio> geforce 6800 [07:54] <levander> xkuseme: /var/log/kern.log may have the reason you're freezing too. It's the kernels private log. [07:54] <batman> Hi, I need some tips on Nautilus, pm me plz !! [07:54] <jasoncohen> *debs allow for [07:54] <melio> jasoncohen, thanks [07:54] <concept10> melio, the install will take 25 mins or less, let'er rip [07:54] <melio> I appreicate a person who can type and not get kicked by a floodbot [07:54] <jasoncohen> melio, i loved apt-get after transferring from mandake. synaptic is much better than the gui crap in mandrake [07:54] <sproingie> uh, deb doesn't handle deps any more than rpm does [07:54] <jasoncohen> faster, more powerful and easier to use [07:54] <levander> redtech__: nfs is an alternative that's supposed to be faster than samba. But, when connecting with Windows machine, samba is supposed to be more stable. [07:54] <melio> 89% complete on the download [07:54] <sproingie> please don't conflate .deb with apt [07:54] <concept10> redtech__, why are you logged in three times? [07:55] <melio> and rod stewart is streaming. (I refuse to say podcast) [07:55] <jasoncohen> melio, sproingie is right. you can use apt with rpm packages [07:55] <redtech__> my laptop just died. one shuold ping out. and I forgot to logout from work =) [07:55] <auk> hmm, could someone please explain to me or give me a link to the philosophy behind nto adding new features to software in repositories after a distro release? [07:55] <melio> yeah I'v used apt with rpm [07:55] <redtech__> levander, thanks [07:55] <melio> auk: that's opensource [07:55] <Ianpeters> hello, can anyone help me with Nautilus? [07:55] <levander> auk: so that you can have more features after the release [07:56] <sproingie> auk: stability. you cannot guarantee that the API didn't change between patchlevels. hell, the linux kernel is notorious for it [07:56] <nickrud> auk, basically, stable means even the bugs stay: you work around them, because they're dependable [07:56] <melio> concept10, do you accept the terminology of "podcast" [07:56] <xkuseme> levander: in the kernel log is there anything that i shouldn't paste into a forum? [07:56] <melio> you do realize it's apple marketing that deems anything streaming as a podcast. and only media refers to as that [07:56] <auk> sproingie: is not it mroe work to create a complete new version, integratign security features only? [07:56] <sproingie> auk: by not adding feature releases, you can focus on patching the existing release instead of letting third party developers use the stable system as a playground [07:56] <concept10> melio, yeah for the CNN crowd or people that are into market buzzwords [07:56] <melio> cnn crowd uses MACS [07:56] <melio> they belive in apple buzz words [07:57] <levander> xkuseme: no idea, i don't think so, only thing i'd be worried about is networking daemons config, and maybe their logging [07:57] <melio> because they're stupid [07:57] <windex> auk, the primary reason is that it makes it easier to split up in-development tasks. you set a goal for the next release, and try to hit that goal. if you try to backport all your changes to the last version, it's more problems than it's worth, imho. [07:57] <sproingie> auk: security patches tend to be released separately for most major apps [07:57] <levander> xkuseme: i'm gonna have to go to bed soon. It's very late in the USA. [07:57] <melio> windex.. dude [07:57] <auk> sproingie: seperately of what? [07:57] <concept10> Ianpeters, what is your problem [07:57] <sproingie> auk: but yeah sometimes it's a bit gratuitous. firefox is like that. but the funny thing is, they just updated firefox to a non-security release with features ... and it broke [07:57] <sproingie> auk: separately from feature releases [07:57] <auk> windex: i am not talkign about core thigns, liek kernel etc [07:57] <auk> gtg [07:58] <melio> windoex same windex on efnet right? [07:58] <windex> melio, i sell dell's. did you need one? [07:58] <auk> sorry, i'll be back later [07:58] <melio> windex: efnet? [07:58] <windex> erm, not really? [07:58] <sproingie> auk: backports deals with feature releases, and it's now an official project [07:58] <melio> oh ok I know your counterpart :P [07:58] <windex> i am windex.org windex. [07:58] <Ianpeters> concept10, is there a way to NOT have Nautilus resize to a small window everytime you start it? [07:58] <levander> Is it the impression that the fedora guys have to deal with more problems because they release new functionality into their released version? [07:58] <sproingie> fedora's newer, is all [07:58] <windex> k, afk -- gotta move keyboard to other box temp. [07:58] <melio> he's the ownedbywindex.com guy [07:59] <jasoncohen> sproingie, yeah but the security team is using the new upstream release for firefox products because it's so damn difficult to backport the security fixes and there are so many of them and so often [07:59] <sproingie> and frankly, fedora's got a lot more interesting tech, like selinux [07:59] <levander> sproingie: so, there's no perceived benefit of freezing features in the industry? [07:59] <sproingie> 'course the gimped installer and the lack of dist-upgrade kept me from fedora [07:59] <jasoncohen> sproingie, that's why warty's firefox never got patched...it received fixes for 53 CVE's last week! [07:59] <levander> fedora's been around longer, ubuntu's working on some neat things [07:59] <melio> only a subaru owner would read Drive [07:59] <melio> lol [07:59] <TheSham> could anyone in here help me with ndiswrapper? everyone in it's channel has been idle for atleast 8 hours. I've installed it but can't get the drivers installed [07:59] <nickrud> sproingie, if you're willing to be a testbed, fedora seems ok [07:59] <sproingie> levander: feature freezes are a way of life in the industry. they're a novelty in the open source world [08:00] <concept10> Ianpeters, small window? im not sure about that.. I do not see any options [08:00] <levander> sproingie: but if fedora seems no less stable than ubuntu, what's the point? [08:00] <sproingie> levander: the linux kernel itself is the worst offender. a 0.0.1 release will make drastic changes to API's [08:00] <concept10> TheSham, what card do you have [08:00] <levander> sproingie: ah, didn't know that about the kernel [08:00] <Ianpeters> concept10, neither do I but it's irritating that nautilus doesn't remember windowsize....or have I missed something? [08:00] <jasoncohen> levander, is fedora actually that stable? [08:00] <TheSham> it's a usb adapet, netgear WG111 [08:00] <lenoxmo> fiona [08:00] <lenoxmo> ups [08:00] <Shish> What's the grub command line option to set runlevel? I want to be able to choose "boot to X" or "boot to multi-user text" from grub, but I can only get X and single-user text :| [08:01] <skalpel> how do i install a windows border theme? [08:01] <sproingie> levander: it's stable, but how stable does it remain over time, and how easy is it to maintain over time, that's the question [08:01] <concept10> Ianpeters, increase the default zoom [08:01] <levander> jasoncohen: no idea, i've never used it. Was going to try it, but noticed the support community on the internet is much better for ubuntu than fedora. [08:01] <concept10> Ianpeters, do you mean spatial ? [08:01] <Razor-X> hmmmm [08:01] <Razor-X> I can't edit my XFce settings [08:01] <sproingie> levander: fc4 didn't even support the last kernel revision to support fglrx just before release. i've no idea whether it made it in by release time or not [08:02] <levander> jasoncohen: not only #ubuntu vs. #fedora, but also #debian vs. #rhel. I got to debian sometimes for questions. #rhel is flat dead. [08:02] <jasoncohen> the problem with fedora is that their base of packages is quite small - extras and main. many packages must be gotten from unoffiicial and often conflicting sources. mp3 support from livna which conflicts with dag which has openvpn, webmin which conflicts with axel (which is generally horrible) that has nessus and myth etc. [08:02] <anwar> hi, why does my resolv.conf keep changing after some time?sometimes i can't acess the net because of it.i used pppoeconf to connect to the net btw. [08:02] <TheSham> concept10: I downloaded the reccomended driver, but my problem is this, When I try to open ndiswrapper under util, nothing happens and when I run it in a terminal it immediately dissapears. I'm not sure how it works, i'm assuming since there is no actual app open that it is a service, so i tried ndiswrapper -i <filename> and I get ndiswrapper not a command [08:02] <sproingie> jasoncohen: oh god yes, i forgot about that mess [08:02] <levander> sproingie: but the way they do things, can't they release fglrx after they make their release? [08:02] <HrdwrBoB> anwar: DHCP will change it [08:02] <Ianpeters> concept10, no, not spatial. I mean, whenever I open Nautilus it's resized to a small window. I want it to start maximized [08:02] <jasoncohen> levander, the people in #debian are very knowledgable but also often very arrogant, unhelpful and mean [08:02] <HrdwrBoB> anwar: and ppp connections that set the DNS [08:02] <concept10> TheSham, ndiswrapper is a driver wrapper [08:03] <deprave_> hihihi! [08:03] <sproingie> levander: fat lot of good it does me if it doesn't work tho [08:03] <Burgundavia> levander, releasing a new fglrx may require kernel changes, etc. [08:03] <concept10> !ndiswrapper [08:03] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [08:03] <levander> anwar: dhclient.conf changes it. Maybe you're losing your DHCP lease, and it has to be regotten? [08:03] <Razor-X> hmmm, yeah, my XFce is being stupid [08:03] <gpd> Razor-X: xfce is stupid. [08:03] <levander> jasoncohen: yeah, I've seen that. But, really, I've never had a problem with them. Might be that I'm pretty thick skinned? [08:03] <concept10> Ianpeters, Oh, okay, I have no idea on how to do that [08:03] <sproingie> Burgundavia: god knows every patchlevel to the kernel requires fglrx changes. they just rearranged the agp and pci api for whatever reason between 2.6.10 and 2.6.12 [08:03] <Razor-X> gpd: I liked it on my other distros [08:03] <Ianpeters> ok thx [08:03] <anwar> HrdwrBoB: it's all ok on startup but I suddenly noticed that I can't browse or do anything and when I check the resolv.conf I don't see my dns servers there.i only see 10.0.0.138(my gateway ip) [08:04] <jasoncohen> sproingie, fc4 got horrible reviews for multimedia - crappy sound problems (crackling with sblive) and very severe issues even getting DVDs to play [08:04] <Burgundavia> sproingie, linus and co don't care about binary drivers. It is too hard to support them [08:04] <TheSham> concept10: I've been following the wiki and all is good up to this point, except the next step says use ndiswrapper tool to install the driver with "ndiswrapper -i filename.inf", i tried that in a terminal and i get "ndiswrapper is not a command", or something to that affect [08:04] <levander> sproingie: so, basically, your criticism of fedora isn't there release model, but that they don't stay on top of getting some applications packaged that you think they should? [08:04] <sproingie> Burgundavia: apparently he doesn't even care about the source parts of drivers, since he can't keep an API stable between *patchlevels* [08:04] <anwar> levander:maybe, how do i fix it? [08:04] <melio> levander, repository wars don't help [08:05] <levander> jasoncohen: that about fc4 does make it sound like redhat's not staying on top of things with fedora [08:05] <concept10> TheSham, did you install or compile _ndiswrapper_ ? [08:05] <melio> levander, OS is fine, patches are slow [08:05] <sproingie> Burgundavia: i'm not asking for a stable abi, but a stable source level api between 0.0.x revisions isn't too much to ask for [08:05] <levander> melio: i'm not starting a war, i'm trying to get an opinion. [08:05] <nickrud> linux 2.6, the unstable one. [08:05] <melio> levander, noo. There's Wars amongst repositories.. some will break your os [08:06] <levander> anwar: not sure, sorry, just thought it would help to maybe help you localize your problem [08:06] <melio> levander, repo owners tend to fight. and one standard doesnt pass to another repo. so it'll trash your box [08:06] <f_newton> yeah [08:06] <melio> so you gotta know. first hand. who runs the good repos with fedora. or your Os will crap out. period [08:06] <Razor-X> hmmm, can anyone help me get XFce running? [08:06] <levander> melio: what are you talking about? [08:06] <melio> inside knowledge like that .. is not posted anywhere either [08:06] <f_newton> the infighting with fc4 right now reminds me of a debian chat room [08:06] <concept10> levander, that is a true statement that melio said... Thats why I like ubuntu, everything is consolidated [08:06] <TheSham> concept10: yes, I did, I followed the install wiki and compiled it into the kernel source. although on the make I got a couple errors saying gcc command not found, or whatever the error is [08:06] <anwar> levander:ok thanks. btw dhclient.conf is empty [08:06] <melio> levander, do you know what repositories are? [08:06] <levander> melio: oh, fedora has repository wars, now I understand. [08:06] <melio> ok [08:07] <melio> But it's an inside politics gig thing [08:07] <concept10> TheSham, that means you didnt compile it [08:07] <sproingie> hm, there's badly maintained debs as well, giving you only one source to screw things up [08:07] <stian> what was the command to show program and cpu usage? [08:07] <concept10> TheSham, you need build-essential [08:07] <melio> you gotta be cool with the concept that repos are ran by people, and people don't follow standards [08:07] <levander> melio: all I use is official ubuntu repositories here, not even backports. I'd probably do the same if I went to fedora with redhat repositories. [08:07] <sproingie> ghci for example. segfaults on startup [08:07] <f_newton> yeah they are after some grand glorious Im head cheese award or something [08:07] <melio> levander, see that's important.. offical ubuntu means something [08:07] <melio> offical fedora repos don't supply ALL the software [08:07] <jasoncohen> levander, ubuntu has a HUGE advantage over RH [08:07] <jasoncohen> levander, over fedora i mean [08:07] <levander> melio: they don't have official Red Hat repositories for fedora? [08:07] <melio> yes they do [08:08] <concept10> TheSham, this is a better wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto [08:08] <levander> jasoncohen: okay, what is this huge advantage? [08:08] <melio> but they only support very little software on them [08:08] <TheSham> concept10: what is build-essential? the wiki said make distclean, make, make install should compile and install both the kernel module and userspcae utilities [08:08] <Shish> stian: top shows an updating table of processes which is good to glance at, ps is more flexible for specific detail [08:08] <f_newton> debian based? [08:08] <jasoncohen> levander, debian [08:08] <f_newton> heh [08:08] <sproingie> debian is its own blessing and curse [08:08] <melio> levander, a full install of fedora is about what you will find on offical fedora repos [08:08] <jasoncohen> levander, ubuntu can take any of debian's 16,000+ packages and all they have to do is slightly modify the dependencies [08:08] <grover> how is it a curse? [08:08] <levander> melio: that's fuckin scarry. I assumed that Red Hat's fedora repositories would be a lot like ubuntu's repositories. [08:08] <melio> levander, additional things that popup later will most likly be on the next release cycle [08:08] <concept10> TheSham, review that... You must have development tools to be able to compile it [08:09] <levander> jasoncohen: good point [08:09] <levander> melio: oh, that is bad. [08:09] <melio> levander, I wouldnt know the differnce. I just now finished the 32bit version install cd. so I dono :P [08:09] <jasoncohen> levander, fedora has about 1800 packages...ubuntu has 16000 [08:09] <f_newton> heh I took a rh rpm and used alien (thanks to concept10) and made it a ubuntu deb package [08:09] <melio> levander, add the wrong repo and you can waste your box with fedora [08:09] <melio> it's happened to many [08:09] <melio> including me [08:09] <melio> brb [08:09] <f_newton> even with the so called right repo melio [08:09] <melio> yep [08:10] <jasoncohen> levander, if you want some uncommon packages, you will face a nightmare on fedora [08:10] <melio> thats why I said "a terrorist could kill linux boxes with control over a repo" [08:10] <levander> melio: You mean you don't know how much software the Red Hat fedora repositories have? What is it that you wouldn't know? [08:10] <levander> melio: The wrong repo can do the same with ubuntu. [08:10] <melio> levander, I'm running fedora [08:10] <f_newton> levander they add packages to the extras repo daily [08:10] <melio> I'v never booted ubuntu [08:10] <melio> I'm about to burn an install cd now [08:10] <crispynix-v6> melio: that's why all(?) packages are signed these days and apt 0.6.x lets you know if they're not. [08:10] <melio> I'll compare it later :P [08:10] <jasoncohen> levander, for example, if you want openvpn from dag you can't install amarok from extras because the 2 repos don't work together. dag has lots of good stuff but it prevents you from using livna/extras which is more official/more reliable [08:11] <levander> jasoncohen: Think I'm gonna start a list of the applications I use under ubuntu, and start seeing if they have it under fedora in the redhat repositories. Only thing I know of that they don't have that I use is svk. [08:11] <jasoncohen> levander, also, fc4 was released quite a while ago in june and dag and other unofficial repos still don't have packages for fc4 [08:11] <crispynix-v6> melio: well, all packages from official repos. 3rd-party repo maintainers usually don't bother. [08:11] <crispynix-v6> melio: (you have to use apt-key add etc. to add their keys manually) [08:11] <f_newton> jasoncohen, yes they do [08:12] <levander> jasoncohen: are dag and extras both official Red Hat repositories for fedora? [08:12] <melio> crispynix-v6, right. same with yum [08:12] <f_newton> no [08:12] <melio> keys don't matter [08:12] <melio> sure you got the right stuff [08:12] <levander> jasoncohen: dag is just a commonly used repository for fedora? [08:12] <melio> but that doesnt mean the repo manager puts the packages together with a standard [08:12] <jasoncohen> levander, let's see- off the top of my head, fedora doesn't have gaim-otr, openvpn, webmin, nessus [08:12] <melio> levander, yes [08:12] <melio> dag weirs [08:12] <jasoncohen> levander, yeah- dag isn't official [08:12] <f_newton> thats the problem there is no standard [08:12] <levander> jasoncohen: don't use any of those [08:12] <sproingie> dag is not an official repo, but dag is really good at packaging [08:12] <melio> same with atrpms [08:12] <windex> random words of advice: if you buy a glass desk, your optical mouse won't work. [08:13] <f_newton> atrpms are terrible [08:13] <f_newton> lol windex [08:13] <sproingie> dag's stuff is quite good [08:13] <levander> windex: mouse pad [08:13] <melio> windex: unless you spraypaint a mousepad image under it like I did [08:13] <crispynix-v6> melio: indeed, you could get something nasty from official repositories, but with digital signing and non-anonymous maintainers, it'd be easy to track down the weakest link. [08:13] <jasoncohen> f_newton, atrpms are the worst [08:13] <f_newton> yes [08:13] <jasoncohen> f_newton, they can trash a system [08:13] <nickrud> windex, I found that out this week :) [08:13] <jasoncohen> like using marillat on ubuntu, heh [08:13] <f_newton> they do trash many a system [08:13] <windex> levander, i haven't owned one for YEARS. i wound up having to put down a piece of paper and use masking tape to secure it [08:13] <melio> brb [08:13] <levander> lol windex [08:13] <windex> ill buy a mouse pad next time i see one :D [08:14] <levander> gotta sleep guys, very late in USA [08:14] <windex> the good news is that my new desk is quite sexy. [08:14] <nickrud> windex, you will need a lot of you, I think [08:14] <windex> glass + steel = mmm. [08:14] <Razor-X> I think i'm going to reinstall xfce [08:14] <f_newton> I spent two days with yum in an endless loop of errors trying to update my fedora... when I asked for help I got the old "well it works for me" and the "its your fault" bit from the gurus [08:15] <windex> nickrud, meh. lame joke! [08:15] <jasoncohen> f_newton, on debian, basically everything but the illegal multimedia codecs are packaged officially- and obviously the same for ubuntu [08:15] <Razor-X> brb people [08:15] <nickrud> best kind [08:15] <f_newton> jasoncohen, I like the way deb updates and operates [08:15] <sproingie> yum has improved lately, but golly is it ever pokey on everything prior to fc4 [08:15] <jasoncohen> f_newton, the only advantage to fedora i can see is that they have security support on more apps and you get new upstream versions [08:15] <esac> are there any gui tools for doing traffic shaping/QoS ? [08:15] <f_newton> but until ubuntu never found a native gnome distro [08:15] <windex> http://www.studiorta.com/catalog/details.cfm?catalog_id=223 <-- desk. :D [08:15] <f_newton> selinux is a good idea jasoncohen [08:15] <jasoncohen> f_newton, yeah- i used KDE before using ubuntu [08:15] <windex> although i put the keyboard tray on the other side. [08:15] <sproingie> esac: there may be webmin modules [08:16] <esac> webmin ? [08:16] <jasoncohen> f_newton, true- how is their implementation? [08:16] <Razor-X> back [08:16] <f_newton> pretty good [08:16] <jasoncohen> is ubuntu planning to use selinux at any point? [08:16] <sproingie> esac: webmin is a nice web-based control panel app [08:16] <Razor-X> I like KDE, it's nice [08:16] <esac> ah cool taking a look [08:16] <sproingie> esac: does nearly everything you can imagine [08:16] <nickrud> pretty, my steel has holes drilled through it, more industrial [08:16] <f_newton> yeah weve been thru this already Razor-X [08:17] <Razor-X> f_newton: yeah, XFce went bonkers on me [08:17] <f_newton> sorry [08:17] <f_newton> I really like gnome so I choose a distro that bases its wm on it [08:17] <Razor-X> eh? [08:17] <Razor-X> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [08:17] <Razor-X> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [08:17] <Razor-X> what's up with that? [08:18] <esac> can i just apt-get install webmin ? [08:18] <windex> Razor-X, you're either not root or you're running apt/aptitude/synaptic more than once. [08:18] <Razor-X> never mind ;) [08:18] <concept10> jasoncohen, yes. ubuntu is working on it. There is also HardendDebiam [08:18] <Razor-X> windex: yeah, I ran it together [08:18] <sproingie> what. the. hell. [08:18] <windex> Razor-X, bad razor-x. [08:18] <Razor-X> i'll use zsh's included stuff for that then [08:18] <jasoncohen> concept10, just read the selinux breezy goal [08:19] <jasoncohen> concept10, looks like lots of interesting new features will be in breezy...can't wait [08:19] <windex> i really wish people wouldn't use selinux. sigh. [08:19] <sproingie> i want to install gtk-qt on the 32bit side, and it insists on pulling down all of perl, libflac, and kdelibs to go with it [08:19] <jasoncohen> windex, why? [08:20] <windex> jasoncohen, i prefer to use grsecurity, and selinux is largely incompatible and incomplete in comparison. [08:20] <melio> how come there's no md5 keys for these cds that you can download for ubantu installs [08:21] <melio> wait found em int he dir [08:21] <windex> melio, i beleive there is a signature for them on the mirror sites.. [08:21] <windex> melio, damn, beat me. [08:21] <melio> yeah not on the webpage tho [08:21] <melio> but the mirror is on the page at the bottom. too lazy to look there I guess. [08:21] <jasoncohen> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageDependencyManagement looks really good. synaptic will then have the same ability to remove a package + it's unneeded dependencies [08:21] <jasoncohen> like aptitude can currently [08:22] <windex> jasoncohen, as long as ubuntu's method of using selinux does not break the entire system if a kernel is not built with selinux enabled (like redhat enterprise does).. i'll be fine. :) [08:22] <nickrud> jasoncohen, the last line is very relevant [08:22] <jasoncohen> you can easily disable it in fedora [08:22] <sproingie> windex: how does grsecurity compare to rsbac? [08:23] <windex> sproingie, i've never used rsbac. [08:23] <deprave_> konsole rocks, thanks whoever suggested it [08:23] <deprave_> how do i save the settings [08:23] <melio> why do they call ubuntu voodoo linux? [08:23] <melio> "voodoo" [08:23] <sproingie> windex: it was like the original before selinux came around and linus blessed it [08:23] <jasoncohen> nickrud, well, aptitude's interface isn't exactly attractive. if synaptic could do what aptitude could, it would be even better than it is now [08:23] <sproingie> melio: i don't know, because it rhymes? [08:23] <melio> I'v heard it several times [08:23] <windex> sproingie, i've been using grsecurity for almost as long as it's existed, so i suppose i'm a little biased. :) [08:23] <jasoncohen> and it's currently the best gui tool for installing/upgrading and removing packages on any distro i've used [08:23] <melio> ubuntu and voodoo. oh I can see that [08:23] <esac> ok. ive installed webmin. how do i connect to it ? [08:23] <f_newton> as far as I am concerned ... an os has to work and be stable enough for me to run my ministry on [08:24] <f_newton> i simply cant be reinstalling every other day or worrying about what updates are good or bad [08:24] <sproingie> it's african, people figure all africans are witch doctors with bones through their noses [08:24] <concept10> esac, yourip:10000 [08:24] <melio> sproingie, how is it african? [08:25] <melio> does that make fedora redneck? [08:25] <melio> cause it's made in north carolina? [08:25] <windex> sproingie, selinux and grsecurity have diffrent methods, though. selinux is about containing damage and access during a successful compromise. grsecurity is about both preventing an application exploit from functioning _and_ containing damage after a successful compromise. [08:25] <sproingie> melio: uh... it's an african word. the distro's home is based in south africa. [08:25] <melio> sproingie, isnt that spelled afrikan then? [08:25] <sproingie> melio: if you're dutch i suppose. it's not an afrikaans word tho [08:26] <f_newton> sproingie, that is bullshit [08:26] <f_newton> sorry for the languag3e [08:26] <nickrud> jasoncohen, as far as I've been able to see, synaptic can do all that aptitude can, just not as easily [08:26] <f_newton> most of africa is desert and there aint no bones to be had [08:26] <f_newton> dung beetles maybe [08:26] <f_newton> see what happens when ya cut down all the trees? [08:26] <jasoncohen> nickrud, new users want a gui usuaully and synaptic fills that role [08:26] <nickrud> jasoncohen, so, I try to translate :) [08:26] <jasoncohen> i personally like apt-get - i just wish it could remove unneeded dependencies [08:26] <concept10> esac, did you get it? [08:26] <melio> sproingie, I'm not dutch :P [08:26] <jasoncohen> it's faster than aptitude and can download source & build from source, get build dependencies, show source & package info - more than aptitude can do [08:26] <melio> ok lemme boot this and see how it works [08:26] <melio> wish me luck [08:26] <sproingie> f_newton: yep, just commenting on stereotypes [08:26] <concept10> jasoncohen, why dont you use aptitude from cmd line? [08:26] <f_newton> I know a few afrikanners that live here in texas.... very nasty minded people these guyz are [08:26] <jasoncohen> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemUpgradeTool should make distribution upgrades easier [08:26] <sproingie> f_newton: afrikaaners or texans? [08:26] <melio> texans are worse :P [08:27] <concept10> jasoncohen, sudo aptitude remove foo [08:27] <f_newton> uh apartheid escapees [08:27] <sproingie> lyndon johnson was a texan, he rocked [08:27] <jasoncohen> concept10, other than removing unneeded dependencies i have no reason to and i find apt-get faster [08:27] <f_newton> part of the old dutch afrikanners [08:27] <windex> i used to work with a peurto rican who was raised in texas and he was a .. colorful individual. [08:27] <jasoncohen> concept10, and because of apt's bug, apt & aptitude can't be used together [08:27] <sproingie> f_newton: can't paint 'em all with that brush. mark shuttleworth is a south africa native too [08:27] <jasoncohen> concept10, can aptitude and synaptic be safely used together? [08:27] <nickrud> sudo aptitude purge foo [08:28] <sproingie> f_newton: well not "native". white south african that is [08:28] <nickrud> jasoncohen, that is the 64 dollar question [08:28] <windex> jasoncohen, apt's bug? i've been using aptitude for everything on both ubuntu and sarge. [08:28] <windex> jasoncohen, but i wasn't aware apt was buggy. [08:28] <sproingie> tho "shuttleworth" doesn't really sound too dutch [08:28] <f_newton> I was told that afrikanner is a certain type of dutch settler who espouses the apartheid philosophy [08:28] <concept10> jasoncohen, yes, but not at the same time I would *presume* I used aptitude to correct my firefox problems [08:28] <jasoncohen> windex, if you use apt & aptitude together, aptitude's cache will get horribly out of wack and it will try installing random packages you have removed [08:28] <esac> got it, thanks concept10 .. was busy trying to get traffic shaping working [08:28] <esac> im tired of downloading torrents during the day and not being able to ssh in :) [08:28] <concept10> esac, np [08:28] <f_newton> those guys make a texas redneck look liberal [08:28] <jasoncohen> windex, even after an aptitude update...the problem can only be removed by purging and re-installing aptitude [08:28] <windex> jasoncohen, that's no good. ah well, as it turns out, i don't use apt. :) [08:29] <nickrud> I've wondered, but not enought to test, does synaptic and aptitude maintain the same database for removing unused packages? [08:29] <sproingie> nickrud: yes, they're both just front-ends to the apt database [08:29] <windex> jasoncohen, why does debian / ubuntu ship both apt and aptitude? my understanding was that aptitude is a replacement for apt. [08:29] <nickrud> sproingie, so is apt-get, but, aptitude maintains something extra [08:29] <GudyUbuntu> hi, could someone help me regarding opengl? I'd like to know the module that corresponds to openGL, I've find freeglut but it seems that this one is in fact simply a module on top of openGL. The reason I'm asking is that in order to compile some ogl librairies, it sounds like I have to recompile ogl with the option -fPIC [08:29] <sproingie> windex: apt is not an application [08:29] <jasoncohen> windex, it is [08:30] <sproingie> windex: apt is the whole system. aptitude is an app for it [08:30] <jasoncohen> windex, you shoul duse aptitude or apt-get [08:30] <Iceman-AMD64> Need more 64 bit software ... [08:30] <sproingie> windex: and aptitude doesn't have super-cow powers, apt-get does [08:30] <concept10> everything the common person want to know about apt:http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html [08:30] <f_newton> yeah well Iceman-AMD64 wait and there will be as time goes omn [08:30] <f_newton> uh on [08:30] <nickrud> libapt is what apt-get and aptitude an synaptic use [08:30] <windex> sproingie, ... super-cow powers. [08:30] <jasoncohen> anyways, i'm off to get sleep [08:30] <concept10> !apt [08:30] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ [08:30] <sproingie> windex: apt-get moo [08:30] <sproingie> windex: aptitude moo [08:31] <Iceman-AMD64> f_newton whats out there now .... any links you can guide me to [08:31] <jasoncohen> anyone know how the gdmroadmap is going? [08:31] <windex> sproingie, someone spent too much time on that. [08:31] <nickrud> dependency handling is what libapt is about, the rest just use it [08:31] <f_newton> not me sorry... I run 32bit ststems [08:31] <jasoncohen> it's a bounty but it's shown as deferred [08:31] <sproingie> windex: aptitude does have minesweeper built in tho [08:31] <jasoncohen> sorry...pending [08:31] <f_newton> but as 64 gets more prevalent so will the apps for it [08:31] <Iceman-AMD64> just moved up myself ... so on the hunt ...;) [08:31] <Razor-X> hahahaha!!!! [08:31] <windex> sproingie, nevermind. 'moo' is minor compared to including minesweeper. [08:31] <Razor-X> I removed aptitude [08:32] <Razor-X> OMG, that was so stupid [08:32] <Razor-X> it is in the repos, right? [08:32] <sproingie> Razor-X: apt-get install it, no biggie [08:32] <TheSham> concept10: i ran into a little trouble with that wiki at this command: sed -e "s/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp. I dont understand that at all. [08:32] <Razor-X> sproingie: yeah [08:32] <fortyoz> hi, just installed woody, dist-upgraded to hoary .. but i can't install ubuntu-desktop ? [08:32] <Razor-X> that was really stupid XD [08:32] <sproingie> Razor-X: mind you, don't remove dpkg [08:32] <Razor-X> sproingie: ;) [08:32] <concept10> TheSham, where did you see that command.. What page are you using? [08:32] <nickrud> Razor-X, just get back ubuntu-base, aptitude will follow :) [08:33] <esac> concept10: i am getting access denied when trying to connect .. i put https://user:pass@host:10000/ [08:33] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, current nobody is working on it, afaics [08:33] <TheSham> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto [08:33] <concept10> TheSham, the format is wrong [08:33] <TheSham> step five [08:33] <windex> sproingie, even if you remove dpkg you can recover by using a horribly long and tedious process of uncompressing the deb file and going through the setup steps manually. [08:33] <Gorth> what's ubuntu's version of update-env [08:33] <sproingie> windex: yeah but life sucks in the meantime [08:33] <concept10> esac, you have to edit the Allow section in the config file [08:33] <concept10> esac, gimme a sec [08:33] <fortyoz> anyone know why i can't install ubuntu-desktop from a base woody -> hoary ? [08:34] <TheSham> concept10: what is the proper command? [08:34] <sproingie> Gorth: debconf i think. it's not quite the same, sometimes it's better sometimes it's worse [08:34] <Gorth> thanks sproingie [08:34] <sproingie> Gorth: you never run it manually [08:34] <Gorth> :O [08:34] <Gorth> why not [08:34] <concept10> TheSham, could you give me a link to the page you are using? [08:34] <windex> sproingie, one time when 'woody' was telling people to upgrade dpkg, one of my coworkers went, what the hell is that, i don't need that... it wouldn't let him remove it, so he force removed it.. then realized what he'd done. :) [08:34] <sproingie> Gorth: it runs automatically [08:34] <TheSham> concept10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto [08:34] <f_newton> heck I am almost completely set up with my ubuntu install and it only took two days [08:34] <f_newton> thats pretty good [08:34] <Gorth> i just installed glib, but the ./configure for xmms says i still don't have glib installed! [08:35] <nickrud> Gorth, why not just aptitude install xmms? [08:35] <Gorth> when i did that the xmms was screwy [08:35] <TheSham> concept10: it's step 5 [08:35] <Gorth> when i clicked play [08:35] <Gorth> the button would stay depressed [08:35] <Gorth> and it wouldn't respond to anything [08:35] <viyyer> is it ok to upgrade from warty to hoary ? [08:35] <f_newton> where are these names coming from? [08:36] <f_newton> good lord [08:36] <f_newton> warty hoary woody [08:36] <f_newton> lol [08:36] <viyyer> hehe [08:36] <nickrud> rodents and toys [08:36] <windex> f_newton, gotta name them something. debian uses characters from toy story. [08:36] <sproingie> alliterative too [08:36] <sproingie> i'm waiting for "wascally wabbit" [08:36] <Gorth> any suggestions for my xmms woes :( [08:37] <nickrud> Gorth, it's probably sound server issues [08:37] <concept10> TheSham, try this instead sed -e "s/misc/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp [08:37] <Gorth> doggone [08:37] <Gorth> i thought my sound was workin fine! [08:37] <nickrud> and cheap sound chips thrown in [08:37] <sproingie> there's supposed to be a permanent experimental fork to replace the ever-changing names of the unstable [08:37] <sproingie> i believe they're calling that one "Grumpy Groundhog" [08:37] <TheSham> concept10: there was a specific error with that other command when it got to the "s part, it wasn't a recognized flag or something [08:37] <sproingie> more like experimental than sid tho [08:37] <windex> sproingie, that makes me feel pain. [08:37] <TheSham> should I try it anyway? [08:38] <sproingie> debian experimental should be called babyface. it makes me think of that spider creature [08:38] <viyyer> is it possible to have a smooth distupgrade from 4.0 to 5.0 ?? [08:38] <sproingie> far as i know it doesnt have a name tho [08:38] <nickrud> Gorth, if your sound is working fine (the login sound, for example) try changing the option for sound output in xmms to esound [08:39] <concept10> esac, use this http://webmin.com/faq.html [08:39] <Gorth> thanks nickrud [08:39] <concept10> TheSham, remove the s and see what it does [08:39] <Razor-X> any WM I install doesen't work [08:39] <TheSham> alrighty concept10, thanks alot [08:40] <concept10> TheSham, does it work> [08:40] <windex> ok. it's almost 2:00am [08:40] <Gorth> ! [08:40] <ubotu> Gorth: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [08:40] <windex> im going to go smoke a cigarette and then go to bed. :) [08:40] <Gorth> it was default to OSS [08:40] <windex> bye kids. [08:40] <Gorth> esound works! [08:40] <Gorth> hooray [08:40] <Gorth> thanks guys [08:41] <Razor-X> even E had its hangups too [08:41] <Razor-X> any advice there, or should I just stick to my KDE and leave it at that? [08:42] <GudyUbuntu> so, no one for that openGL issue? [08:43] <GudyUbuntu> what I'd need in fact is simply a linux / ubuntu guru to compile two small .c files for me ... I've even modified the source code to reflect 64bits pointers instead of 32 ... so I guess it's mainly a matter of knowing how to do it :) [08:44] <Razor-X> also, anyone here use mpd? [08:44] <f_newton> GudyUbuntu, thats the story of life ... Its mainly a matter of knowing how [08:44] <concept10> f_newton, is JIB still open this time of night? [08:45] <mebaran151__> I cant figure out for the life of me why udev will not make the snd devices [08:45] <mebaran151__> the modules load [08:45] <f_newton> lol 24/7 dude [08:45] <mebaran151__> but it does not make any of the the pcm devices [08:45] <mebaran151__> and alsa complains it can not find any cards [08:45] <f_newton> just the drive thru though [08:45] <concept10> f_newton, i forget, ive havent lived in dallas much since I was 18 [08:45] <anacron> helou helou, what to do when ubuntu freezes at the login screen, i installed nvidia drivers and it won't work because of that [08:46] <f_newton> cant say as I blame ya concept10 [08:46] <GudyUbuntu> f_newton, how about you help me, so that I learn? you know in the end, that's not even for me, I'm working on a project, and there's this plugin which requires openGL ... I'd like to test it on linux, but I've installed a 64bits linux, and of course the library I'm using is only compiled for 32bits systems ... [08:46] <Razor-X> anacron: change your xorg.conf to use ``vesa'' again [08:46] <f_newton> GudyUbuntu, i dont have the knowledge or the skill [08:46] <parabolize> anacron, or nv [08:46] <anacron> Razor-X: how can i change it if my computer freezes totaly [08:46] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: then compile it for 64 bit, no? [08:46] <nmsa> someone knows the port gnomenetmeeting is listening to? [08:46] <Razor-X> anacron: Ctrl+Alt+F1 [08:46] <parabolize> anacron, no keys? [08:47] <anacron> wont work [08:47] <mebaran151__> Razor-X: I hate my snd card [08:47] <anacron> nothing will work at that point [08:47] <anacron> no keys, no mouse [08:47] <nickrud> anacron, boot in recovery mode, and change /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm to K13gdm, then reboot [08:47] <mebaran151__> damn alsa channel is always empty [08:47] <rowanjl> Perhaps I'm missing something, but I've just installed all the mono packages I need, except one: MonoDevelop... I can't find it! Is there a repo I should add for warty that has it? [08:47] <Razor-X> mebaran151__: it seems i've customized my box so much, WMs refuse to install [08:47] <mebaran151__> rowanjl: universe [08:47] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, sure, but I'm getting an error when (I think) linking, about needing to recompile with -fPIC [08:47] <anacron> nickrud: with ubuntu install cd? [08:47] <mebaran151__> Razor-X: that is funny [08:47] <parabolize> anacron, or use a live cd to edit xorg.conf [08:47] <mebaran151__> very very funny [08:48] <mebaran151__> refuse? [08:48] <Razor-X> mebaran151__: it seems so [08:48] <nickrud> anacron, recovery should be in your grub menu [08:48] <rowanjl> mebaran151__, I have universe, but its not there [08:48] <anacron> nickrud: ok [08:48] <mebaran151__> do they just say no to your drugged out partition [08:48] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: hmmmm... :( [08:48] <Razor-X> i'm not sure of the source, so, I don't know [08:48] <GudyUbuntu> and I'm using the option, (at least I think), so either I'm doing something wrong, or I need to recompile the whole ogl libs or something else ... [08:48] <nickrud> anacron, you'll get a console, you can call nano to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf from there [08:48] <GudyUbuntu> how about I send you the modified sources and script I have, and you try to compile it? [08:48] <GudyUbuntu> :'( [08:48] <anacron> nickrud: great, thanks [08:48] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: no thanks ;) [08:49] <Razor-X> I want to get mpd to play [08:49] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, you'll get your name in the Azureus 3DPlugin author for that ! [08:49] <rowanjl> If mono develop is supposed to be under universe, what is it called? [08:49] <viyyer> hellooo [08:49] <Razor-X> so that if I try an switch X sessions, my music keeps playing [08:49] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: meh! [08:49] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: so, this is for Azureus? [08:49] <nickrud> anacron, when you're done, change gdm back to S13, then sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start will get you back to normal [08:49] <GudyUbuntu> indeed [08:49] <GudyUbuntu> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/plugin_details.php?plugin=3DView [08:49] <Razor-X> Razor-X: what'd you pass to the configure script? [08:49] <Razor-X> errr [08:50] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: what'd you pass to the configure script? [08:50] <anacron> nickrud: can't i just edit the xorg.conf, do i have to do that as well? [08:50] <GudyUbuntu> heh, there's no configure script, only a makefile .... [08:50] <GudyUbuntu> let me zip it and host it somewhere [08:50] <nickrud> anacron, the rc2.d stuff is adjusting running services [08:50] <xero> hey... really quick. does anybody know the default password on the livecd of ubuntu hoary??? [08:50] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: did you get it from CVS? [08:51] <anacron> nickrud: okay, so its impossible without doing some changes [08:51] <nickrud> anacron, yes, if you truly lock up during boot [08:51] <supernix> If you were going to take over the world and exchange every Windows install for Kubuntu as a desktop OS could Kubuntu do that ? [08:51] <rowanjl> So can anyone tell me where to find monodevelop for warty? [08:51] <Razor-X> supernix: I would think so [08:51] <esac> im sure there is a faq, but when will breezy be usable (i.e., when will X work ?) [08:51] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, no I grabbed the sources of the 32bits GTK version, I edited them to replace int by longs whenever there are pointers, and I'm trying to compile them ... [08:51] <nickrud> no, the world would rebel :) [08:51] <supernix> Has Kubuntu become that user friendly so far with that level of hardware support ? [08:51] <anacron> nickrud: well i have to write that down somewhere, im at work now, so i can test it right now :) [08:52] <RocketD> Is anyone here familiar with fwbuilder? If so how does it run on ubuntu and what are your thoughts on it? I am looking for a decent firewall/router to run on Ubuntu. [08:52] <viyyer> anyone who's tried a warty to hoary upgrade ? [08:53] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, http://play.aelitis.com/gudy/opengl.tar.gz [08:53] <esac> supernix: personally ive ran every windows system since 3.0, and have used linux since slackware 3 days .. ive ran about 100 different distros/versions .. and kubuntu/ubuntu is #1 for me [08:53] <onkarshinde> Now GNOME 2.12 being in Beta stage, will Breezy have GNOME 2.12? [08:53] <f_newton> so the numbering sequence of ubuntu... this is 5.04 that means version 5 upgrade 4? [08:53] <rowanjl> I've googled for Monodev and warty, but nothing comes up [08:53] <f_newton> mono is ms proprietary isnt it? [08:53] <rowanjl> O_o [08:53] <Gorth> argh [08:53] <Gorth> now xmms only works when i use sudo to open it [08:54] <f_newton> poor gorth [08:54] <nickrud> f_newton, no, .net is proprietary, mono's implementation is not [08:54] <supernix> Ty for your input [08:54] <esac> no, mono is ximian [08:54] <Gorth> its properties are 755!! [08:54] <f_newton> k [08:54] <Gorth> :( [08:54] <supernix> I have started pitching in my support of ubuntu as well [08:54] <esac> f_newton: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page [08:54] <Gorth> any suggestions, guys? :( [08:54] <Gorth> i've had a rough time getting used to ubuntu [08:54] <supernix> I put a banner on my site to help increase exposure and hopefully will help my friends to make the change from Windows to Linux [08:55] <supernix> Ubuntu/Kubunut in particular [08:55] <Gorth> when i'm a regular user [08:55] <Choubaka> f_newton: Ubuntu get's its version number based on the day it's released. [08:55] <Gorth> and i type xmms [08:55] <Gorth> it doesn't do anything! [08:55] <LasseL> Gorth, chown gorth:users /usr/bin/xmms ?? [08:55] <Gorth> no errors - nothing! [08:56] <onkarshinde> Does Breezy contain GNOME 2.12? [08:56] <Choubaka> or, rather, year and month. :P [08:56] <anacron> supernix: now when i can play games with linux there is no reason why i should use windows, and thats great [08:56] <Gorth> lassel: still nothing :( [08:56] <rowanjl> onkarshinde, someone told me that Ubuntu always has the latest gnome, so yes [08:56] <gorilla_> LasseL, no... it shouldn't ne necessary to chnage the permission on xmms itself.. the per5mission problem is elsewhere [08:57] <melio> sup [08:57] <viyyer> thank you ubotu [08:57] <Gorth> dobo@bunito:~$ xmms [08:57] <Gorth> dobo@bunito:~$ [08:57] <Gorth> that's all it does! [08:57] <rowanjl> Gorth, tried removing it and installing it again? [08:57] <melio> OK! one issue with the installer [08:57] <supernix> Yeah anacron I know that is a very big issue with users they must be able to play their favorite games or else it is a no go [08:57] <Choubaka> I just noticed that it's only 2 months until Breezy is supposed to be released :/ [08:57] <Gorth> yeah :( [08:57] <nickrud> Why do sound chip providers still not provide decent hardware mixing? [08:57] <Gorth> rowanjl: yea :( [08:57] <rowanjl> Gorth, darn [08:57] <melio> if anyone codes ubuntu, they NEED to setup a defualt resolution picker at install time, otherwise some people are going to have out of range on they're monitors and not know how to fix it [08:58] <rowanjl> Gah, can anyone tell me how to get monodevelop? [08:58] <HrdwrBoB> melio: it does [08:58] <melio> HrdwrBoB, where [08:58] <onkarshinde> Anyone used Ubuntu with HP Laptops? I want to know whether SD Card reader works. [08:58] <nickrud> I mean, my lowly sound fusion on my 6 year old machine does better sound than newer ones [08:58] <f_newton> melio you install it yet? [08:58] <melio> because I Just installed it, and it offered no assistance with resolution [08:58] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: I haven't heard of it working. [08:58] <melio> f_newton, running it now [08:58] <f_newton> kewl [08:58] <melio> ticked that it didnt give me options for resolution choices [08:58] <f_newton> what do you think? [08:59] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: Have you used Ubuntu on HP laptop? [08:59] <melio> f_newton, I think they need to distribute this with less software preinstalled [08:59] <f_newton> I had the same problem [08:59] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: No, I have read the wiki :) [08:59] <gpd> onkarshinde: my SD card reader on Fujitsu laptop didn't work :( [08:59] <anacron> im testing hilight so can someone say my nick in the middle of a centence? [08:59] <melio> f_newton, I prefer a clean system and my own choice in what I put on it [08:59] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: apparently SD readers don't work anywhere yet. [08:59] <gorilla_> what are you after anacron?? :-) [08:59] <melio> f_newton, instead I'm forced to remove everything I don't want [08:59] <f_newton> heh... I understand.. [08:59] <melio> which is fine [08:59] <nickrud> a decent replacement for cron is anacron, but I don't use it [08:59] <melio> I'll tolerate that [09:00] <GudyUbuntu> so, anacron is it working? [09:00] <anacron> no... [09:00] <anacron> maybe it's this theme [09:00] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: gpd: So is it problem with card readers or with drivers in Ubuntu? [09:00] <f_newton> did you notice, melio how much easier it was to update? [09:00] <bimberi> rowanjl: monodevelop is in the universe repository [09:00] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: with drivers in all linuxes I think [09:00] <anacron> it only hilights if my nick is in the beginning of line [09:00] <grover> I thought installing ubuntu in server mode left you with no extra pkgs [09:00] <rowanjl> bimberi, no it isn't... [09:00] <gpd> onkarshinde: didn't work in any linux distro ... may have been weird card reader... my usb one works fine on desktop [09:01] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: Other distros don't support them either. [09:01] <melio> f_newton, noticing now [09:01] <rowanjl> bimberi, I searched for 'mono', but there is nothing about mono develop [09:01] <melio> f_newton: again I prefer less software to have to update [09:01] <bimberi> !info monodevelop [09:01] <ubotu> monodevelop: (C#/Java/Nermele/ILasm Development Environment), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 1533 kB, Installed size: 5568 kB [09:01] <rowanjl> bimberi, for warty? [09:01] <melio> hence the reason why I clean install with nothing. and do my own software additions. not that I care abotu space [09:01] <Choubaka> melio: If you want to customise your ubuntu then you can always do the expert/custom install [09:01] <f_newton> yeah I can understand ... I like a good desktop distro and this seems near perfect to me [09:01] <melio> Choubaka, I'm not an expert! :P [09:02] <melio> and I don't know what I want so I left it defualt [09:02] <bimberi> rowanjl: sorry - I assumed hoary :/ [09:02] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: Isn't there a way to use ndiswrapper with card readers as we can do with wifi? [09:02] <f_newton> the expert / default would tell me the packages to choose wouldnt it? [09:02] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: no. [09:02] <rowanjl> Nope, I should have said warty in my question, but I got sick of asking [09:02] <melio> I thought it would ask me for desktop/workstation/server configs. instead it only left me with 2 choices and then did a massive uncompression of all my software that I didnt even ask for [09:02] <melio> lol [09:02] <melio> again, I'll tolerate it [09:02] <melio> no biggie [09:02] <f_newton> I think they would have to make a default set of packages for the majority of newbie users melio [09:02] <f_newton> like me [09:02] <f_newton> lol [09:02] <f_newton> heh [09:02] <rowanjl> bimberi, could the hoary package be used for warty? [09:02] <grover> rowanjl: upgrade to hoary? :) [09:02] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: ndiswrapper only works because there's some uniform API for wireless devices in Windows.. [09:03] <melio> yeah [09:03] <mebaran151__> what is the kernel version in Breezy [09:03] <rowanjl> grover, feel like sending me a cd? [09:03] <melio> we're all newbies till we figure out what to complain about I guess [09:03] <Burgundavia> mebaran151__, 2.6.12 [09:03] <melio> :P [09:03] <mebaran151__> I mean the last version [09:03] <mebaran151__> 2.6.12.x [09:03] <grover> rowanjl: you can get ubuntu to send you one for free [09:03] <mebaran151__> x=? [09:03] <mebaran151__> find x [09:03] <Burgundavia> .6 [09:03] <Choubaka> Hmm, When will brezy be frozen? [09:03] <Choubaka> breezy* [09:03] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, already past Upstream Version Freeze [09:03] <Choubaka> I don't remember the timeline :/ [09:03] <rowanjl> grover, thats how I got warty, I submitted for hoary in May, but got nothing [09:03] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, release is in October [09:04] <grover> rowanjl: hmm I got mine but yeah it did take a while [09:04] <rowanjl> Besides, it doesn't really help me today does it? [09:04] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: Doesn't that mean Gnome 2.12 isn't going to be there? [09:04] <rowanjl> grover, three months? [09:04] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, certain things are already excepted, like gnome 2.12 [09:04] <Choubaka> Ah, so. [09:04] <grumbly> Hey, I'm having some stability issues [09:04] <grover> rowanjl: possibly, don't remember [09:04] <Choubaka> Not as strict as debian developers. :) [09:04] <melio> I'll figure out how to add stuff tommrow I suppose [09:05] <bimberi> rowanjl: possibly, you could try it, it would be best to gat any uninstalled dependencies from warty repos though [09:05] <bimberi> s/gat/get/ [09:05] <melio> I guess I'll have to return this stupid fedora core 4 book I paid 50 bux for [09:05] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: I am getting a new HP laptop for my dad wich has WinXP Pro preinstalled. I want to use Ubuntu on it. I am sure my Dad won't ever use SD card reader, still I wished that it worked. [09:05] <f_newton> lol melio [09:05] <rowanjl> bimberi, yep, so what do I add? [09:05] <f_newton> sorry dude [09:05] <concept10> melio, heh [09:05] <melio> get an ubantu for dorks book [09:05] <nickrud> melio, best refund you'll ever see :) [09:05] <melio> I'm running riserfs tho [09:05] <f_newton> ewww [09:05] <f_newton> reiserfs [09:05] <melio> figured Id try it out [09:05] <melio> why would you eww riserfs [09:05] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: maybe some future update will add support for it. :) [09:05] <melio> what's wrong with you [09:05] <f_newton> used it with suse [09:06] <f_newton> did not like it [09:06] <melio> why [09:06] <f_newton> it was messy [09:06] <melio> did you make you diabetic [09:06] <Choubaka> riserfs .:D [09:06] <melio> how? [09:06] <bimberi> rowanjl: I'd download the package via http://packages.ubuntu.com and attempt to install using dpkg. [09:06] <melio> riser is sposed to be faster [09:06] <Choubaka> If you're going to typo it, why not just say "ricerfs" ;P [09:06] <f_newton> the whole distro was trouble ....9.1pro [09:06] <richardkillingsw> hey i have a question [09:06] <melio> Choubaka, you got an eagle talon tsi with a nice turbo and all wheel drive? [09:06] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: Thanks for help. BTW October is winter season in India. So waiting for a 'Breezy October' [09:07] <Burgundavia> bimberi, why did you not use synaptic? [09:07] <grumbly> Can someone help me out with my system? It crashes, and I can't seem to find any corelation [09:07] <rowanjl> bimberi, ok, thanks for the help [09:07] <Choubaka> melio: none such thing. [09:07] <bimberi> rowanjl: if there are any dependency issues try to resolve them with apt-get (ie. from warty repositories) [09:07] <melio> Choubaka, Then you don't know ricer :P [09:07] <anacron> grumbly: broken hardware maybe? [09:07] <rowanjl> bimberi, I will :) [09:07] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: hehe [09:07] <grumbly> na... I did a memtest [09:07] <grumbly> memory is Ok [09:07] <grumbly> works on other distros [09:07] <bimberi> Burgundavia: I'm giving some (pretty dodgy :) advice on installing monodevelop on warty [09:07] <Choubaka> melio: I didn't say I was a ricer ;P [09:07] <rowanjl> bimberi, but I do have the rest of mono installed, so it should be ok [09:07] <grumbly> and in freebsd [09:07] <melio> I don't need a coffee can on my car to make it go faster [09:07] <melio> it is faster [09:07] <Burgundavia> bimberi, ah [09:07] <richardkillingsw> how do make your folders in the root open themselve up for you so you can change them [09:07] <melio> and riserfs is sposed to be faster [09:08] <melio> without a coffee can muffler [09:08] <Choubaka> I wish I had a decent PC box to run breezy on. [09:08] <richardkillingsw> like adding files and deleting files [09:08] <Razor-X> but, ReiserFS is only good for a lot of files [09:08] <f_newton> melio.... sounds like teenage bragging to me [09:08] <melio> Choubaka, breezy? [09:08] <richardkillingsw> on ubuntu [09:08] <Razor-X> xfs is great for overall performance [09:08] <Choubaka> melio: (pst. reiserfs) [09:08] <melio> reiser [09:08] <melio> whatever [09:08] <f_newton> breezy is the next release melio [09:08] <Choubaka> melio: yeah. Take a sneak peek and run it before it's released. [09:08] <melio> oh i see [09:08] <melio> why does it require a decent pc? [09:08] <melio> super graphical? [09:08] <grumbly> anacron: it's only in gnome2 on ubuntu [09:09] <Choubaka> no. [09:09] <Choubaka> I only have a 500MHz 128MB RAM server that's of x86 architecture [09:09] <melio> i'm not running unstable os's anymore I did that with fc4 [09:09] <grumbly> do you think it unwize to try and build gnome from source? [09:09] <f_newton> lol melio [09:09] <nickrud> lol, grumbly [09:09] <Choubaka> melio: Ubuntu breezy shouldn't break anymore. .) [09:09] <f_newton> what i didnt like was the attitude about the failures [09:09] <grumbly> nickrud: ? [09:10] <Choubaka> melio: there was a period when meltdown was guaranteed. [09:10] <grumbly> I'm sick of crashing [09:10] <f_newton> it was always my fault and it works for them [09:10] <grumbly> only with ubuntu [09:10] <f_newton> grumbly that doesnt sound right but I would find a distro that you didnt crash on [09:10] <nickrud> not a good idea, but, if you want to, look at jhbuild from gnome cvs [09:10] <concept10> what is the keyboard shortcut for screenshot? [09:10] <kvidell> oh dear god [09:10] <f_newton> what kind of hardware grumbly? [09:10] <Choubaka> I wonder how well Ubuntu would work on a powerbook. [09:11] <grumbly> f_newton: I'm thinking that the CD is funky [09:11] <kvidell> I forgot I had a screen session with BX running [09:11] <f_newton> prntscrn [09:11] <kvidell> This has been here for 45 days and I _forgot_ [09:11] <Choubaka> :) [09:11] <f_newton> could be you had a bad install [09:11] <grumbly> f_newton: p4 2.4 intel PEBT2 board, Nvidia GeForce2, [09:11] <richardkillingsw> how do you get authorization to change root folder on here [09:12] <kvidell> become root? [09:12] <f_newton> well thats a lot better then my gear and it works great for me [09:12] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: chown? [09:12] <melio> dude [09:12] <melio> printers are way easyer to install in ubantu then fedora [09:12] <richardkillingsw> how do you become become root on here [09:12] <melio> boom done [09:12] <melio> that was fast [09:12] <grumbly> sudo [09:12] <grumbly> su [09:12] <melio> even detected it properly [09:12] <richardkillingsw> where at [09:12] <f_newton> lol melio [09:12] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: terminal [09:12] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:12] <richardkillingsw> is that it [09:12] <ice_1963> not sarge [09:12] <richardkillingsw> just sudo [09:13] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: what are you trying to do? [09:13] <richardkillingsw> add codecs [09:13] <richardkillingsw> for video and audio [09:13] <richardkillingsw> win32 [09:13] <richardkillingsw> codecs [09:13] <grumbly> you shouldnt need to sudo [09:13] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:13] <grumbly> tried using synaptic package manager? [09:13] <richardkillingsw> you can use that for outside programs [09:14] <grumbly> What program? [09:14] <richardkillingsw> or files [09:14] <grumbly> What program? [09:14] <grumbly> what files [09:14] <richardkillingsw> codecs [09:14] <richardkillingsw> win32 codecs [09:14] <richardkillingsw> for video and audio [09:14] <anacron> what do you mean that you don't need sudo for installing win32codecs?, that's bullshit [09:14] <grumbly> You're not making much sense [09:14] <grumbly> anacron: from within gnome? [09:15] <anacron> yes. [09:15] <grumbly> you shouldnt need to sudo anything. [09:15] <grumbly> except some things [09:15] <richardkillingsw> how do i put codecs in their proper folder on here [09:15] <anacron> ... [09:15] <grumbly> OH!!!!!! [09:15] <grumbly> ok [09:15] <grumbly> yeah... [09:15] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: open up terminal [09:15] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:15] <grumbly> type su [09:15] <grumbly> enter password [09:15] <anacron> don't use su [09:15] <anacron> use sudo -i [09:15] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:15] <richardkillingsw> im confused now [09:15] <grumbly> that'll work too... [09:16] <richardkillingsw> what should i really do [09:16] <anacron> richardkillingsw: read ubuntu wiki [09:16] <grumbly> what he said [09:16] <ice_1963> sudo passwd root [09:16] <anacron> richardkillingsw: there's no need for root account, as you can use sudo [09:17] <ice_1963> you can use su [09:17] <richardkillingsw> ok i put sudo passwd root [09:17] <Razor-X> richardkillingsw: and if you need a root shell, try ``sudo -s'' [09:17] <grumbly> anacron: Why would you even need to use win32 A/V codecs? [09:17] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: sudo -i [09:17] <richardkillingsw> whats a root shell [09:17] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: visit www.tldp.org [09:17] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:17] <ice_1963> if you won't [09:17] <grumbly> read a bit [09:17] <Razor-X> richardkillingsw: it's what ``su'' gives you [09:18] <richardkillingsw> now it says root@richard25k [09:18] <grumbly> don't get too atached to this system [09:18] <richardkillingsw> is that good [09:18] <grumbly> yeah [09:18] <grumbly> if you want to be root [09:18] <richardkillingsw> ok now what [09:18] <grumbly> you are root in that shell [09:18] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:18] <richardkillingsw> now how do i put those codecs in place [09:18] <anacron> grumbly: w32 codecs for watching videos? [09:18] <richardkillingsw> yeah [09:18] <grumbly> how do I discover what's causing these halts? [09:18] <nickrud> richardkillingsw, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia , that may put the instructions in another light [09:19] <richardkillingsw> those sites confuse me [09:19] <grumbly> anacron: you shouldnt need the win codecs [09:19] <richardkillingsw> just explain it here [09:19] <richardkillingsw> yeah [09:19] <richardkillingsw> i do [09:19] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: maybe you should stick to windows? [09:19] <richardkillingsw> come on [09:19] <richardkillingsw> help me [09:19] <anacron> richardkillingsw: yeah, you shouldn't, but you actually do with some videofiles [09:19] <grumbly> or use VMware and become familiar with a distro [09:19] <anacron> vlc helps a lot [09:19] <nickrud> richardkillingsw, we try, but you need to help us out [09:19] <richardkillingsw> what do i type to put codecs in the usr/lib folder [09:20] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: WHAT EXactly are you trin to install? [09:20] <richardkillingsw> codecs [09:20] <f_newton> heh... well cxoffice cant handle media player too well [09:20] <f_newton> lol [09:20] <f_newton> at least with my small resources [09:20] <richardkillingsw> i want to watch a movie [09:20] <anacron> richardkillingsw: don't say that you are installing manually the codecs? [09:20] <grumbly> yeah... you said that. what codecs... and dont say video and audio [09:20] <f_newton> but it still works better then fedora did at handling graphics [09:20] <richardkillingsw> it has video but no audio [09:20] <grumbly> what filetypes? [09:20] <richardkillingsw> and the file is good [09:20] <grumbly> what codec? [09:20] <richardkillingsw> win 32 [09:20] <grumbly> what is it encoded with [09:21] <grumbly> win32 isnt a codec [09:21] <concept10> f_newton, media player? [09:21] <grumbly> WMV? wma? ASF? [09:21] <anacron> richardkillingsw: i you just want watch a movie, then try sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-alsa, and try to watch it with that [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/acelpdec.ax [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/alf2cd.acm [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/aslcodec_dshow.dll [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/atrac3.acm [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/atrc.so.6.0 [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/AvidQTAVUICodec.qtx [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/BeHereiVideo.qtx [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/CLRVIDDC.DLL [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/clrviddd.dll [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/cook.so [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/CtWbJpg.DLL [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/DECVW_32.DLL [09:21] <melio> great! [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/drvc.so [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/dspr.so.6.0 [09:21] <concept10> STOP FLODDINg! [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/iac25_32.ax [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/icmw_32.dll [09:21] <melio> thank you so much for all this information no one wants [09:21] <concept10> STOP! [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/imc32.acm [09:21] <grumbly> please stop it [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/ir41_32.dll [09:21] <liable> STOP IT [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/ir50_32.dll [09:21] <anacron> kick [09:21] <melio> lol time for sleep [09:21] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/ivvideo.dll [09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/jp2avi.dll [09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/LCMW2.dll [09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/LCODCCMW2E.dll [09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/lhacm.acm [09:22] <melio> goodnight [09:22] <richardkillingsw> file:///home/richardkil [09:22] <richardkillingsw> this is the codecs [09:22] <richardkillingsw> do you see them [09:22] <richardkillingsw> how am i susposed to tell you what i have [09:22] <richardkillingsw> this is what is have for codecs [09:22] <concept10> richardkillingsw, dont do that [09:22] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:22] <nickrud> lol [09:22] <anacron> :DDDD [09:22] <melio> richardkillingsw, google for Nopaste [09:22] <gilv> how to install perl on ubuntu ? [09:22] <concept10> richardkillingsw, dont ever do that again [09:22] <grumbly> WHAT IS THE FREAKING FILE called that YOU WANT TO PLAY????? [09:22] <grumbly> sorry for the caps [09:22] <melio> grumbly, they were warrented [09:22] <anacron> grumbly: it's hard for all of us :D [09:22] <melio> goodnight [09:23] <concept10> !paste [09:23] <ubotu> methinks paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text [09:23] <grumbly> melio: palabra... night [09:23] <anacron> but i just can't stop laughing for that flood [09:23] <richardkillingsw> i dont even know what youre talking about ok [09:23] <nickrud> richardkillingsw, sudo mkdir /usr/lib/win32 ; sudo cp /home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/* /usrl/lib/win32 [09:23] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: When you play a movie on a computer, it is a file... unless it's a dvd [09:23] <f_newton> night melio [09:24] <grumbly> what are the 3 letters after the . ? [09:24] <nickrud> richardkillingsw, sudo mkdir /usr/lib/win32 ; sudo cp /home/richardkillingsworth/essential-20050412/essential-20050412/* /usr/lib/win32 [09:24] <nickrud> typo [09:24] <lancer285> hey guys, is there a kernel package for a 64bit ath? [09:24] <grumbly> lancer285: yeah. [09:24] <grumbly> www.kernel.org [09:24] <grumbly> not specific to an athlon [09:24] <grumbly> but you go there... you look at it. [09:24] <lancer285> grumby is there one available via apt-get? [09:24] <grumbly> dunno [09:24] <anacron> lancer285: you shouldn't use 64bit if you wan't to use flash and other good software [09:24] <grumbly> don't have an athlon [09:25] <lancer285> anacron, its not my pc, its a buddies [09:25] <anacron> lancer285: what do he use it for [09:25] <lancer285> anacron we're trying to get point2play/cedega to work [09:25] <richardkillingsw> ok i typed all of that [09:25] <anacron> lancer285: it's easier without updating [09:25] <richardkillingsw> what do i type now [09:26] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: mov = quicktime wmv = windows media avi = probably divx, but maybe raw [09:26] <casperl> hi all, should there be a /dev/pilot device in ubuntu 5.04? Maybe that's why my palm won't be recognised. [09:26] <lancer285> anacron: so don't worry about the kernal package for the 64bit? [09:26] <richardkillingsw> i type that [09:26] <olivier> Hi, what is the command to stop the X server? [09:26] <nickrud> try playing the movie. If it doesn't play, the the all tarball, not just essential, and copy them into /usr/lib/win32 and try again [09:26] <anacron> lancer285: if you want to use cedega in 64bit you have to make chroot 32bit or something like that [09:26] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:26] <grumbly> olivier: ctrl + alt + Backspace [09:26] <nickrud> assuming you're using mplayer [09:27] <richardkillingsw> im using kaffeine [09:27] <lancer285> anacron do that when running point2play? [09:27] <olivier> grumbly: thanks [09:27] <anacron> lancer285: i dunno, im not using point2play [09:27] <nickrud> never used it, but I'm failrly sure it uses the same codecs [09:27] <anacron> lancer285: but i guess it does [09:27] <lancer285> anacron, okay thanks, I'll look on the forums for taht (: [09:28] <olivier> grumbly: mmm, it restarted on itw own .... [09:28] <anacron> lancer285: there's a wiki 'bout using cedega in 64bit [09:28] <anacron> lancer285: or actually it's something like changing chroot to 32bit [09:28] <lancer285> anacron, k, thanx! I think I have that bm'd [09:28] <anacron> lancer285: good luck [09:28] <concept10> I hate the fonts in Linux, I wish I could get them clear like in XP [09:29] <richardkillingsw> alright i done it [09:29] <richardkillingsw> i got it in there [09:29] <Choubaka> I actually read that XP as a smiley. [09:30] <f_newton> concept10, fedora had much better fonts and a better rendition of gnome but that is only costume ... the workings of the os are what is important to me [09:30] <Choubaka> Curse those people who use it as such! [09:30] <nickrud> concept10, try playing around with system-preferences-font, under details you can get adjust a bit [09:30] <nickrud> s/get// [09:30] <anacron> f_newton: yeah you can change fonts so what's the deal [09:31] <richardkillingsw> ok another question [09:31] <olivier> ctrl + alt + backspace was a bad command .... [09:31] <anacron> the great thing in linux is that you can adjust everything if you know how to [09:31] <concept10> f_newton, nickrud look at a screenshot :http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1641/screenshot8xh.png [09:31] <richardkillingsw> how do you extract .rar files on ubuntu [09:31] <george___> hi [09:31] <Burgundavia> richardkillingsw, wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression [09:31] <george___> I have raid issue [09:31] <anacron> richardkillingsw: sudo apt-get install rar [09:31] <george___> can someone tell me how to fix? [09:31] <olivier> how do you stop X? [09:31] <george___> i been trying 2 hours [09:31] <richardkillingsw> you put that [09:31] <george___> how do i configure raid in ubuntu setup? [09:32] <richardkillingsw> sudo apt-get install rar [09:32] <anacron> olivier: sudo killall X or something [09:32] <george___> i got the raid configed and all but grub won't install [09:32] <anacron> richardkillingsw: not in irc :D [09:32] <SquareGuy> richardkillingsw, install unrar then either use file-roller or via command line like unrar e file.rar to not preserve paths or unrar x file.rar to preserve paths [09:32] <olivier> there must be a nice way to stop X .... [09:32] <richardkillingsw> i know [09:32] <george___> how do i partition the raid0 [09:32] <nickrud> concept10, I can read that :) [09:32] <Razor-X> anyone use mpd, who's here now? [09:32] <richardkillingsw> im not that stupid dude [09:32] <george___> i need help with getting raid working [09:32] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:32] <george___> i got 2 160 gb, i got it raided but grub won't install [09:32] <richardkillingsw> where do i get unrar [09:33] <richardkillingsw> at [09:33] <concept10> nickrud, how do i get it a little more clear than that? [09:33] <george___> how do i config [09:33] <Razor-X> richardkillingsw: from the repos [09:33] <nickrud> olivier, the good way is to log out, then ctl-alt-backspace [09:33] <george___> ubuntuguide? [09:33] <richardkillingsw> repos [09:33] <Razor-X> !ubuntuguide [09:33] <richardkillingsw> ? [09:33] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [09:33] <olivier> nickrud: I tried that, but it restarted right after [09:33] <SquareGuy> richardkillingsw, get it via apt-get or synaptic just make sure that your repositories are set to use non-free software [09:33] <olivier> nickrud: and when doing it in tty1 it rebooted ... [09:33] <nickrud> olivier, oh, stop it. [09:33] <Burgundavia> richardkillingsw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression [09:33] <george___> how i get this raid done? [09:33] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: rar is free [09:33] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:33] <richardkillingsw> hold on [09:33] <george___> i did ubuntu forum search [09:33] <richardkillingsw> ok [09:34] <Razor-X> errr, unrar [09:34] <george___> AHHHH [09:34] <nickrud> olivier, in tty1, invoke-rc.d gdm stop [09:34] <Razor-X> there's a specific package unrar-nonfree [09:34] <george___> help? [09:34] <olivier> ha thanks :) [09:34] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, k - i use the non-free version on unrar [09:34] <Razor-X> that has more features than unrar, but it's, as the name says, nonfree [09:34] <george___> amd 64 ubuntu, got raid created, but can't install grub [09:34] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: yeah, same here [09:34] <george___> what must i do [09:34] <olivier> sounds like it worked :) [09:34] <richardkillingsw> ok how do you set that [09:35] <Razor-X> I'm trying to get mpd setup, but after that, I don't feel like using my brain on anything else for today so... yeah, I guess [09:35] <nickrud> concept10, it's all a matter of taste, you can try the settings in the font preference, or look into fontconfig [09:35] <george___> i need to get raid done here [09:35] <george___> how do i do? [09:35] <Razor-X> every Window Manager I tried failed today, ugghhhh [09:35] <richardkillingsw> how do i set it to get non free software [09:35] <george___> every darn attempt to get raid done failed [09:35] <Razor-X> some nice music would ease the transition between WMs... [09:35] <Razor-X> !tell richardkillingsw about repos [09:36] <george___> razor u want 2 help me? [09:36] <Razor-X> george___: there's a nice google entry on GRUB and RAID [09:36] <grumbly> hey.... um... [09:36] <george___> i can't config raid, i went to forum and read [09:36] <george___> I DID tHE DARN READING [09:36] <grumbly> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) but I installed the nvidia driver [09:36] <george___> i come here as last resort [09:36] <Razor-X> george___: no caps, and i'll prove you wrong [09:36] <rowanjl> blech, hoarys monodevelop can't work on warty [09:36] <grumbly> what's the deal [09:36] <SquareGuy> richardkillingsw, hehe i just realized im on my debain box... umm i think you can do that under prefernces of ubuntu's update manager or in synaptics preferences. of course you can edit them by hand but i'm not gonna go there [09:36] <george___> ...i search in ubuntu forums [09:36] <george___> i googled [09:36] <Razor-X> someone else asked the exact same question [09:36] <george___> i read ubuntu wiki [09:36] <george___> i read ubuntuguide [09:36] <rowanjl> Was there ever a release of monodevelop on warty? [09:36] <george___> where?? [09:37] <Razor-X> george___: first hit on google [09:37] <Razor-X> http://www.linuxsa.org.au/mailing-list/2003-07/1270.html [09:37] <george___> ok i got the 320.1gb partition [09:37] <george___> do i have to config it? [09:37] <olivier> ... no way to install those $$##$$ nvidia drivers .... [09:37] <taz_> hllo guys :) [09:37] <taz_> +e :) [09:37] <george___> is this not AFTER installing? [09:37] <SquareGuy> richardkillingsw, its either under ubuntus update manager or in synaptics preferences. its easy point and click. the repositories are already there you just need to enable them [09:38] <Razor-X> george___: yeah, and then use a live CD to edit it all [09:38] <george___> ah fuk [09:38] <george___> fuck [09:38] <olivier> I wonder how pple do, I mean, nvidia has like what 50% of the graphic card market??? why on earth is that so hard to install the video drivers? [09:38] <george___> nothing working today [09:38] <taz_> Anyone using gallery here? .. When does ubuntu release new version of gallery in the package system? Or do i have to upgrade manually? [09:38] <Razor-X> same here, every WM I tried just borked [09:38] <george___> i can't get this crap done in partition disks? [09:38] <Razor-X> I got so messed up, I accidentally got rid of aptitude -- through aptitude [09:39] <george___> any way to fix by configging the raided partition [09:39] <Razor-X> george___: well, it uses UNIX only utilities [09:39] <nickrud> taz_, there probably won't be a gallery upgrade until breezy, in october [09:39] <SquareGuy> olivier, actually i think intel has the greatest % of video market - their integrated solutions [09:39] <Razor-X> I thought you did your reading, though [09:39] <george___> I DID [09:39] <george___> i got up 2 point where i made a 320 gb raided partition [09:39] <lewwy> hey chums [09:39] <george___> now i get another gay error [09:39] <george___> been up since 12 AM CUZ OF GAY xp [09:39] <taz_> nickrud, oh.. then i better update it myself.. do you know if i should remove it in the package manager before i upgrade it? [09:39] <george___> now this.. [09:39] <george___> lol [09:39] <gilv> once ubuntu is installed, how to configure it ? [09:39] <richardkillingsw> ok i done all of that [09:39] <Razor-X> were you following this guide? [09:39] <richardkillingsw> which one is the unrar in [09:39] <george___> i search for guide [09:39] <nickrud> taz_, yes you should [09:40] <george___> i didn't foollow much [09:40] <george___> just what people post in other threads [09:40] <lewwy> My friend is considering purchasing a new computer. its a showdown between the amd 3000+ and the p4 3.0ghz. what one should he get? [09:40] <richardkillingsw> amd [09:40] <lewwy> hes leaning towards the p4 [09:40] <richardkillingsw> get the amd [09:40] <lewwy> but like, why [09:40] <SquareGuy> lewwy, ummm lets see here........ AMD [09:40] <george___> P4 eat more energy than amd [09:40] <richardkillingsw> p4 sucks [09:40] <george___> AMD eat less energy [09:40] <nickrud> price [09:40] <george___> amd cheaper [09:40] <taz_> nickrud, ok .. thx :) Btw.. it is missing jpegtran.. do you know if i can find this package as a .deb package or something? [09:40] <richardkillingsw> slow as hell man [09:40] <Razor-X> you get more bang for the buck using AMD [09:40] <george___> amd just not as gay as p4 [09:41] <richardkillingsw> i have a amd [09:41] <richardkillingsw> its really fast [09:41] <george___> i got 64 3000 at 2.5 ghz [09:41] <Razor-X> george___: is there anything wrong with homosexuality? [09:41] <casperl> re palm zire 31 sync with ubuntu 5.04, I have done everything listed in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/pastebin.php?download=921 - can anyone provide any further suggestions? [09:41] <Razor-X> ;) [09:41] <george___> hey razor [09:41] <richardkillingsw> and mine is a 3000+ [09:41] <george___> any way to partition this ccrap? [09:41] <richardkillingsw> too [09:41] <george___> what i gootta do [09:41] <Razor-X> george___: the key lies in mdadm [09:41] <george___> mdadm? [09:41] <george___> what? [09:41] <Razor-X> follow the guide [09:41] <RocketD> AMD is considerbly a better performer at this point vs a P4 and it has alot better cost advantage. Go AMD, you wont regret it. =) [09:42] <george___> how the heck am i if i don't understand a damn word [09:42] <SquareGuy> I can't say what P4's actually do in this forum but it rhymes with luck stock [09:42] <george___> i GOT a RAID0 Device [09:42] <george___> 320.1gb [09:42] <george___> do i have to make it into ext3 [09:42] <george___> swap [09:42] <george___> yeah sigh [09:42] <Razor-X> george___: I suggest you do some reading into this, and then come back [09:42] <olivier> is there a kernel-headers package with ubuntu? [09:42] <george___> i did [09:42] <nickrud> taz_, I don't complie much these days, but packages.ubuntu.com can probably help you out [09:42] <george___> fuck, if i didn't i just wouldn't dive in [09:42] <Razor-X> if you can't understand this stuff, I can't really put it into a digestable format unless I have physical contact with your system [09:43] <olivier> (I'm trying to figure out why the nvidia installer says it doesn't find my kernel source) [09:43] <george___> question is simple [09:43] <taz_> nickrud, ill try that.. thx :) [09:43] <george___> do i have to config the 320gb partition [09:43] <george___> OR is it fine [09:43] <RocketD> Anyone here use fwbuilder on ubuntu? [09:43] <SquareGuy> olivier, all you should need is the headers and they are probably installed by default just use synaptic and sezarch for them [09:43] <SquareGuy> olivier, i meant not by default, whoops [09:44] <Razor-X> george___: you have to use mdadm to make md devices that pool the RAID partitions together in a way other software can read it [09:44] <olivier> SquareGuy: ok, I'll restart X ... [09:44] <Razor-X> the process is detailed in the guide [09:44] <george___> i did that [09:44] <george___> ALREADY [09:44] <george___> HOLY MAN [09:44] <taz_> nickrud, no success.. but ill find it in some way :) [09:44] <george___> i just said i did that in the first 2 lines i was here [09:45] <george___> now i just want to know if i have to make the partition from the 2 hds into something like ext3 [09:45] <Razor-X> george___: so you used mdadm, and you have your menu.list reflecting the resulting ``md'' devices? [09:45] <nickrud> taz_, jpegtrans is in some debian lib, trust me. you'll just have to find the equiv name :) [09:45] <george___> yes [09:45] <george___> raid0 [09:45] <Razor-X> not raid0.... [09:45] <nickrud> s/ubuntu/debian/ [09:45] <Razor-X> it has to be like md0, and stuff [09:45] <Razor-X> if you used mdadm [09:45] <george___> what? [09:45] <george___> where [09:45] <george___> where [09:45] <george___> where [09:45] <pax> relax [09:45] <Razor-X> george___: stop flooding [09:45] <george___> config software raid? [09:45] <Razor-X> read the guide, it explains it _all_ [09:46] <SquareGuy> has anyone seen/used this case? - http://store.yahoo.com/directron/cslx6a19.html [09:46] <george___> i dont have live cds [09:46] <george___> i just downloaded amd 64 [09:46] <olivier> how can I know if I have an amd64 K8 smp or not? [09:46] <george___> i got a md0_raid0 [09:46] <freesbie> Hello Seveas :) [09:47] <SquareGuy> olivier, if you don't know then you don't. just type cat /proc/cpuinfo to be sure [09:47] <Razor-X> george___: try adding that in [09:47] <lewwy> ok, so i need some serious good reasons to put amd over p4 [09:47] <lewwy> apart from price [09:47] <Razor-X> and yes, you can format it with any fs [09:47] <lewwy> and the obvious stuff [09:47] <george___> what? [09:47] <george___> so what i have to format it 2 [09:47] <george___> do i have to format? [09:47] <george___> where is my home [09:47] <george___> swap [09:47] <george___> boot [09:47] <george___> and all that crap? [09:47] <Razor-X> george___: yeah [09:47] <olivier> SquareGuy: thanks [09:47] <george___> ah fook [09:47] <george___> this is bs [09:47] <SquareGuy> olivier, np [09:47] <george___> so from the raided partition [09:48] <george___> i have to format, create swap, home dirctroies and all/ [09:48] <Razor-X> you add the fs onto it, install the files then, in the Ubuntu installer [09:48] <SquareGuy> lewwy, amd is faster dude just check some reviews at anandtech.com or tomshardware.com, price is al;so better [09:48] <george___> i using busted laptop [09:48] <Razor-X> and then GRUB should configure to use it [09:48] <george___> install the files? [09:48] <george___> what files? [09:48] <taz_> nickrud, oh.. ok [09:48] <george___> what the mount point be ? [09:49] <olivier> bah, I'll grab the generic ones ... [09:49] <george___> do i have 2 create a swap and everything or does the installer do it automatically? [09:49] <Razor-X> george___: the installer will install the files [09:49] <george___> so what do i have 2 do? [09:50] <Razor-X> but, you have to make your own swap and whatever [09:50] <Razor-X> because of this problem [09:50] <george___> yeah [09:50] <olivier> grrrrrr it won't work [09:50] <SquareGuy> olivier, whats not working? [09:51] <nickrud> taz_, I think what you are looking for is libjpeg-progs, it has /usr/bin/jpegtran [09:51] <olivier> installing the nvidia display drivers [09:51] <SquareGuy> olivier, you dl them from nvidia i am assuming? [09:51] <olivier> yep [09:51] <SquareGuy> so what is happening [09:52] <taz_> nickrud, ahhh thx man! :) [09:52] <Razor-X> anyone here have experience with mpd? [09:52] <olivier> the display is fine, I'm not complaining (with the reverse engineered drivers I guess), but I have a hard time compiling some openGL librairies ... so I'd like to use the nvidia ones ... [09:52] <nickrud> taz_, I found that by doing apt-cache depends gallery [09:53] <olivier> well, the installer simply doesn't work, saying it doesn't find the kernel interface, and so proposing to compile it for my kernel, but it fails telling me it doesn't find my kernel sources of something like that [09:53] <SquareGuy> olivier, so what is happening when you try to install them? [09:53] <taz_> nickrud, yeah..to be honest i checked depends on gallery and found that too.. but i did not know that jpegtran was included in that... hehe.. [09:53] <olivier> I have the kernel sources [09:53] <taz_> nickrud, i did not think that far ;) [09:53] <SquareGuy> okay, ill assume that you have gcc and everything installed. [09:53] <nickrud> taz_, practice :) [09:54] <taz_> nickrud, hehe :) [09:54] <olivier> and I even compiled them (or at least I did something that took like 45 mins to compile) [09:54] <SquareGuy> olivier, all you need is the headers but if you have the sources you will need to make sure they are setup first. the easiest way is with the headers... trust me [09:54] <olivier> I grabbed the .conf file being used, renamed it to something like .config (or whatever), and I did something ... [09:54] <olivier> I've just installed the headers [09:55] <olivier> do you think I have to log out of tty1 and relog in ? [09:55] <SquareGuy> olivier, for you exact kernel revision? [09:55] <f_newton> where is services located on the gui? [09:55] <olivier> SquareGuy: ha well, that's a good question :p [09:55] <Buffy_stufd> ;) [09:55] <olivier> olivier: exact is a big word ... I guess, they are pretty close, let me check [09:55] <nickrud> olivier, to get the right headers, do sudo aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` [09:56] <DukGalNamu> i got a problem with the ubuntu install of wine [09:56] <benplaut> don't we all [09:56] <olivier> nickrud: will do [09:56] <DukGalNamu> Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels [09:56] <DukGalNamu> to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file [09:56] <DukGalNamu> i get that error [09:57] <taz_> nickrud, now my gallery will look more nice thx to you ;) [09:57] <benplaut> are you on a computer with an odd resolution? [09:57] <DukGalNamu> and wine exits with an error code 7 [09:57] <benplaut> (like a wide-screen laptop) [09:57] <DukGalNamu> nope [09:57] <nickrud> taz that's as close as I get to compiling these days, glad I could help :) [09:57] <benplaut> hmm [09:57] <taz_> nickrud, is there a simple way to reconfigure apache2 to add this: "--enable-module=rewrite" ? [09:57] <benplaut> !wine [09:57] <ubotu> I don't know, benplaut [09:57] <benplaut> oh, come on [09:57] <DukGalNamu> !dance [09:57] <nickrud> taz_, not a ** clue, no apache here ;) [09:57] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, DukGalNamu [09:58] <benplaut> don't play with the bot :P [09:58] <DukGalNamu> !limbo [09:58] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: Wish i knew [09:58] <benplaut> (i get told that too much) [09:58] <linlin> How can I install TCL on my system? apt-get install tcl returns that it is not a valid package... [09:58] <nickrud> once ;P [09:58] <mebaran151> crimsun [09:58] <mebaran151> argh, I wish he were here [09:58] <PM-Mewveez> damn [09:58] <mebaran151> linlin, apt-cache search tcl [09:58] <DukGalNamu> benplaut: i was hoping for more usability like the bot in ##c++ [09:58] <PM-Mewveez> that was one hell of a movie [09:58] <Razor-X> mebaran151: you're the one that suggested mpd! [09:58] <mebaran151> and install what it does [09:58] <PM-Mewveez> wow [09:58] <lomu> nas [09:58] <Mugendai> Heya, was looking for a lil support [09:58] <mebaran151> Razor-X, huh [09:59] <taz_> nickrud, okis :) [09:59] <olivier> nickrud, SquareGuy : aptitude ... is not doing anything, so I guess I have them ... [09:59] <mebaran151> mpd? [09:59] <benplaut> this is a blootbot :P [09:59] <PM-Mewveez> go see stealth [09:59] <PM-Mewveez> seriously [09:59] <PM-Mewveez> worth every penny of eight bucks [09:59] <PM-Mewveez> im going tomorrow [09:59] <lomu> ei, anithin know because not found framebuffer with a vanila kernel? [09:59] <Razor-X> Music Player Daemon [09:59] <PM-Mewveez> gotta see that one ont he screen [09:59] <Mugendai> just installed Ubuntu, apprently ended up with a default resolution/refresh rate thats invalid [09:59] <olivier> let me note down the message I get from the nvidia installer [09:59] <taz_> Question.. i wanna add "--enable-module=rewrite" for Apache2.. How do i do this the easiest way? [09:59] <linlin> XD: >ubotu< tcl ........ ubotu: Are you smoking crack? [09:59] <PM-Mewveez> that was hot [09:59] <Mugendai> screen is too wavey to read [09:59] <Razor-X> !tell Mugendai about resolution [10:00] <Mugendai> thank you [10:00] <DukGalNamu> linlin: that was random [10:00] <Mugendai> I'll hold tight to the WiKi [10:00] <linlin> i thought it was funny... [10:00] <linlin> im sorry :( [10:00] <DukGalNamu> Mugendai: i had the same problem [10:01] <Yagisan> G'day. Does anyone have a hoary pbuilder setup on powerpc ? [10:01] <benplaut> ubotu wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run [some] windows programs. To install a recent version, go through the tutorial at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996 to find more information, as well as a list of applications that will work with wine, go to www.winehq.org [10:01] <mebaran151> Razor-X, that [10:01] <ubotu> benplaut: okay [10:01] <mebaran151> what does it do anyway [10:01] <DukGalNamu> Mugendai: you need to find the right resolution for your computer then set it [10:01] <mebaran151> I acutally never used it [10:01] <benplaut> !wine [10:01] <mebaran151> it just sounded cool [10:01] <Razor-X> mebaran151: it's a daemon that plays music [10:01] <mebaran151> yeah [10:01] <mebaran151> like cplay [10:01] <benplaut> thanks, ubotu :) [10:01] <Razor-X> cool concept -- not workin here though [10:01] <mebaran151> but how is different [10:01] <mebaran151> it seems like it is network thing [10:01] <Razor-X> it works even when X shuts down [10:01] <Razor-X> I was switching WMs, an wanted music ;) [10:01] <Razor-X> mebaran151: when I call mpd, I get an error [10:01] <olivier> bah, it's really long [10:02] <mebaran151> heheh [10:02] <mebaran151> weird [10:02] <DukGalNamu> benplaut: wow, how does that work? [10:02] <DukGalNamu> benplaut: whats the syntax? [10:02] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I am back on 32 bits [10:02] <olivier> in short, it says I need to "have configured the kernel sources matching your kernel..." [10:02] <mebaran151> I skimmed out [10:02] <benplaut> !tell DukGalNamu about add [10:02] <Razor-X> mebaran151: hmmm, I see [10:03] <PM-Mewveez> can i delete /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 and resize /dev/hda3 to become /dev/hda1 ? [10:03] <stjepan> heya [10:03] <DukGalNamu> hehe [10:03] <stjepan> Is there a program like task manager on Windows [10:03] <Razor-X> PM-Mewveez: get Partition Magic, or use QTParted [10:03] <stjepan> I mean graphical, not text [10:03] <nickrud> benplaut, you fixed the spelling :) [10:03] <DukGalNamu> ubotu kirk is KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!! [10:03] <olivier> it also says that "if you specified a separate output directory using either the "KNUILD_OUTPUT" or the "O" KBUILD parameter make sure to specify this directory with the SYSOUT environment variable [10:03] <benplaut> yes :P [10:03] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: okay [10:03] <DukGalNamu> !kirk [10:03] <ubotu> well, kirk is KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!! [10:03] <stjepan> so? [10:04] <olivier> and there's also something about the SYSSRC environment variable ... [10:04] <DukGalNamu> -_-" [10:04] <benplaut> ubotu forget kirk [10:04] <ubotu> benplaut: i forgot kirk [10:04] <benplaut> don't give it useless stuff... [10:04] <DukGalNamu> that didn't work how i planned [10:04] <nickrud> and that's how it works [10:04] <benplaut> i can't beleive ubotu didn't have an entry for WINE... [10:05] <SquareGuy> olivier, yeah that is a problem. if you have the same sources and patches as your current kernel just make sure they are untarred/linked to /usr/src/linux copy the config file from /boot to /usr/src/linux/.config do a make mrproper and a make modules. i'm thinking thats all that would need to be done. anyone feel free to correct me if im wrong [10:06] <PM-Mewveez> Razor-X: gparted does it just fine :) [10:07] <PM-Mewveez> im gonna go watch another movie now.. toodles [10:07] <f_newton> I am going to try one more time to install and use thunderbird [10:07] <f_newton> dang these small laptop screens [10:07] <SquareGuy> well gota run, need some sleep [10:07] <olivier> SquareGuy: ok, I already did the mrproper I think ... I'll do the modules [10:08] <nickrud> f_newton, for a small screen, you may want to switch to mutt, it's a nice console mail client [10:08] <taz_> Question.. i wanna add "--enable-module=rewrite" for Apache2.. How do i do this the easiest way? Is this possible to include when installing apache2 as a package from the package manager or must i do this manual? [10:08] <f_newton> I want the advanced junk mail filtering that thunderbird provides [10:08] <sexcopter8000m> morning, does anyone know kino? [10:08] <f_newton> evolution works fine but the old version provided by ubuntu doesnt filter well [10:08] <cisa> hi, is there any unofficial kernel >= 2.6.12 for ubuntu? normally i don't want such new things but my soundcard isn't supported by 2.6.10. [10:09] <sexcopter8000m> i want to use it (or any other programmes you can suggest) to make a video clip from some jpegs [10:09] <nickrud> you can use spamassassin, or any other filter prior to any mail client. [10:09] <SquareGuy> olivier, im not sure you might need to build lernel too. im not sure what all nvidia is looking for. if it bitches that your source do not match your kernel i would uninstall the headers/sources and install just the headers making sure they are the correct ones [10:09] <cisa> sorry, i'm talking about an kernel-image :) [10:09] <psychonate> sexcopter8000m, I think you can do that with mplayer [10:09] <cisa> s/an/a [10:09] <psychonate> sexcopter8000m, rather, mencoder* [10:09] <f_newton> I tried to find services to activate spam assasin but I couldnt figure it out [10:09] <linlin> taz_, i'd imagine you'd have to recompile for that...do it manually in other words [10:09] <olivier> ha .... in fact setting the SYSSRC path the the newly installed kernel-headers is working [10:09] <Razor-X> anyone here read Wheel of Time? [10:10] <jbpunk> who can help me ,about type?? [10:10] <taz_> linlin, ok.. so i remove the package in package manager then? [10:10] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, that is complete OT, please take it elswhere [10:10] <znh> Razor-X: no, where does it go about? [10:10] <olivier> however, nvidia suggest that I'd update to at least 2.6.11 cause it's saying there are issues with 2.6.10 ... :'( [10:10] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: that's true [10:10] <sexcopter8000m> thanks psychonate [10:10] <SquareGuy> olivier, cool [10:10] <sexcopter8000m> i'll come back if i have trouble with that as well ;) [10:10] <psychonate> sexcopter8000m, http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-enc-images.html [10:10] <linlin> taz_, yes, then get the source from apache.org and compile it. its pretty straightforward [10:10] <psychonate> sexcopter8000m, that should help [10:10] <taz_> linlin, ok thx :) [10:10] <linlin> yup [10:11] <cisa> or can i use debian kernel-images for ubuntu? it's important that there is an initrd with s-ata stuff in he package [10:11] <znh> what the.. I can still hear my laptop making noise.. but the power is off(and the battery is not in) [10:11] <olivier> ha, I give up ... now it's complaining itself about opengl ... [10:11] <olivier> so I guess opengl is completely borked on my system [10:11] <Razor-X> i'll ask one last time before bed (since I see new users), does anyone here have mpd experience? [10:11] <jbpunk> who can speak Chinese ??? [10:12] <craig> Hey [10:12] <znh> jbpunk: currently not [10:12] <Razor-X> jbpunk: #ubuntu-<two-letter-language-code> [10:12] <znh> changie pankie [10:12] <jbpunk> I am Chinese [10:12] <linlin> jbpunk, thats cool [10:12] <Razor-X> (I don't know the two-letter code for Chinese) [10:12] <f_newton> lol well that was screwy [10:13] <f_newton> brb [10:13] <Razor-X> (English is ``en'') [10:13] <olivier> ... what is the X configuration tool ? [10:13] <craig> I just have a question how do i go about getting smb working..? Thank You [10:13] <nickrud> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [10:13] <DukGalNamu> znh: if your laptop is off, and its still making noise... either you need to take your poor hamster out of there, or something is shorting and you should take out the battery [10:13] <benplaut> oliver: there is none (for GUI) [10:13] <nickrud> oliver ^^ [10:13] <jbpunk> I know you say , but my en is very poor!!! [10:13] <benplaut> !xserver-xorg [10:13] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, benplaut [10:14] <znh> DukGalNamu: I think Iam just getting paranoid [10:14] <olivier> benplaut: I'm in a shell anyway ;) [10:14] <benplaut> hmm [10:14] <Razor-X> i'm 15 ;) [10:14] <Razor-X> errr [10:14] <benplaut> well, then do that ^^ [10:14] <mgcross> hmmm...how far away from Breazy going beta/gold....have lost track of time since moving here to Lorea....feel like I'm in a timewarp.... [10:14] <mgcross> lol [10:14] <DukGalNamu> znh: hamsters are clever little buggers, so i would check anyways [10:14] <mgcross> Korea [10:14] <DukGalNamu> znh: besides, it wouldn't hurt to take out the battery and see if it still makes noise [10:14] <Razor-X> mistype [10:14] <nickrud> mgcross, I'm kinda hoping it'll be usable by mid august [10:14] <znh> DukGalNamu: :-D [10:15] <DukGalNamu> mgcross: why is everyone moving to korea [10:15] <benplaut> ubotu xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, in the terminal, type "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (sans the ""). [10:15] <ubotu> ...but xserver is already something else... [10:15] <benplaut> !xserver [10:15] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xserver is or !xwindows [10:15] <benplaut> ahh [10:15] <benplaut> !xwindows [10:15] <ubotu> somebody said xwindows was Linux freedom Style, User power, or RAM stingy speed Ubuntu linux is what you want it to be. http://xwinman.org/ [10:16] <Mugendai> I'll go ahead and reccomend this to anyone listening who can do anything about it [10:16] <nickrud> rofl [10:16] <znh> hm non-self defensing bot [10:16] <benplaut> completely not useful [10:16] <Mugendai> it would be goof if during install it tested that your monitor is succesfully displaying the choosen video settings [10:16] <Mugendai> and did a fallback to lower setting or text if the user does not respond [10:16] <benplaut> ubotu forget xserver [10:16] <ubotu> i forgot xserver, benplaut [10:17] <se7enone> i am having a problem with sound. no matter how i adjust the different volume controls, i still get distortion... [10:17] <benplaut> ubotu xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, in the terminal, type "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (sans the ""). [10:17] <ubotu> okay, benplaut [10:17] <nickrud> !xserver [10:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, in the terminal, type "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (sans the ""). [10:17] <znh> se7enone: you sure the master and the PCM is at 70% [10:17] <se7enone> znh: are they supposed to be set to 70? and why? [10:17] <DukGalNamu> ubotu: you SUCK! [10:17] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: Bugger all, i dunno [10:18] <DukGalNamu> ... [10:18] <znh> ubuto forget xserver [10:18] <Razor-X> one last last time [10:18] <znh> ubotu forget xserver [10:18] <ubotu> znh: i forgot xserver [10:18] <Razor-X> anyone have mpd experience? ;) [10:18] <DukGalNamu> ubuto? [10:18] <znh> ubotu xserver test [10:18] <ubotu> znh: Are you smoking crack? [10:18] <znh> do you? [10:18] <Razor-X> ok then, bed time [10:18] <Razor-X> night [10:18] <se7enone> znh: are they supposed to be set to 70? and why? [10:18] <znh> ubotu [10:18] <znh> !xserver [10:18] <ubotu> znh: Are you smoking crack? [10:19] <znh> man what's wrong with the dev's [10:19] <znh> se7enone: If higher, you might get distr [10:19] <DukGalNamu> znh: i think they were smoking crack [10:19] <znh> well yea.. maybe that's why ubuntu is that great [10:19] <DukGalNamu> ... [10:19] <DukGalNamu> -_-" [10:20] <DukGalNamu> umm [10:20] <znh> -_-' ? [10:20] <DukGalNamu> sure [10:20] <DukGalNamu> whynot [10:20] <nickrud> znh, cafuego (the owner of ubotu) recommends #debian-bots for experimentation [10:20] <znh> lets open his eyes [10:20] <znh> o_O' [10:20] <DukGalNamu> dang.. where can i get a good bot? [10:20] <Buffy_stufd> infobot [10:20] <Mugendai> bah [10:20] <znh> DukGalNamu: make one at your self [10:20] <DukGalNamu> i tried eggdrop.. but couldn't get it working [10:21] <Buffy_stufd> ubotu is the next gen of "infobot" [10:21] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: Are you smoking crack? [10:21] <Mugendai> ookay so I did the reconfigue of xorg... [10:21] <Mugendai> but now I just errors on boot [10:21] <Buffy_stufd> ubotu you are a genius [10:21] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: I think you lost me on that one [10:21] <mgcross> DukGalNamu: heh...I didn't know everyone was.....tell me where they ARE please....I'm sooooo lonley...lol [10:21] <DukGalNamu> ROFL [10:21] <Mugendai> No symbols found skipping [10:21] <znh> DukGalNamu: what kind of bot you do need?; maybe I can make one for you [10:22] <george___> does nforce 4 work good with linux [10:22] <Razor-X> the next generation of ``infobot'', ``Infobot -- the addict'' [10:22] <Razor-X> XD [10:22] <DukGalNamu> mgcross: lonely???? where the hell are you? in the mountains? [10:22] <GudyUbuntu> sounds like I finally managed to do it :) [10:22] <Mugendai> Unable to find valid framebuffer [10:22] <Buffy_stufd> :x [10:22] <george___> does nforce 4 work good with linux [10:22] <Razor-X> (he must be pretty addicted to crack, after all) [10:22] <Razor-X> anyways, night all [10:22] <DukGalNamu> mgcross: just get yourself a hot chick ;) [10:22] <znh> night Razor-X [10:22] <george___> good night [10:22] <nickrud> night [10:22] <Mugendai> Screens found, but none have a usable config [10:22] <Buffy_stufd> G'night Razor-X [10:22] <george___> it's almost 5 [10:22] <Mugendai> no screens found [10:22] <DukGalNamu> znh: a good one :P [10:22] <george___> i gotta get some sleep [10:22] <GudyUbuntu> GudyUbuntu == olivier [10:22] <znh> olivier == GudyUbuntu [10:23] <znh> do loop [10:23] <znh> spam, /quit [10:23] <mgcross> DukGalNamu: LOL! Yeah, kinda....Cheonan...plenty 'o people, but few westerners....can't get me a hot chick...my wife and son are her as well... [10:23] <DukGalNamu> znh: i need it to dish out info like this one, easily configured, and it needs to be able to respond to things like !kirk correctly [10:23] <sexcopter8000m> ok, i think i need to resize my jpegs first... is there a convenient tool to resize a bunch of jpegs? [10:23] <mgcross> *here [10:23] <znh> DukGalNamu: for what channel? [10:23] <olivier> no more need for the command line irc ... thanks all :) [10:23] <DukGalNamu> #datalk [10:23] <george___> i gotta get some sleep [10:23] <znh> DukGalNamu: may I join it? [10:23] <george___> does nforce 4 work good with linux [10:23] <DukGalNamu> sure [10:24] <Y0Z> hi, how can i install some universal font? [10:24] <Y0Z> utf-8 fonts! [10:24] <penticlex> does any one know how to get the network settings program to edit the network config file [10:24] <penticlex> I had to manualy edit my DNS file [10:25] <lunitik> sexcopter8000m, apt-get install imagemagick ... one of its tools can [10:25] <sexcopter8000m> cool, thanks [10:25] <penticlex> it works I just want the prog to work also [10:25] <se7enone> how can i get access to my windows drive? [10:25] <lunitik> se7enone, mount it [10:25] <se7enone> how? [10:25] <Buffy_stufd> penticles - if you are new and i am. - use apt-get or synaptic to install a freindly gui - "firestarter firewall" - no muss no fuss [10:26] <Y0Z> pengo__, echo nameserver DNS IP >> /etc/resolv.conf :) [10:26] <Y0Z> penticlex, , echo nameserver DNS IP >> /etc/resolv.conf :) [10:26] <lunitik> se7enone, fdisk -l ... which of those is windows formated? [10:26] <topyli> Y0Z: most X fonts on ubuntu seem to support utf8 [10:26] <lunitik> se7enone, and what is it formated with? NTFS or FAT32? [10:27] <se7enone> lunitik: hda1 is ntfs [10:27] <PM-Mewveez> i changed my mind [10:27] <PM-Mewveez> ive already seen this one [10:27] <lunitik> se7enone, mkdir /media/c && mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 <-- copy and paste that [10:28] <Y0Z> Generating locales... [10:28] <Y0Z> en_US.UTF-8... done [10:28] <Y0Z> ro_RO.ISO-8859-2... done [10:28] <Y0Z> ro_RO.UTF-8... done [10:28] <Y0Z> en_US.ISO-8859-1... done [10:28] <Y0Z> en_US.ISO-8859-15... done [10:28] <se7enone> lunitik: thanks [10:28] <Y0Z> Generation complete. [10:28] <lunitik> se7enone, mkdir /media/c && mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/c <-- copy and paste that [10:28] <lunitik> sorry [10:28] <lunitik> and you will only need from mount on next time [10:28] <lunitik> note its read only currently though [10:28] <topyli> Y0Z: please don't paste those on the channel. we've all seen locales generated before [10:28] <Buffy_stufd> Y0Z - you are damn good at this. - nice. [10:29] <se7enone> lunitik: will the drive be mounted if i reboot the system? [10:29] <selinium> hi all, what are the dangers of using the backports repository? [10:29] <Y0Z> i`m from romania, and some subtitles don`t work :( [10:29] <topyli> se7enone: no, you need to edit /etc/fstab [10:29] <Y0Z> sorry for the copy/paste on the channel [10:29] <lunitik> se7enone, no... you'd need to add a simular line to /etc/fstab for that [10:30] <lunitik> se7enone, as topyli just said [10:30] <Buffy_stufd> was i subtle? - didn't think i could be. - lol [10:30] <se7enone> lunitik: will do. appreciate. [10:30] <topyli> Y0Z: the viewer doesn't use a suitable font. which viewer are you using? [10:30] <se7enone> lunitik: the same line or similar? [10:30] <Y0Z> gedit [10:31] <selinium> Buffy_stufd now nown as Subtle..... :) [10:31] <penticlex> I get permission denied [10:31] <lunitik> se7enone, the format is pretty basic... just follow the layout already there... show me what you have when you're done (or topyli if I'm gone by then) [10:31] <Buffy_stufd> ;) [10:31] <bsoric> can anybody help me with an ssh problem? i just need someone to ssh into my machine and see if it works [10:31] <penticlex> and yes I used sudo [10:31] <penticlex> oddd [10:31] <lunitik> se7enone, but no, its not exactly the same... [10:31] <knowledge> apt-get install kubuntu ? to install kde and such? [10:32] <lunitik> knowledge, kubuntu-desktop [10:32] <lunitik> yes [10:32] <selinium> bsoric: ok [10:32] <knowledge> lunitik, thank you kindly [10:32] <bsoric> selinium, thanks [10:32] <sexcopter8000m> erm, what's the command to use imagemagick? [10:32] <topyli> se7enone: http://snipurl.com/gom3 [wiki.ubuntu.com] [10:32] <bsoric> selenium: ssh sshtest@144.136.197.100 [10:32] <knowledge> lunitik, and that basically means that I have ubuntu and kubuntu installed in a sense correct? [10:33] <hhurtta_> sexcopter8000m: imagemagic has lots of smaller programs to use [10:33] <lunitik> sexcopter8000m, dpkg -L imagemagick | grep bin ... something there to do with resize or munipulate [10:33] <Madpilot> hi all - another d*mned power outage - 2nd in four nights.... [10:33] <lunitik> knowledge, sure, if you want to look at it like that ;) [10:33] <george___> hi i get a error with my nforce4 raid [10:33] <penticlex> odd I had to open a term as root to do it [10:33] <george___> it says the ext3 failed [10:33] <lunitik> sexcopter8000m, imagemagick is a collection of tools [10:33] <cyphase> anyone know when Gnome is going to have tags? [10:33] <knowledge> coolness, thanks again [10:33] <george___> how do i fix? [10:34] <sexcopter8000m> ok, is there a man page i can read? [10:34] <lunitik> cyphase, define 'tags'> [10:34] <cyphase> i mean the version, not the date [10:34] <sexcopter8000m> what does -L do lunitik? [10:34] <cyphase> lunitik, like categories on a blog [10:34] <cyphase> except for files [10:34] <lunitik> sexcopter8000m, lists the contents of a package... what it installed, and where [10:34] <hhurtta_> sexcopter8000m: it lists contents of a package [10:34] <sexcopter8000m> ok [10:34] <george___> i get this message when creating ext3 file system for/ in partition #1 of raid0 device #0 [10:35] <george___> it says [10:35] <george___> failed to create a file system [10:35] <george___> the ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of raid0 device #0 failed [10:35] <george___> wwhat i do [10:35] <HrdwrBoB> george___: where do you get that message [10:35] <george___> when i am partitioning [10:36] <george___> writing the partition [10:36] <lunitik> george___, during install? [10:36] <george___> top says please wait... [10:36] <george___> yes [10:36] <selinium> bsoric: No joy i'm afraid [10:36] <george___> during install [10:36] <bsoric> damn [10:36] <bsoric> ah well, thanks anyway [10:36] <george___> i am raiding 2 160gb wd [10:36] <selinium> bsoric: are you using a router? [10:36] <george___> i have a dfi lanparty ut nf4 ultra-d [10:36] <penticlex> testing [10:36] <george___> error message happens after 100% [10:36] <penticlex> YOZ: thanks [10:36] <HrdwrBoB> george___: linux software raid? [10:37] <george___> what? [10:37] <selinium> hi all, what are the dangers of using the backports repository? [10:37] <george___> yes i said up the software raid [10:37] <george___> i made 160 into raid [10:37] <george___> then when software raid [10:37] <george___> raid0 [10:37] <george___> followed instructins [10:37] <george___> then try and partition the 320 gb hd and get error [10:37] <george___> raid0 does not lik eme [10:37] <PurpleMotion> is there a development package for superkaramba? like an rad ide or something? [10:38] <HrdwrBoB> george___: if it's linux software raid [10:38] <Buffy_stufd> george - dfi nf4 ultra-d - nice board bios is infinetly configurable. - great for OC. [10:38] <HrdwrBoB> it will be md0 [10:38] <PurpleMotion> s/a/an [10:38] <george___> yes [10:38] <george___> it says md0 [10:38] <HrdwrBoB> ok [10:38] <george___> md0_raid0 [10:38] <george___> but i get [10:38] <george___> failed to create a file system [10:38] <HrdwrBoB> does it give you anymore information [10:38] <HrdwrBoB> what does cat /proc/mdstat say [10:38] <george___> the ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of raid0 device #0 failed. [10:39] <george___> i can do a use as and it work s [10:39] <george___> but when i try and create boot and share and stuff it won't work [10:39] <lunitik> george___, during install... hit ctrl+f2 and type what HrdwrBoB said [10:39] <PurpleMotion> see that's the shit i wanna get into.. raid arrays and lvm mirroring and gigabit imaging [10:39] <PurpleMotion> where's the certification for that :D [10:39] <topyli> selinium: it's not as bad as it used to be. they're even labeled "official" now [10:40] <george___> ok [10:40] <HrdwrBoB> PurpleMotion: just get a few drives and play with it, it's deceptively easy once you understand the concepts [10:40] <HrdwrBoB> ok, time to go cook dinner [10:40] <topyli> selinium: they're unsupported of course [10:40] <george___> when do i do this [10:40] <PurpleMotion> HrdwrBoB: yeah i know, i just wanna know if there's a certification for it :D [10:40] <george___> when i click finish partitioning and wirte changes to disk? [10:40] <selinium> topli: cheers. I get a little nervous about these things occasionally! :) [10:40] <PurpleMotion> Jay needs a JOB [10:40] <PurpleMotion> heh [10:40] <lunitik> george___, after you've created to raid array... [10:40] <HrdwrBoB> PurpleMotion: there's all sorts of certification and none of it means diddly squat [10:41] <george___> ok, should i delete the 160 raid drives 2 [10:41] <PurpleMotion> It sure as hell does when you're applying for a job [10:41] <topyli> selinium: it's another thing how much you gain by using these unsupported packages. backports hoary-extras may have something you want though [10:41] <lunitik> HrdwrBoB, it provides a peice of paper saying "I can do this"... if your employer trusts you, then its unneeded though sure... [10:41] <george___> what's lgm? [10:41] <lunitik> george___, lvm? [10:41] <selinium> topli: i only normally use them for restricted files decoders. Is there a problem with getting files from backports then removing backports after? [10:42] <PurpleMotion> linux volume manager [10:42] <lunitik> george___, a kind of software raid... [10:42] <PurpleMotion> yeah [10:42] <george___> should i try that? [10:42] <PurpleMotion> a pretty nice kinda software raid, actually [10:42] <lunitik> george___, you can if you want [10:42] <topyli> selinium: no problem there [10:42] <selinium> topli: cheers! [10:42] <george___> does it work same? [10:42] <george___> cuz raid is being a pain in the dock [10:42] <george___> so ctrl + f2 when creating raid/ [10:42] <Buffy_stufd> !raid [10:42] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about [10:42] <lunitik> george___, no, else it wouldn't exist... [10:42] <Positron> can someone guide me for doing a partition of my hd before installing win and then ubuntu? [10:42] <knowledge> when people say "don't use ubuntuguide"...do they say it because of the backports used? or some other reason? [10:43] <george___> lol [10:43] <george___> sorry [10:43] <lunitik> george___, it accomplishes bascially the same thing though [10:43] <george___> 5 am didn't get no sleep [10:43] <ach> I can't start up gnome session in ubuntu the system crashes. I can onle get into recovery console mode. Can anyone help? [10:43] <george___> lol [10:43] <lunitik> basically* [10:43] <PurpleMotion> it can be somewhat intensive.. remember it's software.. if you're going with mirroring applications, remember that every byte you write to the system is being written twice, and the engine controlling it is taking cpu cycles [10:43] <george___> what difference [10:43] <george___> i just want to do a raid 0 ish thing [10:43] <george___> lgm will do [10:43] <george___> ?? [10:43] <lunitik> george___, LVM is raid without the safety... [10:44] <topyli> Positron: when you install windows, use its partitioning tool to create the windows partitions. leave some unpartitioned space at the end of the disk, that's all [10:44] <lunitik> george___, LVM not LGM [10:44] <george___> sorry [10:44] <selinium> knowledge: because it does not tell you why you are keying what you are keying. For a better understanding of what you are trying to do look it up on https://wiki.ubuntu,com [10:44] <george___> safety? [10:44] <george___> this thing anit safe [10:44] <george___> ? [10:44] <knowledge> selinium, I see, but the backports that are listed on that site are ok to use? [10:45] <Madpilot> ubotu tell knowledge about ubuntuguide [10:45] <PurpleMotion> heh, install linux first, and leave like 10 gigs for windows.. once in linux, install vmware and give it direct access to the blank space you left, then install win through that :D that way you have no native windows system and you are truly 1337 [10:45] <lunitik> george___, the different raid levels provide safety because you're making duplicates of data... LVM doesn't do this... it just makes the drives seem as one... [10:45] <topyli> knowledge: there's an official backports repository now. only hoary-extras must be fetched from outside archive.ubuntu.com [10:45] <knowledge> yeah, it used to be in the topic, but I don't see it anymore [10:46] <PurpleMotion> lunitik: which really isnt necessary (just mount it somewhere) and could suck big time if a large file got split across the drives [10:47] <george___> what's the difference between raid and lgm or whatever [10:47] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, true enough... which is why I'm not using LVM ;) [10:47] <lunitik> george___, I just told you [10:47] <george___> where [10:47] <PurpleMotion> george___: we just told you as plain as it can be told.. raid glues drives together and provides backups.. lvm only glues them together [10:48] <PurpleMotion> without providing backups [10:48] <george___> backups? [10:48] <george___> raid0 has backup [10:48] <george___> ?? [10:48] <PurpleMotion> although i've heard of lvm used for mirroring [10:48] <george___> really? [10:48] <george___> so is lvm like raid0? [10:48] <ach> "The Gnome session manager (process 7042) has crashed due to fatal error (segmentation fault)" does this look familiar to anyone? [10:48] <lunitik> george___, LVM = multiple disks functioning as one ... RAID = duplicates data across 2 or more disks to provide a way to recover from data loss [10:48] <george___> ah [10:49] <PurpleMotion> that looks like it sucks [10:49] <topyli> ach: looks like a good old crash [10:49] <george___> raid 0 has data loss protection? [10:49] <PurpleMotion> good ole reliable [10:49] <rickity> ach, where did you get your install CD? [10:49] <PurpleMotion> int he form of mirroring capabilities, yes [10:49] <george___> interesting [10:49] <george___> new 160 hds [10:49] <george___> i try lvm [10:50] <PurpleMotion> have fun [10:50] <george___> if error i fooking glueing hds [10:50] <PurpleMotion> questiont hough [10:50] <george___> purple have fun meaning good or bad? [10:50] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, I've never seen anything refering to that... LVM, you can have disks on many computers act like one though... all your systems can share a central virtual harddrive... [10:50] <rickity> ach, you should check your cd images md5 [10:50] <PurpleMotion> why? who not just mount different ones in different places [10:50] <topyli> PurpleMotion: please don't "flex" your "kde" in public :) [10:50] <george___> fuck [10:50] <george___> raid and lvm not working [10:50] <george___> peice of crap [10:50] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, don't ask me... thats the idea behind LVM1/2 though [10:50] <george___> ubuntu, windows all hates me [10:50] <PurpleMotion> george [10:51] <PurpleMotion> breathe [10:51] <ach> from the net, it has been up and running but I recently updated it and I added some programs according to the ubuntuguide [10:51] <PurpleMotion> why cant you just mount them both? [10:51] <george___> ...I wanted a big hd [10:51] <george___> instead of 2 hds [10:51] <george___> made computer go faster 2 [10:51] <topyli> ach: one of the programs you installed crashed the running session manager [10:51] <PurpleMotion> not if you're using software raid [10:51] <PurpleMotion> you'll be taking cpu cycles [10:52] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, Red Hat is pushing LVM2 also, so you may want to get your head around it somwhat... everything Red Hat pushes becomes a defacto standard in the Linux world eventually... [10:52] <PurpleMotion> you're better off, performance wise leaving them mounted seperately [10:52] <george___> ...what? raid0 improved my pc [10:52] <ach> topyli it has something to do with the registering of the session with wtmp and utmp [10:52] <PurpleMotion> because raid is HARDWARE [10:52] <PurpleMotion> :) [10:52] <topyli> ach: which are X stuff [10:52] <PurpleMotion> lvm is software, your cpu has to make it work [10:52] <vdm> xchat has ssl enabled? [10:52] <lunitik> vdm, no [10:52] <PurpleMotion> and it works allt he time [10:53] <george___> U TELLING ME TO get a raid CONTROLLER/ [10:53] <george___> ?? [10:53] <lunitik> vdm, you can turn it on though... [10:53] <george___> i got a p2 notebook that's been fooked over the years [10:53] <PurpleMotion> if you want to speed your system up, yup [10:53] <george___> i can't help [10:53] <topyli> ach: so now you cannot login to gnome? [10:53] <george___> ah fook [10:53] <vdm> lunitik, in preferances? [10:53] <george___> i need araid though [10:53] <george___> crap crap crap [10:53] <george___> ah fook [10:53] <george___> hwy me [10:53] <george___> i have about 8 dvd backups i gotta pour into machine on 1 hd [10:53] <george___> files are fooking huge [10:53] <PurpleMotion> I ask myself that sometimes.. Why George? [10:53] <PurpleMotion> :D [10:54] <knowledge> Good night everyone.... [10:54] <george___> anyway to get raid or lvm to work? [10:54] <lunitik> vdm, X-Chat > Server List > *anyserver* > Edit > there [10:54] <se7enone> night? [10:54] <george___> no way? [10:54] <george___> i need to [10:54] <PurpleMotion> why do they have to be on one hd? why not put four on one, and four on the toher [10:54] <ach> topyli: I get the login screen and put in username and pw but after this it crashes [10:54] <george___> i can't [10:54] <vdm> lunitik, Aaah, thats why i didnt find it =) Cheers [10:54] <george___> it has to be together [10:54] <george___> or the file won't run [10:54] <lunitik> vdm, you're welcome [10:54] <topyli> ach: yep. you need to clean up after the crashed session [10:55] <knowledge> thanks selinium, Madpilot, lunitik, and topyli .... [10:55] <george___> purple can u give me a guide on how to raid [10:55] <PurpleMotion> so you have to dump eight full dvd images into one directory in order for it to work? [10:55] <george___> or osmething?? [10:55] <knowledge> hell, and everyone else that has helped me so far [10:55] <PurpleMotion> !raid [10:55] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [10:55] <george___> not dump [10:55] <PurpleMotion> !lvm [10:55] <ubotu> I don't know, PurpleMotion [10:55] <ach> topyli: which means? [10:55] <george___> dvds all have termperoarly files [10:55] <george___> the rars [10:55] <PurpleMotion> ubotu what do you know, eh? [10:55] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: Bugger all, i dunno [10:55] <george___> !raid [10:55] <ubotu> george___: Are you smoking crack? [10:55] <george___> no no [10:55] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, teach it :) [10:56] <PurpleMotion> george___: go to tldp.org and search for raid and lvm [10:56] <george___> nefermind [10:56] <george___> it's 5 [10:56] <PurpleMotion> lunitik: as soon as i find it ont he wiki, i intend to [10:56] <george___> drunk/sleep [10:56] <george___> i already read raid [10:56] <george___> at that site [10:56] <Madpilot> george___: when you're away and sober, check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/RAID1 [10:56] <Madpilot> *awake [10:56] <topyli> ach: your files in /tmp, .Xauthority in your home dir, at least [10:57] <PurpleMotion> ubotu raid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto [10:57] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: okay [10:57] <Yagisan> Madpilot. RAID is broken in hoary. see http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4944 [10:58] <Madpilot> Yagisan: will read. I haven't done anything w/ RAID myself - was just searching the wiki... [10:58] <george___> raid and lvm fucked up [10:58] <topyli> topyli: in /tmp, delete the gconfd directory that belongs to you. perhaps the orbit dir as well. then delete .Xauthority and try logging in [10:58] <lunitik> That page ought to explain raid1 ... stripped right? [10:58] <PurpleMotion> someone should write or port an lvm howto to the wiki [10:58] <Yagisan> Madpilot: I run RAID5 on hoary. My "fix" is last comment on bug report [10:59] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: write it and post it! ;) [10:59] <george___> purple can u help [10:59] <george___> i still get that error [10:59] <PurpleMotion> is it alright to plagerize(sp)? [10:59] <george___> what? [10:59] <topyli> ach: see above, i seem to be talking to myself :) [10:59] <PurpleMotion> can I rip a HowTo from elsewhere, doctor it with the right apt-get's, and post it? [10:59] <george___> the ext3 file system creating in partition 2 of raid0 device 0 failed [10:59] <Yagisan> lunitik: RAID1 is mirror [10:59] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, so long as its correct, I don't see why not :) [10:59] <george___> that's the error message [10:59] <george___> the ext3 file system creating in partition 2 of raid0 device 0 failed [11:00] <PurpleMotion> right on, im on it [11:00] <george___> that the message [11:00] <PurpleMotion> been wanting a reason to get myself on the wiki :D [11:00] <george___> why it giving me that message [11:00] <lunitik> Yagisan, bah... that makes RAID0 stripped then huh? [11:00] <ach> topyli: do you mean that I have to delete the files in my home/tmp directory? [11:00] <george___> the ext3 file system creating in partition 2 of raid0 device 0 failed [11:00] <george___> grr [11:00] <george___> why [11:00] <Seveas> george___, stop it [11:00] <Yagisan> lunitik: Yes. [11:00] <Seveas> you're being obnoxious [11:00] <PurpleMotion> george___: silly question... have you PARTITIONED these disks? [11:00] <lunitik> Yagisan, k, good :) [11:00] <george___> yes [11:00] <topyli> ach: no. from /tmp, your orbit and gconfd directories [11:00] <PurpleMotion> both of them? [11:00] <george___> yes RAID VOLUME [11:00] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: you'll want to check license/copyright - don't be too blatant, in other words... [11:01] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: right on. [11:01] <topyli> ach: and $HOME/.Xauthority [11:01] <george___> so hdb it raid 160 primary [11:01] <george___> hda is raid 160 primary [11:01] <george___> now do i go into software raid? [11:01] <george___> what kinda raid? [11:01] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: heck, if you find a good resource, contact the author & ask permission to borrow & adapt for the Ubuntu wiki. they might well say yes. [11:01] <george___> RAID0, RAID1, [11:02] <george___> which raid [11:02] <Yagisan> people - before setting up RAID in hoary, look at the bug report I posted. You will waste hours if you don't [11:02] <lunitik> george___, why do you want to use RAID? you don't seem like you'd have data thats important enough (no offense intended) [11:02] <PurpleMotion> I'll tell them I did it, and add that if they'd like me to remove it, I'd be happy to [11:02] <chrisq> too bad i didnt go here before upgrading to breezy :) [11:02] <Seveas> george___, stop being obnoxious and bringing noise in the channel - get back when you're sober.... [11:02] <vladuz976> can anyone help me? my ubuntu keeps freezing, it's completely unusable [11:02] <george___> fuck u [11:02] <lunitik> chrisq, haha [11:03] <lunitik> vladuz976, breezy? [11:03] <vladuz976> lunitik: no hoary [11:03] <Seveas> vladuz976, at which point does it freeze? [11:03] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: he's having quite a hard time gluing his drives together [11:03] <Yagisan> vladuz976: D you have nvidia drivers ? [11:03] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: ask first, it's the better thing to do. [11:03] <vladuz976> Seveas: no pattern really [11:03] <lunitik> Seveas, you're an op too? or just being funny :P [11:03] <vladuz976> Yagisan: yes [11:03] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, he's giving the channel quite a hard time with his behaviour.... [11:03] <ach> topyli: I'm new to this, please explain further [11:03] <Seveas> gorilla_, we don't vote about that... [11:04] <PurpleMotion> ubotu lvm is (for the moment) http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ [11:04] <ubotu> okay, PurpleMotion [11:04] <vladuz976> this freezing just started today [11:04] <PurpleMotion> !raid [11:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, raid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto [11:04] <PurpleMotion> !lvm [11:04] <ubotu> well, lvm is (for the moment) http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ [11:04] <Buffy_stufd> george - sleep deprived - get some rest. - we'll all be here and happy to help. :) [11:04] <PurpleMotion> there we go [11:04] <lunitik> vladuz976, you install anything knew today? [11:04] <vladuz976> lunitik: yes mutt and fetchmail [11:04] <Seveas> vladuz976, anything special you did today before it started? [11:04] <Yagisan> vladuz976: Renderaccell has a bug. Memory leak and crashes. If you enabled it in xorg.conf, diable it [11:04] <vladuz976> Yagisan: disable the Rendering [11:04] <Seveas> Yagisan, please add that to the wikipage about nvidia [11:05] <pax> anyone knows how to flush mail in queu? [11:05] <Yagisan> Seveas: Where is page, and how do i edit ? [11:05] <topyli> ach: ok. do ctrl-alt-F2 to get a console. then do 'rm -rf /tmp gconfd-<youruser> /tmp/orbit-<youruser> /home/<youruser>/.Xauthority' (no quotes of course) [11:05] <Seveas> Yagisan, i'll do it ;) [11:05] <topyli> ach: then do ctrl-alt-F7 to get back to gdm [11:05] <selinium> is it possible to read your mbox file with thunderbird or similar? [11:06] <lunitik> selinium, yes... configure it to do local and point it there... [11:06] <Yagisan> Seveas: Option "RenderAccel" "false" [11:06] <vladuz976> Yagisan: just comment out that one line? [11:06] <topyli> ach: an oh, you have to login to that F2 console of course :) [11:06] <selinium> lunitik: cool. Cheers [11:06] <vladuz976> Yagisan: what about the one underneath? "allowGLXwithcomposite" [11:06] <Yagisan> vladuz976: I specifically make it false ie Option "RenderAccel" "false" [11:07] <topyli> ach: be sure to make no typos when using 'rm -rf' [11:07] <Yagisan> vladuz976: never tried allowGLXwithcomposite [11:07] <lunitik> Yagisan, you realize those spaces are just to make it pretty, right? :P [11:07] <globule> Hi ! [11:08] <lunitik> !hi globule [11:08] <vladuz976> Yagisan: what does allowGLXwith composite do? i don't even know why it's enabled [11:08] <ubotu> No idea, lunitik [11:08] <topyli> ach: i just made a typo it's /tmp/gconfd-<youruser> of course [11:08] <Yagisan> lunitik: yeah, I just grabed the output from grep and pasted [11:08] <Tauop> hi [11:08] <lunitik> damnit [11:08] <globule> lut ! lunitik :) [11:08] <selinium> Could someone put a safe sources.list page up on wiki? I'd do it but I don't know what is safe! :) [11:08] <Tauop> I have an error with dpkg -i (error 127). How can I know how to solve this error ? How can I have more information on the error ? [11:08] <lunitik> selinium, there was one [11:09] <Coss> Hello [11:09] <Yagisan> vladuz976: lets you run glx games with the composite extension loaded. They normally conflict. It's listed in the nvidia docs. [11:09] <Coss> Im sitting at windows and want to try ubuntu out, how do i install it (i have downloaded the .iso)? and how to set it so windows doesnt start? [11:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> Coss when you install ubuntu it'll install a program that will give you the choice between ubuntu and your windows [11:10] <lunitik> !install [11:10] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, lunitik [11:10] <topyli> selinium: feel free to use mine as a template: http://siltala.net/sources.list . everything below the ## UNOFFICIAL line is unsafe. also, the breezy and debian sources are unnecessary [11:10] <lunitik> !botslap [11:10] <ubotu> Wish i knew, lunitik [11:11] <lunitik> !lart ubotu [11:11] <lunitik> stupid bot [11:11] <Coss> yeah but how do i install ubuntu? :S i cant mount the cd [11:11] <lunitik> Coss, you don't mount it... you restart the machine [11:11] <Madpilot> :) I didn't know ubotu could do actions. cool! [11:11] <Magdeburger> linux for human beeings, lunitik *g* [11:11] <tikka> anyone here got an ati graphics card working with good screen redraw rates? (mine is sucking bad) [11:11] <Coss> lunitik, where do i lay it? [11:11] <lunitik> Coss, umm... in the CD drive? [11:12] <ach> Topyli: The Gnome session manager (process 7187) has crashed due to fatal error (segmentation fault) error number has changed, I'm looking at the details [11:12] <selinium> topyli: Cheers, there are plenty of HOWTO's on changing the sources.list file. But not one that says, use this for this, use this for that, use this to break your ubuntu.... :) [11:12] <topyli> selinium: the real url is http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list , sorry [11:12] <Coss> i dont have it on cd [11:12] <tikka> glxgears says, "1846 frames in 5.0 seconds = 369.200 FP". [11:12] <selinium> topyli: cheers [11:12] <lunitik> Coss, then it might help to burn it on to one [11:12] <ZincX> lol [11:12] <Coss> you must? [11:12] <Yagisan> anyone here with a powerpc hoary pbuilder setup ? [11:13] <lunitik> Coss, I suppose not... no... only if you want to install it... [11:13] <Coss> hehe [11:13] <topyli> ach: hrm. i found that there's also a .gconfd directory in your home dir. so, in addition to the others, you may have to delete that too [11:14] <topyli> ach: if removing all those doesn't help, your problem lies elsewhere. then perhaps it's easiest to reboot [11:14] <Madpilot> selinium: there actually is a wiki page called BreakMyUbuntu - look it up! ;) [11:15] <lunitik> Madpilot, all it need say right now is "Upgrade to Breezy" [11:16] <Madpilot> lunitik: yeah, probably! [11:17] <selinium> Madpilot: I have seen this before in my travels through the wiki in search of sources. [11:17] <ach> topyli: I'm rebooting, lets see [11:17] <topyli> ach: good luck [11:18] <PurpleMotion> that's right [11:18] <PurpleMotion> I am a pimp [11:19] <ach> topyli, I'm embarresed to say that all I needed was to reboot. I have worked too much with windows I guess [11:20] <ach> topyli, thanx [11:20] <topyli> ach: it certainly wasn't necessary. we just weren't able to fix the real problem [11:21] <topyli> ach: sometimes we just have to admit it :) [11:22] <Yagisan> topyli: I notice you have a few games listed in your sources.list [11:22] <Sionide> hrm [11:22] <Sionide> why do i get no sound when playing stuff on flash? [11:22] <topyli> Yagisan: yeah, unstable releases of some niceties [11:23] <selinium> whats the command line that tell you what chipset you are using. (686) I can't find it :( [11:23] <daniellewis> hello, can Ubuntu run on an ntfs drive? I have heard that RedHat can't, but can Ubuntu do it? [11:23] <topyli> Yagisan: wormux for example doesn't work on my box at all :) [11:24] <Buffy_stufd> !flash [11:24] <ubotu> it has been said that flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [11:24] <Sionide> daniellewis, doubt it, linux support for ntfs is dodgy at best at the moment - i can access my ntfs hard disk, but i cannot write to it [11:24] <Buffy_stufd> :/ - not much help there... [11:25] <Sionide> *shrug* [11:25] <Sionide> it works [11:25] <parabolize> daniellewis, why do you want to? [11:25] <Sionide> it runs the animation/whatever it is - but it doesn't give any sound.. [11:25] <Madpilot> Sionide: I think the no-sound prob is due to Macromedia... [11:25] <Sionide> bah [11:25] <Sionide> the "settings" window is borked as well [11:25] <Sionide> doesn't have any writing on it [11:25] <daniellewis> I was hoping to set up a dual boot Windows XP with Ubuntu. [11:26] <Madpilot> daniellewis: you can. just not entirely on NTFS drives [11:26] <Sionide> daniellewis, you can do that - just format the ubuntu partition as ext3 [11:26] <daniellewis> Madpilot & Sionide, hmmm ok, I'll have to check that out. [11:27] <Sionide> if you put the ubuntu cd in and reboot, it'll try and install in the free space [11:27] <Sionide> and will create its own partition [11:27] <Madpilot> daniellewis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo [11:27] <daniellewis> thanks [11:27] <ZincX> whats DNS-howto link ? [11:28] <Buffy_stufd> selenium - is uname -a what you wanted? - linux version and kernel? [11:28] <Sionide> !dns [11:28] <ubotu> Sionide: No idea [11:28] <Sionide> ? [11:28] <Sionide> *shrug* [11:28] <ZincX> :S [11:28] <Sionide> !macromedia [11:28] <ubotu> No idea, Sionide [11:29] <Buffy_stufd> Sionide - configuring your DNS servers? [11:29] <GudyUbuntu> which repository has the wine package? [11:29] <zever> !info wine [11:29] <ubotu> wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050310-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1248 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB [11:29] <Sionide> ZincX was asking, not for me [11:30] <ZincX> Buffy_stufd, im tryin [11:31] <Sionide> is mozilla firefox 1.0.4 useable yet? [11:31] <Sionide> huh [11:31] <Sionide> i mean, the latest version [11:31] <zever> Sionide, yes [11:31] <Sionide> it was broken at one time.. [11:32] <GudyUbuntu> I can only see the packahe wine-doc:'( [11:32] <ZincX> 1.0.4 ? [11:32] <ZincX> 1.0.6 is out ? [11:32] <zever> ZincX, 1.0.6 is in the repos [11:32] <Buffy_stufd> Zincx - best i could find. - sry. been using a gui "firestarter" pretty easy but it doesn't do it all. ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5690&page=2 [11:32] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DropShadows <-- anyone every done this in Hoary? [11:33] <Madpilot> *ever [11:33] <ZincX> oh.. [11:33] <zever> GudyUbuntu, have you enabled universe [11:34] <Sionide> oh yeah oops [11:34] <Sionide> i was reading the wrong column [11:34] <Sionide> so [11:34] <Sionide> 1.0.6 is useable ?? [11:34] <ZincX> i use 1.0.6 .. but no troubles so far [11:34] <zever> Sionide, i use it, never had problems with it [11:34] <shad0w1e> how do I edit the K menu for "all users" ? [11:34] <GudyUbuntu> zever : I guess so ... I just added a repository with the "universe" checkbox checked [11:34] <Madpilot> !repos [11:34] <ubotu> [repos] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [11:34] <Sionide> zever, must have been 1.0.5 with the problem [11:35] <zever> GudyUbuntu, have you done an update (sudo apt-get update) [11:35] <Madpilot> GudyUbuntu: check the URL that ubotu just provided ^^^ [11:35] <GudyUbuntu> will do that , zever : I'm using synaptic [11:36] <Madpilot> GudyUbuntu: just hit the "Reload" button in Synaptic, then [11:37] <GudyUbuntu> ha, they were disabled, the link was usefull :) [11:37] <stjepan> heya [11:37] <stjepan> I want to test my memory [11:37] <stjepan> how to do that? [11:38] <stjepan> my Ubuntu system often crashes [11:38] <Buffy_stufd> memtest386 - isn't it? [11:38] <Madpilot> !info memtest86+ [11:38] <ubotu> memtest86+: (A thorough real-mode memory tester), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.30-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 192 kB [11:38] <daniellewis> oooh, I like the ShipIt thing. Free is always good [11:38] <stjepan> my Ubuntu system freezes [11:38] <stjepan> every 30 mins [11:38] <stjepan> about 30 mins [11:38] <stjepan> :( [11:39] <stjepan> what is the problem? [11:39] <Madpilot> stjepan: when I had very similar probs, it was my motherboard, not my RAM... [11:39] <stjepan> I have 352 mB of RAN [11:39] <stjepan> RAM [11:39] <Madpilot> daniellewis: order a dozen, and infect your friends & family with Ubuntu [11:39] <stjepan> Madpilot: so, what should I do? [11:39] <Madpilot> stjepan: can you test your RAM in someone else's computer first? [11:39] <daniellewis> Madpilot: will do [11:39] <ZincX> is there anyway i can have RDNS without contacting my isp / [11:40] <stjepan> but Windows xp works ok [11:41] <Madpilot> stjepan: new computer? [11:41] <stjepan> well [11:41] <stjepan> no [11:41] <stjepan> it has 1.7 GHz [11:41] <stjepan> and [11:41] <stjepan> it is old [11:41] <stjepan> few years [11:41] <ValheruLord> what was the name of the default gnome theme of ubuntu? [11:41] <stjepan> three, I think [11:42] <Madpilot> ValheruLord: Human, I think [11:42] <pax> anyone using kxdocker in ubuntu? [11:42] <stjepan> ValheruLord: Human [11:42] <gorilla_> Valandil, Madpilot sound about right :-) [11:42] <gorilla_> grrr... I hate auto-complete :-( [11:43] <stjepan> so? [11:43] <Valandil> *ggg* [11:43] <hayden> if i mounted a smb share using Places->Connect to Server->SMB, how can i eject/unmount it once im done? [11:43] <anacron> auto-complete is great [11:43] <Madpilot> stjepan: not sure what to suggest then. try a new install of Ubuntu, and double-check the CDs your using? [11:43] <stjepan> hot to check? [11:43] <stjepan> how do you mean? [11:43] <Madpilot> tab-complete is great, but it's untrustworthy & you need to keep hitting TAB sometimes! [11:43] <Madpilot> ;) [11:44] <Madpilot> stjepan: did you burn your own install CD for Ubuntu? [11:44] <stjepan> no [11:44] <stjepan> oh [11:44] <stjepan> I have to go [11:44] <stjepan> sry [11:44] <Madpilot> stjepan: np - later [11:44] <stjepan> ok [11:44] <stjepan> see you [11:44] <Buffy_stufd> TAB! >> TAB! >> TAB! Ah i see it. - :) [11:44] <GudyUbuntu> still no luck [11:44] <GudyUbuntu> haaaa [11:44] <GudyUbuntu> maybe there's no wine for AMD64? [11:45] <hayden> dw i found how to unmount [11:45] <Madpilot> I'm off to sleep myself - have fun, everyone [11:45] <Buffy_stufd> gudyubuntu - there is wine on 64 - it is a bit more complicated. - google "wine chroot" [11:45] <gorilla_> nn Madpilot [11:46] <GudyUbuntu> Buffy_stufd: thanks ... I love complicated things [11:46] <Buffy_stufd> lol - good to have a sense of humor. ;) [11:47] <GudyUbuntu> (I truely understand now why it was a mistake to install that 64bits ubuntu, I'm pretty sure the 32bits would have worked great, with much less problems ..) [11:48] <Buffy_stufd> gudyUbuntu - was really hoping it would be easy too. been eyeing a new machine. [11:48] <ElVirolo> hi all [11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> hello [11:48] <ElVirolo> when i try to add to volume control applet on the panel, it doesn't appear ... could anyone help me ? [11:48] <Buffy_stufd> (crosses fingers and begins "Breezy Badger" mantra." [11:49] <GudyUbuntu> ho, just found a quite usefull page [11:49] <GudyUbuntu> with lots of the issues I've had ... [11:49] <Buffy_stufd> okay are you going to share it or do i need a bribe? [11:50] <GudyUbuntu> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu [11:50] <GudyUbuntu> I guess you know it already :) [11:50] <GudyUbuntu> found it with your google search [11:50] <Buffy_stufd> Thanks :) (bookmarked) [11:51] <GudyUbuntu> brb, rebooting [11:52] <ElVirolo> any ideas guys ? [11:53] <Buffy_stufd> Elviro - i am pretty new to this. - just wondering does this problem last after killing and restarting gnome-panel? or a reboot? [11:53] <Buffy_stufd> *shrug* [11:54] <Buffy_stufd> ubotu are you stoned? [11:54] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [11:56] <Buffy_stufd> ubotu what do you know? [11:56] <ubotu> What what? [11:56] <Bubbling_Zombie> mmm. I'm going through my synaptic and i notice the description (title) for ubuntu-docs is the same as ubuntu-quickguide. Who should i contact for that? [11:56] <Buffy_stufd> !list [11:56] <ubotu> [list] at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids [11:57] <selinium> I have an old Athlon 900 chip in my machine. If i uname -m it returns i686? If this is my hardware name should it not be K7 or something? [11:58] <jade> hello :) [11:59] <jade> anyone about who can tell me how to add another ethernet connection in ubuntu? [11:59] <Buffy_stufd> selinium - kinda quiet huh? [11:59] <jade> do i need to download kernel sources and compile a new kernel? or should the module exist? [11:59] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: i think everyone has gone to bed! :D [12:00] <Buffy_stufd> jade another connection for connection sharing? [12:00] <Buffy_stufd> "port forwarding"? [12:01] <jade> Buffy_stufd: yeah u could say that. i just put the new NIC in [12:01] <jade> its so my tivo can go get tv guides [12:01] <jade> :) [12:02] <Buffy_stufd> jade - you want Ubuntu to route traffic through it to another machine on your LAN? right? [12:02] <jade> Buffy_stufd: yerp [12:03] <jade> Buffy_stufd: i put the new card in. but system -> administration -> networking isnt showing the new card [12:03] <Buffy_stufd> NP - there are a bunch of spiffy one line "echo" commands to do it. - alas i am a newb. - heh. - i use "Firestarter" firewall to configure it. a nice GUI. [12:03] <jade> ahh ok, whats the backend? iptables? [12:03] <Buffy_stufd> jade - lspci will tell you if the machine sees it. [12:04] <Buffy_stufd> ls = list pci = pci devices [12:04] <jade> hmm two ethernet conrtollers there [12:04] <Buffy_stufd> yes. [12:06] <jade> apparently the modules is loaded too\ [12:06] <jade> haha [12:06] <casperl> re ubuntu + palm zire 31 - I have got it working - solution can be found in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54025 Thanx all! [12:06] <Buffy_stufd> insmod something. newb like me gets lost after that. - sry. [12:06] <omega_> Hello, I'm trying to install DivX for Linux, but I don't really know how to use the files I've downloaded. [12:06] <jade> tis cool Buffy_stufd [12:07] <omega_> Like, I've downloaded and untarred the package, and tried running it in the terminal by going to the directory and using ./install.sh [12:07] <omega_> It tries to install, I guess, but it keeps getting permission errors [12:07] <omega_> (I'm very new to all of this, so I'm probably doing it wrong.) [12:08] <Buffy_stufd> sudo? [12:08] <omega_> When I use sudo, nothing seems to happen. There's no output. [12:08] <zever> omega_, why not use w32codecs and mplayer to use DivX [12:09] <omega_> I didn't even know that was possible. I just googled for "divx on linux" and tried the first two links which both led to that package. [12:09] <Buffy_stufd> vlc "video lan" is also very nice cross platform. [12:09] <omega_> So if I just wanted to play a DivX movie in Totem, I could also download the w32 codec? [12:10] <expose> hi [12:10] <zever> omega_, dunno [12:10] <expose> is wine included within the CD? [12:10] <Buffy_stufd> omega - i use totem-xine [12:10] <Buffy_stufd> xine is another vide player. [12:10] <omega_> Buffy_stufd: what's the difference between that and the regular Totem? Does it include codecs by default? [12:11] <zever> omega_, i think you need to have gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg to play divx on totem [12:11] <selinium> omega_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28restricted%29 [12:11] <Buffy_stufd> ffmpeg is the decoder i think. [12:11] <omega_> Thanks, I'll try that. [12:11] <Buffy_stufd> !codecs [12:11] <ubotu> it has been said that codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats [12:12] <Buffy_stufd> !dvdcss [12:12] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: I haven't a clue [12:12] <Buffy_stufd> !xine [12:12] <ubotu> I don't know, Buffy_stufd [12:12] <Buffy_stufd> !video [12:12] <ubotu> Buffy_stufd: Are you smoking crack? [12:12] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I take it if you !something the bot tries to answer? [12:13] <Buffy_stufd> yes [12:13] <osfameron> it's for automated filesharing? [12:13] <Seveas> Buffy_stufd, please don't play/experiment with the bot [12:13] <Seveas> if you want to do that, do it in a private chat [12:13] <Buffy_stufd> Pardon me Seveas. - just checking for a list of dvd players [12:14] <Seveas> totem is good at it [12:14] <Seveas> as is mplayer [12:14] <Seveas> and i'm sure there are lots of others too :) [12:14] <Buffy_stufd> totem is okay. - it doesn't seem to work without a little downloading though. [12:15] <selinium> Seveas: when trying to choose an image i keyed uname -m and got the result -686. I am on an athlon and expected to see k7? am i wrong? [12:16] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I find both packages work well. [12:16] <Buffy_stufd> great! :) [12:16] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: Even on my 900 chip! [12:16] <Seveas> selinium, uname only tells you which kernel you installed [12:16] <Seveas> selinium, you probably installed linux-686 already ;) [12:17] <omega_> This seems pretty difficult, on the RestrictedFormats wiki page. [12:17] <omega_> Is it really necessary that I do all that universe/multiverse stuff just to install DivX? [12:17] <Seveas> yup [12:17] <Seveas> even worse: you need stuff from outside the repositories [12:17] <hayden> is there a vpn client for gnome ? [12:17] <hayden> with a gui [12:18] <selinium> Seveas: cheers, i htought the -m flag printed the machine hardware name. I take it this is renamed after the image is installed. [12:18] <omega_> Things such as DivX, which are so frequently used by so many people, should just be made repositories which can be grabbed with Synaptic. [12:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> why not use xvid? [12:18] <Seveas> omega_, that's impossible [12:18] <omega_> If the XviD FourCC can decode DivX, then I will. [12:18] <Seveas> all kinds of patent/legal problems [12:19] <omega_> Seveas: ah, I see. Too bad. [12:19] <Buffy_stufd> omega - DVD encryption is "patented" until 2 weeks ago having it on your server could get you an invitation to court. [12:20] <Buffy_stufd> the judges for the moment seem to understand "Fair use" [12:20] <hayden> is there a vpn client with a gui that i can install (not from source) [12:21] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I think if you buy a DVD or a CD you should be able to use it wherever you like. It is one of the reasons for a switch to linux. I can play/rip all my CD's [12:22] <Buffy_stufd> selinium - dunno what they were thinking. - we buy cds and dvds not lease the content. [12:23] <selinium> haydn: try http://govpn.clubnix.net/ [12:23] <selinium> haydn: GoVPN [12:23] <omega_> I guess I'll just get mplayer. [12:23] <hayden> ok thanks selinium [12:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> is there anybody who uses anjuta? [12:24] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I started to refuse to buy copy protected CD's. Actually they are not CD's the chap who owns the CD patent disagrees witht the copy protection and will not allow them to be called CD's LOL [12:25] <Buffy_stufd> selinium - huh? - didn't know that. :) [12:25] <Raptoid> selamlar. [12:25] <concept10_> how do i show the list of cron jobs scheduled to take place? [12:25] <concept10_> right now /usr/bin/updatedb is running [12:26] <Seveas> cat /etc/crontab /etc/cron*/* [12:26] <Buffy_stufd> always someone trying a fast buck. read about a court fight where a stranger patented "Linux" apparently linus torvaldis thought everyone was ethical. [12:27] <concept10_> Seveas, thanks. BTW what is updatedb for ? [12:27] <Buffy_stufd> the name linux was for a time owned by someone who had never written a line of kernel code. [12:28] <Buffy_stufd> updatedb - makes a list of all files on the disk much faster to find things that way. [12:28] <omega_> This is too confusing. I can't even download mplayer. [12:29] <selinium> omega_ Go private and i will talk you through it. [12:29] <PurpleMotion> that sucked [12:29] <Buffy_stufd> omega. - vlc - if it doesn't work on first try. i'll double your money back. - ;) [12:29] <PurpleMotion> where'd he go [12:29] <elvirolo> hi again [12:30] <antix> can I make a copy of one ubuntu installation to another harddisk somehow? [12:30] <elvirolo> i installed the ckearlocks-serenity theme, but it just doesn't come on when I choose it in the theme preferences [12:30] <Buffy_stufd> antix - sure the tar command [12:31] <hayden> selinium, what other programs do i need to install for govpn to work? [12:31] <Buffy_stufd> antix dd or partimage is another option. [12:31] <andii> new to this ... anyone an idea in why I can't find Wordpress in menus after downloading it with Synaptic? [12:31] <selinium> hayden: I do not run VPN i just pointed you in the direction of a gui vpn. [12:31] <hayden> oh ok [12:31] <hayden> i thought you use it [12:32] <antix> Buffy_stufd, but does that work for all files? do I have to boot on another partition so files are not in use? [12:32] <Buffy_stufd> antix - you're right much better to copy a disk that isn't in use. [12:34] <antix> Buffy_stufd, ok maybe I should test partimage sounds like what I need :) [12:35] <concept10_> andii, you think you may run wordpress that way? [12:36] <andii> well I did ... [12:37] <cyphase> what's the resolv.sonf syntax to make a domain such as one.two.com point to a computer in the network? [12:38] <concept10_> andii, wordpress the blog/content manager? [12:38] <andii> never seen wordpress in use, assumed that it was a kind of word processor for blogs [12:38] <cyphase> concept10_, yea [12:38] <cyphase> andii, it's a whole blogging application [12:38] <cyphase> not a "word processor" for blogs [12:38] <concept10_> I know what wordpress it [12:38] <concept10_> *is [12:39] <concept10_> it is a content manager/blog manager that runs on lamp [12:39] <cyphase> yea, i know [12:39] <cyphase> i use it :) [12:39] <andii> so if I've got Wordpress on the HDD, how do I use in and access it? [12:39] <Sputn1k> how to start my lan card when computer starting? Now i must manualy do that [12:40] <cyphase> andii, it has to be served by a webserver [12:40] <andii> use it, that is [12:40] <andii> k [12:40] <concept10_> andii, check the wordpress site, they good documentation [12:40] <andii> k [12:40] <ZincX> anyone know how to set up bind / [12:40] <concept10_> *they have (damn im tired) [12:40] <nophix> andii: you must have apache/php/mysql configured and ready, and then you read the wordpress docs [12:40] <ZincX> bind9 [12:41] <concept10_> andii, its also better to install the version on the site not in synaptic [12:41] <andii> ahhh [12:42] <andii> getting the picture now [12:43] <Buffy_stufd> andii - wordpress or the name of the app in a terminal wil bring it up. - right click on the desktop and create a new launcher when you know the app name. - devs shorten the name sometis [12:44] <andii> "wordpress" in terminal doesn't call the prog; I'm wondering what might [12:44] <nophix> Buffy_stufd: wordpress is not an app [12:45] <concept10_> andii, its not an application that you run, it is run in conjuction with apache server. [12:45] <Buffy_stufd> now i am confused. - not too hard really. - lol [12:45] <concept10_> using mysql [12:45] <andii> that's what I thought was being said [12:45] <concept10_> andii, read the site, you will understand better [12:47] <andii> thanks people, there is an essential piece of conceptual furniture about wordpress now in my head that wasn't before! [12:47] <Buffy_stufd> remember to dust it occassionally. - ;) [12:48] <andii> I hope to make more sense of the wordpress site now [12:48] <Random_Sindrom> $ make sense [12:52] <hayden> what repository do i get w32codecs from/ [12:53] <selinium> hayden: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28restricted%29 [12:54] <PurpleMotion> DURING the ubuntu install, between the partition and install options, WHERE does ubuntu mount the filesystemt hat will become / ?? [12:55] <marcus> Could I get a N00Bie run-down on re-setting my XP partition in grub? [12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> resetting? [12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> PurpleMotion: i think in /target [12:59] <joerg__> Hi -- im looking for a "diskless ubuntu" solution.. [01:00] <joerg__> I know breezy is going to provide somthing -- but are any ad-hoc solutions known? [01:01] <marcus> reesetting,,, as in It's not in my boot=up choices [01:01] <PurpleMotion> Kamping_Kaiser: tyvm [01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. [01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> marcus: you have to add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst [01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> joerg__: i don't know any [01:02] <marcus> ok,,, [01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> but I'm sure there would be some [01:02] <marcus> TY muchly Kaiser [01:02] <joerg__> Kamping_Kaiser: google seems not the way to go :( [01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> marcus: give me a minute :O [01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> fraid so joerg__ [01:02] <Nermal> PurpleMotion, just typing "mount" should tell you [01:06] <persia> One of the keys on my keyboard only works on the console. In X, the results do not match the label on the key. Could anyone suggest how I could troubleshoot this? [01:06] <piketer> hola [01:09] <nekohayo> could someone tell me if the "nicer form widgets" firefox trick still works? [01:09] <anacron> persia: try something like loadkeys <keymap> ? [01:09] <nekohayo> can't get it to untar properly [01:09] <Nameeater> I am trying to get Java to work with Opera, when I try multiple different directories for opera to look in it doesn't work, I installed the jdk, and am wondering if that is the problem, anyone made opera and java work? [01:10] <nekohayo> Nameeater, not me :P but so you may know, took me 8 months to figure out java with firefox. [01:10] <Pegasos989> o_O [01:10] <Nameeater> could you tell me how you got that working? :> [01:11] <nekohayo> ...... lmao by using the hoary backports, by FULLY using *all* their repositories (did a 1:1 copy of their sources.list) [01:11] <nekohayo> and then I think it's in ubuntuguide, apt-get install j2rethingy [01:11] <dimitris> Well a windows user just used my pc and he downloaded an exe file which he double clicked and the computer became unresponsive. I found that the file has a spyware program on it. Is there a chance that my linux box got infected? I use wine so are the fake windows files used by wine ok? [01:11] <nekohayo> but it worked. [01:11] <Nameeater> ewy :| [01:11] <nekohayo> I was shocked x_x [01:11] <Nameeater> dimitris: its very unlikely [01:12] <nekohayo> dimitris, [01:12] <nekohayo> there has been a guy TRYING to install as much virii as he could with wine [01:12] <nekohayo> they didn't work (99% of time) XD [01:12] <Pegasos989> Btw. Do I need firewalls etc in this or is this secure enough by itself? [01:12] <Pegasos989> In ubuntu that is [01:12] <homer242> hi [01:12] <Pegasos989> 'lo [01:12] <nophix> what about the other 1%? :) [01:12] <lordmansfeld> hi all [01:13] <homer242> what'is the root password by default ??? [01:13] <nekohayo> Pegasos989, I believe there is no firewall by default, so having one is always nice [01:13] <Pegasos989> k [01:13] <nekohayo> homer242, there is no root in ubuntu [01:13] <joerg__> homer242: there's no root pw [01:13] <PurpleMotion> there is no root account by default [01:13] <PurpleMotion> !root [01:13] <nekohayo> haha [01:13] <ubotu> methinks root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [01:13] <dimitris> nekohayo, good to hear :-D [01:13] <homer242> thanks [01:13] <joerg__> homer242: use "sudo bash" to get a root shell [01:13] <Pegasos989> Btw... If I use the livecd and always boot from it... It is impssible to have adware etc. cuz they all disappear with every boot? [01:13] <nekohayo> ...hey does someone have a gmail applet that WORKS currently ? [01:13] <lordmansfeld> you could also use "sudo -s" to have a root shell, i think [01:14] <nekohayo> I'm like hunting all the way over for one [01:14] <persia> anacron: There doesn't seem to be a keymap that is appropriate. The problem started when using System...Preferences...Keyboard Preferences to configure my multimedia keys. Thanks though - perhaps I'll make a custom keymap... [01:14] <nekohayo> yes, sudo -s is my fav [01:14] <nophix> Pegasos989: well, if you don't save any settings somewhere [01:14] <dimitris> Well i am going to install an antivirus because i use a fat32 partition to make windows communicate with linux just to be sure. I am between clamav and f-prot. Any suggestions? Something easy to use and light on the resources. [01:14] <anacron> persia: well good luck with that :D [01:15] <nekohayo> dimitris, the only antivirus now is for deinfecting windows machines, I think [01:15] <mihaela> windows 95 ..rulz... [01:15] <anacron> mihaela: are you trying to get bans or what? :D [01:15] <mihaela> no no.. [01:15] <mihaela> i serios.. [01:15] <mihaela> :) [01:15] <mihaela> jokeing [01:15] <omega_> I remember when I went from MS-DOS 1.01 to Windows 95 [01:16] <omega_> I was astonished [01:16] <cyphase> :) [01:16] <jtgameover> Seveas lays down the law [01:16] <Random_Sindrom> he [01:16] <Seveas> beware :) [01:16] <nekohayo> I remember when I went from 98 to ME. I was dumbfounded. [01:16] <dimitris> nekohayo, well since i already have an antivirus in windows then there is no need. Thnx!!! [01:16] <jtgameover> anyone here use fvwm? [01:16] <nekohayo> dimitris, for now I guess ^_^; [01:17] <Random_Sindrom> then wait to see ubuntu 5.10 [01:17] <nekohayo> hmm.. lunchtime [01:17] <jaegerMeister> hi folks [01:17] <anacron> jtgameover: is it somekind of tvcard thing? [01:17] <omega_> It should be said that in the years that I used Windows 98 on my Pentium 60, it barely ever crashed or showed a BSOD. [01:17] <Random_Sindrom> omega: you are a LUKY guy [01:17] <jtgameover> anacron, lol no it is a window manager [01:17] <jtgameover> i just discovered it yesterday [01:17] <mopatop> hey guys [01:18] <jtgameover> it is quite possibly the most freakin awesome thing for linux ever [01:18] <anacron> jtgameover: right... i might have tryed that [01:18] <omega_> I did get the occasional BSOD, but it was tracable to bogus programs most of the time. [01:18] <omega_> I barely ever got a hang. [01:18] <jtgameover> seriously though, if you want to WOW your friends, you gotta go with fvwm [01:18] <anacron> why? [01:18] <mopatop> I was wondering - is it possible to use the "fixed" 6x13 font (like Eterm) in GTK2 apps, such as gnome-terminal? [01:18] <lordmansfeld> is it that good? :) [01:19] <jtgameover> i mean, i was using openbox/fluxbox before, and that was pretty WOWish [01:19] <jtgameover> but fvwm sets the gold bar [01:19] <omega_> That's still mainly also because a Pentium 60 is sort of the speed that Windows 9x was designed for. [01:19] <jtgameover> the configuration options are tremendous and incredible [01:19] <omega_> It crashed five times daily when I had it on my Pentium 3 500MHz. [01:19] <jtgameover> no need for gdesklets, you can essentially write your own stuff [01:19] <jaegerMeister> i have the following problem : i installed ubuntu on a friends old notebook which unfotunately has no network interface. now i want to install xfce because it needs less ressources than gnome, and the way i want to do this is downloading the xfce .deb's, burn them to cd-rw and install them manually with dpkg -i. now my problem is : where can i find out which xfce-packages i need and where can i download them? [01:20] <Pegasos989> "To install Wine from the WineHQ APT repository, you need to configure APT to look in the right place for the Wine packages. On Ubuntu systems, and those using the Synaptic Package Manager, this can be done easily by opening up Synaptic and selecting Settings->Repositories." So... Wtf is apt and wtf is this synaptic-thingie [01:20] <Nameeater> apt-get -d would work [01:20] <mopatop> I was wondering - is it possible to use the "fixed" 6x13 font (like Eterm) in GTK2 apps, such as gnome-terminal? [01:21] <Nameeater> that should just dl the packages for you [01:21] <Pegasos989> I don't understand more than like 2 words from that sentence :S [01:21] <digitalfox|sleep> Pegasos989, System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager [01:21] <Pegasos989> k, thx [01:21] <persia> Does anyone know where gnome-control-center keeps the keymaps? It appears my keyboard is not included, and I'd lke to install a custom map. [01:23] <mopatop> or does anyone know how I can find out what fontconfig thinks my "Fixed" font is? [01:23] <Buffy_stufd> persia /etc/X11/"XORG"? - not too sure - i am new to linux also. [01:23] <yuacht> hey... i'm trying to use cdemu but i get: [Errno 6] No such device or address: '/dev/cdemu/0' (command: cdemu 0 foo.cue [01:24] <jaegerMeister> dimitris: thank you very much, i try that :) [01:25] <digitalfox|sleep> Ubuntu needs a walkthrough on first startup [01:25] <digitalfox|sleep> Because I shouldn't have to explain to someone what Synaptic is :( [01:25] <reisio> well [01:25] <reisio> most Windows users don't know what a package manager is [01:26] <reisio> so you'd have to explain that anyways [01:26] <andrew_> don't you get some pointers on the firefox default start page? [01:26] <Buffy_stufd> If it isn't so obvious it doesn't need to be explained it's wrong. - the user is always right. - sly grin [01:27] <Lhea> anyone here have some clue about bootup processes [01:27] <Buffy_stufd> okay that was trollish. [01:27] <Lhea> I have a command that I have to type in as root every time I start up ubuntu, and that's not very good for my clueless family :p [01:28] <joerg__> Lhea: what's your problem? [01:28] <aCiD2> Hey [01:28] <Buffy_stufd> Lhea - it can't be added to startup manager? [01:28] <aCiD2> I just installed Windows, after installing Ubuntu - so its nicely whiped my MBR. How can I reinstall grub? [01:28] <joerg__> Lhea: There is a directory calles /ect/init.d/ [01:28] <icewt> there's no "debian menu" equivalent in ubuntu? many programs don't appear in the applications menu [01:28] <Lhea> startup manager doesn't let me specify root commands does it? [01:28] <aCiD2> icewt - can always add em your self: apt-get install smeg [01:29] <Buffy_stufd> ect! i hate to type commands. [01:29] <joerg__> there are start/stop scripts for programs/services which shall be run on boot. [01:29] <Lhea> I'd need to somehow fit a sudo and all that shit in there [01:29] <nekohayo> icewt, I've seen the debian menu on my system once [01:29] <nekohayo> didn't know why [01:29] <reisio> aCiD2: mind if I /msg ? [01:29] <persia> aCiD2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub [01:29] <icewt> aCiD2, of course. but in debian most of such programs appear in the debian menu [01:29] <Magicdead> hum has anyone here running an apache2 server with ssl support? [01:29] <Lhea> it's a command to have my xDSL dial in, and that pptp config thingie does *not* cope with it, it is an individual program [01:29] <Lhea> hail to my ISP [01:29] <aCiD2> reisio: sure [01:29] <reisio> ah bollix [01:29] <aCiD2> persia - ermm.. I can't get into linux.. [01:29] <nekohayo> maybe because I installed stuff from marillat [01:29] <reisio> afk [01:30] <icewt> nekohayo, hm [01:30] <aCiD2> heheh, msg when your back then [01:30] <Lhea> and I need to do that with root, I tried with giving all the inet files all the rights with chmod, but the script in one of the files gets into an infinite loop [01:30] <Lhea> so I need to find another way [01:30] <andrew_> aCiD2 : can't you boot from a liveCD to repair? [01:30] <joerg__> Lhea: have a loop at /etc/init.d/ntpdate [01:30] <Magicdead> can't get ssl support for apache2 working although: Apache/2.0.53 (Ubuntu) mod_perl/1.99_14 Perl/v5.8.4 mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.4.1 PHP/4.3.10-10ubuntu4 mod_ssl/2.0.53 OpenSSL/0.9.7e configured -- resuming normal operations [01:30] <Buffy_stufd> Lhea - dunno gotta be an easier way huh? - a lot of experimentation and bash script. [01:30] <nekohayo> sorry I can't help much more [01:30] <aCiD2> andrew_: I have a gentoo live cd, would that work? [01:30] <persia> aCiD2: Boot off alternative media (livecd, rescue disk, install CD, usb, etc.. [01:31] <joerg__> Lhea: copy it do /etc/init.d/SHATEVERYOUCALLIT [01:31] <Lhea> I just can't do shellscripting :S [01:31] <aCiD2> persia: and that will still work? [01:31] <Lhea> otherwise I would have written a little program [01:31] <Lhea> I don't assume you can write a C program for it can you :p [01:31] <icewt> aCiD2, which reposity should include smeg? [01:31] <aCiD2> icewt: not sure - I think I got from a .deb actually [01:31] <aCiD2> icewt: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ [01:31] <Buffy_stufd> lol@Lhea not a chance if it isn't a gui it isn't hapenning here. [01:31] <SquareGuy> hey, i just installed the unoffical win32codec package for debian stable (sarge) and it installed correctly to /usr/lib/win32 but of course totem was unaware of them. i copied the codes over to ~/.gnome2/totem-addons and chmodded them but totem still complains it doesnt have a codec for wmv. any ideas? yes the windows media 9 codec is in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons [01:31] <Lhea> joerg__ why ntpdate? [01:32] <nekohayo> SquareGuy, you might want to use totem-xine instead [01:32] <nekohayo> for now. [01:32] <joerg__> Lhea: ntpdate is a small/easy shell-script -- you can adopt it to your needss.. [01:32] <icewt> aCiD2, ok, thanks [01:32] <aCiD2> np [01:32] <SquareGuy> nekohayo, k ill try it. thx [01:32] <persia> aCID2: once you boot, get root, noutn your ubuntu / partition, and `chroot <ubunturoot> /bin/bash`. Once here, run `mount -a`, and then you should be able to run dpkg-reconfigure. [01:32] <nekohayo> tell me if it solves it :P [01:32] <aCiD2> persia - alrighty, Ill give that a shot :) [01:32] <Lhea> oh no :( is there a scriptless way? something that doesn't require me to read 10 books before I can do it? :S [01:33] <Lhea> maybe that startup manager can do it [01:33] <Lhea> but I thought it cannot do root things [01:33] <Lhea> I really dunno :S [01:33] <joerg__> Lhea: you looked at ntpdate? [01:33] <Whistler> can i resize my ubuntu partition? [01:33] <Whistler> i wanna add more space [01:34] <Buffy_stufd> <<- has the ten books. (they make a great chair booster and ammo for shooing cats. - lol) [01:34] <aCiD2> persia - How can I get root though, I don't know my root password [01:34] <reisio> Buffy_stufd: ten books on what? [01:34] <ploum> Hi [01:34] <aCiD2> woudl sudo'ing work? [01:34] <ploum> where is this possible to talk about the installer development ? [01:35] <Pegasos989> How can I watch my completely legally downloaded *sifty eyes* movies in Ubuntu, if I downloaded them in windows to ntfs hard drives. [01:35] <Buffy_stufd> linux - mostly the black and yellow ones. ya know "X for dummies."? [01:35] <SquareGuy> nekohayo, works like a champ thanks again [01:35] <persia> aCiD2: You're booting off a gentoo livecd, right? I'm not familiar with gentoo, but their website is supposed to have decent documentation: it ought to tell you how to get root on the livecd. [01:35] <nekohayo> hey btw ... anyone have an idea _when_ gstreamer will provide some.. decent codecs to totem gstreamer? [01:35] <nekohayo> Whistler, sure is possible [01:35] <nekohayo> now.. as to why... I am not really knowledgeable about this :P [01:35] <nekohayo> how* [01:35] <ploum> Pegasos989: you can mount, but read-only, your NTFS partition [01:35] <nekohayo> aCiD2, there'S no root password [01:35] <nekohayo> use sudo with your password [01:35] <Pegasos989> k [01:35] <nekohayo> sudo -s can give you a root terminal [01:36] <aCiD2> ah, ok [01:36] <ploum> Pegasos989: I don't remember, but it's in the documentation [01:36] <Buffy_stufd> !rootsudo [01:36] <ubotu> I guess rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [01:36] <Whistler> cause i wanna add more space to ubuntu partition and i dont know how [01:36] <nekohayo> heheh [01:36] <Whistler> any ideas? [01:36] <Whistler> can i use gparted? [01:36] <j2dope> hi. when my wireless connection goes down, i cannot get it back up without rebooting. any ideas? [01:36] <aCiD2> time to try this then... [01:36] <Pegasos989> So if i want to edit them, I need to... *gulp* Format the whole thing and make it some other than ntfs? :S [01:36] <Lhea> joerg__, I assume init.d contains all the processes that are run at bootup? [01:36] <j2dope> i've tried /etc/init.d/networking restart but no luck [01:36] <SquareGuy> ahhh now im finally watching the e3 video for serious sam 2 [01:36] <aCiD2> dpkg-reconfigure grub, right? [01:37] <Buffy_stufd> Whistler - qtparted is very similar to partition agic. [01:37] <j2dope> anyone? it sucks having to reboot every 30mins [01:37] <Buffy_stufd> erm magic [01:37] <jade> j2dope: ifconfig wlan0 down [01:37] <persia> aCiD2: that's my memory. If that doesn't work, you might try loading aptitude, and choosing to reinstall grub ('L' key). [01:37] <jade> j2dope: then [01:37] <jade> ifconfig wlan0 up [01:37] <jade> try that [01:37] <j2dope> jade, my connection is eth1 [01:38] <joerg__> Lhea: party correct -- you need a link in /etc/rc2.d/Sxy to your script in init.d [01:38] <j2dope> and i've tried that yes. no luck at all [01:38] <jade> doh :\ [01:38] <Buffy_stufd> SquareGuy is there a loki installer for SS2? [01:38] <joerg__> Lhea: but /etc/init.d/ hosts all scripts -- [01:38] <SquareGuy> j2dope, i would try ifconfig wlan0 down / ifconfig wlan0 up / dhclient wlan0 [01:38] <Nameeater> wohoo I got java & opera working :D [01:38] <j2dope> it's a very sucky problem. i have no idea what causes it. the wireless router runs fine under windows [01:38] <Lhea> yeh, was about to ask how the folder would know the order in which to proceed at bootup :p [01:38] <jade> anyone know how i can get a second ethernet card to come up? [01:38] <reisio> Nameeater: wow, shame they both suck :/ :p [01:38] <SquareGuy> Buffy_stufd, from what i understand ss2 will have linux binaries [01:39] <joerg__> Lhea: Lines 5-13 in ntpdate check if ntpdate exists ... you can delete them.. [01:39] <Lhea> joerg: are you trying to say I should modify this ntpdate file and save it with the same name? [01:39] <j2dope> dhclient eh... ill see what that says [01:39] <joerg__> Lhea: NOP [01:39] <Nameeater> reisio: I could say, so does your face, but im too happy! :) [01:39] <joerg__> Lhea: copy it to a diffrent name! [01:39] <Lhea> but then I'd have to update Sxy too if I make a different file! [01:39] <Buffy_stufd> Hey! now thats the way to do it! [01:39] <reisio> Nameeater: heheh [01:39] <j2dope> SquareGuy, what does dhclient do exactly? i see i have to run it as root [01:40] <reisio> j2dope: dhcp, maybe? [01:40] <SquareGuy> j2dope, thats what grabs a dhcp address from your network [01:40] <jade> reisio: trying to get second ethernet card to show up as eth1 on the ubuntu setup (gf's computer) [01:40] <jade> i can do all the configuration requierd in gentoo [01:40] <joerg__> hno73:: correct .. firet create a new script in /etc/init.d -- and then make a link to it by "ln -s /etc/init.d/YourScrip /etc/rc2.d/S20YourScript" [01:40] <jade> but put me in front of ubuntu and im lost [01:40] <j2dope> ahh K. lol well ill try it now. if it works, i wont be back... otherwise expect me back in 2mins after a rebboot :) peace [01:40] <jade> :P [01:40] <reisio> jade: so do it in Gentoo, goof :P [01:41] <triplah_> reisio: i wish i had the time to stay at my gf's and configure gentoo for her [01:41] <mopatop> hey, does anyone know how I can change my window manager to Enlightenment? [01:41] <triplah_> but i dont :P [01:41] <SquareGuy> Buffy_stufd, its a 30 minute video from e3 on ss2 goto www.croteam.com and poke around [01:41] <reisio> triplah_: well I can think of some things to do while it's compiling... [01:41] <Buffy_stufd> mopatop - !xwindows ubotu has a link [01:41] <reisio> triplah_: I'm sure someone here must know how to do it with Ubuntu, anyways [01:42] <triplah_> reisio: rofl [01:42] <triplah_> hmm [01:42] <triplah_> u'd think so :\ [01:42] <mopatop> Buffy_stufd, sorry I don't understand [01:42] <reisio> :/ [01:42] <Buffy_stufd> mopatop - synaptic might already have it tho. - a quick search and one click to install. [01:42] <triplah_> unfortunatly. ubuntu aint quite the enthusiasts ditro [01:42] <Buffy_stufd> !xwindows [01:42] <triplah_> :P [01:42] <ubotu> hmm... xwindows is Linux freedom Style, User power, or RAM stingy speed Ubuntu linux is what you want it to be. http://xwinman.org/ [01:42] <ZincX> anyone know how to config bind ? [01:42] <mopatop> ah right [01:42] <mopatop> Buffy_stufd, cheers [01:42] <reisio> ubotu: duh..wha? [01:42] <ubotu> reisio: I don't know, could you explain it? [01:43] <Buffy_stufd> ;) [01:43] <reisio> ubotu: explain what X is? [01:43] <persia> ZincX: Did you decide you didn't like pDNS? I can help some with bind - how far have you gotten? [01:43] <sadma1> hi everyone [01:43] <Lhea> :( joerg__ , thanks for the advice. at least now I know I can't do it unless i'm some unix guru [01:43] <reisio> sadma1: lo [01:43] <sadma1> I have a question [01:43] <sadma1> I've installed snort [01:43] <sadma1> where can I download free rules ? [01:43] <ZincX> persia, yes.. lol.. lets see.. i just installed it. [01:44] <sadma1> from Snort.org , u must paid for all rules :( [01:44] <persia> ZincX: OK. And what do you want it to do? [01:44] <ZincX> persia, i want my ip to be resolved to sasquach.sadasdad.com [01:44] <sadma1> anyone can help me [01:44] <sadma1> ? [01:44] <sadma1> :| [01:44] <persia> ZincX: globally, or locally? [01:44] <reisio> pay for rules? :/ [01:45] <Buffy_stufd> !dyndns [01:45] <ubotu> it has been said that dyndns is http://ubuntuguide.org/#assignhostnametodynamicip [01:45] <sadma1> yes reisio [01:45] <sadma1> u can visit snort.org [01:45] <ZincX> persia, globally [01:45] <sadma1> if u want to download any rule [01:45] <sadma1> you must pay for it [01:45] <sadma1> :( [01:45] <Buffy_stufd> ZincX - ubotu has the link for you. [01:45] <persia> ZincX: OK. Have you already arranged for static IP and domain ownership? [01:45] <sadma1> snort is free but snort'rule is commercial [01:45] <sadma1> :( [01:45] <ZincX> persia, my ip is static.. and domain is mine [01:46] <selinium> hi all, my xorg config appears to have thrown a wobbly. How do i get it back? [01:46] <njan> ZincX, how do you handle DNS for your domain? [01:47] <Buffy_stufd> ZincX - you need a dns server to list your domain a bunch of lowcost services. selfhost.com is what i used for quite awhile. [01:47] <njan> (bind on your server, paid service, zonedit.com, etc) [01:47] <persia> ZincX: And you are currently installing bind on 202.71.103.106? [01:47] <ZincX> persia, no. [01:47] <Raptoid> beyler gokhan kirdar in son albumunun ismi neydi ? [01:47] <ZincX> /dns sasquach.sadasdad.com [01:47] <ZincX> a subdomain [01:48] <persia> ZincX: Oops! How about .107 or .108? [01:48] <ZincX> njan, i have a controller [01:48] <ZincX> persia, O_o ? [01:49] <Buffy_stufd> ZincX - be careful. dns servers are a hacker magnet. - much better to pay someone else for the headache. [01:49] <ZincX> Buffy_stufd, .. is it ? [01:49] <blahblah> good morning people [01:49] <ZincX> Buffy_stufd, im not actually tryin to run a dns server :S [01:50] <ZincX> just for this very pc [01:50] <Buffy_stufd> i would never run bind. - if you make a mistake your ISP may be angry enough to ban you. [01:50] <persia> ZincX: It looks like global registration of the domain belongs to 202.71.103.107 and .108, and that they have assigned sasquach to 202.21.184.194. 107 and 108 need to run bind (or another name server), and the configuration needs to be done there. [01:50] <persia> Buffy_stufd: It's different if you are the ISP... [01:51] <ZincX> hmm.. there aen ? [01:51] <ZincX> sheesh.. [01:52] <ZincX> this is hopeless... [01:53] <persia> ZincX: What exactly are you trying to accomplish: there may be an easier way... [01:53] <Buffy_stufd> you have your domain name. - halfway there. :) - 15 - $30 a year and somone else will add your name to their list. - did you try the company that sold you the domain name? [01:53] <ZincX> persia, im tryin to have a vhost wen i connect to irc [01:53] <McScruff> im running vmware (winxp) in kubuntu and i want to use a usb device on it, but ubuntu has it, how can i stop it in ubuntu so i can use it in vmware [01:53] <ZincX> i dont use bouncers.. sooo [01:53] <persia> ZincX: OK. How do you connect to the internet? [01:54] <kaffeend> can anyone help me with installing the KDE desktop env please? [01:54] <blahblah> kaffeend: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [01:54] <Buffy_stufd> kaffeend - Hi, How much have you done so far? [01:55] <kaffeend> I had to d/load it coz I don't have a cd drive right now [01:55] <Buffy_stufd> kaffeend - "Server install" or the default Ubuntu install? (gnome) [01:55] <ZincX> persia, its always on [01:55] <kaffeend> blahblah thanks :P [01:56] <Random_Sindrom> kaffeend: what's wrong with gnome? [01:56] <kaffeend> buffy_stufd ?? [01:56] <blahblah> gnome has less errors than KDE [01:56] <blahblah> thats what i had on my computer [01:56] <kaffeend> screen refresh is way too low and as a n00b I was advised to get it [01:56] <kaffeend> coz I don't know any command line stuff [01:56] <persia> ZincX: Yes, but I'm assuming you don't have a DS3 plugged into the back of your laptop. Your computer is presumably attached to either a USB device or an ethernet cable. If an ehternet cable, does that feed directly to your ISP, or is there another box along the way? If a USB device, to what is that attached? [01:56] <selinium> Hi all, i am using irrsi as i have no x due to xorg being mangled. What is the command to do the xorg config? [01:56] <Buffy_stufd> apt-get ubuntu-desktop works fine! :) - when asked to choose display managers gdm or kdm (KDE) choose kde [01:57] <ZincX> persia, ethernet [01:57] <persia> ZincX: OK, and the ethernet goes where? [01:57] <ZincX> persia, directly to the isp.. no other boxes.. just the ethernet modem [01:57] <Buffy_stufd> kaffeend - no sweat. - synaptic has "ubuntu-desktop" - it is a 100+ mb d/l tho. [01:57] <persia> ZincX: OK. Did you buy the domain from your ISP, or somewhere else? [01:58] <kaffeend> Buffy_stuftd I know [01:58] <ZincX> persia, sumwhere else [01:58] <blahblah> he wants kde, so its, kubuntu-desktop [01:58] <kaffeend> oh - no I don't [01:58] <Buffy_stufd> selinium - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? [01:58] <persia> ZincX: Buffy_stufd has it right then... use dyndns [01:58] <persia> !dyndns [01:58] <ubotu> I guess dyndns is http://ubuntuguide.org/#assignhostnametodynamicip [01:58] <selinium> Buffy_stufd: I think thats the one thanks! [01:58] <Buffy_stufd> blah-blah you are right. - sorry. - time for a nap. [01:59] <ZincX> persia, and then ? [02:00] <kaffeend> I have these folders but I'm used to windows where you just click on the icon that says "setup" and voila! installshield wizard takes you through the lovely install garden [02:00] <persia> ZincX: I'm not familiar enough with irc & vhosts. My apologies. [02:00] <ZincX> eheh.. no need ::) [02:00] <Buffy_stufd> kaffeend - synaptic is like that. -peice of cake. [02:00] <j2dope> the 'dhclient' command did not work :( [02:00] <rob_newbie> I am installing glib but when I get to the point where I am suppost to type "make" the file make dose not exist [02:00] <jade> hmmm anyone know how to get my second network adaptor working? [02:00] <kaffeend> hehe thanks Buffy_stufd [02:01] <jino> hi all [02:01] <persia> jade: what kind of adaptor? [02:01] <rob_newbie> hello [02:01] <jade> persia: its a dlink, i've got all the modules loaded [02:01] <j2dope> can anyone reccomend a wireless network finding tool for ubuntu? something like the one windows has? [02:01] <jino> how can i make my laptop to restart [02:01] <jade> persia: i need to get connectivity on it tho [02:01] <j2dope> jino, 'sudo reboot' [02:01] <jino> yup [02:02] <jino> the thng is ..it doesnt automically reboot [02:02] <persia> jade: If it shows up in `ifconfig -a`, you should be able to edit /etc/network.interfaces. `man interfaces` for instructions. [02:02] <jino> i have to switch of the laptop [02:02] <Buffy_stufd> (thud $%^) ....Z-zzzz z.. G'nite all! :) - "Windows Users" "Linux Community" [02:03] <jade> persia: u mean /etc/network/interfaces ? [02:03] <McScruff> im running vmware (winxp) in kubuntu and i want to use a usb device on it, but ubuntu has it, how can i stop it in ubuntu so i can use it in vmware [02:03] <jino> j2dope, it works [02:03] <persia> jade: Sorry - missed the shift there. Yes. [02:03] <j2dope> jino, what does? [02:03] <jino> but doesnt actually restart [02:03] <jade> persia: actually, it apears to be working :) now i need a crossover cable :\ [02:03] <jino> i have to manually switch off the laptop [02:03] <persia> jade: Hard to provide that over IRC, Sorry. [02:04] <j2dope> have u tried 'sudo shutdown' from a terminal? [02:04] <jade> persia: indeed :D also hard to get at 11pm too [02:04] <jino> nope [02:04] <j2dope> im no pro, but possibly gnome is hanging? in which case i press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE [02:04] <ach> Does anyone know which wireless pci networkadapter that works best in Ubuntu? [02:04] <jino> ok [02:04] <j2dope> i then login as my user, and then type 'sudo shutdown/reboot' [02:04] <persia> jade: Map is 1-3, 2-6, 3-1, 4-4, 5-5, 6-2, 7-7, 8-8 [02:04] <jino> j2dope, i have another problem [02:05] <rob_newbie> Do I need to type make or use another file the programs install instructions state make but no make file was created after configure [02:05] <jino> all the dvd plugins are not installed [02:05] <j2dope> jino, im sure im not the one to give the best answers but shoot [02:05] <jino> and mplaye hangs [02:05] <j2dope> ubuntuguide.org [02:05] <jino> xmmx as well [02:05] <ZincX> persia, ill have to make a dynamic dns even if my ip is static rite ? [02:05] <jino> ok [02:05] <jade> ehe [02:05] <j2dope> search for the dvd section there, it'll hook u up with all the repositories u need to dl dvd playing stuff [02:06] <j2dope> jino, whenever i reinstall ubuntu, i go straight to ubuntuguide.org to get it all set up, nice and quick [02:06] <persia> ZincX: The other option is to ask your domain manager to change their record to the correct value. If you do this, nothing needs to be installed on your machine. [02:06] <jino> okie [02:06] <ZincX> correct value means ? [02:09] <j2dope> umm anyone? a wireless network finding app? [02:10] <osfameron> that would be a nice feature to be packaged really [02:10] <njan> j2dope, wifi-radar.py [02:11] <njan> http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ [02:11] <persia> ZincX: From what I can tell from here, it's already set correctly. to 202.21.184.194, but your local network configuration may be different than I can see from here. [02:11] <j2dope> thanks njan ill check it out [02:11] <ZincX> hmm.. i c [02:11] <njan> j2dope, yq [02:11] <persia> ZincX: Perhaps you're looking for mapping in the other direction: from the number to the name? [02:11] <njan> s/yq/yw/ [02:12] <ach> Can anyone reccomend any special bran of wireless network adapters for ubuntu? [02:13] <ZincX> persia i guess [02:15] <persia> ZincX: Send an email to hostmaster@db.com, and ask them to change the record for 184.194.21.202.in-addr.arpa to point to your domain. [02:15] <purpledropbear> /leave #ubuntu [02:15] <ZincX> that will work ? [02:16] <persia> ZincX: As far as I can see from here. Your ISP probably has better information about your network environment: I'm almost 2 seconds away from you. [02:16] <ZincX> eheheh... [02:17] <ZincX> so ill just have to hope that mailing hostmastar@db.com will work right ? [02:17] <persia> ZincX: That's the email address officially responsible for the change, but there may be some administrative procedure at your ISP. I don't know. [02:18] <ZincX> yeah.. im not sure it will work.. but well see [02:19] <cool> how do i switch to another profile in FF? HELP [02:19] <cool> how do i switch to another profile in FF? [02:19] <cool> how do i switch to another profile in FF? [02:20] <persia> ZincX: If that doesn't work, you could try Markus Weber: he might be able to help. [02:20] <ZincX> whos he ? [02:20] <Seveas> cool: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too. [02:21] <cool> :( no one to help:( [02:21] <dwa_> you're not very patient :) [02:21] <persia> ZincX: Unless I'm not seeing correctly, he should be in your company addressbook, and should be the person administratively responsible for that sort of thing. I'm not going to put more in an open forum. [02:21] <dwa_> cool : try typing this in your console [02:21] <dwa_> man firefox [02:22] <cool> No manual entry for firefox [02:22] <azol> cool: firefox --help [02:22] <dwa_> there you can see that if you start firefox with -ProfileManager [02:22] <dwa_> you can choose your profile [02:22] <cool> bash: firefox: command not found [02:22] <dwa_> strange, i have a man page for firefox :) [02:22] <ZincX> k [02:23] <cool> using kubuntu [02:23] <dwa_> cool mozilla-firefox? [02:23] <cool> yup [02:23] <dwa_> is it working? [02:25] <cool> someone gave me this http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_manager [02:25] <Will_> mozilla-firefox ? [02:26] <jowi> hi all [02:26] <dwa_> that's what i was saying cool [02:26] <dwa_> -ProfileManager [02:26] <cool> dwa: thanks [02:27] <dwa_> you see, you can get an answer here ;) [02:29] <Carlo768> hello, i am trying to install the newest kernel modules for video4linux, but when i try to 'make', it complains about missing header files and exits with errors. Ive installed linux-headers-2.6.10-5 and linux-tree, but it still complaints. what am i doing wrong? [02:29] <Seveas> Ubuntu comes with v4l modules... [02:29] <Carlo768> i know [02:29] <Carlo768> but my card is only supported on the newest ones [02:30] <Seveas> then you probably should create the /usr/include/linux symlink to point to your headers... [02:30] <kaffeend> can someone help me with opening synaptic package manager please? [02:30] <majic> what is the problem kaffeend ? [02:31] <direwolf> system > administration > synaptic [02:31] <kaffeend> majic I simply need to open Synaptic [02:31] <kaffeend> but I don't know hot to do it [02:31] <direwolf> kaffeend ^up there [02:32] <majic> kaffeend: type synaptic in a terminal and hit enter [02:32] <ernstp> anyone got "sessreg" installed in breezy? [02:32] <Carlo768> Seveas, how can i do that? [02:32] <kaffeend> thanks majic and direwolf [02:32] <direwolf> np [02:32] <Raptoid> http://hakan.cimenderi.com --> zappuri zuppiri pictures [02:33] <Seveas> Raptoid, don't spam.... [02:33] <Raptoid> Seveas, ok sorry man [02:33] <jino> j2dope, u there? [02:34] <Carlo768> /usr/include/linx already exists, and its filled with header files [02:34] <Seveas> then what is it complaining about? [02:34] <kaffeend> majic it says I need to run it as root user [02:34] <Will_> There are some hideous women on that link [02:34] <Seveas> kaffeend, sudo synaptic [02:34] <kaffeend> k [02:35] <majic> kaffeend: or su to root [02:35] <Carlo768> /home/ubuntu/Desktop/video4linux/media/video-buf-dvb.h:5:20: dvbdev.h: No such file or directory [02:35] <kaffeend> Lovely, Seveas thanks (again :P ) [02:35] <Carlo768> and several headers more are missing too [02:36] <Seveas> kaffeend, that's an error in the thing you downloaded... [02:36] <kaffeend> seveas sorry? [02:37] <Seveas> kaffeend, ehrm [02:37] <Seveas> name mixup :) [02:37] <Seveas> Carlo768, that's an error in the thing you downloaded... [02:37] <kaffeend> kk [02:37] <Carlo768> hm [02:37] <Carlo768> ok ill dowload it again [02:38] <Seveas> won't help [02:38] <Carlo768> ? [02:38] <Seveas> better read the install instructions more carfully :) [02:39] <omega_> I just downloaded Snes9x, a SNES emulator; if I wanted to keep my computer uncluttered a little, where would be a good place to put it? (Kind of like a Linux version of Windows' "Program Files" directory.) [02:39] <direwolf> this laptop needs memory bad [02:39] <Seveas> omega_, you should install snes9x from the repositories.... [02:40] <omega_> I didn't even realize it was there. [02:40] <direwolf> even xfce on 64mb of ram is rough [02:40] <Seveas> omega_, apt-cache search snes9x [02:40] <Seveas> :) [02:40] <HrdwrBoB> ram is $60 for 512mb [02:40] <persia> omega_: When you have a spare hour or two, run aptitude and browse... [02:40] <HrdwrBoB> I see no reason to run a desktop machine with 64mb [02:40] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, laptop [02:40] <Carlo768> omega_ i think you should try zsnes first [02:40] <direwolf> old laptop [02:40] <Seveas> and laptop mem is more expensive [02:40] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: well it's a bit more :) but ebay is your friend [02:41] <HrdwrBoB> seriously, buy more memory [02:41] <direwolf> max memory is 192mb hahaha [02:41] <omega_> Carlo768: I'll get that one, too. [02:41] <omega_> I've used both, but I prefer Snes9x's interface. [02:41] <omega_> Too bad it has some sound emulation errors. [02:42] <dvsoftware> hello [02:42] <Carlo768> i couldnt make snes9x work on ubuntu, so i always use zsnes [02:42] <direwolf> with 192mb i could deal though [02:42] <dvsoftware> i have a little problem with ubuntu 64 on my laptop which i bought today [02:43] <Carlo768> does ubuntu kernel come with CONFIG_I2C=m and CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m? how can i check that? [02:43] <omega_> Erm... where did Synaptic put Snes9x and Zsnes? :) [02:43] <Carlo768> omega_ you have to enable more repositories [02:43] <Seveas> Carlo768, check /boot/config-* [02:43] <dvsoftware> when i enable nvidia-glx driver, i just get blank screen [02:43] <omega_> I enabled everything; Snes9x common files, the frontend, and the X and OpenGL files. [02:43] <Carlo768> oh [02:43] <Seveas> Carlo768, and yes, both parts are built as modules [02:44] <omega_> Where is it supposed to put the executables? [02:44] <Carlo768> ok thanks [02:44] <Seveas> omega_, /usr/bin normally [02:44] <Carlo768> omega_, open a terminal and type zsnes [02:44] <omega_> Okay, thanks. [02:44] <Carlo768> or snes9x [02:45] <kaffeend> um, I was advised to use synaptic to swith to KDE but I can't seem to figure out how to do it :s Can anyone help me with this please? [02:45] <dvsoftware> kaffeend, just select all repositories, and under KDE section there will be "kde" package, just select it [02:45] <omega_> That's strange. I found Zsnes, but not Snes9x. [02:45] <Carlo768> Seveas ive read the instructions on building the video4linux modules and the only requisite is a kernel with that options =m, then 'make' and 'make install' [02:46] <Seveas> Carlo768, where did you get the source from? [02:46] <kaffeend> dvsoftware ok thanks - I'll give it a shot [02:46] <Seveas> kaffeend, wait [02:47] <Carlo768> http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/ i think is the official video4linux page [02:47] <omega_> How do I run a search for a file? [02:47] <Seveas> if you want to switch to kde, you'd better install the kubuntu-desktop package [02:47] <Seveas> omega_, slocate [02:47] <Carlo768> omega_ snes9x has different versions [02:47] <direwolf> places > search for files... [02:47] <kaffeend> waiting seveas [02:47] <Seveas> omega_, but that uses a db updated once per day [02:47] <kaffeend> good thing I'm slow :) [02:47] <omega_> That's a terminal command, right? There's no way to do it in X? [02:47] <Carlo768> omega_, open a terminal, write snes9x and push tab ac ouple of times [02:47] <Seveas> kaffeend, if you want to switch to kde, you'd better install the kubuntu-desktop package [02:47] <Seveas> not the KDE package :) [02:48] <kaffeend> ok [02:48] <direwolf> omega_: places > search for files... [02:48] <omega_> Thanks. [02:48] <omega_> Ah, that's what I was looking for. [02:48] <kaffeend> seveas I didn't realize they were different [02:50] <jowi> has anyone seen a BeOS "tracker"/panel/taskbar port for Linux? [02:50] <GudyUbuntu> what is the command to install a .deb package? [02:50] <kaffeend> getting sore eyes from my 60hz refresh rate here :( [02:51] <Seveas> GudyUbuntu, sudo dpkg -i [02:51] <kaffeend> can't find the kubuntu package [02:51] <Seveas> kaffeend, are you still using warty? [02:52] <kaffeend> warty? [02:52] <Carlo768> seveas, i had to make ln -s linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 linux-headers-2.6.10-5, because 'make' complaint about not founding /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5, maybe that was a bad move? [02:52] <IFRFLYR> Hi, I've got fonts in ~/.fonts which aren't getting picked up by OOo - some are, some not. Any special place OOo looks for fonts? [02:53] <IFRFLYR> I should say that other apps pick up all the fonts in ~/.fonts [02:53] <GudyUbuntu> Seveas: thanks [02:53] <jowi> IFRFLYR, as far as I know only .ttf works... i think [02:53] <IFRFLYR> jowi, right. [02:54] <jowi> IFRFLYR, and it is also abit slow of picking them up. sometimes they will not appear until the next reboot (at least for me) [02:54] <direwolf> 128mb pc100 so-dimm $35 at compusa ...nice [02:54] <direwolf> looks like im gonna have to get it [02:54] <jowi> IFRFLYR, might be because i installed them 2-3 at the time to test them out. i probably messed up somewhere :-) [02:55] <IFRFLYR> aha. they're .pfb. Gimp sees them. I wonder if there is a way to convert pfb to ttf? [02:55] <jowi> IFRFLYR, that is a great question [02:55] <IFRFLYR> jowi, yeah, I had actually rebooted. But now I see the problem is the wrong font type - gimp is just really cool I guess. [02:55] <simon_> "modconf: command not found" Which command should I then use? [02:55] <direwolf> ive been running on 64mb ...i think i could handle 192mb ....well hopefully [02:56] <kaffeend> Seveas what is this warty of which you speak? [02:56] <djp> warty was the release of ubuntu before hoary [02:56] <IFRFLYR> jowi thanks for the help! [02:56] <ghoztly> I edited the gnome menu with smeg (gnome menu editor) and added a custom menu entry. I added a link that <inadvertently> contained a ' (apostrophe) character. Of course now smeg crashes. What is location of the default location for whatever files the gnome menu is stored in? [02:57] <kaffeend> okay thanks djp [02:57] <__fabrice__> hi [02:57] <jowi> IFRFLYR, no probs [02:57] <Carlo768> kaffeend, do System-> about Ubuntu [02:57] <kaffeend> is there a name for the 64 bit version? [02:57] <kaffeend> Carlo768 ok [02:58] <Will_> I'm considering dual booting my main desktop, as I'm worried I will be unable to afford dual desktops when I'm paying my own electricity [02:58] <ed1t> desktops dont consume that much electricity [02:58] <direwolf> computers dont use as much electric as they used [02:58] <ed1t> prolly like say $10 per month [02:58] <direwolf> turn off your frig [02:59] <direwolf> ;) [02:59] <selinium> AArrghhh, i seem to have 'lost' xserver.xorg :( help [02:59] <ed1t> selinium using breezy? [02:59] <simon_> Are there a command there works like "modconf"? "modconf: command not found" [02:59] <direwolf> lost as in its not loading? [02:59] <persia> selinium: Where did you see it last? [02:59] <selinium> persia: lol [02:59] <direwolf> hahaha [02:59] <persia> selinium: Perhaps I should say, before what was it working? [02:59] <kaffeend> Carlo768 why am I reading this? This I read before I installed Ubuntu... [02:59] <direwolf> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [03:00] <selinium> no i am using hoary, i was updating the nvidia driver and i have done something strange! [03:00] <direwolf> ruh roh [03:00] <direwolf> disregard [03:00] <__fabrice__> hi everybody i'm running ubuntu 2.6.10-5-686-smp kernel and i can't activate DMA on cdrom.I googled but nothing unless recompiling kernel ... does somebody may help me thanks [03:00] <Carlo768> kaffeend, there you can find what version are you using (warty or hoary? [03:00] <direwolf> ubuntuaddon enabled my dma for me [03:00] <jowi> __fabrice__, hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom [03:00] <Carlo768> mine showns 'Welcome to Ubuntu Linux 5.04 : The Hoary Hedgehog Release.' [03:01] <persia> __fabrice__: If you have an IDE CDROM, hdparm should work. [03:01] <selinium> direwolf when i key the command it replies as not installed! [03:01] <__fabrice__> no i tried it ... it's refused [03:01] <__fabrice__> what about ubuntuaddon direwolf ? [03:02] <direwolf> fabrice it uses same as above afaik [03:02] <kaffeend> Carlos768 I'm blind because I see no mention of them here [03:02] <simon_> I want to install/remove kernel modules, but I cant use the command "modconf" as I normally use. Which command should I use now? Iam running Kubuntu. [03:02] <persia> selinium: Does the output of `aptitude search xserver-xorg` have a satisfactory number of lines beginning "i A"? [03:02] <persia> __fabrice__: Do you have a SCSI or USB CDROM? [03:03] <persia> simon_: modprobe / rmmod [03:03] <kaffeend> anyway is warty amd64? [03:03] <Carlo768> hmmm no [03:03] <kaffeend> hoarty then [03:03] <Carlo768> warty warthog was the first release, and hoary hedgeog the second [03:03] <persia> kaffeend: warty was also amd64. [03:03] <Carlo768> both have 64bit versions [03:03] <kaffeend> aaarrrgggghhhh [03:03] <selinium> persia: it begins the line with i [03:04] <jino> where cn i get libavcodeccvs [03:04] <jowi> __fabrice__, did you try to umount the cdrom; change /etc/hdparm.conf and add "/dev/cdrom { dma = on }" [03:04] <kaffeend> time for coffee [03:04] <simon_> persia: It says FATAL: Module / not found. [03:04] <persia> selinium: And dpkg-reconfigure reports the package as not installed? [03:04] <jowi> __fabrice__, that will add dma at boottime [03:04] <simon_> persia: I cant all modules in my head, so I need the normal "modconf" where there are categories with tons of modules.. [03:04] <Carlo768> can someone help me with the kernel source please? [03:04] <__fabrice__> yes jowi here is my error HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted [03:04] <selinium> persia: yep! [03:04] <crimsun> Carlo768: did you install linux-source-2.6.10? [03:04] <dvsoftware> doea anyone knows the solution to my problem with nvidia drivers [03:05] <crimsun> __fabrice__: SATA HD? [03:05] <__fabrice__> thx direwolf i'll see ubuntuaddon [03:05] <Carlo768> crimsun i installed linux-tree and linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 [03:05] <__fabrice__> yes crimsun [03:05] <persia> simon_: Do you have hotplug installed? If so, it should take care of 90% of your requirements. [03:05] <selinium> persia: i like to be awkward! [03:05] <Carlo768> should i install linux-source too? [03:05] <Carlo768> i am trying to build video4linux modules [03:05] <crimsun> __fabrice__: you can't set DMA for SATA HDs, it's already enabled by default. hdparm won't help. [03:05] <simon_> persia: Yes, it is installed. I have a Trust Spacecam 380 webcam and a old Philips webcam..I wanted to see about I could get it to work, but I think I need video4linux [03:06] <dockane> i need to buy a usb2.0 pci card ... do i have the freedom of choice (cheapest one) or do i have to take care for a supported chipset ? [03:06] <crimsun> __fabrice__: check with the -I parameter. [03:06] <__fabrice__> yes crimsun DMA for SATA is good but no DMA on ide cdrom [03:06] <crimsun> Carlo768: no, all you need are build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) [03:06] <dvsoftware> anyone? [03:06] <persia> simon_: Unfortunately, I'm not sure which driver you need. My apologies. [03:06] <crimsun> __fabrice__: different device chain? [03:06] <Carlo768> crimsun, i got those two packages, but video4linux still complaints about missing headers [03:06] <__fabrice__> no crimson [03:07] <crashd> hey guys :) [03:07] <crashd> just trying ubuntu for the first time, pretty impressed so far [03:07] <crashd> you guys have done a good job of making debian usable ;) [03:07] <Sionide> good [03:07] <selinium> persia: ANy ideas? Or is it reinstall time? [03:07] <crimsun> Carlo768: did you tell the v4l configuration explicitly where the kernel headers are? e.g., /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build [03:07] <crashd> the only problem im having is my wifi card [03:07] <__fabrice__> my chipset is ICH5 and all works well except DMA on cdrom [03:07] <Carlo768> crimson, how can i do that? [03:08] <persia> selinium: Give me a little longer to think about this one: it sounds like the packaging scripts are confused, or I'm missing something (probably the latter). [03:08] <crimsun> Carlo768: you need to read the instructions for the v4l compilation/installation. [03:08] <selinium> persia: np, glad for the help! [03:08] <crashd> ubuntu picks the card up when it get splugged into the pcmcia slot [03:08] <simon_> persia: Okay, but thanks anyway. [03:08] <crashd> i tjust refuses to connect/scan/acknowledge networks :\ [03:09] <kaffeend> okay - let's forget about kubuntu for now... Can anyone help me with making my system compatible with windows games please? I think I need winex, is this right? [03:09] <GreenDot> hello gang...i coulnd't find anything in the documentation about my problem i'm having. i'm failing to install Ubuntu on my iBook G4 because the boot loader gives me an error when installing [03:10] <icewt> kaffeend, you mean cedega [03:10] <Fitzsimmons> kaffeend: giv eup [03:10] <majic> kaffeend: I believe there are a few options for installing windows games like for instance using cedega [03:10] <majic> but it's not a 100% solution, not all games run as far as I know [03:10] <Carlo768> crimsun, ive read it and this is all the info about building : Pick up videodev + v4l2 patches from http://bytesex.org/patches/. [03:10] <Carlo768> Configure, build, install + boot the new kernel. You'll need at least [03:10] <Carlo768> these config options: [03:10] <Carlo768> CONFIG_I2C=m [03:10] <Carlo768> CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m [03:10] <Carlo768> Type "make" to build the driver now. "make install" installs the [03:10] <Carlo768> driver. "modprobe saa7134" should load it. Depending on the card you [03:10] <Carlo768> might have to pass card=<nr> as insmod option, check CARDLIST for [03:10] <Carlo768> valid choices. [03:10] <persia> selinium: What do you get from `dpkg --status xserver-xorg | grep Status` [03:10] <crimsun> Carlo768: please don't flood here, thanks. [03:11] <GreenDot> kaffeend: use windows for gaming, and thats it [03:11] <Carlo768> sorry [03:11] <dvsoftware> how to use card reader integrated on laptop? [03:11] <kaffeend> so, cedega or give up are my only options then? lol [03:11] <crimsun> Carlo768: then you need to read the Makefile to see where v4l looks for the kernel headers. [03:11] <GreenDot> i only play games in linux if it was built for linux, it's the only way we know it will run without any problems, and cedega has very few completly compatible titles it can play [03:11] <majic> kaffeend: there are a few solutions to playing windows games but they are not 100% effective. Not all games run. [03:12] <Carlo768> crimsun, where are the kernel headers located? [03:12] <selinium> persia: is not installed :( [03:12] <dex> anybody knows what package i need in order to connect to microsoft exchange 5.5 [03:12] <Carlo768> /usr/include or /lib/modules? [03:12] <kaffeend> majic I specifically want to run FarCry 64 bit if I can [03:12] <Carlo768> im a bit confused [03:12] <direwolf> heh [03:12] <crimsun> Carlo768: use the latter. -> /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build [03:13] <kaffeend> but at least cedega would be a start [03:13] <GreenDot> seriously now, I'm having installation difficulty with the PPC Ubuntu [03:13] <persia> selinium: OK. I trust dpkg more than aptitude. Try `sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg`. [03:13] <dex> anybody knows what package i need in order to connect to microsoft exchange 5.5 [03:13] <majic> kaffeend: I'm not a windows gamer, I don't have information on what runs and what doesn't. I'm a firm believer in console gaming [03:13] <GreenDot> it's telling me it failed to install the bootloader [03:13] <dex> anybody knows what package i need in order to connect to microsoft exchange 5.5 [03:13] <kaffeend> majic yah, but I mod :( [03:14] <dvsoftware> anyone knows how to install nvidia drivers on geforce4 go (64bit machine) [03:14] <Pegasos989> "For MP3 support in Rhythmbox and other gstreamer applications, type the following into a terminal (requires multiverse):" How do i find this terminal-thingie and do I need to worry if I have that multiverse thing? [03:14] <persia> selinium: You may even do better with x-window-system-core. [03:14] <Pegasos989> Is terminal from system tools [03:14] <dex> anybody knows what package i need in order to connect to microsoft exchange 5.5 [03:14] <crimsun> Pegasos989: yes. [03:14] <jadedstar> Pegasos989: Yes [03:14] <Pegasos989> k [03:14] <Carlo768> crimsun, i found this comment on Make.config:# doesn't build on kernels older than 2.6.12 [03:14] <aru> dex: did you try google.com? [03:15] <crimsun> Carlo768: there ya go. [03:15] <Carlo768> hmm [03:15] <jadedstar> Does anyone know any good rpg games that might be floating out there? [03:15] <persia> dex: for evolution, try evolution-exchange. [03:15] <Carlo768> it is possible to upgrade the new kernel and use it withouth rebooting? [03:16] <ph8> can anyone answer a nub question for me? What's the difference between 686 and 386? [03:16] <ph8> (kernels) [03:16] <dvsoftware> Carlo768, no [03:16] <ph8> When i boot i have the option of going into 686 or 386, both seem to work the same way [03:16] <windex> dex, i think evolution is the only client to support all of exchange's feature set. but i could be wrong. [03:16] <dex> i think evolution only support exchange 2000 and 2003 not 5.5 [03:16] <dvsoftware> ph8, different architecture [03:16] <persia> Carlo768: You'd need to configure a virtual machine of some sort... [03:16] <majic> ph8 686 are optimized for pentiums while 386 are generic [03:17] <majic> or pentium class CPU's [03:17] <kaffeend> does Ubuntu have a html editor per se? [03:17] <ph8> so if i have a pentium M in my laptop (which i do), 686 is the best bet? [03:17] <Carlo768> my HD broke and is under repair, so i am using the livecd thats why i cant reboot [03:17] <majic> kaffeend: try Amaya [03:17] <lordmansfeld> vim? :) [03:17] <ph8> kaffeend: Kate is nice [03:17] <ph8> best one i've found [03:17] <kaffeend> k thanks [03:17] <selinium> persia: Shoot me now...... [03:17] <dex> yes i try evolution but our exchange server is version 5.5 [03:17] <Carlo768> is there a livecd with 2.6.12 kernel avaiable? [03:18] <Kyral> wtf is the difference in Kernel versions anyway [03:18] <selinium> persia: i was keying xserver.xorg not xserver-xorg. Sorry for wasting your time [03:18] <majic> Kyral: bug fixes, more drivers, enhancements [03:18] <persia> dex: configure the POP or IMAP transport on the exchange server. You'll get limited functionality, but it's better than nothing. [03:18] <Kyral> Yah but......bah [03:19] <persia> selinium: No worries. Is it working? [03:19] <Juhaz> ph8, yes, pm is i686 [03:19] <Kyral> my Kernel works for me (2.6.10) and I doubt I'll upgrade until the 2.8 series :P [03:19] <simplydazed> Hi, how can i fix the display problem with Hoary and an i845 board? It's stuck @ 640x480. Thanks [03:19] <dex> what do yo mean? @ persia [03:20] <selinium> persia: I will need to reboot to find out if the config has worked but the reconfigure is working yes. [03:20] <aru> !tell simplydazed about resolution [03:20] <selinium> Unless there is a way of doing without rebooting? [03:20] <Carlo768> is there a livecd with 2.6.12 kernel avaiable? or any way to boot the livecd with it? (maybe with a floppy?) [03:20] <persia> Kyral: For details, try kernel.org. More generally, newer versions in the same series (2.8, 2.10, 2.12) are usually faster and smaller, support more devlices, and have fewer security holes. [03:20] <majic> upgrading kernels and new versions of software is a disease, there is no cure. Once you upgrade there will soon be another, it's a never ending cycle and it's proven to do nothing but waste time [03:20] <dvsoftware> can someone please answer my question [03:20] <dvsoftware> when i install nvidia-glx [03:21] <lordmansfeld> someone mentioned Amaya; I'm having some trouble installing it [03:21] <dvsoftware> and enable it [03:21] <majic> I've been afflicted by it for about 10 years [03:21] <dvsoftware> i just get blank screen [03:21] <persia> dex: If evolution doesn't support Exchange 5.5 directly, the Exchange admin can probably turn on some Exchange features to allow any ubuntu mailreader to work. [03:21] <dvsoftware> when i disable glx [03:21] <kaffeend> is Kate for KDE or Ubuntu? [03:21] <dvsoftware> resolution is kinda messed up [03:21] <aru> lordmansfeld: how are you trying to install it? [03:21] <dvsoftware> kaffeend, kate is for kde [03:21] <kaffeend> ok [03:22] <kaffeend> will look for amaya [03:22] <persia> selinium: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart [03:22] <dex> i think they will need to upgrade to 2003:) [03:22] <kaffeend> unless that's kde too? [03:22] <gus_> hi all Good jo on kubuntu. It got me off gentoo ;) [03:22] <gus_> job that is. [03:23] <aru> this is #ubuntu :) [03:23] <lordmansfeld> aru: I tried to compile from source, I get errors with GTK+ (IIRC), doesn't work with wxWidgets either, and the .deb needs libc6 (*.21 something version number, i can only get .20) [03:23] <Carlo768> is there a livecd with 2.6.12 kernel avaiable? or any way to boot the livecd with it? (maybe with a floppy?) can someone help me please? [03:23] <gus_> the cool tech under the hood is still ubuntu, whos speed is impressive - and got me off gentoo [03:23] <aru> lordmansfeld: hmm, I would have went to System > Administration > Synaptic and searched for amaya, double clicked it and pressed apply [03:23] <dvsoftware> please, i can't use 3d apps unless i install nvidia drivers [03:24] <persia> Carlo768: You don't want to run ubuntu 2.6.12 with hoary - I tried that and spent a week cleaning up after myself. [03:24] <pinky2000> What's everyone's favorite terminal program? I find gnome terminal a little bloated and xterm just doesn't have the features. [03:24] <kaffeend> gus_ how is kubuntu? [03:24] <dvsoftware> pinky2000, i use konsole on kde, and its my favorite [03:24] <lordmansfeld> aru: hmm... *rubs eyes* how come I didn't see that earlier? -.- [03:24] <gus_> faster than gtk based crud ;) sorry guys [03:24] <simplydazed> aru, thank you, let me give it a shot [03:24] <aru> if you find a terminal to be bloated, then you need to get a life :) [03:24] <gus_> kaffeend: its really usable and fast.. some bugs tho. [03:24] <Carlo768> persia: i need 2.6.12 or my video capture card wont work [03:24] <gus_> but fixable [03:24] <aru> simplydazed: hope it works out, come back if it doesn't [03:25] <kaffeend> gus_ bad bugs or manageable bugs? :) [03:25] <aru> lordmansfeld: the GUI is your friend :) [03:25] <persia> Carlo768: I understand: my joystick doesn't work. Wait until next month, and maybe breezy will be safe... [03:25] <gus_> manageble. some sudo and su inconsistencies for shich I just gave the root account a password. [03:25] <Carlo768> sigh* [03:26] <kaffeend> gus_ can you get more than 60hz refresh rate? lol [03:26] <Carlo768> well, thanks everybody for the help [03:26] <gus_> kaffeend: the kde control panel needs su to work by default so the whole sudo system was hacked <in> [03:26] <Pegasos989> How much space ubuntu takes from hard drive when installed? And do i need to make boot partition, if I also want to keeps windows installed? [03:26] <lordmansfeld> aru: thanks, it works fine now ;) [03:26] <kaffeend> doh [03:27] <aru> lordmansfeld: you can try searching Synpatic for any software you want, and once you enable Universe respositories you get a ton of software [03:27] <lordmansfeld> aru: thanks, I've been using Synaptic for a while, just forgot to check it first for Amaya :) [03:27] <aru> :) [03:27] <dvsoftware> :( [03:27] <gus_> kaffeend: im on LCD - so the refresh is fine. LCD's have refresh rates you can tweak right? [03:28] <crashd> when i plug my pcmcia wifi card in it coems up as eth1 (admtek adm8211) [03:28] <aru> I haven't compiled one thing from source since I installed ubuntu, very exciting [03:28] <crashd> now, it "works" in that i can query it [03:28] <crashd> but it doesnt seem to want to do much else [03:28] <crashd> any ideas O.o [03:28] <persia> Pegasos989: I have a lot of stuff installed, and it uses about 5GB. You only need a boot partition if you want to be safe, or if you have some strange boot system, like flash boot or something. [03:29] <direwolf> i had to compile driver module for wireless card but it doesnt do wep so im stuck with ndiswrapper [03:29] <Kyral> or if you trash your system on a regular basis like I do :P [03:29] <kaffeend> gus_ dunno enough about LCDs. But if my eyes weren't so sore I'd just stick with gnome, but kubuntu seems to be my only option I'm afraid [03:29] <dvsoftware> i just don't understand why my nvidia geforce go won't work after installing nvidia drivers [03:29] <crashd> direwolf: what card you usig? [03:29] <aru> !nvidia [03:29] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto [03:29] <occy> can I have sudo invoke a command as a user without prompting for a password? I only want it for this one command. [03:29] <aru> dvsoftware: did you follow that like? [03:29] <aru> err [03:29] <aru> link? [03:29] <dvsoftware> aru [03:30] <persia> occy: man sudoers [03:30] <dvsoftware> apt-get install nvidia-glx [03:30] <occy> persia, ahhh ok. I was in sudo [03:30] <dvsoftware> and... enable thing... dunno the name right now [03:30] <occy> (man sudo rather) [03:30] <Pegasos989> Hmm. Propably one of the mainreasons for me to change to linux from the "good" ol' windows is safty, so I might make the boot partition then... I guess I do have that 5 gigs free on my anime hd... Well... May the partitioning begin (on the side of windows...)! [03:30] <aru> dvsoftware: ok, but following that link might help a lot [03:30] <dvsoftware> ok, will try [03:31] <dvsoftware> it's 64 bit system if it matters [03:31] <direwolf> have a good day everyone [03:31] <aru> just means you had to pay more for a regular computer :) [03:32] <Gerrath> There is a set of guidelines when providing support on this channel, I found the link once but I can't seem to find it now on the Ubuntu website, can someone give it to me? [03:32] <crashd> can anyone give us a hand with wifi setup pls ;) [03:32] <ph8> so how do i remove 386 from my machine? [03:32] <dvsoftware> crashd, what iwconfig says? [03:33] <crashd> iwconfig lists eth1 as the wireless adapter, ieee 802.11b [03:33] <crashd> but [03:33] <crashd> it isnt associated with any networks yet [03:33] <dvsoftware> set up essid for wifi card [03:33] <simplydazed> aru: much better, thank you [03:33] <Gerrath> I remember one of the rules was not to reference Ubuntuguide since it does not provide any details and history. [03:33] <aru> simplydazed: not a problem [03:33] <dvsoftware> iwconfig eth1 essid something [03:33] <aru> !ubuntuguide [03:33] <andpoi> Hello. [03:33] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why. [03:33] <crashd> dvsoftware: the essid of the access point (along with the keys im guessing) [03:33] <dvsoftware> yes [03:33] <aru> Gerrath: follow that link [03:34] <crashd> see [03:34] <simplydazed> aru: comming from RHEL & Fedora... [03:34] <Gerrath> Thanks. [03:34] <kaffeend> BTW peeps, could anyone please tell me why it takes forever for firefox to open a web page? [03:34] <andpoi> I just installed ubuntu yesterday [03:34] <aru> the Network Guidelines [03:34] <andpoi> I'm in love. [03:34] <crashd> i tried that, and it throws a "SET failed on device eth1; Operation not permitted" [03:34] <aru> simplydazed: I came from windows xp :) [03:34] <majic> kaffeend: you have a slow internet connection? [03:34] <crashd> which strikes me as a bit odd [03:34] <kaffeend> andpoi same here :D welcome! [03:34] <kaffeend> majic it was fast with windows [03:34] <aru> persia: you can follow that link also [03:34] <dvsoftware> crashd, dunno [03:35] <dvsoftware> i don't have that problems [03:35] <ph8> so how do i remove the 386 kernel from my machine? [03:35] <crashd> hehe [03:35] <Kyral> hmm [03:35] <crashd> i think i can set an essid via the network dialogue [03:35] <Kyral> this is odd [03:35] <simplydazed> aru: heh, orrite. In RH there is chkconfig to set daemon status according to runtimes, in Ubuntu there is? [03:35] <Gerrath> aru, that was it. [03:35] <majic> kaffeend: you have a slow computer? [03:35] <aru> Gerrath: excellent [03:35] <persia> aru: Thans. Not quite what I was hunting, but helpful nonetheless. [03:35] <majic> I don't seem to have that problem here [03:35] <aru> simplydazed: that I do not know [03:35] <occy> persia, :/ Man... do you know off hand. That seems fairly complicated. [03:35] <Kyral> GAIM cannot play sounds..wehn VLC is playing something...wait a second..*goes to check his VLC settings* [03:35] <aru> persia: almost excellent :) [03:36] <occy> persia, I simply want to be able to bind a key for rmmod psmouse [03:36] <simplydazed> aru: ok, thanks again [03:36] <aru> no [03:36] <dvsoftware> aru, i already did that from that guide [03:36] <crashd> but if i put an essid and a keypair in for it, the dialogue just hangs [03:36] <aru> simplydazed: no problem [03:36] <occy> and need sudo not to need a password for it. [03:36] <dvsoftware> and i get just blank screen [03:36] <kaffeend> not with a gig of ram, and an AMD64 cpu I don't majic [03:36] <aru> kaffeend: maybe your stopwatch is broken? [03:36] <majic> yeah [03:36] <occy> gonna bind a key to enable/disable touch pad (typing makes it go wacky all the time) [03:36] <kaffeend> aru That must be it! :P [03:36] <aru> last time I was timing all my apps, I realised my stopwatch batteries were going dead [03:37] <dvsoftware> occy, i have that key builtin [03:37] <majic> kaffeend: I run Ubuntu on a 566 mhz celeron with 256 ram. It's a fucking screamer I tell you! [03:37] <occy> dvsoftware, yeah? [03:37] <occy> hmmm [03:37] <aru> then I looked at my reflection in the monitor and punched it for being so dumb that I would time my applications [03:37] <kaffeend> hmmm [03:37] <dvsoftware> brb [03:37] <dvsoftware> lunch [03:37] <Kyral> Uhh [03:37] <majic> application speed is in the eye of the beholder [03:37] <aru> yup [03:37] <Kyral> Anyone know how to get VLC to use ALSA? [03:37] <crashd> and when it finally closes iwconfig wontshow the ap mac [03:37] <crashd> hmm [03:38] <persia> occy: You need to add a line to the file, identifying the user who can give the command, and which command. An example line is "pete HPPA = /usr/bin/passwd [A-z] *, !/usr/bin/passwd root", meaning pete can change anyone's password except root's. [03:38] <kaffeend> I think I know - I'm going to reveal my true n00bness here - I have Fat32 partitions :s [03:38] <HrdwrBoB> fat32 partition is good [03:38] <Kyral> kaffeend, I have FAT32 partitions [03:38] <HrdwrBoB> means you can easily write to it in linux [03:38] <kaffeend> really? [03:38] <Kyral> Easy to set permissions :D [03:38] <aru> Easy to fsck [03:39] <occy> persia, hmm ok. [03:39] <kaffeend> cool :D [03:39] <Kyral> one line in Fstab sets permissions for everyone [03:39] <aru> doh! [03:39] <lordmansfeld> btw, is there any difference between reiserfs and ext3? [03:40] <drcode> hi all [03:40] <kaffeend> drcode hi [03:40] <drcode> modem with sound can be supported? [03:40] <kaffeend> ?? [03:40] <drcode> I Want to save greating file [03:40] <drcode> from my hand phone [03:41] <occy> Warning: undeclared Host_Alias `HPPA' referenced near line 23 [03:41] <occy> Warning: undeclared Host_Alias `HPPA' referenced near line 24 [03:41] <occy> hmm [03:41] <persia> occy: Oops: forgive my cut & paste - in the sample line, replace HPPA with ALL. [03:41] <occy> october HPPA = /sbin/rmmod [03:41] <occy> october HPPA = /sbin/insmod [03:41] <occy> persia, hehehe [03:41] <occy> np [03:42] <occy> hmm [03:42] <uber_newber> to install windows 98, is all i need to do is download this? > http://seraphimhacks.sytes.net/98se.htm and then burn to a cd? [03:43] <kaffeend> with windows (yesterday) I would type google into the address bar and bang - there it is! But now I can roll a cigarette in the time it takes to come up... :( [03:43] <jowi> uber_newber, wow, that looks legal ;-) [03:43] <mastertet> Hello [03:43] <mastertet> I just installed hoary [03:44] <uber_newber> jowi: lol a friend posted it for me [03:44] <uber_newber> :-) [03:44] <persia> occy: for a single user, it's better to put all the commands on one llne (/sbin/rmmod, /sbin/insmod), I think. [03:44] <Kyral> Can anyone reccomend a good Icon theme to go along with an Aqua styled GNOME Theme [03:44] <mastertet> I also installed gstreamer...mad from universe, but several of the stream I was using under debian don't work and freez rhythmbox and bmp? [03:44] <occy> persia, ahhh okies [03:45] <kaffeend> Kyral where to get a Aqua theme for gnome? [03:45] <Nermal> uber_newber, 404 on the download [03:45] <Nermal> kaffeend, that's sooo 2000 [03:45] <jowi> Kyral, art.gnome.org [03:45] <kaffeend> Nermal wha? [03:45] <Kyral> kaffeend, the Glossy P theme from art.gnome.org is good [03:46] <Kyral> jowi, I've looked :P [03:46] <occy> persia, it lets me do it, but it's asking for a pass. [03:46] <jowi> Kyral, sorry, meant for kaffeend [03:46] <kaffeend> Kyral thanks ;) [03:46] <jowi> lol [03:46] <uber_newber> Nermal: whats that mean? [03:46] <occy> course, I'm in sudoers already for ALL [03:46] <occy> heh [03:46] <kaffeend> thanks jowi [03:46] <Nermal> uber_newber, download doesn't exist [03:47] <Kyral> Can't find a nice one... [03:47] <uber_newber> nermal: oh [03:47] <Kyral> trying to find one like the Mac OS X theme :P [03:47] <Nermal> buy a mac :) [03:47] <Nermal> then we won't have to support you either :) [03:47] <jowi> haha [03:48] <supernix> hmmm am I in trouble [03:48] <Nermal> woo .. mozilla corporation launched.. netscape all over again :) [03:48] <jowi> i think that the agua theme comes close (don't use metacity anymore so i'm not up-to-date) [03:48] <supernix> The top of my screen is doing something funny [03:48] <supernix> I see the sides at the very top starting to get a little bit wavy [03:49] <persia> occy: Perhaps I don't understand sudo as well as I thought. The only reference I can find is adding a user to the sudo group, but that doesn't help for only one command... My apologies. [03:49] <supernix> hmm doesnt seem to be doing it now [03:49] <jowi> supernix, maybe monitor that is getting old? or refreshrate for the monitor.. [03:49] <supernix> but there for a short period after the screen came back on it did get wavy just a hair [03:50] <jowi> supernix, if you have a CRT screen you could try to degaus it [03:50] <occy> persia, No worries Mate. You tried to help and I do thank you. [03:51] <supernix> ty jowi [03:51] <supernix> What does degausing do ? [03:51] <Sonderblade> /proc/cpuinfo only shows one cpu when i have a P4 with Hyperthreading why? [03:51] <persia> occy: Take a look at /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sudoers. There's a line in there with NOPASSWD - if you can decode the syntax, you can probably make it work. [03:51] <gwxnei001> k i know this isnt really ubuntu realted, i need some help making a new form pop up when i press a button in qt designer...anyone?? [03:51] <occy> ahhh [03:51] <supernix> I did that once before still don't quite understand it [03:51] <occy> persia, ok [03:53] <sklp> Sonderblade: you need an smp-enabled kernel to take advantage of hyperthreading [03:53] <occy> persia, I think I got it. [03:53] <occy> persia, unless I haven't timed out. [03:53] <occy> hehe [03:53] <occy> here's the line: [03:53] <kaffeend> Kyral I'm at that site and they have 0 desktop themes wtf? [03:53] <occy> october ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/rmmod,/sbin/modprobe [03:54] <persia> occy: does it still ask for a password if you use modprobe? [03:54] <Kyral> kaffeend, check Window Borders [03:54] <kaffeend> kk [03:54] <occy> persia, w00p! it works [03:54] <occy> ;) [03:55] <occy> opend another term, (where it asked me for my sudo su - pass) [03:55] <HrdwrBoB> sudo -s [03:55] <persia> occy: Glad to hear it then. Thanks for posting the line. [03:55] <HrdwrBoB> will giv eyou a root shell [03:55] <occy> and then typed: (without putting in my sudo pass) I typed: sudo rmmod psmouse and it worked! [03:55] <occy> persia, hey, thank you. ;) [03:55] <andpoi> I'm having problems with Audio/MP3 [03:55] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, use sudo -i [03:55] <occy> it's all about team. [03:55] <occy> hehe [03:55] <Seveas> not sudo -s [03:55] <andpoi> I can't get the package gstreamer-mad thing [03:55] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: depends what you want [03:55] <HrdwrBoB> anyway, bed time for me [03:56] <kaffeend> hey these are some nice skins :D [03:56] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, i have not seen a single thing that needs -s [03:56] <jowi> andpoi, the file name should be gstreamer0.8-mad [03:56] <Will_> Well. I just installed kubuntu. And I have to admit, I like KDE more [03:56] <andpoi> Yea, it doesnt' work [03:56] <dvsoftware> i'm downlading official nvidia drivers [03:57] <andpoi> jowi, can we PM? [03:57] <jowi> !mp3 [03:57] <ubotu> mp3 is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support [03:57] <kaffeend> Kyral what's the d/load and install protocol with these peppies please? [03:57] <persia> dvsoftware: Be careful: the newer versions don't support the older cards... [03:57] <kaffeend> puppies* [03:57] <dvsoftware> persia, what about nvidia geforce4 440 go ? [03:57] <Sonderblade> sklp, thanks will just apt-get linux-686-smp do it automagically? [03:58] <Kyral> kaffeend, there is an FAQ right there that explains it better than I can [03:58] <Seveas> Sonderblade, you will have to reboot to :) [03:58] <persia> dvsoftware: I don't know. The NVIDIA site allows you to download the README before you download the drivers, and it has a list for each version. [03:58] <kaffeend> Kyral okay - didn't see that - thanks ;) [03:58] <dvsoftware> persia, it's quite new, it's in amd64 notebook [04:00] <persia> dvsoftware: Never mind then - I'm abviously too tired: I thought it was an older model from something you said earlier, and forgot about the AMD64. You're probably supported. [04:00] <occy> persia, http://occy.net/node/135 [04:00] <dvsoftware> ok, i hope it will solve blank screen issue [04:02] <persia> occy: That's probably worth adding to the wiki: I didn't see anything there. [04:02] <Simonth> How do I install the files from www.openoffice.org? I can only get a very old version from apt-get, I want the new 1.9 from www.openoffice.org, but I dont know how to install [04:02] <_ng> Hi everybody. I'm building my own MySQL packages and put "Provides: libmysqlclient10, libmysqlclient12, mysql-common" in the control-file. That works fine for courier-authmysql, postfix-gld and postfix-mysql but proftpd-mysql still wants me to install libmysqlclient10. Any ideas? [04:02] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: is it right that there are rpm files? [04:03] <windex> Simonth, i have had problems with the openoffice development tree, and so have others. that's why it hasn't been released as 2.0 yet. [04:03] <windex> Simonth, if you do install it be prepared for random crashing and document mangling. [04:04] <jino> how to install real player [04:04] <kaffeend> Damn! I downloaded this file but I have no idea where to??? [04:04] <windex> kaffeend, in firefox? [04:05] <Simonth> OculusAquilae and windex: Okay, then I dont think I install it. It justs that that I LOVE new files ;) [04:05] <kaffeend> windex yup [04:05] <jino> Seveas, how to install real player? [04:05] <windex> kaffeend, edit -> prefrences -> downloads .. see where downloads go by default. [04:05] <kaffeend> windex ok cheers [04:05] <jino> Some body plz help me installing real player [04:06] <Simonth> Will Mozilla Thunderbird come on danish langague? [04:06] <jino> bob2, how can i install real player? [04:06] <dvsoftware> GeForce4 440 Go 0x0174 [04:06] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: there are packages in breezy (next ubuntu version) scheduled for october [04:06] <dvsoftware> well it's supported [04:06] <drcode> hi all [04:06] <windex> kaffeend, if that dosen't work, and you know the file name, you can run 'sudo updatedb' and then 'locate <filename>'. [04:06] <bob2> jino: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [04:06] <drcode> how can I send at command to modem ? [04:07] <drcode> with echo somthing ? [04:07] <kaffeend> thanks again windex - turned out to be the desktop :P [04:07] <Simonth> OculusAquilae, in 2 months right?..Okay - when breezy comes, do I need to burn a new cd and install from new or can I just upgrade? [04:07] <windex> kaffeend, haha. :) [04:07] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: you can upgrade [04:07] <jino> thanx [04:07] <Simonth> OculusAquilae, okay - good.. [04:08] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: but it is much too download [04:08] <kaffeend> mmmm.... Digital_Cream.... [04:08] <andpoi> Anyone have gstreamer0.8-mad installed? [04:09] <yomi> hey all. Got an error while booting the installation CD for Ubuntu: Uncompressing Linux... CRC error > -- System halted. [04:09] <Simonth> OculusAquilae, how much? If it is lower than 1000mb it is a little bit only.. [04:09] <InitMass> i think that ubuntu should have a firewall installed by default. many new users unexperienced users forget to install and use it otherwise [04:09] <kaffeend> now my windows look like ipod :D [04:09] <andpoi> Anyone have gstreamer0.8-mad installed? [04:09] <windex> Simonth, i may just be bitter because openoffice 2 'preview' release when it came out obliterated a business proposal i had spent 3 hours on. i had saved it regularly, but when it crashed, it overwrote the file with junk. [04:09] <andpoi> I think the server it's on is down, because I can't get it. [04:09] <jowi> guys, andpoi need gstreamer0.8-mad and have added the repos. apt-get still fails. i need to go. [04:09] <jbpunk> who can speak Chinese? [04:09] <jbpunk> ?? [04:09] <Simonth> windex, I see it is not working yet then :/ [04:10] <windex> Simonth, it might be slightly better now, but it was not a couple months ago. [04:10] <occy> haha [04:10] <occy> kick buttocks. [04:10] <occy> hmm [04:10] <occy> I wonder if there is a way to control the mouse with the arrow keys [04:11] <Simonth> windex, Okay, but I just wait until a working OpenOffice 2 come out in ubuntu/kubuntu packages [04:11] <occy> anyone know? [04:11] <OculusAquilae> Simonth: i don't know how much you have to download, depends on the number of packages you have installed, but i think it will be less than 1000MB :-) [04:11] <windex> occy, if there isin't, thats an accessibility feature that most likely should exist. :) [04:11] <occy> windex, nod nod [04:11] <occy> it'd be a neat trick to use if you don't have a mouse handy [04:12] <kaffeend> can do it in xp :P [04:12] <jbpunk> "can do it in xp " wh??? [04:12] <windex> he means you can use the numpad as a mouse in xp. [04:12] <windex> which is correct. [04:12] <kaffeend> can do it in xp with a magnifying lense and a voive that reads to you [04:13] <kaffeend> voice [04:13] <dvsoftware> xp sucks [04:13] <kaffeend> yep [04:13] <Simonth> OculusAquilae, Okay - then it is nothing ;) [04:13] <windex> dvsoftware, not if you're blind, or paralyzed, evidently. [04:14] <jbpunk> fuck Windows ---Me--xp---!!! [04:14] <dvsoftware> xp was "alive" for about 15 minutes on my notebook [04:14] <dvsoftware> and i accidently put ubuntu cd in dvd drive [04:14] <occy> with this laptop, I never booted it to windows. [04:14] <occy> I put in the Ubuntu CD, and never saw a windows screen [04:14] <kaffeend> mine was no accident [04:14] <occy> it's completely clean [04:14] <lordmansfeld> occy: I remember doing that a few days ago (in linux) [04:14] <occy> :) [04:14] <drcode> vgetty is for voice/data? [04:14] <dvsoftware> occy, i got it with windoze [04:14] <lordmansfeld> but I can't remember how >.< [04:14] <drcode> is there option to get fax/voice? [04:14] <occy> lordmansfeld, using arrow keys with mouse? [04:15] <occy> lordmansfeld, hmmm [04:15] <lordmansfeld> occy: yes [04:15] <lordmansfeld> I'll have a look... [04:15] <jbpunk> everyone use FreeBSD ? [04:15] <kaffeend> not me yet [04:15] <occy> lordmansfeld, thanks [04:15] <dvsoftware> not for sure [04:15] <windex> jbpunk, i've got it installed on one of my machines. i installed it when they implimented kernel-level threading so i could play with it. :) [04:15] <dvsoftware> everyone??? [04:16] <jbpunk> o ! any ? [04:16] <dvsoftware> jbailey, i think this is ubuntu linux supprot chanel and not freebsd support channel [04:17] <occy> lordmansfeld, gonna go google [04:17] <jbailey> dvsoftware: Hmm? [04:17] <occy> on another desktop. [04:17] <occy> bbiab [04:17] <dvsoftware> jbailey, sorry [04:17] <dvsoftware> i meant jbpunk [04:17] <jbailey> dvsoftware: Nothing stopping you from making an Ubuntu system based off of FreeBSD. =) [04:18] <jbailey> Ah. =) [04:18] <jbailey> No worries. [04:18] <jbpunk> Who can tell me ? ubuntu or debian which better? [04:18] <lordmansfeld> occy: it was in SuSE, it's an option in SaX2 [04:19] <occy> lordmansfeld, ahhh [04:19] <dvsoftware> jbpunk, if you are using it for desktop [04:19] <dvsoftware> ubuntu [04:19] <osfameron> dvsoftware: not for laptop? [04:19] <dvsoftware> osfameron, i meant for basic desktop operations [04:19] <jbpunk> ubuntu ? Web ? [04:20] <godzirra> Where does qmail send bounced mails? [04:20] <godzirra> what user account? [04:20] <dvsoftware> surfing, office, gaming, multimedia [04:20] <crashd> hmm [04:20] <lordmansfeld> occy: found it [04:20] <crashd> has anyone had much luck with expocity? [04:20] <lordmansfeld> occy: http://www.maysville-linux-users-group.org/article5.html [04:20] <jbpunk> dvsoftware haha ! I am CHinese [04:21] <windex> holy crap. was maysville-lug.org just not available?! [04:21] <occy> lordmansfeld, ooh ok [04:22] <itz> How do i do to get a user full rights over a group of users? lets say i connect a couple of user to froup "ftp" nad i want user "john" to get the rights to delete or move everything the group "ftp" creates? [04:23] <ph8> lo all, i'm trying to install my ATI drivers - i've found a tutorial on the forums which is just dandy but whenever i change the driver from "ATI" to "fglrx" things start breaking - apparently this is the important step but i've got no idea how to debug [04:24] <jbpunk> My machine is very poor, i can use which os, ??? for desktop! [04:24] <_SWAT_> jbpunk, please be a bit more specific [04:25] <jbpunk> pecific ?? what is ? [04:25] <_SWAT_> ph8, I have a Radeon 9700 pro and just used the ATI installer (just look at the ATI website). I have my dual-screen setup working fine :) [04:25] <jbpunk> i do not know ! [04:25] <dvsoftware> jbpunk, cpu, mainboard, graphics, etc? [04:26] <occy> lordmansfeld, got it! [04:26] <occy> lordmansfeld, it's awfuly slooooow [04:26] <occy> heh [04:26] <occy> wonder if you can speed that up somehow [04:26] <lordmansfeld> hehe yeah [04:27] <Seveas> itz, that's not something that is easily possible... [04:27] <lordmansfeld> well, it speeds up if you leave your finger on the key -.- [04:27] <Seveas> (if at all) [04:27] <_SWAT_> jbpunk, just to be clear. This is the Ubuntu channel, which is a linux (debian-based) distribution [04:27] <windex> is there a localized ubuntu channel for chinese? [04:27] <Seveas> windex, #ubuntu-zh [04:27] <windex> oh. [04:27] <windex> i think jbpunk was asking that before. [04:27] <jbpunk> ............ [04:27] <adkinsj> anyone successful getting recent CVS wine build running with ie? [04:28] <_SWAT_> jbpunk, just join the other chinese channel [04:28] <adkinsj> I get problems when IE tries to setup "Cannot contact the internet..." [04:28] <_SWAT_> don't use IE it's evil' [04:28] <jbpunk> sorry !! [04:28] <adkinsj> hehe I agree [04:28] <jbpunk> i know ! [04:28] <adkinsj> but gotta test some pages with it [04:29] <_SWAT_> just ask someone who uses windows ;) [04:29] <itz> Seveas, can i fix it in another way? i got several users uploading to my ftp and its bugging me to type sudo all the time to just taking stuff from upload to the correct folder [04:29] <_SWAT_> adkinsj, just make you're site using the standards (and not using browser specific code) and you'll be fine :D [04:30] <Seveas> _SWAT_, not true [04:30] <lordmansfeld> _SWAT_ that doesn't apply to IE ;) [04:30] <Seveas> IE f*cks up [04:30] <Seveas> MS still does not understand standards :) [04:30] <_SWAT_> Seveas, lordmansfeld, I know. But that's the fault of M$ [04:31] <ph8> _SWAT_: Just the 30 mb installer? [04:31] <itz> Seveas, i got chown "john" /home/ftp but when users uploading i dont get rights over the stuff.. are u with me? [04:31] <ph8> or the rpm? [04:31] <Seveas> itz, some ftp servers provide post-upload scripts [04:32] <Seveas> use these to correct that [04:32] <itz> Seveas, ok... sometimes linux is just a pain in the butt :( [04:32] <_SWAT_> ph8, just download the ATI linux drivers and the installer.sh script should be there somewhere. Just read the howto [04:32] <ph8> i'm saying there's an RPM and 30 mb installer file [04:32] <ph8> going with the installer one [04:32] <_SWAT_> itz, linux is plain logical :P [04:32] <Seveas> ph8, good [04:33] <Seveas> ph8, don't take the rpm one :) [04:33] <itz> _SWAT_, well logical maybe but effective NO [04:33] <Simonth> how do I run "ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run" ? [04:33] <Seveas> Simonth, don't [04:33] <Seveas> use the ati drivers provided by Ubuntu [04:34] <Simonth> Seveas, , how do I install the ati drivers from Ubuntu? [04:34] <itz> Simonth, u dont. u install ms win xp and averything get much easier :o [04:34] <_SWAT_> Seveas, what are you talking about? I'm always using the newest ATI drivers. And my dual-head setup works fine :) [04:34] <Seveas> Simonth, sudo aptitude install linux-686 (or linux-k7 if you are using an AMD processor) [04:35] <Seveas> itz, .... [04:35] <Simonth> Seveas, Iam using kubuntu - amd64 version [04:35] <itz> hehe [04:35] <itz> sorri had to [04:35] <itz> :P [04:35] <_SWAT_> Seveas, we're talking about graphics drivers, not kernels :D [04:35] <Seveas> _SWAT_, they come with the kernel packages... [04:35] <Seveas> hmm, amd64 [04:35] <luminerd> Hello! I am having a problem on a fresh install of Kubuntu. It is with my PS/2 mouse. I checked the modules, and sure enough, PSMOUSE is loaded. I tryed cating and oding /dev/psaux...no reply. Someone here yesterday told me to download GPM, but someone elsewhere told me that GPM wouldn't help me since I'm not getting a reply anyway. Can someone help me out please? [04:35] <Seveas> Simonth, what does 'uname -a' tell you? [04:35] <Simonth> Seveas, Linux simon 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic #1 Fri Jun 24 16:54:18 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux [04:36] <Seveas> Simonth, ok [04:36] <kemik> _SWAT_: how do you install the latest ATI drivers? make from source? [04:36] <_SWAT_> Simonth, I would suggest downloading/installing the newest graphics drivers from the ATI website using their installer. It has worked for me :) (btw, I'm using 32bit) [04:36] <Seveas> Simonth, and what does 'slocate fglrx' say? [04:36] <_SWAT_> kemik, I would suggest downloading/installing the newest graphics drivers from the ATI website using their installer. It has worked for me :) (btw, I'm using 32bit) [04:36] <Seveas> _SWAT_, don't do that... [04:36] <kemik> _SWAT_: hmm ok i'll look into it [04:36] <Seveas> that it works for you does not mean it is easy for us to support... [04:36] <_SWAT_> kemik, it says so on the ATI website. They even have a nice GUI installer :) [04:37] <Simonth> Seveas, /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko [04:37] <Seveas> Simonth, nice [04:37] <Seveas> you only have to edit xorg.conf then :) [04:37] <Seveas> Simonth, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf [04:37] <kemik> Seveas: ubuntu-team really should be better at supporting gfx-drivers as these are some of the "most important" ones [04:37] <Pegasos989> Note to seld: NEVER again be near a computer if the screen says anything along the lines of "format" or "partition"... I just formated 49 gigs of good pr0n... But atleast got more than enough room now. THis thingie seems to be installed finally. \o/ [04:37] <_SWAT_> Seveas, I know. But installing the drivers isn't difficult. I just like using hte newest graphics drivers (because ATI really needs to work quite hard on those) [04:37] <Seveas> answer the default answer to everything [04:37] <Scholar_Gypsy> hi, i just installed the mac os theme on Gnome (on Ubuntu), but I am unable to make the taskbar like the one on the screen shot on http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548 [04:37] <Scholar_Gypsy> can any one help me with this one? [04:38] <Seveas> and when it asks driver, answer: fglrx [04:38] <Seveas> that's all :) [04:38] <_SWAT_> Seveas, we were talking about you last night ;-) (nothing big though) [04:38] <Seveas> kemik, it's simply impossible to do that.... [04:38] <Seveas> _SWAT_, hmmm [04:38] <Simonth> Iam running X now (with X-chat)...I do not know which graphics drivers I had, that was the reason to install the newest ATI drivers, and some of the OpenGL screensavers runs sloooow, so I think it was maybe the ATI drivers that I dont have, or they are too old.. [04:38] <Seveas> care to give a summary? [04:38] <Simonth> Seveas, Iam running X now (with X-chat)...I do not know which graphics drivers I had, that was the reason to install the newest ATI drivers, and some of the OpenGL screensavers runs sloooow, so I think it was maybe the ATI drivers that I dont have, or they are too old..* [04:38] <Seveas> Simonth, by default the ate drivers are installed but not enabled [04:38] <rob_newbie> I am tring to install beep media player and apt-get is not finding it anyone know the proper file name or any suggestions? I have already apt-update and still not finding it. [04:39] <kemik> Pegasos989: i know that feeling... accidentally formatted the wrong partition once (was up laaaate and doing "important stuff" .. well ofcourse i messed up... got my lesson learned) [04:39] <Simonth> Seveas, how do I enable them? [04:39] <Seveas> that's ehat dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is for [04:39] <luminerd> I could start begging for help right now, but I don't suppose it would do what I'd want it to...which is display my sense of urgency. I have 25 PC's that were supposed to be running this morning, but I have to get them running ASAP. I know you guys do this for free and nobody requires you to do anything...but I would REALLY appreciate the help :) [04:39] <Orbi-> do i need to install some special packages to get ssh connecition to my ubuntu computer from windows computer? [04:39] <Pegasos989> :) [04:39] <_SWAT_> kemik, the ATI drivers are crap. They need to work at it. [04:39] <Orbi-> with program like putty [04:39] <Seveas> Simonth, also: sudo aptitude install xorg-driver-fglrx [04:39] <Simonth> Seveas, I have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg many times now...are there any way I can see about the ATI drivers is enabled or not?.. [04:39] <Simonth> Seveas, , I try [04:39] <kemik> _SWAT_: well, at least TV-out works (a friend has nvidia and had alot of trouble gettint tv.out to work) [04:39] <rob_newbie> Hello all [04:39] <Seveas> luminerd, what's the problem [04:39] <ph8> [Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module. [04:39] <ph8> [Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched. [04:39] <ph8> [Error] Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme. [04:40] <ph8> i can't find any readme [04:40] <Seveas> ph8, DO NOT paste in here [04:40] <luminerd> Seveas, shall I repeat it? [04:40] <ph8> apologies [04:40] <ruschi> hi folks, is there any standard or information about ho menues and the .desktop files are handles. for instance I go 3 global and 1 user location for xfig.desktop [04:40] <traveller> i'm having trouble running apt-get update, it says failed to fetch a Packages.gz but when i click on the link itself, i can get to it [04:40] <Seveas> luminerd, yes please :) [04:40] <kemik> Simonth: try glxgears and see if it's increased ;) [04:40] <rob_newbie> Thank you all for all the help by the way [04:40] <Simonth> Seveas, it install xorg-driver-fglrx now..after it had installed that, what should I do then? [04:40] <Simonth> kemik, good idea.. ;) [04:40] <Foaly> does so use licq ? [04:40] <ruschi> I am pretty pissed off because anytime I install a program, tat is nonstandard I have to create user specific .desktop entries by using kmenuedit [04:41] <Seveas> Simonth, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again [04:41] <concept10_> ph8, what are you tring to install [04:41] <Seveas> ruschi, relax, that's being fixed... [04:41] <Simonth> Seveas, okay but maybe I lost my screen settings then, last time I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it all the times forgot my 1024x768@85hz setting so I configured the xorg.conf file by my self, but I cant remember how now.. ;) But I hope it works... [04:41] <sls> how do you enable acpi "hiberate" in ubuntu [04:41] <ruschi> @Seveas hopefully [04:41] <sls> ? [04:41] <luminerd> Hello! I am having a problem on a fresh install of Kubuntu. It is with my PS/2 mouse. I checked the modules, and sure enough, PSMOUSE is loaded. I tryed cating and oding /dev/psaux...no reply. Someone here yesterday told me to download GPM, but someone elsewhere told me that GPM wouldn't help me since I'm not getting a reply anyway. Can someone help me out please? [04:42] <Seveas> Simonth, if you know how to edit xorg.conf: do that now too [04:42] <sls> it works out of the box in kubuntu [04:42] <Seveas> search for driver "ati" [04:42] <_SWAT_> Seveas, are you a Ubuntu-developer or something? You are often online here and helping out a lot of people. On the same note: great job, keep it up :-) [04:42] <Seveas> and replace that with driver "fglrx" [04:42] <Pegasos989> Ooh. I <3 this update system! No long trips to windosupdate and downloading 80 megs service packs <3<3<3 [04:42] <Simonth> Seveas, okay - 2 seconds..I take a backup of the file first.. [04:42] <Seveas> Simonth, good attitude :) [04:43] <_SWAT_> Pegasos989, and tell all of your friend about Ubuntu. Make them use it :) [04:43] <Seveas> luminerd, hmm.... [04:43] <Seveas> what kind of mouse? [04:43] <Seveas> (brand, model) [04:43] <itz> Seveas, maybe i got a "solution" to it... i make a "shortcut" to a little script lile sudo chown -R "john" /home/ftp/Upload What do u think? [04:43] <sls> I tried the fglrx driver on a DELL latitude c600 -- that particular ati card is not supported [04:44] <Seveas> itz, that's the easiest solution [04:44] <Simonth> Seveas, it is very stupid not to take backups :) Believe me! I have experience..I lost my hole damn homepage cause of my stupidity ;) [04:44] <luminerd> Seveas, errr...sysgration SAGM002 [04:44] <itz> Seveas, gr8 thx [04:44] <Seveas> Simonth, hehe [04:44] <Seveas> I know the experience :) [04:44] <luminerd> Seveas, but the mouse works fine on my windoze box :/ [04:44] <Simonth> :) [04:44] <ph8> concept10_: The ATI drivers from the website - i've triedn numerous readmes for using the Ubunutu built in and it just doesn't work [04:45] <Kyral> Everything works on a Windows Box, thats why its boring [04:45] <ph8> I have a fairly new laptop with an M200 gfx card [04:45] <ph8> well a brand new laptop [04:45] <Pegasos989> Hmm. This might actually be something that I could get atleast one of my friends to try... No any of those "Choose wich ones of these 9999999 debian packages you want t instal" etc. crap. Sure they are good if you reallly like customizing and know what you are doing, but... [04:45] <Pegasos989> Hmm... Updating doesn't require me to boot? [04:45] <Simonth> Kyral, everything?..hmm.. I dont think ;) [04:45] <_SWAT_> Simonth, backups are good (I'm also used to making them. Especially of /boot/grub/menu.lst :P [04:45] <ph8> whenever i change the driver to fglrx in xorg.conf for the Ubuntu setup i get a black screen on X server restart, so i was trying the 'official' ATI ones [04:45] <Kyral> Simonth, it was a joke :P [04:46] <ph8> but i get those errors, if someone wouldn't mind lending a hand [04:46] <kemik> Seveas: need to restart X for xorg.conf to be "reloaded" ? [04:46] <Seveas> kemik, yup [04:46] <Simonth> _SWAT_, I never touch that file, it is too dangerous(cant spell either) :P [04:46] <ruschi> ok, but back to the menuproblem, where do I put the .desktop entries so they will be found by kappfinder and/or appear automatically in the menues both for gnome and KDE (mainly kde) [04:46] <Simonth> Kyral, oh..sure :P [04:46] <windex> Kyral, i wasn't aware microsoft was paying people to sit in #ubuntu :D [04:47] <ruschi> strangely some users don't even have the "debian" meu anymore [04:47] <ph8> please? [04:47] <Pegasos989> I tried fedora coree 1 and debian 3.0 before but got tired of trying to configure my internet (unlike this, they didn't recognize my networks card) and there was this one big diffrence. What about root account? I made one when installing and logged in, so am I logged in as a root? :S [04:47] <ph8> I donate regularly and everything :) [04:47] <Seveas> ruschi, /usr/share/applications [04:47] <ruschi> thanks [04:47] <_SWAT_> Pegasos989, rebooting isn't that popular with linux :) . My PC has an uptime of 6 days. I turned it off because of lighting. Even when installing graphics drivers you only need to reboot the xserver, so even that doesn't need a reboot :D [04:48] <Seveas> luminerd, hmm, all I can find about sysgration is 3-button serial mice... [04:48] <ruschi> do I have to edit any xml files? [04:48] <Seveas> ruschi, try smeg for easy menu editing... [04:48] <Seveas> works for KDE too, despite its name [04:48] <luminerd> Seveas, this is 3-button...aren't most all mice now? [04:48] <ruschi> I'' give it a try [04:48] <Seveas> luminerd, is it serial-with-ps2-adaptor? [04:48] <ph8> _SWAT_: Did you get this error? [04:49] <luminerd> Seveas, umm...no...no adaptor [04:49] <ruschi> there is no "smeg" on my system nor in apt-get [04:50] <lordmansfeld> rushi: have you activated universe and multiverse repositories? [04:50] <lordmansfeld> *ruschi :) [04:51] <Seveas> !smeg [04:51] <ubotu> I heard smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [04:51] <Seveas> ^-- ruschi [04:51] <selinium> any vim users about? [04:51] <lordmansfeld> <-- [04:51] <st_lim> hi, [04:51] <st_lim> how do I install a udeb file? [04:52] <lordmansfeld> yes selinium ^^ [04:52] <st_lim> and how do I have udeb files in aptitude?? [04:52] <scapor> are there any good drivers available for the intel grafics chips in laptops ? with dri etc ? [04:52] <Seveas> with extensive use of :sp that means about 20 files :) [04:52] <Seveas> st_lim, udpkg -i [04:52] <Seveas> what are you trying to install? manually installing udebs can be tricky... [04:52] <selinium> lordmansfeld: Cool I am trying to fire up the tutorial on vim. how do you do it? [04:53] <Seveas> vimtutor [04:53] <st_lim> udpkg? [04:53] <lordmansfeld> vimtutor from bash? [04:53] <ruschi> @lordmansfeld yes I have them all activated [04:53] <st_lim> is there an apt tool for that? [04:53] <selinium> CHeers guys! [04:53] <ruschi> but still no smeg [04:53] <Seveas> ruschi, it's not in the standard repositories [04:53] <Seveas> !smeg [04:53] <ubotu> smeg is probably a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports. [04:53] <lordmansfeld> ruschi: i think Seveas has answered your question :) [04:53] <Seveas> look at that url [04:53] <ruschi> thanks [04:53] <ph8> Seveas: Any chance of you helping me out? [04:53] <ph8> :/ [04:54] <Seveas> what are you installing ph8? [04:54] <tikka> bye ubuntu, for i am ditching you for my other lover. gentoo [04:54] <luminerd> how do I get out of the X config screen in console? [04:54] <ph8> Seveas: The ATI Drivers from their website [04:54] <Seveas> ph8, why? [04:54] <factor> Control C it luminerd? [04:54] <ph8> Explained above that i just can't get the Ubuntu bundled working [04:54] <Seveas> Youhmm [04:54] <luminerd> factor, not working :/ [04:55] <ph8> I've followed all the guides but whenevr i set driver "fglrx" it just kills my X display [04:55] <Seveas> ph8, and why do you think these will work..? [04:55] <factor> Hm [04:55] <ph8> Was trying everything? [04:55] <Seveas> ph8, you need to change a few other bitx [04:55] <Seveas> most notably the mosules section [04:55] <ph8> Any advice is appreciated [04:55] <ph8> yup gotthat [04:55] <factor> luminerd> What's the program name? [04:55] <ph8> was following this guide -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557 [04:55] <Seveas> ph8, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/925 [04:56] <Seveas> that's my *working* xorg.conf [04:56] <Seveas> on a laptop with radeon mobility [04:56] <Seveas> and don't follow forum guides, use the wiki :) [04:56] <Pegasos989> They say that to add mp3support you need to type "apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad" to the root terminal but it isn't working. "E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad" [04:57] <luminerd> factor, err, umm...not sure [04:57] <lordmansfeld> try without the version number maybe [04:57] <luminerd> factor, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [04:57] <ph8> oo [04:57] <ph8> that looks useful [04:57] <ph8> will try that [04:57] <ph8> word in a second or so [04:57] <lordmansfeld> (easiest is to look it up in Synaptic, Pegasos989) [04:57] <Seveas> Pegasos989, enable the universe repository [04:57] <Seveas> Pegasos989: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [04:57] <Seveas> Pegasos989: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 [04:58] <Pegasos989> Thx [04:58] <luminerd> factor, nvm, I'll just reboot [04:58] <luminerd> lol [04:58] <ruschi> smeg doesn't install it depends on python-xdg >= 0.14 ; I got python-xdg 0.9-1 --- The tarball doesn't install because it can't find /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile [04:58] <factor> Lol luminerd [04:59] <factor> If all else fails, reboot! [04:59] <dvsoftware> yeaahh [04:59] <Seveas> ruschi, use the installeer script [04:59] <factor> Yo protoman [04:59] <dvsoftware> nvidia driver works [04:59] <luminerd> factor, well, it's what the M$ support team has been paid to tell people for years...it must be worth something! [04:59] <ph8> what's v4l/xtt Seveas ? [04:59] <factor> Haha. I wish I got paid every time I helped someone with a computer. [05:00] <factor> Where help == restart :-P [05:00] <ruschi> yes this is what I used [05:00] <luminerd> lol [05:00] <ruschi> and it complains about a missing makefile somewhere [05:00] <ruschi> ./setup.py install --prefix=/usr/local/ [05:00] <ruschi> unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory) [05:01] <Seveas> ruschi, you uset the installscript from realistanew.com? [05:01] <Seveas> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg [05:01] <incomplete> Hi, is there any documentation about how to make an hoary package? [05:01] <ruschi> no, sorry........... [05:01] <Seveas> try that :) [05:02] <mpm1> anyone recommend a messenger (not, amsn/gaim). [05:02] <Protoman8> <.< [05:02] <factor> Haha [05:02] <Seveas> bitlbee+xchat [05:02] <factor> Your christening of IRC is <.< :-P [05:02] <dvsoftware> ehhhh... now cedega [05:02] <scapor> mpm1: gossip [05:02] <Protoman8> thats right [05:02] <Protoman8> cuz it took liek 20mins of my life to get here [05:02] <mpmc> does gossip support msn? [05:02] <factor> Haha [05:03] <Protoman8> and part of your [05:03] <Protoman8> *yours [05:03] <lordmansfeld> mpmc, you could try Mercury for a MSN clone [05:03] <windex> Protoman8, IP over avian carrier? [05:03] <incomplete> mpm1, did you try BitlBee [05:03] <ph8> Seveas: About to give it a go [05:03] <factor> LOL windex [05:03] <Seveas> ph8, good luck! [05:03] <incomplete> What was the ubuntu packaging-centric IRC channel? [05:03] <lordmansfeld> mpmc, Mercury supports quite a few of the messenger Plus bells and whistles (colours and stuff) but it's a bit slow [05:04] <jdahm> hey I cannot get my cd to eject, uts not mounted and it still wont eject [05:04] <jdahm> any ideas? [05:04] <rob_newbie> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libglade-2.0.pc' [05:04] <rob_newbie> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable [05:04] <rob_newbie> No package 'libglade-2.0' found [05:04] <rob_newbie> configure: error: Cannot find libglade [05:04] <Seveas> incomplete, #ubuntu-motu perhaps [05:04] <lucasr> where can i get kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic? [05:04] <Seveas> rob_newbie, NEVER paste in here [05:04] <Seveas> rob_newbie, read the topic... [05:04] <lucasr> I can find it... [05:04] <Seveas> lucasr, linux-headers..... [05:04] <rob_newbie> Oh sorry [05:05] <windex> jdahm, places -> computer -> (right click, ) Eject dosen't work for you? [05:05] <Seveas> lucasr, the easy way: sudo aptitude install linux-amd64-generic [05:05] <Seveas> rob_newbie, what are you trying to install? [05:05] <lucasr> Seveas, ah, ok, i thought it was like debian... [05:05] <jdahm> windex: nope I get 'eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument' [05:05] <rob_newbie> Seveas; Beep media player [05:06] <jdahm> windex: been trying that [05:06] <Seveas> rob_newbie, that's in the repositories!! [05:06] <Seveas> don't install it from source... [05:06] <jdahm> hey is americas army in the repository? [05:06] <rob_newbie> Seveas: I have not found it [05:06] <windex> jdahm, sometimes cdrom drives lock up in a way that requires a power off to fix. at least, all my first-generation dvd-rw's do. [05:06] <Seveas> rob_newbie, then enable universe [05:07] <jdahm> windex: ah mines a cdrw [05:07] <Mackx> Hello all [05:07] <rob_newbie> Seveas: How do I do that? [05:07] <simplydazed> Hi, i just did a default installation of Hoary. Was just curious to find out why does my system boot into runlevel 5 when it's explicity stated to boot into level 2? Thanks [05:07] <windex> jdahm, in that case, that may be your problem. :) my usual cd burning drive is now a usb disk so i can toggle it on and off when it locks up. [05:07] <Seveas> rob_newbie: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:07] <Seveas> rob_newbie: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 [05:07] <jdahm> hey is there a way online to view the repository because its hard to view all those packages in synaptics? [05:08] <Seveas> simplydazed, then you must have changed something [05:08] <jdahm> windex: ah cool [05:08] <icewt> jdahm, packages.ubuntu.com [05:08] <InquiringMind> does anybody know if linux will ever take advantage of the idea of universal binaries like apple just did? [05:08] <ph8> Seveas: X came back but my original problem remains [05:08] <ph8> I'm trying to use the solar winds screensaver [05:08] <ph8> and the preview looks fantastic but full screen is laggy (with a capital L) [05:08] <mpmc> Please recommend an MSN/IRC client in one... [05:08] <Seveas> ph8, what is your glxgears score? [05:08] <jdahm> icewt: ah cool [05:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> mpmc : gaim [05:08] <windex> InquiringMind, oddly, it wouldn't be very hard to support this similar to what apple does. it just requires a launcher directory format to be followed by a window manager. [05:09] <simplydazed> Seveas: Default installation. In inittab it's default level is 2, but it boots to 5. [05:09] <Seveas> InquiringMind, 'Universal Binaries'? [05:09] <mpmc> not gaim/amsn [05:09] <ph8> it's a graphic with running gears [05:09] <rob_newbie> Seveas: Ok Thank You [05:09] <ph8> how do i find the score? [05:09] <icewt> mpmc, bitlbee [05:09] <verona> HOLA [05:09] <darkwise> Is epic or BitchX in those packages? [05:09] <Seveas> simplydazed, how did you find out it boots to 5? [05:09] <_SWAT_> ph8, sorry, I was out for a moment [05:09] <_SWAT_> fixing some door [05:09] <_SWAT_> s [05:09] <ph8> nps swat thanks for getting back [05:09] <tim> ph8, just type glxgears in a terminal [05:09] <ph8> i did [05:09] <mpmc> Icewt: I dunno how to config that [05:09] <windex> Seveas, apple ships these things they call universal binaries that cross PPC and i386. they're basically a normal OS X launcher directory with 2 binary directories, one for each platform. [05:09] <selinium> lordmansfeld Seveas: cheers for the vim thing. I am working on a computer 3 miles away. Woo hoo! [05:09] <ph8> and it brings up the graphic of three turning wheels [05:09] <simplydazed> Seveas: Well, does Ubuntu initiate xinit for 2? [05:09] <ph8> oh wait [05:09] <ph8> i see :p [05:10] <Seveas> windex, ah, bloat :) [05:10] <ph8> averaging about 800FPS [05:10] <_SWAT_> ph8, when you used the ATI installer you need to run.... eehmm...... fglrx-config or something. It's an ATI TUI tool to config the xorg.conf [05:10] <icewt> mpmc, read the docs then :) [05:10] <Seveas> simplydazed, yep [05:10] <InquiringMind> seveas: universal binaries allow a program to work on virtually any platform [05:10] <windex> Seveas, yep. but, it'll help make things easier for mac users, and that's what apple does. [05:10] <Seveas> simplydazed, in a terminal type: runlevel [05:10] <InquiringMind> as if it were pure binary. or w/e [05:10] <simplydazed> Seveas: well, thats solves it. Thanks :) [05:10] <ph8> _SWAT_: Seveas seems to have helped me get it working without the ati drivers from the site [05:10] <Seveas> windex, Ubuntu ships PPC and i386 cd's [05:10] <ph8> by helped i mean virtuaqlly done it all for me [05:10] <_SWAT_> ph8, hehehe. Alright then. :D [05:10] <ph8> which i have no complaints about :) [05:10] <Seveas> and on ppc you automagically install ppc binaries [05:10] <Seveas> even simpler :) [05:10] <InquiringMind> does anybody know if i can edit SWF files directly under linux? [05:10] <windex> InquiringMind, that is not what apple is doing with it's 'universal binary'. your application in what you just wrote there is closer to how java or .net works. [05:11] <Seveas> and less diskspace/bandwith needed [05:11] <ph8> So yes Seveas : 800FPS [05:11] <craig> hey [05:11] <Seveas> InquiringMind, Ubuntu ships PPC and i386 cd's [05:11] <ph8> 4000 frames/5 secs [05:11] <InquiringMind> winex, sorry - im not really up on it [05:11] <Seveas> sorry windex ;) [05:11] <darkwise> Ok I found BitchX, I am kind of a newb, do I need to install the ssl support for it also, or just the package itself. [05:11] <Sputn1k> after nvidia driver installiation everything works find, but after pc reboot x's don't work and i have to change driver to nv, where is the probem? [05:12] <Seveas> darkwise, sudo aptitude install bitchx [05:12] <windex> Seveas, sokay, i ignore people directing messages to me very effectivley. it's a result of being a BOFH at my last job for so long. [05:12] <Seveas> and done :) [05:12] <Seveas> windex, hehe :) [05:12] <simplydazed> Seveas: i'm comming from a RH background. Got a small question. Any tui way to assign daemons status per runlevel? Something like chkconfig? [05:12] <InquiringMind> oh.....can i use my iriver in linx? [05:12] <Pegasos989> I just don't understand that adding universe thignie. " https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto " I gwet to that last step "Once the package list has been updated, packages from universe can be installed" but umm... There is a lot of pakages. Am I meant to install them all? Like twenty or so. And none of them clearly labels "universe" or anything [05:12] <InquiringMind> linux*? [05:12] <Seveas> simplydazed, update-rc.d [05:12] <kawin> test [05:12] <simplydazed> Seveas: thanks again [05:13] <Seveas> if by tui you mean gui: for breezy there will be a gui [05:13] <ph8> any thoughts on the glx/screensaver results Seveas ? [05:13] <darkwise> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "BitchX" [05:13] <darkwise> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. [05:13] <Seveas> ph8, nope [05:13] <Seveas> darkwise, bitchx [05:13] <darkwise> did that also [05:13] <simplydazed> Seveas: text-user-interface [05:13] <darkwise> :P [05:13] <windex> Seveas, what's really funny is that i come in here in the morning to wake up, and i come in here in the evening because the _worst_ linux users are still smarter than most of the people i work with :D [05:13] <ph8> fglrxinfo still says Mesa, don't know if that's meant to be like that Seveas ? [05:13] <Seveas> darkwise, enable universe then... [05:13] <LBthc> anyone wants to help a Ubuntu newbie? [05:14] <ph8> ask away LBthc [05:14] <Seveas> ph8, that's odd [05:14] <ph8> i'll try a reboot [05:14] <Seveas> have you commented out the Load "glcore" in xorg.conf? [05:14] <ph8> yes [05:14] <Pegasos989> windex, I can prove thant wrong by just... u know... existing [05:14] <ph8> like in yours [05:14] <_SWAT_> ph8, that is strange [05:14] <Seveas> ph8, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/926 [05:14] <craig> Have a problem wid disk drive says it is mounted sudo fdisk -l but not in cfdisk does someone know why this is iam trying 2 access it but cant thanks in advance fro any help [05:14] <Seveas> that's my fglrxinfo [05:14] <Seveas> try rebooting indeed [05:14] <windex> Pegasos989, bzzt. i deal with people who occasionaly do not understand why the building needs power for their computer to work. [05:14] <Pegasos989> oh [05:14] <_SWAT_> Seveas, rebooting.... sounds scary :D [05:14] <LBthc> ok. i have a HD of 200gb (with important stuff inside) formated in NTFS. not mounted. how can i get everything working so that i can use and manipulate files from there? i dont need windows systems anymore. [05:15] <Pegasos989> I guess I was wrong [05:15] <mindmedic> LBthc, just ask [05:15] <Seveas> _SWAT_, X is a persistent bitch ;) [05:15] <Fitzsimmons> what is .nl the TLD for? [05:15] <windex> netherlands [05:15] <Fitzsimmons> thanks [05:15] <jdahm> is HAL a internet related thing on gnome? [05:15] <Seveas> Fitzsimmons, why do you want to know? :) [05:15] <darkwise> .nl isn't neverland? [05:15] <Pegasos989> windex, where do you exactly work then? [05:15] <_SWAT_> Seveas, I always do "alt+F1"... then kill gdm and xorg-common.... and then restart it :D [05:15] <ph8> ok thans brb [05:15] <Seveas> darkwise, lol :) [05:15] <Fitzsimmons> Seveas: curious [05:15] <windex> Pegasos989, i own my own consulting shop. i deal with a wide range of customers. [05:15] <ruschi> CONCLUSION: They way menues and Menue entries are handled under various Desktop definitely need a review - freedesktop.org is providing standards and they are implemented as it seem but all other standards are implemented as well - thats the point.... [05:15] <Pegasos989> k [05:16] <darkwise> Neverland Ranch. [05:16] <InquiringMind> does anybody know how i can transfer files in a GUI fashion from my iriver to my ubuntu box? im using the ifp-895 [05:16] <darkwise> You been there Seveas? [05:16] <darkwise> :P [05:16] <selinium> InquiringMind: there are a few apps around. ifp-line is a command line tool iripdb - Generates the DB files for the iRiver iHP-1xx pmp-common - hotplug scripts for portable music players also there is libiriverdb take a look [05:16] <Seveas> ruschi, correct [05:16] <Seveas> darkwise, nope ;) [05:16] <incomplete> I'll ask here too: is it possible to compile the libcairo breezy package in hoary? i.e. adjusting the dependicies. [05:16] <Seveas> incomplete, sure [05:17] <Seveas> apt-get source it, change the deps and compile [05:17] <InquiringMind> thanks selinium [05:17] <_SWAT_> non-linux question. Does anyone know a good site for nice wallpapers and a nice site for pimped linux desktops? I need some inspiration :D [05:17] <InquiringMind> art.gnome.org swat [05:17] <Seveas> no guarantees on whether it will work though [05:17] <InquiringMind> freshmeat.net also works, SWAT [05:17] <selinium> InquiringMind: np [05:17] <Earered> jdahm, in the linux world HAL stands for HArdware Abstraction Layer [05:17] <darkwise> So what is this Universe thing seveas? Just curious, like to know what it is before I enable it. [05:17] <jdahm> Earered: I just saw that and nice joke :P [05:17] <incomplete> Seveas, I got the .orig.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz manually, could you tell me how to continue? I'm not fond on .deb creation and so. [05:17] <_SWAT_> thnx InquiringMind :) [05:17] <Seveas> darkwise, it contains all packages maintained by the community :) [05:18] <darkwise> So there is no security risk involved? [05:18] <Despeeh> THE community :) [05:18] <Pegasos989> I hope I am not doing anything bad when I am marking EVERYTHING in synaptic to be installed. ;D [05:18] <Seveas> incomplete, sudo aptitude install maint-guide [05:18] <InquiringMind> _SWAT_ no prob [05:18] <Seveas> and read that [05:18] <Seveas> Pegasos989, ouch [05:18] <Seveas> that's even impossible :) [05:18] <Pegasos989> :( [05:18] <Seveas> some packages conflict with each other [05:18] <Pegasos989> damn [05:18] <incomplete> Seveas, that's probably all I need. Thank you. [05:18] <darkwise> cuz x-chat is just nasty looking. [05:18] <Pegasos989> I WANT TO INSTALL STUFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffff [05:19] <Seveas> Pegasos989, .... [05:19] <Pegasos989> Krhm [05:19] <Pegasos989> Nevermind [05:19] <simplydazed> Seveas: Can you display the status of a daemon with update-rc.d ? [05:19] <Pegasos989> :S [05:19] <Seveas> simplydazed, no [05:19] <craig> Can someone help me pls i just need to sort the problem out with me drive i cant access it i have tryed a few different ways but none of them seem to work [05:19] <selinium> What is the command line to see if something is installed? [05:19] <Seveas> craig, what kind of drive? [05:19] <ph8> Seveas: Still :/ [05:19] <Seveas> selinium, dpkg -l | less [05:20] <craig> 20 gig fat32 drive [05:20] <InquiringMind> but there is no gui utility for an iriver like gtkpod? [05:20] <Seveas> craig: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically [05:20] <selinium> Seveas: And if i was looking for a particular app? [05:20] <craig> thanks heaps mate:) [05:20] <Seveas> selinium, dpkg -l understands wildcards [05:20] <selinium> Seveas: cheers [05:20] <Seveas> dpkg -l '*apache*' [05:21] <Seveas> that shows all apache-related stuff [05:21] <selinium> Seveas: Thanks :) [05:21] <jdahm> when I was reading the LAMP server wiki I was told to install php4-mysql but they dont have that pkg any longer it looks loke :( [05:21] <jdahm> *like [05:23] <zever> !info php4-mysql [05:23] <ubotu> php4-mysql: (MySQL module for php4), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-10ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 116 kB [05:23] <zAo^> who can help me with imwheel? [05:23] <izmaelis> can iconvert ntfs->fat32 with gparted? [05:24] <jdahm> zever: but when I type in sudo install php4-mysql it says it doesnt exist [05:24] <InquiringMind> Seveas, do you know how I can get a GUI utility to edit files in my iriver? [05:24] <jdahm> *sudo apt-get install [05:24] <zever> jdahm, have you enabled universe [05:24] <jdahm> zever: nope [05:24] <zever> !repos [05:24] <ubotu> [repos] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:24] <zever> take a look there [05:25] <sebu> how do I list unmounted devices? [05:25] <traveller> i have problems fetching the Packages.gz for hoary universe, it says not in gzip format [05:25] <craig> seveas thanks heaps work no problems [05:25] <tom_> !apache [05:25] <ubotu> hmm... apache is Apache/PHP http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHPDevelopmentHowTo/ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom [05:26] <simplydazed> Iptables not in /etc/init.d ? [05:27] <Thee> how do I list unmounted devices? [05:27] <majic> simplydazed: I created my own iptables rules script that I put in init.d [05:28] <luminerd> does ubuntu come with wtf? [05:28] <izmaelis> Thee, i think cfdisk [05:28] <Thee> izmaelis: more precise, please. Ubuntu noob at work :) [05:28] <simplydazed> majic: ok. Although iptables-save should save the rules and load @ boot time, ritE? [05:29] <izmaelis> Thee, try #sudo cfdisk [05:29] <Pegasos989> Anyways. So I can't install all packages but I do need to install some to get the universe respository or whatever? I mean... I went thro https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto and to the step where the guide says "Once the package list has been updated, packages from universe can be installed." But what now. [05:29] <majic> dunno, I created my own script with the firewall rules I'm used to using [05:29] <izmaelis> and you will see your partition table [05:30] <mindmedic> Pegasos989, now you should be able to install all universe packages you need. take a look in synaptic [05:30] <dvsoftware> anyone has experience with cedega and 64bit ubuntu? [05:31] <|H|uokaus> hi [05:31] <ph8> Seveas: Still no joy, i'm a bit stumped now - my config is up at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/927 ... would you mind? ;) [05:31] <luminerd> does ubuntu come with wtf? [05:31] <|H|uokaus> i have a small problem.. my friend called me and asked to download nvidia drivers for ubuntu 5.04 and i have no idea where to get them :S [05:31] <ph8> apt-get? [05:31] <klaym> luminerd: what's wtf? [05:32] <|H|uokaus> i have no apt-get [05:32] <|H|uokaus> :P [05:32] <Fitzsimmons> it is an acroynm databse klaym [05:32] <|H|uokaus> and he has no internet [05:32] <klaym> so WTF stands for.. ? [05:32] <izmaelis> |H|uokaus, you can find linux nvidia drivers at nvidia's homepage [05:32] <luminerd> WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck it's a program that looks up the definition or usage of a program [05:32] <Seveas> ph8, hang on [05:32] <klaym> great [05:32] <Fitzsimmons> syntax: [05:32] <Fitzsimmons> wtf is rofl [05:33] <Choubaka> wtf wtf works too :) [05:33] <Fitzsimmons> yes it does [05:33] <|H|uokaus> mm.. yes i know.. he told me that he would need some kind of precompiled(?) drivers for ubuntu :D [05:33] <klaym> huokaus: why don't you just call your friend for advice? [05:34] <Choubaka> Huokaus: Your nick is not very easy to write, even with Tabcomplete. [05:34] <bigfoot1> hello all. I have a Palm OS pda. I sync with my ubuntu pc with the J-pilot program. BUt now I want to transfer my information (addresses, calendar info, to-do list, etc) to my pocketPC (HP Jornada 540 series). what must i do? [05:34] <Choubaka> consider removing the decorations :P [05:34] <Pegasos989> mindmedic, yeah... But I have no idea wich ones I need. If I want this to be able to play mp3 I must put some command to root terminal and that requires universe reprository. :S [05:35] <Choubaka> Huokaus: Anyway, if you're using ubuntu's precompiled kernel then you should be able to use aptitude or synaptic to download a precompiled driver. [05:35] <mindmedic> Pegasos989, well, now that you have added the universe repository these commands will succeed. for example you could apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad to enable mp3 playback in rhythmbox [05:36] <piksi> arghghgh [05:36] <bigfoot1> does anybody here not use a pda? please help if you do. thank you. [05:36] <piksi> i've tried EVERYTHING with this strange sata ide dvd-r drive and ubuntu WONT recognize it!!! [05:37] <piksi> i have nec dvd-r drive which claims (in xp) to be a generic scsi device [05:37] <piksi> can it be sata? [05:37] <Choubaka> I have no idea. [05:37] <Choubaka> :P [05:37] <shane> hey guys, my xmms freezes when i try to play my mp3s and i cant play them on any other program either also when i go to a site like purevolume or launch when i try to play the mp3s there it also does not work.....i get sound when i go to "sound" and press play for a game sound but iam not sure if my sound card is installed or not.......any ideas? [05:37] <ruumis> :P [05:37] <ruumis> not my own nick, but anyway [05:37] <Despeeh> are you using alsa or something else? [05:38] <Pegasos989> mindmedic, "E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad" still. Does that mean that I did some mistake while following the instruction or sumthing? [05:38] <Choubaka> ruumis: Well, at least you're now tabcompleteable. [05:38] <shane> piksi, i have that same dvd drive and also had that same problem [05:38] <zAo^> how can I make IMWheel so, that clicking the scroll wheel goes back??? [05:38] <Seveas> shane: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound [05:39] <bigfoot1> does anybody here use a windows os PDA/handheld computer? [05:39] <Despeeh> or alsa ;) [05:39] <ruumis> Choubaka Huokaus: Anyway, if you're using ubuntu's precompiled kernel then you should be able to use aptitude or synaptic to download a precompiled driver. [05:39] <Despeeh> killall esd allways :) [05:39] <ruumis> hmm [05:39] <piksi> shane: i have amilo pro v8010 with nec dvd and it just won't recognize it, i tried loading some sata drivers but didn't help [05:39] <Seveas> Despeeh, .... [05:39] <luminerd> Hey guys, I'm desperate for some help at this point. My problem is that my PS/2 mouse doesn't work. I am sure it's plugged in and in the right slot, and catting it won't get a response. I tried editing my xorg.conf, but nothing works...any ideas? [05:39] <shane> Seveas, do i do that on xmms? [05:39] <ruumis> how does that work without internet? :P [05:39] <Seveas> shane, yes [05:39] <Despeeh> Seveas im not going to argue with you, because Im gonna loose :) [05:40] <ruumis> damn [05:40] <hmrocha> hello [05:40] <hmrocha> i want gaim to use the spell checker of my language [05:40] <piksi> shane: but you managed to install with that dvd drive? [05:40] <shane> Seveas, would you happen to know why it sets everything to mute as defalt? [05:40] <hmrocha> how can i change the locale language of ubuntu? [05:41] <hmrocha> i still want to have all programs in english, but changing locale to my language [05:41] <hmrocha> is it possible? [05:41] <shane> piksi, iam sorry i have a different one by nec and it didnt regognize it [05:41] <Seveas> shane, no idea [05:41] <Seveas> hmrocha, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales [05:41] <shane> piksi, all i did to fix the problrem was reinstalling windows [05:41] <Seveas> hmrocha, and the other part (all english, but own locale) requires tweaking of /etc/environment [05:41] <luminerd> Has anyone here ever had a problem with a mouse not working like this? [05:41] <shane> piksi, if you feel like going through the hasle [05:42] <luminerd> It is very strange I think..... [05:42] <mindmedic> Pegasos, if you have enabled universe, it should be there. maybe you didn't add it correctly. [05:42] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ cat /etc/environment [05:42] <Seveas> LANG=nl_NL.UTF-8 [05:42] <Seveas> LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 [05:42] <Seveas> hmrocha, that example should help you :) [05:42] <Pegasos989> k [05:42] <bigfoot1> when i'm using gimp, how do i get the brushes window (the vertically long window) from closing when I move the focus on the canvas/image? [05:42] <hmrocha> Seveas, i should do LANG=pt_PT.UTF-8 then [05:42] <hmrocha> i'll try [05:42] <bigfoot1> closing-->minimizing. [05:42] <luminerd> Hey guys, I'm desperate for some help at this point. My problem is that my PS/2 mouse doesn't work. I am sure it's plugged in and in the right slot, and catting it won't get a response. I tried editing my xorg.conf, but nothing works...any ideas? Has anyone here ever had a problem with a mouse not working like this? It is very strange I think..... [05:43] <hmrocha> i'll see if gaim switches the spell checker to portuguese [05:43] <ph8> find anything weird, zany, and/or easily fixable Seveas ? [05:43] <mpmc> :) [05:45] <neofilo> hola alguien me puede ayudar [05:45] <Pegasos989> AH! Now I see what I did wrong. I still claim that the worst linux users can be worse than the ones that any of you do work with! I read the instructions, in wich it CLEARLY tells you to scroll down, check the checkbox and press ok. Well, I scrolled down and pressed ok. Way to go, me! [05:45] <luminerd> Please, anyone here who can help me? [05:46] <ph8> dataja [05:46] <ph8> don't ask to ask just ask :) [05:46] <ph8> Seveaz: find anything weird, zany, and/or easily fixable Seveas ? [05:47] <Nightcr8wl3r> greetigs [05:47] <Nightcr8wl3r> greetings [05:47] <zanathel> Hi [05:47] <Nightcr8wl3r> have a problem with wnck-applet [05:47] <Nightcr8wl3r> when I run it I now get this error [05:48] <Nightcr8wl3r> ailed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value [05:48] <Nightcr8wl3r> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value [05:48] <Seveas> grmbl [05:48] <Nightcr8wl3r> not sure why [05:48] <Seveas> freenode does not like me [05:48] <Seveas> ph8, no nothing suspicious... [05:48] <zanathel> Hi, I've made some configuration mistakes with the "gedit" startup. I've set the startarguments to open a document that doesn't exist AND the document I request to open. Is it possible to change the arguments somewhere? [05:48] <Nightcr8wl3r> any ideas [05:48] <bigfoot1> hello, all, i've been playing around with gTweakUi- menus and i got this result:http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot21lp.png. How do i put back that menu to where it used to be? [05:48] <mpmc> lol [05:48] <piksi> it is ridiculously lame that the debian install won't recognize my sata hdd and ubuntu won't recognize my nec dvd-r (scsi???) [05:49] <bigfoot1> mpmc, what's so funny? [05:49] <piksi> any ways around it? i loaded all kind of modules from the second console but it didn'th lepo [05:49] <bigfoot1> 8-) [05:49] <zanathel> so, if I for an instance opens a PHP document named "myDoc.php", the startup arguments would be: gedit ./evilDocument.php ./myDoc.php. I want to get rid of "evilDocument.php". [05:49] <piksi> help [05:49] <aladds_> hi [05:49] <Nightcr8wl3r> any ideas anyone regarding a problem with wnck-applet [05:49] <ph8> Seveas: So! Do you think it's unsupported and i should bug report it or somesuch? [05:49] <luminerd> Hey guys, I'm desperate for some help at this point. My problem is that my PS/2 mouse doesn't work. I am sure it's plugged in and in the right slot, and catting it won't get a response. I tried editing my xorg.conf, but nothing works...any ideas? Has anyone here ever had a problem with a mouse not working like this? It is very strange I think..... [05:49] <Nightcr8wl3r> ailed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value [05:49] <Nightcr8wl3r> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value [05:50] <aladds_> has anoyone noticed that sourceforge seems to be down? [05:50] <Seveas> aladds_, it isn't... [05:50] <aladds_> odd [05:50] <Sputn1k> where is modprobe.conf file i ubuntu? O.o [05:50] <aladds_> it seems to be for me [05:50] <ruumis> is there any way to get precompiled(?) nvidia driver for ubuntu? without apt-get? [05:51] <luminerd> Please? Nobody's helping :( [05:51] <Seveas> Sputn1k, modprobe.conf is obsolete [05:51] <Seveas> luminerd, try the mailinglists/forums... [05:51] <Nightcr8wl3r> anyone [05:51] <Nightcr8wl3r> help? [05:51] <aladds_> ok fine [05:52] <Sputn1k> Seveas so where is modules config? [05:52] <aladds_> it wasn't working earlier... [05:52] <Seveas> Sputn1k, /etc/modprobe.d/* (afaik) [05:52] <zanathel> luminerd: Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in the root terminal [05:52] <luminerd> zanathel, I did that :/ [05:52] <zanathel> luminerd: reconfigures everything. [05:52] <zanathel> luminerd: ah, ok. :( [05:52] <luminerd> thanks though :/ [05:53] <Nightcr8wl3r> can anyone help me out [05:53] <gfsg> Ok I have a script that connects my internet (pptp from isp), where do I put it to run as root automatically on boot, or on gnome? suid doesn't work with session manager [05:53] <Sputn1k> Seveas *=?? [05:53] <gfsg> suid doesn't seem to work with scripts at all [05:53] <Nightcr8wl3r> has anyone seen this error before Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value [05:53] <Nightcr8wl3r> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_17/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value [05:54] <mjr> gfsg, the quick'n'dirty way is to call it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh [05:54] <master_of_puppet> hi, why is mencoder (@ubuntu) 50% slower as on SuSE with the same hardware? [05:54] <crashd> why is it so hard to find a decent metacity theme :\ [05:54] <Seveas> Nightcr8wl3r: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too. [05:54] <druke> how does one set a cisco wireless pc card to RFMON? [05:54] <mjr> gfsg, the proper way would be to make it a sysv init script along the lines of the other scripts in that directory [05:54] <Seveas> Nightcr8wl3r, and do not paste in here [05:54] <gfsg> mjr - I like it quick and dirty, ty [05:54] <luminerd> Seveas, it's on LQ, but I'm desperately in need of fast help! [05:55] <kyncani> gfsg: quick and dirty, put it in /etc/init.d, add [ "$1" = "start" ] || exit 0; at the beginning, and use sysv-rc-conf to add it to runlevel 2 [05:55] <crashd> also, is there any way to make icons smaller, metacity takes up too much screen estate even at 1040 [05:56] <kyncani> gfsg: well, /me's just realised it's not *that* dirty [05:56] <gfsg> kyncani - sounds even better, ty [05:56] <gfsg> hehe [05:57] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world. [05:57] <Pegasos989> Hello, EnsignRedshirt. [05:58] <ph8> ok [05:58] <ph8> other questions. [05:58] <mindmedic> Hello, EnsignRedshirt [05:58] <EnsignRedshirt> I'm still running warty, which means I only recently got Firefox 1.0.* in a recent security update. [05:58] <ph8> Is it possible to get rid of that annoying as hell on-login sound in Kubuntu [05:58] <ph8> and/or change it? [05:58] <mindmedic> ph8, look in the kde control center.. [05:58] <mpmc> lol [05:58] <mindmedic> "system sound something" [05:59] <luminerd> man this sucks [05:59] <EnsignRedshirt> The search function is different in Firefox 1.0. How do I get it to move to a word that it finds? [05:59] <Seveas> ph8, system -> admin -> login screen setup [05:59] <Seveas> EnsignRedshirt, F3 [06:00] <ph8> ah nice one [06:00] <ep> I started a 3d game, had to kill it and now my resolution is all screwed up. Do I need do kill/restart X. How do i fix it? [06:00] <ph8> it's sys notification -> sounds -> kde system notifications [06:00] <renato> hi, i love ubuntu! [06:01] <hyphenated> ep: if you're lucky, a couple of Ctrl+Alt+numpad_minuses will fix it [06:01] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas: F3 brings up the search field. It seems to be the same as ctrl-F. But it does not move the page to the word. [06:01] <Seveas> EnsignRedshirt, it should go to the word while you are typing [06:01] <Seveas> F3 moves you to the next occurence of that word [06:01] <druke> I am trying to edit my driver configuration(of my wireless card) however the /proc/driver/aironet/Config returns access denied when i try and save, i ran gedit as sudo though [06:02] <Seveas> renato, we all do :) [06:02] <master_of_puppet> hi, why is mencoder (@ubuntu) 50% slower as on SuSE with the same hardware? [06:02] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas: Hmmm... that is not happening. [06:02] <resmo> hi [06:02] <Pegasos989> 'lo [06:02] <luminerd> fux0rs [06:02] <ph8> if i run -> kcontrol [06:03] <resmo> i got a strange thing here, i can only start realplayer if gnomemeeting runs, any ideas why? [06:03] <ph8> with sudo [06:03] <ph8> bugger all happens [06:03] <ph8> is there an error log anywhere? [06:03] <matt_> hey, does anyone know how to load new changes in the /etc/fstab without rebooting? [06:03] <hyphenated> ph8: are you running it in a shell? [06:03] <Seveas> matt_, mount -a [06:03] <ph8> i want to try running it with sudo because whenever i try and enter administrator mode it just cocks up - goes back to the index and doesn't go into admin mode [06:04] <Seveas> or for certain partitions: mount -o remount /dev/thedrive [06:04] <ph8> i've had to do everything through the shell so far (re: network config) [06:04] <ph8> i'm trying to run it from the kde menu [06:04] <ph8> kde button -> run [06:04] <matt_> one minute, ill look into that [06:04] <hyphenated> ph8: ah. well, sudo is waiting for you to type your password in ;-) only it hasn't put any place there for you to type it [06:05] <hyphenated> ph8: try kdesu or something instead instead of sudo [06:05] <ph8> i use the 'more options' field [06:05] <ph8> that lets me put in my password [06:05] <selinium> What is the command line for trace route? [06:05] <ph8> kdesu worked ;) [06:05] <ph8> how's that work without a password then? [06:06] <luminerd> Someone here must know my problem, and if they do, I beg for help...I am absolutely desperate as I have 20 machines which were supposed to be up and running this morning. they are identical and if I get one working I'll have no problems getting them all to work...but this damn stubborn mouse just won't work. PLEASE I beg for help! [06:06] <hyphenated> you probably used it for something else earlier, like those failed attempts to get into administrator mode [06:06] <hyphenated> if it were a fresh login, or you wait for the 'last use' timer to expire, it'll prompt for the password [06:06] <ph8> ah [06:06] <Seveas> luminerd, stop repeating and try the mailinglist/forums. it is clear that no-one in here can help you... [06:07] <JoshRA> hello. I am trying to get a higer res then 1024x768 but that is all ubuntu is saying is there but i know fora fact uit can go higher. How can i fix this [06:07] <luminerd> Seveas, I have posted it on the forums. I am waiting for a response. [06:08] <luminerd> Seveas, and the only time I repeated was when you requested me to do so. All other times I have rephrased. [06:08] <luminerd> Is there professional support for Ubuntu that I can pay for? [06:10] <icewt> luminerd, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/paidsupport [06:10] <eurux> hi all... [06:10] <luminerd> thank you icewt! [06:10] <eurux> I've a problem during the install of ubuntu on usb disk. [06:10] <eurux> may someone help me?
 [06:10] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas (or anyone else): I looked for settings that might affect the search function under Preferences. The only one that seemed relevant was "Begin finding as you begin typing" under Advanced/Accessibility, but it didn't help. [06:11] <Despeeh> JoshRA: set xorg to show you that mode [06:11] <selinium> luminerd: good luck [06:11] <luminerd> icewt, is there phone support I can pay for? [06:12] <matt_> Seveas, that worked great. thanks [06:12] <luminerd> Other than a $250 package when I have no need for anything but a phone conversation with someone who knows what they are talking about? I'll do it if I have to. [06:12] <icewt> luminerd, don't know [06:12] <Despeeh> eurux: do you have some little usb stick only . or big harddrive? [06:13] <eurux> big one. [06:13] <luminerd> ok thanks [06:13] <eurux> i've modified mkinitrd.conf for usb support [06:13] <EnsignRedshirt> luminerd: Do try the mailing list, too. You might hit a different set of virtual "ears". [06:13] <icewt> luminerd, you could try some other channels too though, for example #ubuntu @ ircnet or something [06:13] <eurux> but during mkinitrd it fails. [06:13] <Despeeh> hmm [06:13] <selinium> luminerd: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/marketplace/ [06:13] <osfameron> the marketplace has lots of company names - maybe one of those wil bill for a phone-call support? [06:14] <luminerd> thanks selinium and osfameron [06:14] <Echelon-H> is there a firewall on ubuntu? [06:14] <Echelon-H> I need to open port 1999 and I dont know how to do it. [06:16] <selinium> Echelon-H sudo apt-get install firestarter [06:16] <sky__> hi@all [06:16] <wdh> hi ppls.. does anyone know how i could burn a *.bin image to a cd without having the *.cue available? [06:16] <Choubaka> Echelon-H: If you don't have a firewall, then the port is open .P [06:17] <sky__> hmm someone has tipps to make ubuntu (better said gnome) faster with only 366mhz/256MB RAM ? [06:17] <selinium> Echelon-H:; are you using a router? It may have a hardware firewall in it [06:17] <Echelon-H> Choubaka, but i opened a port and im behind a router. i've enabled dmz but still it doesn't work. [06:17] <Echelon-H> selinium, i canceled the DMZ for this adress. [06:18] <Choubaka> Echelon-H: I doubt ubuntu can help that. [06:18] <Choubaka> configure your router properly. [06:19] <selinium> Echelon-H: configure the router to pass the port onto the pc want to recieve it. [06:19] <gregg_> wdh: there's a chance if it is single-track and you know its format [06:19] <gregg_> wdh: most "raw" images have mode2/2352 [06:19] <acid2> Hey ho, what repo holds libfaad? [06:20] <wdh> gregg_, and how would i find that out? [06:21] <warty> Can anybody explain the difference between the ubuntu installer and the Debian sarge installer? [06:21] <gregg_> wdh: try this script: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1314 [06:22] <gregg_> call it with "script infile.bin outfile.iso", ^C after a few seconds and look at what file reports about outfile.iso [06:22] <EnsignRedshirt> Anyone know how to get Firefox search to move to the location in a page where it finds a word? [06:22] <Belutz> help... my virtual desktop is gone.... how do i restore it ?? [06:23] <EnsignRedshirt> Currently I have to enable highlighting, and then manually scroll the page and look for the yellow highlights. [06:23] <mindmedic> Belutz, right click on a free space in the panel --> add --> desktop switcher [06:23] <gregg_> wdh: if file tells you it's iso-9660, it's doing ok [06:24] <Belutz> mindmedic: yes... already... but in desktop switcher there is only one desktop [06:24] <hmrocha> can i safely upgrade some packages to the breezy version without upgrading X ? [06:24] <mindmedic> belutz, tried right clicking on the applet? [06:24] <acid2> someone mind posting there sources.list ? [06:24] <mindmedic> preferences [06:24] <hmrocha> i mean, upgrading libgtk for example [06:24] <starseed> does ubuntu have a lot of user contributed repos .. last time I used it about 6 months ago I found the set of packages available pretty lacking compariably [06:25] <wdh> gregg_, well.. it is :) [06:25] <wdh> gregg_, so i should just wait that out and burn the iso? [06:25] <dvsoftware> me again [06:25] <dvsoftware> i have another problem [06:25] <mindmedic> starseed, universe multiverse & backports got everything i need.. [06:25] <gregg_> wdh: yeah, just restart the script and let it convert the whole file and burn it after that [06:25] <dvsoftware> nvidia again [06:25] <wdh> gregg_, thx a lot :) [06:25] <dvsoftware> i've installed 64bit drivers and they work fine [06:26] <dvsoftware> but 32bit compatibility doesn't work [06:26] <wdh> gregg_, this is way better then some binary windows executable doing it :) at least i can see what its doing now basicly :) [06:26] <Echelon-H> is there anything like "net send" in linux? [06:26] <dvsoftware> i've tried to fix that issue [06:26] <dvsoftware> but... [06:26] <gregg_> wdh: hehe [06:26] <dvsoftware> it works partially [06:26] <Belutz> hmmm ok [06:26] <eurux> Echelon-H: you can start nmap <ip-router> and see ... [06:27] <Belutz> trying hat [06:27] <gregg_> Echelon-H: smbclient -M AFAIK [06:28] <Spudchat> omg everyones fingers must have fallen off [06:28] <gregg_> Echelon-H: but maybe it's not the same... [06:28] <godzirra> Anyone know how to get nethack to let you use the arrow keys to move? :) [06:28] <gregg_> smbclient -M uses winpopup [06:28] <gregg_> godzirra: gee, that's not geeky enough [06:29] <selinium> Why does my pc keep requesting the install disc when installing new apps? [06:29] <Choubaka> eh [06:29] <Hoxzer> how much ubuntu takes HDD space? [06:29] <Choubaka> no-one plays roguelikes with the arrow keys. you need to use the numpad ;P [06:29] <icewt> selinium, remove the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list [06:29] <sky__> @Hoxzer: approx 2GB with me [06:29] <selinium> icetw: cheers [06:29] <godzirra> gregg_: I'm lazy and I have a laptop. If I had a numberpad I'd use the number pad. [06:30] <Hoxzer> Sky: :O oh its pretty much anyway [06:30] <Hoxzer> I thought something like 1GB [06:30] <coolkev> how do i turn off any unnessary system logs... also does the ubuntu system log the Login attempts at stat up and the user and password entered? [06:30] <Choubaka> Well, considering the number of apps ubuntu comes with it's not much [06:30] <gregg_> Hoxzer: 3.5GB with *lots* of stuff installed [06:31] <icewt> selinium, ...or comment it out. the one pointing to cdrom [06:31] <selinium> icewt: works a treat! [06:31] <Choubaka> gregg_: whoa. lots indeed. :P [06:31] <Hoxzer> yeah, my laptop has only 10GB HDD [06:31] <selinium> icewt: cheers! [06:31] <gregg_> about 1200 packages [06:31] <Belutz> mindmedic: it worksss... thx :) [06:31] <coolkev> My question is directly Ubuntu related [06:31] <godzirra> gregg_: no idea? [06:31] <Hoxzer> It may have one extra HDD but I did't have mount it [06:31] <Hoxzer> how I can see if there is one? [06:31] <JoshRA> Despeeh: and how do i do that [06:31] <coolkev> So is it possible to get help asap [06:31] <esac> i am missing smbmount, any idea how to get it ? [06:32] <gregg_> godzirra: no idea :) [06:32] <melio> coolkev, dont' ask to ask, just ask [06:32] <coolkev> how do i turn off any unnessary system logs... also does the ubuntu system log the Login attempts at stat up and the user and password entered? [06:32] <dvsoftware> Hoxzer, fdisk, cfdisk [06:32] <eurux> well on extra hd I've a problem.... [06:32] <eurux> i'm not able to start second stage installl [06:32] <zAo^> Can some1 help me with a 3-button mouse and Imwheel? [06:32] <eurux> after the first reboot on usb disk, kernel panic. [06:32] <melio> coolkev if you know specificly which log you are trying to turn off, find out what generates it. and change the command in the file that loads it at boot [06:33] <melio> usualy in linux, each runlevel has a command file [06:33] <esac> or i guess more specifically, what do i apt-get install in order to get smbmount ? [06:33] <melio> like modprobe.conf boots first [06:33] <Hoxzer> Dv: when I do cfdisk it says something like "serious error: can't open driver" [06:33] <coolkev> i'm talking about default logs that Ubuntu automatially has running.. without any additional software [06:33] <melio> then each runlevel's loader [06:33] <Hoxzer> "press anykey to exit from cfdisk [06:33] <raDeon> how do i put gcc in my path [06:33] <Hoxzer> I think its becouse my firs HDD is too full [06:34] <dvsoftware> Hoxzer, that means that something is screwed up [06:34] <gregg_> Hoxzer: fdisk -l /dev/yourdisk (e.g. /dev/hda) [06:34] <melio> coolkev I'v only loaded ubuntu last night [06:34] <starseed> is there a base install iso , with ability to download packages from the internet ? [06:34] <melio> so if I figure out the userland of this before too long I can probably help you [06:34] <zAo^> esac, did you even try to find it out? took me 1 sec... [06:34] <melio> keep asking. someone will know. try forums also [06:35] <raDeon> how do i put gcc in my path [06:35] <esac> zAo^: i didnt know about the apt-cache search command until just now, but i found it with that command too, thanks for your wonderful help (dripping sarcasm) [06:35] <dvsoftware> raDeon, you need to install gcc [06:36] <dvsoftware> apt-get install build-essential [06:36] <raDeon> thanks [06:36] <dvsoftware> np [06:36] <zAo^> esac, you asked the same thing 2 times in 1 min. In Synaptic (see every tutorial) you can find things [06:37] <esac> zAo^: a. i didnt ask the same thing 2 times, i was trying to clarify what i was asking, b. you are wrong to assume that all people actually use the gui [06:37] <t0mmy> i'm curious, why exactly do virtual terminals not work on debian/ubuntu? [06:37] <t0mmy> they seem like they'd be a handy thing to have [06:38] <zAo^> esac, I presume, when you only use console, that you might know of apt-cache [06:38] <gregg_> t0mmy: the do work, or I don't know what you mean with virtual terminal :) [06:38] <gregg_> theys [06:38] <melio> anyone know the gmail settings for pop in evolution [06:38] <gregg_> they, damnit :) [06:38] <melio> I tried pop.gmail.com and it's not connecting [06:38] <esac> zAo^: well i obviously didn't thats why i was asking :) [06:38] <melio> smtp is correct. it does that first [06:38] <melio> hey f_newton [06:39] <t0mmy> you know, ALT+F* and such [06:39] <t0mmy> like on fedora/red hat [06:39] <f_newton> hey melio whats up? [06:39] <zAo^> esac, k. Sorry for my reaction m8, I only see a lot of people asking things that are in the Guide. [06:39] <melio> just tweaking, setting up apps [06:39] <SwitchUp> Hi, my first time using ubuntu. Is there an easy way to watch dvd and xvid movies? [06:39] <zAo^> SwissPhoenix, www.ubuntuguide.org [06:39] <melio> switchup xine and mplayer [06:40] <baua_Dr_GonZo> hi men [06:40] <f_newton> yeah I did that most of yesterday [06:40] <baua_Dr_GonZo> I have a question [06:40] <raDeon> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! [06:40] <raDeon> how do i fix this [06:40] <eurux> well i tryed the guide for boot with ubuntu from my usb disk, but it fails during mkinitrd [06:40] <f_newton> how do you like it so far? other then the mdk style fonts I mean? [06:40] <gregg_> t0mmy: well, they do work in ubuntu [06:40] <baua_Dr_GonZo> I have a local network with some computers on ubuntu but without internet access [06:41] <gregg_> maybe your /etc/inittab is screwed up? [06:41] <melio> f_newton, honestly. I think it's disorganized [06:41] <baua_Dr_GonZo> I would like forward the update from a server to my local network [06:41] <f_newton> how so? [06:41] <eurux> no It' ok... [06:41] <luminerd> why the **** doesn't emacs come with ubuntu? lol [06:41] <melio> f_newton, a new user wouldnt know how to setup repos just like in fedora [06:41] <f_newton> the menu is not laid out like rh thats true... its more like stock gnome [06:41] <t0mmy> alt+F* virtual terminals don't work [06:41] <baua_Dr_GonZo> Is it possible ?? [06:41] <t0mmy> ew emacs :D [06:41] <melio> f_newton, yeah I guess I agree [06:41] <t0mmy> shield* [06:41] <melio> f_newton, the issue with bad resolutions at startup could foil a lot of installs tho [06:42] <t0mmy> i'd probably like emacs if i learned the key combos [06:42] <melio> f_newton, I have a 19 inch crt monitor and a geforce 6800, I should have no problems with xorg.conf defualt [06:42] <t0mmy> but i just use gedit :D [06:42] <melio> but alas. I had to remove the high resolution out of it to get it to work [06:42] <eurux> baua_Dr_GonZo: something like SystemImager ? [06:42] <melio> let alone having to touch VI [06:42] <melio> that pissed me off [06:42] <melio> vi is my least favorite app on the planet [06:42] <luminerd> how do I get emacs? [06:42] <t0mmy> ... [06:42] <t0mmy> >_< [06:42] <t0mmy> sudo apt-get install emacs [06:42] <f_newton> melio... there really does need some attention to installation menu and information, but as far as setting up repos if you read the beginners guide all is easily explained [06:42] <t0mmy> probably [06:42] <luminerd> thanks t0mmy [06:43] <t0mmy> vim is cool [06:43] <Hoxzer> how can I see how much I have free space? [06:43] <t0mmy> emacs is like 483175926 key combonations [06:43] <t0mmy> vim it's just like all you need is [06:43] <t0mmy> :q [06:43] <gregg_> t0mmy: when you are in X, you need to press ctrl-alt-f* to get out of it [06:43] <baua_Dr_GonZo> eurux, I don't know this app, [06:43] <t0mmy> :wq [06:43] <t0mmy> :q! [06:43] <icewt> Hoxzer, df -h [06:43] <baua_Dr_GonZo> I gonna look at it [06:43] <melio> f_newton, I will tonight. I'm just eating and getting ready for work [06:43] <f_newton> melio, my concern is with the inner workings, the way the kernel works with the apps I use etc [06:43] <baua_Dr_GonZo> yhx eurux [06:43] <baua_Dr_GonZo> thx eurux [06:43] <melio> f_newton, I can't tell you my experiance with that. things seem to run fairly smooth so far tho [06:43] <eurux> np [06:44] <t0mmy> wow [06:44] <t0mmy> it does work [06:44] <t0mmy> that's hot [06:44] <f_newton> yes I've been very happy with the way it works [06:44] <melio> Gimp loads 200% faster :P [06:44] <t0mmy> i never knew that worked in ubuntu [06:44] <t0mmy> thanks [06:44] <f_newton> lol not just gimp [06:44] <melio> I do belive that's because of reisefs tho [06:44] <melio> yeah lots of things are faster [06:44] <Hoxzer> freespace 700MB :D [06:44] <melio> this is very good performance [06:44] <Hoxzer> aargh [06:44] <Hoxzer> DVD is taking too much space [06:45] <luminerd> f*ck!!! [06:45] <luminerd> package emacs is not available! [06:45] <dvsoftware> argh [06:45] <djp> luminerd: emacs21 is what you need [06:45] <dvsoftware> i can't get cedega to work correctly [06:45] <melio> Ooo the trash can is in the corner [06:45] <melio> nice! [06:45] <redtech> melio: you got the pop working? [06:45] <dvsoftware> on amd64 [06:45] <melio> redtech no [06:46] <luminerd> djp, thanks! [06:46] <melio> redtech I used pop.gmail.com with secure Always [06:46] <redtech> enabled ssl for pop.gmail.com ? [06:46] <melio> that usualy works [06:46] <redtech> yeah,.. hmm [06:46] <melio> yeah [06:46] <dvsoftware> how much data i need to download in order to set up 32bit chroot? [06:46] <melio> lemme try it again .. I closed evo just now [06:46] <dvsoftware> i have slow connection (4kb/s) [06:47] <acid2> could someone tell me which repo contains libfaad2 and libfaad2-devel? [06:47] <dvsoftware> ? [06:47] <dvsoftware> anyone [06:47] <raDeon> checking for libz... configure: error: not found. [06:47] <raDeon> Possibly configure picks up an outdated version [06:47] <raDeon> installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system. [06:47] <raDeon> Check your installation and look into config.log [06:47] <acid2> dvsoftware: patience... [06:47] <raDeon> how do i fix [06:47] <melio> there we go [06:47] <melio> for some reason it wasnt working [06:47] <melio> now it is [06:47] <bolivar> i searched "picture" in the package manager hoping to find something to print more than one picture on 1 peice of photo paper. like my hp software did on windows. anything like that available? thanks [06:48] <acid2> melio: you got gmail working in evolution? [06:48] <icewt> acid2, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libfaad2&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all [06:48] <f_newton> gmail is being screwy today folks [06:48] <dvsoftware> acid2, i did [06:48] <f_newton> its a server side problem [06:48] <f_newton> I have gmail working in both evo and thunderbird myself [06:49] <dvsoftware> i'm using kmail personally [06:49] <f_newton> acid2, are you having problems with gmail? [06:49] <f_newton> gmail is not a pop3 reader [06:49] <dArtagnan> where is superkaramba installed by default? I can't find it [06:49] <Echelon-H> is there a command to see all my open ports? [06:49] <melio> acid2 yes [06:50] <melio> f_newton gmail does too have pop3 [06:50] <acid2> f_newton: ermm no.. Just last time I tried with evo, gmail didnt work [06:50] <luminerd> WTF?!!?!?! You can't go to terminals in Ubuntu?! [06:50] <acid2> and gmail does support pop [06:50] <acid2> luminerd: WTF?!?! YES YOU CAN?!??! WT?F?!?! [06:50] <dArtagnan> oh course you can luminerd [06:50] <dArtagnan> of [06:50] <melio> lol [06:50] <f_newton> its not a reader its a server service [06:50] <dArtagnan> looooook [06:51] <dArtagnan> and you do that with your eyes ;) [06:51] <melio> f_newton oh I thought you were stating it's not pop3 compliant [06:51] <f_newton> Ive been using gmail with evo since gmail came out [06:51] <melio> which it is [06:51] <eurux> boot from a usb disk: [06:51] <eurux> pivot_root: No such file or directory [06:51] <eurux> /sbin/init: 428: cannot open /dev/console: no such file [06:51] <eurux> kernel_panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
 elevator: using anticipatory as default io scheduler [06:51] <melio> yeah. it's kinda laggy tho [06:51] <f_newton> yes melio [06:51] <melio> I doubt it's ubuntu tho. it's probably just the internet [06:51] <Chris> test [06:51] <f_newton> right now gmail is going thru some... pains [06:51] <melio> heh [06:52] <melio> yeah all the microsoft employees that can't work there [06:52] <melio> lol [06:52] <melio> DENIED! [06:52] <melio> you can't even quit microsoft to work for google. how crappy [06:52] <f_newton> how is that? [06:52] <melio> you didnt read the news? [06:52] <f_newton> they wont hire ms ex employees? [06:52] <f_newton> no [06:52] <f_newton> I dont read the news lol [06:52] <f_newton> oh thats not true [06:52] <melio> MS won a settlement in court that denys employees of microsoft the RIGHT to work at google when they quit [06:52] <f_newton> I read the news all the time [06:53] <melio> they even sued a guy for trying to work there [06:53] <incomplete> luminerd, if with "terminals" you mean gettys it's indeed possible via C-M-F1 C-M-F2 C-M-Fn (if you're not used to Emacs style key binding notation C stand for CTRL and M for meta (ALT)) [06:53] <melio> and won! [06:53] <f_newton> melio that is a proprietary property law and can only last up to two years [06:53] <acid2> hmmm, gmail works in evo now [06:53] <acid2> must've been a bad day when I tried [06:53] <acid2> :P [06:53] <f_newton> that is the same almost everywhere [06:53] <Dr_Fate> is there anyway for nautilus to remember its size and column sizes? [06:53] <f_newton> acid2 wow really? [06:53] <melio> f_newton, yeah but google doesnt develop OS's [06:53] <melio> or ms office [06:53] <melio> or anything except a search engine and some mail stuff and browser hooks [06:53] <skalpel> how can i add a delay to programs that startup with gnome? [06:53] <Dr_Fate> why would'nt this be a natural feature? [06:54] <melio> I say microsoft is playing unfair [06:54] <f_newton> dr fate not in a stock gnome but in a customized gnome yes [06:54] <Dr_Fate> f_newton, expound [06:54] <melio> going to work. later [06:55] <f_newton> gnome is made for a wide variety of os applications and is very generic... it is highly developed and tailored for the rh environment... as far as others well that will take time [06:55] <f_newton> rh has spent 10 yrs customizing it [06:55] <windex> melio, that's not what happened. i used to live in washington, and employment contracts are very standard practice in IT. the guy lived in washington at the time the agreement was made, and signed it signifying that he would NOT take a competitive job for up to 1 year after _willfully leaving_ microsoft. had they fired him, diffrent story. [06:55] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to add a delay to programs that startup with gnome? [06:55] <srodal> what is the GLCore module and why is it off by default? [06:55] <f_newton> skalpel sure get a 486 [06:55] <skalpel> ha [06:55] <luminerd> goddammit [06:55] <skalpel> i had a 386 [06:55] <Dr_Fate> f_newton, basically, how can I customize my Nautilus to do so [06:55] <luminerd> my mouse works on EVERY DISTRO BESIDES UBUNTU!!!! :( [06:55] <f_newton> luminerd, no need to be offensive [06:55] <skalpel> it is gone now forever [06:56] <windex> skalpel, wuss. i had a 8086. it was made by Olivetti! [06:56] <Sammi_> Is there a source for printer drivers which will run on Linux? [06:56] <skalpel> i had an 8086 too. wuss. it was a blue chip. [06:56] <f_newton> Dr_Fate, learn to write some scripts [06:56] <Echelon-H> is there a way to map all my open ports? [06:56] <skalpel> whatever that is. [06:56] <f_newton> luminerd, that is very strange [06:57] <wims> how do i mount my ntfs partition so that all users can access it [06:57] <f_newton> and you are talking a standard ps2 mouse arent you? [06:57] <acid2> wims: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions [06:57] <simplydazed> wims: add the users to a group, then add that GID to the mount in fstab [06:58] <Sammi_> I need to hook up my computer to a hp LaserJet 6L and all the drivers on the hp site are for Windows, pretty much. [06:58] <luminerd> :( [06:58] <wims> thanks [06:58] <luminerd> brb [06:58] <f_newton> Sammi_, use the drivers built into ubuntu [06:58] <linuxx> hello all [06:58] <dvsoftware> Sammi_, set up cups [06:59] <f_newton> the 6L is a pretty standard driver [06:59] <linuxx> anybody know how we can open the consol in ubuntu plz ? [06:59] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to add a delay to programs that startup with gnome? [06:59] <Despeeh> terminal [06:59] <f_newton> right click on the desktop choose terminal [06:59] <Hoxzer> how I can shutdown freezed screen window? [06:59] <f_newton> or use the dropdown menu [06:59] <Hoxzer> *can I [06:59] <f_newton> what is it y'all kill -9? [06:59] <linuxx> ok thanks [06:59] <dvsoftware> skalpel, you're annoying [06:59] <linuxx> bye [07:00] <Despeeh> its kill for sure [07:00] <Despeeh> the process [07:00] <Hoxzer> I dont wanna kill whole screen [07:00] <Hoxzer> only one window [07:00] <dvsoftware> oh sh!t [07:01] <skalpel> dvsoftware: sorry. i am being patient. [07:01] <dvsoftware> how much mb's i need to download [07:01] <dvsoftware> to setup chroot [07:01] <dvsoftware> ? [07:01] <Sammi_> dvsoftware: How do I go about doing this setting up of cups? [07:01] <rob_p> skalpel: What are you trying to accomplish? You can assign priority to the various services that start upon boot if that's what you're after... [07:01] <dvsoftware> Sammi_, i can't really help you cuz i don't have a printer [07:02] <skalpel> rob_p: well it is xchat i am trying to get to wait until my background loads because it will not do transparency otherwise and i get a black background in xchat and an error message [07:02] <skalpel> rob_p: how do i assign prioroity? [07:02] <dvsoftware> skalpel, somebody already answered to your question [07:02] <dvsoftware> learn to write some scripts [07:02] <rob_p> skalpel: man update-rc.d [07:03] <skalpel> rob_p: thank you [07:03] <dvsoftware> hm [07:03] <dvsoftware> simply don't put xchat in startup [07:03] <dvsoftware> and start it manualy [07:04] <skalpel> but that is not what i want. linux is about doing what the user wants right? this is how i learn to use linux, by trial and error and asking questions in the support channel =) [07:05] <skalpel> rob_p: i am not familiar with scripting, how would i use that? [07:05] <gregg_> sh -c 'sleep 10; xchat' [07:05] <gregg_> skalpel: ugly hack :) [07:05] <skalpel> could i add that to my gnome session as a startup command? [07:06] <gregg_> yeah [07:06] <skalpel> or do i need to add that to update-rc.d [07:06] <skalpel> ? [07:06] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/.openoffice$ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst [07:06] <bluefoxicy> # menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8) [07:06] <bluefoxicy> uhhhhhhh [07:06] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/.openoffice$ sudo chmod o-r /boot/grub/menu.lst [07:06] <gregg_> gnu info is 3v1l [07:07] <rob_p> skalpel: It's actually pretty easy but far too much to discuss here in chat... My suggestion is to learn a little bit about scripting, write a few scripts, and build on that. There are many howtos and examples on the 'Net. Bash shell scripting is very powerful and fairly easy to learn. [07:07] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/.openoffice$ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst [07:07] <bluefoxicy> cat: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Permission denied [07:07] <bluefoxicy> there we go. [07:07] <kemik> skalpel: you wanna start xchat when X starts? [07:08] <skalpel> kemik: yes, but only after the background loads on my desktop [07:08] <skalpel> rob_p: i will probably do that, thank you [07:08] <kemik> skalpel: just have the xchat window up when you logoff and mark the box "save desktop" [07:08] <kemik> skalpel: hmm.. k [07:09] <skalpel> kemik: any ideas? [07:10] <kemik> skalpel: just what i said, save current desktop [07:10] <mbirkis> hi all... i was wondering what wm i could use?? i wan't a _really_ lightweight one... [07:10] <kemik> mbirkis: icewm [07:11] <kemik> mbirkis: or maybe xfce4, but its a bit heavier [07:11] <mbirkis> kemik, icewm... thnx alot, will check it out [07:11] <skalpel> kemik: i have done that, but xchat still gets an error when trying to startup with transparency, it tells me my window manager canot handle it and i have to turn it on manually, which is annoying [07:11] <f_newton> lordy gmail is messed up today [07:11] <kemik> skalpel: oh. well i dont use transparency... :) [07:13] <Sammi_> dvsoftware: I looked in the Ubuntu wiki for CUPS and all it showed me was stuff about cups-pdf. Could you direct me to somewhere with more information? [07:13] <bigfoot1> i want to sync my Palm OS pda to my ubuntu computer in such a way that the information can then be synced from ubuntu pc to another pda of mine, a Pocket PC. What do you guys recommend? [07:14] <tim> I get a sound delay when playing DVD's in totem, any ideas? [07:15] <bigfoot1> i've tried to sync my palm os pda (Visor Pro) to evolution. it seems only my address/contacts are syncing. Even after 10 minutes, my PalmOS pda says that it is synchronizing the Date book. [07:15] <kemik> tim: try videola [07:15] <kemik> tim: try videolan [07:15] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, [07:15] <Goodspeed_> why does every single media player say my soundcard is in use? [07:15] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, yes? [07:16] <bigfoot1> i'm all ears, Chinstrap [07:16] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, possibly one of the other plugins is crashing. Try disabling all of the sync plugins, then enabling and syncing with them one at a time [07:16] <kemik> Goodspeed_: perhaps the soundserver is funky, or your card isin use by the browser or something ? [07:16] <tim> kemik, is it available in universe? [07:17] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, okay. but even with the address plugin: it works. but the categories are not preserved. is this to be taken as normal? [07:17] <kemik> tim: no, you need to add the videolan repository [07:17] <tim> alright thx [07:17] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, my categories are preserved, but I don't have any custom ones, so that might be it [07:17] <dArtagnan> Any idea where superkaramba installs to? I can't find the executable file [07:18] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i don't understand. right now, i'm talking about syncing a palm os pda with evolution. [07:18] <kemik> tim: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/928 <-- those [07:18] <dvsoftware> how to install 32bit compatibility on nvidia 64bit driver? [07:18] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, right, but that uses the generic gnome sync options, so go into the gnome pda prefs and disable all of the conduits, then enable and sync with them one at a time [07:18] <tim> kemik, is it safe to use sarge repos on ubuntu? [07:19] <kemik> tim: those are only for videolan [07:19] <tim> alright cool [07:19] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, and where do i go to access these snyc options? in evolution? [07:20] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, are you running gnome? [07:20] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, yes. [07:20] <Chinstrap> System menu->Preferences->Palm OS Devices [07:20] <selinium> Bye all, thanks to all those that have helped today! [07:20] <dr_willis> hmm. anyone been haveing some 'issues' with vncserver and the tightvncserver under the 64bit disrto? [07:21] <dr_willis> they dont seem to want to startup the x server, [07:22] <dvsoftware> dr_willis, i'm having another issue [07:22] <dvsoftware> maybe you know how to fix that [07:22] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, for some reason, Palm OS devices won't open up. [07:22] <tim> kemik, syanptic gives me these erros when I add those repos [07:22] <tim> http://pastebin.ca/19205 [07:22] <dvsoftware> since i see that you re running 64bit [07:22] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, oh, now it does. [07:23] <dvsoftware> you are using nvidia? [07:23] <dr_willis> dvsoftware, nope - this laptop is an ati x200 [07:23] <dr_willis> and thats not supported either :P lol [07:23] <dvsoftware> :( [07:23] <deprave_> whuchu talkin about willis [07:24] <dr_willis> but ive been having a lot of OTHER little issues with 64bit and other programs [07:24] <amonkey> i ran the updater and firefox1.06 tried to update and failed with E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox and now firefox won't start [07:24] <dvsoftware> i'm having problems with 32bit compatibility in nvidia driver [07:24] <kemik> tim: i can access that paste :( but try "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install vlc" [07:24] <dvsoftware> i can't run any 3d game in cedega [07:24] <dr_willis> like the smb4k program - it says first it needs the smbmnt setuid.. so i set it.. then it rants about somthing else that is not supposed to be suid. [07:24] <dr_willis> dvsoftware, cedega is one reason i have the 32 bit disrto on my main machine. :P [07:25] <skalpel> how can i pass a shell script to ubuntu as a command? [07:25] <master_of_puppet> hi, why is mencoder on gentoo 4x faster than on ubuntu? (build from source) [07:25] <dvsoftware> dr_willis, i will setup chroot now [07:25] <dvsoftware> i hope it will work better [07:25] <Funraiser> Is there an app to check CPU temp and fan speed? [07:25] <dr_willis> dvsoftware, i read that atuff and decided to not mess with it lol [07:25] <dr_willis> Funraiser, 'lm_sensors' can [07:25] <Funraiser> is it a gdesklet ? [07:25] <dr_willis> skalpel, rephrase that perhaps.. [07:25] <dvsoftware> master_of_puppet, build mencoder from source on ubuntu too [07:26] <dr_willis> Funraiser, no. :P its the core sensor package. [07:26] <dvsoftware> Funraiser, yes, lmsensors [07:26] <master_of_puppet> dvsoftware: I did that!!!! but it didn't help! [07:26] <skalpel> dr_willis: well in my gnome sessions menu it gives me the option to execute a command on startup, how can i execute a shell scipt there? [07:26] <drcode> hi all [07:26] <skalpel> hi drcode. [07:27] <dvsoftware> master_of_puppet, did you installed optimized kernel for your cpu? [07:27] <drcode> I try to use vgetty to recive voice / fax [07:27] <drcode> when I try to use voice it work , but not recive fax any idea? [07:27] <master_of_puppet> dvsoftware: I build the kernel also my selfe. [07:28] <Echelon-H> can anyone please help me configure a pppoe modem? I am under router now and I need something i can look into OFFLINE [07:28] <dvsoftware> master_of_puppet, hmmmz [07:28] <zAo^> how can I get Totem in my Empiphany in stead of Mplayer (Breezy)? Thanks [07:28] <skalpel> how do i end a vi session? [07:28] <Funraiser> my CPU fan is at 6000 + even at startup, is this normal? [07:28] <Chinstrap> skalpel, end and save or end and just quit? [07:28] <zAo^> skalpel, press ESC, :wq [07:28] <skalpel> just quit [07:28] <skalpel> k [07:29] <zAo^> skalpel, no [07:29] <equex> anyone tried the deFx plugin for XMMS ? mine crashes (and starts playing 2x speed) when i skip to a new song..then the plugin needs to be reinstalled again. [07:29] <Chinstrap> skalpel, :wq will save, :q! will just quit [07:29] <zAo^> skalpel, thats write-quit :# [07:29] <skalpel> ok [07:29] <zAo^> ;) [07:29] <Chinstrap> skalpel, shift-ZZ will also write and quit [07:29] <D1> does anyone know the status of NetworkManager in breezy? [07:30] <Sammi_> dvsoftware: Do you have any idea where I might find information about CUPS? [07:30] <Chinstrap> Sammi_, http://localhost:631 (assuming cups is running) [07:30] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i have disable everything except for ECalendar. I hit the HotSnyc Button on my PDA's cradle. My PDA says "Synchronizing Date Book" but evolution doesn't show any entries in the calendar view. It's been going on for 2 minutes now. [07:31] <skalpel> can anyone tell me how to pass a shell script to the gnome session startup as a command? [07:31] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, something is obviously crashing. Debugging problems with gpilotd is always a hassle. You can trying killing gpilotd and running it from a terminal and then syncing so you can watch the messages go by [07:31] <Funraiser> dr_willis, dvsoftware thanks [07:32] <Chinstrap> skalpel, just like you would pass any other command to gnome-session. Just make sure the shell script is executable [07:32] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i have heard of aprogram called multisnyc. will multisync help ? [07:32] <dvsoftware> Sammi_, no sorry [07:32] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, not for syncing evo. Evo only talks to gpilot [07:33] <Sonderblade> how do you set which programs that should start when xorg starts? [07:33] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i don't care how i sync my palmOS pda. Actually, i'm very happy with J-Pilot, but I don't think i can make the J-Pilot info readable for migration into a pocket pc, can i? [07:33] <bigfoot1> 8-) [07:34] <skalpel> chinstrap: ok, thank you [07:34] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, if you just want to pull all your data use pilot-sync [07:34] <zAo^> Sonderblade, in GDM you can [07:34] <zAo^> Sonderblade, sudo gdmsetup [07:34] <bigfoot1> pull? meaning pull from palm os pda to desktop pc? if so, will this data be readable for migration to a pocket pc (windows os pda)? [07:35] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, I doubt it. [07:35] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, so that's my problem, you see. i want to transfer my data from palm to pocket pc. [07:35] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, good luck [07:35] <ulaas> DO NOT USE BREEZY YET - X is still broken [07:35] <Sonderblade> zAo^, i want to add xcompmgr but there is no option in gdmsetup to add programs [07:36] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i thought using evolution as a bridge would be the solution. [07:36] <ulaas> not neccesarily..... [07:36] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, in theory it would, but I don't know anything about syncing pocketpc devices. Will evo even talk to those? [07:36] <zAo^> Sonderblade, sorry, though you ment which DE :). Yust go to Menu > System > Prefs > sessions > last tab [07:36] <ulaas> cd /usr/X11R6/bin [07:36] <ulaas> mv X X_fixmelater [07:36] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, oh you mean evo is meant for palm os? [07:37] <ulaas> ln -s Xorg X [07:37] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, evo talks to gpilotd, as far as I know, gpilotd only talks to palmos [07:37] <Spudchat> what mail accounts can evolution take care of? [07:37] <Chinstrap> Spudchat, anything [07:37] <Sonderblade> zAo^, thanks [07:38] <heien> hi all [07:38] <Spudchat> allrighty then idiocracy on the operator's part :) [07:38] <ulaas> i think the topic must change. Who will test and report bugs? [07:38] <Chinstrap> Spudchat, imap, pop, groupwise, exchange, whatever [07:38] <Spudchat> thats not just for a mail server i run correct? [07:38] <Chinstrap> correct [07:38] <heien> what is the name of desktop thing that works like samurize? gdi... someting? [07:38] <Spudchat> it can import my mail like outlook and thunderbird [07:38] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, okay, in that case, my trying to sncy with evo is pointless. there must be a way to migrate from palm to pocketpc via linux. hmmmm. i wonder what i should do. [07:38] <heien> for gnome [07:38] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, http://www.google.com/linux [07:39] <Chinstrap> heien, what's samurize? [07:39] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, thanks for your help. [07:39] <Spudchat> allright thanks m8 [07:39] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, sorry I couldn't give you a solution [07:39] <heien> Chinstrap, a program adding weather info, and info about allmost everything to the desktop [07:39] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, do you have a pocketpc? [07:39] <Chinstrap> heien, gdesklets [07:39] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, no, just palm [07:40] <Chinstrap> bigfoot1, MS products aren't allowed in my house [07:40] <heien> Chinstrap, thx your the best :D [07:40] <bigfoot1> Chinstrap, i see. [07:40] <bigfoot1> this microsoft pda is allowed in my house. how can i refuse? it's free from dad. [07:41] <Sammi_> Chinstrap: I tried to add a printer through CUPS and then it asked me for the username and password. I entered the log in name and admin password for my system, but it just asked me again. [07:41] <icewt> Chinstrap, pity. Xbox with xboxlinux is great ;) [07:41] <Chinstrap> Sammi_, it actually wants the root password, not sure how ubuntu handles that [07:42] <Chinstrap> icewt, yeah, and my ps2 with ps2linux is great too :) [07:43] <Frafra> hi all [07:44] <Frafra> how i must uninstall a package? [the package isn't installed correctly] [07:44] <Chinstrap> Frafra, dpkg --purge <pkg-name> [07:44] <Blackhold> enas [07:45] <Blackhold> hello [07:45] <Blackhold> I've a compaq presario 2500 (a laptop with a p4 procesator) [07:45] <Blackhold> with a modem conexant 56k aclink [07:45] <Frafra> it says that i should reinstall it, but i haven't the package [07:45] <Blackhold> how I have to connect the modem to internet with ubuntu? [07:46] <Chinstrap> Blackhold, sudo pppconfig [07:46] <Blackhold> and then will appear a modem configuration? [07:46] <Chinstrap> Blackhold, yes [07:47] <Chinstrap> Frafra, apt-get install <pkg-name> [07:47] <LowBit> blackhold: aclink? [07:47] <crashd> sudo apt-get install ;) [07:47] <Blackhold> _ [07:48] <Frafra> Chinstrap: i haven't it, i want only uninstall it [07:48] <Blackhold> isn't the sudo installed in ubuntu? [07:48] <Chinstrap> Frafra, "sudo dpkg --purge package" [07:48] <Blackhold> I have installed a ubuntu cd [07:49] <Frafra> Chinstrap: i've do it, but it doesn't work. it says that i should reinstall it, but i haven't it [07:49] <Blackhold> that that comes with a live cd [07:49] <LowBit> blackhold: aclink? [07:49] <Blackhold> and don't questioned me for the root password :S [07:49] <Blackhold> LowBit, yes [07:49] <Chinstrap> Frafra, you aren't making sense. What package are you trying to remove? [07:49] <LowBit> blackhold: what is aclink? [07:50] <Blackhold> LowBit, a 56k modem [07:50] <LowBit> oh [07:50] <Blackhold> yes here still exists it [07:50] <LowBit> you are looking for support for it? [07:50] <LowBit> is it a linmodem? [07:50] <cookin__> isn't there a python-popt package for ubuntu? [07:50] <LowBit> *winmodem [07:51] <Blackhold> I don't don't if is it a winmodem [07:51] <LowBit> bah [07:51] <dr_willis> Hmm.. whats a program that will tell me what res my X is running at right now? xvidtune dont want to tell me. [07:51] <D1> god, did I ever mention how much I love ubuntu? [07:51] <LowBit> hang on [07:51] <D1> its like heaven! [07:51] <LowBit> i'll try and find you some help blackhold [07:51] <D1> haven't had this much fun on a linux distro since slackware. [07:51] <dr_willis> I think i got the wide screen set up right. but the circles in qcad still seem swuashed [07:51] <Frafra> Chinstrap: it's a package .rpm that i've converted (with alien) in a deb [07:51] <Blackhold> LokeDK, thanks [07:52] <balistic2> is it possible to install ubuntu [07:52] <balistic2> through a network install [07:52] <Chinstrap> dr_willis, xdpyinfo | grep dimensions [07:52] <zAo^> balistic2, by jumpstarting? [07:52] <LowBit> blackhold: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=connexant+hsf+56k+winmodem+linux+drivers&btnG=Search&meta= [07:52] <dr_willis> Chinstrap, aha. [07:52] <balistic2> i want to install ubuntu on my pcg c1xs vaio.. the only thing is it doesnt have a cd rom drive... right now its not running anything.. [07:52] <Chinstrap> Frafra, dpkg -l | grep <part of package name> will give you the exact name to use to pass to dpkg --purge [07:52] <balistic2> zao^, whats jumpstarting [07:53] <dr_willis> drat - its still useing 1024x768 [07:53] <D1> balistic2, it is possible I believe. [07:53] <D1> I think there is a net install for ubuntu [07:53] <zAo^> balistic2, sorry, thought that you want to install 10+ machines. Actually I dont know [07:53] <Chinstrap> dr_willis, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, that will tell you why it won't use a higher resolution (bad dotclock or somethign most likely) [07:54] <Frafra> Chinstrap: thanks! [07:54] <balistic2> zao^, its just one computer that doesnt have a cdrom drive [07:54] <Frafra> no [07:54] <Frafra> it doesn't work :( [07:54] <D1> http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71 [07:54] <balistic2> Ineed to find a way to install ubuntu with out a cd rom [07:55] <D1> balistic2, try http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71 [07:55] <D1> maybe that'll help [07:55] <alex____> hello, I have just merged onto ubuntu and I have some monitor resolution problem, I was looking for XF86Config-4 under /etc/X11 but its not there anylonger, any clue ? [07:55] <D1> but I was wrong, no official net install I think. [07:56] <dArtagnan> Where can I find the SuperKaramba excecutable? [07:56] <D1> alex____, /etc/X11/xorg.conf? [07:56] <balistic2> d1, so is it possible [07:56] <D1> looks like it, but with a little work. [07:57] <balistic2> d1, can you prompt me im a litlte bit of a newb [07:57] <balistic2> and i really wanna make this work [07:57] <D1> just read that article [07:57] <D1> I never tried it. [07:57] <balistic2> d1, ok [07:57] <Frafra> Chinstrap: it doesn't work :( [07:58] <D1> another link if it helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29555.html [07:58] <D1> I'd just try to borrow a cdrom [07:58] <D1> seems like the easiest way [07:59] <zkruw> can someone help me with this dpkg-divert problem? http://code.tzoom.se/default.asp?c=462 [07:59] <balistic2> d1, i cant find someone with an external cd rom drive [07:59] <balistic2> d1, it doesnt seem too complicated [08:00] <catolh> Can anyone help me get my TV as a primary screen? [08:00] <D1> well, goodluck. [08:00] <andril> hello all [08:00] <andril> anyone use Inkscape? [08:00] <D1> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/talkback/1113587843 [08:00] <D1> theres another alternative. [08:00] <andril> i need help with sizing wallpapers in Inkscape [08:01] <D1> did you guys hear about OpenSuse? [08:01] <D1> its sort of modeled like fedora [08:01] <ed1t> i heard about ClosedSuse [08:01] <D1> community based project [08:02] <balistic2> d1, im having some trouble [08:02] <dimitris> D1, yes i read it today! Great! [08:02] <Razor-X`> odd.... [08:02] <D1> yeah, I can't wait to see what they develop. [08:02] <D1> maybe it'll be as cutting edge as fedora [08:02] <D1> balistic2, whats wrong? [08:03] <ed1t> fedora == sucks [08:03] <LowBit> fedora is alright [08:03] <balistic2> d1, i dont understand the articles to well.. which one do you think i should follow [08:03] <linukso> D1: then I cant see where ClosedSuse will find its place in the world, stuck between novel and opensuse [08:04] <D1> rty this one I guess: http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71 [08:04] <D1> try* [08:04] <Razor-X> weird.... [08:04] <D1> you'll need a /boot partition though [08:04] <mpmc> :) [08:04] <balistic2> how do i make one? [08:05] <balistic2> d1, i was thinking of installing debian [08:05] <balistic2> then working from there [08:05] <D1> oh ok. [08:05] <cafecalva> help [08:05] <cafecalva> # help [08:05] <balistic2> d1, do you concur? [08:05] <D1> sure. [08:05] <D1> whatever works for you dude. [08:05] <D1> or rather, whatever gets the job done. [08:05] <balistic2> d1, im still a newb with linux [08:06] <D1> well, you live and learn. [08:06] <balistic2> d1, so do you know any wiki's, howtos, or anything in lamens terms on how to install debian [08:06] <balistic2> using floppy or net install [08:06] <Kyral> balistic2, whatever you do DON'T DO A SUDO RM -RF / [08:06] <D1> not off hand though. I'm sure theres a howto at the debian site. [08:06] <Razor-X> balistic2: that's a pretty simple one right there [08:06] <Razor-X> the Ubuntu one [08:07] <Sputn1k> after nvidia driver installiation everything works, but after pc restart x's don't work, where is the problem?... [08:07] <balistic2> Razor-x, i dont understand.. [08:07] <Kyral> balistic2, why not use Ubuntu? [08:07] <Razor-X> balistic2: what don't you understand? [08:07] <balistic2> I dont have a cdrom drive [08:07] <Kyral> ah [08:07] <Kyral> they make computers without CD Drives still?! [08:07] <sidnei_> is there any known breakage going on on breezy? i've got a nightly iso yesterday and gnome wont start [08:07] <balistic2> I have a sony vaio pcg c1xs with out a cd rom drive [08:07] <balistic2> its an external one [08:07] <Sputn1k> help me please.... :/// [08:08] <balistic2> i only have the floppy extension [08:08] <Kyral> sidnei_, look at the topic :P [08:08] <Razor-X> balistic2: what don't you understand about that guide? [08:08] <balistic2> Razor-x, which guide lol [08:08] <sidnei_> lol :) [08:08] <D1> balistic2, just follow the links from the article, it'll show you. [08:08] <Kyral> Razor-X, he needs to do a Floppy Install [08:08] <sidnei_> funny it wasn't broken 3 days ago :) [08:08] <D1> Once that's done, change your sources and you've got ubuntu. [08:08] <Kyral> Sputn1k, are you using Breezy by anychance? [08:08] <holycow> hey guys so is there any consensus on the least evil / most open chipset? [08:08] <D1> seems easy enough [08:08] <D1> install debian base, then change your apt sources and upgrade. [08:08] <Sputn1k> Kyral: Horay [08:09] <balistic2> ok.. [08:09] <balistic2> D1, i understand that [08:09] <balistic2> but i have no idea how to install debian using floppys [08:09] <balistic2> is tehre a script i need to right [08:09] <balistic2> *write [08:09] <D1> http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst [08:09] <balistic2> i need someone to just give me al ist of instructions its like i suck at this [08:09] <Razor-X> balistic2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies [08:09] <D1> http://linux.simple.be/debian/floppy [08:10] <Razor-X> balistic2: that guide should be simple enough, if you have any questions, just ask [08:10] <D1> Razor-X, wheres the index of the wiki? [08:10] <balistic2> Razor X i appreciate it [08:11] <Razor-X> D1: the top page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com [08:11] <D1> oh duh, thanks. [08:11] <Razor-X> ;) [08:11] <balistic2> and thank d1, [08:11] <D1> sure. [08:11] <MANOWAR^> Ok i am attempting to get Active Directory+Kerberos+PAM working on a box over here [08:11] <balistic2> sorry my gf imed me and i was side tracked [08:11] <MANOWAR^> AD+kerberos is working [08:11] <balistic2> but d1, thanks [08:11] <MANOWAR^> however i cannot get PAM configured [08:12] <D1> no problem. [08:12] <MANOWAR^> i have tried 10 different config files [08:12] <Razor-X> i've never worked with Kerberos myself, so, :\ [08:12] <MANOWAR^> non of them seem to even acknowledge the existance of kerberos... [08:12] <MANOWAR^> well thats not the problematic part [08:12] <MANOWAR^> its the PAM part [08:13] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: did you compile Kerberos? [08:13] <MANOWAR^> from the command line I can use kerberos to authenticate to Active Directory [08:13] <MANOWAR^> Razor-X, yes [08:13] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: you did ``make install'' right? [08:13] <KamiVIP> hi ho:) [08:13] <MANOWAR^> Razor-X, ok... let me try this again. the Kerberos part is working [08:13] <MANOWAR^> its the PAM part that it is not [08:14] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: but for the other apps to see Kerberos, you want to make install [08:14] <cafecalva> what is please the unix command for copying a file ? (is there a more appropriate unix beginners chanel ?) [08:14] <Razor-X> it's also easier to refer to Kerberos that way [08:14] <Razor-X> cafecalva: ``cp'' [08:14] <Razor-X> ``cp <file> <destination>'' [08:14] <MANOWAR^> Razor-X, yes kerberos is installed and functuioning [08:15] <MANOWAR^> and it is there [08:15] <KamiVIP> i was here yesterday already. today i have similar problem (again) :) my sources.list wasnt k yesterday but then i fixed it. im using this soucres.list now: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907. when i try to install build-essential i get this message: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/930 [08:15] <cafecalva> thanks, i am trying to add JRE to my PPC/Ubuntu [08:15] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: I'm just asking if you ``make install''ed (for better reference to the problem) [08:15] <MANOWAR^> ok yes i have [08:16] <MANOWAR^> kerberos is there pam_krb5.so is where it should be [08:16] <mastertet> Is it normal that my Gnome desktop is not very responsive? Often, there is a delay after I press a menu item, the worse cases are in openoffice, but it happens with Gnome menu as well ( have a centrino 1.3 GhZ, 256 RAM) [08:16] <MANOWAR^> i am however unable to tell PAM to use pam_krb5 to do the authentication no matter what i do... [08:16] <balistic2> razor-x, the floppy images they told me to install arent on there [08:16] <balistic2> dead links [08:16] <ompaul> KamiVIP, which version of ubuntu are you using? [08:17] <crashd> hmm [08:17] <KamiVIP> ompaul, Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" [08:17] <crashd> if i do a `iwlist eth1 scan` and it throws up 'failed to read scan data' [08:17] <crashd> what is it telling me ;) [08:17] <Razor-X> MANOWAR^: hmmmm [08:18] <Razor-X> balistic2: there are other Debian boot floppy links [08:18] <ompaul> KamiVIP, how are you phrasing the command to install build_essential [08:18] <Razor-X> I suggest trying the Knoppix method, personally [08:18] <KamiVIP> ompaul, sudo apt-get install build-essential [08:18] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: ``sudo apt-get install build-essentials'' [08:19] <Pegasos989> It seems like that highlighting large areas of desktop (by dragging the cursor to make the box thingie) starts lagging significantly if you put complicated background. Why? Because the box is like partly transparent? I mean... If I change the settings of the box, will it be fast again, or do I need to change background to some simple again. :S [08:19] <ompaul> KamiVIP, so first do apt-get update then try again [08:19] <kemik> Pegasos989: cool, does that for me too.. hadnt noticed before =) [08:20] <KamiVIP> ompaul, i tried that i get same message [08:20] <KamiVIP> ompaul, i get same message aswel if it ry to install g++ [08:20] <ompaul> KamiVIP, hmm [08:21] <skalpel> how do i make an executable file non executable? [08:21] <KamiVIP> chmod +x [08:21] <skalpel> k [08:22] <KamiVIP> ompaul, i don't have problems with other packages its strange [08:22] <balistic2> Razor-X, i forgot to mention something [08:22] <skalpel> kamivp: i thought that was to make a file executable? [08:22] <balistic2> Razor-x, im not running a linux.. im runninga windows.. [08:22] <KamiVIP> oh sorry [08:22] <KamiVIP> didnt read whore line:)) [08:22] <ompaul> KamiVIP, there is one option left that I know of and I am loath to suggest it - check the help file to understand its implications - apt-get -f install build-essential [08:22] <Iceman-AMD64> Question what Distros currently support 64 bit .. I know Ubuntu .. SUSE... What otehrs [08:23] <apokryphos> Iceman-AMD64: all others, generally, I believe; they just won't necessarily have great support for them. [08:23] <crashd> gentoo [08:23] <KamiVIP> ompaul, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. [08:24] <Iceman-AMD64> Gentoo sucks for instaling ... for a newbie .. "ME" [08:24] <KamiVIP> ompaul, so it looks like there are no corrupted packages [08:24] <ompaul> KamiVIP, I have no other suggestions at this time, sorry I could not be of more help [08:25] <ompaul> KamiVIP, you could try a different repository [08:25] <KamiVIP> k np [08:25] <ompaul> KamiVIP, I have no good reason for suggesting this other than doing nothing seems like a wasted opportunity [08:25] <crashd> bloody wifi ! [08:26] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world. [08:26] <ompaul> KamiVIP, biab [08:26] <Kyral> Building a theme around a wallpaper is a PAIN [08:26] <skalpel> is there an app for ubuntu to unrar files using a gui? [08:26] <CungYen_Bakpao> Does anyone know this? How can Times New Roman Be Shown in the 1st place but when i search it trough dropdown Fonts select it doesn't show? [08:27] <EnsignRedshirt> Another bit of Firefox strangeness. The first time I try to open a new tab, nothing happens. After that, it works fine. Does this happen to anyone else? [08:27] <CungYen_Bakpao> Does anyone know this? How can Times New Roman Be Shown in the 1st place but when i search it trough dropdown Fonts select it doesn't show? [08:27] <CungYen_Bakpao> it is Abiword i'm talking about [08:27] <gregburd> I'm unable to swap out the caps-lock and ctrl keys using the Keyboard preferences panel. I'm sure I'm missing something basic, help me out. [08:27] <anacron> can you guy recommend some ftp server? [08:27] <gregburd> I'm on a PowerBook [08:28] <thenuke> anacron: proftpd [08:28] <anacron> thenuke: okay, i'll try that [08:29] <jongi> anyone know about tomcat [08:29] <jongi> and servlets [08:30] <skalpel> is there an app for ubuntu to unrar files using a gui? [08:32] <gregburd> So, does anyone know how to swap out caps-lock and ctrl on a powerbook? [08:33] <balistic2> hEy [08:33] <balistic2> i just had a question [08:33] <balistic2> I Just thought of [08:33] <balistic2> You guys [08:33] <balistic2> !!! [08:33] <ubotu> from memory, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me [08:33] <anacron> thenuke: how do i configure proftp? [08:33] <balistic2> i have a 1gb mp3 player that serves as a memory stick...can i install ubuntu using that [08:34] <thenuke> anacron: how about reading the documents [08:34] <anacron> man proftp? [08:34] <balistic2> Razor-x, are you there [08:34] <thenuke> proftpd-doc is the name of the doc package regarding to apt-cache search proftpd [08:35] <anacron> okay, sorry to bother you [08:35] <jay> Anyone know why my firefox keeps randomly closing? [08:35] <KamiVIP> argh... i have problem with every package i try to install [08:35] <KamiVIP> like yesterday but i didnt touch soucres.list [08:36] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: no-one can really help without knowing the error. Pastebin is a good idea [08:36] <mbirkis> can someone here help me set up blackbox on a hoary?? [08:36] <KamiVIP> k sorry:) [08:36] <KamiVIP> yep [08:36] <glitch> hi [08:37] <anacron> mbirkis: read the topic, just ask [08:37] <KamiVIP> am apokryphos i get error while installing packages that pachage x depends on package y but package y can not be installed [08:37] <Pegasos989> anacron, I think he meant generally in the whole process [08:37] <Pegasos989> So that was kinda the question [08:37] <mbirkis> anacron, that was the question... i need help form the beginning, i am clueless ;) [08:38] <thenuke> KamiVIP: try apt-get install y . that will tell you why it cannot install the y -packege [08:38] <mbirkis> Pegasos989, thnx [08:38] <DekaPink> :'( [08:38] <anacron> mbirkis: sudo apt-get install blackbox [08:38] <DekaPink> Ubuntu doesn't love me anymore. lol [08:38] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: what package? [08:38] <anacron> mbirkis: if it did work, then just log out, change system or what's the name, anyways change to boot in blackbox, and that's it [08:38] <anacron> service it is [08:39] <EnsignRedshirt> Anybody still using warty and using the new Firefox? [08:39] <KamiVIP> wine [08:39] <mbirkis> anacron, i got it installed... i need it configured... i have been reading abit on the net, and it is missing some files afaik... [08:39] <DekaPink> My internet doesn't work on Ubuntu anymore. [08:39] <anacron> mbirkis: okay so you lied me [08:39] <KamiVIP> and those apokryphos libc6-dev g++ gcc [08:39] <deb_newbie> EnsignRedshirt: yes I do [08:39] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell KamiVIP about wine [08:40] <anacron> mbirkis: you should ask how to configure it, not how to get it work [08:40] <anacron> and you did know that right [08:40] <shivy> Hya [08:40] <mbirkis> anacron, sorry... a badly formulated questions... how to configure it was what i ment... [08:40] <DRPAS> Does anybody can help me with my ubuntu waty instalation please? [08:40] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/932 thats for last 3 [08:41] <anacron> mbirkis: well i don't know, ask someone else :D [08:41] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, and forum wine http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/933 [08:41] <KamiVIP> forum = for* [08:41] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: yeah, follow the instructions on that page. You may need to enable more repositories [08:41] <EnsignRedshirt> deb_newbie: When you start up Firefox, does File->New Tab work the first time? [08:41] <capisce> so, where can I get tuxracer? [08:41] <bwlang> DRPAS: just aska specific question... somebody may answer [08:41] <Pegasos989> DRPAS, I think that at the forums is a whole area for installation. [08:41] <DRPAS> Please somebody can help me with GRUB [08:41] <KamiVIP> am apokryphos that was my problem yesterday and some guy from here have me sources.list which i should use and it worked till now [08:42] <DRPAS> I have installed warty in my pc [08:42] <DRPAS> with amd64 [08:42] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: could you pastebin then your sources.list? [08:42] <DRPAS> the first thing is that my windows 2000 pro doesnt boot anymore [08:42] <DRPAS> i have make the windows 2000 pro partition active again [08:42] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, yes: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907 [08:42] <anacron> well isn't that just good? [08:42] <DRPAS> to gain access to windoze [08:43] <DRPAS> but when i activate again the Warty partition [08:43] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: looks fine; does sudo apt-get update produce any errors? [08:43] <DRPAS> it doesnt boot [08:43] <DRPAS> it only says GRUB [08:43] <DRPAS> and thats it [08:43] <DRPAS> what can i do? [08:43] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, nop [08:43] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, no erros on update [08:44] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: did you follow the instructions on that link for installing wine? [08:44] <bwlang> DRPAS: you don't seem to understand the meaning of specific.... you would be better served by posting the exact line that fails to boot your system [08:44] <DekaPink> I wonder why my internet would just... stop working on my ubuntu partition. :3 [08:44] <balistic2> Razor-x, are you there [08:44] <KamiVIP> yes [08:44] <balistic2> kamivip, your not razor-x [08:45] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, but i cant install any of packages listed in topic because i get same message as for wine and other packages [08:45] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: have you done sudo apt-get install build-essential? [08:45] <_SWAT_> anyone here got NFS running? Somehow it won't run here. I've installed everything as the howto described. Yet I get a "mount: RPC: Program not registered" [08:45] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, yes but i get that message again [08:46] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: which one? The errors are different. [08:46] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, like for all packages packaacge x depends on more packages which cant be installed [08:46] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/934 [08:47] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, had exactly the same error yesterday but it was fixed while i changed my soucres.list [08:47] <lonelyzora> hi [08:47] <mgbaron> hi, i have a quick question. at my workplace we are using samba to share files from our server. My desktop is running linux, is there anyway i can mount this more directly through SSH? I can use "connect to servers" through gnome, but I need them actually mounted. any advice? [08:47] <raDeon> hi [08:47] <raDeon> wtf u ant [08:47] <raDeon> want [08:47] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: weird. You must have broken packages somewhere. What happens when you try to fix broken packages from synaptic or apt? [08:48] <lonelyzora> ... [08:48] <raDeon> lol [08:48] <LasseL> mgbaron, look up smbfs [08:48] <_SWAT_> NFS just won't run. Help! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo?highlight=%28nfs%29 [08:48] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, nothing: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/935 [08:49] <pompeyrodney> can anyone help a newbie brew such as myself getting a scroll wheel to work on an intellimouse [08:50] <LasseL> mgbaron, something like this in your /etc/fstab will make a permanent mount: //enoch/data /media/enoch_data smbfs rw,credentials=/home/lasse/.smbpasswd,uid=lasse,gid=data 0 0 [08:50] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: very weird. I'm not sure if it's worth using a different mirror in your sources... you could try, if you want [08:50] <apokryphos> KamiVIP: i.e. giannaros.org/sources.list [08:51] <KamiVIP> apokryphos, yep it's weird it worked till now. gonna try different mirror now, thanks for the list [08:51] <mgbaron> lassel, i have it mounted via smbfs, but it goes slow and seems uneccesary. is there a better way? [08:51] <mgbaron> LasseL, I have it in the /etc/fstab. thanks for the advice [08:51] <mgbaron> i just goes slower than my straight ssh connection [08:51] <apokryphos> Ok, good luck [08:51] <KamiVIP> thanks [08:52] <KamiVIP> ah to bad i get same error:\ [08:52] <LasseL> mgbaron, I find that I need to remount mine now and then .. other than that it seems fast enough. Perhaps you should check the samba servers log [08:53] <LasseL> mgbaron, I do have the problem that if I loose conneciton to a single mount ALL mounts including those to other machines seems to hang until I remount [08:54] <pompeyrodney> anyone know how breezy is coming along [08:54] <KamiVIP> so anyone else have some idead, thats my problem: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/932 [08:54] <balistic2> i am the linux kking [08:54] <balistic2> hear me roar [08:55] <mgbaron> LasseL, thanks, you have basically answered my questions. i will check the log [08:56] <pestilence> KamiVIP: you using some non-standard repositories? [08:56] <pestilence> KamiVIP: like, backports? [08:57] <reisio> the best bash command ever: while(true); do for i in 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0.9 0.8 0.7 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.3 0.2 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9 1; do xgamma -gamma $i; done; done [08:57] <Draucon> how do i set xmms as the default for cd audio? [08:57] <LasseL> reisio, then you must also like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L33t_programming_language [08:57] <reisio> LasseL: heheh, or whitespace [08:57] <KamiVIP> hehe pestilence thats was my problem yesterday then i used another list which was working untill now but it isnt working anymore. today i trided this: giannaros.org/sources.list but it isnt working either [08:58] <reisio> Draucon: you have the CD icon on your desktop? [08:58] <reisio> Draucon: using GNOME? [08:58] <Draucon> yeah [08:58] <KamiVIP> pestilence, thats my list which fixed my problem yesterday and worked untill now: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907 [08:58] <Draucon> ohh just right click [08:58] <Draucon> yes gnome [08:58] <reisio> Draucon: I imagine you can just right-click, properties, open-with [08:58] <pestilence> KamiVIP: first step, comment out everything that doesn't start with an ubuntu.com address [08:59] <reisio> Draucon: and have the association stick, I forget how...stopped using GNOME [08:59] <KamiVIP> pestilence, here (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907) everythins ends with ubuntu but same problems [09:01] <pestilence> KamiVIP: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/936 [09:01] <KamiVIP> pestilence, thanks gonna try those [09:03] <KamiVIP> pestilence, i tried those and i get same messages [09:03] <pestilence> KamiVIP: about libc6? [09:04] <mbirkis> how do i run things automatically on X start?? there is no .xinitrc file as i can find... [09:05] <KamiVIP> pestilence, well yes and about other stuff too, like this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/933 and http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/934 [09:05] <difeta> Is there a vpn client out there that lets me connect to a windows vpn? [09:05] <macgyver2> mbirkis, are you using Gnome? [09:05] <mbirkis> macgyver2, nope... [09:05] <mbirkis> macgyver2, blackbox [09:06] <pestilence> KamiVIP: did you do apt-get update? [09:06] <balistic2> blackbox Sucks [09:06] <macgyver2> mbirkis, then I think you can just make a .xinitrc...have you tried that yet? [09:06] <Fanskapet> difeta openVPN [09:06] <mbirkis> macgyver2, good idea, i'll try it [09:06] <macgyver2> mbirkis, it was that way when I used to use fluxbox [09:06] <mbirkis> balistic2, thnx for that insightful info! [09:07] <KamiVIP> pestilence, yep i did [09:07] <mbirkis> macgyver2, thnx alot [09:07] <macgyver2> mbirkis, np [09:07] <pestilence> KamiVIP: what does "dpkg -l libc6" tell you about the version installed? [09:07] <Fanskapet> damn samba [09:07] <Fanskapet> something is *fucked up* with my two ubuntu installations [09:08] <Fanskapet> i wonder why the XFCE samba-browser won't work here at home but do work at my brothers place.. [09:08] <Fanskapet> hummz [09:08] <KamiVIP> pestilence, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone dat [09:08] <jay> Can someone please help me figure out why my firefox browser keeps closing unexpectedly? [09:09] <reisio> jay: stop visiting porn sites! j/k [09:09] <pestilence> KamiVIP: seems you have screwed your system up [09:09] <Belutz> anyone using Visual Paradigm ? [09:09] <reisio> jay: it doesn't do it with particular sites only? [09:09] <pestilence> KamiVIP: you have the wrong version of libc6 [09:09] <jay> dunno [09:09] <MagiPink> Well... It's been a good couple of weeks, but it looks like my Ubuntu adventure is at an end. :3 [09:09] <wdh> hi ppls.. what would be the best way to burn a *.bin to cd without the .cue available? [09:09] <reisio> jay: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=9 [09:09] <KamiVIP> pestilence, oh, so what can i do then [09:09] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: was this a Debian box before? [09:10] <jay> it does it with runescape while using java i know that [09:10] <reisio> MagiPink: why's that? [09:10] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, nop ubuntu. i installed it yesterday [09:10] <reisio> jay: ah, well Java isn't the most stable of things :p [09:10] <reisio> jay: how 'bout pages that don't use Java? [09:10] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: you said your sources.list was bad before, did you have debian sources in there? [09:10] <pestilence> KamiVIP: sudo aptitude install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 [09:10] <pestilence> KamiVIP: is the first step [09:11] <Razor-X> try sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop [09:11] <MagiPink> reisio: My internet no longer seems to work on it. :3 [09:11] <Razor-X> that should replace all your bad crap, with the correct equivalents [09:11] <reisio> MagiPink: ever consider fixing it? [09:11] <difeta> Fanskapet, thanks. Now.. how to configure.... [09:11] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, nop i had blackports then i changed to ones im using now and it worked untill now [09:11] <jay> hmmm [09:11] <macgyver2> jay, I don't know much about firefox errors...but a suggestion might be start firefox from a terminal...when it unexpectedly quits it might throw up some info that could help [09:12] <wdh> gregg_, you gave me a script to convert *.bin to *.iso.. but somehow this screwed up the video.. the .bin plays fine in mplayer, while the .iso gives a beautifull mess of colours :S [09:12] <KamiVIP> pestilence, working on this [09:12] <MagiPink> reisio: No, never. Such a strange idea never crossed my mind. :P I don't know what to do to fix it since I don't know what I might have done to break it. [09:12] <Fanskapet> difeta that i don't know at the moment since I have no real use for it before i get my DSL from that damned Telia [09:12] <reisio> MagiPink: well ask this here channel for help :) [09:12] <KamiVIP> pestilence, done [09:12] <pestilence> KamiVIP: it worked? well, you should be able to do something similar with any other package it complains about [09:12] <alex____> hey I have installed ubuntu and everything works appart form a slight problem of display [09:12] <Choudeshell> Hello all. [09:12] <alex____> my fonts are blur and I guess this is because I am using a nvidia card for which I need to download a proper driver [09:13] <alex____> I went onto the nvidia site and they ask for my kernel source [09:13] <MagiPink> I'm thinking you'll all need something more than 'my internet stopped working' xD [09:13] <alex____> to built a kernel interface for the installer [09:13] <Choudeshell> How far backed up is ShipIT? [09:13] <pestilence> if it says "i'm trying to install x version 123 but x version 234 is installed" [09:13] <alex____> I have done an apt-get installe linux-source-2.6.10 but it still asks for the kernel source [09:13] <KamiVIP> pestilence, thanks. it works now. just installing build-essential. gonna try wine now [09:13] <difeta> Fanskapet, ok.. thanks [09:13] <alex____> I am a bit stuck [09:13] <alex____> any help would be appreciated [09:13] <gregg_> wdh: uhh, that's bad [09:13] <pestilence> KamiVIP: then sudo aptitude install x=123 [09:13] <MagiPink> It said something about... pap connection failing when I did plog. [09:13] <gregg_> wdh: this only works reliable with data CDs [09:13] <Fanskapet> difeta np.. look at openvpn.org i think there was plenty of good documentation over there [09:14] <wdh> gregg_, ok, so then i should maybe figure a way to generate a .cue for this .bin [09:14] <gregg_> wdh: sorry for not telling you this :) [09:14] <KamiVIP> pestilence, k doing it [09:14] <wdh> gregg_, nm, just costs me a cdr :P [09:14] <KamiVIP> pestilence, done [09:14] <alex____> anyone ? [09:14] <icewt> alex____, linux-headers-2.6.10-(something) [09:15] <alex____> ok [09:15] <alex____> thansk [09:15] <pestilence> alex____: linux-headers-`uname -r` [09:15] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: try sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop [09:15] <wdh> gregg_, you have any ideas on how to proceed? [09:15] <Choudeshell> Does anyone know what the waiting list for the Unbuntu CDs are from ShipIt? [09:16] <Razor-X> anywhere from 1-4 weeks, IIRC [09:16] <wdh> Choudeshell, depends.. i've ordered well before hoary even was out :P [09:16] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, am i removed ubuntu-desktop package yesterday [09:16] <wdh> Choudeshell, so i'm waiting since march now.. [09:16] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: ........... why did you remove it? [09:16] <Razor-X> are you using Kubunut? [09:16] <andypassword> hello? [09:16] <Razor-X> s/Kubunut/Kubuntu/ [09:16] <gregg_> wdh: if it's an (S)VCD take a look at .cue's of other images [09:16] <Razor-X> andypassword: hey [09:17] <wdh> gregg_, thx.. i'll try and find some [09:17] <gregg_> wdh: (S)VCD images of course :) [09:17] <Fanskapet> hmm XFCE really owns KDE, nice with a slick and light GUI [09:17] <Choudeshell> wdh, I order about 200 for a college event closely approaching and I was wondering if they would arrive on time. [09:17] <Razor-X> i've modded my box so heavily, XFce refuses to work ;) [09:17] <Razor-X> as does Fluxbox [09:17] <wdh> gregg_, although everyone seems to loose them :P [09:17] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, am apt-get ddi it :P i removed some packages i didnt like which came with fresh installation but they needed to remove ubuntu-desktop :) [09:17] <selinium_> how do you rename the computer? [09:17] <wdh> Choudeshell, try to call Canonical then.. [09:18] <gregg_> Fanskapet: yeah, and it sure has a shell as powerful as konqueror :p [09:18] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: maybe that's why the box is broken? ;) [09:18] <Choudeshell> wdh, is their number on their site? [09:18] <wdh> Choudeshell, they seem to have some arrangements for cd's needed for events.. [09:18] <wdh> Choudeshell, i think it was mentioned in the FAQ on shipit [09:18] <reisio> gregg_: shell? [09:18] <Fanskapet> george___, shell? filemanager you mean? [09:18] <reisio> gregg_: file manager, y'mean? [09:18] <wdh> Choudeshell, or maybe it was an emailaddress :) [09:18] <Razor-X> gregg_: Konsole is pretty nice [09:18] <Choudeshell> wdh, they did mention, but I never heard back [09:18] <Razor-X> Eterm is nicer, though [09:19] <Fanskapet> i use gnome-terminal really [09:19] <gregg_> you can also call a graphical file manager a 'shell' [09:19] <reisio> the future Xfce file manager will be nice :) : http://thunar.xfce.org/wiki/ui:suggestion-20050320 [09:19] <KamiVIP> Razor-X, no idea. dont think so. i searched forum before i removed it. i found topic where one guy said that you can remove ubuntu-desktop. its not important file [09:19] <Fanskapet> but good old xterm would work fine for me too [09:19] <reisio> gregg_: you can, but nobody does :p [09:19] <gregg_> Razor-X: it's just a terminal emulator though [09:19] <Razor-X> gregg_: I use ``juts a terminal emulator'' all day long [09:19] <Belutz> Razor-X: hai! how r u today? [09:19] <Fanskapet> i just use gnome-terminal for the tabs nothing more nothing less :) [09:19] <Razor-X> this _is_ my working space, I have to have it so that my eyes don't go bad from staring at the Terminal [09:19] <Razor-X> Belutz: hey [09:19] <reisio> Fanskapet: just for the tabs? [09:20] <Fanskapet> reisio well mostly atleast :) [09:20] <reisio> Fanskapet: there's a package called "terminal" for Xfce that has tabs...mega unbloated compared to gnome-terminal [09:20] <gregg_> for a file manager I'm really interested in things like the kioslaves [09:20] <gregg_> e.g. a VFS for sftp, ftp, webdav and stuff like that [09:20] <Razor-X> with screen, tabs are useless [09:20] <reisio> Razor-X: nonsense [09:20] <Razor-X> reisio: in the Terminal, i'ld think so [09:20] <gregg_> Razor-X: me too :) [09:20] <Fanskapet> reisio okey well maybe i'l take that in consideration then.. but i have no access to internet via ubuntu right now since Telia fucked up their installation-date.. for the third time :( [09:20] <MagiPink> The only thing I can think of that may have screwed up the internet on my ubuntu is that I installed guarddog... and then I really couldn't figure it out so I uninstalled it... I don't know if that would have left anything behind that would have been less than helpful. [09:21] <Fanskapet> and my internal modem won't work in ubuntu. [09:21] <reisio> Fanskapet: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=40 [09:21] <Razor-X> it costs more CPU to create and maintain a tab than it does to create and maintain a screen [09:21] <reisio> Razor-X: tabs are nice [09:21] <f_newton> MagiPink, flush your iptables [09:21] <reisio> lol [09:21] <Fanskapet> Razor-X, yes it does but it's more usefull [09:21] <Razor-X> reisio: what are it's advantages over screen? [09:21] <reisio> like 0.00000000007% :p [09:21] <gregg_> screen is much more versatile than using different tabs [09:22] <reisio> Razor-X: sameness with all my other GUIs [09:22] <MagiPink> f_newton: How would I do that? [09:22] <Razor-X> reisio: oh, you care about the tab actually being there in the GUI? [09:22] <reisio> Razor-X: firefox, xchat, terminal - all have tabs, top left to right [09:22] <Fanskapet> Razor-X, _way_ better overview with two tabs than two 'screen' [09:22] <reisio> Razor-X: well what else is the point of a tab :p [09:22] <f_newton> I guess in ubuntu you would open up a root terminal and type iptables flush all or type iptables -h for the correct syntax [09:23] <Razor-X> can you detach a session of tabs? [09:23] <MagiPink> f_newton: Thank you. :D [09:23] <Razor-X> and return to it later, after you switch WMs? [09:23] <pestilence> Razor-X: you need tabs to have screens on multiple machines :-P [09:23] <reisio> Razor-X: I have very good reasons to use X, the tabs are just a perk [09:23] <Fanskapet> reisio, does o [09:23] <asfra> If I cant get my printer working does it have to be that I'm missing the driver or do I have to mount it? thanks.. [09:23] <Razor-X> pestilence: you can't use multiple terms? ;) [09:23] <Fanskapet> reisio, does it build on amd64 bit? [09:23] <f_newton> Razor-X, look this is a gui based os complete with closed root acct... so dont start acting all cli high n might [09:23] <f_newton> y [09:23] <pestilence> Razor-X: same difference [09:23] <Razor-X> asfra: printers don't need to be mounted [09:23] <reisio> Fanskapet: I wouldn't know [09:23] <Razor-X> f_newton: I think it is *shrugs* [09:23] <f_newton> debianites...sheeesh [09:24] <f_newton> lol [09:24] <reisio> Fanskapet: don't see why it wouldn't, but I've really no idea [09:24] <Razor-X> asfra: what style printer is it? [09:24] <reisio> ubuntuites complaining about debianites...rofl [09:24] <Razor-X> not to say I don't like eyecandy -- just not what i'm working with [09:24] <f_newton> yeah... [09:24] <Fanskapet> reisio seems to miss some nice things that the gnome one has though like displaying the path as tab-names instead of just "tab 1" "tab 2" etc. [09:24] <asfra> no, that's what I thought.. so if I the driver was a part of the distro it would work. It's an old Hp descjet 690... [09:24] <Razor-X> ubuntians or ubunscist ;) [09:24] <f_newton> just the snobbery [09:24] <Razor-X> s/ubunscist/ubunscists/ [09:24] <Razor-X> f_newton: I think you're being snobby about the GUI [09:25] <f_newton> that sounds to dictatorshipish for me [09:25] <reisio> Fanskapet: uh, that's completely dependent on your ~/.bashrc :p [09:25] <f_newton> ooh I see [09:25] <Razor-X> everyone assosciates ``cist'' with dictatorship ;) [09:25] <Razor-X> and communist with ``evil'' [09:25] <reisio> Fanskapet: my "terminal" uses paths, because I've configured my ~/.bashrc to do it that way [09:25] <f_newton> ubuntunions? [09:25] <Razor-X> hmmm, that's a bit long [09:25] <Fanskapet> reisio ah okey. [09:25] <Razor-X> ubuntians are cool [09:25] <pestilence> reisio: can you get konsole to do that? [09:25] <Razor-X> like martians [09:25] <asfra> Razor-X: many typos there.. would it work if I had the driver installed, or do I have to write something? it's a HP 690... [09:25] <pestilence> reisio: (in the title) [09:26] <Razor-X> asfra: then, i'm thinking CUPS includes that driver [09:26] <balistic2> Razor-x [09:26] <f_newton> cups should [09:26] <reisio> pestilence: undoubtedly [09:26] <Razor-X> lemme do a google search on that [09:26] <onur> Hello i want to install eclipse 3.1. How should i do it ? i don't think it is in the repos [09:26] <alex____> an nvidia installer ask for the kernel source tree to be installed, I have installed the linux-source and the linux-header but this is not what is required, any idea what should I installed ? [09:26] <balistic2> razor-x, i tried the floppy installation... but for some reason.. the second floppy wasnt working it said not a bootable floppy [09:26] <Razor-X> it should include a CUPS driver [09:26] <asfra> Razor-X: ok, I will google it.. [09:26] <reisio> Fanskapet: pestilence: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-tip-prompt/ [09:26] <Fanskapet> well it has some nice things as anti-alias and stuff. [09:26] <pestilence> reisio: i have some doubts [09:27] <f_newton> I have some cookies [09:27] <Razor-X> balistic2: did you try the Knoppix method? [09:27] <reisio> pestilence: I don't [09:27] <Razor-X> f_newton: delete them! ;) [09:27] <balistic2> razor-x, no i didnt [09:27] <pestilence> reisio: i'm not talking about prompts [09:27] <f_newton> I am working on it ... munch munch [09:27] <Razor-X> balistic2: that's a better method, IMO [09:27] <balistic2> razor-x, can you explain to me what it does exactly [09:27] <pestilence> reisio: i'm talking about the tab title [09:27] <pestilence> reisio: maybe i should have been clearer/maybe i misunderstood what you were discussing [09:27] <reisio> pestilence: so am I [09:27] <onur> How should i install a program that is not available in the repos ? [09:28] <Razor-X> balistic2: a floppy is put into the drive to search for the Knoppix CD (which means you can use external CD ROMs) boots Knoppix, then installs Ubuntu from there [09:28] <f_newton> onur very carefully [09:28] <Razor-X> hold on a sec [09:28] <onur> f_newton, more specifically ? [09:28] <reisio> pestilence: it would be ridiculous if konsole couldn't handle it, so I'm almost positive it can [09:28] <f_newton> onur there are a couple of things to worry about [09:28] <reisio> pestilence: this is incredibly old, simple, low-level stuff [09:28] <Razor-X> there we are [09:28] <balistic2> Razor-x, but thats the thing.. i dont have a cdrom drive [09:28] <f_newton> 1. dependencies 2. kernel compatibility [09:28] <pestilence> reisio: i don't think konsole gets its title from the prompt [09:28] <Razor-X> balistic2: none whatsoever? [09:28] <Razor-X> I thought you said you had an external one [09:28] <balistic2> not on the lap top [09:28] <balistic2> no i said i couldnt findone [09:29] <Razor-X> ahhh [09:29] <Razor-X> hold on then [09:29] <onur> f_newton, i am trying to install eclipse. It has no such problems i know [09:29] <pestilence> reisio: ok, so the *title* of the window changes to the prompt. but not the *tab name* [09:29] <f_newton> usually if its a modern build on a noarch platform tarball you can get it to work [09:29] <balistic2> yeah cuz i read the knopix and i wasnt sure whaty ou wanted me to do lol [09:29] <reisio> pestilence: the tab name usually becomes the title [09:29] <f_newton> onur try to see if there is a deb package on the eclipse web site [09:29] <reisio> pestilence: but however it works, I'm sure you can do it with Konsole [09:29] <pestilence> reisio: ok. [09:29] <reisio> pestilence: try what that page I linked you says [09:30] <znh> how to mount a floppy drive without readonly? [09:30] <pestilence> reisio: i already have a bashrc that changes the window title based on the path...but the tab names dont' change [09:30] <Razor-X> balistic2: I also suggest that you install Flubox as your WM, if the laptop is that old [09:30] <Razor-X> not Fluxbox, but XFce rather ;) [09:30] <balistic2> yeah i like xfce [09:30] <znh> someone tell me please, it's important [09:30] <onur> f_newton, there's not [09:30] <balistic2> xfce kicks ass [09:30] <balistic2> but the thing is i plan to put this comp as part of the network [09:30] <Razor-X> balistic2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot [09:30] <balistic2> so i can use it for music storage and stuff [09:30] <f_newton> well try the tarball. is there a gz or bz2? [09:31] <reisio> pestilence: maybe check preferences or something [09:31] <onur> f_newton, in general suppose that i have a source code. is the convetional "make install" smart way to do it [09:31] <reisio> pestilence: I almost never use KDE, so I wouldn't know exactly how to do it, but I would be dumbfounded if it couldn't [09:31] <f_newton> if yo know how to "make" a package sure... [09:31] <balistic2> razor-x, my mom was telling me about a netboot but i wasnt sure about it.. do i need floppyys? [09:32] <onur> f_newton, there's a tarball but eclipse is a java application you just download and run it. [09:32] <reisio> balistic2: say what? [09:32] <Razor-X> balistic2: one, but that should be all [09:32] <onur> f_newton, tarball includes the binaries only [09:32] <Razor-X> balistic2: your mom? wow, she's more knowledgeable than mine ;) [09:32] <f_newton> the binaries are what makes the program work [09:32] <balistic2> razor-x, my moms a systems admin and unix consultant for hbo [09:33] <f_newton> source code is for building [09:33] <onur> f_newton, for other tarballs you say that i should try to build a package rather than compiling it in te convetional way ? [09:33] <f_newton> onur for tarballs I just tar -zxvf filename [09:33] <onur> f_newton, then ? [09:33] <f_newton> it installs [09:33] <f_newton> some are sh scripts [09:33] <psychonate> I don't even think you need the "-" anymore [09:33] <Razor-X> balistic2: holy shit ;), why are you in this channel then? [09:34] <onur> f_newton, configure, make make install ? [09:34] <f_newton> onur ... you have no clue do you? [09:34] <Razor-X> unfortunately, Ubuntu doesen't have a specific netinstall [09:34] <balistic2> razor-x, cuz shes always busy lol [09:34] <onur> f_newton, i didn't get what you mean [09:34] <Razor-X> what you are doing is booting from a signal that's being sent on the network by another machine [09:35] <f_newton> if you have a tarball, a deb pkg, or an rpm why do you need to "make"? [09:35] <balistic2> razor-x, oh ok... so right now.. i have a corrupted windows 98 that says a bunch of shit is missing [09:35] <dishfish> hmm... Any of YOU were present in the annual Debconf in Helsinki? On the Ubuntu side... is there a plan to ensure full compatibility with Debian packages? [09:35] <Razor-X> you cando some real magic with netboots (like running KDE on a 486 ;) [09:35] <Razor-X> balistic2: on this box, or on your other box? [09:35] <balistic2> razor-x, crazy [09:35] <reisio> balistic2: 98, yeesh [09:35] <Razor-X> s/cando/can do/ [09:35] <balistic2> razor-x, on my small sony vaio [09:35] <reisio> dishfish: that is a really good question [09:36] <Razor-X> balistic2: is that the box you want to install to? [09:36] <balistic2> yes [09:36] <dishfish> [running KDE on aremote host form a 486] [09:36] <reisio> dishfish: I'd like to know that myself [09:36] <onur> f_newton, but also i usually and mostly get the source code usually only this is available then what should i do ? [09:36] <balistic2> razor-x, my sony vaio pcg c1xs [09:36] <tahorg> Razor-X: you mean exporting X. [09:36] <Razor-X> balistic2: hmmm, why not try an interim Live CD? [09:36] <reisio> dishfish: if so I can stop bashing Ubuntu [09:36] <Razor-X> tahorg: yeah, but it's still netboot magic ;) [09:36] <balistic2> razor,x what is that [09:36] <tahorg> Razor-X: no it isn't [09:36] <novatux> i have problem with kubuntu, i cant see the characters in the console, sorry my english is bad [09:36] <balistic2> razor-x, whats that [09:36] <novatux> anybody i can help me? [09:36] <f_newton> if it was a tarball of the source code then yes you would have to build the package, but if its the package compacted in tarball form you just need to unpack it... some need to be ./installed some need to be sh installed some install themselves after unpacking [09:37] <Razor-X> tahorg: errr, sorry, not that, I meant Clustering *my bad* [09:37] <dishfish> reisio, has the Shuttleworth Foundation or Canonical reported on a strategy? [09:37] <tahorg> Razor-X: netboot can't run kde on a 486 [09:37] <Razor-X> balistic2: Linux live CDs [09:37] <reisio> dishfish: dunno, but I'm looking [09:37] <Razor-X> tahorg: thin client [09:37] <tahorg> Razor-X: clustering ? :) [09:37] <Fanskapet> hmm well well just need to find out what's bugging the smb-client then my ubuntu installation is complete :P [09:37] <tahorg> Razor-X: thin client == exporting X :) [09:37] <Razor-X> tahorg: yeah [09:37] <f_newton> onur if there are installation instructions follow them [09:37] <Razor-X> tahorg: I was clustering with that thing [09:37] <balistic2> razor-x, arent live cds only to try it out...and even so.. i still dont have a cd drive on this vaio [09:37] <Razor-X> (even if it was pretty shitty) [09:37] <Razor-X> balistic2: but, your current OS is not working [09:37] <onur> f_newton, what if it is directly binary to run. Should i download and just leave it ? [09:38] <reisio> novatux: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts#What_to_do_if_the_Linux_font_in_Konsole_doesn.27t_work [09:38] <tahorg> Razor-X: clustering is something else. sorry. :( [09:38] <reisio> novatux: see if that helps [09:38] <dishfish> I think that by uniting the repositories between Ubuntu and Debian, we could more than double the server/developer capacity, and as well import software that is not yet present in the both distros [09:38] <f_newton> the binary is the actual program itself [09:38] <novatux> thanks reisio [09:38] <tahorg> Razor-X: clustering is sharing the computing power between machines. [09:38] <Razor-X> tahorg: exactly [09:38] <jono> when I use apt-get build-dep <package> it says that the dependencies could not be satisfied, but it works on another machine, how can I find out which packages are screwing up? [09:38] <f_newton> you usually have binary and source [09:38] <Razor-X> tahorg: that's what I was using netbooting for [09:38] <dishfish> We could do magic in the custom distribution -field [09:38] <tahorg> ok [09:38] <reisio> novatux: will be differentish, but perhaps it will give you a notion of what's wrong [09:39] <damneinstien> does anyone have any experience with cpufreqd on centrino? [09:39] <onur> f_newton, yeah i know. I mean suppose that i want that (binary) program available system wide and can be uninstalled just like packes then what should i do [09:39] <Razor-X> balistic2: if you really want to ditch Ubuntu (which I think is solid any way you use it), then Debian's netinstall is nice [09:39] <onur> packes = packages [09:39] <Razor-X> oh wait, you can't use a Live CD........... :( [09:39] <dishfish> me has fallen in love with Transmeta Efficeon, so if you ask me of any other processor -except of my secret mistress pteron.. dunno [09:39] <f_newton> uninstalled? [09:40] <novatux> ok reisio [09:40] <jono> anyone? [09:40] <Razor-X> balistic2: if you have the time, install a basic Debian netinstall, and install Ubuntu from there [09:40] <f_newton> to uninstall find the file location in the directory and rm it [09:40] <onur> f_newton, you can uninstall the packages right ? [09:40] <f_newton> if you used a package manager like apt or yum or the like yes [09:40] <Razor-X> balistic2: you will simply install Debian, then changes the sources.list entries to the corresponding Ubuntu entries, then ``sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'' [09:40] <Razor-X> f_newton: yum, ewww [09:41] <f_newton> if you used a manual installation like a tarball you still can uninstall it but you have to do that manually as well [09:41] <onur> f_newton, i am just trying to figure out a general smart policy in my mind to install various types program [09:41] <f_newton> yeah yum is the reason Im here Razor-X [09:41] <balistic2> omg.. im so confused [09:41] <Razor-X> on an RPM distro, I _have_ to use apt-rpm [09:41] <balistic2> Razor-x, You mean install with floppys [09:41] <yhager> anyone has experience with NetworkManager? [09:41] <f_newton> onur smart is to use the approved repos only [09:41] <Pegasos989> Tm komento lukee kyll ubuntuguiden sivuilla, mutta se vain kuulostaa niin pelottavalta, ett tytyy tarkistaa... Eikai "killall gnome-panel" tee mitn pahaa? :( [09:41] <f_newton> yeah yhager [09:41] <dishfish> reisio can you msg me if you find anything from the Debian-Ubuntu compatibility, cos i'd neerd it in importing stuff in the next release of Skolelinux http://www.skolelinux.org/portal [09:41] <onur> f_newton, but forexample there is no way to use eclipse through repos [09:41] <yhager> f_newton, together with resolvconf? [09:41] <balistic2> Razor-x, i tried that.. and the first floppy worked but the second one didnt work...and i treid other floppys and it said this isnt a bootable floppy [09:42] <Pegasos989> Shit. forgot to ask in englishj [09:42] <Pegasos989> sry [09:42] <f_newton> yhager, networkmanager is a gui app for managing you network connections [09:42] <f_newton> resolv.conf is cli [09:42] <Razor-X> balistic2: you can use 52 floppied (like I did with my first Debian install ages ago) [09:42] <MagiPink> Okay... flushing iptables doesn't seem to have done anything. :3 [09:42] <Pegasos989> Anyways... This command ( killall gnome-panel ) is in ubuntuguide, but it sounds so scary that I just want to check that it doesn't do anything bad, does it? [09:42] <Razor-X> but, I suggest using a netinstall [09:43] <Razor-X> if you have a nice, fast net connection, all will be well [09:43] <yhager> f_newton, yeah, but does it work correctly when resolvconf is installed? I have found a patch for this, wanted to hear if you have good/bad experience with it.. [09:43] <Razor-X> your mom let you install Windows? wow [09:43] <KamiVIP> anybody have link to winex .deb package? [09:43] <Razor-X> if I ever have kids, I'm going to teach them Linux as their primary OS [09:43] <MagiPink> Damn internet. [09:43] <neiras> KamiVP - you're looking for 'cedega' [09:43] <KamiVIP> i cant mannage to install it from source [09:43] <f_newton> ok I dont know about that... I use network manager to maintain my connections [09:43] <Razor-X> KamiVIP: WineX has been renamed to Cedega [09:43] <reisio> dishfish: guess we'll just have to wait a while for the debconf ppl to speak up [09:43] <f_newton> I know how it works and how to set up connections [09:43] <balistic2> Razor-x, actually i was hesitant about linux, but i tried it out for a good 3 months... but now i have this new lap top...but anyways how do i do a net install [09:43] <reisio> Razor-X: hopefully we'll have something better than Linux by then [09:44] <KamiVIP> yep i meant cedega i tried installing it from sources but didnt worked wll [09:44] <Razor-X> reisio: possibly [09:44] <KamiVIP> well* [09:44] <f_newton> MagiPink, are you using gnome? [09:44] <Razor-X> I'm going to teach my sister emacs from 6 ;) [09:44] <selinium_> How do you rename the pc? ie selinium@<computer name>: [09:44] <KamiVIP> so i thought it migh work with .deb pachage [09:44] <MagiPink> f_newton: I am indeed. [09:44] <f_newton> onur, here is a piece of advice... get a good linux or debian in depth book and rtfm [09:44] <onur> f_newton, suppose that i want to install eclipse and i want it to be accessible system wide, what should i do ? [09:45] <reisio> book? [09:45] <office> Can anyone assist with how to make my laptop hibernate when i close my lid? [09:45] <f_newton> just install it and if needed change the permissions [09:45] <reisio> get a book on free software? [09:45] <aias_> selinium, hostname <name> , and edit /etc/hostname for the next boot, iirc [09:45] <f_newton> but it should work sys wide [09:45] <reisio> what a waste of cash [09:45] <office> System --> Logout --> Hibernate works as a clicking option [09:45] <onur> f_newton, to my home directory ? [09:45] <balistic2> Razor-x, how do i do a net install [09:45] <onur> f_newton, to where ? [09:45] <boazg> i have the oddest problem i've seen in a while.... [09:45] <aias_> selinium, eh, ignore me, I answered a different question [09:45] <Razor-X> office: that depends if the laptop close registers as a keysym [09:45] <f_newton> magipink go to system tools and choose networktools [09:46] <Razor-X> balistic2: lemme pull you a link [09:46] <selinium_> aias: cheers! [09:46] <balistic2> thanks razor-x [09:46] <f_newton> this isnt a dial up is it MagiPink ? [09:46] <MagiPink> f_newton: No, DSL [09:46] <boazg> no user on my computer has permissions for anything, except root. this is true only my root filesystem. [09:46] <yhager> f_newton, trying to compile it now.. I'll let you know how it works.. [09:46] <f_newton> onur to where ever but whereever you put it remember [09:47] <CurtinDaVern> hi there just wondering if someone could tell me the name of the modprobe utility that comes with Ubuntu? [09:47] <f_newton> k [09:47] <onur> f_newton, thank you for your patience [09:47] <f_newton> MagiPink, Is it ppoe? [09:47] <Razor-X> balistic2: here's a piece of advice [09:47] <balistic2> ok [09:47] <Razor-X> get a CD drive [09:47] <balistic2> ughh.. [09:47] <Razor-X> it's relatively inexpensive [09:47] <balistic2> lol [09:47] <f_newton> no sweat onur I am trying to help but ive only been using ubuntu for two days [09:47] <Razor-X> do it, even netinstalls need CDs (it sees) [09:47] <MagiPink> f_newton: Yes, I believe so. [09:47] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: modprobe? [09:47] <Razor-X> s/sees/seems/ [09:47] <Razor-X> i'm guessing that your best bet is the Ubuntu netbot intall [09:47] <Razor-X> s/intall/install/ [09:48] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: try 'modprobe' [09:48] <f_newton> ok have you opened up network tools yet MagiPink ? [09:48] <Razor-X> or Debian 52 floppies ;) [09:48] <aias_> selinium, you can edit /etc/hosts; you should see your hostname at the end of the first line: after that, put yourhost.domain [09:48] <balistic2> razor-x but my other computers have cd rom drives [09:48] <Razor-X> balistic2: so? [09:48] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: well when I try and modprobe the drivers I want to try with my wifi card they say they can't be found [09:48] <CurtinDaVern> even though I see them listed [09:48] <f_newton> MagiPink, also are u using ethernet or wifi? [09:48] <CurtinDaVern> some1 told me their is a util to make it easier [09:48] <Razor-X> balistic2: by the way, does your IRC client have tab complete? it's useful, and makes your typin appear neater ;) [09:49] <spanglesontoast> erm [09:49] <MagiPink> f_newton: Ethernet, and I haven't opened up network tools 'cause I'm still on my windows partition. Heh. [09:49] <spanglesontoast> can anyone help me disable a sound card? [09:49] <Razor-X> s/typin/typing/ [09:49] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: so you dont have the drivers. apt-get install them [09:49] <balistic2> razor-x i dont think so [09:49] <f_newton> ah you need two machines! [09:49] <f_newton> lol [09:49] <Razor-X> balistic2: no tab complete?! [09:49] <f_newton> then MagiPink let me run thru it ok? [09:49] <Razor-X> balistic2: start typing my name, then hit <Tab> [09:49] <Razor-X> and see what happens [09:49] <MagiPink> Okay. :) [09:49] <balistic2> Razor-X [09:49] <Razor-X> there you are ;) [09:49] <balistic2> Whoa cool [09:49] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: there are drivers and that's why I want to use that util and I can't d/l drivers b/c my connection is wireless not wired [09:49] <spanglesontoast> Can anyone help me disable a sound module from running at bootup? [09:49] <Razor-X> see how much neater that came out ;) [09:49] <balistic2> yes very neat [09:50] <Razor-X> none of us actually type in the names, we all use Tab Complete XD [09:50] <CurtinDaVern> Razor-X: nice way of teaching :D [09:50] <balistic2> LOL [09:50] <balistic2> oh ok [09:50] <balistic2> Razor-X, awesome [09:50] <CurtinDaVern> balistic2: way to go you got it [09:50] <balistic2> loll haha [09:50] <balistic2> yup [09:50] <aias_> spanglesontoast, add the module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist [09:50] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: ok... what wifi card? [09:50] <Razor-X> believe me, it becomes reflex after a while [09:50] <Razor-X> so reflexive that you do it in IMs ;) [09:50] <yhager> f_newton, did you install NetworkManager from a respository (can't find any), or compiled it? [09:50] <f_newton> after you open up nettools click on the network device tab and choose the device you have click on netstat and see if you get any data [09:50] <spanglesontoast> how do I find out which sound module it is? [09:50] <f_newton> it comes with it [09:50] <balistic2> Razor-X i had another idea [09:50] <Razor-X> anyways...., try the netinstall of Ubuntu, balistic2 [09:50] <Razor-X> balistic2: hmmm? [09:51] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: network everywhere nwu11b [09:51] <MagiPink> Okay [09:51] <balistic2> Razor-X, i figured maybe using a usbstick [09:51] <Razor-X> balistic2: it has USB? [09:51] <KamiVIP> !wine [09:51] <Razor-X> you know, a USB external CDrom drive is cheaper than a USB stick ;) [09:51] <balistic2> Razor-X, yeah [09:51] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: and the driver for thet is? [09:51] <Razor-X> but yeah, that's definitely possible [09:51] <balistic2> Razor-X i have an mp3 player tha tworks as a usb stick [09:51] <Razor-X> distros like Flonix allow that [09:51] <spanglesontoast> how do I find out which sound modules are loaded [09:51] <linlin> Razor-X where... [09:52] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: well I saw some amtel.ko amtel_cs.ko hoping they would work as that is the chipset [09:52] <barkley> is ndiswrapper in recent breezy badger isos? [09:52] <MagiPink> I guess I'll go do that then. [09:52] <caturOK> helooo [09:52] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: and do they? [09:52] <caturOK> help me pls [09:52] <Razor-X> linlin: hmmmm? [09:52] <f_newton> yhager, do you have the network icon in the upper task bar? [09:52] <aias_> spanglesontoast, I assume the module that you don't want is loading? [09:52] <spanglesontoast> yep [09:52] <linlin> nevermind [09:52] <f_newton> spanglesontoast, welcome [09:52] <caturOK> why my scanner couldnot detect [09:52] <balistic2> razor-x, so if i pout the whole ubuntu cd on a usbstick... could i install like that [09:53] <spanglesontoast> yes newton [09:53] <yhager> f_newton, no, I haven't installed it yet.. [09:53] <caturOK> why my umax 2500 couldnot detect [09:53] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: like I mentioned I get a module not found when using modprobe [09:53] <Razor-X> see, the reason I logged off, is because I had to type your name (balistic2) without tab complete XD [09:53] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: i mean, what does 'modprobe amtel' do? [09:53] <Razor-X> balistic2: ahhh, it's possible, but difficult [09:53] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: module not found [09:53] <aias_> spanglesontoast, then lsmod | grep snd will get you a few modules; the first one is probably the one you want to blacklist [09:53] <spanglesontoast> ty [09:53] <balistic2> Razor-X ill change my nick [09:53] <Razor-X> what size USB stick do you have, balistic2 ? [09:53] <codius> uhm.. is it possible to view and use files from windows in ubuntu (mp3/avi), if so, how to find them? [09:53] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: but they are there? [09:53] <Razor-X> B22: no no, it's fine ;) [09:53] <B22> Razor-X, 1gb [09:53] <f_newton> yhager i am at a loss... it should be there by default [09:53] <caturOK> :( [09:53] <Razor-X> B22: awesome [09:53] <caturOK> help me plzzzz [09:53] <B22> so is that ok [09:54] <caturOK> why my umax 2500 couldnot detect [09:54] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: http://linux_wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=Network+Everywhere&zoek=SHOW shows that it works under linux [09:54] <B22> Razor-X, would an ipod do the trick as well [09:54] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: yes I can see the files under file explorer [09:54] <Razor-X> B22: I think we can get this working (with a little research), and I think i'll write a wiki guide on it [09:54] <f_newton> I think its called network settings in ubuntu [09:54] <Razor-X> B22: as long as it can store files, yeah [09:54] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: even when i cd over to the directory [09:54] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: and dir they are shown [09:54] <Razor-X> iPods can run Linux, ya know? [09:54] <B22> Razor-X yes i know [09:54] <My_Umax_Problem> help me plzzzz [09:54] <pax> http://www.ninux.net/files/foo.png <- this is how your ubuntu should look like :D [09:54] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: try insmod [09:55] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: what is that? [09:55] <B22> My_Umax_Problem look at the topoc =) [09:55] <My_Umax_Problem> hm [09:55] <B22> *topic [09:55] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: like modprobe but take a full path [09:55] <CurtinDaVern> k brb [09:55] <yhager> f_newton, ok. I'll take a step back and check this out.. [09:55] <My_Umax_Problem> what the [09:55] <B22> Razor-X do you have aim [09:55] <My_Umax_Problem> but i'm know so confused [09:55] <difeta> where can i find packages for network-manager? [09:56] <yhager> f_newton, you mean 'Network Monitor' ? [09:56] <magdeburger> cute icons @ pax oO [09:56] <f_newton> yeah... same thing [09:56] <sexcopter8000m> hmmm, how can i restart alsa? do i need to reboot? [09:56] <KamiVIP> hum [09:56] <KamiVIP> any ideas why i get 'Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server' when i try to run synatic, firefox or wish? [09:56] <f_newton> if its the configuration tool yhager [09:56] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: invalid symbol in module [09:56] <CurtinDaVern> boazg: are you ok if I PM you? [09:57] <aias_> KamiVIP, are you trying to run them from a root terminal? [09:57] <f_newton> I am still feeling my way around ubuntu yhager ` [09:57] <Razor-X> B22: i'm actually going through some docs now [09:57] <boazg> CurtinDaVern: ok [09:57] <B22> Razor-X ok [09:57] <pax> thankies _mage_afk :-) [09:57] <KamiVIP> aias_, as user [09:57] <Razor-X> B22: can your laptop boot from the USB stick? [09:57] <linlin> how do i add a launcher to my gnome menu? [09:57] <KamiVIP> aias_, but it's same if i run it with sudo [09:58] <f_newton> to the menu or the desktop? [09:58] <yhager> f_newton, Thanks.. I'll look around. [09:58] <B22> Razor-X, i have no idea... [09:58] <f_newton> yeah well i know im not much help yhager [09:58] <anacron> any ideas how to run vice? [09:58] <aias_> KamiVIP, then, there's something wrong with ~/.Xauthority, if you are actually in a normal terminal. I'm no authority on that, tho [09:58] <B22> Razor-X, i just know the damn thing has a usb slot [09:58] <Razor-X> B22: arrghhh, I have to go [09:58] <Razor-X> I can't help for a while [09:59] <KamiVIP> alias_ thanks [09:59] <Razor-X> try this http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en [09:59] <barkley> is ndiswrapper in recent breezy badger isos? [09:59] <B22> bah.. [09:59] <B22> ok [09:59] <Fanskapet> barkley why do you wonder that? [09:59] <aias_> barkley, yes [09:59] <Fanskapet> just download and compile [10:00] <aias_> at least colony 2 [10:00] <barkley> Fanskapet: because i need it [10:00] <barkley> aias_: thanks [10:01] <Fanskapet> barkley well as i said just download and compile it [10:01] <Fanskapet> works just great [10:01] <aias_> barkley, according to my cache, it's 1.1 [10:01] <Fanskapet> im using it here right now playing mp3 over samba [10:01] <izmaelis> how should i convert from ntfs to fat32 without data loss? [10:02] <dvsoftware> is there a way to make scroll on touchpad work? [10:02] <windex> izmaelis, to my knowledge there is no microsoft-provided utility for doing what you just said. you may be able to back up the filesystem entirely and use the windows recovery console on it after it's restored, but it's a long shot. [10:02] <spanglesontoast> why does it say I need something called e2fsck? [10:02] <izmaelis> so i must use something like Partition Magic (- [10:02] <alnr> just tried installing gmailfs and hit the apparently well-known error fusermount:old style mounting not supported, is there a remedy for this? [10:03] <f_newton> izmaelis, there is a fat to ntfs but NOT the other way around [10:03] <boazg> is anyone apt enough to assist me... [10:03] <f_newton> ntfs is a superior fs to fat and fat32 [10:03] <windex> spanglesontoast, that's a disk checking program. it finds filesystem errors. if your machine is booting up and says it needs to run e2fsck, that's because the system has determined there may be errors. [10:03] <f_newton> apt... lol [10:03] <dvsoftware> izmaelis, if you need ntfs write support, i used captive-ntfs long time ago, which did the job [10:03] <boazg> note the pun... [10:03] <f_newton> yeah I did [10:03] <spanglesontoast> well it's just I left the data from fedora in my home partition [10:03] <Seveas> dvsoftware, did you get it to work on Ubuntu..? [10:04] <spanglesontoast> I mean [10:04] <f_newton> whats the problem boazg ? [10:04] <spanglesontoast> I had my users files as a home partition [10:04] <spanglesontoast> etc [10:04] <spanglesontoast> how do I fix it? [10:04] <windex> izmaelis, if partition magic will do it, more power to id. [10:04] <boazg> no user on my computer has permissions for anything, except root. this is true only my root filesystem. [10:04] <windex> izmaelis, , er, it. [10:04] <f_newton> spanglesontoast, if you are using the same fs it should read them fine [10:04] <izmaelis> i'm thinking about switching from win os to linux, so I will need to convert all my data [10:04] <spanglesontoast> I'm using ext3 [10:04] <dvsoftware> Seveas, that was on mandrake errm... two years ago [10:04] <f_newton> data NOT apps [10:04] <Seveas> :) [10:05] <spanglesontoast> yea just data like pics [10:05] <windex> izmaelis, if you have partition magic, you can just shrink the NTFS partition down to a size that will allow you to share disk space with ubuntu. [10:05] <spanglesontoast> and songs [10:05] <asfra> I want to try to install ubuntu on an old computer that doesn't boot automatically from cd, can I then work magic with a floppy and start the cd [10:05] <f_newton> spanglesontoast, thats the fedora default and the ubuntu default [10:05] <spanglesontoast> I thought it would just be fine [10:05] <spanglesontoast> although I do have some zipped old programs [10:05] <f_newton> and you do have a seperate partition for your /home right? [10:06] <bretzel> Hello -:) Can someone tell how the sensors in gdesklets poll the data ( lmsensors/sensors ? ) ? [10:06] <f_newton> so you could manually partition and keep the home dir [10:06] <windex> izmaelis, NTFS is better than fat32 under windows, it's just that linux support for ntfs is best used read-only, since the filesystem isin't very predictable. [10:06] <dvsoftware> nobody knows how to fix scroll on touchpad? [10:06] <DRPAS> does anybody can help me configuring a VIA/S3G UniChrome Graphics card for X [10:06] <linlin> dvsoftware, thats kind of proprietary, i dont think you'll have much luck with that [10:06] <dvsoftware> windex, i thought that write support is quite safe now [10:06] <spanglesontoast> erm [10:06] <spanglesontoast> yea newton [10:06] <spanglesontoast> it's already on a partition [10:06] <spanglesontoast> called /home [10:06] <f_newton> boazg, do what now? [10:06] <f_newton> is this ubuntu/ [10:06] <spanglesontoast> just I got rid of fedora [10:06] <f_newton> ? [10:07] <boazg> i give up [10:07] <spanglesontoast> and left the data preserved [10:07] <f_newton> have you been messing with the root acct? [10:07] <DRPAS> does anybody can help me configuring a VIA/S3G UniChrome Graphics card for X [10:07] <windex> dvsoftware, it is, but it only supports modifying existing files, and those files can not grow larger than their original size. [10:07] <linlin> dvsoftware, do you have a synaptics touch pad? [10:07] <DRPAS> does anyone knows the server for this card VIA/S3G UniChrome Graphics for xfree86? [10:07] <f_newton> I do and it sux with linux] [10:07] <aias_> boazg, do you mean, you want to edit something outside of /home/boazg, and can't? [10:07] <windex> dvsoftware, if you want to call that an improvement over 'read only', anyway. :) [10:07] <linlin> dvsoftware, maybe try this http://freshmeat.net/projects/synaptics/ [10:08] <radiodog> hey, do i have to download codecs for Totem to play divx...or even mp3? [10:08] <raDeon> yes radiodog [10:08] <linlin> radiodog, use mplayer [10:08] <nJess> DRPAS, use vesa [10:08] <raDeon> radiodog, www.ubuntuguide.org [10:08] <|rockinnerd|> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [10:09] <mwerner> dvsoftware, I have a Synaptics. What do you mean with "scroll"? The scroll buttons? [10:09] <f_newton> oh wait I have an alps duh.. [10:10] <deprave_> i've noticed when i copy files from cdrom to a directory, if a file already exists ubuntu still copies the file and it is basicly duplicated, is there a flag for cp that won't copy the same file over? [10:10] <DRPAS> how do i configure X in my warty ubuntu please? [10:11] <izmaelis> ot: after spending lots of time with linux i noticed that hardware that works with linux is better than hardware that works only with win [10:11] <spanglesontoast> erm [10:11] <izmaelis> sound cards, video cards etc. [10:11] <spanglesontoast> how can I fix [10:11] <spanglesontoast> stuff [10:11] <deprave_> haha [10:11] <deprave_> spanglesontoast: kick the stuff [10:11] <bretzel> Can someone tell how the sensors in gdesklets poll the data ( lmsensors/sensors ? ) ? [10:12] <DRPAS> how do i configure X in my warty ubuntu please? [10:12] <f_newton> whats the matter MagiPink ? [10:12] <Razor-X> B22: you there? [10:12] <f_newton> still no connect? [10:12] <|rockinnerd|> Danger Will Robinson! [10:12] <MagiPink> Nope. :3 [10:12] <spanglesontoast> how do I reset permissions for my user so they can have control of everything in the home dir [10:12] <spanglesontoast> they have been set [10:12] <deprave_> MagiPink : why so blue? [10:12] <deprave_> hehehe [10:12] <izmaelis> DRPAS, isn't it configured during install? [10:13] <MagiPink> My Ubuntu won't connect to the internet anymore, deprave_~ [10:13] <aias_> spanglesontoast, log out of gnome, switch to a tty (ctl-alt-f1), drop to single user mode (telinit 1), umount the /home partition, then e2fsck /dev/<home> [10:13] <chad> "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in shell? [10:13] <spanglesontoast> ah [10:13] <aias_> spanglesontoast, then when done, telinit 2 to get back to normal [10:13] <icewt> chad, maybe it's easier to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:13] <spanglesontoast> erm [10:13] <f_newton> lol [10:13] <chad> ok [10:13] <spanglesontoast> let me just write that down [10:13] <spanglesontoast> so dev is the hard drive the home partition is on? [10:14] <icewt> chad, find Section "Sceen" there [10:14] <kemik> MagiPink: what does ifconfig say? [10:14] <f_newton> me I just open up the directory right click on the folder choose properties and then permissions and I change them there [10:14] <kemik> MagiPink: do you have dhcp-assignemnt of ip-addy? [10:14] <icewt> chad, i mean, "Screen" [10:14] <aias_> spanglesontoast, yes, /dev/whatever your home partition is [10:14] <anacron> does anyone have a clue why gaim is transfering files so slow? [10:14] <MagiPink> kemik: I can go check to see what it says... and no, I don't believe I do. [10:14] <f_newton> dev is the device [10:14] <kemik> MagiPink: so you've got static ip? [10:14] <spanglesontoast> what about the weird permissions [10:15] <f_newton> /dev/hda/home/whatever [10:15] <chad> how do i start from console? gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [10:15] <icewt> sudo gedit ... [10:15] <f_newton> wow thats pretty nice to have a static ip [10:15] <kemik> chad: dont forget "sudo" [10:15] <MagiPink> kemik: Uh... I... don't know. :3 [10:15] <f_newton> assume its dhcp MagiPink [10:15] <kemik> MagiPink: you really should know, but i guess its DHCP if you have no idea ;) [10:15] <DRPAS> need help about VIA/S3G UniChrome Graphics and X [10:15] <DRPAS> please! [10:15] <kemik> MagiPink: do "ifconfig -a" [10:15] <aias_> spanglesontoast, a different issue, that's because ext3 saves user and group identification as numbers; the numbers are not mapped correctly for your ubuntu users [10:16] <MagiPink> I'll do that the next time I work up the energy to change over to the other partition. :3 [10:16] <Spudchat> i saw in knoppix where you can import ntfs drivers from a windows partition so you can read and write realiably to ntfs filesystems [10:16] <Spudchat> can you do that in ubuntu [10:16] <sky__> how come i can't install gnomp3? [10:16] <spanglesontoast> ok [10:16] <spanglesontoast> I go do that thing [10:16] <spanglesontoast> be back soon [10:17] <codius> does ubuntu support ntfs? [10:17] <kemik> Spudchat: sure its "reliable" ? [10:17] <kemik> codius: reading; yes, writing; not recommended [10:17] <izmaelis> codius, look for captive [10:17] <f_newton> lol ms hardly supports ntfs [10:17] <Spudchat> well thats what knoppix says so i dunno [10:17] <izmaelis> f_newton, what do you mean? [10:17] <Spudchat> well just so i dont have to format and lose everything [10:17] <kemik> MagiPink: gives up what? you've not even tried [10:17] <f_newton> humor izmaelis [10:17] <sky__> somehow ubuntu cant finde the package "gnomp3".. [10:18] <Spudchat> no possibility to move the data as my laptop has only one hdd [10:18] <chad> i see only 3 diffrent resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:18] <kemik> Spudchat: im not sure, but cant you convert ntfs to fat32 in partition magic ? [10:18] <f_newton> kemik he is having to go back n forth between his windows partition to connect and his ubuntu to make changes [10:18] <MagiPink> I'm just lazy right now and tired of switching back and forth so many times. xD I'll try again later. [10:18] <Spudchat> interesting....ill have to look into that [10:19] <aias_> sky__, it's in the universe section, maybe you need to fix your sources.list [10:19] <f_newton> it is getting frustrating Im sure [10:19] <icewt> chad, add a new one there [10:19] <chad> k [10:19] <codius> kemik, When I'm mounting my ntfs hdd it seems like it works, but the content is "unreadable" [10:19] <MagiPink> I think I screwed it up with guarddog. :3 [10:19] <f_newton> kemik wow partition magic must have come a long way [10:20] <metalhedd> I've got my NAT/Router working, running gentoo, however the only problem I have is that when a machine gets an IP using DHCP the resolv.conf file of that machine is replaced with references to the router as a nameserver, if I copy the resolv.conf from the router and place it on the machine in question, it works fine. How can I make the dhcp server give the correct DNS Information to the machines on the lan? I kn [10:20] <kemik> codius: its mounted as "Read Only" and most likely as "root" too [10:20] <kemik> codius: try mount your ntfs partition and in a terminal do "sudo nautilus" then go browse the mounted folder [10:21] <kemik> codius: if you can read it, then it's just a matter of mounting it as a certain user or group [10:21] <kemik> f_newton: it has [10:21] <chad> Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" hope this is right [10:21] <LasseL> is it me or does the fonts look slightly different after last system update? [10:21] <codius> how can I access it then? (used: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5/ /mnt/) [10:21] <kemik> f_newton: and i googled it, PM can convert NTFS->FAT32 [10:21] <aias_> chad, that's a usable modes line [10:21] <f_newton> that is a big leap forward kemik [10:21] <spanglesontoast> ok [10:21] <kemik> codius: "sudo nautilus" and go browse /mnt [10:22] <spanglesontoast> it fold me to get a newer version of e2fsck [10:22] <icewt> chad, and you added it to all the subsections? [10:22] <spanglesontoast> *told [10:22] <chad> ill do that [10:22] <f_newton> ah... [10:22] <kemik> f_newton: PM is quite cool.. even tho im a bit superstitous about resizing and converting partitions ;) [10:22] <aias_> spanglesontoast, eh [10:22] <f_newton> I dont [10:22] <f_newton> I use nothing but linux partitions [10:22] <spanglesontoast> that's what it said [10:22] <f_newton> on linux machines [10:23] <kemik> f_newton: unfortunately im stuck with a ntfs partition, dualbooting.. even tho i spend 95% of my time in linux [10:23] <aias_> spanglesontoast, I've never run fedora, so I have no Idea why it would say that [10:23] <f_newton> I used to have to until I got cxoffice [10:23] <spanglesontoast> hmm [10:23] <Spudchat> you think i can use wine to run partition magic? [10:23] <spanglesontoast> I could install k3b [10:23] <spanglesontoast> burn what I need [10:23] <f_newton> now the only winapp I have to use is in there [10:23] <kemik> f_newton: there just isnt a GOOD ftp program for linux... i've been messing with GTK now to write my own, but Glade isnt playing along with me [10:23] <f_newton> filezilla? [10:23] <f_newton> whats wrong with that? [10:24] <f_newton> or just type ftp in console [10:24] <MagiPink> So... I should go... ifconfig -a or someething~ :3 [10:24] <kemik> filezilla supports Fxp and sll ? [10:24] <chad> now "1280x1024" is on all sub sec..save and try change res..or is it more to this? [10:24] <kemik> f_newton: preferably a gui-based ssl & fxp client, not "ftp" :P [10:24] <aias_> spanglesontoast, or, if you have enough space on another partition, just move the data there temporarily [10:24] <f_newton> ssh? [10:24] <icewt> chad, i think you must restart x or something [10:24] <MagiPink> BRB [10:24] <aias_> although, "back up early, back up often" ;) [10:24] <kemik> MagiPink: yea to see if you got a ip-adress at all, if you dont, you can try "dhcp -i eth0" (if your networkcard is eth0) [10:25] <levander> I'm getting errors from graveman and one of the things I've noticed is that it still thinks I have my old CD burner on my machine even though I tool it off and replaced it with a new DVD burner. Anybody know how to change this? [10:25] <chad> killall/kill nautilus? [10:25] <f_newton> I just stop when some one says no good linux app for a win alternative [10:25] <kemik> codius: able to browse your foldeR? [10:25] <chad> <N00B :) [10:26] <kemik> f_newton: you cant SSh into a ftp and find that convenient [10:26] <icewt> chad, log out and press ctrl+alt+backspace [10:26] <chad> aright [10:26] <aias_> chad, ctl-alt-backspace kills X; it's best to see icewt [10:26] <sun_> hi anyone know a commandline program that can convert gif->ps? [10:26] <kemik> f_newton: what i want essentially for linux is sort of like "flashfxp" :) [10:26] <CurtinDaVern> Razor-X: you around? [10:26] <kemik> f_newton: there's pftp by hoe, but it doesnt support recursive get [10:26] <sun_> hi anyone know a commandline program that can convert gif->ps? [10:27] <kemik> sun_: try google, it may know ;) [10:27] <f_newton> I guess my needs are simple [10:27] <f_newton> I use ftp rarely [10:27] <mrknisely> Anyone seen how google can do math for you? [10:27] <f_newton> but filezilla works for me [10:27] <kemik> sun_: http://hepunx.rl.ac.uk/~adye/gifconv.html <-- first hit on google [10:28] <CurtinDaVern> I am hoping someone can help me get my wireless network card working as I have only a wireless connection on my Ubuntu computer and have to keep on running back and forth between rooms here [10:28] <sky__> thx aias_ [10:28] <holycow> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26567.html <-- pretty good tutorial for anyone fighting with sound issues [10:28] <kemik> f_newton: if filezilla supports SSL i'm happy for now =) [10:28] <kemik> holycow: i'm hoping breezy will solve all those soundissues [10:28] <f_newton> check it out n see kemik the web site should tell you [10:29] <kemik> f_newton: already there ;) [10:29] <f_newton> I use simple ftp for my sites [10:29] <aias_> sky__, np [10:29] <kemik> the sites im on are ssl-enforced... cant get in withoutit ;) [10:29] <f_newton> passive? [10:29] <aias_> rofl, sound issues fixed [10:29] <kemik> f_newton: ssl = secure socket layer, not the same thing as being behind a firewall ;) [10:30] <Gourami> hi all, has anyone heard of a mud client called tintin ? [10:30] <CurtinDaVern> kemik: how long have you been using Ubuntu? [10:30] <kemik> CurtinDaVern: since uhm, mars ? [10:30] <cohonen> where can i get a mplayer package for ubuntu ??? [10:30] <f_newton> ive been using it for two days CurtinDaVern does that count? [10:30] <kemik> CurtinDaVern: im not using a wireless lan card, but you want ndiswrapper im sure [10:30] <CurtinDaVern> kemik: would you be interested in helping me get my wireless NIC setup as I'm a one day old user [10:30] <kemik> !ndiswrapper [10:30] <ubotu> methinks ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper [10:30] <CurtinDaVern> kemik: nope didn't work [10:30] <achilles__> I have scsi problems. The scsi card is recognized, the scsi zip dirve works. BUT my two scannes are not available. They do not appear under /dev. Whee is the problem? [10:31] <holycow> kemik, yeah but ubuntu cannot do anything about each app wanting to use a different sound system, or sound co's not opening up their drivers [10:31] <f_newton> what is the wifi card CurtinDaVern ? [10:31] <holycow> :/ [10:31] <kemik> CurtinDaVern: then you're out of luck with me [10:31] <crashd> heh [10:31] <crashd> im having wifi problems too :\ [10:31] <levander> I'm getting image to big errors from gnomebaker. There's any way to tell it I want to burn to a DVD and not a CD? [10:31] <CurtinDaVern> f_newton: network everywhere nwu11b [10:31] <Gourami> no one heard of a mud client called tintin ? [10:31] <kemik> cohonen: in universe, or www.mplayerhq.com and compile from source [10:31] <kemik> !tell cohonen about mplayer [10:31] <knowledge> guys, I'm trying to access http://www.prohopper.com (after installing flash) and now it won't load...it hangs at 'transfering data from...' [10:31] <f_newton> CurtinDaVern, do you know what chipset/driver it uses? [10:31] <knowledge> can anything be done about this? [10:32] <CurtinDaVern> f_newton: can I pm ya? [10:32] <f_newton> I guess [10:32] <Heijmen> knowledge: site works for me (flash and all) [10:32] <CurtinDaVern> f_newton: just easier for me to keep up as I have a mental illness and I'd appreciate it [10:32] <knowledge> Heijmen, damn...that sucks [10:32] <CurtinDaVern> if it's ok? [10:33] <hs> cohonen: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer [10:33] <f_newton> ok fine [10:33] <kemik> knowledge: works here aswell [10:33] <knowledge> so something definately wrong on my end [10:33] <achilles__> Can anyone help me with my scsi problem? [10:33] <knowledge> just when I need to place an order for my car....this blows [10:33] <knowledge> anyone know what can be done? [10:33] <kemik> knowledge: try other flashsites, perhaps that site is just inaccessible to your ISP at the moment [10:33] <catolh> Does anyone have any experience in getting Tv out to work properly with an ATI card? I've installed the latest fglrx drivers from ati.com. And i get a clone image on my Monitor and my TV. But my real problem is that i dont get any Video on the tv-screen with mplayer, I've also tried to set my "second monitor" to primary in the ATI control panel that was included in the fglrx package, but it reverts to default if i restart X (It tell's me to [10:33] <catolh> restart X). Im pretty lost here right now, and i hope one of you guys could lead me in the right direction. [10:34] <chadz> dint help..dont see any new resolutions [10:34] <knowledge> aha [10:34] <knowledge> kemik, would that cause firefox to stop responding? [10:34] <spanglesontoast> is there a place where things get stored before they get deleted [10:35] <spanglesontoast> or if you delete them with rm using root [10:35] <spanglesontoast> are they gone forever? [10:35] <aias_> spanglesontoast, no, they are history [10:35] <icewt> chadz, hm.. the resolutions you added are still in the config file? [10:35] <kemik> knowledge: no ;) that seems to be something else... restarted firefox ? [10:35] <spanglesontoast> *************! [10:35] <knowledge> kemik, more than enough times [10:35] <chadz> /etc/...? hehe [10:35] <kemik> knowledge: remove the flashplugin adn firefox and try again ? [10:36] <icewt> chadz, etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:36] <chadz> ty [10:37] <aias_> spanglesontoast, you can try unmounting that partition NOW; then reading about recover and e2undel [10:38] <aias_> spanglesontoast, they didn't work for me, but maybe they will for you if you avoid any changes to that partition [10:38] <cohonen> thx hs [10:38] <wajokki> some one speak finnish? [10:39] <levander> "On the fly burning" means that the application doesn't create an iso image on your hard disk before burning it to your cd? [10:39] <chadz> Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" still there [10:39] <icewt> wajokki, mene #ubuntu-fi [10:39] <icewt> chadz, well then, you could always try to restart your whole computer. don't know whether it makes any difference. [10:39] <chadz> restart comp? [10:39] <chadz> heh [10:39] <chadz> ok [10:39] <icewt> :) [10:40] <levander> Do I have to format a DVD-R before I write data to it? [10:40] <spanglesontoast> nope [10:40] <spanglesontoast> gonna start from a fresh [10:41] <levander> spanglesontoast: you talking to me? [10:42] <spanglesontoast> no [10:42] <spanglesontoast> aias [10:42] <knowledge> kem [10:43] <f_newton> hit the wrong button [10:43] <knowledge> kemik, I got the site working, but can you go to it and tell me if you see the text in the corner (bottom left) where it says "ride of the day"? [10:43] <kemik> knowledge: i didnt [10:43] <knowledge> you didn't see the text? [10:43] <f_newton> Razor-X is pretty sharp CurtinDaVern [10:43] <CurtinDaVern> f_newton: ty [10:44] <f_newton> for a kde userw [10:44] <levander> Anybody know a dvd burning application that burns "on the fly"? [10:44] <f_newton> lol [10:44] <CurtinDaVern> no pun intended ;) [10:44] <Heijmen> levander: k3b? [10:44] <kemik> knowledge: Ride of the day i see, but no more in that bo [10:44] <kemik> knowledge: box [10:44] <knowledge> kemik, cool...thanks... [10:44] <levander> Heijmen: how about one I don't have to load all the kde libraries for? [10:44] <chad> damn..didnt help [10:44] <levander> Heijmen: on the fly burning means that it doesn't right an iso to your hard disk before burning it to the dvd? [10:45] <gehel2> levander, right ! [10:45] <chad> hmm.. i havent downloaded any drivers from nvidia.com tho.. [10:45] <chad> do i have to? [10:46] <levander> gehel2: know an application for ubuntu that does on the fly burning? I'd really rather not use k3b so I don't have to load all the kde libraries. [10:46] <Heijmen> levander: gnomebaker? [10:46] <gehel2> levander, should I assume you want a graphical front end ? [10:47] <levander> Heijmen: I'm getting errors from gnomebaker saying "files to big" when I select the files I want to burn. I think it thinks I want to burn a CD and not a DVD. It's restrict the size to DVD size limits. [10:47] <gehel2> levander, there is xcdroast, but I think it does only audio cds [10:47] <levander> gehel2: yeah, for what I'm doing now, definitely want a GUI [10:47] <Heijmen> how big's the file? [10:48] <levander> Heijmen: wanna burn 4.3 GB. I've done it with nautilus, but waiting for it to make a temporary iso just takes so long. [10:48] <gehel2> levander, there is something like gtoaster, or gnome toaster ... but I usually burn from command line ... [10:49] <Heijmen> levander: i don't use gnomebaker myself so not sure why it doesn't accept it :( [10:49] <gehel2> levander, if it's just burning one file, it's probably easier to do it from CL [10:50] <levander> gehel2: I may just do that. cdrecord though, from what I understand doesn't burn to dvds. And there are a few different packages you can install to burn dvds. You know which one is best? [10:50] <levander> gehel2: not, it's 7 directories and 7 text files. I gotta do this about 12 times. [10:50] <kemik> f_newton: filezilla is for windows only! using cxoffice to get it working ? [10:50] <samu> can somebody recommend a nice editor for working with ruby? [10:50] <MagiPink> Maybe it would love me again if I put out. xD [10:50] <f_newton> egads! [10:51] <levander> gehel2: dvd+rw-tools? dvdrtools? [10:51] <f_newton> things have changed... [10:51] <gehel2> levander, than go for CL ! you can even write a for loop to do it 12 times in a row ... [10:51] <levander> samu: check if blueflish does that [10:51] <gehel2> levander, I use dvd+rw-tools [10:51] <levander> gehel2: yeah, i'll be able to figure out the command line if you know which dvd writing tool is the best [10:51] <MagiPink> I don't know if thise will help... but when I did plog, it said it couldn't raise the MTU and MRU to 1500 a bunch of times or something... and that the PAP authentication failed. :3 [10:52] <gehel2> samu, emacs or vi ! [10:52] <MrMaDSeN> my audio wont work.... soundcard I mean any suggestions [10:52] <levander> gehel2: you read around and decided on dvd+rw-tools? or, just went ahead and tried it? [10:52] <samu> gehel2, so which one is better? :) [10:52] <barkley> samu: jedit has a pretty good ruby plugin [10:53] <barkley> samu: it actually uses the jruby parser so it has some structure outlining and a little code completion [10:53] <gehel2> levander, just lemme check, I might in fact use dvdrtools [10:53] <levander> samu: that's a religious debate [10:53] <levander> gehel2: something tells me you really don't care much which is better.... [10:53] <chad> does nvidia drivers install with ubuntu install or synaptic? [10:53] <Raptoid> selamlar [10:53] <icewt> chad, you could try http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver [10:54] <gehel2> levander, your right, I just picked one and assumed they are mostly equivalents (which is probably right) [10:54] <oni> hi [10:54] <levander> samu: really though, vi and emacs are kind of advanced to program in. I'd look and see if bluefish has ruby support. [10:54] <oni> hey gotta question, where I can get Java JRE? [10:54] <gehel2> levander, I think they are both a fork of cdrecord [10:54] <kemik> !tell oni about java [10:55] <levander> gehel2: yeah, some packages I download and start using have more bugs than others though. And, then like trying to burn discs, finding out that some of these are making me wait real long with it writes a temporary iso to the hard disk. [10:55] <Kyral> !java [10:55] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added. [10:55] <kemik> levander: ViM / gvim has syntaxhighlightning [10:55] <Kyral> Ahh! NCurses based installers [10:55] <Kyral> Simple yet functional! [10:56] <kemik> samu: gvim ! [10:56] <kemik> Kyral: indeed [10:56] <levander> kemik: yeah, but I wouldn't have a newb program in vi. It gets so tedious trying to figure out what all the commands are when you're trying to figure out a programming language at the same time. [10:56] <MagiPink> Well, I don't know what to do now... Oh well. :3 Thanks all~ [10:56] <Kyral> though the last time I invoked the UT2k4 installer, it popped up this GUI one, but ths time the NCurses [10:56] <f_newton> hang on a second kemik let me look for something... I thought it was filezilla Iused to use [10:56] <Heijmen> samu: scite has ruby support [10:57] <gehel2> levander, I actually use growisofs ... I think to remember it had easier syntax [10:57] <Kyral> and HOLY COW! Slack is coming out with a new subversion?! [10:57] <levander> gehel2: does growisofs do the same thing as mkisofs? or, does it do the same thing as cdrecord? [10:57] <oni> thanks [10:57] <gehel2> levander, both at the same time ! [10:58] <levander> Kyral: who is slack? [10:58] <f_newton> kemik, http://gftp.seul.org/ [10:58] <levander> gehel2: that is nice! [10:58] <Kyral> levander, Slackware Linux [10:58] <levander> gehel2: it burns to dvds? [10:58] <kemik> f_newton: aah, tried that one, no ssl-support :( [10:58] <avadash> hey newly installed ubuntu has no sound.... [10:58] <avadash> :( [10:58] <gehel2> levander, yes it does. I use it for automated backups [10:58] <Kyral> !esd [10:58] <ubotu> methinks esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously. [10:58] <MrMaDSeN> avadash: i got same problem [10:58] <levander> gehel2: that's exactly what I've been looking for!!!! [10:59] <LinuxJones> avadash, what kind of soundcard do you have ? [10:59] <Kyral> ...someone make an entry in Ubotu that tells how to kill ESD [10:59] <avadash> creative soundblaster 24bit live. [10:59] <levander> gehel2: I come in here bitching about cdrecord every damn day, don't know why someone didn't recommend alternative [10:59] <levander> gehel2: ticks me off nobody told me about that earlier. [11:00] <gehel2> levander, I think ubuntu users are not the most CL efficient ... It's such a nice distro ;-) [11:00] <f_newton> kemik, and here too... http://linuxreviews.org/software/ftp-clients/ [11:00] <MagiPink> I guess I'll have to reinstall Ubuntu. o.O [11:00] <gehel2> avadash, if you type "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" do you hear garbadge sound ? [11:01] <oni> what do you recommend for PPC, IBM Java or Blackdown Java? [11:01] <gehel2> oni, SUN JDK [11:01] <gehel2> oni, if possible 1.5 [11:02] <oni> gehel2, but I have two options, IBM or Blackdown, is for PPC [11:02] <samu> Heijmen, yeah, but can scite autoindent my code? [11:02] <kemik> f_newton: thx :) [11:02] <avadash> it says access denied when i try to play it [11:02] <gehel2> oni, sorry, I missed that one. Than go for blackdown, unless you are developping and want the supppper fast jikes compiler [11:03] <oni> thanks [11:03] <gehel2> avadash, than you should check the permissions on /dev/dsp [11:03] <gregg_> is anyone working on speeding up the installation process of ubuntu? [11:03] <avadash> ok... [11:03] <oni> How do I install from a .bin file? [11:03] <avadash> cant i just su? [11:03] <avadash> but i type in password and it sayts denied [11:04] <gehel2> avadash, the quick and dirty trick would be to run "chmod a+rw /dev/dsp" as root [11:04] <blahblah> avadash: u have to give a root pw for su first [11:04] <f_newton> kemik are you running gnome or kde? [11:04] <avadash> what is default root pass? [11:04] <LinuxJones> avadash, this might help >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 [11:04] <blahblah> avadash: there is none, see LinuxJones [11:04] <Heijmen> samu: not that i know of [11:04] <LinuxJones> avadash, sorry I took so long to reply [11:05] <avadash> its ok [11:05] <blahblah> avadash: u can use [11:05] <f_newton> well I have to go get some thing to eat. I am hungry [11:05] <oni> avadash, you should be able to change de password of the root at anytime [11:05] <blahblah> avadash: sudo -s [11:05] <f_newton> I will probably be back later as I have nothing constructive to do [11:05] <holycow> bah [11:05] <holycow> my sound issue was that new bios now require onboard audio chipset to be enabled manually [11:05] <holycow> weird [11:05] <holycow> heh [11:06] <avadash> yes!!!! thx blah blah it worked! [11:06] <avadash> blahblah: it worked! [11:07] <oni> how do I install from a bin file? [11:07] <brokenbox> anyone have any tips on combining the upper and lower gnome bars into just 1? [11:08] <oni> brokenbox: configure the panel direction [11:08] <gehel2> oni, chmod a+x <file.bin> ; ./<file.bin> [11:08] <oni> both up or down [11:08] <levander> gehel2: the growisofs (which is a part of dvd+rw-tools) says that nautilus is actually using dvd+rw-tools on the backend. [11:08] <levander> gehel2: Does growisofs do "on the fly" burning? [11:08] <oni> gehel2 thanks [11:09] <brokenbox> oni, will that let me combine them, and where is that accessed? [11:09] <gehel2> levander, on the fly yes. didnt understand the first part ... [11:09] <wdh> what would be a good program to burn a .cue/.bin image? [11:09] <MartenH> lo all [11:09] <oni> brokenbox: Right click on the panel - Properties [11:10] <kemik> MartenH: gftp seem to have ssl support if you compile it from source (not apt-get it) [11:10] <brokenbox> i can put them both at the bottom, but that doesnt combine them into one :( [11:10] <oni> wdh: k3b ? [11:11] <levander> gehel2: the first part was just saying that nautilus uses dvd+rw-tools on the back-end to burn dvd's [11:11] <TheSham> I've been following this wiki on installing ndiswrapper, and all has went well until I got to this command: sed -e "s/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp [11:11] <gehel2> levander, OK, thx [11:11] <MartenH> kemik, really? Interesting! I don't know if I dare get into combiling again, just went trhrough hell compiling a driver.. did manage to get it working in the end though =) [11:11] <levander> gehel2: so, if growisofs does "on the fly" burning, and nautilus uses growisofs on the back end, should nautilus do on the fly burning? [11:11] <TheSham> Does anyone know what that command SHOULD be? It's completely wrong. [11:11] <pestilence> does anybody know of a good vncviewer that properly handles fullscreen in KDE and doesn't get confused when you accidently hit alt+tab? [11:11] <oni> brokenbox: you could make the bottom panel larger and add the upper panel's applets down the others [11:12] <kemik> MartenH: compiling drivers is way different from just compiling a small app ;) [11:12] <gehel2> levander, not necessarly [11:12] <wdh> oni, i hoped for a program that wouldnt need 40 mb of kdelibs et al [11:12] <brokenbox> oni, yeah i figured it out. thanks alot! [11:12] <ubuntu_> does apt-get install -c <package> install from cache only? [11:13] <ubuntu_> i remeber using that on other distros with apt [11:13] <oni> wdh: I don't know how to make it in Gnome [11:13] <ubuntu_> er -C [11:13] <MartenH> kemik, have you tried it? (gftp with ssl i mean) [11:13] <ubuntu_> cap [11:13] <kemik> MartenH: im going to now, either gftp or iglooftp [11:13] <oni> wdh: I think there is some package called xnero in Universe [11:13] <ubuntu_> does apt-get install -C <package> install from cache only? [11:13] <ubuntu_> i remeber using that on other distros with apt [11:14] <psi-> does anyone know any fix for XOrg/breezy AltGr breakage? [11:15] <MartenH> kemik, ok, then I'll let you play guineepig and you can report back to me when you're done =) [11:15] <nelsongs> anybody knows if intel 915GM works with ubuntu now? [11:15] <nelsongs> i have an hp notebook dv4000 [11:15] <avadash> i download some thing called hoary that could fix my sound problem and all i get is a files called packages... no makefiles or anything [11:15] <wdh> oni, not in hoary/universe [11:16] <gehel2> kemik, just my own 2 cents, but I've had quite some troubles with igloo. Crashing all the time. gftp only crashed half of the time ... [11:16] <oni> wdh: have you added the Universe repositories? [11:16] <wdh> oni, yes [11:16] <MartenH> gehel2, lol, positive think there eh? :) [11:17] <oni> I've got no sound in VLC for GTK+ (ppc) [11:17] <littleworm> i have the logitech media keyboard and there are some "special" buttons that doesn't work, how can i configure it? [11:17] <oni> wdh: look for nero [11:17] <gehel2> MartenH, well, I still have to find a good ftp GUI. But I use scp most of the time so ... [11:17] <MartenH> littleworm, look into the hotkeys package [11:17] <MartenH> gehel2, does that have ssl support? [11:18] <wdh> oni, it is not in universe.. [11:18] <gehel2> MartenH, ??? [11:18] <ubuntu_> if i have somethng i cache how do i tell ubuntus apt to install from cache only and not download? [11:18] <Goodspeed> why does gnome have explicit access to my soundcard [11:18] <fng> set theme sux [11:18] <Goodspeed> and it locks everything out? [11:18] <littleworm> MartenH, thanks [11:19] <Kyral> how do I find out whats in my Path? [11:19] <LasseL> gehel2, I would think that nautilus can do both scp and ftp [11:19] <wdh> ubuntu_, it installs everything thats in cache.. and downlaods the rest [11:19] <MartenH> gehel2, ssl transfers, encrypted transfers... [11:19] <LasseL> gehel2, i am sure it does sftp anyways [11:19] <Goodspeed> umount: only root can unmount /dev/hda from /media/cdrom0 [11:19] <Goodspeed> eject: unmount of `/dev/hda' failed [11:19] <Goodspeed> can someone help me with this? [11:19] <wdh> ubuntu_, --no-download does exactly what you want [11:19] <om_> Goodspeed: esd/oss by default can only play one sound at a time [11:19] <gehel2> MartenH, scp is another protocol, related to ssh, so there is no SSL, but a pretty strong encryption [11:19] <Goodspeed> im using alsa [11:19] <Kyral> do a sudo in front of that [11:19] <om_> if you play with alsa you may be able to get it to play multiple sounds at once [11:19] <whitefang> is there an easy way to stop the printing service from running at startup? [11:19] <pestilence> Goodspeed: sudo eject ? [11:20] <Goodspeed> root@Godspeed:/media # sudo eject [11:20] <Goodspeed> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy [11:20] <Goodspeed> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy [11:20] <Goodspeed> eject: unmount of `/dev/hda' failed [11:20] <ptolo> Goodspeed, cd .. [11:20] <pestilence> Goodspeed: are you viewing the directory? [11:21] <Goodspeed> negative [11:21] <chad> Press 'Ctrl + Alt + Backspace' kills X.. but how do i get back in gnome again? [11:21] <oni> wdh: look documentation about gnomebaker [11:21] <MartenH> gehel2, oh ic, my bad. never heard of scp until now [11:21] <pestilence> Goodspeed: lsof |grep /media/cdrom0 [11:21] <Goodspeed> gam_serve 7760 mike 67r DIR 3,0 4096 6464 /media/cdrom0 [11:21] <om_> Goodspeed: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=678d29a40129a16de0a1305b33219501&t=26567 [11:21] <nophix> chad: doesn't X come back? [11:21] <MrMaDSeN> damn linux sound [11:21] <om_> sound^ [11:22] <oni> wdh: and gcombust [11:22] <file_> im having some trouble using rhythmbox [11:22] <gehel2> MartenH, scp is what everybody should use. more secured, more stable, closer to the TCP/IP specs ... [11:22] <MrMaDSeN> onboard audio on i915G chipset just wont work for me [11:22] <MartenH> gehel2, my problem is that I need to connect to a server running SSL so the choise isn't up to me. but I'll add scp to my list of things to learn more about :) [11:22] <nophix> chad: I mean the x login manager, gdm, xdm whatever you have [11:22] <pestilence> Goodspeed: how about kill 7760 [11:22] <MartenH> gehel2, more secure and stable in what way? compared to ssl and ssh [11:22] <chad> i get to console like login [11:23] <wdh> oni, are you just thinking of some programs.. or do you actually know something about them supporting .cue files? [11:23] <Goodspeed> pestilence you are todays winner [11:23] <chad> no gui login [11:23] <pestilence> ding ding ding [11:23] <pestilence> what do i win [11:23] <chad> also used : sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart [11:23] <Goodspeed> my ubuntu dvd [11:23] <pestilence> sweet. let me give you my address [11:23] <fizile> also device "default" is already in use [11:23] <ubuntu_> wdh: thanks :) [11:23] <hmrocha> hi [11:23] <nophix> chad: sure you're using gdm? startx? [11:24] <Zeroblitzt> Anyone know how I can make it so when I click on a Directory, it opens it in the same file viewer? The way it is now, when I click on say /home/knovak/foo/, it opens that directory in a new viewer... I want it in the same one [11:24] <hmrocha> i just installed breezy colony-2 from the cd, and it's all fucked up [11:24] <oni> wdh: I'm jumping around helping you [11:24] <chad> ill try [11:24] <wdh> oni, ok, thx for that :) [11:24] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: change it so it browses by default, it's in preferences [11:24] <wdh> i'll check the docs out.. [11:24] <hmrocha> i installed it in another partition because i have an hoary2breezy here [11:25] <Zeroblitzt> ok, will try [11:25] <Zeroblitzt> thanks [11:25] <hmrocha> i upgrades X and now i have all this fucked up too [11:25] <fizile> [ also device "default" is already in use] is the error i recieve when trying to play an mp3 in rhythmbox, any ideas here? [11:25] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: i believe it says "open in browser mode by default" or similar [11:25] <hmrocha> i deleted xorg.conf and did an dpkg-reconfigure to create a new one [11:25] <fizile> alsa my bad [11:25] <hmrocha> but X still doesn't work [11:25] <hmrocha> i know some people that have breezy working [11:25] <hmrocha> what can i do to make X work? [11:26] <nophix> why not ask those people? ;) [11:26] <om_> what happens when you try to start x? [11:26] <hmrocha> it tries to start the graphic mode, switches to text again, this is repeated 3 times i guess, then the system crashes [11:27] <lonelyzora> just for radomness who heard about what happend at the Boy Scout Nat'l Jamboree? [11:27] <om_> lonelyzora: I did [11:27] <wdh> oni, i'll just install k3b [11:27] <hmrocha> wdh: you can use graveman [11:27] <om_> hmrocha: you have something messed up somewhere, why not try a fresh install? [11:27] <lonelyzora> i was there didn't see it hapen tho [11:27] <abarbaccia> hey guys - what wiki do you think is the best? [11:27] <nelsongs> anybody here can help? [11:27] <hmrocha> om_: i did a fresh install of breezy colony-2 moments ago [11:28] <hmrocha> it's all fucked up [11:28] <gehel2> nelsongs, only if you ask a question ! [11:28] <om_> hmrocha: why not use hoary? [11:28] <wdh> hmrocha, it doesnt seem to support burning from cue/bin [11:28] <nelsongs> i have an hp notebook, intel 915gm graphics [11:28] <gehel2> abarbaccia, I use moinmoin, easy, light weight ugly [11:28] <nelsongs> it doesn't work [11:28] <hmrocha> om_: because breezy uses gtk2.8 [11:28] <Zeroblitzt> pestilence... which preferences is it in o_o [11:28] <gehel2> abarbaccia, I use moinmoin, easy, light weight, ugly [11:28] <Zeroblitzt> I went to Computer --> Desktop Preferences [11:29] <Zeroblitzt> --> File Management [11:29] <om_> yes, and? [11:29] <abarbaccia> gehel2, i dont want ugly tho [11:29] <gehel2> nelsongs, did you check if it is supported by xorg ? [11:29] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: open up nautilus-file-management-properties in a shell [11:29] <hmrocha> om_: and i want to try to use the new version of gnome [11:29] <Zeroblitzt> Didn't see anything about changing the folder behavior [11:29] <Zeroblitzt> oh, ok [11:29] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: it's under "Behavior" [11:29] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: "Always open in browser windows" [11:30] <nelsongs> gehe12: how can i check it? [11:30] <oni> How I can make totem plays DivX/Xvid files? [11:30] <pestilence> !tell oni about multimedia [11:30] <Zeroblitzt> Cool, much better pestilence... thanks [11:31] <pestilence> Zeroblitzt: np [11:31] <fizile> tell me about multimedia heh [11:31] <fizile> having some sound issues in rhythmbox [11:31] <keyes> hello [11:31] <nelsongs> gehel2, where can i check? [11:31] <hmrocha> i guess i'll have to wait for breezy colony-3 [11:31] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Hello gentlemen... [11:31] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Anyone knows something about an "HPPA" port of Ubuntu? [11:31] <keyes> why ubuntu don't have /sbin/nologin ?? [11:31] <dooonz> anyone know of a program to repair avi files??? [11:32] <PaveK> Hi people! I'm having troubles while enabling DMA on a DVD-RW Plextor PX-716A under Ubuntu 5.04... HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted [11:32] <DarkLight_CyBorg> I heard of that, but I can't find it. [11:32] <MartenH> dooonz, only for windows [11:32] <gehel2> nelsongs, go to the xorg website and dig in (sorry, I'm not very user friendly, but I dont know more) [11:32] <dooonz> there has to be one for linux [11:33] <gehel2> DarkLight_CyBorg, why use ubuntu on a HPPA ? [11:33] <nelsongs> gehel2: i can see some that they've worked on the intel 915 on theirs [11:33] <nophix> PaveK: you did it with sudo? [11:33] <nelsongs> gehel2: but mine didn't [11:33] <PaveK> nophix -> well, from root account [11:33] <DarkLight_CyBorg> I want to test other distro apart from Gentoo or Debian. [11:34] <Hoxzer> can I somehow check how fast im currently uploading? [11:34] <gehel2> nelsongs, than i'm probably not of much help. I've never been a big X freek ... [11:34] <DarkLight_CyBorg> And, Ubuntu had a lot of good feedack lately, and so I heard they had an HPPA port. [11:34] <MartenH> getting set up and used to ubuntu is kind of like re-inventing the wheel... finding out how to do things I know by hand in windows. I like it though, great new set of wheels, and awsome rims :) [11:34] <gehel2> Hoxzer, iptraf [11:34] <nophix> PaveK: not other errors than that? [11:34] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Oh, well... And I have an old HP APollo 9000 I want under Linux. [11:35] <nelsongs> alright, then anybody else? [11:35] <PaveK> nophix -> /dev/dvd: [11:35] <PaveK> setting using_dma to 1 (on) [11:35] <PaveK> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted [11:35] <PaveK> using_dma = 0 (off) [11:35] <gehel2> DarkLight_CyBorg, that's a good reason. But i dont know of a port ... [11:35] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Hmm... [11:35] <Goodspeed> root@Godspeed:/media/cdrom1# ./linux-installer.sh [11:35] <Goodspeed> bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied [11:36] <Goodspeed> ...help [11:36] <gehel2> PaveK, are u root ? [11:36] <Goodspeed> lol [11:36] <whitefang> how do i get java to work in firefox? [11:36] <deprave_> anyone know how to force a cdrom to umount? [11:36] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Well, if you don't know about, I guess it's just hype... [11:36] <gehel2> Goodspeed, there's probably noexec in /etc/fstab [11:36] <nophix> gehel2: he is [11:36] <deprave_> mike@splinter:~$ sudo umount /media/cdrom [11:36] <deprave_> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy [11:36] <deprave_> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy [11:36] <Goodspeed> what does that mean [11:36] <DarkLight_CyBorg> ... Or a port thats in a very early stage. [11:36] <deprave_> nothing is using it [11:36] <gehel2> deprave_, lsof | grep /dev/cdrom [11:36] <Goodspeed> deprave i just had that problem [11:36] <nophix> PaveK: i had that problem too, and i had to modprobe the right module for my motherboardchipset [11:37] <PaveK> gehel2 -> yes, from root [11:37] <mbirkis> hello... i have a usb tv card from msi, and when i plugged it in it appeared in the "Device Manager" as a "Unknown (0x2800)" device... what do i need to do to get it to work? [11:37] <canibal> como agrego un tema con superkaramba? [11:37] <PaveK> I have a DFI NF2ULtra with nForce2 ultra chipset [11:37] <Hoxzer> gehel2: -bash: iptraf: command not found [11:37] <oni> Hoary-extras is a repositorie? [11:37] <nophix> PaveK: this thread helped me, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47394&highlight=HDIO_SET_DMA+failed [11:37] <Goodspeed> gehel what were you tlaking about with the noexec? [11:37] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Thank you anyway, Gehel2... ;-) [11:37] <gehel2> mbirkis, not that many TV card are supported, did you check if it is ? [11:37] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Good bye! [11:37] <canibal> como agrego un tema con superkaramba? [11:38] <deprave_> root@splinter:/home/mike/.Trash # lsof | grep /dev/cdrom [11:38] <deprave_> root@splinter:/home/mike/.Trash # [11:38] <nophix> PaveK: you can try with "hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/hdX" too if you want [11:38] <mbirkis> gehel2, nope... it is a tvcard i got from a friend, i am just testing if i could get it to work... [11:38] <PaveK> nophix -> trying right now... [11:38] <gehel2> Goodspeed, the device is mounted with noexec. That means that you are not allowed to exec any file on it. try to type "mount" [11:38] <canibal> alguien que hable espaol? [11:39] <MartenH> canibal, #ubuntu-es [11:39] <raDeon> no. [11:39] <DarkLight_CyBorg> Canibal: Me temo que nadie mas que yo habla espaol ac. [11:39] <mbirkis> gehel2, does it work with ndiswrapper maybe? [11:39] <PaveK> /dev/dvd: [11:39] <PaveK> setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1 [11:39] <PaveK> setting using_dma to 1 (on) [11:39] <PaveK> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted [11:39] <PaveK> IO_support = 1 (32-bit) [11:39] <PaveK> using_dma = 0 (off) [11:39] <raDeon> DarkLight_CyBorg, don't encourage him [11:39] <spanglesontoast> back :D [11:39] <deprave_> anyone know how force my cdrom to unmount? [11:39] <canibal> sabes ocupar el superkaramba? [11:39] <Goodspeed> ok some stuff came up but theen i typed ./program and it returned the same error [11:39] <nophix> PaveK: ok, look at the link i gave you then [11:39] <gehel2> mbirkis, I dont know, you'll have to google a bit ... sorry [11:40] <mbirkis> gehel2, no problem... will read abit [11:40] <hubsi> what ubuntu do i have to use? [11:40] <oni> como que nadie habla espaol? [11:40] <oni> canibal, necesitas ayuda con superkaramba? [11:40] <joe_t> is it possible to unintsall things like libesd0 _without_ removing ubuntu-desktop ? [11:40] <gehel2> Goodspeed, yep, it wouldnt have changed any thing. but could you paste the line with /dev/cdrom in it ? [11:40] <socomm> oni: /join #ubuntu-es [11:40] <pestilence> hubsi: use hoary [11:40] <avadash> gehel: PM [11:40] <oni> sorry :D [11:40] <deprave_> anyone know how force my cdrom to unmount? [11:40] <canibal> siiiii necesito toda la ayuda posible [11:41] <deprave_> jaja [11:41] <pestilence> deprave_: why won't it unmount? [11:41] <nophix> deprave_: umount -f maybe? [11:41] <deprave_> pestilence i don't know [11:41] <Goodspeed> this one? /dev/hdb on /media/cdrom1 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=mike) [11:41] <PaveK> nophix -> I'm reading... :) [11:41] <pestilence> deprave_: what does it tell you? [11:41] <deprave_> mike@splinter:~$ sudo umount -f /media/cdrom [11:41] <deprave_> umount2: Device or resource busy [11:41] <deprave_> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy [11:41] <deprave_> root@splinter:/home/mike/.Trash # lsof | grep /dev/cdrom [11:41] <deprave_> root@splinter:/home/mike/.Trash # [11:41] <oni> canibal, /join #ubuntu-es [11:41] <pestilence> deprave_: lsof |grep /media/cdrom0 [11:41] <pestilence> you don't want to grep for /dev/cdrom [11:42] <hubsi> could someone say me what theis breezy means? [11:42] <pestilence> it opens the mount point, not the device [11:42] <deprave_> pestilence: nothing [11:42] <joachim> hello [11:42] <deprave_> oh media [11:42] <levander> If an iso on the filesystem is less than 4.7 GB, do you know that it will fit on a DVD disc? I just know that if you look at regular files on the filesystem and add their size, you can only get like 4.3 GB on a disc. Because the DVD filesystem takes some space. [11:42] <deprave_> sorry [11:42] <spanglesontoast> erm [11:42] <gehel2> Goodspeed, yep. you see the "noexec". now either copy the file you try to execute to another partition or edit /etc/fstab, remove the noexec and remount the CD [11:42] <spanglesontoast> why do I get weird xml errors with firefox? [11:42] <joachim> how do I get a list of all things in a folder that start with a dot? "ls .*" seems to do subdirectories too [11:42] <deprave_> what's gam serv? [11:42] <deprave_> what's gam_serv? [11:42] <Goodspeed> gedit /etc/fstab [11:42] <spanglesontoast> ah [11:42] <spanglesontoast> dw [11:42] <Goodspeed> right? [11:43] <pestilence> joachim: ls -ld .* ? [11:43] <gehel2> Goodspeed, right [11:43] <hubsi> could someone say me what theis breezy means? [11:43] <Goodspeed> what am i looking for in the folder [11:43] <Goodspeed> i dont see noexec [11:43] <pestilence> hubsi: breezy = unstable = don't use [11:43] <levander> hubsi: breezy is the next release of ubuntu. The current one is hoary. [11:43] <avadash> ist here a package that installs kde to ubuntu? [11:43] <PaveK> nophix -> do I need to phisically reboot the machine to get the modify work? [11:43] <avadash> i like kde better than gnome [11:44] <pestilence> avadash: kubuntu-desktop [11:44] <nophix> PaveK: i would recommend it actually :) [11:44] <PaveK> ok, rebooting ^_^ [11:44] <D1> kinda amazes me how breezy is supposed to be done by october [11:44] <hubsi> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso <- this one is hoary ? [11:44] <D1> seems really unstable now. [11:45] <pestilence> hubsi: yes [11:45] <MrMaDSeN> damn I going to bed... screw that sound... [11:45] <hubsi> thanks [11:45] <dishfish> Bith are good, though gnome is a bit memory-friendly. Have you tried "Enlightenment" [11:45] <gehel2> Goodspeed, right, it's done by the automounter ... than just copy the file somewhere else, that's the easiest [11:45] <kemik> hubsi: looks like the right versionnumber [11:45] <joachim> thanks pestilence [11:45] <dishfish> yo can update it from the "universe" in synaptic [11:45] <pestilence> joachim: np [11:45] <Goodspeed> you mean like get rid of it? [11:45] <mrknisely> Need some help with a wireless card install... [11:46] <dishfish> ...and in standard buntu, KDE is also available in the Universe section. [11:46] <gehel2> mrknisely, what's the prob ? [11:46] <mrknisely> I've got a Sonicwall card which I've compiled the hostap drivers for. [11:46] <hubsi> but, i have a problem.. when i use this "update program" and restart the system, ubuntu says "couldn't start X ... /etc/X not executable" [11:47] <Hikaru79> I'm so confused by audio in ubuntu. Can someone tell me straight and clear -- what should I be using, esound, arts, alsa, polypaudio, jackd?? And prefferably a link to some sort of guide explaining how to set up the daemon [11:47] <mrknisely> Compile went fine, but when I insert the card, syslog says that it is an unsupported card. [11:47] <mrknisely> I'm sure this is a simple rtfm thing, but I'm just not seeing it. [11:47] <gehel2> Hikaru79, welcome to the wonderfull world of free choice ! [11:47] <avadash> pestilence: waht is kubuntu-desktop [11:47] <barkley> what's the difference between colony 1 and colony 2? [11:48] <mbirkis> is it possible to rebuild a .deb from i386 to amd64 in a "easy" way? [11:48] <gehel2> mrknisely, it's probably not that easy ... WiFi is not all that well supported under linux [11:48] <dishfish> artas is an audio manager, alsa is a driver set... but Ubuntu should have OSS by default as a snd driver collection [11:48] <pestilence> avadash: it's kde for ubuntu [11:48] <avadash> pestilence: it that the apt-get package name? [11:49] <mrknisely> gehel2: should be simple as this hardware gets this driver. I'm guessing somewhere in modules... I'm just not a linux hardware guy. [11:49] <dishfish> so alsa should be recommendable only if you know what you're doing or if you have some exotic hardware that's not include in the standard set [11:49] <pestilence> avadash: yes [11:49] <avadash> thx [11:49] <hubsi> is there somewhere a german ubuntu help chan in this network? [11:49] <gehel2> mrknisely, what's the exact error message (I'm not a hardware guy either :-( [11:49] <dishfish> you can also get KDE with Synaptic by enabling the "universe" repository" [11:49] <dooonz> i have a library that needs to be installed how do i go about?? the file is libborqt-6.9-qt2.3.so [11:49] <pestilence> hubsi: did you try #ubuntu-de? [11:50] <gehel2> hubsi, das weiss ich nicht ... [11:50] <hubsi> it works :D [11:50] <asdfDiplomats> hey [11:50] <mrknisely> Aug 3 17:50:08 localhost cardmgr[6490] : unsupported card in socket 0 [11:50] <mrknisely> Aug 3 17:50:08 localhost cardmgr[6490] : product info: "SonicWALL", "Long Range Wireless Card", "ISL37100P", "1.0" [11:50] <mrknisely> Aug 3 17:50:08 localhost cardmgr[6490] : manfid: 0x000b, 0x7100 function: 6 (network) [11:50] <Hikaru79> gehel, I don't like choice ;_; Someone please order me around!! [11:50] <pestilence> surprise surprise ;) [11:50] <Hikaru79> ;) [11:50] <asdfDiplomats> how do you get rdp to work in ubuntu [11:50] <gehel2> sorry all, gotta go to bed ... [11:50] <Sputn1k> Why when linux starting i get this "mount: 'ntfs' unknown file system" [11:50] <gehel2> bye [11:51] <pestilence> asdfDiplomats: in kde, krdc? [11:51] <asdfDiplomats> how do you get rdp to work in ubuntu [11:51] <asdfDiplomats> yup [11:51] <_olaf> what's a good mounting GUI app? [11:51] <Sputn1k> ive added [11:51] <mrknisely> asdfDiplmats: RDP client or server? A client is available in Internet called "Terminal Server Client" It also does VNC. [11:51] <benkong2> does shorewall have a GUI? [11:51] <asdfDiplomats> in default~ i am a newbee [11:51] <asdfDiplomats> client [11:52] <hmrocha> om_, it's working now [11:52] <asdfDiplomats> found it, i love you!!!!!!!!! [11:52] <asdfDiplomats> btw i love all of you, and this linux [11:52] <hmrocha> i did an apt-get install xwindow-system-core, xwindow-system and xfonts-base [11:52] <fizile> anyone expierence with rhythmbox ? [11:52] <mrknisely> asdfDiplomats: Careful, my wife might get jealous. [11:52] <benkong2> does shorewall have a GUI? [11:52] <flodine> hello yall [11:52] <hmrocha> fizile, what do you need? [11:52] <pestilence> benkong2: doubtful [11:53] <linlin> benkong2, there are frontends you can use [11:53] <benkong2> pestilence; ok [11:53] <linlin> benkong2, such as webmin [11:53] <asdfDiplomats> o i have another problem [11:53] <fizile> hmrocha, im having trouble listening to music, i got the program to recognize mp3 format, but it wont give me and sound [11:53] <benkong2> ok so install apache, webmin and then do the firewall thingy [11:53] <Bryan29556> Anyone know how to play .avi files [11:53] <Sputn1k> ive added this /dev/hda2 /media/windows ntfs nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0 in fstab, but when linux starting i get this "unable to mount: 'ntfs' unknown file system" My win partition are on ntfs system [11:53] <Hikaru79> fizile, is anythign else using your soundcard? [11:53] <mbirkis> ok... i have a tv-card that i think is supported in linux... the driver to use is saa7114 <-- what do i do to test if that works? [11:53] <linlin> webmin doesnt need apache [11:54] <jazzanova_> hi [11:54] <fizile> well what do you mean, like at the same moment, or ever [11:54] <Hikaru79> Sputn1k, sounds like you don't have NTFS drivers installed. [11:54] <jazzanova_> how can i reconfigure my clock ? [11:54] <benkong2> thanks [11:54] <fizile> i use xmms as well, through my sound card, and it will play normally [11:54] <hmrocha> fizile, what did you do to make it recognize the mp3 format? [11:54] <Sputn1k> Hikaru79 manualy i can mount it [11:54] <linlin> np [11:54] <ironmc> I can't seem to access any of my CDROM or floppy drives with the file manager or from the terminal - any ideas?? [11:54] <Sputn1k> bot on fstab= no [11:54] <jazzanova_> i need to set the correct timezone onmy clock. how do i do it ? [11:54] <Hikaru79> Sputn1k, try: sudo apt-get install libntfs5 ntfsprogs [11:54] <pestilence> mbirkis: did you try "modprobe saa7114" ? [11:54] <fizile> hmrocha, i installed the gstreamer mp3 package through my synaptic [11:55] <Bryan29556> anyone know how to play .avi files [11:55] <hmrocha> fizile, install gstreamer0.8-mad [11:55] <fizile> yeah i did this. [11:55] <pestilence> !tell Bryan29556 about multimedia [11:55] <hmrocha> fizile, close rhythmbox and open it again [11:55] <fizile> it will play the music, but only through my onboard sound and not through my soundcard [11:55] <fizile> ive opened and closed it numerous times now [11:55] <Hikaru79> fizile, did you follow ubuntuguide's advice on configuring esound? [11:56] <hmrocha> fizile, i can't help you then [11:56] <mbirkis> pestilence, i did the modprobe, what now? [11:56] <Sputn1k> Hikaru79 it didint help, on my new kernel ntfs dont works :/ [11:56] <fizile> Hikaru79, ill check that out now thanks, i hadnt before since it was working fine for xmms [11:56] <Hikaru79> fizile: [11:56] <Hikaru79> fizile Hikaru79, ill check that out now thanks, i hadnt before since it was working fine for xmms [11:56] <Hikaru79> Oops [11:56] <Hikaru79> Bad paste ^_^; [11:56] <Hikaru79> Here, fizile: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly [11:57] <Raf99> anyone have any resolution issues with ubuntu ? ( i'm using a kvm switch also ) [11:57] <Hikaru79> Sputnlk, hmm... what exactle does it say when you do: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp ? [11:57] <pestilence> mbirkis: you could type "dmesg" and see what effect that had [11:57] <Hikaru79> (replace the mount dirs with your own, obviusly) [11:58] <Raf99> i disconnected the monitor cable yesterday , re-connected and booted up, which allowed me todo 1280x1024, etc. But the next reboot now only allows 640X480 [11:58] <whitefang> what's ubuntu-backports? [11:58] <mbirkis> pestilence, thnx, you are very helpful [11:58] <pestilence> mbirkis: np [11:58] <Hikaru79> whitefang, a repository of additional packages for those who aren't satisfied with hoary's selection. [11:58] <hmrocha> oh my god!!!! [11:58] <hmrocha> is file browser the default operation mode? [11:58] <hmrocha> (in breezy) [11:59] <whitefang> but it also has updated packages? [11:59] <Hikaru79> whitefang, yes, a lot of them. [11:59] <Hikaru79> whitefang , they have their own section in the forums. Go check it out there. [11:59] <mbirkis> pestilence, i can't find any messages in dmesg about the modprobe saa7114 [11:59] <whitefang> i'm doing a dist-upgrade, and it's installing a bp version of the same version of firefox [11:59] <whitefang> Hikaru79, are they generally stable? [12:00] <whitefang> and what forum should i check? [12:00] <Hikaru79> whitefang, they've recently become an official repository. So, yes.

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.721066

2005-08-08-#ubuntu-devel

[12:38] <jordi> can anyone here confirm liblaunchpad-integrration is GPL? [12:39] <lexhider> seems so, check /usr/share/doc [12:39] <Seveas> Where can i find the specification of the changelog format? [12:40] <Seveas> Or isn't that format all that strict? [12:40] <ogra> Seveas, probably the debian policy docs [12:40] <ogra> (i have no link) [12:40] <Seveas> but no luck yet in finding anything [12:41] <ogra> but its pretty strict, vim shows wrong lines instantly, there must be a spec [12:41] <mdz> jordi: debian/copyright [12:43] <jordi> mdz: this box is Debian [12:43] <jordi> the Broken OS [12:44] <mdz> jordi: apt-get source launchpad-integration [12:44] <mdz> baz get jamesh@..../... [12:45] <jordi> ooh, that baz thing :P [12:46] <mdz> jordi: get used to it :-P [12:46] <dholbach> ok pals, i'm off to bed - see you around [12:47] <jordi> yeah man [02:49] <infinity> Kamion : libdebian-installer fails on ia64 because ia64 doesn't support -gstabs (for reference, neither for ppc64, so that'll fail if/when it ever becomes a supported debian/ubuntu build target) [02:50] <infinity> Kamion : s/neither for/neither does/ [02:50] <elmo> what the heck is using stabs? [02:50] <elmo> stabs is so fucking 60s [02:53] <bddebian> elmo: Can I get white-listed for kate notifications? [02:53] <infinity> Only if you get her name right. [02:53] <infinity> Poor thing. [02:53] <bddebian> ? [02:54] <elmo> bddebian: yeah, you're in the whitelist locally; I'll sync it tomorrow [02:54] <elmo> bddebian: it's katie, not kate [02:54] <bddebian> Oh, OK, thank you [02:54] <bddebian> Ohhh katie, sorry [03:01] <glick> hello [03:01] <bddebian> Hello glick [03:02] <glick> excuse me, twice now, i have tried to backport wxpython2.6.3 to hoary and after like an hour and a half of building i get a segmentation fault when it processes the tex files and tries to convert them to html [03:02] <glick> and it of course deletes the entire build tree that it created so far so i have to start over again [03:02] <glick> anyone kow whats going on with this? [03:03] <bddebian> Use -nc if you don't want it to clean your build-tree [03:03] <glick> bddebian, but i dont know if it still has important things to build, i dont know if without that ill be able to install it [03:04] <glick> this is the eror line [03:04] <glick> /bin/sh: line 1: 4845 Segmentation fault LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../objs_gtk_sh/lib: ../objs_gtk_sh/utils/tex2rtf/src/tex2rtf ../docs/latex/wx/manual.tex ../docs/wx-manual.html/wx2.6-manual.html -twice -html [03:04] <glick> make: *** [build-doc-stamp] Error 139 [03:04] <infinity> glick : Backtrace it in gdb. [03:06] <glick> infinity, im not sure what i would backtrace, its not like it dropped a core file [03:06] <glick> and it sucks to have to do that again with no result [03:06] <infinity> glick : Sure, but you can re-run that one line without restarting the build. [03:07] <infinity> glick : So, do the build until it fails, then re-run that one bit in gdb, and backtrace the segv. [03:07] <glick> infinity, not really cause all the stuff has been deleted [03:07] <infinity> glick : No, nothing gets deleted until you re-start the build and debian/rules clean is run again. [03:08] <infinity> (Well, unless that package has a really broken build system that cleans on failure, but that would be retarded...) [03:08] <glick> infinity, it says.. after that line clearning the build enviorbment removing directory so and so [03:10] <glick> i think i might jsut say screw wxpythin [03:10] <glick> look for another gui framework [03:26] <bob2> you're using pbuilder? [03:27] <bddebian> ? [03:27] <infinity> He was talking to glick. [03:27] <bddebian> Aye [03:29] <glick> bob2, yes i was [03:29] <bob2> there you go then [03:29] <glick> bob2, i was told to use pbuilder [03:29] <bob2> either don't use it, or configure it to not destroy the build tree on failure [03:30] <bob2> I recommend not using it [03:31] <bob2> using pbuilder is fine, as long as you know what it's for and what it does [03:32] <glick> i dont really i just wanted the latest version of wxpython :) [05:33] <glick> does anyone here also do any development for Windows? [05:40] <camilotelles> glick, I do [05:41] <glick> camilotelles, is there any documentation on how one would access the cdrw on windows for example in your code if you wanted to write a burnner app [05:42] <camilotelles> glick [05:42] <camilotelles> Image Mastering API [05:43] <glick> camilotelles, where can i read up on that? [05:43] <camilotelles> glick, http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/devio/base/image_mastering_api.asp [05:43] <bddebian> Ack, my eyes, my eyes.. [05:45] <glick> camilotelles, where are these functions available? [05:45] <glick> do i have to buy .NEt to access these? [05:45] <camilotelles> bddebian, take easy, i'm only asking a question :) [05:45] <bddebian> :-) [05:46] <camilotelles> glick, i think this is from the base system. [05:48] <glick> damn there arnt any examples [05:48] <glick> i forget windows isnt linux and everyone is a closed source/shareware asshole [05:50] <whiprush> more than likely we're all nice people and you're just offtopic. :) [05:50] <camilotelles> glick, whiprush is right. [06:24] <netdur> poeple, I don't know if you know about new icons or not... but take a look, it worth! http://nuovext.pwsp.net [06:29] <bob2> so, backports people [06:29] <bob2> apparently someone backported smeg to hoary [06:29] <bob2> which apparently neccessitated a newer pyxdg [06:29] <bob2> said new pyxdg breaks gnome-app-installer [06:29] <Amaranth> oh, i may or may not have given them the pyxdg package that's in the old backports :P [06:29] <Amaranth> i can't remember [06:30] <Amaranth> but it's still a problem in the new repo [06:35] <mdz> bob2: Mez is the person to talk to [06:44] <srbaker> do i seriously need a bugzilla account to VIEW bug reports? [06:44] <srbaker> oh, thank god [06:45] <bddebian> You shouldn't [06:45] <bddebian> Ohh [06:45] <srbaker> 12613 is fucking ridiculous. [06:46] <srbaker> Ubuntu ships with pre-release software, and there's actually a discussion about it when it starts breaking shit [06:48] <jdub> srbaker: chill, please [06:49] <srbaker> jdub, hey, i'm chilled. [06:49] <srbaker> jdub, i just want to know when i'll be able to get work done wihout having to spend my days building custom packages for my co-workers [06:50] <srbaker> sigh [06:50] <jdub> pfft [06:50] <jsgotangco> pfft? [06:50] <jsgotangco> heh hi btw [06:54] <srbaker> jdub, okay, i'm sorry for being a bit impatient. [06:54] <srbaker> jdub, i was under the understanding that this was a solved problem, and then i looked at the bug and saw otherwise. [06:54] <srbaker> jdub, this is the source of a huge amount of pain for our entire team [06:55] <jdub> srbaker: so would you be willing to test an updated package to ease our concerns that it would be inappropriate for hoary-updates? [06:55] <srbaker> absolutely. [06:55] <jdub> i really think that's all it comes down to [06:55] <srbaker> all six of us would gladly. [06:55] <srbaker> i didn't see any mention of update packages on the bug. just multiple suggestions to "use backports" [06:56] <srbaker> i do *not* use backports, because they are unstable and buggy. [06:56] <Lathiat> What's this about? [06:56] <srbaker> Lathiat, hoary shipped with a pre-release hoary. [06:56] <jdub> ok, so perhaps grab the backports build, and then comment on the bug about your testing [06:56] <Lathiat> srbaker: hoary? [06:56] <Lathiat> you mean ruy? [06:56] <Lathiat> *ruby? [06:56] <jdub> Lathiat: ruby [06:56] <srbaker> ruby [06:56] <Lathiat> ah right [06:56] <Lathiat> i thought so [06:56] <srbaker> sorry [06:57] <jdub> (i totally understand horrored distrust of backports) [06:57] <srbaker> jdub, heh. you don't know the half of it. our entire development team has standardized on ubuntu. there have been... some annoyances. [06:57] <srbaker> and some major fucking problems. [06:57] <srbaker> most of them have been since traced back to backports usage :P [06:57] <jdub> productive feedback always appreciated [06:57] <srbaker> jdub, so the ruby in backports is the "officially" sanctioned package then/ [06:58] <jdub> mmm, ugly backports pain [06:58] <jdub> srbaker: well, no, but if it tests well, we could push it in hoary-updates [06:58] <srbaker> hrm [06:58] <jsgotangco> (hate to admit, but i use the ruby in backports for rails) [06:58] <srbaker> okay, i'll take a look at it [06:58] <jdub> which then would be official, supported, etc. [06:58] <jdub> but we really can't do it on a whim [06:58] <srbaker> currently we're using packages that i built from debian sarge. [06:58] <jdub> which i think makes sense [06:58] <mdz> hoary-backports is likely to become a staging area for hoary-updates in some cases [06:59] <jdub> and is the kind of trusted state you'd expect for a supportable platform :-) [06:59] <jdub> mdz: rock [06:59] <srbaker> jdub, makes sense but this is a huge problem for us and many others, and it's been almost a month with no hint at the possibility of an official resolution [06:59] <jdub> srbaker: mm, but it is kind of a quiet bug [06:59] <srbaker> alright, i'm biased. [07:00] <jdub> srbaker: i mean, you haven't even commented :-) [07:00] <srbaker> jdub, i haven't needed to. my co-workers have. [07:00] <mdz> we can't be held responsible for the fact that they fixed some particularly interesting bug 2 days after we froze ruby [07:00] <jdub> ok [07:00] <jdub> mdz: though, to be fair, we did ship a pre-release (trusting debian unstable in the process) [07:00] <mdz> this happened 4 months before release; if someone had mentioned it during that time, this would have been easy to fix [07:00] <srbaker> mdz, imho, if there's a "pre" in the version number, it should be closely watched for updates and included. [07:01] <srbaker> shipping pre-release software just seems stupid. [07:01] <mdz> there are lots of pre-release packages which go out with stable releases [07:01] <mdz> it's at the discretion of the maintainer, and they usually know what they are doing [07:01] <srbaker> i know. it's frightening [07:01] <jdub> srbaker: understand the POV, but there are different ways of looking at things from the "shipping a supportable distro" POV too [07:01] <lexhider> hi, jdub: If I remember correctly bug #12050 is a duplicate of a bug you commented, I was having trouble finding it. [07:02] <srbaker> jdub, okay. thanks for being helpful. sorry to be a prick, but this has been an ongoing PITA [07:02] <srbaker> jdub, it's been the source of a lot of problems at work [07:03] <jdub> srbaker: s'ok. but we are usually not so diplomatic in reaction to this kind of behavior, so please don't take this as a useful strategy for getting your problems solved in ubuntu. :-) [07:03] <srbaker> jdub, heh, of course not. keep in mind to you this is the first time you've seen it, and i apologize for not taking this into consideration. for me, this is a month-old problem with a seemingly simple solution [07:03] <jdub> lexhider: hrm, there's a few of these [07:04] <srbaker> jdub, also, i was under the impression that at least two of my co-workers have bitched in here about it already and were basically told to fuck off [07:04] <lexhider> jdub: it's hard to search for duplicates when it takes so long. ;) [07:04] <jdub> lexhider: kind of annoying to be getting the big .js file from https ;) [07:04] <mdz> srbaker: it may seem simple to you, but there is a lot of potential for breakage in blindly including an enormous patch in a stable release [07:04] <srbaker> mdz, true, but it seems unlikely that software will depend on a bug in a pre-release that was only in the world for a couple days [07:05] <mdz> srbaker: if someone behaved inappropriately (CoC) toward them, I'd like to hear about it (with quotes) [07:05] <jdub> srbaker: there could be bugs in the changes between pre and final [07:05] <mdz> srbaker: certainly not, and I would be unlikely to object to fixing that bug [07:05] <mdz> srbaker: but I do object to blindly including an enormous, unauditable patch [07:06] <jdub> srbaker: as an upstream, i am totally happy for distros to be fundamentally untrustworthy of my prissy version number statements about stability ;-) [07:06] <srbaker> mdz, i'll ask around. i think it was more of a general dismissal than inappropriate behaviour. [07:06] <srbaker> jdub, fair enough. [07:06] <srbaker> okay, then this brings me to my next question [07:06] <mdz> srbaker: if you know what the specific bug is, and can help us to isolate a patch, that would help to move things forward [07:06] <srbaker> can we pay canonical for specific focus on the things that trouble us? [07:06] <mdz> but this isn't going to fly: 52 files changed, 6277 insertions(+), 279 deletions(-) [07:07] <srbaker> we lose money when ubuntu gets in our ways, and it's been doing so quite a bit lately. [07:07] <srbaker> (well, me. others have different problems of different sizes) [07:07] <jdub> srbaker: yeah, you can - yay for support :-) [07:07] <srbaker> could we perhaps pay for the day or three that it would take to audit and include this patch? and how much would it cost? [07:08] <jdub> srbaker: in fact, if you want to email me about what you're doing, and the problems you've faced, that would be really helpful -> jeff.waugh@canonical.com [07:08] <srbaker> jdub, this ruby one has been the show stopper. there have been other issues, but i am unable to pin them on ubuntu because my co-workers aren't as strict about package integrity as i am [07:08] <mdz> srbaker: why would you want to do that, instead of getting your bug fixed directly? [07:09] <srbaker> mdz, well, my assumption is that the reason this bug is taken less seriously than others is a matter of business. if we pay for your time, then we can pick what bugs are addressed in that time, no? [07:09] <jdub> mdz: (customers setting priorities for bug fixing through a commercial transaction...) [07:09] <srbaker> that's how i've done with other commercial vendors in the past [07:10] <jdub> srbaker: hrm, not a matter of business that the bug has not been fixed yet [07:10] <srbaker> RH, in particular has been great at this. [07:10] <mdz> srbaker: of course you could get your bug fixed as part of a support arrangement, but I don't see why you would insist on fixing the methodology [07:10] <srbaker> mdz, i don't care about anything but the right version of ruby being in hoary :) [07:10] <mdz> srbaker: that's not a support issue [07:10] <srbaker> and if paying for it will make it happen more quickly, i'm sure i can convince the right people to cough up the dollars to make it happen [07:11] <srbaker> mdz, we seem to disagree over whether shipping a pre-release known-buggy piece of software is stupid then. [07:11] <mdz> if what you need is a stable and supported Ubuntu build of a certain version of ruby, we can certainly provide that [07:11] <mdz> but it won't force a decision about what gets included in the official releases [07:12] <mdz> srbaker: yes, we do. it is not as simple as that. [07:12] <srbaker> so the policy of including pre-release known-buggy software isn't seen as a problem then? [07:12] <jdub> srbaker: (it's not a policy) [07:12] <mdz> known-buggy? [07:13] <jdub> srbaker: in some cases, we need to ship pre-release software (or patches out of cvs) to be able to support things; in this case, it was largely a timing and feedback issue [07:14] <jdub> srbaker: but this is just to explain why it is the way it is; it doesn't really impact whether we can fix it or not [07:14] <jdub> :-) [07:14] <mdz> there was no bug reported about this issue until last month, which was three months after Hoary released [07:14] <mdz> and there still isn't a proper bug report; just a request for a new version (which is why it ended up with backports) [07:14] <srbaker> "you shipped a pre-release buggy version of X" is a proper bug report [07:15] <srbaker> and the appropriate fix is to ship the non-pre-release version [07:15] <jdub> srbaker: the "buggy" bit is the proper bug :-) [07:15] <jdub> srbaker: if the differences were small, that would be a no-brainer, but they were not, so it has to be more carefully considered (and tested) [07:15] <jdub> so the way forward, i think, [07:16] <jdub> is to ask the affected users to test an updated package [07:16] <jdub> so we can be comfortable shipping it in hoary-updates (and thus an officially supported fix) [07:16] <srbaker> okay, well we'll test it. does this mean that ruby1.9pre might make it into breezy though? [07:16] <mdz> no, that is not a proper bug report. a proper bug report would be "this bit of ruby isn't working properly; here's a test case demonstrating the problem" [07:16] <jdub> srbaker: well, the timing issues are going to be different, i'm sure [07:16] <Lathiat> mdz: that wouldnt be entirely effective in this case [07:16] <jdub> what's in breezy atm? [07:16] <Lathiat> as rails does a version check [07:17] <Lathiat> 1.8.2-1 in breezy [07:17] <jdub> Version: 1.8.2-1 [07:17] <Lathiat> mdz: think firefox [07:17] <mdz> Lathiat: I'd be happy to patch that out [07:17] <jdub> and we're already UVF [07:17] <Lathiat> breezy's ruby+rails setup works fine [07:17] <jdub> srbaker: so there's no problem at all in breezy [07:17] <Lathiat> mdz: right but if someone wants to use a gem, they get the same problem [07:17] <jsgotangco> yeah it works fine in breezy [07:17] <mdz> jdub: unless, of course, we pull a new version in order to fix a known bug [07:18] <jdub> srbaker: again, there is no "we ship pre-release software" policy - it came straight from debian sid [07:18] <jdub> mdz: yeah [07:18] <Lathiat> yeh ive successfully used rails on breezy [07:18] <srbaker> so have i. [07:18] <Lathiat> its a shame the bug wasnt caught pre-hoary [07:18] <jdub> srbaker: and crucially, it survived the testing process :) [07:18] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I think rails didn't have that check until after hoary released [07:19] <Lathiat> ajmitch: It must have, because the version in hoary whinges [07:19] <jdub> ajmitch: damn, like that bloody firefox page! [07:19] <Lathiat> jdub: like i said a minute ago, "think firefox". :) [07:19] <jdub> haha [07:19] <Lathiat> ... and dont kill me for the pain and suffering that results. [07:20] <jdub> ok [07:20] <jdub> party time [07:20] <mdz> Lathiat: that means that no one tested rails, and since it's in universe, it wasn't a priority for centralized QA [07:20] <jdub> later :) [07:20] <Lathiat> mdz: indeed [07:20] <ajmitch> mdz: sadly the people that want to use those packages won't find the bugs until it's too late for the MOTUs [07:21] <mdz> ajmitch: I don't think that's inherently true [07:21] <mdz> lots of users test software that's important to them in ubuntu pre-releases [07:21] <mdz> that's absolutely the best way to ensure that the next ubuntu release is high-quality in the ways that matter to you [07:22] <ajmitch> as long as enough people test & report the bugs for fixing, we're ok [07:22] <ajmitch> rails just seemed to slip through, I think [07:22] <srbaker> rails didn't have the version check until 0.13.1 [07:23] <jsgotangco> its all in breezy though [07:23] <srbaker> good! [07:23] <srbaker> we're planning on migrating the office to breezy upon freeze, and spending a week hammering it, iirc. [07:23] <ajmitch> srbaker: right, that's what I thought, so it's a case of using post-hoary rails with hoary ruby [07:23] <mdz> that's wonderful; that way you can be certain that when it releases, the ruby stuff is up to par [07:24] <jsgotangco> yeah me an ogra were talking about ruby/rails stuff a few days ago [07:24] <srbaker> ajmitch, yeah. it also broke some other software that doesn't actually check but crashes with the bug. i think alexandria was affected. [07:24] <jamesh> you could just use zope3 :) [07:24] <jsgotangco> *grin* [07:24] <jamesh> that's what we're using [07:25] <ajmitch> jamesh: why not, packages are in debian experimental iirc :) [07:25] <ajmitch> not sure if they've been imported to breezy yet [07:25] <jamesh> ajmitch: we aren't actually using a packaged version of zope3 [07:27] <ajmitch> jamesh: I wouldn't expect you to at the moment [07:27] <srbaker> zope. hehe [07:27] <srbaker> i don't think zope can handle the kind of traffic we do. otherwise, i'd suggest it [07:27] <srbaker> well, not on a manageable amount of hardware [07:30] <srbaker> jdub, okay, thanks for easing my mind on this. much better than the feedback my co-workers were getting when they checked it out [07:31] <srbaker> i won't care anyways. everyone else on my team is staying with ubuntu. they ordered me a mac today. :P [07:31] <jsgotangco> lol [07:31] <jsgotangco> srbaker: if its any help to you, my colleagues at work are ruby/rails people as well and using them on breezy at the moment [07:32] <jsgotangco> aside from the other guys using it on windows [07:32] <srbaker> jsgotangco, yeah, i know breezy is pretty decent, but i'm not willing to risk it [07:32] <jsgotangco> yeah [07:32] <srbaker> we have enough problems with supposedly stable software :P [07:38] <srbaker> jsgotangco, how many rails developers at your work? [07:38] <jsgotangco> 4, not really rails-dedicated btw [07:39] <jsgotangco> not including me, i just dived in and getting my feet soaked [07:41] <srbaker> ahh [07:41] <srbaker> well, we're under the impression that we're currently the biggest rails dev shop outside of 37signals. we're 6 [07:41] <Amaranth> ooh, new gamin [07:41] <srbaker> 6, fulltime [07:42] <srbaker> and well, we do more traffic than anyone on the internet except 44 sites, so we're also big in that way [07:54] <pitti> Good morning [07:55] <pitti> Hi mdz_ [07:57] <doko> good morning [07:57] <pitti> Hey doko [08:02] <doko> hplip (0.9.4-2) unstable; urgency=low [08:02] <doko> . [08:02] <doko> * Matthias Klose <doko@ubuntu.com>: [08:02] <doko> * hplip-base should also replace files in hplip-data (<< 0.9.3) [08:02] <doko> * Run HPLIP daemons as non-root user (optional, default as run as root) [08:02] <doko> (closes: #320936) [08:02] <doko> pitti: ^^^ for your statistics [08:02] <pitti> doko: thanks! :-) Can you please send the patch to Debian, too? [08:02] <sivang> morning all [08:03] <doko> pitti: 0.9.4-2 [08:03] <Lathiat> doko, pitti: statistics? [08:03] <pitti> doko: oh, I see :-) [08:03] <pitti> doko: so can we make it the default in Ubuntu somehow? [08:03] <doko> it already is [08:03] <pitti> Lathiat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerootificationStatus [08:03] <pitti> doko: you are so great! :-) [08:03] <Lathiat> pitti: ah [08:04] <sivang> hi Lathiat , pitti [08:04] <ajmitch> hi pitti [08:04] <Lathiat> yo sivang [08:04] <pitti> doko: added to the wiki page [08:12] <calc> btw is there any bug reports about firefox on amd64 being unstable starting in the past week or so? [08:14] <calc> its crashing pretty frequently on my box [08:14] <pitti> calc: do you have the latest libcairo1? Try to upgrade [08:15] <calc> 0.6.0-0ubuntu2 [08:15] <calc> afaik i have all the current stuff [08:17] <Amaranth> "it's in breezy right now but unfortunately X doesn't work" ;) [08:18] <calc> X kinda works ;) [08:18] <calc> at times [08:18] <calc> i don't restart X often since it has a habit of breaking [08:18] <Amaranth> no, one of the lugradio guys said this [08:18] <Amaranth> talking about cairo and gtk [08:18] <calc> heh [08:19] <Lathiat> X works [08:19] <Amaranth> latest episode [08:19] <Lathiat> as long as you hack up mkfontdir [08:19] <Amaranth> no, that's fixed too [08:19] <Amaranth> but this was recorded probably 2 or 3 weeks ago [08:20] <Lathiat> thats fixed? [08:20] <Lathiat> since when? [08:20] <Lathiat> i dont remember seeing an X update [08:20] <Amaranth> xfont-utils or something [08:21] <sivang> pitti: can I ask you something about effecting packaging dependencies wrt launchpad integration? [08:21] <pitti> sure [08:22] <Amaranth> what is launchpad-integration for exactly? [08:23] <Amaranth> say 'integrating with launchpad' and i may have to smack you silly :P [08:23] <sivang> Amaranth: install file-roller and find out :) [08:24] <Amaranth> how could i not have that installed? :P [08:24] <sivang> pitti: we need to create a helper function (like jamesh did for UIManager and glade) for bonnobo ui apps [08:24] <sivang> Amaranth: hehe, after you isntalled, go to "Help" and see Launchpad smiling at you :) [08:24] <Amaranth> sivang: nice, first thing i see is 'domain name mismatch' :P [08:24] <Amaranth> that really needs to get fixed, it scares people away [08:25] <sivang> Amaranth: bah, well what domain does it look for? [08:25] <sivang> Amaranth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration as well [08:25] <Amaranth> err, maybe that's not what it says anymore, i clicked ok without reading [08:26] <Amaranth> because i'm used to that stupid error [08:26] <Amaranth> shit, now it won't do until until i start a new browser session [08:26] <Amaranth> which i can't do because i have sessionsaver [08:26] <sivang> Amaranth: weird never happend to me [08:27] <Amaranth> ah [08:27] <Amaranth> i see [08:27] <sivang> pitti: however, bonnobo brings in ORBit, libgnome, libbonobo, gnome-vfs, etc [08:27] <Amaranth> launchpad.ubuntu.com but the cert is for launchpad.net [08:27] <sivang> pitti: and the current lib mainly depends on Gtk stuff, so would it be wise to toss this utility in another lib/package? [08:28] <sivang> Amaranth: tell that to stub , at #launchpad [08:28] <sivang> Amaranth: I bet he'd like to know , or you have to refresh your cache or something [08:28] <sivang> Amaranth: they changed the domain 2 days ago IIRC [08:32] <pitti> yay, new gamin [08:33] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm about to start beating it to death :P [08:33] <Amaranth> (testing it) [09:41] <JaneW> hi all, I need to respond to an e-mail enquiry... will Breezy have twinview in xorg enabled? [09:44] <daniels> JaneW: no. we do not ship the nvidia binary driver by default, and will never do so. [09:44] <daniels> JaneW: as to the general question of dual-head ... i guess breezy+1 or whenever someone gets time to do XorgAutoconfiguration. [09:45] <highvoltage> daniels: unless the license changes, of course ;) [09:45] <Treenaks> highvoltage: i.e. never [09:45] <highvoltage> Treenaks: good point. [09:45] <bob2> GNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNR [09:46] <bob2> kernel update + suspend to disk = losing all state with no warning [09:46] <Lathiat> bob2: thats why you should use suspend2 [09:46] <daniels> bob2: yeah, that really shits me off [09:46] <Lathiat> if you try to boot an image with the wrong kernel it gives you a chance to back out [09:46] <daniels> bob2: i'd love a little thing that blocked on input saying 'if you want to get back to your old session, reboot onw' [09:47] <daniels> 'else press enter' [09:47] <daniels> Treenaks: s/never/no time soon/ [09:47] <Burgundavia> daniels, where is status of the completely free ati drivers with 3d for newer cards? [09:47] <Burgundavia> daniels, 9600 and similar series [09:48] <daniels> Burgundavia: breezy+1 [09:48] <daniels> Burgundavia: 'generally works great' for agp, 'utterly non-functional' for pcie [09:48] <bob2> daniels: yeah [09:48] <Burgundavia> so they are making good progress on that? [09:48] <bob2> Lathiat: except then I have to deal with crackaddled Frozen Bubble splash screens [09:48] <Lathiat> bob2: eh? [09:48] <Burgundavia> daniels, not asking for breezy, just didn't get a good sense from the various pages and lists I visited [09:49] <daniels> Burgundavia: yeah [09:49] <bob2> maybe that's just what neal has on his laptop [09:49] <bob2> but having the kernel throw images at me scares me [09:49] <bob2> er, nigel [09:49] <\sh> morning [09:49] <Lathiat> yeh you dont need that [09:49] <Lathiat> its an optional feature, obviously [09:49] <Lathiat> the default mode is a text mode [09:49] <Lathiat> runs a little progressbar and tells you what its doing [09:50] <Lathiat> i havent used it in ages tho [09:50] <Lathiat> suspend to ram does the trick [09:50] <JaneW> daniels: thanks. The guys says he is looking for something that 'when I plug a projector into my laptop it will configure to display my lcd screen on the projector at the best resolution the projector will handle. Windows currently does that and it really needs to be in ubuntu.' [09:51] <Lathiat> last time i used it was on my 266mhz gateway laptop [09:52] <daniels> JaneW: breezy+1 super-optimistically. breezy+2 possibly. breezy+3 probably. breezy+4 maybe. it's a frigging hard problem space. [09:52] <daniels> JaneW: one of the things I'd love to spend development time on, but I don't have any [09:52] <Lathiat> yeh that sounds nasty [09:53] <JaneW> daniels: ok thanks and understood ;) [09:53] <Lathiat> theres like 4 separate problems that jump into my head off the bat [09:54] <daniels> a) initial detection of devices, b) binding them to the same driver, c) reconfiguring on the fly, d) having the driver detect plug events, e) if doing xinerama, how to deal with accel etc; if doing mergedfb, how to set independent modes [09:55] <Lathiat> do projectors reliably provide their maximum resolution with the autodetection magic? [09:55] <daniels> sure, but again, difficult problem space [09:55] <daniels> it's not viable to detect stuff like that with vbe, since you only get access to the first head [09:56] <Lathiat> ah, right [09:56] <daniels> so basically you have to split every driver into, say, libi810 and i810_drv, and be able to load libi810 from userspace and poke deeply into the card configuration [09:56] <daniels> which sucks [09:56] <Lathiat> so is that a implementation limitation as opposed to a hardware limitation? [09:56] <daniels> correct [09:56] <daniels> all our problems are implementation limitations [09:56] <Lathiat> right [09:57] <Lathiat> and sucky drivers [09:57] <Lathiat> which, i guess is an implementation limitation. :) [09:57] <daniels> while it's *better* than v3 in every respect, the xfree86 v4 architecture still sucks at multiple outputs [09:57] <Burgundavia> daniels, I cannot seem to find the page that I saw regarding those drivers. Where would I find them again? [09:58] <daniels> Burgundavia: r300.sf.net [09:58] <Lathiat> is there still a way to bind random graphics cards together "properly" like twinview style / what windows does ? [09:58] <Lathiat> s/still// [09:58] <Burgundavia> daniels, thanks [09:58] <bob2> Lathiat: isn't that just xinerama [09:58] <bob2> ? [09:58] <Lathiat> bob2: where you can drag windows between both screens? [09:58] <bob2> also, gnome-update thing is nifty with the terminal widget [09:58] <daniels> Lathiat: xinerama lets you do that, dude [09:59] <bob2> Lathiat: X has been able to do that since like 2001 [09:59] <Lathiat> daniels: really? hrm [09:59] <daniels> the problem with xinerama is that the one screen -> one device assumption is hardcoded pretty solidly into X [09:59] <Lathiat> whatever i did the 1 time it ried it must have not been using that [09:59] <daniels> so you don't get 3D acceleration on both heads, etc [09:59] <Lathiat> right [09:59] <daniels> mergedfb/twinview solve this by cheating it into one device for two screens [09:59] <Lathiat> or overlays [09:59] <Lathiat> heh yeh [09:59] <daniels> Lathiat: just acceleration in general [09:59] <Treenaks> daniels: but people _are_ working on a new/better system right? [09:59] <daniels> the former being for radeon/sis, the latter being for nv [09:59] <daniels> Treenaks: slowly, yes [10:00] <daniels> Treenaks: all the EGL work is shoving us in a far more sensible direction [10:00] <Lathiat> twinview has an annoying bug on my laptop [10:00] <Lathiat> i cant make my internal LCD the primary display no matter how hard i try [10:00] <Treenaks> EGL? is that like XGL? [10:00] <daniels> Lathiat: see me not care :P [10:00] <Lathiat> daniels: heh [10:00] <Lathiat> i can do a two-screen setup thing, but i couldnt move things between windows, didnt realise you could not have that happen, cus i didnt care much at the time [10:01] <daniels> Treenaks: egl is embedded gl, which is a subset of the GL API. mesa are implementing EGL, plus extensions to deal with mode-setting, et al. [10:01] <Treenaks> daniels: yay for http://wiki.x.org/wiki/XorgGlossary :) [10:02] <daniels> Treenaks: http://people.freedesktop.org/~ajax/dri-explanation.txt is also brilliant [10:02] <Treenaks> ooh nice [10:05] <craig> Hey [10:05] <seb128> elmo: gdesklets-data gperiodic gnome-build (experimental) intltool syncs please [10:06] <Treenaks> daniels: weren't they working on some XAA-replacement as well? [10:06] <Treenaks> ah EXA [10:07] <craig> How do i install smb iam new to linux..Thank You in advance:) [10:07] <Burgundavia> daniels, is that r300 stuff in breezy? [10:07] <Burgundavia> craig, that is a question for #ubuntu [10:07] <craig> yes [10:08] <daniels> Burgundavia: no [10:08] <craig> if iam in the wrong place 2 ask questions just say so and i will leave:) [10:09] <bob2> this channel is for development discussion; try #ubunut [10:09] <bob2> er, #ubuntu [10:10] <craig> ok thank you [10:12] <Burgundavia> daniels, thanks [10:13] <JaneW> does anyone know anything about dist-upgrade? I have another enquiry and am not too certain about what the guy is going on about... [10:13] <mvo> JaneW: please forward it to me (or /msg me) [10:13] <bob2> can't you just tell these people to email ubuntu-users? [10:13] <JaneW> mvo: ok I'll fwd to you, thanks [10:15] <JaneW> bob2: yes I guesss I could, but they want to feel special ;P [10:15] <Lathiat> ooh gamin update [10:15] <Lathiat> wonder if it works [10:18] <mvo> elmo: can you please sync synaptic from debian/unstable (ok with Kamion, bugfixes only) [10:21] <niran> mvo, are all your nifty api additions to python-apt going to be in breezy? [10:28] <mvo> niran: yes, I'll work on it today. unfortunately the api will change a bit to make it conform to PEP08 (python style guides). but I'll let you know about that (and provide a patch) [10:30] <niran> mvo, ok, cool [11:01] <JaneW> hi all, I have added another table to the BreezyGoals page, called deferred. If your goal is being deferred (can't be finished in time for Breezy) - please move it to this table, so that we can keep track of it. [11:01] <jsgotangco> *stress* [11:02] <JaneW> If your goal is mostly complete, but some part of it have been, or are to be deferred, please lists these portions on the deferred table... this will allow goals that are as finishsed as they are going to be to be listed as complete, while still keeping track of additional work that needs to be picked up on later. [11:02] <JaneW> jsgotangco: :P [11:03] <daniels> is there a column for 'won't happen until someone gets assigned a decent amount of time to work on it [which won't happen] or it gets bountied'? [11:04] <JaneW> daniels, sure, put it in the deferred table and make a note about it, and suggest it gets bounties etc, a lot of these deferred items are exactly because there hasn't been enough time to complete them - or on some cases even start them. [11:04] <daniels> JaneW: this is the 'even start them' one [11:04] <JaneW> daniels: wich one? [11:05] <JaneW> s/wich/which [11:05] <seb128> daniels: VideoRoadmap ? :) [11:05] <daniels> FUCK [11:05] <daniels> *ahem* [11:06] <daniels> JaneW: this wiki is a goddamn blast from hell. keeps killing firefox. [11:06] <daniels> seb128: pick one of 'working X' or 'xine' [11:06] <daniels> seb128: i.e. not this week, probably not next week [11:06] <daniels> will have to sneak it in pretty close to feature freeze [11:07] <daniels> JaneW: VideoRoadmap is 'daniels to do Xine before feature freeze', XorgAuthentication is to be deferred, and probably FasterNetworkedX as well (i'm just overseeing that and smacking Tollef if he comes up with a crap solution, not doing anything of value development-wise) [11:08] <seb128> daniels: no problem for me, keep working on xorg, that's just to know what to do with the wiki [11:08] <seb128> so JaneW stop the pressure :p [11:08] <daniels> seb128: cool [11:08] <daniels> seb128: yeah, I'd just edited that before firefox came crashing down (quite literally) [11:08] <Lathiat> whats needed for video stuff? [11:09] <seb128> the wiki is public [11:09] <seb128> read the spec? [11:09] <doko> daniels: surely that's an xorg bug well hidden in libxkb or somewhere else ;-P [11:09] <seb128> that's VideoRoadmap [11:09] <daniels> doko: it's a firefox bug -> seb's problem [11:09] <daniels> he's hindering my productivity [11:10] <seb128> daniels: use epiphany-browser ? :) [11:10] <seb128> hum [11:11] <daniels> seb128: heh. you've got me there. [11:11] <doko> lol, daniels is complaining about _that_ ? :-) [11:11] <seb128> do we have a reason to keep automake-1.4 with the higest alternative? [11:11] <sivang> seb128: would you say it'd be wise to put the bonnobo ui apps helper function to add ui elements in another lib? jamesh suggested that because of the dependencies this may bring in current lib, ofcourse for the python scripts it will depend on the same "binary" [11:12] <seb128> sivang: yeah, probably [11:12] <Kamion> infinity: huh, libd-i uses -gstabs? boggle. Is -ggdb safe as a replacement? [11:13] <sivang> seb128: bonnobo brings in ORBit, libgnome, libbonobo, gnome-vfs, etc [11:13] <sivang> seb128: k [11:13] <sivang> seb128: thx [11:13] <doko> seb128: I stumbled about that prio as well. but maybe you break now more things than you fix, maybe just use a build-conflict [11:14] <seb128> doko: that's not a build issue, that user getting both installed, running ./autogen.sh for GNOME stuff or using anjuta and getting errors [11:14] <daniels> seb128: 1.6 or 1.7 would be *far* more sensible. of course, the easiest solution is to just not have 1.4 installed at all. [11:14] <seb128> cf https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13146 [11:15] <seb128> sivang: yeah, I know what bobono pulls [11:15] <seb128> daniels: any reason to not prefer 1.9? [11:15] <daniels> seb128: yes, because it breaks shit horribly [11:15] <doko> Kamion: I don't know of any restrictions, but maybe the size of the debugging info is bigger with -ggdb [11:15] <daniels> seb128: i sat down a month or two ago with another of the X guys, and we worked out that 1.6 was the sweet spot, though sort of slowly moving to 1.7 [11:15] <Kamion> it's going to be stripped anyway, it's just for in-tree debugging [11:15] <daniels> seb128: so we try to support 1.6 through 1.8 or maybe 1.9 [11:16] <daniels> seb128: but SO MUCH STUFF is backwards-incompatible [11:16] <daniels> seb128: it's like automake people are just bored, and really bitter [11:16] <seb128> bah [11:16] <daniels> 'so, what's the plan for 1.10?' [11:16] <daniels> 'LET'S BREAK SHIT. I HATE MY EX-WIFE AND THE WORLD IN GENERAL.' [11:16] <seb128> so better to keep 1.4 for the moment so [11:16] <daniels> seb128: 1.6 or 1.7 would be best [11:16] <daniels> seb128: better to throw 1.4 away and forget it existed [11:16] <daniels> with such relics of the past as xfree86 [11:16] <seb128> k [11:17] <seb128> I'll ping mdz about this when he's around [11:17] <daniels> i think eric dorland or whoever the automake maintainer is in debian decided to throw away 1.4 just recently [11:18] <seb128> sivang: I'm wondering if that's worth doing a library instead of patching 4-5 apps using bonobo for menus [11:18] <siretart> daniels: that was about automake 1.5, iirc. automake 1.4 is too widly used for dropping yet [11:19] <daniels> siretart: not that many people still use 1.4, at all [11:19] <siretart> more than 1.5 [11:19] <daniels> sure [11:19] <daniels> but no-one uses 1.5 at all [11:19] <JaneW> daniels: that's not the wiki, it's your flash extension :) [11:19] <seb128> daniels: #228604 is about this [11:20] <daniels> JaneW: don't have flash installed [11:20] <JaneW> ok, well then the wiki sucks .... [11:20] <daniels> JaneW: right [11:20] <sivang> seb128: we have also the applets...and the translations.. whenever soething changes it will cause great work per app [11:20] <sivang> seb128: or even if launchpad url changes.. [11:20] <JaneW> seb128: it's not me making the pressure, it;s the deadline, and sides I am trying to find a way to EASE it... [11:21] <seb128> JaneW: I'm pretty sure everybody knows about the different freezes :) [11:21] <bob2> daniels: just be glad it's not zwiki [11:22] <bob2> daniels: or it'd be your firefox and the app server that crashed [11:22] <seb128> doko: cairo/glitz uploaded [11:22] <doko> seb128: Did notice. thanks! [11:23] <seb128> np [11:23] <JaneW> daniels: if you are having wiki problesm mail me with updates - I am happy to apply them. [11:23] <daniels> bob2: lpwiki! [11:23] <daniels> JaneW: see the line 16min ago [11:23] <JaneW> seb128: wtf is that meant to me? [11:23] <JaneW> s/me/mean [11:24] <daniels> JaneW: upstream version freeze, feature freeze, code freeze, preview freeze, etc [11:24] <JaneW> daniels: VideoRoadmap, ok will do. [11:24] <JaneW> daniels: yes... so? [11:24] <daniels> JaneW: and the FasterNetworkedX stuff [11:24] <daniels> JaneW: er, was just relaying what seb said [11:24] <JaneW> daniles: ok [11:24] <seb128> JaneW: hum, cool, I was not agressing you or something. [11:24] <JaneW> seb128: yes but I don;t know what seb128 is implying... [11:24] <Amaranth> seb128: glade was doing a bad thing setting up bonobo docks for my menus? :) [11:25] <JaneW> seb128: ask highvoltage I am pretty agrro atm ;) [11:25] <daniels> http://swik.net/ [11:25] <sivang> Amaranth: your doing Smeg ? [11:25] <seb128> JaneW: I just say than I'm not sure than pushing people all the time will make thing changing faster, if people don't update stuff that's probably because they are busy with other stuff (like daniels with xorg) [11:25] <Amaranth> sivang: ? [11:26] <sivang> Amaranth: sorry, disregard [11:26] <JaneW> seb128: not to flog a dead horse, but I am trying to get the BreezyGoal tables organised for mdz before next friday, he is concerned that everyhting looks unfinished while in a lot of cases the goal is basically finished, but it;s been agreed to defer some parts of the spec. [11:27] <seb128> right [11:27] <JaneW> seb128: I am not pushing people, I am asking them to let me know if anything is not going to be finished in time for Breezy so that I can keep a list of it, and not let it get lost. [11:28] <pef> hello [11:28] <Kamion> for breezy+1 we need to seriously think about triaging the results of brainstorming before using the entire output of a brainstorming session as inputs to (a) max out the conference schedule as hard as possible (b) max out the development schedule as hard as possible [11:29] <Kamion> if that makes sense [11:29] <daniels> also one thing that would make more sense is not budgeting everyone's entire time towards stuff that seemed like a good idea in april [11:29] <ogra> Kamion, it does... [11:29] <daniels> six months is a hell of a long time, and many more urgent/worthwhile things may come up itmt [11:30] <daniels> (and not just triaging, some of them *cough*LaptopPowerManagementorwhatever*cough* need quality filtering also, and they need to be written up beforehand to avoid 'so, what's this all about then?' 'you tell me' '...'-type sessions) [11:30] <bob2> proposers should come to the session, too [11:31] <bob2> or at least very strictly specify what they thing the spec should implement [11:31] <daniels> yes [11:31] <bob2> having to guess what someone wants from a short description is highly stressful [11:31] <sivang> err, lunch [11:38] <JaneW> Kmaion: I second that [11:38] <JaneW> Kamion even [11:39] <JaneW> we are looking at ways to make the process work much better next time. [11:39] <Kamion> great [11:41] <bob2> making room for oxford-style meetings would be cool, too [11:42] <ogra> we should also make clear to the feature requesters that we have *not* 6 months for development... [11:42] <doko> Riddell: ping [11:43] <Treenaks> ogra: but like 4-ish? [11:43] <\sh> will there be another ubuntu conf for breezy +1? [11:43] <Kamion> yes [11:43] <Riddell> doko: hi [11:43] <ogra> Treenaks, yup [11:43] <\sh> Kamion: the place is known? [11:43] <Kamion> no [11:44] <ogra> Treenaks, or even 3 [11:44] <Kamion> (not to me, anyway) [11:44] <Treenaks> \sh: *points at JaneW* [11:45] <Lathiat> its the obvious place! [11:45] <Kamion> I doubt it will be the same country twice in a row [11:46] <Lathiat> yeh well i was being stupid anyway :) [11:46] <Amaranth> how do i kill gnome-panel and make it stay dead so i can start it in gdb? [11:46] <doko> Riddell, \sh: I did create a wiki page CxxLibraryResync to track the status of C++ libs compared to unstable. Please could you update this (when the KDE stuff starts to float to unstable) [11:46] <Lathiat> Amaranth: you dont? :) [11:46] <Amaranth> Lathiat: haha [11:47] <Amaranth> seb128: latest gnome-panel upgrade makes the panel crash after editing menus with smeg [11:47] <ajmitch> doko: what is suggested depends for wxpython now? [11:47] <Lathiat> man i have like 7 lines in my tray [11:47] <Lathiat> whats with that [11:47] <Treenaks> Amaranth: does smeg update the desktop files atomically? [11:48] <Amaranth> err, what? [11:48] <bob2> Lathiat: better snort it before the cops come! [11:48] <Treenaks> Amaranth: do you do "open, write, close, rename" or "open, write close [11:48] <Amaranth> that second one [11:48] <Treenaks> Amaranth: you should probably create a temp file somewhere, and move that to the right place when you're done writing [11:49] <Amaranth> Treenaks: thats not why it dies [11:49] <Treenaks> Amaranth: so the menu stuff never sees a partially-written file [11:49] <Amaranth> Treenaks: that's not it, it's monitoring closes [11:49] <Riddell> doko: ok, will do [11:50] <doko> ajmitch: good question. do you need a specific version, i.e. 2.4 or 2.6? [11:50] <Amaranth> Treenaks: and it dies when i remove ~/.local/share/applications/ so it's something else [11:50] <Treenaks> Amaranth: ok :) just checking possible causes :) [11:51] <bob2> winkle: 29 [11:51] <bob2> hrm [11:51] <ajmitch> doko: 2.4 for my package at the moment, so I put libwxgtk2.4-1-python in [11:51] <ajmitch> but there are a number of packages on the unmet deps list for me to work through [11:53] <doko> ajmitch: yes, maybe I should add a provides: python-wxgtk2.4, and python-wxgtk2.6 [11:56] <pitti> hi [11:56] <ajmitch> hi pitti [11:57] <Amaranth> now this is odd [11:57] <Amaranth> it went from crashing to just ignoring me [11:58] <Amaranth> yay it works [11:59] <Amaranth> d'oh [11:59] <seb128__> what ? [11:59] <Amaranth> My menus updated. Once. :/ [12:00] <Lathiat> gnome panel is useless at updating things [12:00] <Lathiat> i think its gamins fault [12:00] <Amaranth> no, seb128 just uploaded a new gnome-menus that almost fixed it [12:00] <Lathiat> ahh [12:01] <seb128__> "almost"? [12:01] <Amaranth> like i said, it worked once [12:01] <Amaranth> the first time i edited something with smeg the menus updated [12:01] <Amaranth> i closed smeg, reopened it, and tried again, nothing [12:01] <JaneW> \sh? [12:02] <JaneW> how many things can go wrong!? [12:03] <janimo> Janew, whistle: always look on the bright side of life :) [12:03] <Amaranth> seb128__: For the first time ever my gamin debug log shows the gnome_vfs_monitor_add() stuff getting through from gnome-menus, i guess that's a good thing [12:04] <seb128> cool [12:04] <seb128> gamin 0.1.3 is supposed to fix some of the previous b0rkage [12:04] <seb128> and new gnome-menus is built with gamin now [12:04] <seb128> so using both should kind of work [12:04] <daniels> JaneW: eh, you could get home one night and discover that you were actually moving out that night [12:04] <Amaranth> total rewrite of the inotify backend just hit CVS :) [12:05] <JaneW> daniels: that happened to you? [12:05] <seb128> Amaranth: when? [12:05] <daniels> JaneW: yeah. moving the rest of the bits tonight, my bed arrives tomorrow. [12:05] <seb128> Amaranth: 0.1.3 is from yesterday [12:05] <JaneW> ;) [12:05] <Amaranth> supposedly a couple hours ago [12:06] <Amaranth> it doesn't use the polling backend anymore [12:06] <seb128> Amaranth: after 0.1.3? [12:06] <Amaranth> yeah [12:07] <JaneW> just got oven repair guy in who tells me we need to break out a piece of the wll to fix it! wtf! [12:07] <JaneW> etc [12:07] <JaneW> for the rocord the POOL is broken not poo ;)) [12:07] <Amaranth> shit, another crash [12:07] <Amaranth> seb128: what dbg packages should i get to make this backtrace useful? [12:08] <shackan> hi [12:08] <seb128> Amaranth: backtrace of what app? [12:09] <Amaranth> gnome-panel [12:09] <Amaranth> or whatever the menus run as [12:09] <shackan> gnome is driving me nuts [12:09] <Amaranth> right now it just gives me http://rafb.net/paste/results/HDGcMh46.html which seems less than useless [12:10] <shackan> apt-get upgrade refuses to install updated versions for x and gnome, why ? [12:10] <bob2> you know "upgrade" doesn't take any arguments, right? [12:10] <seb128> Amaranth: gnome-panel-dbg .. do you want to push it upstream? I get it too, so if you don't I'll bother them with it :p [12:10] <Amaranth> shackan: because you need to install/remove extra things to install them [12:11] <Amaranth> seb128: i'll let you do it :) [12:11] <seb128> k [12:11] <shackan> bob2, I'm not *that* noob [12:11] <crispin> is the new gnome 2.12 menu editor in breezy ? and if so what package is it in ? [12:11] <seb128> crispin: gmenu-simpler-editor from gnome-menus and it sucks [12:11] <Amaranth> :) [12:11] <seb128> crispin: try smeg [12:12] <Amaranth> oh, that reminds me [12:12] <Amaranth> smeg is in gnome cvs now [12:12] <crispin> seb128: heh, ok :-) [12:12] <shackan> it just says "the following packages have been kept to the current version" [12:12] <seb128> yeah, I've noticed on #commits [12:12] <shackan> with a long list of gnome and x stuff (among others) [12:13] <Amaranth> shackan: if you don't understand how to upgrade you should probably stick to hoary for now [12:13] <shackan> I'd love to [12:13] <crispin> seb128: should it be in the menu hierarchy somewhere ? (I can't find it) [12:13] <shackan> but I need breezy for a project I'm developing right now [12:13] <Amaranth> crispin: no, right click on a menu entry and it comes up [12:14] <Amaranth> which is foreshadowing how bad it is :) [12:14] <Amaranth> shackan: Do you need X and etc for this project? [12:14] <crispin> Amaranth: ahh, I was right clicking on the actual menu entry, not the top-level "Applications" entry [12:14] <seb128> crispin: right click on the panel menus [12:14] <Amaranth> oh, you have to click on the panel? [12:14] <Amaranth> that's lame [12:15] <shackan> well, no, I need HAL and DBus, but I need somewhere to write my code in, you know.. so I also need gnome [12:15] <seb128> crispin: basically you can mask/show a menu entry that's all, sucker [12:15] <Amaranth> if you need X to work i'd wait for the next colony cd [12:15] <crispin> oh dear, I installed smeg, and gnome-panel crashed :-) [12:15] <Amaranth> crispin: yep, this is called a gnome-panel bug :) [12:15] <crispin> at least that means gamin notified it :-D [12:15] <seb128> crispin: gnome-panel seems to crash on menu updated yeah [12:16] <seb128> updates [12:16] <shackan> probably colony 3 will be out after my deadline is over.. grr, thaks anyway [12:17] <shackan> *thanks [12:17] <Amaranth> deadline? [12:17] <shackan> right, project have deadlines, indeed... :) [12:17] <shackan> *projects [12:18] <Amaranth> shackan: dist-upgrade [12:18] <Amaranth> shackan: from there you're on your own [12:18] <crispin> smeg only seems to update the actual menus when you quit it, but it is better :-) [12:19] <Amaranth> crispin: in 0.8 it'll do it when you click the 'Save' button :) [12:19] <crispin> IMO it should do it immediately, but at least thats a start [12:20] <Amaranth> crispin: the GNOME folks seem to agree with you but i hate instant apply [12:20] <seb128> why? [12:20] <Amaranth> plus it'd probably double the ammount of code i have implementing it sanely [12:20] <Amaranth> seb128: *shrug* [12:21] <Amaranth> i can't put it into words at 5:30am :) [12:21] <seb128> ah ah [12:22] <Amaranth> btw, pyxdg is going to need a bunch of patches to make it behave properly [12:22] <doko> ajmitch: you should depend on python-wx2.4, or python-wx2.6 [12:24] <Mez> mvo: ping [12:24] <Kamion> elmo: please sync libdebian-installer 0.32 from Debian incoming [12:24] <mvo> Mez: pong [12:24] <Kamion> fixes that ia64 build failure [12:24] <Mez> mvo: gksu doesnt seem to include gksudo anymore [12:25] <mvo> Mez: what version? [12:25] <Mez> mvo: whatever versions in breezy atm... [12:25] <Mez> mvo: I'm getting errors that it doesnt exist [12:26] <Mez> mvo: that is, assuming it's meant to be in the gksu package [12:26] <mvo> Mez: I have it here (1.3.0-1ubuntu2). what does "dpkg -L gksu" say? [12:26] <Mez> dpkg -L gksu [12:27] <Mez> says it's not insalled [12:27] <Mez> weird [12:27] <Mez> synaptic says it is [12:27] <Mez> o_O [12:27] <Mez> apt-get says it isnt [12:27] <Mez> sorry for wasting your time mvo [12:27] <Mez> weird greying out of the screen [12:29] <mvo> Mez: synaptic did show a package as installed that wasn't? that sounds odd [12:42] <niran> is there a simple way to get baz to add all the files in a directory that aren't already added? [12:42] <niran> i've just been scripting it to get it to add each file at a time to get past the errors [12:42] <niran> ad it feels dirty. [12:49] <sivang> seb128: when you have time, please refresh the sources for the the helper lib, we've modified it to point at launchpad.net instead of launchpad.ubuntu.com, thanks [12:52] <seb128> could you have the discussion about that on this chan? thanks [12:53] <seb128> jamesh: around? [12:53] <jamesh> seb128: yeah [12:53] <sivang> seb128: ah that was just less then one line change, that's all [12:53] <sivang> seb128: but yes, ofcourse :) [12:54] <seb128> jamesh: could you push mdz's patch for labels (you were Cc:ed on the mail) or give me a commit right on the baz archive so I can do it? [12:55] <seb128> sivang: speaking about all the discussion for lpi, like the bonobo lib, etc [12:55] <seb128> sivang: there is no point to keep that as private discussion [12:56] <sivang> seb128: ofcourse, I discussed that here with you, about an hour ago, no? [12:56] <seb128> you start saying you discussed about it with jamesh [12:57] <seb128> could you discuss than on this chan rather, so you don't have to ping people to summarize discussions [12:57] <jamesh> seb128: just reading. hadn't got round to those emails (I've been catching up after the flight [12:58] <seb128> jamesh: k, thanks. That's basically a 2 line changes to menu items title/tooltip [12:58] <jamesh> yeah [12:59] <jamesh> seb128: I can't easily give you write access to my archive, but you can easily create your own branch [12:59] <sivang> seb128: k, sorry if we did [12:59] <seb128> jamesh: and I'm having issues with gnome-games atm. They are setgid games which break the /proc/... opening [01:00] <sivang> seb128: you're trying to patch them for lpi ? (gnome-games) [01:00] <seb128> sivang: np, that's just that I'm listed by as leading this spec so I need to know what happens. If you guys discuss stuff without me all the time that's not going to work. Better to discuss here so I'm on phase with is beeing done [01:01] <seb128> sivang: I've already patched it, it just doesn't work because of the setgid [01:01] <seb128> s/with is/with what is/ [01:02] <sivang> seb128: ah I see, ok. What about the labels changes? what is it about? [01:03] <seb128> - { "LaunchpadAppInfo", NULL, N_("Launchpad Info"), [01:03] <seb128> + { "LaunchpadAppInfo", NULL, N_("Get Help..."), [01:03] <seb128> - { "LaunchpadAppTranslate", NULL, N_("Translate This Application ..."), [01:03] <seb128> + { "LaunchpadAppTranslate", NULL, N_("Translate This Application..."), [01:03] <jamesh> sivang: decision about the exact text for the labels [01:04] <sivang> jamesh: ah, then I can create diffs for it and send you for commit, if that's not too much overhead [01:04] <jamesh> hmm [01:04] <seb128> jamesh: k for baz, fine with me :) [01:04] <sivang> seb128: that's all the changes that are needed? [01:04] <seb128> yep [01:04] <jamesh> Steve's mail says the menu item should be "Get Help Online..." [01:04] <sivang> seb128: k, on my way [01:04] <seb128> sivang: it doesn't need you [01:04] <sivang> seb128: ah ok [01:04] <seb128> sivang: mdz sends a patch [01:04] <seb128> s/sends/sent/ [01:05] <Kamion> mvo: any thoughts on the download progress thing? is it feasible? [01:06] <seb128> jamesh: hum, right .. use that probably [01:07] <mvo> Kamion: I haven't thought about it that much but I think we can do it. it needs to be available from aptitude, right? [01:07] <Kamion> yeah [01:08] <sivang> seb128: why are gnome games setgid ? [01:08] <Kamion> I think the main issue would be determining how much of the progress bar space to use for the download step [01:08] <Kamion> either you hardcode that in apt, or we have multiple progress bars emitted by apt and have base-config use waypoints to glue them together the way base-installer does with debootstrap's progress indicators [01:08] <mvo> Kamion: what about two progress bars? one saying "downloading changes" and one "installing stuff"? or is that a stupid idea? [01:09] <Kamion> mvo: that's absolutely fine, if you can get it into the protocol [01:09] <Kamion> I think that's better actually, because then base-config can easily be tweaked to use different amounts of a consolidated progress bar for it depending on what works, or to just have two physically separate progress bars [01:10] <seb128> sivang: to write scores to /var/games [01:10] <Kamion> it's just a matter of how to clearly distinguish when apt is starting the "installing stuff" stage [01:11] <mvo> Kamion: ok. what about using the "status" field in the protocol and adding "downloading" as a new status? then the usual description (what package, total percentage, human readable string(?) [01:11] <jamesh> seb128: probably the best way to solve the problem is to add an API to tell liblaunchpad-integration what the source package name is [01:11] <jamesh> then it could short circuit some of the lookup it is doing [01:12] <seb128> yeah [01:12] <Kamion> mvo: if I can be guaranteed that the last entry in the downloading progress bar is 100 so that I can safely distinguish when the new bar is starting, that's fine ... [01:12] <sivang> jamesh: what does that mean? :) [01:13] <seb128> that means having a function to specify the package name [01:13] <seb128> so it doesn't have to search for it [01:13] <sivang> seb128: ah [01:13] <seb128> ie: the gnome-games patch would use this function to specify "gnome-games" [01:13] <jamesh> sivang: the helper library can deduce the correct URLs based on one of a number of pieces of info [01:13] <mvo> Kamion: you will know when it switches from "status" to "download" (probably "status" should be renamed to something better as well) [01:14] <jamesh> s/helper library/helper app/ [01:14] <mvo> Kamion: ups :) the other way around of course [01:14] <jamesh> the library currently passes the PID, but could be modified to pass the source package name instead (if it knows what that is) [01:15] <sivang> jamesh: so that measn you'd have to incroporate your python logic into the c library for finding this info? [01:15] <jamesh> sivang: nope. [01:15] <Kamion> mvo: ok [01:15] <jamesh> sivang: add an API like this_is_my_source_package_name("...") [01:16] <sivang> Kamion: I owe you this from last night, ii oem-config-locale 0.13ubuntu4 [01:16] <mvo> Kamion: do you have a good idea for something better than "status"; "dpkg" is probably too specific, "installing" misses the point when it comes to removals; "package-manager" does not sounds righ [01:16] <Kamion> sivang: thanks [01:18] <sivang> jamesh: so in every patched app I use this API call to specify the source package of the app I'm patching ? [01:19] <jamesh> sivang: It'd probably be better to make it optional (so that all the existing app patches continue to work) [01:19] <seb128> sivang: could you focus on the bonobo changes, I'm almost done with the GtkUIManager patches, don't bother with them [01:19] <jamesh> sivang: just use it where it is actually necessary (e.g. gnome-games) [01:20] <sivang> jamesh: ok [01:20] <sivang> seb128: ok [01:21] <Kamion> mvo: not really [01:21] <Kamion> mvo: pmstatus? [01:22] <sivang> seb128: I suggest we update the wiki page with packages that are done [01:22] <mvo> Kamion: pmstatus sounds better [01:24] <seb128> sivang: yeah, I've planned to do so [01:25] <sivang> seb128: becasue I was going to do epiphany, would be nice to see what you already did in order not to duplicate work [01:25] <sivang> seb128: either way, I'll concentrate on boonbo now [01:26] <seb128> sivang: I've uploaded it some days ago [01:26] <seb128> sivang: and you asked before starting file-roller/gedit I thought you would do the same for other packages [01:27] <sivang> seb128: no it's ok, I havn't really did anything with it, I will ask you about it next time [01:31] <seb128> sivang: what is "clock", "fish", etc? [01:31] <martinhj> I have upgraded gnome-menus to the latest in the breezy repo, but the menu update dosn't work as it should: I get "The Application "gnome-panel" has quit unexpectedly." and have to restart the menu application.. When the new menu appears I also get a "I've detected a panel already running, [01:31] <martinhj> and will now exit." error message [01:31] <martinhj> is this common and known error? [01:32] <seb128> yep [01:32] <seb128> it crashes on update [01:32] <martinhj> ok [01:32] <seb128> gnome-session-remove gnome-panel [01:32] <seb128> gnome-panel [01:32] <seb128> that should restart it [01:34] <martinhj> yeah, but it works anyway... Only with the "detected a panel already running"-error that just reappears if I hit OK [01:34] <martinhj> but anyway, that steps you described got rid of it [01:35] <marcin> hi all [01:35] <marcin> I got a question [01:36] <marcin> I would like to create a package for ubuntu and I wonder what is a preferred method [01:36] <azeem> cdbs [01:36] <marcin> should I follow maint-guide and use simple scripts in rules file [01:36] <sivang> seb128: applets that I found in the desktop seed [01:37] <marcin> or maybe I should use cdbs scripts? [01:37] <marcin> azeem: so cdbs? [01:39] <seb128> sivang: fish is an universe package ... [01:39] <seb128> marcin: depending on what you do, for GNOME we use cdbs by example :) [01:39] <seb128> sivang: BTW I've updated the wiki list [01:40] <azeem> marcin: I suggest you look at a couple of preexisting packages which mutually the same level of complexity and see how they do things [01:40] <mvo> Kamion: what kind of information should we present to the user? "Downloading %li of %li", "Downloading %li of %li (%s time remaining)"; or rather show the download rate? all of it? [01:41] <azeem> eh, s/mutually/roughly/ or something [01:43] <sivang> seb128: fish in universe is a scriping language, AFAICT [01:44] <seb128> sivang: that's my point, as said some time ago this is a list of sources packages [01:44] <marcin> well I plan to package something 'overcomplicated' - some packages for emacs [01:44] <seb128> sivang: ie: I've listed "gnome-games", not the pile of games, same for gnome-utils and the pile of utils [01:45] <sivang> seb128: I'm trying to find the source package for the fish applet (the one that just takes cpu time :) but cant ..:-/ [01:46] <sivang> seb128: it may be part of gnome-applets [01:47] <seb128> gnome-panel: /usr/lib/gnome-panel/fish-applet-2 [01:47] <Kamion> mvo: I'd skip the time remaining bit, and just have "Downloading <package>" and the percentage of total estimated download time in the percentage field [01:47] <Kamion> actually, no, not the percentage of total estimated download time, that might decrease [01:48] <Kamion> just the percentage of total bytes downloaded [01:48] <sivang> seb128: ok, so shall I list this as "gnome-panel" ? [01:48] <Kamion> hmm, I suppose progress bars often include time remaining indicators [01:48] <Kamion> so maybe "Downloading <package> (%s time remaining)"? [01:49] <seb128> sivang: yeah, you can make a list of what need to be patched like "gnome-panel (fish)" ... [01:50] <sivang> seb128: ok [01:51] <mvo> Kamion: "Downloaded %i of %i (%s time remaining)"? I can't attach a package name because it may download more than one pkg in parallel. [01:51] <Kamion> oh, ok [01:51] <Kamion> yeah, that's fine then [01:55] <sivang> Kamion: OEM_CONFIG_DEBUG=1 doesn't seem to produce more then what I have already sent you, though [02:04] <ogra> Edubuntu Meeting starting in #ubuntu-meeting [02:04] <ogra> in case someone is interested [02:11] <sivang> seb128: I'm trying to find the wanda fish just to glance at its bonnobo code, but can't find it int hte source pkg gnome-panle [02:11] <seb128> sivang: gnome-panel-2.11.90/applets/fish/ [02:11] <seb128> pitti: around? [02:13] <seb128> pitti: gst should be alsa by default? [02:16] <martinhj> is it any plans to move cdrdao in to main from universe and make nautilus depend on it? Copy disc for Audio cd-s depends on it.. "File image creation failed Could not run sub process: Failed to execute child process "cdrdao" (No such file or directory)." [02:16] <seb128> please open a bugzilla about this on n-c-b [02:16] <sivang> seb128: doh, I'm braindead [02:17] <jamesh> seb128: would the new autoaudiosink be a better choice? [02:17] <martinhj> n-c-b? [02:17] <mvo> Kamion: it's in michael.vogt@ubuntu.com--2005/apt--progress-reporting--0 (see README.progress-reporting for the format). I tested it lightly with aptitude, it should work [02:17] <mvo> (the download progress reporting that is) [02:18] <seb128> jamesh: BBB recommends to not use it with the current version ... I'll ping him again on next one [02:18] <jamesh> martinhj: the bug would be that the nautilus-cd-burner package doesn't depend on cdrdao when it should [02:20] <pitti> seb128: no, gst should default to esd [02:20] <seb128> pitti: the wiki is not clear [02:21] <seb128> " done: dmix by default, gstreamer->alsa" [02:21] <seb128> you put this description !? [02:21] <pitti> seb128: it was an option, but dmix is not mature enough to actually do that [02:21] <Kamion> mvo: you clear APT::Keep-Fds entirely in dpkgpm.cc - doesn't that break people who're trying to set APT::Keep-Fds on the command line? [02:22] <seb128> pitti: k, that's what I thought, but since the goal page states other way ... [02:22] <janimo> Kamion is there an uptodate baz branch of apt? the ones on arch.ubuntu.com do seem dates [02:22] <janimo> err,dated [02:23] <Kamion> janimo: nothing to do with me [02:23] <mvo> Kamion: IIRC I clear it after the dpkg run. but it still is probably wrong (/me checks again) [02:24] <Kamion> janimo: http://people.debian.org/~mdz/arch/apt@packages.debian.org/ is upstream [02:24] <Kamion> and in fact has the Ubuntu branch too [02:25] <Kamion> mvo: right, seems to me that will break debconf passthrough [02:25] <mvo> Kamion: yes, I'll fix it now [02:25] <Kamion> thanks [02:33] <CarlFK> hi Kamion - just sending you "baseconfig from stuck breezy install" [02:35] <martinhj> seb128: Now the cdrdao-bug is filed, but I could not change the "Target Milestone" to "Ubuntu 5.10" [02:35] <seb128> milestone is not something for users [02:35] <seb128> that's up to the maintainer to decide when he wants to fix an issue [02:36] <seb128> thanks for the bug [02:37] <martinhj> no problem at all, it is the least I could do [02:39] <Kamion> CarlFK: hmm, the menu-mapping file looks fine. Could you also send /var/log/base-config.log? [02:43] <CarlFK> comming up [02:44] <Kamion> mvo: hooray, works great [02:46] <mvo> now I only need to fix this "$$"*/($ fd problem you just mentioned. it turns out to be harder than expected [02:49] <Kamion> I need a new debconf to make the progress bar UI not *totally* suck, but apart from that ... [02:53] <Kamion> mvo: is it a problem with deleting items from configuration lists? [02:53] <mvo> Kamion: yes, libapt seems to not support it at all [02:54] <Kamion> mvo: Configuration has a copy constructor - maybe you could back up _config and then restore it, or something [02:54] <Kamion> or back up the APT::Keep-Fds tree, I guess [02:55] <Kamion> except libapt doesn't seem to support reinserting subtrees either, ugh [02:56] <Kamion> maybe you could Clear() it and then go through the backup subtree reinserting all the elements ... [02:56] <mvo> Kamion: I'm considering to just add "Clear(List, value)" to support removing certain values from lists [02:57] <CarlFK> Kamion - http://thwackugh.personnelware.com/carl/temp/base-config.log [02:58] <CarlFK> I think I see "my" problem [02:58] <CarlFK> wait... wget not found? [02:59] <Kamion> wget is only there after the package selection step runs successfully; it's not part of the base system [02:59] <Kamion> which implies pkgsel fell over, which implies the image is just hosed *shrug* [02:59] <CarlFK> is that "new"? [02:59] <Kamion> no [02:59] <Kamion> well, not very. breezy. [02:59] <CarlFK> ah [02:59] <Kamion> yesterday's image had broken aptitude/libsigc++ depends, I think [03:00] <Kamion> which would've broken pkgsel, so it may've been that [03:00] <Kamion> should be fixed today [03:00] <Kamion> there's no output from pkgsel in your log at all ... [03:05] <luis_> sweet. [03:05] <luis_> my dep problems after a hoary->breezy upgrade are so bad that they crashed synaptic. :) [03:11] <[linesca] > jbailey: Hi [03:12] <jbailey> [linesca] : Heya! [03:12] <[linesca] > jbailey: you got time to look at these blades [03:13] <jbailey> [linesca] : Yup, that's what I'm here for. =) [03:13] <[linesca] > jbailey: cool. I have a clean install of Ubuntu. What you want next ? [03:14] <jbailey> [linesca] : A clean install that doesn't boot, right? [03:14] <[linesca] > jbailey: Right [03:15] <jbailey> Kamion mentioend rescue mode on the CD yesterday, lemme try that. [03:15] <jbailey> (I'm just trying it locally) [03:15] <jbailey> Hmm. [03:15] <[linesca] > jbailey: OK, I am new to Ubuntu.... I take it at the boot option just enter rescue [03:15] <jbailey> Need an i386 boot cd rather than amd64, gimme a sec to burn it. [03:15] <jbailey> [linesca] : Looks like it. [03:16] <[linesca] > np [03:22] <mdke> Riddell, ping [03:23] <Riddell> mdke: hi [03:23] <mdke> Riddell, hello :) did you see that email from a Geoffrey Ready, pointing out the mistake on the -uk homepage? [03:23] <Kamion> [linesca] : yes [03:23] <Riddell> yes [03:23] <[linesca] > Kamion: cool ta [03:24] <mdke> Riddell, better change "Britain" to "UK" or Kamion will get you... [03:24] <CarlFK> Kamion - just ran the same install using the new iso - still no wget, but it did let me "exit the base sys config" without erroring [03:24] <Kamion> did it throw you into aptitude? [03:25] <CarlFK> no. put me at a login: prompt [03:25] <Kamion> I think I'm really going to have to look at this myself, sorry - it's too hard to debug remotely [03:25] <CarlFK> oh yeah, you said wget isn't sposed to be there, so that is fine too [03:26] <Kamion> no, it's not fine [03:26] <Kamion> it's not supposed to be there before pkgsel runs successfully, but finish runs after pkgsel [03:26] <Kamion> so that implies pkgsel failed, which should not have happened without kicking you into aptitude or displaying some reason why it failed or something [03:26] <CarlFK> ah [03:27] <[linesca] > Kamion Jbailey: I am now in rescue mode [03:27] <jbailey> [linesca] : Lovely, my CD burn just finished and I'm rebooting. [03:28] <Kamion> mvo: can I inject my own commands into the apt status protocol assuming I prefix them with _ or something? [03:28] <[linesca] > Jbailey: Perfect timing :) [03:28] <jbailey> I haven't played with resuce mode before. I usually go into the menu and load the drivers that I need and such [03:28] <Kamion> mvo: I'd like to be able to use _start and _stop to control my debconf progress bar widget [03:28] <Kamion> jbailey: it's really just an automation of that [03:28] <jbailey> Kamion: Ah, sweet. [03:28] <Kamion> I got bored of explaining to people how to do it themselves [03:28] <mvo> Kamion: yes, that should be ok [03:28] <Kamion> and got somewhat bored of doing it myself, for that matter [03:28] <Kamion> mvo: thanks [03:28] <jbailey> Kamion: ;) [03:30] <Zomb> hi [03:30] <Zomb> mozilla in Hoary (sec. update) dies with: INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory? [03:30] <Zomb> a known problem? [03:30] <siretart> any extensions installed? [03:30] <bob2> did you restart it after updating it? [03:31] <Zomb> siretart: nothing special. Dies even on fresh user accounts. [03:31] <CarlFK> Kamion - do you want ssh access to the box? [03:32] <Kamion> CarlFK: nah, it's ok, I'll look at the problem later today [03:32] <Kamion> but I'm writing other code just now [03:32] <jbailey> Kamion: Ooo, aside from the black on white text, this is just lovely. [03:32] <Kamion> jbailey: oh, in the shell, you mean? yeah, bterm ... [03:32] <Zomb> oh, Ubuntu packages are not an option, using upstream firefox again [03:32] <CarlFK> no prob - I just wanted a box I could try to build transcode on, and I think I have that now [03:33] <jbailey> Kamion: Thanks for the hack. =) [03:33] <sivang> [linesca] : what machines do you try to install on? [03:33] <jbailey> [linesca] : Cool, so now do: [03:33] <jbailey> [linesca] : mount /proc [03:33] <[linesca] > sivang: HS20 Blade [03:33] <jbailey> [linesca] : Actually mount /sys is better [03:34] <Zomb> oh, sorry, it's caused by java [03:34] <[linesca] > jbailey: got the whole lot mounted at the moment [03:37] <jbailey> [linesca] : cd into /proc/scsi [03:38] <jbailey> If you do ls -al, there should be a directory or two in there, what are they? [03:38] <[linesca] > jbailey: hold two, phone is going [03:38] <jbailey> [linesca] : I'm patient [03:38] <[linesca] > customers.......! [03:39] <sivang> [linesca] : I an trying to make mine work on the pSeries :) [03:39] <jbailey> [linesca] : I'm not allowed to rant about customers in Ubuntu channels ;) [03:40] <[linesca] > jbailey: life would be so much easier if they were not aloowed to touch stuff :) [03:40] <[linesca] > sivang: nice [03:42] <[linesca] > jbailey /proc appears empty [03:43] <jbailey> [linesca] : Umm. You said earlier you had the whole lot mounted. Did you do a mount -a? [03:43] <jbailey> That ought to have caught it... [03:43] <[linesca] > jbailey: just mounted root fs from rescue dialogue [03:43] <jbailey> Oh, I see. =) [03:43] <jbailey> Please type mount /proc [03:43] <zul> jbailey: you rant anyways :) [03:44] <jbailey> zul: Only about you, dear, and last I checked you weren't a customer. =) [03:45] <[linesca] > jbailey: sorry, I am in.....It contains device_info mptscsih scsi sg usb-storage [03:45] <jbailey> *grumble* [03:45] <jbailey> I wonder why initrd-tools didn't load that? [03:47] <bddebian> Howdy [03:47] <mdke> tseng, http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-docs/ is lost again [03:50] <doko> seb128: according to main inclusion queue glitz is already approved for main. Kamion, mdz, elmo: please move it to main [03:51] <jbailey> [linesca] : Let's actually check first to make sure that this is really the problem. [03:52] <jbailey> [linesca] : 'cause I'm fairly certain that I dealt with mptscsih a year ago. [03:52] <jbailey> [linesca] : Please do mkinitrd -k -o /tmp/foo [03:53] <[linesca] > jbailey: done [03:54] <jbailey> [linesca] : Hop into the directory that it told you about. [03:54] <[linesca] > jbailey /proc/scsi ? [03:55] <jbailey> No, the mkinitrd command should've told you that the temp directory for /tmp/SOMETHING [03:55] <[linesca] > jbailey : done [03:57] <jbailey> [linesca] : There should be a modules and a modules.2 file in there [03:58] <jbailey> [linesca] : cat them please and look for mptscsih ? [03:59] <[linesca] > jbailey: it is in both [04:00] <luis_> daniels: do you have a report of xlibs pre-installation scripts failing? [04:00] <jbailey> [linesca] : This really sounds like it's not the problem we're having then. [04:02] <jbailey> [linesca] : Please do a mount -a [04:02] <jbailey> [linesca] : Is your keyboard ps/2 or usb? [04:03] <[linesca] > Jbailey: PS/2 [04:03] <ogra> luis_, tons :) [04:04] <jbailey> [linesca] : Cool. Please edit (using vi or whatever) /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf [04:04] <jbailey> You'll see a "DELAY=0" in there, please change it to 5 [04:04] <mdke> elmo, have recovered the linode server, is there any chance you can point http://docteam.ubuntu.com at it? [04:07] <[linesca] > jbailey: customers again, back in two [04:07] <jdthood> Has anyone reported problems starting the latest OOo? [04:09] <jbailey> jdthood: It doesn't install for me, so.. =) [04:10] <jdthood> 'OpenOffice.org cannot be started due to an error in accessing the OpenOffice.org configuration data. Please contact your system administrator. The following internal error has occurred: GetStorage, name: "No Content!' [04:10] <luis_> works fine here, except for the normal 'longer to startup than any other app on this machine by a factor of 2, at least' [04:11] <jdthood> OOo version 1.1.4-5ubuntu1 except for -debian-files which is still 1.1.4-3+2ubuntu1 in the archive [04:16] <daniels> luis_: like fifty [04:16] <daniels> luis_: you can have some of mine if you like [04:20] <[linesca] > jbailey: sorry about that it is done [04:26] <jbailey> [linesca] : Cool. So I'll get you to do [04:26] <jbailey> [linesca] : mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) [04:26] <jbailey> [linesca] : And then reboot. The will put in a five second pause at startup [04:27] <jbailey> [linesca] : First time, I want you to try letting it continue to see if it really is just the scsi bus waking up slowl. [04:27] <jbailey> [linesca] : And failing that it will also let us drop into a shell to polke around. [04:27] <[linesca] > jbailey: np [04:31] <[linesca] > jbailey: that failed :( [04:33] <jbailey> [linesca] : did it say 'pauasing for 5 seconds' ? [04:33] <[linesca] > np: yep, I am now in a shell [04:36] <jbailey> [linesca] : But just waiting for 5 seconds gave the same failure as before? [04:37] <[linesca] > jbailey: Yes it did [04:38] <Kamion> on base-config. grumble. [04:39] <Kamion> 99MB trace, whee [04:51] <pitti> Morning lamont! [04:52] <mvo> Kamion: I commited the fixed apt--progress-reporting to baz. it should keep your fds now. please report any problems you may find :) [04:54] <Kamion> mvo: great, thanks. I'm fighting with FIFO handling in base-config at the moment; will test once I've resolved that [04:54] <elmo> mvo: ? [04:54] <mvo> elmo: ? [04:55] <elmo> mvo: is this apu-* stuff planned for main? [04:55] <mvo> elmo: eventually, but universe is fine for now, I haven't done the MainInclusionReport stuff (yet) [04:56] <mvo> Kamion: thanks [04:56] <elmo> mvo: not to be a kill joy or anything, but a couple of things scare me [04:56] <elmo> mvo: 'update' is very generic as a username isn't it? [04:56] <elmo> mvo: and can this random editing of /etc/sudoers possibly be policy compliant? [04:58] <mvo> elmo: probably not, but it's meant for clients that should be automatically managed [04:58] <mvo> elmo: if the admin has to walk over for each client and edit sudoers (and sources.list and friends) by hand there wouldn't be much point in having the package [04:58] <mvo> (IMO) [04:59] <elmo> well, sure, I can see why you're doing it; it's just well... [05:00] <mvo> elmo: I'm open for better ideas of course. I think I will (at least) add a big fat warning in the package description of the client that it should _only_ be installed if the machine should be part of a apu network [05:04] <jdthood> pitti: #12276 is assigned to alsa-driver. What should be done about it? [05:05] <pitti> jdthood: well, it's a bug in the kernel drivers; it should probably be reported upstream [05:09] <mdz> doko: according to main inclusion queue, glitz was already promoted [05:10] <pitti> glitz | 0.4.3+cvs20050728-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Sources [05:10] <pitti> hm, obviously not yet [05:18] <elmo> doko: ? [05:24] <doko> mdz: according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libc/libcairo/0.6.0-0ubuntu3/libcairo_0.6.0-0ubuntu3_20050803-1548-i386-failed.gz, not yet [05:24] <doko> elmo: pong [05:25] <elmo> doko: are you sure all these c++ libs, only have the c++ transition as the ubuntu change? [05:25] <elmo> [Updating] imagemagick (6:6.2.3.1-1ubuntu1 [Ubuntu] < 6:6.2.3.4-1 [Debian] ) [05:25] <elmo> and that's a UVF [05:26] <doko> elmo: ouch. I did check those, and mentioned these with new upstream versions explicitely. obviously I missed imagemagick [05:27] <elmo> the rest are safe to sync tho, right? [05:27] <doko> elmo: yes, all do have the very same library package name [05:29] <mdz> elmo: glitz doesn't seem to show up in anastacia output, though libcairo build-deps on it [05:30] <elmo> mdz: the libcario upload probably post dates the last cron.sync run [05:30] <elmo> rerunning it [05:31] <elmo> mdz: you can rerun cron.sync arbitrarily, but just be careful you don't clash it with cron.daily or germinate + anastacia will get all kinds of confused [05:31] <elmo> unfortunately (esp. with edubuntu) it's really too slow to run every cron.daily [05:31] <ogra> elmo, anything i can do to not be the bad guy here ? [05:32] <ogra> :) [05:32] <mdz> oh, I didn't realize this was a new situation [05:32] <mdz> I assumed from the fact that it already had a main inclusion report, and that doko expected it to be promoted, that it had been this way for a while [05:32] <elmo> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:25:13 +0200 [05:32] <elmo> * debian/control, debian/rules: [05:32] <elmo> - build with glitz. [05:33] <elmo> I'm guessing based on that changelog [05:33] <elmo> ogra: it's not edubuntu particularly, germinate's just not very fast. well and jackass is getting a bit old in the tooth [05:33] <doko> mdz: libatomic-ops was built with gcc-3.3, not 4.0 [05:33] <jamesh> there's not that much of a reason to link cairo to glitz [05:34] <ogra> elmo, time for an upgrade ;) [05:34] <jamesh> given that the current plan for acceleration is for Cairo to use RENDER, and have the X server accelerate RENDER using glitz [05:35] <seb128> jamesh: according to doko OO.o wants it [05:38] <doko> jamesh: OOo2 wants a glitz enabled cairo, if cairo is enabled at all for the OOo2 build. [05:45] <mvo> elmo: I thought a bit about the problem (with apu-client) and I'll do it differently now. thanks for your comments [05:47] <elmo> mvo: ok - mind if I reject the existing packages for now? [05:47] <mvo> elmo: fine with me [05:58] <elmo> doko: grr [05:58] <elmo> taglib in Debian is producing libtagc0 [05:58] <elmo> as opposed to our libtagc0c2 [06:00] <mdz> elmo: could anastacia delimit the binaries with spaces rather than commas, for better cut-and-pasteability? [06:01] <elmo> mdz: sure, done [06:01] <mdz> thanks [06:03] <doko> elmo: correct, I need to rebuild the depending package (streamtuner) [06:04] <azeem> is libtagc0 a C++ library? [06:04] <azeem> there is libtagc1c2 in Debian [06:04] <azeem> eh, libtag1c2 [06:04] <elmo> azeem: I think it's a C++ in C thing [06:04] <elmo> there's something about it in the changelog [06:04] <azeem> so the Debian NMU was incorrect? [06:05] <elmo> no [06:05] <elmo> or, rather I don't know [06:05] <elmo> or much care - I'm just going to trust doko, and beat him up later if he's wrong ;) [06:05] <azeem> well, Ubuntu and Debian transition in a different way [06:05] <elmo> azeem: err, no they don't? [06:05] <doko> according to the changelog, it does have a C API, so the name should not be changed. I'll check aggain [06:06] <azeem> 17:54 < elmo> as opposed to our libtagc0c2 [06:06] <azeem> well, *shrug* [06:06] <elmo> azeem: right, but it was an unrecoginsed C++ implemented in C thing [06:06] <elmo> we still transition in the same way, when we both recognise real C++ libraries [06:06] <azeem> aha. [06:10] <doko> elmo: I still look healthy ;) [06:29] <lamont> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [06:29] <lamont> archdetect: Depends: libdebian-installer4 (>= 0.31) [06:29] <lamont> kbd-chooser: Depends: libdebian-installer4 (>= 0.31) [06:29] <lamont> sucks to be amd64 [06:31] <Kamion> lamont: what's that, a d-i build? [06:31] <Kamion> libdebian-installer4 | 0.31 | breezy | amd64, hppa, i386, powerpc, sparc [06:32] <lamont> yeah, this mornings [06:32] <Kamion> I assume a retry would work [06:32] <Kamion> but libdebian-installer4 0.31 has been there for a while [06:32] <lamont> probably [06:32] <Kamion> like, four or five days [06:33] <Kamion> -rw-r--r-- 1 lamont buildd 14455 Jul 28 16:49 libdebian-installer_0.31_20050728-1648-amd64-successful.gz [06:36] <elmo> it's been failing for several days now [06:36] <elmo> the d-i daily build I mean [06:37] <Kamion> Unpacking libdebian-installer4 (from .../libdebian-installer4_0.30_amd64.deb) ... [06:37] <Kamion> doesn't it auto-'apt-get update'? [06:38] <Kamion> 'cos I have no idea where it's getting that .deb from unless it's its local cache [06:38] <elmo> modern sbuild does - I would hope ours is synced enough to do that [06:38] <dilinger> is there a backports site for hoary/ubuntu? [06:39] <lamont> elmo: modern buildd does [06:39] <elmo> err, buildd right [06:40] <lamont> good catch elmo [06:40] <lamont> Kamion: and thanks for pointing me in the right direction [06:40] <Kamion> ah, good, glad it wasn't my fault ;) [06:42] <ogra> dilinger, talk to Mez, he should make a wikipage with a list [06:42] <lamont> Kamion/elmo: you want an amd64 daily today, then? [06:43] <Kamion> lamont: *shrug* can live [06:43] <elmo> lamont: not fussed [06:43] <seb128> elmo, Kamion: can you move libexif12 to main? soname change ... [06:44] <elmo> seb128: done [06:44] <seb128> thanks [06:44] <seb128> (s/can/could) [06:53] <doko> pitti: when was our meeting with carlos, I remember 16:30 UTC ? [06:53] <carlos> doko, in 40 minutes [06:54] <doko> ah, ok [06:54] <carlos> but I'm already here so if you want to do it earlier, is ok for me [06:55] <pitti> doko: 1730 UTC, I think [06:55] <pitti> carlos: I still need some time to discuss with jdthood [06:55] <carlos> ok [06:58] <nomeata> Why is murphy suddenly not accepting my mails? SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data: host murphy.debian.org [146.82.138.6] : 550 Error: improper use of 8-bit data in message header [06:59] <elmo> nomeata: err, -ECHAN [07:01] <Kamion> elmo: crap, I entirely forgot something about the ubuntu-base split. Could you please add "Task: ubuntu-standard" headers to the breezy Packages files for stuff in germinate's 'standard' outputs, the same as is done for ubuntu-desktop? [07:02] <Kamion> this might be one reason CarlFK's network installs have been going a bit weird [07:05] <elmo> Kamion: ok - mostly done, will finish/test when this cron.daily is over [07:06] <Kamion> elmo: cool, thanks [07:06] <Kamion> sometime, kubuntu-standard and kubuntu-desktop Task lines would be nice too, although I appreciate the potential combinatorial explosion [07:06] <elmo> and edubuntu-* presumably too? [07:07] <Kamion> yeah [07:07] <elmo> ok [07:07] <Kamion> although I'm not sure if there's a target for netboot installs of edubuntu [07:07] <Kamion> it doesn't matter for CD image installs, debian-cd fills stuff in itself [07:09] <nomeata> elmo: oops. right. I have to get used to being in two -devel channels now :-) [07:11] <ogra> Kamion, people smart enough to use netboot should be able to just install edubuntu-server and edubuntu-desktop on top of a minimal system... [07:11] <Mez> infinity or lamont, ping [07:11] <ogra> so one netinstaller iso should be enough... [07:12] <Kamion> ogra: I don't particularly want netboot to be for people who are "smart enough" [07:12] <Kamion> ogra: the point is base-config goes wrong in a non-obvious way [07:12] <ogra> oh [07:12] <ogra> ok [07:13] <Kamion> that said, there aren't actually netboot images available for Kubuntu or Edubuntu with the appropriately-twiddled preseeds at the moment, so you're right that the bar is somewhat higher than it is for Ubuntu netboot [07:13] <ogra> yes, but i'm rather interested in a liveCD/DVD iso then in a netboot one to be honest [07:14] <ogra> s/but// [07:14] <Kamion> right, if that's the main target then that's fine [07:14] <Riddell> I get quite a few requests for netboot kubuntu [07:15] <Kamion> I'll try to sort that out closer to release, but my feature freeze targets have to take priority at the moment [07:15] <pkern> Does anyone know where I could get source-dependencies for sbuild to get it building for hoary? [07:18] <elmo> yeah [07:18] <pkern> k [07:18] <elmo> source-dependencies are obsolete [07:18] <pkern> elmo: Also with the stock buildd instead of the debian-admin one? [07:19] <elmo> debian-admin one is the stock one now; at least AFAIC [07:19] <lamont> Kamion: the daily chroot updates at 0215 DCT made the chroot generally current.. [07:30] <pitti> doko_, carlos: #ubuntu-meeting? [07:39] <elmo> argh cron.sync is such a hideous freakin mess [07:39] <ogra> eeek, glitz broke my pbuilder ? [07:40] <seb128> how? [07:40] <ogra> checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package glitz was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `glitz.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable Package 'glitz', required by 'cairo', not found [07:40] <ogra> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; [07:41] <seb128> sure, waiting is the wait to get bug fixed [07:41] <seb128> I guess that libcairo1-dev should Depends on libglitz-dev [07:42] <ogra> seb128, glitz isnt in main yet if i understood correctly [07:43] <seb128> no, that's not the issue you have [07:43] <ogra> oh [07:43] <seb128> cairo.pc probably mentions glitz [07:43] <ogra> likely... according to the error [07:43] <seb128> Requires: fontconfig libpixman xrender libpng12 glitz [07:44] <ogra> yup [07:46] <seb128> and glitz is main atm [07:47] <ogra> oh... it wasnt this morning iirc [07:47] <Kamion> I don't understand, glitz is in main now and it does sound as if libcairo1-dev should depend on libglitz1-dev if its .pc file has that dependency [07:48] <Kamion> oh, sorry, seb128 said that
 I guess that libcairo1-dev should Depends on libglitz-dev [07:48] <seb128> I'm fixing atm [07:48] <Kamion> I thought ogra said that and seb128 contradicted, so I got very confused, whoops [07:48] <ogra> Kamion, i just misunderstood the error seb128 clearified... [07:49] <seb128> fix uploaded [07:50] <elmo> Kamion: ok, all done - {,k,e}ubuntu-{desktop,standard} tasks - can you check override.breezy.main.extra and make sure it looks sane? [07:57] <mxpxpod> is there a way to get horizontal scrolling using the microsoft bluetooth explorer mouse in xorg? [07:59] <Kamion> elmo: yes, looks pretty much OK to me [08:10] <sabdfl> jbailey: hiya - could you fix bzr in breezy please? [08:11] <bddebian> Wow, now that is a greeting :-) [08:13] <sabdfl> usually followed by kthxbye ;-) [08:35] <trygvebw> wow, it works :D [08:46] <jbailey> sabdfl: Yes, dear. =) [08:46] <sabdfl> thanks honey ;-) [08:46] <bddebian> heh [08:47] <Treenaks> And the predictions come true :) Novell is going to create "OpenSuse", to get more community participation [08:47] <Treenaks> http://news.com.com/Novell+seeks+outside+help+with+Linux/2100-7344_3-5816079.html [08:47] <sabdfl> bddebian: he gets this much tenderness because his hair is longer than mine [08:47] <sabdfl> yay! good for them, finally [08:48] <Treenaks> yeah, maybe it'll fix the issues I'm having with suse on my work desktop [08:49] <Treenaks> sabdfl: and they copy well: [08:49] <Treenaks> sabdfl: Novell plans to distribute Suse Linux CDs in magazines, at trade shows and meetings, and possibly by sending them to those who just ask. [08:49] <sivang> hehe [08:49] <bddebian> sabdfl: Scary ;-) [08:49] <Treenaks> -- news.com.com.com [08:49] <sivang> sabdfl: how does it feel to be a pioneer :) [08:51] <jbailey> sabdfl: Ah. By 'fix' you mean put it in there at all? =) [08:52] <elmo> bzr | 0.0.5-2.1 | breezy/universe | source [08:53] <jbailey> Ah, a pile of failed builds. [08:53] <sivang> Treenaks: so nice to see that Ubuntu doesn't need to be "open" , it already is :) [08:54] <Treenaks> sivang: I mailed the link sounder :) [08:54] <Treenaks> +to [08:54] <HiddenWolf> Ah, well, it's good for the linux community in general [08:55] <HiddenWolf> Just hope that not too many people get put off by them. :P [08:56] <maswan> heh. OpenUbuntu. that just looks weird. [08:56] <Treenaks> maswan: that's just too goatse I guess [08:56] <maswan> a 3-handed goatse as logo? [08:57] <Treenaks> maswan: Well, "open" -> "more open" -> "goatse" [08:59] <bddebian> Better make sure there's no Unixware code in there.. ;-P [09:03] <HiddenWolf> About that opensuse thing, I think we can say they did an Ubuntu. How about adding that to wikipedia. ;) [09:06] <martinhj> mjg59: ok, I have now tested ACPI events with vanilla 2.6.12.3 from kernel.org on my Acer TravelMate 620.. it works with that kernel, but not with Ubuntu one... I have done some more testing also.. want me to write a bug-report on it? [09:09] <mvo> Kamion: did you had a chance to test the improved apt--progress-reporting code? does it keep your fds now? [09:14] <Kamion> mvo: I got somewhat sidetracked by realising I had to rewrite a chunk of base-config before I could test it [09:14] <Kamion> and further sidetracked by a piece of my network randomly failing for no good reason, so I had to rig up an alternative route via my laptop [09:14] <mvo> mdz: just a FYI: apt--progress-reporting contains some more changes to better support net-installs. could you please have a look and consider a merge (once kamion had a chance to do some more testing)? [09:14] <mvo> Kamion: ok, no problem. thanks for the update [09:14] <Kamion> I'm still on it, though, but only have about fifteen more minutes this evening [09:16] <mvo> that's fine, I should stop working too, I'm not 100% concentracted anymore [09:17] <Kamion> I'm fine, the freaking world keeps breaking that's all :P [09:17] <mvo> heh :) [09:19] <mdz> mvo: it changes the API [09:19] <mdz> I guess since I haven't released 0.6.40, that's OK [09:20] <mvo> mdz: the api? what bit? [09:20] <mdz> mvo: Configuration::Clear() [09:20] <mdz> it adds two new functions [09:20] <mdz> anyway, the soname is already updated in mainline, so it's OK [09:20] <mdz> mvo: I've merged to patch-22 [09:20] <mvo> mdz: yes, it breaks the abi, but the other change did that too [09:20] <mdz> mvo: that's what I just said [09:20] <mvo> mdz: yes, sorry (was not quick enough). thanks for merging [09:21] <mvo> mdz: the two new cleaers where needed because apts configuration class let you not remove a single element from a configuration list. only complete subtrees [09:26] <dholbach> hellas [09:26] <pitti> Hi dholbach [09:26] <dholbach> hey pitti :) [09:27] <ogra> ol [09:28] <janimo> hey daniel [09:29] <dholbach> janimo: !!! :) [09:29] <dholbach> janimo: had some xfce action today? [09:30] <janimo> am doing it just now :) [09:30] <janimo> hope to get it in shape these days [09:30] <janimo> then I'll need to close lots of bugs [09:32] <dholbach> :) [09:55] <siretart> fabbione: ping [09:59] <siretart> does anyone know how fabbione is doing? I haven't read him since some time.. [10:00] <bddebian> I usually see him come on late at night my time [10:00] <mdz> siretart: fabbione is on holiday [10:00] <siretart> ah, that explains [10:00] <siretart> mdz: I have a friend you would like to offer sparc hardware and hosting to ubuntu, for buildd [10:02] <mdz> siretart: fabbione would be the person to talk to about our sparc needs [10:03] <siretart> ok. Then my memory didn't fool me this time :) [10:09] <pitti> yay, l-restricted modules, thanks mdz! [10:15] <siretart> woohoo! [10:17] <doko> elmo, mdz, Kamion: please promote libtagc0 to main (package name changed back from libtagc0c2) [10:33] <\sh> evening [10:36] <sivang> evening \sh , what's cooking ? ;) [10:39] <\sh> sivang: well..I just ate some turkish food :) lamacun + dner [10:45] <\sh> doko: ping [10:45] <doko> pong [10:46] <\sh> doko: do I understand the CxxLibraryResync list correct, that we sync all libs back from debian? [10:48] <ogra> Mez, somebody asked for a list of all backportaed packages today, could you make a wikipage with a list ? its not the first time this was asked here [10:49] <doko> yes, if there are no new upstreams at the moment. however, that's low priority. I just want to have these cases syncs, where the package name in ubuntu and debian diverges [10:51] <janimonoses> ogra, what do I need for bugzilla edit privilege? [10:51] <Burgundavia> ogra, a page already exists. Look in CategoryArchive on the wiki [10:51] <janimonoses> does bugzilla not share accounts with wiki/launchpad? [10:51] <ogra> janimonoses, nope [10:52] <ogra> janimonoses, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs [10:52] <janimonoses> so can you enable me editong bugs? [10:52] <janimonoses> ok I'll look [10:52] <\sh> doko: so we will take the transitioned package from debian and put our ubuntuX version postfix to it? right now it confuses me more then it's helping me [10:52] <ogra> janimonoses, i'll enable you again [10:52] <ogra> janimonoses, whats your bugzilla login ? [10:53] <janimonoses> jani dot monoses at gmail.com [10:54] <ogra> janimonoses, use the power wise ... youre empowered ;) [10:54] <janimonoses> ogra, thanks :) [10:55] <doko> \sh: no, we request a sync from unstable, which usually elmo does handle, without changing the source. the goal is to have these packages autosynced again [10:56] <janimonoses> ogra, I logged out then in and still cannot change the resolution field.in fact it is not shown [10:57] <janimonoses> ogra, nevermind I see it now [10:58] <\sh> doko: ok...but only then, if there is no new upstream release, only debian changes [10:58] <mdz> doko: aspell is broken now [10:59] <doko> mdz: I'll have a look [10:59] <pitti> good night, guys [10:59] <mdz> doko: it seems to need a newer dictionaries-common [11:01] <janimonoses> no way to control bugzilla by email? [11:05] <Amaranth> no [11:08] <ogra> hmpf... [11:09] <doko> mdz: no, d-c is ok. we now need to sync the dictionaries from unstable. I'm preparing a list [11:14] <mdz> doko: The following packages have unmet dependencies: [11:14] <mdz> aspell: Depends: dictionaries-common (> 0.40) but 0.30.2 is to be installed [11:16] <doko> mdz: yes, just found it [11:32] <yann__> seb128 o/ [11:33] <seb128> hi [11:34] <dholbach> hey seb128 :) [11:35] <seb128> daniel ! :) [11:35] <dholbach> woohoo! :) [11:35] <seb128> re dholbach [11:35] <seb128> :) [11:36] <dholbach> seb128, the gnome-inator is back :) [11:41] <doko> mdz: checked, that dictionaries-common-0.49.2 builds and installs fine on breezy. proposing this one for breezy. is an upload urgent, or can the sync wait until tomorrow? [11:44] <mdz> doko: does it need a merge or just a sync? [11:46] <mdz> argh, the new unionfs seems to break ltsp completely [11:47] <doko> mdz: sync only [11:48] <mdz> doko: I see no reason to wait [11:48] <mdz> if it will unbreak breezy [11:48] <elmo> eh, that doesn't mean upload it, instead of getting it synced tho [11:49] <doko> elmo: correct [11:49] <mdz> elmo: I see no reason to wait [before requesting a sync] [11:52] <dholbach> we're 8 minutes before the motu meeting - if you're interested.... :) [11:53] <niktaris> mdz, [11:56] <mdz> ogra: can moodle use php5-gd rather than php4-gd? [11:57] <ogra> mdz, i'll be looking at it soon... currently gcompris is on the surgery table here [11:58] <dholbach> ogra: a scalpel won't do - you'll need a welding apparatus or something :) [11:58] <doko> ogra: you're breaking it down in components? [11:58] <mdz> ogra: anastacia output is at people.u.c/~mdz/anastacia.txt [11:58] <ajmitch> doko: do you mind boa-constructor being imported from experimental after some testing? [11:58] <mdz> ogra: that shows which packages want to enter main (and thus need review and reports) [11:58] <ogra> dholbach, yes, i recognized... i just tried a patch cvs vs debian package... its HUGE ! [11:58] <doko> ajmitch: not at all [11:59] <ogra> mdz, ok, i'll go through it [11:59] <doko> ajmitch: using wx2.4 or 2.6 ? [11:59] <martinhj> with the new battstat-applet, when my battery is fully charged, the icon turns into a battery again even with the power cord connected.. [12:00] <niktaris> mdz, everything is ok with d-i (was missing a file) what would be needed to make casper work (besides putting it into d-i). It seems to load but complains about not finding the preinstalled session [12:00] <ogra> MOTU meeting starts in #ubuntu-meeting [12:00] <ajmitch> doko: 2.6 [12:01] <mdz> niktaris: you need to provide an ext2+cloop filesystem image [12:01] <mdz> that is sort of the core of a live CD, the filesystem image [12:02] <niktaris> mdz the cloop filesystem is there. What do you mean by ext2 ? [12:02] <doko> mdz: do you care about UVF for monotone (0.20 FTBFS in breezy, 0.21 compiles) [12:02] <mdz> niktaris: cloop is not a filesystem [12:02] <mdz> doko: UVF is pretty relaxed for universe [12:03] <doko> ajmitch: you do use wxversion for the the selection of the wx version? [12:03] <niktaris> mdz a compressed filesystem [12:03] <doko> mdz: fine. [12:03] <doko> elmo: please sync monotone [12:03] <mdz> niktaris: cloop compresses a file, any file. in the case of casper, that file must be an ext2 filesystem. [12:03] <ajmitch> doko: that's why was asking what is best, I wasn't sure what changed with recent wx [12:04] <ajmitch> doko: it currently depends on wxpython2.6-0

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2024-05-13T23:20:40.803803

2005-08-08-#launchpad

[12:19] <salgado> carlos, yes, I fixed. we only need to worry about it with security proxied objects. otherwise it won't break because int(NotSecurityProxiedPersonInstance) works [12:20] <carlos> salgado, well, at least I'm happy that the tests raised that error, did they? [12:20] <SteveA> casting an sqlobject instance to an int is kinda gross [12:21] <SteveA> we should not do that [12:21] <jordi> carlos, mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaFAQ?action=diff&rev2=5&rev1=4 [12:21] <lifeless> define __int___ on the class. because the class sin't the object that will be ok. [12:21] <lifeless> ;) [12:21] <SteveA> it already is defined on the class [12:21] <SteveA> it isn't defined on the interface [12:23] <salgado> lifeless, I agree with SteveA that we shouldn't be doing this, that's why I not even suggested adding __int__ to the interface [12:23] <lifeless> score 1 successful troll [12:25] <salgado> carlos, yes, I found the problem because the test failed. otherwise I would never find it [12:27] <carlos> SteveA, I don't remember the details about that code being that way but I think I had problems getting it as a SQLObject [12:29] <carlos> jordi, good stuff. thanks [12:29] <SteveA> expicitly use obj.id, not int(obj) [12:31] <jordi> carlos: sorery, I think liblaunchpad-integratiopn is GPL, but could not remember exactly [12:31] <jordi> is it? [12:32] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] i18n Launchpad front page as an example (patch-2211: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [12:37] <lifeless> jordi: it has to be - it ships on the CD's :) [12:37] <jordi> lifeless: could be LGPL, I mean [12:37] <jordi> is it exactly the GPL? [12:37] <lifeless> dunno, ask #ubuntu-devel I think [12:37] <lifeless> all I know is 'open source' [12:37] <jordi> free software! :) [12:38] <ddaa> open sores [12:39] <lifeless> dude, after the drop-dead sprint we've had ... erk [12:39] <ddaa> lifeless: any objection against rm'ing JobSourcerer? [12:39] <carlos> jordi, liblaunchpad-integration? what's that? [12:39] <lifeless> ddaa: none [12:40] <jordi> carlos: I thought it was the first bit of LP that was released [12:40] <lifeless> jordi: no, its entirely separate code [12:40] <carlos> jordi, not really [12:40] <lifeless> jordi: its written in C. [12:41] <lifeless> by the distro team [12:41] <carlos> jordi, I think the code we already released is related to the libraries we are using [12:41] <jordi> righto [12:41] <jordi> what got released then? [12:41] <jordi> carlos: what licence? :) [12:42] <lifeless> jordi - under the licence the project uses. [12:42] <lifeless> jordi - i.e. we've release zope changes, sqlobject, pqm, [12:42] <carlos> jordi, also, I need to request to Mark the python bindings for gettext to be released also as GPL, he agreed on that, I just need to request it by email so he sends me the approval signed with GPG [12:43] <jordi> lifeless: oh, I thought it was actual launchpad code [12:45] <carlos> jordi, the problem with releasing launchpad code as you think on it is that it's useless without the other parts of launchpad [12:47] <jordi> carlos: no, no [12:47] <jordi> I know that [12:48] <jordi> I just thought something had been released as Mark told me in London one day [12:48] <jordi> I was surprised that it had happened so early [12:48] <jordi> I probably missunderstood [12:48] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-73) [12:49] <carlos> jordi, well, our changes to zope, sqlobject and others are part of launchpad, I suppose he was refering to it [12:49] <carlos> jordi, but perhaps I'm missing something [12:50] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: reverse out ARCH_LOG in hooks - it is not an appropriate method for transferring such large amounts of data (patch-59: robert.collins@canonical.com) [12:50] <carlos> jordi, check it with mark [12:51] <ddaa> carlos: actually releasing rocketfuel would be meaningful imho, as it would address the "non-free infrastructure" issue, and would enable the community to actually make meaningful contributions. [12:51] <jordi> ca lnod [12:51] <jordi> in any case, that part of the FAQ needs to be corrected now [12:52] <mpt> jordi: looks fine, except (as I've already changed) it's https, not http [12:52] <jordi> hmm. [12:52] <jordi> I didn't write any URL, so I guess it was already there [12:52] <carlos> ddaa, I'm not arguing against it I want it released as free software too, it's just that it should be released all it at the same time or modify it to work without the other parts of launchpad [12:53] <jordi> mpt: thanks mate [12:53] <ddaa> carlos: ack, I must have missed the bit where you mentioned the specific bit you are talking about. [12:53] <jordi> carlos: that's mark's plan according to what he said [12:53] <jordi> (modifying it) [12:53] <carlos> I know [12:54] <ddaa> liblaunchpad... gettext bindings... zope changes, etc... all of that meaningful to realease alone... [12:55] <ddaa> certainly a "liblaunchpad" would not be useful without launchpad, in a practical sense, but it would certainly be necessary for things like integration in bazaar. [12:56] <elmo> boggle, we should certainly release zope changes we make [12:59] <lifeless> ddaa - its not xmlrpc stuff, its fire a web browser at a url [12:59] <lifeless> elmo we have., [01:00] <mpt> jordi: did you get the photo? [01:00] <ddaa> *shrug* I think I'm hopelessly out of sync. I'll just wait for the dust to settle a bit. [01:00] <jordi> mpt: yeah, thanks! [01:00] <jordi> Although I got all of them from you when we were at the sprint [01:00] <jordi> probably the others didn't [01:01] <Mez> why was my CoC sig modified? [01:01] <Mez> oh. nvm [01:01] <Mez> I'm etting old miail marked as read [01:01] <Mez> unread* [01:16] <ddaa> lifeless: what are the following statements in ImportDBuild for? [01:16] <ddaa> try: [01:16] <ddaa> getTxnManager().abort() [01:16] <ddaa> except psycopg.Error: [01:16] <ddaa> pass [01:16] <carlos> sivang, team created [01:16] <ddaa> As I understand the importd code, we should never be in a transaction there [01:17] <ddaa> (maybe it would be worth to be a bit more careful with that, to abort() in case of unhandled exception, but except for that issue) [01:18] <ddaa> There are couple of them, and I guess they might be related to db reconnection, but the justification eludes me... [01:19] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] cleanups to malone home page, and relabeling the post comment button (patch-2212: christian.reis@canonical.com) [01:21] <ddaa> okay... that's exactly what this code is about :) [01:44] <philiKON> how long does it usually take for a newly uploaded POT file to appear in rosetta as translatable messages? [01:47] <stub> I understand it is a bit backed logged at the moment as the next Ubuntu release is being imported. Unfortunately Carlos has just left so I can't give you any firm answer :-/ [01:49] <philiKON> hey stub [01:49] <philiKON> long time no see [01:49] <stub> yo ;) [01:49] <philiKON> i see you're with the canonical guys now :) [01:49] <philiKON> so, are we talking minutes, hours or days? [01:49] <stub> Yup. Didn't get to Europython this year unfortunately. [01:49] <philiKON> yeah, too bad [01:50] <philiKON> stayin' at the sgs again was fun :) [01:50] <ddaa> He's been here for a long time, he's our resident DB fascist^W admin^W magician. [01:51] <ddaa> postgres [01:51] <stub> I started about a two months after last years Europython [01:53] <philiKON> cool [01:59] <philiKON> stub, so, uploads to the database are queued and taken care of asynchronously? [02:01] <stub> Yes. Parsing it all and inserting it into the right data structures takes too much time to do otherwise. [02:01] <philiKON> right [02:02] <philiKON> so, your restarting the app won't affect my upload i guess [02:02] <stub> duplicate matching on a few multi-million row tables is rather expensive ;) [02:02] <stub> Nope [02:02] <philiKON> hehe [02:02] <philiKON> so, i presume we're rather talking hours then minutes here before the queue is processed, eh? [02:03] <ddaa> it's not like zodb is not a big enough hammer for our nails, but like... it's maybe a bit too small ;) [02:04] <philiKON> i know. RDBMS definitely have their uses [02:05] <ddaa> bah, we really, really, could have had a use for a proper object db. It's an issue of raw performance. [02:15] <stub> Yay bed time [02:15] <philiKON> g'night [02:35] <philiKON> ddaa, do you happen to know if anyone can translate things even though they're not in the team that owns the project template? [02:36] <ddaa> I'm deifinitely not the guy to give a definitive answer, but expect there would be at least some provision for that. [02:36] <ddaa> Having translations restricted by default would be against the whole community-building idea behind launchpad. [02:36] <ddaa> (but I'm really not into these things) [02:37] <philiKON> ok [02:37] <philiKON> thanks [02:57] <Luciph3r> raga .. notte a tutti ! [03:42] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial, rs=kiko for the bits I understand] Bugtask constraint improvements: disallow multiple tasks for the same bug with same product. Also adds a valid_branch_name constraint for Branches. Other little bits of fluff. Original patch by stuart.bishop@canonical.com, test fixed up by me. (patch-2213: christian.reis@canonical.com, stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [04:42] <robitaille> is it a known problem that a system error occurs when trying to display a bug report in Malone? [04:49] <kiko> robitaille, nope, it's not. where? [04:49] <robitaille> any buga i have tried...https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1625 [04:49] <robitaille> foe example [04:50] <robitaille> s/foe/for [04:50] <kiko> sounds like we fucked up the update [04:51] <kiko> sorry, robitaille -- will be fixed in about 10h :-( [04:51] <robitaille> no problem. I guess it is a known problem now :) [04:51] <elmo> report a bug! [04:51] <elmo> [SCNR] [04:53] <kiko> elmo, don't you ever sleep? [04:53] <elmo> not tonight it seems [04:59] <jamesh> hi kiko [05:00] <jamesh> 'ERROR: column "bug" does not exist SELECT id FROM BugAttachment WHERE bug = 1625' [05:02] <kiko> jamesh, I know. something went wrong with the update, but I'm not waking anybody up [05:02] <kiko> stub did a last-minute cycle to get carlos' fix for rosetta imports [05:02] <kiko> I suspect that's what cracked it [05:02] <kiko> ah well [05:03] <kiko> jamesh, did you have a good flight back home? [05:03] <kiko> and did everything work out in rio? [05:03] <jamesh> kiko: they didn't know about the reservation, but sold me a ticket anyway [05:04] <kiko> how odd. [05:04] <jamesh> kiko: the flight got delayed by about an hour, which caused a bit of confusion since there was supposed to be another flight to Sao Paulo leaving from the same gate an hour after [05:04] <kiko> well, good that they sold you the ticket, then. [05:04] <jamesh> (that other flight got delayed half an hour) [05:04] <kiko> hah [05:04] <kiko> and you caught your flight on-time just fine? [05:04] <jamesh> yeah [05:05] <jamesh> Varig lost my bag going to Sao Paulo, but managed to find them before I left [05:05] <jamesh> so everything worked out fine [05:05] <kiko> lost your bag?! [05:05] <kiko> man, you seem to have been the luckiest unlucky person in Rio on that day [05:05] <kiko> no reservation [05:06] <kiko> varig has ticket [05:06] <kiko> lose bag [05:06] <kiko> find it before flight leaves [05:06] <kiko> all in all pretty good [05:06] <jamesh> they served chocolate fondue on the flight, which was nice [05:07] <kiko> wow [05:07] <kiko> good for people with tim-tam deprivation symptoms [05:42] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] lint.sh shouldn't complain about unused arguments in interfaces (patch-2214: christian.reis@canonical.com) [08:05] <sivang> jamesh: ping [08:07] <jamesh> sivang: hey [08:07] <sivang> jamesh: hi, what's up? chocolate fondue ;-) Which flight was it? [08:08] <jamesh> sivang: Rio to Sao Paulo (this was in the economy section too) [08:14] <sivang> jamesh: cool , Sao Paulo sounds fun [08:15] <sivang> jamesh: I am thinking of creating a helper function in the library to add the menu items to bonnobo ui apps as well - I realized that the translation overhead would be that big, that it would be worthwhile to create such a function [08:15] <sivang> jamesh: It supports the same funcitonality of merging items, and there's some skeleton code in gedit that pbor so kindly showed me at which I can borrow [08:16] <jamesh> sivang: okay. [08:16] <sivang> jamesh: so, even though bonnobo ui would be dropped at some point int he future, to save the translation overhead and gain centerlized control, this is still beneficial [08:17] <jamesh> sivang: I wonder if it is worth putting that in a separate helper library [08:17] <jamesh> sivang: given shared library dependencies, etc [08:17] <sivang> jamesh: might be so, so it would be trivial to drop that later ? [08:17] <jamesh> since currently the library just links to GTK (+deps) [08:17] <jamesh> bonoboui brings in ORBit, libgnome, libbonobo, gnome-vfs, etc [08:18] <sivang> bah [08:18] <sivang> ok, looks like it would be good to toss in an another lib [08:19] <jamesh> maybe ask seb128 for his opinion (from a packager's point of view) [08:19] <sivang> jamesh: sure, I will [08:20] <sivang> jamesh: I'll also ask pitti , he's also knowledgeable about this [08:21] <jamesh> sivang: how many bonoboui apps are we looking at, btw? [08:21] <sivang> jamesh: applets count as well? [08:22] <sivang> jamesh: (most of the bonnobo clients are actually applets, but there is quite some of them ) [08:22] <jamesh> I suppose so. Hadn't thought of them [08:22] <sivang> jamesh: they have a drop down which I thought of intercepting for the menu items , usually and "About" drop down [08:22] <sivang> jamesh: sorry, not an "About" drop down, but a right clickable one [08:26] <jamesh> sivang: hopefully we'll have some good info up on the +gethelp and +translate pages the LaunchpadIntegration stuff points at soon [08:26] <jamesh> there was some discussion of it at the sprint [08:26] <jamesh> (probably continuing this week, with the rosetta guys arriving) [08:28] <Amaranth> sivang: who is stub? :P [08:29] <sivang> ah he's not here. [08:29] <sivang> Amaranth: maybe describe your problem and let's see if someone helps [08:29] <Amaranth> err, i'd need a server administrator for this one [08:29] <sivang> jamesh: cool, so we can start looking at real pages instead of the placeholders? [08:30] <Amaranth> launchpad-integration sends people to launchpad.ubuntu.com but the cert is for launchpad.net so firefox flips out and puts up a nice scary warning dialog [08:31] <sivang> jamesh: should we change the pointing link to launchpad.net ? (thinking maybe this will solve Amaranth's problem ) [08:32] <jamesh> sivang: yeah it should change [08:32] <jamesh> I don't think launchpad.net was working last week [08:33] <sivang> jamesh: it wasn't, but it started working about 2 days ago [08:33] <sivang> jamesh: I can send you a patch against your arch, would that be ok? [08:33] <jamesh> sure. [08:33] <sivang> Amaranth: thanks for pointing that out, silly me I acutally can fix that :) [08:34] <Amaranth> so, how do i get this into smeg? [08:35] <Burgundavia> that doesn't solve the general issue of old links causing the flipout [08:35] <sivang> Amaranth: I can get it in for you, lemme check [08:35] <Burgundavia> can you do the redirect with http and then change to https when you hit launchpad.net? [08:35] <sivang> Amaranth: is it in universe? [08:36] <sivang> Amaranth: (smeg) [08:36] <jamesh> wow. we've even got a real certificate for launchpad.net [08:36] <Amaranth> sivang: yeah, but not for long i don't think [08:36] <sivang> Amaranth: let me know when it's in main , and I will take care for it :) [08:36] <Amaranth> jamesh: yeah, from that crappy thawte company :P [08:36] <sivang> lol [08:36] <sivang> Amaranth: don't let Mark hear you :) [08:37] <Amaranth> as long as he doesn't read the logs i'm ok :) [08:37] <sivang> Burgundavia: doesn't ffox do that ? [08:37] <Burgundavia> sivang, no [08:37] <Burgundavia> hmm [08:37] <Burgundavia> my link is a https one [08:37] <Amaranth> links pointing to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com will still be a problem [08:37] <Burgundavia> yes [08:37] <Amaranth> because you need to have a cert for that [08:37] <sivang> Amaranth: we change the links centerally [08:38] <Amaranth> sivang: what? [08:38] <sivang> Amaranth: so all launchpadized apps get the change in url when we do it [08:38] <Amaranth> sivang: that's nice, what about the rest of the world's links? [08:38] <sivang> Amaranth: universe stuff will have a picker application that you point on an app [08:39] <Amaranth> err, what? [08:39] <jamesh> Amaranth: the launchpad-integration stuff launches the web browser using a helper app [08:39] <sivang> Amaranth: meun integration is just for desktop seed [08:39] <Amaranth> i'm talking about outside of ubuntu [08:39] <jamesh> Amaranth: so fixing the helper app fixes the URLs [08:39] <jamesh> Amaranth: the helper app is responsible for identifying the (distro, release, source package) triple used in the URL too [08:39] <Amaranth> websites that link to launchpad.ubuntu.com [08:40] <Amaranth> the helper app doesn't rewrite the world wide web [08:40] <jamesh> launchpad.ubuntu.com had a self signed cert beforehand anyway, so popped up a warning dialog ... [08:40] <Amaranth> btw, launchpad looks a lot less like plone now, good job [08:40] <Amaranth> jamesh: that needed to be fixed too [08:45] <jamesh> Amaranth: the various launchpad 1.0 announcements will go out with the right URL [08:46] <Amaranth> that changes future references, not a link from a thread on a forum 2 months ago that someone finds in a search [08:46] <sivang> jamesh: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/lpint/new_domain.patch [08:48] <Amaranth> it gives people a bad first impression [08:48] <jamesh> committed [08:48] <sivang> jamesh: thanks :) [08:51] <sivang> jamesh: wiki ? [08:51] <jamesh> sivang: wiki.launchpad.canonical.com is read only right now, because they took a copy to Brazil to edit [08:52] <jamesh> since the internet connection dropped a few times [08:52] <jamesh> and the wiki was necessary to do the spec writing [08:53] <sivang> jamesh: ah nice, so now you can't see all the specs until the wiki actually retunrs from brazil :) [08:54] <Amaranth> holy shit [08:54] <Amaranth> is soyuz even doable? :P [08:54] <jamesh> doable? [08:54] <sivang> Amaranth: I think it's already operating in some way [08:56] <Amaranth> err, that's a spaceship [08:56] <Amaranth> oh, i see [09:01] <sivang> jamesh: I'm assuming bonnobo ui supports placeholder just as UIManager does , right? [09:03] <jamesh> sivang: yeah. [09:03] <jamesh> sivang: although it doesn't have as nice an API for programatically adding UI [09:03] <jamesh> you end up needing to construct XML fragments to send to the bonoboui code [09:05] <sivang> jamesh: yes, I am looking at such code at the moment :) I guess that's basically the way to do dynamic construction in bonnobo. I also see there bonobo_ui_component_set_translate, should I be worried about that or will you take care of the localization ? [09:06] <sivang> jamesh: (does bonnobo presents different API for translation and does not use getttext ??) [09:06] <jamesh> sivang: I never really learnt much about the bonobo-ui internals [09:06] <sivang> jamesh: k, I will hit docs while I work :) [10:51] <nakeee> sivang: any news? [10:55] <sivang> nakeee: working on it, will update you when I have settled it down. (it's already open) [10:55] <sivang> nakeee: (created, even) [11:02] <nakeee> sivang: just be careful when you approve translations so you won't break the guides of the projects you submit them to [11:02] <nakeee> sivang: btw I think we should use some test/mentoring trick on new translators and not just giev access [11:07] <sivang> nakeee: we can continue this in ubuntu-il , btw [11:07] <Luciph3r> salve a tutti [11:14] <nakeee> sivang: yea, but I need to go:) ttyl:) [12:40] <mvo> could someone of the more experienced python guys have a look at the new pyhton-apt apt interface please? baz get http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/arch/ubuntu/python-apt--mvo--0 [12:47] <jamesh> mvo: any particular parts to look at? [12:53] <mvo> jamesh: the apt/ dir please [12:54] <mvo> jamesh: it's a wrapper around the old "apt_{pkg,inst}" modules [12:54] <mvo> jamesh: the interface is what I'm most concerned about (if they are clean/pythonic enough) [01:08] <jamesh> mvo: is there any reason why the Package class has name, id, etc as methods rather than attributes? [01:10] <jamesh> mvo: for the idempotent no argument methods, I'd make them properties [01:12] <mvo> jamesh: I made it methods because of my old C++ habits. I'll change them to properties (I guess I can't make description() a property because of the "Formated" argument?) [01:13] <jamesh> mvo: either that or provide two properties ... [01:14] <carlos> morning [01:15] <mvo> jamesh: thanks! let me know if you find more :) [01:21] <cprov> jamesh: morning, did you review the last gpg patches ? [01:31] <jamesh> cprov: not yet. I'm still catching up on things after the flight [01:33] <cprov> jamesh: I understand, but dedicate some love to it asap, it's blocking a lot of people to add their keys. [01:34] <jamesh> yeah. I'll look at it tonight [01:36] <cprov> jamesh: thanks [02:05] <kiko-zzz> ahoy hacker babes [02:21] <mvo> jamesh: do you have more comments on the pyhton-apt interface? if not, I'm going to change it now :) [02:21] <jamesh> mvo: nothing right now [02:22] <jamesh> haven't really looked at it in depth though [02:22] <mvo> jamesh: ok, thanks so far! [02:25] <kiko-zzz> amoogly [02:31] <philiKON> how long does PO export via email usually take? [02:32] <kiko> philiKON, the interval between runs is in the half-hour range IIRC [02:32] <kiko> you and I will get an email notification when it's done [02:32] <kiko> this is of zope3 I imagine? [02:32] <philiKON> indeed [02:33] <philiKON> kiko, launchpad sez: you will receive an email "shortly" [02:33] <philiKON> maybe that could be clarified [02:34] <kiko> I am not sure we have enough information currently to give QoS on the response [02:34] <kiko> carlos is telling me the script interval is 10 minutes [02:34] <kiko> I don't know how many are queued currently though [02:35] <philiKON> hang on, just received the email [02:35] <philiKON> i tested it since i heard some "complaints" from volunteers [02:35] <philiKON> there was also the problem of https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1558/ [02:38] <kiko> is that happening for you? [02:38] <philiKON> it happened for one of our newly signed up volunteers [02:39] <philiKON> and the trick at the bottom supposedly solved it for him [02:49] <niemeyer> Morning! [02:51] <kiko> morning niemeyer [02:52] <SteveA> hi [02:53] <kiko> niemeyer, I need to call my agent back today [02:55] <niemeyer> kiko: Has he mentioned anything interesting yesterday? [02:58] <kiko> he said that interviews were indeed being done [02:58] <kiko> but that a month sounded crazy [03:01] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] More lint updats: turn off more warnings in non-verbose mode (patch-2215: christian.reis@canonical.com) [03:03] <niemeyer> kiko: Indeed [03:03] <niemeyer> kiko: I hope he's right :) [03:11] <lifeless> ddaa - we are definately in db connections [03:12] <lifeless> and yes, reconnections R us [03:36] <lifeless> elmo - ping [03:37] <lifeless> the importd machines need to be able to talk to https://docteam.ubuntu.com please [03:42] <kiko> niemeyer, interesting -- he says we can't do anything from brasilia. snif [03:44] <niemeyer> kiko: No problems.. [03:44] <niemeyer> kiko: Thanks for trying [03:44] <niemeyer> kiko: I'll just go through the normal procedure.. [03:46] <elmo> crap, all of them? [03:47] <elmo> lifeless: ^-- [03:49] <lifeless> elmo: please, I don't know which one the job will land on :) [03:50] <elmo> hum, I need a better way to handling this routing crap [03:51] <elmo> doing nayway [03:51] <niemeyer> mvo: Greetings! [03:52] <niemeyer> lifeless: Have we met at Laura's place during EuroPython, or perhaps was someone else? [03:52] <mvo> hey niemeyer [03:52] <lifeless> someone else I think [03:52] <lifeless> I'm Robert Collins fwiw [03:53] <niemeyer> Yes, I thought that was the name of the guy, but I'm pretty bad at names, so that's expected. :)) [03:53] <niemeyer> lifeless: Nice to meet you, anyway.. ;) [03:54] <kiko> niemeyer, you /did/ meet him last week but whatever ;-) [03:54] <niemeyer> kiko: Ah, so I'm even worse than I thought. [03:57] <niemeyer> I think the guy is "Rob Collins" as well.. [03:57] <SteveA> there was another "rob collins" at europython [03:58] <niemeyer> SteveA: Ah, good.. so I'm not that crazy :) [04:01] <kiko> niemeyer, I'd suggest going to get your visa asap from what my agent is telling me :-( [04:01] <elmo> lifeless: done [04:02] <lifeless> elmo: thanks, now it barfs on the server cert [04:02] <lifeless> ddaa - what did you come up with that [04:02] <niemeyer> kiko: What is he telling you? [04:02] <niemeyer> *fear* [04:03] <elmo> lifeless: err, seriously? it's valid, just self-signed [04:03] <lifeless> elmo: bah, can we *please* have en_AU.UTF-8 on the machines, its such a nuisance having to keep setting LANG on machine* [04:03] <kiko> that they are only booking visa interviews for late-september :-( [04:03] <elmo> lifeless: dude, you can fix your .ssh/config not send LANG :P [04:03] <lifeless> elmo: yes, svn complains and we need to accept it outside the cscvs code [04:04] <elmo> I can't imagine it'll be the only self-signed svn repo tho? [04:04] <lifeless> its not, we've hit this before [04:04] <lifeless> ssh in, svn ls it, accept permanently. [04:06] <kiko> niemeyer, sorry for not having better news [04:07] <niemeyer> kiko: No problems.. and thanks for checking it. It's just unfortunate that I won't be able to attend what was planned, but we may certainly rearrange it for later on. [04:08] <kiko> yeah. [04:08] <kiko> I'm talking to mdz, so get the visa interview booked and meanwhile we'll work on dates [04:08] <niemeyer> kiko: Will do that [04:12] <salgado> mpt, ping [04:12] <sivang> guys, you've proably thought about it [04:13] <sivang> launchpad so totally could be used to manage documentation :) [04:13] <sivang> are there any takes in that direction? [04:14] <sivang> niemeyer: lifeless has a french dictionary dedicated to him :) [04:14] <morgs> heh, I read that as "launchpad so totally could use some manageable documentation"... [04:14] <lifeless> dd ping [04:18] <sivang> morgs: that as well :) [04:20] <lifeless> elmo - thanks [04:24] <carlos> jordi, did you see your email already? [04:24] <carlos> jordi, I think you will need to update your filters :-) [04:32] <morgs> SteveA, thanks for your mail, but it's not the filename that's the problem, it's unicode text in the actual RDF content. I've mailed you a better traceback... [04:35] <sivang> carlos: now that I am the admin, can I make others admin, or demote them? [04:36] <sivang> carlos: (for the hebrew translation team) [04:36] <sabdfl> jamesh: ping! [04:36] <sivang> hey sabdfl , what's up? [04:36] <sabdfl> sivang: i'm lovin brazil [04:37] <kiko> heh [04:37] <sabdfl> the sunshine and the work... very few distractions in sao carlos ;-) [04:37] <sivang> sabdfl: yeah, you told me. to be frank, if to judge by what my brazillian freinds tell me (one of them in Sao Paolo) I'd love it too :) [04:37] <sabdfl> sivang: do you like the way LP is coming along? [04:37] <sivang> sabdfl: very very much [04:38] <carlos> sivang, yes, that's why I set you as an admin [04:38] <sivang> sabdfl: it's has become blazingly fast, and very sexy UI wise [04:38] <sabdfl> we're very close to a rosetta 1.0 now [04:38] <carlos> sabdfl, near 10000 pofiles to go [04:38] <carlos> ;-) [04:39] <sivang> sabdfl: however, I feel like I can't grasp all of it's capabilites. I think some documentation would be in place :) [04:39] <sivang> sabdfl: when you see how many subsections and optins is presents, you might get the feeling "Hmmm, I wonder what I'm missing here and there" [04:40] <jamesh> sabdfl: pong [04:40] <sabdfl> jamesh: can you see http://lpwiki.async.com.br/TranslationCoverageMap from there? [04:40] <jamesh> sabdfl: nope. that URL doesn't work outside of Async [04:41] <sabdfl> ok [04:41] <sabdfl> i'll mail it to you [04:42] <sabdfl> it's just for fun [04:42] <sivang> sabdfl: sorry if this sounds a bit ungreatful ;-) , but it would be pitty to have people use only half of it's capabilities out of plain unawareness [04:42] <sabdfl> the short-short version is that someone who knows LP and SVG could do cool world maps showing translation coverage of anything that supports rosettastats... [04:42] <sabdfl> sivang: that's what TotalExposure is about (spec in LP wiki) [04:43] <sabdfl> to make sure that you can see and manipulate everything that is actually in LP [04:43] <sabdfl> we aren't quite there yet [04:43] <sabdfl> but it's improved a lot in the last month [04:43] <sabdfl> there are links to most of the things you can currently do [04:43] <mdke> spiv, around? [04:44] <jamesh> sabdfl: probably wouldn't be too difficult -- it could be done with an essentially static SVG, and substituting in a few values [04:44] <spiv> mdke: Yeah. [04:45] <sabdfl> jamesh: that's the sort of thing that you might know that I certainly wouldn't ;-) [04:45] <mdke> spiv, i wanted to ask a few questions about how launchpad autentication works... have you got time? [04:45] <jamesh> sabdfl: it might even be possible to do it with TAL :) [04:45] <spiv> Sure. [04:45] <sabdfl> jamesh: i'll put it in your queue, feel free to ignore it unless you have a moment of inspiration [04:45] <sabdfl> TAL ??? [04:45] <jamesh> SVG is XML [04:46] <sabdfl> holy shit, you could, couldn't you [04:46] <spiv> jamesh: You're a bad man :) [04:46] <mdke> spiv, would you join #miz? [04:46] <sabdfl> IRosettaStats/@@+worldmap [04:46] <jamesh> we generate the registry RDF using TAL [04:46] <morgs> we do indeed :) [04:47] <SteveA> morgs: okay, look forward to receiving the email [04:48] <sivang> RDF is resource description framework by w3c? [04:48] <jamesh> yes [04:48] <sivang> jamesh: thx [04:49] <jamesh> sivang: e.g. https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+rdf [04:50] <sivang> jamesh: 500 Internal Server Error [04:50] <jamesh> looks broken :( [04:50] <morgs> sivang, yes, working on that one. [04:50] <morgs> Unicode problems. [04:51] <sivang> jamesh: products is for packages right? or for upstream projects? [04:51] <morgs> Try https://launchpad.net/products/apt/+rdf [04:51] <sivang> morgs: got an XML file [04:51] <morgs> sivang, we have all three... [04:51] <morgs> sivang, it's based on DOAP (description of a project). [04:52] <sivang> morgs: nice, so that's an export of a piece of info launchpad has [04:52] <sivang> morgs: yes, I've used it already :) [04:52] <jamesh> morgs: is there a plan to provide real DOAP files too? [04:52] <jamesh> (I realise that they wouldn't contain all the info found in the existing RDF) [04:53] <morgs> jamesh, we could certainly do that. However we would want to encourage our format... [04:54] <salgado> jamesh, I wonder if you'll have some time to review my foaf-menus branch today. it should be pretty easy to review, and that changes are kind of blocking me. [04:54] <morgs> perhaps we would allow easy importing of Launchpad RDF so people could suck entire projects into Launchpad, but provide some sort of DOAP-to-LP RDF translation thing... [04:55] <jamesh> salgado: probably not today (it's almost 11pm). I'll get onto it tomorrow morning though. [04:56] <salgado> jamesh, cool. thanks [04:56] <jamesh> I don't want to stay on Brazil time ... [05:01] <SteveA> morgs: ping [05:02] <morgs> SteveA, hi [05:02] <SteveA> morgs: try adding request.response.setCharset('utf-8') [05:02] <morgs> SteveA, ok, I'll try that now [05:05] <morgs> SteveA, nope, still get the error [05:05] <SteveA> ok [05:06] <SteveA> morgs: i will debug further [05:07] <morgs> SteveA, thanks. [05:19] <salgado> mpt, ping, ping! [05:19] <morgs> SteveA, if I *remove* the request.response.setHeader('content-type', 'application/rdf+xml') then the RDF dump works. So it seems that mime type forces ascii... [05:20] <SteveA> interesting [05:20] <mpt> salgado: ponggggggggggggggg [05:21] <lifeless> morgs: ewww, that sucks. [05:21] <SteveA> morgs: did you put the 'setCharset' before or after setting the header? [05:21] <jamesh> morgs: try "application/rdf+xml;charset=UTF-8" ? [05:22] <mpt> yes [05:22] <morgs> application/rdf+xml, the mime type for... people with ascii names! [05:22] <morgs> SteveA, yes. [05:22] <SteveA> morgs: did you put the 'setCharset' before or after setting the header? [05:22] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] More lintage silencing (patch-2216: christian.reis@canonical.com) [05:22] <SteveA> jamesh: that was going to be my next suggestion to morgs [05:22] <morgs> SteveA, sorry, first after, then tried before. [05:23] <SteveA> and it failed in both places? [05:23] <morgs> SteveA, yes. [05:23] <SteveA> okay [05:23] <SteveA> try what jamesh just said [05:23] <SteveA> if that doesn't work, we have a deeper problem [05:23] <morgs> jamesh, SteveA: that failed too. [05:24] <SteveA> okay [05:24] <salgado> mpt, heh. I just wrote the page to add/edit wikinames, and I'm going to use something similar for IRC details, so it'd be good if you have 2 minutes just to tell me what needs to be fixed, before I write the IRC details page [05:24] <SteveA> deeper problem [05:24] <SteveA> i'm in the tracebacks [05:24] <salgado> mpt, this is the URL: http://192.168.99.7:8086/people/name16/+editwikinames [05:25] <mpt> salgado: "Wiki base URL:" [05:26] <mpt> salgado: Try a table with one row for each wiki name [05:26] <mpt> and one row for adding a new one [05:27] <salgado> mpt, you mean, the URL and the name in the same row? [05:27] <mpt> yes [05:27] <mpt> Wiki base URL: Name: [05:27] <mpt> [ ] [ ] [/] Remove [05:27] <mpt> ok? [05:28] <salgado> oh, with the text entries in a separate row. I'll try [05:28] <mpt> cool [05:30] <salgado> mpt, still here or already left? [06:04] <lifeless> ddaa - svn memory errors - spiv has put a dump of the twisted svn repo on chinstrap so that we can reproduce the failure more quickly and easily. this is affecting ope3 + twisted, probably a comes straight after samba import support. [06:04] <lifeless> I'm working on the samba failure, I think I know the cause. [06:06] <ddaa> Cool. [06:07] <ddaa> Here, the next thing on the pipe should be updating importd for archivelocation [06:08] <ddaa> lifeless: I'm pondering blogging about tomlord's troll, that would be fun, but that might not be wise... not sure.. [06:09] <lifeless> mark has changed the baz bzr migrastion strategy. [06:10] <lifeless> current plan is to: [06:10] <lifeless> * get samba using bzr asap. [06:10] <lifeless> * get rocketfuel development on bzr asap [06:10] <lifeless> then start chewing through the features needed for a 'general' release - a 2.0 release of bazaar [06:15] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=jamesh] fixing bugs #1496 and #1613, better encoding handling and subkey signatures support. (patch-2217: celso.providelo@canonical.com) [06:32] <lifeless> ddaa - todo for you as soon as we have locations stuff working. [06:32] <lifeless> * [06:32] <lifeless> Revision.owner ArchUserId.person. Unfortunately, none of the existing rows in the database actually has a corresponding entry in ArchUserId. This is a problem because we want to set Revision.owner to NOT NULL. We need to fix taxi to set this, then run a taxi run to correct it. This is a TODO for DavidAllouche [06:33] <lifeless> thats high priority too - it blocks the BranchDataStorage spec. [06:33] <lifeless> we'll need to scan every outstanding revision we publish [06:33] <lifeless> ... or set them all to importd as we know thats what they are at the moment ;) [06:37] <ddaa> lifeless: please drop me an email [06:37] <lifeless> ddaa - its on the wiki page, which will be synced up to the dc after the sprint. (we have a local editable copy cause the intrawbe wasn't) [06:38] <ddaa> then, please drop me an email with a pointer to the wiki page :) [06:38] <lifeless> irssi doesn't seem to support that ;) [06:47] <ddaa> I guess that would be a dubious enough reason for the company to fork irssi :) [06:54] <cprov> lifeless: could you cherrypicky patch-2217 in production ? [07:00] <lifeless> stub: ^^ [07:01] <mpt> salgado: I'm back [07:01] <mpt> salgado: I had an interesting lunch, you should have been there [07:01] <salgado> mpt, next time I will. :) [07:01] <kiko> he was there [07:01] <salgado> mpt, can you take a look at it again? [07:02] <kiko> hey, let's go to the gym [07:03] <mpt> salgado: [07:04] <mpt> 1. replace all the "Change" buttons with a single "Save Changes" button right at the bottom of the form [07:04] <mpt> 2. Replace the "Remove" buttons with a checkbox, so I can remove more than one in a single submission [07:04] <mpt> (that's not very likely here, but it will be consistent with removing multiple support sources in LaunchpadIntegrationHelpPages, and other places) [07:05] <mpt> 3. Put the fields for a new wiki name on a single line, like the fields for an existing one [07:06] <mpt> 4. "i.e." means "that is". You meant "e.g.", which means "for example". [07:06] <mpt> But just say "Example:" instead. [07:06] <mpt> 5. It's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ not http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ [07:06] <mpt> 6. Put the help text under the control, not above it [07:07] <mpt> ... Other than that, it's excellent ;-) [07:08] <salgado> mpt, so, one "Save Changes" button and another "Add" one? [07:09] <mpt> salgado: No, sorry, I should have mentioned that "Save Changes" replaces "Add" as well [07:10] <stub> cprov: Please email cherry pick requests so they don't get lost [07:10] <cprov> stub: already done ;), you're right [07:19] <salgado> mpt, ok. one last question. how do I put some space between the table rows? [07:21] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=SteveA] fix search breakage (patch-2218: brad.bollenbach@canonical.com) [07:21] <salgado> mpt, also, should I have the headers (Wiki, WikiName and Remove) on each row or should they be the table headers? [07:22] <mpt> salgado: There is no good way currently, though a hack would be to add style="margin-bottom: 0.5em;" to one of the controls in each row [07:22] <mpt> the headers should be table headers, yes [07:23] <bradb> stub, lifeless: cherry pickers, can you please cherry pick patch-2218? [07:24] <salgado> mpt, great. would you mind having a last look? [07:26] <stub> bradb: Email [07:26] <bradb> stub: ok, thanks [07:26] <SteveA> screw staging, let's just cherry pick from now on [07:26] <mpt> salgado: Much improved, thanks, but still some way to go [07:27] <mpt> salgado: 4. But just say "Example:" instead of "e.g." [07:27] <mpt> 7. "Remove" should be the label for each checkbox, not a header [07:28] <salgado> then no header for the third column? [07:28] <mpt> correct [07:29] <mpt> 8. The fields for a new wiki name should line up with the fields for existing wiki names. This means the "Existing wiki names" and "New wiki name" headings need to be inside <tr><td colspan="2"> [07:29] <salgado> why not use a "Remove" button instead of a checkbox, then? I don't think we'll have people wanting to remove multiple wikinames at the same time as a common use case [07:29] <SteveA> salgado, mpt: you're like 7 feet from each other [07:31] <mpt> salgado: (14:04:55) <mpt> (that's not very likely here, but it will be consistent with removing multiple support sources in LaunchpadIntegrationHelpPages, and other places) [07:31] <mpt> but make it a submit button if you feel strongly about it [07:31] <mpt> I don't (feel strongly about it) [07:33] <kiko> I don't either [07:33] <mpt> thanks for that kiko [07:55] <sivang> mpt: would be cool to se launchpad integration pages when they are ready [07:56] <mpt> I'm supposed to write them? [07:58] <sivang> I can help out if you'd like :)... (Who needs sleep) [07:59] <sivang> mpt: btw, where can I see LaunchpadIntegrationHelpPages spec? [07:59] <mpt> Well, we need some sort of text answering the question "What the smeg does 'Translate This Application' mean?" [08:00] <kiko> what's smeg? [08:00] <mpt> sivang: Due to Brazil's Internet being teh suck, the LaunchpadIntegrationHelpPages spec is currently on a copy of the wiki that's not accessible outside Sao Carlos [08:00] <mpt> That should be fixed next week [08:02] <sivang> mpt: ah right, jamesh mentioned that, I didn't know this spec is also part of it [08:02] <sivang> mpt: he said the he "awaits the return of the wiki from brazil" :) [08:03] <mpt> kiko: It's an empty epithet, like "what the heck" or "what the hell" [08:05] <SteveA> "Anticipation of a new Wiki's arrival" [08:06] <jordi> carlos: OMFG DUDE [08:06] <jordi> 3500 emails in my inbox [08:06] <jordi> ok, gimme your procmail line [08:06] <sivang> jordi: you need the fire department [08:06] <carlos> jordi, welcome to the Rosetta team! [08:06] <jordi> carlos: thanks for this AWESOME welcome party! [08:06] <kiko> welcome to launchpad-errors [08:07] <carlos> jordi, just filter on the 'From:' looking for 'Rosetta SWAT Team' [08:07] <jordi> nod [08:07] <carlos> jordi, you will get 12000 more between today and tomorrow [08:08] <carlos> so be prepared [08:08] <jordi> carlos: grrrrreat! :) [08:08] <sivang> carlos: are they machine generated? [08:08] <jordi> I badly need my canonnical account [08:08] <jordi> so [08:08] <jordi> I mailed my contract. [08:09] <jordi> And today, I was waling down the street, and realised I never said what country in the envoelope. [08:09] <jordi> Ie, I sent a letter to "Isle of Man, Planet Earth" [08:10] <carlos> sivang, yes [08:10] <carlos> jordi, Isle of Man is a country on itself [08:10] <carlos> jordi, like Andorra [08:10] <jordi> So I had to print it again and resend it this evening [08:10] <jordi> carlos: really? [08:10] <jordi> carlos: rlol [08:10] <carlos> sivang, is the confirmation email we sent every time a .po file is imported into Rosetta [08:10] <jordi> ok, then ithe first one will get there, the second will get lost. W:P [08:10] <carlos> sivang, but for every single .po file we have in breezy [08:10] <jordi> I thought it was somewhere in England for some reason. [08:11] <carlos> jordi, :-P [08:11] <sivang> jordi: the streets names are also funny :) [08:13] <sivang> carlos: so why don't you hold some of those emails, after all this is probably the result of the auto merge of the po files no? [08:13] <sivang> carlos: maybe you can email only if some error occurs [08:13] <sivang> etc.. [08:16] <carlos> sivang, yeah, but when I wrote that code I forgot to disable the success notification to the admins [08:16] <carlos> sivang, and it's not trivial move a patch into production, we have a procedure that must be followed [08:16] <carlos> sivang, so it's easier to just receive them and fix later so we don't get the spam again with next release import [08:18] <sivang> carlos: I see :) got your point [08:18] <sivang> carlos: well, jordi can just procmail them or something [08:18] <jordi> carlos: [08:19] <jordi> :0: [08:19] <jordi> * ^From: Rosetta SWAT Team.* [08:19] <jordi> canonical/rosetta-swat [08:19] <jordi> does this souind good? [08:19] <sivang> looks good to me :) [08:19] <sivang> just make sure you empty the folder on your mail server :) [08:19] <jordi> good :) [08:20] <carlos> jordi, I know 0 bits about procmail ;-) [08:20] <jordi> it works [08:20] <jordi> -rw------- 1 jordi jordi 8902 2005-08-03 20:20 rosetta-swat [08:20] <jordi> carlos: evolution sissy [08:21] <sivang> jordi: you don't need to know too much to make some rules, if you follow made ones [08:22] <jordi> now, how to move those to the new folder [08:22] <jordi> sivang: I know a bit of procmail [08:22] <jordi> I was just checking [08:22] <jordi> I've fucked up annd lost mail in the past [08:22] <sivang> hehe [08:24] <carlos> jordi, or missed other emails..... [08:24] <carlos> :-) [08:25] <mpt> salgado: beautiful [08:25] <jordi> ca dude [08:25] <jordi> don't talk about that again huh [08:25] <salgado> mpt, what? the last version? [08:27] <mpt> salgado: I just reloaded [08:31] <salgado> mpt, cool. thanks for the help, btw. ;) [08:40] <carlos> jordi, btw, seems like zope was imported already [08:40] <carlos> jordi, and SteveA tells me that they are going to use Rosetta officially to do translations [08:40] <carlos> jordi, did you mail them already? [08:40] <SteveA> jordi: philiKON is the zope3 guy [08:41] <tav> SteveA: nice work baby [08:41] <SteveA> hi tav [08:41] <SteveA> didn't see you in the house [08:41] <tav> just came in [08:41] <jordi> carlos: no, not yet [08:41] <tav> so, this be the project you've been working on? [08:41] <SteveA> ... to see what condition my condition was in [08:41] <jordi> philiKON: hello! [08:42] <SteveA> tav: yes, me and a group of 15 or so others [08:42] <jordi> carlos: I was waiting for the import, as we saw it's apparently common to include en.po with zope [08:42] <tav> coolios [08:42] <jordi> I could alssk that when the import qwas done anyway [08:43] <SteveA> in berlin still ? [08:43] <carlos> jordi, do you know that your are sending weird characters from time to time? [08:44] <jordi> no, I didn't know [08:44] <jordi> badly encoded utf-8? [08:44] <jordi> has it happened lately? [08:44] <carlos> jordi, seems like that [08:44] <lifeless> I think its a terminal config [08:44] <SteveA> lifeless says that your terminal needs to be configured better [08:44] <lifeless> not utf8 per se [08:45] <jordi> my terminal... [08:45] <jordi> hm [08:45] <carlos> jordi, or your shell should be changed to bash :-) [08:45] <mpt> jordi: "I could als[007F] [007F] sk that when the import qwas done anyway" [08:46] <tav> SteveA: yup. well, been flitting between london/berlin. and now at the espian summer camp, just north of berlin [08:46] <jordi> oh, you mean on IRC? [08:46] <jordi> damn [08:46] <jordi> I thought you meant e-mail [08:47] <tav> SteveA: you around this part of the world at all? [08:48] <jordi> mpt: could be irssi or ncurses bug though [08:49] <SteveA> tav: today, i'm in brazil [08:49] <tav> i noticed [08:52] <kiko> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugtrackers/ubuntu-bugzilla/+edit [09:07] <srichter> stub: how can I add someone to our translator group? [09:07] <srichter> I thought philiKON set me up for this [09:09] <carlos> srichter, by default anyone is able to translate in any product [09:09] <carlos> srichter, if you want to restrict who can translate to get some extra QA [09:09] <srichter> mmh, I remember that philiKON has to add people to our group in order for them to translate soemthing [09:09] <carlos> hmmm [09:09] <carlos> not as far as I know [09:09] <carlos> srichter, we only have Ubuntu translation team and the GNOME one [09:10] <carlos> srichter, you can choose one of them (usually, Ubuntu team is a good idea) [09:10] <carlos> so they need to join normal teams [09:10] <srichter> the owner of the zope template for Zope 3.1 is "Zope 3 developers" [09:10] <carlos> and be accepted by the coordinator [09:10] <carlos> srichter, that's to upload new .pot files [09:10] <carlos> srichter, is not related with the translations into other languages [09:11] <srichter> ok, I just need to be able to sign up new people :-) [09:11] <carlos> srichter, so you need admin rights on the zope3-dev team [09:11] <carlos> srichter, ask philiKON to give you them [09:11] <srichter> he is not around :-) [09:12] <srichter> can you set me up so I can help people? [09:13] <SteveA> sorry dude, no can do [09:13] <SteveA> it'd be the start of a slippery slope ;-) [09:14] <srichter> ok [09:15] <carlos> srichter, I doubt he will be offline too much time :-) [09:37] <kiko> hey sr [09:46] <cprov> mpt: any news about AutoBuildUserInterface spec ? [09:57] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Fix my email addresses (patch-2219: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) [10:00] <mpt> cprov: It's still in my pile, sorry [10:00] <mpt> but my pile is shrinking, really it is [10:05] <jordi> carlos: ok, got the log. will add ASAP [10:05] <jordi> (not now, I'm in the middle of cooking= [10:06] <carlos> jordi, sure [10:06] <jordi> carlos: [10:07] <jordi> so what if a product doesn't want to use GNOME or Ubuntu teams, but their own, restricted team? [10:07] <jordi> Is that going to be common? [10:09] <carlos> jordi, mark said that he wants to encorage the use of Ubuntu teams [10:09] <carlos> jordi, so if they have an unavoidable issue and need their own team, tell me about it and we will see what would we do. [10:13] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/cscvs--devel--1.0: r=jamesh finally land outstanding cscvs improvements (patch-102: robert.collins@canonical.com, david.allouche@canonical.com, colin.watson@canonical.com) [10:41] <Luciph3r> hola people [10:44] <SteveA> sveikas [10:53] <jordi> carlos: ok. [10:54] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=bradb, trivial] fixes to product series presentation to make ddaa happy, and style for <kbd> to make stub happy (patch-2220: mpt@canonical.com) [10:55] <ddaa> thanks mpt [10:55] <mpt> yw [11:02] <mpt> ddaa: In return, can you fix the bug that's stopping the ubuntu-doc SVN import? :-) [11:03] <ddaa> I'll have a look. But lifeless is the only man on earth to know cscvs' SVN import code. [11:03] <mpt> That's odd, he said it was your job ... [11:03] <ddaa> Unless it's really trivial, I cannot do anything. [11:04] <ddaa> My job with SVN imports is to fix trivial stuff, and punt the rest to him. [11:04] <ddaa> Until I have time to catch up on this part of the code. [11:04] <ddaa> Nah... not trivial... [11:05] <ddaa> lifeless: ^^ [11:05] <ddaa> https://macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com/roomba/status/ubuntu-doc-main/events/41/log [11:05] <lifeless> ddaa: I think with me beingout of action for another 2.5 eeks that you can tackle bigger things [11:05] <lifeless> the svn code is really straight forward. [11:06] <lifeless> its just hat svn is a biatch :) [11:07] <ddaa> lifeless: I might, if you and mark stop dropping "high priority urgent business plan blockers, please have it coded for yesterday" tasks on me. [11:07] <ddaa> I guess I should take that as something positive :) [11:08] <lifeless> the bug mpt has is a blocker for samba ;) [11:08] <mpt> You're vital to the world domination plan, ddaa [11:08] <lifeless> and yes, you should [11:08] <mpt> More importantly than samba, it's a blocker for ubuntu-doc!!! [11:08] <mpt> ok, I kid [11:09] <ddaa> mpt: there's a couple of BLOCKER tasks in my pipe, I'll look at the issue when I'm done with those. Sorry to say that, but do not expect anything before next week. [11:09] <mpt> ok, ta [11:55] <mpt> SteveA: Where's the prototype code? [11:59] <kiko> mpt, can you talk to sladen> [11:59] <kiko> ? [11:59] <kiko> sladen? [11:59] <kiko> he's the initial culprit [11:59] <sladen> kiko: yup [11:59] <mpt> sladen: Do you have your code handy for the Google-Suggest-style control? [11:59] <sladen> mpt, kiko: I'll find it for you [12:00] <mpt> ta [12:00] <sladen> mpt: half of it might be on a wiki page I can't get to any more [12:01] <mpt> sladen: You mean <https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SuggestionSearchControl> ? [12:02] <mpt> that's publicf [12:02] <mpt> -f [12:06] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/zope--test--3.0: merge from stub some undescribed thing with no commit message (patch-17: stuart.bishop@canonical.com)

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.817328

2005-08-08-#kubuntu

[12:16] <Aapzak> I dislike the java crap which is not rendered by konqueror. I can't empty my hattrick team ;0 [12:16] <Aapzak> :) [12:16] <Aapzak> damn laptop keyboard [12:17] <Aapzak> now I have to boot up that meganice and megabig firefix [12:17] <Aapzak> damn laptop keyboard [12:17] <Aapzak> firefox [12:18] <Aapzak> you too? [12:18] <lscd> hmm? [12:18] <lscd> it just made another coaster (burning a kubuntu cd) [12:18] <Aapzak> I have to burn everything on 4x or else ... [12:19] <lscd> hehe [12:19] <Aapzak> its more that my xbox totally screws up [12:19] <lscd> mine refuses to acknowledge that the cheaper blank dvds from around here are actually dvds [12:19] <Aapzak> pfff, that sucks, what does you burner think it is then? [12:19] <lscd> and it's been coastering about every odd thing lately, and one of my dvds had some interesting data corruption issues [12:20] <lscd> it just tells me that the opc fails [12:20] <Aapzak> I baked a CRC fest the other day, very weird [12:21] <Aapzak> I burned a full speed copy of an fat32 dir. The guy using windows who the disk was for could not read it at all, crc errors all over the disk [12:21] <lscd> ick [12:21] <lscd> i like my old cdburner better, but it's in my sister's room [12:21] <Aapzak> and? [12:22] <lscd> hm? it's half past midnight [12:22] <Aapzak> thats on the other side of the castle? ah, right [12:22] <lscd> everyone would get pissed at me if i went over, booted her computer, and used it [12:22] <Aapzak> lol [12:22] <Aapzak> CET for you then .. [12:22] <lscd> ayeup, switzerland [12:23] <Aapzak> lovely [12:23] <lscd> could be worse [12:23] <lscd> and you? [12:23] <Aapzak> yeah, specially during winter :) [12:23] <Aapzak> Holland [12:23] <Aapzak> I love to board, so the snow would be more than welcome [12:24] <lscd> snowboard? [12:24] <Aapzak> we have no hills either, so we need to get to the alps anyway [12:24] <Aapzak> yeah [12:24] <lscd> hehe [12:24] <lscd> i shattered an elbow at that :p [12:24] <Aapzak> and since it's on;y a 10 hour drive, it's not that bad [12:24] <Aapzak> yeah, you can fall pretty hard [12:24] <lscd> yeah [12:25] <lscd> i broke it in 4 places and needed tons of metal for a year [12:25] <Aapzak> pfff, thats terrible [12:25] <lscd> yeah, i was on a school trip; another guy brokes his even worse [12:25] <Aapzak> damn [12:26] <lscd> mine's pretty much ok though, just a bit weaker, and i can forget about doing pushups/chinups [12:26] <Aapzak> if you break your elbow, do you break your underarm, or upperarm? [12:26] <lscd> hm? it was the actual elbow, and i shattered it, not my upper or lower arm [12:26] <Aapzak> I broke my ancle once, 3 places, but thats really the bottom of your chin?? (underleg) [12:27] <lscd> no, that's not your heel [12:27] <Aapzak> nope [12:27] <Aapzak> legg [12:27] <lscd> yeah [12:27] <Aapzak> I'd hate to hurt my arms :) [12:27] <lscd> i was thinking that heel might've been what you meant by 'bottom of your chin', since well, your actual chin isn't around there ;) [12:27] <lscd> eh, it's a pain - i've broken both of my wrists too [12:28] <niktaris> I was wondering if there are some instructions on how to build (not remaster) a live cd using d-i and casper [12:28] <Aapzak> boarding too? [12:28] <lscd> but never a finger, so i've always been able to type, so not that big a deal ;) [12:28] <Aapzak> :) [12:28] <lscd> no, one at school with the equipment on the playground, and one roller blading [12:28] <Aapzak> you break a lot [12:28] <lscd> eh, those're my only breaks [12:29] <Aapzak> me too, I break easyly [12:29] <lscd> but yeah - i prefer computers to, say, sports for a reason ;) [12:29] <lscd> i don't get worse than sore wrists here [12:29] <lscd> ok, and back and eyes ;) [12:29] <Aapzak> lol, my butt hurts, my back, arms. All that from NOT using the computer for a week, after I got back everything felt like RSI :) [12:30] <lscd> lol, what were you doing for the week? [12:30] <Aapzak> walking around, playing with my kids, swimming [12:30] <Aapzak> basicly being a kewl dad [12:30] <Aapzak> :) [12:30] <lscd> ahhh [12:31] <Aapzak> prolly [12:31] <Aapzak> 32 [12:31] <lscd> yep [12:31] <Aapzak> my oldest is 4 allready, soon 5 [12:31] <lscd> some guys studying cs with me are that old [12:31] <lscd> cool [12:31] <Aapzak> I just finished 1.5 years ago, cs too [12:31] <Aapzak> so I'm one of them :) [12:31] <lscd> with a bachelor's degree? [12:32] <Aapzak> yep [12:32] <lscd> pfft, naw, you must've been about the average age here when you started ;) [12:32] <Aapzak> lol [12:32] <Aapzak> started at 24 [12:32] <Aapzak> so I took my time, but not that much :) [12:32] <lscd> eh, ok, so you were younger than the average here then, i think [12:32] <Aapzak> oldies then [12:32] <lscd> hm, ~6 years? that's a chunk [12:33] <Aapzak> hmmz, thats good or bad? :) [12:33] <lscd> neutral, just means 'a sort of big amount' :) [12:33] <Aapzak> anyway, my son got really realy angry with my employer because he made me go to work again. He called me during the day to tell me that :) [12:34] <Aapzak> lol [12:34] <Aapzak> my english sucks [12:34] <Aapzak> i'll survive anyway [12:34] <Aapzak> we'll [12:35] <lscd> ehh, your english isn't that bad [12:35] <Aapzak> gtg now, battery is almost empty and since I'm working again tomorrow, I might as just get some sleep [12:35] <lscd> eh, sleep well [12:35] <Aapzak> not that bad, true, [12:35] <lscd> it's pretty decent, actually [12:35] <Aapzak> but I'm, searching for words and make silly mistakes [12:35] <lscd> yeah, vocab is hard [12:36] <Aapzak> I wrote something once in which I used 'wondering around' a couple of times. funny mistake [12:36] <lscd> lol :) [12:36] <Aapzak> thats what I'm struggeling with, and 'easyly' [12:36] <Aapzak> easely [12:36] <Aapzak> easaly [12:36] <Aapzak> dunno [12:37] <lscd> easily [12:37] <Aapzak> haven't tried thatone yet :) [12:37] <lscd> it is that one :) [12:37] <Aapzak> good/ [12:37] <lscd> (english is my first language) [12:37] <Aapzak> ah, [12:37] <Aapzak> that explains a lot [12:38] <Aapzak> well, sleep well too, we'll talk later [12:38] <lscd> thanks [12:38] <Aapzak> :) [12:38] <Aapzak> ciao! [12:38] <lscd> gr.... my bloody mac is refusing to boot off the cdrom drive [12:38] <lscd> ciao [12:38] <lscd> notte ;) [12:38] <Aapzak> :) [12:53] <jwir3> hey everyone. I am trying to setup a wireless card (cisco aironet 350) onto a wpa network. I can't seem to get wpa_supplicant to work correctly. The config file is setup correctly, but I don't know what driver to use. Anyone have success with this? [01:14] <goldfish> ok i have a problem. [01:14] <boga> What does VmSize and VmRss mean in KDE's ksysguard? [01:14] <goldfish> anytime i try to install anything i get ... [01:14] <goldfish> Errors were encountered while processing: [01:14] <goldfish> gtkboard [01:14] <goldfish> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [01:14] <aseigo> VmSize is the total amount of memory the OS has let that app earmark [01:15] <goldfish> hmm. [01:15] <aseigo> RSS is "resident set size" and is approximately the amount of actual RAM the app is using, minus shared libraries, swapped out bits, etc [01:16] <boga> thanx aseigo, but the first answer is not very clear, and the app does not have anyting to explain this! [01:17] <aseigo> boga: you mean the answer re:VmSize is not particularly clear? [01:17] <boga> aseigo: yes, [01:18] <boga> The bit "...has let that app earmark" is not understood [01:18] <aseigo> boga: VmSize is the total amount of RAM that the application is using. some (or a lot) of that may also be shared with other applications, though, in the form of shared libraries and what not [01:18] <boga> ok [01:19] <boga> because I am running NX and was looking for how much resources I have left. [01:22] <aseigo> boga: ah.. you want the total size minus buffers and cache [01:23] <boga> aseigo: possible to obtain that? [01:23] <aseigo> boga: yes. easiest way to find totals in the GUI is to open KInfoCenter and click on the memory page [01:24] <aseigo> boga: or if you wish to use the command line, `free` [01:24] <aseigo> boga: the memory page in Kinfocenter shows usage live though =) [01:26] <boga> thanx...and by the way, if you are the PLASMA guru, I appreciate your work and enjoy reading your insights, though I did not agree with your "praise" of HP a while back. [01:28] <boga> holy Christ! I have 3.9 MB of memory left! [01:28] <aseigo> boga: yeah, that's me [01:28] <bretzel> Hello -- Is it safe to get kde-342 from the kubuntu repos while I am using Ubuntu ? [01:28] <aseigo> boga: remember that you want to MINUS the buffers and cache [01:29] <aseigo> boga: linux tries to keep your RAM used by filling up the RAM not needed by apps with disk caches.. sort of like an automatic, auto-resizing ram disk [01:29] <drunkchmod> aseigo: does this make linux system run hotter than windows system with more RAM being in use? [01:30] <boga> Ok. I should not be worries after all [01:30] <aseigo> drunkchmod: no [01:30] <boga> it even says so in the tooltips [01:30] <aseigo> drunkchmod: if anything it keeps it down by not hitting disk as much [01:30] <aseigo> boga: hoorah for tooltips! =)) [01:30] <drunkchmod> aseigo: very good [01:31] <drunkchmod> bretzel: you desire to use kubuntu on your ubuntu system? [01:34] <boga> aseigo: That's you...wow. Now this might be offtopic but I'll praise HP once I can download their Linux printer drivers from HP.com [01:35] <boga> Since they "support" Linux, they should have a Linux driver section just like they do for Windows. [01:35] <aseigo> usually the best you can get is a link from the drivers page for the printer [01:36] <aseigo> thought usually the most recent printer drivers are included with your linux install these days [01:36] <bretzel> drunkchmod: Why not ? :-) [01:37] <boga> That's not the point. Imagine yrself infronf of a PHB,,,trying to justify an HO printer, but have to go to a 3rd party site to get drivers in order to use some of its unique capabilities! [01:37] <bretzel> drunkchmod: Especialy for Kdevelop (3.1.2) [01:37] <boga> We lost out to Windows at my company this way [01:38] <boga> there I was, going to linuxprinting.com...for an HP printer I claimed was supported by HP! [01:38] <aseigo> well, this is where salesmanship helps =) [01:38] <boga> aseigo: It was hard...infact Windows beat us there. [01:38] <aseigo> at that point i usually point out that the Linux ecosystem works differently, and BETTER, in this way than many others [01:39] <aseigo> instead of having to scour the internet for drivers, we usually have them all assembled in one place [01:39] <boga> well, not when you have others claiming a solution with "known" places for support. [01:39] <aseigo> our achiles heel is that we don't always have the breadth of drivers available, but what is there is usually already categorized [01:39] <aseigo> yes, "known" as in "N different locations for N different solutions" [01:40] <aseigo> which is silly, really, when you think about it [01:40] <boga> Well, if HP had put these drivers on their page, we'd be OK now. After all, they "support" Linux right? [01:40] <aseigo> in an environment where cooperation is encouraged, people help each other find the best solutions. so instead of looking for the "right" printer driver, if it exists it's likely well categorized with all the other ones [01:41] <aseigo> boga: not really. i mean, yes, it would be nice to see more visible signs of support, but i really hate having to dig through every vendor's unique website and deciphering their specific download system [01:41] <boga> But why won't they put these drivers there? WHY? [01:41] <aseigo> boga: much nicer is when they are all pooled together with consistent documentation and access features [01:41] <aseigo> market realities. [01:41] <boga> That's not the way decision makers see things. [01:42] <aseigo> not enough of a desktop market to make waves far enough ashore to reach the people who manage those websites, primariliy [01:42] <boga> when you claim support, verification is made by visiting yr site. [01:42] <aseigo> boga: as i said, this is where salesmanship comes into play. decision makers are often wrong ;) but are almost always willing to discover new and better ways of doing things [01:43] <lscd> boga: decision makers don't see things in one unified way [01:43] <boga> Not when you have another vendor with all sorts of relevant sites...meanwhile, you present Linuxprinnn.com, linuxhhh.net [01:43] <boga> so I see we have a long way to go [01:44] <boga> when IBM fully put Linux support on its site, sales went thru the roof. [01:44] <lscd> lobby hp [01:44] <boga> PHBs suddenly had where to go. [01:45] <aseigo> yes, i agree that the more visible support we get the better we do [01:45] <aseigo> but we also can't sit around and wait for vendors, because in no small part they are also waiting for us [01:45] <aseigo> so we both wait, sitting on our hands [01:45] <boga> aseigo...nice chat & by the way I am in Canada...how are you on the west coast? [01:46] <aseigo> ah! a fellow canuck! wonderful .. things are pretty good out here .. i'm in calgary though right now, not on the coast. [01:46] <aseigo> where abouts are you? [01:46] <boga> Toronto...I'm not fully Canadian, just a resident. [01:47] <boga> I missed the stspede [01:47] <boga> stampede [01:47] <aseigo> boga: bah, if you live here, you're canadian for all that it matters =) we are the melting pot country of the world after all ... where are you from originally? and how long in toronto? [01:48] <aseigo> and if you do make it out for stampede next year, be sure to look me up +) [01:48] <boga> Uganda...close to 3 years [01:48] <boga> I wish I could do more for KDE [01:48] <lscd> yey, more canadians [01:48] <lscd> aseigo: i used to live in edmonton [01:48] <boga> The problem is that I am no coder [01:48] <aseigo> ca - na - da! ca - na - da! ;) [01:48] <boga> ohh [01:48] <supernix> hiya gang [01:48] <boga> Edmonton is sooooo cold I hear [01:48] <supernix> I was curious if they have a banner for Kubuntu ? [01:48] <aseigo> boga: well, there's a lot of non-coding stuff to do in kde [01:49] <lscd> boga: only in winter [01:49] <lscd> and the winter is long ;) [01:49] <aseigo> boga: testing, bug triage, documentation, translations, websites, promo ... [01:49] <boga> I hear so...but I must admit I am lazy. I am looking at writing some documentation [01:50] <boga> there are so many apps. I use Konqui mostly [01:50] <boga> may be that's wahere I should start [01:50] <supernix> hmmm I guess not [01:51] <aseigo> supernix: a banner? [01:51] <aseigo> supernix: you mean for websites? [01:51] <supernix> Yes like for a website [01:51] <aseigo> supernix: a full size one like an advertisment, or those small little "brilliant buttons" [01:52] <supernix> actually it would be nicer to have a banner at the top that is the most noticeable section [01:52] <McScruff> how can i get shockwave in konqueror [01:52] <luminerd> what differs this channel from #ubuntu? [01:52] <aseigo> luminerd: the 'k'. =P [01:52] <supernix> I thought about adding one to my site at www.shotokansite.com to help promote kubuntu [01:53] <luminerd> aseigo, lol, yea, but what kind of discussion? [01:53] <aseigo> McScruff: unfortunately, AFAIK, the newest shockwave only comes as a mozilla plugin and konqi only supports the older NS4 standard [01:53] <aseigo> luminerd: pretty much everything kubuntu.. so ubuntu but with less gnome and more kde talk =) [01:53] <McScruff> damn it, i wanted a firefox free pc [01:54] <McScruff> now i need to install firefox, is there a .deb for 1.0.6? [01:54] <aseigo> supernix: i don't think there is one of those, no... ask Riddell next time he's around there [01:54] <luminerd> aseigo, lol, ok [01:54] <supernix> ok ty aseigo shame though [01:55] <supernix> We don't get a million hits a month but every little bit helps [01:55] <aseigo> supernix: i'm sure it's probably just because nobody has asked yet =) if you're decent with the gimp you may even want to do one up yourself and contribute it back [01:55] <aseigo> supernix: yes, every bit does indeed help [01:55] <supernix> I just noticed that Ubuntu is still #1 on distrowatch.com [01:55] <boga> McScruff: "apt-get -update" && "apt-get -upgrade" as root of course [01:56] <supernix> I did the banner that is there with photoshop but that was a long time ago and so far I don't know anything about gimp much [01:56] <supernix> What do you mean by not being bellweather ? [01:56] <McScruff> boga, dont want whole system updated :) [01:57] <boga> McScruff: then I am lost...you could google it [01:58] <McScruff> apt-get install mozilla-firefox will do [01:58] <McScruff> WTF it doesnt open!!! firefox wont open!!!!! [01:59] <supernix> aseigo: what does bellweather mean ? [01:59] <aseigo> supernix: a measuring guide, if you will [01:59] <luminerd> 5.04 the most recent good one? [01:59] <supernix> oic [01:59] <supernix> what is the best bellweather then ? [02:02] <luminerd> Kubuntu 5.04 is that the most recent/stable (enough) version? If there's a better one considered unstable, but not really unstable, I'd still like it I think....but if I'll be aptitude'ing the rest anyway I suppose it doesn't matter even if I get Ubuntu v 1.0? lol [02:03] <crimsun> yes [02:08] <luminerd> thanks crimsun [02:11] <luminerd> how do I do a 2.6 kernel install? [02:11] <luminerd> with debian it's linux26 option at boot, is that the same here? [02:12] <lscd> as far as i can tell, kubuntu is 2.6 by default [02:14] <crimsun> it is 2.6.10 by default [02:14] <granbar> You all should download kubuntu kernel 3.2 [02:15] <lscd> hah, very funny [02:15] <luminerd> thanks guys [02:15] <lscd> and gcc 2.7? [02:15] <granbar> GVB is the new shit. GNU Visual Basic [02:16] <luminerd> why is my ps/2 keyboard not working? I press enter at the boot screen, and then when I get to the language selection, it won't work to select english. [02:19] <luminerd> nvm, rebooted and it worked [02:26] <Jeezis> i suggest adding the ubuntu-backports repositories, theres a lot of nifty stuff on there [02:39] <luminerd> Hello? [02:39] <luminerd> my mouse doesn't work! :( [02:39] <granbar> modprobe it [02:40] <granbar> good night [02:40] <luminerd> ........... [02:40] <luminerd> modprobe wtf? [02:40] <lscd> the way you load drivers under linux without rebooting [02:40] <lscd> ok, what kind of mouse is it? [02:40] <luminerd> lscd, ps/2 [02:41] <lscd> lsmod | grep psmouse [02:41] <luminerd> psmouse 19336 0 [02:41] <lscd> ok, so modprobe won't help ;) [02:41] <lscd> does it not move at all when you wiggle it? [02:42] <luminerd> nope :( [02:42] <luminerd> should I cat it? [02:42] <lscd> i'd recommend using od, but sure, give that a try [02:42] <luminerd> od? [02:42] <luminerd> either way I forget what command to run :P [02:42] <lscd> like cat, but it deals with binary data [like you'll get from your mouse] without corrupting your terminal [02:42] <lscd> od /dev/psaux perhaps [02:43] <luminerd> permission denied, lscd :( [02:43] <lscd> sudo od /dev/psaux [02:43] <lscd> you need root perms [02:44] <luminerd> ok...so what now? [02:44] <lscd> well, wiggle the mouse [02:44] <lscd> does a bunch of stuff appear? [02:44] <luminerd> nothing [02:44] <lscd> ok, check that it's plugged in tightly [02:44] <lscd> and that you're using the right mouse [02:44] <luminerd> it is [02:44] <luminerd> lol [02:44] <luminerd> I am [02:45] <lscd> dmesg [02:45] <luminerd> eth0: link down [02:46] <luminerd> that's just another problem :( [02:46] <luminerd> lscd, any ideas? [02:46] <lscd> yeah, it is weird.... [02:46] <lscd> er, does your mouse work under other systems? windows, knoppix....? [02:46] <lscd> and you're sure it's not plugged into the keyboard port? [02:46] <luminerd> umm [02:47] <luminerd> err, well if it were my keyboard wouldn't work lol [02:47] <luminerd> 1 sec [02:47] <lscd> sorry if this sounds like dumb questions :p [02:47] <lscd> but you'd be surprised [02:47] <luminerd> yup it's alright [02:47] <luminerd> *all right [02:48] <luminerd> should I try a reboot? [02:48] <lscd> i guess [02:48] <lscd> preferably into non-kubuntu [02:48] <lscd> to see if the mouse works there [02:48] <luminerd> or uh, I could move the mouse to a dif. system? [02:49] <luminerd> all I got's kubuntu. [02:49] <lscd> you'd have to reboot both systems [02:49] <lscd> ahh [02:49] <luminerd> on that system anyway [02:49] <lscd> not got any other livecds sitting around? [02:49] <luminerd> no [02:49] <luminerd> winblows on the other system though [02:50] <lscd> mm [02:50] <lscd> ok, try swapping your mice, after shutting down both pcs [02:50] <luminerd> alright [02:52] <luminerd> I didn't need to reboot the windows system. [02:52] <luminerd> the mouse works. [02:52] <lscd> you shouldn't try to hot-plug ps/2 mice [02:52] <lscd> you can fry stuff [02:52] <luminerd> hot-plug? [02:52] <lscd> plug in while the system is on [02:53] <luminerd> I see...why the crap is that? [02:53] <luminerd> lol [02:53] <lscd> electronics [02:53] <lscd> they're an ugly little field ;) [02:53] <luminerd> -_-' [02:53] <lscd> usb is designed to be fairly safe to hot-plug [02:53] <luminerd> well that might be the prob then [02:53] <lscd> aside from that, on typical consumer pcs, forget it [02:54] <luminerd> fairly safe? [02:54] <luminerd> lol that is frickin lame [02:55] <luminerd> mouse still don't work, lscd [02:55] <luminerd> the other mouse [02:55] <delltony> hi guys have a question in regard to pdf files. i read a lot of ebooks from netlibrary.com and well on windozes it interfaces fine with ie but of course i'm using linux and would like to read these ebooks without the dang thing poping up in a seperate window each page seperately in kpdf. any suggestions is there a adobe acrobat extention for firefox or what? [02:57] <luminerd> delltony, you shouldn't use IE, www.getfirefox.com...and there is no way to view a PDF without something popping up...afaik even IE can't view a PDF inside the browser, it needs a plugin. [02:57] <luminerd> sry if I'm just being ignorant. [02:57] <delltony> i don't use IE jsut saying [02:58] <luminerd> lol I see [02:58] <kaplanfx> hello [02:58] <delltony> your wrong on that thught luminerd [02:58] <delltony> read the example of what i posted [02:58] <delltony> ie has a built in adobe plugini [02:58] <kaplanfx> I'm going to install kubuntu, im wondering what the preferred installation method is [02:58] <luminerd> I read already [02:58] <delltony> it reads it inside the page [02:58] <kaplanfx> should I use a daily cd or hoary? [02:58] <luminerd> That's strange [02:59] <delltony> not really [02:59] <delltony> hats how its designed [02:59] <luminerd> kaplanfx, afaik it doesn't matter since you end up installing all the updates anyway via internet [02:59] <delltony> just like office word loads the .doc files inside of a browser [02:59] <luminerd> delltony, ok, well I dont know what I'm talking about :{ [02:59] <kaplanfx> so I may as well go with the daily eh? [03:00] <luminerd> kaplanfx, don't take my word for it, I'm no expert :P might try #ubuntu [03:00] <delltony> when you go to a page that contains a document [03:00] <delltony> i use to use IE reason i say this [03:00] <luminerd> its more active [03:00] <delltony> but being i have used linux for about 3 years now then its firefox or nothing [03:00] <luminerd> lscd, you still around? [03:00] <delltony> the daily cd is the development build [03:00] <delltony> development = bugs [03:00] <delltony> if you have some spray then go for it [03:01] <delltony> its like firefox i use to do the daily build things [03:01] <delltony> but it ran so crappy i gave up [03:02] <kaplanfx> delltony: then go with hoary? [03:02] <luminerd> yea, kaplanfx sounds like hoary will be best for you [03:02] <luminerd> I'm going to shut up now before I give any more false advice ^_^' [03:03] <delltony> i would go with hoary [03:03] <delltony> until the build array say 6 or so [03:03] <luminerd> My mouse won't work :( I'm using kubuntu 5.04...I can't even od the mouse. :( I tried switching mouses...no mice will work on the system....the same mice work fine on my windoze box. [03:03] <delltony> or the final freeze [03:04] <delltony> you looked in the xorg.conf i think there is a section in there for mouse if i'm not mistaken [03:04] <delltony> actually i know there is cause you have to add stuff for middle button [03:14] <lscd> luminerd: sorry, was doing stuff irl [03:14] <luminerd> irl? [03:15] <lscd> in real life [03:15] <lscd> sorting through papers [03:19] <luminerd> lscd, someone in #ubuntu's having me install gpm [03:21] <lscd> tell them that od doesn't show anything when you od /dev/psaux [03:21] <lscd> gpm is great, but if you're not getting data from your mouse anyhow, it won't help [03:22] <luminerd> I see... [03:22] <luminerd> ok thanks [03:36] <kaplanfx> exit [04:06] <supernix> Hiya gang does anyone happen to know what the Kubuntu slogan might be ? [04:06] <ToyMan> what's a good bittorrent client? [04:06] <lscd> azureus, but it requires java [04:07] <ToyMan> i was using azureus, but I don't see that in packages... [04:07] <lscd> java's in some of the non-free packages, mentioned in the userdocs [04:07] <lscd> azureus itself, dunno [04:08] <ToyMan> k, thanks [04:21] <npfet> Konversation isn't bad! [04:26] <supernix> ok don't laugh but I did create a banner this was my first real use of Gimp [04:26] <supernix> And all I did was do a screen capture and adjust the size and cut out a part of the image [04:27] <_jeremy> Hey, can somebody help me with a kubuntu issue im having? Im trying to install flash but its telling me that its not compatible with the x86_64 architecture, how do i get around that and get flash working? [04:34] <lscd> it's in the docs, iirc the solution is to use 'gplflash', which, according to the docs, is neither complete nor stable [04:39] <_jeremy> im use to instability, im a windows user who converted to linux today [04:40] <_jeremy> where would i find the gplflash so that i can use it so i can have flash? [04:42] <lscd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-f375cba46014e861cd5ec7643bd7c4ef05acff2b [04:42] <lscd> you have to manually compile it, but it's only a few steps [04:43] <lscd> i prefer gentoo's way of dealing with flash on amd64 - gplflash is packaged, but you can also run a 32 bit browser and macromedia flash [04:47] <_jeremy> the main browser im running is firefox [04:57] <ray_> TestMAD: did you ever get that guys pc up and running? [05:04] <TestMAD> mo [05:04] <TestMAD> i didnt [05:04] <TestMAD> he's not ready yetr [05:04] <TestMAD> i was just gewtting some info first [05:04] <ray_> ahh [05:09] <supernix> this is my first attempt at a banner I did it with a screen shot and gimp http://www.shotokansite.com/kubuntu-logo.jpg [05:27] <_jeremy> im trying to install gplflash-0.4.13, and when i do the configure for it, it gives me this error: checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables [05:27] <_jeremy> how do i correct this error? [05:36] <nate_> what program does linux use to test password complexity? [05:36] <lscd> nate_: there are several [05:37] <nate_> lscd, one of them would be great, thanks :) [05:37] <nate_> one that i could use in a shell script, preferably [05:38] <lscd> i forget the names off the top of my head, tbh [05:38] <nate_> well then, that was helpful ;P [05:39] <lscd> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux%20password%20strength&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 <-- go wild [05:42] <supernix> Anyone happen to know when they will update the OOo packages in the repositories ? [05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: you mean 1.1.*? [05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> mines updating now... but I'm on Breezy [05:43] <supernix> actually the 1.19 [05:43] <_jeremy> im trying to install gplflash-0.4.13, and when i do the configure for it, it gives me this error: checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables. How do i correct this error? [05:43] <supernix> I think they call it OOo 2.0 [05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: i had them update yesterday [05:43] <supernix> Kamping_Kaiser: didn't they say that breezy was still unstable ? [05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: it is unstable. very unstalbe [05:46] <supernix> Ah I still see the 1.9.79 which I have seen 1.9.118 on the OOo official site [05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> *checks* [05:46] <ray_> 2.0 isnt out yet [05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> they ahhave updated the spash screen though :) [05:47] <supernix> Yeah I really liked that [05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.9.121 <- my oo.o [05:48] <_jeremy> does nobody have a suggestion for me on how to fix my problem? [05:48] <supernix> hmmm Kamping_Kaiser you must be getting it from different sources for sure [05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: master Ubuntu repositries [05:49] <supernix> _jeremy: sure wish I knew what to do to help you but I just don't know enough myself [05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have buiild essetianls installed properly _jeremy? [05:49] <_jeremy> build essentials? [05:49] <ray_> yeah _jeremy build-esasentials [05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> *build-essentials [05:50] <ray_> oops [05:50] <ray_> drunk [05:50] <_jeremy> im fairly new to linux, so you will have to be a little more detailed than that [05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm trying to find the package info for you [05:50] <_jeremy> ok, thanks [05:51] <ray_> !find build-essentials [05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> build-essential no S [05:51] <ray_> ahh [05:51] <ray_> !find build-essential [05:51] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB [05:51] <ray_> so sudo apt-get install [05:51] <supernix> I learnt me something about versions [05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> _jeremy: do you use synaptic/kynaptic/apt? [05:52] <supernix> that 1 at the end means it is the first time it was packaged :D [05:52] <_jeremy> kynaptic [05:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'build-essentials' returned no results. [05:52] <Jeezis> anyone know a place to download a free ssl certificate compatible with konqueror? [05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: :o [05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> _jeremy: do you have internet repositreis turned on? i cant help you with that... i don't use kynaptic [05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> then search and install build-essential [05:53] <_jeremy> internet repositeries? [05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> _jeremy: so your running a stock Kubuntu install? [05:54] <_jeremy> yes [05:54] <_jeremy> minor changes like downloaded programs like firefox, gaim, ect. but basically stock [05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> installing build-es is the same as installing other packages [05:55] <nate_> what program does linux use to test password complexity? [05:55] <nate_> one that i could use in a shell script, preferably [05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> cracklib? [05:56] <ray_> what is the command to run openoffice2? [05:56] <_jeremy> ok, i innstalled build essentials [05:56] <_jeremy> installed* [05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ray_: oo <tab> [05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> are your options [05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> try oofice2 [05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> *ooffice2 [05:57] <ray_> nope [05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> suer you have it installed? [05:58] <ray_> worked [05:58] <Jeezis> anyone know a place to download a free ssl certificate compatible with konqueror? [05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> kaiser@ROMMEL:~ $ ooffice [05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ooffice ooffice2 [05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeezis: i doubt there are any [05:58] <Jeezis> blarg :-p [05:59] <Kaiser_essen> :( [05:59] <Kaiser_essen> good luck all [05:59] <Jeezis> thanks Kaiser_essen [05:59] <_jeremy> ok, now its saying it requires libz [06:00] <_jeremy> when i search it though kynaptic, the only things i get are libzephyr3, libzephyr-dev, libzvt2, and libzvt-dev [06:00] <crimsun> what are you trying to do? [06:00] <ray_> _jeremy: what are u trying to install [06:01] <_jeremy> gplflash-0.4.13 [06:01] <ray_> what is that [06:01] <crimsun> If you're trying to compile something, you need zlib1g-dev. [06:01] <ray_> !find gplflash [06:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'gplflash' returned no results. [06:02] <_jeremy> ok, did that and now it gives me this: error: cannot find X11 development files [06:03] <ray_> what is gplflash? [06:03] <lscd> it's a free implementation of (part of) flash [06:03] <lscd> it's covered in the userdocs [06:03] <ray_> why not use normal flash? [06:03] <lscd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-f375cba46014e861cd5ec7643bd7c4ef05acff2b [06:03] <_jeremy> its to run flash on an x86_64 architecture system [06:04] <lscd> normal flash is only available for 32 bit intel pcs [06:04] <ray_> ahhh [06:04] <lscd> if you've got a 64 bit system, or a ppc system, etc, it's useless [06:04] <ray_> and its not in the repos? [06:04] <lscd> no, it's not [06:04] <lscd> the ubuntu repositories seem disappointingly small (i'm used to gentoo) [06:05] <_jeremy> no, im told its not complete and not stable, but im a windows user, so im used to software like that, but i need it, so its worth the risk [06:05] <_jeremy> i tried gentoo before this, couldnt get it installed, it was having problems with my hd and it wouldnt access it to partition it the way it needed [06:05] <lscd> it'd probably be more stable, though a little more complex, to get a 32-bit version of firefox and use normal flash with it [06:06] <lscd> _jeremy: ahh, sata? i had problems like that too, but eventually got them sorted and installed it [06:06] <_jeremy> the version of firefox that i got was one that was available in the repository [06:06] <_jeremy> yep, sata [06:07] <lscd> hm, boot with nodma, maybe modprobe something, and hda might be hdg, iirc [06:07] <_jeremy> i wasnt sure how to fix the problem, got frustrated and started looking for a different distro [06:07] <lscd> gentoo is a bitch to install [06:07] <lscd> but after that, it gives you far less of the kinds of pains you're going through for gplflash [06:07] <_jeremy> yea, i heard that before i tried but figured i would give it a shot anyway. turns out everybody was right, so i abandoned it and got kubuntu [06:07] <ray_> !find flash [06:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'flash' (11 shown): flashplayer-mozilla ;; flashplugin-nonfree ;; flashybrid ;; libflash-dev ;; libflash-mozplugin ;; libflash-swfplayer ;; libflash0 ;; libroxen-flash2 ;; newsflash ;; osflash ;; vrflash. [06:08] <_jeremy> so what are the X11 dev files and can i get them on kynaptic? [06:08] <ray_> none of those will work? [06:09] <lscd> !find x11 [06:09] <Jeezis> _jeremy: definately install synaptic at some point, it's a lot nicer than kynaptic [06:09] <lscd> libx11-dev at a guess [06:09] <ray_> yeah synaptic is nicer [06:09] <Jeezis> but i suppose one problem at a time :-p [06:09] <_jeremy> yea, flash tonight, everything else can come later [06:10] <ray_> _jeremy: x-dev [06:10] <_jeremy> is synaptic listed on kynaptic to download? or do i have to find it elsewhere? [06:10] <ray_> _jeremy: xlibs-dev [06:10] <ray_> _jeremy: libx11-dev [06:10] <ray_> i see all those [06:12] <_jeremy> getting those now. no wonder i used to like windows, it wasnt this big of a pain as long as it wasnt crashing on me [06:13] <_jeremy> while im downloading those, do you guys know of any good linux firewalls? [06:13] <lscd> _jeremy: linux on amd64 is still a bit of a pain [06:13] <lscd> _jeremy: hardware or software? [06:13] <_jeremy> ive noticed [06:13] <_jeremy> software [06:14] <lscd> fwiw, windows on amd64 wouldn't even see either of 2 disks i threw at it [06:14] <_jeremy> and i want antivirus and anti spyware stuff also [06:14] <lscd> you don't need those [06:14] <lscd> there are no in-the-wild viruses for linux [06:14] <_jeremy> really? i heard there were, but very very few of them, like under 50 [06:15] <lscd> there are viruses, but they're all research ones, and none are actively spreading ("in the wild") [06:15] <lscd> the only way you'll get infected is if you actively look for one and manually run it [06:15] <_jeremy> ah, thats good [06:15] <_jeremy> and no spyware for linux correct? [06:16] <lscd> as for spyware, there's not any for linux - closest we have are rootkits, andn you can use chkrootkit, but that's next to useless, as any good rootkit will hide from it - they're fairly rare, and if you keep your system up to date should be a non-issue [06:17] <lscd> those tend to be installed by hand by script kiddies [06:18] <lscd> odds are excellent you won't get one even if you don't stay up to date [average time for an unpatched linux box to get compromised is fairly high, and ubuntu doesn't run any servers by default] , but it's a good idea to anyhow [06:19] <_jeremy> yea, i was reading the other day that an average windows compromise time is 10 minutes, where as it is measured in months with linux [06:19] <lscd> yeah [06:19] <lscd> and if you're not running any servers, realistically, it's "never" [06:19] <lscd> assuming you're not giving shells out [06:20] <_jeremy> not running any servers yet, but i will be in the next couple months i hope [06:20] <_jeremy> damn, it compiled, but it wont install, its saying permission denied [06:20] <ray_> sudo [06:20] <lscd> keep them up to date, don't run any notorious ones like wuftpd [if you want to run an ftpd, vsftpd might be a good idea if it has all the features you need] , and it should be fine [06:21] <ray_> sudo make install _jeremy [06:23] <_jeremy> giving alot of messages like Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. [06:23] <ray_> thats normal [06:23] <_jeremy> ok [06:23] <ray_> i think [06:24] <lscd> yes, absolutely [06:25] <lscd> _jeremy: there are various graphical firewall builders - you might appreciate those [06:25] <lscd> i've always done it by hand, so i can't advise you there, sorry [06:26] <ray_> bitchx is pretty cool [06:27] <_jeremy> yea, i dont have a clue how to do it by hand, so a graphical firewall builder would be a good thing [06:28] <_jeremy> ok, after i do the install, is there something else im supposed to do, because it still is telling me in firefox that i need to install the plugin [06:30] <ray_> you must have to link it [06:30] <lscd> you'll have to restart firefox [06:31] <_jeremy> tried restarting firefox [06:31] <_jeremy> how do i link it? [06:31] <ray_> find the libflash file and link it to firefox plugins folder [06:32] <lscd> ttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-14905.html [06:38] <_jeremy> hmm, did a file search and didnt find a libflash file [06:39] <kaplanfx> damn [06:39] <kaplanfx> how do I get rid of this fugly background in konq [06:39] <kaplanfx> I think I searched every possible option dialog [06:39] <kaplanfx> found it [06:39] <ray_> in konq [06:40] <kaplanfx> damn that was hidden [06:40] <ray_> easy [06:40] <kaplanfx> wtf [06:40] <kaplanfx> view -> configure background [06:40] <kaplanfx> not intuitive [06:40] <kaplanfx> should just be in configure konqueror options [06:40] <kaplanfx> or should at least be cloned in both places [06:41] <kaplanfx> heh other than that kubuntu is quite nice [06:41] <kaplanfx> er the other thing is I think its trying to mount volumes in the fstab before the drivers for them are loaded [06:41] <kaplanfx> my usb2 external drive can't get mounted as such [06:44] <kaplanfx> now for some server goodness [06:44] <kaplanfx> :) [06:49] <_jeremy> brb, going to restart [06:54] <_jeremy> im back [06:57] <kaplanfx> why did you restart? [06:58] <Kaiser_essen> wb [06:58] <_jeremy> in hopes of it getting the flash thing to work in firefox. What can i say, im in windows user and when in windows, if i program doesnt work, restart and chances are it will [06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol yeh, different culture [06:59] <kaplanfx> hehe [06:59] <_jeremy> yea, its quite a difference, more so than i was expecting, and thats even after taking a linux class [06:59] <kaplanfx> you want to untar the flash tarball then link libflashplayer.so to you ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins dir [07:00] <kaplanfx> at least I think thats the dir [07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 class? [07:00] <kaplanfx> hehe linux has no class [07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P lol [07:00] <_jeremy> not a very good class, all we could use was the command line to learn to change dir and such, we never even got to see a GUI [07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's all the L1 of the LPI is [07:01] <kaplanfx> gah [07:01] <kaplanfx> firefox doesn't want to use gtk-qt :( [07:01] <kaplanfx> _jeremy: thats the best stuff to learn :) [07:01] <kaplanfx> the rest is just clicky clicky [07:02] <lscd> kaplanfx: eh, but you can at least do interesting stuff with it [07:02] <lscd> changing a dir is important, but it probably doesn't fascinate anyone [07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lscd: but it's a must have skill [07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> as it was in MSDOS [07:03] <_jeremy> how do i link it to the firefox plugin folder? [07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kakalto [07:04] <lscd> Kamping_Kaiser: absolutely; i just think that any class of any reasonable length should do something that gets the student's attention unless they're already quite focused - it'll make the rest stick better [07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, that's quite true as well [07:05] <kakalto> heya Kaiser [07:06] <kakalto> how's it goin? [07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad. catching up on email reading... self? [07:07] <kakalto> not too good, but life must go on [07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's happening? [07:08] <kakalto> my 2 best friends don't co-operate well [07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, sounds familar tbh [07:09] <TestMAD> tell the mto kiss and make up [07:09] <TestMAD> j/k [07:09] <kakalto> I wish [07:09] <kakalto> already tried :P [07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> move one intersate ;) worked for me [07:11] <kakalto> heheh. [07:12] <kakalto> not of that age yet :) [07:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh well :) [07:13] <kakalto> I would ditch 1 of the friends, (since I`m pretty sure he's in the wrong) but he's kinda suicidal [07:14] <kakalto> >_> [07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S not cool [07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you have to take sides? [07:15] <kakalto> not officially, but when he calls her a slut, I get that idea [07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> nearly finished my dist-upgrade [07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: that's um... tricky [07:16] <kakalto> especially when I know she's not like that [07:16] <kakalto> >.< [07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( [07:18] <kakalto> and the 'evidence' he has is from another party [07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> k [07:22] <_jeremy> how would i link the libflash to the firefox plugins folder? [07:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> with ln [07:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ln -s /original/file /sym/link [07:27] <supernix> anyone know much about security and Kubuntu ? [07:27] <supernix> I had a site get hacked and the host is doing everything he can to try and blame it on me [07:27] <_jeremy> sym? [07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: pardon? [07:28] <supernix> I told him I doubted that Kubuntu had any security issues and that he should investigate his side more to see how they got in [07:28] <supernix> The person uploaded some files somehow that allowed the hacker to take over the peoples Windows box if they went to that page [07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: a Linux server? [07:29] <supernix> Then it created some sort of bot net out of them all [07:29] <supernix> Yes [07:29] <supernix> this is the kernel he is running 2.4.21-20.0.1.ELsmp [07:30] <supernix> and he is running apache 1.3.33 [07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kubuntu has the same level of security problems (if not less) as any other Linux distro. [07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, that's his fault [07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> if he's runnning 2.4 he deservs to burn [07:30] <supernix> is 2.4 a security hazard ? [07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, from what you have told me it sounds like it's not kubuntus fault [07:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2.4 has lots of known security holes, that cause lots of problems [07:31] <supernix> He tried to tell me that someone must have sniffed my password and obtained access [07:31] <supernix> I told him there is or should be no way to brute force guess the password any good security setup should detect that [07:32] <supernix> at least that is what I think [07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> if your password got sniffed that's tricky, it's not necesarily your fault or his. [07:32] <supernix> I am on cable so I do know that man in the middle attacks are possible [07:33] <supernix> That part I don't doubt [07:33] <supernix> That would have to do with the security of my ISP wouldn't it ? [07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: it would depend on a lot of things. [07:33] <_eric> i need help with GRUB [07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i cant realy give a proper opinion [07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok _eric [07:33] <supernix> ok ty Kamping_Kaiser [07:34] <_eric> how do i pull up grub.conf in the terminal window? [07:34] <sproingie> 2.4.whatever.EL is *not* a stock 2.4 kernel [07:34] <_eric> i can't get into su [07:34] <sproingie> that's redhat, and it's heavily heavily patched [07:34] <sproingie> as in, it's almost 2.6 [07:34] <pax> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst [07:35] <guest> hi all [07:36] <Kream> I just installed kubuntu for the first time... how do I add the kubuntu deb repository so that I can install security updates etc. ? [07:36] <_eric> k, now how do i edit it so that my windows xp is the primary os for grub? [07:36] <pax> _eric: take it to the top of the list [07:36] <_eric> and i do that how?? [07:36] <pax> Kream: topic [07:37] <pax> _eric: you have an entry for xp in that list dont you? [07:37] <_jeremy> what is the command or whatever to be root when im working in the console and get a permission denied error? [07:37] <pax> !sudo [07:37] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo [07:37] <_eric> i am looking at it and no there isn't, when i boot the computer it comes up in grub as an "other operating system" [07:37] <_jeremy> sudo, thanks [07:38] <pax> _eric: if grub shows it then it on that list [07:38] <jeh_work> hm, my kubuntu installed just fine [07:39] <jeh_work> but it's no screamer on the epia m10000 [07:39] <pax> _eric: grub list your entries just the way they are on menu.list, if you move an OS entry to the top, grub will present it to you as the first one at boot [07:40] <_jeremy> damn it, i still cant get any kind of flash to work on firefox and ive been at this for 4 hours [07:40] <_eric> pax, i am telling you it is not on there, in ubuntu, and fedora it was a matter of changing a number to i think 4 instead of zero
 i am looking at it and no there isn't, when i boot the computer it comes up in grub as an "other operating system" [07:40] <pax> what do you mean by that? [07:41] <_eric> pax, i think it was a matter of changing the default value [07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> it is an other operating system [07:41] <pax> _jeremy: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla [07:42] <_eric> how do i copy from nano into the input field for irc? [07:42] <_eric> i will show you the list i have [07:42] <pax> _eric: use kedit or kate [07:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> to make it default you can savelast and boot Windows, or count the entries and put in the Windows number [07:42] <_eric> See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8) [07:42] <_eric> # grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8), [07:42] <_eric> # grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub [07:42] <_eric> # and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/. [07:42] <_eric> that is what i have [07:42] <pax> kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst [07:44] <_eric> ok, there we go, now i have more on my screen then with nano [07:44] <_jeremy> pax , it says couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla [07:44] <pax> !find flashplayer-mozilla [07:44] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB [07:44] <_eric> so then i move this to the top? (see next message) [07:44] <_eric> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS [07:44] <_eric> # on /dev/hda1 [07:44] <_eric> title Microsoft Windows XP Professional [07:44] <_eric> root (hd0,0) [07:44] <_eric> savedefault [07:45] <_eric> makeactive [07:45] <_eric> chainloader +1 [07:45] <pax> _jeremy: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include multiverse [07:45] <_eric> do i move all of that to the top of the list? [07:45] <pax> _jeremy: http://ninux.net/files/ [07:45] <pax> oops [07:45] <pax> _jeremy: http://ninux.net/files/sources [07:46] <_eric> pax, do i move all of that to the top of the list? [07:46] <Kream> what are ubuntu backports? [07:46] <pax> _eric: do me a favor, make a backuo if that file before you edit it, sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst_backup [07:47] <pax> Kream: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports [07:47] <_jeremy> ok, im at the sources.list and i have the ninux.net/files/sources open, what to i do? [07:47] <_eric> k, now what? [07:47] <pax> copy/paste, backuo your original file first [07:47] <pax> backup* [07:47] <_jeremy> k [07:48] <pax> when done, sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [07:48] <Kream> pax: thanks *sheepish grin* [07:48] <pax> _jeremy: then sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla [07:50] <_jeremy> ok, it wont let me write to that file [07:50] <pax> you need to be root [07:50] <_eric> pax, i hate to sound rude, but i am in a hurry [07:50] <pax> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list [07:50] <pax> _eric: come again [07:51] <pax> _eric: the entry you paste to the channel earlier, make it on the top of grub ebtries [07:51] <pax> entries* [07:51] <_eric> pax, i need to know what all to copy to the top of the list. Do i leave out stuff that has a # in front of it? like this: # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS [07:51] <pax> what teh diffrence anyway, top bottom, it there [07:52] <_eric> ok, i'll give it a try [07:52] <pax> _eric: paste everything in that file to http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/ and give me a link [07:52] <_jeremy> nothing but a page full of errors, basically saying it cant find the package [07:53] <pax> can find flashplayer-mozilla ? [07:53] <_jeremy> correct [07:53] <_eric> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/917 [07:53] <pax> did you sudo apt-get update ? [07:54] <_jeremy> i was told earlier in the evening that it wouldnt work with the 64 bit architecture, which is why ive spent hours tonight trying to get gplflash working, but havent had any luck past installing it [07:54] <pax> _eric: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/918 [07:55] <_jeremy> tried the update, didnt help [07:55] <pax> _jeremy: ugh couldnt you say that erlier I dunno about 64 [07:56] <_eric> pax, k, done [07:56] <_eric> save it now? [07:56] <pax> _eric: yes. [07:56] <pax> have a backup correct? [07:56] <_eric> and this will make windows xp the default? [07:57] <_eric> yes [07:57] <pax> nv we all have your backup now [07:57] <_eric> i have backup [07:57] <_eric> lol, true [07:57] <_jeremy> sorry, i hadnt been told to try this route, i was just told that i couldnt get it straight from macromedia, i didnt realize that this would end up the same way. Forgive me, today is my first real day using Linux, ive been a windows user for well over a decade [07:57] <pax> yes xp will be on top now if you dont do anything after 10 secs xp will boot [07:57] <_eric> well, i am going to reboot and see how it works [07:58] <pax> _eric: btw you can change that timeout from 10 to anything you want [07:58] <_eric> if i am not back in this room tonight assume it worked, or total system failure occured [07:59] <_eric> i know how to change the timeout, and also, i remember now that there was an easier way, all i had to do was change the: default 0, to:default 3 [07:59] <pax> _jeremy: glad to hear that, enjoy linux :D [07:59] <_eric> if i rember right, it may have been 4 [07:59] <pax> _jeremy: can you paste the error you get? [07:59] <_eric> but this works too [07:59] <_eric> thanks for the help [07:59] <_jeremy> im trying, but spending 5 hours just trying to get flash working isnt making me very confident [08:00] <pax> lol [08:00] <pax> well that the fun part [08:00] <_jeremy> lol, this is getting more frustrating that trying to install gentoo [08:00] <_jeremy> which error would you like me to paste? [08:01] <pax> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla get you an error you said [08:01] <pax> what does it spit? [08:01] <_jeremy> after a couple of hours of work, i got gplflash-0.4.13 installed, but wasnt sure where to go after that [08:02] <Kream> do I have to do anything special to get the ssh server to start at every boot ? [08:02] <_jeremy> well, i could post the whole thing, but from previous irc room experiences, it would likely lead to a ban for flooding [08:02] <pax> it should start w/o you doing anything Kream [08:02] <pax> _jeremy: paste to http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/ [08:04] <_jeremy> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/920 [08:05] <pax> _jeremy: sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list empty everything and copy/paste this http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/38 [08:07] <_jeremy> kedit: command not found [08:08] <pax> _jeremy: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list empty everything and copy/paste this http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/38 [08:09] <_jeremy> ok, pasted and saved [08:09] <pax> _jeremy: sudo apt-get update [08:09] <_jeremy> ok, completed [08:10] <pax> any errors? [08:10] <_jeremy> nope [08:10] <pax> _jeremy: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla [08:10] <_jeremy> still couldn't find it [08:11] <TestMAD> its not called flashplayer-mozilla [08:11] <TestMAD> i forget what it is. [08:11] <pax> pax@debuntu:~$apt-cache search flashplayer-mozilla [08:11] <pax> flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player [08:11] <TestMAD> hmm [08:11] <pax> !find flashplayer-mozilla [08:11] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB [08:11] <pax> weird [08:12] <TestMAD> unless they changed the name in the past 2 weeks.. [08:12] <TestMAD> thats not it [08:12] <pax> _jeremy: one sec [08:12] <_jeremy> ok, np [08:12] <TestMAD> look it up in kynaptic [08:12] <TestMAD> find mozilla [08:13] <pax> http://www.petitiononline.com/lin64swf/petition.html <- this explains it [08:14] <pax> there no flash for amd64 [08:14] <_jeremy> so am i out of luck then? [08:15] <pax> I sorry _jeremy seems like youl need to wait :( [08:16] <_jeremy> np, i still have XP Pro on my laptop that i can look up all flash critical things, i was just hoping i could do it on linux [08:16] <pax> i386 works fine on 64 I head [08:16] <pax> heard* [08:17] <_jeremy> and how do i go about doing that? [08:17] <kaplanfx> _jeremy: flash on linux sucks, the sound is all borked [08:17] <kaplanfx> u don't want it anyway [08:17] <TestMAD> hehe..good explanation there [08:17] <kaplanfx> well its true [08:17] <TestMAD> borked... [08:17] <TestMAD> hehe [08:18] <kaplanfx> haha [08:18] <kaplanfx> you've never heard that before? [08:18] <TestMAD> it is messed up tho. [08:18] <kaplanfx> its the non-leet version of b04ked [08:18] <TestMAD> boinked..not borked [08:18] <kaplanfx> or something [08:18] <kaplanfx> b0rk3d [08:18] <kaplanfx> use it, its good [08:19] <pax> any smokers here? [08:19] <kaplanfx> until you say it out loud to a bunch of non-technical people [08:19] <TestMAD> i am] [08:19] <kaplanfx> then you sound like a weirdo [08:19] <pax> I smell cigarettes [08:19] <TestMAD> but it depends on whats being smoked [08:19] <kaplanfx> hehe [08:19] <pax> what do you smoke, code [08:19] <TestMAD> nah..skriptkiddies [08:19] <TestMAD> heheh [08:20] <kaplanfx> pax: pot [08:20] <kaplanfx> weed [08:20] <kaplanfx> ganja [08:20] <kaplanfx> mary jane [08:20] <kaplanfx> etc... [08:20] <TestMAD> thats illeal [08:20] <kaplanfx> haha [08:20] <TestMAD> illegal [08:20] <kaplanfx> TestMAD: not in Kapland [08:20] <kaplanfx> im a soverign nation [08:20] <TestMAD> hah..ok [08:21] <kaplanfx> er at least this side of my house [08:21] <kaplanfx> actually I don't much anymore [08:21] <TestMAD> pax: you smell smoke now? [08:21] <kaplanfx> much of my early experiments with linux were performed in college at 4 in the morning whilst highly stoned [08:22] <kaplanfx> when I wasn't afriad to break stuff [08:22] <pax> I smell what pax is cooking now [08:22] <TestMAD> highly stoned and playin with linux is like watchin old timers fix a pc.. [08:22] <TestMAD> its funny [09:23] <buz> terror [09:32] <luminerd> dang [09:32] <luminerd> not much discussion goes on in here, eh? [09:33] <paines> it does [09:33] <TestMAD> yea..it does.. [09:33] <luminerd> lol [09:33] <paines> :-) [09:33] <TestMAD> just most ppl on here ruight now are asleep [09:33] <TestMAD> like i should be [09:34] <paines> just arrived in office [09:34] <paines> europe here [09:35] <dracool> chale [09:46] <paines> damn [09:47] <paines> anyone know a vncserver which isn't written in perl [09:47] <paines> vncserver and tightvncserver are [09:49] <Choubaka> :/ [09:49] <jpatrick> :\ [10:58] <Yannick_R> hi [11:00] <Yannick_R> I just installed kubuntu, in OOo the fonts in the menu are all blurred and the french special letters are not displayed. [11:02] <Yannick_R> do you guys know how to fix this ? [11:08] <jpatrick> you checked fonts in the control center? [11:08] <jpatrick> do you have nvidia? [11:09] <Yannick_R> yes nv free drivers [11:09] <jpatrick> :-/ [11:11] <Archite> I'm curious, has anyone else had problems with the opengl screensavers in Kubuntu? Everything works find in Ubuntu, but in Kubuntu nothing happens. [11:11] <jpatrick> in Kubuntu it's slow [11:12] <Archite> jpatrick: any type of fix? [11:12] <jpatrick> I dunno [11:12] <Archite> jpatrick: I've been looking all over google for something... hehe, obviously I couldn't find anything since I'm asking on here now. Kinda depressing [11:13] <jpatrick> have you recently upgraded your system? [11:14] <Archite> jpatrick: yeah, I'm now running 3.4.2 [11:14] <Archite> jpatrick: fresh install though [11:14] <jpatrick> :-/ no idea [11:14] <Archite> jpatrick: yeah, strange. Everything is loading correclty. Even pulled a xorg.conf from Ubuntu... Blah [11:15] <jpatrick> how much RAM do you have? [11:15] <Archite> jpatrick: A gig [11:15] <jpatrick> wow :-o [11:17] <jpatrick> i have a quarter of that [11:17] <Archite> interesting, I can't even get to the options screen on most of the GL screensavers [11:20] <jpatrick> wb [11:22] <nikkia> grrr, stupid question time... [11:22] <jpatrick> _ [11:22] <nikkia> where's the setting to turn off single-click stuff ? [11:23] <nikkia> k3b annoys me with its no-way-to-select-a-bunch-of-files-because-the-first-click-gets-counted-as-an-'add' behaviour :/ [11:23] <nikkia> ah, there [11:23] <nikkia> 'peripherals/mouse' so logical [11:24] <nikkia> grrr 'you have to restart KDE to make this change' [11:24] <nikkia> brb, again [11:29] <nikkia> erm, ok [11:29] <jpatrick> which is better KXDocker or KSmoothDock? [11:30] <jpatrick> I'm think KXDock [11:30] <hussam> How come kubuntu does not automount cdroms? when I insert a cdrom , it appears in konqueror but I still have to right-click + mount [11:33] <jpatrick> does the same here :p [11:33] <hussam> is there any setting I can change to get it to automount stuff? [11:34] <nikkia> hussam, you'd need to install and setup autofs [11:34] <nikkia> i don't know if its in the kubuntu repos, and it has some major caveats [11:35] <nikkia> like, you have to disable it before burning a CD/DVD or you'll waste a disc :) [11:38] <McScruff> how do i check what kernel im running? [11:38] <nikkia> hussam: i'm actually pondering adding support to k3b to deal with things like autofs [11:38] <nikkia> McScruff: uname -a [11:38] <McScruff> ty [11:39] <nikkia> hussam: i figure adding a list of processes to watch for before starting burning, and disable/enable scripts should do it [11:42] <nikkia> ie, you add an entry that says process name: autofs disable script: /usr/local/bin/stop_autofs_kde enable script: /usr/local/bin/start_autofs_kde reenable after burn: yes [11:42] <nikkia> then, before starting the burn process, it'd look at the process table, see autofs is running, and run the disable script, then after the burn is finished, it'd run the matching enable script to reenable it [11:42] <nikkia> it wouldn't be a huge amount of code to add to k3b, the hardest bit would probably be modifying the k3b preferences to present the list [11:46] <nikkia> urgh, that was a absolutely bad idea! [11:47] <pax> jpatrick: kxdoker is nice but I never got it to install from source. [11:47] <Archite> hehe [11:47] <jpatrick> pax: I downloaded the .deb [11:47] <pax> jpatrick: is it working> [11:47] <pax> jpatrick: is it working? [11:47] <jpatrick> yes [11:48] <pax> using kde 3.4.2? [11:48] <jpatrick> yes [11:48] <pax> hmm got it to install but wouldn't start [11:48] <Archite> jpatrick: Well, I figured out why the screensavers won't work. I get an error Xmu library installation. Ever run across anything like that? [11:49] <jpatrick> no [11:49] <pax> kxdocker_0.32-1_i386.deb right? [11:49] <jpatrick> yeah [11:49] <rikva> does kubuntu support the kde 3.4 translucency? [11:49] <pax> weird [11:49] <jpatrick> did you download kxdocker-data? [11:50] <pax> data is just themes and stuff [11:50] <jpatrick> never mind [11:50] <pax> gimme a link if handy [11:50] <hussam> nikkia; I installed autofs, do I need to reboot and is there anything that needs to be configured? [11:51] <nikkia> hussam: you shouldn't need to reboot, but it will need to be configured, yes [11:51] <hussam> nikkia: how? [11:51] <nikkia> hussam: however you want, its very personal [11:51] <nikkia> its also pretty complicated :P [11:52] <hussam> i'll log out and log in again [11:52] <nikkia> hussam: if you installed from a repos, i don't know what files it uses, but the default is /etc/auto.* [11:52] <nikkia> erm, thats going to make no difference :P [11:55] <nikkia> i don't think i gave the impression that configuring autofs was going to be easy, did i ? [11:57] <nikkia> hussam, that was a waste of logging out/back in :) [11:59] <hussam> is there some .conf file I need to edit? [12:00] <nikkia> hussam, the default files used by autofs when its built from source are /etc/auto.* if you've installed from the repository, i don't know what files it will be using, let me make it clear though, autofs is *not* easy to configure, which is most likely why [k] ubuntu doesn't install it by default [12:00] <nikkia> as i said, you also need to make sure you disable it before doing things like writing CDs, as otherwise it will interfere and cause the burn to fail [12:00] <nikkia> hussam: yes, lots of them [12:01] <nikkia> at very least, auto.misc, possibly auto.master and fstab [12:02] <nikkia> if you want networking shares auto-mounted too, probably auto.net and auto.smb [12:02] <McScruff> i have a pda plugged in in usb and i want to use this in vmware, but host operating system has control, how can i stop kubuntu havein control? [12:02] <nikkia> thats ignoring the fact that if autofs support isn't compiled into the kernel you'll need to do that somehow :) [12:03] <hussam> nikkia: it said it loaded a kernel module when I did apt-get install autofs [12:05] <nikkia> i wish i'd never mentioned it now :P [12:06] <hussam> nikkia: don't worry ,I'll just forget about it. it's not a big deal. [12:16] <nikkia> lol @ bulldog [12:16] <nikkia> they sent me the wrong modem after all that [12:17] <nikkia> instead of the 50 POS binatone, the box has a 70 actiontec 802.11g/ethernet/usb modem [12:26] <wks12> halo room [12:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> hello [12:28] <Andra> hello [12:36] <ztonzy> hi [12:36] <ztonzy> hi nikkia , how is it ? [12:36] <ztonzy> awake ? :) [12:36] <nikkia> ztonzy: yes [12:36] <nikkia> just burning/printing some cds [12:37] <nikkia> clearing a few gigs off my drive is something i had scheduled for yesterday, but never got around to it :/ [12:37] <ztonzy> nikkia: aah...I replaced kubuntu with debian 2 days ago, and the kde feels way better now and konqueror doesn't slow down anymore with flash [12:37] <ztonzy> ah [12:37] <nikkia> *nod* [12:37] <nikkia> there is something wrong with the konqueror in kubuntu :/ [12:38] <ztonzy> also 3.4.1 here...had 1 konqueror crash :) [12:38] <ztonzy> only , so far [12:38] <ztonzy> nikkia: yes [12:38] <nikkia> i haven't had any with LFS, but i don't use konqueror much other than file browsing [12:38] <ztonzy> LFS ? [12:38] <ztonzy> well..it happens with or happened...with filebrowsing too [12:38] <nikkia> ztonzy: linux from scratch [12:39] <nikkia> ie, you start with a blank HDD, and the source .tar.gz/.tar.bz2 files .... [12:39] <ztonzy> ah yes...I think I read about it, got a site for it yesterday, didn't read it all yet [12:39] <ztonzy> sweet [12:39] <ztonzy> I wish my old system and its RAM modules wasn't crap...so I could test it [12:39] <nikkia> ztonzy: on kubuntu? yes, it certainly crashed browsing files, i'm just saying, i don't use konqueror enough for 'no crashes in a week' to be utterly impressive, but it is most certainly less crashy than kubuntu's konqueror :) [12:40] <ztonzy> nikkia: eh [12:40] <ztonzy> I also burned a Slax live cd...and ran it...seems nice, but it is Slackware based and that's over head - yet [12:41] <nikkia> if slackware is over your head, LFS most certainly will be :) [12:43] <ztonzy> nikkia: but if I had a secondary system working I could do trial/error with it there ;P [12:55] <nikkia> ztonzy: i didn't have a secondary system to install it, i just cheated [12:55] <nikkia> ztonzy: used vmware to get a base X-less system up and running, then tar'ed the filesystem and untarred it on my real system :) [01:02] <ztonzy> nikkia: nice...I have no experience with vmware however [01:28] <nikkia> Ooo [01:28] <nikkia> BMPx was released yesterday [01:30] <nikkia> oh, never mind 'there is currently no playback functionality' [01:55] <McScruff> im running vmware (winxp) in kubuntu and i want to use a usb device on it, but ubuntu has it, how can i stop it in ubuntu so i can use it in vmware [02:07] <author> hi all [02:08] <author> hi [02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi [02:13] <author> http://www.marcel.gamika.de/kubuntu_suse_theme_screen.png [02:13] <author> what did you think about? [02:17] <OculusAquilae> author: nice [02:17] <author> only to ubuntu ;) [02:17] <author> or better Kubuntu :D [02:18] <OculusAquilae> i like these suse decorations and with a kubuntu logo its even better :-) [02:19] <cool> how do i switch to another profile in FF? [02:20] <author> FF? whats that [02:21] <OculusAquilae> firefox? [02:21] <author> ah [02:22] <author> when cames the dialogue for swithing profiles on startup you can edit your profiles [02:23] <author> but you clicet on "never show on startup" [02:23] <author> thats right? [02:25] <wellso> hi every1 [02:25] <wellso> how do i go about making a program start when KDE loads up? [02:25] <paines> wellso, copy a link to /home/yourloginname/.kde/Autostart [02:26] <cool> auhtor: thats right [02:30] <author> mhm this was a eroor ;) [02:30] <author> error i mean [02:30] <author> mom i think i has the same problem for a month or later.. [02:30] <author> (sorry my english plz) [02:32] <cool> my problem solved:) [02:33] <author> oh thats great [02:34] <author> soryr but i was away [02:34] <author> :( [02:43] <teprrr> hmm, ther's no valknut for ubuntu? [02:46] <crimsun> not in Hoary, no. [02:46] <crimsun> There is in Breezy. [02:49] <teprrr> but breezy is broken atm, right [02:51] <teprrr> at least #ubuntu's topic says X is still broken there [02:58] <OculusAquilae> hm [02:59] <dargo> hi [02:59] <OculusAquilae> hi dargo [03:00] <simon_> Are there a command there works like "modconf"? "modconf: command not found" [03:00] <ICXCNIKA> I can't wait to download kubuntu when I get my DSL. [03:03] <OculusAquilae> ICXCNIKA: i think you can buy it in the shop: http://www.kubuntu.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30 [03:04] <ICXCNIKA> I thought it was free? [03:04] <ICXCNIKA> Like ubuntu [03:04] <OculusAquilae> for 0,99 [03:05] <ICXCNIKA> It will take forever to ship from Germany. I might as well download the iso and put it on a cd. [03:05] <OculusAquilae> i think there are shops selling kubuntu outside germany as well [03:06] <OculusAquilae> but they are perhaps more expensive [03:06] <ICXCNIKA> I have considered other distributions that have KDE. [03:06] <tga> hey [03:06] <OculusAquilae> hi tga [03:07] <OculusAquilae> ICXCNIKA: there are other good kde-distros too, but i think kubuntu is the best :-) [03:07] <ICXCNIKA> Well I am pretty new to Linux altogether. [03:07] <tga> what utf-8 Sans font are you guys using? FreeSans looks ugly after antialiasing [03:08] <tga> the default one looks alright but lacks a few characters I need [03:09] <OculusAquilae> tga: i use bitstream vera sans [03:11] <tga> it's not a proper utf-8 font, I get a bunch of squares instead of certain characters [03:11] <OculusAquilae> hm [03:11] <OculusAquilae> tga: right [03:12] <tga> FreeSans has all the right charactes but doesn't antialias quite right [03:12] <tga> characters rather [03:13] <OculusAquilae> hm [03:13] <tga> for gtk I use "Sans" but it doesn't show up in the kde font list [03:13] <OculusAquilae> tga: have you tried nimbus sans [03:14] <tga> hmm it seems alright [03:15] <tga> I think I'll stick with it for now [03:15] <tga> thanks [03:16] <OculusAquilae> np [03:16] <tga> hmm.. kopete doesn't respect the system font [03:17] <OculusAquilae> i would like to have firefox extensions support in konqueror, but that seems difficult for me :-) [03:18] <tga> any idea why Monospace has utf chars in the gtk font selector but not in the kde one? [03:19] <OculusAquilae> tga: you can download the "Plastikfox Crystal SVG"-FF-Style, which lets firefox look like a plastik app [03:20] <tga> nice [03:21] <tga> alright, thanks [03:21] <tga> cheers [04:10] <buz> hows breezy shaping up? ready for real work? [04:10] <apokryphos> buz: X still broken, apparently [04:11] <buz> i think i'll wait until a RC is here then [04:11] <buz> and pray the RC wont trash my kmenu like the hoary RC to final transitiion [04:11] <buz> did [04:18] <Riggzy> Hmm, I just ripped a VOB off a DVD yesterday, played abck fine, but now when I try to play it it just shows solid blue [04:19] <Riggzy> Any ideas? [04:20] <buz> did you do anything to it [04:20] <Riggzy> just rpped it with dvd::rip [04:20] <Riggzy> playing straight from the DVD works fine [04:20] <buz> mhh thats pretty weird [04:21] <buz> vobs should usually play just fine [04:21] <buz> what player [04:21] <Riggzy> all of em... MPlayer, Kaffiene, VLC... [04:22] <Riggzy> AH hold on [04:22] <Riggzy> VLC works (just tried it again) [04:22] <Riggzy> ...and then it magically stopped working [04:25] <Riggzy> Woah, this is strange... if I open the video twice, it works in the second player o.O [04:25] <buz> is there any way to open password protected pdfs in kpdf [04:27] <Will_> <-converted. Gnome is just not as nice as kde [04:35] <luminerd> Hello! I am having a problem on a fresh install of Kubuntu. It is with my PS/2 mouse. I checked the modules, and sure enough, PSMOUSE is loaded. I tryed cating and oding /dev/psaux...no reply. Someone here yesterday told me to download GPM, but someone elsewhere told me that GPM wouldn't help me since I'm not getting a reply anyway. Can someone help me out please? [04:39] <luminerd> I could start begging for help right now, but I don't suppose it would do what I'd want it to...which is display my sense of urgency. I have 25 PC's that were supposed to be running this morning, but I have to get them running ASAP. I know you guys do this for free and nobody requires you to do anything...but I would REALLY appreciate the help :) [04:40] <buz> mhh i doubt many in here are using ps2 mice [04:40] <buz> i know mine is usb [04:40] <buz> did you try an usb mouse [04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> luminerd: is it right in xorg.conf? [04:40] <apokryphos> buz: I'd bet more are using ps2 mice in here than anything else [04:40] <luminerd> Kamping_Kaiser, I'm not even sure...it is a fresh install... [04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> luminerd: better check :o [04:40] <buz> i havent seen ps2 mice in al ong time [04:41] <apokryphos> luminerd: do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [04:41] <luminerd> buz, well we got PS/2 mice with the new systems so I'd much prefer to use them. [04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> buz, you mean mice used as ps2, or actual ps2 mice? [04:41] <luminerd> apokryphos, sure [04:41] <luminerd> Kamping_Kaiser, umm, they are non-USB, ps/2 ported mice...not like a playstation two? [04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> luminerd: i don't know playstation - I'm an elietist non-console gamer ;) [04:42] <apokryphos> ps/2 mice is nothing to with Playstation :P [04:43] <luminerd> Kamping_Kaiser, lol, sorry... [04:43] <luminerd> apokryphos, yea, I am confused heh [04:43] <luminerd> apokryphos, alright I ran the sudo line you told me to run....it's asking me to select a desired X server driver. [04:43] <apokryphos> luminerd: this is to reconfigure your entire X; at one point, it will ask for the mouse stuff [04:44] <luminerd> By the way the mouse works on other machines [04:44] <luminerd> apokryphos, well I'm not sure what to select here [04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's the question luminerd? [04:45] <apokryphos> luminerd: do you have NVidia? ATI? [04:45] <luminerd> apokryphos, considering the graphics driver is nVidia [04:45] <luminerd> is it nv? [04:45] <apokryphos> luminerd: no, if you've *installed* the nvidia driver, go for "nvidia" [04:45] <apokryphos> below nv [04:45] <luminerd> apokryphos, it's not there [04:45] <luminerd> I didn't install anything, it's fresh [04:45] <apokryphos> You haven't installed it then. Follow these instructions... [04:45] <apokryphos> !nvidia [04:45] <ubotu> [nvidia] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto [04:46] <luminerd> should I install an nvidia driver? [04:46] <luminerd> oy [04:46] <luminerd> so I should control-C it and redo when I have the nVidia driver? [04:46] <apokryphos> Yup. Very simple; you can just fetch it from the repositories [04:46] <apokryphos> Yes [04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't bother [04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> just do the freeking reconfigure [04:47] <apokryphos> Ctrl-C may not do it, if not... just close. It shouldn't change anything; I believe it writes all the config settings later on [04:47] <luminerd> apokryphos, with command line only? [04:47] <antrix> !list [04:47] <ubotu> somebody said list was at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids [04:47] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: might as well get the nvidia stuff done [04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, tow options at the end [04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> just hack the file afterward [04:48] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, how do I close this? [04:48] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: hacking the file won't add monitor specific settings, which would be a pain by just editing xorg.conf. dpkg-reconfigure can restore these [04:48] <apokryphos> luminerd: just alt+f4 [04:48] <luminerd> oh wow lol [04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> i used dpkg then hacked the file to do what i want - moreor less [04:48] <luminerd> oh no... [04:48] <luminerd> that took me to tty4... [04:49] <luminerd> apokryphos, I'm not in X [04:49] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: sure, but that won't be ideal for everyone [04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh true :) [04:49] <apokryphos> luminerd: ohh, heh, you shoulda said. No worries; one sec. [04:49] <luminerd> sorry [04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> not ideal for me ;) [04:49] <luminerd> hehe [04:49] <apokryphos> luminerd: install nvidia-glx [04:50] <luminerd> apokryphos, eh? [04:50] <luminerd> apokryphos, how do I get out of this configure page first? [04:50] <apokryphos> luminerd: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx [04:50] <luminerd> well ok but... [04:50] <buz> huuuh [04:50] <apokryphos> luminerd: hm, you could just go to another session [04:50] <buz> apt-get update gets new kde packages?? [04:50] <luminerd> ohk, but will it add it to the list when I get it in realtime, or will I have to re-view the program for it to? [04:51] <apokryphos> luminerd: not sure what you're talking about... [04:51] <luminerd> apokryphos, lol nvm, I guess I'll find out [04:51] <apokryphos> buz: you mean upgrade? Yeah, bugfixes to the packages, most likely [04:51] <buz> yeah upgrade [04:51] <luminerd> apokryphos, it didn't add it to the list... [04:51] <buz> i'll just install it [04:51] <apokryphos> luminerd: wait, you have to do more [04:52] <luminerd> ah, ok [04:52] <apokryphos> luminerd: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable [04:52] <luminerd> apokryphos, error... [04:52] <apokryphos> You may have to exit, and relogin for it to detect the settings.. not sure. [04:52] <apokryphos> output? [04:52] <luminerd> apokryphos, DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process [04:53] <apokryphos> d'oh -- the other dpkg-recongigure is likely using it [04:53] <apokryphos> hm [04:53] <luminerd> lol [04:53] <luminerd> how do I close it? [04:53] <luminerd> I'm used to control-c, control-x, or control-z doing the trick...usually one works...but not this time lol [04:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: there's likely a lock file, but not so sure if we'd really wanna delete that now, as things are genuinely running [04:55] <luminerd> well I'll just reboot k? [04:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: for now it might be worth just using a generic driver, to seeing if your mouse stuff would really work [04:55] <apokryphos> (since that's the key issue here) [04:56] <buz> looks like i download the debs faster than they get uploaded [04:56] <luminerd> apokryphos, I think the video card's not working either... [04:56] <buz> run out of stuff to download twice already [04:56] <apokryphos> luminerd: your X doesn't work? [04:56] <luminerd> because the view of KDE looks 600x480 or so [04:56] <apokryphos> luminerd: that's fine -- that's easily fixable later. [04:56] <luminerd> ok [04:56] <luminerd> uh [04:56] <apokryphos> luminerd: so just use something like nv or vesa for now [04:56] <luminerd> well I got myself past a lot of screens in the X config screen trying to get out of it [04:56] <luminerd> heh [04:56] <apokryphos> and go through the rest of the steps [04:57] <luminerd> yea I already screwed it up though [04:57] <luminerd> this config definitely won't work [04:57] <apokryphos> how so? [04:57] <luminerd> in fact it won't even let me type anymore XD [04:58] <luminerd> well I accidentally hit enter a few times and ESC seemed to do something bad to it. [04:58] <luminerd> now I can't type in it [04:58] <luminerd> I'm just gonna reboot :-P [04:58] <apokryphos> :| [04:58] <apokryphos> ok [05:00] <luminerd> apokryphos, rebooting must be worth SOMETHING...after all, it's what the M$ support team has been getting millions to say all along..."Umm...I donno..reboot..that should fix it." [05:00] <luminerd> ok apokryphos [05:00] <luminerd> I'm rebooted. [05:00] <apokryphos> UNIX shouldn't ever have to though [05:00] <luminerd> yea lol I'm sure it was an easy fix but [05:00] <apokryphos> it's not quite the same at all, but here it's just a lazy option :P [05:00] <luminerd> the research would've taken longer [05:01] <luminerd> lol yea [05:01] <luminerd> anyway [05:01] <luminerd> what now? [05:01] <luminerd> run the enable command? [05:01] <apokryphos> luminerd: if you've installed nvidia-glx, yes [05:02] <luminerd> warning: your X config. has been succesfully changed. In order to take full advantage of the changes, X must be restarted. [05:02] <luminerd> that is what it said when I enabled it [05:02] <apokryphos> X isn't running, so that's fine. [05:02] <luminerd> actually it is [05:02] <luminerd> in tty7 [05:02] <luminerd> err, I guess it's not a tty [05:02] <luminerd> but alt-F7 puts me in a login manager [05:03] <apokryphos> Ok, restart that X [05:03] <luminerd> uhh...how? [05:03] <luminerd> with keys only that is [05:03] <apokryphos> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace [05:03] <luminerd> ah ok [05:03] <luminerd> cool [05:03] <luminerd> SWEET! [05:03] <apokryphos> luminerd: it should show Nvidia screen if it's successful [05:03] <luminerd> OK! Now it's working!!! [05:03] <luminerd> shweet! [05:03] <luminerd> that was AWESOME! [05:03] <apokryphos> the mouse? [05:03] <luminerd> no not the mouse [05:03] <apokryphos> hehe [05:04] <luminerd> but the screen is like 10x bigger [05:04] <luminerd> lol [05:04] <luminerd> I love high res [05:04] <luminerd> anyway [05:04] <apokryphos> Worth logging in now [05:04] <luminerd> back to the mouse thing...and I'll try to stop typing like I'm on AOL IMing...I hate it when other people do that XD [05:04] <luminerd> apokryphos, log in in a new tty or the X screen? [05:05] <apokryphos> Sure [05:05] <luminerd> btw, I was referancing the short statements I was making in succession...realized that could be unclear [05:05] <luminerd> apokryphos, which? [05:05] <apokryphos> luminerd: in X [05:05] <apokryphos> you'll have to restart it though anyway [05:05] <apokryphos> either is fine I guess [05:06] <luminerd> ok uh... [05:06] <luminerd> well what is my task? [05:06] <apokryphos> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now [05:06] <luminerd> ah, ok [05:06] <luminerd> I'll just do it in the tty that I did the nvidia enable in [05:06] <apokryphos> ok [05:06] <apokryphos> make sure you select "nvidia2 [05:07] <apokryphos> "nvidia" [05:07] <luminerd> yea [05:07] <luminerd> thanks [05:07] <luminerd> bus identifier? [05:07] <luminerd> should i use what's there? PCI:1:0:0 [05:07] <Almindor> firefox extensions don't work with the prepackaged version [05:08] <Almindor> I mean 1.0.6 [05:08] <luminerd> err... [05:08] <Almindor> they install, but don't do anything ;( [05:08] <luminerd> oh [05:08] <luminerd> lol [05:08] <Almindor> I tried manual new version, that one works [05:08] <luminerd> I thought Almindor was apokryphos for a moment :P [05:08] <apokryphos> luminerd: hm, not quite sure. I believe I have PCI:3:0:0 [05:08] <Almindor> also, why is the prepackaged version to KDEubuntu a GNOME version? [05:08] <luminerd> apokryphos, well uh...the thing that's there right now looks to be working aight..so should I just leave it? [05:09] <buz> Almindor: it isnt [05:09] <Almindor> buz, it is [05:09] <buz> kubuntu comes natively with kde [05:09] <apokryphos> luminerd: ok [05:09] <Almindor> if you install firefox manualy, you get nice KDE window on "save as" [05:09] <Almindor> if you do pacakges, you get an ugly gnomeish window [05:09] <buz> well firefox QT doesnt really exist these days [05:09] <luminerd> apokryphos, now it wants the amount of memory in kb to be used by the vid card? [05:10] <Almindor> buz, how come the version from mozilla works ok? [05:10] <buz> there supposedly is a port in the works but it nobody could get it to work so far [05:10] <apokryphos> I just press "No" on that, I think. Or leave it out [05:10] <buz> works like what [05:10] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok thanks [05:10] <luminerd> apokryphos, use kernel framebuffer device interface? [05:10] <Almindor> buz, works like QT [05:10] <apokryphos> luminerd: use the default [05:10] <Almindor> buz, also extentions [05:10] <buz> mhh didnt look like qt at all for me [05:10] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok [05:11] <luminerd> keyboard layout...us? [05:11] <luminerd> oh yea [05:11] <buz> firefox is gtk app [05:11] <luminerd> it says it [05:11] <luminerd> lol [05:11] <luminerd> and I'm back to the aol chat...I've got to quit that. [05:11] <Almindor> buz, I'll make screenshots for you [05:11] <buz> yeah [05:11] <luminerd> apokryphos, what's my keyboard model? [05:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: ! [05:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: hey! :) [05:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: bulldog messed up, again [05:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: :| [05:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: instead of the 50 binatone POS they were supposed to send.... [05:12] <apokryphos> oh no.. [05:12] <nikkia> they sent a Actiontec 802.11g/ethernet/usb modem [05:12] <luminerd> apokryphos, well it's asking for 101key, or pc101...I have a standard windoze keyboard...would that be pc104? [05:12] <nikkia> that appears to be actually a cunningly disguised linux/bsd box [05:13] <buz> pc104 or 105 [05:13] <apokryphos> hahaha [05:13] <buz> well good for you [05:13] <buz> i only ever get shittier hardware than i should [05:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: [05:14] <luminerd> apokryphos, it says users of US english keyboards should generally enter pc104, and buz said it (thanks :)) so I'll go with it [05:14] <luminerd> should work anyway [05:14] <nikkia> Connected to 192.168.1.254. [05:14] <nikkia> BusyBox on dslmodem login: admin [05:14] <nikkia> Password: [05:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: epicrouter! [05:14] <buz> cool [05:14] <buz> my wrt54 runs busybox too [05:15] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, now the important part [05:15] <luminerd> apokryphos, attempt mouse device autodetection? [05:15] <apokryphos> sure [05:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: now, the next trick is, can i get it to act as my IPv6 tunnel ? [05:15] <Almindor> buz, http://members.chello.sk/ales/ff-gtk.jpg [05:15] <luminerd> apokryphos, oh crap...it got it? [05:15] <luminerd> I hope it works [05:15] <Almindor> buz, http://members.chello.sk/ales/ff-qt.jpg [05:15] <Almindor> buz, the -qt one is from mozilla page, manual install, the ugly GTK one is from packages [05:16] <buz> that is very weird [05:16] <buz> the one from mozilla used gtk for me as well [05:16] <Almindor> buz, and no firefox isn't qt [05:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: so they sent you the router instead? Worth more, surely? [05:16] <buz> maybe you have gtk-qt active for one of them? [05:16] <Almindor> buz, firefox uses javaskript for GUI IIRC [05:16] <Almindor> script :D [05:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: the binatone is a 'router' [05:16] <buz> yeah but below that, it currently uses GTK to draw stuff [05:16] <Almindor> buz, depends on what libs it has [05:17] <luminerd> apokryphos, now it wants me to choose my mouse port...would that be /dev/input/mice? [05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: both are 1 port, but this has wireless built in, whereas the binatone is ether/usb only [05:17] <Almindor> buz, "active" ? [05:17] <buz> well on win it uses win api, on osx aqua [05:17] <apokryphos> luminerd: generally, yes. [05:17] <luminerd> I think it's psaux but doesn't mice refer to any of them or something? [05:17] <luminerd> I donno [05:17] <buz> as in installed [05:17] <buz> tho gtk qt sometimes works for me, sometimes not, yet is installed all the time [05:17] <luminerd> /dev/input/mice is the default, and it wasn't working before.... [05:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: so a mistake in your benefit, we hope :P [05:17] <buz> pretty weird piece of code in any case [05:17] <luminerd> so uh, what would you think? [05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: its really funny too [05:17] <Almindor> buz, I hate gtk itself installed [05:17] <apokryphos> luminerd: try it, if it doesn't work, just reconfigure [05:17] <luminerd> k [05:17] <Almindor> buz, I'll check for gtk-qt [05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: they obviously opened the box to put the *single* filter in with the modem [05:17] <buz> well you'll bloody have to to use firefox in any case [05:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh, how many were there? [05:18] <buz> gtk-qt is just some small layer, gtk is still needed [05:18] <luminerd> emulate 3-button mouse...I thought that was for laptops? [05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: so, why on earth they have my invoiced for a binatone, when the box clearly contains a actiontec [05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: *1* [05:18] <Almindor> buz, question is if I want to use the packaged one or the manual one [05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: i already have 3 tho, that i bought on monday [05:18] <apokryphos> Phew, cool. [05:18] <luminerd> apokryphos, should I say no? [05:18] <buz> i regularly use both [05:18] <buz> which ever is current ;) [05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: i knew it was going to be an issue, because... [05:18] <nikkia> i have 2 phones + sky + modem hooked up [05:18] <luminerd> apokryphos, yes was default but I see no need since I *have* a middle mouse. [05:18] <apokryphos> luminerd: up to you :) [05:18] <luminerd> lol ok [05:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: and i knew that 1 or 2 filters wouldn't be enough to cover the 10m extension to the second phone [05:19] <nikkia> cos all the filters sold in the UK are RJ11/BT split [05:19] <nikkia> (US filters are inline RJ11<>RJ11) [05:20] <luminerd> apokryphos, enable scroll events from mouse wheel? [05:21] <luminerd> I assume that's a yes but I don't fully understand it and don't want to fsck my system. lol [05:21] <nikkia> yep, definitely a linux box [05:21] <nikkia> MIPS R4000E by the looks of it [05:21] <apokryphos> luminerd: it's asking to use a mouse scroll... [05:21] <luminerd> apokryphos, uh..what is one? lol [05:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: 2.4.17 :) [05:22] <apokryphos> hehe [05:22] <apokryphos> luminerd: a thing normally in the middle of two mouse buttons that lets you scroll up and down [05:22] <luminerd> apokryphos, yea..ok I'm lost..I'll just enable it since that's default [05:23] <apokryphos> Kind of useless if you don't have the scroll on your mouse.. [05:23] <luminerd> apokryphos, I do have one [05:23] <luminerd> but ok [05:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: you read the latest TUX issue? [05:23] <luminerd> anyway [05:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: nope [05:24] <luminerd> apokryphos, what modules should I enable? All the defaults? GLcore isn't checked, nor is v4l, do I not need these? the others are all checked [05:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: some interesting stuff. There's a guy talking about the distro reviews. Funny since in one sentence he dismisses Gentoo and Slackware as distros anyone should use. [05:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: dismisses Ubuntu since it didn't have the latest version of firefox on some particular day [05:24] <apokryphos> luminerd: just skip and go on [05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmm [05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: i sort of understand his point, in a way [05:25] <apokryphos> you can't take one package as being reflective of an entire repository [05:25] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, write default files section to configuration file? [05:26] <luminerd> says in most cases it should be enabled...am I a 'most' case? [05:26] <apokryphos> yes [05:26] <luminerd> k [05:26] <luminerd> apokryphos, DRI? [05:26] <apokryphos> luminerd: ? [05:27] <luminerd> apokryphos, write default DRI section to config file? again says should be enabled lol [05:27] <apokryphos> yes [05:27] <luminerd> should I just go with all the defaults? [05:27] <apokryphos> generally, yes. [05:27] <luminerd> now it wants an identifier for my monitor...default again? [05:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: http://www.actiontec.com/support/wireless/gwap.html <- thats the modem [05:28] <apokryphos> luminerd: well, do you want it to make specific alterations for your exact monitor model [05:29] <luminerd> apokryphos, eh? [05:29] <luminerd> not a clue man, I'll go with the default [05:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh. Looks a lot like my old one [05:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: the next trick is working out htf to cross compile apps for it :) [05:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: in particular, my IPv6 tunnel :) [05:29] <buz> mhh you could look for linksys wrt54 howtos [05:29] <buz> i think it uses mips core as well [05:29] <nikkia> buz, is it likely to be identical hardware tho ? [05:30] <buz> could be [05:30] <luminerd> apokryphos, are the default video modes good too? [05:30] <buz> you know what wireless yours has? [05:30] <buz> however, the linksys is only router, not modem [05:30] <nikkia> buz, i was thinking if i pulled all of /lib off it, and built gcc 2.95 for the right target, it should be enough [05:30] <nikkia> ah, but i'd be missing /usr/include, gah [05:31] <nikkia> buz, i'm guessing TI [05:31] <nikkia> buz, given: [05:31] <nikkia> tiwlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:B3:88:83:67 [05:31] <nikkia> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 [05:31] <buz> mhh mine is broadcom i think [05:32] <apokryphos> luminerd: all issues that should be handled generally later. We wanna get your mouse sorted, essentially [05:32] <luminerd> ok [05:33] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, I'm through it a [05:33] <buz> ubuntu really could do with a good X configure tool [05:33] <luminerd> *all...should I restart X and hope my mouse works? [05:33] <apokryphos> Basically, yeah. [05:34] <luminerd> apokryphos, negative [05:34] <nikkia> heh, cool [05:34] <apokryphos> luminerd: you restarted your X? [05:34] <luminerd> apokryphos, yea [05:34] <nikkia> its firewall is, surprise surprise, iptables [05:35] <apokryphos> luminerd: ok, then try altering the mouse configurations and/or trying in #ubuntu -- more likely to have luck in there with such issues, as they're not kubuntu-specific [05:35] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok, but every time I ask in there they ignore me :/ [05:42] <Almindor> buz, I've asked a bit on #firefox and it seems I am right [05:42] <luminerd> apokryphos, :( thanks for the help, even though it didn't turn out workin [05:42] <buz> weird [05:42] <buz> i never got to see qt menus [05:42] <Almindor> buz, it depends on who and how the configure script is done [05:42] <Almindor> buz, so the packagers of UBUNTU used -gtk [05:43] <Almindor> buz, I guess kubuntu needs a separate package [05:45] <buz> iirc, hussamn tried with qt and it failed [05:45] <Almindor> I think the one for "linux" from mozilla must have both [05:45] <Almindor> and it decides runtime [05:46] <Almindor> should be possible with dynamic loading [05:46] <buz> could be [05:46] <buz> but according to what [05:46] <Almindor> I guess QT is sort of "higher" I dunno [05:47] <Almindor> so it goes down the list like "try qt" then if fail "try gtk2" [05:47] <Almindor> might be the installer does that part [05:48] <Almindor> I always wondered why linux version was 2x size of win32 version of firefox :) [05:49] <slicslak> can a group be added to a group in /etc/group or just users? [05:50] <Almindor> buz, a different topic now: how do I tell konqueror to open packed files(zip etc) in itself?(not in ark) [05:59] <luminerd> this sucks :( [06:22] <buz> *droool* i want an athlonx2 3800+ [06:22] <buz> 350$ is still way too much though [06:23] <apokryphos> buz: x2? Haven't heard of it. All about AMD64s now, though :P [06:23] <buz> that's dual core amd64 for you ;) [06:23] <buz> times two you know ;) [06:24] <apokryphos> buz: oh, dual processor? [06:24] <buz> dual core [06:24] <buz> stick one on your mainboard, get instant smp [06:24] <buz> i wonder if they make any 1u socket939 rack barebones [06:25] <buz> that would be killer solution for racks [06:25] <apokryphos> Oh, I see it what it is. Basically dual processor [06:25] <apokryphos> sounds very cool [06:25] <apokryphos> still hoping to go all-out for my University computer ;-) [06:26] <buz> better get a turion64 notebook then [06:26] <apokryphos> ergh, no laptops for me. 8) [06:26] <buz> well depends on the uni,r eally [06:26] <eazel7> hi ppl [06:27] <eazel7> isn't there kde342 available for amd64? [06:27] <apokryphos> Desktop computer for the same price will just be so much more superior [06:27] <eazel7> 'cause I'm compiling it now, but I'd rather to get binary packages [06:27] <apokryphos> and a PALM seems to solve all arguments about "taking notes in lectures" [06:27] <apokryphos> (for me, at least) [06:28] <buz> taking notes on a palm? ye gods [06:28] <buz> must not be very hard lectures then [06:28] <apokryphos> eazel7: yes, they're there. [06:28] <apokryphos> buz: ? [06:29] <buz> pdas plain suck for taking notes [06:29] <buz> they're much too smal [06:29] <apokryphos> buz: it has a real full-size keyboard [06:29] <buz> wtf [06:29] <apokryphos> oh, not the pal tops [06:29] <apokryphos> one sec [06:29] <nikkia> grrr [06:29] <apokryphos> buz: a bit like http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2004-09-17/bitdepth.html [06:30] <apokryphos> buz: a cheaper one though ;-). You can get them for around 20 pounds as I recall [06:30] <buz> aaah [06:30] <buz> still to small a screen [06:30] <wellso> that looks well slick [06:30] <apokryphos> buz: small screen wouldn't bother me. I don't plan on looking at it [06:30] <buz> i was wondering about one of those touch sensitive writing things [06:30] <nikkia> buz, they're ok, i had one, but i bought one too big [06:31] <nikkia> if i was buying one now, i'd go for a mid size one, small ones are useless, too big is hard to use, so you want one ideally in the 8x6 sort of size [06:31] <nikkia> a big one might be more useful if you mount it permanently tho [06:31] <buz> i dont want a drawing tablet [06:31] <buz> i want one to take to uni with me [06:32] <buz> they retail for like 100EUR now [06:32] <nikkia> oh, you mean a 'tablet computer' [06:32] <buz> no not tablet computer [06:32] <eazel7> apokryphos where is 'there'? [06:32] <nikkia> PDA ? [06:32] <eazel7> apokryphos: 'cause the repository is empty [06:32] <buz> it's more like small tablet to put your paper on [06:32] <nikkia> buz, oh, those things [06:32] <buz> at the same time, it's also touch sensitive and saves what you write [06:32] <nikkia> buz, i'd rather have a decent PDA [06:32] <buz> i had one [06:32] <buz> they suck for uni [06:32] <buz> screens too small [06:33] <buz> and tablet pc only run with XP [06:33] <apokryphos> eazel7: http://ubuntu.packages.com/kdebase [06:34] <eazel7> apokryphos: I'm looking for the hoary-upadtes [06:34] <apokryphos> eazel7: heh, oh wait, momentary confusion. Do you have the latest repository? If it's not there then it's not out yet, no. [06:35] <eazel7> apokryphos: I'm using the kubuntu.org repository [06:35] <apokryphos> eazel7: there's several. Which one? [06:35] <apokryphos> !kde342 [06:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [06:38] <_droid_> any tried upgrading to kde342 with the packages just given [06:38] <_droid_> ? [06:39] <eazel7> yup [06:39] <apokryphos> _droid_: tried earlier; apparently problems with kpilot package [06:39] <eazel7> the Packages.gz isn't there, and no amd64 debs in the pool [06:41] <_droid_> I was about to try it [06:41] <_droid_> thanks [06:41] <_droid_> anyother problems? [06:45] <eazel7> no, I've found that the build dependences of libartsc0 are further than the version in the kubuntu sources repository, so I'm getting the breezy one [06:45] <eazel7> but I don't want to use packages from breezy [06:45] <eazel7> as less as possible, no X-related breezy packages are wanted here ;)= [06:48] <_droid_> well I have fired up my test box and am in the process of running a upgrade [06:48] <eazel7> I've just compiled all qt3 and it was useless ... [06:51] <eazel7> ok, gonna use the breezy's kde [06:52] <Fraeon> I was talking about breezy badger with my family and they thought I was talking about something obscene :o [06:52] <mart> eazel7: you're gonna have fun mixing up c++ packages :) [06:53] <_droid_> he is going to a have a royal "stew" [06:53] <mart> :) [06:57] <eazel7> mart perhaps, maybe [06:57] <eazel7> mart but I've done that before [06:57] <eazel7> mart I can do it again ;) [06:58] <mart> eazel7: see, if I said that, it would be a case of "famous last words"... [06:59] <eazel7> eazel7 hehehe [07:00] <eazel7> eazel7 I've been judging with the divine's finger which packages will be in my install, excluding all breezy's X libraries, not easy! [07:00] <mart> eazel7: but not figured out how to stop your name appearing twice in IRC? :) [07:01] <eazel7> yes, stop pressing tab would be a nice way [07:01] <eazel7> bitchx's a bitch with me [07:02] <mart> wow, but your name isn't "I'm too lame to read bitchx.doc" so you must be doing something right [07:09] <eazel7> hahaha [07:10] <eazel7> I'm too lame to spend time in bitchx [07:15] <jjesse> why not use konverstation instead of bitchx it seems a whole lot easier :) [07:16] <eazel7> jjesse why not to try getting the kde 3.4.2 working under amd64 [07:16] <eazel7> some packages are in breezy, others in the kubuntu mirror sources... [07:17] <eazel7> and I want to use the hoary... well, damn... [07:17] <jjesse> ls [07:17] <jjesse> doh sorr ybout that [07:17] <eazel7> it's ok [07:20] <_droid_> just upgrades to the new kde and everything seem fine [07:21] <_droid_> the problem I had with kmail connections problems with an IMAP server - breaking from time to time seems to be gone [07:25] <eazel7> I don't get it, why breezy is so messy? how did it get there? [07:27] <jpatrick> it's in testing [07:27] <eazel7> yes, it's evident... [07:29] <supernix> Hi [07:29] <jpatrick> hi [07:29] <supernix> does anyone know how to make the Windows key on the keyboard popup the start menu like in windows ? [07:30] <supernix> wassup jpatrick [07:30] <insanekane> supernix: i guess you should use KHtoKeys for that :) [07:30] <insanekane> KHotKeys [07:35] <apokryphos> I don't think it's possible actually. Since 3.4 the Win Key functions only to be used in a keycombo, i.e. like Ctrl/Alt [07:35] <apokryphos> might be though [07:35] <insanekane> oho [07:37] <supernix> crap I was messing with KHotKeys and poof the control center died [07:37] <supernix> exited signal 11 [07:37] <insanekane> hmm [07:57] <Neo_X_Saibot> hello, what is the repositories url ? [07:57] <jpatrick> there are loads [07:58] <Neo_X_Saibot> where ? [07:58] <jpatrick> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories [07:58] <Neo_X_Saibot> thanks [08:06] <fromoze> Neo_X_Saibot: puede que prefieras la versin de kudos.. [08:06] <fromoze> wrong channel xD [08:07] <Neo_X_Saibot> kudos ? [08:07] <Neo_X_Saibot> explicame por que ando nuevo en kubuntu [08:07] <jpatrick> -> #kubuntu-es [08:07] <Neo_X_Saibot> okei [08:25] <blueyed> What about the recent update from kubuntu.org? (deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main) [08:25] <blueyed> Security issues? [08:25] <blueyed> Recent: today. [08:27] <mart> blueyed: I didn't hear about anything [08:28] <blueyed> Then apt-get update, mart :) [08:28] <mart> blueyed: no, I didn't hear about any security issues [08:28] <mart> blueyed: besides, aptitude is better :P [08:30] <mart> blueyed: I use it on the command line mostly. does synaptic distinguish between automatically installed packages and manually installed packages? [08:31] <blueyed> mart: I'm not sure, but probably. [08:31] <blueyed> if you mean manually == 'dpkg -i' [08:31] <mart> blueyed: no [08:31] <apokryphos> mart: is it really that useful? [08:32] <apokryphos> I can't recall of a single time I've ever wanted to find that out [08:32] <mart> blueyed: I mean remembering which packages it installed to satisfy dependencies, and which were explicitly asked for. that way, when you remove something you installed, it will also remove the things that it depends on, if they're not used by something else [08:33] <blueyed> nice, mart, indeed. But Synaptic doesn't do that. [08:33] <mart> blueyed: very useful, saves having to run deborphan every so often [08:34] <apokryphos> Hardly seems like an argument to stop using synaptic though. Just a reason on why to remove packages when you want to remove the things it brought in too [08:35] <eduardo> hola [08:35] <mart> apokryphos: no, I didn't say not to use synaptic. just that I can't be bothered to do that manually [08:35] <eduardo> alguien sabe por que kubuntu no se me ha instalado en castellano [08:35] <apokryphos> eduardo: #kubuntu-es [08:35] <eduardo> thx [08:36] <blueyed> did not know deborphan before.. [08:36] <blueyed> Thanks for the hint. [08:36] <mart> er, is that safe? [08:36] <blueyed> maybe.. *g I've done it without the piping before. [08:36] <mart> or is it conservative? [08:37] <mart> blueyed: see also debfoster [08:40] <blueyed> nice, mart. Thanks again. [08:41] <mart> np [09:22] <Sputn1k> After nvidia driver install everything works find, but when after install i make pc restart, x's don't work [09:23] <rob_> can anyone tell me how to get a 'Home' icon on my desktop? [09:23] <rob_> I think it used to be under the Behaviour->General tab in the desktop options [09:25] <OculusAquilae> Sputn1k: have you installed it with the drivers from nvidia or from the prepackaged .debs? [09:26] <Sputn1k> OculusAquilae, nop from .run [09:26] <OculusAquilae> because i've the same problem, when i take the nvidia-packages from nvidia [09:27] <Sputn1k> hmm with 2.6.10 kernel+nvidia .deb packages [09:27] <Sputn1k> everything find [09:27] <Sputn1k> but with 2.6.12 [09:27] <OculusAquilae> the ubuntu packages nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev and nvidia-settings work [09:27] <Sputn1k> nvidia deb dont work [09:27] <OculusAquilae> ah [09:27] <OculusAquilae> you have 2.6.12 [09:27] <Sputn1k> yes [09:27] <OculusAquilae> from breezy or from the hoary debs? [09:28] <Sputn1k> i compiled kernel manualy [09:28] <OculusAquilae> hm [09:29] <Sputn1k> i trying to fix this problem all day [09:29] <OculusAquilae> i've the original hoary kernel and the nvidia .run doesn't work [09:29] <Sputn1k> :/ [09:29] <Sputn1k> but orginal horay is only 2.6.10-5 [09:29] <Sputn1k> i think too old [09:29] <OculusAquilae> :-) [09:30] <OculusAquilae> very bad problem :-) [09:31] <Sputn1k> yeah /: [09:37] <OculusAquilae> Sputn1k: i'll try it again to install this driver [09:37] <Sputn1k> i think i found an answer: [09:37] <Sputn1k> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia [09:39] <OculusAquilae> i'll try that [10:04] <wellso> hi ppl [10:05] <wellso> simple question for someone, how do I get KDE to load a certain app. on start-up? [10:06] <|rockinnerd|> hey all [10:06] <pax> wellso: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#otostart [10:07] <Neo_X_Saibot> what is the apt-get command for upgrade kde, and upgrade the kernel ? [10:07] <|rockinnerd|> Neo_X_Saibot, /topic [10:07] <|rockinnerd|> then apt-get update [10:07] <|rockinnerd|> then apt-get install kde [10:08] <jpatrick> to upgrade KDE go here: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php [10:08] <Neo_X_Saibot> thanks. and the kernel ? [10:08] <jpatrick> you have to compile it [10:08] <jpatrick> type 'sudo apt-get install linux-tree' to get the lastest one from Ubuntu.org [10:09] <|rockinnerd|> then cd /usr/src ; ls [10:09] <|rockinnerd|> then tar -xjvf tarballforkernel.tar.bz2 [10:09] <jpatrick> what? [10:10] <|rockinnerd|> fprdm [10:10] <jpatrick> 'sudo apt-get install linux-tree' does it itself i think [10:10] <|rockinnerd|> oh. [10:10] <pax> jpatrick: I got kxdocker to work, resources hog, but looks nice http://ninux.net/files/foo.png [10:10] <jpatrick> I got it to work [10:11] <|rockinnerd|> yes [10:11] <jpatrick> just kept crashing [10:11] <|rockinnerd|> DANGER WILL ROBINSON! [10:11] <jpatrick> I have the same icon and theme :D [10:12] <pax> no crashes here but it's using 6% of my precious ram!! [10:12] <|rockinnerd|> Macs are second to linux in my books [10:12] <|rockinnerd|> but macs kick ass [10:12] <|rockinnerd|> tho [10:12] <|rockinnerd|> wb all [10:13] <jpatrick> macs suck according to my frined [10:13] <wellso> thanks pax [10:13] <pax> np [10:13] <|rockinnerd|> jpatrick, i'm plannin on buying 1 in the near future, why do they suk? [10:14] <jpatrick> He said his school is throwing out the ones they brought they're so bad [10:14] <pax> mac suck because I can't afford it :( [10:14] <|rockinnerd|> the prob with macOS is it has to run each command 3 times, iirc [10:15] <pax> throwing macs? jpatrick where, can he get one for me? hehe [10:15] <|rockinnerd|> i'd buy a mac from TerraSoft so i can get YDL on it, but it doesn't support apple's bluetooth or airport [10:15] <|rockinnerd|> what kind of mac, [10:15] <|rockinnerd|> (mini, imac, emac, powermac, ibook, powerbook)? [10:15] <pax> ibook :D [10:16] <buz> ibooks are crappy quality [10:16] <buz> my GFs makes weird noises after only half a year [10:17] <buz> tho for the price, it's probably to be expected [10:17] <buz> oh and kubuntu cant use airport express [10:17] <TestMAD> my girlfriends makes wierd noises when she's really happy... [10:17] <mart> *sigh* [10:17] <buz> dude, her ibook [10:17] <pax> hehe [10:17] <TestMAD> heheh [10:18] <TestMAD> just ahving fun buz [10:18] <Choubaka> iBooks make magnificent machines for schoolwork. :) [10:18] <|rockinnerd|> go to the apple main page now, and look @ their new mouse's marketing schtik [10:18] <|rockinnerd|> and pr0n [10:18] <|rockinnerd|> lol [10:18] <Choubaka> I think you need a powerbook for that. [10:18] <buz> pr0n? screen's to bad for good pron [10:18] <Choubaka> more HD space [10:19] <Choubaka> and you need power to be able to render all the XXX pages. [10:19] <mart> ... this seems to be a theme in #kubuntu lately... [10:19] <Choubaka> Hah [10:19] <TestMAD> what seems to be the theme? [10:20] <mart> porn [10:20] <TestMAD> ohh..hehe. [10:20] <wellso> would be nice [10:20] <pax> |rockinnerd|: can you not remind me please :( [10:21] <|rockinnerd|> tht's not too bad 4 a notebook with 1 gig of ram tho [10:21] <TestMAD> like some one in here said not too long ago.. sudo apt-get install porn [10:21] <TestMAD> hehe [10:21] <buz> mhh a pr0n edition of kubuntu would rock :=) [10:21] <|rockinnerd|> buz: there's GNU/Lesbian Linux [10:21] <pax> lebian linux [10:21] <buz> i know [10:21] <buz> but i'm not so much into lesbian [10:21] <|rockinnerd|> porn-get [10:21] <TestMAD> hehe [10:21] <buz> seems like a waste to me [10:22] <pax> naw, it's *art* [10:22] <pax> I hope we have no kids in the channel [10:22] <wellso> my minds been corrupted forever [10:23] <buz> if they are on irc, i take it they've seen pretty much everything, really [10:23] <pax> fsck /dev/mind [10:23] <buz> i know i had seen a lot when i was 15 ;) [10:23] <wellso> buz: lol, too right m8 [10:23] <|rockinnerd|> chris@cataclysmicearthquake:~$ cd / ; touch my_ass [10:23] <|rockinnerd|> touch: cannot touch `my_ass': Permission denied [10:23] <|rockinnerd|> chris@cataclysmicearthquake:/$ [10:23] <TestMAD> hehe [10:23] <buz> these days not even tubgirl scares me anymore [10:24] <buz> must have gotten imune [10:24] <buz> which is good, as a friend of mine keeps sending me that sort of links [10:24] <TestMAD> back before tubgirl got her site..it was a shock to see. [10:24] <TestMAD> but now its like..ehh...whatevewr makes you happy [10:24] <Choubaka> There's always something worse. [10:25] <TestMAD> like www.ratemypoo.com [10:25] <TestMAD> thats kinda sick and funny [10:25] <TestMAD> all in one [10:25] <|rockinnerd|> no soliciting [10:25] <|rockinnerd|> lol [10:25] <TestMAD> im not soliciting.. [10:25] <wellso> Choubaka: yeah, you think it reached its peak of sickness, but its only just started [10:25] <TestMAD> im just saying..its sick cus of the content..but funny cus ppl actually post to it [10:25] <pax> TestMAD: easy man, want me to click on that stuff?! you know I can't resist [10:26] <TestMAD> hehe [10:26] <|rockinnerd|> i wish f4l would be done! [10:26] <TestMAD> a friend of mine, after seeing the poo site, was gonna start one for ladies called ratemypad. [10:26] <TestMAD> and that was just a gross idea [10:26] <wellso> lol [10:27] <TestMAD> needless to say..i dont talk to him much anymore [10:27] <pax> your friend is brain damaged! [10:27] <TestMAD> yea [10:27] <wellso> i bet he's makin a fortune of google adwords lol [10:27] <TestMAD> i coulda told you that [10:27] <TestMAD> he never made it..it was just an idea hea had [10:28] <Choubaka> He's a freak. [10:28] <gdh> The canonical one of those 'rate' sites is ... www.amibiosornot.com [10:28] <Choubaka> Tell him that, and he'll take it as a compliment. [10:28] <wellso> lol bizzarre tangent i agree [10:28] <buz> seems fun to me [10:28] <TestMAD> heh [10:29] <wellso> gdh: what am I rating these motherboards for? [10:29] <buz> as it says, amibios or not ;) [10:30] <gdh> wellso: The joke is in the URL ... it's a parody of 'www.amihotornot.com' [10:30] <slicslak> can i upgrade an app while i'm running it? [10:30] <gdh> (now defunct) [10:30] <wellso> lol i was clicking away happily [10:30] <buz> that site gets my "stupidest site of the day" award [10:30] <gdh> little amuses the simple :) [10:30] <pax> this is how your ubuntu should look like guys :P http://ninux.net/files/foo.png [10:30] <|rockinnerd|> slicslak, no [10:30] <pax> kubuntu* [10:30] <gdh> slicslak: Yes, you won't see the new version until you restartit, of course. [10:31] <slicslak> but i won't experience any problems in the mean time [10:31] <buz> ye gods, i hate baghira [10:31] <Choubaka> pax: That's just a bad OS X lookalike :( [10:31] <pax> :( [10:31] <wellso> is that ur actual system pax? [10:31] <pax> wellso: yes [10:31] <buz> i cant stand the metal look [10:31] <Choubaka> OK, it's not exactly bad. [10:31] <slicslak> i know gentoo you can upgrade apps all you want with no damage, i'm just wondering if apt-get is the same [10:31] <buz> what is it with the thing [10:31] <wellso> how did you get that MacOs style malarky downt he bottom [10:31] <|rockinnerd|> slicslak, yes it's the same thing [10:32] <slicslak> |rockinnerd|, thx [10:32] <pax> wellso: kxdocker [10:32] <wellso> yeah, apt-get rocks [10:32] <|rockinnerd|> Wellso, it's an app; look @ kde-look.org [10:32] <malte> does mplayer from ftp://ftp.nerim.net work for you guys? [10:32] <|rockinnerd|> there's other 1s i think [10:32] <gdh> malte: mplayer is in multiverse is it not? [10:32] <buz> malte: it's linked against newer libs as in kubuntu so no [10:32] <buz> but the multiverse one does [10:32] <pax> !find mplayer [10:32] <buz> its not as current [10:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'mplayer' (11 shown): mozilla-mplayer ;; mplayer-386 ;; mplayer-586 ;; mplayer-686 ;; mplayer-custom ;; mplayer-doc ;; mplayer-fonts ;; mplayer-k6 ;; mplayer-k7 ;; mplayer-nogui ;; xmms-xmmplayer. [10:32] <|rockinnerd|> what brand of nb should i get if i can't get a mac? [10:33] <slicslak> |rockinnerd|, i'm running an inspiron 9300, everything works nicely. dell even gave me a nice discount by taking all the software (cept windows) off. [10:33] <gdh> |rockinnerd|: IBM ThinkPad :) [10:33] <wellso> my boss has a 9300 [10:33] <|rockinnerd|> slicslak, how? [10:33] <slicslak> i just asked [10:33] <wellso> nice laptops [10:33] <malte> buz: ok, thanks [10:33] <slicslak> and the dell lady said, ok. here you go. it's w/ dell small biz though, i'm not sure if their general consumer dept will do the same [10:33] <gdh> and IBM are at least Linux-friendly, rather than a pack of useless RHEL resellers (Dell) [10:33] <|rockinnerd|> slicslak, oh. [10:34] <buz> debian works perfectly on those thinkpads [10:34] <wellso> did you get all the internal hardware workin on the dell? [10:34] <buz> theres even a customized debian for thinkpads somewhere at ee.ethz.ch [10:34] <slicslak> wellso, very nice laptop. unforutnetly the battery doesn't last long w/ the 17" screen.... :-) [10:34] <|rockinnerd|> cyberpowerinc.com will let you get a nb with no OS installed [10:35] <|rockinnerd|> ThinkPad notebooks, ThinkCentre desktops and other PC products are now products of Lenovo. [10:35] <|rockinnerd|> wtf? [10:35] <wellso> slicslak: yeah, very true. I liked it, although TBH I don't trust Dell [10:35] <mart> maybe an HP with kubuntu? [10:35] <slicslak> wellso, oh? howcome? [10:35] <jpatrick> Dell means bit** in Dutch [10:35] <gdh> Dell are great as long as you don't ever have to contact them afterwards =) [10:36] <buz> I always thought they missed the first letter. it was certainly meant to be a H [10:36] <gdh> esp. so if you didn't buy through business. [10:36] <wellso> slicslak: problems at work with Dell PC's [10:36] <slicslak> ah [10:36] <wellso> and people wondering why the HD is fucked [10:36] <wellso> lol [10:36] <wellso> you dont wanna max it out [10:37] <|rockinnerd|> can ibm not install an OS on your HD? [10:37] <wellso> im gonna shoot ppl, thanks for the help [10:37] <gdh> wek, good luck [10:37] <gdh> how's your aim? :) [10:37] <slicslak> i couldn't ever see buying a desktop from them, i've got local suppliers that are better. custom build the things, etc. but for servers and laptops they have treated me nicely thus far. [10:37] <wellso> slicslak: 9300 is VERY nice I agree [10:37] <wellso> bye ppl [10:37] <mart> gdh: you should be shot for that! [10:37] <gdh> mart: LOL [10:38] <gdh> Bad grammar is the doorway to bad puns :) [10:39] <|rockinnerd|> can tablet PC's run linux [10:39] <mart> probably, but the handwriting recognition sucks [10:40] <mart> xstroke is about the best you can get [10:43] <mart> |rockinnerd|: perhaps it's possible to do something with Windows and co-source [10:43] <mart> s/co-source/co-linux/ [10:44] <gdh> or an on-screen keyboard? [10:44] <|rockinnerd|> $1628.10 => for a toshiba satelite Tablet [10:45] <gdh> I tend to get on with those much quicker on a PDA than graffiti et al [10:45] <mart> dunno, never really used one [10:46] <gdh> xvkbd - software virtual keyboard for X11 [10:47] <pax> you people are crazy spending that kinda money for laptop when you can run Kubuntu on your $25 toaster [10:48] <mart> I wouldn't even pay $25 for a toaster :) [10:48] <gdh> yum :) toasted dragon :) [10:49] <_kay> Evening :) [10:49] <pax> mart: you can't run kubuntu on a cheap toaster [10:49] <_kay> On a bad laptop you can toast too. [10:49] <pax> heya _kay [10:50] <_kay> I decided against PDA.... I am not a person who likes organization [10:50] <_kay> Don't need addressbook permanently, and I have no schedule for most days... so... not PDA, no toaster. [10:50] <gdh> _kay: me neither, but it's a cool toy with ssh [10:51] <_kay> For that my laptop is Ok :p [10:51] <gdh> and it's at the best price- work pay for it:) [10:52] <gdh> in fact the most useful thing it does for me is TomTom Navigator. [10:52] <mart> anyone on breezy? [10:52] <_kay> I am [10:52] <mart> _kay: where did all the x utilities go, xlsfonts, setxkbmap... [10:53] <_kay> into packages [10:53] <_kay> xkbcomp is e.g. in xfonts-utils now [10:53] <_droid_> ever heard of a work in progress mart? [10:53] <mart> ah, I've found setxkbmap [10:53] <_kay> eh, wrong sorry that was mkfontdir [10:53] <_kay> xkbcomp is in xkbutils [10:53] <_kay> Use packages.ubuntu.com to find which one is which [10:54] <mart> _droid_: yeh, my machines broken a few times, I'm happy with that. Just seems unlikely that stuff would disappear, so thought I'd ask [10:54] <_kay> Not all utils are now installed by x-window-system-core [10:54] <_kay> Probably bugs for at least xkbutils [10:54] <_kay> Breezy works OK, only i18n is broken beyond repair for me now (in KDE) [10:55] <mart> yeah, everything seems to work here except keymaps [10:55] <mart> and I've lost virtual terminals [10:56] <_kay> Which chipset? [10:56] <_kay> The keyboard will come back if you install xkbutils and restart X mayhaps [10:56] <_kay> Depends on how well, some things migrate... [10:56] <mart> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) [10:56] <_kay> Oh, I have that too [10:57] <mart> and you have vt's? [10:57] <_kay> And the same problem too :p [10:57] <mart> downer [10:57] <_kay> No, all blank, always when X is running [10:57] <mart> yeah, me too [10:57] <_kay> I don't use them though. [10:57] <Neo_X_Saibot> how i unlock the root in the kde ? [10:57] <_kay> Pretty long already, after some cvs merges [10:57] <mart> huh? [10:58] <_kay> sudo passwd root [10:58] <_kay> Then set a password [10:58] <_kay> Well, it was one of the first things that was broken.... [11:16] <ray_> yelllow [11:31] <lonelyzora> hi [11:43] <nikkia> gaaah! [11:45] <ray_> i found a neat plugin for firefox that integrates kde style.....looks soooooooo much better [11:45] <mart> nikkia: you've surprised yourself? [11:45] <nikkia> mart, no, just discovered the folly of voice recognition [11:46] <ray_> anybody use anything besides Limewire? [11:46] <mart> :) [11:46] <nikkia> at the most critical part of the map, where i don't trust the AI, and some DH drives past in his chavmobile and the (*&(ing voice recognition recognises the sound as 'move to your sudden death' [11:47] <nikkia> so lo and behold the AI go running into the room that's surrounded by snipers [11:47] <mart> just can't get the staff.... [11:48] <ray_> nikkia: what are you talking about? [11:48] <nikkia> ray, rainbow six 3 [11:49] <ray_> nikkia: ahh.....im into the free games like enemy-territory have you tried that one? [11:49] <nikkia> ray, yes, i have [11:50] <Aapzak> americas army is rather nice [11:50] <ray_> Aapzak: you cant respawn like enemy-territory though i hat having to wait until the game ends [11:50] <nikkia> ray, don't get shot then :P [11:50] <Aapzak> :) [11:50] <ray_> i suck though...lol [11:50] <Aapzak> me too [11:51] <Aapzak> I'm watching all the time :) [11:51] <ray_> plus 2.4 isnt out yet [11:51] <ray_> any idea when 2.4 is coming out by the way? [11:52] <Aapzak> but the quality of the game is higher don't you thinkg? [11:52] <CellarDoor> hi all [11:52] <ray_> no i dont think so....you can do way more in enemy-territory....like air strikes plant mines drive tanks etc [11:53] <CellarDoor> does anyone know how to make gnome apps look better in kde ? [11:53] <Aapzak> allright, isn't E_T not that game that looks like its build 5 years ago? [11:53] <ray_> CellarDoor: im wondering the same thing...if you find out let me know [11:53] <Aapzak> :) [11:53] <CellarDoor> ok ray_ [11:53] <Aapzak> just don't use them [11:53] <Aapzak> :) [11:53] <CellarDoor> heh [11:53] <ray_> Aapzak: et looks just as good a AA [11:54] <mart> I think they naturally suck, because they can't get the font dpi right [11:54] <Aapzak> allright, must be some settings in my config then [11:54] <mart> Aapzak: no, it's a gnome bug, they just don't see it that way [11:54] <ray_> if you could respawn in AA the game would be great [11:55] <Aapzak> there was something about ET which I did not like, dunno what it was. [11:55] <mart> CellarDoor: it is the fonts that look bad/ [11:55] <mart> ? [11:55] <ray_> Aapzak: have you tried newer versions? [11:56] <Aapzak> I don't think so [11:56] <ray_> Aapzak: have you tried Cube? [11:56] <Aapzak> are those binaries, or build by me? [11:56] <Aapzak> no [11:56] <Aapzak> Cube? [11:56] <Aapzak> I need screenshots :) [11:56] <CellarDoor> ah fonts have always looked bad with KDE on kubuntu regardless of what Im using, haven't found out how to fix it [11:56] <ray_> Aapzak: www.cubeengine.com [11:57] <mart> CellarDoor: check that you've got anti-aliasing on, and using something like the bitstream fonts [11:57] <ray_> Aapzak: its very much like quake 3 [11:57] <mart> CellarDoor: that seems to work for most folk [11:57] <CellarDoor> mart, already on, been through this before - no one seems to be able to help [11:58] <ray_> key is...not to use gnome apps [11:58] <ray_> gnome is sooooooooo ugly [11:58] <mart> CellarDoor: sorry, is it just the gnome apps, or do the kde ones also suck? [11:58] <CellarDoor> everything [11:59] <ray_> everything! [11:59] <ray_> kde looks great for me [11:59] <CellarDoor> I have to have my desktop as high rez as I can to try to minimize the uglness of the fonts [11:59] <mart> ray_: make up your mind! [11:59] <Aapzak> ray_: I'm more into games like counterstrike or AA, because I don't like looking at weird creatures [11:59] <Aapzak> (that why I only shave once a week) [11:59] <|rockinnerd|> http://toastytech.com/evil/ieerrors.html [11:59] <ray_> mart: what? [12:00] <mart> [22:58] <mart> CellarDoor: sorry, is it just the gnome apps, or do the kde ones also suck? [12:00] <mart> [22:58] <ray_> everything! [12:00] <mart> [22:59] <ray_> kde looks great for me [12:00] <ray_> mart: dude your lost.... [12:00] <mart> so, does everything suck, or does kde look ok? [12:00] <CellarDoor> kde looks ok, the fonts suck [12:01] <Aapzak> ow shoot, can't close Channel List tab anymore, using Konversation [12:01] <ray_> mart: i never said i had problems with kde's look [12:01] <ray_> mart: so try and read before you bash [12:01] <mart> ray_: were you talking in the other thread? [12:01] <ray_> mart: nope [12:02] <mart> ray_: what did you mean by "everything" when I asked when it was gnome only or kde and gnome? [12:02] <mart> you're right, you've totally lost me... [12:02] <ray_> mart: IT WASNT EVEN ME YOU WERE ASKING THAT! CellerDoor is the one with the problem [12:03] <CellarDoor> [07:58] <mart> CellarDoor: sorry, is it just the gnome apps, or do the kde ones also suck? [12:03] <CellarDoor> [07:58] <CellarDoor> everything [12:03] <CellarDoor> [07:58] <ray_> everything! [12:03] <CellarDoor> [07:58] <ray_> kde looks great for me [12:03] <mart> It's the "<ray_> everything!" bit I didn't get, [12:03] <mart> nm, it's not worth shouting about.... [12:03] <CellarDoor> I also can't get UT2004 to install [12:04] <ray_> CellarDoor said everything looked bad and i said "everything!" because i was shocked. you guys ever take an english class? [12:05] <ray_> thats what you call an exclamation point [12:05] <ray_> ooooooooo [12:05] <ray_> its pointless now [12:05] <ray_> just a misunderstanding is all [12:05] <mart> ray_: please calm down [12:05] <ray_> im sorry guys

ubuntu-chat

2024-05-13T23:20:40.828541

2005-08-08-#kubuntu-devel

[12:44] <allee> what's the trick to get hoary pbuilder in hoary running? [12:44] <allee> E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes [12:44] <allee> pbuilder complains about unauthenticated pkgs! :( [12:45] <allee> heh, sarge build runs smoothly in hoary :) [01:47] <allee> found it: pbuild for hoary running (googled with wrong words before) [11:28] <pef> hello [11:49] <JRe> hi pef [03:09] <author> hello [03:09] <Riddell> hello author [03:09] <OculusAquilae> hi author [03:15] <author> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27336 <- Any feedback? [03:18] <author> /suggestions? [03:21] <OculusAquilae> author: i think inaktive windows don't behave as under suse [03:22] <author> they has an icon in inactive mode? [03:23] <OculusAquilae> i'm booting suse at the moment to look at the styles there :-) [03:24] <author> thanks ;) [03:26] <OculusAquilae> author, no the inaktive are ok, but suse has made other roundings [03:26] <author> screenshot? [03:29] <OculusAquilae> ah, they are ok, i was diverted because of the colour,but after changing it its ok [03:29] <author> puh ;) not more work, hehe [03:30] <author> because at moment i translate http://kudos.berlios.de/ for german website [03:30] <OculusAquilae> nice work :-) [03:30] <author> thanks [03:31] <OculusAquilae> author: would be nice (i mean this translation) [03:32] <author> yes its important for me to give kubuntu that thinks what is gave to me :D [03:33] <OculusAquilae> yes kubuntu is a great distro, but it is even better when i look at breezy [03:34] <author> mhm we will see.. it can be better?? ;) [03:34] <OculusAquilae> :-) [03:34] <OculusAquilae> have you read the interview with Riddell? [03:34] <author> no [03:35] <author> but interrestet.. (link?) [03:35] <author> interested, i mean [03:35] <author> (its right so=) interested? [03:35] <author> where is the link to the interview? [03:36] <OculusAquilae> i think there is a link from dot.kde.org, but i can't acces to this page atm [03:37] <author> my friend can find it.. (google :P ) [03:37] <OculusAquilae> :-) [03:38] <author> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11423 [03:38] <OculusAquilae> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050801#interview - for all who can't use google [03:38] <author> :D [03:39] <author> i will translate it for german community [03:39] <author> ;) [03:39] <OculusAquilae> :-) [03:51] <author> wow thanks for the link of the interwiev [03:51] <OculusAquilae> np [03:52] <author> did you now if the dev team need help to translate the new "KControl for Kubuntu" ? [03:53] <OculusAquilae> i don't know if its time for a translation of it, because there could be changes on the User interface [03:54] <OculusAquilae> but we haven't got a translation for katapult, yet, too [03:55] <author> mhm i will download a Daily Build and install.. [03:55] <OculusAquilae> of breezy or of katapult? [03:55] <author> breezy [03:55] <author> are in this cd the new files? [03:55] <OculusAquilae> maybe that breezy don't work because of x [03:55] <author> not x? [03:56] <OculusAquilae> the x maintainers have some problems, but i don't know why [03:56] <author> mhm [03:56] <author> are the new thinks in this release? [03:57] <OculusAquilae> i think so [03:57] <author> i can translate the sources and riddel can use my translation for a new build [03:57] <OculusAquilae> have you experience in translating software, author? [03:58] <author> mhm realy? no, but i think its no problem for me [03:59] <author> abytime its allredy the first ;) [03:59] <OculusAquilae> and i think there are string changes allowed in breezy, that you shouldn't begin to translate, but i'm sure that they can need your help, when breezy is string freezed [03:59] <author> mhm for best i wish variables :D [04:05] <OculusAquilae> you can find an introduction in translation on the i18n page of kde http://i18n.kde.org/translation-howto/ [04:06] <author> thx i know i has read this [06:40] <dombo> Hi, I've installed Kubuntu 5.04 for a friend but can't seem to get the printer work properly [06:40] <dombo> It's extremely slow [06:41] <dombo> The print will come out alright finally but one line takes about 90 seconds. [06:41] <dombo> I've tried several filters to no avail. [06:42] <dombo> I've also searched the net and found a bug on Debian's list which described the exact same problem. [06:43] <dombo> But no real solutions [06:43] <dombo> Anybody here with positive or negative experience with a parallel printer ? [06:44] <dombo> This is a DeskJet 500 (old but works well under Windows (ofcourse :( ) [06:45] <dombo> Also updated Kubuntu to the latest pakkackes [06:45] <dombo> (should read 'packages') [06:46] <dombo> Also tried to fiddle with the Bios settings of the printerport. No go. [06:47] <MarcelKaeming> whats slowly? you printer or kubuntu? [06:47] <dombo> a 'cat /etc/hosts > /dev/lp0 comes out ok. although staircased. [06:47] <MarcelKaeming> and for support goto #kubuntu [06:48] <MarcelKaeming> ;) [06:48] <MarcelKaeming> or question in the ubuntulinux.org forum [06:49] <dombo> The prining is slow. Like I said, about one line per minute. [06:50] <dombo> Seems to me this is a bug in Kubuntu. Shouldn't that go here ? [06:50] <dombo> Also tried an older version of Knoppix which printed the testpage just fine [06:53] <MarcelKaeming> "Seems to me this is a bug in Kubuntu. Shouldn't that go here ?"??? [06:53] <MarcelKaeming> your printer driver is a kubuntu bug? comon! [06:53] <MarcelKaeming> sry but must go [06:54] <dombo> thnxs [06:54] <Riddell> dombo: you could try gnome-cups-setup to see if it is a problem with KDE or with CUPS in general [06:56] <dombo> Can I run that in KDE ? [06:59] <Riddell> you can [09:34] <author> wb [09:35] <dombo> Riddell: ok, I'll give it a shot when I'm at it. [09:35] <dombo> But I have a feeling it has more to do with timing of a driver, parallel or lp or such.

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